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---Logopened Sat Aug 18 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<freeflyer57>Откройте рот!
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00:00<freeflyer57>все русские здесь?
00:02<jakeriver>hmm... english please?
00:02<ricky>If you're looking for people by language, you might want to try -ru or -de.
00:02<freeflyer57>yeah i know
00:03<freeflyer57>seeing if anyone is here
00:03<freeflyer57>how do i use -ru or -de
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00:04<ricky>freeflyer57: /j #debian-ru or #debian-de
00:04<freeflyer57>see ya
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00:11<sentius>any command line guru around
00:11<bomb_>Sorry,I get a wrong channel.
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00:12<sentius>I have installed a base system, no x, and i only have a small display area.
00:12<sentius>The monitor is larger than the actual display area
00:12<sentius>anyone have an idea how to fix this without installing x
00:14<klys>sentius: what resolution? type `fbset'
00:16<tcsetattr>isn't it easier to adjust the monitor?
00:16<klys>sentius: if it's 1024x768 or 1152x864 I can help you with the font. are you running an LCD display?
00:17<sentius>i'll have to power it up,
00:17<sentius>its an old laptop
00:17<sentius>so yes, its an LCD display
00:19<klys>what program has a display area, just tty1 you mean?
00:20<sentius>ive only installed a base system. The entire OS runs in a small area, center area of the screen
00:20<sentius>no x is installed, so the entire command line
00:20<sentius>so i suppose tty1
00:21<klys>oh, it's the fb resolution, specify it at boot, video=vesa vga=???
00:22<klys>what resolution and depth do you want to boot with?
00:22<sentius>when i change /etc/lilo.cong i end up getting an error message and it still has the same area
00:22<sentius>minimal to get it working
00:23<sentius>ive tried the different vga codes and they change the resolution, but not the display size
00:23<klys>does your kernel have vesafb enabled? does your video bios support VESA 2.0 ? lspci -vvv | grep ideo
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00:24<sentius>unfortunately i'm gonna have to check it later. I left the damn power cable in the car.
00:25<sentius>if not, what would be your suggestion
00:25<klys>video=vesafb vga=0x???
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00:26<sentius>i know in lilo.conf its currently set to video=vesa vga=.......
00:26<sentius>normal at first, not its changed
00:26<klys>if you can tell what card you're using, use a framebuffer that supports it
00:26<sentius>trident 9320
00:27<klys>nothing supports it.
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00:28<klys>x11 used to
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00:28<sentius>trident cyber 9320 (generic)
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00:36<Callahad>Can anyone suggest an awesome console-based/-centric note manager? I'm essentially looking for Tomboy: Ncurses Edition.
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00:39<k00kla>етсь кто?
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00:39<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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00:46<dpkg>In the XFree86 4.0.1 packages, mkfontdir is contained in the xutils package. This is explained in the descriptions of the X font packages (which you should read). See also the debian-x archives.
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01:00<Visnapuu>its me again
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01:05<Visnapuu>I used modconf do activate zd1211 drivers (+ on the right side of the name). But it still doesent show that i have network card installed. Like it isn't dectected or loaded. Do i need some other modules or packages
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01:06<tcsetattr>does lsmod show the zd1211?
01:08<Visnapuu>i dont know. I hawe to check. I use dualboot and use windows for network now. I'll go check it now
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01:09<dr4ke>i have just installed debian 3.1
01:10<dr4ke>the installation process has worked fine
01:10<dr4ke>i have managed to partition my drives and install the bootloader (GRUB).
01:10<dr4ke>when i boot my pc, debian loads into cui rather than gui.
01:10<dr4ke>i am confuses about this part
01:10<dr4ke>can you help me?
01:11<tcsetattr>why did you just install Debian 3.1 when 4.0 has been out for like a year?
01:12<tcsetattr>well, a few months at least :)
01:12<dr4ke>my pc works is supposed to be compatible with debian 3.1
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01:13<dr4ke>any idea how to go on with the cui thingy?
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01:18<neoport0>i was wondering when you watch youtube and download stuff
01:18<neoport0>were do the temps go to
01:18<neoport0>so i may delet them
01:18<Metalqga>dr4ke have you tried startx?
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01:19<seanius>neoport0: usually whatever your profile sets TMPDIR to, or otherwise /tmp
01:19<Metalqga>maybe you've only installed the base system and not the desktop option
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01:21<neoport0>can i delet all in /tmp directory
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01:21<Visnapuu>i checked lsmod ZD1211rw was used by 0, what does it mean
01:22<tcsetattr>that doesn't mean anything. if it's in the list, the module is loaded
01:23<Visnapuu>then why i cant see any network possipility at network setiings
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01:24<seanius>neoport0: usually yes
01:24<sigp239>Hi Debian
01:25<neoport0>ok it has gconfd-neoport0 gconfd-root gnomebaker neoprt0 orbit neoport an other files there
01:25<klys>has anyone here successfully installed a font in X? I'm trying to work with a .bdf font in Xorg
01:26<neoport0>can i delte them all
01:27<seanius>neoport0: some of the stuff might be in use by other programs like gnome
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01:27<valdyn>neoport0: why would you think that flash puts files there?
01:27<paulliu>How to emulate hppa machines?? Any ideas??
01:27<neoport0>becuse i know they put them in windows temp
01:27<neoport0>that is why im guesssing
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01:28<valdyn>i didnt think there's a temp file involved at all when watching youtube
01:28<Visnapuu>why i can't connect to network if zd1211rw module is loaded, i shold see possipiliti to connect in network settings but i cant (and i'm not blind), do i need to install some backages (i hawe currently installed only what is installed at setup)
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01:29<seanius>neoport0: actually it probably puts any fetched files in the firefox cache dir
01:29<klys>the font is in /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi and I did mkfontdir -- /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi; it shows up in fonts.dir as -freetype-footlight_mt_light-medium-r-normal--16-160-100-100-m-114-iso8859-1
01:29<Visnapuu>please help
01:29<valdyn>neoport0: its a file named like /tmp/FlashaUewDy
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01:30<valdyn>neoport0: and its deleted once you leave the page
01:30<seanius>movies and other downloaded files go in tmp, but flash is probably in .mozilla/firefox/something/Cache
01:31<neoport0>o so it automaticly delets flash?
01:31<seanius>Visnapuu: when you load the module, does anything show up in the dmesg output?
01:31<neoport0>so i dont have to worrie about it
01:31<valdyn>neoport0: more like you should file a bug report for every app that does not properly clean up when quit
01:31<valdyn>neoport0: and right.
01:33<Visnapuu>what do you mean dmesg output, (i'm beginner)
01:33<valdyn>Visnapuu: why would you manually load a network card driver?
01:33<neoport0>ok now what about user logs and stuff
01:33<neoport0>that is in the temp as reguler files right
01:33<valdyn>neoport0: which logs?
01:34<Visnapuu>i do not load it manually
01:34<valdyn>neoport0: /tmp is not for logs
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01:35<valdyn>neoport0: /tmp is for applications temporary files. Those apps should clean up when shut down
01:35<Visnapuu>debian seems to lad it himself
01:35<Visnapuu>load it himself
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01:35<neoport0>ok im sorry for asking dumb questions
01:35<valdyn>Visnapuu: ok, great, 'ifconfig -a' does not list it?
01:35<neoport0>but do i have to do like a defrag or hd scann
01:35<neoport0>in linux also
01:36<valdyn>neoport0: no, you dont have to. You can do it. It's hardly ever useful
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01:36<Visnapuu>i don't know i hawe to check that, but if it doesent what then
01:36<valdyn>neoport0: you should set up your system in a way that at the very least 5% or as much as your largest file needs is free on each partition
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01:37<valdyn>neoport0: as long as you do that, fragmentation should never be a significant issue
01:37<neoport0>ty very much guys
01:37<valdyn>neoport0: ext3 will even automagically enforce that behaviour so, nothing at all to worry
01:38<valdyn>neoport0: like, run df and add up numbers. You will notice that 100% is reached before the disk is near full ( 10% reserved i think )
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01:39<valdyn>neoport0: fragmentation is often just a business on windows. Much less necessary than defrag vendors want you believe..
01:40<Visnapuu>i'll check and come back in couple of hours i cant' sooner bye
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01:43<neoport0>ok ty all for your help
01:44<neoport0>ty valdyn
01:44<neoport0>very much
01:44<neoport0>night gys
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01:54<bcochofel>Need some help with dund and my bluetooth device. I have /etc/ppp/peers/dun and start dund --listen call dun
01:55<jovans>can i use the kde theme manager to change greetor or the config file directly?
01:55<bcochofel>But I keep getting Hangup (SIGHUP), Modem hangup
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02:02<zms>does Debian 4.0 DVD have libata drivers?
02:02<valdyn>zms: sure
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02:02<valdyn>zms: doubt you are asking the right question
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02:03<zms>valdyn: you are right. :) I am framing right one with details.
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02:07<zms>System: Core 2 Duo on Intel DG33FB with 2gb DDr2 667 MHz with 2x320GB SATA HDD and SATA DVD Drive. Problem: The boot process stops at this message "ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0" which moves forward if I pass "acpi=off" but again gets stuck when it says that it could not recognize CD drive. Manual selection of various drives does not help.
02:07<valdyn>zms: controller is set to ahci mode in bios?
02:08<Starkonovich>Probably a BIOS setting. I've seen it called "compatibility mode" on some BIOS.
02:08<valdyn>zms: there's a raid mode and something else, pick the 'something else'. whatever it is
02:09<valdyn>zms: then you might need a newer installer still, g33 is newer than 2.6.18 ( which is etch's kernel )
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02:09<valdyn>zms: 2.6.21 at least supports it defenitely, its what im running
02:09<zms>checking for ahci settings in bios.
02:10<zms>valdyn: how do I get that? using latest netinst image?
02:10<Requiem>2.6.21 will do it, had the same issue with the G33
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02:10<valdyn>!sarge 2.6.20
02:10<dpkg>well, sarge 2.6.20 is
02:10<Requiem>seen some people with Ubuntu having problems too, so 2.6.20 won't work either
02:10<valdyn>zms: that site ^^ has a new etch installer too
02:10<brozz87>hello guest! :)
02:10<valdyn>right, g33 just started shipping few months ago
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02:11<Requiem>Now if I could just find a site like that with a 2.6.21 debian-KDE disc
02:11<valdyn>Requiem: why care? 'aptitude install kde' does it too..
02:11<Requiem>No it doesn't...
02:12<Requiem>that gets me a black screen
02:12<Requiem>possibly a issue with the xorg version
02:12<valdyn>Requiem: yes, g33 on board gfx is yet badly supported
02:12<Requiem>can't find the exact package that covers the intel graphics chipsets though, so I can't just update that package
02:13<valdyn>Requiem: xserver-xorg-video-intel
02:13<valdyn>Requiem: and also mesa might need updating, and defenitely does need updating for glx support
02:13<Requiem>valdyn: Oh, it get's better, when I received my MB, it said that I had the newer x3000 graphics, not the g33 ones
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02:14<zms>valdyn: Thanks! I think this is _exactly_ what I needed.
02:14<zms>btw, should I expect any other issues with g33 board?
02:14<valdyn>zms: that installer might need backports from too
02:14<valdyn>zms: yes, gfx related issues
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02:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
02:15<zms>valdyn: that is fine. I will install mostly from DVDs and then dist-upgrade to sid
02:15<Requiem>stable doesn't even *have* that package
02:15<Requiem>no wonder I had issues.
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02:15<valdyn>zms: im running sid with a git snapshot of mesa so uh, i dont know much about getting a stable system with that g33
02:16<Requiem>zms: we can find out together
02:16<valdyn>Requiem: its the modesetting branch of i810, with a new name
02:16<zms>Requiem: Sounds great!
02:16<Requiem>ah, that explains some of my search resuts
02:16<valdyn>Requiem: ..which is in etch i guess, but an older version
02:16<Requiem>anyway, I'll have to try and backport that
02:17<Requiem>yeah, the unstable is just barely new enough to support the (x)3000 series for intel onboard
02:17<valdyn>still i cannot get compiz to run properly, havent figured that one out.
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02:18<valdyn>sid's mesa with g33 gfx will just crash on 'glxinfo' on my system
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02:18<dpkg>well, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check
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02:20<berat>pls check this one
02:20<berat>what is the problem
02:20<zms>valdyn, Starkonovich: turning off AHCI (switching to IDE) also does not help. I think, as suggested by valdyn, backported installer is the way to go
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02:21<valdyn>zms: right
02:21<valdyn>zms: following issues someone else had you might aswell use a sid installer..
02:21<valdyn>zms: ymmv
02:22<zms>valdyn: sid installer?
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02:23<berat>hey hey hey
02:24<valdyn>zms: uh, or lenny:
02:24<Starkonovich>berat: What am I looking at?
02:24<valdyn>zms: that's your 2nd option, whatever works..
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02:24<berat>look at
02:24<berat>what is the problem of that
02:26<zms>valdyn: I checked here
02:26<brozz87>sorry but AIGLX can run with nv driver ?
02:26<zms>valdyn: but it's a .deb package. I would need a .iso. Is there one?
02:26<J-roen>Hi, I've got a question about Postfix. I have 3 IP adresses placed on my server and Postfix automatically takes the "last" one as hostname: "Recieved: from ... ( [123.456.789.0])" How can I change this to another IP address?
02:26<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
02:26<valdyn>zms: ^^^
02:27<zms>as usual.. thanks valdyn. :)
02:27<Starkonovich>berat: I really have no clue.
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02:30<J-roen>Hi, I've got a question about Postfix. I have 3 IP adresses placed on my server and Postfix automatically takes the "last" one as hostname: "Recieved: from ... ( [123.456.789.0])" How can I change this to another IP address?
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02:32<Starkonovich>berat: Maybe check out bug 422979. That's the extent of my Google-foo.
02:33<berat>i am lookin
02:33<Starkonovich>422989 is your exact message, but the root cause is apparently 422979.
02:33<Starkonovich>I'll let you read through the rest.
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02:34<Requiem>If I got a second network card for this machine, in order to network with another machine, would I need a crossover cable/hub?
02:35<sigp239>why the fuck is my time fucked up in debian but not in windows
02:35<sigp239>and why the fuck does xchat underline debian as a misspelling"?
02:35<Requiem>because you have to capitalize it
02:35<valdyn>sigp239: do you think that 'fucked' is a useful description for anyone to fix it?
02:35<Requiem>and Debian handles time zones kinda funky
02:36<sigp239>valdyn: yes I do
02:36<sigp239>it's a very apt description
02:36<Requiem>set your time zone in debian to GDT (no daylight savings) and that should fix it
02:36<valdyn>!tell sigp239 -about smart questions
02:36<Requiem>er, GMT
02:36<Starkonovich>Requiem: For direct connect you'd need a cross-over cable. Or you could use a hub and normal cables.
02:36<Requiem>Ah, thought so
02:37<Requiem>may as well go buy that router I've been eyeing.
02:37<sigp239>!tell valdyn about shut the fuck up with your condescending smart-ass high-horse mother-fucking ass
02:37<Requiem>now where was that utility for loading Linksys routers with linux...
02:37<J-roen>Hi, does anybody know where I can get support for Postfix?
02:37<valdyn>J-roen: tried #postfix ?
02:37<sigp239>Requiem: How do I set my time zone to GDT?
02:38<sigp239>and why the fuck does Debian think my time is 01:38, when it is actually 16:38.
02:38<sigp239>and Windows on this same PC thinks my time is (correctly) 16:38
02:38<Requiem>right click on the clock, hit adjust date & time, enter your root password, then set the timezone to london
02:39<J-roen>valdyn: I did now, but there's only one user there...
02:39<Requiem>because windows changes theBIOS to match the time it thinks it is
02:39<sigp239>Requiem: Why the fuck would I change my time to LONDON"???????????????????????
02:39<Requiem>while debian avoids touching the clock, cause other OSes might be using it
02:40<Requiem>cause London is GMT....
02:40<Requiem>actually, wait...
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02:42<Requiem>how the heck do you get a no daylight savings thing on here?
02:42<valdyn>sigp239: unix traditionally has the h/w clock set to utc, windows to local time, debian can use both, edit /etc/default/rcS
02:42<Requiem>He needs to set it up so it displays the time that's in the BIOS directly
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02:42<Requiem>oh, better fix, n/m
02:42<sigp239>i seriously do not give a fuck
02:42<sigp239>i want my god damn time
02:42<sigp239>to be right
02:42<sigp239>why the fuck
02:43<valdyn>!ops sigp239
02:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: sigp239
02:43<sigp239>does windows have the right time
02:43<sigp239>but debian does not????????
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02:43<irwiss>Because you stink
02:43<Requiem>because Windows fracks up the BIOS clock
02:44<Requiem>I said that already
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02:44<J-roen>Hi, how can I get the client IP address of my Debian machine?
02:44<Requiem>ifconfig -a
02:44<Requiem>that'll only get you the LAN ip addy I think
02:44<Starkonovich>ifconfig by itself will also work.
02:44<Requiem>for the internet IP addy, type /whois J-roen
02:44<sigp239>Requiem: Please, I promise I am an intelligent and understanding person, yet I still do not understand.
02:44<Starkonovich>Displays information like ipconfig under Windows if that's what you're used to.
02:45<J-roen>Yeah, I see. My Postfix sends mail from my THIRD IP address, but I want to send it from my FIRST...
02:45<sigp239>Can you PLEASE explain to me why my clock is WRONG in DEBIAN yet RIGHT in WINDOWS?@!?!?!?!?!?
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02:45<Requiem>Windows sets the BIOS clock to be local time, while debian, by default, sets it to be GMT, then adjusts according to timezone
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02:45<Starkonovich>J-roen: Do both NICs on your box route to the internet?
02:46<J-roen>Starkonovich: How can I check that? :$
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02:46<Requiem>ping google eth0?
02:46<paulliu>sigp239, install ntpdate....
02:46<sigp239>Requiem: Can you break that statement down into more understandable language? What is "BIOS clock" and what is "local time" and what is "GMT" and what is "timezone"??????????
02:46<Starkonovich>When you run ifconfig, do all IPs also list a Gateway IP?
02:46<valdyn>paulliu: just installing ntpdate would fuck his windows time
02:46<J-roen>They all have an inet addr, yes.
02:47<paulliu>valdyn, and that's the problem of Windows
02:47<valdyn>paulliu: umm
02:47<J-roen>And also all have a mask.
02:47<Starkonovich>J-roen: What about a address labeled Gateway?
02:47<J-roen>I don't see that in any of my IP addresses.
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02:48<valdyn>J-roen: read the output of 'route' to see how packages are routed
02:48<valdyn>J-roen: or route -n
02:48<sigp239>WHY IS IT THAT WINDOWS IS RIGHT AND DEBIAN IS WRONG????????????????????????????????????????????????
02:48<Requiem>Local time=the time w\here you are now
02:48<paulliu>sigp239, no, Windows is wrong and Debian is right..
02:49<paulliu>sigp239, install ntpdate and reboot, you'll find it..
02:49<Requiem>GMT=the official time of planet earth (usually centered in england or france, depending on if daylight savings is in effect)
02:49<tcsetattr>why waste time arguing with this luser who doesn't know what a time zone is?
02:49<Requiem>BIOS time=the time your hardware clock has
02:49<valdyn>sigp239: stop using caps, stop offending people, type '/lastlog rcS' for the info you need
02:49<J-roen>valdyn, Starkonovich: In route, there are four lines: the first is ending with ".0" and the others are "default".
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02:50<J-roen>valdyn, Starkonovich: All have Iface "eth0"
02:50<valdyn>J-roen: only the first 'default' route is ever used
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02:50<J-roen>But that doesn't matter, because they're the same.
02:50<sigp239>paulliu: Why is Windows wrong and Debian is right when I look at my clock here and I see otherwise? What is ntpdate and why is it not installed by default in Debian Stable and why should I install it now??
02:51<valdyn>J-roen: right, the IP follows from that routing table
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02:51<paulliu>sigp239, ntpdate corrects your time by NTP (Time) server...
02:52<sigp239>paulliu: I do not understand. Please break it down understandably. In other words, please justify why a certain package needs to be installed in order to make my time correct. Thank you very much. Respectfully, sigp2349.
02:52<J-roen>valdyn: But I have three IP adresses placed on my machine - let's say (eth0), (eth0:1) and (eth0:2) - and is used by Postfix. Why is that?
02:53<valdyn>J-roen: is suppose postix is listening on all 3
02:53<gsimmons>J-roen: Can you pastebin your /etc/postfix/ file?
02:54<valdyn>J-roen: there should be a bind or listen settings in the postix config - someone who knows postix can tell
02:54<Requiem>!lastlog rc5
02:54<valdyn>Requiem: / and S, not 5 or !
02:55<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn: I'll paste my via, hold on.
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02:55<sigp239>paulliu: Maybe I need to go to another support channel?
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02:56<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn:
02:56<Requiem>sigp239: I have the answer
02:56<paulliu>sigp239, I don't think so.. But the answer is already there...
02:56<Requiem>type: nano /etc/default/rcS
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02:56<Requiem>then , where it says UTC=yes, change it to UTC=no
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02:57<gsimmons>J-roen: What is stated within /etc/mailname?
02:57<Requiem>that will fix the problem after a reboot
02:57<J-roen>gsimmons: My domain name (i.e.
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02:59<tcsetattr>you know, if we did make ntpdate part of the base system, and run it at the earliest opportunity during the installer, and store the value to the hwclock immediately... then future morons in the style of sigp239 would see who has the correct time :)
02:59<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn, Starkonovich: Thanks for your help. I've got the solution.
02:59<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn, Starkonovich: The setting smtp_bind_address fixed it.
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03:00<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn, Starkonovich: I had to specify the IP address which I wanted to use over there.
03:00<Starkonovich>J-roen: Great!
03:01<J-roen>gsimmons, valdyn, Starkonovich: And now that I also fixed myhostname, my recipients won't return "<localhost>: Helo command rejected: You are not me" to me anymore =).
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03:02<sigp239>tcsetattr: "future morons" Please, sir. Please. I swear I have the purest intentions. Explain to me how I would otherwise make a complaint. ?
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03:03<tcsetattr>well, if you hadn't been an argumentative twit, you might have tried _setting_ the clock before bitching about it being wrong.
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03:03<Nemoder>hm ntpdate is great until you try using it when you're net is down and then it takes forever for your system to boot while you wait for it to time out
03:03<Starkonovich>complaint??? about the free software that you are free to modify, or about the free support provided by people during their free time?
03:03<tcsetattr>and if you hadn't been incurably stupid you would notice that whichever operating system set the clock most recently is the one that is displaying the correct time.
03:04<tcsetattr>and then if you hadn't been a troll, you might otherwise have not used an insulting tone to describe your problem from the moment you entered
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03:07<dondelelcaro>folks, please relax. If you aren't interested in helping a person, /ignore them.
03:07<dondelelcaro>going on about it is counter-productive.
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03:07<tcsetattr>oh this fool was flaming from his first utterance, giving back a little of the same is just good fun
03:08<dondelelcaro>stooping to someone's level isn't particularly elevating
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03:08<Starkonovich>I need that on a t-shirt :)
03:09<tcsetattr>why didn't the idiots who designed the BIOS clock include a time zone specification anyway? if only someone had written "the time stored in these registers shall be in GMT" 30 years ago...
03:09<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: there's no reason for the bios to care about a timezone
03:09<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: it's time should always be in GMT
03:10<tcsetattr>it seems obvious to people who think, but then there are those other kinds of people...
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03:10<dondelelcaro>the problem is operating systems which were originally "designed" as single user systems and as such have fundamental misconceptions about how time works
03:12<tcsetattr>but did msdog do it wrong because the hardware manual said "put GMT here" and they disobeyed, or because the hardware manual failed to specify?
03:13<tcsetattr>the designer of the clock chip should have specified the correct interpretation of data in there
03:13<tcsetattr>just like (I assume) they specified the 1980 epoch?
03:13<dondelelcaro>it's really because it doesn't matter to the hardware
03:14<dondelelcaro>all the hardware does is increment a memory location, and allow it to be munged. People new ages ago how to handle this sort of thing correctly
03:14<tcsetattr>how _was_ the 1980 epoch selected? (that is the epoch in BIOS right?)
03:14<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: that's hardware dependent, actually
03:15<tcsetattr>then how does any OS translate values if the epoch is unknown?
03:15<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: there are standard values for different architectures
03:16<tcsetattr>uh, when I say "BIOS" I think I'm limiting the arch to IBMPC descendants... what other arch calls their firmware "BIOS"?
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03:17<dondelelcaro>well, I'm talking about hardware clocks in general
03:17<tcsetattr>although actually... I did experience a painful clock reset (I booted into 1970) after switching from an arch/ppc kernel to an arch/powerpc kernel
03:17<tcsetattr>I was talking before about the IBMPC lameness specifically. Somehow somewhere the 1980 epoch was generally agreed upon, but the use of GMT wasn't.
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03:18<Starkonovich>Ugh, ok, I'm making no progress on this one and my Google-foo isn't strong enough.
03:18<dondelelcaro>Starkonovich: what's the problem?
03:18<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: it's not that it was really agreed upon, but it's what the original bios used
03:18<Starkonovich>I have a PC with a Promise Fasttrack 378 onboard raid card. I think it's one of those weak ones driven by the BIOS.
03:19<dondelelcaro>Starkonovich: sounds like a fakeraid card
03:19<Starkonovich>Kernel 2.6.18-5-686 currently and Grub installed to the MBR.
03:19<Starkonovich>It is fakeraid for sure.
03:19<Starkonovich>If it's disabled in the BIOS the systems boots fine.
03:19<sigp239>paulliu: I do not understand. Please break it down understandably. In other words, please justify why a certain package needs to be installed in order to make my time correct. Thank you very much. Respectfully, sigp2349.
03:19<Starkonovich>If it's enabled, when Grub should load, I just get a blinking cursor.
03:20<Starkonovich>Oh, there are two drives on the promise card that are mirrored.
03:20<paulliu>sigp239, software clock is not accurate, so I use NTP server to adjust my time, that's all...
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03:20<tcsetattr>sigp239, the condensed answer is that Microsoft and the rest of the world do not agree on how to correctly use the clock that is built into your PC.
03:20<tcsetattr>oh darn.
03:21<tcsetattr>he left, how sad for us all.
03:21<Starkonovich>I've read about people getting this config to work, but they never had problems getting Grub to load :p
03:22<tcsetattr>proposal for lenny. liet's get ntpdate into the installer, make it write UTC to BIOS before the first reboot, and let the lusers have the wrong time in windoze from now on
03:22<tcsetattr>and no asking questions about it either, just do it, we're right and they're wrong
03:23<cahoot>the reaction would be: Linux destroyed my clock
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03:24<Starkonovich>Did I stump you guys too? :p
03:24<tcsetattr>actually the reaction, based on the guy who just left, is "whichever OS is not displaying the correct time as judged by my wall clock must be the one to blame"
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03:26<tcsetattr>I thought the answer on fakeraid was don't use it
03:26<dondelelcaro>Starkonovich: the usual way you get it to work is to use the fakeraid as a glorified controller.
03:26<Starkonovich>You mean kill the mirror and software raid it?
03:27<Starkonovich>Seems easy enough. The BIOS has an option to disable raid and term them into standard ports. I haven't tried that out yet, but I will.
03:27<dondelelcaro>the problem that you're seeing is that grub isn't actually starting
03:27<paulliu>Starkonovich, any other boot loader starts?? NTLDR? lilo?
03:28<dondelelcaro>usually that means that either the MBR isn't being run, or grub can't find the next stage
03:28<Starkonovich>Windows worked fine with the configuration, so yes to NTLDR.
03:28<Starkonovich>I seem to remember that LILO had the same or similar problem.
03:30<paulliu>Starkonovich, maybe you can install grub on boot partitions and use NTLDR (on MBR) to load it...
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03:32<Starkonovich>I think going software raid is the more sure way to go. Thanks guys.
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03:32<Starkonovich>However, that will have to wait until morning, because I am bloody tired. :)
03:33<Starkonovich>G'night all.
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03:36<Requiem>I have a 4.1 GB file called xsession errors...
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03:36<tcsetattr>I bet you use GNOME
03:38<Requiem>hope I didn't need that file
03:38<tcsetattr>it's usually GNOME (and GTK generally) that spews those apocalyptic amounts of error messages
03:38<tcsetattr>oh really? KDE too huh
03:39<Requiem>I couldn't even read the error log because it waas writing so fast I kept getting things about the file having changed
03:39<tcsetattr>if you rm'ed it while it's still active, I hope you realize it hasn't actually freed up the space.
03:39<Requiem>the bizzare thing is, nothing is wrong with my GUI...
03:39<tcsetattr>yeah, GNOME people (and KDE too apparently) don't see what's wrong with writing a few hundred megs per day of error messages when nothing is actually wrong
03:40<simonrvn>anyone know the full URL to the security.d.o/ pool dir?
03:40<Requiem>so how do I get that space back?
03:40<simonrvn>i want to compare mod dates of the Packages files
03:41<tcsetattr>you could restart your X session which closes the file and begins a new one, or you could find a reference to it in /proc/*/fd/* and truncate it
03:41<simonrvn>oh nm, i'll fetch it from apt-cache show ;)
03:41<Requiem>so basically I get the space back next time I reboot?
03:41<peterS>tcsetattr, the real problem is that libgtk puts out these things that really are errors, but app writers apparently work around them rather than actually fix them. this is, at least, what I gather
03:41<tcsetattr>simonrvn, apt-get --print-uris is also nice
03:42<simonrvn>mm, yes, forgot about that, thanks
03:42<peterS>my theory is that apps use "does such-and-such API call fail?" as a substitute for "is this pointer NULL?"
03:43<peterS>maybe the idea is to kill two birds with one stone, since you'd still have to check the API call for failure even if you already verified that the pointer isn't NULL
03:43<peterS>but the API call, for debugging purposes, helpfully points out that you did in fact pass a null pointer to it ... and thus the megabytes of .xsession-errors
03:44<simonrvn>ah, got it :)
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03:44<simonrvn>yay :)
03:45<tcsetattr>gdm and kdm should hook up the session's stderr to something that displays the messages in a window. (users of xdm or startx can be assumed smart enough to actually read .xsession-errors before it becomes a disk hog)
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03:47<Requiem>every... single... null pointer?
03:47<simonrvn>ok, so they are doing testing/security .... hmmm
03:47<tcsetattr>mknod errors p ; xargs -d \\n xmessage < p & exec 2>errors
03:47<Requiem>I've seen one java app throw hundreds of those...
03:47<tcsetattr>uh, I meant < errors
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03:48<Requiem>(which is kinda sad, cause avoiding null pointers in Java is not exactly hard...)
03:48<simonrvn>i should think about this when i'm more awake...
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03:51<Requiem>At 4.2 GB, who the heck is gonna read it?
03:51<Requiem>not to mention the whole can't read it thing
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03:53<tcsetattr>well the people responsible for generating the crapload of errors should be forced to read it
03:54<tcsetattr>if you use well-behaved programs you don't get a lot of junk in there
03:54<ameyer>sounds like it's time for a symlink to /dev/null
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03:55<tcsetattr>oops, I see my own .xsession-errors has bloated up thanks to ratpoison not behaving well. oh the embarrassment.
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03:57<Requiem>I may have to look at the file at some point and see what program is causing it
03:57<Requiem>whatever it is is probably causing memory leaks anyway
03:57<Requiem>(I bet it's iceweasel)
03:57<tcsetattr>mine's just over 200k containing messages over the last year and a half
03:58<tcsetattr>and even that is bigger than it should be
03:58<Requiem>okay, so this is abnormal then
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03:59<tcsetattr>well it is not exactly rare since there are a lot of awful error-spewing programs out there. You might be in the top tier of file sizes though
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04:11[~]zms w00t!s testing d-i works with SATA!
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04:12<ameyer>zms: what do you think d-i is, Windows XP's installer?
04:12<zms>ameyer: *grin* the d-i that I had with Debian 4.0 DVD did not work with SATA drive.
04:13<ameyer>that's lame
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04:13<ameyer>I'd guess your particular SATA chipset wasn't supported by etch's kernel
04:13<zms>ameyer: umm. me or the d-i? I have G33 based board which, I am told, is newer than Etch
04:14<ameyer>zms: the d-i
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04:14<zms>ameyer: you are right. Being the n00b that I am, I could not pin-point the cause
04:14<ameyer>it's no big deal, honestly
04:14<zms>valdyn suggested this d-i since I will anyways use sid
04:15<ameyer>I think lack of sleep is causing me to be more of a jerk than usual, I need to correct the situation
04:16<Requiem>You're gonna do a full testing install as a workaround?
04:16<Requiem>we did point you to the stable version with a backported kernel didn't we?
04:16<zms>Requiem: Not workaround.
04:16<zms>Requiem: Yes. you did
04:16<ameyer>Requiem: if he's gonna run unstable, does it matter?
04:16<zms>Requiem: But I intend to run sid
04:17[~]Requiem hmms
04:17<Requiem>may not be a bad idea actually
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04:17<Requiem>is testing more or less stable than unstable?
04:17<Requiem>I forget the heirarchy
04:17<ameyer>more, in theory
04:17<zms>Requiem: I have been using sid with zero issues for last four years before my hardware conked off
04:17<Requiem>so testing would be the one to use
04:17<Requiem>assuming it supports the graphcs chipset
04:17<Nox_>Hey people
04:17<Requiem>zms: fair enough
04:18<Requiem>Think I may just grab a testing KDE disk and see what happens
04:18<ameyer>oldstable. stable, testing, unstable from most stable to least stable, assuming that sarge > etch
04:18<zms>Requiem: Yeah.. graphics are going to a challenge. But I will imitate valdyn and mess with latest mesa (as if I understand it! :))
04:18<ameyer>but sarge is getting toward ancient
04:18<Nox_>Could someone tell me whats the most easy and elegant way to just modify and rebuild an existing debian kernel?
04:18<ameyer>or at least unsupported
04:18<zms>unstable is pretty stable, IMHO.
04:19<Requiem>Nox: Elegant and kernel builds don't seem to go together from the manuals I've found.
04:19<valdyn>zms: creating debs from git mesa is straightforward
04:19<Requiem>git mesa?
04:20<dpkg>somebody said git was version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel,, or
04:20<paulliu>testing has average stable and average fresh...
04:20<ameyer>zms: then again, package instability can break APT in fun ways...
04:20<zms>valdyn: I wonder if you have documented your adventures with mesa?
04:20<ameyer>like what happened in Ubuntu during feisty development...
04:21<zms>ameyer: I am sure. I have been lucky. so far..
04:21<paulliu>There must be some flaw for a package only in unstable but not in testing...
04:21<Nox_>Requiem: Allright, maybe not :) I found a nice tutorial \bout just rebuilding it, but very poor instructions about how to modify it before rebuilding.....
04:22<Requiem>zms: how's the gpaphics working out with testing?
04:22<ameyer>a 3rd party beryl repo's packages broke python in a way that made APT refuse to actually upgrade anything until manual dpkg intervention occurred
04:22<Requiem>ah yes... 3rd party
04:22<zms>Requiem: well, I am not on a fast connection. so even the install will take some time. I am not sure when will I get to graphics.
04:23<Requiem>ah, probably no till you're done.
04:23<zms>ameyer: I did get stuck once with a broken package that gave me issues (do not details now) but #debian solved that in 10 min.
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04:24<zms>s/do not/do not remember the/
04:24<ameyer>well, the broken package managed to hose APT...
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04:24<valdyn>zms: just did: "" mind, its untested and typos happen.. You should understand what you do.
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04:25<valdyn>zms: and i just needed this to get hardware 3d accel, not to get X running
04:25<ameyer>not as fun as the kernel upgrades that caused error messages saying that the solution to the problem was "sudo apt-get install apt"
04:26<Visnapuu>hello all
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04:26<zms>valdyn: thanks a lot. I do understand, if not, then I will. :)
04:26<Visnapuu>i'm back about the zd1211rw no network problem
04:27<ameyer>whenever Debian switches over to libata, fun will ensue for anyone with PATA drives...
04:27<Visnapuu>i ran ifconfig -a there were two things: lo and sit0
04:28<valdyn>ameyer: migration is quite straightforward..
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04:28<ameyer>it'd involve switching to UUIDs
04:28<valdyn>ameyer: or LABEL
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04:28<zms>Thanks valdyn, Requiem, ameyer for all the help. I will have disconnect now to let the main machine use this connection. Will return later with results.
04:28<zms>Bye for now
04:29<Visnapuu>why i cant see network possipiliti under network configuration
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04:30<Visnapuu>successions enyone
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04:31<valdyn>Visnapuu: where did you fetch the firmware?
04:31<Visnapuu>in kernel
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04:32<Visnapuu>atleast it is said its there and i confirmed it in modconf
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04:32<valdyn>Visnapuu: what does modconf know about firmware?
04:33<Visnapuu>it shows that zd1211rw is installed
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04:33<Visnapuu>or it installs only drivers and i hawe to but firmware on myself
04:34<Visnapuu>i dont know
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04:34<Visnapuu>i'm new at linux
04:34<Visnapuu>ismod shows its loaded too
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04:35<valdyn>Visnapuu: 'dmesg | grep zd12' shows anything?
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04:35<Visnapuu>and ifconfig shows two things lo and sit0
04:35<Visnapuu>what is that
04:35<dli>Visnapuu, you need the package zd1211-firmware , do: apt-get install zd1211-firmware
04:36<Visnapuu>does it require network
04:37<dli>Visnapuu, you would have to downloaded it other ways, if wireless is your only access
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04:39<dli>Visnapuu, you can download the package .deb at
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04:39<Visnapuu>i downloaded it from soursforge or something. its current version is 1.3 right
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04:41<Visnapuu>there is only vendor drivers and i was told not to use those not to use those
04:42<Visnapuu>what to do
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04:43<Visnapuu>and what is this dmesg greb zd12
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04:44<klys>dmesg | grep <pattern>; will help you find strings in your kernel messages
04:45<Visnapuu>valdyn what is this dmesg | grep zd12
04:46<valdyn>Visnapuu: shows info, or not, try runnning it
04:46<Visnapuu>well i try.
04:46<Visnapuu>it takes some time so bye for now
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04:47<aycko>my grub does not work. and there is totally no error information
04:47<aycko>yesterday i updated my kernel
04:47<valdyn>aycko: no one can help you if there's no information
04:47<aycko>and today i booted
04:47<klys>does it not load the menu?
04:48<aycko>and when i start its just: grub
04:48<klys>it's not finding stage2
04:48<aycko>it states just "grub" in console
04:48<klys>stage1 should have a built-in blocklist
04:48<valdyn>aycko: that's not yet kernel related
04:48<klys>boot the iso
04:48<aycko>how do i fix this?
04:48<aycko>i cannot boot anything
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04:49<aycko>i cannot even type stuff
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04:49<klys>'scuse me
04:49<klys>burn the iso and boot it, or a grub-floppy
04:49<klys>to make a grub-floppy, just cat stage1 stage2 > /dev/fd0
04:50<aycko>does it work with read only? like cd or dvd?
04:50<aycko>i dont have a floppy
04:50<klys>cd-r or cd-rw is fine
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04:52<Requiem>Linux needs a hardware compatability list
04:52<valdyn>Requiem: it has one
04:52<klys>see the hardware-howto at
04:52<Requiem>a website devoted entirely to finding out if what you want to buy will actually work right out of the box
04:52<valdyn>!which driver
04:52<dpkg>Try to find out which driver supports your device.
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04:52<valdyn>Requiem: its included in each kernel, searchable via ^^^
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04:53<valdyn>Requiem: just old devices like isa bus devices are excluded from that db
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04:54<aycko>klys: ok i can type now, how do i fix this stage2 ?
04:54<sheldonh>wow, lots of updates from dist-upgrade today
04:54<valdyn>Requiem: admittedly there could be better ways to access that DB
04:54<sheldonh>is there a one-liner for running m-a a-i to ensure that the new kernel gets all the extra modules i installed for the old kernel?
04:54<valdyn>Requiem: you can use the pci id list on sourceforge to cross reference names too
04:55<klys>aycko: copy stage2 to your grub boot dir
04:55<Requiem>I meant something a bit simpler
04:55<aycko>how? i am not loged in yet. i am at the grub terminal
04:55<aycko>it states grub>
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04:56<valdyn>Requiem: well, vendors name DIFFERENT devices identically at times. That makes this being simple very hard
04:56<klys>aycko: root (hd0,0), install (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p /boot/grub/menu.txt
04:56<Requiem>No, but it's part of it
04:56<Requiem>I was thinking something along the lines of the ALSA projects compatability lis though
04:57<klys>aycko: you have to know the partition then find the files
04:57<aycko>that could be a problem ;)
04:57<Requiem>just with a bit better explanation of what works and what doesn't
04:57<klys>aycko: (hd0,0) == /dev/hda1
04:57<valdyn>Requiem: aye, such projects are always overwhelmed by the mass of different devices being produced
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04:58<klys>aycko: press tab after a directory name to list the files
04:58[~]Requiem shrugs. "So you harness community effort." And ask the nice people who ahve partial lists to let you use your data.
04:58<hate29>Hi, how can I remove the 'trash' icon from my desktop? I have etch and gnome.
04:59<valdyn>Requiem: you're free to start yet another hcl
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04:59<klys>hate29: rm ~/desktop/Trash.* ???
04:59<Requiem>nah, far too lazy for that
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05:00<hate29>klys: There's only desktop and home, no trash
05:00<klys>k I don't know
05:01<valdyn>Requiem: last sata controller i bought needed just a device ID added to the driver. One would think that Adaptec itself could have done that
05:03<aycko>klys: where do i put /boot/grub/stage1 ? / or /boot ?
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05:03<aycko>cuz i boot from my /boot partition
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05:05<aycko>klys: (hd0,1) is my /boot and (hd0,5) is my /
05:05<cahoot>hate29: gconf-editor->nautilus ...
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05:06<aycko>just to get it right i neet to type: root (hd0,1), install (hd0,1)/grub/stage1 (hd0,5) (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 0x8000 p /boot/grub/menu.txt ?
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05:07<hate29>Thanks cahoot!
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05:08<klys>aycko: first type: root (hd0,1)
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05:09<klys>the rest is right
05:09<klys>say /grub/menu.txt
05:09<klys>then save your menu file there
05:09<aycko>it states:Filesystemtype is ext2fs
05:09<Visnapuu>dmesg | grep zd12
05:09<Visnapuu>i ran the dmesg | grep zd12
05:10<Visnapuu>it said that could not load firmware
05:10<klys>aycko: what files are in /grub ? (type /grub<tab>)
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05:10<valdyn>Visnapuu: dli told you how to fix that: 11:35 < dli> Visnapuu, you need the package zd1211-firmware , do: apt-get install zd1211-firmware
05:10<aycko>does not work when i type root (hd0,1) just with (hd0,1)/ tab
05:11<klys>aycko: root is set now
05:11<Visnapuu>then i installed firmware like said in readme file, restarted and worked fine but i still cant connect to network
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05:11<Visnapuu>it cannot valitate wep key
05:11<klys>aycko: type: cat /grub/<tab key>
05:11<dechande>Hey guys quick question, is there any way to delet another uers trash as root ?
05:11<aycko>not just with: root (hd0,1), install (hd0,1)<tab key>
05:11<dechande>As in, things in their trash boon
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05:12<valdyn>dechande: sudo rm -r /home/user/.Trash/*
05:12<klys>aycko: you can omit the (hd0,1)
05:12<aycko>there is the ususal stuff like vmlinuz and initrd files
05:12<klys>just use / because root is set now
05:12<dechande>valdyn: tyvm
05:12<klys>aycko: stage1 and stage2 ?
05:13<Visnapuu>do i need some packages to validate wep key
05:13<klys>aycko: good, you're set.
05:13<aycko>there are both in my original /boot/grub
05:13<Visnapuu>like wireless tools or something
05:14<klys>install /grub/stage1 (hd0,5) /grub/stage2 0x8000 p /grub/menu,txt
05:14<dechande>cannot remove `/home/dechande/.trash/*': No such file or directory
05:14<klys>install /grub/stage1 (hd0,5) /grub/stage2 0x8000 p /grub/menu.txt
05:14<klys>'scuse me
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05:14<dechande>nvm i am useless :D
05:15<klys>then just type configfile /grub/menu.lst, edit the entry with `e' and boot to make your menu.txt
05:15<dechande>Trash with a capital t
05:15<dechande>T :D
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05:16<aycko>what do u mean with edit?
05:16<aycko>it kind of works i am in my grub menu
05:16<klys>type e, do you have your old menu?
05:16<klys>you can type e at any entry there
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05:17<klys>example: kernel... init=/bin/sh
05:18<aycko>i just have entries for root, kernel, initrd and savedefault
05:18<klys>the kernel one unless you want a default boot
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05:19<aycko>i think it works
05:19<aycko>is this permanent?
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05:19<klys>now copy your old menu and edit /boot/grub/menu.txt
05:19<klys>and it should be after that
05:20<aycko>klys: ok thanks, u saved my day ;)
05:20<klys>np man
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05:21<aycko>but what was the problem actually?
05:21<lanceallott>been reading info modprobe..I keep see references to MODPROBE_OPTIONS environment variable, and that it can be used to pass arguments
05:21<klys>your stage1 had a mismatched blocklist that didn't refer to your stage2 current file location
05:21<klys>happens all the time around here
05:21<klys>there should be a faq or howto about it
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05:23<lanceallott>will those arguments carry over to each reboot or just for the current session?
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05:28<frank>lanceallott: i guess just like every other environment variable
05:28<elvis>ok can anyone help me?
05:29<valdyn>lanceallott: you set options in /etc/modprobe.d/, not via the environment
05:29<dli>!tell elvis about anyone
05:29<elvis>i can get aplications places but not desktop if i go near desktop vnc freezes this is a remote server
05:29<elvis>sorry dli was typing problem
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05:30<lanceallott>valdyn: do I haft to create a modprobe.conf file with the arguments and add it to modprobe.d?
05:30<valdyn>lanceallott: no
05:30<frank>modprobe.d/* is equivalent to modprobe.conf
05:30<valdyn>lanceallott: you create a descriptive filename of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/
05:31<lanceallott>ah...I see
05:32<lanceallott>so the name of the file makes no difference, just the arguments in it
05:32<valdyn>lanceallott: right
05:32<lanceallott>thanks...gone hacking!!
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05:33<elvis>ohh and i have to reboot to get it back
05:33<elvis>can anyone advise if this is gnome if so how can i get vnc4server to connect with kde as i do not have xtartup
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05:36<aycko>klys: just tried to reboot, it does not work permanent
05:36<aycko>could it be that i need to type: install /grub/stage1 (hd0,5) /grub/stage2 0x8000 p /grub/menu.lst indead of menu.txt?
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05:39<cahoot>aycko: menu.txt was meant to be menu.lst
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05:40<aycko>ah ok
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05:43<Visnapuu>how to configure wireless lan wit wep.
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05:43<Visnapuu>i cant get the settings right
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05:45<deboch>hi all !!
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05:46<Visnapuu>i hawe IP, GW, SM, DNS, SSID, and wep key. how do configure wireless with this data.
05:47<cahoot>Visnapuu: if you use gnome - network-manager might suit you
05:47<Hunga> ioctl[IEE80211_IOCTL_DELKEY]: Operation not permitted whats that?
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05:47<gsimmons>Visnapuu: Install the 'wireless-tools' package, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for an example /etc/network/interfaces configuration.
05:47<Visnapuu>tried cant configure wpa
05:47<Hunga>what can i do against it
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05:48<SUPERSLADAK>warning: pointer targets in passing argument 2 of 'adns__vbuf_append' differ in signedness
05:48<SUPERSLADAK>where is the problem ?
05:48<SUPERSLADAK>with gcc ?
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05:49<azeem>SUPERSLADAK: it's a warning
05:49<azeem>SUPERSLADAK: and this channel is not for general programming advise
05:49<SUPERSLADAK>yes but why ?
05:49<SUPERSLADAK>this warning is normal ?
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05:50<azeem>SUPERSLADAK: did you write that code?
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05:50<SUPERSLADAK>oficial mirror on debian
05:50<azeem>how is that answering my question?
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05:51<SUPERSLADAK>yes but ...
05:51<SUPERSLADAK>i cant understand
05:52<Eulex>!wayttd SUPERSLADAK
05:52<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, SUPERSLADAK?
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05:57<klys>sladak: the warning refers to a specific .c file in the build process, line number was given. if you find this warning an error, turn off -werror
05:58<klys>hmm ah well
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05:58<[gloom]>visnapu: you said you have WEP, not WPA. If you're using wep encryption, under gnome you can use network manager, under kde you can use kwlan, or kwifimanager, and under console, you can use the wiretless tools in the wireless-tools package
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06:02<yang>I have replaced the CPU with core 2 duo, now I am getting errors after kernel boot -> ide ass-miko 33mhz system bus speed ; scsi subsystem initialized (I have IDE drive not scsi...) ; uniform multi-platform /bin/cat /sys/block/hda1/dev no such file or directory
06:02<elvis>so no one knows why gnome freezes computer on desktop highlight or click?
06:03<yang>elvis: probably your xorg configuration is bad
06:03<yang>check the settings about the video card or monitor
06:03<Eulex>elvis, are you sure it freezes completely? can you ssh into it? can you ping it?
06:03<Eulex>elvis, might you be able to switch to the console by pressing ctrl-alt-f1?
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06:05<c0rnd0g>why in the fsck does evolution want to be so mammoth and have so many runaway processes, it's like "hey! what are you doing now? let me investigate!" gah! /me prays for sylpheed/gnome integration instead of mammoth buggy evolution walkonheels preventing stupid gconf crash
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06:05<c0rnd0g>it's like evolution says: fsck you! i'm going to freeze your system for a few cuz i did not like what you did. wtf!
06:06<c0rnd0g>selinux should just trump and kill every thread imho
06:06<elvis>eulex by freeze i eman vnc wont click on anything ssh still works fine
06:07<c0rnd0g>give evo like 100ms to straighten up then just renice and kill with popup pls restart evo
06:07<elvis>i can provide link to my xorg.conf if you would like?
06:10<elvis>i can get applications and places but can not go near desktop
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06:12<elvis>can this be a problem with gnome (this is a remote server so need vnc working fully)
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06:15<Giunta>hi all, when I type the character ¨/¨ it comes out as ¨-¨. Only happens at the tty(everything is normal when gome is open)
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06:18<bcochofel>What program can I use to send files to bluetooth devices under etch?
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06:24<elvis>can anyone advise on how to get kde install and vnc4server using that?
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06:26<mbroeker>elvis, i dont like mixed enviroments ( gnome and kde ). so i install a base system without X ( Desktop ), boot into the system and install kde from scratch
06:27<elvis>this is a server
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06:28<mbroeker>so what is working right now and what not?
06:29<elvis>i have vnc running unitl i highlight desktop
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06:29<elvis>which is running on gnome
06:30<elvis>i cant tell if it is vnc4server being incompatible with gnome or not as ssh still works
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06:31<elvis>i have vnc4server on mine with gnome and same os (but not sure if they are on stable or unstable)
06:31<deboch>mbroker, elvis : warning !!!! don't use the vnc4server, it's vulnerable to a BOF !!!
06:31<mbroeker>i am a little bit confused about here and there. :) can you post a screenshot with propper error messages on it?
06:32<mbroeker>deboch, whats BOF?
06:32<deboch>Buffer Overflow !!
06:32<mbroeker>ah i see
06:33<deboch>it's very dangerous
06:33<elvis>i could not find anything else that gave me a desktop
06:33<deboch>tsclient ??
06:33<mbroeker>char msg[20]; strcpy(msg, "You got hacked, reallyhackedASDASDASSD0x23123131235");
06:33<elvis>mbroeker, i do not get an error message
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06:34<deboch>mbroeker : what is this ??
06:34<mbroeker>deboch, thats a buffer overflow
06:34<deboch>yes ;-)
06:34<elvis>i aint seen that :)
06:34<elvis>what is tsclient ?
06:35<mbroeker>if you put, for example 100 bytes in a 20 bytes buffer, thats on overflow, debhelper
06:35<deboch>terminal server client
06:35<mbroeker>if you put, for example 100 bytes in a 20 bytes buffer, thats on overflow, deboch
06:35<deboch>it has rdp and vnc protocols implemented !
06:35<deboch>yes i know mbroeker ;-)
06:35<mbroeker>and it depends on several things if this is vulnerable or not
06:35<deboch>and the vnc4 is vulnerable to this bof
06:36<elvis>the problem is i am going from windows to linux nor linux to linux
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06:36<deboch>what do you mean elvis ?
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06:36<elvis>will tsclient allow me to connect froma windows based machine to linus
06:36<elvis>linux sorry
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06:39<mbroeker>elvis, try to install krfb with ssh and try to connect again
06:40<elvis>ssh is installed whats krftb?
06:41<mbroeker>elvis, but, who will start the krfb on the remote linux :)
06:41<mbroeker>elvis, krfb is the kde desktop sharing server
06:42<elvis>ok thats instale? do i install anything else or just type apt-get isntall krfb
06:43<bcochofel>no bluez gurus here? Need some help with config
06:43<mbroeker>try that elvis but is there anyone who can start krfb on the remote maschine?
06:43<elvis>i can vnc to start t=it unless it is in the desktop dropdown?
06:44<mbroeker>elvis, you can open a shell, enter krfb and a gui appears
06:44<mbroeker>if thats possible somehow, its a try worth
06:46<elvis>xinputextension missing on display :5
06:48<elvis>would it be best to format?
06:49<deboch>elvis : are you trying to connect to linux server with a wndows client ?
06:49<elvis>ok i have vnc4server install on linux i have vnc viewer and tight vnc on windows
06:50<deboch>where is the problem ?
06:50<elvis>but the linux server (one that belongs to friend) is broke
06:50<elvis>i can not get desktop using vnc
06:50<deboch>you cannot connect ?
06:50<elvis>well ic an but not the drop down on gnome
06:50<deboch>what is the error message ?
06:50<elvis>doesnt give me on
06:50<deboch>is the server running ?
06:51<elvis>just refuses to accept mouse click after i jighlight it
06:51<elvis>i have a vnc session at the moment but not going near dektop dropdown menu
06:51<deboch>so you recieve the desktop in a readonly mode ?
06:52<elvis>na as i can open konosle and things in applications and places
06:52<deboch>can you type characters in linux konsole by vnc ?
06:53<deboch>the mouse , is it working ?
06:53<elvis>until i highlight desktop yes
06:54<deboch>it's fine !
06:54<Blaheva>i have a problem with the penguihns
06:54<Blaheva>penguins even
06:54<Blaheva>they keep tellingme to burn things :(
06:54<elvis>i can not get access to the desktop drop down menu
06:54<deboch>what is the penguin even ?
06:54<elvis>penguins talk?
06:54<Blaheva>i say no mr penguin i cant do that
06:54<Blaheva>but the penguins keep insisting!!!
06:55<Blaheva>make them stop please!!
06:55<deboch>go to the console
06:55<deboch>and pastebin the output of "ps -e" without "" ok ?
06:55<deboch>!tell elevis about pastebin
06:56<deboch>elvis : it's for you
06:56<elvis>one moment please this is a dif computer from what i am using now
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07:01<mbroeker>elvis, i tried it right now
07:01<mbroeker>i have installed vncserver, krfb krdc and rdesktop
07:02<elvis>ok pastebin is http://pastebin.ca662146
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07:02<elvis>sorry paste bin is
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07:03<elvis>mbroeker i think it is more to the way this server was setup that anything else
07:04<deboch>elevis : wait just a minute
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07:08<deboch>you try : kill 2170
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07:08<deboch>and then restart the server by
07:08<Tydor>what is the best share files?
07:09<mbroeker>Tydor, do you wanna be a criminal?
07:09<elvis>it is vnc4server i am using sorry
07:09<Tydor>is criminal? O.O
07:09<zms>can grub boot off /boot on LVM on RAID?
07:09<Tydor>is crime*?
07:10<deboch>you are using vnc4
07:10<mbroeker>Tydor, most file sharing users are criminals.
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07:10<Tydor>ah ok....i understand,,,thanks a lot
07:10<elvis>ok one more question as that worked
07:11<zms>testing d-i only gives option to install LILO when I tryinig to install a system on LVM on RAID.
07:11<elvis>how do i ge the foriegn server to display only the english language
07:12<franklin>zns, i don't think grub supports LVM/RAID. i would strongly recommend to have a small /boot for complex setup anyway.
07:12<elvis>i also can not open the gproftpd gui
07:12<elvis>failed to open child process
07:13<zms>franklin: I am trying to setup a RAID1 system so I do not have to worry about failing disks leaving me crippled. If I have leave /boot out of RAID, can I still achieve what I am trying?
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07:13<Berge>zms: Yes, you can
07:14<Berge>zms: You won't get redundancy on your /boot partition, though.
07:14<Berge>GRUB supports booting from RAID1, though.
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07:14<zms>Berge: doesn't that sort of defeats te whole plan?
07:14<franklin>zms, but you can maintain /boot on both disk manually.
07:14<Berge>zms: Depends. /boot isn't a critical place.
07:14<Berge>(Critical as in data safety, not boot stability.)
07:15<zms>franklin: and grub? how do I mirror that on both drives?
07:15<dli>zms, you can put both /boot and swap on raid1
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07:15<Berge>zms: With RAID1, both disks are identical.
07:15<deboch>try to use vino instead of vnc4server !!
07:15<Berge>zms: GRUB can boot from either one, and your initramfs will take care of starting RAIDs and stuff.
07:16<zms>franklin: yes, I can setup an rsync job to sync /boot but how do I dal with grub?
07:16<zms>dli: if I do, then which bootloader do I use?
07:17<Berge>zms: Any particular reason you don't want /boot on RAID1?
07:17<dli>zms, grub can do raid1, since it's simply mirroring
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07:17<zms>Berge: I want /boot on RAID but d-i did not give me option to install grub.. only LILO.
07:18<franklin>Berge, what about GRUB+LVM ?
07:18<dli>zms, of course, you have to manually install grub to all raid1 partitions for /boot, so you can boot up from anyone
07:18<mbroeker>uh, how can i install a package, which is locally stored on my maschine?
07:18<Berge>franklin: Dunno, I don't know much about LVM, I'm afraid.
07:18<mbroeker>apt-get install will fetch it from somewhere
07:18<dli>mbroeker, use, " dpkg -i foo.deb" for debs
07:18<mbroeker>ah thanks, dli
07:18<zms>dli: may be I forgot to mention.. it's LVM on RAID
07:19<zms>dli: do you think it's still workable?
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07:19<dli>zms, I have no idea, using raid1 /boot would be an easy solution
07:20<Berge>zms: You'd need to keep /boot out of LVM.
07:20<zms>dli: hmm, so /boot on RAID without LVM and rest of the partitions on LVM+RAID
07:20<Berge>GRUB don't know LVM.
07:20<Berge>zms: Yep, that would work out.
07:21<zms>I anyways will not need to resize /boot. I will make it 150M on RAID device
07:22<Berge>zms: 150MB is plenty for /boot
07:22<zms>I just hope d-i give me option to install GRUB next time.. (may be options it provides depends on what your choices)
07:22<Berge>zms: You can install grub yourself if d-i won't do it.
07:22<Berge>Just start d-i, and let the parition manager find your disks. Then go to tty2 and start a shell.
07:23<Berge>From there you can install GRUB.
07:23<dli>zms, I use 2GB /boot, since I made 2GB swap on raid1, and they are of the same size
07:23<zms>Berge: *grin* yeah. Last time, I made /boot, it served me for four years through multiple kernel upgrades without any cleanup
07:23<zms>dli: 2GB /boot!!
07:24<Berge>dli: 2GB is perhaps overkill.
07:24<zms>dli: it will last decades with no cleanup.. may be a century. :)
07:25<dli>zms, I made two partitions on each disk, the second one for raid5, so the first one for raid1, some for /boot, some for swap, that's why they are of the same size
07:25<Berge>dli: You keep RAID1 and RAID5 partitions on the same disks?
07:26<dli>Berge, why not?
07:27<Berge>It's a bit odd (-:
07:27<elvis>thankyou for all your help
07:27<Berge>The disks suffers from lots of seeking?
07:28<dli>Berge, unlikely, the swap is not used much, and /boot is mostly for booting only
07:28<zms>Berge, dli: one more quick question. My last install attempt aborted (due to power failure) while it was installing downloaded packages. I wonder if I can somehow aviod downloaing packages again during install this time? Any thoughts would help.
07:28<Berge>dli: Well, good point. Still a bit odd in my view, but whatever works (-:
07:29<Berge>zms: I don't think d-i is able to safe itself there.
07:29<zms>dli: I am going t o borrow your idea of mixing RAID 1 and 5 for different types of stuff :)
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07:30<dli>zms, it's possible for you to boot a livecd, and chroot to continue, however, since d-i is fast enough for a reasonable network, I would do d-i (format partitions)
07:30<dli>zms, read the gentoo software installation howto, it's trivial to follow:
07:31<franklin>zns, depend how clean you want to make it.. you could move /var/cache/apt/archives to a usb disk, and put it back before d-i actually install anything. otherwise, apt-proxy could import it.
07:31<zms>Berge: looks like, I actually tried to pick and choose the steps in d-i and it finished installation but did not boot up (I used LILO, not blaming just info). I think i't to do with incorrect initrd.. will anyways try reinstall.
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07:32<zms>dli: It for Desktop and Standard options it would take me 3 hrs to download. :-(
07:32<zms>dli: thanks for the gentoo guide. Will read up before next attempt.
07:32<streuner>dli: The requested URL could not be retrieved
07:32<Berge>zms: If it did finish its installation, you can probably save it.
07:32<dli>zms, then, boot a livecd, chroot, reinstall linux-image, and make sure you set up grub correctly
07:32<Berge>zms: And as franklin and dli suggests, there are probably ways to rescue it.
07:33<dli>streuner, oh, the gentoo server is down, that's why I sent the google cached
07:33<zms>streuner: It did for me.
07:33<Berge>But I'm off for a bit. zms, good luck (-:
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07:33<dli>streuner, is there a detailed debian software raid howto? the official installation manual is not clear to me
07:34<zms>Berge, dli, franklin: Thanks for the support and kind help. :)
07:34<zms>Appreciate it.
07:34<Berge>zms: No trouble at all (-.
07:35<fatal_>dli: no debian specific but the general software raid howto is nice IMHO.
07:35<zms>trying ubuntu live cd, let's see if I see lilght in 30 min. else will reinstall.
07:36<dli>fatal_, then, I found the gentoo howto is quite easy to follow, unfortunately, they haven't fixed the server security hole for past weeks
07:37<dli>zms, I think you have to repartition to get raid1 /boot right?
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07:42<zms>dli: I already created /boot on RAID1
07:42<zms>before the installation died
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07:43<dli>zms, then, follow the gentoo howto assemble the raid devices, and create chroot environment
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07:46<streuner>dli: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/
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07:47<zms>Ubuntu live CD does not have mdadm command.
07:48<streuner>use grml or such
07:48<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment.
07:48<franklin>zms, that's for this kind of problem that i tend to put /boot on a plain partition ;)
07:48<dli>zms, you can always use "apt-get install mdadm" to install it
07:49<zms>dli: I only have one network connection (non-wirelss) and that is connected to this laptop.. I did not want to disconnect. :( see you later
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08:16<yang>I have replaced the CPU with core 2 duo, now I am getting errors after kernel boot -> ide ass-miko 33mhz system bus speed ; scsi subsystem initialized (I have IDE drive not scsi...) ; uniform multi-platform /bin/cat /sys/block/hda1/dev no such file or directory
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08:22<tycale>How configure jack with alsa ?
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08:47<deboch>what is the quanta documentation package name in debian ?
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08:49<deboch>hi low
08:49<low>can any one tell me where to download kernel source fpr debian
08:49<gsimmons>deboch: It looks to be in 'kdewebdev-doc-html'.
08:50<deboch>but i have already installed this package and the quanta is still givin error while loading docs
08:50<low>what about debian specific source
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08:50<zukalk>hi. i need help getting the nvidia drivers correctly installed. i'm running lenny amd64. the nvidia install sh works, but each time i reboot xorg crashes and i have to rerun the nvinstaller before i can start gdm
08:51<low>my nvidia install sh dont work
08:51<low>always complain on error in line 775
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08:52<zukalk>low, i meant .run, not .sh, my bad
08:52<deboch>gsimmons : but i have already installed this package and the quanta is still givin error while loading docs
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08:53<artur>hi, just installed debian 4 etch. can't get to runlevel 3. init 3 dumps me back to login screen. anybody knows a workaround?
08:54<low>debian is even more difficult then gentoo
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08:54<gsimmons>deboch: You can browse /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/quanta/ directly instead. Anything relevant appearing in your ~/.xsession-errors?
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08:55<franklin>artur, i don't know about gentoo, but all runlevel are all the same under Debian.
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08:55<fxiny>yahhh we (users) have a big big brain comparing to eggs friggin gentoosmites :)
08:55<franklin>artur, what do you want ?
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08:55<artur>franklin, it wasn't me who asked about gentoo. i've never had a gentoo instal
08:55<Shiver>hi there, i've got some issues with the alsa-oss pkg on lenny... anyone knows an irc channel to discuss those probs? (or even here?)
08:55<balder67>hi all
08:56<balder67>i have a problem
08:56<balder67>i compiled kde4 yesterday
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08:56<balder67>but i can't load it in kdm
08:56<artur>franklin, it just kinda bothers me I can't get to runlevel 3. i was installing nvidia driver package and it req'd that I be in runlevel, i.e. no X server
08:56<balder67>i created a kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsession but nothin appear
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08:56<cahoot>artur: invoke-rc.d gdm stop
08:57<balder67>anyone can help me?
08:57<artur>I've been able to eventually install nvidia driver following the "Debian Way" but still I'd like to know why the system don't let me there
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08:58<artur>cahoot, thanks for the headsup. I've seen the same solution somewhere. but still, any idea why init 3 doesn't work? init 1 does work, but that's too dangerous for installing a video driver, according to the system
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08:59<franklin>artur, there ? in runlevel 3 ?
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09:00<franklin>artur, run "telinit 3" (which won't stop XWindow, under Debian)
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09:00<gatto>xdcc send #2
09:00<fxiny>stray cat ?
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09:05<bcochofel>How can I log shorewall messages to other file?
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09:07<artur>franklin, I did run telinit 3 - it didn't seem to work
09:07<artur>franklin, sorry if I did not understand. you said it will not stop X under Debian. So why suggesting then?
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09:08<franklin>artur, because it's the proper way to change runlevel ;) FYI
09:08<gravity>artur: If you're running gdm, run (as root) 'invoke-rc.d gdm stop'
09:08<gravity>artur: If you're running kdm/xdm/wdm just substitute that in for gdm
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09:09<artur>thanks all! will have to memorize the command
09:10<gravity>artur: You can also just call the init script directly, (/etc/init.d/gdm) if that's easier to remember
09:10<franklin>artur, it's a very standard way to start/stop a daemon, under Debian distros.
09:10<gravity>invoke-rc.d is what's used in packaging scripts, and does a few extra checks that probably aren't as important for most cases
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09:22<artur>oh, sorry I am relatively new to gnu/linux - the distro I've worked with most is SUSE. There, it's init 3 that you have to type to get to runlevel 3
09:22<artur>as I mentioned earlier, it's just one day since I have Debian installed.
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09:23<bcochofe1>How can I edited syslog.conf to send shorewall logging to other file?
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09:26<nr>Buenas tardes a todos
09:26<djsmeg>anyone know anything about grub2 here?
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09:27[~]vastinfest hillow to all..
09:27<artur>thanks again to all! have a great day
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09:29<bcochofe1>I keep getting all these shorewall messages on my console. How can I get rid of this?
09:30<weasel>use ULOG instead of LOG
09:30<weasel>and install ulogd
09:30<weasel>and it's not shorewall.
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09:33<bcochofe1>weasel: it's not shorewall?! but all the messages are from shorewall
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09:33<deboch>has someone used xchat behind a firewall ?? (an isa server especially)
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09:34<bcochofe1>weasel: where can I set LOG to ULOGD?
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09:44<Guinea_pig>I have some troubles with nvidia nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7
09:44<Guinea_pig>dpkg can't help me
09:44<Guinea_pig>lsmodgrep nvidia
09:45<Guinea_pig>nvidia 4550548 0
09:45<Guinea_pig>but startx report :
09:45<Guinea_pig>(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
09:45<Guinea_pig>(EE) No drivers available.
09:46<Guinea_pig>But the /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia file EXIST !?
09:46<weasel>bcochofe1: are you sure those aren't messages from the kernel? netfilter?
09:46<weasel>shorewall is just a wrapper, isn't it?
09:46[~]Guinea_pig use a etch
09:46<bcochofe1>weasel: shorewall messages come from netfilter
09:46<weasel>then they aren't shorewall messages.
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09:47<bcochofe1>weasel: ok. but I got it. I've changed it to ulog
09:48<bcochofe1>fxiny: I was in there but didn't have the LOG var anywhere in /etc/shorewall
09:48<bcochofe1>fxiny: I touch params and edited so that can have a LOG=ULOG
09:48<bcochofe1>now it works
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09:50<fxiny>bcochofe1: from info to ULOG ?
09:51<deboch>has someone used xchat behind a firewall ?? (an isa server especially)
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09:51<deboch>has someone used xchat behind a proxy ?? (an isa server especially)
09:51<deboch>hw can i configure xchat to use a proxy ?
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09:54<dudester>deboch : with or without ntlm authentication?
09:54<gsimmons>deboch: <>
09:55<deboch>with ntlm
09:55<bcochofel>fxiny: I did change that but also put in params file the LOG var. I didn't have any params file before
09:56<deboch>dudester : with ntlm
09:56<dudester>gsimmons, does xchat know how too handle ntlm?
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09:58<dudester>deboch, check ook ntlmaps
09:58<gsimmons>dudester: IIRC, it's a compile-time option ("msproxy ntlm").
09:59<deboch>dudbester : i know ntlmaps, but should i use http or socks5 to connect from xchat to ntlmap server ?
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09:59<dudester>nice 2 know thx :)
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10:00<manphiz>What's going on about So as new queue. seems things are piling up.
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10:02<dudester>deboch, install ntlmaps and use your browser too see if it works, then if it works you can try xchat
10:02<deboch>ok, i have already done it it works fine
10:03<deboch>for the browser
10:03<deboch>but i can't test now the xchat cause i'm not at work ;-)
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10:03<deboch>i'm just askin if it is possible to do it without ntlmaps !!
10:04<dudester>yes it is possible
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10:06<c0rnd0g>what is the best ps to pdf converter for linux?
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10:06<Guest1191>no tengo ni idea, lo siento
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10:07<c0rnd0g>what is sientos meanos?
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10:07<c0rnd0g>que hor es???
10:07<c0rnd0g>eh, hora?
10:07<c0rnd0g>ok thanks
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10:07<Guest1191>es la primera vez que entro en linux
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10:10<Stereo>hi again
10:11<Stereo>I was wondering, before rewriting the wheel, how encrypted tape backups were usually done
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10:12<Stereo>I've found mentions of using gnupg, but that'll bork everything if one part is corrupted, won't it?
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10:15<dudester>Stereo, what's the question?
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10:17<Stereo>dudester: concretely?
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10:19<dudester>yeah what's your purpose
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10:19<Stereo>what do I add to tar -cf $TAPE / to encrypt the tape?
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10:20<Stereo>My purpose being to worry less if a tape gets stolen
10:20<chealer>manphiz: why would something be going on about
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10:22<manphiz>chealer, it seems nothing is going into repository for sometime. There's tons of packages stalled at i.d.o.
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10:22<Stereo>I was thinking mcrypt maybe
10:22<dudester>how about bcrypt
10:22<Stereo>bcrypt sounds fine too :)
10:22<chealer>manphiz: how much time?
10:22<dudester>but how about encrypting first and then make a tar of it
10:23<manphiz>chealer, maybe about 2 days IIRC. you may check yourself :)
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10:25<chealer>manphiz: I already checked myself. if it was 2 days, you'd have to see multiple packages from 16-Aug. there are only 13.
10:25<Stereo>dudester: that'd be tedious
10:25<Visnapuu>is there a network pro in here whit whom i can chat privatly
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10:26<fxiny>use an encrypted volume then
10:26<Stereo>cp -lar / /backup; find newdir -type f -exec gpg -e '{}' \; -exec rm '{}' \; ; tar -cf $tape /backup; rm -r /backup # would do it
10:27<Stereo>fxiny: an encrypted hard disk? That wouldn't change what's written to the tape
10:27<chealer>Visnapuu: just ask your question on the channel.
10:27<dudester>how much data are we talking about?
10:27<fxiny>Stereo: just a volume
10:28<Stereo>dudester: about 100G
10:28<manphiz>chealer, a "ls" in i.d.o returns 2852 packages currently :(
10:28<elvis>error: could nto launch menu item
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10:29<elvis>details: failed to launch child process so-to-root (no such file or directory
10:29<elvis>sorry it is su not so
10:30<fxiny>Stereo: mcrypt or truecrypt
10:30<chealer>manphiz: if you say so, so if it was stalled since 2 days you'd have to see more than a hundred packages from 16-Aug
10:30<Stereo>fxiny: mcrypt was the one I'd noticed, didn't know about truecrypt
10:31<elvis>can su-to-root be installed or found somewere?
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10:31<Visnapuu>my problem is if i install wireless-tools it shows i dont hawe network devise installed (if i click on top right corner of the screen(networking)), eaven after settings configuration in network manager(i hawe enabled my network card) but for some reason it doesent memorise deafult gateway (eth0). But if i uninstall wireless-tools then it dectects network but i cant insert wep key
10:31<fxiny>Stereo: i see you prefere bcrypt to ccrypt . maybe truecrypt is ok for you
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10:31<chealer>elvis: yes
10:31<Visnapuu>i hope you understand what i'm tring to say
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10:32<manphiz>chealer, oh ok, i got it this time. Maybe what I need is patience :)
10:33<elvis>chealer is it in apt-get?
10:33<elvis>cause i am root and it gave me that error
10:33<chealer>manphiz: i think so. you may be right that the number of packages uploaded during the last day is higher than unusual though.
10:34<Stereo>I have no particular preference for any *crypt program, as long as I can install it with apt :)
10:34<chealer>elvis: it's in the menu package
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10:34<chealer>elvis: the su-to-root binary is provided by the "menu" Debian package
10:34<elvis>whats menu package?
10:35<chealer>elvis: it's one of the thousands of packages in main
10:35<manphiz>chealer, yea, I should consider it as people are working much harder :)
10:35<fxiny>Stereo: bcrypt and truecrypt are both cross platform
10:35<Stereo>and mcrypt isn't?
10:35<elvis>ok cheakler how do i enable it as this server i working on is fookin awkward as it is showing half english and half foriegn
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10:37<troubled>Stereo: for what its worth, I support truecrypt 100%, excellent piece of work there, especially windows side gui
10:37<Visnapuu>my problem is if i install wireless-tools it shows i don't have network devise installed (if i click on top right corner of the screen(networking)), even after settings configuration in network manager(i have enabled my network card) but for some reason it doesn't memorize default gateway (eth0). But if i uninstall wireless-tools then it detects network but i cant insert wep key
10:38<chealer>elvis: enable what?
10:38<troubled>Stereo: plus linux side has absolutely _no_ issues decrypting the windows files either. Long as you dont mind cli
10:38<chealer>elvis: you don't need to enable su-to-root, you just install it
10:39<elvis>apt-get dont have it
10:39<chealer>elvis: ...if it's not already installed, as it should be by default
10:40<elvis>well i in root and got the error message i gave earlyer trying to access gproftpd
10:40<elvis>gproftpd been uninstalled and reinstalled aswell
10:41<elvis>how do i tell if it is installed?
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10:41<chealer>elvis: check if menu is installed
10:42<dudester>dpkg --get-selections| grep $packagename
10:42<Stereo>troubled: except it isn't in debian :)
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10:42<elvis>menu is not installed
10:42<elvis>i also see 9menu?
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10:43<troubled>Stereo: no its not, but its pretty easy install. all scripted provided you install the headers and a copy of the kernel source
10:43<elvis>chealer will i install menu?
10:43<chealer>elvis: I can't guess, but apparently you want to do that.
10:43<elvis>what about 9 menu?
10:44<chealer>elvis: 9menu is another unrelated package.
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10:44<elvis>ok menu is installing
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10:45<cTATUK>Hey, is it possible to set an HTTP/SOCKS proxy that the system will use for _all_ TCP connections?
10:45<elvis>ok it is installed?
10:45<Stereo>troubled: I'd really rather stick with what's in debian if mcrypt or bcrypt do what I want
10:45<dudester>cTATUK, yes with varables
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10:45<fxiny>Stereo: there is ccrypt too
10:46<chealer>elvis: how could be guess? if it was installing a minute ago, it's most likely installed
10:46<cTATUK>dudester: Which ones?
10:46<elvis>ahh chealer that worked thanks
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10:47[~]fxiny gets the antimoron number pill
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10:47<dudester>cTATUK, or with iptables
10:48<cTATUK>Do you know of a tutorial describing the process?
10:48<dudester>why do you want it anyway?
10:48<stuart>how do i dowbnload debian 4 update 1 CD images?
10:49<Stereo>ah, ccrypt for aes. Good.
10:49<fxiny>that's right : why why why ?
10:49<stuart>i can only find r0
10:49<cTATUK>dudester: Are you willing to explain?
10:49<fxiny>tell us
10:49<Stereo>stuart: they weren't out yesterday when I looked
10:49<Myon>Stereo: they are just being prepared
10:49<Visnapuu>my problem is if i install wireless-tools it shows i don't have network devise installed (if i click on top right corner of the screen(networking)), even after settings configuration in network manager(i have enabled my network card) but for some reason it doesn't memorize default gateway (eth0). But if i uninstall wireless-tools then it detects network but i cant insert wep key
10:49<stuart>roughly how long until youd expect them?
10:49<Myon>grab r0 and update against any ftp mirror
10:49<dudester>cTATUK, do you want a transparant proxy or something?
10:50<stuart>im installed, just wanna grab an case
10:50<Stereo>there's not much significant that's changed, you can just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade once you're done with the install and you'll be fine
10:50<cTATUK>dudester: Non-transparent.
10:50<Myon>no need for new cds
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10:50<stuart>i only downloaded the network install image, so i thought it might be a good chance to get the set of CDs lol
10:51<dudester>cTATUK, then explain what you want and why do you want it
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10:51<cTATUK>I already told you want I want, and the reason I want it is for personal security.
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10:52<dudester>so any tcp connections should go true your proxy ?
10:52<fxiny>Stereo: obviously if you can ignore such crossing . sticking to what debian provide "adds to the crypt" :)
10:53<Myon>grab an iptables manual
10:53<cTATUK>dudester: Yes, but if you don't understand then you should really shut the fuck up talking to me.
10:53<dudester>I already told you before iptables which is a perfect hint
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10:54<fxiny>cTATUK: hahahah you are always upset , good :P
10:54<cTATUK>!moron fxiny
10:54<dpkg>fxiny: You are moron #95
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10:54<azeem>cTATUK: please keep it constructive
10:54<fxiny>cTATUK: i've taken some magic pill : scroll back :P
10:55<cTATUK>Fuck you‽
10:55<Metalqga>statik nooone will help you
10:55[~]cTATUK shrugs
10:55<Myon>the ability to eod is a virtue
10:55<Metalqga>now say sorry to fxiny
10:56<azeem>Metalqga: please drop it
10:56<Myon>Metalqga: dont feed the trolls please
10:56<fxiny>Metalqga: hi met :)
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10:57<Metalqga>идиот си ти
10:57<azeem>Metalqga: uhm?
10:57<Myon>STOP IT
10:58<Metalqga>i hope he understood me
10:58<Myon>Metalqga: last warning
10:58<azeem>Metalqga: I hope you'll stop trolling, or you'll be silenced
10:59<cTATUK>Metalqga: Завершить до ебут.
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11:00<azeem>Metalqga: please dn't /msg people
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11:04<fxiny>Stereo: so what's your choice ?
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11:06<Stereo>fxiny: I'll do some benchmarks and pick the quickest :)
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11:16<beriti>hi there
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11:17<beriti>whats the command to open the windows for the choose of the apt-sources... (e.g.
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11:22<beriti>google says.. the name is "apt-setup".. but E: Couldn't find package apt-setup
11:23<Visnapuu>i cant still connect to internet. I can send a file whit lsmod, dmesg, ifconfig -a and dmesg | grep zd12 report. if it helps. There were some error in the last one. I use estonian debian so some plases may look little wierd
11:23<dpkg>apt-setup is, like, a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see Gone from etch and sid.
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11:24<beriti>any other program to generate a sources.list file?
11:24<laniz>does one need modutils if you have all drivers compiled into the kernel?
11:24<Metalqga>gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
11:24<laniz>beriti: apt-setup
11:25<beriti>i think it's removed in etch?
11:25<laniz>might be
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11:25<Visnapuu>i cant still connect to internet. I can send a file whit lsmod, dmesg, ifconfig -a and dmesg | grep zd12 report. if it helps. There were some error in the last one. I use estonian debian so some plases may look little wierd. PLEASE HELP
11:26<beriti>laniz: and now? :o
11:26<chealer>beriti: yes, software-properties
11:26<mbroeker>Visnapuu, paste the files and let the folks see what they can do for you
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11:27<Visnapuu>you mean in gere
11:27<beriti>it's a packet chealer? Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "software-properties"
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11:28<laniz>beriti: if you need an example sources.list:
11:28<cahoot>Visnapuu: /msg dpkg paster
11:28<Visnapuu>mbroeker: do you mean in here
11:28<chealer>beriti: no
11:29<mbroeker>Visnapuu, use a nopaste server
11:29<laniz>beriti: the available mirrors for the main repositories you can find on the debian website
11:29<laniz>debian-multimedia has alternative mirrors also i think
11:30<Visnapuu>nopaste server, whats that
11:30<cahoot>Visnapuu: /msg dpkg paster
11:30<mbroeker>^^ that s a nopaste server, Visnapuu
11:30<chealer>a paster
11:31<Visnapuu>i should get that kind of response is that right
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11:32<mbroeker>Visnapuu, yes
11:32<mbroeker>thats one line in the channel and thousand of lines elsewhere on the no-paste server
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11:33<ebw>does it make sense to have in sources.list for lenny?
11:33<Visnapuu> thats the right one
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11:34<Visnapuu>there is empty line before each report
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11:34<Visnapuu>hope you can help
11:34<chealer>ebw: yes
11:34<neoport0>were do i find about my device set up
11:34<neoport0>like the irq's
11:34<neoport0>and such
11:35<neoport0>on debian linux
11:35<mbroeker>Visnapuu, do you use a standard kernel ?
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11:35<chealer>Visnapuu: use $ LANG=C foo; to get foo's output in English
11:36<ebw>chealer: Aptitude complains about not being able to get lenny/updates/main Packages
11:36<mbroeker>Visnapuu, paste lspci -v too
11:36<laniz>neoport0: "man lspci" and "man lsusb"
11:36<laniz>what you are looking for is "more verbose output"
11:36<Visnapuu>i'll get those repots in english
11:37<Visnapuu>is there any more reports that i should get
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11:38<Visnapuu>ok i go get those reports (in english)
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11:41<ebw>chealer: what's wrong?
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11:41<mbroeker>lsusb and lspci will be a good starting point, visna
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11:43<chealer>ebw: what's the corresponding sources.list line?
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11:44<ebw>chealer: deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free
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11:48<chealer>ebw: please publish the full output of an update
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11:52<fads>hello, i have installed the sun-java package from non-free but swing apply with gtk looks and feel looks very bad (white foreground on white background.. not very usable).. does someone know how to workaround that?
11:53<ebw>chealer: will be back in minutes to do copy and paste need to change to X
11:53<fads>toggle the "apply" from the sentence :>
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11:53<fads>the prob specifically is menu items..
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11:55<ebw>Where can I copy and paste stuff without annoying you.
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11:56<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
11:58<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
11:59<ebw>cheasel: pasted the stuff to
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12:02<chealer>ebw: I can't find it. please paste the direct URL
12:02<Visnapuu>here are the reports. I added three lines between eatc hope you can help me whith my network i use zd1211rw
12:03<ebw>cheasel: did not accept it. I retried with a lower expiration time and now it appeared in the left list of authors, so I think now you should be able to find it. Excuse me.
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12:03<chealer>ebw: my nickname is "chealer"
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12:04<ebw>chealer: I apologise. Just change from console to x with very short short memory .
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12:07<Visnapuu>if you get any ideas and you cant contact me send me a e-mail i hope there isent no spammers in here
12:07<chealer>ebw: you should get the nick right if you use nick tab-completion anyway. do you get any warning if you remove security.d.o from your sources?
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12:09<ebw>chealer: Ahh, didn't know about tab-completion in my irc client, haven't been on irc for a year or so .. forgot a lot. No I don't get any errors if I just comment the lines ( deb and deb-src)
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12:10<Visnapuu>any ideas whats wrong whit my network adapter
12:12<chealer>ebw: if you put it back, do you get the warning again?
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12:14<chealer>Visnapuu: what's the problem?
12:14<ebw>chealer: Yes. Background: Want to upgrade to lenny, changed sources.list (first step) and got that error. No upgrading done so far.
12:14<ebw>chealer: Is it a good idea to just touch that file?
12:15<Tydor>i can't setup permission to write in the fat32 partition...i set permission to see and write...but..after click ok, the permission gone...
12:16<chealer>Visnapuu: ask for permission before sending a private message
12:16<Visnapuu>chealer: sorry
12:18<chealer>Visnapuu: please explain your problem here
12:18<Visnapuu>it sais that no network devise installed in upper right corner of the screen, although in network manager devise is there and i have configured it
12:19<Visnapuu>and i cannot connect to network
12:19<chealer>Visnapuu: do you get any problem if you don't use network-manager?
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12:19<esaym>I am installing debian-testing. I am at the screen were you can select the extra packages to be installed like "webserver" "dns server" ect. I see "Laptop" and I am wondering what all that will install. Anyone know or know where to find out?
12:19<esaym>I am trying to do a minimal install...
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12:20<mbroeker>esaym, dont klick desktop if you dont want to have a gnome session or similiar
12:20<chealer>esaym: yes
12:20<jae>What's fsck's "Operational Error"?
12:20<esaym>yea I am not. I usually just click the "standard system"
12:20<Visnapuu>chealer: if you mean configuring network in terminal then i don't know how
12:20<esaym>then you aptitude for everything else, I have a big text file for that
12:21<esaym>But I am wondering what all the "Laptop" package will install?
12:21<ebw>chealer: Yes I get the warning again.
12:22<mbroeker>esaym, your system works now basically. install the rest in the running system
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12:22<esaym>yea.. just curious what this laptop package is *scratches head*. I am on a laptop
12:22<amp>esaym: a bunch of powersaving related tools
12:22<esaym>although I think I know all the laptop packages I need though...
12:23<mbroeker>there is an expert option in the installer, isnt it? you can pick individual packages i think
12:23<Visnapuu>chealer: but otherwise no. I can configure network easily in network manager. But that network icon in upper right corner of the screen says when clicking on it that no devises has been installed
12:23<esaym>there is no list anywhere for what the packages contain?
12:23<amp>esaym: you can check later with "tasksel --task-packages laptop"
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12:24<the-dude>esaym , laptop hold packages for powermanagement, battery's and that kinda stuff
12:24<chealer>esaym: no
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12:24<Visnapuu>chearler: did you watch my reports at
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12:25<chealer>Visnapuu: yes, but I don't know network-manager.
12:25<chealer>ebw: sorry, I don't know.
12:26<esaym>oh ok thanks guy tasksel --task-packages laptop displays a bunch of bloat ;)
12:26<kevinl>can someone tell me if etch's 2.6.18 kernel package is comiled with these options? CONFIG_SERIO_RAW=y
12:27<Visnapuu>chealer: default networking tool in Debian. I'm using Estonian Debian so i don't know its English name.
12:27<chealer>!tell kevinl about kernel config
12:27<cahoot>Visnapuu: you are aware that everything but 'lo' should be commented out in /etc/network/interfaces if you use network-manager?
12:28<kevinl>thank you chealer
12:28<chealer>Visnapuu: yes...I "know" network-manager, I just never really used it. I don't can't help you with it.
12:28<the-dude>kevinl, yes , module, module
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12:29<kevinl>the-dude, im assuming the 2 modules are loaded automatically on pretty much all systems?
12:30<amp>the-dude: are you sure? I have module, yes, module
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12:30<Visnapuu>chealer: it writes interfaces file itself if i understand it correctly. I have checked that file and it looks fine to me
12:31<Visnapuu>chealer: but i'm beginner
12:31<kevinl>the reason i ask is that I am trying to get a touchscreen to work. The directinos say to: echo -n "serio_raw" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/driver:
12:31<kevinl>but that filename is a directory on my system
12:31<kevinl>hence i cannot echo text into it
12:32<the-dude>amp, raw=mod, mouse=yes, ps2=mod
12:32<chealer>Visnapuu: I'm even more beginner than you with network-manager. I can't help you.
12:32<amp>the-dude: yep
12:33<kevinl>would I need to configure something to get all of those features loaded?
12:34<the-dude>use lsmod 2 see if they are loaded
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12:34<Visnapuu>chealer: so in interfaces everithing else exept lo and my network settings should be commented out
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12:34<kevinl>serio_raw is loaded
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12:35<cahoot>Visnapuu: you might as well paste the interfaces file on the pastebin
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12:36<kevinl>the-dude/amp : any idea why /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/driver would be a directory insteaed of a node?
12:36<Visnapuu>chealer: but can you send your file in nopaste so i could understand it little better
12:37<chealer>Visnapuu: but I'm not using network-manager nor wireless on that box.
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12:38<the-dude>kevinl, which/what touchscreen are you trying too use?
12:38<kevinl>semtech , its on an Itronix GoBook III laptop
12:38<amp>kevinl: not, it's the same on my system
12:38<Visnapuu>ill see what i can find out
12:39<amp>kevinl: I mean: no, it's a dir also on my system
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12:52<Terr1>Does default debian install allow remote ssh root access? Dont think its always been like that, if its the case?
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12:52<Visnapuu>what is wrong whit my interfaces file
12:52<azeem>Terr1: the default install doesn't have ssh
12:53<azeem>Terr1: and even if you install openssh-server, it doesn't allow root login by default, I think
12:53<Terr1>default install then apt-get install ssh then :)
12:53<Myon>root login is allowed, afaict
12:53<Terr1>havent always been like that as I remember
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12:54<Myon>PermitRootLogin set to yes
12:54<cahoot>Visnapuu: comment out everything but the 'lo' entry
12:54<Myon>that's what README.Debian says :)
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12:54<Terr1>ok they must have changed it at some point I guess
12:54<cahoot>Visnapuu: i e put a '#' at the beginning of the lines
12:54<Terr1>wasent like that in the old days
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12:55<Visnapuu>but then how deban knows how to connect
12:55<fxiny>i'm sure is set to YES since woody
12:55<cahoot>Visnapuu: i e put a '#' at the beginning of the lines 9 ff
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12:56<Visnapuu>ill try
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12:56<Terr1>since july 2001 I found
12:56<cahoot>Visnapuu: then repaste the file so we can see it's as intended
12:57<fxiny>i've checked my notes , and yes , in woody i did changed it to no
12:58<cahoot>Visnapuu: you might want to change your WEP key later too if the one in the paste is the real one
12:58<Terr1>fxiny, was prob. back in 2001 then
12:59<fxiny>Terr1: i stared with woody . i never had assistance with potato
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13:02<fxiny>Terr1: as soon as it was released i ordered all 7 cds , kicked redhatta and set my brain on it . beer helped :)
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13:02<fxiny>i am a user since then and i proudly will always be a useer
13:03<m^3>beer always helps ;-)
13:04<fxiny>is in the movie :)
13:05<Terr1>fxiny, I was a hardcore redhat fan.. a friend of mine introduced me to potato release.. the package system won me over compared to rpm hell :)
13:05<Terr1>rpm was reeeeaaaly bad back in thoes days
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13:07<fxiny>Terr1: i don't hate redhat , i had a go with frebsd4 too : i have to say it was much better
13:07<bharathyd>fxiny, hi
13:07<fxiny>bharathyd: hi
13:07<bharathyd>fxiny, heyy can u tell me hoe to install flash player in debian
13:08<fxiny>bharathyd: copy it over down /usr/lib where it should be
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13:09<bharathyd>fxiny, dont we find any software packages regarding flash player
13:09<fxiny>bharathyd: not really debian-way but flash does not deserve respect
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13:10<bharathyd>fxiny, so u tell me to install it by downlaoding it from any wensite
13:11<fxiny>bharathyd: i hate that crap . my brain refuses to find a proper debian way to install it . i just kick taht uglu thing down /usr/lib after downloading it from "atrope"
13:11<bharathyd>fxiny, hmmm..ok i will also try that way. anyway thanks for replying
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13:12<fxiny>bharathyd: who on earth knows when the next flash bug will appear ? why i should care about versions ? when i will get a faster box i will install gnash
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13:13<piper>just add deb sid main (can maybe use stable instead of sid) to your source list, apt-get update, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
13:13<bharathyd>fxiny, hmm..ok u r from which country
13:14<m^3>isn't adopee offering a debpkg?
13:14<fxiny>bharathyd: i am from ba . a banana republic located in south europe :)
13:15<bharathyd>fxiny, thats from INDIA
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13:19<fxiny>bharathyd: oh , nice to hear debian news from India then :)
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13:20<bharathyd>fxiny, thanks, well im not a professional user just started using LINUX based OS from the past 20 days
13:20<bharathyd>fxiny, but i loved DEBIAN
13:21<fxiny>bharathyd: welcome to the right karma :)
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13:21<bharathyd>fxiny, do u know the mean of KARMA, how do u know it
13:21<fxiny>bharathyd: there is a package down apt-cache search libflash
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13:22<bharathyd>fxiny, well i tried the normal way. Just no wI downloaded the adobes .tar.gz file
13:23<bharathyd>fxiny, and i just confgured it , its working
13:23<Larks>Where does debian store information about software raid devices md0 md1 etc. I ask because I am trying to reinstall debian on an old configured software raid system, the installer cannot remove the md0 etc devices. Says in use.
13:24<fxiny>bharathyd: karma ? what is i say to you the best ever bread i had is the "naan" bread ?
13:24<Larks>I even ran dd and erased the MBR
13:25<bharathyd>fxiny, heyy i dint get wt r saying
13:25<weasel>Larks: well, there is /etc/mdadm/*, but really, that file is not authoritative.
13:25<weasel>Larks: the information is stored directly on disk, in md superblocks which are at the very end of the partitions involved
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13:25<Larks>weasel: it has to be more then a file... I have run fdisk and formated the entire drive.
13:26<Larks>weasel: aha at the end of the disk.. that was the info I needed.
13:26<Larks>weasel: thank you very much.
13:26<weasel>mdadm has a --zero-superblock if you need that
13:26<Larks>weasel: what would that command look like?
13:26<weasel>Larks: man mdadm
13:31<Larks>weasel: what steps do I need to take to delete an MD device?
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13:31<weasel>stop it, zero the superblocks.
13:31<Larks>weasel: yah thats what I am missing.. how to stop it?
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13:32<weasel>mdadm --stop /dev/mdfoo?
13:32<Larks>bah.. k
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13:32<weasel>or something close to it anyway
13:33<flub>hmm, how to set up disks: lvm on luks or luks on lvm?
13:33<flub>any best practices?
13:34<flub>is lvm on luks even possible?
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13:35<fads>the suggested way to set a global PATH?
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13:35<fads>(or at least one that is used by gdm)
13:35<weasel>lvm on luks is what the debian installer does iirc
13:35<weasel>fads: if it's just for you, how about ~/.xsession?
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13:36<fads>no, it is for somethings installed by root
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13:36<weasel>root shoult put it or a symlink into usr/local/bin
13:36<Larks>weasel: your help is much appreciated.
13:37<yos87>i want to run a program in a certain time I choose, I tried to use the package (at) But I couldn't use it, it's diffecult, and I didn't fine a website document it
13:37<flub>fads: /etc/profile is the canonical place i think
13:37<fads>flub, not used by gdm
13:37<weasel>yos87: if regularly, cron. if one, at.
13:37<fads>login.defs neither
13:38<yos87>weasel: what is croN?
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13:38<fads>weasel, you suggesting to put symlink from local/bin to the bins?
13:38<flub>bad gdm ;)
13:38<weasel>fads: yes.
13:38<fads>it is a bit boring :)
13:38<weasel>yos87: cron is what makes stuff run regularly.
13:38<weasel>no, it's the proper solution
13:38<fads>if you know a less boring way it would be appreciated
13:38<fads>ok, then suppose i need to set CLASSPATH
13:38<deboch>what is the package needed to play .rm files ? thanks
13:39<jesperj>Dhclient says: "Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!"
13:39<weasel>ewww. java.
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13:39<weasel>write a wrapperscript that sets CLASSPATH and put it into usr/local/bin
13:40<fads>really where the path come from?
13:40<fads>i have done a grep PATH -r /etc
13:40<fads>there are so many.. :)
13:41<Larks>Is there a major performance drawback to installing root filesystem on raid5?
13:41<jesperj>since I can't surf at the moment (think it's my ISPs dns servers), what does that mean? "Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!".
13:41<jesperj>Is it something to worry about?
13:41<yang>I upgraded the processor to core2duo and replaced previous linux kernel -k7 with -686. Now it ends in kernel panic error
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13:43<flub>jesperj: is that file /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases?
13:44<jesperj>flub, I only have the file dhclient-enter-hooks.d in that dir
13:44<mbroeker>yang: boot with hda=ide-scsi root=/dev/sda1
13:45<Larks>Anyone know of any major drawbacks to installing root filesystem on RAID5?
13:45<yang>mbroeker: i put these 2 lines into lilo.conf?
13:45<mbroeker>yang lilo ?
13:45<mbroeker>dont support that damn thing
13:46<yang>mbroeker: I don't know how to modify the lilo boot (when I press shift i can only choose between 2 kernels)
13:46<mbroeker>yes append it to the kernel line
13:46<yang>yes but where
13:46<mbroeker>yang pick up a rescue disk
13:46<mbroeker>and remove lilo from your drive
13:47<mbroeker>yang: assuming your kernel image is called vmlinuz, then enter
13:47<flub>jesperj: where does that error actually occur? and do you have a process name?
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13:47<mbroeker>vmlinuz append root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi
13:47<jesperj>flub, I can't surf so I can not pastebin
13:48<fads>/etc/Xsession.d seem the correct way
13:48<jesperj>so I'll join #flood
13:48<fads>now i test
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13:48<yang>mbroeker: ok...but after BIOS the LILO screen appears, if I shift it it drops me to two kernel options, is there a way to modify a kernel line there ?
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13:49<yang>mbroeker: or the only way is through rescue disk
13:49<mbroeker>yang forget the arrow key! choose two others from your keyboard and you will see!
13:49<jesperj>flub, if you want to join aswell I can show you some relevant info
13:50<yang>mbroeker: okay
13:52<yang>mbroeker: i wrote this line at boot: vmlinuz append root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi
13:52<yang>but it doesnt start booting
13:53<laniz>how can i find out where this bootpc service comes from that listens on port 68 on my box?
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13:53<mbroeker>yang try linux append ***
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13:54<mbroeker>yang, its either linux, vmlinux vmlinuz or a variation of it...
13:54<yang>I replaced vmlinuz with Linux ....but its ending with the same error
13:55<mbroeker>thats why i hate lilo.
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13:55<mbroeker>if something goes wrong, you re out of buisness
13:55<yang>so the best would be to replace with grub
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13:56<laniz>mbroeker: do you have a chance to boot the install CD into rescue mode or any other live CD?
13:56<mbroeker>yang yes: alternative: press enter and Watch out for the first line "Loading "thatsmyname"...."
13:57<mbroeker>laniz, yes. of course. i have a propper knoppix usb stick in my pocket.
13:57<mbroeker>laniz, but yang seems not to have such a swiss army
13:57<laniz>mbroeker: perfect. boot that and see whats in /boot then fix either the lilo or the grub config
13:58<laniz>oh no, i mixed up persons. i am sorry
13:58<mbroeker>laniz, my sys is working
13:58<laniz>yes, i should focus on my own problem. sorry
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14:06<laniz>that bootpc service listening on port 68 has to do with my dhcp client?
14:06<weasel>very likely
14:06<laniz>i can stop chasing it then :D
14:07<weasel>netstat -p would have told you, wouldn't it?
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14:07[~]laniz tries that
14:07<weasel>-p wants root to be useful
14:07<kevinl>hi folks, I have instructions to set up a touchscreen driver in linux. it says to echo -n "serio_raw" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/driver . This filename is a directory on my system. I am trying to enable "raw" reporting of the touchscreen device . Any hints please?
14:08<laniz>weasel: thanks for that tip! might be time to study the man page of a few tools more carefully for such nifty features
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14:11<Larks>Where can I find the major differences between 2.6.18-4-amd64 and 2.6.18-5-amd64?
14:12<laniz>yeah, via you can view the changelog
14:12[~]lupine_85 thinks apt-get changelog should work :/
14:12<lupine_85>it would be pretty handy
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14:13<ole>any danish people here?
14:13<laniz>lupine_85: do you have both kernel versions on your system?
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14:15<chealer>Larks: in the changelog
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14:19<laniz>"dpkg --compare-versions" looks promising
14:20<laniz>no, thats something else
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14:25<lupine_85>laniz: I'm on .21
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14:48<Metalqga>what is your favourite rescue cd?
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14:57<mbroeker>Metalqga, something on an usb stick.
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14:57<mbroeker>Metalqga, a cd doesnt fit in my pocket.
14:58<Metalqga>you can install any livecd on a usb i think
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14:58<Metalqga>nomatter shoot
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14:59<mbroeker>i have copied knoppix 5.x on a 1Gig Flash Drive
14:59<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment.
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15:00<Metalqga>this is superb double thanks
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15:10<weeman>hi there ! Im looking for some help regarding setting upp qpopper ? or link to good howto
15:10<weeman>quite new to debian
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15:13<zms>Situation: installing using testing d-i (2.6.21-2) on RAID on LVM. Install has almost finished except that it defaulted to LILO and I suspect that it did not generate new initrd to boot from RAID+LVM. I started a shell and verified in /target/boot and new initrd wasn't there. I mounted /proc and bound /dev and chroot'ed to /target, and apt-got grub.
15:14<zms>Help needed: 1) "grub-install /dev/md0" complains "could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." I am stumped. :( 2) mkinitramfs for new kernel (2.6.21-2-686) still looks for /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-486. How do I make it look for /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686?
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15:16<lupine_85>zms: grub can't boot a kernel from an lvm drive
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15:18<lupine_85>mkinitramfs defaults to the current running kernel. Just append the kernel version to the runline to override that
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15:18<lupine_85>but by the sounds of it, you need to resize a pv to reclaim some space for a partition to put your boot kernel on
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15:19<Major>i`m sorry people, can i talk russian here?
15:19<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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15:19<Major>thnks :)
15:20<zms>lupine_85: tried the mkinitramfs with append.. says "missing mapper/rootvg-root root /dev/mapper/rootvg-root /sys entry"
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15:20<zms>missing from where?
15:20<ritalou>can someone tell me what is the equivalent of dir dos command on debian 3.1
15:20<lupine_85>ritalou: ls
15:20<zms>ritalou: ls?
15:20<ritalou>tried it
15:20<ritalou>it says :
15:20<lupine_85>zms: why aren't you using update-initramfs -k <version> anyway ?
15:20<lupine_85>ritalou: yep
15:21<lupine_85>what's wrong with that?
15:21<Major>ls|more - it`s like dir in DOS
15:21<ritalou>ok thanks
15:21<lupine_85>Major: that's more like dir /p
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15:21<lupine_85>ritalou: you probably want ls -l
15:21<lupine_85>or, more likely, man ls
15:21<lupine_85>or maybe dir /w
15:22<lupine_85>yay for superfluous information taking up screen acreage
15:22<ritalou>ok ls -l give more information and it's more "readable"
15:22<zms>lupine_85: wasn't aware of that one. Tried. Same error - "missing mapper/rootvg-root root /dev/mapper/rootvg-root /sys entry"
15:22<Major>lupine_85, yes. i am too search this variants some time to make it easy for uotput :)
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15:23<zms>ritalou: you may also try "ls -F"
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15:23<zms>ritalou: and "ls -Fx" for a variation
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15:24<ritalou>what is "
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15:24<lupine_85>haha. "ls -FQlxC --color=always |more"
15:24<lupine_85>ritalou: a shell script... presumably it installs trm
15:24<zms>ritalou: sounds like installer for some program
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15:25<lupine_85>zms: you probably want to mount --bind /sys
15:25<lupine_85>well, /sys /target/sys, but you know what I mean
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15:26<zms>lupine_85: ls -FQlxc <-- "l" is useless here, I think.
15:26<ritalou>i'm connected to a debian 3.1 server with RSS
15:26<lupine_85>ah, so it is
15:26<lupine_85>Are you /sure/ it's rss?
15:27<ritalou>no SSH excuse me
15:28<ritalou>the only files on it (or that i can see) are:
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15:28<Major>hm.. maybe it`s a good idea to make a packet that can transform all DOS console commands to linux like sintax.. maybe it useful for migration purposes.. how you think?
15:29<xayon>Hi, I'm reading the "new developer's guide" spanish version.I'm Going to package a set of perl scripts, and I can't find any info about that. They're simple perl scripts and I'm thinking of putting them on "/usr/share/scriptname", the config files on /etc/scriptname/config and link to the perl scripts in /usr/bin. Is there anything wrong with that. Where can I find more info about that?
15:30<zms>Major: I do not recall at the moment but I think something like this exists.. anyways one can setup alias'es for the same
15:30<ritalou>installer_la_cle mean : install the key (it's in french)
15:30<ritalou>what do you think?
15:30<zms>Major: like so: "$ alias dir=ls" in .bash_profile
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15:34<Major>zms, ok. it`s good, but many people can`t do that by own hands because his don`t know what is that a system and how it be useful. many new people is too lazy to read manuals of course. you right - it`s good and useful.
15:34<weasel>Major: ` is not the same as '. ' is the character you want.
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15:36<Major>weasel, ok. thank you.
15:36<ritalou>what is RTM?
15:36<weasel>Read The (Fine) Manual?
15:37<weasel>or, "context?"
15:37<xayon>I mean, I suppose I must do a makefile. So might i do a makefile with only the install target?
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15:39<xayon>weasel, context : P
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15:47<lupine_85>ritalou: /msg == ftl
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15:48<lupine_85>[21:28] <Major> hm.. maybe it`s a good idea to make a packet that can transform all DOS console commands to linux like sintax..
15:49<elvis>dos to console is daft
15:49<xayon>lupine_85, yes... I can't find any use on that, i mean... who uses dos actually? ;-)
15:49<lupine_85>I used it a couple of days ago
15:49<lupine_85>it made me remember exactly why I <3 linux
15:49<Starkonovich>I would rather have the opposite, so when I have to use a Windows box I can use ls :p
15:50<lupine_85>ls.bat is your friend
15:50<lupine_85>or, you know, cygwin
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15:51[~]lupine_85 is amazed that anyone who doesn't know 'ls' could actually get ssh access to a linux box
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15:51<lupine_85>eee, ah tell thee. things 'aint like wha' they used ta be
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15:53<wiredoptix>could someone help me with this bug in debian 4.0. I get my mouse to turn into 4 arrows like im moving a window but i cant click on anything. so i have to ctrl alt f1 out of gdm to restart X. How can i fix this problem. It happens a lot with browsers and vbox.
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15:56<lupine_85>wiredoptix: that's a new one on me
15:56<lupine_85>alt+mouseclick moves windows
15:56<lupine_85>mouse/keyboard driver bug?
15:56<wiredoptix>could be gmd?
15:57<wiredoptix>it totaly wont let me do anything after it happens
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15:57<wiredoptix>it mostly happens when i have browser open
15:57<wiredoptix>but it happens else where to
15:58<lupine_85>sounds like a false correlation to me then ;)
15:58<lupine_85>TBH, I don't have a clue where to start debugging something like that
15:58<wiredoptix>hmm, i hope i can find a bugfix for it or something
15:59<wiredoptix>its the only thing thats making me mad lol. everything else is flawless
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16:01<zms>wiredoptix: may be it happens when you are doing/visiting something specific?
16:01<zms>wiredoptix: some weird plugin?
16:02<wiredoptix>nah, it happens with diff progs aswel
16:02<wiredoptix>im not sure
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16:02<wiredoptix>its depriving me from a better deb experience
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16:04<wiredoptix>would you have any idea xms?
16:05<zms>wiredoptix: not really. just a guess.
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16:06<wiredoptix>i end up using elinks because it happens to often with browsers
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16:08<wiredoptix>i wonder if anyone has this prob
16:08<wiredoptix>its got to be recorded somewhere
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16:10<cameronvale>how do I make my g++ package and libstdc++ packages play well enough together so they can compile rtorrent?
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16:14<peterS>cameronvale: if you got both g++ and libstdc++ from Debian, it should be fine. but then again, why not also get rtorrent from debian
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16:15<cameronvale>is such and old version, isnt it?
16:15<nox->hmm... are there (unofficial?) versions of the etch netinst iso that use a later kernel? i seem to need this patch,
16:15<cameronvale>0.7.7 "irl" and debian package has 0.6.4
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16:17<nox->(installer's kernel doesnt see pata disk on promise controller, board is an asus a8v)
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16:21<peterS>oh, true in debian stable. unstable has 0.7.4. frankly I haven't noticed the difference yet. but then I'm one of those odd folks who doesn't understand why software is supposed to "expire" when the version isn't current
16:22<peterS>anyway, I haven't tried compiling rtorrent, but there is no reason to believe g++ and libstdc++ are incompatible, if you get them both from debian. after all, they're both built from the same source (the gcc package)
16:23<cameronvale>no its not that
16:23<cameronvale>nothing has expired here
16:24<peterS>some people seem to believe that, though. "OMG, debian only has version N, whereas version N+2 is out!!! I must upgrade manually!!!"
16:24<cameronvale>peterS, found rakasha stateing that on the same exit error
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16:24<cameronvale>well, this was n+22
16:24<cameronvale>so thats a huge leap
16:25<peterS>it's only huge depending on how big each point release is. for some software, a point release is "some subsystem has been totally rewritten", for other software it is "I fixed 3 typos in the man page"
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16:25<peterS>I don't know, maybe rtorrent 0.7.x is noticeably cooler than rtorrent 0.6.x. I am not a heavy user, so I can't say I ever noticed.
16:26<cameronvale>anyways, I didnt pop in to argue about what version to use :|
16:26<peterS>right. well. what errors are you getting? you can use your favorite pastebin to illustrate.
16:26<cameronvale>I really like the depth and options you get
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16:27<cameronvale>you can skip files, prioritize files etc etc
16:27<cameronvale>many good new things has appeared
16:27<cameronvale>didnt I paste a pastebin url?
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16:28<cameronvale>we start getting warnings at 522
16:28<peterS>cameronvale: oh sorry, missed it
16:29<cameronvale>548 is key i think
16:29<cameronvale>"/usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/local/lib/, may conflict with"
16:29<nox->y do you use another version of libstdc++?
16:30<peterS>cameronvale: well. /usr/local/sigc++ makes me wonder. why not use the debian package 'libsigc++-2.0-dev'?
16:30<nox->does the new rtorrent need a new one of that too?
16:30<cameronvale> dpkg --get-selections | grep libsigc
16:30<cameronvale>libsigc++-1.2-5c102 install
16:30<cameronvale>libsigc++-2.0-0 install
16:30<cameronvale>libsigc++-2.0-0c2a install
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16:30<cameronvale>sorry about that
16:31<peterS>cameronvale: well, it's finding something in /usr/local. I guess that means you have something in /usr/local. debian packages don't install their stuff there, so that tells me you have a local install of that library. that is probably what is fouling things up
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16:32<wiredoptix>could someone help me with this bug in debian 4.0. I get my mouse to turn into 4 arrows like im moving a window but i cant click on anything. so i have to ctrl alt f1 out of gdm to restart X. How can i fix this problem. It happens a lot with browsers and vbox.
16:32<cameronvale>i seem to have three packages installed in that flavour
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16:32<peterS>cameronvale: you got kicked for flooding so I didn't see - but do you have libsigc++-2.0-dev along with the other things? that is what g++ will need. see if you can get rid of the local install somehow (or at least move it out of the way so the rtorrent build doesn't find it)
16:32<cameronvale>libstdc++5 , libstdc++6 and libstdc++6-4.1-dev
16:32<flub>anyone remember what the boot parameter is to get into the initramfs shell?
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16:33<cameronvale>peters, it ended there
16:33<peterS>not offhand, flub, I'd probably unpack the initramfs and read the '/linuxrc' or '/init' script, to find out
16:33<cameronvale>tjree packages
16:34<peterS>cameronvale: libstdc++ is not the same as libsigc++, note
16:34<peterS>I know the names look similar (:
16:34<cameronvale>I know
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16:34<zoLev>hi! how to run 'sim-im' in bash?
16:34<cameronvale>you can see in the names that
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16:34<ranix>zoLev: whatis sim-im?
16:34<cameronvale>im looking at line 548
16:34<cameronvale>thats why im looking into this package
16:34<flub>peterS: hmm, the hard way then... fair enough, thanks anyway
16:35<peterS>well. I don't know what to tell you other than what I've already told you. for some reason you are being coy about telling us whether or not you have libsigc++-2.0-dev installed. I already told you you need that, and you need to get rid of the /usr/local thing. I'm afraid that's all I have.
16:35<peterS>line 548 makes it clear enough that this will be a problem. the copy of libsigc++ you have in /usr/local was not built for the current g++ but for an older g++
16:36<cameronvale>peters, i told you. those are the three packages i got installed in libsigc (?)
16:36<peterS>(current g++ uses stdc++6, older g++ used stdc++5 - I forget whether the cutoff was g++-3.3 or g++-3.4)
16:36<peterS>and I told you what you need
16:36<peterS>it's up to you now
16:36<ranix>you have the power, man
16:36<cameronvale>peters, but line 548 talks about libstdc?
16:36<peterS>it talks about both
16:36<peterS>but it is libsigc++ which is causing the problem, trust me on this
16:37<cameronvale>so install the dev package?
16:37<nox-><cameronvale> libstdc++5 , libstdc++6 and libstdc++6-4.1-dev
16:37<peterS>and make sure the copy you already have in /usr/local is not used. probably by removing or renaming it.
16:37<zoLev>ranix -sorry, i'm a really LAMER! :-)
16:37<nox->you have both 5 and 6 installed?
16:38<peterS>nox-: that's common, and harmless
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16:38<zoLev>i'm just only now first time in linux
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16:38<neoport0>i cant seem to find my irq and hardware infos
16:38<neoport0>can someon please help me
16:38<ranix>haha zoLev don't say that, everyone was new once
16:38<peterS>neoport0: cat /proc/interrupt
16:38<peterS>I mean /proc/interrupts
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16:39<peterS>neoport0: but on most modern PCs you don't have to worry much about interrupts, as everything is plug-n-play. run 'lspci' to see your PCI devices, which will be the bulk of your interesting hardware
16:39<peterS>see also 'lsusb'
16:39<ranix>zoLev: I don't see a package for 'sim-im' in apt-cache, perhaps google for some source you can compile?
16:39<peterS>(those are in the 'pciutils' and 'usbutils' packages respectively)
16:39<zoLev>well, i runnig Xaos, but can't start sim
16:40<ranix>zoLev: or 'apt-cache search icq' for a different icq client
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16:40<peterS>wait, wtf is Xaos?
16:40<ranix>zoLev: xaos is a fractal generator?
16:40<peterS>ah yes, so it is
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16:40<zoLev>very beatuful applicationsorry for my English...
16:41<neoport0>keeps telling me permission denied
16:41<neoport0>and i do su root
16:41<ranix>zoLev: there are international channels also, if you are better with another language
16:41<cameronvale>trying to recompile after moving some /usr/local stuff
16:41<amphi>zoLev: yeah, xaos is amazingly fast
16:41<peterS>neoport0: hrrm. you shouldn't need to be root to run lspci or cat /proc/interrupts
16:41<elvis>try su
16:41<ranix>zoLev: but you're doing fine in english in my opinion
16:41<neoport0>i do the lspci
16:42<neoport0>but it dont give me the irq's
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16:42<peterS>the IRQ numbers of PCI slots don't really matter much. for one thing, most PCI drivers have no problem with interrupt sharing. but I told you several minutes ago about how to find all the interrupt numbers in use
16:42<zoLev>fasst? is a priorytate?
16:43<streuner>neoport0: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
16:43<cameronvale>peters: "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/lib/' or unhandled argument `/usr/local/lib/'"
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16:43<peterS>cameronvale: sounds like you need to rerun configure, probably
16:43<cameronvale>doing it now
16:43<cameronvale>make clean first
16:44<peterS>since it thinks it can find the stuff in /usr/local/lib
16:44<neoport0>the reason i wanna find the irq and stuff is
16:44<neoport0>so i can try to run freebsd also
16:44<peterS>cameronvale: did you move sigc++ stuff away from /usr/local/include as well? that's probably important too
16:45<peterS>neoport0: trust me, freebsd will set up your PCI devices just fine without knowing interrupt numbers. PCI is very plug-n-play friendly, compared to a lot of legacy interfaces
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16:45<cameronvale>lets hope it can manage "on the fly" removal
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16:45<neoport0>what about my onboard eth0 card
16:45<cameronvale>dies much earlier now
16:45<neoport0>for dsl
16:45<peterS>neoport0: your onboard eth0 is almost certainly PCI-based
16:45<peterS>neoport0: also, for more information than you ever wanted to know, try 'lspci -v'
16:46<peterS>(that includes irq numbers)
16:46<neoport0>holy crap
16:46<neoport0>ty peters
16:46<Tuplad>Guys, I modified the file /boot/menu.lst, therefore I needed to chmod 0777 it. The actuals rights were -rw-r--r-- (like all the others in the folder). How can I put those rights back on that file ?
16:46<cameronvale>completely broken now :(
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16:47<cameronvale>going to try more tomorrow
16:47<ricky>Never use 777.
16:47<peterS>cameronvale: you did or did not install libsigc++-2.0-dev, like I told you about 6 times?
16:47<Tuplad>ricky: it was read only
16:47<ricky>Tuplad: Then you sudoedit it.
16:47<Tuplad>ricky: good idea
16:47<peterS>Tuplad: anyway, the answer is 0644
16:48<xayon>I've got a very hard problem, When I create or delete files, and I do "ls" again, doesn't appear any change
16:48<neoport0>another question with this computer
16:48<neoport0>when istalling feebsd
16:48<xayon>s/hard/strange :D
16:48<ricky>Tuplad: And it should probably be chmodded 600, since it can contain a password hash, tc.
16:48<ranix>xaos doesn't use the framebuffer?
16:48<Tuplad>peterS: wonderful, thanks!
16:48<ranix>too bad
16:48<laniz>xayon: are the files in use by anything? (check with lsof)
16:48<Tuplad>ricky: it doesnt containt a password or a hash
16:48<neoport0>the mother board i using is a amd about 1 yr old with a 2g and above processer does that mean its a amd64
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16:49<xayon>laniz, No.
16:49<petemc>peterS: could i bother you to have a look at
16:49<ricky>Tuplad: I know. If you set a password on grub, though (which is recommended), then it will.
16:49<laniz>xayon: and when you delete the file you get the prompt back without an error?
16:49<peterS>neoport0: I don't know. try this: grep " lm " /proc/cpuinfo <-- with quotes and spaces exactly as shown
16:49<Tuplad>ricky: oh, ok then :) what is the password good for ?
16:50<xayon>laniz, No... and not again with creating a directory, no errors...
16:50<ricky>Tuplad: Restrict modifying boot parameters more.
16:50<peterS>petemc: I'd start by simplifying the two loops to one: for j in `find $FOLDERS/*/mail/ -type f`
16:50<peterS>petemc: and the "" in the for j line are probably screwing things up
16:50<Tuplad>ricky: oh, would it be of any interest for me ? Im the only user of this computer :]
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16:51<ricky>Tuplad: Possibly not, then.
16:51<ricky>(If you're the only person with physical access, etc.)
16:52<Tuplad>with physical access, yes: )
16:52<neoport0>how would i find that info out in winblows
16:52<peterS>neoport0: if the grep command returns one or more "Flags :" lines, you have an amd64. if not, you don't
16:52<peterS>I have no idea how to get that information from windows. though there is probably a "My Computer -> Properties" drop-down menu that will show your CPU and memory information in some form
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16:53<ranix>there isn't really any information there, peterS
16:53<peterS>shrug. this isn't #windows, so that's the best I can do
16:53<ranix>neoport0: download CPU-Z from if you want that in windows neoport0
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16:54<peterS>if I had a copy of windows anywhere nearby, maybe I could help further, but I don't
16:54<petemc>peterS: i need it to process one user at a time tho, taking all their subfolders, converting them to maildir and putting them in $MAILDIR/$i/.$original_subfolder_name
16:54<petemc>or maybe im misunderstanding..
16:54<peterS>petemc: oh I missed the fact that you use $i later
16:55<peterS>petemc: anyway, the "" in for j in "`find $FOLDERS$i/mail/ -type f`" is probably messing that up
16:55<lupine_85>control panel->system
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16:55<petemc>peterS: any suggestions as to how i could make sure what i pass to mb2md is quoted them?
16:55<peterS>petemc: also, just for readability, I'd use $( ) rather than ` ` everywhere. shells have supported that for the past 10 years now
16:55<petemc>roger that
16:56<peterS>petemc: if you have spaces in filenames, I'm not sure you _can_ quote it when used that way. best you could do is probably run find .... | while read j; do ...
16:56<peterS>rather than a for loop
16:56<ranix>you can single quote that way with spaces in filenames
16:57<petemc>peterS: yup, find /folders/ -type f |(while read $REPLY".. works
16:57<peterS>ranix: single quotes don't help you much when you actually have to do variable or $( ) interpolation, though. as is the case here.
16:57<petemc>peterS: i just dont know how to get that included with the for loop then, which i need to make it do it for each user
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16:57<peterS>petemc: ... | while read j; do mb2md -s "$j" -d "$MAILDIR$i/.$(basename $j)"; done
16:58<peterS>petemc: i.e., _replace_ the for loop with a while loop which is piped from find
16:58<peterS>I mean, the inner for loop
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16:58<petemc>right, ill try that - thanks :)
16:58<peterS>and no need for () around the while loop - the fact that it is a while loop will keep it atomic, shell-parsing-wise
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16:58<petemc>great, ta
16:58<ranix>$( foo ) would give you the output of the command foo, similar to `foo`?
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16:58<ranix>where ` is grave
16:59<peterS>ranix: identical. except that $( ) can easily be nested, and is IMO more readable
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16:59<ranix>peterS: I will keep that in mind, thank you
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16:59<peterS>ranix: thus you can do $(foo -bar -blegh $(something else))
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17:00<peterS>try that with ` and you find yourself using \` on the inner command, which gets ugly fast
17:00<peterS>mainly for me it's just the readability aspect. no need to squint to figure out if the ` are actually ` or '
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17:01<zoLev>sorry,what is ctrl+alt+F1? what happs with operative memory?
17:01<ranix>zoLev: there are six virtual terminals
17:02<peterS>zoLev: it just switches to virtual console 1. you have have up to 64 virtual console screens, all running different applications, if you want. most people only use 7
17:02[~]peterS uses 25
17:02<ranix>25 good lord
17:02<peterS>well, for some definition of use. I usually only use about 14 of these
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17:02<ranix>peterS: what do you do?
17:02<peterS>but I have 25 defined
17:03<peterS>the point being, I can quickly switch using alt-f1 through alt-f12 and AltGr-f1 through AltGr-f12
17:03<peterS>and to get to 25, which is where X lives, I just hit alt-f1 alt-left
17:03<zoLev>no, only 4?i/m in Live-CD
17:03<peterS>but the reason to define 24 text consoles plus what X uses is so I never run out. like I said, I usually only use 12 to 15 of these
17:04<ranix>what do you do with them
17:04<amphi>I used to have 22, but these days I find myself in X all the time, so I just have two ;)
17:04<peterS>and yes, I do the horribly insecure thing and have getty auto-log me on to many of these, so I don't have to type a password a zillion times when I boot
17:05<zoLev>Can I to run , for example, a XXMS in virtual console?
17:05<peterS>ranix: let's see. vc4 is always screen-running-irc. vc8 is screen-running-mutt. vc5 is elinks. vc7 is a script running vlock in a loop, so I can quickly lock the session just by hitting alt-f7 and a key. vc 12 runs tail -f on my apache log. vc 24 is screen-running-cplay. vc 6 is a root login.
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17:06<ranix>peterS: that's kind of unusual
17:06<peterS>ranix: 1-3 and 9-11 I use for general random shell work. 13 does a highlight ping thing by scanning my irc logs, to supplement what the irc client does. 15 is a different framebuffer resolution, so I can run mplayer without X (mplayer can't zoom in framebuffer mode).
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17:07<zoLev>anybody knows a Chat for Knoppix's users?
17:07<peterS>so the screen-running-mutt and screen-running-cplay have several embedded windows, one for each interesting mailbox, one each for cplay/alsamixer....
17:08<amphi>zoLev: #knoppix on perhaps?
17:08<ranix>peterS: My terminals and my desk are very similar. There's no organization anywhere, and whatever is on top is probably what I'm working on right now. Things buried I have forgotten about. When I need to do something I dig it up or fire up screen
17:08<peterS>I used to use vc 1 for xemacs, but these days I run that in a screen session too, so I can detach and free up vc1. I therefore use 'gnuclient -nw' as my editor, with the master xemacs process safely confined to a screen session so it doesn't eat a tty or X window anywhere
17:08<zoLev>thanks, I'm try it.
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17:09<peterS>(yes, folks, xemacs is as useful in console mode as in X mode. the name is misleading.)
17:09<ranix>that is misleading
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17:10<ranix>I still use vi
17:10<peterS>well, vi is light enough that a client/server mode for it doesn't really make sense
17:10<peterS>for emacs and xemacs you want that though
17:10<ranix>is emacs really that involved?
17:10<peterS>i.e., you run one master xemacs process and then you run 'gnuclient' every time you want to edit a file, and it tells the master to please open such-and-such tty and such-and-such file and let the user edit the file in that tty
17:11<peterS>well, startup time is just long enough that I like to only do it once
17:11<peterS>though to be honest, gnuclient sometimes takes a beat to start too, if I'm badly swapped out
17:11<flub>does it actually open the file in the tty you're working on?
17:11<peterS>flub: yep
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17:12<peterS>flub: then you use ctrl-x 0 to close the file and close the tty
17:12<peterS>flub: and the calling application (like mutt in 'send' mode) thinks the editor exited, so it continues
17:12<flub>Ooo, nice
17:12<flub>i tried that once with mutt and emacs but got it opened in the main windows
17:12<flub>(that was in X)
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17:13<peterS>flub: opening a tty in emacs client mode is something gnu emacs couldn't do until fairly recently. a big advantage of xemacs, back in the day. I think gnu emacs can do it now, but I haven't tried in awhile
17:13<flub>ah, i was using gnu emacs..
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17:13<peterS>flub: also, gnu emacs can't mix X and non-X use in the same process. so if you're using emacs in X, you can't use 'emacsclient -nw', for example. I always pass -nw to gnuclient (the xemacs equivalent to emacsclient), to make sure it never uses X, since I prefer the console mode
17:14<peterS>in fact I have alias g='gnuclient -nw' and I edit files with g
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17:14[~]weasel edits peterS's shellrc to alias g to vim
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17:14<simonrvn>peterS: it can, using gnuserv and a small hack included with it
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17:15[~]simonrvn does it
17:15<peterS>simonrvn: I thought that was just in unreleased emacs 22
17:15<ranix>dpkg, start an editor war
17:15<dpkg>edlin is known to repel members of the opposite sex
17:15<simonrvn>it's released now ;)
17:15<peterS>wait, what is edlin's sex?
17:15<weasel>and does it work for mosquitos too?
17:15<ranix>dpkg, what is edlin's gender
17:15<dpkg>ranix: I think you lost me on that one
17:15<simonrvn>depends if you consider edlin to be a male or female name ;p
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17:16<peterS>I expected dpkg to say "but what is already something else"
17:16<petemc>peterS: superb, thats working
17:16<peterS>petemc: good deal
17:16<petemc>peterS: it never occured to me i could just wedge a find in there
17:16<petemc>so simple :)
17:16<ranix>what happened to the bot apt?
17:16<petemc>thanks again
17:16<ranix>he used to be a friend of mine
17:16<peterS>well, you have a find already, just a matter of looping via 'while read' rather than via 'for' (:
17:16<peterS>ranix: see
17:17<peterS>apt lives
17:17<ranix>oh, it's good to know he is well
17:17<peterS>"he"? I can't remember what apt answered last time someone asked its gender
17:17<ranix>probably "but what is already something else"
17:18<simonrvn>like dpkg does ;)
17:18<creeed>hello, i have troubles to play dvd on mplayer! i execute mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/hdb and get this error libdvdread:check_value failes in ifo_read.c***, I'm a newbie but already googles before coming here, any help will be very thankful.
17:18<dpkg>I'm not sure
17:18<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
17:19<peterS>join us now and share the methane
17:19[~]simonrvn chokes on the methane
17:19[~]simonrvn 's eyes water
17:20<abrotman>i didn't do it!
17:21<simonrvn>not this time :P
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17:24<xayon>in wich package can i found dh_make ? I cant make apt-cache (It's a large history and I couldn't repair it till tomorrow)
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17:25<dpkg>i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see
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17:25<ricky>xayon: debhelper?
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17:25<peterS>xayon: the package is actually named dh-make
17:25<peterS>xayon: since debian package names can't have _ in them
17:25<ricky>Oh, never mind :(
17:26<Lars>iam searching for a very, very small mp3 player per command line
17:26<peterS>Lars: mpg321 is as small as you can hope for
17:26<ranix>Lars: there are two I haveused. madplay and mp3blaster
17:26<xayon>peterS, Oh! ok, thanks, didn't tough that :P
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17:26<Lars>mp3blaster is to big
17:26<ranix>Lars: check madplay and mpg321
17:27<peterS>madplay presumably uses libmad, so it's probably pretty similar to mpg321, which also uses libmad
17:27<peterS>(mad being the integer-based mpeg 1 layer 3 decoder, being integer-based helps get around some alleged patents)
17:27<xayon>peterS, one thing more: How can I make a package containing a perl script? I mean, It's only like a normal package but in the makefile put only the "install" option?
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17:27<peterS>xayon: yeah. if you don't need to compile, you don't need to compile. just install it into the appropriate place.
17:28<peterS>xayon: if it's a perl module or something, which uses the CPAN conventions, you might want to use dh-make-perl to get started, rather than dh_make
17:28<xayon>It's a perl script, but might depend on some perl modules
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17:29<Lars>madplay is fine, thx a lot
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17:31<flub>if lvs shows the logical volumes, why don't they show up in /dev/mapper/ ?
17:31<ranix>np Lars
17:32<flub>i have the pv of it on a luks volume, if that matters
17:32<weasel>is the vg active?
17:32<slept>I am looking for a ms pacman clone with wich it is possible that the screen flips over such that 2 players can sit on two sides of the screen/table ... any idea how to google that with less words is fine aswell
17:32<ranix>at work, our fileserver uses madplay to play background music for the phone system
17:32<ranix>this is a cause of some chagrin on my part
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17:32<zms>which graphics drivers suit Intel DG33FB board?
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17:33<flub>weasel: i can see it with vgs... not sure what you mean by active
17:33<c4>how should i use dd to delete with /dev/zero all the /dev/hdb disk?
17:34<weasel>flub: paste the output of vgdisplay on
17:34<c4>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb ...?
17:35<peterS>zms: google reveals that it uses the intel 3100 graphics chip, which unfortunately doesn't seem to talk about
17:35<peterS>zms: so that's a good question. I suppose Intel intend to support it with the 'xserver-xorg-video-i810' debian package (in stable, the unstable package is named 'xserver-xorg-video-intel'), but I dunno if it's supported yet
17:36<ranix>IIRC unstable supports up to i915
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17:36<ranix>or something similar
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17:36<ranix>we had this problem with someone last week
17:36<zms>peterS: I tried i810.
17:36<weasel>flub: what does 'vgchange -a signy' do?
17:37<weasel>or vgchange -a y signy
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17:37<peterS>zms: well - xserver-xorg-video-intel in unstable and testing is significantly newer than xserver-xorg-video-i810 in stable. so it may actually be supported in more recent editions of
17:37<zms>G33, I believe, has been out for quite sometime now.. (a year?)
17:38<zms>peterS: I did install xserver-xorg-video-intel. Any specific driver that I could try?
17:38<chealer>zms: did you try vesa?
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17:38<flub>weasel: ah, now they're there!
17:38<zms>chealer: Not yet. will try now
17:38<peterS>zms: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say? I'm curious about what this 3100 chip actually is
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17:39<flub>i was assuming vgscan or so would do that, vgchange -a y seems rather obscure
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17:39<weasel>assumptions are ok, as long as they hold :)
17:39<c4>peterS: what is bs=? count=? to erase all the 80GB disk?
17:40<chealer>zms: I suppose intel and vesa.
17:40<peterS>c4: I wouldn't bother with dd, just 'cp /dev/zero /dev/sdb' or whatever
17:40<flub>thanks btw
17:40<peterS>c4: or if you want to make life harder for people wanting to throw thousands of dollars at recovering your data, 'cp /dev/urandom /dev/sdb'
17:40<c4>peterS: that cp line should works?
17:40<zms>peterS: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation unknown device 29c2 (rev 02)
17:40<peterS>this will be a lot slower, note
17:40<peterS>c4: yeah
17:40<c4>ok, ill do that so
17:41<lupine_85>peterS: wha???
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17:41<lupine_85>don't do that
17:41<peterS>lupine_85: don't do what?
17:41<lupine_85>dd is designed for that job, not cp
17:41<zms>chealer: Do I just replace driver name with "vesa" in xorg.conf?
17:42<peterS>zms: well and make sure xserver-xorg-video-vesa is installed
17:42<zms>peterS: thanks
17:42<chealer>zms: you probably want to use # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; unless you already edited xorg.conf manually
17:42<peterS>lupine_85: BS. cp works just fine. dd and cp do pretty much exactly the same thing, but cp has a simpler command line interface and is somewhat more efficient
17:42<lupine_85>or, better yet, use a program designed for data wiping
17:43<peterS>lupine_85: I bet you haven't even tried it, you're just spouting received knowledge about how dd is supposed to be necessary when reading or writing block devices
17:43<chealer>zms: which Debian suite do you run?
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17:43<zms>chealer: just installed testing and dist-upgraded to sid
17:44<peterS>lupine_85: dd is nice when you actually want to use bs= or count= or skip= or seek= or conv= or some such. but for zeroing out a partition, there's no particular need for any of those things
17:44<zms>chealer, peterS: vesa did show some open up a terminal.. guess xorg.conf will need some tweaking
17:45<chealer>zms: run #update-pciids; then re-run lspci
17:45<lupine_85>peterS: for anything but the most trivial protection, neither dd or cp do enough, TBH
17:45<peterS>chealer: that won't affect the functioning of his drivers
17:46<lupine_85>package secure-delete would be a better bet
17:46<peterS>lupine_85: how many people actually have enemies/competitors who actually would be willing to throw thousands and thousands of dollars at recovering their data? I mean honestly
17:46<peterS>I sure don't
17:46<chealer>peterS: no, but it will let us know the chipset...and teach him something useful :)
17:46<peterS>nobody would pay even $200 to recover any of my data, I guarantee it
17:46<lupine_85>how many people actually need any sort of "secure" wipe at all?
17:47<zms>peterS: actually it did. The message from lspci is more informative now
17:47<lupine_85>it's a peace of mind thing
17:47<peterS>anyone who wants to pay more than $200 to recover my data can come talk to me, I'm sure we can work out a deal
17:47<peterS>"you want my old mail archives? and you're willing to pay what? sure, here you go"
17:48<lupine_85>presumably c4 has been downloading illegal pr0n or something
17:48<peterS>any data I wouldn't be willing to sell, like my developer password, is encrypted anyway
17:48<zms>chealer: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02). And yes, I did learnn. :)
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17:49<lupine_85>you have no valuable data at all?
17:49<chealer>zms: so, yeah, that should be supported by intel and vesa
17:50<zms>how do I now figure out which exact driver would be right for this?
17:50<peterS>lupine_85: I didn't say that. I said any data I wouldn't be willing to sell, given a decent price, is encrypted
17:50<peterS>I'm not saying you can have read access to my disk for $15. reasonable price.
17:51<peterS>gnupg and the like
17:51<lupine_85>ah. weird. I have all sort of unencrypted stuff I wouldn't be willing to sell
17:51<peterS>well. I suppose I'd also have to make an exception to a certain small amount of data that is on my disk that doesn't actually belong to me (software developed for a client).
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17:52<peterS>but I wouldn't lose sleep over someone stealing that - it doesn't belong to me anyway - I'll do due diligence to avoid giving it away, but if someone steals it, someone steals it
17:52<chealer>zms: unless it doesn't your chipset, intel is the best driver.
17:52<chealer>s/your/support your/
17:53<peterS>how disappointing: "Your search - dg33fb - did not match any documents."
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17:53<peterS>but then, that site has never had a huge amount of info on it anyway
17:54<zms>chealer: vesa does help but it won't do maximum possible resolution, I think. But yes, I will have graphics. :)
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17:54<peterS>anyway. once you 'cp /dev/zero /dev/sda', we're talking at least 5 figures to recover anything off that disk. if anyone wants to give me 5 figures for some of my data, we should definitely talk.
17:54<zms>peterS: :( I know
17:55<peterS>and I suspect it might run more toward 6 figures
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17:57<peterS>lupine_85: I note that when I got a laptop to work recently and went to install debian on it, I did go for a cryptoloop install. I figure that way I can keep more sensitive data on that thing without having to worry (laptops are a lot more prone to theft than standard PCs)
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17:58<chealer>zms: right, that's why you should go for intel, unless you're usign Etch, in which case you may want to consider the question.
17:59<peterS>chealer: well, that's if the intel driver works. he did try it already.
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17:59<zms>chealer: vesa does seem to help but like you said I should try Intel. Question is which one?
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18:00<chealer>peterS: really? I see he said he tried i810.
18:00<zms>i180 did work. I do not know what next to try. :(
18:00<peterS>chealer: yeah he tried xserver-xorg-video-intel, he said. that is just a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-i810, in truth
18:00<zms>s/i180 did/i810 did not/
18:01<chealer>zms: there's just one real "intel". there's the older version in Etch called i810, and the one in lenny which seems to support your chipset.
18:01<peterS>zms: there's only one driver for newer intel video hardware and it's the one you've already tried. the one named -i810 is a lot older than the one named -intel, but it's the same driver
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18:01<chealer>peterS: I see he said he *installed* xserver-xorg-video-intel, but not that he tried it.
18:02<peterS>hmmm. is the xorg driver named 'intel' now, or did they keep the 'i810' name?
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18:02<zms>chealer: will try "intel"
18:03<peterS>ha - both and are shipped. I'm guessing that means you can call it either thing
18:03<chealer>peterS: the former
18:04<peterS>(according to
18:04<zms>chealer, peterS: 1) unable to open /dev/agpgart and 2) couldn't allocate video memory. There's no video ram line in xorg.conf.
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18:05<chealer>zms: please publish your X log.
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18:05<peterS>zms: the agpgart thing would probably mean the kernel agp driver isn't working. what kernel version do you have, and what is your AGP bridge? lspci | grep AGP
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18:05<zms>chealer: 2 mins
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18:07<zms>chealer: it's 37K. Can I paste all in pastebin?
18:07<chealer>yeah, I think that peterS is right
18:08<chealer>zms: I think so. worth a try.
18:08<peterS>zms: I'm interested in your kernel version and 'lspci | grep AGP' output first
18:08<peterS>zms: since I think your core problem might just be that
18:09<Tranqgreen>how do you move backwards through a journaled fs to fix a mistake
18:09<chealer>$ lspci | grep AGP; outputs nothing here
18:09<peterS>chealer: not all AGP bridges have the word "AGP" in their descriptions. you might try 'lspci | grep Host'
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18:10<peterS>chealer: or just 'lspci -tv' and look at the bridge that the graphics card branches off of
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18:12<tcsetattr>oh that lspci -t is neat...
18:13<chealer>never saw it, but I don't understand what it means :)
18:13<chealer>the first command outputs something
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18:14<Tranqgreen>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xdvdshrink_2.6.1.8-0.0_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/', which is also in package dvdshrink
18:14<Tranqgreen>will someone please explain that error to me ?
18:15<ricky>That package is trying to overwrite another package's file?
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18:15<weasel>file serious bugs against both
18:16<zms>peterS: I am sorry but can you please repeat what you said my core problem was.. by the time I swicthed to this console it had scrolled up and I have no way to scrolling back up. :(
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18:16<Tranqgreen>ricky: that is what I thought it said but I cant find the
18:16<weasel>one each for having the .sh
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18:16<peterS>zms: interesting, your AGP bridge is probably that first line, 8086:29c0. which is not mentioned, btw, in the kernel source, as of 2.6.21. nice.
18:16<weasel>and one for shipping the same file
18:16<peterS>zms: I'm downloading the 2.6.22 kernel source now (I didn't happen to already have it), I'll check the agp driver in that to see if it's been added
18:16<zms>chealer: kernel 2.6.21-2-686
18:16<peterS>zms: (the source file in question is drivesr/char/agp/intel-agp.c)
18:17<zms>lspci | grep AGP => no result
18:17<peterS>zms: right, try 'lspci -vt' and note the bridge that the graphics chip branches out from
18:17<tcsetattr>char/agp/intel-agp.c:#define PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_G33_HB 0x29C0
18:18<peterS>tcsetattr: from 2.6.22? good deal (I'm still applying patch-2.6.22.bz2)
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18:18<tcsetattr>yeah, it was added in patch-2.6.22
18:18<peterS>so I see
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18:19<peterS>zms: so your problem is probably that kernel 2.6.22 added support for your AGP port. (AGP is the bridge that the graphics chip is connected to, it's like PCI but faster for certain graphics applications)
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18:19<peterS>...and you're running 2.6.21
18:20<peterS>zms: reading the source, it looks as though the G33 is handled slightly differently from the I965, so you can't just try the next thing I thought of, 'modprobe intel-agp try_unsupported=1', as that is not likely to work quite right
18:22<zms>peterS: I am not sure if I got what you wanted here.. VGA seems to branch out from [0000.00] 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller and is branch 02.0
18:22<peterS>zms: the differences are very small, but may be significant. apparently the G33 and the i965 aren't terribly different from an AGP bridge perspective
18:22<zoLev>what is X window?
18:23<chealer>zms: peterS already diagnosed your problem. you need to finish the upgrade to sid.
18:23<tcsetattr>there's also some related changes in drivers/char/drm/i915_dma.c
18:23<zms>peterS: I anyways did modprobe "intel-agp" (using 'intel' driver) same old result
18:24<peterS>zms: yeah, you're on kernel 2.6.21, whereas the changes to support your chip went into 2.6.22
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18:24<peterS>zms: if you're running sid, you can install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 and reboot into that and things might suddenly work
18:25<zms>peterS: started installation of 2.6.22-1-686 :)
18:26<zms>peterS: if you do not mind.. do you write these X programs?
18:26<peterS>no, I only read them sometimes (:
18:26<peterS>i.e., given PCI ID information, I know where to look in the Linux kernel to find out whether it's supported and how similar it is to other chips
18:27<zms>I am always amazed at people like chealer, you, valdyn, gravity and others.. awesome.
18:28<zms>so many more.. dondel, abrtman...
18:28<Tranqgreen>I got it fixed. used aptitude to remove xdvdshrink's config files and then reinstalled and cake
18:29<chealer>abrotman uses GNOME, though
18:29<tcsetattr>/usr/bin/ was categorized as a config file?!
18:29<abrotman>who what?
18:29<peterS>gravity would have known this stuff a lot quicker than I would have, probably. he keeps on top of X driver development, even though he isn't the one in charge of all of it
18:30<chealer>oh, he's there. hi abrotman. we're not talking in your back.
18:30<peterS>do the 'bortman
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18:31<abrotman>chealer: uhm .. okay
18:31<zms>I was just commeting and complementing on the quality of people and help that I have got in #debian
18:31<peterS>glad to help when I can
18:31<peterS>I just hope my theory about the kernel AGP driver turns out to be your only problem. it may only be the first of multiple problems, after all
18:32<peterS>line 330 of your paste "(--) Chipset G33 found" is encouraging
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18:32<zms>peterS: *grin* I have to be very careful while rebooting, I have just changed kernel, bootloader and am on RAID+LVM.. might end up with nothing...
18:33<peterS>zms: heh, indeed. that's a lot of software you have to trust not to screw up
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18:36<zms>peterS: see you on the other side of the reboot
18:36<peterS>!bless zms
18:36<dpkg>O $DEITY, bless your child zms, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen.
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18:38<GhostlyDeath>how can I make it so when computer goes to sleep it saves a resume image like going into hibernation but puts the computer on standby (low power mode) and when I come out of sleep it resumes and deletes the image?
18:39<GhostlyDeath>In a sense, I want to accomplish Hybrid Sleep
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18:42<morgan>Hello, I am trying to install MRTG on my box but when I try to restart snmpd I get 'start-stop-daemon: command not found'
18:42<alaya>GhostlyDeath: aptitude install hibernate. run 'sudo hibernate' in a console and see if it works
18:44<GhostlyDeath>alaya: I can hibernate
18:45<alaya>GhostlyDeath: well that is what you asked for
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18:46<alaya>GhostlyDeath: except with hibernate it actually powers off. with sleep it doesn't power off, but there is no image
18:46<GhostlyDeath>alaya: I want to suspend to RAM and Disk and go into low power mode
18:47<GhostlyDeath>it pains me when I find my computer died in it's sleep
18:47<alaya>GhostlyDeath: hibernate turns off power. standby saves to ram and goes into low power mode.
18:47<GhostlyDeath>alaya: I know
18:47<atrus>alaya: hybrid sleep is a combination of the two.
18:47<GhostlyDeath>alaya: Hybrid sleep is what I want
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18:48<alaya>ah cool idea
18:48<atrus>which sounds kind of cool for a desktop machine, not so much for a laptop.
18:48<GhostlyDeath>cool idea or me
18:48<alaya>what is the advantage though of it?
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18:48<GhostlyDeath>my laptop plug is kind of broke and someone usually moves my laptop and it starts discharging
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18:49<GhostlyDeath>after awhile it dies
18:49<alaya>i see. the only real advantage is a faster resume
18:49<zms>chealer, peterS: yay! It works!
18:49<alaya>not really a big deal unless power on from hibernation happens to take a really long time
18:49<peterS>zms: the X server comes up with the intel driver, without issue?
18:49<zms>2.6.22 with 'intel' comes up no issues
18:50<atrus>alaya: you get the fast resume of suspend-to-ram, but the power-outage-survival of hibernate (at the cost of the slowness of the hibernate image-creation process)
18:50<peterS>I wish all computer problems could be solved as easily as upgrading to a newer debian kernel
18:50<zms>apart from the fact that my gnome is fully installed yet.. but it works!
18:50<alaya>GhostlyDeath: but considering it still has to read the data back from the disk, whether it was sleeping or powered off, how much of an actual time benefit is there really?
18:51<zms>Thanks a lot, peterS, chealer. Appreciate your help.
18:51<atrus>alaya: that's just it, it doesn't read the data from the disk unless there's been a power outage.
18:51<alaya>FTA: "On the downside, going into Hybrid Sleep mode is slower than normal Sleep mode"
18:51<GhostlyDeath>waking up from hibernation is faster than booting (for me)
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18:51<alaya>atrus: ah ok. that makes sense.
18:51<GhostlyDeath>alaya: I dont care for speed
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18:52<alaya>if anyone here is a power expert, i have a TP x40 which does not standby nor hibernate correctly. it fails always at "suspending console(s)" i think i may have read about it being some kernel bug related to ATA. anyone know about it?
18:53<GhostlyDeath>so, hybrid sleep, if still sleeping, wake up and resume from LAN - if the computer died, plug it in or charge the battery for a bit and resume from disk
18:53<GhostlyDeath>not LAN, RAM*
18:53<GhostlyDeath>Network Suspend anyone?
18:53<alaya>another annoying thing is that regardless of whether i tell it to standby or hibernate, it appears to always run through the hibernation process
18:54<peterS>suspend is a twisty maze of modes that work, modes that don't, frameworks that work, frameworks that don't, hardware that works, hardware that works if you tweak it, hardware that doesn't
18:55<weasel>and *then* it becomes really complicated
18:55<alaya>peterS: power management generally sucks
18:55<GhostlyDeath>I need a fusion reactor for my laptop
18:55<peterS>apparently it was pretty OK back in the APM days. that's when the BIOS took care of almost all the details, you just had to poke it and say "please suspend kthx"
18:55<alaya>and then they completely change all the sysctls ever other kernel release :-)
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18:56<peterS>but nowadays, with ACPI, the BIOS only does a little bit, and expects the OS to do most of the work
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18:57<GhostlyDeath>I remember my old PC could sleep in DOS
18:57<GhostlyDeath>Press the power button and it would beeo 3 times then go to sleep, press it again and it would beep once and wake up
18:57<zms>with acpi DG33FB+SATA HDDs freezes at "ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0"
18:58<zms>with acpi=off, it goes okay
18:58<GhostlyDeath>I dont use acpi
18:58<GhostlyDeath>I use powersaved
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18:58<GhostlyDeath>err apmd*
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18:59<bigHT>Has anyone been trying to install lirc kernel modules in testing recently
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19:00<GhostlyDeath>Think modifying the sleep script will allow me to do it?
19:01<flub>hmm, what to do when a initrd misses a binary? it needs vgchange...
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19:03<peterS>flub: I'd just try a different initrd generator. the one in yaird and the one in initramfs-tools are both supposed to work
19:04<flub>hmm, after dissecting all the scripts in initramfs i don't feel like changing ;)
19:06<bigHT>If anyone can help me, here is my problem:
19:06<flub>oh, wait. it doesn't get to needing vgchange
19:07<flub>the cryptsetup luksOpen fails with: Command failed: Can't get device information.
19:08<bigHT>I'm using module-assistant to install the lirc kernel modules. The package doesn't compile properly. My release is lenny (testing).
19:08<flub>in fact the /dev/hda device isn't there... surely that's not good
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19:15<kamiro>Hello, Does anyone know how to bridge my wireless interface with my ethernet interface. I'm not talking about NAT. i want to use my laptop to connect a desktop PC to the same local lan that all the wireless clients are connected to.
19:16[~]flub wishes there was an editor in the initramfs image
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19:21<tcsetattr>kamiro, apt-get install bridge-utils
19:22<flub>since when do ATA disks appear as /dev/sd? ?
19:22<lupine_85>kamiro is the gone
19:22<lupine_85>flub: since 2.6.18ish?
19:22<lupine_85>when they started going through libata
19:22<tcsetattr>since SATA caused people to start viewing ATA differently
19:23<tcsetattr>if it's not a SATA disk, you can still use the good old IDE driver, which gives /dev/hd*
19:23<flub>Ooo, it seems i missed that event till now...
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19:24<flub>so does it depend on the order of the drivers being loaded?
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19:27<bigHT>Could anyone runnng lenny/testing please try 'm-a auto-install lirc' to see if it works on your system?
19:27<petemc>check the bts
19:28<jairus>algum brasileiro
19:28<chealer>!tell jairus about br
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19:34[~]flub is booted in lvm on crypto, finally!
19:34<flub>lets just hope i manage to fix the initrd before the next reboot..
19:34<udo>!tell udo about bots
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19:35<GhostlyDeath>why does IOWait get locked at 100%
19:35<xe>I have a problem with file /lib/init/
19:35<xe>it is supposed to exist but it doesn't exists in my system
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19:36<bigHT>xe: it exists in mine
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19:36<xe>it is supposed to be in package initscripts
19:36<lupine_85>proprietart nVidia driver ftl
19:36<xe>but it doesn't
19:37<bigHT>dpkg -S /lib/init/ says initscripts
19:37<dpkg>Badgers ate my /lib/init/ says initscripts!
19:37<xe>I'm using debian 4.0 testing
19:37<tark>hey everyone
19:37<tark>i have something wierd that happened
19:37<xe>bigHT, in my system dpkg -S /lib/init/ says nothing
19:37<xe>and dpkg -L initscripts says:
19:38<xe>"/lib/init/readlink" only
19:38<xe>the only file under "/lib/init" is readlink
19:38<tark>using debian lenny i installed sauerbraten. then i removed the game and since the games listed in my gnome-menu aren't sorted alphabetically anymore...
19:39<bigHT>xe, a is in my listing.
19:39<tark>has anyone ever had the issue ?
19:39<xe>(just only posting the path '/lib/init' from dpkg -L command output)
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19:40<chealer>tark: check the BTS
19:40<xe>bigHT, ok, but it is not in mine. which version of initscript package you use?
19:40<xe>mine is 2.86.ds1-1
19:41<bigHT>xe: mine is 2.86.ds1-38.1
19:42<GhostlyDeath>how the hell?
19:43<GhostlyDeath>I s2both, pc shut off, then I turned the pc back on and then I come here and i'm still connected
19:43<tark>chealer nothing in there
19:43<tark>i looked around already
19:44<xe>bigHT, may you send me your file?
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19:44<tark>i was wondering if anyone in here knew how to make the icons of gnome menu appear sorted alphabetically
19:45<flub>tark: does it has to do with your locale?
19:45<flub>just guessing randomly
19:45<tark>flub don't think so
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19:46<tark>it really came from installing and removing that game
19:46<tark>only the games tab of my gnome menu has been affected
19:46<bigHT>Dont know how to do that xe, but you can just download the deb from
19:46<tark>i'm trying installing the game and removing it again
19:47<tark>but surely there must be a way to control the way gnomemenu acts
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19:47<Tuplad>anyone can hook me up with a man that talks about windows commandline and linux command line ? I used the command netstat, ipconfig /all etc. a lot in windows, but it's getting tricky in debian :)
19:48<bigHT>xe, my guess is that your initscripts has been held back for some reason during updates.
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19:50<alaya>Tuplad: its ifconfig in the unix world
19:50<Tuplad>command not found :\
19:50<xe>bigHT, ok, I will try, but I've apt-filed looking for lib/init/
19:50<alaya>Tuplad: just read the man pages for them. yeah, ifconfig is in /sbin which is not in regular user's $PATH
19:51<xe>and apt-file didn't find it in my sources.list repositories
19:51<Tuplad>alaya: oh allright :)
19:52<alaya>Tuplad: if you're using bash you can append your path in ~/.bash_profile
19:52<alaya>or system-wide in /etc/profile
19:52<Tuplad>interesting, thanks !
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19:53<alaya>Tuplad: you can also use sudo to run them with root privileges, since without them you can only read interface info, not change it
19:54<alaya>Tuplad: man sudoers if you want to learn how to do certain commands passwordless
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19:54<Tuplad>alaya: I figured sudo out, a bit :)
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19:55<xe>bigHT, I've sent you a prv msg with my sources.list (only 3 lines)
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19:56<wutbox>how do I connect via SSH using hostname instead of IP on a LAN?
19:57<Starkonovich>You need some sort of name resolution setup.
19:57<Tuplad>alaya: but it seems that you can run ifconfig only under root ?
19:57<alaya>wutbox: if the IP is static, add an entry in the hosts file
19:58<alaya>man hosts
19:58<Requiem>how hot should a motherboard get?
19:58<alaya>Tuplad: as i said, it can run as regular user, but not change interface parameters
19:58<Requiem>Ah, perfect
19:58<NotLim>celsius, i mean
19:58<alaya>Thermal 1: ok, 61.0 degrees C; Thermal 2: ok, 61.0 degrees C
19:58<NotLim>maybe less, 45º
19:59<Tuplad>alaya: I see.
19:59[~]Requiem also notes that she has a long way to go before this processor starts to overheat... 32 degrees, right after spending 15 minutes running CPU burn
19:59<Tuplad>and is there a command to see what version of linux, kernel, uptime and all that info about your OS ?
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20:00<noooby>hey all
20:00<alaya>Tuplad: uname; uptime
20:00<Tuplad>not necessary
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20:00<Tuplad>oh, great !
20:01<noooby>so my proble ist my server share inet so i will go with my laptop on internet but he say me host not foudn with ping
20:01<noooby>some one told me i have to chang in the resolv.conf some thing but what
20:01<wutbox>so to set a static IP, do I do it to my router, or to my box?
20:01<alaya>NotLim: yeah i'm probably sterile from having this thing sitting on my lap too
20:02<NotLim>welcome to the club
20:02<Starkonovich>wutbox: your box. Are you trying to do this on a Linux machine, or are you SSHing from another OS?
20:02<alaya>wutbox: DHCP?
20:02<alex__>Requiem: motherboard shouldnt get hotter than 50c - more than 55c start to worry - CPU 60c - 65c+ start to worry and shutdown
20:02<wutbox>I have a debian box that I want to SSH into from another Linux machine
20:02<wutbox>what is the best way?
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20:02<alaya>Starkonovich: not necessarily. it can be set statically a number of ways
20:02<noooby>what i have to type on a client resolv to get acces on
20:03<Starkonovich>wutbox: imho, easiest way is a host entry as alaya mentioned.
20:03<alaya>Starkonovich: shut up please
20:03<alaya>unless you know the situation and can actually help him, it only misleads
20:04<noooby>plzz help
20:04<Starkonovich>alaya: he's all yours then.
20:04<alaya>the first thing is to ascertain if the machine is getting its address from the router via DHCP, don't you think?
20:05<alaya>because adding a hosts entry for a dynamic address in that case would be stupid, no?
20:05<wutbox>hmmm... I don't know if this matters, but I am running my connection through a wireless switch that is getting it's signal from a router and letting me plug in wired.
20:05<alaya>but while i am trying to ask him to find out in order to help, you are giving him half-ass answers which only confuse
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20:06<nox->noooby, does your nat box forward dns too? then you can point resolv.conf at it (`nameserver <nat box' ip>'), oderwise use the one that the nat box uses
20:06<Starkonovich>alaya: Instead of being an ass, why don't you continue to help him then? I also said all yours. Seriously, jerk.
20:06<noooby>oki i explain
20:07<Requiem>Alex: Don't think I have anything to worry about CPU-wise...
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20:07<Requiem>Now, the lack of a spinning fan on my power supply, that worries me
20:07<alaya>Starkonovich: i thought it was more jerk-like to tell people to edit their system config without even knowing the full situation first. but that is just me.
20:08<noooby>i got inet by wlan from my university to my server by dhclient so after that my server share inetenrt to the other computer but i dont know that i have to type in the resolv.conf on my client pc
20:08<bigHT>instead of flaming, could you please help me with the 'm-a auto-install lirc' not working issue?
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20:08<bigHT>I use lenny (testing) and the crap just won't compile.
20:09<alaya>bigHT: why not pastebin the error msg?
20:09<amphi>wutbox: assign a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces, that is outside the dhcp range of your router
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20:10<alaya>or else have the router assign a static IP to it via dhcp.
20:10<wutbox>how do I do that?
20:10<alaya>in the router config
20:10<amphi>wutbox: tell the rotuter always to assign a particular ip address to a given mac address
20:11<petemc>most sane dhcpds will keep a record of macs and assign the same ip anyway
20:11<petemc>'course, you wouldnt want to rely on that
20:11<wutbox>does it matter that is a switch?
20:11<petemc>a switch that does dhcpd?
20:11<petemc>i think not..
20:11<wutbox>it is actually a wireless print server or something that has a built in switch
20:12<wutbox>it connects to a wirelss network and then lets me plug stuff into it
20:12<bigHT>sure, but it's pretty big
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20:12<bigHT>sed -e "s!\$KVERS!`sed -n -e '/UTS_RELEASE/s/^[^"]*"\([^"]*\)".*$/\1/p' /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h`!g; s!\$KSRC!/usr/src/linux!; s!\$KARCH!i386!; s!\$KEMAIL!!; s!\$KMAINT!!; s!\$KDREV!"Custom.1.00"!; s!\$DEBDATE!Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:47:50 +0200!" debian/ > debian/control
20:12<bigHT>/usr/bin/make -f debian/rules clean
20:12<bigHT>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
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20:15<HTbig>Ooops, sorry about that.
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20:17<alaya>!tell HTbig about pastebin
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20:19[~]Tuplad waves.
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20:20<simonrvn>!tell HTbig -about paste
20:20<simonrvn>!tell HTbig -about paster
20:21<HTbig>Thanks. Here's the build log:
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20:21<alaya>HTbig: what module are you trying to install?
20:23<HTbig>All of them I guess. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source a number of times but I still cant get anything to compile.
20:23<alaya>what is lirc?
20:23<HTbig>Linux infrared remote control.
20:24<HTbig>(kernel modules)
20:24<alaya>!tell HTbig about module-assistant
20:24<HTbig>That's what I'm using!
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20:25<alaya>if that doesn't work, maybe the source has an issue with your kernel
20:25<HTbig>I've also tried to comple the module 'manually' whith the debian/rules script but it still desn's work.
20:25<alaya>i would google around for help then
20:26<HTbig>My kernel is the standard testing kernel 2.6.21-2
20:26<alaya>um yeah. did you follow the steps in the factoid i just sent you?
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20:27<chealer>HTbig: please let the command too
20:28<chealer>oh, m-a auto-install lirc
20:28<alaya>looks like it couldn't find a kernel header file.
20:28<alaya>oh wait the headers are installed
20:29<alaya>are you using some other lirc source or the one in testing?
20:29<HTbig>Did yours compile?
20:29<alaya>sometimes you have to delete /usr/src/modules/lirc... before running m-a if you've recently updated the modules-source package
20:29<HTbig>Done that
20:30<alaya>then maybe its broke with that kernel or something. i really don't know.
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20:31<HTbig>Well, thanks anyway. If yours didn't compile either then maybe we should submit a bugreport.
20:31<alaya>you could look at the relevant lines in lirc_dev.c but i think you're getting more into a headache than it might be worth
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20:31<alaya>i would google the exact error, the line about linux/config.h not being found
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20:32<HTbig>Done that too. It seems to me that the lirc-modules-source expects a full kernel to comple against.
20:32<petemc>doesnt m-a install the headers?
20:32<petemc>have you tried aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ?
20:32<alaya>based on the paste output the headers are installed
20:32<chealer>petemc: yes
20:33<petemc>right ho
20:33<alaya>"make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21-2-k7'"
20:33<petemc>i wasnt following..
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20:34<alaya>HTbig: you could look at the relevant line(s) in lirc_dev.c and try to figure out exactly which linux/config.h it expects to find
20:34<chealer>HTbig: did you check the BTS?
20:34<HTbig>What is BTS?
20:35<chealer>!tell HTbig about bts
20:35<HTbig>Here's the include #include <linux/config.h>
20:36<alaya>yeah but that's a path relative to what??
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20:37<alaya>there are probably a lot of paths like that all over. which exact one(s) is it looking for?
20:38<HTbig>That depends on the -I in the Makefile. I'm looking for that right now.
20:39<HTbig>$(MAKE) -C drivers SUBDIRS="lirc_dev"
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20:39<alaya>at any rate, i would check BTS first so you're not duplicating effort that's already been done ;-)
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20:40<HTbig>Sorry, I can't figure out how to decipher this makefile. It's too messy.
20:40<HTbig>Should I post it?
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20:41<HTbig>I've already checked BTS. This bug does'nt seem to be an issu in lenny.
20:41<tcsetattr>it's best to think of kernel Makefiles as a completely separate language that just happens to be recognized by GNU make... than to try to understand them as if they were normal Makefiles
20:42<HTbig>Thanks for the support. My binary is a bit rusty.
20:42[~]alaya is now AFK
20:43<HTbig>What is AFK?
20:44<chealer>HTbig: which bug?
20:44<chealer>!tell HTbig about afk
20:45<HTbig>lirc kernel modules don't compile in testing
20:45<chealer>HTbig: ur, I'm not sure I understand you. which bug number?
20:46<HTbig>It doesn't have one yet. There is an old similar bug. I'm checking the bug number on it now.
20:47<HTbig> #338286
20:49<HTbig>Another one is #338226
20:49<HTbig>But these are both quite old
20:50<HTbig>I'm running testing with 2.6.21
20:51<chealer>HTbig: what about #399135?
20:53<HTbig>Yea but that is on 2.6.19 and lirc modules 0.8.0-9. The new testing kernel is 2.6.21 and modules are at 0.8.0-9.3
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21:16<wutbox>is there a tutorial or some instructions for how to set a static IP
21:17<amphi>wutbox: man 5 interfaces
21:17<tcsetattr>the interfaces(5) man page, although that contains way more information that you need to know
21:17<amphi>wutbox: I expect there's something in the debian reference about it too
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21:24<wutbox>how do I allow an SSH connection? it tells me that it is refused
21:25<amphi>wutbox: sshd is running? ;)
21:25<Starkonovich>wutbox: ps -ef | grep sshd
21:25<Starkonovich>Is /usr/sbin/sshd listed?
21:26<Starkonovich>if not, then apt-get install ssh
21:26<wutbox>ps -ef | grep sshd
21:27<wutbox>it says "root 2241 2232 0 16:26 tty1 00:00:00 grep sshd
21:28<Starkonovich>Yeah, sshd isn't running. I doubt you even have it installed if you just finished a default install.
21:28<wutbox>yeah, even worse, it was a net install
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21:28<Starkonovich>no worries though, 'apt-get install ssh' will install and start it for you.
21:29<amphi>wutbox: what difference does that make?
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21:33<rs>hi, I'm wondering where I set the priority order of wireless networks, atm it tries to connect to the wrong one each time I log on my laptop
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21:40<rs>I might add that I'm using NetworkManager to connect (gnome)
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21:45<Tranqgreen>i just updated to 2.6.18-5-486 and now x wont start when envoked. Im in x now by swaping back to 2.6.18-4-486 what do I need to do to make the upgrade work with x
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21:46<dli>Tranqgreen, do you have nvidia/ati proprietary driver
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21:47<Tranqgreen>dli: yes I have the nvidia driver from the package via repos
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21:47<chealer>Tranqgreen: you need to install a new nvidia LKM
21:47<dli>Tranqgreen, if so, you would have to reinstall those drivers each time for a new kernel
21:47<wycked>Hi .. There is a french channel for Debian here ? :)
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21:48<chealer>!tell wycked about fr
21:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
21:48<Tranqgreen>dli: oh wait I let automatix do that
21:48<wycked>chealer, thanks a lot ! :)
21:48<amphi>Tranqgreen: oh the horror!
21:48<Tranqgreen>ya I goofed
21:48<dli>!tell Tranqgreen about automatix
21:49<Tranqgreen>since reading a little more I have come to find that automatix is the quickest way to a broke system
21:49<wycked>They are sleeping on #debian-fr :(
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21:50<wycked>So, I install Debian since one hour, before I was on Mandriva, and then I've a little trouble : when I type "apt-get install Xfce4" it tells me that Xfce4 doesn't exists :(
21:51<Tranqgreen>wycked are you logged in under root?
21:51<dli>!tell wycked about xfce
21:51<wycked>Tranqgreen, Yes.
21:51<chealer>wycked: apt-get seems to be case-sensitive... # apt-get install xfce4
21:51<MiR_>wycked: apt-cache search xfce, it will likely be named different (lowercase?)
21:52<Tranqgreen>dli: so how do I go about doint the nvidia drivers without automatix
21:52<amphi>dli: damn, from that url it's far worse than I'd realised
21:52<wycked>I try with all possibilities ... Xfce4 xfce4 Xfce xfce ...
21:52<chealer>wycked: and it tells you the same thing with xfce4?
21:52<Tranqgreen>apt-cache search xfce wycked
21:53<wycked>chealer, yes :(
21:53<Tranqgreen>possibly apt-get update
21:53<dli>wycked, check your sources.list file
21:53<wycked>Tranqgreen, There are a lot of things with "xfce"
21:54<MiR_>wycked: choose one ;)
21:54<dli>Tranqgreen, if you are running ubuntu, try #ubuntu, otherwise, /msg dpkg about nvidia
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21:55<Tranqgreen>dpkg didnt respond
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21:56<dli>!tell Tranqgreen about nvidia
21:56<Tranqgreen>dli: thx
21:57<Tranqgreen>wycked: apt-get install xfce4 should work. if id dosent try installing aptitude
21:57<wycked>aptitud != apt-get ?
21:57<MiR_>it's a frontend
21:58<MiR_>like dselect or synaptics
21:58<wycked>okay :)
21:59<dli>btw, it's called synaptic (synaptics is the touchpad driver)
21:59<wycked>A french guy is talking with me, I think it's easier for me if I try with him ! Thank you a lot !
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22:01<Tranqgreen>dli: do I need to switch back to the kernel image?
22:03<dli>Tranqgreen, you should install the new linux-image/linux-headers, follow the nvidia one liner, reboot to the new kernel (if not there yet), load the kernel module (nvidia), if it doesn't load auto
22:06<Tranqgreen>dli: already installed the linux-image and headers that is how i found out that x was broke so I switched back to the previous version to get x to work
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22:07<Tranqgreen>dli:I couldnt get the bot to tell me the one liner so I started working on how to. I got an error that says installation of the affix-source source failed
22:08<dli>!tell Tranqgreen about nvidia one-liner
22:11<Tranqgreen>dli: what about the errors that i got out the wazu
22:11<wycked>Thanks all my apt-get run nicely now ! :)
22:11<dli>Tranqgreen, pastebin the exact error message
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22:12<Tranqgreen>basicly it said that everything failed to be rebuilt and was in a white blue and red box (like old installer)
22:14<Tranqgreen>dil: Im now setting on a screen that says package configuration and is talking to me about cloop-module rebuild and divice nodes for compressed loop devices
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22:16<Tranqgreen>dil: any Ideas
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22:17<Tranqgreen>dli: ?
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22:28<alaya>is 59 degrees hot for a system?
22:29<alaya>not sure if these thermal values acpi reports are cpu or something else
22:29<MiR_>alaya: cpu? not realy
22:29<alaya>acpi gives a thermal 1 and thermal 2 value. both are the same
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22:30<MiR_>if it's /proc/acpi/thermal it's cpu
22:30<MiR_>maybe two cores?
22:30<alaya>ah maybe because its a core2duo
22:30<MiR_>sure. 59 is likely ok.
22:30<wycked>!tell nvidia
22:31<alaya> /msg dpkg nvidia
22:31<MiR_>alaya: better check over some time -there are tools for the gnome panel or log it somewhere..
22:31<wycked>thanks :)
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22:48<Tranqgreen>!tell me about nvidia one-liner
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22:55<Tranqgreen>dli: I got it figured out I think...
22:55<Tranqgreen>it does say that my kernel headers dont match my running version of linux though
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23:21<iSupaplex>how do I paste in the console when I only have one mouse button (ibook) and no insert key?
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23:22<iSupaplex>no X, but gpm is running.
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23:32<tcsetattr>find the building superintendent and say "if trade me a three-button mouse for my one-button mouse I'll throw in this barometer"
23:32<iSupaplex>uh my one button mouse isn't detachable. :P
23:32<iSupaplex>fuq that. hahahaha!
23:33<iSupaplex>but yeah.
23:33<tcsetattr>single-button gpm is not a workable combo, I bet. Use screen instead.
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23:34<iSupaplex>ouu screen? humm...
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23:35<ameyer>Excuse my ignorance, but how would screen help here?
23:35[~]iSupaplex is trolling through the man pages
23:35<tcsetattr>screen does cut and paste without a mouse. And when you have a single-button mouse, you basically have no mouse.
23:36<ameyer>tcsetattr: "screen does cut and paste without a mouse" how?
23:37<ameyer>I mean, I might find that useful
23:38<tcsetattr>hit ctrl-A ESC to get into scrollback mode, then position the cursor where you want to start highlighting (keybindings for moving the cursor are vi-like) then press space, move to the end and press space again. That copies the text. Press ctrl-A ] to paste
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23:41<tcgetattr>did any of that get through before I just lost my connection?
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23:41<iSupaplex>yes, got it.
23:41<iSupaplex>tyvm :)
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23:42<tcgetattr>also, try apt-get install mouseemu
23:42<roger>una pregunta
23:42<Requiem>debian Testing is at kernel version 2.6.21 right?
23:42<tcgetattr>according to apt-cache show mouseemu, It was initially developed for Apple PowerBooks and iBooks, but it may be useful on other architectures as well.
23:42<roger>alguien sabe por q despues de usar el alsa config el sonido anda hasta reiniciar la pc ?
23:44<Waddledee>I'm getting an unfamiliar error on startup and shutdown on my testing box. Before I can ask for help with the error itself, though, I need to ask: how can I get access to the error message so I can share it with you?
23:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:45<tcgetattr>Waddledee, maybe enabling bootlogd will capture the message for you
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23:46<Waddledee>tcgetattr: uh, for all I know, bootlogd is enabled. I don't know where it would be captured to. I'm a Linux novice.
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23:47<tcgetattr>can you describe this "unfamiliar error"?
23:47<tcgetattr>(I haven't actually used bootlogd myself so I don't know where it would put the log either)
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23:48<Waddledee>It's something to do with Firestarter. It looks like something is trying to restart it during shutdown and start it twice during startup. But I can't remember more than that.
23:48<tcgetattr>/var/log/boot I guess
23:48<Requiem>this is from when etch was testing
23:49<Requiem>so how do I get a *current* testing cd?
23:50<Waddledee>Hm. Well, apparently I'm not using bootlogd.
23:50<litage>i hooked up my ipod to my etch box, and it's charging. however, there's no mention of my ipod in dmesg, /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages . what do i have to do to get the ipod recognised?
23:50<litage>Requiem: download it from a mirror, from the "testing" or "lenny" directory
23:51<tcgetattr>Waddledee, try running /etc/init.d/firestarter stop;/etc/init.d/firestarter start and see if it prints the same error messages
23:51<chealer>Requiem: yes
23:52<Requiem>litage: Where is a link to testing/Lenny?
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23:53<litage>Requiem: on every tier-1 Debian mirror
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23:54<Waddledee>tcgetattr, no errors were displayed. Does anyone know how I activate bootlogd?
23:54<tcgetattr>edit /etc/default/bootlogd
23:55<Requiem>Um, I can only find the stable version anywhere
23:55<Waddledee>All right. I'll try rebooting and see if it captures that error.
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23:56<tcgetattr>what's actually in /debian/dists/testing/ on an FTP mirror is: Contents-*, Release, Release.gpg, contrib, main, and non-free. Which one of those is the "CD image" directory?
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23:56<Requiem>lets try this
23:56<Requiem>name a teir 1 debian mirror for me?
23:57<chealer>Requiem: did you check cdimage.d.o?
23:57<Requiem>what's that?
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23:58<chealer>Requiem: it's a website
23:59<Requiem>-not one that I can connect to
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