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---Logopened Sun Aug 19 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<tcgetattr>some people abbreviate "" as "d.o" - it's a way of making themselves look smart when nobody understands them.
00:00<tcgetattr>it's sort of like the AOLers who spell "you" and "are" with one letter each.
00:00<ricky>It saves a ton of typing. I know that GNOME and Fedora does it with their websites as well.
00:01<tcgetattr>they probably think that makes them look cool too.
00:01<Waddledee>Okay, I've pasted my bootlog to . It looks like the trouble starts around line 18.
00:01<Requiem>ah, in that case yeah, it's where I started
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00:02<Requiem>all the mirrors seem to only have 4.0r0
00:03<tcgetattr>yeah that "invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence" looks weird. This was not logged during shutdown, was it?
00:04<simonrvn>tcgetattr: i do it to save typing and typos
00:04<Waddledee>Uh, I dunno. Would shutdown events be logged to the same file? I could reboot again.
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00:04<Requiem>found it, but it's the installer I already have
00:04<Requiem>which is etch
00:04<Requiem>not Lenny
00:04<Requiem>and from *may*
00:05<Requiem>so it's not even up-to-date etch
00:05<simonrvn>so? you update after
00:05<tcsetattr>for a testing CD you need to look in one of the "snapshot" directories
00:06[~]ricky netinstalled Lenny from a USB stick, if he remembers correctly.
00:06<Requiem>simon: if I could get etch to work, I wouldn't be using Lenny in the first place
00:06<chealer>Requiem: are you looking at "Official CD/DVD images of the testing distribution (regenerated weekly) ? on"?
00:07<chealer>Requiem: hum, I see
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00:09<chealer>Requiem: sorry. see netinst-s on
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00:10<Requiem>that installer is still the one from may
00:11[~]Requiem notes that she can't use the old kernel versions with this chipset
00:11[~]ricky guesses
00:12<ricky>Heh, yow.
00:12<chealer>Requiem: which one?
00:13<Requiem>I need 2.6.21 or later
00:13<Requiem>otherwise I can't read the CDs
00:13<chealer>Requiem: which installer is still the one from may?
00:13<Requiem>the weekly build ones haven't been updated since may
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00:14<Requiem>their weekly builds of etch as unstable
00:14<Requiem>not of lenny
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00:14<Waddledee>Hm. How would I log the events that happen during a shutdown?
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00:15<chealer>Requiem: I don't see any weekly built netinst
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00:16<tcsetattr>Waddledee, I think you've logged enough to prove that something is wrong. invoke-rc.d somehow got confused about what the runlevel is
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00:16<Waddledee>Okay, so how do I unconfuse it?
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00:17<Requiem>aha, daily builds should work
00:17<tcsetattr>is the firestarter script located in /etc/rc0.d or rc2.d, or both?
00:17<Requiem>I hope, this is my last CD
00:18<Requiem>netinst only...
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00:18<Requiem>hope the apt-get for KDE actually works for once
00:18<Waddledee>tcsetattr, I see a K20firestarter in the first directory and a S20firestarter in the second directory.
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00:19<Requiem>Ahould make a request that KDE and Xfce be made options for the netinst
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00:21<tcsetattr>next stage, I guess, is to put #!/bin/sh -x at the top of /etc/init.d/firestarter and boot again, then see what that adds to the log
00:22<Waddledee>What's the -x do?
00:22<tcsetattr>this isn't the first time someone has had problems with that package's startup. I think it's a badly-written script
00:22<tcsetattr>the -x makes it log every command it runs
00:22<simonrvn>tcsetattr: nmu it ;p
00:23<Waddledee>tcsetattr, okay, I'm going to reboot. Back in a bit.
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00:23<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2
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00:26<Waddledee>tcsetattr, -- I hope you can make sense of it, 'cause it's alphabet soup to me.
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00:32[~]Waddledee twiddles his lack of thumbs while he waits for tcsetattr to process all that data.
00:32<tcsetattr>I guess it needs someone who's actually got an idea how invoke-rc.d is supposed to work
00:34<simonrvn>it's supposedly a cleaner way to run init scripts because it clears (certain?) env vars
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00:36<tcsetattr>is it really so hard to just learn to use iptables yourself? :)
00:36<tcsetattr>all these dumb iptables-script-generators just add their own errors
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00:37[~]Waddledee doesn't use Linux because he enjoys digging in the guts of his machine; he uses Linux because Windows failed to Just Work.
00:38<simonrvn>i wrote my own script
00:38<tcsetattr>so, just look at "firestarter" as some unpleasant guts, which you can throw away!
00:38<simonrvn>then run that from init.d
00:38<tcsetattr>less guts, less trouble :)
00:38<Requiem>Waddledee: no offense and all, but isn't that what Ubuntu is supposed to be for?
00:39<simonrvn>i set some sysctl stuff, iptables, set up QoS marks, etc. from it. works for me
00:39<simonrvn>i tried most of those "iptables script generators" and they all suck in one way or another
00:40<Waddledee>Requiem: I tried Ubuntu for a little while, but ran into some hassles with NVidia drivers, so I tried some other distributions, settling on this one.
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00:40<tcsetattr>the iptables-script-generators don't satisfy any real need other than the psychological "I need to have a firewall!" urge that comes from using windoze for too long.
00:41<Waddledee>tcsetattr: you saying I don't even need Firestarter?
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00:41<tcsetattr>exactly :)
00:41<tcsetattr>I mean, what do you think it's doing for you?
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00:43<Waddledee>Well, even my elderly brain can handle uninstalling something. (^^) And yeah, I guess not too many people are going to be h@x0ring my b0x0rz if it's Linux.
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00:43<Requiem>It's kinda fun to watch all the windows worms that are busy beating against you for the first 10 seconds or so firestarter is on
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00:46<Waddledee>Well, I'm gonna hit the sack. Thanks for the help, and the advice.
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00:55<cameronvale>how do I make my g++ package and libstdc++ (libsigc++) packages play well enough together so they can compile rtorrent?
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00:58<cameronvale>---> /usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/local/lib/, may conflict with
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01:01<Requiem>the daily builds are still using the etch installer to install lenny with
01:01[~]Requiem hmms
01:02<chealer>cameronvale: what do you mean by "libstdc++ (libsigc++)"?
01:02<Requiem>maybe I can get the hacked etch installer I found to install a text only mode for me, then upgrade to lenny, *then* add the GUI
01:02<cameronvale>the error message i pasted after that
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01:04<chealer>cameronvale: no idea, but that sounds more like "how do I make my libstdc++5 package and libstdc++6 packages play well enough together so that I can compile rtorrent?"
01:04<cameronvale>rakasha said otherwise
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01:04<cameronvale>when i googled the problem :(
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01:10<cameronvale>me sad
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01:12<Requiem>!etch 2.6.20
01:12<dpkg>[etch 2.6.20] avaiable at - ask me about <bpo>
01:13<tcsetattr>cameronvale, your being in /usr/local indicates that you have compiled it yourself. you need to either compile it again with the new libstdc++ or remove that and install the Debian version
01:13<cameronvale>I thought so too, but when i removed it and removed the installed package , then installed the deb package i got other errors
01:14<cameronvale>even though i made clean and ran from scratch (configure)
01:14<cameronvale>then it just wouldnt compile
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01:15<cameronvale>so i moved the files back into usr/local/lib and include
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01:41<bcochofel>His there a program to sync my phone data
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01:50<ranix>I was just reading up on those 5 main ubuntu servers that got hijacked
01:51<ranix>slashdot says it's nothing to worry about
01:51<ranix>apparently that was a transitional feature to help make windows users feel more comfortable using ubuntu
01:52<bcochofel>Is there a repo for multisync plugins for etch?
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01:53<bcochofel>I have multisync but don't have the ldap plugin
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01:55<ranix>Why would you rm -rf?
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01:56<ranix>isn't the -f switch for recursing filesystems?
01:56<tcsetattr>-r recurse -f force (don't ask questions)
01:56<ranix>I should have read the man page before asking dumb questions
01:56<tcsetattr>without -f it'll ask if you really want to delete... every file without write permission
01:57<cameronvale>force isnt it?
01:57<cameronvale>r is recursive
01:57<mythomanic>anyone know much about encrypting swap with loop-aes?
01:57<ranix>I thought I remembered something about rm not following filesystem links by default
01:58<ranix>like if you had something mounted in /var/foo and rm -r /var/, it wouldn't nuke foo
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02:45<bcochofel>How can I burn a folder with mp3 files to a cdr in standard music format?
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02:49<tcsetattr>mp3burn - burn audio CDs directly from MP3, Ogg Vorbis, or FLAC files
02:49<tcsetattr>mp3cd - Burns normalized audio CDs from lists of MP3s/WAVs/Oggs/FLACs
02:51<Requiem>Is there a way to make the etch net install CD draw from the lenny repository?
02:52<Requiem>I'm thinking I should just edit the sources.list file before loading anything.
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02:52<Requiem>dunno if that would even be there though.
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03:02<bcochofel>tcsetattr: thx. By the way none of those GUI comes with debian etch?
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03:02<Nemoder>bcochofel: maybe try gnome-baker?
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03:09<bcochofel>Nemoder: thx. I'll try that
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03:27<utterfly>i have a problem
03:28<utterfly>,,when my system configured usplash
03:28<utterfly>fallowing problem occurs
03:28<Enfilade>Hrmm, i wonder why code::blocks isn't a part of debian
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03:28<utterfly>No alternatives for
03:28<utterfly>how can i fix this ?
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03:30<Starkonovich>utterfly: search debian bug system, I think it's in there.
03:30<utterfly>how can i search ?
03:30<fanto666>Hello, when a package was updated, shouldn't all security fixes move from to 'main' FTP archives?
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04:10<utterfly>how can i add gpg key to system ?
04:10<utterfly>how can i add gpg key to system ?
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05:07<LinBe>hi, how to get the root password back, is this possible?
05:07<deavid>yes, you should restart in single mode
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05:12<gsimmons>!tell LinBe -about i forgot root's password
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05:55<dpkg>hello, simon444
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06:29<deavid>hi, I'm compiling kdebase in my box, with dpkg-buildpackage
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06:30<deavid>but I need to compile only a folder, named nsplugin
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06:30<deavid>¿Can I compile only nsplugin using automake?
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06:47<neoport0>i have a question about my ethernet
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06:48<vPK>hello, anyone alive?
06:48<vPK>i installed debian
06:48<neoport0>u know anything about setting up etho net
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06:49<vPK>no im new
06:49<neoport0>yeah me also
06:49<vPK>oh :)
06:49<neoport0>my last damn computer had a 78k download speed
06:49<neoport0>this one only max out at 40k
06:49<neoport0>trying to see if there is a way to tweek it
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06:49<neoport0>and you know somthing this damn computer is newer then the one that goes faster
06:50<neoport0>damn compaq
06:50<vPK>do u know a command for
06:50<vPK>running remote desktop from linux?
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06:51<vPK>i dont have grapic interface
06:51<neoport0>you need like vm ware
06:51<Myon>what do you want do do?
06:51<vPK>i wanna connect to windows box
06:51<vPK>using linux
06:51<vPK>without graphic interface
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06:52<Myon>you need a local X server
06:52<neoport0>myon do you know of a way to tweek my etho card for faster dl
06:52<vPK>my debian with graphic interface had remote desktop program
06:52<vPK>in menu
06:52<Myon>neoport0: buy a faster one
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06:52<ChArRuA>some one play quake arena?
06:52<neoport0>my older computer would download at 70k this one only will max out around 40 but stay about 20k
06:53<vPK>i got debian netinstall and installed only basic install, is there a way to connect from such system to windows box using remote desktop?
06:53<widrone>neoport0: kb/s or kB/s... How are you meassuring it btw?
06:53<neoport0>by the way it downloads
06:53<Myon>vPK: install a desktop system
06:54<Myon>and then install "rdesktop"
06:54<vPK>dekstop- system? i dont udnerstand - im very new to linux
06:54<vPK>u mean full debian?
06:55<vPK>i got other debian system with graphic interface and it has remote dekstop program
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06:55<vPK>installed already
06:55<neoport0>and it downloading now at 13 kB/s
06:55<vPK>i tryed it and it works
06:55<vPK>i wondered if there is a way to connect using only basic install
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06:56<vPK>i ve seen a THIN client linux box
06:56<widrone>neoport0: And the "other" used to do 40kB/s with the same program from the same source, yes?
06:56<vPK>connectin to server 2003
06:56<vPK>so its possible :)
06:56<Myon>vPK: you either need enough clue, or do a standard install
06:56<Myon>vPK: and repeating the same question over and over won't help
06:56<vPK>ok ok thx anyway
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06:57<widrone>neoport0: And the "other" used to do 40kB/s with the same program from the same source, yes?
06:57<neoport0>no up to 70kB
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06:57<neoport0>and it was a older computer
06:57<ChArRuA>some one help me to started a server dedicate winth command q3ded under debian?
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06:58<neoport0>SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet
06:58<neoport0>that is my card
06:58<ajcc>Do i need to patch the kernel source from unstable? (linux-source-2.6.22)
06:58<widrone>neoport0: Using the same software to dl from the same location? And no other computers eating at your bw?
06:58<neoport0>and downloading from same location
06:59<neoport0>it took me 5hr with the comptuer to download and install linux
06:59<neoport0>took 1hr 18 minutes with the older one
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06:59<stuart>does anyone know if there is a quick/easy way to declutter the "start" menu when you have gnome and kde installed (eg so that you only see the default kde menu when you run kde and the gnome when you run gnome)?
06:59<neoport0>using the same ftp mirror
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07:03<ChArRuA>someone help me?
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07:06<stuart>anyone shed any light on my menu question?
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07:07<widrone>ChArRuA: Never played it, but whats up? Wont start or starts with errors or what?
07:08<Myon>ChArRuA: you need to ask real questions
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07:09<ChArRuA>when i started di server q3ded running and wantr to loas a default.cfg q3config.cfg
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07:09<ChArRuA>but i want to run a mod and i know the command +set fs_game excessive
07:10<neoport0><grabs his bazooka and aims it at his compaq
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07:10<ChArRuA>but i don't' know haw make the autoexec.cfg under linux
07:10<widrone>ChArRuA: Cant even find the package in the debian archives, althu Im on stable.
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07:12<widrone>ChArRuA: "touch ./autoexec.cfg"? :)
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07:15<ChArRuA>hehehe i'm a new user
07:16<widrone>ChArRuA: Really I have no clue. But try a bit of google working, there is about 60 hits for "debian q3deed startup".
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07:16<buffoon>hi! i have setup wordpress on etch (Apache and mysql). Everything seems to work but the Theme from the internet doesn't work. In the internal network everything works fine. The server works as a router so it has 2 nics.
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07:17<ChArRuA>hehhe before come here i try a milion of google pages
07:17<ChArRuA>but there are poor notice
07:17<ChArRuA>not completely
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07:17<ChArRuA>the reason is ...quake 3 is old game and in this moment the excessive mod not create
07:17<buffoon>i made a symlink to the same configuration file for all the access methods on /etc/wordpress/config-<http-host>
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07:25<oddtod>hey guys i'm running out of room on my / and i'm not really sure why is there a way can search for files over a certain size on the CLI?
07:26<Myon>find / -size +10000
07:26<Myon>something like that
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07:26<oddtod>thank you
07:26<deavid>du is helpful too
07:26<deavid>du -h
07:27<craigevil>might try doing apt-get clean as well
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07:29<oddtod>oh wow that is a good way deavid thank you guys for you're help
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07:30<oddtod>is thereanyway to sort that results of du -h by size?
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07:30<oddtod>i would use Man but man seems to be broke cause the temp is filled up
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07:31<alex__>delete stuff in yout temp then
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07:36<matthewpoer>How can I tell if a wireless access point is using WEP or WPA, without having to to contact the campus technical staff?
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07:37<gsimmons>matthewpoer: Use a wireless sniffer, such as kismet.
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07:37<matthewpoer>aptitude search-ing now, thank you gsimmons
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07:40<ajcc>I'm trying to find a document about the things needed in a linux kernel for debian etch, is there anything about it? I remeber Gentoo having something simular, but it's not Debian :) I have checked all my hardware and written it up, but I don't know everything needed in the kernel.
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07:41<ajcc>I'm going to build a custom kernel, and a smaller kernel too.
07:42<alex__>i mean whats the point of building smaller kernels
07:43<ajcc>They are faster and it takes shorter time to start the computer with one
07:43<ajcc>And learning purpose
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07:43<ajcc>I had a look in the debian kernel manual, but it didn't say anything about the stuff needed in the configure
07:43<irwiss>oddtod: du -h|sort
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07:45<amp>ajcc: I would start with the default Debian config and remove things I don't need
07:45<ajcc>amp: didn't know there was one, I'll try that, thank you!
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07:46<amp>ajcc: you can find it in /boot
07:46<ajcc>amp: ah, thanks :)
07:46<schnobs>ajcc: look for /boot/config-2.6.18-<something-or-other>
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07:48<schnobs>what mechanism is resposnible for loading modules in debian? You need to know the right keywords in order to query a search engine...
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07:48<ajcc>schnobs: config-2.6.18-4-686, it's compatible with 2.6.22-3 right?
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07:48<adroc>hey all
07:49<schnobs>ajcc: as radio eriwan used to say: "in principle, yes..."
07:49<Vultaire>question: evolution and liferea are both starting up in "Work Offline" mode. I see no option to change this in either program. Is there a gconf setting or something I can set to fix this?
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07:49<ajcc>schnobs: hehe :)
07:50<Vultaire>erm, let me clarify - each time I start them, they're in offline mode, even if I turn offline mode off while I use the program... the next time I run them, they're offline again
07:50<schnobs>ajcc: .22 may have a few settings that were not available in .18 -- it will fill in some defaults, but those aren't necessarily sensible. You also won't be told that these were not defined in your original config.
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07:51<adroc>question: Im trying to get my wifi card working on my laptop thats running debian. The card I have is 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01). Can someone help please?
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07:51<gsimmons>!tell adroc -about madwifi
07:51<ajcc>schnobs: I see
07:51<adroc>i tried the ipw2200 drivers but no luck
07:52<adroc>should i remove those and try madwifi?
07:52<gsimmons>adroc: They (ipw2200) are the wrong drivers for your card's chipset. You'd want to use madwifi.
07:52<Vultaire>madwifi's what I use on my notebook... haven't actually got a connection to work, but monitor mode works great
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07:52<adroc>is madwifi avail on a repo
07:52<Vultaire>my card is atheros as well, and the reason I don't have a connection is probably because I don't have authorized access to a wifi network ;)
07:53<gsimmons>adroc: Please ask the bot (dpkg) about 'madwifi-install'.
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07:54<schnobs>ajcc: I suggest you load the .18 (or whatever) config, and don't change a thing before saving it as .22 config. Then run "diff" (or something) in order to find out what the new options are. So you can pay special attention to them.
07:55<adroc>downloading them now
07:55<adroc>wish me luck :)
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07:55<schnobs>ajcc: there probably is a better way to do it... but that's all I can think of.
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07:59<matthewpoer>how do i set my wireless card (bcm43xx) into monitor mode
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07:59<gsimmons>matthewpoer: iwconfig ethX mode monitor
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08:03<Baddo>Hi all. I am running Debian GNU/Linux testing, and after some recent system upgrade sounds stopped working. The hardware is okay as a Windows XP installation on the same computer has no problems with playing sounds. Does anyone know what caused the broken sound system on my Debian Testing?
08:03<oddtod>is there any way i can do a du -h and have it dumped into an excell file?
08:03<utterfly>hey i have a problem with usplash
08:03<ajcc>schnobs`: It's probably a good way :) I'll try it!
08:03<Baddo>I have been doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
08:04<paulliu>Baddo, try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
08:04<Baddo>alright, I'll try that.
08:04<utterfly>system said No alternatives for
08:04<utterfly>an i am looking at debian tracking system
08:05<utterfly>it says
08:05<utterfly>update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/ /usr/lib/usplash/ 55
08:05<utterfly>wand problem solved but
08:05<utterfly>when i made this
08:05<schnobs`>oddtod: pipe you output into any old textfile and try to load it as "csv".
08:06<oddtod>thanks schobs
08:06<utterfly>this errors occured
08:06<utterfly>update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/usplash/ a symlink to /etc/alternatives/ No such file or directory
08:06<Baddo>nope, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" didn't fix anything for the sound system. still silent...
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08:06<utterfly>what must i do
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08:06<paulliu>Baddo, alsaconf?
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08:07<Baddo>hmm hmm, I recall I ran that already but I try it.
08:07<brislingf>hi guys, i have a couple of questions regarding postfix, like where do it store the incomming mails
08:07<schnobs`>if in doubt, use the hard disk.
08:07<schnobs`>(sorry, couldn't resist)
08:10<utterfly>any answer
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08:12<simon444>brislingf, on paper with pen
08:12<simon444>also acts as a god spam filter
08:13<Baddo><Baddo> "alsaconf" didn't help with the sounds either. it seemed to run succesfully, but didn't fix anything.
08:13<Baddo><Baddo> now I started JuK multimedia player, and it gives me an error message:
08:13<Baddo><Baddo> "Sound server informational message:
08:13<Baddo><Baddo> Error while initializing the sound driver:
08:13<Baddo><Baddo> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
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08:13<schnobs`>what the heck is the paster bot?
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08:14<paulliu>Baddo, install oss-compat..
08:14<Baddo>"alsaconf" didn't help with the sounds...
08:14<schnobs`>or rather, I can guess it's nature from the name. but how do I use it?
08:14<gsimmons>brislingf: This is defined by the 'mail_spool_directory' parameter. It's either /var/mail or /var/spool/mail by default (the latter is a symlink to /var/mail anyway).
08:14<Baddo>okay I'll look into that.
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08:14<brislingf>hmm shouldnt there be any kind of files if it worked ?
08:15<fxiny>gsimmons: type mailq to check it
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08:15<gsimmons>brislingf: Depending on your definition of "worked", yes. Check your /var/log/mail.log.
08:15<fxiny>brislingf: type mailq to check it
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08:16<brislingf>mail queue is empty
08:16<petemc>if it worked, the mailqueue would be empty
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08:18<brislingf>hmm is there any places that i could post the log file, because i can not log on to the server:/ and i am getting a pretty big bump on my head from bagging it into the wall all weekend :/
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08:19<schnobs`> where do I tell debian that I want to set some parameters when loading a driver?
08:19<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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08:21<gsimmons>brislingf: Please explain your problem first. There's no point in us looking at a Postfix log file without at least some description of your issue.
08:21<amp>schnobs`: do you mean module?
08:21<schnobs`>amp: yes.
08:21<amp>I create a file /etc/modprobe.d/00local
08:22<amp>ex: "option kqemu major=0"
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08:23<schnobs`>amp: that's all? It seems almost too easy.
08:24<amp>schnobs`: LOL
08:24<utterfly>answer me
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08:24<brislingf>the problem is that i cant login through pop3 :/ an i might think that the problem can have something to do with the way the postfix passwords are stored in mysql db
08:24<utterfly>usplash problem
08:24<utterfly>it says no alternative for
08:24<utterfly>how can i fix
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08:26<Berge>How can I turn off subpixel hinting in Xorg at run time?
08:26<Berge>Doesn't look too great with the screen tilted 90 degrees..
08:26<gsimmons>brislingf: Uh, Postfix doesn't speak POP3. Sounds like you have an authentication problem, but it wouldn't be caused by Postfix.
08:26<Pepper>Berge: at least in kde you can configure the orientation of the hinting too.
08:26<Baddo>Still no luck with getting the sounds to work. It seems my sound tracks are really playing, but directed to "null" obviously I think. when I play a music track in JuK, the aRts Control program shows that the track is playing but loudspeakers are still silent.
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08:27<Berge>Pepper: Yeah, I know. I use Gnome, and I'm fairly sure I can do it somewhere in the preferences, but a) I can't find it and b) I'd like to to it with a CLI interface.
08:27<paulliu>Baddo, did you use alsamixer to turn on everything??
08:27<lupine_85>Baddo: arts is a PoS. Could be volume though
08:27<brislingf>i have tried to follow the guide on
08:27<paulliu>Baddo, and check mute...
08:27<Berge>Ah, Preferences -> Fonts did the trick GUI-wise.
08:28<WEARENOTALONE> /msg dpkg etch
08:28<cahoot>Baddo: run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
08:28<Baddo>hmm, yes I check mixer and mute (again, as I did that earlier this week)
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08:28<Baddo>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
08:29<Berge>Ah, I can even change the order of the colour pixels. Great (-:
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08:29<brislingf>can it be on the saslauth2 ?
08:29<Pepper>Berge: this only works for restarted apps.
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08:30<Berge>Pepper: Mm, but that works for me.
08:30<Tuplad>damn, my dvdrom doesn't recognize any audio cds :\
08:31<Tuplad>if I put the debian cd, or a cd with an iso in it, it works. file -s -L /dev/cdrom1 returns: /dev/cdrom1: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/cdrom1' (Input/output error)
08:32<brislingf>the mail.log file says courierpop3login login failed
08:32<brislingf>any ideas to look for the problem ?
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08:33<angelo>lilo related question ... Ive got a hdd on hda which has lilo on it .. then I have a raid set /dev/rd/c0d0 which I like to work from .. how can I config lilo that it runs the kernel of the raid set and makes it root ?
08:33<gsimmons>brislingf: You'll first need to provide a link to the guide that you're currently following.
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08:36<yang>abrotman: do you know where does FIREWIRE IEEE1394 name its interfaces....its renaming to eth0 each time after boot
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08:37<roger>alguien me podria ayudar con los drivers de nvidia
08:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:37<dpkg>i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory
08:37<roger>ah ok+
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08:38<gsimmons>brislingf: Just to be sure, have you re-read this guide, in the event you missed something when applying this configuration?
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08:39<brislingf>i have tried with two different servers.. and the same thing happends i have posted the mail.log file here:
08:39<roger>help me!!!!
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08:40<roger>debian-es is not people
08:40<roger>my english isn't very good
08:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:41<JasonS>but you can try here as well
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08:44<roger>in debian-is nobody helps, nobody says nor a single word me, the previous day did to me the same
08:44<junio>roger: you try the google?
08:44<JasonS>roger: have you also tried on
08:45<roger>my english isn't very good
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08:45<roger>and in debian-it is nobody aid
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08:46<noflash>!tell roger -about ask
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08:46<lane_>help canale linux
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08:47<brislingf>gsimmons: I can telnet it on pop3, so it must have something to do with the way its reading the password out of the mysql db
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08:48<gsimmons>brislingf: I'd verify your /etc/courier/authdaemonrc and /etc/courier/authmysqlrc files to ensure it's contacting your database correctly (particularly with respect to connection credentials). Check the courier logs as well.
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08:50<lupine_85>question; how do I get X to report on the currently available resolutions and bit depths available to it (without looking at xorg.conf) ?
08:51<Tuplad>I have a question about Audio CDs. I can view data cds, but I can not view or play audio cds(it won't even open). I'm reading that people should or should not mount it. Should I ? Is it of any use to mount an audio cd to play it ? Or is there some hardware issue(cables in the wrong place).
08:51<petemc>Tuplad: you cant mount an audio cd
08:52<Tuplad>petemc: because it has no filesystem ?
08:52<brislingf>gsimmons: ill check it
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08:52<petemc>Tuplad: try something like cdplay
08:52<miksuh>Lupine: Desktop->Preferences->Screenmode
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08:52<Tuplad>petemc: what about amarok ?
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08:52<petemc>never used it
08:53<lupine_85>ah; xdpyinfo
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08:53<Tuplad>mm ok :)
08:54<Tuplad>so it's all about the software ?
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08:54<utterfly>wihch file hold the dns settings ?
08:54<utterfly>which file holds th information about DNS?
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08:55<petemc>utterfly: /etc/resolv.conf
08:55<utterfly>answr me pls ?
08:55<petemc>calm down
08:55<utterfly>ok thanks
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08:58<utterfly>what must i do to restart network
08:58<petemc> /etc/init.d/networking restart would work
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09:03<Giacomo>I DO need your help!
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09:06<Myon>dpkg-reconfigure postfix, and select your provider's smarthost
09:06<neoport0>i have a question about eth0 cards
09:06<neoport0>see my last etho card can at 70kB/s on my old microstar motherbard 800mhz
09:07<neoport0>now my new compaq presario with linux on it hehehe etho card runs slow
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09:07<neoport0>is there away to chang the dl kb
09:08<neoport0>if so how do i get to my configurations to change the transfer settings
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09:10<neoport0>i guess no one knows
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09:10<petemc>there isnt usually much to change
09:10<petemc>ethtool eth0 would give some info on the card
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09:11<petemc>its not likely to be anything to do with the power of the machine the card is in
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09:12<neoport0>i choosed etho1 on for my card during installation becuse eth0 was a firewire
09:12<neoport0>could that be a probblem
09:12<petemc>i wouldnt have thought so
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09:12<neoport0>so the old micro star board just had a better onboard etho card this the newer compaq?
09:13<petemc>any old crap nic should be able to give full speed on a 100meg link
09:14<neoport0>yes it was freaken flying
09:14<neoport0>but my new computer
09:14<neoport0>is like slowww download
09:14<Myon>could be anything, broken card, broken cable, broken switch, borken driver...
09:16<neoport0>well thats not good
09:16<neoport0>cure for it?
09:16<neoport0>buy new one?
09:17<petemc>did you read what Myon typed?
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09:20<neoport0>yeah broke card and or stuff
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09:21<_spOOn_>hey people, any ideas why fam would go completely mental after a nfs transfer? and continue to make system sluggish until it is stopped?
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09:29<brislingf>gsimmons: if i look into the, it bounches most of the incomming mails with the error host not found?
09:30<christopher>quick question: I just used the command apt-get install mozilla-firefox. It worked, but I don't know how to start mozilla. What else do I need to do?
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09:31<_spOOn_>type mozilla in a terminal window?
09:31<Sent>Hello, can somebody help me with ACPI problems?
09:32<christopher>_sp00n_: so I thought Firefox would start, not Iceweasel
09:33<lupine_85>firefox ~= iceweasel
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09:34<junio>~= ?
09:34<lupine_85>more or less equals
09:34<junio>mm ok
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09:36<gsimmons>brislingf: This is fine, depending on the exact error and your current anti-UCE settings. For example, my server rejected a message claiming to be from "", as the domain provided at HELO couldn't be resolved.
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09:36<fxiny>junio: type: type mozilla . then file on what is displayed until you read iceweasel. a little step into debian ..
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09:37<christopher>_sp00n_: ok, well I guess that isn't my problem. I am trying to run the command "cd <Mozilla installation directory>/plugins"
09:37<miksuh>lupine_85: icewease is firefox with new name
09:37<miksuh>so i think it's more like == :)
09:37<fxiny>junio: ops .
09:38<fxiny>christopher: ^^^
09:38<_spOOn_>christopher, plugins for iceweasel are stored in the users home dir
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09:38<brislingf>gsimmons: is there any easy webmail program i could install so i could se if its working
09:39<Sent>anyone who can help me with ACPI problems?
09:39<_spOOn_>cd ~/.mozilla/plugins
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09:40<christopher>_sp00n_: ah, that seems to be working
09:40<Sent>anyone who can help me with APIC problems?
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09:40<gsimmons>brislingf: I don't think you need to install webmail software just to confirm if your POP3/SMTP servers are working. Just use whatever MUA you have.
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09:40<JasonS>!tell Sent about ask
09:41<brislingf>gsimmons: it was just to check if there was mail on the mailaccounts
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09:41<knovak>In the near future, I'm going to build a RAID 5 array, but I don't quite know how to do this yet. Are they any places I should look in particular to learn how to A) set the raid up and B) maintain/extend the raid?
09:43<_spOOn_>knovak, the one piece of advice i offer you, if you are doing a software raid (which i highly doubt you are, remember to copy grup/lilo to boot sector of all hdds in the array that would require it :)
09:43<Sent>i got a problem with APIC, (syslog: APIC error on CPU0) my pc "crashed" by copy a movie...
09:43<gsimmons>brislingf: If you're still having POP3 authentication issues between courier-pop and MySQL, it won't matter what MUA you use, webmail or otherwise.
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09:49<marco_>greetings all
09:49<marco_>i'm using debian 4.0 etch
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09:50<marco_>last night there was a lot of updates do to
09:50<marco_>part of this updates were the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel
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09:51<marco_>after the kernel update the X nerver worked again, claiming that "no screens found"
09:52<knovak>did you check your xorg.conf file?
09:52<marco_>do you have any idea regarding this ?
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09:53<marco_>yes, i did check
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09:53<knovak>I think that the kernel update may have invalidated your video card driver module, i.e. the module is no longer compatible with the kernel and you need to re-install the graphics driver. what video card do yo have?
09:53<marco_>it's in place and it was not modified.
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09:53<marco_>i have a XFX FX 5200 128 mb
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09:54<marco_>nvidia chipset
09:54<knovak>I'd try reinstalling the drivers again first
09:54<the-dude>which driver are you using?
09:54<knovak>or actually, switch the driver portion of the xorg.conf to use "nv" first
09:55<knovak>and if that works, you need to reinstall the drivers for your card
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09:55<marco_>i'm using the nvidia property driver
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09:56<marco_>do you think that switching to "nv" and then reinstalling the nvidia driver will work ?
09:56<knovak>it may
09:56<knovak>I had the same sort of problem with a kernel update before
09:57<jesperj>marco_, did you use the nvidia installer?
09:57<marco_>yes, i used the nvidia installer
09:57<jesperj>then yes you have to rerun it with each kernel update
09:57<knovak>I updated the kernel and the driver module was no longer compatible with the kernel, so I changed it back to the "nv" driver to download the proprietary drivers again and installed them, changed the config back to use the new proprietary drivers and it workd
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09:58<jesperj>you can do that from the commandline thoug
09:58<jesperj>you dont have to get into x to do it
09:58<knovak>yeah, :
09:58<jesperj>good luck
09:58<knovak>:) I didn't want to have to use the command line web browser though, I didn't save the installer
09:58[~]jesperj nods
09:59<knovak>but now, I always save them
09:59<jesperj>elinks works
09:59<marco_>i will try it
09:59<marco_>thanks for your time guys.
09:59<jesperj>np at all. best of luck to you
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10:00<jesperj>you dont have to restart
10:00<jesperj>just modprobe --remove the old module if it is installed and modprobe the new module
10:00<jesperj>when you are done
10:00<marco_>see you later
10:00<jesperj>maybe you dont even need that
10:00<jesperj>yeah bye
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10:02<knovak>the nvidia installer handled all that fun stuff for you... unlike the ATI driver installer. I hate my ATI card, it's so weird when using two monitors. On the second monitor, the mouse cursor never changes
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10:02<jesperj>well my nvidia 7950 gx2
10:02<jesperj>is weird
10:03<knovak>what does it do?
10:03<jesperj>can't get AA to work right mostly
10:03<jesperj>and Im not sure SLI works
10:03<jesperj>but I dont care
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10:03[~]jesperj shrugs
10:03<jesperj>I have more serious things to deal with, like getting my wifi to work with my rt61 chipset
10:04<jesperj>I will pingtimeout here eventually
10:04<knovak>wifi... such a pain
10:04<jesperj>that is cause WPA makes the driver crash
10:04<jesperj>Im here just waiting for it to happen so I can add info to my logs before posting to a board about it
10:04<jesperj>Im just in the chan now to keep traffic going :P
10:04<knovak>I've only had good times with wifi while using ubuntu and this one Dlink card I used to have
10:04<knovak>haha, good plan
10:05<Sent>i got a problem with APIC, (syslog: APIC error on CPU0) system hangs...
10:05<jesperj>well I bought a Belking card that I thought had the rt2500 chipset that is supposedly wellsuported
10:05<jesperj>but noooo of course they change the chipset to rt61 without telling anyone
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10:05<jesperj>sorry Sent no idea
10:06<knovak>I don't even really know what an APIC really is
10:06<Sent>Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controllers
10:06<knovak>oh yeah
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10:08<amp>Sent: try booting with noapic
10:08<Sent>how can i do that
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10:08<Sent>sorry newbie ...
10:08<amp>Sent: no prob, on the boot screen press e to edit the kernel commandline
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10:10<Sent>i've tried that.. enter a new line.. fill in noapic
10:10<Sent>but after that he didnt boot
10:10<amp>Sent: not a new line
10:10<amp>append to the kernel line
10:11<rbrito>Hi there.
10:11<Sent>oke i go to check it.
10:11<rbrito>What would be the best way to compile a module for a custom compiled kernel (that was compiled with kernel-package)?
10:12<amp>Sent: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=791 noapic
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10:13<Sent>amp: unrecognized commend...
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10:14<junio>Sent: put here your kernel line
10:15<Sent>oke, maybe i typed it on the wrong place, i put e in de blue screen, then c for command line, there it typed noapic
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10:16<amp>Sent: e then again e to get to edit the kernel line
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10:17<junio>in the screen of grub (blue screen), press e and append nopic end of line. Later press <enter>, later b to boot
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10:20<Althaser>what command should be used instead update-modules ? please
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10:23<duglas>On my Debian/Blackbox system, bbpager wont start when called from ~/.xsession, but will start when called from an rxvt terminal. any ideas?
10:23<mbroeker>Althaser, the proper command for now and the future is: "man update-modules"
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10:24<Althaser>mbroeker yeah I saw it :) thanks
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10:28<mbroeker>Althaser, but in fact: do you know how "fast" the changes in /etc/modutils.d/ take effect?
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10:33<Althaser>mbroeker not really :P
10:33<mbroeker>Althaser, udev and the modutils mechanism interact somehow
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10:34<mbroeker>Althaser, the need to rmmod <module> and modprobe it again is necessary
10:35<mbroeker>wow: the changes take effect immediatly
10:35<mbroeker>thats a good work
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10:38<angelo>hi , where are the user passwords stored ??
10:38<Althaser>mbroeker :D
10:39<angelo>I just installed a new debian box .. and backupped the /etc/ folder .. can I just put back the user/password files or do I need to create them over again ?
10:39<Althaser>mbroeker modutils will be disappear ;)
10:39<paulliu>angelo, passwords are in /etc/shadow...
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10:40<mbroeker>Althaser, you mean, i have to read the man page more carefully the next time, eh?
10:40<angelo>paulliu .. ok so if I put passwd and shadow from my old system in the new /etc folder .. all the users will be the same ?
10:40<paulliu>angelo, yes..
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10:40<angelo>paulliu thnx
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10:41<paulliu>angelo, please remember to keep the permission and user/group of those files..
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10:42<angelo>how do I let a Sxx in rc.2 redirect to a script I made ?
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10:46<[gloom]>angelo: cd /etc/rc2.d; rm Sxx; ln -s yourscript Sxx
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10:50<Sent>amp: tnx for helping, but mijn problem is still the same. When i copy a movie the system hangs.. this time without the message from APIC
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11:12<lupine_85>I'm trying to get a debian i386 install (started as a chroot) to boot, and I'm running across the 'waiting for root filesystem' problem... the initramfs never sets up /, causing the boot to hang. I've tried adding a number of modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules , and I've installed udev in the chroot
11:12<lupine_85>any further suggestions?
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11:14<mbroeker>lupine_85, what kind of ide chipset do you have? sis nvidia? or sata, pata or scsi?
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11:15<lupine_85>I'm in an amd64 lenny right now and it all boots fine, so I'm at a bit of a loss :D
11:16<mbroeker>but you want to boot it normally or emulated somehow?
11:16<lupine_85>normally, from grub
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11:17<mbroeker>ok your root partition is on /dev/hda1 or so ?
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11:18<lupine_85>it's lvm
11:18<lupine_85>I've added the lvm modules (dm_*) to the initramfs-tools/modules file
11:18<mbroeker>lupine_85, tell me the kernel boot line
11:19<Newew>Can I get network config info in here ?
11:19<lupine_85>kernel /boot/lenny_i386/vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/main-lenny_i386 ro noresume
11:19<lupine_85>I've also tried with acpi & apm disabled
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11:19<lupine_85>(the kernels are on /dev/sda1)
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11:20<mbroeker>ok. thats what i wanted to know
11:20<mbroeker>sorry, my "trick" doesnt work for you
11:20<mbroeker>because you are on a scsi enabled sys right now
11:21<lupine_85>eh? I don't have any scsi at all
11:22<mbroeker>i have ordinary ide controllers on my board
11:22<lupine_85>you mean, non-sata?
11:22<Newew>How can I make "pump" or "dhclient3" exit after obtaining dhcp info, rather than continuing to listen at ANY:68 ??
11:22<mbroeker>and as i installed from the cd a few days ago, everything worked fine except the matter of fact that i wasnt been able to boot the damn installation
11:23<Newew>If that's somehow impractical, can I least have it listen at instead of ?
11:23<mbroeker>so i added kernel /vmlinuz root/dev/sda5 hda=ide-scsi to the command line and was able to repair it
11:23<mbroeker>normally it boots from /dev/hda5
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11:24<mbroeker>lupine_85, but thats not possible for you, because your disks are already "scsi" enabled
11:24<mbroeker>scsi works as a wrapper for everything here. emulated.
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11:28<fgh>when i apt-get installed linux kernel 2.6.21-2-686 i got /boot/config-2.6.21-2-686 Is that my current running kernel config and a nice config to start with when im going to make changes to the kernel?
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11:29<lupine_85>well, thanks anyway mbroeker
11:29<lupine_85>I'm comparing the initramfs's now to see what the differences are
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11:30<seanius>fgh: yes
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11:31<lupine_85>The i386 initramfs is missing vgchange, and who knows what else. anyone know how I convince update-initramfs to do it correctlty?
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11:32<marco_>Hello all
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11:33<marco_>i would like to say that the solution given by you guys worked out.
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11:36<Newewew>How can I get the dhcp client to exit after it has obtained network info? I can't believe I'm the only one who needs to know this. I've googled for the answer a dozen different ways already.
11:36<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to troubleshoot samba? I am trying to allow my partner's Windows box access to my filesystems, and my Linux box access to his disk
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11:37<chealer>Newewew: you don't want to have a dhclient3 process in the background?
11:37<Newewew>Do sysadmins just leave the gaping port open at and block it with a firewall?
11:37<marco_>you can use swat to configure your samba
11:38<Newewew>No, I don't, especially at Maybe at I'd tolerate it.
11:38<EmleyMoor>marco_: swat? How?
11:39<chealer>Newewew: if you don't mind, why? listening DHCP on lo is useless.
11:39<Newewew>After I've obtained network, the open port is just a security hazard.
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11:40<marco_>use the synaptic package manager to install swat
11:40<marco_> then call your browser and do "localhost:901
11:40<EmleyMoor>Ah... I see... well, I am installing it now
11:41<Newewew>You may be right about that. I haven't found a way to test pump or dhclient3 at, to see whether it is sufficient for net config.
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11:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... getting a 403
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11:42<angelo>is there a way to auto sync the passwd/shadow file with samba ?? it's a bitch to manually change everything in samba all the time
11:43<Newewew>Do you have port 68 always open, but blocked by firewall? Is that the standard professional technique?
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11:43<marco_>maybe the service is not yet working
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11:44<marco_>did you try it again ?
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11:45<marco_>one moment
11:45<knovak>is there any way to list what programs (or processes rather) have which ports open now?
11:45<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to ditch my smb.conf, somehow go to a default and then swat from there?
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11:48<Newewew>I usually use "netstat -wantup" as root
11:48<Newewew>(list what programs (or processes rather) have which ports open)
11:48<knovak>cool, thanks
11:49<marco_>please go to /etc
11:50<marco_>and see if in your inetd.conf you have the swat line without the "#"
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11:50<Newewew>BTW, Do you have port 68 open ?
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11:50<EmleyMoor>marco_: Indeed I do. The service runs but tells me 403
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11:52<neoport0>hey im going to install bsd on my other comptuer but im going to do it via internet
11:52<neoport0>i need to know how to get some information
11:53<neoport0>i get all they way up to were i have to input this
11:53<neoport0>Fill in your IP network settings and select "OK" to continue
11:54<neoport0>how do i find out about the host
11:54<neoport0>ipv4 gatway
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11:54<neoport0>ipv4 address
11:54<marco_>it's strange it shoiuld work
11:54<neoport0>and netmask
11:54<Myon>neoport0: use DHCP
11:54<Myon>and ask on a BSD channel
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11:55<neoport0>how do i get that information of all that tho
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11:55<neoport0>i have tryed to go to bsd boards
11:55<neoport0>and find anyone in any of them
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11:56<Myon>well, this is the wrong channel
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11:56<marco_>did you recieved the file ?
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11:57<Newewew>maybe in #debian-community, they say "we will try to be helpful to random questions"
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11:57<guillaume>hello I 've a pb with skype under lenny amd64, I get this output : skype: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, can someone explain me what's wrong ? I've follow an howto to make the install.
11:58<roger>alguin me puede ayudar con los drivers d envidia?
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11:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:58<angelo>hey how come I dont have /dev/dsp ?? I have compiled the right audio chip in the kernel ... ?
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11:58<snake12>hey, can anyone here help with ntfs mouting issues?
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11:59<guillaume>snake12: describe your pb
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12:00<snake12>i can mount ntfs drives just fine, by specifying the /dev/...
12:00<snake12>but I want to mount by usb drives with LABEL=
12:00<snake12>mount -a then says it "Cannot mount" "no such file or directory"
12:01<snake12>i can mount ext2 and ext3 drives with LABEL= just fine
12:01<fatal_>snake12: try using /dev/disk/by-label/* ?
12:01<snake12>what do you mean bu that?
12:02<EmleyMoor>The Windows box is not finding any of my shares
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12:02<snake12>i see it now
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12:02<guillaume>snake12: i use afuse for ntfs and it's working pretty well maybe you can try that
12:03<snake12>i'm using the ntfs-3g driver with fuse
12:03<snake12>is that significantly different?
12:03<guillaume>snake12: nope but devices mount automaticaly
12:03<Newewew>guillaume: tried apt-get install libdbus-qt-1-1c2 ?
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12:07<guillaume>Newewew: the howto ask to create a .Lib32 folder for the user, I can't see into it the requested lib, I may have to use dpkg-deb ?
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12:07<Newewew> angelo, tried modprobe snd_seq_oss ?
12:07<marco_>EmleyMoor --> whish debian are you using
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12:08<marco_>4.0 ?
12:08<EmleyMoor>Windows box is telling me it can't find a share I know full well existsw
12:08<cahoot>angelo, you need snd-pcm-oss to get /dev/dsp with alsa
12:08<Newewew>If that fixes the audio, add snd-seq-oss to the modules configuration, to enable for every boot.
12:08<fredrik>I'm having trouble getting iwlwifi drivers to work. I have tried this guide.
12:08<fredrik>I receive no errors from it, and the modules load successfully but i cannot find a wlan0 device.
12:08<fredrik>What am I missing?
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12:09<guillaume>Newewew: how can I get the i386 lib ?
12:09<cahoot>fredrik, sudo iwconfig shows no other suspect?
12:09<guillaume>amd64 doesn't work
12:10<marco_>EmleyMoor --> did you recieved my pic ?
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12:10<EmleyMoor>Wasn't aware you were sending one, so no
12:11<salty-horse>hi. I filed a bug in the bts. someone changed the title and i wasn't informed. how can I ask the bts to nofity me of such changes?
12:11<Newewew>guillaume you could get it from
12:11<EmleyMoor>Samba used to work beautifully
12:12<guillaume>Newewew: thks
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12:12<neoport0>all i see is were it says do you want to use dhcp configuration of the interface yes or no
12:12<neoport0>i click yes?
12:12<marco_>EmleyMoor -->
12:12<ajcc>So moments later, I'm happy to say I got a brandnew custom kernel :D Now it's just to figure out how to make speedstep work. Thansk for all the help!
12:12<EmleyMoor>marco_: swat works now
12:13<EmleyMoor>It's samba that doesn't
12:13<fredrik>cahoot: sudo iwconfig outputs lo, eth0, irda0
12:13<fredrik>all with no wireless extensions
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12:14<marco_>EmleyMoor --> check if samba is running with ps -ef | grep smb
12:14<marco_>EmleyMoor --> and with ps -ef | grep nmb
12:14<EmleyMoor>Running, yes. Working, no
12:15<chealer>salty-horse: AFAIK that can't be done.
12:15<EmleyMoor>I need to find out what it IS doing, not what it isn't
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12:16<chealer>fredrik: which chipset?
12:16<cahoot>fredrik, is this with a debian kernel?
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12:17<salty-horse>chealer, so I can only get notifications for "fixed" status changes? is it ok to contact owner@bugs.debian with a feature request? or is there a more appropriate channel?
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12:17<EmleyMoor>Samba worked fine until this blasted XP box turned up
12:17<EmleyMoor>Is there something I have to adjust to get it to talk to XP?
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12:17<fredrik>chealer, Intel GM965 Express chipset;
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12:18<chealer>fredrik: the wireless chipset
12:18<fredrik>cahoot: kernel is
12:18<marco_>give me your /sbin/ifconfig
12:18<marco_>and do ipconfig in the XP box and tell me the configuration
12:18<chealer>salty-horse: yes, and you can subscribe to new messages sent to the report.
12:19<fredrik>ntel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN;
12:19<chealer>salty-horse: it would be better to file a wishlist bug.
12:19<fredrik>chealer, Intel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN;
12:19<marco_>can you ping the XP box from your debian ?
12:19<marco_>and vice-versa ?
12:19<salty-horse>chealer, how can I subscribe? if it's doable, i don't need to file a bug. (bug against what package? "bts" doesn't exist)
12:19<ajcc>Yay! Now I got everything working, speedstep with conservative governor and tiny kernel
12:20<chealer>fredrik: OK. well, Debian doesn't really support your chipset. it's probably best to ask the iwlwifi developers.
12:20<fredrik>chealer> okay
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12:22<Newewew>fredrik IIRC, my ubuntu laptop creates eth1 (not wlan0) when I plug in a wireless card
12:22<chealer>salty-horse: (that's the name of the pseudopackage)
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12:23<fredrik>Newewew, well i only have eth0 and lo
12:23<Newewew>fredrik luse the dmesg command
12:23<fredrik>Newewew, ?
12:23<Newewew>fredrik dmesg.
12:23<salty-horse>chealer, I was looking for "notification" and missed "subscribe" :) .... this is what i want:
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12:24<Newewew>fredrik unplug and plu your wireless device and see what dmesg says, if anything.
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12:24<fredrik>aaah ... now i find some error messages. Should I paste in channel?
12:25<Newewew>If it's all-in-one-line, I'd say it's okay
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12:25<fredrik>7-8 lines
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12:26<Newewew>Anybody else "helping" you with this?
12:26<chealer>salty-horse: that's just something that would keep you from having to mail ######-subscribe@bugs.d.o for each bug your report.
12:26<fredrik>Newewew, Nope unfortunately not
12:26<Newewew>pm then
12:26<chealer>salty-horse: as what I wrote implied, I don't think that will subscribe you to bug status changes (other than fixed, as you wrote)
12:26<azeem>fredrik: paste it to a pastebin
12:26<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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12:27<salty-horse>chealer, I'll just wait for a status change and see.. aren't "status changes" regular messages? I think I *should* get them..
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12:28<Newewew>Hehe, my gf likes to whisper Capt DickHard
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12:28<chealer>salty-horse: not necessarily. status changes other than closes must be sent to control@bugs.d.o. sometimes the manipulator will Cc: ######@bugs.d.o, but not always.
12:29<azeem>fredrik: did you get the firmware?
12:29<salty-horse>chealer, are you sure about that, or should I check the source code before filing a wishlist?
12:31<fredrik>azeem, yes
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12:32<fredrik>wait i think i found error now
12:32<chealer>salty-horse: I'm 90% sure. what is the bug report that triggered your question?
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12:32<fredrik>the file has apparently the wrong name in the latest release
12:32<Newewew>modprobe iwl4965
12:32<fredrik>Newewew, done
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12:32<Newewew>Now try and see what dmesg says
12:33<salty-horse>chealer, - it's package request - I got no notification when someone agreed to package it
12:33<fredrik>nothing new
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12:33<fredrik>but i renamed firmware now. Do i need to reboot?
12:34<fredrik>i think the file had the wrong name. it was name whatever-4965-1.ucode
12:34<chealer>salty-horse: OK. the message that changed the title is;bug=438615
12:35<Newewew>where? in /lib/firmware ?
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12:35<azeem>fredrik: there's the firmware-ipw3945 package
12:35<chealer>salty-horse: since that's not Cc-ed to, it doesn't appear in the bug report log, so it's not a "regular message", no. I believe subscribing to a bug report won't let you see these messages.
12:36<salty-horse>chealer, ok. i'll file a wishlist
12:36<Newewew>what azeem said :-)
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12:36<fredrik>azeem, But i have 4965 yes?
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12:37<Newewew>Remember dmesg said "Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN"
12:37<azeem>fredrik: uh, sorry
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12:37<azeem>looked at the wrong column
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12:38<fredrik>Newewew, yes?
12:38<Newewew>still there may be a deb package for your chipset
12:38<Newewew>I didn't match up the numbers either :-(
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12:40<Newewew>google for it..
12:40<fredrik>I couldn
12:40<fredrik>t find any
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12:41<fredrik>I will try earlier versions
12:42<Newewew>$ tar -xzvf iwlwifi-4965-ucode-2.14.4.tgz
12:42<Newewew>$ sudo cp iwlwifi-4965-ucode /lib/firmware
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12:43<Newewew>That's spoonfed, but still no guarantee :)
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12:46<florian>oss can use the soundcards correct but alsa aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found...
12:47<Eulex>well, so is alsa configured correctly?
12:47<florian>if i execute alsaconf it removes the soundcards completely
12:47<Eulex>and does it find anything?
12:47<Eulex>what is it supposed to find?
12:47<florian>are there any driver for alsa in apt ?
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12:48<florian>it`s just unloading all modules etc.
12:48<florian>but it isn`t finding anything
12:48<Eulex>what sound card with what chipset is it supposed to find?
12:48<florian>Burr-Brown Japan Burr-Brown Japan PCM2702 at usb-0000:00:1
12:48<chealer>florian: there are ALSA drivers in Debian, yes.
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12:49<florian>chealer which package?
12:49<chealer>florian: linux-image-*
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12:49<florian>-.- i`m using the standard kernel
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12:49<Eulex>florian, emh, that one sounds odd. usb-attached device? might need something special to be done to work.
12:50<florian>ordinary not
12:50<florian>it works with suse and ubuntu
12:51<Eulex>florian, _alsa_ works with it on suse and ubuntu?
12:51<florian>yes with my soundcards
12:52<Eulex>what version of debian? etch?
12:52<florian>Debian 4.1.1-21
12:53<Eulex>that does not look like a debian version number, it looks like a gcc version number.
12:54<florian>where to find the version number?
12:54<florian>it`s the actual one
12:54<azeem>cat /etc/debian_version
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12:55<Eulex>ok. well, I assume as if it works with suse and ubuntu, it should work with debian too, as it uses the same drivers and the same kernel. it just might need some manual setup.
12:57<Eulex>you might want to find out the chipset name of your sound card and what alsa driver it is supposed to use, then look it up in
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12:59<nickie12>Would someone here be so nice and tell me how to include drivers in the netinstall installer?
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13:00<flami>Hi , im thinking of setting up a lvm , so i thought to put the / (and /boot) into "classic" partitions and make all the rest as lvm . or can I also put / into an lvm ( hough i cant imagine how id do that because when making the lvm the / partition would be deleted wouldnt it ? )
13:00<nickie12>I know how to compile and include them on an installed system, but in the installing system itself?
13:00<lupine_85>flami: only /boot has to be in an lvm partition
13:00<lupine_85>erm, non-lvm partition
13:01<lupine_85>modern debian will load lvm up in the initramfs and so will be able to mount /
13:01<lupine_85>just make sure you call update-initramfs after installing lvm-common and lvm2
13:01<flami>so how would i get / into an lvm :P I need to boot to make the lvm ...
13:02<lupine_85>sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. is this a new or existing install?
13:02<flami>its an existing one but i can reinstall it
13:02<flami>can you create the lvm during install ?
13:03<lupine_85>the installer has good support for lvm, yes
13:03<lupine_85>it's possible to move your current / over to lvm without reinstalling, but it's generally a hassle - especially if you don't have oodles of free disc space
13:03<flami>ok so i chose in the installer if i want an lvm and it does everything?
13:04<flami>ahh ok
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13:05<Metalqga>do you think debian devs can cooperate with mepis devs?
13:06<azeem>mepis devs never bothered to cooperate so far
13:06<nickie12|2channels>depends on the devs
13:06<nickie12|2channels>some probably do it every day
13:07<Metalqga>just read an article in which is stated that debian devs are free to use mepis recompiled packages
13:08<azeem>what are mepid recompiled package?
13:08<nickie12|2channels>i think just compiled packages from mepis
13:08<Metalqga>ask Woodford :D
13:08<azeem>Debian certainly won't take compiled packages
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13:08<azeem>Mepis devs are free to contribute to Debian, of course
13:09<Metalqga>i hope they do
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13:10<nickie12|2channels>why wouldn't debian use compiled packages if the source is under a dfsg-compilant license? less compiling work for them.
13:10<chealer>Metalqga: MEPIS has little reason to exist these days. if MEPIS devs would feel like contributing to Debian, they would probably be DD-s.
13:10<chealer>nickie12|2channels: Debian binary packages need to be compiled either by Debian maintainers or build daemons.
13:11<fgh>why use ALSA and not OSS sound drivers?
13:11<nickie12|2channels>can't they include binaries in .deb packages?
13:11<Metalqga>alsa ha a better name :D
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13:12<chealer>nickie12|2channels: a .deb *is* a Debian binary package (whether it contains "binaries" or not)
13:12<azeem>nickie12|2channels: .deb packages are binaries, usually
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13:12<Whoppix27>help me
13:13<Metalqga>whoppix shoot
13:13<simonrvn>!tell Whoppix27 -about ask
13:13<simonrvn>read what the bot told you
13:13<nickie12|2channels>so it isn't possible to include pre-compiled binaries in .debs, you have to compile them right into .debs?
13:14<Metalqga>actually you first compile then make the package
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13:17<Metalqga>nickie open a deb package with archive manager and see how it's organized
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13:17<florian><Eulex> you might want to find out the chipset name of your sound card and what alsa driver it is supposed to use, then look it up in
13:18<Metalqga>Unreal Tournament 3 For Linux Confirmed
13:18<chealer>Metalqga: he would rather need to check a source package to determine that
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13:19<Metalqga>i'm a noob myself
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13:21<Metalqga>today i erased my /home partition by mistake, i'm glad i heard about mondo here..
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13:22<florian>is PCM2702 a chipset?
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13:23<ben_goodger>sounds like a sound chip
13:24<florian>so i need to find the driver for it -.-
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13:26<florian>it works with snd-via82xx
13:26<florian>how to autoload it?
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13:27<simonrvn>/etc/modules; you should know this by now, you've been around a while
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13:44<stoned>simonrvn: I never chat here
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14:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:11<DeViLs>dpkg I eat I setup the adsl into the debian 4.0?
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14:14<seanius>DeViLs: como == "how do i", not "I eat", i think :)
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14:16<fgh>when im trying to compike a new kernel with; 'make-kpkg --revision=kuk.0.1 kernel_image' i got a lot of ".config:1858:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLUEZ_HCIVHCI" warnings and then something that looks like 'make config' starts?? (* Linux Kernel Configuration)
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14:16<zms>fgh: you edited .config by hand?
14:17<fgh>zms: no
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14:17<fgh>but hm, saved my menuconfig changes to another .config file
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14:18<Metalqga>copy the fgh.config to .config by hand
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14:21<fgh>ah, now thats better :)
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14:24<Metalqga>do you know, my overclocked cpu couldnt compile the kernel, gave a hardware error, when I downclocked it, the kernel compiled happily
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14:31<fgh>hope my overclocked cpu can compile then :)
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14:40<abhiver>somebody please help
14:40<abhiver>i have trouble setting up the 1440*900 resolution on my nvidia
14:44<mbroeker>my monitor is able to present this resolution with 60Hz
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14:44<mbroeker>abhiver, fb or X Res?
14:45<abhiver>i have a syncmaster 920 nw
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14:45<abhiver>ah i am a total have no idea about either it is fb or X res
14:45<mbroeker>and i have a gericom 1797PF 30-90. 50-150
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14:46<mbroeker>abhiver, do you want the Resolution for gnome, kde, xfce or the console?
14:46<abhiver>ah for gnome
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14:47<mbroeker>ok thats a resolution for the X Server and not for the frame buffer device
14:47<mbroeker>and which driver do you use? nv or nvidia?
14:47<abhiver>presently nv
14:48<abhiver>but with nvidia the resolution isnt working
14:48<abhiver>it is not able to fit the resolutino to screen
14:48<mbroeker>well, nv is the gpl driver and nvidia is the non-free driver from nvidia itself
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14:49<mbroeker>abhiver, it works but it looks not good?
14:50<abhiver>yeah with nv the graphics arent that good
14:50<abhiver>and i would like to know why nvidia wont work with the same resolution
14:50<mbroeker>i mean: you have the resolution but it looks ugly zoomed in or out
14:51<abhiver>with nv?
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14:51<abhiver>no it doesnt
14:52<mbroeker>ok: and what is presented ?
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14:52<mbroeker>is there an error message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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14:53<abhiver>with nvidia it shows a black vertical bar at the right side of screen
14:53<mbroeker>wait click this link: file:///var/log/messages/Xorg.0.log ( works as root or after chmod 644 /var/log/Xorg.0.log )
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14:54<abhiver>should i open this link in the browser?
14:54<mbroeker>wait click this link: file:///var/log/Xorg.0.log ( works as root or after chmod 644 /var/log/Xorg.0.log )
14:54<mbroeker>its this one ! sorry
14:54<dondelelcaro>just less it
14:54<dondelelcaro>(and it's 644 by default, anyway)
14:54<abhiver>how do i do that?
14:55<abhiver>i opened the link
14:55<mbroeker>and do you see some strange things at the end?
14:55<abhiver>strange as in?
14:55<zms>are xen/linux kernels for host only created by xensource?!
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14:56<abhiver>mbroeker should i paste you the last few lines of that link?
14:57<mbroeker>well paste the complete file at
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14:59<abhiver>okay done
14:59<abhiver>pasted it as nick abhiver in plain text
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15:00<waterjacket>am I allowed to set an IP as static if that IP is in the DHCP range
15:01<ranix>yeah but it's not recommended
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15:01<waterjacket>how do I know which address is out of range
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15:02<ranix>ask your network administrator
15:02<waterjacket>I don't think that there is one... not really anyway
15:03<abhiver>mbroeker should i paste the link to nopaste here?
15:03<flub>check the machine that gives out the addresses
15:03<waterjacket>is there a way to tell using a ping sweep or anything like that
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15:04<mbroeker>abhiver, i found your paste
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15:04<abhiver>oh okay
15:04<mbroeker>i can see that your glx extension does not work.
15:04<waterjacket>why is it so darn hard to set a static IP
15:05<flub>it's not, it just helps if you know your network layout :-)
15:05<abhiver>what to do then?
15:05<ranix>are you in the right channel, waterjacket? you sound like you're looking for #ubuntu
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15:05<waterjacket>nope, not ubuntu.... I am new though
15:06<flub>waterjacket: are you at a home network or somewhere public?
15:06<waterjacket>it's an apartment
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15:06<flub>are you boss of the router?
15:06<waterjacket>with wireless. I have a switch that connects to the wireless and lets me plug into it
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15:07<ranix>waterjacket: you do have a network administrator then, if the network is owned by the landlord
15:07<ranix>if you're chewing the airwaves for free intertron though you're out of luck
15:07<waterjacket>no, I have a WEP
15:08<ranix>ah cool. Just ask the landlord which ip you can use as static
15:08<kv>why there isn't skype in the package list?
15:08<ranix>or you can pick one at random and hope you get lucky
15:09<ranix>skype is non-free, no?
15:09<flub>kv: it's non-free
15:09<weasel>because skype is non-free, proprietary software?
15:09<mbroeker>abhiver, you need to reinstall the glx software on your system. apt-get install xorg-server-nv libgl1-mesa-glx
15:09<kv>flub, hell yeah it is :)
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15:10<abhiver>it says this
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15:11<abhiver>E: couldn't find package xorg-server-nv
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15:12<ranix>my space stations are creating products
15:12<mbroeker>damn i dont know all the package names. mom i am looking
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15:12<ranix>so good
15:12<fgh>abhiver: xserver-xorg-video-nv
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15:12<kv>flub, ok, i didn't quite get what did you mean with "non-free"
15:12<fgh>might be the one your looking for
15:13<ranix>kv: not libre
15:13<mbroeker>abhiver, you need to reinstall the glx software on your system. apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv libgl1-mesa-glx
15:13<kv>ranix, what? sorry my english isn't that good
15:13<mbroeker>and read the man page for reinstalling already installed software
15:13<ranix>kv: in bondage, strapped into serfdom by oppressive overlords
15:13<flub>kv: the license probably forbids redistrubution by debian
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15:13<flub>in some or more ways
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15:14<ranix>kv: the Underground Software Railroad has yet to rescue Skype
15:14<kv>flub, so it can't be installed by aptitude?
15:14<flub>i don't really know skype tbh
15:14<abhiver>okay done
15:14<flub>but i don't think so
15:14<flub>you'll have to get it from skype itself and install by hand
15:15<flub>ranix: there's SIP for those who want voip...
15:15<flub>no need to rescue skype
15:16<mr_flea>can someone please look at my compile failure and possibly tell me what i'm missing/doing wrong/forgetting?:
15:16<mbroeker>abhiver, try to reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:16<ranix>flub: we don't rescue worthless slaves?
15:16<ranix>what kind of vigilante are you
15:16<flub>are they worthless slaves?
15:16<flub>they chose their own path
15:16<kv>Debian kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold
15:16<kv>what the hell is this?
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15:16<flub>it's not like SIP didn't exist when they created their own protocol
15:16<ranix>kv: your processor is on fire
15:16<kv>my computer beeps, and this text appears in terminal
15:17<kv>ranix, omg :D
15:17<ranix>kv: you don't need no water, let the mother burn
15:17<ranix>kv: we didn't start the fire; it was always burning
15:17<abhiver>mbroeker the nvidia driver works,it even shows the logo
15:17<ranix>seriously though, turn off your computer
15:17<abhiver>glx is enabled
15:17<kv>ranix, is there any tool like everst on widows, where i can see my temperature?
15:18<abhiver>still it cant show the resolution properly
15:18<flub>the sensors might not be configured properly
15:18<ranix>kv: yes
15:18<flub>that has happend to me in the past
15:18<kv>ranix, and it would be ... ?
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15:18<ranix> has a good repository of information on system monitoring software
15:18<fgh>kv: sensors
15:18<flub>kv: acpi or lm-sensors
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15:19<kv>thank you
15:19<abhiver>i searched for it on net and found this
15:19<samoth13>escuse me do you know what we can do with this module??? modprobe ip_nat_irc
15:20<samoth13>it' with iptables
15:21<abhiver>seems like others too are having the same problem
15:21<samoth13>thanks i go
15:21<abhiver>so is there a fix for it?
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15:21<kv>and what should i do with my temparature? change the paste on my processor?
15:22<dondelelcaro>kv: first check what your bios says
15:22<ameyer>CPU temperature sensors are notoriously inaccurate anyway...
15:22<dondelelcaro>kv: odds are it's more accurate than what is being reported in sensors
15:23<samoth13>ca devait pas etre pour moi cette page....
15:23<flub>if it's really to hot then you have to think about airflow, fans, heat sinks etc
15:23<dondelelcaro>well, there's really no reason for the CPU sensor to be off by more than 3-5C, unless they're totally incompetent.
15:23<mbroeker>abhiver, the logo comes from the non-free driver
15:24<dondelelcaro>(I mean, it's always telling you the temperature at the sensor, but at least that should be relatively accurate)
15:24<mbroeker>and you are using the free nv-driver. i am out. to difficult for me.
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15:25<abhiver>thanks anyway
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15:27<chealer>mr_flea: are the Linux headers installed?
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15:28<mr_flea>chealer, yes; and build-essential is also installed
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15:32<EmleyMoor>What are the requirements to, if possible, plug in a USB mouse as an additional mouse, leaving the PS/2 one unafffected (or temporarily disabled)?
15:32<EmleyMoor>(in X)
15:32<weasel>"just do it"?
15:33<gravity>EmleyMoor: Be running udev and have your X server looking at /dev/input/mice
15:33<EmleyMoor>weasel: Ummm... it didn't - maybe because I didn't have support in my kernel. I am adding it
15:33<EmleyMoor>gravity: OK, we will see...
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15:34<EmleyMoor>Is USB keyboard support fairly simple too?
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15:39<mr_flea>if this helps, they successfully got iwlwifi to compile in this article:
15:42<waterjacket>ranix: I don't enough to know what to put for network, broadcasting, gateway, and such
15:42<fgh>why would i want to use alsa sounddrivers, not oss?
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15:44<flub>waterjacket: all the same as you got from dhcp, assuming you're still on the same subnet
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15:46<Guest1295>anyone there?
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15:49<waterjacket>is there somewhere I can get an example of the config file for a static IP
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15:50<seanius>waterjacket: you could start with man interfaces
15:50<waterjacket>thanks. I will do both
15:50<seanius>also /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
15:52<mbroeker>well in front of me is the internet, behind me some housework. i take a break...
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16:02<kv>sorry to bother you, where could i copy from testing repositories, can't find anywhere
16:02<kv>i mean where could could i cpy testing repositories
16:03<kv>just installed debian like an hout ago
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16:06<mr_flea>kv, you mean something like "deb testing main non-free contrib"?
16:07<kv>wow, thanks, where did you find it?
16:07<mr_flea>in my sources.list
16:07<nicolas>Hi!, first time in a irc chat :D
16:07<kv>nicolas, hello :)
16:08<kv>mr_flea, and beore you addes it to you sources.list? :)
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16:08<mr_flea>kv, i don't understand your last question
16:09<nicolas>i think he try to say that before you add the line to your source.list
16:09<nicolas>and then make an apt-get update
16:09<kv>sin't taht what i said? :)
16:10<mr_flea>nicolas, i got that much, but i don't see a question there
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16:10<kv><kv> wow, thanks, where did you find it?
16:10<kv><mr_flea> in my sources.list
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16:11<nicolas>maybe it wasn't a question
16:11<kv>it was :)
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16:11[~]mr_flea is confused
16:12<nicolas>mr_flea, where did you get that debian repository?
16:12<kv>oh god, was that repository in sources.list by default?
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16:13<mr_flea>oh, stable, testing, and unstable are all valid repositories, and you can just change a name like "lenny" or "etch" to one of those three because they all use the same URL
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16:13<Bil>Salut à vous tous!!mais sa marche ce truc aussi? je suis tout tout nouvo et ya des frenchy en pus ?
16:14<Tuplad>this is wonderful
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16:14<Tuplad>people enter an english chat, everyone speaks English, even the motd is English - yet they talk a foreign language :D
16:15<Bil>linux is not simple in english en, pus !
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16:16<Bil>ya de l'aide ici?
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16:16<chealer>!tell Bil about fr
16:16<kv>mr_flea, so the "etch" means testing, unstable or what? :)
16:16<nicolas>anybody knows where i can get a repository for debian?
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16:16<chealer>Bil: oui, mais seulement en anglais.
16:16<chealer>!tell nicolas about mirros
16:16<chealer>!tell nicolas about mirrors
16:16<Bil>nannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !
16:17<Bil>cet po possible
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16:17<mr_flea>kv: i think etch is currently testing
16:17<Bil>it is not possible !
16:17<lorenzod8n>kv: etch is current stable
16:17<lorenzod8n>lenny is current testing
16:17<lorenzod8n>sid is permanent unstable
16:17<nicolas>kv, the etch means testing
16:17<chealer>nah, lenny is the binoculars!
16:17<kv>than you, very helpful :)
16:18<Bil>chealer fr?
16:18<chealer>Bil: yes, but I don't participate in #debian-fr
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16:18<Bil>pease where I can talk fr with another please?
16:18<chealer>Bil: in #debian-fr
16:19<Tuplad>Bil: /join #debian-fr
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16:19<Tuplad>people in debian chat are friendly :o
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16:20<nicolas>yes! :D, here are everybody friendly :D
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16:20<nicolas>does anybody know where can i find a xgl repo??
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16:21<Bil>t y i try to found it by!
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16:22<nicolas>does anybody knows a repo for xgl?
16:23<streuner>dpkg, test
16:23<dpkg>Test Failed.
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16:24<Tuplad>I have a problem with my mp3 folder. It can only be modified(delete, move, copy, etc.) by root. I tried chown -hR vlad:vlad /mnt/D/mp3 ... I get output that everything is fine, but I still see a lock on the folder and I still can't move anything into the folder :\
16:24<kop>nicolas : My guess is that repo is not the right word. Have you tried poking about the packages search pages at
16:24<nicolas>Tuplad, i can help you with that
16:24<Tuplad>nicolas: please do :)
16:25<nicolas>Tuplad, do you know spanish?, i have a website that can help you, but it's in spanish
16:25<Tuplad>nicolas: nope, but can you pass me the site ? :]
16:26<nicolas>Tuplad, the website it's
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16:26<nicolas>Tuplad, i solved your same problem with that website
16:27<Tuplad>nicolas: may I PM you ?
16:27<nicolas>Tuplad, yes
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16:28<nicolas>kop, i never tryed searching in the website because i heard that nobody have a precompiled .deb of xgl
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16:29<amphi>nicolas: there is one
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16:29<nicolas>amphi, thank you very much!
16:30<amphi>nicolas: I don't use xgl, so I know nothing about it
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16:42<nicolas>bad repository :S
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16:42<prower>Hello :> I haven't tried this yet, has anyone had good experience with installing the nvidia drivers from the official website in etch? I have a card that's rather buggy in 8776 but fixed in the latest drivers :>
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16:46<mbroeker>prower, its really simple to install
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16:47<chealer>prower: installing them isn't the problem
16:47<messenger>hola como andas
16:47<messenger>como andas
16:47<prower>chealer: Oh...well what is the problem then? :>
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16:50<prower>Hmm, well I'll give it a try, I'm sure if any issues come up I'll be able to find my way back here somehow ;> Probably through the console
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16:51<lupine_85>question: when I try ping as a normal user, I'm getting "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted"; it works fine as root, so obviously a permissions issue. does anyone know what setting(s) I need to be looking at?
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16:53<Tuplad>what if in my sources.list there is deb <server> sarge main and I use etch - will it update from there if the package is on THAT server ?
16:53<lorenzod8n>lupine_85: I had that once, turned out the NIC was dying.
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16:54<knovak>Tuplad, yes, it should
16:54<knovak>debian doesn't actually care what version you are using, if you give it the package repo, it'll use it
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16:54<Tuplad>knovak: oh, that's great ) thank you
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16:54<knovak>me personally, I use the unstable repo
16:55<kv>why? :D
16:55<knovak>I like newer things :)
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16:55<kv>i need opinnions, just installed debian, newbie so neeed some advices
16:55<knovak>and I like to know that an update may kill my computer
16:55<Tuplad>on stable, the software is actually very stable, but sometimes very outdated
16:55<Tuplad>lol knovak
16:55<lorenzod8n>kv: stick with stable if you are a newbie.
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16:56<kv>i thought i should better use testing
16:56<knovak>I remember this time an update invalidated my xorg and I was like, oh crap
16:56<kv>lorenzod8n, but still - i want updated software
16:56<knovak>I only had the one problem in like 3 years with the unstable repos
16:56<Tuplad>kv: read the man on - a new package goes to unstable, then it goes through the testing phase (weeks, months, years) and then when it's aight it goes to stable :)
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16:56<lorenzod8n>kv: well, that's okay, but then be ready to live with the consequences ;-)
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16:57<lorenzod8n>kv: personally I have an etch base system, but picked packages from here and there.
16:57<knovak>I forgot the repo for unsupported packages like mplayer with all the codecs and etc
16:57<lorenzod8n>For instance, KDE4 which is not quite in experimental yet..
16:58<kv>i installed debian like 2 hours ago, and found something that i don't like
16:58<kv>that i have too manuaaly add repo to install something, like skype
16:58<knovak>you can use synaptic, you can do it through the gui
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16:59<lorenzod8n>kv: because of Debian's policy.
16:59<amphi>kv: blame skype
16:59<kv>on fbsd and gentoo it wasn't like that, but i didn't lliek these ones
16:59<kv>and automatix - what's that?
16:59<amphi>kv: pure evil
16:59<Tuplad>kv: man automatix ?
16:59<lorenzod8n>kv: what's wrong with Free BSD?
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16:59<kv>amphi, actually deluge and few other apps weren't bt default in the repo
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17:00<Berge>lorenzod8n: Lack of a proper packaging system.
17:00<amphi>kv: read ttp:// on automatix, and be afraid
17:00<lorenzod8n>Berge: ?? I've never had problems with it..
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17:00<Berge>lorenzod8n: I have. Lots.
17:00<dpkg>Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia. Ubuntu also dislikes it:
17:00<lorenzod8n>My main issue with Free BSD would be hardware support.
17:01<lorenzod8n>That's the reason I have Debian on this laptop.
17:01<themill_>Note the last bit about automatix in particular.
17:01<Berge>lorenzod8n: Well, I don't have an urge to compile every single package myself.
17:01<lorenzod8n>Otherwise I'm addicted to Free BSD.
17:01<amphi>themill_: yeah, that url is the important bit ;)
17:01<lorenzod8n>Berge: I don't compile my whole fbsd systems..
17:01<Berge>lorenzod8n: I just want a stable, consistent OS, with security updates added.
17:01<Berge>lorenzod8n: I've never got binary packages working.
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17:02<Berge>I don't want apache 2.2 when apache 2.0 has a security issue, for instance.
17:02<Berge>I just want a new apache 2.0 binary.
17:02<kv>lorenzod8n, well for starters, freebsd hasn't got flash support
17:02<kv>and linux-firefox didn't work
17:02<Berge>And I can't stand putting everything in /usr/local, but that's probably just me (-.
17:02<lorenzod8n>kv: okay, such things may be an issue. Not to me, but I see your point.
17:03<lorenzod8n>Berge: that is the way *bsd works.
17:03<Berge>lorenzod8n: But then again, I'm spoiled, coming from a Debian background.
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17:03<knovak>my first linux was SuSE, I hated it so much
17:03<lorenzod8n>Berge: well, I found Linux confusing after having used BSD for a long time, but gradually got used to it.
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17:04<Berge>lorenzod8n: Well, I can see that (-:
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17:04<knovak>nothing seemed to work, but then it turned out I just didn't like KDE
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17:04<knovak>then I got debian and then there's the whole package thing
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17:04<kv>I don't like KDE either :)
17:04<Berge>lorenzod8n: But I'm still confused about the state of packaging on FreeBSD.
17:04<knovak>it's nice
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17:04<Tuplad>Hmm, I'd like to install Exaile, but the stuff they ask to add to sources.list is made for ubuntu and I use debian etch, does THAT matter ?
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17:04<Berge>lorenzod8n: It's just.. not there yet.
17:05<knovak>Tupald, doesn't matter, they are compatible
17:05<Berge>Tuplad: Why do you want to add new repositories?
17:05<Tuplad>Berge: for exaile ;)
17:05<Berge>Tuplad: Isn't exaile in Debian?
17:05<knovak>the only thing that may arise is that the debian repos don't have some of th eother packages it depends on
17:05<Tuplad>Berge: not on mine
17:05<kv>Berge, that means i can add ubuntu's repos to deian?
17:05<Berge>Tuplad: It's in mine.
17:05<Tuplad>Berge: let me check then
17:05<lorenzod8n>kv: don't do that.
17:05<Berge>kv: No, you can't.
17:05<lupine_85>"sudo ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/ is really not such a good idea.!
17:05<Berge>kv: (Well, you _can_, but don't.)
17:06<lorenzod8n>kv: it may work *reasonably* well right at the beginning of a new Ubuntu cycle.
17:06<lorenzod8n>but after that..
17:06<Tuplad>Berge: zomg, it's there
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17:06<Berge>Tuplad: (-:
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17:07<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: zomg == zshell version of oh my God??
17:07<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: wahahaha, could be - picked it up a while ago in world of warcraft
17:07<Berge>lorenzod8n: (-;
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17:08<lorenzod8n>okay. Anyways for reference, the KDE version is, of course, KOMG.
17:08<Berge>And the Gnome version gomg?
17:09<Tuplad>since I use gnome, gomg!
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17:09<lorenzod8n>Berge: no the Gnome version is Tuscany since Gnome app names never indicate what they do..
17:09<Berge>lorenzod8n: Ah, obviously (-:
17:09<Tuplad>what's the difference between kde and gnome anyway ?
17:10<Berge>Tuplad: They're completely different implementations.
17:10<Berge>Both try to solve the same problem, though.
17:10<Tuplad>this is like my 4th/5th day of Debian, so I'm not really into that linux world
17:10<Berge>They're both desktop enviroments.
17:10<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: best thing is to try both.
17:10<Tuplad>I noticed though that KDE is easier to use when you come from windows
17:10<Berge>Tuplad: Mm, try both and others.
17:10<Berge>Find what you like.
17:10<Berge>Tuplad: Personally, I find Gnome easier.
17:10<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: I used KDE on SuSE long time ago, and on ALT Linux and Mandrake. Now I use Debian with gnome :]
17:10<seanius>kde is more "windows like", and is also generally much more hackable and configurable
17:10<Berge>But people differ.
17:11<seanius>gnome has a much more streamlined interface
17:11<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: currently trying a KDE4 beta on Debian.
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17:11<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: how is it ?
17:11<lorenzod8n>But I prefer window managers, really, with fvwm being my absolute favorite.
17:11<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: interesting. Most things don't work at the moment.
17:11<Tuplad>seanius: what's streamlined interface ?
17:12<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: hah!
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17:12<lorenzod8n>But konsole does, and that's all I need.
17:12<lupine_85>given the amount of hacking they've been doing, I was amazed that anything works :D
17:12<Tuplad>Berge: I like Gnome more too :) I only can't figure out how not to open a new window every time I open an other folder in an other folder
17:12<seanius>Tuplad: as in things are generally simpler and less configurable... which can be good or bad depending on what you want
17:12<Berge>Tuplad: Right-click, select "Browse folder"
17:12<lorenzod8n>I personally don't care much for the much-talked-about plasma.
17:12<Tuplad>seanius: oh I see
17:13<Tuplad>Berge: don't have that
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17:13<Berge>Tuplad: On your regular desktop?
17:13<Tuplad>Berge: oh wait, I do
17:13<Berge>Tuplad: gomg? (-;
17:14<knovak>you can configure nautilus, the file browser, to open default as the browser
17:14<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: a small tip, give spatial nautilus at least a chance.
17:14<lorenzod8n>I personally love it that way, but may take some getting used to.
17:14<knovak>edit->options Behavior tab, check the "always open in broswer windows"
17:14<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: :)
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17:15<Tuplad>knovak: hey, that's sexy, thanks
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17:16<kv>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
17:16<kv> skype depends on libqt4-core (>= 4.2.1); however:
17:16<kv>what the?
17:16<lorenzod8n>kv: you may have to enable at least testing repos then..
17:16<kv>i'm not installing from aptitude
17:17<kv>have an .deb pack on my desktop
17:17<lorenzod8n>Check the version of qt4-core with aptitude show libqt4-core
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17:17<lorenzod8n>kv: aptitude show libqt4-core
17:17<lorenzod8n>kv: that will show you the version available.
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17:18<kv>and i should install it with aptitude?
17:18<lorenzod8n>kv: yes, but what version?
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17:18<lorenzod8n>It must be 4.2.1 or higher.
17:18<kv> 4.3.0-4
17:19<lorenzod8n>That's okay then.
17:19<Mindtech>Can someone please cat their /etc/apt/source.list
17:19<Mindtech>I messed up my security sources
17:19<Mindtech>and I'm looking for the lines to copy/paste
17:19<lorenzod8n>kv: aptitude install qt4-core first, then dpkg --install your skype .deb
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17:20<lorenzod8n>kv: there may be other deps as well, but just install anything that skype asks for.
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17:22<angelo>hey for VMware I need to have the gcc-c++ package .. which one is that ?? :S I did install gcc
17:22<lorenzod8n>angel: g++
17:23<angelo>whats the package name in apt ? cuz if I search g++ then I get a zillion results
17:23<kv>how can i make my debin play windows media files
17:23<kv>i mean on the web
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17:24<lorenzod8n>angelo: aptitude search "g\+\+"
17:24<angelo>ah .. thnx :)
17:24<lorenzod8n>angelo: np.
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17:25<[gloom]>kv: install mplayer, and it has a built-in script that you must run to install the required w32 codecs to play win streams
17:25<kv>[gloom], whanks
17:25<Mindtech>If i use "deb etch/updates main " instead of "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free", I'll just get updates to the MAIN repository, correct?
17:25<angelo>how can I search in apt with a wild .. like *office or so ?
17:26<lorenzod8n>angelo: I normally use aptitude piped to grep.
17:26<lorenzod8n>angelo: aptitude search office | grep foo | grep bar
17:26<[gloom]>kv: the script is: /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ It will be there as soon as you install mplayer packages
17:27<lorenzod8n>will give packages with office, foo and bar.
17:27<Mr-R>Mindtech: i am unsure if the debian security team provides any updates besides main. but you are safe with contrib and non-free in there... :)
17:27<zms>angelo: apt-cache search <regexp>
17:27<Tuplad>awww I love debian <3
17:27<kv>I hate it :D
17:28<angelo>thnx again :)
17:28<Mindtech>Mr-R, is this good enough:
17:28<Mindtech>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29]/ etch contrib main
17:28<Mindtech>deb etch main
17:28<Mindtech>deb-src etch main
17:28<Mindtech>deb etch/updates main
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17:28<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: if you give some of the Debian love to kv then the two of you will be indifferent to debian
17:28<Tuplad>haha :D
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17:28<angelo>anyone btw tried to run Vmware 1.3 yet in debian 4 ?? cuz its being a bitch to me
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17:28<Mindtech>I missed your reply Mr-R
17:28<Tuplad>damn, I wish I knew about these commands before, and I wish someone told me to rtfm
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17:29<Tuplad>I was a nublet with all the previouses virusses, I never used the package managers to install anything - always the dependency hell, now in debian, apt-get install package , wonderful!
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17:30<[gloom]>Tuplad: did u use dselect?
17:30<kv>yeah, i just don't like that you have to add everytime a repo to install something :(
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17:30<lorenzod8n>kv: you don't.
17:30<kv>yeah, you do :)
17:31<lorenzod8n>kv: if you have the debian repositories + debian multimedia then you're mostly okay
17:31<Tuplad>[gloom]: looks cool, konsole won't show it though, doesn't support cyrillic :(
17:31<kv>what's the multimedia thing?
17:31<lorenzod8n>If you have specific needs, you'll need to add a few other repos.
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17:32<lorenzod8n>But after a while you'll have all the repos in your sources.list, and life gets stable.
17:32<[gloom]>konsole does not support cyrillic? are you sure? there has to be a way to solve this issue.
17:32<Tuplad>[gloom]: I'd give you a screenshot, but gnome-screenshot won't save them :\
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17:32<[gloom]>if you like apt, you are going to love dselect
17:32<lorenzod8n>kv: multimedia thing == what used to be christian marillat's repository
17:32<Tuplad>[gloom]: I LOVE apt
17:32<lorenzod8n>, IIRC
17:33<kv>lorenzod8n, who's he? :D
17:33<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: konsole should handle cyrillic, AFAIK
17:33<kop>Tuplad: You'll do even better with aptitude than you will with apt-get (or use the synaptic gui.) It will un-install un-needed dependencies (so long as you always use it to install stuff and don't use apt-get.)
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17:33<lorenzod8n>kv: debian guy, who packages a lot of non-free multimedia stuff.
17:33<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat)
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17:34<kv>lorenzod8n, thanks for the link
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17:34<kv>now i can't deside wich to use - testing or unstable
17:34<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: it does, but not with everything, sometimes I just get weird looking stuff when it's Russian text
17:34<Tuplad>kop: yeah usually I use aptitude
17:34<themill_>kv: if you have to think about it or ask questions here, then you probably don't want to use unstable
17:35<kop>kv: I'm a stable sorta guy myself. I like it when it just keeps working and I don't have to mess with it.
17:35<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: i see. Hopefully konsole4 will improve in that respect.
17:35<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: is there a way to make screenshots in gnome ? gnome-screenshot won't do it for me - it hangs
17:35<kv>kop, i don't want to use outdated software :)
17:35<dpkg>[screenshot] 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd
17:35<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: or try scrot.
17:36<lorenzod8n>Oops. Missed the last bit ;-)
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17:36<kop>kv: It'll all be outdated soon enough. :)
17:36<amphi>xwd -root | xwdtopnm| pnmtopng > foo.png ;)
17:36<kv>kop, but with "stable" it;s too soon :)
17:37<lorenzod8n>kv: that really depends.
17:38<lorenzod8n>The problem with running unstable is that you get addicted to seeing things change.
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17:38<themill_>either that or bored with unbreaking things.... ;)
17:39<lorenzod8n>themill_: well, that too of course. :-)
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17:42<Tuplad>finally, managed to make a screenshot
17:42<Tuplad>scrot ;)
17:44<Tuplad> that's the problem I've got with dselect
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17:45<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
17:46<Tuplad>streuner: is that for me ?
17:46<pachi>I'm having problems when updating a debian/sid system, due to failing md5 sums... what can I do to fix this?
17:46<streuner>it seems to me that your "shell" doesn't support UTF-8
17:46<Tuplad>streuner: heh, I guess you didn't follow the conversation :) [gloom] told me to try dselect, and I'm just showing him what the problem is
17:46<themill_>Tuplad: nice.... change the font that your console is using and/or the TERM that it is using
17:47<Tuplad>themill_: I tried using other term too, with other font, doesn't work either. I'll try changing the font then
17:47<themill_>streuner: I think it's more likely to be the font is not understanding curses based programs. plain text is fine in that screenshot
17:47<pachi>the offending package doesn't have a bug about it, but I'm having problems with just that package since some weeks ago
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17:47<themill_>pachi: is it an md5sum problem when you aptitude update?
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17:48<streuner>themill_: thats why i told you about #debian-ru, they should know about the problem better
17:48<Tuplad>changed font, no effect
17:48<pachi>themill_: yes
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17:48<Tuplad>streuner: I'm not complainging, I was just SHOWING it
17:48<pachi>themill_: aptitude says the MD5 sum differs
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17:49<streuner>Tuplad: check out, if "konsole" supports UTF-8
17:49<themill_>pachi: there's been a bit of this going around recently. Do you have a proxy between you and the mirror? And is it the security mirror that's the problem or other mirrors.
17:49<themill_>streuner: it does, I'm using it as we speak ;)
17:49<Debian>Hey guys... this is probably going to sound like a troll, so I'm going to try to phrase it as much not like one as possible. I'm a long-time (8-9 years) Debian user for my server. I'm about to switch up hardware and I'm going to be reinstalling. I've got a very strong attachment to Debian, but (of course) Ubuntu is the darling of the media world. Is there any advantage to using Ubuntu Server Edition over Debian? Is there an advantage to
17:50<[gloom]>Tuplad: outside the desktop environment, (the linux console) you see the cyrillic fine?
17:50<Debian>Err. And I apologize for the name, let me change that. New client, wrong field.
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17:50<Tuplad>[gloom]: yes it's fine everywhere, I only had it with 2-3 programs
17:50<azeem>JEisen83: your question got cut off at "Is there an advantage to[...]"
17:50<streuner>themill_: well, i would check out locales then
17:50<JEisen83>There we go, sorry. Debian/Ubuntu question directed over here.
17:50<Tuplad>streuner: if not a secret, how ?
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17:50<JEisen83>Is there any advantage to using Ubuntu Server Edition over Debian? Is there an advantage to using Debian over Ubuntu? Are they now similar enough not to make a difference?
17:50<streuner>Tuplad: via man-page
17:51<pachi>themill_: no, not proxy here AFAICT, and I'm just using a main mirror (
17:51<lupine_85>JEisen83: debian >> ubuntu
17:51<lupine_85>but you could see that coming a mile away ;)
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17:51<JEisen83>Hee. That's the answer I'd given myself since I've loved it for so long. I'd love some technical backup on it, if possible. ;)
17:51<Mr-R>JEisen83: debian is free... :)
17:52<Tuplad>streuner: nothing in the man
17:52<themill_>JEisen83: you'll get better stability, better supported packages and a lot more sense out of Debian ;)
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17:52<lupine_85>umm. We don't lock your metadata behind a proprietary SOAP interface?
17:52<Tuplad>streuner: nothing about encoding I mean
17:52<amphi>!tell JEisen83 about why debian
17:52<lupine_85>but yeah, debian releases are supported a lot longer :D
17:52<lupine_85>!tell lupine_85 about why debian
17:52<[gloom]>Tuplad: you using konsole under kde right?
17:53<Tuplad>[gloom]: gnome
17:53<pachi>themill_: is there any way to force the install of an offending package?
17:53<lupine_85>pachi: dpkg has all sorts of force options
17:53<lupine_85>but they're generally a bad idea
17:53<pachi>themill_: or just aptitude -d package && dpkg -i package?
17:53<themill_>lupine_85: this is another md5sum error
17:53<JEisen83>I assume the systems are different enough that coming to a debian source for Ubuntu is unlikely to be that helpful?
17:53<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: but if you are using gnome, why not gnome-terminal?
17:53<JEisen83>(Besides insulting)
17:53<lupine_85>so you don't want to force it then
17:54<pachi>lupine_85: any alternate solution?
17:54<themill_>pachi: you're better off not doing that. Try cleaning out the apt cache (apt-get clean) and have another go
17:54<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: good idea, but it doesn't work there either, and gnome terminal is like, not pretty :<
17:54<lupine_85>wait for them to fix it, I gess. apt-get update is also your friend
17:54<themill_>pachi: is there a chance of a transparent proxy being around?
17:54<JEisen83>I know there were issues a few years ago... does Ubuntu still break the Debian standard?
17:54<pachi>lupine_85: no bug about it for a long time
17:55<pachi>themill_: maybe the DSL provider can have it?
17:55<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: well, I can only agree. How about the xfce terminal?
17:55<lorenzod8n>Haven't tried it in a while.
17:55<Tuplad>don't have that
17:55<Tuplad>Gnome Terminal, Konsole and Xterm
17:55<themill_>pachi: some do ;( they're a pain in the backside. apt-get clean and try another mirror could work for you.
17:55<pachi>ok, will try that now
17:55<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: I use konsole myself, but in kde.
17:55<JEisen83>Heh, these links, while helpful, only convince me I want to use Debian or a near derivative.
17:55<lorenzod8n>Also use rxvt-unicode in fvwm.
17:56<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: but it's not a problem to use it in gnome, right ?
17:56<lupine_85>JEisen83: totally :)
17:56<themill_>!tell JEisen83 about based on debian
17:56<pachi>themill_, lupine_85: thanks for thinking about another thing to try
17:56<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: not really.
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17:56<Tuplad>lorenzod8n: and it's weird, when I start gnome terminal, Konsole automatically starts o_O
17:56<lupine_85>I'd say go debian because it's not brown
17:56<themill_>JEisen83: that's the response you'd get... ;)
17:56<JEisen83>Fair enough!
17:56<lorenzod8n>Tuplad: konsole will be in your gnome-session..
17:56<[gloom]>Tuplad: not a problem i think. Have you tried changing the encoding, haven't you?
17:56<lupine_85>also, upstream is good :)
17:57<Tuplad>[gloom]: yep, tried that too
17:57<[gloom]>yep, i imagined that
17:57<themill_>Tuplad: is your locale a UTF-8 locale?
17:57<Tuplad>themill_: how do I find out ? :(
17:57<themill_>echo $LANG is a good start
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17:57[~]lupine_85 huggles his en_GB.UTF-8
17:58<themill_>failing that set|grep LC
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17:58<themill_>lupine_85: snap... very happy to be a native english speaker sometimes
17:58<JEisen83>Ok, so for the million dollar question in the FLOSS community... is there anything Ubuntu Server does better that Debian is now moving towards? Or is Debian better on all counts? ;)
17:58<lupine_85>it's more the utf-8 I prefer
17:58<lupine_85>ah. oh. oh dear. I forgot all about SCIM
17:58<amphi>JEisen83: look at debian's site, and ubuntu's - that should help you decide which to put on a server ;)
17:59<lupine_85>JEisen83: you could make an argument that, as debian is upstream, it fixes bugs/security problems faster than ubuntu
17:59<lorenzod8n>JEisen83: obviously you will find people who are pro-Debian in here.
17:59<lupine_85>it's a fairly fallacious argument, but it is an argument
17:59<themill_>Tuplad: hmmm.... that looks fine. And playing with different fonts doesn't help, you say.
17:59<lorenzod8n>I would ask myself if I trust upstart enough for my servers..
17:59<themill_>Tuplad: what do you get for echo $TERM
17:59<JEisen83>nod to lorenzod8n. That's why I came in here. ;) I've already gotten the other side.
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18:00<lorenzod8n>JEisen83: it's good that you're listening to both, but I'm afraid you may find that it's like aksing Christians and muslims which is more true.
18:00<Tuplad>themill_: nope
18:00<JEisen83>So my thinking's that any praise these guys can give Ubuntu must be for the best knockout features that debian's going to incorporate
18:01<lorenzod8n>What I mean is, Debian users love Debian, Ubuntu users Ubuntu.
18:01<Tuplad>themill_: xterm
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18:01<pachi>themill_: aptitude clean and changing mirror solved the problem. Thanks a lot for your help!
18:01<lorenzod8n>I obviously love Debian, so I don't think I can give a fair assessment of why Ubuntu is good.
18:01<themill_>pachi: excellent. good stuff
18:02<JEisen83>Well, I'm kind of hoping that there's more technical arguments rather than religious ones here. ;)
18:02<lupine_85>JEisen83: you could always run contest on the debian and ubuntu kernels on your hardware, and see which is faster
18:02<JEisen83>Several of which have come out, so that's fantastic. I think I'm sticking with Deb.
18:02<themill_>Tuplad: most baffling. I have the same (konsole + utf-8 locale + TERM=xterm) and dselect looks fine.
18:02<amphi>JEisen83: look at the repective release cycle for 'stable' releases ;)
18:02<Tuplad>themill_: but mine is Russian, what about yours?
18:02<lupine_85>that gets you a benchmark, of sorts, on one of the areas where the two differ, that's actually going to matter for a server
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18:03<Mr-R>JEisen83: it comes down to one question: do you need long time support? and can you live with the ubuntu 6 lts version (and its included software versions)?
18:03<lorenzod8n>amphi: I'd add to that: look at the *stability* of the stable releases..
18:03<JEisen83>nod... that was one of my big concerns with ubuntu
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18:03<JEisen83>so what's the absolute worst thing, technically, about ubuntu, according to you guys? the performance?
18:03<amphi>lorenzod8n: well, yeah ;)
18:04<themill_>Tuplad: what do you have selected on Settings->Encoding?
18:04<themill_>Tuplad: (sorry, you'll have to translate ;)
18:04<Tuplad>themill_: hehe ;)
18:04<lorenzod8n>amphi: at work we unfortunately have a few Feisty servers and they make opium addicts look stable.
18:04<JEisen83>i've used debian long enough to know what my own 'worst' things about it are
18:05<lupine_85>JEisen83: debian was always subjectively faster &more stable than ubuntu for me
18:05<JEisen83>(there isn't much, and most of it i'm expecting to go away with the newer version)
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18:05<lupine_85>but this is desktop I'm talking about
18:05<Tuplad>themill_: at this moment I have 'Default'
18:05<amphi>lorenzod8n: opium addicts do look very stable ;)
18:05<lupine_85>I had an ubuntu server for a while and never had a single problem, but I haven't run a debian server so can't compare
18:06<lupine_85>amphi: yes. very... calm :)
18:06<amphi>lorenzod8n: immobile, even ;)
18:06<lorenzod8n>amphi: :-D
18:06<[gloom]>Tuplad: that's a biginning:
18:06<themill_>Tuplad: perhaps change that to UTF-8 since that's your locale.
18:06<amphi>lorenzod8n: I can think of no good reason to use ubuntu on a server (or at all, for that matter, but the latter is just me)
18:07<Tuplad>themill_: I tried doing that, but that has no effect :)
18:07<Tuplad>[gloom]: thanks, going to check this out :&
18:07<themill_>Tuplad: bugger. well that's me out of ideas....
18:07<JEisen83>Thanks guys, you've made up my mind. :)
18:07<lorenzod8n>amphi: either can I, but hey, in this case I don't have a say (yet)..
18:07<themill_>Tuplad: you asked about language earlier, well, that's the only difference.. the font. But that doesn't help ;( (I'm using the font "monospace")
18:07<[gloom]>Tuplad: wait. this guy is insane (the writer). Check this first:
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18:08<Tuplad>[gloom]: LOL !!
18:08<Tuplad>themill_: I'll try monospace then
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18:09<Tuplad>themill_: um, I'm using monospace too ;)
18:09<[gloom]>Tuplad: I think the problem is on the font, not the locale. The locale is used AFAIK in the linux console, and there it shows fine your alphabet. Then, gnome is shown in cyrillic fine too, so the problem must be the font is using the konsole under gnome... maybe this font is not cyrillic-able.:D
18:10<themill_>Tuplad: do all curses based programs come out like this? nano, aptitude, debconf (dpkg-reconfigure), mc
18:10<Tuplad>[gloom]: I tried fonts that ARE cyrillic-able :D but it doesn't work. EVERYTHING works fine with the Russian font, my whole system is Russian... there's just like 1 program that won't show it the right way :\
18:10<Tuplad>themill_: what do you mean?
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18:11<themill_>Tuplad: or is it only dselect
18:11<themill_>Tuplad: there's a text-graphics library called "curses" (or "ncurses") that draws boxes in text on the screen.
18:12<[gloom]>yep, i understand the problem. Give me a try: Are there other GNOME appz showing wrong chars, or only the kde ones (like konsole)
18:12<Tuplad>oh :)
18:12<themill_>Tuplad: It's used by a lot of programs including nano, dselect, aptitude (in interactive mode), debconf, mc etc
18:12<[gloom]>try other kde app
18:12<Tuplad>themill_: I don't have nano, but aptitude works fine if I just run it from console, debconf, mc work fine
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18:12<Tuplad>dselect doesnt
18:12<Tuplad>I don't have mc though
18:13<[gloom]>arrrrrrrrrrrhggggggggg, so it's not the konsole, it's only dselect under konsole
18:13<azeem>dselect might link to it statically
18:13<themill_>Tuplad: well, that just confuses me even more... I'll sulk in the corner for a while and see if [gloom] can do better.
18:13<Elminester>Good moning. Sorry, but where is russian channel of support debian?
18:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
18:13<azeem>actually, it does
18:13<Tuplad>themill_: don't worry :) it's no biggie
18:14<Tuplad>don't worry about it lol, so much hassle for just dselect o_O
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18:14<themill_>Tuplad: and deslect is the biggest pain in the arse that's going so you really shouldn't lose sweat over it
18:14<[gloom]>Tuplad: now it's personal:D hahahaha
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18:14<Tuplad>[gloom]: :D
18:15<[gloom]>I'm going for now on to use dselect in cyrillic although i don't understand it:D
18:15<Tuplad>I'm happy my debby doesn't crash anymore, that's a start, dselect is for later :]
18:15<Elminester>They there everyone sleep. %) Ok. mb you can help me?
18:16<themill_>Elminester: we can try... just ask.
18:17<Elminester>1 problem. After installation debian etch there is no sound. The sound appears after installation alsa and performance alsaconf. After ïåðåçàãðóçêè a computer procedure is necessary for repeating.
18:17<Elminester>*after reboot computer ^-)
18:17<Tuplad>Elminester: do you get an error at startup ? something about aRts ?
18:17<Elminester>tuplad. No
18:17<Tuplad>ok, I'm clueless then
18:18<lupine_85>ps aux |grep arts will tell you if arts is running
18:18<Elminester>arts not running )
18:18<lupine_85>did alsaconf find the sound card in question? does it show up in "aplay -l"
18:18<Elminester>alsaconf find soundcard, and work after find)
18:19<Elminester>but aster reboot not work)
18:19<Tuplad>Elminester: after you're done with aslaconf, do alsactl store and then speaker-test
18:19<Tuplad>alsactl store saves the config :]
18:19<Elminester>thank )
18:19<Tuplad>lspci | grep audio
18:19<[gloom]>Elminester: and have you set the proper audio levels with alsamixer?
18:19<Tuplad>oops, wrong window
18:19<themill_>Tuplad: grep -i ;)
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18:20<Tuplad>themill_: -i doesn't exist ? :]
18:20<Tuplad>themill_: oh, it does, but why the -i ?
18:20<themill_>Tuplad: no, for case insensitive: lspci | grep -i audio
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18:22<themill_>things in lspci tend to be randomly capitalised, so -i is always a nice option to grep
18:22<Tuplad>I see :)
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18:24<Tuplad>I spent the whole night configuring debian and reading manuals instead of go sleep(with my girlfriend), today I told her to stay home ... just to work on debian :)))
18:24<[gloom]>well guys i'm going to sleep a little. The cyrillic has defeated me!
18:24<Tuplad>[gloom]: :D don't take it to the heart :)
18:25<[gloom]>Hahah , my girlfriend is waiting for me 45 minutes thanks to you and your cyrillic!!!!!!!!!!
18:25<Tuplad>HAHA :D
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18:25<Tuplad>[gloom]: sleep tight my friend :] don't let cyrillic bring you down
18:25<themill_>oh dear.... that's a really sad state of affairs guys
18:26<Tuplad>screw girlfriends, debian doesn't bitch when it's asked to do something
18:26<[gloom]>i think i will try to explain her that i could get to sleep because some guy couldn't see the Konsole in cyrillic!... But maybe he will leave me right then...
18:26<Tuplad>[gloom]: he ?
18:27<[gloom]>hehhehe, She. I'm not used to type in english:D
18:27<[gloom]><Tuplad> screw girlfriends, debian doesn't bitch when it's asked to do something--> well, sometimes sid does
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18:28<[gloom]>ok, i better go to sleep right now, if i don't want a fight:D see u later
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18:28<jae>Anyone know synergy? I want/need the compose key (any compose key) working
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18:31<Tuplad>Which would be a good default font for a web browser ? the one I'm using now is a little bit too small, too smooth and can't display some characters
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18:32<chealer>Tuplad: the default default font, I guess
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18:33<Tuplad>in windows I used tahoma/verdana
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18:34<themill_>Verdana is in msttcorefonts
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18:34<themill_>and you could always copy tahoma across if you wanted...
18:34<Tuplad>don't have windows anymore
18:34<Tuplad>I switched 5 days ago, and debian is my default system now :)
18:35<Tuplad>my dad recommended debian to me, I first wanted openSuSE
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18:36<themill_>good on you!
18:37<themill_>There are quite a few fonts you can experiment with that are packaged up in debian. msttcorefonts is one packge, the deja vu and bitstream fonts are also quite good.
18:37<themill_>You can also make the font size larger in your browser, of course. Or set the display size in your xorg.conf so that the font sizes are correct.
18:38<themill_>apt-cache search ttf will turn up a lot of things
18:38<Tuplad>I'll take it easy :]
18:38<Tuplad>looking for a font manager now
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18:39<themill_>kcontrolcentre has one
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18:39<themill_>anyway... I'm off to bed. Have fun!
18:39<Tuplad>goodnight man!
18:40<lorenzod8n>Bed? Hm.. I remember having seen one of those once..
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18:40<cyeh>is this a help channel?
18:41<tcsetattr>no, this is where you order pizza
18:41<lorenzod8n>cyeh: ask out, and we'll try to help (as long as it's about debian)
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18:42<lorenzod8n>We can't help you if your house is on fire.
18:42<cyeh>ensoniq es1370, how do i get it working?
18:42<lorenzod8n>tcsetattr: I'd like a family-size four seasons, please.
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18:45<tcsetattr>the snd-ens1370 ALSA module looks like the right one
18:45<cyeh>cool, i'll go read up on alsa, thanks
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18:48<Elminester>Ok) Next problem. You will laugh, but I have HSF modem :-) I download driver from, also try to establish them. dpkg - i hsf ***** deb Ok. It asks me where to take kernel-source and tries to find a file include/autoconf.h on a way/usr/kernel/linux. I have put it kernel-source, but there there is no such file.
18:49<Elminester>Yes. Anticipating following advice - I shall buy to myself the normal modem. But only after reception of the salary, up to which 2 more weeks:-)
18:49<tcsetattr>you need a kernel headers package
18:49<Elminester>? aptitude install what?
18:50<tcsetattr>search for kernel headers and pick the version that matches your running kernel
18:50<Elminester>How the package kernel-headers refers to?
18:51<Elminester>kernel is 2.6.18
18:51<tcsetattr>dude, just apt-cache search kernel headers. I'm not going to do it for you.
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18:59<lupine_85>it's linux-headers these days
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19:00<lupine_85>sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) will do it
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19:02<deejoe>seen azeem?
19:02<deejoe>dpkg, seen azeem?
19:02<dpkg>azeem is currently on #debian #debian-women #debian-ops. Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 48m 33s, last said: 'actually, it does'.
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19:03<Elminester>As I can establish to myself locale koi8r. (to not do after everyone reboot export LANG=ru_RU.koi8r)
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19:10<deejoe>azeem: I was wondering if you knew what the status of garlic's upstream is?
19:11<deejoe> times out for me
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20:10<lupine_85>here's a weird one for your consumption. I have a root account, and a root password. sudo works, and I can log in as root. I can't use su or kdesu - it gives an authentication failure if I try, and I'm definitely typing it in correctly. Suggestions? I'm thinking something to do with PAM myself
20:11<simonrvn>did you modify /etc/pam.d/su ?
20:11<tcsetattr>wheel group enforcement?
20:12<simonrvn>no wheel in debian
20:12<simonrvn>gotta specifically enable it
20:12<tcsetattr>so, enabling it is very easy...
20:12<simonrvn>no, gotta make the group, config pam, etc.
20:13<simonrvn>(not for a newbie anyway ;)
20:13<tcsetattr>it's already in /etc/pam.d/su, all you gotta do is uncomment it. it's a one character change. that's what I call easy
20:13<tcsetattr>it was just a first guess. submit some others
20:14[~]simonrvn 's ultra pedantic meter goes off
20:15<lupine_85>I haven't touched the file, no :)
20:15<tcsetattr>check /var/log/auth.log for explanation
20:16<lupine_85>I get (pam_unix) authentication failure and pam_authenticate: Authentication failure
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20:20<luisandrade>Good night, everybody
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20:27<Hessophanes>lupine_85: Which pam? Unstable? Experimental?
20:28<lupine_85>installed from a chroot, so it's probably a missing package or unset default
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20:30<Hessophanes>Hm, strange. Can you su from root to root (i.e. does work)?
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20:31<lupine_85>sudo /bin/zsh; su; su; works fine
20:31<quitte>hi. how ca i enter characters with accents?
20:32<lupine_85>it's all a bit peculiar, really :D
20:32<quitte>i'd like e.g. typing `a Paris to give the right chracter
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20:45<Hessophanes>Hmmm. It's already two weeks ago since I looked at the pam_unix sourcecode... don't know what it might be. I could have a closer look tomorrow, if the problem isn't solved until then.
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20:53<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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20:58<MrKeuner>hi, is there anything like firefox loader or something? So that when I click on Firefox icon, it would look like opening faster?
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21:02<dondelelcaro>just leave it open
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21:04<MrKeuner>dondelelcaro: but then the cookies are not deleted
21:05<MrKeuner>I have set them to be deleted when I close firefox
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21:27<k-man>what is the debian way to reconfigure a network interface to have a static ip rather than dynamic?
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21:31<klys>k-man: emacs /etc/network/interfaces
21:31<k-man>just edit it?
21:31<klys>k-man: if you want an example entry, tell me and I'll join you in #flood
21:32<k-man>just a plain old static ip entry
21:32<ameyer>klys: if k-man is new to this you might want to suggest something more like nano...
21:33<klys>ameyer: I think I asked k-man to read the emacs tutorial before. C-h t
21:34<ameyer>well, if k-man is familiar enough with emacs, it's no big deal
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21:36<dondelelcaro>MrKeuner: you can't have them both. Either it stays open and the cookies stay undeleted, or it doesn't, and you have the startup time.
21:37<MrKeuner>damn cookies then :)
21:37<k-man>emacs rocks
21:37<k-man>i prefer emacs
21:38<k-man>ameyer: but thanks for your concern :)
21:38<dpkg>ssh is probably Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
21:41<klys>ok, I just need to fix my old sshd, no real problems
21:43<klys>this thing needs a major upgrade and apt-get would like all my devlibs removed
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21:45<dondelelcaro>MrKeuner: in any event, why are you so worried about the cookies? You'll kill them off when you actually log out or stop the computer.
21:46<klys>so I add all the "will be removed" packages to the apt-get commandline and all still "will be removed"
21:46<dondelelcaro>klys: you're better off using aptitude instead of apt-get
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21:47<klys>dondelelcaro: what specific feature in aptitude will help with this?
21:47<MrKeuner>dondelelcaro: actually, you are right. But I get so angry when people do tracking, that I would like to minimize what they know about me.
21:48<dondelelcaro>MrKeuner: oh, in that case you're better off just blocking cookies entirely
21:48<dondelelcaro>or alternatively using greasemonkey or similar to obfuscate the cookies that you do send back after a particular period of time or similar.
21:48[~]klys feels dumb (It's always seemed to work before, maybe I used to be smarter)
21:48<MrKeuner>But then I cannot use some websites login features without enabling cookies first which is also a pain
21:48<MrKeuner>hmm I did not know greasemonkey
21:49<dondelelcaro>klys: the main thing here is that its dependency resolver is slightly more advanced, and you can work through the solutions that you've gotten.
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21:51<klys>I tried adding the removed packages one at a time (the real usual fix) and it's working out much better. turns out libc6-dev wa not going to be installed
21:51<dondelelcaro>yeah, you probably are dealing with the linux-kernel-headers transition
21:52<klys>can you tell me a bit about that? linux-kernel-headers will be removed
21:53<dpkg>A new (Nov. 2003) package in sid. It was split apart from libc6-dev. You've ALWAYS had these kernel headers on your system; you just never bothered to notice. The "kernel-headers-*" package that matches your running kernel is used to build kernel modules. The "linux-kernel-headers" are used when compiling userspace programs. It's not a bug. You *DO* need them. Don't try to delete them. Ask me about "kernel headers" too.
21:53<manphiz>klys, it should be removed, the new kernel uses linux-libc-dev instead.
21:54<dondelelcaro>there's not much to say about it; linux-kernel-headers has been superseeded by linux-libc6-dev
21:55<klys>tell dpkg there's not much to say about it
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21:57<dondelelcaro>what dpkg said is correct for etch, actually.
21:58<klys>hmm, ok
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22:12<Internat>can someone help me with a quick regex question?
22:12<dondelelcaro>possibly, best to ask, though.
22:12<Internat>^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ in.imapproxyd\[[0-9]+\]: LOGOUT: '"[_[:alnum:]-]+(@[-_.[:alnum:]]+)?"' from server sd \[[0-9]+\]$
22:13<Internat>Aug 20 12:14:14 broken in.imapproxyd[1596]: LOGOUT: '' from server sd [9]
22:13<Internat>why does that rule not match that line?
22:14<dondelelcaro>which regex engine are you using?
22:14<Internat>umm watever one logcheck uses
22:14<Internat>im not sure what that is
22:15<klys>ok, ssh is still denying my connections. I am logging in as a user, stock configfile set for port 22, latest version of openssh-server (which is working on a different installation here)
22:15<dondelelcaro>Internat: well, just glancing the "" probably isn't going to work
22:15<ameyer>you sure sshd is running?
22:16<Internat>the what?
22:16<dondelelcaro>klys: does netstat -plunt; show it on the server?
22:16<klys>pid 6777, state: select
22:16<dondelelcaro>Internat: you've got '-->"<--[ which doesn't match anything
22:16<Internat>ah.. ok
22:16<klys>that's /usr/bin/sshd
22:17<ameyer>I should turn off ipv6...
22:17<Internat>*changes the rule* *sigh* another bug to submit
22:18<ameyer>it's been shown to be a security risk on other operating systems at times...
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22:18<ameyer>wasn't openbsd remotely exploitable bug #2 ipv6-related?
22:18<klys>> udp 0 0* -
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22:19<klys> there after the connection is refused (in netstat -plunt output)
22:19<dondelelcaro>klys: that's not ssh
22:19<klys>so no
22:19<dondelelcaro>you should see blah blah sshd or similar.
22:19<klys>f1:tcp 0 0* LISTEN 6777/sshd
22:19<klys>was there all along
22:20<dondelelcaro>so ssh is running
22:20<dondelelcaro>if you can't connect, you need to try to nmap -sS -p 22 foohost; or similar to see what's going on.
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22:20<dondelelcaro>(if I were to guess it's something dropping connections, or similar.
22:20<klys>as root from the server?
22:20<dondelelcaro>klys: from wherever you're trying to connect.
22:21<klys>22/tcp open ssh
22:21<klys>Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.470 seconds
22:22<dondelelcaro>klys: then you should be able to connect
22:22<dondelelcaro>(though it may drop the connection afterwards)
22:23<klys>ok, I have Connection Closed (not connection refused)
22:23<klys>is my shell wrong...
22:24<klys>it asks for my password twice
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22:24<klys>the first time it just skips out, the second time it pays attention and I get an error if the password is wrong
22:25<klys>maybe it's the client
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22:26<klys>upgraded ssh, same
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22:29<klys>what is the correct line in /etc/pam.d/common-password
22:32<klys>ok, how to tell which package this file belongs to
22:32<klys>because it's a configfile (/etc)
22:36<klys>my dpkg-query says it can't be done
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22:40<klys>oh, symlink
22:40<dpkg>Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first
22:41<klys>hmm, what to call this factoid
22:41<dpkg>i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see
22:42<klys>dpkg, search is also, for symlinks: grep linkpath /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.p*
22:42<dpkg>...but search is already something else...
22:42<klys>dpkg, search is also for symlinks: grep linkpath /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.p*
22:42<dpkg>klys: that's too long
22:43<klys>a lot of factoids are, really
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22:44<kop>symlink rule of thumb is that the file that already exists must come first. The link you are creating can either be a full pathname or just a directory, in which case the link has the basename of the original path.
22:45<klys>21:26:20 ~# ln -sf /cd/2/apt/2007 /var/cache/apt/archives
22:45<klys>ln: creating symbolic link `/var/cache/apt/archives/2007' to `/cd/2/apt/2007': Operation not permitted
22:45<kop>klys : You need to end directories with a /.
22:45<klys>it existed, so rm worked, but I don't get why -f doesn't overwrite
22:46<peterrooney>klys: ln works kinda like copy: cp existingfile newfile
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22:46<klys>kop, is there a factoid mainly on dpkg -S ?
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22:46<peterrooney>klys: whoops, hit ^W by mistake (thought i was in shell)
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22:47<kop>klys : I'm kinda irc clueless. I once knew how to control dpkg, but have forgotten.
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22:47<dpkg>it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ...
22:48<klys>kop: you didn't just join, did you? look at your logs for 21:41 - 21:42
22:48<kop>klys : I don't think I've got logs. I should try another irc client. iirs ??
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22:48<klys>kop: sorry about that. you can log with irssi though
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22:50<CLIdiot>anybody know of some meaningful measurements of apache2 vs. Lighttpd for serving php based web-apps?
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22:52<MrKeuner>hi again, I am trying to compile a game called btanks. It says that I have to use scons to compile. How does the ./configure && make && make install procedure change in case of scons?
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22:52<klys>so: /log open -targets #utah #debian #allegro ~/irc.log
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22:53<kop>klys: Ok Back using irssi.
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22:54<klys>kop, I'm figuring out the /log trick now
22:54<klys>there is a trick, uses tail -f ~/irc.log
22:54<kop>klys: Saw your last line, just as I joined.
22:54<kop>klys: tail -f is key when working with daemons too.
22:55<kop>klys: Now I suppose I should read the irssi readme. (Eventually. :)
22:56<klys>kop: that I was intending to ask about in #irssi , it doesn't log to irc.log, but to a file called #debian
22:56<kop>dondelelcaro: I'm under the impression (from the etch release notes) that aptitude is now preferred over apt-get. Should the !search message say aptitude instead of apt-get?
22:56<klys>kop: apt-get is installed per default
22:57<kop>klys: I think aptitude is also always there on etch. Could be wrong. I'll look.
22:58<kop>klys: Aptitude is always there, according to the install manual.
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23:00<kop>klys: (aptitude/synaptic are better because they uninstall orphaned dependicies automatically.)
23:00<klys>so the only people without aptitude are those upgrading from before the current revision of etch
23:01<kop>klys: I don't think so. I think the upgrade process installs aptitude, because the release notes mention using aptitude. Again, could be wrong. I think all my sarge systems already had aptitude so I wouldn't know from experience.
23:02<klys>kop: you mean `dist-upgrade sid'
23:02<kop>klys: No, from sarge to etch.
23:03<klys>er, `dist-upgrade', the `upgrade process', as you say
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23:04<kop>klys: Right, I mis-understood. The sarge to etch process seems a lot trickyer than the woody->sarge process though. While a dist-upgrade may sometimes work it surely must be safer to follow the release notes exactly and do the bits in order.
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23:06<dondelelcaro>kop: probably, but most of what it mentions is aptitude stuff
23:06<dondelelcaro>s#aptitude#not apt-get/aptitude#
23:06<Zacariaz>hi, i need to install an unstable package, but i have no ide how, anyone?
23:07<klys>kop: I solved it: /log open ~/irc.log #utah #debian #allegro
23:07<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: if you're running stable, you need to get a backport of it.
23:08<Zacariaz>eh... that means? by the way how du i private chat, i forgot how
23:08<kop>Where can I rtfm on the irc dpkg bot? (Or is it deliberately undocumented so only those with experience can toy with it? :)
23:09<dondelelcaro>kop: /msg dpkg help; everything else is in the factoid database or the code.
23:09<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to ...
23:09<klys>Zacariaz: something like: klys: /msg? then /msg chanserv help register... then /msg klys stuff
23:10<klys>zacariaz: what I have here is an irssi command. something like /log open ~/irc.log, then in a different screen/tty do tail -f irc.log
23:12<kop>dondelelcaro: I just tried /msg dpkg help and got no output. ?
23:12<Zacariaz>ok i have tryed the noob way, downloaded the deb and used Gdebi, but i get the message: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: armagetron-common
23:12<klys>kop: look for the glowing number on your statusbar. alt-n
23:13<Zacariaz>what does that really mean?
23:14<klys>maybe you should add armagetron-common to your apt-get install list and see why
23:14<dondelelcaro>probably it doesn't even exist.
23:14<kop>Zacariaz: Private messages are not particulary helpful because the channel can't chime in, or learn from the exchange.
23:14<Zacariaz>oh it does, but its in unstable
23:15<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: it's in stable too. Why aren't you installing that version?
23:15<dondelelcaro>(that, and why are you even using gdebi?)
23:15<klys>kop: when you're talking to the bot a lot he would prefer to be talking about debian
23:15<Zacariaz>? theres an armagetron in stable, but i need armagetronad
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23:15<dondelelcaro>oh, I thought you were talking about installing gdebi.
23:15<klys>oh, wrong guy
23:15<Zacariaz>ive tryed apt-get and aptitude allso
23:16<klys>kop: I misunderstood who would rather /msg. 'scuse me
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23:17<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: so what you have to do is backport armagetronad to stable, or get someone to do it for you. /msg dpkg simple sid backport; if it's not already available on or similar.
23:17<Zacariaz>k, so i guess thats the problem, it tryes to install the stable version when it really needs the unstable, its kinda two different versions of the same game
23:17<dondelelcaro>armagetron-common is in stable, though, so you should be able to just install it
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23:19<Zacariaz>ya but its probably differs a great deal from the unstable, i dunno, i have a guy that mioght be able to help me with it, thanks though
23:19<Zacariaz>however in order to reach him i need messenger, what can you recomend?
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23:28<Zacariaz>and it just keeps getting worse and worse...
23:29<Zacariaz>i am now experiencing severel aplications that for some reason wont open, fx. i have a neat looking red square up besides my clock, some updates i supose, but when i click it and write the password, nothing happens...
23:30<Zacariaz>its one of those really enoying problems
23:34<waterjacket>what is the command to launch samba
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23:35<kop>waterjacket: The client or the server?
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23:38<Zacariaz>ok, now i am really pissed: inset the disc: 'debian GNU/linux 4.0 r0 _etch_ ...
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23:38<Zacariaz>why does it suddenly have a hard time getting the required file from the server? i dont have the discs lol
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23:39<dondelelcaro>just comment out that line in your sources.list then
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23:40<Zacariaz>which line?
23:40<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: the cdrom line
23:40<Zacariaz>k, where is it i find the sources.list?
23:41<klys>dondelelcaro: do you know why ssh would be dropping the connection?
23:41<dondelelcaro>klys: not authenticating? check the logfiles for the real reason.
23:41<Guest1371>sources list at /etc/apt/sources.list
23:42<klys>dondelelcaro: not in /var/log ?
23:42<dondelelcaro>klys: /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/daemon.log or similar should have it
23:42<Zacariaz>k, commented out, ty
23:42<klys>Aug 19 22:40:33 65 sshd[7706]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: pam_sm_acct_mgmt
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23:43<waterjacket>kop: the client
23:43<Guest1371>Zacariaz: what are you trying to do?? I just got in
23:43<waterjacket>all I want to do is have a harddrive visable on 2 computers
23:43<waterjacket>just a shared hard drive
23:43<dondelelcaro>waterjacket: so use nfs or samba or similar.
23:43<waterjacket>yes, I am trying to use samba
23:44<kop>dondelelcaro: He wanted to know how to start the samba client.
23:44<waterjacket>I read the man and the whole help file.
23:44<dondelelcaro>so start the samba server on the machine with the drive, then use smbmount to mount it on the machine without.
23:44<waterjacket>I have a GUI, so I just click samba and there is the gui for the config fil
23:45<waterjacket>how do I start the server
23:45<kop>waterjacket: /etc/init.d/smb start (IIRC)
23:46<kop>waterjacket: You'll probably also want to use update-rc.d if you're not starting it already at boot. (I would think it'd start at boot after install....)
23:46<waterjacket>will it stay running
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23:47<kop>waterjacket: I'd guess. You may want to read the debian reference manual at regards starting/stopping daemons etc.
23:47<kop>waterjacket: You also want to know to look in the logs (/var/log/) to see what's up with your daemons. And may want to know about "tail -f" to watch the logs as things happen.
23:48<kop>waterjacket: (grep is handy there too if there's specifics you're looking for.)
23:49<kop>waterjacket: See also "man fstab" for having things automatically mount at boot.
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23:49<waterjacket>you win the noob helper of the day award
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23:50<kop>waterjacket: (There's also the autofs package for automatically mounting on demand, but I forget the details and that was a long time ago. Maybe there's something newer.)
23:51<waterjacket>so is there a way to make a computer connected via SSH graphically represented
23:51<waterjacket>like another hard drive
23:52<kop>waterjacket: ? It gets graphically represented because you have a terminal window of some sort open....
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23:55<Requiem>what's the line I need to add to sources.list to get non free packages, and will I need debian multimedia as well, or will just nonfree work?
23:57<Zacariaz>im just confused that one cant add a line to allow one to install unstables
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23:57<dpkg>rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport>
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23:58<Requiem>!tell Zacariaz about simple sid backport
23:58<Requiem>that will do it for you
23:59<Zacariaz>i probably wont understand anyway
23:59<kop>Requiem, Zacariaz : Ya' know. All that stuff about apt sources is in the debian reference manual at I always need to go there to look up the details. (or the source.list man page.)
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