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00:00<Zacariaz>invalid command
00:01<freehat>Is that amixer: invalid command or just a generic BASH invalid command?
00:02<Zacariaz>i just did: amixer sget Master - that worked fine
00:03<freehat>amixer sset Master works?
00:04<Zacariaz>specify what you wanna set it says
00:04<Zacariaz>but it works yes
00:05<Zacariaz>i just tryed amixer sset Master volume 100 and it didnt complain
00:05<freehat>Maybe it doesn't recongize %
00:05<freehat>Anyways, did that work?
00:05<Zacariaz>im just about to investigate that
00:06<freehat>If 100 doesn't work I guess you could go higher, since I believe it's a hardware value
00:06<freehat>And depends on your hardware
00:06<freehat>Try 1000? lo
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00:08<freehat>Well if this doesn't work, I'd try setting the value, then checking it out in alsamixer.. see if it's any different.
00:08<Zacariaz>ok, the big question is what to write: amixer sset Master "here" because is accepts anything
00:08<Zacariaz>accept numbers
00:09<freehat>type 'man amixer'
00:09<freehat>and look at the set parameter
00:09<freehat>you can use dB or %.. at least mine allows
00:10<freehat>If it's not changed in alsamixer after you manipulate it through amixer, then there's obviously a problem with either setting it or something is muting it.
00:11<freehat>Well I hope you get it worked out. I've got work in the morning.
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00:12<Zacariaz>ty for you help
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00:18<peej>I got a sarge laptop talking over wifi to an u****u dapper using wep by setting the key in /etc/network/interfaces. Is that the right way to do secure wifi currently? I understood airsnort could crack the connection - or is that no longer true?
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00:27<gsimmons>peej: Given enough IVs acquired by sniffing exchanged packets, the WEP key can eventually be determined. You might want to use WPA if available, or use an encrypted VPN (eg. OpenVPN) instead.
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00:29[~]peej searches for info on WPA
00:30<peej>WPA info at
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00:33<peej>debhelper: WPA?
00:34<peej>dpkg, WPA?
00:34<dpkg>i heard wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided in Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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00:43<Greg>lol linux transfers so much faster than windows
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01:00<Greg>what package is for tcl
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01:10<gsimmons>Greg: In Etch, either 'tcl8.3' or 'tcl8.4', depending on your version requirement. If you need thread support, install 'tcl8.4'.
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01:16<kingsley>Has spamassassin become too cautious? After years of using it with few problems, I just discovered that version 3.2.0-1 wrongly flagged nine emails as spam in only two days. I don't recall spamassassin having ever misidentified a ligitimate email as spam before.
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01:30<simonrvn>kingsley: do you expect something like that to be perfect? you're naive then if you think so. it happens
01:31<seanius>it all depends on the threshold you set, the tests you run, and the scoring you give for each of the tests
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01:32<kingsley>simonrvn: Nah... something changed. Going from 0 false positives in years to 9 in two days isn't normal.
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01:36<kingsley>As an aside, missing emails are one of those silent bugs that can go unnoticed until someone happens to ask you why you didn't get back to them, and then you find a treasure trove of lost emails in your spam "folder" (directory).
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01:38<WildOS>I am building a cross compiler that should run in windows using minGW. MinGW is using gcc 3.4.2, but when trying to apt-get source I can only find 3.4.6. Where can I find 3.4.2 ?
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01:43<blarson>WildOS: Try
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01:46<WildOS>blarson: Thanks :-)
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01:54<Greg>how do i give permissions to users or something.. im trying to load an eggdrop and it says could not write pid.eggdrop file
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01:54<Inty>Greg, chmod
01:54<Inty>man chmod
01:54<Greg>does chmod chmod for everyone
01:55<Inty>for the user, the group, and the rest
01:55<Inty>but if you want specific multiple user rights
01:55<Inty>you can use acl
01:55<Greg>chmod eggdrop 777
01:55<Inty>the numbers need to be in front
01:55<Inty>chmod 755 eggdrop
01:56<Greg>same error
01:56<Inty>whats the error code then?
01:56<Greg>well its the Warning! Could not write pid.eggdrop file!
01:57<Inty>check the permissions on the pid file
01:57<Greg>it hasn't been created yet
01:57<Greg>should i just make a random file with that name?
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01:57<Inty>hmm you could do that
01:57<Inty>but it should be doing that automatically
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01:58<Greg>well hey.. if i move the eggdrop folder.. everything will still work correct?
01:58<Inty>as long as the same user can still execute it yes
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01:58<Greg>when i compiled it under the root terminal it created an eggdrop folder under root
01:58<Greg>when i am logged in as greg though
01:58<WildOS>Greg: Perhaps you need to change permissions on the folder?
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01:59<Inty>chown greg:greg eggdrop_folder/
01:59<Inty>chown -R greg:greg eggdrop_folder/
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01:59<Inty>you also need recursive
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02:00<Requiem>failure of thermal sensors programs would be kernel style hardware interface failure correct?
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02:00<Requiem>recursive makes it so you own the subfolders and everything
02:00<Inty>thange the owner and the group of the eggdrop folder and underlying files and folders to your own user
02:00<Greg>is it fine to stay in my root folder?
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02:01<Inty>as long as the user executing the eggdrop has access to your root folder
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02:01<Requiem>which they shouldn't
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02:01<Inty>just put it in the home dir of the user executig the eggdrop
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02:02<Greg>i didn't know if it would be okay
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02:03<Greg>is there a way to get an address bar on my folders.. like a package
02:03<Greg>thats annoying that it keeps opening a new window every folder i click
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02:24<harpal>I have a startup script for squid and now when I reboot my system than squid doesnt start. After login if I start squid manually than its starting than whats problem?
02:24<WildOS>Anyone know how I can find out what version of binutil minGW 5.1.3 is using?
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02:29<Requiem>the problem is with the processor, not the chipset
02:30<Requiem>so to fully support the processor I need to upgrade to kernel 22...
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02:31<Requiem>is it possible to backport the kernel, or do I need to do a full compile?
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02:33<blarson>harpal: You may be trying to start it before everything it needs is ready.
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02:35<blarson>Requiem: backports are recompiles that use the dependancies available on the earlier release. (or other backported things)
02:35<harpal>blarson: I have just added squid at statup with update-rc.d squid defaults
02:36<klys_>xulrunner, I haven't used xulrunner. advice?
02:36<Requiem>can I get a 2.6.22 kernel without compiling it manually or not?
02:36<dpkg>from memory, xulrunner is a minimized mozilla release without user interface. the xul applications provide the user interface. see:
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02:37<harpal>Is there any log or anything from where I can see that or how to know which things is needed
02:37<Requiem>also getting a massive memory leak here...
02:38<klys_>the online documentation isn't helping: I want for starters a 256x160 borderless browse window positioned on my fluxbox desktop that can reload some text
02:38<nubbun>Is here the best channel to ask about a debian DVD (not) booting on a SPARC computer?
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02:38<blarson>harpal: look in /var/log/syslog
02:38<Requiem>define 'not booting'
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02:39<blarson>nubbun: try #debian-sparc , #debian-boot, or here
02:39<Requiem>can you boot a different disc (can you even find a SPARC bootable disc other than linux?)
02:40<weasel>why are you not simply installing over the network. it's a sparc after all :)
02:40<nubbun>Requiem, I insert DVD1 (r0). Start the computer. Issue the 'boot disk3' command. Get a message about no disklabel.
02:40<blarson>nubbun: What kind of sparc? What are the symptoms? What are you trying to boot?
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02:41<nubbun>I'm able to boot on a Gentoo DVD, but I want debian.
02:41<Requiem>what's that for?
02:41<Requiem>try a more recent kernel?
02:41<nubbun>blarson: ultra80
02:41<Requiem>!sarge 2.6.20
02:41<dpkg>sarge 2.6.20 is, like,
02:41<blarson>nubbun: disk3 would be for a disk. You need diferent options for a cdrom.
02:41<weasel>Requiem: you don't know sparc, right?
02:42<klys_>~google xulrunner minibrowser
02:42<Requiem>wait.. that site is only x86 isos
02:42<nubbun>I see there is a note that some sparcs aren't booting in the docs.
02:42<Requiem>but that worked for me when my disc wouldn't boot
02:42<nubbun>blarson, that is how I boot off this non-oem DVD drive.
02:42<blarson>nubbun: I think boot disk3:f might work, but I'd look at devalias.
02:43<weasel>nubbun: do you have another box that could run a tftpd?
02:43<nubbun>blarson, I'll try devalias. Never tried that before.
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02:43<nubbun>blarson,weasel I have an x86 box, I could install tftpd on.
02:43<nubbun>This is my first SPARC machine.
02:43<weasel>that'll probably work. at least that's how I installed my sparc
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02:44<nubbun>I've never used tftpd. Is there instructions on using it to install debian?
02:44<weasel>put it in the tftp root directory
02:45<weasel>then boot net0:,boot.img,,,3,3,
02:45<weasel>where .5 is your tftp server, and .11 is the machine's ip, and .1 is the gw
02:45<nubbun>command 'boot cdrom' doesn't find the DVD drive. Maybe I need to change the SCSI ID? 'boot disk3' has worked for me, though.
02:45<weasel>(of course use your own IP addresses :)
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02:48<blarson>nubbun: The cdrom devalias has something different than the disk ones. I think it was :f or something like that. You would need to jumper your dvdrom to scsi device 6 and use the cdrom alias, or change your devalias ...
02:48<harpal>blarson: thanx a lot, I havent created that log directory so its not starting at booting
02:49<harpal>I am missing with log directory
02:49[~]klys_ finds
02:49<klys_>still, I have a fluxbox question: how to make gecko positioned differently for different instances
02:49<harpal>but after login its starting than Is it not checking that log directory after login?
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02:51<nubbun>blarson, yes it has :f at the end. I'll look into changing it. -- though I think that's not what's causing the problem, because I'm able to boot Gentoo, which uses SILO as the boot loader. Someone know what Debian SPARC uses for the bootloader offhand?
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02:52<klys_>~/.fluxbox/apps: [app] (gecko) ...
02:52<klys_>so now it's all the same
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02:54<klys_>should I replace the apps file and then start xulrunner?
02:55<blarson>nubbun: silo
02:55<marko>hi, i just installed a new kernel manually, and now my usb drive takes a long time to mount, and when i type df it stalls, any idea?
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02:56<nubbun>marko, it takes a long time but still mounts?
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02:57<blarson>nubbun: If you don't want to change to devalias, you can always type the full device spec...
02:57<Requiem>anybody know anything about tracking down memory leaks?
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02:57<WildOS>will running "rpm -bp binutils.spec" be the same as running configure in Debian (on the downloaded source for binutils)? This is extremely important to my build and I am totally lost :/
02:58<weasel>Requiem: valgrind.
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02:58<Requiem>is that something that may be causing it, will fix it, or will track down the process that's causing it in the first place?
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02:59<weasel>if you have to ask this question then maybe your first question was badly put :)
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02:59<weasel>anyway. google can answer it
02:59<nubbun>Requiem, tracks it down. Program must be compiled to use it.
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03:03<Requiem>this seems to check one program at a time
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03:03<weasel>that's what memory leak means.
03:03<Requiem>I need something that will tell me which program is the problem
03:04<weasel>so you are not searching for memory leaks.
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03:04<weasel>what makes you think there is a problem?
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03:04<Requiem>"939952k used"
03:05<weasel>show the rest also
03:05<Requiem>so that's three times what it should be for the programs I'm running
03:05<weasel>how much of that in buffers? in cache?
03:05<weasel>it just means you are looking at free output and draw the wrong conclusions
03:05<Eulex>free -m ?
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03:06<Requiem>buffers 260MB cache 414MB
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03:06<weasel>so all is fine
03:07<nubbun>'used' is not what you were expecting, requiem
03:07<weasel>the linux kernel uses memory that's not used by applications to cache and buffer stuff
03:07<weasel>that memory is easily made available to apps when they use it, after all it's just caches
03:07<Requiem>this is something that turns off in my other machine due to small memory size?
03:07<weasel>but why go to the hard disk to read stuff over and over again when you could just keep it in memory
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03:08<weasel>it's probably not used as extensively under memory pressure
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03:08<Requiem>ah, oaky
03:09<Requiem>so Linux does have all the memory cacheing stuff, it just turns it off when you're to the poin that you're in/nearly in swap.
03:09<weasel>yes, no.
03:09<Requiem>(which explains why I could ad so many programs without going into swap over the top of idle even though idle had almost nothing free)
03:09<Eulex>no, it's never turned off. but if there's no free memory, it can't cache anything.
03:10<weasel>it might decide to swap out crap that's never used tho
03:10<Eulex>and cached memory is automatically recycled when apps need memory
03:10<weasel>like gettys
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03:10<Requiem>Ah, so this is basically all non consumed memory
03:11<Requiem>I can live with that
03:11<Eulex>well, potentially, if the kernel has found enough stuff to cache yet.
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03:12<Requiem>The kernel has had a day or so to find stuff to cache
03:13<Requiem>which is why I thought leak, memory consumption kept getting bigger
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03:15<harpal>have enabled net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1 in sysctl.conf and then I have run sysctl -p but I dont have 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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03:16<Greg>how do i list my processes
03:17<Eulex>harpal, what kernel?
03:17<Requiem>yeah, everything adds up now
03:17<Requiem>KDE is getting even more bloated too...
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03:17<weasel>harpal: .conf.?
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03:18<weasel>harpal: .default.?
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03:18<weasel>harpal: what's wrong with net.ipv4.ip_forward?
03:18<Eulex>harpal, never mind.
03:18<harpal>Eulex: I have installed Debian4.0 I have kernel 2.6.18-4-686
03:18<nubbun>Requiem, I think that kde4 will be less so because of changes to qt4
03:19<harpal>in debian 4.0 they have listed that to enable forwarding enable this line so I have enable
03:19<harpal>in sysctl.conf file
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03:20<weasel>harpal: that probably only applies to new interfaces then, or something
03:20<weasel>just echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and be done with it
03:21<harpal>ok than I can change it to net.ipv4.ip_forwarding in sysctl.conf
03:22<harpal>weasel: if we write the thing net.ipv4.ip_forwarding=1 and run command sysctl -p than it automatically do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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03:30<seanius>is it ip_forwarding or ip_forward?
03:31<seanius>in the sysctl.conf i have handy (not on a debian system but i can't imagine that its different) i see a net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
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03:39<Greg>how do i list my processes by id
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03:41<Kebianizao>ps aux | sort -n -k1
03:41<Kebianizao>I think
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03:47<Metalqga>Greg hi
03:48<Metalqga>i see you managed to install debian
03:49<Greg>its crazy
03:49<Metalqga>so happy for you
03:49<Metalqga>how do you find it?
03:49<Metalqga>i mean do you like it
03:50<Kebianizao>I can't see the text on the winecfg config dialog, the fonts behaves weirdly, it appear and disappear on every action
03:50<Greg>in ways i do.. i don't like things not working
03:50<Greg>i always have to go get packages hehe
03:50<Greg>and the resolution is really big and from like 20 years ago
03:50<Greg>i changed the theme so it looks a little better but still..
03:51<Kebianizao>for example if I change tab I can't see any text, but surprisingly if I do a screenshot text do appear
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03:51<Greg>well damn its 4am again
03:56<blarson>Greg: That happens every day. But not today for a little over 2 hours.
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04:03<Kebianizao>I'll ask upstreams, I wait they don't despiss me again for using the debian packages :/
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04:28<Nemoder>Is there a Linux Standards Base guideline for launching the default web browser from an application?
04:28<WildOS>Anyone heard ld-new ?
04:28<WildOS>Anyone heard about ld-new ?
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04:30<nubbun>blarson,weasel: With your help, I got a step closer. Debian install booted via tftp.
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04:31<nubbun>blarson,weasel: Now it wants a debian mirror. I can get it to ask for a mirror directory, but I don't see my scsi DVD device to mount it.
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04:35<nubbun>If there is no other way, I can set up a debian server to install from. How would the server need to be set up? Is that described somewhere?
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04:36[~]iblicf ...
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04:38[~]iblicf ?
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04:38<Nemoder>nubbun: maybe you need apt-proxy? not sure what you are doing
04:39<nubbun>nemoder, I'm doing a new install.
04:39<nubbun>nemoder, the installer is asking for a debian mirror.
04:39<nubbun>I have a DVD.
04:39<nubbun>I did a netboot because the DVD was not booting.
04:40<weasel>is there a reason why you don't want to use a mirror?
04:41<Nemoder>yea, I'd use a proxy, at least to get the base packages far enough along to get drivers for the dvd working
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04:42<nubbun>nemoder, my server is an x86 w/SUSE10.2 Where do I get the right proxy for that? Oh, do you mean an Internet proxy?
04:43<nubbun>Internet is out of the question. Too slow and expensive to install.
04:43<Nemoder>there's a program called apt-proxy, maybe it is only for debian though
04:43<Nemoder>but with it you can import files from a dvd
04:43<Nemoder>and then it acts as a server
04:44<nubbun>Nemoder, Where do I get it? It may work if I compile it from source.
04:44<nubbun>Would source be on the DVD?
04:44<Nemoder>could be
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04:45<Nemoder>it's in the admin section if that helps
04:45<Nemoder>not sure how dvds are laid out, I've always used net installer
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04:47<nubbun>I don't see a source package
04:47<nubbun>on the DVD
04:48<weasel>you can always try mounting the dvd and exporting it via http
04:49<nubbun>I can do that.
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04:56<nubbun>weasel , Thanks! bye.
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05:19<Aleksej>Sometimes (and now) I accidentally "Forget new packages" in aptitude. How do I see what's been added to "testing" recently?
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05:37<kzar>I am trying to get an old kernel working on my system. I compiled and boot it fine except one problem, usb keyboard and mouse doesn't work. On boot udev complains the kernel is too old. Should I maybe uninstall udev and use somthing older but I don't know the old way of doing it?
05:39<padski>kzar: before udev was devfs
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05:39<padski>kzar: what kernel version ?
05:39<padski>debian ?
05:39<kzar>padski: No just a normal copy
05:40<padski>kzar: huh ?
05:40<padski>kzar: ah! you mean vanilla upstream linus kernel
05:40<kzar>padski: Oh well if you meen which version debian I am running stable aka etch
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05:41<padski>kzar: out of interest, why do you want to run such an old kernel ?
05:41<kzar>padski: Because the raid card driver I have to install needs it :(
05:41<kzar>padski: I did apt-get install devfs and no luck, is it part of anoher package maybe?
05:42<padski>kzar: I'm not sure at which version the changeover took place.
05:42<padski>kzar: there was (is?) a separate usb device fileystem at one point
05:43<padski>kzar: can you not use a serial mouse :-)
05:43<kzar>padski: I might be being stupid but why do I need a filesystem for a usb keyboard?
05:43<kzar>padski: I can but I would rather get it sorted
05:43<padski>kzar: device nodes exist in the filesystem. you can just mknod them, but usb is rather dynamic
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05:44<kzar>padski: Hmm I guess I will try putting the kernel in 2.6.15 hopefully it might be old enough for the driver
05:44<padski>kzar: If it's a raid card, then I take it to be a server. if it has the sockets I would use the ps/2 connectors
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05:45<kzar>padski: it does have the sockets but its possible they might want to use a usb pen drive on it or somthing
05:45<kzar>padski: They are all quite anti-linux and if usb doesn't work they will moan and go on about it
05:45<petemc>have you looked into getting the card working with a recent kernel
05:45<kzar>padski: If it was my server I would do the same
05:45<kzar>petemc: Yea but its a bit of an arse
05:45<padski>kzar: yeah, depending on what you are doing, you might want to ask yourself whether this raid cardx is worth the bother. it surely has to be scheaper to buy a good one than maintain a 2.6.11 kernel fork
05:46<petemc>kzar: doesnt sound more of an arse than what you're doing?
05:46<kzar>petemc: Well we did try but it prooved difficult:
05:46<petemc>ignore experts-exchange
05:47<kzar>padski: I think your right but I kinda just want to get this working for now
05:47<petemc>it would be nice to have that site removed from google results
05:47<padski>yes, please don't encourage experts-exchange :-)
05:47<petemc>its shite
05:47<petemc>experts my ass
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05:48<padski>petemc: any idea how to tell a devfs kernel from a udev kernel ? (aside from the options you chose when you compiled it :-)
05:48<kzar>OK well the guy that helped me was pretty good to be fair, like I say I wouldn't use this raid card, care about USB or use experts echange iit where my choice but I am at work and I don't have a choice
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05:48<petemc>padski: not sure
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05:49<petemc>its all a bit over my head, but i am sure that using a 2.6.11 kernel with some bogey manufacturers driver isnt going to end well
05:49<padski>kzar: I reckon you must see a devfs or udev related option when your are building this kernel
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05:50<padski>petemc: we have offered that sort of advice, it isn't playing well. I am willing to try to help solve the simple usb problem.
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05:50<kzar>padski: I will have another bash at hacking the driver to play ball with the kernel but its kinda over my head a bit
05:50<kzar>padski: I did a fair bit of C a while ago but never kernel / driver stuff
05:51<padski>kzar: do the upstream not support a more recent version ?
05:51<padski>kzar: top tip: don;t printk in interupt context
05:51<padski>took me days to figure that one out :-)
05:51<kzar>padski: What do you meen by that?
05:52<padski>kzar: it was a long time ago ...
05:53<padski>kzar from what I recall, different code executes in different contexts. you can printk from some driver code just fine. interrupt context (from what I recall) you should basically do what you came to do and get out quick, printk is no-no.
05:54<padski>although a quick google suggests this is wrong ... :-(
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05:57<kzar>OK I just checked and we might be able to get a new raid card because rewriting drivers is pretty heavy (phew!) how can I find one that is definately going to work nicely? I don't want to get another dud
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05:59<padski>kzar: if you were buying a server from a vendor (like say dell, hp, etc) then you would generally go to them for the card and the OS. otherwise I suggest you ask where you plan on going for support if it goes wrong :-)
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05:59<oddtod>kzar what kind of raid are you setting up?
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06:00<kzar>padski: Its a pretty basic one currently although we might add to it later. Its just a mirror with two hard drives. In the future we might want to add more hard drives
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06:00<kzar>oops I ment to say oddtod: not padaski
06:01<oddtod>kzar why not just go with software raid?
06:01<codecaine>hey anybody having trouble using ktorrent its not download anything anymore for some reason
06:01<padski>kzar: ISTR alan cox recommending 3ware ... trying to find a quote
06:01<petemc>or use software raid
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06:02<oddtod>yeah software raid if your run software raid one and have hardware raid 0 on one of the drives in my opinion would be the best way of doing it
06:02<oddtod>although i don't think the hardware raid 0 is even needed
06:03<fgh>is there any file that may be telling info about whats the name/sort of my motherboard?
06:03<padski>kzar: I believe that is the real AC :-)
06:04<padski>kzar: I've heard there is a real case for soft-raid. hardware raid can sometimes be outpaced.
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06:05<kzar>So software raid would just be plugging the hard drives straight into the motherboard and getting linux to pretend its a raid?
06:06<oddtod>not so much pretending
06:06<padski>kzar: guess it depends what you want. with high-end hardware raid you get a large battery backed cache and offload a fair bit of work to the card.
06:06<oddtod>it just does the raid on in memory
06:06<padski>kzar: man mdadm
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06:07<oddtod>how much access do they see every day kzar?
06:07<padski>kzar: with hardware raid you do need to consider scenarios like controller failure, since deifferent controllers generally tend to have different on-disk formats
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06:08<oddtod>fgh: hwinfo try that command
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06:08<oddtod>fgh: you might have to install it
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06:08<kzar>oddtod: Well it will be used for customer backups of maybe 10gig each. The server will sit idle most of the time but sometimes have to suddenly recieve/share a backup
06:09<padski>kzar: and the balancing quote to the recommendation, again AC: "take recommendations and don't believe in brand names"
06:10<oddtod>yeah software is the way i would go in my opinion for raid one i wouldn't buy some amazing card either i mean you don't need to go crazy
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06:10<oddtod>if you were running raid 5 i might go with a hardware raid
06:10<oddtod>but even then software is a powerful tool
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06:11<padski>kzar: sudden is an interesting word to use when you are talking about 10GB. I would hazard a guess that the bottleneck will be the network (or cpu) but not the disk subsystem.
06:11<kzar>padski: true
06:12<kzar>padski: Speed is fairly important but reliability is the main thing
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06:12<brislingf>how do i change a user password when i have root access
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06:13<padski>kzar: figure out what scenarios you have to cover and plan for those contingencies. evolve your machine design with those plans.
06:13<oddtod>brislingf: passwd
06:13<oddtod>passwd then the user
06:13<brislingf>what if the user has forgot the current passwd ?
06:13<oddtod>you're root
06:14<oddtod>you don't need their password
06:14<brislingf>its asking for current password
06:14<oddtod>just ran the command on my machine
06:14<oddtod>as root
06:14<padski>kzar: managing the various hardware failure risks will likely exercise you more than any software problems.
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06:14<oddtod>what distro are you running brislingf?
06:15<kzar>padski: Say the thing is though if we want to add a load more hard drives later and we go with software raid now surely I will hit the limits of what the motherboard can support?
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06:15<kzar>padski: Maybe if I got one of those 3Way cards it could handle more hard drives if we needed to add more later on?
06:15<oddtod>kzar: a basic promise land card runs on stock drivers
06:15<brislingf>ohh my mistake thx for the help
06:17<oddtod>kzar: i have a Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller and it ran from the get go no need to install anything
06:17<oddtod>kzar: it just worked
06:18<padski>kzar: every machine has a limit to its upgradeability. In my experience a lot of room to grow provisioning is a false economny (or at least I'm skeptical). I would be more oportunistic about it: make the evaluation when you have the info (or do what you can now with the info you have now).
06:18<hamish>Just upgraded to Etch; 2.14's Gnome-panel dictionary applet no longer provides any spell check functionality beyond "Error while looking up definition" if the spelling was wrong. I am lost without an easy spell checker! Any ideas how to get one back? Is there an equivalent KDE-panel applet?
06:18<padski>oddtod: that SII card, that bios raid ?
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06:19<WildOS>Where can I find info about making a cross compiler that runs under windows and makes debian executables? I've found the following guide but It failed badly when building the toolchain...
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06:19<oddtod>i don't know haven't ran it that way
06:19<WildOS>using mingw
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06:19<oddtod>padski: i'm running it software raid 1 hardware raid 0
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06:20<oddtod>padski: i just needed to add drives let me look into it though
06:20<padski>oddtod: interesting setup. why not just do them both in software ?
06:21<padski>oddtod: it makes that much difference ?
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06:21<oddtod>padski: not at all i had the card laying around but now with 6 drives in the computer theres no way i could do it with just the mobo in there
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06:22<padski>oddtod: need big psu :-)
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06:23<oddtod>padski: i think its like a 450 i definitly need to do some upgrading for it but the drives are all the machine runs
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06:23<oddtod>padski: last i checked right around 2 teras
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06:24<oddtod>passki: not usable n - 1
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06:24<kzar>oddtod: The raid card you mentioned, is it still available to buy? I googled and didn't find much
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06:26<padski>oddtod: I have a box with 6 disks. pushed the PSU a little to far. it became unstable, would crash once every couple of weeks or so. took me far too long to figure it out. I tell myself its like booze: it's not the label on the bottle that'll give you the hangover ;-) (whenever I shoot myself in the foot with a homebrew project :-)
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06:28<oddtod>padski: yeah i really need to get a new box for it haha its like 400mhz p2 with like 256 megs of ram and just a bunch of disks stacked on that. haha sucks for actually processing stuff, like i let it do the work load for when i need to size images with imagemagick and it takes hours to finish batches of images HAHA
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06:28<oddtod>reading an article right now on a guy that was practicing dentistry for 29 years with out a license
06:30<padski>oddtod: how did he get caught in the end ?
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06:32<oddtod>someone just reported him he must have botched a job
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06:35<padski>what it must be like to have stock photography of person in dentist cahir at your fingertips ;-)
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06:41<oddtod>padski: you in the industry or just hobbist?
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06:42<padski>oddtod: industry, for my sins. yourself ?
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06:44<oddtod>yeah i'm in the industry sorta get my degree at the end of the year right now just in kinda llama IT job just trying to get experience to couple wiht my degree so i can make some real money
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06:45<oddtod>well its 5 AM here i better go to bed so i can wake up at 12 i hae school
06:46<oddtod>haha have a good night / day / life
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06:48<padski>oddtod: you too :-)
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06:53<tony>where do i add the line " UserDir public_html " to enable user directories for apache2 (etch)? is it in "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default" ?
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06:53<kzar>OK thanks for the raid advice everyone I think I am going to go with mdadm because it loos pretty easy and is cheap. I don't think we really need anything else if its not too much slower for Raid0
06:54<Alex00>hei i need some help
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06:55<Alex00>how can i install form internet debian netinst if i have a pppoe connection
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06:55<padski>kzar: raid 0 ???
06:55<gsimmons>tony: You don't. Use "a2enmod userdir" instead.
06:55<padski>kzar: though you siad you were after reliability ?
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06:56<tony>gsimons: is this a deb to be installed with apt-get?
06:56<Alex00>can help me someone ?
06:57<tony>gsimons: sorry, i saw it, a command
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06:59<kzar>padski: Raid 0 is mirrored right?
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06:59<weasel>but thanks for playing
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07:00<tony>gsimons: thanks a lot, don't know how i missed the existence of a2enmod before
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07:00<kzar>oh sorry I ment mirrored, I am new to raids as you can see
07:00<kzar>only one way to learn though
07:00<kneet>weasel: do players get a prize?
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07:00<padski>kzar: indeed it is, and sociably is nice way to do so :-)
07:00<padski>kzar: good luck with your project
07:01<kzar>padski: cool thanks :)
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07:02<gsimmons>tony: np. There's similar commands for enabling/disabling your website configurations (a2ensite/a2dissite) as well. They're handy for managing virtual hosts.
07:03<tony>gsimons: thanks a lot. holy smokes, sounds good
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07:04<kzar>I have one more question actually. Supposing I have two hard drives in a software mirrored raid and I want to add two more hard drives. Would it be possible to tack the extra drives on the end so they are mounted to the same point?
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07:04<ranix>kzar: man md has all that and more, news at 11
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07:05<kzar>ranix: Cool ok thanks
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07:07<ranix>kzar: four raid 1 drives is approaching rediculous
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07:07<ranix>kzar: you would want some raid 5 probably
07:08<weasel>or raid 10
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07:09<padski>kzar: for a backup server, I would think you'll want to go to something like raid5 after 2 drives
07:09<kzar>Supposing I went for raid1 on two drives now could I add two drives and switch to raid5 easily?
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07:11<Berge>kzar: No, you can't reorganise a RAID1 to RAID5.
07:11<padski>kzar: I think it could be done, depending on workload. one possiblity: start up the new two as a raid5 system (perhaps a three disk st degraded), and transfer your existing data onto that, then your other two disks are free and you can add them into your raid.
07:16<padski>kzar: bear in mind that there would be a period while you rebuild that degraded array when you are a little short on redundancy :-)
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07:16<Berge>padski: With a RAID5 degraded, you don't have much redundancy (-: But else, good idea.
07:16<padski>kzar: there are systems that will do going from a three disk raid5 to a four disk raid5. you'll need to check that yours supports this.
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07:16<padski>Berge: yes, as I point out there is a risk there.
07:16<Berge>There's code in Linux to expand RAID5 over more devices.
07:16<Berge>padski: mm
07:16<padski>Berge: it's a backup server
07:16<Berge>padski: Good point.
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07:16<padski>Berge: so cost-benefit would be something like, what are the odds of it going tits up in those 24 hours versus the cost of making all the backups again plus the risk of not having the backup while that is done.
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07:16<Berge>padski: Depends if you're taking Murphy into account (-; But yes, there's a low risk.
07:16<padski>kzar: it would be safer to buy a fifth disk and not have that gap. small price to pay :-)
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07:17<Berge>padski: I've had a disk fail in a main storage server at the same time as a controller died in the backup server, though (-:
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07:17<padski>kzar: probably worth bearing in mind that if a disk is damaged in transport it will likely fail quite soon after it enters service, if you put it straight into service. I have seen a whole raid of four disks do this :-)
07:17<ranix>raid 5 with dump/restore on DLT tape is what I do
07:18<ranix>it's unbeatable
07:18<WildOS>I have a script that runs a configure script as follows: configure --build=${build} --host=${host} The arguments --build and --host, is that special for configure scripts?
07:18<ranix>you can't get better than that no matter how much money you throw at the problem
07:18<padski>ranix: I have had so much pain with tape :-(
07:18<ranix>? where is there pain
07:18<Berge>ranix: Don't like tape, either.. But you could alwasy throw in more servers.
07:19<Berge>ranix: If money's no issue, that is (-:
07:19<padski>ranix: don't know that I've had much to do with DLT though, perhaps it just depends on the type. DAT tapes were nothing but pain.
07:19<ranix>Berge: off-site servers aren't always a feasible option
07:19<Berge>ranix: They are, if money's not an issue (-;
07:20<padski>Berge: when is money ever not an issue ;-)
07:20<ranix>Berge: not really. You can't get network connectivity in this part of the world that will get the speed one would need out of a fileserver
07:20<padski>Berge: and how do I get a job there ;-)
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07:21<Berge>padski: At my university, they're really good at throwing money at such problems, rather than wits..
07:21<Berge>padski: Just apply, we're in the need workforce (-;
07:21<Berge>ranix: What part of the world?
07:21<ranix>Berge: east coast USA
07:21<padski>ranix: how far are you guys talking about, what contingency are you traying to cover ? I knew a place once had a mainframe with two nodes 0.5km apart could run in lockstep. one end would keep going if the other end got bombed. simple: use two bombs :-)
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07:22<Berge>ranix: ah
07:22<ranix>padski: well what I usually think about is intentional destruction of hardware by an employee and fire
07:23<ranix>padski: generally the former can be solved by locks and doors, and the latter by off-site tape backups
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07:26<padski>ranix: agreed, off-site backup covers physical threats. fire & theft come to mind. problem with sabotage is how much an insider might know or have access to. off-site can be good against that too, but I would want to think about "silent corruption" too.
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07:27<WildOS>How come the variable, $ac_option, is not defined within my configuration script? Is it pre defined?
07:28<WildOS>With configuration scripts I mean the one packet with source code (e.g. gcc)
07:29<padski>WildOS: wild guess. $ac_option isn't the commanline options that you give to configure ?
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07:30<artur>hi all
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07:33<deepak>msg nickserv identify @123
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07:33<JasonS>why thank you deepak
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07:34<deepak>JasonS, ??
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07:35<JasonS>09:33:12] <deepak> msg nickserv identify @123
07:35<deepak>JasonS, Worng typing ....teaching to my Bro?
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07:35<artur>anybody knows how to set up xkb in KDE?
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07:41<WildOS>padski: when I try to echo $ac_option or ${ac_option} it prints nothing even though I added lots of parameters.. Why is this?
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07:44<padski>WildOS: I'm sorry, I don't understand all that ac stuff :-(
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07:45<padski>WildOS: there must be documentation for autoconf and freinds ?
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07:46<WildOS>padski: I thought configure scripts was just ordinary sh scripts, but it seems they are connected to some file and even the makefiles... Is this stuff something I should bother with? Is it common knowledge?
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07:47<padski>WildOS: its gnu autoconf, and it is in shell
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07:48<padski>WildOS: some people curse it, some others say that it is better for packaging that a thousand hand-rolled systems all slightly different. me, no opinion.
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07:49<WildOS>padski: okay, until I am going to make my own configure scripts I think I'll just think about it as something that is done automagically =)
07:49<padski>WildOS: apparently poor use of autoconf is all too common. but as a user of package using it all you should need to know is to read the README/INSTALL and follow the instructions :-)
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07:49<padski>WildOS: I;m comfortable with shell, but looking at autoconf files makes my eyes bleed ;-)
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07:50<WildOS>padski: well, the thing is, I am editing a script that is responsible for running makefiles and configure scripts.. and there are lots of parameters in there which I have no clue how to change :(
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07:50<padski>WildOS: step back. why are you doing this ?
07:51<Metalqga>what is your favourite terminal based irc client? I'm currently experimenting with irssi
07:51<WildOS>padski: I am building a cross-compiler for a windows host system (mingw), and this script is supposed to help me with the work..
07:52<Wankus>A hardware problem here, I turned on my computer 5 minutes ago and a very loud noise like a pneumatic drill started coming from inside it (it was doing an fsck at the time). I turned it off thinking it was going to blow up. I've just turned it on now and the sound is gone. What might be the problem, is the harddrive going?
07:52<Metalqga>a fan
07:52<WildOS>Wankus: the cpu fan?
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07:52<WildOS>Changed mine several times
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07:53<WildOS>I've found it that it helps getting physical ;-)
07:53<Metalqga>if it's the hdd then you can test it by copying a >50mb folder (to put some stress)
07:53<Wankus>WildOS, is it supposed to be that really loud?
07:54<Wankus>Metalqga, I'll try that now, cheers
07:54<WildOS> Wankus: well, if it is, you should probably get a new one asp
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07:54<WildOS>high frequency?
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07:55[~]piozzo \o
07:55<WildOS>the noise I mean
07:55<witte>Wankus: open the box, and waitt until the noise returns,
07:55<witte>Wankus: then, Identify the device
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07:55<Wankus>WildOS, no, it wasn't high frequency, it was like a loud car engine!
07:56<Wankus>scared the s***t out of me!
07:56<Metalqga>lol, a high frequency is most likely the PSU
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07:56<Metalqga>open the case, claen some dust it's healthy
07:56<witte>Wankus: and if it is not dirty (often a case with fans), you most likely need to replace it
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07:58<WildOS>Wankus: but remember to shut it down first, and remove the power completely. My computer started burning a few years ago, when I tried to clean it using an air compressor ;-)
07:59<Wankus>witte, My Pc is very dusty actually, could be that.
07:59<Wankus>WildOS, Thanks for the tip :)
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08:02<Metalqga>back to gui
08:03<padski>WildOS: windows is the build host, or the target ?
08:03<Wankus>Thanks for the advice guys, I;m going to open this one up to have a look.
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08:04<WildOS>padski: windows as host, debian as target (and build)
08:04<padski>WildOS: and this you idea of fun ?
08:04<padski>WildOS: ;-)
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08:06<WildOS>padski: hehe.. I prefer working in debian, but some people like windows, and they should be allowed to stay in their familiar environment even when making embedded stuff :-)
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08:09<padski>WildOS: ok. well I reckon you might have your work cut out for you. do you have experience building cross- toolchains on linux ?
08:10<WildOS>how come some variables in sh scripts are referred to with $variable while ${variable} is used for others
08:10<padski>WildOS: you could replace all $a with ${a} and it would mean the same but in some instances without the brackets it is ambiguous
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08:11<padski>or least doesn;t mean what you want :-)
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08:11<padski>(ambiguous is wrong word really)
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08:12<WildOS>padski: so you could do ${1} instead of $1 ?
08:13<WildOS>for arguments..
08:13<padski>WildOS: dunno :-) is $1 a special case ?
08:13<WildOS>it's kind a special =)
08:15<padski>WildOS: it seems to work with bash
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08:25<padski>is there something like a firewall CDD ?
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08:27<WildOS>padski: I'll run som further tests too =)
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08:28<padski>witte: point being that it is entirely within debian, not just derived frmo
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08:29<padski>witte: although for needs I would look at derived projects too
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08:30<witte>padski: ok, I just never heard of it...
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08:31<padski>witte: firewalls are such a big niche for linux, I'm surprised and disappointed there isn't a debian firewall CDD
08:31<padski>witte: even tempterd to have a go myself :-)
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08:31<padski>witte: problem is finding the time away from chatting on irc ;-)#
08:31<laniz>padski: i think the INSERT Linux Project has a package list. based on that you could rebuild the distro with CDD possibly. or just remaster knoppix
08:32<padski>laniz: thanks, I'll take a look
08:32<witte>padski: If you would start with it, it would probably have a lot of people interested
08:32<afflux>Is there any policy on how to behave when I get no answer on my RFS mail in debian-mentors? Don't think i'm unpatient, but since the list is rather high traffic I think my mail might got lost... should I just wait? (posted two weeks ago)
08:33<padski>laniz: its a coll idea, but a long way off where I'm headed :-(
08:33<laniz>padski: but if you start something like that, please let me know. i would be interested in something like a Debian Firewall
08:34<padski>laniz: I guess there must be an equivalent to an ITP for a CDD. probably just an email to the CDD list
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08:34<laniz>padski: i am unsure, but think the CDD project is "sleeping"
08:35<laniz>could be easier to remaster knoppix with a special package selection
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08:35<padski>laniz: that's not sleep! that's people busy doing the work! :-)
08:36<znag>hi, can anyone tell me how to use TAB as a delimeter in cut?
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08:36<padski>znag: -d'<tab character here>'
08:37<padski>znag: you can probably type tab as ctrl-v i
08:37<afflux>znag: according to the man page (in ubuntu) TAB is the default field delimiter
08:37<padski>znag: but isn't tab the default ? :-)
08:38<znag>hm padski: hm stupid me :)
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08:39<padski>laniz: I'm not thinking of something like INSERT, more something like ipcop or smoothwall
08:39<padski>znag: took me a moment :-)
08:40<laniz>padski: yeah. thats why i mentioned the "special package selection". but for the basic functionally you can use such a model
08:40<padski>laniz: huh ?
08:40<laniz>to remaster knoppix you can follow a pretty straight forward guide
08:40<laniz>and INSERT is a remastered knoppix, basically
08:41<laniz>just specialized in forensics and not in firewalling
08:41<laniz>why do you laugh? :)
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08:43<padski>I think I follow your train of thought, but you have to admit it is a bit "I ask for a firewall CDD and you offer a forensics knoppix remaster, and then we continue to talk at cross-purposes (or at least I do) for some time" :-)
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08:44<laniz>well :)
08:45<padski>laniz: it would be pretty nifty if the install disk doubled as a forensics disk though, I have to say!
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08:46<laniz>i admit the example with INSERT Linux was confusing. i meant it as a model for how remastering Knoppix can work out. the guide is really easy:
08:46<laniz>its similar to what CDD aimed for, i think
08:47<laniz>so the Knoppix developers (its based on Debian!) do the distro work. and you just have to choose other packages and configure the packages in a different way. and its done!
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08:48<padski>laniz: yes, it needs to that easy :-)
08:49<padski>laniz: at least to get started. some things will always be hard :-)
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08:49<laniz>yeah, e.g. replacing all the logos and things :P
08:50<padski>laniz: I did start tinkering about with SimpleCDD and got as far as producing an install disk that worked. it was fairly painless.
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08:51<laniz>padski: lets wait till Mr. Knopper is officially a Debian Developer. maybe he helps the CDD project :)
08:52<padski>laniz: I'm sure his contribution, in the form of knoppix, is already enourmous :-)
08:53<laniz>definetly. the hardware detection of knoppix was absolutely unique to that time. only Mandrake Linux had something of similar quality
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08:53<laniz>hardware detection and auto configuration that is
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09:05<Sergeant>JOIN #miwa
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09:05<Sergeant>sorry, wrong window )
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09:07<flami>Hi Im useing lvm , can i write the fstab as usual as with normal partitions? or is there anything special i need to be aware of ?
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09:08<cobra>hi #debian
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09:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:14<laniz>he just said hi and you flood him with this book of a story :)
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09:15<cobra>laniz: no problem ;) always good to have some informations ;)
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09:15<laniz>cobra: how is Sidux doing these days? :)
09:15<cobra>very fine ;)
09:16<carlos>guys i'm new here
09:16<carlos>wats up
09:16<laniz>carlos: new to IRC or new to Debian?
09:16<carlos>i can say to both
09:16<carlos>i have just installed ubuntu on my machine
09:17<laniz>carlos: cause i think the people made an extra room for general chatting and aim to keep this place focused on support questions
09:17<cobra>laniz: but how do you know that i came from sidux?
09:17<laniz>cobra: i saw you there some time ago
09:17<cobra>laniz: ahh, ok ;)
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09:19<carlos>ok i see wat you mean but i still getting familiar with ubuntu i hope i will have more questions to ask
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09:19<witte>carlos: there is also an #ubuntu channel, if you have questions, people there will be better equiped to answer
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09:19<witte>carlos: in principle, only debian questions are on topic here
09:20<carlos>but i want to know how i can install google talk on my machine?
09:20<petemc>so ask #ubuntu
09:20<carlos>ok guys
09:20<carlos>later then
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09:56<posix>Anyone recommend a web front-end for samba? (something like a webmin replacement that is maintained and secured, perhaps CipUX?)
09:56<azeem>there's swat, I tought
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09:58<bewboy>hi every body,!!!!!!!!!!
09:59<bewboy>i need help with the location of my headers.
09:59<flami>is there a way to find out in which package i can find : apr-1-config
09:59<flami>!tell bewboy about ask
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09:59<gsimmons>!tell flami -about search
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10:02<bewboy>i am trying to install vmware, but during the config it says me "what is the location of the directory of C headers files that match your runnin kernel", i specify it /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19/include
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10:02<bewboy>but it don't acept these.
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10:03<E0x>do you have the headers of the running kernel there ?
10:03<bewboy>i thing so.
10:03<lupine>bewboy: "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" might work
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10:04<lupine>ISTR VMware being an absolute pain for getting the kernel module compile
10:04<lupine>In fact, I think there was a patch or something last time I tried it (.17 kernel in ubuntu)
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10:06<ranix>I installed VMware with no problem whatsoever
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10:06<ranix>the install script is well written barring some retarded assumptions that just happened to be true
10:06<lupine>good to hear. Like I said, my experience is a bit out of date
10:07<ranix>i.e. assuming /bin/sh is bash
10:07<ranix>although that has been fixed I believe
10:07<bewboy>i understand uname -r identify my kernel version
10:07<ranix>overall I am impressed by vmware
10:07[~]lupine found it no faster than qemu + kqemu
10:07<ranix>but I wouldn't use it in a server environment and would examine qemu or similar first
10:08<lupine>although I haven't tried their directx stuff
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10:08<ranix>lupine: the directx in vmware is staggeringly good
10:08<ranix>lupine: directx7 and 8 are almost fully supported, 9 is fuzzy
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10:09<bewboy>and i have a dir "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19" with a lot of file that i asume as the headers
10:09<lupine>I bet bioshock doesn't work under it ;)
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10:09<ranix>I will not be buying bioshock
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10:09<ranix>because it has no multiplayer
10:09<lupine>meh. neither did system shock 1
10:09<ranix>I might pirate it
10:09<lupine>I was playing that yesterday/today, and it's still a blindingly good gamer
10:10<ranix>my CPU is aging
10:10<ranix>2.4ghz Northwood
10:11<ranix>and I can't overclock it anymore because my good motherboard died and now I'm on a failure asus board
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10:19<ranix>!tell bewboy about knoppix
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10:24<debgod>noshadow: Sorry, I didn't get it. What's a lawyerbomb?
10:24<lupine>the best thing in the world, by the sounds of it
10:24<lupine>a lawyer strapped to a Paveway
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10:38<kv>hi, what does this mean - If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. ?
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10:43<fili>i'm having trouble getting a serial port to work properly
10:43<fili>im using a null modem cable between two servers with heartbeat
10:43<fili>all seems well on both (hardwar identical) machines
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10:44<fili>however a simple echo test >/dev/ttyS0 doesnt work
10:44<fili>i just cant seem to find the problem
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10:44<fili>any1 has a clue where to look next?
10:44<fili>(been allover the net)
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11:08<Madcap>Hey people
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11:09<Madcap>Would anybody here know a way for me to resize both an ntfs and an ext3 partition without losing data?
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11:10<kv>You won't lose anything
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11:11<Madcap>excuse me?
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11:12<Madcap>As far as I know, when I use parted (or a gui for parted) I lose the data on the ntfs partition
11:12<avds>if I want to use two DSL uplinks in parallel, what should I ask from google?
11:12<Madcap>and when I use partition magic I lose the data on my ext3 partition
11:12<azeem>Madcap: not these days with a recent parted, I think
11:12<azeem>Madcap: but this is not legal advise
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11:12<avds>(in debian of course)
11:12<kv>I've done it once, i didn't loso anything
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11:13<Madcap>I'll take a closer look at it, thanks
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11:14<kv>I resized the partition where was some room left
11:14<kv>maybe that's why you sole some data
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11:15<Madcap>I have space left on my ntfs partition
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11:15<Madcap>but the last time I resised a partition (wich is a few years ago I msut say) one of the partitons remained empty after
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11:22<flami>Hi whats the equivalent to mount --bind dir1 dir2 in the /etc/fstab ?
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11:22<gsimmons>avds: I think the term you're after is "split access" (I've also seen it as "policy routing"). You'd want to read section 4.2 of the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO.
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11:26[~]cobra is away: zur zeit nicht da
11:27<azeem>cobra: please turn that off
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11:27<Madcap>Too bad, I can't mess around with a partition that's currently active
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11:34[~]fxiny reads the Peru chronicle : apparently St.Ignucius became a Delay Lama , yeahhh "delay" : Peru net crashsed ...
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11:54<julioh>me lo croman
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11:55<avds>gsimmons, thanks
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12:06<Pingu_lady>im tryng to install Debian4 from netinstall but it dont detect my ethernet card (Asus p5k onboard)
12:06<Pingu_lady>any tips?
12:06<julioh>lo croman jojotiado
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12:08<noflash>julioh, english ?
12:08<Pingu_lady>can anyone give me a tip?
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12:11<dli>Pingu_lady, then, get the 1st installation cd
12:12<Pingu_lady>no otherway to solve the problem?
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12:13<laniz>that wont help
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12:13<laniz>the problem is the support in the kernel 2.6.18
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12:14<laniz>there used to be an article about it on Planet Debian, but google points to an RSS feed that is gone
12:14<laniz>hang on
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12:16<Pingu_lady>i got an answer sayng that my network chipset is not suported :S
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12:16<laniz>yeah, thats what i said indirectly
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12:17<dli>Pingu_lady, it's supported by linux, but not natively
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12:17<laniz>i just try to find a weblog or page that explains how you get a newer kernel to your netinstall
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12:17<laniz>dli: your 2 statements confuse the situation more than it helps
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12:19<laniz>Pingu_lady: while i search you can look yourself after a netinstall image with a newer kernel from backports
12:19<Pingu_lady>i DL this netinstaller today from Debian website
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12:20<dli>Pingu_lady, the status is more or less like this:
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12:21<dli>Pingu_lady, you can first use a full installation CD to install a basic system, then, you would be able to install a driver for LAN
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12:21<laniz>Pingu_lady: forget that link. do you have a chance to copy the kernel package from backports to the netinstall device?
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12:22<laniz>and ignore dli till he suggests something that helps the situation
12:22<Pingu_lady>i burn netinstall to a CD
12:22<Pingu_lady>should i put it on a pen driver together with it?
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12:23<Pingu_lady>or i can simply re-burn it , if thats what u mean
12:24<dli>Pingu_lady, let me check whether atl1 is supported in lenny
12:24<laniz>Pingu_lady: basically what you do is this: you install your base system. and after that you install the 2.6.21 kernel from (for etch)
12:25<laniz>Pingu_lady: do you know how to do that?
12:25<dli>Pingu_lady, since etch doesn't support atl1 natively, I don't suggest you to do netinst etch
12:25<laniz>dli: you slowly make me aggressive
12:26<Pingu_lady>laniz, relax...:)
12:26<Pingu_lady>well that way i must DL the whole base ssystem cd right?
12:26<laniz>no. that is on the netinstall cd
12:27<laniz>the only problem is you cant go further directly because you need the new kernel from for etch
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12:27<Pingu_lady>but i cant go throw the netinstall without netword card
12:27<Pingu_lady>it dont go throw...
12:27<laniz>the netinstall has all you need for a debootstrap
12:27<Pingu_lady>do i have to make any command before start booting?
12:27<dli>Pingu_lady, atl1 is supported in current stable kernel or lenny
12:28<laniz>okay, sod it. until somebody silences dli i wont pay attention anymore
12:28<dli>Pingu_lady, you may either install a basic etch and upgrade to 2.6.22 kernel, or simply install lenny (with 2.6.21 kernel currently)
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12:29<laniz>this channel slowly reaches the quality level of #ubuntu on Freenode
12:29<Pingu_lady>dli please..... your making me really confused, im a bit newbie on *unix systems and with laniz telling me something and u teelling me something differentmy head will explode soon
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12:29<Pingu_lady>laniz, he is just tryng to be nice....i think:)
12:29<laniz>no, he is a clueless jerk who cant STFU
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12:30<Pingu_lady>so laniz how can i do the base install without passing the network card detection?
12:31<laniz>i said i wont support any people till somebody silenced this clueless person
12:31<dli>Pingu_lady, to make it work for you is my objective, and since I don't see any channel guru here, I suggest you to first understand why it doesn't work with etch, then decide the way to go
12:31<azeem>laniz: we don't silence persons on these terms
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12:31<laniz>azeem: welcome to ubuntu then
12:31<azeem>dli: what do you mean with "understand why it doesn't work with etch"
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12:32<dli>azeem, atl1 is not supported by etch kernel
12:32<azeem>dli: how is that related to "understanding"
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12:32<laniz>i take bets dli never even heard about
12:32<dli>azeem, noting that, why should a n00b try to use etch netinst
12:32<azeem>why not?
12:33<azeem>it's recommended
12:33<dli>azeem, then tell him, not me
12:33<azeem>the question is how to go from here
12:33<azeem>tell "him" wht?
12:33<dli>azeem, how to use netinst
12:33<laniz>we been there 10 minutes ago if this person would not have insisted in being a PITA
12:33<Pingu_lady>if u guys stop fightihng and concentrate those 3 brains on my subject im sure we can solve tihs out quickly
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12:33<dli>azeem, he had been asking for help for long, that was why I picked up
12:33<azeem>dli: Pingu_lady used netinst, but their system is not supported by it
12:34<Pingu_lady>(tas lhe a chamar pita?lol)
12:34<azeem>dli: there's no need to urgently help somebody if you don't know the answer either
12:34<Pingu_lady>it only get the things more confusing
12:34<laniz>Pingu_lady: short for "pain in the anus"
12:34<azeem>Pingu_lady: why can't you use the full CD1?
12:34<dli>azeem, my answer would work, install a basic system and install the driver for it
12:34<Pingu_lady>couse netinstall is more small:)
12:35<Pingu_lady>but i can DL the full too
12:35<laniz>azeem: dude. the full CD has no kernel from backports also
12:35<azeem>laniz: but dude, it installs a working system
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12:35<dli>azeem, that was what I suggested, use cd1, if you scroll up
12:35<laniz>azeem: but that does not change the situation that she has to get a 2.6.21 kernel from backports on there. and then you can do it on the debootstrapped system anyways
12:35<azeem>it's far easier to put a backports kernel on that than on a aborted netinst installation
12:36<laniz>yeah, it just takes some people a few hours to download the full CD
12:36<azeem>Pingu_lady: is this a desktop or a notebook?
12:36<laniz>in that time its all sorted
12:37<Pingu_lady>with a Asus p5k
12:37<azeem>Pingu_lady: and you can't put an installed ethernet card into itß?
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12:37<dli>Pingu_lady, azeem is a guru, but not quite wake up :( there's nothing to abort here for you, you can't use netinst here, unless you want to get hand dirty
12:37<Pingu_lady>you mean place an extra network card to install debian ( sorry about my poor english)
12:37<azeem>dli: what are you talking about
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12:38<azeem>Pingu_lady: yes
12:38<Pingu_lady>yes i can
12:38<Pingu_lady>i have some Realtake cards here
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12:38<azeem>Pingu_lady: that'd be the easiest
12:38<laniz>somebody please tell me when jerks like dli moved over to #ubuntu on Freenode. thanks
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12:38<dli>azeem, he mentioned asus p5k long ago :( now you asked him desktop or laptop, or keep the netinst, without net, nothing to keep from from netinst
12:39<Pingu_lady>azeem, after the base isntall system is ready i can try to load the right modules to my atls network card?
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12:40<azeem>Pingu_lady: just install as you want
12:40<azeem>Pingu_lady: then, install a new kernel from
12:40<webtech_m33>anyone know how to block SYN_RECV doss attacks? with iptables??
12:40<Pingu_lady>but i must compile the kernel first before install it?
12:41<azeem>Pingu_lady: no, you just install it from the repository
12:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>
12:42<Pingu_lady>cool, couse i never compiled a kernel before:)
12:42<azeem>it's not needed
12:42<Pingu_lady>azeem, i will apply a diferente NC and try to install it
12:42<Pingu_lady>after that ill come back with some ressults
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12:42<Pingu_lady>Really appreciated your help azeem
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12:43<Pingu_lady>thanks to dli too but.....try not to be so childish :)
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12:43<dli>Pingu_lady, I was trying to help you, if not helpful, you may simply ignore, irc has /ignore
12:43<webtech_m33>any firewall guys/gals hiding in here?
12:43<Pingu_lady>i dont ignore people, im a human beein
12:44<Pingu_lady>cya later boys!
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12:44<dli>webtech_m33, , first from google, I use bastille, which has a choice use ignoring syn ddos
12:45<Metalqga>use firestarter
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12:47<webtech_m33>my postfix mail is just running sooo slow
12:47<webtech_m33>it's driving me nuts
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12:48<webtech_m33>so i can apt-get install bastille and install it?
12:49<dli>webtech_m33, bastille is kind of outdated, but I find it's quite easy to use: apt-get install psad bastille
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12:49<fxiny>old psad still around ?
12:49<bgat>So, Linus apparently thinks Debian is too "technical" for him? :)
12:49<dli>fxiny, yes, any replacement for psad?
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12:50<fxiny>snort ?
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12:50<dli>fxiny, I'll try that
12:50<Metalqga>bgat a link?
12:51<bgat>interview with Linus posted on slashdot.
12:51<Metalqga>ciao fxiny
12:51<fxiny>dli: snort can feed shorewall for example
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12:51<fxiny>dli: i used psad long ago
12:51<dli>fxiny, I don't use shorewall
12:51<fxiny>Metalqga: hi met :)
12:51<dli>fxiny, can I still use snort?
12:51<Metalqga>do you know that we say ciao for bye?
12:52<fxiny>dli: iirc psad uses snort rules
12:52<dli>fxiny, bastille sets psad for me, so I find it's easy
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12:53<fxiny>Metalqga: ciao comes from the venetian dialect , it means "sciao vostro" , "your slave" where "sciao" is "slave"
12:54<fxiny>dli: i use snort + bleeding edge rules
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12:55<Metalqga>and btw lenny is so stable, so far
12:55<fxiny>dli: and i block/blacklist anything triggering snort alerts , i used psad with shorewall too
12:56<fxiny>dli: i'm not saying psad is bad
12:56<dli>fxiny, that makes sense. I found psad is often broken with conf files, so I would like to try a replacement
12:57<fxiny>dli: i don't like bastille , i follow debian guidelines about hardening a box
12:57<webtech_m33>here can i find that
12:57<webtech_m33>hardening a box?
12:57<dli>fxiny, yes, bastille is outdated, but it's kind of error proof to me
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12:59<fxiny>webtech_m33: yes , see official debian docs
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13:02<fxiny>dli: i fond something on my mail archive abourt psad : psad-2.0.8 has been released on the Sat, 28 Jul 2007 . i might have a look at it
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13:03<dli>fxiny, yes, I have 2.0.6 here
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13:04<fxiny>dli: is a mail from the author to a mlist . he said : new set of --gnuplot options , talk and slides on his site
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13:06<fxiny>webtech_m33: i forogt to add : "i'm sure you'll love 'em" :)
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13:14<Metalqga>lol bgat you were right
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13:25<webtech_m33>is shorewall hard to us.. i see it's confured with webmin
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13:26<fxiny>no need for webmin : docs are of the finest quality ...
13:28<fxiny>and it shows the power of bash
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13:30<fxiny>reading an iptables tutorial adds to the pleasure ...
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13:30<fxiny>what else ? :)
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13:32<bzed>iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING 1 -j DROP ?
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13:33<bzed>seems gaius just tried that :P
13:34<fxiny>but then came janus showing another side of it :)
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13:43<webtech_m33>anyone know where the SYN_RECV timeout setting is?
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13:52<dli>webtech_m33, iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,ACK,FIN,RST RST -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT
13:52<dli>webtech_m33, that's for 1 second limit
13:52<nubbun>What are the proper paths to give dselect for the etch DVD to use it as install medium?
13:53<nubbun>I think I got something wrong because installing packages failed.
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13:53<dli>nubbun, why use deselect? use synaptic, or aptitude
13:54<nubbun>dli are they command line?
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13:54<dli>nubbun, aptitude is cli
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13:55<nubbun>I think the answer is: because the last time I installed debian was about 10 years ago, and it was dselect only then. ;-)
13:55<dli>nubbun, oh, you mean to install from dvd, try apt-cdrom
13:55<nubbun>thanks, if is in base, it should be installed.
13:56<dli>nubbun, sorry, I thought you were installing packages to watch dvd
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14:01<ciol>my answer to Wouter:
14:01<ciol>what do you think?
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14:05<tycale>How copy a directory with Konsole ? cp works only for file :s
14:06<dli>tycale, cp -a
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14:06<dli>tycale, or, cp -R , depends
14:06<tycale>a works :)
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14:08<marko>i installed a new kernel, and now my usb hdd takes like 5-10 minutes to mount, any ideas what i might have been doing wrong?
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14:11<tycale>I've got a problem with my apache/php server , look -->
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14:13<fxiny>tycale: LV something is a pass ?
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14:14<fxiny>whata a geek :P
14:14<tycale>LV ? I speak a little bit english :p
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14:14<tycale>okay :p
14:14<fxiny>it is ?
14:14<fxiny>super geek !
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14:14<dli>tycale, php is not running? install libapache2-mod-php5
14:14<tycale>It's for fun ;o
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14:15<fxiny>ok ok : fun saves all the queens ;)
14:15<fxiny>and the php regime ....
14:15<tycale>Not found Oo
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14:17<tycale>Have to lunch
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14:20<cui>hope he change that LV asap, i just loged in
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14:22<fxiny>cui: oh , i'll tell him again
14:22<cui>easy,... no harm done
14:22<fxiny>tycale: ehi : close the door !
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14:25<fxiny>amazing :P
14:26<tycale>Back !
14:26<fxiny>quick quick
14:27<tycale>Yes :p
14:27<tycale>Then, What I have to do ?
14:27<cui>reformat & reinstall
14:28<tycale>You can do that on your computer if you want :-° It's not my problem.
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14:28<tycale>LV ?
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14:31<Samika>Can iget some help over network install?
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14:32<dli>!tell Samika about anyone
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14:33<tycale>Bouhahaha :(
14:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:34<tycale>I've got a problem with my apache/php server , look -->
14:34<Samika>I have a problem with network install flyppy images , when i try to rawrite networkdrivers 1.img or something like that, it says me he cant read the iamge file
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14:38<dli>Samika, is floppy the only way?
14:39<Samika>you eman tehre a problem wiht floppy images?
14:39<Samika>mean theres*
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14:40<cui>try fdimage, maybe rawrite doesn't support img formats, maybe...
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14:42<Samika>ok i'll try it
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14:42<Samika>i use win
14:42<Samika>cant use linux stuff
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14:43<tycale>Can you help me for my php/apache server ? Problem with php files !
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14:43<dli>tycale, I mentioned the php module, relevant?
14:44<tycale>sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 ?
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14:44<tiCo>libapache2-mod-php5 afaik or something like that
14:44<tiCo>what about reading documentation? :)
14:44<dli>tycale, yes, I said so
14:44<tycale>0 paquets mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 87 non mis à jour.
14:44<tycale>It's say : Nothing to do.
14:44<dli>tycale, already installed? try to restart apache2
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14:46<tycale>I try it with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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14:46<dli>tycale, check /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
14:47<tycale>LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
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14:48<tycale>and I've this file too
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14:48<frank>available is nice, but enabled is what counts ;) a2enmod php5
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14:50<tycale>frank: What do you want I do ?
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14:52<[gloom]>tycale: frank is telling you to run: a2enmod php5 to enable php5 module in apache2
14:52<frank>i didn't get the beginning of your discussion, just read, something about /etc/apache2/mods-available.., just wanna say that only mods which are linked in mods-enabled are loaded, if php5 is not linked in mods-enabled type 'a2enmod php5'
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14:52<tycale>Tycalinux:~# a2enmod php5
14:52<tycale>This module is already enabled!
14:53<dli>tycale, yes, it should be so by debconf :( puzzling
14:54<dli>tycale, are you sure you don't have apache v1 installed? I made the mistake once
14:54<dli>tycale, check apache2 logs
14:54<tycale>Yes, apache1 is installed too :s
14:54<cui>tycale: is 'phptest.php' is what should be shown when i entered your site?
14:55<tycale>no :p
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14:55<dli>cui, it's a "Hello World"
14:56<tycale>dead now :s
14:56<dli>tycale, for debugging, remove apache 1, stop apache2, "nmap localhost" to make sure they are stopped, and start apace2
14:56<tycale>i libapache2-mod-php5
14:56<tycale>i apache2
14:57<cui>dli: yeah i mean if it is, then i think it should be placed in htdocs somethin
14:57<tycale>apache2 doesn't work :s
14:57<dli>tycale, I onced got apache1 running, and kept tweaking apache2 conf
14:57<dli>tycale, as I said, for debugging
14:58<tycale>"nmap localhost" = ?
14:58<dli>tycale, to make sure 80/tcp is not open
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14:58<tycale>I've to type it in console ? :s
14:59<tycale>bash: nmap: command not found
14:59<dli>tycale, install nmap first
14:59<frank>just use netstat
14:59<frank>e.g. netstat -tulpen
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14:59<tycale>25/tcp open smtp
15:00<tycale>111/tcp open rpcbind
15:00<tycale>113/tcp open auth
15:00<tycale>631/tcp open ipp
15:00<tycale>902/tcp open iss-realsecure-sensor
15:00<tycale>3306/tcp open mysql
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15:00<dli>!tell tycale about paste
15:00<tycale>yeah, i know sorry
15:00<dli>tycale, start apache2
15:01<tycale>/etc/init.d/apache2 start
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15:01<tycale>Do nothing
15:01<dli>tycale, only root can do that?
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15:02<tycale>Try in root, the same.
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15:02<dli>tycale, sounds like I was correct, you kept tweaking apache2, while using apache1
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15:03<Requiem>debian is hard to install?
15:03<dli>tycale, check logs to find out why apache2 doesn't start
15:03<tycale>Where is this log ? :s
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15:03<dli>tycale, /var/log/
15:03<dli>tycale, /var/log/apache2/
15:03<Requiem>also: klamav in lenny is completely and utterly broken
15:03<tycale>Tycalinux:/home/tycale# cd /etc/init.d/apache
15:03<tycale>apache apache2
15:04<tycale>Oo, I remove it !?!
15:04<dli>tycale, no need, just fix apache2
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15:05<tycale>error.log is empty
15:05<tycale>access.log, the same
15:05<dli>tycale, one n00b way would be: " aptitude --purge remove apache2; aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 "
15:05<dli>tycale, by default, it should work
15:06<tycale>I do that and it's doesn't work !
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15:07<dli>tycale, you did purge?
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15:12<cobra>Gute Nacht alle miteinander
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15:29<Samika>btw i found the solution to my problem it was because rawrite didnt support non 8.3 dos names
15:29<Samika>thanx to dli
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15:30<dli>Samika, nice to know :)
15:30<Samika>see you
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15:46<Hostile>I'm having samba trouble, if I put my smb.conf on pastebin can someone take a look?
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15:48<witte>Hostile: put it there and at least someone will have a look
15:48<witte>Hostile: no answers are guaranteed
15:49<Hostile> - my smb.conf
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15:51<brislingf>hi there, how can i debug my apache server, i have a httpd (no pid file) not running failed error
15:51<the-dude>brislingf, check logfiles , turn logging on?
15:51<witte>Hostile: I am no samba expert, but what is the problem, so we can at least help search in the correct direction
15:52<Hostile>witte: when I try to browse on my other computers I see no shares, I can browse the home directory if I type it in manually, but for /multimedia it says share not found
15:52<brislingf>they aint saying much :( can i switch them to advanced level ?
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15:53<witte>Hostile: can you try to use smbclient to access the samba server?
15:54<witte>Hostile: or are the clients windows machines?
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15:54<Hostile>hmm how do I use smbclient?
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15:55<witte>I believe smbclient -Uuser -Wworkgroup -L servername
15:55<gabbar>hi everyone
15:55<gabbar>i need some help
15:55<gabbar>can somebody help me here
15:55<witte>!tell gabbar about ask
15:56<gabbar>i just installed ubuntu 5.04 for the first time
15:56<gabbar>after uninstalling windows
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15:56<witte>gabbar: this is not #ubuntu you might get better help there
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15:56<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on - See also <based on debian caveats>.
15:57<gabbar>thank u
15:57<mikegrb>also, ubuntu 5.04 is pretty old I think?
15:57<Hostile>newest is 7.04
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15:57<gabbar>yeah thats right
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15:57<gabbar>thanks anyway
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16:01<brislingf>is it possible to get apache to through each vhost files ?
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16:04<brislingf>my error.log says Unable to open logs :(
16:06<brislingf>anyone got any suggestions :)
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16:08<padski>there is no "annually" option in logrotate ? :-(
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16:09<KoRnfeld>currently my debian stable uses OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
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16:09<padski>KoRnfeld, is that good ?
16:09<KoRnfeld>there are some security flaws in this version!
16:10<padski>KoRnfeld, this would be security flaws that are generally known about ?
16:11<KoRnfeld> tells: OpenSSL 0.9.8d is now available, including security fixes
16:11<tcsetattr>look into /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz see if the fixes are in there
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16:12<padski>or see
16:12<KoRnfeld>they can't be, because in 05 Sep 2006, these flaws were not fixed -_-
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16:13<tcsetattr>"05 Sep 2006" is not the date of the Debian package
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16:13<padski>KoRnfeld, security fixes do get backported, so you may find that holes that were fixed upstream in version d are fixed in debian in version c
16:13<tcsetattr>I'm gonna tell you again, look at /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz
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16:14<padski>KoRnfeld, for example, I have debian openssl 0.9.8c-4
16:15<KoRnfeld>okay, so i actually have a newer version than 0.9.8c ?
16:15<padski>KoRnfeld, changelog notes fixes for half a dozen CVEs
16:16<KoRnfeld>tcsetattr, sry, the server is currently down, but i will read it tomorow. thanks
16:16<Hostile>ahhh samba makes me want to scream
16:16<tcsetattr>although I will say that the current stable debian package does predate 0.9.8e which has "important" bug fixes
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16:17<padski>KoRnfeld, if you stay up to date with the security feed, then look that url I gave you, you can see oustanding issues there.
16:17<KoRnfeld>okay, thank you padski, i will
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16:18<padski>apparently etch is vulnerable to CVE-2007-3108
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16:19<padski>there is a patch upstream.
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16:20<padski>nvd lists it as severity low, attack range local.
16:20<KoRnfeld>okay, thank you everyone
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16:22<padski>KoRnfeld, apparently the package with the fix in should transition from sid to lenny today
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16:22<brislingf>found the problem..
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16:23[~]piozzo hola
16:23<dondelelcaro>piozzo: yeah, it's #438142 et al.
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16:24<KoRnfeld>padski, nice ^^ that's how i call a reliable os
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16:27<brislingf>anyone tried the proftpd and mysql on debian section at
16:27<padski>brislingf, nope. any good ?
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16:27<brislingf>well ive got a little problem, i can login with my ftp client but i cant upload :(
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16:28<padski>brislingf, what do you want ftp for ?
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16:28<KoRnfeld>brislingf, you have an error message?
16:28<brislingf>got a little webserver for some friends and tried to minimize my time on support :)
16:28<brislingf>and they all got windows boxes
16:28<padski>brislingf, tell em to use winscp
16:29<padski>brislingf :-)
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16:29<padski>brislingf, but KoRnfeld is right. what error ?
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16:31<padski>Once, at a place I worked, I went to see the company comms specialist. ftp was the only way to get files anywhere in the company (except for one old tape machine).
16:31<brislingf>well i dont get any error.. thats my problem.. its just disconnect when it tries to upload:(
16:31<padski>brislingf, what client are you using ?
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16:33<padski>new one on me. did ya try the stock debian command-line ftp on the loopback ?
16:34<padski>brislingf, :-)
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16:35<padski>I only came in for whinge about logrotate ;-)
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16:36<brislingf>hmm trying the winscp :)
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16:39<padski>brislingf, don't get me wrong. I'm very fond of ftp, and it is still very useful, and certainly something to have handy, but it has weaknesses: overly complex (features from another age), poor NAT traversal and consequently an SSL version lost at sea, and hence passwords in plaintext. for the application you describe, I would use scp.
16:40<brislingf>is it easy to administrate?
16:40<padski>scp ?
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16:40<witte>brislingf: there are windows clients where you have two windows where you can drag from one screen to an other
16:40<padski>brislingf, depends what you are doing. take a look at scponly if you want chroots.
16:41<witte>brislingf: and you can give them an account without access as padski says
16:41<Hostile>how do I set in my fstab so it mounts my samba mount automatically as my user not as root?
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16:42<padski>witte, I've yet to come up with a really satisfactory way of managing the small number of binaries in the chroot, but I don't think it really matters much :-)
16:42<[gloom]>Hostile: uid=username as option does not the wok?
16:43<Hostile>let me try that
16:43<Hostile>[gloom]: works thanks
16:43<brislingf>lets say that i want the to upload their files to their website without much interferring from my side.. it would be lovely
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16:44<witte>padski: that true :-)
16:44<padski>brislingf, that is the usual admin preference, yes.
16:44<witte>brislingf: you can consider something php-alike or a wiki :-)
16:45<seanius>there's a number of cms solutions out there, but most of them either suck or are super complicated, or both
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16:45<padski>brislingf, the main overhead is account setup, and that is pretty cookie cutter.
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16:48<Hostile>can I set samba so when remote users write files it puts specific permissions on them?
16:48<padski>brislingf, are you talking about stuff like wiki/cms. you're just virtual hosting for your friends, yeah ?
16:48<brislingf>nope most of them are stupid-codewriters
16:48<brislingf>but aint into servers, just the coding..
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16:48<padski>brislingf, what is this "stupid-code" we hear so much about ? ;-)
16:48<witte>Hostile: have a look at acl
16:49<brislingf>a more appropriate word would be newbie php coders from public school
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16:49<seanius>Hostile: as well as "create mask" i think
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16:49<padski>I take it you are in the US and not referring to the web development craze that recently swept Eton ?
16:50<brislingf>so it would be nice to give them some play ground
16:50<brislingf>nope europe
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16:50<padski>brislingf, yeah, so scp is great. I dunno whether debian has some web interface that would give you ssh key upload like you get on sourceforge ?
16:50<witte>brislingf: I would give them an account where they can play, but with limits
16:51<witte>brislingf: only limited to their ~/public_html
16:51<[gloom]>Stupid-code: Rule 5: Data dominates. If you have chosen the right data structures and organized things well, the algorithms will almost always be self-evident. Data structures, not algorithms, are central to programming.. Rule 5 is often shortened to "write stupid code that uses smart data".
16:52<padski>[gloom], thank you, that was most enlightening :-)
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16:52<[gloom]>Rule 5 on the Pike Rules. For mor info:
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16:54<brislingf>well thinks that it is nice that the young people are exploring the opportunities of bits and baud ;)
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16:54<padski>[gloom], yeah. KISS.
16:54<[gloom]>great truth!
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16:59<padski>do I care about having lsb on my box ?
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16:59<brislingf>so where are you all located on this planet ?
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17:00<brislingf>Denmark :)
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17:00<Waddledee>Washington state.
17:01<padski>can I safely do just the libc from etch r1 or do I need the kernel for the ABI bump at the same time ?
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17:02<padski>gobjc 4.2 is in experimental and still no armel packages :-(
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17:06<brislingf>hmm a nice mix:)
17:08<brislingf>time to go.. cya
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17:08<[gloom]>see ya
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17:43<padski>how can I tell if a package is abandonned upstream ?
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17:45<LightKnight>For example, no home page or home page abandoned since long
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17:45<padski>LightKnight: I'm kinda hoping that the answer is already codified
17:45<Requiem>okay, some urls working, but still trying to look in my home directory for
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17:46<padski>take for example logrotate
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17:48<roger>alguien me puede dar una mano con beryl?
17:48<padski>which by the looks of things is a redhat package, and thus presumably still maintained upstream if it has not been replaced there.
17:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:49<padski>roger: I don't speak spanish, but I followed something like
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17:50<padski>try /join #foo
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17:51<Pabellon>I have this document that's in chinese, it displays correctly under X, but when I copy & paste to the console all the characters look like squares, what do I need to do so I can see them correctly?
17:51<azeem>Pabellon: use a utf-8 enabled console with utf-8 console fonts, I guess
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17:51<padski>Pabellon: do you happen to know if its in utf8 ?
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17:52<Pabellon>padski, yes it is
17:53<Pabellon>azeem, I am using xterm (Unicode)
17:53<padski>Pabellon: that utf8 console that azeem mentioned sounds good :-)
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17:59<padski>number 216 in an infinite sequence of humourless comments: from logrotate actually ...
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18:00<padski>"/* FIXME: only days=1 is implemented!! */"
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18:00<padski>do we think they will take a patch ?
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18:08<Pabellon>seems I just needed to use uxterm, thanks
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18:12<padski>witam ?
18:12<greg>i have a question my totem player doesn't open swf files
18:12<greg>what should i do?
18:13<lupine>install gnash ?
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18:18<Zaka>hello, lenny is the latest version of pakages? or some other more newest?
18:18<[gloom]>Zaka: multilingual?
18:19<Zaka>sip :D
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18:19<Zaka>coz no one answer there:P
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18:19<lupine>Zaka: unstable (sid) and experimental have later versions of various packages
18:20<[gloom]>Zaka: i answered on the other channel:D
18:21<Zaka>lupine thanx, from where can i download it? dont work now
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18:22<greg>how i can install gnash?
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18:23<greg>i wrote tar - zxvf gnash-0.8.0.tar.gz
18:23<greg>and when i want to do make.. i cant
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18:26<mankod>gnash - free Flash movie player
18:26<mankod>apt-get install gnash
18:27<mercury80>greg, did you do ./configure first?
18:27<mercury80>if it needs it
18:27<mercury80>I don't know, never installed it
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18:27<mercury80>but if you're compiling, that's probably necessary
18:27<greg>bash: /configure: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu
18:28<greg>in english there is no file
18:28<mercury80>that's dot slash configure, correct?
18:28<mercury80>ok, what's the error make throws?
18:28<greg>when i put dot it's the same
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18:29<mercury80>or at least, if you could paste the tail of the output
18:29<greg>when i wrote make the message was
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18:29<greg>there is no object and cant find makefile
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18:30<mercury80>you got the tarball from the gnu site, correct?
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18:30<mercury80>(I'll download and give compiling a go, running etch)
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18:33<greg>eh i am going to find better way.. install from .deb file
18:33<mercury80>hmmm, I think you have a bad tarball or something
18:33<mercury80>./configure works for me
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18:33<Pabellon>hi again
18:33<greg>gnash.deb need libc6
18:34<mercury80> download and extract that one
18:34<Pabellon>actually it was the font size I was using (non-standard)
18:34<mercury80>then cd into the directory and run ./configure again
18:34<greg>and lib6 conflict with tzdata
18:35<mercury80>which distro are you running? (etch, sid?)
18:35<mercury80>if the deb you're trying to install is for a different distro, it's probably not going to work ;)
18:36<mercury80>are you trying to install the deb from unstable?
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18:36<mercury80>because that would account for the libc6 error
18:36<greg>so what i should do?
18:36<mercury80> try that one
18:36<azeem>either install the stable gnash, or backport the unstable gnash to stable
18:37<mercury80>didn't know there was a stable gnash?
18:37<greg>i dont know
18:37<azeem>then it would be option #2
18:37<azeem>there isn't, it seems
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18:37<mercury80>seriously ;) use the link I just posted, extract it, cd in, and run ./configure
18:38<mercury80>dunno where you got your tarball the first time, but configure definitely works
18:38<azeem>if you have the correct development tools
18:38<mercury80>it was giving him a "file not found" error before
18:38<azeem>also greg wrote "/configure" before
18:38<azeem>not "./configure"
18:39<mercury80>that might cause it ;)
18:39<mercury80>hmm, gnash isn't even in backports :(
18:39<mercury80>greg, if you don't want to compile, you could just install macromedia's plugin
18:40<mercury80>it's a bit unstable, but it's a lot easier to install
18:40<greg>ye but macromedia doesnt opening swf files on my disk
18:40<mercury80>well if you have the plugin installed, point your web browser at the file
18:40<mercury80>and it will open in the browser just fine
18:41<mercury80>you could even set swf files to open with firefox or whatever you use
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18:42<mercury80>if you have nonfree enabled (you can do it in synaptic), you can install flash 9 from apt
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18:44<azeem>I don't think flash is in non-free
18:45<ranix>mercury80: that's not funny, my best friend died that way
18:45<azeem>hrm, there's still flashplugin-nonfree it seems
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18:45<mercury80>using apt to install flash? lol
18:45<dondelelcaro>azeem: technically you're correct; that's just the installer.
18:46<mercury80>it still installs the plugin though, so problem solved
18:46<mercury80>hmmm I need to clean up my sources list...
18:46<mercury80>I have at least 3 different flash plugins coming up
18:47<azeem>dondelelcaro: yeah, but I thought those installers disappeared for etch as well
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18:51<dondelelcaro>azeem: ah; yeah, dunno if they actually made it into the release
18:51<dondelelcaro>looks like it made it
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18:55<chealer>azeem: they did, but there's the question of what to do now that Adobe stopped distributing Etch's version. it may be removed in r2.
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18:55<chealer>s/they did/they made it/
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18:57[~]piozzo notte a tutti ^^
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18:59<stiv2k>how can i configure something i want to run when my laptop resumes from suspend/hibernate
18:59<stiv2k>i want it to /etc/init.d/networking restart
18:59<stiv2k>because i always have to do that to get it to work again
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19:02<chealer>mercury80: stable's flashplugin-nonfree is broken
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19:06<stiv2k>how can i configure something i want to run when my laptop resumes from suspend/hibernate
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19:06<stiv2k>but yeah... how
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19:28<padski>I've decided to watch a movie. what is good package to install ?
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19:29<dondelelcaro>padski: xine or mplayer will work
19:29<chealer>padski: a video player adapted to your X session type?
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19:30<stoned>mplayer is an excellent suggesstion
19:30<padski>dondelelcaro: thanks, ISTR having more sucess with xine in the past.
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19:30<padski>chealer: X session type ?
19:30<stoned>padski: /msg dpkg w32codecs /msg dpkg dmm
19:30<chealer>padski: do you use a desktop environment?
19:30<stoned>padski: for dvds install libdvdcss2
19:31<padski>chealer: kde on ibook g4
19:31<chealer>padski: I recommend kaffeine
19:31<stoned>padski: hmm thats what my co worker has
19:31<knix>That's what my coffee cup has
19:31<knix>er, nm
19:31<mercury80>vlc is pretty nice
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19:32<padski>(might amuse) E: Invalid operation kaffeine
19:32<mercury80>you may want to add the debian-multimedia repository
19:32<mercury80>it has things like libdvdcss2 etc
19:32<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat)
19:33<mercury80>idk, add that repo, then try out all of the video players
19:33<mercury80>easy enough to find in synaptic
19:34<mercury80>honestly you won't notice much of a difference between xine/mplayer/vlc, just pick the client that you like best and the engine be damned
19:38<padski>thanx guys. I have MOVIES !!! :-)
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19:46<Aleric>It's impossible to get firefox to work on 64bit :/
19:46<Aleric>Half of the plugins don't exist.
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19:47<dondelelcaro>plugins? who needs plugins?
19:47<Aleric>And when you try to run it in a 32bit chroot, nothing works because firefox starts a lot of other applications that then need to run in the 64bit environment to work.
19:47[~]dondelelcaro still doesn't have any plugins installed
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19:49<Aleric>My 32bit install now complains about a non-existing plugin, for a page that works fine when run from the 64bit firefox ?!
19:49<TaidanOfficer>Hello everybody
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19:50<TaidanOfficer>I have an IBM r51e with an Atheros built-in pci wireless card; updated debian lenny does not put a wlan0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces
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19:53<Aleric>It says "Unknown Plugin (application/x-mplayer2)"
19:53<Aleric>Any idea what I should install then?
19:54<Stumbles>hi, I'm trying to add a partition to a degraded raid-1 array using mdadm. I use "mdamd /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1" but the partition gets marked as "spare" rather than "active" and the rebuilt.
19:54<Stumbles>sorry, not rebuilt
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19:54<TaidanOfficer>aleric: you are trying to view a page with a movie?
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19:55<TaidanOfficer>aleric: you don't have mplayer installed, hence you can't see the movie
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19:55<Aleric>I have mplayer installed in the 64bit environment :/
19:55<Aleric>That's what I mean... I need to install everything double.
19:56<TaidanOfficer>aleric, I don't have experience with the 64bit and 32bit running together
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19:56<TaidanOfficer>aleric, I suggest installing mozilla-mplayer -a package that should resolve your problems
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19:59<Aleric>TaidanOfficer: Great, that works! :)
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20:00<Stumbles>regarding my raid problem, took a punt with "mdadm /dev/md0 --grow -n2" which worked :)
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20:06<bluemagicxp>how do i get newest packages list for synaptic?
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20:06<chealer>bluemagicxp: click "Reload"
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20:07<bluemagicxp>i don't see it
20:08<bluemagicxp>i seen
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20:09<bluemagicxp>what software do i read *.chm?
20:10<bluemagicxp>my english is bad.
20:10<lupine>MS windows help file
20:10<lupine>compiled html
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20:10<TaidanOfficer>aleric, did you solve your problem?
20:10<TaidanOfficer>aleric, maybe you don't have necessary codecs install
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20:11<lupine>bluemagicxp: check out archmarge
20:11<lupine>erm, archmage
20:11<lupine>archmage - CHM(Compiled HTML) Decompressor
20:11<Aleric>Well, it works. It's just that it seems to be more to stutter than in the 64bit environment.
20:11<lupine>sounds like if you use that, you end up with a bunch of normal HTML files
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20:14<Raina>can someone help me before I scream, pull all my hair out and curse about Etch and it's completely screwed up kernel modules?
20:14<TaidanOfficer>we'll try
20:14<dondelelcaro>Raina: best to just ask
20:15<TaidanOfficer>people may take offence
20:15<Raina>ok.. new etch install.. just completed today
20:15<Raina>about 30 minutes ago in fact
20:15<Raina>and I'm trying to setup a firewall and NAT
20:15<Raina>for connection sharing
20:16<Raina>and no matter how much I try
20:16<Raina>I keep getting errors loading modules
20:17<Raina> modprobe iptable_mangle, for example, gives me FATAL: Module iptable_mangle not found.
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20:18<dondelelcaro>Raina: which kernel are you running?
20:19<Raina>litterally just finished an install
20:19<Raina>did and apt-get update
20:19<Raina>and apt-get upgrade at first login
20:19<Raina>cos I've had exactly the same issue before
20:20<Raina>which is why I was reinstalling.
20:20<dondelelcaro>Raina: ok, and if you run depmod -a; and modprobe iptable_mangle;?
20:20<bluemagicxp>how do i create deb package?
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20:20<dondelelcaro>!nm guide
20:20<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful:
20:20<Raina>that returns no error
20:20<lupine>Art? Black Arte, more like ;)
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20:20<dondelelcaro>Raina: including the modprobe?
20:20<bluemagicxp>thank ;-)
20:21<dondelelcaro>Raina: well, there you go.
20:21<dondelelcaro>not sure why depmod didn't get run, but it's been run now
20:21<Raina>wish it were that simple
20:21<Raina>but I've done depmod -a before
20:21<Raina>and had similar results
20:22<Raina>then a little while later, I'll do it again, or reboot
20:22<Raina>and have the same issue
20:22<dondelelcaro>Raina: What does uname -a; output? what does dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.18-486|grep ipt; output?
20:22<Raina>Linux po 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed May 9 22:23:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
20:22<Raina>that's uname -a
20:23<dondelelcaro>Raina: for the latter, use a paste site.
20:23<Raina>the latter command
20:23<Raina>tells me it's not installed
20:23<TaidanOfficer>lupine, that Black Arte was elegant
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20:24<stiv2k>do i need a plugin for iceweasel
20:24<stiv2k>for jre
20:24<lupine>TaidanOfficer: everything I do is elegant :p .oOo.
20:24<dondelelcaro>Raina: it'd be kg -L linux-image-2.6.18-4-486|grep ipt; rather.
20:24<TaidanOfficer>lupine, I don't doubt it
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20:26<stiv2k>what do i have to do to run a command or script when my computer resumes from resume / hibernate
20:26<Raina>now.. interesting thing. After I loaded that first iptable_mangle, I tried loading iptable_nat with modprobe
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20:26<Raina>had the same issue
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20:26<Raina>until I ran depmod -a again
20:26<Raina>then it loaded without error
20:26<lupine>stiv2k: it's do-able, but, um, I forget how
20:26<TaidanOfficer>I have a question about wireless network interfaces: Lenny didn't generate an entry for my PCI wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces even though lspci sees it! Any ideas?
20:26<stiv2k>lupine: i need to do /etc/init.d/networking restart
20:27<stiv2k>lupine: because i have to do it to get back online after resume...every time
20:27<stiv2k>dunno why
20:27<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: depends on what type of machine
20:27<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: is there a driver for it ?
20:27<lupine>well, there's /etc/apm/resume.d
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20:27<lupine>assuming you're using APM ;)
20:27<stiv2k>dondelelcaro: there isnt a universal directory or something to put scripts in
20:28<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: not really, though most things try to obey the apm directories
20:28<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - yes, a native one, although I never installed it under Debian (Ubuntu recognized it, don't start flaming)
20:28<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: which driver is it ?
20:28<stiv2k>dondelelcaro: which are those?
20:28<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - I don't know, but I'll find ount in a minute
20:28<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: lupine gave it; /etc/apm/resume.d
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20:29<greg>ok is there anyone programming in C++?
20:29<dondelelcaro>Raina: are you running on a read only filesystem or something?
20:29<lupine>greg: I do a bit
20:29<greg>becouse i have small problem
20:29<lupine>though ##c++ on Freenode might be better for you
20:29<dondelelcaro>Raina: or does /boot not mounted or not contain
20:29<greg>I need to use String selector i switch.. and i only know that i must use if construction but i dont know how
20:29<stiv2k>lupine: dondelelcaro: k, now will it run them with admin priviledges
20:30<stiv2k>cause its an init script i need to execute
20:30<lupine>stiv2k: should do
20:30<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, madwifi seems to be the on
20:30<lupine>if not, find out what user it does run as, and add a sudo rukle
20:30<Raina> /boot is on the same partition as the rest of the file system
20:30<dondelelcaro>TaidanOfficer: you just need to add non-free and contrib to your sources.list, aptitude install module-assistant; then m-a a-i madwifi;
20:30<Raina>and it contains
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20:30<stiv2k>how could i do that
20:31<lupine>worry about it if you need to
20:31<abrotman>!tell TaidanOfficer about madwifi install
20:31<greg>Lupine can you show me how doing IF constructions when i have STRING Selector in switch?
20:31<lupine>you still don't know if apm is the tool you need
20:31<lupine>greg: I've not played with string selectors, sorry
20:31<stiv2k>lupine: gotcha
20:31<bluemagicxp>i can learn C where ?
20:31<dondelelcaro>see #c
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20:32<dondelelcaro>here or on FN
20:32<lupine>local library
20:32<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, appreciate it
20:32<stiv2k>lupine: do i have to create a script or edit one of the ones already in there
20:32<[gloom]>greg: i think in c++ the switch selector doesn'e work for strings
20:32<lupine>stiv2k: create a new one, following the naming convention of the already-present ones
20:32<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, I'm going to look for a free version if possible
20:33<stiv2k>lupine: i dont get the naming convention.l.
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20:33<stiv2k>20alsa 80ifplugd linux-wlan-ng-resume
20:33<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: that is the driver for your card
20:33<lupine>stiv2k: nn<appname>, where nn is two numbers ...
20:33<dondelelcaro>Raina: and /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/ exists and is writable and has modules.dep beneath it?
20:33<lupine>don't forget to chmod a+x it
20:33<bluemagicxp>how do i update drivers?
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20:33<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, you're telling me to quit looking?
20:33<lupine>bluemagicxp: don't try to "learn C" without a book on the subject. Really.
20:33<Raina>dondelelcaro: yes to both questions
20:34<stiv2k>lupine: any two numbers?
20:34<lupine>bluemagicxp: by updating the kernel. it's not worth the hassle.
20:34<lupine>stiv2k: the numbers denote the order they're run in
20:34<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: like it or not .. yes :)
20:34<lupine>(e.g. 00 will be run before 01)
20:34<stiv2k>what is ifplugd
20:34<lupine>interface plug daemon
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20:35<lupine>probably notices when you (un)plug any hardware
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20:35<stiv2k>one thing that bothered me is
20:35<chealer>bluemagicxp: depends on the kind of driver.
20:35<stiv2k>when i run networking restart
20:35<stiv2k>or when the computer boots up
20:35<stiv2k>it runs dhclient eth0 even though nothing is plugged into it
20:35<lupine>yep: "A configuration daemon for ethernet devices"
20:35<stiv2k>shouldnt ifplugd take care of that
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20:36<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - madwifi it is
20:36<TaidanOfficer>Personal Ad: I'm running Elightenment E17 on top of Debian Lenny! You should try it!
20:36<lupine>stiv2k: it looks like it doesn't suppress the normal activity of ifupdown
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20:37<lupine>which is probably a good thing
20:37<Raina>dondelelcaro: I think I've found the problem
20:37<stiv2k>lupine: what does that mean
20:37<lupine>it means that it only adds new events; it does remove any
20:37<lupine>doesn't* remove any
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20:37<stiv2k>so how can i get it to not waste time trying to lease an IP when nothings plugged in
20:37<stiv2k>cause its annoying :/
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20:38<lupine>you could totally hack ifupdown
20:38<lupine>it wouldn't be worth the hassle
20:38<stiv2k>also, in the apm/resume.d/ script, do i just put '/etc/init.d/networking restart' in the script
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20:38<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: you could just have it use a map that defaulted to a reasonable zeroconf address when nothing is plugged in
20:38<lupine>yep, and a shebang
20:38<stiv2k>on the same line?
20:38<stiv2k>or before
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20:39<lupine># denotes a comment...
20:39<lupine>so if you stick it on the same line, you command won't get executed
20:39<stiv2k>and i need to chmod +x right
20:40<stiv2k>here goes
20:40<stiv2k>it worked
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20:40<stiv2k>and i didnt even lose my ssh session
20:41<stiv2k>what log would that be logged in
20:41<stiv2k>so i can comfirm the script ran
20:41<lupine>the output would go to stdout by default, I guess, so lost
20:42<lupine>you could redirect it somewhere if you really need it
20:42<stiv2k> > /somepath/somefil ?
20:42<stiv2k>after the command
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20:43<lupine>yep, or you could syslog it
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20:44<stiv2k>it didnt work
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20:44<lupine>as in, the script didn't get run?
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20:45<stiv2k>lupine: yes
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20:45<lupine>well, maybe you're not using apm then
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20:46<stiv2k>the odd thing is the networking did come back after i resumed
20:46<lupine>installing acpi-support gets you /etc/acpi/resume.d ...
20:46<stiv2k>but its NEVER done that before
20:46<lupine>well, maybe it is working then
20:46<stiv2k>but it didn't create a log file
20:46<lupine>either way, I must sleep
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20:48<bluemagicxp>how many MB of RAM for using GNOME and KDE?
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20:53<bluemagicxp>IRC for windows?
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20:54<bluemagicxp>Here is linux
20:55<Profetas_Do_PHP>jote #debian-br
20:55<bluemagicxp>where do i can downloads 3D for linux?
20:55<Profetas_Do_PHP>aqui so tem galera q fala ingles
20:55<bluemagicxp>3D support for display driver of linux
20:55<jdave>how do I get kernel source from apt-get? I tried searching for kernel-source but I dont see anything
20:56<[gloom]>jote: pregunta en #debian-es
20:57<jote>alguien habla espa;ol
20:57<[gloom]>jote: #debian-es
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20:59<jdave>how do I get kernel source from apt-get? I tried searching for kernel-source but I dont see anything
20:59<chealer>jdave: linux-source
20:59<[gloom]>jdave: linux-source maybe?
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21:00<jdave>thanks, didn't it use to be just kernel-source? any clue why they changed it?
21:01<gsimmons>jdave: To allow for the (future) use of non-Linux kernels within a Debian system.
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21:10<simonrvn_>future? present. hurd and bsd are present...
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21:20<Zaka>hello, how can configure my sources.list plz? any command to see a list of aviables choises?
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21:21<gsimmons>!tell Zaka -about sources.list
21:21<Xenguy>Zaka: has a list of mirrors AFAIK
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21:22<Zaka>thanx, i v installed the netinstal, so i can take any mirror?
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21:23<gsimmons>Zaka: You can use 'apt-spy' or 'netselect-apt' to generate an optimized list (based on bandwidth tests), if necessary.
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21:24<Zaka>thanx :)
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21:26<Atomo64>anyone knows how to fix this? echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo " \"2.6.21-a64\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
21:26<Atomo64>(the -a64 prefix was added by myself when calling make-kpkg)
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21:33<stiv2k>how come my USB stops working when i come out of suspend
21:33<stiv2k>its so annoying
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21:43<stiv2k>lupine: ping
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21:49<Syekiya><AMSG on ALL SERVERS> I'm off to bedies! See ya tomorrowz!!
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21:54<jdave>hi, I installed firefox from how do I get flashplayer-nonfree to work with it?
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21:56<jdave>hi, I installed firefox from how do I get flashplayer-nonfree to work with it?
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21:58<Xenguy>jdave: hi
21:58<Xenguy>jdave: typing with 1 hand
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21:59<Xenguy>jdave: did you apt-get firefox?
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21:59<Xenguy>jdave: i.e. install a (deb) package
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22:00<jdave>no, I installed firefox from directly in /home
22:00<jdave>flashplugin-nonfree will only work with the deb firefox
22:00<mikegrb>then you are on your own for getting flashplayer-nonfree to work ;)
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22:00<Xenguy>jdave: with debian, it's much better to use the package system
22:01<Xenguy>jdave: that's what you should do
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22:04<Xenguy>you're quite welcome :p
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22:07<damentz>hey everyone, i have a question
22:07<damentz>what is libc6-i686 for exactly?
22:07<damentz>or do
22:08<manphiz>an i686 optimized version of glibc
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22:09<damentz>manphiz: ok, its not in the 64bit repos right?
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22:10<manphiz>damentz, yep, seems i386 special
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22:10<manphiz>64bit has libc6-i386
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22:24<cobra>work is calling, laterz
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22:47<klys_>what's the best way to kill zombies?
22:48<dpkg>A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
22:48<EricB>shotgun blast to the chest
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22:48<klys_>perhaps I just have to wait for them to exit
22:48<klys_>then, would setpgid() work?
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22:50<zhaoyi>account add
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22:51<zhaoyi>register hello1234
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22:51<klys_>you want /msg nickserv ?
22:51<zhaoyi>account add yahoo zhao_yi707 319317204620
22:52<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
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22:52<dpkg>somebody said nickserv was the nickname registration bot for Freenode. /msg nickserv help for more details.
22:52<ricky>Uh-oh- that should be freenode/staff, not staff.freenode.
22:52<zhaoyi>account on
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22:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:53<klys_>lookgin for bitlbee? /connect localhost
22:53<EricB>klys_ what are they children to?
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22:53<klys_>ericb: I think I just have to kill ./main
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22:53<gregarth>hi im using 2.6.21 and am having a lot of trouble installing nvidia drivers, im a linux noob
22:53[~]iblicf spap pascla
22:54<EricB>klys_ if that's the parent process
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22:54<klys_>ericb: I don't see why they are zombies yet
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22:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:54<gregarth>i tried that haha
22:54<gregarth>ah, well, how would i run that script?
22:55<klys_>ls /usr/src/linux*
22:55<EricB>klys_ because they exited and the parent process hasn't cleaned up
22:55<klys_>zhaoyi: apt-get install bitlbee
22:55<gregarth>how would i run a script called,
22:55<klys_>don't expect the process to be stable
22:55<EricB>gregarth try .
22:56<EricB>or chmod +x script_name; ./script_name
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22:56<klys_>ericb: how to clean up?
22:56<EricB>klys_ you have to kill the process that forked those children
22:56<klys_>ericb: that would be the parent process
22:57<EricB>zombie processes are processes that were forked off another process then exited
22:57<klys_>this doesn't seem right
22:57<klys_>maybe I need setpid?
22:57<EricB>is this a program you are working on or something else?
22:58<klys_>./main is made from it's simple; yes I wrote it
22:58<EricB>your has fork() calls?
22:58<gregarth>ericb, the first option gave me some error in the checksums
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22:58<EricB>gregarth what did the second option give you?
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22:59<EricB>klys_ fork tells a process to copy itself
22:59<bum>pls help me
22:59<klys_>ericb: I don't want any copying
22:59<EricB>one copy becomes the parent the other becomes the child
22:59<EricB>what do you want?
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22:59<gregarth>ericb, it asks me to be root, but i am alreasy in root
23:00<bum>i'm install ubuntu server 7 and problem
23:00<klys_>I want there not to be zombified exiting
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23:00<gregarth>let me try once more
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23:00<EricB>klys_ the zombified exiting is a result of you calling vfork and the process copying itself
23:00<klys_>vfork doesn't copy the parent process
23:00<EricB>what does it do?
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23:00<gregarth>ericb: i try to run it with root privelages, and then it says that i am not root
23:00<klys_>fork is just as good
23:01<EricB>klys_ fork clones processes
23:01<bum>how can find driver for SiI0680a ? for install ubuntu server 7
23:01<klys_>I mean functionally it works just as well
23:01<EricB>let me finish my explanation
23:01<EricB>when you clone a process one is a parent and one is a child right?
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23:01<klys_>I thing execl might call out
23:01<EricB>gregarth *shrug*
23:02<gregarth>am i accessing root correctly?
23:02<EricB>exec replaces the current process with another one
23:02<gregarth>su. then password?
23:02<EricB>fork makes two concurrently running processes
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23:03<klys_>ok, it has success, is there anything left to explain? you've said what a zombie is. my thought was I need to make no parent
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23:03<EricB>when you have a parent and a child and the child exits is becomes a zombie until the parent cleans it up
23:03<gregarth>sorry got exited
23:03<klys_>how to clean it up?
23:03<EricB>klys_ with wait() see man 2 wait
23:04<peterS>klys_: if you want to avoid zombies, signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN); in parent
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23:04<klys_>that just waits, I mean the parent is still running
23:04<EricB>gregarth what does whoami say?
23:04<klys_>thx peter
23:04<peterS>klys_: this means you cannot reap exit status from child processes, but in return it means you don't _need_ to do so, zombies are avoided entirely
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23:04<zerokill88>so i assume debian doesnt support ipw3945 sence my wireless isnt able to connect?
23:04<gregarth>ericb, whoami?
23:05<peterS>klys_: oh and obviously #include <signal.h>
23:05<gregarth>ericb, i am in root, then enter the command, and then it says that i need root privelages, error
23:05<zerokill88>is there a package i can download to install ipw3945???
23:05<klys_>peter: all done now
23:05<peterS>you understand why it does what it does?
23:05<EricB>gregarth it always works for me :) What does lsmod | grep nvidia return?
23:06<EricB>peterS hah, it just took me 10 minutes to explain fork :)
23:06<gregarth>just brings me to the next line
23:06<peterS>EricB: I thought he said he's using vfork, though
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23:06<EricB>he was then he said fork was just as good
23:06<klys_>peters: yeah because there's a pending signal being listened for from a nonexistant process
23:06<EricB>so I explained fork :)
23:06<stiv2k>how come sidux almost ALWAYS hangs when i'm shutting down / rebooting at the step "Saving the system clock"
23:07<stiv2k>debian sid*
23:07<peterS>klys_: well, the point is that when a child dies, it sends a SIGCHLD to the parent, so the parent knows to check the exit status and thus zap the zombie. therefore, telling the kernel to set SIGCHILD to SIG_IGN, basically saying "I don't ever want to see this signal", has the special meaning of "I don't want to know about child processes dying", so the kernel doesn't bother to create zombies from them
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23:08<klys_>peter: just for the sake of the topic, do you know where in the kernel the code is that creates the zombies?
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23:09<peterS>klys_: pretty sure in kernel/exit.c
23:09<gregarth>ericb, woohoo, a newer version seems to be working
23:09<klys_>k cool thx man
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23:09<EricB>gregarth excellent
23:09<gregarth>how can i exit x and still continue the install?
23:09<peterS>(ha ... "Copyright (C) 1991, 1992 Linus Torvalds")
23:09<EricB>you can init 3 and restart the install :)
23:09<klys_>gregarth: ctrl+lalt+F1
23:09<gregarth>take care, be back soon hopefully
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23:18<blarson>zerokill88: Yes, in nonfree. At least in sid. You need firmware, device driver, and daemon pacakges.
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23:27<Requiem>what's the kernel version for unstable?
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23:30<klys_>requiem: same as for etch, unstable has no installer
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23:32<Requiem>I mean post isntall
23:33<Requiem>or is it way back in .18 still?
23:33<klys_>post etch installer even after upgrading you still have your kernel
23:33<klys_>you should compile one, you'd learn a lot
23:33<klys_>it's easy
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23:34<Requiem>which explains why etch and sid share kernel patches and lenny doesn't have available
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23:34<Requiem>I'm working on a compile now
23:34<Requiem>need a .22 for full support for my hardware
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23:36<piper>Requiem: in sidux right now we are using kernel-
23:36<bic>i need a little help, newbie here, i just installed Devede through Synaptic, and i cant seem to figure out how to start it, no menu item was created, and there seems to be no executable in the running etch
23:38<simonrvn>bic: dpkg -L packagename; tells you what's in it. just look for bin/ ;)
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23:43<julian>can someone please talk to me
23:43<bic>simonrvn, thanks, all it returned was devede, which i took to be the executable, i ran that from terminal and it started, how would i create a shortcut to that ?
23:45<simonrvn>did you see a .desktop file in there? if so, running update-menus as a user should bring it up. (might need to restart your window manager)
23:46<simonrvn>julian: feeling lonely?
23:46<julian>yes i am
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23:47<julian>can someone help me with my computer?
23:47<julian>iv got problems
23:47<julian>big problems
23:47<simonrvn>well, i'm feeling bad, i go take a walk, go look at the stars or the sky, trees, and such. changes channels
23:47<simonrvn>well tell us in here then
23:48<julian>is there any technintions in here?
23:48<julian>i need some help
23:48<simonrvn>jsut ask the question
23:49<julian>i need to know how to install spash screens on my debian system but its all complacated so i know how to update things but i dont know how to install things
23:50<bic>simonrvn, there was no .desktop file, i did run the update-menus, how would i restart the window manager without shutting down and re-starting ? im using gnome
23:50<simonrvn>there's a site that covers that
23:50<julian>how do i install splash screens?
23:50<metalqga>julian and this is a problem?
23:50<simonrvn>bic: oh it should update automatically then
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23:51<julian>well iv got more problems
23:51<dpkg>i heard bootsplash is && (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot
23:51<simonrvn>julian: ^^^
23:51<julian>one of the spash screens arnt installed that well. its on there but its not leting me choose it
23:52<bic>simonrvn, it didnt seem to, as a sidebar, how do you restart the window manager without shutting down/restarting ? i havent quite figured that out yet
23:53<bic>without physically turning off the pc is what i mean
23:53<julian>you can do sudo /sbin/reboot
23:53<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
23:53<simonrvn>bic: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart; ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the x server
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23:54<bic>simonrvn, thanks for your help !
23:54<simonrvn>but, like i said gnome (and kde) update their emnus if there's a change
23:54<julian>just type sudo /sbin/halt
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23:55<metalqga>thanks for appreciating my help ;d
23:55<julian>can someone look into my system? i need someone to help me with my problems
23:55<metalqga>your only problem is that you don't know what a problem is
23:56<Strings>If you were to leave a process running on your server
23:56<julian>i knoe the problem
23:56<Strings>Would that require you to use screen?
23:56<julian>who are you talking to?
23:57<julian>dont worry il just do it the hard way around things
23:57<metalqga>i'm starting to love cli
23:57<julian>im going so cya :)
23:57<metalqga>a good cli browser anyone?
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