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00:04<bic>whats cli ?
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00:24<liorc>Hi. I have a problem removing the gnokii package (v 0.6.18-1) - it's post-removal script fails. How can I see the post-removal script in order to fix it? I tried to extract the deb to a directory (with 'deb -x gnokipackage.deb <dir>) but I didnt see any post-removal script there.
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00:27<chealer>liorc: /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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00:28<chealer>!tell bic about cli
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00:33<bic>chealer, thanks
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00:46<liorc>chealer: Thanks, managed to solve it by editing the script.
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00:57<randy026>can someone help me I have compiz installed but I have no window boarders... if I turn desktop effects off and disable them then I have no compiz
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01:11<theimrot>hello, why i cannot ping my notebook from my debian server? a ping from my windows notebook to my my debian server is funktioned
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01:21<eevee>if i want to have kde on debian, should i just dl the cd image of debian with precompiled kde or install the debian 'base' and install kde myself?
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01:34<WildOS>I need to use a old version of gcc and binutils to compile a program. To use the old gcc version is fine, but how do I select the old binutils?
01:35<WildOS>Arguments to the configure script?
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01:39<tcsetattr>maybe with the -B option to gcc?
01:40<tcsetattr>or since you're installing an old compiler anyway, tell it to use a different path when you configure it
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01:42<tcsetattr>then there's GCC_EXEC_PREFIX and COMPILER_PATH...
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01:52<nubbun>Hello. Where is the documentation to whatever programs are used to manage packages?
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01:57<tcsetattr>there are a lot of programs used to manage packages. can you be more specific?
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02:00<nubbun>tcsetattr , I have only the 'base' installed
02:00<nubbun>and I wish to select and install more packages from a DVD
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02:00<Eulex>use aptitude, or apt-cache and apt-get
02:00<nubbun>I also need to set up the DVD as the access point because I did the install as a net install
02:00<tcsetattr>run "apt-cdrom add"
02:00<Eulex>for that last one, use apt-cdrom
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02:04<nubbun>It seems to have accepted the DVD with "apt-cdrom add" . How do I select packages? I would especially like to start off with selecting a batch of packages like what was offered during the install (though it didn't work then because of networking trouble).
02:05<dondelelcaro>nubbun: that's tasksel, and if you run aptitude, you'll see the tasks listed at the bottom.
02:08<nubbun>thanks. I think I need to disable network as an install method. Is that in aptitude as well?
02:08<nubbun>I only have the first DVD. Will it let me select packages not on it and then fail because I don't have the whole set?
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02:10<dondelelcaro>nubbun: it'll only show you packages on the dvd, unless you've set up a network source.
02:10<WildOS>tcsetattr: will it work to just add the folder to my binutils at the beginning of PATH?
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02:11<nubbun>I installed from network, so isn't it already set up with a network source?
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02:13<ermo>does any one have any idea's how i can fix if my modprobe isnt working
02:13<ermo>i added my driver with ndiswrapper. Says wlan0 puttet to modprobe
02:14<ermo>i look in the config file and there is a ndiswrapper file
02:14<ermo>in it alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
02:14<ermo>but if i modprobe
02:14<ermo>modprobe ndiswrapper
02:15<ermo>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
02:15<ermo>any idea?
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02:15<ermo>iam using newest debian with kernel 2.6
02:15<ermo>linksys wireless card.
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02:18<christ0s>hello @ all
02:18<christ0s>any opinion how can I set up debian in IBM HS21 bladeserver?
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02:28<ermo>entuall: do you have any expierncie with ndiswrapper and modprobe?
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02:30<ermo>i got some wicked thing gooing on and i cant get it fixed :S
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02:31<entuall>ermo, with modprobe, yes, but ndiswrapper, no
02:31<ermo>what i did was this. Installed ndiswrapper, Loaded the inf file, /Loaded to modprobe with the option -m, then it says alias wlan0 ndiswrapper added to modprobe,
02:31<ermo>theni try to modprobe ndiswrapper.
02:31<ermo>and says
02:31<ermo>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
02:32<ermo>and in modprobe folder there is a ndiswrapper file, int he file says: alias wlan ndiswrapper
02:32<ermo>so nothing seems to be wrong but it cannot find the file.
02:32<ermo>mayb it is in the wrong folder?
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02:36<entuall>ermo, what have you in /etc/ndiswrapper ?
02:37<ermo>debian:/etc/ndiswrapper# dir
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02:38<ermo>this says ndiswrapper
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02:38<ermo>Installed ndis drivers:
02:38<ermo>lsbcmnds driver present, hardware presen
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02:39<ermo>and if i try it to save to modprobe it works. now i check it to try it to load/save it again
02:39<ermo>debian:/etc/ndiswrapper# ndiswrapper -m
02:39<ermo>modprobe config already contains alias directive
02:39<ermo>so it seems everything workes. But modprobe says there isnt any ndiswrapper O_o wicked
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02:41<new>is there a channel about glade ?
02:41<new>does anybody know it?
02:41<ermo>dunno m8 sorry
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02:42<entuall>ermo, I don't know, sorry
02:42<ermo>thx anyway entuall
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02:50<ermo>couldn't add module alias: at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 717.
02:50<ermo>thats the problem. Mayb i can find ^^
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02:55<ermo>wel the prob is i installed 2 ndiswrapper nowit conflicts. i need to unistall/remove ndiswrapper 1.9
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03:07<ermo>fixed the problem
03:07<ermo>now try to modprobe
03:07<ermo>it is in the lst
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03:07<ermo>but djust says fatel module abllalabalbbal
03:07<ermo>debian:/etc/modprobe.d# modprobe ndiswrapper
03:07<ermo>alsa-base blacklist libsane
03:07<ermo>alsa-base-blacklist bluez linux-sound-base_noOSS
03:07<ermo>arch/ display_class ndiswrapper
03:07<ermo>arch-aliases ibm_acpi.modprobe pnp-hotplug
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03:10<ermo>does any one here have a good working apt-get server list?
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03:14<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
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03:16<dpkg>it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport>
03:17<ermo>thx alot
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03:17<metalqga>mirror, mirror on the wall :D
03:18<ermo>metalqga: do you have any expiernce with modprobe?
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03:23<fgh>im about to setup a apacheserver on a p166mhz machine with 64mb of memory. is debian a good choice? if so, which version?
03:24<metalqga>any debian without X
03:24<ermo>how mutch hd you got?
03:24<Travis>does anyonw know about mepis?
03:24<metalqga>mepis is on a nother channel
03:24<fgh>something like 2.5g
03:25<ermo>try th net installer from debian. small and you can select what you want to install.
03:25<metalqga>you can choose what to install from any install medium
03:25<fgh>but i dont need to think about anything special becouse of the slow cpu and old system?
03:25<ermo>so dont instal X or gnome ;)
03:25<ermo>or kde
03:25<metalqga>install just basic system, and apt-get install apache
03:26<ermo>ye :D
03:26<metalqga>the best advice is: read
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03:30<WildOS>I need to set --host=something and --target=something for a configure script. Is it important that the target and host is specified correctly? How can I find the correct target and host, is there a list somewhere?
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03:31<jkohen>Hi. Does anyone know what application is displaying Message: drive (volume) = 0 all the time, causing .xsession-errors to "fill up?"
03:35<tcsetattr>WildOS, you can examine config.sub to see what it accepts.
03:35<tcsetattr>the names look like "i386-pc-linux-gnu" or so
03:36<dondelelcaro>jkohen: no, but it'll be something that your user is running. You can figure it out by using strace -e write -p foopid; on anything you suspect.
03:37<tcsetattr>how about fgrep -l '(volume) =' /usr/bin/*
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03:37<tcsetattr>the trick is figuring out which part is the fixed string
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03:38<jkohen>Well, I mean it's either drive or volume. I'll follow the fgrep suggestion, thanks.
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03:40<tcsetattr>then fgrep 'volume =' ... just pick the part of the string that never changes and isn't system-dependent and hopefully you find which binary contains it. add /usr/lib/*.so* in case it's in a library
03:40<jkohen>Nautilus... neat.
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03:41<WildOS>tcsetattr: I've been going with --target=i386-pc-mingw32 and --target=i386-debian-linux but I can't find any of them in the config.sub Will it still work?
03:43<tcsetattr>config.sub is a complicated script. run "./config.sub i386-pc-mingw32" and see if it complains
03:43<tcsetattr>(configure calls config.sub so I think it would complain too if they were invalid)
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03:47<WildOS>tcsetattr: and if it doesn't complain I can be sure that it is correct?
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03:47<tcsetattr>it should echo back at you the canonical form of the system you specified
03:47<WildOS>the configure script doesn't complain...
03:48[~]INT_80h stretches in his new confines
03:48<tcsetattr>for example "./config.sub i386" gives back "i386-pc-none", filling in the omitted parts with generic info
03:48<INT_80h>anyone familiar with a cdrom working in windows, not working in deb?
03:48<INT_80h>returns 'kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device'
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03:50<WildOS>tcsetattr: it seems to be working. Thanks =)
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03:53<tcsetattr>how old is this compiler you'r making?
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03:58<tycale>Yesterday, dli help me on my linux, he updates my computer on lenny. I'm happy, but I can't reinstall my NVIDIA Driver. The error is strange : "you don't have kernel-source or something like that". What Have I to do to have this kernel source. I think NVIDIA want to compile something and it need the source of my kernel but i don't know how obtain it. Can you help me ? :)
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03:59<jkohen>"apt-get install kernel-source" ?
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04:00<tycale>I don't try it, i don't know why . I try :)
04:00<tycale>Can't find
04:01<dli>!tell tycale about nvidia
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04:02<tycale>Please note that it does not work with kernel 2.6.21. Please see [WWW] for solutions.
04:02<tycale>uname --all
04:02<tycale>Linux Tycalinux 2.6.21-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 10 21:39:38 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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04:04<tycale>It's not for amd64 =/
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04:05<tycale>But i'm going to try it
04:05<dli>tycale, you may also try vanilla kernel from
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04:14<suiside>tycale: 'apt-get install linux-source'
04:14<tycale>ok :)
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04:15<metalqga>why do you want 64bit cpu?
04:15<metalqga>it's just pain in the - for now
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04:16<suiside>hmm, it might have had a version specification at the end of the name, check or use apt-cache to search
04:16<tycale>Yes, but now, my debian is 64 and i don't want to dl the 32.
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04:17<suiside>*, cheese, I need some coffee
04:17<tycale>Going to try
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04:21<tycale>Ok, Thanks you It's working :)
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04:30<sheldonh>how do i define ip aliases in on an interface on debian etch? the debian reference's section on networking doesn't refer to aliases (other than /etc/aliases, for mail), and the interfaces(5) manpage doesn't contain the word alias
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04:36<tcsetattr>sheldonh, you can just add an extra stanza in /etc/interfaces
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04:37<tcsetattr>/etc/network/interfaces I mean
04:37<tcsetattr>iface eth0:0 ...
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04:39<sheldonh>tcsetattr: ah. back to the old school :)
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04:39<sheldonh>tcsetattr: here's hoping the netconf project takes off
04:39<sheldonh>tcsetattr: there's not much i miss about gentoo, but its network configuration syntax is one thing
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04:43<tcsetattr>you asked about aliases... that's what an alias is.
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04:45<dorileo>hi! how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to generate the .deb dsc and other files in a specific dir?
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04:46<seanius>dorileo: you can't
04:46<seanius>without creating a subdirectory of that dir and building there anyway
04:47<seanius>or building and then mv the results
04:47<dorileo>seanius, explain me better "creating a subdirectory of that dir"
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04:48<seanius>if you want stuff in /foo, you could put the source in foo/bar and "cd /foo/bar; dpkg-buildpackage"
04:50<dorileo>seanius, hum thats what I use to do
04:52<sheldonh>tcsetattr: will i get something more elegant out of you if i ask about "additional ip addresses" instead? :)
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04:57<patxi>Hi all,
04:57<tcsetattr>depends if you think "I dunno" is elegant. (I'm not sure if it's possible to represent "ip addr add" in /etc/network/interfaces - other than as a post-up command of course)
04:58<tcsetattr>post-up would definitely not be elegant
04:58<sheldonh>tcsetattr: yeah, ip can only be driven from if-* scripts. that's what's exciting about the netconf project
04:59<tcsetattr>it takes a special kind of person to get "excited" about a new way configuring IP addresses.
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05:01<wycked>hi all, I've a little trouble with my fstab's entry for a FAT32 partition. My FAT partition is no R/W for a simple user :(
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05:03<mqduck> hey... can anyone tell me how to change the default debconf question priority setting thingie?
05:03<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure debconf
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05:49<schoppenhauer>hello. i am running debian lenny with kernel 2.6.22, because this is the first kernel not to permanently crash when using the nvidia-driver. i know it is unstable but most things work, and i am only using the unstable kernel and some things needet for this kernel, nothing else from unstable. my problem now is that ndiswrapper doesnt work with this kernel anymore though i recompiled it with module-assistant. i have a bcm43xx-chip, and i ...
05:49<schoppenhauer>... would now want to test the native linux driver. but i cannot find any useful working howto. most howtos are just about bcm43xx-fwcutter which they say is needed for the ndis-driver, but i never needed bcm43xx-fwcutter when using the ndis-driver. i dont need bcm43xx-fwcutter, i need the bcm43xx-module to use my wlan-card, and simply cannot get it work and cannot find any howto to do so. can somebody help me please?
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05:52<nitalaut>Hello guys, i've several configs included in my mrtg.cfg. When any of switches described in that configs stop responding my mrtg stops to. Is there any way to bypass switches that didn't respond and continue working ?
05:52<Berge>schoppenhauer: If you want to use the free driver, bcm43xx, you probably need fwcutter.
05:52<nitalaut>it just says that " Target did not eval into defined data" and stops
05:53<Berge>schoppenhauer: fwcutter grabs the firmware for the card from the Windowsdriver. The firmware is not free, and is not distributed with Linux.
05:53<schoppenhauer>Berge: yes, i know, but... i dont find any howto how to install the native bcm43xx-driver anyway. there is - except bcm43xx-fwcutter - no package containing "bcm43xx".
05:53<Berge>schoppenhauer: There's no installation as such.
05:54<Berge>schoppenhauer: Just modprobe the driver.
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05:54<schoppenhauer>Berge: after installing bcm43xx-fwcutter?
05:54<Berge>schoppenhauer: But you do need to have the firmware "cutted" away.
05:54<Berge>schoppenhauer: You need to cut the firware out first, which you do with fwcutter.
05:54<schoppenhauer>Berge: is it enough to just install bcm43xx-fwcutter or do i really need to copy something?
05:55<schoppenhauer>Berge: like most howtos say
05:55<Berge>schoppenhauer: You do need to do something as well, yes.
05:55<Berge>schoppenhauer: You need to find the files to cut the firmware from, and then run fwcutter on those files.
05:55<Berge>I can't remember the details, though.
05:56<schoppenhauer>Berge: ok. thank you. i will then try. i was just a little confused because i didnt see how to install the bcm43xx-module
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05:59<Berge>schoppenhauer: ah
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06:00<ermo>can any one help me? my screen position is not align. its ojn laptop
06:00<ermo>debian. 4.0l ech
06:00<metalqga>the resolution isnt right
06:01<ermo>nope the reso is good
06:01<metalqga>how big is the screen 15"?
06:01<Berge>schoppenhauer: probably has more info.
06:01<ermo>1024x786 is normal. But its a little bit more to the right
06:01<metalqga>change the refresh rate
06:01<metalqga>make it 60hz
06:02<ermo>ok gone try
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06:07<gsimmons>schoppenhauer: The driver itself (bcm43xx) is included with the kernel since 2.6.17-rc2. You'd just require firmware to be placed in /lib/firmware for its use.
06:10<ermo>nope i can only put it on 60hz and no other.
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06:12<ermo>screen position isnt right
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06:16<dli>ermo, it's normal to use 60Hz only for LCD. what's your video card?
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06:17<ermo>ye its normal. i used it on windows. and knoppix.
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06:24<ermo>Vendor Trident CyberBlade
06:25<ermo>screen size 14inch
06:25<ermo>i think its on 15"
06:25<ermo>but no idea where i can change that O-o
06:26<ermo>i got the right sync specs and refresh
06:26<ermo>but no idea where or how i can change htem
06:27<lupine_>or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:32<Zacariaz>yo, my touchpad is not sencetive enough, under windows it works very well. Is there setting or simular i can adjust?
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06:34<Zacariaz>damn heres dead
06:35<dli>Zacariaz, you can set sensibility in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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06:37<ermo>some one tpyte a solution to my answer. Can you repeat it please
06:37<ermo>connection got lost
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06:38<Kebianizao>I'd like to know if I need to do anything special to see lithuanian chars on my system
06:38<Kebianizao>mainly on Xwindows
06:38<schoppenhauer>gsimmons: hm. what reason could it have that using ndiswrapper (which works meanwhile) works just fine while using the module bcm43xx with the firmware cutted from the same driver makes a device "wlan0" but i cannot scan and do anything else with that wlan-chip?
06:38<nitalaut>Hello guys, i've several configs included in my mrtg.cfg. When any of switches described in that configs stop responding my mrtg stops to. Is there any way to bypass switches that didn't respond and continue working ?
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06:42<Zacariaz>yo, my touchpad is not sensitive enough, under windows it works very well. Is there some settings i can adjust?
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06:42<gsimmons>schoppenhauer: What chip ID is reported for your device? (eg. "4306")
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06:43<menocchio>hi, i'm having debian installed on raid1, but at boot it says it can't mount /dev/md1 on /root ('no such device') and ends up in busybox. Can anybody help me?
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06:46<schoppenhauer>gsimmons: bcm94311mcg is what lspci sais. where can i determine it?
06:46<schoppenhauer>gsimmons: lspci -n ?
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06:47<schoppenhauer>gsimmons: according to lspci -n it is 4311
06:47<dli>menocchio, boot a livecd, try to assemble md1 first, maybe, it's broken
06:48<menocchio>dli: i can mount md1 in bysubox perfectly, all data seems fine
06:48<Zacariaz>where is xorg.conf to find?
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06:49<dli>menocchio, make /etc/mdadm.conf ?
06:49<dli>menocchio, you have root=/dev/md1 ?
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06:51<Zacariaz>anyone? i need to find xorg.conf
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06:51<menocchio>dli: mdadm.conf looks fine and root=/dev/md1 indeed - any other suggestion?
06:52<Kebianizao>Zacariaz: /etc/X11
06:52<ermo>gsimmom: i installed my linksys drivers. Its says wlan0 added and i did ndiswrapper -m. Then i try to modprobe ndiswrapper and says: FATAL: Module ndiswraper not found.
06:52<dli>menocchio, sounds weird to me, and you can simply mount /dev/md1 in busybox, without doing anything before?
06:52<Zacariaz>ty keb
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06:52<gsimmons>schoppenhauer: Ah, 4311. According to <>, your device should be supported, as you're using a 2.6.22 kernel. I'd check your syslog for 'bcm43xx' lines, to verify the radio is being enabled when using the device.
06:53<dli>menocchio, then, you should try kernel parameter: rootdelay=10 , to delay mounting root for 10 seconds (play with that)
06:53<menocchio>dli: yes, mounting all raid1 arrays in busybox is no problem, for some reason it just does not happen at boot time
06:54<fgh>wich file at boot handles the modprobe settings for my NE network card? dmesg tells me to spec io port..
06:54<gsimmons>ermo: Sorry, I don't use ndiswrapper. Did you build the ndiswrapper modules with module-assistant? (ask dpkg about 'ndiswrapper one-liner').
06:54<dli>Zacariaz, read the following howto: , you can play with MinSpeed, MaxSpeed, AccelFactor, etc.
06:55<dli>fgh, you can use modconf or /etc/modules
06:56<Kebianizao>fgh: /etc/modprobe.d/ there you could do something
06:56<menocchio>dli: rootdelay delays booting, hehe, but still md1 won't mount as /root
06:56<dli>menocchio, mount / or /root ?
06:56<Zacariaz>GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
06:56<Zacariaz>You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
06:56<menocchio>dli: /root
06:57<Zacariaz>i cant find SHMConfig in xorg.conf and can find XF86Config
06:57<dli>menocchio, as far as your / is mounted at boot, you use /etc/fstab for others
06:57<menocchio>dli: but fstab seems fine as well
06:58<fgh>dli /etc/modules was the thing i was looking for, thanks.
06:58<dli>menocchio, I don't remember seeing a /root partition anyway
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06:59<ermo>lias wlan0 ndiswrapper
06:59<dli>fgh, I still suggest you do modconf instead of /etc/modules
06:59<menocchio>it is after assembling all arrays and going for a normal boot - it says: 'mount: Mounting /dev/md1 on /root failed: No such device'
06:59<ermo>thats wat is says
06:59<ermo>nothing wrong
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06:59<dli>ermo, why it goes to busybox? /root partition?
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07:00<ermo>no i mean with my wlan0 config
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07:00<ermo>i mean ndiswrapper
07:00<menocchio>dli: it ends up in busybox
07:00<fgh>dli why not /etc/modules ?
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07:01<menocchio>dli: it also says that it can't mount /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev and /sys not on /root/sys and /proc not on /root/proc ??
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07:01<dli>menocchio, /root/dev is not a /root partition, it's /
07:02<dli>menocchio, your initrd is broken, anyway
07:02<menocchio>dli: i understand, but what should i do to fix that?
07:02<dli>menocchio, read installation manual for software raid first
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07:03<dli>menocchio, you kept telling me it's /root not /, that's why I got totally confused. as I said, I never saw a /root partition
07:03<menocchio>dli: oh, sorry
07:03<menocchio>dli: but how to fix initrd?
07:03<dli>fgh, up to use, but I feel comfortable with system tools
07:03<lupine_>it will become / after pivot_root is called
07:03<Zacariaz>GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
07:04<Zacariaz>You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
07:04<Zacariaz>i cant find SHMConfig in xorg.conf and can find XF86Config
07:04<Zacariaz>i cant find SHMConfig in xorg.conf and cant find XF86Config
07:04<dli>Zacariaz, read the howto:
07:04<seanius>Zacariaz: you gotta put it in your xorg.conf
07:04<menocchio>dli: how can i fix this initrd?
07:04<azeem>Zacariaz: if you can't find it, you'll need to add it
07:04<dli>menocchio, first, read debian installation manual
07:05<Zacariaz>but i have no idea what to write
07:05<dli>menocchio, second, I would go with custom kernel, so I don't need initrd at all
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07:05<azeem>Zacariaz: see whether there are any other true/false lines in xorg.conf
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07:05<azeem>dli: why would you go with custom kernel?
07:05<seanius>i think it's something like Option "SHMConfig" "true", but you should google it
07:06<menocchio>dli: but first i have to fix initrd i guess
07:06<dli>menocchio, I don't understand why the debian initrd could be broken by default either
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07:06<lupine_>even custom kernels need an initramfs, unless you're going to compile stuff into the kernel that doesn't really need to be in there
07:06<menocchio>dli: i have no idea to!?
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07:06<ranix>something retarded is happening in this channel right now
07:06<dli>menocchio, you can boot any livecd, and chroot to fix it
07:06<ranix>why would you want to get rid of initramfs
07:06<Zacariaz>azeem there arent, i did check the link from dli, and i think it had what i need
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07:07<Zacariaz>now the question is which section i should write the line in...
07:07<cobra>hi #debian
07:08<ermo>man O_o wicked
07:08<ermo>debian:/etc/modprobe.d# modprobe ndiswrapper
07:08<ermo>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. debian:/etc/modprobe.d# modprobe ndiswrapper
07:08<ermo>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
07:08<ermo>aw sorry 2x
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07:09<menocchio>dli: thanks!
07:09<menocchio>dli: i'll give it a try
07:09<lupine_>ermo: m-a a-i ndiswrapper ?
07:09<ermo>ndiswrapper is file is in /etc/modprobe.d
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07:09<lupine_>you'll also need ndiswrapper-common & ndiswrapper-utils-\*
07:09<lupine_>ermo: you're saying the .ko file is in /etc/modprobe.d ?
07:09<dli>menocchio, debian installation manual doesn't cover software raid?
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07:10<ermo>no its djust: ndiswrapper: and inside that file alias Wlan0 ndiswrapper
07:10<lupine_>wonderful. But what good is that if you don't have the kernel module installed?
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07:12<azeem>menocchio: did this happen right after installation, i.e. on first reboot, or later on?
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07:12<menocchio>azeem: no, after some month
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07:12<Zacariaz>ty seanius. do i have to restart for the changes to take effect?
07:12<azeem>ok, so the installation manual is totally irrelavent
07:13<menocchio>azeem: i guess so
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07:13<azeem>Zacariaz: restart X, or your X display manager
07:13<azeem>menocchio: did you upgrade the kernel or the system before?
07:13<Zacariaz>ofcourse, ty, cya
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07:14<menocchio>azeem: i think i updated the kernel some weeks ago (stupid me: i'm not sure), rebooted just last week - then it happened
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07:14<ermo>connection lost
07:14<ermo>can you please repeat what you told me
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07:14<menocchio>azeem: any idea?
07:14<ermo>m-a i-a ndiswrapper or smth
07:15<nubbun>Hello. For doing package installs, how do I add a copy of a debian DVD on disk as an install source? Is it documented somewhere?
07:15<gsimmons>!tell ermo -about ndiswrapper one-liner
07:15<ermo>nono some one told me the command
07:15<ermo>o ye
07:15<ermo>thx :D
07:15<dli>menocchio, what's in your /etc/kernel-img.conf ?
07:15<ermo>love you
07:15<ermo>stupit AC power XD
07:16<netspirit>Hi! Could someone tell me if the fact GNU Gettext is GPL licensed prohibits use of PHP gettext function in a commercial software please?
07:17<azeem>menocchio: I suggest you get your initrd reassembled - I don't know whether you can do that from busybox; otherwise, boot a LiveCD
07:17<lupine_>netspirit: is the PHP gettext function GPL-licensed?
07:17<azeem>menocchio: it might just be reconfiguring the linux-image package
07:17<menocchio>dli: do_symlinks = yes, relative_links = yes, do_bootloader=no, do_bootlfoppy=no, do_initrd=yes, link_in_boot=no, postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub, postrm_hook=/sbin/update-grub
07:17<lupine_>not that here's a particularly good place to ask for legal advice...
07:17<WildOS>could someone please direct me to a webpage describing dw2 and sjlj exceptions?
07:18<azeem>WildOS: google
07:18<nubbun>netspirit does it use the GNU gettext. If it does, the app can be sold, but must be distributed with the source and whoever has a copy can also distribute copies according to GPL.
07:18<menocchio>azeem: how can i reconfigure the linux-image package form a live cd?
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07:18<dli>menocchio, so I see do_initrd=yes
07:18<WildOS>azeem: what is default in etch?
07:18<WildOS>!tell dw2
07:18<menocchio>dli: that is right, i guess?
07:18<dli>menocchio, chroot
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07:19<nubbun>So a customer could buy a copy and then sell 1000 copies themselves or give it away. You might want to check whether it is GPL or LGPL. they are different.
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07:19<netspirit>OK, that's what I suspected :\ I still don't understant why gettext is not LGPL :(
07:20<azeem>WildOS: I have no idea what dw2 is, ask google
07:21<menocchio>dli: and next?
07:21<lupine_>because the implementor gets to choose the copyright
07:21<menocchio>dli: i never did that before, so...
07:21<WildOS>azeem: I've tried, but I can't find the info I need.. I guess I'll just have to try harder ;-) thanks anyway
07:21<lupine_>you could always write your own proprietary implementation
07:21<dli>menocchio, just several commands, chroot, then, just reinstall your linux-image
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07:22<nubbun>How do I add a directory on disk as an install source? Is it documented somewhere? Can I do it in Aptitude?
07:22[~]cobra is away: Ich bin beschäftigt
07:22<JasonS>!tell cobra about away
07:22<dli>!tell menocchio about chroot
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07:22<JasonS>yet again i might add
07:22<azeem>menocchio: update-initramfs is probably what you need, though I don't know the correct options to use
07:22<lupine_>nubbun: you can use the file:// URI IIRC
07:22<ermo>building ndiswrapper source. i gues i dint install ndiswrapper the right way ;)
07:22<menocchio>dli, azeem: i understand the chroot part, but how to reinstall linux-image
07:22<azeem>only if file:// URI is an APT repo
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07:23<azeem>menocchio: download the .deb from, dpkg -i *.deb
07:23<azeem>menocchio: or, try to reassemble the initramfs first
07:23<azeem>that might be easier
07:23<lupine>check dpkg-scanpackages
07:23<lupine>that'll crearte the required Packages.gz
07:24<nubbun>lupine_ i tried it and Its appearantly not quite correct how I did it.
07:24<menocchio>azeem: where to find more info on reassembling initramfs?
07:24<nubbun>dpkg-scanpackages is not here.
07:24<lupine>ever heard of apt-file ?
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07:24<lupine>it says: dpkg-dev: usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
07:24<nubbun>My line looks like: deb file:/mnt/debian/ etch main
07:24<nubbun>My line looks like: deb file://mnt/debian/ etch main
07:24<lupine>needs to be file:///mnt/debian/ etch main
07:25<dli>menocchio, I think you'd better reinstall linux-image, and verify it does initrd auto
07:25<lupine>3 forward-slashes
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07:25<lupine>and you need to have the correct directory structure in debian/
07:26<lupine>(the default being to have all packages in pool/* and the Packages.gz in dists/etch/main/binary-i386)
07:26<menocchio>dli: ok
07:26<menocchio>dli, azeem: thanks
07:26<nubbun>I still get message: Couldn't stat source package list file: etch/main Packages (/var/.../_mnt_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-sparc_Packages)
07:26<ermo>wel now i got ndiswrapper, ndiswrapper-1.1, and ndiswrapper-1.9
07:26<lupine>you can cut down on that somewhat by using './' as release and suite specifiers, so the path becomes 'dists/././binary-i386
07:27<lupine>wtf is ... ?
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07:28<nubbun>"..." is the fixed path under /var that I left out because it's not determined by data I provide
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07:28<azeem>pavel: please write in english
07:28<azeem>nubbun: why are you doing this?
07:28<lupine>so your Packages.gz etc isn't in the right place
07:28<lupine>You could always just use falcon
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07:29<pavel>I am Russian
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07:29<nubbun>Packages.gz is under dists/etch/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz
07:29<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:30<nubbun>lupine, I have no "falcon" program, that I see.
07:30<lupine>unsurprising. try google
07:30<nubbun>It's the same structure as the dvd
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07:31<pavel>А по русски кто нибудь из вас андестенед
07:31<dasdasd>I've been drifting along in the web for HOURS and i can't find the damn XEN patches for kernels above/equal 2.6.18! What is the hell is wrong with the people! Isn't there anybody left building kernels instead of downloading images??
07:31<nubbun>I only have the base-package, so it's hard to do much right now.
07:31<pavel>Do you speak Russian
07:31<lupine>pavel: わたふ?
07:32<lupine>nubbun: it depends: python. that's about it
07:32<lupine>*ooh*. It has an autobuilder as well now
07:32<lupine>that is considerable win.
07:33<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:33<azeem>pavel: ^^
07:33<pavel>You used Linux?
07:33<azeem>pavel: do you have a Debian question?
07:34<ermo>wow now i get tthis
07:34<ermo>adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper ...
07:34<ermo>couldn't add module alias: at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 717.
07:34<pavel>I have watch TV. from Tv-tunner
07:34<lupine>ermo: so your syntax is wrong.
07:34<deboch>which package can i use to make my webcam work under debian with the gaim ? yhanks !
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07:35<lupine>deboch: depends on the webcam. Probably gspca
07:35<lupine>that'll give you your webcam as a V4l device if it's supported
07:35<deboch>i'm using a usb webcam (SONY)
07:35<lupine>that means nuffink
07:36<pavel>azeem. ты по русски понимаешь?
07:36<menocchio>dli: while trying to reinstall linux-image it compains about 'install-info' not found on PATH and 'update-rc.d' not found on PATH
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07:36<lupine>get the usb:id and do a search to see if it's supported or not
07:36<azeem>pavel: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for writing non-english, please use #debian-russian on
07:37<dli>azeem, source /etc/profile
07:37<azeem>dli: huh?
07:37<dli>menocchio, source /etc/profile
07:37<dli>azeem, sorry, wrong nick
07:37<azeem>menocchio: use su - , not su
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07:38<deboch>the lspci doesn't show the cam
07:38<deboch>even if it is plugged
07:38<lupine>well, it won't. It's a *usb* device
07:38<lupine>lsusb is your friend
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07:38<ermo>command isnt wrong
07:38<deboch>ah yes
07:38<ermo>or argument
07:38<deboch>lsusb shows the sony cam
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07:39<deboch>but how can i view it ?
07:39<lupine>you need to install a kernel module that supports it. What's the usbid ? (xxxx:xxxx)
07:39<mathijs>I'm trying to set up a winxp/debian dualboot, so I made one FAT-partition (for winxp) and several ext3-partitions (for debian). I installed winxp, succesfull, and now I want to install debian, but the installer only can see one big 'unallocated' space, not the partitions I made
07:39<mathijs>what can be the problem?
07:39<menocchio>azeem: yes, that's it
07:40<deboch>mathijs : try to use fat32 in windows
07:40<menocchio>azeem: the su part, i mean...
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07:40<seanius>mathijs: i dont' know maybe it re-wrote the partition table?
07:41<menocchio>azeem, dli: but after reinstalling linux-image it still won't boot...
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07:41<mathijs>deboch: what do you mean? Windows is installed on a FAT32 partition..
07:41<azeem>menocchio: do you see it redo the initrd?
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07:41<deboch>ah i see
07:41<mathijs>seanius: any way to undo it?
07:41<dli>menocchio, did you see debconf doing update-initramfs?
07:41<azeem>menocchio: also, there's several linux-image packages, make sure you didn't resintall the (emtpy) meta-package
07:41<seanius>usually i install windows first (not bothering with fat32) and use ntfsresize later
07:42<azeem>menocchio: the right one should be "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" or simlar
07:42<menocchio>azeem: no, i think i installed the right package
07:42<lupine>ok. so I search '054c:0067 linux' in google, and get pretty much nothing of use
07:42<seanius>i think the latest installer may even do this for you (i think i remember someone mentioning this anyway)
07:42<deboch>lupine 054c:0067
07:42<lupine>looks like it's not supported
07:42<menocchio>dli: i did not think i see it doing that update-initramfs
07:42<deboch>oh !
07:42<deboch>ok lupine thanks for help !
07:43<dli>menocchio, redo it, and check. you'd better locate the problem, so it won't happen again
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07:44<dli>menocchio, to chroot with --login: chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash -l
07:44<dasdasd>Where are the most recent Xen patches??
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07:45<azeem>dasdasd: probably in upstream's repo/on their harddisks
07:46<menocchio>dli: it does call mkinitramfs, but it complains about mdadm:MD subsystem not being loaded - is that a problem?
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07:47<dli>menocchio, great, now we see something relevant
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07:48<azeem>menocchio: you're using a stock Debian kernel, right?
07:48<azeem>menocchio: what does "uname -r" say?
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07:49<azeem>or rather, what's the version of linux-image you're installing
07:49<menocchio>azeem: yes, no custom build or so
07:50<azeem>menocchio: well, what kernel are you runnign right now? Is this a liveCD, or the busybox rescue?
07:51<dasdasd>azeem: thats very enlighten. :)
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07:53<azeem>dasdasd: you're question is really vague
07:53<witte>Hello, how can I see that I have hyperthreading enabled?
07:54<dli>azeem, you did mount -obind /proc, right?
07:54<menocchio>azeem: the busybox
07:54<azeem>dli: dude, I don't have any issues
07:54<dli>menocchio, , you did mount -obind /proc, right?
07:54<witte>I am pretty sure that I have a processor that has it, but it does not show as two processors in /proc/cpu
07:54<dasdasd>I need the file : patch-for-the-kernel-2.6.18-or-above.patch . Plainly that. No addons, no bullshit
07:54<dasdasd>And it is Nowhere!
07:54<dli>azeem, sorry again
07:54<lupine>dasdasd: so complain to XenSource ?
07:55<witte>my kernel version is 2.6.21-2-686, and the /proc/cpuinfo is here:
07:55<azeem>2.6.18-or-above is very vague, again
07:55<dli>menocchio, I guess that's the reason for md complaint
07:55<azeem>Xen patches are monstrous, aren't they?
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07:55<lupine>giant things
07:56<menocchio>dli: no, i did not mount /proc
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07:56<dli>menocchio, try that, and reinstall kernel image
07:56<dasdasd>Sure i would! Problem is that i just don't have the time and took for granted that, if there were images for 2.6.18 in debian repositories, there was the source of a patch!
07:56<dli>menocchio, don't forget to mount /boot (if you have one) after chroot
07:57<lupine>so apt-get source it
07:57<lupine>you can then get the patch from debian/patches if it's there. probably.
07:57<menocchio>dli: ok, i'm trying, it complains about: "grep: /proc/moduels: no such file or directory
07:57<menocchio>dli: i mounted boot before chrooting, guess that's okee as well?
07:58<lupine>although lsmod gives more or less the same output
07:58<azeem>I guess that was a transcription error
07:58<lupine>if /proc is missing, then menocchio has more than minor problems ;)
07:58<dli>menocchio, no, mount /boot after chroot
07:58<menocchio>dli: ok
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07:58<dasdasd>I havent found the clean patch, solely.. and not added to anything else
07:58<dli>!tell menocchio about chroot
07:59<lupine>ah.... in a chroot? then mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc, etc
07:59<dasdasd>I need the code for auditing and reimplementation
07:59<menocchio>dli: but anyway /boot seems mounted fine...
07:59<azeem>menocchio's in the busybox rescue console
07:59<azeem>so there's no need to chroot, AFAICT?
07:59<lupine>dasdasd: ask the debian package maintainer where s/he got it from?
07:59<dli>menocchio, if you install kernel image, you need /boot
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07:59<lupine>preferably in a more polite manner than you've been asking here
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08:00<azeem>dli: maybe /boot isn't on a seperate partition?
08:00<lupine>of course, it's entirely possible that a later version simply doesn't exist
08:00<ranix>spoilers: / dies
08:00<lupine>oh noes!
08:00<menocchio>azeem: boot is on a seperate partition, i mounted it before chrooting and after that /boot looks fine...
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08:01<orochimaru>greetings, servent
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08:01<orochimaru>did you bring the supplies?
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08:01<azeem>menocchio: where did you chroot to anyway?
08:01<Guest1645>alguem, fala portugues
08:02<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:02<menocchio>chrooted to the point a mounted the root partition
08:02<dli>menocchio, clean it up, you may are doing boot the /boot partition and the /boot directory in / partition
08:02<Guest1645>vai se ferrar
08:02<azeem>Guest1645: this is an english channel
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08:03<dasdasd>I was in the team for a long time, several years ago. I can't believe what has been going on with the distros. Is all just about getting plugins for the latest K-tastroph window manager.
08:03<menocchio>dli: i don't know what you mean?
08:03<azeem>Guest1645: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for not writing in english, please go to #debian-br
08:03<dasdasd>Thanks. Have a great week.
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08:03<schoppenhauer>hm. ok. another problem with the new debian kernel. when shutting down i get an error message that the disk hasnt spun down correctly or so, and i am linked to but dont really get what to do. can anybody help me?
08:03<dli>menocchio, umount /boot partition before chroot, and mount /boot after chroot, it should be fine
08:03<casp>i need the report with support postgresql
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08:04<menocchio>dli: ok
08:04<dli>menocchio, don't forget /proc and /dev before chroot
08:05<ranix>there is a different jubumboo distribution for every window manager
08:05<ranix>and religion
08:05<ranix>it's getting retarded
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08:05<lupine>most of them are a couple of metapackages at most
08:06<menocchio>dli: i schould mount /proc and /dev before chrooting?
08:06<ranix>I mean hell, linux mint is an ubuntu distribution based on the color green
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08:06<ranix>how low can you go, this is the linux limbo
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08:07<dli>menocchio, read the instruction from dpkg
08:07<lupine>you're just bitter :p
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08:09<padski>ranix: but that is superb possible distro name, "limbo" ;-)
08:10<padski>ranix: any ideas for a gimmick ?
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08:11<ranix>padski: we don't need a gimmick, we can put a black guy on a webpage and say "togetherness" and we have a whole company already
08:11<seanius>it could be a distro for low-end hardware
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08:12<seanius>limbo: lowering the bar for system requirements
08:12<ranix>limbo: lowering the bar for linux distributions
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08:12<padski>seanius: its got to be hasn't it. embedded systems & togetherness ;-)
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08:13<ranix>we could just troll the users
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08:13<padski>the trick to getting to the top of distrowatch is to rebrand, does that count ? ;-)
08:13<ranix>stable could be debian woody
08:13<ranix>testing would be fedora
08:13<ranix>and unstable would be arch
08:13<ranix>charge $20 for cds
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08:14<padski>ranix: unstable should be slackware. cos you have to fix the bugs yourself :-)
08:14<ranix>padski: nah it should have no rhyme or reason
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08:15<ranix>it would be better to randomly change apt weekly
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08:16<ranix>dpkg gets upgraded to rpm
08:16<ranix>rpm gets updated to paster
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08:16<kzar>Supposing I want to send error emails to myself from my server how should I do it? I thought of installing exim4 and telling it to use smarthost and set the server as the IP I get from looking up the mx records of my email address? I guess thats a retarded wat to do it though mhm
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08:16<padski>I've always been bothered by rpm. minutes are not the base SI unit. we should change it to rps ;-)
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08:17<ranix>kzar: sendmail hm?
08:17<ranix>kzar: I do echo foo | sendmail ranix@
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08:18<azeem>ranix: please don't advertise sendmail
08:18<ranix>or echo foo | if port 25 outgoing isn't blocked
08:18<ranix>azeem: there's nothing wrong with sendmail
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08:18<kzar>I'm not going to use sendmail because I heard its easy to setup wrong / insecurely
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08:19<ranix>kzar: the sendmail command is subsumed by postfix/exim4
08:19<ranix>kzar: 'sendmail' invokes postfix/exim if you have one of those installed
08:19<azeem>ranix: you didn't talk about the sendmail command
08:20<ranix>azeem: the conversation inevitably goes there if the asker knows what he's doing
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08:20<azeem>ranix: you said "sendmail"
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08:20<ranix>azeem: and then I said "sendmail" invokes postfix/exim which keep sendmail script compatability
08:21<azeem>you said that after I asked you not to promote sendmail
08:21<azeem>to which you answered, "haha, I will"
08:21<kzar>ranix: Thats what I thought and why I picked exim4. I just need to send outgoing mails so if theres an error on the server I will be told about it. Is using smarthosts on Exim4 the right way to do it?
08:21<ranix>azeem: there's nothing wrong with sendmail
08:22<petemc>kzar: most often, yes
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08:22<azeem>ranix: there's something wrong with advertising it in an end-user channel, though
08:22<matthewpoer>I just did aptitude upgraded to the new -5 kernel in etch, and the configurator removed my custom kernel arguments from my grub menu.list (acpi=force). Is there a way to make dpkg/apt system take use these arguments when installing a new kernel?
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08:22<azeem>matthewpoer: add them to the correct line in menu.lst
08:22<ranix>kzar: you shouldn't need to do anything with a smarthost to send an email to a mailserver
08:23<azeem>matthewpoer: the correct line is the "# kopt" line, i.e. the commented-out one
08:23<petemc>ranix: thats not very good advice
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08:23<dms>hey all
08:24<matthewpoer>azeem, thank you, i never noticed that line
08:24<petemc>most people on residential connections should use their isps mailserver
08:24<dms>anyone knows what's happened to linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686? it doesnt seem to be on any of the mirrors :S
08:25<kzar>petemc: Well that is actually kinda why I am asking. (I probably didn't word it right) Normaly I would use my ISP's outgoing mailserver but this one is at work and there isn't an available server for it
08:25<azeem>dms: there's -5- now, no?
08:25<petemc>kzar: you could check to see if the ip is on any blacklists, google for rbl check
08:25<azeem>dms: you can still get -4- from
08:25<ranix>if you have outgoing access to port 25 and you can whitelist your own server, there is no reason to use a smarthost
08:26<dms>azeem: thanks for that. I need -4 because i'm compiling a driver to put on the install image. needs to be the same version as the installer
08:26<petemc>assuming you only want to send mails to your own server, sure
08:27<ranix>maybe I err in assuming businesses control their own email?
08:27<kzar>ranix: So set it as a proper internet mailserver, only accept emails coming from localhost I guess
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08:28<kzar>ranix: Yea its a bit complicated to explain. lets just say computers are easier to work with than the sysadmin
08:28<harpal>I am trying to do apt-get update bu after Get:5 unstable/main Packages [6403kB] it got stop
08:28<ranix>kzar: that is what I would do, and I would only revise that 'simple stupid' method if it was getting blocked/blacklisted or had a different evident problem
08:29<harpal>telling Failed to fetch Connection timed out
08:29<ranix>being the sysadmin is easier than talking to a sysadmin
08:29<ranix>I understand this
08:29<kzar>ranix: Yea :)
08:29<kzar>ranix: one day hehe
08:29<harpal>it takes packages upto 55% and than stop
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08:43<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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08:46<WildOS>I got the following error,, when compiling gcc 3.4. Am I missing a tool or something? (earlier I had to install bison to compile binutils..)
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08:47<WildOS>Any help is much appreciated.. I am totally lost :(
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08:48<azeem>WildOS: why are you compiling gcc-3.4?
08:49<WildOS>azeem: I needed to change it to able to use it for win32.. making a cross compiler windows -> debian
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08:50<WildOS>azeem: only a few minor chages, like removing collect2 etc...
08:50<azeem>did you install the Build-Depends-Indep?
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08:51<WildOS>mingw 5.2.1 supports gcc3.4...
08:51<WildOS>I'll install it
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08:51<WildOS>Do you think that could be it?
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08:55<dms>i'm trying to compile a driver but it says "Linux kernel source not configured - missing version.h. Stop.". I've installed the correct kernel-headers package. any ideas why it might be doing this?
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08:58<Strings>Anyone use rtorrent?
08:58<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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08:58<Strings>Getting a weird issue where it hash checks the files, but doesnt actually hash them all
08:59<Strings>Says 100%, but in reality its little under 50%
08:59<nubbun>Hello. How do I get debian to not do dhcp or complain that an ethernet link is down?
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09:00<mz_work>what are my options for replacing MS Exchange server for approx. 250 users? looking at Open Exchange but what else can provide the same functionality including calendaring?
09:00<nubbun>okay found /etc/network/interfaces
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09:01<al>Iemand ervaring met mythtv
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09:02<witte>al: english only in this channel
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09:02<witte>al: I don't know if there is a dutch channel on linux?
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09:02<metalqga>there should be, 100mln ppl
09:02<witte>metalqga: 23
09:03<metalqga>only 23mln?
09:03<witte>metalqga: 16.5 in the netherlands 6 in belgium
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09:04<witte>metalqga: and most of them know english ;-)
09:04<metalqga>ops i wrote ger, and kept thinking of germanyt
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09:06<witte>metalqga: Germans could be 100 miljon, don't know: 20 miljon in Germany, 80 miljon on vacation somewhere in the world probably :P
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09:07<metalqga>yeah :P
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09:11<metalqga>First Ubuntu, then skype now ... :The Wikimedia Foundation servers are currently experiencing technical difficulties.
09:12<WildOS>azeem: I can't find that package, Build-Depends-Indep.. does it have an alias?
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09:12<azeem>WildOS: it's not a package
09:13<WildOS>azeem: then what is it? I've tried google..
09:13<azeem>WildOS: are you building some Debian cross-compiled system?
09:13<WildOS>azeem: yes
09:13<kzar>after you edit /etc/aliases do you have to tell exim4 to refresh like you do with postfix?
09:13<WildOS>And I have no previous experience..
09:13<azeem>WildOS: if you don't know what it is, you probably have no business doing that then
09:13<azeem>WildOS: read the Debian policy manual
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09:18<Giacomo>how can I flush DNS cache?
09:18<Giacomo>in debian, obviously
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09:19<Giacomo>is there anybody?
09:19<witte>Giacomo: in the package pppconfig, there is a /etc/init.d/dns-clean command, but I do not really know what it does or that it is usefull for you :-)
09:20<witte>Giacomo: why do you need to flush the dns cache, or do you want to do that on a dns server?.
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09:20<Giacomo>no, it's not a dns server
09:20<Giacomo>I've got a wrong dns response
09:20<Giacomo>and I want to flush it without waiting for expiry
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09:21<Berge>Giacomo: Try using dig to query your DNS server, it'll bypass your system's gethostbyname() call (and thus any caching).
09:21<Berge>Giacomo: If you still get a wrong response, you'll have to wait for the TTL to time out.
09:22<Aleric>I have sun-java6-jre installed, but when I try to open a webpage that uses java, it isn't working and it tells me to install a plugin (that of course doesn't work, and I have to "manually" install it, that is, get it from etc)
09:22<Aleric>"Additional plugins are needed" thus.
09:22<Aleric>Why doesn't this work? I have java enabled in the browser, and the jre is installed. Do I need anything else?
09:22<witte>Aleric: did you install sun-java6-plugin?
09:23[~]Aleric wonders why this isn't done automatically :/
09:23<Aleric>I get a popup and then it fails :/
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09:23<Aleric>I didn't
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09:28<Aleric>witte: I installed it, and restarted the browser. It still doesn't work.
09:28<witte>Aleric: you are not on amd64?
09:29<witte>Aleric: is it a firefox/iceweasel browser?
09:29<Aleric>I am, but I started to run firefox in a 32bit chroot
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09:29<witte>Aleric: ok, i am not sure about the amd64 and 32bit chroot, that is not that easy
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09:29<Aleric>about:plugins doesn't say anything about java
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09:29<witte>Aleric: ok, that was my next question
09:29<Aleric>it shouldn't be any different from a normal 32bit setup
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09:30<djmachado>Aleric:i don't know if it is the case...but maybe you need to create a symlink
09:31<Aleric>dpkg -L sun-java6-plugin only shows directories
09:31<dpkg>ii sun-java6-plugin only shows directories 1.9-11 aleric's private gamp collection
09:31<nubbun>I've installed the packages for X Windows, but get error "No devices detected". My card is uses a permedia 2 chipset. Can it be made to work?
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09:32<witte>Aleric: you can do a "apt-file search libjavaplugin" to find the plugin
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09:33<Aleric>I have
09:33<Aleric>And the symlinks to it seem ok too
09:33<witte>Aleric: ok, can't help you further in that case...
09:33<witte>nubbun: is that a graphics problem you have?
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09:34<nubbun>Yes, when I run startx
09:35<seanius>Aleric: you might want to get some packages from debian-multimedia
09:35<mara>Hola,si hay alguien que hable español que contacte conmigo
09:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:38<witte>nubbun: try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
09:39<Aleric>I think I found it... I started firefox from the panel with a button - and that started the wrong firefox (probably doesn't have ~/bin in it's PATH)
09:39<Aleric>I replaced 'firefox' with /home/carlo/bin/firefox, and now java shows up in about:plugins
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09:43<hnefi>anyone here have a moment to help me get AIGLX up and running? Darn thing refuses to start.
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09:47<Zaka>hello, my kde is very slow, take 5min to open, can i know why?
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09:48<nubbun>zaka, check memory usage with the command: free
09:49<nubbun>how much RAM do you have?
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09:49<witte>nubbun: Zaka has left us
09:49<witte>he is no more ;-)
09:50<witte>nubbun: did the reconfigure work?
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09:50<dpkg>methinks ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.. Or install a -2.6-686-smp kernel
09:50<hnefi>the technognomes hate me.
09:50<dli>nubbun, I saw slow kde startup problem when localhost not configured
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09:51<witte>is this factoid out of date for new kernels?
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09:51<hnefi>anyone here have experience in getting AIGLX to run? Or getting compiz to run without AIGLX?
09:51<dli>hnefi, what video card?
09:51<hnefi>nVidia GF 6600
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09:53<nubbun>witte, still doing reconf
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09:53<witte>Is there anyone who checks the things that are in dpkg's mind? some things seem quite old
09:53<dpkg>i heard cpu is (Central Processing Unit) Think of this as the brains of the computer. When most people think of processors, they think of Intel. The Pentium and Pentium Pro are CPUs.
09:53<dli>hnefi, no you can not run aiglx on nvidia, read compiz howto for nvidia
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09:54<hnefi>I've tried, and followed the instructions, but compiz keeps freezing my desktop
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09:56<dli>hnefi, the debian howto seems to be unclear
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09:58<hnefi>thanks, I'll check that out right away.
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10:00<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ...
10:00<ranix>I would fix this, witte, if I knew how
10:00<ranix>this suggests the core 2 is not supported by amd64
10:01<azeem>witte: you can fix them yourself
10:01<ranix>actually it was written before the last generation of processors
10:01<azeem>dpkg's database is collaboratively maintained
10:01<seanius>how do you teach dpkg? i've been kinda wondering that too
10:01<azeem>"dpkg: no, <foo> is ..."
10:01<azeem>or "dpkg: <foo> is also ..."
10:01<dpkg>Test Failed.
10:01<ranix>dpkg: no, test is Test Succeeded
10:02<dpkg>ranix: what are you talking about?
10:02<azeem>test is a cmd/function, not a regular factoid I think
10:02<azeem>!literal test
10:02<dpkg>"test" is "<reply> Test Failed."
10:02<azeem>or maybe it's locked, some of the factoids are locked down
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10:02<nitalaut>hello guys
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10:03<nitalaut>is there any way to dump an audio stream from online radio ?
10:03<Berge>nitalaut: mplayer -dump, for instance.
10:03<hnefi>two questions: how do I uninstall my current nVidia drivers and how do I prevent the darn GDM from booting? "The Debian way" left me with obsolete drivers and I'll just do it the nVidia way instead.
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10:04<user>hello people.....
10:04<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
10:04<azeem>hnefi: ^^
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10:04<Berge>hnefi: You can keep gdm from starting with update-rc.d -f gdm remove
10:04<azeem>hnefi: for the second question
10:04<nitalaut>I tried mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile stream.ogg and it says Stream not seekable!
10:04<nitalaut>Core dumped ;)
10:04<Berge>oh, dpkg new.
10:05<witte>azeem: ok, but maybe i am not the one who has sufficient debian/linux authority to change these things :-)
10:05<Berge>nitalaut: Is the strem in an unfree format?
10:05<azeem>witte: then don't
10:05<Guest1656>how do i get things to auto start at boot up like script or application???????????
10:05<nitalaut>afs i suppose
10:05<seanius>instead of update-rc.d -f xdm remove, which is wrong, why not mv /etc/rc2.d/SNNxdm /etc/rc2.d/KNNxdm ?
10:06<Berge>seanius: Why is it wrong?
10:06<seanius>Berge: because the next upgrade will restore it
10:06<Berge>(It includes a force flag, granted.)
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10:06<Berge>seanius: Hm, true.
10:06<seanius>or at least install, depending on the maint script i guess
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10:07<Berge>nitalaut: Does mplayer play the stream at all?
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10:08<seanius>Guest1656: make an initscript, launch it from inittab, or put it in rc.local
10:08<Guest1656>ty sean
10:09<nitalaut>no it doesnt -(
10:10<nitalaut>it says Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, i have essential-codecs pack installed btw
10:10<seanius>nitalaut: try wget -O- "that url you just posted"
10:10<seanius>and look to see if there's a second url in the output
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10:10<nitalaut>seanius, yes there are )))
10:10<nitalaut>i'll try now
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10:11<tofs>Am I at the right place if I want to ask alot of newbie questions about Debian?
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10:12<witte>tofs: you can ask any question that you want, but we expect that you at least tried to find a solution ourself (like type your question in google first ;-))
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10:13<tofs>Well i've been googling like a maniac now and anywhere I go I just end up reading about some other linux distr.
10:14<qbit>tofs, what issue ya having?
10:14<seanius>then you can't be faulted for not trying
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10:14<simonrvn>stick 'debian' after it i you like
10:15<tofs>But more to the point; This is the first time ever i'm using linux. It took me one and a half day to install it and now i'm sitting here, scratching my head about how I create quick links to programs
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10:15<qbit>depends on the desktop manager you are using
10:15<nitalaut>seanius, thanks a lot!!, that helped -)
10:15<witte>tofs: what exactly do you want to do?
10:16<tofs>Also I just have do ask, can I get a hold of any program I like by using the search function in Synaptic Package Manager or is that some default library and the rest I have to find for myself online
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10:16<witte>tofs: you mean how to install packages that are not in synaptic?
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10:16<seanius>tofs: synaptic will tell you about everythign that's part of debian. of course there's more software out there that isn't part of debian, but debian sure has a lot of them
10:17<tofs>I noticed. I found VLC and BitchX instantly.
10:17<tofs>So, how exactly do I install a program that's not listed in synaptic?
10:18<seanius>tofs: the nice thing about using the package management system is that you can click a couple times and get the software. installing external software is a much messier and more involved process
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10:18<seanius>it depends on how the software is distributed to you
10:18<witte>tofs: that depends: if it is packaged for debian, you can download the deb and install it with dpkg -i <debfile>, otherwize you could install it by compiling
10:19<witte>tofs: but that is not often the case
10:19<witte>tofs: some other software comes with an installer...
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10:19<witte>tofs: I have only one program installed that did not came from a deb, and that is matlab, a commercial program
10:20[~]seanius usually only sees this with proprietary apps, which have their own set of instructions/installer
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10:20<witte>seanius: indeed, but somethimes, you need these proprietary apps as well ;-)
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10:21<tofs>Ah - I've noticed some "installer" folders in some of the tar.gz (that's like winzip/rar for linux, right?). There were two files in there. One with a .sh ending and one .pl
10:21<tofs>in some of the tar.gz files i downloaded.
10:21<witte>tofs: which program are we talking about, if I may ask
10:22<witte>tofs: and tar.gz is indeed "a kind of" zip format
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10:23<tofs>Hang on, i'll see which program had the .pl & .sh endings
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10:24[~]piozzo hola
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10:25<tofs>Meanwhile you can laugh at me for not knowing how to see which programs I installed and a quick way to "list" 'em. Like now. I installed VLC media player and BitchX and I have no idea where they're installed, how to find a list on the programs I have installed (I might forget I have BitchX installed, or that it's called BitchX) then how would I start it? (Now I just got lucky when I typed it into the Terminal.
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10:26<ricky>tofs: Try dpkg -L packagename
10:26<ricky>Or install dlocate ;)
10:26<witte>tofs: typing the name in a terminal usually does the trick for starting it
10:26<Strings>Whats the URL for the list of sources.list URLs?
10:26<seanius>and if it's a programm it should automatically show up in your menu
10:26<azeem>Strings: there is none
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10:26<witte>tofs: gui programs usually also end up in the menu i think
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10:26<ranix>tofs: whereis vlc
10:26<Strings>azeem: there's no reference at all?
10:26<ranix>also, dpkg -L vlc
10:27<azeem>Strings: usually it's not needed to change them
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10:27<Strings>but if I wanted to change them?
10:27<azeem>why would you?
10:28<seanius>i think there's a site somewhere on teh web that has a list of various 3rd party sources.list entries
10:28<Strings>new version of a particular package, and change it to UK mirrors
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10:28<seanius>oh look at teh time. time to go ~
10:28<ranix>is it kill yourself o'clock already?
10:29<ranix>bye guys
10:29<kzar>I want exim4 to only accept emails from localhost and that are going to certain domains and I have got it working. Problem I am having though is I want the root alias to point to a address inside one of the accepted domains but its not working. When I try and send an email to root I think it sees it as not in the lits of accepted domains and rejects it. Is there a way to maybe check /etc/aliases before deciding if a mail is to a valid domain?
10:29<guillaume>Is someone using eclipse with lenny ?
10:30<ranix>kzar: is your server behind a router?
10:30<guillaume>Mine r"efuse to start with jvm/java-6-sun-
10:30<ranix>the quick and dirty is block port 25 incoming
10:31<kzar>ranix: I don't control thr router :(
10:31<ranix>kzar: is port 25 forwarded to your server?
10:31<ranix>kzar: if not then you're in the clear, no email is getting to you anyway
10:31<kzar>ranix: it is working fine if I send an email to my email address directly. It only rejects if I send it to root which should be routed through to my email
10:32<kzar>ranix: I only need outgoing anyway, I am just sending emails from localhost to my email address
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10:33<kzar>ranix: But I want to be able to send an email to root alias and have it sent out to all the people who might be interested
10:33<ranix>one or both of us doesn't understand the problem
10:33<kzar>ranix: I think your right there ;)
10:33<ranix>kzar: why not use a list in /usr/lists?
10:34<kzar>ranix: what is /usr/lists?
10:34<ranix>kzar: I use list 'announce' for that
10:34<ranix>get the exim4 doc and check spec.txt or spec.html
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10:34<ranix>or google for spec.txt
10:34<ranix>it's an awesome piece of documentation, and is what makes exim4 better than postfix IMO
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10:37[~]Requiem blinks
10:37<Requiem>Didn't stable come out a few days ago?
10:38<weasel>yesterday or so, why?
10:38<Strings>What's the best way to update a package from etch to the version from lenny?
10:38<Requiem> stable came out today
10:38<weasel>that was to be expected
10:39<Requiem>they move really fast don't they?
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10:39<nubbun>works somewhat if I erase xorg.conf.
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10:39<weasel>the announcement on lwn said that a .5 was expected for today or so
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10:40<bloodskin>finally switched to a 32 bit system
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10:40<bloodskin>had to use a boot loader install method
10:41<bloodskin>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
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10:42<esaym>grr I can't get the backlight on my laptop lcd to ever go off
10:43<esaym>I just upgraded to testing from ubuntu 6.06
10:43<azeem>esaym: did you try vbetool dpms off
10:43<esaym>I remember I had trouble with it too. But I can't remember how I fixed it >_<
10:44<esaym>vbetool: command not found""
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10:44<esaym>hmm would that be the problem
10:44<azeem>as root
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10:44<esaym>ok, screen it black. it is working
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10:44<esaym>Now how to get it back on? rofl
10:45<bloodskin>how do i switch to level 3
10:45<bloodskin>its been a long time
10:45<esaym>"init 3"?
10:45<bloodskin>thank you
10:45<esaym>or 03?
10:45<esaym>I don't know
10:45<bloodskin>whats the non graphical level
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10:46<bloodskin>how do i exit x
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10:46<esaym>from what desktop manager?
10:47<azeem>esaym: vbetool dpms on
10:47<bloodskin>gnome if thats what your talking about
10:47<azeem>I guess
10:47<azeem>bloodskin: logout
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10:47<azeem>bloodskin: do you want to go to the console? Use ctrl+alt+f1 etc. for that
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10:47<bloodskin>i see. thank you.
10:48<esaym>azeem: yea rebooted
10:48<esaym>backlight is driving me nuts. IO have been trying to get it working for days now
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10:49<esaym>bloodskin: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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10:54<lontra>esaym: you went from ubuntu to debian lenny?
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10:56<esaym>yea :p
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10:56<esaym>I am wondering if my backlight problem is because I am using the nv driver instead of the nvidia one??
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10:57<esaym>The nvidia one is not working in testing atm
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10:57<bloodskin>nor is the one liner working on my system, which is the latest stable
10:57<azeem>esaym: what is your backlight problem anyway?
10:57<guillaume>is it possible to get hibernate working on a notebook using nvidia 7950gtx graphic card with proprietory driver ? Wanna save energy with my laptop but hibernate fail... I know that there's "nv" driver but don't want to use it.
10:58<azeem>and people "not working" is not an adequate error description
10:58<Maulkin>Erk, sorry
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10:58<JasonS>azeem: busted then?
10:58<bloodskin>heres the error
10:58<bloodskin>uno momento
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10:59<esaym>I can't get it to automatically turn off. Using any of the kde display powermanagement tools or adding "offtime" "10" to xorg.conf all just result in the lcd blanking but you can still tell that the backlight is on. xset dpms force off blanks the screen but leaves the backlight on. vbetool can turn off the backlight though
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10:59<bloodskin>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
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11:00<bloodskin>when using apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:00<Strings>What's the best way to update a package from etch to the version from lenny?
11:00<esaym>oh . n/m
11:01<lontra>Strings: either using pinning or setting up apt.conf and running apt-get install -t testing foo
11:01<witte>Strings: while remaining with stable, you could also consider backportin
11:01<witte>!tell Strings about bpo
11:01<bloodskin>any suggestions?
11:02<lontra>Strings: that's true too ... backports are a little messy imo
11:02<azeem>bloodskin: did you add non-free?
11:02<Requiem>Well this is not good
11:02<Requiem>my hard drive is defective!
11:02<lontra>esaym: have you thought about a clean install?
11:02<bloodskin>i will research that
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11:02<Requiem>anybody know a tool that'll let me back up everything (OS included) so I din't have to do the reinstall from scratch?
11:03<bloodskin>(i literally just now installed debian and have only installed xchat)
11:03<lontra>bloodskin: well iirc if you have xchat installed you must also have X installed
11:03<esaym>lontra: I just did this install
11:03<bloodskin>so use iirc>?
11:03<witte>Requiem: you could use good old dump and restore :-)
11:03<lontra>esaym: oh ... i thought you went dapper -> lenny ... ok
11:04<azeem>bloodskin: iirc means "if i remember correctly" it has nothing to do with irc
11:04<bloodskin>oh, i see
11:04<lontra>bloodskin: sorry
11:04<Requiem>I think I've used little enough space at this poitn I can copy it all to an old 20 gig
11:04<bloodskin>yes, it requires x
11:04<Requiem>that'll keep the system running till the replacement comes in too
11:05<bloodskin>i have the nvidia drivers from nvidias site, but when i switch to level 1 and type ch <file name> it says ch i not a valid command
11:05<bloodskin>should i use ./?
11:05<azeem>what is ch?
11:05<Requiem>level 1?
11:05<esaym>bloodskin: what debian version you using? stable/testing//unstable?
11:05<bloodskin>init 1
11:06<bloodskin>i figured since i am still learning my way around linux it was the safest otion for me
11:06<lontra>bloodskin: it certainly is
11:06<witte>Requiem: I did it this week (for the first time) and I use a level 0
11:06<azeem>bloodskin: why don't you do the one-liner?
11:06<witte>Requiem: level 0 is everything
11:06<azeem>bloodskin: using nvidia-site drivers is not supported here
11:06<azeem>what is?
11:06<azeem>nvidia drivers certainly aren't
11:06<azeem>unless you don't want to upgrade
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11:07[~]lontra though azeem was an op
11:07<witte>Requiem: and you can put everything in one line with a pipe
11:07<lontra>s though/thought
11:07<Requiem>witte: Huh?
11:08<bloodskin>nvidia drivers currently arent what
11:08<witte>Requiem: dump --stuff -0 /mount/broken/disk - | restore --stuff2 /new/disk/ -
11:08<witte>Requiem: or something like that :-)
11:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
11:08<Requiem>was just gonna use the clone tool from my UBCD
11:09<azeem>bloodskin: using nvidia drivers from nvidias site is not supported here, correct
11:09<witte>Requiem: that is also an option :-). anyhow, i have to go... by
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11:09<bloodskin>ok, then what do you suggest doing?
11:09<azeem>bloodskin: the nvidia one-liner
11:09<bloodskin>does not work for me
11:10<azeem>bloodskin: did you "research" whether you have non-free enabled?
11:10<bloodskin>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
11:10<azeem>because that was the last you wanted to do
11:10<bloodskin>enabled, no
11:10<Requiem>bloodskin: you don't by the way
11:10<bloodskin>i searched the definition
11:10<azeem>bloodskin: nvidia drivers are non-free
11:10<lontra>bloodskin: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:10<azeem>so you will have to enable it
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11:10<dpkg>non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: is in there . See #debian-nonfree and, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or Also ask me about <vrms>
11:10<lontra>bloodskin: and if non-free isn't at the end of a line you have to add it
11:11<bloodskin>thank you lontra
11:11<bloodskin>azeem, i already asked dpkg
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11:11<azeem>then why didn't you follow its advise?
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11:13<Zacariaz>anyone with experience regarding ati mobile radeon x1600 and debian testing?
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11:14<kzar>If is in my list of acceptable domains to send emails to and I add a line to my /etc/aliases file "," I expected the mail to be routed to those two address' but it is still being sent to
11:14<lontra>Zacariaz: what's your question
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11:15<bloodskin>is it possible to edit the sources.list without logging out of my profile and into root
11:15<lontra>bloodskin: you could use sudo
11:16<lontra>bloodskin: or are you talking about logging into X in a window manager as root?
11:16<lontra>Zacariaz: please don't pm me
11:16<bloodskin>im talking about any method that is faster than switching users
11:16<lontra>Zacariaz: i may not be able to help you and others in here might but by pm me if i can't help you then others won't know your problem
11:16<lontra>bloodskin: faster than su?
11:17<bloodskin>although i could have already done so
11:17<lontra>bloodskin: open a terminal, type su enter root password and voila
11:17<bloodskin>didnt know about su
11:17<bloodskin>i am a newb to the linux platform, if you will
11:17<lontra>dpkg: exactly
11:17<dpkg>lontra: =)
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11:17<lontra>bloodskin: ok ... open a terminal and type su and enter the root password
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11:17<Zacariaz>i didnt intent to pm you, just to do the same as you do, you know color your name
11:17<lontra>bloodskin: are you running gnome or kde?
11:18<lontra>Zacariaz: no big deal
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11:18<lontra>bloodskin: as root ... gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the words 'contrib non-free' to the end of your 'deb' lines
11:18<bloodskin>thank you
11:18<lontra>bloodskin: after you've made changes click save and run apt-get update
11:18<lontra>bloodskin: then as root run that nvidia one-liner command
11:19<Requiem>use nano /etc/apt/source.list :P
11:19<lontra>Requiem: he's a newbie
11:19<lontra>Requiem: gedit is much easier than nano at first
11:20<bloodskin>thank you lontra
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11:20<lontra>bloodskin: np
11:21<guillaume>what do you think of safe-upgrade option with aptitude, last time I use it, it frozen lots of packages and I had to upgrade them manualy, it's not really convenient
11:21<Requiem>At any rate, better get to work.
11:22<lontra>guillaume: isn't it just what aptitude upgrade has become?
11:22<lontra>guillaume: it works fine here
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11:22<guillaume>lontra: u're under leeny too ?
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11:22<lontra>guillaume: sid
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11:23<bloodskin>Package nvidia-settings is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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11:23<guillaume>lontra: what I don't know is if this option can select frozen packages and update them ?
11:24<lontra>guillaume: you mean packages that are being held?
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11:24<azeem>bloodskin: did you add contrib as well?
11:24<guillaume>lontra: yes
11:24<buffoon>hi! isn't there any cube/wobble on compiz in sid?it seems that there are missing plugins... I did install compiz-plugins btw
11:24<azeem>bloodskin: if not, do it
11:24<lontra>guillaume: when a package is being held i run ... aptitude install foo and look at the score and see what it wants to do
11:24<lontra>buffoon: i think there is but you need to enable it w/ gconf-editor
11:24<bloodskin>thank you azeem
11:25<lontra>buffoon: if you're interested there is a good compiz-fusion 3rd party repo that works great for sid
11:25<azeem>bloodskin: btw, checking "" would've told you that it's in contrib
11:25<lontra>buffoon: deb unstable all
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11:26<tofs>Just out of curiosity, how do I get my sound working? I have a Soundblaster Audigy 2 soundcard and according to Creative's website they have no drivers for Linux. Is there any solution to this? Also I've looked at the ALSA page and Sound Blaster Audigy 2 versions are listed there, just not the regular SB A2 card I have.
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11:27<lontra>tofs: try #alsa on ... but before ... have you tried alsaconf to see if it recognizes your driver?
11:27<guillaume>tofs: have u try alsaconf and amixer ?
11:28<lontra>tofs: ... look here if it's here you're in luck
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11:29<lontra>tofs: oh nevermind ... you've already looked there ... i'd ask in #alsa and open a bug report upstream at alsa
11:30<tofs>I didn't know there was an ALSAconfi :P
11:30<tofs>I'm still on my "first-day-with-linux"
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11:30<lontra>tofs: well good for you for searching before asking :)
11:30<lontra>!win tofs
11:30<dpkg>Congratulations, tofs! You have won the US presidency!
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11:32<buffoon>lontra: ah, thx
11:32<buffoon>I'm gonna figure that out
11:32<tofs>Could you tell me how to find the alsaconf-file?
11:32<lontra>buffoon: good luck
11:33<lontra>tofs: run alsaconf as root and see if it detects your card
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11:36<lexloom>Gleich los: Will "KDE" installieren, habe im Moment Gnome. WIe mache ich das? Über synapsis versucht: nicht geschafft
11:36<tofs>lontra: I love you. alsaconf found my soundcard and it's working like a charm!
11:37<lontra>tofs: great!
11:37<bloodskin>ok, how do i get to the screen resolution popup
11:37<guillaume>do you know why the's no recent daily build ? I check after someone search them but the folders are empty...
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11:38<lupine>lexloom: "apt-get install kde" will, umm, install KDE
11:38<dpkg>rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
11:38<lexloom>Thank`s ! I try:)
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11:39<lontra>lexloom: you can also run apt-get install kde-desktop for even more goodies
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11:41<lexloom>"Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? " . must i run "Root Terminal"?
11:41<buffoon>lexloom: right... or "su" in that terminal first
11:41<azeem>lexloom: or use sudo
11:41<buffoon>or sudo yes =)
11:42<lontra>lexloom: you will probably need to set up sudo though
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11:46<lexloom>hi will a CD, i have no. I had istalled it from Network. Must i configure the source?
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11:47<lontra>lexloom: you want to use a cd? or you want to set it up to use the internet?
11:47<lexloom>I will to set it up to use the internet! Thank you:)
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11:48<lontra>lexloom: you can use the internet ... set it up in /etc/apt/sources.list as root and make sure you have the words main contrib non-free at the end of the lines
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11:51<lexloom>Thank you: I have a Network-Installation CD ! It runs:)
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11:52<apol>is anyone able to run "aptitude install kde"? it is broken for me since days...
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11:52<bloodskin>hmmm./ i cant remember how to enable the user list in xchat
11:53<bloodskin>o, nvm. just drag it
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11:54<bloodskin>wine ten
11:54<bloodskin>!wine ten
11:54[~]dpkg pours ten a nice glass of Pinot Gris
11:54<Zacariaz>anyone with experience regarding ati mobile radeon x1600 and debian testing? Im in doubt to if i have a/the proper driver installed and if it works as it should.
11:57<the-dude>Zacariaz, which driver do you use?
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11:59<Zacariaz>i dont know, i havent installed any manually, the that debian chose works fine for all the normal stuff, but when running 3d i get superlow fps
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12:00<lexloom>" Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" ???
12:00<Eulex>look above and see what error the script returned.
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12:03<Kleber_>hello folks, I'm using courier-ldap and it's working fine, but I would like to use normal linux users together, I'm receiving a log message like "courierpop3login: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory", what (and how) file should I change to stop that error message ?
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12:08<lexloom>diverse Pakeges are not installed. apt get install "Packagename"?
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12:17<mike>Hi! I need help. I have debian 4.0 Etch/testing and want to downgrade to Debian Etch 4.0. What should I do?
12:17<azeem>mike: downgrades aren't supported
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12:17<azeem>so either stay with testing, or reinstall
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12:18<the-dude>mike, I tried it several times and most of the time it is not worth spending
12:18<Eulex>that said, it should be possible to downgrade, if you give it enough time and have enough knowledge. it's on your own risk, though.
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12:19<mike>But as I know, I can downgrade each package manually with Synaptic... It takes too much times isn't it?
12:19<Eulex>mike, hmm, but going from etch/testing to etch/stable should be an upgrade...
12:20<Eulex>however, lenny/testing to etch/stable is a downgrade
12:20<mike>How can I do it?
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12:20<the-dude>mike, why do you want too downgrade anyway?
12:20<Eulex>mike, firstly, are you sure that you've got etch from when it was testing there and not lenny?
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12:21<mike>I write device driver and i need stable programs and libs. I really need it
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12:22<the-dude>reinstall or program in een chroot envirement
12:22<irwiss_>mike: Why not set up a chroot with stable?
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12:24<mike>I'm using Linux serious about 4 month and haven't enough knowledge. What does it mean: "Why not set up a chroot with stable"
12:26<the-dude>mike, it means that it is possible to run a fake "virtual" stable machine in your testing machine
12:27<mike>thanks for explain
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12:30<irwiss_>mike: Virtual isn't exactly the word for it, it's the same machine and the kernel is the same, but the libraries your program will use are those under the directory you chroot'ed into, so if you're using a library with some function that was broken between kernel versions your program will not work, something you should be aware of
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12:35<mike>"chroot" is not exactly what I want. There is no problem for me to use stable version, I just want to downgrade my Linux. So if it impossible, how to save all my settings and restore it on reinstalled Linux?
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12:36<the-dude>mike, how much time are you willing to spend downgrading?
12:37<azeem>he doesn't
12:37<azeem>he wants to backup/restore his settings
12:38<the-dude>imho downgrading is not for someone with 4 months of experiance
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12:38<mike>Yes, no time to downgrade - reinstall and restore all my ftp servers, apache and so on.
12:38[~]the-dude thinks something will break will downgrading
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12:40<mike>I spent much time to setup programs. It was so hard for me...
12:41<mike>I don't want to do it again
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12:43<the-dude>If you consider a clean install to be hard, you should not consider downgrading imho
12:45<irwiss_>mike: You could try backing up your /etc, /home, /opt and /var and restore them on stable but there's little odds something wouldn't get screwed up and it'll be way harder to get help on resolving those issues.... By 'I need stable programs and libs' you mean stable as in stability or stable as in specific libs versions from 'stable' debian branch?
12:45<lupine>if all you need is the stable kernel, download and install it
12:45<lupine>testing apps will run fine under an etch kernel
12:46<mike>I need specific libs version
12:46<lupine>so install and link explicitly against those versions
12:46<lupine>or you could run stable inside a qemu/similar instance
12:47<mike>Unfortunately, I don't know what exactly libs I need...
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12:48<the-dude>yes thats possible but he had trouble with installing so gemu also might be a challenge to setup and install
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12:49<mike>I have free disk partition. Can I install new Linux on it and use 2 Linux? Second for development
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12:51<the-dude>yes thats possible
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12:52<mike>Will I have serious problem with Grub?
12:53<mzungu>hi, anybody experienced with SWAHILI-lang-packed Debian?
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12:55<the-dude>most likely not, it will find the other disk and will put in into the bootmenu
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12:55<ranix>people who use line graphs for non-sequential data need to be punched
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13:15<bloodskin>whats the wine support channel?
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13:34<tabler>hi. is there a tool for recovery of a partition table (ext2,3 and ntfs)?
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13:37<bloodskin>how do i cd to my ipod
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13:37<the-dude>tabler, apt-cache search recover and pick one
13:38<fxiny>tabler: gpart
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13:40<xbc>bloodskin, does ipod behave like a mass sorage device?
13:40<bloodskin>a usb 1.8" hdd 30gb
13:40<xbc>bloodskin, do you use kde?
13:41<bloodskin>im not sure what kde is
13:41<bloodskin>a widow manager
13:41<tabler>fxiny, the-dude: thx
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13:41<bloodskin>i use gnome. there is a link on my desktop that opens a folder
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13:42<bloodskin>i need to get there in a terminal so i can run something using wine
13:42<xbc>is it mountet?
13:42<xbc>and where?
13:43<xbc>type mount to see the mounted devices
13:43<tabler>btw. is there a tool to mount everything that is mountable?
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13:44<bloodskin>would that be plausable?
13:44<xbc>may be
13:44<xbc>where is it mounted to?
13:44<bloodskin>im saying, does that look proper
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13:45<bloodskin>/dev/sda2 on /media/BLOODSKIN'S type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortnam
13:45<bloodskin>so how would i get there
13:45<xbc>so cd /media/BLOODSKIN'S
13:45<bloodskin>ok, thanks
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13:45<bloodskin>the media folder
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13:48<xbc>bloodskin ?
13:49<bloodskin>there has to be a way to run a program from my ipod using wine
13:49<xbc>which program?
13:49<bloodskin>there are a few
13:49<bloodskin>the one im going for now is diablo 2
13:50<xbc>nice game :)
13:51<xbc>as i'm not using wine i cant help you much at this point :(
13:52<bloodskin>there isnt enough space on my hdd for it so i installed it on my ipod under the windows system. i read somewhere that it can be launched with wine which is logical. i have already updated wine using apt-get. i just cant figure out how to get to my ipod. when i cd media/BLOODSKIN'S it disables all commands, even netstat
13:52<bloodskin>i just dont feel like switching to windows every time i want to play the game
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13:53<bloodskin>kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face
13:53<dkr>no, not really like that. :)
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13:57<Maulkin>bloodskin: sorry? what error do you get?
13:57<bloodskin>no error. it just goes to
13:57<Maulkin>Erm... What do you run to get that command?
13:58<Maulkin>oh, I see
13:58<Maulkin>cd /media/BLOO
13:58<Maulkin>Then press tab (before return)
13:58<Maulkin>or, cd "/media/BLOODSKIN'S"
13:58<Maulkin>or cd /media/BLOODSKIN\'S
13:59<bloodskin>forgot the trailing \
13:59<jae>Any LVM gurus around?
13:59<Maulkin>jae: just ask :)
13:59<bloodskin>thank you sir/ma'am
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14:00<Maulkin>bloodskin: next time, assume that...
14:00<bloodskin>i am new to linux, my appologies
14:00<Maulkin>bloodskin: next time, assume that the system is working properly :)
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14:00<bloodskin>i never doubted it. i just knew i wasnt using the right method
14:01<jae>Maulkin: generally, I agree, but I also am too desperate/frustrated/annoyed to ask and then wait for hours, and to no avail
14:01<Maulkin>jae: did you mail the lists?
14:01<Maulkin>jae: I can't help if you don't ask.
14:02<jae>Maulkin: no, but I likely will... though it would be better not to write in my current mood :P
14:02<jae>What do I go if I get VG vg0 metadata too large for circular buffer
14:02<Maulkin>More precicely, chances of me helping if you ask >= 0 :)
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14:02<jae>I can't even remove an empty PV from this VG
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14:03<jae>I guess I wouldn't have had a chance to add it if not for the fact that the VG was lvm1 at the time...
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14:03<Maulkin>jae: pvmove ?
14:03<jae>Then I did a vgconvert, which was successful (or so it said... it was a sort-of lie, if the configured metadatasize was too small anyway)
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14:04<jae>I tried pvmove, that's what I did the vgconvert for :(
14:04<Maulkin>jae: you *may* be able to pvcreate and add it.
14:04<jae>Because lvm2 can't pvmove with lvm1-format VGs
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14:06<Maulkin>IIRC, LVM2 has a static buffer size.
14:06<jae>pvmetadatasize, in lvm.conf... you can set it (I assume it has an effect ;)
14:07<Maulkin>ahh, ok. I'm assuming there's data on there you want?
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14:08<Maulkin>jae: have a look at this thread:
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14:11<jae>He ran into the same problem, apparently, but w/o a fix
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14:21<kevinl>does /proc/modules list the loaded modules only?
14:21[~]vastinfest labas vakaras
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14:22<lontra>kevinl: yes i believe it does
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14:24<folkart>afternoon all
14:24<lontra>kevinl: so does running lsmod
14:24<kevinl>lontra right, troublshooting initramfs problem with no lsmod avail
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14:25<folkart>has anyone tried loading debain on sata HD?
14:25<kevinl>folkart, ya
14:25<kevinl>never had a prob
14:25<folkart>kewl......could you you give me a little help?
14:26<kevinl>whats up?
14:26<kevinl>ive never really ran into any issues
14:26<kevinl>so i dont know much about troubleshooting sata specifically
14:27<folkart>well i've used debain a little but wanting to put it on my gaming puter but it has a sata HD
14:27<kevinl>ok, so whats the prob?
14:27<folkart>and the debain internet setup that i have doesn't recognize the sata HD
14:28<kevinl>is it an etch 4.0r0 net-install cdrom iso ?
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14:29<folkart>it is an older version
14:29<folkart>do you have a link to that version?
14:29<kevinl>i would go with etch or ubuntu
14:29<folkart>i like ubuntu
14:30<kevinl>ubuntu desktop 7.04
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14:30<kevinl>easiest linux to install ever
14:30<kevinl>and best for casual use
14:30<kevinl>if you ask my opinion
14:30<kevinl>or power use
14:30<kevinl>i use it for servers too
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14:31<kevinl>id save time and go that route instead of troubleshoot the sata .
14:31<kevinl>it may just work. or if its doesnt, i dunno
14:31<kevinl>troubleshooting something that low level is difficult. id just change the hardware.
14:31<folkart>kevinl so ya think that distro would support sata?
14:31<kevinl>you can try it
14:32<kevinl>the ubuntu 7.04 cd acts as a live cd
14:32<flami>Hi what permissions does tmp have by default ? 777 ? or something else ?
14:32<folkart>can you install to HD too?
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14:33<kevinl>the deskop of the live cd has an install icons
14:33<kevinl>flami, i think 777 tes
14:33<kevinl>drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4.0K 2007-08-23 07:35 tmp
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14:33<kevinl>is mine
14:33<folkart>ok...thanks kevin will try that
14:33<flami>whats t ?
14:33<flami>thats something else to 777
14:33<flami>ill try 1777
14:34<flami>ok yes its 1777 .... anyone can give me a guid to all those flags and numbers associated to em ?
14:34<Hessophanes>flami: man chmod?
14:34<flami>OHh ;)
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14:35<kevinl>its chown root
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14:37<Zacariaz>anyone with experience regarding ati mobile radeon x1600 and debian testing? Im in doubt to if i have a/the proper driver installed and if it works as it should.
14:38<flami>t like ticky bit ;)
14:38<Zacariaz>i havent installed any driver manually, the one that debian choose works fine for all the normal stuff, but when running 3d i get superlow fps
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14:54<bloodskin>how do i create a new mount point?
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14:55<dkr>a mount point is just a directory
14:55<dkr>so mkdir
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14:55<bloodskin>i see
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15:08<bloodskin>how would i emulate a cd drive so that the system cannot tell a difference?
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15:09<jae>Why would you want to?
15:09<bloodskin>is that really important?
15:09<lontra>bloodskin: do you mean w/ a virtual machine?
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15:09<bloodskin>quite possibly.
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15:11<lontra>bloodskin: what do you want to emulate a cd drive then?
15:11[~]lontra is confused
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15:12<bloodskin>as am i
15:12<bloodskin>i want to emulate a cd drive so that i can mount iso images and launch a game through wine
15:12<Maulkin>bloodskin: you don't need to emulate a cd drive for that
15:12<Maulkin>bloodskin: you can just mount the iso
15:13<bloodskin>i did, and it wont work
15:13<Maulkin>bloodskin: Error messgae?
15:13<Maulkin>bloodskin: and what did you try and do?
15:13<bloodskin>it mounts
15:13<bloodskin>but its an error custom to the application
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15:13<Maulkin>Which is?
15:13<bloodskin>please insert the disk labeled expansion
15:13<bloodskin>which is whats mounted
15:14<bloodskin>it didnt auto launch
15:14<bloodskin>its a windows platformed disk
15:15<bloodskin>i used ~#mount -o loop -t EXPANSION.ISO /mnt/isoimage/
15:15<bloodskin>obviously without ~#
15:15<Maulkin>I'm guessing you can't just burn off the iso?
15:15<bloodskin>i have no burner
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15:17<Maulkin>Have you run winecfg and set a virtual cd drive?
15:17<bloodskin>good idea
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15:17<Maulkin>bloodskin: next time, it'll be quicker to just google for your problem.
15:18<bloodskin>i googled for mount iso and thats how i got the command i used
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15:18<bloodskin>i googled for linux iso emolation
15:18<Maulkin>bloodskin: yes. how about: wine emulat ecd drive
15:18<bloodskin>and linux mount iso
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15:18<Maulkin>Yes, and you sucessfully mounted an iso.
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15:22<tabler>I have just recovered the partition of a hdd that contains ntfs and ext3. the ext3 can now be read, the ntfs (first partition with boot falg set) cannot. does anyhone have hints?
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15:23<tabler>(may rewriting the MBR help?)
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15:38<streuner>but it doesn't hurd to run your bootloader :-)
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15:39<tabler>well I don't want to boot it
15:39<tabler>I only need to access it
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15:40<streuner>well, if the partition is ok you shouldnt have any problems to mount it...
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15:43<Nemoder> heh!
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15:44<lupine>old comic is old
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15:44<lupine>I already taunted all my debian-using friends with dates :D
15:44<lupine>the timing of those comics is always eerie
15:44<Nemoder>no kidding
15:45<lupine>the forgetting-people's-names one came the same day I had to introduce a friend to loads of casual friends, half of who's names I'd forgotton
15:45<Nemoder>I had just finished reading some of Orson Scott Card's books when that one came up
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16:03<tabler>does anyone here know a tool to recover a ntfs FILESYSTEM under deb?
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16:22<hachi>is there a way to detect when the drawer of a cd drive has been closed?
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16:23<azeem>hachi: from a kernel hacker point of view?
16:23<hachi>pretty much any point of view apart from that
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16:23<quickshiftin>hello all; any php folks around ?
16:23<hachi>I'm trying to find a way to determine it from userspace... getting tired of hearing people yell out 'HAL' or 'DBUS' as though they are real answers that work... I can't find anyone who can say "yes, this does work"
16:24[~]seanius hides
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16:24<quickshiftin>i am not very familiar w/ apt-get
16:24<quickshiftin>i want to upgrade a php4 install
16:24<quickshiftin>currently we are running 4.4.4-8
16:24<quickshiftin>clearly php 4.4.7 is available, by looking on
16:25<tabler>does anyone here know a tool to recover a ntfs FILESYSTEM under deb?
16:25<quickshiftin>but after apt-get upgrade; it doesnt appear to be available
16:25<quickshiftin>any thoughts ?
16:25<seanius>4.4.7 isn't available in stable, and php4 has been entirely removed from testing/unstable
16:26<azeem>quickshiftin: what's the problem with staying with 4.4.4?
16:26<quickshiftin>i assumed it wasnt available in stable; but if it has been removed from testing will 4.4.7 never be available in the debian repo?
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16:26<seanius>never ever ever
16:27<quickshiftin>well i guess a reinstall is my only luck
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16:27<azeem>quickshiftin: what would that help?
16:27<quickshiftin>im getting some strange mime type error when executing cli based scripts
16:27<bloodskin>i still cant figure out how to emulate a cd drive in wine
16:27<quickshiftin>not sure if its phps fault at all really
16:27<seanius>quickshiftin: oh dthere's a fix for that
16:27<azeem>maybe you should explain your errors
16:27<quickshiftin>seanius: mind sharing ?
16:28<seanius>look through the BTS page for php4, for bugs talking about mime magic
16:28<seanius>you can comment out a line in some random file in /usr/share and it goes away
16:28<quickshiftin>ya; i saw something about that, but i didnt see the filename; i dont know how to track it down
16:29<quickshiftin>is there some site people use here to post things to, then provide the url ?
16:29<quickshiftin>i dont want to post like 10 lines directly here..
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16:30<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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16:30<seanius>ah, the bug was archived
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16:31<seanius>i think the resulting decision is that it *is* a php bug but no one cared enough to fix it the right way
16:31<seanius>i think apache has a similar problem
16:31<quickshiftin>ok, i pasted the output:
16:31<quickshiftin>its strange because we have the same setup on several machines
16:32<quickshiftin>only the problem occurs on just the one machine
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16:33<Fill>hey, anyone there knows how to overburn a cd using nero?
16:33<azeem>Fill: how is this on topic here?
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16:35<Fill>well at least it is nerolinux
16:35<Fill>ok ... using GnomeBaker
16:35<Fill>that is included in the topic
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16:36<streuner>Are you care to read /topic at all?
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16:43<quickshiftin>ok, i found the file; and commented the offending lines
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16:43<quickshiftin>looks like it is a bug in php
16:43<quickshiftin>thanks for the help
16:43<quickshiftin>i hope it solves my problem
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16:43[~]piozzo hi
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16:53<Tuplad>Guys! To install xampp I need to extract it in the folder /opt, but what if it's not there, do I create it ?
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16:57<the-dude>what is not there?
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17:14<DeMoNSeEd>i'm getting what seems to be an eror message when installing my Etch, it has something to do with uswusp, can someone tell me what that is, is it serious, can i just disregard and continue the install?
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17:17<chealer>DeMoNSeEd: it's a package for software suspend
17:17<DeMoNSeEd>so, nothing to worry about
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17:27<Straight>boa noite
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17:33<dbldtx>hello all. i just booted into my blackbox testing machine. horray linyckz
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17:36<kevinl>if a module for a NIC card is not loaded, and you insmod the correct module, should eth0 be created at that point?
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17:37<alex__>then you define eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
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18:20<redneck>can anyone help me with my mouse? it doesn't work on my laptop when I connect it.. laptop keeps saying touchpad has lost its sync
18:20<redneck>it has debian etch on it
18:21<chealer>redneck: even if you connect it before X's start?
18:22<redneck>touchpad still works though
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18:22<chealer>redneck: please publish your X configuration
18:24<Aleric>Which package do I need to read pdf documents from within firefox?
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18:28<redneck>chealer: I'm sending xorg.conf to you
18:28<Aleric>answer is: evince
18:28<EmleyMoor>How do I specify a different device for mpg321 to use?
18:28<chealer>redneck: it failed. please use a pastebin instead.
18:29<EmleyMoor>I can't work out what values it wants me to specify
18:30<redneck>heh.. what's pastebin :)
18:31<chealer>!tell redneck about pastebin
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18:34<EmleyMoor>It's obvious I do mpg321 -a something, but it's the something I can't fathom
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18:34<TaidanOfficer>hello everybody
18:34<EmleyMoor>I have effectively 3 sound cards
18:34<TaidanOfficer>guys, my xorg.conf disappeared from /etc/X11, yet X works fine!!!
18:34<TaidanOfficer>where did it go???
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18:35<gravity>That's not supposed to happen for another few days...
18:35<gravity>And even then you'll have to work at it
18:35<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Xorg doesn't require an xorg.conf to work
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18:35<TaidanOfficer>gravity, i never deleted it
18:36<gravity>TaidanOfficer: What version of debian are you running?
18:36<TaidanOfficer>gravity: lenny upgraded to today
18:36<gravity>TaidanOfficer: That wouldn't do it...
18:37<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Are you running the nvidia or fglrx driver?
18:37<TaidanOfficer>gravity: ati here, thanks
18:37<gravity>TaidanOfficer: ati, not fglrx?
18:37<TaidanOfficer>gravity: correct
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18:37<gravity>That really should not happen
18:37<gravity>That's worrisome
18:37<TaidanOfficer>gravity: i got xorg.conf.original-0,1,2 however
18:38<hachi>AUGH, I've got a .tex file here, I want to display it like a manpage, or an info page, or like perldoc path/to/file
18:38<EmleyMoor>OK - here's an example - my USB headset is card 2. How do I play an mp3 through it using mpg321?
18:38<TaidanOfficer>gravity: i tried to make it run with fglrx, didn't succeed after minimal tinkering, gave up on it, but that was months ago
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18:38<chealer>redneck: what kind of mouse?
18:38<hachi>how the devil does one view a tex file on debian?
18:38<TaidanOfficer>gravity: it's been working fine ever since
18:38<gravity>TaidanOfficer: I bet it was fglrx
18:38<gravity>I don't know much about how it was packaged
18:39<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Anyway, if it's working for you, don't knock it
18:39<hachi>texdoc says "Dont know how to handle filetype tex"
18:39<gravity>Debian will be going to no xorg.conf by default eventually
18:39<hachi>tex throws errors
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18:39<hachi>there's no tex2text or whatever commands that I can see
18:39<TaidanOfficer>gravity: that would be fun, though I think I'm going to try fglrx here soon
18:39<hachi>tex2pdf exists
18:39<hachi>texi2dvi exists... neither which help me
18:39<TaidanOfficer>gravity: thank you for the swift responses
18:40<gravity>TaidanOfficer: No problem
18:40<redneck>chealer: just basic logitech PS2
18:40<EmleyMoor>What should an alsa card:device specification look like?
18:40<gravity>god, fglrx...
18:40<TaidanOfficer>gravity: should I not try it?
18:41<gravity>TaidanOfficer: It's your machine
18:41<TaidanOfficer>gravity: for other than purity reasons of course
18:41<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Why do you want to use it?
18:41<TaidanOfficer>gravity: don't need the 3d, but enlightenment 17 is sluggish (newest cvs that is)...probably won't fix it
18:42<TaidanOfficer>gravity: I don't need 3d for anything at all
18:42<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Well, it's up to you. fglrx isn't really well supported
18:42<gravity>Neither by ati from what I hear, nor by at all, nor by Debian really
18:43<TaidanOfficer>gravity: ati drivers are going fine, though without an xorg.conf I don't know how X figures to use them!!!
18:43<TaidanOfficer>gravity, I mean "ati"
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18:43<gravity>TaidanOfficer: It looks at the PCI ID, matches the vendor on the id to ATI, and loads the ati driver
18:44<TaidanOfficer>gravity: I wanted to do layout switching in X without gnome or KDE and for that I need xorg.conf
18:44<TaidanOfficer>gravity: keyboard layout
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18:44<TaidanOfficer>gravity: so I'm going to write me an xorg.conf now
18:44<gravity>TaidanOfficer: Have fun
18:45<TaidanOfficer>gravity: making my computer work is never fun, but I enjoy it once it's set up
18:45<redneck>chealer: here's dmesg:
18:45[~]EmleyMoor is still puzzling over mpg321
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18:46<hachi>anyone here have a clue about tex
18:46<gravity>hachi: A little... what's the problem?
18:46<hachi>I want to view it
18:46<hachi>I can read the source
18:47<hachi>and everybody and their sister has a howto for making pdfs anbd stuff
18:47<gravity>There's like a zillion ways to build tex files
18:47<hachi>I want text
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18:47<hachi>I can't find anyone who has a clue how to make text out of it
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18:49<simonrvn>gravity: hey dude, how goes it?
18:49<gravity>I mean, you can do pdflatex -> pdf2txt
18:49<gravity>simonrvn: Heya! Pretty good. How about you?
18:49<simonrvn>doing good :)
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18:50<lucas_amorim>Hello! All of a sudden wine is not working for me anymore, i cant for example run apps that used to run and i also can not run the winecfg anymore (Wine has exited with a failure status of 5). Then I apt-get remove --purge wine libwine wich should me allow to reinstall it from zero. Then i apt-get install wine. But the erro is still happening. What should I do?
18:50<chealer>redneck: I don't think I can help you, but maybe trying /dev/psaux rather than /dev/input/mice might help
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18:50<redneck>chealer: thank you.. I'll try that and keep googling
18:51<gravity>hachi: catdvi seems to do what you want
18:51<hachi>dvi? why the hell is it called dvi
18:51<hachi>who named this crazp
18:51<lymeca|>The 18733 number of packages... are those in main?
18:51<lymeca|>Or does that number include contrib and non-free?
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18:52<gravity>hachi: That would be Don Knuth
18:52<hachi>rosa:/red/src/linux- catdvi Documentation/cdrom/cdrom-standard.tex
18:52<hachi>Does not start with preamble
18:52<gravity>hachi: Who, I hate to say it, is smarter than you
18:52<hachi>smarter maybe
18:52<hachi>but I'm the one who wants to hack on the kernel right now
18:52<hachi>not dick around and learn some special piece of software just to read docs
18:53<Strings>is emacs easier to use than vim?
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18:53<hachi>I guess I'll install all 550MB of 'tetex-extra' and see if I can force this damned thing to work
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18:54<lucas_amorim>hachl: All related to tex and latex I got from the package tetex-bin
18:54<gravity>whine whine whine
18:54<lucas_amorim>gravity: ?
18:54<gravity>lucas_amorim: Not you
18:55<hachi>yes, I reserve the right to whine
18:55<hachi>i've been dicking around trying to read linux kernel docs for 15 minutes now, and I'm no closer yet
18:55<hachi>something that should just work by now
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18:56<gravity>They were all in plain text last time I looked
18:56<lucas_amorim>hachi: I think you could just #more file.tex
18:57<lucas_amorim>or cat, or gedit or vim
18:57<hachi>I have been, I'm tired of having my eyes twitch out from trying to seperate syntax from content
18:57<hachi>\halign{$#$\ \hfil&$/*$ \rm# $*/$\hfil\cr
18:57<hachi>is there any content I care about in that line? I dunno
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18:57<lucas_amorim>then just install that package i said and build the pdf from it
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18:58<hachi>what package? catdvi? I pasted the error
18:58<bloodskin>!search cmedia
18:58<hachi>I've already got tetex-bin installed, I'm installing tetex-extra now because it doesn't appear to be enough... maybe
18:59<gravity>hachi: You need to run latex on the .tex file, then run catdvi on the .dvi file it spits out
18:59<gravity>You can't just go directly to a .txt file
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19:00<lucas_amorim>apt-get install tetex-bin
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19:01<bloodskin>any support for cmedia drivers?
19:02<lucas_amorim>Hello! All of a sudden wine is not working for me anymore, i cant for example run apps that used to run and i also can not run the winecfg anymore (Wine has exited with a failure status of 5). Then I apt-get remove --purge wine libwine wich should me allow to reinstall it from zero. Then i apt-get install wine. But the error is still happening. What should I do?
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19:03<chealer>bloodskin: just ask your question.
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19:04<bloodskin>i did. does debian support cmedia drivers?
19:04<bloodskin>as in cmedia audio drivers
19:05<bloodskin> the drivers from their site do not work
19:05<bloodskin>dpkg bot has no info on it
19:05<bloodskin>google takes me to usb drivers
19:05<chealer>bloodskin: by what do you mean by "supporting a driver"?
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19:06<bloodskin>as in does this support channel support (or supply) help with installation of those drivers? cmedia audio
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19:07<bloodskin>theres no support on the bot, their drivers dont install using the method they say. google takes me to all kinds of usb bull. so i figured it was time to ask in here
19:07<bloodskin>if there was a shortcut to the cmedia audio drivers
19:07<chealer>bloodskin: rather than asking that, just ask your question.
19:08<bloodskin>... i just did
19:08<simonrvn>now i remember why i put an ignore
19:08<chealer>bloodskin: your real question
19:08<bloodskin>is there was a shortcut to the cmedia audio drivers
19:08<bloodskin>for, whatever
19:08<bloodskin>how else do you want me to ask it
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19:08<simonrvn>you're going about this the wrong way, i think
19:09<bloodskin>nevermind, to hell with it
19:09<chealer>bloodskin: what do you mean by "shortcut to drivers"?
19:09<bloodskin>apt-get, a .deb package, etc
19:09<simonrvn>he means that he wanted to find a factoid on cmedia audio crap
19:09<chealer>bloodskin: does Linux include cmedia a driver?
19:09<lucas_amorim>bloodskin: did you try within alsa configuration?
19:10<bloodskin>ive tried c media, c-media, cmedia
19:10<chealer>s/cmedia a/a cmedia/
19:10<bloodskin>im not sure what that is. im a linux beginner
19:10<lucas_amorim>bloodskin:try alsaconf
19:10<simonrvn>how about (in google) 'cmedia audio linux' ? ...
19:10<bloodskin>it gives me all kinds of usb drivers
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19:11<lucas_amorim>bloodskin: alsaconf allows you to pick the driver
19:11<simonrvn>so... remove usb from the search terms... --> -usb
19:11<bloodskin>the audio linux is a given in the search, i was just giving examples of variations on the cmedia name that i have already tried
19:11<bloodskin>thank you lucas
19:11<lucas_amorim>bloodskin: did it work?
19:12<bloodskin>im in the process, the config poped up tho
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19:12<simonrvn>of course not, he hasn't run it yet
19:12<lucas_amorim>bloodskin: there are some drivers there, i do not know if they have cmedia
19:12<bloodskin>its worth a shot none the less
19:13<lucas_amorim>simonrvn: unnecessary comment
19:13<lupine>c-media kernel modules?
19:13<lupine>is what I have loaded
19:14<simonrvn>lucas_amorim: *yawn*
19:14<bloodskin>its an onboard soundcard. my chipset is via. it seems to have recognized it
19:14<lupine>via would be snd_via82xx
19:14[~]lupine has both :D
19:15<lucas_amorim>via is my chipset also
19:16<lucas_amorim>bloodskin: after you finish the config process just run alsamixer to raise the levels
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19:16<bloodskin>ok, ty
19:16<lucas_amorim>you are welcome :)
19:16<bloodskin>i have a dfi board. they seem to be pretty reliable
19:16<lupine>should also check the permissions on /dev/snd
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19:19<Strings>could you crash your dedicated server, if you randomly change the hostname etc?
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19:21<lucas_amorim>My pendrive run into a problem just about now. I can not write in it. I tryed to chmod 777 /media/pendrive
19:21<lucas_amorim>but it says readonly filesystme
19:21<lucas_amorim>it was working yesterday
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19:21<lucas_amorim>really strange
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19:22<simonrvn>check dmesg
19:25<Atlantiz>crap i'm trying some meds and the side effect i get is blurry vision
19:25<Atlantiz>this sucks lol
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19:38<Strings>what does this mean?
19:38<Strings>E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
19:38<Strings>E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
19:38<Strings>Trying to set up pinning
19:38<stoned>Strings: paste the contents of your /etc/apt/preferences on somewhere
19:38<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
19:39<Strings>Package: *
19:39<Strings>Pin: release a=stable
19:39<Strings>Pin-Priority: 700
19:39<Strings>Package *
19:39<Strings>Pin: release a=testing
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19:39<Strings>not sure if you caught that
19:40<tcsetattr>I see a "Package: *", then another of the same without the colon. is that right?
19:40<Strings>Yeh good call
19:40<stoned>tcsetattr: good eyes mate
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19:41<Strings>just getting rtorrent, im on etch and Im installing it from testing
19:42<Strings>is it normal for a bunch of shit to get updated?
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19:42<Strings>It's generating locales
19:43<Strings>Is this just because Im getting a package from testing?
19:43<Strings>So it has to update/install a whole bunch of dependencies?
19:44<stoned>oh umm
19:44<stoned>don't mixnmatch packages
19:44<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ...
19:45<stoned>!simple sid backport
19:45<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
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19:46<Strings>I got told pinning was alright...
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19:47<Strings>So if backports are better, how do I... undo the mass package upgrade when I installed rtorrent from testing?
19:48<Strings>Is there any way just to reset my repository back to etch?
19:48<matsu>Sorry, I'm knew, can I type mainchat freely?
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19:49<dondelelcaro>Strings: yes, but it's not trivial.
19:51<Strings>what do you mean?
19:52<_chealer>matsu: this channel is for support to Debian users.
19:52<Strings>so I'm alright to mix packages via pinning?
19:52<Strings>Or should I stick to backports from now on
19:52<_chealer>Strings: how many packages were upgraded?
19:52<dondelelcaro>Strings: you have to change your sources.list and then use Pin to downgrade
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19:52<Strings>quite a few, its still upgrading stuff
19:52<baloo>Strings: Generally speaking, if you have to ask whether you should when it comes to pinning, you're better off with backports.
19:52<dondelelcaro>and yes, you should stick to backports, or just upgrade to testing.
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19:52<Strings>Will stick to backports then
19:53<dondelelcaro>what you've got now is an intermediate system, which may work, but we definetly don't want to support here.
19:53<baloo>"Pinning: If you have to ask if you need it, you shouldn't touch it at all."
19:53<Menestrel>chealer that means I can?
19:53<Strings>Well I only tried to install one program
19:53<dondelelcaro>Menestrel: if you have a Debian related question to ask, yes.
19:53<Strings>Could really mix up the system that much?
19:53<chealer>Menestrel: if you want to ask for or offer Debian support, feel free to write.
19:53<dondelelcaro>Strings: yes; that's why we recommend backports.
19:53<Strings>Well how can I get rid of this testing upgradE?
19:54<Strings>Can edit the sources.list, but wont the damage be done?
19:54<dondelelcaro>Strings: 17:52:26 <dondelelcaro> Strings: you have to change your sources.list and then use Pin to downgrade
19:54<Strings>I'm not sure what would entail, sorry
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19:54<Strings>Do you mean make stable, a higher priority than testing?
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19:55<Menestrel>Guys, i've a doubt and being knew with linux I will try to be clear. Also add that I don't speak english as mothertongue... So... let's see
19:55<dondelelcaro>Strings: yes.
19:55<Menestrel>Here in Brazil is starting a new wave of connection options
19:55<Strings>and just comment out all other things in the sources.list beforehand
19:55<Strings>THEN add the backports line?
19:56<dondelelcaro>that won't be enough
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19:56<Strings>won't be enough?
19:56<dondelelcaro>Strings: has a slide on it
19:56<Menestrel>The mobile phone company i'm using has released a ISP thru their system
19:56<Menestrel>They use pcmcia and usb devices
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19:56<Strings>can't read it
19:57<Strings>Can't be that complicated to downgrade surely
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19:57<dondelelcaro>it's a single slide, and yes, it can be.
19:57<Menestrel>I've bought the usb one so could use in the notebook and the desktop pc
19:57<dondelelcaro>Strings: just search for downgrade, and read the slide
19:58<Strings>the slide doesnt work for me
19:58<Menestrel>Well, my problems is: I can't install the usb modem. :(
19:58<dondelelcaro>Strings: sure it does
19:58<Strings>I'm just getting a bunch of text
19:58<dondelelcaro>Strings: yes... it's a text file.
19:58[~]dondelelcaro didn't bother to give you the link to the pdf
19:58<Menestrel>I was reading tutorials from brazilians sites and most of those have tutorials for kde systems
19:59<Strings>that just gives me a few lines for the preferences file
19:59<dondelelcaro>Strings: yes. that's the Pinning that needs to be done.
19:59<Strings>then just aptitude upgrade?
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20:00<dondelelcaro>Strings: you'll have to use the curses interface to aptitude, update, then upgrade and resolve your conflicts
20:01<EmleyMoor>I haven't tried alevt, or subtitles, since upgrading to etch, until tonight
20:01<Strings>Alright, do i just comment out everything but the etch urls in the sources.list?
20:01<EmleyMoor>alevt tells me /dev/vbi does not exist...
20:01<EmleyMoor>subtitles tells me there's no handler for vtx
20:02[~]betopena hein
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20:02<Menestrel>betopena oi
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20:05<EmleyMoor>How do I regain /dev/vbi?
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20:08<tcsetattr>looks like /dev/vbi is supposed to be a symlink to vbi0, which is char device 81 224
20:08<EmleyMoor>Ah, great
20:09<EmleyMoor>Will fix that if the thing I'm doing now fails to do it
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20:12<POTIGUAR_>alguem q saca de redes? (smb...) q ja "integrou" com o active directory do win?
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20:17<cookie>Hello, anybody out there
20:17<EmleyMoor>subtitles still gives me "no handler for vtx"
20:17<cookie>does anyone know how to add the .iso file into the repository
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20:18<cookie>I like to update my system using image file.
20:18<ranix>dump is good for backups
20:18<ranix>dd is less good
20:19<EmleyMoor>ranix: You're treading close to holy war territory there
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20:19<ranix>I have not bothered to see if dd can dump just used disk space and not whitespace
20:19<ranix>I don't think it can
20:20<ranix>if it can it might be more useful
20:20<cookie>anyone please answers my question!!!
20:20<ranix>cookie: dump/restore or dd is what you are looking for
20:20<EmleyMoor>cookie: You'd have to mount it (loopback) and treat it as a CD
20:21<ranix>oh he means an image of a cd?
20:21<ranix>of an installation disk?
20:21<cookie>Ranix: yes.
20:21<cookie>Ranix:the installation image of DVD
20:21<ranix>listen to EmleyMoor then, I thought you meant you wanted to copy the same system to a bunch of similar machines
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20:22<cookie>Ranix: what command should use?
20:23<EmleyMoor>mount -t isofs -o ro,loop filename mountpoint - or put it in fstab and just mount mountpoint
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20:24<cookie>EmleyMoor: THen can I use: apt-get upgrade and point it to this mount point?
20:24<EmleyMoor>cookie: There's a way to add CDs to apt - I forget how
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20:25<cookie>EmleyMoor: that was exactly what I need to know
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20:26<cookie>EmleyMoor: Well, actually the idea is to add .iso files to apt - and upgrade the system from it not from the internet.
20:27<cookie>anyone knows please tell me.
20:27<tcsetattr>"apt-cdrom add" for an actual disk... if you want to keep it on hard drive it's probably better to unpack it and use file://
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20:46<cookie>tcsetattr: How do I use the "file://" option?
20:46<bmfx>help register
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20:47<A[M]ber>Lol. Nice on the topic part about Ubuntu.
20:47<cookie>tcsetattr: I like to add the DVD.iso file into the software sources list?
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20:48<A[M]ber>Anyways. I'm installing Debian-Gnome onto a USB drive and I am having troubles extracting the files from the .img file.
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20:53<A[M]ber>Can anyone help? Perhaps a better explanation of using dd?
20:54<A[M]ber>on Windows of course.
20:56<A[M]ber>I love how when someone like me joins a channel and it suddenly becomes dead. I do that too. I hate a lot of people that join the channels I'm in, lol.
20:56<dondelelcaro>A[M]ber: which image file?
20:57<dondelelcaro>A[M]ber: that you can just cp debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-USB.IMG /dev/sda1; or wherever your usb key is.
20:58<A[M]ber>On Windows, right?
20:58<A[M]ber>I have CYGWIN
20:58<E0x>what is you point A[M]ber ?
20:58<dondelelcaro>if you've got windows, then use rawrite or dd or whatever works
20:58<A[M]ber>Oh it was the /dev/* part that made me think that it'd only work on Windows.
20:59<A[M]ber>I'm multi-tasking here. ;)
20:59<A[M]ber>E0x: I've tried burning it to CD using Nero and it shows that data has been burned on the back of the CD, but windows isn't recognizing it. Then I tried MagicISO on it and it didn't recognize the .img file either.
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21:00<A[M]ber>And I've never used dd before but the outcome of it didn't look right.
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21:00<E0x>use rawrite
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21:00<E0x>how dondelelcaro say
21:01<A[M]ber>E0x: It wants to write to floppy though?
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21:01<E0x>change the drive
21:02<E0x>for the usb
21:02<A[M]ber>Doesn't have anythign to change to.
21:02<E0x>that file is a img of a disk , a usb disk/key
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21:04<A[M]ber>Lol. This is the fun part about doing something like this. I've already tried DSL and I've already tried PendriveLinux.
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21:04<A[M]ber>They both did not go far.
21:05<eugene_>HI all. I met problem about regular expression, anybody interest in ?
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21:05<eugene_>i have following strings (IP)
21:06<eugene_>I want to find out the strings except, how to write the expression ?
21:06<bluemagicxp>how do i can see url to download packages in synaptic?
21:06<A[M]ber>DSL got stuck on "Looking for for USB..." for just about any installation type. and PendriveLinux gave me trouble with my IDE harddrive.
21:06<bluemagicxp>sorry, my english i bad
21:06<bluemagicxp>sorry, my english is bad
21:07<bluemagicxp>how do i can see link to download packages in synaptic?
21:07<A[M]ber>So yeah. The fun of installing a linux os on a USB drive is quite great.
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21:08<A[M]ber>I looked there. Like I said, the outcome was weird: it created a file without an extension and it was just as big as the .img.
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21:10<A[M]ber>But I have to go. I will try another Linux distro if it doesn't work out. even if I have to resort to *cringes* Ubuntu. Because I've got plenty of CDs.
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21:10<juan>hay alguien conectado?
21:10<Adol>does anyone have any idea why the "gpu scaling method" section of nvidia-settings might be greyed out?
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21:11<chealer>!tell Guest1697 about es
21:12<Guest1697>well, i dont have a clue man+
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21:12<Guest1697>look, i go to the console in text mode
21:12<Guest1697>when i put my username root
21:12<Guest1697>and i try to enter the password the system wouñdnt let me write
21:12<Guest1697>i dont know whats happening
21:13<bluemagicxp>how do i can see link to download packages in synaptic?
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21:13<Guest1697>mmm i dont have an idea
21:13<chealer>bluemagicxp: you're using Synaptic, you selected a package, and you want to have the URL of the associated .deb? or what?
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21:14<bluemagicxp>the URL of the associated .deb
21:15<lupine>apt-cache show <package name> |grep "Filename:" gives you the path of the .deb file on the server
21:15<lupine>you just have to prepend the URL of the repo (e.g. )
21:15<Guest1697>i installed debian yesterday, could you tell me what packages should i install, the most common packages are the ones i need
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21:15<chealer>bluemagicxp: if you don't mind, why do you want that?
21:16<dondelelcaro>Guest1697: if you don't know what packages, you should use tasksel
21:16<lupine>Guest1697: if you run tasksel, it'll show you a bunch of common package sets
21:16<dondelelcaro>Guest1697: select what you're going to do with the machine, and it'll install a reasonable default set of packages.
21:16<lupine>installing software randomly is generally a bad idea though
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21:16<Guest1697>how do i access tasksel
21:16<bluemagicxp>chealer: i want go to internet room to download package.
21:17<Guest1697>i need to know how to access taskel
21:17<chealer>bluemagicxp: why?
21:17<chealer>Guest1697: run the tasksel command as root
21:18<bluemagicxp>chealer: money to download 1 MB is very much with me
21:18<Guest1697>wich is.....
21:18<Guest1697>which is the taskel command?
21:18<Guest1697>it s a whole new universe for me
21:19<lupine>it's a command. called tasksel. In a root terminal, type "tasksel" and you're away
21:19<lupine>also: read the manual
21:19<chealer>Guest1697: enter the following command line in a root shell "tasksel".
21:19<Adol>i have a game that runs at 640x480, and id like to run it fullscreen on my widescreen monitor without stretching. ive tried adding Option "FlatPanelProperties" "DFP-0; Scaling = aspect-scaled" to xorg, but it still seems to stretch when i use xrandr -s 640x480 - is there another way to accomplish this?
21:19<Guest1697>first of all i would need to install the ascii code, i cant write the "at" symbol
21:19<lupine>you need to select the correct keymap, I suspect
21:19<bluemagicxp>chealer: my english is very bad!
21:19<chealer>bluemagicxp: are you sure you can do that with synaptic?
21:19<lupine>Guest1697: install console-data and console-common
21:20<Guest1697>isnt there an ascii code for debian like in windows?
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21:20<dondelelcaro>Guest1697: eh? did you select the correct keymap for the keyboard that you have?
21:20<lupine>... yes, debian uses ascii
21:20<lupine>well, UTF-8, but it's backwards-compatible
21:20<Guest1697>mmm how do i do to change the keymap
21:21<bluemagicxp>chealer: i don't know
21:21<chealer>bluemagicxp: I don't think Synaptic can do that.
21:21<bluemagicxp>chealer: uh
21:21<Guest1697>i think i put english, but im from argentina, here we have accents, and this keyboard doesnt perform as i expected
21:22<lupine>bluemagicxp: once you've gotten the url (I told you how, up there ^^), you can download it from anywhere you like and install it using dpkg
21:22<Guest1697>i would like to change the keymap
21:22<lupine>but don't forget to d/l all the dependencies too
21:22<Guest1697>well i just put the taskel comand and it doesnt work
21:22<bluemagicxp>chealer: thank ^_^
21:22<Guest1697>i think that the dependencies are installed automaticaly
21:22<lupine>Guest1697: the command "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" will let you select a keymap
21:23<bluemagicxp>lupine: thank ^_^
21:23<lupine>Guest1697: not with dpkg...
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21:24<lupine>it's been a long day, and mahjongg is pwning me :/
21:24<bluemagicxp>lupine: how do i get URL?
21:24<lupine>[03:14] <lupine> apt-cache show <package name> |grep "Filename:" gives you the path of the .deb file on the server
21:24<lupine>[03:14] <lupine> you just have to prepend the URL of the repo (e.g. )
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21:25<Guest1697>as far as i know there are 21 cds of the distribution that were released
21:25<Guest1697>i downloaded the first 3
21:25<bluemagicxp>lupine: it haven't "File name:" row!
21:25<Guest1697>what i mean is, am i missing something by not downloading the other 18??
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21:26<lupine>lupine@nick:~/Desktop% apt-cache show libc6 |grep "Filename:"
21:26<lupine>Filename: pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.6.1-1_i386.deb
21:26<lupine>and sorry for the pasting
21:26<Guest1697>someone answer me
21:26<Guest1697><Guest1697> as far as i know there are 21 cds of the distribution that were released
21:26<Guest1697><Guest1697> i downloaded the first 3
21:26<Guest1697><Guest1697> what i mean is, am i missing something by not downloading the other 18??
21:26<lupine>yes. You're missing out on 11GB of software. oh noes
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21:27<chealer>Guest1697: no
21:27<bluemagicxp>lupine: use that command in Debian Linux
21:27<lupine>I'm running Lenny right. now.
21:27<bluemagicxp>lupine: ?
21:27<chealer>Guest1697: as long as you use a Debian mirror
21:27<lupine>"Filename:", not "File name:". There's a difference. It's grep.
21:28<Guest1697>but i meant
21:28<Guest1697>in that 11 gb of software
21:28<Guest1697>would that help me to build up an expert system?
21:28<lupine>just think, kteatime might be in there
21:28<Guest1697>i am studying system engeneering
21:28<Guest1697>what is Kteatime?
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21:29<lupine>it's a program that makes the tea for you. It's absolutely essential in any enterprise system
21:29<chealer>Guest1697: lupine is joke
21:29<bluemagicxp>Package: wine
21:29<amphi>lupine: heh
21:29<bluemagicxp>Status: install ok installed
21:29<bluemagicxp>Priority: optional
21:29<bluemagicxp>Section: otherosfs
21:29<bluemagicxp>Installed-Size: 48158
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21:29<lupine>so much fail
21:30<Guest1697>is there anyone of united states??
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21:30<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:31<lupine>bluemagicxp: the "Filename:" parameter is thwe 13th line of output from apt-cache show
21:31<Guest1697>i need to know something about your current situation, as i told you before i am studying system engeneering, how much money do you earn there in united states as a system engeneer??
21:31<chealer>lupine: I think he's saying Filename doesn't appear if you have no more APT source for the package version.
21:32<lupine>Wine shows a Filename: field here
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21:33<chealer>lupine: which version?
21:33<Guest1697><Guest1697> i need to know something about your current situation, as i told you before i am studying system engeneering, how much money do you earn there in united states as a system engeneer??
21:33<lupine>chealer: it's the wine repo one
21:33<dpkg>exim4 is probably the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on
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21:33<lupine>Guest1697: systems engineers who don't read the manual don't get paid anything. It's a well-known fact.
21:33<bluemagicxp>lupine: i running KNOPPIX (
21:33<lupine>Also, the current salary of systems engineers in the USA is surely off-topic
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21:33<lupine>as is Knoppix
21:34<chealer>lupine: does one of your APT sources currently provide that version?
21:34<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
21:34<lupine>chealer: yep
21:34<chealer>lupine: so it's normal. I'm talking about the opposite case.
21:34<lupine>if the file isn't in an apt repo, it makes sense that a Filename: won't show, I guess
21:34<bluemagicxp>so, i must use Debian Linux
21:34<lupine>well, if you want support from here, then yes
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21:35[~]lupine はらーきり
21:35<Guest1697>ow something about your current situation, as i told you before i am studying system engeneering, how much money do you earn there in united states as a system engeneer??
21:35<bluemagicxp>Debian have very much Disk. So, i will download what disk?
21:36<lupine>CD1 for gnome; CD1-KDE for KDE
21:36<Guest1697>are you from united states???
21:36<chealer>bluemagicxp: the first one, if you only want one.
21:36<janrocks>blumagic: download the netinstall.iso
21:36<janrocks>or disk1 or daily build
21:36<lupine>netinstall is ~50? MB, plus is sucks loads off the internet
21:36<lupine>CD1 is 670MB or so
21:37<bluemagicxp>number of MB will download to my computer?
21:37<lupine>1.21 jiggabytes, at least
21:37<bluemagicxp>very much!
21:37<Guest1697>something please
21:37<Guest1697>giv eme somethign
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21:38[~]janrocks hands guest1607 a spoon
21:38[~]lupine /ignore'd quite a while ago ;)
21:39<chealer>bluemagicxp: it depends on what you choose to download
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21:40<amphi>!pony Guest1697
21:40[~]dpkg gives Guest1697 a pony
21:40<bluemagicxp>i will download it!
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21:42[~]lupine gives up on the 3vil mahjongg and goes to bed
21:43<Guest1697>how much does a system engeneer earn in US???
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21:44<chealer>Guest1697: sorry but this is offtopic on this channel.
21:44<Guest1697>how much does a system engeneer earn in US??
21:44<Guest1697>just this question
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21:51<lupine>int 80h? /me tries to remember what that does
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21:53<lupine>0x21 was always the one I remembered
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21:55<JAjja>hey guys..
21:55<lupine>oh, it's the unix version of 21h
21:55<lupine>much cool
21:56<JAjja>weird issue tonight
21:56<JAjja>and you won't believe that i am the boss of the comapny but i remmeber when i was younger we used IRC to hack satelite TV
21:57<JAjja>so i heard i could ask you guys on a what to do situation
21:57<JAjja>server is running debian (older kernal i think 2.6). when it boots up it goes to start mysqld and locks up
21:57<JAjja>no reponses, no errors, nothing. .any suggestions?
21:58<chealer>JAjja: did you try booting in single user mode?
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21:59<JAjja>how do you do that?
21:59<JAjja>trust me, i'm the boss of the company..
21:59<gsimmons>!single user mode
21:59<dpkg>single user mode is telinit 1, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. or reboot and choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu
21:59<JAjja>and my admins are not GURU's. (good help hard to find ya know)
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22:00<JAjja>the server doesn't allow us to enter anything
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22:01<JAjja>no chance to prompt to enter anything.. can i do this while its first turned on ?
22:01<chealer>JAjja: GRUB is the bootloader
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22:01<JAjja>lilo is our bootloader
22:01<chealer>well, yeah, lilo is a bootloader too
22:02<JAjja>so what shall i do guys?
22:03<JAjja>we turn it on, no prompts, starts to boot, then gets to mysqlld and locks up
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22:03<chealer>JAjja: lilo doesn't prompt you before booting Debian?
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22:04<JAjja>no prompt when the server is turned on
22:05<JAjja>instanously starts to boot debian
22:05<JAjja>any key combo to stop it ?
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22:05<chealer>JAjja: even if you stop the boot, it will already be booting in multiuser mode
22:06<JAjja>yeah.. thats been our issue. .figuring out how to get it to stop
22:06<JAjja>not boot right into debian once turned on
22:06<JAjja>or prior to debian.. prob ascript was setup by an old admin
22:07<JAjja>to have debian start out of the gate
22:07<chealer>JAjja: well, you may be able to replace your bootloader
22:09<JAjja>i see.. replace the boot loader
22:09<chealer>...if you have another boot media than the hard drive
22:09<kingsley>Is it OK to simply use the "mv" command to move an email out of a maildir directory, or is a special command needed to update some kind of maildir index?
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22:11<JAjja><chealer> ...if you have another boot media than the hard drive
22:11<JAjja>arturo do you have any other boot media
22:11<arturoa9876>I can get a rescue iso
22:11<arturoa9876>would that do it?
22:11<JAjja>or anyone knwo where to get it?
22:12<arturoa9876>we tried downloading a netinst iso for debian
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22:12<chealer>arturoa9876: assuming the rescue iso can install a bootloader, yeah...
22:12<arturoa9876>but went through the start up and looked like it was going to install over the current os
22:12<JAjja>guys, arturo is one of the admins of ours
22:12<chealer>arturoa9876: there netinst has a rescue mode
22:13<JAjja>i thinkj the former programmer setup this server to auto load the debian and start the servers (so it could be rebooted without user interaction)
22:13<arturoa9876>does it matter what version I get of the netinst?
22:13<JAjja>we know what version we running of debian ?
22:13<arturoa9876>the server is runnign debian 3.1
22:13<chealer>arturoa9876: no
22:14<arturoa9876>will itlook just as if I was installing the os from scratch?
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22:14<arturoa9876>that's what I saw today, so I stopped it
22:14<gsimmons>JAjja: IIRC, you can prevent LILO's default boot by pressing the SHIFT key, once you see the 'LILO' prompt. Then you can boot into single user mode as stated above.
22:15<JAjja>arturo: you see that?
22:15<arturoa9876>let me try that
22:15<JAjja>shift is our friend
22:15<chealer>arturoa9876: no, you should get a shell
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22:16<RottNE>brenden here
22:16<JAjja>ok once we get into single user mode. then you guys want to see a error log?
22:16<JAjja>to see why mysql is not starting?
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22:17<JAjja>guys, brenden is another admin of mine (new guy)
22:17<chealer>JAjja: if there are errors log, that can't hurt
22:17<JAjja>rottne = brenden
22:17<JAjja>ok i'll wait for arturo to see what he comes back with
22:17<JAjja>once we stop lilo, then what ?
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22:17<Mindtech>hey guys
22:17<chealer>!single user mode
22:17<dpkg>single user mode is telinit 1, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. or reboot and choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu
22:18<arturoa9876>shift is teh key
22:18<JAjja>so what next ?
22:18<chealer>JAjja: as the factoid says
22:18<arturoa9876>so what next?
22:18<arturoa9876>linux -e?
22:18<chealer>arturoa9876: "linux 1"
22:19<arturoa9876>this will load single user mode right?
22:19<arturoa9876>will this skip loading mysql?
22:19<chealer>arturoa9876: that's what the factoid says.
22:19<chealer>arturoa9876: yes
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22:19<JAjja>i like the factoid comments..
22:19<JAjja>something that goes in the john to read up on
22:19<JAjja>chealer is the man!!
22:20<arturoa9876>yeah, chealer, you da man
22:20<arturoa9876>i'm in
22:21<chealer>well, gsimmons is the one that provided the most helpful bit so far
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22:23<arturoa9876>well thanks
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23:24<kingsley>Does a plugin exist for Firefox that allows searching web pages for regular expressions?
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23:47<Requiem>there are definate issues with DVD playback in Lenny
23:48<streuner>Is there a questionmark missing or is that a statement?
23:49<Requiem>might be KMplayer specific I suppose, may have to try running xine through a different frontend
23:50<streuner>why using a frontend, just use xine itself
23:50<Requiem>wasn't aware i could
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23:53<Requiem>"Package xine has no installation candidate"
23:54<streuner>!info xine-ui testing
23:54<dpkg>xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.5-2+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1506 kB, Installed size: 3268 kB
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23:54<streuner>!tell Requiem about search
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23:55<Requiem>that's a frontend for xine, not xine itself
23:55<streuner>that's xine, what frontends uses is the xine-engine...
23:56<streuner>like totem for example...
23:56<Requiem>of course, I have xine already, just under a different name than what the xine page gives me
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23:57<chealer>streuner: xine refers to both the library (xine-lib) and one of its frontend (xine-ui).
23:58<Requiem>that one only completely maxed out my processor
23:58<streuner>apt-cache show libxine1 (if you want know better)
23:58<Requiem>and still was running jerky with bad color
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