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---Logopened Fri Aug 24 00:00:06 2007
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00:01<amphi>Requiem: what output driver are you using?
00:02<streuner>Requiem: did you read the URL above?
00:02<Requiem>part of it
00:02<streuner>"DVD playback section" is usually enough
00:04<streuner>libdvdcss isn't in Debian...
00:06<Requiem>it's in the Debian-multimedia repository
00:06<Requiem>I need lib-xine installed...
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00:07<Requiem>a) Why didn't that get autoinstalled wiith xine-ui?
00:07<Requiem>and b)
00:07<Requiem>what the heck is KMplayer using
00:07<streuner>i guess mplayer
00:08<Requiem>nope, it says it's using xiine
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00:08<Requiem>and mPlayer doesn't support DVD menus
00:08<Requiem>KMplayer is doing that right now
00:09<Requiem>okay, I have no Xvideo support in my graphics...
00:09[~]Requiem sighs
00:09<Requiem>I may need to go to unstable to get this MB to work
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00:14<dieguito>hey, anyone that knows libapt-pkg around?
00:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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00:19<dieguito>oh ok, shame on me, I'm in a situation where I have a pkgRecords::Parser and I need to get the package name, the architecture and the version -i suppose- from that Parser. ideas?
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01:16<kop>I just decided to try KDE and it's using ~48% of my cpu (on a dual cpu system). But top does not show much cpu utilization in it's process listing. What's using the cpu? And how would I get back the kde wizard tht lets me fiddle with how much cpu the eyecandy uses?
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01:19<yang>kop: when its idle it shoul use 0%cpu
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01:20<chuy_max>are posftfix users the same as unix users?
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01:21<kop>yang: Yeah. I see <10% going to various processes but top shows close to 50% user usage.
01:21<kop>chuy_max: As in picking up/receiving mail? That depends on how you set it up.
01:23<chuy_max>kop I'm not sure, I followed a tutorial, it connects and give me proper hello messages when I telnet port 25, I tried to set my client in evolution but login fails using my unix username and passwd
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01:26<kop>chuy_max: So, you want to send mail with smtp auth using TLS and when you try your username and password does not work, right?
01:27<kop>chuy_max: You'd probably be better off reading the readmes that come with Debian. Install the postfix-doc package and look there.
01:29<kop>chuy_max: (There's also a README.Debian in the postfix package.)
01:29<chealer>kop: $ kpersonalizer
01:29<chuy_max>I will take a look at it
01:33<kop>chealer: Thanks. (I poked it with a stick and something is still sucking cpu. I wonder if it has to do with just now upgrading from sarge, somehow.)
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01:34<c0rnd0g>i gotta tell ya: you'z is some smart peoples. dis Linux thang and dat Debian thing (i pronounce dat French right?) is some smart moves against little cubicle penises. Hail W from Amerika! :D take care and God Bless.
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01:36<pablum>ah, :)
01:36<c0rnd0g>but how come everytime i got to #debian-fr on FreeNode dey so smart dey know I am lame with bot? damn dose French are smart :D
01:37<c0rnd0g>pablum: and my dichotomy is: I need pure German yet everyone here eats French food!!! :D wtf happened to my Germanic roots of Louisiana??? lol.... :)
01:37<c0rnd0g>i mean need/am
01:37<pablum>du kannst mich mal
01:37<c0rnd0g>die krutch ahm krippled :D
01:38<c0rnd0g>Autechre conditioned movement for atmospheric fluctuations ... :D pablum :)
01:39<c0rnd0g>pablum: alot of us still here in La believe it or not, Ark too but hey Ark gives too much money to the Chinese! :( jk...sry to da Chinese, now where's my deep fried Cat! :D
01:39<c0rnd0g>pablum: us=Germans
01:39<chuy_max>is there a pine clone in linux?
01:40<c0rnd0g>i bet with seet aged Oak Wine Vinegar it's not too bad...if you cut the ... off...
01:40<c0rnd0g>yeah: mutt
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01:40<pablum>chuy_max, I googled pine and linux and the first link...
01:41<chuy_max>I was hoping it was in repositories
01:41<pablum>maybe in not-free
01:41<chuy_max>I will take a look at alpine, or other clients
01:42<pablum>they have a deb...
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01:44<gsimmons>!tell chuy_max -about pine
01:44<gsimmons>chuy_max: You'll need to build your own package.
01:45<pablum>or you can get the deb from "i feel lucky" on google (pine linux)
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01:50<gsimmons>pablum: The .deb at the University of Washington? That was built for Woody.
01:50<mname>sorry... i'm new in debian... ii use vpn connection... i can't resolve dns automatically, and i write them manually in resolv.conf.... how can i resolve them automatically?
01:50<pablum>eh... oops
01:50<pablum>woody? sheesh
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02:02<WildOS>err.. to get my gcc project to compile, I had to comment out all info, man and texi stuff. What might be causing this?
02:03<tcsetattr>you don't have the proper tex tools?
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02:05<WildOS>tcsetattr: aha.. what tex tools would I typically need?
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02:08<tcsetattr>see if "apt-get build-dep gcc" would be a good start
02:08<tcsetattr>even though it's not your version... the basic tools will be similar
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02:10<WildOS>tcsetattr: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../gcc/doc/include/gcc-common.texi', needed by `'. Stop.
02:11<WildOS>tcsetattr: still the same.. every time I comment something out, I get a new one like the above
02:12<mname>sorry... i'm new in debian... ii use vpn connection... i can't resolve dns automatically, and i write them manually in resolv.conf.... how can i resolve them automatically?
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02:12<mname>can somebody help me please?
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02:13<predder>I get special characters in the place of certain chars in program output and man pages ssh'ing into a box with 3 different ssh programs (including one on tty), any ideas?
02:13<tcsetattr>you don't have gcc-common.texi?
02:13<predder>the problem is on my box though because someone else SSH'd into the box and didn't get those special characters
02:15<Eulex>predder, the target machine uses an utf8 locale while you don't?
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02:16<predder>i checked my locales and I am running en_au.UTF8 on my local machine as well as the server
02:17<Eulex>what characters are affected?
02:17<tcsetattr>does the remove have en_au.UTF8 locale installed? run locale -a
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02:17<predder>Eulex, I think single quotes, hold on i'll find out
02:18<predder>tcsetattr, by remove did you mean remote?
02:18<tcsetattr>uh, yes, remote :)
02:18<tcsetattr>the other machine where you're having trouble.
02:19<tcsetattr>if you ask for UTF-8, you can get all kinds of funky quotes.
02:19<predder>actually, my local machine doesn't have UTF-8? I thought it did because it was the only option ticked when I did dpkg-reconfigure locales
02:19<predder>but the locale -a output says otherwise
02:20<tcsetattr>check /etc/locale.gen
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02:20<WildOS>tcsetattr, could it be that I have to rerun configure, if I was missing tex tools when running it the first time? It is generating the makefile, right?
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02:21<entuall>mname, if you use resolvconf, you can write them in /etc/network/interfaces eventually
02:22<predder>tcsetattr, should the first line of that file be the default locale to use?
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02:23<tcsetattr>there is no "default" locale - it's per-user, and per-process really. the LANG and related environment variables
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02:34<predder>tcsetattr, when running dpkg-reconfigure locales i'm asked which I would like to make the "default" locale
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02:35<tcsetattr>well it's certainly overridable with LANG anyway
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02:37<chuy_max>is there a way to make mails sent with postfix to not be recognized as junk mail by hotmail?
02:37<chuy_max>eg, using ssl, tls or another way that is not putting my mail in hotmail contacts
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02:38<tcsetattr>ask a spammer, they're the ones who know best how to get around spam filters
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02:40<chuy_max>haha, I don't know many
02:40<WildOS>After getting this error: "xgcc: /tmp/build/src/gcc-3.4/libobjc/linking.m: Objective-C compiler not installed on this system" I did an apt-get install gobjc, but still I get the same error!?
02:42<predder>I just ensured box boxes had the right UTF8 locale, set the LANG in my .bashrc, started a new shell, checked env | grep LANG was correct, ssh'd into the box and had the same issue. I get little a's with backticks above them instead of single quotes in man pam :(
02:42<tcsetattr>that doesn't look like an error message to me. looks like it's informing you that it has decided not to build the objc compiler
02:42<predder>I thought perhaps it was x by tty2 has the same issue :( Do I need to reboot after changing locales?
02:42<cyc>I'm suddelnly getting "selakm SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed" in my logfiles ... but, the trouble is - configuration hasn't been changed and I don't get this error every time someone checks mail ... "sometimes" ... has anyone got a clue what's the problem? :S
02:43<tcsetattr>predder, those ARE the utf8 quotes! you just aren't viewing them in a utf8 terminal
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02:44<WildOS>tcsetattr, but on the following line I get this: make[1]: *** [linking.lo] Error 1
02:44<predder>tcsetattr, I see. I'll try restarting x
02:45<WildOS>I believe them to be connected as linking.m was printed on the line before (pasted above)
02:45<tcsetattr>ok then, maybe it is an error. do you really want the objc compiler? things will be simpler if you restrict the building to the languages you want.
02:45<tcsetattr>seems like you're spending a lot of effort on your quest to go back in time. is it going to be worth it?
02:47<WildOS>tcsetattr: It is not my fault, mingw 5.2.1 for win32 does not support gcc 4... I'm trying to build a cross compiler following some undetailed guide :(
02:47<tcsetattr>what gcc version is this? if it's newer than 2.6.3 it ain't much of a time travel experiment :)
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02:47<tcsetattr>all this for some windoze shit?!
02:47<WildOS>hehe.. yes =)
02:48<gsimmons>chuy_max: You'd have to ask Hotmail. But if you're not sending external messages via your ISP's smarthost, reconfigure Postfix accordingly. Hotmail might be categorizing the messages as spam if your IP address is dynamically assigned and that IP range is listed in a policy block list (eg. Spamhaus PBL).
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02:49<WildOS>and btw it's gcc 3.4
02:49<gsimmons>chuy_max: Or your server is emitting a bogus HELO/EHLO, etc.
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02:56<WildOS>ehh.. what is xgcc?
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03:03<Manyu>who can help me with my vpn connection? i cant resolve dns automatically.
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03:21<Manyu>can u help me with my vpn connection? i dont know how to resolve dns automaticaly
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03:22<dbldtx>I'm using 2.6 gigs for Gnome Only... is this normal or would a fresh install take me lower?
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03:36<Metalqga>it's not normal
03:37<shooter>hi everyone!
03:37<shooter>who speaks in russian?
03:38<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:38<Metalqga>or just putin
03:38<shooter>thank you
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03:55<dbldtx>chilling @ console, can't reinstall Deb until roomate leaves for work (nabbing myself the non-usb keyboard)
03:55<dbldtx>Is there any way I can make my usb keyboard recognized @ boot?
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04:03<Metalqga>and why do you have to wait your roomate to leave?
04:04<dondelelcaro>dbldtx: there's no reason why it shouldn't be, unless your bios doesn't support usb keyboards
04:04<dondelelcaro>(some early machines only support usb keyboards in some ports, though)
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04:07<dbldtx>Alright thanks.
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04:07<dbldtx>Metalqga; He's sleeping. Leaves for work in 1 hour = I can borrow his 9-pin keyboard
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04:08<Metalqga>does he sleep with his keyboard under the pillow?
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04:15<KaiSVK>hi all
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04:27<indraveni>hi all
04:27<indraveni>I want to add an icon in the navigation area of my panel, on which when i click will execute a shell script program for me
04:27<indraveni>how can i do that
04:27<indraveni>help needed please
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04:28<Metalqga>gnome panel?
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04:30<indraveni>Metalqga, yes
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04:32<Metalqga>add custom applications launcher
04:32<Metalqga>where the command stands you type the path to the script
04:32<Metalqga>you might choose a lovely icon below
04:32<Metalqga>also the script must be executable
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04:38<indraveni>Metalqga, thankyou for this
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04:40<indraveni>Metalqga, but I want to create a debian package for my script which adds an icon in the navigation area
04:41<indraveni>so how can i do that
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04:51<dbldtx_>Does this sound correct? amd-i386 etch 4.0r1 netinstall with option "install tasks=xfce-desktop" at boot, my only question is: is xfce a window manager or a window environment, and since I'm in console only - what's the difference?
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04:54<Aleric>dbldtx_: It's a desktop environment, not just a window manager. It's like gnome or KDE I'd guess.
04:56<dbldtx_>Aw, great. Just what I wanted to hear. I just got off lackbox/fuxbox... configuring them with icons, picking a decent FM was just too much work for such a crappy (BUT FAST! interface)
04:56<dbldtx_>Really looking to get rid of gdm and kdm and have xfce
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04:59<phoohb>Hello Debian folks! I accidental erased a config-file ( /etc/apache2/apache.conf ), that belonged to package apache2.2-common. But, now I cant find any way to reinstall it. (I have tried "apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common" , and "dpkg-reconfigure apache2.2-common" BUT none of these commands reinstalled the config-file) Any ideer???
04:59<kzar>I have mdadm software raid working and have been testing it to see what happens when drives are lost and things. I have one queston though, supposing 1 of the 3 drives in my raid5 dies. I would power down the pc take the faulty drive out and replace it with a new one. Problem is how would I know which physical drive to remove? Supposing I guessed and removed one of the two remaining working ones, the raid wouldn't have enough working drives left and data would be
04:59<marsu>phoohb: did you try apt-get remove --purge apache*
04:59<marsu>phoohb: then reinstall it ?
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05:00<Aleric>That would remove all other config files too
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05:00<phoohb>marsu: many other packages depends on it, soo I dont wanto remove it
05:00<marsu>phoohb: then I guess you just have to download the .deb file, then extract the files inside to get your .conf back ?
05:00<phoohb>Maybe there are a way to "force" removal of only one single package??
05:00<gsimmons>!tell phoohb -about confmiss
05:01<Aleric>phoohb: Which distribution are you using?
05:01<phoohb>Aleric: Test
05:01<Metalqga>there is a program called foremost
05:01<Aleric>/etc/apache2/apache.conf doesn't exist here..
05:01<Metalqga>brings back erased files
05:01<phoohb>marsu: That Isnt a bad Ideer..
05:01<Metalqga>it's in the repository
05:01<Aleric>Err well
05:02<Aleric>I have /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
05:02<phoohb>Aleric: yes, thats the one
05:02<marsu>etc/apache2/apache2.conf net/apache2.2-common
05:03<Aleric>Reinstall apache2.2-common
05:03<phoohb>Aleric: I run apt-get source apache2.2-common, and get the source. (and hope that ....
05:03<marsu>why the source ???
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05:03<marsu>phoohb: when you use apt-get, the .deb files are stored in a cache dir
05:03<marsu>I reckon it's /var/lib/apt/cache/archive
05:03<marsu>or something like that
05:03<marsu>you should fild the .deb file inside
05:04<phoohb>yea okay, thx..
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05:05<marsu>Aleric: read, I didn't find it on my HD XD
05:05<marsu>your's faaaaaaaar better ^^
05:05<phoohb>Then its apache2-mpm mpm... strange stuff (a big fuzz, I dont anderstand why not dpkg-reconfigure handle it)
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05:06<oddtod>hey guys whats up i was wondering what would cause a box not to broadcast its hostname when i do a hostname it comes up with the correct hostname but when i try and resolve it it won't come up by hostname just ip and on the router it doesn't have a hostname
05:08<Aleric>oddtod: 'hostname' looks in /etc/hosts (which normally wouldn't contain your hostname, but ok)
05:08<Aleric>Hmm -- 'normally' if you are using a masquerading firewall that is. It would if you are directly on the internet of course.
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05:09<oddtod>well i'm using a masquerading firewall, but everyother machine is working fine
05:09<oddtod>its a mixed enviroment but other nix boxes are doing as they need be
05:10<oddtod>and windows boxes but win boxes don't really effect it
05:10<Aleric>Seems your reverse DNS for that box is not correct then. That has nothing to do with your box, but with your dns server (probably run by your provider)
05:11<marsu>oddtod: if your network isn't too wide, perhaps it would be better not to spend hours on this problem, but rather to type the adress/host of the computers belonging to your network in /etc/hosts
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05:12<Aleric> <-- that is the box?
05:12<oddtod>on port 80 yeah
05:12<Aleric> domain name pointer
05:13<Aleric>Resolves fine here
05:13<marsu>same here
05:13<oddtod>no inside the network
05:13<marsu>oddtod: how many computers do you have on this network ?
05:13<oddtod>like i can't ping filebox(hostname of the box) and resolve it
05:13<oddtod>uhh 5-6
05:13<oddtod>laptops come in and out
05:14<marsu>hmmm :/
05:14<oddtod>why that face?
05:14<Aleric>marsu: Maybe the dns server that you are using needs to be updated - try again tomorrow before trying worrying.
05:14<marsu>Aleric: by 'same here', I meant 'it works' ;)
05:14<marsu>ok :p
05:14<marsu>oddtod: what's the DNS server you're using ?
05:14<oddtod>yeah its been going on for a while
05:15<oddtod>Clarkconnect is acting as the DNS
05:15<marsu>what's Clarkconnect ? O_o
05:15<oddtod>but i'm using for a global dns some Dway DNS
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05:15<oddtod>its a router software built on linux
05:15<oddtod>i think it just uses bind9
05:15<Aleric>I have a problem that hosts that I am using a lot (like 5 minutes ago as part of an url) are not resolved. Firefox times out on the page, and when I then retry, it just works.
05:16<Aleric>This is very annoying, because firefox manages to freeze my whole desktop while doing that, and I am daytrading shares ... where every second counts :p
05:16<oddtod>see heres the issue i don't think the machine is even broadcasting it because Clarkconnect just list it like this *
05:17<nitalaut>hello guys
05:17<oddtod>and everyother machine says the host name under the star
05:17<marsu>oddtod: well, you found the cause then ^^
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05:17<marsu>nitalaut: hello
05:17<nitalaut>does anyone know how to force mrtg to bypass errors when it is not able to connect to one of the monitored targets ?
05:18<oddtod>yeah i just don't know WHY its not broadcasting
05:18<petemc>dhclient has a send host-name option
05:18<marsu>oddtod: to be honest, if the OS is linux, I don't know but I am interested in the answer. If it's Windows, I don't even wanna hear about it :p
05:19<marsu>windows has a tendency to generate problems without any cause...
05:20<oddtod>no its a nix box thats the main reason i want to figure it out cause i just want to be able to type filebox in for putty
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05:20<petemc>oddtod: /etc/dhclient.conf
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05:22<oddtod>petemc which box do you want me to edit that on the filebox it self?
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05:24<petemc>oddtod: yes
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05:26<oddtod>petemc: do i have to restart a service?
05:27<petemc>bring the interface down and backup
05:28<oddtod>damn you only connection to the machine is ssh HAHA
05:28<petemc>well, you'll want it to ask for a dhcp address again
05:29<oddtod>that worked perfectly
05:29<oddtod>you're the man sir thank you for yourhelp
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05:32<zloi_diman>a gde ty mogno voprosi pozadovat' russkim?
05:32<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
05:33<zloi_diman>thenks )
05:33<oddtod>petemc: helping out all the peoples tonight
05:33<petemc>its 11:30 am here :)
05:34<oddtod>so petemc what does the hostname file do?..... its 3:30AM here where are you?
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05:34<Samika>May somone help?
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05:35<oddtod>just ask your question
05:35<petemc>oddtod: it tells your dhcpclient to pass a hostname when requesting an ip
05:35<Samika>I have upgraded aptiyude to the unstable version and now after reboot wha i only get is the shell(no x server)
05:35<petemc>oddtod: im in belfast
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05:35<lupine>Samika: what video card?
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05:35<bad_brain>hey everybody...;) can anybody tell me what happened with the Lenny network installer iso images? seems they are not available anymore...:/
05:35<Samika>geforce 6600gt
05:36<lupine>and your kernel version?
05:36<Samika>maybe your right cause after aptitude upgrade i got now two kernel version to choose at grub level
05:36<Samika>22.1 and 18.sthing
05:36<seanius>Samika: if you were using the proprietary nvidia drivers you might need to double check that the new ones for your new kernel got installed
05:36<lupine>you just need to reinstall the nvidia kernel drivers
05:36<oddtod>looks nice there in belfast except you guys tend to hate us americans
05:37<Samika>how do i do seanius
05:37<oddtod>or we tend to piss you off HAHA
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05:37<lupine>although ISTR there being some problems compiling the drivers for that kernel version ?
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05:37<Samika>cause i have downloaded the last ones, but he say that theres a problem with kernel modules dunno what and he refuses to go on with the install.
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05:37<seanius>Samika: what's uname -r say
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05:38<lupine>to get back X quickly, change the Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
05:38<seanius>^^^ whcih will let you use synaptic if you're more comfortable with that
05:38<Samika>seanius im not on linux right now
05:38<Samika>im on win
05:38<lupine>My condolences
05:38<Samika>after i d be able to upgrade the nvidia through x11?
05:38<oddtod>jeez lupine with the harsh ness
05:39<lupine>Samika: the nvidia drivers won't compile with the lenny kernel
05:39<lupine>blame it on
05:39<lupine>what I did was install the sid kernel
05:39<Samika>lupine explain please ima windows noob
05:39<lupine>the lenny kernel has an option enabled that makes the nvidia drivers incompatible
05:39[~]seanius is using the latest kernel + nvidia w/out problems (or at least w/out problems that were already there)
05:40<Samika>is nvidia cards that rare to be unsupported?
05:40<lupine>seanius: It's the specific one in lenny. Upstream enabled an option to do with paravirtualisation, and it conflicts with nvidia (in a legal, not technical, sense)
05:40<lupine>so gcc refuses to compile it
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05:41<lupine>upgrade to the sid kernel (2.6.22-1)
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05:41<lupine>then you can install the nvidia drivers
05:41<Samika>so you mean i have a bad graphics card or is it something other?
05:41<lupine>it's a bad kernel
05:41<oddtod>whats the legal issue if you know lupine?
05:41<Samika>how do i lupine?
05:41<lupine>oddtod: gpl code gets included in the proprietary driver
05:41<seanius>but 2.6.22 is from unstable, not lenny, so Samika shouldn't be having that problem
05:41<Samika>and dont blame me but i thought i told you that it was already 22.1 option at the beginning
05:42<lupine>the problem is in the lenny kernel. the fix is upgrading to .22
05:42<Samika>im not sure but i think seanius isnt wrong
05:42<lupine>Samika: you won't have .22 if you're in testing; it'll be .21
05:42<oddtod>is intel the only company currently releasing full source for drivers?
05:42<Samika>i type aptitude upgrade, and thats it?
05:42<lupine>Samika: no
05:43<seanius>06:35 < Samika> I have upgraded aptiyude to the unstable version and now after reboot wha i only get is the shell(no x server)
05:43<seanius>lupine: ^^^
05:43<lupine>oh, unstable rather than testing
05:43<oddtod>i got so lucky with my laptop being a full intel machine Video / Wifi / chipset all intel which makes it nice for the linux world
05:43<Samika>some pal told me to do it
05:43<Samika>he told me unstable isnt that unstable
05:44<seanius>Samika: it's not that bad really, but something like this really can't be avoided
05:44<seanius>or that's not completely true, but this is hopefully a pretty easy fix anyway
05:44<Samika>what do you mean seainiis? that unstable version is what makes my graphics card unoperative?
05:45<seanius>Samika: i'm guessing you upgraded to a new kernel version but didn't install an upgraded driver for the new kernel version
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05:45<Samika>ahhhhhhhhh yeah the linux pal told me to upgrad eit also
05:45<Samika>but i only upgrade and thats it?
05:46<lupine>well, the driver should compile for that kernel version
05:46<lupine>you, um, do have the kernel headers installed, right.
05:46<seanius>i don't think there's a pre-packaged version, so you need to fetch/compile/install it
05:46<lupine>seanius: in unstable, m-a should be able to deal with it
05:46<Samika>i dont understand shit to what your saying(im a win user remeber)
05:46<Samika>headers like in c programs?
05:46<lupine>yes. like in c programs, like the kernel
05:47<Samika>i get the beta drivers instead of stable ones (
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05:47<lupine>get whatever you like
05:47<Samika>m-a? ok
05:47<Samika>i write thsi off paper
05:47<lupine>no point if you're using the beta drivers
05:47<seanius>Samika: you can get the full story at
05:47<lupine>just apt-get install linux-headers-2.6 then run the installer if you want the beta drivers
05:48<lupine>I'm going to *assume* you've got build-essential installed?
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05:48<Samika>i assume aptitude full-upgrade installed them for me
05:48<seanius>Samika: particularly the section called "Use module-assistant"
05:48<lupine>not if they weren't installed before
05:49<lupine>m-a is cool, but it won't give you 1337 beta drivers
05:49<Samika>brb toilet
05:49<lupine>brb 12 hours of fun#
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05:52<Samika>btw i dont care about leet drivers
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05:52<Samika>im talking about beta cause you seemed to tell me that it was a version incompatibility
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05:55<seanius>Samika: for starters try the four commands or so listed in the section of the document i mentioned to you, and then reboot
05:55<Samika>teh (x doesn star" section?
05:55<Samika>x doesn statrt*
05:55<seanius>no, the "Use module-assistant"
05:56<seanius>if you were using this driver before, then that's really the only thing you should need to do
05:57<Samika>btw could you tell em teh difference apt-get and aptitude?
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05:57<Samika>and why does the doc tell me to sue apt-get instead of aptitude
05:58<gsimmons>!why aptitude
05:58<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
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06:00<Samika>!why apt-get
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06:00<marsu>a meaningful silence....
06:00<Samika>!why xorg
06:00<seanius>cuz its simpler and some people like it better
06:00<seanius>apt-get that is
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06:01<seanius>Samika: you could use aptitude instead of apt-get in this case and it would do the same thing
06:01<Samika>so i can
06:01<berat>i have problem about gnome-art
06:01<Samika>i found thsi page: you think itll cur emy pc?
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06:02<seanius>no, i think that's only for 2.6.21, what lupine was talking about with lenny
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06:02<seanius>just do the steps above and report back :)
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06:03<berat>when i am opening gnome-art from normal user
06:03<berat>and downloading something
06:03<WildOS>I finally manged building a cross compiler targeting win32. But when I try using the toolchain I get the following: /tmp/build3$ /tmp/build3/mingw/bin/i686-pc-mingw32-g++ -o nisse.exe main.cpp
06:03<WildOS>/tmp/build3/mingw/lib/gcc/i686-pc-mingw32/3.4.2/../../../../i686-pc-mingw32/bin/ld: crt2.o: No such file: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. Why should I need crt2.o!?
06:03<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
06:04<berat>fallowing error occurs
06:04<berat>but f i open gnome-art from root and downloading something
06:05<berat>no error occur
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06:05<berat>why is there an idea?
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06:06<Samika>i have to eat now but i ll try it later
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06:06<Samika>seanius one lasdt thing: i have to do all teh steps through conigure x to use nvidia card and install kernel module?
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06:11<fxiny>right : apt-cache show simba . iceweasel homepage url , yes ? good . now click on faq and tell me if i'm drunk or they are owned or what else ?
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06:12<fxiny>i will never ever install such a "thing"
06:13<seanius>Samika: what is the output of grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:15<seanius>fxiny: it's a wiki, just wiki spam
06:16<fxiny>seanius: right . i'm browsing it
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06:18<Zathras>Samika, do you have the same problem as I do? Excessive memory usage of regular RAM vy (like 80%+ on a 2 GB PC)?
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06:32<Samika>in fatc i cant even get an error message it prompt me the login before
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06:32<Samika>seanius youre here?
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06:32<Samika>can someone tell me is there a command line irc client on linux?
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06:33<Stere0>I have this box where the / was full. Some file had grown in /root
06:33<Stere0>I rm'd it, but the df -h won't update
06:33<Stere0>what could that be?
06:34<Stere0>the partition is in xfs, I'm running oldstable
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06:35<Stere0>file descriptors still open?
06:35<marsu>Stere0: lsof ?
06:35<seanius>Stere0: if there is a process with the file still open then yes that will be a problem
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06:36<Stere0>yeah, that was it
06:36<Stere0>kill -9 `lsof /root | awk '{print $2}'` # nuke everything from space, it's the only way to be sure
06:37<marsu>hmmmmmmm :p
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06:37<marsu>do you know of a word to mean "efficient" and "barbaric" at the same time ? XD
06:38<marsu>there's one in french I'd love to know how to translate ;)
06:38<marsu>pretty hard to use in a common conversation :p
06:38<Stere0>j'ai fait un killnine sur mon slashroute
06:39<marsu>Stere0: comment tu dis "bourrin" en anglais ?
06:39<Stere0>yeah, people look at you in a weird way
06:39<Stere0>like when I use xor in daily conversations
06:39<Stere0>"lemon xor milk, grandma?"
06:39<marsu>how the hell can you manage to do that ?
06:39<marsu>well, ok XD
06:40<Stere0>I can't think of an exact translation for bourrin
06:40<marsu>ungrateful grandson... what if I want *both* ?
06:40<marsu>such a word in unavoidable
06:40<Stere0>the lemon makes the milk coagulate
06:41<marsu>there *has* to be one
06:41<marsu>"I took both even before your own mother came to life, just *do* it !!"
06:41<Stere0>try it
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06:42<Stere0>of course, tea should be black. If you need to add something to make it drinkable, it isn't proper tea.
06:42<rudenstam>I'm wondering what kind of network device sip0 is ?
06:43<Stere0>that looks familiar, a tunnel?
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06:43<rudenstam>Stere0: if talking to me... no...
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06:46<Stere0>ah no, sit0 would be
06:46<seanius>Samika: yes, but at $work so maybe not too responsive
06:46<Stere0>somehow, sip0 reminds me of bsd
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06:46<shooter>gutten tag
06:46<shooter>gitler kaput
06:46<Samika>do uou know a commadnline irc client
06:46<Samika>for linux
06:47<Stere0>Samika: irssi
06:47<rudenstam>irssi rocks
06:47<rudenstam>Stere0: it might be sit0... was over the cellphone and no killer connection... but there should be tunnel of any kind as the box is newly installed
06:47[~]seanius uses irssi + screen
06:47<Stere0>rudenstam: maybe some kind of fancy ethernet card
06:47<seanius>Samika: did it work?
06:47<Samika>im on win right now
06:47<rudenstam>Stere0: unlikely as it's old hardware.. thanks anyway though
06:48<Samika>thats why i asked you a command line irc so i could talk to you while on linux
06:48<rudenstam>Samika: so putty somewhere :)
06:48<Samika>cuase xorg doesnt work
06:48<Stere0>fancy at the time :)
06:48<seanius>Samika: ah, so you're thinking ahead. that's more than i usually manage :)
06:48<Stere0>could it be optical?
06:48<Samika>seanius its because
06:48<rudenstam>Stere0: no.. just one single ethernet connection
06:48<Samika>its quite long to do all teh commands
06:48<rudenstam>seanius: hehe :)
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06:49<Samika>and on top fo this i had to restart comp to win state in order to repsond you:(
06:49<shooter>ýé âû îëåíè òóïûå
06:49<dpkg>I'm not your fucking csh prompt.
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06:49<seanius>bad dpkg, bad bad dpkg
06:49<Samika>sit dpkg
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06:50<rudenstam>Stere0: I got no idea what card it is.. and it didn't want to come up last night (no dhcp discoveries)... and it complained about something with the sip0... so no access at the moment..
06:50<dpkg>I'm not your fucking csh prompt.
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06:50<rudenstam>guess I'll come back when I know more
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06:51<Samika>seanius its better than bitch x and lrcll?
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06:52<Stere0>irssi > bitchx > ircii
06:52<seanius>i guess... there's a certain level of subjectiveness though
06:53<Stere0>no, it's objective
06:54<petemc>it takes a special kind of arrogance to believe that because you prefer something its absolutely "better"
06:54<Samika>irssi the best ever then bitchx?whats so great about issi?
06:54<Stere0>I'm sure you'd find mostly irssi if you were daring enough to CTCP Version the channel
06:54<berto>i switched to irssi after years using bitchx
06:54<Samika>and can i switch from irssi to lynx or shell in real time or i shouldnt be dreaming?
06:54<Stere0>petemc: it's the other way around - I switched because irssi was absolutely better :)
06:54<petemc>thats what screen is for
06:55<Stere0>irssi, for example, doesn't display all your channels in one window like bitchx does
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06:55<petemc>Stere0: i myself use irssi, and would tell people it is indeed a fantastic client - but i wouldnt presume to tell anyone whats best for them
06:56<Samika>how do i swithc fom irssi to lynx and vice versa?
06:56<Samika>ima novie
06:56<Stere0>petemc: I'm pulling your leg
06:56<petemc>Samika: read up on screen
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06:56<petemc>Stere0: ah, right - nice one :)
06:56<Stere0>seconding petemc on screen, but here's a concrete example
06:56<Samika>petemc: whn i ask what is the best, i implicitely ask for their favorite irc client
06:57<Stere0>you launch screen, and get a shell prompt
06:57<Stere0>you've now got one 'window' in your screen
06:57<Stere0>you launch irssi in it
06:57<Samika>screen is a program?
06:57<Stere0>you then type ctrl-a c
06:57<Samika>linux is better than i thought ctually
06:58<Stere0>this creates a new 'window'
06:58<Samika>ok i come bakc in linux irssi
06:58<Samika>see you right way
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06:58<Stere0>and that's the end of the lesson, don't forget your homework
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07:18<Mindtech>hey guys
07:18<Mindtech>Anyone use Lenny regularly?
07:18<dererk>I do, why?
07:19<Mindtech>Wondering whether or not I should go from Etch to Lenny
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07:20<marsu>hmmm... I beg your pardon for asking, but could you tell me what Lenny actually is ?
07:20<Mindtech>Lenny is the current "testing" branch of Debian
07:21<WildOS> Mindtech: I have tested it using debootstrap and chroot, looks okay =)
07:21<Mindtech>Etch is considered the current "stable" branch of Debian
07:21<dpkg>well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
07:21<WildOS>Couldn't find any bugs
07:21<WildOS>during my tests
07:21<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
07:21<Mindtech>I found a bug in etch (openoffice base) and I'm hoping its resolved in Lenny
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07:21<marsu>okokok ;) thank you !
07:22<seanius>Mindtech: it's also possible to run mixed stable/testing so that you only pull openoffice+its dependencies from lenny
07:22<Mindtech>Oh really?
07:23<seanius>or possibly use a backport from if it exists
07:24<Mindtech>From my understanding, Lenny is quite stable
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07:24[~]seanius runs unstable and finds it not to unstable
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07:25<seanius>it's not so bad, as long as you tread lightly and don't try to force apt/dpkg into doing something it doesn't want to do
07:26<Mindtech>I know if I want JRE6, I need to be in unstable
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07:26<seanius>it looks like ahs at least openoffice 2.2.0-6
07:26<Mindtech>I'd rather be in testing as opposed to unstable
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07:27<seanius>fair enough
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07:30<shawn>i had to su to install irssi
07:30<shawn>and then irssi logges me as root
07:30<shawn>linux is weird
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07:31<azeem_>shawn: you can use sudo to run apt-get
07:31<azeem_>no need for a root shell
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07:31<dpkg>from memory, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or
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07:31<azeem>4:30 < azeem_> shawn: you can use sudo to run apt-get
07:31<azeem>14:30 < azeem_> no need for a root shell
07:31<dpkg>it has been said that sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or
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07:33<shawn_>how do i open anew window in screen?
07:33<azeem>shawn: ask the channel, not people
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07:34<shawn_>so i ask the channel:)
07:34<azeem>did you check the screen documentation?
07:35<azeem>hit "ctrl-a ?" for an overview of screen key combinations
07:36<seanius>shawn_: after installing screen as root, you need to exit the root shell before launching screen
07:36<dererk>Mindtech, works marvellous for me
07:36<seanius>or use sudo as zeem mentioned
07:36<shawn_>i didnt so i got rammed by obnoxious ppl on teh debian french channel:(
07:36<dererk>about 30% less problems than when using Etch as testing
07:36<azeem>sucks to be french
07:36<Mindtech>dererk, thanks :D
07:36<azeem>on Debian IRC at least ;)
07:37<seanius>c'est dommage
07:37<tiCo>j'ai compris ce mot :D
07:37<shawn_>why does my nick has an underscore?
07:38<shawn_>ah ok so does anyone here, knows a internet radio player for commadnline?
07:38<shawn_>whats your favorite?
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07:38<shawn_>and a live messenger for comandline
07:38<azeem>you can use bitlbee with irssi e.g.
07:39<shawn_>great, but how do i?
07:39<azeem>read up on it
07:39<shawn_>thanks a lot azeem
07:39<azeem>shawn: what IRC client are you using?
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07:40<shawn_>people advised me to use it before
07:40<azeem>so you just need to install bitlbee and read up on that
07:40<azeem>you can use bitlbee with any IRC client anyway
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07:40<shawn_>its a server program so i should better connect to a server right?
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07:40<shawn_>instead of dl it?
07:41<Mindtech>How do I determine what video driver I am using with etch?
07:41<azeem>shawn: most people run bitlbee on their own machine I think
07:41<azeem>shawn: it's pretty easy, I wouldn't trust bitlbee servers on the internet personnally for my icq password
07:41<shawn_>mmh ok
07:41<seanius>Mindtech: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:41<shawn_>i tihnk your right
07:41<dpkg>[bitlbee] an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client!, or /connect ; type `help'
07:41<shawn_>but i have to do sudo again?
07:42<azeem>shawn: maybe you can try first to get a hang
07:42<azeem>shawn: yes
07:42<shawn_>and you knwo an internet radio?
07:42<seanius>Mindtech: and there will also probably be a kernel driver installed
07:42<shawn_>mmhm ok
07:42<Mindtech>Well it says "ati"
07:42<Mindtech>So I guess I'm good
07:42<shawn_>how do i open anew screen please?
07:42<azeem>shawn: a new screen in screen?
07:43<azeem>ctrl+a c
07:43<dpkg>rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or or at or aptitude install screen
07:43<shawn_>doesnt work O.o
07:44<seanius>shawn_: you have to run screen first
07:44<shawn_>lol seanius
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07:44<shawn_>i have run it i ant switch with alttab to anotehr term
07:44[~]azeem is really confused because I can't find `create' on the keybindings help
07:45<shawn_>its ok i shut down links
07:45<indrek>how do i get nvidia drivers for debian testing?
07:45<seanius>try this: log out of irssi. run "screen". log into irssi. to ctrl-a c
07:45<shawn_>but he refuses my pass on sudo
07:45<shawn_>but he accepts it on su
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07:45<seanius>all in the same terminal
07:45<indrek>shawn, /etc/sudoers file?
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07:45<azeem>shawn: you need to setup sudo first
07:46<shawn_>ah ok
07:46<dpkg>i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or
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07:46<azeem>dpkg, sudo is also you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it
07:46<dpkg>azeem: okay
07:46<indrek>Nvidia drivers for debian testing?
07:47<shawn_>im not good at editing files with vim
07:47<shawn_>i only know how to use edit
07:47<azeem>you can use nano
07:47<azeem>it might be easier
07:47<indrek>it is easyer
07:47<shawn_>ok thx
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07:47<seanius>!tell indrek about nvidia
07:48<azeem>well, there's no nvidia drivers for testing currently I believe
07:48<seanius>is dpkg: foo the same as !foo ?
07:48<azeem>dpkg: hi
07:49<shawn_>ok so what do i do in sudoers?
07:49<chealer>indrek: change your Linux version to either 2.6.22 or 2.6.18, then follow the guide getting the packages from unstable or stable, respectively
07:49<azeem>shawn: read the documentation first
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07:49<azeem>shawn: basically, add your username
07:50<indrek>chealer, i should get 2.6.22 then, the older one seems to fail because my hdd is too new
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07:51<seanius>shawn_: people will be much happier to help you if you ask mr. google first
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07:51<shawn_>ok sorry for that seanius
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07:53<IckySplat>Is there a KDE specific channel? My KDE/testing seems to have blown itself up :(
07:53[~]lupine wonders if they did it to the .21 kernel on purpose ;)
07:54<lupine>IckySplat: #kde exists on freenode
07:54<chealer>IckySplat: #debian-kde
07:54<lupine>or is it ##kde? I forget
07:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>
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07:55<domenico>hi all
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07:57<ben__>Does anyone know why my audio isnt working? The volume control says something about GStramer. - Full text (
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07:58<alephnull>Is there something special to be done to use Java swing applications ? I just get a blank canvas.
07:58<alephnull>I'm using sun-java6.
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08:02<indrek>chealer, it depends on nvidia kernel which is 2.6.18, what should i do?
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08:13<zaikxtox>hello. someone knows how to use apt-build to create static binary files?
08:13<azeem>zaikxtox: why do you want static binaries?
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08:14<zaikxtox>azeem, i have some uses. embeded (without using dietlibc) and also some speedups due to linking
08:14<lupine>zaikxtox: in debian/rules you can pass options to the linker
08:14<lupine>although I forget exactly how, and I have no idea what options you'd want to pass
08:14<azeem>yeah, you would probably have to edit each debian/rules
08:14<azeem>or hope that if you export LDFLAGS, it doesn't get clobbered
08:14<zaikxtox>thanks lupine , i will read info about
08:15<lupine>I'm pretty sure LDFLAGS would get clobbered
08:15<azeem>I'm not sure LDFLAGS would even get used for static linking
08:15<zaikxtox>azeem, thanks. there are not so much packages that i want to rebuild statically linked
08:15<zaikxtox>so debian/rules will be fine
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08:18<Rouke>hiya, can anybody help me along with my pptp server?
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08:20<Zathras>Rouke, there is a very good howto on sourceforge on that subject, have you checked that?
08:21<Rouke>uhu, ran through it 5 times already :(
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08:22<Rouke>problem is that I have traffic during the handshake, tcpdump show the packets are configged correctly, but still I get a timeout on the lcp packets
08:22<Zathras>there is also a diagnostics section
08:22<Rouke>hehe, it's no use, tried it all already, 4x, different kernels, different isp's
08:22<mjk>Does youtube-dl still work for anyone?
08:23<Zathras>mschap v2 can be a real issue. start simple
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08:23<Rouke>well, it all worked fine till 3 weeks ago
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08:24<Zathras>Rouke, let me guess: kernel update?
08:24<Rouke>nope, tried a 2.6.8, 2.6.18 and 2.6.22
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08:25<Rouke>it works sometimes, after $random number of tries
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08:25<zaikxtox>i go now. if i got luck i come back with results
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08:26<Rouke>but I see no difference in the handshake process
08:26<Zathras>2.6.8 2.6.18 require kernel patches
08:26<Rouke>2.6.18 for pptp?
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08:27<Zathras>I thought so. Info is at the sourceforge page: from what version the patch is no longer needed
08:27<Rouke>yeah, that's for mppe
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08:27<Zathras>mppe is required for ms chap v2 afaik
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08:28<Rouke>but it used to work till 3 weeks ago in the exact same config
08:28<Zathras>well, something MUST have changed
08:28<Rouke>I went on holiday, that's the difference :)
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08:29<Rouke>but as far I know nobody touched the systems
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08:32<yeonhoo>im trying to change resolution but it is locked on option
08:32<yeonhoo>how can i change on cosole?
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08:33<yeonhoo>help me~~
08:33<yeonhoo>how can i change resolution on console?
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08:38<azeem>yeonhoo: use X if you want to change resolutions
08:38<azeem>yeonhoo: otherwise, look into different framebuffer options, and the vga= boot option
08:39<yeonhoo>azeem, im on graphic mode now azeem
08:39<yeonhoo>azeem, what im using now is not X ?
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08:40<azeem>yeonhoo: "console" is usually referred to non-X text-mode console
08:40<yeonhoo>azeem, i was configuring locale .. when i finished it changed..
08:40<azeem>yeonhoo: what desktop environment are you using?
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08:41<yeonhoo>azeem, ah i understood now . but as i said before,, i tried to change on X but its locked
08:41<azeem>yeonhoo: what desktop environment are you using?
08:41<yeonhoo>locked on 800x600
08:41<azeem>you didn't say anything about X initially
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08:42<yeonhoo>ah sorry not mentioning before
08:42<yeonhoo>azeem, then how can i change resolution from console?
08:42<yeonhoo>do you have answer?
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08:43<azeem>yeonhoo: what driver is selected in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
08:44<yeonhoo> Identifier "nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]"
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08:44<azeem>and Driver?
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08:45<yeonhoo>there are two section device and screen
08:45<azeem>yeonhoo: device
08:45<azeem>search for "vesa"
08:45<azeem>or "nv"
08:45<yeonhoo>its the same
08:45<azeem>the same what?
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08:45<yeonhoo> Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
08:46<yeonhoo>its nv
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08:46<azeem>paste the device and screen sections to a pastebin
08:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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08:47<allgood>hi all
08:47<allgood>i want a little help with an alsa expert... can anybody help me?
08:47<azeem>ask a specific question, and maybe somebody knows
08:48<allgood>i have a 1-channel device and an application that demands 2 channels
08:48<allgood>can alsa downmix 2 channels into one for me?
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08:48<Fill>Hey, I need to have 'noip2' command to be executed on system startup
08:48<azeem>yeonhoo: ok
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08:49<Fill>I already know I have to build a script in /etc/init.d and make a link in /etc/rc2.d
08:49<azeem>yeonhoo: now look at /var/log/Xorg*log and search for lines with "(EE)"
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08:49<Fill>the problem is, I don't know how to do that script
08:49<azeem>yeonhoo: you need to figure out why 1024x768 gets rejected
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08:50<yeonhoo>on X resolution configuration, its locked on 640x480
08:50<azeem>yeonhoo: what is X resolution configuration?
08:51<azeem>yeonhoo: it could be that your card cannot handle 1024x768 in 24 bit momde
08:51<yeonhoo>on desktop -> basis configuration -> resolution
08:51<yeonhoo>it may be differ from my computer
08:51<azeem>you said earlier it was 800x600
08:52<yeonhoo>it was on 1024xXXX
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08:52<allgood>i'm trying to find an #alsa irc channel... unable to find on efnet and
08:52<azeem>maybe you should be more precise
08:52<yeonhoo>but suddenly when i finished locale configuration it changed haha...
08:52<azeem>yeonhoo: when was it on 1024x768?
08:52<azeem>how did you configure locales
08:52<yeonhoo>before configuring locale
08:53<yeonhoo>dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:53<yeonhoo>and then locale-gen
08:53<azeem>that shouldn't matter
08:53<yeonhoo>i have to reboot again think
08:54<azeem>just restart X
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09:10<WildOS>What is the purpose with make install?
09:11<Metalqga>to put the binary files in the right folders
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09:12<WildOS>Metalqga: How are "the right folders" determined?
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09:12<Metalqga>by the programmer
09:12<azeem>WildOS: they are set in the Makefile and can be overriden by configure, usually
09:13<WildOS>Thanks =)
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09:46<WildOS>what is cygpath and how can I get it? Cannot find it using apt-cache search...
09:46<azeem>WildOS: it's obviously something cygwin related
09:47<azeem>WildOS: I hope you get a lot of money for this
09:48<WildOS>azeem: well.. it is kind a interesting.. the first part works now, I can atleast compile windows apps in debian, and now I am trying to compile the cross compiler ;-)
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09:49<azeem>WildOS: well, nice, but this kind of stuff is off-topic here
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09:51<WildOS>azeem: I guess, but most of my questions are related to packages and standard debian stuff.. I don't know where else to ask. Suggestions?
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09:51<azeem>this is specialist territory, you should know what you're doing
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09:52<azeem>WildOS: and asking "what does make install" do when you're trying to build a cross compiler really asks for trouble
09:54<WildOS>azeem: *lol* you are absolutely right =) I am relatively new to linux.. started from scratch 6months ago.. but I am learning :-)
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09:54<sparr>might be reachable on IRC?
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09:55<Mindtech>hey guys... how do i get the terminal to display my motherboard/processor type
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09:55<azeem>WildOS: so why the hell are you doing this project?
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09:56<the-dude>MIndtech, try dmidecode
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09:56<WildOS>azeem: Well, I am a fast learner, usually anyway, and I do not quit until I get the job done :p
09:57<azeem>that doesn't answer the question
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09:59<WildOS>azeem: Trust me, if there were another option I would rather work on something else than this compiler stuff, an experienced cross-compiler expert would have finished this stuff in no time.. I've spent 3days just to get the linux-cross-win32 compiler to work..
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10:00<dude>hello all.
10:00<azeem>WildOS: well, you're wasting this channel's time and manpower with your off-topic questions, so it's valid to ask *why* you're doing it
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10:01<dude>im readoing the docs on mutt and trying to figure out how to write a command line so that it will automatically send an email with an attachment without me having to go into mutt and hit send?
10:01<dude>am i using the right tool>
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10:01<azeem>dude: look into mail, mailx and mailutils, rather
10:01<alex_>WildOS, what are your trying to cross compile?
10:02<alex_>native win32 applications?
10:02<alex_>.net code?
10:02<alex_>linux -> win32 or win32 -> linux?
10:03<WildOS>azeem: sorry, I'll try to be better on filtering my questions :-)
10:03<petemc>you would have to encode an attachement before mailx could use it, no?
10:03<petemc>dude: man mutt
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10:04<WildOS>alex_: win32 -> linux But to get there I also need linux -> win32. That part I have figured out =)
10:04<alex_>what are you trying to cross compile?
10:04<alex_>explain what the program is written in
10:05<dude>petemc: I said I read the docs, I am not figuring out what command option to use, which is why I amsking here
10:05<WildOS>alex_: Its a multithreaded win32 application written in c++
10:05<dude>azeem thanks!
10:05<petemc>dude: you dont see "-a file : Attach a file to your message using MIME.
10:06<azeem>WildOS: did you look into libwine?
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10:06<petemc>dude: perhaps theres something wrong with your eyes
10:06<alex_>dude, the manual has it, read it, carefully
10:08<WildOS>azeem: I have been thinking about setting up wine as a testing environment to debug programs for win32, but I have not had the time yet
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10:13<WildOS>azeem: I have actually ported the whole app to Linux. But it is not just an application, but a framework with libs for making advanced control applications. The graphical tools that comes with the package can only run in windows, so developers should be able to work with the apps without booting to linux all the time..
10:13<dude>petemc: read my question carefully, must be something wrong with your eyes, . Azeem got the point of my question. Thanks, Azeem
10:13<dude>petemc: ass
10:13<azeem>WildOS: libwine has been made for that, you know
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10:14<WildOS>azeem: Tried that earlier, the apps didn't work as they should
10:14<azeem>well, it's probably not a drop-in thingy
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10:17<kop>I'm running kde (at the moment) and I'd like to be able to drag windows from "workspace" to "workspace" and get to different workspaces by letting the mouse sit on the edge of the screen. I think what I want is "viewports". How would I do this?
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10:17<WildOS>When I get more skilled with automake, autoconfig and packaging stuff, I will look into the source and see if I can contribute making improvements to wine..
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10:18<eX-GE>Hi there ! I crashed my Kernel a bit and now im in the recovery mode ... which was that syntax to go back in systemshell ? thanks :)
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10:19<kop>eX-GE: When you boot or after booting?
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10:19<eX-GE>after booting
10:20<kop>eX-GE: You can hold down the control and the alt keys and press F1-F5 to go to a different console. X is usually on F7.
10:21<eX-GE>well sry, think i explained wrong. I mean actually i cant boot the normal kernel, and have to boot in recovery mode. Now i want go back in my usual shell to repair my faults.
10:21<kop>eX-GE: "go back"?
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10:22<eX-GE>im in recovery console right now .. i know i have to mount the filesystem in /mnt and then type some sort of syntax to be in my "normal" shell
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10:23<azeem>eX-GE: are you in the busybox shell?
10:24<eX-GE>im too nap to know what busyboy mean.. in boot menu i highlighted 'kernel'-recovery ...
10:24<kop>eX-GE: Ah. Once you mount you can use "chroot /mnt/foo" to run everything "in" the mounted filesystem, just like that mounted filesystem was the root fs.
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10:25<eX-GE>chroot ! that was what i meant ! thanks a lot
10:25<azeem>if you booted the recovery kernel, you're likely in the main file system already
10:25<azeem>but dunno...
10:25<eX-GE>thanks to you, too :)
10:25<kop>eX-GE: : Note that you'll always be running the kernel you booted with. You may also want to use "su - FOO" at that point to become user "FOO", as if you logged in.
10:26<kop>eX-GE: : (Or even just "su -" to be root as if you just logged in.)
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10:26<lacer>witkacy :)
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10:27<kop>How do I switch from "virtual desktop" to "virtual desktop" by having the mouse bump up against the edge of the screen?
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10:28<cahoot>IIRC that's configurable in kde's control center
10:29<kop>cahoot: I tried under "display". I'm running etch. Is that new enough?
10:29<kop>cahoot: (IIRC KDE 3.5)
10:29<cahoot>kop, sounds to me you're referring to xorg.conf
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10:30<kop>cahoot: Once upon a time window managers did this.
10:31<cahoot>tried kde's control center ?
10:31<kop>cahoot: It's not under desktop->multiple desktops. or desktop->window behavior.
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10:33<kop>cahoot: This is my first foray into kde. I used to run gnome, but they kept making it dumber. As with this problem. I think sawfish does this. Elightenment is where I first came across it.
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10:33<kop>cahoot: Should I look at revision history or something at
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10:35<cahoot>KDE: Control Center -> Desktop -> Window Behaviour -> Advanced ->
10:35<cahoot>Active Desktop Borders
10:35<cahoot>according to google
10:36<bighornram>Is anyone able to help using gdesklets, I want to us a news feed gdesklet but when I select one it says not installed. Isn't it already installed as it appears in the list?
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10:36<kop>cahoot: Thanks very much. What was your search. I tried "viewport" and that got lots of compbiz stuff.
10:36<azeem>viewport has nothing to do with this
10:36<cahoot>kde + switch workspace
10:38<kop>Thanks. In the gnome/metacity world the difference between "workspaces" and "viewports" was whether or not you could use the mouse to move things between them. (IIRC) What's the right vocabulary?
10:38<kop>Just "workspace"?
10:38<azeem>metacity never used viewports I thought
10:38<azeem>you might be thinking of sawfish still
10:39<azeem>kop: metacity (and I assuem kwin) use workspaces, compiz and some legacy WMs use viewports
10:39<azeem>some use both, to top it off
10:39<kop>azeem: Yes. That's what made me decide to switch from metacity. It took me a couple of years to get around to it. And another couple ofyears to get around to leaving gnome. I don't know that I'm super excited about kde. Something more lightweight might be tastyer. But I don't feel like playing around with my desktop much either. :)
10:41<azeem>there was a sawfish release this year
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10:43<flami>Hi, Im looking for a good ftp client , im useing krusader right now but its horribly slow when i try to upload lots of small files .
10:43<Scurz>flami: use filezilla
10:43<Scurz>or ftp or yafc
10:43<flami>ok ill try em out
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10:44<Scurz>you're welcome
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10:45<kop>What's the difference between "focus under mouse" and "focus strictly under mouse"? (KDE)
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10:46<azeem>kop: see the documentation I guess
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10:46<kop>azeem: Yeah. I clicked on the "builtin" manual and it didn't say. I suppose there's a book somewhere.
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10:49<kop>(Ah, it was lftp that I found to be nice and scriptable.)
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11:18<Seph>does anyone know how to create a per user motd ?
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11:20<marauder>Hello, new to debian. reqa a little help if possible plz. could someone point me in the right direction of valid documentation.
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11:21<petemc>!tell marauder about reference
11:21<jae>Where've the tar info pages gone?
11:21<marauder>actually even, how to boot to a login so i can login as root so i can edit the suders file ....
11:22<lupine>append 'init=/bin/bash' (or another suitable shell) to the kernel boot line in grub
11:22<fxiny>what's wrong with info tar ?
11:22<jae>Oh, maybe they're back in 1.18-1 (I'm a bit behind, 56K modem and all)
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11:24<jae>fxiny: tar's authoritative documentation is in info format, and "info tar" gives me the man page
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11:28<fxiny>jae: i see . examples lines are old , tar has some new goodies like tar xf
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11:45<vin`>jae: install tar-doc from non-free for the info doc
11:46<flami>Im running a really restrictive xhroot for my apache , anyone have an idea what libs i need to add to get php to conncet to other sites ? I think its a matter of resolving hostnames (e.g. wordpress doesnt show the news
11:46<flami>* chroot
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11:49<fxiny>flami: resolving in a jail ? in /lib ?
11:49<flami>i think i have it
11:49<flami>ill check again
11:50<flami>yes in a jail
11:50<fxiny>flami: what about resolv.conf in /etc ?
11:50<flami>yes its there :/
11:51<flami>put that in there too
11:51<flami>what could i sue to try out if its really a matter of resolving ?
11:52<flami>dig ?
11:52<vin`>ping something
11:52<flami>oh yeah
11:52<flami>ill copy ping into the jail
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11:54<flami>yes unknown host :/
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11:55<flami>time to strace ^^
11:56<fxiny>mine works perfect , just dropped a ping in it
11:56<flami>yes thats whats strange
11:56<flami>ok just and resolv.conf ?
11:57<fxiny>i've done it ages ago . checking it
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11:57<flami>ill strace
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11:59<flami>are missing
11:59<fxiny>lemme check
11:59<flami>boy i love strace
11:59<fxiny>yeahhh ,. i have it :
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12:00<fxiny>flami: my jail bin : bash irssi ls strace :)
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12:01<fxiny>i move anybox my own irrsi by just bzipping it :)
12:01<flami>bingo there we are ^^
12:02<flami>ok /lib/ and were missing
12:02<fxiny>so i can be super leet by running it jailed in a *screen* session : i feel on the top of the world :))
12:02<flami>barely hackable ;)
12:03<dooglus>Every time I boot, fsck runs, detects last superblock write in the future, reboots, and repeats forever. How can I fix this?
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12:05<flami>fxiny, hardened irssi jail with grsec I assume ? ;)
12:05<fxiny>flami: the user running it does not exists :))
12:05<flami>a user that only exists in the jail ?
12:05<fxiny>flami: no grsec , breaking out of a jail is not so hard :)
12:05<kop>dooglus: You boot off the debian install cd in rescue mode and fiddle with the fs.
12:06<fxiny>flami: yes , a funny user , i use a wrapper to launch irssi
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12:06<fxiny>flami: just for fun , i'm not so paranoid ;)
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12:06<kop>Where can I rtfm about /etc/resolv.conf and how it's gone all dynamic in etch and what the right way to configure it is?
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12:07<softwork>debian testing is secure?
12:07<softwork>i need some packets like wine, pidgin but is in testing
12:07<flami>softwork, testing has its own security team , but if you got for a production server id use stable
12:07<flami>softwork, id get wine from the wine website
12:07<Metalqga>or backports
12:08<flami>and pidgin , backport it
12:08<softwork>how why backport?
12:08<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ...
12:08<flami>uhm now wrong one
12:08<Metalqga>i compiled pidgin myself
12:08<softwork>and no problem it dependencies?
12:08<Metalqga>dont know
12:08<Metalqga>read the README
12:08<cahoot>kop, I think you want to look at: man dhclient.conf
12:09<dooglus>kop. I have no cd with me, and no net access other than from my phone.
12:09<Metalqga>it is usually mentioned there or INSTALL
12:09<fxiny>Metalqga: did you add tonic and lemon to pidgin ? ;)
12:09<Metalqga>i use irssi
12:09<Metalqga>hate icq
12:10<kop>dooglus: If you've a floppy use tomsrootboot and boot off floppy maybe? (I've no idea if tomsrootboot is still current.) If you can fix the root fs then you can chroot into it to fix the rest.
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12:12<dooglus>kop. I'm not able to get online. I can't boot. All I have is a mobile phone.
12:13<metalqga_>dooglus what do you want to boot
12:14<kop>dooglus: If you're using grub you can alter the kernel boot line to set the root fs to another fs, which won't help if you've no alternate root fs. You could try booting into single user mode. I forget if that leaves the root fs in read-only state.
12:15<kop>cahoot: Thing is, I think /etc/resolv.conf is supposed to be a softlink into /etc/resolvconf/, to some file that does not exist, but I accidently overwrote the softlink and don't know what it should really link to.
12:16<kop>dooglus: Or it could be that your CMOS battery has gone dead and your system clock has reverted to 1999 or something. You could go into the bios and set the right time before booting. (And then see about getting another battery.)
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12:17<dooglus>kop. I dual boot windows. Time is ok there.
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12:19<kop>dooglus: Maybe the linux side thinks the hardware clock is set to utc and your windows side says it's not. If you backdated the clock in windows then you could boot linux and do a dpkg-reconfigure (on something) to tell Linux the clock is not utc. (Uh, maybe that's it.)
12:19<metalqga_>do you know what, try setting your time to 3000 year or sth
12:19<metalqga_>that way it wont tell you it was mounted in the future
12:20<kop>dooglus: Right. I meant forwarddated the windows clock.
12:20<kop>(or just in bios)
12:20<metalqga_>dooglus try my idea
12:20<metalqga_>move a few month forward
12:20<kop>metalqga_: I'd just move a day forward. That way it won't be too wierd for too long.
12:21<metalqga_>or two
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12:21<dooglus>Kop. I used Windows to set the clock forward 10 years, but Linux still thinks super block was modified in the future. Do you think it's worth setting the clock back?
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12:22<metalqga_>i meant use the fkin bios
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12:23<dooglus>metal... I didn't see your suggestion, and don't know how to send a PgUp on this phone.
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12:24<metalqga_>i meant use the bios
12:24<kop>dooglus: Yes. Set the clock back. Clock wierdness will make your life ugly sooner or later.
12:24<dooglus>metal... I can't work out how to get into the bios, so I'm using fkin windows to set the clock.
12:25<kop>dooglus: How long has this been going on?
12:25<kop>dooglus: (As in: what happened?)
12:25<metalqga_>kop he will set the clock right right after he boots debian
12:26<flami>Is there a GUI ftp client that support ftp with ssl ?
12:26<metalqga_>your bios is accessed by either F1 or F2 or del button
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12:26<kop>metalqga_: Oh, I thought he already tried that and it didn't work.
12:26<metalqga_>your bios is accessed by either F1 or F2 or del button during boot up
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12:26<dooglus>kop. About 5 hours. Each fsck takes 10 minutes, so about 60 reboots so far.
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12:27<kop>Rarely the bios also can be accessed via the escape key.
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12:27<kop>dooglus: But what changed to make it start?
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12:29<kop>Does someone running etch have /etc/resolve.conf as a softlink and if so, what does it link to?
12:29<kop>oops resolv.conf
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12:30<sepski>kop, you have that if you have resolveconf installed i belive
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12:30<sepski>probably /var/run/resolvconf/somethingish/or/the/other
12:30<kop>sepski: Thanks. I'll look at resolvconf for help.
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12:31<dooglus>kop. I ran fsck on a mounted ext3 root partition. I didn't use -y and didn't let it fix anything, so I thought it would be OK. It wasn't.
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12:32<kop>dooglus: In the future, you can remount the root fs read-only and then run fsck. mount -o ro, remount / (iirc)
12:34<metalqga_>is there a way to disable fsck at boot?
12:34<kop>Is there a way to tell the initramfs (vocabularly -- the thingie that runs in ram at boot) to stop and let you into a shell? Or to have it run a fsck?
12:34<dooglus>kop. Ok. Thanks.
12:35<Frolic>metalqga_, yes. man fstab
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12:35<fxiny>metalqga_: man tune2fs
12:35<fxiny>all man are yours tonight :)
12:36<metalqga_>i'm asking for dooglus
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12:36<metalqga_>he should do the reading :D
12:36<dooglus>kop. fsck is running every time it reboots. How would running it from a live cd or a shell prompt help? I don't know enough about boot options to answer, anyway.
12:36<fxiny>dooglus: do you have phisycal access to that box ?
12:37<kop>dooglus: If you boot from a live cd, then you're running off the cd and can do a fsck on the root fs on the disk without having it be mounted.
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12:37<dooglus>I can't run man, since I can't boot. All I can do is edit the grub boot params.
12:37<metalqga_>fxiny you are the man!
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12:39<fxiny>metalqga_: i'd bruteforce the piggy clock this way : write dwn all bios settings (you never know) and remove the cmos battery :P
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12:39<dooglus>fximy. Yes, it's a laptop, and it's no top of my lap. It also has a working win XP install if that helps.
12:39<metalqga_>xp can only harm
12:40<metalqga_>laptop batteries are a bit tricky
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12:41<fxiny>dooglus: hmmm : the only windows running in the 2017 year i wish :)
12:41<fxiny>kill the clock . let it squeel
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12:41<kop>dooglus: What happens if you add the words "single ro" to the kernel parameters? (_maybe_ that will put you in single user mode, read-only, without fsck.)
12:42<kop>fxiny: Trouble is, he borked his fs by running fsck on a mounted filesystem. He may never get it back if it's bad enough.
12:42<dooglus>kop. Much the same. Fsck then reboot.
12:42<kaos>hey can anyone help me i cant use java in firefox first of all it was telling me to install the plugin so i installed the plugin from apt and now it wont load any java applets
12:43<metalqga_>ok, i'll go to watch Sanjuro, good luck googlus
12:43<grownler>Hello, my window "transparency" is on (i'm using kde)... and it it is good, but slow... I have a SiS 315 videocard (32MB)... exists some way to do it works better???
12:44<kop>dooglus: I think you need to go in search of a live linux cd and boot off that. It sounds easiest. (then do a fsck on the unmounted fs.)
12:44<fxiny>kop: you suggested tomsrtbt . i think he should use it
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12:45<fxiny>man tune2fs
12:45<kop>grownler: I just learned this... It's "kustomizeer" (iirc), it's on the kde menu settings->desktop setting wizard. That's the brute-force way to adjust that stuff. You can also turn things off and on individually.
12:45<dooglus>kop. I have a live cd at home, but won't be there soon. Am in the wilderness for a few days. Guess I'll be using windows instead until I get home. Thanks all for trying.
12:46<kaos>hey can anyone help me i cant use java in firefox first of all it was telling me to install the plugin so i installed the plugin from apt and now it wont load any java applets
12:46<kaos>or maybe its the actual applet
12:47<dooglus>fximy. Is tomsrtbt better than a live cd? If so, how?
12:47<kaos>can someone tell me if the chat applet loads on
12:47<fxiny>kop: can't remember whre resolcconf symlink points : down /etc/ppp ?
12:47<kop>grownler: kpersonalizer
12:47<grownler>kop thanks, I'll do it... but, before... I don't have any idea about what I'll ask for you: exists some way to give more memory to my videocard, like a linux-swap-video?
12:48<kop>fxiny: I'm going to rtfm the resolvconf package.
12:49<fxiny>grownler: reconfigure x and tell how much you want to give ?
12:49<kop>dooglus: tomsrootboot == micro distro
12:50<grownler>fxiny: I don't know... some good memory that will be good to turn better my window transparency effects (I have only 32mb)... videocard's memory, shure...
12:50<kop>fxiny, grownler : Would that be: dpkg-reconfigure xorg ? I just did one of these (several times) last night but it was late and I was braindead.
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12:52<grownler>fxiny, kop... I don't want to reconfigure my xorg... just give more memory for my videocard
12:52<kop>grownler: I did: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:52<fxiny>kop: it is , i don't give mem cause i dont' care but i'm asked when reconfiguring
12:52<grownler>it's possible?
12:52<dooglus>kop. I see. Got a URL for it? Maybe it's small enough to download using my phone, then bluetooth to windows and burn to DVD? I have no floppy drive.
12:52<kop>grownler: That asked about how much video ram to use.
12:52<kop>grownler: Or, I think you can look at /etc/X11/xorg* where there's a conf file that gets set.
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12:53<kop>dooglus: It's 1.44MB iirc. Lesseee....
12:53<grownler>ok ok... BUT, it's possible?
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12:55<Troyan0>grownler, yes, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
12:55<dooglus>Ok, so now I'm running out of credit on the phone too. What else wants to in wrong today?
12:55<grownler>I didn't find nothing about my videocard's memory in xorg.conf
12:56<grownler>only this:
12:56<grownler>Section "Device"
12:56<grownler> Identifier "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"
12:56<grownler> Driver "sis"
12:56<grownler> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
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12:56<Troyan0>add videoRam 32 line in section device
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12:57<grownler>I'll google about "videoram 32" thanks!
12:57<Troyan0>u welcome
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12:58<Troyan0>graytron, default is 8MB
12:58<grownler>because.. my videocard is not of the most recents... but it's not bad too... because I can play good games, like Counter-strike and Vice City, but on Windows... because SIS don't give to us your drivers for Linux
12:58<Troyan0>grownler, default is 8MB
12:58<kop>dooglus: it's 1.6MB Dunno what the burn instructions are. I'd assume you'd bunzip2. See:
12:59<grownler>I searched for 8MB in xorg.conf and didn't find nothing
12:59<Troyan0>no no no
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12:59<Troyan0>videoram is the option for the section device in xorg.conf file
12:59<grownler>and how I can use this?
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13:00<kop>grownler: It's possible the dpkg-reconfigure will autodetect things and you won't have to think about the details. It does leave a backup xorg.conf file.
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13:00<Troyan0>videoram in section device
13:00<Troyan0>for example
13:00<grownler>videoram "8MB" ???
13:00<Troyan0>videoram 32
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13:00<grownler>but don't need " " ?
13:00<Troyan0>without quotes
13:00<grownler>and without MB?
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13:01<kop>grownler: (There is a man page I'm sure that addresses those questions.)
13:01<dooglus>kop. Did you find a url? I can't scroll up, sorry.
13:01<grownler>man xorg.conf ?
13:01<kop>dooglus: it's 1.6MB Dunno what the burn instructions are. I'd assume you'd bunzip2. See:
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13:03<dooglus>kop. Thanks. Could you '' it for me please? I don't seem to have copy.paste functionality here either.
13:04<grownler>Troyan0: look this: VideoRam mem This optional entry specifies the amount of video ram that is installed on the graphics board. This is measured in kBytes. In most cases this is not required because the Xorg server probes the graphics board to determine this quantity. The driver-specific documentation should indicate when it might be needed.
13:04<Troyan0>sorry, its true
13:04<grownler>man, it's only to set how much video's memory I have
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13:04<Troyan0>set right line is
13:05<grownler>not to turn give more memory!
13:05<grownler>ops... not to give more memory"
13:05<Troyan0>Option "videoRAM" 65535
13:05<Troyan0>for example
13:06<grownler>but: "it's only to set how much video's memory I have"... AM I right?
13:06<Troyan0>you can set all memory o not
13:06<Troyan0>you choice
13:06<Troyan0>default is 8M for video
13:06<kop>dooglus: (You got the faq url?)
13:07<grownler>but, exists a way to do a LINUX_SWAP_ for VIDEOCARD... that's what I'm asking...
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13:07<grownler>oh man...
13:08<Troyan0>:S, that wasn't your question
13:08<grownler>it's not what you said before, but... thanks
13:08<grownler>I'm not good in english.. that was what I was asking
13:09<Troyan0>that's true
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13:10<grownler>but probably, you're not good in portuguese... but I'm learning english for ask in foruns and IRCs
13:10<kop>grownler: The days are long past when video cards were able to use regular system RAM.
13:10<kop>!tell grownler -about br
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13:11<Javi>help, i m new at linux, installed debian 4.0 etch, and don't recognize me 16bit ethernet card, repotec 1621 (um900 af chip) sb know how to set it, or where get the irq
13:12<grownler>kop, look how many persons have in debian-br... I'll probably be helped if I ask here friend
13:12<kop>Javi: There's a hardware compatiblity list at You might want to look there to see if it's supported at all. After that (IIRC) the doc-linux-* package will have docs for the various cards that give specifics about how to set up and use them.
13:13<kop>Javi: (where * is some language code, like en or de.)
13:13<vsrinivas>I have an sb live in an etch machine, but the modules for handling it are not being loaded, and I get no /dev/dsp
13:13<kop>grownler: Sure, and your in the right timezone too. :)
13:13<vsrinivas>any idea what modules need to be loaded or how to make it automatic?
13:14<grownler>kop, I really didn't understand what you said...
13:14[~]Troyan0 is away: Por ahí...
13:14<kop>vsrinivas: Same asnwer as to Javi's question.
13:15<kop>vsrinivas: (Although someone here might know the answer offhand.)
13:15<kevinl>hey folk
13:15<vsrinivas>kop, I've had it work in the past, by loading nearly every snd-* module
13:15<kop>grownler: I was just pointing out that br is in the same timezone as north america where there's lots of english spoken.
13:15<vsrinivas>how do I make it automatic? and does a module create /dev/dsp? or do I need to mknod it?
13:15<kevinl>if I have an intel 62566dm NIC, supposedly support by e1000 module, and i insmod th e1000 file successfuly (no dmesg output), but there is no eth0 in ifconfig -a , suggestion?
13:16<cahoot>vsrinivas, is it an ISA device?
13:16<grownler>kop, what you said didn't make sense to me...
13:16<kevinl>vsrinivas, did you apt-get install alsa ?
13:16<kop>grownler: Never mind.
13:16<vsrinivas>pci sound blaster live oem (emu10k1x driver)
13:16<vsrinivas>alsa is installed
13:16<BugReactor>vsrinivas, is it listed in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
13:17<kop>kevinl: I bet the answer is in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules. See the etch release notes section 5 for info on what's new and why.
13:17<cahoot>vsrinivas, you are aware you need snd-pcm-oss also to get alsas oss-emulation (i e /dev/dsp) ?
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13:18<grownler>kop, you said: people are together (from different countries, and differents languages) just because they're in the same timezone? this don't make sense... hehe
13:18<vsrinivas>cahoot,that module is loaded, but it doesn't create /dev/dsp. when I mknod it (14,3, same as another system with a different card), the device isn't usable
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13:18<cahoot>vsrinivas, you run debian?
13:19<vsrinivas>etch, yes
13:19<kop>grownler: Commentedthat it's easier for people to talk to each other when they're not asleep.
13:19<BugReactor>vsrinivas, if u managed to manually load it, may be you could put it in /etc/modules, so it loaded automatically
13:19<cahoot>vsrinivas, dpkg-rconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
13:19<cahoot>vsrinivas, err dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
13:20<grownler>kop... yes, I got now... but, what I said is: in debian-br have a bit of persons... and people don't answer us there... because also brazilians are here, in debian, and from other countries too
13:21<cahoot>vsrinivas, then test basic alsa using: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
13:21<grownler>kop.. thanks for be patient
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13:21<vsrinivas>cahoot, it has no speakers, but alsamixer now works, yay!
13:21<vsrinivas>still no /dev/dsp though
13:22<grownler>kop... I think linuxers have to be insistents
13:22<cahoot>not even if you modprobe snd-pcm-oss?
13:23<kop>grownler: (stubborn)
13:23<grownler>kop: what means stubborn?
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13:24<cahoot>vsrinivas, what happends if you run invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload?
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13:24<kop>grownler: Unwilling to give up, unwilling to quit.
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13:25<kop>grownler: (sorta better rtfm)
13:25<vsrinivas>cahoot, it exists now
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13:25<F3TRIO3D2X>sorry how can i find knoppix irc channel?
13:26<grownler>F3TRIO3D2X: enter with : /join #knoppix ... but at I think
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13:26<F3TRIO3D2X>grownler: thank you very much
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13:34<kop>I'm looking for the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard docs and I can't connect to and can't find a debian package. What am I doing wrong?
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13:36<dooglus>One more question... Can I burn a bootable CD image onto a DVD and expect it to boot OK?
13:36<kop>Is one of those sites with tcp issues with etch or is there just some unrelated problem?
13:37<dondelelcaro>kop: looks like an unrelated problem. has them otherwise
13:38<dondelelcaro>(since tcp_ecn is off by default anyway)
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13:41<kop>dooglus: Wikipedia says: DVDs may also use the ISO 9660 file system. So, I suppose your odds are good.
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13:42<curso>unitario caic
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13:44<dooglus>kop. Ok, so I've downloaded tom's, 7zip and am iso burner, but tom's seems to be a .img file, not a .iso. Any idea what to do with it?
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13:49<fxiny>dooglus: i use tomstrtb on floppies and sysrescuecd ( on cd . are you sure tom img is not a fluppy image ?
13:50<dooglus>F. It could well be. It's 2mb.
13:50<fxiny>that's it
13:51<fxiny>btw i have old dear trinus as well
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13:53<dooglus>f. I guess a floppy image is no use without a floppy drive, right? Do you know of a small bootable Linux I can burn to a DVD?
13:54<fxiny>dooglus: there are many live cd .last sysrescue comes with a 2.6.20 kernel
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13:57<fxiny>dooglus: less then 120MB . usb version provided
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14:00<fxiny>dooglus: i see ans eltorito tomsrtbt download link , lemme check it
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14:01<fxiny>buzztracker: that will do
14:01<fxiny>buzztracker: sorry
14:02<mythtv>Sorry noob questions from a jaded soffware engineer
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14:02<mythtv>I have a problem with usb
14:02<fxiny>dooglus: from the faq : "It is a 2.88MB floppy image suitable for *BUILDING* an iso image, using, say, the -b flag of mkisofs. See README.eltorito in mkisofs."
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14:02<mythtv>and firmwire
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14:04<mythtv>I am trying to make a backend server for mythtv (as the username shows) and using an old box (1.3ghz AMD) but it doesa not have USB2, I have added a USB2 NEC card but the machine refuses to play nice and load the firmwire
14:05<mythtv>for the DVB cards
14:05<mythtv>it sits there trying to load for an age and then tells me it can't do it
14:05<mythtv>on my other debian box the firmwire does load, so I know the files are good
14:06<mythtv>does anyone have any ideas?
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14:07<mythtv>I don't know how to use this service - can anyone hear me?
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14:09<BugReactor>There's a hardware compatiblity list at You might want to look there to see if it's supported at all. After that (IIRC) the doc-linux-* package will have docs for the various cards that give specifics about how to set up and use them.
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14:09<Guest1743>bloody xchat
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14:10<mythtv>tthe tuner is supported and the USB2/PCI device just pluged and worked
14:10<mythtv>but the delay worries me
14:10<mythtv>more than the missing firmwire
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14:11<mythtv>I get warnings if I plug the device into a 1.1 port so I assume it is running correctly at 2.0 speeds
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14:15<BugReactor>as far as i know linux-2.6.18 doesn't fully support ehci usb2
14:15<dennis>are there syncing problems with the different repositories with the new release of etch?
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14:20<mythtv>I am using 2.6.21-2-686 from testing as I was worried about lack of support
14:20<mythtv>is there non ehci usb2?
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14:24<mythtv>hmmm, going to try a new kernel BRB
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14:28<metalqga_>japanese movies are so profound
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14:30<snowball>Hi everyone. im trying and trying to get my new kernel running but it always ends up like this : . hope youll understand that german sentences
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14:32<snowball>i see the problem.. my /proc/ is empty. Im in recovery mode and think i have to mount it first. where to mount my proc to when my filesystem is mountet temporarily in /mnt ?
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14:34<dondelelcaro>snowball: are you chrooting to /mnt when you run that dpkg command?
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14:35<dondelelcaro>snowball: then mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc; then chroot and rerun the dpkg command
14:35<snowball>ill try dondelelcaro
14:36<snowball>now it tells me while dpkg
14:36<snowball>yaird error: can't open directory /sys/block (fatal)
14:37<snowball>well, my /sys/ is empty, too
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14:37<dondelelcaro>snowball: do the same thing for sys, mount -t sysfs sysfs /mnt/sys;
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14:38<snowball>thank god it worked. and thanks dondelelcaro ;)
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14:42<mythtv>:( back and the rebuild did not help
14:42<mythtv>is there a way to see more info from the firmwire loader?
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14:44[~]mythtv will
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14:45<dondelelcaro>the driver itself is what loads the firmware. if it can't, then it should give you some sort of useful error.
14:46<dondelelcaro>like "can't find firmware" or "firmware not valid" or similar
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14:47<mythtv>dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-wt220u-fc03.fw) Please see linux/Documentation/dvb/ for more details on firmware-problems. (-2)
14:47<mythtv>but i don't see anything useful there
14:47<dondelelcaro>mythtv: yeah, so you don't have that firmware file in the right location.
14:47<dondelelcaro>mythtv: it should be in /lib/firmware generally speaking.
14:48<mythtv>I have put the firmare files in /lib/firmware, usr/lib/firmware AND /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
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14:48<mythtv>thgought I'd cover all bases
14:48<dondelelcaro>mythtv: so what does stat /usr/lib/firmware/dvb-usb-wt220u-fc03.fw; say?
14:50<mythtv> File: `/usr/lib/firmware/dvb-usb-wt220u-fc03.fw'
14:50<mythtv> Size: 12902 Blocks: 32 IO Block: 4096 regular file
14:50<mythtv>Device: 1601h/5633d Inode: 2343488 Links: 1
14:50<mythtv>Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 1000/ mythtv) Gid: ( 1000/ mythtv)
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14:50<dondelelcaro>mythtv: err, that should be /lib/firmware, not /usr/lib/firmware
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14:51<dondelelcaro>mythtv: and it should be owned by root, not your user
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14:51<dondelelcaro>(and don't paste here)
14:51<mythtv>ok, the stat shoes the same but a diffrent inode
14:52<mythtv>sorry, what should I be doing?
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14:53<Serialkiller>Hi all!
14:53<Serialkiller>How is everyone?
14:53<Ant_>Hi, simple question for those in the know.... is 3.1 a suitable OS for a server now that 4.0 is out? (will I be risking security holes and lack of new php's etc?)
14:53<azeem>Ant_: what do you mean with "risking the lack of new php's"?
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14:54<dondelelcaro>mythtv: it should be owned by root. If it's still not working, then check out what the documentation says and/or rebuild the kernel module with more debbuging output by patchign the sourcecode.
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14:54<dondelelcaro>Ant_: sarge still has security updates, but you should really be upgrading to etch at your earliest convenience.
14:54<Serialkiller>anyone familiar with cisco pix 501 ? I have to ad a rule, and when i do it saks me to do a stic route, so when i try to do a static route it tells me cannot casue it overlaps with a route on http/port 80. I am lost. Need a little bit of guidenss . Please.
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14:55<Ant_>azeem: I assume new .debs will be only for 4.0?
14:55<azeem>Ant_: Debian doesn't update the stable release except for security
14:55<azeem>Ant_: 3.1 is currently still supported, but you should really go for 4.0 for a new install
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14:55<Ant_>azeem: it's a remote server and the host only offers (suse 10.1, fedora 6.6 (out of date) and debian 3.1 also outdated)
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14:56<mythtv>I chownd and chmoded the file, but shouldn't anything that can be loaded by user root be able to be loaded even if it is owned by others
14:56<mythtv>didn't help bTW
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14:56<dondelelcaro>mythtv: it'd be able to be read, but it's quite probable that it would refuse to do so
14:57<Ant_>how long will 3.1 continue to be supported?
14:57<azeem>Ant_: well, you can upgrade to 4.0 ASAP
14:57<azeem>Ant_: it's unknown, but not more than half a year probably
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14:57<mythtv>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12902 2007-02-17 18:28 /lib/firmware/dvb-usb-wt220u-fc03.fw
14:57<azeem>Ant_: you can easily upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 though
14:57<dondelelcaro>it really depends on the stable security team
14:57<azeem>Ant_: just read the release notes
14:58<mythtv>and i still get the same message
14:58<dondelelcaro>mythtv: with modprobe -R foodriver; modprobe foodriver; rigth?
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14:58<Ant_>azeem they've got some funny stuff installed, I'll see if anyone else ran an upgraded version on their servers
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14:59<mythtv>ooh, too noob to understand quite what that means
14:59<mythtv>try to load a kernel module?
14:59<mythtv>I have been doing it by unplugging and replugging
14:59<dondelelcaro>mythtv: you need to unload whatever the driver is using modprobe -r foomodule; then modprobe foomdoule;
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15:00<Ant_>is there a project that builds .debs for older versions of debian?
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15:00<dondelelcaro>Debian does it itself for a limited period of time
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15:01<dondelelcaro>but etch has been released for a while, so odds are sarge won't be supported for much longer
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15:02<Ant_>ahh, I remember with mandrake (I think) there was a repository you could add that was maintained seperately to the main one for older versions, with the latest PHP / MYSQL / Postfix etc
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15:06<mythtv>nope I get the same as
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15:11<mythtv>hmmn, pluggin the mouse into the USB2 card does not give me pointer comtrol
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15:14<mythtv>ok rem usbhid and probeing again gives me mouse thru the card
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15:17<mythtv>how to I get verbose debuggin on the firmware loader?
15:17<mythtv>does it dump into a syslog somewhere?
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15:23<shawn>Ive installed bitlbee and i can't run it, may someone help?
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15:25<xbc>shawn, anny errormessages?
15:25<shawn>i type bitlbee
15:25<shawn>and he sas commadn not found
15:25<shawn>but when i type sudo bitlbee
15:25<shawn>it launches
15:25<shawn>and ask me why he has root privileges?
15:26<xbc>what does "type bitlbee" say?
15:27<shawn>lemme try it
15:27<azeem>shawn: usually, bitlbee is run from inetd, i.e. you should just do "/connect localhost" from irssi and it should work
15:27<shawn>bitlebee not found
15:27<azeem>shawn: but you're right, bitlbee shouldn't need root
15:28<azeem>xbc: what is "type"?
15:28<xbc>azeem, a command
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15:28<shawn>azeem you mean bitlbee runs automatically when you start your comp?
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15:29<azeem>shawn: no, it starts automatically when you connect to it
15:29<shawn>isnt it a open port for hackers?
15:29<azeem>it should only listen on localhost
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15:29<shawn>ahhhhhhhh ok
15:29<shawn>im reassured now:)
15:30<azeem>eh, scratch that
15:30<azeem>it listen on the network
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15:31<azeem>shawn: you can easily lock it down via /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} I guess
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15:31<shawn>mmm ok
15:31<shawn>thx azeem
15:32<azeem>plus you need to identify to biltblee to make use of it
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15:32<azeem>and bitlbee runs as user `bitlbee' if started through inetd, not as root
15:33<azeem>but you shouldn't run it on an internet server I guess
15:34<shawn>he asked me to register password
15:34<azeem>22:31 < azeem> plus you need to identify to biltblee to make use of it
15:34<shawn>so no one can use ti swithout the apssword?
15:34<azeem>people can use it, but not for your IM accounts
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15:34<azeem>if you don't like that, firewall it off
15:34<azeem>shawn: is your box directly on the internet, or behind a router
15:35<slackware>I'm brazilian...
15:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:35<slackware>You talk portuguese
15:35<shawn>router but its on demilitarised zone
15:35<shawn>so its like there isnt any router
15:35<azeem>so people from the internet cannot connect I guess?
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15:35<shawn>hope so
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15:36<shawn>but if they cant connect but cant log as me idf they dont have myy pass?
15:36<azeem>right, I guess
15:36<azeem>22:33 < azeem> people can use it, but not for your IM accounts
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15:39<Mindtech>Does anyone use the multimedia repositories?
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15:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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15:40<Mindtech>When using the multimedia repositoires, where can I see a list of packages that I can get from it?
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15:41<zms>does anyone know when linux image with xen be released for 2.6.22?
15:41<azeem>Mindtech: you can look through /var/lib/apt/lists/*debian-multimedia*Packages* I guess
15:42<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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15:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:46<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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15:47<zms>where do I get 2.6.22 with xen for debian?
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15:58<snowball>sagt mal, was muss ich beim wechsel von lilo auf grub beachten ? dpkg -r lilo + dpkg -i grub mit update-grub wird wohl allein nicht reichen ?!
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15:59<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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16:01<frank>snowball: for remove/installing packages you normally use apt-get/aptitutde not dpkg
16:01<snowball>oh sorry i forgot i joined the english one. So heres my problem. I want wo switch my bootloader from lilo to grub. Is it enough to remove lilo, install grub and grub-install /dev/sda3 ?
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16:01<frank>update-grub is only for updating the menu.lst
16:02<snowball>of course apt-get, im kind of ... tired right now .. thanks anyway :)
16:02<guillaume>eclipse crash under lenny amd64 at boot with this message :
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16:02<frank>I'm not sure wether grub-install is invoked by the install-scripts, so just invoke by yourself to be sure
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16:03<snowball>ill check menu.lst manually later
16:03<snowball>u think its enough to make it work correctly ?
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16:05<frank>ähm, normally you would install grub to the mbr, do you got any other bootloader there?
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16:05<frank>or why do you install it into a partition
16:05<dmad>hello. can anyone help me with something? :)
16:06<Mindtech>dmad, what do you need help with
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16:06<frank>!tell dmad about ask
16:06<snowball>well i think i have done this cause he asked me to "grub-install [OPTION] install_device" and i thought device would be the partition ... well what shall i do, use /dev/hda ?
16:07<frank>snowball: your (from your paste) says /dev/sda ..
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16:07<dmad>i'm stucked in kubuntu, the cd is broken. i download from debian boot.img.gz and using zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sdb i try to unzip all the files to stick. But total size is 512 and linux don't see all the size, only 122. I don't have enough space to copy net-install
16:07<dmad>i want to switch to debian :)
16:08<azeem>why is the cd broken?
16:08<azeem>and what files are you unzipping?
16:08<dmad>the setup freeze on 94%
16:08<dmad>i unzip boot.img.gz to my usb stick
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16:08<dmad>with fat16 file system
16:08<azeem>you said "all the files"
16:08<Mindtech>dmad, which installation are you using? netinstall? full dvd?
16:09<dmad>i want to install using USB flash and a netinstall iso
16:09<dmad>i'm stucked in linux live cd
16:09<snowball>frank yes your right ... recovery console told me hda but in chroot it IS sda. so shall i grub-install /dev/sda ?
16:09<Mindtech>which etch version are you using on the usb flash? 4.0 or 4.01?
16:09<Mindtech>I think there was an issue with 4.0 and the usb drive installations
16:10<dmad>4.0r1 i guess
16:10<frank>snowball: sure
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16:10<dmad>from here: main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
16:11<dude>azeem you still here?
16:11<azeem>dude: don't ask people, ask the channel
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16:12<dmad>yes, it's 4.0r1
16:12<dmad>but where is the problem? after zcat write to usb boot.img.gz, the space is smaller
16:12<azeem>what total size is 512?
16:13<dmad>it's the size on the USB flash
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16:13<azeem>the boot.img.gz is a 128MB image I believe
16:13<azeem>dmad: do you have issues mounting it?
16:14<dude>Ok, I am trying to figure how to send an email with an attached file. I dont want to go into mutt. I have looed at the docs for mutt and mailx so far and nothing lets my just type in a command and hit enter, sendthe email without having to enter into interactive mood. Any suggestions on what I missing or who to ask the question better so i can google it. Thanks
16:14<dmad>no, i haven't
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16:14<azeem>dmad: but it doesn't boot?
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16:14<dmad>i copied to stick bussines iso
16:14<dmad>it booted
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16:14<dondelelcaro>dude: mutt is what you generally want to use
16:15<dmad>but it give me an error, about kernel
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16:15<azeem>dmad: try to reproduce the error on a pastebin
16:15<dondelelcaro>dude: mutt is what you really want to use.
16:15<dmad>it's said like "can't find a kernel module" or something like this
16:16<dude>dondelelcaro: hey. still see you are here. Yeah. i have been using mutt, but it still makes go into the program and hit yes to send, I have am reading the mutt man pages and dont see exactly what i need to skip the interactive portion
16:16<azeem>dmad: did you copy a netinst .iso over to the stick
16:17<dmad>no, i can't copy, because after zcat i don't have enough space
16:17<dondelelcaro>dude: you can easily attach stuff without entering the interactive mode; mutt -a fooattach -s foosubject fooaddress;
16:17<dmad>after zcat, my total space on stick is 122 mb
16:17<dmad>not 512
16:17<azeem>dmad: and your netinst is how big?
16:17<dmad>7 mb boot.img.gz
16:17<dmad>138 debian-netinstall
16:18<dondelelcaro>dude: mutt -a fooattach -s foosubject fooaddress < foobody; rather.
16:18<azeem>dmad: you could try a businesscard iso
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16:18<dude>dondelelcaro: I have that exactly line you gave me but mut still makes me enter into interactive mood and want me to write a note and then hit 'y' to send
16:18<dmad>with bussines card i get the error about kernel module
16:18<azeem>dude: try to move away your ~/.muttrc temporarily
16:19<azeem>dmad: when you boot a businesscard iso?
16:19<azeem>or when you put the businesscard iso on the stick?
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16:19<dondelelcaro>dude: it won't if STDIN isn't a terminal
16:19<dondelelcaro>dude: which it isn't in the second example I gave
16:19<dude>azeem i have no .muttrc file for the time being
16:19<dude>dondelelcaro: will try
16:20<dmad>so, step 1: i write using zcat boot.img.gz. Total Stick Space: 122 mb. I download bussiness card to stick, i reboot. Allright, until i choose instalation and error about kernel
16:20[~]dondelelcaro knows it works, 'cause that's how he sends the messages to debian-debbugs-cvs
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16:21<azeem>dmad: what do you mean with "choose installation"
16:21<dude>dondelelcaro: huh. that worked, would mind telling me why that worked?
16:21<azeem>23:18 < dondelelcaro> dude: it won't if STDIN isn't a terminal
16:21<azeem>23:18 < dondelelcaro> dude: which it isn't in the second example I gave
16:21<dude>dondelelcaro: NEVER MIND
16:21<dmad>i want to install debian. i choosed
16:21<dude>dondelelcaro: I just reread what you said
16:21<dmad>keyboard, language
16:21<dude>dondelelcaro: thanks!
16:21<dmad>and after, i get the error
16:21<azeem>dmad: sounds like unsupported hardware then
16:22<azeem>dmad: is there anything more enlightening on console 2 or 3 (alt+f2, alt+f3)?
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16:24<dondelelcaro>dude: np
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16:26<dude>dondelelcaro: +++karma
16:27<Mindtech>With the default gnome desktop, I ended up removing an item on the top that would show me for example when GAIM was minized and would flash. How do I get it back?
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16:28<azeem>nird: please write in english
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16:28<azeem>Mindtech: it's the notification area applet
16:29<nird>spasibo no po angelski ya ne ochen ponimayu est rusko govoryachie
16:30<nird>russin language
16:31<azeem>well, on a version from '97, but still
16:31<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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16:31<azeem>nird: #debian-ru
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16:32<azeem>nird: you're welcome
16:32<nird>thank you
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16:33<nird>#join debian-ru ?
16:33<azeem>nird: sorry, "/join #debian-russian"
16:34<azeem>#debian-ru is empty
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16:36<Guest1754><- linux n00b with a question, if anyone could help
16:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:36<shawn>How do i find the sources for my kernel sources?
16:36<nird>i need help
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16:36<shawn>sources location i meant
16:36<azeem>shawn: why do you need them
16:37<nird>i'm sory i dont speak inglish :)
16:37<azeem>nird: ask in #debian-russian
16:37<azeem>this is still #debian
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16:37<shawn>cause i want to install rt2500 drivers(wifi cards drivers) and they say that for a linux 2.6 i need to put the sources modules to the kernel sources directory
16:38<azeem>shawn: in general, you should only need the kernel headers, not the full source
16:38<dpkg>well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
16:38<azeem>shawn: ^^ try that
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16:38<shawn>i type m-a and thats all?
16:39<azeem>sort of
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16:39<azeem>read what dpkg just said
16:39<Fill>Good nigh, could anyone please tell me how to format a pendrive under my debian system?
16:39<lucas_amorim>Hello, I was using wine to run an app when one day I booted the machine and wine was not working anymore. I cant reun winecfg as well, it totally freezes the machine in a way I have to reboot. How do I complete-ly remove it from my lenny box as if it has never been here?
16:39<Fill>•lucas_amorim• do you have the latest version?
16:40<Guest1754>I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old 8GB WD HDD, I keep running into problems with the partition utility, saying there was an error formatting/partioning the drive I set it to create an 8gb root and the remaining space (about 400mb) swap partition but it continues to give me errors, I'm currently in knoppix, and was wondering if there's a disk utility/partition app in here or one that I could acquire to try to fix this problem
16:40<lucas_amorim>I have tried apt-get remove --purge wine winelib ans other wine related packages, but when I reinstall it comes with the same problem
16:40<lucas_amorim>Fill: I think so
16:40<lucas_amorim>Fill: I'll check
16:40<azeem>Guest1754: please ask #ubuntu on
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16:41<lucas_amorim>Fill: 0.9.34-1
16:41<Fill>•lucas_amorim• Did you use apt-get to install it?
16:41<dpkg>somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
16:42<lucas_amorim>yes, this repo:
16:42<azeem>Fill: please adress people properly, i.e. as "nick:"
16:42<lucas_amorim>Fill: yes, this repo:
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16:42<Fill>•lucas_amorim• I had a simillar problem and I resolved it by unsintalling wine with apt-get remove, download the latest version from, compiled it myself and installed it my self, and problem resolved.
16:43<Fill>I'm going to check what's the latest version
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16:43<nird>what als (sorry)
16:43<lucas_amorim>Fill: ok, then I will try compiling it
16:43<Fill>the latest is 0.9.44, so I recommend you to update via their website ;)
16:43<lucas_amorim>Fill: Should i also remove the |.wine dir?
16:43<nird>debian-russian is dead
16:44<azeem>nird: be patient
16:44<lucas_amorim>Fill: Should i also remove the ~/.wine dir?
16:44<azeem>nird: there are fewer people there than here
16:44<Fill>I think it will be removed when you uninstall it
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16:45<lucas_amorim>Fill: Ok... I will try.. I will tell you what happens.
16:45<Fill>How can I format a FAT pendrive under my debian system?
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16:49<ya>russin language :)
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16:50<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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16:50<Mindtech>sort of offtopic but, whats the best way to create a wireless network whereby users need to be authenticated by username/password?
16:51<azeem>Mindtech: sounds like a VPN on top of WLAN to me
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16:54<shawn>how do i launch my wifi now thats its installedS?
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17:14<GEORGiQ>Hello, I have a problem, can somebody help me?
17:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:15<GEORGiQ>I have a problem when I try to make my PPoE connection work on Debian 7. I configured with rp-pppoe and some other configs I don't remember better because I did this 2 weeks ago and it's still don't work. Its connected but I get no ping :(
17:16<azeem>debian 7?
17:16<GEORGiQ>no sorry
17:16<GEORGiQ>the last debian
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17:17<dondelelcaro>4.0r1 is actually the most recent, but continue.
17:17<GEORGiQ>I can't get my connection work
17:17<GEORGiQ>I can't get my connection working
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17:19<GEORGiQ>what shoud be the problem?
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17:19<GEORGiQ>I did the ./go on rp-ppoe and I did configured it allright
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17:20<aan>dear sirs, how come debian doesn't smart enough to know that i'm on battery so she should skip fsck?
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17:23<dondelelcaro>aan: if it knows you're on battery, it does.
17:23<dondelelcaro>aan: however, it's quite possible that it can't discover that fact.
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17:31<aan>i found sth weird in debian initscripts, acpid (to load acpi modules) executed after, is this the way it should be?
17:31<azeem>why is this weird?
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17:33<dondelelcaro>the acpi modules should (ideally) have already be loaded by udev
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17:34<dondelelcaro>but in any event, if on_ac_power is available and does not return true, fsck doesn't get run
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17:36<merle>whois debhelper
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17:55<dkr>the debian stable aptitude install gforge failed to config gforge-web-apache because of a syntax error in httpd.conf because it supplies no argument to the SSLCetificateFile
17:55<dkr>I manually ran make-ssl-cert and edited the conf, so I can start apache. But the package is still in faield config state. and I can't run dpkg-reconfigure because ofi tnot being full yinstalled. but if I install again, I get the error with syntax and missing cert
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17:58<dkr>any idea how to resolve this?
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17:58<merle>never used gforge
17:58<dkr>do I need to extra the install script from the .deb to debug it? I've never really delved into the package system that far yet
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17:59<dkr>well, it's more a general debian issue it seems, how to fix a half-installed package. :)
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17:59<merle>did you --purge the package?
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18:02<dkr>"Use purge instead of remove for anything that would be removed"? not sure what that means. I don't want to remove it I want to install it, :)
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18:02<tcsetattr>can you dpkg --configure it?
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18:04<blarson>dkr: edit the install script in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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18:05<dkr>tcsetattr: that's the step it fails on when installing: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255
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18:05<dkr>blarson: cool, thats' mroe alogns what I thought I had to do, since it seems like a bug in the install script
18:07<blarson>dkr: You should also use reportbug to report it.
18:08<dkr>blarson: nod, will do when I figure out the problem, and verify it wasn't something I did. :)
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18:12<dkr>actually, found a month old bug report of same issue already exists
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18:23<zulu9>hi! does anyone know what is the reason for the delay of openarena 0.7 to enter unstable? according to the package is ready and waiting for upload for 2 weeks now
18:24<simonrvn>ask ftpmaster
18:24<azeem>eh, no
18:25<azeem>it just means that package is not maintained by a DD, and the guy didn't find somebody to upload it for him
18:25<dondelelcaro>yeah, a DD who actually cares about that package would have to sponsor it
18:26<dondelelcaro>considering that he hasn't asked on mentors, it may take a while (or he's waiting for a debian-games member)
18:26<simonrvn>oh, ok. assumed it'd been done up by a dd. ("don't ASSuME ..." ;)
18:26<zulu9>ok. as far as I know openarena is handled by the debian games team. usually packages handled by them don't take that long. so I wonderes if there is a particular issue preventing it from entering the repo
18:26<zulu9>as 0.7 introduced many new maps and models I thought there might be some licence issues or such
18:27<azeem>zulu9: there's a debian games chan I think
18:27<azeem>we don't know anything about it
18:27<zulu9>ok. thx. I'll look for that chan (do you know where is is, here or freenode?) then
18:27<simonrvn>probably here
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18:28<zulu9>thanks. it is here. I'm asking there now
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18:57<hotfoot>i installed debain and when it boots all i get is unix startx doesnt work or apt-get ????
18:57<azeem>hotfoot: what graphics card do you have?
18:57<hotfoot>i try apt-get install xfree86
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18:57<hotfoot>voodoo or something
18:58<azeem>which version of Debian did you install?
18:58<hotfoot>debian netinst
18:58<azeem>which version of it?
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18:58<hotfoot>testing i think
18:58<azeem>what was the filename of the iso you downloaded?
18:59<tcsetattr>in a recent version, you'll be needing "xorg" packages instead of "xfree86"
18:59<tcsetattr>start with apt-get install x-window-system ... that should work on the current versions of Debian and older versions too.
18:59<YZaK>hi there... anyone using ipaq to help me out?
18:59<azeem>for voodoo?
18:59<tcsetattr>I see there is an xserver-xorg-video-voodoo
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19:00<azeem>YZaK: you're running Debian on your ipaq?
19:00<tcsetattr>and also xserver-xorg-video-tdfx which seems to overlap it
19:00<tcsetattr>but getting x-window-system should include all of the drivers
19:01<YZaK>let me try to be more specific: I'm running testing with kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64
19:01<YZaK>when I try to start usbnet, nothing happens
19:02<YZaK>I'm trying to make a host-to-host connection between my desk and my ipaq
19:02<hotfoot>so first i type apt-get install x-window-system
19:02<hotfoot>the the xorg
19:02<tcsetattr>or you could run tasksel, and pick out some stuff from the menu
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19:02<azeem>hotfoot: what happened?
19:03<tcsetattr>x-window-system is a small but usable X environment... enough to make startx work
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19:03<hotfoot>ok then i can get fluxbox?
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19:03<azeem>hotfoot: does X work now?
19:04<YZaK>hotfoot: if you just want fluxbox, just apt-get install fluxbox and the package system does the rest
19:04<hotfoot>im on live cd gotta boot back into debain
19:04<azeem>YZaK: you missed the beginning
19:04<YZaK>azeem: sorry
19:05<hotfoot>well it boots to athing where it says my ip adress and apt-get doesnt find anything
19:05<azeem>what is "it"?
19:06<azeem>what is the error?
19:06<azeem>does apt-get update work?
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19:06<hotfoot>it builds dependencies and scan packages but says cannot find package
19:07<azeem>hotfoot: paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to a pastebin
19:07<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
19:07<hotfoot>ill try all these n thanks
19:07<ranix>I have had my most positive experience with open source software
19:07<ranix>so far
19:07<lucas_amorim>hello, I have just build wine from source. It is working but its directory came up with more than 300MB!!! is it really necessary? I mean, can I delete anything?
19:08<ranix>I downloaded a little tiny program for connecting to a mud client, and it didn't have some functionality I was looking for - but it had everything else. So, I downloaded the source and added the functionality
19:08<azeem>lucas_amorim: ask the wine people, maybe, if you compiled from source
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19:08<ranix>I just wanted to say that to some people, because it feels really good to me!
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19:09<RottNE>Quick Question: How would I go about deleting files by date range??
19:09<lucas_amorim>azeem: :( there is only 3 user on #wine from freenode.. tehy never answer anything
19:09<azeem>lucas_amorim: and #winehq?
19:09<lucas_amorim>:D I did not know this channel :p
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19:09<lucas_amorim>I will try that
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19:10<RottNE>Can someone answer a quick question for me?
19:11<YZaK>RottNE: What's that?
19:11<RottNE>How would I go about deleting files by date range??
19:11<dondelelcaro>RottNE: use find to locate them, then xargs to rm.
19:11<YZaK>yeah, I use scripts also
19:12<RottNE>: ok, i will try that... thank you for now ;)
19:12<dondelelcaro>RottNE: man find, and read about ctime to get started. (you'll also want to man xargs along the way)
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19:14<YZaK>anyone uses/used usbnet to connect to ipaq?
19:14<YZaK>having a hard time here
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19:15<tcsetattr>compiled with -g, lucas?
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19:19<Skaarj>i want to update a debian server
19:19<Skaarj>uname -a
19:19<Skaarj>Linux Debian-40-etch-64-LAMP 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:19<Skaarj> apt-get update & apt-get upgrade say :
19:19<Skaarj>The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64
19:19<Skaarj>how do i find out why its kept back ? or is this not relevant an can i irgnore this ?
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19:19<azeem>Skaarj: try apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64
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19:20<Skaarj>Installation successful.
19:20<Skaarj>thank you very much
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19:26[~]N3bunel away
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19:33<kop>So if I want to see flash stuff what free packages should I install, swf-player? And are there any important reasons why I would want something non-free?
19:33<dondelelcaro>the primary reason is that the non-free player is buggy
19:34<kop>dondelelcaro: The _non-free_ one is buggy? I'd have thought the free one was late to the game in this case.
19:35<kop>azeem: ?
19:35<dondelelcaro>I probably should say that all flash players are buggy; the non-free one shows things correctly but will crash your browser. The gnash doesn't show things correctly, but generally doesn't explode.
19:35<dondelelcaro>there's rarely a point to installing either, though
19:35<YZaK>i've tested several of them and the only one that worked fine it was the non-free
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19:36<YZaK>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree does the trick
19:36<kop>dondelelcaro: I've never had one installed, and I sure don't want video ads crudding up my browsing experience, but I figure there's got to be fun stuff on youtube.
19:36<YZaK>it downloads and installs from macromedia
19:36<dondelelcaro>kop: clive for youtube
19:37<dondelelcaro>kop: just feed it youtube urls, and it downloads them so you can play them later.
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19:37<ranix>not that it's related to this topic, but wikipedia is sure funny
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19:38<kop>dondelelcaro: apitutude search clive returns nothing. Is this something in etch?
19:39<dondelelcaro>kop: may not be in etch
19:39<ranix>not in etch
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19:40<kungfu>hola gente
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19:45<kop>In an attempt to improve my debian-fu I'm trying to use apt-file instead of the package search. "apt-file search ftp" returns nothing, what am I mis-understanding? I've tried as root too.
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19:45<gsimmons>kop: Did you run "apt-file update" beforehand?
19:46<kop>gsimmons: Nope. Never. I'll rtfm again.
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19:49<kop>gsimmons: Ok. Much better. Thanks. I get it now.
19:49<Azreal>why am i not seeing any i386 daily builds of testing?
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19:51<Azreal>anyways, i cant boot into a new dist-upgraded sid install, something happening with /dev/.static/dev failed, then followed by target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init, then it drops me into busybox. any clues?
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19:53<f0rtune>is it possible to connect my debian desktop computer to my laptop, and use my laptop's internet connection on my debian desktop?
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19:54<dondelelcaro>depends what type of connection and what the laptop is running
19:54<kop>f0rtune: And it's got a wired nic too to connect to the desktop?
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19:55<kop>f0rtune: Network Interface Card. ethernet-esque.
19:55<kop>f0rtune: And while on the desktop you can, say, ping the laptop already?
19:56<Azreal>anyone know of any known issues with current 686 sid kernel causeing my boot problems?
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19:57<swatikiss>i am having trouble loading my nvidia module with my new kernel
19:57<Azreal>im assueming it is the kernel, because im only doing a bare minimum install, and trying to dist-upgrade, afterwards i cannot boot and get the above errors about init.
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19:59<Azreal>and, why am i not seeing any i386 daily builds of testing? ive been looking for the past few days, and it doesnt look like there have been any for some time.
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20:00<dondelelcaro>Azreal: that's just the installer; they'll probably start up again when the d-i developers feel that it's stabalized enough to make them useful
20:03<Azreal>dondelelcaro, thanx, and any ideas about my booting troubles?
20:04<dondelelcaro>Azreal: you most likely have an initrd which for whatever reason doesn't allow you to mount your root filesystem.
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20:05<f0rtune>kop:no i cannot ping my laptop from the desktop pc
20:06<kop>f0rtune: There are 3 basic things you need to know.
20:07<Azreal>dondelelcaro, hmm, thats a similar problem i had before, with driver for scsi controller
20:07<f0rtune>kop: like what?
20:07<kop>f0rtune: 1) Basic networking. How to assign IP addresses to interfaces (man interfaces) and DNS (man resolv.conf) and maybe DHCP. There's the networking section of the debian reference manual (sec 10) at
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20:08<kop>f0rtune: 2) How to pass IP datagrams through your laptop. (sysctl -a | grep forward At least net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1) (man sysctl and man sysctl.conf)
20:09<dondelelcaro>Azreal: yeah, that usually means that the right module isn't in your /etc/modules or something else went wrong.
20:09<dpkg>i guess masq is See: by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L
20:09<kop>That guy has a short attention span.
20:09<Azreal>dondelelcaro, so it seems that after dist-upgradeing, it trys to replace kernel 2.6.18 with 2.6.22, and thats where the trouble begins, so how do i verify that everything is in place before trying to reboot with 2.6.22?
20:09<dondelelcaro>Azreal: well, you should keep 2.6.18 installed, and then check what it has actually put in the initrd
20:10<Azreal>dondelelcaro, how do i check that out?
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20:11<dondelelcaro>Azreal: you can either uncompress it and mount it (or use cpio, depending on what type of initramfs it is) or use mkinitramfs (or whatever you're using) to rebuild it with the verbose mode so you can see what gets added
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20:15<Azreal>dondelelcaro, thanx a lot
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20:21<chuy_max>is there a way to authenticate nfs so not everyone enters my exported directories?
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20:29<maik>hello there need some help.. i want my vi to be colorized.. u know like the VI of rhel ^_^
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20:39<tolecnal>maik: in short, install vim and add "syntax on" your ~/.vimrc
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20:44<maik>where could i find the /.vimrc?
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20:46<amphi>maik: in ~
20:47<amphi>maik: there's probably a global one in /etc/vim
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20:51<dbldtx>Everything on my computer is perfection except one, initrd.img-2.6.18-5-486
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20:52<maik>wow thanks a lot guys ^_~
20:52<dbldtx>Exists and so does initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686... now I use 486, how can I get rid of this 686 version so that I either can't see it as an option as boot, or so it's not there.
20:52<tolecnal>maik: you'll never look at another editor again :)
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20:53<maik>yes thanks a lot.. its really a problem for an old guy like me for using a plain VI its really hard to code ~_~
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20:55<tolecnal>you're more than welcome :)
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21:31<CutMeOwnThroat>one wonders why syntax highlighting isnt enabled by default... it's also one of the 1st things I switch on
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21:33<tcsetattr>I've found it to be "on by default" often enough to consider it a persistent annoyance
21:33<tcsetattr>apparently it senses what you want and does the opposite
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21:35<rav>hello. how can i create a specific device for my usb mp3 player?
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22:00<Silver>why did uban me i wasnt finished expaining
22:00<Silver>and it was a joke
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22:08<grad>Hi! How to recognize that security updates really change soft in Etch?
22:09<H>is it enogh to see the aptitude runing?
22:10<H>or apt
22:10<H>when u do dpkg -L | grep package name u will see that u have diferent version runing
22:11<H>or just ask the program aplication --version
22:11<grad>For example, I have only one package /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb
22:11<H>or click in the about
22:11<dondelelcaro>grad: you should be subscribed to debian-security-announce, have a security line in your sources.list, and run aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; from time to time.
22:11<H>one kernel
22:12<dondelelcaro>grad: and that particular kernel is out of date; -5 has been released.
22:12<ameyer>isn't it -6 that came out recently?
22:13<ameyer>I thought -5 shipped with etch and -6 was released recently
22:13<rav>if i want to make a specific device for my usb mp3 player, should I modify my udev.rules file?
22:14<grad>I have a security line in sources.list and run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade from time to time
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22:16<dondelelcaro>ameyer: -4 was with r0, and -5 came in r1 on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:25 -0600
22:16<grad> - "These problems have been fixed in the stable distribution in version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch1."
22:16<dondelelcaro>grad: yes, those fixes have been supplanted by the -5 kernel in r1.
22:16<grad>But I have 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2.
22:17<dondelelcaro>grad: yes, so you need to run aptitude update; then aptitude upgrade; which will upgrade you to the -5 kernel.
22:17<ameyer>yeah, you're right
22:17<dondelelcaro>which is 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch1.
22:18<dondelelcaro>so s/have been supplanted by/are/;
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22:19<ameyer>ahh, there's the debian-security rss feed...
22:21<chealer>dondelelcaro: not dist-upgrade?
22:21<dondelelcaro>chealer: not needed with aptitude
22:21<grad>I have this string in sources.list: deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
22:21<dondelelcaro>grad: yes, that's fine.
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22:21<grad>then run sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;
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22:23<rav>was my device detected as usb or scsi?
22:23<grad>And package of kernel-image still has old version: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb
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22:24<dondelelcaro>grad: what does dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-5-686; say?
22:25<chealer>dondelelcaro: is aptitude upgrade; equivalent to aptitude full-upgrade? or what?
22:25<grad>No packages found matching linux-image-2.6-686.
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22:25<grad>No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.18-5-686.
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22:26<Straight>good night everybody
22:27<Straight>anybody in home ?
22:28<tomatosmoke>when configure etc/apt/sorces,list , does this line work deb-src stable main contrib non free
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22:29<tomatosmoke>the black screen is cool n all but some fluxbox would sure be neat
22:30<grad>I have linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
22:30<tomatosmoke>should i have th at
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22:31<tomatosmoke>i s it not easy for when the robot war comes
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22:32<tomatosmoke>deploy akamatik techno logies
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22:33<cobra>hi #debian
22:33<cwhat>what is a good IDE for C++ in Linux
22:34<rav>can anyone help me with udev rules?
22:34<rav>cwhat: i like eclipse
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22:36<chealer>cwhat: maybe kdevelop, if you use KDE.
22:37<tomatosmoke>its like looking at something but not seeing it
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22:38<chealer>tomatosmoke: debian, not debain
22:38<tomatosmoke>trapped in 1/2 D
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22:40<grad>Which kernel is the best for Etch system: 2.6.18-4 or 2.6.18-5 ???
22:41<simonrvn>-5 if it's the right arch for the box
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22:42<simonrvn>and it's "better", because of the patches debian makes on the kernels
22:43<cwhat>rav: it says it doesn't come with compiler or debugger. what do you use for that/
22:45<grad>I installed Etch in May and only run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from time to time, but kernel still have version -4. Is it normal??
22:46<simonrvn>you have to reboot to the new kernel
22:47<grad>After reboot my kernel version will be the same - 2.6.18-4
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22:52<simonrvn>well, you'll need to install -5 ;)
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22:53<Mindtech> i download the new etch DVDs, whats the md5 command to validate the files?
22:53<chealer>grad: you need to use dist-upgrade instead to upgrade Linux
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22:53<RottNE>Hello Linux Gurus
22:53<chealer>Mindtech: md5sum
22:53<grad>I'll try
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22:54<RottNE>Could someone answer a question for me please?
22:54<Mindtech>chealer, do I type anything after md5sum
22:54<chealer>Mindtech: yes (the filename)
22:55<chealer>RottNE: done
22:55<grad>apt-get dist-upgrade writes: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
22:55<RottNE>chealer: how would i go about listing the largest files on the system? or searching and sorting?
22:56<Mindtech>so how do I know if its good?
22:56<RottNE>i am running out of hd space and would like to clean up some files
22:56<chealer>RottNE: ask the channel, not me in particular.
22:56<chealer>RottNE: which X session type do you use?
22:57<RottNE>chealer: i am not quite sure i understand your question, i am fairly new to debian
22:57<chealer>Mindtech: you compare the output with the MD5 sum.
22:57<chealer>RottNE: do you use KDE?
22:57<Mindtech>to what?
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22:57<RottNE>chealer: the command line interface
22:58<gsimmons_>RottNE: Take a look at the commands listed at <> for listing large files.
22:58<Mindtech>What do I compare the output to?
22:58<RottNE>gsimmons: thank you, i will look into that
22:58<chealer>Mindtech: oh, sorry. you don't directly validate the file. you get its MD5 sum using md5sum, then you compare it with the sum which is written on the mirrors.
22:59<Mindtech>I really dont get it
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23:00<Mindtech>so i type $ md5sum MD5SUMS
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23:00<chealer>Mindtech: no, $ md5sum x.iso
23:01<gsimmons_>RottNE: dpigs (part of 'debian-goodies' package) is also handy.
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23:04<Mindtech>crap... all these failures
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23:07<RottNE>gsimmons_: ok, i will give that a try
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23:09<pabs>is there any way to set the inode change time on an inode to an arbitrary time?
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23:21<zangetsu>Hola , alguien me puede ayudar , i need help
23:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:23<JasonS>i think
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23:24<chealer>!tell zangetsu about es
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23:25<JasonS>or that one :)
23:25<chealer>zangetsu: if you ask a question in English, yes.
23:25<zangetsu>ok, my english is very bad , sorry
23:26<zangetsu>so , in the console put "lspci"
23:26<zangetsu>and debian tell me : command not found
23:26<gsimmons_>zangetsu: Install the 'pciutils' package.
23:26<zangetsu>i install #debian minimal install#
23:27<zangetsu>ok . apt-get install pciutils
23:28<chealer>zangetsu: yes
23:28<zangetsu>ok , good , sorry for my english
23:28<zangetsu>muchas gracias !! por la ayuda
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23:30<simonrvn>de nada :P
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23:34<shooter>hi all!
23:35<shooter>Who worked in mandriva?
23:36<chealer>shooter: uh, what do you mean...this is a Debian support channel.
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23:37<shooter>that this Debian?
23:38<chealer>shooter: what?
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23:39<shooter>that this Debian?
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23:40<shooter>I bad dialect on english
23:40<chealer>shooter: I don't understand your question. there is a russian Debian channel at #debian-ru
23:40<RottNE>hello room, I have yet found a successful way to locate the largest files on the system
23:40<RottNE>disk is 97% full and growing at an alarming rate
23:41<shooter>chealer thank you
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23:42<pabs>RottNE: du -bxS / | sort -rn | head ; ls -Ssh /foo/bar
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23:43<RottNE>pabs: ok i will try that
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23:46<RottNE>i ran that command and i just get a blinking cursor... is that a command that might take awhile to fully execute
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23:49<pabs>yes, it scans your whole root partition
23:49<RottNE>was it ok that i replace /foo/bar with just /
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23:50<pabs>/foo/bar is the directory the previous command says is the biggest (at the top)
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23:51<RottNE>i dont have that direcotry...
23:51<pabs>no-one does, you should replace it with the directory the previous command says is the biggest (the one at the top)
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23:52<Serialkiller>Any know how to port forward on a cisco pix?
23:53<RottNE>i am sorry , late night and have been losing my mind... which previous command are you speaking of?
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23:53<pabs>RottNE: du -bxS / | sort -rn | head
23:53<RottNE>ok, lemme try that
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23:54<RottNE>ok, its doing its thing now
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