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---Logopened Mon Aug 27 00:00:04 2007
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00:01<omg0_>I installed the Xorg and configure it but its not booting up to the gui
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00:01<omg0_>what step am I missing in the process
00:01<Inty>how about installing a window manager?
00:02<Inty>cause Xorg alone aint usefull
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00:02<omg0_>ah. What command does that
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00:02<Inty>dunno which window manager / desktop enviroment you want
00:02<Inty>apt-get install gnome
00:03<omg0_>thank. aptitude install gnome works
00:03<Inty>that works too
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00:26[~]vastinfest good morning..
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00:32<Jewfro-Macabbi>how do you get ntp to stay sinked w/net servers. I have ntpdate installed - running the command "ntpdate" returns the error "ntp socket already in use".
00:33<jm_>use ntpdate -u
00:34<jm_>or switch to using ntpdate-debian and edit /etc/default/ntpdate
00:38<Jewfro-Macabbi>meh, some progress, now it tells me "no servers can be used, exiting"
00:41<Jewfro-Macabbi>I have servers in there in both /etc/ntp.conf and /etc/default/ntp - ntpdate-debian returns the same error
00:43<blarson>Jewfro-Macabbi: ntpdate does not read servers from the config, the server must be specified on the command line, or use /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
00:44<Jewfro-Macabbi>ntpdate -u - for example then?
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00:44<jm_>ntpdate-debian does
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00:47<Jewfro-Macabbi>/etc/init.d/ntpdate returns no such file or directory - both ntp and ntpdate are installed
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00:51<Jewfro-Macabbi>finally got it set - thanks guys
00:52<Requiem>okay, good idea bad idea
00:52<Requiem>Intel's drivers reccomend installing with git
00:52<Requiem>will that mass up the package manager at all?
00:52<Requiem>esp later when these things get rolled into X
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01:08<jm_>Requiem: it will and Debian's version will overwrite them with the next update
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01:09<Requiem>ah, okay, so roll it in to a .deb and do it that way then
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01:18<the_bull>hello all
01:18<the_bull>hey Requiem
01:18<the_bull>can u help me regarding python?
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01:20<the_bull>can nyone help me regarding python?
01:21<chealer>!tell the_bull about ask
01:21<Requiem>one of these takes a full kernel recompile
01:21<the_bull>i hv this problem
01:21<Requiem>(need to do that anyway though, so eh)
01:21<the_bull> print "Number1 is greater than Number2 "
01:21<the_bull> ^
01:21<the_bull>IndentationError: expected an indented block
01:22<the_bull>i hv also tried with print"Number1...."
01:22<the_bull>but, nothing happened
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01:25<the_bull>i tried google
01:25<the_bull>but... it also showed nothing
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01:27<peterS>I believe #python is on
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01:28<peterS>anyway, it seems to be expecting you to indent the beginning of the print statement. the location of the ^ doesn't really make this clear
01:29<jm_>the great lets restrict you with syntax idiotism
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01:30<the_bull>jm, i canot get you, what?
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01:34<the_bull>jm, what is syntax idotism?
01:35<peterS>the_bull: ignore that, he is just complaining about python in general
01:35<jm_>the_bull: read some books about python and you'll find out about restrictions
01:35<peterS>the_bull: the point is, the python interpreter believes that you are starting a block that needs to be indented, but you didn't indent the first line of the block
01:36<the_bull>peterS, then what will be the code?
01:36<peterS>the_bull: you really should take this to #python on, you know. it has nothing to do with debian
01:36<peterS>the_bull: but basically, if you don't understand what "indenting" means, you will have a lot of problems with python in the future
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01:38<peterS>it is a pretty central concept in python, you'll need to know it early
01:39<the_bull>peterS, yep! i agree... nd i think i know the basic of indentation as i did it in C/C++ and Java
01:39<jm_>see? :)
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01:40<the_bull>peterS, but what is the problem in print 'Number1 is greater....'
01:40<peterS>then you shouldn't be having trouble with the question of what the error message means
01:40<the_bull>peterS, that`s makes me surprised....
01:40<the_bull>i hv indented the whole code with IDLE
01:40<the_bull>but, the problem occurs yet
01:41<peterS>when I tell you you need to indent the line and you still seem confused....
01:41<peterS>one thing about python, you cannot indent it automatically, it must be done by hand
01:41<peterS>since indentation carries information content, knowing how to indent your code requires knowing what the code is supposed to do
01:42<the_bull>i hv solved the problem
01:42<the_bull>i gave space 4 times and compile solved
01:43<the_bull>i don`t know... why the proper indentation happen in IDLE
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01:43<peterS>I told you. no automated process can indent python code. it _must_ be done by a human with a brain
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01:44<peterS>the python interpreter can tell you "uh, this seems to be wrong" in a few cases, like it did for you. but in the general case, it cannot know whether your indentation is right or wrong.
01:44<peterS>and neither can your editor or your IDE or your boss
01:44<peterS>(unless your boss also has a brain)
01:47<the_bull>peterS, that means....i need a lot of experience in order to be a "hardcore python programmer"...haha 8-D
01:48<peterS>it mainly means you have to know what your code is supposed to do, then indent it accordingly
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01:48<peterS>you can't tell your computer "figure out what my code is supposed to do, so you can automatically indent it". the first half of that is problematic with today's computers
01:49<the_bull>peterS, then why don`t python configure this indentation problem anyway? whereas auto indentation is done with C,C++ and Java and also lisp and prolog?
01:50<peterS>the_bull: because indentation carries information, in python. indentation is used _instead of_ things like { } to denote where blocks start and end.
01:50<peterS>the_bull: you can't tell a program "figure out where to put my { and } in this C program, which by the way is also not indented properly". see the problem?
01:52<the_bull>kk...but how do i know that.... i need to press space 4 times in order to be proper indented?
01:52<peterS>writing a python program without indenting it is like writing a C program leaving out all the { } characters. you have to know what to fix before you can fix it
01:52<peterS>anyway - take it to #python on, which I believe I've already mentioned twice
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01:55<the_bull>peterS, i hv asked various questions in #python
01:55<the_bull>but... i think... they are dumb or something like that
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03:02<WildOS>anyone ever heard about a tool named lib? what is it?
03:02<WildOS>same as libtool?
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03:11<WildOS>what's the command to get the location of binaries of other commands?
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03:14<metalqga>i got many serious attacks on my firestarter log,
03:14<metalqga>is it serious?
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03:19<dondelelcaro>WildOS: which
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03:21<seanius>metalqga: i've had to resign myself to accepting a low constant of breakin attempts
03:22<ameyer>ameyer17@vodka:~$ host
03:22<ameyer> domain name pointer
03:23<ameyer>it's presumably OFTC looking for zombied windows boxen trying to connect
03:23<seanius>achh, zombies
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03:25<metalqga>I added it to my blacklist
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03:27<ameyer>I'm pretty sure that wasn't neccessary
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03:29<metalqga>it made me react because so far i've had only 1-5 attempts but now...
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03:56<indraveni>need help in using banshee music player in debian
03:56<indraveni>how can i add new station for radio
03:56<indraveni>that is, how can i find out which url's does this banshee support for playing radio
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04:09<metalqga>try rhythmbox
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04:17<wildchild>is anyone awake?
04:18<wildchild>i'm having trouble with speedstep on a xeon 3050
04:18<wildchild>reported freqs are wrong and i need help figuring out why
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04:20<azeem>dewd: please don't write in all caps
04:20<dewd>I want to know how can I install GCC/GNU On Debian.
04:21<dewd>That's a stupid question.
04:21<njende>dewd: its not
04:21<azeem>you shouldn't need to install gcc usually, so I'm asking
04:21<dewd>& When I need?
04:22<mseng>dewd: how did you install debian?
04:22<dewd>well, It was pre-installed.
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04:22<azeem>dewd: do you know how to install packages in general?
04:22<njende>dewd: apt-cache show gcc
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04:22<dewd>njende: I'd have done that before, but apt* is *NOT* installed.
04:22<mseng>njende: you blew it
04:23<azeem>dewd: then it's not Debian
04:23<njende>haben't blown anything
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04:24<azeem>dewd: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" output?
04:24<dewd>DAMN, am I here to ask or to be asked?
04:25<JasonS>dewd: they are trying to help you
04:25<dewd>aha, wait.
04:25<dewd>I thought they're testing my skills.
04:25<dewd>sorry azeem
04:25<dewd>Gimme a sec.
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04:26<azeem>dewd: if you don't have apt* commands, that might mean your system is terribly strange and might need larger-scale fixing than just installing gcc
04:26<dewd>& that's the perfect reason, I'm here.
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04:28<the-dude>if you removed apt you must have typed 'Yes, do as I say!' somewere
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04:28<azeem>11:21 < dewd> well, It was pre-installed.
04:28<dewd>[root@thecooldewd root]# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
04:28<dewd>-bash: dpkg: command not found
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04:29<ameyer>and I'm not even sure if apt would let you remove it even if you did that
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04:29<mseng>dewd: what makes you think this is a debian system?
04:29<the-dude>doesn't sound like a debian-box
04:29<azeem>dewd: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
04:29<the-dude>cat /etc/debian_version
04:29<njende>dewd: sure debian is installed?
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04:30<azeem>people, we don't need to ask him the same question four times all the time
04:30<dewd>Think this company gave me a VPS just for uploading site.
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04:30<ameyer>or some bastardized variant thereof like *spire or Xandros or even *buntu
04:30<azeem>what's a VPS?
04:30<azeem>ameyer: they all have dpkg
04:30<mseng>virtual private server
04:30<azeem>dewd: I suggest you complain to that company if they promised you a Debian system
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04:31<ameyer>azeem: are we even sure dewd has debian?
04:31<azeem>we established that he hasn't
04:32<madav>hello, can someone pls help me get my wlan card to work? :P
04:32<azeem>madav: what kind of card is it?
04:32<madav>intel ipw2200
04:32<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
04:33<dewd>Look, I just know this much, My friend ordered a 'Debian' OS for the VPS from the company.
04:33<madav>ok, ty, ill try :)
04:34<kenneth>hello, how can I get banshee to play m4a files? I didn't get any hits on google for debian.
04:34<azeem>dewd: and we know as much as this is not a Debian system
04:34<azeem>dewd: what does "uname -a" say?
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04:35<dewd>I pasted that before in your private.
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04:35<azeem>dewd: I didn't see that, and you shouldn't /msg people without them asking your for it anyway
04:35<mseng>many providers use suse for their VPS
04:35<azeem>11:32 <dewd> Linux 2.6.9-023stab044.4-enterprise #1 SMP Thu May 24 17:41:23 MSD 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
04:35<azeem>dewd: looks like RedHat Enterprise, maybe
04:36<mseng>ah, or redhat
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04:36<azeem>dewd: is there a "lsb_release" command?
04:36<azeem>or anything lsb*
04:36<azeem>dewd: what about rpm?
04:37<dewd>There is.
04:37<dewd>Yeah, Thanks, I can see that.
04:37<dewd>It's RedHat.
04:38<the-dude>just because a machine has rpm it does not mean it is redhat
04:38<mseng>and now you need guidance how to debootstrap debian on that running system? :o)
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04:38<azeem>mseng: uh
04:39<azeem>it doesn't matter, it's not Debian
04:39<mseng>azeem: what? :o)
04:40<jm_>cat /etc/redhat-release
04:41<dewd>Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang)
04:41<mseng>wow. that is ancient!
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04:46<dewd>Anyone knows the link for downloading gcc-2.96-69.i386.rpm
04:46<mseng>dewd: #fedora on Freenode IRC is a much better place from now on
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04:47<ameyer>FC2 has been unsupported since before I started using *nix...
04:47<ameyer>My first distro was FC3
04:48<mseng>ameyer: that shall not be our problem until he wants to debootstrap a debian system from there :o)
04:48<nubbun>If you want to compile GCC by source, I can give a link.
04:48<azeem>mseng: you seem to be very keen on that
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04:48<ameyer>gcc 2.96 would be ancient anyway
04:48<nubbun>How do I put the Framebuffer fbdev into 24 bit mode?
04:49<madav>re, i made a restart, and i just wanted to say: THANKYOU :)
04:49<dewd>nubbun: You're gonna guide me till the rest of setup process as well?
04:49<jm_>nubbun: did you read FB docs?
04:49<mseng>azeem: i know many people who got a virtual private server with suse and wanted to go debian. it can be done without much pain if the provider offers a rescue console
04:49<madav>next time ill know ;)
04:49<dewd>If I download the GCC & install it by source?
04:49<azeem>dewd: please ask elsewhere
04:49<azeem>dewd: we don't offer support for non-Debian systems, sorry
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04:50<nubbun>dewd. No. Read the docs like I did.
04:51<mseng>the VPS does not have an own kernel. which makes it quite easy to switch
04:51<nubbun>dewd. Are you running debian?
04:51<dewd>DAMN, I'm bombarded with questions.
04:51<dewd>Well, Thanks for the help.
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04:51<mseng>stressed arab :o)
04:52<JasonS>that was bombarded with questions? heh
04:52<JasonS>oh well
04:52<nubbun>JasonS: are you bombarded with questions? ;-)
04:52<JasonS>nubbun: just from the voices in my head
04:52<mseng>JasonS: what do they say? bring moreeee coffeeeee?
04:53<JasonS>mseng: actually right now that's exactly what they're saying
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04:54<nubbun>schoinobates: Do you know how to put the framebuffer into 24 bit color mode for X Windows?
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04:54<schoinobates>Any reason you ask me specifically?
04:54<oddtod>hey guys
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04:56<ameyer>I have to wonder if dewd perhaps "acquired" that VPS
04:56<ameyer>oh well...
04:56<nubbun>schoinobates: because you just arrived.
04:56<schoinobates>But I'd say "depth" and "defaultdepth" in section screen in /etc/x11/xorg.conf
04:57<nubbun>I tried that and it wasn't sufficient. I think I just got a blank screen when I ran X.
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04:58<nubbun>schoinobates: For depth, you mean in SubSection "Display" ?
04:58<schoinobates>Sorry then, I don't know more. Works for me. I suggest you try looking for instructions/information specific to your hardware, maybe it doesn't support 24 bits mode or the driver doesn't support it.
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04:59<schoinobates>"DefaultDepth 24" in section "Screen", not in a subsection.
04:59<schoinobates>plus you must have at least one subsection "display" that has "depth 24"
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04:59<nubbun>Anyone here have a Permedia2 based graphics card? or another from 3D Labs? If you run with PPC, you may be especially likely.
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05:01<azeem>nubbun: maybe #xorg on freenode is a better chan for this rather non-maintstream video hardware
05:02<nubbun>azeem. Thanks for the suggestion.
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05:22<sheldonh>please recommend an ssh multiplexer in debian main. something that where i can log into 10 hosts, and what i type goes to all 10 of them. seen one before, can't remember what it was called, can't google properly
05:23<sheldonh>sudo aptitude install clusterssh # thanks
05:23<jm_>dsh - dancer's shell, or distributed shell
05:24<sheldonh>hohoho... interesting
05:26<azeem>there was recently another one proposed for inclusion, but I don't know what became of that
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05:28<sheldonh>clusterssh looks perfect for a small number of hosts. when i need to do more, i'll look at dsh (both added to my ~/archive/thedump) thanks
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06:48<mav>how do i adjust the sensitivity of the mouse in debian?
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06:48<jm_>for X you can use xset, GNOME and KDE probably have their own way of adjusting it
06:48<mav>sorry debian=fluxbox
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06:50<mav>excuse my newbness, but how exactly would i do it with xset?
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06:51<noflash>mav, you could start with man xset ;)
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06:55<mav>read man xset, tried xset m to both integer and fraction but no change
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06:57<sheldonh>once i've reviewed .dpkg-dist files and i'm happy that i haven't missed anything important, is there any value to leaving the .dpkg-dist files lying around? for example, perhaps debian uses these to determine changes since last time, when a package is upgraded next?
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07:01<jm_>sheldonh: I don't think it's used for that
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08:00<omg0_>what port is USB considered for mouse configuration?
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08:01<E0x>for the X config ?
08:01<jm_>omg0_: it's the same regardles of hardware used to attach your mouse
08:02<jm_>no, /dev/input/mice
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08:55<Dingo>Good afternoon
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08:56<Dingo>I got a problem: where are the resolvconf-options for /etc/interfaces "dns-nameservers" and "dns-search" documented?
08:56<Dingo>dns-nameservers is quite self-explanatory, but a) what exactly does dns-search, and b) are there other dns-* options?
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08:59<blarson>Dingo: It's morning. try "man resolv.conf"
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09:00<Dingo>blarson: 15:00 GMT. It's not a resolv.conf-Problem, but a "resolvconf"-Problem; nameservers seem to go to /etc/interfaces since sarge, but the documentation really sucks.
09:01<gsimmons>Dingo: The recognized dns-* options appear to be documented in /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz.
09:02<gsimmons>Dingo: There's been a bug reported about this too. See #305884.
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09:05<Dingo>Hm... if I have a proposal to alter the resolvconf-manpages (so there seem to be a great number of questions about resolvconf in the net, but it seems to be quite simple), whom would I want to contact?
09:06<schoinobates>File a wishlist but against the package.
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09:09<Dingo>schoinobates: is resolvconf maintained by debian originally?
09:09[~]Dingo querying search engines
09:10<schoinobates>Oh, this you mean...
09:10<schoinobates>look at /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/copyright
09:11<Dingo>schoinobates : Hm, now I firstly have to find those files online... (Win2k-machine here in the institute)
09:11<schoinobates>It must contain the name of the upstream author (if it doesn't, it is a "serious" bug)
09:11<schoinobates>I see...
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09:12<schoinobates>Anyway, resolvonf is a Debian-native package, yes.
09:12<schoinobates>(there is a link to the copyright file from the page for a package)
09:12<Dingo>Thanks, that helps.
09:13<schoinobates>(if you go to, choose the newest version, there is a link "view the copyright file")
09:13<schoinobates>(works for all packages)
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09:13<schoinobates>(for the specific case of resolvconf, it is maintained by/for Debian originally, so the Debian BTS looks good to me)
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09:15<Dingo>schoinobates : thanks, this helps a lot... and I am happy to see it's not only me who omits the "v" in "resolvconf" often today... ;)
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09:20<Dingo>yes, there seeme to be no mention in /etc/network/interfaces, where the dns-* Options belong...
09:20<blarson>Dingo: resolvconf sets options in resolv.conf. look at the resolv.conf documentation on search.
09:22<Dingo>blarson : I know resolv.conf, and used it pre-sarge. But it is not really a solution to write a "classic" resolv.conf into /etc/resolvconv/...../tail or .../head
09:22<cameronm>is there a preferred "debian" way of saving/loading firewalls w/ iptables? (it doesn't seem like there is a place i can iptables-save to and then it gets automatically loaded or anything, right?)
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09:26<blarson>Obviously the dns-search option set search in resolv.conf .
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09:30<JackTheDipper>hi, i built a deb package for a program. what do i have to do now for inclusion in experimental or unstable?
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09:32<Dingo>blarson: In resolv.conf, There Can Be Only One (search); subsequent search-options replace their predecessors. I think that dns-search merge into one search-option in resolv.conf. But still, where are the documentations? resolv.conf search is not the same as network/interfaces dns-search; if it were, it were resolv.conf search.
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09:35<Dingo>What the... "Unfortunately, the ifupdown maintainer is not cooperative, so you are out of luck." nope. This then is a bug in interfaces when options therein are undocumented; at least a "see also: resolvconf" is necessary
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09:41<witte>JackTheDipper: only debian developpers can upload to unstable I believe?
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09:42<JackTheDipper>witte, hm and how can i reach them? is there an irc channel or a mailing list?
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09:43<phisan>Hi everyone
09:43<witte>!tell JackTheDipper about mentors
09:43<phisan>I'm using debian 4.0 and I want to connect to VPN network by using vpnc 0.3.0
09:43<JackTheDipper>thank you very much, witte
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09:44<phisan>But after I input all the required informations the program just didn't show wether it could connect or not
09:45<phisan>Any body has any suggestion?
09:46<lekram>somebody has used ntlmaps application?
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09:48<phisan>Hello, some body has any suggestion concerning the use of 'vpnc 0.3.3' on 'Debian 4.0'?
09:48<phisan>The client just didn't tell me wether it could connect to the network after I input all the required information..
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09:51<gsimmons>phisan: Try increasing the level of vpnc's verbosity (eg. --debug 2).
09:51<gsimmons>!tell lekram -about anyone
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09:52<phisan>thanks gsimmons
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09:54<phisan>I'll be back in a minute""
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10:05<phisan>hello any body help..
10:05<phisan>I'm having a problem with vpnc 0.3.3
10:05<phisan>I used 'vpnc --debug 2'
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10:07<phisan>After I key in every required information including my username and password it shows "vpnc version 0.3.3 S1 S2 S3 usinf interface tun0 S4 S4.1 S4.2 S4.3" line after line
10:07<phisan>What dose that mean?
10:09<phisan>After this I couldn't do anything with vpnc. It just dead. The cursor's still there but I could neither exit nor key in any command.
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10:12<Dingo>Made a bug report (INCLUDING two proposed solutions for altering the manpages and other bells and whistles) and LOST it to a wrong keystroke!!!
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10:12<phisan>Could anybody help me with vpnc?..
10:12<Dingo>'ll call it a day. Thanks for the help, see you soon.
10:13<phisan>I key in everything but the program still didn't conncet and didn't show any sign of connection or anything..
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10:14<miksuh>phisan: check firewall
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10:14<phisan>miksuh: How?
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10:17<phisan>miksuh: I think there was definitely something in there because when I tried to type wrong stuffs, it showed 'vpnc: unknown host' but when I typed in the right stuffs the program just didn't response..
10:18<phisan>miksuh: What do I have to do with the firewall and how?
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10:20<miksuh>phisan: welL i have not used vpnc, I'm not sure if you should have some ports open in the firewall
10:21<miksuh>that's client so probably not
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10:21<the-dude>depends on if you have a strict firewall or not
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10:24<miksuh>I have used just openvpn, not vpnc...
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10:57<frold>anyone knows anything about webmin on a debian box?
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11:00<witte>frold: is there anything special about webmin on debian? isn't it the same as on other linux pc's?
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11:00<JasonS>witte: other then its removed?
11:00<witte>JasonS: ah, ok. Was not aware of that. Didn't use is for a long time
11:00<dpkg>well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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11:05<ranix>oh yeah, I've seen webmin before
11:05<frold>@ JasonS its 2005 we now type 2007 soon 08
11:05<ranix>useless does not describe
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11:07<frold>So plesk or Confixx is better?
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11:08<ranix>better is a questionable term
11:08<ranix>and highly subjective
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11:09<JasonS>so you dont like the year in the url? whatever
11:09<ranix>you might want to go back to the root of the problem and re-examine your decision to use web-based administration by answering the question "Why do I want web-based administration"
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11:10<ranix>if the answer comes to you in a vague sense of feeling cool, lording over your server from the comfort of Firefox on your laptop, you have come to the wrong decision
11:10<ranix>If you have an answer you can put into words, instead, please share it
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11:37<exploit>is anybody here?
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11:38[~]Eulex points at the nick list ------->
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11:38<exploit>blyaaaa opyat tolpa pidarasov visit i mol4it v tryapo4ky
11:39<ranix>did dat pom muddafugga bix nood?
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11:40<Eulex>.kz. kazakhstan?
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11:40<dpkg>it has been said that kz is Kazakhstan
11:40[~]fxiny wow signal power array wakes up
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11:55<leandro>Someone know what package have the .desktop icons from desktop?
11:55<leandro>from gnome
11:56<leandro>Sorry, my english is poor...
11:56<Eulex>which .desktop file from gnome? the one used to inform gdm how to start it or which do you mean?
11:56<leandro>It's about "Trash", "System", etc...
11:57<leandro>I need put more icons by default on the gnome desktop
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11:57<leandro>do you know?
11:57<Eulex>shouldn't you just be able to right-click the desktop to get a menu where one or several choices let you create a new launcher on the desktop?
11:57<leandro>Did you understand me?
11:58<leandro>Yes, I know...but I need to do it in the package :(
11:58<dreamer>need help with dreamlinux 2.2 mmg
11:58<Eulex>'to do it in the package'?
11:58<Eulex>dreamer, dreamlinux isn't debian.
11:58<leandro>do it on in the package
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11:59<dreamer>It's not
11:59<dreamer>I thought it's a cross
11:59<Eulex>this channel only supports pure debian
11:59<Eulex>leandro, you want the package to install an icon on your desktop?
11:59<leandro>yes, kind of this
11:59<dreamer>so where can I go?
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11:59<Eulex>dreamer, dunno
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12:00<Eulex>dreamer, look for some dreamlinux channel on freenode, perhaps?
12:00<dreamer>hmm, ok I guess I will try the D.L forum
12:00<dreamer>freenode, it's a different server?
12:00<leandro>Do you know what gnome package do it?
12:00<Eulex>dreamer, yes
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12:01<dreamer>ok thanks
12:01<Eulex>leandro, well, that's not really possible, as a package can basically only install files with a exact path. and the desktop of every user is stored in a separate directory.
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12:01<Eulex>leandro, if you want to install it into the menu, the proper place to put the .desktop file would be /usr/share/applications
12:01<alex____>anyone here use getmail?
12:01<leandro>Eulex, but gnome have default icons on the desktop...
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12:01<leandro>I need to know where they are..
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12:02<Eulex>leandro, I think that they aren't stored as .desktop files, but are hardcoded into the application. but that's just a guess. ask in a gnome channel for a proper answer.
12:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
12:03<leandro>Eulex, OK. Thank you man.
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12:08<alex____>Hi, im needing to setup getmail or fetchmail to simply download an email account from a pop3 email server into a local account, can anyone please give me a heads up on how to go about this
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12:10<the-dude>alex_, man fetchmail
12:10<fxiny>fetchmail comes with docs+faq+examples
12:10<fxiny>and a gazilions google entries ...
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12:14<alex____>problem is, that all of the docs im reading arnt helping me heh
12:14<alex____>google, is loading with garbage
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12:19<fxiny>google entropy increase is already an issue in 2007 . we'll se armagoogleddon soon ...
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12:21<fxiny>hi drag :P
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12:21<dr4gon>what is xchat i am e new :P
12:22<dpkg>somebody said xchat was a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or ask me about irc for some more clients, or for win32 xchat :
12:22<dpkg>somebody said irssi was the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
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12:26<fxiny>alex____: i suggest you do a google on "fetchmail mutt mailfilter" . you'll be enlightened :)
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14:09<klys>what's a cool XML package
14:10<dpkg>it has been said that xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag
14:11<klys>I'm wondering if DOM can be pulled off in python or C
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14:12<dpkg>hmm... dom is dim, or the Document Object Model, a w3c standard API to manipulate structured documents
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14:13<klys>just saw: libgdome2-0 - DOM level2 library for accessing XML files
14:13<klys>though I'm sure it's not the cream of the cool
14:14<vander>how can I configure load balancing with multiple internet conection but dinamically assigned IP to its? where can I find a tutorial about this?
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14:15<klys>two seperate queries
14:15<klys>use red in the kernel and search for a DHCP server in apt-cache search
14:16<klys>red is a form of cbq, you'll need a fair probability setting guess
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14:17<klys>if I were in the business of finding a tutorial then it would make me a portal
14:17<klys>!google cbq howto
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14:17<vander>I know about cbq, but it can control inbound traffic (multiple internet conections) and make load balancing?
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14:18<klys>look over red and tell me what you think (make menuconfig)
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14:20<vander>klys: what do you mean with red?
14:20<klys>ok, looking into load-balancing now
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14:22<the-dude>pound can also do some loadbalancing
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14:23<klys>compare red and teql in the howto descriptions
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14:23<Azoff>I am trying to setup LUKS on a debian etch system
14:24<Azoff>I have loaded aes-i586 sha256, but I still get this error, why?
14:24<Azoff>Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping.
14:24<Azoff>Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/hdd1 contains at least 133 sectors.
14:24<Azoff>hdd1 is an empty 320G disk
14:25<klys>did you consult a mailing list
14:25<Azoff>but I did a search on google ;-)
14:26<klys>you have a lot of information
14:26<Azoff>however, I didn't find anything useful on the search
14:26<klys>!google "setup dm-crypt key"
14:27<Azoff>on another system I crypted last january, I have the same modules loaded, and there it works
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14:27<klys>~doesn't work
14:27<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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14:30<Azoff>klys: I am following this howto,
14:30<Azoff>(some steps form it atleast)
14:31<Azoff>however, I can't find anything about my error in that or on google
14:31<klys>!google "key mapping"
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14:32<klys>NOTE: if you get errors that the kernel may not use dm-crypt, try the command modprobe dm-crypt
14:33<Azoff>I have it
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14:33<Azoff>first thing I checked
14:33<Azoff>(after /proc/crypto) ;-)
14:34<klys>see `make menuconfig', cryptographic options
14:35<Azoff>I am using the generic debian kernel
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14:35<Azoff>so, I belive that it has everything needed =)
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14:35<klys>with generic cryptography no doubt
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14:36<Azoff># grep CONFIG_CRYPTO /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 | wc -l
14:36<Azoff>there are a lot of modules
14:36<Brudus>I'm trying to install some video drivers. After going through all the dependencies(sp?) i found that my problem lies with "common nvidia files" if I look in synaptic I see that I have that package installed.
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14:37<klys>HMAC, SHA1, ECB, PCBC, AES, Deflate, for starters
14:37<Azoff>klys: you shouldn't need to compile a kernel just to have some crypto
14:37<pumpkin0>Brudus: did you read the nvidia one-liner and follow it ?
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14:37[~]klys shouldn't need some crypto
14:37<Brudus>nvidia one-liner? what is that?
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14:38<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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14:38<kaos_nk>Hmm, I've just installed debian, just the basic installation from the netinst cd. Any reason I can't configure network, or is there some tool missing on the basic installation (just the very bare). For the record, I have installed the entire debian-xfce cd, the problem is the same.
14:38<j_5>help regarding getting 4.1sound in using via onboard sound
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14:39<pumpkin0>Brudus: you can try to install the basic one-size-fits-noone installer and brok your system. Or use the package system.
14:39<j_5>i think you got the same problem as i got kaos_nk
14:39<kaos_nk>I mean, I configure the network with ifconfig, but it still doesn't ping the gateway.
14:39<j_5>i have 2manually enter the gateway and ip address
14:39<kaos_nk>Not to mention that dns-servers, but it's logical it doesn't ping the dns-servers if it can't ping the gateway, or am I talking nonsense?
14:40<pumpkin0>kaos_nk: did you check /etc/networking/interfaces ?
14:40<kaos_nk>Yep, I've manually configured it.
14:40<pumpkin0>kaos_nk: can you copy these files onto a pastebin ? maybe via usb-stick ?
14:41<kaos_nk>Hmm, let me mount the system from here, sure.
14:41<j_5>lemme show you my shell command for that
14:41<klys>kaos_nk: route -n
14:41<kaos_nk>What does the -n flag do?
14:41<j_5> this
14:41<klys>no reverse lookups host
14:41<j_5>in shell
14:41<pumpkin0>kaos_nk: it saves you a lot of time if the DNS is down ...
14:42<j_5>type route add default gw <your ip address>
14:42<kaos_nk>Oh, default is already there.
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14:42<j_5>then type route add host <your ip address > dev eth0
14:42<kaos_nk>But sec, I'll get the /etc/networking/file
14:42<j_5>then i think it will work out fine..
14:42<kaos_nk>j_5: I already have that exact entry. :P
14:43<klys>it's /etc/network/interfaces
14:43<j_5>whats your route -n output?
14:43<kaos_nk>/etc/network/interfaces file*, sorry
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14:43<klys>may have to unplug your router if nothing can ping it
14:43<kaos_nk>It pings on other OSs.
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14:44<j_5>yea...i know that kaos_nk ... it works for others...but not here..
14:44<pumpkin0>kaos_nk: does mii-tool say the interface is up or down ?
14:44<Brudus>on the step "m-a auto-install nvidia" i got an error when building the nvidia kernel
14:45<pumpkin0>Brudus: did you install the stock kernel or did you modify it in any way ?
14:45<kaos_nk>Interface is up, it also shows when I type 'ifconfig'.
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14:45<Brudus>stock, i belive
14:45<klys>your cable is patch or crossover
14:45<klys>should be patch for a router
14:45<pumpkin0>kaos_nk: ifconfig can show up even if the link is down....
14:46<kaos_nk>Hmm, I'll boot into debian and collect all the information, brb.
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14:47<j_5> can i activate 4.1sound in my system?anyone help please
14:47<klys>also, make sure your lsmod net driver is correct for your lspci -vvv hardware (-howto)
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14:47<klys>j_5: read in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound
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14:48<j_5>ohh..ok thanks klys
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14:48<j_5>brb later..
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14:51<klys>tell me about some cool XML schtuff
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14:52<klys>I want to know what's cool in real time
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14:53<klys>...which reminds me
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15:02<kaos_nk>Hello again.
15:02<kaos_nk>Well, the mii-tool says, 'SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported'.
15:04<klys>kaos_nk, you'll have to grep the kernel source for your driver on this one
15:04<klys>also rad the docs for it
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15:08<kaos_nk>Driver is 3c59x, can I do lsmod | grep 3c59x?
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15:38<nictuku>hi. what is that tool to help building backported packages? dpkg-diff , apt-diff ...
15:39<dondelelcaro>nictuku: uscan?
15:39<dondelelcaro>apt-get source?
15:39<dondelelcaro>interdiff -z?
15:40<nictuku>nope. and sorry for the imprecise question. let me try to explain
15:41<nictuku>it was a tool to automatically install patches for packages from apt. so you make a small patch to a package and later you can easily upgrade it using apt and this tool
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15:44<gcc>is there anyway to resume a download in mozilla that got stopped by a disconnect ?
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15:45<nictuku>do you have the .part file?
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15:45<nictuku>then maybe try wget -c to it
15:45<ccg>ok thx
15:46<nictuku>like: cp file.part file-back ; wget -c -O file-back http://url/file
15:47<ccg>replace .part with -back in the filename ?
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15:49<Sake>is somebody here?
15:49<blarson>Sake: no
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15:51<Sake>well, anyway I have a question, I think it's stupid. But I've installed debian with the bin-1 cd now I wanna install the other cd's with pakages
15:51<Sake>so I did the"apt-cdrom add" and stuff
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15:52<Sake>but if I put my cd in the drive(mount it) and I start Update manager it doesn't shows anyupdates
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15:53<Sake>so I'm wondering how I can install the other packages from the cd in one time
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15:53<Sake>I don't wanna select every package but I just wanna install the whole cd...
15:54<Sake>could anyone help me?...
15:54<bloom>Sake: we don't have a way to do that, because we expect that our repository contains tens of thousands of packages, some of which conflict with each other.
15:54<bloom>Now we understand that the CD is smaller
15:54<bloom>and may not include any conflicts
15:55<bloom>but we still believe that you should install those packages that are useful, and not install the packages that aren't
15:55<bloom>(useful FOR YOU)
15:55<bloom>so there's no good way to do it
15:55<Sake>so I've to check everthin I want to isntall in Synaptic to install it
15:56<bloom>but if you look at tasksel, then you may find groups of packages that are useful to install
15:56<Sake>or just apt-get it all
15:56<bloom>Sake: that appears to be the upshot, assuming nothing on the CD conflicts
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15:56<Sake>ah ok thanks ^^
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15:57<sheldonh>Sake: i think you'll be disappointed with the results of installing _everything_ that comes on the first cd
15:57<Sake>oh and 1 last question where can I find tasksel?
15:57<bloom>Sake: I think it should be installed already
15:58<blarson>Sake: /usr/bin
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15:58<Sake>k tnx ^^
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15:59<Sake>found it :P
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16:03<sheldonh>Sake: keep in mind that debian tends to bootstrap services it installs. so you'll end up with a _very_ slow starting box :)
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16:06<Sake>so I should only install packages I only need ^^
16:06<Sake>I really need*
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16:07<Ouroboros>well, there is a base install that has most things that most people will need
16:07<Ouroboros>you should add/remove from that if you need to
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16:08<Sake>you mean what you can select with tasksel?
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16:09<Ouroboros>i am just talking about the release CD, i dont know about tasksel...
16:10<Sake>do you mean the binarys?
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16:12<Ouroboros>ah, forget it, i dont know whats going on
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16:21<UK-Toker>why does my motd keep reverting back to default after editing /var/run/motd ?
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16:21<mseng>UK-Toker: you need to edit the motd from /etc
16:22<UK-Toker>ok, thanks..
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16:24<UK-Toker>i thougt the one in /etc was a symlink ...
16:24<mseng>you are right. i just see that
16:25<mseng>taken from the debian reference: "The /etc/default/rcSfile can be used to customize boot-time defaults for motd ..."
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16:26<UK-Toker>oks. thanks ill check that out.. i did manage to do it before, but cant remeber what one i edited.
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16:27<mseng>i never change the default MOTD and ISSUE files, so i am not sure
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16:30<feanor>after installation KDE on Debian 4.0 where was GNOME, IDE CD-drive is no longer mounting, how i can repare it?
16:30<UK-Toker>oks. no problem mseng, but thanks for your help.
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16:37<alex____>anyone use mailgraph?
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16:49[~]seanius did, some time ago
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16:51<alex____>having some trouble with it creating the png files
16:51<alex____>it makes the rrd files no problem, but doesnt seem to like to make the png files
16:52<seanius>alex____: etch?
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16:59<zith>is this where i should ask my questions about making a debian package out of a peice of software?
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17:00<dondelelcaro>zith: you could, but #debian-mentors would also be a good place to ask.
17:01<zith>i might as well start here then
17:02<zith>i'm trying to make a debian out of libtorrent (the rasterbar libtorrent, not rtorrent libtorrent) and after adding all dependencies i thought was necessary to the debian/rules file, i get loads of errors like these when i run fakeroot debian/rules build:
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17:02<zith>posix_tss_ptr.hpp:45: undefined reference to `pthread_key_create'
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17:03<azeem>what is .hpp?
17:03<zith>i thought adding libpthread-dev to the dependencylist in debian/rules would take care of it, but it didnt make any difference
17:03<zith>a c++ header file
17:03<azeem>hrm, I see
17:03<azeem>zith: did you try adding -lpthread to the linker command line?
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17:04<azeem>not that it should make much difference either
17:04<azeem>hrm, or is this trying to compile headers?
17:04<zith>well, it works fine when i just do a make without the fakeroot
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17:05<zith>ahem.. i meant adding dependencies to debian/control of course, sorry
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17:08<azeem>zith: what arch is this, anyway
17:09<azeem>because there is no libpthread-dev package
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17:09<zith>azeem: x86
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17:09<zith>azeem: i see, that might be why it made no difference ;)
17:10<zith>i wonder where the functions are then
17:10<azeem>zith: no that might be that you've added it to the wrong list
17:10<Zomb>-lpthread must be enough
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17:10<azeem>Build depends are supposed to be in Build-Depends:, not Depends:
17:10<azeem>and what Zomb said
17:10<Zomb>if not then maybe something messed up with custom declarations
17:10<zith>alright.. thats strange then
17:11<zith>i'm a real beginner at packaging in debian (or anywhere)
17:11<azeem>zith: how do you invoke make with fakeroot anyway from debian/rules?
17:11<Zomb>you maybe need -pthread in the g++ call as well
17:11<zith>i just figured fakeroot might exclude outside libraries that were not in the dependency list
17:12<azeem>it's usually not needed to build with fakeroot, but AFAIK it shouldn't hurt too much either
17:12<zith>i do this: "fakeroot debian/rules build"
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17:13<azeem>zith: what happens if you do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc"?
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17:14<azeem>well, fix that first
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17:14<zith>hmm, thats strange though
17:14<zith>thats my control file
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17:15<zith>so it does have a Package line, unless i'm missing something
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17:15<azeem>is that a blank line before Standards-Version?
17:15<UK-Toker>worked out me motd problem, but cheated. deleted the symlink /etc/motd and just created a text file /etc/motd
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17:16<zith>ah yeah.. thanks
17:16<azeem>that'd be it
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17:28<zith>seems like that wasnt the problem :/
17:28<zith>i still get the errors
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17:29<ikks>Hi, I want to download a daily image or the latest installer image, but I find only from may28
17:29<ikks>Where can I find the images?
17:29<ikks>I went to
17:29<ikks>But no luck.
17:29<zith> <-- all the errors
17:29<azeem>zith: "the errors" means "I don't want to talk about it"
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17:31<zith>as I said, it works fine if i just do a normal "make", so unless the make in debian/rules is diffrent, the -phtreads should be in there
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17:32<azeem>post the full output of "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc"
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17:33<zith>really? It's a pretty big build..
17:33<azeem>then post debian/rules
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17:34<zith>this is the one i'm trying now
17:35<zith>i just changed from -lphtread to -pthread, so i'm hopeful thats it
17:37<azeem>the paste of the errors doesn't indicate -lpthread
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17:38<zith>hmm, you're right..
17:39<zith>besides, that should be a linkflag and not a cflag right? Or isnt there a difference?
17:39<azeem>the error you get is during linking, not compiled
17:39<azeem>you can try to add it to LDFLAGS, but this should probably be fixed in the upstream Makefile
17:40<azeem>but as a test adding to LDFLAGS is alright (if the Makefile honors it)
17:40<zith>the makefile from libtorrent does have -pthread though
17:40<azeem>ah, it's an automake project, then it should work
17:41<azeem>zith: where?
17:41<zith>CFLAGS = -Wall -g -pthread -O2
17:41<zith>again, cflags, i guess
17:42<azeem>and this is from your debian/rules or where?
17:42<zith>no, this is from the libtorrent Makefile
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17:42<azeem>well, it's inherited from your debian/rules then
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17:44<zith>is it not strange that I get these errors only when trying to build a package and not when i do anormal make though?
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17:44<exmortis>help please
17:45<exmortis>how do i enable font spacing and smoothing in kde?
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17:45<seanius>dpkg: tell exmortis about kde
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17:46<zith>azeem: wow.. it worked when i added -pthread to CFLAGS in debian/rules
17:46<azeem>you already had that
17:46<azeem>do you mean LDFLAGS?
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17:47<zith>no, i changed the one in debian/rules from -lpthread to -pthread for the last try
17:47<azeem>what is "the one"?
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17:48<zith>i changed -lphtread to -lthread on the CFLAGS line of debian/rules this last try
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17:51<zith>argh.. i just cant seem to type today :)
17:51<azeem>anyway, pthread stuff has no business in debian/rules
17:52<zith>hmm, ok
17:53<azeem>so remove that from debian/rules and closely inspect the configure output and what's in config.log and config.h (if any)
17:54<azeem>also, try to remove LDFLAGS from debian/rules and see whether that makes a difference
17:54<azeem>but only make one change at a time
17:54<zith>should i still do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc?
17:54<zith>if building from scratch every time isnt necessary, i'd like to avoid it
17:55<azeem>how long does it take to configure/buildÃd?
17:55<zith>since it takes ~10 minutes to reach the point where it links those files
17:55<azeem>10 minutes is fine
17:56<zith>better safe than sorry i suppose
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17:56<azeem>if you change things in CFLAGS/LDFLAGS you need to re-create the Makefiles to let them take any effect
17:57<eliteforce>hey, i'm running mysql 5.0 on etch in a chroot. the init script starts like 12 mysql processes, how can i limit that?
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17:59<eliteforce>i'm guessing it's the thread_concurrency option, but why are there 10 processes and not threads *g*
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17:59<azeem>eliteforce: what kernel version?
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18:00<eliteforce>azeem: 2.6.9
18:00<azeem>eliteforce: any reason you use that ancient kernel?
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18:00<eliteforce>azeem: yes, its a virtual host :P
18:01<azeem>and the guest is Debian?
18:01<azeem>or the host?
18:01<eliteforce>azeem: i'm in the guest, its debian. no idea bout the host
18:01<eliteforce>btw, that thread option didnt change anything
18:02<azeem>I think either LinuxThreads (I think it's that one) or NPTL make threads appear like processes to user space
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18:04<eliteforce>azeem: strange thing is, that outside i'm running mysql-server 4 and it starts just one mysqld
18:04<eliteforce>outside the chroot
18:04<azeem>oh, so you control the host as well?
18:04<azeem>what's it running?
18:04<azeem>and maybe mysql4 had a different threading strategy than mysql5
18:04<eliteforce>azeem: no, i just control the guest.
18:05<azeem>but really, I don't know much about mysql
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18:09<eliteforce>btw is it possible to measure the amount of ram i'm using in the guest os?
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18:13<eliteforce>azeem: i think you're right. its just threads
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18:16<eliteforce>azeem: and i hope they're sharing mem :D
18:16<azeem>threads share mem by definition
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18:17<azeem>AFAIK, at least
18:17<eliteforce>azeem: heheh i was just kidding
18:18<biro>what can i do to use my network connection in a chroot system?
18:18<eliteforce>azeem: ps and top are very unreliable imo :)
18:18<eliteforce>biro: copy /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot
18:19<azeem>they are for memory assesments, at least if you don't know how to interpret the numbers
18:19<azeem>which I don't
18:19<biro>thks eliteforce
18:19<eliteforce>azeem: well, the prob is that every "thread" shows the same mem usage as the main process
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18:21<zith>so i removed -pthread from debian/rules, and i (obviously) got the same errors again
18:21<zith>the configure output looks fine to me..
18:22<zith>the pthread config stuff starts at line 207
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18:22<azeem>zith: also paste src/Makefile
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18:24<dbldtx_> Thank you all for my new Debian system, complete with 4day uptime!
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18:25<azeem>zith: try to change it to "PTHREAD_LIBS = -lpthread" and see whether that works
18:25<azeem>zith: just running "debian/rules build" should be enough
18:26<azeem>zith: also, paste the command-line it runs when compiling and the linking line which fails
18:26<zith>are you sure i should use -lpthread and not -pthread?
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18:27<azeem>zith: shouldn't matter really, try both
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18:28<ted_> i wrote a script that will install packages on my workstation after the base install but when installing programs using ask questions like: do you wish to continue [Y|N] or enter workgroup
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18:30<zith>no go..
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18:31<azeem>zith: and with -lpthread?
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18:32<zith>or well, same errors
18:32<zith>i'll give you the output
18:32<kingsley>Is there a command line tool which displays a series of files, and then asks if you'd like to move each?
18:33<azeem>move where?
18:33<kingsley>azeem: To another directory.
18:33<azeem>you mean something like "mv * foo/"?
18:33<azeem>except it should ask for each file?
18:34<kingsley>azeem: Yes, show the file and then ask if you want to move it.
18:34<azeem>I don't think there is
18:34<azeem>you could right a small shellscript for that, though I guess
18:34<azeem>zith: that's still -pthread
18:35<zith>there is no -lpthread in that output, so i suppose its not used.. at least not in this stage of the build
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18:35<zith>this is still in the makefile: PTHREAD_CFLAGS = -pthread
18:35<azeem>uh, sorry
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18:36<azeem>zith: that's stupid
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18:37<azeem>zith: anyway, add -lpthread to the end of libtorrent_la_LIBADD rather
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18:37<azeem>I didn't noticed it doesn't get propagated there
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18:38<zith>azeem: that did it
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18:42<zith>so, should this be fixed in the libtorrent makefiles, or are things like these something to be expected when making packages?
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18:42<azeem>zith: what does "i486-linux-gnu-g++ --version" say?
18:43<zith>version 4.1.2
18:43<azeem>pastebin the output of "i486-linux-gnu-g++ -dumpspecs"
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18:46<eliteforce>azeem: btw, thanks. later!
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18:50<azeem>zith: I think the problem is the -nostdlib in the link line, it makes the -pthread get ignored AFAICT
18:50<azeem>I wonder where that is from
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18:51<Guest2033>does anyone know how to identify the process id for an ssh connection which doesn't show in the process list
18:52<azeem>Guest2033: did you try ps aux?
18:52<Guest2033>yes.. but there's a connection to that tcpdump shows but i cannot trakc down
18:53<Guest2033>its like the entire system is being copied via ssh or something
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18:53<azeem>maybe you should take down your box first
18:53<Guest2033>i can't.. it's remote
18:53<zith>azeem: these are all entries of nostdlib i can find in the root directory:
18:53<zith>and i didnt find any in src/
18:53<azeem>remove them from libtool
18:54<azeem>and rerun debian/rules build
18:54<azeem>zith: but remove the -lpthread again
18:55<Guest2033>first i need to kill that connection.. i've already added it to the drop list on the firewallis there anything i can do to kill this ssh process? :/
18:55<zith>i've got to make clean i suppose
18:55<azeem>zith: no
18:55<azeem>zith: eh
18:55<zith>zith@tempdata:~/dev/libtorrent-0.12$ debian/rules build
18:55<zith>make: Nothing to be done for `build'.
18:55<azeem>and .libs/libtorrent.*
18:55<azeem>(in src)
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18:56<zith>i still get nothing to be done for `build'.
18:57<Guest2033>this is incredibly frustrating :(
18:57<Guest2033>just a continuous stream of 09:57:18.000583 IP > S 714474286:714474286(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 1616227807 0,nop,wscale 2>
18:57<Guest2033>09:57:18.000590 IP > S 701829656:701829656(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 1616227807 0,nop,wscale 2>
18:57<azeem>zith: rm build-stamp
18:58<azeem>zith: or whatever is getting touched at the end of debian/rules' build/build-stamp rule
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19:00<zith>yeah.. :/
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19:02<zith>i never got to trying to remove the LDFLAGS in debian/rules.. should i still try it instead of removing -nostdlib?
19:02<azeem>yes, please
19:03<azeem>you'd need to restart the build then, though
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19:03<azeem>and add back -nostdlib
19:04<zith>sorry for forgetting to test that
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19:05<azeem>I really hope this isn't the culprit :)
19:05<zith>same errors as before
19:05<azeem>I wonder why nobody noticed that earlier then
19:06<zith>i mean.. it works fine in a normal make
19:06<zith>as i said
19:06<azeem>what do you mean "normal make"Ã"?
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19:06<azeem>your debian/rules just runs make as well
19:06<zith>like.. if i just do "./configure, make"
19:06<azeem>(that's why I wanted the full build output earlier)
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19:07<zith> <- thats the full build output
19:07<azeem>zith: did it rerun configure the last time you tried?
19:07<azeem>zith: that one still had LDFLAGS="foo" in it
19:08<zith>true, do you want a new "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc"?
19:08<azeem>zith: check the src/Makefile for PTHREAD_LIBS as soon as configure is over
19:09<azeem>if there is -lpthread in there now, you're done
19:09<zith>nope, its still empty
19:10<azeem>did it run configure now?
19:10<zith>yes, i ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
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19:10<zith>its also not in libtorrent_la_LIBADD
19:11<azeem>try to remove/comment out CFLAGS as well, and if that does not work, try to remove that --build= and --host= in debian/rules' configure target
19:11<azeem>that should be all the difference to ./configure && make
19:11<azeem>make sure it re-runs configure
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19:12<zith>ok.. i'll just cancel the build then?
19:13<azeem>I guess it won't do good, yeah
19:13<Guest2033>seems it's totally impossible to sever the invisile ssh connection and b
19:14<Guest2033>and blocking it is impossible because it doesn't affect existing connections
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19:15<tcsetattr>go get chkrootkit
19:15<zith>removing CFLAGS didnt help..
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19:15<Guest2033>chkrootkit doesn't find anything.. though the pscan2 process it uses hangs using up cpu.
19:17<azeem>zith: oh, and you could try to just run ./configure and see what the Makefile is like after that
19:17<zith>azeem: and neither did removing removing --build and --host
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19:18<jeremyb>where's a good channel for server admin issues?
19:18<jeremyb>( server)
19:18<azeem>which one?
19:18<azeem>what's the issue?
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19:19<zith>azeem: a clean ./configure doesnt have -lpthread or -pthread in PTHREAD_LIBS or libtorrent_la_LIBADD either
19:19<jeremyb>looks like the clock is ~6 mins off
19:19<azeem>jeremyb: eh, how is that an "issue"?
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19:19<azeem>zith: hrm, then run make and see what the compile line is and whether it works
19:19<jeremyb>it sends mail with bad timestamps? i didn't say it was serious but it is an issue
19:20<azeem>zith: if it works, retry dpkg-buildpackage
19:20<peterS>azeem: well, presumably it's not intentional, someone might want to know about it
19:20<tcsetattr>it must be relying on ntpd :)
19:20<azeem>jeremyb: how do you know the clock is off?
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19:20<azeem>jeremyb: and that it's not just greylisting you or so
19:20<jeremyb>i'm not talking about lag in response
19:20<zith>azeem: alright, thanks
19:21<jeremyb>i'm talking about sending a message back to me that has a Date: header in the future
19:21<jeremyb>no way that could be correct
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19:21<azeem>jeremyb: you can register a ticket at
19:21<peterS>jeremyb: don't believe "Date:", it is generated on the client side. maybe believe "Received:" headers
19:21<azeem>... if you're *sure* it's wrong, anyway
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19:22<jeremyb>peterS: it's *not* generated client side and i checked received as well
19:23<jeremyb>but a side issue is the lagging. is it intentional?
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19:23<peterS> mail is subjected to a lot of anti-spam processing, as a quite recent development
19:23<jeremyb>also, can i subscribe to a batch such that i only have to send a single confirmation reply?
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19:24<jeremyb>maybe it is greylisting then. (have a feeling my mail might be raising eyebrows)
19:25[~]jeremyb wonders why there is no web UI for modding. do people actually like having to switch between email and browser? (or get it all with the mail gateway?)
19:27<tark>hey is anybody familiar with using the gimp ?
19:27<jeremyb>that's a general question
19:27<peterS>that's a pretty vague question, tark. please be more specific. you obviously want to know something specific about the gimp
19:27<jeremyb>and you know, they have a channel as well? (
19:27<peterS>tark: but really the better place to ask would be #gimp on gimpnet (
19:28[~]jeremyb wonders if the address he specified exists :P
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19:28<tark>peterS right here goes : a colleague handed me a .psd file with layer groups. i can see the layers but not the groups with the gimp. is there a way to make the groups appear ?
19:29<peterS>does the gimp even have a concept of layer groups? I hadn't noticed that it did
19:29<peterS>anyway - #gimp on would know much more than I do
19:29<tark>i guess that answers my question
19:29<tark>thx peterS
19:29<peterS>it doesn't really answer it, there are lots of things about the gimp I do not know
19:29<jeremyb>are there any tools for manipulating the BTS beyond the submit tool?
19:30<chealer>jeremyb: yes
19:30<azeem>chealer knows all about it
19:30<tark>peterS the irc chan should indeed be of some help
19:30[~]jeremyb thinks that means he wrote it
19:30<chealer>bts is the only one I'm thinking about, actually
19:30<peterS>jeremyb: there is reportbug-ng, and also the 'bts' command-line tool from the 'devscripts' package
19:31[~]jeremyb wonders if there's anything that will handle confirming that you wanted to do what you said
19:31<peterS>jeremyb: don't let the name fool you, reportbug-ng aims to be more than just a reporting tool. I haven't tried it recently, don't know how functional it all is
19:31<peterS>(but it _is_ a gui tool)
19:31<jeremyb>oh, i did let it fool me
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19:34<chealer>peterS: the only manipulation feature I see in rng is closing.
19:34<peterS>chealer: hmmm. well, it's not like I've tried it. I guess it can query and report, but then the original reportbug can query as well. I thought it was going to evolve toward doing other manipulation too
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19:35<chealer>peterS: probably...if someone keeps having time to develop it :S
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19:42[~]jeremyb wonders what's up with the debian people db
19:42[~]jeremyb isn't getting any results
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19:44<jeremyb>is it safe to expect the majority of pkg maintainers to be in the db?
19:45<jeremyb>(i did finally get a result but not for the person i want)
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19:46<Whoppix27>i need some help,
19:46<Whoppix27>i need a startup script
19:46<Whoppix27>for a Whoppix - knoppix-based - debian-based
19:47<Whoppix27>iptables -t nat -F ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
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19:47<Whoppix27>i need to put this
19:47<Whoppix27>in it
19:47<Whoppix27>i dont have a rc.local
19:47<Whoppix27>could u please help me?
19:47<chealer>!tell Whoppix27 about enter
19:47<chealer>!tell Whoppix27 about knoppix
19:48<Guest2033>ok.. found the rootkit and whacked it.. mostly.. a problem remains.. i have a directory with invisible files
19:48<jeremyb>!tell jeremyb about enter
19:48<Guest2033>ls can't see it but lsattrib can.. none of the files have ANY attributes.. very weird
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19:49<chealer>!tell jeremyb about selftell
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19:50<ann^^>sshd seems to hang up after prolonged inactivity. is there a way to disable this behavior, either system-wide or (preferably) by-user?
19:50[~]jeremyb stabs chealer
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19:51<jeremyb>i doubt that "hang"ing is ever a feature
19:52<chealer>jeremyb: I'm in Canada, I can be treated for free. you can stab me as much as you want.
19:52<Whoppix27>anyone willing to help me?
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19:52<chealer>Whoppix27: Whoppix support is offtopic here.
19:52<Whoppix27>this is not Whoppix support!
19:53<Whoppix27>this is debian
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19:53<Whoppix27>with some updates
19:53<Whoppix27>thats all
19:53<chealer>Whoppix27: what is it? I thought you were using Whoppix?
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19:54<Whoppix27>i am! but whoppix actually is knoppix (which is debian-based)
19:54<Whoppix27>with a few new packets
19:54<Whoppix27>i just need to know how to make
19:54<ann^^>and it's not supported here.
19:54<Whoppix27>3 commands to be executed at startup
19:55<chealer>Whoppix27: this channel is for support with Debian systems. if you're not using Debian, don't ask for support here.
19:55<Whoppix27>elsethrough the rc.local
19:55<Whoppix27>I am using debian..
19:55<Whoppix27>would u help now?
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19:55<Whoppix27>probably u dont understand what am I talkin about!
19:56<Whoppix27>doesnt debian have startup script!?
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19:56<ann^^>actually i understand exactly what you're talking about. check out /etc/init.d. now go away.
19:57<ameyer>or at least cut back on the use of enter
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19:57<maxx_>hello , good nite
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20:01<maxx_>i need help with linux trisquel
20:01<chealer>!tell maxx_ about based on debian
20:03<maxx_>i don't know that kernel is trisquel :(
20:04<maxx_>tell me please , and get out here
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20:04<Wilson77>you can find the kernel version with cat /proc/version
20:05[~]ameyer wonders how up-to-date Lenny is
20:06<ameyer>like, if Firefox 3 came out tomorrow, how long before testing would get it?
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20:06<Wilson77>debian dont distribute firefox ?
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20:06<zith>azeem: both the normal build and the dpkg build went fine this time
20:06<lupine>there's a 10-day staging area at some point
20:06<zith>azeem: and now i have no idea what the issue was!
20:06<lupine>either from sid->unstable or unstable->testing ?or both?
20:07<ameyer>Wilson77: Yes they do, they just call it Iceweasel ;)
20:07<ameyer>sid is unstable I thought
20:07<lupine>erm. s/sid/experimental/
20:07<maxx_>chealer, trisquel is a DEBIAN release
20:07<Wilson77>yeah i know i shouldnt have ended that with a question mark
20:07<jeremyb>chealer: haha, i bet it's a lot cheaper to treat my stabs though. btw, i did see sicko :P
20:07<chealer>maxx_: no, it's just yet another distribution based on Debian.
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20:08<maxx_>ok, then stay here?
20:08[~]jeremyb waves to ameyer
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20:09<chealer>maxx_: this channel is for support with Debian only
20:09<jeremyb>(you're the same guy, right?)
20:09<ameyer>jeremyb: I believe so
20:09<maxx_>ok, sorry
20:10<maxx_>where get support for trisquel?
20:10<jeremyb>look for info on their website?
20:11<chealer>maxx_: probably on a #trisquel, if it exists
20:11<maxx_>good luck
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20:22<zith>i have another question.. is there a way for me to make sure that this libtorrent wont collide with the libtorrent that is currently in the debian repositories? They are two entirely separate libraries by two diffrent authors.
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20:29<dondelelcaro>zith: eh? who is distributing a libtorrent that is not ?
20:31<zith>what? :)
20:32<dondelelcaro>it'd probably be best to get the author of that library to pick a different name and/or possibly consider working with the other libtorrent authors to create a c++ wrapper around the other libtorrent.
20:32<zith>as far as i know, it was started before the rakshasa one, and many more clients use it
20:34<dondelelcaro>zith: could be; it's definetly possible to install it without conflicting, but it'd have to have separate include files and a distinct soname
20:34<zith>i'm not so sure its the rasterbar project that is the one that should change
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20:35<zith>in other distributions, they have added it as rb_libtorrent
20:35<dondelelcaro>well, considering that rtorrent is actually in Debian
20:35<zith>i'm not sure how they have done the actualy implementation though
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20:35<dondelelcaro>well, it'd have to have a distinct soname, and can't conflict file-wise with the other libtorrent... but beyond that it's pretty flexible. [But picking the same solution would be best.]
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20:36<zith>what do you mean picking the same solution?
20:36<dondelelcaro>zith: the same soname and library/include file placement as other distributions
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20:37<dondelelcaro>zith: no point in picking an uncompatible additional method.
20:37<dondelelcaro>what's amusing is that they're both written in c++, actually
20:37<zith>do you mean that people should just use the rakshasa one?
20:38<dondelelcaro>I've no clue, actually; it's possible that there are valid technical reasons for using the rasterbar library over the rakshasa one
20:38<ameyer>can one be a drop-in replacement for the other?
20:38<dondelelcaro>probably not, but I don't really know
20:38<zith>i doubt it
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20:39<zith>i'm not sure what the rakshasa one supports, but the rasterbar one has a lot of nice features and is getting new cool features with every release
20:39<zith>plus, it actually has documentation
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20:44<zith>dondelelcaro: hmm interesting
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20:46<zith>dondelelcaro: and also a little confusing :)
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20:47<zith>so it seems the rasterbar libtorrent is already in there
20:47<zith>thats awesome
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20:52<zith>no, never mind :P
20:52<zith>but at least the rakshasa one is called libtorrent9
20:53<dondelelcaro>zith: #402462 is what you're probably looking for
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20:54<zith>dondelelcaro: thanks
20:55<zith>doesnt seem like the rasterbar one made it into the repositories
20:55<zith>or the namechange of the rakshasa one
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20:56<dondelelcaro>nope, but that's where it's at and what the status is
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21:00<ann^^>sshd seems to disconnect after prolonged inactivity. is there a way to disable this behavior, either system-wide or (preferably) by-user?
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21:01<gonzaga>anybody know any program of UML?
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21:01<gonzaga>for me to do download
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21:06<zith>i tried installing the libtorrent debian package they linked to from those mails and it failed because of some dependencides
21:07<zith>now i tried to install my version again and it says i'm trying to overwrite the version that never got installed!
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21:14<dondelelcaro>zith: what about it?
21:15<dondelelcaro>zith: libtorrent-rasterbar0 is installed, but libtorrent isn't.
21:15<dondelelcaro>zith: and it should be libtorrent0 or whatever the ABI version is
21:16<dondelelcaro>(library packages without the soname are not good)
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21:18<zith>dondelelcaro: sorry.. i must be tired :)
21:18<dondelelcaro>zith: no worries; happens.
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21:32<xiph3r>anyone alive?
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21:37<oddtod>hey guys this is more of a general question then a linux/debian question does any one know if i make a VM machine on a linux system that shares a drive with a windows system if the two can run the same vm save?
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22:00<bighornram>i have chrony running but it doesn't seem to change the time. how do i get it to set the time on my machine? the machine is online 24/7
22:02<gsimmons>!set the time
22:02<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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22:03<tonyb>I have a libray that is only built 32bit (on a 64bit machine). Can someone point me at docs on how to massage the rules (and other package) data to generate a biarch library ?
22:04<bighornram>gsimmons: I have the correct time set with date command, but my hwclock is still wrong.
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22:13<Wilson77>you can sync your clock by using ntpdate
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22:14<Wilson77>bighornham: you must have chosen to use UTC time
22:14<DeepDayze>i see that when I boot to windows
22:14<DeepDayze>and my windows time is wrong
22:14<dondelelcaro>your hardware clock should be set to UTC; it's window's that's on crack.
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22:15<DeepDayze>for an all linux system that's right
22:15<dondelelcaro>but if you must use windows, the right way is to use the localtime and set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS
22:15<DeepDayze>to accommodate windows you need to tell linux that your hwclock is local time
22:15<DeepDayze>rather than utc time
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22:15<DeepDayze>windows only understands local time
22:16<dondelelcaro>windows just doesn't understand time, period.
22:16<DeepDayze>ah, yes
22:16<DeepDayze>it'll take whatever time you set it...blindly
22:16<dondelelcaro>but it's an afflication that's all too common with single-user devices
22:17<DeepDayze>that's how linux can accommodate windows
22:17<DeepDayze>by setting hwclock to local time rather than utc
22:18<DeepDayze>MS is dumb in that regard
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22:20<H>anyone knows the character code for the F1...F6 pages at start of the debian CDs ?
22:20<dondelelcaro>H: character code?
22:21<H>its not utf-8
22:21<dondelelcaro>oh, the encoding you mean; it's whatever syslinux uses iirc.
22:21<H>yes the encoding
22:21<H>what does syslinux uses?
22:24<H>no te entiendo dondeelcaro
22:25<H>estoy traduciendolos
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22:27<Drakode>quien sabe como dejar la consola aterm sin bordeS?
22:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:42<H>dondeelcaro: i can see the way to encode the text there. it talks about LSS16 but its for images not for the F1 ...F6 screens
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22:44<dondelelcaro>H: it explains the format, but I'm not sure what if any character code support beyond US ASCII it has
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22:50<H>ill ask at thanks
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23:26<b_z>hey guys, im havin problems with "tv_grab_na_dd "
23:26<b_z>obtains xmltv shedule
23:27<b_z>anybody uses it ?
23:28<sangeetha>could anybody tell me how to mount partition in debian-kde
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23:29<b_z>yea sure; i assum you know to use the cli
23:30<b_z>mount -t [type] [/dev/hda] [/mnt/hda]
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23:30<b_z>sub where is needed
23:30<b_z> /mnt/hda is directory to mount at
23:31<b_z>u got any of this ?
23:33<b_z>easier, kcontrol -> System Administration -> Disk ( or something)
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23:37<icon0x>whats a program that would record stream
23:41<gsimmons>icon0x: Depending on the type of stream you're after, possibly 'streamripper'.
23:41<icon0x>ahh ok, ill take a look
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23:42<munki>is anyone else's amarok broken?
23:42<munki>mine broke yesterday after a dist-upgrade
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