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00:31<sortadi>is there any Free Software tool for doing binary-decimal-hex convertions?
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00:31<tcsetattr>you mean like a calculator?
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00:32<jm_>bc can do that, dc too probably, or calc or ...
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00:35<gustavo_>can anyone help me with amavis + spamassassin?
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00:51<Brudus>how am i supposted to find a package if it didn't add itself to the menu. I remeber reading somewhere how to refresh the menu but i forgot the line
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00:53<tcsetattr>there's update-menus but some things just aren't menued. use dpkg -L packagname to see the list of files
00:53<mseng>Brudus: i dont know that either. but you can ALT+F2 to get the "run program" dialog, and there you can type the command
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01:16<gustavo__>can someone help me with amavis + spamassassin integration?
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01:17<Pauli>How difficult is it to install a distro to an USB drive
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01:18<ifvoid>Pauli: should be no problem at all
01:18<ifvoid>Pauli: iirc, the installer will just recognise the usb stick as a harddrive
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01:18<Pauli>oh alright thanks
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01:23<gustavo_>does anybody knows where i can get help with amavis?
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01:24<xeno1300>I cant get debain to conntect to the net anymore
01:25<xeno1300>and I cant spell either aparently
01:26<xeno1300>I let my debian box set for a few days after upgrading recently and now it wont auto assign an IP
01:27<xeno1300>my windows box works (the one Im on currently) so there isnt router problems anyone have any ideas how to fix this ?
01:27<ifvoid>xeno1300: weird
01:27<ifvoid>xeno1300: have you tried ifdown -a; ifup -a?
01:27<ifvoid>gustavo_: what is the problem exactly?
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01:28<xeno1300>ifvoid yes but nothing happend
01:28<xeno1300>i even tried a manual assign of an IP and nothing
01:28<ifvoid>nothing happened?
01:28<ifvoid>no errors?
01:28<ifvoid>no output?
01:29<xeno1300>the interface is there but it wont access the router and i cant get an IP via router dhcp
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01:30<xeno1300>it goes down and back up but the ip assign dosent change anything even with the manual ip assign
01:30<ifvoid>didn't ifup -a give any output?
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01:30<ifvoid>that's weird
01:31<ifvoid>can you paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin?
01:31<xeno1300>i cant get to paste bin no network...
01:31<tcsetattr>what diagnostics have you tried?
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01:33<xeno1300>none really i did the ifdown ifup thing. tried manual assigning an IP. changed cable, cycled router
01:33<xeno1300>i have ethernet cards and 3 interfaces, an lo and a sit0
01:34<ifvoid>try setting a fixed ip then
01:34<tcsetattr>if you haven't done any tests, how do you know something is broken?
01:34<xeno1300>iceweasle will not connet to google and ping to anything but the loopback dosent work
01:35<tcsetattr>ok, ping has been tried... how about traceroute
01:35<ifvoid>xeno1300: does ficonfig eth0 show an ip?
01:36<xeno1300>ifvoid no it dosent just a HWaddress
01:36<xeno1300>traceroute = network unreachable
01:36<xeno1300>just like ping
01:36<tcsetattr>after how many hops?
01:37<tcsetattr>at the first? does netstat -rn show any routes?
01:37<tcsetattr>I suppose with no assigned IP addresses it can't.
01:37<xeno1300>for some reason I have eth0 eth1 eth2 and only 2 actual cards
01:37<tcsetattr>udev strikes again!
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01:37<ifvoid>tcsetattr: if there's no ip assigned, nothering will work
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01:38<tcsetattr>how about mii-tool
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01:38<xeno1300>i get fields in netstat but nothing else
01:38<jm_>ls /sys/class/net - which one is listed? which one is referenced in interfaces file?
01:39<xeno1300>mii-tool eth0 fails eth1 no link eth2 100base navagate
01:40<tcsetattr>so eth2 is the one that's actually usable at this point.
01:40<xeno1300>the ls shows eth0 eth1 eth2 lo sit0
01:41<ifvoid>xeno1300: ah right
01:41<ifvoid>xeno1300: so what does /etc/network/interfaces say about eth2?
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01:42<ifvoid>it should have something like "iface eth2 inet dhcp" and "auto eth2"
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01:44<xeno1300>ls /etc/network/interfaces returns nothing but the path
01:44<xeno1300>eth2 has a ipv6 address but that is all
01:44<tcsetattr>sometimes you may have to actually look at the contents of a file, not just "ls" it
01:45<ifvoid>xeno1300: the _xontents_ of the file
01:45<xeno1300>open with txt editor ?
01:45<xeno1300>the answer to that is yes
01:46<xeno1300>iface eth1 inet dhcp
01:46<xeno1300>as well as
01:46<xeno1300>allow-hotplug eth1
01:46<ifvoid>but it should say eth2
01:47<ifvoid>and also auto eth2
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01:47<tcsetattr><xeno1300> for some reason I have eth0 eth1 eth2 and only 2 actual cards
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01:47<tcsetattr>this is the real problem... I suggest fixing that instead of modifying /etc/network/interfaces. because it'll happen again... some day you'll have an eth3 and _that_ will be the only one that works.
01:48<ifvoid>tcsetattr: uh no
01:48<ifvoid>tcsetattr: the names should be fixed, in principle
01:48<xeno1300>tcsdtattr how do I fix that exactly
01:48<ifvoid>obviously something went wrong, but that shouldn't happen again
01:48<tcsetattr>unfortunately udev is a complete tragedy, no principles apply.
01:48<ifvoid>xeno1300: just change it to eth2
01:48<tcsetattr>it screwed you once, it'll screw you again
01:48[~]xeno1300 is noob
01:49<xeno1300>explain udev
01:49<ifvoid>xeno1300: just ignore tcsetattr
01:49<xeno1300>ifvoid >.> <.<
01:49<jm_>no don't ignore tcsetattr
01:50<tcsetattr>apt-get remove udev, reboot, and you'll find the number of eth* interfaces makes sense again
01:50<jm_>adjust it in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
01:50<tcsetattr>or go ahead and mangle your network config
01:50<ifvoid>tcsetattr: please don't give stupid advise
01:50<tcsetattr>or go to that dumbass z* file like jm_ says and spend the next half hour begging udev not to mess you up again.
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01:50<ifvoid>tcsetattr: maybe you know how to manually add devices to /dev/ when it is needed, but he obviously doesn't
01:51<jm_>network cards don't have device files in /dev anyway
01:51<ifvoid>jm_: no, but removing udev will disable all kinds of other functionality
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01:52<xeno1300>the real question is why did this happen to start ?
01:52<tcsetattr>I do know how to use MAKEDEV (which isn't hard at all, probably easier than the udev configgery) but I've never had to... Debian's /dev without udev has all the devices you're ever likely to need
01:52<jm_>ifvoid: not in my experience, then again, I don't use GNOME or KDE
01:52<ifvoid>jm_: removing udev is fine if you know what you are doing
01:52<ifvoid>telling a newbie to remove is stupid advice
01:52<jm_>ifvoid: absolutely
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01:53<ifvoid>xeno1300: when did it start?
01:53<tcsetattr>it happened because you replaced a network card, right? new MAC address + udev = new stupid eth* interface, gotta reconfigure everything.
01:53<xeno1300>jm_: neither do I (flux)
01:53<xeno1300>ifvoid: just now I moved my box from one room to another and boom clusterfuk
01:54<tcsetattr>udev causes many problems and solves none.
01:54<ifvoid>tcsetattr: whatever
01:54<ifvoid>tvgo complain to md and linux-kernel
01:54<xeno1300>tcsetattr: no I just moved the coputer from one room to another
01:54<ifvoid>but please stop confusing users here
01:54<jm_>hehe, the only thing I use udev for is to mount my USB disk, used hotplug for that previously
01:55<tcsetattr>if you hadn't contradicted me, who would be confused?
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01:55<ifvoid>tcsetattr: removing udev would have given him lots of other headaches
01:55<xeno1300>well Im good and lost... edit interfaces or no ? if no what then should I do
01:56<ifvoid>xeno1300: yes, edit interfaces, and change it to eth2
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01:56<tcsetattr>editing your interfaces file is a temporary fix
01:56<xeno1300>I did and added the auto eth2
01:56<ifvoid>tcsetattr: it should not be
01:56<tcsetattr>until udev gets its panties in a bunch again and makes you an eth3
01:56<ifvoid>xeno1300: ok, then run ifup eth2
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01:56<ifvoid>tcsetattr: yeah yeah, we get it, udev is an evil piece of crap
01:57<ifvoid>too bad it works fine for 99% of the users
01:57<tcsetattr>it works until it decides not to. then people who don't know better learn to work around it. that's not the same as "working fine"
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01:58<ifvoid>no, it works until people start doing things their own way
01:58<ifvoid>then it breaks
01:58<ifvoid>I haven't had any udev problems recently (past year or so)
01:58<ifvoid>anyway, this is offtopic here
01:59<ifvoid>take your complaints to the bts
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01:59<jm_>so changing a NIC is doing things your own way?
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02:00<ifvoid>changing nics should change the naming of the existing devices
02:00<jm_>no it shouldn't
02:00<ifvoid>as those are assigned based on mac or so
02:00<ifvoid>if it does, that's a bug
02:00<jm_>see, that's what tcsetattr has been telling you
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02:00<xeno1300>ok the interfaces fix did work but Im not sure I have a use for udev if it is simply for hot plugging
02:00<ifvoid>(and yes, there have been such bugs in the past, but afaik that's all been resolved)
02:01<tcsetattr>before udev, mac-based naming was NOT the default policy. now, with udev, it IS the default policy. this is an unpleasant change.
02:01<ifvoid>xeno1300: no, it's also for automatically creating interfaces to kernel drivers
02:01<ifvoid>tcsetattr: persistent nic naming is unpleasant?
02:01<jm_>xeno1300: you'll need it with debian kernels anyway
02:01<ifvoid>tcsetattr: anyway, go complain at #debian-devel or so
02:01<tcsetattr>aside from that, the idea that /dev should be empty of devices until after the drivers are loaded completely kills the idea of auto-loading modules when a /dev node is opened, which is Way Cool.
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02:02<xeno1300>so it assigns kernel drivers to interfaces ??
02:02<ifvoid>tcsetattr: yes, and uninstalling udev won't change that
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02:02<tcsetattr>and yes, it IS unpleasant, when people have for years and years known that they can replace a card without reconfiguring anything, and suddenly it doesn't work that way anymore.
02:02<ifvoid>xeno1300: many kernel drivers have so-caleld device files in /dev/ to allow programs to communicate with the drivers
02:03<tcsetattr>uninstalling udev does change that, because it re-exposes the contents of /dev on the root filesystem, which includes all those nice /dev nodes, so you can open them to trigger a module load
02:03<ifvoid>xeno1300: udev makes sure that those file are there for all kernel drivers
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02:03<ifvoid>tcsetattr: oh right, I thought you meant a devfs-like system
02:04<ifvoid>tcsetattr: anyway, all moduels are automatically loaded anyway, nowadays
02:04<tcsetattr>devfs id dead :)
02:04<xeno1300>so in a manner of speaking it writes configs for kernel driver interfaces
02:04<ifvoid>xeno1300: well, access points for kernel interfaces, yes
02:04[~]ifvoid away
02:04<gustavo_>does anyone knows where i can find drivers for motorola mot pci3?
02:04<ifvoid>going to do something useful
02:04<gustavo_>!motorola mot pci3
02:05<xeno1300>well thanks for your time ifvoid
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02:06<xeno1300>thanks all for your help... im going to go read more about this
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03:20<ex-bart>Today my rpc.statd did bind to the port used by my vlan, preventing my vlan from starting. Does anyone know how to prevent that?
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03:27<sep>start the vlan first ?
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03:28<jm_>-p, --port port specify a port for rpc.statd to listen on. By default, rpc.statd will ask portmap(8) to assign it a port number.
03:29<jm_>and surprisingly enough, there's a comment about it in /etc/default/nfs-common
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03:31<ex-bart> /etc/default/nfs-common does not exist on my system... (lenny)
03:31<jm_>can't help you then
03:32<ex-bart>but portmap seems like a good pointer.
03:32<jm_>look at /etc/init.d/nfs-common as a starting point
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03:33<ex-bart>Oh.. it does exist. I should pay attention what my shell says on what computer I am...
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04:15<ex-bart>if anyone is still interested in the portmap stuff, see Bug#261484 and the portreserve package as a workaround
04:16<ex-bart>Thanks for the pointers
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04:34<JasonS>hello LittleSKy
04:34<LittleSKy>german or USA?
04:35<dpkg>well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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04:36<LittleSKy>wie komme ich denn in die anderen Chats?
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05:07<Stephim>hi smp
05:07<smp>i have some doubts on debian network installation
05:07<smp>hi Stephin
05:08<smp>can u help me on that regard
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05:08<Stephim>let us know your issues
05:09<smp>anyone who did that one can share his/her knowldge
05:09<azeem>smp: try to explain your problem, and maybe somebody knows
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05:10<smp>i can boot from my NIC and getting ip from local dhcp server
05:10<smp>i have configured TFTP server and apache web server for that purpose
05:11<smp>but after booting and getting ip it is not loading the base system
05:12<smp>it fails to load kernel
05:14<smp>i have dumped the content of my installation CD in the TFTPboot dir and make a sym link to /var/www dir
05:14<smp>so now tell me what to do..
05:14<Maulkin>Did you follow the netboot section of the install manual?
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05:15<Stephim>I don't know the TFTP protocol.. but did you get the error while loading the kernel?
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05:15<smp>but actually i want instal all the stubs from my local server only..without using interner
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05:16<Maulkin>I'm not sure why you're using apache.
05:16<smp>yah Stephim
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05:16<mav>how do i change permissions for all users to be able to write to a mounted hd?
05:16<smp>Maulkin:as i want to get the files using http protocol
05:16<Stephim>So give us the error message ,smp ?
05:17<Maulkin>smp: you can't use netboot to use the http protocol. Which files are you trying to get?
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05:19<jm_>mav: depends on fs
05:19<smp>Maulkin:i am using PXE boot /install/netboot/pxelinux.0 file is there
05:19<smp>that i think boot -loader
05:19<mav>jm_: fat32 is the drive i want to change permissions on
05:19<smp>so in that dir. /debian-installer/default file is there
05:20<jm_>mav: /msg dpkg vfatrw
05:21<smp>Maulkin:there some choices are there to diff modes of deb system default is normal base system
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05:23<smp>Maulkin:without http how can i get those files?
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05:25<Maulkin>smp: right. There's two stages here. The first is to boot from a network connection. The second is to install (from within the installer) files from the network. Which are you having issues with?
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05:26<smp>Maulkin:I need both.Now I can able to boot from the n/w so,i think 1st stage is over.But I can't do the 2nd one
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05:27<smp>Maulkin:how to invoke the debian installer after booting frm the n/w
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05:31<smp>Maulkin :r u there
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06:53<dlizana>este canal tope polluo
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06:57<ziringha>ciao a tutti
06:57<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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07:18<denvik>how i can in xchat switch on userlist?
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08:05<dererk>nice split
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08:07<Tuplad>guys, I've got this problem - everytime my computer starts up my sounds disappears, when I reload then it works well again :\
08:07<Tuplad>how to fix ? I use ALSa
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08:08<Fox_1_>hi all
08:08<tolecnal>Tuplad: have you run alsaconfig, and made sure that you have the right modules set up to load at boot time?
08:08<dererk>You have to store configuration
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08:09<jm_>Tuplad: reload what?
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08:09<Fox_1_>people I have used debmirror and downloaded debian repository in my server. but it wasn't load some files (74 mb) and didn't create release files.
08:09<Tuplad>tolecnal: I ran it like a week ago, and since then at first boot my sound disappears, then I have to reboot for it to reappear
08:09<Tuplad>dererk: doesn't work
08:09<Tuplad>jm_: the computer
08:09<Tuplad>dererk: alsactl store ?
08:10<Fox_1_>I have tried to use other mirrors, but the same files aren't exists
08:10<jm_>Tuplad: that makes no sense, verify if it loads modules and once volume is set run alsactl store
08:10<Tuplad>jm_: how to verify it ? :]
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08:11<jm_>Tuplad: lsmod
08:11<tolecnal>you run alsaconf, adjust the mixer settings, play a sound with any application able to produce a sound (ref: xmms, amarok, aplay, mp3blaster etc etc), then if the sound works you issue alsactl store
08:12<jm_>Tuplad: but in any case, if you don't get an error, just no sound, it's likely a mixer issue in which case alsactl store shall help
08:13<Tuplad>tolecnal: bash: alsactl: command not found
08:13<Tuplad>tolecnal: it worked before though
08:13<jm_>well you have to run lsmod when it "doesn't work"
08:14<Tuplad>it doesn't work right now
08:14<tolecnal>means you don't have alsa-utils installed
08:14<Tuplad>oh, didn't do it via root
08:14<jm_>what does /proc/asound/cards contain? you have snd_via and snd_usb, maybe that's it
08:14<Tuplad>after alsaconf, I get: alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found...
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08:15<Tuplad>jm_: asound folder doesn't exist :\
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08:16<jm_>Tuplad: directory! uhm are you sure? you have snd modules loaded
08:16<Tuplad>jm_: I'm sure
08:16<Tuplad>the dir isn't there
08:17<jm_>Tuplad: ahh you also have via82cxxx module loaded, which is an OSS driver
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08:17<jm_>ahh no that's IDE driver, audio one has audio in the filename
08:18<jm_>I somehow recall someone else having similar situation, but not what we did to fix it ;)
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08:19<Tuplad>but I have via82
08:20<jm_>yeah that's OK
08:20<jm_>maybe compare dmesg output when it works to the one when it doesn't
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08:22<Tuplad>I have no idea idea what you're talking about :D
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08:23<jm_>dmesg is a command
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08:26<roriv16>Quelqu'un peut-il me renseigner sur un comportement étrange suivant :
08:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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08:29<roriv16>Lorsque j'ouvre plus d'un onglet dans konsole ou dans iceweasel, que je clique sur x (fermeture) et que je choisis annuler dans al boîte de dialogue qui apparaît, j'obtiens un avertissement-kwin me disant entre autre que terminal ou iceweasel ne répond pas
08:29<azeem>roriv16: this is an english channel
08:30<azeem>roriv16: try #debian-fr
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09:11<mikkelorz>man this is driving me crazy :S
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09:30<dooglus>I'm having problems with my ext3 root partition
09:31<dooglus>when I try to boot, it runs fsck, then reboots
09:31<dooglus>it does this over and over
09:31<benley>try going single-user instead of letting it auto fsck
09:31<dooglus>I've booted a live CD to run fsdk on the partition and run fsck from there
09:31<benley>or that.
09:31<dooglus>fsck finds no errors, but when I try mounting it, it tells me
09:32<dooglus>"ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure"
09:33<benley>does it then say "Marking fs in need of filesystem check." ?
09:33<dooglus>I got into this mess by running 'fsck' while the root partition was mounted. I ran it as a regular user, without 'su', so thought it couldn't cause any damage. I was wrong...
09:33<dooglus>benley: indeed. exactly.
09:33<benley>oh god you ran fsck in RW mode while the filesystem was mounted read-write?
09:34<dooglus>benley: then 'mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommeded'
09:34<dooglus>benley: I just ran 'fsck' - no '-y' flag. I thought that wouldn't touch the disk, especially since I wasn't root. a non-privelegded user can't trash the fs can he?
09:35<benley>he can if he can write to the block device.
09:35<benley>Which is ill-advised but perfectly possible.
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09:36<benley>on debian if you're in group "disk" you get write permissions on the hard drive block devices.
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09:37<benley>so anyway, if you fscked while mounted RW, you probably need more voodoo than I can offer
09:37<benley>but most likely the journal needs to be invalidated at the very least
09:37<dooglus>I think it didn't find any errors, but it did clear the journal
09:37<dooglus>or something
09:38<dooglus>any idea how to invalidate the journal?
09:38<benley>mount as ext2 :)
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09:39<benley>tune2fs can do it as well I think
09:39<dooglus>is that a joke?
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09:39<benley>no really - you can mount an ext3 filesystem as ext2, and doing so will basically just invalidate the journal
09:39<dooglus>googling "invalidate.journal" ext3 found 0 resutls
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09:41<dooglus>mounting as ext2 still told me there were errors. i guess the fs is still marked as having an error
09:44<dooglus>maybe I can convert the fs to ext2 and back to ext3<
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09:45<benley>dh-make-perl is so voodoo
09:45<dooglus>dh-* always scares me
09:46<benley>I can't figure out how to get it to package File::ShareDir for the life of me
09:46<benley>even with a --depends line as big as the sun
09:47<dooglus>sorry, can't help with that :(
09:47<benley>Are there any Perl doods in the hizzouse?
09:47<dooglus>incidentally, the live CD I'm using is a few years old
09:47<mikkelorz>hey is it possible to set a default proxy server in the interfaces file? it's for my laptop.. when i connect at school i gotta use a proxy with my wireless in order to get online
09:48<dooglus>is that likely to cause problems? the 'fsck', 'tune2fs', etc, will all be old
09:48<benley>dooglus: it's worth trying newer utilities, but I'm not sure.
09:48<mikkelorz>would be nice not having to do it manually each time.. and not having konq doing it
09:48<benley>I'm not sure that there's really a system-wide place to define proxy servers
09:49<benley>and there's no mention of proxy in the manpage for interfaces
09:49<mikkelorz>export http_proxy="" is system wide no?
09:49<dooglus>mikkelorz: I've done something before in a startup file - like "if ifconfig eth0 | grep -q 192.168; then export HTTP_PROXY=http://user:pass@host/
09:49<dooglus>mikkelorz: fi
09:49<benley>HTTP_PROXY will go a long way but probably won't fix everything
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09:50<mikkelorz>dooglus: hm dont grasp your concept i think :)
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09:54<dooglus>mikkelorz: you need HTTP_PROXY to be defined in your environment
09:54<mikkelorz>i got all my networks in roaming via wpa.. so i can configure each network with different settings..
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09:54<dooglus>your environment is inherited by each process from its parent
09:54<dooglus>so my trick was to set HTTP_PROXY in the first shell that is run by gdm when I log in
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09:54<dooglus>mikkelorz: that's too early if you log in, and then move from college to home, but I never did
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09:54<dooglus>mikkelorz: the alternative is to put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d , but how do you get that script to affect currently running processes?
09:54<benley>you don't.
09:54<mikkelorz>dooglus: so basically i just probe for a specific network and do an if-else thing?
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09:54<ryan_>I can't seem to send email out through my SMTP (qmail) server as of 5am this morning... worked fine around 3am... email is still coming in, but it's not allowing me to relay through it internally anymore -- server hasn't been touched / patched / restarted for 3 months
09:54<mikkelorz>i saw this guy who runs samba when he's at home
09:54<dooglus>mikkelorz: aye. I was using 'ifconfig' to show my current ip address - it was different depending on whether I was at home or work
09:54<mikkelorz>and when he's out it dosnt run
09:54<mikkelorz>was thinking i could adapt that approach to his conf
09:54<ryan_>any thoughts on how I can troubleshoot the SMTP issue?
09:54<ryan_>if I telnet into port 25 -- it works fine
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09:55<ryan_>actually I shouldn't say it works fine -- it seems to drop me prior to sending after using the DATA command
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09:55<ryan_>no 387 confirmatin
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09:55<quickshiftin>is there a particular debian channel for php related questions ?
09:55<mikkelorz>how about just #php?
09:55<azeem>quickshiftin: Debian-related php-related questions?
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09:55<Stereo>hello everyone :)
09:56<quickshiftin>yes; i have some questions about using apt-get and pecl on debian
09:56<mikkelorz>dooglus: well thanks for the tips.. gonna investigate this further =)
09:56<quickshiftin>for some reason pecl is only installing xdebug for php5 on a particular machine
09:56<quickshiftin>i just installed php4-dev
09:57<azeem>what is pecl?
09:57<Stereo>I booted a win2k box using knoppix and copied files over to my debian server. Now the accents in the filenames are all messed up
09:57<quickshiftin>and unistalled / installed xdebug w/ pecl
09:57<quickshiftin>pecl is a code repo for php
09:57<azeem>I see
09:57<azeem>quickshiftin: which version of Debian?
09:57<mikkelorz>Stereo: accents? user rights?
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09:58<quickshiftin>azeem: not sure; how to tell ?
09:58<quickshiftin>(new to debian still )
09:58<azeem>quickshiftin: cat /etc/debian_version
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09:59<mikkelorz>Stereo: well if the user rights are fux0red you can chmod +x filename them
09:59<mikkelorz>if thats what you're getting at?
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10:00<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
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10:00<Stereo>mikkelorz: accents
10:00<Stereo>user rights are fine
10:01[~]mikkelorz dunno the word "accents"
10:01<yang>wotsap pgp analisys tool is not in debian ?
10:01<azeem>quickshiftin: so what is xdebug and why do you need to install it?
10:01<quickshiftin>xdebug is an enhanced debugging facility for php
10:01<mikkelorz>yang: it is
10:02<mikkelorz>yang: add unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list
10:02<mikkelorz>should be there :)
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10:02<Stereo>mikkelorz: like umlauts
10:02<quickshiftin>is there some reason xdebug for php5 would be in stable, and xdebug for php4 would not ?
10:02<Stereo>umlauts are a type of accent
10:03<quickshiftin>cause i have it installed for php5
10:03<benley>fnørds are a type of accent
10:03<mikkelorz>Stereo: ah well then i've learned something new today :)
10:03<azeem>quickshiftin: I thought you installed it via pecl
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10:03<Stereo>they're called fnords?
10:03<azeem>so it's not "in stable"
10:03<azeem>quickshiftin: this looks like a pecl issue to me
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10:03<quickshiftin>azeem: yes i have installed via pecl
10:03<JasonS>mikkelorz: not sure its a good idea to be telling folks to add unstable to thier sources.list
10:03<mikkelorz>Stereo: but sorry to say.. cant help you out there
10:03<quickshiftin>pecl interface seems minimalistic
10:04<azeem>quickshiftin: and how did you install pecl?
10:04<quickshiftin>apt-get install pecl
10:04<azeem>there's no pecl pacage
10:04<mikkelorz>JasonS: well he asked for the package.. and debian is generally extremely conservative regarding adapting new packages
10:04<azeem>!info pecl
10:04<Stereo>I was hoping convmv could help me
10:04<azeem>17:03 <dpkg> Package 'pecl' does not exist.
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10:04<Stereo>the file names seem to be double-utf8-encoded
10:04<quickshiftin>sorrry, rather, i think it came down under php4-dev; let me double check how i installed pecl..
10:05<azeem>quickshiftin: php-pear, maybe?
10:05<quickshiftin>yes; thats it
10:05<quickshiftin>do i have to reinstall that after installing php4-dev, perhaps ?
10:05<mikkelorz>JasonS: and just because it's labelled "unstable" dosnt mean it is ;p
10:05<Stereo>i.e. André instead of André
10:06<azeem>quickshiftin: "that" being xdebug?
10:06<quickshiftin>azeem: php-pear
10:06<azeem>quickshiftin: I don't know, this looks like pecl-specific issue to me, rather than a Debian issue
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10:06<JasonS>mikkelorz: and if they arent running unstable all ready? and yes it certainly can be unstable
10:06<azeem>quickshiftin: no
10:06<yang>mikkelorz: i will wait for it to get into lenny
10:07<quickshiftin>alright; ill mess around a bit; see what i can dig up
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10:07<azeem>quickshiftin: do you have php5-dev installed?
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10:08<quickshiftin>let me see
10:08<yang>hey how does this go ?
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10:08<yang>!tell yang why is wotsap not in lenny
10:08<quickshiftin>azeem: no
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10:11<mikkelorz>JasonS: well the guy asked if the package was in apt.. i answered.. they should make up with themselves if they want to use it or not.. not really up to you or anyone else to tell them
10:12[~]benley levels up on packaging perl debs
10:12<JasonS>mikkelorz: so you'll fix it when it breaks because of your suggestion? :)
10:12<mikkelorz>some people like living on the bleeding edge..
10:12<quickshiftin>i think i see; it; it is the configuration of pecl it seems
10:13<mikkelorz>JasonS: no why should i :) unstable usually idicates "run on your own risk"
10:13<yang>what is the link to that page which contains packages info on "why is package not in <distro>"
10:13<gsimmons>yang: For the testing excuse, see <>.
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10:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is
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10:19<mikkelorz>hm love that wiki index
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10:21<quickshiftin>ok; ive unistalled php5-dev (looks like i had it)
10:21<quickshiftin>unistalled php4-dev
10:21<quickshiftin>uninstalled php-pear
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10:21<quickshiftin>now going to install them again; apt-get wants to pull in php5-dev
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10:21<quickshiftin>any idea why ?
10:21<quickshiftin>or how to tell it; i dont want php5
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10:27<alex_>what would be a command to what my hdd's are being accessed by? currently i have 40% WA in top and my HDD's are in heavy use for the last hour, i think its a process somewhere behing nasty - any clues?
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10:28<dooglus>I was just told "/dev/sda2 has gone 4971 days without being checked, check forced". can someone please tell me what year it is now?
10:28<witte>alex_: swap maybe
10:29<petemc>alex_: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
10:29<dooglus>petemc: 2007? wow. which planet is this?
10:29<petemc>tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)'
10:29<Stereo>dooglus: gliese 581 c
10:30<Stereo>% date --date "-4971 days"
10:30<Stereo>Mon Jan 17 15:30:02 UTC 1994
10:30<dooglus>Stereo: hmmm, that's odd. My people destroyed gliese 581 c back in the year 43 b.z.
10:30<Stereo>are you from 1994?
10:30<dooglus>Stereo: I typoed - it really says 49710 days
10:31<Stereo>that's invalid
10:31<dooglus>I'm guessing that gives date 0? like 1970, or whenever?
10:31<alex_>petemc, ta
10:31<Stereo>no, it gives some date in the 19th century
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10:32<dooglus>very strange
10:32<witte>I know that there are no more smp kernels in lenny, I believe because the kernel detects that automatically?, but what about hyperthreading processors? how are they recognised.
10:33<witte>I find only one instance in /proc/cpuinfo
10:33<dooglus>I mounted it as ext2, made some small changes, umounted, remounted as ext3, did some more changes, then umounted and rebooted
10:33<dooglus>the fsck-on-boot told me the last mount and last read times were both in the future according to the superblock, but that the last check was 49710 days ago
10:34<Stereo>1970 was about 14k days ago
10:34<witte>Thing is, I used an old install on a new pc (with hyperthreading processor) and I expected to see two cpu's in /proc/cpuinfo
10:34<Stereo>13753 precisely
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10:35<dooglus>what does exit status 3 from fsck indicate?
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10:36<dooglus>oh, great! after fsck this time it forced a reboot, but then booted fine
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10:37<dooglus>benley: thanks for your help - mounting as ext2 seems to have fixed it - probably due to invalidating the journal, as you sugested
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10:45<benley>dooglus: glad to hear it :)
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10:56<flami>Hi Im looking for some software that can compare 2 diretories and if there is a difference between 2 files copy from directory a to directory b.
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10:58<flami>thanks ill ahve a look ^^
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11:00<dooglus>benley: I just wish it would have warned me properly before letting me run fsck on a mounted root partition
11:01<dooglus>benley: all it said was "THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE SEVERE DAMAGE"... :)
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11:03<benley>dooglus: yeah, unix is a harsh mistress
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11:04<benley>dooglus: fwiw, some other fsck utilities have such warnings, but apparently not e2fsck
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11:04<benley>dooglus: xfs_repair absolutely refuses to touch a filesystem that's mounted read-write
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11:04<dooglus>benley: I think you mis-read - it did mention "SEVERE damage", but I ignored its warning, thinking it was running read-only
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11:06<dooglus>benley: looks like I should have used the '-n' option, to specify "read only". I was thinking '-n' was the default
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11:06<benley>fsck -y is great for making huge messes.
11:07<dooglus>benley: right. and '-p' means make medium-sized messes. and '-n' means make no messes. but what if you specify none of those 3? what's the behaviour then?
11:07<benley>"zomg all my files are now in /lost+found!"
11:07<benley>not sure :)
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11:08<dooglus>benley: if '-y' means 'don't ask, just answer 'yes' to everything', then I'd expect missing the -y to mean "do ask, before changing anything", but it didn't - it just changed things without asking
11:08<benley>-p might be the default.
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11:16<naudiz>Software updates icon in gnome wants me to update my kernel 2.6.18-4 kernel to 2.6.18-6 kernel but my wifi card doesn't work with the new verion by default and sound support Alsa is buggy
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11:18<Eulex>I doubt there are such big differences between two minor kernel versions.
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11:18<naudiz>Eulex so no real need for me to update then eh ?
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11:20<Eulex>naudiz, yes, security updates. how do you know that those problems exist in the newer version? in any case, there is no 2.6.18-6 kernel in debian, do you mean 2.6.18-5?
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11:28<prower>Hello everyone :> For anyone who's running an up-to-date version of Etch, could you possibly list the output of uname -a here? I'm trying to determine whether or not I'm updated to the latest kernel
11:29<Maulkin>Your output shoudl be 2.6.18-5-686
11:29<Maulkin>Or something very similar
11:30<Maulkin>2.6.18-4 is the pre-security update one
11:31<prower>Ahh, got Linux relentless 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP or something similar
11:31<prower>(minus my machine name :P)
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11:52<tcsetattr>anyone with recent experience hooking up a comcast cable modem to a Linux box? how painful is it?
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11:55<the-dude>can't be that bad
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11:56[~]tbf wonders why debian's iso-codes package doesn't come with a parser library
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12:02<fxiny>comcast ? the infamous of "Just say 'no' to Comcast" ?
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12:04<fxiny>according to some digg/blog they don't support linux
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12:05<JasonS>fxiny: i suspect most don't "support" linux
12:06<petemc>any cable service in the uk has a modem with ethernet
12:06<JasonS>in fact i love calling mine and have then tell me to do a virus scan :)
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12:08<fxiny>JasonS: some do support linux : for example they send those funny cd for adsl set up where linux gets a fair share of it
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12:09<tcsetattr>ethernet is just a phys/link layer. the network layer or higher is where I expect trouble might come.
12:09<petemc>how so?
12:09<JasonS>so far ive been on two sorry 3 different isps here that don't support linux with no problems
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12:10<tcsetattr>forced NAT'ing that intercept your connections and makes you log in to an "internet Explorer only" web interface before sending any packets to the outside world?
12:10<tcsetattr>I've heard of such things happening with cable modems. but that kind of stuff changes frequently which is why I asked if anyone had done this recently
12:10<petemc>oh, my isp (virgin nee ntl) have a transparent web proxy
12:10<sheldonh>whoever mentioned the laptop tasksel last night, thanks! i've discovered uswsusp, which works out of the box even though i'm using the proprietary nvidia driver on a dell inspiron 9300!
12:11<sheldonh>now... can anyone suggest sneaky command-line fu to get my box to switch to a specific terminal (tty7, as it happens)?
12:11<JasonS>fxiny: a funny read but no differnt then most
12:12<tcsetattr>chvt 7, sheldoneh
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12:12<fxiny>JasonS: true : i prefere BOFH :))
12:12<JasonS>i love it when they accused me of spreading a virus and i had 24 hrs to clean my system, you could hear a pin drop with i said umm that's not possible, i dont run windows i run linux
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12:12<seanius>tcsetattr: neat
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12:13<sheldonh>oh, bugger. uswsusp doesn't seem to provide "on resume" hooks like hibernate did
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12:16<tcsetattr>thing to watch for: chvt doesn't work if it's not run on a virtual console itself
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12:16<fxiny>ahahah FOND IT :" Comcast Cuts Off Users Who Exceed Secret Limit" slashdot yesterday
12:16<sword>tcsetattr: Not true.
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12:17<fxiny>a secret limit : pfui ..
12:18<sheldonh>hmmm, hang on... i can just put my resume stuff after the s2ram command in the lm_lid button action
12:18<tcsetattr>what's not true?
12:19<sheldonh>tcsetattr: awesome, works perfectly, thanks
12:19<sheldonh>petemc: i use this to work around my lame isp's transparent proxy:
12:20<petemc>oh, its not something i ever have an issue with
12:20<petemc>but, ta
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12:21<sheldonh>petemc: our local monopoly telco is _terrible_ :)
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12:21<tcsetattr>the lameness of an interception proxy during normal use isn't why I asked... it was about the initial setup
12:22<sword>tcsetattr: You can switch vt's from afar, I did it last night.
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12:22<tcsetattr>ok, but not by just running "chvt 7" from an xterm for example. you have to be a little bit more clever.
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12:23<grummund>Hi, any suggestions why totem movie player no longer works please? - Totem could not play 'mms://'. No URI handler implemented for "mms".
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12:23<tcsetattr>or be root, I guess.
12:24<fxiny>obscure cli tricks always fascinate me : WHERE is situated that black hole holding 'em all ?
12:24<fxiny>must be a big one
12:25<fxiny>chvt 7 . 7 as in every sinner dream
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12:26<fxiny>situ wtat ? located :)
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12:27<JasonS>pardon fxiny ?
12:28<MrJamesK>I have created some debian packages for some internally written perl scripts. I created the packagename.postinst and packgename.template files in the debian directory. However, when the package is installed it doesn't appear that the postinst script gets called, because debconf is never executed. Is there another file that I am missing?
12:28<fxiny>JasonS: comcast or tcsetattr cli ? i'm on that one
12:28<test>Has anyone had any luck with installing a creative ES1373 on etch?
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12:29<test>I have tried alsaconf and it just quits without installing any drivers...
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12:30<test>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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12:31<the-dude>did you checked the chipset with lspci -v ?
12:31<test>no, It is marked on the board
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12:33<test>I even tried disabling it and installing an ESS1868 and it won't install either...
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12:34<tcsetattr>MrJamesK, is the postinst file present in /var/lib/dpkg/info after install?
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12:34<test>let me look
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12:35<test>What file name should I be looking for in that folder?
12:35<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: I do not see it there
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12:36<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: there are other files associated with the package there, but not the postinst
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12:37<tcsetattr>if you extract the control files with dpkg -e, is it there?
12:37<the-dude>test did it work before?
12:38<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: yes
12:39<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: I was wrong the postinst file is there
12:39<MrJamesK>it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info
12:39<MrJamesK>after install
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12:40<lindenle>Hi every time i try to join this channel with pidgeon it locks up
12:40<tcsetattr>ok then... is it executable? are you sure it's not getting run, or is it maybe not handling the args correctly?
12:40<lindenle>any ideas?
12:40<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: i think I figured it out, my packagename.templates file was named packagename.template
12:41<JasonS>lindenle: dont use pidgeon?
12:41<MrJamesK>if that fixes the problem I might just have to go jump out the window :-)
12:41<lindenle>JasonS: not so helpful ;P
12:41<JasonS>lindenle: #pidgeon? log files?
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12:42<lindenle>JasonS: works with all other irc channels....
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12:42<lindenle>JasonS: I will check debian bugs
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12:43<JasonS>if its only this channel i doubt its a bug
12:43<MrJamesK>tcsetattr: well I changed that file to packagename.templates and it still didn't work, so maybe that isn't the problem
12:43<lindenle>now it works
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12:44<xiph3r>hey anyone here that could help me with alsa?
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12:46<JasonS>!tell xiph3r about anyone
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12:47<xiph3r>!ask alsa
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12:48<malawiheiko>hi all
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12:49<MrJamesK>it appears to not be copying the packagename.templates file
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12:55<JasonS>xiph3r: please dont msg me, just ask your question in the channel and be patient
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12:55<xiph3r>does anyone know or could help me get alsaconf to see my sound card , the autodection fails to see it when i run it
12:56<Eulex>what sound card do you have, what chipset does it have and what alsa driver is it supposed to be supported by?
12:57<xiph3r>Eulex, I am sorry i do not know that im still very new to linux is there a command that can help me find the information? i was given an old 300mhz handme down pc
12:57<Eulex>xiph3r, lspci will answer one or two of those questions.
12:58<Eulex>xiph3r, if the card is a pci one and not an isa one, that is.
12:58<xiph3r>can i pm you the info so i do not flood the channel
12:58<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
12:58<xiph3r>ok 1 sec
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12:59<xiph3r>i belive this would be my sound card 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02)
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13:00<Eulex> will tell you whether this card is supported by alsa and if so what driver it needs
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13:02<Eulex>xiph3r, snd-ens1371 is the module name if you didn't already find it
13:03<brunosampayo>hey all
13:03<xiph3r>thankyou im reading about it on the link you gave me under the driver info for that card
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13:03<Eulex>xiph3r, note that you don't need (or shouldn't need) to compile anything on debian.
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13:04<zoders>mam pytanie
13:04<zoders>tu jest kanał PL ?
13:04<brunosampayo>SOMEONE could help me with a migrating my debian from a HDA ATA to a SATA hda?
13:04<xiph3r>Yeah thats what the page says when you do the command "modinfo soundcore" as its already loaded into the kernel
13:04<zoders>no i jak
13:04<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
13:04<zoders>jest kanał POLISH ? DEBIANA ?
13:05<the-dude>brunosampayo, thats not really hard but what do you mean by migrate?
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13:06<xiph3r>Eulex everything i have been able todo with docs and such but get my sound working. all the sound apps load in gnome its just that i dont hear anything but the sytem beeps and when i run alsaconf it fails to find my card
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13:07<Eulex>xiph3r, tried modprobe snd-ens1371 yet?
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13:08<xiph3r>nope i still learning all the commands for linux but i will run that right now
13:08<xiph3r>it cannot locate that module
13:09<xiph3r>is there a doc on how i get the module?
13:09<Eulex>what's the exact error?
13:09<Eulex>oh, and what kernel are you running?
13:09<MrJamesK>it appears that the postinst script is getting called, the problem is that debconf is never called during the postinst script like I expect it to be
13:09<xiph3r>modprobe: Can't locate module snd-ens1371
13:10<xiph3r>i think kernel 1.8 something like that
13:10<Eulex>xiph3r, uname -r ?
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13:11<Eulex>oh, that explains a bunch. with that old kernel, _no_ alsa drivers are installed by default. but why are you running such an old kernel?
13:11<Eulex>oh, and I must assume that you installed sarge and not etch?
13:11<xiph3r>it was given to me by a friend on cd, can you please point me in the right direction on how i upgrade the kernel?
13:11<tcsetattr>es1371 is the OSS module
13:12<xiph3r>liek i said im very new to linux so i am sorry for being so dumb about things
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13:12<brunosampayo>msg \the-dude Hey dude
13:12<the-dude>hi brunosampayo
13:12<brunosampayo>\msg the-dude Hey dude
13:12<Eulex>xiph3r, firstly, you should now that you run the old stable version of debian, 3.1 and not 4.0.
13:12<MrJamesK>ahh my postinst script was not calling the templates properly
13:12<klys>xiph3r: aumix
13:12<fliguy>With the release of the updated Etch (4.0r1) where can i find info regarding why they changed some of the packages to be installed but default?
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13:13<xiph3r>it took me 2 weeks to figure out what APT was :(
13:13<klys>xiph3r: apt-get install aumix
13:13<Eulex>xiph3r, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 to get the newest kernel available in sarge
13:13<Eulex>klys, aumix is totally useless without a properly working sound driver.
13:14<klys>eulex: it works with OSS
13:14<Eulex>klys, true
13:14<xiph3r>Thankyou, the debian website with all of its docs seems so massive hopefuly one day i will understand linux better
13:15<xiph3r>any good sites that make it easier to understand tho?
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13:15<klys>xiph3: which page at are you looking at?
13:15<Eulex>xiph3r, oh, and as tcsetattr said, the module name of the oss (an old deprecated sound system) module for your sound card is named es1371. this will work even with your current kernel. but I advice getting the newer one.
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13:15<xiph3r>i tryed to get the new kernel but got this
13:15<xiph3r>E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686
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13:16<xiph3r>should i use 386 at the end?
13:16<klys>xiph3r: how fast is your system
13:16<klys>xiph3r: apt-get install aumix; lsmod
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13:17<Eulex>xiph3r, odd. are your apt sources set up properly? (ie, can you install stuff with apt-get and search for packages with apt-cache)
13:17<xiph3r>yes i can do apt-cache search, ive done apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
13:18<xiph3r>klys i see the module loaded on the list
13:18<xiph3r>es1371 23820 0
13:18<klys>xiph3r: now type aumix
13:19<xiph3r>nice text based menu is in the console looks like everything is at half volume
13:19<klys>xiph3r: apt-get install mpg321 splay ogg123
13:19<klys>hit q to get out
13:20<xiph3r>E: Couldn't find package ogg123
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13:20<klys>also apt-get install esound
13:20<klys>and after installing esound type esd &
13:21<xiph3r>already have esound
13:21<klys>it should beep the speakers
13:21<klys>you either have it for alsa or oss, watch out
13:21<Eulex>note that if esd is running on top of oss, _ONLY_ apps that are written for esd will be able to output sound.
13:21<xiph3r>esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket
13:21<Valombre>xiph3r> apt-get install vorbis-tools
13:21<klys>with oss, esound is the best way to play from multiple sources
13:22<Valombre>(or ogg123)
13:22<klys>xiph3r: killall esd
13:22<Eulex>still, esd is a PITA.
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13:22<Eulex>and the apps will have to support it to be able to output sound.
13:22<klys>xiph3r: success?
13:22<fliguy>Where can i find info regarding why they changed some of the packages to be installed but default with the last release?
13:23<fliguy>installed by default**
13:23<xiph3r>iall esd is stopped
13:23<klys>esd &
13:24<klys>fliguy: search for changelogs at afaik
13:24<xiph3r>i dont hear anything but i get this
13:24<xiph3r>[1] 8342
13:24<klys>xiph3r: try killall and & again with the sound at max
13:25<klys>xiph3r: you're probably running the alsa package; dpkg -l | grep esound; dpkg -l | grep esd
13:26<xiph3r>nothing says alsa when i do the drep on esound
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13:27<klys>well, cat /dev/urandom > /dep/dsp
13:28<xiph3r>bash: /dep/dsp: No such file or directory
13:28<klys>and read in /usr/src/linux/Documentation about your sound driver, maybe after you get kernel sources
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13:28<xiph3r>still same error
13:29<xiph3r>if i upgrade my kernel will that solve my issues tho?
13:29<klys>which error
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13:29<xiph3r>bash: /dep/dsp: No such file or directory
13:29<xiph3r>cat: dev/dsp: No such file or directory
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13:30<klys>splay file.mp3
13:30<xiph3r>bash: splay: command not found
13:30<klys>apt-get install splay mpg321
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13:33<xiph3r>E: Couldn't find package mpg32
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13:34<JasonS>xiph3r: 321
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13:35<xiph3r>oh my bad sorry
13:35<lucydu69>hi, my new website about the futur of ubuntu vs debian :
13:35<JasonS>no thanks lucydu69
13:36<xiph3r>ok its installed i runt he command splay .mp3 and i get this message
13:36<xiph3r>splay: Failed to open sound device.
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13:38<xiph3r>if i cat dev/dsp the permission is deined now
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13:46<xiph3r>Thanks guys for all your help i am gonna reboot my system now to finish with the kernel upgrade
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14:12<Zathras>hi. Running Etch on AMD64. All plugins for Eclipse when browsing through software-updates within Eclipse are marked: wrong architecture. How can I fix this? I am especially looking for PHP and xdebug
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14:14<leconkairant>salut tout le moondeee
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14:14[~]fxiny wow signal beeps
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14:15<leconkairant>banzai j'en suis à installer les paquets je suis bientot sur mon debian tt neuf ^^
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14:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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14:19<devphyl>dpkg: and what channel is for "deutsch" if not debian-de ?
14:19<dpkg>devphyl: okay
14:20<dpkg>de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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14:22<ranix>how do I use directx 9 in wine?
14:22<ranix>The wiki says it's supported
14:22[~]N3bunel away
14:23<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
14:23<devphyl>ambigous ;)
14:23<ranix>but when I try to run a directx 9 app, I get errors about missing directx9 dlls
14:24<ranix>I'm running o.9.43, which is the newest available (way more recent than etch has)
14:25<Eulex>you might to ask in a wine-specific channel then
14:25<fxiny>in a rainix day :P
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14:26<sheldonh>phew, choosing the right gear for a storage cloud for a data centre is mind boggling
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14:27<flami>ranix, you wanna ask in #winehq on and look at
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14:28<lucydu69>hi my new blog :
14:28<azeem>lucydu69: don't paste non-Debian links here, please
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14:28<azeem>lucydu69: and don't even try to post them elsewhere
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14:29<@Ganneff>azeem: floodserv took care of the idiot
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14:34<azeem>Ganneff: it's on freenode now as well
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14:38<Mikeee>is there anybody else here having problems getting sound when playing movies in kino (1.1.1)?
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14:44<leconkairant>hi i'm l ooking for a cha to talk about white hat, exploit, backdoors etc ..
14:45<leconkairant>can you help me
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14:45<vHood>leconkairant: ##security on
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15:02<arato>which version of debian is 'Lenny'? 4.0 r1? or is that Etch?
15:03<flami>lenny is testing
15:03<flami>4.0 = etch = stable
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15:04<arato>lenny is 5.0, then?
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15:04<weasel>not decided yet
15:04<arato>oh ok
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15:05<arato>is it worth downloading Lenny right now, for a novice user?
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15:06<ranix>arato: depends on if you need packages from lenny
15:06<sheldonh>arato: i would say no :)
15:07<ranix>arato: which ones do you need?
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15:07<weasel>arato: if you have to ask, stick to stable.
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15:07<arato>ranix, I have Etch installed but want to start with a fresh install. Am having trouble w/ getting apache2 working correctly...iceweasel...and a few other packages.
15:07<arato>i use the amd64 version.
15:07<ranix>then you don't need anything from Lenny
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15:08[~]arato nods happily.
15:08<arato>ranix, sheldonh , weasel: cheers to all :)
15:09<sheldonh>every now and then, i feel the urge to up to testing, for a more recent kde and what not, but it's just such a pleasure to have a stable, secure primary workstation that i'm reluctant to jeopradize it
15:10<the-dude>from stable to testing is not really a big step
15:10<arato>i've been trying (slowly) to get a webserver working on this Etch install i have but i may have borked a few things by tinkering w/ things i should'nt have fresh install is where I'm headed. Just wanted to see if Lenny was worth it or not.
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15:11<schoappied>hi, I've updated Debian Etch Kernel to but now the starting up process stops before starting up k display manager: kdm... so I can't login in the normal graphical way...
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15:12<the-dude>schoappied, and were does it stop exactly?
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15:14<schoappied>Starting k display manager: kdm
15:14<schoappied> Debian Gnu/Linux 4.0 debiandirk tty1
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15:14<Zathras>with Eclipse on Etch AMD64 when I try to install extra plugins through the repositories I get: platform architecture does not match current environment.
15:15<schoappied>and than I can login only in a konsole like environment...
15:15<the-dude>schoappied, are you dutch ?
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15:15<Stephim>schoappied, it's normal .. you have to reconfigure the server X -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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15:16<the-dude>schoappied, do you have a shell?
15:16<Stephim>Each time you will update your kernel you will have to reconfigure the server X
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15:16<the-dude>Stephim, since when?
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15:16<schoappied>Stephiim, ok, only by giving that command you gave?
15:16<Stephim>I got the same 'issue'
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15:17<the-dude>but imho not with every kernel update
15:17<Stephim>Have a look on the X server log.. you will find the answer
15:17<naoliv_>Hi. I have sun-java6-plugin installed but the Java plugin isn't working on Iceweasel, Iceape or Epiphany. Tried sun-java5-plugin and also a Java package created with java-package, but without success. Also created a new user on my computer, to see if the problem was with some obscure config file on my home, but the Java plugin still isn't working. about:plugins shows that I have Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_02-b05 installed (and that it's using libjavaplugin_o
15:17<naoliv_>, but when opening any site with Java (for example, it just doesn't show anything. Any ideas, please?
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15:18<naoliv_>(argh, sorry for this big message)
15:19<schoappied>Stephim: so just just giving the command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
15:19<the-dude>schoappied, do you have a shell?
15:20<sheldonh>the-dude: well, lenny's had a couple of wobbly moments already (for desktop users), and the biggest issue is probably that it gets security updates last
15:20<schoappied> a shell? You mean a terminal or Konsole?
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15:21<the-dude>sheldonh, I did not really notice any problems when I change kernels and I have seen alot
15:21<sheldonh>the-dude: i don't tihnk the kernels are the issue. i'm referring to recent fun and games with kde and iceweasel :)
15:22<the-dude>sheldonh, oh ok what happend to iceweasel? I missed that one
15:22<the-dude>schoappied, shell
15:22<sheldonh>the-dude: it sounds like lenny's wildly more stable than the name "testing" suggests, but it's not etch :)
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15:23<schoappied>the-dude: yes :/
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15:24<sheldonh>the-dude: don't know the details of either. head mumbles here, made me happy with what i have, didn't need to remember more :)
15:24<the-dude>sheldonh, ah ok I think the toystory names are funny but also confusing
15:25<the-dude>schoappied, try to log in with your username and password then try "startx" see if that works
15:25<sheldonh>the-dude: yeah, i meant "testing" is more stable than the name suggests, but it's not "stable" (which is not to say it isn't stable) ;)
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15:26<the-dude>sheldonh, I agree on that, testing is pretty stable and sometimes it has a bit of newer usefull packages
15:27<schoappied>the-dude: ok, thanks
15:27<the-dude>unstable sometimes breaks, but most of the time it is fixed the next morning or same day depending on were you live
15:27<the-dude>schoappied, geen probleem he
15:27<the-dude>schoappied, the dutch are everywere ;)
15:27<schoappied>wellicht tot straks...
15:28<schoappied>there's no dutch debian forum is it?
15:28<the-dude>schoappied, did it work ? is x starting?
15:28<schoappied>not tried yet
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15:29<schoappied>I'll try now
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15:32<John>Hey guys I had a question about aptitude... does anyone know much about it?
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15:33<azeem>just ask your question
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15:33<John>what does the red (UNSATISFIED) box mean when I'm trying to install emacs
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15:35<John>and also, what are keeps? I keep getting errors and stuff about "suggest 4 keeps"
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15:37<John>I'm using debian 4.0r1 on a 10 year old celeron box if that helps?
15:37<sheldonh>John: i think it just means that, that particular dependency isn't currently installed
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15:37<sheldonh>John: once you select the depending package for installation, the dependency should be selected for installation automatically as well
15:37<schoappied>the-dude: het werkte niet: fatal: module nvidia not found / failed to load the nvidia kernel module / no screens found ... zijn oa meldingen die ik krijg
15:38<John>ok sheldonh, how do I install those? should i just hit ! (for apply) for all of them then?
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15:38<the-dude>schoappied, ah that seems like a problem with the nvidia module
15:38<sheldonh>John: install the thing you want, and the things that are dependencies will be installed automatically (unless they're Suggests)
15:38<John>they are suggests
15:38<the-dude>schoappied, perhaps try to build the nvidia module?
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15:39<sheldonh>i mean recommends
15:39<schoappied>the-dude: the old kernel works ok
15:39<the-dude>schoappied, did you build a custum module for nvidia?
15:39<Stephim>shoappied, youhave to rebuild the nvidia module
15:39<sheldonh>ah, okay, so just hit the plus sign on them
15:39<John>Sheldonh: it says "suggest 4 keeps". Just press + (for install) and then that should work?
15:39<the-dude>schoappied, do you know how to build it ?
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15:40<sheldonh>John: pressing + on a package simply requests that it (and its dependencies) be scheduled for installation
15:40<schoappied>I used The debian way to make nvidia work..... but I'm not a very experienced user
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15:40<sheldonh>John: i recommend aptitude install aptitude-doc-en (or your preferred language, if available)
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15:40<the-dude>schoappied, with module-assistant?
15:40<schoappied>I think so, yes
15:40<John>okay. I understand that. I've read the manual, but I just keep getting this keeps thing.
15:40<ino>oki here is my probelem
15:41<sheldonh>John: then browse to file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html
15:41<John>okay let me try to find it
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15:41<the-dude>schoappied, if you use module-assisatant again you will build a new module install it and it will most likely work again :)
15:41<ino>i have crate a bash file so i want that it start in gdm where i have to go ?ß
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15:42<sheldonh>John: i think that means "conflicts have arisen, i think i should keep two packages at their installed versions, even though what you asked me to do would have their version change, or have them removed completely"
15:42<John>I get it now. It wants me to not install them
15:42<John>It says "emacs depends on so and so"
15:42<John>cancel the installation
15:42<John>how do i turn that off
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15:42<John>I don't want those keeps
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15:43<sheldonh>John: i think you can press "e" to examine the conflict and suggested resolution. honestly, i find conflicts much easier to handle using the command-line interface
15:44<John>that's what I'm using
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15:44<sheldonh>John: no :)
15:44<sheldonh>John: you're using the console-based gui :)
15:44<primanox007>I am having a proplem with slackware 12. Can someone help me?
15:44<John>huh? How does it get much more command line?
15:44<John>just ask your question primanox
15:45<sheldonh>John: see file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch01s02.html
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15:45<John>how am I supposed to do that?
15:45<John>get out of aptitude?
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15:45<primanox007>Ok, well I'm using Knoppix right now, but slackware will not recognize my modem, nor will it open CDs
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15:45<sheldonh>John: if you only have a single terminal at your disposal, yes
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15:46<John>yeah this is just the basic system apparently
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15:46<ino>how can i install my starting up skript with gdm
15:46<John>i'm trying to learn it... a daunting task for a winders guy... ok hold on
15:46<ino>where i have to install it ???
15:46<sheldonh>John: that section of the aptitude manual shows an example of how conflict resolution happens using the command line interface
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15:47<primanox007>any takers?
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15:47<primanox007>I get a security message when I try to open cds
15:47<John>sheldonh... there is no /html/ directory
15:47<primanox007>the message cannot be sent to the recipient or visa-versa
15:47<John>I don't think I installed the documentation :(
15:48<John>I'm at /usr/share/doc/aptitude
15:48<primanox007>oh, and I cannot use help... there is no search thingie
15:48<sheldonh>John: hence the "aptitude install aptitude-doc-en" suggestion :)
15:48<John>didn't see it
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15:48<sheldonh>John: try this:
15:49<sheldonh>John: bookmark that for later, then see this for your immediate needs:
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15:49<primanox007>ok, soooooooooooooooo
15:50<John>haha okay. let me try to find that
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15:50<John2>Ok, well I'm using Knoppix right now, but slackware will not recognize my modem, nor will it open CDs
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15:51<John>Okay. I see what you are talking about. I really just want to install samba
15:51<John2>I get a security message when I try to open cds
15:51<John>so how would I go about that?
15:51<John2>the message cannot be sent to the recipient or visa-versa
15:51<John>aptitude install samba ?
15:51<John2>oh, and I cannot use help... there is no search thingie
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15:51<primanox007>You've been not at all helpful
15:52<John>it would help if i was root, huh.
15:52<sheldonh>John: yes. :)
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15:53<sheldonh>John: "aptitude install samba" :)
15:53<John>oh yay! it's working. hold on.
15:53<John>The following packages are broken
15:53<John>keep the following packages at their current version:
15:53<John>samba [not installed[
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15:53<John>no... i want to install them
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15:54<John>should I say "n" when it says accept this solution?
15:54<sheldonh>well no, broken should be fixed
15:55<John>how do I go about that then?
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15:55<sheldonh>John: well, let's see what other solutions it offers if you say no :)
15:55<John>haha okay. let me try it
15:55<John>nope. no more solutions. let me say yes then?
15:56<sheldonh>well yes will just leave samba not installed
15:56<sheldonh>John: i'd love to see a pastebin of your /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:57<John>sorry... I'm like extremely new to this stuff... I don't know how to do that lol
15:57<sheldonh>John: 1) what operating system are you running aptitude on, and 2) have you modified /etc/apt/sources.list as part of setting it up?
15:57<John>ok here it is
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15:58<John>I'm running 4.0r1
15:58<John>or is that an l?
15:58<John>but it's a very old box
15:58<John>I just want to make it a fileserver
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15:58<John>vi confuses me too
15:58<John>that doesnt help either :(
15:59<sheldonh>John: try: aptitude install -f samba
15:59<John>still says keep:
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15:59<John>samba [not installed]
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16:00<sheldonh>John: i think you've held the package back
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16:00<Yoshy>I'm trying to make postfix to "route" <anything>@<ldap-user> to user <ldap-user>
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16:00<John>oh noes. how did i do that?
16:00<John>i can fix that
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16:01<sheldonh>John: i think you pressed colon (:) on the package in the aptitude gui, which tells aptitude you don't want the state of that package to be changed
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16:01<John>haha I SAID WAIT... okay I'm finding the solution
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16:02<RottNE>hello all
16:03<padski>looks like I need 2.6.22
16:03<kevinl>are debian apt repositories different in different countries?
16:03<sheldonh>John: thinking about it, i've got no idea why you're getting the results you're getting
16:03<kevinl>like a .uk mirror versions a .com mirror
16:03<John>haha after reading the manpages and everything, I don't know either
16:03<sheldonh>kevinl: afaik, they're only different in terms of the timing, because the mirroring is done by scheduled jobs that take time
16:04<John>I'm connected to the internet... I was able to get a page using wget
16:04<RottNE>i was wondering if any of you could tell me what command would be used to delete multiple files by date. such as through
16:04<kevinl>sheldonh, ok , just wanted to make sure the locales or language stuff wasnt different
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16:05<John>I'm not good with this RottNE... but you could probably read it in the manual? man -k delete | more
16:05<kevinl>does linux-image package install the modules too?
16:05<the-dude>kevinl, yes
16:06<RottNE>John: Thank you, I will look into that.
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16:06<padski>nothing like a random bit of hardware to make life more exciting :-)
16:06<John>when you find the man page you want, type
16:06<John>man (what you want to look at)
16:06<John>and then page through it with the F key
16:06<RottNE>John: ok, thanks :)
16:06<John>course, you probably know that, so I'm not much help
16:07<sheldonh>RottNE: for i in `seq -f "%02d" 4 8`; do rm$i; done
16:07<sheldonh>RottNE: see the seq manual page for more
16:07<John>see ^ he's much better
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16:07<sheldonh>RottNE: in this case, though, you could have just done rm[4-8]
16:08<padski>any tips for putting a sid 2.6.22 kernel on an etch box ?
16:08<sheldonh>RottNE: for more complex ranges that span months and years, you're better off writing a perl, python or ruby script to do it for you
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16:10<the-dude>padski, you could build it, or install it from unstable if you want
16:10<John>okay sheldonh so have we figured it out yet?
16:11<sheldonh>i highly recommend _not_ installing it from unstable :)
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16:11<John>I might have to call up a friend and see... I'm puzzled
16:11<John>you know what... you think I can just build it
16:11<the-dude>sheldonh, im running unstable and it works just fine :)
16:11<sheldonh>John: no. i think i've given up and you're still stuck :)
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16:11<padski>the-dude, yeah, I'm about to apt-get install it. just checking for surprises (like changes in the accompanying tools, etc)
16:11<sheldonh>the-dude: that's not the point
16:11<sheldonh>the-dude: installing a kernel from unstable will suck most of unstable in
16:12<John>sorry... sheldonh do you think that I can just build it?
16:12<sheldonh>the-dude: you're effectively telling him to upgrade to unstable, without saying as much :)
16:12<the-dude>first try a apt-get install linux-image-2.6-22X -d -s
16:12<padski>sheldonh, hasn't pulled anything in.
16:12<John>FIGHT! FIGHT! haha
16:12<sheldonh>padski: what do you mean?
16:13<padski>sheldonh, really apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 got me just that package.
16:13<sheldonh>padski: on etch?
16:13<the-dude>for safety you can disable unstable in your sources list
16:13<padski>sheldonh, but then the question is whether there is anything that I might need to do by hand, or that is known to break, etc.
16:14<padski>the-dude, yup, I know :-)
16:14<sheldonh>padski: if all it brought in was your kernel, um... then the damage is already done, i think :)
16:14<padski>I still have this nagging suspicion that something changes between etch and lenny, and I can't remember what
16:14<the-dude>sheldonh, using unstable will make you learn debian alot faster cause it breaks *g*
16:14<sheldonh>i misread. "The following packages have been kept back" sorry for the FUD
16:14<sheldonh>the-dude: i'm sooo over that whole vibe :)
16:15<the-dude>but I would not recommend it to beginners
16:15<the-dude>unstable can have some nasty "features"
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16:16<sheldonh>i know enough to backport unstable's asterisk packages using pbuilder, and how to build and tailor packages, and that's all i want to know :)
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16:17<the-dude>My experiance is that unstable isn't that unstable as it used to be , or Im getting better at fixing it ;)
16:17<padski>the-dude, I can fix it when it breaks, but its not a happy place to be for no reason. generally these day I run computers to do other stuff, I rarely need to go to unstable, but new random hardware from pc world will do it every time :-)
16:17<the-dude>padski, if it is just the kernel without any other packages you could give it a try, but you can also end up in trouble
16:18<sheldonh>the-dude: wait for gcc-4.2 to hit unstable :)
16:18<the-dude>do you mean gcc-4.2 base ?
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16:19<padski>the-dude, no, I'm beyond getting into trouble, just not beyond any help that might be handy :-)
16:19<padski>I'm still waiting for an objc compiler on arm eabi
16:19<the-dude>padski, it depends on what you use your computer for
16:19<sheldonh>the-dude: i mean whatever debian calls the gnu compiler collection, version 4.2 :)
16:20<piper>Installed: 4.2.1-4
16:20<the-dude>yeah me too *g*
16:20<sheldonh>ah, nice. here's hoping 4.2.1 fixes the braindead weak alias handling of 4.2.0 :)
16:20<piper>i ran stable once , not for me ;)
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16:21<the-dude>I don't recommend people to install unstable but unstable is really "stable" lately
16:21<piper>been for 5 years
16:21<the-dude>I have had some problems a few years ago
16:21<sheldonh>guess it depends what you want out of your platform
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16:21<the-dude>bleeding edge ofcoarse ;)
16:21<sheldonh>we're migrating away from gentoo for many reasons that would make unstable a poor fit for us
16:22<the-dude>I would never recommend gentoo to anyone
16:22<ranix>cflags just kickedin, yo
16:22<sheldonh>on the other hand, the more time passes after a major debian release, the more likely it is i'll want unstable on my laptop
16:22<ranix>700 hours away from emerging portage
16:22<ranix>vroom vroom
16:22<piper>just run sidux
16:23<piper>(bad word here)
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16:24<sheldonh>ranix: we were using it as the basis of our own distro. turns out release engineering and deploying a continually rolling distro is a lot more work than anticipated, and there's a #$%#$ good reason why debian, suse and redhat all opt for the "here's a major release, we won't break it for a few years" approach :)
16:24<sheldonh>ranix: but hey, i learned a lot :)
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16:25[~]the-dude thinks if you run gentoo you have enough time to read good debianbooks
16:25<piper>or raise a family
16:25<the-dude>Knorrie, and other dutch guy
16:25<padski>Error Number -2. need a visit from the firmware fairy ;-)
16:26<Knorrie>the-dude: :)
16:27<sheldonh>the-dude: we ordered two good debian books when we decided to go that route, but i must admit, the documentation i've found online has been outstanding
16:27<sheldonh>the-dude: a bit scattered, but outstanding nonetheless
16:27<padski>I would be so screwed without google
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16:30<John>we would all be haha
16:30<sheldonh>i'd love to see how many people per year would run /sbin/shoot-me-in-the-foot-please as root if it was standard on a debian build
16:30<sheldonh>kinda like popularity-contest
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16:31<klys>well what's cool today
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16:33<sheldonh>the-dude: i take it gcc-4.2.0 was never the compiler that was used to build packages for unstable? :)
16:33<padski>now here is an example of what I was talking about. iwconfig complains: "Driver for device eth1 has been compiled with version 22, while this program supports up to version 20. Some things may be broken..."
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16:35<sheldonh>"I am about to pull out the power cable that plugs into the kettle, or into your power supply. One of you may die."
16:35<padski>now the fascinating question is whether the iwconfig from lenny will do :-)
16:35<sheldonh>and so the fun begins :)
16:35<padski>It's handy that they are the same fitting ;-)
16:35[~]sheldonh pats his etch laptop and tells it how much he loves it now that it suspends to ram
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16:36<apsc>Hi all, I've got a strange problem with my timezone
16:36<padski>I *need* those new wifi drivers. none of my etch vintage wifi is really happy
16:37<padski>apsc, you got me. tell!
16:37<apsc>the hw clock is set to local PST time, and 'hwclock' shows the correct time: but when I run 'tzconfig': it says: Local time is now: Tue Aug 28 07:34:37 PDT 2007.
16:37<apsc>/etc/timezone is 'US/Pacific'
16:38<apsc>it's 7hrs back?
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16:38<padski>apsc, there is a setting for is your hw clock UTC or local
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16:38<sheldonh>apsc: what's UTC set to in /etc/default/rcS?
16:39<apsc>I've set it to both yes and no and there's no change after a reboot
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16:39<apsc>my bios is set to local pst
16:39<apsc>currently it's no
16:39<sheldonh>apsc: set it to no, then /etc/init.d/ restart
16:40<sheldonh>apsc: then /etc/init.d/ start
16:40<sheldonh>apsc: then echo $TZ; date
16:41<apsc>that worked
16:41<apsc>I had to set TZ='US/Pacific'
16:41<sheldonh>you shouldn't need to if /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone are correct
16:41<apsc>lemme reboot
16:43<sheldonh>interesting. /etc/localtime isn't a symlink in debian
16:43<padski>yeuch, /etc/localtime isn't text. I feel all unclean ;-)
16:43<sheldonh>i've always thought symlinking /usr/... into /etc for the configuration of critical services is stupid
16:44<sheldonh>debian gets a lot right :)
16:44<apsc>man this is strange
16:44<apsc>echo $TZ is empty now, but the date is correct
16:44<sheldonh>as it should be
16:44<apsc>so start did it
16:44<sheldonh>apsc: your system clock was wrong, that's all
16:44<apsc>well the right time shows up now
16:44<apsc>thanks all
16:45<sheldonh>apsc: actually, the stop fixed the hardware clock, then the start fixed the system clock :)
16:45<apsc>ah, i see
16:45<apsc>thanks sheldonh
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16:45<sheldonh>i hate time :)
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16:46<padski>... "WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed." ;-)
16:48<padski>g'night all :-)
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17:06<Aleksej>good night
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17:09<witte>hello, anyone experience with making a intel 915G graphics card dual head?
17:10<witte>I am able to give both screens the same (clone) but not that i have two different screens
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17:12<witte>I tried several configurations, but none seemed to do the trick
17:13<witte>I think it is just a tiny flag that i have to enable/disable...
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17:19<witte>One of the interesting errors/warnings is: (WW) No matching Device Section for instance (BusID PCI:00:02:01) found
17:20<witte>While i have that device section
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17:24<toninho>hi i have a problem with nic and debian 2.6.18-4-486
17:25<toninho>when i running lspci, the msg is
17:25<toninho>00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
17:25<toninho>00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/10
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17:25<qbit>toninho, what is the problem?
17:25<witte>something else that could be interesting to add to the problem: startx does not work, /etc/init.d/wdm does...
17:25<mish>Question: Is there a way I can get a directory listing of a NFS share without actually having to mount that directory?
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17:25<sheldonh>mish: i think not
17:26<mish>sheldonh: Cheers, in that case I'll have to mount the directory inside my PHP script and unmount it afterwards, damn.
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17:27<sheldonh>mish: what's the downside of leaving it mounted?
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17:36<witte>If anyone is interested, here are my current Xorg.0.log, my xorg.conf and lspci: ; ;
17:38<azeem>witte: which version of Debian?
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17:40<witte>azeem: lenny
17:41<witte>with the newest kernel in lenny: 2.6.21-2-686
17:42<the-dude>google for (EE) intel(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync
17:42<azeem>witte: did you try whether grandr maybe helps you?
17:42<witte>azeem: I really tried a lot of things
17:43<witte>grandr did not really work, but i will try it again (was a few days ago)
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17:44<witte>the error i got was "user set screen size larger than max screen size"
17:46<witte>azeem: I am not really sure with this intel card, is it that i have to configure something as mergedFB for radeon?
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17:48<witte>azeem: it kind of works when i set the screen size to 640x480
17:48<witte>azeem: but that is not very comfortable :-)
17:48<azeem>I don't really know a lot about it, I just know that grandr is the new tool to rool-them-all for this kind of stuff AFAICT
17:51<witte>the-dude: I am reading google stuff on that matter now ;-)
17:51<the-dude>witte, good luck I will check tomorrow
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18:07<oscurochu>there are three different DVD isos. which one do i download? all of them?
18:08<streuner>!d-i oscurochu
18:08<dpkg>oscurochu, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
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18:09<streuner>oscurochu: and read ig (installguide) (/msg dpkg ig)
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18:11<witte>in grandr, I cannot choose extended desktop, only clone mode, strange
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18:11<oscurochu>(/msg dpkg ig
18:11<oscurochu>(/msg dpkg ig
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18:30<boomboom>can i choose the session type (ie, kde, gnome, xfce) through the startx command?
18:31<lupine>boomboom: not as far as I'm aware. It just runs .xinitrc, etc
18:31<boomboom>i read that i was supposed to edit the .xinitrc file in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/
18:31<boomboom>but it's not there!
18:31<boomboom>any ideas?
18:31<lupine>just make it
18:31<boomboom>and add like exec startkde such and such?
18:31<lupine>it also runs ~/.xinitrc if you want per-user defaults
18:31<gravity>dear lord
18:32<gravity>boomboom: Edit ~/.xsession
18:32<lupine>you called?
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18:32<gravity>lupine: You're not lord if you're giving him wrong advice :-\
18:32<boomboom>is there a different syntax for gnome or xfce? could i do, say, exec startxfce?
18:32<lupine>hmm, I've never heard of .xsession before
18:32<gravity>boomboom: I don't know what the xfce command is, but for gnome it's gnome-session
18:32<tcsetattr>you can copy /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and edit that
18:32<boomboom>and can i have strings for both in the config file?
18:33<boomboom>like exec startkde and exec gnome-session?
18:33<gravity>lupine: In Debian, ~/.xinitrc only works if you run startx. ~/.xsession runs if you use a session manager or startx. So you almost always want ~/.xsession
18:33<lupine>gravity: in this case, it sounds like .xinitrc is more suitable, then
18:33<gravity>boomboom: No, you only do one. It's not a config file. It's a shell script that gets executed.
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18:33<tcsetattr>oh the default xinitrc cleverly hands off to the default xsession
18:33<boomboom>thank you
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18:33<gravity>lupine: Why?
18:33<witte>grr, still not able to get the intel 915G working in dual head, according to the website for the driver i should look at teh option monitorlayout function, but i think i did, but still no avail
18:34<lupine>because he wants to load a particular desktop when running startz
18:34<lupine>erm, startx
18:34<lupine>I doubt he wants that custom desktop to show up when the session manager runs kde
18:34<gravity>lupine: Whether he chooses .xsession or .xinitrc doesn't matter for that specific problem.
18:34<tcsetattr>it is also possible to specify a client on the startx command line...
18:34<stoned>gravity: I got the soruce for xorg-driver-avivo and um... wow.
18:35<gravity>lupine: That only happens when the *dm runs the "default" session. If he chooses kde, it won't execute ~/.xsession
18:35<stoned>gravity: I've never attempted device driver coding before
18:35<witte>my files: here are my current Xorg.0.log, my xorg.conf and lspci: ;
18:35<witte> ;
18:36<lupine>ah, fair enough; that's not exactly what you said at first :).
18:36<gravity>stoned: I haven't looked at avivo, but I guess I'm just used to looking at such things by now
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18:36<gravity>stoned: It should be fairly straight forward though.
18:36<gravity>At least in some areas
18:36<stoned>gravity: it is, but something new for me to elarn
18:36<witte>I also tried grandr (error "user set screen size larger than max screen size" when putting two screens next to each other)
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18:41<witte>ah, and I also tried the 915resolution package, but i am not really sure what to do with it...
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18:48<daft>Hi, im using wpa_supplicant roaming mode. but when the conncection is up the mapper has no interface. ifup =home instead of ifup eth2=home. and its going to dhclient all my connections
18:49<daft>does some one know how to fix/solve that
18:49<sadseh>ive got a much more basic problem--i cant mount half of the drives on my comp :(
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18:50<sadseh>is anyone here?
18:50<azeem>!doesn't work
18:50<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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18:52<sadseh>well...would it be possible for someone to help me out? i just did a fresh install and cant mount half of my partitions
18:52<sadseh>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
18:52<sadseh>process 3150: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
18:52<sadseh>error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable
18:52<sadseh>error: could not execute pmount
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18:53<azeem>sadseh: ok, how are you trying to mount them, and what is the error message?
18:53<azeem>sadseh: pmount is not for that
18:53<azeem>sadseh: add those to /etc/fstab if you want to have them mounted
18:53<sadseh>well i tried doing mount /dev/hda1
18:53<sadseh>it doesnt detect a drive
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18:53<sadseh>mount /dev/hda1
18:53<sadseh>mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
18:54<Kelpie-VMW>Alright. I am having a little problem and I'm a little irritated with my problem.
18:54<azeem>that doesn't talk about detection
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18:54<azeem>01:52 < azeem> sadseh: add those to /etc/fstab if you want to have them mounted
18:54<azeem>it does talk exactly about this
18:54<Kelpie-VMW>I hope that coming in at the right time I will get help.
18:54<sadseh>oh how do i that?
18:54<azeem>you'd edit /etc/fstab
18:54<sadseh>i would think the setup would do that for me...
18:54<Kelpie-VMW>I have been trying to find a linux distro to place onto my USB drive.
18:55<Kelpie-VMW>The unfortunate thing is that every single one I try to use runs into some kind of error.
18:55<Kelpie-VMW>And I happen to like debian but I'm having troubles with dd
18:55<sadseh>azeem, so i just type into fstab all the drive names?
18:55<azeem>read the documentation
18:55<azeem>man fstab
18:55<Kelpie-VMW>Maybe I'm not understanding it, especially under this amount of frusteration that has built up due to failure.
18:56<sadseh>ah ok
18:56<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: trouble with dd the tool to copy stuff?
18:56<Kelpie-VMW>I don't see where it is going
18:56<azeem>what do you mean with that?
18:56<Kelpie-VMW>My USB drive shows there are 0 files on it, but it says it's copied onto it
18:57<azeem>and command did you run?
18:57<azeem>eh, what command did you run?
18:57<Kelpie-VMW>And before I rebooted, it worked just jiffy in VMWare to be detected, but now UBuntu is being the usual pain in the ass.
18:57<Kelpie-VMW>dd if=debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-USB.IMG of=../../sdb
18:57<Kelpie-VMW>dd if=debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-USB.IMG of=../../sdb1
18:58<Kelpie-VMW>well sdb1 said it's a directory
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18:58<Kelpie-VMW>I think
18:58<Kelpie-VMW>And the other one worked fine.
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18:58<Kelpie-VMW>But now that I rebooted, Ubuntu is being a pain in the ass to detect and mount... And not using Linux for a year has failed my memory.
18:59<azeem>did you try to loop-mount the IMG before?
18:59<witte>ok, grandr is giving the following error: "user set screen width 1280, larger than max screen width 1600, set to max width"
18:59<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: and what does this have to do with Ubuntu?
18:59<Kelpie-VMW>The wikipedia is confusing.
18:59<witte>I think i give up for now, and will have a look at it again later
18:59<tcsetattr>1280 is larger than 1600? I love learning new things on IRC!
18:59<Kelpie-VMW>I installed UBuntu under VMWare because Debian under VMWare was being screwy for some reason
18:59<witte>tcsetattr: yes, grandr is saying this
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19:00<Kelpie-VMW>I think there is VMWare version of debian, but I can't be assed to wait awhile while it's being downloaded
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19:00<Kelpie-VMW>Because the other one gave me an error with the X server
19:00<dondelelcaro>there isn't, beacuse that kind of obviates the point
19:00<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: so you are trying to boot from the usb-stick?
19:00<witte>tcsetattr: a long time ago i learned differntly, but times are changing ;-)
19:00<Kelpie-VMW>No, I haven't even got that far.
19:00<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: what's the problem then?
19:00<dondelelcaro>in some cases the VMware specific device drivers are needed, and for the most part they exist
19:01<Kelpie-VMW>I'm thinking small here since I have had so many errors with DSL, PDL, and I don't want to try Ubuntu... Sad last resort it is.
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19:01<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: what's the problem then?
19:01<Kelpie-VMW>A. My USB drive can't be detected now B. what the hell am I doing wrong with dd?
19:02<azeem>whas is "now"?
19:02<azeem>did it work earlier?
19:02<azeem>and in what system is it not being detected?
19:02<witte>ok, I am tired of all those X-errors that don't make sense to me. Thanks everyone that helped :-)
19:02<Kelpie-VMW>Oh it detects fine in WIndows... BUt Ubuntu is being screwy. Let me get the error
19:02<tcsetattr>why are you addressing the device as ../../sdb? is there some reason you do'nt just say /dev/sdb?
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19:02<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: ok, so it's an ubuntu problem?
19:03<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: you should ask in #ubuntu on freenode then
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19:03<Kelpie-VMW>Because I haven't used Linux in a year and I am not doing myself a favor by being cluesless about what ../../sdb means when I know damn well what it means... Or used to.
19:04<Kelpie-VMW>But thanks for the correction, tcsetattr .
19:04<Kelpie-VMW>azeem: I hate freenode. Aren't I picky?
19:04<azeem> ../../sdb is a valid path name, so in case you meant something like [...]/sdb, that wasn't clear at all
19:04<Kelpie-VMW>The error when I skimmed through looked simple.
19:04<tcsetattr>so you're just running commands that someone told you without understanding them? that's bad.
19:04<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: that's not our problem
19:05<Kelpie-VMW>Wanna see the error I got for debian then?
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19:05<Kelpie-VMW>I am begining to hate errors like I hate raman noodles now.
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19:05<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: if you want any help, you better start quoting error messages, fast
19:05<Kelpie-VMW>Sorry, I'm just a bit frusterated.
19:05<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
19:05<Kelpie-VMW>It's an image.
19:05<tcsetattr>you'd have to be 2 levels deep under /dev to have any reasonable chance of ../../sdb being a device
19:06<Kelpie-VMW>I'm not quoteing a long ass error message.
19:06<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: are you running debian or not?
19:06<Kelpie-VMW>Nope. BUt it doesn't matter because the terminal has nothing to do with what OS is what.
19:07<Kelpie-VMW>I hate ubuntu
19:07<Kelpie-VMW>How do you think I feel
19:07<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: this channel is for Debian support
19:07<Kelpie-VMW>ANd I'm installing Debian onto a USB drive.
19:07<piper>sdb7 reiserfs
19:07<Kelpie-VMW>So does it matter what OS I'm currently using?
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19:07<piper>what kernel you running
19:07<azeem>Kelpie-VMW: you seem to be having issues with your OS in order to install Debian
19:08<azeem>we can't fix those issues for you
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19:08<azeem>we can help you as soon as you boot Debian
19:08<grownler>How I can install microsoft's fonts in Debian... like Arial and Times New Roman... please... some tip?
19:09<sadseh>azeem, what does it mean when you try to mount something and it gives you this
19:09<Kelpie-VMW>K, lemme see what I can do with a confliction of my USB drive used to being /sdb and now is called /sdc for some amazing reason.
19:09<sadseh>[mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad
19:09<sadseh>[mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
19:09<azeem>sadseh: you didn't correctly edit fstab
19:10<sadseh>but heres what it says: /dev/hda1 /mnt/Windows auto user 0 2
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19:10<sadseh>how is that wrong?
19:11<piper>sadseh: ntfs or fat32
19:11<tcsetattr>is that line 1? or the final line?
19:11<uberspaced>does anybody know of some good documentation for setting up kerberos and ssh?
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19:11<sadseh>its ntfs
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19:11<sadseh>but i should still be able to access it as readonly, no?
19:11<grownler>uberspaced: what is kerberos... ? and in what language you want docs for ssh?
19:11<sadseh>tttr, thats the final line
19:11<uberspaced>i have two boxes running etch, both can use kerberos passwords to authenticate but automatic authentiaction doesn't happen even if I have a valid ticket
19:12<tcsetattr>so it has no final newline. shoot your editor in the head and try another one.
19:12<sadseh>whats a final newline?
19:12<sadseh>sorry im a total noob at this :(
19:12<uberspaced>grownler, t is kerberos?!
19:12<tcsetattr>the newline is the character that marks the end of a line in a text file. your crappy editor didn't put one on the end of the last line.
19:12<uberspaced>kerberos is a centralized authentication system designed for project athena
19:12<uberspaced>it's really nifty
19:13<sadseh>oh i just used openoffice writer
19:13<piper>try /media/hda1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8 00 should work fine unless stable handles fstab different
19:13<grownler>sadseh: try: sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
19:13<grownler>and in the final line press a Enter... to create a new line... later save the file
19:13<sadseh>can i type it in manually?
19:13<sadseh>wow two completely different things i should type in
19:13<grownler>don't use nano if you're a noob... use kwrite
19:14<grownler>right is: kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
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19:14<sadseh>i remember using sudo when i tried installing gentoo way back when
19:14<sadseh>didnt work well
19:14<grownler>if you use kde, shure... but if you use gnome, you should use gedit
19:14<grownler>like that: gksu gedit /etc/fstab
19:14<sadseh>yeah im still in gnome
19:14<sadseh>just finished a fresh install
19:15<grownler>try this: gksu gedit /etc/fstab
19:15<grownler>it will work fine
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19:15<grownler>add a newline at the end of file
19:16<sadseh>wait /media/hda1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8 00 isnt working
19:16<grownler>or... add the line that piper recommends for you... replacing the old
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19:16<sadseh>mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
19:16<sadseh>should i make media into dev?
19:17<sadseh>"media" into "dev", that is
19:17<piper>does etch use mnt still or does it now use media ?
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19:17<sadseh>i dunno, it does a whole different thing
19:17<grownler>sadseh isn't good for noobs edit fstab... you should try a frontend to do this... because to study the fstab syntax you'll take a long time to understand
19:17<lupine>what's hard about the fstab syntax?
19:18<grownler>for noobs... not for experts lupine
19:18<sadseh>grownler, which is why i expected the setup to edit the fstab by itself
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19:18<lupine>even for noobs?
19:18<piper>lupine: for a newer user it can be hell
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19:18<blackbelt>hola a todos
19:18<sadseh>when i click on the computer thing, it gives me a list of all my partitions
19:18<grownler>blackbelt: hola
19:18<sadseh>i try to double click on them, and only some open up
19:18[~]lupine remembers his first linux install... RH6. fstab was pretty easy then, and it hasn't changed much since
19:18<sadseh>the others give me like 4 lines of errors that i pasted earlier
19:19<blackbelt>can yo help with 2 scripts
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19:19<grownler>in Kubuntu I saw a frontend to fstab... but, I didn't remenber the name...
19:19<lupine>well. UUID= is a bit of a PITA
19:19<piper>what is easy for some is not for others
19:19<grownler>but he uses debian with gnome...
19:19<piper>UUID is cake
19:19<lupine>not something you can easily memorise though ;)
19:19<piper>about 5 minutes
19:20<blackbelt>hi evrybody i am adolfo i need some little help whith 2 scripts in debian
19:20<piper>use a newer kernel and learn :)
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19:20<sadseh>gaah im so lost :(
19:20<grownler>sadseh: What is the problem
19:20<sadseh>i cant mount hda1
19:20<lupine>e.g. "e372d1ce-5154-42c1-92af-2dbba2855c41" is not something you can memorise with any confidence
19:21<lupine>my LVM partitions don't have links in /dev/disks/by-uuid ?
19:21<grownler>I'm here just now, I didn't see your message's problems...
19:21<grownler>and it is Windows?
19:21<piper>well if you don't format a partition or build a iso on another no need to memorize
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19:21<sadseh>well its not just hda1 i cant mount
19:21<grownler>but we have to know the fylesystem
19:21<sadseh>but yes lets say its just that one and i can prolly replicate the process for the others
19:21<lupine>or by-path, or by-id
19:21<sadseh>yes, its ntfs windows partition
19:21<piper>also no more hda all sda now
19:22<grownler>piper... generally the debian installer adds the lines for your windows in fstab
19:22<grownler>and you don't need do that...
19:22<piper>running Linux 2.6.23-rc3-git10-slh-smp-1 i686
19:22<grownler>wait a minute
19:22<lupine>2.6.22 still passes out hd*
19:23<sadseh> not following
19:23<piper>lupine: hmm,
19:23<grownler>what is your original fstab's content?
19:23<grownler>you can send it for us?
19:24<sadseh>yeah, just tell me how to use that paster script thing
19:24<grownler>generally some editors make backup
19:24<sadseh>i went to the lisp one or whatever but #debian isnt there
19:24<grownler>like that: fstab~
19:24<grownler>at the same directory
19:24<grownler>in this case: /etc/fstab
19:24<sadseh>should i just pm it to you?
19:25<piper>lupine: If you are using a kernel > 2.6.20, all /dev/hd*s will appear as /dev/sd*s. This is a result of Linux using the libATA drivers for PATA as well as SATA from now on
19:25<lupine>piper: except it isn't happening for my PATA drive
19:25<grownler>but it is only for sata, right?
19:25<grownler>and PATA
19:25<lupine>PATA == IDE?
19:26<grownler>I don't know
19:26<piper>lupine:debian must do something with udev rules then i presume
19:26<grownler>but he should use sda only if he has scsi
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19:27<grownler>hey.. I god a idea for him
19:27<grownler>enter with:
19:27<piper>no, not just for sata
19:28<piper>debian default has very old kernel
19:28<sadseh>grownler, you get all that?
19:28<grownler>sudo fdisk -l
19:28<grownler>and send the answer for us
19:29<lupine>piper: dmesg reports it as hda
19:29<lupine>and 2.6.18 isn't exactly olf
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19:29<piper>2.6.22 is the norm, most distros use, i myself run 23 rc3
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19:31<piper>when lenny becomes "stable" alot of people will be lost do to UUID & libATA which is the norm
19:32<lupine>hmm. uuid= doesn't work with LVM?
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19:32<piper>you can use label
19:32<BoBoB>how install iptables-devel
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19:33<eliteforce>hello, i just upgraded to etch and now i'm having a strange ssh login delay
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19:34<lupine>hrm. /dev/mapper/main-home is descriptive enough for me, I think :D
19:34<eliteforce>i'm using the pubkey method. after "using username xyz." it hangs about 25 seconds. after that it asks for the password
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19:34<BoBoB>how install iptables-devel
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19:35<lupine>BoBoB: package iptables-dev probably
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19:35<lupine>"development files for iptable's libipq and libiptc" ?
19:36<daftest>Whaaa I found a bug in wpa_supplicant and i fixed it
19:36<daftest>I finaly can contrubute some thing to this opensource world
19:36<BoBoB>txs lupine
19:36<daftest>yea quite anoying one
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19:38<grownler>piper I solved the problem with sadseh
19:38<daftest>crap. on my sid system is it solved
19:38<piper>uuid & lvm works just fine it won't recognize or deal correctly with two drives where any of the uuids are identical
19:38<piper>grownler: cool :)
19:39<eliteforce>i'm really wondering what causes this delay
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19:39<piper>to change or see what uuid is just run ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
19:39<lupine>piper: I know :). only the PVs are present in that list
19:39<piper>we run it fine in sidux
19:40<lupine>this is lenny
19:40<lupine>meh, I hate uuids anyway :D
19:40<piper>well, i ran lenny, no comparison ;)
19:42<piper>it wouldn't be bad if you had to use it and a different (higher) kernel, stable will get there one day (not a mock of stable, i am a diehard debianhead) i just prefer sid anyday
19:43<ricardo>anyone have a HowTo to install broadcom wireless drivers?
19:43<lupine>ricardo: they should already be present in the kernel; you just have to copy the firmware to /lib/firmware
19:44<ricardo>Thank you =D
19:44<lupine>grab the windows drivers and install bcm43xx-fwcutter, and you're away
19:44<lupine>or, you know, illegally download the pre-cut firmware files from some random internet site
19:45<piper>arent they in a non-free repo in stable or no
19:45<lupine>it's illegal to redistribute the firmware
19:46<BoBoB> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:46<BoBoB>what rezolv this error :( ?
19:47<piper>brb have to test another driver
19:47<lupine>BoBoB: you need to install linpcre, I presumer
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19:47<lupine>version 0?
19:47<BoBoB>how install linpcre
19:48<lupine>eh. doesn't seem to exist in debian
19:48<BoBoB>apt-get install linpcre-dev
19:48<lupine>what piece of software are you trying to run?
19:48<lupine> exists, but that'll be ABI-incompatible
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19:49<lupine>never heard of it. binary-only?
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19:50<lupine>hmm. google knows all. you might want to recompile it against libpcre version 3; or you could try the statically-compiled binary?
19:52<lupine>hmm. it needs libnet1.0.x as well (lenny, at least, has 1.1.x)
19:52<eliteforce>i just debugged sshd and it's stuck after userauth-request for user ... attempt 0 failures 0, after the delay it says "failed none for <user> from <ip> port 1109 ssh2" O_o
19:53<ricardo>Ou, i have updated my compiz files, now my compiz come whitout broder decoration, how can i get the border again?
19:53<ricardo>*cri* *cri*
19:54<rhoruns>hey, does anyone know a good semi-compact server distro?
19:54<rhoruns>i need a distro for my file server, and one for a game server
19:54<rhoruns>but the game server will only move user/chat/account data.
19:55<lupine>rhoruns: start with a base install of etch, install what you need
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19:55<lupine>debian stable
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19:55<lupine>you could go with the hardened version, ftw
19:55<rhoruns>so debian is a good server distro?
19:56<gravity>rhoruns: It's very widely considered to be so, yes
19:56<rhoruns>i'm sorry for asking that in a debian channel, lol. but i dont know of any general 'nix channels
19:56<rhoruns>ok, thank you very much :)
19:57<rhoruns>so, it will run just fine on a 600mhz celeron? lol
19:57<lupine>it'll run like the clappers
19:57<lupine>well. I'm assuming you don't need X?
19:57<rhoruns>is X the GUI?
19:57<piper>clappers :) lol
19:57<rhoruns>im sorry, i've never used debian :D
19:58<lupine>the X windowing system is, well, the windowing system :)
19:58<rhoruns>i'm not a master of the commandline yet though.. will that be a problem without a GUI?
19:58<lupine>not particularly; you'll just need to learn the command line
19:59<lupine>at least it gives you an incentive :)
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19:59<rhoruns>anyone heard of PvPGN?
19:59<BoBoB>lupine and libnet1.0.x ?
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19:59<rhoruns>it's a really nice server emulator
20:00<BoBoB>is not on debian ?
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20:00<BoBoB>how install ?
20:00<BoBoB>apt-get install ?
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20:01<BoBoB>libnet0-dev :P
20:01<BoBoB>it`s good txs :P
20:01<ricardo>Cya, Gl
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20:02<BoBoB>omg :((
20:02<BoBoB>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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20:02<BoBoB>this error :((
20:02<BoBoB>how put ?
20:03<blarson>rhoruns: memory probably matters more for a gui than cpu speed. X would be fine on a 600mhz celron with 256 megs of memory, unless you use an overweight window manager like kde or gnome.
20:03<rhoruns>oh ok
20:03<BoBoB>how put ?
20:03<rhoruns>well, GUI is not an issue, to be honest. i probably won't even use a monitor when running the actual server
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20:03<dbldtx>BoBoB; go to server and ask #debian; they share your disposition
20:04<rhoruns>could i just use X for configuring the server, and just kill it when i'm running the server?
20:05<gravity>Yes, you could, but why bother?
20:05<rhoruns>because i'm a noob
20:05<gravity>ssh in
20:06<rhoruns>i dont know how to use SSH yet
20:06<gravity>You'll have a GUI on your local machine for web browsing and whatnot
20:06<eliteforce>dbldtx: hehehe.
20:06<gravity>I don't think you should really be running a server without knowing the command line at all
20:06<gravity>But that's me
20:06<rhoruns>it's a very simple server
20:07<rhoruns>there's only like, 8 commands
20:07<gravity>Well, it's up to you
20:07<rhoruns>okie dokie :)
20:07<gravity>It's your server. Do what you want.
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20:07<eliteforce>looks like Putty makes userauth-request none before the pubkey request. does anyone know how to disable that?
20:09<eliteforce>does anyone here run openssh-server 4.3p2-9 and connects with putty to it?
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20:11<Kelpie-VMW>Anybody willing to help out on an error that occurs in Ubuntu since nobody can in the official ubuntu channel? I think the ratio from people who know something to people who need help is like 1:20-afk people.
20:12<Kelpie-VMW>I'm begging, this isn't normal.
20:12<Kelpie-VMW>I don't beg.
20:12<litage|w>eliteforce, Kelpie-VMW: don't ask for help. just ask your question. if someone is knowledgable regarding your question, they will answer
20:12<Kelpie-VMW>I don't like your eggdroppyness.
20:12<gravity>Kelpie-VMW: Don't be an ass
20:12<Kelpie-VMW>I am not being an ass.
20:12<Kelpie-VMW>I thought it was an eggdrop.
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20:12<gravity>Kelpie-VMW: He was giving you good advice. Take it or leave it.
20:13<Kelpie-VMW>I thought it was an eggdrop!!
20:13<Kelpie-VMW>And plus I added ness. Meaning it wasn't anything to do with being an ass.
20:13<litage|w>Kelpie-VMW: you should still heed my advice even if i was an eggdrop
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20:13<Kelpie-VMW>Question, explanation on there.
20:13<boomboom>it worked
20:13<boomboom>thank you
20:14<eliteforce>litage|w: well i was actually asking a question :P
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>I think I type faster than VMWare can handle.
20:14<chealer>!tell Kelpie-VMW about ubuntu
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>No wei.
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>I tried that route.
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>EVerybody in there needs help.
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>Not everybody in there can help
20:14<Kelpie-VMW>#debian has smart people.
20:14<litage|w>Kelpie-VMW: do you understand why #debian is averse to helping ubuntu users?
20:15<Kelpie-VMW>Because Ubuntu sucks and so does the users
20:15<litage|w>Kelpie-VMW: no
20:15<lupine>if ubuntu sucks, why do you use it?
20:15<Kelpie-VMW>SOrry, I'm being the irritable person
20:15<Kelpie-VMW>this is the first step to my problem
20:15<boomboom>i agree kelpie
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20:15<litage|w>!tell Kelpie-VMW about ubuntu
20:15<boomboom>ubuntu is crap!
20:15<Kelpie-VMW>I have gone through a lot of crap to get to even this far.
20:15<boomboom>lets all use etch
20:16<Kelpie-VMW>I am trying attempt to install debian on the USB drive that isn't being detected
20:16<boomboom>like gangstas
20:16<litage|w>Kelpie-VMW: have you checked the output from dmesg?
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20:16<Kelpie-VMW>...Anymore anyways.
20:16<Kelpie-VMW>No, I'm clueless since I haven't used linux in a year.
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20:16<lupine>Kelpie-VMW: as in, the BIOS refuses to boot from the USB drive? Or as in, your existing debian install can't see the USB drive?
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20:17<boomboom>i have an idea
20:17<lupine>s/debian/ubuntu/ where appropriate
20:17<boomboom>dont install it on a usb drive
20:17<litage|w>Kelpie-VMW: lines 7 and 17 of your paste tell you exactly what to do
20:17<Kelpie-VMW>I use WIndows for things like Fruity Loops Studio
20:17<boomboom>have you tried other distros besides ubuntu
20:17<Kelpie-VMW>That was fun.
20:17<Kelpie-VMW>Vector Linux.
20:17<Kelpie-VMW>A long time ago.
20:17<Kelpie-VMW>DO NOT UPDATE
20:17<boomboom>i always wanted to try that
20:18<boomboom>did they make a PPC version?
20:18<Kelpie-VMW>It was screwy!
20:18<eliteforce>lawl this can't get worse can it
20:18<boomboom>i have debian on both 686 and ppc
20:18<Kelpie-VMW>I updated and it fucked up pixmap and everything
20:18<boomboom>what about knoppix or mandrake?
20:18<boomboom>those are nice distros
20:18<Kelpie-VMW>NO idea.
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20:18<boomboom>suse is alright, imo
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20:19<boomboom>have you considered using linux for your audio needs?
20:19<Kelpie-VMW>I actually tried debian a year ago because I was suffering irritability from the use of WIn98 being retarded for way too long and I did not know much about linux.
20:19<boomboom>i moved from using pro tools on mac os to using ardour
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20:19<Kelpie-VMW>Plus that was when I had a 400mhz PII machine.
20:19<Kelpie-VMW>SO yeah.
20:19<boomboom>hydrogen is pretty good, pretty fruitloops-ish imo
20:19<Kelpie-VMW>BUt that's mac os.
20:19<boomboom>mac os 9
20:19<boomboom>this was awhile back
20:19<Kelpie-VMW>Mac OS is an abortion of UNix.
20:19<boomboom>aw, come on
20:19<Kelpie-VMW>IT is.
20:19<boomboom>classic mac os wasn't so bad
20:20<boomboom>i dont use os x
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>They made /usr/* root
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>It runs as root
20:20<boomboom>os x is crap
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>Okay on OS X
20:20<boomboom>at least someone agrees with me!
20:20<boomboom>i'm sick of the os x worship
20:20<boomboom>it's crap!
20:20<boomboom>i mean coreaudio is simple
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>BUt I still wouldn't use an APple product even if I had to to survive
20:20<boomboom>it's such a simple os that it just annoys me
20:20<boomboom>theyve bastardized the whole home studio thing
20:20<boomboom>with their crap garageband
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>My boyfriend used a local apache exploit on a Macbook in an APple store.
20:20<Kelpie-VMW>It caused a buffer overflow.
20:21<boomboom>honestly, ardour is just as good as pro tools imo
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>It made this weird noise like it was dying
20:21<boomboom>i cant praise ardour enough
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>I use a lot of windows stuff though
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>BUt don't get me wrong
20:21<boomboom>if you use stuff like cubase windows is cool
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>I use open source stuff since my year of ubuntu
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20:21<Kelpie-VMW>I use Fruity Loops Studio.
20:21<boomboom>ubuntu seems so noob geared, though
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>I use Audacity
20:21<Kelpie-VMW>I thought UBuntu 5.10 was nice.
20:21<boomboom>i'm not this linux expert, but i feel i'm above the average ubuntu user
20:22<Kelpie-VMW>I actually had to do a netinstall of 5.04 until the CDs arrived.
20:22<boomboom>hell, i was in here earlier asking about starting kde using the startx command
20:22<boomboom>i do like the netinstall debian discs
20:22<boomboom>i'm stuck in gnome
20:22<boomboom>i prefer gnome if i'm doing audio
20:22<boomboom>kde is kinda screwy with the whole JACK thing
20:22<Kelpie-VMW>I do too... I was going to install debian onto a partition but I didn't want anything to go screwy on me.
20:23<boomboom>when i do a netinstall of debian
20:23<boomboom>i do the barebones
20:23<Kelpie-VMW>It was going to be installed on a partiton on another harddrive which is different
20:23<boomboom>and apt-get kde
20:23<Kelpie-VMW>IDE harddrive
20:23<Kelpie-VMW>And I use WIndows XP 64bit on a SATA harddrive
20:23<boomboom>i do all my audio on a 450mhz g3 ppc
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20:23<boomboom>which sounds nuts
20:23<boomboom>but i like it
20:23<boomboom>i know
20:23<boomboom>but it works better than you'd think!
20:23<boomboom>it really does
20:24<Kelpie-VMW>I always used to say my PII 400mhz could own any celeron/emachine PC
20:24<boomboom>hydrogen runs great
20:24<boomboom>emachines are famous for being crap, though
20:24<boomboom>my roommate has had 2 die on him
20:24<Kelpie-VMW>they're cheaply made
20:24<Kelpie-VMW>thats why
20:24<boomboom>they're crap
20:24<boomboom>they really are
20:24<boomboom>but if i'm using the net and listening to mp3s, i use KDE
20:25<boomboom>amarok and konqueror
20:25<boomboom>but audio is stricly gnome
20:25<boomboom>or blackbox
20:25<boomboom>since blackbox uses not much memorhy
20:25<boomboom>hold on a second
20:25<boomboom>i'm drinking liqour
20:25<chealer>boomboom / Kelpie-VMW : if you don't have something related to Debian support to write, please stay quiet.
20:25<dondelelcaro>why even use a DE?
20:26<boomboom>y'know were just having a conversation
20:26<boomboom>no need to be such a douchebag
20:26<Kelpie-VMW>I just remembered that someone who used a mac said that UBuntu couldn't even run on a 400mhz PII with 384mb of RAM. It pissed me off.
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20:26<chealer>boomboom: if you're having a conversation, use private messages.
20:26<boomboom>and hows this affecting you?
20:26<sigp239>when does .22 go into testing?
20:26<boomboom>if someone came in with a question i'd glady stfu
20:27<boomboom>dont be such a nazi
20:27<Kelpie-VMW>I'll refrain from commenting my own comment
20:27<Kelpie-VMW>due to frusteration influencing my comment.
20:27<prahal>oups goldwin law
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20:27<boomboom>ill be quiet
20:27<chealer>boomboom: for one thing, it takes me more time to follow the channel.
20:27<Kelpie-VMW>It would be worse than boomboom's comment.
20:28<dondelelcaro>well, it's never necessary. it's always a choice at some level
20:28<Kelpie-VMW>You should take a look at the official ubuntu channel... I could win a prize if I could keep up.
20:28<chealer>sigp239: probably not before linux-modules-extra-2.6 is fixed.
20:28<Kelpie-VMW>So many questions and not very many answers.
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20:29<boomboom>kelpie, if you want to discuss linux audio, my aol instant messenger handle is soggybarfbag, i should be on a little later
20:29<boomboom>i'm out!
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20:29<sigp239>chealer: what is modules extra? when would it get fixed?
20:29<Kelpie-VMW>BUt I don't like using anything but gmail and irc.
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20:30<Kelpie-VMW>Omg, I love how irssi actually maximizes greatly in the terminal which is impossible for it to happen in putty.
20:30<Kelpie-VMW>Besides the fact that it is on a server...
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20:33<chealer>sigp239: when one a maintainer gets a bit of time
20:33[~]piper is using 2.6.23-rc3-git10-slh-smp-1 :)
20:33<piper>no problems at all
20:33<Kelpie-VMW>Man, I wish Ubuntu would work just perfectly so I can have something to say about my journey to install a linux distro onto a USB drive.
20:33<piper>Kelpie-VMW: tried sidux ?
20:34<Kelpie-VMW>Plus the fact that it'd be way better than all those bogged down computers with windows and bullcrap installed on.
20:34<Kelpie-VMW>I didn't even see that in DistroWatch... I don't think.
20:34<piper>works great for USB and laptops
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20:35<piper>sorry that is a no-no here
20:35<piper>well, i respect
20:35<Kelpie-VMW>I forgot I'm not using mIRC so I can't click on the link, drats.
20:35<Kelpie-VMW>But like I said: I've tried DSL, Pendrive Linux, and debian so far.
20:36<Kelpie-VMW>I'm hoping I'm not going to be narrowing down all the way to Ubuntu for USB usage.
20:36<Feistyfreak>so.... where is Debian at these days everybody?
20:36<piper>Kelpie-VMW: sorry i was testing stuff on other machine, computer has to be a i686 :(
20:36<Kelpie-VMW>WHy's that, piper?
20:37<Feistyfreak>I stopped using it about a year ago and at the time people were speculating that debian was going to fall apart.... what happened afterall?
20:37<piper>just the way it is built, bleeding edge
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20:37<Kelpie-VMW>lol it started working great again, Feistyfreak.
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20:37<Feistyfreak>I kind of still use it as I use Ubuntu.
20:37<Feistyfreak>no, I don't mean the OS - :P I mean the core devs
20:37<LOKO3POKO>boa noite a todos
20:37<piper>Feistyfreak: debian is doing just fine
20:37<Kelpie-VMW>I remember that etch was so buggy and everybody was complaining and some people who used debian came flying to the use of Ubuntu...
20:38<Kelpie-VMW>It was sad.
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20:38<chealer>Feistyfreak: uh, people are speculating that Debian is going to fall apart since it was created. another version was released.
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20:38<sigp239>chealer: yea but is there a general time frame or is it unknown?
20:38<piper>no comment on ub, i wouldn't let my worst enemy install it
20:38<Feistyfreak>nahh... I just switched to Ubuntu because I felt it was a bit stronger as a desktop and laptop distro..... I view Debian as a great OS distro, and a great desktop distro - IF you know what you're doing
20:39<Feistyfreak>and frankly, at the time.... I didn't
20:39<gravity>sigp239: Another year or so
20:39<chealer>sigp239: what do you mean? whether someone estimated the time it could take?
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20:39<sigp239>chealer: ack i'm not looking for a precise answer....just a general timeframe...
20:40<sigp239>maybe it's too hard to say
20:40<sigp239>if so, oh well
20:40<Kelpie-VMW>Sweet, it's debian based. I hate slackware based. I think any OS that is debian based is superb. <3 for debian.
20:40<gravity>Feistyfreak: How is Debian so hard these days for the desktop user?
20:40<Kelpie-VMW>I can't live without my apt-get.
20:40<gravity>... trying to get back on topic
20:40<chealer>sigp239: like, how much time *i* think it could take?
20:40<piper>Kelpie-VMW: apt-get is where it's at :)
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20:40<sigp239>chealer: yea sure.
20:40<Feistyfreak>it was hard(er) than Ubuntu at least at the time
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20:41<Kelpie-VMW>Screw that, I had troubles trying the manual install for Gentoo. Gentoo is funner to deal with!
20:41<chealer>sigp239: maybe a month
20:41<gravity>Feistyfreak: How?
20:41<Feistyfreak>for example, Ubuntu on my Dell laptop just worked
20:41<lupine>Debian isn't as good as ubuntu on the laptop, t'is true
20:41<Kelpie-VMW>I accidently misstyped something in the command and it ended up unpacking everything over and over again.
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20:41<gravity>Feistyfreak: How did Debian not work?
20:41<lupine>on the desktop, debian is easily ubuntu's equal
20:41<boomboom>hi gravity
20:41<boomboom>and lupine
20:42<Kelpie-VMW>I didn't realize it was unpacking everything until I could see straight.
20:42<lupine>gentoo is scary
20:42<Kelpie-VMW>I was tired.
20:42<Feistyfreak>well, for example getting integrated wifi going was more of a chore with Debian at the time
20:42<Kelpie-VMW>And staring at a never ending unpacking for 30 mins made everything appear to be oozing downwards.
20:42<gravity>Feistyfreak: What did you have to do for Debian?
20:42<Feistyfreak>where Debian required you to set it all up, Ubuntu just automatically did the whole thing
20:43<boomboom>i want you guys to know that i have the coolest cat in the universe
20:43<lupine>no, you don't
20:43<gravity>Feistyfreak: Wireless should get set up for anything that has free drivers in the archive automatically for a debian install
20:43<Feistyfreak>at the time, it didn't
20:43<Feistyfreak>I'm not talking now
20:43<Feistyfreak>in fact come to think of it, this is longer than a year ago
20:43<gravity>Feistyfreak: What driver do you need for your card?
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20:44<Feistyfreak>I switched the first year of my apartment, so it was 2 and 1/2 years ago
20:44<Kelpie-VMW>I didn't even get to experience linux until I was able to ditch the USB WIreless adapter I had.
20:44<gravity>That was a long time ago
20:44<Kelpie-VMW>a year ago
20:44<gravity>Etch was a big improvement for the desktop stuff
20:44<Kelpie-VMW>two years ago
20:44<Kelpie-VMW>around there
20:44<Feistyfreak>not Etch
20:44<Kelpie-VMW>like 2005 somewhere around there.
20:44<gravity>Feistyfreak: That's not a fair comparison to ubuntu at all
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20:45<gravity>Debian will lose to ubuntu on non-free drivers though. If your card needs those, ubuntu is easier
20:45<Kelpie-VMW>Ubuntu makes everything easy for lazy ass people like me! Except it's being an ass right now!
20:45<Feistyfreak>it was at the time Woody vs. Hoary Hedgehog
20:45<Feistyfreak>Woody wasn't fun.... Hoary was easy
20:45<gravity>Feistyfreak: Debian has had two releases since then
20:45<chealer>gravity: it will only be set up for devices which don't require non-free firmware and which Linux includes a driver for. which means none or so.
20:45<Kelpie-VMW>I had a hoary netinstall until I could get my 5.10 CDs.
20:45<lupine>all the ralink ones for a start
20:45<gravity>chealer: Is the wireless situation so dire?
20:45<gravity>That's horrible
20:45<lupine>and they're pretty coom
20:46<Feistyfreak>of course. Ubuntu has had something like 4.... hence why I came into the irc tonight asking where Debian is at. ;)
20:46<prahal>**** fetchyahoo is broken by said antivirus measures ... as if there could be a virus in an email header ...
20:46<Feistyfreak>seeing where things have gone.. you kno?
20:46<chealer>gravity: yes
20:46<gravity>damn it
20:46<Kelpie-VMW>And even then I am currently using 6.06! I bet that's old, isn't it? I haven't checked out the Ubuntu place in long time.
20:46<lupine>I'd say that at the moment, at least 1/2 of the available wifi cards will work out of the box
20:46<gravity>And I thought the graphics drivers were a problem.
20:47<lupine>the release of 802.11n hardware will probably push that number down again, though
20:47<Feistyfreak>gravity - ATI drivers also were a problem with Debian
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20:47<Kelpie-VMW>I was one of the lucky ones that had no problem with Ubuntu or any Linux distro until I got an upgrade on everything for hardware.
20:47<gravity>Feistyfreak: Fuck fglrx
20:47<Feistyfreak>I wish I could say that
20:47<Feistyfreak>btw - for what it's worth I just upgraded to Feisty the other day
20:47<Feistyfreak>fglrx is giving me hell
20:47<Kelpie-VMW>The first and formost problem that occured was when I had to stick with an onboard video card.
20:47<gravity>I have no pity. I used vesa on my ati card for a year and a half.
20:48<Kelpie-VMW>Ubuntu didn't like it for LIve CD.
20:48<Feistyfreak>it's running, yet not
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20:48<chealer>lupine: all the ralink ones what?
20:48<Feistyfreak>but I intend to use Debian on my server when I get it set back up
20:48<Kelpie-VMW>Have pitty on me! I ran WIn98se for 5 years until I could ditch the Wireless USB Adapter! :o
20:49<Kelpie-VMW>Debian is good for servers.
20:49<Kelpie-VMW>Ubuntu is crap for servers.
20:49<lupine>chealer: all the ralink ones "just work"
20:49<tark>personally i found the solution for the future concerning ATI and myself : i'm never again getting any piece of hardware from them nor bying any laptop shipped with ATI video cards
20:49<chealer>lupine: on Debian?
20:49<rhoruns>if im just going to use my box as a server, should i get the minimal installation ISO?
20:49<Feistyfreak>I've used VESA plenty too. Unfortunately TuxRacer isn't quite as nice.... and I don't know why, but I'm addicted to that retarded game
20:49<Kelpie-VMW>I think so
20:49<prahal>Feistyfreak, ati free drivers 6.6-192 works well if acceleration is set to exa
20:49<chealer>lupine: no. I'm pretty sure all Ralink wireless don't just work on Debian.
20:49<Kelpie-VMW>DOesn't ATI have drivers for Linux? or is that Nvidia?
20:50<Feistyfreak>prahal - thanks for the tip... I'll look into that
20:50<lupine>rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61, rt73 all work fine
20:50<gravity>Well, avivo is in experimental. I'm pretty sure we'll ship it
20:50<Feistyfreak>ATI does - they just suck
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20:50<chealer>lupine: no. Linux doesn't include a driver for these chipsets.
20:50<Feistyfreak>they don't support composite, and they're buggy as hell, and the control panel is held together by rubber bands and ant turds
20:50<piper2>GLX Version 2.0.6747 (8.40.4)
20:51<Feistyfreak>but yes, technically ATI has a linux driver
20:51<Feistyfreak>and it even has an automated setup these days
20:51<Feistyfreak>used to be just RPM's.... fortunately that changed
20:51<Kelpie-VMW>Man, I'm getting caught up in this conversations.
20:51<Kelpie-VMW>Linux turns me on like old hardware turns me on!
20:51<Feistyfreak>that's..... odd
20:52<Kelpie-VMW>Well I'm female.
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20:52<Kelpie-VMW>And this is a sausage fest I bet.
20:52<Feistyfreak>well, I guess if circuit boards do it for you, then life should be good
20:52<piper>oh my :)
20:52<Kelpie-VMW>BUt what I really meant is the nerdy kind of turn on.
20:52<Feistyfreak>oh ok
20:52<piper>good humour
20:52<Kelpie-VMW>I have this cool soundcard that you can put simms in
20:52<Kelpie-VMW>iuts cool!
20:52<gravity>The ati drivers do not turn me on
20:52<hu>When i'm using compiz with mplayer (XV output) the scren glitch, i read its a bug. Is there any fix?
20:52<Kelpie-VMW>It's old too.
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20:53<Feistyfreak>ati drivers not only don't turn me on..... but they turn X off
20:53<lupine>hey. where did they go?
20:53<piper2>we made it very easy in sidux
20:53[~]lupine scratches his head
20:53<Feistyfreak>do I win for corny jokes?
20:53<Kelpie-VMW>I want to collect those harddrives that has the circuitry on the harddrives of today as a expansion card
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20:53<lupine>m-a deals with rt2400, rt2500 & rt2570, it seems
20:53<Kelpie-VMW>lol, Feistyfreak.
20:53<lupine>cripes, that's bad
20:53<chealer>lupine: right. those drivers were never included in Linux.
20:54<Feistyfreak>is Xen standard on Debian now?
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20:54<chealer>Feistyfreak: if by standard you mean installed by default, no.
20:54<Kelpie-VMW>You know, I feel bad for not using Linux for a whole year... BUt my boyfriend hadn't used it for a whole 8 years when I started using it.
20:55<Kelpie-VMW>Linux changes faster than you can say your ABCs
20:55<lupine>speaking of changes, that's a lot of updates
20:55<Feistyfreak>maybe.... but I'm reallllllly fast
20:55<Feistyfreak>at that
20:56<lupine>(6 days, 80MB, several big packages held back)
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20:56<Feistyfreak>Linux updates are a marvel of modern computer science
20:56<Feistyfreak>I'll admit
20:56<lupine>apt rocks
20:56<Feistyfreak>bug updates practically immediately after bug reports
20:56<lupine>ah, a kde update
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20:57<tark>not for module-init-tools in lenny *grin*...
20:57<litage|w>when this lftp command is run from the CLI and finishes mirroring, rather than dropping me back to bash, i'm given the lftp prompt. is there a way to automatically quit lftp and put me back into bash without having to manually type "quit"?: lftp -e 'mirror . mirrorDir/' -u username,password
20:58<lupine>litage|w: add the 'quit' command to your script
20:58<litage|w>lupine: would i just put "; quit" at the end of the arg for -e ?
20:58<lupine>well, I don't know if ; will work; a newline would
20:59<lupine>worth a try, though, I guess
20:59<Kelpie-VMW>I have to go.
20:59<Kelpie-VMW>Because I have school tommorrow.
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20:59<Kelpie-VMW>See ya guys. GOod luck with whatever trouble you have and have a good night, whenever that is!
21:00<lupine>underage b& ? ;)
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21:00<Kelpie-VMW>I just turned 18 last friday.
21:01<litage|w>lupine: thanks for the suggestion. adding "; quit" worked, but "\n quit" didn't =)
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21:01<lupine>righty-ho; /me files that away for future reference
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21:02<sigp239>Is there a 64-bit kernel for my Intel Core 2 Duo ?
21:03<chealer>sigp239: yes
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21:03<sigp239>chealer: Really? I looked on and didn't see anything that says 64 in it
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21:03<lupine>linux-image-<version>-amd64 is what you're after
21:04<sigp239>lupine: why would I use amd64? I don't have an amd.
21:04<lupine>because the intel core2duo chips clone the amd64 instruction set
21:04<chealer>sigp239: ur, there are many packages with 64 in it. you must have looked wrong.
21:05<sigp239>lupine: well if it's the same chipset then why is the package called amd? seems like a bad name.
21:05<lupine>if you want intel architecture 64, you'll be paying an awful lot of money for the chip
21:05<lupine>because the instruction set is called amd64
21:05<lupine>due to amd naming it
21:05<lupine>due to them inventing it
21:05<sigp239>that's hard to believe!
21:05<lupine>amd beat intel to the desktop with 64-bit chips.
21:06<sigp239>so what is the ia64 then?
21:06<sigp239>an instruction set for 64-bit servers?
21:06<lupine>intel's incompatible implementation that's mostly used on servers
21:06<chealer>!tell sigp239 about ia64
21:06<lupine>they haven't produced a single desktop chip with that instruction set, AFAIA
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21:07<sigp239>got it
21:07<sigp239>thanks for the free ejamacation
21:07[~]lupine is a bit of an amd fanboi ;)
21:07<lupine>ever since the K6-2 233MHz, in fact
21:08<sigp239>i'm happy with my Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz with 4GB Crucial Ballistix and a GeForce 8800 GTX
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21:09<lupine>kids these days; don't know they're born :p
21:09<sigp239>does not compute
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21:22[~]Requiem hmms
21:23<Requiem>Are whitepapers always thinly veiled advertisements for a product?
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21:33<Requiem>is there something akin to msconfig I can use to add/remove startup items?
21:34<piper>rcconf works ok
21:34<dondelelcaro>Requiem: generally you just remove the packages that you don't want to start, but otherwise, rm or update-rc.d also works.
21:34<piper>if not installed apt-get install rcconf
21:36<Requiem>that has very little in it
21:37<Requiem>looks like most of what I need is KDE specific too
21:38<Requiem>so I probably need something KDE provides
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21:40<craigevil>sysv-rc-conf is a little easier to use and does a little mor than rcconf
21:41<piper>yup, damn beat me to it
21:42<piper>hey craigevil ;)
21:42<craigevil>lol konq kio-apt search
21:43<piper> or just apt:/ if i remember
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22:02<MrKeuner>hi, I am having frequent freezes. Tried alt+sysrq+{RSUB} etc when frozen but did not work, I cannot see any related messages in /var/log/ folder what can I do? only taint in kernel is because of fglrx but freeze happens when I use ati too. alt+sysrq+{RSUB} works when not frozen
22:02<MrKeuner>using lenovo thinkpad r52 (model 1849)
22:04<tark>MrKeuner etch ?
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22:05<tark>hmm i can't really help you but am having similar pbs with r50e lenny
22:05<tark>haven't figured it out yet
22:06<tark>no fglrx though
22:06<MrKeuner>may it be the wireless driver?
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22:07<MrKeuner>I got no working leases in persistent db - sleeping close to the time of freeze
22:07<MrKeuner>which is not an error message I guess
22:08<tark>ipw2200 here
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22:08<tark>didn't notice no working lease but then again didn't really have my eyes on it
22:09<thomass>someone knows a repo for install virtualbox in lenny?
22:10<tark>MrKeuner thought i might'd been related to sid compiz-fusion packages from though it freezes when compiz-fusion deactivated
22:10<MrKeuner>I do not have compiz-fusion
22:10<tark>good to know
22:11<thomass>piper, but is not for lenny/testing
22:11<thomass>only for etch and sarge
22:11<piper>thomass: and why won't it work ???
22:11<piper>i used it in sid
22:11<piper>many sidux boxes have it works good
22:12<piper>lenny is a "little" behind, i don't see a problem
22:13<MrKeuner>tark sorry I lied, I am using ubuntu feisty
22:13<thomass>ok piper
22:13<tark>MrKeuner checking syslog right now
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22:13<thomass>i'm going to install virtualbox for etch in lenny
22:15<piper>thomass: if you google there are many walkthroughs for it also
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22:16<matapato>o ki 'isso
22:16<tark>MrKeuner i do have ipw2200 firmware errors at freeze approximate time...
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22:16<MrKeuner>tark: can you copy me some of them?
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22:19<tark>hmm not very familiar with syslog debugging yet trying to find revelant parts
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22:23<tark>MrKeuner in fact it doesn't seem ipw200 firmware errors are related to the freeze basing myself on time of error vs time of freeze
22:23<tark>more errors than freeze
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22:25<tark>MrKeuner if it is of any help i can pastebin you the whole syslog file
22:25<tark>maybe you'll be better at diagnosing anything
22:25<MrKeuner>tark: I could have a look yes
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22:27<MrKeuner>tark: thank you very much
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22:28<tark>MrKeuner my pleasure perhaps you can point out to me anything ugly in my system
22:29<tark>you or any one else
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22:30<MrKeuner>tark: which errors were you referring to?
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22:33<tark>MrKeuner sorry syslog was too long for pastebin repasting
22:34<MrKeuner>tark: OK thanks
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22:37<tark>first error @ Aug 28 06:55:25
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22:38<MrKeuner>tark: yes I have those errors, too but not immediately before the freeze
22:38<Adol>does anyone have any idea why the aspect scaling option in nvidia-settings might be greyed out for me, or why setting it with FlatPanelProperties in xorg doesn't seem to work?
22:40<tark>MrKeuner as i said according to number/time of ipw errors number/time of freeze, even though i don't recall exactly all the events, there's very little chance the errors might be related
22:42<MrKeuner>tark: for example i got the freeze tonight but last time I had my firmware error was yesterday
22:42<MrKeuner>tark: on which I did not get any freeze
22:42<MrKeuner>tark: When I freeze I hear a sound from the hard drive like it is parking or something do you hear such noise?
22:43<MrKeuner>seconds after freeze
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22:44<tark>MrKeuner didn't notice i admit but then again maybe didn't pay attention
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22:47<MrKeuner>tark: we have the same hard drive, too
22:48<tark>MrKeuner yesterday the system froze twice in a row at very close intervals in time, three times in the whole day. today i haven't had the pb. freezes have beginning to appear quite recently.
22:48<tark>maybe had 4 or 5 up to now
22:48<MrKeuner>I run my system for long hours and I get freeze every other day or so
22:48<tark>absolutely noresponse from x and no way restarting it
22:49<MrKeuner>yes, sysrq doesn't work either
22:49<tark>unless i hard reboot
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22:51<tark>MrKeuner i'm off for tonight i'll pay more attention to the phenomenon as i thought i came from messing with compiz-fusion and the packages from tuxfamily repository have been acting weird in lenny as they are originally intended to suit sid.
22:51<tark>if i come up to anything i'll let you know
22:52<MrKeuner>tark: you can private message me
22:52<MrKeuner>I'll message you too if I can find anything
22:52<tark>deal thx
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22:54<blarson>MrKeuner: I've had freezes cause by a faulty hard drive. Other hardware errors can cause them too.
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22:55<MrKeuner>how can I do this serial port connection in times of freeze?
22:56<MrKeuner>what kinf of additional hardware do I need for that
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23:19<rhoruns>Debian is soo fricken SEXY
23:19<rhoruns>my 600mhz is FAST with this distro LOIL
23:19<rhoruns>LOL * :D
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23:28<litage|w>rhoruns: this'll slow your box down if you want ;) cat /dev/urandom >/dev/null
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23:36<Adol>each time I do an /etc/init.d/gdm stop it immediately restarts- is there an easy fix for this?
23:38<litage|w>Adol: have you looked inside /etc/init.d/gdm ?
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23:41<Adol>im looking at it now but i dont see anything that obviously has to do with this behavior- though i have to admit my scripting knowledge is pretty limited
23:42<tcsetattr>does it respawn if you just do "killall gdm" ?
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23:43<DavidProck>something is wrong with my sound sources all of a sudden, would any one know how to fix it?
23:45<chealer>DavidProck: try being more vague
23:45<Requiem>!simple sid backports
23:45<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
23:46<Requiem>I need GCC in order to backport something don't I?
23:46<tcsetattr>2.5) apt-get install build-essential
23:47[~]Requiem nods
23:47<tcsetattr>or maybe apt-get build-dep $ANYTHING takes care of that?
23:47<Requiem>hrm, lets find out
23:47<DavidProck>chealer, i know a restart fill definatly fix it but i dont want to restart, But all of a sudden no app can get hold of the sound device
23:49<DavidProck>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
23:49<DavidProck>does that help
23:50<chealer>DavidProck: sorry, I don't know.
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23:51<DavidProck>i tried pkill -9 alsa thinking ti would reload but it did not
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23:52<Requiem> apt-get build-dep $ANYTHING seems to do it yeah
23:52<Requiem>also: compiling with this processor is *fast*
23:52<tcsetattr>thanks for being the unlazy one and checking it out.
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23:53<Requiem>wanted to backport kernel-package anyway
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23:54<Requiem>I should script something so I can just say backport $WHATEVER and not have to remember that line
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