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00:17<Requiem>"Fedora Core 6 has updated... rpm (multiple bug fixes)." Did they include the bugfix for rpm destroying the entire system when you upgrade packages?
00:19<vHood>Requiem: why not ask #fedora-devel on Freenode?
00:19<Requiem>That was sarcasm
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00:20[~]Requiem did *not* have a pleasant experience with Fedora
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00:24<mrynit>im trying to install etch from online using boot floppies. every thign works fine but it fails to let me select a network miror. i loaded the 2 network drivers from to other floppies and that did not help any
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00:26<litage|w>mrynit: what does the installer do instead? just choose one for you?
00:26<chealer>Requiem: vHood's point was probably that rpm is offtopic here, whatever one has to write about it.
00:26<mrynit>fails and skips the setp. when i try to download packages it cant b/c it has no mirror selected
00:27<litage|w>mrynit: try running the installer in expert mode (type "expert" at the installer's boot prompt)
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00:28<litage|w>mrynit: expert mode will enable you to go through each stage of the install one by one
00:28<litage|w>mrynit: and also let you go back to any stage at any time
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00:29<litage|w>the manpage for useradd says that the username must match [a-z_][a-z0-9_-]*[$]? . adduser is complaining about the username for this command despite the name matching the regex. any idea why?: sudo adduser --shell /bin/false --disabled-password --disabled-login bob_jones
00:29<mrynit>i have the list of sets to go thru and i didnt use expert mode, just regular boot [enter]
00:30<jm_>litage|w: adduser != useradd
00:31<litage|w>jm_: adduser's just a wrapper for useradd, and they both use the same NAME_REGEX setting for validating a username
00:32<jm_>litage|w: nope, they don't
00:32<tcsetattr>stay out of trouble, use [a-z]{1,8}
00:32<jm_>litage|w: read man adduser.conf
00:32<jm_>you can change the regex
00:32<jm_>or specify the option to force it
00:32<tcsetattr>useradd doesn't use any NAME_REGEX at all...
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00:34<tcsetattr>what kind of masochist actually wants a dollar sign in a username?
00:34<litage|w>tcsetattr: heh NFI
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01:20<sheldonh>tcsetattr: $00per1337
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01:21<Kyosuke|>hullo peoples can someone spare a moment to help me on a debian install issue
01:21<tcsetattr>sheldonh, but that recommendation was to allow a dollar sign only at the end!
01:22<sep>!tell Kyosuke| about ask
01:23<Kyosuke|>Ok well i have a supermicro server using an onboard intel raid chipset, i go through the debian installation and when it reboots all i get is 'grub' in the topleft hand corner of the screen, have tried lilo but am then just spammed with "9A9A9A9A9A9A" across the screen
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01:25<jm_>you get GRUB or grub> ?
01:25<Kyosuke|>GRUB i do believe
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01:26<jm_>did you use Etch? do you have disks configured as RAID in BIOS?
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01:27<Kyosuke|>sorry im not familar with your naming conventions, its using 4.0r1
01:27<Kyosuke|>so im guessing thats Etch
01:27<Kyosuke|>and yes the disks are configured as RAID 1 in BIOS
01:28<jm_>Etch installer doesn't support that
01:28<Kyosuke|>ah, ok
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01:31<Rizzer>what happened to the Debian menu in the Gnome Applications menu?
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01:42<sigp239>Where can I find a netinst ISO of debian unstable?
01:42<sigp239>or, at least, a netinst ISO of testing?
01:43<jm_>you shouldn't touch unstable if you can't find it
01:43<sigp239>ok so scratch unstable
01:44<sigp239>what about testing netinst ISO?
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01:47<sigp239>I don't really feel like downloading 4 DVDs just to install testing
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02:38<harpal>I have installed new debian 4.0. when I open my file interfaces I see allow-hotplug eth0, can any one tell me whats this allow-hotplug?
02:39<jm_>man interfaces
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02:57<sep>how can i change what application evolution opens a attachement in, without installing nautilus (and 50MB of gnome dependencies) ?
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03:08<dondelelcaro>sep: hopefully it's using /etc/mailcap, but I'm not certain
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03:09<sep>dondelelcaro, mailcap is set to xpdf. but evolutions only shows "save as file" no option to open in anything
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03:13<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; dunno. I haven't touched evolution
03:15<azeem>I think gnome is using .desktop files for mime-related stuff these days, not sure
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03:53<Kyosuke|>hey, would just like to say thanks to the guy who told me that the intel raid codebase wasnt able to be used with etch, changed it over to the adaptec one and it installed fine :)
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04:01<seanius>wow, very insightful
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04:01<dondelelcaro>asdf is better!
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04:12<padski>can sshd log which publickey was accepted ?
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04:30<dondelelcaro>padski: probably using one of the DEBUG levels, but not trivially to my knowledge.
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04:33<padski>dondelelcaro: strikes me as a potentially useful feature.
04:33<padski>either that, or I'm using it wrong! :-)
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04:35<kuchenmonster>padski: LogLevel VERBOSE does it for me.
04:35<padski>kuchenmonster: thanks! :-)
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04:36<kuchenmonster>padski: No problem.
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04:38<Requiem>Anybody know a good guide for choosing the right options when building a kernel?
04:39<dondelelcaro>Requiem: the good guide is to not compile your own kernel
04:40<padski>Requiem: why do you want to ?
04:40<dondelelcaro>(or start with a working kernel's .config if you really must)
04:40<sep>Requiem, 1: dont compile your own unless you NEED to, 2: if you need to compile your own, take the precompile .config and tweak the one setting that you NEED to have changed
04:40<Requiem>padski: need a 2.6.22 kernel in order to properly support my hardware
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04:41<padski>Requiem: 2.6.22 is in sid. works for me :-)
04:41<padski>Requiem: what hardware ?
04:41<Requiem>Yeah, but I don't want to upgrade to sid as a whole
04:41<Requiem>G33 chipset
04:41<padski>Requiem: what is a G33 chipset ?
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04:42<jm_>get its config, build it the same way
04:42<Requiem>jm_ can do, backported kernel-package
04:42<Requiem>padski: a PiTA that's far from being properly supported
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04:43<padski>Requiem: in my case I installed 2.6.22 from sid on an etch last night for a wifi driver. the kernel didn't pull in any other dependencies at apt-get time, but I founf I had to backport wireless-tools
04:43<Requiem>still don't have proper drivers from intel for the graphics core
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04:43<Requiem>Is it possible to just install 2.6.22 from sid without doing the compile?
04:43<padski>Requiem: so you don't have to upgrade everything to sid, but there may be more to it than any simple apt-get incantation I can teach you :-)
04:44<padski>Requiem: works for me (TM) :-)
04:44<padski>Requiem: see above
04:44<Requiem>you said you did it
04:44<Requiem>but I dunno how you did it
04:44<jm_>why not check first?
04:45<padski>Requiem: add unstable to your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 (or something), then after install remove sid from your sources.list
04:45<Requiem>because I can't find a package for the kernel, that makes using apt to do it kinda hard
04:45<padski>Requiem: what jm_ says. bpo good :-)
04:45<Requiem>ah, linux-image
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04:59<Aicart>does any body have problems with xine and unstable ?
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05:00<JasonS>Aicart: perhaps you could be more specific,
05:01<Requiem>I have problems with xine, period
05:01<Aicart>i use xine with amarok
05:01<Aicart>and it coudn't play mp3 an flac
05:02<Aicart>and I had to install libmtp5 with the package and dpkg
05:02<Aicart>but I think this is usual in unstable
05:03<Requiem>needing extra packages is pretty standard for xine in my experience
05:04<Requiem>I had a fun one where the plugin crashed my webbrowser when it would try to load quicktime (works fine now, installed thw quicktime library)
05:04<Aicart>I have installed libxine1 and libxine-plugins and libxine1-ffmpeg
05:04<Aicart>these would be enoght to play mp3 and flac
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05:05<Aicart>is there a xine in text mode to see the errors ?
05:05<Aicart>sorry for my horrible english
05:06<jm_>well you can try starting it from a terminal
05:07<Aicart>mmm no
05:07<Aicart>it doesn't work
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05:07<jm_>that's bullshit
05:08<Aicart>i'll search in web
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05:21<Aicart>I have solve the mp3 problem
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05:39<ths_>can someone help me please?
05:40<ths_>i have a problem with debian etch
05:41<seanius>ths_: try asking about your problem instead of asking about asking about your problem :)
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05:41<ths_>each time when the screen comes to login in then the screens is black, that's not normal or?
05:41<xbc>ths_, do you use kde or gnome?
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05:42<xbc>ths_, and you just installed?
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05:43<xbc>did you chosse desktop environmet during installation?
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05:43<ths_>but yesterday i had installed and i had downloaded the newest driver for my nvidia graphic card
05:43<ths_>yes xbc
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05:44<ths_>and this morning i had already installed debian and now it come everytime the black screen
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05:44<ths_>when i will login me
05:45<jm_>does it work with nv driver?
05:45<ths_>jm_, not really
05:45<xbc>can you switch to console with strg + alt + F1?
05:45<ths_>xbc, yes i can
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05:46<xbc>so can you open /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
05:46<ths_>yes why?
05:46<xbc>its importend what driver is choosen in there
05:46<jm_>do you see login dialog at all?
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05:47<ths_>where in the file i can find the driver?
05:48<xbc>it's in Section "Device"
05:48<xbc>is it nv or nvidia?
05:49<ths_>xbc, Driver "nv"
05:49<ths_>and the BUS Id is "PCI:0:5:0"
05:49<xbc>did you download the driver from nvidia website?
05:50<jm_>ths_: try installing nvidia driver, but not the way xbc proposes
05:50<xbc>jm_, it was a question :)
05:50<ths_>but i installed the debian etch this morning again, must the newest version overwrite the oldest version? xbc
05:51<seanius>ths_: you could also try switching nv to vesa, which has worse performance but works more often
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05:51<ths_>seanius, you mean instead driver "nv" --> driver "vesa"??
05:51<jm_>ths_: try nvidia driver first, it will be much more pleasant experience if it works
05:51<xbc>ths_, what graphics card is it? - if it's one of the latest, it won't work with nv driver, only with nvidia
05:52<ths_>xbc, nvidia 6150LE the newest on the market
05:53<ths_>xbc, what can i do?
05:53<xbc>xbc, i not sure, but it might only run with driver from nvidia website
05:53<ths_>and what i shoul do?
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05:53<seanius>dpkg: tell ths_ about nvidia
05:53<jm_>nvidia driver in Etch supports 6150LE
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05:54<xbc>jm_, the nv shipping with debian?
05:55<ths_>it had it worked tomorrow with the graphic card
05:55<jm_>xbc: no, not nv, nvidia ...
05:55<seanius>ths_: like i said vesa will work more reliably *but* you don't get any of the features out of your shiny new card so it's probably worth trying the proprietary driver too
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05:56<ths_>seanius, what can i do, that i see the login screen?
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05:56<pApArOaCh>hello everyone!
05:57<xbc>ths_, you can try changing "nv" to "vesa"
05:57<ths_>xbc, okay one moment please
05:57<pApArOaCh>anyone can tell me how to open a port on Debian?
05:57<ths_>must i restart the x server?
05:57<ths_>and why?
05:57<ths_>i hadn't do that yet
05:58<ths_>xbc, how can i restart the x server?
05:58<xbc>strg+alt+backspace if you're on the black screen
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06:00<xbc>or switch to console (if this works) as root and type "killall gdm"
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06:00<jm_>no, use invoke-rc.d gdm stop
06:00<xbc>yes :)
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06:02<ths_>xbc, it works but when i start the server with my login it doesn't works
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06:03<ths_>and if i install the debian on my pc again?
06:03<xbc>ths_, ß
06:03<ths_>can that the probelm resolve?
06:03<xbc>ths_, ?
06:03<xbc>ths_, you mean a new installation?
06:03<ths_>yes the newest version overwrites the older or not?
06:03<ths_>yes xbc
06:04<ths_>can that resolve the probelm?
06:04<xbc>ths_, that'S not neccessary and i won't help you to solve the problem i think
06:04<ths_>what can i do does it works?
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06:06<xbc>if you want to try the proprietary driver you can download it from
06:06<ths_>and why in the console?
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06:07<jm_>don't do that, do what dpkg told you
06:07<xbc>type "wget"
06:08<ths_>xbc, one moment please
06:08<xbc>jm_, you think the nv driver should work?
06:10<xbc>jm_, i mean "nv" (not "nvidia" ) in xorg.conf
06:10<jm_>xbc: no idea, he should mention the exact chip name (NVxy)
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06:11<xbc>"nvidia 6150LE" he said
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06:11<xbc>jm_, "nvidia 6150LE" he said
06:11<jm_>that's not chip name
06:12<jm_>I suppose I could find it myself from that, but I can't be arsed
06:12<xbc>will lspci show?
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06:14<ths_>xbc, okay i downloaded the driver from the nvidia site and now?
06:15<xbc>in the folder you downloaded it to type "sh NVIDIA....."
06:15<jm_>yeah it should
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06:15<ths_>which folder is standard=
06:15<xbc>the one you where wehn you typed wget...
06:16<xbc>the one you have been in wehn you typed wget - thats where the download is stored
06:16<ths_>he can't find a precompile kernel?
06:16<xbc>thats ok
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06:17<xbc>then it will compile one in the next step?
06:17<ths_>and then he ask me to download a kernel from the nvidia site
06:17<xbc>try it
06:18<ths_>he doesn't find a kernel on the nvidia site
06:18<ths_>he will compile a kernel interface in the kernel
06:19<xbc>but it then will try to compile a module won't it?
06:19<xbc>ths_, yes you have to do this
06:20<ths_>he said: this means that the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for your kernel, is that right?
06:20<xbc>ths_, yes
06:21<ths_>okay i push on ok
06:21<xbc>ths_, yes
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06:22<xbc>ths_, did it finish successfully?
06:22<ths_>not really
06:23<xbc>ths_, did you get an error message?
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06:23<ths_>he said: unable to find the development tool 'cc' in your path; please make sure that you have the package 'gcc' installed. if gcc is installed on your system, then please check that cc' is in your path
06:23<ths_>what i shoul do? xbc
06:24<jm_>!tell ths_ -about nvidia
06:25<xbc>you have'nt installed gcc yet which is needed for compile
06:25<ths_>and how i can maka that?
06:25<ths_>with apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade==
06:25<ths_>or apt-get install gcc xbc ?
06:26<xbc>apt-get install gcc
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06:26<frank>install build-essential
06:27<ths_>okay xbc done
06:27<ths_>and now sh NVIDIA... again??
06:27<xbc>and also you have to install the linux-headers-[your kernel version here] package
06:27<markus>hello... how could i do if i want t upgrade my system to have all neccessy parts i need for a desktop and server computer?..
06:27<dobby>hy when i want to do a mkinird i always get the error No '/' mountpoint specified in /etc/fstab but in fstab my line is Label=usbroot=/
06:27<dobby>any ideas?
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06:28<ths_>xbc, how i can find the version of the linux kernel?
06:28<markus>Like select all in synaptic.. but one function that do it more nice
06:28<dobby>sorry Label=usbroot /
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06:28<xbc>ths_, first do what frank said :)
06:28<frank>ths_: why do you use the nvidia installer and not the debian stuff?
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06:29<xbc>frank, debian semms not to work
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06:29<frank>not work means what?
06:29<ths_>okay apt-get install build essential done
06:29<xbc>ths_, did you install linux-headers?
06:29<ths_>ah fuck
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06:31<xbc>ths_, it must be the one with the version number of your installed linux-image
06:31<frank>markus: you can e.g. 'aptitude install xorg kdebase'
06:32<ths_>apt-get install linux-headers-... done
06:32<xbc>ths_, now try sh NV... again
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06:33<ths_>sh NV... done with any problems, and now?
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06:33<ths_>restart the pc?
06:34<xbc>ths_, look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:34<ths_>under Driver??
06:34<xbc>ths_, did the driver change from "nv" to "nvidia" ?
06:35<markus>frank: Yeah.. but that would'nt give me all programc ould need?.. i going to offline for some weeks and wan'nt everything to be installed.. Maybe there is some meta namne like apt-get install desktop development?
06:35<ths_>yes the driver is now nvidia
06:36<jm_>markus: use tasksel
06:36<xbc>ths_, then you can try to reboot
06:36<ths_>shotdown now? or wih which command?
06:36<xbc>ths_, "reboot"
06:36<ths_>xbc, okay
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06:37<xbc>if it works you should get a nvidia splash screen when the xserver starts
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06:38<ths_>xbc, you're the greatest thx
06:38<ths_>tanks very very very very much
06:39<ths_>you have saved my live
06:39<ths_>it works
06:39<xbc>ths_, great :)
06:39<markus>jm_: thx.. it seems to do much of the trick=)
06:39<xbc>ths_, no problem :)
06:39<ths_>xbc, do you want something?
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06:39<ths_>xbc, a website?
06:39<xbc>ths_, :)
06:40<ths_>it's for your help
06:40<ths_>where do you learned that?
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06:40<xbc>i had the same problem some weeks ago with a notbook :)
06:41<ths_>and who did you research the problem?
06:41<ths_>and where did you research the problem?
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06:42<ths_>xbc, what can i do that the problem isn't come again?
06:42<xbc>ths_, it depends on which grraphics card you have
06:42<ths_>the newest from nvidia
06:42<ths_>my pc is 1day old
06:43<xbc>ths_, :)
06:43<xbc>ths_, look for a konfig tool in gnome, there is one
06:43<xbc>ths_, for the nvidia card now
06:43<ths_>xbc, and where exactly?
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06:44<xbc>its called nvidia-settings or something
06:44<ths_>okay i have seen
06:45<ths_>it's under the menu system tools
06:45<ths_>you really saved my live
06:45<xbc>ths_, have fun :)
06:45<ths_>100000000000000000000000x thanks xbc
06:45<ths_>yes i have
06:46<ths_>do you have a mail amsn or skype??
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07:02<ths_>hello again xbc
07:02<xbc>ths_, hi :)
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07:03<ths_>xbc, sorry that i nerv you, but i have seen that i have a wlan card in my pc ( on board ) and i would use this how can i do this?
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07:04<ths_>xbc, do you have experience with wlan cards on board?
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07:04<xbc>ths what does "lspci | grep less" say?
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07:05<ths_>xbc, nothing
07:05<xbc>ths_, or lokk in all lspci for something like wireless
07:05<xbc>ths_, yust type lspci
07:05<ths_>in lspci there a lot of entries
07:06<ths_>xbc, do you want to see that?
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07:07<gsimmons>ths_: Can you provide the output at a pastebin?
07:07<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:08<orbin>hi all. anyone familiar with cpu scaling? i wish to use the conservative policy governor and have added a line in /etc/sysfs.conf to try and do this, but at each boot it reverts back to ondemand.
07:12<jm_>orbin: what did you put in the file?
07:12<orbin>jm_: devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = conservative
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07:13<orbin>jm_: i made use of this howto:
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07:14<jm_>orbin: does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors list it?
07:15<orbin>jm_: yes, it does
07:15<jm_>orbin: is it a custom kernel?
07:16<orbin>jm_: no. 2.6.21-2-k7
07:16<orbin>jm_: running lenny
07:17<jm_>orbin: does it have cpufreq support available as modules or static?
07:18<orbin>jm_: i'm not sure.
07:18<jm_>orbin: so verify it
07:18<orbin>jm_: righto
07:18<jm_>orbin: i.e. /boot/config*
07:18<gsimmons>ths_: Can't see anything obvious. Is it mini PCI? If the device isn't enabled in your BIOS, it's likely not to appear in your output.
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07:19<orbin>jm_: thanks for the hint. looking now.
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07:20<gsimmons>ths_: You might want to run 'update-pciids' as root, prior to another lspci.
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07:23<orbin>jm_: would it be ok to give you a pastebin link? i'm not sure what the lines particularly mean. just say so and i can go off and google.
07:23<jm_>orbin: what does grep CPUFREQ say?
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07:23<jm_>orbin: =m or =y?
07:24<orbin>jm_: m
07:25<orbin>jm_: CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m is what you're after i assume
07:25<jm_>orbin: hmm perhaps the module is not loaded at the time sysfsutils init script is executed - try "invoke-rc.d sysfsutils start" - does it set it to what you have set?
07:25<jm_>orbin: ahh silly me, it's CPU_FREQ
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07:26<orbin>jm_: there's a few lines of output. pastebin?
07:26<jm_>orbin: naah, just look for CONSERV one, is it m or y?
07:26<orbin>jm_: m
07:26<jm_>orbin: right, so maybe the above is the issue
07:26<harpal>When I boot in to system than after initrd and boot than it displays me Uncompressing Linux... Ok, and than my system restart whats problem there?
07:27<orbin>jm_: trying now. one moment.
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07:27<jm_>harpal: that often indicates you are trying to use wrong kernel
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07:28<orbin>jm_: aye, that seems to switch it.
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07:28<jm_>orbin: ok so my wild assumption would be the module's not loaded at that time
07:29<orbin>jm_: righto.
07:29<jm_>orbin: add them to /etc/modules, I think that'll work
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07:30<ths_>how can i find which wlan-card is on my board?
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07:30<ths_>gsimmons, what do you mean?
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07:31<gsimmons>ths_: No private messages, please.
07:31<ths_>okay gsimmons
07:32<ths_>that's my pc:
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07:32<orbin>jm_: well i added powernow-k8, and cpufreq_conservative previously. lsmod shows the other cpufreq_* modules too which puzzles me a little as i didn't include them in /etc/modules
07:32<jm_>orbin: yeah it's likely something else that loads them afterwards
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07:33<ths_>what can i do to find the wlan-card-type of my pc?
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07:33<orbin>jm_: but not early enough for the sysfsutils init script?
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07:33<kosukedog>list *debian*
07:34<harpal>jm_: I have same kernel and its I have all initrdimages and others are same
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07:34<harpal>from which I am booting
07:34<jm_>orbin: that's my assumption, you can try printing available governors in /etc/init.d/sysfsutils script or similar
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07:34<DeFender1031>hello, i just upgraded from etch to lenny and now all of a sudden everything is in 300 pt font and i can't use it at all.
07:34<jm_>harpal: same kernel as what?
07:35<ths_>does anybody know where i can find the type of my wlan-card?
07:35<chealer>ths_: how is it connected to your PC?
07:35<gsimmons>ths_: Unfortunately that page doesn't state anything about the wireless chipset within.
07:35<ths_>it's integrated chealer
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07:35<ths_>gsimmons, that's not good
07:36<ths_>if i type ifconfig eth0
07:36<chealer>ths_: you mean you can't remove it from the motherboard?
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07:36<orbin>jm_: ok. thanks for your time.
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07:38<ths_>gsimmons, chealer
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07:38<ths_>but i can't find the type of the wlan-card
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07:39<chealer>ths_: that doesn't answer my question
07:39<ths_>sorry chealer
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07:39<ths_>what's your question?
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07:39<DeFender1031>can someone please4 help me?
07:39<seanius>DeFender1031: heh.. are you using gnome or kde
07:39<DeFender1031>seanius, kde, but i don't think it's a kde issue
07:39<jm_>DeFender1031: what's your DPI set to?
07:40<DeFender1031>jm_, for kde? 0
07:40<ths_>chealer, what was your question?
07:40<jm_>DeFender1031: for X server
07:40<JasonS>DeFender1031: reconfigure x?
07:40<DeFender1031>jm_, how do i check?
07:40<seanius>DeFender1031: you could try using the failsafe login to make sure it's an X issue and not KDE
07:40<chealer>ths_: you can't remove your card from the motherboard?
07:40<DeFender1031>JasonS, i remove purged everything having to do with x and still comes out wrong
07:40<harpal>jm_: I have kernel 2.6.18-4-686 kernel which comes with debian4.0 and I am trying to boot from that but it restarts the computer every time
07:40<ths_>chealer, yes i can't
07:40<jm_>DeFender1031: xdpyinfo will show it
07:40<DeFender1031>seanius, how do i do that?
07:41<xbc>ths_, <chealer> ths_: you mean you can't remove it from the motherboard? :)
07:41<jm_>harpal: and your CPU is?
07:41<ths_>yes xbc
07:41<DeFender1031>danf: {0} [3:47pm] /home/danf> xdpyinfo
07:41<DeFender1031>xdpyinfo: unable to open display "".
07:41<harpal>jm_: how to know that CPU?
07:41<chealer>ths_: I'd assume it's PCI then. try lspci.
07:41<seanius>DeFender1031: log out, and at the login screen there should be a "login options" or similar button that lets you choose your session
07:41<gsimmons>chealer: He's done it previously.
07:42<gsimmons>22:11 < ths_> gsimmons,
07:42<jm_>harpal: you don't know what you bought? /proc/cpuinfo will show it
07:42<ths_>oh thanks gsimmons
07:42<jm_>DeFender1031: you must run it in X terminal
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07:42<DeFender1031>seanius, the login screen is huge too, i can't really see anything there
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07:42<DeFender1031>jm_, how do i open an x terminal?
07:42<seanius>oh, heh
07:43<gsimmons>ths_: Did you update your PCI IDs, using the update-pciids command as previously requested?
07:43<DeFender1031>seanius, so you get the magnitude of my problem?
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07:43<ths_>gsimmons, no
07:43<harpal>jm_: it shows me cpu family as 6
07:43<seanius>ctrl alt - and ctrl alt + don't change anythign?
07:43<jm_>DeFender1031: uhm you should have some menus, try right clicking
07:43<ths_>gsimmons, update-pciids done
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07:43<DeFender1031>jm_, where?
07:43<jm_>harpal: and vendor/model?
07:43<jm_>DeFender1031: empty area on the desktop?
07:44<gsimmons>ths_: Okay. Please pastebin the output of a second lspci command (don't worry about the '-v').
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07:44<harpal>model is VIA Samuel 2 I have linux installed on this hardware
07:44<DeFender1031>jm_, i don't think you get it, i can't see anything on that computer, i'm currently working through ssh
07:44<chealer>ths_: what does $ discover ethernet; output?
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07:45<ths_>chealer, what do you mean?
07:45<jm_>DeFender1031: then read the logfile of X server
07:45<chealer>ths_: if you run the command, what do you get?
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07:45<DeFender1031>jm_, where is that?
07:45<mzungu>Sorry - Kontact: ISpell/Aspell could not be started. Please make sure you have ISpell or Aspell properly configured and in your PATH. -- welches empfehlt ihr?
07:46<ths_>chealer, nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller
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07:46<chealer>!tell mzungu about de
07:46<seanius>DeFender1031: about about "ps -ef | grep X"... does your X server cmdline contain a -dpi option?
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07:46<jm_>!tell DeFender1031 -about x logfile
07:46<ths_>chealer, is that the type of the wlan-card?
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07:47<DeFender1031>seanius, huh?
07:47<mzungu>chealer: sorry, wrong board ;)
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07:47<chealer>ths_: no. I don't see a wlan-card in your PC. are you sure there's one and it's enabled?
07:47<jm_>harpal: that doesn't sound right choice, try using 486 kernel
07:48<seanius>DeFender1031: can you paste the output of ps -ef | grep X
07:48<seanius>dpkg: tell DeFender1031 about paste
07:48<ths_>chealer, i activated eth0
07:48<DeFender1031>oh ok
07:48<harpal>jm_: ok
07:48<chealer>ths_: that seems to be your Ethernet card...
07:49<DeFender1031>seanius, is there a flood channel? i hate using paste sites
07:49<ths_>but in network settings i have eth1 and eth0
07:49<ths_>chealer, and eth0 he can't activate
07:49<JasonS>DeFender1031: just use
07:49<chealer>ths_: what's the output of # ifconfig -a; ?
07:50<DeFender1031>JasonS, that's a paste site... but fine
07:51<JasonS>DeFender1031: whats the problem with paste sites?
07:51<chealer>ths_: oh. then eth0 is probably your FireWire card.
07:51<ths_>FireWire card??
07:51<DeFender1031>JasonS, nothing, they just annoy me
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07:52<chealer>ths_: yes... 02:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW323 (rev 70) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
07:52<gsimmons>ths_: You have a FirmWire controller present. It's at the end of your lspci output.
07:52<ths_>and my wlan card?
07:52<jm_>ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver
07:52<jm_>will show if it is or isn't
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07:53<ths_>jm_, ls: /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver: No such file or directory
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07:53<jm_>ths_: huh, nice - how about eth1?
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07:54<ths_>jm_, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2007-08-29 15:55 /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/forcedeth
07:54<chealer>ths_: there's no sign of it that I know.
07:54<jm_>ths_: right, tell udev to assign that as eth0
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07:54<gsimmons>ths_: Out of interest, what does `lsusb` report on your system?
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07:55<ram>any body have information about debian based mobile OS?????
07:55<ths_>gsimmons, chealer
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07:56<seanius>DeFender1031: could you also paste the contents your xorg log?
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07:56<DeFender1031>seanius, where is that?
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07:56<ths_>gsimmons, chealer what does that mean?
07:56<DeFender1031>btw... it's ironic that upgrading to the version named for a magnifying tool increased my font size....
07:57<azeem>amazing, compiz fixed itself
07:58<seanius>DeFender1031: hah, at least you have a good sense of humor about it :)
07:58<chealer>ths_: hum...if you don't see a plugged in device using a Realtek chipset, that may be your wireless card...
07:58<seanius>DeFender1031: look around in /var/log, i have to go caffeinate now
07:58<azeem>I had artefacts and low-framerate animations for a few days, and now it jsut works smoothly again
07:58<JasonS>speaking of coffee
07:58<DeFender1031>seanius, okay
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07:59<ths_>chealer, and what can i do that the wlan works?
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07:59<xbc>azeem, what about compiz and kde in testing des it work?
07:59<azeem>xbc: I run Gnome
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07:59<azeem>but I have to say I'm very happy with compiz performance on my T40 now
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08:00<azeem>I was running a pre-etch testing full of cruft until a few days ago, where switching workspaces/viewports or expose would take 100% CPU and still be bumpy
08:00<xbc>azeem, ok i assumed that, i think kde does still not work, at least the window decoration
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08:00<azeem>but now it's fine, with the radeon driver
08:00<gsimmons>ths_: A RTL8187-based device, possibly? This should be supported by the rtl-wifi drivers.
08:01<xbc>azeem, :)
08:01<gsimmons>!tell ths_ -about rtl-wifi
08:01<jm_>(==) intel(0): DPI set to (75, 75) - a bit low, but still not responsible for huge fonts
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08:05<WhiteWolf>how can i tell my debian that Iceweasel (Firefox) are the standard webbrowser is?
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08:06<ranix>there is no 'standard web browser' in Debian
08:06<ranix>you want to tell GNOME or XFCE or KDE that it's the standard browser
08:06<jm_>WhiteWolf: set it as a default alternative
08:06<azeem>WhiteWolf: besides that, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
08:07<azeem>and finally, there's /etc/mailcap
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08:10<chealer>ths_: I don't know. you could try searching "0bda:0111" on Google.
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08:14<lkolbe>Hi! Is it possible to compile Xen with the linux-2.6.22 source-package?
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08:15<lkolbe>ie. domU-support into linux-2.6.22?
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08:16<Agonie>i(ve got a big problem. When I install Debian when it's time to copy files from cd it fails
08:17<Agonie>i change drives
08:17<Agonie>three times
08:17<Agonie>the install cd too
08:17<Agonie>i don't understand ... Could you hellp me ?
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08:19<Agonie>the most impressive thing is that it doesn't fail at the same place each time
08:19<Agonie>is there a special BIOS config for debian to work ?
08:20<ascii>looks like hardware problem
08:21<alex_>Agonie, hardware
08:21<Agonie>i guess to but i changed the cables, the drives
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08:21<Agonie>& windows is installing
08:21<jm_>what does the kernel say when it fails?
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08:21<Agonie>the cdrom is begining & after 2-5 seconds it fails
08:22<Agonie>sometimes it fails at 5%, other times it fails at 32 %
08:22<Agonie>just after the cdrom mounting
08:22<Agonie>whene it's time to copy base-installer & stuff
08:23<Agonie>it says that the cd is probably corrupted
08:23<Agonie>but it works on other computers
08:23<ascii>use atl+ctrl+f2 (or f3 ?) to see kernel error. that's can help you
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08:27<Agonie>bad md5sum
08:27<mikkelorz>where do i find an extensive tutorial on the bootsplash package?
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08:28<mikkelorz>or just a quick howto.. would be even better =)
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08:29<Agonie>the warning is bad md5sum
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08:29<Agonie>it's crazy
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08:30<Kelpie-VMW>Just curious before I explain my problem here. What does dd do to a .img file? Specifically for
08:30<dpkg>i heard bootsplash is && (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot
08:30<ascii>Agonie: weird. maybe a motherboard prob
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08:30<Agonie>that's a big problem
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08:31<mikkelorz>Agonie: check your ram
08:31<ascii>yeah, nice idea
08:31<mikkelorz>Agonie: faulty ram = bad install..
08:32<mikkelorz>memcheck86 can do the trick
08:32<Agonie>how do i proceeed ?
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08:32<mikkelorz>hirens bootcd has it
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08:32<Agonie>ok thx
08:33<mikkelorz>also try putting your finger on the ram when the computer is working.. if they're hot you may want to look into some cooling.. maybe a fan on them
08:33<Agonie>it'as an old computer
08:33<Agonie>8 years old
08:33<Agonie>no need of this ^^
08:33<mikkelorz>well the ram could just be fried then
08:33<Agonie>i think that it's a mother board problem too
08:33<mikkelorz>too much dust in the fans =)
08:34<mikkelorz>well one thing at a time ;)
08:34<Agonie>i think i fucked a condensator yesterday when i cleaned it
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08:34<mikkelorz>how do you do that oO
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08:35<Agonie>hum a scratch on it
08:35<mikkelorz>you clean with a soldering iron?
08:35<Agonie>no ^^
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08:35<mikkelorz>heh well maybe it's the mobo.. who knows :)
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08:36<Agonie>damn vacuum cleaner
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08:38<mikkelorz>Agonie: i use compressed air on spray cans.. it's 5 euro or something.. i dont wanna buy an entire compressor system just to clean up the hw once a year =)
08:38<Agonie>this old windows is installing well
08:38<Agonie>yeah here dry cleaner is 15 €
08:39<Kelpie-VMW>I notice that for Debian and Ubuntu that my CDROM drive is not using it's full read speed, so it probably can't read through any little scratches.
08:39<Kelpie-VMW>SO that might be your problem.
08:39<Kelpie-VMW>ANy scratches on the DVD/CD will make it stop.
08:40<mikkelorz>Kelpie-VMW: higher speed on your cdrom usually makes it worse at readin through scratches
08:40<Kelpie-VMW>I can tell when my CDROM drive is using it's full or half read speed because it makes a lot of noise, but it doesn't make any noise when using it.
08:40<Kelpie-VMW>Eh, how so?
08:40<mikkelorz>laser has less time on the sectors
08:41<Kelpie-VMW>I have a Sims game that is so scratched that you would think it wouldn't work, because I've had it for 6 years.
08:41<Kelpie-VMW>But, because of how fast the read speed is, it reads it just great.
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08:41<mikkelorz>dosnt matter in a normal cd drive.. only the laser's accuracy counts..
08:42<Kelpie-VMW>BUt I go and try to install Debian with a DVD with a little scratch on it, and it doesn't want to read and says the DVD is corrupted.
08:42<Agonie>is there an install option to disable warnings ?
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08:42<mikkelorz>Kelpie-VMW: well that sounds like a coaster :)
08:42<Kelpie-VMW>Even though this isn't my problem.
08:42<mikkelorz>Kelpie-VMW: dont think the scratch counts..
08:42<Kelpie-VMW>Oh it does.
08:43<mikkelorz>then you sir have the weirdest cd-rom driver ever known to me =)
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08:43<Kelpie-VMW>Because it does the same thing for every CDROM drive I've had.
08:43<Kelpie-VMW>The read speed is a tad slow, and it doesn't read through the scratches, BUT on WIndows the files are intact when you explore it.
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08:44<mikkelorz>anyways you on kde?
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08:44<Agonie>ok so what do i do ?
08:45<Agonie>i already installed debian 2 times with thos cds
08:45<Agonie>i don't think i comes from this
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08:48<Kelpie-VMW>Well, I don't know.
08:48<Kelpie-VMW>I've had some lovely experience with hardware failure.
08:49<Kelpie-VMW>It can be a number of things that could be a problem.
08:49<Kelpie-VMW>There could be RAM failure, CDROM failure, or motherboard failure.
08:49<Kelpie-VMW>if WIndows is installing fine, then that's a tad confusing.
08:50<Kelpie-VMW>Just hope to god that you don't see your computer turn on and off after awhile as if it's posessed.
08:50<Agonie>on debian fr
08:50<Agonie>a guy said me that it's probably a ram failure like here
08:50<Agonie>so i'm gonna run a memtest and see
08:50<Kelpie-VMW>that would work.
08:51<Agonie>ok thank you here
08:51<Kelpie-VMW>if it doesn't tell you exactly which stick of RAM is the problem, take them all out and try one at a time.
08:51<Agonie>ok thx
08:51<Kelpie-VMW>If one of them fails, you'll probably hear a series of beeps. I never had this problem before, so I don't know.
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08:53<seanius>DeFender1031: what kind of video card do you have
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08:56<DeFender1031>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
08:56<DeFender1031>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
08:58<metalqga>you should be happy, intel have good drivers
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08:58<DeFender1031>metalqga, that's not my problem...
08:59<DeFender1031>not with this at least
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08:59<DeFender1031>with my wireless it is...
08:59<DeFender1031>hmm, maybe if i get this fixed you guys could help me with that?
08:59<DeFender1031>but whatever
08:59<DeFender1031>first things first
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09:01<seanius>DeFender1031: do you have i915resolution installed?
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09:01<DeFender1031>seanius, dunno... "apt-get install i915resolution"?
09:02<Kelpie-VMW>Does anyone exactly know what dd is suppose to do with an .IMG file, specifically for this tutorial?
09:02<DeFender1031>nope, that's not it
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09:02<Kelpie-VMW>MAybe if I understand what it's trying to do, I can understand why I'm having a problem.
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09:03<seanius>DeFender1031: that oughta do it, plus a x server restart (or maybe a reboot, i'm not too familiar with the package but have seen it recommended for your chipset)
09:03<seanius>oh, it's 915resolution, not i915...
09:04<seanius>oh: "The 915resolution package becomes obsolete with the newer xorg, especially if you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed. Newer xorg brings modesetting support by default." so maybe it wouldn't help
09:05<klys>klepie-vmw: either make a file to create one with or copy one to/from a device
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09:07<Kelpie-VMW>OKay. Strangely enough it's not doing anything. It says it's doing something in the terminal, but you can't see anything in the file browser.
09:08<DeFender1031>seanius, would xserver-xorg-video-intel help?
09:08<DeFender1031>i seem to already have that one
09:08<Kelpie-VMW>I don't understand what is suppose to happen when I follow the directions for this tutorial:
09:08<Kelpie-VMW>BUt it's not doing anything
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09:09<Kelpie-VMW>Or maybe it is...
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09:09<klys>kelpie-vmw: can you mount /usb
09:09<DeFender1031>seanius, there's gotta be something simple we're overlooking...
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09:09<Kelpie-VMW>It is already mounted.
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09:09<Kelpie-VMW>Under /media/usbdisk
09:09<klys>!tell kelpie-vmv about ask
09:10<DeFender1031>seanius, hmm... my mimetypes also seem to be missing...
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09:10<Kelpie-VMW>/dev/sdb is mounted onto /media/usbdisk
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09:11<klys>don't dd to or from /dev/sdb while it's mounted
09:11<Kelpie-VMW>eh, how do I unmount it, again?
09:11<klys>umount /media/usbdisk
09:11<Kelpie-VMW>Because I think you might be right. I get a bunch of mumble jumble when I type ls.
09:11<Kelpie-VMW>It's like opening an image file in word.
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09:16<seanius>DeFender1031: can you try doing the fix mentioned in the bottom of
09:16<seanius>namely adding the line Option "DDC" "no" to your Device section
09:17<seanius>also maybe manually setting X/gdm to start at 100 dpi will do the trick, but one thing at a time
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09:18<DeFender1031>seanius, will try, hold on
09:20<DeFender1031>well, first of all i don't get what it's telling me to do, but secondly, this seems to be talking about a resolution issue. it's not a resolution issue. the res of pictures and stuff is fine, it's definitely a font thing...
09:20<Kelpie-VMW>klys: I actually went through all the trouble to install linux onto VMWare because dd on Windows just made a 560mb file with no file extension that couldn't be used, lol. SOmetimes Windows is more confusing than Linux.
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09:21<jifix> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
09:21<seanius>DeFender1031: from what i understand it's a problem with the auto-detection of dpi settings
09:22<seanius>before it used to be hard-coded
09:22<DeFender1031>so how do i fix it?
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09:23<_moep_>i'm searching an irc channel where I get some help with reprepro
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09:29<seanius>sorry i'm at $work
09:30<DeFender1031>no prob
09:30<DeFender1031>so how do i fix it?
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09:30<seanius>have y ou tried adding the Option stanza to your Device section?
09:30<DeFender1031>i don't know what that means?
09:31<jifix>on boot time i have an other problem when it says network interface configure
09:31<jifix>it shows me a warning about
09:31<seanius>DeFender1031: okay in your xorg.conf file there is a Section "Device" for your graphics card
09:31<jifix>someone plz help
09:32<seanius>you can tell which one it is because it will probably have a Driver stanza mentioning your card
09:32<DeFender1031>Section "Screen"?
09:32<seanius>no Section "Device"
09:33<DeFender1031>that section contains "Device "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express$"
09:33<DeFender1031>still looking
09:33<DeFender1031>there is no secton "Device"
09:33<DeFender1031>oh wait
09:33<DeFender1031>there it is
09:34<DeFender1031>found it
09:34<seanius>there should be another section in that file mentioning an identifier with the same name
09:34<DeFender1031>yeah, found section device, now what?
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09:34<seanius>so in this section, try adding the following line
09:34<seanius>Option "DDC" "false"
09:35<seanius>and restart your x server
09:35<DeFender1031>false or no?
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09:36<seanius>it's the same thing
09:36<DeFender1031>so it sould look like this?
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09:37<seanius>seems reasonable
09:38<DeFender1031>saving and rebooting...
09:38<DeFender1031>if i reboot i'll lose this chat, i'm running t off of ssh...
09:38<DeFender1031>well, see you on the flipside
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09:44<DeFender1031>seanius, good news
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09:45<DeFender1031>let's just say i'm not looking through lenny anymore
09:45<DeFender1031>you wanna help me with my wireless also?
09:46<seanius>only if it's easy :)
09:46<chikita_g>problem in everywhere
09:46<DeFender1031>hehe, this was easy and still took 5 hours :P
09:46<chikita_g>wow interesting
09:46<lkolbe>Hi! Is it possible to compile Xen with the linux-2.6.22 source-package?
09:46<seanius>you know what wireless card you have?
09:46<lkolbe>ie. domU-support into linux-2.6.22?
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09:47<seanius>lkolbe: maybe try #debian-xen?
09:47<DeFender1031>06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
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09:47<lkolbe>seanius, oh, thanks :)
09:47<DeFender1031>i tried apting the drivers for it
09:47<seanius>did you enable non-free and get the firmware too?
09:47<gsimmons>!tell DeFender1031 -about ipw3945
09:48<DeFender1031>gsimmons, i did that
09:48<DeFender1031>i think
09:48<DeFender1031>hang on let me check
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09:49<seanius>also make sure the drivers are for the right kernel version
09:49<DeFender1031>yes, all my lines in there have non-free in them
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09:49<DeFender1031>seanius, they are
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09:50<seanius>does iwconfig find any devices?
09:51<seanius>how about lsmod | grep ipw3945
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09:53<lupine>is ipw3945d running?
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09:53<seanius>it should start automatically when the module is loaded
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09:53<DeFender1031>seanius, nothing
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09:54<DeFender1031>lupine, how do i tell?
09:54<seanius>DeFender1031: try modprobe ipw3945
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09:54<lupine>DeFender1031: pay attention to seanius :)
09:54<Kelpie-VMW>So I dd the debian image onto my USB drive and it looks great, right? Now when I boot it tells me that it cannot boot into debian because it cannot find the kernal image something like /vmlinuz
09:54[~]seanius has one of those cards in his dell d620
09:54<Kelpie-VMW>It takes so long to boot into windows and I just forgot what the kernal image was called.
09:54<DeFender1031>root: {1} [6:00pm] /home/danf> modprobe ipw3945
09:54<DeFender1031>Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
09:55<lupine>Kelpie-VMW: grub has tab-completion
09:55<seanius>okay, then you should have a wireless device now
09:55<harpal>I have one packet libxext6 (1.0.3-2) it doesnt seems to be installing and when I try to install other packages than it first starts to install it again than how can I remove that or just tell apt-get that to not install it
09:55<seanius>i'm surprised it didn't just auto-detect that
09:55<Kelpie-VMW>What do you mean, lupine?
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09:55<lupine>grub. the bootloader. it has tab completion
09:55<Kelpie-VMW>WHat about it?
09:56<DeFender1031>seanius, iwconfig still picks up nothing
09:56<lupine>if you type vm<tab>, it'll show you the available kernel images
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09:56<Kelpie-VMW>SO you mean I have it, but it just doesn't find it?
09:56<seanius>DeFender1031: can you paste the output of dmesg then?
09:56<Kelpie-VMW>But I remember the linuz part because it was not linux.
09:56<lupine>well, if you haven't loaded the kernel image onto the USB drive, then you're pretty screwed
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09:56<lupine>if you have, then it's on there
09:56<Kelpie-VMW>I thought it came with it.
09:56<lupine>DeFender1031: RF kill switch?
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09:57<Kelpie-VMW>You mean to tell me I have to do more work even after 6 days of trying to find a Linux distro.
09:57<DeFender1031>lupine, RF?
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09:57<seanius>lupine: heh... yeah i've done that
09:57<DeFender1031>!/msg dpkg paste
09:57<lupine>ah, fair enough. That got me several times :D
09:57<Kelpie-VMW>The .img file is debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-USB.IMG
09:57<lupine>Kelpie-VMW: if you used the installer, it should have installed a kernel in /boot
09:58<Kelpie-VMW>I thought the kernel came with it.
09:58<seanius>it's usually like fn-f2 or something . but the device should still show up
09:58<Kelpie-VMW>I just dd'd the image onto my USB drive like the wikipedia howto told me a rebooted and loaded from the USB Drive like the wikipedia howto told me
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09:58<Kelpie-VMW>I didn't even get past the first thing you see when it loads!
09:59<lupine>ah, you're trying to install from a USB device?
09:59<Kelpie-VMW>onto the USB drive
09:59<Kelpie-VMW>It's suppose work as a live debian USB drive.
09:59<lupine>so you're not trying to install it
09:59<Kelpie-VMW>And the howto says it should be ready after I did the dd part.
09:59<Kelpie-VMW>I'm not trying to install it
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09:59<Kelpie-VMW>but it keeps bugging me about that missing kernel image
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10:00<lupine>right. bugged image? it sounds like the bootloader got installed correctly
10:00<seanius>DeFender1031: it really looks like it found a wireless defice
10:00<lupine>what source are you working from?
10:00<DeFender1031>seanius, hmm, odd
10:01<jifix>how can i check my disk for errors?
10:01<DeFender1031>iwconfig is still coming up null
10:01<gsimmons>DeFender1031: Just to confirm, you do have the firmware installed on your system? ("dpkg -l firmware-ipw3945").
10:01<lupine>jifix: fsck
10:01<Kelpie-VMW>Thats what I'm working with.
10:01<Kelpie-VMW>It's already on the drive
10:01<lupine>Kelpie-VMW: fascinating. where did you get it from, and what wiki are you following?
10:01<DeFender1031>gsimmons, apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 is same thing right?
10:02<Kelpie-VMW>It didn't even tell me what kyl told me about you should not mount your USB drive inorder to use the dd command.
10:02<Kelpie-VMW>It took 3 days to get that answer to find out why nothing is happening when I use dd.
10:02<seanius>using dd while the device is mounted will lead to... interesting results...
10:03<Kelpie-VMW>Nothing happens.
10:03<Kelpie-VMW>Besides when I did ls it looked like when you open an image file in word.
10:03<lupine>hmm. 4.0r0-rc1 sounds pretty old... 4.0r1 got released recently?
10:03<Kelpie-VMW>I just got it 3 days ago.
10:03<Kelpie-VMW>And it took 8 hours to download.
10:04<gsimmons>DeFender1031: Not exactly. Just interested in the state of that package. You should have 'ii' listed if it's installed.
10:04<lupine>fascinating. But if I download linux 1.0 now, that doesn't mean it's up to date
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10:04<lupine> ?
10:04<Kelpie-VMW>is that for USB, though?
10:04<jifix>thanks lunatic
10:04<jifix>thanks lupine
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10:04<lupine>not certain. It seems likely
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10:05<lupine>that's not 4.0r1, though
10:05<Kelpie-VMW>plus a d
10:05<lupine>yeah, I saw that. it's a release candidate
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10:05<Kelpie-VMW>I want to load from USB so I can take it everywhere and have all my stuff on it.
10:05<Kelpie-VMW>8GBs of space
10:05<lupine>and you dd'd to /dev/sd[a-z], not /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] ?
10:06<Kelpie-VMW>I dd'd to /dev/sdb
10:06<lupine>mm, that's right
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10:06<DeFender1031>gsimmons, oh, well it's installed
10:06<Kelpie-VMW>Because /dev/sdb1 is a directory
10:06<Kelpie-VMW>According to dd
10:07<vir182>I use Unstable. somehow i think i missed something when i wanted to install Xen. There is no "xen kernel image" for Dom0. And i can find no such package in the repository. does anyont know how i can install xen on unstable?
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10:07<the-dude>vir182, I have great succes with the tarball from xensource
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10:08<seanius>dpkg: tell vir182 about xen
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10:08<vir182>the-dude: can i create a linux-kernel-image debian package with it?
10:08<the-dude>no it comes with a dom0 kernel
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10:09<vir182>seanius: thx
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10:10<Kelpie-VMW>I don't understand why it said it couldn't find the vmlinuz image, lupine. It's right there infront of my eyes.
10:10<Kelpie-VMW>but it doesn't have a file extension.
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10:11<lupine>well, that's normal. so you've mounted the usb drive to have a look?
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10:11<Kelpie-VMW>eh not in Ubuntu under VMWare... Just Windows.
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10:11<Kelpie-VMW>Because I'm too lazy to screw with UBuntu and it's quirkyness in detecting it.
10:11<lupine>/vmlinuz is probably a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-<version>. maybe it's a broken symlink?
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10:11<lupine>or a broken grub that won't follow the symlink
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10:12<Kelpie-VMW>There isn't much on here to be honest.
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10:12<Kelpie-VMW>I would have expected more.
10:12<wishie>why is there no kaffeine-gstreamer package anymore ?
10:13<Kelpie-VMW>Here, lemme go to it on here and do an ls and put in
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10:16<DeFender1031>gsimmons, so?
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10:18<Kelpie-VMW>Alright, lupine:
10:19<Kelpie-VMW>That's not very much.
10:19<Kelpie-VMW>Maybe I'm missing something here.
10:19<DeFender1031>hmm, maybe rebooting will help?
10:20<lupine>filesystem.squashfs will be huge, and contain... well... the filesystem
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10:20<seanius>DeFender1031: did you install anything since last reboot?
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10:21<Kelpie-VMW>but why is it not seeing /vmlinuz
10:21<DeFender1031>seanius, i might have installed a newer version...
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10:21<DeFender1031>whatever, i need to reboot anyway for something else that i did
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10:21<DeFender1031>be back in a minute
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10:21<lupine>I don't know. maybe the bootloader is looking on the wrong drive?
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10:23<Kelpie-VMW>That is truely something plausable... even though it is booted from the USB drive.
10:23<Kelpie-VMW>Because I made it boot from USB drive in the BIOS.
10:23<Kelpie-VMW>it's strange though
10:24<wishie>i cannot for the life of me get totem or kaffeine to work at all in debian. kaffeine seems to complain about the xine engine (xine works fine by itself) and totem just wont load. mplayer however, is fine..
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10:27<seanius>wishie: sadly i have had the same experiences
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10:27<Kelpie-VMW>I have to go
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10:27<Kelpie-VMW>See you guys.
10:27<seanius>i usually use vlc when i can help it, otherwise fallb ack to mplayer for the more exotic formats
10:27<Kelpie-VMW>I will come back tonight!
10:28<miksuh>totem works just fine here
10:28<DeFender1031>seanius, now iwconfig gives me something
10:28<DeFender1031>what does that mean?
10:28<acritchlow>hi all, can anyone help me with lpd and lpr? I have plugged my printer into debian and installed lpd but its not printing, I get /dev/lp0: no such file or directory? Yet I can't seem to be able to find what device it is assigned to?
10:28<lupine>poor guy
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10:28<miksuh>acritchlow: why don't you just use cups?
10:29<acritchlow>I will do but I want to get lpd working
10:30<wishie>seanius: surely this is a big problem though.. 2 video players in debian dont function at all
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10:31<lupine>wishie: kaffeine-with-xine works well here
10:31<DeFender1031>seanius, hmm, well we fixed two things
10:31<wishie>lupine: the xine part doesnt seem to function at all for me. yet xine itself works
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10:32<DeFender1031>you want to help me get it to recognize my docking station?
10:32<wishie>lupine: what package versions of libxine1 and kaffeine are you using ?
10:32<lupine>that is peculiar, but I can't really offer any debugging help :/
10:33<lupine>libxine1: 1.1.7-1. kaffeine: 0.8.3-1 (lenny)
10:33<lupine>well, lenny with some unstable, a bit of experimental and a few external repositories
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10:34<seanius>wishie: feel free to file bug reports and provide patches
10:34<miksuh>well lenny is testing and it's possible it has bugs
10:34<wishie>seanius: i will give it a go
10:34<DeFender1031>seanius, know anything about hp docking stations?
10:34<miksuh>and not just possible :)
10:34<wishie>and as for totem, it doesnt even display a gui at all.
10:35<wishie>if i run "totem" in an xterm, it just sits there.
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10:35<seanius>DeFender1031: not especially. my experience is that stuff like ethernet and usb "just work", but the x config gets a little messy
10:36<wishie>lupine: i have 1.1.7-3 of libxine1 and 0.8.5-1 of kaffeine
10:36<DeFender1031>seanius, well the ethernet and usb DO just work... and audio doesn't
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10:36<lupine>wishie: sid...?
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10:36<DeFender1031>but it'd be cool to get the audio working too
10:36<wishie>yeah, its sid.
10:37<wishie>this has been a sid box since... forever.
10:37<wishie>never had this much disaster though
10:37<cahoot>DeFender1031, how do you test sound?
10:37<DeFender1031>cahoot, what do you mean?
10:37<miksuh>wishie: if you are mixing lenny, unstalble, experiemntal and external repos then it is not any surprise everything is not working
10:37<seanius>DeFender1031: when you dock/undock does anything change in the output of dmesg?
10:37<wishie>ill try downgrading those packages
10:37<wishie>miksuh: im not mixing anything. its a pure sid install
10:37<miksuh>you said
10:37<DeFender1031>seanius, i could check but undocking would kill my connection for a second...
10:38<cahoot>DeFender1031, what app/method are you using to test your sound system?
10:38<DeFender1031>i'll do it in a bit
10:38<lupine>miksuh: I'm the one doing mixing :)
10:38<miksuh><lupine> well, lenny with some unstable, a bit of experimental and a few external repositories
10:38<DeFender1031>cahoot, you came in late, this is about docking, my regular sound works just fine.
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10:38<lupine>and everything is working
10:38<cahoot>DeFender1031, ok sorry disreagrd
10:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
10:39<DeFender1031>cahoot, not a problem... i don't even think it needs an apology
10:39<miksuh>lupine: ah, sorry
10:39<lupine>DeFender1031: maybe the dock is using sound on a different line-out device to when you're undocked?
10:39<DeFender1031>and just btw, my test method is whether sound comes out of the station's speakers or not
10:39<miksuh>it was wishie , not you who had problems :)
10:39<lupine>it's even possible (but very unlikely) that it's acting as a second sound card?
10:39<wishie>has problems :P
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10:40<DeFender1031>seanius, what's the multiple file compare command again?
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10:40<wishie>ok, downgrading kaffeine and libxine1, to see if that helps
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10:40<lupine>if it does help, then file a bug and someone will fix it :)
10:40<wishie>normally this machine doesnt need to do anything graphic (its my fileserver) but my main desktop machine is away getting repaired/upgraded
10:41<lupine>sid on the server? oO
10:41<wishie>not production :)
10:41<wishie>its a home file server
10:41<wishie>serves my media around the house.
10:41<wishie>fairly simple kernel/basic debian install/nfs type setup
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10:42<lupine>I've always used stable for servers - any server
10:43<wishie>there was a reason for it.. i just cant remember now..
10:43<wishie>i installed this sid install about... 5 years ago ?
10:43<seanius>DeFender1031: you mean diff ?
10:43<wishie>and just keep upgrading it every 6 months or so :P
10:43<wishie>it works!
10:44<wishie>simply downgrading kaffeine
10:44<lupine>cool. so you could do a diff against the two versions, find the bug, write a patch and submit it with your bug report if you were feeling 1337
10:45[~]seanius goes ~
10:46<wishie>its 1:45am, but ill give it a go :P
10:47<lupine>midnight hacking is the best
10:47[~]lupine was playing with irc-on-a-mobile at 4am
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10:47<juan>i have a question
10:47<juan>im so noob
10:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:48<DeFender1031>seanius, the only differences were 2 usb disconnects and an ethernet down
10:48<kevinl>i have an easy question. Can anyone recommend a media player for X11 that is particularly good for on-the-fly ID3 tag editing? Id like to gradually fix all my tags, like people do in itunes, at-will when I see something messed up
10:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:48<lupine>kevinl: I use amarok for tag editing
10:48<DeFender1031>the usbs are my wireless set
10:48<kevinl>lupine, is the etch package suitable?
10:49<lupine>yeah, it works fine
10:49<DeFender1031>seanius, so apparently it doesn't even know there's a sound system attached...
10:49<kevinl>ill check it out thx
10:49<Guest2172>i installed a package named FP(free pascal) and i used the command apt-get install fp, what should i do in order to use it
10:49<lupine>freepascal ftw!
10:49<Guest2172>i mean, is there any directory where i should go to open the package?
10:49<lupine>Guest2172: the compiler executable is called fpc
10:49<kevinl>!ask is annoying
10:49<dpkg>...but ask is already something else...
10:50<kevinl>its much more annoying than people just asking to ask
10:50<lupine>Guest2172: you probably want to install lazarus too
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10:50<Guest2172>nono, just free pascal
10:50<lupine>well, just fpc <file.pas> to compile it, I guess
10:50<kevinl>im so tired of this purist elitest IRC garbage
10:50<lupine>I don't know what you need to do with linking and the like
10:50<Guest2172>i need to know where to go once i use the commnad apt-get package, in order to use the program
10:51<lupine>kevinl: well, there's only one solution. set up your own IRC channel where nobody is allowed to be 1337
10:51<lupine>Guest2172: dpkg -L fp will show you every file installed by the package
10:51<kevinl>ya, i guess so
10:51<Guest2172>i know, but i dont know how to open the program once installed
10:51<lupine>just run it
10:52<Guest2172>i cant find it
10:52<lupine>it's a command-line compiler. The binary is called fpc. it's in your PATH
10:52<kevinl>jesus , amarok was 54 megabytes of shit in apt
10:52<lupine>lol. yep
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10:52<lupine>worth every jiggawatt
10:52<kevinl>does it sync ipods?
10:52<lupine>it can also make the tea
10:53<kevinl>sweet. now i get to wait while yet another media player indexes 100 gb of mp3s
10:53<Guest2172>i have the fp.deb file, what should i do in order tyo install ir
10:53<Guest2172>i really need to know please
10:53<lupine>Guest2172: dpkg -i, but why not use the ones in the debian repos?
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10:53<Agonie>The memory is Ok
10:54<lupine>fp-compiler fp-docs fp-units-* fp-utils fp-ide
10:54<Guest2172>ok, what part of i dont know anything didnt you understand?
10:54<Guest2172>im sorry for being that rude
10:54<lupine>you know what debian is?
10:54<lupine>you know what a repository is?
10:54<Guest2172>that is the only thing i know
10:55<Guest2172>but i dont even know how to get to the kernel or anything
10:55<lupine>hmm. I suggest you read a manual
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10:55<repair-man>is there a way to view a list of packages you've installed (that didn't come with the base install) like by using aptitude
10:55<Guest2172>i just was thrown by the very same evil into this world of doom
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10:55<Guest2172>where can i find a manual for dummies
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10:56<ines21>cúal es la última versión estable?
10:56<ines21>etch o lenny?
10:56<Guest2172>i dont know why you dont want to tell me how to install the package
10:56<lupine>Guest2172: - especially the wiki
10:56<lupine>Guest2172: I already did: dpkg -l
10:56<DeFender1031>repair-man, do you have kpackage?
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10:56<lupine>but it's not recommended unless you Know What You're Doing(tm)
10:57<lupine>no, dpkg -l
10:57<Guest2172>yes and then?
10:57<lupine>well. dpkg -l <file.deb>
10:57<lupine>erm, dpkg -i <file.deb>
10:57<Guest2172>i see
10:57<ines21>what is the latest debian stable version?
10:57<Guest2172>i really appreciate that
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10:57<lupine>but you don't know anything about, for instance, dependencies, so it's likely you're going to break something by trying
10:57<Guest2172>is there anything like a notepad in debian?
10:57<lupine>ines21: etch is stable
10:57<repair-man>DeFender1031: no ill grab that
10:58<DeFender1031>okay... well once you do, theres a tab at the top that says "installed"
10:58<lupine>Guest2172: loads of plain-text editors. If you have KDE, i'd recommend kate
10:58<lupine>I'm not sure what gnome has
10:59<Guest2172>mmmm whats the diference between lupine> well. dpkg -l <file.deb>dpkg -i <file.deb>
10:59<ines21>what is the latest debian stable version?
10:59<ines21>what is the latest debian stable version, please?
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11:00<lupine>dpkg -l == lower-case
11:00<dpkg>No packages found matching == lower-case
11:00<Guest2172>i mean the l or the i makes the difference?
11:00<lupine>dpkg -l == lower-case L
11:00<dpkg>ii == lower-case L 3.7-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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11:00<lupine>-i is a lower-case I (h i j)
11:00<lupine>bad bot
11:00<Guest2172>what is a lower case?
11:00<lupine>A: upper-case. a: lower-case
11:00<ines21>what is the latest debian stable version, please?
11:00<Guest2172>ooo i see
11:00<Guest2172>im sorry
11:00<Guest2172>i was not familiarized with that term
11:01<ines21>ok thanks lupine
11:01<Guest2172>but well, my english is not that bad isnt it?
11:01<lupine>Guest2172: np :). But I'll repeat, you should read the manual before you start installing programs manually
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11:01<Guest2172>what is the worst thing that could happen
11:01<lupine>the absolute worst? in this case, you waste some time on a package you can't get working
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11:02<Guest2172>ooo i see, thats quite usefull
11:02<lupine>debian has repositories full of software that you can install automatically - including fpc
11:02<Guest2172>the manual you just gave me
11:02<Guest2172>mmm ok
11:03<lupine>rather than using an external package, you're generally better off using the debian-provided packages
11:03<Guest2172>well let me tell you that im currently studying at first year of system engeneering
11:03<lupine>so you know the importance of reading a manual and taking your time
11:03<Guest2172>is it useful debian for someone like me?
11:03<lupine>good for you
11:03<lupine>what you study says surprisingly little about who you are
11:04<lupine>and I must --------> work
11:04<lupine>good luck
11:04<Guest2172>i did not tell you that with that meaning
11:04<Guest2172>i was just saying
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11:05<Guest2172>that i wanted yto know if debian would be uselful for soemone like me
11:05<Guest2172>or not, because i been told that red hat offers the same possibilities as debian, and its quite easier is that right?
11:06<wishie>there are many gnu/linux distros
11:06<wishie>each has its pros and cons
11:07<wishie>some like debian, due to its policy guidelines. some like ubuntu for its..i dont know.. some like gentoo for its "optimization possiblities" etc
11:07<wishie>all in all, its up to you, which one you want to use.
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11:09<Guest2172>ooo i se
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11:10<Guest2172>but, tell me, what are the professional uses you can give to debian
11:10<Guest2172>which are the advantages that debian offers over windows for a work enviroment
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11:10<wishie>well, as all other linux distros.. it can be a web/file/print/mail server etc
11:11<wishie>audio applications, video editing.. but these things are debian-centric.
11:11<wishie>debian is a great distro, with a long history, and many other good distros have been based on debian.
11:12<Guest2172>ok, and know i would like to know something
11:12<Guest2172>i have a fp.deb file
11:12<Guest2172>i would like to install ir
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11:12<Guest2172>how can i do it
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11:12<Guest2172>because i havent been able to install any package since the moment i installed debian
11:13<wishie>are you sure its for debian ? and not ubuntu, or some other distro that supports .deb file ?
11:13<Guest2172>not because of that
11:13<Guest2172>because i dont know how to do it
11:13<wishie>you want the Free Pascal Compiler, right ?
11:13<Guest2172>i dont even know the command to make it possible
11:14<Guest2172>thats right
11:14<Inty>dpkg -i fp.deb
11:14[~]dpkg removes a lung from inty and replaces it with fp.deb
11:14<wishie>well, as stated above, you _should_ RTFM. As a nice hint.. you should use the package in debian itself.
11:14[~]Inty strokes dpkg
11:15<Guest2172>im a student at the national technologyc university (Argentina) have you heard of it? its called UTN
11:15<wishie>for this, you use 'apt-get' ... try 'apt-get install fp-compiler'
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11:15<Guest2172>mmm i already have the .deb file
11:15<Guest2172>i would like to do it manually
11:16<Inty>dpkg -i fp.deb
11:16[~]dpkg installs fp.deb into inty's head with a bone saw and a few screws
11:16<Inty>that's how you do it manually
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11:16<wishie>apt-get is a command line way of automatically installing binary dbian packages (and their dependencies).
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11:16<wishie>Guest2172: use 'dpkg -i file.deb' to do it manually.
11:16<Guest2172>ok, but how do i do to open the free pascal compiler
11:16<wishie>but using apt-get, and using debians provided package is a better way
11:16<Guest2172>where is the directory of installed programs?
11:17<wishie>fpc is the name of the binary
11:17<Guest2172>yes so?
11:18<Guest2172>how do i do to install it properly?
11:18<wishie>open a terminal (xterm, konsole, gnome-terminal etc) and run fpc
11:18<Guest2172>hows that
11:18<wishie>if you ran the dpkg -i command, its now installed.
11:18<Guest2172>could you explain it a little better
11:18<Guest2172>the way in which you execute an application in debian?
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11:19<wishie>it depends on the program
11:19<Guest2172>where is that console? im using the root terminal
11:19<wishie>some are GUI applications, and will appear in the menu of your window manager.
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11:19<wishie>and some are command-line applications.
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11:20<Guest2172>i know
11:20<Guest2172>to execute fp
11:20<Guest2172>how do i do
11:20<Guest2172>please help me
11:20<wishie>open a terminal window...
11:20<wishie>and type "fpc" in it
11:20<Guest2172>i already did
11:21<Guest2172>a list showed up
11:21<wishie>you might also want the IDE for it though..
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11:21<Guest2172>thats right
11:21<Guest2172>its already installed
11:21<wishie>which, you can get from debian repositories with 'apt-get install fp-ide'
11:22<wishie>there is also the "GNU Pascal Compiler"
11:22<Guest2172>is that necessary?
11:22<cyt>When installing Etch, one can use "auto url=autoserver" to do automatic installs, but the install prcoess is text-based. How do I let it show GUI, like what 'installgui' option provided.
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11:23<Guest2172>ok just tell me how to run the regular ide
11:23<wishie>the binary is called "fp" i think
11:23<wishie>so you'd open a terminal window, and type in 'fp'
11:24<wishie>to find more info, use the programs man page..
11:24<Guest2172>THANK YOU VERY MUCH
11:24<wishie>'man fp'
11:24<wishie>or 'man fpc'
11:24<Guest2172>im so excited
11:24<wishie>you should get used to using apt-get though
11:24<wishie>its invaluable
11:25<Guest2172>oo i see
11:25<wishie>and always read the man pages..
11:25<Guest2172>and also another thing
11:25<wishie>they are very helpful, and let you know things about the program, including cmd-line switches
11:25<Guest2172>when i use apt-get install package, it installs automatically right?
11:25<wishie>and it installs that programs dependencies too
11:25<Guest2172>and then the binary gets positioned in the bin/usr directory?
11:26<wishie>well, depends again on the package/program
11:26<wishie>in most cases, id say /usr/bin/ , yes.
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11:27<wishie>you can always run the following.. dpkg -L packagename|grep bin
11:27<Guest2172>oooooo i see
11:27<wishie>try 'dpkg -L fp|grep bin'
11:27<Guest2172>i have two problems
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11:27<Guest2172>when i press alt+ctrl+f8 i get access to the black screen
11:27<wishie>or look at the package contents on
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11:27<Guest2172>i put the root username
11:28<Guest2172>and then when the SO asks for the password, im not able to right it
11:28<wishie>you shouldnt use root account, unless you really NEED to
11:28<Guest2172>do you know whats the problem there?
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11:28<witte>Guest2172: you are probably writing the pasword, there are just no "*" signs
11:28<Guest2172>mmm i see
11:29<Guest2172>when should i use a root account?
11:29<witte>Guest2172: an other possibility could be that in console you have a different keyboard layout (e.g. us)
11:29<wishie>only when you NEED to. for doing things a regular user isnt permitted to do.
11:30<wishie>im not about debian these days, but does it come with sudo installed ? or must it be manually installed ?
11:30<Guest2172>ooo how do i do to change the keyboard layout, because i cant use the ascii code either
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11:30<dpkg>i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it
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11:31<witte>I do not think sudo is standard in debian
11:31<wishie>i use debian all the time. havent installed it in years though. heh
11:33<Guest2172>then i guess you could tell me with my keyboard isnt working properly
11:33<Guest2172>i cant use the assci symbols
11:33<Guest2172>how do i change the keyboard layout
11:34<Guest2172>id really would like to knwo
11:34<wishie>it just work in a console for me. in X however, it doesnt.
11:34<wishie>and i dont really know, sorry.
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11:35<Guest2172>ok,another question
11:35<Guest2172>gnome by default runs debian at the begining
11:35<fxiny>Guest2172: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
11:35<Guest2172>is there a way i can run windows by default
11:36<Guest2172>because of my family
11:36<wishie>gnome ?
11:36<wishie>you mean GRUB ?
11:36<witte>Guest2172: for X, you need to do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
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11:36<Guest2172>mmm the program that lets you chose between windows and linux at the beginning
11:36<leconkairant>hi all$
11:36<witte>Guest2172: install gdm or kdm for loging into a graphic environment
11:37<Guest2172>i mean choose, im sorry for the misspelling
11:37<wishie>Guest2172: you mean GRUB
11:37<witte>Guest2172: ah, ignore my last remark
11:37<fxiny>edit grub menu.lst
11:37<wishie>when you first turn the PC on ?
11:37<leconkairant>do anyone know siphon ? a network map scanner ?
11:37<Guest2172>ok, where can i find that
11:37<fxiny>in boot
11:37<Guest2172>how do i get to that file
11:37<wishie>Guest2172: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:37<Guest2172>im sorry im quite of a noob
11:38<wishie>i would suggest reading up about grub before you start editing that file
11:38<Guest2172>ok, i just found it
11:39<Guest2172>tell me what should i edit in order to acomplish that
11:39<Guest2172>i want to run windows by default
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11:40<Guest2172>i have windows xp
11:40<Guest2172>and debian
11:40<wishie>have a read of that.
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11:40<wishie>what you are after, is in the "Installing GRUB" section
11:41<Guest2172>and also a third entry that says debian(singular user) or somethign like that, do you know whats the difference?
11:41<Guest2172>between the singular and the normal one?
11:41<leconkairant>do anyone know siphon ? a network map scanner ? please i need a piece of help
11:41<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:41<wishie>yeah, dont use the single user one unless you NEED to (not very often)
11:42<Guest2172>whats for?
11:42<witte>Guest2172: single user is for specific maintenance purposes
11:42<leconkairant>this program use a log file in argument but i don't know how write the information in this log file
11:43<witte>Guest2172: it is for major crash recovory and things like that
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11:45<leconkairant>do anyone know a channel to takl about white hat, exploit, backdoors ...
11:45<Guest2172>just tell me how to edit the menu.lst in order to set windows as the default SO
11:47<leconkairant>noone ?
11:48<fxiny>wasi it called moocow or moocows ?
11:48<JasonS>leconkairant: patience
11:48<the-dude>leconkairant, just start reading about it :)
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11:49<fxiny>i've been there only once but plenty of hats : flying hats ...
11:49<JasonS>leconkairant: have you looked on google? im sure its covered quite nicely there
11:49<JasonS>fxiny: that anything like flying monkeys?
11:49<leconkairant>yes i looked but nothing
11:49<fxiny>JasonS: i've seen tails yeahhh : monkey tails ?
11:49<leconkairant>thx the dud i'll look it
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11:50<leconkairant>fxiny where ( server ) i can find it
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11:50<fxiny>hajvan: and some monkey's on juice driving some funny lorry : some red some yellow
11:51<leconkairant>(sry i'm new on irc and my english S: )
11:51<fxiny>JasonS: and some monkey's on juice driving some funny lorry : some red some yellow
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11:52<leconkairant>fxiny where (server) i cant find it ?
11:52<fxiny>leconkairant: moocows is on oftc : i'de better stop before some ops will *officially* invite me to join moocows :)
11:53<leconkairant>not mocows but flying hat ^^
11:53<JasonS>leconkairant: serioulsy you couldnt find anythign on white hats, exploits, backdoors on google?
11:53<Guest2172>how do i edit the gnow.lst
11:54<Guest2172>i mean the menu.lst
11:54<leconkairant>i would like tonf find some people who know siphon to know how can i use it
11:54<wishie>Guest2172: you want to change the "default 0" to whatever your windows entry is
11:54<fxiny>siphon ? never heard of nmap ?
11:54<leconkairant>and i think white hat community can know it
11:54<leconkairant>yes it's not the same kid of programme
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11:55<fxiny>datanerds ? very leet :P
11:55<JasonS>hey i just find em i dont name em
11:55<leconkairant>YES i know it but i have a problem ad i need someone to help me ....
11:56<JasonS>leconkairant: did you ask them?
11:56<leconkairant>look the date of the site
11:56<leconkairant>no update since
11:56<JasonS>seeing as its not in debian this isn't exactly a good place to look for help
11:57<JasonS>so what if theres been no updates, doesn't mean its dead
11:57<witte>leconkairant: if a network/security thing is not updated in 7 years, it is a good idea to look somewhere else for a replacemnet
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11:57<fxiny>tutankamon never had update since ages : is he alive ?
11:58<oskie>can anyone think of any software in debian that would connect to IRC (undernet) automatically, to update itself or something?
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11:59<leconkairant>i juste thorst someone here could help me but i will find with another way doesn't mind
11:59<leconkairant>see you
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12:00<kop>oskie: You use lsof to find a program like that if you think there's one on your system. Maybe.
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12:01<RottNE>hello all
12:01<RottNE>is that a command i can run in debian to recieve system specs?
12:01<oskie>kop: yeah but firewall blocks the connections so I guess they're closed immediately
12:02<witte>RottNE: which specs do you want
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12:02<oskie>kop: ah I found it!
12:02<kop>RottNE: /proc/meminfo /proc/cpu /proc/ide/*
12:03<kop>RottNE: Oh, sorry, those are files. You have to cat them. Or use lspci and lsusb to find out some stuff about disks.
12:03<oskie>f**k, this system is infected.... process connect to irc is /var/tmp/.asl/sendmail
12:03<witte>RottNE: there are also gui utilities to that, (don't remember the name right now)
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12:03<RottNE>kop: thanks for the information anyways
12:04<RottNE>witte: i dont have a gui for my debian 3.1 installation... \
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12:04<kop>RottNE: Just look in the files with cat or whatever.
12:04<wishie>cat /proc/cpuinfo will give cpu stats
12:05<RottNE>wishie: thank you, that is what i needed for cpu stats
12:05<kop>wishie: Right. I got it wrong. I'm totally dependent upon the tab key.
12:05<wishie>running that on this system makes me want to cry :P
12:05<wishie>and the command "free" will tell you about memory usage
12:05<wishie>sort of like cat /proc/meminfo i guess
12:06<wishie>there is phpsysinfo which shows all these stats on a web page too
12:06<RottNE>wishie: thank you for all the information, now what about hdd stats?
12:07<RottNE>df -h?
12:07<wishie> <-- example of phpsysinfo
12:07<wishie>df -h whill show you hdd sizes and usage etc..
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12:07<witte>RottNE: smartmontools will show you everything on your harddisk
12:07<RottNE>wishie: thank you, that is all my questions... for now >:)
12:07<the-dude>RottNE, try dmi-decode
12:08<kop>RottNE: There's details on the hardware in /proc/ also. /proc/ide/ if you've ide drives, other places if you've scsi drives.
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12:08<witte>RottNE: but hdparm as well i guess
12:08<kop>RottNE: Or vmstat or iostat for information on usage.
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12:09<RottNE>well thank you all for this great information... /copy and pastes ;)
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12:13<wishie>here is a bit of a general question.. are _most_ everyday desktop things working in debian 64 bit ? is flash still a problem ?
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12:15<RottNE>what would i type to find out what interface hdb1 uses
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12:15<RottNE>im such a linux noob :(
12:15<wishie>what do you mean, what interface ?
12:15<wishie>as in , IDE, SCSI etc ?
12:15<berto>hda hdb hdc and hdd are IDE
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12:16<kop>RottNE: You might find the either the install or the reference manual at a good place to start. It's got answers to your questions.
12:16<RottNE>berto: thank you, i undestand now
12:16<RottNE>kop: i will definately do that. thank you
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12:29<wishie>just trying out smartmontoold as mentioned above
12:29<wishie>some of my drives make some _nasty_ noises when i start a selftest
12:29<wishie>but the good thing is, the report to be ok.
12:30<RottNE>do you have the report yet?
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12:31<wishie>im only running '-t short' at the moment
12:31<RottNE>was it ok?
12:31<wishie>got many drives to run.. yeah, all drives are ok so far
12:31<wishie>gonna get some new SATA-2 drives tomorrow anyway
12:32<wishie>this fileserver has a mixture of IDE and SATA, and some are ancient.
12:32<RottNE>how do i now what interface the a raid array is using?
12:32<RottNE>its mounded as md0
12:32<wishie>oh man, 46016 hrs
12:32<wishie>id say thats one of the older drives.
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12:33<jungla>Hi, on debian lenny, Is it possible that after an X update my nvidia driver still load but 3d accelleration doesn't work?!
12:34<Eulex>yes. did you upgrade your kernel? did you rebuild your nvidia kernel module for the new one?
12:34<wishie>did the X update, update the xorg.conf file ?
12:34<guillaume>how to specify a filename for a command begining by - ?
12:35<jungla>wishie, no. My xorg.conf is still the same
12:35<wishie>guillaume: escpade the - with \ i guess
12:35<wishie>escape too
12:36<Eulex>wishie, modinfo nvidia as root to see whether it's installed for the current kernel.
12:36<wishie>oh man, some of these drives sound aweful.
12:36<wishie>if i was going by sound alone, id say they have _minutes_ left to live.
12:36<guillaume>wishie: it fail
12:36<Stereo>guillaume: ls ./-foo
12:36<Eulex>oh, that one above was directed at jungla.
12:36<guillaume>the file is taken as an argument
12:36<jungla>eulex: I think my kernel is still the same, did It upgrade last month?
12:37<wishie>guillaume: command \-blah
12:37<wishie>it takes it as an argument ?
12:37<wishie>how about if its quoted ?
12:37<RottNE>how would i find out more details or a raid array, ie: how many disks and their sizes?
12:37<guillaume>Stereo: thk u
12:37<Eulex>jungla, I think so, 2.6.21 came into lenny.
12:37<Stereo>wishie: what I said :)
12:37<Stereo>guillaume: de rien
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12:38<jungla>eulex: ok, but nvidia module load correctly...
12:38<Eulex>jungla, ok, check your X log then
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12:40<jungla>tail of xorg.log give me no error
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12:40<jungla>that above for Eulex
12:40<RottNE>how would i find out more details or a raid array, ie: how many disks and their sizes?
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12:41<Eulex>jungla, look in the fulle one of it, look for (WW), (EE), dri, direct and similar
12:42<jungla>Eulex: ok, listen:
12:42<jungla>(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X
12:42<jungla>(EE) NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X
12:42<jungla>(EE) NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If
12:42<jungla>(EE) NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try
12:42<jungla>(EE) NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
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12:43<wishie>hmm, 180hrs ago, one of my disks had an error..
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12:43<Eulex>!tell jungla about pastebin
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12:44<jungla>Eulex: ok, sorry. What is pastebin?
12:44<Eulex>jungla, dpkg just told you about it
12:45<wishie>ok, new drives in the morning, definately..heh
12:45<wishie>night all.
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12:46<seanius>DeFender1031: are you sure it doesn't just use the line-out of your current sound card?
12:47<DeFender1031>no, i'm not
12:48<jungla>that's right?
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12:48<seanius>wishie: you know you're using a super-old version of php right?
12:49<seanius>DeFender1031: that would be my guess, but i'm not entirely sure
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12:53<RottNE>df -h
12:53<wishie>seanius: yeah.
12:53<RottNE>woops... sorry wrong window
12:53<wishie>as i said, its basically a fileserver. its more of an appliance than anything else. i press the power button, and i have files. heh
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12:54<wishie>and the very limited use the PHP gets, is for crappy scripts i wrote years ago, which i am sure will break with php5
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12:54<wishie>but as its a home box, and does nothing but share files really, i dont care :)
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12:55<juan>how do you call the program that manages which SO is gonna boot??
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12:57<RottNE>possibly Lilo
12:57<RottNE>its called a boot loader
12:57<wishie>GRand Unified Bootloader i believe.
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12:57<wishie>but yes, possibly LILO too
12:58<wishie>night again
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12:58<Guest2176>i need to edit the menu.lst file
12:58<Guest2176>in order to make windows my default boot SO
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12:59<Guest2176>what do i have to edit in order to acomplish that?
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12:59<Guest2176>tell me please
12:59<Guest2176>what do i have to edit
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12:59<Guest2176>which line
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13:01<ricky>!tell Guest2176 about dual boot guide
13:01<kop>Guest2176: /boot/boot/grub/menu.1st (IIRC) There is a "default" line that says which image is default. Start counting from 0.
13:01<kop>Is hotplug totally replaced by udev or is it still used for some devices?
13:02<Guest2176>## default grub root device
13:02<Guest2176>## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
13:02<Guest2176># groot=(hd0,1)
13:02<Guest2176>is that the line?
13:02<kop>Guest2176: No.
13:02<Guest2176>## default num
13:02<Guest2176># Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
13:02<Guest2176># the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used
13:02<Guest2176>this one?
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13:03<kop>Guest2176: Yes. But you need to worry about the comments.....
13:03<Guest2176>could you explain me a little bit which changes i have to make?
13:03<kop>Guest2176: You need a line that says : default 0
13:03<Guest2176>i would need windows to boot as the default SO
13:04<kop>Guest2176: No pound signs. (If the 0th choice at boot is Windows, which is probably isn't.)
13:04<Guest2176>if i touch something that i shouldnt could that cause the SO not to boot at all?
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13:04<kop>Guest2176: Yes...... You can boot Windows as one of your choices, right?
13:04<Guest2176># array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
13:04<Guest2176>default 0
13:05<Guest2176>is that the line?
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13:06<kop>Guest2176: Yes, but which menu item at boot lets you start MS Windows?
13:06<Guest2176>should i change default 0 for default 4?
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13:06<Guest2176>windows is the 4th option
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13:06<kop>Guest2176: Then you need to say "default 3" because grub counts with the first as #0.
13:06<Guest2176>ooo i see
13:06<patricio>hey guys, I am trying access a DVD+R disc that I have recorded from a VHS recorder, and it is telling me that is write protected, why it is telling me that I dont know and I could really use some advice on how to watch the track that I recorded. I am using Lenny, 2.6.18-4-686
13:07<Guest2176>ok, ill restart the computer just to be sure
13:07<Guest2176>so the entry would be N-1 right=??
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13:08<kop>Guest2176: Right. You may want to read the readmes or other docs in /usr/share/doc/grub or the "info grub" page or something. (Or the doc link somebody supplied above.)
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13:08<Guest2176>thank you very much for your help
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13:08<patricio>Am I on my own on this one?
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13:09<kop>Guest2176: I'm frightened of MS Windows, and so always use the MS Windows boot loader in the MBR and then put grub into the partition where I installed linux and then config them to switch back and forth. But I forget how to use the MS bootloader.
13:09<kop>patricio: There's something called dvdbackup (iirc). You might find it on debian-multimedia.
13:10<kop>patricio: That might help, or maybe not.
13:10<patricio>kop: kinda makes you raise your eyebrow huh?
13:12<kop>patricio: All I know for sure is that I don't want to lose my dvd if the media goes bad. So I made a backup, but have never actually tried to play it or burn it or anything so I've not really done my homework.
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13:12<fxiny>patricio: what command are you runing ?
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13:13<patricio>I am not trying to burn it, just access it. In Winderz using Nero, I can see that the track is there, but in the players it says that there is nothing there
13:13<patricio>fxiny: not running anything....can you advise?
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13:13<juan__>hey kop
13:14<fxiny>patricio: try dvd;//1 or 2 like : mplayer dvd://1 -fs -zoom -af volume=10 -dvd-device /dev/hdc
13:14<juan__>i changed the menu.lst line that says default 0 for default 3, but when i try to save it says that i am not allowed to save the file
13:15<juan__>do you know what the problem is?
13:15<kop>juan__: You need to be 'root' to modify that file. So in your command window type "su -" (without quotes) to be root.
13:15<kop>juan__: Then "exit" will get you back to normal.
13:15<juan__>in the terminal?
13:16<kop>juan__: yes.
13:16<juan__>su and my username?
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13:16<kop>juan__: No, just "su -"
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13:16<kop>juan__: "su - root" would work too.
13:16[~]fxiny waits to collect another root password ...
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13:17<patricio>fxiny: tells me file not can I access the dvd disc to see what the track is?
13:17<juan__>i mean
13:17<fxiny>patricio: mount it : mount /media/cdrom
13:17<juan__>i put that in the terminal
13:17<juan__>everything seems to be ok
13:17<juan__>but when i go to the menu.lst file
13:17<kop>juan__: If your prompt has changed from $ to # then you are root.
13:17<juan__>and try to save it, it keeps saying that im not allowed to do it
13:18<juan__><juan__> and try to save it, it keeps saying that im not allowed to do it
13:18<patricio>fxiny: darn thing tells me it is is that?
13:18<kop>juan__: So, you type "su -". What happens then?
13:18<juan__>Living:/home/juan# su juan
13:18<juan__>juan@Living:~$ su -
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13:19<fxiny>patricio: can you see anything in : ls /media/cdrom ?
13:19<patricio>fxiny: nope
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13:20<kop>juan__: Are you editing the file in the terminal window?
13:20<juan__>how do i do to do that?
13:20<kop>juan__: That's the trouble.
13:20<juan__>oooh i see
13:20<juan__>i suspected
13:20<juan__>that that was the problem
13:20<kop>!tell juan__ -about paste
13:21<juan__>im sorry, im not aware of the server rules
13:21<juan__>it wont happen again
13:21<juan__>i imagine that without rules this would be a mess
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13:21<kop>juan__: No worries. You know how to use an editor at the terminal?
13:22<kop>juan__: (Because I don't know an easy way to start a graphical editor running as root.)
13:23<patricio>also getting error 'could not open dvd device '/dev/cdrom
13:23<seanius>kop as a temporary way you can do "xhost +" in another terminal
13:23<fxiny>wt4x : a console is graphical enough
13:23<seanius>or actually sudo $graphicaleditor will probably work
13:23<fxiny>are your locales tutankamonyzed ?
13:24<juan__>i just need to know how to edit the file
13:24<fxiny>juan__: what you have to do is practice a little bit with vi or nano on a test file
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13:24<angryGhost>juan__: nano file_name
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13:24<juan__>whats that for?
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13:25<kop>juan__: nano is a simple editor that gives you help at the bottom of the screen telling you what you can type to do what.
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13:26<juan__>im there
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13:26<juan__>a screen pop up
13:27<juan__>now what should i do
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13:27<kop>juan__: You change the file. I don't know how to use nano.
13:27<kop>juan__: If you're going to learn Linux you'll want some editor you use regularly. The usual choices are emacs and vi but you can use what you want. (I prefer emacs, the one thing you need to know is holding down the Control key and pressing the "x" key and then keeping Control down and pressing "c" stops emacs.)
13:27<angryGhost>is anyone familiar with SIP/VOIP
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13:28<kop>angryGhost: I've been confusing myself with it for a while. The firewalling is annoying.
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13:29<juan__>whats the difference between emacs, vi and nano?
13:29<kop>juan__: Those are religous questions. Everyone makes their own choice.
13:29<angryGhost>kop: I am trying to set up a 3pcc but when clientA answers and phoneB rings clientA doesn't hear a dial tone ;(
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13:29<juan__>ok, do you know how to use any of them?
13:30<angryGhost>juan__: I suggest nano as a first step
13:31<juan__>ok, could you help me to modify that "default line"??
13:31<darkstar>about what are talking??
13:32<juan__>i need to boot windows as the default SO
13:32<kop>angryGhost: (3pcc?) I think that has to do with how the ringtone is signaled. As an in-band sound or out of band.
13:32<juan__>anyone please
13:33<fxiny>juan__: your choices are : man vi , man nano or through a lame cp way : man cp , man chown , you can cp menu.lst chown it , edit it with a "graphical" editor chown it back to root.root
13:33<darkstar>change it on grup , i do't know how to configure the grub only the lilo
13:33<angryGhost>kop: the funny thing is, I do get dial-tones on both phones in direct calls but not in 3pcc
13:33<juan__>you said that su - is the command for root?
13:34<juan__>i forgot
13:34<kop>juan__: I use emacs. I found this: I won't talk you through which keys to press. It's too annoying.
13:34<darkstar>juan__, su is the command to change as super user
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13:34<darkstar>if your are using another user than root
13:34<darkstar>you can simply type su
13:34<darkstar>and your password to get the root priviledges
13:34<kop>darkstar: He's become root. He knows he needs to edit /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst He does not know how to use an editor.
13:35<fxiny>juan__: vi test.txt . type i then start writing . press wscape and type :wq! to exit
13:35<kop>darkstar: ("su -" is better because it sets your path properly.)
13:35<darkstar>use vim press insert and modify the lines :)
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13:35<darkstar>it's not very very harder
13:35<Sergeant>do you know Inna's home phone number?
13:36<juan__>ok, but how do i open the file from the editor?
13:36<juan__>i dont see anything like "open file"
13:36<Sergeant>please, its very importamt
13:36<darkstar>fxiny, vi in debian is the elvis editor which is more complicated than vim VI Improved
13:36<darkstar>juan__, simply type vim filename
13:36<darkstar>and opens the file :)
13:36<darkstar>press insert to edit the lines :)
13:37<juan__>its empty
13:37<juan__>i dont know why
13:37<fxiny>darkstar: yes i hate all of this! but i use it for quick editing . when the muses sing i do emacs :)
13:37<juan__>i put vim menu.lst
13:37<kop>angryGhost: I think you're out of my league with 3pcc.
13:37<juan__>do i have to specify a path?
13:37<darkstar>fxiny, more easiest to use is jed editor or nano :)
13:38<fxiny>Sergeant: io love it :)
13:38<angryGhost>kop: thanks - I'll keep on digging
13:38<fxiny>darkstar: ^^
13:38<kop>juan__: Yes, if your current working directory does not contain the file.
13:38<Sergeant>fxiny!!! what???
13:38<fxiny>Sergeant: sorry : tab on my way :)
13:38<juan__>ok, so the path is.................... which one?
13:38<Sergeant>you have wrong thoughts about her =)
13:38<juan__>for the menu.lst
13:39<Sergeant>i am inlove in her =)
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13:39<fxiny>Sergeant: i am a dirty person ., yeaaaaaHHH
13:39<juan__>vim boot/grub/menu.lst
13:39<darkstar>fxiny, what???
13:39<juan__>is that the way i have to put it
13:39<darkstar>vim /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst
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13:39<fxiny>darkstar: i love jed , i don't use it but is far better then f* nanos
13:40<Sergeant>fxiny - hihi)) but she is near me ;) so you loose =)
13:40<darkstar>the jed is more easiest to use than another :)
13:40<kop>juan__: You'd find helpful (when this is done) the reference manual and possibly the install manual found at
13:40<juan__>nope, still empty
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13:40<fxiny>darkstar: do you use qemacs ?
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13:40<juan__>i have specified the path
13:40<juan__>but its still empty
13:40<darkstar>at the moment nope :)
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13:40<juan__>i dont know why
13:40<kop>juan__: Then you didn't give it the right path. You have a typo.
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13:41<darkstar>i use debian for a various days i have installed some games some video/audio editting tools
13:41<fxiny>qemacs is damned good for editing huge logs files
13:41<darkstar>but i have relatively various days not months or years , how to another users :)
13:41<fxiny>darkstar: various days ? are you a slack person ?
13:42<juan__>-su: boot/boot/grub/menu.lst: it doesnt exist on the directory
13:42<darkstar>slack person?? what?? i am not using linux slack :)
13:42<kop>fxiny: I've used mg before, because it comes with OpenBSD.
13:42<darkstar>i am using debian on my computer :)
13:42<fxiny>darkstar: your nick is so slacky :)
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13:42<darkstar>yeahh :) my nick is because the old slackware 3 default user
13:43<darkstar>and it are as is in the rest of days :)
13:43<fxiny>kop: mg ? openBSD ? i have a friend running openNSD , is a nice person
13:43<juan__>tell me
13:43<kop>juan__: What is that "-su:" doing there? And the path begins with a /, per what darkstar wrote.
13:44<darkstar>fxiny, my system is running a debian 4.0r0 :)
13:45<kop>fxiny: I would characterize the OpenBSD people as "testy". :-)
13:45<darkstar>sorry :( my computer is running a debian 4.0r0
13:45<juan__>i was able to do it
13:45<darkstar>entire hard disk for it :):P
13:45<juan__>thank you very much
13:45<kop>fxiny: Yah. mg is an allright teeny emacs clone.
13:46<juan__>just one thing
13:47<juan__>once i press insert in vim
13:47<juan__>i modify the value
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13:47<juan__>how do i do to save it??
13:47<fxiny>darkstar: is a well know fact that any slack user coming to debian feels like alice in wonderland then all of a sudden he realize what is happening so he turns into a baccus wild dancing in a wineyard :P
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13:47<darkstar>juan__, simply press ESC and :wq
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13:47<fxiny>darkstar: i have two friends like that :)
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13:48<kop>juan__: Yes, type ":wq" without the quotes.
13:48<CharlieKane>err how do I unlock apt ?
13:49<juan__>i changed the default 0 for default 3
13:49<juan__>pressed esc
13:49<kop>juan__: After pressing the ESC key once, like he said. (vi is wierd)
13:49<juan__>and now just like that i have to put that code??
13:49<juan__>"in the air"??
13:50<kop>juan__: Yes. the : tell's vi you want to type a command The w means write, and the q means quick-- don't ask me again.
13:50<CharlieKane>I am getting this message whenever I try to use Adept Updater though nothing is running: Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
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13:51<kop>CharlieKane: Something is running. Use "ps ax" to see everything.
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13:52<kop>CharlieKane: (You could use lsof to tell exactly what, if you knew what file held the database that's in use, but I don't.)
13:52<juan__>thank you very much
13:52<juan__>see ya later
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13:52<kop>juan__: Look at the file again to be sure you did not goof.
13:52<darkstar>okay juan__
13:53<fxiny>kop: a tiny emacs ? that would be great !
13:54<kop>fxiny: Tiny is relative, when it comes to emacs. I won't swear just how small.
13:54<CharlieKane>Nothing is running. The database is locked.
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13:55<kop>fxiny: aptitude says 217K, uncompressed. So, tiny.
13:55<fxiny>kop: is it debianized ? wt4x !
13:56<kop>fxiny: Yup. I found it in etch.
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13:57<fxiny>kop: running it know :)
13:58<kop>CharlieKane: Maybe you do need lsof. I think it will search a directory tree for open files and tell you who's got them open. (But I really do forget where apt keeps it's db in /var.)
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14:00<fxiny>kop: mg seems very good
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14:03<bgat>does anyone know of a tool like fbi that will let me show an image on a framebuffer device that isn't the current console?
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14:06<kop>!tell davidson -about ask
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14:10<kop>So, is hotplug still in use?
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14:11<yos87>how can I list all users on the system?
14:11<kop>yos87: who
14:12<yos87>kop: there is one only
14:12<JasonS>yos87: do you mean connected or who have accounts?
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14:12<yos87>JasonS: no, I mean who have account
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14:14<kop>yos87: That'd be "cat /etc/passwd". Typically. Then everybody with a uid > 1000 would be a regular account, typically.
14:15<fxiny>kop: hotplug in use ? try -s install it :)
14:16<yos87>kop: I found another user name, Bucky, the one which I forget
14:16<yos87>but the uid is1001
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14:17<kop>yos87: That'd be a regular user.
14:18<kop>yos87: (Assuming the standard practices were used to assign uids.)
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14:19<yos87>what is the other lines in the /etc/passwd ? there is messagebus,gdm,haldaemon,hplip,canna,sshd ...
14:19<dkr>those are accounts used by system processes
14:19<kop>yos87: Generally deamons run under their own uids, so they don't have permissions to things they shouldn't get to.
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14:20<yos87>kop, thank you
14:20<yos87>dkr: thank you
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14:23<DeFender1031>is there a good gif creator for debian?
14:24<yos87>what do you mean gif creator?
14:24<DeFender1031>yos87, like to create .gif files
14:25<DeFender1031>those moving pictures...
14:25<DeFender1031>you know?
14:25<yos87>create or convert?
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14:26<yos87>i think the gimp can make
14:27<DeFender1031>i can't stand using the gimp though, are there any others?
14:28<DeFender1031>or should I just make a series of pngs and convert using
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14:28[~]N3bunel brb
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14:29<yos87>usually, Debain , or linux is very poor in the graphic side
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14:29<dpkg>tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
14:29<DeFender1031>yos87, treu
14:30<yos87>DeFender1031: also me i had a trouble with pictures , and their metadata, and converting my videos
14:31<yos87>DeFender1031: some points requier windows
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14:35<kop>DeFender1031: imagemagik is the tool when converting image formats.
14:35<padski_>I have a zd1211b (wifi) and the sid kernel with the wireless-tools from sid/lenny. when I iwconfig eth1 essid Foo sometimes I get ESSID:"F", which doesn't work :-(
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14:51<StCyr>Hi, I have 2 debian (stable + testing) installed on my PC and would like to turn the testing one into a Xen virtual guest.
14:51<StCyr>Do you think it's possible?
14:51<padski_>StCyr: why not ?
14:52<StCyr>I can only find howto's speaking about the creation of new guests
14:52<StCyr>not any using existing installed os
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14:53<padski_>StCyr: there is very little config to a xen guest. and very little diffrent to a native image (libc, bootstrap)
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14:53<StCyr>I also think that it should be possible
14:54<StCyr>I would feel better if I could find someone having done this before
14:54<padski_>StCyr: there isn't anything magic about a xen guest. just special kernel ...
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14:55<StCyr>so I should "almost"(tm) only have to install a new kernel in my guest?
14:55<padski_>StCyr: how do you think you make a xen guest ? I do it the same way I install most of my systems: with debootstrap.
14:55<StCyr>no I don't want debootstrap
14:55<padski_>StCyr: it will still work without the xen libc thing, thats a performance thing.
14:55<StCyr>I want to continue using my existing (running) debian testing (lenny?)
14:56<padski_>StCyr: and how did that get installed ?
14:56<StCyr>mmm... long time ago :)
14:56<StCyr>from CD i think
14:56<padski_>with debootstrap :-)
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14:57<StCyr>I have a quite limited ADSL line
14:57<StCyr>so I would like to update my existing running debian and not install a brand new one
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14:58<padski_>StCyr: sure, I understood that. all I'm trying to explain is that there is nothing especially magical about a xen guest.
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14:59<padski_>StCyr: now I think about it I definitely have at least one xen guest that was previously a native system. it makes no odds :-)
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15:01<StCyr>no odds... no odds... You're speaking to a newbie. Don't forget it ;)
15:02<padski_>StCyr: look at it this way. you boot a system on a different kernel. what is the worst that can happen ?
15:03<padski_>StCyr: you have all your necessary backups, yes ?
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15:04<StCyr>sure I don't :)
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15:06<padski_>the plan would go something like: boot your etch as a dom0, get the hang of booting a guest, write your config file for your testing instance, boot it. hey presto! (change to to xen libc at your leisure)
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15:09<padski_>conversely, wifi always seems to involved throwing salt over your left shoulder
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15:11<StCyr>padski: thanks. 'talk to you at next reboot 8-)
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15:32<Cyorxamp>Lo, If there are any - I want to buy a Debian Polo Shirt
15:32<Cyorxamp>Officially does Debian have any kind of store?
15:32<Cyorxamp>That a complete answer?
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15:33<padski_>warp a username ?
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15:37<Guest2195>i need to know how to get the ascii symbols to work
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15:37<Stephim>Cyorxamp, I just know a french store
15:37<Cyorxamp>nm found some
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15:38<Guest2195>how to change the keyboard layout
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15:44<Guest2195>no me andan los simbolos ascii
15:44<Guest2195>como hago?
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15:53<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once)
15:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:55<tcsetattr>even I got confused by that keymap response. and I already knew the answer.
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15:58<padski_>tcsetattr: it is a long time since I knew the answer :-)
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15:59<tcsetattr>parse error near "or also"
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16:00<padski_>it is a fairly convoluted sentence, but I assume it encodes something about where dpkg is getting all this :-)
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16:01<Guest2195>does anyone know the anjuta compiler
16:01<Eulex>no, anjuta isn't a compiler. it's an IDE.
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16:03<padski_>I hate wifi
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16:13<DeFender1031>what command will tell me my mac address?
16:13<weasel>ifconfig will show it
16:13<weasel>ip link too, probably
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16:14<DeFender1031>weasel, where in ficonfig?
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16:14<weasel>DeFender1031: there aren't that many things in ifconfig output that look like mac addresses
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16:14<weasel>I suggest you make an educated guess once you see what it prints.
16:15<DeFender1031>inet6 addr?
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16:15<weasel>that's an ipv6 address.
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16:18<tcsetattr>inet6 addr do look a lot like mac addresses, what with all the hex
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16:21<markyoz>posso chiedere a qualcuno riguardo a cosa usare per il multiboot Knoppix + Xp
16:21<markyoz>devo usare Grub?
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16:21<weasel>dpkg: moo
16:21<streuner>talk english and NOT italian
16:21<markyoz>excuse me
16:21<weasel>or try #debian-it here or on freenode
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16:21<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
16:21<markyoz>i must use knoppix and xp. what is the best multiboot?
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16:21<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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16:21<LewisSharp>Hi there. I've been having massive problem with my debian.. I had to reinstall almost everything. Now, I can run gdm but I get very little interface at all. Example, I don't have a apps menu, no clock, no menu bar for most apps (Nautilus, etc...). Can someone help me out some? :)
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16:26<weasel>tcsetattr: they are longer. way longer.
16:26<weasel>tcsetattr: and they aren't grouped in twos
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16:28<tcsetattr>yeah but some people probably haven't actually counted the hex digits in a mac address... it's more than "7 plus or minus 2". and some people group mac addresses in fours... (cisco for example)
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16:33<darkstar>sorry i have to go byeeeee ç
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16:38<D-Fender1031>how do i find out the mac address of my wireless card?
16:39<tcsetattr>ifconfig should work on those too
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16:39<D-Fender1031>tcsetattr, it only gives me one address
16:39<tolecnal>D-Fender1031: ifconfig | grep -i hwaddr
16:40<tcsetattr>ifconfig -a if the interface isn't "up" yet
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16:55<LewisSharp>Anyone knows why I get no resize/maximize/quit icon on most of my window opened, no title bar, no clock on my desktop, no desktop selector, in other words a fully empty desktop?
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16:58<seanius>LewisSharp: sounds like either a crashed gnome session or you're runnig in failsafe mode or something
16:58<amphi>with the emphasis on 'fail' it would seem ;)
16:58<Tb0n3>:/ I installed debian from a netinst cd and now I can't remember how to install x11 because I declined to have the installation give me gnome
16:59<LewisSharp>hum.. how can I correct that, I mean make sure I'm not running in failsafe because it's not a crashed session, not that I can see.
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17:00<seanius>Tb0n3: try "tasksel install desktop"
17:01<seanius>or apt-get install gnome
17:01<Tb0n3>well, I want to have something other than gnome
17:01<seanius>apt-get install kde
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17:01<Tb0n3>and I have limited space
17:01<Tb0n3>enlightenment or xfce
17:01<seanius>apt-get install fluxbox
17:01<Tb0n3>I did enlightenment and x11 isn't found
17:02<Tb0n3>/etc/X11/X isn't found
17:02<seanius>dpkg: tell Tb0n3 about set up x
17:02<seanius>oh wait, that info is out of date
17:03<seanius>try just "apt-get install xserver-xorg" and see where that gets you
17:03<Tb0n3>ah, that's what I couldn't remember
17:03<Tb0n3>Iwas searching aptitude for x11
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17:37<tcsetattr>who said connecting to comcast cable modem with Debian wouldn't be trouble? ha!
17:38<tcsetattr>their dhcp server gives me a 192.168 address with no gateway and a 20-second lease!
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17:40<dkr>tcsetattr: I just got comcast cable. it gives me 3600 minute lease of public ip
17:41<dkr>did you finish "activation"? yet
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17:41<dkr>actually 3600 second
17:42<tcsetattr>I think the "activation" is finished
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17:42<tcsetattr>had to wait a day for someone to kick it from their end
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17:43<tcsetattr>hmm... I power-cycled the modem and the lights didn't come back on the way they were before.
17:43<dkr>it takes a while to go through its dance
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17:44<tcsetattr>a real long time this time... blinking receive light
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17:50<tcsetattr>oh this is interesting... it assigns 192.168.* addresses when the coax isn't even plugged in. so that's a dhcp server built into the "modem" then. what purpose that could possibly serve I don't know.
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17:58<tcsetattr>hey! a real address!
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18:01<tcgetattr>hey hey.
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18:02<tcgetattr>had the cables plugged in the wrong order on the splitter thingy. the ports are helpfully labeled "IN", "OUT", and "TAP" instead of something that would make sense, like "WALL", "MODEM", and "TV"
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18:11<tcsetattr>dhcp client overwrote my resolv.conf and didn't even leave a backup. how rude.
18:11<azeem>did you configure it like that?
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18:12<tcsetattr>no, I just assumed the Debian default configuration would not suck
18:13<tcsetattr>and I can't see any obvious indication of where that config item might be
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18:13<azeem>you can tell it not to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
18:13<azeem>AFAIK, anyway
18:13<kop>tcsetattr: There's also the resolvconf package that must do something related but I've not looked.
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18:14<tcsetattr>everything in /etc/dhclient.conf is commented out
18:14<kop>(It does seem fair to assume that if you're using dhcp you'll use it to set the nameserver etc.)
18:15<tcsetattr>bah, automatically-assigned nameservers are poison. I always install my own named and use
18:15<azeem>tcsetattr: so wait, it's not *Debian*'s default configuration which sucks?
18:15<kop>tcsetattr: Me too.
18:15<tcsetattr>Debian's AND upstream's apparently :)
18:15<tcsetattr>inhertied suckage.
18:15<azeem>are you complaining that it overwrote it, or that it didn't make a backup
18:15<tcsetattr>a little of both
18:16<azeem>complaining about the first is, well...
18:16<azeem>how many users run their own named?
18:16<kop>The resolvconf package "sets itself up as the intermediary between programs that supply nameserver information and programs that use nameserver information.
18:16<tcsetattr>everybody should. local cache is much goodness.
18:16<azeem>complaining about the second is admitting you don't do backups I guess
18:17<azeem>tcsetattr: that doesn't answer the question
18:17<kop>I agree, except in _super_ low ram environment.
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18:17<azeem>tcsetattr: should DNS be borked for 99% of the users, so just that the few who run their own named don't have to edit /etc/dhclient.conf?
18:17<kop>So, resolvconf is supposed to handle cases like this.
18:17<tcsetattr>no, I'm not saying I can't get it back. but programs that modify config files non-interactively should really be cautious about assuming they know what the admin wants
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18:18<kop>azeem: A backup made by dhclient sounds sane. You don't have a backup for every moment.
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18:18<azeem>kop: should it backup ifconfig and route as well?
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18:19<kop>azeem: It puts those back when it's done. So there should be a backup to put back resolv.conf.
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18:19<tcsetattr>well, changing the ifconfig (at least the IP address part of it) is the exact point of using DHCP. supplying other information about higher level protocols is a side effect, and an ugly one in my opinion
18:20<azeem>kop: really?
18:20<kop>tcsetattr: Not exactly. There's lots and lots of stuff that can be set with dhcp.
18:21<tcsetattr>yes, DHCP has lots and lots of bloated options that have accumulated on it over the years like parasites. That doesn't change its core purpose, which is IP address assignment.
18:21<kop>azeem: I thought so. It's been a long time since I mucked with dhcp. But surely if you've no route to begin with and no ip, after your lease expires and you fail to get a new one you should have no ip and no default route.
18:21<tcsetattr>I figured a default configuration would be to do the core purpose only. It was a bad guess and it caused a minor irritation, and now I'm going to try to move on and stop talking about it
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18:22[~]tcsetattr chattr +i's /etc/resolv.conf, problem solved
18:22<azeem>kop: what if you configured a static IP before?
18:22<azeem>tcsetattr: no, the idea of dhcp is to get networking going
18:23<kop>tcsetattr: I'd characterize dhcp as "network configuration" not IP assignment, because even IP assignment is no good without other stuff (routing, even dns). So it's a question of what the mission is.
18:23<azeem>modulo http proxy I guess
18:23<kop>tcsetattr: There has been lots of cruft added to the notion of what it takes to join a network, I'll agree there.
18:24<dondelelcaro>generally what you do is leave the default dhclient which uses resolvconf if it's there.
18:24<kop>azeem: Dunno. I would expect it to stay configured throughout, or be put back. But I suppose it's a question of how you set up the interface and it's been a long time since I looked at my client-side choices.
18:24<dondelelcaro>if you want to prefer a specific dns server (cause others suck) then you can specify them in your /etc/network/interfaces and/or change the interface order
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18:25<azeem>kop: well, could be, not sure
18:25<azeem>side issue anyway
18:25<kop>dondelelcaro: What makes resolvconf a good thing? It makes our complaints about dhcp go away? :)
18:26<dondelelcaro>kop: it makes the dns related issues go away, yes.
18:26<tcsetattr>I never installed resolvconf because I thought the effect of installing it would be to _increase_ the number of programs messing me up. :)
18:26<tcsetattr>it didn't occur to me that its purpose was to inhibit the messing-up of resolv.conf
18:26<dondelelcaro>kop: it's very useful for laptops and other machines which have a non-static network configuration
18:26<dondelelcaro>(if it's static, it works then too, but it basically does nothing)
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18:27<dbldtx> ; Does any of this look like my ATI Radeon is installed properly? Would $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org undo any changes I'd made with ATI drivers? Why would I be getting:
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18:28<kop>I guess I don't need resolvconf, but fwiw I've probably been frightened away from it by the alternatives system -- which took me forever to understand and I still find it wierd that I actually have to interact with the interface rather than just being able to tell it what alternative I want on the command line. (etch)
18:29<dondelelcaro>kop: you can configure /etc/alternatives on the command line too.
18:30<kop>dondelelcaro: All I've figured out is "update-alternatives --config foo", which then proceeds to ask me questions.
18:30<dondelelcaro>kop: you know, the manpage exists for a reason... --set is what you're looking for.
18:32<kop>dondelelcaro: I think it was the "path" that threw me. I was not clear on what that was when setting up postfix, which has lots of paths and installs a substitute sendmail already, which is presumeably what is softlinked in the alternatives universe. So I gave up.
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18:32<dondelelcaro>kop: there isn't an alternative for sendmail
18:33<dondelelcaro>you have one and only one MTA installed at a time
18:34<kop>dondelelcaro: I was messing with it on sarge (or maybe woody) and I recall having exim and postfix installed. But then that was a while ago so I suppose I could have mis-remembered.
18:34<azeem>kop: you did
18:34<tcsetattr>installed, maybe. configured and working, probably not.
18:34<kop>Definaly not working.
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18:35<azeem>you can't install two MTAs, they conflict
18:35<dondelelcaro>it won't even complete unpacking without throwing all kinds of errors
18:35<azeem>you can only do that if you force stuff, or do an install from source
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18:58[~]N3bunel away
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19:05<hobbes12>Hello I have a dual boot vista question.
19:06<hobbes12>Is it possible
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19:07<hobbes12>Vista is loaded first will debian load every thing for me?
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19:07<hobbes12>Or will I need to add something to grub?
19:07<piper>well the best to do is load debian then add vista to grub
19:08<hobbes12>Ok I have never used linux before this will be my first install.
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19:09<piper>vista on first drive first partition add this to grub
19:09<chealer>hobbes12: the former
19:09<piper>hobbes12: if you never used linux before a very wise choice would be to use a live cd first
19:10<piper>that way nothing installs and you can get a good feel of it
19:10<hobbes12>I see
19:11<hobbes12>Do I get them from debian's site? I already downloaded the DVD's
19:11<piper>hobbes12: unless you take the plunge and go for it (make sure you back up anything important that you need)
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19:12<hobbes12>I have 2 seperate drives, first one has Vista and I am planning on the second drive having debian.
19:13<piper>well unless things have changed debian don't really have a live cd, there are debian based live cd's out there
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19:13<hobbes12>I have used gparted and parted magic and loved them both.
19:14<hobbes12>That is what has me exploring Linux
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19:16<piper>;) there is sidux (sid), mepis, i am not a ubuntu fan at all (claims debian), dreamlinux (debian/morphix) knoppix are all live cds based on debian you can try,
19:16<chealer>piper: all of that is offtopic here
19:17<piper>is this channel that bad for people who are interested in debian ???
19:17<hobbes12>LOL thank you piper.
19:17<chealer>piper: what?
19:17<piper>hoppes you want more info on linux (any distro) visit #sidux i will help you
19:17<hobbes12>Am I off topic?
19:18<piper>hobbes12: let them do what they have to here
19:18<chealer>hobbes12: no. discussing other distros is.
19:19<hobbes12>A little harsh he was helping a newbie.
19:19<piper>chealer: that reminds me of M$ very much
19:19<azeem>piper: drop it, pleae
19:19<chealer>hobbes12: I don't think he's helping you.
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19:19<piper>you guys want people to use debian, but look at the attutude ?
19:19<piper>please ??
19:20<azeem>piper: this channel is for Debian support, and there are good reasons we don't support derivatives in here
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19:20<piper>[20:07] <hobbes12> Vista is loaded first will debian load every thing for me?
19:20<piper>[20:07] <hobbes12> Or will I need to add something to grub?
19:20<hobbes12>Any thing is help at this point, LOL.
19:20<piper>azeem: looks like debian support to me
19:21<chealer>piper: that was a question, not support.
19:21<azeem>piper: discussing derivatives is not, though, which is what chealer complained about
19:21<piper>ok, i see the game here and should have listened to others
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19:22<chealer>heh. I think we lost a sidux user.
19:22<azeem>hobbes12: what is your current problem?
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19:34<wycked>hi all, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade with testing in sources.list, but I'm not in kernel 2.6.20 now :/
19:34<wycked>how can I get it ?
19:34<wycked>with apt-get *
19:35<wycked>I think it can be apt-get install kernel-image2.6.20 but I'm not sure :/
19:36<azeem>wycked: what does uname -r say?
19:36<chealer>wycked: if you don't mind, why would you want 2.6.20?
19:36<azeem>wycked: run apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.20
19:37<wycked>azeem> it says nothing ..
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19:38<wycked>chealer> ... because I want 2.6.20 ! :p
19:38<azeem>testing has 2.6.21
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19:39<wycked>azeem> and if I type apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21 ?
19:39<azeem>run the apt-cache search command first, then choose the one for your CPU
19:39<azeem>or just install linux-image-2.6-686
19:40<wycked>my cpu is 686 and if I run apt-cache, it says nothing
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19:41<azeem>wycked: what command did you run?
19:41<wycked>apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.20
19:41<azeem>02:37 < azeem> testing has 2.6.21
19:41<azeem>that'd be expected
19:42<azeem>wycked: if you really want a 2.6.20 kernel, look for it on
19:42<wycked>azeem> not really 2.6.20, 2.6.21 'll be better
19:42<wycked>azeem> but is it normally that I'm on 2.6.18 after a dist-upgrade to testing ?
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19:45<azeem>wycked: yes, if you didn't have linux-image-2.6-686 installed
19:46<wycked>ah yess ! azeem I try with Synaptic and it's installing 2.6.21 ! :)
19:46<wycked>thank you a lot azeem !
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19:53<dbldtx> ; Does any of this look like my ATI Radeon is installed properly? Would $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org undo any changes I'd made with ATI drivers? Why would I be getting:
19:54<dbldtx>Could anybody help me out with this?
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19:54<dbldtx>I know it's all pretty simple, I just need some disambig
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19:56<azeem>dbldtx: is the fglrx kernel module loaded?
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20:16<Sharp[Food]>::slap his connection:: sorry if this is a repost...-> Hey there again... When I decided to reboot my debian computer I ended up with "grub>" rather then the usual screen asking for which mode I wanna start the computer at (safe mode ...) I'd like to go back to see that screen rather then stop at 'grub>'
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20:17<dondelelcaro>Sharp[Food]: you've nuked (or otherwise munged) your menu.lst or grub can't find it
20:17<dondelelcaro>Sharp[Food]: use update-grub; to recreate it and all should be good.
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20:23<Sharp[Food]>hum.. can't use update-grub at the moment.. I can't seem to be able to get into a terminal console. Also, I thought boot would work, but I get a 'kernel must be loaded first' error, and kernel command I have no idea how to use.
20:23<dondelelcaro>Sharp[Food]: you need to specify the kernel to load, the initrd to load (if necessary) before you boot.
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20:24<Sharp[Food]>what would be the filename of the kernel to load?
20:25<dondelelcaro>you'll have to tell me
20:25<Sharp[Food]>I have no idea how to get it from the 'grub' line :(
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20:26<dondelelcaro>it'll be something like vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686, but without knowing what you've got installed, I can't tell you
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20:27<prahal>LewisSharp, grub has completion .
20:27<LewisSharp>if I knew where the file is, I could probably find out the name
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20:27<prahal>root (hd0,0)
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20:28<prahal>kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1
20:28<prahal>initrd /boot/initrd.img
20:29<prahal>are you sure you did not install grub2 by mistake ?
20:29<prahal>this would explains why the boot menu disappeared
20:30<prahal>grub2 is not ready for user consumption ... no menu and such. Everything have to be done by hand
20:31<prahal>if above commands works downgrade to grub (v1) if so
20:31<LewisSharp>well I don't have a vm* in boot :(
20:32<LewisSharp>so I guess I'm on to a new question... Is it easy, once I would reinstall debian into a other disk, to 1- Have this first disk work with the other as a secondary drive, 2- recuperate files from the first disk?
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20:43<prahal>LewisSharp, use a livecd or a floppy with damn small linux to check what is in /boot and retry. That would be faster. I you want you can also boot from the live-cd and use chroot (need a bit of admins skills) and restore disk grub boot from there
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20:44<prahal>LewisSharp, how do you know you do not have a vm* in /boot ?
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20:45<prahal>it only could happens if you purged all kernels
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20:48<LewisSharp>Well, grub support name completion right? didn't complet /boot/vm...
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20:52<prahal>LewisSharp, had you set the "root" beforehand ?
20:52<prahal>otherwise try to complete with (hd0,0)/boot/vm*
20:53<prahal>if your boot directory is on the first disk's first partition
20:53<LewisSharp>Aye, doesn't complete. :(
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20:56<prahal>you try with tab not star ?
20:56<LewisSharp>yep, tab indeed
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20:57<prahal>glups all kernel removed ... that s pretty hardcore
20:58<LewisSharp>yeah, I used synatic to try a full update, I might have gone too wild with it recently in trying to bring back my desktop some.
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20:59<prahal>you need a livecd and a bit of knowledge (mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; cp linux-image-2.6.*.deb /mnt/; chroot /mnt; dpkg -i linux-image-*.deb;
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21:00<LewisSharp>yeah ok. Thanks :)
21:01<prahal>and "update-grub" if you still have grub (v1) (dpkg -l grub will tell)
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21:24<EL0HIM>hi @ll :)
21:26<moicano>hi man
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21:26<EL0HIM>what up ??
21:26<E0x>in a howto for solve a issues with a cheap Bluetooth device say put options hci_usb reset=1 in /etc/modprobe.conf , but in debian don't exist i read about /etc/modprobe.d/ but i dont where put the option there
21:26<moicano>fine and u:
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21:27<liming>anyone knows how to get my wireless card to work
21:27<liming>ibm t60p
21:28<gsimmons>liming: Can you provide details about its chipset? (eg. 'lspci')
21:29<liming>sorry...was thinking out loud
21:29<liming>let me get that
21:29<repair-man>how do i tell gnome not to start
21:30<gsimmons>E0x: Just create a new file (eg. /etc/modprobe.d/bluetooth) containing that line. The options will be supplied to modprobe for that module (see "man modprobe.d").
21:31<E0x>gsimmons: thanks
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21:36<liming>gsimmons who asked about chipset, here it goes: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
21:36<liming>00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
21:36<liming>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
21:36<gsimmons>liming: Okay, that's more than enough.
21:36<liming>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
21:36<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:36<liming>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller AHCI (rev 02)
21:36<liming>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
21:36<liming>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71d4
21:36<liming>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
21:36<liming>03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
21:37<liming>15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1510 PC card Cardbus Controller
21:37<baloo>liming: PASTEBIN
21:37<liming>opps, never again
21:37<gsimmons>!tell liming -about madwifi
21:38<chealer>!lose debhelper
21:38<dpkg>debhelper: You Lose.
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21:41<liming>i do have to confess, am a newbie here...but eager to learn, what to do next (other than no more pasting)
21:42<liming>still have to get my wireless card to work
21:42<gsimmons>liming: Did you see the private message from dpkg?
21:42<dpkg>somebody said madwifi was a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
21:43<liming>okay, asking
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21:46<kop>liming: To talk to the bot you need to: /msg dpkg madwifi-install
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21:48[~]moicano está away; vendo - tv 20 reais. - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=-
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21:49[~]moicano retornou do away; vendo - tv 20 reais. - duração[1m20s] -=[Cyber]=-
21:49[~]moicano está away; vendo - tv 20 reais. em 450x - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=-
21:50[~]moicano retornou do away; vendo - tv 20 reais. em 450x - duração[43s] -=[Cyber]=-
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21:52<ameyer>that's annoying
21:52<ameyer>even more so because it's in spanish?
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22:09<c01100011>need to video chat with a windows user, [skype in vbox is too slow] any recommendations for apps on both ends ?
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22:10<cj_>man... mirroring takes a long time...
22:10<cj_>I'm into the Ks now
22:10<cj_>finally through the lib* :)
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22:11<dondelelcaro>yeah, getting through the libs is about half way
22:11<gsimmons>c01100011: You might be interested in Ekiga.
22:11<Tb0n3>hmm, is there any special thing I have to do to get a vnc server working? when I try to get one working it starts and everything, but it won't take connections.
22:12<c01100011>gsimmons, is windows ekiga any good ?
22:12<cj_>Tb0n3: looked at the logs?
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22:12<cj_>Tb0n3: how are you launching the server?
22:12<Tb0n3>from bash
22:12<Tb0n3>should I launch within xserv?
22:12<cj_>Tb0n3: are you using Xvnc + gdm?
22:13<Tb0n3>well, at the moment I don't have a desktop manager, I'm just launching my xfce from .xinitrc
22:13<Tb0n3>Imean, gdm or kdm
22:14<cj_>that should get you pointed in the right direction
22:15<cj_>using gdm is probably the most scalable way to go, if you're into scaling :)
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22:16<gsimmons>c01100011: I haven't tried it personally. It can interoperate with NetMeeting if necessary.
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22:18<c01100011>gsimmons, reading into that now, may be a viable option
22:18<elhaz_>has somebody install Debian in a HP ProLiant ML350 server?
22:18<elhaz_>Any info anybody might have regarding this?
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22:20<Tb0n3>will I have to install gnome or kde to get their gdm/kdm counterparts?
22:20<Tb0n3>cj_: how's tightvncserver, I was trying to use that before.
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22:24<cj_>Tb0n3: same as vncserver, but optimized for low latency, low throughput
22:24<cj_>Tb0n3: basically obsolete now, since these features have been merged into the original
22:24<Tb0n3>so the problem was it needed a gdm/kdm type login manager and couldn't just do a startx type operation on logins?
22:24<cj_>gdm doesn't require gnome, no
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22:25<cj_>apt-cache show gdm | grep "^Depends"
22:25<cj_>lots of deps, but not gnome
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22:25<Tb0n3>I did see that, thanks
22:26<Tb0n3>know any good shanties?
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22:27<Tb0n3>pirate songs?
22:27<Tb0n3>ef, I pressed the function key and f1 and my laptop went to sleep
22:27<Tb0n3>oh, it was f4 which is a sleep function
22:28<cj_>oh, those! no, not really.
22:29<Tb0n3>well, I saw the yar and I thought you might be of pirate ilk
22:31<c01100011>need to video chat with a windows user, [skype in vbox is too slow] any recommendations for apps on both ends ?
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22:32<Tb0n3>I'm using xfce at the moment because it seems to be the lightest wm besides fluxbox which I can't be assed to configure in text configuration files and e doesn't run as fast on this old 366MHz P2
22:32<Tb0n3>any suggestions for a better wm or stay my ground?
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22:35<tark>hey all
22:35<tark>sorry i feel quite dumb asling this as i asked already a few months ago
22:36<tark>how do you define a default web browser ?
22:36<tark>system wide for all users
22:37<chealer>tark: is KDE installed on the system?
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22:37<tark>gnome only
22:38<streuner>!listvals update-alternatives
22:38<chealer>tark: try setting the x-www-browser alternative.
22:38<dpkg>Factoid search of 'update-alternatives' by value (12): perl5.6 ;; CMD: uac (.*?) ;; www-browser ;; window manager ;; alternatives ;; default window manager ;; change wm ;; choose window manager ;; x-www-browser ;; x-window-manager ;; default desktop ;; x wm.
22:38<simonrvn>update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ;)
22:38<tark>thanks now it seems all so clear again hehe
22:38<simonrvn>you can do --list to show them
22:39<tark>simonrvn thank you very much !
22:39<tark>one day i'll get it in my head promise
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22:41<simonrvn>if in doubt, --help (works with a lot of things ;)
22:42<mehul>Anyone know how to change the default web browser in GNOME to be iceweasel rather then Epiphany ?
22:42<tark>nice coincidence
22:42<mehul>I've tried to make the change in the Prefered Applications control panel
22:43<tark> update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
22:43<mehul>coincidence ?
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22:43<tark>i get no credit for that
22:43<mehul>lol .. you just asked that yourself ?
22:43<tark>just one second ago before you logged in
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22:44<c01100011>recomendations for a cross platform (lin to win) video chat ?
22:44<tark>now i've learned hopefully :p
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22:46<tark>simonrvn | chealer are the one to thank mehul if ever you want to
22:46<mehul>yeah me too. I was wondering why things wouldn't work despite changing it via the GUI (System->Prefrences->Prefered Applications)
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22:46<mehul>well from my point of view .. thanks to tark, simonrvn, and chealer.
22:47[~]chealer probably learned it from someone, but can't remember who.
22:47<tark>too much honor hehehe
22:47<mehul>pay it forward ... I guess
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22:49<mehul>anyone got recomendations on playlist scripts for irssi ?
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22:51<simonrvn>mehul: . they only have for amarok and xmms iirc
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22:55<mehul>thanks simonrvn. I have been using rhythmbox though. is XMMS better ?
22:56<tark>xmms in kinda winamp like
22:56<CarlDOT>Hi, I am completely new to Linux, this is my first ever time using it (Knoppix Live CD) and I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out a little. I'm booting into Linux because Windows Updates have messed up my Vista connection to such a degree that http and ftp traffic stop working after a few minutes of connectivity meaning I need to reboot to get things to start again. If someone could tell me how to install Firefox for Linu
22:56<CarlDOT>x in this Linux flavour I would be massively grateful. Sorry for the long message.
22:56<dondelelcaro>mpd! mpc! ncmpc!
22:56<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: it's probably already there, actually.
22:57<CarlDOT>I have looked and I only have Konquerer and something called Iceweasel
22:57<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: iceweasel is it
22:57<CarlDOT>Oh it is?
22:57<CarlDOT>That was easy then, much appreciate :)
22:57<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: yeah, we (and knoppix) aren't allowed to use the firefox trademark
22:57<CarlDOT>Ah right I see.
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22:58<CarlDOT>I have one more quick question if that is okay?
22:58<dondelelcaro>you just asked one. but go ahead anyway. ;-)
22:58<mehul>CarlDOT: iceweasel _is_ firefox, just that it doesn't use the firfox name because that is a trademakr and Debian (hence Knoppix as well I believe) can't use it.
22:58<CarlDOT>I'll be looking to download drivers and such to try in when I boot back into Windows, how do I save files so that they will show up when I reboot back to Windows?
22:59<chealer>mehul: iceweasel isn't *really* firefox. it's based on it but has minor modifications.
22:59<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: you'll have to mount the windows drive or stick them onto a usb key or similar
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22:59<dondelelcaro>(the latter is probably simpler than the former)
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23:00<mehul>chealer: I was under the impression that it was just the branding (and Debian related patches) that were different.
23:00<CarlDOT>Would copying them to an NFTS external hard drive do the same job?
23:00<dondelelcaro>mehul: yeah, that's the minor modifications that he's getting at
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23:00<mehul>CarlDOT: I'll 2nd dondelelcaro, the USB key drive will be easier to deal with.
23:00<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: yes, but writing to NTFS sometimes doesn't work.
23:01<CarlDOT>would I have to format the flash drive? Sorry for my ignorance, Microsoft have brought me up this way
23:01<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: nope
23:01<dondelelcaro>CarlDOT: just plug it in, and it should work.
23:01<mehul>dondelelcaro: ahhh ok. I thought there were larger scale code changes as well is what chealer was saying.
23:01<CarlDOT>Thank God for that, and thank God the guys in the shop talked me into buying a 4GB one when I got the laptop on Friday
23:03<CarlDOT>Thank you so, so much. It's 5am here and I've been trying to sort this issue since 11:30am yesterday, I really appreciate the advice. Is it okay to lurk just in case I need more advice in a little while?
23:03<mehul>speaking of USB key drives, if I'm not using GNOME, how do I get it to automagically mount and be accesible ? I switched to using just sawfish a couple of days (my periodic migration from vtwm to GNOME to sawfish and then to repeat the cycle again )
23:03<chealer>CarlDOT: if God allows it.
23:03<dondelelcaro>yeah, sure; though we're really here for Debian questions, not Knoppix
23:04<CarlDOT>Do debian have a live CD?
23:04<chealer>!tell CarlDOT about live
23:04<mehul>CarlDOT: yes
23:04<CarlDOT>Eventually I want to dual boot something in Linux with Vista but like I said I am a complete novice
23:04<tark>they say one thing awsome about debian is it's community hehehe
23:04<CarlDOT>Have to say that even off a CD Linux is MUCH quicker
23:06<tark>*awesome sorry
23:07<CarlDOT>How do I change the keyboard language from US English to UK English layout? I can't join the room you've just sent me
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23:07<CarlDOT>oh, it's okay, just worked it out
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23:09<tark>they do say so
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23:09<CarlDOT>Thanks again guys appreciate it massively.
23:10<mehul>no probs. anytime.
23:10<mehul>not that I did much 'cept to parrot what dondelelcaro was saying ! :)
23:10[~]tark wonders if there's a vista chan anywhere out there...
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23:11<mehul>CarlDOT: do you normally have a media player up and running when you see the network slowdowns ?
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23:25<CarlDOT>Sorry I managedd to disconnect myself from the net hitting the wrong menu
23:26<CarlDOT>How much of my answer did you get?
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23:27<coreid>Hello, I am having problems with network-manager-gnome package since a aptitude upgrade since last two days.
23:27<commodorelxiv>does anyone know how to permanently change the owner of '/dev/hdb'? I tried 'chown 1000 /dev/hdb', but that only lasts until i restart.
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23:28<coreid>It appears that network-manager has been upgraded to a newer version but not network-manager-gnome, does anyone know of a way to interact with the daemon over command line ?
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23:29<coreid>commodore: you can mount /dev/hdb as a specific user, see manpage for mount
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23:34<CarlDOT>Right guys I have downloaded the drivers and am off to try booting in Windows again once they're installed.
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23:37<nhus>when I mount NTFS partitions there is message "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
23:38<nhus>what to do
23:38<nhus>or where to go
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