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01:01<padski_>adventures with my zd1211b ...
01:01<dpkg>c# is probably part of the Microsoft .NET suite of language implementations. It is simiar to Java. crap Nothing new!, or too Windows-centric.. Microsoft's Java
01:01<padski_>so, all the fun is in the driver known bugs: "Bring the interface up before using it at all: # ifconfig <INTERFACE> up"
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01:02<padski_>and "On some distributions (e.g., Debian) dhclient scripts do an ifconfig down/up before trying to get an IP which causes the driver to disassociate. Add iface eth1 inet dhcp to your /etc/networking/interfaces and bring up the interface with ifup eth1."
01:02<padski_>and that advise works if I do it manually. ie, I can't iwconfig eth0 sucessfullly until I ifconfig eth0
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01:03<tcsetattr>so ifup tries to do the dhclient while the link is down?
01:04<padski_>basically :-)
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01:06<tcsetattr>I would think dhclient would't work without the interface being up... regardless of interface type
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01:07<padski_>it's a strange arrangement, but it is listed as a bug :-)
01:07<padski_>mind you, it is in the mainline kernel
01:07<padski_>I can make dhclient work if I do it manually. basically I have to ifconfig, iwconfig, dhclient
01:08<dondelelcaro>padski_: so you probably need a pre-up ifconfig fooiface up; or similar
01:08<tcsetattr>which dhclient? dhcp or dhcp3?
01:08<padski_>dondelelcaro: that sounds like the kind of thing I'm looking for yes :-)
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01:08<dondelelcaro>though the driver is rather busted if it won't allow you to iwconfig when the interface is down
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01:11<padski_>known bugs: "documented as braindead, will take a while to figure out if you don't read the docs" :-)
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01:14<padski_>dondelelcaro: that gets me halfway there. now I see the softmac auth, link become ready, but then when dhclient starts network is down
01:14<padski_>dondelelcaro: I guess this would be "dhclient scripts do an ficonfig down/up before"
01:15<dondelelcaro>yeah, probably need to disable that
01:16<padski_>tcsetattr: looks like I have dhcp-client 2.0 installed (which is not what I would have guessed) you recommend a go with dhcp3-client ?
01:17<tcsetattr>I have no idea
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01:17<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's possible that it's changed; the default really should be dhcp3, it probably has changed now
01:18<tcsetattr>I see the ifconfig down in /etc/dhclient-script but I don't see any in /etc/dhcp3
01:20<padski_>that does the trick :-)
01:20<jm_>they can change the documentation with that advice
01:20<jm_>sounds much easier
01:21<padski_>jm_: I was just about to ask, where are good places to put this info. obviously upstream ...
01:21<dpkg>zd1211rw is, like, the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package).
01:23<jm_>padski_: where did you paste the text mentioning dhclient scripts from?
01:23<tcsetattr>from that URL dpkg just mentioned.
01:23<tcsetattr>the b0t knows all
01:23<jm_>then I would submit it there
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01:25<padski_>that page doesn't rank well on google zd1211 debian, which is where I started
01:25<jm_>well perhaps README.Debian for zd1211-firmware, but we know how many people will read that ...
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01:26<padski_>it probably in there already :-)
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01:27<jm_>can you confirm it is?
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01:27<padski_>ah! there's a zd1211-firmware package :-)
01:27<padski_>I downloaded it from sourceforge :-)
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01:29<padski_>no it's not in there
01:30<padski_>there does seem to be a zd1211-source package. I used a 2.6.22 kernel
01:30<padski_>I'll email that upstream
01:31<padski_>gotta run. see ya later.
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02:38<sheldonh>does networkmanager have an interface i can use to have it "take another look" at my network options, so i can "reconnect on resume" when i suspend in one wireless network and resume in another?
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02:54<seanius>sheldonh: it "just works" for me
02:55<sheldonh>seanius: interesting. so you're on one wireless ESSID, you suspend, when you resume on another wireless ESSID, networkmanager automatically starts trying to authenticate on the new ESSID?
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02:57<seanius>sheldonh: if it knows about it and the old one has disappeared yes
02:58<seanius>or if it's an open network
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02:58<seanius>so i have a home wlan that's wep'd with one key and work wep'd with another
02:58<sheldonh>seanius: using knetworkmanager?
02:58<seanius>sheldonh: no just plain old vanilla gnome stuff
02:59<seanius>sometimes i have driver issues after a resume and have to rmmod the drive and reload it though
02:59<seanius>but nm can't be faulted for that
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03:00<sheldonh>uswsusp seems pretty bullet-proof for my laptop, it's just the wireless networking thing i need to resolve
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03:21<suupaabaka>what's the command to list the hardware on one's computer?
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03:24<klys>lspci -vvv
03:24<klys>acpi also keeps a more detailed boot-time list
03:24<klys>not everyone can use an acpi kernel with their system
03:25[~]klys doesn't
03:25<suupaabaka>what's acpi?
03:26<dpkg>somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see
03:26<suupaabaka>ah, right
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03:32<suupaabaka>I'm a first time Debian user, moving over from Ubuntu. Debian's a bit harder to set up, compared to Ubuntu.
03:32<tcsetattr>try "hwinfo" for a more complete listing
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03:42<Profit>i have one file with .patch in the end
03:42<Profit>how can i run this file
03:43<Profit>in one forum was write it with command patch
03:43<Profit>but i don't have command like that
03:43<klys>cat file.patch | less (copy the dir); ln -s olddir dir; cat file.patch | patch -p0
03:44<Profit>i must write this ?
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03:44<klys>figure it out step by step
03:45<Profit>the file is too big with cat
03:45<Profit>i use putty :)
03:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, less is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. The ...
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03:47<Profit>i don't have command and less
03:47<klys>you have commands. echo `help`
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03:49<Profit>apt-get install patch :P
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03:51<suupaabaka>I have an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wireless card in my laptop, but it's not detected by debian. Is there an apt-get for it?
03:51<klys>see the hardware-howto or
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03:52<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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03:52<suupaabaka>Oh, thanks
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04:14<dbldtx>configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it
04:14<dbldtx>is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full
04:14<dbldtx>path to pkg-config.
04:14<seanius>apt-get install pkg-config ?
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04:15<dbldtx>Seanius THANK you
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04:16<seanius>that was an easy one :)
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04:19<gabrix_>hallo everyone
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04:25<suupaabaka>Thanks guys!
04:25<suupaabaka>You fixed my wireless :D
04:25<klys>gabrix_: 'lo
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04:26<suupaabaka>Now I have another problem
04:26<jm_>suupaabaka: sorry, two questions per day only
04:27<suupaabaka>jm_: :P
04:27<suupaabaka>I'm trying to access my other partitions, and it's giving me this:
04:27<suupaabaka>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
04:27<suupaabaka>process 4655: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
04:27<suupaabaka>error: device /dev/sda2 is not removable
04:27<suupaabaka>error: could not execute pmount
04:28<amphi_>suupaabaka: what gives you that?
04:28<suupaabaka>Double clicking on my other partitions
04:28<suupaabaka>The title of the error window is "Unable to mount selected partition" if that's any help
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04:29<suupaabaka>Err, the selected volume, I mean
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04:32<jm_>tried installing/uninstalling pmount?
04:33<jm_>i.e. if it;s installed, remove it, otherwise install it
04:33<jm_>someone else had exactly the same thing recently
04:33<suupaabaka>ah, i'll give it a shot
04:34<suupaabaka>it's going to remove gnome if i do that
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04:36<jm_>then don't do it
04:37<jm_>hmm look at hal/pmount bugs
04:38<tcsetattr>I think it's pretty clearly telling you pmount is only meant for removables
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04:39<jm_>but the question is why is it calling it then
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04:39<tcsetattr>the core problem is probably that you're trying to do something as non-root for which there is no basis of authorizing non-root users to do (mount a partition on a non-removable disk without an fstab entry)
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04:40<tcsetattr>whatever is calling pmount doesn't know enough to decide that pmount is inappropriate
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04:42<suupaabaka>i'll see if I can do it using root
04:42[~]suupaabaka switches users.
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04:44<suupaabaka>Nope, root returns the same
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04:46<tcsetattr>have you fixed fstab?
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04:49<suupaabaka>no idea how
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04:49<suupaabaka>i'm really new to linux :)
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04:51<azeem>suupaabaka: edit that partition to /etc/fstab
04:51<azeem>man fstab
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04:53<suupaabaka>that's scary
04:54<suupaabaka>the fstab file
04:54<tcsetattr>copy an existing line from fstab and change it
04:54<suupaabaka>sda5 is my ubuntu partition, sda2 is my storage one...
04:54<suupaabaka>in fstab, my debian partition looks like this
04:55<suupaabaka>/dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
04:55<suupaabaka>so i just copy that twice and change sda1 to sda5 and sda2?
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04:55<tcsetattr>and of course the mount point.
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04:55<suupaabaka>would that be /media/sda*
04:56<tcsetattr>if that's where you want it.
04:56<suupaabaka>I don't understand...
04:56<suupaabaka>apologies, I just wiped windows today :D
04:56<azeem>suupaabaka: it's your decision where you want it
04:56<tcsetattr>if you're root, you're in charge. you get to make mount points any place you want!
04:57<tcsetattr>you do have to mkdir the directory before you can mount on it.
04:57<suupaabaka>where would it usually go?
04:58<suupaabaka>oh, the mnt folder perhaps?
04:58<tcsetattr>I don't know if there is a "usual" place for foreign-operating-system mount points.
04:58<suupaabaka>they're both ext3 partitions
04:58<tcsetattr>/mnt is definitely the miscellaneous-mount-point area. /media seems to be a new version of the same thing.
04:59<suupaabaka>ah, cool
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05:00<tcsetattr>the last field should be 2 instead of 1. (1 is for the root filesystem)
05:01<suupaabaka>oh, thanks for that
05:01<suupaabaka>2 for both extra partitions? or 2 and 3?
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05:02<jm_>and use auto for file system type
05:02<tcsetattr>just 2. you want a 1 and a bunch of 2's when you're done. (and 0 for the things that aren't on disk like /proc)
05:03<tcsetattr>I don't know if fsck actually cares about that field anymore...
05:04<suupaabaka>would i need to reboot to see the effects?
05:04<tcsetattr>after adding to fstab, you can "mount -a" to mount them all.
05:05<suupaabaka> guys are awesome.
05:05<seanius>the /mnt dir is more for one-time mounts when doing something
05:05<suupaabaka>and linux is awesome too.
05:05<seanius>... and is kind of out dated
05:05<tcsetattr>it used to be normal to have /mnt/floppy and /mnt/cdrom. (maybe not in debian but in some other systems anyway)
05:06<seanius>tcsetattr: that's a redhatism
05:06<tcsetattr>yeah, sounds about right.
05:06<tcsetattr>I thought /cdrom and /floppy were much better. so of course debian changed them and made them worse again :)
05:06<seanius>for those interested you can read up on the history and rational for stuff like this in the FHS
05:07<gabrix>can i breack in i will be quick
05:07<seanius>generally i either put all my mountpoints directly in / or put symlinks in / pointing at where they really are
05:07<jm_>or simply ignore that crap and do it your own old way
05:07<tcsetattr>FHS should be given the same treatment as the GNU coding style document... read it and then *burn* it and do the opposite.
05:07<gabrix>it's a question about icecast
05:07<gabrix>on etch
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05:07<gabrix>ho do i name a mount point
05:08<tcsetattr>oh darn. I got that wrong. it's actually "First off, I'd suggest printing out a copy of the GNU coding standards, and NOT read it. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture."
05:08<seanius>tcsetattr: the FHS is a great thing for distributions, and for users it's good to know because then you know what your distro is doing
05:08<gabrix>what is the name related to ?
05:08<gabrix>do ami clear?
05:08<tcsetattr>for filesystem layout I actually think GNU got things right
05:09<suupaabaka>damn, gotta go and give a mate a lift home from the station. time just flew past. thanks for all your help, guys. i really appreciate it. see you later!
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05:09<gabrix>is it the dir name where ogg files are ?
05:09<tcsetattr>gabrix, you are not clear at all.
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05:10<gabrix>or the name of the first tune in playlist?
05:10<gabrix>the fist tune in playlist?
05:11<gabrix>do you get it?
05:11<tcsetattr>anybody else parsing this gibberish?
05:11<tcsetattr>what does icecast care about mount points?
05:12<gabrix>all right
05:12<gabrix>but i do
05:12<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Ogg-Streams are played 'on' this mount point.
05:12<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Your clients connect to http://your.server:port/mountpoint.ogg
05:12<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Otherwise, most assume MP3 and not OggVorbis.
05:13<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Err, Ogg+whatever.
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05:13<tcsetattr>oh, I see, it is misusing the term "mount point" to refer to something that has no relation whatsoever to actual mount points.
05:13<gabrix>well it has i a way
05:14<tcsetattr>and that question coming right after a session on /mnt :)
05:14<gabrix>it'd be where shoutcast gets the ogg
05:14<gabrix>i think a dir name or but i'm wrong
05:15<gabrix>it has nothing to do with the command mount
05:15<azeem>or the concept "mount"
05:16<gabrix>it 's more like saying the directory root for a web server
05:16<gabrix>i suppose
05:17<gabrix>hello everyone
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05:18<kuchenmonster>gabrix: It is where your client connects to in order to hear/see anything.
05:18<tcsetattr>so what was the question? I think the answer is you are supposed to give the "mount" point a name that the clients will find meaningful, representing the type of content generally available there.
05:19<tcsetattr>and if you're only publishing one stream: it doesn't matter at all.
05:19<kuchenmonster>Not exactly. Most client expect MP3 if connecting to http://bla:port/
05:19<tcsetattr>I'm too tired to continue
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05:23<gabrix>a mount point is
05:24<gabrix>so can i make to make a name usefull to call it ???
05:24<gabrix>eheh !!
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05:25<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Try again, less word, more meaning.
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05:25<kuchenmonster>gabrix: More likely
05:25<gabrix>how do i set that name
05:25<kuchenmonster>gabrix: But yes. You can use this to distinguish bitrates, for example.
05:26<kuchenmonster>gabrix: I do not know. It is long ago I last touched icecast.
05:27<gabrix>does anyone esle
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05:28<kuchenmonster>gabrix: Maybe you could look into the documentation?
05:29<gabrix>i did
05:29<kuchenmonster>gabrix: And not ping me.
05:29<gabrix>but wasn't enough clear ... to me
05:29<gabrix>it doesn't work...
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05:30<gabrix>sorry the ping
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05:30<gabrix>first ircs to me
05:31<seanius>dpkg: tell gabrix about icecast
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05:38<mcr1>Hallo zusammen
05:38<mcr1>ich hoffe, ihr könnt mir helfen, oder zumindest mir sagen, wo ich hilfe finde.
05:39<dpkg>i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
05:39<mcr1>ok.. sorry... yes, i am german
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05:39<mcr1>i have a problem using reiserfs root partition
05:40<mcr1>i hope here is someone who can help me
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05:41<jm_>why would you use reiserfs?
05:41<mcr1>this morning, my root partition gets an error while booting: wrong amount of used blocks. fsck with -fix-fixable told me: bad path use --rebuild-tree
05:42<jm_>ahh you have existing partitions with reiserfs
05:42<mcr1>it was a bad decision to use reiser. in the past, i used it an it was ok.
05:42<Nemoder>I've used it for years without any problems
05:43<mcr1>when i installed my notebook i used the standard fs. and it was reiser. but i will change it as soon as possible
05:43<Nemoder>mcr1: I believe debian has a seperate fsck for reiser, did you try fsck.reiserfs ?
05:44<jm_>fsck is just a wrapper which will call that
05:44<mcr1>i dont use debian. i use gentoo and gentoo has to as well
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05:44<mcr1>now i made an image with partimage.
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05:45<mcr1>of course: image from the defekt fs
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05:45<mcr1>is it possible to get my datas out of the image?
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05:46<mcr1>i did not make a backup in past.
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05:46<seanius>mcr1: you are probably in a lot of trouble if it is telling you to run with --rebuild-tree
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05:47<mcr1>yes, i think so..
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05:47<jm_>no idea, reiserfs always was notorious for poor recovery tools
05:47<Nemoder>ok I don't get this, I can log in via ssh and run a program fine, I can create a perl script to run the program fine, but if I try to run the script through a browser via apache2 it doesn't run the program
05:48<seanius>Nemoder: how are you launching teh script
05:48<Nemoder>perl script: $ok=`/bin/program`;
05:48<seanius>Nemoder: but how are you launching it via apache?
05:49<Nemoder>the script is in the execute dir, I just browse to it, the script itself runs ok just not the program it is supposed to run
05:49<mcr1>has no one an idea what should i do next?
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05:49<seanius>mcr1: you made a backup of the partition in its current state?
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05:50<mcr1>yes with partimage
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05:51<mcr1>and now i make a copy from this image
05:51<Nemoder>seanius: all I can think is that the program is crashing but I don't see why it would matter if the script was called on the command line vs apache2
05:51<seanius>okay then what i would do is make a copy of the copy, and put it somewhere safe
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05:52<seanius>Nemoder: do you know that it is actually *running* the script?
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05:52<Nemoder>seanius: ya the script prints output before and after running the program
05:52<Nemoder>and I'm getting no errors in any logs
05:52<seanius>mcr1: then you can use losetup to create a loopback device for the image, and you can try any kind of scary recovery tools on that
05:53<seanius>and if it fails, you can start over by copying over the copy of the copy
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05:54<seanius>Nemoder: and you see that output in apache, and it just doesn't run the program, or?
05:54<Nemoder>I see the output in my browser but the program isn't being run.. or it's crashing if it does
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05:55<seanius>Nemoder: check that apache has execute permissions on the program maybe, and read or write permissions on any files the program needs
05:55<seanius>and that the program is in apache's path
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05:56<mcr1>is it possible to mount the image without checking fs. my hope is to the most private files are not corrupted and i can copy them to another harddisk
05:56<seanius>mcr1, with reiser probably not
05:56<seanius>in my experience, when reiser fails it does so catastrophically
05:58<mcr1>shit.. i hope so
05:58<seanius>but if you really, really, *really* care, the bits are probably all in there, just jumbled around a bit :)
05:58<seanius>i've never had to do it from reiser, but from ext i've recovered data by actually searching through the image for a chunk of text with a small c program
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06:00<Nemoder>seanius: I'm not really sure how to give apache2 permissions for it.. the user I set in apache2.conf has full access
06:00<Nemoder>well not root, but everything it should need to run the app
06:01<seanius>Nemoder: i guess you'd need to provide more context on what exactly it is you're trying to do\
06:01<Nemoder>the program is a utility that changes the channel on my tv tuner card
06:02<Nemoder>I want to be able to control it via web browser
06:02<Nemoder>I can log in as www and run the program or run the perl script i wrote with no problems
06:02<Nemoder>but just not through apache2
06:03<Nemoder>log in via ssh I mean
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06:03<seanius>and you can run the script as www-data?
06:03<Nemoder>data? hm
06:03<seanius>the user apache typically runs as is www-data
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06:04<Nemoder>oh I guess I changed it to just www.. my apache2.conf has User www and Group www
06:04<seanius>try sudo -u www-data /your/program/here
06:04<seanius>assuming you have sudo setup
06:04<mcr1>for the next installation: what fs should i choose for a 50 GiB root partition?
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06:05<seanius>mcr1: i've never had any reason to move away from ext3
06:05<padski>mcr1: a 50 GiB root partition?
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06:05<mcr1>ok.. i use this partition also for my home. i know the next time i will split it.
06:05<jm_>yeah just use ext3
06:06<Nemoder>seanius: ya that works
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06:06<jm_>maybe you can try accessing it with that windows reiserfs tool
06:06<mcr1>with a windows reiserfs tool?
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06:08<seanius>Nemoder: and you're sure apache2 is actually executing the script (ie.e as a cgi script, not just feeding you the contents of the file)
06:08<Nemoder>seanius: ya i'm sure
06:08<Nemoder>it does some checks on input and prints out the channel i give it
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06:09<Nemoder>it even properly launches vlc, just not this other program that changes the channel
06:09<jm_>does it need a tty?
06:09<Nemoder>I don't think so.. it doesn't take input beyond command line
06:09<seanius>are you piping stdout/stderr to a logfile?
06:10<seanius>and does it return nonzero?
06:10<Nemoder>I'll try that
06:11<Nemoder>well it created the output file but it's blank
06:11<Nemoder>so it looks like it's trying to run the command, I don't think the script is at fault
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06:12<Nemoder>that was with $ok=`tune &>output`;
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06:13<Nemoder>is there a way I can test if it needs a tty? it works fine if i just run perl
06:13<Nemoder>but maybe perl passes on a tty.. I really have no idea how that works
06:14<ths_>hello all
06:15<ths_>where i can find drivers for my wlan card with the vendor is RaLink??
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06:15<jm_>which ralink chip?
06:15<jm_>in any case, apt-cache search ralink
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06:16<ths_>xbc, i have found the vendor of my wlan card it's Ralink, i have found it with lshw
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06:17<ths_>jm_, i can't find the relink chip, do you?
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06:18<ths_>xbc, it's a usb device the wlan card
06:18<jm_>well try rt2xxx-source then
06:18<ths_>you're sure?
06:19<jm_>no, your computer may explode
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06:19<ths_>and then when i downloaded the source what should i do?
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06:20<jm_>read the docs, it tells you what to do
06:20<ths_>docs?? where i can find the docs?
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06:21<jm_>read package description (it's ra2x00-source actually)
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06:22<ths_>jm_, where i can find the description?
06:22<ths_>on the net?
06:22<jm_>uhm apt-cache show ra2x00-source
06:22<jm_>you can also read it on
06:22<luke> Is it possible to close an opened session dvd? if so... how?
06:23<xbc>ths_, does lsusb show the device?
06:23<ths_>xbc, no not really
06:24<luke>I recently burnt 4.0r1... on a windows machine (at TAFE)... and i forgot to select 'close session'... They work fine on windows... but Linux doesn't seem to want to mount them????
06:24<xbc>ths_, you still don't know wich chipset it is
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06:26<ths_>xbc, yes but jm_ said that i should take rt2x00-source, that's for all cards
06:26<ths_>i mean or?
06:26<xbc>ths_, don't know, you have to try :)
06:27<ths_>but where i find the docs about the source and how i can install it, and find the description
06:28<jm_>luke: if nothing else growisofs -M and -dvd-compat shall do the trick
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06:28<gsimmons>ths_: "apt-cache show rt2x00-source". Second paragraph.
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06:30<luke>jm_, Thanks for the advice... Will give that a shot :)
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06:30<jm_>luke: not sure if -dvd-compat alone works
06:30<jm_>luke: alternatively look for Close session option in Windows burning app
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06:31<luke>jm_: yeah... I originally burnt it in Nero... and there is an option to close the session... But that only seems to be good for the DVD your currently about to make... there is no "stand alone" 'close open cd' option
06:31<luke>... that i can see, anyway
06:33<jm_>luke: ahh maybe it would require that you import old session first, which is similar to using -M with growisofs
06:34<luke>jm_: will have to cross fingers with growisofs, as i created the DVD's at my TAFE where I downloaded the .ISO's... I don't have windows machines here :p
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06:35<Nemoder>there is a Linux port of Nero
06:35<ths_>okay gsimmons i have done it how it is in then description and now?
06:35<xbc>ths_, ca you paste lsusb?
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06:35<luke>Nemoder: really? sounds cool... will check that out too :p thanks
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06:38<gsimmons>ths_: You read the description again. It does tell you where to find compilation instructions, necessary to build the modules for use on your system.
06:38<xbc>ths_, and "lsusb -v -s 1"?
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06:38<xbehave>if a file system is coroupted is there much chance of a recovery?
06:39<ths_>gsimmons, i have do that
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06:41<mcr1>what have i to do to mount the partimage via losetup? and mount -o loop
06:41<gsimmons>ths_: Keep in mind that the rt2x00 driver only works for a few cards. There may be a more appropriate driver for the chipset within your wireless device.
06:41<ths_>gsimmons, it's in /usr/src/rt2x00-modules-<version>.deb
06:41<xbc>ths_, there is missing something, would you paste "lsusb -v" ? :)
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06:41<mcr1>mount -t reiserfs -o loop filename /mnt/loop does not work
06:42<gsimmons>ths_: You'd want to install that package via 'dpkg -i', as described in the module compilation instructions.
06:42<ths_>xbc, see at line 84
06:43<ths_>i have do that
06:44<mcr1>no one who can help me?
06:44<ths_>xbc, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 15a9:0004 <-- is that my wlan card?? because with lsusb there is nothing
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06:46<xbc>ths_, yes
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06:57<xbc>ths_, what i found on this german site you need the rt73 driver
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06:58<seanius>Nemoder: instead of doing $ok=`cmd`; try $ok= system("cmd >/tmp/stdout.log 2>/tmp/stderr.log")
06:58<ths_>xbc, hey thanks i will try this
06:58<seanius>and looking to see if anything is in either of those two files
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07:00<Nemoder>seanius: it created both, and they are both blank
07:00<Nemoder>0 bytes
07:01<xbc>ths_, you find it here
07:02<Nemoder>seanius: again if I run perl it works, and I get output in stdout.log just not through apache2
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07:04<Nemoder>seanius: I tried $ok=system("whoami >/tmp/stdout.log"); and it says www, and I know that user has permissions since I can log in as www and run it
07:05<seanius>Nemoder: did the files exist before you tried running it via apache (did you tset it as your user first)
07:05<Nemoder>seanius: no
07:05<seanius>also, is the command that you're trying to run in the default PATH?
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07:05<Nemoder>yes it is, but I include the full path anyway
07:06[~]seanius is running out of ideas
07:06<Nemoder>the source for ivtv-tune is in there
07:07<Nemoder>it looks fairly simple, so i'm not sure what's going on
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07:07<seanius>i guess you could try replacing cmd with strace -o /tmp/strace.log cmd
07:07<Nemoder>the command line stuff is being created by gengetopt so maybe there's some funky tty thing going on with that
07:08<seanius>and then looking at what strace saw the program doing
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07:09<Nemoder>--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
07:09<Nemoder>ok so it's running and crashing
07:10<Nemoder>hm, can I run it in a debugger without tty?
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07:13<seanius>you could get it to dump core maybe
07:13<seanius>or run catchsegv command
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07:16<Nemoder>seanius: well that's not terribly helpful :/
07:17<pfizur>good lord, am I still connected?
07:17<Nemoder>at least I know it's definitely the program that is at fault
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07:18<seanius>could you paste the strace log too?
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07:28<Nemoder>well if the culprit is gengetopt maybe I can strip it out of the source
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07:30<seanius>how about ldd /usr/local/bin/ivtv-tune
07:31<Nemoder> => (0xffffe000) => /lib/tls/ (0xb7e42000) /lib/ (0xb7f7e000)
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07:31<Nemoder>just the 2
07:34<seanius>i think if you want a definitive answer you'll need to either read the source and/or get it to dump a corefile
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07:35<Nemoder>well the only functions I need are really small, I'm just going to try stripping off the cmdline interface includes
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07:47<Nemoder>ok so it's not the command line interface crashing it, very weird
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07:58<Nemoder>seanius: haha, I guess you were right the first time, I missed a file, it was trying to read/write to a config file in the user homedir which must not be allowed by apache
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07:59<padski>I have a 3gp off my phone I want to get a couple of frames out of. good app to do ?
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08:00<Nemoder>seanius: this was the evil code: char *config = (char*)malloc(strlen(homedir) + strlen("/.ivtv-tune") + 1);
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08:11<ranix>is anyone here familiar with Zmailer?
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08:12<ranix>I am idly wondering why so many Zmailer mailservers never refresh their dns. I have had three or four businesses in the last six months running zmailer who just totally failed to ever notice that we had changed our MX record last year
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08:17<mcr1>yes. i have done it...
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08:18<mcr1>using partimage i cannot mount the image
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08:18<mcr1>using dd to create the image, i can mount the image and it seems all datas are ok!
08:19<mcr1>thanks for your help.
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08:22<suupaabaka>I have a problem with my wireless card... It keeps setting itself to "hexadecimal" key every time I reboot, when it's actually supposed to be ASCII (I think). How do I keep it set to ASCII?
08:24<ranix>suupaabaka: I made a shell script to configure my wireless card for me, and execute it every boot (or manually). You could do the same thing. Adding it to the hotplug handler would be a little more correct
08:25<suupaabaka>I'm only a couple of weeks old, when it comes to Linux, and only 1 day with Debian.
08:25<suupaabaka>Could you elaborate, ranix? :D
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08:26<tolecnal>or you could add the network-manager package, which has its individual KDE and Gnome packages. makes it extremely easy to bring your computer around different networks
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08:32<suupaabaka>ah, thanks for that
08:32<suupaabaka>i'll investigate!
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08:32<suupaabaka>Oh, i already have it.
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08:34<tolecnal>being a KDE user, I use network-manager-kde which is the front end to network-manager, and it works like a charm
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08:34<epegz>Ich suche einen Root-Server für mein BrowserGame (zZ 525 User). Der Sponsor wird mit bis zu 30% an den Werbe einnahmen beteiligt
08:35<dpkg>well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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08:35<stuart>can someone advise on a Grub issue
08:36<stuart>is there a way to get a grub prompt, or do i need to create a boot disk
08:37<padski>stuart: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
08:37<stuart>padski, how? grub error is the first thing that comes up -- no OS loads
08:38<stuart>padski: issue is something to do with raid -- when enabled i get error 2
08:38<padski>stuart: tell us the error.
08:39<stuart>padski: raid enabled via BIOS, installation OK, but on rebbot, error 2
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08:40<padski>Error 2: Bad file or directory type ?
08:40<stuart>padski: installation in non-raid setup works fine and in that case Grub loads the OS
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08:41<padski>stuart: what raid is it ?
08:41<gabrix>what's the esiast cms based on ruby avialable?
08:41<stuart>paski: striped (o I think they call it)
08:42<padski>stuart: also, as a workaround, you could try lilo
08:42<padski>stuart: is it software or hardware raid ?
08:42<gabrix>lilo? uhm!
08:42<stuart>padski: hardware i think(?) - from the motherboards bios
08:42<padski>stuart: could be bios raid perhaps
08:43<stuart>padski: can i install lilo without reinstalling the OS?
08:43<gabrix>processor emu?
08:43<stuart>padski: BIOS setup means there must be an onboard raid controller yeah?
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08:43<lupine>stuart: yes...
08:44<stuart>ok, so hardwear raid
08:44<padski>stuart: boot from a cd, mount & chroot into your installation, mount stuff like /proc. yes you can reinstall the bootstrap without reinstalling the system.
08:44<stuart>padski: that sounds...umm hard.. is there a distro that would do that for me as a menu option
08:45<padski>stuart: that error might also be "no such disk" according to another random web page.
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08:45<stuart>padski: to complicate matters these are 2 brand new disks and i've never raided b4
08:45<padski>stuart: I doubt there is much in the way of automatic tools to do it. I would use knoppix.
08:46<stuart>padski: ok, i shall look into it over the w/e. Thanks for the advice
08:46<gsimmons>stuart: It's possible that you're using some sort of fakeraid within your system, which generally isn't supported. Better to disable this and use software RAID (md) instead.
08:47<padski>stuart: grub seems to have different device enumeration to linux, and there have also been corner cases in the grub-install script where it fails.
08:47<padski>gsimmons: shouldn't bios raid work with lilo ?
08:47<stuart>how do i use "software raid"?
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08:49<gsimmons>padski: I'm not sure about dmraid<->LILO interaction.
08:49<padski>gsimmons: me neither.
08:50<padski>!software raid
08:50<dpkg>i heard software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller., also see, or see section of the <ig>
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08:50<padski>the <ig> install guide ?
08:51<gsimmons>stuart: Assuming you're using fakeraid, you'd want to disable any such RAID options within your BIOS. Within debian-installer, create partitions with "physical volume for RAID" on each device you wish to use. You'll receive a "Configure software RAID" function, which will walk you through the process of creating a multidisk (md) device.
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08:52<gsimmons>stuart: More details are in the Installation Guide as by dpkg above.
08:52<seanius>Nemoder: aha :)
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08:53<stuart>gsimmons: is the process fairly straightforward?
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08:53<moicano>Hi all! :)
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08:53<stuart>gsimmons: and will "software raid" be close to what hardwear would do
08:54<gsimmons>stuart: It's quite straightforward. But you're welcome to ask again in here if you encounter any problems during the setup.
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08:54<stuart>gsimmons: ok, thanks
08:54<stuart>gsimmons: is it likely to make a big difference for me?
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08:57<gsimmons>stuart: That depends. md would be more portable, especially when you wish to exchange your motherboard. Are you establishing a Linux-only system on these drives?
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08:58<stuart>gsimmons: i'd like to but I need windows for a game and photoshop
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08:59<stuart>gsimmons: i could rely on a laptop for photoshop and forget about the game i spose
08:59<padski>stuart: are you sure you want to stripe the disks anyway ?
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08:59<stuart>padski: i'm not interested in data security, i would like a performance boost seeing that hard disks tend to be a bottleneck
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09:00<stuart>gsimmons: if new motherboard i am happy to reinstall
09:00<padski>stuart: np, as long as you understand what you are doing, that is what it is there for :-)
09:01<stuart>padski: im doubling my chance of losing data yeah?
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09:02<padski>stuart: if you want to talk strict probabilities, then its probably not that simple, but you have the right idea yes.
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09:10<padski>stuart: don't know if this would help
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09:11<gsimmons>There's a Debian-specific page at <>, which covers dmraid usage. It's an experimental installer option.
09:12<stuart>padski: thank. I also might try and burn a bootable CD of grub and try changing some of the commands as per some pples approach (via Google)
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09:13<padski>stuart: sounds plausible, good luck
09:13<stuart>thanks guys -- youve given me a few options
09:13<stuart>thanks padski, gsimmons
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09:27<clint07>hi all
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09:28<clint07>anyonw here ever bred cory cats
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09:28<Parsifal1>clint07 hi
09:29<Parsifal1>clint07 do you know bitlbee?
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09:35<frank>is there a way to find out on what cd a package is without downloading the cd
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09:36<frank>so that i only donwload the cd, when i know that one contains the package i'm looking for
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09:37<lupine>why download an entire CD for a single package?
09:38<mikkelorz>hi.. how do i set a proxy server in a shell script if my ip matches 172.*.*.* ? want if-postup to check whether or not im connect to the network at work and then set up a proxy if im at work :)
09:39<mikkelorz>been looking @ grep.. but i might aswell face it.. im still very new to linux :p
09:42[~]mikkelorz ponders the silence
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09:46<padski>mikkelorz: put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ ?
09:46<mikkelorz>padski: yes but what do i put in the script?
09:46<padski>mikkelorz: or there is a thingy that is all about what network has my laptop landed on. I don't recall the name ...
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09:47<ramoonas>hi all. i have a problem with debian software raid1. it kicks one hdd from array with the message: md: kicking non-fresh hda1 from array!
09:47<padski>dunno, someone eho does will chime in :-)
09:48<ramoonas>how can i make it would act as an array again?
09:48<padski>ramoonas: man mdadm
09:48<nubbun>any gnome users wish to share with a KDE user how to set the fonts for GTK apps?
09:48<ramoonas>padski: yeah, thanks a lot for rtfm
09:49<padski>nubbun: isn't there some gtk or gnome theme manager thingy ?
09:49<padski>ramoonas: it is in there, IIRC
09:49<nubbun>I've selected to use kde settings for gnome, but it hasn't worked.
09:49<padski>nubbun: :-(
09:49<nubbun>padski, yes it is there, but not effective in this KDE. In SUSE it works.
09:49<nubbun>so I guess I should check to see if a bug is filed.
09:50<padski>ramoonas: --re-add maybe ?
09:50<nubbun>but in the meantime, I would like to be able to set the fonts for GTK apps.
09:50<nubbun>padski. What is --re-add ?
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09:50<nubbun>Yes, that wasn,t inteded for me.
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09:52<padski>ramoonas: from what I remember you want to look into why it is kicking the disk
09:53<ramoonas>that seems logical
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09:55<ramoonas>padski: and where i should look exactly?
09:55<ramoonas>sorry for dumb question but its my first time with raid
09:56<nubbun>I saw a profiling howto on LDP. Perhaps that would hold useful suggestions, ramoonas.
09:56<padski>ramoonas: logs. if it were a disk error the kernel would log stuff
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09:57<nubbun>I'v had it happen that if you run out of ram, it will bring the system to a halt with disk access, even if you don't use swap.
09:57<ramoonas>no it were not a disk error. I wanted to test it out, i disconnected one drive, then booted debian, everything was fine. But when i reconnected the device it started to kick it off
09:57<ramoonas>i dont get it, if it is back again, why doesnt it work again?
09:57<ramoonas>seems kind of, stupid :)
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09:57<ranix>nubbun: if you run out of ram with no disk cache programs just crash
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09:58<ranix>nubbun: malloc and similar just return failures or things segfault
09:58<nubbun>Then it could be a disk error that only affects the second disk.
09:58<nubbun>ranix, I've had that happen too.
09:58<padski>ramoonas: this is useful info. it falls under the heading "it is the first error that counts"
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09:58<ranix>nubbun: 'thrashing' can only happen when you have swap
09:58<enya>i m new here ,and i wanna know is there a high patched fvwm under debian
09:59<ramoonas>yeah, ok then, but lets just say i replaced a disk, so how can i tell mdadm to work again with that disk
09:59<nubbun>ranix, but not always. Untrue, ranix.
09:59<ranix>nubbun: 'thrashing' can only happen when you have swap
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10:00<nubbun>ranix. One would expect it to be true, that is why I mentioned that it can happen.. One wouldn't be looking for the problem there, but there it is.
10:00<ranix>it can't happen.
10:00<ramoonas>never mind i found it
10:00<ramoonas>thanks anyway :)
10:01<fgh>The following packages have been kept back:
10:01<fgh>what does that mean?
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10:01<karnov>hi all
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10:02<ranix>nubbun: there are no mystical monkeys creating swapfiles for you when you run out of ram. Disk swap can only happen when you have mounted a swap partition
10:02<padski>ramoonas: tell :-)
10:02<ramoonas>tell what?
10:02<padski>you said you found it. --add yes ?
10:02<ramoonas>mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/hda1 - it assembles previously created array
10:02<ramoonas>not add :)
10:03<padski>ramoonas: it's been a long time since I looked at it :-)
10:03<ramoonas>ok thanks all
10:03<ramoonas>i have to go
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10:03<karnov>i'm fighting against a strange problem... my named daemon is chrooted and sometimes... not predictable in fact .. a lot of binaries and files loose their proprietary and group for named profit , does anyone have an idea about what i can check (i also did rootkit and else inspection , but nothing )?
10:04<padski>karnov: don't understand "binaries and files loose their proprietary and group for named profit"
10:05<karnov>oki , excuse my poor english ... i mean they loose their original proprietary and group for being under named.named
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10:06<padski>so same as if you do chown named:named foo
10:06<nubbun>ranix, the process dominating the cpu was kswapd, even though there was no swap.
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10:07<padski>word proprietary is user
10:07<padski>so "original user and group"
10:07<padski>or owner is perhaps better
10:07<karnov>padski : ok, thanks ...
10:07<padski>yes, owner
10:07<karnov>but i think you understand the result ...
10:07<ranix>nubbun: then your system was fried for a different reason
10:07<padski>karnov: do you know *when* it happens
10:09<nubbun>ranix, could be. It did happen when I was running enough apps to be low on memory though.
10:09<karnov>searching in auth.log, making a script like : lsof | grep -i named , and checked but nothing more than usual named dependance, socket and files
10:09<karnov>i don't know when ..
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10:09<weasel>what do you mean with 'lose their owner' anyway?
10:10<weasel>files have to have a owner, so who is it after whatever event happens?
10:10<karnov>i mean they change owner from root:root to named:named ... and named is not 0 uid or guid
10:10<weasel>and wich files would that be?
10:11<padski>karnov: there should be timestamps in the filesystem. I think maybe the created timestamp changes ?
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10:11<weasel>it also is very likely different files, check their inode (ls -i) before and after
10:11<karnov>nope if you change the owner i don't see difference in timestanmp
10:11<weasel>ctime will change.
10:11<padski>karnov: ls -lrtc
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10:12<karnov>oki ... i'm going to check
10:12<padski>I've got to say I never noticed before that it's done exactly that way. I was expecting the directory timestamp to change
10:12<karnov>files like : /dev/console /dev/ttyX /dev/someother... /bin/chown /bin/bash and many other ... and many /etc/ files too
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10:13<padski>karnov: it does suggest a possible security problem
10:13<karnov>i think but ...
10:13<karnov>the environement make it impossible ... or maybe named usurpation ...
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10:14<padski>karnov: narrowing down the cause is better than speculating :-)
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10:14<karnov>i know ...
10:14<weasel>I suspect there is a very obvious and clear reason to what you are seeing
10:15<weasel>like the chown root:bind of /var/run/bind/run in the init script
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10:16<nubbun>rmayorga, do you use gnome?
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10:17<karnov><weazel> : nothing in /var/run/named/ what was you expecting to find ?
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10:20<karnov>does someone have an idea about ls manipulation to know which files have their owner and group change to named:named from 2 hour for example ? (sorry to looks so lazy ...)
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10:26<padski>karnov: how busy is your machine ? can you use something like find / -user named -exec ls -l \{\} \;
10:26<padski>ls -ld
10:26<weasel>don't use that exec there
10:26<weasel>just -ls
10:26<padski>weasel: you like that ?
10:26<weasel>or -print0 | xargs -0 ls -d
10:27<padski>weasel: never saw that option before :-)
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10:28<nomeata>Hi. With what tool can I easily print one image across two A4 pages (giving me a total of A3)?
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10:31<nubbun>nomeata. No idea.
10:31<dotCOMmie>nomeata: man poster
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10:31<Anita_Sempai>debian español
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10:32<nomeata>dotCOMmie: what package is that?
10:32<dotCOMmie>nomeata: probably lp or something. let me check
10:32[~]nomeata is disappointed that gimp can’t do that.
10:33<dotCOMmie>nomeata: poster
10:33<nomeata>nor oo can.
10:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:33<dotCOMmie>nomeata: because poster is ancient.. I think
10:33<nomeata>dotCOMmie: poster sounds promising
10:33<dotCOMmie>nomeata: its nice, ive used it to print large graphs
10:34<dpkg>ja is probably nice
10:34<dpkg>from memory, jp is Japan
10:34<dpkg>methinks nmap is a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself.
10:35<Anita_Sempai>arigato, thanks, gracias....
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10:37<wipo>lo croman jojotiado
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10:39<lucas_amorim>Hello, how do I setup evolution to open links on iceweasel instead of epiphany?
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10:40<fxiny>lucas_amorim: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ?
10:40<fxiny>man update-alternatives
10:41<lucas_amorim>I will try
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10:42<padski>will ignoreip in fail2ban take networks, like say /24 ?
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10:42<fxiny>ops , hp goes redhatta
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10:44<lucas_amorim>fxiny: I do not know why but after the command I cant open links just by clicking them on evolution, it just does not work
10:45<lucas_amorim>I think the problem is in evolution.. there must be some configuration file
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10:45<fxiny>could be . i am a mutt servant . mutt follows update-alternatives
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10:46<fxiny>lucas_amorim: my gnome box is swithced off
10:46<lucas_amorim>fxiny: ok, thank you anyway
10:46<themill__>so does gnome by default, but of course users change settings ;)
10:47<lucas_amorim>themill_: I will take a look there
10:47<fxiny>anyway , redatta+hp="f* hardware vendors must get out more drivers"
10:47<fxiny>lucas_amorim: np
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11:00<vxp>is anyone good with postgresql here?
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11:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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11:02<Tb0n3>how does one close background processes?
11:03<azeem>Tb0n3: send them the TERM signal
11:03<azeem>i.e. kill them
11:03<Tb0n3>and how do I know which one is which process id
11:03<Tb0n3>I have 2 conky's running and accidentally saved that in xfce4
11:04<azeem>did you background them from a shell session?
11:04<nubbun>killall can do it w/out pid
11:04<vxp>i'm trying to restore one single table in postgresql from a plaintext sql file (not an archive). however, it fails with this error msg: ERROR: relation "tb_inter_addr" already exists i know it exists.. its a good thing that it exists.. but im trying to restore data into it. how do i do it?
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11:04<azeem>I think Tb0n3 only wants to kill one of the two
11:04<Tb0n3>or both
11:04<azeem>did nubbun just try killall kopete
11:04<azeem>Tb0n3: if you don't mind which one, just killall, or send TERM to both
11:05<Tb0n3>I don't want to close the wm
11:05<azeem>what is "conky" then?
11:05<Tb0n3>I want to close one or both but keep the wm open so I can save that configuration
11:05<Tb0n3>conky is a lightweight resource monitor
11:05<azeem>so you want to close the conky applications?
11:05<azeem>or what?
11:05<nomeata>dotCOMmie: thx, poster was nice
11:06<vxp>i'm trying to restore one single table in postgresql from a plaintext sql file (not an archive). however, it fails with this error msg: ERROR: relation "tb_inter_addr" already exists i know it exists.. its a good thing that it exists.. but im trying to restore data into it. how do i do it?
11:06<gsimmons>!tell vxp -about repeat
11:06<azeem>Tb0n3: then send TERM to them, why do you think this would close the WM?
11:06<Tb0n3>I don't know how to find their ids
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11:06<azeem>18:03 < nubbun> killall can do it w/out pid
11:07<azeem>Tb0n3: man killall
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11:08<gsimmons>vxp: It appears your SQL script is attempting to recreate the table, prior to populating it with data. As the table already exists, the operation fails at that point. You'll need to either remove the table first, or amend the script to only populate data to that table.
11:09<vxp>gsimmons: the table's backup is in plain text format not the archive that pg_restore wants. so i can only restore it with psql
11:09<vxp>however psql doesn't have the --clean option that pg_restore has
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11:09<vxp>so how can i drop the table first, if i am using psql ?
11:10<vxp>or tell psql to only populate data for that matter. psql doesn't have the switch for that either
11:10<vxp>pg_restore does, but pg_restore can't handle plain text sql dumps.
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11:11<gsimmons>vxp: That would be a "DROP TABLE tb_inter_addr;" command from a psql session. Just make sure you do have complete backups beforehand.
11:12<gsimmons>vxp: That or either remove the CREATE TABLE statement from your SQL script.
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11:12<vxp> /opt/trend/imss/PostgreSQL/bin/psql -U sa imss -c "drop table tb_inter_addr" worked
11:13<vxp> /opt/trend/imss/PostgreSQL/bin/psql -U sa imss < tb_inter_addr.sql worked also
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11:14<jirka>does anybody have some experience with ntfsresize pls?
11:15<fxiny>it just works , gparted can shrink piggy ntfs
11:15<fxiny>no experience
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11:16<padski>fxiny: doesn't it use ntfresize ?
11:16<fxiny>padski: yes :)
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11:17<padski>jirka: it has always worked for me.
11:17<padski>jirka: make a backup first
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11:17<fernando>plese cant anyone tell me if debian etch has a firewall?
11:17<jirka>ok, thanks a lot, i'm gonna give it a try
11:17<sheldonh>seanius: found something that works for me: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart
11:18<padski>fernando: yes
11:18<JasonS>fernando: same as all linux distros do, iptables
11:18<fxiny>padski: according to syysrescuecd site . time ago there was a ntfresize version bad , back when qtparted rulez . never had the pleasure to test it :)
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11:18<fxiny>i mean the bad one
11:18<fernando>because i have a network flooding problem in windows, and i just want to prevent the flooding in debian
11:19<seanius>sheldonh: what are you using for suspending?
11:19<padski>fxiny: yeah, everyone has a history and there are bound to be corner cases with a monster like ntfs, but it is pretty solid stuff these days
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11:19<fxiny>padski: true : now gparted rulez :)
11:19<padski>fernando: apparently firestart is good if you are in gnome
11:19<padski>fernando: firestarter
11:19<fernando>thanks you, so thats a program right
11:20<padski>fxiny: its nice to see all the activity on parted these days
11:20<fxiny>back wqhen the gentoo cd (sysrescue) was leading the gui foss partition scene , some ntfsresiuze versions qhere bad . today all is ok
11:20<padski>fernando: indeed. use the packagemanagent tool of your choice to install it.
11:20<sheldonh>seanius: uswsusp's s2ram
11:21<fernando>ok, so i will have to firewall runing , the kernel one and the firestarter , is that corret?
11:21<fxiny>padski: very nice : i wonder what pmagic resellers think of gparted :P
11:21<padski>fxiny: lol
11:21<sheldonh>seanius: the other approaches are very finnicky and hard to get right with certain hardware when proprietary nvidia drivers are used in x11
11:22<sheldonh>seanius: uswsusp is in the debian tasksel, and appears to come with a database of quirks for getting graphics cards to come back on resume
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11:22<padski>fxiny: there is a big market out there. just today I have been looking at the problem of changing a partition type from inside windows (to something non-windows). ended up coding up against DeviceIoControl.
11:22<fxiny>padski: lol ? relol this one : what about that ugly pig "nerolinux what-is-name" comparing to k3b ? FOSS rulez the world !
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11:23<padski>fxiny: I never know what to expect when I want to burn a disk on a random windows box. it is always whatever random burner craplet dell got paid the most for :-)
11:23<seanius>sheldonh: cool. theres probably a hook for you to put that restart cmd with that
11:24<seanius>at worst with acpi's hooks
11:24<fxiny>padski: dell ? heheheehh
11:24<sheldonh>seanius: yes. right after s2ram in /etc/acpi/ :)
11:24<fernando>does anyone know if the flooding network problem afect to linux debian etch?
11:24<padski>fxiny: see those ubuntu dells ? can't get chairs in redmond ;-)
11:25<fxiny>padski: have you heard of hp gone redhat ? more chances to kick hardware vendors a* imho
11:25<JasonS>fernando: of course it will,
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11:25<fernando>do you know how to prevent the problem?
11:25<bharathyd>fernando, hi
11:25<sheldonh>fxiny: hp seem to have woken up to linux quite well
11:25<JasonS>fernando: dont tick people off?
11:25<fernando>hi bharathyd
11:26<padski>fxiny: hp are playing the field. look at all that stuff they bought. dec. tandem. etc ...
11:26<bharathyd>can we keep an alarm in system
11:26<padski>fxiny: plus their own history.
11:26<fxiny>sheldonh: true : debconf said it very well . hp looks at debian too
11:26<bharathyd>fernando, can we keep an alarm in the system, which makes us alert wjen we are not at the desk
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11:27<sheldonh>fxiny: they're selling servers with debian support in south africa already :)
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11:28<bharathyd>fxiny, can we keep an alarm in the sytem running in DEBIAN so that it makes us alert when we are out of desk
11:28<fernando>and you have to install the alarm system or is already install in debian
11:28<fxiny>sheldonh: i wathced most of debconf streams : there was an amazing talk avout hp + debian . a very nice one
11:28<bharathyd>fernando, can u pleaase tell me the package name
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11:29<fernando>which one,
11:29<bharathyd>fernando, for alarm system
11:30<fxiny>bharathyd: does your torrent client fill your hd ? is a typical torrent issue
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11:30<bharathyd>fxiny, i didnt get u friend
11:30<fernando>i dont know the name, i though you knew
11:30<bharathyd>fxiny, im asking abt system alarm do u have any idea abt the package name
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11:31<simonrvn>!tell bharathyd -about search
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11:32<bharathyd>simonrvn, actuallly i searched in the terminal using apt-cache search alarm, but i didnt find the required one
11:32<simonrvn>then google it
11:32<fxiny>sheldonh: they sell debian powered serveres in south africa ? hehehehe straight in between ubuntu legs ? :P
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11:33<sheldonh>fxiny: ubuntu isn't especially south african -- except in name
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11:34<simonrvn>it's swahili
11:34<sheldonh>um, i don't think so
11:35<sheldonh>simonrvn: we have 14 official languages, 12 of which predate the arrival of europeans
11:35<sheldonh>simonrvn: -buntu as a noun stem is common to at least 4 of them
11:35<simonrvn>well, then go correct their web site, that's what they said
11:35<sheldonh>simonrvn: oh, well it may _be_ swahili. it's just not exclusively swahili
11:35<simonrvn>sheldonh: i appreciate the correction however :)
11:36<sheldonh>simonrvn: where's this web page?
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11:36<simonrvn>ubuntu's web site... can't recall exact page
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11:36<simonrvn>probably in some 'about' or 'what is' page
11:37<fxiny>yes , ubuntu is swahili but can swahili play Pere Ubu ?
11:37<fxiny>they cannot
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11:38<padski>hmm ... fail2ban-regex /var/log/syslog '.*'
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11:39<padski>yeilds: "Found a match but no valid date/time found for /var/log/syslog. Please contact the author in order to get support for this format"
11:39<fxiny>everyone uses fail2ban , i prefere sshblackv27
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11:39<padski>fxiny: I don't actually want it for ssh
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11:40<fxiny>padski: what do you need it for then ?
11:40<padski>I'm bored of stuff like 20 attempts to auth as webmaster to send mail, etc.
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11:41<padski>log noise annoys :-)
11:41<simonrvn>sheldonh: you indigenous to the area (just curious)?
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11:42<vxp>ok, here's another postgresql question. i dump the tables with the --data-only option to pg_dump 9so it doesn't make CREATE TABLE statements). then I try to insert this into another postgresql DB (identical to the first DB, but with crap data. i want to overwrite data in it) with psql < stuffIJustExported.sql
11:43<vxp>and I get: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "scanning_exceptions_pk"
11:43<vxp>wtf, why doesn't it overwrite? :(
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11:44<fxiny>padski: i use swatch , old 3.0.4-1 version . it can throttle and do PERLCODE=$regex='your_own';
11:45<vxp>gsimmons, you still there? :D
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11:47[~]fxiny wow signal detector buzzs
11:47<ramon>I cannot unmount from the GNOME desktop (icon -> Unmount). It complains about a missing /media/.hal-mtab
11:47<ramon>Any ideas?
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11:49<Tb0n3>I think that it would be a great thing for linux for deviantart or some art-based website to join up with the development processes of GUIs and maybe have a better looking system. as we all know, coders have simplicity and power on their minds and know very little if anything at all about what looks good
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11:50<fxiny>iceweasel icon is cute
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11:51<Tb0n3>yes, yes it is, but other than large developments, it would be nice to see a community offering services to our own.
11:51<Tb0n3>somebody should start mediating
11:52<ramon>I cannot unmount from the GNOME desktop (icon -> Unmount). It complains about a missing /media/.hal-mtab
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11:52<ranix>Tb0n3: because deviantart has a really well designed, usable interface amirite
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11:53<ranix>Tb0n3: when retards like that get their grubby fingers into wm development, you get fish swimming in your compiz cube
11:53<PCL>Olá alguém fala em portugues aqui?
11:54<ranix>which doesn't strike me as being particularly useful
11:54[~]fxiny wow signal detector flashes
11:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:54<JasonS>fxiny: is that some sort of anti idle thing?
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11:55<fxiny>JasonS: my wow signal power array detector ?
11:55<padski>fxiny: thanks
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11:56<Tb0n3>well, I'm talking about artists in groups, not admins of those art sites
11:56<fxiny>JasonS: still far from perfection , i'm working on it . dpkg should have one
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11:58<EL0HIM>hi @ll :)
11:59<Tb0n3>well, think about it guys, I'll see if I can get some mediation going on
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11:59<fxiny>JasonS: the idea is to intercept anything fromt unknow languages to spammers lines or nasty idiots as "wow signals" . is just an idea
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11:59<JasonS>heh you have to much free time on your hands fxiny
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12:00<fxiny>JasonS: debian gave me that time :)
12:00<fxiny>since i run debian i have plenty of it
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12:05<ramon>I cannot unmount from the GNOME desktop (icon -> Unmount). It complains about a missing /media/.hal-mtab
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12:06<the-dude>where can I find a channel with java, tomcat guru's ?
12:06<JasonS>the-dude: #java, #tomcat perhaps?
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12:07<the-dude>tried them they don't excist :(
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12:07<JasonS>tried on freenode as well?
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12:07<the-dude>no not yet
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12:08<the-dude>JasonS, thx for the hint :)
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12:22<evgen>ramon: you don't use icon on gnome desktop, use gnome-terminal ;)
12:23<ramon>Yes, but having to unmount every time I want to take out a disk is not confortable.
12:24<metalqga>there was a mount applet
12:24<bharathyd>hi all
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12:24<metalqga>disk mounter is the name
12:24<metalqga>try it
12:24<bharathyd>metalqga, can we keep an alarm in the sytem running in DEBIAN so that it makes us alert when we are out of desk
12:25<bharathyd>ramon, can we keep an alarm in the sytem running in DEBIAN so that it makes us alert when we are out of desk
12:25<bharathyd>evgen, can we keep an alarm in the sytem running in DEBIAN so that it makes us alert when we are out of desk
12:25<metalqga>out of what?
12:26<bharathyd>metalqga, srry when we are away from the desk
12:26<azeem>bharathyd: how do you want an alert to alert you when you are away?
12:26<fxiny>it's called screensaver
12:27<metalqga>use some cord and a wind-up clock
12:27<bharathyd>azeem, by means of sound
12:27<metalqga>when you go too far the cord will activate the alarm
12:27<malex>How does OOcalc choose which browser to use for hyperlinks in its cells?
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12:29<DaniloCesar>Where can I find a xlib irc channel?
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12:29<themill__>malex: there's an entry for the browser in its preferences, iirc
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12:32<themill__>malex: failing that, there's the settings in update-alternatives and/or your gnome settings from gnome-control-center
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12:33<malex>themill__: No, only has proxy/search/email. I'm under kde, so a click on a link in oocalc brings up konqueror even though I set iceweasel as choice #1 in update-alternatives for x-www-browser.
12:34<malex>themill__: Oh my - how wrong I was. x-www-browser was indeed set to konqueror. Must be one of the updates. No problem now.
12:35<themill__>malex: excellent.... there are too many places for this to be set... it's a pita. (and don't get me started on konqi and opening html docs....)
12:35<metalqga>apt-get install beer
12:36<themill__>!beer metalqga
12:36[~]dpkg pulls out an exquisite Dogfishhead 90min IPA for metalqga
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12:36<themill__>(much easier)
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12:42<sheldonh>simonrvn: born and raised :)
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12:43<sheldonh>the torrents for amd64 debian isos aren't quiiite so well seeded as the i386 ones :)
12:44<metalqga>running 64bit is a pain the aaa
12:45<metalqga>and most ppl still dont think they need the magical 64bit cpus
12:45<sheldonh>simonrvn: looks like they've already fixed the website -- says "African" at
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12:48<sheldonh>metalqga: depends on your application
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12:48<metalqga>what is your application?
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12:48<sheldonh>metalqga: i'm only downloading it for the purposes of benchmarking different the use of different cpus for the application of ip routing
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12:49<sheldonh>metalqga: turns out there's nothing wrong with linux routing. it's ip_conntrack that's the whore. limits total throughput to 143Kpps
12:50<sheldonh>metalqga: interestingly, the theoretical maximum across 100Mbps ethernet. so i think ip_conntrack was developed when 100Mbps was fat, and suffers from some limiting assumptions
12:50<sheldonh>metalqga: so far, we haven't managed to generate high enough packet rates to see the difference between freebsd and linux -- we're topping out at 430Kpps. but more boxes should arrive tomorrow, and then things'll get interesting
12:51<metalqga>good luck
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12:51<sheldonh>metalqga: but the second you modprobe ip_conntrack, that's it, linux drops to 143Kpps. freebsd has several stateful packet filtering systems, but the one we're testing flies
12:52<vxp>and I get: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "scanning_exceptions_pk". why does it not overwrite the crap data ?
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12:52<vxp>ok, here's another postgresql question. i dump the tables with the --data-only option to pg_dump 9so it doesn't make CREATE TABLE statements). then I try to insert this into another postgresql DB (identical to the first DB, but with crap data. i want to overwrite data in it) with psql < stuffIJustExported.sql
12:52<vxp>and I get: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "scanning_exceptions_pk". why does it not overwrite the crap data ?
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12:53<sheldonh>vxp: because it doesn't. it's a series of COPY statements, and COPY is an optimized version of INSERT
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12:53<sheldonh>vxp: empty the existing tables first
12:53<vxp>how do i empty the existing tables?
12:53<vxp>sorry for the retarded (most likely) question :)
12:54<sheldonh>vxp: for each table, you'd DELETE FROM tablename. try #postgresql on freenode for more
12:54<vxp>delete * from tablename ?
12:54<sheldonh>what i typed, not what you typed, and try #postgresql for more :)
12:54<vxp>just delete from tablename ? :)
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12:57<vxp>sheldonh: sorry, just tried what you suggested and it didn't help.. i've done: psql -U sa imss -c "delete from mytable" and then psql -U sa imss < /root/mytable
12:58<vxp>but i still get crap like: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "scanning_exceptions_pk" and ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "rule_id" etc...
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13:00<sheldonh>vxp: this is not the right place to ask basic postgresql usage questions
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13:02<vxp>sheldonh: it doesn't really seem like i'm interrupting much here
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13:09<MAX>How many russian people???
13:09<MAX>WHo speak russian???
13:09<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:22<c0rnd0g>whats the best SID frontend for (dict)ionaries?
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13:23<aklaax>alguien puede decirme cómo configurar una tarjeta de video intel en Debian Sarge?
13:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:23<c0rnd0g>aklaax: what is the best frontend to dict(sionaries) in SID?
13:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:24<witte>c0rnd0g: I used kdict a long time ago, but lately, i prefer cli
13:24<ermo>LINUX ROCKS
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13:24<benley>YOUR MOM
13:24<c0rnd0g>ermo: you just blinded my beady eyes thanks, f00l
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13:26<c0rnd0g>note to self: do not trust neighbors with microwaves/frayed wires/current burst devices, esp if computer is on metal table :D
13:26<c0rnd0g>cuz i cannot keep up with two timers when mine own aint that great :D
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13:26<darkstar>hi to all
13:27<aklaax>hi. I nedd help to configure a Debian Sarge but in spanish
13:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:28<repair-man>damn you dpkg you know all
13:28<repair-man>but, i guess it's your job
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13:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:30<witte>aklaax: /join #debian-es ;-)
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13:32<simonrvn>sheldonh: ok. and yeh, i think that was the page
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13:59<Lin>good (UGT) morning!
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14:03<Eulex>Lin, good (CEST) evening!
14:03<Lin>any french here?
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14:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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14:05<Lin>azeem I just want to do a private off topic questions about french. ;-)
14:05<azeem>Lin: do it elsewhere
14:05<Lin>azeem dont be so troll
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14:06<azeem>Lin: this channel is about Debian support, you just joined and want to do a private, off-topic question about french?
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14:07<Lin>azeem I just joined now. Normally always here. BTW this is not a good reason to not help someone. Im just asking if someone speak french here. I have to do a trip to paris and I need to know something about the city.
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14:07<azeem>Lin: stuff like that is usally better found on wikipedia or google
14:07[~]benley was going to suggest chilling out, but decides to shut up
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14:11<Lin>azeem I need a help cause I will send a message for a bus company. I want to buy a ticket. BTW. We have made too much noise about this. If you can help me ok. I can wait someone that can do.
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14:33<mcr>well, I just lamo'ed myself, and chown -R a bunch of stuff in /bin
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14:33<mcr>Seems to me that dpkg knows what mode things should be, and I could just ask it with dpkg-query, but I'm not sure how to get Owner and Mode out.
14:33<kdean06>Any Gnome users running Sid that mind doing somethign simple to see if a bug is repeatable across systems?
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14:37<unknowndj_>hi @all. Maybe I am wrong in this channel.. but I need some help. I installed Debian Etch (after years with SuSE since 8.0), have both KDE and GNOME installed. My USB Dev (Mobile Phone) is correctly mounted and opened under GNOME, under KDE there is wrong FS. Anyone got an idea ?
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14:40<mcr>"wrong FS". what does that mean?
14:40<mcr>is your mobile phone a straight USB storage device?
14:41<mcr>oh, he left again.
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14:45<Jim>ortam süper
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14:52<DePReSYoN> :)
14:53<Jim>haydi kizLarrrrrrrrrrr
14:53<Jim>Ganneff howe Are you baby kiss my pLs
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14:54<Eulex>Jim, do you have a debian question?
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14:58<Jim>yes yes
14:59<DePReSYoN> sen burda ne iþ yapýon diyor
14:59<DePReSYoN> adam
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14:59<Myon>DePReSYoN: stay on topic, last warning
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15:02<Jim>pesevenkLiq yabiorum
15:02[~]N3bunel away
15:02<DePReSYoN> :)
15:03<DePReSYoN>no mr
15:03<DePReSYoN> im away
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15:03<benley>in ur channel, ignorin ur away messages
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15:04<kdean06>Interesting conversations today...
15:05[~]benley wonders how long it will take to get Ganeti uploaded to unstable
15:06<dpkg>"This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day.
15:06<@Myon>benley: ITP/package/upload it?
15:06<benley>Myon: it's packaged :)
15:06<kdean06>dpkg is full of wonderful gems.
15:06<benley>Myon: there's a few policy violations left but they'll be fixed pretty quick I think
15:07<kdean06>benley, What's Geneti?
15:07<benley>(*finally* released today)
15:08<kdean06>Nice. :) I've never liked virt-manager. :) Though... I don't use Xen.
15:08<benley>virt-manager looks too shiny
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15:09<benley>ganeti is 100% BOFH :)
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15:09<kdean06>Oh man... BOFH was my company's training manual.
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15:12<hugo>how can i find out if debian knows that my soundcard exists?
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15:12<benley>hugo: cat /proc/asound/cards
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15:12<benley>and /proc/asound/devices
15:13<kdean06>Cards seems a little nicer. :)
15:13<hugo>hm the only entry is in devices and it says 33: : timer
15:13<hugo>in cards it says no soundcards..
15:13<kdean06>That would be a "No" then.
15:13<hugo>its an onboard ALC880 how can i tell debian its there?
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15:14<jesperj>First of all, my apologies, I'm a regular debian user, but my current state of mind is desperate and I have acohol in my system. I am in a crisis and need to get into a java based web chat. It complained abot java runtime environment not being installed. I checked "java-runtime". It was installed. What else do I need?
15:15<jesperj>Thank you.
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15:15<benley>jesperj: apt-get install java-package
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15:16<benley>jesperj: the gist of it: 1) download a java installer from sun or ibm, 2) run make-jpkg on it, 3) install the resulting deb, 4) profit!
15:16<hugo>when i run the soundcard driver auto-install routine it says it doesnt find any card so im kind of stuck there..
15:16<kdean06>hugo, Are you sure it's enabled and detected by your BIOS?
15:16<jesperj>benley: aptitude returned no results for "Java-package". I guess I need to go the route you just described. Thank you.
15:17<hugo>under windows it works just fine
15:18<witte>jesperj: you can also use the debian packages: sun-java6-jre/plugin/... (or sun-java5-...)
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15:18<benley>oh, there are distributable debs now? cool :)
15:18<jesperj>witte: I would prefer Debian packages
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15:19<kdean06>jesperj, If you've got non-free enabled, witte's suggestion will work,.
15:19<kdean06>And it's apt installable.
15:19<jesperj>perhaps they are not in Etch though
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15:19<jesperj>Will check my apt sources.
15:19<kdean06>sun-java5-jre is in Etch.
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15:20<piper>apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
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15:20<jesperj>Not that anyone cares but I'm fighting selfharm urges and am drunk but I'll try to do it
15:20<kdean06>I can't ever rememebr GNU's jcr...
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15:20<kdean06>So many acronyms. :(
15:20<benley>that one never seemed to be particularly useful :-P
15:21<kdean06>I've never understood how things worked in Java...
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15:21<jesperj>deb-src etch main non-free < is in my list
15:21<kdean06>jesperj, That's a source repo.
15:22<witte>jesperj: not the deb-src, the deb must have non-free
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15:22<kdean06>deb etch main contrib non-free
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15:22<hugo>anybody know how i tell debian my ALC880 is there..?
15:22<jesperj>deb also has non-free. maybe the swedish repositries are fucked
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15:23<jesperj>I get "aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin" > "Kunde inte hitta några paket vars namn eller beskrivning matchade "sun-java6-plugin" (could not find)
15:23<jesperj>i did apttitude update
15:23<kdean06>Change 6 to 5
15:23<witte>jesperj: could be that etch only has sun-java5-
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15:24<jesperj>It's installing. THank you very much
15:24<jesperj>I am very grateful
15:24<jesperj>I wish you all a good day.
15:24<jesperj>(yes 6 to 5 worked)
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15:32<necr0man6er>can someone help me out with a ssh prob
15:32<necr0man6er>i installed 4.0r1
15:33<JasonS>necr0man6er: uh huh
15:33<necr0man6er>if i login as a mortal user i get "i have no name!@hostname" prompt
15:33<necr0man6er>i don't get it
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15:34<necr0man6er>if i login as Root (wich i disabled now) i have no problem
15:34<Myon>broken /etc/passwd or /etc/nsswitch.conf
15:34<necr0man6er>i never had this with previous Debian releases
15:34<necr0man6er>i''l see
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15:34<jesperj>Thank you
15:34<Myon>that means that getpwbyuid($uid) doesn't work
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15:35<necr0man6er>how can i check it out
15:35<necr0man6er>this is a default install
15:35<necr0man6er>brand new
15:35<necr0man6er>what would nsswictch.conf normaly look like
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15:36<Myon>the question is rather, why does logging in still work :)
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15:36<necr0man6er>i don't get it either
15:36<necr0man6er>and everything works
15:37<necr0man6er>i also get this : -bash: /etc/profile: Permission denied
15:37<necr0man6er>and this : -bash: /etc/bash_completion: Permission denied
15:38<Myon>you don't execute that
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15:38<necr0man6er>i get tyhis when i log in thru ssh
15:39<necr0man6er>but autocompletion works
15:39<Myon>check the permissions of / /etc /etc/*
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15:40<Myon>probably all your /etc/* is r--------
15:40<weasel>.oO( somebody "secured" their system )
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15:41<necr0man6er>let's see
15:42<necr0man6er>in /etc/* i have -rw-------
15:42<Myon>drwxr-x--- 22 root slashusers 4096 2007-08-29 18:38 /
15:42<Myon>necr0man6er: that's broken
15:42<necr0man6er>how can that be
15:42<Myon>most of /etc/* should be rw-r--r--
15:42<necr0man6er>i just installed ity
15:42<Myon>with some exceptions, notably /etc/shadow
15:43<necr0man6er>i'll reinstall
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15:56<john>hi, it seems things have changed since my last install, is there a new command for setting up apt with new sources? I think I need non-free or something, looking for webmin-mysql
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15:58<azeem>john: webmind has been removed from Debian
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15:59<john>azeem, never had any luck setting up sql without it..... is there still a .deb package somewhere?
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16:00<azeem>dunno, I don't recommend its use
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16:00<lupine>phpmysql ftm
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16:00<john>azeem, why not?
16:01<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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16:03<ben_goodger>can someone please help me with ipw2200?
16:03<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
16:03<john>ok , new thought.... is there *any* easy to use program to set up mysql?
16:03<Myon>john: apt-get install mysql
16:03<Myon>(or rather, use aptitude)
16:03<lupine>apt does most of the work. phpMyAdmin can do a lot of admin stuff
16:04<john>Myon, I said easy to set up.... eg: set up accounts, perms, etc....
16:04<ben_goodger>azeem: done all of that... it says "power off" and I can't get it to turn on
16:04<lupine>and the config file itself is easy to work with
16:04<ben_goodger>radio off, rather.
16:04<petemc>ben_goodger: theres not a function key to turn it on?
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16:04<ben_goodger>petemc: there is, and it does nothing
16:04<john>k off to try phpmyadmin and all.... thanks guys
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16:05<ben_goodger>I think the button is just a keyboard button, which is problematic since fujitsu is not listed in the laptop keyboard thingie in debian-installer (using lenny, btw)
16:06<petemc>does (did) it work in windows?
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16:06<ben_goodger>this card hasn't been tried in windows
16:07<ben_goodger>the broadcom it replaced when we couldn't get it to work worked fine
16:07<ben_goodger>(in windows)
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16:09<lupine>rf kill switches ftl :(
16:10<ben_goodger>kill switches were mentioned while booting, actually, but it was replaced fairly soon
16:10<ben_goodger>(the message)
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16:12<azeem>ben_goodger: run dmesg | more to read the boot messages again
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16:13<ben_goodger>any ideas?
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16:14<azeem>there is drivers/kernel modules etc. for some of those notebook switches
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16:15<azeem>ben_goodger: try to lookup your model on linux-laptop or tuxmobile
16:15[~]ben_goodger salutes
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16:17<bighornram>I'm trying to cp avseq01.dat from a VCD but keep getting Input/output error. How can I copy this file from the CD?
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16:30<rudenstam>what kernel image would be appropriate for Core 2 Duos ?
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16:30<lupine>i386 or amd64
16:30<rudenstam>not 686 ?
16:31<lupine>you could use that too
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16:31<rudenstam>lupine: which one would you recommend ?
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16:31<lupine>depends on whether you want to go 64-bit or not.
16:32<lupine>if not, then linux-image-2.6-686 (or-686-bigmem if you've got >4GB)
16:32<rudenstam>think I'll stay with 32 for now
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16:52<Winkie_>hey guys, having problems with debmirror, trying to create a mirror for FAI and it fails to download some Package.diff files and therefore just quits out
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16:52<Winkie_>they all seem to be etch-proposed-updates ones
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16:55<eldowan>I'm not sure this is possible, or how to query a search engine. Is there a way to instruct dhcpd to only give out one IP address per hostname, even if multiple macs are present for that host? Other than messages being sent in duplicate / triplicate -- one per MAC -- what baddies could this bring upon the network?
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16:56<eldowan>BTW, I'm using 1:9.2.4-1sarge3 on (of course) sarge
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16:59<ths_>hello xbc
16:59<ths_>xbc, i still know what kind of wlan-card is in my pc
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17:00<ths_>xbc, the wlan chipset is: nvidia and the make: is bluejay
17:00<eldowan>ths_: as opposed to forgetting what type it is?
17:00<themill__>eldowan: please don't ask both here and on freenode at the same time.
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17:01<ths_>eldowan, the wlan chipset is: nvidia and the make: is bluejay, can you help me with the driver?
17:01<lupine>nVidia don't make wlan chipsets, last I checked...
17:01<eldowan>ths_: I've never been able to get a single wlan working, sorry.
17:02<ths_>lupine, and where can i find the driver for my wlan chipset?
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17:02<eldowan>themill__: is there a specific reason for this request? I've had occasions where someone is on one board, not the other; because of asking on both boards I was able to get problems resolved. I mean no disrespect.
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17:03<lupine>ths_: depends on chipset. Like I said, it's unlikely that you actually have an 'nvidia' wlan card
17:03<ths_>that's right what i say because i have ask a support technician from hp
17:03<lupine>lol@'hp' and 'technical' in the same sentence
17:04<lupine>pastebin the output of lspci and lsusb
17:04<themill__>eldowan: there's a good chance that people are working on trying to answer your request already in the other channel; since many of the people who are likely to answer your question are in both channels, it's just channel spam.
17:05<piper>realtek usually deals with nv
17:05<eldowan>themill__: hmm. this is the first I've had such a request.
17:05<ths_>piper, do you mean it's a wlan chipset from realtek?
17:06<themill__>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:0111 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
17:06<piper>eldowan: they have some very strange rules here, abide, ;) they will boot you
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17:06<ths_>themill__, and where i can find the driver for the wlan card now?
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17:06<themill__>eldowan, piper: no-one's going to boot you for that.... we're not #ubuntu ;)
17:07<lupine>nicely predicted, piper :)
17:07<ths_>themill__, and where i can find the driver for the wlan card now?
17:07<themill__>ths_: I'm working on it... give me a chance ;)
17:08<ths_>themill__, okay i'm sorry
17:08<witte>ths_: I think it is a realtek card with ralink chipset:
17:08<witte>ths_: if i am correct it is the rt2573 chipset
17:08<ths_>witte, where do you find that?
17:09<lupine> ?
17:09<witte>ths_: in lsusb, there is one device that is not recognized, the 15a9:0004, i googled for that one
17:09<ths_>witte, but there's no description
17:09<lupine>ralink chipsets say ralink, as a general rule
17:10<lupine>the realtek one seems like a much better guess
17:10<themill__>hmmm..... I'm getting 0111 is a mass storage device... can't be that
17:10<eldowan>isn't there a site by bjorn or somesuch that you can putin the addresses for lspci and lsusb to help build a database for address resolution to hardware for better support in the future?
17:10<piper>themill__: well, i have seen stuff over the years that would make any newer user or different distro that has questions about debian in general leave and never come back, :), me, i have been around too long to let it bother me, but others don't tolerate it so wind up using ubuntu or pclos suse, instead of debian, how the irc is represented sends a strong message to the user on support or friendlyness in the future :)
17:11<themill__>ths_: can you run update-usbids and then lsusb again?
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17:11<witte>lupine, could be
17:11<themill__>piper: unfortunately, that's true.
17:11<piper>100% percent
17:12<witte>ths_: do you by accident have a pavilion s7600n?
17:12<lupine>ahh, HP got really confuzzled - the Ethernet is nVidia :D
17:12<ths_>witte, no i have a hp slimline
17:12<themill__>eldowan: are you still looking for answers to your dhcp question? Am I right in understanding that you are wanting to give out the same IP to multiple ifaces all of which are connected at the same time?
17:13<themill__>hmmph... that usb id is still not known to lsusb
17:13<piper>nicinfo eth0 ethernet forcedeth pci 00:16:e6:86:e4:dd (nVidia MCP61)
17:14<lupine>You can get most dhcp daemons to hand out IP addresses based on the hostname the DHCP client claims to have
17:14<themill__>Realtek RT2573
17:15<ths_>is it a rt2573 chipset or not??
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17:15<themill__>ths_: it seems so
17:15<ths_>okay thx
17:15<witte>aha i was right :-)
17:16<ths_>and how i install it
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17:16<themill__>!beer witte
17:16[~]dpkg pours a quart of Piraat for witte
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17:16<witte>nice, dpkg knows the better belgian beers ;-)
17:16<lupine>rt2573 is brand-new to me, I must admit
17:17<themill__>those damned rt chips keep breeding. I can't keep up with them.
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17:17<lupine>urgh, it's the vendor-supplied driver. Is it too new for rt2x00 to have support for it?
17:17<lupine>may '07... probabluy
17:18<themill__>ndiswrapper claims to support it
17:18<witte>lupine: i do not have good experiences with the rt2x00 driver...
17:18<lupine>It's been variable for me
17:18<eldowan>themill__: that is the idea. I've got some laptop users whose wireless macs are eating up some ip addresses unneededly. it isn't absolutely needed yet, but it would be nice to see if that is possible.
17:18<themill__>witte: I have even worse experiences with the vendor driver....
17:18<lupine>rt61 and rt2570 support was rock-solid last time I checked
17:18<lupine>(under rt2x00, not the legacy driver)
17:18<xbc>ths_, the device from the lsusb -v you pated today which is 15a9:0004 is mentioned here You should try to follow the steps on this page.
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17:19<witte>lupine: for the rt2x00? good that you tell me, i was using the legacy driver for the rt61
17:19<witte>i will try teh rt2x00 again
17:19<lupine>oh... 2573 == rt73? Now it makes sense :)
17:19<lupine>I didn't test the rt73 performance
17:19<eldowan>themill__: and I do appreciate your attention and willingness to help. :D
17:19<lupine>so yes, rt3x00 supports it, and IMO it's worth a go to see how stable it is
17:19<themill__>eldowan: is this to cope with wired and wireless connections to the same machine?
17:20<lupine>if the physical layers are different devices, then you really want different IP addresses on them most of the time
17:21<eldowan>themill__: spot on.
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17:22<themill__>eldowan: ok.... if you never have the wired and wireless connected at the same time, then it should be quite easy. If they could be connected at the same time then I'm not sure what will happen.
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17:23<lupine>if they're connected at the same time, they pretty much need different IPs (you could bridge them to give a logically-unchanging IP)
17:23<piper>once you have the sources apt-get install rt73-fwcutter will do too, though have no clue in stable
17:23<eldowan>themill__: yeah, that was the part I was unsure about. they currently don't diable their wlan before plugging up. And they are the managerial users who are always correct.
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17:23<themill__>eldowan: *grin*
17:23<lupine>if at different times, then as I said, use the hostname-specifying power of dhcp
17:23<eldowan>lupine: I think I understand the basics on why different ips are good, by why are they absolutely needed?
17:24<lupine>because IP is unicast by design
17:24<lupine>or something like that
17:24<eldowan>lupine: good enough for me.
17:24<themill__>eldowan: the routing would be a problem -- there are two destinations for the same packet. (well, there can't be, but that's where you're headed)
17:24<lupine>it certainly /sounds/ authoritative
17:25<lupine>bump everything up to ipv6
17:25<eldowan>I'm actually getting fond of the business line of notebooks from hp. the nc8xxx seriec IIRC. The bios will force the wlan radio to off when the ehternet is connected.
17:25<themill__>eldowan: are your IPs that valuable that you're worried about them being wasted?
17:25<lupine>eldowan: it does /what/ ? Tell me that's nor hardwired?
17:26<eldowan>lupine: Oh, I forgot to state the option is a toggle in the bios.
17:26[~]themill__ envisages a micro-contact switch
17:26<lupine>phew :)
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17:27<eldowan>themill__: not a necessity, no. Just one of those thoughts that my co-worker had and sounded immensly interesting to find the answer to. Those are some of the most fun types of ideas to me. (its how I got started in linux too)
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17:28<themill__>eldowan: Fair enough. I'm guessing that your wlan clients not in a private IP address space anyway...
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17:28<themill__> /not/are/
17:28<eldowan>themill__: indeed so.
17:29<lupine>just order more address space :).
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17:29[~]lupine has a stupid amount of ipv4 address space, to say he only has 3 addressable machines in the house right now
17:29<themill__>eldowan: so it's only really a matter of "niceness" not really a worry at all then, since the private address spaces available to you are rather, um, large...
17:30<eldowan>I'll call in to the ipa delivery service first thing in the mornin'. I can't believe I didn't think about this already. DOH!
17:30<eldowan>lupine: its really not an issue, I've got control of the whole network, and can expand when needed.
17:30<eldowan>themill__: correct.
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17:31[~]lupine considers
17:32<lupine>the correct way to do it would be to bridge the wired and wireless interfaces and assign the IP to the bridged interface. I think
17:32<lupine>it sounds a bit fragile to me, though
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17:32<themill__>and I'd hate to try to do it under a certain legacy os
17:33<eldowan>lupine: windows XP boxes. and this would have to work at this sattelite office, and any of the other sites they go to on occasion throughout the country...
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17:34<lupine>heh, fair enough
17:34<lupine>although, actually, XP /can/ bridge connections
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17:35<eldowan>lupine: true. I would just be worried that it would work on the other corporate networks, and various hotels, airports, etc... and I would not want these firebreathers beating me down
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17:36<lupine>mm. if it isn't broken right now, don't "fix" it ;)
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17:37<eldowan>thats the conclusion and realization i'm getting on board with. though it is fun to 'fix' things once in a while...
17:37[~]eldowan whistles innocently
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17:41<witte>ok, I tried the rt2x00-source package, but with using module-assistant, i get the following error: /usr/src/modules/rt2x00/rt2x00_compat.h:28:2: error: #error Wireless radio support not enabled in kernel!
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17:42<lupine>ho hum, that's not very good. what kernel version is it?
17:43<witte>According to the readme, i need the CONFIG_NET_RADIO option in my kernel
17:43<witte>kernel 2.6.22 (sid
17:44<Eccles>Is this a sensible place to ask about freeing up disk space on amd64 etch?
17:44<lupine>well, you could try the legacy (rt73) driver from the same people
17:44<eldowan>Eccles: you can as, but I guarantee no sensible answer.
17:44<lupine>Eccles: apt-get clean is usually a good starting point
17:45<lupine>as is emptying your ~/.Trash, etc
17:45<witte>lupine, yes, i tried it (the rt61 in my case) before, and that works, but you mentioned the rt2x00 was working, i was just curious if you had a simple solution for it
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17:45<ths_>xbc, help me please
17:45<lupine>short of recompiling your kernel... no
17:45<ths_>lupine, can you help me?
17:45<witte>lupine: ok, not today, I like the easy debian way of installing (read i am lazy :P)
17:46<themill__>Eccles: uninstalling unneeded kernel packages is always a good place to look too
17:46<lupine>ths_: what with?
17:46<Eccles>Problem, ran out of disk space completely on /home. Deleted 14.3G of old iso file, df reports 1005 usage on home. system monitor shows 14.3G free but none available. Have tried forcing check on reboot but still no change.
17:46<ths_>i have installed the driver for my wlan card, and now my x server doesn't set up correctly
17:46<ths_>i'm coming every time in the console
17:47<lupine>ths_: just installing a wlan card driver wouldn't do that. nVidia graphics card combined with a kernel update would
17:47<ths_>when the pc starts
17:47<lupine>why are you rebooting at all, anyway? ;)
17:47<ths_>yes why?
17:47<lupine>just re-install the nvidia drivers and you're away
17:47<Eccles>have emptied the trash and done apt-get clean. Cleaned more space on another partition but made no difference to my main problem
17:47<ths_>i have try to reinstall the nvidia drivers
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17:48<ths_>but with no success
17:49<ths_>what can i do?
17:49<lupine>!nvidia one-liner
17:49<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
17:49<lupine>so you're doing that? (although 'that' is broken in lenny right now)
17:49<ths_>what i doing?
17:49<lupine>there's a point... what kernel version are you under now? (uname -r)
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17:51<ths_>that's my kernel version
17:51<lupine>mm, that should work fine
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17:52<ths_>i have try this: wget
17:53<ths_>with no success
17:53<c0rnd0g>ths_: tried disabling your SELinux temporarily
17:53<lupine>ths_: don't use the installer, do the one-liner dpkg told you all about earlier
17:53<Eccles>Any ideas about why rm -r does not free up disk space for me?
17:54<lupine>Eccles: file still in use?
17:54<ths_>c0rnd0g, and why?
17:54<Eccles>How can the file still be in use when it was an iso that nothing was reading and the system has been rebooted?
17:54<c0rnd0g>"hold queue hold queue hold queue" "he mein he mein" "insert on 3" "inject" "hold queue hold queue hold queue" "inject on 3" queue on hold LOL <-ramblings of an ms sql library systems admin + his idiotic team
17:54<c0rnd0g>ths_: worked for me
17:54<themill__>c0rnd0g: not you again
17:55<themill__>go away
17:55<c0rnd0g>ths_: disabled it here and nv works
17:55<c0rnd0g>nvidia.ko rather
17:55<lupine>Eccles: that probably isn't it then
17:55<c0rnd0g>themill__: why? i am too what?
17:55<c0rnd0g>themill__: if you be mill what is your long thang at the end of it? !slaps mill
17:55<Eccles>No it is weird I have 14.3G free but not available.
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17:57<witte>Eccles: where do you see this? which application
17:57<c0rnd0g>Eccles: then you need to run gparted or kparted and inspect
17:59<ths_>c0rnd0g, now i have do this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and now i don't have a screen
17:59<piper>Eccles: did you try df -h
17:59<Eccles>History:- Kmail crashed with hard disk full. df showed /dev/hda6 282G 268G 48K 100% /home, system monitor shows 14.3G free but only 48.0KiB available, used 99%
17:59<c0rnd0g>ms sql teal leut: "did you do the f***ing injection?" *gasp* captian: "i dunno, i think i did" "then wtf back to hold queue" LOL
17:59<Eccles>sorry that should be df -h
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17:59<ths_>what can i do?
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17:59<themill__>!ops c0rnd0g is trolling
17:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill__ complains about: c0rnd0g is trolling
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18:00<c0rnd0g>Eccles: install quota but 1st run `sestatus` to see if your SELinux is active, if permissive, it's unrelated, if not then `setenforce 0`
18:00<witte>Eccles: you could try to check your filesystem
18:00<themill__>Eccles: is that your 10% super-user margin?
18:00<ths_>c0rnd0g, what can i do now?
18:01<Eccles>forced a check on the file system on reboot made no difference.
18:01<c0rnd0g>ths_: log in terminal as root, run sestatus, if you see "permissive" then its something else. if you see "enforcing" then run setenforce 0 and restart your X server
18:01<themill__>ths_: wrong person to ask
18:02<witte>Eccles: if you removed the data with some gui thing, it could be that it is now in a trashbin or something?
18:02<witte>!tell ths_ about nvidia-oneliner
18:02<c0rnd0g>hold queue hold queue hold queue! he mein, he mein (spit) inject and hold queue LOL
18:02<ths_>c0rnd0g, i can't it doesn't work
18:02<ths_>with CTRL+ALT+Fx
18:03<c0rnd0g>no ctrl+alt+bckspce
18:03<Eccles>as root rm -r on file or directory name so not in trash.
18:03<c0rnd0g>Eccles: what?
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18:03<c0rnd0g>Eccles: that is retarded. do you speak functions or just something else?
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18:03<ths_>c0rnd0g, i can't it doesn't work with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPC
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18:04<witte>Eccles: ok, sorry, I didn't follow the entire story
18:04<c0rnd0g>ths_: disable selinux and reboot
18:04<ths_>and why?
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18:04<ths_>i can't see the terminal
18:04<themill__>Eccles: it's the reserved space on the partition. Change it with tune2fs
18:04<c0rnd0g>ths_: cuz probly unless you want to use another driver nvidia isn't going to work in debian/nvidia current state unless running stable
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18:05<c0rnd0g>ths_: try ctrl+alt+f1 to get to one if you can
18:05<ths_>yes but i can't go into the terminal
18:05<piper>GLX Version 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.11 2.6.23-rc4-slh-smp-1 i686 SID
18:05<ths_>ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work
18:05<c0rnd0g>ths_: disable selinux and reboot and do not use .run use debians version of nvidia driver, see #nvidia for more details on
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18:08<ths_>c0rnd0g, okay i am in the terminal and what i shoul do now?
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18:09<azeem>ths_: did you enable selinux?
18:09<Eccles>Thanks will try tune2fs in the morning. Tired now don't want to screw it up.
18:10<ths_>why? selinux is a command who he doesn't know
18:10<ths_>he = the terminal
18:10<ths_>sorry it
18:10<ths_>and why?
18:10<azeem>c0rnd0g: so what are you talking about selinux?
18:10<ths_>azeem, can you help me?
18:11<ths_>i had installed a driver for my wlan card
18:11<ths_>and then i restarted my pc
18:11<ths_>and then my x server doesn't work correctly
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18:12<ths_>what can i do?
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18:13<ths_>do you an answer for me azeem ?
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18:19<ths_>azeem, i tried to reinstall the nvidia driver with no success
18:20<ths_>c0rnd0g, can you say me what i should do?
18:20<ths_>or someone else?
18:20<themill__>ths_: are there any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? (EE or WW lines)
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18:21<ths_>themill__, one moment please
18:21<Prisoner>can sombody help me?
18:21<azeem>Prisoner: just ask
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18:22<Prisoner>how can i enter in one serv*r
18:22<azeem>irc server?
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18:22<Prisoner>and what is z:line?
18:23<Prisoner>thats the reason i cant
18:23<ths_>themill__, yes (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration
18:23<ths_>and Fatal error: no screens found
18:23<Prisoner>i am from greece
18:23<Prisoner>its greek
18:23<azeem>Prisoner: no idea
18:23<ths_>themill__, what do you mean?
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18:24<ths_>themill__, and many (WW) lines
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18:25<themill__>ths_: have you changed your config since your last reboot?
18:25<themill__>x config, I mean
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18:26<ths_>yes what c0rnd0g said with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
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18:26<ths_>themill__, just what c0rnd0g said with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
18:27<ths_>themill__, was that false?
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18:27<piper>Prisoner: #greek or #Greeks or did i misunderstand
18:27<c0rnd0g>ths_: get it working?
18:28<ths_>c0rnd0g, no no no
18:28<c0rnd0g>c0rnd0g: still black lit screen?
18:28<themill__>ths_: dpkg-reconfigure will have saved your previous config. It's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Copy back your last known working version and try restarting X.
18:28<ths_>c0rnd0g, black screen with one console
18:29<ths_>themill__, have i try but no success
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18:30<themill__>c0rnd0g: you made the mess, now it's time to clean it up.
18:30<ths_>themill__, what can i do?
18:30<piper>ths_: why don't you use paste and copy your xorg.conf to it (with live cd if you have one) agree with themill__
18:30<ths_>i don't have a live cd from debian
18:31<piper>ths_: any live cd will do
18:31<themill__>ths_: do you have previous xorg.conf files in /etc/X11?
18:31<azeem>pasting xorg.conf doesn't usually help much
18:31<ths_>piper, what do you mean exactly?
18:31<themill__>azeem: I think piper means restore the xorg.conf from a backup
18:31<piper>well here i gues it don't help so never mind
18:32<ths_>themill__, i have a file called xorg.conf.backup
18:32<themill__>ths_: what's the date on the file?
18:32<piper>from a backup or the video is screwed, many things you can fix from xorg.conf
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18:33<ths_>themill__, tha date is 29-08-2007
18:33<themill__>and is that before you were having any problems?
18:34<ths_>themill__, yes
18:34<ths_>themill__, do you mean that i replace the xorg.conf with the file xorg.conf.backup?
18:35<ths_>okay one moment please
18:35<themill__>cd /etc/X11; mv xorg.conf xorg.conf-fscked; xorg.conf.backup xorg.conf
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18:35<piper>yup. chances are nv driver
18:36<c0rnd0g>whats the difference between and antique and a behind? nothing! muahahahaha
18:37<piper>c0rnd0g: don't you have school tomorrow ?
18:37<piper>bedtime or something
18:37<ths_>themill__, you're the greatest
18:37<ths_>it works again
18:38<themill__>ths_: excellent.
18:38<witte>c0rnd0g: if you are nice, your mummy will read a bed time story for you
18:38<ths_>and what can i do that this problem doesn't come back?
18:38<piper>and give milk & cookies
18:38<themill__>ths_: ignore c0rnd0g ;)
18:38<ths_>c0rnd0g, you're a noob
18:38<piper>ths_: one would be not to listen to c0rnd0g
18:38<ths_>i think so themill__
18:38<themill__>ths_: installing your wlan driver shouldn't change your X config.
18:39<themill__>ths_: Had you tried to make other X changes but not restarted X?
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18:39<themill__>for example installing the nvidia driver
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18:40<ths>themill__, but seriously what can i do??
18:41<themill__>ths: did you try to install the nvidia driver recently?
18:41<azeem>00:51 < ths_> i have try this: wget
18:42<ths>azeem, okay i download this now
18:42<themill__>ths: STOP
18:42<azeem>ths: eh?
18:42<azeem>ths: you said that an hour ago, or are you not ths_?
18:42<ths>ths is ths_
18:42<ths>just on an another pc
18:43<ths>i have 4 pc's at home
18:43<ths>what themill__ ??
18:43<piper>what there saying is that probably broke x to begin with
18:43<ths>themill__, why STOP??
18:43<azeem>ths: you've been told several times now NOT to use the nvidia .run installer
18:43<themill__>ths: don't go anywhere near the nvidia driver directly from nvidia
18:44<azeem>ths: also, didn't you want to fix your wlan now, not your graphics driver?
18:44<ths>themill__, what do you mean? do you mean i souldn't install the driver from nvidia which azeem gives me
18:44<azeem>ths: I QUOTED you
18:44<themill__>ths: azeem wasn't telling you to get it, he was explaining to me that you had previously got it.
18:45<ths>ah okay
18:45<ths>themill__, but under system tools i have a menu called "NVIDIA X server settings" what i should do with that?
18:46<azeem>ignore it
18:47<ths>themill__, azeem but why i NOT use the nvidia .run installer??
18:47<azeem>ths: also, didn't you want to fix your wlan now, not your graphics driver?
18:47<ths>yes i will fix the wlan now
18:47<azeem>so why are you talking about nvidia?
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18:48<ths>i have do that what here: stands
18:49<ths>was that correct or false?
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18:50<Aleric>key repeat is not working again... I forgot how to fix that :/
18:50<Aleric>There was some command to set it, anyone?
18:51<ths>azeem, was that correct?
18:51<azeem>ths: why do you think I know about your wlan driver?
18:52<azeem>I was just saying that you tried to install nvidia .run program, nothing else
18:52<xbc>azeem, i suggested this page because i foud thus' wlan card ID from his paste there
18:52<ths>azeem, okay, i install never never the .run installer from nvidia
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18:54[~]Aleric found it in the irc logs
18:55<Aleric>Jun 07 16:59:17 <Aleric> xset r on
18:55<Aleric>Jun 07 16:59:22 <Aleric> That solves it :)
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18:56<witte>!tell evan about ask
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18:58<ths>xbc, is that normal when i will activate my wlan card that the window activate and activate
18:58<evan>i run debian 4.0. One day I just turned on the computer and it loads the kernel. It says lilo loading linux .......... but then nothing more happens
18:59<xbc>ths, don't know what you mean... ?
18:59<ths>xbc, eh nothing
18:59<Aleric>evan: You should switch to grub
18:59<ths>xbc, but where can i find my wlan router?
18:59<Aleric>That doesn't have that problem
18:59<xbc>ths, does the wlan card work?
18:59<witte>evan: you did nothing, and it did not boot? or you installed a new kernel and forgot to run lilo?
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18:59<ths>i don't know
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19:00<evan>did nothing and it did not boot
19:00<c0rnd0g>whats the difference between a box and a facial fan? nothing. muahwhehaha. what way does a facial fan rotate? it doesn't. muahehaheahe.
19:00<ths>xbc, my neighbour has a wlan and i will find this but why?
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19:00<Aleric>evan: boot your installation CD/DVD in rescue mode - mount everything (manually?) under whatever directory, then chroot /thatdir, then run: /sbin/lilo
19:00<xbc>ths, which driver did you nstall?
19:00<xbc>ths, +i
19:00<azeem>c0rnd0g: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for writing gibberish all the time
19:01<azeem>c0rnd0g: please add more signal and less noise from now on
19:01<ths>xbc, from the site which you gived me
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19:01<xbc>ths, does iwconfig show a wlan card?
19:01<evan>i'll try that tx
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19:02<ths>xbc, is that correct??
19:02<azeem>it doesn't have an essid
19:02<xbc>ths, seems to be correct :)
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19:03<xbc>ths, do you use network-manager?
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19:04<ths>xbc, network tools
19:04<xbc>ths, gnome, or kde?
19:04<karzy>What's up, anyone around here from when I used to harass this place?
19:04<ths>xbc, why?
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19:05<xbc>ths type "ps -A | grep N"
19:05<riotroot>i just installed Debian Lenny on my computer with LUKS encryption and grub gives me a Error 16 when i boot the computer.
19:05<azeem>xbc: that wiki page says NM shouldn't be used with this driver
19:05<azeem>dunno if it is still current
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19:06<xbc>azeem, yes, i've seen this too, that's why i'm asking
19:06<azeem>oh, that way 'round
19:06<azeem>I assume ths just didn't setup /etc/network/interfaces
19:06<xbc>ths, so no output there?
19:06<ths>i did that
19:07<azeem>ths: what did you put as essid?
19:07<karzy>anyone know any good efnet servers
19:07<azeem>karzy: how is that related to Debian?
19:07<azeem>ask elsewhere
19:08<ths>but is it correct??
19:09<azeem>is your wireless network called "internet"?
19:09<karzy>azeem go to hell
19:09<ths>no azeem i will connect everywhere to a wlan router
19:09<ths>do you know what i mean
19:09<azeem>ths: you were supposed to adapt those configurations to your need
19:10<azeem>not to copy them blindly
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19:10<azeem>also, I don't know what you mean
19:10<ths>and what i write in /etc/network/interface
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19:11<azeem>ths: how should I know how your wireless is setup?
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19:11<azeem>ths: do you even have wireless available to you?
19:11<ths>azeem, if i go to my girlfriend i will connect my pc there with her router, at home, with my router
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19:11<xbc>ths, step by step :)
19:11<ths>do you know what i mean xbc?
19:12<witte>ths: i think you can better start using a gui, that could be easier: try network-admin
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19:12<xbc>first: what about your wlan router: does it use dhcp? and wat's the essid?
19:12<witte>ths: network-admin is part of the gnome-system-tools package
19:12<ths>xbc, dhcp=yes essid=THS
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19:13<azeem>ths: so replace internet with THS
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19:13<ths>witte, thx
19:13<xbc>ths, does network-admin show the available wlan?
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19:14<ths>but xbc can i scan with my driver an my wlan card the environment after wlan router??
19:14<ths>xbc, yes
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19:14<witte>ths: for scanning the environment, you can use kwifimanager
19:15<xbc>witte, doesn't networkmanager do this?
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19:15<azeem>that doesn't mean n-m is the only tool which does
19:15<ths>xbc, no i don't think so
19:15<witte>xbc: not sure of this, I do not use it myself normally :-)
19:15<ths>the kwifimanager scan the environment and list all wlan router
19:16<xbc>witte, i used knetwokmanager which is based on network-manager and it scaned for networks
19:17<lupine>"iwlist wlan0 scan" ftw
19:17<witte>xbc: ah, did not know of that frontend.
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19:17<xbc>witte, ist really comfortable :)
19:18<witte>xbc: I will try it now, installing ;-)
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19:19<ths>xbc, and the entries into /etc/network/interfaces what i should do with that??
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19:19<ths>xbc, delete??
19:19<litage_>does /bin/sync also sync to removable media, such as USB-connected HDs?
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19:20<dondelelcaro>it should work for any block device
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19:21<xbc>witte, read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian - you must be in the netdev group in order to use nm / knetworkmanager
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19:21<witte>xbc: ok, that could explain why it does not work, thanks!
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19:23<ths>xbc, my wlan card works
19:23<xbc>witte, network-manager only manages interfaces NOT listened in /etc/network/interfaces
19:23<ths>thanks to xbc azeem and themill__
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19:24<ths>xbc, must i reinstall the wlan driver before i update my debian etch to lenny, or??
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19:25<xbc>ths, if you update, you will have to recompile the nvidia driver
19:25<ths>nvidia driver is no more
19:25<ths>i had a problem with my x server
19:25<ths>and i replaced the xorg.conf with xorg.conf.backup
19:25<witte>xbc: I will have to test this on my laptop, on my desktop with static ip, it does not make sence
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19:26<xbc>ths, whats in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver "nv" or Driver "nvidia" ?
19:26<xbc>witte, yes :)
19:26<witte>ths: why will you update to lenny.?
19:26<ths>witte, i don't know why?
19:27<ths>xbc, vesa
19:27<witte>ths: in that case, maybe you should stay with stable, because stable is stable ;-)
19:27<lupine>lenny's kernel was broken for nvidia last time I looked
19:27<witte>ths: and vesa is not the graphics driver you want
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19:28<xbc>man, that's a chaos here :)
19:28<ths>witte, what do you mean? nvidia is the graphic card in my pc
19:28<xbc>ths, vesa does not support 3d
19:28<witte>ths: vesa is like the standard driver which supports basically everything without extras
19:29<ths>witte, but when i install the .run installer from nvidia i have the same problem tomorrow
19:29<ths>or so
19:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
19:29<lupine>the installer puts loads of files in /usr/X11R6/lib that need symlinking to /usr/lib
19:30<witte>ths: there are two drivers for nvidia cards: the open source nv driver which is limited, and the closed source nvidia drivers
19:30<witte>ths: and remember you promised azeem that you wouldn't install the .run file ;-)
19:30<ths>yes yes witte
19:31<ths>it works now, why i should have my a brain with that
19:31<ths>it works
19:31<xbc>by the way you can't compile nvidia driver on the recent testing kernel
19:31<ths>because you helped me and i repaired, windows can't someone repair :D
19:32<ths>what do you mean xbc?
19:35<ths>dpkg, does that work without problem??
19:35<witte>ths: dpkg is a bot
19:35<ths>okay lol
19:35<xbc>ths, if you want 3d support you should try to get "nv" driver working istead of "vesa". Only if this doesn't work you should come back to the "nvidia" driver (which can't be compiled on testing kernel!)
19:36<xbc>witte, am i right?
19:36<witte>xbc: ths is on a 2.6.18-5 kernel from stable
19:36<ths>yes stable
19:37<witte>xbc: i do not know if nv supports 3d, but it supports the nvidia chipset to much higher resolutions than the vesa card
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19:37<witte>xbc: in any case nv is much better than vesa for nvidia cards...
19:37<ths>witte, much higher resolutions? i have at the moment a resolution of 1280*1024
19:37<ths>and that's normal for a 19''
19:38<witte>ths: ah, that is quite acceptable
19:38<xbc>ths, you should try to replace "vesa" with "nv" in you xorg.conf file.
19:38<ths>why xbc ?
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19:38<ths>could i have problem when i replace "vesa" with "nv"
19:39<witte>ths: normally you won't have any problems, but your card will be faster, support dri (i think), ...
19:39[~]piper is putting more beer in fridge: Gone away for now.
19:39<xbc>you should make a backup of xorg.conf!
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19:39<ths>okay i replace "vesa" with "nv"
19:39<xbc>ths, you should make a backup of xorg.conf!
19:39<ths>xbc, i make it
19:39<witte>ths: you can always read man nv and man vesa
19:41<ths>okay backup done and replace done, should i restart my pc now?
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19:41<witte>ths: that is the only way to test it
19:41<witte>restart your X
19:41<ths>restart my X
19:41<ths>an why??
19:42<witte>in X, you do ctrl-alt-backspace
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19:42<witte>you do not need to reboot
19:42<witte>ah, he did that :-)
19:42<witte>if it takes more than 5 minutes, it did not work :-)
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19:43<xbc>witte, :)
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19:46<witte>ths: did it work?
19:46<ths>xbc, azeem no that doesn't work
19:46<ths>witte, no
19:46<witte>could you elaborate on the doesn't work part
19:46<ths>my screen said me: cannot display......
19:47<xbc>ths, can you give a lspci ß
19:47<ths>please screen resolution to 1028*1024/60HZ
19:47<xbc>ths, can you give a lspci ?
19:47<xbc>ths, do you konow wich card it is?
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19:48<ths>it's a nvidia 6150LE
19:48[~]piper is back.
19:49<ths>xbc, a GeForce 6150 LE
19:49<ths>why xbc?
19:49<xbc>man nv say it supports: GeForce 6XXX NV40, NV41, NV43, NV44, NV45, C51
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19:49<xbc>ths, not sure if your's is supported
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19:50<ths>xbc i see
19:50<ths>but why doesn't work
19:50<ths>may about the LE :D
19:50<ths>after 6150
19:51<xbc>ths, try replacing "nv" with "nvidia" and restart X
19:51<xbc>ths, yust for testing :)
19:51<ths>xbc, ctrl+alt+backspc??
19:51<xbc>ths, yes
19:51<ths>okay 3
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19:52<witte>xbc: it will not work, he must first install the nvidia drivers
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19:53<xbc>witte, he installed it yesterday - or was it today? :)
19:53<witte>xbc: sort of, but not using the debian way, so i am not sure he did it correctly
19:54<witte>if it doesn't work, do "!tell ths about nvidia one-liner", and afterwards it should work
19:54<xbc>witte, but what should ou do if "nv" just doen't work :\
19:54<witte>for me, it it time to go to bed...
19:54<witte>xbc: it could be that the nv driver from stable is not new enough
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19:55<ths>i'll be back
19:55<ths>xbc, no success
19:55<ths>he send me to the console
19:55<xbc>!tell xbc about nvidia one-liner
19:56<ths>xbc, what is one-liner?
19:56<xbc>ths, i don't know this is confusing me o0
19:56<xbc>ths, :)
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19:57<witte>xbc: I checked on a stable machine, and the nv driver should work as well
19:58<witte>ths: good luck with your system, it will work in the end, but I am to tired to stay here, i have to work tomorrow
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19:58<xbc>witte, cu :)
19:58<ths>i have the kernel 2.6.18-5-k7
19:58<ths>cu witte
19:58<ths>witte, and thanks
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19:59<witte>ths: no thnank, in the end, it did not work, did it ;-)
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19:59<xbc>ths, untill you know better you can use "vesa" :)
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20:00<ths>xbc, i think so
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20:01<ths>xbc, i go to bed i'm very tired and 20hours pc today is for me deadly :D
20:01<ths>xbc, thanks for your help
20:01<ths>xbc, cu
20:01<xbc>ths, sleep well :)
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20:01<ths>thanks you too
20:02<ths>when you go to bed of course :D
20:02<xbc>ths, :)
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20:03<gil>how i make, test the lag time!
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20:14<Antichrist>I'm having a problem with IceWeasel can anyone help me out?!
20:14<xbc>is the server lagging?
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20:16<xbc>Antichrist what problem?
20:16<Aleric>Thou Shall Not Help The Antichrist.
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20:17<xbc>Aleric, ?
20:17<Antichrist>I can't seem to install flash properly. First I did it manually, and nothing displays right, youtube gives me an error and icemonkey crashes.
20:17<Aleric>hint: use a less offending nick.
20:17<_moep_>somebody have some expierince with alsa and 5.1 sound? i edit my .asoundrc but can here only front + rear and no sub/center
20:17<Antichrist>Then I used apt-get and its still the same problem.
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20:18<xbc>Aleric, i think it's a book title :)
20:18<xbc>Aleric, no not really
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20:19<xbc>Antichrist, doesn't iceweasel shows that it can download flash pluginß
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20:20<Antichrist>Yeah, but when I click that it says it fails and that I need to do it manually.
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20:21<xbc>Antichrist, i had the same problem, but i don't remember what i did :\
20:22<xbc>Antichrist, aure you using stable or testing?
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20:23<piper>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree does not work ?
20:23<Antichrist>I'm using stable
20:23<Aleric>I had the same problem
20:24<Aleric>It went away by itself I think... a restart of iceweasel, or even a reboot...?
20:24<piper>has to be a stable problem works fine in sid, testing, what version of iceweasel
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20:25<Aleric>I'm using testing
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20:25<piper>does it show in about:plugins
20:25<Antichrist>Newest version of IceWeasel.
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20:27<Antichrist>Yeah it shows, but it doesn't work properly.
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20:28<xbc>Antichrist, and konqueror?
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20:29<Antichrist>I don't use konqueror
20:29<munki>hey, anyone here know how to get a usb-ide adapter working?
20:29<xbc>Antichrist, do you use gnome?
20:30<xbc>what's it there... the browser?
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20:31<xbc>Antichrist, Epiphany - does it show youtube?
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20:32<Antichrist>Nope, does the exact same thing. Doesn't show the video, says I need the newest version of Flash and crashes when I try to navigate away from the page.
20:33<piper>what version of flash
20:34<piper>Flash 9.0 r48
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20:41<piper>Antichrist: try doing apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree then try going here username - sidux password - unstable and installing it when asked about the plugin
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20:42<Antichrist>okay, thanks. I'll try that
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20:45<piper>Antichrist: if that don't work, i have no clue, that don't fail for any debian distro
20:45<piper>debian "based"
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20:48<Antichrist>I logged in but I see nothing about a plug-in
20:49<Antichrist>and I don't understand how a search engine has anything to do with flash.
20:50<piper>Antichrist: try again , see if it works now, should be on upper left corner
20:51<piper>Antichrist: it installs flash if you click on it, works on both unstable and testing, mepis, etc ...
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20:53<Antichrist>upper left corner is just a banner and underneath says "my page"
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20:53<piper>i have no clue, i send many people there and just tested it myself
20:54<Antichrist>thats strange
20:54<Antichrist>what's it supposed to look like?
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20:54<piper>in iceweasel it asks you to install flash plugin
20:56<Antichrist>maybe its because i'm using etch
20:56<piper>Antichrist: i don't know how stable works, maybe you need non-free sources
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20:57<piper>i can't post anything cause it will break your system and the stable guys don't like us ;)
20:57<xbc>Antichrist, etch isn't the problem, it works fine here
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20:57<dondelelcaro>Antichrist: you should (in theory) be able to add a non-free entry to your sources.list and install the flashplugin-nonfree-installer (or whatever it's called) package
20:58<Antichrist>I'm way ahead of you.
20:58<dondelelcaro>good, then you're already finished.
20:58<Antichrist>I've already done that, flash is installed, but it refuses to operate properly.
20:58<dondelelcaro>does it show in about:plugins?
20:59<piper>Antichrist: you didn't purge it that is why it didn't work, it should be uninstalled if purged
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21:00<Antichrist>I did purge it, so I'll try apt-get again and see if it works by reinstalling
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21:03<suupaabaka>Heya. I'm trying to play a video file using mplayer, and it wouldn't open. I tried running it from the console, and i get this: X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation). However, the file plays flawlessly in Ubuntu. Anyone have any ideas?
21:04<xbc>suupaabaka, what kind of file is it?
21:05<suupaabaka>xbc: It's an .mkv file. It's encoded in h264.
21:08<Antichrist>apparently there's no usable version of flashplugin-nonfree for debian stable
21:08<vsrinivas>yay, I think
21:09<vsrinivas>who needs that evil freedom-stealing software? </sarcasm>
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21:11<suupaabaka>it's strange... i can't get mplayer to function the way i want it to in debian, but it's flawless in ubuntu...
21:11<piper>in mplayer preferences under video change to xv X11/Xv that *might work
21:11<piper>for most* issues
21:11<piper>not all
21:11<vsrinivas>what functions in utnubu but not debian for you?
21:11<suupaabaka>i've already done that
21:12<suupaabaka>I enable sid=0 in mplayer config, and everything's fine in Ubuntu. But on various video files, I get an error message when i open them on debian, even though the subtitles show properly.
21:13<suupaabaka>and the h264 file on debian just doesn't play, but it works fine on ubuntu
21:15<manphiz>maybe w32codecs could help
21:15<suupaabaka>i've already got them
21:15<suupaabaka>and i've tried removing them as well
21:16<manphiz>well, my mplayer+w32codecs plays x264 files pretty well...
21:17<suupaabaka>really strange...
21:17<piper>libdvdcss2 installed
21:17<tcsetattr>an X11 BadAlloc error is in the _output_ module... not the codec
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21:18<suupaabaka>what's the output module?
21:18<tcsetattr>so first, try playing it with -vo null. that will test the codec without producing video output. and look for errors on the terminal where you ran it.
21:19<suupaabaka>tcsetattr: no errors
21:19<tcsetattr>ok, now try -vo x11
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21:20<suupaabaka>what the...
21:20<tcsetattr>-vo x11 is the basic X11 output without hardware-accelerated scaling
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21:20<suupaabaka>it worked
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21:20<tcsetattr>so it will eat more CPU but might work where the accelerated one doesn't.
21:20<tcsetattr>and if you do -vo xv and get an error, then we have narrowed down the search.
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21:21<suupaabaka>Yep, -vo xv doesn't work
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21:21<tcsetattr>how big is the video?
21:21<tcsetattr>width x height I mean
21:22<Antichrist>wtf, even backporting the newer version of flsah still won't work
21:22<suupaabaka>it's 1280,720
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21:23<tcsetattr>ah, high resolution... maybe it's too big for the Xv driver to support?
21:23<suupaabaka>but it worked on Ubuntu
21:24<tcsetattr>ubuntu probably has a newer verison of mplayer that handles the problem (whatever it is) more gracefully. or it might just be an mplayer bug that's been fixed. mplayer changes pretty fast and Debian doesn't really try to keep up.
21:24<Antichrist>It works.
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21:24<xbc>Antichrist, so what was the point?
21:24<jclinton>is there a way to examine a .deb file waiting in the new queue?
21:25<Antichrist>There's a bug in the current vversion of flashplugin-nonfree in stable, so I backported the one from unstable
21:25<suupaabaka>ah, i see
21:25<suupaabaka>is there any way i could update mplayer?
21:26<suupaabaka>i'm pretty new to linux; the cli still scares me a little :P
21:26<Antichrist>and it wasn't working at first, but restarting iceweasel a couple of times fixed it.
21:26<xbc>Antichrist, ah
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21:29<gravity>The cli is totally your friend and compatriot
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21:29<suupaabaka>i'm starting to learn that, hehe.
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21:30<suupaabaka>it actually gave me information on WHY mplayer would just crash when it tried to play that video
21:30<tcsetattr>maybe there's a newer "backported" mplayer somewhere...
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21:30<suupaabaka>how would i find it?
21:30<vsrinivas>debian multimedia
21:30<suupaabaka>i have that repository
21:30<suupaabaka>, right?
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21:31<suupaabaka>apt-get update does nothing :(
21:31<suupaabaka>what are the benefits of using xv, anyway>
21:32<vsrinivas>scaling is low-cpu-usage
21:32<tcsetattr>xv offloads some of the work from the CPU to your graphics card.
21:32<tcsetattr>if your CPU is plenty fast this won't really matter, but if your CPU is on the boundary, xv can make the difference between playing well and playing jerky
21:33<tcsetattr>the only way to have an up to date mplayer is to svn checkout and compile it. and it might not even fix your problem. but if it doesn't at least you'd have a valid bug report. mplayer developers won't be interested in a bug in Debian's version
21:33<Xenguy>suupaabaka: graphic manipulation?
21:33<suupaabaka>ah, i see. i've only got intel chipset graphics.
21:33<suupaabaka>Xenguy: What do you mean?
21:33<vsrinivas>intel graphics is just fine
21:33<vsrinivas>works great with xv
21:33<Xenguy>suupaabaka: just wondering what you want xv for?
21:33<tcsetattr>every graphics card these days supports Xv... for maybe the last 8 years :)
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21:34<tcsetattr>Xenguy, we are discussing libXv, the X Video extension, not xv(1) the old image editor :)
21:34<suupaabaka>Xenguy: I'm not sure, really. I was just told xv was the best output to use on mplayer.
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21:34<vsrinivas>its a good output, sure
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21:34<vsrinivas>but not a must-have
21:34<Xenguy>suupaabaka: OK, shrug, me no know :-)
21:34<Xenguy>tcsetattr: IC, don't know that stuff at all
21:34<ameyer>wait, that's nv
21:34[~]tcsetattr experiences xv(-the-image-editor) nostalgia
21:35<ameyer>I was gonna say the (older) nvidia open source driver's xv, but it isn't
21:35<Xenguy>tcsetattr: heh, it was a long time ago I guess :-)
21:36<tcsetattr>xv was kind of cool. it died out due to non-free-ness and the emergence of gimp.
21:36<suupaabaka>Hmmm... I don't see a difference between a video on xv and x11...
21:36<Xenguy>tcsetattr: yeah, the non-free was an annoyance :-)
21:36<vsrinivas>suupaabaka, x11 uses the cpu to resize video - try changing the window size with x11 versus xv
21:36<vsrinivas>also, you can try gl (which uses opengl for output), it works well for some people
21:37<jclinton>is there a way to examine a .deb file waiting in the new queue?
21:37<tcsetattr>besides resizing, -vo x11 also has to do an extra YUV->RGB conversion which isn't necessary with -vo xv because with Xvideo extension you can send YUV to the card directly
21:37<vsrinivas>do you use compiz?
21:38<tcsetattr>with a 1280x720 video you don't need to enlarge it to get it at a reasonable size for viewing :)
21:38<suupaabaka>I don't use compiz myself, no
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21:39<vsrinivas>ok; dave reveman has a developed a trick by which compiz can present an xv-like interface, it works very nicely for me
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21:39<suupaabaka>X11 doesn't allow fullscreen...
21:39<vsrinivas>it does
21:40<suupaabaka>well, not properly :P
21:40<tcsetattr>with -zoom
21:42<suupaabaka>gl2 makes my h264 video uber jerky :'(
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21:43<vsrinivas>how about just gl?
21:43<suupaabaka>gl works fine, but I get an ASS error when I open it
21:43<ameyer>ASS error?
21:43<vsrinivas>(gl2 uses multitexturing, works better for a few people, but not as well as gl for most)
21:44<ameyer>what does GL have to do with donkeys?
21:44<suupaabaka>yeah, I think ASS is for subtitles
21:44<suupaabaka>the error is : "ASS: cannot add video filter"
21:44<manphiz>seems ASS is unsupported currently
21:46<suupaabaka>i can't win :P
21:46<suupaabaka>hmm... ass works
21:46<suupaabaka>though the subtitles flicker
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21:48<suupaabaka>gotta head off for a bit, thanks for all your help, guys!
21:48<suupaabaka>much appreciated.
21:48<tcsetattr>it's just hard to care about bugs in the year-old mplayer snapshot that debian happened to freeze on
21:49<suupaabaka>oh, it's a year old?
21:49<suupaabaka>i used apt-get to install mplayer
21:49<suupaabaka>i would have thought it got the latest from debian-multimedia
21:50<tcsetattr>oh I haven't looked at that one, maybe it is newer
21:51<niwt>MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2
21:51<tcsetattr>heh. rUNKNOWN. big help
21:51<suupaabaka>ah well
21:51<suupaabaka>i gotta run
21:51<suupaabaka>thanks for the help!
21:51<tcsetattr>I'll just rephrase
21:52<niwt>does this help? (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
21:52[~]suupaabaka pauses
21:52<tcsetattr>it's hard to care about bugs in the debian-hacked mplayer when the real mplayer from svn moves so fast.
21:52<suupaabaka>yeah :(
21:52<suupaabaka>oh well, i guess it's another 10 year wait for the next update to Debian :D
21:53[~]suupaabaka waves out.
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21:54<ameyer>not ten years, only nine and a half :|
21:54<ameyer>seriously, lenny should be out by the end of 2009
21:55<ameyer>it'll still beat Vista+1 by about 16 years
21:55<weasel>I hope it won't release too soon. I still haven't upgraded all my hosts to etch yet
21:56<niwt>if it comes soon, you can skip etch
21:56<weasel>not really.
21:56<weasel>upgrades skipping releases aren't tested or supported
21:56<ameyer>well, it won't be out until at least October 2008
21:56<weasel>that's only a year from now. that's no time at all
21:56<niwt>oh right, I usually wipe and start fresh
21:57<ameyer>and if history repeats, it might be another year or two after that
21:57<ameyer>Sarge support's going to be discontinued in April anyway...
21:57<ameyer>well, in or around April
21:58<niwt>I accidentally upgraded my neice's computer from sarge to etch, and I wasn't happy with the result
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22:04<niwt>tcsetattr: how involved is installing mplayer from source? as bad as transcode?
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22:08<tcsetattr>I don't remember how hard it was to build transcode
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22:08<tcsetattr>the only hard part is finding out what libraries you have to install to support the features you want
22:09<niwt>assuming you want to compile in a lot of different stuff
22:09<tcsetattr>and using the build-dep of the Debian package as a starting point would probably take care of that
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22:09<niwt>ok, that sounds interesting. never tried it.
22:11<tcsetattr>actually I build mplayer regularly and I'm missing 21 packages from apt-get build-dep mplayer... which just proves there are lots of features I don't care about
22:11<vsrinivas>I've built mplayer from source last week, its not that abd
22:11<vsrinivas>people have some neat patches around for it, including pulseaudio support and support for xv with compiz
22:11<niwt>you recommend svn or rc1?
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22:12<tcsetattr>rc1?! there's an rc2 now and even THAT is old.
22:12<vsrinivas>er, whatever rc is recently posted, sorry
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22:12<niwt>I'm at
22:13<tcsetattr>apt-get build-dep ... svn checkout ... configure && make, should go smooth
22:15<niwt>ok, rc1 is from oct '06
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22:15<tcsetattr>oh I see... the "rc2" header is added to the ChangeLog in svn long before the rc2 release actually happens.
22:16<tcsetattr>craziness :)
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22:19<niwt>what svn package do I need to install?
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22:19<tcsetattr>"subversion" is the package name with svn
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22:26<niwt>ok, compiling now - so far, this is easy
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22:30<niwt>cool - it works
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23:20<jclinton>is "package-name-1.2.3.orig.tar.gz" supposed to be an exact copy of upstream?
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23:24<tcsetattr>orig.tar.gz is usually an exact copy. sometimes they are re-arranged though.
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23:26<jclinton>ok, thanks, tcsetattr
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