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00:29<dpkg>codecs is, like, See w32codecs, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see
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00:32<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
00:32<junio>CharlieKane: try
00:33<CharlieKane>link doesnt work
00:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
00:34<CharlieKane>ok it has come up now
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00:45<markus_>Hi. I'm desperately trying to mount a vfat partition with a specific uid/gid instead of root/root, but no matter what I try, it doesn't work. E.g. using "mount ... -o uid=1000,gid=1000" doesn't change a thing, the partition still gets mounted as root/root. 1000/1000 do exist on the systme. Any ideas?
00:47<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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00:49<markus_>It doesn't work .. my line looks like this: "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0"
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00:58<GhostlyDeath>How do I get my user #?
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00:59<junio>GhostlyDeath: ?
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01:00<junio>Can you change to root?
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01:01<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: id
01:02<GhostlyDeath>ah thanks
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01:17<junio>how I can genarate a list of instaled packages?
01:18<blarson>junio: dpkg --get-selections
01:19<junio>yep! blarson tks
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01:31<maatttt>hi all.
01:32<maatttt>I can see in dmesg, that my etch finds a parport, but what device file will that be ?
01:32<maatttt>I have no /dev/lp0 or /dev/parport
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01:39<peterS>maatttt: should be /dev/parport0, then when you load the parallel printer module ('lp'), that produces /dev/lp0. if /dev/parport0 doesn't show up, I don't know why
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01:57<tcsetattr>modprobe ppdev to get the driver for /dev/parport*
01:58<tcsetattr>lp0 is the one you want for printing though
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02:03<peterS>ahh, I didn't know ppdev had been split off from the parport module. guess I'm a little behind the times.
02:05<ameyer>parallel port? indeed
02:05<ameyer>at least it's not serial port ;)
02:06<peterS>he's following me around
02:06<peterS>someone stop him
02:06<simonrvn>who is? ;p
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02:06<peterS>ameyer. he was just in the Other #D.
02:06<simonrvn>i thought you were going to sleep? ;)
02:06<ameyer>peterS: sorry about that...
02:06<peterS>ssshh, they weren't supposed to hear that in this channel
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02:15[~]fxiny wow signal power array detector ALWAYS listen to ...
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03:22<peej>cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state works, but I have no idea how icewm is to display battery status on sarge. I've installed acpi.
03:23<peej>suggestions on what to tweak in icewm?
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03:25<peej>ooh. just typing acpi gets me a battery status. Mebbe I'll just make it run from the menu as a workaround.
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03:33<maatttt>etch find my parport according to dmesg, but no \dev\parport0 exists, any ideas ?
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03:35<tcsetattr>why are you looking for /dev/parport0 ? (and why can't you figure out which direction the slash goes?)
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03:35<tcsetattr>oh wait... maatttt ( has joined ... must be the Australian slash. it goes down the sink counter-clockwise :)
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03:37<maatttt>ok, sorry about the slash, I've been on a wintel box all day.
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03:37<hachi>has anyone tried the policy-rc.d stuff?
03:37<maatttt>which device is the parport ?
03:38<dondelelcaro>hachi: lots of us have used it, but that's probably not the question you really have
03:38<hachi>I'm just curious what resources you've found to play with it... so far I've found and the manpage for invoke-rc.d
03:38<maatttt>I don;t have lp0 either.
03:38<hachi>I think I'm missing something
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03:39<hachi>I'm sorta looking for an implementation, but since policy-rc.d is maintained by the alternatives system, I can't search for it with a file search
03:39<dondelelcaro>hachi: there isn't an implementation that is distributed with Debian normally
03:40<dondelelcaro>(though there are a few stub packages that install a policy-rc.d to disable init.d scripts during cdebootstrap, FE)
03:40<hachi>okay... well, here I am causing an X-Y problem, hold on
03:41<hachi>I'm looking to see if theres a standard way to prevent dpkg install/upgrade steps from restarting local services... like mysql and apache and the like. I don't care about the dangers of preventing this sort of thing
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03:41<dondelelcaro>hachi: the standard way is to use policy-rc.d
03:42<hachi>okay... where can I find these stub implementations?
03:42<dondelelcaro>hachi: they're just shell scripts that always exit 101.
03:43<dondelelcaro>all of two lines
03:43<hachi>the spec says the policy-rc.d is to be maintained by the alternatives system, that means a package must exist does it not?
03:44<hachi>oh... they're done outside the debian system
03:44<dondelelcaro>that only applies to packages providing policy-rc.d
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03:44<hachi>ahh, okay
03:44<dondelelcaro>since you're an administrator, you wouldn't be providing policy-rc.d
03:44<dondelelcaro>afaik, there's no packages which provide a policy-rc.d
03:44<[C]it85756721>how do i decode dis \x73\x65\x72\x76\x65\x72
03:45<ricky>[C]it85756721: server
03:45<ricky>python >>> print '\x73\x65\x72\x76\x65\x72' gives server.
03:45<[C]it85756721>oh thanks its more than that
03:45<dondelelcaro>or perl -e 'print "\x73\x65\x72\x76\x65\x72",qq(\n)' or similar.
03:45<hachi>is there any standard way to tell if I'm being invoked as part of a dpkg install/upgrade run?
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03:46<dondelelcaro>hachi: that's the only thing that should be calling invoke-rc.d
03:46<dondelelcaro>(anything else that does gets what it deserves)
03:46<hachi>shouldn't I be invoking my service restarts via that same command?
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03:46<maatttt>can I make an lp0 device ?
03:47<dondelelcaro>maatttt: if you're using udev and actually have an enabled parport, udev should have created it for you
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03:47<hachi>dondelelcaro: thanks for the input
03:48<gsimmons>maatttt: Have you loaded the lp module?
03:48<tcsetattr>-l is good for perl one-liners like that. appends "\n" after every print.
03:48<maatttt>I do have an enabled parport. in proc/ioport 03bc-03be : parport0, in demesg parport0: PC-style at 0x3bc (0x7bc)
03:49<maatttt>I don;t know whatudev is, but this is a standard etch.
03:49<tcsetattr>you have the low-level parport modules loaded, but not the higher-level module that provides the device. modprobe lp
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03:50<maatttt>thank you, nowI have lp0.
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03:50<bcochofel>Hi, what's the best way to keep iptables start on boot under etch?
03:53<maatttt>why is it known as lp0 ? (just curious)
03:53<dondelelcaro>line printer 0
03:53<peej>bcochofel : add to if-post-up.d ?
03:54<dondelelcaro>histerical raisons.
03:54<tcsetattr> (I've read this one, it's interesting)
03:54<peej>bcochofel : um. I thought there'd be an /etc/networking/if-post-up.d - there isn't. Though there are all sorts of others.
03:55<peej>bcochofel : try if-up.d then.
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03:55<gsimmons>bcochofel: Depending on your requirements, you can place a file (containing your iptables commands) within the /etc/network/if-up.d/, /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ (if using pppd) or refer to the file using the 'up' command option within your /etc/network/interfaces file.
03:56<hachi>peej: the post-up state you refer to is also just called 'up', so perhaps you should just use the if-up.d dir, if it exists
03:56<hachi>oh, sorry... yeah
03:56<hachi>you were saying that and I totally missed that fact
03:57<bcochofel>mmm, something like this:
03:57<bcochofel>Was trying to find something in google
03:57<bcochofel>ok, thx al
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04:31<hachi>has been flaking for the last few days, or is my link just not able to route there for some reason?
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04:32<hachi>oh, I'm getting routed to I should probably fix that
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04:38<seanius>hachi: wrt disabling services, why would you want to blanket disable all restarts, and not just specific services?
04:38<hachi>oh, I'm looking to have fine grained control like that... I didn't mean to say otherwise
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04:39<seanius>hachi, if you're using the standard default init system, just moving /etc/rc2.d/SNNservice to /etc/rc2.d/KNNservice will do the trick for an individual service
04:39<hachi>uh, no
04:39<hachi>I don't mean block it from system startup
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04:40<hachi>I just don't want a dpkg process to restart things
04:40<hachi>that's what I said
04:40<seanius>it should also prevent dpkg from doing it
04:40<seanius>because dpkg uses invoke-rc.d, which will pay attention to that
04:40<hachi>but I want it to start on system start
04:40<hachi>your solution would break that
04:40<hachi>I just don't want a dist-upgrade process to do things like shut down mysql during the unpack stage, and then finally get around to starting it back up whenever it configures the package
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04:41<hachi>I'd rather not have an automated restart happen... that way I can do a rolled restart of things
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04:41<hachi>upgrade all the code, then come back and do restarts manually when I can control the downtime better
04:41<seanius>hachi: you really don't want to leave something like mysql running during an upgrade
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04:42<seanius>all the binaries and libraries get overwritten with new versions, and "undefined" things can happen to your database
04:43<seanius>the mysqld process by itself will probably be okay
04:43<hachi>well, my alternative is the ever popular 'ooops, dpkg exploded during this upgrade... now mysql is offline and I'm screwed till I can fix the post-install script for package 'foo' so the system can get going again
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04:44<seanius>but the maintainer scripts in the mysql packages make an assumption that they've stopped the mysqld process and do stuff to the datadir
04:44<hachi>I'm relatively confident in the concept of a resident program not rereading its code from disk in this period while I iron things out
04:44<hachi>well, mysql may be a bad example like that
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04:44<hachi>and perhaps I shouldn't be returning an error of 101... however the scripts should be checking the return code of invoke-rc.d as well
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04:45<seanius>hachi: there are quite a few who would disagree with that
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04:46<hachi>with the assertion that they should be checking the return code of invoke-rc.d?
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04:46<seanius>because upgrading from x to y, it's possible that there's some configuration breakage, preventing a service from starting
04:46<seanius>and you don't want something like that from breaking your entire dist-upgrade
04:46<hachi>failure to stop isn't the same as 'not running'
04:47<hachi>being intellegent about your logic is something script maintainers are also expected to be
04:48<seanius>but basically what you want to do is considered unsafe to begin with, so i don't think you can blame package maintainers for not checking for htat
04:48<hachi>I would agree
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04:48<hachi>I am willing to take responsability for my machines
04:48<hachi>it's not like I pay debian
04:48<seanius>i.e. package maintainers shouldn't have to check for the status "configured to start at boot, but never be stopped"
04:49<hachi>the tradeoff I'm willing to make is that I must take control for restarts, and risk this condition I'm using causing massive problems
04:49<seanius>but yes, if you "know what yer doin" you could probably use policy-rc.d for most of these cases
04:50<hachi>in return I get a safety of mind that a dist-upgrade run will not be shutting down mysql or other services on me... or at least there's a far reduced chance of that
04:50<seanius>hachi: usually i upgrade all the other non-essential stuff first, and leave anything important to be upgraded by itself
04:50<billy5>hello there! how can I install debian on an already running linux-system?
04:51<seanius>this usually lowers the total downtime for services and makes it much more clear if there is indeed a problem
04:51<hachi>I haven't found any way to do that operation other than calling massive lists of 'aptitude install' and slowly weeding out packages and deps
04:51<james_w>billy5: you can use debootstrap or cdebootstrap to build a system in a chroot.
04:51<hachi>also, there's no way to automate such a system that I can see
04:51<gsimmons>!tell billy5 -about debootstrap
04:51<seanius>hachi: you can pin the package to not be upgraded by default
04:52<hachi>then I never know when I should upgrade them, without removing the pin
04:52<billy5>james_w, gsimmons: thx
04:52<seanius>hachi: sure you do, they stay in status "have been kept back"
04:53<seanius>billy5: there's also some guy who wrote this thing called debtakeover, though i've never tried this myself
04:53<hachi>debtakeover is like 5 years old, isn't it?
04:54<seanius>i don't htink it's *that* old, but yeah it's been around fora while
04:54<hachi>ooops, yeah... guess it's 3 or 3.5
04:56<hachi>mysql is probably the worst of my examples... there are some packages I trust to be perfectly safe to do atomic restarts at any moment
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04:58<seanius>i imagine postgres is similar
04:59<seanius>anything that has a dependency on out-of-resident-memory stuff
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05:00<hachi>the packages I maintain at work I trust :)
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05:02<seanius>well, like has been said, if you really want to do this it should be possible, but i would never ever do that myself
05:02<hachi>in fact, I trust them far enough that if they were to load a lib from disk in the middle of the upgrade... the only way their could be harm is if the dpkg 'overwrite' operation isn't atomic
05:03<hachi>which poses a question I should have asked long ago, and will now answer using strace
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05:03<hachi>just how atomic are file swapouts in debian upgrade processes :)
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05:03<seanius>it's less about libraries, which normally isn't an issue unless there's a symbol versioning change
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05:05<seanius>i believe that there are two steps to that process, the "unpacking" and then the "overwriting"
05:05<seanius>debian-policy or the developers reference should have the full details
05:05<seanius>but i believe the files are unpacked in a staging area, and then copied over
05:06<seanius>if the unpack fails no harm is done, but if the latter fails things may be in an inconsistant state
05:08[~]seanius must go for a bit
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05:10<isuckatlinux>anyone knows about gdesklets?
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05:11<james_w>isuckatlinux: what about it?
05:12<isuckatlinux>i installed it in kde, cant get the controls to be loaded correctly, i dont know what im missing
05:12<isuckatlinux>i tried several widgets the only one that worked was the clock
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05:13<james_w>isuckatlinux: I'm not sure then.
05:14<isuckatlinux>I saw the controllers are python scripts, im not familiar with python, could i be missing something on that end?
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05:14<EmleyMoor>Can anyone advise of a webcam currently on the market that works well with Linux? I am tempted to try my partner's and buy something similar (that he can have if the new one doesn't work) but if I can pick one that works straight off, so much the better
05:14<james_w>perhaps, if you run gdesklets in a terminal do you get any error messages?
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05:14<isuckatlinux>ricoh cameras work well with linux
05:15<isuckatlinux>let me try that
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05:15<EmleyMoor>isuckatlinux: But do they do webcams? I've never seen one
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05:15<isuckatlinux>they do, tiny ones for laptos
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05:16<EmleyMoor>I did have a nice one by Creative but it stopped working after about a week
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05:18<isuckatlinux>same s..t buddy, i can position the widget, but get an error in the script
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05:19<isuckatlinux>EmleyMoor: I would say go find linux drivers, look at the compatibility list and then buy one of those
05:19<isuckatlinux>keep the receipt
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05:19<EmleyMoor>isuckatlinux: I want to avoid the hassle that could entail
05:20<EmleyMoor>It seems to be too fast-moving a target to hit in that way
05:21<isuckatlinux>makes sense, but usuallyc thats the only way, I did that for my wireless nick and video card, I'd say the lists are more reliable than the info you can get here
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05:25<isuckatlinux>have anyone here tried vmware in debian?
05:25<isuckatlinux>I'd like to install windows as a file in debian'
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05:29<james_w>isuckatlinux: it works ok.
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05:31<isuckatlinux>good deal! thanks
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05:33<isuckatlinux>can anyone tell me about a good 3d desktop?
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05:36<ifvoid>isuckatlinux: compiz you mean?
05:37<isuckatlinux>i mean those that spin and look really cool, like a cube
05:37<ifvoid>yes, that's compiz
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05:38<isuckatlinux>u using it?
05:39<isuckatlinux>is that a different window manager or runs under kde
05:39<ifvoid>I've tried it
05:39<ifvoid>I think it runs with kde
05:40<isuckatlinux>any reasons u dont use it anymore?
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05:44<ifvoid>isuckatlinux: not really
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05:45<dpkg>methinks compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check
05:50<isuckatlinux>i will bro, im just gathering information
05:50<isuckatlinux>u read and sounds good u try and its not so beatiful
05:50<sven__>i need to include unstable stuff into debian for get compiz?...
05:51<isuckatlinux>well i would say try apt
05:51<sven__>apt wants unstable sources
05:51<isuckatlinux>then u know
05:51<isuckatlinux>u need to mix up stuff
05:52<isuckatlinux>i would rather compile it than doing that
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05:55<AbsintheSyringe>if there's a centrino duo 1 t2400 user here ... or any centrino duo 1 users please report, I wanna ask you something
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05:55<AbsintheSyringe>actually my question is what's your temperature
05:56<AbsintheSyringe>I dont like that at all
05:56<isuckatlinux>it sucks, need cooling
05:56<AbsintheSyringe>tried writing some scripts, chaning pooling state this and that, and nothing
05:56<AbsintheSyringe>isuckatlinux, is your fan on passive or active mode?
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05:57<isuckatlinux>its active, 4 of them
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05:57<isuckatlinux>but even my laptop core2 duo 2.00 ghz stays at 37
05:57<AbsintheSyringe>mine is set to passive, when I tried to echo 0 > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode to switch it to active
05:58<sven__>your laptop is in fact professional cooled :)
05:58<AbsintheSyringe>yea laptop is what I'm talking about
05:58<AbsintheSyringe>isuckatlinux, is your laptop mode on active or passive?
05:59<AbsintheSyringe>and what are you using cpufreq, cpudyn, powerenowd?
05:59<AbsintheSyringe>damn, something's wrong with my cooling then
05:59<EmleyMoor>Is the qc-usb-messenger module available in Debian?
05:59<AbsintheSyringe>it's not the sys itself
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06:00<sven__>AbsintheSyringe, better you replace cooling with a new set :)
06:00<EmleyMoor>AbsintheSyringe: Meaning it's done but in a 3rd party repo?
06:00<isuckatlinux>yup, not among official repos
06:00<AbsintheSyringe>EmleyMoor, excuse me I didnt get that one. whats done?
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06:01<isuckatlinux>look i even have one of those ultra hot amd cpus, and it doesnt reach 65 c
06:01<AbsintheSyringe>so any suggestions except replacing/cleaning fan?
06:01<isuckatlinux>you have a grill dude
06:02<AbsintheSyringe>I know, no need for heating system at my place
06:02<isuckatlinux>get a better fan for the cpu
06:02<isuckatlinux>copper stuff if u can afford it
06:03<AbsintheSyringe>k tnx
06:03<isuckatlinux>it took the temp of my amd s20c below aluminum temp
06:04<isuckatlinux>so, going back to compiz
06:05<isuckatlinux>have anyone tried it with an nvidia 7400?
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06:05<isuckatlinux>dpkg wake up we need some input here
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06:10<isuckatlinux>come on people, i need to show my retarded friends that use Vista how much cooler linux is
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06:10<isuckatlinux>i need 3d for that matter
06:10<Nemoder>!nvidia one-liner
06:10<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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06:11<isuckatlinux>using etch here
06:12<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: The 'quickcam_messenger' (usbvideo) module is included within Debian stock kernels.
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06:14<isuckatlinux>thats a lot of shit to install
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06:18<isuckatlinux>now i wonder if the debian installer did some of that work for me, shouldn't it have installed the nvidia modules of whatever those are
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06:19<isuckatlinux>dpgk only shows this one.......... xserver-xorg-video-nv
06:20<miksuh>isuckatlinux: ?? It can't be too hard to install 3 packages
06:20<miksuh>and nvidia drivers are not free, so no Debian installer wont install those
06:21<Nemoder>you need non-free in your sources.list for nvidia-glx
06:21<isuckatlinux>lol... yeah, very funny
06:21<Nemoder>'nv' is the open source 2d driver
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06:22<isuckatlinux>they r not free? where do i pay for those
06:22<isuckatlinux>i need to keep my shit legal
06:22<Nemoder>non-free is legal, it just isn't open source, you're free to use it but not alter it
06:23<miksuh>yeah yopu need to activate non-free and contrib repositories (nvidia-settings is in contrib)
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06:23<isuckatlinux>i got those so, this glx stuff is the 3d stuff for nvidia?
06:24<Nemoder>it's the closed source driver that nvidia wrote
06:24<Nemoder>and it includes 2d and 3d capabilities
06:24<isuckatlinux>got it, and what about the settings package
06:25<Nemoder>I think it's just a utility to show the settings, not required but handy
06:25<miksuh>it's free but it depends on non-free drivers, that's why it is in contrib
06:25<isuckatlinux>sounds good, and what this part does......... sed 's,.*-,,g'`
06:26<Nemoder>a simple script to match the kernel part of the driver with the kernel you are running
06:26<isuckatlinux>man, i wish can find people like u everytime i have questions, i woulnt have to spend my life trying to understand linux
06:26<isuckatlinux>thanks a lot man
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06:27<isuckatlinux>one more question, does it run under kde or its a different windows manager
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06:28<Nemoder>it's just the video driver required by 3d apps like compiz
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06:28<Nemoder>well maybe not required but it would be very slow to run it with a software renderer
06:30<isuckatlinux>so, once i install all that i can procedd to add compiz
06:30<miksuh>Nemoder: it's nvidia driver written by nvidia, similar to opensource nv
06:30<isuckatlinux>and just get a ascii irc in case i dont have a desktop anymore
06:31<miksuh>nothing to do with compiz
06:31<Nemoder>but it would be slow to run compiz with nv and mesagl
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06:32<isuckatlinux>do i need to restart then after that or the new driver will take over my shit
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06:32<Nemoder>shouldn't need to reboot but you'ld have to restart X
06:33<isuckatlinux>and do that dpkg-reconfigure
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06:33<Nemoder>yes reconfigure it first to use nvidia instead of nv
06:34<isuckatlinux>manually in the xorg file?
06:34<Nemoder>dpkg-reconfigure edits the xorg.conf for you
06:35<isuckatlinux>sounds good
06:35<miksuh># dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:38<isuckatlinux>thanks for the help guys
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06:38<isuckatlinux>I'm pretty sure I'll find the way to screw up my system
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06:42<Devendra>Hello people
06:42<Devendra>can any one help me out...
06:42<Devendra>heres the deal:
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06:43<Devendra>since ive upgradet my distro to lenny i have serios problems installing nvidia drivers, according to manny forums people managed to install ive read all the stuff but still it dint worked.
06:44<Devendra>After that Ive re installed under lenny (CLEAN), and still the same problem there is.
06:44<Devendra>The error when compiling the nvidia kernel (non-free) is: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'
06:44<Devendra>i tried to google that aswell but only ended up on dead ends
06:45<Nemoder>I believe that is a bug with a particular kernel
06:45<isuckatlinux>how do i check my nvidia bus identifier
06:45<Nemoder>yeah, try a .20 or .22
06:45<Devendra>apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.22 ryte?
06:46<Nemoder>not sure if that's available in lenny, might have to pull one from unstable
06:47<isuckatlinux>its asking for the amount of memory to be used in the video card
06:47<Devendra>hmmm not available with lenny repos... ill use :)
06:48<isuckatlinux>do i enable the kernel framebuffer?
06:50<Nemoder>shouldn't need it, but won't hurt
06:50<Devendra>E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.22
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06:50<Devendra>wait wrong command ive used
06:51<Nemoder>Devendra: it's linux-image I think
06:52<Devendra>It cannot find its package with: debian:~# apt-get install -t unstable linux-image-2.6.2 or debian:~# apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22
06:52<Devendra>ive edited and upated my repos*
06:52<ashrack>hello. I was wondering if someone has succeded in debianizing the latest beta of Tcl/Tk 8.5a6 (Apr 26, 2007). Which U can get here: . I have no idea how to go about this since there is a UNIX directory a WIN and a MACOSX directory and thus 'dh_make' is clueless. This is the output of 'dh_make': "Currently there is no top level Makefile. This may require...
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06:52<ashrack>...additional tuning.
06:52<ashrack>Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also
06:52<ashrack>check that the tcl8.5a6 Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / ."
06:52<ashrack>So what can I do?
06:55<Devendra>158 updates... hopefully not an distupgrade lol
06:56<Nemoder>Devendra: I gave up using debian's packages for the driver, I pull kernel source from and just run the installer
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06:56<Nemoder>then re-run the installer whenever xorg updates
06:56<isuckatlinux>like i said, i screwed up
06:56<Devendra>Nemoder, I tried that too but it said "Cannot install nvidia drivers" because it cannot compile its kernal image or some thing
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06:57<Devendra>i still have an old 4000 mx :P
06:57<seanius>i'm quite happy with the nvidia drivers in unstable
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06:57<Devendra>yea i am thinking of upgradign to sid to avoid the kernel bugs within lenny
06:58<seanius>you can still be mostly lenny and just bring in the kernel etc from sid
06:58<Devendra>Time to time i have problems most of them soulved my own with google by pasting the error code or question lol, But now its one big paine in the chair
06:58<Nemoder>does the 4000mx use the legacy driver?
06:59<Nemoder>ah, haven't played with that
06:59<Devendra>still collecting monney to buy a new system lmao
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06:59<Devendra>but doesnt come quick when u had a carr accident >.<
06:59<Nemoder>yeah, I wanted to upgrade but decided to just get a new agp card instead
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07:00<isuckatlinux>ok gentleman, i got the new nvidia bs and compiz is installed, how do i run it now
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07:01<Devendra>Nemoder, i need an entire new system thats my problem lol :P
07:01<Nemoder>compiz --replace
07:01<Devendra>i only need 407 euro left
07:01<Devendra>but my last 600 bucks are getting ripped off me aggain lol
07:01<Nemoder>not easy to save :)
07:02<Devendra>health inshurance = Paine in the ass
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07:02<isuckatlinux>i run compiz alone and got Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
07:02<Devendra>ill distupgrade to unstable :)
07:02<Devendra>then problem is soulved
07:02<Devendra>including my sound problems i think
07:02<Devendra>Audigy 2 doesnt work @ lenny >.<
07:03<Devendra>why running compiz if your new at Linux....
07:03<Devendra>that causes only troubles :)
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07:04<Nemoder>doing anything that needs proprietary drivers causes troubles
07:04<isuckatlinux>well, im new to desktop linux
07:04<Devendra>Ah alright :)
07:04<isuckatlinux>well... i dont think compiz will give me more headaches that the stupid Vista
07:05<Devendra>i run a server with debian it runs perfect
07:05<isuckatlinux>that is a piece of shit
07:05<isuckatlinux>yup, it's awesome, mine is being up for 2 years
07:05<Devendra>isuckatlinux, i think you would like beryl twice more then compiz ;)
07:05<isuckatlinux>i wonder if any windows can say that
07:06<Devendra>ever heard of windows blinds... (Some tool that makes look ur windows XP future like) with transparent windows exploding windows and such
07:06<Devendra>beryl has the same thing only its nicer lighter and runs better and easyer to install
07:06<isuckatlinux>so beryl is another 3d manager?
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07:07<Devendra>google for beryl you will love it
07:07<Devendra>its easy to install
07:07<Devendra>with debian version you run? etch, lenny, sid?
07:07<Nemoder>beryl is a fork of compiz
07:07<Nemoder>supposedly they are remerging soon
07:07<isuckatlinux>why didnt u say that 1 hr later before i killed this guys with questions lol
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07:07<Devendra>use that guide :)
07:07<Devendra>its easy
07:08<Devendra>but look very carefull at the xorg.conf part
07:08<Devendra>some thing is mis typed
07:08<Devendra>at the location where it should be
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07:08<isuckatlinux>looks great
07:08<Devendra>and you can better type it over instead of copy and pasting ull get xserver errors
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07:09<Devendra>youtube for it there some nice vids aswell :)
07:10<ashrack>so nobody know if TCL 8.5a6 was debianized or how should I do it?
07:10<isuckatlinux>this linux stuff is addictive
07:11<isuckatlinux>u start learning and thinking outside the bone and u can spend hours
07:11<isuckatlinux>my wife doesnt like linux....
07:11<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. or
07:11<abrotman>they already remerged .. compiz is in debian .. i blieve compiz-fusion is in sid
07:12<abrotman>!info compiz
07:12<Nemoder> did this just go down?
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07:12<@Ganneff>no. :)
07:12<@Ganneff>planned downtime.
07:12<Devendra>isuckatlinux, yes lol... linux is Free Software (Freedom)
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07:12[~]Nemoder missed the memo
07:13<abrotman>a bit ?
07:14<abrotman>!info compiz
07:14<dpkg>compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
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07:15<Nemoder>does apt-cache only store the info from the debian version you're using?
07:15<miksuh>isuckatlinux: Compiz in Etch is old compiz, not compiz-fusion
07:16<miksuh>You might want to try beryl in etch
07:16<Devendra>upgrading to Sid :)
07:16<Nemoder>would be really handy to have a cache of pdo to search locally
07:17<Nemoder>tho I spose that'd take a lot more bandwidth to keep it updated
07:17<isuckatlinux>yup im trying that beryl
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07:17<isuckatlinux>but the repo in the webpage doesnt work
07:17<abrotman>miksuh: i said in sid
07:19<miksuh>that's my desktop when i use beryl :)
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07:20<isuckatlinux>yup, i need some shit like that
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07:24<isuckatlinux>so, how do i go from this desktop to beryl and viceversa
07:25<Devendra>isuckatlinux, hold on
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07:26<Nemoder>if it's all installed I think you just run beryl-manager
07:26<isuckatlinux>lets see
07:27<Devendra>isuckatlinux, hold on ill give you the proper repositories for beryl
07:27<isuckatlinux>i grabbed the ones from there
07:27<miksuh>deb etch main
07:27<miksuh>deb-src etch main
07:27<isuckatlinux>got error
07:27<Devendra>just copied them
07:27<Devendra>going to reboot to sid
07:27<isuckatlinux>probably need to add all that to xorg.conf, i was trying to be lucky
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07:28<Nemoder>isuckatlinux: yeah and make sure it' using nvidia and not nv
07:28<miksuh>isuckatlinux: add those lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
07:29<isuckatlinux>yeah, its already nvidia
07:29<isuckatlinux>i got the little diammond
07:29<isuckatlinux>but also some errors
07:29<isuckatlinux>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
07:30<isuckatlinux>whats that
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07:31<isuckatlinux>lot to learn here, i quit the diammond but didnt go back to my six desktops, i got only 4
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07:34<Devendra>Fancy ^^
07:34<isuckatlinux>whats fancy
07:34<Devendra>nvidia drivers installed
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07:35<Devendra>isuckatlinux, kernel 2.6.21-2 is bugged for nvidia drivers... upgradet to sid
07:35<Devendra>problem soulved
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07:36<Devendra>isuckatlinux, once lenny releases upgrade to SID instead of lenny
07:36<Devendra>will avoid tons of problems
07:36<isuckatlinux>i though sid was the older debian
07:36<Devendra>your talking about sarge
07:36<Devendra>thats an older one
07:36<Devendra>sid is unstable
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07:37<Myon>don't use sid unless you know what you are doing
07:37<Devendra>Myon, what are the risks?
07:37<Devendra>actualy quite stupid of me >.<
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07:37<Myon>random breakages, and people will frown at you if you complain instead of fixing them yourself
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07:38<isuckatlinux>dont worry i wont use sid
07:38<Devendra>Myon, once sid is in testing.... people wont frown at you ;)
07:39<esaym>what the heck is "link level" and "network level"? Is that layer 1 and 3 of the osi model??
07:39<JasonS>Devendra: sid is never in testing, sid is always sid
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07:39<Devendra>JasonS, it will become testing rite?
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07:40<ifvoid>Devendra: no
07:40<Myon>dpkg: tell Devendra about releases
07:40<Devendra>yet again my stupidity of not informing about an later distro >.<
07:41<isuckatlinux>ok, ill try to restart with that nvidia driver
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07:41<zegevrijtty>packages from sid/unstable are moved to testing/lenny after some time of uu testing.. if im correct
07:42<Devendra>alright ill start from scratch again >.<
07:42<Devendra>brb re install
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07:52<isuckatlinux_>now i know what u meant by write it dont copy it
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07:53<isuckatlinux_>ohhh fuck, i cant see my screen
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07:53<noflash> /ignore -replies isuckatlinux_
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07:55<disposable>my samba has a throughput of cca 800KBps - 1.5MBps on a 100Mbps network. it's definitely not a network problem, because NFS goes up to 11MBps. can somebody please look at my smb.conf at and tell me what i'm missing? it's a simple samba server where anybody has rwx rights.
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07:58<isuckatlinux>my screen got all messed up
07:58<disposable>type 'reset'
07:58<abrotman>or hit ctrl-l
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07:59<isuckatlinux>i wonder what could i missed
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07:59<JasonS>define messed up
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08:00<isuckatlinux>well... once i loaded beryl everything got tiny couldnt really read anything, i could see things moving around but not really find the quit within the menus
08:01<MrDoom>hi leute ist jemand aus deutschland da?
08:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
08:01<isuckatlinux>or speak english
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08:01<argonimion>MrDoom: ja
08:01<MrDoom>oh sorry wrong channel
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08:02<MrDoom>ach doch einer da
08:02<slam>MrDoom: english, pls
08:03<isuckatlinux>Nemoder any ideas?
08:05<Nemoder>everything is tiny? not sure I understand
08:06<jelari>[question] why kernel stack is used to store the next address to be executed after interrupt, instead of storing user stack?
08:06<jelari>could someone clarify?
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08:07<isuckatlinux>well, my screen, i could not see anything clearly
08:07<isuckatlinux>dots everywhere, it looked like it repeated
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08:08<james_w>jelari: that question might be better suited to kernel-newbies.
08:08<Myon>jelari: why should the kernel write to user space?
08:09<Nemoder>maybe you tried to use a higher resolution than your monitor supports?
08:10<Nemoder>isuckatlinux: you might try running that nvidia-settings app
08:10<jelari>Myon: but why ther kernel can't use process specific stack instead of kernel stack while executing system call onbehalf of a process?
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08:15<isuckatlinux>i did that, looks ok
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08:18<zegevrijtty>isuckatlinux: did your screen flicker a bit? when repeated and small? sounds like too high monitor hz
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08:20<isuckatlinux>no, guess some of the options are not compatible with my card, i dont really know
08:20<gsimmons>disposable: Try adding "socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192" within the [global] block.
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08:25<brew>During the boot sesquence is all that output that scrolls across the screen stored in a log file somewhere?
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08:26<gsimmons>brew: /var/log/dmesg
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08:26<brew>gsimmons: ty.
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08:27<junio>brew: /var/log/syslog can help you too
08:27<Devendra>nomadium, ur still there?
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08:28<disposable>gsimmons, thank you, will try when i get to that computer
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08:33<brew>junio: ty as well.
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08:40<xbc>hi, i'm looking for a program to make animated gifs. i'm using inkscape so far. any idea?
08:40<mav>is it possible to see the associations of packages with apt?
08:41<harpal>I have compiled kernel and then I have made initrd image using mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img- and now I am booting in to that kernel but I got acpi_low_level_read kernel panic attempted to kill init
08:41<brew>gsimmons: How do you go about helping people in this channel? Is it anything official or do you just sit in the channel and wait for a question you know the answer to?
08:41<argonimion>xbc: apt-cache schow
08:41<argonimion>sry ...
08:41<xbc>argonimion, :)
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08:41<argonimion>it was for mav^^
08:42<mav>show? or schow?
08:42<argonimion>without c
08:43<ao2>xbc, gimp-gap - The GIMP Animation Package
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08:43<xbc>ao2, oh thanks, i'll try this
08:44<xbc>ao2, do i have to install a seperate package?
08:45<isuckatlinux>can anyone help me out with beryl, what can be messing up my screen when i start it?
08:45<mav>the package nvidia-glx isnt 'available' but is refered to. will it be in testing or non-free ?
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08:45<xbc>ao2, thanks i found it :)
08:46<gsimmons>brew: The latter. But you're welcome to help if you're familiar with the solution to a problem raised here.
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09:04<monra>hello, anyobyd knows how can i see a file size in linux?
09:05<harpal>du than file na
09:05<junio>monra: ls -lh file
09:06<monra>i get then for example "4 file.txt" but i won't more accurate ... for example the bits size or bytes size
09:06<monra>junio, "-rw-r--r-- 1 monra monra 56 2007-09-02 17:05 demo.txt", its the 56, right?
09:06<harpal>use du -h filename
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09:07<monra>harpal, 4.0K demo.txt... still 4k
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09:07<junio>monra: yeap
09:07<monra>junio, as i see its the same with letters in wc....?
09:07<junio>in this case 56b
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09:08<monra>junio, so the memory that the program holds is 56 bits, i mean its cost to my disk space 56 bits?
09:08<seanius>du -sb filename
09:09<seanius>in reality it probably "costs" 4kb or so
09:09<monra>seanius, is that bytes or bits? i'm comlpicated now
09:09<seanius>nothing uses bits as measurement for disk usage
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09:10<monra>seanius, ok bytes?
09:10<junio> du -sbh filename to see size in k, m or g bytes
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09:14<monra>anyway ok now i get it. But I have another question. How do I create a binary file. I mean create a file with 0 and 1 and then it will have the size of how many numbers you have added
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09:17<monra>I have tried vi -b and then created a file with 0 and 1 but nothing seems working
09:17<seanius>monra: you would write a small shell/perl/python/c program to do it
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09:18<monra>seanius, doesn't it exist such a program already?
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09:19<seanius>i don't really understand exactly what you want to do. there are certainly binary/hex editors
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09:19<isuckatlinux>Devendra do you know what this means........ GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap failed
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09:20<Devendra>I am using Lenny, and at etch or Sid on kernel 2.6.22-686 it installed NVIDIA drivers (NON-Free) perfectly... on lenny it has some problems, Things Ive Checked: -headers installed, Drivers installed properly, latest updates.
09:21<Devendra>isuckatlinux, u tried to install your nvidia drivers or ATI?
09:21<seanius>Devendra: is it a 2.6.21 kernel?
09:21<Devendra>seanius, running 2.6.22
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09:21<isuckatlinux>im using nvidia drivers, but when i start beryl the screen looks really bad and thats the error i get from the terminal
09:22<Devendra>seanius, install goes perfect. But when restarting X it starts bitchin it says "No output device"
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09:22<Devendra>isuckatlinux, you restarted X yet?
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09:22<seanius>Devendra: reboot maybe?
09:22<Devendra>ill try
09:22<isuckatlinux>yep, my kde looks great, 'til i turn beryl on
09:22<seanius>could be kernel module can't load
09:22<TheOracle>i need some help
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09:22<Devendra>isuckatlinux, CTRL + ALT + Backspace
09:23<Devendra>and then try to launch beryl
09:23<isuckatlinux>whats that for
09:23<Devendra>isuckatlinux, that guide is gnome based
09:23<Devendra>errrr u need an kde guide for that
09:23<Devendra>hold on
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09:23<TheOracle>i have a problem with mysql server 5.0 install
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09:24<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've connected my parallel port scanner to my debian box... any app I should be using to get it to scan and save files?
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09:24<isuckatlinux>what problem usually sql 5 installs smoothly!
09:24<seanius>TheOracle: just ask your question
09:24<TheOracle>well, when i installed it at home i saw one usage with 128mb
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09:24<TheOracle>and when i installed it on diffrent Debian ->
09:24<Devendra>here is an sh script
09:24<isuckatlinux>yes sr?
09:24<Devendra>that does it all
09:25<TheOracle>this is at home =-> 125.1MB | /usr/sbin/mysqld | up: 1893:58
09:25<Devendra>i suck at KDE tbh because for me it has no value or structure
09:25<AbsintheSyringe>does anyone here know how to change cooling mode from passive to active, "echo 0 > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode
09:25<Devendra>brb full reboot
09:25<AbsintheSyringe>" should do it, but it doesnt
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09:25<TheOracle>seanius : any ideas ?
09:25<slam>TheOracle: what exactly is your problem?
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09:26<TheOracle>well it's multi threded mysql
09:26<slam>TheOracle: the difference in memory usage?
09:26<TheOracle>i want one proc of mysql
09:26<TheOracle>not 12 proc's
09:26<TheOracle>how can i change it
09:26<Cyorxamp> I've connected my parallel port scanner to my debian box... any app I should be using to get it to scan and save files?
09:26<slam>TheOracle: mysql is not oracle
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09:27<gsimmons>!tell Cyorxamp -about repeat
09:27<TheOracle>slam : ? i don't want to install oracle
09:27<seanius>TheOracle: take a look at different settings at my.cnf
09:27<TheOracle>seanius : both are the same
09:27<seanius>there's probably one you could use, though i don't see why
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09:27<slam>TheOracle: the default settings in my.cnf are sane, however
09:28<TheOracle>is there any option to remove multi threded ?
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09:28<slam>TheOracle: what's your problem with multi treading?
09:28<TheOracle>maybe the problem is with my TCL also
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09:28<monra>seanius, I have downloaded hexer and created a text with 0 and 1 but still the size is too big i have written 25 numbers for example and the size is 64 bytes although I was waiting it too be 25 bits
09:28<Devendra>Nvidia the bitch for today
09:28<TheOracle>slam : all i want is to see mysql with one process not 12
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09:29<TheOracle>it's using a lot of memory
09:29<slam>TheOracle: got that - but why?
09:29<TheOracle>--> it's using a lot of memory
09:29<seanius>TheOracle: it's probably not using nearly as much as you think it is
09:29<seanius>but anyway, look at the documentation for my.cnf
09:29<slam>TheOracle: who cares - linux memory usage different to other operating systems
09:29<seanius>there are a number of options for max memory usage, max threads etc
09:29<TheOracle>i'll try
09:29<monra>anyone having any ideas would be very useful
09:29<TheOracle>one more thing
09:29<Devendra>TheOracle, Linux reserves memory for faster loading of applications.... unless you use a real big database with your MySQL server
09:30<slam>TheOracle: don't take results of top as given
09:30<TheOracle>i use 300mb Mysql DB
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09:30<junio>monra: go to google and lerning about binary system :P
09:30<TheOracle>i use this -> ps auxww | awk '{printf "%.1f%1s %1s %1s\n",$5/1024,"MB","| "$11,"| up: "$10}' | grep '^[0-9]' | sort -n
09:30<Devendra>How big is your SQL traffic?
09:30<monra>junio, I'm there i found hexer
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09:30<seanius>monra: i think you are not fully understanding how this all works
09:31<Devendra>isuckatlinux aka fabian does it work?
09:31<TheOracle>Devendra i gues it could be 50mb even more
09:31<monra>yeah maybe. can't you explain to me?
09:31<Devendra>TheOracle, the bigger the trafic of you MySQL and the bigger your database the more memory it uses... Same here at my servers
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09:32<slam>TheOracle: try that one: free -m | grep -e \"-/+\" | awk '{print \"Memory Used: \"\$3 \" MB : Free: \" \$4 \" MB\"}'
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09:32<Devendra>one has a 23mb database and uses 3mb memory and some one else has a 70mb database and runs up to 380 mb of memory
09:32<seanius>monra: there are reasons the file could be bigger, if there is a trailing newline, spaces between the numbers, numbers in their character representation vs binary form
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09:32<TheOracle>-> ^ backslash not last character on line
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09:32<TheOracle>slam -> not working
09:32<seanius>and anyway, the operating system usually uses much more space anyway, so you shouldn't worry too much about exact byte usage
09:33<sheldonh>when creating etch backports of packages with pbuilder, should i be keeping my etch chroot up to date with security updates?
09:33<seanius>i.e. a file with even 1 byte will probably use 4k on disk or more
09:33<TheOracle>i only want one thing to reduse my mysql proc's to 1 insted of 12
09:33<seanius>TheOracle: i've already told you where to look. please spend some time reading before continuing to ask the same question
09:34<TheOracle>i'll try
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09:34<Devendra>seanius, <= is the guide i used to install my nvidia drivers, On etch and sid it works perfect but why is nvidia bitching on lenny to me? i am running kernel 2.6.22-686
09:35<slam>Devendra: nvidia runs fine on lenny
09:36<slam>Host/Kernel/OS "hp-ws02-32" running Linux 2.6.23-rc5-slh-smp-1 i686 [ sidux 2007-03.1 - Γαια - kde-full - (200708151444) ]
09:36<slam>CPU Info AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 512 KB cache flags( sse sse2 nx lm pni ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ]
09:36<slam>Videocard nVidia NV43 [GeForce 6600] X.Org 1.3.0 [ 1280x1024 @50hz ]
09:36<slam>Network cards Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+, at port: df00
09:36<slam>Processes 115 | Uptime 5:25 | Memory 218.9/1010.5MB | HDD EPSON Stylus Storage,ATA ST3200822AS,Generic USB SD Reader,Generic USB CF Reader,Generic USB SM Reader,Generic USB MS Reader Size 200GB (27%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6600/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! | GLX Version 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.11 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.67
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09:36<seanius>dpkg: tell slam about paste
09:36<Devendra>slam, i know that it works perfect. But still its odd that it doesnt work with me even if i managed to install it on sid
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09:37<Devendra>but i run lenny now and its cranking me up
09:37<seanius>Devendra: i'm not sure. though id idn't know 2.6.22 was actually in lenny
09:37<Devendra>seanius, ive upgradet my kernel :P
09:37<seanius>kernel driver loaded?
09:37<Devendra>cause 21 has bugs
09:37<slam>Devendra: what's your kernel now?
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09:38<Devendra>slam, last install on SID was 2.6.22-686 too
09:39<Devendra>and there it worked with no problems at all
09:39<slam>Devendra: if you are on lenny, try that wget -NqO /usr/local/bin/smxi
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09:40<slam>Devendra: it includes sgfxi, a nice little helper script for fglrx/nvidia on new kernels
09:40<Devendra>Ive done that
09:40<Devendra>what should i do now
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09:41<slam>Devendra: chmod +x /usr/local/bin/smxi
09:41<slam>Devendra: then start it
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09:42<slam>Devendra: it is a nice self service script from a friend of mine
09:42<isuckatlinux>does anyone know how to make beryl work with kde?
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09:43<Devendra>slam, i don't run sidux
09:43<slam>isuckatlinux: that's based on lenny, but does do fine on etch
09:43<Devendra>i think i know the mistake
09:44<isuckatlinux>i cant find packed beryl-dbus
09:44<slam>Devendra: sidux is a fine way to run lenny - but you don't need to
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09:45<slam>Devendra: the nvidia installer is a quite stupid script - it needs some pushes and assistance from release to relase
09:46<Devendra>Package nvidia-glx is not installed, so not removed
09:46<Devendra>Package nvidia-glx-dev is not installed, so not removed
09:46<Devendra>that was my freaking problem
09:46<slam>Devendra: hehe
09:46<Devendra>owned by my self again
09:46<Devendra>2nd time in a row
09:47<Devendra>slam, the smaller the mistake the harder to think
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09:50<isuckatlinux>i will switch to gnome i cant get beryl to start ok in kde
09:50<EmleyMoor>Is there any documentation on how to set up the initrd for various situations so that the standard kernel will work?
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09:50<Devendra>ok i was not mistaken the install...
09:50<Devendra>found out a seccond ago
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09:53<Devendra>slam, any idea what "(EE) no devices selected" means
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09:55<isuckatlinux>if im using kde and install gnome, how do i switch from kde to gnome?
09:56<EmleyMoor>Is there an alternative means to achieve the same as a search on
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09:57<Devendra>isuckatlinux, it gets messy when u completely remove kde with libs etc
09:57<slam>isuckatlinux: kdm or gdm will provide you with a choice
09:58<slam>EmleyMoor: apt-cache search
09:58<gsimmons>!tell EmleyMoor -about search
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09:58<joseph>hello, I am learning about this chat now
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09:59<isuckatlinux>i didnt remove anything
10:00<isuckatlinux>they r both there
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10:00<slam>isuckatlinux: so, do ctrl+alt+backspace, and kdm will greet you. there you select a gnome session
10:01<isuckatlinux>that doesnt do anything
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10:02<TheOracle>hi again
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10:02<TheOracle>i know where is the problem
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10:02<TheOracle>i just don't know how to fix it
10:02<isuckatlinux>sounds familiar
10:02<TheOracle>there is a definition for tcl threads
10:03<TheOracle>my debian is -> 2.4.20-021stab028.19.777-enterprise
10:03<TheOracle>i just don't know how to disable it
10:03<fxiny>enter what ?
10:03<TheOracle>i use regular apt-get install tcl8.4
10:04<TheOracle>and it's enabling auto threads
10:04<slam>TheOracle: your kernel is slightly aged ...
10:04<TheOracle>i know
10:05<joseph>bye very interesting thinks I go to buy a book to lear more about Linux system -- see you later aligators
10:05<TheOracle>i can't update it also for some reason with apt-get
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10:06<TheOracle>any ideas ?
10:06<slam>TheOracle: you're obviously stuck in a bunch of problems only you really oversee
10:06<TheOracle>my main issue is this tcl threads
10:06<slam>TheOracle: get a new kernel, upgrade your system
10:06<TheOracle>i need to disable it
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10:06<slam>TheOracle: after that have a look at mysql again
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10:07<TheOracle>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
10:07<slam>TheOracle: i really hope you don't run this system with a connection to the net
10:07<TheOracle>i do
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10:08<fxiny>hard to find exploit for that one _is so old
10:08<slam>fxiny: yeah - thanks ;-)
10:08<isuckatlinux>brothers how the h... do i switch from kde to gnome?
10:08<fxiny>slam: :)
10:08<TheOracle>trying to update
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10:08<slam>isuckatlinux: choose different session in kdm / gdm
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10:09<TheOracle>there aren't any upgrades
10:09<TheOracle>what to do, please help
10:09<gsimmons>TheOracle: What version of Debian do you currently have installed? ("cat /etc/debian_version")
10:09<slam>gsimmons: looks like woody
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10:09<isuckatlinux>ook, how do i choose it
10:10<slam>isuckatlinux: log out - select -log in again
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10:10<TheOracle>this is what i have in /etc/apt/source.list ->
10:10<TheOracle>do i need to change something there
10:10<slam>TheOracle: your kernel is definitely not 4.0
10:11<TheOracle>slam : help me please to update the system
10:11<TheOracle>is this ok ->, or i need to add something to this
10:11<fxiny>TheOracle: enterprise sounds very dirty to me .grab an official iso . stick to official sources . i'd reinstall that box
10:12<TheOracle>it's what my hosting company gave me
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10:12<slam>TheOracle: that's a vserver - right?
10:12<TheOracle>if i'll ask to reinstall they will be doing the same version all over
10:12<TheOracle>that is a dedictaed server
10:13<slam>TheOracle: well, in that case ask for a modern kernel
10:13<fxiny>TheOracle: is that your own box or what ?
10:13<TheOracle>any chance i could do my own update
10:13<TheOracle>fxiny : yes it is
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10:14<TheOracle>slam : ?
10:14<TheOracle>can i do my own install remotly ?
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10:20<oem>+üöö+ü +öö+
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10:25<AbsintheSyringe>is there any way I can get my kernel source? I wanna do some modifications on it
10:26<seanius>AbsintheSyringe: you have your kernel config in /boot/config-`uname -r`
10:26<seanius>and you can get your kernel source/headers through apt/aptitude/synaptic
10:26<AbsintheSyringe>I got headers
10:26<AbsintheSyringe>but source ...
10:27<AbsintheSyringe>let me try looking again
10:27<seanius>dpkg: tell AbsintheSyringe about kernel package
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10:39<emmetea>tyr looking for kernel source rather then kernel headers and i also had to install kernel source tree for the nvidia drivers to work
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10:44<AbsintheSyringe>seanius, this is what I basically wanted "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.21" and I got it, tnx anyways
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10:45<acritchlow>does anyone know how to convert filesystem types on debian?
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10:46<linuxftw>Im having a problem booting debian, could sombody help me?
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10:47<gsimmons>acritchlow: Backup the existing data, format with the new filesystem, restore the data.
10:47<gsimmons>acritchlow: If you're going from ext2 -> ext3, that's easily arranged however.
10:47<linuxftw>When I boot I get the error, cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0). I have a sata drive, using the kernel option root=/dev/sda1
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10:48<seanius>AbsintheSyringe: yes. also, you'll need that config-`uname -r` i mentioned earlier, as if y
10:49<seanius>ou compile the kernel without providing that, the output will be different
10:49<acritchlow>Im going from ext3 to reiserfs
10:50<AbsintheSyringe>seanius, I know I compiled kernels before, dont worry, popped my cherry long time ago ;)
10:50<gsimmons>acritchlow: You'd want to use the backup/format/restore procedure, then.
10:50<AbsintheSyringe>acritchlow, reiserfs rocks
10:50<sheldonh>reiserfs so doesn't rock
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10:50<acritchlow>Id prefer just to convert
10:50<AbsintheSyringe>it does for me
10:50[~]sheldonh is engaged in the rather painful process of phasing out reiserfs in favour of ext3
10:50<sheldonh>i used to think it rocked for me too :)
10:51<acritchlow>sheldonh: why does reiserfs not rock?
10:51<dpkg>hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive.
10:51<seanius>it has killer performance
10:51<linuxftw>Is the debian kernel compiled with support for SATA drives?
10:51<sheldonh>acritchlow: first, it uses unsafe block journaling that can lead to unrecoverable filesystem corruption in the event of power failure
10:52<acritchlow>okey dokey
10:52<sheldonh>acritchlow: second, if you have a reiserfs filesystem image stored as a file on a reiserfs filesystem, reiserfsck screws your fs hard
10:52<sheldonh>acritchlow: third, it can't be grown on the fly like ext3 can
10:52<seanius>um. i thought it could
10:52<LoneTech>sheldonh: yes, reiserfs can be live-grown with just a remount.
10:53<sheldonh>acritchlow: and finally, ext3 has dangerous options that allow it to perform close to resierfs' performance
10:53<sheldonh>LoneTech: that is not on the fly
10:53<LoneTech>how is it not on the fly when I keep using the filesystem?
10:53<sheldonh>LoneTech: a rw-mounted ext3 fs can be grown on the fly
10:53<seanius>sheldonh: reiserfs has supported dynamic resizing for years before ext
10:53<acritchlow>I have another question, is it possible to make some sort of boot disk, incase of failure?
10:53<sheldonh>oh really? well there you have it, then, scratch that issue
10:54<mikkelorz>acritchlow: sure it's called a livecd
10:54<seanius>not that i would recommend it over ext3, but just to keep your story straight :)
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10:54<sheldonh>i wonder how i came to believe that reiserfs couldn't be resized on the fly. *shrug*
10:54<acritchlow>other then a live cd?
10:54<sheldonh>seanius: thanks for the correction
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10:54<sheldonh>seanius: the only thing worse than being wrong is continuing to be wrong :)
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10:54<seanius>i think it may have had issues with shrinking
10:54<sheldonh>seanius: well, and i hear death's a bitch too ;)
10:55<LoneTech>last time I actually did a resize, only growing was live, yes.
10:55<acritchlow>I use mdadm to mirror hard drives as well, is it possible to mirror the root partition?
10:55<emmetea>i don't know shel, i think a free DMT when you die isn't too bad
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10:56<Devendra>any one here?
10:56<LoneTech>acritchlow: yes, it's possible to run a mirrored root filesystem.
10:56<LoneTech>Devendra: no, everybody left in those two seconds.
10:57<Devendra>awts :P
10:57<acritchlow>LoneTech: how is it done? (via software)
10:57<seanius>acritchlow: yes. if /boot is also on /, then you need to mess with your bootloader a bit
10:57<mikkelorz>acritchlow: ah that sorta bootdisk :) check out lvm if you want it done via software
10:58<LoneTech>acritchlow: you just have to use an initrd/initramfs that sets up the mirroring. to be able to boot from either drive you'll have to fiddle some with the bootloader to get identical installs.
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10:58<acritchlow>okey dokey I'll give it a go
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10:59<LoneTech>I probably should rerun the installer occasionally just to learn it
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11:00<seanius>acritchlow: fyi i believe the etch installer will do all the bootloader config for you if you set up such a system
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11:01<acritchlow>I know you can do LVM and encrypted LVM with the etch installer but not mirroring
11:02<davux>hi here :)
11:02<linuxftw>Does the Debian kernel have support for SATA drives compiled as standard?
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11:02<seanius>linuxftw: yes but the support for different controller types varies
11:02<linuxftw>OK, thanks
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11:03<gsimmons>acritchlow: Uh, you can do mirroring with the installer. :)
11:03[~]davux reads the doc, waves and heads to #debian-devel :D
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11:03<Devendra>seanius or LoneTech, Ive installed Nvidia drivers. It went all success till Ive restarted X (when i changed "nv" to "nvidia", Kernel Headers are installed, (Running 2.6.22-4), and used the same guide i used for sid or etch.
11:04<seanius>linuxftw: if the etch installer has issues with it, you can try googling for "kmuto debian installer"
11:04<seanius>he distributes updated versions of d-i with newer kernels for sata support etc
11:05<linuxftw>Woooooooo ~~got it to work =D
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11:05<Devendra>The output error is: (EE) No display found. And some fatal error
11:06<seanius>Devendra: lsmod | grep nvidia ?
11:06<Devendra>nothing happens
11:06<EmleyMoor>Can xine drop sound when the machine is busy or am I playing a faulty DVD?
11:06<seanius>the nvidia module isn't loaded
11:06<seanius>modprobe nvidia ?
11:07<Devendra>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device
11:07<seanius>can you paste the output of dmesg?
11:07<sheldonh>unsupported card, sounds like
11:07<seanius>either it doesn't see your nvidia card / doesn't support it, or the card is in use by some other driver
11:08<Devendra>it was a couple of hours ago :P
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11:08<Devendra>seanius, Ive upgradet to sid and it worked perfectly, Ive re installed lenny and i had this problem
11:09<Devendra>and i know Ive done the exact same thing
11:09<Devendra>full reboot does not work ether
11:09<seanius>paste dmesg ?
11:09<emmetea>Devendra: is it the nvidia drivers from the website?
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11:09<Devendra>NVRM: this GPU. Continuing probe...
11:09<Devendra>NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!
11:09<Devendra>NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 GPU installed in this system is
11:09<Devendra>NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 1.0-96xx Legacy drivers. Please
11:09<Devendra>NVRM: visit for more
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11:09<sheldonh>Devendra: same version of the nvidia driver in sid and lenny?
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11:10<emmetea>Devendra: did you use their installer?
11:10<sheldonh>and you did it anyway. thanks :)
11:10<Devendra>emmetea, no i used apt
11:11<emmetea>with their installer kernel-sources needed be installed and symlinked for it work.
11:11<emmetea>Devendra: damn
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11:11<seanius>dpkg: tell Devendra about paste
11:12<slam>Devendra: your old card is simply not supported any more with the new drivers - get those legacy drivers 96xx
11:12<sheldonh>Devendra: then it's definitely not the same version in lenny as was working for you in sid
11:13<seanius>Devendra: if it worked in side, you could try downloading the sid version of nvidia-kernel-source and trying again
11:14<slam>Devendra: newer drivers do not support your gf4xx card any more
11:14<Devendra>i try to apt-get the 96xx drivers
11:14<linuxftw>If im at the bash prompt in debian and I push backspace when there are no characters to delete, the computer beeps, is there any way to disable that?
11:14<slam>Devendra: newer driver is not better drive in case of nvidia
11:15<seanius>linuxftw: in X or on the console?
11:15<linuxftw>Is there just a bash conf file I can edit or somthing?
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11:16<sheldonh>linuxftw: disabling the bell is a function of the terminal, not the shell
11:16<sheldonh>linuxftw: what terminal are you using?
11:16<linuxftw>Or is bash a shell? *confused*
11:16<sheldonh>linuxftw: bash is a shell
11:16<suiside>linuxftw: bash is the shell
11:17<linuxftw>Ok, well how can I find out which terminal im using?
11:17<sheldonh>linuxftw: what terminal are you using? e.g. xterm, konsole, one of the virtual terminals you get with Alt-F1 etc
11:17<slam>Devendra: say thanks to the nvidia-glx maintainer - and install manually
11:17<slam>Devendra: and file a bug report - pls
11:17<linuxftw>if it helps I just insatlled this debian distro a few mins ago so everything is default
11:17<sheldonh>linuxftw: that doesn't help :)
11:17<Devendra>slam, ok :)
11:18<linuxftw>Errr, well I just started it and its in the prompt here, i have no idea whether its xterm or konsole or anything
11:18<Devendra>slam, i cannot access nvidia sites btw....
11:18<Devendra>some how i get ping time out
11:19<chealer>slam: that's NVIDIA's installer, and that's not the installer for legacy drivers anyway.
11:19<linuxftw>Is there a way I can find out which terminal im using?
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11:19<ranix>good lord linuxftw
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11:20<ranix>you need to actually look at things with your eyes and come to something at least REMOTELY resembling understanding before you ask questions here
11:20<linuxftw>Right, what do I look at?
11:20<slam>chealer: instead of educating me - which is hopeless, any way - pls help the person who got the problem
11:20<ranix>if you don't know which program you are using we can't help you
11:21<slam>chealer: i am running 100.14.11 on kernel 2.6.23 with an old gf6600 - no help needed, thanks ;-)
11:21<linuxftw>I turned it on, it went strait into the prompt, not the xwindow system, so I assume it would not be xterm
11:22<seanius>linuxftw: try typeing: set bell-style none
11:22<chealer>slam: if the person in questions asks a question, I'll try answering. meanwhile, don't be surprised to be rectified if you're giving bad/erroneous advice.
11:22<chealer>slam: I was not trying to support you.
11:22<slam>chealer: at least i tried to help - you still argue with me ;-)
11:22<linuxftw>set bell-style none didn't work
11:23<ranix>slam: giving misinformation hasn't been considered 'helping' for many years now
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11:23<slam>ranix: thanks - good advice
11:24<slam>ranix: i did not see much "information", and my "misinformation" was not that wrong
11:25<seanius>linuxftw: oh, sorry, that goes in /etc/inputrc
11:25<slam>ranix: same for you - pls help solving Devenda's problem - i can handle my own ones quite well
11:25<linuxftw>Oh ok
11:25<seanius>or ~/.inputrc
11:25<seanius>are you familiar with text-based editors?
11:25<linuxftw>Thanks, ive added it, going to reboot
11:26<seanius>you shouldn't need to reboot for htat
11:26<seanius>just logout/login
11:26<linuxftw>oh well, I have anyway :P
11:27<suiside>linuxftw: rebooting is silly and seldom needed, most changes take effect in other, less drastic ways
11:27<linuxftw>woo, it fixed the problem
11:27<linuxftw>Thanks suiside :)
11:28<sheldonh>linuxftw: if you're happy with seanius' advice, you can make the change permanent across the entire system by editing /etc/inputrc, or just your user by editing $HOME/.inputrc
11:29<linuxftw>I edited the one in /etc
11:29<linuxftw>so its system wide already :)
11:29<sheldonh>linuxftw: that's system-wide. discouraged on multiuser systems, but probably fine on a single user workstation
11:29<linuxftw>I have a new problem, I need to setup networking :S
11:30<sheldonh>linuxftw: take a look at the debian reference:
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11:31<sheldonh>linuxftw: chapter 10 provides a good introductory survey, and should leave you equipped to ask sensible questions :)
11:31<sheldonh>hmmm, i wonder what dpkg has to say
11:31<dpkg>from memory, networking is at and and "man interfaces"
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11:31<err404>linuxftw, what ou want for your network ?
11:32<sheldonh>hmmm, dpkg should really reference the debian reference, chapter 10. that chapter starts by recommending Net-HOWTO, but includes useful debian-specific intel
11:32<johnon>hi.can anyone tell me where in the filesystem are history files situated ?
11:33<linuxftw>if you mean like bash history it should be in ~/.bashhistory or somthing
11:33<johnon>i mean network browser's
11:33<johnon>i use iceweasel
11:35<sheldonh>johnon: $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*/history.dat
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11:36<johnon>sheldonh: thanks.what about remembered items in google?can i also remove them?
11:37<sheldonh>johnon: if you're trying to cover your tracks after browsing pr0n, why don't you just use iceweasel's "Tools -> Clear Private Data"?
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11:39<johnon>sheldonh:of course.thank you.
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11:40<sheldonh>johnon: you may also find it useful to create a separate profile for questionable browsing, so that clearing its private data doesn't wipe out the private data that's actually useful on legitimate sites :)
11:40<Devendra>dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx (--install):
11:40<Devendra> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
11:40<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
11:41<Devendra>even .deb's he wont accept
11:42<flami>!debian multimedia
11:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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11:45<johnon>sheldonh: i have found, i can also use option "Remember what i enter in forms and the search bar" in iceweasel's preferences.:)
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11:47<johnon>sheldonh:one more question if i can:) maybe you know how to install "java runtime environment"?iceweasel is unable to install this package(shows an error).if i would like to talk on a chat i can't:((
11:47<jdhore>anyone know what's going on with
11:47<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
11:47<jdhore>anyone know what's going on with
11:48<jdhore>It's got a new look to it and half the pages give me a 500 error
11:48<jdhore>johnon, enable the non-free repo then: apt-get install sun-java6-jre
11:48<sheldonh>jdhore: looks like its being migrated, and the database is being regenerated?
11:48<jdhore>or sun-java5-jre
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11:49<Devendra>brb bashing head to wall
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11:49<jdhore>sheldonh, ahh...i couldn't tell...BTW, is this hinting at at website update for all of
11:49<sheldonh>jdhore: shouldn't think so
11:49<johnon>jdhore:sorry, i can't speak english very well. what do you mean 'non-free repo'?
11:50<johnon>jdhore:i have to add entry in sources.list?
11:50<sheldonh>johnon: /msg dpkg install java
11:50<jdhore>johnon, go into /etc/apt/sources.list and add the word "non-free" after all the lines that start with deb
11:50<sheldonh>johnon: and /msg dpkg non-free
11:51<sheldonh>not much point in having this knowledge base sitting here if we're going to repeat its contents over and over again :)
11:51<sheldonh>and now, someone will warn you about your language :)
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11:53<jdhore> is also called the "thermite" version of debian...I might have to start calling it that
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11:57<johnon> i have to reboot after adding words in sources.list?:)
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11:57<slam>jdhore: any reference for the thermite thingy?
11:57<jdhore>slam, /msg dpkg sid
11:58<jdhore>It's on the first line, but it's easy enough to do that over me copying and pasting
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11:58<sheldonh>jdhore: aptitude update
11:58<slam>jdhore: thanks
11:59<jdhore>sheldonh, i know...but he asked you you needed to reboot...and the answer to that is no
11:59<linuxftw>Could sombody help me setting up networking in debian? im lost
11:59<slam>jdhore: apt-get update, if you don't use aptitude
11:59<abrotman>Ganneff: how come the pdo goes sarge->etch->sid->lenny ?
11:59<sheldonh>jdhore: i thought i was answering the person who asked the question
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11:59<@Ganneff>abrotman: ?
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12:00<abrotman>on the package pages .. on the top right
12:00<slam>abrotman: lenny = sid at the moment
12:00<johnon>unable to find the package
12:00<@Ganneff>slam: no
12:00<miksuh>linuxftw: desktop or server? if desktop then gnome, kde or something else?
12:00<sheldonh>slam: are you sure about that?
12:00<sheldonh>slam: apt-cache policy suggests otherwise on a regular basis :)
12:00<miksuh>linuxftw: and wireless or not?
12:01<linuxftw>And im not using the xwindow system
12:01<linuxftw>no not wireless
12:01<miksuh>desktop system whitout x?
12:01<sheldonh>linuxftw: where are you getting stuck with 10.6 in the debian reference?
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12:01<abrotman>Ganneff: like on .. on the far right .. it's sid->experimental->lenny
12:01<seanius>dpkg: tell linuxftw about interfaces
12:01<jdhore>i got a quick question...i have all the files for the 2.6.22-1 kernel, do i only need linux-image and linux-headers for 2.6.22-2 or do i need other stuff?
12:01<@Ganneff>abrotman: yes, noted.
12:01<linuxftw>I will install a desktop environment, but not yet
12:01<abrotman>i guess i just thought they'd go in order of stable-ness (for lack of a better word)
12:02<seanius>linuxftw: if you end up installing a graphical environment, there are graphical tools that might be easier too
12:02<linuxftw>I would like to do it without the graphical tool for now though
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12:02<johnon>please, last time, help me:( :)
12:02<sheldonh>linuxftw: because you want to understand how it works?
12:02<linuxftw>Yeah amounst other reasons
12:02<seanius>linuxftw: sure, i think that's a better way to actually learn too
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12:03<@Ganneff>abrotman: fixed
12:03<sheldonh>linuxftw: then do your @#%$ homework and read chapter 10 :)
12:03<abrotman>Ganneff: ah .. thanks
12:03<abrotman>johnon: what's broken ?
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12:03<linuxftw>I did
12:03<abrotman>johnon: run aptitude update .. then search for the java you want and install it
12:04<linuxftw>I tried ifconfig eth3 inet up
12:04<sheldonh>linuxftw: then ask a specific question with reference to the content you've read :)
12:04<sheldonh>linuxftw: rather use high-level configuration, as per 10.6
12:04<linuxftw>The light on my router starts flashing indicating somthing is connected
12:04<linuxftw>I also tried that
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12:04<linuxftw>I addded iface eth3 inet dhcp
12:05<linuxftw>to /etc/network/interfaces
12:05<linuxftw>But that failed to do anything
12:05<acritchlow>can anyone recommend a good text based irc program?
12:05<johnon>abrotman:but when i type 'aptitude update' , at the end of the list it shows me an errors like 'unable to finish operations etc'
12:05<linuxftw>they are all text-based aren't they? I haven't found one that reads the chat to me anyways...
12:06<acritchlow>available via apt? - Sorry I mean without needing a GUI
12:06<abrotman>johnon: paste the errors so we can see themn
12:06<abrotman>acritchlow: irssi
12:06<seanius>linuxftw: and what happens when you do ifup eth3
12:06<johnon>so wait a moment i have to change session language..
12:06<slam>acritchlow: irssi is fine
12:06<johnon>or you want in polish:)
12:06<linuxftw>It connects
12:06<linuxftw>:O and works..
12:07<linuxftw>Wtf, it didn't work the first time, im sorry
12:07<dpkg>well, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
12:07<seanius>linuxftw: you should also have an auto line in there for the device if you want it to come up at next boot
12:07<linuxftw>To /etc/network/interfaces?
12:07<seanius>take a look at the sample file again for what it should look like
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12:09<linuxftw>Seanius: which sample file?
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12:09<acritchlow>thats better :)
12:09<seanius>the file /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
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12:10<kop>I'm trying to install etch with the network installer via wireless. The installer's console lspci says "RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" but it does not show up in the installer's listing of nic cards. What should I do?
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12:11<sheldonh>linuxftw: when you install a graphical environment, you'll want to scrap what you've done and use network-manager, which is _the_ shit
12:12<linuxftw>I was thinking of using the beryl project as a desktop environment, is that a good idea?
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12:13<kop>(Is the rt61 driver in etch? Will it work once I get etch installed? I _could_ try a minimal install from a cd and go from there....)
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12:13<sheldonh>dpkg: tell kop about ralink
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12:16<linuxftw>I gotta go, thanks for the help all
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12:21<kop>sheldonh: Thanks. So, I would find out which cd the out-of-tree driver is on and get that, along with the install cd? I'm having trouble searching debian packages for rt61 at Nothing comes up.
12:23<kop>Never mind.
12:23<LoneTech>kop: rt2500-source would seem the appropriate package, and module-assistant might make it easier to build. not sure about ready built.
12:23<LoneTech>or maybe 2570. mine isn't that new.
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12:26<james_w>no there's an rt61 but it isn't packaged.
12:26<kop>LoneTech: It seems there's a rt2500 binary, but that's an X11 config tool. Maybe there's something in the wireless tools package that I can use in the installer to turn on the interface....
12:27<LoneTech>that interface has never been any help to me. deleting its config file has, though.
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12:27<LoneTech>the driver does madness like parsing a config file from the kernel module.
12:27<kop>LoneTech: Lordy.
12:28<LoneTech>and much of its size comes from an emulation of the w32 registry
12:30<kop>LoneTech: So, if it's an rt2561 that means that it's supported by the rt2500 package? How can I read the package docs without a system to install the package on?
12:30<james_w>kop: no if it's an rt61 you need the rt61 driver.
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12:31<kop>james_w: Thanks. Ugh. And not packaged too.
12:31<LoneTech>sorry, my confusion
12:31<james_w>you can try the rt2x00 that is supposed to replace that I think.
12:31<james_w>my rt61 also requires firmware, does yours?
12:31<LoneTech>it's just one kernel module, so packaged or not doesn't seem too critical to me
12:32<kop>I'll be administering it removely. Upgrading the kernel will be painful.
12:32<james_w>kop: looks useful.
12:34<LoneTech>that /etc/Wireless stuff was the config file I mentioned.. just having it would make the driver reset some things on its own, so iwconfig wouldn't work as usual.
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12:34<kop>james_w: (That url didn't work for me. A more or less empty page.)
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12:35<sheldonh>kop: i've found that aptitude dist-upgrade and module-assistant make it pretty painless if there's a debian source package for the kernel drivers i use
12:36<kop>sheldonh: I've done very little with module-assistant, but one of my boxes is using it so I'll now find out.
12:36<sheldonh>kop: it's great
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12:37<sheldonh>kop: the last upgrade of my zaptel-enabled asterisk gateways looked like this...
12:37<kop>sheldonh: _That's_ what it was, zaptel. :)
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12:38<sheldonh>kop: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade && m-a a-i -f -l 2.6.18-5-686 `m-a li | awk '$3 == "installed" {print $1}'`
12:38<sheldonh>kop: that's what what was?
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12:39<kop>sheldonh: What I was using module assistant for, zaptel.
12:39<dibs>whats the default language here?
12:39<sheldonh>kop: ah
12:40<sheldonh>dibs: english
12:40<dibs>any german debian channel?
12:40<dpkg>[de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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12:44<kop>I don't think the rt61 is going to work for me at the moment. Too bleeding edge. It'd be different if there was a package.
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12:46<kop>Thanks for the help.
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12:48<chealer>kop: give up, that won't work.
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12:52<kop>chealer: My spirit is already broken. I am resigned to new hardware.
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12:52<Giacomo>I've got some problems with MySQL
12:52<Giacomo>actually, it is NOT writing any log file
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12:54<RetroJ>hi, I accidentally deleted /initrd.img, /initrd.img.old, /vmlinuz, and /vmlinuz.old. what do I do?
12:56<james_w>kop: what hardware do you have?
12:57<Giacomo>hi I've got a question
12:57<Giacomo>my server experiences some awful slowdowns
12:57<Giacomo>there's nothing strange in the logfiles
12:58<Giacomo>I think this is related to some performance-killing chron jobs
12:58<Giacomo>how can I force launching a chron job to see how the server performs it?
12:59<james_w>RetroJ: (as root) cd /; ln -s boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) vmlinuz; ln -s boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) initrd.img
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12:59<Giacomo>can you help me?
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12:59<james_w>then you can link the .old links to the previous kernel and initrd.
12:59<seanius>Giacomo: take a look at /etc/crontab
12:59<pumpkin0>Giacomo: grok the cron-tabs and launch the thing via ssh ...
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12:59<Giacomo>"grok the cron-tabs" ???
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13:00<pumpkin0>Giacomo: rad and try to understand.
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13:01<Giacomo>man grok: there's no manual for grok
13:02<Giacomo>what is 'grok'?
13:02<RetroJ>james_w: thank you. you saved me ):
13:02<pumpkin0>Giacomo: grok = read and understand code.
13:02<cdlu>Giacomo, a term from the book 'stranger in a strange land' meaning to drink an idea, to understand it fully.
13:02<james_w>RetroJ: no problem.
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13:03<Giacomo>I see
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13:03<Giacomo>so I have to change chrontabs
13:04<james_w>RetroJ: if you are using grub then I believe that it wont have been a problem anyway, but better safe than sorry.
13:04<Giacomo>I mean, change the day & time at which jobs 'fire' in order to see if they affect server's performance?
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13:04<james_w>Giacomo: you don't need to change them, you can just read them and then try each of the commands they run in turn to see if they cause a slowdown.
13:05<RetroJ>ok, good to know
13:05<Giacomo>now I see
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13:05<tuxboy>Hi everyone someone here knows something about klipper the clipboard aplication?
13:05<james_w>Giacomo: if there's only one user on the machine and you haven't added any crontab entries yourself then start by looking in /etc/cron.*
13:06<james_w>Giacomo: if the slowdown is once a day then start with /etc/cron.daily
13:07<kop>Giacomo: (Very rarely you do need to run them from cron, because the $PATH and maybe other parts of the environment may be different. Copy the line and change the times so it runs, say, two minutes from now and wait two minutes.)
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13:08<Giacomo>I see
13:08<regis>hello,what config file should i edit to make firestarter work
13:08<james_w>regis: what do you mean by work?
13:08<Giacomo>now the last question
13:08<Giacomo>thank you for you patience
13:09<james_w>regis: firestarter has a gui that you can run as root.
13:09<Giacomo>I've found this bad, bad line in my logs: - - [30/Aug/2007:19:32:03 +0200] "POST http://[the ip of my server]/admin/business_inc/saveserver.php?thisdir= HTTP/1.0" 404 302 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"
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13:09<Giacomo>what the hell is that?
13:09<Giacomo>I do think THIS slows down my server
13:09<regis>james_w, yes but it uses dhcpd and there is a config file to tell to use eth0
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13:10<james_w>Giacomo: that is someone trying to hack your server. It doesn't mean that it worked though. It is only one HTTP request, so I don't imagine that it slowed you down much
13:10<Giacomo>but what does it mean?
13:11<james_w>Giacomo: unless you do have /admin/business_inc/saveserver.php in which case you might be in trouble.
13:11<Giacomo>someone trying to POST .... what?
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13:11<Giacomo>no, I haven't
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13:11<pumpkin0>Giacomo: your server didn't know the page and returned an error to the user. That takes about 5ms and will not harm the server.
13:11<james_w>it will just be an exploit for some system or other. The exploit is clearly just to post to that php script with a specially crafted request.
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13:12<james_w>although not that special in this case.
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13:13<Giacomo>thanks another time!
13:13<pumpkin0>hmm that file is still online. Let's check .. .
13:13<Giacomo>I thought .... I've another question (...shame...)
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13:14<pumpkin0>it is a remote shell written in php ... ineressting stuff.
13:14<Giacomo>how can I turn on MySQL logging so that failed login attempts are logged and eventually reported throughout logcheck?
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13:21<Giacomo>how can I turn on MySQL logging so that failed login attempts are logged and eventually reported throughout logcheck?
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13:37<chuy_max>is it possible to edit files over ssh using a GUI program without forwarding X (local app)?
13:37<chuy_max>text files
13:38<pumpkin0>chuy_max: yes, if you use sshfs and mount the remote fs localy.
13:38<ricky>chuy_max: In gedit, open sftp://host/file
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13:39<chuy_max>ok, thanks pumpkin0, ricky, I'm trying that
13:39<ricky>The same goes for kate, and possibly vim.gnome
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13:41<Giacomo>is there any way my server can mail me if load averages are high?
13:41<Giacomo>is there any history of load averages?
13:41[~]ricky guesses something like nagios?
13:42<tuxie_>hi all, I read on the macbook wiki about the appleir module, but I can't find it on the repos (sid)
13:42<tuxie_>does anyone know where I can get it?
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14:08<seanius>Giacomo: read /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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14:11<AbsintheSyringe>FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy
14:11<AbsintheSyringe> ...
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14:13<fatal>AbsintheSyringe: I'm guessing it's because you can't use acpi and apm at the same time. Which modules do you currently have loaded? (lsmod)
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14:14<AbsintheSyringe>fatal, nope, I only use acpi,
14:14<AbsintheSyringe>and of course I get overheating
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14:16<Giacomo>is there any way my server can mail me if load averages are high? is there any history of load averages?
14:17<fatal>AbsintheSyringe: some other module is using the resource, try unloading the speedstep_centrino module and see if that helps....
14:18<AbsintheSyringe>fatal, that even happens while booting, I'll just hope it doesnt burn when trying to compile my own kernel
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14:22<hakan_>is there anybody that who can help me about putting debian dvds to my disk...
14:22<lupine>as in, download from internet or burn to dvd?
14:23<hakan_>hi lupine...
14:23<hakan_>i have dvds
14:23<lupine>and you want..
14:23<hakan_>but i dont want to put everytime to my dvdrom drive...
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14:23<lupine>ah, I got you. Data DVDs or video DVDs?
14:24<hakan_>i have debian dvds
14:24<hakan_>and i want to put them to my harddisk...
14:25<lupine>dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/image.iso
14:25<lupine>will make an ISO image that you can mount
14:25<hakan_>and i dont want that debian ask to me like "where is 1st dvd..." or "where is 2nd dvd..."
14:25<sheldonh>Giacomo: if it's just one server, you could write a script. but sooner or later, you'll want to use a monitoring system like nagios
14:25<lupine>mm, for that you're probably best off just updating using the internet rather than the DVDs
14:26<lupine>just comment out any lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that mention cdroms
14:26<lupine>(or dvds)
14:26<hakan_>yeah i remember this file...
14:26<hakan_>you mean that internet is the best way for that or?
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14:27<lupine>Internet is the best
14:27<lupine>as it's more up to date, so you get all the security fixes etc
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14:28<hakan_>does we have any other site than security for update...
14:29<hakan_>sorry....does we have any other site than security update...
14:30<lupine>there are lots of sites that provide packages
14:30<lupine>bah, I fail at dpkg
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14:32<hakan_>does security update site is enough for all?
14:32<lupine>security does, umm, security updates
14:32<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
14:32<lupine>those are where the majority of tyhe packages are
14:32<lupine>(in main, contrib and non-free repositories)
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14:35<hakan_>what should i wrote for apt/sources.list ???
14:36<chealer>hakan_: what's your current sources.list?
14:37<hakan_>wait i am prepairing...
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14:37<hakan_>deb etch/updates main contrib
14:38<hakan_>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
14:38<hakan_>these are all
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14:40<lupine>deb etch main contrib non-free
14:40<EmleyMoor>I'm making a full backup of this system, but it's getting difficult to be sure I'm going to be able to cut it into DVD-size chunks
14:40<lupine>will let you access all the packages available, on a nice local mirror
14:40<chealer>hakan_: you need to add a non-security Debian mirror.
14:41<hakan_>is that all lupine?
14:41<hakan_>thanks man..
14:41<EmleyMoor>There's only 3.5Gb left on the partition I'm saving it to
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14:45<camilo>hello, how do i reconfigure my video drivers? i was trying to install compiz and now it damages grafic intrface
14:45<hakan_>see you to all have nice days... bye...
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14:46<chealer>!drxx camilo
14:46<dpkg>camilo: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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14:46<RottNE>hello all: i have a "repair filesystem" prompt, what am i suppose to do?
14:46<chealer>RottNE: when booting Debian?
14:47<RottNE>im not sure what distribution it is... i just came in here because it is a linux channel
14:47<RottNE>im really new
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14:47<streuner_>RottNE: what distro are you using?
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14:47<RottNE>looking into it i see it is redhat... i will go there i guess
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14:48<RottNE>its on a server that im supose to fix :(
14:48<streuner_>try #redhat then
14:48<RottNE>streuner: thank you, i will do so :)
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14:48<streuner_>or just (better) install debian
14:48<streuner_>hm, too late
14:49<camilo>dpkg it says to me xserverx-org is not install
14:49<dpkg>camilo: what are you talking about?
14:49<chealer>camilo: xserver-xorg
14:49<camilo>dpkg i am in cosole mode
14:49<camilo>how can reconfigure my gnome mode
14:49<chealer>camilo: what do you mean by gnome mode?
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14:53<camilo>dpkg chealer now i am recongifuiring my drivers, what is frambuffer ?
14:53<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, camilo
14:53<camilo>hello, how do i reconfigure my video drivers? i was trying to install compiz and now it damages grafic intrface
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14:53<chealer>camilo: I don't know.
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14:53<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or
14:54<chealer>camilo: again, you run # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; as root
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14:56<seanius>don't think he got dpkg was a bot
14:57<chealer>yeah... don't think he hot anything at all
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15:04<regis>does someone knows what cannot stat and a black file with ls means?
15:05<streuner_>whats a "black file"?
15:06<regis>streuner_, when i ls the file is black
15:06<streuner_>just show us a screenshot about (
15:06<regis>stevenr, ok
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15:15<g6o31>hello world
15:15<Giacomo>can you tell me about
15:15<Giacomo>cron.daily, cron.monthly ecc... folders?
15:16<Giacomo>under /etc ?
15:16<Giacomo>why webmin cannot manage them?
15:16<james_w>what do you mean by "cannot manage"?
15:17<Stwange>hey, I'm trying to apt-get install ntfs-config, but it can't find it. I have all the repositories checked and it worked on Ubuntu, what am I doing wrong?
15:17<Giacomo>webmin is able to enable/disable chron jobs
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15:17<regis>stevenr, here it is
15:17<Giacomo>but it does not detect cron jobs stored under /etc/cron.hourly, daily, monthly, etc...
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15:20<Stwange>oh it might only be compatible with ubuntu. Is there anything I can install in Debian for writing to a NTFS partition?
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15:20<dpkg>ntfsrw is probably for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs>
15:21<james_w>Giacomo: maybe it just doesn't know how.
15:21<Giacomo>I see
15:21<Giacomo>well debbian
15:21<Giacomo>has some default cron jobs under /etc/cron.daily
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15:22<Giacomo>what time are they executed?
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15:22<Giacomo>is there any way I can see when they've been executed last time?
15:22<tcsetattr>look at /etc/crontab
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15:25<Stwange>thanks so far
15:26<Stwange>I found the ntfs-3g for debian, but I'm not sure how to install it. I've got control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary (which does nothing when double clicked)
15:26<kyaneos>i cannot configure my sound card, i think it is an intel one, it is mounted on an HP pavilion dv6000, and when i run lspci | grep audio, i get nothing
15:26<kyaneos>can someone help me please?
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15:27<aptituz>Stwange: what you've got is the content of a .deb file. you should not uncompress deb files, but install them (dpkg -i foo.deb)
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15:27<Stwange>ah ok thanks I'll give it a go
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15:30<Stwange>ok it keeps telling me packages are outdated, but when I apt-get install <packagename> it tells me I have the latest version
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16:26<Giacomo>I've got apache2
16:26<Giacomo>with some virtual hosts
16:26<Giacomo>the problems is that my access.log is a complete mess
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16:26<tolecnal>Giacomo: define mess
16:27<Giacomo>the problem is that I cannot understand at what virtual host a specific line refers to
16:27<tolecnal>then you have to specify seperate logs for every virtual host
16:27<tolecnal>that way, you don't have to get all confusclated :)
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16:28<simonrvn>Giacomo: 2 (or more) ways, one, specify the vhost in the log option or split out the logs like tolecnal said
16:29<Giacomo>I'm splitting out
16:30<stoned> ok im going home
16:31<Giacomo>now I've got order, finally
16:31<Giacomo>thank you
16:32<tolecnal>you're welcome :)
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16:36<tolecnal>ludwik: yes?
16:36<simonrvn>ask your question please
16:37<ludwik>im in Polen
16:37<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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16:45<euthymos>I'm searching for a daemon
16:45<euthymos>which monitors CPU load averages
16:45<euthymos>and every day produces a report
16:46<euthymos>(max peak, today average, etc...)
16:46<euthymos>does it exist?
16:47<Myon>or everything linking to librrd
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16:48<tcsetattr>if you'll accept a graph as a kind of report
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16:49<tcsetattr>you may also find sa(1) interesting although it doesn't show load averages exactly
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16:52<euthymos>thank you!
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16:58<tolecnal>euthymos: you might want to look into munin
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17:04<euthymos>munin... it seems good
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17:15<NegativeFPS>anyone here?
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17:18<NegativeFPS>can someone please guide me to a howto on updating the debian kernel?
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17:19<chealer>NegativeFPS: from what to what?
17:19<NegativeFPS>from whatever the standard 4.0r1 kernel it comes with to
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17:22<euthymos>tolecnal: thank you for suggesting me munin, it is GREAT
17:23<tolecnal>of course it's great! :)
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17:23<stoned>NegativeFPS dude I got some
17:23<stoned>NegativeFPS: I tried to run Painkiller under Cedega on debian and I got you
17:23<stoned>literally, half a frame every 4 seconds
17:24<NegativeFPS>heh, stoned
17:24<stoned>I can't understand why
17:24<stoned>because when I was into this game last year, I played it only on cedega in debian
17:24<stoned>and it was beautifully fast and worked great
17:25<chealer>NegativeFPS: is not yet in Debian.
17:25<NegativeFPS>chealer what do you mean? just get it from
17:26<chealer>NegativeFPS: oh, I thought you wanted to upgrade to a Debian kernel.
17:26<NegativeFPS>chealer, what's the difference? I've always done it this way on Ubuntu
17:26<NegativeFPS>I found a guide anyhow,
17:26<chealer>NegativeFPS: the upstream kernel is not "supported", for instance
17:31<NegativeFPS>how can I get xconfig using apt-get?
17:31<NegativeFPS>asking it to download doesn't show any packages
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17:33<dli>!tell NegativeFPS about kp
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17:35<tcsetattr>xconfig is a target in the kernel makefile
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17:38<NegativeFPS>dli xconfig is a substitute to the uglier makeconfig, no? I thought it was just a downloadable program
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17:43<tcsetattr>if by "makeconfig" you mean "make config" or "make menuconfig", then yeah
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17:57<ciphergoth>When I insmod 8139too, I get a message that seems to indicate that my network card has been bound to eth0. But when I try and run ifconfig eth0, I get "Device not found". Any ideas anyone?
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17:58<dli>ciphergoth, check " ifconfig -a "
17:59<ciphergoth>aha, eth2
17:59<ciphergoth>thank you. what's the right way to change what cards are bound to what names?
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18:00<tcsetattr>for anyone who's keeping score, that's one more victim of udev's senseless interface-renaming
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18:02<arriesp>what is the path for the macromedia flash player?
18:02<ciphergoth>tcsetattr: udev does that? There's no /dev/eth0 - it's still udev's domain?
18:03<tcsetattr>yeah, udev screws up more than just /dev
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18:04<tcsetattr>easy solution: apt-get remove udev. if you want to do it the hard way, there's some udev thing in /etc that decides on the interface names.
18:04<ciphergoth>heh. looks helpful
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18:05<tcsetattr>and yes, kernel log gives the interface's name before udev renames it, thus leaving you no way to correlate kernel log messages with the names that are actually available for use. Beautiful, ain't it?
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18:05<ciphergoth>I wonder what the right fix is? I'm not sure it's to drop udev altogether. Did udev log the fact that it had done the renaming anywhere?
18:06<tcsetattr>the people in charge don't seem to think any of this is a problem.
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18:28<sathia>hi all
18:28<sathia>is there anyone?
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18:29<g6o31>lo sthia
18:29<sathia>hello g6o31
18:29<sathia>can I get a bit of help here? is this the right place about debian and networking?
18:29<g6o31>sathia, ;)
18:30<g6o31>just ask
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18:30<sathia>I'm a slackware user, but since I needed a 64 bit OS I got debian from a netinstall
18:30<sathia>my problem is that I may have done something wrong during the network setup
18:31<sathia>I can't get a right routing table to work
18:31<tcsetattr>the basics of debian network configuration are described in: man 5 interfaces
18:31<sathia>and even if the server is up and running it seems slow on down
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18:32<sathia>load, yes I read all about it, but when I try to give the right gateway I obtain another
18:32<sathia>the nice thing is that I have a server with slackware next to it and it works smoothly
18:32<g6o31>flush your routes tables (route del) then try again (route add)
18:33<sathia>let me try
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18:35<tcsetattr>ifdown -a ; ifup -a
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18:36<sathia>that thing will flush?
18:36<gonzaga>anybody has a multilaser's webcam ?
18:37<gonzaga>how configure.
18:37<tcsetattr>interfaces going down should remove just about everything fromt he routing table
18:37<gonzaga>anybody help-me?
18:38<sathia>I've tryed to flush, but it take a wrong destination
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18:40<sathia>let me post an example from the working server
18:40<tcsetattr>you're not making much sense. why don't you show your actual routing table, and what commands you're using to modify it, and explain why you think it's not doing the right thing.
18:40<sathia>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
18:40<sathia> * U 0 0 0 eth0
18:40<sathia>loopback * U 0 0 0 lo
18:40<sathia>default 539.ae0.cr1.3d1 UG 0 0 0 eth0
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18:40<sathia>this is the working server
18:40<sathia>and now is what i get from debian
18:40<sathia>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
18:40<sathia> * U 0 0 0 eth0
18:40<sathia>default 539.ae0.cr1.3d1 UG 0 0 0 eth0
18:40<gonzaga>how configure a multilaser's webcam? The model is wc31200.
18:41<tcsetattr>gonzaga, first of all, do an lsusb to see how it's identified
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18:44<sathia> netmask
18:44<sathia> gateway
18:44<sathia>this is from my /etc/network/interfaces
18:45<gonzaga>the next step is?
18:45<tcsetattr>tell us what it said?
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18:46<tcsetattr>I don't see what's wrong, sathia. If you run netstat -rn you'll get IP addresses which is neater since the hostname "539.ae0.cr1.3d1*" got truncated
18:47<sathia>doing that, it resolves to the right ip
18:47<sathia> UG 0 0 0 eth0
18:47<sathia>so, what is that Destination
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18:52<sathia>do you know if there may be any bandwidth shaper which I'm unaware of on a netinstall debian? I've setup iptables but just to open/close the ports which i need
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18:53<tcsetattr>I don't see where the .24 came from.
18:53<tcsetattr>if you route -del it, does it come back?
18:53<sathia>let me try
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18:54<tcsetattr>wait, is that your address?
18:54<tcsetattr>what _is_ your address on eth0?
18:55<tcsetattr>oh I see, you have a .248 netmask that's a /29 so .24 is the network address.
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18:55<tcsetattr>your other machine has the netmask set to which is certainly wrong.
18:56<sathia>that may be right
18:56<sathia>didn't get the /29 thing
18:56<sathia>what is that (i'm not a sysadmin)
18:58<tcsetattr> is a condensed representation of the binary number 11111111111111111111111111111000 which has 29 1's, and is therefore called a /29 network
18:58<sathia>I see
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18:58<sathia>so it comes out that debian is properly configured and the slackware does not
18:59<tcsetattr>your subnet begins at (which in binary ends with 3 0's) and ends at (which in binary ends in 3 1's). the .24 is therefore the address that represents the subnet as a whole.
18:59<sathia>oh thanks
18:59<tcsetattr>well I can't know what the correct netmask is on your subnet. but surely isn't it because that means the entire 82.* network is on your ethernet segment which I know isn't true
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18:59<sathia>does it gives overhead or something?
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19:00<tcsetattr>well 82.*.*.* is 16,777,216 addresses. You don't have that many.
19:00<sathia>quite true
19:00<tcsetattr>unless you're the regional IP address administraion for Europe.
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19:00<sathia>mmm... no
19:01<tcsetattr>if you're just administering a network with 8 public IP addresses, then is probably right.
19:01<sathia>yes that's it
19:02<sathia>so, the problem is not my gw, what else can it be?
19:03<kop>I've a "PureDigital Ritz Disposable" camera with a homemade USB cable that I've successfully used to operate the camera with under MS Windows and OS-X, but when I plug it into my Debian (etch) box lsusb does not see the device. What do I need to do? (I've not tested w. MS or OS-X on this hardware, but I know the usb port on the Debian box works for other things.)
19:03<tcsetattr>the .24 is your "network" address, the .31 is your "broadcast" address, and the ones in between are the ones you can use as you see fit.
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19:03<tcsetattr>sathia, I still don't know what you're complaining about. A routing table that you didn't know how to read?
19:03<kop>tcsetattr : (Technically you can use the "network address" too, but historically it's not been a good idea.)
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19:04<DeFender1031>hello, my laptop has an internal card reader. It detects the card, but when i try to copy more than like 3 files to it at once, it loses contact with the card, then redetects a second later, and my files that were already copied are gone. How do I fix this?
19:04<sathia>the maching is slow uploading files
19:04<tcsetattr>if the connection isn't working, maybe you could do a traceroute and see how far it gets?
19:04<kop>Is there some sort of udev something I need to do to get the camera recognized by lsusb, or should this happen automaticially?
19:04<tcsetattr>oh, slowness. that's sort of hard to figure.
19:04<sathia>the other one reachs 400KB/s this one a mere 50Kb/s on average
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19:04<tcsetattr>kop, when you plug it in do you get any kernel log messages?
19:04<sathia>but I didn't do anything strange
19:05<sathia>actually I'm 3.000 Kms away from the machine
19:05<sathia>i configure it via virtual tty
19:05<sathia>on a ssh tunnel
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19:06<tcsetattr>sathia, any errors reported by ifconfig? (you should see something like RX packets:740027 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0)
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19:07<kop>DeFender1031 : You probably need to be more specific about the commands/programs you are using etc. (But I couldn't help with that anyway, I don't think.)
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19:07<sathia> RX packets:876038 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
19:07<sathia>eth0: no autonegotiation, 100baseTx-HD, link ok
19:07<DeFender1031>kop, doesn't matter whether i use cp, scp, or kde, it all happens the same
19:08<sathia>TX packets:818572 errors:19041 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:19041
19:08<sathia> collisions:22755 txqueuelen:1000
19:08<sathia> RX bytes:364939572 (348.0 MiB) TX bytes:469912925 (448.1 MiB)
19:08<sathia> Interrupt:169 Memory:f4000000-f4011100
19:09<sathia>do i have to cry?
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19:09<kop>tcsetattr : Yes. Unplugging and replugging gets a usb-disconnect, then a "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7", then "usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice". Each time the address chosen changes.
19:09<sortadi>is there anybody experiencing problems with the auto-mounting of USB flash disks in Debian Testing?
19:10<kop>DeFender1031 : I suggest looking at the output of the "dmesg" command, and in /var/log/messages to see if the box is trying to tell you anything.
19:10<tcsetattr>carrier:19041 collisions:22755 - that's bad. 19041 carrier errors out of 818572 packets, and 22755 collisions? you should never get collisions unless you're using a dumb hub!
19:10<kop>DeFender1031 : And what version of debian are you using and are you using a stock kernel?
19:10<sathia>uname -a
19:10<sathia>Linux staltra 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:10<sortadi>I've been experiencing recently problems with my usb pendrive
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19:11<DeFender1031>kop, lenny, what's a stock kernel?
19:11<sortadi>It won't mount automatically as a mount point and pop the KDE window for accesing it
19:11<kop>DeFender1031 : That's whether you've compiled your own kernel.
19:11<sortadi>And it's using FAT16
19:11<tcsetattr>kop, try running "USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb lsusb"
19:11<sortadi>while a hardisk attached to a IDE-USB tray using ext3 works nice
19:11<DeFender1031>no, i use the packaged one
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19:12<tcsetattr>sathia, I'd say there's something physicall wrong with that network interface. maybe a bad cable?
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19:12<sathia>mh, that may be a bad experiment I made
19:13<tcsetattr>you coudl try forcing it to 10 megabit half-duplex and see if that helps
19:13<sathia>I'll try to make a long story short, my datacenter took my machine and assigned me net parameters
19:13<tcsetattr>wait a minute, you said 100baseTx-HD - that is half duplex.
19:14<tcsetattr>so the question is... why half duplex? half duplex at 100 megabits is not a usual configuration
19:14<sathia>the problem was that i needed to use the previous ip of the site (without changing dns)
19:14<kop>tcsetattr : Jolly good! That works! Now, the next question is how to get gtkam (or maybe gphoto) to find the device. Where can I read up on the USB_DEVFS_PATH, or can you tell me what the principals are?
19:14<sathia>let me explain it may help
19:15<tcsetattr>kop, I don't think it's documented. I found it by reading source code a couple days back, while I was helping someone whose USB scanner was not working.
19:15<sathia>so I've tryed to raise the net with the ip of the site which are pretty different from the one they gave me
19:15<kop>sathia : Half duplex will get you lots of collisions if the other side is full-duplex. Usually you let the devices auto-negotiate that sort of stuff for themselves.
19:15<sathia>that worked and i thought it was good.. probably it's not so
19:15<sathia>i've been assigned to adifferent network i guess
19:16<tcsetattr>but I can summarize: /proc/bus/usb is normally the mount point for usbfs, which provides a dynamic filesystem full of device files. with udev there is the possibility of doing that dynamic stuff in /dev, without a separate filesystem
19:17<kop>sathia : (There are a few ISA bus nics, the 3COM 3c509b comes to mind, that do not auto-negotiate 10/100 and full/half duplex. Otherwise things should work by themselves. If you start manually setting stuff it's easier to get mis-configurations.)
19:17<tcsetattr>so there are some nodes in /dev/bus/usb, which are supposed to be equivalent to the older ones in /proc/bus/usb, but those /dev/bus/usb nodes appear to be buggy. unfortunately libusb prefers to use /dev/bus/usb if present, unless you tell it otherwise.
19:17<sathia>it's a brand new dell, gigabit and all...
19:17<DeFender1031>so does anyone know how to fix my problem?
19:17<tcsetattr>"carrier errors" on your ethernet device really have nothing to do with IP addressing.
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19:18<sathia>so if i can get the ip and the gw it should be fine
19:18<tcsetattr>kop, if gtkam uses libusb, it should respect USB_DEVFS_PATH too.
19:18<sathia>the problem is the nic
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19:18<kop>tcsetattr : Thanks.
19:19<kasy>hi there
19:19<kop>sathia : Or what's on the other end of the wire is set funny and not auto-negotiating properly.
19:19<tcsetattr>my best guess so far is that there is a hardware problem. in that network port, or in the cable, or in whatever the other end of the cable is plugged in to.
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19:19<tcsetattr>it could be a driver bug too, I guess.
19:19<sathia>a driver issue maybe?
19:20<sathia>let me see what kind of nic i have on it
19:20<tcsetattr>if you were near the server I'd suggest swapping some parts :)
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19:20<sathia>i can ask to "intelligent hands" tomorrow
19:20<kop>sathia : My gut tells me tcsetattr is right. Maybe the the cables are bad or something. Maybe sombody sat a chair on it and kinked the wires.
19:20<kasy>need help with netinst CD... it isn't finding my old ISA network card
19:21<sathia>thanks kop
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19:21<kop>sathia : Just a feeling, YMMV.
19:21<kasy>it used to work isapnptools but I don't see isapnptools in netinst CD... any help?
19:21<sathia>I got some documentation on my server and I read it was fully supported
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19:21<sathia>what is YMMV?
19:21<kop>sathia : Your Milage May Vary.
19:21<sathia>09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 12)
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19:22<kop>tcsetattr : I wonder if there's a way to set the libusb path globally....
19:23<tcsetattr>not that I can see.
19:24<tcsetattr>besides recompiling it, or reconfiguring udev to not create /dev/bus/usb (or removing udev, my favorite solution to all problems lately)
19:25<tcsetattr>the fact that /dev/bus/usb devices aren't working is probably a kernel bug though, which you should report if you want it to get fixed
19:25<sathia>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
19:25<sathia>bnx2: eth0 NIC Link is Up, 100 Mbps half duplex
19:25<sathia>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
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19:25<tcsetattr>strace the lsusb with and without the USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb, and compare them. the difference will point to the buggy operation, which the kernel hackers can figure out
19:26<kop>kasy : Have you looked at the debian install manual at It can sometimes help.
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19:26<kop>tcsetattr : Ok. It's my duty. *sigh* ;-)
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19:27<kasy>kop: yes, I did, but I couldn't find anything related to this issue
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19:27<tcsetattr>kop, you are the fourth person in the last three days who I've seen come on IRC with a problem that was fixable by using /proc/bus/usb instead of /dev/bus/usb. it needs to get reported
19:27<kop>tcsetattr : I do note that there's a README with libusb for debian. Maybe I could mount /proc/bus/usb over /dev/bus/usb and make the problem go away.
19:28<tcsetattr>then udev would probably try to create devices on it and get confused :)
19:28<kop>tcsetattr : I was serious about but reportin being an obligation.
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19:30<kop>tcsetattr : Setting the USB_DEVFS_PATH works for gphoto2, fyi.
19:30<sathia>Someone walked on my patch
19:30<sathia>that's it
19:30<kop>sathia : Gibit is finiky. (sp?)
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19:31<sathia>couldn't understand, what do you mean?
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19:32<kop>kasy : Do you have a debian system available? You could look at the linux-doc-2.6 package and look at the kernel parameters and see if there's not one for your nic that would help the installer when you boot it.
19:33<kasy>kop: thx for the tip... I'll try that
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19:33<kop>tcsetattr : (I'll go do the straces. Thing is, I'm using etch. It could very well be fixed in newer kernels.) I guess the first thing to do is look at the existing bugs to see if it's already reported.
19:34<sathia>provider is xs4all
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19:35<chuy_max>I don't know how gnuplot renders the graphics, but if I buy a better video card is plotting going to be faster?
19:35<sathia>excuse me kop, what did you mean for Gibit is finiky?
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19:36<tcsetattr>I'd bet that gnuplot spends much more time doing the math to draw your graphs than on the actual graphic operations
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19:37<kop>chuy_max : Maybe the thing to do is run vmstat 5 and watch how much cpu is going to the system (sy column, maybe) and how much to the user (us). If it's all user space then it's probably the plotting code but if it's in the system then it almost surely will get better with better hardware. This is just a thought. Others might know more.
19:37<kop>chuy_max : or "vmstat 1"
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19:38<kop>sathia : Gigabit ethernet is picky about it's cables, environment, etc. delicate. (Finiky, but I can't spell so that might not be right.)
19:38<sathia>oh got it :)
19:39<sathia>tomorrow they should change my cable, if there will be any benefit I should see it immediatly, am I right?
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19:40<sathia>otherwise if the problem is not hardware I will look into kernel modules
19:40<sathia>is there a way do determinate if the nic is supported in the running kernel?
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19:40<sathia>to determinate*
19:42<tcsetattr>well, the fact that it sends any packets at all indicates that it's recognized by the driver
19:42<sathia>so there isn't the possibility that I am using a "default" driver that cuts its potential
19:43<sathia>let me say as the default vga driver
19:43<MooingLemur>nics don't work that way, unlike vga and IDE
19:43<Hessophanes>sathia: No, you're using the bnx2. One of the messages you pasted said so.
19:43<Hessophanes>(That's exactly the driver for Broadcom NX 5706 and 5708.)
19:43<sathia>oh thanks all guys
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19:44<tcsetattr>'ethtool eth0' should give you some more information
19:44<sathia>let me apt-get install it
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19:45<sathia>Settings for eth0:
19:45<chuy_max>kop, the us column got higher when plotting
19:45<sathia>I'll be flooding now:
19:45<sathia> Supported ports: [ TP ]
19:45<sathia> Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
19:45<sathia> 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
19:45<sathia> 1000baseT/Full
19:45<sathia> Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
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19:46<Hessophanes>sathia: Use or something similar...
19:46<sathia>sorry, first time on irc...
19:46<brew>Is there a unix command that will retrieve the system name for you?
19:46<sathia>wait a second
19:47<kzar>brew: cat /etc/hostname
19:47<brew>kzar: ty
19:47<tcsetattr>even better: the command is "hostname"
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19:47<kop>tcsetattr : gtkam has problems. It think it's permission related. Is there some work-around to set permissions in /proc or should I just hack something up?
19:47<brew>tcsetattr: that's what I was looking for. That seemed way to simple.
19:48<kzar>anyone use beryl 3d desktop enviroment?
19:48<Hessophanes>sathia: That's only ifconfig...? :)
19:48<tcsetattr>kop, ability to change permissions is one of the weaknesses of usbfs
19:48<kop>chuy_max : You could use the "top" command to see what's sucking cpu. It's not likely to be anything but your plotting software, meaning video is not the issue.
19:48<sathia>too many shell opened! I've corrected it, sorry
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19:49<chuy_max>kop, I'm pretty sure its plotting, I did vmstat 1 with range 1-4, when started plotting a complicated equation it had a range of 35-65
19:49<tcsetattr>it's definitely weird that you're in half-duplex.
19:49<chuy_max>range in us column
19:50<sathia>believe me, I have some reason to _hate_ my datacenter
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19:50<kop>chuy_max : Well, if the CPU is idle because it's waiting on disk or something, then faster drives (or raid, I like software raid) would speed things up.
19:51<sathia>will I see you tomorrow this time here guys?
19:51<sathia>you all have been very precious for me, I appreciate a lot
19:53<kop>tcsetattr : I'm not sure I understand. My problem is that everything in /proc seems to be writable only by root, so the ordinary user can't write to the camera to tell it stuff.
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19:55<sathia>i need to go. thank you again.
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19:56<kop>tcsetattr : If I manually make it world read/write then gtkam works. (Oooh. It's shiney! I like gtkam.)
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19:59<gce>i've got a disk that is 2499942.26 MB in size per cfdisk everytime I try to create a lvm on it pvcreate slices out a parition only 280.25 GB in size. how to make lvm see all the disk space ?
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20:06<kop>gce : It's really a 2 Terabyte disk? You're sure cfdisk is right?
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20:06<gce>kop - yep its 6 - 500GB disks in a raid 5 config via 3ware controller
20:07<kop>gce : Well, there's always turning off the hardware raid. Which is actualy a good idea if you don't have a spare controller about. If your controller goes bad your data's gone until you can get another controller that's compatible.
20:08<gce>kop - i prefer the hardware raid over software raid for performance
20:09<kop>gce : Otherwise, I don't know the limits of lvm, but you could partition the "giant drive" and then use the partitions as phyiscal drives and concatenate them back together with lvm.
20:10<kop>gce : (I don't see performance as an issue, but it all depends on the particulars so you know best.)
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20:11<gce>kop : I'm not sure about limitations either but I didn't think 2.5tb was that large for today but it could be the limitation. hmm concatenting the partitions is an interesting idea
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20:53<apol>do you know any command that tells me that the libraries are into /usr/lib or whatever?
20:53<tcsetattr>the libraries are into /usr/lib
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20:55<jdhore>please digg this: (not my article, i think it's a good idea and i want it to get a lot of contributors
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20:59<djmachado>hi guys
20:59<djmachado>whenever i try to compile a c file i get this error
20:59<djmachado>/usr/local/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: not found
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20:59<djmachado>what should i do?
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21:00<djmachado>i'm using gcc
21:00<chuy_max>djmachado, remove local
21:00<djmachado>how come?
21:00<liu> i am first use xchat
21:01<chuy_max>/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h djmachado
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21:01<djmachado>ok i'll try
21:01<chuy_max>djmachado if you still get errors, download libc6-dev and/or xserver-xorg-dev
21:02<chuy_max>actually, just libc6-dev :P
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21:02<djmachado>so i think i'm going to try this option first
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21:11<robertss>Is anyone here knowledgable about gnome-ppp? I'm able to dial out using pon or wvdial but not gnome-ppp.
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21:12<simonrvn>gnome-ppp is totally not updated... just use pon or something
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21:14<robertss>simonrvn: Thanks.
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21:14<simonrvn>robertss: you could make yourself a .desktop file to start pon or such, would be easier than using gnome-ppp =)
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21:18<djmachado>chuy_max: it worked
21:19<djmachado>i removed local
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21:20<djmachado>chuy_max:but i'd like to know what was wrong with it
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21:21<chuy_max>djmachado gcc already told you, file doesn't exist
21:22<chuy_max>at least in the specified path
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21:22<djmachado>yes but why it was looking for that file?
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21:22<chuy_max>ask the coder of the file
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21:23<djmachado>cool i think i know who is that guy
21:24<djmachado>thanks anyway
21:24<chuy_max>you're welcome
21:24<djmachado>see ya
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22:19<tcsetattr>bored bored bored.
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22:38<Phil25>is unionfs included in the debian kernel?
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22:40<tcsetattr>I doubt it. debian doesn't patch in many features that are not yet in the Linus tree
22:43<Phil25>seems to be included:
22:43<tcsetattr>ah, it's packaged separately as an out-of-tree module.
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22:44<Phil25>do you know of a way to merge 2 fodlers into 1 for read only purposes other than that fs?
22:44<Phil25>maybe I dont really need to create a fs
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22:45<tcsetattr>you can make a symlink tree
22:45<Phil25>its just for a samba share (ie: /movies and /hdtv/movies into /allmovies)
22:45<Phil25>yeah..but the files/folders are update frequently
22:45<tcsetattr>but to create the illusion of a directory that actually contains the file, you need some kind of union implementation. (I think there are two implementations competing for entry into the mainline kernel, unionfs is one of them)
22:46<Phil25>yeah unionfs and aufs
22:46<Phil25>but aufs = unionsfs + other
22:46<tcsetattr>"VFS-based union mount"
22:47<tcsetattr>I haven't really studied any of them
22:47<Phil25>you need to recompile the kernel for the VFS from what I read
22:47<tcsetattr>yeah, it's not ready yet as far as I know.
22:48<tcsetattr>and I didn't think the unionfs was mature enough to be useable either, but apt-cache search thinks otherwise :)
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22:49<Phil25>true, but since I only want the core function as read-only, whats the worst that could happen! :P
22:49<Phil25>it fails...ive seen worst, never had a single good experience with linux :)
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22:50<Phil25>but thats how you learn, 3 weeks ago I didnt know jack shit about it...hehehe
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23:00<gorgoi>Err etch Release.gpg
23:00<gorgoi> Temporary failure resolving ''
23:00<gorgoi>Err etch/updates Release.gpg
23:00<gorgoi> Temporary failure resolving ''
23:00<gorgoi>Failed to fetch Temporary failure resolving ''
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23:01<gorgoi>Err etch Release.gpg
23:01<gorgoi> Temporary failure resolving ''
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23:01<gorgoi> Temporary failure resolving ''
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23:01<gorgoi>Temporary failure resolving ''
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23:02<gorgoi>when i apt-get update
23:02<gorgoi>this happend
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23:02<ameyer>gorgoi: sounds like your DNS might be messing up
23:02<gorgoi>help me please
23:02<gorgoi>how can i set that?
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23:03<gorgoi>vi the interface?
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23:10<gorgoi>ameyer:its worked!its really the DNS problem,thx A lot
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23:35<jake111>lots of people... not much talk....
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23:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:36<dbldtx>No problems because there's so many people in here and because Debian works so well
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23:36<dbldtx>Be happy this room has no purpose... for now muahaha
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