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---Logopened Wed Sep 05 00:00:03 2007
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00:11<Supaplex>how do I print the fingerprint of the hostkeys in /etc/ssh/*.pub ?
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00:12<thank>i have question about ssh
00:12<thank>i have question about ssh
00:12<Supaplex>!tell thank -about ask
00:12<Supaplex>!tell thank -about repeat
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00:13<thank>any body here
00:14<jm_>Supaplex: man ssh-keygen
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00:17<thank>about ClientAliveinterval
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00:27<thank>anybody understand ClientAliveinterval ??
00:27<thank>please kindly help !!
00:28<gsimmons>thank: man sshd_config
00:30<thank>yes , thank I have man sshd_config
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00:30<thank>but still not understand
00:31<sutula>thank: Did you read the ClientAliveCountMax part?
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00:32<thank>i want limit client login time
00:33<thank>if client no response
00:33<BuTaMuH>ðóññêèå åñòü çäåñü? ;)
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00:33<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
00:34<sutula>thank: It looks like that option disconnects when the client has gone away...probably not what you want if a user is not typing
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00:39<thank>but this parm is not efective
00:40<sutula>thank: "not effective" in what situation?
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00:41<thank>take effect
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00:50<BuTaMuH>where i can find module in distrib. for ethernet card surecom?
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00:52<gsimmons>thank: Did you reload the sshd configuration after your amendments? ("invoke-rc.d ssh reload")
00:52<tcsetattr>the only "surecom" I can find is "SureCom NE34", an ne2k-pci card
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00:53<chuy_max>is it possible to have 2 domains linked to one server?
00:53<blarson_>chuy_max: yes
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00:56<thank>sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
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00:58<thank> logout and login
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01:11<serg2> If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
01:11<serg2> you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
01:11<serg2> installed on your system. If you specified a separate
01:11<serg2> output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
01:11<serg2> the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
01:11|-|serg2 kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
01:12<ameyer>umm, wtf?
01:12<ameyer>I mean, seems like a pointless paste
01:13<chuy_max>no way sherlock
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01:14<serg2>If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
01:14<serg2>you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
01:14<serg2>installed on your system. If you specified a separate
01:14<serg2>output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
01:14<chuy_max>dont do it anymore serg2
01:14<serg2>the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
01:14<chuy_max>youll be kicked again
01:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
01:15<serg2>it's an error report
01:15<serg2>ok, thank you
01:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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01:17<serg2>what should I do?
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01:18<weasel>what are you trying to do?
01:19<serg2>and can you see from this report what's the problem? i'm trying to install nvidia chipset driver
01:19<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
01:19<chealer>serg2: which file did you download?
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01:20<weasel>serg2: read what dpkg just said.
01:20<Ly_le>what is the command to launch samba
01:21<chealer>serg2: why do you want to install that?
01:21<jm_>samba is started automaticlly once it's installed
01:22<serg2>I suppose it contains driver to the integrated ethernet card. it does not work
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01:22<chealer>serg2: what do you mean by "work"?
01:23<jm_>serg2: forcedeth works for nforce boards
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01:24<serg2>i can't connect through eth0 interface
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01:24<chealer>serg2: what's the Ethernet chipset?
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01:27<chealer>serg2: what happens when you try to connect through eth0 interface?
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01:28<serg2>interface is active but ping writes "Host is unreachable"
01:28<chealer>serg2: are you sure the interface is properly configured?
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01:31<serg2>I'm novice, and not sure for 100%.. ) but all addresses are correct and i didn't do anything except address entering
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01:32<chealer>serg2: what are you trying to ping?
01:32<jm_>paste the output of ifconfig, 'netstat -nr' and interfaces file on pastebin
01:32<serg2>i try to ping my modem
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01:33<chealer>serg2: what command do you run?
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01:33<serg2>ping writes "host is unreachable"
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01:34<chealer>serg2: what's eth0's IP?
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01:34<serg2>gateway is
01:34<chealer>serg2: mask ?
01:34<weasel>which kernel?
01:35<serg2>2.6.16-18 something like that...
01:36<weasel>uname -a
01:36<weasel>so, which kernel?
01:36<tcsetattr>mii-tool eth0
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01:36<serg2>(now i'm sitting under windows and cant remember exactly, need to reboot)
01:37<weasel>ah, so it works in windows?
01:37<weasel>that probably means it's not the cable's fault. :)
01:37<weasel>I'd try with a more recent kernel first. try the one from
01:37<serg2>yes, :)
01:37<serg2>in widnwos i only needed to install drivers and choose a gateway
01:38<serg2>and all works... so, i think there is a driver problem
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01:39<chealer>serg2: you're using Debian 4?
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01:39<serg2>yes, Debian for amd64
01:40<serg2>may be Debian 4 :)
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01:40<serg2>it's the latest stable version
01:41<chealer>serg2: I'm 98% sure it's not a drivers issue. I suggest doing what jm_ asked.
01:42<serg2>it's a good news. :) but i need some time to reboot.
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01:55<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
01:55<tcsetattr>here it comes...
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02:00<tcsetattr>I don't see anything obviously wrong
02:00<jm_>yeah should have run ethtool too
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02:01<tcsetattr>notice that eth0 has RX packets:110 so it must have a link
02:01<tcsetattr>how sure are we that these 192.168.157 addresses are correct?
02:02<jm_>then it must be a case of wrong IP I suppose
02:02<serg2>in windows it works, and modem configured to have such ip ( need to run ethtool?
02:03<tcsetattr>but what IP address does yoru computer's ethernet interface have when it's in windoze?
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02:04<tcsetattr>ethtool might tell us something, but it probably won't.
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02:07<jm_>this will take ages ;)
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02:13<serg2>ethtool is not installed and i need to go. thank you for help
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02:17<tcsetattr>that's why I say mii-tool.
02:18<tcsetattr>mii-tool is in an "important" package. ethtool is "extra".
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02:21<jm_>except that forcedeth doesn't work with mii-tool
02:23<tcsetattr>well that sucks then :)
02:27[~]ameyer parses forcedeth as "forced deth" and wonders who can't spell death
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02:28<ameyer>erm, force deth
02:28<jm_>it was called something else earlier, but I think they have intentionally choosen a name like this
02:30<ameyer>whiskey tango foxtrot does it do?
02:32<ameyer>ahh, I see...
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02:34<tcsetattr>it gives me the feeling that there should be a "megadeth" driver.
02:35<jm_>it's far from being the worst driver in the kernel though
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03:36<simonrvn>tcsetattr: hehehe @ megadeth :)
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03:48<orjan>What action needs to be added to shorewalls rules file to enable apt-get via http?
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03:51<simonrvn>er, outgoing ftp and http... your rules are a bit too tight i'd say ;)
03:51<orjan>simonrvn: only port 80 fot http then?
03:52<simonrvn>20 and 21 for ftp
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03:52<orjan>ok, must have made somethinh else wrong then..
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03:53<simonrvn>would seem so
03:53[~]orjan nods
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04:28<keith>Debian 4.0. I recently purged Openoffice .org but on deciding to reinstall, writer was not with its stable mates in the Office menu. When I tried to install openoffice-writer the message came up that it is already the latest version. Would someone tell me where to find the file ?
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04:31<bzed>keith: /usr/bin/oowriter ?
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04:34<keith>bzed: Sorry,that does not seem to work. Is that the command?
04:35<bzed>that's what starts openoffice-write if it's installed
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04:35<weasel>oowriter is the binary in
04:35<bzed>keith: go and try a aptitude install
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04:38<keith>bzed. I've done that a number of times with the same result every time. I've tried aptitude and apt-get.
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04:39<_uplinkd_>i'm having issues getting my wireless (bcm4318/AirForce One) card to work. followed the directions i've found on google to no avail. using the driver the faqs say, i'm getting an "Invalid driver" error. advice? direction?
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04:44<gsimmons>_uplinkd_: Are you using the bcm43xx driver? Have you installed the necessary firmware?
04:44<_uplinkd_>gsimmons: i'm attempting the ndiswrapper method. next, i am attempting the firmware.
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04:52<gsimmons>_uplinkd_: There's a native driver available for your chipset (bcm43xx), albeit with transmission power issues. You might want to read the troubleshooting section on the ndiswrapper wiki.
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04:53<_uplinkd_>gsimmons: thanks, i'll delve into that
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05:02<skarta>i'm running ubuntu feisty
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05:02<skarta>how do i exit the X server?
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05:03<noflash>skarta, try #ubuntu
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05:03<skarta>i did
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05:04<skarta>nobody helped
05:04<noflash>skarta, switch to debian
05:04<rwh>ctrl-alt-backspace will usually kill it
05:04<skarta>isn't ubuntu a debian distribution
05:05<skarta>ctrl-alt-backspace only restarts the server
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05:05<rwh>it kills the server - something else then starts it again
05:05<jm_>no it's not Debian
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05:06<omac>ctrl-alt-backspace kill the x server.
05:06<jm_>stop display manager, don't ask me how
05:06<skarta>i'll try that
05:06<omac>crontab has something to restart it.
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05:06<omac>kill -9 gdm
05:06<omac>ps efax|grep gdm
05:07<omac>kill -9 whatever the gdm process number is.
05:07<rwh>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
05:07<rwh>would be nicer
05:07<omac>gdm stop that's nice :)
05:07<omac>once gdm is stopped you can do something like startx :)
05:08<rwh>of course, the person who asked the question is gone ...
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05:08<omac>oh well.
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05:26<keith>Debian 4.0. I had purged and reinstalled but cannot find writer but on trying to install it the message comes up that it is already the latest version. Perhaps it is a hidden file. Can anyone help?
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05:27<bcochofel>Hi, how can I list files with the same name but diff extensions on a given dir?
05:28<bcochofel>I need to del one file if I have 3 files with the same name and different ext
05:28<jm_>man basename
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05:31<bcochofel>jm_: I have about 5000 files and I don't know there names. I was wondering if there's a way, maybe with bash cmds, that I can list the files that have 3 diff extensions and not the ones with only two
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05:32<jm_>bcochofel: like I said, basename will help you
05:34<bcochofel>jm_: Ok, but I still don't get how. Here's goes google...
05:34<jm_>bcochofel: first get unique basenames (i.e. sort -u), then operate on those and it's more or less trivial from there on
05:39<bcochofel>jm_: sorry, I'm not getting that
05:40<seanius>bcochofel: are the files all in the same directory?
05:40<bcochofel>seanius: yes
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05:41<seanius>you could probably do something like "ls * | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c" and then filter out anything less than 3 from that pretty easily
05:42<seanius>like with some awk or by piping it to another sort, or with some grepping
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05:43<seanius>if you have spaces or other special characters it gets a little harder
05:43<jm_>ahh basename will be useless here, it needs extensions as argument to remove it
05:43<Dok>hello guys... I read the apt-get and apt.conf man pages but can't find a way to specify which source file to use when using apt-get. Is this possible?
05:43<seanius>Dok: if you mean which deb... line in sources.list, it isn't really though my understanding is in practice the first matching one is used
05:44<jm_>bcochofel: something like this is your base I suppose -- for a in *; do echo "$a" | sed -e 's/\..*$//'; done | sort -u | while read f; do ... done
05:45<Dok>seanius: ok. I thought it might be possible to have multiple sources.list files
05:45<bcochofel>jm_: does that apply to what seanius told?
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05:45<jm_>bcochofel: he said several things
05:45<seanius>jm_: that won't work with files with more than 1 . in their names
05:45<jm_>seanius: actually it will
05:45<seanius>i guess mine won't either though
05:46<jm_>ahh bummer I thought I fixed the regex
05:46<jm_>change .* to [^.]*
05:46<seanius>the sed would have to be s/\.[^\.]*$//
05:46<Dok>So if I want to only make security upgrade of packages how would I do that?
05:46<jm_>apt-get upgrade
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05:47<bcochofel>seanius: yours tells me the count of all the basenames. Now I can grep|awk the results
05:47<bcochofel>thx all
05:48<seanius>bcochofel: yes, but if you have files with . in the name tyou should replace my ls * with a sed expression like jm_ suggested
05:48<Dok>jm_: Yes, but that will also cause all installed packages to be upgraded. Can I specify that it should only be security upgrades?
05:48<seanius>and if you have other special charactesr like space or * or & then you need to use find/xargs
05:48<Dok>without editing my sources.list file first....
05:48<jm_>Dok: are you using stable?
05:48<seanius>Dok: you could pin, but i don't think it would be very useful
05:48<bcochofel>seanius: I don't have. they are all 8 chars plus 3 ext
05:49<bcochofel>seanius: I'm not getting the way to only show 3 or more counts
05:49<seanius>ah, good ol oldschool filenames
05:49<Dok>jm_: I'm not sure. Which command should I use to display that info?
05:49<seanius>you should have something like N:basename where n is an integer right?
05:49<jm_>Dok: cat /etc/debian_version
05:50<Dok>seanius: Sorry...i don't know what pin means
05:50<jm_>Dok: for more advanced selection you can only resort to aptitude
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05:50<Dok>jm_: cat /etc/debian_version outputs 4.0
05:50<seanius>Dok: security updates only apply for stable, which doesn't change in the non-security branches
05:51<jm_>Dok: then you will usually only get security updates anyway
05:52<Dok>jm_: ok. Is there a way for me to tell whether a specific update is security related?
05:52<jm_>Dok: depends when you upgrade
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05:53<seanius>Dok: you could do an apt-get -s install and see where it comes from
05:53<seanius>er, apt-get -s upgrade
05:53<Dok>jm_: It seems I need to do some reading on the upgrade/security process. Can you point me to a good source for that?
05:53<jm_>Dok: nope ;)
05:54<jm_>Dok: the point of the above is that if you run it quickly after a security update is released, it will be fetched from, but later on it's merged to regular repository
05:54<Dok>jm_: ahhh I see...
05:55<jm_>ahh silly me, rading the changelog is too obvious - that's how you can locate them
05:55<seanius>Dok: for documentation, i think the best place to start is
05:56<jm_>Dok: changelogs shall identify security upgrades
05:56<bcochofel>jm_, seanius : from #bash: for f in *; do commonname=( ${f%%.*}.* ); if [[ ${#commonname[@]} > 2 ]]; then echo "$f"; fi; done | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c
05:56<Dok>seanius and jm_: thanks guys
05:56<jm_>yeah I would make that much nicer if it was for zsh too, but I don't know bash too well and have to resort to man pages
05:56<seanius>bcochofel: you might want to throw a -s in the cut command if there are files without extensions that you want to ignore
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05:57<seanius>and usually i prefer to avoid {z,ba}shisms in favor of std cmdline foo when possible :)
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05:58<bcochofel>seanius: ok, thx for the tip
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05:59<seanius>oh and a awk '{if ($1 > 2) print $2}' could be put on the end of all of that to do that last bit of filtering
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06:29<creeed>did somebody install succeful the 3d-desktop under etch on an amd64-machine and can use it?
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06:31<Knight_Lord>How can I change the mouse acceleration?
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06:33<padski>Knight_Lord, I think there are options in xorg.conf
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06:33<Knight_Lord>padski can't i change it with xset?
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06:34<jm_>sure you can
06:34<padski>will that setting stick ?
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06:34<Knight_Lord>I don't need it to stick
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06:37<Knight_Lord>What about mouse sensitivity?
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06:38<padski>is that threshold ?
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07:12<_uplinkd_>what should my troubleshooting process be if i can't get my wireless connection up and running? i have looked at a variety of online how-to's and am unsure of wher the problem is exactly.
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07:12<azeem>_uplinkd_: first, make sure the user-space sees a wireless device by running "iwconfig" as root
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07:13<_uplinkd_>azeem: ok, the device is there.
07:13<azeem>what did you try to configure it?
07:15<_uplinkd_>azeem: i added the device to my /etc/network/interfaces file, using wireless-essid, wireless-mode and wireless-key as parameters
07:16<azeem>do they show up in iwconfig?
07:16<_uplinkd_>azeem: fater making those changes, i brought the device down using ifdown as root and brought it back up using ifup
07:16<_uplinkd_>the essid only shows up as the first character in iwconfig
07:17<_uplinkd_>i.e. the essid is: TWOWIRE and shows as T in iwconfig
07:18<_uplinkd_>i've double/triple checked for typing errors and the like in /etc/network/interfaces, but there seem to be none.
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07:19<azeem>_uplinkd_: maybe pastebin your interface file then
07:19<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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07:21<azeem>_uplinkd_: try to set the essid manually, i.e. "iwconfig eth2 essid TWOWIRE"
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07:22<_uplinkd_>azeem: same behavior.. the first letter only
07:23<azeem>try to put quotes around it
07:23<azeem>maybe an all-caps essid is invalid
07:24<_uplinkd_>same behavior with quotes, i'll try with lowercase and adjust my router to fit
07:24<_uplinkd_>same behavior with all lowercase
07:25<azeem>looks like a driver issue then, what driver are you using?
07:26<azeem>which version of Debian?
07:26<_uplinkd_>which might be the issue
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07:26<azeem>dunno, I suggest you file a bug after you checked the BTS
07:26[~]_uplinkd_ is preparing to downgrade to etch now since this is a fresh install
07:26<azeem>downgrades aren't really supported
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07:27<_uplinkd_>i'm grabbing the netinst for etch
07:27<azeem>_uplinkd_: you can try the Debian Etch LiveCD and see whether that works
07:27<_uplinkd_>good point there too
07:27<azeem>assuming your wireless driver is supported out-of-the-box
07:27<_uplinkd_>should be, it's supported in kernel now
07:27<lupine_85>still needs the firmware, though
07:28<_uplinkd_>doesn't the firmware require ndiswrapper?
07:28<azeem>it's usually the other way round
07:28<lupine_85>no, the windows drivers require ndiswrapper
07:28<azeem>firmware doesn't require anything, drivers require firmware
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07:29[~]_uplinkd_ takes notes and learns something.
07:29<lupine_85>the linux drivers require bcm43*.fw to be placed in /lib/firmware
07:29<azeem>you could keep those around and get the livecd working with them, maybe
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07:33<_uplinkd_>lupine_85, azeem, you guys are the men
07:34<_uplinkd_>lupine_85, found the firmware, now i've got connectivity
07:34<_uplinkd_>azeem, thanks for helping me troubleshoot
07:34<lupine_85>so adding the firmware fixed the issue?
07:34<_uplinkd_>lupine_85, yes
07:35<lupine_85>weird. there should be no functionality at all - not even an interface - without the firmware
07:35<_uplinkd_>kernel module + firmware = happy me
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07:35<lupine_85>maybe they've started implementing their own firmware?
07:35<_uplinkd_>no idea there
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07:36<gsimmons>lupine_85: For the bcm43xx driver at least, an interface does exist prior to any loading of firmware (which is required when the radio is activated, for example).
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07:49<isuckatlinux>i installed the new nvidia driver and works fine, if i reboot the computer i get a black screen, anyone knows what's going on?
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07:50<chealer>isuckatlinux: did you check X's log?
07:51<isuckatlinux>yup, it doesnt say anything, im thinking that the nvidia installer puts the driver in the wrong place
07:51<isuckatlinux>and the module doesnt load when i reboot
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07:52<chealer>isuckatlinux: wouldn't X fail to load in that case?
07:52<isuckatlinux>i installed it twice, works fine after that, but as sooon as i reboot i loose it
07:52<isuckatlinux>well. it's loading a black screen
07:53<isuckatlinux>im using the nv driver now, if i replace nv by nvidia, i get the screen
07:53<isuckatlinux>the black screen
07:53<chealer>isuckatlinux: if X's log doesn't complain about the module, it's not the problem.
07:54<isuckatlinux>i get complains about the font but they are ww
07:54<isuckatlinux>ee saying that synaptics driver dont exist, but i get that one with the nv driver 2
07:55<chealer>isuckatlinux: nvidia-installer isn't supported here
07:55<isuckatlinux>what do u mean
07:56<chealer>isuckatlinux: you implied you used nvidia's installer. Debian doesn't distribute that, it distributes normal Debian packages.
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07:57<isuckatlinux>yup, i used that cause the new nvidia driver works better with beryl
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07:57<isuckatlinux>i just want to know what the h could be, maybe a person here knows
07:57<isuckatlinux>cause it works after the install..... that doesnt make sense to me
07:57<chealer>isuckatlinux: the question isn't the nvidia driver, it's the way you install it.
07:58<lupine_85>isuckatlinux: did you remove the debian packages before using the installer?
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07:59<isuckatlinux>yes i did remove the nvidia driver i aptget before
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07:59<lupine_85>including nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx ?
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08:00<isuckatlinux>jmm, nope i didnt remove those
08:00<lupine_85>remove 'em, reinstall
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08:01<isuckatlinux>thanks man
08:01<mutulica>i have a problem and i need advice
08:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:01<mutulica>i can't acces from my isp connection
08:02<lupine_85>works here
08:02<mutulica>i know
08:02<mutulica>the packets are not getting further from
08:02<mutulica>i have traceroute results.
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08:03<lupine_85>a general intarweb brokenness problem then. contact about it?
08:03<mutulica>i think is a problom of net neutrality
08:03<mutulica>i'm from romania
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08:04<mutulica>i have internet connection from the largest adls supplayer. that should not happen
08:04<lupine_85>well, it is happening
08:04<lupine_85>it's not an plot to prevent people from contributing to debian, I'm sure
08:05<mutulica>my frien next door doesn't have the same problem (not the same isp)
08:05<lupine_85>yeah. it's an isp/peering issue
08:05<mutulica>i am righting to my isp about it, but i wanted some other advices
08:06<mutulica>that is
08:06<lupine_85>writing :). and about all you could do is try to access it through a proxy with different peering arrangements
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08:07<chealer>mutulica: please publish traceroute
08:07<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
08:08<chealer>mutulica: only a link here
08:11<chealer>mutulica: hooty reported a similar problem 2 days ago.
08:12<chealer>12 ( 121.692 ms 120.789 ms 112.001 ms 13 ( 110.004 ms 104.761 ms 103.935 ms 14 ( 96.831 ms 100.414 ms 97.755 ms 15 ( 94.595 ms 93.632 ms 104.134 ms
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08:13<chealer>[lun sep 3 2007] [23:14:03] <hooty> why would the last two hops be the same?
08:13<chealer>[lun sep 3 2007] [23:45:16] <hooty> and all of a sudden it works again, very odd
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08:13<lupine_85>it's a loop in
08:13<lupine_85>i.e. they've screwed up the routing
08:13<lupine_85>It's more interesting that they send it to the US, then to nk
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08:14<mutulica>i sent an email with my problem to my isp..
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08:15<lupine_85>hmm. Alioth is NL...
08:15<mutulica>i will wait to see what they have to say about it
08:16<sasha>hi, i m trying to install a debian on my new laptop , a samsung X22, but it always failed at the step "Mont and detect cdrom" , i just tried with the boot option "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" and it passed successfully could someone explain me why ?
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08:18<lupine_85>ladoga: it made the installer load up various generic IDE drivers. presumably one could handle your CDROM drive
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08:18<sasha>ok thanks
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08:19<creeed>did somebody install succeful the 3d-desktop under etch on an amd64-machine and can use it?
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08:20<azeem>creeed: what is 3d-desktop?
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08:21<creeed>hmm i mean xgl or aiflx
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08:22<azeem>creeed: grep AIGLX /var/log/X*log
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08:22<azeem>should be on
08:22<shawn_>can someone help me?
08:22<shawn_>i had a winxp entry in my menu.lst(grub) and after rebuilding the kernel it has disappeared
08:23<shawn_>i know which prtition its on
08:23<shawn_>but i dont know whow ot reenter the entry manually
08:23<shawn_>i mean
08:23<shawn_>i dont know what to put exactly
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08:23<sasha>title Windows Vista/Longhorn (loader)
08:23<sasha>root (hd0,0)
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08:24<shawn_>i tihnk i had save default+1
08:24<shawn_>what did it mean?
08:24<jm_>you need chaniloader for XP
08:24<sasha>i don t know i just passed the one from my menu.lst
08:25<sasha>bt it is a vista boor loader in fact
08:25<jm_>info grub -> Booting -> OS-specific notes -> DOS/Windows
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08:26<shawn_>it seaem to be universal
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08:26<shawn_>im gonna try it
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08:27<isuckatlinux>that didnt work, again it worked after the install only, after i reboot
08:27<isuckatlinux>i got a black screen
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08:32<isuckatlinux>i installed nvidia driver from the installer, now i get a black screen , anyone knows how to fix whatever the installer does?
08:32<sasha>hi , does anybody get a ATI mobility radeon hd 2400 working under Debian ?
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08:34<chealer>isuckatlinux: nvidia-installer isn't supported here
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08:36<pw1>hi, i have a problem with encryption. who can help?
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08:36<chealer>pw1: ask your question
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08:54<pw1>chealer, i have encrypted partitions but lost the the table. since i know the exact cylinders i think i should be able to recover it, but i don't know how.
08:58<pw1>withal i have a problem making a usb stick bootable. after "grub-install --root-directory=/foo /dev/sda" i get "The file /foo/../stage1 not read correctly" although it is there.
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09:04<pw1>any ideas?
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09:06<sasha>does anybody know how lng it takes in average for an unsuported video card to be recognized under linux
09:07<pw1>always the same .. no answer
09:08<totoche>pw1 have you another hard disk in sata on the computer where you test your usb key ?
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09:08<pw1>i just have another ide, nothing else
09:09<totoche>ok sorry no more idea
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09:11<pw1>i just partitionized the stick but no change. in the grub shell i get "filesystem type unknown" / "cannot mount selected partition"
09:11<benley>sasha: depends on how unsupported it is
09:12<benley>sasha: if it's a new variant of something for which drivers exist, not long
09:12<benley>sasha: if it's something totally new and unrelated to stuff that has any drivers, it could be a while.
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09:17<Inv_>hi.. is there any way to recover data from a : mke2fs -L stuff /dev/hdc ?
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09:17<pw>what does "The file /foo/../stage1 not read correctly" mean?
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09:22<pw>is there any chan for my problem?
09:23<Tim>I remember seeing a tool which can store/restore permissions of files. Sort of backup-tool for permission settings. Usefull after mistaken chown -R ... Anybody knows this?
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09:24<artem12345>so one help me start bittorrent
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09:28<JasonS>artem12345: well you didnt really ask anything
09:28<artem12345>cant start bittorrent
09:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 312] by debhelper
09:29<artem12345>tell me to pick a meta file
09:29<JasonS>and you've read its manual of course?
09:29<artem12345>where is it?
09:29<artem12345>tried doing what it said
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09:33<artem12345>about my question?
09:33<witte>artem12345: which question?
09:33<artem12345>why did you send me that link?
09:33<witte>artem12345: which program, what did you do, which errors
09:34<artem12345>i have gnome bit torrent
09:34<witte>artem12345: In the hope that after reading it, you will tell us your problem not some random statements
09:34<artem12345>instaled on my debian
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09:35<artem12345>when i start it, its tells me to select a meta file, where do i find it?
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09:35<JasonS>artem12345: you have of course also dl'd a .torrent file to get?
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09:37<pw>you won't help me?
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09:53<Fill>Hey, I heard something about delete /tmp files
09:53<pw>is there no one with experiance concerning encryption?
09:53<Fill>so I deleted all files that were included in /tmp folder
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09:53<Fill>and now I am unable to get in my debian system, it says it is unable to write on my directory or there is no space to start gdm
09:54<Fill>I need help ... URGENT please!
09:54<azeem>Fill: did you delete /tmp as well?
09:54<Fill>I only deleted the files that were in /tmp folder
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09:54<Fill>including something about gconf :(
09:55<azeem>Fill: can you login on the console?
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09:55<Fill>I can login as root on the single mode, from GRUB
09:55<azeem>so you're saying a reboot didn't fix the issue?
09:55<Fill>yeah, it didn't fix
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09:56<azeem>then you probably deleted stuff besides /tmp
09:56<Fill>it keeps saying that GDM couldn't write on my authorization file
09:56<chealer>LANG=C apt-get source synaptic; is failing with "E: Unable to find a source package for synaptic". is there an equivalent of apt-cache policy for source packages?
09:56<azeem>Fill: could also mean the partition is full
09:56<Fill>I deleted some folders that were inside /tmp
09:56<RandomJohn>hi, I try to purge a manualy installed nvidia driver... can anyone help me out with exact syntax?
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09:56<Fill>azeem: so what should i do
09:56<Fill>I can't format :/
09:56<chealer>RandomJohn: what do you mean by manually installed?
09:56<azeem>Fill: check whether the parition is full
09:56<Fill>but how? by the console?
09:57<pw>another try: is it possible to mount an encrypted partition by cylinder address?
09:57<azeem>Fill: df
09:57<Fill>which command
09:57<azeem>I just said
09:57<RandomJohn>i did an: sh
09:57<RandomJohn>which is the nvidia-installer proprietery
09:57<chealer>RandomJohn: nvidia-installer isn't supported here. ask #nvidia
09:57<klando>RandomJohn, try --help
09:57<Fill>a moment
09:58<lupine_85>restartinh gdm should fix it
09:58<azeem>he *rebooted*
09:58<Fill>you're right azeem
09:58<RandomJohn>so, with apt-get i can just remove packages installed with apt or aptitude?
09:58<azeem>Fill: run "apt-get clean"
09:58<lupine_85>heh. so he did. stfme for coming in to the middle of a conversation
09:58<chealer>RandomJohn: or dpkg, yes
09:58<RandomJohn>k, thx
09:58<azeem>Fill: and check whether you got some space left now
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09:59<Fill>I'll try
09:59<Fill>thanks man
09:59<Fill>70% of use now
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09:59<azeem>also check whether you got some very big files in /var/log maybe
09:59<Fill>Thanks MAN!!!!
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10:00<Fill>I'm going to try to boot it now
10:00<azeem>Fill: rebooting into multiuser should work again now
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10:00<RandomJohn>chealer: oh, one thing. when i ctrl+alt+f2 my xserver, how can i stop wdm from console?
10:00<Fill>that's what i'm going to try
10:00<Fill>thanks, thanks
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10:08<Fill>it's fine now
10:08<Fill>Thank you!!!
10:09<Fill>I'm very gratefull
10:09<Fill>thanks a lot for the help man!
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10:10<chealer>why would apt-get source synaptic; fail with "E: Unable to find a source package for synaptic", on a lenny/sid mix with an up-to-date packages index and a testing main source APT source?
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10:10<azeem>chealer: what does apt-cache showsrc synaptic say?
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10:13<chealer>azeem: sorry for the delay,
10:13<azeem>no idea then, maybe you have weird pinning
10:15<chealer>I don't have any preferences
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10:17<chealer>$ apt-get source apt; works
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10:23<chealer>is $ apt-get source synaptic; working for anyone on lenny/sid?
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10:24<yang>Why doesn't kernel-686 work with old PATA drives ? it doesn't boot up and ends into kernel to bypass that?
10:24<sutula>chealer: Works for me on sid
10:24<chealer>yang: what do you mean by "old PATA drives"? just PATA drives or what?
10:24<chealer>sutula: thanks
10:24<sutula>chealer: I could e-mail it to you :)
10:25<chealer>sutula: thanks anyway, I can hack my way, I just don't see this problem reported.
10:25<witte>chealer: it doenst on lenny here
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10:26<chealer>witte: thanks
10:26<yang>chealer: the old drives which arent SATA yet, IDE drives (I think they are PATA?)
10:26<chealer>witte: do you have a lenny/sid mix?
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10:27<chealer>yang: yeah, that's just "PATA drives".
10:27<witte>chealer: no, i have purely lenny
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10:27<chealer>yang: the 686 should work with those, in general.
10:27<chealer>witte: thanks again
10:27<yang>chealer: somehow kernel-686 wants to see IDE drives as SCSI drives, strange -486 boots for me well
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10:29<gsimmons>chealer: Works for me with a (sporadically updated) lenny over here. apt 0.7.3 is currently installed.
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10:31<witte>chealer: my apt verison is 0.7.6
10:32<chealer>gsimmons: ah. do you have synaptic 0.60+b1 installed?
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10:32<gsimmons>chealer: No, it's not installed.
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10:35<chealer>gsimmons: what if you update just your packages index?
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10:38<gsimmons>chealer: Doesn't affect it in any way. 'apt-cache policy synaptic' displays 0.60+b1 in the version table, retrieving the source with apt-get continues to work.
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10:39<softwork>hi, i have a problem in debian testing, no sound it my pinnacle 100i
10:39<chealer>ah, I think I found why
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10:40<chealer>gsimmons: thanks
10:40<gsimmons>chealer: np
10:40<chealer>no, I didn't
10:41<softwork>i have my 100i on in line-in but no sound in debian testing, in debian stable works...
10:41<softwork>in kdetv and tvtime dont work, no sound..
10:41<softwork>please help
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10:44<chealer>softwork: the channel isn't mute in, say, kmix?
10:44<softwork>is unmute
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10:45<softwork>in debian 4.0r1 works, in testing dont work
10:46<yang>chealer: Do I need to compile my own kernel if I want to use PATA drive with core2duo processor?
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10:50<chealer>yang: no, modulo a bug
10:51<chealer>I have the same apt-get source problem with amarok
10:51<chealer>I'd think it's a binNMU problem but I don't understand why gsimmons wouldn't see it.
10:52<chealer>gsimmons: do you mind trying with apt 0.7.6, just in case?
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10:52<gsimmons>chealer: Sure, I'll do an upgrade now.
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10:59<gsimmons>chealer: It's continuing to work with apt 0.7.6.
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11:00<chealer>gsimmons: thanks. I suppose the difference is more likely the sources.list; could you send me yours?
11:01<gsimmons>chealer: No trouble.
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11:05<yang>chealer: I just tried booting with 2.6.21-2-686 maybe previous kernels would support PATA drives?
11:05<chealer>gsimmons: thanks. still doesn't work :?
11:06<chealer>gsimmons: do you have any pinning?
11:06<chealer>yang: all Linux versions should support PATA drives.
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11:06<yang>chealer: why does it want to see them as scsi then?
11:07<gsimmons>chealer: Don't you mean "still doesn't doesn't work?" :) I've no pinning currently configured.
11:07<chealer>yang: there's something new since Linux 2.6.20 that allows it to consider PATA drives as SCSI, but I don't really know about it.
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11:08<chealer>gsimmons: hum, I don't understand. OK
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11:09<yang>chealer: uh, but I am out of luck finding a pre 2.6.20 debian kernel right?
11:10<chealer>yang: Linux 2.6.18 is in Debian stable
11:10<chealer>hum, moving my apt.conf out worked
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11:12<chealer>culprit: APT::Default-Release "testing";
11:12<yang>chealer: will I break anything if I use linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 from etch on lenny?
11:13<chealer>gsimmons, witte, sutula: thanks for your assistance
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11:14<chealer>yang: shouldn't break more than using linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 on etch
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11:15<witte>chealer: I have the same in my apt.conf... so that could be the reason
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11:16<yang>chealer: Is there a need for me to use -bigmem if I have 2Gb ram?
11:16<yujin>which file has the same function as autoexe.bat in doc,please?
11:16[~]sutula isn't sure he helped chealer very much, but np
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11:21<chealer>yang: no. bigmem is for > 4 GB
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11:22<chealer>witte: OK
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11:24<jeremiah> Please consult groff_man(7)
11:24<jeremiah>Does that mean - do man 7 groff?
11:25<Eulex>no, man 7 groff_man
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11:26<jeremiah>No manual entry for groff_man in section 7
11:26<gsimmons>jeremiah: You'll need to install the 'groff' package.
11:27<jeremiah>Sheesh. Sometimes I am thick. Thanks gsimmons.
11:27<jeremiah>Is the a groff document set I ought to install as well?
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11:29<sutula>jeremiah: There's a search page that's pretty useful for this kind of stuff, to find specific files and what packages they're in:
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11:30<yujin>which file could be configured to auto execute a command,please?
11:30[~]sutula guesses jeremiah wants to search for groff_man in the bottom section of that big page
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11:31<jeremiah>Thank sutula, I am trying to fix a lintian warning - libxml-xpathengine: manpage-section-mismatch usr/share/man/man3/XML::XPathEngine.3pm.gz:132 3pm != 3
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11:31<jeremiah>And it says to see groff
11:32<jeremiah>But the thing is, the package is a perl package, which contains pod, which usually automagically gets turned into the right man page.
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11:35<maxdoubt>when i'm trying to copy a file via postinst in a debian package... where would i put that file in the source directory, and what would be the path that i'm copying the file from?
11:35<sutula>jeremiah: You might get more help in #debian-mentors, if it's a package development issue, or maybe #debian-dev
11:37<jeremiah>sutula: I actually am a member of the debian-perl team. :/
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11:37<jeremiah>This is just a lintian error I have not run into before.
11:38<jeremiah>(and no one is around on #debian-perl)
11:38<sutula>jeremiah: Sorry...don't know your background, just trying to make suggestions
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11:38<jeremiah>You're right though - mentors is a good place to try!
11:38<jeremiah>I didn't mean to sound like I was reproaching any one, just that I should know the answer to this but I don't
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11:40<shawn_>How do i delete a module?
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11:40<shawn_>in a way like it neer existed ony my computer
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11:43<shawn_>How do i delete a module?
11:43<shawn_>in a way like it neer existed ony my computer
11:43<hazard2>what kind of module?
11:43<shawn_>a wifi card module
11:43<hazard2>and why are you repeating yourself?
11:43<Overfiend>hazard2: he asked twice, don't reward that :)
11:43<shawn_>cause no one is answering me:)
11:43<hazard2>well, since I don't really know, I couldn't anyways
11:44<hazard2>but I was just going to pose the question, why bother? blacklist/disable it instead.
11:44<shawn_>thx for the answer
11:44<shawn_>at least you reply to me:)
11:44<witte>shawn_: as long as you are not paying anyone, we do not have to answer
11:44<shawn_>in fact i installed the mpduel and changed some things with iwpriv
11:44<shawn_>thats a good point
11:44<witte>shawn_: if we know an answer we will answer...
11:45<hazard2>you also didn't wait too long (as far as I can tell)
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11:45<shawn_>ok sorry for that then
11:45<shawn_>i apologize
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11:49<pw>i started debian netinstall from usb. it complains, no cd-rom drive was found (it's defect). how to avoid this?
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11:49<lamvak>hello everyone!
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11:52<lamvak>could anyone predict how long should it take to upgrade the repo fglrx after amd shall fix ati's driver?
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11:53<yang>chealer: still around?
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11:55<lamvak>am i mute or smth?;p
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12:00<yujin>Unable to mount the selected volume.
12:00<yujin>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
12:00<yujin>process 7942: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
12:00<yujin>error: device /dev/sda6 is not removable
12:00<yujin>error: could not execute pmount
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12:01<yujin>who can help me with the error "Unable to mount the selected volume."
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12:02<pw>yujin which command?
12:02<yujin>a window partion could not be accessed?
12:02<Eulex>how are you trying to mount it?
12:03<yujin>with the Gnome window
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12:04<teste_tux>Hi everyone
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12:04<teste_tux>people someone knows how to declare a keyboard button on a shell script? thanks for the attetion.
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12:06<Eulex>yujin, dunno, but you could use fstab to mount it.
12:06<teste_tux>No one? people someone knows how to declare a keyboard button on a shell script?
12:06<Eulex>teste_tux, 'declare a keyboard button'?
12:07<the-dude>teste_tux, xbindkeys
12:07<Eulex>teste_tux, and what do you meann?
12:07<teste_tux>here I need to use ctrl +c with another aplication to append the clipboard history
12:08<teste_tux>the name is xclip and directs the clipboard to a file
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12:10<Eulex>teste_tux, you want to bind it to a keyboard shortcut? use xbindkeys then as suggested by the-dude, or if you use gnome, kde or xfce you may use the builtin support in those to bind keys to commands.
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12:12<teste_tux>I'm having a look in the xbindsrc file in home user and I'm a quite lost
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12:13<Eulex>teste_tux, there is a graphic configuration utility for xbindkeys.
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12:14<Eulex>yujin, please ask questions in the main channel, please.
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12:15<teste_tux>I didn't see a graphical interface for it happen nothing
12:16<Eulex>teste_tux, *hint* maybe the name of the binary of the graphical interface isn't xbindkeys? *hint*
12:16<yujin>in nautilus when i right click an icon of a vfat partion and then "Mount volume", an error of "Unable to mount the selected volume" occur. how to fix it,please?
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12:20<teste_tux>I didn't understand what would be ? I have understand the file is something like action and down I set the keys
12:21<teste_tux>I will make that now
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12:23<Eulex>teste_tux, hmm, indeed, I cannot find the graphical configuration utility of xbindkeys anymore. I'm sure that there once was one, though.
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12:24<teste_tux>Thank you very much Eulex I will restart to see if the insert of the line have work s
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12:25<teste_tux>Just this program I think that works fine
12:25<teste_tux>see ya
12:25<teste_tux>Good bye for all
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12:25<johnsie>hi, is it right for my internal hard drive partitions to be listed as sda?
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12:35<monra>I have inserted a cd and then coundl;'t run it form My computer, i go mount and i get this: mount: No medium found, but I'm sure that the cd is in /dev/hdc
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12:43<the-dude>did you try a other cd ?
12:43<yujin>which file could be configured to auto execute a command after login,please?
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12:44<monra>hm? I removed the cd and inserted it in the dvd drive and then was fine but sure it wasn't a dvd... don't know
12:44<monra>Now I cannot eject it, anyway thanks, I solved my problem. maybe i shoul dbe more careful before asking
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12:58<thctlo>hi everybody, i have a big problem, my raid 1 device ( 1 of 3 ) died, it was an lvm with a xen guest on it. the host is still working ok.
12:58<thctlo>now i want to reuse the disk but im unable to access them
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12:59<Myon>define "died"
12:59<thctlo>i now get these messages : /dev/dm-2: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error
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12:59<thctlo>when i use vgs
13:00<Myon>that sounds like the disk is bad
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13:00<thctlo>or lvs
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13:00<thctlo>the disk are active on the raid controller again and disk status is ok
13:00<thctlo>i recreated the raid 1 unit on my 3ware controller
13:00<Myon>I'd make a backup and try running badblocks
13:00<thctlo>and.. i cant reboot the server :-(
13:01<thctlo>bad blocks are already checked, is ok.
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13:01<thctlo>im not intrested in the data on it, i just need them to be accessable agian.
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13:03<thctlo>i found this message in syslog: sd 0:0:1:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
13:03<sasha>hi , i ve a really stable debian with a 2.6.22 kernel but each time i do a apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade , it does try to install a kernel (2.6.21) ans then i have some problems with some others cnfigure , how can i tel not to try to update my kernels anymore
13:03<Myon>did you run badblocks on the raw devices?
13:04<Myon>sasha: remove the Debian kernel packages
13:04<thctlo>no, just the check with the 3ware tools
13:04<the-dude>sasha, install a kernel instead of the meta package
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13:04<sasha>ok bur if i ll do a apt-get dist-upgrade , he will try to install it again no ?
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13:04<Myon>sasha: no
13:04<Myon>unless something depends on that
13:05<sasha>ok thanks a lot
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13:05<thctlo>Myon, can i do a badblock scan from within debian
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13:12<sasha>hi , another qestion :) , i have all my debian in testing , but i would like to install only one package (snort) whom all the librairies satisfy in testing , i would like to know , how will it be upgrade in the future ?
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13:13<sasha>i mean snort in unstable
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13:14<sasha>i mean witj this line , how will be snort upgraded in the future
13:14<sasha>apt-get install -t testing snort/unstable snort-common/unstable snort-rules-default/unstable
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13:14<lamvak>bye then!
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13:15<thctlo>sasha, first if you want testing to be default, create file apt.conf and put here: APT::Default-Release "stable";
13:15<thctlo>change stable to testing
13:15<thctlo>then you dont need the -t testing
13:15<thctlo>if you want unstable package now it's just apt-get install -t unstable snort
13:16<sasha>no , everytinh is ok , i jus want to know , if snort become for exemple 2.8 in stable , it will be upgraded ?
13:16<sasha>in unstable i mean sorry
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13:17<sasha>actually it is 2.7 in unstable but i can install cause all the dependencies met in testing , but if it become 2.8 and that the dependencies in testing are not good what will happen ?
13:17<Tjerk>Hello, Well i'm searching for a SabNZB debian download, Can someone here tell me were I can find the download?
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13:18<thctlo>sash, then it wil complain you dont met the dependencies, you have to apt-get install -t unstable thatpackage then.
13:18<thctlo>sash, and then it wil upgrade to 2.8
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13:19<thctlo>wel.. this is how it goes on my server :-(
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13:19<sasha>ok thanks
13:19<thctlo>and ofcourse you can pin a package to hold so it wont be upgraded.
13:20<Tjerk>Nobody here knows SabNZB for Debian?
13:20<sasha>yes , as it is only available since some weeks (before only 2.3) i managed it with checkinstall
13:20<thctlo>or check here. :
13:20<thctlo>=> Installing SABnzbd on Debian ;-)
13:21<thctlo>2 sec on google
13:21<Tjerk>Yes before i came here i've seen that, but is Python also Sabnzbd :P?
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13:22<thctlo>ah you want the package Sabnzbd
13:22<thctlo>1 sec.
13:22<Tjerk>Yes I need the package Sabnzbd!
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13:23<thctlo>Tjerk: read this :
13:24<thctlo>definitly works on debian.
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13:27<Tjerk>Thanks I will try it (Y)
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13:30<Tjerk>Next question :) How can I use a sh file?
13:30<Tjerk>rm -r ?
13:30<Eulex>make it executable and run it
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13:31<Eulex>Tjerk, sure, if you'd like to delete it
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13:31<Tjerk>hehe sorry :)
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13:34<thctlo>Tjerk chmod +x shfile the ./shfile ;-)
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13:35<enkrypt>when I add a personal cron job (regular user, not root) where is this information saved?
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13:37<enkrypt>cd /etc/
13:38<jeremiah>I can't seem to fix a lintian error which requires me to add a line to debian/rules
13:39<jeremiah>lintian -i -I telss me:
13:39<jeremiah>They can be suppressed by adding the following to debian/rules:
13:39<jeremiah>find debian/tmp -type f -name .packlist | xargs rm -f
13:39<jeremiah>Where does the line above get placed in the rules file?
13:40<enkrypt>anyone have any idea where crontab data for regular users is stored? I cant seem to find it anywhere on my disk
13:40<thctlo>enkrypt: /var/spool/cron/crontab
13:40<thctlo>if u used crontab -e
13:40<enkrypt>indeed that is what I us
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13:41<thctlo>then check /var/spool/cron/crontab/yourfile ;-)
13:41<enkrypt>thctlo: yep I found it, was looking on the wrong partition :-) thanks!
13:41<sasha>hi , how can i allow a user to have total access to a directory , and all the subdirectories and files in it with chmod
13:42<thctlo>chmod -R 700 /dir
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13:42<thctlo>the quik and dirty ..
13:43<sasha>that why i do , do i have to do something with nautilus to refresh it ?
13:45<Eulex>sasha, is the directory and the files owned by the user?
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13:47<Tjerk>Well a SABnzb isn't ready for debian, Is there a similar leecher for debian (NZB)? with a webinterface-panel option?
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13:49<yujin>what is the meaning of tty,please
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13:49<zulu>arch command line utility is not available on debian?
13:49<zulu>can't find a package containing it
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13:50<Tjerk>debian-server:~# ./
13:50<Tjerk>./ line 2: gksudo: command not found
13:50<Eulex>zulu, util-linux
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13:51<zulu>@work on redhat & solaris it is available
13:51<thctlo>Tjerk, apt-get install gksudo .. -0
13:51<zulu>ok thx
13:51<Eulex>Tjerk, install gksudo.
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13:51<anarchy>hallo leute :)
13:51<thctlo>gutten tag anarchy
13:51<thctlo>wie gets?
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13:52<anarchy>ganz gut und selber?
13:52<zulu>Eulex no arch in util-linux on unstable :(
13:52<dpkg>de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
13:52<ifvoid>zulu: uh yes
13:52<thctlo>auch gut ;-), but i need to talk english her..
13:52<ifvoid>util-linux: bin/arch
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13:52<Tjerk>Is there also a Dutch channel :P?
13:52<thctlo>ja hier ;-)
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13:53<Tjerk>lol :D
13:53<Eulex>zulu, indeed
13:53<zulu>I have 2.13 version of the package and I swear, /var/lib/dpkg/info/util-linux.list does not list /bin/arch
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13:54<ifvoid>zulu: oh, maybe it's moved than
13:54<zulu>gush, all my makefile are based on it :(
13:54<ifvoid>I've got 2.12 here
13:54<ifvoid>zulu: let me check
13:54<zulu>they simply decided posix is bulshit? :)
13:55<thctlo>zulu, its in testing
13:55<ifvoid>it's probably moves to another package
13:55<Eulex>zulu, seems like upstream removed it.
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13:55<thctlo>its not in unstable anymore
13:55<thctlo>or.. not jet ..
13:55<zulu>I ran apt-file update && apt-file search /bin/arch does not return interesting other package...
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13:55<thctlo>and zulu.. here..
13:55<Eulex>the changelog says: " * arch is dealt with upstream now."
13:56<Eulex>thctlo, 'suite=lenny'
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13:56<thctlo>yes, testing.. ;-) you can rebuid it.
13:56<thctlo>if needed..
13:57<thctlo>apt-get source .... -b ;-)
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13:57<euthymos>I've scheduled a MySQL dump every night, at 4:05
13:57<euthymos>I would like to know
13:57<euthymos>knowing that all tables are InnoDB
13:58<zulu>@home I'm unstable, @work I'm stable, I wish I could continue to work @home, but it is really, really not possible :)
13:58<euthymos>if an user tries to read from a table line which is being dumped
13:58<ifvoid>zulu: people are telling me you should use unmae -m instead
13:58<euthymos>MySQL fires an error.... or waits until dump is done before satifying the user
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13:59<Eulex>zulu, according to the changelog, *upstream* removed the arch utility. should debian re-add it or what?
13:59<euthymos>nobody knows?
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14:00<zulu>Eulex what is upstream? Bush? Bill Gates?
14:00<Eulex>zulu, the creators of the software.
14:00<zulu>huh ok :)
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14:00<Eulex>euthymos, ask in a mysql-specific channel?
14:01<euthymos>would be better
14:01<euthymos>#mysql ?
14:01<euthymos>nobody there
14:01<Eulex>check on freenode.
14:01<euthymos>I see
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14:03<sasha> if an user tries to read from a table line which is being dumped ?? how do you access you data ?
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14:04<the_bull>hello all
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14:04<the_bull>i hv been using Azureus
14:04<the_bull>but, there in Azureus, the download speed is very very low
14:04<the_bull>whereis, normal download is ok
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14:06<the_bull>why the speed of Azureus is low?
14:06<the_bull>do nyone knows about it?
14:07<simonrvn>because it's a pos ?
14:07<JasonS>isp throttling?
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14:19<noobby>hello, I've finished installing debian, everything works fine, can i install windows xp in an empty partition and after it installed reinstall grub from the installation program in the livecd without touching nothing else?
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14:22<simonrvn>noobby: hate to tell you but i think the recommended practice is to do winblows first then debian. but i suppose you could try that, seems reasonable
14:22<noobby>thanks simonrvn, i think i will take the risk
14:23<simonrvn>gl dude
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14:31<billy5>hello there! is there a way to speed up booting?
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14:32<praktikant>i have a problem mounting with cifs, i get permission denied. when i mount with smbfs it works fine, any ideas
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14:33<noobby>billy5: recompile your kernel?
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14:33<billy5>noobby: you mean deactivating some modules?
14:34<noobby>modules or not
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14:34<noobby>use menuconfig and see what you dont need
14:35<billy5>noobby: i could compile a monolithic kernel... is that much faster?
14:35<tcsetattr>does your kernel take a long time to get started, or is it just that you have too many daemons?
14:35<noobby>what kernel? =S
14:35<chealer>billy5: how long is it taking?
14:36<tcsetattr>most of the slow-booting machines I've seen have spent their time starting up daemons, sometimes because they're misconfigured
14:36<billy5>kernel: 2.6.18-5-amd64, it goes relatively fast until init
14:37<noobby>so in that case tcsetattr is right =P
14:38<noobby>with what profile did you install the system? desktop?
14:38<billy5>noobby: i don't know exactly
14:38<noobby>well, then you probably did
14:38<tcsetattr>pay attention to which messages come the slowest
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14:39<billy5>tcsetattr: there is this wonderful exim4...
14:39<sasha>hi i have segmentation fault while launching snort-mysql 2.7/unstable,any idea ?
14:39<stroyan>billy5: There is a summer-of-code project related to debian boot speed. See
14:40<noobby>sasha: probably bad packaging?
14:40<stroyan>billy5: The bootchart package looks like an interesting way to see what is slowing down booting.
14:40<sasha> probably bad packaging? , you mean from debian ?
14:41<sasha>it happens often ?
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14:41<billy5>stroyan: thx
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14:42<pumpkin0>sasha: in unstable everything is possible.
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14:42<pumpkin0>sasha: if you want a useable system: go testing. If it has to work go stable.
14:42<sasha>domage , i uninstalled the same version that worked well with checkinstall to go to an official one ,
14:43<pumpkin0>sasha: check the bts. Maybe somebody already solved that one.
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14:45<sasha>thanks for advice , but personnaly i find that this package is not often uptodate with deb so i ll continue with a checkinstall one
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14:48<maxdoubt>i'm trying to set my keymap from a normal user via loadkeys, is this possible in debian or was that identified as a security issue?
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14:50<billy5>another problem: it takes about 10 sec to get an ip address for a given hostname... iceweasel e.g. hangs on "Looking up <site>"... what could I try to solve that?
14:50<sasha>i know this is not a only debian related question but on my new laptop my hraphic card is not yet recognized neither by the free ati driver or the official one , in average , how many times does it take for a graphic card driver to be available
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14:52<stroyan>billy5: cat /etc/resolv.conf Is the content reasonable?
14:52<sonar0m>i am thinking about moving to Debian to install and use PersonalBackup and would like to know how many people are knowledgeable about it?
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14:53<billy5>stroyan: it shows: nameserver
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14:55<johnub>hi everybody
14:56<tcsetattr>maxdoubt, the ability to modify the console keymap has ben restricted to root recently, to avoid problems where a user may leave a terminal with malicious keybindings for the next user. it's a kernel restriction, nothing you can do about it in usersp
14:56<stroyan>billy5: Is the address of a DSL or cable modem?
14:57<johnub>new in chat
14:57<billy5>stroyan: it's the address of my router, yes
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14:58<stroyan>Some routers have trouble claiming to support dns but then getting confused by linux boxes that issue ipv6 dns requests.
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14:58<stroyan>billy5: This page describes disabling ipv6 on ubuntu to avoid such a problem-
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14:59<billy5>stroyan: hm... eth0 shows ipv6-info, that could be... it tried to change the "" to my primary dns-server... queries now go fast
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15:01<stroyan>billy5: The /etc/resolv.conf setting will likely go back to the router address whenever you enable networking using DHCP.
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15:02<sasha>stroyan : is accessible from where you are
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15:03<stroyan>sasha: I just run my own named inside my home.
15:03<billy5>stroyan: yes
15:04<sasha>cause , opendns offers a freely usable accesible dns
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15:04<sasha>but some isp block it
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15:06<sasha>another question (sorry but coming from unix/bsd systems) , how does cheinstall self installed package works with apt-get upgrade for the same package
15:06<stroyan>My isp is not blocking opendns.
15:06<sasha>so, then you can use the dns ip from ope n dns
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15:09<sasha>and cnfigure your resolv.conf with the dns from opendns , but take care that networkmanager loves to take the hand on self config , so personnaly i removed it
15:10<sasha>opendns ips :
15:11<yujin>i mount a vfat partion with mount -t vfat /mnt/mypartion and log in again, it is still mounted. which file recorded this,please?
15:12<klaes>i got a problem after updating using synaptic, after that, and a later reboot, i got stuck before gnome login came up... so, i got to the shell using alt+ctrl+f1 and i started to try and fix it and find the errors.... i found out i couldnt boot with startx even, it just kinda went in n came back out again, but not with a real error... so, i decided to try and reinstall gdm, no effect... install kdm... i could get to the login screen, b
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15:13<klaes>i have recently started using compiz fusion, its not running on kde, but on gnome and xfce
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15:14<klaes>i had it running for a week before this happened though
15:14<klaes>and, i get the following error whenever i try to start synaptic, xchat n some other programs and utilities :synaptic: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl
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15:16<stroyan>billy5: I set up my own DHCP and DNS server. But if you want to use that router as a DHCP server then you might want to override its dns advice.
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15:16<tcsetattr>hey, I saw that error somewhere else recently. g_once_init_enter_impl is supposed to be in libglib, I think
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15:16<tcsetattr>let's see ldd /usr/lib/;dpkg -S /usr/lib/
15:16<lupine_85>Rock on
15:17<klaes>comin up
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15:17<stroyan>billy5: Perhaps adding "prepend option domain-name-servers," to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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15:18<klaes>hmm, want the whole of that first thing?
15:18<klaes>its quite long...
15:19<tcsetattr>|grep libglib
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15:19<klaes> => /usr/local/lib/ (0xb7e53000)
15:19<tcsetattr>just the libglib line will be sufficient
15:19<tcsetattr>aha! see, your /usr/local has an outdated libglib.
15:20<sasha>klaes , how did you managed to install compiz uzion , are you in testing or unstable , is it from the tux repositor ?
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15:21<klaes>outdated? odd... so how can i update when it wont do it using apt-get update upgrade stuff?
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15:22<azeem>klaes: /usr/local stuff is favoured to the /usr stuff
15:22<klaes>ehm, i installed on unstable, but, using some thing i found online, just like adding some things to the /etc/apt/sources.list and a key n stuff
15:22<azeem>klaes: Debian packages don't put anything in /usr/local
15:22<tcsetattr>when a library in /usr/lib depends on a library in /usr/local/lib, it will break if you upgrade the Debian package providing the /usr/lib library and don't also recompile (a sufficiently new version of) the one in /usr/local
15:22<klaes>aaaah :)
15:22<klaes>that would explain smt
15:22<sasha> klaes , how did you managed to install compiz uzion , are you in testing or unstable , is it from the tux repositor ?
15:23<klaes>so how do i recompile smt for that?
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15:23<azeem>klaes: why do you have libglib in /usr/local in the first place?
15:23<tcsetattr>how did you install libglib into /usr/local/lib in the first place?
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15:23[~]tcsetattr stares at azeem
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15:23<tcsetattr>are you in my head?
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15:24<klaes>im in unstable, dunno if it was the tux, but i just searched for compiz fustoin install on google, lol
15:24<sasha>ok i see with one it s then :)
15:24<azeem>well, check "compiz fustoin uninstall" on google then
15:25<azeem>just that people usually don't think that far
15:25<sasha>when a install the compiz fuzion by the well spread method from gogle i had lot of trouble with update also
15:26<sasha>so i removed the repositor remake an apt-get upgrade
15:26<sasha>so it said that lot of package are not necessary , i removed and reinstall them
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15:29<klaes>ehm, maybe cuz i was trying to install libglib from something else first...
15:29<klaes>oh, that sounds interestin...
15:29<tcsetattr>whatever is in /usr/local is your responsibility. keep it updated or rm it.
15:29<klaes>mayb i should just try to uninstall it all...
15:29<klaes>kk, ill rm it then ^^
15:29<klaes>cuz i dont think i should need it anymore
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15:31<sasha>i have checkinstall 1.6.0 but don t want to install the 1.6.1, but with apt)get pgrade it upgrade it or can i stop this
15:31<valdyn>sasha: why would you stop this?
15:32<sasha>because here is a well know bug with chekinstall 1.6.1 and debian
15:32<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
15:32<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
15:32<sasha>does pinning work ever if i installed checkinstall through download -> dpkg -i checkinstall
15:33<azeem>hold will, at least
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15:33<valdyn>sasha: sure, does not matter how you installed the debian package
15:33<sasha>ok thanks
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15:35<tcsetattr>it's a shame apt-get doesn't provide a simple "hold" command. and to make it worse, it doesn't respect the holds set by aptitude either. the dpkg --set-selections thing is too hard to remember. so I do holds with "vi /var/lib/dpkg/status"
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15:37<sasha>and then how to see witch packages is under hold flag ? dpkg -p package ?
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15:39<tcsetattr>it's shown in dpkg -s, or dpkg -l
15:39<sasha>ok thanks
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15:41<billy5>stroyan: thx, the dhclient.conf solved the problem :)... when i've got a little bit more time i'll spend it on removing ipv6-support
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15:54<sasha>i would like to know if someody do already ave had the same problem : i compile the latest snort with source then i make checkinstall but it says there are errors , so i type make install then make ninstall and then checkinstall 1.6.0 runs well, strange no
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15:55<devphyl>hej, what is the standard destination of package installed by aptitude ?
15:56<lupine_85>prefix is usually /usr
15:56<devphyl>no, it's not /usr
15:56<lupine_85>dpkg -L <packagename> will tell you where the files ended up
15:56<dpkg>ii <packagename> will tell you where the files ended up 3.6-12.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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15:57<devphyl>lupine-85: thank you
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15:58<tcsetattr>stupid b0t injects its idiocy whenever you start a sentence with "dpkg -someoption", which is a pretty frequent thing on #debian
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15:59<azeem>I hate the cmd as well
15:59<azeem>but some find it very funny apparently
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16:00<chealer>dpkg: if you don't want to become rpm...
16:00<klaes>hey again... i just make a "sudo rm -rf /usr/local/lib/*" now it all works, and a lot faster, lol, thx for the help!
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16:02<DrBanzai>I'm looking for current information regarding the use of a Promise PATA Raid controller, with Linux. Can anybody here help me?
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16:14<kof>is somebody speak hungarian?
16:14<dpkg>it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
16:14<kof>ok thanx
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16:15<kof>there is nobody on :D
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16:17<kof>i try it in eng :D
16:18<kof>so i want to install kde3.5.7... can i add to the sources.list?
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16:22<lupine_85>kof: if KDE publish a Debian repository, there's nothing stopping you from using it
16:22<lupine_85>I assume you're using etch?
16:22<lupine_85>(lenny has 3.5.7 already :) )
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16:25<kof>but the kde in the Debian repository is 3.5.5 and i want to use the latest 3.5.7
16:26<kof>thats why i want to use the kde server
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16:29<lupine_85>kof: you should be fine to use the kde-supplied packages
16:29<lupine_85>but debian can't support them (fairly obviously :p)
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16:31<kof>ok, i get it
16:31<kof>thx for the help :P :)
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16:44<schrankage>are some wireless cards incapable of promiscuous mode
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16:55<haseo>anyone knows what happened to wine? winhq is not active as dpkg says
16:56<haseo>well i join winehq and i am mod there and alone
16:56<azeem>you mean #winehq?
16:56<azeem>that's something else
16:56<azeem>haseo: anyway, they're on freenode
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17:02<peter5>JasonBourne: please identify yourself
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17:03<JasonBourne>peter5, where ?
17:03<peter5>JasonBourne: I'm just curious about, you know, the Bourne identity
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17:05<JasonBourne>lol, but i don't know witch i'm....
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17:07<schrankage>i'm sam loserface
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17:08<JasonBourne>or david webb
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18:11<ths_>can someone help me, i have a problem to start my application eclipse
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18:12<ths_>the error:
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18:13<witte>ths_: you need to install a jave jre
18:13<witte>ths_: are you on etch?
18:13<ths_>witte, i have it install
18:13<witte>ths_: how?
18:13<ths_>yes on etch witte
18:13<ths_>apt-get install java-jre or something like this
18:13<witte>ths_: there is a sun-java5-jre
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18:13<xbc>ths_, hi how are you? :)
18:14<ths_>i'm really fine xbc and you?
18:14<xbc>me too :)
18:14<haseo>hello i am having problems compiling a program, it tells me to go back to Gcc 4.1.2 and i got gcc 4.2.1 how can i roll back ??
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18:14<xbc>ths_, do you want to use sun ava?
18:14<ths_>witte, that doesn't work the error: E: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate
18:14<xbc>ths_, do you want to use sun java?
18:15<ths_>xbc, to start eclipse
18:15<witte>ths_: you need to have non-free enabled in your sources.list
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18:16<ths_>ah okay
18:16<ths_>witte, thx
18:17<ths_>and then eclipse will work?
18:18<witte>ths_: I do not know, but the error was that it did not find java
18:18<ths_>xbc, what are you doing?
18:18<witte>ths_: it seems to me that the logical solution would be to install the jre :-)
18:18<ths_>witte, it works perfectly
18:19<witte>ths_: ah, it is always nice when a simple solution just works :-)
18:19<xbc>ths_, did you have java-gcj installed so far?
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18:19<ths_>xbc, what is java-gcj?
18:20<xbc>GPL java
18:20<ths_>xbc, why do you ask?
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18:21<haseo>witte, how do i roll back from a version to another ? :)
18:21<xbc>ths what does "java -version" say?
18:21<witte>haseo: remove gcc4.2 and install 4.1?
18:21<haseo>witte, heh :)
18:21<witte>haseo: what are you compiling if i may ask
18:22<ths_>java version 1.6.0
18:22<haseo>vmware workstation, witte
18:22<witte>is there no deb available
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18:23<xbc>ths_, ok i think thats sun java. I asked, because you can choose the default java program with "update-alternatives --config java". If you had gcj before i thoght you had to do this.
18:24<ths_>xbc, do you know something about eclipse and plugins?
18:25<xbc>ths_, unfortunatly not. I'm only scripting in kate :)
18:26<witte>ths_: apt-cache search eclipse returns quite some answers
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18:26<xbc>ths_, but i remember, tat you can download plugins from within eclipse?
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18:28<frank>yes, help -> software updates
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18:30<ths_>xbc, i search a php plugin for eclipse
18:31<xbc>ths_, don't know anything about php :(
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18:31<ths_>xbc, php is nice to program a website
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18:32<xbc>ths_, so far i never did something like that :)
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18:33<ths_>xbc, why?
18:33<frank>ths_: just type "eclipse php plugin" in google
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18:33<xbc>ths_, what a question? :) I don't know.
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18:35<frank>look out for a url for the update manager, pretty easy
18:35<ths_>xbc, what do you work?
18:36<xbc>ths_, you mean my job?
18:36<ths_>xbc, yes
18:36<xbc>ths_, some kind of confused student :)
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18:36<ths_>xbc, like me
18:37<diego>com quem tc?
18:37<xbc>ths_, :D
18:37<diego>de onde vc é?
18:37<ths_>xbc, where do you study?
18:37<diego>ñ entendo!!!
18:38<xbc>ths_, bonn
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18:38<ths_>ah you come from german
18:38|-|Ekipa kanalu #debian: Wszystkich: 277 |-| +op [2] |-| +voice [0] |-| normalnych [275]
18:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:38<ths_>xbc, i come from luxembourg
18:39<xbc>ths_, not that far :)
18:39<witte>wow what a latency for dpkg
18:39<ths_>xbc, yes
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18:39<ths_>xbc, what are you studying?
18:39<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:40<diego>ou desculpe!!!!
18:40<witte>you name it, we have it all ;-)
18:40<xbc>ths_, math am physiks
18:40<xbc>ths_, mean *and
18:40<ths_>xbc, okay
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18:48<n3x>i need help compilin my kernel ive followed the steps from the newbies how to but im afraid to restart it, since this is a dedicated box
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18:49<witte>newbe and dedicated box in one sentence ? :-)
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18:49<n3x>yah mean its currently got 2.6.18-4
18:49<n3x>i just downloaded linux-2.6_2.6.20.orig.tar.gz
18:49<lupine_85>money and experience don't always go together :)
18:49<lupine_85>n3x: can I ask why you feel the need to do your own kernel?
18:49<n3x>set the clock at 1000
18:50<witte>n3x and why do have 2.6.20, and not the latest?
18:50<n3x>because i tried the latest and my server never came back online
18:50<n3x>and i had to pay 75 dollars
18:50<n3x>for them to reformat it
18:50<n3x>im scared.... :x
18:50<lupine_85>you've got a crap host and no experience. Just keep .18
18:51<n3x>i need 1000 clock rate, not 250
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18:51<lupine_85>need, or want?
18:51<witte>n3x: and did you get the debian image? or that from
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18:51<n3x>i belive its a debian image
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18:51<lupine_85>n3x: what newbie guide did you follow?
18:51<n3x>lupine :) its needed
18:51<tcsetattr>if you're gonna compile a kernel, why wouldn't you use the newest one?
18:52<n3x>because i tried it
18:52<n3x>and fucked up
18:52<witte>where did you get it? because 2.6.20 is not in testing nor sid
18:52<witte>n3x that has nothing to do with the kernel ;-)
18:52<lupine_85>n3x: what you should do, really, is apt-get source the same kernel as you're using now, use make menuconfig to change /just that option/, then use build yourself a new kernel
18:53<lupine_85>none of these appear to be Debian-supplied documentation
18:53<lupine_85>funny, that
18:53<n3x>oh lupine
18:53<n3x>that will work ?
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18:53<lupine_85>your new kernel will be identical to your old one, except that one change
18:54<lupine_85>it's up to you to make sure that you don't mess up in other ways
18:54<n3x>mine is 2.6.18-4
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18:54<n3x>so apt-get source 2.6.18-4 ?
18:54<n3x>so apt-get install source 2.6.18-4 ?
18:54<lupine_85>linux-image-`uname -r`
18:56<lupine_85>although, I'm not familiar with the layout of that source package
18:56<n3x>apt-get source 2.6.18-4-686
18:56<n3x>Reading package lists... Done
18:56<n3x>Building dependency tree... Done
18:56<n3x>E: Unable to find a source package for 2.6.18-4-686
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18:56<xbc>which deb package contains aplay?
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18:56<witte>2.6.18-4 is not the latest etch kernel, there si 2.6.18-5 with some security patches
18:56<n3x>saorry guys
18:56<n3x>so witte will you direct to the wget ?
18:57<witte>n3x: apt-cache search linux-source
18:57<lupine_85>witte: technically, that's a binary package, amirite? ;)
18:58<n3x>apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18
18:58<witte>lupine_85: the source is a tar.bz2 package
18:58<lupine_85>mm, and you run make-kpkg inside that, to get the .deb files
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18:59<lupine_85>so the linux-2.6 'source' package is, presumably, a wrapper around that whole process?
18:59<witte>lupine_85: normally you untar it, copy your old .config, and run make menuconfig
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18:59<witte>afterwards you can make your kernel with make-kpkg
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19:00<n3x>is that all i type
19:00<n3x>is just make-kpkg
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19:00<witte>lupine_85: which do you mean, i do not find it in my package list
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19:00<lupine_85>n3x: here's an idea. pay a professional (not me!) $30 to do it for you, and give them ssh acces
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19:01<witte>n3x: no, go to /usr/src unzip the source file, make changes to the config (like the howto you
19:01<witte>gave) run make-kpkg and install teh deb
19:02<witte>but I really want to know why a newbe needs clock 1000
19:02<lupine_85>well, he obviously NEEDS it
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19:03<witte>lupine_85: it has to be, I would never recompile a kernel for just that
19:03<lupine_85>for, um... erm... well, it's a bigger number. That's good, right?
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19:03<lupine_85>AIUI, 1000Hz gives lower latency (good for desktops), whereas 250Hz was a server thing anyway
19:04<tcsetattr>in recent kernels there is a NOHZ option, which is like infinite Hz!
19:04<n3x>thank you sir :)
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19:04<lupine_85>n3x: so explain /why/ you're giving a desktop option to a server machine? I'm really curious
19:04<lupine_85>what is the specific application?
19:05<lupine_85>(regardless of the quality of advice you get, I sense another $75 charge coming n3x's way)
19:05<n3x>your kidding right ?
19:06<n3x>this is not a desktop
19:06<n3x>its a server
19:06<n3x>i need the clock rate at 1000
19:06<lupine_85>What For?
19:06<n3x>so i can tweat my gameservers
19:07<n3x>by i did make-kpkg --append-to-version=.070905 kernel image
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19:07<witte>n3x: did you change the settings using make menuconfig first?
19:07<lupine_85>well, good look with that. I can certainly see how a game server would refuse to run if your kernel didn't have that setting at 1,000Hz
19:08<lupine_85>I mean. without it, it'd run at 1/4 the speed
19:08<n3x>yes witte i did
19:09<witte>lupine_85: I hope you master the art of sarcasm ;-)
19:09<n3x>its not refusing to run
19:09<lupine_85>Me? Sarcastic? Perish the thoughty
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19:09<n3x>wittie is that the correct cmd to use to build the kernel ?
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19:10<witte>n3x: you need kernel_image iirc
19:10<witte>n3x: I do not recompile kernels a lot, i do not need to in general...
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19:11<lupine_85>n3x: does the game server have a windows version?
19:11<n3x>shut up
19:11<lupine_85>I'm asking politely
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19:12<n3x>but higher FPS
19:12<n3x>can only reach 500 on windows
19:12<lupine_85>You realise windows has a timer frequency of 100Hz?
19:12<lupine_85>good good. so what's the problem with 250Hz, again?
19:12<n3x>u have to run a certain program
19:12<n3x>to boost it
19:12<n3x>fps only hits 250
19:12<n3x>we need it to hit 1000
19:12<n3x>its how often the server updates
19:13<n3x>allows for BETTER REG of hits
19:13<n3x>PREM league games
19:13<n3x>buy these 1000 fps servers
19:13<tcsetattr>lupine_85, why don't you go badger the kernel mailing list to make HZ=100 the default and get rid of the option to configure it. if it's good enough for windoze, it's good enough for us?
19:13<lupine_85>tcsetattr: well, dynticks ftw, you know :)
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19:14<n3x>so lupine
19:15<n3x>would you mind helping me ?
19:15<n3x>i will pay you paypal ?
19:15<lupine_85>What part of "Not me" didn't you pick up on?
19:15<n3x>didnt read it sorry
19:16<lupine_85>I'll shut up now, anyway. obviously a 3ms reduction in kernel latency is completely noticable.
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19:17<tcsetattr>you *don't* think the gamers notice an extra 3ms in their ping time?
19:17<n3x>this isnt for pings
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19:24<xbc>[Not a Debian question :) ] i'm writing a script in which i want to check if certain programms f.e. espeak are instlled. I thougt about "type espeak; echo $?". Is there a better way?
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19:26<peterS>xbc: no need to echo, just _use_ $? in your logic. for example: if type espeak > /dev/null; then ....; else ....; fi
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19:26<peterS>I mean >& /dev/null of course, no need to spit out the error message if not found
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19:28<xbc>peterS, thanx :)
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19:29<tcsetattr>when did this "type" builtin show up? posh doesn't have it.
19:29<tcsetattr>if I was doing that test I'd use which(1)
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19:32<Braeniver>Buenas y Santas.
19:32<xbc>tcsetattr, don't know. it's a shell builtin
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19:33<xbc>tcsetattr, so shall i use which or type?
19:33<tcsetattr>type is probably OK. I'm just wondering how it snuck into so many shells without me noticing :)
19:33<tcsetattr>which(1) is stored in the "portable shell script" part of my brain from way back.
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19:36<xbc>i think i'll use which :)
19:36<tcsetattr>if you like.
19:36<tcsetattr>I think most tests of that nature usually hardcode the location. if [ -x /usr/sbin/named ]; ...
19:37<n3x>god damnit
19:37<n3x>it froze again
19:37<tcsetattr>writing your own loop over $PATH is hideous by comparison
19:37<n3x>nother fucking 75 dollars
19:38<n3x>god damnit why wont anyone help me do this
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19:38<tcsetattr>because nobody but you is crazy enough to want to attempt installing a new kernel remotely on a machine they've never seen
19:38<n3x>why is that harD ?
19:38<tcsetattr>do you at least have serial console access to the bootloader?
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19:40<tcsetattr>once I've done a kernel upgrade, I can be fairly confident in doing future upgrades on the same machine. but first time on any new machine I'm not gonna do it without console access
19:40<tcsetattr>it's jsut inviting disaster
19:40<n3x>so i need kvm switch ?
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19:41<witte>n3x: no, you need to know *why* your kernel does not boot, one way is looking at teh screen
19:41<lupine_85>any decent host provides a rescue console
19:41<witte>n3x: but you are not at the screen so you need something else, for example a serial console
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19:42<tcsetattr>serial console with a TCP console server is acceptable. or netconsole with a suitable receiving host on the same subnet
19:42<lupine_85>the others don't, and charge you $75 every time you break it
19:42<tcsetattr>serial is better because you can get your lilo prompt on serial. (And I assume grub too?)
19:42<lupine_85>yeah, grub works fine on serial
19:43<n3x>i will paysomeon
19:43<witte>tcsetattr: don't know, only used it on silo and palo :-)
19:43<lupine_85>(used to have a linux router box that worked like that)
19:43<n3x>to fix this for me
19:43<lupine_85>n3x: is full of talented individuals. Just don't forget to specify that if they screw it up, they pay the reimaging cost
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19:44<n3x>ill give them kvm
19:44<n3x>ill pay for it\
19:44<tcsetattr>given that there is already a working debian kernel, it _should_ be easy to make one that's almost identical but for one option. but I'm not confident enough to pledge my $75 :)
19:44<tcsetattr>that's not a job... that's a wager
19:45<lupine_85>it is, isn't it. Not one I'd take, either
19:45<n3x>ill have
19:45<n3x> KVM OVER IP
19:46<n3x>there will be no need for reimage
19:46<lupine_85>if you have real, proper kvm over IP, then just play with it 'till you get it right
19:46<lupine_85>if you get it wrong, you can just boot the old kernel
19:47<tcsetattr>what sort of client program do you need to connect to that kvm over IP?
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19:48<lupine_85>they're normally web-based activex/java things
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19:49<lupine_85>of course, if they're a cheapo setup, they'll try to fob you off with vnc
19:49<tcsetattr>VNC gonna show that grub prompt? :)
19:50<lupine_85>nope :D
19:50<lupine_85>software KVM is solid lose
19:50<lupine_85>hardware KVM is expensive, though
19:52<xbc>[ruby] what's the difference between "FileTest::exist?(path)" and "FileTest.exist?(path)" ?
19:52<lupine_85>xbc: AFAIK, there isn't one
19:53<xbc>lupine_85, so i can use both?
19:53<lupine_85>I think so, but keep in mind that my ruby experience is limited to a few mind-bogglingly painful experiences
19:53<lupine_85>It's a little-known secret that SkyNet was written in Ruby
19:54<xbc>lupine_85, :)
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19:54<xbc>*likes ruby a lot* :)
19:54<lupine_85>me too, but I'm scared of it
19:55<xbc>lupine_85, whyß
19:55<lupine_85>so I stick to C[++] & bash
19:55<lupine_85>it's /too/ flexible. It makes an experienced yogi look like a 2-by-4
19:56<lupine_85>I don't expect a class to have extra code after it's run itself
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19:57<xbc>lupine_85, i'm not a programmer, just a scripter, that's why i like it :)
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19:58<lupine_85>mm, it usurps most of what you could do in perl and bash, very efficiently too. But I think of trying to debug some of the ingenious things you can do in ruby, and... yeah.
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20:21<n3x>damnit what was i doing wrong
20:22<n3x>to make it not come back online
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20:25<Supaplex>compare configs
20:25<n3x>i used the same config
20:25<Supaplex>then how are you building it?
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20:26<n3x>make kpbg
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20:27<Supaplex>grub? lilo? details? exactly what invocation?
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20:33<lupine_85>initrd/initramfs would be my guess
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20:51<jiang>hello,how to join a open source project?I'm tired to search in
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20:51<n3x>ok my box is back up
20:52<n3x>nother 75 bucks waiasted
20:52|-|ameyer changed nick to Guest2796
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20:52<witte>jiang: write the current maintainer that you want to help
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20:56<jiang>witte: thanks! but I just wanna find a attractive project ,could you recommend someone?thank a lot
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20:57<witte>jiang: not really, I am not in one myself, and I do not know a lot about it
20:57<witte>If you want to help with debian, go to teh debian bug tracking system and try so solve some bugs
20:58<witte>I would also try to help on projects that are interesting to me (that i use myself) and which lack functionality
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21:00<jiang>witte, thanks! I got it.
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21:08<satan>hola buenas soy nuevo en este programa
21:08<satan> y nesecito si alguien me puede ayudar
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21:09<lavaramano>satan, yo te recomendaria que trates en #debian-es, #debian-ar o #debian-uy
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21:09<jiang>satan, where ru from? what language do you use?
21:09<lavaramano>satan, al menos ahi hablan en españpl
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21:10<satan> por la ayuda
21:11<satan>y como entro a debian ar
21:11<lavaramano>satan, con /join #canal entras
21:11<lavaramano>reemplaza #canal por el nombre del canal, obviamente.
21:11<lavaramano>satan, o con /j tambien
21:12<n3x>what is the proper way to update the kernel to use 1000 timer freq
21:12<lavaramano>satan, estas usando al xchat ?
21:13<lavaramano>si es asi, fijate que tenes una opcion en el menu superior que dice "ventana" ahi elegi "lista de canales" haces click en descargar lista
21:13<lavaramano>y asi quizas te resulte mas comodo
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21:13<lavaramano>no prob
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21:14<user_>alguna personita que me ayude soy nuevo en el linux
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21:15<user_>hola me puedes ayudar
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21:15<dpkg>i heard sv is a Perl "scalar value" in C <-> Perl glue code - also SV. Swedish's alpha-2 ISO 639 code. It is not subversion.
21:16<lupine_85>wha. no #debian-sv ?
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21:16<lupine_85>gah, that sucks
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21:27<n3x>can i pm you
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21:30<lupine_85>what on earth for?
21:32<n3x>to correctly compile this kernel
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21:34<lupine_85>I can't do it for you
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21:49<n3x>uname -a
21:49<n3x>Linux localhost 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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22:21<Aurora900>okay... so im a linux noob... i have an issue with apt-get...
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22:21<Aurora900>anyone around who can help me out?
22:22<Aurora900>dont all respond at once now...
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22:22<n3x>whats up auroa
22:22<n3x>ill try to help yu
22:23<n3x>whats apt-get doing wrong ?
22:23<Aurora900>when i do apt-get install it tells me to inset the disk
22:24<n3x>thats because your sources for it
22:24<n3x>are poting to you cd
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22:24<Aurora900>how do i change it?
22:24<n3x>vi /etc/apt/sources.list
22:24<Aurora900>i'd love to know how it expects me to put a cd into a server on the other side of the world from me... lol
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22:24<n3x>put a # comment in front of cd
22:24<n3x>oh i just bought a linux box 2
22:25<n3x>it cali
22:25<n3x>im having so many issues with it! omg
22:25<Aurora900>lucky... at least yours is in the US
22:25<n3x>how much you paying for yours ?
22:25<Aurora900>im working on a project for a chinese community for my friend
22:25<n3x>i got mine for 110 bucks and its BEAST
22:25<Aurora900>sortadi, its in china
22:25<Aurora900>damn that name script...
22:25<Aurora900>so its in china*
22:25<n3x>heh that sucks
22:25<sortadi>Aurora900, I'm not
22:26<Aurora900>its a dumb script i installed in irc a long time ago, cause i was too lazy to type names
22:26<n3x>so what type of project is it ?
22:26<n3x>any azn cuties ? :)
22:26|-|n3x kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
22:26<sortadi>that dumb script is called auto-completion
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22:27<Aurora900>its a video blog site
22:27<sortadi>2 lines is flood?
22:27<n3x>oh SEE
22:27<n3x>i bet there are asian cuties
22:27<Aurora900>heh, one can only hope
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22:27<n3x>there better bE!
22:27<n3x>what speed is that box on ? i hear there inet connection is unbelivable
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22:28<Aurora900>no idea, but my ping to it is about 600ms on average
22:28<Aurora900>so whatever connection it has means nothing to me
22:28<n3x>yah no shit
22:29<Aurora900>my client bought the server... i told them to ask me first, but no... why would they listen
22:29<Aurora900>so im just dealing with it
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22:31<Aurora900>heh, apparently theres 2 cdrom sources in here... one of them already has the #
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22:44<lupine_85>fascinating place
22:44<lupine_85>but not enough salsa
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22:53<Aurora900>so... now its telling me it cant find any packages that i know exist
22:55<lupine_85>did you add an appropriate 'net-based source?
22:55<tcsetattr>without the cdrom source, you need a good network source obviously
22:55<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
22:55<lupine_85>pick one that's local to you
22:56<Aurora900>well, local to ther server...
22:58<lupine_85>mm, that's the one :)
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22:58<lupine_85>my last non-local server had a 100mbit/sec direct link to my mirror. that was Nice
22:59<Aurora900>hmm... im gonna have to trace route my server to figure out where it is exactly
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23:09<gsimmons>Aurora900: You might be interested in 'netselect-apt'.
23:09<litage_>if /etc/default/bootlogd contains "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes" and /etc/init.d/bootlogd has this startup link config, why would /var/log/boot not be written to?: bootlogd S:S05 0:- 1:- 2:- 3:- 4:- 5:- 6:-
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23:21<Aurora900>ok... so, i found a mirror, edited the file, saved it, closed it...
23:21<Aurora900>now im getting this when i do apt-get update
23:21<Aurora900>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
23:22<tcsetattr>there must be another apt process running
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23:22<tcsetattr>fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
23:22<lupine_85>if another instance of dpkg or aptitude or something isn't running, it's safe to rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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23:22<Aurora900>what if an instance is running and it doesnt need to be cause its something that i messed up before?
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23:23<lupine_85>Aurora900: in that case, you stop the instance from running
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23:23<lupine_85>a gentle kill usually does the trick
23:23<Aurora900>how do i do that
23:23<lupine_85>kill <pid>
23:24<lupine_85>or if the process is still attached to a terminal, ctrl+c it
23:24<tcsetattr>fuser -mvik /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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23:25<lupine_85>tcsetattr: when I run that, it lists quite a few processes. including PID 1
23:26<Aurora900>heh, yeah, this is kinda annoying... but accomplishes what i need none the less
23:26<tcsetattr>oops, lose the -m
23:26<tcsetattr>fuser -vik /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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23:26<tcsetattr>-m was just a reflex
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23:27<lupine_85>hmm. 5.30am == bedtime
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23:27<Aurora900>only 12:30am here
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23:30<Aurora900>Err etch/updates Release.gpg ^[[C~
23:30<Aurora900>Could not resolve ''
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23:30<Aurora900>so what am i doing wrong now? heh
23:31<tcsetattr>not having a working nameserver?
23:31<Aurora900>ignore those random characters at the end of the first line there...
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23:32<n3x>ping that host
23:32<n3x>and use the ip instead
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23:33<dasaqui>hello, i have problems with the power off in my computer. I have a new computer but when i try to halt it, the computer says "will now halt", but the machine never power off
23:33<gsimmons>litage_: A similar bootlogd issue was reported in #423528.
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23:37[~]ameyer read that as bootlegd
23:37<dasaqui>thank you
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23:39<litage_>gsimmons: thanks. checking out the bug...
23:40<Aurora900>Err etch/updates/main Packages
23:40<Aurora900>404 Not Found
23:40<Aurora900>now i have that...
23:40<Aurora900>it prints a few lines like that
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23:48<test1>hello all
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23:53<test1>hello all new joined
23:53<tuxuser>salve sapresti dirmi come trovare composite??
23:53<test1>is there any one having enoght experienc with debian-amd64 ?
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23:54<test1>please write in english, i know nothing other than english :-(
23:56<test1>is there anyone alive !!!???
23:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:57<tcsetattr>you could have ignored him and he would have left without every asking his question
23:58<test1>thanks dpkg
23:58<dpkg>no worries, test1
23:58<test1>is there any one having enoght experienc with debian-amd64 ?
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23:58<test1>i have some trouble with compiling some strong-manufactured packages on it :-(
23:59<test1>for example i have an intel-536ep modem on my system, but
23:59<test1>i could not use it on amd64 , because its driver
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23:59<test1>is in semi-source code, and when i
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