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---Logopened Thu Sep 06 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<tcsetattr>a 64-bit processor and a cheap-ass winmodem, what a combo :)
00:00<test1>compile it on amd64 it gives me some error :-(
00:00<test1>oh it is a good and famouse modem !!
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00:02<test1>i have but i could compile it under debian-i386 on same computer !!
00:02<test1>amd64 in my speech means debian-etch-40-r1-amd64
00:03<test1>another package that i have some problem is mplayer
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00:03<test1>mplayer means:
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00:04<tcsetattr>we're familiar with mplayer
00:04<test1>when i compile it under the amd64 with disabling its ivtv driver it compiles with some warning but
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00:05<test1>in running time it produces some wizard manners !! :-(
00:05<tcsetattr>you claim to speak English? "wizard manners"?
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00:06<test1>another package is dvr:
00:06<test1>i got the dvr from ( the amd64 version )
00:07<krammer>anygood with kde?
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00:07<test1>but it crashes in some times and in some other times it tells that have insufficient resources in X configuration :(
00:08<test1>hi "dkpg", can you give me some help ?
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00:09<tcsetattr>you oughtta pick one problem and stick to it. I'm getting dizzy.
00:09<test1>excuse me: "wizard manner"-> "bizarre manner"
00:10<test1>tcsetattr, stick to that modem's problem.
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00:11<tcsetattr>I'm gonna have to excuse myself from the modem problem. The only good modem is an external modem
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00:12<test1>oh my god, the problems of usb external modem is more than internal modems in linux :-(
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00:14<tcsetattr>crap. I have to amend my modem motto. The only good modem plugs into a DB-9 or DB-25 port!
00:14<tcsetattr>ttyS0, man!
00:14<simonrvn>tcsetattr: for sure dude
00:15<tcsetattr>moving on, I do know a little bit about mplayer. I haven't used ivtv though
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00:16<test1>but the extrnal modems popular in forum are those connected by usb ports, unfortunately :-(
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00:17<test1>ok, moving to mplayer's problem
00:17<test1>i use from its' mencoder , but it produces for me some problematic mpeg files with the same options that
00:18<test1>it use under debian-i386
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00:18<test1>another difference is that in compile time it produces many gcc's warning
00:19<test1>is not there any ones present other that tcsetattr , joining into discussion ?
00:20<tcsetattr>apparently not.
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00:20<tcsetattr>I'm not surprised there are compiler warnings in 64-bit
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00:23<test1>but it prodecuse dangerouse warnings in amd64 !!
00:23<test1>such as type mismatch and pointer mismatchs
00:24<tcsetattr>you could try the mplayer package from
00:24<simonrvn>don't they have a mplayer 64b build?
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00:28<test1>oh i got the original stable mplayer from but
00:28<test1>it has no mencoder included :-(
00:28<tcsetattr>that doesn't sound right.
00:28<test1>i need mencoder too
00:29<test1>what do you mean, pls explain tcsetattr
00:30<tcsetattr>there's no reason for mencoder to be excluded, although there are codecs excluded from the debian mplayer
00:31<jm_>mencoder is packaged on d-m
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00:32<tcsetattr>maybe you're right. mencoder is missing. there's no reason for it, but sometimes people aren't reasonable
00:32<test1>hi jm_, what do you mean? pls, explain
00:32<test1>what is d-m ?
00:33<dpkg>from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
00:33<jm_>test1: ^^^^
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00:35<test1>have you tried for
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00:35<test1>inclusion of mencoder ?
00:35<gsimmons>test1: (re Intel 536EP) Modified revisions of Intel's 536EP driver - provided by - appears to compile cleanly on Etch i386 and amd64.
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00:36<test1>hi gsimmons, can you give me its exact link ?
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00:36<test1>i also tried their sources too,
00:37<test1>the last one that compiled and worken in the 2.6 kernels is:
00:37<jm_>no, I have only used 386 release of mencoder
00:37<test1>but only under the 32-bit cpu and kernels
00:38<gsimmons>test1: That's the one. It didn't compile for you on amd64?
00:38<test1>jm_ , can you get the mplayer version of
00:39<test1>and check for inclusion of mencoder ?
00:39<test1>i can not do it now , because now i am not any 64-bit linux under my hands in my work-office, thanks
00:40<jm_>test1: no, I can't - they are in two different packages, it's not in mplayer package
00:41<test1>gsimmons, but i compiled it under debian-40r1-amd64 and it has some bugs( both warning and errors)
00:41<tcsetattr>if you can focus long enough to ask about ONE specific error...
00:42<test1>jm_, yes, there is
00:43<gsimmons>test1: (re 536EP) You may just have neglected to install the header files. Install the "linux-headers-`uname -r`" package next time.
00:44<tcsetattr>lots of complaints, no error messages.
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00:49<valdyn>i hope the mencoder devs die once they depend on kernel headers
00:49<Aurora900>okay... im still struggling with this damn apt-get crap...
00:49<jm_>that's not for mencoder ;)
00:49<Aurora900>debian:~# apt-get update
00:49<Aurora900>Err etch/updates Release.gpg
00:49<Aurora900>Could not resolve ''
00:49<Aurora900>Ign etch/updates Release
00:49<Aurora900>25% [Connecting to]
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00:49<Aurora900>sortadi, can someone tell me what all that means?
00:50<Aurora900>damn that script again
00:50<jm_>damn those flooders again
00:50<Aurora900>how else do you expect me to paste multiple lines of output...
00:50<valdyn>Aurora900: " Could not resolve '' " does not speak for itself?
00:50<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
00:51<test1>gsimmons, no if you doesn't install kernel-headers it produces a small error and stop, i installed kernel-headers
00:51<Aurora900>now i know
00:51<Aurora900>anyway... can someone tell me what all those lines mean?
00:51<tcsetattr>it means your nameserver's broken!
00:51<Aurora900>its not
00:52<test1>valdyn, what "devs die" means ?
00:52<valdyn>test1: developers die
00:52<Aurora900>im browsing the damn page... its all there
00:52<valdyn>Aurora900: try 'ping'
00:52<tcsetattr>valdyn apparently doesn't realize that linux kernel headers are required for _any_ compiling
00:53<Aurora900>okay, but what does that Ign line mean?
00:53<tcsetattr>Ign - Ignoring (because it's already decided that is not usable)
00:53<valdyn>tcsetattr: umm
00:54<tcsetattr>educate yourself. apt-cache show libc6-dev | grep Depends
00:54<valdyn>tcsetattr: linux-libc-dev or linux-kernel-headers or whatever its called is not the same as linux-headers-$(uname -r)
00:55<Aurora900>so... i cant ping google from my server......
00:55<valdyn>Aurora900: your nameserver is not functioning
00:56<valdyn>Aurora900: ( or accessible )
00:56<gsimmons>test1: (re 536EP) Then you're probably missing something else, as it WFM. You need to supply us with error messages.
00:56<Aurora900>isnt that something the hosting company should have taken care of?
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00:56<valdyn>Aurora900: i doubt the actual server is broken, its your network settings
00:57<tcsetattr>are you root? if so, it's your responsibilty to make sure resolv.conf is correct
00:57<jm_>indeed, why don't check your configuration?
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00:57<Aurora900>i didnt set anything... i told my client to have the host instal a linux distro
00:57<Aurora900>i assumed everything should be working
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00:58<yorellz>a mird
00:58<dpkg>[assumption] the mother of all fuckups
00:58<test1>i does the same things in 32-bit and amd64 on same machin without forgetting any things,
00:59<test1>gsimmons: i am using that intel-536ep modem for 3 years in different kernels and different distros: suse, knoppix and debian
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01:00<gsimmons>test1: That's great. Error messages. Provide.
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01:00<Aurora900>ok so where is resolv.conf located and what should it look like
01:00<jm_>man resolv.conf
01:00<test1>and unfortunately i have not that error messages, please return here 5 hours later, i will provide that errors when i return to my 64-bit computer
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01:04<tcsetattr>how do you expect to get help when you're not capable of acting on any suggestions?
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01:05<test1>tcsetattr, do you mean me ?
01:05<tcsetattr>seriously. What do you think you're accomplishing?
01:06<Aurora900>this is the entire conents of my resolv.conf: ameserver
01:06<tcsetattr>you aren't even at the computer and you think you're going to somehow solve a problem here?
01:06<Aurora900>is it safe to assume thats not complete?
01:06<tcsetattr>ameserver should be nameserver at least :)
01:06<Aurora900>yeah, it is... i accidently cut off the n
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01:06<tcsetattr>is actually present on the network?
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01:07<tcsetattr>dig @
01:07<Aurora900>when i ping it i get TTL exceeded
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01:09<Aurora900>any ideas?
01:10<tcsetattr>yeah, put a working nameserver in there.
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01:11<kaper>hi, what is package name of gnome menu editor?
01:11<keith>Debian 4.0. I purged but later reinstalled. Problem is writer is not there and when I reinstalled writer the message comes up that it is already the latest version. Trouble is I can't find the file and don't know how to start writer. Any help?
01:11<Aurora900>but if the name sever is some local machine (which it has to be if its a 10.0 IP) then i have no way of knowing what the nameserver is suppoed to be
01:12<kaper>i want to costomize my menu
01:12<jm_>kaper: do you know how to search for packages?
01:12<kaper>i search in google but can't find sorry
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01:12<jm_>google? you should start using apt-cache or aptitude
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01:13<jm_>start with "gnome menu edit"
01:13<Aurora900>i guess im done for the night... i'll beat the info out of my client tomorrow
01:13<kaper>not found
01:13<Aurora900>whats usually good for beating info out of people? aluminum bats right?
01:14<kaper>i'm new
01:14<dpkg>rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see
01:14<jm_>there, first command with given query will work
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01:15<kaper>i use aptitute search "gnome menu edit" no result
01:16<jm_>use apt-cache, you'll need to learn more about aptitude to be useful like that
01:16<jm_>i.e. it doesn't search descriptions by default
01:16<Aurora900>sigh... if they weren't paying me retarded amounts of money for this i'd have given up ages ago, heh
01:17<kaper>jm, i found
01:17<kaper>alacarte - easy GNOME menu editing tool
01:17<kaper>thank jm
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01:41<SurfCat>when trying to install debian to old 333mhz machine it gets to the 'f1' or 'enter' prompt, i hit enter it starts and then fails and returns 'Ready' - what am I doing wrong?
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01:43<jm_>who says Ready?
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01:44<SurfCat>the installer returns 'Ready' and that's it
01:44<SurfCat>am using the latest netinst.iso
01:44<jm_>stable or daily?
01:44<SurfCat>well, actually, not 'latest' should say stable
01:44<jm_>does kernel boot at all?
01:44<SurfCat>doesn't seem to
01:45<jm_>well then installer can't say Ready - how exactly do last few lines look like?
01:45<SurfCat>ok, here we go... powering up
01:46<jm_>try standard kernel options that help a lot of people
01:46<SurfCat>Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot.:
01:46<SurfCat>sorry, what do you mean by 'standard kernel options' ?
01:46<jm_>noapic nolapic pci=nommc
01:47<SurfCat>yeah, have tried those
01:47<SurfCat>pretty much every variation
01:47<SurfCat>let me try again
01:47<jm_>also add fb=false
01:47<SurfCat>it's at "F1' or ENTER' .... so I type 'install noapic nolapic pci=nommc fb=false
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01:48<SurfCat>ok, just entered that
01:48<SurfCat>now have a flashing cursor in the upper left-hand corner
01:48<SurfCat>nothing at all on the serial line
01:48<SurfCat>nothing at all on the screen
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01:49<SurfCat>very strange indeed
01:49<jm_>does it even say Linux version ...?
01:49<SurfCat>still have the flashing cursor in the upper left-hand corner of the screen
01:49<SurfCat>machine won't take a three-finger salute to restart
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01:50<SurfCat>no dmsg on the console
01:50<jm_>how about if you use earlyprintk=vga option?
01:50<SurfCat>let's try
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01:50<SurfCat>power down, power up - bios rolls by on the console (9600n8)
01:51<jm_>you'll need different options to use serial tty
01:51<Requiem>My, roommate, having gotten ahold of my programming books, has declared he is going to program
01:51<SurfCat>sure, ok
01:51<Requiem>and that he wants to learn LISP first
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01:51<SurfCat>jm_, yes, have tried that too
01:52<SurfCat>let's try this 'earlyprintk=vga'
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01:52<SurfCat>loading vmlinuz
01:52<SurfCat>loading ...gtk/init...
01:53<SurfCat>flashing cursor in the upper left-hand corner
01:53<SurfCat>very strange
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01:54<SurfCat>let me try again with the console option
01:54<jm_>that looks like it's starting GUI installer
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01:56<SurfCat>jm_, how do i get it to install in text mode?
01:56<jm_>SurfCat: to be honest install should be text mode, and installgui is for GUI
01:57<SurfCat>that's what I thought too
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01:57<jm_>ohh did you also try acpi=off?
01:57<SurfCat>sure have
01:57<SurfCat>let me try again
01:57<jm_>so it also doesn't say anything on serial console if you use console= option?
01:58<SurfCat>ok, did 'install acpi=off console=ttyS0,9600n8
01:58<jm_>hmm that means it probably hangs very early, not sure what else to try - maybe different boot loader
01:58<SurfCat>same problem
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01:59<SurfCat>yes, agreed, it's failing really quickly
01:59<SurfCat>but the CD is isolinux, and that boots
01:59<jm_>yeah hard to say if it hangs in the kernel or before that
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01:59<SurfCat>vmlinux loads - i think it's failing during initrd.gz
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02:00<SurfCat>is there any way to debug this?
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02:03<SurfCat>why would initrd.gz cause it to fail?
02:03<jm_>let me see
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02:03<SurfCat>i'm stumped
02:04<SurfCat>here's someone who's had the same problem
02:05<SurfCat>well, almost, anyway
02:05<SurfCat>i don't get any error - not even an 'unable to load' exception
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02:07<jm_>uhm I forgot how to get qemu to not do VGA emulation
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02:08<gsimmons>'-nographic', IIRC.
02:08<SurfCat>doesn't hurt to try
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02:09<jm_>yeah but I want it to display stuff in xterm too, I know I've done it in the past ;)
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02:10<jm_>ohh maybe it's syslinux not outputing to serial tty
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02:10<SurfCat>just tried 'install debian-installer/probe/usb=false' and it got a little farther
02:11<SurfCat>Loading /install.386/vmlinuz
02:11<SurfCat>Loading /install/.386/initrd.gz
02:11<SurfCat>.... Ready...
02:11<jm_>SurfCat: for me it says loading vmlinuz.gz and initrd.gz, not gtk
02:12<jm_>Ready. seems to be sysliunx thing
02:13<SurfCat>agreed, rather
02:13<tcsetattr>that or CBM BASIC.
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02:19<SurfCat>that's it for me, gotta sleep
02:19<SurfCat>jm_, thank you very much for your time and expertise
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02:20<jm_>Unfortunately, in what seems to be part for the course when dealing with contemporary BIOSes, there are still a fair number of (mostly older) systems on which ISOLINUX simply will not work. On those systems, you may want to try Smart BootManager, a boot floppy which contains a standalone El Torito stack.
02:20<jm_>blah too late
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02:36<simonrvn>!tell CoopeR -about ask
02:36<simonrvn>!tell CoopeR -about smart questions
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02:45<thctlo2>hi all, and good morning, . . question, im looking for a program like tofrodos that accepts input from stdin then pipe to lp ;-) or, use lp -crlf
02:46<thctlo2>who knows, im going from sco unix 5 to debian ;-) with my progress database server.
02:46<thctlo2>this is the last problem im having. :-(
02:48[~]weasel blinks
02:48<jm_>there are gazillion programs that accept input on stdin
02:48<weasel>what exactly do you want to do with stdin before feeding it to lpr?
02:48<jm_>didn't you ask about this lp and SCO non-sense several weeks ago?
02:49<sheldonh>thctlo2: aptitude install tofrodos
02:49<thctlo2>yep, still working on it.
02:49<thctlo2>tofrodos does not work for me.
02:50<weasel>why not?
02:50<sheldonh>thctlo2: then you have a different question
02:50<weasel>please ask better questions
02:50<jm_>same conclusion we had back then :)
02:50<thctlo2>wel : cat file| -o 5|lp -oraw - this is what i not want.
02:50<weasel>tell us WHAT YOU WANT
02:50<thctlo2>stdin |lp -oraw - is what i want
02:50<weasel>not what you don't want
02:51<weasel>and what's wrong with just "lp -oraw -" then?
02:51<thctlo2>i get input from the progress software, this prints to stdin, i can redirect it to lp -crlf ( -crlf to correct the line breaks )
02:52<thctlo2>tofrodos | lp-dqueue says, no stdin
02:52<sheldonh>he? tofrodos isn't a utility installed by the tofrodos package
02:53<sheldonh>it installs, amongst other things, todos and fromdos
02:53<thctlo2>todos | lp -dqueue then ;-)
02:53<thctlo2>i know i know..
02:53<sheldonh>so, for example... "blah blah blah | todos | blah blah blah"
02:53[~]weasel stops listening. you don't make any sense at all
02:53<thctlo2>im on this for more than a week now :-(
02:54<sheldonh>thctlo2: you're showing us microfragments of a problem. give us more context or give up
02:54<weasel>or at least don't waste our time :)
02:54<sheldonh>we're on irc, what's to waste? ;)
02:55<weasel>my patience and goodwill for instance
02:55<thank>i was update testing version
02:55<thank>but fonts very small
02:55<thank>how i can result it ??
02:56<thank>i use chinese font is very small
02:57<thctlo2>that hard to understand about this: progress : print processor: cat file , then todos must accept this and redirect to lp
02:57<rosegrass>thank, did you install any ttf fonts?
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02:57<test1>thctlo2, i have some experience with sco 5&6 , please explain more
02:57<test1>thctlo2, and i have a question, too about sco->debian:
02:58<thctlo2>hi test1, im going from sco unix 5 to debian etch.
02:58<rosegrass>thank, for example, ttf-arphic-ukai and ttf-arphic-uming
02:58<test1>are ther any experience with mounting sco partion by nfs to debian and then
02:58<rosegrass>thank, which application makes the font small??
02:58<test1>using a big file of sco (nfs mounted on debian ) for swap in debian ?
02:58<thctlo2>yes i have that,
02:59<thctlo2>but only for data
02:59<thank>and konsole
02:59<test1>it produces an error message and do NOT accept that file as swap :-(
02:59<rosegrass>thank, KDE?
02:59<test1>that error message is: there is a hole in that swap file
02:59<sheldonh>thctlo2: there's nothing hard to understand about it. cat file | todos | lp
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02:59<sheldonh>thctlo2: or even todos < file | lp
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03:00<test1>it there anyone knowing the meaning of that message ? and its solution ?
03:00<thank>it's very normal before apt upgrade to testing version
03:00<sheldonh>thctlo2: now if that's not working for you, we need more information to be of help. for example, what does "not working" look like?
03:00<test1>jm_ , did you see moy above question ?
03:00<thank>i use stable and it's very normal
03:00<thank>how can i do
03:00<thctlo2>sheldonh , yes i know that but.. todos < stdin | lp must work, with file is does work. :-(
03:00<rosegrass>thank, did you install xfonts-wqy?
03:01<sheldonh>thctlo2: what on EARTH does todos < stdin mean?
03:01<jm_>test1: yes, but I stopped working with SCO Unix several years ago so I can't help you
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03:01<sheldonh>thctlo2: do you understand that "todos somefile" modifies the file on disk?
03:02<thank>ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu ttf-opensymbol
03:02<thctlo2>yeah, but i does not have to modify file, i just has to modify it and redirect it.
03:02<test1>jm_, did you see this error message: "that file has some hole." when doing: "swapon some-file" ?
03:02<rosegrass>thank, only Chinese characters are small??
03:02<sheldonh>thctlo2: exactly. which is why you do "todos < somefile | lp" or "cat somefile | todos | lp"
03:03<thank>all fonts is very small
03:03<rosegrass>thank, OK, so you should adjust the xfce font configuration
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03:03<thank>i have adjusted it
03:03<test1>is there anyone knowing about this error message when doing: "swapon some-file" : "that file has some hole" ??
03:04<thank>but no effect
03:04<rosegrass>thank, did you restart xfce?
03:04<thank>restart twice
03:04<Eulex>test1, the file is a sparse file.
03:05<thctlo2>sheldonh: this is how the process goes: 1 progress prints to stdin | todos must accept this | and redirect it to lp -d , so INPUT=> STDIN | todos | lp -dqueue is how it should work.
03:05<sheldonh>test1: create the swapfile with dd
03:05<thank>thank you , rosegrass help
03:05<Eulex>thank, (1) remove any .gtkrc-2.0 or similar (2) set your dpi correctly if it isn't
03:05<sheldonh>thctlo2: NOTHING PRINTS TO STDIN!
03:06<sheldonh>thctlo2: progress | todos | lp
03:06<thank>which pkg ??
03:06<thctlo2>progress does :)
03:06<sheldonh>thctlo2: no
03:06<sheldonh>thctlo2: nothing prints _to_ its own stdin file descriptor, and anything that tries receives an immediate SIGPIPE
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03:07<Eulex>thank, ~/.gtkrc-2.0. it's a file. in your home directory.
03:07<Eulex>or might be. if it is there; remove it.
03:07<sheldonh>thctlo2: i think you're taking the piss. i think you're just trying to see how long you can wind someone up by pretending you don't understand what they're telling you. goodbye
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03:07<test1>i created swapfile so, (with dd), but on a unix machin and then mounted unix's filesystem on linux by nfs and the did "swapon that-file" on linux, must is worked well, or it is not permitted to using a swap-file on remote-mounted(by nfs) filesystem ?
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03:08<sheldonh>test1: swapfile over nfs? wow
03:08<thank>i will try it
03:08<thank>thanks very much
03:08<sheldonh>test1: so, like... when your network has a transient failure, your kernel locks up? :)
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03:08<thctlo2>wel sorry sheldonh, i dont want to upset you. i'll stop about this question and go call progress for help. thanx anyway for the help.
03:09<test1>sheldonh, "swap-file on unix"-------(by nfs)-------->linux , do you understand me ?
03:09<sheldonh>test1: yes. i understand it's a recipe for disaster :)
03:09<thank>no this file
03:10<rosegrass>thank, do you have any ~/.gtkrc-*
03:10<thank>i can't find it
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03:11<sheldonh>test1: i wouldn't want my kernel to rely on virtual memory that may become temporarily unavailable because of a network flake, know what i mean?
03:11<test1>sheldonh, you are right, but in my network, that did not work at all, and it got me error message: "that file(swap-file) has hole" ? do you familiar with such a message? and do you know its solution?
03:12<sheldonh>test1: you might try to use the loop module to introduce a layer of indirection that satisfies the vm subsystem
03:12<test1>sheldonh, yes i know what you mean, but i only wanted to test it. do you know its solution ?
03:12<sheldonh>test1: see for a hint (though not debian specific)
03:13<test1>sheldonh, can you explain more about "layer on indirection" and its relation with loop driver.
03:13<test1>sheldonh, i am seeing it
03:13<sheldonh>test1: the loop driver provides a block interface to the bits in a file
03:13<Eulex>thank, I said 'if it existed'
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03:16<test1>sheldonh, do you know anything about above error message (hole in swap-file) ?
03:18<sheldonh>test1: my guess is that, because the kernel doesn't have direct access to the file, it experiences it as a sparse file (which is probably an optimization in the nfs code). this is a guess
03:18<ameyer>swap over nfs is a horrible idea
03:18<blarson>test1: When creating files to use for swap, you need to use options that make them not have holes. (unallocated space)
03:18<sheldonh>ameyer: we've covered that ground :)
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03:18<sheldonh>blarson: dd does not create sparse files
03:18<ameyer>even if it works, it's slow as all motherloving heck
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03:20<test1>sheldonh, "options that make them not have holes" -> options of what command? dd? or other ?
03:21<sheldonh>test1: i didn't say that, ask blarson. dd does not create sparse files
03:22<test1>sheldonh, oh you'r right ;-)
03:22<sheldonh>test1: you need to use the loop driver or you need to give up :)
03:22<test1>blarson, "options that make them not have holes" -> options of what command? dd? or other ?
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03:23<sheldonh>test1: so... file --> unix --> nfs --> loop --> swap --> linux
03:23<blarson>test1: I only did it on solaris. There was a mkfile or mksfile command IIRC. (It's been years.)
03:23<test1>sheldonh, yes i read and i understand, but
03:24<ameyer>sheldonh: nasty
03:24<sheldonh>ameyer: i appreciate that
03:25<ameyer>that's one ugly house of cards
03:25<sheldonh>ameyer: having explained that jumping off a building is a bad idea, i'm providing advice on getting to the top of the building
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03:31<rosegrass>thank, maybe you can try create a new account and see if the same problem still happen..
03:32<test1>is there anyone experiencing with mounting nfs drin from sco5 on linux ?
03:33<sheldonh>sometimes i wonder why i bother pressing the buttons
03:33<dpkg>*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*
03:33<test1>sheldonh, it is because of my sentence ?
03:33<sheldonh>yes :)
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03:34<test1>sheldonh, but why, i must work on this matter, and need to it, i thanks you :-)
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03:41<test1>is there anyone experiencing with mounting nfs drive from sco5 on linux ? (leaving the swap matter )
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03:43<simonrvn>it's gotta be exported from the server first, you have to have permission to do so (on the server), and then you mount it. man nfs; man mount; man fstab
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03:44<sheldonh>simonrvn: he's aleady got access to the exported file from the linux box. his problem is he's trying to use the file as a swap file, instead of using as a block device through the loop driver
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03:45<simonrvn>why doesn't he just plug in a new drive and make a swap partition instead
03:45<sheldonh>simonrvn: *shrug*
03:46<sheldonh>simonrvn: possible answers include "it's an embedded device", "he's run out of drive interfaces", "he has no money for another disk" and "he wants to play" :)
03:46<test1>sheldonh, no i need only export nfs not getting swap-file from it
03:46<simonrvn>or even a swap file... "tu te complique la vie pour rien"
03:47<test1>sheldonh, getting the swap-file from it is only testing for interest.
03:47<sheldonh>test1: then i'm not sure why we're having this conversation :)
03:48<sheldonh>but look, this is two people in the space of half an hour that i've gotten grumpy with, i'm obviously not in the right frame of mind for being helpful. i'll shush now :)
03:48<test1>simonrvn, the reason for using swap from nfs-mounted was on the computer that has not any hard-disk, and booting from a server
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03:49<simonrvn>you mean a thin client
03:49<simonrvn>look at the ltsp stuff in debian then
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03:50<test1>i thought about that on some older machines that have little memory(128M or less) a very few used swap is better that no any swap- even if it resides on remote, isn't it ?
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03:51<test1>but apart from the matter of swap i had some other problems in using nfs-mounted drive from sco onlinux, for example
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03:52<test1>occasional , time to time degradation in network speed, near 0 Mbps, while
03:53<test1>all of the cabling is completely reliable and healty,
03:53<test1>and all of my cabling is Cat6 and my switches are 100Mbps and netcards are 100Mbps that
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03:54<test1>had no error in other networking tasks in the between same computers in same time that
03:54<test1>nfs drops working.
03:55<test1>any comment is appreciated, thanks
03:55<test1>my test bed was linux with( kerner 2.6.17 of knoppix 5.0.1 with 3com-905 netcard and
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03:56<test1>sco-5.0.7 unix as server of nfs with 3com-905 )
03:57<test1>i personaly have experience with nfs and tcp/ip networking of sco unix from about 16 years ago (sco-odt-3 - sysV, but
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03:58<test1>i could not yet find the cause of this nowadays problem( mentioned above), unfortunatly :-(
03:58<test1>oh, friends , i will go back 10 min later, excuse me
03:58<test1>any comment is appreciated, thanks
03:59<thank>thank you rosegrass , problem still after create new account
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04:00<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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04:00<rosegrass>thank, how come. It surprises me
04:00<rosegrass>thank, I'm running testing and not having this problem
04:01<mikkelorz>hmm anyone ever experienced black screen.. as in no bios post.. but with all the hw seemingly working?
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04:01<rosegrass>mikkelorz, hw working?? do you mean it boots into Linux?
04:02<mikkelorz>i snatched a dvd drive from my desktop, put it in a thin client and installed debian. then i put it back into my desktop and now im just getting nothing
04:02<mikkelorz>rosegrass: it wont even do a bios post... getting no signal to my monitor oO
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04:02<rosegrass>mikkelorz, try re-install memory...
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04:04<mikkelorz>rosegrass: well that i can try.. seems like the easiest thing.. i just hope it isnt my bios or gfx card gone bad :/
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04:04<simonrvn>re-seat stuff. maybe you just knocked something while switching the thing in and out
04:04<rosegrass>mikkelorz, I'll try clear CMOS data, and re-install memory and gfx card
04:06<mikkelorz>i cleared cmos, both with shift and jumper.. then i checked the connections everywhere.. ram is seated properly, so is gfx, well everything
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04:35<keith>debian 4.0. I purged and reinstalled but writer is not listed with the others of the office pack. I tried installing writer but came up with the message 'writer already the latest version.' Any help?
04:37<sheldonh>keith: haven't tried myself, but maybe this? dpkg-reconfigure
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04:41<keith>sheldonh: Thanks, I'll try that.
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04:44<sheldonh>keith: i suspect that the work you want done, is done by update-menus, and i'm guessing dpkg-reconfigure tickles it
04:45<alex__>anyone here using xen with enomalism?
04:47<sheldonh>are people having loads of fun upgrading beyond 2.6.18 on older hardware? i've had a devil of a time with the latest round of custom kernels, what with the new libata pata drivers
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04:48<keith>sheldonh: I did the dpkg reconfigure but nothing much seems to have happened. I'll reboot and see what happens. bye
04:48<jm_>I simply use old IDE drivers
04:48<jm_>keith: where is it not listed?
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04:48<sheldonh>keith: you shouldn't need to reboot, just restart x / log out and log in again
04:49<oddto2>hey guys what would be the best software pack to be able to do php on my loop back so i can write php scripts on my desktop and test them w/o having to connect to a server
04:49<sheldonh>jm_: i'm leaning HEAVILY in that direction :)
04:49<jm_>apache and php :)
04:50<keith>jm: In applications under office. It's not listed with calc etc. and I cannot find the file anywhere.
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04:51<sheldonh>keith: aptitude remove; aptitude purge ~c; aptitude install openoffice-org-writer
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04:51<jm_>keith: in the menus or when you start openoffice it's not under New -> Text document?
04:51<sheldonh>keith: warning, i haven't tried that myself. and it'll blow away configs for uninstalled packages
04:51<jm_>you can do aptitude purge too
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04:52<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, but i find it doesn't purge automatically removed packages, only the ones named on the command-line
04:52<jm_>sheldonh: yeah I'd like that feature
04:53<sheldonh>i've run out of rubber chicken. this server will have to be replaced
04:53<keith>sheldonh: Ive done that many times but still the same problem.
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04:57<sheldonh>keith: really? i find that if the rubber chicken doesn't work, replacing the server usually does
04:57<keith>jm: I can't start writer simplybecause I cannot findit anywhere to start. Someone suggested /usr/bin/oowriter but it's not there either.
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04:58<jm_>keith: start openoffice, then go to New -> Text document - does this work?
04:58<jm_>File -> New that is
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05:02<keith>jm: By using soffice and new shows all the others in the family but not writer. Perhaps it's a hidden file for some reason because the system reckons it is there.
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05:03<jm_>keith: can you please write jm_? are you saying it doesn't show up in New menu?
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05:04<keith>jm_ : correct.
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05:05<jm_>keith: do you have /usr/lib/openoffice/program/swriter?
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05:09<keith>jm_: No, it isn't there.
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05:10<jm_>keith: does dpkg -S swriter return anything?
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05:10<kanpachi>hello, i just started using debian, and for some reason i can't get my printer to work, even though it's supported in linux :(
05:11<kanpachi>it's a xerox phaser 3117, can anyone help please?
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05:11<jm_>keith: make that program/swriter
05:11<jm_>otherwise it'll return way too much
05:12<jm_>kanpachi: what did you do so far?
05:12<kanpachi>well, i got the samsung 6040 ppd, since it's suppoed to work with that printer
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05:12<kanpachi>i installed it, but i can't find it when i add a new printer
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05:13<peritus>anyone know of a shell command/command to get owner UID of a file?
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05:16<jm_>peritus: do you really want me to answer that question?
05:16<jm_>you can use lpadmin to add a new printer with given PPD file
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05:16<peritus>jm_: yes sir i do
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05:16<jm_>peritus: ok, the answer is "no" :P
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05:18<keith>jm_: A whole lot happened with dpkg -S - I'll now log out and in. bye
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05:23<yujin>after install a campact debian with netimage,how to set local iso files as the source of Debian package,please?
05:27<jm_>yujin: you can't - mount them
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05:29<yujin>i have mounted the iso files, and it works well. the problem is how to set them as the package source
05:29<jm_>apt supports file:// as access method
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05:32<yujin>if i want to install a package, how could i know which iso of CD should be mounted?
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05:32<jm_>!cd contents
05:32<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD:, or
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05:33<jm_>would probably be much simpler if you used DVD images
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05:35<yujin>thr file system of my portable USB hardisk is vfat and it limits the size of file to 4GB
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05:38<jm_>in that case simply copy contents of DVD images to vfat, no need to double mount things
05:38<test1>hi, again hello
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05:39<test1>jm_, now i can get you my intel-536ep driver's compilation errors
05:39<jm_>test1: how are you compiling?
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05:41<test1>jm_, do you remember me from 3 hours ago ?
05:42<test1>jm_, can you get a file ( compilation messages ) ?
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05:43<jm_>test1: please answer my question
05:43<jm_>test1: ohh you mean get it via DCC?
05:43<test1>you will see in that file
05:44<jm_>test1: are you sure this driver works with 2.6.18 kernel?
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05:46<jm_>test1: does "dpkg -S pgtable-2level-defs.h" return anything?
05:46<test1>jm_, i got that driver from
05:47<test1>this is the driver that is working with many 32-bit kernels
05:48<test1>jm_, yes that "dpkg -S" return 4 lines
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05:49<jm_>test1: including something for 2.6.18-5-amd64?
05:50<test1>i am sending its resuls
05:52<yujin>dpkg: i have 1 to 6 of iso of the CDs. where can i get the package list,please?
05:52<jm_>test1: try editing softserial_io.c, line 32, uncomment it
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05:53<test1>jm_, i again compile it get restult
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05:54<jm_>test1: that means it's using binary only 32bit lib with 64bit target, that won't work
05:55<test1>jm_, have you ever seen this driver's sources?
05:55<jm_>test1: no
05:55<test1>from what line you conclude that ?
05:55<jm_>ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/home/test1/tmp/tmp/1/intel-536EP- to format elf64-x86-64 (/home/test1/tmp/tmp/1/intel-536EP- is not supported
05:56<jm_>i.e. 536core.lib is 32bit
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05:57<test1>is there any solution to use them in 64bit kernel /
05:57<jm_>no idea, who told you this works for 64bit?
05:59<test1>no-one, i use it for about 1 year for 32-bit kernels
05:59<test1>but theorirically can we use this 32-bit object in 63-bit kernel ?
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06:01<jm_>not sure, I think not
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06:05<test1>is here anyone knowing that can we link an object compiled in 32-bit kernel with some 64-bit objects ?
06:05<george_007>Which program will send me an email if a web server in the internet is down?
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06:06<test1>jm_, did you this: ?
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06:11<jm_>that's a bit old post but ...
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06:30<cire>I created my own udev rules, e.g. for creating a symlink from /dev/sda1 to /dev/ext/120GB/a1 and /dev/sdb1 to /dev/ext/120GB/b1, which used to work very well. I just restarted my computer, and now these rules seem to be ignored. How may I find the error?
06:30<test1>jm_, thanks, you are right
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06:30<jm_>cire: try udevtest
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06:31<cire>I did. udevtest /block/sda returns "main: looking at device '/block/sda' from subsystem 'block'"
06:31<cire>then nothing else
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06:33<kalango>alguem ai
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06:33<jm_>is the device connected now?
06:34<kalango>quem é você
06:34<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:34<cire>-/dev/sda is there and works
06:34<kalango>como faz
06:35<jm_>udevtest doesn't even say parse_file?
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06:35<kalango>como faz pra usar o debian-br
06:35<cire>yes, there are a lot of files parsed.
06:36<cire>also my 20-custom-rules
06:36<cire>^^ this was only the last line ("main: looking...")
06:36<jm_>for me it at least runs usb_id -x with default rules
06:37<cire>no, except the last line, only "parse_file"
06:37<jm_>hmm no idea, maybe remove your custom rules and see what it does then (i.e. rely on the defaults)
06:37<jm_>if that works you know where the culprit is
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06:39<cire>you mean, remove my custom rules, and then run udevtest again. (against which path?)
06:40<jm_>yeah - same path
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06:41<cire>same thing
06:41<cire>I did an udevcontrol reload_rules before
06:41<jm_>hmm is this on Etch?
06:41<cire>it is... unstable.
06:41<cire>just playin around with that
06:42<jm_>ahh that has different version and probably different rules too
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06:43<cire>but the rules worked. You mean, I installed a new udev version which doesn't understand my rules any more?
06:43<cire>but... I removed my custom rules.
06:44<jm_>I said that in reference to my system, which is Etch, so one can't compare what I see to what you see
06:44<cire>ahh, okay
06:44<jm_>in that case check BTS
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06:44<cire>okay, I'll do so
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06:44<struct>anyone know whats going on with gimp in debian?
06:44<jm_>udevd also has --debug-trace - maybe that will reveal something
06:44<JasonS>struct: more specific please
06:45<jm_>or -verbose
06:45<jm_>--verbose even
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06:45<struct>nevermind seems to have been taken care of
06:45<struct>must have been a bug that got worked out
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06:48<CarlDOT>Hi, I have been trying Ubuntu without much success at the moment so I am considering other packages. Does Debian have sound/multimedia issues in the full install which are not present on the LiveCD? Also, does wireless networking work on Debian?
06:49<petemc>debian supports anything supported by the linux kernel
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06:50<CarlDOT>Does that mean that the problems I am having with sound and wireless are likely to be repeated whichever flavour of Linux that I use?
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06:50<petemc>depends on the nature of those problems
06:50<CarlDOT>I'm a complete novice to this kind of thing, windows has ruined me
06:50<vortex>CarlDOT: is this machine a laptop?
06:50<CarlDOT>Laptop yep
06:50<CarlDOT>HP G6010EM
06:50<vortex>Toshiba by any chance?
06:50<petemc>ubuntu should be one of the easier distros to get working
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06:51<vortex>oh, then you might have the realtek sound chipset which isnt supported in the kernel yet
06:51<CarlDOT>I've spent almost 5hrs in Ubuntu IRC trying to sort these issues, the chipset appears to be an Intel one
06:52<CarlDOT>With conexant drivers if that makes any sense
06:52<test1>CarlDOT, do a comman: "lspci" to view your hardware types
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06:53<jm_>!which driver
06:53<dpkg>Try to find out which driver supports your device.
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06:56<CarlDOT>That comes up with what I have been trying in Ubuntu for the past 5hrs or so test1 snd-hda-intel
06:57<CarlDOT>I presume that means I'd have the same problem whichever flavour of Linux I was to use?
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06:57<vortex>CarlDOT: wat is the output of /proc/asound/card0/id ?
06:57<jm_>it might simply mean you need newer kernel
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06:57<CarlDOT>How do I get the output vortex?
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06:58<twb>Is mencoder not in the normal repositories?
06:58<jm_>twb: no
06:58<cire>jm_: reinstalled udev, now it works! perhaps I should check my fs...
06:58<cire>thanks for your help
06:58<jm_>cire: hmm or maybe it was retstart that helped?
06:58<twb>jm_: you mean `correct'?
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06:59<cire>I restarted several times before
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07:00<CarlDOT>If you mean what kind of card is it vortex then it's an 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
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07:00<twb>If I want to rip DVDs to my hard disk (so as not to need to juggle removable media all the time), is the best approach to grab mencoder from, or is there some other package in Debian proper?
07:01<tolecnal>twb: you could look at k9copy
07:02<twb>tolecnal: what package is that, I don't see it in aptitude.
07:02<jm_>twb: yeah, it's not in Debian, d-m has it
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07:02<jm_>twb: I also sued dvd:rip for that
07:03<vortex>CarlDOT: if you run alsamixer what Chip/Card does it say in there?
07:03<jm_>twb: ahh that's also on d-m
07:03<tolecnal>d-m is the best source when dealing with these things :)
07:03<twb>I mean theoretically I could just dd the device, but that's exorbitant overhead even for my 750GB system
07:03<CarlDOT>Card HDA Intel
07:03<vortex>and Chipset?
07:03<jm_>you'd want to vobcopy it, not dd it
07:04<CarlDOT>Chip Conexant cx20549 (Venice)
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07:06<twb>jm_: dd is easiest, you don't even need to mount it.
07:06<twb>Then you just do mplayer -dvd-device foo.img dvd://
07:06<jm_>twb: ahh so playing works fine from those later?
07:07<twb>It preserves the stupid useless menu stuff and shit, too
07:07<CarlDOT>If I can get it to work with Debian then fantastic but it's refusing to work with Ubuntu at the moment, it probably would, I'm just starting out with Linux so can't yet trouble shoot a thing
07:07<jm_>yeah I was thinking because of encryption shit
07:07<twb>dd copies the encryption, too :-)
07:07<jm_>I would simply try newer kernel CarlDOT
07:07<twb>Which is why the so-called antipiracy measures on DVDs don't actually do anything but annoy consumers
07:07<jm_>yup, wasn't sure if apps can be used like that, mplayer++
07:07<vortex>i agree with jm_ and maybe try installing the alsa driver from source
07:08<CarlDOT>That was the latest Ubuntu one, there were no more updates :-s
07:08<CarlDOT>Will Debian install from the live CD?
07:08<twb>Another tip for mplayer users: echo stop-xscreensaver=yes >>~/.mplayer/config
07:08<azeem>CarlDOT: I don't think the LiveCD has an install option, but not sure
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07:08<twb>It tells xscreensaver not to idle-activate while videos play
07:08<vortex>you can probably debootstrap form the LiveCD =)
07:08<jm_>I am missing "dont disable dpms" config option for mplayer
07:08<twb>CarlDOT: Debian Live does not support installation (yet).
07:09<CarlDOT>Oh I wouldn't even know where to begin with that to be honest (bootstrapping)
07:09<twb>CarlDOT: you can ask #debian-live about that.
07:09<twb>Actually #debian-boot is probably more useful.
07:09<twb>Using debootstrap is documented in an appendix of the install guide.
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07:10<CarlDOT>If I boot back into Vista and download the debian latest release would it simply be a case of installing it onto the Ubunut partition or is debian more complicated than that?
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07:11<twb>jm_: just running "dvdrip" gives "Bus error"
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07:11<CarlDOT>Now I've had a proper taste of Linux I don't really want to go back to Windows
07:12<twb>CarlDOT: you can install Debian from any running Unix-like system; that includes Ubuntu and Debian Live.
07:12<jm_>twb: haha, I have used it successfully for years, but not in a while now -- that would just bring up a perl gtk interface normally, so it's rather surprising it shits itself so early
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07:12<twb>CarlDOT: what you can't do is run some of the hardware voodoo code that's still intertwingled into the debian-installer program.
07:12<vortex>you could even use the debian from windows installer
07:12<cire2>I have assembled raid0 arrays, and now want to reassemble them. I used /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 as devices, now I'd like to use my udev-symlinks /dev/250GB/a1 and /dev/250GB/b1. might reassembling harm the data on the array?
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07:13<CarlDOT>I want to do that eventually vortex but right now, being so green I don't want to risk losing what I know so well, even if I do hate it
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07:14<CarlDOT>What is hardware voodoo code?
07:14<twb>CarlDOT: like saying "oh, you have a cardbus port, I will install cardbus support packages"
07:15<CarlDOT>oh, so that would have to be done manually?
07:15<vortex>if you didnt use the installer, yes
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07:15<twb>If you used debootstrap instead of d-i
07:16<noflash>CarlDOT, try a little reading at the reference and install manual are both good
07:16<twb>Where d-i requires you to boot from a CD or whatever instead of using an already-running OS.
07:16<twb>jm_: I think I'll use mencoder for now, assuming I can get IT to work.
07:17<CarlDOT>It's sounding more and more like I should take the machine to the shop and get an expert to set it all up for me lol
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07:17<twb>CarlDOT: "shop"? You don't have a LUG nearby?
07:17<twb>CarlDOT: what city are you in?
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07:18<CarlDOT>Just outside Bristol UK
07:18<jm_>twb: dvdrip is just a front-end to transcode anyway
07:18<jm_>twb: it makes the whole process much easier
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07:19[~]lupine_85 used k9copy for the first time yesterday and was quite impressed
07:19<twb>CarlDOT: so you go to > User Groups > United Kingdom > England
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07:19<twb>The first entry is "Bristol and Bath"
07:20<twb>You jump onto their website and look for when the next "installfest" is.
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07:21<lupine_85>installfests ftw
07:21[~]lupine_85 is helping organise york's
07:21<twb>Apparently Monash University holds IFs sponsored by Microsoft
07:22<twb>Which struck me as pretty fucking silly
07:22<jm_>windows or linux install fests?
07:22<twb>They install XP on your system for free
07:22<twb>XP or linux, that is.
07:22<twb>This was back before Vista came out
07:22<lupine_85>heh, quite
07:22<lupine_85>at our last install fest, we did end up reinstalling XP on one machine
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07:23<lupine_85>but that's because ntfsresize broke the partition
07:23<twb>I withdrew from my CS course because they took away student access to the Unix auth system, incuding all the dual-boot machines in the labs
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07:23<twb>So I haven't been there in a while.
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07:23<CarlDOT>That is superb, thank you twb :)
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07:24<twb>Needless to say anyone you meet who has a Monash CS degree from 2006 or later you can assume has not received any actual CS training.
07:24<CarlDOT>There's a meeting in a couple of weeks that I could attend, would be fantastic, they're hoping to arrange an "installfest" too which is brilliant :)
07:25<twb>CarlDOT: look for a mailing list, too
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07:25<CarlDOT>Just emailing myself the link so I can sign up once I'm back with music :)
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07:26<twb>k9copy is just confusing
07:26<twb>It has a GUI with all menus and buttons and things
07:26<bharathyd>can anyone please help how to setup a printer in debian system
07:27<twb>bharathyd: does it have a NIC and a PostScript interpreter?
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07:28<CarlDOT>I seriously appreciate that twb, I had no idea such things existed. If they can help me it'll be fantastic, at this point in time I'm willing to accept any kind of Linux dual-boot. It does everything so much faster than Vista
07:28<bharathyd>twb, i donno abt using debian from the past few days. One thing i can tell is my printer is HP laserjet and its server is
07:28<lupine_85>let's be honest, a dead slug is faster than vista
07:29<twb>bharathyd: that sounds easy, I think.
07:29<CarlDOT>very true lupine_85
07:29<bharathyd>twb, any help
07:29<twb>bharathyd: try installing cupsys-client then "echo ServerName >>/etc/cups/client.conf"
07:30<twb>Printing horrifies me, so that might be bad advice.
07:30<CarlDOT>I thought Vista was faster than XP (newer more powerful machine though), until I tried Linux, being able to reboot in around 90 seconds is completely unknown to me until today
07:30<jm_>bharathyd: alternatively add it via CUPS web interface
07:31<twb>CarlDOT: 90 seconds is ridiculously long
07:31<CarlDOT>It is?
07:31<bharathyd>jm_, hmmm but i installed foomatic drivers
07:31<twb>CarlDOT: are you using a PIII or something relatively old like that?
07:31<jm_>bharathyd: that's perfectly fine
07:32<CarlDOT>Dual Core 1.86GHz with 1GB RAM
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07:32<twb>Our Celeron D systems with 1GB ram boot in 50 to 60 seconds
07:32<CarlDOT>With Debian?
07:32<twb>Oh wait, I suppose you're using graphics
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07:32<CarlDOT>Yeah GUI mode
07:32<CarlDOT>Gnome desktop
07:32<twb>OTOH, you're probably booting from a local disk.
07:33<bharathyd>jm_, after that i clicked System-->Administration-->Printing-->Add
07:33<CarlDOT>Yep, 21GB partition on a 5400rpm 120GB Hitatchi SATA drive
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07:33<jm_>bharathyd: I am not familiar with that, only with web interface
07:33<twb>I'd really like to get my netboot systems to come up in 20 or 30 seconds.
07:34<bharathyd>jm_, ok thank u.
07:34<CarlDOT>That was something else that I didn't find out until today, Vista doesn't tell me the makes of anything, straight away Linux told me the makes and models of everything
07:35<twb>CarlDOT: often it'll tell you the REAL make, not just the silly badge on the front, too.
07:35<sheldonh>with 4.0r1, if you elect to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 instead of linux-image-2.6.18-686, can you still rest assured that you'll get kernel security updates as required?
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07:35<twb>r1 is out?
07:35<jm_>bharathyd: so we can either try that or you do it by yourself
07:35<CarlDOT>I haven't delved too deeply twb but I don't doubt it
07:35<bharathyd>jm_, ok
07:36<CarlDOT>It's just frustrating knowing so little, but hopefully I can get to know some of the people in Bristol and in a month or so be helping others like I am now, lol
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07:37<twb>CarlDOT: don't force Debian on people who aren't ready for it, though, because they don't enjoy it and the net result is a bad reputation.
07:38<CarlDOT>Ah, no, I meant people seeking out the Bristol group
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07:39<CarlDOT>Everyone I know personally tend to be the classic "Use what's on the machine and nothing more in case it breaks" kind of people
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07:40<twb>All software sucks.
07:40<twb>Therefore, anything on the machine is broken already.
07:40<CarlDOT>I'm more the kind to take a punt on something and if it goes wrong hope that I can figure a way to fix it, they won't even let me near their machines
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07:42<CarlDOT>I installed onto the partition this morning not having a clue what I was doing or how it would turn out or even how to fix it if it didn't
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07:42<lupine_85>heh. as long as you're willing to experiment, that's the best way to learn
07:42<lupine_85>although reading manuals runs a close second
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07:43<CarlDOT>I had absolutely no idea if it would work or not, or how to fix it if it didn't but it's been eating at me for days to just do it and see what happened...I did and now I wish I did it days ago, weeks ago even, and of course that I knew more about the "scene" and how to make it all work
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07:44<CarlDOT>On that subject are there any really good books for beginners that any of you could recommend?
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07:44<CarlDOT>I've looked at a few but they might as well be in Gaelic for the sense they make to me
07:44<CarlDOT>I think they were more for advanced users
07:44<lupine_85> has a newbie's guide IIRC
07:45<CarlDOT>Book form lupine_85?
07:46<lupine_85>I never bought a book :)
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07:47<twb>RUTE is good for a complete UNIX newbie, but I can never find the damn site.
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07:48<jpa>hi if i change the root pwd back with "init=/bin/bash" is it possible to change it again to the unknown pwd??
07:48<twb>Er, unlike *my* web content, which has definitely NOT changed protocol as well as path... nope, no sir.
07:48<CarlDOT>Just had a quick search of my local library to see if they have some of the books listed on, they do, so I'm off to get them.
07:48<witte>CarlDOT: apt-get install rutebook
07:48<twb>jpa: you want to lock the root account?
07:48<CarlDOT>What's that witte?
07:49<twb>witte: no shit.
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07:49<witte>CarlDOT: the book twb mentioned
07:49<twb>witte: wow
07:49<jpa>i want to remount it so i can login and change my account type and then i want to reset the pwd to the previos again
07:49<CarlDOT>does it come in print format?
07:49<twb>CarlDOT: probably
07:49<CarlDOT>and it's just called rute book?
07:49<witte>rutebook - Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book
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07:50<twb>CarlDOT: I achieve "print format" by email a PDF to my secretary and saying "hi, please get the print shop to run off a copy, ring bound, abort if >>$20"
07:51<twb>You can't get glue binding for single runs, it's not cost effective.
07:51<twb>There is for a few titles, but I've never tried it.
07:51<CarlDOT>I need me one of those secretaries
07:51<twb>CarlDOT: well, it's the company secretary
07:52<twb>But since I work for the company, he's my secretary too
07:52<jpa>isnt there a way to change the root pwd if you dont know it change some settings and then change it back to the unkown pwd?
07:52<CarlDOT>Sorry was just writing the title down so I can grab it in windows and export it to my phone
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07:52<twb>jpa: you need not ever know the root password.
07:53<twb>jpa: simply install sudo and give the %adm group the ability to escalate privileges to, say, /bin/sh.
07:53<twb>This is how Ubuntu and OS X work by default, btw.
07:54<jpa>@ twb what do i have to type into terminal?
07:54<CarlDOT>See I was just gonna head off until you mentioned OS X
07:54<CarlDOT>I want that on the laptop too
07:54<jpa>if i type sudo than i see the commands i am able to use
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07:55<twb>jpa: you are root now?
07:55<jpa>now i am not cause i dont have the root pwd.. :(
07:55<jpa>i am at work and there i cant use pidgin
07:55<twb>Become root, then come ask me
07:55<jpa>just licq
07:56<lupine_85>sudo passwd ftw
07:56<twb>lupine_85: he can't give himself permission to do that until he has root
07:56<lupine_85>by the sounds of it, it's not his machine
07:56<twb>jpa: actually, just run `sudo -l'
07:57<twb>jpa: tell us what it says
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07:57<jpa>it says i have to enter a pwd
07:57<jpa>its my working machine
07:57<lupine_85>mm, you enter your own user password to sudo
07:58<CarlDOT>I'm gonna get myself off round the library to get a couple of those books. Thanks for the chat, and the advice, especially about the "LUG"
07:58<jpa>no wait
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07:58<lupine_85>hehe. "User lupine may run the following commands on this host: (ALL) ALL"
07:58<twb>CarlDOT: be wary of any book on computing older than, say, a year
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07:58<jpa>Sorry, user jpa may not run sudo on
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07:58<twb>CarlDOT: probably your library doesn't have any useful unix books
07:58<lupine_85>well, there you go. Ask your administrator
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07:59<CarlDOT>I'm only getting ones listed on the debian site, they have a couple of them listed as available
07:59<twb>jpa: you should not be trying to suborn work machines without permission
07:59<lupine_85>or become a 1337 haxx00r
07:59<CarlDOT>you don't think it'll be worth it?
07:59<twb>CarlDOT: oh, well lucky you
07:59<lupine_85>CarlDOT: those books are for debian 3.1, I think
07:59<twb>3.1 is pretty damn old
07:59<CarlDOT> not worth it then
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07:59<jpa>hmm yes i know but i only want to install some apps like pidgin etc than the maschine is okay but the administrator has no time to do that i think
08:00<twb>Most good documentation will only be available online
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08:00<CarlDOT>is 4 completely different?
08:00<twb>Things change to quickly for print books
08:00<twb>4.0 has a lot of new stuff...
08:00<lupine_85>jpa: if you're doing it without the explicit consent of your network administrator (and if you had that, you'd have the means to install the programs), you're breaking the law. In the US & UK, at least
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08:01<twb>lupine_85: yeah but I break the law all the time
08:01<twb>lupine_85: like, when I cross the road
08:01<lupine_85>mm, me too. but I don't ask people to help me with it :)
08:01<zumbi>hello! do you know where are the dc7 videos?
08:01<twb>You bastards with your cheap bandwidth
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08:02<twb>Apparently .au is like the 6th most expensive country in the world to get internet in
08:02<CarlDOT>I think I'll leave doing anything until I see the group then, or at least get in touch with them
08:02<lupine_85>NZ is worse
08:02<twb>And South Korea is the cheapest
08:02<CarlDOT>UK isn't far behind
08:02<lupine_85>backhaul costs, I guess
08:02<@Ganneff>.au doesnt have internet - they have a slow copy of it which doesnt use cables but pigeons for the data transfer
08:02<CarlDOT>in terms of expense I mean
08:02<@Ganneff>but what does that have to do with #debian?
08:02<twb>Ganneff: pigeons have higher bandwidth than DSL
08:02<twb>Ganneff: didn't you read the RFC?
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08:03<twb>Sorry, my mind tends to wander
08:03<lupine_85>nah, the packet loss is too great
08:03<lupine_85>and the latency... ouch
08:03<twb>Yes, 25% loss
08:03<@Ganneff>you want to change the topic...
08:03[~]lupine_85 huggles his 8128/832kbps BB
08:04<twb>lupine_85: 8M?
08:04<lupine_85>yep, but it's the u/s I like most
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08:04<twb>I get half that when downloading from the ISP itself
08:05<twb>And like an eighth when downloading from
08:06<CarlDOT>The distro's are really quick to download here I must admit
08:06<CarlDOT>But the caps stop you from experimenting too much
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08:06<lupine_85>mmh. I'm unmetered offpeak, which makes me happy
08:06<CarlDOT>Debian Knoppix and Ubuntu on top of normal usage almost put me over last month
08:07<CarlDOT>and they were only live CD's
08:07<lupine_85>although, at £6/GB metered, I have to be careful during the day
08:07[~]petemc has uncapped 20meg/1meg
08:08<twb>I have a 10G/mo cap
08:08<petemc>my isp also has a usenet server, so i get binaries at pretty much the full speed of my connection
08:08<jm_>hmm I only have 5/2 uncapped
08:08<twb>Shared between four people
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08:08<CarlDOT>:-O £25/month for 50GBS with no throttling here
08:08<lupine_85>yum, ADSL2+
08:08<petemc>cable 4tw
08:08<lupine_85>I could get it here, but they don't do everything (even most things) I like
08:09<lupine_85>just raw speed
08:09<twb>petemc: I think you must get a better class of cable
08:09<twb>I'm on cable. It feels like the cable is just a rope with a monkey on each end that yells into an acoustic pickup
08:09<CarlDOT>I do a lot of media up and downloading though with friends, I'd either have to become unpopular or start buying distros to really play with them
08:10<twb>Yeah, remember them?
08:10<twb>They had them in War Games
08:11<CarlDOT>All they had in WG was chess
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08:11<CarlDOT>but I suppose we have GNU Chess, which by the way is much harder than the Windows version
08:12<CarlDOT>I beat Windows on top level difficulty 7 out of 9, I only managed to beat GNU twice
08:12<twb>That's because GNU doesn't pull punches
08:12<sheldonh>taken out of context, that's very funny. "I beat Windows on top level difficulty 7 out of 9"
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08:13<twb>sheldonh: "I beat the internet. The end boss is hard."
08:13<lupine_85>twb: I used the cheat code
08:13<twb>I used resedit
08:13<lupine_85>up; C; down; C; left; C; right; C; A+C+Start
08:13<twb>I made the kestrel $1
08:14<twb>(I'm lying, of course. Really I fly an Escape Pod, because they can't be shot down.)
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08:15<CarlDOT>I really am going now, thanks again guys, appreciate it :)
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08:29<[BiG-FReSH>Hi, is anyone here able to help me with a SrcDS question?
08:31<[BiG-FReSH>I know this is a Debian forum, but I've tried all options I know for tweaking the srcds, but have seen on a few forums, that my problem might be related to CONFIG_HZ in the config file
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08:35<jm_>what is SrcDS?
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08:37<[BiG-FReSH>it's a dedicated server for counter-strike source
08:37<[BiG-FReSH>(guess I might have mentioned that)
08:37<darkstar>only dedicated server for counter strike ??
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08:38<darkstar>i prefer the entire client for half life and counter strike for Linux (A native client without using wine)
08:38<[BiG-FReSH>well, I'm just running the dedicated server tool ...
08:39<[BiG-FReSH>and I'm not using any gui
08:40<twb>[BiG-FReSH: good for you!
08:40<[BiG-FReSH>anywho, my question is related to the servers fps ... it sux
08:40<[BiG-FReSH>i've tried it on 3 different box's, and a virtual machine run on vmware
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08:41<darkstar>the server program is for creating servers only :) In my opinion for the game are servers from all world
08:41<[BiG-FReSH>?? you lost me there, darkstar
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09:08<jeremiah>is there a way to pass a hook to configure when building a deb?
09:08<jeremiah>man debuild talks about hooks but nothing about configure
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09:09<aeneas>hi! I've a GPL/MIT-X11 license question. I've programmed a program licensed it under GPL. Somebody took it and wrapped a program using the MIT-X11 license around it (more permissive) -- is this OK? I thought: not (see Thanks!
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09:12<lupine_85>aeneas: IANAL, but it depends on whether the wrapping program is a derived work or not
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09:14<aeneas>lupine_85, It's a windows port.
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09:15<aeneas>lupine_85, and by choosing the GPL I wanted to omit that somebody can reuse it in a commercial product. and the GPL forbits linking to non-free code.
09:15<aeneas>so: GPL -> MIT-X11 -> proprietary is ok?
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09:15<aeneas>I hope not
09:16<lupine_85>well, that certainly /sounds/ like a potential violation
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09:16<[machine]>aeneas: the GPL does not prevent commercial reuse
09:16<lupine_85>the fsf has lawyers and things that'll talk to you about it, IIRC
09:16<lupine_85>[machine]: proprietary = closed, not commercial :)
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09:17<[machine]>lupine: i know... "omit that somebody can reuse it in a commercial product" -- aeneas
09:18<lupine_85>ah, yeah
09:18<[machine]>if he wants to prevent any commercial use, then obviously the GPL isn't appropriate
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09:21<[machine]>on a side node, the fsf lawyers are great
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09:24<aeneas>[machine], thanks.
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09:25<aeneas>so it would be possible to write a wrapper around fftw (, GPL library) and put the wrapper under MIT-X11 and then link to MIT-X11 in a closed source product?
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09:29<[machine]>aeneas: speak to fsf or
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09:30<[machine]>most likely that could be a violation, but there are ways to bypass it
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09:33<clay7>Salve a tutti
09:34<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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09:37<jeremiah>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cpan-libextutils-makemaker-perl_6.32-1_all.deb (--unpack):
09:37<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
09:37<alex__>alex__, !
09:38<alex__>alex_, !
09:38<alex_>i need some help
09:38<alex__>change your nick
09:38<alex__>should hekp
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09:38<Alex--->is good that nick ?
09:38<alex__>whats your problem
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09:38<Alex--->is about penggy
09:39<Alex--->i can`t make penggy to work with tcp/ip
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09:39<alex__>whats penggy?
09:39<Alex--->penggy is for connect to aol network
09:40<jeremiah>So dpkg will not write over a file that alredy exists?
09:40<azeem>jeremiah: not if it's from a different package
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09:40<jeremiah>trying to overwrite `/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP', which is also in package cpan-libextutils-manifest-perl
09:40<azeem>it will write over the same package's files, plus files it doesn't know about
09:40<jeremiah>azeem: Yeah, it is from a different package.
09:40<azeem>jeremiah: uh, /usr/local?
09:41<azeem>seems dh-make-perl is messing with you
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09:41<jeremiah>I am not using dh-make-perl, I am using CPANPLUS
09:41<Alex--->i will wait if someone can help me penggy over tcp/ip
09:42<jeremiah>Just to see how it works.
09:42<azeem>jeremiah: seems it doesn't work so great
09:42<jeremiah>And if I can build debs which can get uploaded into debian, once they have been looked at overcourse.
09:42<azeem>ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP looks like it's likely in every perl module
09:42<azeem>it shouldn't include that one
09:42<azeem>at least not in a general location
09:43<jeremiah>azeem: It shouldn't be in every perl mod, though probably many.
09:43<azeem>ok, not every
09:43<azeem>but a few at least it seems
09:43<jeremiah>probably any module built with MakeMaker
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09:44<azeem>maybe it's a bug in MakeMaker that it installs that MANIFEST
09:44<azeem>(no idea what's its use)
09:44<jeremiah>makeMaker is a perl module which creates a Makefile
09:44<jeremiah>but there are others like Module::Install and Build::Install
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09:45<azeem>then make that "maybe it's a bug in MakeMaker that it creates a Makefile that installs that MANIFEST" if it makes you happier :P
09:45<jeremiah>I am happy either way. :)
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09:45<jeremiah>I am not trying to be a dick or anything, just trying to figure this thing out.
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09:46<jeremiah>Is the best thing to do now, for the moment, before I file a bug report, is to remove the MANIFEST.SKIP file?
09:46<azeem>jeremiah: hrm, see
09:47<jeremiah>Ah, so it might just be this one package you mean?
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09:48<jeremiah>Just one MANIFEST.SKIP file?
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09:48<azeem>well, perl-modules looks like the right place for it, maybe
09:48<jeremiah>If so, that is convenient!
09:48<domoson>does anyone know good german irc-channels?
09:48<domoson>for debian
09:48<dpkg>well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
09:48<azeem>but maybe other perl modules should just append to it or so, dunno
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09:48<azeem>jeremiah: really, I've no idea what MANIFEST.SKIP is for
09:48<azeem>jeremiah: maybe inspect its content in both packages
09:49<jeremiah>azeem: It is a file that tells MakeMaker to skip certain files when creating the MANIFEST file.
09:49<jeremiah>pretty trivial
09:49<jeremiah>well, I suppose I shouldn't say that.
09:49<jeremiah>People will hit me.
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09:56<sheldonh>on console, how do i cause a kernel panic?
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09:58<sheldonh>i'm doing some linux md reliability testing, and want to see what happens under certain panic conditions
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09:58<the-dude>define panic ?
09:58<softwork> have problem getting sound
09:58<softwork>to work for my tv tuner which is Pinnacle Pctv stereo with saa7134
09:58<softwork>chipset. I have the internal audio connector connected to Aux in on my
09:58<softwork>sound card. I can get the picture but there is no sound.. why?
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09:59<sheldonh>the-dude: like, what you get when the kernel encounters an inconsistent state that it isn't sure how to recover from
09:59<softwork>i have problem getting sound to work for my tv tuner which is Pinnacle Pctv stereo with saa7134 chipset. I have the internal audio connector connected to Aux in on my sound card. I can get the picture but there is no sound.. why?
09:59<sheldonh>the-dude: more specifically, man 9 panic :)
09:59<softwork>big problem tell me
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10:00<the-dude>sheldonh, do you mean if a disk fails or something?
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10:01<sheldonh>the-dude: all sorts of things can cause panics. memory failures, bugs in ethernet drivers, whacko filesystem inconsistencies in resierfs
10:01<the-dude>sheldonh, nevermind
10:02<sheldonh>the-dude: you know what a kernel panic is, right? i'm just asking how to generate one, as with freebsd's DDB
10:02<the-dude>im not stupid
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10:02<sheldonh>the-dude: i'm not suggesting you are. your questions led me to believe we weren't on the same page
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10:03<azeem>sheldonh: maybe there's a SysRq for that
10:03<sheldonh>azeem: i was hoping so, but couldn't find one
10:04<the-dude>removing hardware will cause a panic :)
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10:04<the-dude>creating a oom might create a panic
10:04<the-dude>filling your disk might cause a panic
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10:35<rnn>how can I install flash plugin in my debian x64?
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10:37<Apostate>Hi all. Can anyone help newbie?
10:37<Apostate>How to enable CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G support? It seems that kernel compiled without highmem support. Is there any safe way to add highmem support using SSH connection? I have no physycal access to server.
10:37<Apostate>Real memory size is 2G.
10:37<Apostate> total used free shared buffers cached
10:37<Apostate>Mem: 906572 823784 82788 0 20900 110576
10:38<the-dude>Apostate, which kernel? old one ?
10:38<rnn>how can I install flash plugin in my debian x64? u now Ganneff ?
10:39<Apostate>Linux la2 2.6.22-1-486 #1 Sun Jul 29 13:59:48 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
10:39<rnn>Linux debian 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 01:14:54 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:40<alephnull>How does one install a package without installing its dependencies with aptitude ?
10:41<lupine_85>you can do it with dpkg
10:41<lupine_85>not really recommended though. they're dependencies for a reason
10:41<the-dude>Apostate, did you build the kernel yourself ?
10:42<lupine_85>that's the sid kernel
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10:42<Apostate>system installed by hoster
10:43<alephnull>lupine_85: Yes, but how does one pass the --force-depends option to aptitude ? And I do have a good reason to do this. I just want auctex, without emacs2[12], as I have a self-packaged emacs-unicode-2.
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10:45<lupine_85>you might be able to pass it through -o, if you work out the correct format (DPKG::Force::Depends? I dunno - never used that switch)
10:45<lupine_85>"see the section “Configuration file reference” in the aptitude reference manual."
10:46<lupine_85>or download the .deb and install it w/dpkg (which is what I'd do)
10:46<alephnull>lupine_85: Thanks. I'll fall back on dpkg if I can't figure it out in 10 mins.
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10:47<cahoot>Apostate, grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) says it's not enabled?
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10:48<Apostate># CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
10:48<Apostate># CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
10:48<the-dude>isn't highmem for machines with more then 4GB ?
10:49<Apostate>for more than 1G
10:49<Apostate>CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G for 1-4G
10:50<cahoot>Apostate, looks to me you need another kernel - no kernel line option can enable it
10:50<the-dude>bigmem package says 4-64GB
10:50<Apostate>hmm... and how can i get it?
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10:51<the-dude>apt-cache search bigmem and find your kernel
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10:51<cahoot>Apostate, I thought all later kernels were both smp and higmem
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10:52<Apostate>i thought same...
10:53<cahoot>Apostate, wait - I think it's the 486 thatsä the problem
10:53<mike>Hi! Can anybody tell me where to find complete description about PCI bus specific function? File pci.txt in Linux-source is good document, but it is not enough...
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10:53<cahoot>Apostate, the 686 kernels are smp and highmem IIRC
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10:54<Apostate>is it safe to change kernel without reinstaling whole system?
10:54<cahoot>of course - if done correct'
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10:54<Apostate>i have only SSH access, it 'll be sad if system 'll crash///
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10:56<witte>Apostate: I have reinstalled other kernels via ssh often. Mostly it works just fine
10:56<the-dude>upgrading a kernel requires some experience and I would not recommend it if you only have ssh access
10:56<cahoot>aptitude has the knowledge
10:56<lupine_85>some guy in here last night cost himself $150 that way
10:57<witte>lupine_85: yes, but that guy did not want to listen
10:57<lupine_85>he didn't, did he? :D
10:57<sasha>hi , i ve just compiled a new kernel and fixed all the problems but one remains , it is in my firewall , all the command modprobe iptables_nat ,contrack .... say FATAL: Module iptable_nat not found. what can i do ?
10:57<the-dude>yeah but what if something changes in the modules, or the init gets screwed, fysical acces would be nice :)
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10:58<lupine_85>sasha: you didn't compile all the iptables modules you need?
10:58<witte>the-dude: notice the "mostly" in my comment about installing kernels over ssh
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10:58<sasha>can i compile those modules withour recompiling the kernel ?
10:59<cahoot>sasha, xtables enabled?
10:59<Apostate>f###... i need that gb...
10:59<azeem>sasha: if you have your kernel build tree still around, sure
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10:59<sasha>azeem : how ? it sounds interesting
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11:00<azeem>sasha: did you compile your own kernel?
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11:00<sasha>yes with make-kpkg it is a 2.6.22 i have been obliged to use the last driver for a wifi card rt2570
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11:03<sasha>in witch sections can i see the iptables additionnal modules in menuconfig
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11:03<cahoot>hit / and search
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11:04<sasha>no no in menuconfig , all the netfilter s modules have been compiled , so where can be the problem ?
11:04<cahoot>sasha, xtables enabled?
11:04<Apostate>plug and pray...
11:05<sasha>cahoot , what is xtables ?
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11:06<Apostate>la2:~# uname -a
11:06<Apostate>Linux la2 2.6.22-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 01:40:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
11:06<Apostate>la2:~# free
11:06<Apostate> total used free shared buffers cached
11:06<Apostate>Mem: 2076464 282192 1794272 0 6492 161932
11:06<Apostate>-/+ buffers/cache: 113768 1962696
11:06<Apostate>Swap: 2650684 0 2650684
11:07<azeem>debhelper: ?
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11:09<sasha>i have made modprobe x_tables and it passed succesfullly but didnt resolve the problem any idea ? FATAL: Module ip_conntrack not found.
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11:15<castarco>hola :p
11:15<castarco>no está demasiado permitido hacer publicidad de nada verdad?
11:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:16<sasha>hi , i ve missing modules in /lib/modules/uname -a/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter ; how can i build those (it is iptables_nat) ........
11:16<castarco>I'm sorry :p
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11:21<|trippy|>Hi, I think I found a bug in "update-menus", since some hours back. When I type "update-menus" I receive an error: "In file "/usr/share/menu/kompare", at (or in the definition that ends at) line 2;:;?package(kompare): needs="x11"\T;Expected: "=";Skipping file because of errors...
11:22<sheldonh>google suggests that sysrq "c" causes an intentional crash, but it seems to be disabled in debian etch?
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11:22<sheldonh>i do echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger and i just get "SysRq: Trigger a crashdump" printed to console
11:23<|trippy|>I run Debian Lenny/Sid and update several times a week, so I guess it must be pretty new.
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11:28<witte>|trippy|: it works on this lenny box
11:28<witte>|trippy|: did you investigate the file they mention?
11:29<witte>|trippy|: and is it not a kompare issue (i have no file /usr/share/menu/kompare)
11:30<sasha>hi , ine make manuconfig how can i see the name of the file tat will be generated for a module cause i only see Defined at net/ipv4/netfilter/Kconfig:304
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11:39<|trippy|>witte: Hi, I was having an ordered lunch break... :)
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11:49<doub>hi there
11:51<doub>how come the lenny "weekly build" CD and DVD sets of weren't updated since may?
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11:54<mikegrb>doub: it's a long week
11:55<doub>mikegrb: i guess so
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12:02<posix> "It's official -- AMD will make code and specifications for ATI graphics cards available on the Internet on September 10."
12:03<fxiny>oh they like my money again ? : pecunia non olet :)
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12:04<posix>heh :)
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12:05<n3x>hey guys how would i update to the latest kernel using the default install from a CD ?
12:05<doub>posix: for free?
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12:06<the-dude>n3x, internet available on that machine?
12:06<n3x>its a dedicated box
12:07<n3x>that ive paied 300 dollars in the past 12 hours
12:07<n3x>to constanly have it reformatted
12:07<n3x>because i keep doing something wrong when i compile the kernel
12:07<the-dude>can't you use a stock kernel?
12:07<n3x>well see
12:08<n3x>i need the clock rate set at 1000, i need to use the high freqy timer and the no dysticks setting
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12:08<the-dude>and you can use grub to safe your @ss
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12:08<n3x>yes its using grub. what huh ? safe your @SS ?
12:08<_uplinkd_>good day everyone
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12:08<n3x>oh, how so ?
12:09<the-dude>safe you ass, just install a new kernel and if it doesn't boot , reboot the machine with the old kernel
12:09<the-dude>grub can do that :)
12:09<n3x>i dont have
12:09<n3x>remote KVM or serial access
12:09<n3x>they dont offer it, there only option other than restart is
12:09<the-dude>you won't need it if you keep the original kernel
12:10<n3x>it just needs to be rebooted?
12:10<n3x>thats it ?
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12:10<the-dude>yep and if it fails too boot you can tell what grub has to do after the reboot
12:10<n3x>or do they physically have ti hook up a keyboard and select the older kernal
12:10<vortex>just set a panic level in grub
12:10<the-dude>nope after it fails it can use the old working kernel
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12:11<n3x>so i just need to have them reboot it ? and it will go back to the old kernel ?
12:11<the-dude>but I have to go now, I will be back on later
12:11<_uplinkd_>i've got a "04:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS" and am using alsa, but the audio is coming out very distorted where would you all start with troubleshooting?
12:11<the-dude>you can reboot it yoursel
12:11<n3x>how ?
12:11<n3x>when i cant ACCESS IT
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12:12<n3x>your not making sense
12:12<n3x>my god -karma for yo
12:13<Eulex>basically, you're experimenting with recompiling kernels and such on a remote machine that you have no physical access to?
12:13<JasonS>Eulex: ouch nasty
12:13<n3x>im not experimenting
12:14<lupine_85>I can't think of a single operator that doesn't let you remotely reboot your machine
12:14<n3x>2.6. is suppose to have
12:14<n3x>1000 hz by default
12:14<n3x>yet debian has it set to 250
12:14<nom>Hello I am using Debian Etch XFCE and I am having trouble downloading security updates. Using synaptic I get these errors
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12:14<n3x>if the machine reboots ?
12:14<Eulex>n3x, depends on what 2.6. newer 2.6 kernels have a 250 option, which I think is the default now.
12:14<lupine_85>nope. 2.6.13 (when the option was first introduced) set it to 250Hz
12:14<n3x>will it default to the old working kernal
12:15<Eulex>if your grub config is set to boot that kernel; yes.
12:15<n3x>i just did the dpkg - i kernal.deb
12:15<n3x>and it auto installed it
12:15<n3x>into grub
12:15<Eulex>n3x, still check your grub config.
12:15<n3x>and i issued a shutdown -r now
12:16<Eulex>n3x, basically, if you compile and install a new kernel and then boot it from remote, if it fails to boot, there's not much to do.
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12:16<n3x>other then
12:16<vortex>add panic=10 to the kernel options
12:16<n3x>what does that do ?
12:16<vortex>and hae grub default to a working kernel
12:17<vortex>it forces grub to reboot the machine in the event of a kernel panic 10 seconds later
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12:18<lupine_85>of course, the kernel might not be panicking...
12:18<vortex>but there is no way to know if it is not
12:18<n3x>so will it just constantly reboot ?
12:19<vortex>if it has the faulty kernel as the default boot then yes
12:19<_uplinkd_>no ideas?
12:19<n3x>so how would i make the new kernel i compiled a TEST kernel
12:19<n3x>and if it fucks up
12:19<lupine_85>_uplinkd_: I'd start with the volume and other controls in alsamixer
12:19<n3x>it will reboot and default back to old on
12:19<vortex>i dont think the Audigies work properly under alsa
12:20<vortex>i wasnt able to get surround properly working under mine
12:21<nom>Hello I am using Debian Etch XFCE and I am having trouble downloading security updates. Using synaptic I get these errors
12:21<Eulex>n3x, why do you need that special kernel config on a server?
12:22<lupine_85>for his 1337 gaming serv0r
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12:39<nom>Hello I am using Debian Etch XFCE and I am having trouble downloading security updates. Using synaptic I get these errors
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12:44<niwt>nom, I just looked at your stuff
12:44<niwt>one thing you need to do is import the gpg key for debian-multimedia
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12:45<niwt>and I'm not sure about the other problem, but your /etc/apt/sources.list might have a line that's wrong
12:45<s4br3>Hi, I have been trying to install Conky several ways now. Installation is fine, but Icannot get rid of the terminal window associated with it... Sorry, but really need your kind help!
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12:46<niwt>s4br3: make a panel button to start it
12:46<nom>niwt, i dont need this multimedia repository i was going to remove it anyways
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12:48<niwt>nom, check your sources.list - mine has this - deb etch/updates main contrib
12:49<qbit>s4br3: set "background yes" in .conkyrc
12:50<s4br3>Ok, I'll try it
12:52<kop>nom : The very first time you do an "update" after adding a repository you get an error message like line 31. And you probably don't need the netinstall cd in your sources.list any more.
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12:53<s4br3>Ok, it works! :) What should I do to make it survive a reboot?
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12:56<s4br3>thanks, I'll try a reboot! Cheers!
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13:31<shawn_>hello, i 'd like to setup gnome to startofff beryl each boot
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13:34<Raaku>Help please
13:34<shawn_>how do i change the proprietary of one folder?
13:34<shawn_>raaku ask your question
13:34<Raaku>i'm wondering if anyone here can recompile sane backends
13:34<Raaku>for arm
13:34<Raaku>with my sane package i've modded
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13:35<Raaku>or where i would find sane -- debian --- arm source
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13:35<shawn_>hought you had a newbie question
13:35<fxiny>shawn_: there are no folders but dirs : man chown
13:35<Raaku>sorry no
13:36<lupine_85>the sources are all in the debian repository
13:36<lupine_85>as to whether they'll compile under arm.. well, suck it and see. C is /supposed/ to be portable :D
13:37<shawn_>how do i put beryl as the default wm in gnome?
13:37<shawn_>so it runs at each boot?
13:37<Raaku>yes i'm lookin on the debian website and can't find sources
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13:37<Raaku>all i find is precompiled packages
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13:37<lupine_85>Raaku: copy your current deb line in sources.list for your debian repo, and change "deb" to "deb-src"
13:37<shawn_>oscar type /join debian-es
13:38<lupine_85>then you can apt-get source <binary package name>, and it'll download the source package that binary package came from
13:38<Raaku>can't i just look online
13:38<lupine_85>sure you can
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13:39<lupine_85>e.g. in <-- .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .
13:40<lupine_85>erm, .diff.gz
13:40<lupine_85>but apt-get source is a much saner interface
13:40<shawn_>cna somone tell me how do i put bery to run each time gnome start?
13:40<lupine_85>if you'll pardon the pun :)
13:40<lupine_85>shawn_: stick it in your gnome session
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14:03<sasha>hi , for a particular prog , i need to have the /usr/X11R6/include directory , how can i get it ?
14:03<the_bull>hello all
14:03<azeem>sasha: it's deprecated, fix the prog
14:03<the_bull>i am facing problem with my onboard graphics card in debian
14:03<sasha>ok where are the include now ?
14:03<the_bull>it should show 1024X768 resolution... but it shows 800X600
14:03<azeem>sasha: /usr/include/X11 I think
14:03<the_bull>my graphics is: intel 865GBF builtin 64 MB
14:04<sasha>azeem : thanks a lot
14:04<the_bull>do i need additional drivers here
14:04<azeem>the_bull: what does "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | tail -1" say?
14:04<the_bull>please dude help me
14:04<azeem>the_bull: chill
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14:09<sasha>hi , as coming from the AIX/work , windows/personnal world i decided 6 month ago to switch my personnal comps to linux, i tried almost all the distrib and i must say that debian is the greatest one , all the guys particpating in this community deserve a great tap on the ack ...continue
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14:15<sasha>azeem : the same question for /user/X11/Lb , where is it located now ?
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14:18<the_bull>azeem, the output is this: Driver "kbd"
14:18<the_bull> Driver "mouse"
14:18<the_bull> Driver "i810"
14:18<darkstar>what happen?
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14:19<the_bull>azeem, r u there?
14:20<darkstar>the_bull, what happen?
14:20<chealer>the_bull: please publish your X log
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14:22<the_bull>chealer, where is X log?
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14:22<chealer>the_bull: in /var/log/
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14:23<GB>hi, how many GB should I allocate on the hdd to install knoppix v5.x dvd?
14:23<the_bull>chealer, do u want to paste whole thing here???? it`s big dude
14:23<darkstar>GB, whatever you want :)
14:23<chealer>!tell the_bull about u
14:23<chealer>the_bull: no
14:23<chealer>!tell the_bull about paster
14:24<padski>Thought I might dist-upgrade to lenny. apt would like upgrade vim, but leave the rest alone. aptitude would like to upgrade locales, remove chunks of Ooo (and other stuff? it is not really clear). Did I miss a trick ?
14:24<darkstar>with 5 GB will be sufficient for an installation :)
14:24<GB>darkstar: k, but what is the minimun?
14:24<GB>5 GB, thanks!
14:24<GB>is thee a driver vor nVidia GeForce 8600M GS ?
14:24<the_bull>chealer, i cannot get you... what do u want me to do? Paste the whole file here????
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14:25<jeremiah>the_bull: Do not paste files larger than 4 lines here, people will be very angry.
14:25<chealer>the_bull: no. did you see the factoid sent to you by dpkg?
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14:34<valdyn>padski: aptitude has an extended package database, rtm..
14:34[~]fxiny is still morphed into the same fridge of yesterday , just to get piper beer :)
14:34<valdyn>padski: ( not more packages, more meta info )
14:34<piper>fxiny: damn, i knew a few were missing ;)
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14:35<valdyn>padski: also, dependency resolution has a different algorithm in each
14:35<fxiny>piper: i was waiting for you move ;)
14:37[~]fxiny watching some capoeira avi
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14:50<s0rk>hi #debian
14:51<s0rk>how can i change the last actions of tasksel?
14:51<Myon>hmm, there's /var/log/dpkg.log
14:51<Myon>are the packages already installed?
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14:54<the_bull>chealer, i pasted it..
14:55<chealer>the_bull: please paste the URL of the paste here
14:55<the_bull>chealer, watch it here:
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14:57<chealer>the_bull: which X session type do you use?
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14:59<the_bull>chealer, gnome
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15:01<s0rk>yes, Myon
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15:03<chealer>the_bull: does $ xrandr |grep 1024x768; output something?
15:04<Myon>s0rk: I'd grep the dpkg log
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15:05<s0rk>is a undo funktion in dpkg?
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15:06<the_bull>chealer, it`s shows nothing
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15:06<s0rk>can i grep the last installed packages in /var/log/dpkg and deinstall them all
15:07<chealer>the_bull: what's the highest resolution you see in $ xrandr; 's output?
15:07<n3x>ewhat does adding panic =10 after the settings menu.1st in the grub bootup ? what does that do ?
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15:09<vortex>cant you change the timer frequency through proc?
15:09<the_bull>chealer, 1280x1024
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15:09<ben_goodger>good luck editing proc
15:09<vortex>but it can be done, can it not?
15:10<chealer>the_bull: please publish your X11 configuration file.
15:10<chealer>the_bull: yes
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15:10<the_bull>chealer, xorg.conf?
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15:22<padski>so "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED" will be due to this extra aptitude state as well ?
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15:24<chealer>padski: yes
15:24<tcsetattr>yeah, that's aptitude's way of saying "if you didn't use aptitude to install these packages, you must not want them!"
15:25<the_bull>chealer, xorg.conf poste
15:25<the_bull>chealer, *posted
15:26<n3x>when upgrading my kernel from 2.6.18 to should i use the OLD config file under /boot when i make menuconfig it ?
15:27<tcsetattr>what's it up to now, $75 * 10?
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15:27<chealer>the_bull: strange. if you don't mind, what kind of screen do you use?
15:28<the_bull>chealer, means what?
15:28<chealer>the_bull: are you on a laptop?
15:28<the_bull>chealer, desktop, 17 inch
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15:28<chealer>the_bull: CRT or LCD?
15:28<padski>does apt-get|aptitude upgrade hold back from installing a package if it would make a currently not installed package uninstallable ?
15:29<the_bull>chealer, crt
15:29<lupine_85>wouldn'y think so, padski
15:29<padski>n3x: you could try it, but whay not grab the one from sid ?
15:29<aptituz>hopefully aptitude will not be so rigorous next days
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15:29<aptituz>cause on some of my systems all of the packages aren't installed by aptitude ;))
15:29<padski>so then why will it never upgrade anything ?
15:30<padski>... hang on ...
15:30<tcsetattr>I found that you can reset aptitude's idea of "wanted packages" to the currently installed packages by doing a purge and reinstall of aptitude
15:30<lupine_85>aptitude install aptitude? ;)
15:31<lupine_85>ZOMG it doesn't work
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15:32<lupine_85>I feel graced by his presence
15:33<chealer>the_bull: which Debian suite do you use?
15:33<the_bull>chealer, Etch
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15:34<chealer>the_bull: isn't your X log paste truncated? the last line reads "(II) M"
15:36<the_bull>chealer, i don`t get your point
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15:37<chealer>the_bull: I think what I see in is incomplete. "M" doesn't mean anything itself, it must be the start of a line.
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15:39<the_bull>chealer, but this is exactly what i hv in my /etc/X11/
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15:40<valdyn>the_bull: more like /var/log/
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15:42<gatotamy>alguna persona
15:42<gatotamy>soy nuevo en linux
15:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:43<gatotamy>tengo unas dudas
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15:43<dkr>you have fingers?
15:44<dkr>oh, fingers are dedos, dudas are doubts. :)
15:44<padski>hey! my wifi is better :-)
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15:46<dpkg>[hu] Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
15:46<the_bull>chealer, ny update?
15:46<dkr>padski: bad guess. :)
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15:47<padski>dkr: I tried :-)
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15:48<padski>looks like ru in fact. do they even use cyrillic in hungary (magyar, yes??) ?
15:48<chealer>the_bull: what?
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15:49<the_bull>chealer, what means what? :) hv u solved my problem?
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15:49<chealer>the_bull: oh, you just meant "any update".
15:50<chealer>the_bull: could you paste another X log, perhaps Xorg.1.log, instead?
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15:51<the_bull>chealer, let`s see...
15:52<the_bull>chealer, but, there is only one there... Xorg.0.log
15:52<the_bull>chealer, no 1 or 2... just 0
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15:52<chealer>the_bull: did you just install Debian?
15:53<the_bull>ya... couples of days ago
15:53<chealer>the_bull: restart X, then check if you have an old log to paste
15:53<the_bull>chealer, do u need an old log?
15:54<chealer>the_bull: I'd like to see the current log after X closed it. it should become an "old" log if you restart X
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15:56<tcsetattr>the "0" in Xorg.0.log refers to the display number (:0) not any log rotation scheme
15:56<chealer>tcsetattr: ah
15:57<chealer>the_bull: then check for a Xorg.0.log.old
15:57[~]tcsetattr remembers when the X server just wrote to stderr and you did 2>log if you wanted a log
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16:33<janux-xmind>can sommeone help me to use xen
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16:35<kdean06>I've got two identical systems, one running Debian Sid and the other not running anything. The only internet access my other system has is a rt2500 wireless card, which I see the sources are availible for in the repos. First question, does the nightly installer auto-detect this card, and if NOT, is there anyway I can hack the install process to use that card to do a Lenny/Sid netinstall?
16:39<janux-xmind>does someone use xen?!
16:39<chealer>kdean06: 1. no.
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16:40<janux-xmind>so where do i go to get help on it?
16:40<janux-xmind>help on xen
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16:41<chealer>kdean06: 2. more or less. you could probably obtain rt2500-source in an alternative way
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16:42<kdean06>chealer, I suppose it's not getting the sources that are the problem, I've got a compatible .deb built with the modules. But can I make d-i use them to do a net install?
16:43<chealer>kdean06: if you really mean installing in the normal way, done at the first reboot, not AFAIK.
16:44<kdean06>I'll have to get inventive. :P
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16:47<kdean06>Any idea WHY the rt2500 modules aren't default? Were they deemed non-free, or has that just not worked it's way into d-i yet?
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16:50<chealer>kdean06: unless, of course, you weren't planning to install any non-standard package
16:50<chealer>kdean06: no out-of-tree modules "work their way into d-i"
16:51<kdean06>Oh. Okay. ;)
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16:54<chealer>except by working their way in the main Linux tree, obviously
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17:01<newuser>hello :)
17:02<newuser>can someone tell me how to configure my Xf86 server please, monitor resolution,frequency and video driver?
17:03<chealer>newuser: which Debian suite do you use?
17:03<newuser>i have tryed "xf86config" but i don't have the command on my machine :(
17:03<newuser>4 rc 0.1
17:03<chealer>newuser: 4.0r1?
17:03<chealer>newuser: you mean, right?
17:04<newuser>is the correct version
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17:04<newuser>i want to get Open Gl support for my Ati radeon 2600 Pro videocard
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17:04<knoppix_>anyone in this room
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17:04<knoppix_>ANYONE IN HERE
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17:04<jeremiah>only us elves.
17:05<newuser>chealer: can you help me, please?
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17:05<chealer>newuser: you want to configure, not XFree86, right?
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17:05<newuser>chealer: right
17:05<chealer>!tell Guest2867 about caps
17:05<ameyers>is anyone here familiar with mono?
17:05<newuser>but both xorgconfig and xf86config are missing
17:05<Guest2867>oh sorry guys
17:06<newuser>as commands
17:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
17:06<chealer>!drxx newuser
17:06<dpkg>newuser: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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17:06<jeremiah>God I love dpkg. :)
17:06<newuser>dpkg: 10x
17:06<dpkg>hmm... 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls>
17:06<Guest2867>can some one help with with some wireless hacking problems as i am trying to test my network
17:06<newuser>i will try this right on
17:07<ameyers>I am trying to figure out how to configure my bash shell to execute .net exe's without typing in "mono" each time
17:07<chealer>Guest2867: if you're not using Debian, this is the wrong channel to ask.
17:07<jeremiah>Guest2867: Please, please be specific. What error messages are you getting, etc.
17:07<Guest2867>arrr ok
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17:07<newuser>the result is: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed
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17:08<newuser>it is the first -
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17:08<jeremiah>newuser: You are not using xserver-xfree86 I would guess.
17:08<newuser>10x to all :)
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17:08<newuser>many thanks
17:08<newuser>i remember now :)
17:08<newuser>it is easy from here
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17:09<newuser>is there a driver for Ati radeon 2600 Pro ? and can i get OpenGl direct rendering support?
17:09<newuser>can someone tell me please
17:09<ameyers>I've used ATI cards with linux before
17:09<ameyers>but not that model
17:09<ameyers>they have a one-size-fits-all driver install
17:10<newuser>what about OpenGl support?
17:10<ameyers>worked great
17:11<ameyers>2.6.10 kernel
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17:12<ameyers>I tried the same driver with other kernel versions, and the driver didn't work right with open gl
17:12<ameyers>but I have had it work with that version
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17:14<newuser>i am restarting now
17:14<newuser>keep your finger crossed
17:14<newuser>bye for now
17:14<newuser>thanks a lot!
17:14<ameyers>good luck
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17:16<nobbby>hello, is there a way of mixing stable with testing or unstable releases? i want most of the system in stable but need latest versions of some packages
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17:17<seanius>nobbby: either backports or apt pinning
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17:17<seanius>backports are generally recommended if the package you want is available
17:17<nobbby>thanks for answering
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17:20<jeremiah>I have a chroot running lenny/sid for development. I want to ssh in there from outside. ssh works on the other part of my box on port 22, so I asked sshd to listen on 2222 on my sid chroot. However, once I log in it just hangs. What's up with that?
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17:21<Myon>jeremiah: I'd recomment using dchroot or schroot instead
17:22<jeremiah>Myon: dchroot or schroot? I will check those out. Thanks!
17:22<Myon>for the ssh problem, try -d or something
17:22<Myon>but chrooting is much better
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17:23<jeremiah>Myon: Well, not really, if you want some one to come in from the outside.
17:23<jeremiah>To do chroot they have to be root
17:23<jeremiah>and I do not want to give out that password. :)
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17:24<lupine_85>sudo is your answer
17:25<lupine_85>the problem you're having with ssh sounds familiar
17:25<lupine_85>the pseudoterminals!
17:25<jeremiah>lupine_85: You mean just let someone ssh in and then use sudo to the chrooted dir?
17:25<lupine_85>jeremiah: well, you can have their login command as chroot /path/to/chroot and that achieves the same thing
17:25<jeremiah>Yeah, I set that up from the debian manual 'tips' section, but it went too smoothly i think.
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17:26<jeremiah>lupine_85: Whoah. Cool. I am a chroot n00b I guess.
17:26<lupine_85>if you want a seperate ssh instance, you need to make sure there are suitable pseudoterminals in the /dev of your chroot, IIRC
17:26<lupine_85>I remember trying to set this up myself, a long time ago
17:26<EmleyMoor>I can't switch to other audio devices in audacity - I used to be able to but it only offers me /dev/dsp now
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17:27<jeremiah>lupine_85: I did the tty8 dance but I think there is a problem because the -vvv output from ssh shows that I have logged in and login shell should spawn but it doesn't
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17:28<EmleyMoor>I will be replacing my faulty sound card tomorrow or on Saturday as well, I hope
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17:29<n3x>how do i download the current kernels source ?
17:29<lupine_85>jeremiah: I don't know what a tty8 dance is :). using just the one chroot instance and having the login command in /etc/password to be "/usr/sbin/chroot /path/to/chroot /path/to/shell/within/chroot" should work
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17:29<lupine_85>n3x: apt-get install linux-source-<kernel major version>
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17:30<lupine_85>e.g. 2.6.21
17:30<jeremiah>lupine_85: Thank you, I will do that. :^)
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17:30<EmleyMoor>I would like to be able to use audacity to play to /dev/dsp2 but it doesn't offer me anything but /dev/dsp at the moment
17:31<EmleyMoor>(I can nevertheless use /dev/dsp2 with, say, play)
17:31<jeremiah>lupine_85: by tty8 dance I meant this:
17:31<EmleyMoor>Is there something I need to do to enable use of /dev/dsp2 in audacity?
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17:33<lupine_85>ah, I see what you mean
17:33<lupine_85>but ssh doesn't use ttys, it uses ptys
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17:33<jeremiah>pyts are pseudo terminals and ttys are actual terminals?
17:34<lupine_85>yep. what were you doing for /dev inside the chroot?
17:35<jeremiah>Umm . . . I dunno.
17:35<jeremiah>Or rather gggg
17:35<lupine_85>heh. What I normally do is mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev
17:36<jeremiah>But now I am set on your previous suggestion since it seems simpler and more maintainable for me.
17:36<lupine_85>yeah, it is a lot easier
17:36<jeremiah>Would the line in /etc/passwd look like this:
17:36<lupine_85>if you want to read up on ptys, "man pts" is your friend
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17:37<jeremiah>jo3:x:1003:1004:Joe Smith,,:/usr/sbin/chroot:/chroot/path:/bin/bash ?
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17:37<jeremiah>^^ /etc/passwd entry
17:37<EmleyMoor>Is there a specific channel for audacity?
17:37<n3x>how do EXTRACT A PATCH ? thats name patch-2.6.18-cks1
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17:38<lupine_85>no, : delimits different fields
17:38<jeremiah>n3x: You might want to look at quilt.
17:38<jeremiah>It applys various patches.
17:38<tcsetattr>the verb that goes with "patch" is usually "apply", not "extract".
17:38<nobbby>the packages i need from unstable and testing branches are not in backports. is there a way of telling apt to only use stable branch and only use testing or unstable when i specify to?
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17:38<n3x>how to i apply it to my /usr/src/linux-2.6.18/ dir ?
17:38<lupine_85>/usr/sbin/chroot /chroot/path /bin/bash <-- all one field
17:38<tcsetattr>you don't have to "extract" a patch because a patch is a diff. It's human-readable text, which the patch(1) utility also happens to be able to parse
17:39<jeremiah>lupine_85: Ah! Thank you.
17:39<lupine_85>n3x: generally with patch -pX < patchfile
17:39<lupine_85>but linux-source-* comes with the patches already applied
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17:39<lupine_85>I quote: "Description: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.21 with Debian patches"
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17:40<n3x>mv linux-2.6.18 linux-2.6.18-cks1
17:40<lupine_85>there are no guarantees that that patch will apply cleanly to the debian sources
17:41<lupine_85>and I'm *guessing* that you'd want -p1
17:41<tcsetattr>and here's a tip: always do patch --dry-run first, to test if you've got everything right. That way if you've used the wrong options it'll tell you without screwing up half the files first
17:41<lupine_85>(if running patch from within the linux source directory)
17:41<n3x>so wait
17:41<lupine_85>n3x: if any of the debian-specific patches touch any areas that patch touches, then some of the hunks could fail
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17:41<TMcTrain>some problem with my system Image:
17:41<TMcTrain>I made a copy of my HDD for use in a identical PC, the copy works, system boot and funktioning, except network connection.
17:41<TMcTrain>eth0 isn't possible to connect:
17:41<TMcTrain>ifconfig eth0 -> device not found
17:41<TMcTrain>the systems are identical except the MAC and type of HDD
17:41<TMcTrain>any idear?
17:41<n3x>what commands do i need to run
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17:42<lupine_85>first, you need to understand what you're doing
17:42<n3x>For Compiling a Debian Kernel:
17:42<n3x>im applying a patch
17:42<n3x>that includes high timer freq
17:42<tcsetattr>n3x is all about the doing, not the understanding
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17:42<n3x>i understand what im doing it
17:42<n3x>its just im not sure HOW do it
17:43<lupine_85>I told you /how/ to do it ^ up there ^
17:43<lupine_85>whether it'll work properly is an entirely different matter
17:44<nobbby>sorry to bother again, i'm trying one last time =): can anyone point me out some keyword for me to research a way of using _some_ packages of testing and unstable branches while the system is in stable?
17:44<n3x>patch -p1
17:44<lupine_85>that'll strip off everything up to and including the first / of every file name
17:44<lupine_85>(for each hunk)
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17:46<nobbby>or better can i specify package versions to download ?
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17:46<lupine_85>nobbby: if you have the packages available in your sources.list, apt-get install <package>=<version> lets you specify the version
17:46<lupine_85>you can specify the release you want to install the package from with -t <release>
17:47<nobbby>oh, that's what i was looking for, thanks! =)
17:47<lupine_85>and you can give different releases different priorities, so the default can be set to etch, for instance (but I don't know how to do this last one)
17:47<nobbby>that would be great, i will research it
17:47<lupine_85>so I just add the unstable repo, install the package, then remove the unstable repo :)
17:48<lupine_85>dirty hacks ftw
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17:51<jeremiah>User joe not allowed because shell /usr/sbin/chroot /sid-chroot/home/joe/ /bin/bash does not exist
17:51<jeremiah>I must have put the chroot line in the wrong spot.
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17:51<lupine_85>jeremiah: /sid-chroot, not /sid-chroot/home/joe
17:51<lupine_85>but I don't know if /etc/passwd is going to have problems with the spaces or not...
17:52<lupine_85>if it does, then you'll have to write a shell-script (just a one-liner: that line! :) ) that gets run as the login shell
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17:53<jeremiah>lupine_85: Hmm, clever
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17:58<klys>what are some good reasons to recommend java as a beginning programming language for algorithmic programming?
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17:59[~]lupine_85 thinks
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17:59<lupine_85>sorry, can't help you
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18:04<jeremiah>lupine_85: /c
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18:04<jeremiah>sorry lupine_85, I meant to ask about going the sudo route. Should I just have an ordinary ssh login, then put the user in sudoers file so they can chroot?
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18:06<lupine_85>jeremiah: yeah, that's another option. you can give them root privileges for /only/ the chroot command
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18:07<lupine_85>although, that could be a security risk if they can, say, "sudo chroot /"
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18:07<jeremiah>Yeah, I think that might best, the person I am letting in is a friend of mine.
18:07<jeremiah>And I can log in to his machine as well. >:)
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18:09<tcsetattr>you can of course write a script containing the exact command you want, and make that sudo-able.
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18:16<hazard2>to what tcsetattr said: but not editable by this 'friend'
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18:36<somae>I want to install zlib but there's no debian package for it and the source is giving errors about not finding needed files
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18:37<tcsetattr>of course there's a zlib package in debian
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18:38<somae>the package search page couldn't find it except in another package
18:38<tcsetattr>apt-cache search zlib finds several
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18:39<somae>I tried doing apt-cache search but I'm not sure how to setup sources.list for it
18:39<tcsetattr>and a lot of other crap.
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18:40<tcsetattr>zlib1g and zlib1g-dev would be the important pieces.
18:40<haseo>anyone knows some good informers i dont know how are they called, ive tried gdesklets but it is too buggy anyone know any good others?
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18:41<Internat>stupid question, if i remember correctly non privlidges users cant use ports below 1024..
18:41<Internat>is there a way i can make it so that a specific user can?
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18:43<somae>apt-cache search zlib-1.2.3 (& zlib-1.1.4) brings up nothing
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18:44<tcsetattr>you're being too demanding in your search.
18:45<tcsetattr>the exact string "zlib-1.2.3" is not in the description.
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19:02<somae>the debian package search page says that libz.a can be found in /usr/lib64 of lib64z1-dev but it isn't there (I installed the package)
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19:03<somae>(I need libz.a to install another package)
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19:04<tcsetattr>do you want the 64-bit version?
19:04<tcsetattr>that's what lib64 would be
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19:06<somae>oh - I downloaded the i386 version - the other packages didn't list i386
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19:10<somae>found it - thanks -
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19:20<somae>libz.a is supposed to be in zlib1g-dev in /usr/lib but it's not there
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19:25<peterS>somae: eh? it is there on my system. what version of zlib1g-dev do you have? 'dpkg -l zlib1g-dev' will tell
19:26<somae>zlib1g-dev (1:1.2.3-13)
19:27<peterS>somae: according to that file should be there in that version
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19:28<tcsetattr>whatever you're trying to build should probably use the shared lib anyway
19:28<oddtod>hey guys i'm wondering where my wep /wpa keys are kept on my debian box?
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19:33<somae>I thought I had installed zlib1g-dev but it seems like it didn't install - trying again
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19:50<somae>I'm having a problem installing openssl - dpkg is saying: Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
19:50<somae>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
19:50<somae>not sure how to correct this
19:51<peterS>why are you installing openssl?
19:51<somae>it's needed for mixmaster
19:51<peterS>so what you want is libssl-dev, probably, not openssl
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19:53<tcsetattr>that's just the _header_ of the dpkg -l list. you see all the error indicators not because there was an error but because it's trying to tell you what the letters in the first 2 columns mean.
19:53<tcsetattr>don't worry, nobody understands it.
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19:54<somae>mixmaster install says I need to install openssl -
19:55<somae>and won't install
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19:55<n3x>how do you test if your kernel that you compiled is working ?
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19:56<Groom>anyone who speaks norwegian here?
19:56<peterS>somae: it is almost certainly wrong. you almost certainly need libssl-dev. believe us or don't believe us, but if you don't believe us, why bother to ask
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19:57<tcsetattr>I don't know why you say that's wrong. libssl-dev _is_ openssl
19:57<peterS>well, but the debian "openssl" package is not what the software wants, is what I'm saying
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19:58<tcsetattr>you can't expect the whole world to use the term "openssl" to mean "just the things which debian has chosen to put in the .deb named openssl" - that's a small subset of what openssl actually IS.
19:59<tcsetattr>somae interpreted it wrongly, maybe. but that doesn't make the documentation wrong
19:59<peterS>this is why I'm trying to tell him what he wants instead
19:59<peterS>I know libssl-dev provides the openssl library. he doesn't know that. I'm trying to put the world into a state where he does know that.
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20:01<tcsetattr>there's a debian package called "mixmaster", I wonder if that'd be good enough
20:02<peterS>or if not good enough, perhaps 'apt-get build-dep mixmaster' would save some time
20:03<weasel>mixmaster's "build-system" is an abomination
20:03<weasel>it comes straight out of the 1940s or something
20:03<peterS>that is possible
20:04<weasel>you can tell it was written by somebody who heard of unix the week before. and we never got enough momentum to fix it
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20:06<weasel>somae: so what exactly is wrong with the package?
20:07<somae>I tried installing mixmaster using aptitude and it doesn't function - then I downloaded the source and got alot of errors about missing files - so now I'm trying to install the packages that have the missing files
20:08<somae>(aptitude installed mixmaster - but it doesn't function)
20:08<tcsetattr>apt-get build-dep mixmaster is definitely a good time-saving idea for you
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20:13<somae>apt-get build-dep is saying I need to add some source uri's to sources.list - not sure how to do that
20:13<tcsetattr>grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list | sed 's/deb/deb-src/' >> /etc/apt/sources.list
20:14<jagerman>somae: Duplicate your 'deb ...' lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, changing 'deb' to 'deb-src'
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20:14<jagerman>(or just run tcsetattr's command, which does just that)
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20:15<weasel>somae: what do you mean with "it doesn't function"?
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20:16<somae>the test emails bounce
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20:16<weasel>what's the obounce message?
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20:18<somae>"mailing to remote domains not supported"
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20:19<weasel>and who said that?
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20:19<weasel>that doesn't sound like a mixmaster error message. more like a broken mail setup of yours
20:19<weasel>which MTA are you using?
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20:20<mikegrb>weasely mta
20:20<yujin>how to get the charset list for "mount",please?
20:21<somae>exim although mix is setup for sendmail
20:21<weasel>does your exim know how to mail the internet?
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20:23<somae>I tried configuring it - but that's why I'm now trying to install mix from the source
20:26<somae> apt-get build-dep mixmaster
20:26<somae>Reading package lists... Done
20:26<somae>Building dependency tree... Done
20:26<somae>E: Build-dependencies for mixmaster could not be satisfied.
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20:28<somae>don't know how to use the paster bot
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20:30<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
20:30<recklessop>is there anyway to strip my laptops install down to the bare essentials and start over ? without reloading
20:30<jagerman>somae: Did you do an apt-get update after changing sources.list?
20:30<weasel>also, building from source won't fix your broken exim config
20:31<jagerman>You could, I suppose, just switch to postfix.
20:31<oscar>good evenning, i wnat to know , how to configure bluetooth audio
20:31<weasel>which won't solve having a broken mail setup either
20:31<oscar>please somebody helpme
20:31<jagerman>Maybe it'll be easier to fix
20:32<oscar>i have a problems with authentication
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20:33<recklessop>basically i had mad wifi drivers and a kernel installed that i dont want to lose, and my window manager is working great, but its an old laptop and only 5 gig of hard drive space
20:33<somae>jagerman: yes
20:33<jagerman>Yes what?
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20:34<somae>well - thanks everyone - got to get going -
20:35[~]jagerman cheers for another open relay appearing on your local internets real soon.
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20:37<lucas_amorim>hello, I am trying to compile and install a driver for my via video card (which is not supported by the standard via driver that comes w/ xorg). I used this command "svn co" inside a directory I created. Then I ./ . The problem is: what is next? I remember that it is something to do with dpkg-buildpackage ...
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20:57<oscar>somebody helpme about the audio bluetooth
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20:57<oscar>i have a problems with authentication PIN
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20:59<dpkg>i guess bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root.
20:59<gsimmons>oscar: ^^
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21:00<flaino>good nitgh
21:00<oscar>i have a probllems with the audio bluetooth
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21:02<oscar>authentication error
21:02<oscar>these error
21:02<oscar>hcitool cc 00:0D:44:52:D2:72 Can't create connection: Input/output error
21:03<oscar>l2ping 00:0D:44:52:D2:72
21:03<oscar>Can't connect: Permission denied
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21:04<lupine_85>well. looks like a problem with either the input or the output
21:04<lupine_85>you did do it as root, right?
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21:08<oscar>yes ,
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21:12<lupine_85>n3x: type /topic and read it. thank you
21:13<lupine_85>Guest2884: if you were root when you ran the program, you shouldn't be getting permission denied errors
21:13<thank>i have zip file not extract
21:13<thank>file it
21:13<thank> Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
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21:14<thank>who can kindly help ?
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21:15<lupine_85>the "unzip" package/program should have what you need
21:15<lupine_85>unzip <> will extract it
21:15<thank>i try it but ...
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21:16<Guest2884>lupien i think that problem is the PIN
21:17<lupine_85>I've never played with bluetooth, sorry
21:17<jrick>I have a problem with my apt-get cache.
21:17<jrick>It's too large, and won't let me add anything else
21:17<jrick>apt-get won't do anything
21:17<lupine_85>apt-get clean
21:18<jrick>really? thanks
21:18<jrick>i'll try that
21:18<lupine_85>it'll clean out the cache (/var/cache/apt/archives)
21:18<jrick>seemed to work, thanks!
21:19<jrick>yeah, my debian system was kinda screwed up
21:19<jrick>i restarted, and then x wouldn't load
21:19<jrick>not enough space in /tmp
21:20<Skumlesen>hi, I got sort of a general question, do linux distributions still use inet.d?
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21:21<Skumlesen>and would it normaly be installed on a supposed regular serverbox?
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21:22<mikegrb>depends on the role of the server
21:22<lupine_85>xinetd is in the repos, but not installed by defaulty
21:22<Skumlesen>ok thanks
21:23<jrick>how can I enable root logins?
21:23<lupine_85>jrick: set a root password. if you have sudo, sudo passwd does the trick
21:23<jrick>ok, thanks
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21:33<lupine_85>why on earth do you keep doing that?
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21:53<patricio>Hey guys, I am trying to login into a router that is about 200 miles away and it is telling me that it cannot connect to remote host, but I am wondering why cant I view it in a browser? CAn anyone steer my in the right direction?
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21:59<jrick>how can I upgrade my etch install to lenny? 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' isn't doing anything.
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22:00<jrick>do I need to change my /etc/apt/sources.list?
22:00<dli>jrick, you have to read the upgrade docs first, then modify your sources.list to lenny
22:01<jrick>k, those are on the debian website i'm guessing...
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22:03<jrick>dli: can you give me a link? i can't find my way around
22:04<jrick>it's one of the most confusing site's imho if you're looking for non stable branches
22:04<ameyer> badly needs a redesign imo
22:04<ameyer>unfortunately, they just redesigned it
22:05<jrick>the site map really helps, but it's still not the best
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22:05<ameyer>probably used the guy who wrote the interface that Verizon Wireless uses on all their phones
22:05<ameyer>*horribly confusing interface
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22:06<jrick>yeah, i tend to use a lot of google searching like to find my stuff
22:06<n3x>i cant even get my kernel to complile correctly
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22:10<jrick>dli: isn't leading me anywhere
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22:16<dli>jrick, you should get some ideas about testing first, before switching to lenny
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22:17<jrick>i heard it's more like 'tested', the package are already quite stable from being in sid or experimental (can't remember)
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22:20<d0t-bat>Anyone got an idea when the CLAMAV package is going to fixed? The current Stable goes to 100% CPU and mail in/out is basically non-existing
22:20<dli>jrick, then, just modify sources.list and dist-upgrade
22:20<jrick>just change all etch's to lenny's?
22:21<dli>jrick, yes
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22:23<chealer>d0t-bat: ask on the bug report
22:24<d0t-bat>chealer: more info?
22:24<chealer>d0t-bat: ask what you want to know, like when it's going to fixed
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22:24<d0t-bat>chealer: i meant more info on the "bug report" as in a link or what not
22:25<d0t-bat>or better yet, is there a way to back a version in debian?
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22:25<chealer>d0t-bat: if you didn't find the bug report yet, start by checking it
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22:25<d0t-bat>chealer: were do i find the bug report.
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22:25<chealer>d0t-bat: in the BTS
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22:27<dpkg>well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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22:31<d0t-bat>Right, is there anyway to roll back a package to an earlier version.
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22:33<Aurora900>hey everyone
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22:44<kop>What's the right tool to do pre-indexed searches for word occurences in textual files stored in various directories, from the web? I want some sort of web based search tool that can have it's database periocially updated. It does not need to display file content, just paths.
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22:50<_mark>Can anyone help with /etc/resolv.conf & ipv6 ?
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22:50<kb3ien>anyone know how to write a bootcd from windows.
22:51<lavaramano>kb3ien, try nero
22:52<jrick>just great, i'm in the middle of my dist-upgrade, and i think i've run out of space in /tmp AGAIN!!!
22:53<n3x>i keep trying to recompile a kernel yet the computer dosnt come back oline
22:54<dli>jrick, you'd better reinstall. remember to use a single big partition. rather than separate partitions for /usr /home /var, etc.
22:54<n3x>is there a FAILSAFE WAY to compile a kernel ?
22:54<jrick>i have a seperate partition for /home, but not anything else
22:56<lavaramano>n3x, did you tried using the .config file on /boot
22:56<n3x>im gonna try this
22:56<_mark>Anyone solved the ipv6 problem here? (slow webpage loading)
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23:01<n3x>sorry mark
23:02<n3x>whats it doing
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23:02<_mark>n3x, Just loading pages real slow. (Debian sid + kde/konqueror)
23:03<n3x>where are you from
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23:04<_mark>n3x, I've commented out Ipv6 as this ( link tells me to do, but I can't seem to edit the resolv.conf file successfully.
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23:04<n3x>what dns you using
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23:05<_mark>n3x, from US, using DSL, with wireless router. no prob with speed. My windows box is lightening fast.
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23:05<_mark>I edit the resolv.conf file, but everytime I reboot it gets written over afresh....\
23:06<kop>jrick: The release notes have suggestions, like running "aptitude clean"
23:06<weasel>_mark: are you using dhcp to get an IP address?
23:06<_mark>weasel, yes.
23:06<weasel>there you go
23:06<weasel>dhcp also gives you nameservers and search domains and stuff, so the dhcp client overwrites your resolv.conf
23:06<n3x>tats what causing it
23:06<weasel>you can disable that in etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
23:07<_mark>weasel do you mean to say that my dhcp call is re-writing my reslov.conf file each time I reboot?
23:07<kop>Complicated resolv.conf problems can be managed with the resolvconf package.
23:08<_mark>n3x, weasel, why would I want to disable that? Don't I need it for wireless?
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23:08<weasel>you just complained that it gets overwritten
23:08<weasel>either you want it managed by dhcp or you want it managed manually
23:08<weasel>take your pick
23:08<weasel>you can't have it both ways
23:08<n3x>oh oh oh ! pick the second one! the second one!
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23:09<kop>(Actually, resolvconf can do things like "manage it manually if it's the wired network but manage it automatically if it's wirelss". But I don't think you need that sort of control.
23:09<weasel>he doesn't need resolvconf.
23:10<weasel>and resolvconf is most likely not the problem.
23:10<_mark>All I'm trying to do is reduce the amount of timeout to zero in resolv.conf... Seems like n3x's web post might be the way to go....
23:10<kop>weasel: Geeze, will you let me confuse the poor guy with too much information in peace? ;-)
23:10<weasel>_mark: hm?
23:11<weasel>_mark: why would you want to do that?
23:13<_mark>Weasel, I read somewhere that IPV6 was the problem slowing down internet connectivity and that you need to disable it in one file, (modprobe.d/aliases) and add 'options timeout:0' to your etc/resolv file. this was said to make web pages load up immediatly.
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23:13<weasel>if that webpage said to jump of a bridge, would you do that too?
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23:13<weasel>or if it told you to rm -rf /usr? would you do that?
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23:14<weasel>also "slowed down internet connectivity" is quite a horrible diagnosis
23:14<weasel>find out what is wrong first, then fix that
23:14[~]weasel shakes his head and leaves
23:14<_mark>weasel, not ever again anyway... :'(
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23:15<_mark>Weasel, I don't see the harm in adding a line of text to a file! I can always remove the line if it proves ineffectual!
23:16<kop>_mark : If you don't know what the problem is then you're just leaving little time-bombs around your system that will prevent things from working like they should in the future.
23:17<_mark>kop, I get your logic, but short of testing things out - how do I figure out WHAT the problem is then?
23:18<kop>_mark : You use dig to see if dns is working. Ping to see if you've network connectivity, etc.
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23:18<weasel>first you start out by realizing that there is no such thing as "slow internet"
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23:19<_mark>kop, Well, obviously I have all that. I'm on the internet! :-)
23:19<weasel>obviously you don't understand all that tho
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23:20<_mark>What's not to understand? I have network connectivity; I have wireless connectivity; I can access the internet from both my Linux partition and my windows partition on the same box -using the same hardware. Linux just loads pages slower than windows. period. 12 to 15 seconds slower per page.
23:21<weasel>you don't understand where the problem is for one.
23:21<kop>So, why is it slower then?
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23:21<weasel>you just to conclude it's ipv6, which I find hard to believe until shown reasons as to why that would be the case
23:21<_mark>kop, that's my question...!
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23:22<weasel>also, fuzzing with weird resolve options is most likely the worst solution ever
23:22<kop>So, have you tested to see if dns resolves, and how fast it does?
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23:23<_mark>kop, what command do I run to get that data...? It's late and I don't remember. dhclient? ifconfig? iwconfig? ping?
23:23<kop>_mark: You need to learn basic debugging procedures. Test one thing at a time, starting with those things (like the power plug) that other things depend on. Don't assume anything works.
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23:23<kop>_mark : dig
23:23<kop>_mark: (I mentioned this already.)
23:23<weasel>or getent hosts, or host
23:24<weasel>depending one what you want to check.
23:24<_mark>kop, thank you! I'll paste the output.
23:25<_mark>S.NET. 130869 IN A 563266 IN A 562887 IN A 562983 IN A 563204 IN A 562983 IN A 562887 IN A 562984 IN A
23:25<_mark>84 IN A 130869 IN A 562887 IN A 562932 IN A 562932 IN A;; Query time: 72 msec;; SERVER:;; WHEN: Thu Sep 6 20:25:08 2007;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 436
23:25|-|_mark kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:25<weasel>thanks debhelper
23:25<weasel>(I was so expecting tis)
23:26<weasel>this too
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23:26<kop>weasel: getent or host would be used just because of what's packaged with what and dig is not always there?
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23:27<kop>weasel: We should have told him about !paste. If you're new to irc how are you to know?
23:28<weasel>kop: getent hosts goes through the system resolver
23:28<kop>weasel: Ah, of course.
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23:29<_mark>kop, here's the result: ;; Query time: 72 msec;; SERVER:;; WHEN: Thu Sep 6 20:25:08 2007;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 436
23:30<n3x>im currentinly in the process of recompiling my kernel it seems the thing is lagging out ?
23:31<kop>_mark: Well, it seems it only took 72 milliseconds. So dns is not slow.
23:31<kop>_mark: What command did you use?
23:31<_mark>kop, truly... you are correct. I used 'dig.'
23:32<weasel>which tells you more or less zero.
23:32<kop>_mark: weasel points out that you might want to use "getent hosts", because that goes through resolv.conf and your local resolver.
23:32<weasel>you picked up the hammer. doesn't mean you drove the nail into the wall just because of that
23:32<_mark>weasel, can you list the commands you reccommended again please. I'll try them too.
23:32<weasel>the _commands_ need options and arguments and stuff to be useful.
23:33<weasel>you could always try a getent hosts <host>
23:33<_mark>weasel, output of getent hosts:debian:/etc# getent hosts127.0.0.1 localhost127.0.1.1 debian.Home debian127.0.0.1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopbackdebian:/etc# getent hosts wlan0
23:33<kop>_mark: dig tests nameservers but not the local resolver.
23:34<weasel>_mark: "getent hosts" without additional arguments tells me you have an /etc/hosts. that's nice but really not relevant
23:34<_mark>weasel, ha ha! I just realized that!
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23:36<litage_>when creating the changelog for your own package, what does it mean when part of a changelog entry is highlighted in red in vim? eg:
23:36<_mark>Weasel, getent hosts <my_ip_addr> outputs "debian.local"
23:36<weasel>try a real hostname?
23:36<kop>_mark : but I bet that your webserver is not slow getting to debian.local.
23:36<weasel>one that's slow in your browser
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23:37<weasel>litage_: broken format
23:37<_mark>weasel, ok... good point. be right back!
23:37<weasel>litage_: you have too many spaces in front of the *
23:38<n3x> INSTALL drivers/net/phy/
23:38<weasel>litage_: also, the package name really should start with "local-" :)
23:38<n3x>my kernel compile is stuck n that INSTALL drivers/net/phy/
23:38<litage_>weasel: thanks, that fixed it
23:39<kop>n3x: Is it doing anything? (use vmstat or top, check df -h to see if the disk is full ,etc.)
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23:40<_mark>weasel, I tried two things. first getent hosts -- and it returned with after about 20 seconds. Next I typed in 'getent hosts' and it took about 30 seconds and just came back to a prompt.
23:41<weasel>great. we learned something already.
23:41<weasel>how many nameservers in your /etc/hosts?
23:41<n3x>procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
23:41<n3x> r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa
23:41<n3x> 1 0 0 1177252 42332 759376 0 0 4 116 167 101 20 2 78 0
23:41<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
23:41<n3x>sorry KOP!
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23:42<dpkg>hmm... ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring.
23:42<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
23:42<_mark>weasel, there are two nameservers in resolv.conf
23:42<kop>n3x: To use vmstat you usually give it a number of seconds to repeat. The first row does not mean much.
23:42<weasel>_mark: dig @<ip of the nameserver>
23:42<weasel>_mark: which of those is slow?
23:43<_mark>Weasel, my first nameserver is my ip, the second appears to be the mask. &
23:43<kop>weasel: (That's interesting. I always thought the @ argument had to come last. )
23:44<kop>_mark: Try them both.
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23:44<kop>_mark: (it's not a mask)
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23:44<weasel>_mark: you have and in your resolv.conf?
23:44<_mark>weasel, yes. I do.
23:45<weasel>quite an odd network you have there, Sir
23:45<weasel>and .254 is your router?
23:45<kop>(I hope not)
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23:46<_mark>weasel, it's just a standard DSL modem with a belkin wirelss router... what's odd?
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23:46<weasel>kop: giving the last IP address to the router is not that uncommon
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23:46<weasel>giving a client in the net the .1 is uncommon
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23:46<kop>weasel: Yeah, but it's 254.254.
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23:46<weasel>did you get that automatically?
23:46<_mark>Here's the output of dig @ my first ip:
23:46<weasel>well, maybe it's 192.168/16 :)
23:46<_mark>; <<>> DiG 9.4.1-P1 <<>> @; (1 server found);; global options: printcmd;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
23:47<kop>_mark: Ok. That's one problem.
23:47<weasel>_mark: we don't care about the output. only intereesting how long it takes and if it succeeds
23:47<weasel>so, one workaround - not a solution - is to install bind :)
23:47<kop>_mark: How about the other address?
23:47<_mark>weasel, ok. just a sec.
23:47<weasel>then your local IP address will suddenly work as a nameserver, and no matter where it came from, it won't hurt you
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23:47<weasel>the proper solution is to find out why you get that IP address as a nameserver in your resolv.conf, and fix that
23:47<kop>weasel: (What's broken needs fixing. But there's rarely a reason _not_ to run bind IMO.)
23:48<_mark>weasel, first ip took 15 seconds to reslove.
23:48<weasel>_mark: to timeout you mean.
23:48<weasel>"connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
23:48<_mark>weasel, yes, that's what I meant.
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23:48<weasel>are you sure is your IP address?
23:49<_mark>weasel, good question. Actually I think it's Hold on a sec...
23:50<_mark>weasel, by the way, .254.254 was instantaneous.
23:50<weasel>_mark: that was to be expected
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23:51<_mark>weasel, my bootscript says that the IP was DHCPACK to, but was bound to
23:51<kop>(otherwise dns would not be working. I'm not contributing. My brain is full. bye bye)
23:51<weasel>why are you asking your "bootscript"
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23:51<_mark>kop, thanks I know the feeling!
23:51<waky>löl kop ^^
23:51<weasel>ifconfig and route -n are what you want to ask
23:52<weasel>anyway, it answered the question. so, what is
23:52<weasel>your router thingie?
23:52<weasel>and if so, why is its dns broken.
23:53<_mark>weasel, see that's where you have me stumped. I know computer hardware, but I am clueless about wireless, networking and routers!
23:53<_mark>Kernel IP routing tableDestination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface192.168.2.0 U 0 0 0 wlan00.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0
23:53<n3x>i cant compile a KERNEL for fucking shit, everytime i do the computer never comes back online
23:53<weasel>STOP PASTING that crap
23:54<weasel>the way you do it it's completely unreadable anyway
23:54<weasel>how is your computer connected to the network?
23:54<weasel>wireless? wired? magic?
23:55<_mark>weasel, ok. I get it...!
23:55<_mark>I am connected by a wireless pci card.
23:55<weasel>and your wireless router is then
23:55<weasel>can you connect to that using a browser and do you get a web interface of sorts?
23:56<_mark>I assume so. I'll connect with the browser and see whether that brings up the dsl modem or the wireless router...
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23:56<_mark>yes. is my belkin router.
23:57<weasel>its dns is broken. maybe you can find out why
23:58<_mark>weasel, I know it's late... and my brain is completely fogged, but can you elaborate on how the dns is 'broken?' Not sure what that means.
23:58<weasel>your got your DHCP lease from your wireless router.
23:58<weasel>it claims that it is a nameserver, at least it gave you its ip address as a namserver
23:58<weasel>however, it does not answer dns queries
23:58<dli>weasel, you can specify a real dns (from your isp) in /etc/resolv.conf
23:58<weasel>therefore its broken
23:59<ameyer>_mark: does "ping" show any response to your pings?
23:59<weasel>dli: no kidding?
23:59<weasel>ameyer: what would that tell us?
23:59<ameyer>Some routers sometimes don't like to pass packets to the modem
23:59<weasel>ameyer: his network works.
23:59<ameyer>like my Linksys piece of shite
23:59<dli>weasel, you can tell your dhcp client not to update /etc/resolv.conf
23:59<_mark>omeyer, yes I get responses to the pings.
23:59<weasel>dli: I know.
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23:59<weasel>dli: that's what I told _mark first thing
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