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00:03<chealer>rav: that's the file on the server or what Apache serves?
00:04<rav>chealer: that's the file on the server
00:04<chealer>rav: what does Apache serve?
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00:07<chealer>rav: is that the content of the file that Apache serves or how your browser renders it?
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00:10<rav>chealer: that's what i see in my browser
00:10<chealer>rav: what's the URL?
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00:11<rav>chealer: it's not online, i'm just developing
00:12<chealer>rav: what's the content/source of the file served by Apache?
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00:14<rav>chealer: thanks for your help, but i have to go now
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00:30<sourabh>can anyone tell me how to setup another linux system on running linux
00:31<Rat409>you mean from an existing linux?
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00:32<jm_>time to read IG
00:33<Rat409>!wiki debbootstrap
00:33<Rat409>guess not i minute
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00:34<Rat409>try that
00:34<chrome>heyas, got a lenny server thats got khelper forking off modprobe several times a second
00:34<chrome>anyone else got that?
00:35<chrome>its trying to modprobe interfaces that don't exist :P
00:35<sourabh>can i install from internet the whole debian distro and boot from that system. all these can be done on running system
00:35<chrome>root 20301 0.0 0.0 1692 592 ? R< 15:35 0:00 /sbin/modprobe -q -- eth4
00:35<chrome>over and over again
00:35<Rat409>sourabh: afaik
00:36<sourabh>what is afaik
00:36<Rat409>chrome: zombie,weird indeed
00:36<Rat409>sourabh: as far as i know yes
00:36<chrome>Rat409: <-- this mentions the issue but doesnt really explain the workaround
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00:36<chrome>i'm not running ifplugd
00:37<Rat409>thats what debbootstrap does,uses a script to pull from internet
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00:37<sourabh>anything more u want to tell me
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00:38<sourabh>thanks a lot
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00:38<Rat409>i'm no expert on debbootstrap used it a couple times a long while back,best to read the docs
00:39<sourabh>sure but an idea is enough to keep trying
00:39<sourabh>thanks 4 that idea
00:39<john>anyone good with exim?
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00:40<john>i only ask instead of forming the question cause I have been at this for a week
00:41<Rat409>sorry not me
00:41<chrome>john: in certain context, maybe :P whats the issue.
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00:47<john>chrome, ever set up for login for smarthost?
00:47<john>I tried both ways
00:48<john>I have a static ip and a hostname
00:48<chrome>john: no, but the example seems straight forward
00:48<john>but for some reason some of my mail does not show up where I send it
00:48<john>I thought so as well
00:48<john>tried for the past week
00:48<john>I do not want incomming mail only outgoing
00:48<chrome>have you investigated the exim -v -bt command?
00:49<john>for hostname only yes
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00:49<chrome>or -d -bt
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00:49<chrome>you might find a different router is being called based on some other decision
00:50<test1>hello all
00:50<test1>is there anyone experiencing with the RAID controllers with chipset "ULi (former
00:50<test1>ly ALi) M5283" under linux ?
00:50<john>how so ?
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00:53<john>chrome, how do i test it? the mail is going out per the exim4 log .... it says completed, however if i send it from normal user account it goes, but the forms on my site go out from and they do not show up in junk mail or anything at remote host
00:53<john>not to mention that su - www-data running mutt I get permission denied to writing to /var/mail/sent or anything....
00:54<chrome>there are other switches you can give exim to emulate your www-data user
00:54<chrome>i dont know if debian makes www-data trusted or not
00:54<john>I would assume not
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00:54<john>please help me so I can actually get SOME sleep this evening ....
00:54<chrome>i've found it better, generally, to send mail via localhost
00:54<chrome>from scripts
00:55<john>it is already midnight, been at this for a week.... open to suggestions
00:55<chrome>have you read the actual exim documentation?
00:55<posix>I'm looking to spend a couple hundred on a 14" laptop for Debian.. any suggestions? I've been looking mostly at the Dell D600 and IBM T41.. I like subnotebooks (read: no optical drives), but they're very pricey because they're fairly recent it seems..
00:56<test1>hi, all is there anyone thinking of my above question?
00:56<john>chrome, yeah, and lots of posts and newsgroups as well
00:57<chrome>i'd run it in debug mode
00:57<chrome>feeding stuff by hand
00:57<chrome>and see what it does
00:57<john>it works that way
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00:57<john>just problem with www-data i think
00:57<chrome>then check the trusted users setting in exim
00:58<posix>test1: don't use raid controllers from companies who don't even have a functioning website?
00:58<john>chrome, I could not seem to find that setting
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00:59<test1>posix, which RAID controllers do you seggest that has good and reliable functioning under linux ?
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01:00<chrome>mars:/etc/exim4# rgrep trusted_users .
01:00<chrome>./exim4.conf.template:trusted_users = MAIN_TRUSTED_USERS
01:00<chrome>./conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options:trusted_users = MAIN_TRUSTED_USERS
01:00<chrome>so if you set MAIN_TRUSTER_USERS in your 000_local.conf or whatever you call it
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01:00<chrome>if you have a single config file, just find it.
01:01<john>ahhh, think this makes sense
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01:02<john>but where do i add it ? in my main trusted users is uucp
01:03<chrome>stupid debian
01:03<chrome>i dont even know if this will help dude
01:03<chrome>its just a guess
01:04<chrome>if its working when you run as root or whatever but not when through www-data then meh
01:04<chrome>as I said
01:04<john>worth a shot
01:04<chrome>get your scripts to use smtp instead
01:04<chrome>and it'll work
01:04<john>what groups would a normal user be allowed that www-data would not that would affect mail?
01:04<chrome>trusted_users lets you set certain headers
01:05<chrome>i've had mail screw up from apache because www-data wasnt in there before myself
01:05<chrome>if your script is trying to set Sender or From then its going to fail
01:05<chrome>as i said
01:05<chrome>just a guess
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01:11<gz>gday all
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01:14<padski>openoffice says my jre is defective
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01:15<padski>its the sun jre. and this is etch on an i686. there is no pleasing some programs ;-)
01:15<|trippy|>Hi, I saw that the new Radeon drivers are out on AMD/ATI's web page. As I have a 2900XT card, I do need to replace my vesa drivers soon. Has anyone any idea if the fglrx drivers will show up in unstable?
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01:17<padski>I wasn't surprised when it didn't work on my G4 :-)
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01:18<padski>(and I can't see OOo on arm in my immediate future)
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01:20<chrome>ok well, rebooting fixed my modprobe issue
01:20<chrome>not sure whats going on there
01:21<lucca>whoever set up the whole topic and dpkg bot response system deserves a beer... thanks.
01:22<john>shot of jager I would say
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01:25<haseo>how can i find the command to call a program, when i type where is ut2004 it returns ut2004: /usr/local/sbin/ut2004 /usr/local/games/ut2004 but when i type ut2004 in command line it says it doesnt exist how can i fix this or know what commands calls it?
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01:26<padski>ah. I had to go to tools>options>java where it detects my one and only jre installation and tell it that is the one I want to use. lol
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01:32<padski>haseo: try 'which ut2004'
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01:33<padski>haseo: mind you, by the sounds of it it is not in your path. try 'echo $PATH' and something like 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin' for that.
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01:59<niru>for getting a file that is in usb while booting from usb stik
02:00<niru>what should be the path given
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02:00<niru>or file=/dev/sdb/filename
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02:16<maik>hello there, can anyone here recommend a Webcam that runs on linux?
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02:20<chuy_max>niru, it should be given the path where it is mounted
02:21<niru>chuy_max, on an existing system it shows /dev/sdb1
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02:21<niru>so in syslinux.cfg file for booting through usb do I need to give /dev/sdb1
02:22<chuy_max>niru, that is not the mount point, that is the device path
02:22<niru>chuy_max, I mounted it on /media/cdrom0/
02:23<niru>but when I will boot through usb I need to restart
02:23<niru>so the mountpoint will go right
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02:25<niru>chuy_max, ?
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02:28<maik>hello there, can anyone here recommend a Webcam that runs on linux?
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02:30<jm_>maik: the obvious answer to your question is no
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02:38<Snapser>I didn't know webcams had operating systems
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03:40<Kebianizao>anyone knows where the helvetica font could be?
03:41<mikegrb>check the couch cushions
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03:42<Seal>good morning room :D
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03:47<Seal>know anybody lightppd ? - i have problem - i have few public IP and few domens - i have directory /var/projects/ and if i add to browser, browser show /var/projects/ - if i add to browser, browser show /var/projects/
03:48<Seal>BUT i dont know how can i IP xx (in browser) show /var/projects/IPxx/index.php
03:48<Seal>know anybody here resolution for my problem pls? (and sry for my english)
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03:49<padski>fonts are a really good example of how inappropriate Intellectual Property laws make a horrible mess :-)
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03:53<Snapser>padski, how so?
03:54<padski>Snapser: as I understand it, there is just enough protection that anyone wanting to copy a proprietary font must make a new one, but not enough to stop them :-)
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03:59<padski>Snapser: consequently font artists are often discouraged because anything they do will be ripped off rather than paid for, and users struggle with a mess of non-interoperable documents and an extreme proliferation of fonts. I believe a free software solution is appropriate to fonts.
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04:00<padski>not that its likely top end the confusion ;-)
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04:08<Kebianizao>padski: tahnks
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04:08<padski>Kebianizao: you are welcome :-)
04:13<padski>Kebianizao: this is also good
04:13<Kebianizao>padski: do you have it installed? I tried p.d.o but it only showed 100 results
04:16<padski>Kebianizao: helvetica is proprietary font owned by Linotype. If you want a similar font see the various links I posted above
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04:17<Kebianizao>I see
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04:19<Snapser>putty tunnels aren't working :(
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04:21<padski>Helvetica Family Value Pack: 593 Euros :-)
04:21<Snapser>e.g. Tunnel: L8080
04:21<Snapser>yet, when I try to load http://localhost:8080, it doesn't work
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04:22<padski>Snapser: never tried using putty to tunnel, only the cygwin ssh.
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04:23<padski>Snapser: do you have such a tunnel working to that endpoint from a different system ?
04:23<Snapser>I use it all the time
04:23<Snapser>just never on linux
04:24<padski>Snapser: huh?
04:24<Snapser>(It works from PuTTY using Windows, but not on PuTTY using Linux)
04:24<Snapser>it looks like the tunnels aren't been created or something~
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04:26<Kebianizao>padski: a guy sent me the helvetica postscript fonts, now I think I do have them
04:26<padski>Snapser: works windows/putty -> linux/ssh but not linux/sssh -> windows/putty ?
04:27<padski>Kebianizao: enjoy!
04:27<Kebianizao>padski: BTW the substitues table on the link you gave me looks also quite useful
04:27<lupine_85>puTTY isn't an ssh server
04:27<Snapser>I know that
04:27<Snapser>my router at home has dropbear running on it, I connect to dropbear using putty
04:28<Snapser>putty tunnels on windows work, but putty tunnels on debian do not work
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04:28<Snapser>(I can connect to the ssh server successfuly, run commands, etc, but the tunnels are not working)
04:28<padski>didn't realise there is a putty in debian
04:28<Snapser>it is like the ports aren't been forwarded
04:29<Snapser>It's available on the Debian repository
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04:31<pengol>hi there. I have apt-proxy for my network ... I'm trying to upgrade the packages on my client machine it says . Anybody can tell me why is it trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb ???
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04:43<somae>I've got a HP (Pavilion) Chameleon modem/sound card combo. I haven't been able to locate a linux driver for it.
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04:44<somae>it's also called a Rockwell Riptide Audio & Conexant Modem
04:45<dli>somae, try linuxant driver
04:46<somae>I tried that - they had a program to identify the right driver and it couldn't find it
04:47<somae>I guess I could try writing to them
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05:03<Snapser>any storyline rpg games?
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05:05<lupine_85>Snapser: pSX + FF :)
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05:23<padski>is xfce any good ?
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05:28<petemc>suck it and see
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05:33<padski>aptitude install xfwm4
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05:34<padski>"After unpacking 42MB will be used"
05:34<niru>gsimmons, are u there
05:34<padski>Lightweight ? what do I get for my 42MB ?
05:34<niru>yesterday u told about gtk/vmlinuz and gtk/initrd.gz
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05:34<aptituz>well 42 mb is very lightweight if you compare it with gnome or kde ;p
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05:34<niru>yesterady gui came when I used so but today it is showing no vesa frame buffer avialble
05:38<padski>9wm: "After unpacking 65.5kB will be used"
05:38<niru>ping gsimmons
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05:40<twb>How do I enter Korean characters (Hangul) into GTK2 apps using a US keyboard?
05:41<padski>metacity: 33.2MB
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05:47<aptituz>padski: hm.. comparing a wm with a de is comparing apples with bananas.
05:48<aptituz>hm.. either i'm doing something wrong or gpg really crashes inside of a schroot
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05:50<padski>aptituz: xfwm4 is not a wm ? ;-)
05:51[~]twb reads
05:52<aptituz>oh lol. excuse me i've read only the half :P
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05:53<aptituz>gpg: Ohhhh jeeee: ... this is a bug (../../g10/gpg.c:1954:main)
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05:54<niru>gsimmons, ?
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05:56<Shandrilessa>Hello, I was wondering if the issue regarding installing a LILO BM on a soft-raid with raid level 1 is known around here?
05:57<Shandrilessa>I tend to get the message that the installation of the LiLo-BM couldn't be executed due to errors sending "1" back
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05:58<Shandrilessa>After all it isn't possible to boot from a Raiddisk with Grub, or am I erring here now?
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05:58<twb>I know that Grub Legacy does not support LVM-on-RAID1.
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06:00<aptituz>is there any way to create/use chroots as a user except dchroot/schroot with root privileges inside of the chroot?
06:00<Shandrilessa>I see, but I've tried time and time again to install Lilo on a raid1 (no LVM) but always get a errormessage that it doesn't work
06:01<twb>aptituz: I'm not aware of any.
06:02<aptituz>hm.. then i should find the answer for the question: "why is gpg crashing in a schroot environment?"
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06:04<Flash_>my name is Flash
06:04<petemc>saviour of the universe?
06:04<petemc>or the fastest man alive?
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06:06<Shandrilessa>is there a german channel for debian?
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06:06<dpkg>[de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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06:07<niru>I created the bootable usb
06:07<niru>but it works fne in my pc
06:07<niru>same usb if i put somewhere else it shows error
06:08<niru>but when I go to console and just do find hd-media/ and then preseed_command hd-media/
06:08<niru>it works fine
06:08<niru>why is it so
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06:53<monra>hello. hey i have a question. Debian use linux kernel. When I install them the kerlen is already compiled. I don't compile the kerlenl in installation(like Gentoo for example.), right?
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06:54<twb>However, it is possible to create your own kernel .debs if you feel the need.
06:55<twb>Some recent releases of Debian use other kernels, particularly those from GNU, FreeBSD and Open Solaris.
06:55<twb>Or perhaps I should say unreleases
06:55<monra>oh, ok. anyway i tried closing iceweasel and the X system stopped working i mean i go and i can do nothing in GNOME. I'm now in irssi through command line(Ctr+Alt+F1)... I try using ps -A but cannot find any iceweasel program any ideas what to do.
06:55<monra>ok thanks
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06:55<twb>monra: the process is probably called firefox.bin
06:56<twb>Try top -u monra or ps u `pgrep -u monra`
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06:57<shiza>hello, where can i find drivers for
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06:57<shiza>HP LaserJet M1005 MFP series
06:58<shiza>at standart repo of debian there are none =(
06:58<monra>hm.. cannt see anything. maybe it was close but still i can see an empty icewasel window in my GNOME and as I said mouse stopped working there twb
06:58<twb>monra: you can use M-f2 or C-T to start a terminal emulator within GNOME.
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06:59<shiza>isuckatlinux - thanks)
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07:01<monra>twb: doesn't start anything. don't work. If we were in windows a Ctr_Alt_Del would have fix the things. Does something similar exists in Linux?
07:01<twb>That will work by default on the console.
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07:02<twb>It will run `shutdown -r now' as- bah.
07:03<klys_>monra: you don't want to reboot? ctrl+alt+F1 ctrl+alt+F7
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07:04<klys_>monra: if this is stuck, try to ping your system and if there's no reply you had a kernel oops
07:04<gcs>Hi! Is there any tool in Debian which can alter the disk (volume) name of an iso image?
07:06<gcs>klys_: mkisofs would make a new image, but I already have it. I don't want to recreate the image; or what do I miss?
07:06<klys_>check into isomaster then
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07:07<klys_>because I don't know what it's an image of
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07:09<twb>gcs: growisofs(?) can extend existing iso images on a DVD
07:10<twb>gcs: normally I would mount the .iso loopback, then use unionfs (or just cp -a) to merge its contents with the new files, then run genisoimage (mkisofs) on the new directory.
07:11<isuckatlinux>what is a videotext server? i wonder what alevtd does
07:11<twb>IIRC you can also just say genisoimage /mnt/lo /var/tmp/newfiles and it will put the contents of both directories in the top level of the image.
07:12<twb>isuckatlinux: in Australia there was a thing around about twenty years ago where your TV could load program guides and betting results and stuff from the analog signal. Maybe it's that.
07:12<gcs>klys_, twb: It's a bootable DVD, so that's why I don't want to recreate it. I mean, I can copy it's contents, but not the boot sector. So the premastered DVD would be unbootable.
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07:12<niru>gsimmons, r u there
07:13<twb>gcs: genisofs takes extra flags to create the boot information.
07:13<isuckatlinux>sounds about right, what is a /dev/vbi do u know?
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07:13<twb>isuckatlinux: I don't know
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07:14<isuckatlinux>thats the device the program looks for, so I heard all linux users are going to switch to ati now
07:15<niru>twb, I have successfully created a bootable usb
07:15<niru>that will install the whole os
07:15<twb>I would no more buy an ATI GPU than an NVidia GPU
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07:15<niru>twb, but it works fine only in my system
07:16<twb>niru: congratulations, have a gorilla.
07:16<niru>twb, when I boot the same usb in other pcs it shows unable to read the preseed file
07:16<twb>USB booting is not widely supported or tested by hardware vendors. I'm told this is because Windows doesn't do it.
07:16<niru>twb, so what I do there is go to console and do
07:16<isuckatlinux>im nvdia guy 2
07:16<niru>find hd-media/
07:16<niru>and then preseed_command hd-media/
07:17<isuckatlinux>but i may not buy any other sony laptop
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07:17<niru>twb, then the installation goes fine why is it so
07:17<niru>my syslinux.cfg has tge following contnent
07:17<niru>default vmlinuz
07:17<niru>append initrd=initrd.gz file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg
07:18<niru>twb, any idea
07:18<niru>twb, whats going wrong
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07:18<gcs>klys_, twb: I chose isomaster. Thanks for helping. Bye!
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07:18<twb>Yes, you're pressing RET instead of ,
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07:20<niru>twb, ?
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07:23<twb>niru: you are breaking each logical sentence over several messages, making it very hard to understand you.
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07:23<JasonS>niru: or type more hit enter less
07:24<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
07:24<twb>Sorry, I forgot what the dpkg key was.
07:24<twb>niru: nor do I understand why you are addressing me (as opposed to the channel in general).
07:25<isuckatlinux>if i want to build the new 23 kernel, is it ok to follow a 2.4 kernel guide? is there anything different now?
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07:26<twb>isuckatlinux: are you using make-kpkg?
07:27<isuckatlinux>never done before, so basically im going to screw up
07:27<twb>Use make-kpkg.
07:27<twb>Hmm, actually that might not be the right tool anymore...
07:28<hazard2>anyone know of a utility for linux command line that will allow you to recover files from a hopelessly damaged fat16 disk?
07:28<isuckatlinux>they use that in the guide at the end
07:28<twb>!compile kernel
07:28<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
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07:29<twb>hazard2: first of all, put the disk in the freezer for half an hour. Then immediately boot it up and use dd_rescue to copy the disk bit-for-bit to a good disk. Only *then* worry about extracting individual files.
07:29<isuckatlinux>thanks bro
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07:30<hazard2>twb: already done, that being the first series of steps
07:30<isuckatlinux>im not sure if testdisk could help you hazard2
07:31<isuckatlinux>whats the freezer part for if u dont mind me asking
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07:32<hazard2>for a normal harddrive, it *MAY* help stabilize a failing mechinism/control ciritry long enough to allow it to be cloned
07:32<koollman>isuckatlinux: it's for magic recovery
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07:32<hazard2>(but I'm working on a flash drive that windows seems to have fragged somehow, so its a little diffrent)
07:33<koollman>a flash drive usually die of 'write count too high'
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07:34<hazard2>I don't think it DID die.
07:35<hazard2>I think the fat structures just...went skydiving without a parachute.
07:36<twb>Probably that is because FAT is set up so the same blocks get written over and over
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07:36<twb>Have you tried fsck.vfat'ing the copy?
07:37<hazard2>that complained that there were to many fat structres or something
07:37<twb>Did you check if it needs a 32-bitness switch?
07:38<hazard2>when I cat the image (dumping its contents to the terminal), I see bits of jpeg headers which I'd GUESS are the files, but I don't know how to pull them exactly
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07:40<hazard2>what fsck.vfat says: Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 247.
07:41<twb>mkfs.vfat (used to?) default to 16 or 12 bit, and refuse to create a filesystem for any block device >2GB.
07:41<twb>Oh, that error.
07:41<twb>I think that's because you're using a cheap piece of shit USB stick that doesn't use fat properly
07:41<twb>But ICBW
07:41<hazard2>that's quite possible.
07:42<hazard2>I dunno, the phone is Tmobile or something (it isn't mine)
07:43<twb>That sounds like a carrier, not a model.
07:43<hazard2>I think it is.
07:44<hazard2>so...any ideas?
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07:44<twb>Let it have an... accident
07:44<twb>Then use insurance to get a new one
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07:44<twb>Only other suggestion is to google for the error string
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07:47<hazard2>I'll have to play with it.
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07:47<hazard2>maybe I can do somethig to search the image for jpeg headers and copy a bunch of data after that....
07:47<hazard2>anyway, later
07:48<twb>Anything stored on a phone is clearly not critical data anyway, say I.
07:48<hazard2>but its a challange :)
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08:21<niru>gsimmons, ping
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08:24<aptituz>hm.. anybody an idea what the reason could be if aptitude says that a package is not installable while it in reality is?
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08:25<aptituz>happens during dist-upgrade, manually installing it works (even though it ignores the pinning and installs it from a low-priority release)
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08:44<Alvane>Hello, I just installed debian and when I set the password for both root and my user, I used some capitals (using shift) in the password, but it seems this was a mistake. When I was entering the passwords and confirming them, I had a suspicion something wasn't right, as the typing character seemed to go into insert mode when I held down shift.
08:44<Alvane>However, as it let me enter it and confirm I thought it was ok. Now I'm left with a system I can't login into, now install has finished - if anyone has any ideas, I'd greatly appreciate it
08:46<twb>Boot with init=/bin/sh by editing the kernel parameters in grub
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08:46<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
08:47<twb>Once there, run `passwd'
08:47<padski>Alvane: entertaining feature that one isn't it
08:47<padski>Alvane: sorry, I should read more carefully. it's not what I thought
08:48<twb>IMO the etch steps should be first
08:48<padski>Alvane: you need a password reset then. boot off of rescue media
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08:48<padski>Alvane: or just install again :-)
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08:49<padski>or what they already said, better ;-(
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08:53<Alvane>Thanks for the help - I'm trying to add the init=/bin/sh - does it go on the end of the kernel line?
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08:54<seanius>Alvane: yeah
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08:58<Alvane>Thanks again - I've made it to a prompt - I'm sure this is really obvious, but I'd rather not make any silly mistakes, but how do I fsck my root file system?
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09:02<[1]harpal>I have wheel mouse and I have upgraded to debian 4.0. but my whell is not working? when I wheel up or down than page cant be up or down?
09:02<seanius>Alvane: what exactly was your problem again?
09:03<seanius>just so i don't start giving the wrong advice :)
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09:03<E0x>[1]harpal: in the inputDevice section
09:03<E0x> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 4 5"
09:03<E0x>restart X and try
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09:06<[1]harpal>E0x: where can I find that input device selection?
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09:06<Alvane>Seanius: Thanks very much, however, it's ok now, I managed it and finished the instructions and reset the password and am now logged in - thankyou very much for your help
09:06<Alvane>I had one other query though, during the install, I chose to install the laptop tools as the installation will be used on a laptop, but I received a message from uswsusp saying the swap it was configured to use wasn't active (even though the swap was created correctly) - is there anything I can do to remedy this? I did do a search, and found other people with a similar problem but no obvious remedies?
09:06<E0x>in the xorg config file
09:07<E0x>something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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09:09<seanius>Alvane: i'm not horribly familiar with uswsusp, but it could be a benign warning that doesn't actually mean an error
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09:09<seanius>otherwise maybe dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp (or whatever the package name is) might fix it
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09:11<[1]harpal>E0x: i will be back
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09:15<Alvane>seanius: It seems to be happy now, thankyou again for your help
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09:27<harpal>E0x: I am back, actually I have booted in to that system. what should I change in xorg.conf?
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09:35<sasha>hi , yesterday ati released a driver for my new laptop a samsung X22, so i decided to install debian on it, i managed o finish the installation process with the boot option install generic.all_generic_ide=1, but on bott it blocks after a message , ide0 I/O ressource 0x1F0-0X1F7 not free begin waiting for root file system , can anybody help here ?
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09:41<samuel>hi, i need some help in here...
09:41<JasonS>samuel: best tell us the problem then
09:41<samuel>i installed IBM RSA but it did't finished the installation proccess at all because a swap error...
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09:42<samuel>i deleted the directory of the installer so i can begin the installation process again..
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09:43<azeem>samuel: what is IBM RSA and why do you need to install it?
09:43<samuel>but it just don't start 'cause an error...
09:43<samuel>let me remember the error
09:43<JasonS>1. what is ibm rsa 2. whats the error
09:44<samuel>Error couldn't find IBM Installation Manager
09:44<azeem>samuel: 16:41 < azeem> samuel: what is IBM RSA and why do you need to install it?
09:44<samuel>Rational Software Architect
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09:44<azeem>samuel: maybe you should ask IBM support then
09:44<azeem>samuel: unless it's shipped on
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09:45<samuel>i'm here 'cause the IBM guys just take too long to answers....
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09:45<azeem>well, we don't know anything about IBM RSA or IBM Installation Manager
09:45<samuel>i migrated the entired plataform to Debian Etch
09:46<azeem>what platform?
09:46<samuel>the question is... is there a way that i can delete all the libraries that the RSA left in the system?
09:47<samuel>any package suggestion?
09:47<harpal>how can I restart xserver?
09:47<samuel>they were using windows in here...
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09:47<samuel>harpal, /etc/init.d/x-common restart
09:48<samuel>harpal, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
09:48<azeem>samuel: did it leave them in /usr/lib or rather /opt or /usr/local/lib?
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09:48<samuel>that's my problem, i just need to remove all the garbage that the failed installation process left in the system...
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09:49<samuel>it's not so easy i guess...
09:49<harpal>samuel: I dont have x-common. Is it X11-common?
09:49<sasha>hi could anu-ybody help with my problem ?
09:50<samuel>harpal, yeah, sorry, my mistake
09:50<samuel>i guess there's some kind of library that tells the installer that the directory was deleted...
09:51<samuel>then, if i can fix that i can invoke the installer and my problem is solved....
09:51<samuel>i hope..
09:51<samuel>sasha, what's your problem?
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09:53<sasha> i installed debian with the parameter install generic.all_generic_ide=1 but after boot it says
09:53<sasha>I/0 ressource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free
09:54<sasha>then after some times it write ALERT /dev/hda2 does not exist
09:54<sasha>and i have a prompt with initramfs
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09:58<harpal>sorry my connection was down. any has idea?
09:59<petemc>ctl alt backspace
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10:03<UK-Toker>hi. i have samba working, i can browse my windoze shared dir's me debian box is listed in Network places, but i cant seem to get access to anything on me debian box?
10:04<sasha>hi , for my problem it looks like i have to unload ide-generic , but how as i cant boot into a system ?
10:04<UK-Toker>it asks for a username and pass, i enter me debian U/N and P/W but still sais i dont have permision!!
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10:06<harpal>I have restarted my xserver but still wheel is not working?
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10:08<E0x>do you add the option line that i talk to you harpal ?
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10:09<harpal>E0x: actually I have loged out and login to debian so I dont remember your line. can you tell it again?
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10:10<E0x>Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 4 5"
10:10<E0x>in the InputDevice section
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10:11<harpal>ok I have added that and I am restarting my xserver so I will be back
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10:15<harpal>E0x: still its not working?
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10:16<E0x>harpal: paste in pastebin your xorg config
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10:18<harpal>E0x: here is my xorg.conf file
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10:19<assem>problems with libpango and libpangocairo... says undefined symbols=> g_once_init_enter_impl g_once_init_leave
10:19<UK-Toker>toker:~# mount -t smbfs username=xbox,password=xbox //hal/mp3s
10:19<UK-Toker>Could not resolve mount point //hal/mp3s
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10:19<UK-Toker>can some one tell where i am going wrong there please
10:19<E0x>harpal: your mouse is ps2 ?
10:20<UK-Toker>username and pass is made up there.
10:20<azeem>UK-Toker: should be -o username... maybe
10:20<harpal>E0x: no my mouse is usb
10:21<UK-Toker>thanks azeem
10:21<E0x>harpal: change /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice
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10:21<cdlu>UK-Toker, if that doesn't work, refer to smbmount rather than regular mount.
10:21<E0x>and "Protocol" "PS/2" to "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
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10:22<E0x>harpal: you mouse have a buttons in the middle ( sometime the whell is a button if you press it )
10:22<UK-Toker>nope still not resolved
10:22<UK-Toker>thanks cdlu. ill try that.
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10:23<sasha>hi i have this error while booting does anybody already get it )
10:23<sasha><azeem> well, we don't know anything a
10:23<sasha><azeem> well, we don't know anything a
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10:23<harpal>E0x: yes wheel is act as button
10:23<sasha>ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to shell
10:23<sasha>it is more like this one
10:24<E0x>harpal: then comment the line Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
10:24<E0x>harpal: restart X
10:24<E0x>and test
10:24<harpal>E0x: I will be back. I am restarting
10:24<kinlo>is there a way to identify which packages are installed on my machine that are not currently available from an apt-source currently configured? ie: get a list of all manually installed packages or packages that are removed in the current debian release and were a leftover from before my last upgrade?
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10:25<assem>any1 know why libpango is littered with undefined symbols from glib? (unstable latest versions)
10:25<sasha>is it possible to get a net install cd from the packages in unstable or testing
10:25<UK-Toker>nope.. still no luck..
10:26<lupine_85>kinlo: not a particular tool, AFAIK, but you could probably work wonders with some grep magic
10:26<JasonS>sasha: testing yes iirc unstable no
10:26<kinlo>lupine_85: uhmz, any pointers on how to start on that?
10:26<azeem>assem: do you have glib installed?
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10:27<harpal>E0x: cheers thats working now. thanx a lot. one more question
10:27<assem>lol yes ofcourse
10:27<azeem>assem: pastebin the ldd output
10:27<azeem>assem: and then pastebin the objdump output of an offending line
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10:28<lupine_85>kinlo: dpkg -l lists all the packages installed on your system, and their versions. Packages.gz files list all the files and versions available on a particular repository
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10:29<kinlo>lupine_85: that doesn't seems to be easy as in 'you can do it with an one-liner'
10:29<harpal>I cant make my resolution to 1024*768. if I make it to 1024*768 than it does but I cant have whole screen in front of me. when I move mouse in any direction than it expands the screen like a scrollbar
10:29<kinlo>but I'll have a look, thanks
10:29<lupine_85>I would probably transform the output of both to get a set of files with records of format 'package version', then successively grep -v the list of installed packages against the transformed packages.gz
10:29<lupine_85>kinlo: it'd be maybe 3,4 lines
10:29<shiza>hello again, can you say where is "stdio.h" file, in what package?
10:29<kinlo>lupine_85: 3,4 lines? :)
10:29<azeem>shiza: /msg dpkg search
10:30<shiza>azeem - it is not work
10:30<lupine_85>One line per packages.gz, and one for the dpkg -l output; then one more line
10:30<lupine_85>working out what the lines would be is the hard bit
10:30<azeem>shiza: what doesn't?
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10:31<kinlo>lupine_85: I'll have a look
10:31<lupine_85>shiza: install apt-file; apt-file search stdio.h
10:31<azeem>shiza: the dpkg bot should have provided you with the necessary information in a query
10:31<harpal>E0x: can you help me in resolution problem?
10:31<lupine_85>in this case, it's libc6-dev
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10:31<E0x>harpal: what is the problem ?
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10:33<shiza>any other advices? maybe other ways?
10:34<azeem>shiza: waht lupine said
10:34<shiza>thamks ) would try)
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10:35<assem>azeem, what is the objdump you need exactly? there are no offsets for definitions of the undefined symbols so im not sure what to give u
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10:36<harpal>E0x: When I make screen resolution to 1024*768 then my screen resolution is looking 1027*768. and when I move mouse to any direction than its expanding like a scroll bar
10:36<azeem>assem: then pastebin the whole
10:36<assem>the entire objdump of libpango ? ok
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10:39<harpal>E0x: are you getting what I am trying to say?
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10:40<assem>ok azeem,
10:40<assem>hope that's what you were looking for, let me know if you need more
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10:41<bcochofel>Hi, how can I install postgresql 8.2 on etch?
10:42<azeem>assem: so what is the error message?
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10:42<bcochofel>I believe it comes with lenny.
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10:42<azeem>bcochofel: see whether it is on
10:43<petemc>bcochofel: try
10:43<azeem>otherwise, you cannot
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10:43<don7337>hi al
10:43<bcochofel>petemc: yes it is, but how can I do that? without installing all other tools
10:43<assem>when compiling gtk+ apps under anjuta it gives me undefined reference to g_once_init_enter_impl, g_unichar_script, and g_once_init_leave
10:43<bcochofel>I mean, I only want psql 8.2
10:43<don7337>i'm looking for someone to help with a mirror setup
10:44<assem>all reported undef. references from libpango and libpangocairo
10:44<azeem>assem: and anjuta doesn't link in glib?
10:44<azeem>did you check whether those symbols exist in glib?
10:45<assem>it does
10:45<assem>and yes they do
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10:45<harpal>don7337: whats problem?
10:46<assem>terranpro@triforce:/usr/lib$ nm -D |grep g_once_init 00050ea0 T g_once_init_enter
10:46<don7337>i am presently using apt-proxy and have a few GB of pkgs
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10:47<azeem>assem: looks good to me
10:47<don7337>i want to move it to a new setup using apt-mirror, debmirror or maybe the anonftpsync script
10:47<azeem>eh no
10:47<assem>yeah doesn't make sense
10:47<don7337>which is best method?
10:47<azeem>assem: g_once_init_enter vs g_once_init_enter_impl
10:47<assem>yeah sorry
10:47<assem>they are all defined
10:47<assem>i just didnt paste them all to spam the channel
10:47<assem>g_once_init_enter_impl and g_once_init_leave too
10:48<azeem>all with addresses and T in front of it?
10:48<harpal>don7337: I have used apt-get to setup all the things. I havent used that ftp.
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10:48<azeem>assem: no idea then, maybe try to get anjuta to run gcc with -v to get more output
10:48<harpal>in debian 4.0 there no such apt-mirror
10:49<assem>k ill play with it more and bug u guys later , class time
10:49<assem>thanks for your help azeem =]
10:49<don7337>can the dir structure created by apt-proxy be used as a starting point to debmirror?
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10:49<don7337>so i do not have to waste bandwidth downloading the pkgs again?
10:50<lupine_85>falcon is quite nice for repo management
10:51<don7337>what's that?
10:51<lupine_85>a repository management and mirroring program
10:51<lupine_85>well, script, I suppose
10:52<don7337>the idea is i already have a working setup using apt-proxy. works ok for an internal lan but i want to move it to a www based setup
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10:54<don7337>falcon looks interesting.. will read it up
10:54<don7337>if anyone else here knows a good way to move an apt-proxy setup, let me know
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11:00<sasha>please does anybody know a grub parameter to blacklist the module ide-generic at boot
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11:01<azeem>sasha: boot a livecd, mount the partition, adjust the blacklist?
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11:02<sasha>ist it possible to do it with the install cd
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11:05<Alvane>Does windows chkdsk kill grub? I just tried booting back to Windows from grub for the first time since installing Linux, and it did a consisntency chkdsk (due to ntfsresize in install, I think), and grub seems to have gone. Is there an easy way to get it back? (If I boot to the live CD, can I just run the grub installation step?)
11:06<wietz0r>you need to boot and chroot
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11:10<alix>hi everyone
11:12<alix>i have a problem using lyx / latex
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11:13<|^o_o^|>I am trying to make system with debootstrap.while executing that command I get error W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/local/newdebian mount -t proc proc /proc
11:13<alix>when i generate pdf from latex citations apear in english like (vanlehn and mcala, 2001) so i want them like (vanlehn et mcala, 2001) in frensh
11:13<alix>any hep?
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11:15<alix>how can i setup bibtex citation langage?
11:15<harpal_>Where I am making a new system at newbebian folder.
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11:17<alix>where can i have support about lyx and latex?
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11:18<cahoot>alix, running texconfig doesn't help matters?
11:19<alix>cahoot: i'm using lyx
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11:24<padski>is htere such a thing as a very basic CMS in debian ?
11:26<suiside>padski:, learn to use it
11:27<padski>suiside: yeah, and the debtag browser is absolutely superb for that "widgets that do x" type of question, but sometimes it is nice to pick a human expert's brain if you can get one :-)
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11:27<harpal_>how to increase screen resolution?
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11:28<padski>harpal_: get a bigger screen ? ;-) edit xorg.conf. use a gui widget in your gui of choice ?
11:29<SorenStoutner>padski: I use Plone. But it's not on the basic end. Drupal is a little bit more toned down, but it still has a lot of options and a little bit of setup time.
11:30<harpal_>padski: I want to do it with xorg.conf. how to do that, because GUI is not working properly
11:30<padski>SorenStoutner: what I'm looking for is at the really simply end. I just want a web system that will let someone write/manage a simple 6 page web site.
11:31<frank>harpal_: edit your mode lines
11:31<frank>or maybe metamodes if you have
11:31<padski>harpal_: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11, you could edit it with your favourite text editor but this is probably not the recommended method these days :-)
11:31<SorenStoutner>padski: How about simply building 6 html pages (you could even user something like writer) and upload them to an Apache server?
11:31<padski>SorenStoutner: too easy :-)
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11:32<padski>SorenStoutner: but really, not far off of that. a simple template system of a simple menu a few bits of text and some css.
11:32<SorenStoutner>padski: All of the CMS I am aware of require setting up a database server, creating the database, setting up accounts to access the database, etc. Plus they have a lot of overhead in terms of performance.
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11:32<frank>harpal_: in kde/gnome resolution can also be set iirc, if there are mode lines in xorg.conf
11:33<padski>SorenStoutner: yeah this has to render to something as near as make sense static (which probably means html + css )
11:33<SorenStoutner>padski: Sound like you already know what you're doing.
11:33<padski>SorenStoutner: not a lot of content to manage really :-)
11:34<padski>SorenStoutner: It's such an obvious thing to do, I thought I would save myself the bother of rolling my own.
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11:36<padski>template driven web-site builder might be closer to the mark, description wise, but I do want it to be interactive and user-driven.
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11:37<padski>oh! exciting! p.d.o has a "similar packages" section now. cool! :-)
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11:41<padski>blogging engines is an overlap too.
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11:44<RetroJ>hello. how can I get a list of installed packages that depend on a given package?
11:44<the-me>with apt-cache rdepends
11:44<the-me>just read the manual
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11:48<padski>SorenStoutner: what do you make of this Java Content Repository stuff. will it take off ?
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11:51<gabrix>i'm configuring an access point
11:52<gabrix>i have a d-link pci card
11:52<gabrix>i installed on a wired linuxbox
11:52<gabrix>how do i bring up wlan0 interface?
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11:53<gabrix>i have installed wireless-tools
11:53<gabrix>and briged-utils
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11:54<sasha>hi cause of boot problem i chroot on my debian partition with a live cd , how can i now compile a new kernel and use apt-get
11:54<aycko>which debian version do i need for intel core 2 duo?
11:55<sasha>aycko : the last one etch 4.0R1
11:55<aycko>i tried with i386, because someone told me it would work, but somehow my cdrom is not known
11:55<aycko>so 4.0R0 does not work?
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11:56<aycko>i got a dell ubuntu computer and thaught i could install debian easily
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11:56<aycko>but thats not the case
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11:56<sasha>i have the same problem i tried with thr R1 and i managed to install with the install generic.all_generic_ide=1 but on boot i have some problems so i m investigating now
11:56<Eulex>aycko, define 'doesn't work'
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11:57<sasha>the cd rom is not found and it propose to load a module from floppy no ?
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11:57<fxiny>4.0R0 will work : buggy zero versions are red hat privilege :P
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11:57<aycko>Eulex: what does that mean?
11:57<aycko>sasha: exactly
11:57<Eulex>aycko, in any case, the reason it's not working is not likely to be the cpu, more likely to be the chipset.
11:58<aycko>you mean my motherbord?
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11:58<sasha>so try the boot option "install generic.all_generic_ide=1 "
11:58<Eulex>yes, your motherboard has a chipset.
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12:00<sasha>aycko : try this boot option , but it seems that after installation there is a problem between ide-generic and ata-piix module so i m block there
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12:01<aycko>i guess i should use my laptop for chatting ;)
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12:01<aycko>i will try the option... if does not work i will log on on another computer
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12:01<sasha>ok , do you have a sata disk
12:01<aycko>i do
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12:01<aycko>will genric ide work?
12:02<sasha>so look i will explain my problem (loged on another comp also)
12:02<sasha>i managed to install with that option
12:02<aycko>i will try too
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12:02<sasha>but after boot i have a message like ide0 I/O resource xxx xxx not free
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12:03<sasha>and after some times it says no /dev/hda1 disk found
12:03<sasha>and i have a prompt with initramfs
12:03<sasha>there are some explanation about it on google
12:04<sasha>so actually i booting with a live cd and rying to blacklist the ide-generic module
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12:05<sasha>but nobody can help me so far ;(
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12:06<luigi>kennt wär nen player für die shell
12:06<dpkg>de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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12:07<fxiny>JasonS: your wow signal detector is faster then mine ;)
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12:14<sasha>where is the equivqlent to this file in debian /etc/mkinitrd/modules
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12:15<aycko>ok it is not possible to install etch the easy way
12:15<aycko>in the install menu all my keystrokes are evaluated twice
12:16<aycko>and debian cannot figure out my cdrom device
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12:16<sasha>ever with the install generic .....
12:17<aycko>yeah its not possible
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12:17<sasha>so then look at your bios configuration
12:18<sasha>change SATA mode from "AUTO" to "ENHANCED MODE
12:20<sasha>could someone explain me how to download compile and install a testing / unstable kernel during a net intall
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12:22<aycko>sasha: its not possible to set it to "enhenced mode"
12:22<aycko>i have ide and raid
12:23<aycko>as options
12:23<aycko>and ide is selected
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12:23<sasha>aycko so then i cannot help you anymore; i m facing such a problem also
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12:31<sasha>aycko : did ou used a 4.0r1 cd ?
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12:33[~]warezman slaps `villain` around a bit with a large trout
12:33<aycko>sorry ;)
12:33<aycko>no i used debian 4.0r0
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12:34<sasha>ok with the r0 it didn twotked for me also but wih the r1 yes
12:34<aycko>ok.. i will try that
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12:35<sasha>will you try it now ? cause i m actually investgating th same problem as you
12:35<nico___>is there a real word for "uptodateness"? :o)
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12:37<aycko>sasha: actually i need to download 40r1 ;)
12:37<aycko>that could take a while
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12:38<sasha>ok , maybe if it works and that you face the same boot problems i ll can help you cause i m actually under high invetigation :)
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12:40<warezman>are we have kde?
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12:42<JasonS>warezman: have kde?
12:43<sasha>aycko : if it works and you face a boot problem with message ide ....... then take a look here
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12:43<sasha>replace just /etc/mkinird/modules with /etc/initramfstools/modules
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12:44<kop>Where are ssh inactivity timeout set? I know about the shell $TMOUT, and stty's time setting. What else will timeout an inactive connection?
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12:45<warezman>I have x-server and KDE...launching works all right through startx, but I don't know how to set up that right after the x-server and kde start I don't have to log in and start startx... I tried update.rc.d, but there isn't anything to launch kde+xserver in /etc/init.d/
12:45<warezman>I also tried to set default rc to 5 and it didn't help. don't i miss some package? or something similiar... thanks
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12:46<petemc>kop: silly firewalls
12:47<fxiny>warezman: kdm
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12:47<kop>petemc: Good point. I suppose there's also dhcp to re-assign ip numbers. (I assume that you mean the firewall will simply kill long-lived connections for dumb reasons.)
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12:49<fxiny>warezman: or : echo 'exec startkde' >> ~/.xsession then startx
12:50<aycko>sasha: i will look into my documentation. i got a ubuntu installation with it. perhaps this problem is solved there.
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12:56<kop>!tell johnon -about ask
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12:59<Skumlesen>has anyone every had a mysql.sock error when trying to connect to their sql database, The server runs I see pid, but not able to connect?
12:59<aycko>Skumlesen: are u on localhost?
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12:59<aycko>or are u trying to connect remote?
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13:00<Skumlesen>it worked yesterday, and I have not changed config, - its localhost
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13:00<aycko>well restart mysql daemon
13:00<aycko>and try again
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13:01<Skumlesen>ok, lets say I done that, alot, any other tips?
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13:02<jorocaro>hello there
13:02<aycko>can you see the socket with nmap?
13:02<Skumlesen>aycko no
13:03<Skumlesen>but thanks, I just wanted to know if anyone had an idea :-)
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13:04<Skumlesen>gonna try to reinstall mysql
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13:04<aycko>;) but use --purge
13:04<aycko>sasha: it worked
13:05<aycko>i just set the sata mode to a different mode
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13:10<Alvane>Hello, I've got a bit of a problem - I'm running a newly installed debian on an old tablet PC (Compaq TC1000 with a transmeta crusoe processor), but my problem is that the fan never seems to come on in the machine, unlike in Windows, even when doing taxing things, the result being the machine getting very hot and exhibiting signs of overheating. I'd appreciate any ideas or pointers
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13:16<E0x>Alvane: maybe need a kernel specific option
13:17<E0x>here is howto of gentoo install but can give you some guide of what do
13:17<E0x>for customize your debian
13:17<E0x>for that laptop
13:18<E0x>another link too :
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13:20<Alvane>Thanks, E0x - I did my best to look over those before I installed, but unfortunately I'm still none the wiser as to what exactly is wrong - am I thinking the problem lies in ACPI?
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13:27<panagos>does anyone know any good prolog channel?
13:28<lupine_85>#suicide ?
13:28<panagos>mezod: on what network? oftc?
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13:28<mezod>no i asked if u referr to swi prolof
13:29<panagos>mezod: yes
13:29<mezod>i found one but dont remember where exactly
13:29<panagos>mezod: not that it is that important, i guess
13:29<panagos>* that was off context
13:30<E0x>Alvane: yes maybe
13:30<mezod>panagos i think it was in quakenet
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13:30<mezod>but it hasnt many ppl
13:30<azeem>that isn't surprising
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13:31<panagos>mezod: i found some channels, but they mostly have 1-3 users! :(
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13:31<azeem>panagos: prolog isn't exactly a mainstream programming languague
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13:32<mezod>i use it in university
13:32<jeremiah>There is no _one_ single server that can handle both ftp and scp is there?
13:32<lupine_85>foka: test failed
13:32<panagos>azeem: me too
13:32<jeremiah>One has to have ssh for scp
13:32<kurumin>oi tudo bem meu nome é hálika
13:32<panagos>azeem: in uni
13:32<lupine_85>sftp works over ssh
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13:33<foka>lupine_85: Hehe. For some reasons, I thought Debian's IRC moved back to Freenode. I guess I was mistaken. :-)
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13:33<jeremiah>lupine_85: So if one installs ssh, you can use scp, and sftp?
13:33<mezod>panagos in which uni do u study?
13:33<ifvoid>jeremiah: yes
13:33<jeremiah>But not ftp?
13:33<ifvoid>no, ftp is something totally different
13:33<ifvoid>the name of sftp is a bit ill-chosen
13:33<jeremiah>For ftp you need a dedicated server, correct?
13:34<jeremiah>Okay, thank ifvoid
13:34<panagos>mezod: aristotle uni of thessaloniki, greece ...
13:34<jeremiah>Sorry, I meant thank you.
13:34<panagos>mezod: you? :D
13:34<azeem>mezod, panagos: please take this to a private conversation, this channel is for Debian support
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13:34<jeremiah>Yeah, sftp means, as I understand it, Secure File Transfer Protocol
13:35<lupine_85>sftp >> ftp :)
13:35<jeremiah>And I am not sure how that relates to ssh
13:35<mezod>azeem kk sorry
13:35<jeremiah>Except that ssh speaks various protocols encrypted over the wire, as it were.
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13:37<jeremiah>Couldn't one use stunnel and an ftp server like proftp as well?
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13:37<jeremiah>But that is two things to configure as opposed to just ssh?
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13:38<jeremiah>Sorry for all the excruciating detail. I'll stop now.
13:38<paef>okay having problems
13:38<paef>luff:/glftpd/bin# chroot /test/
13:38<paef>/bin/bash: relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file with link time reference
13:38<paef>get that
13:38<paef>don't even have a /lib/tls dir :s
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13:40<jeremiah>paef: You are testing a chroot?
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13:42<paef>jeremiah yeah
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13:52<ranix>I have a mysql server running on a 1.2ghz Duron, kind of old. I used to be able to do pretty decent speed searches of large quantities of medical data (medicare CPT codes, about 90 megs of raw text) but now my server is just eating dirt when I try to do any query of more than one table and taking forever
13:52<kapat>Anyone here know about suspend/resume? I've got a Latitude X1, and the screen stays blank after resuming in some circumstances.
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13:52<kapat>Running Lenny atm
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13:52<ranix>mysqld jumps to taking up 98% cpu but ram usage stays low. It just dies. What gives?
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14:03<assem>hey azeem still around by chance?
14:03<assem>i managed to get gcc to link without complaining about undefined symbols but i still have runtime undefined reference to g_once_init_enter_impl
14:04<assem>the makefile was setup to use glib from /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib so i tweaked that but libpango still complaining about the missing symbol
14:05<azeem>you didn't say anything about glib on /usr/local/lib
14:05<assem>i didnt know at the time =[
14:05<azeem>oh, who installed it there?
14:05<assem>why is that even left on my system
14:05<assem>i upgraded from stable to unstable last week
14:05<azeem>that wouldn't put glib into /usr/local/lib
14:05<assem>some part of that process is all i can think of
14:06<azeem>plus, wouldn't it display /usr/local/lib in libpango output?
14:07<assem>nah it just whines : /usr/lib/ : undefined symbol: gonceinitenter etc.
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14:07<assem>and pango is correctly linked to /usr/lib/glib from ldd output :O
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14:08<azeem>assem: what about the built program?
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14:09<assem>terranpro@triforce:~/Projects/gftp/src$ ./gftp ./gftp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl
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14:09<azeem>what's its ldd output?
14:09<ifvoid>looks like a version mismatch between pango and glib
14:09<azeem>and check, not libpango
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14:10<assem>ah bingo
14:10<assem>usr local lib/ glib
14:10<azeem>from ldd?
14:10<assem>i specifically told gcc to use /usr/lib/glib though
14:10<assem>maybe i missed something in the Makefile
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14:10<azeem>I don't think it's so easy
14:11<azeem>this is /dynamic/ linking you know
14:11<azeem>unless you set an rpath, it will just take what the linker finds
14:11<ifvoid>assem: you should probably remove the old versions from /usr/local
14:11<azeem>and usually /usr/local/lib takes precedence
14:11<assem>would it hurt then to just remove it
14:11<assem>or ln -s it to the good stuff?
14:11<azeem>assem: remove it unless you need it for other custom compiled stuff
14:11<assem>ok sounds good =] thanks guys
14:11<ifvoid>assem: but of course, other software on your system might need it
14:12<azeem>cruft in /usr/local/lib is the #1 reason for weird breakage
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14:18<dms>anyone know how to reduce the time-wait? ie. wait less time for ACK?
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14:19<ifvoid>dms: uh? what are you talking about?
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14:19<dms>having a syn flood problem. I have enabled syncookies but it's still having trouble
14:20<dms>i thought if i can get it to timeout the connections quicker it may help
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14:20<ifvoid>can;t you just firewall out the culprit?
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14:20<dms>its from a load of IPs unfortunatly
14:21<ifvoid>ah, annoying
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14:21<nico___>anyone here using a macbook?
14:21<ifvoid>something in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 perhaps
14:21<ifvoid>but I really don't know much about it
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14:21<dms>thanks anyway :)
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14:23<lupine_85>syn flooding? isn't it a kernel build-time option?
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14:26<aycko>how can i tell which chipset my network card uses?
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14:26<aycko>i could not intall it on the debian install so i need to do it manually
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14:26<petemc>or lsusb
14:26<aycko>yeah i did that
14:26<aycko>it tells me Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 10c0
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14:27<aycko>but i dont know what to do with that
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14:27<petemc>you could try update-pciids, but you might want a newer kernel
14:27<kevinl>anyone have opinions on firestarter? ipchains frontend for gnome. works easy for me, for blocking/allowing and masqing, but i cant figure out how to let it allow my entire localnetwork for inbound traffic ? I have tried 192.168.1 ,, .255, .* etc
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14:27<kevinl>i think i have the syntax wrong.. getting tired of typing in each IP i want to allow
14:28<petemc>kevinl: i dont use it, but perhaps you want
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14:28<lupine_85>kevinl: normally you'd specify IP + CIDR
14:28<petemc>erm, .0/24
14:28<lupine_85>as petemc notes
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14:28<kevinl>ya it says that is invalid :(
14:28<lupine_85>although, doesn't iptables use e.g. 192.168.0/24 ?
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14:29<ifvoid>lupine_85: yes
14:29<ifvoid>lupine_85: well, with an extra 0 at the end
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14:29<lupine_85>missing out the extra .0 was intentional on my part ;)
14:29<petemc>thats not the way i use it with iptables
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14:30<ifvoid> would be the correct way
14:30<ifvoid>or possible
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14:30<kevinl>it allows 192.168.1/25
14:30<kevinl>byut not with the .0
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14:30<dms>is it possibel to find out what options the running kernel was compiled with?
14:30<kevinl>but it also allows 192.168.1
14:30<lupine_85>aha, woo
14:30<kevinl>dms, /boot
14:30<kevinl>theres a config file
14:31<kevinl>in there somewhere
14:31<dms>thanks :)
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14:31<kevinl>that is a copy of the configuration that whoever in debian or kernel team used to compile your kernel
14:31<dkr>dms: /boot/config*
14:31<kevinl>so you can use it has a template for compiling your own
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14:33<PBD>hi,can someone give a little help with free bsd to start it into vmwareplayer?
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14:34<PBD>i need login and password...
14:34<SchroedingersK>anyone here, who can help me with xen? :-)
14:34<lupine_85>well. those will be in the documentation
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14:37<gnufan>aycko: there is some discussion in the Ubuntu forums about this card. One reports claims that "modprobe e100" recognised it. Odd, what sort of PC is it?
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14:39<_chealer>aycko: did you run update-pciids recently?
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14:41<aycko>_chealer: actually i cannot run it ;)
14:42<aycko>but on my computer it states the same i guess
14:42<chealer>aycko: why?
14:42<aycko>the number 10c0 is wrong, it belongs to another company
14:42<aycko>something is messed up
14:42<SchroedingersK>i am trying to use xen from the packages, but getting the error "4gb seg fixup" while creating a new domU... nothing seems to help, i found in google. has anyone an idea, what i can do expecting compile my own kernel?
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14:44<aycko>gnufan: could u post me the link?
14:44<gnufan>It is mostly the blind leading the blind....
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14:45<aycko>;) thanks
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14:47<petemc>SchroedingersK: etch packages?
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14:49<petemc>SchroedingersK: you have libc6-xen installed?
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14:49<SchroedingersK>petemc: yes
14:49<petemc>is the domU debian?
14:49<SchroedingersK>petemc: yes :-)
14:49<petemc>you have libc6-xen installed there too?
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14:50<SchroedingersK>petemc: how i can do this? it didnt start. and the errors come on creating a domU
14:51<petemc>those errors prevent you from continuing?
14:52<SchroedingersK>hm, i dont know... but i thought
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14:52<SchroedingersK>the created domU didnt start
14:53<petemc>you can chroot to it and install the package
14:53<petemc>but i didnt think those errors were terminal
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14:55<SchroedingersK>petemc: errormessages on starting domU are... "vif5.0: link is not ready" or "Error: device 2049 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working."
14:55<petemc>which network script are you using?
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14:56<cire>my apache2/access.log is empty, and I don't know why. How may I find the problem?
14:56<petemc>cire: its probably configured to log elsewhere
14:56<SchroedingersK>petemc: network-bridge
14:56<aycko>gnufan: ok i did that, somehow it seems to work. but i cannot get my eth0 up
14:57<gnufan>aycko: what did it log to kern.log, and what sort of PC is it....
14:57<aycko>gnufan: i get dmesg | tail something like: e100: Intel(R) Pro/100 Network Driver, 3.5.10-k2-NAPI
14:58<aycko>its a dell inspiron 530 N (The ubuntu version)
14:58<SchroedingersK>petemc: sorry... i dont know chroot very good... how to change to a lvm... how is the lvm called exactly? i know the "base"-lvm-name but not more... :-(
14:58<petemc>not sure i follow
14:58<petemc>did you set up lvm?
14:59<SchroedingersK>petemc: yes
14:59<SchroedingersK>but not sure, how to chroot
14:59<petemc>type "lvs"
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15:00<SchroedingersK>yes... and?
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15:00<petemc>if you want to chroot, mount the volume, cd to it and chroot .
15:00<petemc>im not sure thats your problrm
15:01<petemc>btw, im not here to spoonfeed stuff to you, you might want to do some reading yourself
15:01<aycko>gnufan: so did it figure out what my card is?
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15:02<aycko>this is so bad...
15:02<SchroedingersK>petemc: lvs shows no "new" volumes...
15:03<gnufan>aycko: you'll have to do a Debianized version of the solution. is the place to start for these sort of issues. The folks there are really nice, but they are busy so do your homework.
15:03<SchroedingersK>maybe creating the domU didn't created it?
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15:03<petemc>SchroedingersK: how did you create the domU?
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15:04<aycko>gnufan: thank you i will look into it. still, i am kind of pissed off. i paid dell so they make a computer which has no driver issues with linux.
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15:04<aycko>still there are so many problems.
15:04<petemc>did it come with a working version of ubuntu?
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15:05<SchroedingersK>petemc: configured the xen-tools.conf and then "xen-create-image"...
15:05<SchroedingersK>in the xen-tools.conf i set the parameter lvm=xy
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15:05<aycko>no... at least not really
15:05<petemc>SchroedingersK: oh, ive never used xen-tools
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15:05<petemc>aycko: what didnt work?
15:05<aycko>it could boot and stuff.
15:05<petemc>thats a start
15:05<aycko>but for example my monitor was not with the right driver
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15:06<aycko>it had vesa
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15:06<SchroedingersK>petemc: you are using any other comfortable way to create?
15:06<aycko>so that sucks. i could have bought any card to do that.
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15:06<petemc>SchroedingersK: i just create the volumes myself and use debootstrap, its not the "handiest" way but it works for me
15:07<SchroedingersK>petemc: hm... ok, i will try this way. hope it works better
15:07<gnufan>aycko: I built my own box to make sure all the hardware was supported -- you don't want to know how bad installing Debian was on it. On the otherhand it works better than my DELL box now it is installed. But I think it is the nature of new hardware to need newer kernels than most distros have. What hacks me is the poor RAID and tape support on my DELL, they are falling out of the range of developer interest, despite only being a few years old.
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15:08<SchroedingersK>petemc: thanks for the help
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15:10<aycko>gnufan: i know what you mean. i have a laptop which is totally not linux compatible and needed to do everything myself.
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15:11<aycko>the point is. i bought a dell computer, because i thought that they would use some "approved" hardware, which is know to current distros
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15:12<aycko>thus i dont have some fancy components
15:12<aycko>whatever. is there some better solution then just stick to debian testing?
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15:17<SamuraiDio>i'm having a problem here, i dont know the when exact it occurs, it seens after an update
15:17<vsrinivas>anyone here know how I can convert STL files to STEP files?
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15:18<SamuraiDio>all my file types are handled by their default apps in my filebrowser (thunar) when i had, previously, changed'em to be opened by other apps
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15:27<knoppix_UKM>hiya all
15:28<knoppix_UKM>hello witte good evening
15:29<witte>knoppix_UKM: if you have a question, just ask, this is not really a chat channel
15:29<knoppix_UKM>aaha ok i see thankyou witte
15:30<knoppix_UKM>I would like to know how to install VLC media player on Knoppix though
15:30<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
15:31<knoppix_UKM>ok dpkg thankyou
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15:41<chealer>aycko: why wouldn't you use stable?
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16:01<Dougsmellon>Hi! Can anyone answer a newbie question?
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16:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:02<lupine_85>possibly :p
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16:02<Dougsmellon>I'm running zoneminder (unstable) and the author notes the following: "There is one manual step to get the web interface working.
16:02<Dougsmellon>You need to link /etc/zm/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d/zoneminder.conf,
16:02<Dougsmellon>then reload the apache config (i.e. /etc/init.d/apache2 reload)
16:03<Dougsmellon>I have no clue what to do here.
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16:03<Dougsmellon>I don't know what to link.
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16:04<witte>Dougsmellon: open a terminal
16:05<witte>Dougsmellon: login as root ("su" command) or use sudo command to do the following:
16:05<Dougsmellon>logged in as root already
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16:06<witte>ln -s /etc/zm/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/zoneminder.conf
16:07<witte>or the other way around, I always mix that up
16:07<Dougsmellon>i'll try it now
16:07<aycko>what do i need to do if my network driver is installed but my network does not come up?
16:07<witte>Dougsmellon: (copy paste in linux == select it and use the middle mouse button to paste)
16:08<petemc>Dougsmellon: can you pastebin the contents of apache.conf
16:08<witte>aycko: configure /etc/network/interfaces
16:08<petemc>i thought conf.d was a global thing
16:09<chealer>aycko: load it?
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16:09<Dougsmellon>yup. It's there.
16:09<Dougsmellon>thank you.
16:09<Dougsmellon>I guess "link: means to copy it in this case, eh?
16:10<SchroedingersK>petemc: ... again problems :-( creating the domU using debootstrap seems to work, but i get a lot of the errors "4gb seg fixup" and after that, chroot doesnt work.
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16:10<witte>Dougsmellon: and to restart apache, just do "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload"
16:10<aycko>hmm... does not work.
16:10<Dougsmellon>I'll just reload apache config and see if it works.
16:10<witte>Dougsmellon: no, it means link
16:10<SchroedingersK>petemc: chroot: cannot run command '/bin/bash': No such file or...
16:11<aycko>chealer: what do you mean by load? ifconfig eth0 up?
16:11<chealer>aycko: if the driver's module is named "foo", # modprobe foo
16:12<aycko>chealer: i did that
16:12<aycko>dmesg tells me too
16:12<Dougsmellon>apache2 reload from the /etc/init.d did not work.
16:13<petemc>SchroedingersK: chroot /mnt/point /bin/bash
16:13<Dougsmellon>there's no "reload" in the apache2 options.
16:13<petemc>there should be
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16:14<SchroedingersK>petemc: no... :-(
16:14<lupine_85>so stop, then start
16:14<petemc>SchroedingersK: works for me
16:14<Dougsmellon>can i just reboot to get the same effect?
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16:14<petemc>SchroedingersK: you try to start the domU, then chroot?
16:14<lupine_85>sure you can
16:14<witte>Dougsmellon: does not work is not really saying anything
16:15<miksuh>Dougsmellon: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
16:15<SchroedingersK>petemc: no, i try chroot without start domU
16:15<chealer>Dougsmellon: yes, but reload should work
16:15<petemc>SchroedingersK: right
16:15<aycko>isnt it restart?
16:15<petemc>reload should work
16:15<chealer>aycko: both
16:15<miksuh>that should help
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16:16<Dougsmellon>I'm in BASH and as a root. After the restart command, only the options show up for apache2
16:16<Dougsmellon>says command not found
16:16<petemc>show the exact command you're typing
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16:17<Dougsmellon>"/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
16:17<SchroedingersK>petemc: /mnt/point/bin/bash exists but idk why it didnt work
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16:17<witte>Dougsmellon: and the error?
16:17<petemc>SchroedingersK: not sure, ive had no such issues
16:17<Dougsmellon>no error. Just the usage and options list for apache2
16:18<SchroedingersK>petemc: hm.. ok
16:18<petemc>Dougsmellon: that should work, and id be worried if it didnt, but you can try apache2ctl restart
16:18<Dougsmellon>I'll just reboot the damn box
16:18<miksuh>SchroedingersK: if you installed apache2 from debian repository then it should work
16:18<SchroedingersK>miksuh: ^^ :-D
16:18<Dougsmellon>ok got it with apache2ctl restart
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16:19<Dougsmellon>Thank you people.
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16:19<NooB>Plz, help me
16:19<Dougsmellon>and now my web interface appears!
16:19<NooB>i search a sources.list
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16:19<witte>NooB: you can find one in /etc/apt/ ;-)
16:20<NooB>yes, but a complete
16:20<NooB>im comin from ubutnu
16:20<miksuh>I'll msg you mine
16:20<NooB>and, i search how to hange the cursor
16:20<witte>look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:20<NooB>an appz than gcursor
16:21<witte>NooB: but edit the file to use a mirror nearby
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16:23<NooB>how to change the cursor?
16:23<chaoticmass>Every item I try to apt-get install something it says "Failed to fetch .../linux-image-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb 404 Not Found" It says this and I'm not trying to install a kernel. How do I unmark this package so it will stop trying to install it?
16:23<witte>NooB: never tried that, but probably that is depending on your windowmanager?
16:23<chaoticmass>Every time*
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16:24<witte>chaoticmass: try apt-get install -f
16:24<NooB>how to change the cursor on gnome?
16:25<witte>NooB: I do not use gnome, but probably there is a gnome-config thingy somewhere in the menu
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16:25<chaoticmass>witte: some 404 error, problem persists
16:25<witte>chaoticmass: did you recently do a apt-get update?
16:26<chaoticmass>witte: yeah
16:26<witte>2.6.18-4 is not available anymore, it is replaced
16:26<witte>so it should not find it
16:26<chaoticmass>yeah, and it'd be nice if it'd quit trying to download it
16:26<witte>question is why he wants to download it
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16:27<witte>chaoticmass: do a dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6.18-4
16:28<chaoticmass>rHR linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
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16:28<NooB>how to install pidgin?
16:28<witte>chaoticmass: ok, that means it is not decently installed
16:28<witte>NooB: apt-get install pidgin?
16:29<chaoticmass>I think I tried a upgrade and it is trying to upgrade it
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16:29<NooB>i havnt the sources.list server for pidgin
16:29<NooB>it say it doesn't found it
16:29<witte>NooB: are you running stable (etch?)
16:30<chaoticmass>was playing with some KDE based package manager and it said "upgrade all packages" or something. Seemed like a good idea. Now I think it's stuck trying to upgrade this kernel thats not available?
16:30<miksuh>pidgin is not in etch, if you use etch
16:30<witte>chaoticmass: you could try dpkg --reconfigure -a
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16:31<chaoticmass>dpkg-reconfigure ?
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16:31<Golfgeo>Hi all
16:31<miksuh>but gaim is in etch
16:31<chealer>chaoticmass: which kernel do you run?
16:31<witte>chaoticmass: or that one, it is somethign different, I should look in the manual
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16:32<chaoticmass>chealer : 2.6.18-4-486
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16:32<chealer>chaoticmass: what happens if you run # apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 linux-image-2.6.18-4-486-
16:33<witte>chaoticmass: are you sure? I think that one is not decently installed
16:33<chaoticmass>witte: it was installed just fine until I somehow asked for it to be 'updated'
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16:34<chaoticmass>chealer: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 results in "cant get 2.6.18-4 archive not found" stuff. It wants to download the 2.6.18-4-486 no matter what
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16:35<chaoticmass>witte: I am currently booted and running the 2.6.18-4-486 kernel
16:35<chealer>chaoticmass: did you try the command I wrote?
16:35<chaoticmass>chealer: oh I thought you typoed.
16:35<chaoticmass>chealer : 1 sec
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16:36<chaoticmass>chealer : I typed it in, this may be working
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16:36<chaoticmass>lol "linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 is in a very bad inconsistent state, you should reinstall it before removing it"
16:38<xbc>hi, i'm using testing and i would like to install gnash from unstable. What would be the best way of doing this?
16:38<chaoticmass>chealer: should I remove the package?
16:38<lupine_85>add unstable repos at low priority; then apt-get install -t unstable gnash
16:38<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
16:38<chaoticmass>er, or what should I do
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16:39<xbc>thanks lupine_85!
16:39<lupine_85>no charge
16:39<chealer>chaoticmass: if you can, yes, but that indicates it want to be installed before being removed.
16:40<witte>chaoticmass: run the command again with --force-yes?
16:40<chealer>chaoticmass: please provide the output of $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
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16:41<chaoticmass>chealer : know an easy way to do that within bitchx? Cant copy paste.
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16:41<witte>!tell chaoticmass about pastebin
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16:45<chaoticmass>chealer : any revelations?
16:46<chealer>chaoticmass: it looks like your packages index is outdated. did you run an "update" recently?
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16:46<chaoticmass>like 5 mins ago
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16:46<john>petemc, you around?
16:46<chealer>chaoticmass: that completes without errors/warnings?
16:46<chaoticmass>just ran it again
16:47<chealer>chaoticmass: do you get the same output for policy now? " etch/main Packages" shouldn't provide linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 anymore.
16:47<john>it seems possibly I have made a error between my /etc/hosts file and my /etc/hostname file, I have tried to switch them around a bit but no luck... comes up but does not
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16:47<chaoticmass>chealer : 1 min
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16:49<john>any ideas?
16:50<chaoticmass>john: wildcard record not set on DNS server?
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16:51<john>it is ....
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16:51<john>think I just got it
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16:52<dms>ok so i've got this problem :(
16:52<tarzeau>does someone know how to create an outline font from a bitmapped one?
16:53<chealer>chaoticmass: hum, there seems to be a mirror bug. I need to go eat, I'll be back later.
16:53<dms>looks like the IP address of this server is in some .torrent file somewhere as the tracker for something. The server is getting hammered with HTTP GET requests for a non-existant torrent. any idea how i can trace it to find out where this is all coming from?
16:53<chaoticmass>chealer : thanks. so maybe changing mirrors could help
16:55<aycko>is this some ddos?
16:56<aycko>just adding your server as some torrent and letting the torrent community kill your server
16:57<elvis2>i am sorry i disturb u guys for my mistake
16:57<elvis2>all i had to do was chdisk it in windows and unmount safely and guess what i now have a read rite ntfs
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16:58<lupine_85>thought so :D
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16:59<dms>yeah pretty much. its getting hammered
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17:00<elvis2>hi lupine_85
17:00<elvis2>i spent over an hour running the check disk tool in wondows on the drive to make sure it was done right and it was
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17:01<chaoticmass>Restating my problem in case others have ideas. I have a package in an inconsistant state. I can't remove it until I reinstall it. I can't install it because it's not on the mirror. How do I escape this catch-22?
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17:01<elvis2>download it?
17:01<lupine_85>dpkg -r doesn't work?
17:01[~]dpkg removes doesn't work along with a pound of flesh from lupine_85's body, then staples lupine_85 back up with a staple gun.
17:02<chaoticmass>why dpkg, why?
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17:02<chaoticmass>lupine_85 so dpkg -r <packagename>?
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17:02<chaoticmass>Same warning "Package is in a very bad inconsistant state, you should reinstall it before attempting a removal"
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17:03<lupine_85>there's --force-stuff if needed
17:03<lupine_85>but this is the kernel, so we should be careful
17:03<chaoticmass>as long as I have a good kernel before I reboot, I should be ok
17:03<elvis2>chaoticmass, can u not find it in google and download it?
17:03<lupine_85>well, yes
17:03<chaoticmass>elvis2 : I shouldn't have to do that but I'll try it if I have to
17:04<lupine_85>once you've removed the old one, you can install a new one, but still
17:04<miksuh>you need kernel anyway, so you can't remove kernel package before you have installed new version :)
17:04<lupine_85>we should try avoiding dpkg -r --force-all libcomerr2
17:05<chaoticmass>lupine_85 : I guess that would be bad?
17:05<lupine_85>if you happen to be eric raymond, very bad ;)
17:05<chaoticmass>miksuh : I can't install anything until I install the kernel image it can't find
17:06<lupine_85>in your situation, I would try --force-all, but... it could be dangerous
17:07<chaoticmass>lupine_85 : done. now installing new kernel :)
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17:07<chaoticmass>will double check grub and /boot stuff before rebooting :[
17:07<lupine_85>good plan :)
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17:09<chaoticmass>least now I know how to slap around dpkg and make it listen to me
17:09|-|adam_ changed nick to maxamillion
17:09<lupine_85>don't use --force-stuff needlessly
17:09<witte>!slap dpkg
17:09[~]dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across dpkg's face
17:09<lupine_85>it can be extremely dangerous
17:09<chaoticmass>yeah, end up with a wrecked system
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17:10<witte>lupine_85: that is no problem at all
17:10<witte>everyone has backups nowadays
17:10<lupine_85>if only
17:11<lupine_85>lvm snapshots are also ftw for doing things that might be risky
17:11<chaoticmass>well, if I hosed this system I'd just have to waste time at work fixing it. At least I'd be on the clock
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17:12<chealer>chaoticmass: I'm back. tell me if you still have problems with the force
17:12<chaoticmass>installing an additional kernel (686) just in case..
17:12<chaoticmass>chealer : I did dpkg -r --force-all linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
17:13<chaoticmass>then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-486
17:13<chaoticmass>and also apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 just in case, so I know it should have a kernel installed right
17:13<lupine_85>installing linux-image-2.6 will get you kernel updates when they become available
17:13<elvis2>guess what i just found
17:14<chaoticmass>this all started cause I wanted to install nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-486
17:14<elvis2>an old bit of document that has wireless information in it
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17:16<chaoticmass>rebooting. we'll see if this worked
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17:16<lupine_85>good luck :)
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17:18<xbc>someone here who got youtube working with Gnash 0.8.1?
17:18<lupine_85>gnash isn't ready for prime-time yet
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17:26<amio>hi can I get some help from here?
17:26<amio>I am trying to installl debian on my pc
17:26<lupine_85>definitely not :p
17:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:27<amio>after success installing I download beryl but I see that there are no effects at all?
17:27<elvis2>ok why is 3g using space?
17:27<amio>how can I enable effects in debian?
17:27<elvis2>i deleteing files and it appears to be using space
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17:27<elvis2>there support site dont help
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17:28<miksuh>amio: first, which gfx-card you have?
17:28<lupine_85>you need working 3D acceleration; then you need to correctly configure beryl and run it, along with a window decorator (emerald, aquamarine or heliodor)
17:29<lupine_85>note that beryl is becoming obsolete these days
17:29<marcelo_>quien me dice como se puede saber la gateway y la network? tengo k instalar zimbra en linux aparte de usar ifconfig? xk con este comando no los vi
17:29<chealer>!tell marcelo_ about es
17:29<amio>well the thing is
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17:29<elvis2>oooops theres a hidden . trash file :(
17:30<marcelo_>it is a error!
17:30<marcelo_>the debian-es are open
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17:30<miksuh>amio: I ask this because it matters which card you have. You need aiglx or xgl
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17:31<amio>I have installed ubuntu previously. beryl works very good on it when I enable previously the desktop effects. but when I install beryl on debian I dont see any effects working. I have installed all things for beryl
17:31<amio>I have ATI
17:31<amio>and beryl also compiz works on it as I see on ubuntu how it works
17:31<lupine_85>ATi fglrx or ATi "ati"/"radeon" drivers ?
17:32<amio>its radeon m700
17:32<miksuh>Aati fglrx drivers don't have siglx support so you use opensource ati drivers?
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17:32<miksuh>damn it's too late, i make too many typos :)
17:33<amio>all what I know its ATI RADEON MOBILITY M7
17:34<lupine_85>amio: grep "Driver" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:34<amio>you mean I can see there?
17:34<lupine_85>note that there's a #beryl on Freenode
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17:34<lupine_85>amio: yep. that command will tell you what driver you're using
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17:35<amio>but I am using windows now
17:35<lupine_85>more fool you :
17:35<amio>is there any way to check from it/?
17:35<lupine_85>only if you can access your linux partition from windows
17:36<amio>well just recently I had some trouble dont know why
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17:36<amio>have downloaded ubuntu cd and burned it
17:36<amio>then installed it on the pc
17:36<amio>it worked good
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17:36<amio>even 5 times I had to format then installed it
17:37<amio>the reason was of some errors I get because I edited some files then I format
17:37<amio>but the thing is
17:37<amio>I have made 2 partitions one windows second ubuntu
17:37<amio>now I formated by ubuntu cd
17:37<amio>and tried to install again
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17:38<miksuh>Anyway. You most likely use opnsource ati-drivers if you don't know that you have installed ati's own fglrx drivers
17:38<lupine_85>debian != ubuntu
17:38<amio>but when it reachs to "select and install companents" after reaching 6% it stops
17:38<miksuh>then you need to make some changes to xorg.conf
17:38<amio>and says error
17:39<amio>but I am very new in linux dont know how to mess with these things because after making exactly whats in the tutorials I get an error and linux doesnt load
17:39<amio>I tried one time
17:39<amio>by putting what was on the debian pages
17:39<amio>then I even cannot restart debian
17:39<amio>so I need to format all times
17:39<amio>and nothing I get
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17:40<miksuh>Well do you really need beryl now? i think it would be best to try to lern to use the system first
17:40<chealer>it's looking good for chaoticmass
17:40<guillaume>hi, i have a problem with administrator terminal, when I try to launch it, I see that it start but stop before getting it, I think that it is a gksu pb as I try to open service manager and get the same pb, how can I fix it ? I try dpkg-reconfigure without success...
17:40<lupine_85>probably installing linux for the sole reason to have wobbly windows :/
17:40<mikkelorz>evening! anyone know a great way to make my debian router give all traffic thats not bittorrent higher priority? i basically just want the guys in the network to be able to play their games and listen to the radio without me having to cancel BT clients running... sorta like isp throttling but without the permanent speed reduction.. the guys wants "good ping"
17:40<lupine_85>chealer: very good :D
17:41<miksuh>lupine_85: heh
17:41<lupine_85>mikkelorz: if the router does QoS, then yes
17:41<amio>well any way if I may ask about the live cd
17:41<mikkelorz>my router is a debian box :]
17:41<lupine_85>oh, it's debian. then yes
17:41<amio>I have live debian with beryl installed and kde
17:41<amio>also I dont get the effetcs working
17:41<amio>so I can check from the live cd?
17:41<chealer>lupine_85: you knew that would happen, didn't you
17:41<mikkelorz>lupine_85: well sounds great.. what to do?
17:42<lupine_85>chealer: no.
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17:42<lupine_85>mikkelorz: I'm not really. never done it before
17:42<chealer>guillaume: you can't lie to me
17:42<guillaume>chealer: ??? what :)
17:42<chealer>guillaume: oops
17:42<lupine_85>chealer: there's no reason why it shouldn't have worked
17:42<chealer>guillaume: can you launch it manually?
17:42<chealer>lupine_85: just kidding
17:43<guillaume>chealer: yes, but it doesn't work with gnome desktop
17:43<chealer>amio: I don't think Debian Live has beryl
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17:43<chealer>guillaume: is gksu generally working?
17:44<mikkelorz>i heard about traffic shaper but also heard it went obsolete.. then i was thinking iptables.. but im really not into that kinda stuff just yet.. was thinking i could somehow just tell the box that traffic on a certain port should come last when routing
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17:45<lupine_85>I'm not sure /how/ it's done, but I know it can be. Google should know
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17:45<mikkelorz>ah too bad was hoping for a software name ;)
17:46<guillaume>chealer: I don't think so as the problem occur whenever I use a standard user profile and wanna launch tools that require to be root. These tools always refuse to start
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17:47<chealer>guillaume: does gksu work at all?
17:50<mikkelorz>amio: btw beryl went obsolete :] compiz is the new buzzword
17:50<mikkelorz>or well.. its discontinued anyway
17:52<mikkelorz>lupine_85: seems like wikipedia has the info i wanted.. thanks for saying QoS =D
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17:56<guillaume>chealer: could it be linked with a host name change ?
17:57<chealer>guillaume: I don't know. maybe
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18:18<J1G>er.. sorry but i want to know what is the font used for the Debian Logo? is it a free font? where i can find it?
18:19<azeem>J1G: I think it's not free
18:19<mezod>J1G try
18:19<azeem>that version pops up every couple of months, try to google with ""
18:19<mezod>if isnt there..
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18:21<J1G>ouch! not a free font? i was wonder why...
18:21<simonrvn>it's a nice font
18:21<J1G>btw, thanks mezod , azeem
18:22<simonrvn>i went looking many years ago for it... didn't find it IIRC, or some other hiccup
18:22<lupine_85>debian's non-free logo is a source of intermittent amusement to me
18:24<azeem>"BTW, the font used to write "Debian" in the logo is a payware font called Poppl Laudatio Condensed."
18:24<simonrvn>ah thanks azeem
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18:24<simonrvn>when i went looking the wiki wasn't there
18:24<simonrvn>(didn't exist)
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18:26<simonrvn>i wonder what kind of 'rights' you have when you do buy it
18:26<azeem>somewhat similar
18:26<simonrvn>thank you again azeem :)
18:26<azeem>that's mostly following one of the URLs on that wiki page
18:27<simonrvn>it is very similar. the t stands out
18:27<J1G>i wonder what kind of 'rights' you have when you do buy it <--- me too
18:27<azeem>simonrvn: you can see "debian" written in it if you enter it in the text box
18:27<simonrvn>oh i see, the tails on the ends are more symmetric
18:28<simonrvn>b's narrower in Poppl
18:29<simonrvn>the ascenders and descnders are a bit longer in poppl too
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18:29<lupine_85>we should steal the non-free font and make it free
18:29<lupine_85>hostile takeover, sort-of thing
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18:31<simonrvn>year 1982
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18:32<simonrvn>wow hehe
18:33<lupine_85>You'd have to be crazy to /purchase/ a font :D
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18:33<simonrvn>ah ok, that's why
18:33<simonrvn>. [WWW] Julien Blache annotated that the text has been condensed horizontally and stretched vertically.
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18:36<J1G>i was reading the wiki too :)
18:37<simonrvn>holy, 200 bucks
18:38<mikkelorz>simonrvn: not an unusual price for a font :]
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18:39<simonrvn>no, that's true
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18:40<mikkelorz>was looking at linotype fonts... now thats expensive hehe
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18:42<mikkelorz>think that was his first time on irc?
18:42<simonrvn>mikkelorz: well, yeh =)
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18:45<mikkelorz>aha just found the thing to save the pingtime ipp2p =D
18:45<mikkelorz>afk aswell.. this i gotta read :]
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18:51<guillaume>I have lots of trouble under lenny... many software refuse to start, and even alsaconf refuse to work for loading my hda_intel sound module.... what's going on ?
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18:52<chealer>like what? please be more specific about alsaconf's problem.
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18:55<guillaume>chealer: Well I have update Lenny with aptitude and get some trouble with starting gnome conf utils, I decided to restart my laptop and then see at boot that amixer couldn't load normaly so I decided to run alsaconf again to solve this pb but it fail to load the module into kernel.
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18:55<nexx>hey guys
18:55<nexx>i've got a problem :(
18:56<chealer>guillaume: is there an error problem?
18:56<nexx>i installed debian and all whent well, but on the first boot my monitors give me an "out of range" error
18:56<chealer>guillaume: aren't the problems with gnome conf utils the gksu issue we were discussing earlier?
18:57<guillaume>chealer: yes "The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" with alsaconf, there's a bug report about it but no fix until now
18:57<nexx>i booted up with a isolinux cd i had kicking around and took a look at the xorg.conf file and it had alot of wierd stuff in there, so i copied over the default xorg.conf off the isolinux cd to the hdd and rebooted
18:58<nexx>same problem
18:58<nexx>i have no idea what to do now
18:58<chealer>guillaume: is that really a problem for you? does the problem with amixer persist?
18:58<gravity>nexx: Try it with no xorg.conf
18:59<gravity>nexx: Just move xorg.conf to something like xorg.conf.bak and see how it goes
18:59<nexx>like just delete it?
18:59<gravity>nexx: Don't delete it, you may need it
18:59<lupine_85>dpkg-reconfigure ftw
18:59<nexx>well i've got it on my isolinux cd any ways, and the original is already gone :P
18:59<nexx>so it wont matter any ways
18:59<guillaume>chealer: yes it is because it unload the module and then there is no more sound output... amixer refuser to start as there's no module loaded for the soundcard
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19:00<nexx>but i'll try it and see what happens, just booting now
19:00[~]gravity shrugs
19:00<chealer>guillaume: before you run alsaconf, you have an amixer problem, but sound generally works, and after running it, sound doesn't work at all?
19:01<guillaume>chealer: right
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19:01<nexx>btw when i boot up with my cd i think it does some kind of ramdisk? so my root is not the root on the hdd...i have to mount it first, how do i change my root to the mounted partition?
19:01<chealer>guillaume: what's the bug report?
19:02<nexx>so i can do the dpkg-reconfigure
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19:03<mikkelorz>nexx: well the cd always makes a ramfs.. you gotta mount manually.. dunno if you can actually use dpkg on it from the install/live cd
19:03<posix>can anyone help me out with getting acceleration going on xorg with a radeon?
19:03<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05.
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19:04<nexx>i should be able to change my path and chroot into the other partition, im just not sure all the steps involved
19:04<nexx>$PATH = path
19:04<nexx>but i'll delete the xorg.conf first and see what happens
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19:05<mikkelorz>aye should just promt you with the setup wizard then :]
19:05<nexx>or maybe i dont need to chroot in, just change the path?
19:06<mikkelorz>i only know about xorg im afraid :/
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19:07<nexx>i deleted the xorg.conf file and rebooted...monitor 1 says "OUT OF RANGE, 74.6KhZ / 60hZ"
19:07<mikkelorz>k what monitor do you have?
19:08<nexx>lg l1751S
19:08<posix>Anyhow, dmesg reports fglrx loaded successfully.. I'm just not getting 3d acceleration, I imagine because I'm missing something from xorg.conf?
19:08<gravity>nexx: You need to manually specify the sync range with your old xorg.conf
19:08[~]gravity shakes his fist at shitty monitors
19:09<mikkelorz>same problem here gravity..they're new and nice.. but not within range hehe
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19:10<chealer>guillaume: does amixer show an error?
19:11<nexx>gravity: i have two monitors right, neither is working....should i try and do just one monitor?
19:11<gravity>nexx: Yeah, one at a time is good
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19:13<nexx>one thing i dont understand, if i do a ctr+alt+F1 to change to the shell login, it still gives me an out of range, is it possible this isn't an X problem?
19:13<gravity>nexx: Are you using fbdev?
19:13<nexx>i dont know what that is
19:17<mikkelorz>nexx: you're using nvidia y?
19:17<mikkelorz>thought so :]
19:17<gravity>That one's out of my jurisdiction
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19:17<nexx>mikkelorz: whats that change?
19:17<mikkelorz>i experienced that when i was trying out gentto
19:17<gravity>Although I'd have guessed that they'd at least have monitor sync ranges right
19:18<nexx>mikkelorz: do you know exactly what to change?
19:18<mikkelorz>you gotta use the latest drivers from nvidia
19:18<mikkelorz>the "stable" ones are bugged
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19:18<mikkelorz>anyways that was the problem on gentoo for me.. dunno what your driver version is
19:19<guillaume>chealer: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
19:19<mikkelorz>i tabbed outta x11 and all i got was black screen
19:19<mikkelorz>then i couldnt tab back in
19:19<nexx>cant i just use some kind of generic drivers?
19:19<nexx>at least to get a command line?
19:19<mikkelorz>yeah sure. they're called "nv"
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19:20<chealer>guillaume: did you upgrade *to* lenny or just update a system already on lenny?
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19:20<guillaume>chealer: just udate lenny
19:20<chealer>guillaume: when was your last upgrade?<
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19:21<nexx>ok for monitor i have "Identifier "Generic Monitor" option "DPMS""
19:21<guillaume>chealer: start the laptop under lenny and my lat upgrade was one hour ago
19:21<nexx>this is in the config file
19:21<nexx>does that sound ok?
19:21<chealer>guillaume: I mean, when the pre-last upgrade?
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19:22<nexx>what is option DPMS?
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19:22<mikkelorz>nexx: thats just generic i think
19:22<lupine_85>power management
19:22<chealer>guillaume: once the boot is complete, and before running alsaconf, does amixer work?
19:23<lupine_85>it's totally ftw
19:23<guillaume>chealer: one week
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19:23<guillaume>chealer: nope amixer never work
19:23<nexx>default depth is 24, what is depth?
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19:23<lupine_85>number of bpp
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19:23<chealer>guillaume: with the same error at boot and after boot?
19:23<mikkelorz>nexx: i remember setting some hori and vert sync rates with a cmd. sec gotta look that one up :]
19:23<guillaume>chealer: yes
19:24<nexx>mikkelorz: thanks
19:24<mikkelorz>nexx: y 24 is what you want unless you want to go oldschool hehe
19:24<nexx>lupine_85 should i change that?
19:24<nexx>i'll put 800X600 as the only mode just in case
19:24<guillaume>chealer: I look for the sound module but insmod fail to load it into kernel
19:25<chealer>guillaume: did you try modprobe?
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19:27<nexx>is it possible this is a kernel problem? i still think its wierd that i cant get a shell
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19:27<nexx>or maybe i should try and make it so that xserver doesn't start during boot or something like that?
19:28<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
19:28<guillaume>chealer: modprobe load modules correctly :)
19:28<Taypan>i need help
19:28<Supaplex>I'm no shrink
19:28<nexx>yeah i just replaced the .conf again and disconnected my second monitor and this time it says "OUT OF RANGE .5kHz / 15Hz"
19:29<Supaplex>!tell Taypan -about ask
19:29<chealer>guillaume: does amixer work after that?
19:29<mikkelorz>nexx: sounds odd.
19:29<Taypan>my sound is death
19:29<nexx>what is fN?
19:29<mikkelorz>nexx: Fbutton
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19:29<guillaume>chealer: amixer return mixer control settings
19:30<nexx>N being variable?
19:30<mikkelorz>think so =)
19:30<Supaplex>Taypan: elaborate
19:30<nexx>that doesn't work
19:30<chealer>guillaume: so until you reboot, everything works fine?
19:30<mikkelorz>just black screen ye?
19:30<nexx>black screen and monitor saying out of range
19:31<nexx>it doesn't even blink or flash or any thing
19:31<Supaplex>nexx: do you know the h/v sync ranges of your monitor? you could add those to the .conf
19:31<nexx>but at least i know the .conf had an effect on it, it did change the sync range
19:31<nexx>Supaplex: do you have a link with an example?
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19:32<guillaume>chealer: I think, I'll try mplayer in order to test output. For permanent module loading at boot what will I have to do ?
19:32<chealer>guillaume: /etc/modules
19:32<nexx>i'll look up the h/v's
19:32<Supaplex>nexx: I bet it's in xorg.conf man page
19:33<mikkelorz>nexx: i know it's an ubuntu tutorial but check it out anyways:
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19:33<nexx>Supaplex: ahh i didn't know there was a man for that
19:34<nexx>mikkelorz it says invalid link
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19:34<Taypan>where i can chat in spanish, in nobady is ther
19:34<lupine_85>you could try on freenode?
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19:36<guillaume>chealer: thk u
19:36<mikkelorz>nexx: my typing sucks atm :)
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19:39<mikkelorz>chatting on one computer and surfing on another gets problematic when trying to copy url's :p
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19:40<nexx>thanks mikkelorz, i'll try this out
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19:41<mikkelorz>nexx: btw only connect your primary monitor for starters.. and when that is running you can connect the second one..
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19:42<mikkelorz>easier to debug :]
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19:50<nexx>i'm a little confused on how to add this to the config.
19:51<nexx>do i type modeline with it?
19:53<nexx>or do i copy and paste the whole page into it?
19:54<tcsetattr>looks like a literal line from an X config file to me
19:54<nexx>well we'll see what happens here
19:54<tcsetattr>the whole line, including the "Modeline" keyword at the beginning
19:54<nexx>booting up now
19:55<nexx>omg still out of range
19:55<tcsetattr>trying to get 1280x1024 on a monitor that doesn't want to?
19:56<nexx>the monitor can do it
19:56<nexx>its done it before
19:56<nexx>trying to get linux to do it
19:57<tcsetattr>does your Modeline show up in the Xorg.log.0 ?
19:58<tcsetattr>is the *monitor* saying the input is out of range, or is the X server rejecting the modeline because it doesn't know the ranges for the monitor?
19:58<nexx>here is the problem, i cant boot into debian cuz i keep getting that out of range problem, so im using a bootable cd and configuring the files manually, i dont think i can run any auto config programs cuz of the environment not being the true root
19:58<nexx>the monitor is saying it
19:58<lupine_85>is the horizontal frequency within range?
19:58<tcsetattr>you can't boot even into text mode?
19:59<nexx>how do i do that?
19:59<tcsetattr>the real problem becomes clearer :) you equate failure to start the X server with failure to boot... that's not good
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20:00<nexx>ctr+alt+FN isn't working so im not sure what the problem is
20:00<nexx>i cant even get a shell when i boot into debian
20:01<tcsetattr>ok. you might be able to boot single-user mode but that's probably not necessary. if you're in with a live CD now, that's good enough
20:01<nexx>yes i can mount the file system into /mnt/debian
20:02<nexx>and see the files
20:03<nexx>also i deleted the original xorg.conf and used the one off my boot cd, its a bit different but i think its more generic so it should work
20:03<nexx>but if i wanted to get the original back i would have to use some sort of auto config app and i think i would have to chroot into debian
20:04<nexx>but im not sure how to do that correctly so that every thing works properly
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20:04<tcsetattr>I assume 75Hz vertical is not a problem. Horizontal Refresh Rate: 80.42 KHz - is that reasonable?
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20:04<nexx>i think thats right, lemme double check
20:04<lupine_85>it can do up to 83
20:04<tcsetattr>my monitor is like 13 years old so I ain't too smart with the modern refresh rates
20:05<lupine_85>whether it can do that @1280x1024@75Hz, well. Who know?
20:05<nexx>VERTICAL SCANNING FREQUENCIES 56-75Hz, Auto-Synchronous
20:05<nexx>thats off the spec sheet
20:05<nexx>AUTO-SYNC SUPPORT 640 x 350 up to 70Hz, 640 x 480 up to 70Hz, 720 x 400 up to 70Hz, 800 x 600 up to 75Hz,
20:05<nexx>832 x 624 up to 75Hz, 1024 x 768 up to 75Hz, 1152 x 870 up to 75Hz, 1280 x 1024 up to 75Hz
20:05<nexx>that also
20:05<lupine_85>nexx: horizontal sync is the question
20:06<nexx>im not sure where to look for that
20:06<mfoley>I was wondering if anyone could assist me with getting a perl script that accessing a mysql database running ... right now when go to the url in the browser it asks me if I want to open my perl script
20:06<lupine_85>same sheet as the rest of the specs: up to 83
20:06<nexx>yeah i've been looking but i still cant find horizontal, maybe you will have a better time with it
20:07<nexx>thats the spec sheet of my monitor
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20:07<simonrvn>mfoley: stick it where it'll exec it instead of just showing it to you
20:07<tcsetattr>mfoley, you need to configure your web server to recognize the perl script as a CGI, or a mod_perl, depending on what kind it is.
20:07<simonrvn>mfoley: hint, ScriptAlias, ExecCGI (for apache)
20:07<lupine_85>I know. It says clearly:
20:07<lupine_85>FREQUENCIES 30-83KHz, Auto-Synchronous
20:07<lupine_85>whoops, sorry
20:07<mfoley>so in the httpd.conf file?
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20:08<nexx>doh, me needs to learn to read
20:08<nexx>ok so 75 and 83 is what we will use?
20:09<tcsetattr>if 83 is the max, 80 is pushing it pretty close
20:09<tcsetattr>nexx, if you're running on a live CD right now, is it in X? if you have a working X server running, you should run xvidtune -show to see what it's using.
20:09<nexx>no i just have bash
20:10<nexx>oh wait
20:10<mfoley>i had the following in my httpd.conf file, but did it did not work ... ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ <Files *pl> SetHandler cgi-script AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI </Files>
20:10<tcsetattr>text console eh... then you could ask the fb driver what it thinks. run "fbset" and it'll tell you what mode it's using. (probably not 1280x1024 but it'll be interesting to look at anyway)
20:10<tcsetattr>mfoley did you load mod_cgi?
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20:11<nexx>fbset didn't work, but i did an xvidtune -show and it said "Error: Can't open display:"
20:11<mfoley>no ... I only loaded libapache2-mod-perl2
20:12<mfoley>is there any way I can get it to work mod-perl2?
20:12<tcsetattr>xvidtune needs to be run from X
20:12<nexx>i see
20:12<tcsetattr>and fbset won't work if the running kernel isn't configured for fb. so much for those ideas
20:12<tcsetattr>how'd you find that Modeline you're trying?
20:13<nexx>didn't work either
20:13<tcsetattr>I missed the beginning of this story
20:13<nexx>would you guys know how to chroot into the debian mount correctly?
20:13<tcsetattr>"chroot /mnt/debian" should do it.
20:13<nexx>i would like to try some autoconfig tools
20:13<nexx>ok one sec
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20:13<tcsetattr>then you can run "mount -a" to mount the /proc and other stuff unde there.
20:14<nexx>chroot: cannot run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error"
20:14<tcsetattr>hmm. 32bit live CD and 64bit Debian?
20:14<lupine_85>what architecture is the chroot? sounds like it's a different arch to your current kernel
20:14<nexx>that was off the "chroot /mnt/debian"
20:14<tcsetattr>too bad, live CD's kernel can't run your Debian programs then.
20:15<nexx>64bit debian and 32 bit live cd
20:15<lupine_85>grab the amd64 livecd if you need to chroot
20:15[~]nexx gets frustrated
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20:15<mnguyen>I have an AMD Sempron Processor, should i use the k7 or the 486 kernels?
20:15<nexx>ok from normal boot of debian is there some way i can change the boot perameters so that it will boot to my liking?
20:16<nexx>ex. without xserver?
20:16<nexx>or what about that single user mode?
20:16<nexx>what does that do?
20:16<tcsetattr>add "single" to the boot arguments (grub? lilo?) and it'll boot single-user-mode in which fewer things will be started up
20:16<lupine_85>boots you into runlevel S (or is it s?)
20:16<mfoley>tcsetattr ... I can get someone of the perl scripts to work, just not the one that connects to mysql with the current configuration
20:17<nexx>its grub, and it had a single user mode in the entries
20:17<nexx>i'll try this and see what happens
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20:17<tcsetattr>for an even more primitive boot you can do init=/bin/sh
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20:17<tcsetattr>init=/bin/sh is painful though. so much stuff you have to start up manually.
20:17<nexx>oh perfect i have a shell
20:17<nexx>ok now what can i do?
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20:18<ameyer>you could also boot up, log in, and stop *dm
20:18<nexx>no i cant
20:18<tcsetattr>read the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it actually used that Modeline you put in there
20:18<nexx>i cant get a shell
20:18<mfoley>can anyone help me with getting a perl script to connect to a mysql database?
20:18<ameyer>nexx: yeah, that might be a problem
20:18<tcsetattr>ameyer, he said earlier that it boots to X and ctrl-alt-F1 isn't working
20:19<ameyer>I somehow missed that
20:19<nexx>omg this is a huge log file
20:19<tcsetattr>nexx, you should be able to get it on the network from single user mode with "ifup -a", then you can upoad Xorg.0.log for us to look at :)
20:19<gravity>It's a log chock full of informative goodness
20:20<lupine_85>nom nom nom
20:20<nexx>tcsetattr sigh, this is also a problem, my network is "whole" atm
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20:20<tcsetattr>or you could kill the /etc/rc*/*dm startups so you can boot normal without X
20:20<nexx>no internet for debian machine
20:20<nexx>sory isn't* whole
20:20<tcsetattr>gravity should know. If you put a Modeline into xorg.conf does that guarantee it won't use its built-in modes for that resolution?
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20:21<ameyer>and I don't think ifup would be needed in single-user mode
20:21<gravity>tcsetattr: It depends on the X version. That's sorta kinda broken in testing or unstable, but it might work. It'll definitely work in stable.
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20:21<nexx>ok i have no idea where to look in this log file, is there someway i can search thru it?
20:21<gravity>randr1.2 was a little too overzealous methinks
20:21<lupine_85>nexx: grep is your friend
20:21<nexx>grep eh
20:22<ameyer>lupine_85: if you know what to look for
20:22<tcsetattr>view the log file with "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and type the / key to search (followed by what you're searching for and ENTER. I suggest you search for 1280x1024)
20:22<lupine_85>errors are marked (EE)); warnings (WW)
20:22<nexx>ahh i see
20:22<nexx>so how do i use this grep
20:22<lupine_85>grep pattern file
20:22<nexx>i see its a pattern search program
20:22<lupine_85>less is probably "easier"
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20:23<nexx>shit i got to go
20:23<nexx>ok well i'll have to continue this later i guess, thanks for the help guys
20:23<lupine_85>well, good luck :)
20:24<tcsetattr>especially when you want to see context around your search targets, less is much easier to deal with than "grep -3" or whatever
20:24[~]lupine_85 --------> sleep also
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20:24<amio>hi can I get an answer for my question?
20:24<peterS>I didn't hear your question
20:25<lupine_85>amio: you got several answers and requests for more info. but nm
20:25<amio>well did not get any answer
20:25<amio>just I said ok thanks
20:25<amio>but nothing was helping
20:26<amio>hi can I get an answer for my question?
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20:26<amio>sorry for pasint gwrong text
20:26<amio>I have a live debian cd with kde beryl. is there anyway to install debian on my pc from it? (its just a live cd doesnt include installation)
20:27<peterS>"a live debian cd" is not very descriptive. a lot of projects call themselves something like that, I don't think we actually have an official one yet
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20:28<amio>what you mean peterS
20:28<peterS>I mean I have no idea what your CD is
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20:29<amio>I got it from some where let me find the link
20:29<tcsetattr>if you want a standard debian installation, a not-standard-debian live CD is probably not the best way to start.
20:30<amio>well but I am in trouble I have no cd rw only live debian cd burned
20:32<amio>I downloaded the last iso file
20:32<tcsetattr>looks like a precursor to the official debian-live, at least
20:33<amio>so is there any way? to install it on the pc?
20:34<tcsetattr>I dunno. did you find any documentation with this CD image that you somehow downloaded and booted without a burner?
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20:36<amio>I downloaded this 620mb then burned it on cd and it loads for a while then I get debian on the pc as a live
20:36<amio>so it boots the pc
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20:38<amio>cd includes the follwoing folders: casper live isolinux md5sum.txt
20:39<tcsetattr>hey, there's a #debian-live with 36 people.
20:39<amio>ok thanks tcsettr
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20:44<amio>are there any other rooms? can get help from them?
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20:45<amio>any other rooms for debian?
20:45<gravity>amio: #debian on freenode
20:45<gravity>(and it's channel, not room)
20:46<amio>ok thanks
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21:22<Phibs>anyone know if Josip Rodin hangs here
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21:23<fractalma>hey, my up arrow in guile goes ^[[A. So it's broken, but not in the shell. Does anyone know why?
21:23<Phibs>guess nawt
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21:25<peterS>fractalma: because the guile command line parser doesn't bother to use libreadline, like your shell does
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21:25<tcsetattr>I've never used guile, but I do have a /usr/bin/guile and it's not linked to any libraries that would suggest terminal-handling capabilities
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21:25<tcsetattr>do you have any evidence that the up-arrow key is _supposed_ to do anything in guile?
21:25<gravity>Wow... a guile user
21:25[~]tcsetattr wonders what guile is and why I have it installed
21:25<fractalma>it's supposed to give the last command back
21:25<peterS>tcsetattr: it's a scheme implementation, used mainly for embedding extension language support into other apps
21:26<fractalma>I'm learning guile for this class...
21:26<fractalma>or scheme, anyways
21:26<gravity>tcsetattr: An embedded scheme implementation
21:26<fractalma>my "cpan" program has the same behaviour
21:26<tcsetattr>who told you that it's supposed to give the last command back ?
21:26<peterS>presumably the name is related to the English word meaning 'ability to hatch schemes'
21:26<fractalma>but bash works fine
21:26<tcsetattr>do you assume that *every* program is supposed to have a command history accessed with the up-arrow key?
21:27<peterS>fractalma: yes, bash has that feature. most other software doesn't.
21:27<tcsetattr>because quite a lot of them don't.
21:27<fractalma>the documentation says so.
21:27<fractalma>I think.
21:27<tcsetattr>now we're getting somewhere
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21:28<fractalma>is it because the keymap is sending the wrong code, or because guile/cpan are set up to only use one key?
21:28<fractalma>one keymap, I suppose I should say.
21:28<peterS>mainly because guile/cpan are set up to not have that feature at all
21:29<tcsetattr>for CPAN, you need to install the proper Term module. I don't know off the top of my head which one that woud be
21:29<peterS>though I notice cpan does indeed use readline on my machine
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21:29<peterS>Term::Readline::Gnu, probably
21:30<tcsetattr>Term::ReadKey and Term::ReadLine it says in CPAN(3perl)
21:30<peterS>errr, Term::ReadLine::Gnu (aka libterm-readline-gnu-perl)
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21:30<peterS>(that being a subclass of Term::ReadLine)
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21:33<fractalma>ok I got it working
21:33<fractalma>in the guile shell, you have to enter:
21:33<fractalma>(use-modules (ice-9 readline))
21:33<tcsetattr>I just found that in the info file myself and was about to paste it
21:33<fractalma>so the readline thing needs to be turned on
21:34<fractalma>so knowing about readline was the clue. Thanks tcsetattr, peterS, for the help
21:34<fractalma>and anyone else
21:35<fractalma>now I've just gotta learn to love scheme...
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21:38<kranti>hi mankod
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21:50<isuckatlinux>anyone knows how to add ntsc norm to webcam using kopete?
21:50<isuckatlinux>it only shows palm
21:54<jclinton>the v4l driver reports what the hardware supports
21:54<jclinton>that's why it's limited
21:54<jclinton>does it work in gnomemeeting?
21:55<alaya>maybe a stupid question. i have an external HDD with 2 ieee1394 ports. its it a really bad idea to connect it to 2 separate machines simultaneously?
21:57<alaya>assuming i'm not going to try writing to the same file on both machines
21:58<alaya>oh it looks like it won't let me mount from the second machine anyhow
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22:01<tcsetattr>even if the physical layer would let you do it, it's not a good idea to mount the same filesystem simultaneously on different machines.
22:03<tcsetattr>the kernel assumes that when a filesystem is mounted, nothing else will be changing it.
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22:15<ameyer>well, I know of situations where filesystems are mounted via nfs on multiple computers, and it seems to work well enough
22:16<tcsetattr>yeah, through nfs which was designed to handle multiple clients
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22:17<ameyer>and, due to the nature of sshfs (for example), the filesystem is mounted on the remote machine
22:17<tcsetattr>but if you're talking about a multiple mount of ext3, with multiple kernels accessing the device directly, that's trouble.
22:17<ameyer>but sshfs isn't really a real filesystem
22:17<niru>hi ameyer tcsetattr
22:18<tcsetattr>readonly would be OK though.
22:18<niru>ameyer, I created a bootable 1gb usb
22:18<niru>it works fine in only my system
22:18<tcsetattr>as long as it's really really readonly - which mount -r -t ext3 isn't! (it still does journal writes)
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22:19<niru>same usb when I boot in some other pc it shows error as preseed file could not be retrieved from /hd-media/preseed.cfg
22:19<niru>then if I give in console find hd-media/
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22:19<niru>preseed_command hd-media/
22:19<niru>the installaion goes fine in all pcs
22:19<niru>why is it so
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22:21<niru>is it permission problem
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22:21<niru>ameyer, tcsetattr any idea
22:21<niru>can you help me out
22:22<niru>ls -al /media/cdrom0/
22:22<niru>total 723640
22:22<niru>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 1970-01-01 05:30 .
22:22<niru>drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2007-09-14 08:42 ..
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 728657920 2007-09-13 15:45 BOSS-20-i386-binary-1.iso
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5234 2007-09-11 17:01 boss-preseed.cfg
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10992305 2007-09-13 15:40 initrd.gz
22:22<niru>-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10244 2007-09-13 16:56 ldlinux.sys
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 158 2007-09-13 18:40 syslinux.cfg
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 158 2007-09-13 17:05 syslinux.cfg~
22:22<niru>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1318800 2007-09-13 15:38 vmlinuz
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22:40<niru>my preconfiguration file is not gettting retrieved in other systems from usb
22:40<niru>do i need to increase the timeout
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22:53<RainbowW>for some reason, when i turn my raid controller on, the box tries to boot off of it rather than the non-raid controller. i can't see how to adjust this in the bios. is there a way to get grub installed on the raid array and flip it back around at boot?
22:54<alaya>grub-install <device>
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22:55<alaya>you can put it on anything including a floppy disk
22:55<RainbowW>i assume from something like a rescue cd, since i can't boot any other way?
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22:57<alaya>mount the filesystem with /boot/grub from rescue disk, and point to it with --root-directory option of grub-install. man grub-install
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22:57<Kaper>hi, any command in debian that can show the dependency of package?
22:58<alaya>apt-cache showpkg <package>
22:58<PiPi>apt-cache depends xxx
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23:01<Kaper>and how to install only the dependency packages? because i want to install the main package from source
23:03<RainbowW>Kaper you can install the main package and then remove it, which will leave the dependencies, or now that you have a list of dependencies, you can simply install those. however, you should be aware that the version in the repository may not be the same as the requirements for the source you're installing, and you need to install the -dev version of your deps as well or you won't be able to compile.
23:04<Kaper>thank RainbowW
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23:06<tcsetattr>apt-get build-dep packagename
23:06<tcsetattr>build-dependencies are the thing you're looking for.
23:06<haseo>hi, in time as i used my system it has become slower, and now i experience some little stops on system it almost not noticiable, but are there tools to maintain your system, error chekers, defragers, etc?
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23:18<Snapser>oh noes~
23:18<Snapser>When I run the config script for vmware, vmnet fails to compile. So I have to compile without networking support :(
23:19<NeXX>you are installing vmware in linux or in windows?
23:19[~]NeXX knows nothing :P
23:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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23:21<Snapser>I didn't ask to ask
23:22<NeXX>i didn't ask you to ask to ask...i knew there was a bot in here with the name simmilar to some debian programs and i couldn't remember what it started with :P
23:23<NeXX>now i know :)
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23:25<NeXX>i need some help tho
23:26<NeXX>there is a program called dpkg-reconfigure, i need to reconfigure my xorg.conf file
23:26<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
23:26<NeXX>merci :D
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23:37<Snapser>yay~ fixed vmware
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23:38<Snapser>It turns out the stock configuration script doesn't like new kernels, so I used a third party config script called the "any-any patch"
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23:41<RainbowW>in the grub command line interface, is there a way to tell what drives it detects? hd0, hd1, etc?
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