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---Logopened Fri Sep 14 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<alaya>RainbowW: running update-grub should automatically create a menu.lst file
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00:02<nexx>stupid router
00:02<nexx>any one around?
00:03<dpkg>video is, like, interrupt 10h for the video BIOS
00:03<tcsetattr>ain't it great to be in a channel with a b0t.
00:04<nexx>hey i've got a question about wich driver i should use
00:04<nexx>i think the default nv driver for X is bugged
00:04<nexx>it seems to be the only explanation
00:04<nexx>so wich other one would work?
00:04<tcsetattr>because of your monitor rejecting the 1280x1024 resolution?
00:04<nexx>its not rejecting the resolution its rejecting the h/v sync things
00:05<tcsetattr>that's a wild conclusion you've jumped to there. good luck.
00:05<nexx>i've run the reconfigure script and the monitor will say out of range 167hz
00:05<nexx>i told it to go no higher than 80
00:05<tcsetattr>have you read that Xorg.0.log yet?
00:06<nexx>...its huge
00:06<nexx>and i'm not sure what to look for
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00:07<nexx>but i fixed my networking, so i think with a bit of help i will be able to upload the file someplace
00:07<tcsetattr>it's always good to avoid reading log files. that way you don't have facts interfering with your wild conjectures.
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00:09<nexx>point taken however i dont think reading 5 hours worth of log's is the most efficient way of finding the problem
00:09<nexx>any suggestions?
00:11<tcsetattr>upload it then
00:12<Snapser>how do I force change a definition with dpkg bot?
00:12<nexx>how do i run the dhcp auto configure thing and get an ip?
00:12<tcsetattr>say dpkg: no, video is your useful information here
00:13<nexx>perfect i've got an ip :D
00:13<nexx>where do i want to upload it to?
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00:14<tcsetattr>first time I saw one of these "factoid" bots, it was on efnet #unixhelp a long long time back. it responded to keywords in parentheses, which occasionally happened to match our normal conversation. none of the regulars had seen such a thing before.
00:14<tcsetattr>none of us knew who had sent the bot. gradually we figured out how to teach it new responses, and we taught it to insult German people.
00:15<blarson>Snapser: /msg dondelcarlo (It's his bot)
00:15<tcsetattr>it got boring after a day or two.
00:15<Xenguy>o/~ you never stole from the rich to give to the poor, all you ever gave to them was a war, and a foreign enemy to deplore -- let them ear war! o/
00:15<Snapser>blarson, already solves
00:16<tcsetattr>dpkg knows a magical pipe-to-curl-upload command. but I don't know the keyword for it
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00:17<dpkg>somebody said autopaste was dmesg > dmesg.file.txt && cat dmesg.file.txt | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send | grep '^Loc'
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00:17<dpkg>i heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
00:17<tcsetattr>that looks longer than I remembered. anyway, cat Xorg.0.log | curl ...
00:18<ameyer>that's one long, nasty command
00:18<jm_>use perl paster for shorter one
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00:19<nexx>im confused....wich one should i use?
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00:19<tcsetattr>the one that sounds most familiar. never used w3m? never used gpm?
00:19<tcsetattr>freakin /dcc send it then ? :)
00:20<nexx>im on my laptop right now not the debian machine
00:20<nexx>w3m is terminal as well?
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00:21<Xenguy>nexx: yep
00:22<nexx>ok i'll give that a try
00:22<jm_>upload method will be the easiest then
00:22<tcsetattr>looking at my own Xorg.0.log I see that it's really _not_ easy to figure out which mode the X server started up in. It lists all the modes it knows, and tells you about the ones that it can't use, but it doesn't seem to tell you which one it IS using.
00:23<niru>jm_, why my preseed file in usb is not recognized in usb in other machines but it gets recognized in my machine when i boot through usb
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00:23<jm_>niru: how did you specify path to it?
00:24<jm_>tcsetattr: it is here -- (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1600x1200"
00:24[~]Xenguy stabs nvidia...
00:24<tcsetattr>ah. I have radeon driver, not nvidia, and it doesn't print anything like that.
00:24<niru>jm_, in usb there is a file called syslinux.cfg
00:25<niru>jm_, there append initrd=initrd.gz file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg
00:25<niru>jm_, this instlalls well in my machine
00:26<nexx>should i bother uploading my log then?
00:26<tcsetattr>nexx, we are all waiting for you!
00:26<niru>jm_, what could be the reason of not getting detected of the file in other machines
00:26<niru>but if I do find hd-media/
00:26<niru>preseed_command hd-media/
00:26<tcsetattr>well, not waiting. we will forget about you and get on with our lives if you don't provide the Xorg.0.log
00:26<niru>in console at the time of installation it gets detected and everything goes fine
00:27<klys_>ok, setting up apache2 with a simple perl cgi script: #!/usr/bin/perl print "hello\n" the file in /usr/lib/cgi-bin named or simple.cgi, getting 500 internal server error from lynx localhost/cgi-bin/
00:27<nexx>ahh ok i think i figured this out
00:27<nexx>where is that file located?
00:27<klys_>in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
00:27<niru>jm_, ?
00:27<nexx>no on my computer
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00:28<tcsetattr>when you get a "500" error, you should always check the apache log file for more details.
00:28<jm_>niru: then check if it prints anything about it on other tty-s
00:29<nexx>hmm maybe not
00:29<niru>jm_, no nothing
00:29<niru>jm_, I have checked
00:29<niru>jm_, just showed unable to retrieve file-preseed
00:30<nexx>how do i use this gpm to upload the file
00:31<gsimmons>niru: Why aren't you using "preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg"?
00:32<niru>gsimmons, used that too and in my system only everything owrks
00:32<tcsetattr>if gpm is installed and working, you should be able to use the mouse on the text console just like in an xterm.
00:32<niru>when taken to other systems it shows that error
00:32<nexx>ahh i see thats why when i type gpm nothing happens
00:33<jm_>niru: it doesn't mention trying to load preseed for me at all, no idea really
00:33<nexx>ok i think i almost got this w3m working tho
00:33<gsimmons>niru: Oh. "file" can be used an alias, right.
00:33<tcsetattr>I don't see how gpm is going to be helpful though, with a big log file like that.
00:33<niru>gsimmons, yes
00:33<niru>gsimmons, either preseed or file
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00:34<niru>gsimmons, how can I make it to work in other systems as well
00:34<niru>why hd-media/ is not getting deteced for preseed file in other machines
00:35<nexx>k the file is uploaded i think, how do you check it?
00:36<tcsetattr>where did you upload it?
00:36<tcsetattr>you gotta give us a URL
00:36<gsimmons>niru: Are your other systems identical? Have you alternatively tried the initrd or network preseeding methods?
00:37<nexx>pastbin i thought
00:37<tcsetattr>yeah, when you submit the thing it should give you a URL, I think.
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00:37<niru>gsimmons, all systems are of same make and I saw the BIOS settings as well
00:37<niru>gsimmons, I am using initrd
00:38<nexx>oh i found it, it didn't upload the file
00:38<niru>in initrd root filesystem I have kept the preseed due to which it is orking now
00:38<tcsetattr>heh, it just says "This is NeXX"... put the file there!
00:38<nexx>working on it
00:38<nexx>one sec
00:39<gsimmons>niru: You're confusing me. Which preseed method are you having issues with: initrd, file or network?
00:39<tcsetattr>figuring out how to slurp an existing file into your editor, I assume
00:39<jm_>would be much simpler if using
00:39<nexx>with w3m?
00:39<jm_>or lynx or links or ...
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00:41<tcsetattr>finding the "read file" command in your editor is an important step... regardless of what crutches you are able to find to get around the immediate need
00:41<nexx>whats that mean?
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00:42<nexx>it opend nano when i typed in that text...are you saying i can get it to read a file and put it in the buffer?
00:42<tcsetattr>yes, that's the idea.
00:42<jm_>are you saying you haven't used a text editor in your life so far?
00:43<tcsetattr>or go the other way. I really hope there's something useful in that log file after all the trouble we're going through to see it.
00:43<nexx>i've used text editors, i just didn't know you could import files into the buffer
00:43<niru>gsimmons, initrd
00:43<tcsetattr>I can't imagine why an editor would be lacking such a useful feature
00:43<niru>gsimmons, there is a preseed file for preseeding packages while installaion
00:44<niru>and that file has been kept inside initrd
00:44<tcsetattr>but with nano, I give it 50/50 odds of being missing. :)
00:44<niru>gsimmons, got it
00:44<gsimmons>niru: Okay. You don't have to specify any boot parameters for this preseed method. Read B.2.1. again. It's the first sentence.
00:44<niru>gsimmons, u mean file=preseed.cfg is not needed in syslinux.cgf
00:44<gsimmons>niru: No, not if you're using initrd preseeding.
00:45<nexx>that was way easier
00:45<nexx>i had no idea you could do that
00:45<niru>gsimmons, I think I have tried that too
00:46<gsimmons>niru: So you included preseed.cfg within the root directory of your initrd?
00:46<niru>gsimmons, yes
00:46<tcsetattr>(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
00:46<niru>gsimmons, is making LBA partitioning a problem
00:46<niru>gsimmons, you told to give type a s'e'
00:47<tcsetattr>I find it hard to believe that with n error like "(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory" you're getting a monitor-falkes-out problem.
00:47<nexx>...i was playing around with the drivers seeing if a different one would change the problem
00:47<tcsetattr>you probably dpkg-reconfigure'd it and answered yes to the fb device question. you have to say no to that one :)
00:47<nexx>if you want me to replicate the original problem i can but it will take me anouther 10 min or so
00:48<tcsetattr>so instead of upload the log file that actually shows the original problem, you've taken it to a whole new territory
00:48<nexx>i thought the log had all that stuff in there
00:48<nexx>not just the most recent
00:48<nexx>but at least i can paste the log now :P
00:48<tcsetattr>no, it overwrites on each run
00:48<tcsetattr>sadly. it's not really a "log". it's badly named.
00:49[~]tcsetattr feels a wishlist bug
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00:49<nexx>ok i'll reconfigure, and get a proper error log for you
00:49<gsimmons>niru: I don't understand your latest problem. A partition ID of 'e' will set this to "W95 FAT16 (LBA)".
00:49<nexx>gimme a min
00:50<nexx>should i use the nv driver then?
00:50<niru>gsimmons, I just guess is that a problem atall
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00:52<nexx>ok reconfigured....i typed "X" then enter and screen went black with an "OUT OF RANGE 169.0KhZ / 15hZ"
00:52<nexx>i will now paste my xorg.conf and the log
00:52<nexx>one sec
00:52<tcsetattr>ok, now, right after that, is the time to capture the Xorg.0.log
00:52<jm_>169kHz and 15Hz? that sounds utterly wrong
00:52<nexx>i have to reboot now
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00:53<tcsetattr>ctrl-alt-f1 still no good?
00:53<jm_>try using savetextmode and textmode next time
00:53<nexx>when and where?
00:53<tcsetattr>something's definitely squirrely in that X setup. whether it's a broken driver or broken config file... hopefully we'll find out soon
00:54<jm_>(gotta run savetextmode while the scren is still OK!)
00:54<jm_>you'll just have to type it blindly I guess
00:54<dpkg>rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
00:54<nexx>sry i needed a refresher
00:55<jm_>!tell nexx -abou msg
00:55<jm_>!tell nexx -about msg
00:55<tcsetattr>you do have it on the network, so you could ssh in from your other machine and work that way.
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00:56<niru>gsimmons, ?
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00:56<nexx> my config file
00:58<nexx> error log
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01:00<gsimmons>niru: What is your exact issue? Your custom USB memory stick boots into d-i via SYSLINUX, attempts to load the preconfiguration file using initrd preseeding, but... ?
01:01<niru>gsimmons, but unable to load shows error as unable to retrieve preconfiguration file from file:///hd-media/preseed.cfg
01:01<tcsetattr>the X server says it's using Modeline "1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
01:01<niru>this is problem with other machines only in my machine no such issue and the instllation completessuccessfully
01:01<gsimmons>niru: Pastebin the contents of your syslinux.cfg file.
01:01<niru>gsimmons, ok
01:01<tcsetattr>I figure that to be 75Hz(V) 80KHz(H). I'm not sure I trust that monitor.
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01:04<nexx>tcsetattr so what should i change?
01:05<gsimmons>niru: Get rid of "file=/hd-media/boss-preseed.cfg". I've already told you this isn't required for initrd preseeding.
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01:05<gsimmons>niru: And please ensure that your preconfiguration file (stored within the initrd) is called "preseed.cfg".
01:06<niru>gsimmons, The name given is boss-preseed.cfg
01:06<gsimmons>niru: Then you need to rename it.
01:07<niru>in initrd
01:07<niru>gsimmons, why will it not accept such names
01:07<niru>gsimmons, if not how is it accepting in my machine
01:07<tcsetattr>anybody else paying attention to nexx? I don't see any clues in his log. it all looks normal.
01:07<gsimmons>niru: You're arguing against the instructions provided in the Installation Guide.
01:08<niru>gsimmons, I was thinking preseed.cfg is just for example that does not imply that the name should be preseed.cfg everythime so....
01:09<niru>gsimmons, ok I will change the name and will not mention that name in syslinux.cfg right?
01:09<gsimmons>niru: You assumed incorrectly. The naming of the preseed file appears to be configuring for the file and network initrd methods, but not for the initrd method.
01:09<gsimmons>niru: Yes, it's not need for initrd preseeding.
01:10<nexx>yeah im stumped
01:10<niru>gsimmons, I did not get
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01:10[~]nexx points out the obviouse that he was stumped log ago
01:11<gsimmons>niru: You need to rename 'boss-preseed.cfg' to 'preseed.cfg' within your initrd before you do anything else.
01:11<niru>gsimmons, you mean name will not matter in file and network initrd but it matters for initrd method
01:11<gsimmons>niru: Yes. It appears so.
01:11<niru>gsimmons, but my doubt is how it gets recognized in my machine and installtion is successfull
01:12<niru>gsimmons, isn't that strange
01:12<tcsetattr>the 169kHz and 15Hz numbers are just way off. I don't know if you could even get a card to run at 15Hz. it's completely outside the realm of sanity.
01:12<gsimmons>niru: You were previously combining use of both the initrd and file preseeding methods. I'm surprised d-i managed to parse anything.
01:12<nexx>i'll run X again just to make sure
01:12<jm_>nexx: try using smaller mode then
01:12<tcsetattr>yeah, does it work at 1024x768?
01:13<niru>gsimmons, oh
01:13<nexx>...dunno i could reconfigure i guess and find for the range, my monitor deffinetly says 169.0kHz
01:13<tcsetattr>it's conceivable that a bug in the nv driver could cause the card to output ridiculously wrong refresh rates.
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01:14<tcsetattr>it's also conceivable that a bug in the monitor could make it misread what it's getting unless you precisely duplicate whatever windoze modes it was factory tested with.
01:14<nexx>i think i'll edit the config manually, will be faster than the reconfigure
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01:17<nexx>ok when i took out all the 1280x1023 res's in the config and started X it gave me a "OUT OF RANGE 98.5kHZ /219hZ"
01:17<tcsetattr>heh. more crazy numbers. (they aren't making 219Hz monitors are they?)
01:17<nexx>doubt it
01:17<nexx>what i find wierd is the first number is alot lower and the second number is alot higher
01:18<nexx>want me to paste that log now?
01:18<tcsetattr>is there another monitor you can plug in? if the same setup works with a different monitor, we'll know the monitor is just lying to us. if it doesn't, we can suspect the driver, or the card itself, of being flaky
01:18<nexx>might as well any ways i guess
01:19<nexx>tcsetattr: yes i have a second monitor its smaller but i'll try that one
01:19<nexx>it has been disconnected up till now btw
01:19<tcsetattr>it's beginning to look like a problem that needs the attention of someone who knows more than any of us currently awake known about video hardware
01:20<jm_>well DDC data seems to match what nv driver is doing
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01:22<nexx>here is my new error log
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01:22<nexx>i'll now change monitors and reconfigure and test again
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01:23<tcsetattr>that 1024x768 is supposedly 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz
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01:26<nexx>ok i've reconfigured with a different monitor ran x and i got the same error as before, btw the max res was 1024x768
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01:26<niru>gsimmons, did so I now testing it
01:26<nexx>this monitor says Message: MODE NOT SUPPORTED: H: 98.1KHZ V: 218.5HZ
01:26<niru>gsimmons, let us check whether it is working
01:27<nexx>this has to be a driver no?
01:27<niru>gsimmons, it is working: )
01:27<niru>gsimmons, ha ha ha
01:27<tcsetattr>driver or the card itself.
01:27<nexx>the card works fine with windows :P
01:27<tcsetattr>go brag on #windoze
01:28<jm_>nexx: you could try using nvidia driver then
01:28<nexx>isn't nv just that?
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01:28<jm_>nv is free, nvidia is non-free
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01:28<Guest257>hi ....someone kwon how to make it work a card reader of a laptop?
01:28<jm_>!nvidia one-liner
01:28<dpkg>i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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01:29<nexx>alllrighty then
01:29<jm_>or simply follow this:
01:29<nexx>i'll try that one
01:29<nexx>if this doesn't work im going to bed
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01:29<tcsetattr>if it does work with the non-free driver, remember: the free driver won't get improved unless you report on problems
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01:30<Guest257>hello ...someone know how to make it work a card reader of a laptop?
01:30<nexx>ok i'll have to remember to do that then
01:30<tcsetattr>and this one is a bitch!
01:30<gsimmons>niru: Good to hear. Next time, follow the instructions. :)
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01:30<niru>gsimmons, yup but I could not interprit
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01:33<nexx>couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
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01:34<nexx>nvidia-kernel-common i can find tho
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01:34<nexx>should i use that one?
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01:35<jm_>just follow the instructions on the wiki page then
01:35<tcsetattr>interesting. so the `uname -r` expanded to "amd64"? that doesn't sound right.
01:35<tcsetattr>oh wait, the sed is in there too. never mind.
01:36<jm_>it should say nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)
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01:38<nexx>this is totaly the drivers fault w00t
01:38<nexx>i reconfigured and used the vesa driver
01:38<nexx>and x started :D
01:38<jm_>time to check if there's a known bug and submit one as appropriate
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01:39<nexx>ok just cuz i didn't get an out of sync error doesn't mean im fixed yet :P
01:40<nexx>lets see how she boots normally
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01:40<nexx>im learning so much :D
01:41<nexx>i have a desktop w00t
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01:42<nexx>thanks for the help guys
01:42<nexx>i really appreciate it
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01:42[~]nexx would like to point out that his wild conclusion wasn't so wild :P
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01:47<nexx>ok guys, new problem
01:47<nexx>any one still awake?
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01:48<nexx>this is what happens when i try to access some of my other hdd's
01:49[~]nexx has a feeling that he is going to be hated very quickly
01:50<nexx>sigh ok i'll just go to bed then
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02:05<alaya>eth1394 networking is so cool
02:05<jm_>how fast is it?
02:05<alaya>it seems fast
02:06<niru>gsimmons, thank you
02:06<alaya>i should restart the rsync with the switch to display transfer rate...
02:06<posix>Any kino users around?
02:07<posix>I want to export my capture, but mjpegtools doesn't exist anymore, I'm not sure what to use as an alternative
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02:09<Inty>jm_, 400Mbit/sec
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02:09<jm_>Inty: yeah I know about theoretical speed
02:09<Inty>with some good cables you should be able to get close to that speed
02:10<alaya> --progress isn't giving me the expected rate output
02:11<gsimmons>niru: np
02:13<alaya>does the debian rescue cd have sshd and rsync?
02:13<alaya>this ubuntu one is crapping out, and the latest knoppix has a kernel bug with the 1394 controller
02:14<tcsetattr>grml has that kind of stuff
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02:14<jm_>ut should have sshd since some archs can only be installed that way
02:16<alaya>wow i tried a google search for grml and got this odd "sorry" page asking me to fill out a captcha
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02:16<jm_>there we go openssh-server-udeb_4.3p2-9_i386.udeb
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03:18<family>hey guys i have 2 questions first is it okay to make 3 partitions one for boot one for swap and one for root or is it better to put one for swap and one for root + boot
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03:20<blarson>family: Either works. I've had problems when I made /boot too small. (I like to keep several kernels around.)
03:20<alaya>family: i like putting /home on a separate one
03:21<family>okay now my next question what is the percentage ratio if the hard drive is 100 % how would you divide it among the two or three
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03:23<family>ie: swap=10 % boot=10 % and root =80%
03:23<family>or ie: swap=10% and root=90%
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03:30<jm_>10% for /boot? you're insane
03:30<jm_>and do you really want 50G of swap with 500G drive?
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03:36<thctlo2>hi, question, i have a apache server with some high load websites, but i dont know which, is there a tool or something to figure out which website generates the high load. ?
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03:38<noi_7777>could someone help me with a hwclock problem?
03:38<thctlo2>whats the problem.
03:38<noi_7777>get timout
03:38<thctlo2>be more specific.
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03:39<noi_7777>installed debian on a laptop, hp compaq nx7300, and now i cant set the hw clock
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03:39<thctlo2>whats the command ur using
03:39<noi_7777>so everytime i reboot the time jumps ahead 3 hours
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03:40<noi_7777>hwclock "anything", except -D, then i get clock tick
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03:40<thctlo2>is your time zone zet correctly
03:40<thctlo2>run tzconfig
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03:40<thctlo2>please check it.
03:40<weasel>noi_7777: so what is the error message?
03:40<Waddledee>Uh, I seem to have screwed up Debian's ability to connect through Ethernet. I think it might have been the package I had to remove because it wasn't compatible with something else in testing. Anybody else run into this?
03:41<noi_7777>tzconfig says what it should say
03:41<weasel>noi_7777: and what does it say?
03:41<noi_7777>Your current... Europe/Stockholm
03:41<weasel>that leaves my other question
03:42<weasel>what does it say when it doesn't work
03:42<thctlo2>lsmod | grep rtc , gives this output
03:43<noi_7777>hwclock --systohc -> select() på /dev/rtc för att vänta på klocktick gjorde time-out
03:43<jm_>is your UTC setting correct?
03:43<noi_7777>how do i check that
03:43<weasel>noi_7777: try with LC_ALL=C
03:43<noi_7777>im kinda new to linux/debian, just so you know
03:44<weasel>noi_7777: pasting error messages in different languages doesn't help anyone
03:44<weasel>LC_ALL=C hwclock --systohc
03:44<weasel>and yes. GEEEZ.
03:44<weasel>if you don't want help, don't come here
03:44<dpkg>well, utc is Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
03:44<noi_7777>understand select()? /dev/rtc? klocktick? time-out?
03:44<Supaplex>let me guess. nvidia+xen just don't play nice.
03:44<weasel>jm_: how could it possibly be that
03:45<jm_>weasel: why not? he said it's 3h off
03:45<thctlo2>and noi_7777 you could also install ntpdate
03:46<weasel>jm_: stockholm should be in UTC+0200
03:46<weasel>thctlo2: LC_ALL=C hwclock --systohc
03:46<jm_>weasel: possibly, I didn't check on that
03:46<weasel>noi_7777: LC_ALL=C hwclock --systohc
03:46<weasel>noi_7777: it's not too much to ask. really.
03:46<noi_7777>LC_ALL=C doesnt work
03:46<jm_>seems it's the same as us
03:46<weasel>what do you mean with 'LC_ALL=C doesnt work'
03:46<noi_7777>patience, actually sitting on windows here
03:46<noi_7777>debian is on another comp
03:46<thctlo2>lsmod | grep rtc ?? any output ?
03:47<noi_7777>same timeout message with LC_ALL=C
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03:47<noi_7777>says the same as hwclock --systohc
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03:47<weasel>noi_7777: did you do LC_ALL=C just in front of hwclock?
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03:48<noi_7777>as you said
03:48<weasel>without a semicolon between hwclock and =C
03:48<noi_7777>no semicolon
03:48<weasel>then I don't believe you.
03:48<noi_7777>just like you said before
03:49<weasel>anyway, try --directisa with hwclock
03:49<noi_7777>you dont believe me what
03:49<weasel>that it doesn't change the output.
03:49<jm_>maybe he needs clocksource= kernel option, they seem to have messed it up lately
03:49<thctlo2> noi_7777, i beleve you, whats your kernel version "uname -r"
03:49<noi_7777>--directisa didnt give me a timeout
03:50<noi_7777>might have worked, just gotta set my time, then do it again and reboot
03:50<jm_>although does that actually affect hwclock?
03:50<weasel>noi_7777: add HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" to /etc/default/rcS
03:50<weasel>noi_7777: and don't go all geeez on people who can help you next time
03:50<weasel>it doesn't make helping very rewarding
03:53<noi_7777>sorry weasel if i offended you
03:53<noi_7777>im just a littel bit frustrated... or was
03:53<noi_7777>--directisa really seemed to work
03:53<weasel>don't let that out on us. you came to us after all, not we to you.
03:54<noi_7777>HEY, i said sorry
03:54<weasel>and pasting messages in english is really what you should do in the future
03:54<weasel>that way people can google for them
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03:54<weasel>and find for instance on the first page of google hits.
03:55<noi_7777>the output message was in swedish, and i typed it exactly as it said
03:55<jm_>yeah but that's useless in #debian where people use english :)
03:56<weasel>and LC_ALL=C does work.
03:56<noi_7777>that message was NOT useless, in english it would have said something similar, just in english, but /etc/rtc, klocktick(clocktick), time-out would still had been there
03:56<weasel>noi_7777: it WAS useless
03:56<weasel>you cannot google for "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" etch
03:56<weasel>without knowing the EXACT error message.
03:57<noi_7777>how do i get the exact error message then?
03:57<weasel>LC_ALL=C <command>
03:58<weasel>weasel@evi:~$ export LANG=de_AT; export LC_MESSAGES=de_AT
03:58<weasel>weasel@evi:~$ ls df
03:58<weasel>ls: df: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
03:58<weasel>weasel@evi:~$ LC_ALL=C ls df
03:58<weasel>ls: df: No such file or directory
03:58<noi_7777>oh dang, my bad, very sorry, didnt get LC_ALL=C translated it
03:58<noi_7777>as i said, im new to linux/debian
03:59<noi_7777>so if i sound jerky, just respect that
03:59<weasel>you didn't have to _get_ it. you just had to do as you were asked
03:59<jm_>first thing you'll learn is to type exactly what people tell you
03:59<weasel>Fri 10:46:16 <weasel> noi_7777: LC_ALL=C hwclock --systohc
03:59<noi_7777>right, just a sec
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04:00<noi_7777>btw, this is also the first time i entered this channel
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04:00<noi_7777>output: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
04:00<weasel>seee. I knew why I didn't belive you when you said it didn't work
04:01<noi_7777>that was a misunderstanding
04:01<tcsetattr>is anybody investigating why so many people have a broken hwclock or do we just accept --directisa as the correct solution?
04:01<noi_7777>i thought you said it would make hwclock work
04:01<weasel>I said no such thing.
04:01<noi_7777>i didnt know what LC_ALL=C really did do
04:02<noi_7777>--directisa = solution
04:02<tcsetattr>it's reported in #411888
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04:02<tcsetattr>--directisa is a kludgy workaround... why isn't the /dev/rtc node working?
04:02<noi_7777>thanks all, sorry if i troubled anyone, but hey, im a newbie so dont be too hard on me
04:03<Waddledee>Uh, due to naively assuming that, since network-manager wanted to replace network-manager-gnome, there wasn't anything _important_ there, I let Synaptic Package Manager uninstall it. Now my Linux box has no internet. And I don't know how to fix this... without my Linux box having internet. Can someone help me?
04:04<weasel>tcsetattr: good question. I know that after I built my own kernel I didn't need it anymore
04:04<tcsetattr>according to #411888 it's udev-related
04:04<pmfp>is there anyone here involved with the gui d-i?
04:04<chealer>Waddledee: did you try reinstalling network-manager-gnome?
04:04<weasel>tcsetattr: so chances are it's CONFIG_RTF or friends
04:04<noi_7777>im running debian on a HP Compaq nx7300 laptop, and i cant even see time in bios
04:04<Waddledee>chealer: I don't think I can without a network...
04:05<weasel>Waddledee: do you have a root shell open at the moment?
04:05<chealer>Waddledee: is that a no?
04:05<Waddledee>weasel: actually, it's a dual-boot box, and I'm in Windows mode right now.
04:05<weasel>Waddledee: do you have a second computer?
04:05<Waddledee>chealer: no, I didn't actually try it.
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04:05<chealer>Waddledee: try it
04:05<Waddledee>chealer: okay, I will.
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04:06<weasel>I wished people wouldn't run off like that
04:06<chealer>it's always fun to help someone dual-booting
04:06<simonrvn>weasel: i know *sigh*
04:07<chealer>makes you appreciate having 4 computers beside you
04:07<weasel>if he comes back someone tell him to just try ifup eth0, or dhclient eth0
04:07<simonrvn>they get over it eventually :P
04:07<weasel>oh, and also ask him what kind of network it is
04:07<jm_>he can't - he was IRC-ing from Windows
04:08<jm_>or did you mean when he reboots?
04:08<weasel>when he walks the dog. what did you think? :)
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04:08<simonrvn>when he walks the cat, of course. silly.
04:09<simonrvn>(our cat doesn't need a leash, she just follows us around like a small dog ;p)
04:09<jm_>that's why it's always much better to handle this via interfaces and no those manager things
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04:10<weasel>those manager things have their uses
04:10<weasel>unfortunately nm is just a PoS
04:10<simonrvn>such as?
04:10<schoappied>short question: Is it possible to have one 266MHz memory card and one 333MHz, or will that cause troubles?
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04:10<noi_7777>could anyone try to help me solve the /dev/rtc problem, so i dont need to use this clumpsy --directisa workaround?
04:10<weasel>schoappied: depends on your hardware. next.
04:10<Waddledee>Okay, back from a different box while I try to figure this out.
04:11<noi_7777>im on the right comp now, btw
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04:11<hannes__>Hi everybody
04:11<weasel>noi_7777: what's the problem with --directisa?
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04:11<hannes__>I have a problem when I try to apt-get dvdrip.
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04:11<noi_7777>someone (was it jm_) said it was a clumpsy method
04:11<tcsetattr>lots of people are using --directisa . it's not really that horrible. it just bugs me because I've seen it come up many times and I don't know if anybody knows _why_ it happens
04:11<weasel>it works. that makes it a good method for you.
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04:12<jm_>noi_7777: no, I never said that
04:12<noi_7777>ok, never mind then, thx anyway
04:12<hannes__>it depends on libquicktime1 but there is no installtion candidate
04:12<jm_>where are you getting dvdrip from?
04:12<hannes__>(well in fact transcode depends on that
04:12<weasel>Waddledee: so, what's the status?
04:12<Waddledee>chealer: network-manager-gnome no longer appears in the list of packages in Synaptic Package Manager.
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04:12<hannes__>jm_: what do you mean?
04:12<jm_>hannes__: which repository?
04:12<weasel>Waddledee: open a root shell.
04:13<weasel>Waddledee: let me know when you have one
04:13<Waddledee>weasel: once I've done that, then what?
04:13<tcsetattr>network-manager-gnome is in sid and etch but not lenny right now
04:13<weasel>Waddledee: type ifconfig. which interfaces do you see?
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04:13<hannes__>jm_: I think
04:13<Waddledee>weasel: hang on...
04:13<schoappied>weasel: I've desktopboard D845PESV
04:13<weasel>schoappied: so go and read its manual. or try it.
04:14<weasel>schoappied: I prefer trying.
04:14<hannes__>or from the debian mirror on
04:14<chealer>Waddledee: you're using lenny, and you were upgrading your system, right?
04:14<jm_>hannes__: there it depends on libquicktime0
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04:14<Waddledee>weasel: got a big block of text labeled eth0 and one labeled lo.
04:14<hannes__>so what should I do?
04:14<Waddledee>chealer: that's correct.
04:14<weasel>hannes__: good.
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04:15<weasel>Waddledee: good
04:15<chealer>Waddledee: then that's normal. try getting an IP through DHCP using dhclient.
04:15<weasel>Waddledee: does the second line in eth0 have any inet addresses?
04:15<weasel>schoappied: so?
04:15<hannes__>jm_: any idea what could be wrong?
04:16<weasel>schoappied: try it. maybe it works, maybe it doesn't
04:16<jm_>hannes__: try apt-cache policy transcode
04:16<schoappied>weasel: ok thanks!
04:16<Waddledee>weasel: I gotta run from room to room, so hang on a min. chealer: I have no idea what you just said.
04:16<weasel>one step up from dual booting :)
04:16<hannes__>it will get it from 500 sid/main Packages
04:17<Waddledee>weasel: okay, I printed out the output. The second line of eth0 is "inet addr: Bcast: Mask:"
04:17<chealer>Waddledee: dhclient is a command to get an Internet connection using DHCP. use it to get a temporary Internet connection.
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04:17<hannes__>jm_: how can I change the source?
04:17<weasel>Waddledee: the computer you're currently sitting at, which IP address does it have?
04:18<jm_>hannes__: by editing sources.list
04:18<weasel>Waddledee: if it's a windows box then opening a command shell (start->run->"cmd") and typing "ipconfig" will tell you
04:18<Waddledee>weasel: (I've got a wireless router which is servicing both computers, this one wirelessly, the other through an Ethernet connection.)
04:18<hannes__>jm_: But I mean how can I tell apt-get to search for dvdrip on belnet instead of the current site?
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04:19<weasel>Waddledee: is your linux computer a laptop?
04:19<Waddledee>chealer: how do I do that? Just type 'dhclient', or...?
04:19<Waddledee>weasel: no.
04:19<weasel>then you don't need network-manager anyway
04:19<jm_>hannes__: uhm it will pick the repository with the latest version
04:19<chealer>Waddledee: # dhclient foo; where foo is the network interface's name
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04:19<weasel>Waddledee: your /etc/network/interfaces, can you tell us if it says anything about eth0?
04:20<tcsetattr>169.254.* is the "DHCP server didn't respond so I'll make up some random IP address" network.
04:20<weasel>Waddledee: 'grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces' should tell you, or you just open it to look
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04:20<hannes__>jm_: do you know a good repository for dvdrip (and transcode)
04:20<Waddledee>weasel: if I don't need network-manager, then why has my compy lost Inernet? *confused look* I figured it was whatever I did last that was bad, and that's the last thing I did... okay, I'll take a look.
04:20<jm_>hannes__: debian-multimedia has them both
04:20<weasel>Waddledee: answer my question and we'll find out
04:21<troubled>tcsetattr: ahhh, the old DSDRSIMUSRIA network ;)
04:21<hannes__>jm_: when I do apt-cache policy libquicktime0, he doesn't find the package.
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04:21<jm_>hannes__: how about for transcode?
04:21<hannes__>and libquicktime1 is allready installed
04:21<jm_>hannes__: are you using Etch?
04:22<hannes__>that is okay (not installed, he will get it from debian-multimedia
04:22<hannes__>uh I'm using testing
04:22<jm_>ok then your versions will not match mine
04:22<hannes__>and sid (maybe that's the same as testing, I'm not good in the names...)
04:22[~]Waddledee runs into the other room, prints out the output, and brings it back. There are two lines returned by the grep, weasel: "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp".
04:23<tcsetattr>wow... I considered stating the DSDRSIMUSRIA acronym but then decided it was not funny enough. I had it all typed out with the same recursive acronym (DHCP->D IP->I) substitutions.
04:23<weasel>Waddledee: change the 'allow-hotplug eth0' to 'auto eth0' and reboot.
04:23<tcsetattr>Micros~1 calls it "APIPA".
04:23<weasel>Waddledee: if you then still don't have a 192.168 address in ifconfig eth0 you should check your cable and maybe your wireless router (resetting the router cannot hurt)
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04:24<troubled>tcsetattr: btw, love the 8.3 on the MS
04:24<hannes__>jm_: any idea how I can fix it?
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04:25<Waddledee>weasel: okay, I'll give that a shot. (I'll lose connect here when I reset the router, so see you in a min.)
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04:26<tcsetattr>I guess the new generation raised on NTFS won't get those. but then what do I care what the newbies don't underst#*#&&*#^NO CARRIER
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04:29<jm_>hannes__: just check if the packages are there
04:30<hannes__>jm_: I've just downloaded the .deb file and I'm installing it like that ;-)
04:30<jm_>hannes__: from where?
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04:31<hannes__>jm_: now it works :D
04:32<Waddledee>weasel: okay, I changed the line you suggested and rebooted. During the boot, I saw several lines of the form 'DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to port 67 interval 5'. (The 5 was several different numbers.)
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04:32<weasel>Waddledee: that suggests that your computer doesn't get an ip address from the router
04:32<weasel>Waddledee: check the cable, check that it's plugged in, check the router
04:33<Waddledee>weasel: not sure why either of those would affect the Linux side and _not_ the Windows side, but okay, I'll wave the dead chicken. Hang on.
04:33<weasel>broken cables and not plugged in would only affect one computer :)
04:34<Waddledee>weasel: I can connect from Windows on the same box that I can't connect from Linux.
04:34<weasel>ah. true
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04:35<ladoga>waddledee are you using dhcp in windows or static ip?
04:35<Waddledee>ladoga: DHCP, I believe.
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04:36<ladoga>well...i should work just the same
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04:37[~]Waddledee doesn't like the way this conversation is heading. Which is to say, in the 'we don't have a clue why your box is broken' direction. ('');
04:38<ladoga>if running dhclient eth0 doesn't get you an ip adress then im stumped
04:38<harpal>how to set ip using GUI in debian 4.0?
04:38<Waddledee>ladoga: I haven't actually tried that yet; I was doing weasel's stuff. Let me try that.
04:38<ladoga>if your router is using dhcp that should do it
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04:42<ladoga>if you're sure that your router is using dhcp for distributing those ips
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04:43<ladoga>and that doesnt work, then i don't know
04:44<ladoga>maybe check if the module loaded for your ethernet device is the correct one
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04:45<ladoga>or if it has some user adjustable config
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04:47<ladoga>i remeber my friend having a wifi card, with module like this. it had some unique config file in /etc
04:48<Kaper>hi, i mount directory from samba server i can write to this share folder but can't delete. how to solve this problem?
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04:51<alaya>973.60kB/s transfer rate for a file over eth1394 via rsync, but not sure how accurate that value really is
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04:51<alaya>6.45MB/s for a really large file...
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04:52<alaya>looks like the speed for large files plateaus around there
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04:52<Waddledee>Okay, back. Still no joy, sadly. While the Windows side of the machine is working just fine, I can't get the Linux side to recognize the connection-- even though it was working earlier today.
04:54<Waddledee>As it's nearly 3 AM, I'm going to punt for now. I'll come back tomorrow; maybe someone will have some idea what to do then.
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04:56<alaya>that's alot lower than 400 MB/s!
04:56<M0useP0t4t0>Hi, I am using Debian Etch with KDE. A while ago, I was trying to configure konsole, now when I try to open Konsole, it goes to SU-mode
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04:57<M0useP0t4t0>What did I do wrong & how to resolve it?
04:58<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: why not look at the command arguments for the icon that launches it?
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04:58<M0useP0t4t0>I did, it says "konsole" in edit-mode & Yet when I click it, it launches in SU-mode
04:59<alaya>launch it manually from the command line with the same arguments and see what happens
04:59<M0useP0t4t0>still the same
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04:59<alaya>well then
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05:01<alaya>launch it without those arguments
05:01<M0useP0t4t0>thank you, anyway
05:01<tux>hello i try to install a wlan module for my rt2500 wlan card, but it doesnt work looks like a option in the kernel is missing, but which one?
05:01<M0useP0t4t0>there are no arguments for 'Konsole' button/icon
05:02<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: you just said there were.
05:02<M0useP0t4t0>I type 'konsole' in run-dialogue and it takes me to SU-mode
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05:02<chealer>tux: which Linux version do you use?
05:02<M0useP0t4t0>there are argument for SU-mode, the command for SU reads 'konsle --type su'
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05:03<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: konsole --help shows a listing of possible options
05:03<M0useP0t4t0>I am trying it right away
05:04<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: maybe the default mode got saved as su mode or something. perhaps you can just delete the konsole config to clear it
05:04<M0useP0t4t0>I guess so too, but I am unaware as to how to delete the .config file
05:05<M0useP0t4t0>and 'konsole --help' doesn't work. No window shown at all
05:05<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: from the help: konsole --types lists the available types
05:05<alaya>so try shell or linux instead of su maybe
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05:05<tux>chealer: debian lenny
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05:06<alaya>M0useP0t4t0: you have to run that from within an x terminal
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05:06<M0useP0t4t0>ah.. okay
05:06<tux>chealer: uname -r ->
05:08<chealer>tux: you need 2.6.22 for mac80211.
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05:09<tux>chealer: i do not have a mac80211, i have a 02:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
05:10<tux>chealer: but i have the opportunity to change the contain of the config from mac80211=y to n
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05:13<tux>chealer: or do i something missunderstand?
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05:17<chealer>tux: mac80211 isn't a chipset, it's a module for a wireless stack, previously known as devicescape
05:18<mixter>hi! how could i check wich charset is used on post- and get-data in php?
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05:23<M0useP0t4t0>I found my answer, thanks @ alaya for all your help
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05:25<M0useP0t4t0>By the way, to change it back to normal I changed command parameters from KDE-menu-editor
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05:41<aya>i am looking for the xen source code to build the nvidia drivers, but i don't seem to find them.
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05:42<lupine_85>aya: you want to run the nvidia drivers in a xen guest? (donU)
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05:43<aya>actually for the time being i just wanted them to run in the xen host
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05:44<lupine_85>ah. you want linux-headers-`uname -r`, then if you're using a debian-supplied kernel
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05:46<aya>i am using a AMD64 and already downloaded: linux-headers-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 AND linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64
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05:46<Snapser>ATI is now looking viable for Linux
05:48<lupine_85>are paravirt-ops enabled in your kernel?
05:48<aya>how so i check if they are enabled?
05:49<lupine_85>not a clue, sorry. Do you have your kernel's [.]config[.gz] anywhere? /proc? /boot?
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05:51<aya>i try again cu
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06:20<noi_7777>anyone familiar with klaptopdaemon?
06:21<noi_7777>for kde that is...
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06:45<jan>I loaded psmouse driver but the "gpm" doest work for my mouse in console, and i have an usb mouse connected through adapter of PS/2
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06:47<Berge>Is there an apache log analyser similar to eximstats? I'd like a program to just analyze one or more log files and produce some numbers, but not generate HTML-pages and stuff.
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07:07<streuner>Berge: apt-cache search log apache
07:10<Berge>streuner: I've been browsing through it, but it seems they all offer to create HTML, PDF, DocBook or something else for output files.
07:10<Berge>I guess I have to live with that, then (-:
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07:16<streuner>!info visitors
07:17<streuner>dpkg, wake up lazy bitch
07:18<streuner>Berge: apt-cache show visitors
07:18<dpkg>visitors: (fast web server log analyzer), section web, is optional. Version: 0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
07:19<streuner>Berge: "Visitors is a very fast web server log analyzer designed to be run from the command line, with support for _text_ or html output and real-time statistics generation.
07:20[~]streuner need to change his RAM..., bbl
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07:20<Berge>stoned: Ah, thanks. I didn't notice.
07:20<Berge>stoned: s/stoned/streuner/
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07:28<^shinei^>hey, how can i get my wireless MAC addrees?/
07:28<PetaWindows>^shinei^: it appears on the device...
07:29<^shinei^>ye ye. thanks.
07:29<Eulex>^shinei^, HWaddr == MAC address
07:29<PetaWindows>in some devices, iwconfig are not able to show mac..
07:29[~]^shinei^ stupid.
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07:30<Eulex>iwconfig shows the mac address of the access point, and ifconfig the mac address of your device.
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07:33<^shinei^>silly 1.
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07:38<zamolxes> what is texlive? why is it replacing tetex? is the transition safe? thanks
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07:38[~]zamolxes a bit ignorant about this , sorry about that
07:39<lupine_85>it's a different LaTeX distribution. TeTeX aren't making releases any more
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07:39<zamolxes>i just have an invoice i generate with Template Toolkit from perl , this took me by surprise :)
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07:40<lupine_85>texlive treats my documents the same as tetex did, but I don't know if the same will be true for you
07:40<zamolxes>cool. thanks
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07:57<streuner>Berge: and?
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08:01<Berge>streuner: Just what I was looking for! Thanks a bunch.
08:01<Berge>streuner: (I answered just after you disappeared.)
08:01<Berge>Must have missed it when I searched for it.
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08:04<noi_7777>could someone tell me where to put --directisa for hwclock as default?
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08:10<cahoot>noi_7777, might look at etc/init.d/
08:10<cahoot>noi_7777, /etc/init.d/
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08:21<kikinovak>Hi. We have two database servers for our network of eleven public libraries, one running CentOS 5.0, another running Debian Sarge. Q: I'm looking for mysql-bench for Debian. Is this tool not included in Debian? apt-cache search sql-bench returned nothing.
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08:27<Eulex>kikinovak, mysql-server-5.0 in etch includes a lot of files that appear to be it, in the directory /usr/share/mysql/sql-bench/ . however, sarge does not have 5.0.
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08:30<kikinovak>Eulex ah well upgrade is not so easy, since there's some older software requiring MySQL 4.
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08:30<kikinovak>Eulex anyway thanks
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08:58<daffytheduck>hi ive just installed lenny using debootstrap and i get sounds fine after starting X as root but i get errors when i start is as a user can anyone help thanx :)))
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09:00<seanius>daffytheduck: is your normal user in the audio group?
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09:00<daffytheduck>i dont know
09:00<daffytheduck>how do i check that
09:00<stroyan>daffytheduck: start a terminal and type id
09:01<daffytheduck>uid=1000(Peter) gid=1000(Peter) groups=1000(Peter)
09:01<seanius>dpkg: tell daffytheduck about group
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09:02<thctlo2>wel daffytheduck dpkg is not answering.. sudo adduser peter audio
09:02<daffytheduck>so i add the user to the audio group
09:02<daffytheduck>yeah i thought as much
09:02<thctlo2>logout and login again to activate
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09:05<daffytheduck>thnx to u guys we nw have sound :)))))
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09:11<daffytheduck>ive got another problem now Iveinstalled the acx100-source and wireless-tools and then compiled the source into a driver using module assistant, but everytime I try to add the chipset images to either /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware the whole system almost comes to a standstill and i cant get wireless to work
09:11<seanius>thctlo2: when you ask dpkg like that it private messages the answer to the person
09:12<stroyan>daffytheduck: If you use adduser --add_extra_groups username It will create a new user that belongs to many useful groups.
09:13<seanius>daffytheduck: you might want to check on bugreports for those packages and see if anyone has had similar issues
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09:15<daffytheduck>ive had a look at the setup for an ubuntu system and things are set up differently. But I think there is mention of a patch for this driver in Kernel 2.6.21-2-686 but i dont know where to apply it :(
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09:19<daffytheduck>it just says in this howto that If the latest version doesn't compile with kernel 2.6.21 and 2.6.22. Please try this patch. but it doesnt say where to apply it to wether its the source for the driver or a patch for the kernel sources
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09:22<daffytheduck>h eye
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09:24<Aleric>I have a mail problem, getting: 550 Previous (cached) callout verification failure. I'm using exim4, and I suppose this cache is /var/spool/exim4/db/callout
09:24<Aleric>Anyone got an idea/suggestion of how to clear that cache?
09:24<cafe13>where do you from
09:24<petemc>delete the files in that dir
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09:25<Aleric>petemc: sounds scary :)
09:25<petemc>nah, its fine
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09:26<cafe13>jenengmu sopo
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09:27<thctlo2>hi simple question, to make email dissapeer, i just do in aliasses username | /dev/null ?
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09:27<petemc>thctlo2: depends
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09:27<petemc>you can alias to :blackhole: with exim
09:28<thctlo2>hm, i use postfix
09:28<thctlo2>nice option in exim :D
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09:29<Aleric>It's better to reply with 550 otherwise the spammers will keep sending you mail (and add you to lists, increasing the spam in time) to <dictionary word>@your.domain
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09:29<Aleric>That way the amount of spam traffic can thousandfold
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09:34<alix>hi everyone. Do you know a lyx support channel?
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09:36<Aleric>petemc: Thank you. It works now.
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09:41<cahoot>alix, still looking for bibtex help?
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09:42<alix>yes cahoot
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09:44<cahoot>alix, I looked at - seems you need do some editing of bibtex
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09:45<alix> cahoot: do you have the link?
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09:47<alix>cahoot: i'll take a look now thanks
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10:11<davi>What is the best 3D desktop software for Debian?
10:12<JasonS>NeXXtea: hardly a 3d desktop though
10:12<NeXXtea>oh sry...i just woke up
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10:12<davi>I will google for it
10:12<Eulex>my tft is 3d. it rocks.
10:12<davi>what software do you use Eulex ?
10:13<Eulex>I'm just kidding, ignore me
10:13<davi>bah :)
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10:13<davi>3D desktop is funny to view photos. To work I prefer a 2D desktop
10:14<mikkel>hrm.. whats the debian equivalent of gentoo's /proc/net/ip_conntrack?
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10:14<Eulex>mikkel, debian should have /proc/net/ip_conntrack. what kernel are you on?
10:14<mikkel>!dpkg conntrack
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10:14<seanius>mikkel: uh.. /proc/net/ip_conntrack :)
10:14<mikkel>Eulex: the wrong one i guess then
10:15<seanius>mikkel: try "modprobe ip_conntrack"
10:15<Eulex>mikkel, uname -r
10:15<Eulex>seanius, oh, that too
10:15<mikkel>seanius: getting nothing :/
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10:16<mikkel>im using 2.6.18-5-amd64
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10:16<seanius>mikkel: file still not there? it should show up after you run taht command afaik
10:16<mikkel>not precompiled from apt
10:16<posix>When I login through kdm, I'd like to have a Konsole (or yakuake) with several tabs automatically open, each tab starting a different ssh connection... is there a preferred method for this?
10:16<NeXX>ahh here we go
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10:17<mikkel>seanius: it just popped up =D
10:17<seanius>posix: i believe kde has a "remember this session" config option buried away somewhere
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10:17<seanius>and if you use a different window manager the details are different (i.e. it's not kdm but the wm)
10:17<mikkel>seanius: how do i make it install at boottime.. dont want to modprobe each time i reboot :]
10:18<frank> /etc/modules
10:18<seanius>mikkel: echo ip_conntrack >> /etc/modules
10:18<mikkel>seanius: thanks alot =)
10:18<posix>seanius: cool
10:18<mikkel>and you too Eulex =)
10:19<posix>I guess konsole has "bookmarks", not exactly sure what thats for though..
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10:20<posix>ah, 'session' under settings has some stuff to mess with..
10:20<mikkel>posix: thats for saving a session.. more or less...
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10:22<posix>so basically I gotta figure out how to start multiple sessions
10:22<mikkel>seanius: is ECN turned off by default in the kernel?
10:24<mikkel>posix: tried opening the sessions you need and hit save sessions profile?
10:24<mikkel>in konsole
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10:25<mikkel>hrm nope wasnt it :/
10:26<patricio>morning issue this morning is that one of the login sites that I use under Winderz tells me in 'Lenny' that the browser is not supported and needs JAVA enabled.....I have tried every browser I have installed....anyone have any suggestions?....besides going back to winderz?
10:27<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
10:27<posix>mikkel; Settings -> Configure Konsole -> "Session" tab seems to take an "execute" parameter, which I could feed ssh into..
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10:29<mikkel>yeah would seem so.. but cant see saving multiple sessions anywhere :/
10:31<posix>rather, opening multiple sessions
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10:32<posix>"konsole --profile" lets you load a session..
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10:33<posix>ah --types
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10:36<mikkel>posix: you looking at the help file?
10:36<mikkel>posix: One really nice use of this feature is if you find you always have the same set of open sessions, KDE can open them all for you automatically when you start a new KDE session. Simply have them open as you like when you exit KDE, and they will be saved with your KDE session, and restored just like any other application when you restart KDE.
10:36<mikkel>so as it turns out you dont have to do anything :]
10:36<posix>i'm kinda curious how that jives with ssh though
10:37<mikkel>aye me too
10:37<posix>I guess the connections will just drop?
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10:38<mikkel>anyways the handbook has some good stuff.. you can create new session profiles and save em.. then you should be able to use ssh for example
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10:43<mikkel>posix: well works for me.. made a new session named webserver ssh.. saved it and now its in the session list :D
10:43<posix>I got it going.. --profile ftw
10:43<mikkel>whenever i click it ill connect to the webservers ssh
10:43<mikkel>hm cool stuff =)
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10:44<bcochofel>Hi, does anybody know a good time tracker software on etch that uses a db to store data?
10:45<mikkel>time tracker?
10:45<mikkel>like a clock?
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10:46<bcochofel>mikkel: to keep track of the time spend in some task
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10:46<donfede>bcochofel: I've used "karm" myself, and found it useful ... I believe it can export to CVS, which can then be used to import to a DB
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10:49<bcochofel>donfede: thx, gonna try that
10:49<bcochofel>donfede: can I have a project with several task associated?
10:49<PetaWindows>daffytheduck: the sound only works when you are logged in as root? :O curious..
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10:50<donfede>bcochofel: yes ... (sub-tasks) ... I found it to be a very nice app :)
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10:56<NeXXchi>hey guys
10:56<NeXXchi>how do i get apt-get to look on the internet instead of just on my dvd?
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10:57<frank>by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:57<NeXX>frank: thanks
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11:35<seanius>mikkel: no idea
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11:50<flami>what was the line to configure xorg again ... dpg-reconfigure ???
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11:51<stroyan>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:53<flami>woops typo
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12:01<spettit>good god
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12:01<spettit>there are way too many people in here
12:02<NeXX>whats better? to keep ntfs partitions or convert them to ext3?
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12:03<Eulex>spettit, take a look in #debian on freenode. more than 800 people there.
12:04<spettit>NeXX: i just joined this channel but if i missed any of that you can let me know
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12:05<Eulex>NeXX, totally your own choice, and depends a lot on what operating system you want to be able to write to the partitions.
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12:06<spettit>NeXX: i would say keep NTFS if you want to just read from it in Linux and be able to write in a Windows OS. Use ext3 if you never want to be able to write in Windows asided from maybe NFS or like FTP... and I'm not even sure about NFS
12:06<lupine_85>you can write to ext3 from windows
12:06<lupine_85>you just need to install a device driver for it
12:07<stroyan>NeXX: write support for ntfs from linux is very new.
12:07<Eulex>I've heard that that device driver isn't very good
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12:07<artista_frustrado>where can I find good docs/tutorials/howtos on preseed??
12:07<spettit>lupine_85: i wasn't aware of that
12:07<lupine_85>I've heard that ntfs-3g isn't very good ;)
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12:07<stroyan>Both ntfs from linux and ext3 from windows may have dissappointing lack of full user/group permissions support.
12:07<fxiny>you can use etx3 to store your iso games and load 'em from there on xp
12:07<Eulex>lupine_85, managed to corrupt a buddy's fs
12:08<fxiny>so ntfs can go to the dust bin
12:09<lupine_85>Eulex: you should see what ntfsresize did at a LUG installday I went to
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12:09<fxiny>defrag it first : ntfsresize is ok
12:09<lupine_85>I solve these problems by simply not using windows ;)
12:09<daffytheduck>ntfs is in the dustbin
12:10<fxiny>same here
12:10<Eulex>lupine_85, ^^
12:11<stroyan>artista_frustrado: Have you seen ?
12:12<NeXX>whoah, i didn't think any one was talking
12:12<NeXX>i turn my head for a sec and boom :P
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12:12<NeXX>yeah im having some problems mounting my ntfs partitions, i can paste the error now, one sec
12:13<daffytheduck>are u using the ntfs-3g driver
12:13<NeXX>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
12:13<NeXX>process 8457: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
12:13<NeXX>error: device /dev/hdf1 is not removable
12:13<NeXX>error: could not execute pmount
12:13<NeXX>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
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12:14<NeXX>sory sory sory
12:14<NeXX>im not used to this client
12:14<NeXX>i didn't think any thing was happening
12:14<spettit>so i'm really a newb to debian. i'm looking for either a good book or some good documentation
12:15<daffytheduck>try a paste bin
12:15<spettit>does anybody know where i can find this
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12:15<spettit>besides google
12:15<daffytheduck>i dont know try the debian website
12:15<JasonS>manuals and google then
12:15<daffytheduck>thats got heaps of stuff
12:16<NeXX>or just jump into it like i did and hang out in here and ask questions about every little problem you encounter :P
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12:16<softwork>pidgin is in backports?
12:16<softwork>i dont find
12:17<daffytheduck>where is lenny then
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12:17<softwork>lenny have some bugs
12:17<spettit>i don't know if pidgin is in backports or not, but i know that i just read it can support myspace messenger now
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12:17<JasonS>spettit: and thats a good thing? ack
12:18<spettit>well, it supports icq
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12:19<daffytheduck>im thinking of mirroring the whole of lenny
12:20<softwork>my pinnacle 110i in lenny... no sound
12:20<softwork>: )
12:20<daffytheduck>whats a pinacle
12:20<daffytheduck>im lost
12:20<spettit>it used to be a really good one
12:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see
12:21<softwork>is a problem in soundcard or tv
12:21<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
12:21<daffytheduck>even mentioning that on here is dicey
12:21<kevinl>is there a pre-made lenny vmware machine anywhere?
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12:24<daffytheduck>its a good program avidemux
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12:38<spettit>i'm off to work
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12:44<Darkwing>anybody in home?
12:44<JasonS>nope, im at work
12:44<Darkwing>nice try.
12:46<PetaWindows>JasonS: I'd like to work as you do... :D connected to #debian channel ^^
12:47<PetaWindows>Darkwing: what this question means? :S
12:47<JasonS>PetaWindows: well i am at work actually, killing time here though
12:47<Darkwing>PetaWindows, not importante, just talking.
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12:48<PetaWindows>Darkwing: ohh :)
12:48<PetaWindows>JasonS: killing time? lol
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12:50<Darkwing>Hey, I want to kill my time in work too! :)
12:50<PetaWindows>me 2 =D
12:50<fxiny>that's right : you wanna do nothing ? just work :P
12:51<PetaWindows>In this way everybody would like to work :D
12:51<Darkwing>who control the firewall control de internet access here. :D
12:51<posix>off topic, but:
12:51<posix> New Starcraft 2 Terran Gameplay Video
12:51<Darkwing>in other word, myself.
12:52<fxiny>starcruft ?
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12:53<posix>only available in exe or dmg of course.. ugh.
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12:53<fxiny>like c&c , the first==the best , is free now
12:55<Darkwing>what is that?
12:55<posix>incidentally, how the hell do I look at a .dmg?
12:55<JasonS>Darkwing: what is what?
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12:55<posix>mount -t hfs -o loop <somefile>.dmg ./<somemountpoint>
12:55<Darkwing>sorry, sometimes I'm crazy..
12:55<posix>not worky
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12:57<Darkwing>But i'm no dangerous... don't worry.
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12:59<amphi>Darkwing: what are you raving about?
12:59<kevinl>anyone installed lenny in vmware?
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13:00<kevinl>the installer cant find the virtual disk
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13:00<kevinl>hard disk, so it cant partition it
13:00<Darkwing>amphi, I'm not sure..
13:01<vortex>kevinl: in vmware?
13:01<davi>Where can I get Nvidia 1.0.9755-1 o newer?
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13:03<Darkwing>anyone can tell a good debian mailling list?
13:03<node3667>Darkwing: ? the debian-users of course
13:03<vortex>davi: its Darkwing debian-user and debian-devel are some
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13:03<vortex>oops heh
13:04<vortex>davi: 100.14.11 is in unstable
13:04<vortex>Darkwing: debian-user and debian-devel
13:04<davi>vortex, what package name?
13:04<Darkwing>great, I'll look for.
13:04<vortex>davi: nvidia-glx
13:04<davi>thanks vortex
13:04<vortex>its in non-free
13:04<davi>ah, that is because I did not found it :)
13:04<Defiled>but it works anyway!
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13:06<Defiled>i dumb myself
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13:06<vortex>oookk then
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13:10<kevinl>vortex, ya, vmware
13:10<kevinl>i cant install lenny because the installer doesnt see the vmware virtual disk
13:10<kevinl>though lenny vmware machines exist, id like to build my own
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13:12<lsailor>how do i set bash to honor permissions of the owner of files. currently i can set permissions to 444 but the owner can still delete the file
13:12<vortex>kevinl: dont use the default disk type, choose the second one. i cant remember the name for it right now though =/
13:12<cahoot>lsailor, chattr?
13:13<kevinl>ide ?
13:14<kevinl>it makes a scsi disk by default. trying ide.
13:14<vortex>yup ide
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13:15<Darkwing>ready, I'm in the debian-users list. :)
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13:15<lsailor>cahoot: chattr -RV -u * ??
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13:17<cahoot>the man says u isn't honored
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13:18<Darkwing>hi JB23
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13:19<jB23>hi Darkwing :)
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13:19<jB23>i've a problem with my etch
13:19<jB23>can u help me ?
13:20<Darkwing>no me, I'm using Conectiva Linux..
13:20<vortex>jB23: whats your problem?
13:20<jB23>i dont know this
13:20<Darkwing>JB23, it's a brazillian linux. ;)
13:20<jB23>commands like lspci or ifconfig are only available in root :/
13:20<jB23>Darkwing, ok :)
13:20<vortex>jB23: yup
13:20<ErJeDi>hi to all and good afternoon
13:21<jB23>hi ErJeDi
13:21<jB23>vortex, i dont know why
13:21<jB23>ive do netinstall
13:21<vortex>jB23: thats normal
13:21<jB23>vortex, ??!
13:22<jB23>how to fix it vortex please ?
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13:22<stroyan>lsailor: permission to delete a file is about directory permissions settings. It is not restricted by the file's permissions.
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13:23<vortex>jB23: you should just add your user to sudoers and leave it so root can only use the programs
13:24<jB23>vortex, but why this commands are only available in root ?!
13:25<vortex>for security reasons
13:25<vortex>and just general good idea
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13:25<vortex>you dont want just any user to be able to use ifconfig and friends
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13:25<stroyan>jB23: You can run /usr/bin/lspci or /sbin/ifconfig as a non-root user. They need to be added to PATH if you want to type just the basename.
13:25<jB23>vortex, ok but under ubuntu is available for all users
13:26<vortex>hmm, stroyan is right =)
13:26<vortex>i forgot i had locked mine down, and its not default
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13:26<jB23>stroyan, ok thank you man
13:26<jB23>and thank you vortex :)
13:26<vortex>but its a good idea to not let just anyone be able to use them
13:27<jB23>yep i think so !!!
13:27<stroyan>vortex: Restricting running a program is not really effective. The reliable permissions check limits what each program can do.
13:28<stroyan>A non-root user can run ifconfig. But such a user cannot change a network interface's settings.
13:28<vortex>stroyan: true, but it stops the not so bright user from accidentaly doing something
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13:29<simonrvn>s,stops,slows down,
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13:31<davi>vortex, Do you know how to solve this? -- nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable
13:31<jB23>davi, u can use envy
13:32<davi>jB23, Is envy the name of a package?
13:32<amphi>jB23: envy is evil
13:32<jB23>why amphi ???
13:32<amphi>davi: do not use envy
13:32<jB23>but why ?!
13:32<davi>amphi, OK, I will not use it
13:33<amphi>jB23: it leads to an increase of suffering
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13:33<jB23>amphi, envy work good at me
13:33<davi>I see the nvidia-kernel-source_100.14.11-1_i386.deb package in unstable, but not its binary one!
13:34<amphi>jB23: time will tell ;)
13:34<davi>The binary one is needed to install nvidia-glx
13:34<the-dude>how can I convert quicktime to anything else?
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13:35<amphi>davi: I hear the 100.x drivers have problems (more than earlier ones)
13:35<vortex>davi: you should use module-assistant
13:35<amphi>davi: I don't have nvidia here, but that's what I hear from others
13:35<vortex>apt-get install module-assistant
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13:36<davi>apt-get install module-assistant DONE!, and now what?
13:36<vortex>davi: m-a prepare
13:36<vortex>m-a a-i nvidia
13:36<jB23>ive to go
13:36<jB23>bye bye and ty
13:36<davi>ack vortex
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13:36<vortex>davi: hmm?
13:37<davi>vortex, acknowledgement
13:37<vortex>ah thought you meant ack as in something went wrong =)
13:37<davi>no no
13:38<davi>Just to note I received your message
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13:42<Darkwing>I've to go, see you later.
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13:44<davi>vortex, Must I install nvidia-glx too, or all is done with m-a a-i nvidia ?
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13:45<vortex>davi: you install nvidia-glx too
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13:46<vortex>davi: and then when you are done, i recommend installing nvidia-settings
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13:47<davi>ok, I will install it too. But, must I to some setup?
13:47<davi>or just use the default setup?
13:47<vortex>install nvidia-cxconfig and it should handle it
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13:50<vortex>davi: is an example nvidia xorg.conf
13:51<davi>thanks, I am reading it
13:51<vortex>davi: try using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg before using nvidia-xconfig
13:51<davi>So, I must run the nvidia-xconfig command
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13:52<vortex>do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select nvidia as the driver, and you shouldnt need to
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13:53<vortex>davi: and you dont need the Composite extension unless you want to use 3D WM stuff
13:53<davi>vortex, I use to configure xorg.conf by hand
13:54<vortex>that works too
13:54<davi>vortex, I want to use/try the 3D WM stuff :)
13:54<davi>I am just upgrading all this from etch to unstable just to try the last version of Compiz Fusion
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13:55<davi>It will be fun to play a bit with it
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13:55<davi>I am going to restart the X server, later
13:56<Waddledee>Hi. My computer gets network access from an Ethernet connection to a wireless router. Somehow, I've managed to screw up the Linux side's ability to make that connection (it's a dual-boot box). The last change I made was upgrading network-manager (I'm running lenny), which required me to uninstall network-manager-gnome. Can someone help me figure out how to fix the problem?
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13:57<mikkel>Waddledee: did you enable your interfaces after the upgrade?
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14:00<Waddledee>mikkel: I don't know how to do that. I'm on another machine in the house, so if you could walk me through it?
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14:01<mikkel>Waddledee: open a root terminal and see what ifconfig says.. if there's no interfaces being listed they're not enabled..
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14:02<guillaume>after resuming from hibernate I have a process khubd that run 100% cpu and that freeze usb hardware detecion. how can i fix that ?
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14:04<Waddledee>mikkel: ifconfig returns two big blocks of text, one labeled 'eth0', one labeled 'lo'.
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14:05<mikkel>Waddledee: how many ethernet cards do you have?
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14:06<Waddledee>mikkel: just one, to my knowledge.
14:07<mikkel>Waddledee: okie is your router running a dhcp server?
14:07<mikkel>you may wanna try /etc/init.d/networking restart
14:07<mikkel>then check if you get an ip in the eth0 block
14:08<mikkel>(check that with ifconfig)
14:08<guillaume>try ifup too
14:09<Waddledee>mikkel: okay, just to verify, I type "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in the root terminal, then try "ifconfig" again?
14:10<mikkel>yessir that should restart the network interfaces
14:10<mikkel>and if your router in fact is a dhcp server it should provide the eth0 interface with an ip address
14:10<mikkel>i think
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14:11<guillaume>Waddledee: check if your eth0 is up
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14:13<Waddledee>guillaume: how would I do that? mikkel: I tried the restart command. It output some messages, spent some time outputting lines of the form 'DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to port 67 interval ?', then said 'No DHCPOFFERS receieved.'
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14:15<mikkel>Waddledee: well does the router that it is connected to use dhcp for assigning ip adresses? you know.. automatic ip stuff
14:15<guillaume>Waddledee: the module for your ethernet card is well loaded in the kernel as it seem that you can get eth0 interface with ifconfig, now try ifup to set up your ip, etc (man ifup for info)
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14:17<mikkel>no point in both of us confusing you Waddledee ;) guillaume has the answers you want so ill just go fix my broken mysql server
14:17<Waddledee>mikkel: okay. guillaume: let me take a look...
14:18<Waddledee>guillaume: I typed 'ifup eth0'. It responded 'interface eth0 already configured'.
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14:19<guillaume>Waddledee: can you post on pastbin site the output of ifconfig ?
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14:21<guillaume>Waddledee: in order to let me know more about your cinfig you may add "lspci" "and "lsmod" ouputs
14:21<Waddledee>guillaume: that'll take a bit (I'll have to print it off, then re-type it here), but okay. Hang on.
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14:22<guillaume>Waddledee: nope do lspci >> /home/yourusername/Desktop/outputpci.txt for example
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14:23<guillaume>Waddledee: you'll get text file output that you can paste in pastebin
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14:27<Waddledee>guillaume: ...except that the affected computer can't access the Internet, so it can't access Pastebin, remember?
14:29<guillaume>Waddledee: oups :)
14:29<davi>vortex, My hardware requires nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx not nvidia-kernel-100.14.11. However nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable
14:29<davi>Do you have any advice?
14:30<Waddledee>guillaume: hm. I think it would actually take less time to save the file somewhere the Windows side can see it, reboot, and Pastebin than to retype all of this. (It'd also be less error-prone.) Hang on while I do that.
14:30<guillaume>Waddledee: what's the branch of debian distribution ? Stable / testing /unstable ?
14:31<guillaume>Waddledee: if you have an usb dongle and that usb is working you may put all text file on it maybe...
14:31<chealer>Waddledee: or you can transfer to your current computer using fine removable media
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14:34<Waddledee>guillaume: testing. And I don't have a USB dongle or removable media. (It doesn't even have a floppy drive; it does have a CD burner, but that's pretty wasteful...)
14:35<guillaume>chealer: floppy ? ;) only few old guy remember how to use fd0 lol I hadn't seen one since a long time...
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14:36<guillaume>Waddledee: when you run ifconfig eth2 can u paste the output of the line begening by inet ?
14:37<guillaume>eth0 for you
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14:39<Waddledee>guillaume: okay, hang on; gonna have to reboot a couple of times...
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14:40<chealer>guillaume: floppy, optical disk, USB stick, whatever.
14:41<guillaume>how to kill fantom process , i use killall -9 without success....
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14:43<ifvoid>guillaume: you mean zombies?
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14:44<Waddledee>guillaume: I get the same line I got in the pastebin: inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
14:44<guillaume>ifvoid: yes khubd after restart my laptop on hibernate state
14:44<Waddledee>...when I do 'ifconfig'. When I just do 'ifconfig eth0', that line doesn't appear.
14:45<ifvoid>guillaume: what does ps aux|grep khub say?
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14:46<guillaume>Waddledee: 169 begining ip mean that the ethernet card can't reach the router certainly
14:47<chealer>Waddledee: what's the router's address?
14:47<guillaume>Waddledee: link is good between them ? (check if leds are on)
14:48<guillaume>Waddledee: I think you must obtain an ip begening by 192 if you're using a private network behind the router
14:49<Waddledee>guillaume: the router's LEDs look fine, but the one that normally turns on to represent the Ethernet connection to my compy is off. I know the cable works, because I can still use it from the Windows side (the light turns on then). chealer: I access router setup with (But I can't get there from the Linux box.)
14:49<davi>My Nvidia hardware requires nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx It does not work with nvidia-kernel-100.14.11
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14:49<davi>nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.11
14:50<davi>Conclusion: Debian unstable does not support the old Nvidia hardware
14:50<davi>as GeForce4
14:51<guillaume>Waddledee: what's the network card brand and model ?
14:51<davi>Is there a nvidia-glx package for the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx driver?
14:51<chealer>davi: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
14:51<Waddledee>guillaume: I don't know; it came with the computer. How can I find out?
14:52<davi>thanks chealer !
14:52<guillaume>Waddledee: I think it may be due to a bad setup of module driver for you network card
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14:52<guillaume>Waddledee: lspci|grep ethernet
14:52<chealer>guillaume: looks fine to me. he had a realtek
14:53<chealer>guillaume: lspci|grep -i ethernet; would return "02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)"
14:53<Waddledee>guillaume: 02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
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14:53<Waddledee>...yeah, what he said. (^^);
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14:54<chealer>Waddledee: try manually assigning an IP first; for example # ifconfig eth0; then see if you can ping the router
14:54<guillaume>chealer: yes it's really common hardware, what i find strange is that led link of card is off but card seem to be up as ifconfig show an output
14:55<Waddledee>chealer: okay, hang on.
14:55<kdean06>Is it possible the OTHER end isn't plugged in?
14:55<chealer>guillaume: ah, I hadn't notice he wrote that
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14:55<Waddledee>kdean06: I know the cables are fine because I can use the connection in Windows.
14:55<chealer>kdean06: Waddledee wrote the same computer works with Windows.
14:55<kdean06>Ah, I must have missed that.
14:56<rjbase89>Hi everyone... could somebody tell me what directory lib files like cmath.h reside?
14:56<guillaume>Waddledee: have try to fix ip as chealer told you ?
14:57<Waddledee>guillaume, chealer: I tried that. Ping returns 'destination host unreachable'.
14:57<chealer>rjbase89: if they're installed on your system, $ locate cmath.h; should tell you
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14:57<chealer>Waddledee: if network-manager is still installed, uninstall it
14:58<chealer>(I would try that, at least)
14:58<rjbase89>chealer> thanks... that's a command that I wasnt familar with... Ill try it.
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14:59<guillaume>Waddledee: try ping to see if local interface respond
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15:00<Waddledee>chealer, guillaume: okay, let me try those things.
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15:01<Waddledee>chealer: okay, I uninstalled network-manager. guillaume: before and after the uninstall, pinging myself succeeded.
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15:03<kdean06>Has dhcp been tried? (Sorry if this has been answered, I joined as he was explaining the problem)
15:04<guillaume>Waddledee: I read more about your type of ethernet card did lsmod|grep 8139too return a line ?
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15:05<guillaume>kdean06: even the output led of the card stay off so I think it must be more than dhcp pb
15:06[~]kdean06 sighs
15:06<guillaume>kdean06: but the card works fine under win
15:06<Waddledee>guillaume: #
15:06<Waddledee>8139too 25536 0
15:06<Waddledee>Ack! Sorry.
15:07<kdean06>So the module is loaded, and it is being detected by the PCI bus... No LED and confirmed hardware is functional...
15:07<guillaume>Waddledee: ok so it's sure that you have the good driver loaded
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15:08<tcsetattr>anybody mention mii-tool yet?
15:09<Waddledee>tcsetattr: you talking to me? No, nobody's mentioned that...
15:10<tcsetattr>mii-tool (or ethtool if you have it) will show the link status of the network interface
15:10<guillaume>Waddledee: it seem that it a noapic pb
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15:11<kdean06>tcsetattr, Wouldn't that require that the NIC actually cause the creation of an interface?
15:11<kdean06>DOES the card generate an interface? :P
15:11<tcsetattr>oh, it doesn't? sorry, I just got here.
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15:11<kdean06>Yeah, it seems this one has a bunch of those trying. Myself included.
15:13<posix> did somebody say INTERNET TUBEZ?
15:13[~]Waddledee waits hopefully for someone else to suggest an approach (other than 'nuke and pave', which he's starting to get tempted by).
15:14<kdean06>Waddledee, When you say it worked on Windows, do you mean XP or Vista? And have you recently installed a new Windows driver for that NIC?
15:15<Waddledee>kdean06: XP. And come to think of it, I think there was a Windows Update that updated the driver, though I couldn't swear to it.
15:15<guillaume>Waddledee: you may go to bootup-manager from system menu and see if you can enable option "noapic" on boot, some people use that to solve similar pb
15:15<Waddledee>guillaume: I'll try that.
15:16<kdean06>Hopefully that will help, the no apic option.
15:18<kdean06>guillaume, I'm seeing something on the Mepis forums, someone with a similar issue and it appears it was triddered by a Windows update... That sounds impossible, unless it was a firmware update, no
15:18<chealer>Waddledee: how often do you update and reboot that machine?
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15:18<Waddledee>chealer: well, the reason I have Windows is for games, so it gets rebooted about once a day.
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15:19<Waddledee>guillaume: I can't find the Bootup Manager. Can you be more specific?
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15:19<chealer>Waddledee: and how often do you update it?
15:19<chealer>Waddledee: try mii-tool
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15:20<Waddledee>chealer: the Linux side? Whenever I see the 'you've got updates' icon, so daily.
15:20<Waddledee>chealer: okay. Just type 'mii-tool'?
15:21<chealer>Waddledee: yeah, or # mii-tool eth0; It should return something like "eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok"
15:21<chealer>Waddledee: OK
15:22<Waddledee>chealer: 'mii-tool eth0' returned 'eth0: link ok'.
15:22<guillaume>Waddledee: try bum as root
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15:23<Waddledee>guillaume: Just 'bum'?
15:23<guillaume>Waddledee: yes
15:23<Waddledee>Command not found.
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15:24<guillaume>Waddledee: when you run "whoami" you are under root ?
15:25<Waddledee>guillaume: yes.
15:25<chealer>guillaume: it's presumably not installed
15:25<guillaume>Waddledee: on my lenny it work well with standard install, you're under gnome ?
15:26<kdean06>Waddledee, Could you try "lsmod | grep "8139cp" and tell me if that returns anything?
15:26<guillaume>chealer: bum is not standard package under gnome ?
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15:27<kdean06>Waddledee, Sorry, typo in there "lsmod | grep 8139cp"
15:27<Waddledee>kdean06: 8139cp 22336 0
15:27<tcsetattr>apt-cache rdepends bum: sysv-rc. (and that's only a Suggestion)
15:27<kdean06>Could the 8193cp driver be locking the 8139too out?
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15:27<tcsetattr>if 8193cp claimed the device, yeah that sounds possible
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15:28<kdean06>Waddledee, Could you please try, as root, "modprobe -r 8139cp; modprobe 8193too"
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15:28<tcsetattr>ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver to see which driver claimed it
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15:29<tcsetattr>or maybe ls -ld /sys/bus/pci/drivers/*/*/net/* would be more revealing
15:29<Waddledee>kdean06, tcsetattr: okay, hang on.
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15:30<tcsetattr>removing 8139cp sounds like a good idea (unless it's the other way around and 8139too is the one that's wrong)
15:30<chealer>ls: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/*/*/net/*: No such file or directory
15:30<kdean06>I hate Xchat's UI sometimes.
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15:30<tcsetattr>well never mind that.
15:31<chealer>tcsetattr: 8139too is the newest
15:31<Supaplex>!smite xchat's ui
15:31[~]dpkg smites xchat's ui with a plague of characters from an unknown locale
15:31<guillaume>nope i read that 8139too was better driver for this network card
15:31<tcsetattr>remove both 8139cp and 8139too, then modprobe just one of them and see if it helps. if not remove that and try the other one.
15:31<Waddledee>kdean06: neither modprobe command produced any output. tcsetattr: the driver is linked to /bus/pci/drivers/8139too .
15:31<kdean06>Waddledee, That's fine. See if the LED isn't on no.
15:31<chealer>tcsetattr: but thanks for the "ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver", I was trying to remember how to do earlier unsuccessfully
15:32<tcsetattr>but remember sysfs is not a stable interface, it'll change next week :)
15:32<Waddledee>kdean06: the LED is still off. tcsetattr: I don't know how to do that.
15:32<tcsetattr>find /sys -ls | grep 8139 would have been the safer idea.
15:33<tcsetattr>rmmod 8139cp;rmmod 8139too;modprobe 8139too
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15:33<Waddledee>tcsetattr: okay, hang on.
15:33<tcsetattr>we don't even know if the presence of 8139cp is related.
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15:34<stroyan>Waddledee: points to a bad NIC state that required turning the power completely off after exiting from windows.
15:35<chealer>Waddledee: what does # arp -a; output?
15:35<Waddledee>tcsetattr: the first rmmod command returned 'Moduce 8139cp does not exist in /proc/modules'. The other two commands executed without trouble.
15:35<Waddledee>stroyan: I've already tried a complete shutdown of computer, router, and cable modem.
15:35<Waddledee>chealer: 'arp -a' has no output.
15:35<stroyan>This must be the new and improved windows driver from hell.
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15:36<tcsetattr>if mii-tool disagrees with the card's LED how about ethtool
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15:37<Waddledee>stroyan: I'll try a full power-down, then bringing it up in Linux, since it seems Windows may be poisoning the well when run. Hang on.
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15:37<guillaume>tcsetattr: do you know how to us noapic ? I read on forum that it may solve the network access pb to network here
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15:38<tcsetattr>noapic is a kernel command line argument
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15:42<Waddledee>stroyan: sadly, leaving the computer off for a full minute, then rebooting into Linux didn't clear the problem. Does anyone else have something they want me to try?
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15:46<Waddledee>This 'noapic' option's been mentioned a few times. Might it help with my problem? If so, how do I use it?
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15:48<tcsetattr>goes on the kernel command line in your lilo/grub/misc-other-bootloader configuration
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15:50<Waddledee>tcsetattr: okay, let me try entering it as a boot paramater. If it works, I can add it more permanently.
15:52<Waddledee>I'm using grub. How do I add 'noapic' from the boot menu? I can edit the boot commands, but I don't know where to put it.
15:52<tcsetattr>I don't know grub.
15:53<chealer>tcsetattr: at the end of the "kernel" line
15:53<tcsetattr>tell him
15:53<chealer>Waddledee: at the end of the "kernel" line
15:54<Waddledee>chealer: okay, I tried it. It doesn't look like it made a difference, though.
15:54<kdean06>Waddledee, You have to reboot after it's saved.
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15:55<tcsetattr>cat /proc/cmdline to confirm that it got in the right place
15:55<Waddledee>kdean06, tcsetattr: I was entering the parameter from the boot menu; I figured if it worked, I could add it more permanently.
15:56<kdean06>Oh, I'm sorry, I assumed you added it to the menu.lst file and then hadn't rebooted.
15:56<Waddledee>tcsetattr: root=/dev/hda1 ro noapic
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15:57<chealer>Waddledee: is the LED on at any time, say a few seconds during boot?
15:57<tcsetattr>ok, you've successfully booted with the noapic option then. I don't know what that option is supposed to do so that's as much as I can say about it.
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15:58<Waddledee>chealer: I don't believe so, but I'll try it again and watch.
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16:02<Waddledee>chealer: sorry, not even a flicker. This is getting frustrating; the 'nuke and pave' option is looking better and better.
16:02<UK-Toker>hi peeps, how can i find out how much storage space i got free on me mounts.
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16:02<tcsetattr>df (1) - report filesystem disk space usage
16:03<UK-Toker>nice one. thanks tcsetattr
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16:04<chealer>Waddledee: if you go to tty1 and unplug then replug the cable, do you see "eth0: link down" then up?
16:05<Waddledee>chealer: okay, hang on.
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16:06<guillaume>tcsetattr: do you know how i can kill khubd zombie process create by hibernate on restart of my laptop. I try killall -9 without success
16:07<Waddledee>chealer: I hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, then disconnected each end of the cable between computer and router, then plugged them back in. Nothing changed on the screen.
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16:08<kdean06>guillaume, kill -u <pid> or killall -HUP <processname>
16:08<kdean06>-9, not -u
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16:10<guillaume>kdean06: it fail too
16:10<kdean06>Hrm.. My average sucks today.
16:10<chealer>Waddledee: you just need to disconnect one end. do you see the output in dmesg?
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16:11<Waddledee>chealer: And dmesg is where?
16:11<chealer>Waddledee: $ dmesg
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16:13<Waddledee>Wait, while I was in here, a couple messages appeared on the screen there: 'NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out', followed by 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1'. Then the same two lines again.
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16:13<tcsetattr>mii-tool -w is nice - it's like a tail -f of link state
16:14<chealer>Waddledee: OK
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16:16<Waddledee>chealer: it's output the same two lines again, and I haven't touched it, so... now what?
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16:21<chealer>Waddledee: if you go at the router and you disconnect/reconnect the cable, do you see the LED blink at all?
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16:23<Waddledee>chealer: hang on, I'll try that. (Between the router and the computer, right?)
16:24<chealer>Waddledee: yes, the problematic computer booted in Debian
16:24<Waddledee>chealer: nothing.
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16:25<chealer>Waddledee: do you have another switch than that router?
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16:26<Waddledee>chealer: I could try connecting the computer directly to the cable modem...
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16:27<chealer>Waddledee: yeah, that could be interesting if the modem has a link LED too
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16:32<lcolmenares>hello averyone
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16:32<Waddledee>chealer: okay, hang on. (I'll lose connect here, of course.)
16:32<chealer>Waddledee: yeah
16:33<lcolmenares>is there anyone who can help me set up a radius server?
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16:34<rjbase89>I am having trouble compile C programs with math.h functions. I am using Etch. Did I miss installing something?
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16:35<tcsetattr>you must link with the math library -lm
16:35<chealer>rjbase89: we can't say without knowing what you installed or what trouble your are having.
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16:37<Waddledee>chealer: okay, I tried it. The modem activity light didn't come on.
16:37<Jkl82>can somebody help me?... My postgres service is working fine... but I've been trying to load the service witht the session..
16:37<Waddledee>(Odd that I didn't lose connection here; guess I wasn't disconnected long enough.)
16:37<Jkl82>And I need the postgres user for that..
16:38<rjbase89>well I installed gcc. I have math.h in /usr/include. But the compiler complains that math.h functions are not defined
16:38<chealer>Waddledee: not even blinking?
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16:39<Waddledee>chealer: correct.
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16:40<rjbase89>when I installed gcc I simply used apt-get install gcc. I'm wondering if I need to install other packages.
16:40<tcsetattr>that's not odd. TCP is supposed to be resilient against temporary link failures. connection can stay established forever if both ends are willing to tolerate the fact that nothing is being sent or received. (IRC server tolerates it for just a few minutes)
16:40<chealer>rjbase89: try what tcsetattr wrote
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16:41<tcsetattr>apt-get install build-essential would be smart. then link with -lm
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16:42<tcsetattr>theoretically, the man page for the function should tell you all the required -l flags in the SYNOPSIS section. not all the man pages are good though.
16:43<rjbase89>tcsetattr> I have not used -lm. would that be an argument to the gcc command?
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16:43<tcsetattr>it is an argument to the final linking gcc command
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16:44<tcsetattr>and it goes _after_ the objects which use the math functions.
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16:44[~]Waddledee needs to get going, RL; he'll come back later if he can't get it working on his own.
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16:44<rjbase89>not an argument but an option rather.
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16:44<rjbase89>Ill try it . Thanks
16:44<tcsetattr>an option is an argument that starts with '-'
16:45<user111>my web / php got hacked. - - [05/Sep/2007:22:11:17 +0000] "GET /default.php?ps=;rm%20vlvlddf.txt;;;;;;perl%20vlvlddf.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 12198 "-" "Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Indy
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16:45<tcsetattr>can we see what comes after "Indy"? that's a very interesting fake user-agent :)
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16:46<user111>this is the whole line
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16:46<guillaume>when I launch app or utils that need gksu under gnome desktop (gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator) the terminal refue to open and I get (Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified (gnome-terminal:6369): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:. What's wrong ?
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16:53<guillaume>davi: you still have problem with nvidia driver ?
16:54<davi>No, nvidia now works rightly
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16:54<davi>however I have problem with compiz
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16:54<guillaume>davi: fine
16:54<davi>It does not get the windows manager
16:54<davi>I click on a window and it is not selected!
16:55<guillaume>davi: i don't know compiz, i tru beryl some time ago, but found that it wasn't stable enough
16:55<davi>compiz is now the problem :) That is the next goal :)
16:56<davi>compiz fusion is the result of compiz and beryl fusion, I think
16:56<davi> compiz 0.5.2
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16:57<davi>I am a KDE guy, but I am impressed about the look&feel of gnome 2.18!
16:58<stroyan>davi: With nvidia it is important to have Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" in section screen of /etc/X11/xorg.conf . Without that window manager decorations don't render.
16:58<davi>let me check
16:58<guillaume>davi: beryl doesn't support well, the screensaver and freeze when resuming session on my 7950gtx nvidia card
16:58<xbc_>hi, does someone know how to stop a konversation script? It seems like ps doesn't list scripts started from within konversation, and i can't kill it the usual way :\ ?
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16:59<davi>stroyan, Yes I have it: Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
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17:00<xbc_>there is an infinit loop in the script :)
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17:01<davi>stroyan, Such option in the Screen section, Isn't it?
17:02<stroyan>davi: Yes. I have it just before DefaultDepth
17:02<tcsetattr>xbc_, have you done "ps x", or "ps ax"
17:02<davi>I am going to restart, to check
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17:03<stroyan>davi: If it is working you will see "Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"" in /var/log/Xorg.0
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17:03<stroyan>Err, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:04<xbc_>tcsetattr, thank you :) ps x does show it!
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17:14<gabrix>any idea someone on how to configure a digicom skytel ?
17:15<gabrix>Do u know those usb telephones ?
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17:15<gabrix>To voip !
17:15<gabrix>any idea where i could get driver for ?
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17:16<gabrix>hello everyone
17:16<Supaplex>... digicom skytel...
17:16<Supaplex>does it show up in syslog/dmesg when you plug it in?
17:17<gabrix>i will give a look wait
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17:17<Supaplex>usb phones are an amalgmation of sound card, display, and input device. if the drivers are there, it's still up to the software to have a clue how to use them all
17:17<gabrix>disconnect addres 3
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17:18<gabrix>new full speed usb device
17:18<Supaplex>but that's all? - consider if it's more than a line or two
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17:18<gabrix>using uhci_hcd
17:18<gabrix>ad address 5
17:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 311] by debhelper
17:19<gabrix>Conwise??echnology SkyWin USB PHONE as /class/input5
17:20<Supaplex>about all that tells us is, it was unplugged, and plugged in. no indication of a driver .. ouuu except for that.
17:20<Supaplex>try typing numbers
17:20<Supaplex>mine acts just like the keyboard :)
17:20<gabrix>do you want a lsusb ?
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17:22<rjbase89>tcsetattr > using lm as an option to the command gcc solved the problem. Thanks
17:22<Supaplex>gabrix: try to figure out if your device is compatible first
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17:24<Supaplex>with a search engine
17:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
17:25<rjbase89>tcsetatttr> are ya still here?
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17:26<bahamat>I realize I'm very late to the game, but what do I ask dpkg about for the sarge->etch upgrade?
17:27<panagos>is there a place where i can read about the size in bits of the uids, the pids, the maximum number of open files, etc, in linux?
17:27<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security>
17:27<tcsetattr>almost caught that one.
17:28<bahamat>dang, I liked apt-get dist-upgrade :-(
17:28<bahamat>and I have over 150 servers to upgrade
17:28<tcsetattr>you can still use apt-get dist-upgrade to do the main part. the release notes are important to find out what other stuff you might need to do.
17:29<gabrix> is onlu pci devices
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17:34<padski>panagos, on a running system ?
17:34<panagos>padski: preferrably yes :)
17:35<padski>panagos, I mean: you want to know about the system you are on (ie: introspection) or a bout systems in general
17:35<gabrix>i gave digicom to as keyworg but nothing
17:36<panagos>padski: basically in general
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17:36<panagos>padski: then we can see about introspecting...
17:36<padski>panagos, shame! I thought the other answer was much more interesting :-)
17:36<tcsetattr>uids are 32 bits, they used to be 16
17:37<padski>panagos, yes there are such places. You could start with the kernel headers
17:37<padski>pids are still 16 bits afaik
17:37<padski>max number of open files ... some variables there ?
17:38<panagos>padski: does the kernel provide hooks for such info?
17:38<tcsetattr>open file limit used to be 1024 by default but now it's basically "how much RAM have you got to hold all those file structures in"
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17:38<panagos>padski: like /proc for instance
17:38<padski>panagos, I would be disappointed to learn that it doesn't output it somewhere, but then again maybe you can get it from libc, and you need libc :-)
17:39<stroyan>padski: getconf _POSIX_OPEN_MAX should give the maximum open files per process
17:40<stroyan>padski: There is also a sysconf() call for the same values.
17:40<panagos>basically what i have in mind is more of something like an online kernel tuning system :D
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17:40<padski>I had some idea there is a per process limit and it is configurable at run-time
17:40<tcsetattr>getrlimit() and setrlimit() are for per-process limits
17:41<padski>panagos, I think you can tune max files, but uids and pids are gonna be a compile-time decision :-)
17:41<stroyan>bash will tell you about getrlimit values using "ulimit -a"
17:41<padski>there has been work on larger pids
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17:42<padski>iirc the clock still wraps at about 5 years :-)
17:42<padski>uptime clock
17:44<panagos>i had found a website once, that had a list of all these things regarding the kernel's limits
17:44<padski>(padski who wants random (guid) 128-bit pids so he never has to worry about which one is which again ;-)
17:44<tcsetattr>that sort of document goes out of date quickly
17:45<tcsetattr>you do have to type "kill somepid" occasionally.
17:45<stroyan>padski: sudo sysctl -a will tell you about many kernel tunables.
17:45<padski>tcsetattr, lol
17:45<padski>s/many/too many/ ;-)
17:45<tolecnal>hmmmm, anyone in here know how I can have mutt use another dictionary other than the system default?
17:45<padski>tcsetattr, killing processes by pid is fraught with error anyways
17:46<stroyan>padski: sudo sysctl -a | head 24 then ;-)
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17:46<padski>stroyan, rofl
17:46<padski>tolecnal, huh ?
17:47<panagos>padski, tcsetattr: well, i think sysctl is what i need for now :) thanks!
17:47<tcsetattr>the general feeling among kernel developers is that it should work well on a wide range of workloads without tuning. if the user has to tune things, he probably won't do a good job of it.
17:48<tolecnal>padski: the system default dictionary is British English, but from time to time I write emails in my native toungue (Norwegian), and thus have the need to spell check those. But mutt insists on using the system default dictonary, and I can't seem to find information on how to get mutt to use an alternate dictionary
17:48<padski>tcsetattr, I wouldn't under-estimate a user who has gotten to the point of tuning kernel variables ;-)
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17:49<panagos>tcsetattr: i don't want to do manual tuning, rather get a better understanding of the kernel :D
17:49<padski>tolecnal, sorry I read "dictionary" as "directory"
17:49<lupine_85>neither would I (<--- insult)
17:49<gabrix>let's change subject
17:50<panagos>padski: i'm too far from that, i fear ;)
17:50<gabrix>i have a d-link wireless card acx100 drivers
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17:50<gabrix>i configured it by m-a
17:51<gabrix>but i can put wireless extensions on any intreface
17:51<padski>tolnecal, possibly something along the lines of: set ispell="/usr/bin/ispell -x -d deutsch"
17:52<padski>tolecnal, except norwegian :-)
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17:52<padski>gabrix, I have an acx100
17:52<tolecnal>padski: hehe, of course :)
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17:53<padski>tolecnal, I'm glad it makes sense ;-)
17:53<gabrix>yeaserday i didn't know how i managed to bring uo wlan0
17:53<padski>gabrix, I share your pain
17:54<gabrix>than i installed over again hoping to configure wireless automatically
17:54<gabrix>but now i'm worst than before
17:54<padski>(I am not laughing)
17:54<padski>gabrix, is your acx100 embedded in your device ?
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17:54<panagos>how do i get the cpu's temperature?
17:55<padski>panagos, funny you should ask ...
17:55<gabrix>did u bring a wireless interface up ?
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17:55<xbc>Why can't i find vlc in testing?
17:55<gabrix>i installed it with module-assistant
17:55<padski>cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
17:55<padski>or something
17:55<amphi>acpi -t
17:56<padski>much better :-)
17:56<Xenguy>xbc: vlc is in testing
17:56<PetaWindows>xbc: yeah..
17:56<Xenguy>.oO(w00t! SCO finally dies!)
17:56<xbc>Xenguy, yes but aptitude doesn't show it :\
17:56<gabrix>it should be i don't know
17:57<amphi>Xenguy: it's just pining
17:57<gabrix>i hace acx100 source and firmwares
17:57<Xenguy>xbc: got all your repos enabled ?
17:57<Xenguy>amphi: hmm?
17:57<padski>gabrix, I have an htc universal, which has an acx100 built in. afaict this device is not supported by the acx100 team (which looks pretty inactive), and the acx100 is not getting upstream ...
17:57<xbc>Xenguy, yes
17:57<amphi>Xenguy: but today's chart is gratifying,
17:58<xbc>Xenguy, deb testing main contrib non-free
17:58<Xenguy>amphi: whatever, I will enjoy watching them finally crash and burn!
17:58<padski>gabrix, it works for a bit and then stops working and needs a reboot to sort out. you may have more luck (there is a big chunk of code in the handhelds repo that is not in the upstream CVS)
17:58<gabrix>i have a d-link and it looks like proper for my card ... anyway wlan0 doesn't show off
17:58<Xenguy>xbc: why not try another mirror - I'm not sure what could be wrong really
17:58<amphi>Xenguy: yeah, watching the stock price should be interesting on monday morning
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17:59<xbc>Xenguy, ok, i'll try that :)
17:59[~]piper is back.
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17:59<carlitox>soy de Argentina xD
17:59<gabrix>handhelds repo ???
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17:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:01<padski>gabrix, you may just need help with general wifi setup, which you can get here, but I would avoid this kind of undocumented teas instruments cr*p wherever possible, it is a world of pain (not knocking the superb RE done by the acx driver folk)
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18:03<panagos>how can i get the cpu's temperature?
18:03<stew>panagos: try acpi -V
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18:04<amphi>panagos: acpi -t
18:04<gabrix>yeah whatever
18:04<padski>gabrix, sorry, I'm not being very clear. my htc universal device with the acx100 is a handheld, and I get the kernels at (hence handhelds repo). they have a large chunk of code there that is not merged upstream.
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18:05<padski>stew, doesn't work on my ppc ;-P
18:05<Supaplex>!pal SCO
18:05[~]dpkg points at SCO and laughs
18:06<padski>mind you, neither does flash ...
18:07<padski>java ...
18:07<padski>quicktime ...
18:07<padski>wine ...
18:07<Supaplex>rtc ...
18:08<padski>I lied, never had a problem with the ibm java
18:08<padski>rtc ?
18:08<Supaplex>real time clock
18:08<padski>really technical chatter
18:09<padski>but why would the rtc on my ppc be less than A-OK ?
18:10<Supaplex>try running qemu :P
18:11<Supaplex>it's less than happy w/o rtc
18:11<padski>I keep meaning to spend more time with qemu
18:11<padski>what will break if I alias less='vi -R'
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18:12<tcsetattr>any command | less
18:12<tcsetattr>vi won't like a pipe on stdin.
18:12<ricky>Maybe you want 'vim -R -'?
18:12<tcsetattr>oh that's cute
18:13<ampex2>Ok, this is a fun one... I grew my RAID5 array and I believe my initrd image still has an mdadm.conf file with 4 devices instead of 6 (my root filesystem is on RAID5). Is there a way I can get to a prompt and create a working initrd image?
18:13<padski>ricky, but then how do you 'less foo'
18:13<ampex2>I can boot with rootdelay=10 and manually get the raid array to come up my editing /etc/mdadm.conf and running mdadm --assemble --scan, but I don't know how to get the system to continue botting after that
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18:14<Supaplex>padski: I think you mean "vi -R -"
18:14<ricky>Then it dies :)
18:14<tcsetattr>less () { vim -R ${@--} } or some such thing.
18:15<padski>yeah, I figured there would be a way. what is the asci for 'hand-waving' ?
18:15<Supaplex>oh yeah... what's ${@--} mean?
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18:15<tcsetattr>it means nothing at all, I thought I was being clever but it doesn't work.
18:16<tcsetattr>${var-foo} usually means substitute foo if $var is empty.
18:16<tcsetattr>so I was thinking $@ if there is any argument, otherwise -
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18:17<tcsetattr>it'd be much clearer to just use an if [ ...
18:17<padski>if nothing else, you /could/ write a wrapper. it's just a question of how little shell it will boil down to, and how well that will travel :-)
18:18<padski>anyone for golf ?
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18:24<xbc>it's me again, still without vlc on testing§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=vlc <- no testing here? What's this?
18:25<padski>xbc, click through into one of those ...
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18:26<padski>xbc, on the right hand side, click 'Developer Information (PTS)'
18:26<padski>xbc, on the right hand side at around about ' Problems
18:26<padski> * The package has not yet entered testing even though the 10-day delay is over. Check why .' click 'why'
18:27<xbc>padski, thanks a lot :)
18:27<padski>xbc, its a pleasure
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18:28<padski>xbc, go to
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18:30<padski>xbc, although I don't understand what it is saying in this case
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18:31<padski>94 day build queue. ouch!
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18:32<padski>(that's armeb not mips)
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18:34<xbc>padski, now i know at least that's not my fault :)
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18:35<padski>xbc, it is not uncommon to turn up in #debian asking why is package x not inn testing
18:35<padski>it is handy when you know where to look
18:36<chealer>Xenguy: vlc is not in testing
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18:38<padski>chealer, can you make any sense of why ?
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18:41<chealer>padski: since a few days there's at least #441766
18:41<chealer>(not necessarily the bug reported, but at least the report being at severity grave)
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18:49<agney>anyone in chicago ?
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18:51<padski>anyone is on holiday in peru.
18:51<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
18:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:51<pG|silver>i need help. I want to install nvidia-glx, but Debian tell me that i must insert the netinstall-cd (I don't have this CD yet)
18:52<agney>I just want to know what time is it now in chicago
18:52<Xenguy>chealer: vlc shows up here, but if you say so <shrug>
18:52<agney>sorry padski
18:52<bahamat>when I upgrade a system from sarge to etch and I finally install the kernel it wants to install lilo, I'd rather use grub, so can I just remove lilo and update grub?
18:52<chealer>pG|silver: how did you install?
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18:52<chealer>Xenguy: you may have it installed on a testing system, but it's not in testing [anymore]
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18:53<Xenguy>chealer: I see -- that sucks also BTW, I love vlc
18:53<chealer>bahamat: yes
18:53<pG|silver>chealer, with "aptitude install nvidia-glx" i need this for my 16:10 Display
18:53<bahamat>chealer: thanks
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18:54<chealer>pG|silver: I mean, from which media did you install Debian?
18:54<pG|silver>chealer, i use the Netinstall-CD from a friend
18:54<chealer>agney: which X session type do you use?
18:54<agney>chealer, gnome
18:55<chealer>pG|silver: remove it from your sources.list
18:56<pG|silver>chealer, ok thanks, i am a newbie on Debian ^^
18:56<chealer>agney: Wikipedia should tell you in which timezone it is
18:56<tcsetattr>here's a fun command: TZ=/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago date
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18:57<agney>tcsetattr, nice. thank you a lot :)
18:57<agney>chealer, thank you too :)
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19:02<guillaume>davi: I've setup compiz too now and until now it seem to work well
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19:06<amphi>guillaume: c-f is running nicely here on testing
19:08<guillaume>amphi: I was running beryl before but get some problem with electricsheep. I use compiz packages from lenny branch, there's a c-f package ?
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19:09<amphi>guillaume: there's an unofficial repo of sid packages, that work with testing from what I hear; I build from git
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19:10<amphi>guillaume: the repository of shame:
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19:12<guillaume>amphi: what's new with c-f ? Is it really interresting to install it. I had beryl and now compiz to get a better human-machine interface (alt+tab screen selcetion for app, wopen windows distribution for selecting, etc)
19:12<cirrus_>My "dialog" displays are corrupted - each line is shifted on the X axis, garbage characters, unreadable stuff, etc. Any idea how to fix this? Debian Etch.
19:13<amphi>guillaume: for me, it's a drop in replacement for openbox ;)
19:14<amphi>guillaume: scale and expo are handy, otherwise it's pretty much eyecandy IMHO
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19:14<amphi>guillaume: I find translucency actually useful for a couple of things, but it's not really significant
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19:16<guillaume>amphi: try all app in testing actually with compiz --replace, as I'm under amd64 arch with some chroot apps like flash player and wanna know if all is ok
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19:18<amphi>guillaume: everything I use works fine, pretty much
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19:18<amphi>guillaume: mplayer needs a patch for xv output with radeon/aiglx
19:20<cirrus_>Additional information on the "dialog" problem: Kernel is 2.6.18-4-686, application leading to garbled output is "/usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert" from the "ssl-cert" package
19:20<amphi>guillaume: same for intel AFAIK; works normally on nvidia
19:20<guillaume>amphi: I use nvidia 7950gtx card on a dell xps :) compiz is really fast. I use frequently mplayer and with compiz standard package it work without pb
19:21<amphi>guillaume: what is more surprising is how fast compiz is on my mobility radeon 7500 with 32mb ram
19:22<cirrus_>Looks like it's going through "debconf" too. Any help appreciated - thanks in advance.
19:22<PetaWindows>amphi: 32mb ram your pc??? :S
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19:23<amphi>PetaWindows: the video card
19:23<PetaWindows>oh ok..
19:24<amphi>guillaume: what version are/were you running?
19:24<serge>i believe debian sarge 5.10
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19:26<guillaume>amphi: compiz-core Version : 0.2.2-1
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19:27<amphi>guillaume: wow, that is of some antiquity
19:27<flami>wow sarge 5.10 thats like totally wrong :P
19:27<guillaume>amphi: that's the testing branch version :)
19:27<flami>isnt compiz fusion in unstable?
19:28<amphi>flami: yeah, I think so
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19:28<amphi>guillaume: I expect you'll find much has improved since then; a bunch of beryl plugins are there now, and more
19:28<guillaume>I'm not under unstable because I think I had ever enough work with testing updates... There's always something to fix
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19:29<amphi>guillaume: yeah, I'm on testing
19:29<flami>if youre so hawt for eyecandy id go for compiz fusion
19:29<amphi>guillaume: FWIW, the expo plugin looks like this here on my crappy old card:
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19:31<guillaume>amphi: nice :)
19:31<amphi>guillaume: it's handy, you can move windows between viewports in that view
19:32<amphi>that's compiz running as a standalone wm (evidently)
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19:37<patricio>I am running 2.6.18-4-686 and I was wondering if there was a program that I could use to access a db that was created with MS Access? Anyone?
19:38<patricio>good evening btw
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19:41<patricio>my biz mostly uses Winderz programs......I am wanting to access the database that was created with MS Access.....anyone got any advice on if it is possible on debian?
19:41<zamolxes>mdbtools-gmdb - JET / MS Access database (MDB) file viewer
19:42<zamolxes>apt-cache search microsoft access # this is how I found out
19:42<patricio>wonderful........thank you very much....
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19:43<chealer>patricio: BTW, 2.6.18-4-* are obsolete
19:43<patricio>chealer: I would assume that is a bad thing huh?
19:43<chealer>patricio: a little bit
19:43<patricio>chealer: what do I need to do?
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19:43<chealer>patricio: install linux-image-686
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19:44<patricio>chealer: yuck
19:45<patricio>chealer: not a simple task for me I am it difficult?....and could you advise?
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19:45<darius>evening folks
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19:47<chealer>patricio: do you know how to install a package?
19:48<chealer>patricio: Base can apparently do that.
19:48<patricio>chealer: a deb file....yes.....made me a lil hesitant when you said 'linux image'.......isn't that an upgrade?
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19:49<chealer>patricio: it's a new package, which will cause the installation of 2 other packages, including linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
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19:50<chealer>patricio: so it's more or less an upgrade. it's a newer version, but the older version is kept.
19:50<patricio>chealer: are ya saying 'apt-get install packagename'
19:51<chealer>patricio: if you want to use apt-get, yes
19:51<patricio>chealer: what would the name of that package be? lol
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19:52<mehul>patricio: linux-image-686 is the package name :)
19:53<patricio>mehul: ty
19:53<mehul>patricio: I would probably do it as "aptitude install linux-image-686"
19:53<patricio>mehul: thanks for the trying that now.....
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19:55<mehul>patricio: no probs. another tip ... you can do things like "aptitude search" and "aptitude show" to search for packages and get info on them ... pretty nice.
19:55<patricio>mehul: again, thank you......after I run the 'aptitude' should I reboot?
19:56<mehul>patricio: your kernel is not going to get run if you don't reboot, so yes you will need to reboot if you want the newly installed kernel to take effect.
19:57<patricio>mehul: will the change show up in the bootloader?
19:57<patricio>just wondering
19:57<mehul>patricio: yes you'll have selection for it in GRUB
19:57<patricio>mehul: ty so much.......I will be back shortly.....
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19:58<mehul>brb myself
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20:00<patricio>mehul: it says I am still running 2.6.18-4-686
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20:01<patricio>chealer: what did I miss?
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20:05<isuckatlinux>does anyone know how to troubleshoot device or resource busy?
20:06<patricio>mehul: wb......It is still telling me 2.6.18-4-686.......and there was no change in the grub menu
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20:07<patricio>mehul: what did I miss?
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20:08<ethan>Sorry I'm a bit of a newb, but how do I get Debian Unstable? I can't find any info on the subject.
20:09<mehul>patricio: do the following --> dpkg-query -l "linux-image-*" | grep -E '^ii' and what does it show ?
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20:10<kop>ethan: I'd look at the install page at
20:10<ethan>kop: okay, thanks I'll do that now.
20:11<moicano>What channel to help brazilian support network ??
20:11<patricio>mehul: it gives me three different listings.....want me to post them to pastebin?
20:11<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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20:11<kop>I'm looking at building a Mythtv box and want to know if the motherboard will run etch. Where would I look to see if the etch kernel supports the Intel P35 chipset?
20:11<mehul>patricio: go ahead paste it
20:12<kop>!tell moicano -about br
20:12<moicano><mehul> patricio: go ahead paste it
20:12<moicano>[22:11:58] <kop> !
20:12<moicano>!tell moicano -about br
20:12<kop>isuckatlinux: lsof can help
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20:14<mehul>patricio: that looks fine. can you post /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
20:14<patricio>mehul: sure
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20:15<chealer>patricio: I think your packages index is outdated. try using synaptic or running update someway.
20:16<ethan>kop, I couldn't find anything about Sid. All I found was relating to the stable release (etch?)
20:16<patricio>chealer: apt-get update
20:17<mehul>patricio: yes apt-get update or aptitude update
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20:18<chealer>ethan: if you're a "newb", you don't want Debian unstable.
20:19<ethan>chealer, well I'm up for the challenge. I don't mind getting my hands dirty.
20:19<patricio>I got it guys........let me reboot and find out
20:19<mehul>patricio: did you do a upgrade ?
20:20<mehul>patricio: as in "aptitude upgrade" ?
20:20<patricio>mehul: yep
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20:20<mehul>ok try it.
20:20<patricio>mehul: was that bad?
20:20<mehul>lol .. no.
20:20<mehul>your menu.lst looks good
20:20<chealer>ethan: it's not a matter of challenging. unstable is for developers.
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20:20<mehul>so I don't see why it would not list it.
20:20<isuckatlinux>question, my sound works, now if i try to send a sound to the /dev/dsp I get resource is busy
20:20<isuckatlinux> what can that be
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20:21<ethan>Sorry, firefox crashed
20:21<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: you use kde..?
20:21<chealer>isuckatlinux: some program is already using the sounds
20:21<isuckatlinux>i tried fuser -v
20:21<isuckatlinux>no program is using it
20:21<chealer>ethan: it's not a matter of challenging. unstable is for developers.
20:22<ethan>chealer, hmm, but I heard most Debian users use unstable?
20:22<PetaWindows>ethan: for example I
20:22<chealer>ethan: your source was wrong
20:22<kop>ethan: You might want testing. That's got new stuff and is now supported with security updates (IIRC.)
20:22<ethan>hmm, okay, I'll give testing a try
20:23<isuckatlinux>so, if a program is using the sound and I write fuser -v, shouldn't i get something?
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20:25<tcsetattr>what about fuser'ing the ALSA sound devices?
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20:27<isuckatlinux>i only tried /dev/dsp
20:27<isuckatlinux>yup that one shows firefox and mixer_apple
20:27<isuckatlinux>so my browser is messing up my sound?
20:27<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: probably any firefox plugin like flash is blocking the sound...
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20:27<isuckatlinux>thats f..ed up
20:28<chealer>isuckatlinux: $ fuser /dev/dsp; should show something if /dev/dsp is busy, yes
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20:28<kop>tcsetattr: You'll want to check out vis lsusb needing to be run as root.
20:29<isuckatlinux>/dev/snd/controC0 /pcmC0D0p and /timer are busy
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20:29<isuckatlinux>isn't there like a mixer to use my sounds with all the apps together like in windows?
20:30<patricio>mehul: ok it worked.....grub had changed and uname -r tells me 2.6.18-5-686......but now my wireless card does not work...
20:30<chealer>isuckatlinux: hum, I take that back
20:30<mehul>patricio: what kernel where you using before ? 2.4 ?
20:30<patricio>mehul: yes
20:30<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: really a good question... I've been wondering that since long time ago...
20:31<mehul>patricio: what wireless card ?
20:31<isuckatlinux>well, I don't want to go back to windows, but linux desktop is getting to challenging
20:31<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: for example I can't use any game like enemy territory and, at the same time, teamspeak or skype
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20:32<patricio>mehul: forgot the moment lookiing it up
20:32<isuckatlinux>well, i'm not even using firefox for any sounds now
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20:33<isuckatlinux>so basically the f program locked my audio
20:33<isuckatlinux>i just dont get it, dont this devices work with irq?
20:34<kop>Am I going to have a problem using a mobo with a Intel P35 chipset? It only came out last May, and I've no clue whether the kernel cares about that sort of thing.
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20:34<tcsetattr>most sound chips don't support multiple simultaneous streams, so they have to be mixed in software. and the kernel doesn't do it, so it has to be done in userspace. there are many competing sound servers, most of which suck
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20:34<isuckatlinux>thats awesome!
20:35<patricio>mehul: Radeon Mobility
20:35<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: this error could be because some programs are trying to use OSS and the other ones are trying to use ALSA
20:35<kop>Ringo's law: 90% of everything is crap.
20:35<amphi>PetaWindows: what radeon? what does lspci say?
20:36<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: "the clash of sound systems" lol
20:36<amphi>kop: that's Sturgeon's Law I believe
20:36<mehul>patricio: did you have a driver that you built for it in 2.4 ?
20:36<PetaWindows>amphi: ????
20:36<isuckatlinux>yeah that could be, i gonna have to became a damn hardware and driver writer to keep up with this bs
20:36<amphi>PetaWindows: ¿¿¿¿
20:37<amphi>PetaWindows: oh, sorry, misfire
20:37<patricio>mehul: it has been sometime ago......not really sure....I may have
20:37<PetaWindows>amphi: np ;)
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20:37<mehul>patricio: then you'll have to do the same for 2.6 kernel
20:38<isuckatlinux>so u guys are saying that there is nothing to do about the sound problem
20:38<patricio>mehul: I have found it.......
20:38<isuckatlinux>u use, close and then use something else
20:38<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: I try to use applications that uses ALSA as their sound system
20:39<tcsetattr>you gotta pick a sound system and make sure all your programs are respecting your choice.
20:39<isuckatlinux>how do i do that
20:39<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: for exemple, in VLC, xmms and amarok, you can choose the sound system you want to use
20:40<isuckatlinux>how do i know what system each soft is using
20:40<PetaWindows>nice question...idunnow :(
20:40<isuckatlinux>in this case firefox chose oos
20:40<PetaWindows>are you sure??..
20:40<isuckatlinux>i guess, cause i test alsa and doesnt work
20:41<PetaWindows>my firefox always use alsa..
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20:41<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: there is a module called alsa-oss...
20:41<isuckatlinux>but if firefox is using alsa, should alsa in works when i test it from the system sound preferences?
20:42<kop>Isn't there some sound system that's "the coming thing", like maybe alisa? Or are there two? (gstreamer?) What choice should I start with? (I've avoided sound but will have to start sooner or later.)
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20:42<mehul>kop: you're talking about playaudio I think.
20:43<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: try to play a sound file with xmms, choosing in preferences ALSA as your sound system
20:43<mehul>patricio: you have the driver for it ?
20:43<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: obviously with firefox opened..
20:43<tcsetattr>the original Linux sound driver author ran off and started doing it non-free a long time ago, and we're still suffering. the non-free branch has become free, but it took too long and now we're stuck with ALSA.
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20:44<PetaWindows>tcsetattr: :O
20:44<patricio>mehul: yes I do.....I am installing now to see if I can get moment please and I will let you know how it goes
20:44<mehul>patricio: all right.
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20:44<tcsetattr>and that's why sound setup is a pain in the ass.
20:45<isuckatlinux>k, getting a cd hang in there
20:45<PetaWindows>tcsetattr: otherwise I think that the first problem with "the clash of sound system" is caused by the hardware developers...
20:45<mehul>tcsetattr: whats wrong with ALSA ? and what is this non-free sound system that is now free ?
20:46<tcsetattr>OSS/4Front was the non-free branch.
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20:46<patricio>gotta reboot....brb
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20:47<mehul>OSS used to be non-free ?
20:47<isuckatlinux>hear nothing
20:48<tcsetattr>OSS was free originally. it split. the OSS that's included in the kernel developed separately from the 4Front version.
20:48<tcsetattr>now that the 4Front version is GPL'ed, it would be possible to merge it into the kernel and throw ALSA in the garbage. but some people actually think ALSA doesn't suck, so that's not happening.
20:49<isuckatlinux>cd player, same thing
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20:52<PetaWindows>which is the difference between alsa-oss and oss-compat ???? :S both are on debian repositories
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20:53<isuckatlinux>i think alsa sucks
20:53<tcsetattr>read the package descriptions
20:53<isuckatlinux>i dont know what it is but is messing my stuff up
20:54<isuckatlinux>so maybe one of those packet will fix my mess up
20:54<isuckatlinux>and i still havent event started asking aboutmy webcam
20:56<PetaWindows>tcsetattr: both have the same objectives...
20:57<PetaWindows>tcsetattr: ohps... probably this program enable the alsa-oss module...?
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20:58<tcsetattr>there's kernel emulation and there's library emulation.
20:58<tcsetattr>I don't think there was anything unclear about either one of those package descriptions
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20:59<isuckatlinux>well...... i tried to play the sound with alsa, i starts but cant hear a sound, i switched to oos and get error
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21:00<isuckatlinux>i guess i have to close firefox at the end
21:00<kop>I guess I'm just going to have to buy this mobo and then come back here and force y'all to make it work. ;-)
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21:01<isuckatlinux>sounds like a good idea
21:01<PetaWindows>kop: :D
21:01<PetaWindows>kop: what is a "mobo"
21:01<PetaWindows>oh ok
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21:02<isuckatlinux>lol u knew that
21:02<PetaWindows>tcsetattr: there is only one unclear thing, my english ^^ it sux
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21:02<isuckatlinux>mobo is slang bro
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21:03<kop>PetaWindows: No problem, we'll just raise our voice then.
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21:04<PetaWindows>isuckatlinux: yes.. i know
21:04<isuckatlinux>i'll go ahead and try that packet
21:04<PetaWindows>kop: ^^
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21:05<patricio>mehul: having problems now with ndiswrapper
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21:06<isuckatlinux>why, ndiswrapper is straigh forward, works or not
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21:07<patricio>its not working
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21:10<PetaWindows>good bye ppl!
21:10<Tranqgreen>I'm having an issue mounting my cd and dvd burners in debian. I have read about editing the fstab and havent had any luck. every time I try to mount it tells me I must specify a filetype
21:10<Tranqgreen>pastebin of fstab
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21:11<isuckatlinux>patricio what did u do
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21:12<isuckatlinux>did u follow all the steps the copy the sys and inf files to linux and load the module with ndiswrapper then reboot?
21:12<isuckatlinux>what do u see with ndiswrapper -l
21:12<patricio>command not found
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21:13<isuckatlinux>so u couldnt install ndiswrapper then
21:14<isuckatlinux>what was the problem
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21:15<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
21:16<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:16<Tranqgreen>got it
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21:16<Guest302>qualkuno eitaliano?
21:16<patricio>mehul: here is the errors
21:16<isuckatlinux>e uno!
21:17<Guest302>no.. nessuno.. ke pacco....
21:17<patricio>isuckatlinux: here is the errors
21:17<isuckatlinux>sono seduto
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21:17<Tranqgreen>anyone have any ideas ?
21:17<isuckatlinux>dpkg jode con cojones
21:18<kop>Tranqgreen: What device are you trying to mount?
21:19<isuckatlinux>Patricio, u need to install the c standard library
21:19<tcsetattr>and what kind of disc? you can't mount an audio CD, for example. you just play it with a player.
21:19<Tranqgreen>kpo: the cdrom and dvdburner
21:19<isuckatlinux>anyone remember the name of that lib?
21:19<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: really maybe that is my problem one sec
21:19<tcsetattr>apt-get install build-essential to get essential stuff for building.
21:20<isuckatlinux>there u go
21:20<isuckatlinux>do that Patricio
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21:20<isuckatlinux>how long using debian tcsetattr
21:20<patricio>has unmet dependecies....
21:21<mehul>patricio: not sure about wireless stuff. I'm barely getting mine worked up. I use wpa_supplicant and madwifi .. no experience with ndiswrapper sorry.
21:21<isuckatlinux>his problem is compiling ndiswrapper
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21:21<isuckatlinux>not ndiswrapper
21:21<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: where do I look for the files off of the audio cd
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21:22<patricio>mehul: thats ok....thank you for your assistance...
21:22<isuckatlinux>apt-get -f tdidt work?>
21:23<mehul>all this talk about audio and sound brings a question to mind. What do most people use for a mp3 player ? xmms ? rhythmbox ? bmpx ? audacious ? madman ? xmms2 ? too many choices !!
21:23<isuckatlinux>xmms i gues
21:24<kop>Tranqgreen: You can't get files off an audio cd (directly) because it's not got a filesystem. You need to use something to rip the cd, like cdparanoia.
21:24<isuckatlinux>how we doing Patricio
21:24<patricio>not good
21:25<isuckatlinux>why not
21:25<Tranqgreen>kop: I tried that with grip but it wont even find the disk
21:25<kop>Tranqgreen: You told it /dev/hdb?
21:25<mehul>patricio: you'll need libc6-dev based on what I saw in the paste you did.
21:25<patricio>was trying synaptic.....and cant get that to do it wither
21:25<kop>Tranqgreen: (Assuming your fstab has the right device.)
21:26<patricio>mehul: that is what I am searching for
21:26<isuckatlinux>apt-get install libc6-dev
21:26<kop>isuckatlinux: (aptitude is preferred over apt-get)
21:26<isuckatlinux>never use it man, sorry
21:26<Tranqgreen>kop: that is part of my problem I dont know which is which when it comes to hdb and hdc
21:27<mehul>patricio: do --> aptitude install build-essential
21:27<kop>isuckatlinux: Like synaptic, it will automatically un-install unused packages that were automatically installed. Keeps the system cruft-free.
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21:27<kop>Tranqgreen: Try lspci, it should say.
21:27<mehul>patricio: build-essential will install libc6-dev and other packages you need to do compilation.
21:27<isuckatlinux>thats cool, i need to start using it
21:28<kop>Tranqgreen: Oops. guess not.
21:28<patricio>mehul: it is resolving dependecies..........never seen that before though
21:28<Tranqgreen>kop: that has my host bridge and usb controller as well as all the IRQ stuf
21:29<kop>Tranqgreen: Right. Sorry. Dig around in /proc/ide. "cat model" should tell you about the different devices.
21:29<mehul>patricio: its a good thing :)
21:29<tcsetattr>and if you still can't tell, run "eject /dev/hdb". the one that pops out its tray is hdb!
21:29<patricio>mehul: no solution found in alloted harder?? 'is what it asked me'....
21:30<kop>Tranqgreen: I used to rely on dmesg, but it's gotten less verbose. (Probably a good thing.) But you still might look there for clues.
21:30<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: that worked like a charm DVD = B
21:30<isuckatlinux>did u try using aptitude to install your ndiswrapper?
21:30<isuckatlinux>its an older version but it works pretty good
21:31<isuckatlinux>and u dont need to compile
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21:31<Tranqgreen>kop: the eject trick worked dvdburner is hdb and cdrom is hda
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21:31<mehul>patricio: do --> aptitude search ndiswrap and see what you get :)
21:32<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: will you look at my fstab and make sure I havent screwec it to badly
21:32<patricio>mehul: 6 listings
21:32<isuckatlinux>there is a slight change that the old ndiswrapper dont support ur hardware but it;s worth to try it
21:33<mehul>patricio: and if you install ndiswrapper-source it will install the things it needs to build it and you should be set with that :)
21:33<Tranqgreen>kop: eject trick plus a path reconfigure on grip for source worked out great
21:33<isuckatlinux>there u go
21:34<patricio>mehul: that is installed
21:34<mehul>patricio: apt-cache policy build-essential
21:35<mehul>patricio: whta does that say for "Installed:" in it ?
21:35<patricio>mehul: none
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21:36<tcsetattr>why specify "rw" for a cdrom device? they're inherently readonly
21:36<mehul>patricio: build-essential depends on the following: libc6-dev, gcc, g++, make and dpkg-dev. do you have all those packages installed already ?
21:36<tcsetattr>there's 3 different cdrom mount points, I don't see the reason for that.
21:36<isuckatlinux>do u really need to installl dpkg-dev?
21:36<patricio>mehul: no I do not.....cannot install one without the other
21:38<mehul>isuckatlinux: build-essential depends on it, so aptitude will install it for you.
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21:39<mehul>patricio: maybe its the hour of the day but I'm missing something. what do you need in order to intall it ?
21:39<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: the /dev/cdrom line needs to be removed entirely, and the commented /dev/hda was so that if i messed something up I knew what it was prior to the mess up
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21:40<patricio>mehul: I am updating the repositories and doin an is updating now......will let you know what it does shortly
21:40<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: hda = cdrw and hdb = dvdrw
21:42<tcsetattr>if you have trouble with mounting via fstab, you should try doing a mount without fstab. specify all the parameters on the mount command line, as in mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /cdrom
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21:42<patricio>mehul: still cannot install build-essential....tells me unmet dependecies still yet
21:43<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: ok, but I think my biggest problem was the fact that A. I didnt know which drive was which label and B. I didnt know you could not mount an audio CD
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21:44<mehul>patricio: what is saying is the unmet dependency ?
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21:45<patricio>mehul: g++ and libc6-dev
21:45<mehul>patricio: aptitude install libc6-dev
21:45<mehul>patricio: see what that does for you.
21:46<Tranqgreen>tcsetattr: thanks for your help
21:46<Tranqgreen>kop: thank you also for your help
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21:46<patricio>mehul: it wants me to downgrade????
21:46<mehul>patricio: what version of debian do you have ?
21:47<patricio>mehul: 2.6.18-5-686
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21:47<mehul>patricio: that is the kernel version. I'm asking about debian. cat /etc/debian_version
21:48<patricio>mehul: lenny/sid
21:48<mehul>oh !
21:49<mehul>I'm behind you then as I'm on etch. I don't know what the package versions/dependencies are at that point.
21:49<patricio>my luck
21:49<mehul>patricio: aptitude dist-upgrade
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21:51<Tranqgreen>peace and thanks again
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21:54<patricio>I got it guys..........I think....let me reboot
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22:17<isuckatlinux>what the equivalent of apt-policy in aptitude
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22:19<isuckatlinux>so, u got it?
22:19<patricio>mehul: ok.....all kinds of stuff here now......ran a 'uname -r' and now it says '2.6.21-2-686'......and 'no' my wireless is not working....nothing is
22:19<mehul>isuckatlinux: aptitude show <package> and look at the "state:" line
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22:19<isuckatlinux>but doesnt show the sources
22:20<patricio>mehul: where is the bootlogd file at?
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22:21<isuckatlinux>it doesnt show the priority either
22:21<mehul>patricio: not sure.
22:22<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
22:23<patricio>look at this guys,.........
22:24<mehul>patricio: you need to install the headers for 2.6.21. you've only got the ones for 2.6.18
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22:28<mehul>patricio: no need to !
22:30<kop>isuckatlinux: I think I've stuck with "apt-cache policy", but I forget just what it shows.
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22:34<isuckatlinux>thats cool, i checked both
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22:35<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
22:35<patricio>these are my errors......
22:35<patricio>getting module errors
22:36<patricio>wont load
22:39<patricio>here is the buildlog file...........
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22:40<mehul>patricio: no clue on it at this stage.
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22:40<mehul>patricio: this is what happens when you use sid :)
22:41<patricio>mehul: is it possible for me to change that?
22:41<tcsetattr>sid kernels are using NO_HZ? cool
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22:42<dpkg>hmm... dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>)
22:42<patricio>tcsetattr: cool huh?
22:43<patricio>what does it mean when it says ' no pre-built modules'?
22:43<patricio>I get that when I run 'dldrconfig'
22:44<mehul>why is NO_HZ cool ?
22:45<tcsetattr>I dunno, just seems cool.
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22:48<patricio>trying again.......brb
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22:55<patricio> wireless now comes up.....but does not get an IP from the DHCP server/router....says 'no working leases in databse....sleeping???'
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23:03<kop>patricio: You could look at logs in /var/log/....
23:03<kop>patricio: I'd try to look at the dhcp server and see what it's up to.
23:03<patricio>kop: my router?
23:04<kop>patricio: Yes. See if it has a record of talking to your linux box.
23:04<kop>patricio: There's probably also a way to increase the verbosity of the dhcp client's messages.
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23:05<patricio>kop: I login to the router....and the IP addy I have on eth1 is not with the DHCP clients table.....???
23:06<kop>patricio: Perhaps you manually assigned the IP?
23:06<patricio>kop: no it is assigned by dhcp
23:08<kop>patricio: Before we worry about dhcp on the wireless, it's probably a good idea to check that the wireless is configured to pick up it's address with dhcp. That'd be in /etc/network/interfaces.
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23:08<patricio>kop: and it is
23:09<kop>patricio: Just to see if the wireless is working it would not be a bad idea to manually assign the interface an IP and then see if you can ping the router.
23:09<kop>patricio: I've gotta go. Sorry.
23:09<patricio>kop: thanx
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23:10[~]patricio wonders if he can go back to his original problem.......I am wanting to access machines that are running windows on my network.....and retrieve files from shared do I do this?
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23:19<chaoticmass>Help :\ Grub gives error 18 after hard drive configuration changed. Currently booted up from a debian netinst CD, switched to a VC, mounted the drive and chroot'ed into it. What do I do now to fix grub? (stupid grub..grr)
23:20<klys>how is this possible: can ping but not vice-versa
23:20<klys>both are running debian and can ping
23:20<sleedux>chaoticmass update grub
23:20<chaoticmass>klys : is purposfully not responding to ping?
23:20<chaoticmass>sleedux : is that a command? "update grub" ?
23:21<klys>kernel problem maybe
23:21<sleedux>wait i must look
23:21<sleedux>i hope i dont talk shit ^^
23:21<Pryon>patricio: apt-get install xsmbrowser
23:21<Pryon>or smbclient
23:22<Pryon>or a number of other tools
23:22<patricio>Pryon: thank you
23:23<sleedux>mh chaoticmass or try to install grub new
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23:24<chaoticmass>Annoys me how fragile Grub is. . . Working on grub-install /dev/hda or similar
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23:26<sleedux>chihchun, fdisk -l
23:26<sleedux>sorry for highlight =)
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23:30<patricio>nite all and thanx
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