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---Logopened Sat Sep 15 00:00:08 2007
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00:06<Corey>sup hoe
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00:08<simonrvn>hoes are for plowing
00:09<simonrvn>(hoeing, to be precise)
00:09<simonrvn>*rolls eyes*
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00:17<Snapser>What's a good bandwidth metre?
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00:20<Supaplex>nono, plastic!
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00:48<Supaplex>something like that
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01:02<clyice>Hi there, could someone tell me if there is a 2.6.18 kernel with the 4KSTACK option disabled, and in that case which one?
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01:20<alaya>clyice: no idea, but making your own kernel using the debian sources is not too difficult
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01:55<cybe>Hello everyone. I just installed Debian with Desktop installation on my laptop, and I was using Ubuntu berfore. Everything works fine now, but how do I get the address bar in Nautilus like I had in Ubuntu?
01:56<olegb>cybe: use the "view" menu ?
01:56<cybe>lol -.- Yeah I found it
01:56<cybe>In Preferences
01:56<olegb>hm, i am useing a translation so that might not be the correct term
01:57<cybe>View is available here now too, so it was correct :) thanks :D
01:58<cybe>Now I just need to find out how to see the userlist in XChat like I'm used to
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02:13<SorenStoutner>cybe: Congratulations on your move to Debian.
02:13<SorenStoutner>It's been my preference for several years.
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02:17<cybe>Thanks :)
02:18[~]Supaplex 's to
02:18<cybe>I moved from Ubuntu because it had so many preinstalled things I didn't need. But it was a good way for me to start using Linux :)
02:19<Supaplex>redhat had RPM dependency hell, esp between upgrades. I gave up around 7.0. yay debian. <3
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02:20[~]dpkg hugs supaplex
02:20<Supaplex>the only pkg system that <3's you back ;)
02:21<dli>Supaplex, I wonder whether RH finally fixed up2date?
02:21<Supaplex>I have no desire to find out.
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02:33<SorenStoutner>Debian has the smothest update process I've seen yet.
02:34<SorenStoutner>But I do agree that Ubuntu is probably the best way for someone to get started on Linux, and a good solution for simple business workstations.
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02:36<Supaplex>they're awfully big training wheels though
02:36<SorenStoutner>Snapser: You asked earlier about a bandwidth meter.
02:37<SorenStoutner>Are you trying to test your bandwidth or host your own bandwidth meter?
02:37<SorenStoutner>For testing I like
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02:41<Snapser>SorenStoutner, I was wanting to track my bandwidth usage
02:41<Snapser>for statistics
02:41<SorenStoutner>Do you use KDE?
02:42<SorenStoutner>If you do there is a nice bandwidth meter integrated into Knemo.
02:42<cybe>When I try to apt-get some applications, apt asks me to insert my netinst CD? How can I stop it from doing that and instead get it online?
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02:42<SorenStoutner>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line for the CD.
02:43<cybe>Okay, thanks again ^^
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02:44<SorenStoutner>Snapser: After you install the package you can control it from Control Center, Internet and Network, Netowork Monitor.
02:44<SorenStoutner>Activate the statistics.
02:45<SorenStoutner>You can check the totals by left clicking on the icon in the system tray.
02:45<SorenStoutner>You can look at the details by right clicking and opening the statistics.
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02:47<Snapser>I use gnome~
02:48<cybe>You should be able to run KDE applications in Gnome too, so it may be worth a try?
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02:50<SorenStoutner>There is a discussion about running it in Gnome.
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02:51<SorenStoutner>Also look at
02:51<SorenStoutner>Or you could try apt-get install kde knemo.
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02:51<SorenStoutner>Test it out; you might like it. :)
02:52<Snapser>I have already tried KTrafficAnalyzer
02:52<Snapser>It can only monitor one network interface at a time
02:53<SorenStoutner>Knemo doesn't suffer from that problem. However, the bandwidth reports are separate. I don't know of a way to produce a total report that adds them together.
02:54<Snapser>separated by day?
02:54<SorenStoutner>Well, it has a total for the interface, as well as detailed breakdowns.
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02:55<SorenStoutner>But you have to look at each interface separately.
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02:55<SorenStoutner>So you can't say, what's the total for eth0, eth1, eth2.
02:55<SorenStoutner>You have to add them yourself.
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02:55<Snapser>I wonder where the databases are stored
02:56<SorenStoutner>Althought I'm sure it wouldn't take much coding to teach the program to do it. It has all the data.
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02:56<SorenStoutner>The cool things is I can pull up a detailed report that shows all the data by day for as long as I've had knemo installed.
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02:59<SorenStoutner>The data is stored in ~/.kde/share/apps/knemo/statistics_eth0
02:59<SorenStoutner>It's a straight text file.
02:59<Snapser>that sounds easy to manipulate
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03:00<Snapser>web-based statistics ftw
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03:00<SorenStoutner>Each interface gets it's own file.
03:01<SorenStoutner>You can always try things like awstats for web server traffic, but I've discovered it's not that accurate.
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03:01<SorenStoutner>For example, if someone starts downloading a 200 MB file and quites 1 MB in, awstats often records it as 200 MB of traffic.
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03:03<Snapser>knemo is running perfect in Gnome
03:03<Snapser>(I don't have KDE installed)
03:03<SorenStoutner>Gotta love open source.
03:03<SorenStoutner>Well, I'm off to bed.
03:03<Snapser>thanks for help~
03:03<SorenStoutner>Not a problem.
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03:22<Requiem>Anybody know the install size of debian (KDE or xfce)?
03:23<Requiem>And is there a minimal install for graphical mode?
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03:28<davi>amphi, What do you use with compiz KDE or Gnome ?
03:28<davi> I am using Debian etch with some packages upgraded to unstable; compiz, etc.
03:29<dli>Requiem, I remember the minimum size is like 300MB in the / partition
03:30<Requiem>hrm, would work
03:30<Requiem>gah, except Asus is raising the price of the thing like mad
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03:31<Requiem>might as well grab a notebook on the cheap for 500 and get a real hard drive
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03:43<cybe>For security reasons I disabled the root account with "sudo passwd -l root" or something like that, but now I can't update the system because the updater tries to run as root? Can't I make it use sudo?
03:45<tcsetattr>to fully escape ubuntu, you must cleanse your mind of the notion that sudo is supposed to be used for all administrative tasks. That is not what sudo is for! sudo is for giving limited privilegs to certain people, and for creating setuid-like scripts.
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03:46<Supaplex>for security reasons I renamed the root account once. I undid that after discovering it breaks more than I wanted....
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03:47<cybe>Okay... So what you are saying is that I should reenable the root account? Just thought that is bad for security?
03:48<tcsetattr>that's ubunut stupidity. (ubunut was a typo but I decided to keep it. Ubunut. Ubunuttery.)
03:48<Supaplex>you can keep the broken pieces
03:48<Supaplex>or, fix it.
03:49<tcsetattr>you're not supposed to use root for things that don't need it. but there is nothing wrong with having a functional root password, which you use with su.
03:50<cybe>I see. Should I also remove my user from the sudoers file and use su everytime I need to make an administrative task?
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03:51<Requiem>I've always used su for everything
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03:51<tcsetattr>some people are hooked on sudo as a user interface. I think it's a bad habit. su has been used by unix admins for decades.
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03:51<tcsetattr>instead of "sudo this" and "sudo that" you just start a session with su, and run this and that... then exit the root shell
03:51<Requiem>Only real security risk to su is leaving the machine unattended
03:52<Requiem>and if you do that, well, you're possibly screwed anyway
03:52<cybe>Okay, I'll just have to change my habbits then :)
03:52<Supaplex>like strong passwords, and change them every 3000 miles
03:53<Requiem>yes, yes, change the passwords <_<
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03:54<Supaplex>and then change politicians. old passwords and politicians are like diapers. the all need to be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.
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03:56<bartm>shouldn't this always produce the same md5sum ? bzcat file.tar.bz2 | gzip -9 - | md5sum
03:57<Supaplex>man gzip
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03:57<tcsetattr>gzip puts a timestamp in there
03:57<cybe>But I think the use of sudo in Ubuntu is good for new users. They won't have to switch to superuser in another shell, and only have to remember 1 password
03:58<Supaplex>even the gzip payload varies between identical invocations of identical input.
03:58<tcsetattr>it just means their regular password is as good as a root password to anyone who steals it.
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03:58<tcsetattr>having a separate password for administrative tasks, which you use less often, and NEVER inptu into less-well-tested programs, is a benefit
03:58<cybe>Ahh okay, that's right... Didn't think about that
03:58<Supaplex>tcsetattr: like $non-free-os *shudder*
03:58<witte>tcsetattr: for those people it will be the same password anyhow
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03:59<bartm>Supaplex: I can't find that documented in "man gzip" when I look for "time", any suggestions where to look?
03:59<Supaplex>study > search
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04:02<tcsetattr>when you do "file foo.gz", it tells you the modification time of the file inside.
04:02<Supaplex>access and modification times.
04:02<Supaplex>^^^ quoted from man gzip
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04:03<tcsetattr>I think you quoted the wrong part. that's just about the utime() on the .gz file
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04:05<tcsetattr>the access time of the original isn't stored inside the data stream like the mtime is.
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04:05<Xcalo>could someone help me with a font problem?
04:05<Lobezno>hola q tal
04:05<Supaplex>gzip preserves the mode, ownership and timestamps of files
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04:06<Supaplex>besides, I've seen the filesize vary slightly when running it multiple times on the same input file
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04:07<tcsetattr>supaplex, the question was about comparing a data stream that was piped into gzip. the part you are quoting does not apply to that case.
04:07<tcsetattr>you are confusing the stuff that is "preserved" (=copied) from the input file's inode to the create .gz file's inode ... with the stuff that is stored inside the data stream.
04:07<Requiem> I need to call gateway just to bitch I can't get this thing without windows
04:09<cybe>Requiem: Just don't agree to the Windows agreement, and make them give you back the money for Windows ^^
04:09<bartm>tcsetattr: so the timestamp displayed by "file foo.tar.gz" is stored inside foo.tar.gz so part of the md5sum calculation?
04:09<Supaplex>ok, nevermind
04:09<Requiem>I should try that
04:09<cybe>Someone did that here in Europe and got the money refunded
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04:09<tcsetattr>yes, it will be considered by md5sum because it's part of the file contents.
04:09<Requiem>cause really, for a 400 dollar notebook, that thing would be really sweet
04:10<dli>cybe, really?
04:10<bartm>cybe: I've heard that it's way too difficult to get a refund
04:10<dli>cybe, I mean the refund for windows
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04:11<Requiem>it's unlikely really, they were probably only able to get a refund in europe cause M$ can't use the same BS OEM contracts they do in the US
04:11<bartm>tcsetattr, Supaplex: ok thanks
04:11<Xcalo>could someone help me a bit with a font problem? using kde with kdm on xorg with latest testing dist and all text is way too large
04:11<Requiem>I can fix that
04:12<Supaplex>Xcalo: stay atleast 2 meters back from the screen. ;)
04:12<bartm>Xcalo: no need to ask for help, just say the problem
04:12<Xcalo>haha, very funny
04:12<Supaplex>hehe jk :)
04:12<Xcalo>well, anyone have a solution?
04:12[~]Supaplex decides to idle in sleep()
04:13<tcsetattr>RFC1952 describes the gzip format. it says "If the compressed data did not come from a file, MTIME is set to the time at which compression started."
04:13<Requiem>Xcalo: Yes
04:13[~]bartm SIGHUPs Supaplex :)
04:13<Xcalo>yay, lets hear it
04:13<Requiem>Xcalo: get into control center, go to Appearance and themes, fonts, and change the DPI to 96
04:13<bartm>tcsetattr: thanks for the thorough answer, yes that was what I needed to know
04:14<Requiem>if it's still too big, disable the DPI altogether
04:14<bartm>Xcalo: I guess that you'll need to be more specific in the problem description before someone can help you
04:15<Xcalo>i cant really do anything, whenever i press on meny button, super big text is covering the whole screen, so i cant do anything inside kde
04:15<Requiem>how big are we talking?
04:15<Xcalo>maybe 10 letters takes the whole screen
04:16<Xcalo>width that is
04:16<Xcalo>i can get 5 menu rows on the screen
04:16<cybe>I only heard about that specific case - the guy bought a computer with an OEM license. When he started the computer it tried to install Windows, and he just didn't agree to the agreement. As far as I remember it went to court and he won
04:16<cybe>And since one person have won in court, they wouldn't take it that fair again
04:17<Xcalo>the buttons and all are normal size, so its not a resolution problem
04:17<Xcalo>its just the text
04:17<witte>Xcalo: go to console and move ~/.kde to ~/.kde_old
04:17<witte>Xcalo: afterwards, just log in again, and you will be able to configure kde anew
04:17<bartm>cybe: I can't go to court for the value of the refund
04:19<dli>any idea, why kde would display a big "Volume" window/icon on top, hiding the desktop and user windows, couldn't close or move it
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04:19<cybe>No, I understand. But if you send them an e-mail about the other case (I will try to find some information about it for you), then I'm pretty sure they give you the refund without too much trouble
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04:20<Requiem>european courts are not the american ones
04:20<Requiem>I'd have to go to trial and set a new precedent
04:20<Requiem>I could probably really tear up the clauses I find unnaceptable in the Vista liscences though
04:20<bartm>cybe: I live in .be and I expect the answer to be "contact your local hardware vendor" and the local hardware vendor won't be interested to help
04:20<Requiem>might be worth doing just for fun
04:21<cybe>Haha yeah Requiem :p if you have the money it would sure be funny ;)
04:21<bartm>cybe: thanks for the link, I intend to read it thoroughly and attempt a refund as long as it doesn't cost me money for lawyers :)
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04:22<cybe>No problem bartm :) I just regret I didn't know about the posibillity when I got an OEM version of Windows XP with my laptop
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04:23<Xcalo>witte: nope that didnt help, still too big text, in the login screen too
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04:24<dli>Xcalo, do you get correct video driver? for correct resolution?
04:24<sheldonh>i'm looking for rants or raves about a backup system called dar
04:24<witte>Xcalo: strange
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04:24<witte>Xcalo: do you use kdm, gdm, wdm or xdm?.
04:24<Xcalo>the W in welcome message in the login screen is 6cm wide (real measures)
04:25<Xcalo>witte: kdm
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04:25<Xcalo>i installed the system this morning
04:25<dli>Xcalo, what video card?
04:25<Xcalo>first the stable, then upgraded to testing (2.6.21-2)
04:26<Xcalo>dli: intel gma 950, i810 driver
04:26<Xcalo>using a laptop
04:26<Xcalo>hp compaq nx7300 that is
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04:26<Xcalo>the resolution is 1280x800 and that shows up ok
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04:31<Moe_>I have been asked by the boss to setup a server. He wants to go CentOS 4, I want to go debian. He likes CentOS cause its locked down out of the box after install and cause of the security funtions that are installed by default and its an enterprise linux. What arguments can I put forward to go with debian?
04:31<witte>Xcalo: and you do not have anything special (japaneese, chineese whatever) kind of fonts
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04:32<witte>Xcalo: ok, that is not that special
04:33<Requiem>Moe_: You understand Debian better (I'm guessing here), Debian stable is also scary well tested, and gets regular security updates
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04:34<Requiem>The biggest one to me is going to be that with Debian, you know what to do though
04:34<Moe_>yeah i know how to use debian. I have setup internal web servers using. But this box will be a "public" webserver and mailserver for the domains that we host. These are currently hosted over seas. We want to get our own box going and transfer them back to australia.
04:36<Moe_>I have never really had to harden debian for this type of thing before
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04:37<ifvoid>Moe_: in the end, it shouldn't matter at all which distribution you use
04:37<ifvoid>as long as they have decent security support
04:37<Moe_>we will be installing cpanel on the machine and configureing the domains and email accounts from there so there is not much to set up on the box
04:38<ifvoid>so there really is no real advantage of the one over the other, apart from sysadmin preferences
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04:39<ifvoid>and apart from available support, of course
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04:41<davi>What key is the compiz Super key ?
04:42<ifvoid>the windows key, I think
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04:44<davi>ifvoid, I suppose both the left and the right windows key must work
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04:46<hotchip>Hello. Does anyone know where Tor is available from?
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04:47<hotchip>I can't find it through apt-get ...
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04:47<hotchip>Thanks cybe.
04:47<cybe>np ^^
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04:48<cybe>Debian has recognized my Wlan card as a normal cable network card? How can I fix that and be mobile again :s
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05:29<aycko>how can i point my mbr to start a concrete partition at bootup?
05:30<aycko>my grub is located at my /boot partition, but somehow i overwrote my mbr.
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05:33<aycko>i can just find tutorials where grub is installed on the mbr.
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05:42<cybe>My wireless connection is recognised as a wired connection by Debian, how do I fix that? It worked fine in Ubuntu
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05:43<yujin>these is sound like zizi just after login,but the player did not work well when i open a mp3.why.please
05:43<twb>Why is it a problem?
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05:43<twb>cybe: why is it a problem?
05:44<twb>yujin: what player? Have you installed mp3 support?
05:44<cybe>twb: because I can't search fore wireless networks with it... It thinks it needs to connect through a wire
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05:48<cybe>Hmm, lspci show this: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02). But the network manager shows it as a wired connection, and won't let me search for access points
05:48<yujin>sometimes i can play mp3 without sound. when i made some congiureation with multimedial systems selector, it just flash and exit
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05:49<twb>yujin: I fail to see how you can play an mp3 "without sound"
05:50<gsimmons>!tell cybe -about ipw3945
05:50<yujin>maybe the player works,but driver fails
05:50<twb>cybe: are you sure the "network manager" (whatever that is) isn't talking about a different NIC?
05:50<twb>yujin: I suspect you want to install the appropriate gstreamer package.
05:52<cybe>twb - I meant the default "Network Settings" and it shows eth1 and eth0. eth0 is my wired connection that I use for internet access right now, and i believe eth1 has to be my wireless connection since I have no other network interfaces ?
05:52<cybe>gsimmons: Thanks, I will try that
05:52<twb>cybe: it could be the ip-over-firewire device
05:53<cybe>That might be... I will try to install ipw3945 and see if that solves the problem
05:53<yujin>is alsa what you say? the first time i choose "alsa" as output in multimedia systems selector , the test will give out sound. but now it give a message that alsa is busu or not available
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05:55<cybe>"* Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded." - will it start automatically after a system restart ?
05:56<twb>cybe: that sounds like the userland daemon; you need to modprobe the kernel module.
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05:57<cybe>Could you point me to an easy tutorial to do that ? and you were right btw, eth0 isn't my wireless card, but something else (wit a heally long mac address)
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05:59<twb>cybe: did you follow dpkg's advice?
05:59<twb>dpkg the IRC bot, I mean.
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06:00<cybe>Yes I did. I intalled everything it told me to
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06:00<twb>OK, then try issuing 'sudo modprobe ipw39<TAB>' and see if it auto-completes for you.
06:01<twb>I'm assuming you're running in bash and have sourced /etc/bash_completions and have sudo installed.
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06:02<mythic>hey all can anyone help me whit wifi ?
06:02<mythic>i got a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) but i cant seem to use it :s
06:03<cybe>twb - I am using a completely fresh install of Debian (etch) as a desktop install. I have sudo installed - but I can just switch to root with "su" right? It doesn't autocomplete ipw39
06:03<gsimmons>!tell mythic -about ipw3945
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06:03<mythic>hmm gsimmons and how would i do this ? add contrib and non-free entries ???
06:04<twb>cybe: did you source /etc/bash_completion?
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06:05<cybe>twb - No sorry. I just did it and now I can autocomplete to the following 3 things: "ipw", "ipw2100" and "ipw2200"
06:05<twb>Did the package install actually work?
06:06<gsimmons>mythic: Ask dpkg (the bot) about 'contrib' and 'non-free'. You'd want to append both of these components to your existing /etc/apt/sources.list file, using a text editor.
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06:06<mythic>eh :s
06:06<mythic>im a real noob :s
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06:07<cybe>twb - I thought it did, everything looked fine... But I might have overlooked something 'cause if I try to install it again I get the following error: "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipw3945-modules-2.6-686""
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06:08<gsimmons>mythic: "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" (as root) from a terminal. Add the "contrib non-free" to the end of your existing lines (so that it then reads "... main contrib non-free"). Save and exit the file. Run "apt-get update", then proceed with dpkg's instructions.
06:09<cybe>twb - after apt-get update and aptitude update I could install it
06:09<mythic>ok gsimmons ty
06:09<twb>cybe: then perhaps the module (driver) is named strangely.
06:09<twb>cybe: ask google, I don't know.
06:10<cybe>twb - okay... Thank you anyway :)
06:11<mythic>gsimmons and what line should i add exactly ? btw my mirror is
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06:13<gsimmons>mythic: You don't need to add any lines, just amend your existing ones. For each occurance of "main" - which would be at the end of most lines - amend it to read "main contrib non-free".
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06:13<mythic>ok gsimmons doing ty
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06:14<mythic>gsimmons and what about the ones that got main contrib ?
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06:15<twb>mythic: you want to end up with "[...] main contrib non-free". It doesn't matter whether it currently says "[...] main contrib" or "[...] main".
06:15<mythic>k twb thnx :p
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06:16<mythic>twb or gsimmons i done the contrib thing and i did aptitude update now what ?
06:17<gsimmons>mythic: Follow the previously issued instructions from dpkg, regarding ipw3945.
06:17<dpkg>Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it?
06:17<mythic>!tell mythic -about ipw3945
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06:17<mythic>twb i was about saying thnx allot :p xd
06:17<mythic>and same for gsimmons
06:18<mythic>:p ty guys :p
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06:18<twb>gsimmons: I'm confused; isn't cybe the one who is trying to get an ipw3945 device working?
06:19<twb>Oh, I guess both are.
06:19<gsimmons>twb: mythic appears to be in the same situation.
06:19<mythic>twb i just installd debian ... :p thats why
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06:20<mythic>twb or gsimmons and what after i done the ipw3945 thing ? i got it all installd :p
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06:26<gsimmons>mythic: Load the kernel module ("modprobe ipw3945") and start the regulatory daemon ("invoke-rc.d ipw3945d"). Install the 'wireless-tools' package if you haven't already.
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06:27<daffytheduck>hi i can start X from the console but if I try to start it via the login screen it only puts the screen back in my face can anyone help
06:27<gsimmons>Sorry, the daemon start is actually "invoke-rc.d ipw3945d start".
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06:33<markc>can anyone point to an accurate uptodate howto for nvidia + 2.6.22 kernel from sid ?
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06:34<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
06:35<witte>!nvidia one-liner
06:35<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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06:36<dpkg>nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:36[~]shadowcat has just about had enough of Ubuntu
06:37<TrollStar>is there a way to get OpenOffice on Etch to version 2.1.x since i was asked to test a bug situation with that version?
06:37<cahoot>isn't ubuntu OT?
06:37<Guest328>how to stop the xserver. i try /etc/init.d/kdm stop
06:37<shadowcat>cahoot: generally speaking yes
06:38<Guest328>but it does not work
06:38<witte>TrollStar: you can try to backport openoffice to etch
06:38<Guest328>topping K Display Manager: kdm not running (/var/run/ not found).
06:38<TrollStar>witte: i am not firm with baking packages, or does one exist already?
06:38<witte>Guest328: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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06:38<witte>!tell TrollStar about backports
06:39<shadowcat>cahoot: just saying, that after running ubuntu for about a week
06:39<markc>witte: many thanks
06:39<shadowcat>the debian unstable tree doesn't look that bad anymore
06:39<TrollStar>ah, thanks witte
06:39<Guest328>it does say. gdm stopped
06:40<Guest328>but with ctr+alt+f5 i can see the xserver
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06:40<Guest328>using knoppix 5.2 live disk
06:42<TrollStar>Guest328: then find the process ID with "ps" and kill it with "kill -9 <pid>"
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06:43<andy>debian is best ^^
06:43<TrollStar>andy: it sure is :o)
06:44<andy>hatte jetzt mehrere getestet... so suse, kubunu, freespire.... aber die installroutine von debian ist ungeschlagen
06:44<andy>thumbs up
06:44<TrollStar>german language ->
06:45<andy>ohh ok... thx
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06:46<m03hr3>msg nickserv m03hr3
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06:48<cybe>twb - It found my wireless card after a restart :)
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06:50<cybe>When I plug earphones into my laptop with a freshly installed Debian Etch the sound comes out of both the internal speakers and the headphones :s had the same problem in Ubuntu until Feisty
06:50<cybe>Or maybe Etchy, can't remember
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06:50<twb>cybe: that's probably a feature
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06:53<cybe>twb - what ?
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06:54<cybe>wtb - so you think I might be able to turn it on and off?
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06:56<twb>cybe: look in alsamixer
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06:58<_spOOn_>W: GPG error: stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
06:58<_spOOn_>any ideas?
06:58<_spOOn_>is this mirror having issues atm?
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07:00<cybe>twb - doesn't seem like it... When I had the issue in Ubuntu someone said that it had something to do with jacksense?
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07:03<twb>_spOOn_: which mirror?
07:05<_spOOn_>twb, have tried apt-key update
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07:11<twb>_spOOn_: is always fucked up
07:11<_spOOn_>twb, lol, i know
07:11<twb>_spOOn_: unless you "subscribe" (pay money), it randomly issues redirects that apt-get doesn't understand.
07:13<twb>_spOOn_: what are the full entries you're using for aarnet and s.d.o?
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07:14[~]_spOOn_ shakes head at stupid mistake he has just made.....
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07:14<_spOOn_>time to go back to being a n00b!
07:15<twb>So it's working?
07:15<_spOOn_>time/date was out of sync
07:15<_spOOn_>so keys obviously weren't working....
07:15<_spOOn_>all fixed now
07:15<_spOOn_>sorry for wasting your time
07:15<twb>No problem.
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07:16<fxiny>crikey ? where's the croc ?
07:16<fxiny>i see , twb is back ...
07:16<twb>fxiny: hey, I ain't making cracks about your meatballs and spaghetti
07:17<fxiny>twb: hahaha you still rocking ; good !
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07:20[~]fxiny sends two meatballs to the chapter 11 idiot and three spagh*a*tti to the ipod sha1sum astard
07:21<twb>Do you still have a government run by the TV station guy?
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07:22<war>How do I disable dmraid in knoppix 5.x? I cannot mount my hard drive because it says its busy. This is because DMRAID is in use, help? dmraid -an does not work
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07:24<fxiny>twb: nahhh : they are back in a full banana republic "regime"
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07:24<blarson>How do I enter accented characters to a random X app? (LANG=en_US.UTF8)
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07:26<Guest332>hi guys
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07:28<yujin>if esd is running,the totem don't work.what is the matter?
07:29<fxiny>twb: this is how i regard politics : one of these day i'll file a locales bug report cause i believe it should be ba as in banana
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07:32<twb>yujin: does it work for wav files?
07:33<twb>yujin: I suspect the problem is that you're trying to play evil codecs like mp3
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07:33<twb>...without first installing the associated codec support package.
07:34<yujin>i will test wav
07:34<yujin>thank you
07:36<fxiny>twb: i'm using wcd since yesterday : it rocks !
07:36<fxiny>can't get cdargs running
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07:42<fxiny>i know it
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07:44<fxiny>Snapser: reisub ;)
07:44<amphi>blarson: compose/multi_key and digraphs
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07:44<Snapser>I had never herd of the reisub technique
07:44<amphi>blarson: eg compose " a for ä
07:45<fxiny>Snapser: play as a bofh with it :)
07:45<fxiny>yeahh bofh , ask mama google
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07:52<Guest332>when I execute mkinitrd after compiling my kernel I am having an error saying sd_mod is not found. This module is already compiled in /usr/src/linux (where I have the kernel sources=
07:52<Guest332>does anyone know why this modules is not getting copied in /lib/modules?
07:52<vortex>Guest332: mkinitrd is deprecated
07:53<vortex>use mkinitramfs
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07:54<Guest332>uhmmmmm, I will wait for my kenel to get compiled and I will try with mkinitramfs
07:56<agus>somebody know how can I open a file in text mode (on C++) and don't break down if the first line is empty???
07:56<isuckatlinux>can anyone suggest a desklet manager
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08:01<yujin>twd:there is no sound for wav too
08:01<cahoot>yujin, no errormsg?
08:02<yujin>no error msg
08:02<cahoot>using aplay or what?
08:02<yujin>with totem
08:03<cahoot>yujin, best test alsa with aply, like aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav - in a terminal
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08:04<yujin>no sound too
08:04<cahoot>yujin, no errormsg?
08:04<cahoot>yujin, cat /proc/asound/crads - only one card listed?
08:04<cahoot>yujin, cat /proc/asound/cards
08:05<yujin> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
08:05<yujin> HDA Intel at 0xd2400000 irq 58
08:05<cahoot>yujin, try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 - then test aplay again
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08:07<twb>yujin: if you wish my attention you must spell my name correctly.
08:08<twb>isuckatlinux: what is a "desklet"?
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08:10<isuckatlinux>like gdesklets but that one doesnt work too good, some of them dont want to work
08:10<twb>I think that's your only choice, except for the KDE equivalent (karamba?)
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08:11<yujin>twb: ok. if i turn on the switch of "enable software sound mixing (ESD)" in sound preference,the totem wont work,it just flash and exit if i click a mp3
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08:11<twb>yujin: does it play wavs correctly?
08:11<isuckatlinux>damn it
08:11<v1nux>hi what is the server name debian about french please tks
08:12<twb>yujin: do not try to make mp3s work until you can demonstrably use wavs
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08:13<yujin>twb: no sound too. same as mp3. i have played mp3 well just now. but if i tune the alsamixergui, the sound turn off.
08:15<twb>yujin: well, let us try using command-line tools which might actually emit useful debugging information. Please install the package "mpg321".
08:15<yujin>twb: i will try.thanks
08:15<twb>yujin: please also install alsa-utils
08:15<twb>When you have done this, report back to me.
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08:17<wobh>I have a question: I have a soundcard, but not a /dev/dsp. How did that happen? How can I fix it.
08:17<wobh>(I guess that's two questions.)
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08:19<wobh>funny thing is that is plays just fine?
08:20<wobh>(although the 'play' program doesn't work.
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08:20<jaggy>hi again :(
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08:20<wurstbrot>Hi, can i mount 2 partitions in 1 folder, so that i can use the space of 2 disks without a raid?!
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08:21<mythic>twb or gsimmons what do i need to do after ipw3954 ?
08:21<gsimmons>wobh: modprobe snd_pcm_oss
08:22<gsimmons>mythic: Load the kernel module ("modprobe ipw3945") and start the regulatory daemon ("invoke-rc.d ipw3945d start"). Install the 'wireless-tools' package if you haven't already.
08:23<mythic>k ty gsimmons
08:23<twb>mythic: fly to ethiopia and bury yourself
08:23<mythic>twb: k :p xd
08:23<twb>You can leave your head exposed if you want.
08:23<yujin>twb: now it works with noise whether in gui or command line. but when i close it and try to run it again,it fails
08:23<wobh>gsimmons: thanks! that's been bothering me for a while.
08:24<mythic>twb nah i like to be buried allive :p
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08:25<twb>I forgot to mention you have to bury yourself alive in ogden nash poetry, no dirt
08:25<twb>yujin: run the command "alsamixer"
08:26<yujin>cahoot: do you mean applications->debian->apps->system->Admin->alsa-conf ?
08:26<twb>yujin: make sure all channels are set to about 80% (just press 8) and not muted.
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08:26<cahoot>yujin, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should unmute and set levels
08:27<twb>Haha, I thought I'd accidentally compiled my WM without xinerama support, because the second screen was blank
08:28<twb>It took me a minute to realize I'd turned it off
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08:31<yujin>cahoot: what is the exact command ,please?
08:31<cahoot>yujin, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
08:31<yujin>cahoot: bash: invoke-rc.d: command not found
08:32<cahoot>yujin, you need to be root
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08:34<yujin>cahoot: still no sound.
08:34<mythic>gsimmons i done that but still nothing :s
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08:35<isuckatlinux>question, if i compile a new kernel and really mess up, the old kernel is still going to be there working as normal right?
08:35<cahoot>yujin, fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd*
08:36<vortex>isuckatlinux: yes
08:37<gsimmons>mythic: You should have a wireless network interface available to you ("iwconfig"). Does it appear?
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08:37<isuckatlinux>ok, sounds good, hopefully the new kernel help out with this vaio laptops
08:37<yujin>cahoot: still running without sound
08:38<cahoot>yujin, fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd* - anything returned?
08:38<yujin>cahoot: nothing
08:38<mythic>gsimmons: nope look at this :s
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08:42<gsimmons>mythic: Looks like it's there (eth2). You'd want to use iwconfig to configure this interface as appropriate ("man iwconfig"). You can also define your wireless network configuration within /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for an explanation.
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08:43<mythic>ty gsimmons
08:45<yujin>cahoot: i will try restart.
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08:45<cahoot>just reload alsa
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08:50<cybe>auto-completion in "apt-get install" doesn't work anymore
08:50<cybe>Why would that be, and how can i make it work again ?
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08:51<twb>cybe: you need to source /etc/bash_completion each time you log in.
08:52<cybe>Okay... It has just been made automatic in Ubuntu or what ? I'll just add it to my starting files
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08:54<witte>cybe: you can edit /etc/bash.bashrc
08:54<witte>cybe: last three lines
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08:55<cybe>Thanks witte :D
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08:57<twb>Personally I prefer to put it in ~/.bashrc
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09:00<yujin>cahoot: if i turn on "desktop->preferences->sound->enable sotfware sound mixing and play system sound", these is a login sound with noise when just login. but the totem won't work unless sotfware sound mixing is disabled.
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09:02<twb>yujin: did you fix channel volumes in alsamixer as I instructed?
09:02<twb>Does "mpg321 foo.mp3" work?
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09:05<yujin>twb: "Playing MPEG stream from mm.mp3 " but no sound
09:05<yujin>twb: press ctrl+c return with "[0:45] Decoding of mm.mp3 finished."
09:06<twb>Are you using external speakers?
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09:07<yujin>twb: yes. it burst sound when i login
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09:08<twb>As in, real sound and not static garbage?
09:09<twb>Perhaps then your user simply doesn't have access to the sound devices
09:09<yujin>twb: the login sound with a little noise
09:09<twb>Please tell me the output of the command "id"
09:10<yujin>twb: uid=1000(yujin) gid=1000(yujin) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev),1000(yujin)
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09:10<twb>OK, that is correct.
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09:18<dendrite>When building a deb, what's the Right Way to set ownership and permissions on files in the new package? Currently we're doing chown and chmod on the tree before we build the package...
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09:18<twb>dendrite: in the upstream makefile?
09:18<twb>Possibly a question for #debian-devel, btw
09:18<dendrite>Well, it's our own code.
09:19<cybe>Am I the only one who can't apt-get gaim/pidgin? I installed it a couple of hours ago, but it was automatically removed again (I believe it is because I either installed or removed something else), and now I can't reinstall it: gaim: Depends: pidgin but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
09:19<dendrite>twb: So we are upstream. :-)
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09:19<twb>cybe: are you running Etch or later?
09:19<dendrite>twb: We have a makefile that gets the right code from CVS, arranges it under tmp, chown and chmod's it...
09:19<cybe>twb - I am running etch
09:20<twb>cybe: use aptitude, then. It should tell you WHY it's broken
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09:22<cybe>twb: " libpurple0: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.1.1-z) but 2.2.0-1 is to be installed.
09:22<cybe> pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.1.1-z) but 2.2.0-1 is to be installed."
09:23<twb>pastebin the full output of "aptitude install pidgin"
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09:24<twb>It's been a while since I used Etch's aptitude.
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09:26<twb>Now try aptitude install pidgin pidgin-data+ libpurple0+
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09:28<cybe>twb: - seems like exactly the same
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09:29<twb>cybe: OK, not sure.
09:30<twb>cybe: navigate through the proposed solutions until you get to a point where it offers to only upgrade stuff, I guess.
09:30<twb>Or you could just do "aptitude dist-upgrade" and upgrade everything that's upgradable.
09:30<cybe>I only get 1 solution more
09:31<twb>It could be that your mirror is incomplete and so it's gone a bit silly, in which case it'll probably come good again in a couple of dayss
09:31<gsimmons>cybe: Which repository for the pidgin packages are you using? pidgin isn't in Etch IIRC. There are backported packages for Etch, if you're not attempting to use these already.
09:31<twb>gsimmons: aha! Not in Etch!
09:31<dpkg>rumour has it, pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb etch-backports main" to your sources.list.
09:32<cybe>Hmmm, I don't know where I got it from then o.O
09:32<twb>cybe: pastebin your sources.list
09:33<cybe>But I managed to install it once ?
09:33<cybe>for an hour or to ago
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09:33<twb>cybe: you are not using Etch.
09:34<jaggy>how to activate nvidia geforce go 7600 in debian ? :s
09:34<twb>You are using Sid, which is for people who know how to fix or put up with these kinds of bugs
09:34<witte>!tell jaggy about nvidia
09:34<twb>jaggy: WDYM "activate"?
09:34<jaggy>twb u need to start ur drivers before it works ... :s
09:34<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
09:34<twb>jaggy: I disagree.
09:35<twb>VGA and VESA at the very least should work out of the box.
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09:35<jaggy>twb it wont work here ... i need to manuali activate ... btw ty witte
09:35<cybe>twb - I'm not sure I understand... It says Etch everywhere in the sources.list? And I took the iso file from that looked like tha right one?
09:36<twb>cybe: that last line says "sid"
09:36<witte>cybe: it says sid
09:36<dpkg>the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq>
09:36<cybe>I added the last two myself ^^
09:36<twb>cybe: well, you fucked up
09:37<cybe>So... You are saying that I have accidently upgraded my system to an unstable version? Doh! -.-
09:37<gsimmons>!tell jaggy -about nvidia
09:37<jaggy>i knew it already gsimmons but ty :p
09:38<twb>cybe: it sounds like you've upgraded bits of it
09:38<gsimmons>Ah, my bad.
09:38<witte>cybe: probably you need to do a dist-upgrade
09:38<witte>and live with sid for now
09:39<witte>!tell cybe about downgrade
09:39<twb>"mea culpa"
09:39<cybe>Okay... So downgrading isn't possible... Well, I just have to start over then :P
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09:40<jaggy>hmm i dont get anything about that nvidia talk :s
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09:40<twb>jaggy: what exactly ISN'T working?
09:40<jaggy>twb: enemy territory ( a game ) it works when u activate nvidia
09:40<twb>That's a feature.
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09:41<twb>Write to your manufacturer (NVidia) and ask them to release information about their hardware.
09:41<jaggy>twb hmm it must work as all other gamers use debian
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09:42<twb>If you and other consumers DON'T write to NVidia, their hardware will NEVER work out of the box.
09:42<witte>!tell jaggy about nvidia one-liner
09:43<jaggy>witte i believe thats it
09:44<twb>So instead of putting up with a large, one-off amount of inconvenience, you settle for an eternity of slightly less inconvenience.
09:44<twb>Shame on you.
09:44<witte>twb: :)
09:44<jaggy>hehe twb
09:44<twb>I mean it.
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09:45<twb>The reason GNU exists is because RMS said "No!" to these kind of comromises.
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09:46<twb>If RMS was like you, you'd be paying for Solaris on Windows today.
09:46<witte>I agree with twb that you should write nvidia, but you can still use their lousy drivers for now ;-)
09:46<jaggy>hmm well wath would i write :s
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09:47[~]fxiny sends twb the famous RMS alice_hmmmm.ogg
09:47<witte>jaggy: I looked for open source drivers for your hardware, but i can not find them
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09:47<witte>jaggy: could you please send me a link :-)
09:47<twb>fxiny: I don't know that one
09:47<jaggy>xd witte im googling myself xd
09:47<twb>fxiny: is it like _Guantanamero_ and _The Free Software Song_?
09:48<witte>jaggy: I meant that you should write something like that to nvidia
09:48<jaggy>oh witte ok :p xd
09:48<fxiny>twb: when he reminds himself of love and then dressed up as ST Ignucicus
09:49<fxiny>twb: i ain't got the guanta.ogg :(
09:49<twb>!google guantanamero
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09:50<fxiny>i knew he was a saint , you tell me he was driving a bike somewhere in south america too , smoking cigars ?
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09:51<twb>It's about the Texas despot
09:51<jaggy>witte the drivers ( when i install it ) they say im runing a x config
09:51<jaggy>waths a xconfig
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09:56<fxiny>twb: i read about solaris/windows , and about ipod/sha1sum . don't know ahy but i enjoy bad news like the other one : filed for chapter 11 , who ? some troubled edge fund ? nahhhh : sco :)))
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09:57<gabrix>woould u have just a try
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09:57<witte>jaggy: as far as I know, you have to install without a graphic environment running
09:57<gabrix>try to connect to this url please
09:57<jaggy>witte and how to close my envirimet ?
09:58<witte>jaggy: /etc/init.d/{k,g,w,x}dm stop
09:58<gabrix>any response?
09:58<jaggy>gabrix ye it exist but i cant connect
09:58<jaggy>o i can
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09:58<jaggy>thnx witte
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09:59<witte>with {k,g,w,x} depending on your install
09:59<gabrix>so ?
09:59<jaggy>im in gabrix
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09:59<fxiny>gabrix: slow : certificate coming
09:59<gabrix>do u like it
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10:00<gabrix>i have to find a joomla module to translate from italian to english and only
10:00<fxiny>gabrix: is in a foreign language i cannnot understand (twb :))) )
10:00<gabrix>i also have a irc server
10:01<gabrix>it's italian
10:01<fxiny>really ?
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10:01<gabrix> #gabrix
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10:02<fxiny>gabrix: "cx" is italy ? i thoyht italy was "ba"
10:03<Xenguy>CX Christmas Island
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10:03<fxiny>gabrix: ok . i'll add to my bookmarks
10:03<gabrix>come on join my #gabrix
10:04<gabrix>ii was saying i was looking for a joomla module to translate from it to english
10:04<twb>fxiny: italy is .it
10:04<twb>cx is Christmas Islands, a small area off the coast of Australia
10:04<fxiny>twb: really ?
10:05<twb> is a owned domain that lets pretty much anyone use subdomains for free
10:05<gabrix>do you know those free domains from ?
10:05<gabrix>.it is expensive
10:05<twb>Probably you can't get if you are Osama bin Laden
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10:05<sysop>I want to be able to spy on a user on a box. they use kde and terminal, what tools in debian can I use for that? I know about krfb(desktop sharing)
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10:06<fxiny>gabrix: if you don't change some politics lines to pure fun i'll delete it from my bookmarks
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10:06<helmut>Hi. I bet I'm not the only one running spamassassin on Etch, but has anyone seen this? And can I do anything about it?
10:06<gabrix>politic lines ? wht politic lines?
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10:07<twb>sysop: that's about it.
10:07<jaggy>where to download nvidia geforce go 7600 drivers ?
10:07<sysop>what about ttyspy?
10:07<twb>sysop: however, you will need to lock down KDE to prevent them simply blocking or killing the RDP server.
10:08<twb>I've never heard of it, but it sounds like it only applies to ttys
10:08<sysop>cool thanks twb
10:09<sysop>I am more concerned about someone spying on me. I once friendly coworker had my pw and I want to make sure they cant spy on me. I went looking through my process list but didnt find anything strange.
10:09<sysop>a once
10:10<fxiny>friendly cow worker ...
10:10<twb>If your machine has been compromised, you will not be able to find this out
10:10<jaggy>where to download nvidia geforce go 7600 drivers ?
10:10<twb>A competent cracker will simply instruct your utilities to lie to you.
10:11<Xenguy>sysop: when you say "password", do you mean root password?
10:11<sysop>I stupidly had both set to the same. I dont think he knew that they were but wanted to be sure.
10:11<twb>You must boot from a trusted device (e.g. a live CD), copy the data from the machine, check it for integrity. Then finally install a completely new OS and copy the data back onto it.
10:12<fxiny>or dump a full backup leaving the "competent" to compete with his crack addiction :)
10:13<sysop>I dont think he is that badass. but am migrating to a new machine soon anyway.
10:13<Xenguy>sysop: hrm, I would start by running 'chkrootkit' and 'rkhunter' just to see if anything suspicious turns up
10:13<sysop>ok thanks Xenguy will do that right now.
10:14<Xenguy>sysop: they are good basic scans, but not comprehensive of course
10:15<Xenguy>sysop: twb is right in the end: if someone else had root access, the only way to be really sure your system is clean is to re-install.
10:16<fxiny>you should find out how he got your root pass , otherwise reinstalling is useless : he will be back again
10:16<sysop>I will migrate by data over to a new machine then wipe this one and go from there. I knew you guys would be able to help.
10:17<fxiny>sysop: let a couple of ids running next . say samhain and tripwire
10:17<sysop>I gave him my user pass, which was the same as the root. he didnt know that. but there no guarantee he didnt try that.
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10:18<twb>You also want to read _Reflections on Trusting Trust_, which will make you very, very afraid of doing anything but creating your own computer from the wires up and write all your own code for it by hand.
10:18<witte>sysop: so you were two times an idiot
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10:19<witte>sysop: you gave your pass and you have your user pass the same as root
10:19<Xenguy>sysop: this time separate the user and root passwords :-)
10:19<witte>sysop: and if someone needs to login on your machine, make a new user
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10:20<witte>fxiny: :-)
10:20<sysop>I know. but its not like I gave it to an unknown person. and its not my network password. just the one to login to my box. it was a special situtation where I was at home and the vpn was down and I need him to email me something off my machine.
10:20<fxiny>witte: :)
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10:20<dendrite>sysop: Take it up w/ HR.
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10:21<sysop>if I find something I will.
10:21<witte>sysop: you could ask him in person
10:21<jaggy>witte he would denie anyway ...
10:21<witte>jaggy: depends on teh person...
10:21<sysop>yea right. witte, noone in thier right mind would answer yes to that.
10:22<witte>sysop: depends on what he did, if it was just for fun, maybe he will, if he is malicious not of course
10:22<jaggy>witte if u asked him he would get supicious ...
10:23<Xenguy>sysop: you can't be sure, just re-install as you said
10:23<fxiny>let him running wild : spy on him
10:23<fxiny>i'd love to do it
10:24<twb>Argh, fuck.
10:24<twb>I've just worked out the obvious cause of a bug I've been trying to fix for the last hour
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10:25<jaggy>twb gratz
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10:26<blarson>twb: It usually takes me longer than that to find the obvious...
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10:28<korny>in grub's menu.lst, can i do something like: kernel /boot/vmlinuz- root=[UUID] ro
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10:29<korny>i mean call a parttion by it's uuid?
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10:31<twb>korny: yes.
10:31<twb>korny: IIRC, it's root=UUID=foo
10:32<korny>twb: thank you =)
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10:33<korny>and in the /etc/fstab can i call the swap by another name than /dev/sda1. Depending on my current kernel, swap could also be /dev/sdb1
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10:34<jaggy>ey where to find a nvidia geforce go 7600 thing for debian testing ???
10:34<witte>korny: maybe you could assign the drives better usnig udev?
10:34<ronburg>hello room. i am having an issue with dhclient on debian etch.
10:35<Xenguy>jaggy: I am contemplating re-installing to stable for nvidia reasons :-(
10:35<jaggy>Xenguy it is posible to use nvidia whit unstable but not whit testing :s
10:35<Xenguy>jaggy: but there are smarter people here than I :-)
10:35[~]ronburg has anyone experienced a problem where they have to manually run dhclient in order to get dhcp info?
10:36<twb>korny: I'm not sure about that one
10:36<witte>!tell Xenguy about nvidia_post_etch
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10:36<jaggy>!tell jaggy about ipw9356
10:36<jaggy>wht nr is it ? :p
10:37<Xenguy>jaggy: well there's another option then; I used to run sid and it worked out alright, but these days I'm wanting the comfort-zone of stable more and more
10:37<witte>!tell jaggy about selftell
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10:37<jaggy>well what is the ipw nr then ??
10:37<Xenguy>witte: thanks for that, but I don't think nvidia-glx is even in testing (least last time I looked)
10:38<Xenguy>witte: maybe I should look again, but it seemed to be a bit of a mess for nvidia the last time I checked in
10:38<gsimmons>jaggy: I think you're after "ipw3945".
10:38<Xenguy>in testing that is
10:38<jaggy>ty gsimmons
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10:38<witte>Xenguy: i just saw that there is a "nvidia_post_etch" thing in dpkg, don't know how currtent it is
10:39<Xenguy>witte: or maybe you meant use that in sid
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10:39<ronburg>if anyone knows how dhclient gets executed on boot up then please msg me
10:39<Xenguy>witte: OK, I'll take a closer look
10:39<cahoot>ronburg, look at /etc/network/interfaces or man interfaces
10:40<ronburg>ok cahoot, i'll check that again. only probelm is i'm at work right now and am using my fedora box
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10:41<ronburg>i was just wondering if anyone else has had a similar issue with etch. if i view the logs i see that at some point my nic gets an ip, but after i log in the ip is gone.
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10:45<ronburg>does anyone have any practise questions for the LPI? i have an LPI ebook that i can transfer.
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11:00<fxiny>i have a question about pppd logs : peer from calling number 00:09:B6:89:63:63 authorized . what mac address is that ?
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11:06<yujin>if enable software mixing, totem return with "can't create mcop directory",or run without sound. how to deal with this?
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11:58<monra>hello, does anybody knows any good assembler ?
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11:59<softwork>why i get this error? checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
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11:59<vortex>softwork: apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
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12:00<softwork>thx : )
12:01<monra>any ideas?
12:01<vortex>monra: apt-cache search assembler
12:02<monra>vortex, that;s many results. that's why i said "good"
12:02<vortex>oh, nasm is a common one
12:02<monra>ok, thanks
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12:09[~]yang is looking for a customer based GUI control panel, i tried GPLconfig and Vhcs, the first one fails to compile...
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12:13<softwork>ssl library for pidgin?
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12:25<korny>is there a good tool out there to reduce the bitrate of my mp3s?
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12:28<yang>korny: lame (its how the program is called)
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12:29<korny>tooo easy =)
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12:30<Stephim>for example : lame -b 128 old_file.mp3 new_file.mp3 ( -b for the bitrate )
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12:31<LinuxAthos>can anyone help me with a problem in the command 'apt'
12:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:31<Stephim>LinuxAthos .. let us know your problem
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12:33<LinuxAthos>ok wait a minute please, i'm using a debian based, but in another language, so i'm gonna translate before. and then send
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12:33<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:33<korny>when i do: "lame -b alt.mp3 neu.mp3" i get: "Could not find "neu.mp3"." btw: neu is german for new ^^
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12:34<Stephim>korny .. use the full path for your mp3 file
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12:35<korny>Stephim: doesn't work either
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12:36<LinuxAthos>the problem is the following
12:36<Stephim>korny use: man lame
12:37<korny>Stephim: i think my command is right, but probably lame only accepts wave as infile?
12:37<LinuxAthos>when i type apt-get update for example...after those many lines, is showed:
12:37<LinuxAthos>Reading package list... Ready
12:37<LinuxAthos>W: GPG error: etch Release: Cannot execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify asignture (is the gnupg installed?)
12:37<LinuxAthos>W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: Cannot execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify asignture (is the gnupg installed?)
12:37<LinuxAthos>W: GPG error: etch Release: NCannot execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify asignture (is the gnupg installed?)
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12:38<Stephim>korny .. have a look here*checkout*/lame/lame/USAGE
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12:38<LinuxAthos>i couldn't send detais about the problem
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12:39<LinuxAthos> You have been kicked from #debian by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)
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12:40<LinuxAthos>when i type apt-get update in the end is showed the following
12:40<korny>LinuxAthos: read the twice and read the topic again ;)
12:40<LinuxAthos>Reading package list... Ready
12:41<korny>the .. message ...
12:41<LinuxAthos>W: GPG error: etch Release: Cannot execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify asignture (is the gnupg installed?)
12:41<LinuxAthos>W: You will have to execute apt-get update to fix thi problem
12:41<LinuxAthos>this GPG error... is showed 5 times, 5 lines....
12:42<Stephim>is gnupg package installed ? LinuxAthos
12:43<LinuxAthos>when i type apt-get install gnupg
12:43<LinuxAthos>is showed that the gnupg is already the last version
12:44<Stephim>and when you type /us/bingpgv ?
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12:47<LinuxAthos>is not there
12:47<LinuxAthos>the gpgv
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12:48<LinuxAthos>the gpgv isn't there <Stephim>
12:49<korny>okay i think lame is not the best way to reduce the bitrate of my mp3s, because i have to deconvert them to wave first and then convert them to mp3 ...
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12:52<Stephim>Korny .. maybe with BladeEnc
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12:53<fxiny>korny: that's the way . you can check rezound
12:54<fxiny>it converts in its own format ...
12:55<korny>okay thank you
12:55<korny>i have to leave now
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12:56<christian>i want to install a printer.
12:56<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
12:56<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi
12:56<christian>kyocera fs 720 with usb. is there a howto anywhere?
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12:57<Stephim>LinuxAthos type the following command to find gpgv : find / -name "gpgv" -print
12:58<Stephim>christian .. with CUPS
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12:59<Stephim>apt-get install cupsys and then http://localhost:631
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13:00<LinuxAthos><Stephim> # find / -name "gpgv" -print
13:01<stroyan>Stephim: The locate and dlocate commands will be much faster than "find /".
13:05<christian>i have already cupsys
13:07<christian>k, thanks a lot...may be it works now...
13:09<christian>Drucker Kyocera_FS-720_USB_1 wurde erfolgreich hinzugefügt.
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13:14<ales>i have problem with loading shared libraries: what i have to install?
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13:15<dli>error message from what program?
13:15<ales>wolfenstein mp demo
13:15<ales>3d grphics....
13:15<dli>ales, not open source, then, report to nvidia
13:16<ales>but some time ago, i have problem with nvidia, i downloaded and got it
13:16<ales>official debian instalation
13:17<ales>another game - Enemy territory what is clon of Wolenstein runs perfectly
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13:18<chealer>dli: that's the game's problem, not the 3D drivers'
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13:19<jchaoul>I have installed nvidia-glx-new and after I rebooted the pc, I can't get into X, there is an error and it takes me to the console
13:19<jchaoul>I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then rebooted the system but still have the same error
13:19<dli>chealer, as far as that game is not open source
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13:20<stroyan>ales: If you are using a 64-bit distribution then is in the package ia32-libs
13:20<christian>i use cups for install a printer, but my model fs 720 isnot there...what can i do?
13:21<ales>i hace not 64bit..... amd sempron 2600+, using everything x86
13:21<christian>can i get a ppd ?
13:21<ales>jachaoul: i had same problem.... did you do everything like in web is written? debian instalation of nvidia?
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13:22<ales>christian : use google ppd +fs 720
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13:23<chealer>ales: which Debian suite do you use?
13:23<ales>newest, i think 4.01
13:23<chealer>ales: 4.0r1?
13:24<chealer>jchaoul: what's nvidia-glx-new?
13:24<stroyan>christian: looks very discouraging for you.
13:24<chealer>ales: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
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13:24<FraDe>re all
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13:26<chealer>jchaoul: did you see my question?
13:27<jchaoul>no sir where?
13:27<jchaoul>I used apt-get to remove the nvidia-glx-new
13:27<jchaoul>and Installed the nvidia-glx
13:27<jchaoul>it said that the kernel version different for the installed one
13:27<chealer>jchaoul: <chealer> jchaoul: what's nvidia-glx-new?
13:27<jchaoul>when I did: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
13:27<jchaoul>I followed the instructions.. but still same.
13:27<chealer>jchaoul: where did you get nvidia-glx-new anyway?
13:28<jchaoul>from the synaptic
13:28<jchaoul>I clicked on it to install it, and it say that the nvidia-glx will be removed
13:28<FraDe>jchaoul wich kernel u have?
13:28<chealer>jchaoul: which Debian suite do you use?
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13:29<jchaoul>how is taht related chealer?
13:29<stroyan>jchaoul: What repository do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ? Is it ubuntu?
13:29<alessi>jchaoul :
13:30<chealer>jchaoul: I want to check that nvidia-glx-new is available in your Debian suite. otherwise something's wrong.
13:31<christian>stroyan: there is no driver. :(
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13:32<miksuh>chealer: nvidia drivers are in Debian non-free repository
13:32<alessi>chealer: thanks..... i instralled that and everything goes ok, but another problem... but this one is made of thanls much
13:32<miksuh>you need to activate non-free
13:32<miksuh>then you can install nvidia drivers
13:32<miksuh>not chealer
13:33<chealer>miksuh: but there's no such thing as nvidia-glx-new even in non-free AFAIK
13:33<alessi>another question: how can i limit up/down load speed in debian? not using accelarators....
13:33<jchaoul>I need to what?
13:33<miksuh>chealer: yeah it's nvidia-glx :)
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13:33<miksuh>not nvidia-glx-new
13:33<jchaoul>I am using Ubuntu right now
13:33<jchaoul>what should I do?
13:33<chealer>jchaoul: this is a Debian support channel. ask #ubuntu
13:36<miksuh>jchaoul: install debian :)
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13:37<jchaoul>sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
13:38<jchaoul>this is what is missing?
13:38<chealer>jchaoul: /topic
13:38<miksuh>I don't know, i don't use ubuntu
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13:55<kevinl>is it possible on etch, to take just the linux-image package from lenny and upgade the kernl/modules?
13:55<kevinl>or will that cause a glibc conflict in the modules?
13:56<kevinl>er.. somewhere
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13:58<doubledown>hi, all. I'm trying to install debian 4.0 via the net installer but my NIC isn't recognized. it's a 3com 3c905b-tx. it works with linux and I already had it running with debian. the thing is one pci slot got fried due to a power surge but the rest of the board works fine. Yesterday I installed suse 10.2 and there were not problems at all. so I think the net-installer can't handle the broken pci slot. is there a way to tell the installer direc
13:58<blarson>kevinl: It should work, as long as all the requirements are met. It won't install if they arn't.
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13:59<kevinl>blarson, hmm you are probably right. i guess ill just try in a vm or something first ;)
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14:00<kevinl>doubledown, not really sure.. does the installer as you to specifiy a driver from a list?
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14:00<el_isma>so... how mad is to run Sid? (in comparison with testing)
14:01<kevinl>i cant remember if the netinst lets you get to a busybox shell with alt+f2 but maybe could insmod the module manually if it exists on the netinst cd
14:01<chealer>doubledown: your message was cut at " installer direc"
14:01<kevinl>el_isma, i dont know really but i heard it was broken at the moment
14:01<kevinl>if that gives you any indication :)
14:01<chealer>el_isma: if you have to ask, it's mad
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14:02<doubledown>ah, ok. my question was if there is a way to tell the installer directly at the boot promt where to look for the NIC.
14:02<el_isma>I'm in ubuntu right now, and getting sick of it. The slow update cycle is not for me...
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14:03<el_isma>I was thinking of getting back to Testing
14:03<kevinl>el_isma, do you really think that testing is ahead of ubuntu ?
14:03<kevinl>i mean, i dont know
14:03<kevinl>but was sortof wondering myself.
14:03[~]Supaplex gives el_isma an arm shot of SID
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14:04<el_isma>kevinl: It is. It's only behind a month or two after a ubuntu release
14:04<kevinl>but then it gets ahead?
14:05<el_isma>the problem with ubuntu releases is that they generally don't get much updates
14:05<el_isma>for instance, edgy was very buggy
14:05<kevinl>i get updates every day pretty much
14:05<el_isma>it got a bit better after some updates, but they never updated the installer
14:06<el_isma>so every fresh install was broken till you updated
14:06<kevinl>oh.. cause they dont have a net installer
14:06<el_isma>and the "stable" releases aren't always stable
14:06<kevinl>hmm. the ubuntu live-cd installer thing is quite neat though
14:06<kevinl>you must admit :)
14:07<el_isma>except it doesn't usually work *grin*
14:07<el_isma>I've had many troubles using it
14:07<kevinl>ya that reminds me
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14:07<kevinl>does anyone have a lenny vmware machine that isnt 935 megs?
14:07<el_isma>generally it's much better to use the alternate install cd (which uses the normal debian installer)
14:08<Supaplex>I like neutring windows
14:08<fxiny>exe galore
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14:09<fxiny>i read something about lenny and that exe
14:12<fxiny>it was like a horror movie : the idea to install *first* windows and then some exe installer crashed all my synapsis
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14:14<el_isma>fxiny: only thing left to try is to install windows from linux!
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14:16<fxiny>el_isma: i bet those hollipops tycoons will hire you for the partII screenplay :)
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14:16<twb>What do I have to do differently to put a bootable .iso onto a DVD instead of a CD?
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14:16<twb>Just putting a DVD in instead of CD doesn't seem to work.
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14:17<twb>And the .iso itself boots fine under qemu.
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14:17<fxiny>qemu rocks
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14:17<fgh>how come i get iceweasel when i want firefox?
14:17<twb>fgh: because of lawyers.
14:17<vortex>iceweasel is the renamed firefox
14:17<fxiny>i had a look at crml (?) live_nerd_cd
14:18<fxiny>on qemu
14:18<Supaplex>!tell fgh about why iceweasel
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14:41<yosef>I have problem, I cut 2 files, Past them in another folder, But the files did not appear at both location, how can I find them?
14:41<yosef>any log file in the system I can know where they went?
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14:44<fxiny>yosef: cut and paste sounds strange to me : type history to see your commands
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14:46<tcsetattr>yosef, you're gonna have to be less vague. I can't even guess what you're talking about.
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14:59<panagos>why is html email said to be unsafe?
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15:00<dli>panagos, as far as your client doesn't open links in it by default
15:02<stroyan>panagos: Interpreting and displaying html is rather complicated. That can lead to defects that allow malformed documents to exploit defects and do really bad things.
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15:03<panagos>but if i use, say, kmail, which uses the khtml kpart? shouldn't i be okay?
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15:04<tcsetattr>plus most HTML viewers don't just view HTML (which is complicated enough already) but also support even more massively stupid things like Javascript
15:04<Supaplex>normally yes. it's a precaution
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15:04[~]Supaplex prefers plain ordinary text
15:04<Supaplex>imagine that.
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15:06<tcsetattr>labeling a document format "dangerous" is something wnidoze users do because they don't think the fault might be in their tools, and if they just disabled Javascript and other idiocies there wouldn't be so much danger. I just hate HTML because it's ugly.
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15:08<theONE>DCC SEND "KEYLOGGER" 0 0 0
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15:09<tcsetattr>bad data is never actually dangerous. bad code is dangerous. and only if you run it.
15:09<Supaplex>!ops theONE exploit attempts
15:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: theONE exploit attempts
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15:09|-|theONE kicked [#debian] peterS [go away pls]
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15:09<peterS>thanks Supaplex
15:09|-|mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
15:10<stoned>hey peterS
15:10<stoned>how are you
15:10<dpkg>stoned: you know how it is...
15:11[~]Supaplex is reading for his 10+ disk server to run xen+vserver with lvm2+raid+other goodies :)
15:11<peterS>alex_, smeding: FYI you are sitting behind buggy NAT routers that want to "protect" you from the evils of IRC exploits. they just disconnected you. I think you can use SSL on this network, if you want, which has a side effect of hiding from your NAT router
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15:11<Supaplex>or port 7000 iirc
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15:11<Supaplex>or upgrade your router :)
15:11<peterS>does port 7000 work on I know has an alternate port
15:12<peterS>8001 on freenode, if I remember correctly
15:12<smeding>peterS: hmm?
15:12<Supaplex>too many networks to remember the differences. *shrug*
15:12<JasonS> ;)
15:12<smeding>oh. SSL. sounds like a good idea.
15:12<smeding>too bad i'm lazy
15:12<Supaplex>i'd just say upgrade the bugg0ry router and have it done with
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15:12<smeding>my sister just bought it.
15:12<smeding>it's a WRT54G.
15:12[~]Supaplex pats the nice openwrt of his
15:12<peterS>well, I don't see much point in SSL for IRC normally - nothing I do on IRC is so private that anyone would care to traffic-sniff it - but it does have the side effect of not letting your router filter mess it up
15:12<smeding>yeah i should upgrade the firmware
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15:14<dli>peterS, what about tor proxying?
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15:15<peterS>dli: that might work. but you have to be careful, lest you appear on irc channels with a tor hostmask, which a lot of channels ban on sight, since it's so easy to ban-evade with troll behavior otherwise
15:16<peterS>dli: so your best bet, if you want to use both tor and irc, is to register your nick and get a custom nickmask, so you don't get caught in *.tor bans
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15:16<dli>peterS, just another way :)
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15:17<Supaplex>if rtorrent was only more like elinks (for ui)
15:17<peterS>freenode's port 8001 thing is the simplest way to avoid firewall/router troubles (some companies firewall the usual irc ports, it seems). but I don't know if oftc has the same option
15:18<peterS>Supaplex: hey, it's based on a library, write your own frontend (:
15:18<Supaplex>too lazy right now :)
15:19<Supaplex>well, other stuff to do to.
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15:23<panagos>is there a top-like program to monitor net activity of various processes?
15:23<bzed>22:22:32 6668 IRCnet autoconnect
15:23<bzed>22:22:32 6668 OFTC autoconnect
15:23<bzed>22:22:32 7000 freenode autoconnect
15:24<bzed>dli, peterS ^^
15:24<peterS>bzed: 6668 is one of the standard irc ports
15:24<peterS>6667 through 6670 or so
15:24<bzed>my ISP only blocks 6667
15:24<bzed>so 6668 works fine for me
15:25<peterS>how silly of them. they don't realise that the others are just as widely supported?
15:25<peterS>or maybe they want to block zombie networks that are known to only try 6667
15:25<peterS>without inconveniencing their actual customers
15:26<bzed>they just want to avoid that dumb people run ircd with default settings and the zombie owners
15:26<peterS>blocking incoming and blocking outgoing are two very different things
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15:26<peterS>(my ISP blocks outgoing port 25, but not incoming, which suits my purposes perfectly)
15:27<chuy_max>hi: when I connect a ticket printer in my PC, a file is always created called /dev/lp0, is it safe to assume it will always be created there?
15:27<panagos>is there a top-like program to monitor net activity of different processes?
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15:27<peterS>there is ntop, I haven't tried it
15:27<peterS>chuy_max: lp0 is created by loading the 'lp' kernel module, which provides parallel printer support
15:28<peterS>I don't know who loads the lp module for you and whether that is a reliable process, but you can always load it manually by adding it to /etc/modules, if it turns out to be a problem
15:28<peterS>yes, tcsetattr, I am assuming that he is running udev and gets lp0 populated for him and furthermore that this part of the equation is reliable
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15:29<tcsetattr>is that how it's gonna be in the future? people are gonna say stuff like "lp0 is created by loading the 'lp' kernel module" and get away with it?
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15:29<tcsetattr>congratulations for guessing the meaning of "argh" though :)
15:29<peterS>was I supposed to say "lp0 is created by udev in response to a kernel hotplug event triggered by the load of the lp module"?
15:29<tcsetattr>well that does sound more accurate.
15:30<tcsetattr>I didn't like the implication of direct causation. carry on
15:30<peterS>point taken
15:31<tcsetattr>I didn't know parallel ports could detect plugin events
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15:32<peterS>I know there is a pnp protocol where you can query a parallel port bus and determine what is on it
15:32<peterS>but I didn't know it was interrupt-based either, I figured you had to poll it
15:32<peterS>also, for the record, I still don't run udev on my main computer
15:33<tcsetattr>but the answer to the original question is yes, lp0 is the standard name for the printer plugged into the first parallel port.
15:33<Supaplex>peterS: my mac (with gutenprint) has detected most of the printers I've plugged into it lately.
15:33<Supaplex>tcsetattr: linux/Documentation/devices.txt ?
15:33<peterS>Supaplex: do macs have parallel ports? I thought printers had to be serial or SCSI or USB
15:34<peterS>(or ethernet)
15:34<Supaplex>peterS: I have a usb<->parallel cable
15:34<tcsetattr>yes, devices.txt agrees... was that a question?
15:34<Supaplex>tcsetattr: no, just a suggestion. glad you found it already =)
15:34<peterS>Supaplex: well, that's different, USB definitely detects plug/unplug events. and the USB device that provides a parallel port quite possibly does some detection too
15:34<tcsetattr>devfs probably disagrees, but nobody cares about devfs anymore
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15:35<peterS>no, nobody cares about devfs anymore. it was finally removed from the kernel.
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15:36<peterS>in fact, hmmm, it was removed in 2.6.18. (I could have sworn it happened slightly later.)
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15:39<chealer>peterS: 2.6.13 IIRC
15:39<peterS>chealer: no, I think that's just where the kernel config option was removed
15:39<peterS>so if you still wanted devfs you had to hack the config manually
15:39<marin_>how can i do a right-clic with my monobutton mouse please ?
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15:40<peterS>don't know but maybe you can ask, they patented one-click checkout a few years back (:
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15:42<Supaplex>inspire us to care about mono ;)
15:42<iantlopp>Debian takes a very long time to boot up, and I'm noticing what seem to be a LOT of errors as it boots. Does anyone know of a good boot debugger/logger that I can use, as well as tutorials for cleaning up the boot processes? I've been looking through google for the past 6 hours now with little to no success at finding anything that quite matches Debian Stable
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15:42<bzed>iantlopp: what about posting the errors?
15:42<iantlopp>how do I log the errors to post them?
15:42<bzed>marin_: get a non-apple mouse?
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15:43<tcsetattr>marin_: apt-get install mouseemu, or use the X server's mousekeys
15:43<chealer>iantlopp: for the late part of the boot, bootlogd
15:43<sheldonh>Supaplex: how does he syslog the initrd's output?
15:43<dpkg>/etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see, or not a command (opposed to dmesg)
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15:43<Supaplex>syslog doesn't log initrd. use a serial console if bootlogd cannot pick it up, or contribute a fix if you don't like that either
15:44<calmar>hi all, any recommandation about using a video-codec? xvid or another? (generally)
15:44<chealer>Supaplex: lots of stuff not in bootlogd is in dmesg
15:44<Supaplex>if you notice ethernet taking it's time, you might see multiple dhcp attempts, and yes, dmesg goes into syslog eventually.
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15:45<chealer>calmar: you mean you want to compress video?
15:45<calmar>chealer: yeah
15:45<calmar>i always used xvid hm so
15:45<iantlopp>when trying to run bootlogd I get "cannot find console device 136:1 in /dev"
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15:46<tcsetattr>char device 136,1 is /dev/pts/1
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15:47<iantlopp>supaplex: unfortunately, part of the problem is Debian's near refusal to work with a broadcom wireless device (at least the stable version... there's no fwcutter at all to get the firmware, so I had to switch to test just to get it then switch back, now I get a lot of errors, but through work I can get online)
15:47<peterS>so bootlogd runs before /dev/pts is mounted?
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15:47<iantlopp>don't know, I just tried to run it right now... was hoping that it was something I could activate to run at boot time without having to edit a file I'm unfamiliar with.
15:48<tcsetattr>so you tried to run bootlogd _after_ the system is booted? that's pointless
15:49<iantlopp>tcsetattr: I'm understanding that now... I was thinking I could start the program to set a boot option on it... i.e. like a defrag program that you can run now or set to run at startup...
15:49<Supaplex>fyi, my full attention isn't to #debian right now. (server rebuild)
15:49<tcsetattr>how silly. edit the /etc/default file like you were told.
15:50<iantlopp>I didn't see any mention of editing /etc/default
15:50<tcsetattr><dpkg> /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see, or not a command (opposed to dmesg)
15:51<tcsetattr>I never knew that bootlogd had been enabled by default. Did I have a /var/log/boot and not notice it?
15:51<iantlopp>sorry for being a noob... don't know exactly what that means... I'm trying to google a lot of this while doing it so I can understand it better.,
15:51<tcsetattr>it means you edit /etc/default/bootlogd and change the "No" to "Yes"
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15:52<Supaplex>!tell iantlopp -about grounding
15:52<iantlopp>bbiab... gonna restart now.
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15:54<chealer>tcsetattr: not unless you installed before 2004
15:54<tcsetattr>well I did have debian machines running since 2001. never knew it was logging boot messages
15:55<chealer>I modified the factoid lately but didn't rewrite it from scratch...
15:56<tcsetattr>here's what really happened: bootlogd assumes that its stdin is connected to the initial console device. it found 136,1 on stdin and couldn't find the corresponding device file (it doesn't look in /dev/pts because devpts isn't supposed to be mounted yet.)
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15:57<chealer>dpkg: no, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see Not a command (opposed to dmesg)
15:57<dpkg>okay, chealer
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15:59<tcsetattr>for some reason I have a /var/log/boot containing the line "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" - seems like whoever wrote that message could have included a pointer to /etc/default
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16:00<sheldonh>tcsetattr: did you and i engage once in a conversation about linux's maximum loss free forwarding rate?
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16:01<iantlopp>okay... where to post the bootlog now?
16:01<tcsetattr>not unless you compressed it so much that I don't understand the topic.
16:01<tcsetattr>"maximum loss free forwarding rate"? uh, what?
16:01<sheldonh>tcsetattr: maybe it was jm_. have done some benchmarking recently that overturns what i told him/you/whoever
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16:03<Ismael> <- MS recommends FF!
16:03<Supaplex>and photoshop is free. as if.
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16:04<chealer>!tell iantlopp about paster
16:04<Ismael>photoshop? shame on you Supaplex, GIMP or Krita
16:04<Supaplex>I meant FOSS
16:05<Supaplex>anyway, maybe they realiase you're not on windows.
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16:05<Ismael>and they actually give helpful advice?
16:06<Ismael>they must be on to something...
16:06<sheldonh>Ismael: advertising revenues
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16:08<iantlopp>okay.. is my bootlog... I'm noticing a problem with fnfx as well... (well I noticed that before, but still).. basically if I run it in terminal, it asks me to run modprobe toshiba_acpi, which I do, then it works, however the files and folders that modprobe creates disappear upon next reboot.. any way to stop that from happening?
16:08<iantlopp>and is there ANY reason to have a bittorrent tracker on bootup?
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16:09<tcsetattr>if you put a module's name in /etc/modules it'll be modprobed for you on boot.
16:10<iantlopp>thanks :)
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16:10<NeXX>hi guys
16:10<iantlopp>but does it need to be modprobed every boot, or can it be set permanently so it doesn't need to be modprobed?
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16:10<tcsetattr>no, that is how it's done
16:10<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
16:11<tcsetattr>your log shows 11 seconds spent "Configuring network interfaces" and 31 seconds "Starting MTA: exim4"
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16:11<iantlopp>network interfaces... that would probably be because of my broadcom wifi card...
16:12<iantlopp>I can barely get it to work while in Debian after boot, with a combination of iwconfig and using the Networking Administration tool.
16:12<Ismael>why, oh, why, does Debian insist on having an MTA? Most users I know have no use for it
16:12<paistis_>hyvää yötä <3
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16:12<NeXX>can someone help me with that?
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16:13<iantlopp>okay, now fnfx should work fine...
16:13<chealer>NeXX: can you give an idea what it is about?
16:14<NeXX>im trying to access my harddrive right
16:14<iantlopp>I'll get to toshset later... any clue on fixing the broadcom issue?
16:14<NeXX>its an NTFS drive
16:14<fancylad>why does dhclient acquire an address on booot then release it? this is what i am seeing in /var/log/syslog. my /etc/network/interfaces file is configured correctly.
16:14<tcsetattr>because mail is an integral part of the system. if you can't at least get a message to a local user using /usr/sbin/sendmail you're broken.
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16:14<iantlopp>hrmm.. .gotta go for now... bbl.
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16:15<chealer>fancylad: is network-manager installed?
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16:15<NeXX>do i have to install some sort of ntfs support in the kernel?
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16:16<NeXX>or would i not even get that error if i didn't have support for it
16:16<tcsetattr>pmount sure seems to print a lot of error messages that don't have anything to do with mounting :)
16:16<fancylad>is network-manager a gui tool?
16:17<fancylad>i'm using xfce btw
16:17<chealer>fancylad: it has GUI frontends
16:17<fancylad>i'll check if it is installed
16:17<Ismael>chealer: does network manager have cli interfaces?
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16:18<NeXX>tcsetattr: do you think if i tried to mount it with just mount i may not get that error?
16:18<chealer>Ismael: I don't know.
16:18<NeXX>or is that something different all together
16:18<fancylad>network-manager is not installed. do i need it for some reason?
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16:20<chealer>fancylad: no, I thought it could have caused your problem.
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16:20<NeXX>meh i tried it and it seemed to work
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16:20<chealer>fancylad: please provide the log
16:20<fancylad>chealer: should i send it to u?
16:22<bzed>NeXX: you wanna use ntfs-3g
16:22<NeXX>bzed: what is that?
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16:22<bzed>it;s available on if you're using etch
16:22<dpkg>it has been said that ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see for release status. Read the FAQ at, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports)
16:23<chealer>fancylad: no
16:23<chealer>!tell fancylad about paster
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16:23<NeXX>well i got it mounted to /mnt/stuff with just a "mount -v -t ntfs /dev/hdf1 /mnt/stuff" but i cant access it in X so i'll just command line it and copy files and format it with ext3
16:23<NeXX>less hassles i figure
16:23[~]sheldonh loves network-manager on his laptop
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16:25<Ismael>NM is nice. I just hate that I don't know of any CLI interfaces to it
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16:26<fancylad>:chealer: so i just upload my log file to that site?
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16:27<sheldonh>Ismael: that would be nice
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16:31<fancylad>ok. i'm going to upload my log file too
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16:35<chealer>fancylad: yes, and then you tell us your paste's URL
16:37[~]piper is putting more beer in fridge: Gone away for now.
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16:38<peterS>piper: please disable the irc feature that posts your away message to the channel
16:38<peterS>this is on the principle of "if all 300 of us did that..."
16:38<fancylad>my paste:
16:39<piper>peterS: i will just leave debian, i am on 72 different channels thanks
16:39<peterS>72 channels? whoa
16:39<piper>not one complains, but then again #debian does not have a good rep
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16:40<piper>freenode included
16:40<peterS>piper: it's pretty simple: if one person does something like that, you hardly notice. but if the channel has 300 people in it and we all do it, the channel would be flooded with meaningless crap. therefore we ask everyone not to do it
16:40<chealer>fancylad: provide /var/log/boot too
16:40<piper>peterS: we have a big channel also (sidux)
16:41<sheldonh>piper: weren't you leaving? :)
16:41<peterS>as may be. freenode #debian is over 800 people, the problem gets even worse then
16:41<piper> i am not here to argue, and yes, i am leaving
16:41<fancylad>chealer: ok
16:41<sheldonh>fancylad: did you notice this? receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down
16:41<piper>peterS: have a nice day and don't forget to smile :)
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16:42<chealer>piper: "/quit"
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16:42<sheldonh>fancylad: i haven't had great results with dhcp clients when my ethernet link bounces up and down
16:42<peterS>chealer: no no, he's on lots of other channels, you mean "/part"
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16:43<chealer>peterS: yeah...
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16:43<chealer>piper: "/leave"
16:43<peterS>chealer: but don't chase him out. he said he'd leave, if he changes his mind, that's fine. we got our point across already.
16:43<fancylad>is the output of dmesg ok? my boot file is empty.
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16:44<chealer>peterS: I'm not chasing him out, just *trying* to help to leave.
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16:44<piper>chealer: i am not noob, and have done this for a long time
16:44<peterS>chealer: anyone who's on 72 channels probably knows the basics of joining and leaving them. or, well, errr, at least joining them. maybe being on 72 means you never figured out how to leave (:
16:44<sheldonh>peterS: the "#debian does not have a good rep" wasn't lost on us, clever though he may have thought he was being
16:45<peterS>sheldonh: it's hardly worth the energy to argue over, though
16:45<sheldonh>peterS: indeed. i'm a fan of the channels that autoban autoaways :)
16:45<chealer>peterS: jejeje
16:46<chealer>piper: OK, "/part" as peterS wrote
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16:46<schmoko>does anyone know the status of nvidia-kernel-common? i just did a dist-upgrade and it appears to have no installation candidate
16:47<peterS>it's in contrib, in case you don't have contrib in your sources.list or something
16:47<sheldonh>soon none of this will matter. i hear amd have open-sourced the ati chip apis :)
16:47<fancylad>chealer: i'll upload dmesg
16:48<peterS>sheldonh: errrr, some of them. the 2D mode setting stuff that threatened to make modern ATI chips completely unusable on Linux
16:48<peterS>sheldonh: not the whole 3D engine, like a lot of people probably imagined
16:48<schmoko>soon == several years
16:48<chealer>piper: if you have nothing related to Debian support to write, please leave or stay quiet
16:48<sheldonh>peterS: oh. how disappointing. that's so not what i heard :(
16:48<piper>chealer: i havent saidd a word
16:48<peterS>sheldonh: it was a great symbolic gesture, and it was necessary if we are to use new ATI chips at all, but the gesture wasn't what some people assumed it was
16:48<chealer>piper: <piper>
16:49<piper>since then
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16:49[~]sheldonh remembers that one for the next time he's under oath
16:49<chealer>piper: that was not even 5 minutes ago
16:50<piper>3 min
16:50<peterS>can you two stop arguing already?
16:50<piper>chealer: why do you want to agrue
16:50<peterS>sheesh, you're eating up way more visual bandwidth than you're arguing _about_
16:50<chealer>piper: right, 3 minutes is less than 5 minutes
16:50<peterS>stop it. both of you. now.
16:50<piper>easy /ignore chealer
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16:52<fancylad>paste for dmesg:
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16:53<sheldonh>fancylad: this doesn't look too hot: cs: warning: no high memory space available!
16:53<chealer>fancylad: oh, sorry, I missed your question. please highlight me if you expect a reply from me.
16:54<chealer>!tell fancylad about bootlogd
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16:54<sheldonh>fancylad: try this:
16:57<sheldonh>fancylad: i'd also be interested to hear whether the problem goes away if you eject and reinsert the card after booting through to multiuser mode
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16:57<dbldtx>fancylad; cabin boy?
16:58<fancylad>cabin boy indeed!
16:58<fancylad>i don't think this is a module issue as my nic works fine
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17:00<fancylad>i always boot into multiuser mode
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17:01<fancylad>the problem is resolved if i type 'dhclient eth0' at the cli as root
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17:05<fancylad>i actually may have found something in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts
17:06<fancylad>there's a line that says "DHCP="n"". i'm going to try changing that and reboot. thanks sheldonh
17:08<sheldonh>fancylad: note also the distribution-specific commentary about debian
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17:11<fancyladd>i rebooted and i
17:12<gcosmin>can some one help me with my wireless ...
17:12<fancyladd>'ve still got the same problem: no ip address
17:12<sheldonh>fancyladd: note also the distribution-specific commentary about debian
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17:12<fancyladd>in the file?
17:13<sheldonh>fancyladd: in the howto i mentioned. also, see /usr/share/doc/pcmcia-cs/README.Debian
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17:13<sheldonh>fancyladd: other than that, i have no idea :)
17:14<fancyladd>sheldonh: thanks. i have no idea either. i'll look around some more
17:14<sheldonh>bed time for me, i'm not watching this backup complete :)
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17:15<fancyladd>where are u sheldonh?
17:15<fancyladd>whereis MA?
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17:16<peterS>MA is Morocco, not that sheldonh is there
17:16<chealer>gcosmin: depends on your problem
17:17<chealer>fancyladd: what do you mean by MA?
17:17<fancyladd>peterS; thanks
17:18<peterS>also, in the context of the United States, MA is Massachusetts
17:18<gcosmin>chealer, don't know how to make my wireless to work
17:20<tcsetattr>*** on irc via server (Waltham, MA, USA)
17:20<tcsetattr>that's not where he is, just the irc server
17:20<tcsetattr>if that's where you got it from
17:20<fancyladd>yeah i got it from whois
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17:22<chealer>gcosmin: someone can probably help, depending on your chipset and the connection you want
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17:27<fancyladd>is the guy who knew about cabin boy still here?
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17:29<peterS>you mean dbldtx?
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17:36<fancyladd>yeah dbldtx
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17:46<fancyladd>has anyone taken the lpi 102 exam?
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17:47[~]piper is back.
17:48<lupine_85>oh noes!
17:49<iantlopp>and I'm back too.. anyone knowledgeable about broadcom wireless cards?
17:49<iantlopp>I'm having some major problems with it in bootup, and afterwards as well.
17:49<lupine_85>have you put the firmware in /lib/firmware, and are using the bcm43xx kernel module
17:49<iantlopp>it works well, once I get everything set, but I can't even fully configure it using iwconfig
17:49<iantlopp>yes, and yes..
17:50<piper>fancyladd: if you have an account with LPI101 you can take the sims for 102
17:50<lupine_85>ah, good good. Are you configuring it using /etc/network/interfaces ?
17:50<iantlopp>but it tries to initialize the card for about 15 seconds during bootup, and fails, then when I get into X I've gotta go through a combination of using iwconfig and the Networking applet in Desktop-Administration to get it to function.
17:50<lupine_85>(e.g. with wireless-* clauses)
17:51<iantlopp>lupine: haven't messed with that...
17:51<piper>fancyladd: been a while unless things have changed
17:51<iantlopp>I'm currently on the wireless...
17:52<lupine_85>if you add it as an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, you can configure it as a normal one. Commands can be passed to iwconfig by using wireless-<option> <value> (e.g. wireless-essid zomg)
17:52<lupine_85>With my ralink card, I tended to also have a pre-up iwlist <interface> <scan> as wel
17:52<iantlopp>well I change the essid just by "iwconfig eth0 essid "MyWiFi" "
17:53<lupine_85>yep, but right now you have to do that every time you boot. If it's in /etc/network/interfaces, it's done automagically
17:53<lupine_85>what sort of wireless encryption are you using?
17:53<iantlopp>okay... give me a moment.
17:53<iantlopp>WEP 128
17:53<iantlopp>can't go to WPA atm
17:53<lupine_85>you'll want to make switching to WPA a high priority :). But you can do wireless-key <key> in /etc/network/interfaces as well
17:54<iantlopp>'sides I watch my wireless constantly... I have it log all activity so I can see if people are getting on that I don't want..
17:54<lupine_85>(make sure it's not readable by anyone but root, of course)
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17:54<iantlopp>and I don't think I'll be able to switch to WPA for quite some time... I have devices that simply don't support it.
17:55<lupine_85>adding explicit configuration options should prevent the hang on bootup (which I assume is dhclient failing because you're not connected)
17:56<iantlopp>is there any way to add a number of different APs to the list, so that it'll go through the list trying to find one, then stay disconnected if no trusted ones are found?
17:57<iantlopp>and it looks like the Networking applet in Desktop-Administration modifies the interfaces file... that applet can't seem to change the key though, oddly.
17:57<lupine_85>hmm. I would make a pre-up script that does iwlist scan, cuts the AP out and puts it in an environment variable. You should then be able to use wireless-essid $ENV_VAR
17:57<iantlopp>that sounds like fun... will work on that later..
17:57<lupine_85>well. A mix of grep and cut, probably
17:58<iantlopp>eh, I'm used to messing around with Command Prompt batch in WinXP, so, while there's something to learn here, it shouldn't be too difficult once I get other things set...
17:58<lupine_85>I'm not sure what the "networking" applet does, so you'd have to work that out for yourself
17:58<iantlopp>for now, i'm going to fix interfaces to the current AP i'm on, restart, and see if things are cleared up.
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17:58<iantlopp>lupine: it's the default networking applet installed with Debian.
17:59<iantlopp>err... Debian Stable...
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17:59<lupine_85>mm, I don't have it installed
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18:00<iantlopp>I'd just as soon get rid of it and get something... a bit more robust anyway... I want something like WiFiFoFum, or Netstumbler that can also manage wireless...
18:00<lupine_85>iantlopp: something like "export MY_ESSID=$(iwlist <options> | grep "indentifyingsubstring" | cut -d ' ' -f 2)" would be what you want
18:00<iantlopp>dunno if it exists, but after I get things fixed, I'll try it out.
18:01<iantlopp>I think I'm going to like grep :) reminds me of a *VERY* robust form of something I used to use in a for loop in Command Prompt.
18:01<lupine_85>where "identifyingsubstring" is a bit of text that only appears on lines that also have ESSIDs; and cut -d ' ' shows the seperation of fields in that line (spaces or tabs). -f 2 would return the second field, by the standards of the given delimeter
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18:01<lupine_85>The linux command line is so stupidly powerful, it's great :)
18:02<tcsetattr>awk '/match/{print $2}'
18:02<iantlopp>lupine: very very true... I'm learning this more and more... and loving it... just got a LOT to learn though.
18:02<lupine_85>...or you could use awk, something I never do...
18:02<lupine_85>not 1337 enough :)
18:03<iantlopp>you'd cry seeing some of dos batch scripts... I've got one that's over 50k designed to replace one line of code... another that's about 98k now that (almost) finds a media card inserted into the machine.
18:04<iantlopp>what's awk? (I already like Grep, sounds very easy to use)
18:04<iantlopp>(oh gawd... just remembered the 200 level nested if statement I wrote a few years back)
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18:07<iantlopp>umm... are there supposed to be two lines that say "wireless-key" on interfaces?
18:07<iantlopp>err... one sais "wireless-key" and the other says "wireless-key1"
18:08<iantlopp>says, rather
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18:24<rjbase89>Hi again. I am running Etch 4.0 and I need to upgrade the kernel. I need to have support for ipw3945 wireless but I don't have internet access right now for the linux box (because I dont have support for 3945) How can I upgrade to the necessary kernel without direct internet access?
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18:40<mudge>hello, i just installed debian, but my sound is really low, any recommendations on turning it up?
18:41<mudge>anyone in here?
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18:54<tcsetattr>there are many sound volume control utilities (mixers) in debian. I use aumix
18:59<peterrooney>mudge: for command line, try cam package.
18:59<Knorrie>mudge is already gone
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19:10<Requiem>what happened to the bot?
19:10<Requiem>!simple sid backports
19:10<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
19:10<Requiem>there it is
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19:24<christian>how can i open an archive witch ends like *.tar.Z ?
19:24<dendrite>christian: Try tar tvZf <file>
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19:25<dendrite>christian: If that lists it and is what you want, then replace the 't' with 'x'
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19:25<dendrite>christian: ('t' is tell, 'x' is extract; Z says feed through uncompress.
19:25<christian>dendrite: i try this
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19:26<Requiem>.Z is a tricky one, and heavily depreciated
19:26<dendrite>Yeah, .gz or tgz is much more common...
19:26<Requiem>only tool I ever found for it was meant for DOS
19:27<dendrite>Requiem: uncompress..
19:27<Zathras>hi. Running AMD64 Debian Etch. I want to install modules in/from within Eclipse. I want to do so at /usr/local/lib but I get permission errors. Root cannot logon to desktop by default. How should I procede?
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19:28<Knorrie>Zathras: yes, that's a nasty one, try getting a root shell and start eclipse from the commandline
19:28<Zathras>su gives commandline. Not a gui
19:28<Knorrie>that doesn't matter
19:28<Knorrie>eclipse &
19:28<Knorrie>and it will run on your desktop as (!!) root
19:28<dendrite>Zathras: You are talking about installing Linux kernel modules?
19:29<Knorrie>dendrite: eclipse
19:29<chealer>Zathras: you only need to do file manipulation?
19:30<Zathras>Knorrie, it has been a while, but should I not give rights to access my X display
19:30<Knorrie>Zathras: root can do all it wants
19:30<Zathras>wierd thing is I added myself to group "staff' which owns /usr/local/lib/eclipse
19:30<Zathras>that is not enough apperently
19:31<Zathras>(eclipse:13433): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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19:32<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as root. aptitude install sux and documentation at . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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19:33<christian>gzip -d [file] :) thx
19:33<Zathras>tcsetattr, cool! sux definitly does not suck. Thanks!
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19:35<tcsetattr>actually it does suck. root should only run things that have been well scrutinized for security problems. big libraries like gtk certainly not included
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19:48<patricio>hey guys......when I boot, I get an error about their being 'no pre-built modules' and also tells me that it requires a C compiler and proper kernel sources to be installed.......and 'module build failed'.......this is from /var/log/boot
19:49<patricio>I am running 2.6.21.-2-686
19:49<panagos>/q dpkg
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19:51<panagos>okay, this is weird... but can someone please tell me what my nickname looks to be? thanks :)
19:52<tcsetattr>it's panagos
19:53<panagos>tcsetattr: thank you! i was trying out gaim and to me it says panagos-irc o_O
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19:53<patricio>tcsetattr: do you have any idea about my issue that I have encountered?
19:55<tcsetattr>sounds crazy to me. I can't imagine why you'd be building modules during boot.
19:57<patricio>tcsetattr: I can paste the section from the bootlog file that is in question, would you take a look and give me your opinion?
19:58<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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19:59<patricio>tcsetattr: here is the info...........
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20:01<tcsetattr>Please examine the log file "/var/run/dldrconfig-buildlog.txt" to determine why.
20:01<tcsetattr>that stuff looks totally unfamiliar to me.
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20:02<patricio>tcsetattr: here is the txt file..........
20:02<tcsetattr>I don't know what "Saving VESA state" means, or whether it's related to the messages that follow
20:03<tcsetattr>oh it's that "CONFIG_NO_HZ is currently not supported" again.
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20:05<patricio>tcsetattr: you have seen that before?
20:05<tcsetattr>didn't I see it from you yesterday? maybe it was somebody else.
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20:33<tinman47>someone help...
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20:36<mikegrb>!tell tinman47 about ask
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20:36<shifty>can some 1 tell me how to intall gtk2 and xchat?=
20:36<mikegrb>apt-get install xchat?
20:36<shifty>i want to compile it
20:37<shifty>but i get: Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built.
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20:38<mikegrb>why not use the package>
20:38<tinman47>Sorry about the pause, uh I got a Bash script. And its not working.
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20:38<shifty>i want the newest vers.
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20:40<tinman47>8kb Bash Script. Don't know whats wrong with it. Need help.
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20:41<Supaplex>!tell shifty -about backports
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20:42<chealer>Supaplex: there are no backports for the newest xchat version.
20:42<Supaplex>then /msg dpkg simple sid backport
20:43<Supaplex>failing that, pitch in. software doesn't make itself. or if you'd rather build your own, deinstall the packaged version, and go to the source. yay /usr/local/
20:44<shifty>i only want to compile the newest xchat ver. ... how can i do that?
20:45<chealer>Supaplex: the newest xchat version is not in sid neither.
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20:45<chealer>shifty: install libgtk2.0-0
20:46<shifty>already installed
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20:46<chealer>shifty: then gtk2 is already installed.
20:46<Supaplex>if you don't want to bother with uupdate, grab tarballs from the websites, extract, ./configure ; make ; sudo make install (read the INSTALL's for better docs)
20:46<chealer>shifty: for the rest, ask #xchat
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20:46<shifty>ok... and where?
20:46<chealer>shifty: on freenode
20:46<shifty>k ... thx
20:47<mikegrb>it's a chat network with a protocol kind of like irc
20:47<Supaplex>kind of?
20:47<mikegrb>"there aren't any rfcs for irc we can do whatever we want"
20:48<shifty>chealer adress?
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20:48<Supaplex>because they extended it, it's not so ... right.
20:48<peterS>actually they prefer (:
20:48<mikegrb>because it isn't really irc ;)
20:48<mikegrb>Supaplex: I prefer s/extended/broke/
20:49<peterS>you referring to /remove?
20:49<peterS>(it's like /kick but it doesn't tell the client it has been kicked, so the client won't bounce right back in)
20:49<Supaplex>shifty: or google xchat, first his is use download. go to source tarballs. download source. tar xf xchat*bz2 ; cd xchat*/ ; read INSTALL (uninstall debian's xchat prior to make install). be happy.
20:50<shifty>i try it
20:50<mikegrb>peterS: stupid... didn't know of this one but just one of many stupid things they do
20:50<Supaplex>s/first his/first hit/
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20:50<peterS>mikegrb: shrug - I don't use it, I just use kick. the bounce back in problem is easy enough to avoid, by banning before kicking
20:50[~]mikegrb nods
20:51<mikegrb>I just avoid their chat network
20:51<tcsetattr>and this is the real IRC? /me looks at all the longer-than-9 nicks
20:51<Supaplex>yeah, that'll stick it to em.
20:51<mikegrb>I tried it again after lilo was gone and it was a little bit better for a short time
20:51<mikegrb>but anyway, a bit offtopic for #debian ;)
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20:51<peterS>if you want real original RFC-compliant irc, presumably you don't want nickserv or chanserv either
20:52<nightstalker>Moin Moin
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20:52<peterS>but I find those bots to be revolutionary in terms of not having to waste time fighting kiddies who want to own your nick or your channel
20:52<tcsetattr>obviously. I've already gone over how nickserv is stupid.
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20:52<nightstalker>Iss this a Englisch spoken channel ??
20:52<chealer>nightstalker: yes
20:53<nightstalker>Okay i should read the dokumetation I think
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20:53<tcsetattr>there haven't really been nick wars ever since timestamping was added to allow the older client to survive a collision. nickserv is now an over-solution to a non-problem
20:53<Supaplex>because ddos is history?
20:53<Requiem>okay, I'm getting fun error
20:54<Requiem>Every time something tries to change my resolution, my X server restarts
20:54<shifty>but how is it possible that i get Building GTK+ Interface .... : no if its installed?!?
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20:55<Supaplex>shifty: you get that while compiling gtk?
20:55<nightstalker>I hope it iss Okay if I read what the members write here I think I can learn something
20:55<chealer>shifty: you must be missing the GTK+ development files
20:55<chealer>Supaplex: xchat
20:55<shifty>no xchat
20:55<nightstalker>What do you diskuss
20:55<shifty>i just got Cannot find GTK! Not building GTK FrontEnd.
20:55<tcsetattr>when you're not on IRC, there is nothing wrong with someone else having the same nick. you don't own it. it's temporary. that's how IRC is.
20:55<chealer>nightstalker: no problem. this channel is about Debian support.
20:55<Supaplex>shifty: are the dev libs installed?
20:56[~]Supaplex downloads source
20:56<nightstalker>Debian iss running @ my second maschine
20:56<nightstalker>I'am interestet
20:56<shifty>how can i check?
20:56<nightstalker>Thank you
20:57<Supaplex>shifty: apt-get build-dep xchat
20:57<nightstalker>chealer where do you live
20:57<shifty>already done
20:58<Supaplex>shifty: then yes, it's installed. 1m
20:58<shifty>why doesnt it work?
20:58<chealer>nightstalker: I live in Canada, but this is not a social channel.
20:58<nightstalker>Okay sorry
20:59<chealer>shifty: is libgtk2.0-dev installed?
20:59<Supaplex>shifty: did you see this in the log? Cannot find GTK! Not building GTK FrontEnd.
20:59<nightstalker>chealer can I use with Xchat Jabber Servers too
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21:00<chealer>nightstalker: I don't know what a Xchat Jabber Server is
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21:00<Supaplex>shifty: I get the same issue, because of this: checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.10.0... no
21:00<chealer>shifty: what did you truncate from the error message?
21:00<nightstalker>I check it out
21:00[~]jagerman wonders why shifty is compiling xchat
21:00<Supaplex>my libgtk2.0-dev is 2.8.20-7 (for now)
21:00<Supaplex>!sns syndrome
21:00<dpkg>rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
21:01<Supaplex>(my guess)
21:01<jagerman>I thought those people ran for the Gentoo hills, though.
21:01<Snapser>oh noes~ compiling
21:01<jagerman>shifty: Just out of curiousity, why are you compiling xchat?
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21:02<shifty>because i want the newest version ...
21:02<jagerman>sns indeed :(
21:02<rickbot>why not grab it from sid?
21:02<chealer>shifty: you wrote "Building GTK+ Interface .... : no" but I suppose that's not the real output
21:02<chealer>rickbot: it's not in sid
21:03<jagerman>Ah, because sid only has 2.8.2 but obviously he needs 2.8.4
21:03<shifty>checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.10.0... no
21:03<shifty>*** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
21:03<shifty>*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
21:03<shifty>*** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
21:03<shifty>Cannot find GTK! Not building GTK FrontEnd.
21:03|-|mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
21:03|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*] by peterS
21:03<peterS>thank you for not pasting
21:03|-|mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
21:03<Supaplex>!tell shifty -about paste
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21:04|-|mode/#debian [-b *!*] by peterS
21:04<shifty>ok sry
21:04|-|mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
21:04[~]Supaplex should debootstrap a sid vserver humm...
21:04<peterS>I gave you the +b temporarily in case your paste buffer still had a bunch of stuff in it
21:04[~]jagerman wonders if peterS automates that, but doesn't have the balls to find out :)
21:04<peterS>heh. I run a script to do the +o, +b, -o thing, but I don't have a script to call it automatically on pastes...
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21:06<Snapser>omg~ secret hidden operators~
21:06<chealer>shifty: you don't have version >= 2.10.0 of the GTK+ development files installed.
21:06<jagerman>Those are the best kind
21:06<Snapser>*pokes peterS*
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21:06<Snapser>*runs away*
21:06<shifty>ok ... how do i install them?
21:07<peterS>fyi, on irc if you want to *do an action* the recommended way is the "/me" feature, found in most irc clients with a command called /me
21:07[~]Supaplex wonders what'll break !!
21:07<jagerman>*fears new commands*
21:08[~]rickbot too!
21:09<Supaplex>!scare jagerman
21:09[~]dpkg swiftly pops a paper sack behind jagerman! HAH! made you jump!
21:09<jagerman>shifty: Have you considered upgrading to testing, since you evidentally want newer software?
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21:09<shifty>how do i do that?
21:09<peterS>it's actually still 3 hours prior to Sunday, in my temporal jurisdiction. not that I can tell.
21:09<Supaplex>with care.
21:10<Supaplex>Requiem: how was UTOSC?
21:10<dpkg>rumour has it, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release.
21:10<chealer>!tell shifty about e2l
21:10<peterS>what is UTOSC? Use The, OMG, Source Code?
21:10<Requiem>Supaplex: Huh?
21:11<Supaplex>freenode #utos
21:11<Supaplex>I guess Requiem missed this year. :)
21:11<dli>!tell dli about e21
21:11<Requiem>found out about that a couple days late
21:11<Supaplex>ewps :p
21:11<jagerman>UFO Social Club with a typo?
21:11<Requiem>peterS: Utah open source conference
21:12<Requiem>anybody know how to keep X from crashing whenever the resolution changes?
21:12<Supaplex>don't move your arm like that
21:12<jagerman>Ah, so I was only one state east.
21:12<Supaplex>Requiem: have any logs?
21:13<Requiem>hrm, maybe
21:14<peterS>e21? is that anything like e17?
21:14<chealer>dli: etch to lenny
21:14<Requiem>the xsession-errors log has nothing relevant
21:15<peterS>Requiem: the usual log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:15<dli>chealer, sorry, misread :(
21:15<chealer>dli: no problem. I blame your font :)
21:17<Supaplex>note to self. check for files before traveling cross county...
21:17<Requiem>ton of stuff in here
21:17<jagerman>Check for directories, too.
21:17<Requiem>any idea how to find something relevant?
21:17<jagerman>Requiem: Look for "EE"
21:18<dli>chealer, oh, switched back to Times New Roman
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21:19<Requiem>(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
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21:20<jagerman>You're looking at it just after a crash, before you start it up again?
21:21<Supaplex>!lart DRI incapable Screens
21:21[~]dpkg --purges DRI incapable Screens
21:21<Requiem>it starts itself back up automatically
21:21<Supaplex>how are you changing the resolution?
21:21<jagerman>How about /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old then?
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21:21<Requiem>either through KDE's tools, or a Game that changes it for it's own purposes
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21:22<Requiem>Fatal Server Error
21:22<jagerman>What's before that?
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21:23<dli>what would cause kde to display a volume meter on top? hiding everything behind. couldn't move or close the meter
21:24<chealer>dli: is it kmix?
21:25<dli>chealer, my friend called me for help. I asked her to remove kmix and restarted kde, the same
21:26<dli>chealer, eventually, I asked her to switch to gnome. because I couldn't imagine what's going on with kde
21:26[~]Supaplex waits seemingly forever on sync() .oO( Hellooooo usb flash... )
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21:26<jagerman>Hey peterS, what would it take for someone to fix 344162?
21:26<jagerman>I posted a working fix for it over a year ago :(
21:27<dli>chealer, I will ask her to move away ~/.kde and try one more time
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21:30<chealer>dli: ask #debian-kde. it could be helpful to have a screenshot
21:31<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:31<dli>chealer, thanks
21:32<Supaplex>uh... I think umount is dain brammaged. system is 40-60% use, user takes up the balance. 0% idle. umount is in the D state for like 5+ minutes now, and strace shows no further activity thus far.
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21:33<Supaplex>usb activity light is on. previously I rsynced ~ 800mb onto it.
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21:34<Supaplex>oh sure now it completes.
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21:36<Snapser>I want a good adventure/rpg game~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
21:36<Supaplex>like nethack?
21:37<Snapser>without MMO
21:38<Supaplex>so network notepad is out of the question?
21:38<Supaplex>no irc for you!
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21:39<dli>Supaplex, D is defunct, right?
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21:39<Supaplex>dli: as in Disk i/o
21:39<kurumin_>Alguém aí fala português?
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21:52<darius>hey folks
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22:01<kurumin>join #sex
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22:04<Ming>morning guys
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22:06<Ming>i have 2 nics in my etch 40r0 system, and need to removed one of them
22:06<Ming>unfortunetly it doesnt detect the second one
22:07<Ming>hopfully this is not a hardware problem
22:07<Ming>i think its just the cofig
22:07<Ming>where is the config file that defines the network adapters?
22:08<Ming>like eth0 etc
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22:08<klys>in /etc/modules and /etc/i
22:08<Ming>thanks klys
22:08<klys>in /etc/network/interfaces
22:08<klys>not /etc/i
22:08<Ming>nice one
22:09<Ming>innit, was abit confused there:P
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22:23<kurumin>\j #help
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22:25<kurumin>alguem do brasil??
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22:26<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:26<kurumin>I brasil linux user
22:26<dendrite>kurumin: Or speak English here. :-)
22:28<moicano>kurumin VOA daqui
22:28<kurumin>foda-se filho da puta
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22:30<ameyer>should I !ops?
22:30<ameyer>that was way too many byes
22:30<dendrite>ameyer: It's over now.
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22:31<ameyer>I'm surprised floodserv didn't kline *!*@*
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22:41<redspotted>joer me pirerdo en el topic
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22:41<redspotted>k ierda
22:41<redspotted>nose nada
22:42<redspotted>seguro que alguien me ayuda
22:42<redspotted>debian lenny en sata
22:43<redspotted>o un besio en la bopca?
22:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:43<redspotted>dpkg -ix ok
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22:44<redspotted> tu mensaje ha sido dfe mu cha ayuda
22:44<redspotted>ode ninguna
22:44<klys>dpkg -x file.deb /path
22:45<klys>dpkg -iGREB file.deb
22:45<redspotted>ok ok
22:45<redspotted>me pierdo
22:45<redspotted>ademas ya paso
22:45<redspotted>no tengo ese pc
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22:45<redspotted>lo intente con el
22:46<redspotted>era un compaq presario 2159ES
22:46<redspotted>de media mark
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22:46<redspotted>lo iento
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22:49<Arron>has anyone got autofs to work? no matter what i try, i still have no luck
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22:57<dpkg>i guess en is english
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22:59<redspotted>hi dpkg
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23:10<ioport>hello, what filesystem recomend for a partition of 400gb?
23:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>.
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23:13<chealer>ioport: I don't think size changes the preferred filesystem significantly
23:14<ioport>i use ext3
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23:14<ioport>nodes i: 2856/3252 zzzzzzz
23:15<ioport>i a sata disk in a box with usb
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23:35<Brudus>This really isn't about debain. It's kinda about two things. ice weasel and totem. When I go to view an embeded video it plays that video using totem. Now in the prefrenses of toem I told it to play with VLC. Also something else with totem. The time bar doesn't move it just stays to the left. anyone know how to fix this.
23:35<jclinton>don't use totem
23:35<jclinton>uninstall totem-mozilla package and install something that actually works
23:36<jclinton>suggestions to try: mplayer-mozilla
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23:52<Arron>how can i get ivman/hal to mount a usb storage device? i get "ivman: Device /dev/sdb can't be mounted because it is not a volume" or "(ivm_device_is_mountable) Device /dev/sde1 won't be mounted because no mount policy was specified on volume or storage device and storage device does not appear to be removable" errors.
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