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00:07<rjbase89>I just tried compiling as 2.6.22 kernel and install it in Etch. The kernel hung during booting and it complained that it couldnt start the cooling fan...
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00:16<jclinton>i guess 4 minutes is all he could wait
00:17<jclinton>now he'll never get the answer...
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00:34<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
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00:37<filemover>hi im trying to find out if the kernels for lenny have wireless compiled into them by default
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00:42<darius>security question.... packages distributed by the debian mirrors havent been compiled with StackGuard or SSP correct?
00:43<dli>darius, I remember that requires libc6 >= 2.5
00:46<darius>thatd be a no then... thx
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00:49<darius>I was hoping to avoid gentoo but I missed a few details when chosing a distro that Im realising now...
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00:55<chealer>darius: correct, except possibly exceptions
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00:55<Supaplex>exceptional ones?
00:57<chealer>Supaplex: no idea. maybe some package enables it,
00:58<darius>now Im going to have to pick... to skip SSP or to switch and start my work all over again
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02:20<filemover>is it possible to use the ubuntuzilla script to install thunderbird or firefox/iceweasel in Debian
02:22<meandtheshel1>did anybody ever notice his /etc/crontab did take effect after altering? It should be that the cron daemon rereads /etc/crontab automatically ... However, that doesn't seem to be the case here. Any hints?
02:22<meandtheshel1>s/did/did not/
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02:28<fxiny>i prefere crontab -e / > /var/spool/crontab . but i'm sure when i edited /etc/crontab it worked
02:30<chealer>filemover: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
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02:31<fxiny>i can check again , gimme a minute
02:32<fxiny>we see in just a minute
02:32<fxiny>mine is a sarge crontab , never edited on etch
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02:35<fxiny>there is nothing wrong
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02:40<fxiny>on a slow machine editing default /etc/crontab makes sense
02:41<meandtheshel1>fxiny: so, you changed your /etc/crontab on etch and the changes got picked up by cron daemon automatically? (that's the default behavior which doesn't seem to work here ...)
02:43<filemover>fxiny: because i want to get the latest mozilla release and i know the script does it for ubuntu and kubuntu and im thinking why shouldnt it work for Debian
02:43<fxiny>meandtheshel1: yes , it picks up the changes at the next minute : can you paste yours so we can check it ?
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02:45<fxiny>filemover: i'm happy with debian iceweasel and i trust *only* debian security team : that's why i sleep dreaming like a bay :)
02:45<filemover>i get it now: the light suddenly comes on!
02:46<valdyn>filemover: why not just follow the instructions at for installing it?
02:46<filemover>yeah i thought as much
02:46<filemover>but i thought the script might do it
02:47<filemover>its such a good thing in ubuntu if youve ever used it
02:47<filemover>but Im pretty much liking Debian now there seems more flexibility here
02:47<valdyn>filemover: it might
02:47<fxiny>meandtheshel1: 17 * it will start at 17 minutes past the hours . check it like 17 9 *** assuming know is 16 9 ***
02:48<filemover>ill give it a go with thunderbird and post my results here
02:48<filemover>im happy with iceweasel
02:48<filemover>so i wont worry about that
02:48<meandtheshel1>fxiny: as I said, doesn't work - I already tried
02:49<valdyn>filemover: and icedove?
02:49<filemover>i havnt tried that yet
02:49<filemover>whats icedove
02:49<valdyn>filemover: that's thunderbird rebranded
02:49<valdyn>filemover: it's a license issue, the actual software is not significantly different, just name and branding
02:50<filemover>what ever the name the extensions for all the mozilla fleet are so powerful
02:50<filemover>yeah i read about it at debian
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02:50<fxiny>meandtheshel1: ok : this is my line : 45 17 * * * root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
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02:51<filemover>im using foxyproxy in iceweazel and its just perfect with tor
02:51<chealer>valdyn: do the logos even have a license?
02:52<fxiny>filemover: tor ? there is a firefox tor button extension
02:52<filemover>so debian cant use the software
02:52<filemover>yeah ive used the torbutton but i like to switch proxies arround and add rules so foxyproxy is great for me
02:53<filemover>u think mozilla would just let it slide
02:53<meandtheshel1>fxiny: yeah, mine is from sid but in essence they're the same ...
02:53<filemover>its such a petty issue
02:54<fxiny>meandtheshel1: sid ? so it could be some kind of a bug
02:54<meandtheshel1>fxiny: what's your permissions on /etc/crontab?
02:54<meandtheshel1>yes, maybe a bug ...
02:54<fxiny>meandtheshel1: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
02:55<meandtheshel1>that's ok
02:55<meandtheshel1>same here (of course)
02:56<fxiny>meandtheshel1: what about a trivial user script run by crontab -e ?
02:56<meandtheshel1>nope, no effect as well ...
02:57<fxiny>bad news
02:57<meandtheshel1>no, that's fun news :)
02:57<fxiny>i will die in a minute without crontabs
02:57<meandtheshel1>doesn't bother an old DebianGNU/Linux chap ...
02:58<fxiny>a old chap ? heheheheh
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02:58<meandtheshel1>fxiny: well they work, it's just crontrab triggers things at times that where in crontab as Debian ships it
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03:00<fxiny>meandtheshel1: i love cron . i have a six lines user crontab running some gazillions scripts : i'm planning to add more :)
03:00<fxiny>i love the syntax too : pretty nice lines like */6 9-18 * * 1-5
03:01<meandtheshel1>fxiny: that's lovely - I don't love it - I suppose it to work as expected :)
03:02<meandtheshel1>well, it's just on this particular box that cron behaves like a retard ... the others work well ... I am going to investigate after brunch ... - thank you for trying to figure!
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03:03<fxiny>meandtheshel1: np : keep on rolling :)
03:03<meandtheshel1>will do ;-]
03:03<fxiny>meandtheshel1: i stick to etch :)
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03:45<meandtheshel1>fxiny: can you reproduce this?
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03:47<MrWGW>good evening
03:47<MrWGW>or morning rather
03:48<MrWGW>is there a way to track a dynamic IP address remotely? My Internet connection here gives me a dynamic address, but I'd really like to be able to SSH into my server and access my stuff while there a safe and secure way of tracking it?
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03:50<bartm>can I format a swap partition with a list of known bad blocks? I'm familiar with doing that for ext3 partitions
03:50<fxiny>meandtheshel1: checking it
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03:51<padski>openoffice cheerfully tells me that "the folder you selected does not contain a java runtime enviroment" when I point it at my ibm java :-(
03:53<streuner_>MrWGW: How about
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03:55<streuner_>MrWGW: dynamic DNS is possible, so just get a domain and you dont need to use IPs then
03:56<padski>and what is the point of "sun-java5-jre depends on sun-java5-bin or ia32-sun-java5-bin,ia32-sun-java5-bin does not appear to be available" why have the sun-java5-jre package *at all* on a platform where it can't ever be installed ?
03:58<padski>oh, its "Architecture: all".
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04:00<padski>what java will openoffice work with ?
04:00<padski>(without java basic stuff like "export as HTML" stops working)
04:01<fxiny>meandtheshel1: looks confused : first of all i don't call days like Sun but i use 7 instead . what is the sense of echoing : */20 * * * Sun echo Every Sunday ?
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04:03<meandtheshel1>well, every /etc/crontab has its sense (or not :) - I am just interested if you could bring the cron daemon to acting dump (not being able to parse lines; as shown in the manual)
04:06<sheldonh>i'm pretty sure i've run into cron implementations that don't support blank lines
04:07<fxiny>meandtheshel1: do you mean like getting cron to display pages on iceweasel ? i call a DISPLAY:0 bash script for it . i don't like confused crontabs lines , just a > /dev/null 2>&1 at the end . pure cron syntax works fine . i call bash or perl scripts
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04:07<fxiny>cron is not dumb
04:07<sheldonh>fxiny: it's had its moments (e.g. lost jobs in daylight savings switch-overs) :)
04:09<meandtheshel1>it seems to be pretty dump here - e.g. does "#BAD example" work for you? (the first one on the page)
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04:10<fxiny>sheldonh: that's not cron , is the stupid daylight : computers don't have eyes so they donb't care about human need for daylight saving
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04:10<fxiny>meandtheshel1: ok , i'll check a bad one
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04:13<padski>what java will openoffice work with ?
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04:16<fxiny>meandtheshel1: the superdumb : 0 * * * * echo Every hour! , works
04:17<lupine_85>anacron ftw
04:18<sheldonh>fxiny: that's one perspective. paul vixie himself saw it as a shortcoming in cron. that's another perspective :)
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04:19<sheldonh>how exciting. 10 hours later, this backup looks set to complete successfully for the first time in more than two weeks
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04:21<sheldonh>backupninja ftw
04:23<fxiny>sheldonh: he's wrong in priciple : he should think like a mech or he should not call it cron : cron is a god not a daemon . cron rulez : it never slows down nor it stops . time is a human illusion . i myself hate this babilonian crap 12 based numeric sh*t , but this is another pespective :)
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04:24<fxiny>i don't think a mech should care when the world governement ask for an extra hour to send slaves mining
04:24<padski>are there actually #debianppc or #debian-oo channels ?
04:25<sheldonh>fxiny: um... :) i think you'll find that paul vixie > cron
04:25<gsimmons>padski: There's a #debianppc on OFTC.
04:25<fxiny>sheldonh: of course i respect him : we are just playing :)
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04:26<padski>gsimmons, thanks!
04:26<sheldonh>fxiny: you're way too bouncy in the mornings :)
04:26<franklin>padski, if you don't find it here, you could have a look on (former network)
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04:26<fxiny>sheldonh: heheheh : i welcome any chance to kick this tragedy ass we are all living in :)
04:27<padski>gsimmons, hang on ... this is OFTC and it tells me "debianppc :Illegal channel name"
04:27<padski>franklin, thanks, I already looked on freenode too :-(
04:27<gsimmons>padski: Uh, #debianppc works for me.
04:28<padski>gsimmons, sorry, I think I was missing out the # d'oh!
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04:30<fxiny>meandtheshel1: this dumb vercose syntax works : 0 12,13,14,15,16 * * 1,2,3,4,5 . this is more elegant and it works as well : 0-16 * * 1-5 . i don't add anything but a > /dev/null 2>&1 on crontab lines . i call bash or perl scripts from there
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04:36<MrWGW>ty strenuer
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04:41<fxiny>sheldonh: i forgot : after ten hours ? what backup app are you using ?
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04:43<sheldonh>fxiny: backupninja driving a local svnhotbackup, a local rdiff-backup, and a remote rsync
04:44<sheldonh>fxiny: 70GB of data, slow storage
04:44<sheldonh>it succeded! 654 minutes
04:46<sheldonh>right, so that's the initial backup. now let's see how long a successive backup takes. i reckon 1.5 hours
04:46<fxiny>sheldonh: slow storage ? on my old box i have big problems running ssh , yesterday i made a full backup and then i installed hdparm trying to fix something : same performances if not worse !
04:47<sheldonh>fxiny: have you checked for signs of a failing disk?
04:48<fxiny>sheldonh: they are ok : i believe etch ssh is a pig , i'm using vsftp on my backup box
04:48<meandtheshel1>fxiny: ok - so it seems to work fine on etch - thank you for investigating
04:48<sheldonh>fxiny: ssh is a pig on older cpus, yeah
04:49<sheldonh>fxiny: may help to turn off compression
04:49<fxiny>meandtheshel1: sid does not like music : he ain't got sense of time :)
04:49<fxiny>sheldonh: nice tip !
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04:49<fxiny>sheldonh: bloody nice !
04:50<fxiny>sheldonh: i dont' trust ftp : i'm f* md5summing all my big files !
04:50<meandtheshel1>well, I don't understand the "music" thing with regards to cron but ... as I said - thank you :)
04:51<fxiny>meandtheshel1: me too : sometimes the muse talk rubbish :)
04:51<meandtheshel1>only real muse I know about is muse.el
04:51<meandtheshel1>fxiny: you're from the uk?
04:51<meandtheshel1>slang makes me think so ...
04:52<fxiny>meandtheshel1: i've been there :)
04:52<meandtheshel1>I see - now back in Germany I assume
04:52<fxiny>meandtheshel1: nahh : in a banana republic :)
04:53[~]meandtheshel1 likes bananas too - seriously! ;-]
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04:56<fxiny>i can think of banana split . if i think twice i think about the "banana split lady" line ...
04:56<fxiny>and then i cry :)
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04:58<fxiny>sheldonh: i cannot find anything about compression on /etc/ssh/*
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05:00<aptituz>hm.. i wonder what would be the best way to find out which python package contains a specific python module
05:01<aptituz>like in: python app a has an import foo statement, but python-foo is not the package i'm searching for (either cause it does not exist, or because it does not contain the module)
05:01<fxiny>apt-file ?
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05:01<aptituz>so what filename to search for then?
05:02<aptituz> ?
05:02<aptituz>i'm not sure if that will lead me to the proper result
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05:24<Levon>can i use kernel under etch
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05:27<padski>Levon, you may find some kernel related tools that could use upgrading. Look at the kernel documentation for versions.
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05:28<Levon>padski im building the system
05:28<padski>for example, my .22 kernel seems to be happier with the wireless-tools package that is in sid/lenny
05:28<Levon>aww i c
05:28<padski>Levon, I gathered that :-)
05:28<Levon>padski can i use 2.4 kernel under etch? dont ask why but is it possible
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05:29<Levon>not to be rude but i get alot of questions like why are you gona do that its stupid
05:29<padski>Levon, for some values of "under etch" but I think it is a stretch.
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05:29<Levon>padski thank you for the strieght answer
05:29<Levon>:) that makes me happy
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05:30<padski>Levon, for example etch is udev based, but 2.4 was devfs ?
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05:30<Levon>yes im going to upgrade the kernel after i install :P
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05:31<leogenie>who can help me to fix my dpkg
05:31<Levon>im doing it this way because i need to find a 2.6-image.deb and its very hard to. therefore im going to use the 2.4.deb image to load it out then upgrade kernel later
05:31<padski>Levon, if you really wanted to run a 2.4 kernel, you might even be better off starting from woody.
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05:31<Tuplad>How do I run *.msi files on Debby ? I'm trying to install
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05:32<leogenie>who can help me to fix my dpkg
05:32<Levon>padski yes i was even thinking about running woody but i heard its real crap
05:32<ifvoid>Tuplad: that's a windows installer
05:32<ifvoid>it won't run
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05:33<Levon>leogenie do this on the internet dpkg source package usually sourceforge carries it then rebuild from scratch i saw you in another deb channel they told you the same thing
05:33<Levon>and make sure you apt-get remove dpkg
05:33<Levon>have nice day
05:33<padski>Levon, hmm... seemed fine to me. guess it depends what you are trying to do. the hardware support would be some years old now.
05:34<Tuplad>ifvoid: so no way to get steam except Cedega ?
05:34<ifvoid>possibly wine and cedega
05:34<ifvoid>but slow and annoying
05:34<leogenie>To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
05:34<leogenie> ?] Yes, do as I say!
05:34<leogenie>dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/usr/bin/status': No such device
05:34<leogenie>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
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05:35<Levon>i told you leogenie
05:35<Levon>apt-get remove dpkg
05:35<leogenie>get som errors
05:35<Levon>find the source package on google
05:35<leogenie>i givew you access to the machine
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05:35<leogenie>can you fix it
05:35<leogenie>i got the source
05:35<Levon>apt-get intstall kde-utils
05:35<TDJ>Goodmorning, I've a problem, when I start my dhcp server, I get: Failed to start dhcpd :
05:35<TDJ>Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics
05:36<leogenie>i'm sshing to the machine
05:36<Tuplad>ifvoid: aight then, thanks
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05:37<gsimmons>TDJ: You'd want to check your /var/log/syslog file then.
05:39<filemover>i want to be able to create a Debian archive DVD from all of the sources I have downloaded without installiing aptoncd are there any howtos arround or another program for kde to do this
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05:41<TDJ>He said: No subnet declaration for eth1 :P
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05:43<TDJ>any idea?
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05:43<fxiny>pppd logs : peer from calling number 00:09:B6:81:61:61 authorized , what (if) mac address is ?
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05:44<fxiny>don't say my eth , i've already checked
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06:18<madroach>Hi! I'd like to pipe the output of a 'tar cf - *' into two commands (md5sum and netcat). Any ideas how this can be done easily?
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06:19<lupine_85>madroach: you'd need to output it to a file, I think, then feed that file to the two commands
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06:21<madroach>nice. But I don't have enough space for such a big file.
06:22<madroach>What I want to do is backup a 20gig filesystem as tar.
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06:23<filemover>i want to be able to create a Debian archive DVD from all of the sources I have downloaded without installiing aptoncd are there any howtos arround or another program for kde to do this
06:23<madroach>and send this tar over netcat. But because I don't have enough space I have to compute the md5sum on the fly.
06:23<lupine_85>cor. But it can't be done - there's no way you could hold the entire file in RAM for it to be inputted into both commands
06:23<lupine_85>hmm. Needs a splitter of some sort
06:24<lupine_85>'man pipe' suggests 'see also dup(2)'
06:24<lupine_85>which sounds promising, but I don't have that manpage
06:25<fxiny>with dd is : dd if=/dev/hdxx | nc -w 5 ipnumber
06:25<fxiny>tar should work
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06:26<madroach>fxiny, ok. Thats what I do. But how do I send the output of tar to nc AND md5sum?
06:26<lupine_85>Do you have space to store the file on the remote machine?
06:27<madroach>lupine_85, yes. Thats why I send it over netcat.
06:28<lupine_85>well, send it over with netcat, then generate two md5sums - one local, one remote
06:28<lupine_85>if they match, then compress it
06:28<madroach>lupine_85, thats what I like to do.
06:28<madroach>But how?
06:28<madroach>How can I catch the output of tar and send it to nc and md5sum?
06:28<madroach>On the remove machine there is of course no problem.
06:29<lupine_85>you'd send the file first, then do the md5sum comparison manually
06:29<lupine_85>of course, netcat uses tcp by default...
06:29<fxiny>madroach: if you don't have space m5ssum it firts then tarball it . why nc ? no ftp or ssh running on the remote box ? i'd use duplicity
06:31<madroach>fxiny, I don't know how you want to accomplish this task using ftp. ssh is slow and I trust my local network. duplicity sounds promising. Thanks!
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06:32<fxiny>madroach: if you don't trust your network and your network is slow duplicity is perfect , you can turn on/off encrytion over ftp
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06:33<lupine_85>personally, I would just send the md5sum over and get Bruce Schneier to decrypt it for me at the remote end
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06:34<madroach>lupine_85, :)
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06:35<fxiny>madroach: when i move big files on my slow box to my backup i must use ftp , but i don't trust it so i md5sum * > md5sum and i check it md5sum -c md5sum
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06:36<fxiny>now . as sheldhon suggested before i'm testing scp compression off
06:36<madroach>fxiny, so you backup file by file? No tarball?
06:37<lupine_85>rsync ftw, of course
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06:37<fxiny>madroach: tarball it after you md5sum all files like md5sum > md5sum . send the dir over md5sum file included and check it on the remote
06:38<fxiny>md5sum * > md5sum
06:39<madroach>fxiny, sounds good. But I would have to untar it... Nicest would be if I could just on the fly create and check the md5sum.
06:39<fxiny>madroach: to md5sum a tarball you need it :)
06:39<madroach>anyway duplicity looks like a solution
06:41<lupine_85>hmm. dup(2) doesn't have a shell equivalent by the looks of it (though it seems to do exactly what's required)
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06:41<madroach>fxiny, no. md5sum can work as a filter. I could do for example: 'tar cf - * |md5sum; tar cf - * |nc ...' but nicer would be 'tar cf - * |md5sum | nc ...
06:42<madroach>lupine_85, no. dup won't do the job. If I gave the same fd to nc and md5sum. I would only get big mess. Because _every_ read on the fd would increment the file offset. at least IMHO.
06:44<lupine_85>hmm. eh, you're right. I fail at system calls :D
06:44<fxiny>madroach: you want to md6sum it recursively then . i think thwere is a specific md5sum for it
06:44<fxiny>i think so
06:45<fxiny>madroach: it is called md5deep
06:47<madroach>fxiny, nonono. Found what I was searching for: now I can do: tar cf - * | multipipe 'md5sum >checksum' 'nc'
06:48<fxiny>madroach: that's nice . going to check it :)
06:49<madroach>There should be something like this as syntactic sugar in my zsh...
06:49<lupine_85>hey, they actually called it multipipe, too :D
06:51<madroach>lupine_85, now guess what I googled for ;)
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06:52<lupine_85>hehe. great minds, etc
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07:29<Mannie>hi all ... i have a problem, i have s3 trio 3d/2x video card in my pc, but with s3 driver the xserver do not work =( otherwise with vesa driver yes
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07:30<Eulex>Mannie, define 'doesn't work'
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07:31<Mannie>Eulex "device not found"
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07:32<Eulex>Mannie, when trying to start X? check the X log for details.
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07:33<Mannie>Eulex the log saus the same things ... device not found ... just a moment that i start again the pc =)
07:33<Mannie>Eulex PS yes, when i startx
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07:33<Eulex>Mannie, could you paste the log?
07:34<Mannie>Eulex i'm starting the pc,, only a second please =)
07:34<Eulex>Mannie, in a pastebin, that is.
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07:39<Mannie>Eulex this is only tha latest phrase ...
07:40<Eulex>Mannie, well... why are you using the nvidia driver?
07:41<Mannie>Eulex sorry, it was only for a i repast after change
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07:42<Mannie>so sorry for the mistake =(
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07:44<Eulex>Mannie, what does lspci output?
07:44<Mannie>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c368 [Trio 3D/2X] (rev 02)
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07:46<family>how do you depmod in sidux
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07:46<lupine_85>run "depmod", I would guess
07:46<family>usually depmod -a
07:47<family>but it says requires old depmod
07:47<lupine_85>you'd probably have more luck in #sidux then
07:47<Eulex>Mannie, well, the driver doesn't say that it supports your card, right?
07:47<lupine_85>apt-file search depmod.modutils could also be handy
07:47<family>lupine they said to me that im not going to be using there system anymore so im not going to get any help
07:48<Mannie>Eulex ... so ?
07:48<lupine_85>sounds like a sensible policy on their part
07:48<Eulex>Mannie, it appears that s3virge is the driver you need.
07:49<Mannie>Eulex but the xserver crash ... so, where is the problem ?
07:49<family>oh another great one help isnt free
07:49<Mannie>ahhh, s3virge ... ok, now i try
07:49<Mannie>tnx Eulex =) wait that i say to you the responce =)
07:49<family>but any whom apt-file isnt found
07:49<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
07:50<Eulex>in any case:
07:50<dpkg>well, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
07:50<family>wow that was pretty simple apt-get install apt-file nice
07:51<lupine_85>if you think that's cool, wait 'till you see "cat"
07:51<Mannie>Eulex you are great, the x server now go great =) tnx a lot for help and sorry for the disturbance =)
07:51<Eulex>Mannie, yw :)
07:51<family>cat /proc/meminfo
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07:52<family>fdisk -l
07:52<dpkg>I'm not your fucking csh prompt.
07:52<family>all very helpful when building a installer script but the one that kicks it all to the ground sfdisk
07:53<dpkg>I'm not your fucking csh prompt.
07:53<family>haha nice
07:53<dpkg>rumour has it, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit.
07:53<lupine_85>someone's got a chip on their shoulder
07:53<family>rofl omg
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07:53<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
07:54<lupine_85>...leave the poor bot alone
07:54<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
07:54<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
07:54<family>wow this thing is loaded
07:54<family>okay thats enough
07:55<Eulex>family, you may play how much you want with dpkg in /msg
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07:56<family>lupine if i chroot . into my system im makeing and i dpkg a kernel i have to deop -a or it wont work correct
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07:57<lupine_85>not a clue
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07:58<family>hmm thats a tuffy im thinking about moving on but i always deop -a then kernel number but im not sure what the conseqences are if i dont
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08:02<family>im so stuck on that bot right now
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08:12<family>!give me a blow job
08:12[~]dpkg gives family a blow job
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08:12<family>haha i needed that now i need something else
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08:13<family>!give me a shot of vodka with a little bit of rum
08:13[~]dpkg gives family a shot of vodka with a little bit of rum
08:13<family>oh yea
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08:21<family>oh sorry
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08:33<euthymos>is there any way I can interrupt a process
08:33<euthymos>even when Ctrl+C does not work?
08:33<euthymos>there are many cases
08:34<euthymos>the application got stuck
08:34<euthymos>but Ctrl+C simply does not work
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08:38<family>!give me a blow job
08:38[~]dpkg gives family a blow job
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08:38<family>!give euthymos a blow job
08:38[~]dpkg gives euthymos a blow job
08:39<family>!/msg family hi
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08:39<family>aww doesnt work
08:39<family>!give blank a blow job
08:39[~]dpkg gives blank a blow job
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08:40<family>!give blank a beer
08:40[~]dpkg hands blank a cold beer
08:40<family>!give blank some pussy
08:40[~]dpkg gives blank some pussy
08:40<family>haha okay im out good night
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08:53<niktaris>has anyone usplash working ?
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08:58<aptituz>isn't splashy its successor?
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09:00<niktaris>aptituz, From what I know no
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09:00<niktaris>or is it ?
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09:08<_gab_>Hi, I have somewhat of a problem...I have an old Via Epia machine, if I install Debian on it, I go through the installation process fine, but when it boots first time after install, nothing happens on the screen (Deosn't even show Grub, can hear the disc, so something is going on, just without the screen working), same problem with freeBSD, but distro's with live-CD like Xubuntu works after the install (also Grub)...what could it be???
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09:18<euthymos>how can I get debian official repositories?
09:18<euthymos>I mean the entries to put into sources.list
09:20<yang>euthymos: http or ftp http://ftp.<country-code> etc.
09:20<euthymos>and then?
09:20<euthymos>isn't there anywere I can copy&paste the adresses?
09:21<yang>!tell euthymos about sources.list
09:21<euthymos>thank you yang
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09:24<juri>hi all , i have a problem after (*buntu , PClinuxOS , Fedora , Archlinux )i tried debian . but i have bog problem with my VGA ati radeon X1800GTO yes its our favourite FGLRX :) can someone help me ??
09:25<juri>and fglrx-driver is not in repozitories so i dont know :(
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09:27<Eulex>juri, yes it is, but it is in non-free
09:27<dpkg>non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
09:27<juri><non-free sources>
09:27<juri>-non-free sources
09:28<juri>#non-free sources
09:28<juri># non-free sources
09:28<_gab_>!non-free sources
09:28<dpkg>somebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
09:28<juri>!non-free sources
09:28<dpkg>i guess non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
09:30<juri>yeah but but in sources list i have this :
09:30<juri>deb etch main
09:30<juri>deb-src etch main
09:30<juri>deb etch/updates main contrib
09:30<juri>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
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09:30<juri>sorry for spam
09:30<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
09:31<juri>so , how to instal fglrx ?
09:31<gsimmons>juri: dpkg is quite clear regarding the changes you will need to make to your sources.list lines.
09:31<JasonS>well for starters you could do what dpkg said
09:31<sephice>Hey, some german speaking peopels here?
09:32<dpkg>rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
09:32<gsimmons>!tell juri -about fglrx one-liner
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09:35<_gab_>!tell _gab_ -about fglrx one-liner
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09:37<juri>shit , its shows me this: E: Nemohu najít balík fglrx-driver = it means " i cant find" but i was edited the sources
09:38<gsimmons>juri: Did you run "apt-get update" after amending your sources.list?
09:39<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
09:39<gsimmons>juri: Please provide the contents of your current /etc/apt/sources.list file one of the above pastebin sites.
09:40<juri>this ?
09:41<gsimmons>juri: You haven't included any reference to "non-free" sources. You'll need to amend this file again.
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09:44<gsimmons>juri: Something similar to <> will suffice.
09:46<juri>gsimmons : i like you ;)
09:47<juri>yeah its nice !
09:48<juri>do i have enable framebuffer in kernel ??
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09:52<fxiny>panagos: if you cannot manage vim use emacs next :P
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09:55<ales>i would like to do something in 3d graphics, is there any program?
09:55<aptituz>is it harder to manage vim over emacs? :P
09:55<lupine_85>if you want a simple text editor, use nano
09:55<lupine_85>(in console)
09:56<lupine_85>vim & emacs are powerful, but have a fair bit of a learning curve
09:56<lupine_85>ales: KPovModeler ? ;)
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09:57<ales>lupine_85: it can only do graphics, but dont know how to install materials ....and iohter thing...and i would like to do something interactive..... like walking in castle
09:59<fxiny>aptituz: it was a way to tell panagos i don't like his style . using vim is easy to fill up a file with garbage like that . vim is ok
09:59<ales>lupine_85: i tried crystalspace, but need dependencies, whose are i cant install because synaptic, cant work with sid
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09:59<aptituz>when i began with debian, i felt ae were great
10:00<lupine_85>synaptic works fine with sid
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10:00<aptituz>haven't used it for years, now
10:00<aptituz>hm. seems to be out of the archive, even
10:01<aptituz>i remember that it has been a part of the basesystem some time ago
10:01<lupine_85>of course, Real Men Use Ed
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10:01<lupine_85>or a combination of cat, grep and less
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10:01<aptituz>i remember that ae stood for anthonys editor and it was quiet simple
10:01<lupine_85>and sed
10:01<lupine_85>nano is part of the base system now, I think
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10:02<lupine_85>and there was pico before that
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10:02<aptituz>nano.. uarg
10:02<fxiny>tera is alias for qemacs
10:02<aptituz>but i understand that decision for different user
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10:02<lupine_85>it's WYSIWYG and doesn't require you know know a bunch of keyboard commands - which is good :)
10:02<fxiny>qemacs can open really huge files
10:03<lupine_85>also, it doesn't crash when editing HTML files (joe does/did segfault reproducibly when writing <html )
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10:03<fxiny>joe yeahhhh : so many editors
10:03<fxiny>mg jed
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10:04<alessko>when i have for example libc6 version 1.2.3 and need libc version 1.2.4 how can i obtain it?
10:04<lupine_85>in general, you don't play with libc6
10:04<aptituz>i can't say much about nano, except that its not vim and so it isn't my favorite
10:04<lupine_85>but you can install a particular version of a package by appending =<version> to the package name on the apt-get or aptitude install command
10:04<aptituz>one of the first things I do on a debian system is aptitude install vim along with less
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10:05<fxiny>what about installing screen ?
10:05[~]gravity ponders making a metapackage that installs less, vim | emacs, screen, etc for people
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10:06<lupine_85>gravity: you can call it should-have-been-installed-by-default-but-wasn't
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10:06<aptituz>we do that for our system installations @ work
10:06<gravity>lupine_85: console-friendly :-)
10:06<aptituz>i should consider doiong this for my private machines, too =)
10:06<lupine_85>shbibdbw (or an anagram thereof)
10:07<lupine_85>but we have tab completion, anyway
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10:07<alessko>lupine_85 i have lic6 at version 2.3.6 and one program needs version 2.5
10:08<lupine_85>alessko: and by installing 2.5, you could screw all your 2.3.6-dependent programs over. Maybe.
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10:09<alessko>lupine_85 so if i install 2.5 then program that depends on 2.3.6 cant work?
10:10<lupine_85>it seems likely
10:10<lupine_85>why not just recompile the program for libc6 2.3.6
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10:10<alessko>lupine_85 oh thanks....
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10:12<alessko>and another question: i installed povray both 3.6 and 3.5... but when i try to start povray, cant it..... running throught kdesu
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10:15<aleskoo>is there any program to program 3d grphics through text editor+ programming moving....and only engine to render it?
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10:16<gcosmin>hi all
10:16<gcosmin>can some one help me with my wireless .. ? pls
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10:16<flami>!tell gcosmin about ask
10:17<aleskoo>gcosmin: what exactly?
10:18<gcosmin>I a beginer and I wana to make my wireless to work on my laptop
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10:18<flami>1st off , what card do you have ?
10:18<gcosmin>don't know how to search after my drivers and how to put them in to work
10:19<aleskoo>gcosmin: ok, kde or gnome?
10:19<gcosmin>gnome now , but i got kde as well
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10:20<pennyk_>hi, all
10:20<pennyk_>Debian's repo pool mix packages from different release into same directory.
10:20<pennyk_>What's the advantage of doing this?
10:20<pennyk_>I think one repo pool tree for each debian version(woody/sarge/etch/...) is more natural.
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10:21<gcosmin>here is my dmesg
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10:21<pennyk_>hi, all
10:21<pennyk_>Debian's repo pool mix packages from different release into same directory.
10:21<pennyk_>What's the advantage of doing this?
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10:21<gravity>pennyk_: It saves disk space. The same package can be in multiple suites and have only one copy
10:22<gravity>pennyk_: There's probably other advantages that I'm not aware of
10:23<franklin>gcosmin, do you know what you wireless card is ?
10:24<gcosmin>franklin, no idea :(
10:24<franklin>gcosmin, if it's pci, you can use "lspci -nn" to list those devices.
10:25<gravity>I doubt they ever made a wireless card that wasn't pci
10:25<franklin>gravity, usb ?
10:25<gravity>Ah, of course
10:25<gravity>I was thinking isa, which would have been an abomination
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10:26<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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10:26<gsimmons>gcosmin: ^^^
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10:28<gcosmin>gsimmons, can you show me how my sources.list shoud look like pls?
10:29<gsimmons>!tell gcosmin -about non-free sources
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10:32<pennyk_>After I do 'apt-get update', 'apt-get install abc' will install abc's newest package. If I want to get abc's older package, what should I do?
10:32<fxiny>dpkg -i old.deb
10:32[~]dpkg removes a lung from fxiny and replaces it with old.deb
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10:32<fxiny>old super-toy dpkg !
10:33<pennyk_>fxiny: But how could I know the exact name of the older package?
10:33<pennyk_>Are there a way to get older version packages.tgz file?
10:34<fxiny>pennyk_: what youi want to do is downgrading a package . so you should know it
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10:35<ad_>/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed
10:35<ad_>does anyone have ideas on how to fix this?
10:35<ad_>the printer is a HP PhotoSmart-7260; Debian stable
10:35<fxiny>pennyk_: lists many old packages
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10:37<pennyk_>Downgrading from a later release of a package to an earlier one is not officially supported in Debian. However, you may find that you have to downgrade a specific package in order to re-install a version of a package that works when a new version malfunctions. You may find these previous package files locally in /var/cache/apt/archives/ or remotely at See also Rescue using dpkg, Section 6.3.3.
10:37<fxiny>pennyk_: or : apt-get install packagename=version
10:37<pennyk_>fxiny: thank you for your hint
10:38<fxiny>pennyk_: np
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10:38<pennyk_>fxiny: my problem is, I do not know what old version's name is. So this doesn't help
10:39<fxiny>pennyk_: browse the archive
10:39<fxiny>pennyk_: first the official one then the "archeo" snapshot
10:40<fxiny>pennyk_: i'm still using some 4 years old packages
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10:49<ad_>ah never mind, I remember now, the print test page thing from Gnome does not work, which makes me think printers are not properly installed; I really have to kick their buts about that
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10:49<gcosmin>can some one give me his sources.list
10:50<fxiny>etch ?
10:51<JasonS>gcosmin: why?
10:51<fxiny>!tell gcosmin about sources.list
10:51<gcosmin>JasonS, cose I do not have a good one
10:52<JasonS>gcosmin: sure you do, you just need to edit a bit perhaps
10:52<JasonS>gcosmin: read what dpkg told you
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10:54<sheldonh>fxiny: well the default is "Compression no" in ssh_config
10:54<sheldonh>fxiny: but it's not no in sshd_config. i don't know who wins, client or server
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10:55<sheldonh>fxiny: but to be sure, you could ssh -o "Compression no" (or adjust ~/.ssh/config)
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10:56<fxiny>sheldonh: i've tried scp -v -oCompression=no
10:56<sheldonh>fxiny: that works? never seen that format (with the = sign)
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10:56<fxiny>sheldonh: is faster some 24.7 seconds against 34.7 . cpu load is up to 86%
10:56<sheldonh>fxiny: ah. scp sucks ass
10:56<fxiny>sheldonh: indeed
10:56<sheldonh>fxiny: use a tar over ssh pipeline
10:56<Seb>sup y'all
10:57<fxiny>sheldonh: i do ftp and sometimes i use duplicity
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10:57<sheldonh>fxiny: e.g. tar -cf - parent/foo | ssh user@host "tar -C /path/to/parent -xf -"
10:57<fxiny>sheldonh: i believe is etch ssh . sarge was fine
10:57<sheldonh>fxiny: give one of the tar jobs -v to simulate scp's -v
10:58<sheldonh>fxiny: well, scp has always sucked for me, compared with tar over ssh
10:58<sheldonh>fxiny: do you know what version of ssh sarge provided?
10:59<fxiny>sheldonh: vsftp and ncftp are ok . sometimes ncftp get things wrong with a couple of hundred small files . so i'm md5summing all big files
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10:59<fxiny>sheldonh: i cannot remeber sarge version
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11:00<sheldonh>fxiny: ftp isn't good for lots of files either. for a large number of files, tar or rsync, i reckon
11:00<lupine_85>rsync, every time
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11:00<fxiny>sheldonh: turning compression off is somehow worse cause then ssh scramble a bigger file
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11:01<sheldonh>fxiny: that, i didn't expect :)
11:01<fxiny>sheldonh: yes tar is fine in the Alan Cox way
11:01<sheldonh>fxiny: dunno what the alan cox way is :)
11:02<fxiny>sheldonh: cp files using tar
11:02<fxiny>a pipe
11:02<sheldonh>it's fast if nothing else :)
11:02<fxiny>pretty fast local to localò too
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11:03<kadambi>How to change the short description for an ITP ??
11:04<sheldonh>kadambi: control@, i would think
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11:04<kadambi>sheldonh, what is the command ?
11:05<kadambi>sheldonh, I know to change the title, i.e. using retitle
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11:06<sheldonh>kadambi: oh i see what you mean. not sure that you can
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11:07<kadambi>sheldonh, I need to change the short description for an ITP what I have raised
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11:07<kadambi>sheldonh, Bug number 441429
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11:09<fxiny>sheldonh: this is the only page i found atm :
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11:10<sheldonh>kadambi: ask, i've no idea how
11:11<kadambi>sheldonh, Thank you so much
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11:17<Cruise>do anyone know how to disable usb in deb, like disable hardware in windows option
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11:19<sheldonh>Cruise: maybe you could add the usb modules to the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d ?
11:19<Cruise>any idea what i would need to add in that
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11:19<sheldonh>Cruise: or add nousb to the kernel command line
11:20<sheldonh>Cruise: if you want the enture usb subsystem disabled, the kernel command line approach is probably cleaner
11:20<Cruise>ok i will give it a try, thanks :)
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11:35<sheldonh>oh good
11:35<sheldonh>customer's imssion critical oracle database's backups have been failing for 3 months
11:36<sheldonh>unmonitored backups are the root of all evil
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11:43<juri>hi all i have a problem , volume is very low , and when i launch aumix a get :
11:43<juri>aumix: error opening mixer
11:43<juri>bash: aumix:: command not found
11:44<juri>and alsamixer is not in repozitories
11:44<cahoot>aumix is obsolete - use alsamixer
11:44<cahoot>you tried to just run alsamixer?
11:44<juri>yes , command not found
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11:45<cahoot>juri, what kind of debian is this?
11:45<juri>whoo , i instaled it from netinst , a select standard computer , a think its testing
11:46<juri>Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 00:47:00 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
11:46<lsailor>is there anyone here that can help me with setting up a cron job? I have tried it a couple of ways but it does not seem to be working. I created a bash script that needs to run every five minutes and then i did crontab /path/to/script but that did not work so i created a file with 5,10,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /path/to/script and that does not seem to work either
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11:46<cahoot>juri, alsa-utils installed?
11:47<juri>yeah i forget thanks
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11:48<lsailor>when i do crontab -l it shows me that infomation i entered but it still does not run....and i have the bash script set to be executable
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11:48<franklin>lsailor, how did you edit you script ? crontab -e ?
11:49<lsailor>i tried that and it did not seem to help
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11:50<lsailor>i even tried to just have it run once and hour and did crontab -e and set it to 0 * * * * ./var/www/files/Office/permissions
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11:50<lupine_85>"./" turns it into a relative path...
11:51<lupine_85>(well, "." does. You still need the /)
11:51<lsailor>i tried it without that ./ and that did not work either
11:51<lsailor>i put the . think it would make it run the file
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11:51<lsailor>but that was after trying it without the .
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11:51<franklin>lsailor, is you script executable ?
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11:52<franklin>lsailor, ok, you mentioned it above.
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11:53<lsailor>permissions are set to 711
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11:55<franklin>lsailor, you should set it to 755
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11:55<lsailor>would that be the problem?
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11:56<franklin>lsailor, I think that the interpreter has to be able to read the script, in order to execute it.
11:56<lsailor>how do i set crontab -e to use vi as the editor?
11:56<lupine_85>it uses the symlink /usr/bin/editor, IIRC
11:56<lsailor>and the interpreter is not root?
11:56<franklin>export EDITOR=vi
11:57<franklin>then use crontab
11:58<lsailor>cool...that vi part is working and i changed it back to every five minutes
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12:00<lsailor>crontab -l now shows 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /var/www/files/Office/permissions
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12:00<lsailor>and the permissions are set to 755...what should work?
12:00<fxiny>inelegant : */5
12:01<ist151328>hey guys, anyone to help me on some chroot problems?
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12:02<ist151328>when I upgrade openssh-server it fails because it wants to run the initscript
12:02<lsailor>it still does not seem to be working
12:02<ist151328>same problem when uninstalling cupsys
12:03<ist151328>any ideias?
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12:03<fxiny>lsailor: cron should have mailed you the error
12:03<lsailor>thanks...checking that now
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12:06<lsailor>it would mail the error to root? there is nothing there.
12:07<lsailor>oops...i checked the wrong root mail box...brb
12:07<fxiny>anyway that "./" is wrong
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12:08<lsailor>i took that out...this is what crontab -l shows now: 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /var/www/files/Office/permissions
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12:09<fxiny>this is better : */5 * * * * /var/www/files/Office/permissions
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12:10<franklin>lsailor, are you root on that system ? are you allowed to create crontab entries ? see /etc/cron.allow /etc/cron.deny
12:10<lsailor>i am root
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12:10<fxiny>can you run /var/www/files/Office/permissions ?
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12:11<lsailor>crontab -l now shows */5 * * * * /var/www/files/Office/permissions
12:11<ist151328>nevermind my question, mounted proc and bin mouted dev and it worked
12:11<ist151328>*bind mounted
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12:11<lsailor>yes running /var/www/files/Office/permissions works from the command line
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12:12<fxiny>are you running sid ?
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12:13<fxiny>someonelse this morning told me sid cron doesn't work properly
12:14<lsailor>nope...running stable
12:14<fxiny>stable is fine : are you 100% sure you don't get any mail from cron ?
12:15<franklin>lsailor, have you tried to open a session with the user you are planning to run this script, and actually run it ?
12:15<lsailor>ohh...forgot to check...checked root mail on the wrong box...brb
12:15<fxiny>does that script display something on screen ?
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12:15<lsailor>the scritp just changes some permissions and sets a sticky bit
12:15<lsailor>no output
12:16<lsailor>and i can run it as root...which is who i want running it
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12:18<fxiny>so is a /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root crontab ?
12:18<franklin>lsailor, what's in /var/log/syslog ? you could add a temporary line , like : date >> /tmp/mylog
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12:20<lsailor>oh...i am getting mail to root and it says /bin/sh: line 1: /var/www/files/Office/permissions: Permission denied
12:20<fxiny>seen ?
12:20<lsailor>does that mean i am not using a bash shell?
12:21<fxiny>what line 1 reads ?
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12:21<franklin>lsailor, you should check parent directories, to make sure they are executable by root in some way.
12:21<fxiny> /usr/bin maybe ?
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12:23<kuchenmonster>lsailor: Do you have a separate /var or /var/www partition?
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12:24<lsailor>i think i may have gotten the permission denied because i ran it manually and it changed the permissions of the script
12:24<lsailor>nope...all one partition
12:24<juri>in which repozitori is ntfs-config or ntfs-3g ? thanks
12:24<fxiny>etch ntfs-3g ?
12:24<fxiny>last i've seen it on bpo rep
12:25<lsailor>i have fixed the permissions back to 755 and am tailing the mail file
12:25<juri>fxiny : bpo ?
12:25<dpkg>methinks is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>
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12:28<alberto>hi, does anybody know what is the current status of Plone 3.0 deb packaging?
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12:30<lsailor>the email i got last about the permissions show X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh> does that mean that root is using sh and not bash and would #!/bin/bash
12:30<lsailor>make it not work?
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12:30<lupine_85>lsailor: nope. doesn't work liek that
12:31<lupine_85>is the script on a noexec fs, by any chance?
12:31<lsailor>i can run the script with /var/www/files/Office/permissions
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12:35<suiside>alberto: check yourself at
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12:36<franklin>lsailor, are you sure that the script is failing to _run_ (and not just failing to do what you expect)?
12:36<lsailor>when i run it manually it work perfectly
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12:37<franklin>lsailor, what about "noexec" mounted partition ? do you use selinux ?
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12:38<lsailor>i only have one big partition
12:38<franklin>lsailor, cool ;)
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12:39<alberto>suiside, thank you, but I wanted to know whether they have already planned the packaging of the new 3.0 version
12:40<franklin>lsailor, are you sure that the script is failing to _run_ (and not just failing to do what you expect)? [personal experience !]
12:40<lsailor> works perfectly when i run it manually
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12:41<lsailor>i got the script working before i moved to setting up the cron
12:41<SchroedingersK>I need some help! I want to use xen with debian etch. installing an starting dom0 works fine. i created a domU, but it didnt start and i can find no informations, why!
12:42<lsailor>and when i run it a few minutes ago it is still working
12:42<franklin>lsailor, that a good news, but if i were you, i would add a line at the top of my script, to detect if it is actually ran. typically "date >> /tmp/test"
12:45<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm checking scp without compression again : cpu loads max is 77-78% . files are not big : some 300-400MB . doing it with tar/ssh as you seggested me before is a bit slower but not too bad
12:46<lsailor>i added that and now have a test file in /tmp that contains Sun Sep 16 12:37:17 CDT 2007
12:46<fxiny>so : small/medium files scp -oCompression=no seems ok , big files are still a pita
12:46<sheldonh>fxiny: wow, so your bottleneck is definitely your host's ability to do encryption :(
12:46<lsailor>this is because i ran i manually...still waiting to see if cron will run it
12:46<fxiny>sheldonh: looks like that
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12:47<fxiny>sheldonh: if i do a plain scp cpu loads goes up to 95%
12:47<fxiny>and speed is crap
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12:49<lsailor>nope...cron is still not running it
12:49<fxiny>sheldonh: at 95% cpu even ls hang
12:49<fxiny>i am a sitting duck
12:50<lsailor>oops...cron is runnig it there is Sun Sep 16 12:40:01 CDT 2007 in /tmp/test now
12:50<lsailor>but it did not do what i wanted it to....hmmm
12:50<fxiny>only when mv some 7G stuffed dirs
12:50<sheldonh>fxiny: what kinda system is this? :)
12:50<fxiny>sheldonh: etch : PII 400 :))
12:51<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm not blaming anyone . as i said i use ftp
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12:51<franklin>lsailor, that's good news ! but the bad news, there's something else too fix !
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12:52<lsailor>i think i just need to make the script use the path and not .
12:53<fxiny>it affects big files : i've tried settting IO with hdparm . is the same
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12:54<franklin>fxiny, have you tried ionice ?
12:54<fxiny>franklin: that could solve it
12:54<fxiny>good idea
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12:57<lsailor> is working now :) thanks for all the help
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12:57<franklin>lsailor, enjoy.
12:57<lsailor>i needed to use the path in the script :) you guys rock...thanks alot
12:58<Kebianizao>is there an easy way to make ifup on a wireless network to detect which networlk is available and configure it once you define the possible options?
12:58<Kebianizao>This is something like networkmanager, but at lower level
12:58<fxiny>franklin: something like : ionice -c3 scp *.files ?
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12:59<apol>Kebianizao: I don't know, but this would rock a lot!!!
12:59<Kebianizao>I mean something already done, and not having to write custom scripts using guessnet
12:59<franklin>fxiny, yes.
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13:00<Kebianizao>apol: hey! :)
13:00<Kebianizao>apol: I think next netconf that Martin Krafft is working on could provide this, but I'd like to know if there's already something available
13:01<apol>Kebianizao: cool! well, let me know if you find anything then :)
13:02<apol>does anybody know if there is any kde4 packages for debian sid?
13:02<Kebianizao>apol: it is, on experimental
13:04<Kebianizao>apol: and some more
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13:05<apol>mainly I need the libs and the -dev
13:05<apol>(it is not for me :P)
13:05<flami>yeah yeah ;) not for you
13:05<Kebianizao>apol: but they unusable AFAIK and I've been talked quite badly about them, ask #debian-kde or #debian-qt-kde they will inform you much better
13:06<flami>well what do you expect from an alpha version?
13:06<Kebianizao>flami: kde4 is beta AFAIK
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13:06<flami>is it now?
13:06<apol>flami: yes we are in beta2
13:06<flami>oh yeah i see ^^ 1sr beta release
13:07<flami>hehe the german site i got directed too is still in 1st beta
13:07<fxiny>franklin: what if i want to revert to default ? man says nothing
13:07<flami> ;)
13:08<fxiny>franklin: is it a session only set ?
13:08<sheldonh>wow, they're hoping to release 4.0 in december?
13:08<franklin>fxiny, ionice (like nice) only affects commands it starts (i.e passed as argument).
13:09<fxiny>franklin: is a root command
13:09<fxiny>i run scp as user
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13:13<fxiny>hmmm : i hate sudo
13:13<franklin>fxiny, you can't use -c3 as regular user (read use -c2 -nX
13:13<fxiny>c2 ? ok
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13:13<fxiny>is ok
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13:14<fxiny>franklin: tx , i really hate sudo
13:14<franklin>fxiny, me too.
13:14<Fony_Vaio>having a problem in the installer, can't delete a md device. it's using sda2 as its sole member of a raid0 stripe. when i try to delete it, i get an error.
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13:14<fxiny>franklin: i will never use that "thing" :)
13:15<fxiny>hmmm -c2 is best effort
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13:16<Mindtech>Hey guys\
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13:16<Mindtech> <--- I can't seem to get this live stream from my local radio station working in etch - Works in Windows just fine - Can anyone have a look and see what can be done? I get a "parse" error
13:17<ad_>hi, does anyone know a good amule server I could use? (I don't understand, but there is no #amule)?
13:17<fxiny>ahhh : i missed -nX
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13:19<sheldonh>Mindtech: works for me using konqueror on etch
13:19<sheldonh>Mindtech: (konqueror's using kmplayer to play it)
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13:19<fxiny>franklin: right : ionice -c2 -n7 seems what i need . tx again
13:20<franklin>fxiny, welcome
13:20<franklin>fxiny, i file a bug to improve manpage.
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13:21<Kebianizao>ad_: what kind of server are you looking for?
13:22<fxiny>franklin: quick quick , is a crucial bug : we don't like reading ubu forum . must be fixed ! :)
13:23<ad_>Kebianizao: ehm... a .met server, it seems
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13:23<Supaplex>xen bugreporting question: Should I report the bug on the kernel package, linux-2.6 source, or something else? xorg is totally unuseable regardless of which video drivers I use, for one or two displays. All tested senarios work fine w/xen. I've tried different combinations of (none,i810,vesa),(none,nv,nvidia,vesa) to no avail.
13:23<franklin>fxiny, yep.
13:23<Kebianizao>umm, look for it using google, that should be hard, also look into de amule wiki
13:23<fxiny>franklin: :)
13:24<Mindtech>sheldonh, I am using Iceweasel
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13:24<Mindtech>would that really make a difference?
13:24<franklin>fxiny, actually, ionice (schedutils) isn't is testing !
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13:25<fxiny>franklin: maybe cause lenny ssh is not so piggy like etch ssh :)
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13:25<fxiny>i don't mind using audacity over ftp
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13:26<franklin>fxiny, that's still useful when you copy GB of files locally.
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13:27<fxiny>franklin: true !
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13:28<sheldonh>Mindtech: yeah, totally different software, totally different set of potential problems :)
13:29<valdyn>ad_: google for '.met file' or server.met, warez is offtopic here
13:30<fxiny>Mindtech: it works here : etch icewilly , PII 400Mhz
13:31<Mindtech>Did you use any special repositories for the windows media file it uses?
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13:32<fxiny>Saint Marillat rep since ages (
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13:32<fxiny>sounds very clean
13:34<lizard>i have a problem with alsa an amd64 and 32bit programs
13:34<Kebianizao>lo lizard
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13:35<lizard>installed lib32 stuff, but libasound still trys to read plugins from /usr/lib insted of /usr/lib32
13:35<lizard>that results in: ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
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13:36[~]Kebianizao doesn't know a word about 64bits archs
13:36<lizard>playing with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or even LD_PRELOAD does not do a thing there ... looks hardcoded :(
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13:37<Kebianizao>lizard: you could try ldd and see
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13:37[~]Kebianizao wonders wether that would be useful
13:38<Mindtech>Did you use any special repositories for the windows media file it uses?
13:38<lizard>Kebianizao, i dont talk about deps ... i talk about dlopen
13:39<Kebianizao>ok, just wondered what could come out from ldd
13:39<fxiny>Mindtech: deb etch main
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13:39<Mindtech>ya i got that one :S
13:39<lizard>so, libasound itself works find in 32bit too ... since it do not have to load any plugins
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13:39<gcosmin>Setting up ipw3945d (1.7.22-4) ...
13:39<gcosmin>* Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded.
13:40<gcosmin>can i get some help to make it work ?
13:40<valdyn>gcosmin: help loading the driver?
13:40<lizard>Kebianizao: u wanna ldd from /usr/lib32/ ?
13:40<gcosmin>valdyn, yes please
13:40<Kebianizao>lizard: I'm curious, yes
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13:40<Kebianizao>gcosmin: did modprobe?
13:40<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
13:40<gcosmin>Kebianizao, no
13:41<gcosmin>how to?
13:41<Kebianizao>gcosmin: did what dpkg said?
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13:41<gcosmin>dpkg: need an action option
13:41<Mindtech>which codecs do I need to make it work?
13:42<valdyn>lizard: what does that paste have to do with your actual question?
13:42<Kebianizao>gcosmin: aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d
13:42<Kebianizao>gcosmin: isn't it clear?
13:42<gcosmin>Kebianizao, that i done
13:42<gcosmin>and after that i got that message
13:43<Kebianizao>gcosmin: lsmod |grep ipw39 gives you the module loaded?
13:43<lizard>valdyn, <lizard> Kebianizao: u wanna ldd from /usr/lib32/ ? => <Kebianizao> lizard: I'm curious, yes
13:43<Kebianizao>lizard: ?
13:43<gcosmin>Kebianizao, noting
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13:44<Kebianizao>then you don't have the module loaded, modprobe it: modprobe ipw3945
13:44<Kebianizao>any output gcosmin?
13:44<Kebianizao>lizard: don't really know, sorry
13:44<gcosmin>Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:45<Fony_Vaio>anyone know how to clear the information that mdadm adds to a disk?
13:45<Kebianizao>gcosmin: looks successful
13:46<Kebianizao>gcosmin: test with iwconfig
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13:46<gcosmin>Kebianizao, thanx a lot
13:46<gcosmin>I'm really happy now
13:46<lizard>Fony_Vaio, overwriting sould be fine :)
13:46<Kebianizao>gcosmin: np :)
13:47<Kebianizao>gcosmin: spread the word :)
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13:47<Fony_Vaio>lizard: i know but i need to add the drive to a new raid set. mdadm is finding an old defined array, with lost members, but won't let me remove it.
13:48<lizard>Fony_Vaio, there is a force option for that :)
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13:51<Fony_Vaio>lizard, tried ~ # mdadm -r -f /dev/md2 but no joy, doesn't give an error, just doesn't delete the array
13:51<Fony_Vaio>lizard, cat /proc/mdstat gives md2 : inactive sda2[0]
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13:53<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: 'mdadm --stop /dev/md2'
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13:55<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, this is where it gets weird... if i stop md2, it does. Then i remove it using the force options.. and i confirm this by checking /proc/mdstat (it is empty). but when i exit the shell back to the installer, and fire up the partitioner, mdadm insists that md2 is still there, and can't be removed.
13:55<Arron>how do i get the outomount working with xfce?
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13:56<fancylad>does anyone know where i can get a tetris-like game for the cli that works? all i can find are old versions that gcc won't compile
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13:59<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, lizard , there is also a /dev/md_md2 is that relevant?
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14:01<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: whatever is in /proc/mdstat is relevant
14:02<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: that patititioner could be rescanning the raid or whatever
14:02<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, so where is this other information stored?
14:02<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: superblock is the only place
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14:03<Fony_Vaio>superblock aka. mbr?
14:03<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: mbr is on the superblock of a harddisk
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14:04<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: but you probably have partitions as raid members.
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14:05<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, i tried to clear the mbr before using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
14:05<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, is this correct, or do i need to clear more of the drive?
14:05<Fony_Vaio>there is nothing on there i want
14:05<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: you need to clear the superblock(s) of your raid members
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14:06<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, is the above command enough?
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14:06<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: is sda a raid member?
14:06<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, i tried recreating the msdos partition table using the installer partitioner, too
14:06<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, yes.
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14:06<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: not really a partition on sda?
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14:07<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, yes, the partition did exist. although not now. a new partition table was written, which is now blank
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14:07<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: you're confused or confusing me
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14:07<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: a non-existant partition cant be member of a raid.
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14:08<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: once sda2 does not exist it cant be scanned and added to a raid
14:08<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, it was a member of a raid array... but that was all deleted, drives were blanked.
14:09<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, now i want to add it as a member of a new array, but since the installer believes that md2 already exists and that sda2 is its sole member of a raid0 striped array, i can't add the new partition of the same name to a new md array.
14:09<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: reboot?
14:10<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, done, many times.
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14:12<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, need to know whether the installer is scanning the drive for information pertaining to raid devices, finding some old information on sda and then reserving sda2 for md2.
14:12<Fony_Vaio>if so, where is this information stored on sda, and how to clear it
14:12<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: sure it is scanning
14:13<Fony_Vaio>is clearing the first 512bytes not enough
14:13<Fony_Vaio>should i clear more, or a different location
14:13<Fony_Vaio>or should i give up and just wait a few hours for a manufacturer tool like maxtor powermax to "blank" the disk by writing zero's to every sector.
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14:14<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: you are seeing sda2 being added to md2 while sda2 does not exist?
14:14<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, yes
14:15<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: powermax isnt needed, you could always clear the whole disk with dd
14:15<Fony_Vaio>but it would take a lot longer with dd i would think..?
14:15<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: no, why would it?
14:16<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: the raid superblock is ~128kb at the end of the drive
14:16<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, that's useful to know
14:16<valdyn>Fony_Vaio: ( or partition )
14:17<Fony_Vaio>the partition still exists according to /proc/partitions
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14:19<lupine_85>after wiping the disc, you need to re-read the partition table (or reboot)
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14:20<sheldonh>i wonder what's holding up the fix for CVE-2007-4131 in etch
14:20<frathouz>hey- how do i change the screen resolution in lenny without starting x?
14:20<Fony_Vaio>valdyn, thanks for all your help. got it. mdadm has an options called --zero-superblock which i ran on /dev/sda2
14:20<Fony_Vaio>now the "ghost" md2 has gone
14:21<frathouz>isnt it like dpkg -reconfigure x-server something? iduno
14:21<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or
14:21<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: neat trick
14:22<frathouz>how do i change the screen resoultuoin d00d?
14:22<sheldonh>ask again and again, it makes a big difference
14:22<petemc>if your config allows it, +/- on the numberpad might work
14:22<franklin>frathouz, look at xrandr
14:23<sheldonh>peterS: ctrl-alt- plus/minus, surely?
14:23<sheldonh>oops, petemc, even
14:23<petemc>ctl alt, yes
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14:24<sheldonh>petemc: are _you_ the person with whom i had a conversation about linux's maximum loss free forwarding rate a couple of months back?
14:24<franklin>ctrl-alt- +- won't work anymore (not for me)
14:24<petemc>sheldonh: i dont believe so
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14:24<sheldonh>oh well. i have spread misinformation, perhaps i should just let it go
14:24<franklin>frathouz, look at gnome-randr-applet
14:24<sheldonh>i'll try jm_, then give up :)
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14:26<franklin>frathouz, try also grandr (Menu /System/Preferences/Screen Resolution)
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14:28<davi>Why do not do a mass update of Ubuntu Gusty packages to Debian unstable? Is it already being done?
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14:39<fancylad>has anyone in here written their lpi cert?
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14:43<sheldonh>right, time to figure out once and for all why spell-checking isn't working in kmail
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14:48<NeXX>hey guys
14:48<NeXX>i need a GOOD irc client
14:48<NeXX>any suggestions?
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14:48<lupine_85>konversation; irssi
14:48<NeXX>well there's that
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14:48<sheldonh>might help if aspell were actually installed *blush*
14:49<Villarroel>I want to change automatically the xorg video driver depending on wich kernel I load. I think that can be done with debconf frontend "" but I have no idea where to start.
14:49<chealer>NeXX: which X session type do you use?
14:50<NeXX>uhm, well i like fluxbox but atm im using Gnome
14:50<NeXX>i really dislike this Gaim
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14:51<jclinton>NeXX: xchat-gnome is easy to use and has plenty of features
14:51<mxldr>when i try to change my refresh rate in lenny, i can only choose 50hz, but my monitor needs 60hz. how can i fix this?
14:51<NeXX>jclinton: ok i'll try that one too thanks
14:52<NeXX>neither are found in apt-get, do i have to install it manually?
14:52<jclinton>hold on
14:52<NeXX>or is my apt-get screwed
14:52<jclinton>are you using Etch?
14:53<jclinton>i'm not but i'll check for you
14:53<jclinton>a moment
14:53<jclinton>it's in Etch
14:53<lupine_85>evil xchat :p
14:53<NeXX>any thoughts as to why my apt-get cant find it?
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14:53<jclinton>NeXX: first of all, stop using apt-get
14:54<jclinton>NeXX: fire up aptitude a terminal window
14:54<NeXX>why? its so easy
14:54<lupine_85>apt-get ftw
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14:54<lupine_85>no need to deprecate it just yet - especially not for that absolutely stupid ncurses interface
14:54<jclinton>lupine_85: shush
14:54<NeXX>yeah im not a huge fan of that aptitude
14:55<NeXX>seems clunky, and i hate browsing
14:55<Villarroel>aptitude rules.
14:55<jclinton>well then use the command line interface to aptitude but stop using apt-get
14:55<NeXX>whats wrong with apt-get?
14:55<jclinton>NeXX: it's deprecated
14:56<jclinton>NeXX: are your repose up to date? have you run "aptitude update" ?
14:56<NeXX>..i did an apt-get update :P
14:56<NeXX>ok i'll give this aptitude a shot
14:56<NeXX>lets see if it can find it
14:57<jclinton>NeXX: once aptitude is up and running hit "/" to start a search
14:57<jclinton>NeXX: enter xchat
14:57<jclinton>NeXX: use "N" and "P" to walk forward and backward through matches
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14:58<chealer>jclinton: apt-get is not deprecated
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14:59<jclinton>chealer: not interesting in a holy war; take it somewhere else
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15:00<NeXX>i dont think aptitude found xchat either
15:00<NeXX>and i did the update
15:00<NeXX>maybe my repository list is messed
15:00<chealer>jclinton: take it somewhere else yourself please
15:00<jclinton>NeXX: paste your repo list from /etc/apt/sources.list
15:00<sheldonh>neXX: i think so. "aptitude search xchat" finds it here
15:00<jclinton>NeXX: paste it to
15:02<sheldonh>aptitude vs apt-get redux: apt-get is faster, aptitude has more features
15:02<sheldonh>i don't think there's enough material there for a holy war :)
15:03<jclinton>that's just absurd
15:03<jclinton>NeXX: looking
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15:04<sheldonh>NeXX: your sources.list is indeed hosed :)
15:04<jclinton>NeXX: yea it's completely screwed up
15:04<NeXX>is there an example one someplace that i can copy?
15:05<jclinton>NeXX: you can't install software at the moment
15:05<jclinton>NeXX: yea, i'll paste you one
15:05<sheldonh>NeXX: you're missing the main repository. see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/
15:05<sheldonh>NeXX: you're missing the first one :)
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15:06<Fony_Vaio>i've just finished an installation where grub is installed into md0, which consists of 4 members (100MB parts at the beginning of 4 disks, boot flag set)
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15:06<NeXX>ahh ok perfect
15:06<sheldonh>NeXX: but take care. if you use the first uncommented line in the example, replace your lines with the second one too, otherwise you won't get non-free security updates where available
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15:06<Fony_Vaio>but it just sits at initialising the boot device after post, and doesn't do anything
15:07<jclinton>NeXX: that's mine
15:07<lupine_85>Fony_Vaio: grub needs to be on a device accessible by the BIOS.
15:07<NeXX>can i just use that exactly how you have it?
15:07<jclinton>NeXX: yes
15:07<NeXX>k thats alot easier, thanks
15:07<jclinton>NeXX: well, are you in the USA?
15:08<NeXX>canada, same shit :D
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15:08<jclinton>NeXX: yea, just wanted to make sure that gulus was geographically close to you
15:08<lupine_85>only, up to ?2,000 miles away?
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15:08<cdlu>nexx, only if you're in alberta is it the same. ;)
15:08<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: what raid level?
15:08<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, raid1
15:08<NeXX>alberta is very americanized
15:09<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: 4 disk raid1?
15:09<jclinton>NeXX: after update file, run aptitude update
15:09<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: did you do LVM + RAID?
15:10<sheldonh>jclinton: the debian installer is smart enough to know that you can't use grub with an lvm boot partition
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15:10<jclinton>sheldonh: i can't recall, was that change made in time for Etch?
15:10<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, yes, it's only for a 100mb partition, /boot, thought i may aswell have it on each drive in case one fails
15:10<sheldonh>jclinton: yes
15:10<Fony_Vaio>jclinton, no
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15:10<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: ok, doesn't matter any ways
15:10<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: my guess is that grub was installed onto one of the devices, but not the one that the bios boots
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15:11<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: do you see anything about "Stage x.x..."
15:11<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: if you can trick the bios into booting the right drive, that would be easiest
15:11<NeXX>ahh many updates....looks good, now lets see if i can install that xchat
15:11<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, i installed it onto /dev/md0
15:11<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: otherwise, you'll need to fire up a rescue mode shell or livecd and manually install grub into the boot sector(s?) of each disk
15:11<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, i'll try all the hd's as boot devices
15:12<NeXX>oh i see you can use aptitude just like apt-get
15:12<Fony_Vaio>jclinton, no, nothing at all after bios updated dmi pool data
15:12<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: no. you specified that /dev/md0 was the boot device. debian only installs grub onto one disk. i found this out the hard way :)
15:12<NeXX>that makes it alot better
15:12<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, ah, ok, lemme check which then
15:12<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: i meant "debian only installs grub into the boot sector(s?) of one disk"
15:13<sheldonh>arguably, this behaviour is not a bug :)
15:13<sheldonh>but it certainly surprises a lot of people :)
15:14<sheldonh>NeXX: a lot of people hate aptitude because they don't realize it has a command-line interface :)
15:14<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: what may have happened is that the SATA controller order is different than the boot order specified in the BIOS
15:14<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, got it, it was the second drive
15:14<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: wicked
15:14<Fony_Vaio>jclinton, yeah, makes sense in a weird kinda way.
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15:14<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: our wiki's post-install notes include a fix for this :)
15:14<NeXX>sheldonh: yeah it works just like apt-get, so thus its the same and has more so better
15:14<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: some BIOS's make this clear; others do not
15:14<NeXX>might as well just use aptitude
15:14<Fony_Vaio>thanks for the help again. finally a working rig. excellent, now onto installing / configuring software (stuff i can do) :D
15:15<sheldonh>NeXX: unless you're using slow old hardware, i agree :)
15:15<jclinton>Fony_Vaio: good luck
15:15<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: wait :)
15:15<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: are your disks sd[a-d] or hd[a-d]?
15:15<jclinton>NeXX: the repo list that i provided to you contains patent encumbered video and audio codes, as well
15:15<sheldonh>tsk tsk :)
15:16<jclinton>NeXX: so just watch out there, they are provided by third parties
15:16<NeXX>i see
15:16<mazze>My ntpd does not seem to work; after running about an hour, it says "no servers reachable" and does not adjust the clock any more ... I use the default configfile from the sarge-package
15:16<jclinton>NeXX: occasionally one of those two parties will collide with each other
15:16<jclinton>NeXX: but aptitude is excellent at resolving these issues
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15:16<NeXXtea>oooOoo this is irssi
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15:17<NeXX>and good buy gaim o/
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15:17<stan_ley>hey guys
15:18<stan_ley>you would'nt happen to have a script to check gmail ?
15:18<jclinton>stan_ley: there are hundred of ways to do that
15:18<stan_ley>ok, show me 2
15:18<jclinton>stan_ley: probably the easiest would be to use one of the hundred of pop-account checking applets
15:19<jclinton>stan_ley: and just give the applet the address
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15:19<stan_ley>i dont want apple, i want to see output at terminal
15:19<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, sd[a-d], why?
15:19<jclinton>stan_ley: okay, so use one for terminal output
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15:19<nexx_>and this is xchat
15:20<stan_ley>if i had one, i would, but i cant find one; would be it be easier to write a script ?
15:20<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: assuming scsi or sata and linear device numbering, i suggest: for d in a b c d; do grub-install /dev/sd$d; done
15:20<jclinton>nexx_: right click the room names to make the auto-join
15:20<sheldonh>Fony_Vaio: that way, if the disk you're currently booting off fails, you can still boot a different disk
15:21<nexx_>ahh ok
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15:21<sheldonh>stan_ley: google for: linux check gmail
15:21<nexx_>is there no Mirc like irc client for linux?
15:22<sheldonh>nexx_: konversation's close
15:22<jclinton>nexx_: xchat, koversation
15:22<jclinton>nexx_: i don't recall if the xchat-gnome version in Etch has plugin support but the latest xchat-gnome does
15:23<jclinton>quite a few...
15:23<mazze>My ntpd does not seem to work; after running about an hour, it says "no servers reachable" and does not adjust the clock any more ... I use the default configfile from the sarge-package
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15:24<jclinton>mazze: is the ntp server set to or something like that?
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15:24<nexx_>that was wierd
15:24<Fony_Vaio>sheldonh, ok cheers
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15:25<mazze>jclinton, it is set to and ... and the like.
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15:25<jclinton>mazze: try using ntpdate program against those or some other more generic domain name
15:26<sheldonh>mazze: this might be interesting as root: ntpq -c 'peers'
15:26<nexx_>so next on the list of things to do....multi monitor support
15:26<jclinton>nexx_: graphics card vendor?
15:26<nexx_>i noticed in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that it wont configure multi monitor for you
15:26<sheldonh>mazze: you should know, however, that ntpd is retarded about its use if bind()
15:27<nexx_>i had to use the vesa driver cuz the nv one was screwed
15:27<sheldonh>mazze: if your ip address changes, you may need to restart ntpd
15:27<jclinton>nexx_: well, the best way to do that is with xrandr which is not really all that workable in the Etch version of xorg
15:27<mazze>sheldonh With "ntpq -c 'peers'" I got back 4 IPs along with some values ...
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15:27<jclinton>nexx_: but it's still doable
15:27<nexx_>thats a configuration app?
15:27<mazze>sheldonh my IP is never changing.
15:27<jclinton>nexx_: have you installed the proprietary nvidia driver yet?
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15:28<jclinton>nexx_: yes but you wont be using it
15:28<mazze>jclinton I already tried to use ntpdate -- and it does work. As does ntpd for some time ...
15:28<nexx_>no...havn't looked into it, frankly this one works, im scared i'll end up breaking it
15:28<jclinton>nexx_: the open source nv driver is barely enough to get by
15:28<jclinton>nexx_: you need the proprietary driver
15:28<nexx_>so just go to their website and download their linux version?
15:28<jclinton>nexx_: nope
15:29<jclinton>nexx_: use aptitude install nvidia-glx
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15:29<jclinton>nexx_: also i think nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig
15:29<sheldonh>mazze: now stop ntpd and run ntpdate -q <ip1> <ip2> ... using the ip addresses you got from the peers command
15:29<jclinton>that should suck the kernel driver in as well
15:29<lupine_85>kernel driver needs module-assistant magickery
15:29<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
15:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
15:30<lupine_85>ho hum, or not
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15:30<nexx_>hehe ok
15:30<jclinton>yea, like i said i think the glx package will suck in the module
15:30<jclinton>but i don't run Etch so i'm not sure
15:30<nexx_>aptitude install nvidia-glx is installing alot of stuff
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15:30<sheldonh>lupine_85: the nvidia-glx package depends on the nvidia-kernel-source package
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15:30<jclinton>nexx_: yea, supposed to
15:31<sheldonh>lupine_85: what's not clear to me is how that factoid gets the kernel module built and installed from the kernel source package
15:31<nexx_>should i try the one liner? or just do it this way?
15:31<jclinton>this way
15:31<mazze>sheldonh I get back some values for each IP, and a little "step"-line from ntpdate.
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15:32<sheldonh>oh i see, the factoid relies on the precompiled kernel module package
15:32<lupine_85>there must be pre-built ones in repos or something
15:32<jclinton>nexx_: after all of that is installed, also install "nvidia-settings"
15:32<jclinton>sheldonh, lupine_85:
15:32<chealer>nexx_: don't use the one-liner nor "this way"
15:32<chealer>!tell nexx_ about ngd
15:32<sheldonh>mazze: is this very old hardware, on which it's possible your system clock's battery is dead?
15:32<jclinton>chealer: wtf are you talking about?
15:33<chealer>!tell jclinton about ngd
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15:33<jclinton>yea, um, if you're going to tell someone to "RTFM" just don't say anything at all
15:33<nexx_>ok nvidia-settings also installed
15:33<jclinton>especially if they are already getting help...
15:34<jclinton>nexx_: ok, all that's left to do is run "nvidia-xconfig" as root
15:34<sheldonh>jclinton: a lot of people find the ngd page extremely useful, particularly when the one-liner doesn't work
15:34<jclinton>sheldonh: maybe so
15:34<chealer>jclinton: if you're going to try spoonfeeding the manual, don't write anything at all neither
15:34<nexx_>i dont have nvidia-xconfig, i have nvidia-settings tho
15:35<jclinton>chealer: why don't you go infest the linux from scratch project, since you hate users so much?
15:35<jclinton>nexx_: hold a sec
15:35<mazze>sheldonh hmmm, interesting. No, the hardware is not _very_ old, but running 7x24 for about 2 years now. It was a new machine then, Athlon64 3500+ . If the clock's battry is dead, should ntp not being able to don't let the clock drift away (when running, of course)?
15:35<jclinton>nexx_: sorry, thats one more package
15:35<jclinton>nexx_: "nvidia-xconfig"
15:36<sheldonh>mazze: depends on how your ntpd is set up. if it considers the local system a reference server, it kinda makes sense. but i'm not the right person to ask for a defense of ntpd :)
15:36<nexx_>im learning so much
15:36<chealer>jclinton: I don't hate users.
15:36<nexx_>Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
15:36<nexx_>Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
15:36<nexx_>New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
15:36<nexx_>thats from the nvidia-xconfig
15:37<jclinton>nexx_: ok that's it, just restart X by logging out and hitting "CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE" at the login window
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15:37<jclinton>nexx_: after it restarts, you can log in again
15:37<sheldonh>if it works :)
15:37<nexx_>ok i'll be right back
15:38<mazze>sheldonh now I started the ntpd again, and after some seconds, it set back the clock hard to the right time ... but I know that clock is getting out of sync so that we are about 20 Minutes away tomorrow that time ...
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15:38<nexx_>if i log out all my running processes will stop right?
15:38<jclinton>nexx_: yes
15:38<nexx_>k i'll have to wait a few min
15:38<nexx_>im transfuring lots of files atm to a different hdd
15:38<sheldonh>mazze: yeah, if it's not updating the system clock, it's useless
15:39<jclinton>nexx_: in the mean time, remember that you can change the word "nvidia" in your xorg.conf file to "nv" if it doesn't work for some reason
15:39<mazze>sheldonh so, perhaps I should change the battery ... :)
15:39<jclinton>nexx_: this will move you back to the open source driver
15:39<nexx_>yeah i'll use the vesa driver acctually the nv one doesn't work for me
15:39<jclinton>nexx_: or just restore the back file that was made
15:40<nexx_>took us a few hours the other day to figure out that nv problem
15:40<sheldonh>mazze: well i'm not sure that's the problem, but it may be worth a shot
15:40<nexx_>it was outputing huge H and V values
15:40<mazze>sheldonh so, thank you for your kind help!
15:41<sheldonh>mazze: good luck!
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15:43<nexx_>heh, i did a hdd count, i'm sitting at 1.5TB's in total
15:43<nexx_>so much stuff
15:44<jclinton>you pirate you
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15:44<nexx_>i have stuff from highschool still
15:44<nexx_>its retarded
15:44<jclinton>talk like a pirate day is Tuesday
15:45<sheldonh>tuesday is for wimps. hold out for Ride the Fire Eagle Danger Day!
15:45<jclinton>help fight global warming by talking like a pirate!
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15:46<jclinton>no, it's "shiver me timbers!"
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15:46<nexx_>heh Col_kernel
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15:47[~]nexx_ wonders when his files will finish transfuring
15:47<nexx_>its moving the Nr0p atm
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15:47<nexx_>about 80GB worth :P
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15:54<nexx__>oh yeah konversation is the one
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16:00<nexx_>what does the ctr+alt+backspace do?
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16:00<danilo>what's the addres of the ipv6 server?
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16:01<danilo>nexx_ it came back to the login (gdm)
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16:02<danilo>what's the addres of the ipv6 server?
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16:05<ales>hi, i have problem with mobile phone, how can i transport data from/phone?
16:05<ptr>I've got a fairly simple question about gdm, I think. I'd like to be able to set a 'face' image for myself, but I'm not particularly keen on making my home directory world-readable. No other program requires this... and gdm's documentation specifically says that the gdm user should only have access to gdm's configuration data, and nothing else. So, by their own definition, GDM ought not to have access to my home directory.... is there anywhere e
16:05<ptr>lse where I can drop an image?
16:06<jclinton>ales: bluetooth
16:06<ptr>Hmm. Perhaps #gnome, on second thought
16:06<jclinton>ales: the obexftp command
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16:06<ales>installed but not working
16:06<nexx>guess i figured out what the ctr+alt+backspace did
16:06<danilo>some one says what is the ipv6 addres of this server?
16:07<nexx>jclinton: you there?
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16:07<ales>obexftp says there isw no device...but with wammu it goes
16:07<mxldr>hey- the max i can set my refresh rate is 50hz
16:07<mxldr>how do i force it to 60hz?
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16:08<jclinton>nexx: yea
16:08<mxldr>any way? i have have an ibm t42 with a ati mobility card
16:08<mxldr>i am running lenny and gnome
16:08<lupine_85>mxldr: see /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:08<nexx>so i hit ctr+alt+backspace just to see what happens, and i guess it restarts X?
16:09<mxldr>what do i do in that file?
16:09<mxldr>what do i need to do
16:09<nexx>it said it couldn't find a module
16:09<jclinton>mxldr: is panel EDID is forcing the 50hz refresh rate
16:09<ales>how can i connect through bluetooth?
16:09<jclinton>nexx: try taking the working xorg.conf and just changing vesa to nvidia
16:09<mxldr>how do i check EDID?
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16:09<lupine_85>mxldr: add new modelines
16:10<nexx>so i rebooted and i noticed that i have 4 boot options now, a kernel with a .4 at the end and anouther with a .5 at the end
16:10<jclinton>mxldr: on a flat panel, the refresh rate is not important; it's likely correct
16:10<jclinton>mxldr: is the output garbled?
16:10<jclinton>nexx: that is correct
16:10<mxldr>it says vertrefresh 43-60
16:10<mxldr>but gnome only lets me select 50hz
16:10<mxldr>same with kde
16:10<jclinton>mxldr: but it's limited by the dot clock
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16:11<jclinton>mxldr: if there is no visual distortion, then i would live it as it is; it's likely correct
16:11<mxldr>i am trying to get it to work on my dell lcd flat panel
16:11<nexx>ok im gonna restart x
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16:11<jclinton>mxldr: oh well that's completely different
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16:11<mxldr>it displays stuff when i boot up and its text, but once x starts i get a monitor error
16:11<jclinton>mxldr: so there's a couple of issues here
16:11<mxldr>it says "analog mode error" or something
16:12<mxldr>because i think it doesnt support 50hz
16:12<Guest433>hello i was wondering how do go about removing a desktop and all its dependencies without selecting each one individually, for example kde....
16:12<jclinton>mxldr: first and foremost, ati mobility is a terrible hardware engineering trainwreck called IXP
16:12<jclinton>Guest433: use aptitude
16:12<mxldr>i am a linux n00b
16:12<chealer>Guest433: which Debian suite do you use?
16:12<jclinton>mxldr: here's the short version:
16:12<lupine_85>aptitude will only do the trick if the metapackages were installed using aptitude as well...
16:13<jclinton>mxldr: in xorg 7.3 hotpluging and dynamically adding and removing monitors on your laptop's vga port with full xinerama support works
16:13<jclinton>mxldr: in xorg 7.2, which you are using, it doesn't work
16:13<Guest433>chealer i use xubuntu actually but for some odd reason konversation brought me here
16:13<mxldr>so should i upgrade to sid?
16:13<mxldr>would sid have 7.3?
16:14<mxldr>what should i do
16:14<jclinton>mxldr: it's not in sid yet
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16:14<jclinton>mxldr: it's available in experimental
16:14<jclinton>mxldr: actually, i don't think it's presently installable
16:14<mxldr>i thought sid was experimental
16:14<jclinton>mxldr: sid is unstable
16:14<jclinton>mxldr: experimental is even beyond sid
16:14<chealer>Guest433: wrong channel.
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16:15<mxldr>does experimental have crazy bugs and stuff?
16:15<jclinton>mxldr: yes, you cannot run it; it's not even a full repo
16:15<ales>how can i pair devices?
16:15<mxldr>cuz debian sid is more stable than mandrake or what ever its called now
16:15<jclinton>mxldr: just a staging area for testing
16:15<jclinton>alex: is bluez installed?
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16:16<mxldr>so- how do i get an external monuitor to work
16:16<jclinton>mxldr: i don't think you can install xorg 7.3 right now due to dependency problems
16:16<jclinton>mxldr: i would wait a few days
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16:16<nexx>ok so i got the same error, unable to load nvidia kernel module
16:16<mxldr>i need to set my refresh to 60hz
16:16<mxldr>why is that so hard?
16:16<ales>jclinton: everything with "bluez" prefix
16:16<jclinton>mxldr: ATi is the problem
16:16<mxldr>but its a laptop, i just cant swap the video card
16:16<mxldr>or can i?
16:17<jclinton>ales: so set your laptop to visible and pair from the phone
16:17<jclinton>mxldr: no you can't swap it; ATi/AMD has historically been a pain in the ass
16:17<ales>jclinton: i try to pair mobile phone with desktop
16:17<nexx>i think i need some kind of nvidia kernel module
16:17<jclinton>mxldr: that's getting better
16:17<nexx>or do i have to set something up in the kernel itself?
16:17<jclinton>nexx: did you boot to .5 kernel?
16:18<mxldr>what should i do ?!?!
16:18<jclinton>nexx: what does "modprobe -l | grep nvidia" return?
16:18<mxldr>i must get this running
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16:18<jclinton>mxldr: you cannot currently use an external monitor... within a few days when xorg 7.3 is ready for sid, you could do it then
16:18<mxldr>fuck debian
16:18<jclinton>mxldr: that's a linux problem
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16:19<nexx>. /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
16:19<mxldr>this doesn't happen with windows
16:19<jclinton>mxldr: yea, well that's ATi's fault
16:19<jclinton>mxldr: nvidia users are quite happy
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16:19<jclinton>mxldr: because every other video card maker actually tries to make it work
16:19<mxldr>what does ati do?
16:19<jclinton>mxldr: ATi, until this past week, did nothing
16:20<nexx>jclinton: is that what it was supposed to say?
16:20<jclinton>nexx: no, your kernel module is missing
16:20<jclinton>nexx: try searching aptitude for nvidia-kernel
16:21<jclinton>mxldr: because they didn't care to expend the energy? who knows?
16:21<jclinton>mxldr: they finally did something about it on Monday of last week
16:21<mxldr>any one here in a college fraternity?
16:22<nexx>jclinton: i installed the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-amd64
16:22<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
16:22<dpkg>somebody said drugs was what is packed into ody colon during vacation, or bad
16:22<jclinton>nexx: yes
16:22<mxldr>which frat?
16:22<nexx>so now should i do the same thing....change driver in xorg.conf and restart x?
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16:23<jclinton>nexx: make it nvidia and restart, yes
16:23<nexx>k brb
16:23<jclinton>nexx: or do nvidia-xconfig again
16:23<mxldr>did they haze you? are there weird masonic rituals?/
16:23<chealer>nexx: just follow the guide
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16:24<nexx>seemed to work :D
16:25<jclinton>nexx: good
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16:26<jclinton>nexx: now you can run glxgears and see a high frame rate
16:27<nexx>are you sure that was glxgears?
16:27<jclinton>nexx: install "mesa-utils"
16:27<nexx>i cant find any programs starting with glx
16:28<chealer>nexx: use the guide...please
16:28<nexx>i think im almost done any ways chealer
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16:30<nexx>so wich program should i run to enable my second monitor?
16:30<jclinton>nexx: now that the RAMDAC programmer is available to your driver
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16:30<jclinton>nexx: you should be able to use either nvidia-settings or perhaps even the xrandr program to do the additional monitor
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16:32<nexx>nvidia-settings only saw one monitor
16:32<nexx>xrandr also
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16:33<jclinton>nexx: ok you'll have to use Nvidia's TwinView system
16:33<jclinton>nexx: there is a file that explains this (it's rather opaque though) in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz
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16:34<jclinton>nexx: type "less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz"
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16:34<jclinton>nexx: then hit "/" and type "Chapter 13" ENTER
16:35<jclinton>nexx: follow those instructions
16:35<jclinton>nexx: admittedly it's not very nice
16:35<jclinton>nexx: that's all insanely easier in Xorg 7.3
16:35<nexx>i see
16:35<nexx>allright i'll read thru this, thanks
16:36<jclinton>don't worry about the optional options at first
16:36<jclinton>the driver should make it just magically happen
16:36<jclinton>nvidia-xconfig --twinview would probably be easier for you
16:37<jclinton>nexx: for future reference, the "single screen" multi monitor mode is what everything is moving to
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16:37<jclinton>ati has something similar called "mergedfb"
16:37<jclinton>in xorg 7.3, all the multimonitor stuff is a single frame buffer object
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16:38<jclinton>Cap_J_L_Picard: wow, some name
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16:39<Janeway>I win?
16:39<jclinton>yea, women in power = teh sexy
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16:39<nexx>ok i'll restart
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16:40<Janeway>IRC - where the boys are men, the women are men, and the girls are FBI agents
16:40<jclinton>you mean the men are women?
16:40<jclinton>i'm so confused...
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16:40<Cap_J_L_Picard>Janeway: yup, so what are androids (data)?
16:41<nexx>yup that got my other monitor on
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16:41<Cap_J_L_Picard>Janeway: lol
16:41<nexx>now i have to configure it
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16:42<Cap_J_L_Picard>Any way to kill a process in Disk Sleep?
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16:51<Deltantor>Is that going to make the universe explode?
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16:53<jclinton>Deltantor: IE 6 has been running on linux for quite some time now
16:53<Deltantor>I know
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16:53<jclinton>a few years at least
16:53<Deltantor>i just didnt expect windows update to work
16:54<jclinton>2 or 3 updates don't install
16:54<streuner>and what the fuck do you want with this crap? :-)
16:55<jclinton>web development on a single OS
16:55<jclinton>though i guess windows works for that now, too
16:56<jclinton>since safari 3.0
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16:56<Cap_J_L_Picard>night guys
16:57<jclinton>make it so!
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16:57<jclinton>ah, nerds
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17:07<moicano>jclinton a mae vai bem?
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17:07<jclinton>moicano: i only speak english and spanish
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17:30<HanX>i have an error when i want to "make"
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17:30<HanX>Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/source/
17:30<HanX>which packet I need to install ?
17:31<chealer>HanX: what are you trying to "make"?
17:31<HanX>wifi module
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17:42<wo0f>hi guys
17:42<jclinton>HanX: you probably want linux-kbuild
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17:42<jclinton>HanX: or linux-headers, actually; it will pull in the right stuff
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17:44<wo0f>when im partitioning my drive, why does debian jump from #1 for / , to #5 for /usr etc?
17:44<jclinton>wo0f: nothing to do with debian, it's a ms-dos part table problem
17:44<wo0f>oh, i see
17:45<jclinton>wo0f: if you use gpt partition tables, this is not an issue
17:45<wo0f>would wiping my mbr sort this problem?
17:45<jclinton>it's not really a problem per-say
17:45<jclinton>just not strictly logical
17:46<wo0f>and irritating:P
17:46<klhrevolutionist>Ok, I am using etch. And I have setup to where login is automatic via (rungetty). I have removed gdm as it is not needed.
17:46<wo0f>certainly needs to be resoloved lol
17:46<klhrevolutionist>Now when I go to the menu & shutdown the reboot & shutdown options are not their..
17:46<jclinton>wo0f: that's what gpt is
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17:46<blarson>wo0f: There are 4 primary partitions, and unlimited secondary.
17:46<jclinton>klhrevolutionist: those options only work with gdm
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17:46<blarson>wo0f: You can use only primary if you want.
17:47<wo0f>well, im using only 2, / and swap
17:47<wo0f>what would you recomend?
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17:48<klhrevolutionist>how would I get those options back w/out gdm ?
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17:50<wo0f>arhh yes jclinton, gpt:
17:50<somae7>how can I configure grub to boot a different partition?
17:50<wo0f>grub conf?
17:51<wo0f>presume youll also have to partition /boot
17:51<klhrevolutionist>edit menu.lst
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17:54<somae7>I added windows to the free space partition and then debian wouldn't boot anymore - so I deleted windows and reinstalled debian in the free space - now I've got an old installation of debian on hda1 and I don't know how to set it up to boot -
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17:54<somae7>I tried using menu.lst with no success -
17:54<jclinton>klhrevolutionist: you cannot get them back w/o gdm
17:55<jclinton>klhrevolutionist: those operations require root access and gdm runs as root and invokes those operations on your behalf
17:55<wo0f>somae7, i think if you dont have your boot loader in its own part, it runs from mbr, which windows over writes
17:56<wo0f>as far as i understand it, using mbr in this way isnt recommended
17:56<somae7>wo0f: that's what I thought - the installer kept giving error messages when I tried to configure it to boot hda1
17:57<somae7>I didn't see a way to install anywhere else
17:57<klhrevolutionist>jclinton: I know, but if I knew the file to edit I could set it up to reboot or shutdown.
17:57<jclinton>klhrevolutionist: what file to edit? i just told you... you cannot do it
17:57<jclinton>klhrevolutionist: put gdm back
17:59<wo0f>somae7, from what i can tell, you simply need to edit your grub conf then
17:59<wo0f>does grub still boot?
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18:00<somae7>wo0f: there doesn't seem to be a grub.conf
18:00<somae7>grub boots the new installation from hda2
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18:01<klhrevolutionist>jclinton: If I can edit the script that is called from the menu labeled as (Shut Down...) I would be able to edit it to my liking
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18:02<wo0f>somae7, but you wanna boot hda1? then your grub will be in your mbr, in any case there will still be a conf for it
18:02<wo0f>somae7, prob at /etc/grub.conf
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18:04<somae7>wo0f: there's no grub.conf - there is a menu.lst - I have a grub.conf listed in the old installation in usr/share/kernel-package/examples/kpkg_grub.conf
18:05<klhrevolutionist>that is what I said...
18:05<chealer>HanX: which wireless card do you use?
18:05<wo0f>tbh somae7, ii cant really help you im not an exspert or anything, just talking from my own exsperiance
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18:06<HanX>chealer : intel 4965... but it doesn't work for the moment
18:07<somae7>guess I'll search around on the web some more - haven't found an easy to understand tutorial about grub for doing this particular thing yet
18:07<wo0f>somae7, but id certainly recomend klhrevolutionist's words, and also: :D
18:07<klhrevolutionist>somae7: go to /boot/grub/ & open menu.lst
18:08<chealer>HanX: installing module-assistant then running # m-a prepare; should solve your problem
18:08<wo0f>somae7, :S you already have a serparate boot part?
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18:08<chealer>HanX: it's called a pack*age*, BTW
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18:09<wo0f>im just gonna shut up:P
18:10<somae7>klhrev: I already tried that - I added hda1 but when I run update-grub it erases it
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18:11<HanX>chealer nothing... :(
18:11<somae7>wo0f: it's booting from hda2 - the old installation is on hda1
18:12<HanX> << dpkg -l "grepped" perhaps I need another packet
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18:12<wo0f>somae7, ahhh
18:13<wo0f>somae7, so if its booting right from hda2, surely its chain loading from somwhere else first?
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18:13<chealer>HanX: what do you mean by "nothing"...m-a prepare didn't change anything to your problem?
18:13<HanX>no :'(
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18:15<somae7>wo0f: it's booting from the mbr - which was the only thing available from the installer
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18:18<chealer>HanX: did you try Google?
18:18<HanX>i did
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18:20<chealer>HanX: the first hit I'm seeing seems to have a solution
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18:23<chealer>HanX: and it suggests it's not a package you're missing
18:23<somae7>gonna check out the web site - thanks for the help -
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18:23<HanX>well i think something
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18:24<HanX>i must uncompress kernel source and make symbolic link in /lib/modules/kernel......./ ?
18:28<HanX>well I need to upgrade to sid... :s
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19:12<fanylad>how do i load a kernel module so that it is loaded automagically on boot? if i type modprobe module it only loads it one time.
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19:13<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
19:13<chealer>!tell nexx about msg the bot
19:13<nexx>oh im sory, i didn't realize there was a huge conversation going on in here atm
19:13<nexx>sory to be a pain
19:13<chealer>fanylad: you can use modconf or /etc/modules directly
19:15<fanylad>is modconf a utility? i don't see it on my system
19:15<chealer>fanylad: yes
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19:16<fanylad>thanks. chealer. i looked at the /etc/modules file and it all makes sense now.
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19:20<nexx>was w32codecs removed from the repo?
19:21<chealer>nexx: debian-multimedia?
19:21<jclinton>nexx: those are from the repos that i gave you
19:22<nexx>i see now, w32codecs is in the i386 repo not the amd64 one
19:22<jclinton>nexx: right
19:22<jclinton>nexx: you can download the win64 codecs from mplayer-hq directly
19:22<nexx>so what else can i do then?
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19:22<jclinton>nexx: more often than not, you don't need those codecs
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19:23<nexx>i dont have a wmv codec
19:23<jclinton>nexx: ffmpeg will decode wmv
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19:29<nexx>ffmpeg comes with its own player?
19:29<nexx>or do i have to use it to convert the movie into something else?
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19:30<chealer>nexx: no
19:30<chealer>!tell nexx about wmv
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19:31<nexx>so moral of the story, never download wmv :P
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19:39<jclinton>nexx: wmv works just fine
19:39<jclinton>nexx: all you need is a player that has bindings to the libffmpeg stuffs
19:39<jclinton>nexx: mplayer, xine, totem-xine, etc
19:39<jclinton>nexx: vlc is another popular one
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19:41<jclinton>you can also strip the WMV DRM off those files if they have them
19:41<jclinton>to exercise your fairuse rights if you really do own them
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19:46<nexx>jclinton: ok thanks
19:47<nexx>i dont think these videos have DRM any ways
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19:57<nexx>when changing swap partitions do you absolutley have to go to run level 1?
19:58<Supaplex>no. swapoff
19:58<Supaplex>swapd does stuff like that dymanicly all the time.
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20:00<nexx>Supaplex: ok thanks
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20:02<rata>i installed nvidia drivers and "compiz" (and compiz-gnome, from unstable) package and i am triying to use compiz(i also enable composite extension and others things, ask me for more details :). My current wm is fluxbox, i run "compiz --replace" it says "Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0" and "Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0". Its necesary to have gnome wm ? is there a way i can install a wm without installin all g
20:02<rata>nome ?
20:03<dli>rata, compiz is a wm, you can not use it in fluxbox which is a wm itself
20:04<rata>dli, its not listed in "window managers" section of debian menu. How can i tell to use that wm ?
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20:04<dli>rata, read compiz wiki
20:05<rata>dli, you mean ?
20:07<amphi>rata: what does compiz --version say?
20:07<rata>GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is available with direct rendering.
20:07<rata>Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to find a valid file for theme Clearlooks
20:07<rata>compiz 0.5.2
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20:08<rata>amphi, that, sorry. I confused and dont put it on one line
20:08<jclinton>rata, use gnome and be done with it
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20:09<rata>jclinton, i dont want to =)
20:09<jclinton>well then don't try to reap the benefits of their work
20:09<amphi>rata: you can just start compiz from your ~/.xsession like any other wn
20:10<rata>jclinton, i thought it has it own wm. Beryl has emerald if i am not wrong
20:10<Alexandre>it has some Brazilian here?
20:10<rata>amphi, hmm, i tried it and i get all screen black when i login and could do nothing
20:11<jclinton>and exactly who is going to provide you a panel? application list? way to start programs?
20:11<amphi>rata: so do xinit and start it from the term; first thing you od is setup a keybinding to launch a term ;)
20:12<amphi>rata: you'll want 'ccp' in compiz's command line if you want to use ccsm to configure it (which you probably do)
20:12<amphi>rata: you'll also probably want to start a decorator
20:13<amphi>jclinton: a keybinding to launch a term, and another for grun - no need for menus
20:13<jclinton>compiz starts the decorator
20:13<amphi>jclinton: there are any number of panels
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20:13<jclinton>sounds like a lot of work for something already done...
20:14<rata>amphi, sorry, i lost. To do what with xinit ? :S. I put "compiz" in my ~/.xsession and then i get lost :)
20:14<amphi>jclinton: eh? I had the same in openbox - application menus are useless IMHO
20:15[~]amphi wonders what jclinton is grumbling about
20:16<jclinton>i sense the usual Luddites resistance to any attempts to standardize on a usable desktop environment
20:17<amphi>if I wanted a fucking DE I would install one
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20:17<jclinton>you're creating one from scratch that eats up more resources, screen realestate and your time that you would if you just DID install one...
20:17<amphi>jclinton: er, no
20:18<jclinton>oh right, because a terminal window to enslave your application spawning is so much smaller than a panel on the edge of your screen...
20:18<rata>amphi, sorry, can you repeat me what to de with xinit and ccms ? I really dont understand :S
20:20<amphi>jclinton: wtf? I run terminal programs in a terminal, and use grun as a launcher for gui progrms - what is this enslavement of which you speak?
20:20<amphi>jclinton: what is this DE that you think we should all use?
20:21<jclinton>either Gnome, KDE or XFCE
20:21<jclinton>unless you're developing a new one, then more power to you
20:21<amphi>I don't want a DE at all; I just like a wm on top of X
20:23<amphi>rata: ask in #compiz-fusion on
20:23<rata>amphi, ok, thanks. But do you know if in debian's repositories there is all i need to make it work ?
20:24<amphi>jclinton: what do you have against people setting up their X environments as they please?
20:24<amphi>rata: what branch of debian?
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20:24<rata>amphi, sid
20:24<jclinton>nothing at all, but my answer to his extermely complicated question was "just use gnome and be done with it"
20:24<amphi>jclinton: I understood he didn't want to use gnome
20:25<amphi>perhaps I misunderstood
20:25<amphi>rata: should work fine on side
20:25<amphi>rata: *sid
20:25<amphi>rata: I don't know what's in the sid packages though, I build from git
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20:29<rata>amphi, ok, thanks!
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20:30<Toker>how can i find out what packeges i have installed?
20:31<chealer>Toker: what's your favorite package manager?
20:31<jclinton>Toker: either synaptic in the GUI or aptitude at a command line
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20:31<Toker>i usualy use apt-get ........
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20:32<Toker>but basicly installed a package the other day, but forget what it was.
20:32<amphi>Toker: or dpkg -l | grp '^ii' | less
20:32<jclinton>Toker: "dpkg -l", then
20:33<Toker>ahh nice one.. thanks amphi, jclinton
20:33<chealer>Toker: check dpkg's log
20:34<Toker>brilliant.. thanks..
20:36<Toker>cant get on with the gui's, i find them to be unstable on my system.
20:36<Toker>so trying to learn things the hard way.
20:36<Toker>kde keeps freezin on me. dunno y. but i ent to worried about it.
20:40<jclinton>kde 3.x is rather unmaintained at the moment
20:40<jclinton>what with kde 4 right around the corner
20:41<Toker>guess i will wait for that then
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20:43<Toker>oh btw, this is the most frienly, helpfull channel i found ty.
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20:44<chealer>jclinton: kde 3 is as maitained as usual
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20:45<jclinton>chealer: is it opposite day where you live?
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20:45<chealer>jclinton: /whois
20:46<jclinton>i am, of course, not discussing the state of debian maintainership
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20:46<chealer>jclinton: neither was I
20:47<jclinton>so what was i supposed to gather from /whois? i'm lost...
20:47<chealer>jclinton: "/whois chealer" will tell you that I'm in America, although I suppose you didn't really wan to know that
20:48<jclinton>um ok
20:48<Toker><-- is a limey ;)
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20:58<patricio>hey guys.......I am now running 2.6.21-2-686 and at boot-time, I am getting an error 'build module failed'.....I can provide bootlog file for review.......anyone?
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21:00<jclinton>patricio: error from which init script?
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21:00<jclinton>i'm guessing vmware...
21:00<chealer>patricio: go ahead
21:01<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:01<patricio>here is the bootlog file...........
21:02<jclinton>you cut off the part we need
21:03<jclinton>either way, patricio, install "linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686"
21:03<patricio>I did?
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21:03<jclinton>and that's it
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21:03<patricio>already newest version
21:04<jclinton>then it's a bug in the script from the vendor of that init script
21:04<jclinton>you should contact your vendor for support
21:04<patricio>it also tells me that linux-headers-2.... set to manual installed
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21:06<patricio>here is more of the bootlog file....
21:06[~]nexx wants every one know that he has fallen in love with debian and plans to wed next are all invited
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21:07<jclinton>patricio: the person that made the init script is starting silently
21:08<jclinton>patricio: what did you install?
21:08<jclinton>patricio: what did you install that is NOT from debian?
21:08<patricio>nothing that I can think of
21:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 294] by debhelper
21:09<jclinton>patricio: you've installed at least Linuxant
21:09<jclinton>patricio: what else?
21:10<jclinton>that doesn't generate a new module for you....
21:10<jclinton>unless you didn't use the debian package?
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21:12<patricio>I am thinking it maybe the 'driverloader'.........
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21:18<nexx>does any one know a good X program for extracting .rar files...or know of a way to make the archive manager handle .rar files
21:19<Requiem>you have to install the .rar packages
21:19<ricky>nexx: installing unrar *might* make the archive manager magically support it- I'm not 100% sure.
21:19<Requiem>should be in the non-free repository
21:19<nexx>ok i'll check
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21:20<nexx>nope didn't work
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21:20<patricio>hey guys.....I removed the 'driverloader' and I no longer got the 'build module failed' error at boot......
21:20<nexx>Requiem: are you talking about unrar-free and unrar?
21:22<Requiem>at least, unrar seems to be what I have installed
21:22<nexx>so i have to unrar every thing manually thru the command line? there is no program out there that will do it thru X?
21:22<jclinton>gnome-archiver, also
21:23<gravity>Isn't fileroller able to use rar/unrar if they're available?
21:24<Requiem>dunno, I've successfully used ark and comix for rar files
21:24<nexx>sory, i didn't install rar, just unrar
21:24<Requiem>never had reason for anything else
21:24<nexx>yes fileroller works now
21:27<Requiem>hrm, rar is listed as being 'c' for me
21:27<Requiem>dunno what that means
21:28<jclinton>Requiem: previously installed, config files remaining
21:28<Requiem>ah right
21:28<Requiem>got rid of it cause it's sharewar
21:29<Requiem>and I have little need to archive things as rar anyway
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21:40<ptr>Sure is quiet in here tonight'
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21:41<JasonS>dont you jinx it ptr
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21:43<ptr>What's a linux?
21:43<chealer>ptr: Linux is a proper name.
21:43<ptr>Thank you!
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21:48<dpkg>rumour has it, linux is closed
21:48<Supaplex>hah wrong.
21:49<jclinton>Linux is the final boss on the Internet.
21:49<chealer>!factinfo linux
21:49<dpkg>linux -- created by linux <> at Sun Mar 26 08:59:07 2000 (2730 days); it has been requested 711 times, last by Supaplex, 38s ago; it has been locked by linux.
21:50<Supaplex>!seen linux
21:50<dpkg>linux <~tfeby@> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 52d 12h 56m 45s ago, saying: 'hai'.
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21:50<chealer>hehe, I doubt that's the same guy
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21:52<GNU\Linux>There, now Chewbacca Stallman will be happy
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21:53<jclinton>there's a skit in there somewhere
21:53<GNU\Linux>hee hee
21:53<Supaplex>or a skirt
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22:02<family>hey guys i am making a custom iso cd i was wondering what would be a good automatic harddrive installation cd.
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22:04<family>let me retry phrasing. I am debootstrapping etch i am placing a sid 2.6 kernel under it and xorg with fvwm. i have all the files in a folder called source. i need a installation cd to copy all the files from source onto the harddrive and place a grub loader so it will load my system.
22:05<TrollStar>family: so you try to re-invent the wheel and do what the debian installer doesß
22:06<TrollStar>good luck then
22:06<family>trollstar i just need a simple installation script.
22:06<Supaplex>are you thinking FAI?
22:07[~]Supaplex reads again
22:07<Supaplex>yeah, why not use fai?
22:07<dpkg>fai is probably Fully Automatic Installation for debian at or at #fai
22:07<family>aw sweet
22:08<family>supaplex i was trying to figure out what fai was :P
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22:08<family>googled it and found football association of ireland not it federal acqusition institute couldnt be it :P i didnt want to ask
22:09<family>thank you that looks like what i need.
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22:37<G-L1nk>help pls
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22:37<G-L1nk>serverme:/home/adm-gss# ls
22:37<G-L1nk>bash: ls: command not found
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22:38<G-L1nk>serverme:/home/adm-gss# apt-get update
22:38<G-L1nk>bash: apt-get: command not found
22:38<G-L1nk>is have Brazilian in canal?
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23:16<family>will this work? im going to mount a iso file so i can edit it mount -o loop some iso /home/iso
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23:17<family>or is it mount -o loop iso9660 some.iso /home/iso
23:19<Supaplex>-o loop
23:19<Supaplex>-o loop,ro i mean
23:19<Supaplex>-t iso9660 :)
23:19<family>aw okay supaplex :)
23:19<Supaplex>but no, you can't edit the mounted portion. you can remaster it though
23:20<family>hmm alright i think i can do this
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23:24<family>mkdir -p $NewMake; sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/dapper-live-i386.iso /cdrom ; cd $NewMake; mkdir os; cp -a /cdrom/. something
23:25<Supaplex>dapper-live? is that a typo of debian-live? ;) hehe
23:25<Supaplex>!tell family about debian-live
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