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---Logopened Mon Sep 17 00:00:05 2007
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00:02<nexx>is there any benchmark software for debian?
00:03<nexx>or do people usually compare the compilation time of a certain program?
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01:08<manphiz>I've a question about qemu+kqemu with freebsd, which is described in detail at
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01:09<simonrvn>and why are you asking here?
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01:11<manphiz>no one replied yet, or maybe someone here didn't see it yet
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01:12<simonrvn>it's a freebsd question. i fail to see the relevance to debian other than that's a debian list
01:13<jm_>debian/kfreebsd? :)
01:13<manphiz>simonrvn, the problem only show up in Debian's kqemu, not in other distro's.
01:13<manphiz>jm_, no, I tried to run freebsd in qemu under Debian sid, which ended up fatal trap 9.
01:14<jm_>manphiz: does it work wihout kqemu?
01:14<manphiz>but only debian's kqemu has this problem, not in gentoo, not in LFS, and not even in Windows
01:14<jm_>ahh I should read your psot first :)
01:14<simonrvn>ah, i see what you're getting at
01:14<manphiz>jm_, yes, it works without kqemu
01:15<simonrvn>kqemu is just the "accelerator" kernel mod
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01:15<jm_>manphiz: well how can you be sure gentoo has the same code?
01:15<jm_>"just" :)
01:15<manphiz>jm_, I'm not sure, so I wonder if there's any disparity between them
01:15<simonrvn>on my box it wouldn't matter
01:16<simonrvn>it's too damned slow ;)
01:16<manphiz>hehe, that's one beauty about full virtualization :P
01:17<simonrvn>...and what's that exactly?
01:18<manphiz>After a sacrifice of efficiency, it runs everything :)
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01:19<simonrvn>no thanks
01:19<manphiz>so, do you think it worth a bug report towards kqemu?
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01:22<jm_>well first check existing bugs
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01:24<manphiz>Search got 3 results, no similar thing.
01:27<jm_>then file a bug I guess
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01:35<serge>Hello! I have two identical hardware cases, except eth adapters - they are different (3com and Realtek). On the first one Debian Etch was installed from DVD, the second one was done just hdd cloning. The problem is that the second doen't bring up it's eth0 (Realtek) - ifconfig shows only lo, no eth at all, but the lsmod shows that 8136too module is loaded. Which steps chould I take to fix the problem?
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01:36<jm_>8139too you mean?
01:36<Supaplex>serge: ifconfig -a ?
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01:37<jm_>are you sure it's not eth1? udev would do that to you
01:37<Supaplex>if you cloned the drive, /etc/udev/rules.d/
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01:41<serge>ifconfig -a lists eth1 eth2 lo sit0 -- all except lo without IP...
01:44<jm_>see above
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01:46<simonrvn>ChIKa has same IP block as Obie
01:47<klys__>could mean they're at the same school or use the same isp
01:47<simonrvn>ChIKa: here to spam your useless channel again?
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01:48<test1>hi, is there any one using external USB modem with linux without problem?
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01:48<serge>jm_: yes, 8139too. Supaplex: ...udev/rules.d/z25 lists three eth (do I need to edit it manually?..): the old one from original system 3c59x which actually doesn't exists, embedded forcedeth - this one doen't work in Etch at all (..I probably need to disable it in BIOS) and Realtek. What is drive/filesystem/etc ?
01:49<jm_>serge: just comment out all the lines in z25 file and it'll be OK
01:51<serge>Thank you guys, it's fixed now!
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01:54<serge>btw, is forcedeth driver problem fixed, does anybody know?
01:54<chealer>serge: which forcedeth driver problem?
01:55<serge>Etch kernel detects forcedeth and load the proper driver, but it doesn't work...
01:55<chealer>Supaplex: I don't understand why he had such a problem. how does persistent net cause that?
01:55<gsimmons>test1: It depends on your modem hardware. I've previously used a dial-up USB (CDC ACM) modem without too much issue.
01:55<chealer>serge: "doesn't work" is a bit vague.
01:56<jm_>I have no problems with forcedeth driver, then again, I am not using Debian kernels
01:56<serge>I've tested it last week, so I had to install external eth adaptor to connect the PC to network..
01:57<Supaplex>chealer: /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules
01:57<serge>Once i disabled embedded eth and installed external one - the problem was solved.
01:57<test1>gsimmons, i don't have USB modem, i asked above, just for selecting one to buy
01:57<serge>jm_: which kernel do you use?
01:58<test1>is there anyone experiencing with D-LINK562M USB modem ?
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01:58<gsimmons>test1: Check against one of the hardware compatibility lists.
01:58<jm_>serge: custom built 2.6.20 now, there were problems with 2.6.8 but 2.6.12 and onwards works for me
01:58<chealer>Supaplex: yes...
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01:59<Supaplex>chealer: so if he copied the filesystems over, /etc/network/interfaces won't have the net interface. he also mentioned differing drivers. just some speed bumps :)
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02:00<test1>gsimmons, which list, what address ?
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02:01<gsimmons>!tell test1 -about hcl
02:01<chealer>Supaplex: rather than changing eth0 to eth2...OK
02:02<jm_>chealer: the thing is it increments the number each time it detects new hardware, same for cdrom? links, pretty annoying
02:03<chealer>jm_: yes. I didn't realize his question was specifically about eth0.
02:04<serge>jm_: hmm, it looks interesting. I have 2.6.18-4-686 by default. Do I need to re-build my custom kernel?.. Let me see, is there newer versions of kernel in Debian stable repository...
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02:06<jm_>serge: why don't you specify what problems you ar ehaving instead?
02:07<chealer>udev is featureful. my USB stick creates 4 CD symlinks
02:07<jm_>I had USB CD-ROM, it got all the way from cdrom0 to cdrom3 by the time I moved it to the case ;)
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02:12<chealer>interesting. the links point to where the hidden content (U3) hides.
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02:12<dpkg>somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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02:13<serge>jm_: which steps should I take to localise the problem. My system doesn't work with embedded forcedeth Ethernet, but works ok with 3com or Realtek 8139C which I have installed in spare PCI slot. What kind of information should I provide? The distro is Debian Etch 4.0 ...
02:14<serge>kernel 2.6.18-4-686
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02:16<chealer>!doesn't work
02:16<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
02:16<chealer>dpkg: doesn't work =~ s/ambiguous/vague/
02:16<dpkg>OK, chealer
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02:18<simonrvn>"an vague"? :)
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02:19<chealer>dpkg: doesn't work =~ s/an vague/a vague/
02:19<dpkg>OK, chealer
02:19<chealer>!win simonrvn
02:19<dpkg>Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
02:20<simonrvn>oooh. just what i always wanted, a set of coasters for each room
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02:23<jm_>serge: ahh it's likely the same issue we have just described
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02:24<Fox_1_>people my anonftpsync script download packages which names contaions 'sarge3' work. does it ok?
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02:42<plm156>can debian be installed on a 200mb hard disk ?
02:43<plm156>debian sid
02:43<chealer>plm156: no
02:43<jm_>plm156: installation manual lists requirements
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02:47<ameyer>I had a really old thinkpad with a bad screen, 486 of unknown speed, and 8 MB of RAM. Thing had a 350 MB or so hard drive, so even if the HD wasn't an issue, the amount of RAM probably would be
02:47<plm156>"without the ?Standard system? task selected, will take 225MB."
02:47<plm156>i am close
02:47<ameyer>(I guess I'm saying plm156's system was long since obsolete 4 and a half years ago)
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02:48<plm156>ameyer, the hard disk comes (and will return) to a 486/20mb ram , install @ p1 133mhz 32 mb ram
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02:49<plm156>i ll go for it....
02:49<ameyer>You can try, but it probably won't work well
02:49<ameyer>even if it installs
02:52<plm156>fingers crossed
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02:54<ameyer>don't expect anything more than a CLI to run on that
02:54<ameyer>and the bare base install is virtually useless, to be honest
02:55<ameyer>I should shut up
02:55<plm156>ameyer, well i have run postgres with a 2gb hard disk on the 486
02:55<ameyer>your problem is mostly disk space
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02:56<plm156>well a live cdrom can give me 650 mb more
02:57<ameyer>although I would be surprised if X ran on something with those specs
02:57<ameyer>if I recall correctly, X + fluxbox uses 30 MB or so
02:58<ameyer>(of RAM(
02:59<plm156>i think X take a lot of resources (for my defintition of resources)
02:59<ameyer>yes it does
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03:00<ameyer>if you're hitting swap before you're really doing anything it's somewhat painful (not to mention the old/slow HD)
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03:03<shaun>hi guys
03:03<shaun>i'm newby here :)
03:04<shaun>is there anyone online now?
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03:05<sortadi>where does --unpack unpacks a package using dpkg?
03:06<ameyer>plm156: I hate to suggest this, but Windows 95 would run fairly well on that (if you call what Windows 95 does "running"), if you really needed a GUI
03:07<ameyer>also, you might have better luck with an older release of a distro (no security fixes, though)
03:07<shaun>wow, some guys still using windows95?
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03:08<ameyer>Apparently one or two people still use W95
03:08<ameyer>you even see a laptop with Windows 3.1 on eBay
03:09<ameyer>I hate to admit this, but my first computer ran Windows 3.1
03:09<shaun>faint ^_^
03:09<plm156>it just an experiment really, to see what debian can do
03:10<ameyer>I should actually pounce on one a Windows 3.1 laptop one of these days
03:10<ameyer>they usually don't sell or sell for really cheap
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03:21<matt_>What network is this??
03:22<chealer>matt_: OFTC
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03:33<txete>debian español
03:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:24<serge>Please can anybody help me with USB printer and lprng. It seems I have everything configured properly. Printer was detected by kernel and proper divice /dev/usb/lp0 was created. Here is /etc/printcap content: hplj1018:\
04:24<serge> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
04:24<serge> :mx#0:\
04:24<serge> :sh:\
04:24<serge> :lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\
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04:24<serge> :NUP=1:\
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04:29<Greesmunkee>Where did the xen kernel packages for sid go? Can only see etch in the repository...
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04:30<@Ganneff>serge: use a paste site. do not paste here
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04:31<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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04:31<serge>can anybody help me with lprng?
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04:32<serge>..sorry guys
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04:33<Greesmunkee>perhaps a better question would be: What is the best virtualization option for non VT capable CPU's. I have tried kvm (apparently only for new CPU's until kvm-lite appears?), VirtualBox and something else which I forget the name of but can't really see the wood through the trees...
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04:34<serge>lpr eat printing task but no printing on HPLJ 1018 (USB).
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04:40<Greesmunkee>serge: Did you try cups?
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04:44<Greesmunkee>If you read the Debian wiki ( CUPS+printconf should do what you want.
04:45<serge>Greesmunkee: yes. It's works bad with ethernet printers, at least it was true for cups version under FC 4. Was it fixed?
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04:47<Seal>abnybody know why i cannoct join to - if i use command "aptitude install proftpd" linux write me: error :-(
04:47<JasonS>Seal: im sure it says more then just error
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04:50<Seal> <JasonS> here is error :
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04:51<Seal> <JasonS> i find this some problem on net, but without answer :-(
04:52<Seal> <JasonS> this some error in all "aptitude install xxxx"
04:52<JasonS>heh, hmm helps if i could read the language i see :)
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04:54<JasonS>Seal: can you translate into english? that or there may be a #debian in your native language
04:54<Seal> <JasonS> 1-9 rows are ok, 10 - nothing for translate, 11 - "i cannoct state ( ftp.....
04:56<JasonS>Seal: try another mirror?
04:56[~]JasonS goes for more coffee
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04:57<simonrvn>LANG=C aptitude install foo
04:57<simonrvn>then paste that
04:58<Seal><JasonS> i dont know mirror :-( - in my language i dont find forum about debian - i dont know "how" mirror i must add and "where" i must add :-(
04:59<Seal> <simonrvn>
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05:04<Greesmunkee>serge: I have no idea what happens with FC...
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05:08<Seal><pennyk_> near my state (Czech Republic) write: , but with this i have error
05:08<ifvoid>Seal: which error, exactly?
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05:10<serge>Greesmunkee: not FC, I fighting now under Etch... The solution seems here:
05:11<serge>there is new protocol for some new printers. Btw, I've just tried cups also, but no luck... Need to download drv from that URL compile it and install... :-/
05:12<Seal><ifvoid> here is error :
05:13<ifvoid>Seal: works fine here
05:13<ifvoid>Seal: so it seems there is something wrong with your network setup
05:13<ifvoid>can you try this command?
05:13<ifvoid>LANG=C wget
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05:15<Seal><ifvoid> i have webserver on my comp and this works fine - i mean, if net is ok. Command:
05:16<ifvoid>Seal: your name rsolving seems broken
05:16<ifvoid>what does "host" say?
05:16<ifvoid>what are hte contents of /etc/resolv.conf?
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05:20<Seal><ifvoid> whost .... - and in resolv.conf i see my old IP - here is problem? - in conf are two different rows, but i mean, if is my old IP
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05:21<serge>People, my printer problem shows it's necessary to include in the nearest stable release new version of pkg foo2zjs (see: for more info...). How to inform the mantainers?
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05:26<ifvoid>Seal: resolv.conf should have at least one line saying "nameserver a.b.c.d" with a.b.c.d the ip of the nameserver of your internet provider
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05:28<Seal> <ifvoid> nameserver =
05:28<elirips>hello. in etch, i can hibernate using gnome-power-manager (seems to work, laptop powers down), but on the next boot it doesn't resume, it just starts up normally. i added resume=/dev/hda6 (my swap) to the kernel options, but it still doesn't work. any ideas?
05:28<rich0rd>hey there everyone - I have some problems with my ISP and I don't get a configuration via the dhclient dhcp client- but dhcpcd works just fine. So the question is - how do i set dhcpcd as the default dhcp client?
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05:30<Seal><rich0rd> /etc/network ? - maybe, but i dont understand on 100%, but i have problem in past in my IP
05:30<Seal><rich0rd> i write on this file my IP configuration and after all be fine
05:31<micha-->hi, I'm using lxoffice (an office software) with postgresql 8.1 on testing. now lxoffice can't connect to the database anymore. i think this was caused by the postgresql-common update in testing (to version 77). afterwards a dialog told me that my datasbase had to be migrated to postgresql 8.2 -- i ignored that, because i am still using 8.1, but since then my database is no longer there. where can i find information on this postgres cluster
05:31<micha--> update?
05:33<rich0rd>Seal: yeah that's how I also do it know, i just wondered if there is a setting to switch from dhclient to dhcpcd- because maybe our IP may change
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05:34<Seal> <ifvoid> i call my provider and himgeve me new nameserver number - now aptitude is function, thanks :!!!
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05:35<Seal><rich0rd> sorry its now hard for me - english and dhclient i know verry little :-( now i must find "how" i can install xka :D
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05:38<rich0rd>Seal: no problem, thanks for your help
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05:47<Titboy>anyone have experiance with installing 4.0r1 on Asus P5WD2-E Premium
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05:48<jm_>I don't think it would help you if we tell you "yes" or "no"
05:53<Titboy>heh, true. During install, it has to detect the cdrom again, but it freezes there
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05:53<jm_>is that P35 chipset?
05:54<jm_>kernel hard locks or what?
05:56<Titboy>not really sure what that means, but im still able to get to 2nd tty
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05:57<sugarmice>Has anyone ever experience NIS timeouts that only affect root, but not ordinary users?
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05:58<jm_>ok then kernel doesn't hang
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06:01<Titboy>Error message i can see -> "The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)"
06:02<jm_>and nothing else?
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06:03<Titboy>"cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)"
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06:05<jm_>it should say more
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06:08<Titboy>could you maybe guide me what i should be looking for ?
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06:08<jm_>run dmesg, see what it says
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06:10<jm_>Titboy: do you have IDE mode setting in the BIOS?
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06:11<jm_>what is it set to?
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06:12<jm_>set it to Compatibility and try again
06:12<Titboy>compatibility -> then im missin 2 sata drives
06:13<Titboy>but im going to try that, then change it back after install see how it goes
06:14<jm_>or boot with acpi=off
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06:16<Titboy>wont that mess up my dualcore +
06:16<jm_>hmm in which sense?
06:17<Titboy>i mean, linux will only detect my cpu as a single core right ?
06:17<jm_>hmm not quite sure, I still only have single core CPU-s
06:17<lupine>acpi has nothing to do with dualcore
06:17<lupine>it's power management
06:17<weasel>not quite correct.
06:18<jm_>but in kernel config ACPI is not needed for SMP option
06:18<weasel>Titboy: I think you might be right. there's a way to find out
06:18<jm_>do you perhaps mean APIC?
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06:45<akrass>I have following problem. When I close laptop's screen it switch off, and then when I open it, it don't switch on. Reboot helps me. But ... :-(((( Notebook Dell Inspirion 1300n Debian 4.0r1
06:46<akrass>Is it possible to fix?
06:48<filemover>hi i set up a public file server and i want to test it does anyone want to try to connect
06:48<filemover>ill give the address
06:49<kapil>akrass: do you have "acpi-support" installed?
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06:49<filemover>no i just installed kpf and i can reach it inside my network
06:49<akrass>kapil: yes
06:50<filemover>but i dont knw about outside
06:51<akrass>kapil: Should I remove it?
06:51<kapil>akrass: no. it is the package that may help!
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06:52<filemover>isnt there something in Power options for that
06:52<kapil>akrass: when you said that it doesn't switch on do you mean it hangs or that shutting the lid shuts the laptop down?
06:52<filemover>i think he means it goes blank
06:53<kapil>akrass: is filemover right? ^^
06:53<akrass>kapil: The screen is switched off. The laptop works good.
06:54<kapil>akrass: so when you shut the lid the screen blanks but it does not unblank when you open the lid.
06:54<akrass>Yes it's goes blank.
06:54<akrass>kapil: correct
06:54<filemover>try esc
06:54<filemover>see if that brings it back up
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06:55<akrass>filemover: just push esc button?
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06:55<filemover>yeah its worth a try
06:55<filemover>but listen to kapil
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06:56<akrass>I'll try it now, I'll reappear here in few minutes, if it will not work.
06:56<filemover>i mean try hitting esc while its on in its blank state
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06:58<filemover>does anyone want to try this fileserver i want to see if it works
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06:58<kapil>akrass,filemover: have to go now. akrass' problem may be a suspend/resume problem.
06:59<filemover>its related to power i know tht
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07:00<filemover>hows it going
07:00<akrass>I'm here again. esc don't work
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07:00<filemover>akrass: try going to the Debian wikki
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07:02<akrass>I know it is not only my problem. I've see it on some wwws people have the same.
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07:03<akrass>Where is Debian wikki?
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07:03<noflash>akrass, checked the bts ?
07:04<akrass>noflash: bts??? button?
07:04<noflash>akrass, did your box come with a search engine?
07:04<noflash>!tell akrass -about bts
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07:05<filemover>there is a link for the wiki at the top of the irc channel
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07:05<akrass>I see.
07:06<filemover>if your using gnome try and look for the power management section
07:06<filemover>there might be some settings there that might help out
07:07<akrass>I'm gnome user. But I didn't found nothing that helps me.
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07:10<shawn_>hello, is there a way to burn an image on a dvd directly from the internet on-the-fly?(withtout the need of hard disk space)
07:10<filemover>are u kidding
07:11<akrass>filemover, thx, I have Dell, but I'll read all and return in 50 min. :-)
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07:12<seanius>shawn_: i believe you can burn cd/dvd's from a pipe, but generally that will lead to lots of coasters
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07:12<filemover>i reckon youll get loads of buffer problems with it
07:12<sugarmice>Any NIS/nsswitch.conf experts present?
07:12<seanius>esp if your dl speed is anything close to your burner speed
07:13<seanius>i would only try something like that on a gigabit lan
07:13<filemover>and if your connection drops out there goes a perfectly good disk
07:13<shawn_>if i get typically 1Mb/s on my internet
07:13<shawn_>and im in north of france and the morror is in germany
07:13<jm_>you can increase buffer size for your burning process
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07:14<JasonS>shawn_: while it may be possible to do unless you want to make coasters or sun catchers it would be better to dl to the drive then burn it
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07:14<filemover>yeah try and make some room for it
07:14<filemover>borrow an external drive or something
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07:15<JasonS>burn stuff to dvd? back up? look at this as a good reason to clean up the drive?
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08:44<paveq>how do I prevent interface getting ipv6 address
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08:44<paveq>its getting this inet6 addr: 2001:14b8:121:1:230:48ff:fe21:5e4f/64 Scope:Global and then tries to retrive package lists via ipv6, which is not working
08:44<lupine>blacklist the ipv6 module
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08:44<lupine>but, hey, you seem to have ip6 connectivity
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08:44<paveq>no I don't have :D
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08:45<paveq>it doesn't work, I dunno where did that address come
08:45<BeraldoLeal>where is the channel of the listmaster team ? here ?
08:45<fabhen>anybody can give some tips to a new Debian user?
08:46<JasonS>fabhen: read read and read some more
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08:49<gsimmons>!tell fabhen -about grounding
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08:51<nadyard>I'm just coming to Linux for the first time and in an odd way really because I couldn't seem to install windows on this makeshift computer so - in desperation really - I tried DSL instead and lo and behold it actually worked so now I'm the most inexperianced Linux user in the world more than likely :)
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08:51<nadyard>There was suposed to be aHello first
08:51<nadyard>sorry about that
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08:53<nadyard>What I wanted to know is this - is Debian the closest I'm going to get to DSL for support?
08:53<dpkg>well, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>)
08:54<nadyard>Thanks dpkg
08:54<dpkg>nadyard: de nada
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08:55<nadyard>I thought DSL was based on Debian
08:55<nadyard>It does seem very different though
08:55<JasonS>!based on
08:55<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
08:55<nadyard>Ok fair enough
08:56<nadyard>I would have chosed Debian but this box is too old more than likely
08:56<JasonS>nadyard: look on thier website they likely have a support link be it forum, irc, mailing list etc. how old is the box anyhow?
08:56<nadyard>11 years
08:56<JasonS>heh damn
08:57<nadyard>it's an old PII 400
08:57<nadyard>I was just being Green and not throwing it away
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08:57<nadyard>with 128 RAM
08:57<JasonS>perhaps a cmd line install or one of teh smaller wm/de would do
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08:57<nadyard>Yeah it seems to be the Windows that stop it working
08:58<nadyard>anyway I'm getting used to using the CMD
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08:58<JasonS>nadyard: x or kde/gnome not installing?
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08:58<nadyard>It didn't no but in fairness neither did XP I think it's just too slow
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08:59<nadyard>I kind of like having no windows actually it loads so fast it reminds me of DR Dos
08:59<nadyard>If anyone's old enought to remember that :)
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09:00<nadyard>Anyway I better get off aand stop taking up your time
09:01<nadyard>Seeya some time if I try Debian full again
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09:23<paveq>lupine: from where, kernel module?
09:23<paveq>is there any other way to prevent apt looking packages with ipv6
09:24<paveq>I don't get this, I do ip addr del <address> and it comes back
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09:24<lupine>is radvd running?
09:25<paveq>I dunno
09:25<paveq>someone suggested our router might be running it...
09:25<paveq>I don't know
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09:29<paveq>lupine: yes it was, not anymore
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09:49<sasha>hi, in console mode , under a directory what is the parameter associated with du to liste the size of the directories and files
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09:51<lupine>depends on exactly what you want to do. man du for full details; I tend to use du -hs
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09:52<UrsoBranco>anyone can point me out a document that explains how to create a debian package which accepts a dpk-reconfigure command ?
09:53<sasha>lupine thanks , and how can i liste the names , id of the groups and the users associated with it
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09:54<lupine>not a clue how (or if) du can do it
09:54<lupine>you could probably pipe the filenames to ls or something, though
09:56<sasha>ok , thanks
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09:57<maxamillion>is it possible to use a debian-live cd and install from it or do i need to go ahead and download another image?
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09:58<kevinl>maxamillion, i dont think debian-live images really have the installer thing all figured out yet
09:58<panthera>we are currently fixing the last remaining issues in order to allow live-cd installation with d-i;
09:58<kevinl>nm, listen to panthera ;)
09:58<panthera>in the meanwhile, you either can use either combined livecs with netinst on it,
09:58<panthera>or use a normal debian installation cd.
09:58<kevinl>panthera, is the plan to install the live-system to the HD or to install a normal debian system
09:58<maxamillion>kevinl: k, thanks :)
09:59<maxamillion>i don't mind downloading another image, just figured i would ask
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09:59<panthera>kevinl: live-installer replaces bootstrap-base in d-i, means,
09:59<panthera>kevinl: instead of downloading .deb files (or fetching them from the cd),
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10:00<panthera>kevinl: the squashfs image is unpacked. so, you end up with an 'original' debian system.
10:00<panthera>just the way to it is a bit different.
10:00<panthera>another thing is, that i would like to have an option in live-installer, so that it actually install the live-system
10:01<kevinl>oh ok, so you get a copy of the live system chroot on your new normal install
10:01<panthera>to the hd, so that the livecd is run from hd instead of cd after it.
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10:01<panthera>the first one (normal debian system by unpacking the squashfs image) is done, except
10:01<panthera>that there is a strange error with grub-installer (probably bug)
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10:03<panthera>any help welcome :)
10:03<panthera>.oO(yes, /dev and /proc is mounted at the time when grub-installer fails)
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10:05<JasonS>nope #debian actually :)
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10:08<chantanito>does anybody knows about an application that makes functional test?
10:08<chantanito>for a C/C++ prog...
10:09<chantanito>i heard something 'bout gdb but does it allows me to make functional test?
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10:09<chantanito>am i in the right IRC channel?
10:09<chantanito>btw, i'm using lenny
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10:11<bern>gdb can debug your program
10:12<chantanito>hi bern...
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10:12<chantanito>but does it makes functional tests?
10:12<chantanito>don't you know?
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10:13<sasha>hi i tried uermod -g with -- append option and my aditional group list has been deleted , what are the groups given by default to the first non root user debian
10:14<bern>sorry,i don't know
10:14<frank>sasha: if you didn't not change adduser.conf then it got its own group
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10:14<sasha>no, cdrom , audio ..... groups
10:14<lupine>"-- append" isn't the same as "--append" ;). I'm in disk, cdrom, sudo, audio, operator, plugdev, games and fuse
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10:14<sasha>lupine thanks
10:15<frank>sasha: 'id' tells you in what groups you are
10:15<chantanito>bern: don't worry.. thanks
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11:04<qleq4>does anyone know how to made digital camera work with debian/ubuntu?
11:05<qleq4>I have connected my Canon, turned it on :), and lsusb shows nothing!
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11:05<petemc>try gphoto2
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11:06<honschu>Hi, which USB-Webcam can you approve?
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11:07<stroyan>qleq4: That is odd. It should show up in lsusb. My canon S60 shows up and triggers a dialog for downloading.
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11:11<GB>hi, I installed debian kernel 2.6 but how to get KDE interface running?
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11:12<JasonS>wow deja vu
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11:23<stardust>Hi! Is there any tacacs+ CLIENT in debian?
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11:27<venger>I moved my root drive to another sata controller and while knoppix shows it to remain as /dev/sda2, the kernel panics and tells me to append the correct root= option. How can I see from a normal boot what device name my hd is now coming up as so that I can append this option?
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11:33<jacko>i built a kernel pkg with make-kpkg and i've got some binary vmware kernel modules that were built by can i just make a really simple debian pkg that depends on my kernel pkg and just drops the prebuilt modules into the appropriate path under /lib/modules/<kernel-version/ ?
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11:34<jacko>i'm not that familiar with the intricacies of debian kernel pkgs and am trying to get this done as quickly as possible while minimizing the risk of shooting myself in the foot
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11:43<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to install postgresql-8.2 on sarge (using sarge-backports) but I can't find it. How can I search with apt-cache and use backports?
11:43<bcochofel>I've done this on etch but I need to do it on sarge has well
11:44[~]fxiny sets his new gmal password to blahbob
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11:45<ameyer>mmm, gmal
11:46<ameyer>at least you didn't...
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11:48<fxiny>bcochofel: i've done it 100 times on sarge . i forgot how to since i run etch
11:50<bcochofel>fxiny: 8.1 I can find but 8.2 I can't
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11:51<fxiny>bcochofel: strange , 8.2 is bpozyed
11:52<bcochofel>fxiny: didn't get what you're saying
11:52<fxiny>bcochofel: i got you : i don't want to load bpo cause i don't need it
11:53<fxiny>bcochofel: was it something like -t sarge-backports
11:53<bcochofel>fxiny: yes, that gives me nothing
11:54<fxiny>bcochofel: what if you do : apt-get -t sarge-backports -s install ?
11:55<bcochofel>fxiny: E: Couldn't find package postgresql-8.2
11:56<fxiny>bcochofel: preferences file is ok ? .... Pin: release a=sarge-backports ?
11:56<fxiny>can't remember more
11:57<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm trying to follow
11:57<fxiny>i'm on it : there is no sarge
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11:58<fxiny>bcochofel: if you don't mind , why are you still runing sarge ?
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11:59<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't mind... I'm not using but someone that I'm trying to install postgresql 8.2 is
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12:00<fxiny>ahhh now they want Pin-Priority: 999 for etch . sarge was Pin-Priority: 200 , i still have the file on /etc/apt
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12:02<fxiny>bcochofel: i'm quite happy with etch , my old rusty box runs a bit slower but etch looks solid like a turtle , is a feeling (i get somethimes)
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12:04<fxiny>bcochofel: there is a note about sarge at the end just s/etch/sarge/g
12:04<fxiny>but 999 sounds wrong to me
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12:05<bcochofel>fxiny: I've done that.
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12:05<fxiny>bcochofel: 999 ?
12:05<bcochofel>fxiny: no, s/etch/sarge/g
12:05<fxiny>bcochofel: preferences ?
12:05<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't have the /etc/apt/preferences file, could it be that?
12:06<fxiny>bcochofel: my old sarge reads : Package: * then Pin: release a=sarge-backports and again Pin-Priority: 200
12:06<fxiny>this is a s2e box
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12:09<bcochofel>fxiny: oh well, I'm going to install 8.1
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12:10<fxiny>bcochofel: why ? get it locally and dpkg-scanpackages them
12:10<fxiny>i never give up so quickly :)
12:11<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm getting to much errors, there's too much deps and I'm not so good with deps
12:11<bcochofel>and I'm afraid I might broke the box
12:11<bcochofel>or make it unstable
12:11<fxiny>bcochofel: that explain it all : is not for sarge . kpo rocks
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12:12<fxiny>i trust bpo , don't need it atm
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12:13<bcochofel>fxiny: the box I'm working doesn't have X, and I don't use aptitude. to fix all that I guess I must be more confortable with that
12:14<fxiny>aptitude can go crazy
12:15<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm going crazy...
12:15<fxiny>bcochofel: is it a old box ? without x etch should run , mine is a PII 400 . i have a faster one but i hate it
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12:17<fxiny>bcochofel: tell him/her sarge will be unsupported soon
12:17<bcochofel>fxiny: you hate a faster one!? It's a bit old but etch will go ok, the problem is telling that to the person. I guess there's a lot of home made apps running that don't have a testing on etch
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12:18<bcochofel>fxiny: that's a good point. By the way, when ?
12:19<fxiny>bcochofel: time for a change : we had such a good long cycle on sarge (bpo helped) so planning something for say the next three year is not too bad .
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12:19<fxiny>when ? can't remember exactly , i think soon
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12:19<fxiny>i think so
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12:24<fxiny>bcochofel: old home made app ? i have 7 official sarge packages on hold running on etch
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12:24<bcochofel>fxiny: web apps (php, postgresql, apache issues)
12:25<fxiny>i see
12:25<bcochofel>fxiny: guess not everyone has good dev habbits
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12:28<castarco>ves a debian-es
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12:31<kreoxie>ok... i know you all probably get these questions about getting sound to work all the time, but is anyone willing to help me? I tried useing the channel FAQ and was succesful at getting java in stalled but now i'm tottaly lost when it comes to this sound issue
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12:34<kevinl>kreoxie, did alsa not find your card and load the right module?
12:34<kevinl>and is your card/chip supported by alsa?
12:34<kreoxie>i have no clue
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12:42<seanius>dpkg: tell kreoxie about alsa-checklist
12:42<QuickJelly>I need some help, is this the right place to ask questions?
12:42<JasonS>QuickJelly: that depends, is it about debian?
12:43<QuickJelly>yes, got debian on my server
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12:44<fxiny>tic tic tic
12:44<JasonS>tap tap tap, this thing on?
12:44<QuickJelly>kinda new to debian though and got it installed by mistake, though I decided to keep it
12:45<QuickJelly>problem is I new a vncserver on it for some stuff, would apt-get install xorg vncserver be the right way to install that?
12:45<stroyan>Installed by mistake? And people say the debian installer is difficult to use. ;-)
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12:46<JasonS>stroyan: ya i saw that too, we may have a new quote for dpkg to have
12:46<kreoxie>thanks seanius it works now
12:46<QuickJelly>nah, support people installed the wrong OS :)
12:46<JasonS>QuickJelly: ? id be concerned about that although they did pick a good distro to install by mistake
12:46<QuickJelly>well problem is I installed xorg and vncserver, but when I connect to my vncserver the client only shows a blank screen
12:46<paveq>does etch support nfsv4?
12:47<QuickJelly>and when I do startx on the server it gives me some errors that I have no idea what they mean
12:47<seanius>QuickJelly: do you have it starting something in yuour .xinitrc or .xsession file?
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12:48<QuickJelly>dont know, it's a default install and all I did was apt-get those packages
12:48<QuickJelly>I think it has to do with my driver, vesa, I get things like this: (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xd1800000,0x6f0000)
12:49<QuickJelly>and an error like this: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
12:49<seanius>QuickJelly: if you're trying to start vnc you shouldn't need to run startx
12:51<QuickJelly>yeah, but the vncserver only gives a blank screen with a cursor
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12:51<QuickJelly>howeve, the vnc4server package worked but it didn't give me much more than a desktop background
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12:53<QuickJelly>so anybody have any idea how what I should do to get my vnc going?
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13:05<seanius>QuickJelly: take a look in your .vnc directory, there should be a file called xstartup
13:07<seanius>and logs too
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13:08<nomeata>Hi. I’m using debian on a laptop. Obviously, the hostname does not always match the name of my computer in the network (if any). Is there a chance that “hostname -i” will still return my network IP, and not
13:08<nomeata>(It seems that firefox’s myIpAddress() function in proxy autoconfiguration scripts relies on that)
13:08<QuickJelly>found xstartup
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13:09<jagerman>How can I tell m-a to use the currently installed -source package instead of trying to install the latest one?
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13:10<MoaLaiSkirulas>hi, how can i update to last version of debian?
13:11<QuickJelly>#uncomment the two following lines for normal desktop:
13:11<QuickJelly>I'm guessning I shouldn't do that
13:12<MoaLaiSkirulas>how to sarge to stable?
13:12<MoaLaiSkirulas>by command line?
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13:13<seanius>dpkg: tell MoaLaiSkirulas about sarge->etch
13:13<seanius>QuickJelly: it didn't work for me anyway
13:14<QuickJelly>x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
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13:14<QuickJelly>that's small
13:14<QuickJelly>maybe that's it
13:15<seanius>that's just an xterm
13:15<seanius>why do you need vnc anyway?
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13:15<QuickJelly>some things i feel more comfortable doing over GUI, and there's no CLI .torrent creator where I can disable DHT
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13:16<seanius>QuickJelly: you know you can x-forward instead of running vnc?
13:16<seanius>though with vnc you can disconnect and leave it running
13:18<QuickJelly>yeah that's what I need
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13:19<nomeata>is there a script that updates /etc/hosts with my real local network IP whenever my network interface comes up?
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13:20<QuickJelly>woot woot, it works now
13:20<seanius>QuickJelly: what did you do out of curiosity
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13:21<QuickJelly>well I set the dept and geometry slightly higher, for some reason I guess the other settings didn't work or something
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13:21<QuickJelly>it just made the screen balnk
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13:22<QuickJelly>anyway, thanks for the help guys. I really appreciate it
13:22<QuickJelly>you're a nice one seanius
13:23<QuickJelly>see you later people
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14:09<valdyn>nomeata: write it
14:09<valdyn>nomeata: its trivial
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14:15<smhar>hello friends
14:16<ErJeDi>hiz :D
14:16<smhar>any one is using apt-proxy here.. I need some help.. I can not get the client to connect to the server
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14:18<sheldonh>nomeata: drop a script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d (see HOOKS in dhclient-script(8) for more)
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14:18<sheldonh>smhar: what happens?
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14:21<Deltantor>hi guys, is there a guide somewhere to explain how to switch over to the proprietary nvidia drivers on debian-lenny?
14:22<smhar>sheldonh, I apt-get installed it in the server, adjusted the server ip and added a couple of resources.. then in the client sources.list, I replaced the old sources with deb main non-free contrib
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14:23<smhar>sheldonh, when I apt-get update it takes forever and then gives error connecting to server
14:23<sheldonh>smhar: when you "telnet 9999" from the client, is the connection accepted or does it time out?
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14:25<smhar>sheldonh, I didn't uncomment the telnet in the conf file. and I do not think telnet is enabled in the server. I know ssh is
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14:25<jacko>hell yeah, that worked okay
14:25[~]sheldonh sighs
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14:26<smhar>sheldonh, checking... telnet could not reslove telnet unable to connect
14:26<sheldonh>smhar: without the colon. i said "telnet 9999"
14:27<guillaume>can't connect to mysql on lenny... : ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) but process are running (mysql_safe, mysqld)
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14:27<smhar>sheldonh, bad me... yes telnet 9999 gives connected status
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14:28<sheldonh>smhar: great. so it's not an issue between client and server. use a pastebin to show us your apt-proxy-v2.conf
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14:30<chealer>Deltantor: yes
14:30<chealer>!tell Deltantor about ngd
14:30<guillaume>need help too to setup a webcam with amsn behind an adsl router (webcam is "firewalled" and image can't be sent)
14:30<chealer>Deltantor: it's unmaintained ATM though
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14:31<lupine>guillaume: you need to forward various MSN ports through the router
14:32<lupine>(assuming it's a NAT problem that you have)
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14:33<niwt>If I setup a LUKS partition on a usb drive, will I be able to mount it on a different computer, and does it have to have the same device name on both computers (it'll be sda on one and sdb on the other)
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14:34<guillaume>lupine: i don't know these ports do you know where I can find them ?
14:34<sheldonh>smhar: check that complete_clientless_downloads isn't soaking up your bandwidth
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14:35<lupine>guillaume: not a clue
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14:36<sheldonh>smhar: if it's not that, tail -f /var/log/apt-proxy.log on the server should give you insight into where it's getting stuck
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14:46<smhar>sheldonh, complete_clientless_downloads set to 0 and it is the same..
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14:49<smhar>sheldonh, tail -f is giving a series of 2007/09/17 18:39 EDT [Channel,21,] [CacheEntry] start download:lenny/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz and 2007/09/17 21:03 EDT [Channel,33,] [CacheEntry] start download:lenny/Release.gpg
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14:50<smhar>sheldonh, ok there are two other issue that might be of concern. First the server is an old computer... it is a P2 233 with only 64MB RAM. This has never been a problem for me with it
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14:50<smhar>the second is the location /var/cache/apt-proxy is actually a symlink to another directory in another partition with larger space
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14:53<guillaume_>amsn pb solved :) is there other users that have pb with mysql connection under lenny ?
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14:56<seanius>! me
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15:03<sheldonh>smhar: 64MB might be a bit tight for apt-proxy. the symlink shouldn't be a problem. i'd use tcpdump to verify that the downloads are actually progressing (between the real repositories and the apt-proxy server)
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15:06<smhar>sheldonh, here is the meminfo. how to use tcpdump to get that info?
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15:07<family>how do you copy all the files out of a folder to another folder ie: /source/a /source/b /source/c these are the files i want abc into another folder /moved/
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15:08<smhar>sheldonh, and if 64MB is toght for apt-proxy, can you recommend another package cache system?
15:09<kurumin>im not
15:09<kurumin>the books on the table
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15:10<kurumin>whats your name
15:11<family>cp -R source i think thats it
15:11<kurumin>family online
15:12<family>kurumin i need to copy everything out of a folder not the whole folder
15:12<kurumin>its linux
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15:16<kevinl>does stable, testing and unstable have pretty much all of the same packages, just in different versions?
15:16<kevinl>or is there a big difference in how many packages are in each ?
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15:17<family>no not a big diffrence
15:17<stew>kevinl: for the most part. there will always be some packages in some that are not in others
15:17<family>stew so true
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15:18<kevinl>ok, thanks for the info
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15:21<aptituz>smhar: try approx for a good alternative to apt-proxy
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15:31<guillaume_>is someone use mysql under lenny here ?
15:32<chealer>!tell guillaume_ about someone
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15:33<guillaume>chealer: I know... but I ask it one hour ago without answer so ....
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15:35<chealer>guillaume: I don't see you asking about mysql one hour ago
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15:36<smhar>aptituz, approx does not show in apt-cache search
15:36<loserbar>yeah it dows
15:36<aptituz>it does
15:37<seanius>15:53 < guillaume_> amsn pb solved :) is there other users that have pb with mysql connection under lenny ?
15:37<aptituz> <- its there, so it is in the archive ;)
15:37<aptituz>you should probably do etch sources in your sources.list, at least *scnr* ;)
15:39<antzen>Any way that I can list what file(s) a bad block (reported by "badblocks") belongs to?
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15:41<chantanito>how can i build a module for ipw3945 on a custom kernel
15:41<chantanito>any ideas?
15:41<chantanito>what do i have to do?
15:41<chantanito>who do i have to kill?
15:42<loserbar>which i found from this... ;-)
15:42<smhar>ok I think I have a more serious problem.. during an ssh session to the server I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade and reboot and now the server is not booting to debian.. it gives an error: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory
15:42<seanius>chantanito: apt-get install module-assistant and sudo m-a a-i ipw3945-source, or something ismilar to that
15:43<smhar>a similar error is on Mounting /proc on /root/proc
15:43<nicklas>chantanito: why do you need to build a module for it? its already in apt, just add non-free in sources.list
15:43<smhar>and 'Target filesystem doesn't have /sbnit/init
15:43<smhar>please help
15:43<chantanito>nicklas: i have with real-time
15:44<chantanito>i had to made it for etch
15:45<chantanito>shouldn't it work with jus installing ipw3945-source and trying to build the module with m-a?
15:46<chantanito>am i wrong?
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15:46<seanius>chantanito: scroll up in your history a bit...
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15:46<chantanito>seanius: the thing is that i've already tried doing that...
15:47<chantanito>that's why i ask the question...
15:47<seanius>smhar: i would guess that either something is wrong with your initramfs, or your root device has changed (or grub is not pointing at the right root device)
15:47<seanius>chantanito: did you build against the right header files?
15:48<seanius>and do you have the firmware package installed, and the "regulatory daemon" ?
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15:49<smhar>seanius, I am left with BusyBox and a prompt saying (initramfs) and an error of /bin/sh: ca't access tty; job control turned off
15:50<seanius>smhar: did you upgrade your kernel as part of that apt-get upgrade?
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15:50<smhar>seanius, yes
15:50<chantanito>seanius: that's the thing...
15:50<seanius>so you still have your old one?
15:50<smhar>seanius, this is why I needed a reboot
15:51<chantanito>seanius: when i make m-a prepare it doesn't get the headers...
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15:51<seanius>chantanito: ah, then you need to build a custom headers package for your custom kernel
15:51<smhar>seanius, I do not know why but I think the kernel is the same, grub menu only showing one
15:51<family>hey guys i dont know what is going on i cant apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
15:51<smhar>seanius, 2.6.18-5-686
15:52<family> etch main this is my server.list
15:52<family>aw okay
15:52<chantanito>seanius: sorry, that's not the problem.... the thing is that when i'm trying to build the module with m-a it drops an error...
15:52<chantanito>well, not exactly an error but it says that the building process failed!
15:53<family>good job :)
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15:53<chantanito>seanius: how do i build a custom package?
15:53<chantanito>seanius: do you know how? can you teach me?
15:53<family>now another problem this kernel wont match up with my installer
15:53<family>title Boot vmlinuz-
15:53<family>kernel /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/ram0
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15:53<seanius>better yet,
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15:53<seanius>dpkg: tell chantanito about make-kpkg
15:54<family>wrong one sorry its not amd64 change that to 686
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15:54<family>but the kernel number is wrong can i just type in vmlinuz-
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15:55<seanius>chantanito: note that reading through that you'll want to make sure that you also build the kernel_headers target, whcih will make your headers for you
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15:57<smhar>seanius, /boot which is on a separate partition i(dev/hda1) is not even mounted, only / is
15:57<family>okay what to do next
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15:58<seanius>smhar: is it your real / or the initramfs / ? (cat /proc/mounts)
15:58<AzaTht>hello, I have still problem with shutting down my computer or enter non-x terminal
15:58<chantanito>seanius: when i make m-a prepare it says that it could't create the /usr/src/linux symlink
15:59<smhar>seanius, . is rootfs
15:59<smhar>seanius, oops that is / not .
15:59<RobotDESTROYER>So, how painful is it to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a bigmem 2.6 kernel?
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15:59<family>not to hard
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16:00<weasel>not for a robot destroyer!
16:00<seanius>chantanito: the easiest way forward is probably to re-recomiple your kernel with make-kpkg and generate the headers
16:00<stew>RobotDESTROYER: do you use SATA?
16:00<stew>RobotDESTROYER: more importantly, do you boot off SATA
16:00<seanius>RobotDESTROYER: lots of devices seem to change names between upgrade
16:00<chantanito>ok seanius, thanks...
16:00<chantanito>i'll try...
16:00<seanius>make-kpkg is really nice once you learn it
16:01<family>seanius do you have any ideas on my paste?
16:01<lupine>family: do you have your bootloader set up to use the initrd?
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16:02<lupine>so you can safely ignore the warning
16:02<seanius>family: if you're using lilo you'll need to re-run lilo probably, otherwise i'd guess you're fine then
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16:05<guillaume>my khubd process is eating 100% cpu, how to fix that ?
16:07<stew>RobotDESTROYER: if you aren't booting off sata, things are easier. are you in the process of migrating from sarge to etch?
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16:09<RobotDESTROYER>well im basically trying to upgrade to a kernel which will support more than 1gb of RAM..
16:09<smhar>when booting from a rescue floppy the kernel is giving this: hdc [PTBL] what does this mean?
16:10<RobotDESTROYER>i inherited the server from someone, so im a little in the dark as to the complete config
16:10<stew>RobotDESTROYER: what version of debian are you running?
16:11<RobotDESTROYER>from /etc/debian_version it reports itself as version 4.0 (ie. etch) but when i do uname -a it says its runnign 2.4.27-3-386
16:12<smhar>seanius, ok.. I am booting from a rescue floppy.. what to do? I can access /boot and grub menu as well as the whole other system
16:12<AzaTht>Ok, I have found a thread (somewhat old) that describes my problem
16:12<AzaTht>anyone can hepl me?
16:13<AzaTht>I have what I think the exact same problem
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16:15<seanius>smhar: maybe try rebuilding your initramfs
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16:16<seanius>smhar: mount your "real" / under /mnt, and any other partitions relative to that
16:16<smhar>seanius, wow.. sounds comples
16:16<seanius>smhar: yeah, probably is
16:16<smhar>seanius, ok.. I am game
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16:17<seanius>then chroot into /mnt, and mount /proc
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16:19<smhar>seanius, ok.. steps are: creating a /mnt/testing and mounting "real" / there the only other system directory that is not in the same partition is /boot . where to mount that?
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16:19<guillaume>:( can't kill khubd ????? how it is possible???
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16:20<taid>there is a way to make 'apt-get dist-upgrade' do nothing but output a list of urls to be downloaded to download them manually?
16:20<seanius>taid: --simulate
16:21<seanius>or --print-uris
16:21<seanius>smhar: no need for a subdirectory, you can just put it on /mnt
16:21<seanius>after mounting real / on /mnt, chroot in there and try "mount -a"
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16:21<smhar>seanius, ok.. real / in /mnt, what about /boot
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16:22<taid>seaunius: but it doesnt prints urls
16:22<seanius>mount -a should mount it
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16:22<taid>seanius: it prints lines like "Conf python-nevow (0.9.18-1 Debian:testing)"
16:22<smhar>seanius, do I need to mount /boot as well, as it is not in the same partitions as real /
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16:23<stew>taid: use --print-uris not --simulate
16:23<seanius>smhar: once you've done "chroot /mnt", do "mount -a", which should mount it
16:23<seanius>taid: 17:21 < seanius> or --print-uris
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16:24<taid>thanks, it worked
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16:26<smhar>seanius, I mounted real / on /mnt then chroot to it (chroot /mnt) then I did a mount -a
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16:28<smhar>seanius, reminder: what about /boot which resides in its own partition do I need to mount it somewhere as well?
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16:28<seanius>smhar: i've answered that question like 3 times now
16:28<smhar>seanius, correction: it seems that it is already mounted after I did a mount -a
16:28<smhar>seanius, sorry
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16:29<smhar>seanius, it is just that it is a first for me and I feel a bit ... worried of losing the system :-)
16:30<AzaTht>how can I see what console driver I'm using?
16:30<seanius>smhar: you're standing next to it at least, right?
16:30<Aleric>What utility can I use to play .wav files?
16:30<smhar>seanius, actually sitting next to it :-)
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16:31<seanius>then it could always be worse. it could be somewhere like bahrain... oh wait :)
16:31<kevinl>upgraded kernel on etch machine now amixer complains and sound is muted ? seems liek i can unmute sound in gnome, but alsamixer/amixer fails .. hint please?
16:31<AzaTht>anyone knows what I'm talking about?
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16:31<AzaTht>or, do I know what I'm talking about?
16:31<smhar>seanius, ok.. chrooted and mounted..
16:32<kevinl>console driver.. you mean terminal type, or like frambuffer?
16:32<seanius>smhar: now to rebuild the initramfs, run "update-initramfs -k all"
16:33<AzaTht>kevinl: I want to know if I'm using a "Vesa framebuffer console driver"
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16:33<smhar>seanius, you must specify atleast one of -c -u or -d
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16:34<seanius>smhar: ah, sorry... update-initramfs -u -k all
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16:34<kevinl>usually that is specified on the kernel command line, in your bootloadner, such as grub
16:34<kevinl>kernel blahg
16:35<kevinl>append init=initrd.gz video=vesafb
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16:36<AzaTht>kevinl: what is the default?
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16:36<kevinl>that depends on your distro
16:36<AzaTht>debian I think
16:36<kevinl>ubuntu uses vesafb beacuse it uses usplash for the splash screen
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16:37<kevinl>debian by default I do not think turns on vesafb
16:37<kevinl>just turn it on if you need it
16:37<kevinl>and if you have it
16:37<smhar>seanius, done.. should I unmount and reboot now?
16:37<AzaTht>kevinl: it says that fglrx fails to exit X if "Vesa framebuffer console driver" is used
16:37<Jmax>hey, when using xvnc4-server on xserver-xorg in testing, the X server periodically crashes with SIGFPE (value 8), often repeats the last typed character until a new one is pressed, and inputs seemingly random character sequences when disconecting from the vnc session
16:37<AzaTht>and for me, X fails to exit
16:37<Jmax>did that get cut off?
16:38<Jmax>should end with "disconnecting from the vnc session"''''''''
16:38<Jmax>grr, there it goes again
16:38<kevinl>AzaTht, o dpmt lmpw wjat fglrx is
16:38<kevinl>but if you want to disable vesafb
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16:38<kevinl>then edit your grub.list or lilo.conf
16:38<kevinl>and remove where it says vga=791
16:38<kevinl>or vga=whatever
16:38<kevinl>and reboot.
16:39<kevinl>cause that, to my knowledge is whjat enables the vesa db
16:39<seanius>smhar: yes, and optionally pray to $deity perhaps :)
16:39<JasonS>seanius: never hurts
16:39<seanius>i usually do the umounts manually
16:39<AzaTht>kevinl: have not a such line in my grub
16:39<seanius>just to make sure
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16:40<seanius>hopefully the worst case will be getting stuck back on the initramfs again
16:40<kevinl>AzaTht, /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:40<AzaTht>kevinl: yes
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16:40[~]seanius realises that "hopefully.. the worst case.." is being far too optomistic
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16:40<kevinl>AzaTht, does yours say "splash" ?
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16:41<AzaTht>or depends
16:41<kevinl>usplash and splashy turns on vesafb
16:41<eliteforce>hello, i don't understand how --limit-burst works in iptables :/ can someone give me a clear explanation?
16:41<AzaTht>I'm using
16:42<kevinl>well if you want to turn off vesafb so that your other prgram works correctly, you probably cannot use any splash program for bootup
16:42<kevinl>beacuse they use the vesa fb to draw splash
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16:42<kevinl>you do not need vesa db for a normal ugly terminal or for X windows, I do not think
16:42<lupine>vga=0381 ftw
16:43<eliteforce>normal terminals aren't ugly
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16:43<kevinl>well by default they are ugly to me at 25x80 or whatever
16:43<AzaTht>kevinl: the spashscreen is in grub only
16:45<kevinl>ok, i did not understand that
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16:45<kevinl>other than that, i dont know how to make certain vesafb is off
16:45<kevinl>i dont see anything that leads me to believe that it is on
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16:49<smhar>seanius, did that and the pray.. and after reboot... I got the same errors
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16:49<Guest510>samba gurus... ????
16:49<Guest510>well - printing with cups
16:49<AzaTht>kevinl: ok, thanks anyway
16:50<seanius>smhar: what were the errors you were getting again?
16:50<seanius>something about /dev?
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16:53<euthymos>I'm configuring debian ipconfig
16:53<euthymos>and I don't want to be cut off by my own server
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16:53<euthymos>is there any way I can set up a cronjob
16:54<euthymos>that cancels any iptables rule
16:54<euthymos>every ten minutes
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16:56<eliteforce>euthymos: cancels an iptables rule?
16:57<eliteforce>euthymos: of course you can
16:57<euthymos>I'm preparing a bash script
16:57<smhar>seanius, target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
16:57<euthymos>what's the command I've to send to iptables to tell it destroy all rules
16:57<euthymos>and setting all policies to ACCEPT
16:57<smhar>seanius, Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory
16:58<eliteforce>euthymos: crontab -e; */10 * * * * /path/to/iptables args
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16:58<eliteforce>euthymos: man iptables
16:58<smhar>seanius, Mounting /proceo on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory
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16:58<seanius>smhar: what is grub configured to use as the root fs?
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16:59<euthymos>eliteforce: thanks
16:59<eliteforce>euthymos: you're welcome
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17:00<seanius>smhar: i think i have a magic fix for you
17:00<seanius>you're not running ubuntu are you? :)
17:01<smhar>seanius, I am running debian etch
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17:02<seanius>yeah i'm just giving you a hard time. but it sounds like that's probably your problem
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17:03[~]tont hello to all
17:03<smhar>seanius, and my /boot partition is ext2
17:04<seanius>there's a debian bug with a slightly different fix
17:04<jagerman>People still make /boot partitions?
17:04[~]weasel does
17:04<tont>which package I must install for to program in c?
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17:05<amphi>tont: build-essential is probably the easiest
17:05<tarzeau>tont: tcc, tendracc would work too
17:05<smhar>seanius, root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro initrd /initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686
17:06<eliteforce>what filesystem is best for a normal home pc?
17:06<tarzeau>tont: there's one more at but not yet in debian
17:06<tarzeau>eliteforce: just pick the default, ext3
17:06<seanius>smhar: take a look at
17:06<eliteforce>tarzeau: why not jfs or xfs?
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17:06<tarzeau>eliteforce: because it's not better for a normal home pc?
17:08<eliteforce>tarzeau: i heard that jfs is really quick at checking the fs after a crash
17:09<tarzeau>eliteforce: i heard you can save even more time if your machine never crashes
17:10<eliteforce>tarzeau: but it does!!!oneone
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17:10<tarzeau>eliteforce: i'll go the shop around the corner and get a bottle of cold beer? or just use the computer next to the one that crashed?
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17:11<smhar>seanius, but my /boot is .... wait a minute
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17:13<smhar>seanius, I got it... after I upgraded th kernel in apt-get upgrade... somehow the grub menu is changed... the / partition is /dev/hdc2 not /dev/hda2 ... change and every thing is working
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17:13<z3r0-k00l>are there any new ways of hacking
17:13<JasonS>z3r0-k00l: yep, sharpen your axe
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17:13<smhar>thank you seanius
17:14<JasonS>z3r0-k00l: #2000 knows more
17:14<eliteforce>tarzeau: i prefer beer
17:14<JasonS>eliteforce: who doesnt
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17:15<seanius>smhar: huzzah :)
17:15<seanius>16:47 < seanius> smhar: i would guess that either something is wrong with your initramfs, or your root device has changed (or grub is not pointing at the right root device)
17:15<z3r0-k00l>hey jasonS u hack?
17:15<JasonS>z3r0-k00l: you do know you're in a linux support channel right?
17:15<dpkg>somebody said qotd10 was <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey
17:16<tarzeau>z3r0-k00l: just wait for a new nethack version
17:16<smhar>seanius, you were right .. I just didn't expect that. now is the time to make apt-proxy work with the system
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17:18<smhar>but that could wait till tomorrow.. it is around 2am already.. thanks again seanius
17:18<euthymos>I've got a problem with FireHOL
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17:19<euthymos>in Debian etch 4.0
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17:19<seanius>smhar: yeah, take a breather and enjoy the newfound calm :)
17:19<euthymos>if I start fireHOL from /etc/init.d/firehol start
17:19<euthymos>it simply does not work, since it does not apply any rule at all
17:19<euthymos>iptables -L is the proof
17:19<euthymos>but if I start it simply typing "firehol start"
17:19<euthymos>then it works very well
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17:26<guillaume>v4l2 doesn't work well under my lenny with pwc (for toucam pro webcam) I get a black screen output
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17:30<bahamat>is there a way to auto feed answers to debconf? for example, when I upgrade a sarge system to etch I need to answer 13 debconf dialog boxes, I'd like debconf to already know the answers somehow
17:31<dondelelcaro>bahamat: yes
17:31<euthymos>how can I disable iptables broadcasting?
17:31<bahamat>dondelelcaro: lay it on me
17:31<euthymos>it keeps showing dopped packets on my screen
17:31<seanius>bahamat: it's called preseeding
17:31<dondelelcaro>bahamat: man 7 debconf; and read about unattended package installation
17:32<bahamat>dondelelcaro: not so helpful...See 'man 7 undocumented' :-(
17:32<dondelelcaro>bahamat: uh... you do have debconf-devel; installed?
17:34<bahamat>dondelelcaro: ah, ok, got it now ;-)
17:34<eliteforce>euthymos: what broadcasting
17:34<euthymos>eliteforce: every time a packet is dropped
17:34<euthymos>eliteforce: on the screen some rubbish appears
17:35<dpkg>[printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
17:35<dondelelcaro>euthymos: see above.
17:35<eliteforce>dondelelcaro: hehe :)
17:36<euthymos>sysctl kernel.printk 3 4 1 7
17:36<euthymos>does not work
17:37<dondelelcaro>doesn't work how? What are you actually running?
17:37<euthymos>sysctl kernel.printk=3417
17:37<euthymos>forgot equals
17:37<dondelelcaro>it's 3 4 1 7
17:38<euthymos>spaces are not good
17:38<euthymos>it tells me error: "4" is an unknown key
17:39<guillaume>Do I have to add something to xorg.conf in order to run v4l2 with xorg ?
17:39<dondelelcaro>euthymos: ' and " are your friends.
17:39<euthymos>dondelelcaro: ok, using "
17:39<euthymos>no need to be sarcastic, though
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17:41<dondelelcaro>it's not terribly sarcastic; the point is to get you to remember them.
17:41<euthymos>I know
17:41<lupine>sarcasm is a most effective learning tool
17:41<eliteforce>i enjoy reading :p
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17:42<euthymos>lupine: you've been quite for a while, why did you stop?
17:42<lupine>I don't spend /all/ my time on here
17:43<lupine>I've been playing cards and watching star trek
17:43<lupine>and now I'm off to bed :p
17:43<eliteforce>lupine: good night then
17:43<dkr>don't let the werewolves bite
17:43<lupine>I'll try to restrain myself ;)
17:44<eliteforce>lupine: and stay away from borgs
17:44<lupine>the borg were last episode
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17:46<bean>Please, which is the name of the package of the manager of compact archives standard of gnome?
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17:47<bean>i dont speak English :p
17:48<streuner>!install gnome
17:48<dpkg>To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x>
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17:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:49<bean>o proble é q ninguem ajuda no otro
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17:51<streuner>you seems not to speak portugues too, because babelfish cannot translate that ...
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17:53<bean>name of the package of the manager of compact archives?
17:53<chealer_>bean: file-roller
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17:54<streuner>bean: what do you mean with "compact archives"? rar, zip?
17:54<guillaume>I get this output with dmesg "pwc: isoc_init() submit_urb 0 failed with error -28" and "pwc: isoc_init() submit_urb 0 failed with error -28"
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18:00<ColCommunism>in the etch repository
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18:00<ColCommunism>libc6 is really outdated
18:00<ColCommunism>i'd like to update it
18:00<ColCommunism>but in the sid repository
18:00<ColCommunism>doing so means that i have to reinstall a bunch of stuff
18:00<ColCommunism>including the linux kernel headers
18:00<bean>thanks a lot to all
18:00<ColCommunism>is it safe to update it?
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18:01<weasel>if you have to ask you should stick to etch
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18:02<bzed>ColCommunism: tell me one reason why you need a more recent libc6 please
18:02<ColCommunism>compatability with packages, etc.
18:03<ColCommunism>well, pretty much just compatability
18:03<bzed>install packages from etch, and you don;t have compatibility problems
18:03<bzed>if you need more recent stuff, backport them
18:03<ColCommunism>all right
18:03<ColCommunism>thanks for the help
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18:34<BoBoBoSs>how install ssh on my debian ?
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18:37<tarzeau>BoBoBoSs: apt-get install ssh ?
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19:01<eliteforce>does anyone know how to limit the number of outgoing smtp connections in exim?
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19:44<mav>how do i change fstab to allow writting to a vfat device?
19:46<chealer_>!tell mav about vfatrw
19:46<lavaramano>mav, mine looks like this
19:46<lavaramano>mav, /dev/hdc7 /media/hdc7 vfat rw,noauto,user,umask=0 0 0
19:46<lavaramano>i believe you are missing the "rw"
19:48<peterS>the umask=0 might be the more important bit actually. rw is already the default.
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19:48<lavaramano>peterS, not always, i didnt have that way until i added that
19:49<lavaramano>except that i edited the fstab and then i lost my memory (?)
19:49[~]lavaramano excuses for his bad english
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20:37<family>anyone familiar with dfsbuild command
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20:38<pandrew>hello! is there a better way then parsing ifconfig, to get the number of rx bytes and tx bytes for an interface?
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20:40<dondelelcaro>pandrew: /proc/net/dev
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20:52<pandrew>dondelelcaro: is it guaranteed that this will not change between linux distributions?
20:52<dondelelcaro>pandrew: it's kernel specific, not distribution specific
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20:54<pandrew>dondelelcaro: should i expect that the format will change on other kernel versions?
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20:56<bethlynn>hi there
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20:58<bethlynn>I just wanted you to know that there will be a Debian packaging talk at this year's ohiolinuxfest
20:58<sn9>hi. i need a little help with a debootstrapped lenny
20:58<bethlynn>if you live near columbus, ohio it is worth your while to check it out. It's free
20:58<JuanCraft>hi abrotman is me.. jkl82 :) Im in home... (bye)
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21:00<sn9>how is the /etc/default/pcmciautils file normally generated? (and don't say copied from pcmcia-cs)
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21:04<dondelelcaro>sn9: it's installed by pcmciautils
21:04<dondelelcaro>(since pcmcia-cs is a transition package)
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21:04<sn9>and how do i get pcmciautils to install it?
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21:06<sn9>dondelelcaro: how do i make the package install the file?
21:06<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
21:07<sn9>hmm, i'll try that
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21:08<chealer_>dondelelcaro: I think it's not generated anymore
21:09<dondelelcaro>if it's not packaged anymore, then it's not packaged.
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21:09<sn9>so, where do i get it now?
21:09<dondelelcaro>sn9: if it's not packaged, then you write your own.
21:10<dondelelcaro>all it'd contain anyway is variable definitions
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21:10<sn9>ok. i was unsure, because this is debootsrapped without d-i
21:11<sn9>i thought maybe d-i generates it somehow
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21:15<gsimmons>sn9: /etc/default/pcmcia (if existing) is copied to /etc/default/pcmciautils during installation of this package (ie. preinst), as part of a transition from the 'pcmcia-cs' package. /etc/default/pcmciautils isn't contained within 'pcmciautils' as a result.
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21:16<sn9>gsimmons: right, so on a non-upgrade, it must now be written by hand?
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21:19<chealer_>gsimmons: but why would it be debootstrapped?
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21:20<sn9>chealer_: i think he's saying that it isn't when debootstrapped nor by d-i
21:22<chealer_>sn9: oh. I thought your "this" referred to the file rather than your system
21:22<gsimmons>sn9: It appears so. What are you wanting to supply to the init script that can't be done within /etc/pcmcia/config.opts?
21:23<sn9>PCIC and PCMCIA
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21:36<calmar>hi all. I have the flying simulator crrcsim. So far so good. I _took_ 100CPU and it was lousy performance
21:36<donspaulding>when installing, I chose to encrypt my LVM disk, now I wish I hadn't. Is there a way I can unencrypt the fs?
21:37<calmar>now I replaced the default kernel nvidia driver with the one from NVidia with 3d acceleration. that same game is 100x faster, and cpu is at 5%
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21:37<calmar>the whole system runs much faster, also on normal apps. So Install the Nvidia-graphics driver from the company!
21:38<calmar>(and I always meant, my comp is slow, in fact it was the practically deactivate graphic-card)
21:39<w00p>somebody knows who can i use ffmpeg with xvid/divx codecs?
21:39<calmar>w00p: you have to compile it with it.
21:39<w00p>it says -> Unknown encoder 'divx'
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21:40<sn9>chealer, gsimmons: great; the initscript doesn't work anyway, and i can't figure out why
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21:41<sn9>it spews a usage msg for modprobe
21:42<calmar>w00p: well, in fact we both are at the same stage. I have compiled it with, but still (also) Unknown encoder
21:43<w00p>calmar: is -vcodec libxvid
21:43<w00p>for xvid
21:44<calmar>w00p: oh :) thx :)
21:45<sn9>i tried "sh -x /etc/init.d/pcmciautils start" and the line that fails is "modprobe -b i82365"
21:45<family>oh yea i found the easiest way to make your own debian system im going with kernel with dist etch and light weight fvwm. all thanks to a application called dfsbuild
21:45<sn9>the same line in a shell works
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21:46<family>anyone have any ideas on if this is a good build?
21:46<calmar>w00p: yeah. ffmpeg -formats has libxvid :) funny, you asked the question, and me (trying to help) got the solution from you finally :)
21:46<w00p>google is the answer
21:47<calmar>family: i don't think it's a matter of kernel and wm you use, or does it matter?
21:47<calmar>I mean, it's a personal matter?
21:48<family>calmar i dont know just franken stiening the system
21:48<calmar>franken stiening?
21:48<family>so i was just finding opinion to see if it would be good
21:49<family>thats what im calling it putting a whole buntch of stuff together from diffrent areas like frankenstien put together with diffrent parts
21:49<calmar>fvwm is great (I use it), but fluxbox etc is much easier to setup etc.
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21:49<family>calmar i already made my theme :)
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21:49<calmar>the kernel has to match your system. and etch is probably a good up-to-date thing, isn' it
21:50<calmar>match the hardware I meant
21:50<family>to both
21:50<family>i just hope it all works out nicely im waiting patiently for the build to be done
21:51<calmar>I have 'unstable' and I'm happy with it. etch is probably the following thing to sarge I guess
21:51<family>debootstrapping etch right now
21:51<sn9>what could cause modprobe to spew a usage message from an initscript, but work from a shell?
21:51<family>yes thats what i have heard
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21:52<family>sn9 thats a diffrent one
21:52<family>pretty good question
21:53<calmar>about the kernel, you could build one, with about everything compiled in maybe? (just an idea) :)
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21:53<family>oh yea then i could be really unique
21:53<calmar>i guess, you want to run that cd on different comps
21:54<sn9>i am trying to make cardservices start on boot in a debootstrapped lenny so that it can connect to the 'net
21:54<family>im going to distribute it online too
21:54<family>ooo sn9 lenny has alot of problems so i have heard
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21:54<family>sn9 are you making a custom dist too?
21:55<sn9>nah, just a lean install
21:55<sn9>got sick of having damnsmalllinux on the thing
21:55<family>aww okay if you ever want to try to make your own dist try dfsbuild apt-get install dfsbuild and google it on the net
21:56<family>sn9 damnsmalllinux is pretty fast
21:56<family>just not real broaden on what it should be able to do
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21:56<family>i liked how fast the web pages poped up :P
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21:57<sn9>firefox was damnslow at 75MHz
21:57<family>well how fast everything poped up any whom
21:57<family>oh wow yea thats a problem
21:57<family>im at 900 mhz lowest
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21:57<family>top 2.5 ghz
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21:58<family><sn9> i am trying to make cardservices start on boot in a debootstrapped lenny so that it can connect to the 'net
21:58<family>thought i bring back your question to get it answered
21:58<family>im not sure
21:58<sn9>i have linux installed in a range from 40MHz to 2.4GHz
21:59<family>40mhz sounds like the network to me
21:59<family>i mean a network
21:59<w00p>calmar: i'm converting ogg to avi with xvid codec (ffmpeg), but the quality is lower when more time is elapsed. Do you know what happen?
21:59<family>trying to shadow all the others with a slow sytem :P
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22:00<family>oh sn9 modules something to do with modules check how your boot starts your modules and add a line to it
22:00<sn9>that's not the way it's supposed to work in debian
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22:01<family>its not suppose but i think it could work
22:01<sn9>the /etc/init.d/pcmciautils is supposed to take care of it
22:01<family>is that setup correctly??
22:01<sn9>i know /etc/modules will work, but i want to do this right
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22:02<family>i always do things wrong lol but they always some how work out right so really i must be right when im really wrong but i cant be wrong when i right. if that makes any sence
22:03<calmar>w00p: hm, I try myself here
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22:03<family>i *im
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22:04<lubos>Can't locate Net/SSH/Perl/ ... is there a package for this or I need to use cpan? thanks
22:05<dondelelcaro>lubos: it's probably part of libnet-ssh-perl-perl
22:05<family>yup ooo yesh its doing someting else
22:05<family>exporting indices
22:05<family>aww crap
22:06<family>its okay i got it cdebootstrap stable theres nothing called stable. must need to get rid of some lines
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22:08<w00p>calmar: any news?
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22:08<dondelelcaro>!+find Perl/
22:08<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
22:08<calmar>w00p: no.
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22:08<dpkg>Debian Search of 'Perl/' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Net/SSH/Perl/ in perl/libnet-ssh-perl-perl.
22:08<lubos>dondelelcaro: not sure waht you mean
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22:09<calmar>w00p: about novice on ffmpeg myself that is
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22:10<lubos>dpkg: how did you perform that search... :-)
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22:11<dondelelcaro>lubos: that means that you don't have libnet-ssh-perl-perl installed
22:11<lubos>dondelelcaro: Couldn't find package
22:12<w00p>calmar: is -b option
22:12<w00p>lower -b is better quality
22:12<calmar>w00p: lower. hm
22:13<chealer>!tell lubos about search
22:13<chealer>lubos: there's a package, but only in unstable
22:13<calmar>w00p: what command do you use actually?
22:13<dondelelcaro>!+info libnet-ssh-perl-perl stable
22:13<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
22:13<dpkg>Package 'libnet-ssh-perl-perl' does not exist.
22:14<w00p>calmar: ffmpeg -i in.ogg -vcodec libxvid -b INT out.avi
22:14<dondelelcaro>lubos: it hasn't been packaged for stable, so you can either install the version from unstable/testing or install it using dh-make-perl
22:14<w00p>calmar: -b INT is like -b 100
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22:15<w00p>calmar: and the -s is for resolution... example -s 640x480
22:16<calmar>w00p: it seems to convert the thing into a mp3 then inside. (according to mplayer)
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22:17<w00p>calmar: i'm converting an ogg to avi (xvid)
22:18<w00p>without audio
22:18<calmar>hm, ogg is also video?
22:19<calmar>didn't know that. was wondering a little about why you want convert ogg to avi that's why heeh
22:19<w00p>for audio you can use -acodec CODEC, and -ab INT for audio bitrate
22:19<fancylad>i want an envronment variable to be automaically set when i log in. i put it in the ~/.bash_profile file but the variable isn't set when i log in via a display manager. it is only there if i log in at a console.
22:20<jclinton>fancylad: you'll want to check out the GDM documentation
22:21<fancylad>ok. it's weird. i use gdm on my other debian box and it doesn't do this
22:21<calmar>w00p: I was trying somebit with -acodec mp3 bit it does not recognize it, even so: ffmpeg -formats prints it out. well
22:22<calmar>w00p: the ogg what I meant, was obvioulsy 'vorbis' codec encapsulated in a ogg container (according to wikipedia)
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22:24<w00p>calmar: ogg2mp3?
22:24<w00p>calmar: you only need ffmpeg -i file.ogg file.mp3
22:24<calmar>ffmpeg -i ddd.ogg ddd.mp3 would work too yeah
22:24<calmar>but when I want to encapsulate that audio inside an avi with given bitrate and audio format?
22:25<calmar>I would have to tell it then, that I want mp3
22:25<calmar>maybe there's a ffmpeg channel :)
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22:26<jclinton>why are you transcoding ogg to mp3?
22:27<calmar>jclinton: just playing around.
22:27<DeepDayze>maybe there is an audiophile channel
22:27<calmar>i woudn't in real
22:28<fancylad>exec cd /
22:30<w00p>calmar: ffmpeg -i file.mp3 -s resolution -i video.avi out.mpg
22:30<w00p>that's what you wanna do?
22:32<calmar>w00p: hm, similar. when you have a vorbis.ogg sound, and want it to be mp3 inside the video or so
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22:33<calmar>w00p: you could try to want to change the audio and video codec inside something to another audio/video codec.
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22:34<calmar>then that -acodec mp3 should work I would guess. anyway
22:36[~]calmar going to read some ffmpeg howto's
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22:37<lontra>if i want to apply a patch to kdelibs all i need to do is add it to debian/patches and rebuild the package right?
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22:55<matt_>hey can sombody tell me how to connect to #cedega
22:55<matt_>nevermind lol
22:55<matt_>anyways can sombody help me out with a prob on cedega
22:56<family>what site carries a validation for their packages i just spent 20 minutes waiting for cdebootstrap to download etch and it poped up E: Couldnt Validate Packages!
22:56<family>something to that effect :(
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22:57<family>from the mirror
22:58<family>aww okay its couldnt validate release
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22:58<family>not packages
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22:58<kevinl_>is there a central place to get info about the status of SID and its packages?
22:59<kevinl_>info about what is broken , what is getting fixed etc.
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22:59<family>umm google SID
22:59<dpkg>i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
22:59<dpkg>the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq>
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23:00<simonrvn>!btssmite kevinl_
23:00[~]dpkg beats kevinl_ around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if kevinl_ is running Unstable
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23:00<kevinl_>thank you
23:00<family>aww on the other hand sidux was released
23:00<simonrvn>sidux is off-topic
23:01<family>simonrvn what site carries a validation for their packages i just spent 20 minutes waiting for cdebootstrap to download etch and it poped up E: Couldnt Validate Realease! can ya answer that one?
23:01<simonrvn>don't what?
23:01<family>i dont know lol
23:01<family>must have been writing something oh i know dont know if sidux is the same thing as sid
23:01<simonrvn>that's {c}debootstrap's thing. i don't know
23:01<family>thats what is
23:02<family>simonrvn thanks :)
23:03<family>simonrvn would it be better to use debootstrap?
23:03<simonrvn>just wait a bit - that mirror could've been in the middle of an update
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23:10<Supaplex>"xm create new.hvm" throws: DeprecationWarning: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file new.hvm on line 14, but no encoding declared; How can I search and replace that naughty charater with a space? (eg, in vim)
23:11<simonrvn>i'd look at setting an encoding instead
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23:12<Supaplex>and how?
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23:12<simonrvn>iconv or recode for e.g.
23:12<Supaplex>it looks like a space :-/
23:13<simonrvn>and declaring in the file, if that works
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23:50<ogslash>hola, alguien ha configurado una tarjeta bttv 878?
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23:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:58<ogslash>gracias por la info
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