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---Logopened Tue Sep 18 00:00:06 2007
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00:05<odla>i am trying to apply this patch to kdebase and i am getting the following error ...
00:05<odla>any ideas?
00:07<jclinton>odla: the patch applied w/o warnings?
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00:08<odla>jclinton: not sure i just put it in debian/patches
00:08<jclinton>odla: the patch appears to be for an older version of KDE
00:08<jclinton>odla: so you're out of luck
00:09<odla>jclinton: if you scroll down they say it works for 3.5.7
00:09<jclinton>odla: try applying the patch against the tree manually, see if it warns
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00:09<jclinton>i would be surprised if it works
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00:20<chealer>odla: ask the writer
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00:49<family>terminated by signal 11 <-- what causes this
00:50<chealer>family: man 7 signal
00:51<family>how can i fix it
00:52<family>i remember what i did killall dfsbuild then i rebooted and i get this now
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00:52<chealer>family: depends on the bug
00:53<family>chealer i killall dfsbuild then when i rebooted the system when i run dfsbuild i get terminated signal 11
00:53<Inty>mitchmatching .o files
00:54<chealer>family: killing is not clean. maybe that corrupted something, which causes the issue, or it's a real bug
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00:55<family>do i have to reload my os
00:55<klys_>what's up
00:56<klys_>signal 11 is SIGSEGV
00:56[~]klys_ doesn't have the program dfsbuild, so nm
00:57<chealer>family: unlikely
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00:58<family>chealer so what should i do?
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00:59<family>klys whats up
00:59<family>how would i fix that
00:59<klys_>depends on what you're trying to accomplish
00:59<family>okay i killall dfsbuild
00:59[~]klys_ doesn't know dfsbuild
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00:59<family>and now when i run dfsbuild its stoped signal 11
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01:00<chealer>family: probably deleting the data dfsbuild creates
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01:00<family>ill just reload the system takes me about 5 minutes any whom
01:01<family>windows users solution to everything this i know
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01:12<dpkg>from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet
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01:15<chealer>!tell klys_ about msg the bot
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01:20<test1>!tell test1 msg the bot
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02:04<thank>i have question about ssh
02:05<thank>sshd_config file have idle timeout parm ??
02:07<petemc>its more common that a firewall will drop the connection
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02:08<thank>have related parm about ssh
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02:10<petemc>that doesnt work in many cases, and the only thing you can do is have activity on the screen
02:10<petemc>run top or something
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02:21<peterrooney>cat dupes
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02:44<Duncan_Idaho>Hello everybody
02:45<Duncan_Idaho>I'm a newbie in debian (and linux) and....i'm french ;)
02:46<Duncan_Idaho>Someone could help me to create the preferences file for apt please?
02:47<seanius>Duncan_Idaho: what preferences are you trying to set?
02:47<mhash>also see:
02:48<Duncan_Idaho>i sax the howto but it don't tell anything to creta the file
02:48<jm_>it's a text file
02:48<Duncan_Idaho>seanius i would like to adjust yhe priority for the souces
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02:48<Duncan_Idaho>in fjust a text? i can creat it with gedit so?
02:49<Duncan_Idaho>excuse me for my english, and my errors ...
02:49<seanius>Duncan_Idaho: so that you'll download from one source before others?
02:49<Duncan_Idaho>ok sn9
02:49<Duncan_Idaho>i will try
02:49<seanius>Duncan_Idaho: also...
02:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
02:50<Duncan_Idaho>Thanks for your answers
02:50<seanius>in case it's helpful
02:50<Duncan_Idaho>ok dpkg sorry ;)
02:50<niru>is there any procedure I need to follow to make a netinstall cd
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02:51<sn9>1) download it 2) burn it
02:51<Duncan_Idaho>Thanks for your help :)
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02:51<Duncan_Idaho>and linux is very cool (little hard but cool ;) )
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02:51<seanius>a bientot j'espere
02:52<niru>sn9, I want to build a netinstall cd
02:52<sn9>"build" ??
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02:54<sn9>what's wrong with the downloadable ones?
02:54<sn9>(other than the lenny i386 not working)
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03:09<qmyro>hi all
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03:10<qmyro>I am trying to build gnash from source but i keep getting build errors could someone please point me into the right direction
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03:11<jm_>right now the right direction would be to enable people to see your errors (not on IRC though)
03:11<qmyro>i see
03:11<qmyro>the debian forum?
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03:12<kreoxie>a paste site
03:12<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
03:12<jm_>btw, gnash is packaged
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03:14<qmyro>that is true but i wanted to try and build the newer player
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03:14<kreoxie>i'm looking for an alarm clock package can some one point me the right direction gotta wake up in two hours :
03:14<jm_>kreoxie: do you know how to search for packages?
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03:14<kreoxie>the only way i know is looking through the packages on the website
03:15<jm_>naah, use apt-cache
03:15<jm_>!tell kreoxie -about search
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03:15<jm_>i.e. apt-cache search alarm clock
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03:15<bcochofel>Hi, can I use mc (midnight-commander) from a local dir? I want to put the binary on my home dir so I can use it on every pc, even if it doens't have mc installed
03:15<kreoxie>ok thanks
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03:16<chealer>kreoxie: which X session type do you use?
03:16<kreoxie>is that what you mean
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03:17<chealer>kreoxie: yes (but I don't use it, sorry)
03:17<kreoxie>the one with the foot is that gnome
03:17<chealer>kreoxie: yes
03:18<kreoxie>ok thanks
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03:39<engywuck_>i have a sliught prob and before writing a bug-report I'd like to know if you are having the same...
03:40<engywuck_>I tried to install flashplugin-nonfree in etch which gave me an MD5 checksum error
03:40<engywuck_>according to the Bug list on debian home page this was fixed wirth introduction of an upgraded package for etch
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03:43<engywuck_> says there's flashplugin-nonfree_9. now but i still see only
03:43<jm_>aptitude downloaded it fine for me
03:43<engywuck_>perhaps my sources.list is too small then...
03:44<jm_>yeah it also installed OK
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03:44<engywuck_>deb etch main non-free contrib#
03:44<engywuck_>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
03:44<engywuck_>deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free
03:44<engywuck_>do i need an additional line?
03:45<frank>there's debian-multimedia, if you want
03:45<jm_>it's downloading it from local debian mirror for me
03:46<chealer>jm_: that's the broken version
03:46<jm_>chealer: it's certainly not reporting any errors here, so it's not broken for me
03:46<chealer>jm_: was it already installed?
03:46<engywuck_>9.0.31 has serious security probs, it*s said
03:47<jm_>chealer: nope
03:47<jm_>Selecting previously deselected package flashplugin-nonfree.
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03:47<family>how do you apt-get a package in .deb form
03:47<family>not intsalling
03:48<chealer>jm_: did you see it download from Adobe?
03:48<engywuck_> has both versions
03:48<chealer>family: what do you mean by "apt-get a package"?
03:48<jm_>family: aptitude download foo; or man apt-get
03:49<jm_>ahh I see, it asks about flash twice, 2nd one is where it breaks
03:50<chealer>engywuck_: you'd need stable-proposed-updates, yes
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03:50<jm_>engywuck_: yeah it's the same error
03:50<Nemoder>family: try dpkg -i file.deb
03:52<engywuck_>so contrib/web optional flashplugin-nonfree_9. means it's only in proposed-updates?
03:52<engywuck_>since mid-August?
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03:53<family>i want to apt-get the package in .deb form
03:53<chealer>engywuck_: "contrib/web optional flashplugin-nonfree_9." doesn't indicate that, but yes, it's only in proposed-updates since mid-august, one day too late to get in r1.
03:53<chealer>family: apt-get is not a verb
03:54<family>so when it arrives to me i see only 1 package ie: apt-get install apt-move k this installs apt-move. i want to get it like this one file in apt-move.deb
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03:54<engywuck_>you can get the .deb from the pool link above
03:55<chealer>family: use dget
03:55<family>that will work
03:56<nakamachi>not heard of dget
03:56<jm_>yeah don't use the easiest solution called aptitude
03:56<nakamachi>can you please enlightn me?
03:56<chealer>family: dget, yes, but I see that jm_'s suggestion also works and is easier.
03:56<chealer>nakamachi: man dget
03:57<nakamachi>thanks chealer (Btw hope im not disturbing anyone here - its my first time to use xchat)
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03:57<family>jm where will it go?
03:58<Nemoder>.deb files fetched through apt-get are put in /var/cache/apt/archives
03:58<family>aptitude download foo
03:58<jm_>family: current dir
03:58<family>this goes there too?
03:58<family>aww okay
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03:59<family>aptitude download <filehere> right
03:59<Nemoder>hm I don't see anything called dget in debian
03:59<family>:) neither did i
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03:59<gsimmons>It's in the 'devscripts' package.
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04:00<nakamachi>debian20070915:/home/dd# man dget
04:00<nakamachi>No manual entry for dget
04:00<chealer>nakamachi: no problem
04:01<family>k ill bbl thanks all need to chroot and all sorta weird stuff happens
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04:01<chealer>nakamachi: dget has to be installed to see its manpage, of course.
04:02<nakamachi>oh, silly me - will install now - thank you again Chealer
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04:03<jm_>no not filename, package name
04:05<bzed>nakamachi: it's in the devscripts package in case you're wondering
04:06<nakamachi>cool - thanks, downloading now
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04:18<jag>hi all...
04:18<jag>is there any way to check if a gpg pub key is passphrase protected?
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04:20<jag>i want my users can login via ssh only with key, but i need that the key is passphrase protected
04:20<jm_>you can't control that
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04:22<jag>how can i protect my servers against users that will lost priv key?
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04:24<dli>jag, if it's lost, just generate a new pair, nothing to worry
04:24<jm_>probably meant stolen ;)
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04:25<hybernate>what would be the best Mp3 player availeble in Ubuntu
04:25<dli>jag, get security updates, backup, not much you can do
04:25<@Ganneff>hybernate: unknown. join a ubuntu channel.
04:25<dli>!tell hybernate about ubuntu
04:26<jag>ok, but if a bad guy can take a luser priv key, i can't see this and the luser is a luser :P
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04:27<jag>anyway ok, i will do this and will monitor my servers with paranoid eyes :D
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04:29<JasonS>as you should be doing anyhow jag :)
04:29<dli>jag, for a secure system, the impostor can delete the user's files, connects outwards
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04:43<Nico>hey :) is anyone here who would like to help me getting debian started? I'm getting a black screen every time i try to boot it up :/
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04:46<Nemoder>Nico: do you get a text login if you press ctrl-alt-f2
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04:47<Nico>no, i tried this yesterday. when i start in personal mode it says "type in root pwd" but i can't type anything.
04:48<dli>Nico, did you type the passwd and press Enter?
04:48<Nemoder>it doesn't show *** when typing
04:48<Nico>no i didn't, i recieve the blackscreen before the login-prompt
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04:50<Nico>the lower quarter of the screen turns white/grey for a second, then the monitor says "no signal input" and i can hear a short, single beep
04:50<chealer>Nico: even in single-user mode?
04:50<Nemoder>is it the installer you are trying to boot or is it already installed?
04:50<Nico>its already installed, no errors during installation.
04:51<Nico>when i starti n personal mode
04:51<Nico>it says "type in root pwd oder press ctrl+d to continue
04:51<Nico>but i cant type
04:51<Nico>y ever
04:52<Nico>when i press crtl+d the same thing as in the normal mode happens
04:52<chealer>Nico: but, as dli asked, did you type the passwd and press Enter?
04:52<chealer>before pressing Ctrl+d
04:52<Nico>no cause i can't type anything, at least no *** appear on the screen when i type a character
04:53<Nemoder>it won't do that
04:53<chealer>Nico: as Nemoder wrote, "it doesn't show *** when typing"
04:53<Nico>aah, thats interesting. good to know that (:
04:54<Nico>do you have a clue what i can do to start it normally?
04:54<dli>Nico, what's your video card?
04:54<Nico>maybe you should know that i use a nvidia 8800 graphics card
04:55<chealer>Nico: start by logging in single-user mode and checking your X log
04:55<jm_>you need fairly new driver for 8800
04:55<Nico>I'm sorry if you think I'm just stupid, but what is my x-log? Oo this is the first time im trying to work with a linux-system :/
04:56<chealer>hehe, right
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04:56<Nemoder>less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:57<chealer>Nico: it's the graphical environment's log. you can examine it with the command Nemoder wrote.
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04:57<Nico>so i have to start the command prompt and type in nemoders command, right?
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04:58<chealer>Nico: ye
04:58<Nemoder>yea log in as root then try that
04:58<Nemoder>you can use arrow keys to scroll, q to quit
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04:58<Nico>okay, ty. and what do i do when i opened x-log?
04:58<jimmypw>does anyone know where the rndc.conf file is put when installing bind9?
04:58<Nemoder>read it and look for lines that start with (EE)
04:59<jimmypw>find / -name rndc.conf didnt work so it must be called something else
04:59<Nico>okay im going to do that and then I'll be back here to tell you the results. see you soon^^ thx :)
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04:59<chealer>Nico: check for problems, but that probably won't be easy if you never used Linux. maybe you should just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and exchange your X video driver. if it's set to vesa, try nv, if it's nv, try vesa.
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05:00<padski>jimmypw: I'll bet it is /etc/bind/
05:00<Joris>anyone from ireland here? I've got an offtopic question (PM me)
05:00<jimmypw>padski: theres a rndc.key ? however it thinks options {}; isnt valid
05:00<Nico>okay i'll try this as well :D i've gotta note down the commands first, lol^^
05:01<Nico>-down, lol :D
05:01<padski>jimmypw: yes, I have an rndc.key. man page doesn't seem to say ...
05:01<padski>jimmypw: I'll bet you have to create it in /etc/bind/
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05:01<jimmypw>ill give that a go
05:02<jimmypw>padski: i didnt think about creating it manually :p
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05:03<padski>jimmypw: accoriding to rndc(8) the default config file is /etc/bind/rndc.conf
05:04<jimmypw>well ive created it and its seeing it
05:04<padski>jimmypw: mind you that also seems to say that rndc.ket is in .etc. rather than /etc/bind/ :-(
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05:14<family>where is grub at?
05:14<family>in /boot right?
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05:14<jm_>there are several parts to GRUB
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05:15<family>i think i need the menu.lst
05:16<jm_>that's in /boot/grub by default
05:16<family>i just need to see if i have grub if not i have to chroot . and apt-get grub
05:16<family>ah okay i dont have it
05:16<jm_>that's easy - look for signature on MBR
05:16<family>damn and i already installed the kernel
05:16<family>jm making custom cd
05:17<family>will it make a diffrence
05:17<family>i can update grub right
05:18<jm_>what exactly are you trying to do? update-grub will add Debian kernel to menu.lst
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05:18<jm_>in fatc it will also do that with custom kernels, as long as they follow the same naming convention
05:18<family>jm i dont have grub at all so i apt-install grub
05:18<jm_>family: well then you may be using lilo
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05:19<family>then i should need to update-grub
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05:20<family>No GRUB directory found
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05:21<shawn_>Is it normal that x wont start if you have nvidia drivers and have aptitude upgrade?
05:21<jm_>shawn_: quite possible yes
05:22<shawn_>jm please develop
05:22<jm_>shawn_: say if your nvidia kernel module no longer exists - did you verify this?
05:22<jm_>exist for your new kernel
05:22<shawn_>i just redownloaded nvidia drivers and reinstalled them
05:22<shawn_>not only it said it was already installed
05:22<dli>shawn_, just reinstall the nvidia driver, reload the kernel module
05:22<shawn_>but reinstlling them solved nothing
05:23<shawn_>ho do i reload?
05:23<shawn_>and btw i didnt update my kernel
05:23<shawn_>just x
05:23<jm_>yeah it might be installed, but kernel module may only exist for older kernel - it would mention this in the logfile
05:23<dli>shawn_, shutdown X, " rmmod nvidia ; modprobe nvidia "
05:23<jm_>then it might be a case of good old driver rename ;)
05:24<jm_>just check your X logfile
05:24<shawn_>the x log tells me nvidia drivers doesnt support 2.0 abi
05:24<shawn_>and that i ad to update the drivers or downgrade x
05:24<jm_>are you using unstable?
05:24<shawn_>but i updated the driver and it solved nothing
05:24<shawn_>im using unstable
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05:25<jm_>ok then it's probably related to xserver 1.4 migrating to it, maybe check nvidia beta drivers
05:25<shawn_>but it was a friend who advised me to do ths
05:25<shawn_>ok jm
05:25<shawn_>you must be right
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05:25<shawn_>thx for the help
05:25<dli>shawn_, xserver-xorg-1.4 doesn't support nvidia driver yet
05:27<manphiz>fglrx suffers the same problem now.
05:27<jm_>yeah no doubt
05:27<jm_>but it looks like future is brighter for ATI cards
05:28<dli>jm_, I heard intel is making discrete video cards
05:29<jm_>dli: yup, they have hiring lots of people lately to pull it off, but we shall see
05:29<jm_>have been*
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05:29<dli>jm_, nobody knows how long before we actually see 3d from ati open source driver
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05:29<jm_>dli: indeed, but even 2D is a good start, and that should be available shortly
05:30<shawn_>is there a way to downgrade x?
05:30<dli>jm_, basic 2D was already available before amd opened up:( indeed, I'm using the open source avivo driver now
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05:30<jm_>dli: for some cards only yes, not for all
05:31<dli>shawn_, usually, there's no simple way to downgrade, not to mention to downgrade from sid
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05:32<dli>jm_, hopefully, the new ati driver would be in lenny
05:32<shawn_>thx for the help all see you
05:32<dli>shawn_, so, backup and reinstall
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05:45<|Nico|>hey. I'm back^^ after reconfiguring xserver i can login now, but the desktop environment doesn't start. EE = No device(s) found.^^
05:46<jm_>are you in windows on the same computer now?
05:47<|Nico|>yes... ;D
05:47<jm_>install Explore2fs and paste x logfile on some paste site
05:48<|Nico|>hmm... i'll try it. should be possible for me to install it without having GUI... hopefully
05:49<jm_>it's a windows app ...
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05:50<|Nico|>its kinda hard to eat and think at the same time while speaking in a foreign language, sry ^^
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05:50<jm_>you can eat in native language ;)
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05:51<|Nico|>lol ;D and i can access my linux-hdd in windows? would be great^^
05:52<jm_>yes, that's what explore2fs does
05:52<|Nico|>ok, thanks. i'll try it. can't wait to run linux ;D bye
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06:10<jm_>|Nico|: the same file as before - X logfile in /var/log
06:11<|Nico|>hmm.. i dont see an /var folder, only grub and lost and found... Oo
06:12<lupine>so that's your /boot partition?
06:13<|Nico|>don't know but as i remember grub has something to do with boot
06:13<|Nico|>its a strange feeling to be that helpless, lol
06:14<|Nico|>erm lupine you need to know that i try to extract the x logfile with exlplore2fs to get help cause i cant start the desktop-environment in debian. EE = No device found. Oo
06:15<jm_>does it only show one partition?
06:15<jm_>maybe you can change it in the options somewhere, it's been ages since I last run it (I use fsdext nowadays(
06:17<jm_>yeah there's partition prefix in preferences
06:17<|Nico|>but removing it doesn't change anything except the partition's name
06:18<jm_>removing it? you're supposed to type the last two characters to identify the partition
06:19<|Nico|>Im feeling really ashamed right now lool :D hm so which characters should i type? Oo
06:19<jm_>what does it say for existing partition?
06:19<jm_>try a2 then
06:19<|Nico|>now the existing one is named "a2a1".. ^^
06:20<jm_>where are you doing this?
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06:20<jm_>go to Edit -> Options menu
06:20<jm_>or View -> Options, not sure
06:20<|Nico|>i did it in view
06:20<jm_>you should only have a2 in there, nothing else
06:21<|Nico|>yes i have, but it does only change the displayed name of a1
06:22<|Nico|>cant i copy the file to a floppy when im using linux? shouldn't be too difficult, is it?
06:22<|Nico|>okay.. the command for copy is cp, right?
06:23<jm_>and the drop down menu in top left also shows only one partition?
06:23<jm_>yeah but you have to mount it first
06:23<|Nico|>yes :/
06:24<|Nico|>how do i do that?
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06:24<jm_>mkdir /tmp/f && mount /dev/fd0 /tmp/f
06:24<jm_>then cp an dfinally umount /tmp/f
06:25<jm_>readme says it uses NT code to detect partitions, I wonder why it only shows one
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06:25<|Nico|>i dont understand y i have to do it, but i'll do it, lol^^ can't wait to gain some knowledge -.-
06:26<jm_>did you try using vesa driver as told before?
06:26<|Nico|>i changed to nv, before i did that i couldnt even get to the login-prompt
06:27<jm_>yeah try vesa too, that should work
06:27<jm_>nv dosn't support 8800 cards in your version
06:28<|Nico|>ah okay thats good to know.
06:28<jm_>man nv
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06:28<|Nico|>okay, first ill search for my error in some communitys, THEN ill try changing to vesa and if that doesnt work im gonna copy the xlog file. right?^^
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06:29<jm_>you can skip step 1
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06:29<|Nico|>okay^^ thanks. cya in some minutes ;D
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06:34<Shoozza>Hello I found a bug in "top": top then press x, O, a, Enter
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06:45<jm_>Shoozza: heh
06:45<Shoozza>I just played a bit around with top and that's what I found ;)
06:46<crazybyte>hi, is it possible to use a mysql table instead of /etc/passwd
06:46<jm_>crazybyte: yes
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06:47<crazybyte>jm_, and how?
06:48<jm_>crazybyte: apt-cache show libnss-mysql
06:48<smhar>good afternoon to all of you
06:48<crazybyte>jm_, thx
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06:50<smhar>I am having problems getting apt-proxy to work. I have configured it in the server (see conf the server is an old computer with only 64MB of ram but plenty of swap. I never had a problem with that (see meminfo I also configured the client accordingly
06:51<kreoxie>can some one tell me what is the little program i run that lets me choose the soundcard and driver or whatever
06:51<smhar>But when I apt-get update it just keeps checking and nothing is done
06:51<crazybyte>jm_, exactly what im looking for ;)
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06:59<Fedemocho23>somebody to help me with an instalationnnnnnnn
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07:00<JasonS>!tell Fedemocho23 abotu ask
07:00<JasonS>!tell Fedemocho23 about ask
07:00<JasonS>damn fingers
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07:00<weasel>abotu? a new ubuntu version?
07:01<kreoxie>some one in here told me something to type in (don't remember what) then a blue screen popped up and i manage to get my sound working could anyone tell me what i need to type in? my sound stopped again after a reboot
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07:04<dpkg>i guess sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
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07:07<kreoxie>!alsa checklist
07:07<dpkg>hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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07:10<kreoxie>ok i get sound to work like that
07:10<kreoxie>now how do i keep it that way after a reboot
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07:11<seanius>kreoxie: which step got it working?
07:11<kreoxie>when i run alsaconf and change the driver or whatever
07:11<kreoxie>i didnt do the other steps
07:12<seanius>i think there's some kind of "save current settings" that you can do from the init script
07:12<seanius>someone else probably knows more than me
07:12<jm_>kreoxie: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
07:13<kreoxie>what did that do? i just clicked alsa again? did it save the settings?
07:14<jm_>no, for that you can use alsactl store
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07:15<jm_>back then there was a debconf question about this, but I am not sure if it still exists
07:16<jm_>does 'dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base' ask you about that?
07:16<kreoxie>no it just asks me if i want to use Alsa, OSS, or default
07:16<kreoxie>then it closes
07:17<kreoxie>lol sorry
07:17<kreoxie>i didn't notice you wrote something dif
07:18<kreoxie>no alsa-base nothing happens
07:18<jm_>right, it was removed then, too bad - set things up and run "alsactl store"
07:19<EmleyMoor>Do SATA DVD writers work well in Debian?
07:20<kreoxie>should something open when i run alsactl store?
07:20<kreoxie>nothing happens with that either
07:21<EmleyMoor>Does the prompt come back?
07:21<kreoxie>well yeah the prompt comes back
07:21<EmleyMoor>OK - it was successful
07:21<kreoxie>ok cool
07:21<seanius>kreoxie: that's probably a good sign.
07:21<jm_>no it's a command line tool
07:22<seanius>generally in the linux/unix paradigm a lack of error messages and a 0 exit status mean success
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07:29<isuckatlinux>is it normal to dowload a kernel and when doing make menuconfig get 300 errors?
07:31<padski>isuckatlinux, go on I'll bite ... what errors ?
07:33<isuckatlinux>well, first one scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:97: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘chtype’
07:33<padski>isuckatlinux, you can't build the stuff in the scripts dir ?
07:34<isuckatlinux>i was just following a guide, says download the kernel, make config, load ur old config
07:34<padski>isuckatlinux, I would guess you are missing some dependencies for that. try something like apt-get build-dep linux-source
07:34<isuckatlinux>how do i don't build that
07:35<isuckatlinux>dang, it's never straigh forward
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07:35<padski>beleive me. *that* is straight forward.
07:35<padski>in the old days we had to build out own core memory ;-)
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07:36<padski>and wind out own transformers
07:36<isuckatlinux>yeah but im not familiar with those compiler errors
07:36<JasonS>isuckatlinux: ill bite, why are you compliing a kernel?
07:36<rafal>debian lenny is weaker to debian sarge
07:37<isuckatlinux>i have etch and a sony laptop
07:37[~]JasonS scrolls up in case he missed it
07:37<isuckatlinux>i want the new sony module
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07:37<isuckatlinux>comes integrated with the new kernel
07:37<padski>*phew* here comes the cavalry ;-)
07:37[~]JasonS trusts padski isnt looking at him when he said that :)
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07:38<padski>JasonS, TAG!
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07:40<padski>isuckatlinux, drivers for a japanese corporation ? ;-)
07:40<isuckatlinux>yeah, comeone created a sony-laptop module
07:40<padski>ah! yeah I know the sort of thing.
07:40<isuckatlinux>i wrote to that guy about it and he said the module comes with the new kernel, that i wouldn
07:41<isuckatlinux>wouldn't be able to add it to my current kernel
07:41<weasel>when was it included?
07:41<padski>isuckatlinux, and you are on etch. which kernel does it come in ? what version number ?
07:41<padski>I'll beleive the first one ;-)
07:42<weasel>isuckatlinux: has 2.6.22 backports for etch
07:42<isuckatlinux>lol, and what is that
07:42<padski>sorry, backports with the s
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07:44<isuckatlinux>yeah, my theory is that since i always have prroblems with linux, and I'll probably screw up anyways, I'll just compile the new kernel
07:44<padski>weasel, how does backports deal with the problem of needing later utilities ? does it include dependencies for them ?
07:44<weasel>if required, yes
07:44<isuckatlinux>so basically this backports make new stuff work with old libraries
07:45<padski>isuckatlinux, so instead of having to run evertything at the bleeding edge, you just do that where it really matters to you.
07:45<seanius>and if not then the library you need will also be backported
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07:46<isuckatlinux>what kernel comes with sid
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07:47<isuckatlinux>there u go, so can i upgrade to sid from etch?
07:48<ranix>you don't want sid probably
07:48<padski>isuckatlinux, sid is unstable. etch is stable. it *is* an upgrade in terms of stability, but backwards in terms of versions, and not supported.
07:48<isuckatlinux>why? still sucks?
07:48<ranix>'sucks' is not applicable
07:49<padski>isuckatlinux, because you had to ask how to build those progs.
07:49<ranix>if etch is a pony, sid is a bull
07:49<padski>isuckatlinux, you really only want to run sid if you can fix the breakage.
07:49<ranix>I can ride a bull. Can you?
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07:50<padski>with my hands tied behind my back, but I'd still rather have a comfortable ride :-)
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07:50<ranix>I use etch for that reason, with a few deviations
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07:50<isuckatlinux>so, if i do that backport thing
07:51<isuckatlinux>where the hell do i get that sony-laptop that i cant find anywhere
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07:51<padski>this would be the module ?
07:51<isuckatlinux>yes but i couldnt find the source for it, this guy told me that is only included with the new kernel
07:51<ranix>google needs to have an advanced search option that can handle escaped punctuation
07:52<|Nico|>hey... my problems still there, i get a black screen every time i want to start xwindow. im going crazy -.-
07:52<isuckatlinux>there is even a wiki but the module is not there
07:52<isuckatlinux>it's the driver dude
07:52<ranix>the driver for your laptop amirite
07:53<ranix>try using the sonypi module instead
07:53<isuckatlinux>i tried, i cant get fn to work
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07:53<|Nico|>tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't help. error message is still : device not found
07:54<isuckatlinux>u sure u have a video card right?
07:54<stew>|Nico|: that means you are using a driver that doesn't support any of your video cards
07:54<|Nico|>yes, thats what i was typing until you wrote^^ im using a gf 8800
07:54<ranix>|Nico|: try using the vga or vesa drivers for X and see if that works, in dpkg-reconfifgure xserver-xorg
07:54<isuckatlinux>i knew i should have gotten a not sony laptop
07:54<stew>|Nico|: or possibly you specified an incorrect busid (you probably shouldn't be specifying a busid at all)
07:54<ranix>get that to work first and then try the proprietary nvidia drivers
07:54<|Nico|>i didnt try the vga driver until now, only nv and vesa
07:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
07:54<isuckatlinux>happen that i didnt expect VISTA to be such a piece of shit
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07:55<ranix>try vga first
07:55<ranix>then do what dpkg said later to get acceleration
07:55<isuckatlinux>install the new nvidia proprietary driver, works great
07:55<ranix>isuckatlinux: gb2/g/
07:56<Fedemocho23>i have a problem
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07:56<Fedemocho23> i have installed a netinst version of debian
07:56<Fedemocho23>[09:55] <Fedemocho23> but i want a version with a graphical interface
07:56<Fedemocho23>[09:56] <Fedemocho23> and that version don´t have a graphical interface
07:56<isuckatlinux>so ranix what does that exactly means in japanese
07:56<|Nico|>okay i'll try vga. ty. erm i already read the nv-wiki but i didnt unterstand it. as i said, i never worked with linux before
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07:56<ranix>Fedemocho23: try apt-get install x-window-system
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07:57<isuckatlinux>dont get discouraged, will be many years in #debian 'til u get it
07:57<Fedemocho23>debian 40r0 i386 netinst is the version i have installed
07:57<stew>Fedemocho23: do you know which desktop environment / window manager you want to use?
07:57<stew>Fedemocho23: you mean you want the eventual install to be graphical? or the installer itself?
07:57<padski>isuckatlinux, the suggestion is that you get the backported 2.6.22 kernel from, which should include the sony-laptop module
07:57<|Nico|>@isuckatlinux : yeh im really motivated to learn more about linux but its kinda frustrating that im not eben able to get it started^^
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07:58<isuckatlinux>don't be such a pussy! u'll get it eventually we all go thru that!
07:58<ranix>|Nico|: don't worry about it, ignore the troll. Just try the vga driver; get it working first and then move ahead. One step at a time
07:58<Fedemocho23><stew>: i don´t know which i want to install
07:58<stew>isuckatlinux: name calling is not going to be tollerated here
07:59<Fedemocho23>Fedemocho23: you mean you want the eventual install to be graphical? or the installer itself? ---> i don´t know what you mean
07:59<isuckatlinux>just motivating this guy
07:59<|Nico|>dont worry im not pissed off, i can laugh about myself ;p
07:59<|Nico|>okay ranix, i try the vga driver. if it doesnt work i have to install the original one by nvidia, right?!
07:59<stew>Fedemocho23: run "aptitude install xorg gnome"
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08:00<isuckatlinux>I would do that from the beggining, its a big difference
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08:00<Fedemocho23><stew> i want a desktop environmnet installed in my computer
08:00<stew>Fedemocho23: run "aptitude install xorg gnome"
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08:00<Fedemocho23>i think it is best if the installer itself
08:01<isuckatlinux>ok padski, thats for the suggestion, I'll try that and then probably play a little bit with a second kernel
08:01<|Nico|>hm i would like to do that but i dont know how. its really strange to work without gui^^ whatever, first im gonna try the vga thing, see you in appr. 10 mins. bye
08:01<Fedemocho23><stew> how do i run "aptitude install xorg gnome"?
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08:01<stew>Fedemocho23: then run 'tasksel' (which will eventually do exactly the same thing as "aptitude install xorg gnome" if you select 'desktop' from inside tasksel)
08:01<engywuck_>is it possible to use a NDAS hdd in debian?
08:01<Fedemocho23>i know a very little about terminal
08:02<jm_>he must have answered Y to FB question to get vesa to fail
08:02<stew>Fedemocho23: you just type this, "aptitude install xorg gnome<enter>" after logging in as 'root'
08:03<Fedemocho23><stew> there's any installer i could download and run without comands=?
08:03<Fedemocho23>i´ll try
08:03<stew>Fedemocho23: yes, the one you downloaded. you just failed to select "desktop" at the end of the install
08:04<padski>isuckatlinux, enjoy!
08:04<stew>Fedemocho23: you can repeat that part of the install now by running "tasksel" or you can do what choosing "desktop" would have done by running "aptitude install gnome xorg"
08:04<engywuck_>or kde instead of gnome
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08:04<isuckatlinux>-), maybe one day
08:05<Fedemocho23>ok thanks i'll try
08:05<engywuck_>so... anyone using NDAS storage under debian?
08:05<engywuck_>or knows how to "get" it?
08:08<padski>I'm quite impressed with xfce4 at first glance
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08:09<gsimmons>engywuck_: Google reveals this page <> on the XIMETA wiki.
08:09<engywuck_>then your google is better than mine :)
08:09<engywuck_>mine showed mostly "NDAs" tc
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08:31<|Nico|>heyho :) back again^^
08:32<|Nico|>great news :p im able to start xwindow with the vga driver selected, but only in 320x240 resolution and 8bit color ^^
08:32<padski>|Nico|, lol
08:33<padski>|Nico|, did you try the vesa driver ?
08:33<|Nico|>yes of course, and the nv one to. but i recieved only a black screen with both
08:34<|Nico|>i dondt know the name but some minutes ago an user of #debian told me to use vga^^
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08:34<padski>|Nico|, what card ?
08:34<|Nico|>GeForce 8800
08:34<|Nico|>i guess thats my problem
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08:36<|Nico|>and although i get the system running now, i can't change the resolution etc. i need to learn how to install the nvidia driver, even if it might be a lil bit complicated for a linux newbie like me. damnit
08:36<|Nico|>@isuckatlinux: still here?
08:37<jm_>you'll want to use vesa driver
08:37<|Nico|>but i cant
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08:37<jm_>make sure to answer N to FB question
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08:37<jm_>and provide logfile so people can help you
08:37<jm_>but I have to go now
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08:48<padski>|Nico|, you tried this
08:48<padski>|Nico|, (I'm not even sure whether your hardware is supported in that)
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08:49<|Nico|>as is read in some communitys it doesnt support my card :/
08:49<|Nico|>and even if it did i would still have no clue how to install it^^
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08:51<|Nico|>another user claims that the driver works. so im gonna try it
08:51<|Nico|>any idea how i can get the driver from my windows system to the linux hdd? does linux accept cds i made with windows?
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08:51<xbc>|Nico|, whats the whole name of the card? GeForce 8800 xx?
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08:53<xbc>it is supported.
08:53<xbc>but you should first try a GPL driver :)
08:54<|Nico|>whats a gpl driver?
08:54<|Nico|>and thx for the info!
08:54<xbc>|Nico|, free software i mean
08:54<xbc>|Nico|, not proprietary like the one from nvidia
08:55<|Nico|>ah okay... i understand u. but at least ne nv and vesa drivers don't work at all
08:56<padski>|Nico|, there is a nvidia-kernel-source package in sid for 100.14.11
08:57<xbc>padski, in non-free?
08:57<|Nico|>in sid? my problem is that im not used to linux. i dont know what kernel-source.packages are etc ^^ it drives me mad to be so helpless xD
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08:59<padski>xbc, yeah, good point. p.d.o said 'sid' and I repeated it without thinking.
08:59<JasonS>|Nico|: then to be honest sid isn't the best choice for you :)
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09:00<xbc>padski, do you use etch?
09:00<padski>JasonS, I haven't been able to figure out which versions of the non-free driver support this card, but it may be the only option (give or take backports)
09:00<padski>xbc, yes
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09:01<padski>xbc, do you ? :-)
09:01<|Nico|>atm i dont really care if the driver is free or not, i just want to get the system started in a way that i can learn more about linux to solve furhter problems on my own... so can you tell me how to do this? how to install the driver?
09:02<xbc>yes, but not on this computer :)
09:02<seanius>|Nico|: my sympathies, just think about this as one big learning experience :)
09:02<|Nico|>yeah maybe youre right^^
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09:03<seanius>i haven't followed the whole conversation... so you have an nvidia card, which is too new for the proprietary drivers in etch (and you're running etch)?
09:04<|Nico|>yes that seems to be the problem. the only exception is the "vga" driver, i can start xwindow with this one, but only in 320x240 ...
09:05<|Nico|>hmpf. :p
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09:06<padski>|Nico|, fwiw, last time I setup an nvidia the linux side was considerably less pain than the windows side, and the game I wanted to play ran better under wine than under windows
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09:08<seanius>|Nico|: and vesa didn't work?
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09:08<seanius>sorry if i'm making you repeat yourself
09:08<|Nico|>sounds very good, but HOW do i install the driver? im afraid it won't be done with a double-left click and waiting till the status-bar is full :D @seanius: no, didn't work
09:09<|Nico|>when i try to start xwindow with vesa or nv the screen just turns black and i have to reset the computer
09:10<seanius>|Nico|: okay, so then you have three options that i can see, but i'd need to check a few things before i could make a recommendation
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09:11<|Nico|>okay, ill be waiting. thanks
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09:11<padski>|Nico|, nvidia supply a driver. you can either use their packaging and follow their instructions, or IIRC you can build it from the source package in non-free. I have to say I'm surprised at the vesa driver not working.
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09:17<|Nico|>yeah me too, you should have seen the look on my face when the screen turned black for the first time^^ okay with "their packaging" you mean this one?
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09:17<|Nico|>nice. hopefully the last question: how do i move the file from my windows hdd to the linux one? can i write it on cd?
09:17<seanius>you can take the latest drivers straight from nvidia and build them against your kernel, you can take the latest kernel and drivers from testing (or maybe unstable depending on whether it's supported), or if there's stuff in backports the same from there
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09:17<|Nico|>then ill chose the nvidia driver, never had problems with them under windows.
09:17<padski>seanius, I couldn't see anything in backports ?
09:17<|Nico|>but how do i move the driver to my linux system? does linux accept cds made by windows?
09:17<padski>|Nico|, yeah, sure.
09:17<seanius>padski: there's an nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8178-0bpo1 in backports
09:17<seanius>i don't have my laptop handy to check how recent that is
09:17<padski>seanius, sorry missed that.
09:17<padski>its the same one as in lenny I think
09:17<seanius>ugh, that looks like a sarge backport
09:17<|Nico|>okay, then im gonna try it now. thx 4 your help^^
09:17<seanius>|Nico|: it will probably be easiest to get the one from nvidia and try running their installer
09:17<padski>|Nico|, good luck. you can always connect to here from linux in text mode
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09:17<seanius>you should be able to mount your windows partition read-only from linux
09:18<padski>-o ro
09:18<seanius>do you know which partition your windows stuff is on?
09:18<|Nico|>yes of course, i use 2 hdds
09:19<|Nico|>one for windows (and my stuff like music, videos etc) and a small one for linux.
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09:20<seanius>|Nico|: and all your windows stuff is on the first drive, and that's all in one "c drive"?
09:20<seanius>|Nico|: and do you know if it's IDE or SATA?
09:21<|Nico|>linux is ide, windows is sata
09:22<|Nico|>this is the reason how i came to the idea to use linux, i had this old ide drive i didn't need anymore^^
09:22<seanius>aha, cool. then i would guess that it would show up under linux as /dev/sda1
09:22<|Nico|>lol it doenst sound good if i translate german phrases 1:1 in englisch. grr
09:23<seanius>so you could just make a mountpoint with "mkdir /win" as root, and then you should be able to mount it with "mount -o ro /dev/sda1 /win"
09:23<|Nico|>so i wouldn't even have to burn a cd.. but its done already xD
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09:23<seanius>and learn about fstab to have it mounted automatically
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09:24<seanius>|Nico|: also, you'll need to have the kernel headers package for your running kernel installed, has anyone told you that?
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09:24<|Nico|>i think thats a lil bit complicated right now, but do you know how i can acess my cd drive? can i get a list of all my drives to see their name/letter?
09:25<|Nico|>no nobody told me that^^
09:25<padski>|Nico|, much the same sort of thing
09:25<|Nico|>im really confused now
09:26<padski>try mount /media/cdrom
09:26<|Nico|>okay, and i dont need anything except this driver?!
09:26<seanius>|Nico|: if you have net access from linux, i think you're best off learning to use a text-based irc client (like irssi or bitchx) so we can help you when you're actually in linux
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09:27<seanius>or if you have a second system to use irc from :)
09:27<padski>|Nico|, you have a working network connection when you get to linux ?
09:27<|Nico|>yeah thats a good idea, so im gonna burn bitchx i(just bcause i like the name^^) on the cd, too
09:27<seanius>|Nico|: if you have working network you don't need to do that
09:28<|Nico|>i can configure netacces with ppoeconfig or something like that, right?
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09:28<xbc>thinks are getting confusing, to much topics mixed up here :)
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09:28<seanius>^^^ yeah, |Nico| i think you should take one thing at a time
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09:28<xbc>*confused i mean :)
09:28<|Nico|>yep youre right
09:29<|Nico|>completely right^^
09:29<|Nico|>see you when this driver is installed! bye :D
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09:29<seanius>he'll be back :)
09:29<xbc>ah, i think this was to fast :)
09:29<xbc>2^ yes :)
09:30<padski>I can configure net access with ...
09:31<padski>... pure enthusiam :-)
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09:33<seanius>well he certainly gets points for the head first diving
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09:34<xbc>seanius, yes :)
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09:37<kikinovak>Hi. I want to download a remote directory recursively with wget, but I have some trouble fine-tuning my options. When I use wget -m -nH I get a whole directory tree until my subdirectory. And when I use the -nd switch, there's a bunch of files in one big directory.
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09:39<padski>kikinovak, so you want everything from downwards in a directory called bar ?
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09:40<kikinovak>padski exactly
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09:41<padski>kikinovak, personally I would do wget -m && mv . && rmdir (or something)
09:42<kikinovak>padski well I've seen a guy once do this... so I know it *can* be done. And since I will have to do this quite often, I'd rather opt for the direct solution.
09:42<padski>kikinovak, but I admire your search for the perfect option :-)
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09:43<padski>kikinovak, I take it --cut-dirs is no use to you ?
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09:43<kikinovak>padski I experimented a bit with it, but couldn't quite seem to get it right.
09:43<mjk>Does clive-0.2.1-1 work with any Google Video link for anyone? I tried to no avail, clive crashes with "(e) : exceptions.IndexError (list index out of range)".
09:44<mjk>clive-0.2.1-1 is not in testing yet, I took the unstable .deb.
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10:21<averna>Got time for a question?
10:21<lupine>oh, absolutely
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10:22<padski>its just the foreplay that there is a shortage of time for ;-)
10:23<averna>Excellent. I haven't been able to read my windows formatted floppys - how can I do it? My system is not dual boot.
10:23[~]qbit cries a little
10:23<padski>averna, can you mount them ?
10:23<averna>too bad about the foeplay tho
10:24<averna>I am do I do that?
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10:24<padski>mount /media/floppy
10:24<cahoot>mount or forplay?
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10:25<averna>hee All kinds of advice here today, eh. Ok, I'll try it. THx.
10:25<lupine>you need to add -t vfat or -t msdos, possibly
10:25<padski>averna, what lupine says too
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10:28<averna>OK, thanks
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10:31<averna>What's the best online Linux tutorial? And by best, I mean one that caters to absolute neophytes.
10:31<averna>I need one that holds my hand.
10:31<maxamillion>averna: that site has ALOT of docs
10:32<padski>but you can do a lot worse than ...
10:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:32<maxamillion>averna: but specific to debian ... go here --->
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10:32<padski>the debian manuals are very good
10:33<roderyk> -> should I install instead of using the one that comes with debian kernel 2.6.22?
10:33<padski>but perhaps not "assume I know nothing" material
10:34<averna>I'm glad this resource is here, yes. Sometimes I feel I don't know enough to follow through on the answers. It;s been a long time since I regularly used dos or terminal commands to make things work.
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10:34<lupine>terminal ((>>>)^128) dos
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10:38<averna>Thanks so much, see you later.
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11:10<simonrvn>you're here already andrey ;)
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11:21[~]fxiny wow signal detector crashes
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11:29<fxiny>hmm : remember-el path is not a /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/ but a /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/
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11:59<sheldonh>how can i find out what modules are included in my /boot/initrd.img* by default?
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12:01<frank>there's /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, but it only specifies groups
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12:02<petemc>!initrd modules
12:02<dpkg>it has been said that initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$;
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12:03<sheldonh>hot shit! thanks
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12:04<kapat>I've got a problem with timezones. My timezone is set correctly, but date reports the time in UTC, instead of CDT. How do I change that?
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12:06<sheldonh>interesting that it doesn't include raid{0,1,456,10} and yet manages to boot an md root
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12:07<fxiny>!setting time
12:07<dpkg>it has been said that setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong ...
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12:07<sheldonh>i've added dm_mod, dm_mirror and dm_snapshot to an fai install client's /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs -u, but when the installed client boots, /dev/mapper/vgr1-root doesn't exist (even though the modules got loaded and /dev/mapper/control exists). any ideas?
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12:10<kapat>fxiny: rcS is set to use UTC, and the hardware clock is set to UTC, but the date command won't give time in CDT...
12:11<kapat>Which should be the defalt, afaict
12:11<amphi>kapat: tzconfig perhaps
12:12<kapat>amphi: tzconfig is set correctly
12:12<sheldonh>aha! mdadm isn't in the initrd
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12:14<fxiny>kapat: are you running lenny sid or etch ?
12:14[~]x03 yo
12:14<kapat>Ah, I think I got it
12:15<kapat>Even though /etc/timezone was correct, I re-ran tzconfig and now it appears to be working
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12:15<kapat>not sure what fixed it though... :(
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12:15<fxiny>tzonfig is for etch . lenny and sid dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
12:15<EmleyMoor>Should I go for a PATA or SATA DVD writer? Also, is there any support for LightScribe/LabelFlash in Debian?
12:16<lupine>environment variable, I would guess
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12:18<sheldonh>aha! on an md/lvm box installed by the debian installer, initrd has all sorts of goodies like /sbin/mdadmin. lots more playing required :)
12:19<fxiny>the same installer some idiot don't like ?
12:19<EmleyMoor>Is lacie in etch or only in lenny or later?
12:19<lupine>the utilities placed into the initrd need to be present on the system doing the generation
12:19<lupine>(That got me with LVM at least once)
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12:20<sheldonh>fxiny: you must be thinking of some other idiot. i dig it, i just have a feeling fai is going to allow more flexibility for the 1,300 servers we're going to have to set up soon :)
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12:20<kapat>sheldonh: That's a lot of servers. What are they all for?
12:21<sheldonh>lupine: they just have to exist? you don't have to tell update-initramfs about them?
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12:21<sheldonh>kapat: a bunch of schools in south africa
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12:21<sheldonh>kapat: will be if we land the work :)
12:22<petemc>its not a charity thing?
12:22<lupine>sheldonh: I didn't have to, no
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12:22<sheldonh>lupine: 'cause i've _got_ mdadm installed, but it didn't make it into the initrd
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12:22<fxiny>sheldonh: just to hilight that the debien installer is good as ever :)
12:22<sheldonh>fxiny: indeed it is :)
12:22<lupine>hmm. like I said, my experience is with LVM... I'm not really sure about it all
12:23<lupine>a bit of a black art, really :D
12:23<ajcc>Hello, is anyone willing to help me with ndiswrapper? I've apt-get the source and utilities, what's next? Where's the source? My kernel-version is 2.6.22, it's custom-compiled, so I maybe I need features enabled?
12:23<sheldonh>lupine: i think i need to drop a post-install hook in that let's me shell around and see what update-initramfs left me with
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12:24<kapat>ajcc: ndiswrapper is bad, do you really need it?
12:24<kapat>ajcc: The wireless driver support has been getting better recently
12:24<ajcc>kapat: I do, Netgear is having the worst product names ever... WG511v2 isn't at all like WG511 and it's always listed as WG511 in stores... bad netgear... so yes :)
12:24<lupine>the source is put into a tarball in /usr/src, IIRC
12:25<kapat>ajcc: Bummer
12:25<lupine>m-a compatible, although I don't know if your kernel is
12:25<kapat>ajcc: Did you read the ndiswrapper docs in /usr/share/doc/?
12:25<kapat>ajcc: Usually there are good instructions there
12:25<ajcc>kapat: didn't find anything about support for this nic without ndiswrapper, but I might just google the chipset before getting into ndiswrapper
12:25<ajcc>kapat: didn't know about it :)
12:25<fxiny>sheldonh: 1300 ? i can give you a pretty handy master password , an unbreakeble one : blahbob ;)
12:26<EmleyMoor>Given a free choice between a SATA DVD writer and a PATA one, if it's for a Debian system, which would be best to go for?
12:26<ajcc>kapat: thanks!
12:26<sheldonh>fxiny: you can have any password you like -- they won't accept password authentication or root logins :)
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12:26<fxiny>sheldonh: :))
12:26<sheldonh>EmleyMoor: if it were me, i'd stick with pata unless i knew someone who was raving about debian's support of his sata one
12:27<JasonS>EmleyMoor: free? take them both then
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12:29<ddog>hi, i'm sure someone can give me help with this: how do i share internet connection? i have 2 network adapters in this computer and 1 on another
12:29<EmleyMoor>JasonS: No, a free choice - have either, price difference measured in farthings
12:29<JasonS>ahh :)
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12:30<EmleyMoor>sheldonh: Ah, well, fair enough... Might keep my old one too as it is still fine for CDs
12:30<ajcc>wow, that's userfriendly the way it should be (debian docs)
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12:30<_Tango_>hai friends :good evening
12:31<peterrooney>ddog: bridge control - brctl not sure which package. needs a module inserted in kernel, usually
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12:31<ajcc>bummer, need to build a new kernel too... ouch
12:32<lupine>nah, you should be able to use your existing kernel
12:32<_Tango_>is lsusb command shows the all devices conected with this system ? can i show the root hub ?
12:32<sheldonh>got it
12:32<peterrooney>apt-file says package is bridge-utils
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12:33<sheldonh>lupine: i suspect mdadm is installed in the fai install chroot, but not in the installed client os. i suspect i've forgotten to add lvm2 and mdadm packages to the SW_RAID class packages
12:34<ajcc>hmm, old kernel source in unstable
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12:36<ajcc>can I use the source from
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12:38<lupine>sure you can
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12:41<ajcc>what's the difference between it and the one in apt?
12:41<ajcc>except from being the latest
12:41<lupine>it's missing a bunch of debian-specific patches, for a start
12:41<ajcc>that sounds bad
12:41<lupine>see package linux-patch-debian-2.6.21
12:41<lupine>ah, there's a linux-patch-debian-2.6.22
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12:42<ajcc>I see
12:43<ajcc>probably a good thing to wait for later versions in apt then
12:44<sheldonh>lupine: thanks for the help. it's working now
12:44[~]sheldonh beams
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12:44<ajcc>I did find a kickass doc about how to compile a custom kernel and get a .deb of it, I have never found it after that... anyone know about it?
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12:47<ajcc>yeah! thanks
12:47<kapat>ajcc: you just need make-kpkg
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12:49<ajcc>ah, so after make menuconfig, I'll just do make-kpkg?
12:49<ajcc>nice :)
12:50<P1R0>make-kpkg kernel-Image
12:50<kapat>ajcc: I usually do something like "make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd=fakeroot --rev=blah kernel-image"
12:51<kapat>ajcc: Then you don't need to be root to build it, and I need initrd still
12:51<cahoot>ajcc, if you really think you need an initrd
12:51<ajcc>yeah, I remeber it
12:51<simonrvn>kernel_headers too
12:52<ajcc>my current kernel have --initrd too
12:52<simonrvn>well, if you do that sort of thing ;)
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12:54<ajcc>I guess this will take some time, I'll go and grab some tea and fruits, thanks for all the help!
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13:19<kevinl>hello. etch does not recognize my cdrom drive, even though i installed etch from the cd net-installer
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13:19<kevinl>its a newer gateway machine, any ideas?
13:19<kevinl>ubuntu does find it
13:19<kevinl>i dont even have device node /dev/cdrom or /dev/scd0
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13:22<Fluewatuet_>somebody tried to work with i2c-parport under debian?
13:23<Fluewatuet_>i have an 2 wired buss on 2 I/O pins and i can't get it to work properly
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13:24<chantanito>i have a problem...
13:24<chantanito>i just upgrade my lenny
13:25<chantanito>and my nm-applet is gone...
13:25<chantanito>is there any package that contains it?
13:27<reis>the package is network-manager-gnome
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13:30<chantanito>No se encontró ninguna versión reciente o candidata para network-manager-gnome
13:30<chantanito>Paquete: network-manager-gnome
13:30<chantanito>Estado: no es un paquete real
13:30<chantanito>there's no candidate version for network-manager...
13:31<chantanito>how could that be possible?
13:31<lupine>look on the bright side - network-manager sucks anyway
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13:31<chantanito>lupine: any suggestion?
13:32<Michi>i had the same problem. the package isnt there. maybe you can use the package from sid
13:32<lupine>you could pull it in from sid (0.6.5-1)
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13:33<lupine>or you could breathe a sigh of relief that it's gone, and configure your network the sane way
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13:34<lupine>hehe. network-manager: Installed: (none)
13:34<chantanito>it's weird, how can they just remove it? is there a package that does the same thing?
13:34<lupine>packages get pulled from testing for all sorts of reasons
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13:41<chantanito>so, i'm screw...
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13:44<ajcc>after make-kpkg [...] kernel-image, is the kernel bootable?
13:44<ajcc>from grub+
13:45<cahoot>if you install it
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13:45<ajcc>ah :)
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13:46<ajcc>test run then
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14:09<ajcc>yay, making progress :)
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14:11<tropcky>hi all
14:12<tropcky>need help here
14:12<ajcc>ask and someone will help :)
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14:13<tropcky>i want aname for any web site to learn how 2 hack into the local network
14:13<tropcky>any one ?
14:14<tropcky>spain ???? is it in english ?
14:14<lupine>It's english, check it out
14:14<lupine>I learned how to hack there
14:14<vortex>tropcky: indeed its english
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14:14<tropcky>thank u man
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14:14<lupine>no problem - enjoy it
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14:14<tropcky>is it easy ?
14:15<tropcky>thank u ?
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14:15<lupine>no charge. The look on your face is payment enough
14:15<vortex>lupine: hahaha
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14:16<lupine>tropcky: let me know how you find it
14:16<tropcky>that is a
14:17<tropcky>no man
14:17<tropcky>no for real
14:17<tropcky>is ther any site 2 ?/
14:18<tropcky>local network not porn network
14:18<lupine>srsly d00d, j00 su><0rz. kraxxxz0rz r t3h 1am3
14:18<lupine>this is #debian, not #idiots
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14:18<tropcky>will thank u for that
14:19<tropcky>but i am new user for linux i just wanna learn so no need to call me idiot
14:19<tropcky>thanks any way
14:19<JasonS>tropcky: well then why are you asking about hacking in #debian ?
14:19<ajcc>yay! wifi connection, how sexy
14:19<lupine>you're asking people here to become accessories to a crime. Of course your'e an idiot
14:20<tropcky>cuz i wanna learn
14:20<tropcky>thats all
14:20<tropcky>all i wanted is 2 learn
14:20<JasonS>just because we run debian means we're hacking?
14:20<vortex>tropcky: hacking with permission as in penetration testing is legal, but without permission is a crime in nearly every country
14:20<lupine>[20:11] <tropcky> i want aname for any web site to learn how 2 hack into the local network
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14:20<JasonS>whose local network?
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14:21<tropcky>my local network my frends and we just use that to jok with our self
14:21<tropcky>we dont use it 2 hack at any one
14:21<ajcc>Ok, now that I have everything working, how do I save the settings so it will all work again on next boot?
14:22<lupine>ajcc: in /etc/network/interfaces is one place
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14:23<ajcc>is there another?
14:23<ajcc>I did modprobe ndiswrapper
14:23<tropcky>oky forget about that i am sorry
14:23<lupine>you'll need to add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
14:23<ajcc>and that's it?
14:24<lupine>you might need to configure ndiswrapper to load the right driver configuration... I'm not sure (havn't used it for a while)
14:24<ajcc>I'll check it out
14:24<tropcky>by the way i wanna be a reealy good linux user and root and i really cant do that by my self so is ther any advise ?
14:24<tropcky>by the way i am learning by my self
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14:24<tropcky>so i need help
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14:26<ajcc>lupine: thanks for all the help!
14:26<tropcky>thatnkz for all help
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14:34<qmyro>hi all i am trying to build boost from source could does someone have a how to or a link
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14:42<Guest560>jemand da?
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14:53<N`Kr1pt>I can't view a particular website from my debian machine; I've tried multiple browsers but it just doesn't work
14:53<N`Kr1pt>it works on osx and windows, however
14:53<N`Kr1pt>any idea what the problem could be?
14:53<lupine>is it the same browser in osx and windows that it fails to work with in linux?
14:54<N`Kr1pt>yes, firefox
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14:54<lupine>hmm. what's the website?
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14:54<N`Kr1pt>i would like to give the link, but it's an the intranet
14:54<lupine>could it be flash or java causing the problem?
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14:54<N`Kr1pt>no it's a normal wiki
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14:55<lupine>that's... very strange
14:55<ajcc>Ah, there's nothing like sitting on the roof of the school having a cup of tea
14:55<lupine>ajcc: good tea? :)
14:55<lupine>N`Kr1pt: same browser version?
14:55<N`Kr1pt>lupine, yes
14:55<ajcc>indeed, I only drink non coffein tea, this is organic green tea, very nice
14:55<N`Kr1pt>it's very strange :s
14:56<N`Kr1pt>and I tried a lot of browsers
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14:56<lupine>tried faking the User-Agent to make the server think it's a Windows, not Linux, PC?
14:56<lupine>it could be some server-side gubbins
14:56<ajcc>lupine: I didn't have to set up nsdiwrapper on start, only modprobe :)
14:57<N`Kr1pt>lupine, how can I do that?
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14:59<lupine>not sure how firefox does it; it's trivial in konqueror
14:59<N`Kr1pt>think I found something useful:
14:59<N`Kr1pt>gonna try it :)
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14:59<lupine>that'd do the trick
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15:01<lupine>if that doesn't work, then you can probably conclude that it's a firefox bug
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15:02<N`Kr1pt>but I also tried epiphany, opera, konqueror, galeon, ...
15:02<N`Kr1pt>it really looks like an OS problem
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15:03<lupine>the underlying OS has very little to do with HTML rendering
15:03<lupine>what about the page fails to work?
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15:04<N`Kr1pt>lupine, that's what I thought too, it can't be a OS problem
15:04<N`Kr1pt>it's very strange, but the user agent switcher is installed atm, gonna give it a try
15:06<N`Kr1pt>hmz, still doesn't work
15:07<N`Kr1pt>but the site goed through ssl
15:07<N`Kr1pt>could it be a problem with that?
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15:07<N`Kr1pt>I get the login screen, and I log in then it tries to load the Main page (https), but there it keeps loading
15:08<lupine>do other ssl sites work?
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15:08<N`Kr1pt>hmz do you know one by heart? :)
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15:10<lupine>(not that you'll have a username or password for it, but that doesn't matter for testing purposes)
15:10<chaoticmass>How do I setup exim/sendmail so that it can.... send mail? PHP calls sendmail -t when my script uses the mail() function. My mail isn't going anywhere because I never configured sendmail. I've searched google but not found much info. Any links to a tutorial or some pointers to get me started would be appreciated. Thanks
15:10<N`Kr1pt>lupine, yes they work
15:10<Eulex>N`Kr1pt, shouldn't the page already be ssl before you try to log in? so the login page loads correctly?
15:11<petemc>chaoticmass: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
15:11<lupine>hmm. well, I'm out of ideas
15:11<lupine>the webserver's ssl implementation could be screwed from a linux PoV
15:11<lupine>seems unlikely though
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15:12<Eulex>could be some internal firewall misconfiguration that happens to affect this machine but not the osx and windows machines
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15:12<Eulex>but I dunno, unlikely too.
15:12<N`Kr1pt>probably not
15:12<N`Kr1pt>but i'll flush iptables anyway
15:13<N`Kr1pt>lupine, yes the login screen works perfectly and it's ssl
15:13<N`Kr1pt>very strange...
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15:13<chaoticmass>petemc : thanks
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15:14<amphi>heh, SCOX closed at 0.16
15:14<N`Kr1pt>I'm gonna start a linux live cd and see if it work there
15:14<N`Kr1pt>you never know :)
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15:17<qmyro>hi all i am trying to build boost from source does someone have a how to or a link
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15:35<chantanito>i need some help in here (again)
15:35<chantanito>i'm trying to configure my Acer Orbicam in Lenny...
15:36<chantanito>i searched in Google and got this
15:36<chantanito>the thing is that when i make lsusb i just don't get a thing!
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15:37<chantanito>any ideas?
15:37<lupine>you might need to run lsusb as root
15:38<chantanito>ok, you have a point
15:38<chantanito>lupine: yeah, it appears...
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15:39<chantanito>it's not the same in Ubuntu Forums :(
15:39<lupine>your best bet is to do a search on the usbid
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15:49<FF>radeon + dual screen + xinerama does not work anymore on my T41p
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15:50<FF>even after 2h of xorg.conf tweaking :)
15:50<FF>no (EE) or (WW) in the log ...
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15:52<roderyk>on a new install, can't seem to get my wireless working. << using the ipw2200-module from testing. Will compiling my own from sourceforge help? or is the issue elsewhere? (google turned up some hits about udev configurations.. maybe the issue is there?)
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15:53<stew>FF: what video card does that have? some kind of radeon mobility? which driver are you using?
15:53<FF>it's a t41p lenovo with a firegl2
15:54<vortex>roderyk: do you have non-free in your sources.list?
15:54<FF>driver radeon, xorg
15:54<FF>but something really weird just happened
15:54<FF>after 5min
15:54<FF>the external screen actually switches on
15:54<FF>but if I start "xclock -display :0.1"
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15:55<FF>I have some clutter on my main display and the outline of the clock on the external screen :)
15:55<FF>that's weird
15:55<stew>FF: should work for you then, but note i have a strange mouse setup for the synaptics
15:55<FF>I guess it's why it's called unstable
15:55<FF>stew I have had a config working perfectly for 2 years
15:55<stew>FF: if something shows up on :0.1, it sounds like you don't have xinerama enabled
15:55<FF>just upadted this morning and now it's messed up
15:55<stew>FF: oh, this is after going to 7.3?
15:55<FF>I guess? :/
15:56<roderyk>vortex: yes
15:56<FF>ii xserver-xorg 1:7.3+2 the X.Org X server
15:56<vortex>roderyk make sure you install the ipw2200 firmware
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15:57<vortex>roderyk: and that you did: m-a a-i ipw2200
15:57<FF>stew it's not that the clock appears on the second display like it would do without xinerama ... I have both clutter on the internal screen and the clock silhouette on the external screen
15:58<stew>vortex: why does he need to compile ipw2200?
15:58<FF>just wanted to know if I should kill myself trying to configure the damn thing or wait for an update
15:58<stew>FF: why not file a bug then switch back to 7.2?
15:58<vortex>stew: as far as i know, no binary ipw2200 files are in etch
15:58<vortex>stew: only the source package
15:58<stew>!info ipw2200.ko etch
15:58<FF>stew, do you have that : "(WW) RADEON(0): Failed to detect secondary monitor, MergedFB/Clone mode disabled" in the log ?
15:58<stew>!find ipw2200.ko etch
15:58<dpkg>Debian Search of 'ipw2200.ko' (3 of 36): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7.
15:59<vortex>oh, its in mainline
15:59<stew>vortex: its built into all kernels starting with 2.6.15
15:59<vortex>oops, didnt notice
15:59<vortex>roderyk: nevermind then =)
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16:00<stew>roderyk: you just need to instll firmware to /lib/firmware. you can get it from ; you can find the version of your driver (which you will need to know to know which firmware to download) by running "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200"
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16:01<stew>FF: i haven't run xinerama on that machine in a long time
16:01<roderyk>stew,vortex: thanks. will try that
16:02<FF>no dual screen without xinerama neither ?
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16:02<stew>FF: not with that driver, no
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16:08<roderyk>stew,vortex: thanks, I now have the firmware loading. time to setup wpa and roaming :)
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16:13<kevinl>is vmplayer working ok in lennyZ?
16:14<Mart1953>is there a place to ask question about Knoppix ?
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16:30<nexx_>hey guys
16:30<nexx_>im looking for a program that will convert avi to dvd format
16:30<nexx_>a really simple one
16:30<nexx_>any suggestions?
16:30<roderyk>I see no /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant. but there is a /etc/default/wpasupplicant.conf to setup the arguments... what is the correct way to actually run wpa_supplicant?
16:30<lupine>nexx_: yep. one second while I remember the name
16:31<roderyk>nexx_: any2dvd
16:32<lupine>not in Debian yet, but it's the easiest frontend I've found
16:32<lupine>in fact, the only one I've managed to use successfully :D
16:33<nexx_>ok thanks guys, i'll try them both out
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16:36<nexx_>in debian what do we use as a $MANPATH?
16:36<nexx_>echo $MANPATH doesn't do any thing
16:36<dondelelcaro>nexx_: you don't need to set it.
16:37<nexx_>is there a single dir for manual pages then?
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16:37<frank>there's /etc/manpath.config
16:37<dondelelcaro>nexx_: no, there are multiple directories... why do you want to configure MANPATH in the first place?
16:37<nexx_>i just want to know where i can manually put some manual pages
16:38<nexx_>more /etc/manpath.config is what i need
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16:38<dondelelcaro>/usr/local/share/man or /usr/local/man is where you should put them.
16:38<dondelelcaro>manpath will show you what the current list of directories is
16:39<dondelelcaro>(though odds are if you're actually installing some sort of application that includes manpages, you should be making a Debian package out of it, not just manually installing them.)
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16:39<nexx_>its a really simple program i think
16:39<nexx_>shouldn't be a problem
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16:39<dondelelcaro>the point isn't really the simplicity of the program; it's really so you can remove it and/or upgrade it later.
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16:40<dondelelcaro>petemc: it's e
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16:47<withy>fmz veelho
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16:47<Thotter>Hello. My WindowMaker installation doesn't seem to have any default keybindings. Is this normal?
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16:51<t0nedef>ok, does anyone know how i can save my alsa settings to whatever i set them to last instead of mute on boot up?
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16:53<t0nedef>i guess not
16:53<t0nedef>very well... back to searching
16:53<stew>t0nedef: alsactl store
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16:54<t0nedef>stew: may you have many good days and trouble never come your way. *grin*
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16:56<dli>t0nedef, alsa-utils should do that auto
16:57<dli>t0nedef, check whether alsa-utils is enabled by update-rc.d
16:57<t0nedef>dli: i know, but it doesn't for some reason, prolly i misconfigured somewhere
16:58<t0nedef>dli: it might have helped if i had remembered to install alsa-utils
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16:58<dli>t0nedef, you should have alsa-utils to store the alsa-settings at shutdown
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17:00<t0nedef>dli: thank you, i know that, but like an idiot, i forgot, and i was looking for the manual way to do it, and found out when i tried it that it didn't work because i forgot to install the tools... now i'm smacking myself in the head for wasting everyones time
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17:37<helmut>Hi. Does someone know a provider (maybe paid?) for debbugs or a similar bug tracking system?
17:38<dli>helmut, I guess the one debian uses must be free :)
17:38<lupine>trac ?
17:38<lupine>it's quite a handy little system
17:38<helmut>lupine: can I do everything via mail?
17:38<lupine>It's more a wiki format. I dunno whether it has a mail interface
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17:39<helmut>dli: yes, I thought about also maintaining my software in debian, just to be able to use the bts, because it rocks. ;-)
17:39<helmut>lupine: I'm specifically looking for a mail-based bts (provider).
17:40<helmut>a decentralized bts might also be interesting, but I haven't seen one in action.
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17:45<salah>Hello. How do I deactivate speedstepping?
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17:46<helmut>salah: the package cpufrequtils contains a tool for setting the governor.
17:46<helmut>salah: you may want to set the governor to performance.
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17:47<dli>salah, why do you want to do that?
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17:49<helmut>dli: there are tons of reasons like make a jack audio system stop stuttering.
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17:53<salah>Excuse me, my computer turned off again. How do I set the frequency to max?
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17:54<salah>Can you please hurry up, since it will turn off very soon if I don't change it again :)
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17:54<dli>salah, do you have overheating problem?
17:54<koollman>mmm .. why would it turn off if frequency is low ?
17:55<koollman>usually, it's the inverse problem
17:55<salah>dli, yes. the laptop gets very hot
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17:55<koollman>setting frequency to the max will increase heat ...
17:55<salah>when the computer turns off, I see somethng like Celeron speedstepping is not supported
17:56<dli>salah, try the opposite first, set it to minimum speed first
17:56<salah>kollman, it should work well with max. frequency?
17:56<salah>dli, how do I do that?
17:56<koollman>it should 'just work'. is it a custom kernel ?
17:56<dli>salah, apt-get install cpufrequtils
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17:57<salah>no, it's a default ubuntu 7.04 kernel, Linux acer 2.6.20-16-386 #2
17:57<salah>dli, yes, it is installed, but I do not know how to use the command :-)
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17:57<dli>salah, cpufreq-set -g powersave
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17:58<dli>salah, after that, set your governor in /etc/default/cpufrequtils
17:58<salah>I get an error: "wrong, unknown or unhandled CPU?"
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17:58<helmut>salah: maybe you need? modprobe speedstep-centrino
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17:59<koollman>salah: I think frequency is not your problem
17:59<salah>helmut, I have a AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 CPU, not Intel :)
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17:59<dli>salah, it's not celeron
17:59<helmut>salah: your message above about celeron speedstepping was misleading then.
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18:00<salah>koollman, well, the computer gets unusually very hot
18:00<dli>salah, keep good air flow, first
18:00<salah>helmut, I might be, I don't know how the kernel says that I have a celeron processor :)
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18:01<dli>salah, cat /proc/cpuinfo
18:01<salah>dli, the air is very good, my other computer have a 32 celcius when it's on the load, and that's with the default cooler
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18:02<dli>salah, just make sure there's space for air flow underneath
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18:02<salah>dli, yes, the cooling is not a problem, it's the ACPI I think
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18:03<salah>so I might configure my ACPI first
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18:05<nico>is it possible to shrink partitions of an encrypted LVM ?
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18:05<lupine>nico: can't see why not
18:05<lupine>you'll need to resize the contained fs first, mind - which can usually only be done offline
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18:05<salah>dli, maybe I should try upgrading my kernel to AMD64?
18:05<nico>dunno, found some articles via google saying they could only grow, and others saying they could grow and shrink
18:06<lupine>it depends on the filesystem
18:06<dli>salah, no, you can not simply upgrade the kernel, the whole system can either be 32 or 64
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18:06<lupine>the encryption layer itself should be transparent to the resizing tools
18:06<salah>dli, so I need to reinstall ubuntu?
18:07<dli>salah, this is #debian
18:07<nico>lupine, any idea where i can find info about what FS types can be shrinked?
18:07<salah>sorry :)
18:07<dli>nico, ext3/reiserfs/ntfs
18:07<stew>salah: there is likely a kernel that is better suited for your CPU that you could install without reinstalling, but you should be asking #ubuntu on, not here
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18:09<salah>stew, I will do, thanks :)
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18:09<salah>dli, is there anywhere I can see the error log to see what is causing this turn-off all the time?
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18:10<UK-Toker>hello peeps, does anyone SSH to their debian box from M$Windoze using putty, coz i have a small anoyance.
18:10<dli>salah, it's clearly overheating thing, since you can feel it's hot, you may want hardware support instead
18:10<salah>dli, that might be
18:10<dli>UK-Toker, yes, I use putty to do that
18:10<salah>anyways, I will try to reinstall with ubuntu amd64 and check out after that
18:10<salah>thank you for your cooperation
18:11<xbc>i wonder how to get a list of all non-free packages installed on my system - how to do this?
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18:11<nico__>is there a "best practice" regarding the partitioning? single partition? separate /home, /usr, /var, /tmp ?
18:11<dli>why do #ubuntu people like #debian so much :(
18:11<UK-Toker>dli, cool, do u get stange ansi charactes when using aptitude or mindnight commander?
18:11<lupine>because they all know debian is better? ;)
18:11<gravity>From many accounts, #ubuntu is not the most knowledgeable channel around
18:12<lupine>nico__: best practice depends on what you intend to be doing with the filesystem
18:12<dli>UK-Toker, no, I usually putty to read email, no strange characters ever
18:12<nico__>lupine, write stuff on it
18:12<lupine>if you're not a fan of backups, and don't have a clue about your probable data allocations, then one big partition would work best
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18:13[~]lupine has a seperate /boot, as he's using LVM, and a seperate /home as it's full of media that doesn't really need backing up
18:13<nico__>it's for a notebook
18:13<UK-Toker>oks.. no probs. thanks any hows dli.
18:13<lupine>that is irrelevent ;)
18:13<dli>nico__, I use one big partition, since it's easier for me
18:13<lupine>I also have about 3 different / partitions, for different distros
18:14<nico__>ubuntu? :o)
18:14<L>hi all
18:14<xbc>i still wonder how to get a list of all non-free packages installed on my system :)
18:14<lupine>nah. Debian, debian, and upcoming gentoo or something similar
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18:18<L>åñòü ðóññêîÿçû÷íûå? =)
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18:21<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
18:21<lupine>UTF-8 ftw, btw
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18:34<schue>Anybody know their way around clustered LVM?
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18:44<neo_>does anyone in here have any experience with Etch and Sun Ultra 60? I am wondering if there is a patch or something to get the sound working
18:44<streuner>!tell J1G abou away
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18:45<blarson>neo_: I'm running sid on an ultra-60, but havn't bothered with sound.
18:45<blarson>neo_: #debian-sparc is more likly to have sparc people to answer.
18:45<streuner>!tell J1G about away
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18:48<jacob>can somebody help me install a driver for my wireless?
18:49<J1G>streuner, thanks for the info but this is not an auto-away of my irc client feature, i've set it manually... but ok.. now i'll goin' to remove it
18:49[~]J1G is back (gone 00:06:11)
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18:49<jacob>can somebody help me install a driver for my wireless, anyone?
18:50<streuner>hm, there isnt prolly an awaysmite, i should create one :-)
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18:51<J1G>what do you mean with 'prolly' ?!
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18:52<jacob>so nobody knows how to install a driver for my wireless?
18:52<lupine>would help if you said what your wireless was
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18:53<J1G>thanks lupine now i got it!
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18:54<streuner>!listkeys awaysmite
18:54<dpkg>Factoid search of 'awaysmite' by key returned no results.
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18:54<J1G>bed time incoming for me, bye!
18:54<jacob>lupine BCM4310
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18:55<lupine>supported by the bcm43xx kernel module
18:55<lupine>all you need to do is put the broadcom firmware into /lib/firmware
18:55<dpkg>from memory, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see, or <bcm43xx>
18:55<lupine>woah, that's olde
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18:56<dpkg>bcm43xx is, like, the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2., or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>
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18:56<dpkg>hmm... bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool used to extract firmware from BCM43xx driver files. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package will optionally download, extract and install this firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). This package is in <contrib>.
18:56<lupine>(sorry about the spmming)
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18:59<jacob>dpkg can you walk through the process?
18:59<lupine>dpkg is a bot
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19:00<lupine>just apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter if you're in lenny (I guess)
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19:00<lupine>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
19:00<dpkg>"apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply "No" when asked to fetch and install firmware. "cd /lib/firmware && wget && bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta- && rm wl_apsta-". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
19:00<lupine>for etch
19:02<jacob>lupine, that didn't work
19:02<jacob>lupine oh
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19:03<jacob>lupine the first two steps didn't work
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19:06<jacob>i think i'm going back to ubuntu
19:06<lupine>well, off you trot
19:07<jacob>lupine the command "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" didn't work
19:07<weasel>!doesn't work
19:07<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
19:07<weasel>surely it gave you an error message?
19:07<lupine>does it say the package doesn't exist?
19:07<jacob>sorry it says the package could not be found
19:08<lupine>so you don't have the contrib repo enabled?
19:08<jacob>this is my first time with debian, so i assume it's a no
19:08<lupine>well, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add it
19:08<lupine>apt-get update; go again
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19:10<jacob>after doing "apt-get update" and re-sending the command "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" it didn't work again same error message
19:11<lupine>as you can see, the package exists
19:11<lupine>try skipping step 1
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19:12<jacob>wait brb
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19:14<jacob>lupine be a bit more specific please, what is after step 1?...sorry it's that is my first time
19:15<lupine>step 1 is apt-get remove --purge. Step 2 is apt-get install
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19:16<jacob>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. <== I get the following response
19:16<weasel>remove just removes if it's installed
19:16<weasel>if it's not installed then all is well, move on
19:17<lupine>/sigh/. Pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy bcm43xx-fwcutter", and the contents of your sources.list
19:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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19:23<lupine>You didn't include the sources.list, but it's fairly obvious you didn't follow my instructions
19:23<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
19:23<lupine>do it, already
19:24<jacob>sorry, i don't know what's the next step
19:25<lupine>After you've added the contrib package repository - a trivial procedure - it's apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
19:25<jacob>how do i contrib package repository -a?
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19:27<jacob>i still don't know what to do
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19:27<lupine>ok, try this. run the command 'sed -i s/main /main contrib / /etc/apt/sources.list'
19:27<lupine>then apt-get update. then apt-get install
19:27<lupine>also: read some documentation about basic debian administration
19:28<jacob>ok done
19:28<jacob>i entered the last 3 commands
19:28<lupine>I give up
19:29<lupine>you entered, literally, apt-get install... didn't you?
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19:29<lupine>What package have you been trying to install?
19:29<lupine>so what do you suppose you should do next?
19:30<jacob>it couldn't find the package
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19:30<lupine>You fail. Pastebin the file: /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:31<lupine>I'll make the changes for you, and you can copy them over the old file
19:31<lupine>christ on a furfag, this is embarrasing
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19:32<jacob>it's not found in the synaptic package manager, either
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19:32<lupine>That's because you /still/ haven't enabled the contrib repository
19:33<jacob>i don't know how to do that
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19:34<lupine>I've told you how three times, and I've offered to do the modifications for you
19:36<jacob>i did everything you told me to do, in fact, i'll tripple check for you
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19:37<lupine>[01:29] <lupine> You fail. Pastebin the file: /etc/apt/sources.list
19:37<lupine>I don't see a link in my backlog
19:39<lupine>you wouldn't think adding a 7-character word to a file would take 2/12 pages of backlog
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19:45<lupine>well. that was a complete waste of time
19:46<neo_>does anyone have any ideas on where I need to start looking to get my sound working in X? I have an Sun Ultra 60 running Etch
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19:47<lupine>neo_: do you have any ALSA modules loaded? (snd_*)
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19:49<lupine>PM == lodr
19:50<lupine>X is irrelevent
19:50<lupine>just "lsmod |grep snd" and see if you have any modules loaded
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19:51<neo_>sure dont
19:51<neo_>or rather it just did not return anything
19:51<lupine>so you don't have any sound modules loaded. Are you using the debian stock kernel?
19:51<lupine>(uname -r)
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19:54<lupine>sounds like a stock kernel; so you don't have modules for your soundcard installed. It's possible the soundcard isn't supported
19:54<lupine>find out the soundcard model using lspci
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19:54<lupine>(it should be marked as a Multimedia audio controller, if it's in the pciid database)
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19:55<neo_>it did not show up
19:55<neo_>I know it works under SLOW-aris.... but you may be right about the support
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19:55<lupine>ok, do lspci -nn and search the unidentified pciids (the xxxx:xxxx numbers) to see which is a soundcard
19:56<neo_>I honestly dont even remember if it worked on my older Ultra 1
19:56<lupine>but if it's not in the pciid database, support is unlikely
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19:56<neo_>its not there
19:56<nico__>any idea how to modify the password for disk encryption ?
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19:57<neo_>I guess I just need to wait
19:57<neo_>thanks for the help
19:58<MxStyleZ>Hey guys im new user to Debian and im looking for a unrar application graphical for this version 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 31 23:51:05 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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20:00<lupine>MxStyleZ: kernel version is irrelevent. If you install unrar or unrar-free, any graphical extraction application should be able to handle .rar files
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20:00<lupine>(In KDE, you'd use Ark; not sure about GNOME)
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20:00<MxStyleZ>yeah im using gnome atm never really liked kde =/
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20:01<lupine>whatever graphical application you use for .tar.gz files
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20:01<lupine>after installing unrar, it'll be able to work with .rar files
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20:02<MxStyleZ>i understand that but the only unrar i could find is compilation
20:02<MxStyleZ>and i have absolutly no idea how to proceed :D
20:02<lupine>it's in the repositories
20:02<dpkg>unrar is probably a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
20:02<MxStyleZ>Noob For the Loose :P
20:02<dpkg>it has been said that unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0).
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20:03<lupine>Please tell me you know how to install packages; and how to add the non-free repository; or at least that you're able to read? :)
20:04<MxStyleZ>yeah exactky dpkg
20:04<lupine>no... apt-get
20:04<lupine>or aptitute. or synaptic. or adept.
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20:04<lupine>dpkg is stupidly low-level.
20:04<MxStyleZ>yeah i am able to read but in the readme.txt there is no explaination how to compile .c
20:04<dpkg>well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
20:05<MxStyleZ>he might be dpkg> it has been said that unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0
20:05<lupine>!non-free sources
20:05<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
20:05<JuanCraft>has someone here install apache2 with tomcat5.5?
20:05<MxStyleZ>but hes right about unrar-free
20:05<lupine>do that; then run apt-get update followed by apt-get install unrar
20:05<MxStyleZ>itsnt handling 3.0+ rar files
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20:06<MxStyleZ>i will try that lupine thx a bunch :)
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20:08<MxStyleZ>lupine, mind if i past 2 line of my sources.list in here?
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20:16<lupine>they should end main contrib non-free
20:16<lupine>if they do, no need to paste them
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20:24<whooptedoo>On a debian platform, which should I invest my time learning: python or ruby? I have a vague idea about using a good OO language for system admin tasks instead of bash.
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20:26<lupine>whooptedoo: whichever you prefer. Ruby claims superiority over python, but it's a bit of a headfsck
20:27<whooptedoo>lupine: do you use one or the other? I have no preference as I am new to both
20:28<lupine>I never touch python. It has whitespace-as-syntax. I rarely touch ruby. It has headfsck properties
20:28<lupine>I mostly just use bash
20:28<whooptedoo>lupine: learning a language is a big time investment Id like to get it right at the beginning. Why Bash?
20:28<lupine>well, zsh
20:28<lupine>it's quick and dirty
20:28<lupine>but it does what I want it to
20:29<whooptedoo>lupine: but what about handy features of a "proper" language like Object orientation and libraries etc
20:29<lupine>for quick sysadmin tools and tasks, it simply isn't necessary
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20:32<whooptedoo>lupine: What does headfsck actually mean? I gather it is a negative term
20:32<DanDare>hello there. I have Sarge installed and running and i use webmin on it. A despite of all the cons of using webmin some of you guys know some alternative to Webmin that works on Etch?
20:32<lupine>not necessarily negative
20:32<lupine>just... difficult to get your head around, at times
20:33<whooptedoo>lupine: believe it or not i can't find definition on google or wikipedia
20:33<lupine>hehe. Results 1 - 10 of about 23 for headfsck
20:34<whooptedoo>finding the definition is a bit of a headfsck
20:34<whooptedoo>maybe its recursively defined
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20:36<peterrooney>whooptedoo: perl? works well for sysadmin scripts, and has OO available ( i've never used its OO features personally)
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20:37<whooptedoo>peterrooney: perl looks awful, compared to python there is so much punctuation (){} etc
20:38<peterrooney>drat, i cycled. anyways, if perl is too much to learn, awk beats hell for quick and dirty.
20:38<peterrooney>whooptedoo: the punctuation is a BENEFIT of perl.
20:39<peterrooney>imagine my previous lines without any of {the of a is}
20:39<whooptedoo>is there any preference on debian? Any one language preferred by developers and used in common scripts?
20:39<peterrooney>whooptedoo: /bin/sh
20:39<lupine>none, really
20:40<whooptedoo>ok. but isn't that just a historical thing to use bash? arent python and perl the next great thing?
20:40<peterrooney>/bin/sh can point at pretty much any shell. bash, zsk, pdksh, busybox even.
20:40<lupine>"the next best thing" is usually bad
20:40<DanDare>im runnin debian sarge on a Pentium 1-166Mhz its all fine. I can expect same good result if i install etch?
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20:41<chealer>DanDare: clock doesn't matter. RAM and ROM do.
20:41<whooptedoo>For someone pretty new to the whole business, I need to invest time in the right area. So you guys are recommending bash to the exclusion of python and ruby?
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20:41<DanDare>ok chealer thanks
20:41<lupine>shell scripts are perfectly adequate for just about anything on a sysadmin area
20:41<lupine>whooptedoo: if you wanted, say, web-based sysadmin... then perl, or ruby, would be a good investment
20:41<DanDare>there´s any webmin alternative that i can use in etch?
20:41<peterrooney>whooptedoo: well.... as soon as perl (or python) gets a full posix spec like sh has...
20:42<chealer>whooptedoo: no
20:42<whooptedoo>lupine: now you're talking... so ruby you reckon?
20:42<lupine>if you can get your head around it, why not
20:42<lupine>MxStyleZ: No PMs. Pleas.
20:43<lupine>anyway, my bedtiem
20:43<whooptedoo>lupine: thanks for your advice. Sorry to be so persistant but Im gonna spend HOURS on this so it pays to make a good choice
20:43<jagerman>Why would a language without any noticeable derivatives need a POSIX spec?
20:43<nico__>how can you see the mapping between the device mapper names and the devices?
20:44<lupine>If I were you, I'd spend some time reviewing the different languages and making my own choice
20:44<lupine>remember, I mostly dislike python simply because it uses whitespace as syntax
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20:45<whooptedoo>lupine: yeah I have but I thought Id meet some clued up guys here who might steer me in the right direction
20:45<jagerman>I hold a grudge against ruby for its characters-are-8-bytes assumption
20:45<lupine>we hardly know your requirements, whooptedoo
20:45<jagerman>err, s/-8//
20:46<jagerman>whooptedoo: Isn't that sort of like asking "what's the best car?"
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20:47<whooptedoo>lupine: want a general purpose language that I can use for sysadmin tasks, web apps, solving life's little problems. Im lazy so I want to learn 1 language to do it all.
20:47<jagerman>Or, even better, what's a better tool to buy, a screwdriver or a hammer?
20:47<lupine>no such thing as a general-purpose language
20:47<DanDare>a hammer
20:47<lupine>You could learn C++ - that does everything you want
20:47<jagerman>DanDare obviously has a destructive bent :)
20:47<jagerman>whooptedoo: Perl, of course.
20:47<DanDare>not really
20:47<lupine>some things (like web apps) would require a bit more effort than others, though
20:48<gravity>Learn several so that you don't have to fight with these issues. Then you get to fight with which one to choose when starting a project
20:48<lupine>TBH, learning the first programming language is difficult. the second, third or subsequent ones are easy
20:48<gravity>(unless the second or third is radically different)
20:48<lupine>even then
20:49<gravity>Dude, learning haskell has been about as hard for me as learning C. Maybe more so.
20:49<lupine>well. I wan't thinking /that/ different
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20:49<jagerman>If you pick something really wacked out for the first one--say bash, with full arrays and all the other stuff it tries to do, the second and third will be like a breath of fresh air.
20:49<whooptedoo>I have already some c and java but ruby and python are getting rave reviews
20:49<jagerman>Like moving from Gentoo to Debian :)
20:49<lupine>That'd be like switching from VB to Lisp
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20:49<gravity>whooptedoo: Both are very nice languages
20:50<lupine>I've found a new method of torture
20:50<jagerman>Perl is underappreciated :(
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20:50[~]gravity is waiting for perl 6 before going after it again
20:50<jagerman>Or maybe just underheralded
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20:50<jagerman>You're going to be waiting a good long while.
20:51<whooptedoo>damn.... I came for advice and can't get any concrete reasons for choosing one language over another. Same result as spending ages on google. I think I may put names in a hat and pick winner.
20:51<gravity>jagerman: True, but I don't think there's a compelling reason outside of CPAN to use perl 5
20:51<gravity>whooptedoo: What are you going to be writing?
20:51<chealer>!start a language war
20:51<dpkg>Pascal is more readable than Haskell
20:51<jagerman>gravity: I disagree, but I'd imagine we have very different experience levels with it.
20:51<gravity>It can be, but haskell is very pretty :-)
20:51<lupine>Larry Wall is Frankenstein on crack cocaine. "It compiles! IT COMPILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
20:52<whooptedoo>oh dear ive started something......
20:52<gravity>jagerman: Fair enough. I gave up when I learned that the object system was... well... the perl 5 object system. I loved it until then.
20:52<lupine>just learn them all. it's the best way
20:52<gravity>jagerman: Moose looks very promising though
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20:53<gravity> might actually get me to try out perl again
20:53<lupine>pascal ftw, of course. It's nice to see dpkg agrees with me
20:53<chealer>gravity: isn't perl 6 like...
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20:54<jagerman>Perl's OO has never particularly bothered me.
20:54<gravity>chealer: Nah. X11R7 isn't in the works at all. You can play with perl6 if you aptitude install pugs
20:54<gravity>er... wait... that was fucking retarded
20:54<gravity>chealer: You mean X12?
20:54<gravity>X11R7 is now
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20:54<chealer>gravity: hahaha
20:55<lupine>surely you mean Y?
20:55<chealer>gravity: were your kidding?
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20:55<gravity>chealer: Brain fart. I just assumed you meant X12
20:55<lupine> -- I'm waiting on Y Windows 0.3
20:55<jagerman>Pugs is not perl6
20:55<gravity>Most people do when they talk about vaporware in X
20:55<chealer>gravity: hehehe. I was going to say something like "wait, X12"
20:56<gravity>lupine: Keep waiting
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20:56<lupine>the project does appear to have lost some momentum
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20:57<jagerman>I'm worried perl6 as a whole is losing momentum.
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20:58<jagerman>Especially with various p6 features being brought into 5.10
20:58<gravity>They set an insanely high bar for perl6
20:58<nico__>anyone using disk encryption?
20:58<gravity>Tons of new features, on a new runtime, implemented in the language itself, possibly on a virtual machine that didn't exist at all
20:59<nico__>any idea how to check which partitions are actually encrypted?
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20:59<jagerman>gravity: It's a good idea, really. Look at all the crap perl is dragging along for compatibility's sake
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21:00<gravity>jagerman: I know, but it's still a high bar. Like I said, I'm excited about it.
21:00<jagerman>It's sort of transitionless though, and that hurts.
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21:01<jagerman>gravity: The bar may be *too* high
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21:02<gravity>jagerman: Yeah
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21:03<jagerman>gravity: And on that note, some things really annoy me--like changing ? : into ?? !!
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21:03<gravity>hehe, yeah I saw that
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21:03<gravity>I'm not immersed enough in the day-to-day syntax to get too worked up about it
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21:05<jdt>hi, would anyone be able to advise me - how do you permanently set a specific console font in Debian (for ALT F#).
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21:10<nictuku>hi. what is that tool to automatically apply local patches to a certain deb package whenever it's upgraded by apt?
21:11<nictuku>there is one, right?
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21:22<peterrooney>nictuku: that's just a wild guess
21:22<nictuku>yep, seems it's the one :-) thanks
21:24<peterrooney>i'm not sure if it applies patches automatically, but it is a relatively painless process (i had to use it regularly for tethereal before it became wireshark)
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21:37<mtnman>excellent, thanks. ~~
21:37<mtnman>did you hear about the socal decompression?
21:38<mtnman>3 days
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21:54<MxStyleZ>Hey guys another question, how to setup FlashPlayer on Debian x64?
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21:57<chealer>!tell MxStyleZ about flash
21:58<MxStyleZ>Oups ? :P
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21:58<MxStyleZ>nothing about it?
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22:01<MxStyleZ>thats working for 64bit Chealer?
22:01<chealer>MxStyleZ: I don't know, but apparently more or less. which Debian suite do you use?
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22:02<MxStyleZ>2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 31 23:51:05 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
22:02<MxStyleZ>the newest one.
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22:05<chealer>MxStyleZ: it doesn't seem to be available
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23:03<vod>On debian unstable, I use the nvidia drivers and xorg config "nvidia". The update 3 days ago when all the xorg packages got upgraded broke xorg for me with a message of:
23:03<vod>(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
23:04<vod>So i tried reverting to Driver "nv"
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23:04<vod>xorg starts, but withing a few moments the display is garbled and locked
23:05<vod>so I reverted to "vesa"
23:05<vod>I used to revert to the previous xorg versions yet the problem persisted
23:05<vod>has anyone reported something similar?
23:06<chealer>vod: which nvidia drivers version do you use?
23:07<vod>deb unstable
23:08<vod>Package: nvidia-kernel-source
23:08[~]dpkg farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!"
23:08<vod>Version: 100.14.11-1
23:08<Supaplex>something stinks, and it isn't dpkg
23:08<Supaplex>oh look! non-free drivers.
23:08<vod>don't taser me bro
23:09<chealer>vod: are you sure that nvidia-glx is installed?
23:09<Supaplex>it's your pile of poo :)
23:09<vod>chealer: let me double check
23:10<vod>chealer: >_>
23:10<vod>chealer: it *used to be*
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23:11<vod>chealer: It must have been removed when I updated
23:11<vod>chealer: when I try to install it, it tries to remove xorg
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23:12<dli>vod, what version of xserver-xorg?
23:13<vod>Version: 1:7.3+2
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23:14<vod>i've just seen on the debian-user mailing list
23:14<vod>that someone else is experiencing the same problem
23:14<vod>however there is no solution posted, only someone saying they cannot dupe it
23:14<dli>!tell vod about sid
23:15<tct>so I just need to edit the the sudoers file so I can run sudo as an ordinary user. anyone know what line I need to add if the user I want to be able to execute sudo is "default"
23:15<vod>dli: tell me what?
23:16<dli>tct, add a line: default ALL=(ALL) ALL
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23:17<tct>I was wondering if that wouldnt just make me root
23:17<tct>which would defeat the purpose of having a sudo command
23:17<dli>vod, you can use sid or ask support from channel, not both
23:18<dli>tct, man sudo
23:19<vod>dli: When was this policy started?
23:19<dli>vod, it's not really a policy, but the nature of "sid", probably, none can fixes it for you
23:20<vod>if you shoo away users from sid, who will be the testers?
23:20<dli>vod, up to now, xorg-7.3 doesn't get support from proprietary drivers, be it ati or nvidia
23:20<vod>so just say that next time
23:20<vod>because I can now use and just revert to the old xorg
23:20<chealer>dli: nvidia is supposed to support it
23:20<stew>vod: did you check the bts?
23:21<dli>chealer, so, can you fix it for him?
23:21<chealer>dli: if he's unable to, yes
23:22<stew>vod: /msg dpkg bts
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23:23<chealer>vod: we don't shoo away users from sid, it's just strange that you need help with such an easy problem if you run unstable.
23:24<vod>stew: Oh cool there's a bugtracking system now!
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23:25<vod>well, it's not exactly an easy problem if i'm getting different answers
23:25<vod>this guy is telling me xorg 7.3 doesn't even work with the drivers which seems to be incorrect
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23:26<chealer>vod: having multiple solutions doesn't make the problem harder
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23:28<vod>i don't think that saying 'it won't work with your hardware' classifies as a solution
23:28<vod>either way thanks for the help it looks like that's all the help i'm going to get since the conversation is getting side-tracked into calling me a noob
23:30<chealer>vod: we're not calling you a noob. you just don't look like someone for whom unstable is an optimal suite.
23:30<vod>so everyone who started using unstable was proficient from the start?
23:31<chealer>vod: nobody sane starts using unstable
23:32<gravity>vod: The X server upgrade incremented the ABI that the server uses to talk to the drivers. All the open drivers had to be rebuilt for that ABI. The proprietary nvidia driver needed to be the same. That release just came today from nvidia, and the debian packages are forthcoming
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23:32<gravity>vod: So you should just downgrade your X server and drivers to the versions in etch until the updated nvidia-glx is available
23:32<vod>gravity: Thanks!!!
23:33<gravity>vod: You're welcome
23:33<gravity>vod: For future reference, this is a common thing with Xorg upgrades
23:33<vod>yeah I've been away from debian for a couple of years
23:33<gravity>vod: For the open drivers, Debian can handle them. We can't do a thing about the proprietary drivers.
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23:34<solar_ant>hi all
23:35<vod>gravity: yeah. I'm not happy that nvidia doesn't open up it's drivers. I actually talked to one of their hackers at the time of their prop. drivers first release
23:35<gravity>vod: Well, there's hope for the future with AMD
23:36<gravity>And nouveau is still chugging along as well
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23:36<vod>gravity: the people within nvidia who develop the drivers want them open from the start
23:36<vod>or at least did at release time
23:37<vod>management wouldn't allow it
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23:38<tct>when I run the program visudo how do i save the changes and exit?
23:43<jdt>hi, does anyone know how to set/change the console font in Debian? I get an error "set_kernel_font: Invalid argument" when trying to use consolechars to set it?
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23:46<boss>hi there..
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23:46<gravity>vod: Yeah, that's what I've heard more or less
23:48<tct>seriously I cant figure out how I am supposed to exit it
23:51<chealer>tct: if it's vim, ":wq"
23:51<vod>cheers thanks. Going to fix it. bbttyl.
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23:56<boss>I am a new newbie in debian.I have found one strange thing.When i am giving #init S from terminal inside the genome all of them starts malfunctioning.system gets hang,why?
23:58<tct><chealer> the person who wrote that program should be shot for such a stupid way to save an exit
23:58<tct>or atleast take a class in userfriendlyness
23:59<dli>tct, press "Esc", then ":wq!" to save changes, or ":q!" to abandon changes
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