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---Logopened Fri Sep 21 00:00:03 2007
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00:00<hachi>request_firmware is throwing an error of -2, but I can't find anything in the kernel docs about what -2 is... firmware.h dosen't say anything, reading firmware.c now
00:02<dli>hachi, you didn't installed the package, have a look at /lib/firmware/ , you don't have the files there, just reinstall the package
00:02<manphiz>hachi, what's your `ls /lib/firmware`?
00:02<hachi>hachi@miyako:~$ ls /lib/firmware/
00:02<hachi>dli: there is no package for the firmware, I did a bunch of apt-cache searches and never found anything
00:02<hachi>so I downloaded the firmware manually and extracted it there, per the kernel instructions
00:02<dli>hachi, do this: " mv /lib/firmware/ipw2200/* /lib/firmware/"
00:03<manphiz>hachi, yea, that's the problem. You should put everything in ipw2200 directly under /lib/firmware, but not that subdir.
00:03<dli>hachi, because, it's under the category: non-free!
00:03<hachi>I have non-free included, I see no packages
00:03<dli>hachi, you should " apt-get update"?
00:03<hachi>I have non-free from testing, unstable, and experimental all included
00:03<hachi>did that hours ago
00:04<dli>hachi, no, better to have testing only
00:04<manphiz>there's no ipw2200 related thing in apt, even non-free
00:04<manphiz>in sid, at least
00:05<manphiz>seems ipw2200 firmware can only be fetched from :(
00:05<hachi>gee, wow... so I read the docs and did the right thing
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00:09<manphiz>Why remove older gcc release for lenny? They are really helpful for testing compatibility across several gcc release. Why so?
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00:10<dli>manphiz, 4.2 only now?
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00:10<manphiz>dli, not yet. but at least gcc-2.95.4 and gcc272 has been removed already.
00:13<dli>manphiz: makes sense, transition time to gcc-3 has been history for long
00:13<dli>manphiz, I think transition to gcc-4 is already done
00:15<manphiz>dli, yea I know. but it's unnecessary to remove them. What if someone want to backport something to sarge, but gcc-3.3 has been removed? Also, libstdc++5 still has its own reason to stay
00:16<dli>manphiz: then, the user can manually build it, if it builds at all for gcc-2 or gcc-3
00:18<manphiz>dli, well, that's not as easy as a simple apt command, though it has a solution after all :)
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00:23<dli>manphiz, the new gcc-4.2 has openmp support, is there a chance to get parallel support for all packages (whenever possible)?
00:23<dli>manphiz, or, still nothing happens upstream
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00:25<manphiz>dli, Seems not until all packages utilize this feature. Correct me if I was wrong :)
00:26<dli>manphiz, yes, that depends upstream, but debian can choose to enable the feature or not
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00:32<sini>quick question -- is there a package that'd be an easy way to get automake, autoconf, all the various gcc compilers and whatnot?
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01:12<padski>I keep trying to learn aptitude. but I always seem to end up playing minesweeper instead :-)
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01:19<Vakio>What is there to learn? u, U, g, g
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01:20<klys>I think if you read the man page and understand the config file, you know aptitude
01:21<padski>as it goes, I'm after finishing an upgrade to lenny. I have only 50MB of disk space to play with and I'd like to keep most of what I have.
01:22<padski>although I obviously need to slim it down a bit :-)
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01:24<sep>padski, or clean your apt cache
01:24<padski>there are some 600MB of packages to install, so an option that handles this particular problem would be the ticket
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01:25<padski>sep, done already.
01:26<sep>mount some storage > add some storage > clean your homedir > or get rid of packages.. in that order :)
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01:27<toupeira>how do you install all the "default" packages, i.e. the ones installed when you choose "default installation" during setup
01:28<toupeira>there doesn't seem to be a task for that
01:29<chuy_max>is there an app to encrypt a file and later restore it with a key so only I can view it?
01:29<chuy_max>toupeira tasksel?
01:30<toupeira>chuy_max: hmm... when i run it now it doesn't show the "default system" task
01:30<padski>yeah. its a good thought. I have a GB flash stick I'm not using for anything. but its just a workaround. I really want that upgrade to go through in something close to the minimum peak disk usage. It can't be that hard :-)
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01:32<padski>its a big lump of storage you have to keep lying around to run an upgrade through in one go.
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01:33<toupeira>ah sorry, the task is called "standard system" in english
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01:40<alexei>can you help whis dmraid?
01:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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01:53<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wizardservice kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
01:53<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wizardservice kernel: sdb: rw=0, want=1209308940, limit=625142448
01:53<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:48 wizardservice kernel: sr 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x08000002
01:54<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wizardservice kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
01:54<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wizardservice kernel: sdb: rw=0, want=1209308940, limit=625142448
01:54<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:48 wizardservice kernel: sr 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x08000002
01:54<alexei>sorry :(
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01:58<alexei>i have problem with dmraid: in log-
01:59<alexei>Sep 21 10:04:27 wi kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
01:59<alexei>Sep 21 10:04:27 wi kernel: sdb: rw=0, want=1209308736, limit=625142448
01:59<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wi kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
01:59<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:36 wi kernel: sdb: rw=0, want=1209308940, limit=625142448
01:59<alexei>Sep 21 11:47:48 wi kernel: sr 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x08000002
01:59<alexei>and so some times :(
01:59<alexei>my system - etch r1, on nvidia Raid0 :(
01:59<alexei>what to do to see NTFS part on drive?
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01:59[~]Vakio knows nothing about that.
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02:07<ncode>Debian vs Ubuntu ??
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02:13<alexei>why not?
02:14<ncode>user interface ??
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02:17<Vakio>ncode: it depends on your needs.
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02:18<BlackDex>hello there i have a problem with updating/removeing/reinstalling a package
02:19<BlackDex>when i want to install mydns-mysql i get the following error's
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02:19<BlackDex>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
02:19<BlackDex>Creating database...
02:19<BlackDex>mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
02:19<BlackDex>error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
02:19<BlackDex>dpkg: error processing mydns-mysql (--configure):
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02:19<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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02:20<BlackDex>sorry :$
02:20<ncode>user desktop ?
02:21<BlackDex>no server
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02:21<ncode>who programs on c
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02:23<jeffsteez>hi, i wonder if someone can help a linux beginner? I'm trying to perform a wget command via ssh on a remote server. I'm getting the message "wget unrecognized option '--http-password=mypassword'"
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02:23<jeffsteez>i've read that older versions of wget dont support that swith
02:24<ncode>first read doc
02:24<ncode>man wget
02:24<padski>jeffsteez: yeah, what version of wget
02:24<chealer>ncode: many people program in C
02:24<padski>jeffsteez: wget --version
02:24<jm_>wget --help will list it if it knows about it
02:25<ncode>chaler: where i can fin a good info for start programming on c
02:25<ncode>[sorry for my english
02:25<padski>jeffsteez: --password=
02:25<padski>ncode: k&r
02:25<jeffsteez>thanks, I've looked at that manual - I'm pretty sure i need to upgrade my version of wget
02:26<Vakio>jeffsteez: what version do you have, then?
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02:26<ncode>k&r ?
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02:27<ncode>The C Programming Language (sometimes referred to as K&R)
02:27<jeffsteez>i did an atp-get update, then apt-get upgrade 'wget*'
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02:28<chealer>ncode: ask ##c on freenode
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02:28<ncode>k thx
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02:29<jm_>jeffsteez: apt-get upgrade doesn't take extra arguments
02:29<jeffsteez>i think i've found the issue.....
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02:32<jeffsteez>i'm trying to install a freehosting script called layeredpanel... it's designed to use --http-password= whereas my wget requires --http-passwd=
02:33<jeffsteez>isthere any (easy) way to change my wget to support that format
02:33<jm_>as opposed to changing the script?
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02:33<jeffsteez>well i can change the script in the pl file
02:33<jeffsteez>but I have a feeling therer will be lots of wgets later in the installation
02:34<jeffsteez>in other files...
02:34<jeffsteez>it is designed to install w whole debian sub environment+apache/php/mysql etc
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02:45<padski>could you do something with alias ???
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02:46<jm_>shell script maybe
02:46<padski>jeffsteez: find & replace the script
02:47<jm_>wouldn't be hard to modify source code either, but I suppose he wouldn't be asking if there's an easy way if he knew how
02:47<padski>and what will break next
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02:48<jeffsteez>i'll find and replace if it comes to it, it's just I believe that some of the files that are wget'd are pl files that themselves contain more wgets
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02:49<padski>jeffsteez: or upgrade your wget
02:49<jeffsteez>so it will be a pain to findandreplace at multiple stages
02:50<padski>jeffsteez: its not that one change that would worry me. it is how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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02:51<padski>still, you either hack at it, or you go around :-)
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02:51<niru>is there any server admin here
02:51<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
02:51<niru>For keeping a repository in sync with debian
02:52<niru>I need to ask some queries
02:52<padski>back in a while
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02:52<niru>server admin ping
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02:52<jeffsteez>how do i upgrade just wget? the system wide upgrade didn't upgrade it and I cant find specifici instructioins for getting just wget upgraded (and could it e assued it would use the different http-passwd attribut?)
02:53<jeffsteez>It will be easier just for me to contact the programmer i reckon
02:53<dli>jeffsteez, apt-get update;apt-get -f install wget
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02:53<jeffsteez>ok thanks, I'll try
02:53<jm_>if upgrade didn't do it then install won't either
02:54<jm_>!simple sid backport
02:54<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
02:54<niru>when we sync my server to debian server for example:gnome 2.18 is present in my server so if I sync to debian does it take gnome 2.20 and remove 2.18 or 2.18 and gnome2.20 will both be available
02:55[~]gcosmin morning
02:56<ifvoid>niru: I don't really understand what you're trying to do
02:56<ifvoid>niru: just syncing the repository of available packages?
02:56<ifvoid>or syncing which packages are installed on a system?
02:56<lubos>I want to start xterm when user foobar logs in using xdm... /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup is run as a root I would like to run it as user footbar.. thank you
02:57<jm_>lubos: you can do such things via ~/.xsession
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02:57<niru>ifvoid, If I sync then will the lower version opacakge remain or they get update to the latest one
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02:58<lubos>jm_: .xsession in foobars direcotry? if doeas not exists I need to create it?
02:58<ifvoid>niru: sync what exacrly?
02:58<ifvoid>niru: please explain what you are trying to do
02:58<niru>ifvoid, I am asking for the memory space
02:59<niru>ifvoid, sync to debian repo to make my repo updated to debian repo
02:59<ifvoid>memory space?
02:59<ifvoid>are you using the mirror script?
02:59<niru>ifvoid, yes
02:59<ifvoid>or just a plain rsync?
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03:00<niru>ifvoid, I have not yet used any script to sync but now going to do
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03:00<ifvoid>anyway, the mirror script will make you own repository identical to the one on the server
03:00<niru>ifvoid, ok
03:00<ifvoid>so if a package is deleted on the mirror, it will also be deleted locally
03:00<niru>ifvoid, so it all depends on the server from where I am mirroring
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03:01<ifvoid>but the mirrors (if they are working correctly) always should have the proper evrsions of packages
03:01<jm_>lubos: yes create it, and don't forget to start session manager last in it
03:01<ifvoid>only old versions are removed
03:02<niru>ifvoid, so how much should be my server capacity
03:02<lubos>jm_: thank you...
03:02<niru>ifvoid, not only for present day for at least 2 years
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03:03<niru>ifvoid, as you have told I guess the size may flicker
03:03<niru>ifvoid, if debian server has deleted a package that will be deleted here too
03:03<ifvoid>niru: depends on which parts of the repository you are mirroring
03:03<ifvoid>niru: yes
03:04<niru>ifvoid, free,non-free and contrib all
03:04<ifvoid>and all architectures?
03:04<ifvoid>and stable, unstable an testing?
03:05<ifvoid>and sources?
03:05<niru>ifvoid, unstable,all architectures and sources
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03:06<lubos>jm_: session manager you mean xdm...
03:06<ifvoid>that would take something like 13 times 20GB
03:06<ifvoid>for the current archive
03:06<ifvoid>but of course, its' growing
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03:07<niru>ifvoid, so for minimum 2 years if I keep a space of 300 GB will it do
03:07<ifvoid>niru: I'm not sure if it's possible to mirror only unstable though
03:07<niru>ifvoid, or I will face any space problems
03:07<ifvoid>and the entire thing is 275GB atm
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03:08<ifvoid>niru: sounds a bit small
03:08<niru>ifvoid, why its not possible to mirror unstable only
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03:08<niru>ifvoid, for 2 yeras
03:08<ifvoid>niru: because the packages are mixed in the pool
03:08<niru>ifvoid, I did not get
03:09<ifvoid> for example contains the packages for oldstable, stbale, testing and unstabel in the same place
03:10<ifvoid>it's hard to sync only the ones for unstabel
03:10<niru>ifvoid, oh then what can i do
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03:11<ifvoid>just mirror the entire thing, if you can spare the space and bandwidth
03:11<ifvoid>why do you need a local mirror, btw?
03:11<ifvoid>the entire archive is 272GB atm
03:11<ifvoid>so that should fit on your disk
03:11<niru>ifvoid, we are developing indian OS based on debian
03:12<ifvoid>ah, nice
03:12<niru>ifvoid, we are released two versions till now but we havn't synced our repo to debian server for getting latest update
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03:12<ifvoid>niru: ah, someone in another channel is telling me that is _is_ possibel to mirror unstable only
03:12<niru>ifvoid, and also everytime till will become a rework for us to download all the packages using debmirror command form debian and getting the text version
03:12<ifvoid>niru: using debmirror
03:13<niru>ifvoid, yes debmirror
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03:13<ifvoid>so then you coul mirror only unstable
03:13<niru>v use debmirror for getting the repo,ifvoid
03:13<ifvoid>that should fix the space problems
03:13<niru>ifvoid, so can i go ahead with 275 GB space for all arch.
03:14<niru>ifvoid, and till how many years need not worry about spcae
03:14<ifvoid>just unstable is less then 275GB
03:14<ifvoid>maybe ~200GB or so (rough guess)
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03:15<niru>ifvoid, you are guessing for how many years that will not give any problwem?
03:15<ifvoid>I'm nnote sure
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03:15<ifvoid>I would _think_ that 300Gb should be fine for the next couple of years
03:15<ifvoid>but I'm not sure
03:16<klys>save your money, you might need a replacement
03:16<ifvoid>anyway, harddrives aren't terribly expensive these days
03:16<niru>ifvoid, yup
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03:21<lubos>jm_: ok... got it... took me a while but I have it ... thanks again
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03:24<mjk>Does anyone happen to know how I can ungrab the mouse in Wine during runtime? (Yes, I've asked in #winehq/freenode to no avail :-}
03:28<jeffsteez>It seems the --http-password switch in wget has changed from http-passwd to http-password. Does anyone know which version stopped supporting http-passwd or how to find out?
03:29<chealer>jeffsteez: did you check the changelog?
03:29<jm_>it onl mentions passwd, not password
03:30<jeffsteez>looking now
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03:30<jeffsteez>this pagesuggeststhat change:
03:30<BlackDex>I have a problem with 'apt-get install' when installing mydns-mysql.
03:30<BlackDex>It gives me an error about mysqladmin not having root access :S
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03:31<jeffsteez>any my version doesn't recognise http-passwd
03:32<BlackDex>this also prevents me from configureing mydns using the right way with dpkg instead of manualy editing the mydns.conf
03:32<BlackDex>and apt-get keeps telling that there is a package not installed correctly
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03:35<sheldonh>jeffsteez: the changelog refers to NEWS. see /usr/share/doc/wget/NEWS.gz
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03:36<sheldonh>BlackDex: i'm not much of a mysql guru, but perhaps you could supply the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
03:37<BlackDex>hm ill check :)
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03:37<sheldonh>BlackDex: mind you, the file clearly says "DO NOT TOUCH!", which suggests that "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-common" might do something interesting
03:37<sheldonh>BlackDex: it would be interesting to see what google turns up
03:38<jeffsteez>hmm, how do i read that file? i get permission denied if i execut it, and nothing readable with nano
03:38<jeffsteez>sorry if thats a dumb q
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03:39<jm_>jeffsteez: with a pager/editor
03:40<jeffsteez>is that not what nano is?
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03:41<Vakio>jeffsteez: maybe you (or sheldonh) made a typo in the filename?
03:42<jm_>can nano decompress files on the fly?
03:42<jeffsteez>ah, yes i guess its compressed
03:42<BlackDex>sheldonh: i tryed reconfigure of mysql-server-5.0 which gave me an window to set the root password, but this didn't worked
03:43<Vakio>Oh, readable in that way. I thought you got an empty file.
03:43<jm_>vim can, less can
03:43<padski>jm_, looks like it will display garbage when opening a .gz. vim is a proper editor ;-)
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03:50<sheldonh>BlackDex: sorry. like i said, i'm not much of a mysql guy. i think it's rubbish compared with postgresql, so i only use it when i have to
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03:51<niru>Is there any VB and VC++ equivalent in Linux
03:51<padski>niru, depends what you mean by equivalent
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03:52<jeffsteez>ok, i managed to get into the news file, nothing specific about the http password change
03:52<jm_>jeffsteez: there is
03:52<niru>padski, like how we have for graphics Photoshop we have maya I think somethink similar
03:52<jm_>specifically under Changes in Wget 1.10.
03:53<jeffsteez>ah, i didn't realise you could movethrouh the doc
03:53<padski>niru, you want an IDE or a language ?
03:53<jeffsteez>i see it now
03:53<niru>padski, both ide and language
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03:54<padski>niru, vim and gcc :-)
03:54<niru>padski, for vb and vc++ I am asking not for c
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03:54<niru>padski, I am seeing something called gambas
03:54<padski>niru, see the debian tag browser
03:55<niru>padski, where
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04:01<padski>niru, language-wise, perhaps python or java or c# ?
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04:02<BlackDex>is there any way to figure out wich root password dpkg uses??
04:02<BlackDex>for connecting to mysql
04:03<jm_>when doing what?
04:03<BlackDex>installing mydns-mysql
04:03<sheldonh>BlackDex: i would have thought the one in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
04:03<BlackDex>i can't change that password i think
04:03<BlackDex>its encrypted in the file
04:04<jm_>it uses debconf database
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04:10<BlackDex>hmm i think i found something
04:10<BlackDex>Can i edit the file "/var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat" manualy ?
04:10<BlackDex>or is there some configure command for this ?
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04:14<sheldonh>BlackDex: there are a few things that look pertinent to your situation in here: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz
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04:14<BlackDex>well i found out that there are old passwords in the passwords.dat file from debconf
04:15<BlackDex>but i wonder how i can modify them
04:15<BlackDex>just edit the file, or use a configure command
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04:17<jm_>do not edit the file, dpkg-reconfigure manages it
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04:17<sheldonh>BlackDex: i urge you to read README.Debian
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04:18<jm_>BlackDex: did you even set the password for mysql?
04:18<BlackDex>well, i changed the passwords for the root user etc..
04:18<BlackDex>but the old passwords are still in the passwords.dat file
04:18<jm_>for mysql root user?
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04:18<BlackDex>jm_: yes
04:19<jm_>BlackDex: ok then you need to read that file ;)
04:19<sheldonh>you see passwords in /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat? interesting. i don't
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04:21<sheldonh>hmm, the README.Debian gives isnecure advice (exposing the mysql root password on the command line)
04:22<sheldonh>of course, i don't think mysqladmin offers a secure method :)
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04:27<lubos>I start to applications with ~/.Xclients one is xterm and another is webrowser. Web browser covers xterm so I can not see it. How do I make xterm in front? thanks
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04:29<jm_>doesn't it allow you to set env var for the password?
04:29<jm_>it does -- MYSQL_PWD
04:30<jm_>lubos: start it after browser is up
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04:31<lubos>jm_: I did but it does not help... :-(
04:31<jm_>lubos: yeah browser probably takes some time, so something like this shall help: sleep 6 && xterm &
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04:31<lubos>jm_: let me try..
04:32<jm_>alternatively if your wm supports options that can help with this, such as layers, use that
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04:34<DTE>hi all
04:34<DTE>i have some problem with eth bonding
04:35<DTE>i made a mode 0 bonding and it seems to work (all links aare up)
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04:35<DTE>but if i ping to the other host, i receive only 50% of packets
04:36<BlackDex>Yay Fixed :D
04:36<lubos>jm_: dude how come you know everythink...:-) you are right I'm trying to start firefox and it asks this restore questions...hope there is way to disable it..
04:36<jm_>lubos: restore session thing?
04:37<BlackDex>first i edited /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat manually, and removed the mydns-mysql lines
04:37<BlackDex>after that i started /usr/share/debconf/
04:37<lubos>jm_: yes...
04:37<lubos>I need to customize it ...
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04:38<BlackDex>it then printed something about unneeded or missing mydns templates
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04:38<lubos>jm_: wehn you start firefox it askeed you if you want to restore session..
04:38<jm_>lubos: hmm not sure about that, looks lik ~/.mozilla/firefox/.../sessionstore.js
04:38<BlackDex>i run apt-get install --reinstall mydns-mysql
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04:38<BlackDex>and i got an password screen to input the root password for mysql and the password for the mydns database :)
04:38<yujin>there is an error in "/mnt/doc/ARM2410.iso /mnt/armiso iso9660 iocharset=utf8 0 0" of fstab,how to correct it ,please
04:38<lubos>jm_: yes probabli remove it every tome would help..
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04:39<BlackDex>thx for pointing me in the right direction
04:39<BlackDex>thx for you help ppl :)
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04:52<seanius>jm_: setting env vars for passwords isn't any more secure than passing it on the cmdline
04:52<seanius>or not much anyway
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04:53<jm_>seanius: you're in the same shit with everything in the end
04:53<seanius>the method i recommend is to create a permissions 600 .cnf file
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04:54<seanius>and place the password in there
04:54<seanius>then mysqlfoo --extra-defaults-file=secret.cnf
04:54<seanius>or was it --defaults-extra-file
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04:55<seanius>that, at least, prevents unprivileged 3rd parties on the system from getting the information
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04:56<seanius>this is how the mysql init script does its root-level permissions stuff, as does dbconfig-common when it sets up databases
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04:59<sheldonh>jm_: setting the password with an environment is no more secure
04:59<sheldonh>jm_: in fact, given that mysqladmin tries to mung its cmdline early, the environmental approach is less secure
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05:09<yujin> /clear
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05:17<jm_>sheldonh: it's the same as storing it in a file ...
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05:17<jm_>plus mangling command line doesn't work on all platforms
05:17<sheldonh>jm_: no. the environments of processes on debian hosts are, by default, visible to all users
05:18<sheldonh>jm_: i'm not suggesting that the command-line approach is secure. they're both insecure :)
05:18<jm_>sheldonh: not on my system they aren't
05:18<sheldonh>jm_: we're talking about a Debian.README, not a jm_Debian.README :)
05:19<jm_>sheldonh: I am not sure where you're getting at - this isn't about /proc/<pid>/environ then?
05:19<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm, hang on, i may be smoking crack...
05:20<sheldonh>jm_: yup, crack. confused linux ps with bsd ps
05:20<jm_>sheldonh: how do they differ?
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05:21<yujin>what is the mean of this line in profile "if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then", or what is id of 0?
05:21<sheldonh>jm_: linux ps uses the /proc filesystem, while bsd ps doesn't. so the careful limiting of permissions on /proc/pid/environ in linux protects process envars
05:21<jm_>sheldonh: ahh right
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05:21<jm_>yujin: run "id" as root
05:22<jm_>or id -u if you want
05:23<sheldonh>jm_: so now, of course, the problem is getting the password into the envar in a secure fashion :)
05:23<jm_>sheldonh: indeed, so in the end you're in the same ballpark
05:23<sheldonh>jm_: there's no working around stupid applications :)
05:24<jm_>sheldonh: well it does have password prompt too ;)
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05:26<sheldonh>jm_: the README should recommend that, then. i'll make bug at some point. but now, lunch :)
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05:26<jm_>sheldonh: ahh MySQL documentation at least outlines security issues with each method
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05:30<seanius>jm_: sheldonh : it's not the same as storing it in a file
05:30<padski>seanius, isn't it ;-)
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05:32<mikkie>id like to delete files which were made by ftpusers by a superuser
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05:32<mikkie>which group should be?
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05:32<seanius>storing in a file limits permissions to those who can read the file, which can be restricted to root (or >= the user if created by user)
05:32<simonrvn>i always use the prompt, better than having it in a file...
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05:33<jm_>seanius: yes and your point is?
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05:33<mikkie>the thing is that the user who copies it to ftp doesnt care
05:33<seanius>whereas *anyone* can read the cmdline or env
05:34<jm_>again, not everyone can read environment
05:34<seanius>mikkie: different conversation
05:34<mikkie>can someone help me?
05:35<seanius>on what system are exported environment variables not user visible?
05:35<padski>simonrvn, unless there is someone looking over your shoulder ;-)
05:35<mikkie>users store on my ftp server automaticaly chmod 644
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05:36<simonrvn>padski: then they should be chased away ;)
05:36<jm_>the point is that they you can't see environment of aprocess started by another user
05:36<mikkie>I want to make an super ftp user with i can manage the whole space (selete rename etc)
05:36<simonrvn>mikkie: yes but nothing stops you from chmod'ing it
05:36<mikkie>only as root?
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05:36<simonrvn>unless the admin is stupid and blocks it
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05:37<padski>simonrvn, nevertheless you grant that physical entry of authentication tokens is an area of weakness. keyloggers, observation, etc.
05:37<jm_>let's not forget mind readers!
05:37<simonrvn>padski: yeh, there's always a weakness somewhere
05:37<simonrvn>hehehe jm_
05:37<padski>jm_, TEMPEST
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05:37<padski>nearly as good
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05:38<simonrvn>it's minimising that weakness that helps a lot
05:38<padski>fortunately my room is lined with tin foil ;-)
05:38<mikkie>simonrvn : so only by using root?
05:38<simonrvn>tin foil accentuates the energy btw, it doesn't block it
05:38<simonrvn>try it on a tv with an antenna some time
05:39<padski>that is disinformation, to put you off the scent
05:39<simonrvn>mikkie: what's root have to do with this?
05:39<mikkie>simonrvn : cant i set a superuser to do so?
05:39<simonrvn>to chmod something? why?
05:40<simonrvn>padski: then i suggest you do the experiment
05:40<mikkie>simonrvn : because I´m not the user who made the file
05:40<mikkie>only user made file can edit
05:40<padski>simonrvn, no! nothe experiment! anything but that! arrgghhh ...
05:40<mikkie>also chmod
05:40<simonrvn>you can still read it. so?
05:40<simonrvn>cp it to ~/ then edit ;p
05:40<seanius>mikkie: if you can configure your ftp server's umask you can make the files group-writable
05:41<seanius>and then set teh group sgid bit on the directories, and the files will be created with the owner of the directory
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05:41<simonrvn>ok, enough time wasted
05:41<seanius>mikkie: depends on the ftp server i imagine, there's usually some setting with umask in its name
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05:43<mikkie>set 022
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05:43<seanius>jm_: huh... for some reason i thought it was possible to get at other users' environment variables. apparently i'm mis-remembering
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05:44<jm_>seanius: yeah, in that case such approach would be absolutely as useful as using command-line to specify it
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05:44<seanius>i guess the env is still more likely to show up in a core file though
05:45<jm_>yeah you'll get environ array in there
05:45<seanius>but i think it's splitting hairs at that point
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05:45<seanius>mikkie: try setting that to 002
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05:45<mikkie>i gues
05:46<seanius>and then chgrp the directory to some group that you want to use for adminning the files
05:46<seanius>and then chmod g+s that directory
05:46<jm_>mikkie: is this for local users?
05:46<seanius>and restart the ftp server
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05:49<mikkie>chmod set now to 664
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05:49<mikkie>but doesnt let me...
05:49<mikkie>but should
05:50<mikkie>the superuser is in group 1002 and 1004
05:50<mikkie>could be that the problem?
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05:53<mikkie>the folder is set to 770
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05:53<mikkie>jm_ : not only
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05:57<yujin>i have installed scim,but how to start it,please?
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05:58<bcochofel>Hi, how can I check what where the compile options of the postgresql deb for debian?
05:59<seanius>bcochofel: i don't know if the postgres binaries record thsi, but you could always look at debian/rules in the source package
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05:59<seanius>bcochofel: or look at the build logs by digging through
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06:00<seanius>mikkie: the folder should be set to 2770 probably
06:00<bcochofel>seanius: ok, thx
06:00<seanius>(the 2 is the g+s)
06:01<seanius>mikkie: this will fix the permissions for anyone uploading files to the server, but it doesn't fix the problem if local users put files in this directory but have their umasks set differently
06:01<mikkie>i wrote "chmod g+s ftpusr"
06:01<mikkie>ftpusr is the folder
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06:03<mikkie>drwxrwsrwx 5 ftpusr ftpusr 4096 Sep 21 10:46 ftpusr
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06:05<bcochofel>on sarge how can I get the release info? I know that's debian 3.1 but I need to know what's the R
06:06<mikkie>seanius : drwxrwsrwx 5 ftpusr ftpusr 4096 Sep 21 10:46 ftpusr
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06:07<seanius>and now if you upload a file it should be at least permissions 660 and group owned by ftpusr then
06:07<jm_>bcochofel: R?
06:07<bcochofel>jm_: release
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06:08<jm_>bcochofel: /msg dpkg debian version
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06:09<bcochofel>jm_: that only gives me 3.1 not the R#
06:09<jm_>bcochofel: in that case you'll have to deduce it from versions installed on the system
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06:11<bcochofel>jm_: ok, thx
06:12<mikkie>seanius : NO
06:12<mikkie>no it doesnt
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06:14<mikkie>how can i check groups?
06:14<mikkie>but i think that they are allright
06:15<seanius>you need to be more specific
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06:16<mikkie>they are same group
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06:16<mikkie>and chmod set 664 but doesnt work
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06:17<mikkie>ls -la
06:18<seanius>mikkie: that's not the same directotry, that's a subdirectory and it's owned by a different group
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06:20<seanius>try chgrp -R ftpusr /share/htdocs/ftpuser
06:21<seanius>and a chmod -R g+w /share/htdocs/ftpusr
06:21<mikkie>chgrp: cannot access `/share/htdocs/ftpuser': No such file or directory
06:21<seanius>i think you can figure that problem out
06:22<seanius>and if you have more subdirectories besides fotoflo you'll need to update them to have g+s too
06:23<seanius>i.e. find /share/htdocs/ftpusr -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod g+s
06:23<seanius>i.e. find /share/htdocs/ftpusr -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod g+s
06:23<seanius>i mean -type d, not -type f
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06:23<seanius>i have a bandage on my finger, that's my excuse
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06:27<mikkie>but where write group?
06:27<mikkie>right would be 1004
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06:36<seanius>mikkie: more clear/specific please
06:36<seanius>or maybe try in if this is too frustrating for you :)
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06:48<eye345>hi there
06:48<eye345>someone can show me a screenshot of his nice windows manager?
06:49<eye345>i would like to see a nice beautifull manager instead of grey once
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06:52<eye345>is there an applet that makes the desktop icons 3d?
06:52<eye345>it thought it was something that begins with a b
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06:59<seanius>are you thinking of beryl ?
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07:07<smoke>guys, I have the amsn in a folder, whats the command to install ?
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07:08<seanius>teh what?
07:09<seanius>what's an amsn?
07:09<eye345>i think beryl
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07:12<smoke>seanius I downloaded last version but I dont know the command to install it
07:13<eye345>look in the readme
07:13<seanius>smoke: oh, that's a package?
07:14<seanius>doesn't "apt-get install amsn" do the trick for you, or do you need a version from >= testing?
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07:14<smoke>seanius I type apt-get install amsn but when I run, tell me something about a new version is available, so I get the last version
07:15<seanius>that sounds like an annoying program
07:15<DTE>i have many problem with there someboding using it with two cards?
07:17<seanius>by "last version" do you mean another deb package frm debian, or another deb package from the author, or a tarball from the other, or...?
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07:20<smoke>I dont know.. when I run the amsn just show a warning ..
07:20<smoke>about the last version... I think I have to update it the version I installed, so I get the last version from the site
07:21<mas187>can anyone tell my why tightvnc "freezes" after a couple of minutes? I run the server on this debian box 1.2.9 and connect with the client from a XP box using 1.3.9 throught lan
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07:22<smoke>nice, so I dont need to update...
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07:26<smoke>ty guys
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07:36<cire>hi, when running powertop on my laptop (Centrino with Pentium-M 1.86 GHz) I can only see C0, C1 and C2 as C-states. Shouldn't there be more (C3 and/or C4??)
07:37<eye345>c4 will explode
07:38<cire>hopefully not ;)
07:38<eye345>u talking about patittions?
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07:39<cire>no, I am talking about my processor's C-States
07:40<cire>how may I find out the architecture of my processor? I do not mean X86, I mean those names like Dothan and so on...
07:40<jm_>cat /proc/cpuinfo
07:40<jm_>then thee's cpuid
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07:42<domi>I have a problem when i want to upgrade Debian Etch. Package "kdebase" is keep. Why?
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07:48<mas187>how should I start a gnome session in a vnc startup script?
07:48<jm_>!start gnome
07:48<dpkg>methinks starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession
07:48<mas187>thank you
07:50<domi>Anyone have this problem upgrading kdebase?
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07:52<gsimmons_>domi: I'll assume this is about DSA-1376. Use "apt-get dist-upgrade".
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07:55<domi>gsimmons_: thank you very mach.
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07:58<eye345>i now want to install beryl and debian anyone has this already?
07:58<mas187>!start xfce
07:58<eye345>thats another window manager isnt it
07:59<mas187>it wasnt meant to be an answer to your question
07:59<maxamillion>eye345: beryl is dead and no longer developed, you should look into running compiz fusion
07:59<maxamillion>xfce is NOT a window manager
07:59<eye345>ah ok
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07:59<mas187>well its a desktop evoironment
08:00<maxamillion>xfce is a desktop environment, its window manager is called xfwm4
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08:00<eye345>so cool
08:00<eye345>bettter then vista
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08:02<maxamillion>eye345: what blows my mind is that not only are its 3d capabilities more so than vista, but its also about 4 times as fast
08:02<eye345>so it eats less memory?
08:03<maxamillion>eye345: oh yeah ... i think last time i ran beryl it took about 30-40mb more ram than when i ran it without
08:03<eye345>i thought u use compiz
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08:03<maxamillion>granted i had the latest nvidia drivers so alot of stuff was offloaded to the graphics card ... but still, the performance gain is awesome
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08:04<eye345>i always had slackware en suse
08:04<eye345>debian is kind of slackware ?
08:04<maxamillion>eye345: no ... i actually use openbox, but i have used beryl and compiz but beryl has quit and joined back with compiz and are now called "compiz fusion"
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08:04<maxamillion>eye345: no, debian is its own distribution of linux ... one of the original 4
08:05<eye345>can u pm me a fast ftp server to download it :)
08:05<maxamillion>eye345: to download compiz fusion?
08:05<eye345>no debian ;)
08:06<maxamillion>ohhh ... lol
08:06<maxamillion>eye345: "fast" depends on where on the globe you are sitting
08:06<eye345>i'm from the netherlands
08:06<maxamillion>oh ... hmmm....
08:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
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08:08<eye345>do i need to look in the stable folder?
08:08<maxamillion>eye345: depends which branch of debian you want to run
08:09<eye345>which one do u advice
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08:10<frank>stable, if you have to ask
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08:10<eye345>i see Debian 4.0r1, or etch
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08:11<Eulex>4.0r1 = etch = stable
08:12<eye345>what is etch?:$
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08:12<Eulex>a code name.
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08:14<eye345>21 cd
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08:14<eye345>cds of debian wtf
08:14<smoke>when we have a decent driver to ati ??? my 3d aceleration dont work and I want use beryl :T
08:14<Eulex>has the machine you're installing debian onto access to the internet?
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08:15<eye345>its a server with raid 5 harddisks
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08:15<Eulex>eye345, get the netinstaller. it contains a base system, everything else is downloaded from the net on demand.
08:16<eye345>ok thx
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08:16<shardz_ez>i just switched to debian
08:16<shardz_ez>its like a dream
08:16<shardz_ez>ill never use anything else again
08:16<Eulex>smoke, what card have you got and what driver are you trying to use?
08:17<smoke>now, my lnx is default, dont install a "driver" yet.. using default
08:18<Eulex>smoke, get fglrx; nothing else will (currently) be able to get you 3d acceleration
08:19<smoke>hmm nice
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08:20<smoke>lets try
08:20<dpkg>[fglrx one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
08:21<shardz_ez>wow, nice one liner
08:22<smoke>lets try
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08:23<smoke>Eulex, can you see ?
08:24<Eulex>what about it?
08:24<smoke>instalation of driver
08:25<Eulex>the one-liner above should be enough.§
08:25<smoke>its not so complicated .... im a n00b you know
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08:25<Eulex>I do not recommend using aticonfig
08:25<Eulex>but taking a backup of xorg.conf might be a good idea
08:26<smoke>nice.. and this oneliner I just paste in my term and execute like root?
08:27<Eulex>yes. if you have non-free apt sources already.
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08:28<smoke>lets see
08:28<eye345>when i have installed windows and i want debian next to it
08:28<eye345>can i use the netinsatll our does it reformat my hd
08:29<Eulex>eye345, it does what you tell it to do. it can reformat the hd if you tell it to.
08:29<azeem>it can also shrink your Windows install and install Debian next to it
08:29<Eulex>it can also use unformatted space, or resize the ntfs partition to make place for a partition.
08:29<smoke>eye345, I use partition magic ;)
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08:29<eye345>does windows detect the debian our does debian install a boot manager
08:29<eye345>i have partition magic too
08:29<paniscus>hi, "easy question", if I add a line "gateway x.x.x.x" in interfaces, the route will be setted up "automatically" or I need @least a "route add" ?
08:30<gsimmons_>eye345: Regarding partitioning, see section 3.5 of the Installation Guide for more details.
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08:30<jm_>paniscus: automatically if it's OK
08:30<jm_>paniscus: automatically at boot that is
08:30<jm_>or ifup in general
08:30<Guest800>yes , you are
08:30<Eulex>eye345, it does as you tell it, but a pretty common setup is grub in the mbr which then boots both windows and linux
08:30<paniscus>ok, I try it
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08:31<paniscus>jm_: I wish because it's a remote machine
08:31<smoke>when I use oneliner
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08:31<smoke>says Couldnt find package fglrx-driver
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08:32<Eulex>eye345, you may also use windows' own boot manager to choose between windows and linux, with grub or lilo installed in the boot record of your linux partition which then boots linux.
08:32<gsimmons_>smoke: Amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include non-free sources.
08:32<Eulex>smoke, thus you do not have non-free apt sources.
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08:32<smoke>gsimmons_, ok but im noob
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08:32<Delph>oh yes, i'd forgotten what i came in for for a moment >.<
08:32<eye345>i have windows xp
08:32<eye345>i create to partitions one ext3 and 1 swap
08:33<eye345>linux will detect it
08:33<gsimmons_>!tell smoke -about non-free sources
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08:33<eye345>i install lilo to the mbr then i think its done
08:33<Eulex>eye345, you really should use grub, if there aren't any special reason you're choosing lilo
08:33<Delph>I'm looking at dillo from unstable; there's a binary package "0.8.5-4.1+b1" but the source package is only "0.8.5-4.1" -- if i (patch then) build and install the source package, it produces a package of an earlier version of it, which dpkg then thinks I should downgrade to.
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08:34<Delph>Shouldn't there be a 0.8.5-4.1+b1 source package as well?
08:34<eye345>does debian auto detect windows partition?
08:34<Delph>I've been looking on for the source and binary packages, and these really are the latest that i can see on there (as well as on the mirror that i'm using)
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08:34<Eulex>eye345, yes.
08:35<smoke>insert debian cdrom
08:36<smoke>Media change: please insert the disc labeled
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08:37<Eulex>smoke, then do so. or reconfigure apt to use internet sources.
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08:39<Eulex>smoke, if you have http or ftp sources in your sources.list, just comment out the cd-rom line. otherwise, do both that and add http or ftp lines.
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08:39<smoke>ok but, Im execute the oneline and ask for cdrom
08:40<smoke>so I have to edit sources.list and delete the cdrom line?
08:40<paniscus>jm_ : thx, It done the trick
08:40<paniscus>sry for my english :p
08:41<shardz_ez>not delete, comment out
08:41<gsimmons_>smoke: You can comment it out, by inserting a pound (#) to appear as the line's first character.
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08:43<smoke>ok says fglrx is installed
08:43<smoke>need reboot?
08:43<smoke>yes, i Think .. be right back. THANK YOU SO MUCH guys.
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08:47<smoke>Eulex, now, I got some errors
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08:48<smoke>in the software updates, "Software index is broken"
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08:49<Eulex>please do LANG=C command to get the error in english instead of translating yourself.
08:49<smoke>says software is broken!
08:50<smoke>in english, im not translating
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08:51<smoke>Software index is broken, it is impossible to install or remove any software. Please use the package manager or run "sudo apt-get install -f" in a terminal to fix this issue at first.
08:51<azeem>smoke: did you try that?
08:51<smoke>but, when I run sudo apt-get install -f" I got another error
08:51<shardz_ez>just su
08:51<zambba>which error?
08:51<azeem>then fix that error
08:52<smoke>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
08:52<shardz_ez>prolly dont have sudo configed
08:52<azeem>smoke: some other apt process is running, close/kill that
08:52<azeem>shardz_ez: no
08:52<shardz_ez>oh i see
08:52<azeem>smoke: dpkg, synaptic, aptitude
08:52<smoke>how can I know what process?
08:52<azeem>or dselect
08:52<smoke>but I reboot the machine
08:53<smoke>and I dont run any process .. manually
08:53<azeem>smoke: what does "sudo echo hi" say?
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08:54<smoke>so, what can I do?
08:54<eye345>say hi
08:55<smoke>any ideas please?
08:56<Eulex>smoke, run sudo apt-get update, see if it returns any error.
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08:57<smoke>no errors
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08:57<smoke>Reading package lists ... Done
08:57<azeem>then try apt-get -f install again
08:57<Eulex>with sudo, this time.
08:58<smoke>yeah guys, no error!! great!
08:58<azeem>without sudo is error 13, not 11
08:58<Eulex>azeem, oh
08:58<azeem>Permission denied vs. Resource temporarilly unavailable
08:58<smoke>nice, thanks .. and about the ati driver, how can I see if my 3d acel is working?
08:58<Eulex>azeem, right
08:58<azeem>smoke: glxinfo | grep direct
08:58<smoke>glxinfo ! grep direct dont work
08:58<azeem>!doesn't work
08:58<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
08:58<smoke>command not found
08:58<Eulex>smoke, |, not !
08:59<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
08:59<smoke>yeah, !
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09:01<smoke>glxinfo, command not found ... I dont have to install another things?
09:01<azeem>smoke: /msg dpkg installit
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09:02<azeem>what part is unclear?
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09:04<smoke>azeem all parts?
09:04<smoke>I dont have to install mesa-utils?
09:04<azeem>yes, you do
09:07<smoke>hm I think now is ok, lets reboot
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09:10<smoke>leets try
09:10<smoke>YES YES!
09:11<smoke>guys, u rocks!
09:11<smoke>su -
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09:18<smoke>guys, I put a line in sources.list deb ./ but when I run apt-get install beryl, bouldnt stat source package, I think the link is broken or something?? so if I remove the line, the apt-get install beryl it works?? and i'll get the last version or I have to update something?
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09:21<Eulex>smoke, basically, that repository is (1) unofficial (2) untested (3) unsupported by debian, please ask the creator of it.
09:23<smoke>hm Im reading here about how we can install AIGLX and Beryl in a Debian Forum
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09:24<azeem>smoke: AIGLX doesn't work with fglrx
09:25<smoke>hm ok
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09:25<smoke>I have only to get beryl
09:25<azeem>does beryl work without AIGLX?
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09:27<shardz_ez>debian doesnt like cdrecord ?
09:27<azeem>cdrecord doesn't like debian
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09:27<shardz_ez>what CLI burner does?
09:28<azeem>did you try wodim?
09:28<smoke>ok so I dont need put Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On" in xorg.conf
09:28<shardz_ez>will try now
09:28<Eulex>smoke, no, you need to get xgl too.
09:29<smoke>glxinfo | grep direct returns ok
09:29<azeem>smoke: it's really discouraged to use compiz/beryl with a fglrx driver
09:29<azeem>that's not enough for compiz/beryl
09:30<shardz_ez>hmm, looks like all the same args will work for wodim that i used for cdrecord
09:31<azeem>shardz_ez: that's expected, wodim is the same codebase
09:31<shardz_ez>cool beans then
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09:33<shardz_ez>wodim -sca
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09:34<shardz_ez>gotta learn how to setup scsi driver now
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09:43<shardz_ez>what does FIFO mean exatcly? :/
09:44<maxamillion>first in, first out
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09:44<maxamillion>shardz_ez: its like a line at the local market ... if you were the first one in line, then you will be the first one helped by the cashier
09:45<shardz_ez>trying to figure what i should allow as max size
09:45<shardz_ez>my box is 32mb mem, and like a 4x cdr
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09:45<shardz_ez>usually burn at 2x
09:47<shardz_ez>assuming wodim -v fs=20M -speed=2' would be ok
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09:50<shardz_ez>how can i see where a symlink points to (as in /dev/cdrw)?
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09:52<petemc>shardz_ez: ls -l or readlink
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09:59<serge>Hello! I need to burn dvd-iso, but I don't want to install k3b, as it will install many KDE libs which I need not. Please advice any other good GUI, as I'm not familiar with commandline tools to burn DVD. Thank you.
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10:00<shardz_ez>gcombust? not sure if that does dvds or not
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10:02<serge>shardz_ez: no such a package in Etch repository ...
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10:02<serge>cahoot: thank you. Let me see...
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10:03<Maulkin>gnaa: Can I help?
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10:12<cnaa>tor router ppl telling you where to look?
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10:12<smoke>bye guys, thanks for a lot of informations
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10:12<cnaa>damn... i don't know anything
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10:19<avchen>i have a problem with my ppp connection
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10:21<avchen>if i connect by "pppd connect pppcnx" or similar, there is an error message "not replacing existing default route via"
10:21<avchen>while is my default internet router
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10:23<avchen>but if i try to delete the default route it kills the ppp connection
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10:25<gnux>hi, when trying to update my etch here with aptitude dist-upgrade, it says kdebase is broken, for example it says kdebase: depends on: kappfinder (>= 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1) but 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 installed. What's wrong here?
10:25<avchen>the pppd should connect trough the normal eth0
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10:26<avchen>the defaultroute option is set
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10:27<smoke>hello again ;)
10:27<dawid>hi all
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10:28<smoke>guys, when I try to run compiz, says No composite extension .. but if I put in extensions, composite in my xorg.conf x dont runs
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10:30<isuckatlinux>what the log says
10:30<dawid>y cant i compile my 2.6.18 kernel, always come I2C files cause the error :/ (i cant disable i2c in menuconfig)
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10:33<smoke>oh beryl dont works in fglrx :T need to install xgl
10:33<isuckatlinux>there u go
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10:33<smoke>how can I uninstall fglrx?
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10:35<dawid>what causes I2C to be undeselectable in the kernel config?
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10:38<seanius>dawid: something else in the config depends on it, i don't know what
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10:39<kevinl>if you use a kernel patch in the source dir, how do you turn the patch on? This patch says you must use CONFIG_AUFS_LHASH_PATCH , but 'make' deletes that if i put it in .config
10:39<cahoot>did you actually patch the kernelsrc?
10:39<kevinl>i ran ./lhash and ./ksize in my top level dir
10:39<kevinl>and it said successfully patched
10:40<kevinl>they were shell scripts, provided by a package in lenny
10:40<avchen>oh damn
10:40<kevinl>top level source dir
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10:40<dawid>seanius: thx for re: how can i find out, i always use more or less the same config(i disable all i dont know i if i need it), and never had the problem, but i cant spot it, is there a way of scanning(using sed or sth) the sources to find the piece i dont want
10:40<avchen>i have a working connection but dont know why the packets go all through eth0 instead of ppp0
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10:43<avchen>nobody who can help me?
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10:46<zambba>man route
10:47<kevinl>that minds me, if you have multiple ethernet connections, is only you internet connected one supposed to have a default gateway?
10:47<kevinl>actually, thats a stupid question.
10:47<kevinl>nevermind :)
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10:48<padski>kevinl, nevertheless, a default gateway is just a gateway to the "default" network, which is, ie: anywhere. you can have more than one such gateway.
10:49<kevinl>ya, well I have have never tried to have 2 network connections that both need to route outside of its own subnet
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10:50<smoke>guys, anione can help me?
10:50<kevinl>with what?
10:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
10:50<smoke>Im install compiz but when I put the line "composite" in the xorg.conf, x dont starts
10:50<smoke>I already install fglrx and xgl drivers
10:51<smoke>but I dont know if I have to "select" this drivers
10:51<kevinl>its on freenode i think
10:51<Eulex>smoke, Composite doesn't work with fglrx.
10:51<avchen>mh... i have added one route like this:
10:51<avchen>route add -net netmask dev ppp0
10:51<Eulex>smoke, neither does AIGLX
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10:51<smoke>Eulex roger, I install xgl
10:51<smoke>but I dont know what driver im using :T
10:51<Eulex>smoke, then look up how to start xgl.
10:51<avchen>while is my external ip
10:51<Eulex>smoke, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:52<smoke>roger, and now?
10:52<smoke>wait a second, let me enter in gnome, is more easy
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10:52<Eulex>and go down to section device...
10:53<kevinl>what is used for, when kernel building ?
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10:54<smoke>roger, im in xorg.conf
10:54<Eulex><Eulex> and go down to section device...
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10:54<Eulex>in there is specified what driver you're using.
10:55<smoke>sucks, fglrx
10:55<Eulex>nothing else will get you 3d acceleration with an x1900.
10:55<smoke>ok, but I just run compiz
10:55<Eulex>that won't work
10:56<Eulex>you'll need to use xgl.
10:56<smoke>with any driver?
10:56<Eulex>no, with drivers that do not support aiglx
10:56<smoke>ok, so I have to install xgl .. and I have to uninstall fglrx right?
10:57<Eulex>note that you _may_ get compiz working on top of xgl with fglrx... but that there's no guarantee that it will be stable. it may work, it may also fail horribly. or fail in more subtle way.
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10:58<Eulex>and note that this is your only chance of getting compiz or beryl working.
10:58<Eulex>this is the only way for r500 and r600 cards.
10:58<spargonaut>hey folks, I'm having trouble getting a wireless pcmcia card to work, i can't seem to see my network. any suggestions?
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10:59<smoke>can you see the tutorial and tell me what is wrong? I do it 3 times and nothing :T
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10:59<Eulex>define 'nothing'
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11:00<Eulex>and note that this channel doesn't support xgl, and neither does debian. you're on your own if you try it.
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11:00<Eulex>also note that far from everyone understands brazilian.
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11:00<smoke>oh ok, my bad
11:01<rjent>greetings, I need to set a users password with a single line but passwd does not seem to do this. How can I accomplish this?
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11:02<smoke>ok Eulex so you can help me only 4 install xgl please?
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11:03<Eulex>smoke, I did it once long ago, but I don't remember that much about it. look for howtos, but remember to not try to screw up your system. if anything involves replacing stuff on your box, _do_ take backups of everything it replaces.
11:03<isuckatlinux>spargonaut is the wireless card working?
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11:03<isuckatlinux>spargonaut do you see other networks?
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11:04<Eulex>spargonaut, is there a kernel module loaded for the card?
11:04<smoke>Eulex, ok
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11:06<spargonaut>yea, the kernel module is loaded
11:06<spargonaut>and i can't see any networks
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11:07<spargonaut>i'm able to set the essid and channel on the command line, yet when i try to scan for networks with kwifi manager, it doesn't see anything
11:07<shardz_ez>dooge:/# mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
11:07<shardz_ez>mount: mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist
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11:08<Eulex>spargonaut, screw kwifi. does iwlist scanninng find anything?
11:08<smoke>Eulex, thanks for the help buddy
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11:09<juan>i need to know
11:09<spargonaut>Eulex, one sec... attempting
11:09<juan>how to configure properly my keyboard
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11:10<Guest808>because the ascii symbols dont work
11:10<Eulex>'ascii symbols'?
11:10<Guest808>im not been able to make them work
11:11<Eulex>well, which ascii symbols do you mean?
11:11<Guest808>i need the right layout for my keyboard
11:11<Eulex>and define 'work'
11:11<spargonaut>Eulex, it says "eth3 \t No scan results"
11:11<Eulex>spargonaut, what chipset? what driver?
11:12<Guest808>i tried to define a new one in the last few days but it seems that the canges were not saved properly
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11:12<Eulex>Guest808, for X, this is set on xorg.conf, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change that. for the linux console... dpkg-reconfigure console-data, I think.
11:12<spargonaut>and i built the module from rt2500 source with modula assistant
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11:13<spargonaut>Eulex, lsmod shows that its there
11:13<Guest808>dpkg-reconfigure-console-data to solve the problem, is taht right
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11:14<Eulex>spargonaut, ok, are you sure that the card is working?
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11:14<Eulex>Guest808, no, dpkg-reconfigure console-data. for the linux console. for anything inside X, you need to run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg instead.
11:14<spargonaut>Eulex, pretty sure. Its brand new. Is there something i should check to make sure that it is?
11:15<Guest808>how do i do to know the architecture* wtf is azerty, dvorak, fgGIod, etc
11:16<Guest808>i dont know which one i have
11:16<Guest808>i just wanna know where i could find that
11:16<Eulex>Guest808, by looking at your keyboard?
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11:16<Guest808>in the keyboard's surface_
11:17<Guest808>are you saying that
11:17<Eulex>Guest808, top alphabetic row should begin with qwerty if it's a qwerty keyboard. most are.
11:17<Eulex>Guest808, well, yes
11:17<seanius>dawid: try something like grep -r "depends on.*I2C" in your kernel source dir
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11:17<seanius>there's probably a matching Kconfig file
11:17<Eulex>spargonaut, no idea
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11:18<spargonaut>Eulex, ok, thanks anyway
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11:18<Guest808>there is nothing like those words at the back of my keyboard
11:18<Guest808>is there another way
11:18<Guest808>to find that information
11:18<Eulex>Guest808, not on the back, on the _front_ of it.
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11:19<Eulex>Guest808, take a look at _your_ keyboard layout by taking a look at your keyboard and how the keys are placed.
11:19<Eulex>Guest808, oh, and might help.
11:20<quasisane>this is going to get really messy if Guest808 is using a 'Das Keyboard' :)
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11:20<Guest808>i have realized that at the top row the keys are dispose formig qwerty
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11:21<Eulex>quasisane, I bet it's a standard qwerty keyboard with what layout they're usually using in argentina.
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11:21<Eulex>Guest808, right, qwerty then.
11:21<quasisane>Eulex: yep
11:21<norg>hi dudes... do anybody know why on my pc are viewed 4 CD devices? I just installed new knoppix today... so may 99% know this OS better than me :)
11:21<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
11:22<Guest808>well, now im supposed to know the distribution of my keyboard
11:22<Guest808>but argentina does not show up
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11:22<Guest808>is there any package to solve this problem_
11:22<Eulex>Guest808, shouldn't that be the same as used in spain?
11:23<Guest808>i dont know if this is an english keyboard or not
11:23<Eulex>Guest808, that is, a spanish keyboard layout?
11:23<Guest808>i have realized it is
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11:23<Guest808>then it should be ok if i just select spanish_
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11:24<Guest808>or not
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11:24<Eulex>Guest808, do you have special keys for for example ñ, ¡ and ¿?
11:24<norg>#knoppix sux... no one is on... can't help anybody? o_O
11:24<Guest808>what is the keyboard map
11:24<Eulex>norg, #knoppix on _freenode_
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11:24<Guest808>it gives me 2 options
11:24<Guest808>or standard
11:25<Eulex>choose standard.
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11:26<Guest808>now the program shut down and the following msg showed up looking for keymap to install>es
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11:27<Guest808>now what should i do, or it is already installed, im sorry but the question tag is not working either, but this is a question actually
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11:27<Eulex>Guest808, you need to restart X for the change to be applied.
11:27<Guest808>init 6, that should do it right
11:28<Guest808>what do you mean by x
11:28<Guest808>i thought you were telling me to restart the system
11:28<Guest808>what is xorg, how do i restart xorg
11:28<Eulex>oh wait, init 6 will do a reboot... yes, that would be enough.
11:29<Guest808>but anyway
11:29<Guest808>what is xorg
11:29<Eulex>but you don't need to restart if you don't want to.
11:29<Guest808>well, i dont
11:29<Guest808>i d rather reset that xorg thing
11:29<Eulex>Xorg is the software used to display stuff graphically on your system and provides foundations for a window system, drivers etc
11:30<Guest808>how do i do to reset xorg
11:30<Eulex>Guest808, if you're using xdm, gdm or kdm, you could restart it by issuing /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm restart
11:30<Eulex>also, ctrl-alt-backspace kills X, which will cause most display managers to start X again.
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11:31<norg>tsch?ss dudes :)
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11:31<smoke>need heeelp again heheh
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11:33<juan__>mmmm i have already done what you told me to, but still the keyboard ascii combinations dont work
11:33<juan__>i dont know what to do
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11:41<fxiny>higly suspicious
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11:42<rjent>which package would I install for mkpasswd
11:43<jamsblast>apt-get install mkpasswd
11:43<jamsblast>whereis all the gang?
11:44<Eulex>jamsblast, package != command
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11:44<jamsblast>i know that
11:45<Eulex>rjent, it's in the whois package.
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11:45<jamsblast>well really i dunno
11:46<rjent>Eulex: humble appreciation
11:46<Eulex>rjent, next time, use apt-file.
11:47<jamsblast>apt-file, so whats the next step
11:47<Eulex>apt-file update
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11:47<Eulex>then apt-file search filename
11:47<jamsblast>apt-file update, what exactly do?
11:47<Eulex>updates the database of apt-file.
11:47<jamsblast>apt-file search mkpasswd ?
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11:48<jamsblast>well all of us learned
11:48<rjent>Eulex: ok thx I will remember
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11:48<fxiny>we are safe : gnaa has gone ...
11:49<jamsblast>whos gnna?
11:49<Eulex>rjent, also, apt-cache search might be useful. in this case mkpasswd was mentioned in the description of the whois package, so it would have found the whois package if you had done apt-cache search mkpasswd.
11:50<jamsblast>thats the reason why i though apt-get install mkpasswd
11:50<jamsblast>does apt searh in whois package any string similar as "mkpasswd"?
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11:51<v170rx>anyone gives to me a help
11:51<Eulex>apt-get doesn't. it just installs packages with the names you have specified. in this case, there is no mkpasswd package.
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11:51<v170rx>I need more instructions about postfix
11:51<jamsblast>last time i did something like that
11:52<jamsblast>i thought that apt know that
11:52<v170rx>how I can take 2 domains in 1 server
11:52<Eulex>v170rx, try asking in #postfix on freenode.
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11:52<jamsblast>Eulex c`mon help
11:52<jamsblast>just kindin
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11:53<Eulex>jamsblast, yes, it does, but it doesn't really do a search for what you give as a term to apt-get install to find what package it's supposed to install. in any case, what you supply to apt-get is _package names_.
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11:53<jamsblast>I thought that, but now that youve explained me that
11:54<Eulex>jamsblast, while apt-cache search takes _search terms_
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11:55<kop>I don't suppose there's a debian-multimedia archive for sarge anywhere anymore?
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11:55<cahoot>aptitude suggests a possible choice
11:56<Eulex>kop, see
11:56<kop>Eulex: I did, and the faq referred me to a place where there was no sarge. :(
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11:57<isuckatlinux>does anyone know how to control video4linux? when i do lsusb -v my camera says it supports pal ntsc etc, but video4linux only let me use ntsc-m
11:57<Eulex>kop, scroll down, "For sarge (oldstable). amd64, i386 and sparc packages..."
11:57<loww>can anyone help me with qmail
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11:59<kop>Eulex: Found it. Thanks!
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12:01<jamsblast>there any kind of app such ass nmap??
12:02<Eulex>nmap is in debian, yes. in the nmap package.
12:02<jamsblast>not package
12:02<jamsblast>such ass
12:02<jamsblast>such as
12:03<kop>!tell jamsblast -about enter
12:03<Eulex>you want something similar to nmap, but which isn't nmap?
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12:03<jamsblast>thats my question
12:03<Eulex>dunno, but why doesn't nmap suite you?
12:04<jamsblast>just curiosity
12:04<jamsblast>i always work on nmap
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12:04<jamsblast>san google
12:04<jamsblast>but thats why im here
12:04<timmo>Hello, I'm after some help running a persistant X session to vnc into on a headless install
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12:05<isuckatlinux>does anyone know how to control video4linux? when i do lsusb -v my camera says it supports pal ntsc etc, but video4linux only let me use ntsc-m
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12:06<fgh>no easy way out installing nvidia drivers when running 2.6.21-2-686 ?
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12:07<jamsblast>noo nmap substitute?
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12:08<lupine>nmap defeats all competitors
12:08<r3>hello .. i booted the latest usb image of debian live but i see no install to hdd option - is there such thing ?
12:09<lupine>fgh: the easy way out is upgrading to 2.6.22
12:09<lupine>lol netcat
12:09<lupine>a very powerful tool
12:10<fxiny>yes netcat can scan , but nothing compares to nmap
12:10<cahoot>jamsblast, my bad - disregard
12:10<lupine>nmap wins for OS fingerprinting
12:11<kevinl>kernel patch.. need some help here please. The patch is provided in a lenny package, its called linux-patch-aufs. I ran the patch scripts in my kernel soruce dir and rebuilt the kernel and it boots, but the patch is still not enabled. The error says "Try using lhash patch and CONFIG_AUFS_LHASH_PATCH" .. I cannot figure out where CONFIG_AUFS_LHASH_PATCH needs to go ..
12:11<jamsblast>gotta develop another one such as nmap but better
12:11<lupine>kevinl: .config
12:11<kevinl>lupine, tried that, it says unknown keyword or symbol or sometyhing
12:12<lupine>jamsblast: good luck with that. But why not just contribute to nmap to make /iit/ better?
12:12<kevinl>and removes it from .config
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12:12<lupine>kevinl: you're sure the patch applied correctly?
12:12<fxiny>os fingerprint ? passive ? p0f was good at it , don't know if still works
12:12<kevinl>it says it did
12:12<kevinl>and its not anywhere in my menuconfig
12:12<kevinl>aufs or lhash does not grep for much
12:12<kevinl>so im not totally convinced
12:12<kevinl>these patchs are shell scripts
12:13<kevinl>that came in a debian package .. linux-patch-aufs
12:13<r3>HELLooo - is there graphical install cd of debian ? (gnome.kde.xfce)?
12:13<kevinl>ran them in top level source dir of kernel.. says successful
12:13<kevinl>r3, officially, not that i have seen
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12:14<lupine>installgui on the CD prompt
12:14<lupine>kevinl: doesn't sound like the patch has applied, but I can't help you as to why
12:15<r3>kevinl - thank You
12:15<Eulex>r3, etch cd1 contains everything necessary for installing gnome, then there are special cd1's for installing kde or xfce instead.
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12:15<r3>Eulex - i just want to install onto my hdd via graphical interface - possible?
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12:16<shardz_ez>i consider the low mem "text mode" to be "graphical"
12:16<Eulex>r3, yes, and lupine told you how. but note that the installgui isn't considered stable, you should use the text installer if in doubt.
12:16<shardz_ez>(its not command line)
12:17<r3>all right
12:17<r3>i guess its time to leave ubuntu
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12:19<fgh>lupine: But I can't 'apt-get install 2.6.22', can I?
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12:20<shardz_ez>apt-get upgrade i think
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12:20<Eulex>fgh, only in unstable
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12:21<deepak>how can we save in VI just like dch does.
12:22<Eulex>:w ?
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12:22<deepak>Eulex, no
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12:23<deepak>when you will open it removes.
12:23<daje>can any1 tell me where i can find help about luks/cryptsetup/lvm?
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12:24<Eulex>deepak, what do you mean?
12:24<sheldonh>daje: i think i used this:
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12:25<deepak>Eulex, w: does not save the fold.
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12:26<cahoot>deepak, install and run vimtutor
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12:58<c00i90wn>is it possible to configure a WPA-PSK wireless connection with just iwconfig? it's mandatory to use wpa_supplicant?
12:59<Myon>you need it
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13:00<c00i90wn>Myon: You meant that I need wpa_supplicant?
13:01<c00i90wn>Myon: thanks =)
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13:13<smoke>how can I install a rpm package?
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13:13<Myon>uh, 1) don't
13:13<Myon>2) alien
13:14<Myon>most often looking for a proper Debian package is much less painful in the long run
13:14<smoke>I already extract, but dont have permission to move the folders
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13:14<Myon>you need to be root to install stuff
13:14<smoke>roger, I as root in terminal
13:15<Myon>which program are you trying to install?
13:15<shardz_ez>you know rpms are for redhat linux right?
13:15<Myon>honestly, you have a 95% chance of seriously screwing your system
13:16<Vakio>24th August 2006?
13:16<Vakio>Why would you want to install that?
13:16<Myon>smoke: compiz is a very complex package, and given that it isn't configured for Debian, it won't work
13:16<Myon>and there is no easy way to fix that
13:16<smoke>roger.. so I get the .deb but when I try dpkg -i *.deb returns an error
13:16<ifvoid>Myon: and this particlar version is pretty old
13:16<Myon>just wait until proper Debian packages are available
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13:17<Myon>smoke: wait
13:17<Myon>there is no altervative that won't ruin your computer
13:17<Myon>(especially with your skill level)
13:17<smoke>dont matter ;)
13:17<Vakio>Doesn't Debian already have Compiz?
13:17<kevinl>i think it does
13:18<kevinl>ive seen it running on etch , it could have been source compiled though, dont know
13:18<kevinl>there are unofficial repositories for compiz etch im sure
13:18<kevinl>that you can add to apt sources
13:18<Vakio>p.d.o. says yes.
13:18<kevinl>but you can fuck your computer installing compiz whether youve got a debian package or not.
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13:18<fxiny>amazing : all updates fixed . my tx to the security team
13:19<smoke>dpkg: error processing compiz_cvs_060602-4_i386.deb (--install):
13:19<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
13:19<smoke> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/compiz/', which is also in package co mpiz-plugins
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13:21<Vakio>smoke: have you tried installing the official Debian packages? What you're doing now doesn't make much sense.
13:22<smoke>Ok, I install netinst distro ok? and now I want install compiz
13:22<smoke>but only works in XGL driver, I think
13:23<Vakio>Well, installing an ancient cvs version of Compiz won't help.
13:23<smoke>ok, so what version I have to install?
13:24<Vakio>smoke: ideally the one that Debian supplies.
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13:25<smoke>hm ok but im reaally noob and "lost"
13:25<smoke>I tryed to use fglrx driver
13:25<smoke>but dont works
13:26<smoke>3d accell works fine, but dont have support to compiz
13:26<dli>smoke, since you have ati, you'd better wait for open source driver to get aiglx
13:26<smoke> this sucks :T
13:26<dli>smoke, flgrx + xgl is unreliable at best
13:27<smoke>yeah :T
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13:27<smoke>thanks guys, need to sleep!! -s- !!
13:27<smoke>u rocks!
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13:28<ths>can someone help me with the application lazarus??
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13:30<dkr>is it dead?
13:31<Vakio>"Rapid Application Development (RAD) tool for Free Pascal"
13:31<Vakio>So, yes.
13:31<Myon>dkr: heh
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13:32<dkr>Myon: just a little biblical humor. ;)
13:33<fxiny>he wasn't dead : just a debug info :)
13:33<Vakio>But Pascal _is_ dead.
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13:45<guy>c'è qualcuno
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13:46<guy>i ned help
13:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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13:52<_2faced>howdy y'all
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13:52<_2faced>is there anyone here I can ask something about debian?
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13:54<_2faced>i have installed debian and I want to use a browser to see index.html inside /home/myusername/www
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13:54<_2faced>the only page I can reach is the one inside the root www in /var/www
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13:55<_2faced>toocmon 56 users and not one available to talk to??
13:55<_2faced>thaz fucked-up
13:56<fxiny>is not : # a2ensite default && /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
13:57<_2faced>whaz that for me fxiny?
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13:57<_2faced>and this command does what exactly
13:57<_2faced>thnx btw
13:57<silver>is this the official debian irc?
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13:58<silver>does any germans/english are here for helping me
13:58<fxiny>_2faced: man a2enmod
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13:58<silver>does any germans/english are here for helping me
13:58<_2faced>the thing is fxiny, server is running, that's not the prob, but i have a regular user and it has it's own www folder
13:59<_2faced>but that one I can not reach , could be I am typing wrong url
13:59<Nei>would someone happen to know how to get timidity as alsa sequencer working? if I use aplaymidi it sounds really broken, timidity works though :/
13:59<_2faced>reaching server i do with http://iwebserver/apache2-default/
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14:00<_2faced>but what do I type to get to user www instead of the default site under var/www?
14:00<fxiny>_2faced: your dir is public_html not /home/myusername/www . read debian provided README and docs
14:00<_2faced>does that command fix that and what do I type then to get in?
14:01<Myon>and you need to type a different URL
14:01<_2faced>so after apache2-default i type publichtml/user?
14:01<silver>Hello, i need help with my installation of debian 4th version. does anybody can help me in English/ German ??? Thank you
14:01<Myon>silver: you need to ask concrete stuff
14:01<Myon>silver: there's, btw
14:02<silver>have i go to`?
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14:02<Myon>you want /part, not /quit :)
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14:03<Vakio>silver: /join
14:03<Myon>silver: no query please
14:03<silver>okay thank you
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14:03<_2faced>sorry fxiny, i don;t seem t o get in using that url, ive tried before?
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14:03<_2faced>strike " ? "
14:04<_2faced>I know, I should read more, but somehow I aint good in keeping that in mind, I am better with pratical directions
14:04<shardz_ez>you cant expect such quick answers in irc
14:04<Myon>mkdir ~/public_html
14:05<_2faced>inside my user folder myon?
14:06<Vakio>_2faced: ~ is your home directory.
14:06<_2faced>ic thnx dude! :)
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14:07<_2faced>does it need a index.html or whatever inside that dir to see if it works like that
14:07<_2faced>of a apache reload?
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14:08<_2faced>I am a real big fat fucked-up newbie, sue me or forgive me
14:08<_2faced>I come from the apple side
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14:09<_2faced>allright, ive made a pub_html like you told me, but I still cant reach the dir from browser
14:10<_2faced>do i need to restart apache?
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14:11<fxiny>have you run as root (mind the "#" ) : # a2ensite default && /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload ?
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14:11<_2faced>when making the dir, im afraid not
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14:13<fxiny>su and run that line . theb as user type as myon already told you : http://localhost/~yourusername/
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14:13<fxiny>don't forget to drop some files on it :)
14:14<fxiny>s/type/browse to/
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14:15<ErJeDi>fxiny: how i can configure sudo??
14:15<dpkg>[visudo] how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>
14:15<ErJeDi>because sudo is bad configured on my debian etch
14:15<Eulex>ErJeDi, I don't think it's configured _at all_ by default
14:16<ErJeDi>type the comands with sudo
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14:16<ErJeDi>i type the password for root
14:16<ErJeDi>and does not work correctly
14:16<ErJeDi>does not accept my password
14:16<fxiny>of course
14:16<fxiny>so why using sudo at all ? :)
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14:16<ErJeDi>using sudo :)
14:16<ErJeDi>for commands that requires root access i simply use su
14:17<ErJeDi>instead of sudo :D
14:17<Eulex>ErJeDi, sudo is not supposed to work that way. you're supposed to input your _user's_ password
14:17<ErJeDi>how works sudo exactly??
14:17<fxiny>byt if you know root pass why using sudo ?
14:17<fxiny>think about it :)
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14:17<_2faced>sorry, but after doing it in su mode no folder appears
14:18<ErJeDi>:S _2faced
14:18<_2faced>fuck man, i have less trouble learning chinese :)
14:18<ErJeDi>no folder??
14:18<ErJeDi>it's very strange :S
14:18<_2faced>lemme try again
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14:18<fxiny>_2faced: as root just run that . then open iceweasel as user and type http://localhost/~yourREALusername/
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14:19<_2faced>is it correct it makes a www folder?
14:19<fxiny>you already have all informations
14:19<_2faced>I have no trouble with username I know what to type there
14:20<_2faced>sorry for bothering you guys
14:20<Eulex>ErJeDi, sudo command, then enter the password of the user you're currently logged in as, and sudo will run the command as root.
14:20<_2faced>but I still can;t get in
14:20<_2faced>Ill type what I did so you can see if I dod good or wrong
14:21<_2faced>1st I go su
14:21<fxiny>what icewesel shows ?
14:21<ErJeDi>Eulex: ok thanks
14:21<_2faced>2cn i go to user folder where I want to do mkdir ~/public_html
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14:21<ErJeDi>my fail is when i am typing a password for root using sudo
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14:22<ErJeDi>only the user logged password to make sudo to work with the comands as root
14:22<ErJeDi>thanks ;)
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14:22<mmg>oh man
14:22<_2faced>last # a2ensite default && /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
14:22<mmg>has everyone seen the new IPv7 draft and software kit?
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14:22<fxiny>ipv7 ?
14:22<mmg>i cannot wait until my network uses IPv7
14:23<fxiny>are we moving all to mars ?
14:23<fxiny>good !
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14:23<fxiny>this stinky planet is a bit crowded
14:23<ErJeDi>Eulex: the message is darkstar is not in the sudoers file how i can add the darkstar user??
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14:24<_2faced>"good!" was to me fxiny?
14:24<Eulex>mmg, wtf
14:24<_2faced>I figgured as much
14:25<Eulex>ErJeDi, using visudo
14:25<ErJeDi>what how i can change
14:25<ErJeDi>darkstar ALL=ALL
14:25<ErJeDi>how ?=?
14:26<Eulex>just add an entry like already exists for root, but for your user?
14:26<_2faced><----banging head against wall
14:26<_2faced><---looking for rizla's
14:27<ErJeDi>now works without password
14:27<fxiny>ErJeDi: pretty unsafe
14:27<ErJeDi>fxiny: but i don't know if sudo is working okay
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14:28<fxiny>it is . just play a bit to give your self only mount permission
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14:30<padski>slackware boxes are called darkstar :-)
14:30<_2faced>am I right by assuming that by doing "mkdir ~/public_html" it generates a www folder in user dir?
14:30<fxiny>yes , this was the first think i told ErJeDi
14:30<_2faced>so far so good
14:31<fxiny>darkstar is slack
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14:31<padski>sorry, missed that. made me grin :-)
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14:32<_2faced>then why the fuck aren't I able to browse to that goddamn dir with iceweasel??
14:33<ErJeDi>fxiny: what??
14:33<ErJeDi>darkstar is slack ??
14:33<zambba>you're not running a web server?
14:33<ErJeDi>darkstar is default machine in older slackware 3.0
14:33<chealer_>_2faced: watch your language please.
14:33<chealer_>_2faced: is userdir enabled?
14:33<ErJeDi>this was my nick for some old years
14:33<ErJeDi>but in the present i am using debian
14:33<_2faced>not that I know off, or in other words. dunno how to
14:34<_2faced>sorry for swearing, I thought it;s all adults here
14:34<Jasons>_2faced: never know and besides..
14:34<_2faced>btw god does not exist so no swearing there
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14:34<Jasons>_2faced: you sure they dont exist?
14:34<chealer_>_2faced: it's mostly adults, but swearing still doesn't help.
14:34<_2faced>it helps me often :P
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14:35<fxiny>that's right : does #a2enmod show userdir ?
14:35<_2faced>get rid of excess steam that way
14:35<fxiny>_2faced: run #a2enmod | grep --color userdir
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14:36<chealer_>_2faced: nor do religious discussions. if userdir is disabled, that's why you're not able to browse.
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14:39<_2faced>@#$%^& frigging agrevating
14:40<_2faced>I would like to learn this stuff so much, but it sometimes seems like a brick wall
14:40<Jasons>_2faced: it does indeed, however it also does get easier in time
14:40<padski>I'm learning lots of new words ;-)
14:40<_2faced>i bet
14:40<fxiny>if is not enabled aenmod it and reload apache2 again
14:41<_2faced>again... The requested URL /~steve/ was not found on this server.
14:42<fxiny>_2faced: does #a2enmod | grep --color userdir , show a "bloody" red userdir ?
14:43<padski>The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
14:43<padski>got that updating linux-sound-base and alsa-base. Am I going to die ?
14:44<chealer_>padski: updating to what version?
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14:44<_2faced>nope, no color
14:44<fxiny>padski: no music ? yes you will die :)
14:44<padski>or get written off ( *groan* )
14:44<fxiny>_2faced: so run : # a2enmod userdir && /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
14:44<chealer_>padski: which version were you upgrading from?
14:45<padski>chealer_: 1.0.14-1)
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14:45<padski>from ?
14:45<chealer_>padski: yes
14:45<chealer_>padski: oh. you're not going to die.
14:45<padski>great! :-)
14:46<_2faced>should i substitude userdir with username?
14:46<_2faced>or just as is?
14:46<chealer_>fxiny: he wrote it didn't show userdir.
14:46<fxiny>chealer_: yes : that's why i told him to a2enmod it
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14:47<fxiny>chealer_: i noticed you spotted the missing userdir before
14:47<chealer_>fxiny: wouldn't that "enable" something already enabled?
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14:48<fxiny>chealer_: grep --color should show a red userdir
14:48<_2faced>im gonna get off your backs, this is frigging frustrating
14:49<fxiny>i think i'm sleeping
14:50<_2faced>btw, no color red, all blue
14:50<padski>help! apt-get has been replaced by a doppleganger. "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required"
14:51<chealer_>fxiny: a2enmod's output doesn't seem influenced by which modules are en/disabled
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14:52<fxiny>chealer_: true , i'm sleeping : a2dismod will show what is enabled
14:54<_2faced>this is what I get in return ....> Your choices are: alias auth_basic authn_file authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_user autoindex cgi dir env mime negotiation php5 setenvif status
14:54<chealer_>_2faced: then userdir isn't enabled
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14:57<_2faced>ok, i now sit in /home/steve so what do I type to enable userdir?
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14:58<chealer>_2faced: # a2enmod userdir
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14:59<_2faced>did that and after that that reload line, still all blue
14:59<_2faced>and yes I did it from root
14:59<fxiny>reload apache
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15:00<padski>something in my upgrade is taking up an extra 50MB. I'm fairly sure it is only at most a small number of packages. how do I find them ?
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15:00<chealer>_2faced: please paste the relevant interactionon the console
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15:00<_2faced>could it be that I am thinking apache and apache2-default are the same and should install regular apache?
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15:01<_2faced>thats the thing I get no returns
15:01<_2faced>it just gives me back prompt
15:01<chealer>_2faced: show us
15:01<padski>_2faced: the apache package is the old apache 1.3
15:01<smoke>whats the command to dpkg to say in one line the installation of fglrx driver? !oneline ?
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15:01<_2faced>so I should apt-get install apache?
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15:02<_2faced>show what chealer?
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15:03<chealer>chealer: the relevant interaction on the console
15:03<_2faced>installing regular apache
15:03<Vakio>IIRC Apache 1 will be removed in the not-so-distant future.
15:03<_2faced>1.3 indeed
15:03<padski>_2faced: I can't recommend that, no. apache2 is recommended upstream and I'm fairly sure the ssame is true in debian now.
15:04<smoke>!oneline fglrx
15:05<smoke>!one-line fglrx
15:05<chealer>!tell smoke about msg the bot
15:05<fxiny>_2faced: any symlink in : ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ?
15:05<Vakio>!tell smoke about fglrx one-liner
15:06<smoke>chealer and Vakio, thanks... :)
15:06<Vakio>smoke: don't thank us, thank the bot.
15:06<_2faced>I need some gigglesmoke
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15:07<smoke>thanks everyone :)
15:07<padski>why does apt-list-bugs only tell you after you downloaded 200MB of stuff ?
15:07<stoned>smoke: hi
15:08<stoned>padski: good question
15:08<stoned>padski: i'd say because tht is how it was designed
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15:09<padski>stoned: but is it a positive design choice, or was it just working with a constraint of apt ?
15:09<stoned>padski: it would seem that the other way is more useful probably, resolve the dependencies first, fetch listchanges and listbugs and display those, BEFORE you download the packages
15:09<stoned>padski: I'm not really sure why
15:09<padski>stoned: yeah, why not ?
15:09<stoned>what do you mean?
15:09<stoned>I just don't kow
15:09<stoned>maybe a dev or someone more knowledgeable can help you
15:10<_2faced>isn't there any app that enables me to do it from GUI?
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15:10<_2faced>or is GUI swearing too? :P
15:10<padski>stoned: I've been whinging that I can't upgrade from sarge to lenny without having mountains of space, and it just occured to me that there is a reason (of sorts)
15:10<chealer>_2faced: maybe webmin lets you do that, but not with version 2 AFAIK
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15:11<fxiny>i had space problems to upgrade sarge to etxh on this small box
15:11<_2faced>running webmin
15:11<Eulex>padski, you could do it in steps
15:11<padski>chealer: webmin is primarily apache2 now I believe
15:11<Eulex>padski, upgrade a few things at a time.
15:11<stoned>apt-get autoremove autoclean clean etc. etc.
15:11<padski>Eulex: I can and do, but I fugre
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15:11<stoned>or if you use aptitude you're set alrady
15:11<chealer>padski: *has* been about 2 years since I used webmin :)
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15:12<padski>Eulex: figure those stepd out manually with dselect and it is quite labur intensive
15:12<fxiny>i remeber removing logs docs and more : a nice game indeed :)
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15:12<_2faced>latest version as for as I know
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15:13<smoke>guys, when I run the one-liner of fglrx driver, returns a error
15:13<padski>what I realise is, that you really want everything for a step downloaded before you start installing it :-)
15:13<amm>Hi! is there sameone that can help me with debian
15:13<padski>(or something like a snapshot to roll back to)
15:13<smoke>E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
15:13<padski>amm: you came to the right place ...
15:13<padski>!tell amm about anyone
15:13<smoke>I think I have to update my sources.list right?
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15:14<Eulex>!tell smoke about non-free sources
15:15<amm>ok, im gettinf an error in the apt-get update command. It tell's me that cd 1 it's not indexed. I've tried apt-cdrom add with no positive results
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15:15<smoke>the last 2 lines end with main contrib only
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15:16<smoke>not contrib non free
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15:17<padski_>smoke: non-free with hyphen
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15:18<smoke>I edit the sources.list, put non-free in the end of the lines
15:18<smoke>apt-get update
15:18<smoke>and same error, E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
15:18<amm>does anyone red my problem?
15:18<padski_>oops! there is another me. I upgraded ... :-)
15:19<padski_>amm: repeat for me please
15:19<amm>ok, im gettinf an error in the apt-get update command. It tell's me that cd 1 it's not indexed. I've tried apt-cdrom add with no positive results
15:19<chealer>amm: I red your problem, yes
15:20<amm>do you have a clue? Do you need more info?
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15:20<_2faced>rebooting , thanks again dudes for being so patient with me
15:21<chealer>amm: what's your question?
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15:22<amm>when i try apt-update it gives me an error (cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 #DVD Binary-1 20070819-11:33] etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r1%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20%23DVD%20Binary-1%2020070819-11:33_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) File or directory not found. I can't update
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15:23<padski_>smoke: there is a fglrx-driver in etch, but not later
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15:23<padski_>smoke: oops sorry that was wrong
15:24<amm>I've removed all entrys in source.list of DVD1 and indexed again with apt-cdrom add, but still no positive results
15:24<smoke>I really confused...
15:24<smoke>about the driver I have to use to use beryl
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15:25<amm>please help-me. I don't want quit Debian this time
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15:29<Eulex>smoke, did you apt-get update?
15:29<filemover>hi im having a little trouble getting my wireless network card recognized Ive installed the correct acx100 module via module-assistant and installed the chipset image for my hardware as well as including the module in /etc/modules and I still cant get it to work
15:30<smoke>Eulex, yes :T
15:30<filemover>can anyone help thnx
15:30<amm>filemover: is your card suported?
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15:30<chealer>filemover: what's the problem?
15:30<filemover>yes im sure it is
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15:31<filemover>im getting this as well FATAL: Module acx100 not found.
15:31<chealer>amm: please provide your sources.list and apt-get's full output.
15:32<filemover>from modprobe
15:32<amm>I can provide my sources.list but apt-get output is in portuguese
15:32<smoke>Eulex, what can I do??
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15:35<padski_>filemover: looks like modprobe is not finding the module
15:36<filemover>yeah i thought as much
15:36<filemover>i thought it might be because it wasnt finding the firmware images
15:36<amm>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070819-11:33]/ etch contrib main
15:36<amm>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 20070819-11:33]/ etch contrib main
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15:36<amm>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 20070819-11:33]/ etch contrib main
15:36<amm>deb etch/updates main contrib
15:36<amm>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
15:36<_2faced>wb to me
15:36<padski_>filemover: I'll assume it installed as a package and depmod got run. did you try installing it with insmod ?
15:36<Eulex>filemover, did you install the package that module-assistant created? (if you didn't use the auto-install option of it)
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15:36<_2faced>lol, all installing apache 1.3 did was screw up myy oscommerce
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15:37<filemover>i did i tried dpkg -i package
15:37<filemover>after it finished
15:37<Eulex>and what happened?
15:37<filemover>but i didnt try insmod
15:38<filemover>it said it was already installed
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15:38<_2faced>smoking some grass puts it all back in to perspective
15:38<padski_>filemover: not the package, but loading the module with insmod
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15:38<filemover>ill give it a go
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15:38<filemover>hang on
15:39<filemover>insmod: can't read 'acx100': No such file or directory
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15:41<chealer>amm: don't paste more than 3 lines here.
15:41<chealer>!tell amm about paste
15:41<Eulex>filemover, insmod takes a filename. as in acx100.ko.
15:41<amm>okx! sorry
15:41<filemover>i see
15:41<padski_>filemover: insmod /path/to/acx100.ko
15:41<chealer>amm: didn't you write you removed all entrys in source.list of DVD1?
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15:42<filemover>i was unable to find that binary but ill have a look ok
15:42<filemover>its fine
15:42<filemover>found it
15:42<amm>chealer: yes. but I've used 'apt-cdrom add' and I put back again
15:42<_2faced>how come if I change something in apache I get the question weather I want to dl or open a file with browser?
15:43<_2faced>like just now when I added apache regular
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15:43<chealer>amm: ah. please provide # LANG=C apt-get update;'s full output.
15:44<chealer>_2faced: which file?
15:44<dli>amm, my guess: comment out all entries, run apt-cdrom again :)
15:44<filemover>there is no binary there
15:44<filemover>insmod: can't read '/usr/src/modules/acx100/acx100.ko': No such file or directory
15:45<dli>filemover, modprobe acx100
15:45<Eulex>filemover, emh. suggestion to try to find the correct path to the file?
15:45<amm>dli: I've done that. Same error.
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15:45<filemover>i cant think of anywhere else the module might have been installed to
15:45<_2faced>chealer, i have oscommerce installed, and visiting it is ok, but when I fiddle around in apache ofr I install other apache, and I want to visit oscommerce site a gain it doesn;t show the page but askes weather I want to choose an app to open it
15:45<Eulex>filemover, use find or locate to look for it?
15:45<filemover>ill try and list the files in aptitude
15:46<chealer>_2faced: a PHP file?
15:46<_2faced>oscommerce is indeed php
15:46<_2faced>most of it anyway
15:46<amm>chealer: how do you want me to provide apt-get update. Do you want me to send you?
15:47<chealer>!tell amm about paster
15:47<chealer>_2faced: presumably because your apache is not setup to support PHP.
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15:48<amm>what do you mean with paster?
15:48<chealer>amm: did you read the factoid sent to you by dpkg?
15:48<_2faced>even though I have php installed ?? allthough that is under apache2-default
15:48<amm>ok. I'm reading now
15:49<chealer>_2faced: presumably, yes. setting up PHP for apache is more than installing PHP.
15:49<filemover>ive found the proglem folks at least i think anyway
15:49<filemover>the name of the module is acx.ko
15:49<_2faced>seems to me I lucked-out when installing oscommerce shop then, I didn't dig most of it, pure luck I'd say then :)
15:50<padski_>filemover: good point, I have one of those :-)
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15:50<_2faced>cause when I unistalled apache (regular) site became browseable again
15:51<filemover>ok the module is loaded
15:51<_2faced>in one way I like linux, on the other hand it seems like mental torure
15:51<filemover>ill include acx.ko in /etc/modules and see how it goes
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15:52<chealer>filemover: won't work.
15:52<padski_>filemover: its modprobe.conf these days
15:52<filemover>one sec
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15:53<Tuplad>How do I change the default file manager in Gnome ? I want to go from Nautilus to Thunar (I got Thunar installed)
15:54<chealer>amm: please paste apt-cdrom's output
15:55<filemover>i cant find a modprobe.conf file should i make one in /etc/moprobe.d
15:56<Neelix>i want to compile a c application on my debian box. Installed gcc-4.1. Does not work, what do i need more ?
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15:56<filemover>or just /etc
15:56<chealer>!tell Neelix about doesn't work
15:57<chealer>filemover: just /etc/
15:57<smoke>now glxinfo | grep direct is OK
15:57<smoke>but my amsn dont works
15:57<smoke>I already tryed uninstall and install again..
15:58<Neelix>Sorry but why <quote>!tell</qoute>. ! means not to me ?
15:59<chealer>!doesn't work
15:59<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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15:59<chealer>Neelix: you should have received the factoid via private message from dpkg
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16:00<chealer>amm: now do it with DVD-s 2 and 3
16:00<chealer>(I don't need the output)
16:00<_2faced>ooh yeah!!
16:00<_2faced>got a return
16:00<_2faced>iwebserver:/home/steve# a2enmod userdir
16:00<_2faced>Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
16:01<Neelix>Soory this is my first attemp via irc, don't know all these words yet. Besides that, my native language is Dutch. So I might use the wrong words here and there. I 'm sorry for tha, I do my best.
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16:01<_2faced>I know what I did wrong
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16:01<amm>Do I remove entrys for DVD 1 and 2 in sources.list?
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16:01<_2faced>when I copied hints from one of you guys, I also copied " # "
16:01<chealer>Neelix: no problem.
16:01<chealer>amm: which DVD-s do you have?
16:01<amm>1 2 3
16:02<chealer>amm: why would you remove entrys for DVD 1 and 2 in sources.list?
16:02<_2faced>so now I did the a2enmod, and the reload thingy successfull, what??
16:02<chealer>_2faced: still doesn't work?
16:03<amm> mistake. I ment 2 and 3. Since I'm going to add 2 an 3 again?
16:03<_2faced>nope, but let me try again
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16:03<_2faced>maybe publich_html should be re-made?
16:03<chealer>amm: I don't know. if it doesn't work, you can try removing them.
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16:03<chealer>_2faced: no
16:03<_2faced>lemme see then
16:03<amm>chealer: ok. wait
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16:04<Neelix>I tell you what i've done. I installed gcc-4.1. Made the world famous "hello world\n" source and tried to compile it with /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 test.c. Gcc answers with : warning incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function fprintf. I expected a file name a.out. I've done this before under various solaris os's with sun c compiler.
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16:05<_2faced>nope, not on iwebserver.local/~steve and neither on iwebserver.local/apache2-default/~steve
16:05<filemover>im getting syntax errors booting about the modprobe.conf file is there a correct way to add the module to the file ie instead of quoting the module directly
16:05<chealer>filemover: did you check the manpage?
16:06<filemover>im in the process now
16:06<_2faced>and if I do a ls --c on my serdir all dirs are still blue
16:06<dli>Neelix, that's a C question not a debian question. read a C tutorial.
16:06<chealer>_2faced: what?
16:06<_2faced>to see if one is apearing red
16:07<chealer>_2faced: please show the terminal interaction.
16:07<Neelix>dli It's not a debian problem but a gcc problem, where can i find an answer
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16:07<dli>Neelix, google C tutorial
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16:08<Neelix>dli, i've made c programs for about 25 years now, the program is ok. Gcc is the problem
16:08<_2faced>slap me with a wet dog, but what exactly do you mean by keyboard interaction?? Me is dutch languagebariere thinggy I suppose. but do you mean what I get when I enter lines
16:09<chealer>_2faced: for example, that's my interaction for $ uname -a
16:09<chealer>chealer@vinci:~/sources$ uname -a
16:09<chealer>Linux vinci 2.6.21-2-486 #1 Wed Jul 11 03:17:09 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
16:09<_2faced>I wish I could be less anoying, but if I don;t persist today, i dont think I will ever dare to make use of your wisdom again
16:09<padski_>Neelix: if it is a bug, file a bug in the distro or on the relevant gnu bug- mailing list
16:09<chealer>Neelix: what does the file contain?
16:10<Neelix>the file contains the following lines : main() | { | printf("Hello world\n"); | }
16:11<_2faced>I think you overestimate my level of linux/unix termology knowledge
16:11<dli>Neelix, you need #include<stdio.h>
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16:11<chealer>_2faced: really simple. paste what you see on the terminal from the line of your command to the last line of its output.
16:11<_2faced>im in at the deep end
16:12<Neelix>dli I'v tried that, then i recieve an error which tells me that stdio.h cannot be found. So I tried again with -I and-the-path-to-stdio.h. But gcc is quite persistent
16:12<_2faced>iwebserver:/home/steve# a2enmod userdir
16:12<_2faced>Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
16:12<_2faced>iwebserver:/home/steve# /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable
16:12<_2faced>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... waiting .
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16:13<dli>Neelix, apt-get install build-essential
16:13<_2faced>if I weren;t as high as a kite, i would find this verry anoying too
16:13<padski_>Neelix, just use puts() ;-)
16:13<chealer>_2faced: which Debian suite do you use?
16:13<ErJeDi>some knows how to make a program icon in the applications menu of gnome???
16:13<_2faced>iwebserver:/home/steve# man userdir
16:13<_2faced>No manual entry for userdir
16:14<Neelix>dli, that's is a sensible suggestion, I will try it inmediate, and I'll be back. In a few minutes I hope. :-)
16:14<_2faced>iwebserver:/home/steve# a2enmod userdir
16:14<_2faced>Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
16:14<_2faced>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... waiting .
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16:14<chealer>_2faced: I was referring to the terminal interaction for "<_2faced> and if I do a ls --c on my serdir all dirs are still blue"
16:14<dli>ErJeDi, get a menu editor for gnome
16:15<ErJeDi>names plz??
16:15<ErJeDi>to install with synaptic :)
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16:15<ErJeDi>or how to add with the shell comands or similar ;)
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16:15<amm>chealer: I've add all DVD's I'm sending you the 'sources.list' and the 'apt-get update' output. Here:
16:15<_steve_>iwebserver:/home/steve# ls --color
16:15<_steve_>backup_files Desktop docs downloads images links www
16:16<_steve_>thaz what I said before
16:16<_steve_>all blue, still
16:16<dli>ErJeDi, there are many, not sure which one to recommend :(
16:16<chealer>amm: so the problem is fixed, no?
16:17<chealer>_steve_: what do you mean? which color do you think they should be?
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16:17<_steve_>i dunno , nut I thought someone said in 1st session that one folder guess www should be red
16:17<dli>ErJeDi, try alacarte
16:18<amm>chealer: Yes. thank's. I dont know what I was doing wrong, but it works. See you!
16:19<chealer>_steve_: who said that? if you're talking about fxiny, he was referring to # a2dismod|grep --color userdir;'s output
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16:19<chealer>amm: good. see you
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16:20<chealer>_steve_: you don't have a public_html?
16:21<_steve_>could well be, but I also remember something else, I think I one day eddited the index html a bit, and if I remember correctly I edited when it still was a hidden www folder (at least I think i did) could it be i screwed rights up?
16:22<_steve_>I did the mkdir ~/public_html but nothing is visible
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16:22<_steve_>only www folder and I thought that was generated by the linke mkdir ~ etc
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16:22<smoke>after 12 hours of "research" and a lots of pain finally, I install FLGRX driver ... and ... compiz DONT WORK with :)
16:22<chealer>_steve_: please show the terminal interaction
16:24<dli>smoke, you may get it by luck, just doesn't worth it
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16:25<dli>smoke, try the new radeonhd driver, when it's released :(
16:25<smoke>its not by luck.. a lot of persons say "compiz only work with flgrx
16:25<dli>smoke, yes, it may work, or not, even the amd people couldn't tell
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16:25<smoke>dont work :T
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16:30<_steve_>chealer, do you have another language, other then your native english?
16:30<_steve_>*have - speak
16:30<chealer>_steve_: what? what native language is French, not English.
16:31<_steve_>loleven worse
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16:32<_steve_>you want me to do what , tell me and I do it but use another word for " keyboard interaction" (dunno weather to laugh , or cry from laughing right now)
16:32<isuckatlinux>question, if i compile a second kernel, can i do dpkg -i newkernel and keep both?
16:33<dli>isuckatlinux, that's the default behavior
16:33<isuckatlinux>and that would update grub 2?
16:33<isuckatlinux>with both kernels?
16:33<_steve_>for instance, you want me to type a line and produce the outcome?
16:33<chealer>_steve_: the same thing as you did for "ls --color" but for $ mkdir ~/public_html
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16:34<chealer>isuckatlinux: do you mean grub too?
16:34<isuckatlinux>yes sr.
16:35<chealer>isuckatlinux: yes. yes. yes.
16:35<isuckatlinux>cool, one more question, what about the modules, don't they mix up?
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16:36<dli>isuckatlinux, check your /etc/kernel-img.conf
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16:37<isuckatlinux>looking at it, what am i looking for
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16:38<Neelix>dpkg Install build-essential failed. I will try again tomorrow. Thanks anyway. Good night.
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16:40<_steve_>I got it!!
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16:41<isuckatlinux>dli, what am looking for in that file /etc/kernel-img.conf
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16:41<dli>isuckatlinux, it's pretty much self-explaining
16:41<_steve_>first time i did "mkdir ~/public_html" but is should have been mkdir /home/steve/public_html
16:42<isuckatlinux>how is that file related to the modules
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16:42<weasel>_steve_: so what's the difference?
16:42<Vakio>_steve_: ah, ~ was root's home, not yours :P
16:43<_steve_>that I did not have a "publi_html" dir in my userdir
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16:43<_steve_>yep roots home indeed
16:44<_steve_>wich brings me to the following question
16:44<_steve_>can i remove the public html from root dir?
16:44<chealer>_steve_: yes
16:44<_steve_>aight :)
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16:44<qbit>in unix! rm rm's you!
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16:45<_steve_>so when someone says "~" he meand yer user dir?
16:45<weasel>yes. the shell expands it too
16:45<weasel>so after mkdir ~/public_html you had a public_html in whatever that user's homedir was
16:46<chealer>_steve_: "~/" means the currently logged in user's home.
16:46<weasel>I wouldn't quite put it this way..
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16:47<_uplinkd_>how do i need to set up my groups to allow a user to burn cds?
16:47<chealer>weasel: which way would you put it?
16:47<_steve_>let me try and explain how my knowledge about use of terminal is to me, most of you learn from start, I got lego cubes and am trying to build, at least, a simple cube that makes sense to me, right now my lego islimited :)
16:47<weasel>chealer: there can be more than one logged in user you see.
16:48<weasel>chealer: so it doesn't matter who is logged in or not, it just matters whose shell it is.
16:48<chealer>weasel: yes. well, the shell owner.
16:48<filemover>hi again all the acx module is loading fine now but im still not getting the hardware recognized on the acx driver wiki they say for debian to put the firmware in either /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ or /lib/firmware both locations dont seem to work can anyone help
16:48<_steve_>well i was logged in as user, but did su after that, do some legoing in root too
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16:50<chealer>filemover: what do you mean by "both locations dont seem to work"?
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16:51<filemover>well ive tried using the firmware in both locations at different times
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16:51<filemover>and then rebooting
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16:54<filemover>i was reading that udev now replaces hotplug or something to that effect. Im running lenny 2.6.22-2 could the firmware location be somwhere completely different now in testing
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16:58<_steve_>damn, I cant edit file with regular user, thats because root made folder, what to do? make root remove folder, exit su and make new pub_html logged in as regular user?
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16:58<_steve_>of chmod and if so, what chmod?
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16:58<dli>_steve_, better, chown, if you didn't mean to create for root
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16:59<_steve_>is it recomendable to make it editable from under user steve instead of root?
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17:10<df1amb>Hi everybody. I am looking for a tool for flashing an LPC936 microcontroler but I can not find anything. I asked google before but that was useless. Any recommends?
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17:12<shardz_ez>what prog is good and light wieght for converting/burning mp3s to a cd?
17:12<isuckatlinux>u guess u might be better of swapping to windows
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17:14<dli>shardz_ez, mp3burn
17:14<df1amb>isuckatlinux: maybe but setting up windows for only one flash?
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17:15<isuckatlinux>wine may work
17:15<isuckatlinux>give it a try
17:16<df1amb>isuckatlinux: okay I'll try
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17:19<isuckatlinux>dude thats an insult
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17:20<shardz_ez>thanks dli , just what im looking for
17:20<dondelelcaro>ah yes... the ever popular comparison to cigarettes
17:20<joe_19>some onw know how to switch display in a laptop to a crt monitor
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17:21<joe_19>:( someone please
17:21<dli>joe_19, your laptop should have a keyboard option for that
17:21<dli>joe_19, however, you may have to restart X
17:21<shardz_ez>remind me to thank baby jesus for Perl
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17:22<amphi>joe_19: radeontool perhaps, if you have the eponymous card
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17:23<joe_19>im have a intel 945 whit i810 and i use the fn switch key and it does not work
17:24<amphi>joe_19: perhaps man i810 knows something?
17:24<joe_19>maybe let me chek
17:24<amphi>joe_19: otherwise ask dpkg about laptop, and see if there's relevant info on your model
17:25<df1amb>joe_19: maybe the keycode of your fn keys is unknown to your kernel.
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17:27<joe_19>but i remember that i have use the fn key before in another instalation in this same laptop whit the same distro Debian etch, i change to lenny yesterday wonderin if that whit solve my problem
17:27<amphi>joe_19: some cards/drivers need the external monitor to be connected at boot time
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17:27<shardz_ez>someone tell me what "OMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&8;kill -STOP $$' does
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17:28<isuckatlinux>check acpi joe_19 to see whats going on when u press the fn key
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17:28<amphi>joe_19: I found swsusping, plugging the monitor in, and resuming worked here, with no apparent ill-effects
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17:29<joe_19>yeah if i conect the monitor when i start the laptop the display of the laptop is always dark
17:30<amphi>joe_19: I can use the fn-combo to switch here
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17:31<joe_19>what is swsusping?
17:32<amphi>joe_19: using software suspend
17:32<dli>joe_19, it's quite normal to have only one up(lcd/crt)
17:33<joe_19>but i use the have both at the same timee....
17:33<amphi>dli: it's common not to be able to use both?
17:33<joe_19>can some one send me his xorg conf
17:33<joe_19>to see the diferences
17:33<joe_19>some that have a laptop
17:33<amphi>!tell joe_19 about laptop
17:33<joe_19>and the fn lcd/crt key works
17:33<dli>amphi, they could be of different resolutions, then, your card has to support it
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17:34<amphi>dli: sure
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17:34<dli>amphi, he has i810, not much chance
17:35<amphi>dli: I've not used it
17:35<joe_19>in my xorg.conf have only one monitor
17:35<joe_19>i also modified the file but it was the same and i go back to the old configuration
17:36<joe_19>oo thanks amphi fo the dpkg
17:36<amphi>joe_19: look at the urls the bot gave you, and look for info on your laptop
17:36<joe_19>ok thanks
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17:39<joe_19>someone say this about my laptop>>>Video intel 945GM) works graphics accelleration works. dual screen with alternate xorg.conf
17:39<joe_19>alternate xorg.conf
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17:48<isuckatlinux>anyone knows what this means? ./lib/modules/': No space left on device
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17:52<ifvoid>isuckatlinux: your disk is full
17:52<isuckatlinux>yup, thanks
17:54<isuckatlinux>how good is gparted?
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18:26<gass>hello there
18:26<gass>how can i enable gdb to debug also threads?
18:27<dli>gass, I remember it's enabled by default
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18:27<gass>dli, it is?
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18:27<gass>by function crashes and he can't say where ...
18:28<gass>or he can say the last two functions ...
18:28<gass>else is ??
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18:29<guillaume>I always get a zombie process with khubd under lenny and can't terminate it... how can I solve that ???
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18:33<aredhel>guillaume, a zombie is a program that has died, whos parent program has not asked what it exit status is yet. It only takes up about 100 bytes of memory, so don't worry about it.
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18:37<guillaume>aredhel: I think I don't usethe right term so because it use 100% cpu
18:37<aredhel>guillaume, not a zombie then.
18:39<aredhel>guillaume, have you tried kill -9 as root?
18:40<guillaume>aredhel: its a khub crash, this process mage usb devices I'll bu trred that before without success
18:40<naoliv>Hi! Anybody with patience to help me change the font on my urxvt terminal, please? (I want to use xfonts-terminus)
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18:40<aredhel>guillaume, what dose ps say it's state is?
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18:42<guillaume>aredhel: root 183 0.5 0.0 0 0 ? R< Sep20 9:35 [khubd]
18:42<guillaume>kill -9 183 fail
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18:44<aredhel>guillaume, thats a kernel thread, sorry for not noticing before. So it is a hardware problem or a kernel bug.
18:44<aredhel>guillaume, looks like a reboot may be the thing to do.
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18:54<guillaume>aredhel:I tink it's kernel bug because I have this pb since last lenny update... I wanna find a way to stop that process without rebooting my laptop.
18:55<aredhel>guillaume, as far as I know, you can't stop it. It's not a process, it a part of the kernel that just looks like one.
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19:00<aredhel>naoliv, urxvt -fn "terminus"
19:00<guillaume>aredhel: dmesg output this line : pwc: Too many ISOC errors, bailing out.
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19:02<naoliv>aredhel, it gives "urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting."
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19:04<aredhel>naoliv, try: urxvt -fn "xft:terminus"
19:05<naoliv>aredhel, Still gives the same output.
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19:08<beepblip_>i am getting an error on mysqlimport because the directory path has home/.user etc etc and it breaks on the period - how can i escape this?
19:09<aredhel>naoliv, it's working for me on etch. You have installed xfont-terminus right? What version of Debian are you using?
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19:10<naoliv>aredhel, xfonts-terminus 4.20-5.1 is installed. I can see it with xlsfonts. And it's Debian unstable. rxvt-unicode is version 8.3-2
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19:11<aredhel>naoliv, unstable... never mind then. I don't work with unstable.
19:12<naoliv>aredhel, Right. Thank you!
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19:15<aredhel>naoliv, given that you came here to ask the question, you would most likely be a good idea to not run unstable. Much better to run testing and just install one or two packages from unstable by hand if you really need them.
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19:16<naoliv>aredhel, I know how unstable works ;-) (And I always used it).
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19:22<ShadowMas>Hello all... Is there a way, after Debian is installed, to re-run the installer's auto discovery? I have a NIC card that has vanished and I'm trying to get it reinstalled.
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19:26<Hessophanes>naoliv: "urxvt -fn terminus-14" is working fine here...
19:26<shardz_ez>i had that and just had to load all the nic modules at pre-install
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19:28<naoliv>Hessophanes, Hum... I really don't know why it isn't working here. I saw that adding "URxvt.font: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--0-0-72-72-c-0-iso8859-1" to /etc/X11/app-defaults/URxvt it works.
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19:29<Hessophanes>naoliv: Hm, I had to rehash my font path, but then both xlsfonts and urxvt showed and accepted the aliases and the true font names.
19:30<filemover>thnx for the help before i got the wireless card working. It was a case of having the wrong firmware images and also the acx driver required a patch that i didnt read about anyway thnx
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19:31<naoliv>Hessophanes, xlsfonts displays terminus (like "-xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--0-0-72-72-c-0-iso8859-1", for example), but running "urxvt -fn terminus" it doesn't work. With "urxvt -fn fixed" it works.
19:31<Hessophanes>naoliv: There is no alias "terminus", but there is "terminus-{12,14,18,...}"...
19:32<naoliv>Hessophanes, with or without -number it gives the same message (urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting.)
19:32<Hessophanes>naoliv: Look at /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias.
19:32<naoliv>Just a moment
19:32<naoliv>Hessophanes, nothing with terminus inside /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias
19:33<shardz_ez>anyone know of a MSN clone that uses less resources than aMSN ?
19:33<naoliv>ShadowMas, Pidgin.
19:33<naoliv>ShadowMas, argh, sorry.
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19:33<naoliv>shardz_ez, Pidgin
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19:34<naoliv>Hessophanes, It seems that there only "problem" is the missing alias in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias. But it works if I run urxvt -fn "-xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--0-0-72-72-c-0-iso8859-1"
19:34<shardz_ez>that uses less resources than amsn? thought that was the new version of GAIM
19:35<naoliv>shardz_ez, Pidgin is the new Gaim.
19:35<Hessophanes>naoliv: Running 'update-fonts-alias misc' as root should get them... hmm, postinst is only calling update-fonts-dir.
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19:37<naoliv>Hessophanes, exactly! :-)
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19:38<naoliv>Hessophanes, thank you for your help!
19:39<Hessophanes>naoliv: No problem. :)
19:41<filemover>im thinking of converting all this music i have to ogg rather than mp3
19:41<lupine>mp32ogg is your friend for that
19:41<filemover>ill take a look
19:41<lupine>lossless conversion IIRC
19:41<filemover>ive been using perl scripts to do most of my converting
19:42<filemover>i have a lot of ape files
19:42<isuckatlinux>does any ipod or similar support ogg?
19:43<lupine>iRiver does
19:43<filemover>and there was nothing for it so i wrote a script for converting them to mp3 but now after hearing oggs im gonna go the other way
19:43<isuckatlinux>thats cool
19:43<lupine>filemover: a script already exists for that :D
19:43<filemover>for monkeysaudio
19:44<filemover>ill check it out anyway
19:44<filemover>mines called mac2mp3
19:44<filemover>its only simple
19:45<filemover>but it doesnt have tag support for the ape files
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19:46<shardz_ez>anyone tried emesene
19:47<chealer>ShadowMas: what do you mean by vanished?
19:48<filemover>i should post the script i wrote after seeing that
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19:58<filemover>heres the MonkeysAudio to mp3 script this is the old version of it ive got the newer one on the other PC ill post it soon but this one works fine u just have to have lame and mac installed
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20:20<Brudus>whats better for gaming. codeweavers or cedega
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20:21<chealer>Brudus: ask #linux
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20:24<SnoopJeDi>Anybody manage to install the ipw3945 driver successfully? I can't seem to get my wireless card detected under etch.
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20:25<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
20:25<Muffie>hello all.
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20:25<SnoopJeDi>amphi, much appreciated
20:25<Muffie>Anyone knows whats executed when I ask, inside gnome (etch), for a restart? Im receiving a black screen...
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20:26<amphi>SnoopJeDi: welcome
20:26<Guest835>i m not been able to find the proper layout for my keyboard
20:26<Guest835>the ascii symbols dont show up
20:26<Guest835>i just dont know what else could i do
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20:26<Muffie>where r u from? Guest769
20:26<Guest835>i used the command dpkg-reconfigure console-data
20:26<Muffie>ops Guest835
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20:27<Guest835>im from argentina
20:27<Guest835>i have a qwerty keyboard
20:27<Muffie>US International?
20:27<Guest835>i have already tried with us, latin american, spanish, but none of them worked
20:28<Muffie>anyway, looks like youre trying to fix that for the console. I only know inside X anyway
20:28<Guest835>i have tried the dpkg-reconfigure console-data
20:28<Guest835>then i followed the instructions
20:28<Muffie>Anyone knows whats executed when I ask, inside gnome (etch), for a restart? Im receiving a black screen...
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20:29<amphi>Guest835: dpkg-reconfigure console-data I think
20:29<Guest835>you should enter init 6
20:29<Guest835>that is the reboot command
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20:29<Muffie>I want to find out the list of commands that were executed when I ask to restart inside gnome
20:30<Guest835>i dont have a f**cking idea of what you are talking about
20:30<ameyer>nice... f**cking
20:30<Guest835>i just wanna get my keyboard to work
20:30<Muffie>its working!
20:30<Guest835>i put the asteriscs myself
20:30<Muffie>use it anyway
20:31<Guest835>i dont want to be rude
20:31<ameyer>well, it's got one too many
20:31<ameyer>unless there's a new way to spell that
20:31<Guest835>help me
20:32<jjl>Hi all :-) I made an update two days ago and acpid was updated too (sid). Now, Im confused: Im using if-statements in my acpi-scripts, but they dont work now. Idea?
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20:32<bzed>Guest835: dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data
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20:32<Arron>is there any cons to allow all users to read syslog? Id like to have a tail of it, and only i use it. if its ok, how do i set the log archiver to make a new one with read for others?
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20:33<jjl>I use "#!/bin/bash" an if i run the scripts manualy as root, then theywork...
20:34<Guest835>TELL ME how to configure my keyboard
20:34<Guest835>because i cannot find the correct layout
20:35<Guest835>i have tried every and each one of them
20:35<Guest835>its driving me crazy
20:36<shardz_ez>maybe your keyboard is just not compatible..
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21:08<evolver>ls -l
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21:10<lupine>drwxr-xr-x 2 evolver evolver 4096 2007-09-03 14:51 Pr0n
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21:10<satan>buenas noches, podrían ayudarme?
21:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:11<satan>tengo un problema en compartir impresoras, he buscado informacion pero no le entiendo. como se daran cuenta soy novato. pero me interesa mucho Linux
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21:13<dpkg>i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup
21:13<satan>yo instale debian en mi maquina pero tengo una impresora samsung ml 1610
21:13<satan>deseo compartirla a la red que tengo. todas las maquinas tienen windows xp
21:14<lupine>hmm. or maybe through samba
21:14<satan>en este momento logre instalar la impresora en mi maquina.. repito uso debian
21:14<dpkg>it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (
21:14<lupine>that's what you wan
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21:15<motalus-organixc>helly, i cant get an executable to be recognized as such
21:15<lupine>motalus-organixc: chmod a+x <filename>
21:15<motalus-organixc>lupine: still doesnt work
21:15<motalus-organixc>here are some stats
21:16<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:16<lupine>and when you say executable... what, exactly, do you mean by that?
21:16<satan>ok gracias por los tutoriales
21:17<motalus-organixc>the output of ls -l glquake: -rwxr-xr-x 1 mike mike 405412 1997-11-13 18:34 glquake, and file says its an ELF 32-bit LSB executable for the intel 80386, version 1 (sysv), dynamically linked, striped
21:17<motalus-organixc>its the glquake executable for, you can find it under
21:17<lupine>and when you try to run it (in the working directory, "./glquake"), what happens?
21:17<motalus-organixc>bash ./glquake no such file or directory
21:18<motalus-organixc>and if i put it in /usr/local/bin it does the same thing except the ./glquake turns into /usr/local/bin/glquake
21:19<motalus-organixc>same happens with squake and quake.x11
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21:20<lupine>did you bother reading "readme.glquake" ?
21:20<motalus-organixc>yes, it says something about libraries and glide, but nothing specific about starting it up or failing to, i figured if a library issue was happening it would tell me it failed to find something while running
21:21<lupine>"bash: command not found: glquake" is the error it gives if it can't find the binary file
21:21<lupine>"bash: no such file or directory: ./glquake" is different
21:21<motalus-organixc>its the second one
21:22<lupine>the bit that really stands out for me in the readme is "Install the glquake executable in your Quake directory "
21:22<lupine>did you do that?
21:22<motalus-organixc>its in /usr/local/games/quake
21:22<motalus-organixc>and in there is a id1 dir that contains pak0.pak and pak1.pak
21:23<motalus-organixc>but it shouls still recognize the executable, its like bash isn't even seeing it
21:23<lupine>no, bash is seeing it (otherwise it would say "command not found")
21:23<motalus-organixc>but it says it cant find the file
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21:24<motalus-organixc>i thought past an executable bieng made, the only thing that can go wrong except coding issues is not having the right libraries installed, and if its a dynamically linked executable thats striped and i don't have a library it should tell me by dll failed error pointing out the libraries it could not find
21:25<shardz_ez>locate <filename>
21:25<motalus-organixc>locate glquake doesn't turn up anything
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21:25<lupine>interesting... ldd glquake doesn't work either
21:25<motalus-organixc>are you using the one from thier ftp?
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21:26<motalus-organixc>you think this is an error on thier part?
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21:27<motalus-organixc>i tried searching for the source, but i can't find any linux ones, and somewhere it says that they packaged a patch with glquake but its not there
21:27<lupine>that ldd doesn't work on it smells very fishy to me
21:28<lupine>it can't be executed inside gdb either
21:30<motalus-organixc>hmm, all the links i can find to the binaries point back to ftp's site too, including the quakeworld client
21:31<lupine>it's an interesting problem, but I have no idea why it's doing it
21:31<lupine>I would guess that the no such file or directory is something to do with the dynamic library resolution
21:32<motalus-organixc>its really annoying, especially since the linux source code doesnt seem to be out there anywhere anymore
21:32<aredhel>motalus-organixc, which vesion quake are you trying to play?
21:32<motalus-organixc>aredhel: quake 1 original mission pack, not the shareware version
21:33<motalus-organixc>been the most annoying thing to get my hands on, i was going to torrent it, but figured i'd buy it
21:33<motalus-organixc>got it off ebay, and when the disc came, it melted in the mail and wouldn't read anymore, so i ended up torrenting it anyway
21:33<aredhel>motalus-organixc, have you looked at quakeforge
21:33<motalus-organixc>aredhel: neg, forgot about that, i'll go check out if thier executable still runs
21:34<motalus-organixc>was just looking at tenebrae, but i don't htink it compiles for me last time i checked
21:34<lupine>Tenebrae? That's... Ultima, right?
21:34<motalus-organixc>its a new engine for quake with GLSL included for lighting shadowing and bumpmapping etc
21:35<lupine>ah, ok. It's also the name of a town (wizards? I forget) in Ultima
21:35<lupine>I need to play that again
21:35<motalus-organixc>lol, my brother still has the floppys around for it, is there a linux client?
21:36<lupine>not AFAIK
21:36<lupine>8 is good in qemu or dosbox; 9 is good in wine
21:36<lupine>earlier versions in $emulator
21:36<lupine>heh. Akalabeth in a C=64 emulator ftw
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22:31<E0x>hmm what app i can use for sync music in a iphone ?
22:31<motalus-organixc>or amarok might do it
22:31<E0x>gtkpod work ?
22:31<motalus-organixc>yeah, thats what i meant
22:32<E0x>let me try it , i use gtkpod for my ipod
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22:34<E0x>not , gtkpod dont work
22:35<E0x>because the iphone dont get mounted like the ipod
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22:46<guillaume>I have some pb with mysql under lenny, the connection can't be done under root or other user, If I stop mysqld and restart it with option --skip-privilege-table and recreate the user root, I get a running mysql, but after reboot it fail again...
22:52<guillaume>other question, i'm playing with compiz-fusion, is there a way to show open windows like in vista ?
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22:55<amphi>guillaume: what do mean, 'like vista'?
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22:57<guillaume>amphi: I don't know welll compiz-fusion, i see there's lots of functions to manage windows (like group) but I wanna know if it's possible to obtain an effect like aero in vista for open windows
22:57<amphi>I haven't seen vista
22:58<amphi>you mean the scale plugin, perhaps?
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23:00<guillaume>amphi: look at the picture on the right
23:00<guillaume>it's what I wanna get
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23:05<guillaume>amphi: scale plugin reduce windows on the sceen in order to selcet one no ?
23:05<sheets>hi, question, can someone tell me the command, (or where the file is), that show the boot messages
23:05<amphi>guillaume: yes
23:06<guillaume>sheets: dmesg
23:06<sheets>gguillaume, thank you
23:06<sheets>ill write it down this time
23:08<amphi>guillaume: the shift switcher plugin can do something like that, although I prefer it set to behave like this:
23:08<guillaume>amphi: It's nice but I have brothers that use macintosh, and wanna show them why they shouldn't laugh about linux :)
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23:09<guillaume>yes that's what I wanna get
23:09<amphi>guillaume: you think something that looks somewhat like vista will do that? if so, why care whether they laugh or not?
23:10<guillaume>amphi: nope but I just wanna show them how graphical interface progress under linux
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23:11<contato318>alguem poderia me ajudar?
23:12<guillaume>contato318: in english
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23:12<amphi>guillaume: this is more like what you showed,
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23:12<guillaume>amphi: yes but I don't know how to obtain this result
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23:13<amphi>guillaume: shift switcher, as I told you
23:13<amphi>!tell contato318 about br
23:14<contato318>nunca usei o mirc, é a primeira vez! Como vou para uma sala de debian em br?
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23:15<contato318>\j linux
23:15<contato318>\join linux
23:18<amphi>contato318: /j #debian-br
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23:28<drakode>como puedo entrar por consola como un super usuario root?
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23:29<Villarroel>drakode, sudo -s
23:29<Villarroel>drakode, su
23:29<drakode>su es solo para super usuario
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23:29<drakode>nesecito ser super usuario root
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23:29<Villarroel>drakode, no su, es para cualquier usuario su [usuario] si no pone nada es root.
23:30<guillaume>amphi: thk u for compiz tip :)
23:30<amphi>guillaume: you have it working?
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23:32<guillaume>amphi: yes it's just that I didn't know the shortcut shift super s :) I've change from beryl to compiz and now compiz fusion, but this one is from git repository and is really incredible and quick even with all option and plugin active
23:32<drakode><Villarroel> drakode, no su, es para cualquier usuario su [usuario] si no pone nada es root.
23:32<amphi>guillaume: yeah, it works well - you are on the 0.6.0 branch?
23:32<drakode>how I can enter like super user root?
23:33<Villarroel>drakode, open a terminal and type "su root"
23:33<guillaume>drakode: sudo ?
23:33<amphi>guillaume: he's unlikely to have set up /etc/sudoers if he's asking this ;)
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23:35<guillaume>amphi: 1:0.5.5+git20070920-shame-0 under nvidia 7950gtx
23:36<guillaume>amphi: yes but it's not hard to do and I think it's safer no ?
23:36<amphi>guillaume: oh, I thought you said you built from git - but shame's packages are quite up to date it seems ;)
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23:37<guillaume>amphi: yes there's nightly build I think
23:37<amphi>guillaume: what does compiz --version say there?
23:38<guillaume>amphi: nothing ...
23:39<guillaume>amphi: compiz --version doesn't return the version
23:39<amphi>how bizarre - I shall have to ask shame about that ;)
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23:39<amphi>you're sure? ;)
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23:39<guillaume>a bug maybe
23:41<amphi>doubt it
23:42<guillaume>amphi: yes I'm, It return a blinking cursor and stay like that I had to shut the command with crtl c
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