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---Logopened Thu Sep 27 00:00:07 2007
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00:00<fsateler>Vakio: where is that thread? I can't seem to find it (google likes to return spanish results)
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00:00<eins7ein>I guess I will find out when the update finishes
00:01<eins7ein>10 minutes left
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00:02<Vakio>Wouldn't backporting Alsa have been a bit simpler and safer?
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00:02<fsateler>but there are no backports
00:02<eins7ein>can you repost that last link
00:02<eins7ein>my client disconnected
00:03<Vakio>fsateler: couldn't he backport it himself?
00:03<eins7ein>what do you mean
00:03<fsateler>Vakio: maybe
00:03<eins7ein>what is backporting
00:04<fsateler>bakcporting is when (eg) you recompile lenny's alsa to work in etch
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00:05<fsateler>however a simple recompile is not the solution
00:05<eins7ein>well I'm upgrading as we speak so I guess it's a moot point
00:05<fsateler>so I can't say if recompiling alsa would have worked
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00:05<fsateler>eins7ein: you can still cancel, btw
00:05<fsateler>apt is downloading packages, but it won't start installing until it downloads all of them
00:06<niru>I have installed virtualbox
00:06<niru>but dont know how to make it work
00:06<eins7ein>it just got to the alsa stuff
00:07<eins7ein>about 60% done
00:07<fsateler>eins7ein: maybe you can abort now, and try just upgrading the alsa stuff
00:07<gsimmons>niru: <>
00:07<fsateler>apt-get install libasound2
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00:08<Vakio>But then he'll end up getting the Lenny packages the next time he upgrades.
00:09<eins7ein>i'm already getting the lenny packages
00:09<fsateler>Vakio: but it is easier to revert a smaller set of packages
00:09<fsateler>if something goes wrong
00:09<eins7ein>so I should stop the update then
00:09<fsateler>eins7ein: it depends
00:09<eins7ein>on what
00:10<fsateler>you shoud read and see if testing is right for you
00:10<fsateler>testing = lenny
00:11<eins7ein>I am a bit scared that I don't know enough to be running testing software to fix something if it breaks
00:11<eins7ein>if I can do it another way I would rather do that
00:11<Vakio>Hm. That FAQ doesn't really go into the reasons why one should or should not use testing.
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00:12<eins7ein>just Ctrl C to make it stop?
00:12<fsateler>hm, yes... I read it too late
00:12<fsateler>eins7ein: yes
00:13<eins7ein>what was the apt-get sound stuff
00:13<fsateler>apt-get install libasound2
00:13<fsateler>that will only update libasound2 (the alsa library) and it's dependencies
00:13<eins7ein>should i switch sources.list back to etch before doing this
00:14<fsateler>no. otherwise you would get etch's version
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00:14<niru>gsimmons, what does virtual mean here
00:14<niru>gsimmons, is it that my hard disk space is not utilized
00:15<Vakio>I think mixing releases sounds bad.
00:15<fsateler>eins7ein: maybe you could try compiling alsa yourself
00:16<eins7ein>How would I do that
00:16<Vakio>!simple sid backport
00:16<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
00:16<Vakio>Would that work?
00:16<fsateler>Vakio: maybe
00:17<gsimmons>niru: I'm unfamiliar with VirtualBox. Try reading the FAQ and HOWTO/tutorial sections.
00:17<fsateler>eins7ein: revert your changes to sources.list
00:17<eins7ein>what is the package name I need to do that to
00:17<eins7ein>and then what
00:17<Snapser>where can I download the network install of lenny?
00:18<fsateler>add a new line to it: deb-src http:<the same address as your other lines>/debian unstable main
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00:19<eins7ein>now what
00:19<Vakio>eins7ein: apt-get update
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00:21<eins7ein>what do I do after updating
00:22<fsateler>eins7ein: apt-get build-dep libasound2
00:23<wmachalica>where can I get the source code for the passwd utility?
00:23<wmachalica> seem to only have the binaries.
00:23<eins7ein>Package gcc-multilib is not available, but is referred to by another package.
00:23<eins7ein>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
00:23<eins7ein>is only available from another source
00:23<eins7ein>E: Package gcc-multilib has no installation candidate
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00:24<Vakio>Oh fudge, class starts in seven minutes. I hope I helped a bit :P
00:24<eins7ein>I guess I sholdn't have done that
00:24<eins7ein>It failed anyway
00:24<eins7ein>I have to leave for a minute and go home I'll be back in a minute
00:24<fsateler>eins7ein: you're out of luck: newer alsa has newer build dependencies
00:25<fsateler>eins7ein: I'll have to leave now as welll
00:25<Vakio>wmachalica: apt-get source passwd
00:25<fsateler>I hope someone else can help you
00:25<eins7ein>is there a way to satisfy these dependencies
00:25<eins7ein>thank you for your help
00:25<fsateler>eins7ein: you would have to install them from lenny, or backport them
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00:26<eins7ein>oh ok maybe some one can help me when I get back
00:26<fsateler>see ya
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00:35<hachi>hi, does anyone know how to get scim working in debian? I've got the docklet running but ctrl-space doesn't seem to load the IME at all, I'm testing using pidgin, mlterm, and iceweasel
00:36<cO|zMk|Nak|BaNd|>hi too
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00:37<gsimmons>Snapser: You can use the daily built images listed at <>.
00:38<Snapser>they are massive images
00:39<gsimmons>Snapser: 36M (businesscard) and 174M (netinst) are "massive"?
00:39<Snapser>you would think it would be the other way around, and they would only provide the net install images
00:39<Snapser>oh, I thought you were talking about Lenny
00:41<Snapser>"If you'd like something newer to help us test a future release of the installer, or because of hardware problems or other issues, try one of these daily built images which contain the latest available version of installer components."
00:41<Snapser>Is that Debian Lenny, or Debian Etch with the latest installer?
00:41<hachi>I believe that page has a link that says "If you're looking for etch installers, click here"
00:42<hachi>so that's all lenny
00:42<gsimmons>Snapser: The daily built images use the installer built from sid and install the testing version of Debian (lenny).
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00:42<eins7ein>I am back
00:42<Snapser>*download lenny*
00:42<eins7ein>Still have no sound
00:42<Snapser><3 gsimmons <3 hachi <3
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00:42<Snapser>eins7ein, is your sound card detected?
00:43<cO|zMk|Nak|BaNd|>where are you ?
00:43<eins7ein>As far as I can tell
00:43<Snapser>eins7ein, by default "External Amplifier" is selected for me, and I have to disable it to get sounds working
00:43<eins7ein>it is a Realtek HD
00:43<eins7ein>how do I do that
00:43<Snapser>eins7ein, hmm, I use kmix
00:44<eins7ein>I am on a laptop if that helps
00:44<Snapser>eins7ein, same
00:44<eins7ein>I'm not using KDE
00:44<hachi>any scim users here?
00:44<Snapser>in Gnome you have to go to the Audio settings thing...
00:44<kop>I'm mucking about the bios of a new box. Is there any reason I should not turn ACPI on?
00:45<test1>Snapser, can we have voice-chat with IRC protocole ?
00:45<Snapser>eins7ein, Then customize the available options, and select External Amplifier
00:45<hachi>kop: I haven't had any acpi problems myself since like 2003
00:45<Snapser>test1, Where did you come from?
00:45<kop>And how about the PnP OS setting?
00:45<eins7ein>I don't see anything about external amplifier
00:45<Snapser>eins7ein, I don't have Gnome installed
00:45<kop>hachi: It's not a laptop but I don't see why I shouldn't turn it on anyway.
00:45<test1>from, somewhere ...
00:46<Snapser>eins7ein, There are two sounds dialogs
00:46<eins7ein>how do I access the other one
00:46<Snapser>eins7ein, How are you accessing that one?
00:46<test1>eins7ein, can we have voice-chat with IRC protocole ?
00:46<eins7ein>desktop -> preferences
00:47<eins7ein>I don't know anything about voice chat dude
00:47<test1>hi all, can we have voice-chat with IRC protocole ?
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00:47<eins7ein>I barely know anything about irc
00:47<suiside>test1: no
00:47<eins7ein>where is the other sound panel
00:48<Snapser>"Open Volume Control, go to Preferences, and select all tracks to be visible. Then go to the Switches tab, and UNCHECK External Amplifier."
00:48<kop>And then there's SATA and AHCI. I assume I'll get better performance from AHCI, but I won't be able to run a stock etch kernel. (And wierdly, there's two SATA controllers on the mobo, and only one, that has one plug on the mobo, will do AHCI.) Any AHCI recommendations?
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00:49<eins7ein>I don't have something called volume control under preferences should I be installing it
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00:50<eins7ein>never mind I found volume control
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00:51<eins7ein>I don't have a switches option under preferences
00:52<eins7ein>only master and PCM
00:52<Snapser>Gnome is so easy it is hard
00:53<eins7ein>I just started using desktop linux last night
00:53<eins7ein>before I just ran a game server and ftp at lan parties
00:53<kop>How about acpi 2.0, should I turn that on in the bios?
00:54<test1>hi, all , i have a question, today when i logged in to my computer, i noticed that almost all myswap space(about 1354544KB) is occupied, and when i investigated the ksysguard show that about 1700MB virtual machine is used by process "hald", i have 1GB physical ram, and usually my computer do not need to use swap space. what is happening in this computer today, have anyone any idea?
00:54<Snapser>eins7ein, try installing alsamixer
00:54<Snapser>it might already be installed...
00:54<eins7ein>package not found
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00:54<Snapser>it might already be installed...
00:55<eins7ein>apt-get install alsamixer
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00:55<Snapser>it might be under something like alsatools / alsautils
00:55<kop>eins7ein: (aptitude is now preferred over apt-get)
00:55<eins7ein>I was talking to some one earlier who said something about the version of alsa in etch not working w/ Realtek HD audio
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00:56<Snapser>eins7ein, alsa-tools and alsa-utils
00:56<test1>is there any idea for my phenomenon ?
00:56<eins7ein>Both are now installed what's next
00:57<Snapser>launch alsamixer, in terminal
00:57<eins7ein>both volumes all the way up
00:57<eins7ein>nothing muted
00:57<Snapser>horizontally scroll using the arrow keys, until you come across External, then press M
00:58<eins7ein>It doesn't have External apparantly
00:58<eins7ein>only choices are Master and PCM
00:58<Snapser>what card is used?
00:59<eins7ein>Realtek HD Audio
00:59<Snapser>is that what alsamixer reports?
00:59<eins7ein>Card is shown as HDA intel
00:59<eins7ein>chip is Realtek ID 268
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01:00<kop>Anybody have any ideas for an easy way to run a memory tester (memtest86++ ?) for the amd64 arch? I thought that it came on the install cd but I seem to be wrong.
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01:00<hachi>sysresccd has memtest86 on it
01:00<eins7ein>memtest comes on the ubuntu cd but not debian
01:00<hachi>I keep that, and a debian installer on my flash memory stick at all times
01:00<eins7ein>you could just dl memtest
01:01<eins7ein>they have a version for flash drives
01:01<Snapser>eins7ein, press the tab key
01:01<Snapser>View: Playback Capture [All]
01:01<eins7ein>still the same
01:02<Snapser>you're using Debian?
01:02<eins7ein>yep etch to be exact
01:02<Snapser>Alsa or OSS?
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01:03<cojack>hi all
01:03<Snapser>oh noes~ where are all the options~
01:03<eins7ein>OSS is supposedly for kernel version 2.4 or less
01:03<test1>hi, all , i have a question, today when i logged in to my computer, i noticed that almost all myswap space(about 1354544KB) is occupied, and when i investigated the ksysguard show that about 1700MB virtual machine is used by process "hald", i have 1GB physical ram, and usually my computer do not need to use swap space. what is happening in this computer today, have anyone any idea?
01:03<Snapser>do you have alsa-base?
01:03<eins7ein>how would I find out
01:04<Snapser>aptitude install alsa-base
01:04<kop>hachi: sysresccd does not seem to have an amd64 arch. :-( I've used knoppix for i386, but dunno if that's got an amd64 arch either, and it might be easier to make my own memtest boot disk....
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01:04<hachi>kop: does memtest86 run on amd64? after all, it's memtest *86*
01:05<Snapser>dpkg: tell test1 about hal
01:05<hachi>you could just run the 32bit version anyways
01:05<hachi>do you have more than 8GB of memory or something?
01:05<cojack>test1: everybody computer have to use swap, imo
01:05<eins7ein>alsa-tools installed now what
01:06<eins7ein>already got it
01:06<cojack>anyone have a problem after the apt-upgrade (testing ver debian) with wine-doors?
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01:06<Snapser>eins7ein, do you have speaker plugged in? try using the laptop speaker
01:06<hachi>look at all the cute bootable memtest86 isos
01:07<eins7ein>I am trying to use the laptop speakers
01:07<eins7ein>I don't have any others
01:07<kop>hachi: Good question. I'll look. No I've only 4G of RAM, but my mobo is wierd a limits the ram in 32bit mode. (Although I forget the details, 32bits might do 4G of ram.)
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01:07<Snapser>eins7ein, do you have headphone or anything
01:07<test1>hi, all , i have another problem, in nfs-networking, when i mount a filesystem from a SCO-UNIX machine(5.0.7) on my linux machine usually it will lock for about 2-100 seconds in accessing that filesystem, and this locking is occured time to time, many time in a hour, and actually i can not use that filesystem anymore, this
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01:07<Snapser>eins7ein, if so, try using them
01:08<eins7ein>yes but I want to be able to use the built in speakers
01:08<Snapser>do the headphones work?
01:08<Snapser>I wonder why your options are crippled~
01:09<test1>phenomenon is occured in this machind that have a 2.6.19 kernel, but when i test as above but a 2.4.x kernel debian system, it has no problem with that nfs-mounted filesystem, what is the problem?
01:09<Snapser>I have about 20 switches
01:09<eins7ein>what audio chip do you have
01:09<Snapser>if the headphones worked, the problem might have been "Headphone Jack Sense"
01:09<Snapser>Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4, Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B
01:10<eins7ein>are you using "lenny"
01:10<Snapser>but there should be more options for your card than Master Channel and PCM
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01:11<eins7ein>Snapser: are you using "lenny"
01:11<Snapser>what is selected in Gnomes "Multimedia System Selector" (spelling may be slightly off)
01:11<Snapser>Lenny == Downloading Now :D:D:D:D:D
01:11<Snapser>Lenny <3
01:12<Snapser>Pitty I don't know anyone called Lenny.. I could have opened an IM window and started spamming "Lenny <3"
01:12<eins7ein>output: Autodetect
01:13<eins7ein>input: ALSA
01:13<eins7ein>should I update to lenny
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01:14<eins7ein>I'm kinda scared of the whole testing thing being new as I am
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01:14<suiside>eins7ein: only if you know what you are doing
01:14<kop>This is annoying. My bios does not seem to have an option to boot from a usb stick. Is there something I don't know, like the usb stick shows up as a floppy drive?
01:15<eins7ein>I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm doing
01:15<suiside>kop: you can use a bootmgr floppy which can force a boot from medium not suppoerted
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01:15<kop>(FWIW I noticed the pulseaudio package the other day. It's a sound server that's supposed to be able to mix sound from alisa and non-alisa sources....)
01:16<kop>suiside: Alas, there's no floppy. I thought about putting one in but there's no handy place to mount it.
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01:16<eins7ein>kop: should I be trying this pulseaudio
01:17<suiside>kop: I wouldn't be suprised if there would be a cd which would do the same thing
01:17<kop>eins7ein: I don't know much of anything about sound, so I couldn't say.
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01:18<eins7ein>am I just screwed then
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01:18<test1>could anyone thinking about my above problem ?
01:18<kop>suiside: I suppose I could keep the mbr on a hard drive and just give grub options to boot "kernels" (like memtest86) off of anything. But then I've got to install grub and I've no os at all on the box yet.
01:19<kop>test1: I was wondering if you googled for the problem?
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01:20<test1>kop, i told above:
01:20<test1>hi, all , i have another problem, in nfs-networking, when i mount a filesystem from a SCO-UNIX machine(5.0.7) on my linux machine usually it will lock for about 2-100 seconds in accessing that filesystem, and this locking is occured time to time, many time in a hour, and actually i can not use that filesystem anymore, this
01:20<kop>test1: I was also thinking I don't know the answer.
01:20<test1>phenomenon is occured in this machind that have a 2.6.19 kernel, but when i test as above but a 2.4.x kernel debian system, it has no problem with that nfs-mounted filesystem, what is the problem?
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01:21<kop>test1: Yes, something has changed. There should be a record of what in various email lists about the net. If I had to guess I'd say sco has not updated their nfs implimentation in a long time.
01:22<test1>but it has not that problem with linux-kernel-2.4.x !!!
01:24<Supaplex>!quote scox
01:24<kop>test1: Perhaps they dropped some work-around for something broken in older nfs implimentations. That's the kind of thing I'd google for if I were you.
01:24<dpkg>SCOX: 0.175 (0.19/0.17), 9/26/2007 3:56pm, Opened 0.18, Volume 423,380, Change -0.005
01:25<Supaplex>!pal SCOX
01:25[~]dpkg points at SCOX and laughs
01:25<kop>test1: Or maybe there's some "do it the old way" flag you need to set. Anyhow, I don't know much about it.
01:26<Supaplex>!binary search
01:27<Supaplex>test1: you could narrow it down with a binary search. pick the newest version you know that works, and the first version you know broke it, pick a version in between. keep moving up by 1/2 if it's good, and down if it goes bad.
01:28<Supaplex>personally I'd review the changelogs to
01:28<Supaplex>anywho, sleep() becons. good luck!
01:29<Fox_1_>hi all
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01:30<kop>I don't suppose there's any cds that boot with grub? I could then just write my own grub command to boot memtest off a usb stick.
01:30<Fox_1_>people here is the ssh -vvv output please anyone take a look and say why it's connection take so long time. btw ping with that server are about 10ms?
01:31<hachi>Fox_1_: willing to bet dns lookup problems on the far end
01:31<kop>Fox_1_: Either dns, or occassionaly I've seen preference for ipv6.
01:31<Fox_1_>but in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have the line "UseDNS no"
01:32<Fox_1_>yes ipv6 is turned on
01:32<Fox_1_>but I can off it
01:33<eins7ein>apparantly If I install the sound drivers from Lenny I can make my sound work
01:34<eins7ein>How would I go about doing this on etch
01:34<kop>Fox_1_: I'd say that maybe dns is not off locally, even though you think it is. Just a feeling because it seems to be complaining about invalid names.
01:34<Fox_1_>yes, locally I have dns
01:35<kop>eins7ein: I've not done this, but there's 2 ways. There's "pinning" where you tell it exactly what version of what package from what release. (I think.) And then there's just telling it to use a different release for a package install at the command line.
01:36<kop>Fox_1_: Feels like your local dns is timeing out before it falls back to just using the ip. I could be totally wrong.
01:36<Fox_1_>ok, if you are right, how can I fix it?
01:37<kop>eins7ein: Either way, you need to do an "aptitude update" using a different /etc/apt/sources.list (type) file so your system knows what packages exist in the different releases.
01:37<kop>Fox_1_: One easy thing to try first is forcing ipv4 with the -4 ssh command flag.
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01:38<Bryan>well crap
01:38<Bryan>wrong server
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01:39<kop>eins7ein: Something like: aptitude -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/etc/apt/sources.list.daily update will update your sources and can include non-etch archives.
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01:40<kop>eins7ein: Then "aptitude -t lenny install foo" will install package "foo" from lenny. (And you might need to tell it to use your non-default sources.list file too.)
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01:41<kop>eins7ein: Anyhow, I've not done this, and I'd expect it to be easy to break your system so be careful. You might want to ask again back here or look at the debian docs at before actually trying anything.
01:43<eins7ein>I'm not sure what package I actually need but apparantly the version of alsa in etch does not support my Realtek HD Audio codec
01:43<Snapser>eins7ein, you would have to find the source code for the sound driver modules
01:43<Snapser>eins7ein, you would also need the kernel headers
01:43<Snapser>eins7ein, (because you are compiling modules/drivers for the kernel)
01:43<eins7ein>I have the drivers from realtek sitting on my desktop and I installed them to no avail
01:44<kop>eins7ein: Check out That might help.
01:44<eins7ein>I am completely new to this whole experience
01:45<kop>eins7ein: With you'd still need to manage your apt sources.list so you don't accidently install everything, but the site probably has a faq.
01:47<kop>eins7ein: yeah. There's an instructions page.
01:47<eins7ein>I'm not sure exactly what I should be installing
01:47<kop>eins7ein: Sorry, can't help there.
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01:49<Snapser>the latest sound card drivers...
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01:51<eins7ein>I think I found a tutorial on alsa's wiki
01:51<Snapser>make sure it is for the same card...
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01:53<Vakio>He needed alsa-base from Lenny.
01:53<gogo_work>hi to all - did you anyone mount root file system from RAM - I mean not initrd initial process
01:54[~]hachi bangs head against desk
01:54<Vakio>(Or that was the hint that Google gave.)
01:54<hachi>scim refuses to let me type in japanese
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02:00<Snapser>*thinks up evil deeds such as installing Debian on gamers computers*
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02:04<eins7ein>I am trying to follow this tutorial:
02:05<eins7ein>I get caught up on this line: ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-sequencer=yes ; make ; make install
02:05<eins7ein>any ideas
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02:08<eins7ein>any ideas at all
02:09<Snapser>what error do you get?
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02:10<student>hi girls
02:10<student>how are you
02:10<dpkg>peachy, student
02:10<Snapser>Girls don't use the Internet!!!
02:10<student>hej gujs
02:10<student>ypu toking to me
02:10<student>czy mnie uszy bola
02:11<Snapser>eins7ein, those are separate lines
02:11<student>snapser nie cwaniakuj
02:11<student>i'm paweł kopciuch and me you
02:11<Snapser>eins7ein, so it would be "./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-sequencer=yes", then "make", then as root "make install"
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02:12<student>helo frajerzy
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02:12<kop>Isn't avoiding the package manager a bit dangerous?
02:12<student_>tolk me
02:12<Vakio>student_: do you have a Debian related question?
02:12<Vakio>(/me has already learned the line.)
02:12<student_>you toking to me
02:13<student_>i'm paweł kopciuch
02:13<student_>in lubaczow of poland
02:13<Snapser>student, go away.
02:13<student_>you me
02:13<student_>mada faka
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02:13<Snapser>student, English only please.
02:13<student_>girls i have girls and your pupen i machen
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02:14<eins7ein>I get the following error: checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
02:14<eins7ein>What should I do to fix this
02:14<Snapser>The intarweb is getting scaries~!
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02:14<Snapser>you might need C headers
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02:14<eins7ein>how would I get those
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02:15<student>hi guys
02:15<Snapser>look for the C dev packages in aptitude
02:15<student>is hier any gay
02:15<eins7ein>which ones should I go after
02:15<Snapser>eins7ein, libc-dev or something like that...
02:16<Snapser>eins7ein, to search in aptitude, type /, then type the keywords
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02:16<Snapser>eins7ein, then use N to go to the next result
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02:17<Snapser>eins7ein, try libc6-dev
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02:18<Snapser>eins7ein, then try configuring again
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02:20<Aciid>Hey , how can I install software from .deb file as normal user.
02:21<Aciid>dpkg seems to require root priviledges
02:21<thijs>sudo dpkg
02:21<Aciid>im not allowed i think
02:21<Aciid>im using a shell, so im thinking is it possible to extract the archive
02:21<Aciid>without installing
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02:22<thijs>i dont no
02:22<thijs>ik login always as root
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02:27<eins7ein>how do you search in aptitude again?
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02:30<Snapser>use /
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02:30<Snapser>then you can use multiple keywords, regular expressions, etc
02:31<Snapser>e.g. "ice grease" returns the iceweasel greasemonkey extension
02:31<Snapser>to navigate, use N (next)
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03:51<ted>hello, i'm on debian etch and i like to change the usplash theme there. I always get the testcard, even when i install the debian theme
03:52<ted>is there a working howto about it? or should I use splashy instead?
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03:56<serge>Hello! The default version of gcc in Etch is 4.1.2, I installed v 3.4 also and I need to use this version to build some software. Which way I can tell the system to use gcc v.3.4 for now?
03:57<azeem>serge: usually it suffices to set the CC environment variable to /usr/bin/gcc-3.4
03:58<serge>thank you, azeem
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03:59<serge>it seems I've just forgotten it... :)
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04:03<enkrypt>what is the debian xorg channel?
04:04<azeem>this one here
04:04<azeem>unless you want to provide patches
04:04<enkrypt>I'm having a HUGE xorg memory leak at the moment
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04:04<enkrypt>xorg is using between 500 and 600mb of my 1gb ram
04:04<enkrypt>xrestop shows nothing that causes it
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04:05<enkrypt>fresh unstable with xorg 7.3 xserver 1.4 and nvidia binary drivers (latest) on amd64
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04:05<enkrypt>there were leaks in xorg 7.2 too, but way smaller than it is now in 7.3
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04:06<eins7ein>I have a driver I am trying to configure and compile that says it requires a curses library what does this mean
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04:07<enkrypt>apt-get install libncurses5-dev
04:07<enkrypt>eins7ein ^^
04:08<eins7ein>That fixed it right up tahnk you
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04:16<yang>weasel: around ?
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04:22<yang>is this manual still a valid raid installation procedure for lenny
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04:27<bzed>yang: the link you've provided has a confuding title, it is out of date since long before etch, and it doesn;t use the fake-raid stuff from your bios but md raid instead
04:27<yang>bzed: I allready have a debian installation on one drive, I would like to put the second drive into raid, so how can I use debian installer if I dont want to format both drives?
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04:28<bzed>yang: that would mean to create a degraded raid on the other drive, copy the data and attach the old disk to the raid set after that.
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04:30<yang>bzed: so I can still boot into debian installed and only create RAID
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04:31<bzed>yang: if you don;t know how all that works you probably want to find somebody who makes allchenges for you, or you use the installer to setup a raid set (which means making a backput and copying your data back afterwards).
04:31<bzed>yang: just making a raid out of somethign existing is nothing you can do on the fly.
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04:32<bzed>yang: probably just use your new disks for backups, much more easy if you don't know how to do it
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04:35<yang>bzed: what I am asking is , can i use the debian installer to only create software raid volume on the second drive...?
04:36<bzed>yang: if you have a runnign system you don;t need the installer for that.
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04:36<yang>so i would need a different manual like that one from the url before
04:36<bzed>yang: install mdadm and read the manpage
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04:55<weasel>yang: ?
04:56<weasel>yang: why not ask the channel if you have questions?
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05:14<xayon>I'm trying to package my own sources, it's a perl script so it dont need to compile in the makefile but when i type make install it installs ok but in the package there are only a "/usr/share/doc" folder ... with copyright and changelog
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05:18<w00ter>Hiya, I currently have an AMD X2 4200+ in my machine, which will get upgraded to a Opteron 180. Both CPU's are AMD. Will thise cause any issues in my Debian Etch install? Its running kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64
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05:22<padski>w00ter: will changing the cpu cause any issues ? I would have thought the change from X2 to opteron would be fine, but obviously I haven't done it myself. you might want to think about what you will do if there is a problem (do you have backups, do you have a boot disk handy, etc...):-)
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05:24<w00ter>padski - thanks for the advice, will do that. The reason why i asked is in the early days i started to use Linux, i once caused kernel panic by swapping my CPU from intel to AMD. Now i understand that kernels are made sepperatly for amd, intel etc, so i guess thats what caused the kernel panic. Wassnt sure if it also registerd the type of cpu or so, or if an amd kernel would just work without a issue if the socket and brand stay the same
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05:25<Gromitt>w00ter: AMD X2 and Opteron are the same arch.
05:26<Gromitt>w00ter: And, if I am not wrong, the used optimizations are the same.
05:26<w00ter>k, thanks Gromitt, then i think its pretty save to say that i should be able to swap the cpu's without a problem
05:26<Gromitt>w00ter: between Intel and AMD are some differences in the optimizations, therefor, I think, you got some kernelpanics.
05:27<w00ter>ic ic
05:27<w00ter>Thanks for the info!
05:27<padski>w00ter: I tend to keep a 486 kernel hanging about just in case. you never know when the mobo will die and you'll have to bring up the system by putting the disk in another machine. (not that it is hard to do with a boot disk)
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05:27<Gromitt>w00ter: I think so, but it always a good decision to have backups.
05:27<w00ter>ye i'll first image the machine before i procede with swapping the cpu's :)
05:27<padski>Gromitt: you can't go wrong recommending backups, thats what I always say ;-)
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05:28<padski>w00ter: and when it all just works, you'll wonder why you were so worried ;-)
05:29<w00ter>padski: Linux still holds alot of dark corners for me, sometimes its still a mystry to me why stuff behaves like it does, so i'm kinda prepaired for anythin :P
05:30<Gromitt>padski: :)
05:31<padski>w00ter: there are many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, even with a simple linux system. it is not until you've done most of them that you really start to feel at home ;-)
05:31<w00ter>After the CPU upgrade i'll have a next advanture. Trying to re-compile the kernel with some optimalisations for the game servers *drum rolls* :)
05:32<w00ter>true, but i do feel more and more at home every day
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05:32<Gromitt>w00ter: thats fine. :)
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05:34<padski>w00ter: enjoy!
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05:35<w00ter>tnx :>
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05:37<xayon>Hi there again, I'll post the makefile, Could anyoune tell me if there is any error on it?
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05:38<cojack>some one know how to conntact with ops from debian-pl?
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05:40<panagos>is there a way to see when a particular version of a package was created/uploaded?
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05:41<panagos>anywhere :)
05:41<cojack>of sources.list?
05:42<panagos>i don't understand you...
05:42<panagos>say for example i want to know when ardour version 1:2.0.5-1 was released. how can i find that out?
05:43<cojack>and look on the official site off this prg ?
05:44<panagos>cojack: is there no apt way?
05:45<cojack>if this prg have readmy with him self :F
05:46<cojack>anyway, I don't know any comand to check te version about relased
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05:46<cojack>and I don't know if any prg have this, or it have any history
05:46<cojack>about relased
05:46<panagos>ok, thanks!
05:47<cojack>np, and sory for my bad english
05:47<padski>panagos: see
05:47<Gardin>hi all, i have problems booting my Dell M6300-laptop computer with the latest week build of the amd64-version of etch, i've pasted the last part of the dmesg output here: it seems there is some problem with the hda_intel-driver, does anyone have a solution? :) thanks in regards
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05:48<yang>are there any special hacks when using RADI+crypto+LVM ?
05:48<padski>panagos: 2007-08-07 Accepted 1:2.0.5-1 in unstable (low)
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05:48<cojack>why the anyone use debian on laptop...
05:48<padski>yang: ispell ? ;-)
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05:50<panagos>padski: how come ardour isn't in testing?
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05:50<padski>panagos: see the same page "Testing status"
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05:50<padski>panagos: and the "Check Why" link
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05:59<cojack>k cya guys
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06:00[~]calimero hello
06:01[~]calimero I have some probleme. are any french is here ?
06:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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06:09<sheldonh>i'm starting to get nervous about CVE-2007-4131. the security tracker and the bug aren't seeing traffic. would hold-ups be discussed on a public mailing list whose archives i can inspect for details?
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06:13<the_bull>hello all
06:14<the_bull>i cannot play sound in my acer aspire
06:14<the_bull>using debian etch
06:14<the_bull>soundcard: onboard
06:14<the_bull>please help me...
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06:15<thierry>so debian won't boot (halts after uncompresing kernel bit) when my external harddrive is attached and switched on! when it's off, it boots normally.
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06:16<thierry>has anyone got a clue what the problem could be?
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06:17<padski>sheldonh: this would be "Directory traversal vulnerability in the contains_dot_dot function"
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06:18<the_bull>is there anyone who can help me with sound problem
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06:20<the_bull>is there anyone who can help me with sound issue in my laptop?
06:20<sheldonh>padski: yup
06:20<the_bull>is there any one who can help me?
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06:21<vortex>the_bull: what model laptop?
06:22<the_bull>vortex, Acer Aspire 5602 wlmi
06:23<vortex>the_bull: can you pastbin the output of lspci?
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06:23<neosix>hello peple!!!
06:24<the_bull>vortex, sure
06:24<neosix>I have problem with Exaile!!!
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06:24<the_bull>vortex, where will i paste the output?
06:25<neosix>Equalizer won't work! And I can't find solution...
06:26<neosix>Can enybody help me?
06:26<JasonS>!tell neosix about ask
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06:31<the_bull>vortex, sended...
06:32<the_bull>vortex, i mean..pasted
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06:34<vortex>the_bull: lsmod
06:34<vortex>and see if intel hd audio is listed
06:34<neosix>I'm using Debian etch. I installed exaile, and when I try to open equalizer I see this message:Gstreamer equalizer is not available. It can be found in gstreamer-plugins-bad (currently found in GST CVS)
06:35<neosix>I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad from synaptic but nothig
06:36<the_bull>vortex, lsmod sended/posted
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06:37<vortex>ok then start up alsamixer and make sure the card isnt muted
06:37<vortex>it will show [MM] below the channel if it is muted
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06:41<padski>sheldonh: the source in lenny seems to build ok (including passes the test suite) on etch. I can't see a tar in bpo. the place to ask would be the debian-security list, I guess. tar could be exposed to remote attack in spam and malware scanning, so I agree it is worrying. perhaps the security team have overlooked that angle and not considered it high enough priority (although I doubt that, and the tracker says high).
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06:44<the_bull>vortex, nothing is muted
06:44<padski>sheldonh: although, whether there would be anyway to exploit any scanner in debian ... I would hope not. but then I don't expect to see "Directory traversal vulnerability in the contains_dot_dot function" in something as basic as tar in 2007 ;-)
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06:48<marc_>coud someone point me to a howto on going from a stable release to testing
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06:49<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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06:55<vortex>hmm, coulda sworn that used to work
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06:56<Vakio>!alsa one-liner
06:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer
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06:58<vortex>the_bull: ^^
06:58<bartm>sometimes alsa is easier to use than the dpkg bot :p
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07:16<the_bull>vortex, yep!
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07:17<the_bull>vortex, how can you help me?
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07:18<vortex>the_bull: is it still not working?
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07:18<the_bull>vortex, nah!
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07:19<vortex>what is the hardware ID that shows up in alsamixer?
07:20<dannys>i use a konversation and i want to see all chanels how i do?
07:20<the_bull>vortex, cannot get your point
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07:22<bartm>dannys: what is konversation? an chat program?
07:22<vortex>the_bull: run alsamixer and where it says Chip and Card, what do those say?
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07:23<esaym>Man I love debian. Linux is a good program
07:23<the_bull>Card: HDA Intel ││ Chip: Realtek ALC883
07:24<bartm>dannys: I use xchat
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07:24<the_bull>vortex, i hv just did it
07:24<the_bull>vortex, Card: HDA Intel ││ Chip: Realtek ALC883
07:24<vortex>the_bull: ah, the Realtek chipset isnt fully support in the mainline ALSA yet
07:25<vortex>there are a setof patches floating around that fix it though
07:25<dannys>ok bartm
07:25<vortex>the_bull: gimme a few minutes and ill hunt them down
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07:25<the_bull>vortex, it will be really nice.. if you can do something
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07:26<dannys>why everytime i login in debian i must run alsaconf?
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07:28<bartm>dannys: maybe for loading kernel modules? compare the output of lsmod before and after using alsaconf
07:28<bartm>dannys: but I'm just guessing here :)
07:29<vortex>is the acer patch info
07:30<the_bull>vortex, lemme check...dude
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07:31<the_bull>vortex, what will i do now?
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07:32<vortex>goto a build directory
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07:33<vortex>apt-get source alsa-base
07:33<vortex>download the acer.patch
07:33<vortex>go into the alsa source directory
07:34<padski>I'm looking at gnash. gnash is waiting for boost to go into testing. updating boost makes 37 depending packages uninstallable. but gnash doesn;t even have a versioned depends on boost. Is it correct that it wouldn't matter if the source for gnash in sid would compile and install on lenny correctly right now, gnash will have to wait for the boost that was in sid when it was built to get into lenny before gnash can go ???
07:34<vortex>hmm one sec, there is a newer patch
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07:36<vortex>the_bull: try downloading the new version of alsa from and building it form source
07:36<vortex>it seems the patch was merged
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07:50<padski>I'm looking at gnash. gnash is waiting for boost to go into testing. updating boost makes 37 depending packages uninstallable. but gnash doesn;t even have a versioned depends on boost. Is it correct that it wouldn't matter if the source for gnash in sid would compile and install on lenny correctly right now, gnash will have to wait for the boost that was in sid when it was built to get into lenny before gnash can go ???
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07:50<rummeldibummel>can i use emerald themes without beryl or compiz?
07:51<padski>rummeldibummel: I thought emerald was a beryl/compiz thing
07:51<vortex|work>it is
07:51<rummeldibummel>yeah but i dont want beryl or compiz. i only want to use emerald themes
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07:52<rummeldibummel>isn't it possible?
07:52<padski>rummeldibummel: dunno. try it
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07:53<rummeldibummel>but maybe there's somethime like an emulator
07:53<Aleric>How can I force (test) a renewal of my dhcp of the dhclient?
07:53<chealer>padski: yes
07:53<nicholas>Hello. How should my debian/rules create /etc/rc?.d/ links to the /etc/init.d/ scripts? I don't see any dh_rc or such.
07:53<jm_>nicholas: by calling update-rc.d
07:54<nicholas>jm_: at actual install time then?
07:54<sheldonh>padski: if i'd like to voice my concern about the severity of the hole, do i comment on the bug, or contact the security team directly?
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07:55<jm_>nicholas: yes,
07:55<nicholas>thank you jm_
07:55<padski>sheldonh: I do not know the answer to that one. personally I would prefer such things to happen in public, but I can understand that sometimes people think that there are good reasons to do them in private.
07:56<padski>sheldonh: certainly mail of this nature does turn up on the debian-security list. it is generally replied to quickly, albieit that the reply is mostly "we know".
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07:57<tophinus>hi everyone, I search for a "shell" which can automatically answer to a question (like a password). I don't remember its name, it should be except but i don't find it. can anyone help me ?
07:57<jm_>expect, not except
07:57<tophinus>thank you
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07:58<jpa>hello i habe a problem with my thunderbird. when i want it to start it shows "./ line 131: 3693 Speicherzugriffsfehler "$prog" ${1+"$@"}".
07:58<jpa>i even reinstalled it but it doesnt work
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07:59<padski>sheldonh: I think one positive effect of doing the ping in public, must be that it saves repeated private messages.
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07:59<jm_>jpa: what does that mean in english?
07:59<sheldonh>padski: yeah, that's the only reason i'd do it in public (and why i'd do it on the bug if nobody here has a strong opinion against it)
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08:00<jpa>it means something like accesserror
08:00<jm_>use LANG=C and run it again
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08:03<Vakio>jpa: run "LANG=C thunderbird".
08:03<Vakio>(Without the quotes.)
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08:05<jpa>./ line 131: 4746 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
08:05<jpa>is the error
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08:06<jm_>double quality :)
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08:07<padski>sheldonh: tricky. the bug is fixed in the maintainer tree. if the patch is fairly trivial (I haven't looked, but I'll bet it is), then I don't know whether the maintainer gets involved in the security release (I know they do sometimes). At the very least, this question is already asked and answered in the bug, but not on debian-security (afaics). any way you look at, more than two weeks has elapsed since anything was said.
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08:07<jpa>that means for me @ Vakio ?
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08:08<Vakio>jpa: hm?
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08:08<padski>.co is that columbia ?
08:08<jpa>what do i habe to do.
08:09<Vakio>jpa: is your home directory full?
08:09<jm_>padski: grep CO /usr/share/zoneinfo/
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08:09<padski>jm_: thank you :-)
08:10<jpa>when i right click on it it says free space 8,2 gb
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08:11<padski>jm_: are there any more like .uk (the iso code being GB) ?
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08:11<Vakio>jpa: has Thunderbird worked before?
08:12<jpa>yes and i didnt changed something..
08:12<jpa>but now it shows me this
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08:13<Lounge_>enigmail work well with sha-512 in thunderbird?
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08:13<Vakio>jpa: I would try renaming the profile directory and see if it starts then.
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08:13<jpa>i deleted the directory but even then it doesnt work
08:14<jm_>padski: good question
08:14<Vakio>jpa: did you delete all your mail with your profile directory?
08:14<padski>padski: istr there was a .gb domain at one time apparently
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08:15<jpa>not really just moved the directory to another folder
08:15<jpa>but it doesnt help
08:15<Vakio>Ok, good.
08:15<Vakio>(The not-deleting-your-mail part, not the doesn't-help part.)
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08:16<jm_>padski: says UK is exceptionally reserved
08:17<padski>jm_: stiff upper lip and all that ;-)
08:17<padski>jm_: that is priceless :-)
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08:18<Aleric>RULE 4 -- ACCEPT IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:14:f1:e7:41:5d:08:00 SRC= DST= LEN=346 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=24339 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=326
08:19<Aleric>I am flooded with this almost... one per second
08:19<Aleric>Can someone tell me what it means?
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08:19<jm_>Aleric: probably DHCP or BOOTP
08:20<Aleric>jm_: Yes it is - but why so many packets?
08:20<jm_>Aleric: hard to say, maybe because there's no reply and it's in panic mode
08:21<padski>I see that the whole of Xx is user assigned. I find it amazing they would reassign codes when there is so much room left.
08:21<Aleric>Sep 27 15:18:39 ansset kernel: RULE 3 -- ACCEPT IN= OUT=eth1 SRC=(my IP) DST= LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
08:21<Aleric>That is a reply, no?
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08:22<Aleric>I'm going to reboot, see what happens :/
08:22<jm_>looks like it - try looking at it in wireshark
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08:28<Aleric> renew 5 2007/9/28 18:50:26;
08:28<Aleric>I rebooted and it renewed the lease...
08:28<joxzank>how are you today
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08:28<Aleric>I called the help-desk of my ISP before asking here... they told me: You have internet right now - so we can't help you.
08:29<Aleric>Talking about dhcp was going too deep into the system ... geesh
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08:31<Aleric>It is STILL flooding me with the packets though :/
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08:36<padski>Aleric: what do the packets say ?
08:36<Supaplex>Aleric: I see computers
08:36<Aleric>padski: I'd like to know...
08:37<Aleric>How can I examine the content of the packets, and see what they mean?
08:37<padski>Aleric: wireshark or even tcpdump
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08:38<Aleric>um, how would that work?
08:38<padski>they know about dhcp packets and would tell you a little about what they say
08:39<padski>Supaplex: ACK
08:39<Supaplex>Aleric: install it, study help+man page or two, run, enjoy
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08:40<padski>Aleric: anyways. where are they coming from these packets ? i missed that bit.
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08:40<Aleric>My cable modem - dhcp server
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08:40<Aleric>I am worried about them because in the past month I lost my IP twice, and got a new IP.
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08:42<petemc>are you supposed to have a static ip?
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08:42<padski>Aleric: I have something like that and I sometimes find I can't get the dhcp sessino to happen without something pretty harsh like a reboot (I've been mucking about with up'ing and down'ing the interface, but I forget where I got up to)
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08:43<Aleric>padski: Interesting. It renewed the lease fine when I rebooted too - here.
08:43<Aleric>I dont' feel like rebooting the firewall every 24 hours though :/
08:44<padski>Aleric: I have systems that are setup to reboot themselves as a last resort if they can't get connected or whatever.
08:45<Supaplex>Aleric: assuming all things are suppose to work, it would seem your client is misconfigured. if that's not the case, I suspect wiping out the dhcp client state file, and restarting the client might give you similar results to rebooting
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08:45<padski>but they can be a real pain sometimes
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08:48<Aleric>Xlib: connection to "hikaru:0.0" refused by server
08:48<Aleric>I forgot again how to do this with ssh :/
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08:48<Supaplex>ssh -X
08:48<Aleric>I how can I run wireshark on ansset and display the window on hikaru?
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08:49<Aleric>Supaplex: execute that on ansset or on hikaru?
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08:49<Supaplex>execute on remote, display local
08:50<padski>Aleric: ssh -X from hikaru to annsset
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08:50<Aleric>The program 'wireshark' received an X Window System error.
08:51<Aleric>The error was 'BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)'.
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08:51<Supaplex>does the program run, or is that why it stopped? xclients emmit noise all the time and they run fine
08:52<Aleric>If I run gnome-terminal, it opens the window on hikaru's display...
08:52<Aleric>But wireshard doesn't want to start :/
08:52<Aleric>No, it stops after that error. Doesn't run
08:52<Supaplex>try ssh -vX
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08:52<padski>Aleric: not all progs work across the network with X but I'd be disappointed if wireshark doesn't
08:52<Supaplex>you need xauth installed on the remote host
08:53<padski>Aleric: mid you I normally use tcpdump -s0 -w log and then copy the log back
08:54<Aleric>padski: Now change your password :p
08:54<padski>Aleric: done already
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08:54<padski>This proves it. I really need to stop using passwords :-)
08:55<Aleric>I got it working, I had to ssh -X root@ansset didn't do the root part
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08:56<kwadronaut>wii aleric
08:56<Aleric>Um, now what do I do?
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08:57<Aleric>Anyone who knows wireshark? How can I see those packets: Sep 27 15:54:56 ansset kernel: RULE 4 -- ACCEPT IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:14:f1:e7:41:5d:08:00 SRC= DST= LEN=346 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=17624 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=326
08:57<Supaplex>wait for it break I suppose
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08:58<Supaplex>how many interfaces are on the router?
08:58<Supaplex>a pre-up line in the interfaces file might work better than waiting on wireshark. (untested; provided the interface is present, regardless if it's configured). pre-up /usr/local/sbin/
08:58<Supaplex> tcpdump -i $IFACE -s 0 -w /var/log/dhcpdump.$(date "+%s") udp port 67 or port 68 &>/var/log/dhcpdump.messages &
08:59<Dargor>hey guys, anyone used "split", ive split a file and trying to put it together with `cat part*`, it keeps giving files with different md5sums.
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09:00<Supaplex>Dargor: all the time. are they being catted in order?
09:00<Supaplex>try head -vc 1 part* | less
09:00<Dargor>should be
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09:01<Dargor>their in alphabetical order
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09:02<Aleric>Ok, I got wireshark to catch a packet...
09:02<Dargor>what should `head -vc 1 part* | less` be doing
09:02<Aleric>It doesn't tell me what is going wrong though :/
09:02<Supaplex>you mean they're - but no matter. humm they should be. try md5sums from the slices,
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09:03<Supaplex>Aleric: evidence tells you the facts, it's up to you to research and decide what it means
09:03<Aleric>It says: DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0x22634bc8
09:03<padski>Dargor: man head
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09:04<Dargor>yes but `man head` doesnt tell me why i want to look at the first part of the files, was that just to tell me if they were in order using *
09:05<Supaplex>yes Dargor, that's the idea
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09:05<Dargor>why would md5sums of the slices be interesting.
09:06<Supaplex>the first part of the file wasn't important. the -v part is because it'll tell you very clearly what order head saw the commandline expansion in. cat should see the same order, but won't tell you what files it's operating on. granted, there may be a -v switch for cat, but I'm not going to read the man page for it if I know something else quick and effective
09:06<Supaplex>compare before+after
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09:07<Supaplex>if one slice went bad, the md5sum on that slice would be tainted, and will effect the md5 of the final output
09:08<Supaplex>and was that a question, or a comment? "why" implies a question, but "." is not "?"
09:09<Dargor>question, are the slices were talking about the "part*" files i have or something else.
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09:10<nubbun>Where is a document which tells me about how to adjust what runs in which runlevel using a tool rather than changing links 'by hand'? I had found a document, but have lost it.
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09:13<techbee>nubbun: man update-rc.d
09:14<nubbun>thanks, techbee
09:15<Aleric>I think I figured out what it is :*)
09:16<Aleric>I see the broadcasts of the dhcp server to all other clients!
09:16<Aleric>These packets are offers to OTHER clients.
09:16<Supaplex>Dargor: yes, no not something else
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09:20<padski>Aleric: what other clients ?
09:20<Aleric>padski: Of this area I guess - my ISP sucks.
09:20<Aleric>I'd never send those packets to everyone if I were them.
09:21<Aleric>Apparently they run a dhcp server somewhere for a whole neighborhood - and it's broadcast packets are sent to everyone.
09:21<padski>Aleric: it is slightly odd. I assume you don;t see the rest of your neighbours traffic
09:22<Aleric>I don't
09:22<padski>Aleric: I've had a dedicated server on a hub before. its an odd feeling.
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09:24<Aleric>Rejecting email at the firewall really works I see... the number of spams has dropped to virtually zero.
09:24<Aleric>ansset:/home/carlo>grep EMAIL /var/log/messages | wc --lines
09:24<Aleric>ansset:/home/carlo>grep SPAMMER /var/log/messages | wc --lines
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09:25<Aleric>That used to be 10 times as large as the number of emails.
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09:32<klaes_>hey, anybody else using pidgin for irc? or does that just really not work
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09:34<Klaes>well, im on both ways right now, this is with pidgin, the problem is that i cant see anything of what people write, lol
09:34<Dargor>supaplex - yay on the 7th attempt its correct.
09:34<Supaplex>Dargor: hehe :)
09:35<Supaplex>Dargor: so what happened?
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09:36<padski>Klaes: tried it the other day, gave up before I'd figured how to get it working
09:36<Dargor>just running `cat part* >> final`. on the 7th attempt the md5sum matched what it should
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09:37<Klaes>lol, ok then... ill try a bit more then and see what happens, its kinda weird to type in pidgin and then see the messages in xchat.... only private messages works so i can see them...
09:37<Supaplex>wow. very strange.
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09:38<Supaplex>Dargor: do you really trust that hardware/network/disk?
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09:39<Dargor>all on the one disk, its not that old, but it makes funny noises when i run diablo2.
09:39<kwadronaut>Klaes: i've used it ages ago for irc. it worked just fine. i don't use it anymore because of colors and taste ;-)
09:39<kurumin>Alguem fala porgugues aqui?
09:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:40<Dargor>a raid aray would be nice.
09:40<Supaplex>Dargor: a trusty pc would be to.
09:41<Dargor>mine is trusty, usualy.
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09:48<klaes_>kwadronaut: haha, right then :) well, i suppose it might be a newly come problem then, or its just whatever else... anyways, ill just use this then :)
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09:51<eSa|>hi, is anyone running gimp 2.4-rc? I've noticed a missing Exit menu item from the file menu and crashes
09:51<eSa|>is there a -dbg package available?
09:53<Vakio>eSa|: gimp-dbg
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09:54<v4mpire>hey anys any chance of some help getting my soundcard installed ?
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09:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:55<cahoot>yhe installer didn't do it for you? v4mpire
09:55<v4mpire>yhe ?
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09:55<v4mpire>im not sure exactly what it is but the installer i got didn't work
09:56<v4mpire>how can i check what card it is ?
09:56<cahoot>v4mpire, I meant the debian installer
09:56<v4mpire>oh no it didn't
09:57<eSa|>Vakio, thank you. Just noticed the missing menu item has gone away on latest -rc3
09:57<cahoot>v4mpire, do you have any idea at all what kind of device it is? pci? on board? usb?
09:57<v4mpire>all i know it is for deff is realtek soundmax...
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09:57<v4mpire>its onboard
09:58<chealer>v4mpire: try # discover sound
09:58<cahoot>v4mpire, does it show up in lspci -v ?
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09:59<v4mpire>it doesn't show up in lspci and using discover sound returns nothing
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10:01<v4mpire>well " Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio" comes up in lspci
10:01<v4mpire>but i now its realtek
10:01<chealer>v4mpire: how do you know?
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10:01<v4mpire>as i did have this system setup on windows
10:02<cahoot>v4mpire, what kernel? uname -r
10:02<chealer>v4mpire: and it had a realtek *sound card*, not a network card, right?
10:02<v4mpire>ir has realtek soundcard and network card
10:03<cahoot>v4mpire, what gives if you modprobe snd-hda-intel?
10:03<chealer>v4mpire: what's the motherboard?
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10:04<v4mpire>its an abit NF-M2S mobo
10:05<v4mpire>could not find snd-hda-intel.ko
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10:05<Vakio>There was someone else with a similar sound card earlier today.
10:05<v4mpire>its a reltek HD soundcard
10:06<cahoot>v4mpire, I'm quite sure it needs snd-hda-intel
10:06<Vakio>We had a theory (somewhat supported by Google) that the alsa-base version in Lenny should work.
10:06<Vakio>But I'm not sure whether he tried it.
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10:06<cahoot>v4mpire, is this debian at all?
10:06<v4mpire>yes its debian
10:06<v4mpire>want sysinfo ?
10:07<v4mpire>where would i find snd-hda-intel ?
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10:08<kwadronaut>v4mpire: have you tried alsa 1.0.15rc3 ?
10:08<cahoot>I thought it was part of the kernel pkg you have - might be confused though
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10:11<cahoot>/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko according to pdo
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10:12<v4mpire>WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko': No such file or directory
10:13<v4mpire>FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko': No such file or directory
10:13<v4mpire>kwadronaut, no i haven't
10:15<kwadronaut>i would personally suggest grabbing kernel drivers, library and plugins and building the stuff together yourself until current stuff gets into more stable branches.
10:15<kwadronaut>don't take the hg nightly builds, just the 1.0.15rc3
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10:16<kwadronaut>(if you want to use alsa of course)
10:16<v4mpire>where would i find the stuff i need ?
10:16<cahoot>does /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci even exist?
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10:18<chealer>v4mpire: which version of linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 do you have?
10:18<v4mpire>no cahoot
10:18<v4mpire>chealer, how do i check again its been a while
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10:19<chealer>v4mpire: do you have a favorite package manager?
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10:19<v4mpire>i got synamtic
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10:19<chealer>v4mpire: just search for the package, it should be obvious
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10:24<v4mpire>thats the version of linux-image
10:24<chealer>v4mpire: up to where can you go in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ ?
10:24<chealer>v4mpire: yes
10:24<v4mpire>i can go up to /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound
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10:25<chealer>v4mpire: OK, what does that contain?
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10:26<v4mpire>core drivers i2c isa oss pcmcia soundcore.ko synth usb
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10:30<chealer>v4mpire: what does $ dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7|grep linux; output?
10:31<v4mpire>i linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2 Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD K7
10:31<chealer>v4mpire: are you sure you didn't miss the first character?
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10:31<v4mpire>its 2 i's
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10:32<v4mpire>ii linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2 Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD K7
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10:34<chealer>v4mpire: does $ debsums -s linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7; output anything?
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10:36<v4mpire>bash: debsums: command not found
10:36<chealer>v4mpire: install debsums
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10:38<v4mpire>no such directory on everything it looked for as looking in sound/pci
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10:39<chealer>v4mpire: what? you're talking about debsums's output?
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10:43<v4mpire>chealer, it was searching the none existing dir
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10:43<v4mpire>debsums: can't open linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 file /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ymfpci/snd-ymfpci.ko (No such file or directory)
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10:44<cahoot>I'd try reinstall the kernel
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10:44<chealer>v4mpire: I'm curious. there's no error for anything outside /sound/pci/ ?
10:45<chealer>v4mpire: are you sure you didn't do...a bad manipulation with that folder?
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10:46<v4mpire>meaning ?
10:46<chealer>v4mpire: like, removing it?
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10:47<chealer>v4mpire: in that case I recommend you run debsums on the whole system ($ debsums -s)
10:48<v4mpire>debsums: can't open libasound2 file /usr/lib/ (No such file or directory) so far
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10:49<v4mpire>the rest is the pci dir again
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10:49<chealer>v4mpire: nothing else?
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10:52<chealer>anyone saw something like v4mpire's problem? Etch system missing only /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ and /usr/lib/
10:53<posix>is the stock etch kernel compiled for bootsplash?
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10:53<cahoot>chealer, IIRC someone had this problem a few weeks ago
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10:54<chealer>posix: no
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10:54<chealer>cahoot: interesting. do you remember who it was?
10:55<cahoot>chealer, no but I think dondelelcaro helped him out
10:55<chealer>v4mpire: did you install any software not distributed in Debian 4.0 on this system?
10:55<posix>chealer: ah coo
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10:56<v4mpire>chealer, i tryed installing some soundcard drivers from realtek
10:57<chealer>v4mpire: ah
10:57<chealer>v4mpire: reinstall libasound2 and linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7.
10:57<chealer>cahoot: thanks anyway
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11:01<v4mpire> The modules list is quite likely to have been changed, and the modules dependency file /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/modules.dep needs to be re-built
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11:03<v4mpire>guys do i actually need to reboot now or is it ok for a min ?
11:03<cahoot>no need reboot
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11:03<v4mpire>sound/pci exists now
11:04<v4mpire>debsums -s returns nothing
11:04<cahoot>run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
11:05<v4mpire>ALSA OSS or default ?
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11:05<cahoot>I'd pick alsa
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11:06<cahoot>does /proc/asound exist now?
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11:09<cahoot>test sound with aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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11:11<v4mpire>ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
11:11<v4mpire>first line of errors
11:11<cahoot>ok modprobe snd.hda-intel
11:11<cahoot> modprobe snd-hda-intel
11:12<v4mpire>returned nothing
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11:12<cahoot>test sound with aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
11:12<v4mpire>same error again
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11:12<cahoot>try invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
11:13<v4mpire>same error when i try aplay again
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11:14<cahoot>but the force-reload didn't complain?
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11:14<cahoot>are you member of audio?
11:14<v4mpire>huh ?
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11:14<cahoot>are you member of audio group - id would tell
11:14<hypn0tek>hi all
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11:15<v4mpire>uid=1000(v4mpire) gid=1000(v4mpire) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev),1000(v4mpire)
11:16<cahoot>v4mpire, cat /proc/asound/cards
11:16<v4mpire>- - - no soundcards - - -
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11:18<chealer>v4mpire: I don't really understand why a mobo with a realtek sound chip would only show a NVIDIA sound chip, but I suggest trying with ALSA >= 1.0.14 RC3, presumably. with Linux 2.6.21 or 2.6.22. you can try linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7 from testing or linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 from unstable.
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11:19<v4mpire>i have no idea either but the soundcard drivers are for a realtek soundcard
11:19<v4mpire>all sound control for it is realtek
11:19<v4mpire>windows drivers tho
11:20<cahoot>v4mpire, another thing is the other drivers you installed - are those removed?
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11:20<v4mpire>no idea
11:20<cahoot>they might incapacitate alsa
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11:22<v4mpire>where would i find them to remove them
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11:22<Vakio>Hopefully they came with some uninstall function.
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11:22<Vakio>That's why you don't install things past the package management :)
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11:23<Supaplex>hello /usr/local or even /opt
11:23<v4mpire>only an install candidate
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11:27<cahoot>anything suspiciouslooking listed in lsmod?
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11:27<Supaplex>rootkit.ko ;)
11:27<v4mpire>its from realtek
11:27<cahoot>no that is what I have too
11:28<v4mpire>nothin suspicioes there
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11:30<cahoot>v4mpire, does the realtek pkg say anything about what it installs?
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11:31<v4mpire>want me t upload the readme for u to have a look ?
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11:33<Tw4t>does anyone know, howto get the mozzila search bar back to white, when using a black gnome theme? i googled this with no prevail.
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11:33<smulcahy>hi, i'm after adding a new partition with cfdisk and it has added ok
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11:34<smulcahy>when i exit cfdisk, i can't see a device for the new partition in /dev
11:34<smulcahy>do i need to restart udev or something to get it to show up?
11:34<smulcahy>thanks for any help
11:34<Aleric>You might need to reboot
11:34<smulcahy>yeah, i'd prefer to avoid it
11:34<smulcahy>and it seemed to pick up an earlier partition i created
11:35<Aleric>The kernel is often (normally) not syncing with the new partition table for some reason.
11:35<smulcahy>i've come across this before and resorted to rebooting but was wondering am i missing something
11:35<smulcahy>so this is a known prob?
11:35<Aleric>I don't know, all I know is that if I change the partition table with fdisk, it always warns me that something failed and that I have to reboot
11:36<cahoot>v4mpire, this thread kind of describes your problem - no?
11:36<smulcahy>ah yes, i see that a lot for my primary disk but in this case cfdisk didn't warn me about needing to reboot
11:36<smulcahy>maybe if i try parted instead of cfdisk?
11:38[~]fxiny celebrates SCOX delisting
11:38<fxiny>so who's next ? :P
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11:40<Tw4t>fxiny, how can i use a black gnome theme without it turning the google search bar black?
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11:40<v4mpire>worth a try cahoot
11:40<smulcahy>any other takers on the missing partition?
11:41<v4mpire>but cahoot it never actually installed i just remembered it errored
11:42<Tw4t>smulcahy, why dont u use gparted?
11:42<smulcahy>i'd prefer to not reboot the system
11:42<smulcahy>if i reboot i'm sure the drive will appear
11:42<smulcahy>just wondering why its not appearing automatically after partitioning
11:42<Tw4t>apt-get gparted
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11:43<Tw4t>cfdisk is lame
11:44<smulcahy>sure, i'm using parted now
11:44<smulcahy>same difference
11:44<fxiny>Tw4t: i'm runnig icewilly redshift black theme atm . fluxbox . google bar is black , yes . what's the problem on having a black google search bar ? try setting your screen : push the contrast up
11:44<smulcahy>but, why is cfdisk lame?
11:44<Tw4t>fxiny, because a black bar here means black bars everywhere, like hotmail and i cant see anything
11:45<fxiny>Tw4t: so that one is a bad black theme
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11:45<fxiny>just dump it
11:45<Tw4t>all black themes are the same
11:46<v4mpire>cahoot, i tryed the realtek install now it worked
11:46<v4mpire>and tyed doing thi
11:46<v4mpire>here /isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device
11:46<v4mpire>in the kernel/sound dir
11:46<Tw4t>this needs looking into, Coz this realy sucks
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11:48<fxiny>Tw4t: i'm using a modified silver slack/flux theme . everything else is black , silver on black is perfect for me
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11:49<Tw4t>fxiny, sounds V nice, maybe i'll try fluxbox later
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11:52<the_bull>hello all
11:53<the_bull>i cannot play sound in my Acer Aspire laptop
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11:53<the_bull>is there anyone who can help me?
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11:53<fxiny>Tw4t: i'm not using icewilly default google search bar , i'm still using old woody "Debian mozilla package start page
11:54<fxiny>Tw4t: the "This is a local page to avoid using the network on disconnected machines"
11:54<Tw4t>fxiny, ok
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11:55<Tw4t>thanx buddy
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11:58<gildasio>ola pipi como vai
11:58[~]fxiny wow signal detector fssss
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11:58<gildasio>eu vou dem
11:58<gildasio>[]9(8m n]mn]
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12:05<posix>Any idea what "bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture...<6> good signature found." is all about?
12:06<dondelelcaro>posix: you're using a bootsplash kernel and it didn't find any pictures, so it kept right on doing the normal thing
12:06<v4mpire>guys so can anyone help me with my sound card ?
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12:06<posix>dondelelcaro: I have the default debian theme installed, and the images *are* there.. (this is in etch)
12:06<Tw4t>v4mpire whats wrong
12:07<posix>the path looks fine in bootsplash config..
12:07<dondelelcaro>posix: in the initrd?
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12:07<Aleric>v4mpire: running alsaconf as root worked for me (mostly).
12:08<posix>i'm assuming dpkg reconfigure wrote to initrd when it asked..
12:08<posix>i guess not..
12:08<v4mpire>Tw4t, i been trying packagemanager with no luck then tryed drivers from realtek site with no luck
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12:11<kwadronaut>v4mpire: which kernel? got myself into a funny (known) bug with a kernle upgrade.
12:11<kwadronaut>v4mpire: uname -a
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12:12<v4mpire> 2.6.18-5-k7
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12:13<kwadronaut>ah that should be ok'ish. into what errors do you run? is your sounddriver loaded?
12:13<bighornram>I am trying to setup the config file for firehol, it identifies several ports as being used but not known by firehol. How do I determine what is using each of the ports to configure them in firehol?
12:13<v4mpire>i think so
12:14<kwadronaut>v4mpire: lsmod | grep snd-whatever-driver-you-shoul-use tells you something?
12:14<kwadronaut>v4mpire: you've tried Aleric' suggestion of alsaconf ?
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12:15<v4mpire>lsmod... returns nothin
12:15<Vakio>Anyone helping v4mpire should first read the backlog for things that have already been tried.
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12:15<tweakt>beryl/compiz/emerald whatever.... compositing WORKS, NO WINDOW BORDERS.... ack! plz help. I've tried every possible thing I could think of!
12:16<tweakt>gtk-window-decorator runs but does NOTHING
12:16<tweakt>i'm so frustrated
12:16<fxiny>kwadronaut: many ways . you can use lsof -i:<portnumber>
12:16<tweakt>I've followed every guide I could find
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12:17<fxiny>bighornram: ^^^^
12:17<bighornram>can i tell what service is using a port from commandline?
12:17<fxiny>bighornram: lsof -i:<portnumber>
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12:21<k>alguien que sepa español me puede ayudar........
12:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:27<v4mpire>so guys no ideas then ?
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12:32<posix>ah got it..
12:33<posix>In Etch's bootsplash, is there a config-based way to disable f2 (switching to verbose)? Or do I have to edit the patch?
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12:35<posix>nm, judging by the patch, there isn't..
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12:46<tzafrir_home>anybody having problems with s2disk (uswsusp) recently in Sid?
12:47<tzafrir_home>I can suspend (s2disk), but on resume time I get some sort of error message (panic-like message),
12:48<tzafrir_home>and the systems continues booting from standard init. The swap partition becomes unavailable
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12:56<v4mpire>no ideas then guys ? :/.
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12:57<Supaplex>!any ideas
12:57<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!
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12:58<ben_goodger>good god, who writes this thing
12:58<Supaplex>!literal any ideas
12:58<dpkg>"any ideas" is "<reply> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a (box|bag|sack|drawer) full of (herring|string|rutabagas|condoms|ground beef), a little (cod liver oil|K-Y jelly|WD-40|thermal paste|sauerkraut|vegemite), and (42|a dozen|5 or 6|a handful of) (rabid|starving|sex-crazed|three-legged) (kittens|weasels|badgers|bunnies|hamsters|dairy cows|oxen|goats|platypuses|ostriches). And keep the (cops|Cabal|NSA|FBI|KGB) off my back for the next few ...
12:58<JasonS>its from a movie iirc
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12:59<Supaplex>ahh awesome.
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13:06<tzafrir_home>In the other news, I have a few Etch servers that occasionally "hang" , for various reasons. Looking for ideas on how to debug this problem
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13:07<tzafrir_home>Actually, my three Etch disktops all managed to hang in the recent day or two
13:07<intrusas>de donde eres?
13:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:07<tzafrir_home>and I'm getting rather frustrated
13:07<intrusas>where are you from
13:08<v4mpire>can anyone help me with getting my soundcard installed wth alsa
13:08<Vakio>v4mpire: several people have already tried, remember? :)
13:08<intrusas>im not very good in informatic
13:08<tzafrir_home>v4mpire, I asusme that you intend to provide some extra data, right?
13:08<fxiny>frustrated ? i'm here to help ypu with this : my etch(s) never hangs :P
13:08<intrusas>i sorry
13:08<intrusas>where are you from?
13:09<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: you're going to have to tell us which soundcard you're using, what lspci outputs, etc.
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13:09<v4mpire>tzafrir_home, what data u need ? realtek HD audio
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13:09<v4mpire>00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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13:09<v4mpire>yet its realtek soundcard
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13:09<tzafrir_home>fxiny, One is a amd64 system with a Via display adapter. Once every few weeks the X server gets killed
13:09<v4mpire>Vakio, yes but it cant be impossible
13:10<peterS>v4mpire: probably it's a realtek AC97 chip on a Nvidia motherboard sound chip
13:10<fxiny>a 64 ?
13:10<Vakio>v4mpire: why can't it be impossible?
13:10<tzafrir_home>fxiny, yes
13:10<v4mpire>because nothing is impossbile
13:10<peterS>v4mpire: anyway, I'd try the snd_hda_intel module
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13:10<v4mpire>in what way peterS
13:10<fxiny>tzafrir_home: sure is not firebug eating all mem ?
13:10<Vakio>I'm still betting on a newer version of alsa-base.
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13:11<tzafrir_home>I get an error regarding an unhandled interrupt
13:11<fxiny>some themes are very nasty
13:11<tzafrir_home>I don't see any trace of the OOM-killer in action
13:11<v4mpire>Vakio, so you reckon i should try newer alsa-base ?
13:12<valdyn>v4mpire: aptitude install linux-sound-base, pick alsa
13:12<tzafrir_home>v4mpire, lsmod | grep snd
13:12<tzafrir_home>pastebin that output somewhere
13:12<peterS>v4mpire: note however, kernel 2.6.18 from debian stable doesn't support that chip, you have to get 2.6.20 or newer
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13:13<v4mpire>how would i uninstall the seup the realtek drivers added ?
13:13<peterS>forget realtek
13:13<peterS>what you want is kernel 2.6.20 or newer
13:13<peterS>when you have that, it will probably work without further fiddling
13:13<tzafrir_home>fxiny, so two days ago I got fed up. Got another computer that we mostly used for backups. Has been up for monthes (with 2.6.18-3-686 kernel) and made it my desktop
13:14<dondelelcaro>yeah, I have that same chipset and it works fine with newer kernels
13:14<peterS>(actually I didn't check to see if snd_hda_intel supports that chip in 2.6.19, because who cares anyway)
13:15<tzafrir_home>In the same day X managed to hang the display really well twice. I could connect from another computer, but a chvt would hang.
13:15<tzafrir_home>I killed the X server, restarted it, whatever. Still blank screen
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13:16<tzafrir_home>Now I got home. Started working on this computer. Etch as well. It seems to hang once in a few weeks
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13:16<tzafrir_home>Nothing in the logs
13:16<tzafrir_home>I found no kernel panic message or whatever
13:17<tzafrir_home>The two relatively non-standard things on this server are a JFS filesystem and Zaptel drivers for my device
13:18<tzafrir_home>(just on my home computer)
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13:18<fxiny>any special reason for jfs on a home box ?
13:19<tzafrir_home>Yes. Experimenting with a filesystem that is not ext3
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13:19<tzafrir_home>After seeing that my old-time favorite (resierfs) is not maintained
13:19<peterS>fxiny: any reason for jfs on any box?
13:19<fxiny>peterS: :)
13:19<v4mpire>is there a repo i can add to apt to get the newer kernet
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13:21<tzafrir_home>ext3 has a fixed number of inodes. That makes it unsuitable for pdumpfs and similar "backup" methods
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13:22<Fill>Hi there.
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13:22<rhaag71>anyone try to connect to freenode today?
13:22<v4mpire>how would i uninstall what realtek drivers installed as it also setup a soundcard hte doesn't exist
13:23<Pryon>rhaag71: just did so
13:23<dondelelcaro>rhaag71: lots of us are on both networks, actually.
13:23<Fill>I've been trying to find a good linux backup tool for me to backup my main documents. However, all the backup softwares I found weren't good enough ... because usually linux backup tools compress our archives in a *.tar.gz file ... and I don't want that
13:23<tzafrir_home>So right now I cannot really recommend (based on my personal experince) Etch as a stable platform. It just hangs all too often
13:23<fxiny>tzafrir_home: similar ? partimage can do quick light compressed ext3 backups , or dd piped to gzip for small partitions
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13:23<rhaag71>ok, must be at my end then, thanks!
13:23<Fill>I just want a program to make incremental backups to my external disk, but with no compression method
13:23<Fill>does anyone know one?
13:24<tzafrir_home>fxiny, look at , and note the "powered by" page.
13:25<rhaag71>fill: use a script with cpio command
13:25<Fill>no one?
13:25<fxiny>tzafrir_home: since i runs etch i had : a sinlge iceweasel crash courtesy of a very bad theme . three emacs21 freeze while playing with muse-el , cause i am totally lisp illiterate . sarge was a diesel , etch is pretty rock solid as well
13:25<tzafrir_home>This is not just a backup. The nice thing is that I just go to /backup/repo/2007/11/23 and see the files as they were on 23/11/2007
13:25<Fill>but will it make the backups by the incremental way rthaag71 ?
13:25<tzafrir_home>(well, assuming the clock is not set exactly right)
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13:26<rhaag71>fill: no, i but if there light files it mitght no matter, you may want something more like 'dd'
13:27<Fill>there are large files
13:27<Fill>but ok...
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13:27<rhaag71>I think 'dd' command will do incrimental, it will do just about anything you can imagin :)
13:28<fxiny>tzafrir_home: this old box gets problems when sshing to my backup one . someone in this chan introduced me to the ionice delight so i can avoid uding ugly ftp : there are always workaround for everything
13:28<rhaag71>Theres a pretty tutorial at for using dd, a script would be flexible, portable, and lightweight.
13:28<Fill>I'm going to search it
13:28<Fill>thanks for the tip
13:29<fxiny>i think etch is doing very well for a user like me
13:29<tzafrir_home>fxiny, at this stage I'm quite at lost to what exactly the problems are :-(
13:29<jash>i've got a little pb with beryl, i installed drivers for my ati card, my xorg.conf have fglrx in Driver in Device part, bu when i do a "beryl --test-only", i've got a "non power of two texture support : failed", if someone have an idea ?
13:29<rhaag71>no problem, i always learn new stuff about that command, very flexible and powerful so be careful what you write to.
13:29<fxiny>tzafrir_home: that's the real problem :)
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13:29<Fill>ok :D
13:30<Larks>When logging in over ssh, After entering username I get a huge delay (15-20s) before receiving the password prompt.
13:30<Larks>I believe it does this locally as well.
13:30<Larks>Any tips?
13:31<rhaag71>hey guys, this may be off topic, but what ur fav. chat software, I have xchat built for Ubuntu and it seems to give me probs...often
13:31<Larks>do you want GUI or console based?
13:31<Larks>and are you talking irc or aim/yahoo etc?
13:31<rhaag71>gui ok, console is good too...mostly just want what works well
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13:32<rhaag71>irc, I just built pidgin for aim/yahoo (turned out to be quite nice actually)
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13:32<Larks>I use gaim for GUI chat. Simple yet effective. Console based I go with bitchX
13:33<Larks>bitchX is irc only I believe.
13:33<rhaag71>gaim, thats what pidgin used to be, or so I read...I might just be having gateway/proxy problems too.
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13:34<v4mpire>i cant find kernel 2.6.20 at
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13:34<rhaag71>that was easy, used apt bitchx is install right now. thanks Ill try it out
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13:35<fxiny>tzafrir_home: you said no logs found : try to set up a cron job dumping say free top or whatelse can give you a hint
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13:36<rhaag71>man, Ive been have loads of repo probs too, with Ubuntu wonder whats been up with them
13:36<fxiny>ubu ?
13:37<rhaag71>yeah, probably should just go to a straight deb install huh?
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13:39<rhaag71>Hey, thanks guys, gonna give the bitchx a shot...
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13:39<posix>rhaag71: don't
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13:39<posix>it sucks
13:39<posix>irssi ftw
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13:39<rhaag71>don't what?
13:40<posix>don't use bitchx
13:40<posix>because irssi owns it
13:41<rhaag71>who is irssi, guess i can google it...
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13:41<rhaag71>this is closed or something?
13:41<taid>there is a short solution to the kernel 2.6.21 + nvidia driver problem ?
13:42<posix>irssi has a bitchx theme, if its that important to you
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13:42<meek>when I am doing apt-get update for unstable, I get this error:- E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
13:42<meek>E: Error occurred while processing gpgp (NewVersion1)
13:42<meek>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
13:42<meek>please help
13:42<rhaag71>its not that important, I probably just grab gaim anyhow...
13:42<fxiny>a bitchx theme ? sacrilege!
13:42<Vakio>rhaag71: owns in the meaning "is better", not literally owning :P
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13:43<rhaag71>funny, ok. I learn something new -several- times an every day... :)
13:43<fxiny>away messages like "for stupid people only" ?
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13:44<rhaag71>irc is new to me, except for the old days of using BBS's....
13:45<fxiny>old good days : like some pics i've seen lately on the "revolution os" doc/movie
13:45<posix>what does IRC have to do with a BBS?
13:45<Larks>meek: type df -u and see if anything says 100%
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13:45<posix>fidonet ftw
13:45<rhaag71>BBS, the origianl type of inernet relay chat, only not on the "Internet" necessarily
13:46<rhaag71>I guess more like p2p
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13:47<rhaag71>yeah, actuall used fidonet to start with, and a 300bps modem...
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13:47<rhaag71>went 'big time' when i finally got my hands on a 1200baud 'hayes compatible' remember those days?
13:47<posix>a bbs is not "a type of irc"
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13:48<rhaag71>posix: i know that, I was talking about chatting over a dial up connection in the 'days' when BBS was pretty much all a guy could do
13:49<meek>Larks, no nothing is 100%
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13:49<rhaag71>It quickly went to using message boards and conversations that lasted days...weeks
13:49<meek>Larks, / is 72%
13:49<posix>k, i was just confused because you said the exact opposite :D
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13:50<rhaag71>I realized that after i typed it, sorry
13:50<fxiny>there is a factoid for "Dynamic MMap ran" , wait . someone will remember . i cannot
13:51<posix>does Etch have a lightweight CLI tool for noob /etc/network/interfaces management?
13:51<dpkg>i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
13:51<fxiny>meek: ^^^^
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13:52<dpkg>dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
13:52<meek>nice bot
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13:53<fxiny>hahahah : AUTOEXEC.BAT huhuhuhu
13:53<meek>I have 3 lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list
13:54<meek>deb etch main non-free contrib
13:54<meek>2nd one is /etch/main
13:54<meek>3rd one is unstable
13:54<meek>I am installing apt-get install openarena
13:54<meek>it says it 1 removed, and it lists linux-headers for removal
13:54<meek>how can I prevent the removal of linux-headers, because I need it.
13:54<rhaag71>I think I know why I can't connect to freenode, pidgin already did. Knew I shouldt have set that account up...
13:55<fxiny>i have 5 : Saint Marillat + volatile
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13:57<fxiny>ls : fxiny.booze fxiny.avi fxini.pr0n
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13:58<Pryon>mget -r fxiny.booze
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13:59<fxiny>Pryon: booze stays chrooted :P
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14:00<v4mpire>wheres sshd located ?
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14:02[~]fxiny muse-publish-this-file : SCOX_apply_for_a_def'nder_CEO_vacation.sux
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14:05<petru>hello everybody! running ubuntu 7.04 on radeon x1300, xgl drivers, native ubuntu desktop qustion is; can i install kiba dock?
14:06[~]fxiny muse-publish-this-file :
14:06<hachi>hey cute, vmware-package
14:06<petru>hello everybody! running ubuntu 7.04 on radeon x1300, xgl drivers, native ubuntu desktop qustion is; can i install kiba dock?
14:06<lupine_85>petru: did you read the topic>
14:06<lupine_85>all the information you need is right there
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14:07<lupine_85>another satisfied customer :)
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14:08<fxiny>my actions too are deadly :P
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14:08<v4mpire>guys how would i restart my ssh server and find kernel 2.6.20 ?
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14:09<Cyllene>Hello there. I run an etch system on a vanilla kernel ( with grsec. Does anyone know why my system randomly reboots/resets itself?
14:09<Cyllene>syslog has no information for me
14:09<fxiny>v4mpire: running etch ? see bpo for a 2.6.20 . /etc/init.d/ssh restart
14:09<dpkg>somebody said was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>
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14:10<ameyer>what the motherloving heck makes people think this is #ubuntu?
14:11<lupine_85>well, it's hard to tell the diference
14:11<lupine_85>both channels being populated with idiots
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14:11<ameyer>#ubuntu is worse
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14:13<v4mpire>fxiny, bpo meaning as if so i couldn't find it
14:13<chopsuey>Hello, how do i setup vmware for my debian?
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14:14<meek>cave:/opt# ls -l squake
14:14<meek>-rwxrwxr-x 1 501 501 438376 1997-08-08 04:33 squake
14:14<meek>cave:/opt# ./squake
14:14<jagerman>What's so great about vmware, anyway?
14:14<meek>bash: ./squake: No such file or directory
14:14<fxiny>v4mpire: follow bpo "instructions" link
14:14<jagerman>Isn't qemu good enough?
14:15<v4mpire>my ssh doesn't seem to work but its installed :S
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14:16<v4mpire>Privilege separation user sshd does not exist
14:17<fxiny>are you sure ? what apt-cache policy openssh-server show ?
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14:18<v4mpire>sorted it now
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14:23<v4mpire>but still cannot locate 2.6.20 kernel on backport
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14:37<v4mpire>guys where else could i get 2.6.20 kernel for etch ?
14:38<lupine_85>does it have to be .20, or could you live with .22 ?
14:38<v4mpire>well i got told .20 just to get my sound card working
14:39<lupine_85>that'll be a new driver, so they meant .20 or later, I would guess
14:39<lupine_85>try the one in unstable
14:39<valdyn>v4mpire: why cant you find it?
14:39<v4mpire>i been looking for .20 lol
14:39[~]lupine_85 stamps on .21 with hobnailed boots
14:40<v4mpire>y stamp on it ?
14:40<valdyn>v4mpire: why must it be 20? nvidia drivers?
14:40<v4mpire>well the mobo seems fine just the sound card
14:40<lupine_85>nVidia driver incompatibility
14:40<valdyn>v4mpire: that's just for nvidia graphics
14:40<valdyn>v4mpire: but .22 is ok..
14:41<jagerman>It's not that hard to build the nvidia driver
14:41<valdyn>jagerman: that's not the point
14:41<lupine_85>jagerman: the point is, it /won't/ build with a .21 kernel
14:41<v4mpire>well would a kernel change actually fix my soundcard problem ?
14:42<lupine_85>changes to paravirt-ops, AIUI
14:42<valdyn>v4mpire: your soundcard is not supported by kernels < 2.6.20
14:42<jagerman>lupine_85: Really? Well then .22
14:42<lupine_85>yeah, .22 ftw
14:43<v4mpire>so im going for .22 then ?
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14:43<lupine_85>do you have an nVidia video card?
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14:51<ben_goodger>lupine_85: does 2.6.22 support the new nvidia driver? I heard that it was some optimisation that buggered the driver that the team wouldn't disable because they value free software over proprietary etc etc etc etc
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14:54<lupine_85>ben_goodger: 100.??? compiles on .22
14:54[~]lupine_85 is using 9629 right now because the newest doesn't play well with psX
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14:55<lupine_85>erm, pSX
14:55<ben_goodger>well, I have never heard of pSX, so that's probably OK
14:55<ben_goodger>besides, they'll fold within a few weeks
14:55<lupine_85>PS1 emulator
14:55<lupine_85>considerably better than psemu, et al
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14:56<ben_goodger>surely a modern CPU with appropriate compilation could do that in software..
14:56<lupine_85>you'd be surprised
14:57<v4mpire>lupine_85, yes i have an nVidia video card .. GeForce 7600 GS to be precise (PCI-E) and thats installed
14:57<lupine_85>although I think it's just using OGL to make the drawing-to-screen part easy (and fast), so saving CPU for emulating the CPU
14:57<lupine_85>v4mpire: go with .22 then
14:58<v4mpire>is it poss to apt-get it ?
14:58<ben_goodger>what's 2.6.22's status testing-wise? I have been stuck on etch against my will for some time
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14:58<lupine_85>.22 is still in unstable
14:58<valdyn>ben_goodger: its in and unstable
14:58<peterS>ben_goodger: why? it's not like 2.6.22 is in etch either
14:58<lupine_85>v4mpire: add an unstable repo to apt, and you can apt-get it
14:59<peterS>I thought had a policy of only accepting packages that were in testing
14:59<ben_goodger>peterS: my desktop machine has just had a new hard disk fitted, which will shortly acquire a copy of lenny..
14:59<ben_goodger>my server (this one) has etch.
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14:59<peterS>ben_goodger: I don't get why you feel you're forced to stay on etch on account of kernel 2.6.22. neither etch nor lenny has 2.6.22.
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15:00<lupine_85>crap, I need to apt-get uprade more often
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15:01<ben_goodger>I'm not forced to stay on etch because of 2.6.22
15:01<ben_goodger>I just don't want to prat about downgrading lenny to etch when I return to using this thing as a server
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15:02<peterS>ben_goodger: I misunderstood then. you said "what's 2.6.22's status testing-wise? I have been stuck on etch against my will for some time". I thought those two sentences were related somehow.
15:02<jagerman>silly peterS
15:02<ben_goodger>lenny lacks an nvidia driver due to 2.6.21
15:02<ben_goodger>hence 2.6.22 means 3dness for me, when I go back to lenny.
15:03<peterS>sucks to be dependent on non-free software, doesn't it
15:03<ben_goodger>sorry, I'm bad at saying everything at the same time
15:03<ben_goodger>yes, yes it does
15:03<chealer>ben_goodger: did you mean "stability-wise" or "what keeps 2.6.22 out of testing"?
15:03<ben_goodger>but as I said earlier, nvidia will fold within a fortnight
15:03<ben_goodger>chealer: I meant "is 2.6.22 in testing yet? if it is, I can have 3d graphics on my lenny machine"
15:03[~]peterS is fortunate enough to be running a "NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)]" which works fine with the free nv driver
15:04<lupine_85>ben_goodger: I assume there's been LKML on the subject? Don't suppose you have a link?
15:04<wurstbrot>Hi, i start a programm witch requires a password, so i tryed "programm < password", but its looking for a file named password... do u know a way :)
15:04<chealer>!tell ben_goodger about info linux-2.6 testing
15:04<v4mpire>where would i find an unstable repo setup ?
15:04<lupine_85>peterS: my 5500FX works fine too, but the distinct lack of accelerated opengl is a bit of a pain ;)
15:04<valdyn>wurstbrot: echo password | program
15:04<ben_goodger>lupine_85: whuh?
15:04<lupine_85>v4mpire: identical to your current stable repo, but replace etch/stable with sid/unstable
15:04<peterS>lupine_85: oh, that only matters if you want to show off xscreensaver or beryl rather than actually get work done
15:05<chealer>!info linux-image-486 testing
15:05<lupine_85>peterS: I'm sure all the 3D modellers agree with you
15:05<peterS>lupine_85: I don't have anyone around me who would be impressed by demos anyway, so it isn't an issue for me
15:05<dpkg>linux-image-486: (Linux image on x86), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.21+8 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
15:05<v4mpire>oh ok
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15:05<peterS>lupine_85: come on, how many 3D modellers use linux? seriously.
15:05<jagerman>I tried out beryl
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15:05<lupine_85>Hey, KDE comes with it's own 3D modelling program now, you know
15:05<jagerman>If it wasn't so buggy, I might like it.
15:05<ben_goodger>peterS: I do. I also play games
15:05<lupine_85>plus, games ftw
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15:06<peterS>no, games ftl. I never win them, anyway.
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15:06<ben_goodger>though frankly keeping a heavily DNS-level access-blocked Windows install is the best way afaik
15:06<lupine_85>that explains why you haet 3D acceleration, then :D
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15:06<wurstbrot>valdyn, thx, there was a tree in my head :P
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15:06<lupine_85>ben_goodger: nah. There isn't a single game I want to play, that I can't, on linux
15:06<v4mpire>lupine_85, i dont have any etch/stable just etch or etch/updates
15:06<peterS>I don't hate it, I just refuse to inconvenience myself just to make it available to me
15:06<lupine_85>v4mpire: fine. replace etch with sid
15:07<v4mpire>ahh ok
15:07<ben_goodger>well, wine is pretty awful all said
15:07<ben_goodger>I know it's great from a sense of what they've actually done but I can't bring myself to use it
15:07<lupine_85>runs baldurs gate perfectly
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15:08<ben_goodger>how about oblivion?
15:08<lupine_85>not a clue
15:08<jagerman>Even Windows doesn't run oblivion well :P
15:08<valdyn>ben_goodger: playable
15:08<peterS>ben_goodger: it's not awful. it allows me to use MSIE6, which allows me to _not_ have a Windows machine running at work, yet still use their proprietary CRM application
15:08<ben_goodger>indeed, but I'll bet it runs a damn sight better than wine
15:08<peterS>ben_goodger: wine thus makes it possible for me to avoid running a ts client or whatever, which is great
15:09<ben_goodger>peterS: I suppose.
15:09<v4mpire>i just got loads of errors adding sid
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15:09<valdyn>!quick sid/etch mix
15:09<lupine_85>v4mpire: I bet you're failing. You need to copy the etch line (as it was before you modified it) to a new line, change the etch in /that/ line to sid, then apt-get update
15:09<valdyn>dpkg: quick sid/etch mix
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15:10<v4mpire>lupine_85, i done that
15:10<valdyn>dpkg: quick sid/sarge mix
15:10<dpkg>somebody said quick sid/sarge mix was dont mix sarge and sid under any circumstances. if you need newer pacakges than those found in sarge, first upgrade to etch (ask me about <sarge->etch>) then ask me about <backports>
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15:11<lupine_85>for a kernel, it simply doesn't mater
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15:11<valdyn>!factinfo quick sid/sarge mix
15:11<dpkg>quick sid/sarge mix -- last modified at Tue Jun 19 20:34:21 2007 by stew!; it has been requested 2 times, last by valdyn, 48s ago.
15:11<valdyn>greycat made this for java-package et al
15:12<v4mpire>lupine_85, its complaining because i got 2 lines the same.. 1 being etch and 1 being sid
15:12<lupine_85>the lines are hardly the same if one is etch, and one is sid...
15:12<lupine_85>just pastebin it
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15:17<lupine_85>sid doesn't have an updates... but wth is E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room ?
15:17<valdyn>!dynamic mmap ran out of room
15:17<valdyn>!dynamic mmap
15:17<dpkg>dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
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15:17<valdyn>but he has alot more serious issues
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15:17<yanntech>hi everybody
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15:19<deepak>can anyone guide about partition scheme in debian...installation ?
15:19<v4mpire>lupine_85, no idea what Dynamic MMap rano out of room
15:20<lupine_85>I'm not touching it with a 10ft barge pole
15:20<johnny06>i just installed etch on my laptop with a minimal install,only thing that bothers me is when i go into gdm sessions , i have 2 x fluxbox
15:20<lupine_85>deepak: if you don't know, then you're probably best with One Big Partition
15:22<v4mpire>lupine_85, got it down to
15:22<deepak><lupine_85>:can u plse be brief as previously i have some experience of fedora installation
15:23<lupine_85>deepak: have a 1-4GB partition for swap. Have the rest as one big ext3 partition for /
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15:25<deepak><lupine_85>:i have 256 mb ram intel series processor 3.04ghz ..also i want to run internet on it...
15:25<lupine_85>fascinating, but irrelevant
15:25[~]lupine_85 assimilates everyone
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15:27<deepak><lupine_85>:how much swap should i allocat?
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15:28<deepak><lupine_85>:can i give more than twice the ram size:swap size
15:28<eins7ein>Is there a way to reset the password on the Keyring Manager
15:28<lupine_85>you can allocate as much as you like
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15:29<ch4w>RAMx2 is enougth
15:29<eins7ein>I kinda forgot the password for the keyring
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15:30<deepak><lupine_85>:means it is not mandatory to give swap twice as ram size
15:30<v4mpire>lupine_85, i've managed to get it down to the so called duplicate so any ideas on sorting that ?
15:30<lupine_85>if it's not a duplicate line, then no
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15:32<v4mpire>would it matter if i commented out the etch line until i got the kernel then comment out the sid ones again ?
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15:32<lupine_85>just don't apt-get upgrade at any point
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15:33<v4mpire>what until i commented out the sid sources again ?
15:33<deepak><lupine_85>:if i want to go for.../,/boot,swap,var,home,usr what the spact should i allocate to them
15:33<lupine_85>deepak: that's something you'd have to work out for yourself - I don't know your needs
15:34<lupine_85>personally, I have 237GB on /home, 2GB on swap and 10GB on /
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15:34<lupine_85>hmm. I need more space on /home
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15:34<aluncouk>hello people
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15:36<v4mpire>linux-image-2.6.22-2-486 that the correct kernel ?
15:36<lupine_85>v4mpire: yep
15:36<v4mpire>w8 if im using a k7 1 at present wouldn't i need to get the k7 1 ?
15:36<lupine_85>you can if you like
15:36<deepak><lupine_85>:if u could tell me the minimum partition scheme
15:37<lupine_85>deepak: the minumum partition scheme is to have everything on /
15:37<lupine_85>one partition
15:37<v4mpire>do the libs normally want to upgade with the kernels ?
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15:38<deepak><lupine_85>:can i enjoy every stuff like minimum oartition
15:38<yanntech>a guy on unstable ? I try to install gedit but I can't (issue in package)
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15:39<lupine_85>deepak: yep
15:39<lupine_85>v4mpire: which libraries?
15:39<lupine_85>generally, no... you're not using aptitude install, are you?
15:39<lupine_85>that'd pull in unstable libc6, which you don't want to do
15:39<lupine_85>use apt-get
15:39<v4mpire>ahhw8 do i need the linux-header to accomany it ?
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15:40<lupine_85>if you intend to do any development with it, then yes
15:40<v4mpire>ok will use apt
15:40<lupine_85>(including installing the nvidia drivers)
15:40<v4mpire>nah no dev
15:40<v4mpire>i got to install the nvidea drivers sep ?
15:41<deepak><lupine_85>:i have dial up internet to configure the connection in debian?
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15:41<lupine_85>not a clue, I don't use dialup
15:41<amphi>deepak: pppconfig is easy
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15:41<lupine_85>asking the channel at large will get you more luck than just asking me
15:42<quitte_>is there some place where I should put ssl certificates. all docs I found just said it didn't matter, but I'd prefer to do itright if there is a "debain way"
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15:42<amphi>deepak: once that's setup, you just do pon/poff whatever
15:43<amphi>deepak: pppconfig takes care of all the PAP/CHAP crap for you too, for good measure
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15:44<deepak>at the cosole i have to type pppconfig
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15:44<deepak>will it ask for username and password
15:44<v4mpire>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-k7
15:44<v4mpire>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-k7
15:44<v4mpire>that right ?
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15:45<v4mpire>ahh ok so by doing that my sondcard 'should' work now ?
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15:46<yanntech>specific kernel is obsolete ?
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15:47<deepak>amphi:will it ask for ISP details
15:48<Supaplex>I wonder what major retailers pay for vista home premium. I'm itching to fire up my new box and refuse the M$ EULA. :)
15:48<amphi>deepak: funnily enough, yes ;)
15:48<amphi>deepak: dare to try it ;)
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15:51<deepak>can anyone tell me something about google summer of code
15:51<v4mpire>the kernel hasn't sorted my soundcard
15:51<amphi>deepak: google? ;)
15:52<deepak>its sort of competition conducted by google every year
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15:55<deepak>amphi:how to install mplyer in debian
15:55<dpkg>i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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15:57<v4mpire>guys could my soundcard be affected to be used because of the stuff the realtek install installed to my system ?
15:57<deepak>dpkg:then what's the way out to install it?
15:58<Vakio>deepak: dpkg is a bot.
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16:03<soenke>hi dudes
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16:05<soenke>i've installed etch on my new notebook (turion dual core 800mhz, 2GBs of ram, ati radeon mobile). i'm experiencing a bad performance with kde and fglrx(non-free) graphics driver, especially firefox/iceweasel.
16:06<soenke>now i'm searching for hints where to find the problems
16:07<soenke>if you wanna know what i mean with bad performance, look at and click on one sample image. it takes 4 seconds here for the javascript to fade in the image (!)
16:07<jagerman>800mhz sounds... too slow.
16:07<Tw4t>soenke, the answer to your problem, wold be buy nvidia : )
16:08<soenke>so it's the linux ati driver?
16:08<Tw4t>i have an ATI card, and i cant use it
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16:09<Eulex>soenke, might perhaps be slowness in firefox too...
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16:09<v4mpire>Tw4t, any moer ideas on my soundcard problem i upgraded kenel to 2.6.20
16:09<peterS>Tw4t: it's a laptop, which means it's a bit annoying to swap out video chips
16:09<soenke>but on a win machine with less power, the sample fades in smootly
16:09<v4mpire>would it be affected by what the realtek drivers installed earlier ?, if so how can i remove it
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16:10<Eulex>soenke, and yes, slow here too. I've got an ati x300 and I'm using fglrx.
16:10<jagerman>3 years from now, if ATI keeps to its open source promises, ATI and linux might be a useful combination again.
16:10<peterS>v4mpire: FORGET THE NAME REALTEK. I told you this several times. the driver is for the Nvidiai motherboard sound chip. the fact that it has a Realtek codec shouldn't matter.
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16:10<Tw4t>v4mpire, i got my card workin with the 2.6.22
16:11<peterS>jagerman: yeah, here's hoping
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16:11<v4mpire>what did you do to solve the problem ?
16:11<Tw4t>v4mpire, what is the name of the card?
16:11<jagerman>peterS: Actually, it's probably covered by the intel sound driver
16:11<soenke>Eulex, uhm that's bad :-/
16:11<chealer>peterS: I don't understand what he you? what kind of codec is it?
16:11<peterS>jagerman: that's what I told him two hours ago
16:11<peterS>chealer: it's an nvidia HDA sound chip supported by snd_hda_intel in 2.6.20 or newer
16:12<chealer>peterS: yes but what's the Realtek thing he has?
16:12<Tw4t>hda_intel exactly same as mine. mine works
16:12<peterS>chealer: but of course it uses a realtek AC97 mixer chip so he keeps thinking he needs a Realtek driver of some sort
16:12<v4mpire>all iknow is realtek HD card
16:12<Eulex>soenke, and indeed, Xorg uses a lot of cpu while opening up such an image. so that points to that this certain operation is unaccelerated in the driver.
16:12<peterS>he refuses to believe me on this. I should just stop trying
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16:13<soenke>Eulex, I suspected something like that. so it seems to be the driver that sucks :(
16:13<jagerman>v4mpire: What you know is not even close to enough to solve your problem.
16:13<chealer>v4mpire: what does lspci output?
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16:14<soenke>Eulex, oh, I checked with konqueror and it runs smootly there
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16:14<Eulex>soenke, might be firefox using unaccelerated functions then.
16:14<v4mpire>00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
16:15<jagerman>Aha! See? No realtek.
16:15<soenke>yeah. too much abstraction layers in ff :-P
16:15<chealer>v4mpire: but what's the whole output?
16:15<Tw4t>v4mpire, i have the same device
16:15<v4mpire>tho reason y i haven't took much notice of it saying that is because just been using realtek drivers in windows :/
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16:16<soenke>nice support here btw. love this channel
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16:16<Tw4t>v4mpire, install the 2.6.22 kernel image
16:16<v4mpire>Tw4t, i have
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16:17<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: you have a realtek network controller, not a realtek audio card.
16:17<chealer>peterS: aren't you supposed to see that in lspci?
16:17<v4mpire>ahh ok dondelelcaro
16:17<chealer>dondelelcaro: he wrote he had both
16:18<Tw4t>mine works i dont have alsa-base or alsa-utils installed
16:18<dondelelcaro>chealer: well, he was wrong.
16:18<peterS>chealer: he pasted lspci output, that's how I knew he had the nvidia HDA thing
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16:18<dondelelcaro>everything else is the MCP61 chipset, which uses the intel hda driver, iirc.
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16:18<chealer>peterS: me too but I was expecting to see the Realtek audio mixer thing you're talking about, and I don't.
16:18<v4mpire>oh iread wrong dondelelcaro but yea i just been using the realtek audio control/driver from my mobo disk on windows
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16:19<lupine_85>oh noes
16:19<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
16:19<nenti>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
16:19<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: it could be distributed by realtek, but that's not the audio controller that you have
16:19<peterS>chealer: oh - no - lspci won't tell that, it's a property of the chip which you can only get by asking the alsa driver after it's loaded. /proc/asound/cards or some such
16:19<lupine_85>nenti: got build-essential installed
16:19<v4mpire>aye i noticed dondelelcaro which why its made it harder for me to sort
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16:20<chealer>peterS: OK. it's a component of the audio chipset?
16:20<nenti>let me see
16:21<peterS>chealer: yeah
16:21<chealer>peterS: thanks.
16:21<nenti>no I have not
16:21<peterS>chealer: the motherboard marketing materials might talk about having a Realtek mixer chip in such a way that you'd think that is the primary property of the audio chip. I expect that's why v4mpire is confused.
16:22<Tw4t>v4mpire, u know that alsa drivers are now embeded into the kernel
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16:23<v4mpire>Tw4t, no i didn't but i did get told earlier that the stuff installed by the realtek driver install can interfere so need to remove but dunno how as no uninstall component
16:24<Tw4t>v4mpire, there should an uninstall script within the directory
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16:24<chealer>peterS: and Realtek distributes Windows drivers for some/all of the chips using that component?
16:24<peterS>I have no idea
16:24<v4mpire>which dir ? where its installed if o i wouldn't b able to tell you where it is
16:24<chealer>peterS: K, strange
16:25<Tw4t>v4mpire, goto the realtek package folder, that u downloaded
16:25<v4mpire>there isn't 1 in there
16:25<larsrohdin>trying to setup a fully-hands-off installation off ubuntu, from a debian server. Im having some troubles getting the xserver resolution-part working in the preseed-file... any ideas?
16:25<v4mpire>only install
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16:25<chealer>Tw4t: I think he can skip that. we fixed the breakage it caused a few hours ago.
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16:25<larsrohdin>the problem is that it still prompts me for a resolution
16:26<peterS>larsrohdin: wait, what? an ubuntu installation? why are you asking about that in this channel?
16:26<jagerman>peterS: Isn't it obvious? He's doing it from a debian server.
16:26<dondelelcaro>larsrohdin: that said, most likely you're not preseeding the right debconf variable
16:26<larsrohdin>peterS: well, hoping this channel has the better knowledge of preseed
16:26<dondelelcaro>larsrohdin: read the config script for the xserver and set the right one
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16:27<peterS>jagerman: so like if you run a file server on debian containing installation media for MS Office XP and someone wants to know how to do an automated install that disables Clippy....
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16:27<v4mpire>so what am i supposed to do to fix my sound ?
16:27<peterS>v4mpire: try 'modprobe snd-hda-intel'
16:27<lupine_85>works every time
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16:28<jagerman>peterS: Yes.
16:28<Tw4t>v4mpire, install the 2.6.22 kernel-image
16:28<larsrohdin>dondelelcaro: wilco
16:28<v4mpire>Tw4t, i have that kernel
16:29<Tw4t>it should work then, ithaught u was using 2.6.20?
16:29<v4mpire>wtf i installed 2.6.22 but its still showing 2.6.18 in uname -r
16:29<Tw4t>the card deffinetaly doesnt work with 2.6.18 , i dont know about 2.6.20
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16:30<peterS>v4mpire: sounds like you need to reboot into your new kernel
16:30<v4mpire>oh i need to reboot for the new kernel to work ?
16:30<peterS>Tw4t: it's supported in 2.6.20, I didn't bother to check 2.6.19 as who cares about that
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16:30<jagerman>v4mpire: The kernel is what is loaded when you boot, from which everything else is created. So, yeah. :)
16:31<peterS>v4mpire: yes, changing kernels is one of the few things that actually requires a reboot in Linux
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16:31<v4mpire>oh ok i didn't get told that earlier when asked i got told no
16:31<v4mpire>ok will brb and test it
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16:33<chealer>I suppose that will be when he asked whether he needed to reboot after reinstalling 2.6.18-5-k7 to fix Realtek's crap.
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16:37<v4mpire>guys sound works but quiet but i can sort that but my res has gone to 640 x 480 and i cant change it
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16:38<peterS>v4mpire: let me guess, you're running non-free driver crap from ATI or NVidia. bleh.
16:38<v4mpire>how would i find out ?
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16:38<v4mpire>i haven't installed any gfx drivers
16:38<jagerman>v4mpire: apt-get module-assistant, then: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
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16:39<peterS>maybe you aren't, but that's the only reason I can think of why rebooting into a newer kernel would change your X settings
16:39<jagerman>He said at some point he was using nvidia, I think
16:39<peterS>ahh. and now he doesn't know.
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16:40<v4mpire>now im using an nvidia gfx card
16:40<v4mpire>but i haven't installed any drivers from nvidia for it
16:40<v4mpire>E: Couldn't find package module-assistant,
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16:42<chealer>v4mpire: what does $ grep -A10 'Section.*"Device' /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver; output?
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16:43<lupine_85>cool, a grep druid
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16:44<v4mpire>nf|grep Driver;
16:44<v4mpire> Driver "nv"
16:44<lupine_85>probably outputs "rm -rf /\n", amirite? ;)
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16:45<chealer>v4mpire: please provide your X configuration (xorg.conf) and log
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16:47<_levap_>i'm having an issue installing (netinstall) debian on a promise fasttrack ide raid... the drives are not being detected during install as a single raid 1 drive but individual drives...?
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16:47<_levap_>can someone point me in the right direction...
16:47<v4mpire>chealer, whats the best way to get the contents of xorg.conf ?
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16:48<chealer>v4mpire: open it, select it then paste it
16:48<peterS>v4mpire: the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but we're more interested in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:48<v4mpire>so ujust want the log file or both ?
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16:49<peterS>probably both, but I'd look at the log file first
16:50<jagerman>Isn't nv the open source driver?
16:50<chealer>jagerman: the "obfuscated open source" driver, yes
16:50<peterS>_levap_: your card is doing software raid, not hardware raid. (so I hope you didn't think it was hardware raid when you paid for it.) unless you need compatibility with a Windows install on the same machine, I'd just use Linux software RAID, which is just as good as the BIOS-based one
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16:51<jagerman>Better in many ways
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16:52<peterS>better in the sense of being 'native linux', so less need for hacks to make it work and to configure it, yeah
16:52<peterS>equivalent in the sense of how well it works (using dmraid to talk to the bios partition data)
16:53<_levap_>thanks peterS
16:53<v4mpire>dpkg paste
16:53<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
16:53<jagerman>peterS: Though I thought Promise did make one or two *real* raid cards
16:54<peterS>jagerman: yeah ... hmmm ... I'm not sure if the 'fasttrack' is one of those
16:54<_levap_>the one i have is FastTrack TX2000
16:54<v4mpire>the log file
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16:56<jagerman>I don't think you get any hardware assistance until you get into the SX series
16:56<peterS>v4mpire: yeah, lines 475, 484, 485 are the problem
16:57<peterS>v4mpire: the business where the EDID probe fails and the driver has to fall back to conservative assumptions about what modes your monitor can handle
16:57<peterS>v4mpire: I don't know why that would work on one kernel and fail on another, unless you unplugged your monitor during boot, or something like that
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16:58<peterS>v4mpire: anyway - you can hard-code this information into xorg.conf if you have to. even though the driver should be able to detect the plug-n-play monitor, if this fails you can hard-code it. do you know what resolution/refresh your monitor can handle?
16:59<v4mpire>60 1024 x 768
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16:59<v4mpire>ahh i know the problem
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16:59<v4mpire>i took the relisys monitor out earlier while comp was booted
16:59<peterS>that's what I just freakin' asked (:
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17:00<v4mpire>because it didn't want to turn on so i had to put another back it
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17:00<v4mpire>no u asked if i changed it on boot :p
17:00<v4mpire>the comp was on when i done it
17:00<peterS>during boot. like, while X was starting up
17:00<v4mpire>no ;p
17:00<v4mpire>the comp was until until i booted just now for kernel
17:00<peterS>so the monitor was plugged in and turned on the whole time the computer was booting, and X came up funny anyway?
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17:01<v4mpire>i changed monitor earlier 2day
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17:01<v4mpire>yes this monitor was plugged in when i rbooted just now
17:01<peterS>so anyway. the monitor you're on now. you think it can do 1024x768@60 but not necessarily anything better?
17:01<silent>is basically freenode?
17:01<v4mpire>i've never tryed any better cuz its a 15" monitor
17:02<ranix>jagerman: for the record, linux built-in software raid with md is REALLY GOOD
17:02<ranix>if you can beat it with a stick I owe you five bux
17:02<v4mpire>it will go t a higher res but dnt know how high never tryed but i wouldn't try it higher than 60 as i dnt reckon it would take it
17:03<peterS>v4mpire: well, if you know it can do 1024x768, you can assume the hsync range should be 30-63 and the vsync range should be 50-70
17:04<peterS>v4mpire: so in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, look for a Section "Monitor" and insert the following two lines somewhere into that section:
17:04<peterS>v4mpire: HorizSync 30-63
17:04<silent>I don't understand this... the audio I'm getting through alsa is so full-bodied and flawless. In windows it was scratchy and tinny, how can this be?
17:04<peterS>v4mpire: VertRefresh 50-70
17:04<lupine_85>silent: linux pwn
17:05<silent>sure does
17:05<peterS>v4mpire: most of those numbers don't matter much, but the 63 horizontal should cover 1024x768 60Hz and no higher
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17:05<v4mpire>Section "Monitor"
17:05<v4mpire> Identifier "RELISYS"
17:05<v4mpire> Option "DPMS"
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17:06<v4mpire>oops selected too much
17:06<v4mpire>do i want to change the monitor name ?
17:07<Tw4t>silent, maybe its because is being played back naturally, without any enhancements if u have a good amp and speakers linux sounds good
17:07<silent>I have steelseries headphones
17:07<Tw4t>see its all about hardware
17:08<silent>I used the same hardware in windows tho
17:08<ranix>I dislike cashews
17:08<silent>must have been some audio filtering/"enhancements"
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17:08<Tw4t>yeah windows is good at screwing sound up
17:09<ranix>when you play mp3s in vista with media player, it "enhances" your network throughput to 15%
17:09<v4mpire>i got 600w system running from tis
17:09<silent>I hope to god I can get connect to my university wireless... this is amazing
17:09<ranix>where are the frigging walnuts
17:09<ranix>this whole thing is cashews
17:09<ranix>I am cheated
17:10<ranix>I want my three dollars back
17:10<v4mpire>peterS, how to i activate what i just put in the conf ?
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17:10<silent>ranix, when you move your mouse in vista the cpu usage spikes to 20%
17:10<peterS>v4mpire: errr, sorry, I totally calculated that wrong. 1024x768 @ 60 Hz works out to a horizontal sync of 48 kHz. so you want "HorizSync 30-49" or so
17:10<silent>on a 2.8ghz core 2 duo
17:10<amphi>silent: things are improving, that used to require a reboot ;)
17:10<ranix>event handler for the win
17:11<peterS>v4mpire: anyway, once you've edited xorg.conf, just arrange to restart the X server. usually that's a matter of logging out then hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
17:11<silent>amphi, I really like the idea that more companies are starting to ship machines with suse/fedora/ubuntu ... get more familiarization and support
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17:11<ranix>there are no peanuts but there are pictures of peanuts on the outside
17:12<ranix>do not buy mixed nuts at job lot BoBo`BoSs
17:12<BoBo`BoSs>a metod for flood ? :(
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17:12<BoBo`BoSs>a ip flood me
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17:12<lupine_85>zomg haxx
17:12<amphi>BoBo`BoSs: your computer is probably broadcasting its internet address
17:13<BoBo`BoSs>internet address
17:13<lupine_85>amphi: I detect that this ip address is do you concur?
17:13<BoBo`BoSs>how protect ?
17:13<amphi>lupine_85: you never saw those 'warnings'? ;)
17:13<lupine_85>I did :D
17:13<lupine_85>I was trying to work out whether you were serious or not
17:13<silent>how can I get rid of this little network status applet in my notificatpions bar... the pos doesn't work. No network connection my ass
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17:14<chealer>silent: network-manager?
17:14<silent>NetworkManager applet 0.6.4
17:14<ranix>lupine_85: you are probably getting probed by the master of disaster
17:14<amphi>BoBo`BoSs: you can't stop a flood (except at your firewall)
17:14<ranix>lupine_85: ehr
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17:14<chealer>silent: U suppose you could uninstall it
17:14<v4mpire>ok thats sorted
17:15<silent>chealer, would that compromise network connectivity?
17:15<chealer>silent: not if you don't use it
17:15<v4mpire>next xD how to change apache to send u to /var/www not /var/www/apache2-defaut
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17:15<silent>what package is it?
17:15<BoBo`BoSs>what firewall ?
17:15<ranix>silent: man interfaces
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17:15<chealer>silent: network-manager
17:15<ranix>this is necessary
17:15<peterS>v4mpire: if you don't know how to configure apache, you probably should hire a webmaster
17:15<ranix>you must learn about ifup and ifconfig
17:15<peterS>v4mpire: look in /etc/apache2, anyway
17:16<ranix>peterS: everyone has to start somewhere
17:16<silent>ranix, my network info is in interfaces
17:16<v4mpire>i can but i usually use apache 1.33 as have had better stability with it on my systems
17:16<peterS>ranix: that's why I told him to look in /etc/apache2
17:16<silent>ssid/hex key
17:16<ranix>I just wanted to be encouraging
17:17<ranix>apache2 doesn't have any extra stability issues compared to apache1 that I know about
17:18<ranix>are you sure you know what you're talking about v4mpire?
17:18<BoBo`BoSs>how stop this flood help me plssss
17:18<ranix>BoBo`BoSs: become an hero
17:18<Myon>ranix: stop trolling please
17:18<silent>ranix, how would I set up multiple connections in interfaces? I have a default ssid/password I use, but there are public access points I'm near at school, how would I add ssid entries to interfaces?
17:18<v4mpire>yes i seemed to have had trouble on systems with apache2 but never had a problem with apache 1
17:19<Myon>BoBo`BoSs: usually you can't do anything except waiting
17:19<v4mpire>haven't tryed it on a freshly installed system yet
17:19<ranix>I don't use interfaces to configure multiple wireless connections, I make a script for each connection
17:19<silent>how would one go about doing that?
17:19<ranix>silent: iwconfig commands, just put the necessary ones in a script
17:19<Myon>and try to stay away from strange places on the net
17:19<v4mpire>to change what i need its not in the apache2.conf is it ? as i never found it yesturday unless ilooked in the wrong place
17:20<silent>do I need network-manager to brows available networks or is it just that applet in the notification area
17:20<silent>ranix, ok i'll look those up
17:20<ranix>silent: i.e. iwconfig wlan0 essid=linksys;iwconfig wlan0 enc=bd00d52007; etc.
17:20<BoBo`BoSs>Myon but how block all port ?
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17:21<eins7ein>hi all
17:21<silent>ranix, all in a bash script I assume?
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17:21<ranix>that's what I do. You could also make a script that asks for input and get your info from kismet and just play madlibs with configuration options
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17:24<v4mpire>oh cheers guys i think thats it for now :) hassle for the soundcard tho so cheers :)
17:25<eins7ein>I still don't have sound either
17:26<silent>vampire, wat u dion?
17:26<eins7ein>My current question deals with the trying to customize the terminal
17:26<silent>i just got my sound working
17:26<v4mpire>silent, what do you mean ?
17:26<silent>you need sound?
17:26<streuner>!congratulate silent
17:26<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies silent, you did it!
17:26<v4mpire>no my sond is sorted no
17:26<silent>ah ok
17:26<silent>einstein, you need help?
17:26<eins7ein>what sound card do you have
17:26<v4mpire>just got mine working to after several hours
17:27<silent>heh, same
17:27<eins7ein>v4mpire: what sound card do you have
17:27<silent>just had to install latest alsa drivers development build
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17:27<v4mpire>i just upgraded my kernel
17:27<eins7ein>I have no idea how to do that
17:27<silent>vamp, what kernel you using now?
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17:28<silent>einstein, i can help you if you want
17:28<eins7ein>how would I find out
17:28<eins7ein>what kernel I have
17:28<hachi>hi, I'm trying to get vmware-server-console running on my debian/testing machine here... it works on another similarly setup machine, but make-vpkg (vmware-package) throws no errors and when I try to launch it glibc goes hayware
17:28<silent>yea vamp, I was thinking about doing tha, but just installing the drivers worked
17:28<hachi>anyone have any experience with this?
17:28<silent>einstein you want the new kernel or latest alsa?
17:29<eins7ein>lets start with the kernel
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17:29<v4mpire>eins7ein, whats ur soundcard ?
17:29<eins7ein>Realtek HD audio
17:30<silent>you'll probably need to open up more sources for newer builds
17:30<chealer>!tell eins7ein about kernel version
17:30<silent>I think stable only has 1.6.18
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17:30<v4mpire>it does silent ;p
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17:30<v4mpire>ahh the joys of Realtek HD Audio on linux
17:30<silent>hehe, same here
17:30<silent>working beautifully now tho
17:30<silent>enjoyingsome Oasis
17:30<v4mpire>im enjoying some alexisonfire
17:31<silent>*debate on musical preference ensues*
17:31<eins7ein>how did you get it to work
17:31<silent>alexisonfire is alright, i have a bit
17:31<silent>einstein sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
17:31<silent>add unstable
17:32<silent>oh wait,this is debian
17:32<amphi>!pal silent
17:32[~]dpkg points at silent and laughs hysterically
17:32<silent>you might not have sudo
17:32<v4mpire>silent, my sources.list didn't have stable... just had etch
17:32<Myon>you don't want people to use usntable
17:32<eins7ein>no sudo
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17:32<silent>how did you get a development kernel?
17:32<v4mpire>Myon, i had to use unstable for 2.6.22 kernel
17:33<eins7ein>what shoud I be using
17:33<chealer>v4mpire: doubtful
17:33<v4mpire>but removed the repo's after
17:33<v4mpire>chealer, why doubtful ?
17:33<Myon>v4mpire: man bpo
17:33<chealer>v4mpire: did you try with 2.6.21?
17:33<silent>chealer, I only have 2.6.18 under stable repo
17:33<Myon>v4mpire: I don't care what you run, but dont' recommend unstable to others
17:33<v4mpire>told to go str8 to 22
17:34<chealer>v4mpire: I'm pretty sure that would have been sufficient, so no need for unstable at all
17:34<v4mpire>i wasn't recommending it :)
17:34<silent>einstein, uname -a
17:34<eins7ein>I think im om 2.6.18 but I want to upgrade
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17:34<silent>uname to check version
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17:34<v4mpire>eins7ein, try the alsa method
17:34<silent>einstein, chances are you dont have to upgrade
17:34<silent>ok, thats fine
17:35<silent>go to the alsa web page and download the latest development snapshot of the alsa-drivers
17:35<eins7ein>I did that last night
17:35<eins7ein>followed this tut:
17:35<silent>did you install them?
17:36<eins7ein>I installed just like the tutorial said only problem was I didnt' understand about inserting the drivers into the kernel
17:36<dannys>what is the ssh?
17:36<v4mpire>dannys, what about ssh ?
17:36<dannys>kaychan -ssh
17:37<v4mpire>hmm o_O
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17:37<silent>that site has a ver convoluted process for installing... ill walk you through it
17:37<v4mpire>no idea
17:37<eins7ein>I couldn't get the line modprobe snd-seq-oss to work
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17:37<dannys>ssh-agent manager
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17:38<eins7ein>I also didn't understand about the modules.conf stuff
17:38<silent>einstein, cd to the directory you have the .gz in
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17:39<silent>"bzip2 -dc alsa-driver-hg*.tar.gz | tar xvof -"
17:39<silent>as root
17:40<silent>replace the alsa-driver-hg with whatever file name you have on the tar
17:40<eins7ein>it's already unzipped
17:40<silent>cd into the directory
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17:43<silent>still there?
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17:43<eins7ein>still making
17:44<eins7ein>done making
17:44<silent>make install
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17:45<silent>k, cd to /etc/modprobe.d/
17:45<silent>nano sound
17:45<silent>paste the options line for your hardware
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17:47<eins7ein>how does one save in nano I'm used to vi
17:47<silent>select text and hit ctrl+c
17:47<silent>or right click and copy
17:47<eins7ein>I did that but I want to save the file and exit
17:47<silent>or type it out in here it shouldnt be a long line
17:47<silent>dont save
17:47<silent>just exit... ctrl x
17:48<silent>n for dont save changes
17:48<eins7ein>why am i not saving what's the point of editing the file
17:48<silent>dont edit it just paste the line in chat
17:48<silent>options ...
17:48<eins7ein># ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel # module options should go here
17:49<eins7ein># OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
17:49<silent>nothing else?
17:49<eins7ein> # card #1
17:49<eins7ein> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
17:49<eins7ein> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
17:49<eins7ein> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
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17:49<v4mpire>hey any ide on how to setup java-sun-jre5 ?
17:49<silent>k, try restarting
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17:50<eins7ein>I guess I shouldn't have pasted so much
17:50<eins7ein>alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
17:50<silent>doesnt matter much, not busy
17:50<eins7ein>that's the last of it
17:50<silent>see if sparks fly
17:50<v4mpire>if it breaks blame silent
17:51<eins7ein>hang on there's more later in th tut
17:51<eins7ein> # ALSA portion
17:51<eins7ein> alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
17:51<eins7ein> alias snd-card-1 snd-cmipci
17:51<eins7ein> options snd-cmipci id="first" mpu_port=0x330
17:51<silent>dont worry about it
17:51<eins7ein>should this be in that sound file
17:51<eins7ein>should I save the sound file?
17:51<silent>ifit doesnt work well try other stuff in that tutorial
17:51<silent>exit and shutdown -r now
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17:52<silent>I still use shutdown command more than the gui
17:52<silent>set in my ways...
17:53<v4mpire>silent, u got any ideas on sun-java-jre5 ? and y i cant install it
17:53<silent>java? ...eww
17:53<dannys>enyone ho use konversation?
17:54<silent>nope, never tried installing java
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17:54<silent>I might at some point though
17:54<silent>on some cold day in hell
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17:55<v4mpire>annoying becase jre needs jdk and jdk needs ia32-sun-java5-bin but that complains its for the wrong arch
17:56<silent>There's probably a way around it... discovered on some obscure corner of the internet
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17:56<eins7ein>no dice
17:56<silent>fun stuff
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17:56<eins7ein>opened up pandora upon restart and no sound
17:56<silent>try alsaconfig
17:57<silent>err alsaconf
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17:57<eins7ein>now what
17:58<silent>try again
17:58<eins7ein>reboot you mean
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17:58<silent>no, try sound
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17:59<silent>k, link me that tutorial again
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17:59<silent>I think I gotta jet pretty quick tho
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18:00<eins7ein>hang on I have to open up the cannel in another window eterm won't let me paste
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18:02<eins7ein>there is the link silent
18:02<silent>is this guide specific to your card?
18:03<eins7ein>I got it from onther toshiba user who had the same card as me supposedly
18:03<eins7ein>it talks about it and all
18:04<silent>i have to go right now tho... a lot of the stuff in there you've already done
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18:04<silent>some things have extra options
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18:05<silent>look through and follow instructions up until you dont understand
18:05<silent>then ask back for someone... ill be back in half an hour probly
18:05<eins7ein>I followed it all the way up until I had problems with modprobe not working on the third command
18:05<eins7ein>I have to go to and probalby won't be bakc for several hours
18:05<silent>read carefully
18:06<silent>thats for drivers below a certain version
18:06<eins7ein>ok thanks
18:06<silent>continue with those directions
18:06<eins7ein>I'll keep trying and if I don't get it I'll come bakc later tonight
18:06<silent>see what happens
18:07<silent>you may have to redo the make with the extra options though
18:07<silent> ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-sequencer=yes
18:07<silent>you might have to redo that
18:07<eins7ein>yep did that
18:07<silent>ok, keep following the directions
18:07<silent>see what happens
18:08<eins7ein>ok thanks
18:08<eins7ein>well I got to go thanks for your help and I'll be back later
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18:14<JasonS>how odd zewb heh
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18:20<tweakt>any hints on what to look at if programs hang when playing sound? ('aplay' hangs for example). I have permissions (group audio), etc, and can play sound out other sound devices (usb headset)
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18:23<BoBo->pls say me how stop the flood ?
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18:24<amphi>BoBo-: call your isp
18:25<BoBo->and isp
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18:25<BoBo->say me change your ip ....
18:25<BoBo->but i have a site on my ip :((
18:25<BoBo->and other
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18:29<v4mpire>BoBo-, you can just redirect the sites to the new ip
18:29<sabin>i'm having this problem where everything in X windows is huge and i get one of those scrolling virtual screens
18:30<sabin>it's claiming to run in 1024 though
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18:30<sabin>the resolution applet in gnome says i'm in 300 hz refresh rate or so
18:30<sabin>does this sound familiar to anyone?
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18:31<BoBo->v4mpire but a firewall a .... i don`t no to resolv this problem ?
18:32<v4mpire>firewall on ur system ?
18:32<BoBo->isp say me you have a filtred ip
18:32<BoBo->and when flood me my extern is down :(
18:32<BoBo->how resolv it ?
18:33<v4mpire>they told you that they filter the content going through ur ip ?
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18:33<BoBo->extern down :(
18:33<BoBo->.com .org .net .....
18:34<BoBo->is down
18:34<v4mpire>what the sites wont work ?
18:34<BoBo->and site on my country work
18:34<v4mpire>you asked ur isp about that ?
18:35<BoBo->yes and he say me ... put a firewall and drop the flood
18:36<v4mpire>u have ur computer direct to the internet or behind a router ?
18:36<BoBo->direct to the internet
18:37<BoBo->ooo no no i have a router ...
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18:37<BoBo->but other have net
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18:37<BoBo->me no :(
18:37<v4mpire>do u have ur internet connected via the router ?
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18:38<v4mpire>BoBo-, doesn't your router have a firewall ?
18:39<Guest184>d' y spik franch
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18:40<v4mpire>BoBo-, have you got the firewall on the router turned on ?
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18:41<v4mpire>so hasn't that solved your problem ?
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18:42<v4mpire>so what exactly is the problem then ?
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18:45<v4mpire>BoBo-, your connection is being flooded ?
18:45<avalith>I'm having a bit of trouble with Iceweasel. =(
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18:46<avalith>Flash Player randomly uninstalled itself and I can't get it to reinstall.
18:46<jayson>Wow I haven't been in here since I was 12
18:47<BoBo->v4mpire yes
18:48<v4mpire>BoBo-, any particular port ?
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18:50<recklessop>is there a way i can figure out which cd iso kernel-package is on without burning all of them to cds?
18:50<sabin>anyone here running unstable, updated their X-win AND gnome recently and has their screen "zoomed in" for no reason??
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18:52<sabin>recklessop, go to in the "packages" section
18:52<sabin>search for it there
18:53<sabin>i think it might tell you
18:53<tweakt>saapas, check your screen dpi (xdpyinfo)
18:53<tweakt>sabin, your fonts wrong, or just the desktop is larger than physical display?
18:54<amphi>sabin: remove resolutions higher than you want to use from your xorg.conf
18:54<chealer>recklessop: yes
18:54<chealer>!which cd
18:54<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD:, or
18:54<sabin>tweakt, fonts are smaller... however xvidtune says i'm in 1024 (the highest rez in my xorg.conf).... yet nothing fits in the screen, and i can scroll around
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18:54<sabin>tweakt, hang on i'll have a look at xdpyinfo
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18:55<amphi>sabin: or play with xrandr
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18:55<tweakt>sabin, newest gnome is using xorg's dpi info automatically now
18:55<VI>I am currently running kernel 2.6.14, trying to upgrade to 2.6.16. I ran apt-get install linux-image-2.6-xen-686, but when I rebooted, udev still doesn't work - uname -r says I'm running 2.6.14 still. What's going on?
18:56<tweakt>VI: update-grub ?
18:57<sabin>amphi, how do i play with xrandr?
18:57<sabin>tweakt, xdpy info, says 1024 as resolution but dpi as 75x75
18:57<VI>tweakt: is that another install?
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18:57<tweakt>sabin, yeah, that sounds too low
18:58<tweakt>sabin, what size is the screen?
18:58<tweakt>xdpyinfo should list it's idea of the size in mm
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18:58<amphi>sabin: low dpi wouldn't give you a scrolling viewport
18:58<sabin>tweakt, 17 inch, it used to work just fine until my last upgrade
18:59<sabin>xdpyinfo says the screen is "(347x260 millimeters)
18:59<amphi>sabin: your xorg.conf has no resolutions larger than 1024x768 or whatever you want to use?
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19:00<tweakt>Ctrl-Alt-Minus ? Ctrl-Alt-Plus ?
19:00<tweakt>(Keypad that is)
19:01<sabin>tweakt, those do nothing.... then again other things stopped working also such as ctrl+alt+f<n>
19:01<VI>ok, I installed grub. Is that all I forgot to do?
19:03<tweakt>VI: well, make sure update-grub lists the new kernel you installed, it should automatically appear as the first entry on reboot
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19:03<sabin>tweakt, i'm thinking it may be the ati driver, i switched the config to vesa and the screen doesn't scroll anymore, but i log into GDM and nothing happens (it waiots a bit and comes back to the login screen)
19:03<VI>ok. I'll reboot and report back in about 5. Thanks
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19:10<VI>ok, It still says I'm on 2.6.14, and, obviously, udev still fails on startup. Do I have to do anything with grub, or should it just have installed?
19:10<tweakt>is /boot mounted?
19:11<tweakt>ls /boot?
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19:11<stew>VI: did you just apt-get a new kernel? does /etc/kernel-img.conf list "update-grub" in the 'postinst' line?
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19:16<VI>I don't have a file /etc/kernel-img.conf. Sorry for my novice confusion, but when I run mount, /boot is not listed. It has dev/hda3, tmpfs, proc, sysfs, procbususb, devpts, /dev/hda1, and another tmpfs that just showed up during my upgrade.
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19:22<stew>VI: are you running debian? i'd expect /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to be on any debian install
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19:24<VI>Yeah, I've been running Debian/GNU for almost 2 years.
19:25<VI>What started this all is that I installed a new version of firefox, and the dependencies reguired a debian upgrade, which required a kernel upgrade - thus the predicament I'm in.
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19:27<stew>VI: <- put that in /etc/kernel-img.conf (assuming you boot from grub). if you just installed a new kernel, and you run grub, then you should run "update-grub" in order to put the new kernels into /boot/grub/menu.lst
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19:30<VI>ok, how do you "run grub"?
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19:30<stew>VI: when i meant 'if you use grub as your bootloader'
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19:32<VI>Sorry stew, but if I have installed grub, does that necessarily mean that I am using grub as my bootloader?
19:32<VI>That's an apt-get install of grub
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19:33<stew>VI: if you are just installing grub, read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian
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19:38<VI>Uh oh. I think I may have eliminated some pertinent information. I use Lilo bootloader
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19:46<rpetre>hello, any idea on how to install the nvidia drivers in lenny without upgrading to sid's xorg?
19:47<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
19:47<chealer>rpetre: yes
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19:47<natek>hello everybody
19:48<rpetre>JasonS: read all those, the problem is that nvidia* are not in lenny, and nvidia-glx from sid depends on sid's xorg, which is quite a step
19:48<natek>could somebody please help me with either finding the damn small linux irc channel or fix a huge issue?
19:48<dpkg>it has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>)
19:49<rpetre>chealer: can you be a tad more specific, please?
19:49<JasonS>nvidia not in lenny? hmmm
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19:49<natek>dpkg, uhhhhhh what?
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19:49<JasonS>natek: #damnsmalllinux
19:49<kurumin>olaw gente
19:50<natek>thank you
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19:51<chealer>rpetre: I have a complete idea, as long as you're not talking about the current drivers.
19:51<natekagain>sorry guys, but i don't think #damnsmalllinux is a channel
19:52<natekagain>sorry guys, but i don't think #damnsmalllinux is a channel
19:52<rpetre>chealer: i'll settle with "working", as long as i don't have to reinstall
19:52<stew>natekagain: try
19:52<natekagain>stew, thanks
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19:54<rpetre>chealer: you are also aware of the paravirt_ops bug when compiling against 2.6.{20,21} , right?
19:54<chealer>rpetre: yes
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19:55<rpetre>so, what's your solution?
19:55<chealer>rpetre: which Linux version do you use?
19:55<natekagain>stew: i'm not getting any replies on the DSL room
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19:56<natekagain>i have a HUGE question for anybody who knows ANYTHING about damn small linux
19:57<rpetre>chealer: you mean the kernel? 2.6.22-2-686 , the one from sid
19:57<rpetre>but i also have the lenny one installed
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19:57<stew>natekagain: wrong channel
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19:58<natekagain>stew: i know, i'm sorry, but i'm not getting any replies in #damnsmall linux and since DSL is debian based i thought you guys could help
19:58<stew>natekagain: sorry, we can't, maybe try a mailing list
19:58<chealer>rpetre: that's good. do you have a lenny/sid mix?
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19:59<natekagain>stew: ok, then see everybody later
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20:00<rpetre>almost pure lenny, with the exception of nvidia-kernel-source, linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 and linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686
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20:00<rpetre>and maybe something m-a brought in
20:00<rpetre>linux-kbuild-2.6.22 , i think
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20:01<rpetre>i'd rather not add xorg to the mix, unless no saner way
20:01<chealer>rpetre: I mean, your APT is configured to be able to install stuff from sid?
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20:01<rpetre>yes, with lower prio from preferences
20:02<rpetre>gimme the hardcore version, i know quite a bit about apt and dependencies, and i'm well into the night
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20:03<silent>I'm going to write a poem about linux
20:03<silent>I just need words that rhyme with 'epic'
20:04<gravity>I think you need a different word
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20:04<silent>I'm gonna try to install beryl now
20:04<silent>i guess
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20:04<silent>maybe not
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20:05<silent>anyone here used beryl before?
20:05<rpetre>chealer: tell me if you're busy with smth else, i'll go sleep and drop by tomorrow
20:06<chealer>rpetre: I'm not busy, just remember to highlight when you're answering to someone.
20:06<rpetre>oh, sorry
20:06<chealer>rpetre: then you just need to follow the guide considering that you want legacy drivers, choosing between the 2 legacy versions in unstable and adapting the package names consequently.
20:07<rpetre>chealer: aha, thanks
20:07[~]jagerman wonders if v4mpire ever sorted out his problems
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20:09<chealer>jagerman: he apparently did
20:10<v4mpire>yes i did :)
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20:10<jagerman>Glad to hear it
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20:19<silent>the ubuntu channel is filled with newbs
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20:19<stew>silent: sorry, we can't help you with that.
20:19<silent>I'm running debian
20:19<silent>but I support Ubuntu
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20:23<rpetre>chealer: i built and installed the legacy driver, but i can't install no nvidia-glx-* (the legacy one insists on the etch kernel and driver, and the non-legacy one wants newer xorg)
20:24<chealer>rpetre: which legacy driver?
20:24<rodrigo>staff, necessary to mount an email server… which you server indicates me to use, Postfix or qmail?
20:25<chealer>rpetre: and you can't install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx ?
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20:29<rpetre>chealer: it depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639 , which oorently is only satisfied by nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.18-4-686
20:29<chealer>rpetre: which package did you install successfully for now?
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20:32<rpetre>chealer: oh, nvm, i'm tired, i just noticed that m-a didn't finish right, as i conflicted with the old package
20:34<rpetre>it still complains about the type1 module, but it seems to work
20:34<rpetre>chealer: thanks a lot, i'll rush for the remining 4 hours of sleep
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20:35<chealer>rpetre: no idea what you mean by type1 module. good night.
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20:44<tweakt>why is vlc not in testing?
20:46<gsimmons>tweakt: <>
20:47<chealer>that could have been a quote of the day
20:49<stew>gsimmons: botsnack
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20:50<tweakt>so 0.99.beta4-1 > 0.99.beta11.debian-3 ?
20:50<tweakt>I dont get it... hmm
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20:53<chealer>tweakt: looks like a bug in Bjorn's scripts. the real excuses are at
20:57<aleks>Hey eveyone
20:57<aleks>What can I use to burn a .iso
20:57<chealer>aleks: which X session type do you use?
20:57<aleks>I actually use Ubuntu
20:58<aleks>I have a new .iso to burn but have no idea what apps there are
20:58<aleks>TOTALLY new to Linux.
20:58<aleks>Sabayon or something is what I need to burn
20:59<gravity>Why are you in #debian then?
20:59<aleks>*shrug* it's all Linux
20:59<gravity>(Not trying to be a dick, just curious as to why #ubuntu can't help you burn an iso)
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21:00<aleks>I can't get into
21:00<aleks>Something to do with a registering
21:00<gravity>aleks: /msg nickserv help
21:00<Arcalyth>aleks: /msg nickserv register password_here email_here
21:00<gravity>That'll tell you how to register your nick so you can use the right channel for your distro
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21:01<aleks>Can you just tell me a iso burning program?
21:02<gravity>Nautilus itself can do it. Just right click the iso icon
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21:02<aleks>Thanks :)
21:02<gravity>No problem
21:02<aleks>Bootable iso?
21:02<gravity>Seriously though, you should be getting help in the right channel for your distro
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21:10<mr_flea>i don't seem to have the module snd_hda_intel, do i need to compile alsa to get this or is there a package?
21:13<Tw4t>mr_flea, just upgrade your kernel, which kernel are u using?
21:14<Tw4t>modules are built into the kernel
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21:38<kerneld>Yay - gnome is installable in unstable again :)
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21:41<aArchnix>Hi, running Lenny 2.6.21-2-686 gnome desktop (dist-upgrade from etch install *desktop,*standard,*laptop) and I've since installed dm-crypt, and libpam-mount. I've got it set up so that my encrypted partition /dev/sda4 is automatically mapped by pam-mount on login, at which point I presume gnome discovers an available volume in /dev/mapper/_dev_sda4 and mounts it to the location I specify if pam_mount.conf /home/arthur/locker. All works
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21:46<silent>stop hiding porn on your computer, put that crap on your desktop for all to see
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22:03<silent>hey guys, what package should I install for flash in iceweasel?
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22:06<aArchnix>Browse to a page with flash, and it should prompt you to install it.
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22:07<silent>archnix, 64 bit
22:07<silent>yea, shoulda clarified there
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22:20<fercho>OK ILL TRY
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22:42<tt>say hi
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22:43<tt> /exit
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22:47<cire>hi, /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/info tells me "bus mastering control: no", but I have an intel centrino sonoma (Dothan) system. I think it should have bus mastering control, doesn't it? Also, I don't have any C3 state, which perhaps results in missing bus mastering control ability... Do you agree?
22:47<cire>...which perhaps results because of missing....
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22:53<server>hello i like to know as I can unload the distribution to me of they debian 4,0 stable, but I need the sources
22:53<cire>okay, another thing... the first CPU, is it found in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0 or CPU1 ?
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22:54<cire>I am asking, becaue I only have CPU1, not CPU0.
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22:59<blarson>server: Are you asking where the source DVD/CD images are? Beside the binary ones.
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22:59<aArchnix>Hi, looking for some help with volumes automounted to desktop.
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23:00<aArchnix>Sorry, icons placed on desktop representing an automounted volume.
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23:01<aArchnix>Lenny install, dist-upgrade from etch installed with *laptop, *desktop, *standard, running dm-crypt and pam-mount to automatically mount an encrypted volume /dev/sda4 ... it's mapped by pam to /dev/mapper/_dev_sda4 to /home/arthur/locker
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23:02<aArchnix>Works fine, but gnome puts an icon on the desktop for both /dev/mapper/_dev_sda4 AND /home/arthur/locker, so I'm left with "locker" and "locker2" icons on the desktop.
23:02<aArchnix>Can I tell gnome to ignore mounting anything under /dev/mapper?
23:03<server>I need single the sources code of debian 4.0
23:03<server>Aarchinix: I need single the sources code of debian 4.0
23:04<aArchnix>oh, sorry, didn't know it was at me... sorry, don't follow, what do you need me to provide?
23:04<aArchnix>I'm running Lenny. Are you asking me for help?
23:05<blarson>aArchnix: I think he meant to respond to me. I tried to figure out what he was asking for.
23:05<server>yes, if I need to unload the 4,0 sources of debian stable, as I can obtain them?
23:06<aArchnix>blarson: Ah... @server: Download the etch dvd: "The multi-arch DVD image supports i386/amd64/powerpc; the installation is similar to installing from a single architecture full CD image; the DVD also includes the source for all included packages." from the site
23:06<kerneld>Cool totem-mozilla is muche better than mozilla-mplayer
23:07<kerneld>Now I can watch bbc video
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23:08<server>ok aArchnix thanks for your help
23:08<aArchnix>server: np
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23:16<silent>I have failed
23:16<silent>tomorrow I install 32 bit
23:17<silent>I can't function without youtube
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23:18<aArchnix>silent: one sec...
23:18<aArchnix>I'll try and help in a minute
23:18<aArchnix>on the phone
23:19<dli__>aArchnix, is gnash in debian now?
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23:22<kop>I'm trying an amd64 install and have a problem with the nic. I'm doing a network install and the nic is not recognized. I've an ASUS P5KC mobo. The 4.0r1 installer lspci says: "02.00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0)". I take this to mean that it's got an Attansic L1 gigabit nic chip. The atl1 driver for this was not in the mainline Linux kernel until 6.8.21. What's the best way to get an amd64 etch install with at least a 2.6.21 ke
23:23<dli__>kop, afaik, that nic requires atl1 driver in kernel 2.6.21 and up
23:23<aArchnix>dli__: well, it's in sid at any rate.
23:24<aArchnix>hmm... lenny too
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23:24<kop>dli__: Right, so what's the best way to get 2.6.21 onto an etch install when there's no nic?
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23:24<dli__>aArchnix, get a lenny livecd (debian-live), install via debootstrap
23:25<dli__>kop, or, use a full installation CD for etch, and upgrade kernel after installation
23:26<blarson>aArchnix: I think 2.6.21 or later is is
23:27<kop>dli__: But how do I know what packages are needed to upgrade the kernel? I need to do something to get the packages onto the box. (Lordy, maybe I could hack up a slip ppp connection via com ports or something. That sounds time-consuming.)
23:28<kop>dli__: I think I like the lenny live cd/debbootstrap approach. Does lenny come with 2.6.21?
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