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---Logopened Sat Sep 29 00:00:03 2007
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00:06<Supaplex>!lart HP
00:06[~]dpkg stabs HP
00:06<Supaplex>do it again!
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00:17<kerneld>que pasa con me otro hombre hp? (Mi amigo real este dell)
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00:23<peterS>kerneld: #hardware, also #debian-es (:
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00:25<kerneld>I was refering to Supaplex
00:26<kerneld>y soy boracho tambien
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00:42<josey_bosey>Hi does the nv driver in Lenny support the geforce 8800 ?
00:47<gsimmons>josey_bosey: Yes, according to the nv man page.
00:48<josey_bosey>gsimmons are you running Lenny currently?
00:48<gsimmons>josey_bosey: Only in a chroot on PPC.
00:48<josey_bosey>gsimmons: because the man page I see online here says nv only supports up to 7xxx seriers
00:50<gsimmons>josey_bosey: What version of 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' is installed on your system?
00:51<josey_bosey>I can't tell because I am not on the system currently (at work)
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00:53<josey_bosey>This is the package:
00:54<josey_bosey>but it doesn't show the display chips that it supports
00:54<craigevil>josey_bosey: GeForce 8XXX G80, G84, G86
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00:55<josey_bosey>craigevil: where did you find that?
00:55<craigevil>man nv
00:55<josey_bosey>you on Lenny?
00:55<gsimmons>josey_bosey: Which I've already told you about. The package description provides links to the X wiki anyway.
00:55<craigevil>but then again in running Sid so it may be different for testing
00:57<josey_bosey>gsimmons: wiki doesn't show supported cards
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00:58<craigevil>Installed: 1:2.1.5-1 is the version I have installed, no idea what the version is in Lenny if that helps
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00:59<josey_bosey>version in Lenny is 1:2.1.3-1
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01:01<gsimmons>josey_bosey: <>
01:01<josey_bosey>wish they would put that link somewhere more visible
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01:02<gsimmons>josey_bosey: In any case, the 8800 (G80) is supported by the nv driver packaged for lenny.
01:03<josey_bosey>gsimmons: where do you see that information? I am not seeing it (not that I don't believe you)
01:03<gsimmons>josey_bosey: The manual page for the nv driver.
01:04<josey_bosey>manual page does not show GeForce 8xxx or G80
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01:06<gsimmons>josey_bosey: You're looking at an outdated page (note "X11R7.0").
01:07<josey_bosey>so where is the new page I wonder
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01:13<ameyer>dcc s*nd startkeylogger from pmpp
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01:14<ameyer>that sounds like an attempt for c&c or something
01:14<ameyer>I think issocabin may be z00b
01:15<ameyer>this is like the MAFIAA trying to supress a 128-bit number
01:15<streuner>josey_bosey: ask in ONE fucking channel, NOT in two please!
01:15<ameyer>sorry, wrong network
01:16<josey_bosey>streuner: this is a fucking channel? I must be in the wrong place. Sorry to bother you.
01:16<ameyer>and possibly incorrect assumption
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01:17<streuner>its unfair to ask in serveral channels (debian) the same question at the same time, and its not useful
01:17<craigevil>best to ask here for now until freenode stops getting flooded
01:18<gsimmons>josey_bosey: You can access the man page for the version currently in lenny (2.1.3) in the driver's GIT repo <>.
01:19<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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01:22<josey_bosey>There are lots of people not in both channels that give good advice.
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01:24<streuner>but thats not the question, you should pay someone attention, because he just want help you and spent the time in order to do that...
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01:26<streuner>if you arent satisfied with the answers nobody would care if you ask in another one later
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02:06<MaV>does anyone know how to set KDM up to mirror the login screen on both screens since i have a dual head setup and how to get the Splash screen to do the same?
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02:15<chealer>MaV: isn't that a X configuration?
02:16<MaV>I don't know where that would fit is... if it is i don't know how to tell the the X server to only mirror it at login
02:16<MaV>it just looks bad when one monitor has a nice login screen and splash screen and the other doesn't match or flow nice
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02:42<eins7ein>what's up guys
02:43<Eulex>the roof
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02:50<Supaplex>a two letter word indicating a relative direction usually in direct opposition to gravity
02:50<Supaplex>antanoym: SCOX
02:50<Supaplex>!quote scox
02:50<dpkg>SCOX: 0.17 (0.1849/0.16), 9/28/2007 3:59pm, Opened 0.165, Volume 327,236, Change +0.005
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04:01<keyz>yesterday, i did dpkg-reconfigure --all because it was the mess, but when i did this , i reconfigure xserver to be run only by root... it was a mistake in my case. Do you know wich package is it?
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04:08<keyz>bzed, for yesterday, it was the dbus symlink, you were right
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04:10<CaHTeXHuK>hello, i'm newbie in linux. I installed fresh debian (minimal network install), configured my network (static IP) and i have strange behavour of my network (tcp?) connection
04:10<CaHTeXHuK> When I try to ping my new debian from another computer in network - no ping. But when i try to ping from debian to network - all OK. and after that ping to debian from another computer are successiful
04:10<CaHTeXHuK> but some time gone (5 min or less) and ping from anothet computer have no success sorry, if bad english what this? how i need to configure my network? may be inetd not started?
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04:11<soenke>hi dudes
04:12<keyz>CaHTeXHuK, do you have dhcp activated on your network?
04:12<keyz>do you have other linux?
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04:12<CaHTeXHuK>no i have 4 comuters in network 3 windows and 1 debian
04:13<soenke>can I somehow "downgrade" from x86-64 to to x86 architecture, so replace all 64bit-packages without reinstalling debian?
04:13<keyz>as root, do route, and check if the default gateway is your router
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04:16<CaHTeXHuK>keyz, default gareway ok. I check it again. I think maybe tcpd dropped after some time of inactivity?
04:17<keyz>it don't think so, it would be weird
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04:18<CaHTeXHuK>becouse when do tcpd, then ping from debian to windows, then ping from my win to debian become succesiful
04:18<CaHTeXHuK>if i dont ping from debian to win firstly, no ping from win to debian
04:19<keyz>i think that you don't need tcpd to have your network working
04:20<keyz>how to you configure your network?
04:20<CaHTeXHuK>I check it (about tcpd) in 2 minutes
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04:21<keyz>configure it manually with ifconfig
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04:22<keyz>and check for /etc/network/interfaces
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04:24<CaHTeXHuK>i explored about tcpd
04:25<CaHTeXHuK>i have 3 computer now in network: windows_A, windows_B, Debian
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04:25<CaHTeXHuK>ping from Debian to windows_A - OK
04:26<CaHTeXHuK>ping from windows_B to Debian - FAIL
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04:26<CaHTeXHuK>ping from Debian to Windows_B - OK
04:26<CaHTeXHuK>ping from Windows_B to Debian - OK
04:27<keyz>so you should use debian instead of windows_b ... sorry ;)
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04:28<keyz>maybe it's the wondows_b network conf which isn't correct
04:29<CaHTeXHuK>maybe, but its so strange - sometimes ping OK, sometimes ping FAIL
04:29<keyz>is it a real router you're using?
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04:32<CaHTeXHuK>real router - switch 4-port
04:32<CaHTeXHuK>all by default
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04:33<keyz>do ifconfig and check netmasks between computers
04:34<keyz>but anyway it's a weird behavior
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04:37<CaHTeXHuK>ok, thanks anyway
04:37<keyz>de nada ...
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04:46<metaperl>I am migrating a plone site to Debian 4.0/Etch can I just install plone-site and then overwrite its mdf?
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04:51<keyz>metaperl, mdf?
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04:55<metaperl>keyz: I forget the suffix of the database file that contains all the data for your plone site
04:56<metaperl>I thought it was .mdf but apparently not
04:56<keyz>sorry , no idea
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05:10<TIBSS01>1:06] <TIBSS01> in the source.list
05:10<TIBSS01>[11:07] <TIBSS01> what mirror sites shall i put down
05:10<TIBSS01>mine are all erorring
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05:12<lukhas>I'm having trouble with the latest libpam-mount update on sid
05:12<lukhas>basically, I can no longer login as root
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05:14<lukhas>there's no trace of this behavior on the BTS
05:15<lukhas>so I wonder what's wrong with my setup
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05:34<TIBSS01>n e one ere
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05:34<TIBSS01>i need some mirror sites for the sources.list
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05:34<TIBSS01>i deleted them all
05:34<TIBSS01>whats the best sites
05:36<robertburrelldonkin>Hi I've just been doing some license auditing for a project over at Apache. The JavaCC license has an additional clause which (according to my reading) is a FOE restriction. So, IMHO it's not open source. Debian packages this software in main but IMHO this software does not comply with the social contract. What's the right way for me to flag this issue?
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05:36<lupine_85>robertburrelldonkin: there's a debian-licensing ML, IIRC
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05:37<robertburrelldonkin>So contract them directly rather than the maintainers...?
05:37<robertburrelldonkin>(i'm so bad at IRC) contract -> contact
05:37<lupine_85>mm, well. the maintainers might be able to deal with it
05:38<lupine_85>but the licensing dudes are good at reading licenses
05:38<lupine_85>maybe contact both (CC:)
05:39<robertburrelldonkin>I'm mainly wondering about the netiquette
05:39<lupine_85>it would be polite to contact the maintainer, but they probably don't know the answer
05:39<lupine_85>debian-licensing probably will
05:40<robertburrelldonkin>I'm in the Apache legal groups so we'll reach our own conclusion but IMHO it's the right thing to flag this for Debian
05:40<robertburrelldonkin>groups -> group
05:41<robertburrelldonkin>do the maintainers prefer mail, IRC or bug reports?
05:41<jihad>can some help on gre and wccp
05:41<lupine_85>it varies. For this, I'd use email
05:41<robertburrelldonkin>cheers :-)
05:41<lupine_85>once it's definitely considered a problem, you can open a bug report
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06:03<noct>robertburrelldonkin - google turns up this:
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06:10<grummund>Can pppd be told to add a default route without removing the existing default route? (and what happens if there are two default routes...?)
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06:16<petemc>!split access
06:16<dpkg>from memory, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing,, or
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06:19<grummund>petemc: i don't really want to implement load balancing
06:20<grummund>i'm just trying to test a ppp dialout without dropping the existing default route
06:20[~]grummund isn't sure if pppd can do that
06:21<Myon>iirc just don't say "defaultroute" in the config
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06:22<grummund>yes, it works like that. but doesn't add a default route of course...
06:22<grummund>ok. perhaps i'm asking the wrong thing... let's rephrase
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06:23<grummund>is it a *must* to implenment balancing in order to have twop default routes
06:25<nenti>I configured PPPoE server but I can't connect to it. This is my syslog:
06:26<nenti>The remote system is required to authenticate itself
06:26[~]grummund doesn't really want two connections to the internet at once, just to swap between the two
06:26<nenti>but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
06:26<nenti>(None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)
06:27<nenti>Session 1 closed for client ......
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06:30<ra9ftm>hi all
06:32<ra9ftm>I am trying to install VirtualBox on debian 4.0 Etch stable with updated kernel 2.6.21 from Debain 4.0 - testing
06:33<ra9ftm>Error when compiling kernel module - vboxdrv
06:33<ra9ftm>I have downloaded krenel sources and put it into /usr/src/
06:33<ra9ftm>created symlink to it from /usr/src/linux
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06:35<ra9ftm>starting the script /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup it tells me to see /var/log/vbox-install.log to find out what wrong...
06:35<ra9ftm>here is one error at the end of this file:
06:35<ra9ftm>make -f /usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.21/scripts/Makefile.modpost
06:35<ra9ftm> scripts/mod/modpost -m -i /usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.21/Module.symvers -I /tmp/vbox.10/
06:35<ra9ftm>Module.symvers -o /tmp/vbox.10/Module.symvers -w /tmp/vbox.10/vboxdrv.o
06:35<ra9ftm>make[2]: *** [__modpost] Îøèáêà 127
06:35<ra9ftm>make[1]: *** [module
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06:37<ra9ftm>Can anybody help me what is modpost script and why it is not exists...?
06:38<seanius>ra9ftm: you need to build against thre configured headers of your kernel, not an unconfigured source tree
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06:40<ra9ftm>script vboxdrv also tells me in log to run make oldconfig && make prepare. I run this commands. What else I need?
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06:41<robertburrelldonkin>debian has 3.2 which is licensed under the old license
06:42<ra9ftm>... compile kernel with single 'make'?
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06:44<seanius>ra9ftm: can you override the default and tell this thing that your kernel source is somewhere else?
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06:47<ra9ftm>seanius: sorry, don't understand. Now compiling kernel with 'make'. /scripts/mod/modpost now exists...
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06:51<robertburrelldonkin>noct - GNU classpath discovered the issue with javacc a couple of years ago. The license has now been updated but there has not been a new release.
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06:52<seanius>ra9ftm: it's proibably not going to work, unless you configured your kernel source exactly the same as your running kernel
06:52<ra9ftm>I think all is done now, module compiled and started. Now see the new file: /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/misc/vboxdrv.ko =)
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06:52<seanius>infestator: stop that
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06:53<ra9ftm>seanius: I think configured kernel source with command make oldconfig. It automaticaly answers on questions....
06:53<seanius>ra9ftm: typically to install new kernel modules, one installs the linux-headers package and builds against that
06:54<seanius>linux-headers-<kvers> that is
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07:03<nenti>I configured PPPoE server but I can't connect to it. This is my syslog:
07:03<nenti>The remote system is required to authenticate itself
07:03<nenti>but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
07:04<nenti>(None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)
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07:04<nenti>Session 1 closed for client ......
07:04<nenti>Can you help me?
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07:10<Alth>Hi guys. I've just installed 4.0r1 on my old Toshiba laptop, due to bandwidth constrictions I installed only the basic netinst installation, then selected the laptop package. I'm now trying to apt-get a window manager, only instead of downloading from a repository, it's asking me for a CD. Can someone walk me through how I can configure apt to go to a repo instead of looking for a CD, from a command line? :)
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07:11<Eulex>Alth, comment out the CD entries in /etc/apt/sources.list, add http or ftp sources if there are none.
07:12<Alth>Thanks Eulex, I remembered that it was something like that from my Ubuntu days, but didn't remember where the file was. Cheers!
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07:14<ra9ftm>what comand adds user to group?
07:14<dpkg>adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page.
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07:24<ra9ftm>Oh! VirtualBox working now. I am happy! =)
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07:35<CaHTeXHuK>it was problen in windows, not in debian ha-ha!
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07:52<weasel>cristiano: don't spam.
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07:53<JasonS>yes they need help
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07:55<Myon>that whole ISP is strange
07:56<weasel>Myon: .br? yeah!
07:56<Myon><br />
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08:00<cristiano>I want to connect itself in a canal as I make?
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08:12<Kjetil|>is it possible for the installer to skip the lowmem message ? (Without user interaction ?)
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08:16<JasonS>CtoVeloZ: what are you trying to do?
08:16<Myon>getting banned?
08:17<JasonS>heh aside from that
08:18<CtoVeloZ>to connect in the canal I specify so new in the IRC
08:18<Myon>/join #foo
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08:18<Myon>you might just be on the wrong network
08:18<JasonS>Myon: he is
08:18<Myon>I'd hope so
08:18<CtoVeloZ>vo to try
08:18<JasonS>CtoVeloZ: its /server then when you're there type /join #channel
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08:41<MrBichel>i recently made a cronjob for dynamic dns updating calling a script thats curls a webpage to update the ip. The curl command works, but it is not executed through the cronjob
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08:42<MrBichel>*/15 * * * * /etc/myscripts/ddns_update >/dev/null 2&>1
08:43<coir>How long does it usually take for development to schism from sid?
08:43<MrBichel>this is my crontab loacated in etc/cron.d
08:43<gsimmons>Kjetil|: You can specify a low memory mode level (eg. lowmem=[1|2] as a boot parameter), but d-i still issues the prompt. Try asking in #debian-boot.
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08:45<MrBichel>*/15 * * * * /etc/myscripts/ddns_update >/dev/null 2&>1 does someone have an idea of what is wrog with this crontab located in etc/cron.d. It is meant to execute a file containing 2x curl ""
08:45<Sajes>I heard that the first cd should be enough to install Debian - is that correct?
08:47<Nigromante>and even netinst cd
08:47<Sajes>Cool beans, I'll have to download cd1 soon then. I can't stand this mepis crap. O_o
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08:47<Sajes>Nigromante, is the netinst the OS without the packages?
08:48<Nigromante>just base system
08:48<Nigromante>and download the rest from network
08:48<Nigromante>i use it
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08:48<Sajes>Does it have a desktop environment? o_o i'm on dial up, so I'd need to edit wvdial.conf first.
08:49<Sajes>or a terminal even, would suffice.
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08:49<Nigromante>just console
08:49<Nigromante>although if you use modem you'd better get the whole system offline
08:49<Sajes>Nigromante, so I should get the CD1?
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08:50<Nigromante>may be
08:50<Nigromante>you may also try ubuntu...
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08:50<Sajes>I have ubuntu. I don't like it :[
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08:50<Sajes>it's decent, but it comes with stuff I don't like, and it takes forever to load. xD
08:51<Nigromante>... more or less like debian
08:51<Nigromante>at least in my computer
08:51<Nigromante>(depends on stuff you have installed)
08:52<Sajes>the netinst can't come with too much installed, considering it's only like 160mb.
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08:52<Nigromante>just base system
08:52<Sajes>Nigromante, so would I be able to get dial up working with the netinst so I could download the rest?
08:53<Nigromante>i hope yes... although I cannot ensure it carries ppp packages...
08:53<Nigromante>I use DSL
08:54<Sajes>Wonder if it comes with netinst.
08:54<Sajes>wvdial :d
08:55<Nigromante>well, you can download the netinst cd, and needed packages,
08:55<Nigromante>and once you have installed debian, install those packages with dpkg
08:55<Sajes>:D sounds like a plan.
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08:56<Nigromante>(just to save bandwith)
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08:56<Sajes>:{ I have to restart kde because it sucks. brb.
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08:57<bzed>Sajes: or you download the first cd, it should contain everything you need including the installer, but that really depends on your connection speed of course
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09:01<Woet>stew doesnt like me
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09:01<Sajes>Who is stew?
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09:02<Sajes>Oh. Hi stew :)
09:02<stew>good morning
09:02<Sajes>Nothing like a fresh kickban to start the day, eh? :)
09:02<Nigromante>good afternoon
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09:05<Aleric>Anyone here using vim who knows what I need to change so that vim opens a file at the same line as where I was last time I had it open?
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09:08<Myon>Aleric: :help 'viminfo'
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09:11<Aleric>Hmm, the position is stored in '0
09:11<Aleric>I guess that's good enough...
09:14<Aleric>Oh, that doesn't store per file - it stores the file too :/
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09:16<sheldonh>hey! kmail-3.5.7 snuck into testing behind my back :)
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09:22<coir>sudo aptitude search avant
09:24<Myon>yeah, why do you use sudo for that?
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09:34<stranger>hi all
09:34<sheldonh>how do i tell aptitude to forget about the upgrade / install / removals i've scheduled?
09:35<stew>sheldonh: there is a "forget pending actions" or something similar in the actions menu
09:35<stranger>I have a debian system with sound working for the main user (not root). I created another user but in gnome I got this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
09:35<sheldonh>stew: cancel pending actions. thanks :)
09:35<sheldonh>stew: i thought i'd try a shortcut with pulling lenny's kde onto an etch box, but it looks like i'll need to use backports
09:35<cahoot>stranger, make new user member of audio group
09:36<stranger>cahoot, I added the new user to group audio but still
09:36<cahoot>stranger, groups <user> says so too?
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09:37<stranger>cahoot, dialout cdrom floppy audio plugdev
09:38<atrus>sheldonh: logout & login. a new session has to be started to get group changes to take effect
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09:38<sheldonh>stranger: i think atrus was talking to you :)
09:38<cahoot>and the point is void
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09:39<stranger>ok.. going out
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09:43<sheldonh>wow. this looks promising: <-- this doesn't seem to be what apt source offers them?
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09:45<chealer>sheldonh: it's
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09:45<sheldonh>hmmm. one of them's lying, then :)
09:46<Nigromante>lying on where
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09:50<sheldonh>phew, pinning for kde from etch-backports is a bit of a pain in the bum :)
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09:51<Nigromante>bum is in standard debian repository
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10:02<vega|>Anybody configured Squid on Debian 4.0r ?
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10:03<gsimmons>vega|: What is your Squid-related question or issue?
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10:06<vega|>I want to set up a fresh SQUID
10:07<vega|>I want to know new features in latest version of Squid which comes with Deb 4.0r
10:07<vega|>It has web based administration interface ?
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10:09<gsimmons>vega|: A CGI program ('squid-cgi' package) can be used to administrate the proxy.
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10:13<vega|>in GUI interface ?
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10:14<xbc>hi, did anyone recently install debian on THINKPAD R61 NF55QGE ?
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10:15<vega|>No but why ?
10:15<gsimmons>vega|: Yes, the administration can be done with a web browser.
10:15<vega|>I have ThinkPad R50e
10:15<vega|>I tried Debian 4.0r on it
10:15<vega|>Works fine
10:15<gsimmons>vega|: For details regarding the features/changes since Squid 2.5, see /usr/share/doc/squid/RELEASENOTES.html.gz. See also README.Debian if you're migrating an older configuration file.
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10:15<vega|>We are currently running very old SQUID in red hat machine
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10:16<vega|>xbc you want to install Debian on your ThinkPad ?
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10:23<vega|>Any1 has mail server on Debian 4.0 ?
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10:28<ifvoid>vega|: sure, just ask your question
10:29<vega|>Any1 set up mail server on Debian as a front end server to protect Exchange server ? :)
10:29<vega|>We have Exchange 2003..needless to say useless
10:29<vega|>But no option
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10:29<Nigromante>no ...
10:29<vega|>I want to put opensource mail server as a front end server
10:29<vega|>So spam will get filtered there only
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10:29<vega|>and mails will be forwarded to Exchange server
10:30<Nigromante>you can use exim4 in that case
10:30<vega|>Any1 already using IP version in debian ?
10:30<vega|>I mean
10:31<vega|>IP Version 6
10:31<Nigromante>but you can use it
10:31<vega|>I think for that 1 need IP Version 6 spported hardware too
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10:31<vega|>Like cisco switches
10:31<vega|>etc etc
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10:32<Nigromante>if you need routing
10:32<Myon>switches do not care about IPs
10:32<Nigromante>ipv6 is at network level
10:33<Myon>ipv6 works, only finding ISPs is hard
10:33<Nigromante>cisco routers i mean
10:33<Myon>but there's
10:33<vega|>Atleast windows desktops will need to get installed IP V 6
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10:33<Nigromante>all those who use ipv6 packets
10:33<vega|>1 bad thing about IP v 6 may be it displays in decimal
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10:34<Nigromante>...depends on the notation you use
10:34<vega|>If you say ifconfig
10:34<lupine_screen>IPv6 addresses are /always/ written in hex
10:34<vega|>Due to 128 bit lenght
10:34<vega|>It shows in hex..sorry not decimal
10:34<lupine_screen>2001:8b0:c7:d00d::b33f/64, for instance
10:34<vega|>Yeah yeah right right
10:34<lupine_screen>looks pretty readable, from my PoV :)
10:34<Nigromante>or ipv4 compatible notation
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10:35<vega|>PoV ?
10:35<vega|>Whats that ?
10:35<lupine_screen>point of view
10:35<vega|>I passed SND exam today morning
10:35<vega|>Moving on CCSP track
10:37<vega|>Its never been easy to configure GPRS in linux
10:37<vega|>Any1 tried it before ?
10:38<lupine_screen>very easy
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10:38<Nigromante>try gprs-configurator
10:38<lupine_screen>you just use pppoeconfig and a USB cable (I had a DKU-5 and a nokia)
10:38<lupine_screen>erm, not pppoeconfig
10:38<vega|>I have SonyEricsson
10:38<lupine_screen>there are magic tutorials on the intarwebs
10:38<vega|>In OpenSuSe it failed
10:39<vega|>I'll have to go through it
10:39<lupine_screen>s/in// s/it//
10:40<vega|>If we select all software while installing Deb 4.0 how much big partition we need to create ? The "/" partition ?
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10:40<lupine_screen>/all/ software?
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10:40<lupine_screen>an awful lot
10:40<vega|>4 DVD's
10:40<vega|>Cant imagine
10:40<lupine_screen>more - it's all bzipped
10:40<vega|>How long it'll take
10:40<lupine_screen>erm, gzipped
10:40<Myon>vega|: try reading the manual
10:40<lupine_screen>I would suggest 10GB if you have a seperate home
10:41<vega|>Is there any VMWare image of Deb 4.0 ?
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10:41<vega|>for free ?
10:42<vega|>I am checking right now @ vmware's web site
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10:43<vega|>Any1 used SNORT on Debian ?
10:43<vega|>Du .. ?
10:44<vega|>Deautch spranchose
10:44<vega|>lupine_screen > du sind sie deutsch ?
10:44<lupine_screen>mich hast du
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10:45<vega|>Its showing ur using ISP in Berlin, Germany
10:45<vega|>Thats why
10:45<lupine_screen>no, it isn't
10:45<vega|>I am in INDIA
10:45<lupine_screen>it's showing the IRC server I'm connected to as berlin - completely different
10:46<lupine_screen>you might want to check my ARIN or RIPE records
10:46<vega|>A bot ?
10:46<lupine_screen>also DNS
10:46<vega|>Sure sure..LoL
10:46<lupine_screen>it's an IRC server
10:46<vega|>Justa joke
10:46<lupine_screen>hardly a bot
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10:46<vega|>81.xx. your IP
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10:46<vega|>I assume
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10:46<lupine_screen>my IP is
10:46<lupine_screen>ping it - you'll see
10:46<vega|>Mine too
10:47<lupine_screen>more seriously; York, UK
10:47<vega|>I c
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10:47<sabin>is anybody here running unstable and the latest xorg ati driver?
10:47<lupine_screen>and you fail at stalking
10:47<vega|>Running Debian ?
10:48<vega|>ati driver ?
10:48<lupine_screen>nope. nVidia
10:48<vega|>Which video chip ?
10:48<lupine_screen>but, yes, debian
10:48<vega|>I mean number
10:48<sabin>i have this problem where xvidtune reports i'm running 1024... pressing the OSD button my by monitor says i'm running in 640
10:48<lupine_screen>hence my presence in #debian
10:48<sabin>naturally everything behaves like 640
10:48<vega|>under Debian 4.0r ?
10:48<sabin>the only Modeline in xorg.conf is for 1024
10:48<sabin>i also set the Virtual to 1024
10:49<vega|>Which Deb version u r running ? Or kernel ?
10:49<lupine_screen>sabin: sounds... weird. is the screen resolution, visually, 1024x768 or 640x480 ?
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10:50<vega|>You had CRT monitor before and now LCD ?
10:50<vega|>In that case also this prob happens
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10:50<sabin>lupine_screen, visually it's 640, it seems to have one of those scrolling 1024 virtual screens, this only happened after upgrading xorg, does not happen when i switch driver to vesa
10:50<zook>hello, is anyone familiar with apt-pining? I mounted my deb-isos via loop and put deb file:/whatever; apt-get update; and then modified my preferences file to read Pin: origin; but apt-cache policy xchat still shows 500 instead of 100
10:50<sabin>lupine_screen, i checked the BTS couldn't find anything related
10:51<lupine_screen>sabin: you're in sid?
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10:51<sabin>lupine_screen, yup
10:51<lupine_screen>heh, fail. report a new bug, if there isn't one already
10:51<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
10:52<lupine_screen>zook: ^^
10:52<lupine_screen>ho hum, work tiem
10:52<zook>hey thanks :) let me process that
10:53<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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10:57<ptr>Anyone here familiar with network-manager?
10:57<zook>that link realy doesn't meet my requirements :( I have my iso's on disk and want to apt-get from that, and only occasionally download from the net - which is why i'm using Pin: but it's not working?
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10:59<ptr>I'm trying to set up a vpn connection using network-manager such only connections to a certain block of addresses are routed through it.... and failing. At least using the gnome interface
10:59<ptr>Said connections go through the vpn alright....
10:59<ptr>but everything else is dropped entirely.
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11:08<hobophobe>Is there an easy way to 'dump' what compiler/libs/arch/kernel/etc you use for a program?
11:09<hobophobe>Or to know what's relevant if someone asks what development/running environment you used for it?
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11:10<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
11:11<hobophobe>Manually I have listed versions for gcc, kernel, libc6, binutils, and that I run debian sid. Would there be any other pertinent info for how I'm compiling and running a simple C program?
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11:32<valdyn>!b-e hobophobe
11:32<dpkg>hobophobe: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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11:33<valdyn>hobophobe: what are you trying to do? learn C ?
11:34<hobophobe>I turned in program for my class but the TA is asking what 'develop and running environment' I used for it.
11:34<hobophobe>So I wanted to make sure I didn't leave out something important
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11:35<valdyn>hobophobe: basic C is for a large part arch independent so arch does not matter probably
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11:36<valdyn>hobophobe: read output of 'cc --version' or 'gcc --version'
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11:36<coir>Ok, this my sound silly - is Lenny = Sid right now? Or is Lenny = Testing and Sid = Unstable?
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11:38<ben_>Hi, installing testing or unstable, I have errors abour shared/default-s-sever not set... Nerver heard about it... Could someone tell me how to set it please?
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11:43<MrBichel>i am having some problems with crontabs - it seems my crontab is never executed
11:43<MrBichel># comment beacue cron is stupid
11:43<MrBichel># m h dom mon dow command
11:43<MrBichel>0,15,30,45 * * * * /etc/myscripts/ddns_update
11:43<hobophobe>ben_, "dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct this problem." < like this?
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11:46<hobophobe>MrBichel, I thought you were supposed to not add stuff to crontab, but add them to the directories like /etc/crontab.daily
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11:46<MrBichel>well you can do both
11:47<MrBichel>crontab daily is just a directory that is launched by crontabs
11:47<MrBichel>each day
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11:47<MrBichel>but my script needs to be executed every 15 minutes thats why i am makign a custom entry
11:48<MrBichel>im making the netry using "crontab -e" in the terminal as root
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11:48<MrBichel>and it it seems to install succesfully - but yet it fails silently
11:48<MrBichel>my script is never executed
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11:49<hobophobe>maybe you could try adding four separate entries?
11:49<hobophobe>or else are you 100% sure the script isn't the failure?
11:49<ben_>hobophobe: yes this is exactly like that
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11:50<hobophobe>ben_ this seem to cover this problem, hopefully the same so you can fix it?
11:51<hobophobe>they edit the /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and seem to fix it
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11:51<ben_>hobophobe: I go and take a look, thank you
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11:54<davi>Does debian include binary blobs in the linux kernel?
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12:01<ben_>hobophobe: ok, it works with steps described in the link you gave me... thank you
12:01<hobophobe>awesome :o)
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12:07<coir>Ok - I am trying to run NVIDIA's driver installation, but it keeps telling me that I need gcc 4.1 and gcc 4.2 won't work - but I have gcc 4.1 installed. how can I get it to see it?
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12:08<bighornram>how do I tell chkrootkit to ignore /lib/init/rw/.ramfs in etch?
12:08<v4mpire>hey guys any of you got any knowledge on logitech quickcam and /dev/video0 problem ?
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12:14<user>morning guys
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12:14<user>i need a spot of help
12:14<user>i'm getting an error message during a compile
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12:14<Guest289>The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.18-4-486) does not match your
12:14<Guest289>running kernel (version 2.6.18-5-486). Even if the module were to compile
12:14<Guest289>successfully, it would not load into the running kernel.
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12:15<Debian_d00d>sound's like a common problem and i'm sure i've seen it before, but what do i need to do here?
12:15<Debian_d00d>just install the correct kernel headers?
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12:16<Debian_d00d>can i do that with aptitude?
12:16<Debian_d00d>does anyone know what the headers are called "
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12:17<dropshot>is anyone even up?
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12:17<Myon>dpkg: tell dropshot about ask
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12:19<dropshot>dropshot is Debian_d00d
12:19<dropshot>i was asking about my kernel headers
12:20<Myon>dropshot: try changing your nick less than 123 times while waiting for an answer
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12:21<hobophobe>header packages are of the form 'linux-headers-<version>'
12:21<dropshot>Myon: i was connected from another computer and i had to switch machines. technically i was cloned, not switching names.
12:21<v4mpire>Myon, do you have any idea on the logitech and /dev/video0 problem ?
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12:22<hobophobe>v4mpire, what exactly is the problem?
12:23<v4mpire>can't open /dev/video0: No such device
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12:23<hobophobe>ah, sounds like the device isn't properly set up or maybe not linked
12:23<dropshot>hobophobe: thanks. found it
12:23<v4mpire>so how would i sort it ?
12:23<w00ter>Hiya, can some one name me a windows tool which i can use to decompile so files? (I only run debian by command line, so it would be hard to do it on that)
12:24<v4mpire>i tryed a guide to set it up and the part where u apt-get install xawtv to set up /dev/video0 and supposedly pops up asking a yes or no question to set it up didn't come up
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12:26<hobophobe>v4mpire, ah, that may be a result... there's a setting for apt that controls when it asks you questions I think... but anyway, try maybe dpkg-reconfigure xawtv ?
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12:27<dropshot>hobophobe: i got the kernel headers installed. aparrently i have old C headers as well. do you know the name for those? btw, is there somewhere i can reference this information myself so i dont have to keep asking?
12:27<v4mpire>hobophobe, same problem
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12:31<hobophobe>v4mpire, best bet is to find a resource familiar with your particular driver
12:32<hobophobe>dropshot, what are you trying to build?
12:33<hobophobe>libc6-dev is probably the headers you talk of, but depending what you're building there's better ways to fulfill build dependencies
12:33<v4mpire>i've been trying to find something to help this is a last resort with the luck im having lol
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12:33<hobophobe>v4mpire, what driver are you using?
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12:34<v4mpire>the ones for my cam
12:35<dropshot_>sry i got disconnected
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12:35<hobophobe>v4mpire, what does the webcam correspond to when you do lsusb ?
12:35<dropshot_>so i installed the new kernel headers, but i'm still getting the same message about the wrong kernel version. do i need to reboot?
12:35<hobophobe>ie 0x0000:0x0000 some value
12:35<hobophobe>dropshot, what are you trying to build?
12:36<dropshot_>vmware tools. this is all taking place inside a virtual machine.
12:36<v4mpire>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:0840 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
12:37<hobophobe> this guy has same webcam and runs debian, you look at it?
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12:39<hobophobe>dropshot are you following a guide like ?
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12:41<uruclef>hi all
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12:43<hobophobe>dropshot, also has one, in pdf format, and there are others.
12:45<dropshot_>hobophobe: no. i'm not following a guide
12:45<hobophobe>Why? They tell you the necessities to complete the task.
12:46<dropshot_>they don't mention anything about incorrect kernel version
12:46<hobophobe>What says 'incorrect kernel version?' gcc?
12:46<dropshot_>hold on
12:47<dropshot_>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
12:47<dropshot_>kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
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12:48<hobophobe>you want to make sure you do that ln -s /usr/src/correct-kernel-headers /usr/src/linux
12:48<dropshot_>you lost me
12:49<hobophobe>you want /usr/src/linux to point to the correct set of headers
12:49<dropshot_>i installed them but i guess it's not
12:49<hobophobe>it may not be
12:49<hobophobe>you can find out where it is pointing with ls -l /usr/src/linux
12:49<hobophobe>it should show at the end of the line '/usr/src/linux -> /some/path'
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12:50<sheldonh>can anyone think of a clever way to get the names of all the kde packages? so far, the best i've come up with is to links2 -dump the p.d.o pages for the source packages of kdebase, kdelibs etc, and then parse the results
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12:50<Uruclef>what do you mean by "kde packages"?
12:50<hobophobe>brute force isn't clever, but it's guaranteed to get all of them.
12:50<Myon>grep Packages.gz for dependencies on libkde*
12:51<sheldonh>Uruclef: the immediate dependencies of kde-core and kde
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12:51<dropshot_>hobophobe. yeah. it's pointing to the old headers
12:51<Uruclef>aptitude show kde kde-core
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12:51<sheldonh>Uruclef: well, no. the binary packages built from the source packages of said dependencies, i guess
12:51<hobophobe>dropshot_, so then you do that ln -s /usr/src/new-headers-here /usr/src/linux
12:51<hobophobe>dropshot_, you should be good to go after that
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12:52<sheldonh>Uruclef: aptitude show won't show me kmail, for example, which is a binary package built from the kdepim source package
12:52<Uruclef>those are binary packages
12:52<Uruclef>or do you mean you want the compilation deps?
12:52<Uruclef>oh, I see
12:52<Uruclef>that's because kde is a metapackage made of metapackages I think
12:53<Uruclef>well, you could try manually with aptitude show
12:53<Uruclef>they are not so many
12:53<sheldonh>are you kidding? there are many :)
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12:54<sheldonh>Uruclef: 25, just for kdebase :)
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12:55<hobophobe>there was some tool someone showed on planet debian that may help?
12:55<v4mpire>guys where would i find the location of the directory of C header files that match my kernel?
12:55<Uruclef>/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
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12:55<Uruclef>to v4mpire
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12:58<v4mpire>on the compile question it has ? [/usr/src/linux/include] would/should ui be anything simuklar to that or would it be /linux-headers...
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12:59<sheldonh>hobophobe: sexy
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13:00<sheldonh>hobophobe: this got me most of what i wanted: for i in kdebase kdelibs kdeaccessibility kdeaddons kdeadmin kdeartwork kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdeutils kdewebdev kdegames kdetoys; do links2 -dump$i | grep bpo | awk '$2 == "dep:" || $2 == "rec:" {print $3}'; done > kde-packages
13:00<sheldonh>hobophobe: of course, i have to include kdebase etc. in kde-packages when i'm done
13:01<seanius>v4mpire: if you haven't done it already, do "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
13:01<v4mpire>will have to readdthe repo's
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13:04<chealer>sheldonh: including development packages?
13:04<sheldonh>chealer: no
13:05<sheldonh>here's the set of pins i came up with:
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13:06<sheldonh>oops, i think that should have been priority >100 :)
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13:08<dropshot_>didnt' work but i got to go
13:08<dropshot_>thanks hobophobe
13:08<dropshot_>i'll have to come back later
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13:09<v4mpire>W: Duplicate sources.list entry sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/
13:09<v4mpire>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
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13:12<valdyn>!dynamic mmap ran out of room
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13:12<valdyn>!dynamic mmap
13:12<dpkg>from memory, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
13:12<valdyn>v4mpire: ^^^
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13:13<ede>iam setting up a reduced desktop for a unexperienced user, and want to remove the system menu from gnome. any idea?
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13:14<ede>I also do not need the places->*server* entries
13:14<dbkim>hello everyone =)
13:14<valdyn>ede: apt-cache show alacarte
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13:14<v4mpire>so when is 2.6.22 kernel going to be a stable release ?
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13:14<valdyn>ede: you could manage user profiles with sabayon, but if its just one user.. nm
13:15<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: it may not, actually.
13:15<v4mpire>how come ?
13:15<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: because lenny may release with a later kernel.
13:15<dbkim>does anyone know how to move to another chatting room?
13:15<dondelelcaro>dbkim: /join
13:15<dbkim>I'm very new at irc
13:15<v4mpire>ahh ok
13:15<valdyn>etch is going to get a new kernel at some point i thought
13:15<dondelelcaro>dbkim: and they're channels, not rooms
13:15<dbkim>=) thanks for the information
13:15<valdyn>or did they change that to relying on
13:15<dondelelcaro>valdyn: not to my knowledge. There will be kernels on and posibly volatile
13:16<dbkim>but I meant what if I do /join twice?
13:16<dbkim>let say I did "/join debian"
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13:16<dbkim>and then "/join ubuntu" but I want back to debian
13:16<dondelelcaro>dbkim: how to switch between channels depends on your client.
13:16<valdyn>backports is now or becoming official part of debian, btw?
13:16<dbkim>I'm using bitchx
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13:17<dbkim>I'm using console
13:17<valdyn>dbkim: try alt-1 alt-2 etc
13:17<dondelelcaro>valdyn: I don't think it'll ever become official, but it will become more tied in
13:17<valdyn>i see
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13:17<dbkim>this one is really hard to use for such a beginner like me
13:18<dondelelcaro>(though what "official" means is kind of up to the hearer)
13:18<valdyn>dbkim: so don't use bitchx
13:18<chealer>valdyn: it didn't change AFAIK, but it's a bit doubtful it will actually be done
13:18<Uruclef>try xchat
13:18<dbkim>is there any better IRC cliend based on terminal
13:18<valdyn>dondelelcaro: to me it means that its as supported by s.d.o as any other stable package
13:18<dbkim>no... I can't use X
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13:18<dondelelcaro>valdyn: I don't think it will ever be supported by the security team
13:18<dbkim>I know xchat is an awesome client
13:19<valdyn>to bad
13:19<dbkim>but I can't use X atm
13:19<Uruclef>you could try lrssi
13:19<dondelelcaro>valdyn: but that's ok; is supported by the maintainer, not the security team.
13:19<dondelelcaro>you want to use irssi
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13:19<v4mpire>The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-k7" is an existing directory, but it
13:19<v4mpire>does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected.
13:20<dondelelcaro>v4mpire: what are you trying to build?
13:20<dbkim>ah ha!
13:20<dbkim>I found it!!!
13:20<valdyn>v4mpire: that's not expected
13:20<v4mpire>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
13:20<dbkim>the answer was "/channel debian"
13:20<v4mpire>is the question
13:21<valdyn>v4mpire: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2/include
13:21<dbkim>are you installing vmware?
13:21<valdyn>v4mpire: or /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-k7/include
13:21<dbkim>I thought so =)
13:21<dbkim>you need to install linux-header package
13:21<valdyn>vmware build script has long ago won the prize for being the most retarded =/
13:21<dbkim>did you install it?
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13:22<stew>dondelelcaro: valdyn: here a message saying that newer kernels might be released for etch with security support:
13:22<seanius>v4mpire: "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"...
13:22<v4mpire>seanius, i done that
13:22<valdyn>stew: thanks, i knew i read something along those lines months ago..
13:22<dbkim>I'm using vmware =)
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13:22<valdyn>nine months after Etch release
13:22<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
13:23<dbkim>I'm running Solaris, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Debian, WinXP and WIN2003 simulateneously
13:23<dbkim>and they are working perfectly =)
13:23<dbkim>VMware is awesome!!!
13:23<dbkim>although I had to upgrade my laptop's RAM as 4 GB =P
13:23<valdyn>i prefer kvm, its free )
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13:23<v4mpire>dbkim, Do you want to be able to use NAT networking in your virtual machines? (yes/no) [yes]
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13:24<dbkim>there are two different types of networking
13:24<dbkim>NAT and Bridge
13:24<dbkim>NAT means you are going to share your host IP with guest OSs
13:24<dbkim>Bridge means your guest machines will have different IP
13:24<dbkim>so I prefer Bridge
13:25<dbkim>you can install two networks so "yes" =)
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13:25<v4mpire>using static inet ip as lan ips
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13:25<v4mpire>Do you want this program to probe for an unused private subnet? (yes/no/help)
13:26<sheldonh>vmware's great for testing FAI, because bridged machines have their own ethernet address
13:27<v4mpire>dbkim, d oi want to probe for unused private subnet ?
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13:27<dbkim>d oi?
13:27<v4mpire>*do i
13:27<dbkim>oh =)
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13:27<dbkim>so do you want?
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13:28<dbkim>it's up to your
13:28<dbkim>it's up to you
13:28<dbkim>you can change the network configuration at any time
13:28<v4mpire>ahh ok
13:28<dbkim>don't too much stressed out about network configuration
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13:29<dbkim>vmware is really getting popular in Korea =)
13:29<dbkim>it's really awesome
13:29<Uruclef>you could also try virtualbox
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13:29<Uruclef>it rocks too :)
13:29<v4mpire>Do you want to be able to use host-only networking in your virtual machines << meaning ?
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13:29<Uruclef>is another machine emulator
13:29<Uruclef>it's open source
13:29<Uruclef>and really easy to set up
13:30<Uruclef>with debian, aptitude install virtualbox is enough :)
13:30<dbkim>hum.. I'm not really a professional of networking but I belive that means you will have a kind of private network
13:30<dbkim>which means there will be a network only for your host and guests
13:31<Uruclef>don't know
13:31<dbkim>I set three networks which is default setting of vmware
13:31<Uruclef>I've never tried it in a network environment
13:31<dbkim>Bridged, Host-Only and NAT
13:31<dbkim>and I'm using Bridged network with my guests OSs
13:31<dbkim>it's awesome
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13:32<dbkim>v4mpire, by the way, what is your host OS?
13:33<dbkim>good choice
13:33<dbkim>the thing is your host OS must be very light
13:33<sheldonh>sheesh, pin priorities still confuse me. what priority do i have to pin a package outside the target release at, so that a dist-upgrade picks it up (given that it's a later version)? i would have thought 100 would suffice, according to apt_preferences(5)?
13:33<dbkim>otherwise, guest OSs will show much shitter performance
13:34<dbkim>another thing is guest OSs can use your 3D functionality
13:34<dbkim>which mean you can't execute any opengl or directx application on your virtual machines
13:34<dbkim>that sucks for 3D developers :)
13:35<v4mpire>serial number o_O
13:35<dbkim>don't you have one?
13:35<v4mpire>no lol
13:35<dbkim>you need to buy it!!!!
13:36<v4mpire>it said its free on the d/l page
13:36<dbkim>oh is it?
13:36<dbkim>what version are you using?
13:36<dbkim>vmware server?
13:36<dbkim>vmware player?
13:37<dbkim>yeah I heard server is free
13:37<dbkim>it used be a commercial
13:38<dbkim>hum... but I haven't used server
13:38<v4mpire> but yet i need a key :/
13:38<v4mpire>and it doesn't come with 1
13:38<dbkim>I think you need to make an account on the web site or something
13:38<dbkim>in order to get a serial
13:38<dbkim>I think so
13:39<dbkim>ls -l
13:39<dbkim>oops... :P
13:39<dbkim>this client is really hard to use
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13:40<dbkim>here is 4 in the morning
13:41<dbkim>I gotta go to bed :P
13:41<dbkim>v4mpire, good luck with your installation
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13:46<scottmacd>any Xorg gurus out there? I am having a hell of a time setting up dualhead to work on my G4 powerbook (ATI Radeon Mobility 7500) and Panasonic plasma TV. I have read all the documentation for the radeon driver and many random forum posts. my Xorg.0.log shows no errors, and finds all the settings for TV/LCD correctly. I have configured MergedFB correctly I think, and set the metamodes. When i start X it appears that it is trying to stre
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14:23<Alternativende>Do you know CDD Common Debian Distributions ?
14:23<Alternativende> Im interested in CDD to create a Distribution for Internet-Cafe´s
14:23<Alternativende> I allerady have soultuions with KDE and Kiosktool running for about 2 years
14:23<Alternativende> but I wanna give it out and on a CD ;)
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14:29<Alternativende>Anyone who can help me with it ?
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14:31<hobophobe>Alternativende, it is not clear what your question/problem is.
14:31<Uruclef>that's so much true :D
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14:32<Alternativende>My Problem or question is how to get it started
14:32<Uruclef>to get started with WHAT?
14:32<Alternativende>How to set up the first system with cdd
14:32<hobophobe>he wants to build a kiosk-specific custom debian distribution
14:32<Alternativende>yeah that´s right
14:33<Alternativende>Im looking for a Howto
14:33<Uruclef>I had heard of a tool for that kind of things
14:33<Uruclef>but can't remember right now
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14:33<hobophobe>probably #debian-custom if anyone is there will know
14:33<hobophobe> has info about the existing ones and contacts/mailing lists/etc.
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14:34<Uruclef>Alternativende, have tou tried googling?
14:34<Uruclef>I'm finding lots of info
14:34<Alternativende>I found CDD
14:34<hobophobe> this is 'cdd toolkit' page
14:34<Alternativende>Oh great
14:35<Alternativende>I will visit this channel.. Anyone of you who allready tried it ?
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14:37<Alternativende>So my wife is "shouting"
14:37<Alternativende>I have to go
14:37<hobophobe>is "shouting" a code word for something else?
14:37<Alternativende>Thank´s for the links and so on
14:37<Alternativende>hehehe maybe but I won´t tell ;)
14:37<hobophobe>I see :o)
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14:38<Alternativende>Thanks a lot :)
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14:39<tzafrir_home>back to my "occasionally hanged" system
14:39<ifvoid|0480025>tzafrir_home: probably a memory or a psu problem
14:40<Uruclef>"occasionaly hanged"?
14:40<tzafrir_home>I noticed that firefox stopped responding. Then I noticed that it is in D state.
14:40<Uruclef>in which occasions? :)
14:40<tzafrir_home>And likewise syslogd and pdflush
14:40<tzafrir_home>and kopete
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14:45<Alk3>anyone know how i can find out what version my Broadcom driver is?
14:45<Alk3>lspci -v doesnt show the bcmxxxx version
14:45<tzafrir_home>my kernel is 2.6.18-5-686
14:45<tzafrir_home>any idea how to get some more useful information?
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14:46<tzafrir_home>I just ran alt-sysreq-t and dmesg >file . I could not see any of the hanged processes there
14:47<Uruclef>what about ps aux?
14:47<Uruclef>or top
14:47<Uruclef>you could try to check if a process is using very much ram/hd/processor
14:47<tzafrir_home>No excessive CPU consumption. But a bunhc of processes are constantly in D state. Including one kernel thread.
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14:48<tzafrir_home>Sooner or later the system will completely freeze
14:50<Alk3>where can i find this: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card in 64 bit?
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14:50<Mark_NL>Hey Guys
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14:53<Mark_NL>Any1 here?
14:53<Alk3>yes, hello
14:54<Mark_NL>I saw this huge list of users and I thought no1 was here :).
14:54<tzafrir_home>~seen no1
14:54<dpkg>no1 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1070d 21h 8m 4s ago, saying: 'yeah'.
14:54<tzafrir_home>he was here
14:54<peterS>yes, yes I was
14:54<tzafrir_home>now, did you want to ask something?
14:54<Alk3>dpkg Alk3
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14:55<Mark_NL>lol :P, well if you got time i maby want to ask something ;)
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14:56<v4mpire>what is ed2k ??
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14:57<Klibre>it's a P2P network
14:57<Mark_NL>Ehm, i have a AMD seperon and I don't know what kind of Debian I need to download :(
14:57<peterS>yeah, some lame warez network, I gather
14:57<Mark_NL>I'm kinda noob ^^
14:57<peterS>Mark_NL: "i386" unless it is a 64-bit chip, then "amd64"
14:58<Mark_NL>ok thanks PeterS!
14:58<peterS>I think the semprons are all 32-bit, but I don't know, I haven't bought a computer in a long time
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14:58<Mark_NL>Hehe, I will look if it's 32 bit ;)
14:58<Mark_NL>But thanks anyway :)
14:58<peterS>well, if you try the amd64 install CD, and your chip isn't 64-bit, it will just print a line to that effect and refuse to boot (:
14:58<v4mpire>mines 64 but using i386
14:59<ben_goodger>peterS: and hence is an improvement on windows, which just perpetually restarts
14:59<peterS>ben_goodger: really? weird
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15:00<Mark_NL>I want to make a simple webserver of my pc, with debian so I can just download the stable i386 version?
15:00<v4mpire>mark thats wha i done
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15:01<Mark_NL>Ok thanks v4mpire :)
15:01<v4mpire>no problem :)
15:01[~]Mark_NL loves #debian ^^
15:02<v4mpire>tho i done netinst but gives same setup pretty much
15:03<ben_goodger>it gives exactly the same setup, and indeed is recommended for use by about 90% of new users in my book
15:05<v4mpire>does noone here know how i could set my system up so i can download a ed2k link ?
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15:06<ben_goodger>edonkey.. hmm
15:06<ben_goodger>amule handles that, I believe
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15:09<Mark_NL>Btw guys, wich programs do you guys use for SSH? PuTTy?
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15:09<JasonS>Mark_NL: from windows putty, from linux ssh
15:10<Mark_NL>But is there anything so I can see what files are on my hd with root acces?
15:10<Mark_NL>Since my dedicated is a bit long driving :P
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15:11<JasonS>Mark_NL: ssh in and su to root if need be
15:11<JasonS>if i understand what you're asking
15:11<Mark_NL>Sorry, I didn't explain my question very well :(
15:12<Mark_NL>Ehm, what I mean is: Can I see what kind of files are on my folders on my hd (I have root acces), I just want to open let's say the php config file on my windows pc;.
15:12<Mark_NL>Is that possible?
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15:14<JasonS>Mark_NL: yes, you ssh into your linux box and open the file with the editor of your choise
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15:17<v4mpire>any idea on setting up amule so i can download an image for vmserver ?
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15:23<v4mpire>what is wxWidgets and would it be installed by debian installer or not ?
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15:30<peterS>v4mpire: no it would not. if you don't know what it is, don't install it. packages that need it will bring it in automatically.
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15:33<v4mpire>peterS, amule needs it and wnt bring it in automatically
15:33<peterS>then file a bug
15:33<SorenStoutner>wxWidgets is used for drawing windows, much the same way as Gtk.
15:34<SorenStoutner>Installing it won't hurt your system.
15:34<v4mpire>configure: error: wxWidgets must be installed on your system but wx-config script couldn't be found
15:34<v4mpire>is it on debian repos ?
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15:35<peterS>v4mpire: you know, you could start thinking for yourself and using apt-cache search
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15:36<v4mpire>thats true peterS didn't think
15:37<v4mpire>wxmaxima - a wxWidgets GUI for the computer algebra system maxima << would that be the main component
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15:39<SorenStoutner>You probably want libwxgtk2.6-0 and libwxbase2.6-0.
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15:46<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, they are already installed
15:47<SorenStoutner>Are you running testing or stable?
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15:49<SorenStoutner>v4mpire: try wx-common.
15:51<SorenStoutner>wx-common installs /usr/share/man/man1/wx-config.1.gz
15:51<SorenStoutner>I would open it up and see what information it can give you.
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15:52<tzafrir_home>time for a reboot, I guess
15:52<ia64>hi guys. any idea why "at" doesn't work? I set the correct time with an executable .sh script but it never gets fired
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15:54<v4mpire># find / -name "*wx-config*"
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15:54<tzafrir_laptop>well, reboot it is...
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15:56<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, how would i open .gz, is it same as tar.gz ?
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15:57<SorenStoutner>try # man wx-config
15:57<SorenStoutner>It should just open.
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15:57<SorenStoutner>If not, you can manually unzip it. It is just like tar.gz except it isn't tarred.
15:58<SorenStoutner>In KDE you can also just browse to it in Konqueror and click on the file.
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16:07<ia64>hi guys. any idea why "at" doesn't work? I set the correct time with an executable .sh script but it never gets fired
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16:09<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, i still cant see why its not there
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16:30<simonrvn>ia64: works fine. it's really picky
16:31<simonrvn>and i wish people wouldn't leave after they ask a question... or at least say why...
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16:39<asteroid>when clicking on a link to eg a .doc extension the application opens. how can i get the window back where i can choose my action eg save or use application or ..?
16:40<amphi>asteroid: alt-button1-drag, if I understand you
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16:40<asteroid>in a browser i see a link. when i click on that link it opens abiword when i want to save the document
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16:46<asteroid>how can i change the default application handler?
16:46<asteroid>using gnome
16:47<ben_goodger>default application handler?
16:49<asteroid>when i click on .doc abiword opens. i want to change that to openoffice writer
16:52<v4mpire>guys is there a way to extract .r00 to .r39 with starting file .rar ?
16:52<JasonS>v4mpire: yep
16:52<v4mpire>is it done with unrar ?
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16:53<JasonS>v4mpire: yes iirc unrar 3 *.rar was what i used the last time
16:54<JasonS>doh, unrar e i mean
16:54<v4mpire>unrar-free ?
16:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
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16:55<dpkg>somebody said unrar-free was an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0).
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16:56<Ron242>ah found it
16:56<Ron242>not at the place i expected it :)
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16:57<v4mpire>any ideas how i could add more tracers to a torrent download ?
16:58<JasonS>v4mpire: do you really think we're the place to ask about torrents and trackers? :)
16:58<v4mpire>why it doesn't have to be illegal torrents and this is a linux chan xD
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17:03<asteroid>is there a way to speed up/tune etch to work faster?
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17:05<Supaplex>add more ram, more cpu, faster disks, and/or kill off unneeded processes
17:05<dli>asteroid, run xfce, or fluxbox
17:05<asteroid>which processes are not needed after a installation of etch+xorg+gnome?
17:06<asteroid>laptop is 266MHz+96 Mb :)
17:07<dli>asteroid, do not use gnome, use fluxbox, might be still too much for 96MB, custom kernel, include only needed
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17:08<chealer>dli: how would a custom kernel help?
17:09<dli>chealer, reduce kernel size
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17:11<chealer>dli: stock kernels already use less than 20 MB. that's presumably less than 1% of his disk space, so imagine the difference with a custom kernel.
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17:13<Tunafish>whats the kernel version in lenny
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17:22<klysmoth>hey dirk
17:22<klysmoth>asteroid: deborphan will probably tell you
17:23<v4mpire>can .daa files be run in vmware ?
17:24<asteroid>ah nice
17:24<klysmoth>what's a .daa file?
17:24<v4mpire>Direct-Access-Archive file. This is a proprietary CD/DVD image file format from PowerISO file. It supports features such as compression, password protection and splitting across multiple volumes.
17:25<klysmoth>well, if you install the win32 driver for it I don't see why not
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17:25<v4mpire>there a linux format w32 driver ?
17:26<klysmoth>see, ndiswrapper, and reactos
17:27<v4mpire>i thought ndiswrapper was for wireless only
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17:28<v4mpire>and isn't reactos a full OS ?
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17:28<klysmoth>v4mpire: apt-cache search daa gives me no result. try
17:29<klysmoth>also no result on poweriso
17:30<SorenStoutner>v4mpire: This is a man file. Man stands for manual. It's the help file associated with wx-config. It can tell you more about what its supposed to do.
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17:30<SorenStoutner>It seems to me that the error you are receiving probably deserves a bug report to the amule package.
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17:30<klysmoth>you mean, `this' referring to `man wx-config' ?
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17:33<SorenStoutner>v4mpire: if you are asking about trackers, you can add extra ones if you are using ktorrent as your client.
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17:34<chealer>Tunafish: check the version of the linux-2.6 source package
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17:35<Xenguy>SorenStoutner: I looked at ktorrent, but could not find a way to *verify* that my blocklist was actually working. Is there a way to confirm a working blocklist in ktorrent?
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17:35<Tunafish>how cna i upgrade the kernel on etch
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17:36<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, i solved that problem with azureus
17:36<chealer>Tunafish: to what?
17:37<Tunafish>well whatever is recormended
17:37<Tunafish>anything higher than what etch runs
17:37<SorenStoutner>Xenguy: I don't know. I've never used the blocklist. I guess the easiest way is to block and IP and then see if it shows back up.
17:38<v4mpire>wow my download is going slower on azureus than gnome bittorent with less trackers :S
17:38<Xenguy>SorenStoutner: OK, tx
17:38<SorenStoutner>v4mpire: Azureus is based on Java. You should at least take a look at Ktorrent if you are looking for performance.
17:38<chealer>Tunafish: recommended by what?
17:38<Tunafish>there no way of doing this through apt-get
17:39<klysmoth>sure there is
17:39<Tunafish>well i need to run something that kernel 18 cant do
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17:39<klysmoth>I still think you should compile your own. you can always apply the debian patch yourself
17:39<chealer>Tunafish: Linux 2.6.18 doesn't support lm_sensors?
17:39<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, it was near enough maxing my download at 1 point then dropped down to near to nothin :S
17:39<Tunafish>no i could not get it to run
17:39<benny_pl>Tunafish: try
17:39<Xenguy>v4mpire SorenStoutner I looked at a new client yesterday called 'deluge'; looks promising but I need 'blocklist' features that aren't currently in the debian packaged version. Worth keeping an eye on though I'd say
17:40<Tunafish>i googled an dit said try a higher version
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17:40<Tunafish>i dont know how to use backports
17:40<v4mpire>hmm ok
17:40<SorenStoutner>v4mpire: Azureus might also be restricting you to only encrypted transactions. That's more secure but if you need speed, restricting yourself to encrypted connections will cut out a bunch of seeders.
17:40<chealer>Tunafish: unless you mean it lacks support for your specific chipset, you're wrong.
17:40<Tunafish>yer as .18 dont support k8temp which is needed by lmsensors
17:41<benny_pl>Tunafish: there is a howto on their website. just ad the backports archive to your sources-list an apt-get the latest kernel
17:41<Xenguy>v4mpire: you can configure azureus to prefer encrypted connections, but also allow unencrypted
17:41<v4mpire>SorenStoutner, like i said it was downloading fine at decent speed then dropped right down :S
17:41<v4mpire>Xenguy, how would i do that ?
17:41<Xenguy>v4mpire: I'll have a look at my own configuration, sec...
17:42<v4mpire>ok :)
17:42<klysmoth>at least the patch is there in case you'd need one
17:42<Tunafish>as .18 dont support k8temp and i know .19 does and someone ran it and it worked
17:42[~]klysmoth has 2,4.23
17:43<themill>!tell Tunafish about
17:43<Xenguy>v4mpire: have a look at: Tools > Options > Connection > Transport Encryption
17:44<chealer>Tunafish: OK, you're right. you're using a desktop?
17:44<Xenguy>v4mpire: I have 4 checkboxes; the top 3 are checked; the bottom (4th) checkbox is unchecked
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17:45<v4mpire>Xenguy, where would i find that?
17:46<asteroid>Ladies and Gentlemen, compliments again. Etch is a fantastic operating system.
17:46<Xenguy>v4mpire: azureus has a menu system like most programs, yes? Start with the 'Tools' drop-down menu etc.
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17:48[~]Tunafish walks off to mess around with kernel upgrade, prays to the kernel upgrade god in a hope it will go without a glitch :)
17:49<klysmoth>tunafish: use GRUB
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17:49<klysmoth>oh, and don't use grub2
17:50<chealer>Tunafish: why do you want lmsensors?
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17:50<Tunafish>as it tells me the temp of my system etc and works with phpsysinfo
17:51<Tunafish>plus i have an idea, i will write a script that will email me when system gets to x temp
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17:52<asteroid>is there a way to keep apt-get synced with aptitude and other software-maintainers?
17:53<chealer>asteroid: which Debian suite do you use?
17:54<klysmoth>it should all be in /var/lib/dpkg/status
17:54<asteroid>usually i use apt-get to update the system
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17:54<asteroid>yesterday i tried aptitude and went ahead
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17:55<asteroid>it deleted essential files and left a broken system
17:56<asteroid>so ok, it could be a safety feature. which is good :)
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17:57<asteroid>i know this is derived from a conflict about the use of automatic systems instead of dpkg. but i kind of hoped there was a solution by now ;)
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17:57<klysmoth>asteroid: it should tell you what it's doing
17:58<asteroid>aptitude gave the information that there was 646 Mb to delete
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17:59<klysmoth>really? make sure you don't recognize what it's deleting is my advice
17:59<themill>just always use aptitude...
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17:59<klysmoth>still it is likely that there was a packaging conflict which devalued libc6
18:00<chealer>or rather, just don't use aptitude
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18:00<themill>Or mark the packages you installed with apt-get so that aptitude won't uninstall them.
18:00<asteroid>i knew and just did it to see what happened heh
18:00[~]Tunafish prays this works
18:00<klysmoth>tunafish: is grub working with your current kernel?
18:01<Tunafish>dunno about to install kernel im gonna do it from source i found a nice tutorial lol
18:01<Tunafish>never done this before
18:01<klysmoth>tunafish: would you like my .config for starters?
18:01<Tunafish>im following this
18:02<themill>!tell Tunafish about kp mantra
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18:03<mwola>Atchii !
18:03<klysmoth>tunafish: there is a debian way, though any kernel should work, specially a stock one
18:03<chealer>Tunafish: forget compiling, just install a prebuilt image from or testing if you really want to do that.
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18:04<Tunafish>i cant figure out backports lol
18:04<chealer>Tunafish: then better forgetting the whole thing
18:04<klysmoth>tunafish: regardless, consider this: apt-get install grub; then use either the floppy or a cd to boot a new kernel bzImage
18:04<v4mpire>btw will ktorrent use ALL trackers or just a selected 1 ?
18:05<themill>Tunafish: backports isn't that hard.... what can't you figure out?
18:05<Tunafish>i mean i dont know what i am looking for on there
18:05<klysmoth> (mine for 2.6)
18:05<themill>Tunafish: did you read the factoid that dpkg sent you about
18:06<themill>Tunafish: add this to your sources.list: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
18:06<Tunafish>i added the sources
18:06<Tunafish>i just dont know the command for it
18:06<themill>Tunafish: then aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-686 (or whatever your kernel is)
18:06<themill>Tunafish: command for what?
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18:07<themill>Tunafish: umm.... I'm not with you here. Can you explain some more, please?
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18:08<Tunafish>i use apt-get to get packages
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18:08<Tunafish>i added the sources list to the apt sources list file and updated it
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18:08<themill>ok. so apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-686 (or -amd64)
18:08<Tunafish>i do that and it says cant find package
18:09<themill>the packages are listed on or through apt-cache search or through tab completion
18:09<chealer>themill: you forgot a "-2"
18:09<JuanCraft>hi, what is the name of the plugin for xmms... (little one inside the bar)? play, stop, rew...
18:10<Tunafish>got it
18:10<Tunafish>was the missing -2
18:10<themill>chealer: ah... that's what tab completion is for... :)
18:11<Tunafish>ok its downloading now w00t
18:11<themill>Tunafish: make sure you have tab completion in your shell... it's *soooo* much easier.
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18:11<klysmoth>themill: what kind of apt-aware tab completion do you have?
18:12<themill>klysmoth: just the standard that comes with debian: . /etc/bash_completion
18:12<klysmoth>themill: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-<tab>
18:12<themill>klysmoth: apti<TAB>i<TAB>linux-im<TAB>2.6.22<TAB><TAB><TAB>
18:13<themill>you get the idea. I'm lazy ;)
18:13<Tunafish>rebooting it now
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18:19<Tunafish>well that worked
18:20<klysmoth>ok, now get grub
18:20<klysmoth>then you can have both
18:20<Vakio>A rare occasion: my old laptop has an Internet connection for a while. Care to suggest some small games to install?
18:20<Vakio>Of course I know some, but it's over 2 AM and I'm kinda out of thoughts.
18:21<Vakio>Frozenbubble, Wesnoth and nethack I already have.
18:22<asteroid>why is the hdd active when the inet-conn is on and off when the inet-conn is off? there shouldn't be any bits send
18:22<klysmoth>the hdd? out of memory?
18:23<klysmoth>any reason at all would work
18:23<klysmoth>including cron
18:23<chealer>Vakio: neverball? sudoku?
18:24<Tunafish> :)
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18:24<Vakio>Thanks, I'll try them.
18:24<v4mpire>by any chance do any of you guys know the vmware install extention ?
18:24<klysmoth>vmware is non-free
18:24<v4mpire>like for the os thats been modified to work str8 away with it
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18:27<v4mpire>vmserver is free
18:27<klysmoth>is the license approved?
18:27<weasel>vmware server is not free.
18:27<weasel>it's gratis, but not free
18:28<v4mpire>u register on the site t oget a serial
18:28<weasel>doesn't mean it's free software.
18:28<klysmoth>(not me)
18:28<dpkg>dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
18:28<weasel>that's what defines the word 'free' around here
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18:35<asteroid>bug seems gone :)
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18:36<Tunafish>later people
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18:39<asteroid>in 1982 i learned that harddrives move for a reason
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18:46[~]mikegrb gives weasel a cupcake
18:47<chealer>mikegrb: a redistributable one?
18:47<mikegrb>sure, why not
18:48<chealer>weasel: here, please
18:48[~]mikegrb looks like he just stepped out of the shower
18:48<mikegrb>it's sweat :<
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19:11<v4mpire>any ideas why vmserver is freezing when i try browse for an iso ?
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19:12<Ayreonaut>anyone got any ideas what i might be missing with kmldonkey with almost all my options appearing disabled (grey)?
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19:21<coir>I accidentally removed the primary GNOME panel. I'm trying to add the "systray" back, but on the Add to Panel list I don't see anything resembling it.
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19:23<miksuh>coir: You probably mean notification area
19:23<klysmoth_>pump should not keep running by default in dsl
19:23<coir>miksuh: Ah, I was thinking that was to notify for upgrades. =/
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19:25<miksuh>coir: update-notifier adds it's icon to notification area when there is updates which you can in stall :)
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19:32<miksuh>coir: so you are right too, but anyway notification area applet is what you need to add to panel
19:32<miksuh>it creates "systray"
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19:38<coir>miksuh: Is there a config file somewhere that it uses? I'd like to make the current config defualt for all users on my system.
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20:12<silent>I'm trying to set my resolution to native, but the dialogue doesn't display that option, how can I force it to go to a specified res?
20:15<mikegrb>what resolution are you aiming for?
20:15<mikegrb>a laptop?
20:15<silent>it worked when I installed 64 with a desktop
20:15<silent>but this time I installed xorg/gnome and base
20:15<silent>thats it so far
20:16<silent>using vega driver, though I've tried nvidia (wont boot)
20:16<mikegrb>macbook pro by any chance?
20:17<Arron>what is the name of the doc app that is on your desktop, and u can add icons to it for whatever
20:17<stroyan>silent: I don't think you will be able to get the vesa driver to do that resolution. You should try harder getting nv or nvidia to work.
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20:18<silent>stroyan, I'm sure in 64 bit it was working
20:18<silent>same version
20:18<silent>just not the included desktop install
20:18<v4mpire>hey guys how would i dierct a port into vmserver guestos ?
20:18<silent>with just xorg/gnome I get 1gb more free, so I assume its in there somewhere
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20:21<silent>I might as well reinstall then...
20:21<silent>with desktop included
20:22<silent>long businesscard installs are long
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21:06<odine>trying to install debian on my laptop with wifi.... ESSID is just the SSID right? also u need a pass to login to my network... would that be s:password ???
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21:40<jag>hello guys i need to ask you something, i want this cool thing that shows information about the devices (cpu ram prc speed) is like a gadget but i dont know what exactly to download for linux
21:40<jag>please someone help in this
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21:45<jag>hello guys i need to ask you something, i want this cool thing that shows information about the devices (cpu ram prc speed) is like a gadget but i dont know what exactly to download for linux, please someone help in this
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21:48<klys>jag: torsmo
21:50<klys>hey man
21:51<v4mpire>is there a program that i could put a vb app code and have the program convert it for me?
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21:53<cubby>I've been searching around on google and havent found much on libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, except that its not supported for etch. Is there an alternative or accepted workaround for those running etch?
21:53<klys>v4mpire: gambas(2)? or try mono
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21:54<v4mpire>would that allow me to stick it in the code and convert it for me or would it still mean recoding ?
21:54<klys>I would recommend to not store user data in SQL. use LDAP
21:54<klys>v4mpire: those are for you to look up, I am making no promises on what you're finding with this info
21:55<v4mpire>ahh ok
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21:57<cubby>not to go agaisnt you or anything, but let's just say one really wanted to store everything in sql, is there a decent way to do it?
21:57<klys>probably with PAM
21:58<klys>or compile your own apache2
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22:02<cubby>ok...thanks =D
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22:09<silent>well, I'm trying to get a 1440x900 resolution, and I've tried both vesa and nv. I think my vmem is set to 32mb, is this sufficient or should I increase the memory allocation?
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22:15<recklessop>i have an older compaq armada laptop and is there any way to control the lcd brightness?
22:15<recklessop>the function keys dont work
22:15<recklessop>(they did in windows)
22:15<klys>silent: yes, 32MB is plenty, even for 32bpp
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22:16<recklessop>the function key to switch to an external monitor works though
22:16<klys>maybe there's a driver for it. there was for toshiba. check the hardware-howto
22:17<cubby>what model is it?
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22:30<v4mpire>E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
22:31<v4mpire>how do i kill whats hogging it ?
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22:32<dropshot>i downloaded a package, ran configure, and make... is it installed yet? or is it not installed until i run make install?
22:32<v4mpire>make install will install it
22:34<dropshot>ok. it was a version issue. i had the wrong one. i'm wondering... if i had installed it, how would i "uninstall" it?
22:34<dropshot>*if i had ran make install?
22:35<v4mpire>make uninstall
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22:40<dropshot>oh of course
22:41<simonrvn>if it has an uninstall target... most don't
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22:53<silent>I need to get my resolution to 1440x900, but it wont show up in the menu. My xorg.conf is setup correctly, I have tried both vesa and nv, as nvidia gives me coloured vertical lines
22:54<dropshot>simonrvn: you said most don't have an uninstall target
22:54<dropshot>then what?
22:54<dropshot>i mean, if it doesn't have an uninstall target, how would i get rid of it?
22:54<simonrvn>uninstall manually, i.e., use rm
22:55<simonrvn>that's what you get for not building a .deb
22:55<dropshot>buiding a deb?
22:55<dropshot>guess i better learn how to do that
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22:56<dropshot>so if i build a .deb, i take it that will give me a definite method of removing the package?
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22:59<simonrvn>easy one, yes
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23:05<dropshot>so i take it making .debs isn't that hard
23:05<klys>get debhelper and use dpkg-buildpackage
23:06<klys>make sure you patch the .orig and chmod +x debian/rules
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23:07<klys>patches are available in
23:10<klys>find the latest one for the source tree you have
23:11<dropshot>so install debhelper then patch it?
23:11<dropshot>then chmod +x debian/rules?
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23:11<klys>it is applied after the ln -s ... ...; as follows: zcatpackage-patch.gz | patch -p0
23:11<klys>with a space
23:11<klys>zcat package-patch.gz | patch -p0
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23:13<dropshot>ok. i got gebhelper installed and i'm looking at the file list at
23:14<dropshot>but i don't know what i'm looking for
23:14<klys>you have a source project tree
23:14<klys>it has a name, look for the name in debian
23:14<silent>I have the latest nvidia driver installed, but still cant set my resolution to 1440x900
23:15<klys>silent: fbset is working with 1152x864 ?
23:15<dropshot>ok. i found debhelper
23:15<silent>klys, what was that?
23:16<klys>now that you have debhelper, nwhat you need is dpkg-buildpackage -nc
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23:16<klys>silent: apt-get install fbset
23:17<klys>run fbset from a TTY, (ctrl+alt+F1)
23:17<silent>with what options/commands?
23:18<klys>`man fbset' is informative, also do fbset --help and look at /etc/fb.modes
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23:19<dropshot>is the patch a .dsc file?
23:19<klys>not really, no
23:19<dropshot>ok.this is over my head
23:19<dropshot>i'm not understanding what you are telling me to do
23:19<dropshot>it's cool
23:19<klys>the patch is a .gz file, name is similar to the .orig.tar.gz file
23:20<klysmann>Du FreChe Deutsch ?
23:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, freenode or
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23:20<dropshot>well i see a newer version 5.0.56 i believe
23:21<klys>ok, get the .gz patch and do zcat package-patch.gz | less
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23:22<mallow>hi I'm having some installation problems
23:23<mallow>Satellite 2545XCDT, it stops at Installing the base system 33% INstalling core packages...
23:23<mallow>It just freezes there and doesn't do anything there after, I have the netinstall cd
23:23<dropshot>ok i'm looking at a huge text file
23:24<klys>you can get an earlier debian and install that way
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23:24<klys>dropshot: make note of the paths to the files it is patching
23:24<dropshot>is's not doing anything
23:24<dropshot>i'm reading a text file
23:24<dropshot>i think
23:25<klys>It can do the patch with patch -p0; if thwe paths are all there
23:25<klys>so, have a look at `man ln' and try `ln -s' a few times
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23:25<silent>klys, how do I know what to set the refresh rate at for 1440x900
23:26<klys>silent, modeline2fb ?
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23:27<klys>first find an X or svgalib modeline for your resolution and/or monitor
23:28<silent>where do I find that?
23:28<silent>I have modes in fb.modes
23:28<klys>probably you want one for the resolution you're asking about
23:28<silent>isn't there an easier way to set resolution? something in xorg?
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23:29<klys>look for xf86config, xf86config-4, xorg.conf
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23:30<silent>I have used xorg.conf, 1440x900 is set up
23:30<klys>then you extract the modeline, maybe finetune it with svidtune.c (for monitors not lcds), and do the conversion
23:30<silent>it just doesnt appear in the gui menu
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23:30<silent>this is an lcd
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23:30<klys>great, the find the modeline
23:31<klys>it's a configfile option in /etc/X11
23:34<silent>klys, I'm running an hp pavilion tx1000 laptop with a go6150
23:35<klys>silent: your hardware won't care which tools you use so long as they are compatible
23:35<silent>I found one google hit and it was in another language and at the end it says HHHEELLLPPP
23:35<klys>what was your search term, out of curiosity
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23:37<silent>hp pavilion tx1000 1440 900 modeline
23:37<klys>modeline 1440 900
23:38<silent>I found something, but wont a higher rate than my screen supports possibly destroy it?
23:38<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware
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23:38<twb>That should say "... on Freenode."
23:38<klys>silent: well, it would only *destroy a monitor not an lcd
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23:39<silent>klys, would 45 be ok as a rate?
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23:39<silent>can I sorta play around until I find something decent? there are online modeline generators
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23:40<klys>silent: usually monitors that support up to 1152x864 support around 50-110 vartical refresh uninterlaced
23:40<gsimmons>twb: Updated.
23:40<twb>gsimmons: eh?
23:40<ra9ftm_home>Anybody, can you give me link on how-to install and configure OpenLDAP server under Debian... ?
23:40<ameyer>and most semi-modern CRT monitors would realize what's going on and fail to work
23:40<twb>gsimmons: oh sorry, echan
23:41<ameyer>as opposed to breaking permanently
23:41<klys>ra9ftm_home: I would like to also.
23:41<klys>ra9ftm_home: I have done it before
23:42<silent>what about dot clock frequency?
23:42<silent>what would be a safe value for that?
23:42<Salz>Is the new SDL in unstable only broken for me or have other people reported problems?
23:42<klys>ra9ftm_home: for starters, in woody it was apt-get install slapd
23:42<ra9ftm_home>klys: yes, slapd installed here...
23:43<klys>salz: there are as many reasons for sdl to fail as there are targets for it having reasons to fail
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23:43<klys>silent: you have to do the modeline2fb thing
23:43<silent>I did that, it didnt have any output
23:43<Salz>klys: it is not failing but blocking...
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23:45[~]klys looks up woody coreutils
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23:45<shotdrop>so i'm getting an error while i'm running an package
23:45<shotdrop>I get “error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory”
23:46<shotdrop>i installed it myself
23:46<shotdrop>but apparently the program isn't seeing it
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23:47<amphi>shotdrop: see if running ldconfig as root makes it happy (if you installed under /usr/local, make sure that's in /etc/ beforehand)
23:48<silent>klys, what the hell is all this crap... front porch, back porch, I thought I was configuring a monitor not a house
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23:50<shotdrop>amphi: make sure what is in /etc/
23:51<amphi>shotdrop: /usr/local/lib ;)
23:51<shotdrop>add that line?
23:51<amphi>it's late...
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23:51<shotdrop>add "include /usr/local/lib"?
23:52<shotdrop>first time doing this?
23:52<shotdrop>ignore that
23:52<klys>silent: ok, I'm not running modeline2fb unless you give me the modeline
23:53<shotdrop>amphi: thanks
23:53<shotdrop>worked fine
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23:53<blood_soil>I tried installing both Etch amd64 and Lenny amd64 and after rebooting my system always locks up at "agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset". Any ideas? I have an Asus P5B-Deluxe motherboard with an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU.
23:54<klys>ra9ftm_home: how do you fare? do you have slapd.conf?
23:54<silent>Modeline "1440x900_60.00" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync
23:54<silent>i guess
23:54<klys>k hold on
23:55<silent>I hate doing things I dont understand
23:55<Salz>ok, my fault, sdl is not broken, but exa rendering is. strabge that it also effcts mplayer -vo sdl
23:55<blood_soil>Can anyone see what I wrote?
23:55<silent>but 60 is pretty much default for a lot of lcds
23:57<peterrooney>blood_soil: are you meaning a dual - boot system ?
23:58<blood_soil>peterrooney: No I tried Etch first and it failed at agpgart. So then formatted those partitions and installed Lenny and it failed in the same way.
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23:59<blood_soil>Make sense?
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