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00:01<klys>silent: append the output to /etc/rfb.modes ; use fbset "1440x900_60.00"
00:01<klys>silent: append the output to /etc/fb.modes ; use fbset "1440x900_60.00"
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00:01<klys>sorry about that
00:01<silent>pastebin it
00:01<klys>ok hold on
00:02<shotdrop>one more
00:02<shotdrop>Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost' error: Name or service not known
00:02<peterrooney>blood_soil: yes, makes sense. s/and Lenny/and then Lenny/
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00:02<blood_soil>peterrooney: Yea, sorry about that. I wasn't clear.
00:03<blood_soil>Any ideas though?
00:03<peterrooney>blood_soil: i'm running a radeon myself. does the 965 chipset require a module? i had to add "radeon" to the end of my /etc/modules
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00:03<gsimmons>blood_soil: Try booting with "agp=off".
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00:03<peterrooney>blood_soil: whooops! cycles.
00:03<blood_soil>peterrooney: I don't know if the 965 chipset requires a module or not. But you know what I don't think my mobo has a 965G chipset. I think it has the 965P chipset.
00:04<klys>...I think
00:04<Salz>peterrooney: you only need the module radeon to do 3d
00:04<blood_soil>peterrooney: P965 chipset. Not sure if that is the same as "965G" that I see when Debian is booting up.
00:04<klys>ra9ftm_home: ping
00:05<peterrooney>what does lspci report?
00:05<blood_soil>peterrooney: How would I do an lscpi?
00:05<peterrooney>as root
00:06<blood_soil>peterrooney: I can't seem to boot it up. It locks up before login prompt.
00:06<peterrooney>blood_soil: SCRATCH THAT lspci is in /usr/bin/
00:07<ra9ftm_home>klys: yes. here is /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file...
00:07<peterrooney>blood_soil: at lilo prompt, enter "Linux init=bin/sh"
00:07<blood_soil>peterrooney: grub prompt?
00:07[~]Salz woud go with agp=off first, too
00:08<silent>klys, what do I do with that block of text?
00:08<peterrooney>Salz: i wouldn't have thought of that for a while
00:08<Salz>blood_soil: append it to the kernel line in grub
00:08<silent>add to fb.modes?
00:08<klys>silent: append it to /etc/fb.modes and run the fbset command with the ""
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00:09<silent>ok brb hopefully
00:09<silent>will the resolution chance instantly? how do I make it permanent?
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00:09<klys>ra9ftm_home: do you also have ldap-utils ?
00:09<blood_soil>salz: so at the very end of the kernel line type "init=bin/sh"
00:10<klys>silent: make note, you run this command from a TTY, not X
00:10<ra9ftm_home>klys: ok, installed now using apt.
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00:10<silent>I know
00:10<Salz>blood_soil: try agp=off
00:10<silent>what do I add to xorg.conf to make it permanent?
00:11<blood_soil>salz: how ?
00:11<klys>silent: make sure you server supports the resolution, or the FB device.
00:11<klys>such as, XDriectFB
00:11<Salz>blood_soil: at the end of the kernel line
00:11<klys>such as, XDirectFB
00:11<silent>the resolution didn't change
00:12<klys>or any FB X server
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00:12<silent>and I know it's supported, I was using 1440x900 on the exact same 64 bit version
00:12<silent>and it detected it and ran fine
00:12<blood_soil>salz: gsimmons: what does agp=off do?
00:12<silent>but on 32 bit, the grand-daddy of compatibility, nothing.
00:12<klys>silent: for X, you may need to adjust your retrace/refresh settings so it doesn't remove/delete the modeline you're using
00:13<klys>you should try svidtune.c if nothing else works
00:13<silent>where might I do that?
00:14<klys>in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
00:15<klys>ra9ftm_home: seems like when I had slapd running I would modify slapd.conf and restart ldap with /etc/init.d/slapd restart
00:16<klys>ra9ftm_home: then it would read the entries I had into the database so that I could add stuff below it.
00:16<Alth>Alright guys, here comes the stupidity - I was installing etch to my old Toshiba laptop. Did a netinst, got the base system up and (because of previous problems), didn't select the desktop packages at the next step of the install, only the small laptop one. I now want a window manager, so I tried apt-getting 'gnome'. I then just tried 'startx'. It...proceeded to crap itself with error messages, mostly about files not existing. What have I missed? *relative
00:16<Alth> noob*
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00:16<Salz>blood_soil: disable the agp acceleration, probably where your kernel gets stuck
00:17<klys>aith: task-gnome?
00:17<silent>klys, why would this work only on 64 bit?
00:17<Alth>Sorry, klyx?
00:17<klys>silent: misconfiguration or incomplete drivers
00:17<peterrooney>Alth: apt-get clean to save space, what does df report?
00:18<silent>klys, I have the latest nvidia
00:18<silent>as of sep 18
00:18<klys>silent: did you use it as a boot option?
00:18<peterrooney>Alth: sorry, what does df report? BEFORE apt-get clean?
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00:18<silent>I have vga=0x317 as a boot option
00:18<Alth>My laptop's in the other room, give me a minute and I'll move it in here >.<
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00:18<klys>silent: you need a video= otherwise you're just using vesafb
00:19<silent>I'm running nvidia though
00:20<klys>nvidia is either for your kernel or for your Xorg compilation
00:20<klys>if Xorg, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:20<silent>I've tried using vesa, nv, and nvidia
00:20<Alth>Which data did you want from df, peter? It gave me filesystem output. But it's a bit long to type it all :)
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00:21<klys>ra9ftm_home: are you able to use ldapadd with any success?
00:21<peterrooney>dont' do that , you get kicked for flooding.
00:22<peterrooney>Alth: the free space on whatever partition holds your /var/cache/apt/archives directory (ususally /dev/hda<NUMBER>
00:22<Alth>I figured, and I don't want to sit here for an hour and type 'Available 6570056 Use%11' etc :P
00:22<peterrooney>Alth: df -h for more human readable output
00:23<Alth>6.3Gb free on my root directory.
00:23<Alth>But just doing some reading online, and I've realised that I'm a complete knob.
00:24<Alth>Installing X might help. *headdesk*
00:24<peterrooney>Alth: no you're not, just not familiar.
00:25<Alth>Yeah, I guess, but I still feel pretty lame. ^^
00:25<peterrooney>Alth: tasksel , and also dpkg-reconfigure --all might help.
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00:25<ra9ftm_home>klys: I will try this later...
00:26<klys>ra9ftm_home: cool, I am at
00:26<Alth>What are they for, Peter?
00:27<klys>silent: look at youre modes section in Xorg.conf. if needed, add the mode
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00:27<p0stel>I LOVE DEBIAN
00:27<klys>yes, it is configurable
00:28<p0stel>it is amazing
00:28<silent>Klys, add the mode as "1440x900_60.00" ? "1440x900" is already there
00:28<klys>tried thunar yet?
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00:28<klys>make sure they match
00:30<silent>Modes "1440x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" <-- that's it
00:30<klys>then define the modeline similarly
00:30<peterrooney>Alth: tasksel is a very simple front end for choosing basic tasks such as desktop, web server, mail server, etc . dpkg-reconfigure --all re-runs all pre- and post- installation scripst for each package
00:30<klys>between ""
00:30<klys>in the appropriate place you might see it within the .conf in a google hit
00:30<silent>the whole modeline or the 1440X900_60.00 from fb.mods?
00:31<Alth>So tasksel is what I would have seen at the end of my installation process?
00:31<klys>you have the original, use it for X
00:31<silent>where is the original?
00:31<peterrooney>Alth: quite likely.
00:31<silent>its just 1440x900 with nothing close to that in fb.modes
00:31<klys>silent: it's what you pasted here earlier
00:33<klys>fbset only works with a video= boot option passed to the kernel, probably video=nvidiafb or similar
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00:34<dbkim>Can anyone suggest me a better irc server of general purpose than
00:35<silent>put that whole thing in "" ?
00:35<dbkim>klys, !!! thanks :)
00:35<klys>, /join #books
00:35<Alth>Seconding freenode, dbkim :)
00:35<dbkim>Seconding freenode?
00:35<dbkim>what do you mean?
00:35<klys>seems to work
00:35<Alth>Er...I also think that that's a good idea? ^^
00:36<dbkim>thanks mates :)
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00:36<Alth>Have fun. ;)
00:36<silent>klys, why use fbset when I can have a modeline in xorg.conf? isn't it a bit trivial?
00:37<klys>silent: it only works with Xorg. fbset is more kernel-tolerant
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00:38<silent>well I'm not going to be using any other window manager so I'm sure it working only with xorg should be fine
00:38<klys>you will eventually decide, having used debian or linux long enough, X isn't everything and you need a TTY
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00:39<silent>the vga=0x317 gives me 1440x900 in tty
00:39<klys>ok n1ce
00:39<silent>its the gui I'm concerned about
00:39<silent>and its inability to function
00:39<klys>then just use your fb
00:40<silent>I'm going to to a reconfigure first
00:40<klys>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
00:43<silent>already newest version
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00:45<klys>dpkg -S /usr/bin/Xorg
00:45<dpkg>There is no record of a /usr/bin/Xorg package
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00:56<silent>klys, I have a higher res now, after dpkg-reconfigure, but still not 1440x900
00:56<silent>I'm at 1280x800
00:57<silent>I have an entry in fb.modes, how do I enable it through xorg?
00:59<klys>lessee, you need to paste your Xorg.conf now
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01:07<klys>lessee, you need to paste your Xorg.conf now
01:07<silent_>klys... This isn't working
01:08<silent_>I added a Modes section to my xorg.conf and added in the modeline for 1440x900, and it doesnt load it
01:08<klys>want a tell me about doesn't work?
01:09<silent_>its the only option in xorg, there are no other resolutions anywhere in the file, yet I have 4 options in the gui menu none of which are 1440x900
01:09<klys>I would probably look at another xorg.conf, which actually uses a modeline or two
01:09<silent_>that's what I did
01:09<silent_>copied it exactly
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01:10<klys>what package is your menu associated with?
01:10<silent_>how can I tell?
01:10<klys>or see Xorg.0.log again
01:11<silent_>I'll pastebin my xorg.conf, and myxorg.0.log
01:11<klys>try the ctrl+alt++ thing, and check the log
01:11<silent_>ctrl alt + doesnt do anything
01:11<klys>ok, then you only have one resolution active
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01:12<klys>take this one out of /etc/fb.modes
01:12<klys>on an lcd system, you should really take the old fb.modes somewhere else and just use the one mode
01:12<silent_>why do I need to take anything out, why cant I just add an entry for 1440x900 andha
01:13<silent_>have it detect*
01:13<klys>well, it should
01:13<klys>if not, then try it with the one
01:14<klys>it might have something to do with your clocks settings, or with this being the highest available resolution
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01:16<silent>klys, no dice
01:16<silent>restarted x
01:16<silent>with fb.modes only one mode
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01:16<silent>whereshould the modeline be in xorg.conf?
01:16<klys>see your logs
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01:17<klys>ok I'll have a look around
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01:18<klys>this is difficult because my lcd is 1024x768 and I don't use any modeline
01:18<silent>, have a blast
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01:22<Alth>I'm getting a GPG error with apt-get, apparently due to signing keys according to Google. However, all info I can find on fixing this is out of date. Can someone walk me through it?
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01:24<silent>klys, did you read that file?
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01:45<klys>silent: I did, and it's a mess. if you want I'll post mine
01:46<klys>...O mean it's probably a mess too
01:49<suiside>Alth: on what repositories?
01:51<Alth>suiside - never mind, it was a problem with the date being wrong due to laptop's stupid BIOS, I was having to jump through too many hoops just to get a window-manager running so I'm reinstalling clean tonight. ^_^
01:51<suiside>okay, suit yourself
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02:48<littleb>anyone know how to install nvidia driver on debian lenny
02:48<littleb>as i got a little problem
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02:49<BoBo-B>cache size : 256 KB this is ram ?
02:51<tmg1|linux>where does that number come from?
02:51<tmg1|linux>generally cache != ram
02:52<littleb>cache size : 256 KB this is ram i think it may be processer cache
02:52<BoBo-B>but i have 512
02:52<tmg1|linux>512 MB no doubt
02:53<tmg1|linux>try 'free -m'
02:53<littleb>yes 512mb is your real ram
02:53<littleb>processer cache and ram are 2 diffrent things
02:53<BoBo-B>Mem: 503 479 24 0 1 160
02:53<tmg1|linux>and then 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' is the cache 256 there?
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02:54<tmg1|linux>as he said, the 'free' command told you essentially that you have 512mb ram, (with some more specific info), and the cpuinfo showed you that your cpu has 256kb of cache. You can think of cache as a faster ram, located on or extremely nearby your cpu chip itself
02:55<sheldonh>i wonder why debtree isn't in the debian archive
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02:58<BoBo-B>how install my video card ?
02:58<littleb>@bobo what the make of your video card
02:59<BoBo-B>i have nvidia
02:59<BoBo-B>64 mb
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03:00<littleb>what debian are you running testing stable or sid
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03:01<littleb>i having problem with the nvidia driver my self but i see if i can help ya
03:02<BoBo-B>how can i see...
03:02<BoBo-B>testing or stable =))
03:02<tmg1|linux>BoBo-B: littleb did you install the xorg nv drivers from dselect/aptitude?
03:03<littleb>@tmg1 no am trying to install the nvidia driver using the offical nvidia installer
03:04<BoBo-B>tmg1|linux yes
03:04<littleb>@tmg1 am running lenny the error i get is Kernel configuration is invalid."
03:05<BoBo-B>but how upgrate to 686 :))
03:05<Eulex>you install the 686 one
03:05<tmg1|linux>BoBo-B: if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does it choose the nv driver(instead of say, vesa or something weird?)
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03:06<tmg1|linux>(ie do you get any gui at all?)
03:07<BoBo-B>i have a problem
03:08<BoBo-B>how can i see a process that use so much ram
03:09<BoBo-B>i have 512 and free 18 :O
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03:09<littleb>@bobo are you running kde
03:10<Eulex>BoBo-B, but you've got 160mb file caches, which at anytime could be turned into application memory if needed.
03:10<littleb>what are you using a windows manager or desktop envouirment
03:10<tmg1|linux>BoBo-B: what process?
03:10<Eulex>BoBo-B, you've got ~320mb used application memory right now
03:10<tmg1|linux>what Eulex said
03:11<BoBo-B>yes Eulex i have used 320
03:11<Eulex>BoBo-B, in any case, use 'top' to check out what apps use a lot of memory. type '<' three times to make it sort by RES
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03:12<BoBo-B>Tasks: 103 total, 3 running, 100 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
03:12<BoBo-B>Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st
03:12<BoBo-B>Mem: 515956k total, 498576k used, 17380k free, 3576k buffers
03:13<Eulex>please don't paste into the channel
03:13<sheldonh>does aptitude search ~d only search the first line of the descriptions?
03:13<BoBo-B>498576k used is to ...
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03:14<Eulex>BoBo-B, and the lines you are interested in are the ones below. and I already told you why almost all your ram is used, and why that isn't bad or what you should refer to.
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03:14<BoBo-B>8012 root 15 0 144m 114m 6208 S 0.0 22.8
03:15<Eulex>and what process is that?
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03:15<BoBo-B>a counter-strike server
03:15<BoBo-B>and what is /usr/sbin/
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03:15<BoBo-B>what is slimserver ?
03:15<Antti>A problem with installing with netinstall, pppoe, Etch
03:15<Antti>My ISP does not provide DHCP, so I configured network manually, all data I got from windows by ipconfig /all
03:15<Antti>I left http proxy field empty, my LAN uses http proxy but internet connection does not so I supposed I do not need it.
03:15<Antti>However during installation, "configuring APT - scanning the mirror" phase does not work out, whatever mirror I choose.
03:15<Antti>My internet is through pppoe, but at no point netinstall asks
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03:16<Eulex>BoBo-B, it appears to be a streaming audio server. apt-cache show slimserver.
03:16<tmg1|linux>antti: are you on bigpond?
03:17<BoBo-B>Eulex and how remove and uninstall this audio server ?
03:17<sheldonh>nice! grep-available -ns Package -F Description "This package is part of KDE"
03:19<Eulex>BoBo-B, you use apt-get.
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03:19<BoBo-B>apt-get remove ?
03:19<BoBo-B>or --purge ?
03:20<Eulex>BoBo-B, apt-get remove, but you may want --purge too. man apt-get, look up --purge.
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03:22<Eulex>BoBo-B, hmm, indeed, what purge means wasn't described in the man page. it means 'don't just remove the program, remove config files too'
03:22<BoBo-B>Eulex and a firewall for doss attack ?
03:22<sheldonh>aptitude remove foo && aptitude purge ~c
03:22<sheldonh>(assuming you always want uninstalled packages purged)
03:23<Eulex>BoBo-B, built into your kernel. iptables. you will have to enable it, though.
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03:25<|HellTiger|>how can i integrate this at system boot? "rmmod usbhid && modprobe usbhid mousepoll=2"
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03:27<dli>|HellTiger|, put a line in /etc/modules : usbhid mousepoll=2
03:27<dli>|HellTiger|, or use modconf
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04:45<ra9ftm_home>I am trying to use squid as transparent proxy, but it give the following error:
04:45<ra9ftm_home>Restarting Squid HTTP proxy: squid2007/09/30 21:43:45| parseConfigFile: line 8 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_host virtual'
04:45<ra9ftm_home>what's wrong?
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04:51<ifvoid>ra9ftm_home: well, there is an error on line 8 of you config file
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04:51<gsimmons>ra9ftm_home: You're using an unrecognised directive (following instructions for Squid 2.5?). See <> for what you should be using in 2.6/3.0.
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04:59<ra9ftm_home>ok, transparent proxy is done with http_port transparent now. =)
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05:00<ra9ftm_home>(in new version)
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05:10<mew>For some reason my installation picked amd64 for my arch, even though i have Intel Core 2 Duo, is this right?
05:10<mew>It installed 2.6.22-amd64
05:11<Eulex>amd64 = x86_64
05:12<Eulex>mew, but well, there might be an x86_64 kernel that was optimized for use with intel cpus (though this one will work perfectly). do a search in your repos.
05:13<mew>It wouldnt show in apt right?
05:13<Eulex>it would
05:13<mew>I can only see 386 and 486.
05:13<mew>And EM/IA
05:13<Alternativende>aptitude search linux-image.2.6 ??
05:13<mew>I am using sid because apparently its the only way to get my wireless card working
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05:13<Alternativende>Install the right one then
05:13<Eulex>eh, oh. I assumed you meant that you installed the amd64 _arch_. you've install the i386 arch but you run an amd64 kernel.
05:14<Eulex>mew, untrue, you can use stable or testing and run a newer kernel.
05:14<mew>Linux anonymous 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 13:54:41 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
05:14<mew>Well yea, i know.
05:14<mew>I actually didnt choose amd64 even though it loaded it for some reason.
05:15<Eulex>what installer?
05:15<mew>I did an aptitude search and it doesnt show any other archs other than amd64.
05:15<mew>The windows-grub version one.
05:15<Eulex>I think you've got a little mixup of terms there
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05:16<mew>Hehe, there is a grub loader for the windows bootloader.
05:16<mew>And basically it loads the kernel from a ntfs partition
05:16<mew>So you load the kernel and initrd
05:16<mew>And then it installs in to the partition i choose
05:16<Eulex>when you install debian, you install it for a certain arch, or architecture. you'll only be able to install stuff for that arch.
05:17<Eulex>that is, all kernels in aptitude/apt-cache etc will be for the same arch
05:17<mew>Well yea i noticed that... Is it possible it autodetected amd64 for my core 2 duo?
05:17<Eulex>you've still not told us what installer you used. as in whether you install i386 or amd64.
05:18<mew>I never picked amd64
05:18<Eulex>what installer did you download?
05:18<mew>Ill show you... One sec.
05:18<Eulex>in any case, there are some exceptions for amd64/i386. it's possible to run an amd64 kernel, but i386 userspace.
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05:19<Eulex>no idea how that one works. and it's not any of the officially supported ways of installing debian.
05:20<mew>Well, if amd64 isnt the right arch for my system i need to reinstall everything right?
05:20<Eulex>not at all
05:20<Eulex>amd64 will work perfectly
05:20<mew>Oh, cool.
05:20<Eulex>except that some proprietary software won't work
05:20<Eulex>in the cases where no amd64 versions of it are available
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05:21<mew>Is there a x86_64 kernel?
05:21<mew>Also, even though it should have, 2.6.22 isnt finding my Intel 4965AGN Wireless Card :(
05:22<Eulex>the -amd64 kernel is the 'basic' x86_64 kernel
05:22<Eulex>x86_64 = amd64 in debian
05:22<Eulex>mew, you'll need the iwlwifi driver.
05:22<mew>I see so i dont have a choice if i want to run 64 bit software right?
05:23<Eulex>what do you mean?
05:23<mew>As in, there would be no point in trying to change my kernel arch?
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05:24<Eulex>it wouldn't work
05:24<Eulex>note that amd64 and x86_64 are _identical_
05:24<Eulex>only difference is name and pronounciation.
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05:25<Eulex>and debian chose to use the amd64 term
05:25<mew>I understand. Ill download the iwlwifi firmware.
05:26<Eulex>mew, in any case, what does dpkg --print-architecture output?
05:26<mew>The new kernel discovered more ACPI options for my laptop, but when i use the special functions such as the volume knob it freezes the system for a few seconds.
05:27<Eulex>and 486, 686 etc kernels show up in apt-cache search? odd.
05:28<mew>Note, selecting kernel-image-2.4-386 for regex ‘kernel-image*’
05:28<mew>Note, selecting kernel-image-2.6-itanium for regex ‘kernel-image*’
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05:30<mew>Do you guys know what i could do to debug some problems i have with ALSA? Im not seeing any serious problems with dmesg and lspci can find the device
05:30<mew>(Basically sound isnt working)
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05:30<Eulex>mew, kernel-image-* packages are deprecated. that notation for linux kernel images was used in sarge. in etch they are linux-image-*
05:31<Eulex>mew, run alsaconf?
05:31<mew>Eulex, i already did that when i first booted the system, and the mixers are full.
05:31<Eulex>mew, and unmuted?
05:31<mew>Yep, it should show MM if its muted right?
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05:33<mew>Master is 100 and PCM is 100
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05:33<mew>It found my modem so it has some other "Off hook" options that i dont think matter
05:33<cahoot>mew, start debugging alsa with aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term
05:33<mew>would cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp work?
05:34<cahoot>aplay is pure alsa hence better suited
05:34<mew>It says it played it, and no errors, but no sound comes out.
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05:35<cahoot>mew, cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one ? which is card0?
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05:35<mew> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
05:35<mew> HDA Intel at 0xf0800000 irq 22
05:35<mew>Its a Realtec based card with modem
05:36<cahoot>mew, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - anything returned?
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05:36<mew>/dev/snd/controlC0: mew 4082 F.... mixer_applet2
05:38<cahoot>mew, as far as alsa is concerned everything is fine - my guess is you card ahs inssufficient support in the driver - you might have luck using some option described in ALSA-Configuration.txt
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05:39<littleb>anyone got any idea why am getting this error ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.
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05:40<w00ter>Hi, I'm running Debian Etch on my servers, and i am trying to recompile the kernel with some changes according to this guide; , but at the yaird --output line, i'm getting the following error; I am absolutely clueless on what to do with that. Can't find a solution on google.
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05:41<lupine_85>w00ter: it means it tried to run the command "/sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version sd-mod", which failed somehow
05:41<mew>cahoot, i used some options described in a tutorial but it seems to do nothing. Ill try looking for more options, a last question whats the right regex for the latest i810 driver?
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05:41<lupine_85>as for how to fix.... not a clue. If I were you, i'd try running the command manually to see why it's failing
05:44<cahoot>mew, about i810 - no idea, about sound - just one more thing - you have really made sure the card is unmuted?
05:44<mew>Well, in alsamixer the bars are full and they both say 100
05:44<cahoot>mute status is different from levels
05:45<mew>dont you press "M" to mute/unmute?
05:46<mew>Thats strange, you know how there is usually a box that says either 00 or MM?
05:46<mew>In the two sound options that box doesnt exist.
05:46<w00ter>/sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version sd-mod
05:46<w00ter>FATAL: Module sd_mod not found.
05:46<w00ter>FATAL: Module sd_mod not found.
05:46<w00ter>lupine_85 - u mean running the command like this?
05:46<cahoot>mew, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 *should* unmute as well as set levels
05:47<mew>Yea, it reset the levels, but for some reason Master wont mute.
05:48<mew>I mean if i press M over master it doesnt do anything.
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05:48<mew>Ill send a screenshot
05:49<lupine_85>w00ter: that's why it's failing, then
05:49<lupine_85>you might need to enable that module in the kernel config, or maybe the modules need installing
05:49<w00ter>okay, lets see if i can find that one out :)
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06:26<Aleric>I tried to start some program... and all it did was change the resolution of my monitors.
06:26<Aleric>I can't get it back to what it was :/
06:27<Aleric>The size of my desktop didn't change, it's still 3360x1050
06:27<Aleric>But now I see just a part of it at a time through a single monitor.
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06:29<mew>Does amd64 not have 2.6.22-2?
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06:31<janux-xmind>hi! folks
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06:31<janux-xmind>can someone help me to set my midi keyboard on debian etch?
06:31<mew>i think my repos suck
06:31<janux-xmind>my midi port
06:31<gsimmons>!info linux-image-2.6.22-4-amd64
06:31<gsimmons>!info linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64
06:31<dpkg>linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64: (Linux 2.6.22 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 17978 kB, Installed size: 69280 kB
06:33<janux-xmind>does anyboby knows how to configure midi on debian etch?
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06:33<mew>my repo sucked, i chose another one
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06:36<Aleric>Does anyone know how to switch my monitor(s) back to their old resolution, please?
06:36<Aleric>xrandr doesn't work :(
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06:36<mew>Using local repos fils
06:37<mew>It doesnt even have 2.6.22-2
06:37<mew>I have to use one in germany
06:37<Aleric>I guess I'll reboot :/
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06:57<EmleyMoor>I am having a problem getting my audio devices to load in the desired order, often resulting in the one that is supported by snd_ens1371 not loading at all.
06:58<EmleyMoor>I can't tell why - if I use alsaconf, it can be made to work, but then it becomes the only one. I really need this as my second sound card
06:58<cahoot>EmleyMoor, see 3.14
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06:59<cahoot>EmleyMoor, and /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.debian
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07:02<EmleyMoor>How do I make changes in /etc/modprobe.d "take"?
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07:02<cahoot>yoe edit alsa-base there
07:03<cahoot>then force-reload alsa
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07:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... how do I prevent "abnormal" drivers from grabbing any index lower than 3?
07:04<cahoot>what's abnormal?
07:05<EmleyMoor>The word used in alsa-base
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07:05<EmleyMoor>snd-bt87x would be an example
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07:06<EmleyMoor>And, how do I force-reload?
07:06<cahoot>invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
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07:07<EmleyMoor>Ah, well, it looks like my desired cards are in their desired places now.
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07:07<EmleyMoor>Next, there used to be a little speaker at the top right of my desktop that led to the volume control. It's gone - how do I restore it?
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07:08<EmleyMoor>It could be that...
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07:09<cahoot>well how can one knoe in lieu of any info
07:09<EmleyMoor>I have only lieu, not info
07:10<EmleyMoor>Like I said, it could be that. It vanished while I was tinkering and hasn't returned
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07:10<nickzxcv>hi, if there is an error in a patch of a package, should I attach to the bugreport a patch of the patch, or just send the fixed patch. its just a one line syntax error.
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07:12<EmleyMoor>OK - let us assume it is that - how do I get it back?
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07:12<cahoot>add it to the bar? like right-click on the bar maybe?
07:13<EmleyMoor>No, this was in the tray
07:13<fxiny>what lieu ? lieu as in cognac ?
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07:15<EmleyMoor>lieu as in absence
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07:17<fxiny>absence ? lieu sounds like place
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07:17<cahoot>like 'in place of' ?
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07:18<cahoot>like 'instead of' ?
07:18<fxiny>it means that , so in a way means absence
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07:19<fxiny>lieu = luogo = "location"
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07:20<fxiny>maybe place is better than location
07:21<ra9ftm_home>I need a help with postfix. I installed postfix+dovecot. SASL authentification ok, but server still rejects mail:
07:21<ra9ftm_home>postfix/smtpd[8215]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from blablabla[]: 554 5.7.1 <>: Relay access denied;
07:21<EmleyMoor>As I say, this applet has vanished and doesn't look like returning without my action...
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07:22<fxiny>yeahhhhh : as that fine linguists of (Larry Wall) would say : inplace , perl inplace
07:22<EmleyMoor>... and I don't know what action to take
07:24<fxiny>a gnome applet ? should came back by right clicking+add
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07:24<gsimmons>ra9ftm_home: Can you pastebin your /etc/postfix/ file?
07:24<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:24<EmleyMoor>Also, on a totally different note, the system has set up my optical drives as cdrom2/dvd2 and cdrom3/dvd3 - things that assume /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd may get confused. Is it normal to supply symlinks yourself?
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07:25<EmleyMoor>Volume control back
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07:28<gsimmons>ra9ftm_home: Please supply your configuration at a pastebin, not as a private message.
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07:28<ra9ftm_home>gsimmons: hmm. what is pastebin?
07:29<fxiny>bloody hell : i'm playing with firefox/adblock to enable/disable flash/video . some cnn (one of the dirty/unfriendly ever url) links are some gazillions letters long ! like worm/exploits !
07:29<gsimmons>ra9ftm_home: See dpkg's last statement.
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07:29<EmleyMoor>Do I supply my own /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd symlinks or can the system do it for me?
07:30<fxiny>i wouldn't be surprise to hear some of this flash crap url is actually controlling my box
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07:40<BoBo-B>how insert a php-infusion ?
07:40<BoBo-B>or how install
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07:48<EmleyMoor>Some software assumes my first CD drive is mapped to /dev/cdrom
07:48<EmleyMoor>It is in fact /dev/cdrom2 - do I make my own symlink to sort this or is there some "proper" way I should use
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07:51<fxiny>do you mean /etc/fstab ---> /media/cdrom symlink ?
07:51<EmleyMoor>fxiny: No
07:52<EmleyMoor>Nothing to do with /media - purely /dev
07:52<BoBo-B>what is phpfusion ?
07:52<BoBo-B>or how install phpfusion
07:53<EmleyMoor>I forget what the program was that was called the other day and was making that assumption
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07:57<fxiny>EmleyMoor: all i know is : if /dev/cdrom does not exist on a alt-f2 console run modprobe ide-cd
07:57<EmleyMoor>fxiny: It's been given /dev/cdrom2
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07:59<fxiny> is cdrom2 a symlink to hdd ?
07:59<fxiny>and cdrom1 to hdc ?
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08:00<EmleyMoor>cdrom1 -> hde
08:00<EmleyMoor>cdrom2 -> hdg
08:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: cdrom drives are also sorted by udev, trying to give a unique device a unique name, just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
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08:00<fxiny>ohh the magic udev handy file ! i forgot it !
08:01<valdyn>it's to bad this breaks when a cdrom moves from hdX to sdX
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08:02<valdyn>at least usually
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08:03<valdyn>or maybe cdroms dont have a unique id as harddisks do
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08:04<EmleyMoor>I can't make out what's what in that file
08:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its 2 lines per cdrom drive found
08:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the first line is # ( commented out ), just giving the raw name and an id
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08:05<EmleyMoor>How does it determine the IDs?
08:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the 2nd line is the udev rule for that cdrom drive and the symlink that will point to it
08:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: now find your cdrom drive and pick whatever symlink you like
08:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and make sure there's no identical symlink in there twice
08:06<EmleyMoor>There's too much rubbish in the file
08:06<gsimmons>BoBo-B: Installation instructions can be found within the PHP-Fusion handbook <>. Dependent software (ie. Apache1/2, PHP4, mod_php4 and mySQL) can be installed via Debian packages.
08:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor: umm
08:06<EmleyMoor>How do I generate it again from scratch?
08:06<valdyn>just delete that whole file
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08:07<EmleyMoor>... deleted...
08:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: reading it isnt hard, there's a "# PIONEER_DVD-RW_DVR-111D" for instance, which is self explanatory
08:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and a SYMLINK+="cdrom1", which i could change to SYMLINK+="my_cdrom" or whatever
08:08<EmleyMoor>I've just deleted the file... there's now nothing there...
08:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: "/etc/init.d/udev force-reload" probablyt
08:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or reboot
08:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that file should respawn then
08:09<EmleyMoor>File has not respawned on a force-reload
08:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what do i know, i didn't read the docs either
08:10<EmleyMoor>OK - it looks like I will have to reboot
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08:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you don't have to, certainly, but if you can, just do it
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08:19<CaptainPants>Somewhere along the line, I installed something, which is giving ddd(gdb) a 'deep' level of source, through allocation and deallocation specifically; is there some kind of a 'source' or 'header' deb package that I need to keep installed to make sure this level of code detail remains? Did the previous question make any sense to anyone?
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08:19<tmg1>I used visual studio once, and it had this feature, and I've been wanting it ever since, and suddenly it just started working. Is this a new-debian-stable thing?
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08:39<haier_on_Mars>can you halp me using opengl applications with ltsp in debian ?
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08:57<EmleyMoor>OK - my CD drives are now sensible...
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08:57<EmleyMoor>However, my sound cards have reverted again! I need to get them in the right positions and to stay there after a reboot
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08:58<gsimmons>ra9ftm: You'll need to provide your current Postfix configuration (/etc/postfix/ at a pastebin.
08:58<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
08:58<EmleyMoor>It seems as though it's insisting on loading snd-bt87x before snd-ens1371 - or even instead of...
08:59<EmleyMoor>How do I make it load in the order I say?
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09:00<EmleyMoor>I can't see much use for snd-bt87x anyway
09:00<cahoot>so blacklist it?
09:00<ra9ftm>gsimmons: ok here it is:
09:01<EmleyMoor>cahoot: I might...
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09:01<EmleyMoor>I'm just unimpressed that whatever I achieve with this reverts at the next reboot
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09:02<tomv_w>say, what was the replacement of base-config in etch?
09:06<fxiny>iirc you can tell alsa what card you want
09:06<gsimmons>ra9ftm: You would want to change the ordering of smtpd_recipient_restrictions: <> (line 47).
09:07<EmleyMoor>fxiny: You can tell it but it won't listen
09:09<ra9ftm>gsimmons: Oh! Thank you! Now it is working :-) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination !!
09:09<ra9ftm>gsimmons: I am happy
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09:14<fxiny>EmleyMoor: heheh this is funny : i've grepped through my notes looking for somehting like "alsa/card/blacklist/sound" ; found a couple of this chan paste : it seems likely you are after this issue since a long time :))
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09:15<fxiny>next i will just grep for "EmleyMoor" :)
09:15<nichos>Hi all, when I search for gnutella, I don't see gtk-gnutella, is it not in debian?
09:16<Eulex>nichos, it is, but not in stable
09:16<nichos>Eulex :O it used to be, so im guessing they removed it?
09:16<bzed>.... is there still a use for that network?
09:16<nichos>bzed big time
09:17<nichos>bzed unless you know of something better?
09:18<Eulex>nichos, when a testing is made into a stable, only packages that don't have release-blocking bugs and the like are included in stable. my guess is that gtk-gnutella didn't pass that one at that time...
09:18<bzed>see #396132
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09:21<sheldonh>tada! figured out how to take just kde and openoffice from etch-backports:
09:21<fxiny>which kde version ?
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09:22<fxiny>ok : i'll juice that star :)
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09:25[~]fxiny pinning ? when in a coma dial 999
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09:26<mew>Why doesnt xrandr display the modes 915resolution finds in the bios?
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09:27<Eulex>mew, take a look in your Xorg.0.log. also, are the modes in your xorg.conf?
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09:30<mew>Oh, i thought in the newer versions the resolutions were taken directly from the bios
09:30<mew>But in xorg.conf the driver is generic, is this right for a X1300?
09:32<Eulex>you mean vesa?
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09:33<Eulex>the vesa driver will _only_ be able to use the video modes advertised through vesa vbe from your video bios. note that this _often_ does not include all modes the card supports.
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09:37<ra9ftm>I have two ppp connections to internet. How to tune so, that one programm on my local mashine gone via one connection, and another program - via second connection? Is it done only with iptables?
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09:38<skiter>ra9ftm, iptables + iproute
09:39<mew>Yea, it says vesa, even though i have a i9xx Intel Graphics chipset, i got the firmware, how do i get the driver? its suppose to be included in this kernel
09:40<ra9ftm>eto pipec :(
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09:40<Eulex>mew, the driver is not included with the kernel
09:40<mew>I mean, its included with sid heh
09:41<mew>version 2.1.1 of intel-video
09:41<skiter>ra9ftm, or use with route if you set the ip to connect with another ppp connection
09:41<Eulex>yes, xserver-xorg-video-intel
09:41<mew>Yep, its latest for sid
09:41<mew>But it wasnt added to xorg.conf, should i add it?
09:42<Eulex>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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09:43<EmleyMoor>OK - before I try blacklisting it, what is the use (as in what would I use it for and how) of snd-bt87x?
09:45<Aleric>With what command can I see the authoritive nameserver of some domain?
09:46<Eulex>EmleyMoor, as a driver for a soundcard?
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09:46<fxiny>host ?
09:46<EmleyMoor>Eulex: But what is its PURPOSE? I understand it's for the WinTV etc. audio capture but I have no idea how that would be used
09:47<Eulex>EmleyMoor, capture audio from it?
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09:47<EmleyMoor>But with what/how? I have never seen anything that would allow me to achieve it
09:48<Eulex>any audio recorder? (as it's an alsa driver)
09:48<EmleyMoor>I haven't seen one that will allow me to select it - and the best one I've got doesn't (in etch) support ALSA
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09:52<EmleyMoor>How do I save the settings of the Volume Control application?
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09:54<mew>Eulex, now gnome is all weird, the top bar stayed at 1024 and wont resize lol, and gdm is at 1024 even though the screen is at 1280
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09:55<Eulex>mew, odd
09:55<Eulex>EmleyMoor, for alsa? alsactl store
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09:56<EmleyMoor>Eulex: If it returns the prompt, is it done?
09:57<Eulex>EmleyMoor, yes.
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10:01<EmleyMoor>People will be realising just how much I like "Farmhouse Kitchen" at this rate
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10:01<mew>Eulex, its being silly because its finding a random "TV" connected to my laptop
10:01<mew>Even though its not
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10:02<Eulex>mew, reconfigure it to not use it.
10:02<mew>The reconfiguration said nothing about a TV
10:02<EmleyMoor>It will be nice when I can wave goodbye to OSS for good
10:02<Eulex>mew, manually in xorg.conf this time.
10:03<Eulex>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't do for such specific settings
10:03[~]EmleyMoor just replaced his DVD writer - only to discover that the problem was bad media after all
10:04<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to record the output of one sound card on another without a wire link between them?
10:04<mew>great! reconfigure removed all the font entries
10:04<mew>Eulex, there is no "TV" entry in xorg
10:05<mew>Only Screen/Monitor
10:05<widrone>EmleyMoor: I remember some sound friends mention jack some years ago, heard of it?
10:05<EmleyMoor>I don't know jack <g>
10:05<Eulex>mew, font entries are not needed. man intel for options specific to your driver.
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10:06<widrone>EmleyMoor: I think that was the software name atleast, like a virtual jack table thingy.
10:06<EmleyMoor>Jack Audio Connection Kit?
10:06<mew>It autodetected "intel" but a howto for my laptop talks about i810, what should i use?
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10:07<widrone>EmleyMoor: Dont seem like the jack that is in debian, so no go sorry.
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10:07<widrone>EmleyMoor: ah there was a jackd asw, maybe...
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10:09[~]EmleyMoor sees some possibly useful stuff
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10:10<acadia>order a dedicated server, intel conroe, they were to install debian 64 bit
10:10<acadia>under uname 0a
10:10<acadia>uname -a
10:11<acadia>what should it state if it's debian 64 bit build?
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10:17<EmleyMoor>widrone: Any more ideas how I might achieve recording one sound card to another without going via my amplifier?
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10:19<tmg1>bzed: gnutella is better than it's ever been for finding adult material. Not that I would know..uh
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10:20<widrone>EmleyMoor: Not really sorry, I dont dabble in sound at all. (They are just 4 tracks of enbedded aes/ebu in my sdi signal)
10:22<tmg1>EmleyMoor: do your soundcards have different dev files?
10:22<EmleyMoor>tmgl: Yes
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10:23<tmg1>what about just using cat? that wouldn't work, would it?
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10:24<EmleyMoor>tmgl: You mean I have something playing on one card, cat it
10:24<v4mpire>guys how do i direct a port into a guestos in vmserver ?
10:24<mew>Eulex, i just found it apt-get removed gnome
10:24<EmleyMoor>... into the other and Roberta's my aunt?
10:24<mew>evolution: Depends: evolution-common (= 2.10.3-1) but 2.12.0-1 is to be installed
10:24<mew>E: Broken packages
10:24<mew>because of this
10:25<mew>:'( wtf...
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10:25<mew>gnome depends on evolution and evolution needs that version and its old in sid
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10:27<dpkg>the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq>
10:27<Eulex>mew, why are you running unstable if you can't handle it?
10:27<mark__>Can anyone help me out with this problem? xserver-xorg-core won't install (won't even unpack!) ? -->
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10:28<EmleyMoor>tmgl: Hmmm... that works - though the recording level is a bit low I can probably fix that
10:28<mark__>on unstable
10:28<mew>Eulex, i would be able to handle it if they didnt break deps
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10:28<EmleyMoor>(though I have to start the cat after starting audacity or it doesn't want to know about dsp1
10:28<mark__>I've completely removed all xorg packages first
10:28<tmg1>EmleyMoor: it's not working for me
10:28<Eulex>mark__, it depends on other packages to install.
10:28<tmg1>but then again my equipment is shit
10:28<Eulex>mew, unstable is unstable because it breaks sometimes.
10:29<mark__>Eulex: this happens with apt-get install xserver-xorg
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10:29<tmg1>mew: that's what makes sid's constantly broken :)
10:29<mew>The packages, not the way its organized
10:29<mark__>tmg1: not usually... not completely busted :-/
10:30<mew>Unless by sid they mean throwing random packages together and not bothering to check if they have proper versions
10:30<Eulex>mark__, file a bug... and include what happens when you apt-get install xserver-xorg, not when you run that dpkg --unpack command
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10:30<Eulex>mew, your repo doesn't have a 2.12 version of evolution-common?
10:31<mark__>Eulex: I pasted that because thats the root of the problem in the entire "apt-get install xserver-xorg" process.
10:31<mew>read it again Eulex
10:31<mark__>Eulex: it dies on unpack of xserver-xorg-core
10:31<mew>evolution-common (= 2.10.3-1) but 2.12.0-1
10:31<mew>it needs a smaller version
10:31<EmleyMoor>Wow! That works
10:31<mew>As in, gnome needs 2.10, but the repo has 2.12
10:31<EmleyMoor>cat dsp >dsp1
10:31<tmg1>EmleyMoor: got it working?
10:31<mew>Its not => its =
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10:32<EmleyMoor>(after starting audacity)
10:32<Eulex>mew, evolution-common (= 2.12.0-1) here. what version of evolution?
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10:32<mark__>Eulex: then all the deps fail because it's left not-installed
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10:32<EmleyMoor>Use Capture level in volume control to make sure it records loud enough (without distorting)
10:32<EmleyMoor>It will even record live streams
10:32<mew>I have 2.12 too, isnt it weird that its asking for 2.10.3?
10:32<Eulex>mark__, that's because the directory is missing. and that's not strange if you do dpkg --unpack
10:33<mew>Basically evolution is a dep of gnome.
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10:33<Eulex>mew, apt-cache show evolution
10:33<Eulex>mew, gnome is a metapackage.
10:33<Eulex>mew, removing it _won't_ damage your system.
10:33<mew>I know
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10:34<EmleyMoor>Those of you who maintain a music collection on your system: How do you deal with "The" in band names?
10:34<Eulex>mew, in any case, if it's really the case that a 2.12 evolution depends on a 2.10 evolution-common (please double-check with apt-cache show evolution), file a bug and stop whining.
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10:36<Eulex>mark__, oh, sorry, mistook --unpack from --extract
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10:37<Eulex>mark__, but in any case, if you're sure that all deps for xserver-xorg-core are installed, file a bug report.
10:38<v4mpire>anyone able to help me with ports and vmserver ?
10:38<suiside>EmleyMoor: Band, The
10:38<mew>Eulex, it depends on 2.10.3-1 on non-i386 systems
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10:39<MxStyleZ>hey guys, anyone know how to reduce the tall of icon in Gnome?
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10:41<Eulex>mew, file a bug report.
10:42<wouterl>The netinstall cd for the ppc edition doesn't seem to work om my imac G3. When i try to boot the cdrom, i get a white screen ...
10:42<mew>Eulex, to install something from testing do i to apt-get -t testing?
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10:43<Eulex>mew, if you do have apt sources for testing; yes.
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10:44<mew>But what if i want to tell it not to check other reps and only testing?
10:45<mew>(Its installing the largest version :()
10:45<Eulex>package/testing if that doesn't work
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10:48<tmg1>mew: it is possible to tell apt via config files to prioritize exactly the way you wish
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10:54<uiyr>i am new user debian
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10:58<Guest369>Hi folks - I have a little trouble with installing latest debian stable on an ultrasparc 10.
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10:59<davidk>It installs just fine - but SILO doesn't seem to intstall
10:59<davidk>doing a boot disk / boot disk:a doesn't find anything
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11:00<Guest370>any clues?
11:00<Guest370>slash-boot is on a separate partition (p1)
11:01<lupine_85>silo? Is that a sparc-specific thing?
11:01<Guest370>yeah - lilo for sparc you could say
11:02<lupine_85>I doubt anyone here has a clue about sparc-specific stuff - it's too rare :/. Have you checked the SPARC installation manual?
11:03<Guest370>yeah - and I've installed sparcs earlier same way - no prob
11:03<Guest370>But that was earlier distros
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11:07<Guest370>ok - thanks anyway
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11:30<ra9ftm>How to add user with 'adduser' if group with that username already exists?
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11:31<ia>got some question, hoe can i download the debian-multimedia-archive?
11:32<ia>i ned som for someone who have a slow internet connection
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11:34<alex88ita>is there anyone?
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11:38<uiyr>something few people ...
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11:40<uiyr>do not see anyone
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11:41<lupine_85>nobody here but us chickens
11:42<el_isma>Is there anything I could do to recover a damaged cd?
11:43<cahoot>not even cdparanoia can read it?
11:43<el_isma>I don't know that program.
11:43<uiyr>invite visit
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11:43<el_isma>It mounts, but when I try to copy a file it hangs in the middle
11:44<lupine_85>el_isma: cdparanoia might help you. If not, chuck the CD & get a new one
11:44<lupine_85>or try $BLACK_MAGIC on the CD to get it to read
11:44<lupine_85>chicken's blood helps to recover data, or so I've heard
11:45<kuchenmonster>Marker around the edges...
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11:46<BUH>hi, i need help with bonding to NICs into one bond0
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11:48<el_isma>lupine_85: what should I do with cdparanoia? Extract the data track and then try to mount that?
11:48<uiyr>unfortunately, nothing can help
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11:49<tmg1>el_isma: there are kits you can buy that can repair the surface somewhat
11:49<tmg1>you could also try cleaning the surface*(can be dangerous)
11:49<tmg1>you can also try another cdrom drive with cdparanoia; some drives are better than others
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11:50<uiyr>note debian is free-free system
11:50<el_isma>tmg1: I don't know how to use cdparanoia for recovery. Should I tell it to extract the data track and then try to mount that?
11:51<tmg1>el_isma: you might have better luck with just plain dd
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11:51<tmg1>again, a dangerous option but hey when you need the data...
11:51<ben_goodger>hooray, /. demonstrates its collective moronitude
11:51<tmg1>ben_goodger: your /. filters are broken
11:51<ben_goodger>I just read the ordinary rss feed
11:52<ben_goodger>I have expended many of my mod points on the current debian-related article
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11:52<fxiny>moronitude ? where where ? altitude please so i can set my wow signal power array detector to it
11:54<v4mpire>anyone able to help me with directing ports into guestos in vmserver ?
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11:54<ben_goodger>slashdot currently features an article deploring debian's refusal to incorporate the new tzdata package into etch/security on the grounds that it is not a security bug, and even though the article summary includes the comment "it's in volative, please take your troll elsewhere" people are still mouthing off
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11:56[~]fxiny sss track track , gneak , geek , squeal : done it
11:56<uiyr>Give as LIFEREA add MIME extensions to start inclosures. I have a list of extensions empty
11:56<ben_goodger>you're blathering
11:57<fxiny>huuu i see the swirl , reading slashdot ...
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11:59<fxiny>apt-cache policy tsdata : Installed: 2007f-1etch1 , yeahhh from volatile
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12:00<ben_goodger>hmm, best put volatile on this system also then
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12:01<fxiny>i use volatile since sarge
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12:04<fxiny>last time tzdata was upgraded on my box : first of august
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12:06<ben_goodger>I believe that is the point
12:07<fxiny>i keep records of every install . same day i've done file and libmagic1
12:07<fxiny>volatile rocks
12:08<uiyr>help, please look ... In "Liferea" menu Launched investment blank ... What's wrong?
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12:09<uiyr>Correction: help, please look ... In "Liferea" menu Launched inclosures blank ... What's wrong?
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12:10<fxiny>i use snownews
12:11<sheldonh>fxiny: i suspect 990 would have sufficed, but 999 is what gave in their instructions, and i didn't want to confuse readers :)
12:12<sheldonh>ben_goodger: it's slashdot. people are always "still mouthing off" :)
12:12<fxiny>sheldonh: i was listening to Nick Fiend (asf) she's in a coma dial 999 ... :)
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12:14<sheldonh>fxiny: still no tar upgrade. perhaps tar should go into volatile too ;)
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12:14<fxiny>slashdot speak the truth like some prime minister i heard of ( i know none of them)
12:14<zobel>sheldonh: why should it?
12:14<v4mpire>so can noone help me to direct a port from linux to guestos in vmserver ?
12:14<fxiny>sheldonh: tar ? something new again ?
12:14<zobel>is there any volatile data in tar?
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12:15<sheldonh>zobel: it shouldn't. i was taking a crack at the security team :)
12:15<sheldonh>zobel: there's been a serious, known vulnerability in etch's tar for over a month now
12:16<zobel>sheldonh: bts bug number?
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12:17<sheldonh>zobel: fixed in testing. so much for the whole "stable and unstable first, testing later" thing
12:17<fxiny>bloody hell ! a tar vuln ?
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12:17<sheldonh>fxiny: eh? i thought we'd chatted about this earlier in the week. i should really start associating pictures with the nicks i see here :)
12:18<fxiny>i ain't seen anything *deleting* all bugtraq mails
12:18<sheldonh>fxiny: i don't bother with bugtraq. but securityfocus' weekly linux security newsletter is a good round-up
12:19<uiyr>It is imperative that performed the following scheme: "accepted RSS" - "discovered MIME file types", "gets myprogram which reproduces inclosures." That applied to this?
12:19<fxiny>sheldonh: i have bugtraq on one half dead account just to keep it running :)
12:19<sheldonh>fxiny: it's like slashdot without the news ;)
12:20<sheldonh>fxiny: and _way_ too much windows stuff for my liking :)
12:20<fxiny>sheldonh: linux ? i have secfocus linux : it sends me two mail per year ;)
12:20<fxiny>sheldonh: hahaha yahhh windoze viruz ! that's why i delete 'em always :)
12:21<zobel>sheldonh: i pinged two sec-team members. lets see if i get a reaction in time. otherwise i will ping bdale himself.
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12:22<fxiny>a tar bug is totally unacceptable : tar is HOLY
12:22<sheldonh>zobel: cool, thanks. judging from his reaction on the bug, i don't think bdale appreciates the severity of the vulnerability (given the frequency with which people unpack tarballs as root)
12:22<fxiny>i'll get sources tomorrow
12:23<zobel>mh, bdale reacted first :)
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12:23<sheldonh>fxiny: secfocus news != linux security news. see
12:23<fxiny>sheldonh: a fiendish thing like that ? unpacking as root ? ahhhhhhhhhh
12:23<sheldonh>fxiny: generally you see issues published by gentoo first, then secfocus linux security news, then debian
12:24<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm looking into last month (this morning i've packed september) mail archive righ now
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12:24<sheldonh>fxiny: you have too much time on your hands :)
12:25<fxiny>sheldonh: heheheheh
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12:26<fxiny>sheldonh: last week i converted all my things into planner-el muse-el remember-el : i am el-(liptical)
12:27<fxiny>sheldonh: found it
12:27<fxiny>sheldonh: Subject: SecurityFocus Newsletter #418
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12:27<fxiny>sheldonh: GNU Tar Dot_Dot Function Remote Directory Traversal Vulnerability
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12:29<fxiny>ohhh damned evilness in a cup of tea with lemon ! "Successful exploits may aid in further attacks"
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12:31<zobel>sheldonh: the problem will be handled the next days. either via security.d.o or via proposed-updates.
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12:32<fxiny>nice ! sec team rocks !
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12:32<sheldonh>fxiny: basically, if you're stupid enough to unpack a tarball from an untrusted party (i'm that stupid all the time) as root, said party owns etch box :)
12:32<sheldonh>zobel: sounds good
12:33<sheldonh>zobel: incidentally, would it have been appropriate for me to follow up on the bug?
12:33<rav>hello. I noticed a folder called .Trash-1000 that appears automatically in my system. Does anyone know what it is?
12:34<sheldonh>rav: google for it
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12:35<rav>sheldonh: I did, it said something about a windows virus
12:36<rav>nothing on debian, though
12:36<sheldonh>rav: my googling gave me the answer just from the first page of results
12:36<sheldonh>rav: without even clicking on any of the links. i searched for: "Trash-1000"
12:36<sheldonh>rav: you're a kde user, right?
12:36<suiside>rav: sounds like KDE:s trash directory
12:37<fxiny>sheldonh: i believe slack users are more affected then us then :)
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12:37<rav>sheldonh: i use KDE. but it's not on my path, or home directory. It's in an archive filesystem
12:38<sheldonh>fxiny: i'm a pretty slack user myself. it seldom occurs to me that (cd $HOME && tar -xf someball.tar.gz) will overwrite my kernel, ps, ls and friends :)
12:38<sheldonh>rav: i've given you the best advice i can think of
12:38<zobel>sheldonh: as i used some internal hidden addresses to the teams to speed up the process. so i wont cc the bug to that. sorry.
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12:41<fxiny>sheldonh: ls and friends ? like in the owned-user manual ? :))
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12:48<MxStyleZ>anyone know how to shrink the desktop incon in gnome?
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12:48<fxiny>hot water ?
12:48<MxStyleZ>good one
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12:50<fxiny>MxStyleZ: gnome is very configurable . look around , can't do it atm
12:50<MxStyleZ>yeah i looked about everywhere i didnt find anything about it only thing i found was to change icon
12:50<fxiny>nahh there is a setting/option . i am sure
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12:51<MxStyleZ>suposed yes
12:51<MxStyleZ>but if it does its pretty much hidden
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12:52<fxiny>could be hidden like the E.Poe letter
12:53<fxiny>lemme check
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12:54<el_isma>I recovered a file from a damaged cd, but only got parts of it. I know I can find the exact file on amule. How do I tell amule to use the parts of the file that I already got?
12:54<MxStyleZ>im looking for more than a hour rofl if you find it in less than that id have to /bow before you:P
12:55<MxStyleZ>i even googled couldnt find anything about the size
12:55<dendrite>MxStyleZ: Edit it.
12:56<MxStyleZ>dendrite, dont know how really im still learning really basic stuff
12:57<MxStyleZ>fxiny, i found it
12:57<MxStyleZ>you have to right click it and click resize...
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12:58<fxiny>MxStyleZ: Edgar Allan wrote something like that
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13:37<uiyr>I need following scheme: "reseive RSS" - "discovered MIME file types" - "start program which reproduces inclosures". That applied to this? Liferea not working (menu MIME types and applications blank)...
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13:54<uiyr>MIME file types and Liferea (Debian 4.0 Etch): why window with MIME file types and application is blank ?
13:58<sheldonh>is there a tool like grep-dctrl that can search by tags?
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14:00<v4mpire>anyone able to help me with directing ports into guestos in vmserver ?
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14:03<alex_>Hey anybod yknow what the ubuntu channel is?
14:03<lupine_85>it couldn't possibly be #ubuntu
14:04<alex_>it's nto working :(
14:04<lupine_85>did you bother to read the topic?
14:04<lupine_85>or the notice?
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14:22<davi>Are the non-free packages in the same http/ftp servers than the main ones?
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14:22<davi>thanks Myon
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14:32<MrNaz>if i'm using sarge, how do i get the NZ time patch?
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14:44<Mx|Debian>what other irc client is aviable other than BitchX and Xchat?
14:44<NotLim>hi there, i need some help: i'm using latest Lenny, and i want to blacklist a module, i've added to /etc/modprobe.d/something "blacklist module", but it didn't worked... the module still loading... is there another way to do it? thanks
14:44<NotLim>Mx|Debian, weechat
14:45<Mx|Debian>isnt there ircss
14:45<Mx|Debian>or something like that
14:45<NotLim>don't know
14:45<[machine]>mx; loads.... epic4, konverse, irssi, ircii etc
14:45<NotLim>at least, the best i could find was weechat
14:45<[machine]>+ many more
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14:46<E0x>NotLim: try : blacklist module
14:46<[machine]>mx: apt-cache search irc :)
14:47<NotLim>E0x, it didn't work
14:47<E0x>NotLim: man 5 modprobed.conf
14:47<E0x>NotLim: man 5 modprobe.conf
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14:48<petemc>Mx|Debian: irssi
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14:50<E0x>NotLim: what module you want blacklist ?
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14:51<E0x>NotLim: example : echo "blacklist pcspkr" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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14:51<NotLim>yeah, i know it
14:51<NotLim>but it still loading
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14:51<Myon>E0x: >>
14:51<E0x>that should work
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14:51<E0x>Myon: true
14:51<NotLim>haha yeah, double
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14:52<NotLim>i'll try
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14:52<NotLim>it's causing problems with a davicom nic and dmfe
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14:52<E0x>do : echo "blacklist tulip" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
14:52<NotLim>i did it!
14:52<E0x>and reboot
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14:53<NotLim>but didn't work!
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14:53<E0x>hmm , do a cat /etc/modprobe.d/backlist , and paste it in pastebin
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14:53<E0x>( if is big )
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14:54<NotLim>okay, wait... i'm reinstalling :P
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14:54<NotLim>thanks E0x ;)
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15:01<flami>I wanna install a little stream on my server , is it the icecast-server or icecast2 package I should use?
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15:04<Eulex>flami, I'd use icecast2, icecast 1.x is ancient
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15:04<flami>ok thanks
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15:10<tamales>Hello. I just installed debian etch amd64 . I've done this before, so I'm am unsure why I can no loger access any virtual consoles. It sees like my f1,f2, etc keys have stoped working. How can I fix this? What might be causing ths problem? I know it's not a hardware issue
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15:13<tamales>.... I got it wokring, thanks
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15:18<X_el_Metal>hablan español
15:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:18<NotLim>si, pero oficialmente es inglés
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15:28<Tw4t>how can i delete a chroot, without screwing things up!
15:29<petemc>after you've exit'ed out of it?
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15:30<seanius>Tw4t: just make sure you don't have anything mounted and/or running in it and then you can rm -rf it
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15:31[~]seanius has rm -rf'd a chroot before while forgetting that /home was bind-mounted underneath it
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15:32<Tw4t>seanius, thankyou
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15:33<Tw4t>petemc, thanx
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15:48<abc>I'm a newbie and want to install xemacs in debian etch.
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15:48<lupine_85>apt-get install xemacs
15:48<lupine_85>also, rms will feast upon your spleen, or some such
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15:49<eins7ein>what's hapnin yall
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15:49<lupine_85>nu'in. jus' chillin'
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15:50<abc>The xemacs dependencies seem to be circular: xemacs21-bin -> xemacs21 -> xemacs21-bin
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15:51<eins7ein>that's why you don't use emacs
15:51<Aciid>how can i remove gnome and kde completely, i was fool to install them
15:52<eins7ein>cuz it's evil
15:52<lupine_85>it's not. well, sort of
15:52<eins7ein>Vi ftw
15:52<lupine_85>just install xemacs21 and you're away
15:52<Aciid>i dont need a freakin bundle wm i want just fluxbox
15:52<Aciid>how can i remove gnome and kde completely
15:52<lupine_85>Aciid: did you install them with aptitude?
15:52<Aciid>well yea kde i think
15:52<Aciid>gnome came with etch
15:52<Eulex>!remove gnome
15:52<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
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15:53<Aciid>thx a bunch!
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15:53<Aciid>dpkg bot is great :)7
15:53<dpkg>...but bot is already something else...
15:53<lupine_85>aptitude remove --purge kde should get rid of all the automatically-pulled-in packages that you installed
15:53<Aciid>ill see how this pulls out on my comp
15:54<abc>if I do "apt-get install xemacs21" I get an error message about "xemacs-nomule" is depending on "xemacs21-support" and "xemacs21-bin".
15:54<cahoot>Aciid: try the info in /msg dpkg remove kde
15:54<cahoot>Aciid: try the info in /msg dpkg remove gnoe
15:54<cahoot>Aciid: try the info in /msg dpkg remove gnome
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15:54<Aciid>yea ill use query, coz messin with the bot on public is just spam
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15:55<lupine_85>abc: well. It just installed fine here
15:55<eins7ein>same here
15:55<lupine_85>not that i'm ever going to use it. I should try to remove it
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15:56<eins7ein>try going into aptitude and looking at xemacs21
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16:02<abc>eins7ein: somehow I got xemacs21 installed now via aptitude, but I don't know what I did.
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16:07<randhol>update-modules is deprecated it says now. Does that mean /etc/modules doesn't work anymore? How should one do it now?
16:08<abc>I even could purge all xemacs packages and "aptitude instal xemacs21" works as expected now.
16:08<abc>thanks and bye!
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16:10<Ozio>can anybody tell me where I can get help for a problem with a ethernet NIC that won't come up?
16:10<seanius>randhol: update-modules isn't used for /etc/modules, it's used for /etc/modules.conf, which isn't used anymore
16:11<seanius>the file /etc/modules sitll does what it's supposed to
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16:11<Ozio>i've done my homework on searching tru forums and the web, so i thought maybe one of u guys could help me
16:11<streuner>Ozio: what kind of NIC?
16:12<streuner>Ozio: what does "lspci -v | grep eth0' say?
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16:12<Ozio>an AMD 79c970 (PCnet32 LANCE)
16:12<Ozio>one sec
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16:12<streuner>sounds like onboard?
16:13<Ozio>yeah, and the grep doesn't give an output
16:13<Ozio>i did a reboot just a couple of hours ago, and since then eth0 won't come up
16:13<randhol>I got a serious problem. After an upgrade to testing I cannot get a machines ISDN to work anymore with 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel only with the 2.7.18-4-486. It was working fine before. Any idea why this is?
16:13<randhol>the machine is physically 1000km away :-(
16:14<streuner>Ozio: try lspci -v | grep -i eth
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16:14<Ozio>ok, what do you want to know?
16:14<randhol>I thought it had to do with the update-modules being deprecated
16:14<Ozio>it gives a lot of output :)
16:15<streuner>only one line
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16:16<Ozio>no, 2 lines, 1 line where it says the same as in the previous lspci command followed by a line with subsystem info
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16:16<streuner>ok, just show us that
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16:16<Ozio>Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Ethernet with LAN remote power Adapter
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16:17<Ozio>it's a HP Kayak workstation, and the problem lies with the onboard NIC
16:17<streuner>nothing else?
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16:17<streuner>Ozio: well, paste the whole /var/log/dmesg.log into paster bot (
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16:19<Ozio>ok, that would take a while since i'm currently not working on the box, i'll paste it in a couple of minutes and warn you when i did it :)
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16:19<Ozio>thnx for helping me so far :)
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16:19<streuner>knusper:/home/user# grep -i eth /var/log/dmesg
16:19<streuner>eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e800, 00:0d:87:a8:6b:5b, IRQ 11.
16:20<streuner>that shows that the kernel regonises the NIC itself
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16:21<streuner>otherwise the NIC isnt supported directly by the kernel...
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16:21<streuner>Ozio: any slots free to just use another NIC?
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16:26<Ozio>streuner: i just uploaded it
16:26<Ozio>name: ozio
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16:26<Ozio>that's it
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16:27<streuner>Ozio: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
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16:28<streuner>dpkg, listvals 8169
16:28<dpkg>Factoid search of '8169' by value (1): eth0: identified chip type.
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16:29<Ozio>Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2) ( (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007
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16:30<Ozio>before i did the reboot i had a problem with eth0 just coming down every sunday (?)
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16:31<Ozio>im not sure if that is related, i had some probs with my ISP, but the /var/log/daemon.log really just said: eth0 is down
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16:31<Ozio>along with no reasonable explanation
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16:33<streuner>Ozio: is the module loaded (R8169)?
16:33<Ozio>after it went down today again i decided to do a reboot, because a /etc/init.d/networking restart gave some problems with apache2 not running anymore
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16:33<Ozio>how can you check that streuner?
16:34<Ozio>it is in it, but it says used by "0"
16:35<Ozio>so, yes i think it's loaded
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16:35<streuner>does ifconfig show eth0?
16:36<Ozio>only eth1 and lo
16:36<streuner>just run "ifdown -a ; ifup -a"
16:36<streuner>do you have a second NIC in that box?
16:36<Ozio>the second one works well
16:36<streuner>just disable that in BIOS
16:37<Ozio>eh yeah, hmm
16:37<streuner>or blacklist it
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16:37<Ozio>im sort of using it for ssh right now :)
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16:37<Ozio>but ahm
16:37<Ozio>i can disable it and hookup some hardware
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16:39<Ozio>do you mind if i do that on another time this week?
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16:39<Ozio>im sorry, but its starting to get late now
16:39<Ozio>i can come back another time this week with the box all hooked up and the other NIC disabled
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16:43<Ozio>streuner: thnx alot for your time so far, i'll come back later this week with a proper setup
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16:43<streuner>good luck
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16:57<NotLim>are you there?
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17:00<NotLim>i added "blacklist tulip" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it still loading
17:00<NotLim>i really don't know WHY is loading
17:00<E0x>without Ouote right ?
17:01<NotLim>i'll paste it
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17:03<E0x>NotLim: check if you have tulip module in /etc/modules
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17:03<NotLim>i don't have
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17:04<NotLim>also... every time i reboot, i have to do: /etc/init.d/networking stop; rmmod tulip; rmmod dmfe; modprobe dmfe
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17:05<NotLim>to get network
17:05<fernando>would somebdy talk t me about a p2p client for gnome?
17:06<fernando>is there anybody in there?
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17:06<mike_>hey guys i got some gcc error im trying to config an eggdrop ... and it give me this:
17:06<mike_>checking for gcc... gcc
17:06<mike_>checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
17:06<mike_>check `config.log' for details.
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17:07<amphi>!tell mike_ about b-e
17:07<fernando>i see i'm in the wrong place
17:08<fernando>all by myself
17:08<fernando>what a sad world
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17:09<amphi>fernando: rtorrent, should work with gnome the same as it does everywhere else ;)
17:09<fernando>oh, thanks
17:09<fernando>i1m asking cause i don't want to download libs all the way out
17:10<amphi>fernando: rtorrent is a nice ncurses bt client
17:10<Mx|Debian>thx a bunch amphi
17:10<amphi>Mx|Debian: welcome
17:10<fernando>i'm just trying to apt-get it
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17:11<NotLim>E0x and
17:11<fernando>oh god amphi!!
17:11<fernando>54 MB!
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17:13<E0x>NotLim: show me the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file
17:13<NotLim>there is it
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17:13<Mx|Debian>amphi, i also miss tcl any anwser about it?
17:13<NotLim> <- blacklist
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17:14<fernando>folks! thanks
17:14<fernando>and thanks amphi
17:14<E0x>NotLim: do a modprobe -l | grep tulip
17:14<E0x>show me the output
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17:17<amphi>Mx|Debian: um, install it? ;)
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17:18<ellobo>hi, probably you've been earing from nvidia alot, but, why does nvidia-* uninstall all the xorg stuff?
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17:19<Mx|Debian>amphi, i think i do have it but im not sure what to look for
17:19<amphi>Mx|Debian: apt-cache search tcl
17:19<Mx|Debian>i have tcl8.4 installed
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17:20<amphi>Mx|Debian: so if you type tcl, you should get an interpreter
17:20<E0x>NotLim: hmm i dont remember but you have /etc/hotplug directory /
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17:20<E0x>NotLim: there you can find a blacklist file , try add tulip there too
17:20<NotLim>bash: cd: /etc/hotplug: No such file or directory
17:21<NotLim>and udev?
17:21<NotLim>how can i blacklist on udev?
17:21<catalino>hello, does anyone know how can i make a regular user capable of modifying a windos fat partition?, i can only do this as root, what can i be missing?
17:21<Mx|Debian>amphi, checking for Tcl library... not found
17:21<Mx|Debian>checking for Tcl header... not found
17:21<Mx|Debian>checking whether the Tcl system has changed... yes
17:21<Mx|Debian>configure: error:
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17:22<E0x>NotLim: the udev backlist is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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17:22<E0x>NotLim: what do you have in /etc/modprobe.conf ?
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17:23<NotLim>"/etc/modprobe.conf" [New File]
17:23<NotLim>by the way, i'm using Debian Lenny
17:23<catalino>noone? =(
17:23<E0x>i am not in a debian workstation that is why i can't check
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17:24<NotLim>how can i recompile the kernel without that module? i'm really tired
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17:24<themill>!tell catalino about vfatrw
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17:24<catalino>oh, thanks
17:24<ellobo>!tell me about vfatrw
17:26<E0x>NotLim: yes you can
17:26<E0x>NotLim: but is reallyyyyy weird that
17:26<bzed>NotLim: don't create /etc/modules.conf. you ahve to add a file in /etc/modprobe.d - I think just add lines like ... blacklist modulename
17:26<NotLim>i did it
17:26<NotLim>but really, doesn't work
17:26<NotLim>the module still loading
17:26<bzed>when is the module loaded?
17:26<bzed>from the initrd?
17:26<NotLim>how can i know it?
17:27<bzed>which module are you talking about?
17:27<themill>check in dmesg. Loading a module normally causes some chatter
17:28<NotLim>can i show you my dmesg?
17:28<themill>sure -- pastebin it if you like
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17:29<bzed>NotLim: you still didn;t tell us which module you're talking about
17:29<themill>tulip, iirc
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17:30<bzed>that should be loaded later, not in the initrd
17:31<themill>bzed: usually... but there's no accounting for what ppl might want ;) I've seen howtos suggest lsmod > initrd.modules or similar
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17:32<themill>tulip is being loaded *very* early in that
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17:32<Tw4t>how many gigs of apps are there, in the debian repo approx?
17:32<bzed>but it is also blacklisted on the kernel command line
17:32<bzed>it shuld not be loaded at all
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17:33<Sulfura|afk>hello everyone
17:33<NotLim>Unknown boot option `tulip.blacklist=1': ignoring <-
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17:33<NotLim>is that weird?
17:33<bzed>NotLim: not an kernel option, but initrd should take it.
17:34<bzed>NotLim: as it seems to be loaded pretty early, try to rebuild your initrd
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17:34<bzed>update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u
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17:34<bzed>NotLim: update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u
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17:34<themill>check /etc/initramfs-tools/modules first
17:35<bzed>themill: that doesn;t make a difference. there're only modules listed which are included. they're still loaded by udev in there
17:35<foug>Hi, I am having trouble changing my resolution to 1900x1200/1440. My monitor/video card is compatible, I just switched from Ubuntu and that was my resolution before. I've editted xorg.conf the way I did in ubuntu and it still won't accept it.
17:36<NotLim>i'll check /etc/initramfs-tools/modules after update-initramfs
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17:37<foug>Do I need to install my video card drivers? Ubuntu came with the "restricted device manager" to install videocard drivers, how do I go about doing it in Debian?
17:37<lupine_85>foug: nvidia or ati?
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17:38<foug>lupine_85, nvidia, 6800GS
17:38<bzed>foug: etch or testing/unstable?
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17:39<foug>bzed, what do you mean?
17:39<bzed>!tell foug about nvidia-oneliner
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17:40<foug>bzed, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:40<foug>bzed, all of that? or stop at the | ?
17:40<bzed>all of that
17:40<bzed>and do it as root
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17:40<foug>bzed, couldn't find package
17:41<bzed>foug: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, add contrib non-free to every line
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17:41<bzed>foug: run aptitude update after that
17:41<nichos>hi all, im running stable and I'm trying to install wine. it does come up when i search, and when i say apt-get install wine, it says its referred to by another pkg
17:42<nichos>is it not in stable?
17:42<Sulfura>does anyone know how to recover a lost Partition? It disappeared on Windows too, but I managed to recover them there. Now I don't know how to get it on Linux.
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17:42<lupine_85>foug: if you're running testing, it's going to hurt
17:42<NotLim>it worked
17:42<Sulfura>i'm running testdisk and it finds the partition, but i cannot mount it
17:42<NotLim>thanks a lot
17:42<foug>lupine_85, what do you mean "testing"? I did a netinstall of debian, not running a liveCD atm
17:42<themill>NotLim: just rebuilding the initramfs was enough? good stuff
17:42<NotLim>what did i do, with update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u?
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17:43<NotLim>just to know
17:43<NotLim>yes, it worked
17:43<themill>NotLim: do you know what the initramfs is?
17:43<nichos>is wine not installable on amd64?
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17:44<NotLim>nichos, it is... i did it...
17:44<lupine_85>nichos: got it in 1
17:44<NotLim>but i had to compile it :P
17:44<lupine_85>you need to have fun to get it installed
17:44<nichos>what do you mean you got it in 1?
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17:44<bzed>NotLim: you've created a new initrd, which contains your blacklist entry form /etc/modprobe.d
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17:44<lupine_85>nichos: you correctly surmised the problem
17:44<NotLim>so, if i update the blacklist, i have to create a new initrd?
17:45<lupine_85>the solution is a 32-bit chroot; or compile from source; or force-install the 32-bit package
17:45<themill>NotLim: it's the instructions on how to mount your root filesystem. so it contains your hard disk drivers, filesystem drivers (ext3 etc)
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17:45<foug>bzed, still will not work, aptitude tells me "couldn't stat sourcee package list CD://...."
17:45<NotLim>okay :D
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17:45<NotLim>now, i think that's enough... but a have a doubts...
17:45<bzed>foug: put your sources.list into a pastebin please
17:45<NotLim>i have*
17:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
17:46<themill>NotLim: the initramfs can contain the network card module too which is good for ppl who boot off netboot agents. but a problem for you.
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17:46<NotLim>it's better to set "plug and play OS" or not? in the bios
17:46<themill>bzed: foug needs to comment out his installation cd source
17:46<lupine_85>NotLim: for linux, you set it to yes
17:46<lupine_85>for windows, to no
17:46<lupine_85>if you have a dualboot, then set it to no
17:46<bzed>themill: imagine, I know that.
17:46<NotLim>linux -> plug and play os
17:47<lupine_85>a proper plug 'n play os, yes
17:47<lupine_85>(windows tries, but fails)
17:47<themill>bzed: good :) just saving you the heartache if you didn't ;)
17:47<nichos>thanks all
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17:47<bzed>themill: much more easy to check the file now and correct eveything then loking for the next bug
17:48<themill>bzed: *nod*
17:48<foug>themill, ahh didn't know i could do that, or how. I was testing debian on a seperate comp before I installed on my main and I always had to put the cd-rom to install big packages like KDe or something
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17:49<NotLim>another question: at the line 198: , is something wrong with that?
17:49<themill>foug: if bandwidth for downloading is a problem, then leaving the cd in is good. once you're installed, though, it's a pain.
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17:49<foug>themill, no bandwidth isn't a problem. Never used a cdrom for ubuntu fo rinstall stuff
17:50<bzed>foug: first as themill said, you have to comment out the CD source on top. then there're some entries a bit broken, amek sure they look like
17:50<bzed>NotLim: no, you just don;t have that device
17:51<themill>bzed: non-free with deb-src is perhaps a little optimistic :) heh
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17:51<bzed>themill: why? even non-free ships source .... blobs... whatever ;)
17:52<foug>bzed, do i need # anywhere in my list?
17:53<themill>bzed: just not useful ones most of the time.... (It just always strikes me as ironic that line though)
17:53<bzed>foug: either delete the cd entries OR comment them out using #
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17:54<foug>bzed, i deleted them and C&P the sourcelist you gave me i get the errors again
17:54<linuxfc1>anyone know a good free nzb site besides nzbsrus?
17:54<bzed>foug: you didn;t run aptitude update
17:54<bzed>foug: right?
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17:55<foug>bzed, nope ;P k that fixed it, thanks. I can run apititude with no errors no. Let me try to run the long nvidia one-liner now
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17:56<foug>bzed, k it's installing. Now to get a 1900x1200 resolution I can just edit the last line in xorg.conf that contains resolutions and put the reoslution i want in front right?
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17:57<bzed>foug: that should work, yes. also you have to change the driver from nv to nvidia in there.
17:58<bzed>foug: normally the dpkg-reconfigure part would do this for you, but it doesn;t touch your xorg.conf becuase you've modiefied it
17:58<bzed>have a look if ti works as it is
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17:59<foug>bzed, k did that. I'm at the mouse part, my mouse has extra buttons and ubuntu auto detected them (like volume) how do I know which mouse protocol i need/
17:59<themill>foug: one things at a time is best when you're messing with your xorg.conf
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18:05<themill>Knorrie: are you on a yo-yo rather than a connection?
18:06<foug>bzed, themill: ok i installed and configured the one-liner, restarting to x to see if it worked
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18:18<aya>i want to add a line in /sys/bus/pci/drivers/XXXX/unbind however if i want to open the file in vim i first get a permission error and when i change the access permission to read i get an read error when opening with vim, why?
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18:20<themill>aya: 1) why 2) echo line >> /sys/bus/pci/drivers/XXXX/unbind
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18:21<aya>i am trying to unbind my network card
18:22<aya>but i still can see it via 'lspci'
18:24<themill>lspci tells you about what's plugged in, not what is being used
18:25<bzed>aya: you have to modprobe -r the module which handles your card.
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18:27<aya>i c. I am just trying some xen stuff and i got it working half a year ago and now i am just wondering how on earth i did that.
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18:38<eins7ein>whats up
18:39<Supaplex_>a two letter word
18:39<eins7ein>gee thx
18:39|-|Supaplex_ changed nick to Supaplex
18:40<Supaplex>well, I'm no eins7ein. you tell us.
18:40<Supaplex>yes. we're very bored.
18:40<dpkg>the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gravity
18:40<eins7ein>I can tell
18:40<lupine_85>fair enough
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18:41<gravity>damn nick highlights
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18:41<eins7ein>what client you using gravity
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18:42<Supaplex>one that's ... down to .. earth?
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18:42<streuner>dpkg, no up is <reply> the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gra-vity
18:42<dpkg>okay, streuner
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18:43<Supaplex>!factinfo up
18:43<dpkg>up -- last modified 59s ago by streuner!
18:43<Supaplex>well how many times. *g*
18:43<themill>streuner: was the hyphenation intentional?
18:44<streuner>i didnt create the factoid, if you mean that
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18:45<streuner>its just annoying if your nick is highlighted and you have nothing to do with that
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18:46<themill>hmm... but if we were to change the words in the factoid for everyone of the 1100 people in the two #debians
18:46<themill>... we'd hardly have anything left in english
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18:46<streuner>themill: no need, only a few of us have not unique nicks
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18:47<themill>streuner: but there's always someone who wants a nick of the or something daft.
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18:47<stoned>themill: what?>
18:48<stoned>why am I stoned?
18:48|-|stoned changed nick to Nyle
18:48<Supaplex>and why anoyne cares, I do not know.
18:48<foug>bzed, themill: ok I think i configured it wrong because it corrupted my X server and I had to reinstall debian, but I got my resolution working. Is there a way to see if my 3D drivers are working
18:48<Nyle>Supaplex: you being smart with me?
18:48<themill>Night all!
18:49<Supaplex>Nyle: I'm talking about the gravity nick highlight saga.
18:49<Nyle>I wasn't really asking either
18:49<Nyle>I thought I put a little smiley at the end :)
18:50<Supaplex>oh, it's too small to see? ;)
18:50<Nyle>should have been, Nyle> Supaplex: you being smart with me? ;)
18:50<Nyle>i keeel you
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18:50<Nyle>oh my freakin god
18:51<Nyle>this is oftc
18:51<Nyle>haha, im out
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18:51<foug>themill, command not found
18:52<Supaplex>!install it
18:52<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
18:52<foug>apt-get install glxinfo?
18:52<gravity>foug: mesa-utils
18:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ...
18:53<themill>foug: ^^
18:53<themill>(and this time, I really am going to bed...)
18:53<Supaplex><installit> -> <search> -> ... apt-file search bin/something
18:54<foug>themill, glxinfo works now, i see a bunch of "None"
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18:54<themill>glxinfo |grep direct
18:54<flami>lemme guess , glxinfo .. youre trying to get DRI running?
18:54<themill>(be strong... walk away...)
18:55<foug>flami, i just want to know if my 3D drivers are working so i can play games and install compiz-fusion and whatever else
18:55<flami>if it says "direct rendering: Yes" is cool
18:55<flami>try planet penguin racers
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18:55<flami>if it has a decend fps youre also ok ^^
18:56<foug>flami, it says NO :P
18:56<flami>my favorite to try out drivers
18:56<flami>then its fuckered
18:56<flami>it has to say " yes"
18:56<foug>is there an easy way to do this?
18:56<flami>what kinda graphics card do you have?
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18:56<flami>( just came in )
18:56<foug>nvidia 6800GS
18:56<flami>useng the nvidia glx driver?
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18:57<flami>in non-free
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18:57<foug>no idea, i did the nvidia one-liner and i configured it totally wrong and had to reinstall debian
18:57<flami>yes then you messed up
18:58<flami>type : /msg dpkg nvidia
18:58<foug>i just switched from Ubuntu so I'm use to not having to do anything really. I can't even install pidgin with ./configure atm but let's stick to the video card atm
18:58<Nyle>flami: ouch
18:58<Nyle>foug: yeh you will have to be patient
18:58<Nyle>very patient, especially going from ubuntu to debian
18:58<foug>flami, aye he tells me about the nvidia one-liner which scares me lol
18:58<Nyle>but the good thing is that you have some experience
18:58<foug>Nyle, why so?
18:58<flami>yes or read that wiki
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18:59<Nyle>foug: whats the issue
18:59<flami>getting an nvidia running :P
18:59<Nyle>which card is it?
18:59<foug>Nyle, with my videocard? Well I tried installing the one-liner but I configured it wrong and had to reinstall debian. It corrupted my X server
18:59<foug>Nyle, nvidia 6800GS
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18:59<Nyle>where exactly are you at this moment?
19:00<foug>Nyle, the one liner was asking me stuff about my mouse and keyboard lol, i just want my 3d drivers and direct rendering
19:00<foug>Nyle, what do you mean?
19:00<Nyle>not location wise dude :)
19:00<foug>Nyle, nowhere atm, havn't done anything
19:00<Nyle>which debian release are you using?
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19:00<foug>Nyle, i did a netinstall, whatever is recent
19:00<flami>etch i guess then
19:00<Nyle>foug: cat /etc/debian_version
19:00<foug>yes i saw that name during installation
19:00<Nyle>or apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500
19:01<foug>Nyle, 4.0
19:01<flami>thats etch
19:01<Nyle>apt-get install nvidia-glx module-assistant
19:01<flami>well im tortured with an ATI so i dont know much about nvidia ( just installed a geforce 2 once )
19:01<flami>Nyle, shame on you , we use aptitude these days ;)
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19:02<foug>Nyle, no installation candidate it tells me
19:02[~]lupine_85 still uses apt-get
19:02<Nyle>foug: then.. as root.. m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia -f
19:02<Nyle>!info nvidia-glx etch
19:02<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB
19:02<Nyle>its right here dude
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19:03<Nyle>!tell foug -about contrib
19:03<flami>if i remmeber right aptitude installs a precompiled kernel module
19:03<foug>maybe i need to edit my sourcelist?
19:03<Nyle>add contrib non-free to your sources list
19:03<Nyle>update and try again
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19:03<foug>where is my sourcelist again? etc/?
19:04<Nyle>in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:04<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:05<foug>so just add contrib non-free to both repositories?
19:05<foug>then aptitude updatE?
19:05<Nyle>you will more than likely never download source packages. you can comment out all the deb-src lines
19:05<Nyle>put a # before them
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19:05<foug>ughh, still get the no cadidate error
19:05<Nyle>makes updating faster at leat, on a slow connection
19:06<Nyle>foug: you should have deb etch main contrib non-free
19:06<Nyle>or change .us. with country code
19:06<foug>ok it is installing, i forgot to add it to one line
19:07<foug>ok, it is installed now
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19:07<Nyle>foug: as root.. m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia -f
19:07<Nyle>i guess if its the first time you don't need -f
19:07<foug>what's -f do?
19:07<Nyle>force recompile afaik
19:08<Jmd>Hi, I need some help with resolving dependencies on my Debian lenny system. I tried "apt-get -f install" and this is the output:
19:08<foug>ok it's installing
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19:08<Nyle>basically m-a is short for module-assistant. m-a prepare obviously prepares the system for installing the module. It will download build-essential and other compilers linkers sources gcc all the good stuff and headers allthat
19:09<Nyle>then m-a a-i nvidia installs it. a-i stands for auto-install *you can actually type the whole words too if you want*
19:09<Nyle>it begins to download the nvidia kernel source if you dont have it alredy, and begins to comiple it, at the end you get a nice module
19:09<foug>man you rule, this channel owns. People in #ubuntu were never so helpful or as informative
19:10<Nyle>then you will load the kernelmodule driver with "modprobe nvidia" <-- wihtout quote, usually m-a should do it
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19:10<foug>Nyle, ok, it's done installing both packages, Direct Rendering is still no
19:10<Nyle>when you modprobe nvidia, you will not see any output if it is successful, or it might say loaded nvidia blah blah
19:10<foug>hmm, so "modprobe nvidia" now?
19:10<foug>or was a there a step after m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia -f ?
19:10<Nyle>what was the last thing you did?
19:10<foug>m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia -f
19:10<Nyle>and what did it do?
19:11<foug>last thing i see is "setting up nvidia-kernal..."
19:11<foug>installed 2 packages
19:11<foug>well probably more but it asked me if i wanted to continue y/n twice
19:11<Nyle>i have not used nvidia in a while
19:11<Nyle>bare with me
19:11<foug>ok man, lol
19:11<Nyle>as root, type lsmod |grep nvidia
19:11<Nyle>see if its loaded
19:11<foug>no output
19:11<Nyle>ok so modprobe nvidia
19:12<Nyle>I would have assumed it would auto load the module after compiling it
19:12<Nyle>oh well
19:12<foug>ok the grep (what does that mean?) gives me output now
19:12<Nyle>it lists nvidia?
19:12<flami>grep is a filter
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19:12<foug>yes, lists 2 things, no 3
19:12<Nyle>we'll get to that lter
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19:12<foug>nvidia, is2c_core, agpgart
19:12<Nyle>concentrateon the proble please
19:12<Nyle>later, problem
19:12<Nyle>anyway, so now, you can do
19:12<foug>aye aye, i can read through tpyos no worry :P
19:13<Nyle>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:13<Nyle>in another terminal
19:13<foug>how about another tab?
19:13<flami>... dont panic about it asking stuff about the mouse ! thats normal
19:13<Nyle>that will be fine
19:13<Nyle>read and go through the config
19:13<foug>o god is this that one liner thing? i'm going to be asking many questions
19:13<Nyle>in the driver you will have autoselected vesa, just type 'n' or hit uparrow to go to nvidia
19:14<Nyle>then enter and follow the rest of the instructions
19:14<Nyle>once you are done
19:14<foug>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:14<foug> "command not found"
19:14<Nyle>as root
19:14<foug>o ya new tab, lol
19:14<foug>atempt to auto detect?
19:14<Nyle>im on windows xp
19:14<Nyle>i got no tabs :)
19:15<Nyle>foug: sure
19:15<Nyle>i actually have to move
19:15<Jmd>Can anyone give me some advice on how to resolve this tricky dependency? I try "apt-get -f install" and it gives me this:
19:15<Nyle>take my computer from here to the other apartment
19:15<foug>use vesa not nv? This wiki says neither support 3D?
19:15<Nyle>im sticking out here cuz of you
19:15<Nyle>so hurry up
19:15<Nyle>don't use vesa
19:15<Nyle>don't use nv
19:15<Nyle>only use nvidia for 3d
19:15<flami>foug, youre here:
19:16<foug>how much memory should i tell my videocard to use? all 128?
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19:16<Nyle>just keep hitting enter
19:16<flami>dont forget to use the glx module in the xorg
19:16<Nyle>if you are unsure of an option, just hit enter or ask here
19:16<foug>say NO to "use kernal framebuffer device interface"
19:17<Nyle>actually, yeh, flami when he gets there tell him to remove GLCore and DRI
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19:17<Nyle>only enable glxl
19:17<foug>say NO to "use kernal framebuffer device interface"
19:17<Nyle>say no
19:17<foug>auto detect keyboard "NO"?
19:17<flami>foug, read that link up there .. thats the only stuff you need to change
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19:17<flami>normally its all enter
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19:17<Nyle>all enter
19:17<flami>becasue Xorg is already configured
19:18<Nyle>if it is then just close that tab
19:18<Nyle>just go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and in the device section, change 'nv' or 'vesa' to nvidia
19:18<flami>NOT the glx stuff though
19:18<flami>or i cant remember :/
19:18<Nyle>and in the modules section, #comment out the glcore and dri
19:18<foug>Method of selecting monitor characteristics?
19:18<Nyle>i gotta go
19:18<foug>it's on advanced
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19:18<foug>it's ok nyle
19:19<flami>if i remeber right you can enter all the way through
19:19<flami>untill you reach a point where it asks you for the modules
19:19<foug>flami, well man the lsat time i did this i had to reinstall debian :P
19:19<flami>ok then stop that
19:19<foug>hmm, ok i kept hitting enter and now i am at the terminal
19:19<flami>and read:
19:20<flami>read that
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19:20<flami>if bot those "things " are in there it soudl work
19:20<foug>flami, hmm, so start with step one? apt-get install nvidia-xconfig?
19:20<flami>DRI and NV have to be gone though
19:20<vanessa>hi guys
19:21<flami>wait a sec
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19:21<flami>is there a automatic way to install nvidia?
19:21<bolly>hi how can i configure the firewall?
19:21<foug>flami, hmm, i'm reading through the steps and i've allready done "modprobe vidia"
19:21<vanessa>what does it mean when i use the module-assistant and when i build it can't find linux.h ?
19:21<flami>foug, that modprobe loads the module
19:22<flami>that nvidia-xconfig seems handy
19:22<flami>try it :P
19:22<Nyle>please don't
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19:22<flami>well then not ^^
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19:22<Nyle>vanessa: you need to do module-assistant prepare
19:22<Nyle>you need kernel headers
19:22<Nyle>i think
19:22<Jmd>I need some help with resolving dependencies on my Debian lenny system. I tried "apt-get -f install" and this is the output:
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19:22<Nyle>then again what do I know :)
19:22<vanessa>i have a via samuel II so i installed "generic"
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19:23<vanessa>is that right?
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19:23<Nyle>vanessa: ?
19:23<foug>flami, should i follow that? my direction rendering is still no
19:23<Nyle>vanessa: you are using ubuntu?
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19:23<Nyle>please go to #xubuntu on
19:23<Nyle>this is #debian
19:23<vanessa>ubuntu never installed well on this machine but xubuntu rocks
19:23<Nyle>I'm happy for you
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19:23<flami>foug, did this?
19:24<Nyle>foug: im back, where you at now
19:24<foug>flami, yea i went through those steps
19:24<vanessa>#xubuntu is a dev chan
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19:24<flami>ok then restart your xserver
19:24<flami>ctrl alt backspace
19:24<foug>Nyle, ok i kept hitting enter and then it closed and went back to regular terminal screen
19:24<foug>Nyle, direct rendering is still no
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19:24<Nyle>foug: well did you load up X with nvidia?
19:24<flami>foug, did you remove GLCore (if present) and dri, modules ??
19:25<foug>Nyle, what do you mean?
19:25<foug>flami, not that i know of ;P
19:25<flami>then its wrrooonnggg
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19:25<foug>flami, so if i restart x everything will be broken huh? And i'll have to reinstall?
19:25<flami>read that in the wiki
19:26<flami>if its broken
19:26<flami>install irssi :P
19:26<foug>flami, which part? ?
19:26<Nyle>jeez man
19:26<foug>flami, i was thinking about that, lol
19:26<arrrgrrr>irssi hasn't been updated in ages
19:26<Nyle>it really isn't that hard to install nvidia and get 3d
19:26<flami>or read the stuff above that
19:26<flami>or try that nvidia-xconfig
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19:26<flami>never tried that :/
19:27<flami>then dont
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19:27<Nyle>foug: did you restart X after saving xorg.conf with nvidia in it?
19:27<flami>or read this
19:27<flami>once done restart xserver
19:27<Nyle>you should have seen a nvidia logo before X came up
19:27<arrrgrrr>irssi 0.8.11's been out since april and 0.8.12-rc1 is out since august, yet in sid it's still stuck at 0.8.10
19:27<flami>... if you ahve a really fast pc you barely see the logo
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19:28<foug>Nyle, i didn't do any editing to xorg.conf
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19:28<Nyle>foug: oh
19:28<Nyle>arrrgrrr: try experimental?
19:28<flami>foug, i repeat read those links
19:28<Nyle>or just build it yourself
19:28<foug>flami, i allready did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg part
19:28<flami>no you didnt
19:28<flami>you entered past the module part
19:28<flami> :P
19:29<flami>thats important
19:29<foug>flami, hmmm, but i ran that command
19:29<flami>read -^
19:29<flami>Then, when asked to select X server modules, deselect (uncheck) GLCore (if present) and dri, and select (check) glx.
19:29<Nyle>foug: i know you did. There are some things you hit enter on, and some you don't
19:29<foug>Nyle, grrr
19:30<Nyle>foug: do it again, and just ask us at every screen what to do
19:30<flami>i think we said it like 3 times that you need to select glx in the module part
19:30<Nyle>otherwise we will keep going in circles
19:30<foug>Nyle, flami ok I found "glx" in xorg.conf, i says load next to it. Remove it all?
19:30<Nyle>foug: no no
19:30<foug>flami, never really saw that
19:30<Nyle>foug: leave glx alone
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19:31<foug>ok ok, lemme do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then, right?
19:31<foug>ok, i love you guys
19:31<flami>aint that hard
19:31<foug>nvidia, not NV?
19:31<flami>just read carefully what i says
19:31<Nyle>select nvidia
19:31<flami>read the wiki
19:31<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
19:31<foug>ok it shows my videocard, pressing enter
19:31<Nyle>just walk him through it once
19:32<flami>jebus my last dpkg-reconfigure is quite a while
19:32<Nyle>i don't even use it
19:32<Nyle>I just have a generic xorg that i use
19:32<Nyle>i just modify it diff machiens
19:32<foug>flami, Nyle how far in is the "x server modules" screen?
19:32<flami>no idea
19:32<flami>read what i says and you wont miss it
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19:33<flami>at some point i think it asks you if you wanna select some modules
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19:34<foug>flami, ok, "this option is recommended to experienced users only. In most cases, all of these modules should be enableD"
19:34<foug>it shows glx right below it, and abunch of other stuff
19:34<flami>read the wiki
19:34<flami>Then, when asked to select X server modules, deselect (uncheck) GLCore (if present) and dri, and select (check) glx.
19:34<flami>thats what it says
19:34<foug>tbh i don't know where exactly in the wiki i am, i'm a pictures person
19:34<foug>ok i see that line, pressing enter
19:35<foug>until i see the modules part
19:35<foug>ok i am there
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19:35<flami>oh boy youre completely ignoring the links i send you ?
19:35<flami>this is where you are.
19:35<foug>no no i see it now, and I am there
19:35<foug>i unselected GLX and DRI
19:36<flami>SELECT glx
19:36<flami>UNSELECT Dri
19:36<foug>it was allrecy selected
19:36<foug>no DRI = NO, GLX = YES
19:36<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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19:36<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
19:36<flami>go on
19:36<foug>leave the other ones alone?
19:37<flami>or is there ... GLcore?
19:37<foug>write default files to section to config file?
19:37<foug>no there wasn't
19:37<foug>i'm sure of that
19:37<gravity>That might not work if you're running testing or unstable. You'd need to "Disable" dri, not just uncheck it in debconf
19:37<foug>it wasn't present
19:37<flami>hes on etch
19:37<flami>go on
19:37<gravity>That part of the debconfage has bitrotted a bit
19:37<foug>simple, medium, advanced?
19:37<gravity>But that's ok because it's going away
19:37<flami>what what ?
19:38<foug>Method for selection the monitor characteristics?
19:38<flami>enter your way through now
19:38<foug>lol, ok
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19:38<flami>that should work
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19:38<flami>then restart xserver
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19:38<foug>ok...if this doesn't work
19:38<foug>i'll be here with irssi, lol
19:38<motalus-organixc>hey, where would i point xmame to in ordar to use my usb ps2 controller? i tried /dev/input/js0 but it doesnt register in xmame
19:38<flami>you ahve backups of you xorf
19:39<flami>doesnt dpkg-reconfigure make some?
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19:39<foug>it imght lemme go in there and ls
19:39<foug>xorg.conf.############ is a backup?
19:39<flami>if nothing works run that dpkg-reconfigure just select vesa as driver
19:39<flami>seems so
19:39<foug>restarting x :P
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19:40<motalus-organixc>man, just went through gpg keys in school, i still don't get how the hell theres only one modulo to a number
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19:41<foug>flami, Nyle direct rendering: Yes
19:41<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
19:41<flami>now install planet penguin racer
19:41<flami>and have fun :P
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19:44<motalus-organixc>can you help me set up a schroot? I set it up and bootstrapped but i want to link my home foldier into the chroot which i put in /var/chroot but when i link my home folder and try to run anything from it it says "too many levels of symbolic lynks"
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19:47<stew>motalus-organixc: don't make a link, bind mount it, "mount --bind /home/username /var/chroot/home/username"
19:47<lupine_85>hive mind :D
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19:50<motalus-organixc>stew: will that stay through restarts or should I make a script for it?
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19:54<stew>motalus-organixc: it won't, you can put it in fstab with 'bind' in the options column
19:54<stew>motalus-organixc: and 'none' in the fstype column
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20:03<Alk3>how can i get a splash screen during boot in Sid? i have only set it up in Etch
20:03<Alk3>the bootsplash patch doesnt work with 2.6.22 i guess
20:03<motalus-organixc>Alk3: check out splashy
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20:04<motalus-organixc>thanks stew
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20:08<motalus-organixc>i'm trying to get a bash script to work to always load up snes9x with specific arguments, the problem is that i want to point kamefu to the script and kamefu passes in roms with spaces in the tittle, thus when i use the command in the bash script as "snes9x [options] $@" it only picks up the last chunck of the rom and fails to load it. is there a way to get bash scripts to take in all the arguments and place them where the $@ is?
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20:10<motalus-organixc>or can someone point me to a script to replace spaces in filenames with "_"?
20:11<hollo>hi. anyone how has experiences with implant a music player in a webpage.. but im looking for an pretty simple way to do that.. dont know if i should throw some commands to my console.. or if there is a player with a nice api?
20:11<Alk3>what exactly are you trying to do?
20:11<stew>motalus-organixc: find /some/dir -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/ /_/g'
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20:14<hollo>Alk3, basicly just make a web based music player
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20:14<Alk3>hollo: to host on a website? or to use on your desktop?
20:14<hollo>Alk3, and looking for the easiest way to implant a basic control, to a webpage
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20:15<hollo>Alk3, to use on my local computer.. but does that make a difference? other that permissions to run scripts..
20:15<Alk3>no difference
20:15<Alk3>what kind of media is it? mp3?
20:16<Alk3>or video file type?
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20:16<hollo>Alk3, that only mp3.. or music files
20:17<hollo>Alk3, but mp3 files would be enough..
20:19<Alk3>what language is your web page using?
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20:20<hollo>Alk3, im wrinting in php..
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20:21<hollo>Alk3, but if i need to do some perl stuff.. that would be fine.. but if i can keep the whole application in php.. that would be the best
20:21<Alk3>yeah, ok
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20:22<hollo>Alk3, yeah.. thanks :)
20:23<Alk3>hollo: you can embed mp3s or media players the same way as its applied in HTML. just search for a tutorial to do it. what kind of media player do you want?
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20:24<hollo>Alk3, orr.. well i have looked pretty much on xmms2.. but cant find much info about how to implant a player..
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20:24<hollo>Alk3, never seems that before.. maybe you have some docs about that?
20:25<Alk3>sec. lemme ask google. they should be all over the place
20:26<hollo>Alk3, just as long you know what to search for :)
20:28<hollo>Alk3, hmm.. the embed tag?
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20:28<Alk3>yeah. to embed the music player
20:28<Alk3>but idk about xmms2
20:29<Alk3>thats what i am checking
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20:31<hollo>Alk3, okay.. =) funny, never seen thing tag before.. but im a bit confused about codex.. and why it needs a player.. is it serverside or client side :S i better do some reading about it.. but im really interested if you can find any
20:31<Alk3>the easiest way is to just use a flash player embeded in a page
20:31<Alk3>but what are you trying to do with the PHP site?
20:32<hollo>Alk3, well.. i would like to have a sound control.. a status bar which show what im playing.. and a kind of a playlist.
20:32<hollo>the best would be that i can play pls files.. and standard mp3 files..
20:33<Alk3>what about this?
20:33<Alk3>you can hit play and mess with it
20:33<Alk3>damn. this music sucks
20:35<Alk3>just figure out how embed that in a PHP page. it should work just fine
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20:35<hollo>Alk3, hehe.. luckly you can hit stop :)
20:35<Alk3>yeah i know
20:35<Alk3>giving me a head ache
20:35<Alk3>but that flash player is themeable
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20:36<hollo>Alk3, well.. its not hard to implat.. is just an object.. but.. uhmn.. its really easy to use.. i can take a closer look and see if i can use it..
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20:37<Alk3>yeah. i used to use this the same way on my own computer before
20:37<Alk3>but with HTML
20:37<hollo>Alk3, maybe it fits my needs.. but though i was looking for a way to talk to an already existing program, which could run in the background.. and i could just fetch the info i wanted
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20:38<Alk3>well, you could have a file that the object points to, and the file connects to a database, gets the songs lists, and then plays them. but thats a little more in depth
20:38<Alk3>works with PHP
20:39<Alk3>example is here
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20:39<hollo>Alk3, okay.. and i should be able to make the theme transparent.. dont like it that much :)
20:39<Alk3>yeah. i distinctly remember there being some themes on the site somewhere
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20:40<motalus-organixc>hey, i know this probably is not the correct place to ask, but i've been stuck trying to deal with implementing a generic Queue interface in java and I can't find out how to make a generic array, I think i have to use an ArrayList but i'm worried that that will not work since it requires me to return an Array and not an ArrayList
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20:41<hollo>Alk3, okay.. well thanks a lot for the inspiration.. i sure will take a look at it.. that may be what i need.. just want to make a simple design, which can print some rss feeds.. a player.. and some other informations, as a standard page for my tv
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20:42<Alk3>hollo: sure. np.
20:43<motalus-organixc>java piss anyone else off?
20:44<hollo>motalus-organixc, dont code java
20:44<Alk3>no. i dont use java :P
20:44<motalus-organixc>hollo: i hate how it assumes the coder is retarded, so many restraints. I'm forced to use it throucgh class but its almost torture after using c++ for a year or so
20:45<hollo>Alk3, well.. i found a bit of variants on other pages.. i can make it pretty much as i like
20:45<stroyan>motalus-organixc: I'm not a real java coder. But I think you are looking for the fairly recent 'generics' feature-
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20:45<Alk3>hollo: most can be done with the XML config file
20:45<Alk3>thats the cool part
20:46<hollo>Alk3, hmm.. now i should go to bed... but it seems a bit to excited..
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20:48<Alk3>hollo: hope it works out. im going to reboot my machine. (kernel recompiled) need to test stuff
20:48<motalus-organixc>storyan: yeah, thats the tyhpe of thing i'm using, never new of super but it wont let my delcair a type[] and getting around it is not easy to explain apparently
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21:07<Supaplex>!pal Knorrie's wimpy connection
21:07[~]dpkg points at Knorrie's wimpy connection and laughs hysterically
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21:40<silent>I just realized that linux is no more difficult than windows, just different
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21:44<Supaplex>yup. it's not netware. :)
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22:15<motalus-organixc>anyone know where i would find out where in dev my usb gamepad got mounted?
22:16<motalus-organixc>it always used to be in /dev/input/js0, but for some reason on this install the by-id states that it is located in /dev/input/even3 and the input is a constant stream which is messed up
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22:29<motalus-organixc>how do i list all the modules available
22:29<stew>motalus-organixc: /sbin/modprobe -l
22:32<motalus-organixc>this is really annoying, does udev put out a log anywhere of where it mounts new devices?
22:32<v4mpire>guys whats the opengl dev package ?
22:33<motalus-organixc>v4mpire, are you looking for a glut?
22:33<v4mpire>i dont know im setting up win
22:33<v4mpire>configure: WARNING: OpenGL development headers not found.
22:33<v4mpire>Wine will be build without OpenGL or Direct3D support.
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22:35<stew>v4mpire: why not just "aptitude install wine"?
22:35<v4mpire>it didn't work
22:35<Supaplex>!don't work
22:35<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
22:35<motalus-organixc>v4mpire, check out
22:35<v4mpire>just gave errors
22:35<Supaplex>too vague
22:36<stew>v4mpire: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
22:36<Supaplex>and your sources.list while you're at it
22:36<motalus-organixc>if you have nvidia its nvidia-glx-dev, if you want the latest version winehq keeps an up to date debian repository i think
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22:37<v4mpire>Package nvidia-glx-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
22:37<v4mpire>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
22:37<v4mpire>is only available from another source
22:38<motalus-organixc>v4mpire: its under non-free
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22:40<stew>dunno what an xorg driver would have to do with it
22:41<motalus-organixc>thats why i said i wasn't sure
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22:42<v4mpire>that error comes up when i go to config
22:42<v4mpire>and when i run sumthing
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22:43<stew>v4mpire: are you mixing sid and stable? what version of wine and libc6 are installed?
22:43<v4mpire>how do i check again ?
22:43<v4mpire>im only using kernel from sid
22:43<stew>v4mpire: "dpkg -l libc6 wine"
22:44<v4mpire>and kernel headers
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22:44<sammy>hello all
22:44<stew>v4mpire: yeah, so you 'upgraded' to unstable
22:45<stew>v4mpire: you upgraded your c library that all programs writen in c link against, so you are pretty much on unstable and should expact things to break. you should check the bts for wine to see if this error has been reported: /msg dpkg bts
22:45<sammy>i have a 250GB external hard drive when i plug it in i can see it in my file manager but i cant open it and see any files this is the error i get hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 any ideas
22:45<stew>v4mpire: in the future, we'd recommend using a kernel compiled for stable: /msg dpkg backports
22:46<stew>sammy: try adding yourself to the plugdev group, then log out, and back in
22:46<v4mpire>i got told to get it by someone here to get my sound working :/
22:46<sammy>dont know how to do that
22:46<stew>v4mpire: who?
22:46<stew>v4mpire: you got very bad advice then
22:46<v4mpire>im not sure now but they ran out of ideas and that was all they could thing of
22:47<sammy>stew how do i do that
22:47<v4mpire>aye as then got tld by ppl coming in later they just got a newer kernel for stable then used newer drivers
22:47<stew>sammy: adduser sammy plugdev
22:48<sammy>do i put that in cli
22:49<stew>sammy: yes, as root
22:49<sammy>k i will try that tyvm
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22:50<sammy>im already a member of plugdev
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22:51<stew>sammy: then perhaps you have to tweak something in /etc/hal/fdi/preferences or wherever that is
22:52<sammy>well i have no idea what all of that is im sorry just got everything running for the first time last night
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22:53<sammy>do you know if hotplugs would be what i need
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23:08<foug>i installed msttcorefonts thought apt-get and i don't see any of them when i try to change the font in a program, any ideas?
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23:10<foug>restarted irc and it works now
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23:16<foug>does anyone have a Logitech MX 610?
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23:21<foug>how can i prevent Nautilus from opening a new folder in a new window?
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23:25<Tw4t>right click select browse
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23:30<foug>how can i edit my start up applications? I don't think I need bluetooth-applet, don't want it either.
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23:32<foug>when i "browse folder" it opens in a new window still
23:33<foug>nvm i fixed it, "always browse in folder" and had to restart
23:34<Tw4t>right click, my computer then select browse
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