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00:19<kb1ibt>i couldn't get this solved in samba's irc and i'm not really sure it is their problem, on my NSLU2 running debian etch (w/ testing on) i have samba 3.0.26a and whenever i run smbclient both locally (in a ssh session) and remotely the shares _repeat_ the very first char of the share name "strnlen () + 1" times
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00:20<kb1ibt>example [TimeMachine] is TTTTTTTTTTTT
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00:24<kb1ibt>ameyer: yeah that's my thought. it really has me stumped
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00:27<indraveni>hi all
00:28<indraveni>i bought sony VAIO laptop
00:28<indraveni>and loaded debian in that
00:28<indraveni>but the screen appears only 3/4 th of the monitor
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00:29<indraveni>how can i fit the whole display in my monitor?
00:29<indraveni>I am using 1024 x 768 resolution
00:29<kb1ibt>sounds like you need to modify the xorg.conf
00:31<indraveni>kb1ibt, what do i need to modify xorg.conf ?
00:31<indraveni>kb1ibt, is it the problem of aspect ratio ?
00:31<kb1ibt>do you purposely want 1024x768 or do you want it to be full screen?
00:32<kb1ibt>s/full screen/native resolution/
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00:33<indraveni>i want it to be full screen
00:33<indraveni>nothing like i should use only 1024x768
00:34<kb1ibt>do you know what the native resolution of that lcd panel?
00:35<kb1ibt>actually before i go there did you make sure that the correct video card driver is being loaded, because sometimes the driver might be restricted
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00:36<ameyer>it could be argued the free driver is the "correct" driver
00:37<kb1ibt>i'm not going to get involved in that fight
00:37<indraveni>the native resolution is 1366x768
00:38<indraveni>i checkd in the manual
00:38<ameyer>then again, all recent Sony products seem to be backdoored at the factory...
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00:38<indraveni>kb1ibt, in manual its given like LCD screen : 11.1" WXGA (1366x768)
00:39<indraveni>kb1ibt, how to check whethe the correct video card is loaed or not ?
00:40<kb1ibt>indraveni: first open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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00:40<kb1ibt>then look for Section "Monitor"
00:41<kb1ibt>in there you can see the resolutions that xorg is being told it supports
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00:42<kb1ibt>sometimes it is put in the Section "Screen" area of that config file
00:42<indraveni>kb1ibt, i pasted the monitor section here
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00:44<kb1ibt>i saw, yea, that section doesn't use the ModeLine so look at the Section "Screen"
00:45<indraveni>kb1ibt, yes i checked, its here
00:45<sortadi>could anybody tell me of a package which features few dependencies and those dependencies are non-critical system packages?
00:45<sortadi>It's for a practical example of dpkg usage
00:45<sortadi>in a system-admin course
00:46<kb1ibt>indraveni: as you can see in there the max resolution it is told to use is "1024x768" so you can just add "1366x768" to the 24 depth (best to add it to all of them to be safe)
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00:49<kb1ibt>once you save the file you need to start X (or restart it if you edited the file while in X)
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00:49<indraveni>kb1ibt, so now the lines should be something like
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00:53<kb1ibt>earlier i asked this and didn't get a response and i couldn't get this solved in samba's irc and i'm not really sure it is their problem, on my NSLU2 running debian etch (w/ testing on) i have samba 3.0.26a and whenever i run smbclient both locally (in a ssh session) and remotely the shares _repeat_ the very first char of the share name "strnlen () + 1" times example [TimeMachine] is TTTTTTTTTTTT
00:55<indraveni>kb1ibt, still it appears the same
00:56<indraveni>kb1ibt, what to do ?
00:57<kb1ibt>make sure that there aren't any (EE) lines in the /var/log/Xorg.log
00:57<sortadi>kb1ibt, a bug?
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00:58<kb1ibt>sortadi: it might be but it could also be a configuration error but i can't find any errors in my configs that would cause it
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00:59<indraveni>kb1ibt, i have such lines in my log
00:59<indraveni>kb1ibt, 1st. Failed to load Module "10" (module does not exist, 0)
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01:00<indraveni>kb1ibt, 2nd line, Failed to load module xserver-xorg/sonfig/modules"
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01:02<kb1ibt>indraveni: just pastey the entire file and i'll look at it cause it sounds like 2 seperate things
01:03<indraveni>kb1ibt, ok
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01:06<kb1ibt>indraveni: pastey the xorg.conf (i forgot to specify)
01:07<indraveni>kb1ibt, i pastd the log file here
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01:09<indraveni>kb1ibt, and xorg.conf is here
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01:11<kb1ibt>the entire Section "Module" is invalid
01:12<indraveni>kb1ibt, why is it like that ?
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01:13<indraveni>kb1ibt, but even in my dekstop machine its the same
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01:15<indraveni>kb1ibt, what next ?
01:16<kb1ibt>i'm scratching my head then because normally that section looks something like
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01:25<chealer>sortadi: what do you mean by system packages?
01:26<kb1ibt>indraveni: shows that for some reason the virtual size is limiting it, only thing i can think of is to try "1360x768" instead of 1366 but i can't make any promises
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01:26<sortadi>chealer, like for example libc6, in which a shitload of other packages depend
01:27<sortadi>chealer, but i already found one: pfm
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01:29<chealer>indraveni: which Debian suite do you use?
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01:31<indraveni>chealer, sid
01:31<Supaplex>the bestest one
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01:32<indraveni>chealer, i changed the resolution to 1360x768 as kblibt suggested, it just appeared full screen for a second and gone back to the orginal stage
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01:32<chealer>indraveni: why do you use a broken xorg.conf?
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01:36<indraveni>chealer, broken ?
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01:37<chealer>indraveni: did you see the Module section of your xorg.conf?
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01:43<indraveni>chealer, yes,
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01:44<chealer>indraveni: don't you see something wrong?
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01:48<bzed>foug: you never have to reinstall debian. such things are fixable from the command line without any problems
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01:50<indraveni>chealer, yes it is , but in my desktop machine also, its the same
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01:52<chealer>indraveni: well, that doesn't make it less broken
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01:54<sortadi>speaking about reinstallations
01:54<indraveni>chealer, so what muct be the problem here?
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01:54<sortadi>I've been experiencing a noticeable slowdown on my system performance
01:55<sortadi>I've been with this same installation for more than a year now, just upgrading
01:55<sortadi>what could it be deteriorating the performance?
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01:59<chealer>indraveni: I don't know yet but if I was you I'd start by getting a decent xorg.conf
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02:03<sortadi>indraveni, why don't you just go 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
02:04<indraveni>sortadi, i have dont that number of times
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02:07<SorenStoutner>If you have edited the xorg.conf file, running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sorg' will no longer replace it unless you first run the command 'dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
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02:07<SorenStoutner>Read the comments at the beginning of the file.
02:08<chealer>I think that's outdated
02:09<sortadi>yes it will replace them
02:10<sortadi>it replaces the xorg.conf and leaves the manually edited as xorg.conf.old
02:10<sortadi>or some date-related file
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02:10<SorenStoutner>When was that change made (and why hasn't my file been replaced with a version that doesn't contain those comments)?
02:11<Tw4t>doe's anyone know when AMD/ATI are gonna open their drivers
02:11<SorenStoutner>I run Debian testing and update on a daily basis.
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02:11<sortadi>but that's the default behaviour since some time ago
02:11<sortadi>and the comments are still there
02:11<sortadi>that's the problem
02:11<chealer>oh, I just misred the comment
02:12<chealer>SorenStoutner: that's not what new xorg.conf-s should read
02:13<chealer>SorenStoutner: the first line you sent was a paste?
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02:14<SorenStoutner>I just looked at the file.
02:14<chealer>SorenStoutner: what does your xorg.conf contain that make you think that?
02:14<chealer>Tw4t: #xorg should know better
02:15<SorenStoutner>But I've just done a sample update and then looked closer at the file and noticed that it is only the automatic updating that doesn't happen unless you run 'dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg', not manual runs of 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'.
02:15<SorenStoutner>My bad.
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02:27<ales>hello, how can i run cgi scripts on localhost? what should i have installed?
02:28<ales>please help me
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02:31<ales>i tried to install everything, what synaptic found about cgi, but nothing helped
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02:37<mzhang>Anybody familiar with openmosix?
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03:02<defiant>help! my debian server is responding to dns requests even though i have stopped dnsmasq... what could be causing this?
03:02<defiant>PS i dont have BIND installed
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03:04<defiant>does anyone have any ideas? are there other DNS servers installed as part of a standard debian install??
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03:05<defiant>ok looks like named was still running, even though i had purged bind...
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03:11<WildOS>What does it mean when minicom outputs a lot of C's but refuses to connect my device? Trying to connect?
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03:15[~]gcosmin morning
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03:34<twb>Yelp is busted on Sid (for me) at the moment (#443927). Does anybody know how to unbust it?
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03:38<sheldonh>dphys-swapfile is neat
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03:46<streuner>twb: /msg dpkg sid faq
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03:52<sheldonh>i've done "swapoff /dev/vgr1/swap", but lvscan still reports the volume as ACTIVE. how do i find out why?
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03:56<twb>streuner: meaning what? That Sid is expected to break?
03:56<streuner>twb: hold on
03:56<padski>twb: not only that, but users are expected to put the peices back together again ;-)
03:56<twb>padski: well obviously.
03:57<twb>Oops, I forgot to put "faq" on the end.
03:57<padski>twb: please accept my apologies
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03:58<indraveni>hi all
03:58<indraveni>In my sony laptop, i am not able to use the Fn + F5 for brightness
03:58<twb>You'll notice that I linked to the relevant BTS entry.
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03:59<streuner>!tell indraveni about laptops
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04:01<streuner>twb: isnt it possible to downgrade that package?
04:02<twb>I imagine so, but I think the problem is that everything ELSE is too new, not that yelp is too new.
04:02<twb>FSVO everything = ~sgnome
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04:02<twb>That is to say, it will magically come good when yelp 2.20 is installed.
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04:08<sheldonh>hmmm, this may be one of those rare "you just have to reboot" situations
04:08<sheldonh>i just can't get dmsetup/lvchange/lvremove to understand that my swap volume is now unused
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04:10<padski>sheldonh: I have often wished for something like lsof or fuser that could actually tell you what was going on in those corner cases :-(
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04:10<sheldonh>padski: yeah. i suppose if it's a kernel thread, you lose
04:11<padski>sheldonh: lol
04:11<orjan>When trying to install a .deb with dpkg ( an lpr from Brother) the package didn't install clean. When I try to purge I get asked to intall due to bad state. I tried --force-remove-reinstreq too. What more to do?
04:13<twb>sheldonh: how did you disable it, swapoff?
04:14<sheldonh>twb: yeah
04:14<sheldonh>twb: then wrote some zero bytes to the beginning of the volume, to be sure
04:14<sheldonh>twb: what other ways are there?
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04:14<twb>swapoff is what I use
04:15<twb>I'd do swapon thingy && swapoff thingy, and delete the fstab entry
04:15<padski>sheldonh: I trip over nfs exports most often, but that wouldn't apply here.
04:15<sheldonh>twb: yeah, that's what i did
04:16<sheldonh>interestingly, mkswap for the device now produces "mkswap: fsync failed", so i really think it's one of those "stop wanking around and just reboot" situations
04:16<twb>sheldonh: I concur.
04:17<twb>Then write a nasty letter to Linus
04:17<sheldonh>twb: that bitch bites back :)
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04:20<padski>sheldonh: out of curiosity, is there any special reason you have for having your swap volume on lvm ?
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04:21<sheldonh>padski: i have everything other than boot on lvm
04:21<twb>For the same reason it's good to put anything else on LVM
04:21<twb>It allows you to grow/shrink/add/remove volumes while the system is running
04:22<sheldonh>padski: mostly, for flexibility. but now i'm switching my laptop to dphys-swapfile instead, just to see. and lo, i'm now very glad i used lvm in the first place, because i can now reclaim the space and add it to another filesystem on the fly :)
04:22<sheldonh>padski: hmmm... the more i think about it, the more i think why bother with dphys-swapfile if lvm is already working that well for me :)
04:23<sheldonh>ah well, let's take it for a spin anyway
04:23<twb>Incidentally, GRUB2 allows you to put /boot on LVM on RAID1. This makes it easier to back up the system before a dist-upgrade, and rollback if it fucks up
04:23<sheldonh>i just thought of a very good reason to not use dphys-swapfile on my laptop
04:24<sheldonh>i'm using the swap volume for suspend/resume :)
04:25<indraveni>for my laptop i am not able to find the exact drivers
04:25<indraveni>could some one please help me
04:25<twb>indraveni: not unless you learn to ask smart questions
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04:26<indraveni>my laptop is sony, VGN TZ17GN model, and I am in search of drivers for making my function keys work fine
04:26<indraveni>like Fn + F5 will work for broghtness in windows
04:28<padski>indraveni: xmodmap perhaps
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04:28<indraveni>padski, is it a package name ?
04:28<twb>padski: that won't work if it does not generate xkeycodes.
04:28<twb>indraveni: run xev in a terminal.
04:28<twb>indraveni: observe the keycodes generated when you press the relevant key.
04:29<twb>See also the `hotkeys' package.
04:29<padski>indraveni: and there are packages of stuff for sony laptops. sonypi is one I heard mentioned.
04:30<twb>padski: ah, thanks
04:30<twb>indraveni: try sonypi first.
04:30<HellTiger>searching for an speech command software for kde
04:30<indraveni>twb, ok
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04:30<twb>Hmm, it does not appear to be in Sid.
04:31<barnesa>wondering if someone can help me - I just did a dist-upgrade and now my linux-vservers won't start
04:31<barnesa>wanna roll-back to previous version of kernel, but don't know how...
04:31<twb>barnesa: probably you need to install the appropriate module packages
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04:32<twb>barnesa: what does uname -r report?
04:32<orjan>When trying to install a .deb with dpkg ( an lpr from Brother) the package didn't install clean. When I try to purge I get asked to intall due to bad state. I tried --force-remove-reinstreq too. What more to try?
04:32<barnesa>twb: 2.6.18-5-686
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04:33<sheldonh>padski: did you get a satisfactory answer to your "why swap on lvm" question?
04:33<twb>So try something like aptitude search ~nvserver~n2.6.18-5-686
04:33<gass>hello there
04:34<sheldonh>twb: is grub2 approaching a state that the developers consider stable?
04:34<gass>is there a wy in gnome to have all windows side by side automatically?
04:34<barnesa>twb: ahhh... think I might have it - when the kernel upgraded, it put the new vserver kernel entries at the bottom of the grub boot conf
04:34<twb>sheldonh: I dunno.
04:34<sheldonh>twb: last time i looked at it, it wasn't :)
04:34<twb>sheldonh: I know that it won't boot if either of my RAID1 nodes is down :-(
04:34<barnesa>fixing now and rebooting
04:34<sheldonh>twb: i'd love to just have a single volume group and have boot be a logical volume
04:35<twb>barnesa: OK.
04:35<sheldonh>twb: interesting. the version of grub we're using handles raid1 failure quite well -- it's more a function of whether the bios is smart enough to try the other disk :)
04:35<twb>sheldonh: grub1 or grub2?
04:36<sheldonh>twb: one
04:36<twb>Well, no wonder
04:36<twb>I'm using grub-pc 1.95+20070626-1+twb here
04:36<twb>100% LVM on (software) RAID1
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04:37<barnesa>twb: that did the trick - thanks very much *blushes*
04:37<flamma>I have serious trobles getting sound working in my deb system. Alsaconf finds my onboard chip (Intel 82801) and loads the module correctly. Volumes are OK in alsaconf and aumix as well. I'm really out of ideas?
04:37<twb>barnesa: be sure to put your entries outside the automatically generated area
04:38<twb>flamma: perhaps the card is physically damaged?
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04:38<twb>flamma: also have you checked the volume on the amp -- maybe the amp is off
04:38<flamma>well it worked perfectly in previous ubuntu system
04:38<flamma>i use headphones for testing
04:39<twb>I'm out of ideas, then
04:39<flamma>I just booted and checked bios, chips is turned on
04:41<flamma>perhaps I should try standalone soundcard
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04:42<themill>flamma: how are you trying to test your sound card?
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04:43<flamma>with xmms
04:43<flamma>I have also tried mplayer
04:44<flamma>problem appeared when I changed my motherboard
04:44<themill>flamma: it's easiest to do if you are not logged in with X so that things like artsd or esd aren't running. And use aplay with a simple .wav
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04:45<flamma>I'll try that one
04:45<sheldonh>twb: hmmm, i'm tempted
04:45<sheldonh>twb: but you say it won't boot if the raid array is degraded?
04:45<padski>sheldonh: yes. last time I looked seriously at swap on lvm, I came to the conclusion it wasn't worth the potential bother. I wondered whether you had any especially interesting reasons to be setup that way.
04:45<flamma>I'm not familliar with aplay, will mpg123 do the same?
04:46<themill>flamma: also check that you don't have something muted that shouldn't be muted or something that is unmuted that should be muted. There are some cards that have an "external power amp" switch which you must *mute* to get anything working.
04:46<sheldonh>flamma: mpg123 -o alsa
04:46<themill>flamma: simple is good....
04:46<themill>aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
04:46<sheldonh>padski: and? did you find the reasons interesting? :)
04:48<twb>sheldonh: that is what I have seen.
04:48<twb>sheldonh: IIRC I submitted a bug against it.
04:48<padski>sheldonh: "interesting" yes, but not in the "especially interesting" category.
04:50<twb>IME if I'm actually using swap, my system performance is through the floor anyway
04:51<twb>So it doesn't bother me that LVM degrades my swap performance slightly.
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04:54<padski>twb: yes, that is always a fascinating question. should swap get the fast disk or the slow disk :-) different people use swap for different things.
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04:55<padski>twb: but I agree that cases of "too much RAM" are very rare ;-)
04:55<twb>padski: bullshit
04:55<twb>Lots of people run Firefox, for example (but I don't)
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04:56<padski>twb: huh ?
04:56<Guest464>hi, ppl, i'm nu to the linux com. would u tell me whether the knoppix corrupt ntfs if it saves settings?
04:56<twb>Firefox uses HUNDREDs of MB of RAM
04:57<padski>Guest464: #knoppix
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04:57<twb>Guest464: #knoppix on Freenode.
04:59<padski>twb: and netscape 4 used to pound my poor 386 into the dust. what is your point ?
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04:59<padski>(a problem that could have been alleviated with an extra 16MB of RAM :-)
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05:00<twb>padski: oh sorry, I misread you.
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05:00<twb>padski: I thought you were saying that cases of "not enough RAM" were rare
05:00<padski>twb: oh no! all too common ;-)
05:00<twb>In which case the (depressing) ubiquity of Firefox is contradictory evidence
05:01<padski>twb: work grows to fill the space allocated to it
05:01<twb>The steady state of disks is full
05:01<twb>That was my password a few years ago
05:01<padski>twb: exactly! nice one :-)
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05:11<padski>goldfinger ?
05:12<padski>is that more like slipped finger ?
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05:21<sheldonh>padski: wow, that's impressive!
05:21<padski>sheldonh: google knows all
05:21<sheldonh>padski: but... but... google doesn't find it!
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05:21<sheldonh>it does
05:21[~]sheldonh sulks
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05:23<padski>I was very impressed at an 8 letter acronym at the very edge of what google knows
05:23<padski>something I would never guess but instantly recognised
05:24<padski>have you changed that password yet ?
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05:29<sheldonh>padski: an all-upper password? what do you take me for? :)
05:29<sheldonh>padski: just because i unpack tarballs as root... ;)
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05:37<jpa>is it possible to install deb packages in the home directory without root right?
05:37<HellTiger>is there any working speech command/recognition software for linux?
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05:40<themill>jpa: man dpkg and look at the --root option. But what are you trying to do?
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05:43<jpa>i have a pidgin package and try to install it on the pc of my girlfriend. she has gaim but want to have pidgin and she doesnt know her root pwd
05:43<jpa>now i try to install it in the home folder..
05:43<jpa>if its posible
05:43<twb>gaim IS pidgin
05:43<jpa>i know but she wants the new version
05:45<themill>so the real question would be how to recover the root password...
05:45<sheldonh>jpa: see --root, --admindir and --instdir in the dpkg manual page. if you're a member of group staff, you should be able to install into /usr/local
05:45<themill>!i forgot my root password
05:45<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
05:45<dpkg>no, stupid themill
05:45<sheldonh>jpa: you may also need to specify --log. but try the manpage
05:46<sheldonh>dp<g: themill is stupid
05:46<themill>!i forgot root's password
05:46<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
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05:48<jpa>okay the problem is when i reset the root password her dad isnt able to log on anymore. atm he isnt here else we would ask him for the pwd. actually my girlfriend noticed it somewhere but she lost it.. so we know it would be ok for him to install pidgin but we dont know if its okay to reset the pwd. later on he isnt able to log in
05:48<jpa>that would be a problem
05:49<jpa>sheldonh, could you explain me what i have to do?
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05:51<sheldonh>jpa: yes. you need to read the dpkg manual page, paying particular attention to the options i highlighted. that should give you enough of an understanding of the situation. to check whether the account you're using is a staff account, do "id username" and see whether staff appears in the output
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05:52<sheldonh>jpa: if you don't have a staff account, i don't think you'll be able to install into /usr/local, and would have to use some other odd location
05:52<jpa>i have a user account
05:53<jpa>so it seems not possible until i reset the root
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05:53<sheldonh>jpa: not possible to install into /usr/local, correct. you may have success installing into a directory prefix that you own (e.g. the user's home directory). but this is seriously pissing against the wind :)
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05:54<jpa>okay and what do i have to type to install in home?
05:54<themill>jpa: probably the only way of really getting it to work is to install it into a chroot and then run it from the chroot. But this is what greycat calls an XYproblem...
05:54<twb>Has anybody tried using break=mount instead of boot=/bin/sh for changing the root password?
05:55<sheldonh>jpa: i don't know what to type. i'd have to read the manpage myself to figure it out
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05:55<jpa>i read it but didnt find it
05:55<jpa>my english is not the best
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05:56<sheldonh>jpa: understood. but i'm not going to read the manpage myself :)
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06:17<Mx|Debian>hmm i got a wierd issue with identd: looks like it doesnt want to work Pidentd is what im using but when i scan my port it say 113 is open..
06:17<Mx|Debian>anyone have an idea.
06:17<unknown>g'day folkes
06:17<Mx|Debian>gday buddy
06:17<Mx|Debian>just woke?
06:17<unknown>and I feel like sh#t
06:18<Mx|Debian>i just woke too like 30 min ago
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06:18<Mx|Debian>lets have a cofee :P
06:18<unknown>that makes me even sicker so ill pass
06:18<Mx|Debian>hahaha then
06:18<unknown>smoking blunt, that usualy works
06:18[~]Mx|Debian offert unknown diet pepsi
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06:19<Mx|Debian>fuck that when i used to smoke it was just crashing me to death more
06:19<unknown>hell no! I want the real stuffz
06:19[~]Mx|Debian toss unknown a brick of sugar there buddy
06:19<unknown><--catches with his head
06:19<unknown><--looks 4 first aid kit
06:20<unknown>so where ya from mx?
06:20<unknown>by the "toss" I asume UK
06:21<Mx|Debian>nope im Canadian Quebecois
06:21<Mx|Debian>so im a fake frenchies
06:21<unknown>ah ic
06:21<Mx|Debian>french people from france dont even understand me
06:21<unknown>canada rules
06:21<Mx|Debian>where are u from?
06:21<unknown>why, you speaking with giant gumball in mouth?
06:22<Mx|Debian>no we just have a WIERD french
06:22<Mx|Debian>like instead of saying moi wich mean me
06:22<Mx|Debian>we say moe
06:22<unknown>I won't hold it against ya
06:22<Mx|Debian>its pure quebec stylez
06:22<Mx|Debian>we also mix alot english in our french
06:23<unknown>you guys should interbreed with louisianians
06:23<Mx|Debian>since we live in a 95% english country
06:23<unknown>that'll be a laugh
06:23<unknown>cancun? LOL
06:23<Mx|Debian>id go to cancun anytime :P
06:23<unknown>canadian cajun
06:23<Mx|Debian>so hows the netherland?
06:23<unknown>yeah, me to
06:23<Mx|Debian>any good?
06:24<Mx|Debian>thats a cold country right?
06:24<unknown>@ least smoking dope is legal here
06:24<Mx|Debian>really? lol thats sweet
06:24<Mx|Debian>my GF would like that
06:24<unknown>you can buy it here in legal coffeeshops
06:24<unknown>in fact we are famous 4 it
06:24<Mx|Debian>how much does a gramme cost
06:25<unknown>about 5 bucks
06:25<Mx|Debian>its 10$ here
06:25<Mx|Debian>and about 15 for hash
06:25<Mx|Debian>sometime 20
06:25<unknown>u see, It's GREAT here :P
06:25<Mx|Debian>send me a pic around where u live
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06:25<Mx|Debian>want to see how its look at this time of the year
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06:26<unknown>hold on, this machine aint gotr shit yet
06:26<Mx|Debian>im going to buy 4 gigs of ram today man cant wait :o
06:26<Mx|Debian>suck that my mobo only support 4 lol
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06:27<Mx|Debian>anyone familiar with IDENTD? that can lent a hand about it?
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06:39<unknown> <----here's a cam @ my place MX
06:39<Mx|Debian>aight going
06:40<Mx|Debian>lol sweet man
06:40<Mx|Debian>your growing weed in the backyard
06:40<unknown>neh, thaz basil
06:41<indraveni>hi, i need help in making my function keys work in my sony laptop
06:41<unknown>I make my own pizza's
06:41<indraveni>i have kernel 2.6.21
06:41<indraveni>I read debian in laptops , but i dint get any solution for my problem
06:41<indraveni>even my projector is not working, since its using the combination, of Fn+F7
06:42<indraveni>help needed please
06:42<Mx|Debian>unknown, netherland look sick :o
06:42<unknown>I suck at such stuff indraven...
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06:44<dnk>çäåñü êòî íèáóäü ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèò?
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06:45<Mx|Debian>what was that?
06:45<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:47<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:49<indraveni>no help regardingh my laptop problem /
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06:57<unknown>try config center left colunm about shortcuts
06:57<unknown>I have my sys in dyutch this time
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07:36<unknown>im beginning to like debian more and more
07:37<unknown>too bad shit workks so nice, otherwise you could package it and sell it for stupid prizes
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07:47<Moozer>Hi there. I'm a new user. I had a couple of questions about browsers and online banking. With this system I can connect to one of my banks but not the other. I'm using the default Iceweasel (Debian Sensible Browser) with Xfce. Is this acommon problem
07:48<padski>Moozer: when you say "can not connect". what is the error ?
07:48<Moozer>It won't let me log in saying I have the wrong browser
07:48<Moozer>I knew I hadn't explained that bit very well :)
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07:49<Moozer>Is Iceweasel similar to Firefox?
07:49<Moozer>How similar?
07:49<padski>Moozer: almost identical. try changing your User Agent string
07:50<Moozer>How do I do that? I'm really new to linux
07:50<Moozer>Debian is my first try
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07:50<Mx|Debian>you made a good choice :o
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07:51<Mx|Debian>try with Epiphany
07:51<Moozer>I read really good reports about the security record of Debian
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07:52<Moozer>I'll have to read more I think
07:52<Mx|Debian>yeah it come with debian
07:52<jm_>there are even extensions for easily changing user agent string
07:52<lupine_85>presumably it wants IE
07:52<bzed>jm_: a ton, search at
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07:53<padski>jm_: is there one that makes it so I have a different one every day of the week ?
07:53<Moozer>Well it does work with Opera too
07:53<JasonS>Moozer: and dont forget to complain to your bank as well
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07:53<jm_>padski: I don't know, I don't need them - I just know they exist
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07:53<Moozer>Can I install Opera on here?
07:53<Moozer>It doesn't come up with Apt
07:54<flami>Hi, is there a way to get java 1.6 on etch ? when i try to install the sid packagae it wants to update my libc6 and oher stuff
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07:54<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt>
07:54<padski>jm_: your firefox extension habit secret is safe with me ;-)
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07:54<Moozer>dpkg: so it's not compatibe with the Deb philosophy?
07:54<jm_>padski: I have no problems giving details about the ones I use
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07:55<Mx|Debian>you can still install it Moozer
07:56<Mx|Debian>!opera apt
07:56<Moozer>what does ! mean?
07:56<Moozer>I have alot of reading to
07:56<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
07:56<Moozer>My other Linux using friends all say I've jumped inot the deep end with Debian :)
07:57<lupine_85>debian r teh easy
07:57<padski>Moozer: the ! char is to talk to dpkg, a bot here
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07:57<Moozer>It's along time since I've used IRC too
07:57<padski>Moozer: you can also /msg dpkg foo for the same privately
07:57<Moozer>I used to use Xchat on windows but it's no longer free for that platform
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07:58<Moozer>To be honest my box is too old to run Ubuntu
07:58<Moozer>And I like how fast this boots
07:59<Moozer>This box hasn't come up this fast since windows 3.11 :)
07:59<sep>Moozer, incase you ever find yourself stuck on a windows you cant reinstall..
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08:00<Moozer>I'm not sure I even want to go back to windows
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08:01<Mx|Debian>anyway Moozer you can have dual boot
08:01<Moozer>This system is really growing on me
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08:01<Moozer>Not on this box I can't :)
08:01<Mx|Debian>yeah debian is really nice alot of support and tuto about almost everything
08:01<Mx|Debian>why not?
08:01<Moozer>This is the first system that's fitted comfortably for years
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08:01<Mx|Debian>old pc?
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08:02<Moozer>Yeah I have noticed most Deb users really know their stuff
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08:02<flami>Hum , the etch-backport of java 1.6 doesnt really work :/ ... umet dependencies on a virtual package that doesnt exist it seems
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08:02<Moozer><Mx|Debian> I mean ther eisn't really room for two
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08:03<Moozer>This HD is only 4G
08:03<Mx|Debian>ho my
08:03<Mx|Debian>i hear ya
08:03<Moozer>I never thought I'd get it working again
08:03<sep>flami, you know if you actualy specified details you might get help to what your doing wrong. or did you just want to complain ?
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08:03<Moozer>It wouuldn't run 200 or Ubuntu
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08:04<Moozer>2000 even
08:04<Moozer>I used to be able to type properly too LOL
08:04<Mx|Debian>it would run slackware for sure
08:04<Mx|Debian>but apt it so sweet
08:04<Mx|Debian>i couldnt go without it :P
08:05<Moozer>That was my frend's advice. He said Slackware fits the most into the tightest space
08:05<Moozer>I might try that on my newer system later
08:05<Moozer>I want to leran ths first
08:05<Mx|Debian>but its discontinued i believe
08:05<Mx|Debian>its still downloadable
08:05<flami>well im trying to get java 1.6 on etch , but the sid package wants to update my libc6 , the backport ( deb etch-backports main contrib non-free ) gives me "sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-2~bpo.1) which is a virtual package. or ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-2~bpo.1) which is a virtual package." . running out of ideas what to do next
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08:05<Mx|Debian>but no upgrade are aviable i think
08:06<sep>afaik there is a debian embedded that's removing luxuries to fit it in a tighter space
08:06<Mx|Debian>i might be wrong but ...
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08:06<Moozer>Ubuntu is based on Debian isn't it?
08:06<flami>i ran : aptitude -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jre .
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08:07<Moozer>In fact there seemed to be so many of these graphic oses that are based on Debian
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08:07<Mx|Debian>yes it is
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08:07<Moozer>So fundamentally I can run anything an ubuntu user can run anyway
08:08<padski>sep: emdebian ?
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08:08<Mx|Debian>ubuntu also offer great support but why getting something made'of when u can get the original one? :D
08:08<Moozer>It just might involve asteeper learning curve
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08:09<Moozer>That was my thinking that's why I'm not into heavy metal but I love elmore James LOL
08:09<Moozer>Go back to the source thats always been my idea
08:10<Mx|Debian>anyway yeah support for debian is neat :)
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08:11<Moozer>So is the Debian thinking that it's better to avoid programs like Opera nad the official Flash and Real players in favor of the OS alternatives
08:11<jm_>it has flashplayer installer
08:11<Moozer>Even though the current Flash alternative looks like hard work :)
08:11<Moozer>Oh right
08:11<jm_>realplayer is available via d-m
08:11<Moozer>I just assumed it wouldn't have lets try
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08:12<padski>Moozer: "although non-free works are not a part of Debian, we support their use and provide infrastructure for non-free packages"
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08:14<Mx|Debian>!flash player
08:14<dpkg>methinks flash player is flash
08:14<Mx|Debian>!about flash player
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08:14<Moozer>I don't think Flash player is installed here I just tried the cbeebies site and it doesn't work
08:14<Mx|Debian>yeah speaking of flash playing wich one do i need to watch youtube stuff?
08:14<Moozer>Mind you that could be shockwave flash
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08:15<Moozer>Youtube is agood test
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08:15<Moozer>lets try that
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08:17<Moozer>No it's definitely not installed
08:17<Moozer>I supose the install gets tailored to my drive size
08:17<dpkg>it has been said that gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ...
08:17<Moozer>So I've started with very little?
08:18<Moozer>So does gnash work yet?
08:19<padski>I'm planning to do the kernel upgrade from 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2 to 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3. I have a module built with m-a. I usually rebuild for a change in kernel package name, but this kernel is going to have the same uname -r. so I shouldn't need to, correct ?
08:19<padski>Moozer: you remind me of a question I had the other day ...
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08:20<Moozer>I'll leave now and do a lot more reading - yeah padski I'm a new born baby in the Linux community this is my first day LOL
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08:20<padski>if a package in sid is blocked waiting for another package in sid to transition, even though there is no versioned dep on that package, could the source just be built against lenny ?
08:20<Moozer>Thanks for all your help I'll look at Epiphany
08:21<Moozer>seeya later
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08:42<ra9ftm>Hi all
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08:43<ra9ftm>I am setting up time in my system with date command, but after reboot it is not saves...
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08:43<ra9ftm>I also type hwclock --systohc command. Here result:
08:44<ra9ftm>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
08:44<ra9ftm>What is it meen?
08:45<padski>ra9ftm: what debian version and what hardware ?
08:46<ra9ftm>Debian 4.0 Etch. Motherboard P5B-V with JMICron IDE adapter, so I installed new kernel from debian testing 2.6.21
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08:47<ra9ftm>there was errors with 2.6.18, when JMICron turns on in BIOS... :(
08:47<padski>random googling turns up the suggestion to use the --directisa parameter with the hwclock ...
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08:49<ra9ftm>padski: ok, with this parameter no messages from hwlock
08:50<ra9ftm>I am try to set date again and reboot mashine now.
08:50<padski>ra9ftm: what does hwclock --show say ?
08:50<padski>ra9ftm: quicker than a reboot :-)
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08:51<ra9ftm>:-) rebooting...
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09:00<ra9ftm>Hmmm... cant' login with ssh :(
09:00<padski>ra9ftm: how many miles away is it ?
09:01<ra9ftm>but webmin - admin utility working...
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09:02<ra9ftm>Oh, I think it is iptables blocks my many-many connects... Wait a minute
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09:03-{KATRINA}:#debian-FREE PORN
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09:03<dpkg>i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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09:03<padski>ooh that's handy :-)
09:04<simonrvn>!ops {KATRINA}
09:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: {KATRINA}
09:04<weasel>simonrvn: WHAT?
09:04<ra9ftm>padski ok, thank you for help. all is ok now.
09:04<simonrvn>oh oops sorry, please disregard
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09:05<padski>ra9ftm: you might want to look at adding that flag to the releveant init script (or configuration thereof) and into what is happening between rtc and your hardware.
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09:07<padski>ra9ftm: perhaps you could add a section like the BADYEAR section in /etc/init.d/
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09:09<padski>ra9ftm: or perhaps you could use the HWCLOCKPARS variable from in /etc/default/rcS
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09:20<Mark_NL>Guys, help :O
09:20<Mark_NL>Where can I find info about what to choise at "locals"
09:21<Mark_NL>I was just upgrading my debian 3.1 to debian 4.0 and it's asking for locals now, UTF-8 etc which one to choose?
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09:24<themill>ahh... locale... now I'm understanding... sorry, I wasn't sure what you meant.
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09:24<manphiz>Mark_NL, locale in Debian 4.0 has switched to UTF-8 by default. Release note has a better explanation.
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09:24<themill>Mark_NL: do you want to use dutch language messages where possible?
09:24<Mark_NL>ok, so i can just skip it?
09:25<Mark_NL>I am asking in the dutch channal now, bbut thanks :)
09:25<manphiz>Mark_NL, maybe you want to select several locale you are going to use.
09:26<Mark_NL>But what does it mean if i select the NL one, what happends then?
09:27<manphiz>Mark_NL, what's your current locale?
09:27<Mark_NL>I'm not sure realy.. how can I find out?
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09:28<orjan>When trying to install a .deb with dpkg ( an lpr from Brother) the package didn't install clean. When I try to purge I get asked to intall due to bad state. I tried --force-remove-reinstreq too. What more to try?
09:28<Mark_NL>Wait i'll aksk.
09:28<manphiz>you can find it out by command "locale"
09:28<themill>Mark_NL: if you select the NL locale, then error messages will be in dutch not english when they appear (and when they are translated!) Find out your current locale using the command locale
09:28<Mark_NL>Thanks both!
09:29<manphiz>orjan, try "apt-get -f install"
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09:30<Mark_NL>shall i say what my locales are now?
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09:30<orjan>manphiz: ok will try
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09:30<jthomas>hey can anyone help me to install NVidia-legacy drivers on Testing (with a 2.6.22 kernel from Sid) ? I am following the wiki but I get complaints from m-a that "what is nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx"
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09:30<jthomas>i am guessing that i need numbers not xx
09:30<Mark_NL>oops that wasn't smart..
09:31<Mark_NL>So everything is set to nl_nl.utf8
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09:31<manphiz>Mark_NL, ok, seems you are currently using a UTF-8 locale. so you make sure that one is selected and move on
09:31<Vakio>jthomas: no, the package name is right.
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09:32<jthomas>Vakio: what to do then?
09:32<Mark_NL>Thanks again.
09:32<manphiz>Mark_NL, you are welcome
09:32<Vakio>jthomas: it seems that the package hasn't entered testing yet.
09:32<jthomas>but i have sid enabled right now, no good?
09:32<orjan>manphiz: tried, same error aptitude wants me to resinstall the package ( tried that too)
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09:33<Vakio>jthomas: but I don't know about the reasons, just
09:33<manphiz>orjan, seems a bad organized package... really unfortunate situation...
09:34<orjan>manphiz: nods
09:34<prahal>ouch dhelp_parse works very rarely. Ever tried install-docs -R ; install-docs -I ?
09:34<jthomas>Vakio: sould i dare try Experemental? or go with the nvidia installer?
09:35<manphiz>jthomas, no, you just gave the wrong name to m-a. try "m-a a-i nvidia-glx-legacy"
09:35<jthomas>manphiz: "what is nvidia-glx-legacy?" nope :(
09:36<manphiz>jthomas, or just nvidia ?
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09:37<w00ter>Hiya, am i crazy, or did they misplace 'savedefault 0' in this how-to? ;
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09:37<w00ter>They say 'because `0' is the entry of the old kernel.' , but the wrote it under 'new_kernel'
09:38<jthomas>manphiz: hmm didn't work... complained abouit no headers for my bigmem kernel, i'll try without that... (just reg 2.6.22)
09:38<jthomas>back after a reboot
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09:39<manphiz>jthomas, well, just install the corresponding header will do
09:39<jthomas>i did the reg 2.6.22 headers and it didn't seem to work
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09:40<manphiz>jthomas, you have to install the corresponding header for your current kernel, say, the bigmem one?
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09:40<prahal>help dhelp is completely unreliable ... what the heck it is coded in german !
09:41<jthomas>manphiz: there isn't headers for the bigme,
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09:41<orjan>When trying to install a .deb with dpkg ( an lpr from Brother) the package didn't install clean. When I try to purge I get asked to intall due to bad state. I tried --force-remove-reinstreq and -f install too. What more to try?
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09:41<jthomas>or maybe this: why would the install offer a high resolution which the card and monitor can handle, but it always goes to 1024x768? i don't need the nvidia driver, just the proper resolution.
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09:42<prahal>orjan: dpkg --force-all -P <package>
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09:42<orjan>prahal: to purge?
09:43<sifix>Does anyone has to suggest me a database mapper - modeling application for debian - I would like to support MySql and if it is possible MaxDB
09:43<manphiz>jthomas, there should be a linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686-bigmem
09:43<prahal>you could also remove "--force-all"" may do the trick . Please feedback
09:43<orjan>prahal: ok will try
09:43<prahal>sifix: dbdesigner fork
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09:44<sifix>prahal: ok I' ll take a look thank you
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09:44<prahal>sifix: I still need to test it (was a user of dbdesigner vanilla but now it is too old to work on sid)
09:45<prahal>so I ll be interested in your feedback
09:45<ElJavo>can recommend me a project schedulling application for web developers?
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09:46<prahal>right now I am getting mad with dhelp ... each doc install takes 10 minutes ... some files grows 2G ... anybody has knowledge of this picky part of our installer
09:46<ElJavo>Maulkin: Thank you i'll try it
09:47<sifix>prahal:ok just a moment i ll let you know, Does it support MaxDB because i took a look and it didn't mention anything about MaxDb
09:47<jthomas>manphiz: nope, the bigmem headers are only 2.6.21
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09:48<manphiz>jthomas, you should search in sid repository, since .22 kernel is currently in sid
09:48<orjan>prahal: no, dudn't work, still want's me to reinstall package ( which I tried tjat don't install clean either)
09:48<seanius>jthomas: i don't think the .22 headers are out of unstable yet
09:49<prahal>orjan: dpkg -i --force-all <path/package.deb> ?
09:49<orjan>prahal: nods
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09:49<jthomas>oh. yes i thought i was using sid repos but i wasn't.. thanks seanius
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09:50<prahal>sad I always forgot to write such tips ... I only remenbers the directions. We'll have to try them all
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09:54<seanius>orjan: this is why you really shouldn't try to install .deb packages manually, esp force flags
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09:55<orjan>prahal: well I know now :)
09:56<prahal>orjan: you got it installed then removed ? or did you replied to seanius ?
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09:56<orjan>prahal: it go installed but not clean
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09:57<orjan>prahal: then I tried to remove
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09:58<prahal>orjan: what I used to do is debug/fix the postinst/prerm scripts ... a little bit bleeding edge
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09:59<prahal>orjan: could you paste the errors at install and maybe afterwards the postinstall (/var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst)
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10:00<orjan>prahal: not right now the computer is in use, will look at the postinst files later
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10:01<jthomas>ok now i have the bigmem headers, but the nvidia modules don't seem to exist for 2.6.22
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10:02<seanius>jthomas: compile them yourself with m-a?
10:03<jthomas>i tried that also
10:04<jthomas>seanius: "Installation of the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx source failed"
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10:05<prahal>jthomas: m-a a-i --text nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx will gives you the error
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10:05<jthomas>"Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives" but those are available
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10:06<jthomas>"nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639"
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10:07<jthomas>"Package nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639 is a virtual package provided by: vidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.18-4-686" not 2.6.22
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10:10<serge>Hello! Debian Etch question: How to add a splash image to grub which it could display during it's menu ? And another question: are there any ways to hide all the out during boot process, how to enable graphical boot, like rhgb in RedHat and FC ? Thank you.
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10:11<padski>serge: see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian
10:13<ElJavo>how to make fonts look better? I see them in a not well definition
10:13<padski>ElJavo: bigger ?
10:14<ElJavo>i see them a little diffuse an little
10:14<serge>padski: thank you. Have you any ideas about graph. boot?
10:14<ElJavo>not only bigger
10:14<ElJavo>better looking
10:14<Orion>change the resoltution
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10:15<ElJavo>of screen? but i see everrything perfect and detailed except for the fonts
10:16<padski>serge: apologies, read your question too fast. it is possible to do that with the kernel, but I have never gotten into it.
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10:18<padski>serge: istr bootsplash is the term
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10:19<Orion>how I change the language of terminal?
10:19<ElJavo>serge: there is a tutorial (in spanish, but maybe can give you the way) for doing what you want
10:20<serge>padski: the system has working X-server, so some software like rhgb could work too...
10:20<serge>ElJavo: thanks. Let me see...
10:21<padski>serge: take your word for it. I am unfamiliar with rhgb before now.
10:22<padski>ElJavo: anti-aliasing ?
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10:22<seanius>jthomas: it looks like you might have to wait just a bit:
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10:23<Orion> how I change the language of terminal?
10:23<jthomas>seanius: ok. if i change my xorg.conf file from driver: vesa to driver: nv, is there anything more i have to do?
10:23<prahal>serge: rhgb does not exists for debian ... we have splashy and bootsplash
10:23<jthomas>i want whatever can give my monitor a better resolution for its 1680x1050, its currently at 1024x768
10:23<petemc>Orion: doing stuff like that wont encourage people to answer, quite the opposite, in fact
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10:24<serge>prahal: thank you. The problem that I'm quite new to Debian yet, so your keywords are in help too. Thanks.
10:25<Orion>petemc: what?
10:25<ElJavo>serge: for graphical grub, search for gfxboot in google/yahoo
10:25<petemc>underlining your question after it wasnt answered the first time
10:25<petemc>Orion: dpkg-reconfigure locales should be what you neec
10:25<prahal>serge: I suggest you splashy . It is not perfect but at least does not requires patching the kernel at each upgrade (of the kernel of the bootsplash)
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10:25<koollman>Hi .. I am currently configuring postfix, but I can't find the package 'postfix-cidr', or equivalent. So I wonder if I can use cidr tables now
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10:27<jthomas>seanius and others: changing my driver from vesa to nv worked fine, the monitor is now correct. thanks you all!
10:27<ElJavo>jthomas: my screen resolution is acually 1680 x 1050. Iy has always been this, since installation
10:27<ElJavo>maybe is a drivers stuff
10:27<Orion>petemc: thanks
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10:29<Orion>how I change the color of letters in terminal?
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10:31<kop_>Orion: To get rid of the colors you do "unalias ls". I forget how to change the colors but "man ls" probably says something about it.
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10:31<kop_>Orion: The alias is set in ~/.bashrc (from /etc/skel/.bashrc)
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10:32<prahal>alias ls="ls --color=auto"
10:32<Vakio>Or did he just want to change the font color?
10:32<prahal>I guess there are other values than auto
10:32<prahal>there is an application to "theme" terminals but it is not in debian
10:33<arrrgrrr>prahal: does splashy work with luks encrypted drive
10:33<Orion>Vakio: this
10:33<kop_>Vakio: Your probably right, he probably wants to change the font color. I'm always bitten by the ls alias, I've only once been on a system where I could read the blue lettering against a black background.
10:34<kop_>Orion: It depends on the terminal program you're using, or whether you're using the console.
10:34<prahal>arrrgrrr: I do not see why it could not ... it is started after init (there is initramfs support but a nasty last bug which is on its way to get fixed remains)
10:35<Orion>kop_: in terminal
10:35<arrrgrrr>prahal: thanks, I'll have to try it out then :P
10:35<kop_>What's the name of the stand-alone flash player, conky?
10:35<Orion>kop_: sorry, in console
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10:36<ElJavo>to install flash player for iceweasel, i have to install a non-free package?
10:36<kop_>ElJavo: No, there is gnash.
10:36<padski>ElJavo: see also gnash. but yes, the adobe player is non-free
10:37<serge>prahal: it seems splashy it not native package to Etch. External one?
10:37<ElJavo>kop:: padski: Thanks !!
10:37<Vakio>(Actually the package flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib.)
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10:37<kop_>Orion: Dunno. Lemme see....
10:38<prahal>sid not yet in lenny nor etch (not ready for mass consumption , well still needs work - eg the initramfs bug)
10:39<johnnyb>i got a little trouble, apt-get tell me: that libglib2.0-0 depend on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is installed
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10:39<padski>Vakio: lol, because the player it installs is non-free
10:39<prahal>johnnyb: testing ?
10:39<johnnyb>well im normally in etch
10:40<johnnyb>prahal, but i wonder how i could install that libc6 without it kill my system :D
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10:40<ElJavo>i think 2.3.6.ds1... is not bigger than 2.6.1-1
10:41<seanius>johnnyb: what are you trying to install and from where
10:41<prahal>ElJavo: ?
10:41<johnnyb>pidgin who needs glib2.0 who need libc6
10:41<seanius>pidgin from testing on a stable system?
10:42<johnnyb>well i tough installing on stable from stable but doesnt work i try to switch distro to testing
10:42<ElJavo>you better change to testing if you want pidgin an other stuffs
10:42<themill>!simple sid backport
10:42<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
10:42<johnnyb>yo , so i switch my source.list to s/etch/testing
10:43<johnnyb>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right ?
10:43<seanius>johnnyb: i would *add* instead of *switch*
10:43<johnnyb>why seanius ?
10:43<seanius>and do a normal upgrade before a dist-upgrade
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10:44<johnnyb>its gonna mess with my packages and i'll have more trouble than i actuall ydo with that libc6 ...?
10:44<prahal>Orion:§ion=0&type=2 and (so setterm and DIR_COLORS)
10:44<seanius>because the extra info may help apt resolve issues
10:44<johnnyb>if i keep etch and add testing ?
10:44<johnnyb>tough it was the roots of my trouble
10:44<seanius>yeah. and after you make it to testing and everything seems okay then remove the etch entry
10:44<johnnyb>not the solution ;)
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10:45<Orion>prahal: I go to verify! Thanks!
10:45<johnnyb>deb testing main contrib non-free
10:45<johnnyb>deb-src testing main contrib non-free
10:45<johnnyb>deb etch main contrib non-free
10:45<johnnyb>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
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10:46<kop_>Orion: Still dunno. There's surely a way to set it by echoing some characters and taking advantage of the vt100 terminal emulation, but that's probably not really the right way to set the console colors.
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10:46<johnnyb>oops sorry
10:46<seanius>dpkg: tell johnnyb about paste
10:46<johnnyb>thats my source.list
10:46<johnnyb>was only 4 lines long
10:46<johnnyb>anyway :)
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10:47<johnnyb>update is on the way
10:47<johnnyb>apt-get upgrade tells me the same :s
10:47<johnnyb>dist-upgrade also
10:48<johnnyb>im kinda stuck ..
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10:48<themill>johnnyb: can you pastebin the error that you're seeing?
10:48<johnnyb>if i remove libglib2 it will remove lotta apps .. if i force libc6 install it will remove ALL my apps
10:48<johnnyb>themill, its the one i wrote above
10:49<prahal>don't do it ... I did once
10:49<johnnyb>i got a little trouble, apt-get tell me: that libglib2.0-0 depend on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is installed
10:49<johnnyb>here is the msg themill
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10:49<prahal>removing libc6 breaks all your programs and leaves you with ... well nothing to talk to
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10:50<johnnyb>prahal, so u have been facing my trouble ..on dependancies did ya fix that ?
10:50<ElJavo>remove etch repositories, just let lenny repositories
10:50<themill>johnnyb: You've now got both etch and lenny in your sources.list. If you want to use lenny then you'll either need to remove the etch repo or change your pinning.
10:50<prahal>try to set all your sources to testing (ftp.nerim needs an upgrade to
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10:51<ElJavo>seems like you are upgrading to etch instead of testing dist
10:51<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
10:51<johnnyb>ow testing isnt good in sources.list ? gotta be lenny ?
10:51<ElJavo>lenny is testing
10:51<johnnyb>also does my /etc/debian_version has something to do with apt ?
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10:52<prahal>nope it is upgraded too
10:52<johnnyb>right, but does testing works or it have to be writed "lenny"
10:52<prahal>both works but using lenny is safer (when lenny will be released you won't automagically be switched to next new testing)
10:52<ElJavo>its the same, the difference is when lenny becomes stable,
10:53<ElJavo>but now lenny and testing are the same, u can use lenny
10:53<ElJavo>and remove etch lines
10:53<johnnyb>ok done
10:54<jthomas>anyone know how to have KDE's Konversation flash in the system tray?
10:54<themill>johnnyb: then aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
10:54<johnnyb>grr dist upgrade tells me the same
10:54<themill>johnnyb: but are you sure you really want to do this?
10:54<johnnyb>i just want to be in peace, to install pidgin :p
10:54<johnnyb>and apt bother me with libc6
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10:55<seanius>johnnyb: did you download the deb for pidgin and install it manually?
10:55<themill>jthomas: Configure -> Behaviou -> General -> Enable system tray
10:55<johnnyb>i tryed too
10:55<jthomas>themill: thanks!!
10:55<seanius>that would be your problem. it's generally a bad idea to do that
10:55<johnnyb>but none of it works
10:56<johnnyb>neithe compiling source because of libglib2.0 and that fuxed libc6 dependancies :D
10:56<seanius>johnnyb: okay, slow down for a second...
10:56<johnnyb>yeah no problem
10:56<seanius>first, remove the testing lines, do apt-get update, then apt-get -f install
10:57<seanius>this should hopefully try to remove the pidgin package and settle the rest of the problems\
10:57<johnnyb>so i switch all to etch ?
10:58<seanius>johnnyb: for now, yes. don't try and upgrade your OS when the package manager isn't happy
10:58<johnnyb>-f install wanna remove arround 200 apps
10:59<seanius>er... what else have you tried to install manually?
10:59<johnnyb>i did also a -f on glib
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10:59<johnnyb>tough it will fix my compilation trouble
10:59<johnnyb>but it doesnt
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11:00<seanius>johnnyb: "apt-get -f install" with no other arguments?
11:00<seanius>can you paste the output (paste bot)
11:00<johnnyb>paste bot ?
11:01<seanius>dpkg: tell johnnyb about paste
11:01<seanius>sorry, site, not bot
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11:02<johnnyb>did it works ?
11:02<Guest489>nick doobian
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11:02<johnnyb>seanius, got it ?
11:02<taininha>tudo bom?
11:02<Vakio>doobian: how's your USB stick? :)
11:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:04<seanius>johnnyb: url?
11:04<johnnyb>its on
11:04<johnnyb>bbut iv set ur name :/
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11:04<johnnyb>hope u like french :p
11:05<johnnyb>it only wants to remove 574 packets ...
11:05<taininha>tudo bom?
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11:05<JasonS>!tell taininha about br
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11:06<taininha>i thu
11:06<taininha>quaty shor name?
11:06<ElJavo>taininha fala em ingles ou join em #debian-br pra falar portugues
11:07<taininha>quantos anos vc tem
11:07<prahal>johnnyb: try apt-get install --reinstall kfind . What is the error if there is one
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11:08<johnnyb>impossible to download
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11:08<johnnyb>and same error about libglib2.0.0 depending on libc6 ( >=2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-3etch2 would have to be installed
11:09<prahal>hum that cannot be if you ran apt-get update after setting your apt sources back to etch
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11:09<johnnyb>only etch in source.list
11:09<johnnyb>apt-get update is done
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11:09<johnnyb>well i feel like i'm gonna remove thoose 574 apps
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11:09<johnnyb>and then dist-upgrade
11:10<seanius>johnnyb: how about dpkg -l
11:10<prahal>and what about apt-get -f install --reinstall libglib2.0.0
11:10<ElJavo>yes do that
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11:10<ElJavo>and then install what you want via apt-get too
11:10<johnnyb>cant find packet libglib2.0.0
11:10<johnnyb>its tell me
11:10<johnnyb>seanius, lotta packets :)
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11:11<seanius>johnnyb: yes.. how about dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc
11:11<sifix>prahal: i tested it is pretty cool... now I am looking something to support MaxDB
11:12<johnnyb>seanius, none
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11:12<johnnyb>only i forced libglib
11:12<johnnyb>so i got many of them
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11:13[~]johnnyb feels like th system is on the way to die :D
11:13<prahal>johnnyb: that s why I wanted you to reinstall it (in the hope it will get downgraded) ... but if downloading fails something weird happend
11:13<seanius>johnnyb: just don't do anything hasty and it should be fine
11:14<johnnyb>but whats next any clue ?
11:14<seanius>how about dpkg -l "libglib*"
11:14<johnnyb>22 lines
11:14<johnnyb>wants the post ?
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11:15<johnnyb>here it is
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11:16<johnnyb>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
11:16<Tuplad>hey peeps, could you check my sources.list please ? I think it's corrupt:
11:16<Tuplad>I switched from Etch to Sid a while ago
11:17<seanius>johnnyb: what happens if you say "apt-get --reinstall install libc6"
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11:18<johnnyb>the same damned message :s
11:18<JasonS>Tuplad: you wnet to sid on purpose? ;)
11:18<johnnyb>libglib depend on libc6 >= 2.6.1-1 but 2.3.6.ds13etch2 will be installed
11:18<Tuplad>JasonS: yes
11:18<johnnyb>dependancies unsatisafaid
11:19<Tuplad>JasonS: but whats bugging me is that there are still a couple of STABLE(aka Etch) things...
11:19<Tuplad>I'm using Debian only for a month or so :)
11:19<seanius>johnnyb: okay, how many libglib packages did you install manually?
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11:20<johnnyb>dont remenber all have been done by apt for sure
11:20<johnnyb>but some with -f-all
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11:21<seanius>oh, so then there could be other packages too?
11:21<kikoo_>is it to possible to create a ssh tunnel without allocating a shell nor pty, I would just to do a port forwarding
11:21<johnnyb>only thoose in dpkg -l |grep -i libglib
11:22<seanius>okay, then try dpkg -P libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-0-dbg libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev
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11:22<valdyn>kikoo_: what's the point?
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11:23<johnnyb>kikoo_, ssh -N
11:23<johnnyb>see in man ssh
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11:23<kikoo_>johnnyb: I don't want the client do -N
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11:24<kikoo_>johnnyb: If he does'nt add -N, he has a shell
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11:24<kikoo_>johnnyb: but I don't want him to have a shell in anycase
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11:25<johnnyb>seanius, done with some error
11:25<johnnyb>-dbg -data and -dev have been removed
11:26<johnnyb>but 2.0-0 isnt because of dependancy
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11:27<johnnyb>seanius, what about forcing removing ?
11:28<johnnyb>now i got 5 libglib left in dpkg -l
11:29<valdyn>johnnyb: are you trying to downgrade?
11:29<johnnyb>well just trying to fix error
11:30<valdyn> downgrading?
11:30<prahal>johnnyb: apt-get install libglib2.0-0=2.12.4-2
11:30<johnnyb>to be then free to apt-get install anythng with good libglib and libv6
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11:30<johnnyb>woow it worked
11:30<valdyn>johnnyb: aptitude supports explicit downgrading, this dpkg -P mess is not necessary
11:30<johnnyb>without error wtf
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11:31<prahal>thanks to the previous purge ... now you should reinstall them -dbg -data and -dev before dist-upgrading to lenny
11:31<prahal>yup I told 2.0.0 instead of 2.0-0 beforehand :-/
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11:33<prahal>trop easy now :-)
11:34<prahal>cool I got compiz fusion on this old R200 :-)
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11:35<johnnyb>./configure succeed on glib
11:35<johnnyb>is pidgin in testing available in .deb via apt ?
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11:37<seanius>just don't try to install the deb manually :)
11:37<johnnyb>then dist upgrade should be cooler than ./config && make && ... the src
11:37<Eulex>!wayc johnnyb
11:37<dpkg>johnnyb: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude?
11:37<johnnyb>because in etch theire was no package
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11:38<Eulex>johnnyb, etch sure has glib.
11:38<prahal>!don't be chauvin dpkg dpkg
11:38<themill>Eulex: pidgin
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11:39<Eulex>... so he's installing a newer glib to be able to dpkg -i a package from testing? that's madness; just do a simple sid/lenny backport to compile pidgin itself. I doubt it really requires a newer glib than in stable.
11:39<johnnyb>ok i dist-upgrade right now
11:40<johnnyb>no only cleaned the libglib i forced to install to fix ./configure...
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11:41<johnnyb>but now my apt-get is clean and i upgrade to testing so i'll simply apt-get install pidgin
11:41<johnnyb>thanks btw seanius , themill , prahal :)
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11:41<Eulex>I wouldn't upgrade to testing just to get a newer version of one piece of software, but it's your choice.
11:41<johnnyb>why so ?
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11:42<johnnyb>in testing theres no security available right ?
11:42<Eulex>there is, but it's far as good as in stable
11:42<johnnyb>my only fear
11:42<johnnyb>is that it mess with crypto modules and bins
11:43<Eulex>you should also be aware that stuff sometimes breaks in testing
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11:43<Eulex>especially at transitions
11:43<themill>Eulex: the maintainer has declared a dep for pidgin of libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0)
11:43<sifix>has anyone worked with maxdb?
11:43<Eulex>but it's far from as bad as in unstable.
11:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:43<Eulex>themill, and? it's just compiled against that version of glib.
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11:44<johnnyb>so i should have dl/compile the glib and then pidgin ?
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11:45<Eulex>johnnyb, if you do not have a very special reason (and this isn't it) you shouldn't replace the glib included with a specific version of debian
11:45<themill>Eulex: hang on.. you're right, I thought I was looking at build-deps not deps. ;)
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11:46<johnnyb>anyway, as long as my linux boot again, and works the same + pidgin i'll be ok ;)
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11:48<johnnyb>it reminds me the plaisure i had years ago with rpm dependancies :D
11:48<johnnyb>had some headash as well with redhat too..
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11:50<seanius>johnnyb: if you like i can see real quick if the current pidgin in testing/unstable backports to etch
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11:50<seanius>(there isn't one on unfortunately)
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11:51<kencausey>I upgraded Unstable today (after a few weeks of not doing so) and Xorg is not working. I just get a blank screen. The only error in Xorg.0.log is regarding type1 fonts. Help?
11:52<Eulex>themill, I just looked it up, and pidgin doesn't appear to depend on anything newer than gtk 2.6.10. which means a pretty old glib.
11:52<Eulex>kencausey, your driver and graphics card?
11:52<johnnyb>seanius, dont worry ... im already upgrading
11:52<johnnyb>its gonna be fine to me :)
11:52<themill>Eulex: thanks for that. It's a common question we're getting atm... something in would be real nice ;)
11:53<johnnyb>all of this only because i wanted to update gaim :p
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11:53<johnnyb>and also caude i did mistake ..forcing packages :s
11:54<chealer>kencausey: don't provide your log and configuration. that would help way too much.
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11:55<kencausey>Eulex: Nvidia GeForce2 Mx/Mx 400, I also got Nvidia driver 96.43.01 and installed it
11:55<lenb>perhaps a silly question -- anybody here notice that upgrading to debian test last week causes ia64 to stop booting?
11:55<kencausey>chealer: sarcasm? I would be happy to provide whatever I can, although it's a bit awkward without X ;)
11:55<Eulex>kencausey, the new one with xorg 7.3 support?
11:55<johnnyb>hmm i also got one question by the way im here...
11:56<sifix>do you know any gui administrator for MaxDB?
11:56<kencausey>Eulex: Yes, that's my understanding
11:56<Eulex>lenb, file a bug if it is so. what problem are you experiencing?
11:56<johnnyb>about alsa and new laptop sound with digital outputs.. like when i plug my headphones...i still head laptop hp in the headphones..
11:56<johnnyb>any tricks for this ?
11:56<lenb>Eulex -- boot craps out and stops in isofs someplace
11:56<Eulex>lenb, ok
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11:57<lenb>Eulex -- i'm a debian newbie -- any tips on bug filing
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11:58<Eulex>lenb, install reportbug, set up your mta to use whatever that mode is when it just uses an external smtp account to send mail, run reportbug and follow the instructions. alternatively, run reportbug and when it fails sending the mail, send it manually.
11:58<dpkg>[bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
11:59<lenb>okay, thanks for the pointers
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12:03<fercho>this is the place where I can find linux's programmers
12:04<fercho>hi bytheway
12:04<lupine_85>you want the lkml, unless you mean something different to what you said
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12:08<chealer>lenb: what did you use before?
12:09<lenb>chealer: i've been running debian testing on the ia64 box all summer, but it broke upon the upgrade.
12:09<chealer>kencausey: indeed
12:09<lenb>then i installed fc7, and that works fine
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12:14<v4mpire>hey guys whats the opengl for an nvidia gfx card?
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12:15<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
12:15<dpkg>somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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12:23<dsl>Has someone a minute
12:24<hoxu>!can anyone help
12:24<dpkg>Don't bother asking things like "can anyone help with foo" or "are there any experts here on bar"... you'll never get an answer. Just ask me question up front, and if anyone knows the answer, they'll help you.
12:24<hoxu>wrong factoid, but you get the idea
12:24<amphi>dsl: how fast do they go?
12:25<dsl>ehm, i have damnsmalllinux running, i want to install gmediaserver with apt, but it is not found
12:25<dsl>how fast is what
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12:25<fxiny>the illusion of time
12:26<amphi>dsl: the minutes
12:26<dsl>i am from germany, dont understand ur humor XD
12:26<chealer>v4mpire: what do you mean by "the opengl"?
12:26<amphi>dsl: just ask your question ;)
12:26<v4mpire>for 3dfx ?
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12:27<dsl>i have damnsmalllinux running, i want to install gmediaserver with apt, but it is not found, can someone tell me which source i have to enter
12:27<chealer>!tell dsl about damnsmalllinux
12:27<dpkg>it has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>)
12:27<JasonS>heh jinx
12:27<chealer>!tell dsl about damn small linux
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12:29<chealer>!damn dpkg
12:29[~]dpkg sends dpkg to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
12:29<chealer>!lose dpkg
12:29<dpkg>dpkg: You Lose.
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12:30<fxiny>it does seppuku !
12:30<dsl>in the dsl channel is noone
12:30<JasonS>dsl: you spelled it wroing
12:30<dsl>nobody knows the damn apt source for gmediaserver
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12:30<w0oter>hi, how i determen if i have a 32bit or 64bit kernel? when i do uname -r i get '2.6.18-4-amd64' , does this mean i have a 64bit kernel, or does it just specify my cpu arch?
12:31<chealer>w0oter: the former.
12:31<ElJavo>that's a 64bit kernel
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12:32<w0oter>hmm, then i have a weird issue... When ever i compile a new kernel, it keeps compiling i386, instead of amd64 (which i selected as cpu type in the menu config)
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12:33<w0oter>any idea's on what could that be ?
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12:34<chealer>w0oter: how do you know that it "compiles i386"?
12:34<ElJavo>i can't help you because i never compiled a kernel by myself
12:34<w0oter>it scrolls by when compiling ARCH=i386
12:35<w0oter>(its my first time compiling a kernel btw)
12:35<chealer>w0oter: so?
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12:35<w0oter>chealer: just to say that it could be a newb comments
12:35<w0oter>I compiled a custom kernel, but the machine refuses to boot afterwards
12:37<w0oter>In my vmware install everythin went smooth, recompiled kernel, booted up, sun shine
12:37<w0oter>but on the machine in the DC, were i can't look at the screen, it doesnt seem to work after the reboot, and i have to reboot it so it boots in the old kernel
12:38<w0oter>not sure if i can find out somehow why it didnt boot ?
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12:39<chealer>w0oter: if you don't mind, why are you recompiling a kernel?
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12:39<w0oter>chealer - for my gameservers, to have the kernel run at 1000hz for better FPS
12:39<chealer>w0oter: 1000hz as opposed to what?
12:40<w0oter>250 which is default
12:40<chealer>w0oter: which frequency are you talking about?
12:40<jthomas>how can I use the Fuse filesystem for sshfs? I have the error: "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied"
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12:41<sifix>how to configure unixodbc?
12:41<w0oter>chealer: unsure, following this guide ;
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12:45<chealer>w0oter: how much does it increase FPS?
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12:47<w0oter>from current 24-50 to according to the article, and user experiance on the mailing list ~1000
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12:49<chealer>w0oter: when the guy writes "Type "stats" in your console to see what FPS your getting. Near-enough 1000FPS baby.", I assume he means it gets near to 1000 in his case, not all cases, unless red otherwise.
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12:50<mossy>I'm trying to net install debian (it's worked before, just not on this box which has to be booted acpi=off) to a second hard drive as a dual boot with windows, and GRUB install fails. I've tried the netinst twice, the md5sum is fine. I'm usin a slax to make grub install to (hd1,0) but the image file that it creates just hangs at GRUB_ and refuses to boot. any ideas ?
12:50<w0oter>chealer - true, but the current 25 ish FPS i get now is to cry for, so i really want to perform these changes
12:51<w0oter>In my VMware install, when i follow the guide, all go's good. But on my server, when i start compiling, all of a sudden i'm presented with a whole lotta questions to awnser, almost as if it doesnt read any config file to extract those settings from
12:52<chealer>w0oter: the guide seems to be about game clients, why do you think it will help a game server?
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12:53<w0oter>chealer - It's not about game clients, its about game servers, origionates from this topic, but transformed to debian guide;
12:54<w0oter>That topic exactly tells about my problems. High load on dual cores, with very low FPS
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12:55<valdyn>jthomas: the user needs access to /dev/fuse
12:56<valdyn>w0oter: that's totally confusing, higher hz should give _lower_ performance
12:57<jthomas>valdyn: thanks, i got the user (me) added to the fuse group and its working now
12:57<w0oter>valdyn - don't ask me why, but it works for tons of people
12:57<valdyn>w0oter: right.
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12:58<w0oter>what i just don't understand, is why i am confrontated with tons of questions when wanting to compile the kernel, but in my vmware install i am not
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12:58<valdyn>w0oter: but maybe setting the gameserver priority to RT does the same, or maybe not
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12:59<Orion>how i can verify the performance of my archive system ?
12:59<w0oter>valdyn - i have no clue what you mean with that ;)
12:59<w0oter>realtimeticks maybe ?
12:59<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
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12:59<valdyn>w0oter: linux has realtime periority for tasks
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13:00<ErJeDi>valdyn: if linux have realtime priority is not a good idea
13:00<valdyn>w0oter: that's dangerous as one process can completely lock up your computer. On the other hand that process will respond fast and run fast
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13:00<chealer>w0oter / valdyn: sorry but how does server performance affect client FPS?
13:00<w0oter>valdyn: The only real proccess running is the game server
13:00<w0oter>chealer - its not client FPS, its servers FPS
13:00<valdyn>w0oter: no
13:01<valdyn>w0oter: there's a ton of things running in parallel
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13:01<w0oter>valdyn: ok, but then again, i wasnt aiming for RT, but 1000hz :)
13:02<valdyn>w0oter: sure, I'm away, just RT does not require a recompile, and you can do both too
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13:03<chealer>w0oter: what does server's FPS mean?
13:03<valdyn>i think it really means game status updates per second
13:03<w0oter>chealer: frames per second it proccesses to calculate everything going on ingame, flying bullets, player movements etc
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13:03<valdyn>there's no graphical frames in that sense
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13:04<Orion>how i can verify the performance of my archive system ?
13:04<Orion>how can I verify the performance of my archive system ?
13:04<valdyn>Orion: by using it
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13:04<panagos>how do i download older versions on via a web browser, that is, not via apt
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13:05<dondelelcaro>panagos: if they exist on, you can download them from a mirror; links are given.
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13:06<chealer>w0oter: ah, OK. sorry.
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13:06<w0oter>chealer: no harm done :)
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13:07<w0oter>chealer: Anyway, u have any clue why i am presented with questions during the compile, such as proccessor type, which i already gave in while doing "make menuconfig", because i think there is were my problem is.
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13:09<valdyn>w0oter: you didn't save the configuration
13:09<chealer>w0oter: when you say it "doesn't boot", what does it do exactly?
13:10<w0oter>valdyn: When i exit the menu, it asks me if i want to save the config, and i'm certain that i said yes
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13:10<w0oter>chealer: Unsure, it refuses to come online, i have to hard-reset it in order to come back on the old kernel
13:10<panagos>i need gcc-4.2-base version 4.2-20070712-1, but i can't find it! all mirrors give me the latest version (4.2.1-4)
13:10<_ricardo>I have a laptop and It does not have serial port... But I need to try a software using serial... Is there anyway to create a virtual serial port ??
13:11<manphiz>panagos, that version no longer exists. try "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
13:11<valdyn>_ricardo: sure
13:12<panagos>manphiz: i don't have an internet connection on my debian system, so i'm installing manually via a web browser...
13:12<valdyn>_ricardo: /dev/tty* are serial ports
13:13<manphiz>panagos, well, maybe you can find it in some old snapshot site, but I don't know where it is. try google
13:13<valdyn>_ricardo: not sure how you want to test that serial port software without hardware hooked up though
13:13<_ricardo>valdyn: ok but my notebook does not have a physical serial port, so /dev/ttyS0 does not exists...
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13:14<valdyn>_ricardo: uh, i know that
13:14<valdyn>_ricardo: tty* is not just ttyS*
13:14<Orion>how can I verify the performance of my archive system ?
13:14<chealer>w0oter: I see - you don't see.
13:15<valdyn>_ricardo: you should explain the whole thing
13:15<_ricardo>valdyn: So if I use in the software something like /dev/tty1, I get the message: "/dev/tty1 is not a valid serial port"
13:15<w0oter>chealer: Not sure if i understand you
13:15<chealer>w0oter: quite hard to debug that without seeing the screen. isn't there a way you could see "the screen" anyway?
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13:16<w0oter>chealer: Not unless i go to the DC. I got adviced by some one i can connect the 2 machines by serial so i can see on screen, but i haven't been able to do that yet :(
13:16<_ricardo>With my desktop it works fine but using /dev/ttyS0
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13:17<chealer>w0oter: it would be a good occasion to retry :/
13:17<lupine_85>w0oter: you need a crossover/null modem serial cable for that
13:17<_ricardo>ttylog -d /dev/tty1
13:17<_ricardo>ttylog: invalid device /dev/tty1
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13:18<w0oter>chealer: I am retrying, but i can't figure out why i get presented with all the questions. I can't just run down the list, as i have no clue on most questions asked
13:18<jthomas>how do i dfowngrade/force a version of a package? I want to install VMWare and it says the kernel was built with an older version of gcc than what I currently have
13:18<valdyn>jthomas: dont downgrade
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13:19<jthomas>valdyn: just accept the vmware warning of a possible crash? or wait until there is a newer kernel?
13:19<chealer>w0oter: I meant retry to connect the 2 machines by serial
13:19<valdyn>jthomas: you can have multiple gcc versions installed. 'gcc' points to the default, just run the 'make' prefixed with "CC=gcc-4.1" for instance
13:19<usuario13>hola nenita
13:19<w0oter>chealer: I installed the machine a year ago, when my Linux knowledge was practicly 0. Might have screwed a thing or 2 in the meanwhile and not relising it
13:20<valdyn>jthomas: it will likely work even with different compiler versions
13:20<w0oter>chealer: yea i deffo gotta do that, but i don't have any time soon to take a trip to the DC :(
13:20<jthomas>valdyn: its a script, I'll see if I can change it
13:20<valdyn>jthomas: but the fix is easy too.. is i said
13:20<usuario13>yo no entiendo ingles
13:20<valdyn>jthomas: "CC=gcc-4.1 ./script" might work just the same
13:21<jthomas>ok i'll try that
13:21<valdyn>jthomas: provide that gcc or whichever you pick is installed
13:21<_ricardo>valdyn: you have no idea how much time I'm looking for it... thank you!
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13:21<valdyn>_ricardo: first hit on google
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13:22<jthomas>the latest suggestion didn't work (cc=version ./script) but i'm going to try it with the mismatch
13:23<_ricardo>I tried all them, but this not..
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13:23<valdyn>jthomas: case matters
13:23<valdyn>jthomas: CC
13:23<valdyn>jthomas: ok, i dont have the script.
13:24<jthomas>where would headers be located?
13:24<jthomas>i have them installed
13:24<jthomas> /usr/src/linux/include is the suggestion but i don't think they're there
13:24<valdyn>jthomas: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include
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13:28<w0oter>Right, i collected another weird thing now at the machine. I use this guide to make sure i can test-boot a kernel, but all of a sudden it doesnt even attempt to boot the kernel anymore selected with grub-set-default 1, it just straight go's into the old kernel. Any suggestions? (
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13:32<usuario13>i'm sorry not spanish
13:32<usuario13>i not english
13:34<jthomas>how do i enable mp3 in amarok?
13:35<chealer>jthomas: what do you mean by "enable mp3"?
13:35<jthomas>enable mp3 playback
13:35<graytron>chealer: play
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13:35<chealer>jthomas: it's already enabled by default
13:36<jthomas>amarok says the files aren't playable
13:36<chealer>jthomas: which Debian suite do you use?
13:36<jthomas>is that what you mean?
13:36<chealer>jthomas: no, that's your desktop environment.
13:36<chealer>!tell jthomas about debian version
13:36<valdyn>jthomas: that is installed? "kdemultimedia-kio-plugins" ?
13:36<jthomas>yes testing, with the 2.6.22 kernel from sid
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13:37<chealer>jthomas: does xine-lib play back MP3?
13:37<jthomas>yes the kio plugins is installed
13:37<valdyn>jthomas: no idea what amarok uses, maybe 'libmad0'
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13:38<jthomas>xione is its engine, and installed
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13:39<chealer>jthomas: I was asking if xine-lib is setup to playback MP3.
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13:39<jthomas>i don't know, chealer. how would i test it?
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13:39<valdyn>jthomas: libxine1-plugins is installed?
13:40<chealer>jthomas: is libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
13:40<Terr1>How do I check the speed of my network connection, ie. 1Gbit / 100 mbit?
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13:40<valdyn>Terr1: mii-tool or ethtool
13:41<mossy>I'm trying to net install etch to a slave HDD as a dual boot / chainload from windows (windows on the first drive, yuck), and from the deb installer, GRUB install says it fails. I've tried the netinst twice just to be sure, but the CD's md5sum is fine. Right now I'm usin a liveCD to make grub install to (hd1,0) but the stage1 file that it creates just hangs at GRUB_ and refuses to boot, same as the deb installer. any ideas ?
13:41<jthomas>i just checked, yes both are installed valdyn and chealer
13:41<Terr1>valdyn, thx
13:41<chealer>jthomas: you can try with other xine-lib frontends, such as xine-ui or kaffeine
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13:42<nickeleon>why my nvidia x server wont work i must change driver from Nvidia to nv if i want use my geforce 7900Gt
13:42<nickeleon>from xorg.conf
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13:44<jthomas>yeah, kaffeine works.
13:44<chealer>jthomas: please provide the literal error message
13:45<jthomas>"Some media could not be loaded (not playable)" but it is an mp3 and works at home (amarok) and works here on kaffeine
13:46<chealer>jthomas: what makes you think this is specific to mp3?
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13:46<jthomas>nothing, i guess. but that is what i want it to play. i don't use many other formats so its not the concvern right now :)
13:46<jthomas>i got it working, thanks
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13:47<jthomas>i just aborted its database building of music files, and erstarted the app.
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13:54<w0oter>I just cant figure this one out in compiling the new kernel;
13:54<w0oter>====== making target debian/stamp-kernel-conf [new prereqs: .config Makefile]======
13:54<w0oter>/usr/bin/make ARCH=i386 \
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13:54<w0oter>right, thos 3 lines popup when compiling
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13:55<jacko>anyone know where i can find an old sarge ISO?
13:55<w0oter>but it should have x86_64 arch, not i386...
13:55<jacko>my pxe environment is having kernel mod problems
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13:57<mew>I am having trouble with Debian seeing an external monitor even though non is connected, i am using the intel graphics driver.
13:58<mew>xorg.conf doesnt mention the monitor
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14:00<Black>boa tarde
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14:00<ElJavo>boa tarde black
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14:01<ElJavo>please talk in english here... this people is too strict on that!
14:01<Vakio>ElJavo: he left already.
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14:02<ElJavo>sorry i'm not as brilliant at everybody else
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14:10<Terr1>I got a 1Gbit LAN, trying to transfer data from linux to windows, tried samba and ftp transfer.. both wont go above 10 MB/S, the windows disk is 160MB/s RAID, and the linux disk is a LVM with 6 disks.. I tried hdparm -Tt on all disks in the LVM all around 40MB/s, none in pio mode.. Any tweaks that can be done or diagnostics that can be run?
14:11<valdyn>Terr1: mii-tool / ethtool give what exactly?
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14:12<Terr1>valdyn, Speed: 1000Mb/s
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14:12<valdyn>Terr1: bad switch or cabling, maybe
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14:13<Terr1>valdyn, hm yeah might be.. can do some testing with my laptop do outrule the switch/cable
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14:18<st0nedbr>hello all, how i know if the parameter CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH is configured in kernel that is instaled by default (that came) with debian?
14:18<testi>Terr1: Is it possible that the net driver you use on windows or windows itself isn't (however) fast enough? I usually had the problem that I never managed to get windows to download faster than 6 MB/s. But that was on a 100mbit lan.
14:19<testi>while linux to linux always had >10MB/s, also slow computers and slow/old harddisks (pentium 2)
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14:20<Terr1>testi, Yeah I need to rule windows out.. I transfered between 2x win raid with 90MB/S this weekend however that was win xp, I just installed vista 64bit not sure how it performs network wise.. I guess I need to test that
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14:26<oskie>is there any command that can do chroot and su at the same time?
14:26<NotLim>chroot; su
14:26<NotLim>chroot; su oskie; cd ~
14:26<oskie>NotLim: then you'll need su and probably lots of other stuff in the jail
14:27<NotLim>with ";"
14:27<oskie>which means that you'll need PAM and other crap in the jail as well
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14:29<panagos>how can i view .flv files?
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14:32<TommyGamboni>I have a question about resources, I want to limit my processes, I know I can limit with ulimit, but I want to limit the ammount of resources they eat, like, ripping with mpg123 and lame is great, but it kills the cpu, how can I avoid this? (besides using nice)
14:33<valdyn>TommyGamboni: what's wrong with nice?
14:33<TommyGamboni>it's not nice
14:33<TommyGamboni>I'm searching for more control
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14:35<valdyn>TommyGamboni: that's not in stock kernels, probably because its silly for most users
14:35<TommyGamboni>what is silly?
14:36<ben_goodger>surely nothing would "kill" the CPU
14:37<ben_goodger>CPUs are for practical intents indestructible unless you overclock them or turn the fans off
14:37<TommyGamboni>asterisk, mpg123, lame, apache, mysql, and my scripts are loading the cpu
14:37<TommyGamboni>thanks ben_goodger
14:37<ben_goodger>and you aren't using the power for anything else, and nice will ensure that the power is given to the processes you want first
14:38<ben_goodger>running at 100% all the time is perhaps not advisable if you have inadequate cooling, so check your temperatures, but otherwise nice will do fine...
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14:42<ben_goodger>obviously I will not be responsible for buying you a new PC if your cpu explodes etc
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14:53<rubbadub>Evening all. Has anyone ever had to install debian on a SUN X4200?
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14:53<mew>Does anyone know how to help with issues concering xrandr and Intel 965GM?
14:53<ia64>guys, how to troubleshoot "at" jobs? none of my at commands get fired
14:54<dkr>ia64: atq to verify it got scheduled?
14:54<dkr>and check log for errors
14:55<ia64>atq is empty (time has run out)
14:55<ia64>which logs should I check?
14:55<mew>Its finding an external monitor on my laptop even though i dont have one, apparently my chipset is fully supported though
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14:56<dkr>dunno, I disable atd on my systems since I never use it
14:56<dkr>maybe syslog
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14:56<ia64>dkr - do you use purely cron then?
14:57<ia64>these don't work as well
14:57<ia64>like my task gets skipped (works fine if I run it myself)
14:57<dkr>uhm, they both work very well. they are simply designed for different things. at for one-time tasks. cron for repeating tasks
14:57<dkr>maybe you have a path issue, the user atd runs as does not have same path as you when you runmanually
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14:58<ia64>I use absolute paths (i.e. at 21:58 100107 > /home/myhome/
14:58<Supaplex>anyone install a debian guest under xen?
14:59[~]Supaplex checks for a way how
14:59<ia64>funny is when I set another job i get "job 4 at Mon Oct 1 22:00:00 2007", but atq shows nothing
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15:00<oz__>hi everyone. I have a problem with apache installed on etch.
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15:01<sheldonh>it's pretty bewildering when you go searching for ways to sync your phone with kontact :)
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15:02<oz__>I put an html file in the directory /var/apache2-default and there a link to a picture. But the picture is broken... the picture file is in the right place. opening it with Firefox through file directly displays the picture. any idea ?
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15:03<ben_goodger>almost certainly permissions
15:03<ben_goodger>www-data needs permission to read it and execute all containing directories
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15:03<rubbadub>or a chached version on the client side
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15:04<ia64>dkr - have it ever happend to you that cron didn't work as well? i.e. time passed and nothing got triggered?
15:04<sheldonh>oz__: step one. consult the apache error log, probably in /var/log/apache2/error.log
15:04<dkr>ia64: well, the one time I didn't put the asbolute path in, yes. but I get a message in the syslog about it
15:04<stevino>hi I am currently an Ubuntu user thinking to switch to Debian; if you think you might be able to give me good advice, please contact me in pvt
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15:04<oz__>sheldonh, what am I looking for there ?
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15:05<dkr>stevino: good advice= don't solicit advice in private. :)
15:05<ia64>dkr - is there a cron deamon i should check maybe?
15:06<stevino>sorry dkr about that: I don't use irc much and I just didn't want to flood the public room with my requests
15:06<dkr>ia64: if you need to run the task one time some tiem in the future, you use at. if you need to run a task multiple times in the future at specific times, you use cron
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15:06<cahoot>stevino: try this: /msg dpkg why debian
15:06<sheldonh>oz__: lines relating to your request for the image
15:07<ErJeDi>sorry go to go
15:07<oz__>sheldonh, ok I found it .. but I don't understand what does he want
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15:07<ia64>dkr - I know the difference, I just think that the two issues attach (I cannot run cron as well)
15:08<dkr>ia64: so what does the log say when it fails?
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15:09<sheldonh>oz__: see dpkg's private message about pastebins and use one to show us the log entries. if you don't understand after looking, imagine how little we understand without access to the error messages!
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15:09<ia64>dkr - that's the thing, nothing in the syslog about cron, like it's ain't running or seeing my jobs
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15:09<ia64>dkr - and when I run cron, I get: cron: can't lock /var/run/, otherpid may be 2401: Resource temporarily unavailable
15:10<oz__>sheldonh, ok where should I paste ?
15:10<sheldonh>oz__: given what dpkg said in the private message, what do you think?
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15:10<oz__>sheldonh, sorry I didn't see it coming...
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15:13<oz__>sheldonh, here is a paste link
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15:14<sheldonh>oz__: your html file (bf.html) refers to something called /var/www/var
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15:17<oz__>I got it... I just put in the adrees: my file should look like this <img src="<b></b>/apache2-default/1.jpg" width="508" height="536" border="0" alt=""> and instead it was <img src="<b></b>/var/www/apache2-default/1.jpg" width="508" height="536" border="0" alt="">
15:17<oz__>sheldonh, 10x, indeed the log helped
15:18<sheldonh>oz__: no. it shouldn't. use references like <img src="1.jpg"/>
15:19<sheldonh>oz__: that way, the page will render when viewed locally _and_ when viewed through the web server
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15:19<dondelelcaro>whatever is doing the <b></b> stuff to your messages is horribly broken
15:19<dondelelcaro>(course, you probably can't even see that)
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15:19<sheldonh>oz__: the problem is that your client is sending a request like http://localhost/var/www/apache2-default/1.jpg, but /var/www/apache2-default is your document root, so it should be requesting http://localhost/1.jpg
15:20<oz__>sheldonh, yes that's what I did now, and it works. I earase /var/www in front of the link
15:20<sheldonh>oz__: so you should use src="1.jpg"
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15:20<sheldonh>oz__: i'm surprised you don't need to remove the apache2-default/ as well :)
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15:21<oz__>sheldonh, well I didn't . and if it works why should i ? BTW, can I create a subfolder called /pictures and direct do there ?
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15:25<sheldonh>oz__: of course. just keep your references relative to the document root and you'll be fine
15:26<oz__>sheldonh, ok 10x. if I have more problems I'll come back. I'm doing baby steps with apache on debian.
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15:26<sheldonh>oz__: enjoy :)
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15:30<dondelelcaro>ugh. yet more lame irc client quit messages
15:33<sheldonh>i just don't get it. there's no opensync package and opensyncutils just installs a bunch of undocumented utilities
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15:34<TimbrWolf>If you install Debian on a computer without a network connection, how do you later setup networking?
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15:35<sheldonh>TimbrWolf: i found the debian reference helpful (chapter 10):
15:35<oz__>TimbrWolf, you can use various command like dhcp client and ifconfig
15:35<sheldonh>TimbrWolf: it starts off low level, and offers progressively more high-level approaches
15:35<oz__>TimbrWolf, also you can install a package called network-manager
15:36<TimbrWolf>thanks, all. I'll check the manuals
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15:46<oz__>what does it mean when I get this error from printer with samba: failed with error code: 1286 is the printer paused ? but printer is not paused
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15:54<unknown>evenin' dudes & dudettes
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15:55<unknown>howdy ElJavo
15:55<ElJavo>what means howdy ?
15:55<unknown>u knw sumthing about making mysql start at boot?
15:55<ElJavo>howdy houdini ?
15:55<unknown>something like " hi"
15:56<unknown>but who gives a flying f*ck
15:56<ElJavo>mysql starts at boot if you install it by apt-get or similar
15:56<unknown>thaz just it
15:56<unknown>it did
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15:57<ElJavo>so mysql should be starting at boot
15:57<unknown>it did
15:57<unknown>but now it doesnt anymore
15:57<unknown>i had to change bind adres
15:57<unknown>didn't connect if was set to
15:57<unknown>so I changed it to network name
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15:58<unknown>now dbase is found by app
15:58<seanius>how is the app configured to talk to mysql
15:58<unknown>but now it doesn't start anymore, yet n webmin it's still marked as start at boot
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16:00<unknown>seaniues,, what do you mean by that, if I sound like I know shit, it's just that I followed written instructions :)
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16:01<unknown>excuse me typo's btw, working on silicon kbord, it's way beyond horror
16:02<unknown>and another Q,....I tried to get a wireless pci card working, wich it does now, but it doesn't work with encryption like WEP and WPA
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16:03<ElJavo>what if you type in shel: /etc/init.d/mysqld restart or something like that?
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16:03<ElJavo>it must say to you if is already started or not, and will turn it on
16:03<ElJavo>try it to know if was already started
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16:12<Deltantor>Hi guys
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16:12<Deltantor>Trying to get wolfenstein ET running
16:12<Deltantor>sound doesnt work
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16:13<alejandro>ja lo logre no fue tan dificil por eso amo el debian
16:13<Deltantor>In its console it says "could not mmap /dev/dsp"
16:13<ben_goodger>3D, surely
16:13<Deltantor>Enemy Territory
16:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:13<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:13<themill>ben_goodger: that's called splitting the odds....
16:13<ben_goodger>themill: I cba to learn them both sufficiently to differentiate
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16:13<themill>Deltantor: does that device exist?
16:14<alejandro>hola a todos como estro en el canal en español
16:14<ben_goodger>Deltantor: you almost certainly have some other audio application blocking DSP. try switching wolf to ALSA if possible and if not close down other audio apps, otherwise log out and in and try again
16:14<skiter>alejandro: /join #debian-es
16:14<ben_goodger>alejandro: por favor usen #debian-es
16:14<themill>alejandro: /join #debian-es
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16:14<ben_goodger>hmm, it really should say "{do} /join" instead of "usen"
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16:16<themill>dpkg: es =~ s@#debian-es@#debian-es (/join #debian-es)@
16:16<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
16:16<dpkg>no, stupid themill
16:17<weasel>silly dpkg
16:18<dpkg>oi, stop that
16:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:19<ben_goodger>dint work
16:20<themill>ben_goodger: my dpkgbot fu is lacking tonight... perhaps I'm too tired for this!
16:23<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal es
16:23<dpkg>"es" is "<reply> see spanish"
16:23<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal spansih
16:23<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal spanish
16:23<dpkg>"spanish" is "<reply> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help."
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16:24<ben_goodger>dpkg: spanish is now Hispanohablantes: por favor, /join #debian-es - alli obtendran mas ayuda ~ Spanish sprakers: Please /join #debian-es, you will get much more help there
16:24<dpkg>...but spanish is already something else...
16:24<ben_goodger>dpkg: now spanish is Hispanohablantes: por favor, /join #debian-es - alli obtendran mas ayuda ~ Spanish sprakers: Please /join #debian-es, you will get much more help there
16:24<dpkg>okay, ben_goodger
16:24<ben_goodger>woot, I commanded the bot
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16:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:24<dondelelcaro>dpkg: spanish =~ s#usen#/join#
16:24<dpkg>dondelelcaro: OK
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16:24<dondelelcaro>dpkg: spanish =~ s#use#/join#
16:24<dpkg>OK, dondelelcaro
16:24<dondelelcaro>dpkg: forget now spanish
16:24<dpkg>i forgot now spanish, dondelelcaro
16:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:25<themill>dondelelcaro: thanks, mate. that would be what I was missing....
16:26<dondelelcaro>the other half is that s/// doesn't take arbitrary separators
16:26<dondelelcaro>it has a short list of valid ones
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16:26<ben_goodger>how do you make it replace a message entirely?
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16:26<dondelelcaro>with no, but don't use that unless you know exactly what you're doing.
16:26<ben_goodger>dpkg, forget lloyds tsb
16:26<dpkg>i forgot lloyds tsb, ben_goodger
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16:27<themill>dondelelcaro: yeah, I figured that, and did try : (which it does accept), but had missed that es was an xref. (I normally double check first...)
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16:35<themill>ben_goodger: no getting bored are we?
16:35<ben_goodger>you have no idea
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16:36<ben_goodger>I liken myself to marvin at times... "my mind is so exceptionally large, that solving all of the problems of the universe except my own thrice over every second occupies no more than one percent of its capacity"
16:36<unknown>I'm amongst GODS :P
16:36<ben_goodger>no, just me. :P
16:36<ben_goodger>and before you ask, I'm not the officially-sactioned ben goodger, just a cheap imitation
16:36<unknown>ah, you just walk on water huh?
16:37<ben_goodger>no, that's impossible unless the force from your feet is less than that exerted as upthrust by the mutual attraction of dihydrogen ions and the water pressure
16:38<unknown>speaking of " waves" , anyone familiar with connecting wireless devices with debian?
16:38[~]ben_goodger gibbers
16:38<unknown>seems it's easyer to walk on water then use encryption
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16:39<themill>unknown: what's your problem?
16:39<unknown>connection using WEP or WPA,...withoutit it works fine
16:40<ben_goodger>{ a) is your router configured to use it and b) what version of debian are you using and c) are you using network manager } ?
16:40<unknown>as soons as I use either one of the methods it fails to connect
16:40<themill>unknown: can you give us some more details? what card/driver are you using, what have you tried, error messages?
16:40<themill>unknown: there you go... that some homework from us ;)
16:40<unknown>1 no driver, just installed 11mbit linksyss pci adapter
16:40<unknown>was recognized
16:40<unknown>I use debian 4.0
16:41<themill>unknown: can you give us an lspci or lsusb for that adapter?
16:41<unknown>3 yes I used all sorts of connection and network apps, im usualy good at that even though I say so yself
16:41<ben_goodger>1) I meant the router, is it configured to use WPA? it seems obvious but you can't actually use WPA without preconfiguring the router for it
16:41<unknown>feather up my ass don't hurt ;)
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16:42<ben_goodger>actually that would hurt quite significantly without a muscle relaxant and/or water-based lubricant
16:42<unknown>4 I use linksys router / accesspoint, know them shits
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16:42<xerxes>fucking debian is the shittiest operating system ever made
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16:42<themill>oh yay... and it's not even sunday
16:43<unknown>5 depends on how feather is inserted
16:43<ben_goodger>it wouldn't go in fluffy end first
16:43<unknown>me too
16:43<ben_goodger>too, er, floppy... though I will instantly regret saying that
16:43<unknown>whatever tickles yer fanny
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16:44<ben_goodger>I don't have one, I'm male
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16:44<unknown>sory, I have slight cold
16:44<themill>unknown: I'm still feeling like I don't have enough info to help you... are you trying to configure using command line tools, networkmanager, /etc/network/interfaces? And what driver is that card using.
16:44<ben_goodger>in any case, moving along from the subject of floppy anal feathers
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16:45<unknown>im not trying to connect usingcommand tools, hell, trying to avoid that shit
16:45<ben_goodger>networkmanager then? :)
16:45<ben_goodger>it's quite awful on etch. are you at all able to use lenny?
16:46<unknown>no drver , Iinstalled hardware and am able to conect with it, use internet etc, but when I switch on wpa or wep in router, and I configure using all sorts of gui apps under debian
16:46<unknown>it fails toconnect
16:46<skiter>so try connect using iwconfig
16:47<unknown>iw config
16:47<unknown>lemme try that
16:47<skiter>no iw config
16:47<unknown>sure I know
16:48<unknown>don't hassle meon my stupid typing
16:48<unknown>its tha kbord, honest
16:48<unknown>shitty silly-con feild kbord
16:48<unknown>and a poor typer @ that
16:49<themill>ben_goodger: if network manager works, then it is fantastic. It doesn't work with some wireless drivers though.
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16:49<hazard2>unknown, *typist (poor word choice -5)
16:49<unknown>me = dutch so stuffz yer grammar lessons
16:50<themill>unknown: what's your network device called eth1? wlan0?
16:50<unknown>impress the fuck out ofme and speak to me in dutch when it's nt yer natural linguiny
16:50<JasonS>unknown: being dutch is no excuse for bad grammer :)
16:50<JasonS>heck being american isn't either
16:50<ben_goodger>unknown: most dutch people have better english grammar than english and american people.
16:50<themill>unknown: so you've got it working so that ifup eth1 brings up your interface?
16:50<dkr>JasonS: or misspelling grammar. :p
16:50<unknown>beng american these days is being a russian during cold war P
16:50<ben_goodger>as do the chinese
16:51<ben_goodger>unknown: that's very succinct
16:51<themill>unknown: as long as wep isn't enabled
16:51<JasonS>dkr: lucky i got that close and we all know it :)
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16:52<unknown>themill, I had it online ip 'n all thatcrap, but it only fails to connect once I set it up for WEP or WPA, I know I am a dickhead thickskull, but doesn't that mean that there's nothing wrong with connetion?
16:53<themill>unknown: that means that things are working ok, but I've got to make sure that I give you instructions that will continue to work...
16:54<themill>unknown: you can set the essid and the key using iwconfig
16:54<unknown>don't worry bout that, im in nexpirimental phase with this install
16:54<themill>iwconfig is like ifconfig except that it gives you the details of the wireless connection.
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16:55<unknown>k hold on
16:55<unknown>oh and btw
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16:55<unknown>if im away for a bit its because I a doins something similar for other type of users
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16:55<kop_>I'm running make-kpkg on an etch x86 box and trying to cross compile to make a amd64 kernel. It complains that there's no .config file. What's the right way to get a Debian .config so I can start tweaking from there rather than going through the whole configure process?
16:55<unknown>sono disrespact towrds u guys
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17:01<mmInd>Is this the place for problems with simple-cdd? I'm getting a "aptmethod error receiving (404 Not Found)", any ideas?
17:01<themill>kop_: the config is shipped in each debian kernel package as /boot/config-$(uname -r) You could extract the config from another package downloaded from
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17:01<themill>mmInd: there is no security support for sid.
17:01<ben_goodger>you have two /s between .org and dists
17:01<ben_goodger>remove one of them
17:01<ben_goodger>also, what themill said
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17:01<ben_goodger>so just remove the whole line
17:01<kop_>themill: Thanks. I'll give it a go.
17:01<themill>mmInd: are you sure you should be using sid? If you didn't know that, then the answer is probably "no".
17:01<mmInd>Is there a way to change simple-cdd so it doesn't look there?
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17:01<mmInd>oop, I think I may have answered my own question... (using the --dist option)
17:01<newb1>are y'all ready for a really stupid question?
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17:03<ElJavo>come on
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17:03<JasonS>newb1: get them everyday at work, what's one more?
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17:03<newb1>well if i downloaded a package i wanted to install in debian? what do i do?
17:04<mmInd>dpkg -i <packagename>
17:04<dpkg>package <packagename> is already installed
17:04<newb1>ok but where the command prompt to type in the command?
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17:05<JasonS>newb1: mmInd just told you
17:05<chealer>newb1: do you use GNOME or KDE?
17:05<JasonS>newb1: but are you positive its not in aptitude?
17:05<themill>newb1: what have you downloaded and from where>
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17:16<kop_>Why is there both a linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64_2.6.22-4_amd64.deb and a linux-image-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb in the pool directory of the mirror I'm looking at? The description returned by dpkg -I (Description:) is the same, the only difference is in the architecture. I don't understand the package names. (And reading debian-policy has not helped, there seems to be an extra '-'.)
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17:16<newb1>ok how do i give myself superuser privilege?
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17:16<kop_>newb1: You can use the "su -" command.
17:16<JasonS>newb1: maybe you should answer the earlier questions you were asked
17:16<JasonS>they are sort of important
17:17<themill>!wayttd newb1
17:17<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, newb1?
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17:17<newb1>i'm using gnome
17:17<newb1>trying to install a package
17:18<kop_>newb1: I've not been following along, but you should either be using the aptitude command line tool or the synaptic grahpical tool. (Found somewhere in the debian menu. I dunno, I don't use it.)
17:19<themill>kop_: amd64 kernels are for x86_64 arch (aka amd64, also for core 2 duo machines etc) and amd64 is the name of the architecture for that distro. i386 is the name of the 32 intel architecture and the kernels come in two different flavours -- 486 or 686.
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17:19<JasonS>newb1: what package
17:19<themill>newb1: please tell us what you are really trying to do, not jsut the next step in what you think you are up to.
17:19<JasonS>newb1: and not just "im installing a package" the more you tell us the better they can help
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17:20<kop_>themill: But what is both amd64 and i386 doing in the name of the package? I'd think there'd be either one or the other. Obviously, the last "token" is the target arch, but why is amd64 in the name of a i386 arch package?
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17:21<themill>kop_: I'm not seeing amd64 and i386 in the same package name there.... sure you're not going cross-eyed
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17:22<themill>!wb abrotman
17:22<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned!
17:22<JasonS>dont encourage him themill :)
17:22<kop_>themill: My bad. I meant the linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64_2.6.22-4_i386.deb package.
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17:23<testi>TaskJuggler crashes when I start it up for the first time click edit > insert date, can anyone reproduce this? I did only test the version in debian stable (etch)
17:24<themill>kop_: ahh... you can run the amd64 kernel with a 32 bit userspace if you want. The 32 bit userspace is from the i386 distro, so the amd64 kernel has to be installable within i386 too. (I think ;)
17:24<kop_>themill: (Sadly, yes. I'm going cross eyed.)
17:25<kop_>themill: That's interesting. I assume you can't simultainously run a 64bit userland as well, or can you?
17:25<themill>umm... never played with amd64 at all... no idea.
17:26<themill>kop_: well, not strictly true... I have a core 2 duo, but am running 32bit on it.
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17:26<kop_>themill: I'll try the 64bit userland 64bit amd64 .config file for my cross compile then.
17:26<kop_>themill: Faster, or why?
17:28<unknown>seems i got it working after all
17:28<themill>kop_: 32bit is still just easier for a desktop. java, flash, wine, proprietry codecs, etc. I'm finding that the dual processor works very nicely for desktop stuff. Since I don't have TB of disk or memory, I don't have technical needs for 64 bit atm.
17:28<themill>unknown: well done. what did you end up doing?
17:29<unknown>i switched from open to convined (or sumething, sys in dutch) in wep settings
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17:30<unknown>lemme look it up
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17:31<unknown>yeah, but looking now it aint set restricted either
17:31<themill>if it's working be happy.
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17:32<themill>Now, you can either convince your gui wireless tool to use these settings too, or put them into /etc/network/interfaces so that they are saved for next time
17:33<unknown>it's done in gui
17:33<unknown>maybe it was holding on d\to some silly config
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17:34<themill>what gui are you using?
17:34<themill>but kwifi or knetworkmanager?
17:34<themill>knetworkmanager is the better choice. works very nicely.
17:35<unknown>depends on type of adapter
17:35<unknown>used all sorts
17:35<themill>yes, but kwifi stuff is rubbish and rarely works at all
17:35<unknown>but am new to debian
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17:40<kop_>(I prefer to stick with the text files (/etc/network/interfaces) so I can leave little notes to myself about the whys and hows of the configuration.)
17:40<unknown>ill lok in to that for sure kop
17:40<themill>kop_: very true, but it's a pain when you're travelling with a laptop :( /e/n/i isn't great for roaming.
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17:40<themill>unknown: man 5 interfaces and man 7 wireless for the syntax
17:40<kop_>themill: I'm experimenting with 64bit hoping that I'll get better bandwith through memory etc for video.
17:41<unknown>there's not much in that file
17:41<unknown>am i right?
17:42<themill>unknown: not to start with ;)
17:42<unknown>so what can I add for instance>
17:42<unknown>besides a note to myself reminding me to get rizla's
17:43<themill>iface eth1 dhcp\n\twireless-essid your-essid-here\n\twireless-key "your-key" etc
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17:44<unknown>so evrything after the dhcp i can copy, edit and it holds the settings?
17:45<kop_>Is this a normal warning when running make-kpgk with --arch to cross compile? dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu.
17:45<themill>unknown: yes. ifup eth1 will then apply the wireless settings and then run the dhcp client.
17:45<kop_>unknown: It should. You can use the if-up and if-down commands to test what you add to the interfaces file.
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17:49<unknown>ok, added some info and instructions to mself including the line with pico
17:49<unknown>I feel like a regular geek now
17:49<unknown>note: get pencilprotector for shortsleaved shirt tomorrow
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17:50<foug>Nyle, flami: either of oyu there?
17:50<unknown>note: replace duct-tape on glasses
17:53<kop_>unknown: Next step: Get religion. Choose vi or emacs. :)
17:53<themill>but make it vim not vi
17:54<arrrgrrr>vim ftw
17:55[~]ricky cheers for Vim :)
17:55[~]lupine_85 hands out nano testers
17:55<unknown>what's wrong with pico?
17:55<kop_>unknown: Nothing, but it's not for when you really want to write something.
17:56<themill>isn't pico non-free?
17:56<unknown>kay, thnx
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17:56<kop_>themill: I think so, but nano is a pico clone (IIRC) and is free.
17:56<lupine_85>there's also joe
17:56<lupine_85>but that was rather buggy last time I tried it
17:56<themill>kop_: yeah, I know that... but the question was about pico ;)
17:57<kop_>lupine_85: Check out mg, for the teeny emacs clone.
17:57<unknown>hmm, and how do i exit vim now?
17:57<ricky>unknown: :q
17:57<lupine_85>unknown: :q!
17:57<lupine_85>it's a PITA
17:57<arrrgrrr>or control w q
17:57<lupine_85>as is emacs
17:57<themill>:q for quit, :x to save and exit
17:57<ricky>Or ZZ
17:57<ricky>Or :x
17:57[~]lupine_85 prepares himself to receive the head of vecna
17:57<Novato>hi , anyone help me
17:57<bzed>!anyone Novato
17:58<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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17:58<kop_>Emacs at least has only one thing you need to remember, control-x then control-c. After that everything can be done with the arrow keys and such if you're new to it.
17:59<arrrgrrr>arrow keys take too much effort since you have to move your hand
17:59<ricky>hjkl :)
17:59<kop_>arrrgrrr: I agree. That's why you learn the real emacs.
17:59<ricky>I think Emacs has two-button keymaps that you can use instaed of the arrow keys.
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18:00<kop_>Yup, ctrl-f for forward, ctrl-b for backwards, etc. It all makes sense. (For some value of sense.)
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18:02<arrrgrrr>mmmmhmmm I'm loving octave, it's mostly compatible with matlab and you can use it on the command line too
18:02<kop_>arrrgrrr: I'd like to get into r, but never get around to it.
18:02<arrrgrrr>what's r
18:03<kop_>arrrgrrr: R is like S, only better. It's a language for stats.
18:03<themill>this is all sounding really west-country with all these rrrrrr's about....
18:03<kop_>arrrgrrr: (iirc)
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18:04<arrrgrrr>kop_: I see, looks cool, no debian package for it?
18:04<kop_>Ninjas and Pirates agree, Cowboys suck!
18:04<azeem>kop_: please stay on topic
18:05<azeem>and don't parrot Threadless Shirt slogans
18:05<bzed>arrrgrrr: I'm packaging freemat at the moment, looks really good, too
18:05[~]arrrgrrr googles
18:06<themill>arrrgrrr: r is in debian
18:06<bzed>there're MUCH r in debian as far as I can tell
18:06<themill>arrrgrrr: r-base
18:06<arrrgrrr>ah thanks
18:06<kop_>arrrgrrr: yeah "aptitude search ^r-"
18:06<kop_>azeem: Sorry.
18:06<arrrgrrr>apt-cache search r gave a million result lol
18:07<bzed>arrrgrrr: apt-cache rdepends r-base is probably more effective
18:08<bzed>apt-cache rdepends r-base-core
18:08<arrrgrrr>bzed: how's freemat
18:08<bzed>arrrgrrr: didn';t use much of it so far, but I really like it
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18:09<BoBo-B>how put a process to start when linux start ?
18:09<bzed>arrrgrrr: want to give it a try? I have packages to test for amd64, and of course the source
18:09<ben_goodger>"maybe you’re one of the five people in the world who loves hearing daily insights about how juicy the milk from Microsoft’s cloned bosom is, but to be honest I’d take most _anything_ from Miguel above another Silverlight post right now [so please don't challenge miguel over posting political stuff"
18:09<arrrgrrr>It's written in c? Funnily enough, matlab on linux crashed with large matrices while octave works just fine
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18:10<bzed>arrrgrrr: it's written in c++ for the ui (using qt) and a lot of fortran
18:10<sheldonh>bugger. looks like the funambol people have stopped distributing debian packages
18:10<arrrgrrr>bzed: thanks, I'm on 32 bit and I don't feel like compiling :P
18:11<BoBo-B>how put a process to start when linux start ?
18:11<bzed>BoBo-B: there're 21143123123 ways to do this, please explain a bit moer, especially which kind of process you want to run, as which user, is ait from a debian package, and so on.
18:11<arrrgrrr>BoBo-B: rc.local?
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18:11<bzed>BoBo-B: and WAIT before askign the same stuff again and again
18:12<kop_>BoBo-B: rc.local is the easy way. Otherwise there's the right way, which is explained in the debian reference manual at, I think.
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18:13<bzed>arrrgrrr: are you using etch or sid? I guess I could compile it for you, will take something like 10 minutes, though
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18:14[~]bzed needs to work more on the package
18:15<arrrgrrr>bzed: sid, if you don't mind, can you put it on a site somewhere, dcc over tor does not work :P
18:15<bzed>arrrgrrr: let me start my 32bit vserver on this machine
18:15<bzed>arrrgrrr: etch or testing/unstable?
18:15<arrrgrrr>thank you :)
18:15<arrrgrrr>unstable, bzed
18:17<kop_>When cross compiling with make-kpkg do I really need to make a "echo -e '#!/bin/bash\nxargs gcc -m64' > /usr/local/amd64-linux-gcc" to avoid an error like "make[1]: amd64-linux-gcc: Command not found". (As recommended by It seems like there'd be a more standard way to do this sort of thing.
18:17<bzed>arrrgrrr: please note that I'm not sure if the packaging wills tary as it is, but I think it will. But you probably will ahve to purge it before you can upgrade to the version which will hit debian
18:17<kop_>Oops. That'd be /usr/local/bin/.
18:18<arrrgrrr>bzed: when will it enter debian?
18:22<bzed>arrrgrrr: I work on it whenever I have time, but checking 3600 files takes some time
18:25<arrrgrrr>oh, I'm just curious that's all, octave serves my needs very well atm, if it's too much trouble, you can forget about it :P
18:25<kop_>This is odd. My cntrl-b key suddenly stopped working. I suspect kde.
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18:29<unknown>sorry but
18:29<unknown>iface eth1 dhcp\n\twireless-essid your-essid-here\n\twireless-key "your-key"
18:29<unknown> etc
18:29<unknown>does that etc belong or does it mean etcetera?
18:30<unknown>cause when i add without etc i get too many parameters error
18:30<unknown>didn't try it with cause i thought,...well the obvious
18:30<themill>unknown: you are, of course, writing that line out as a stanza with \n as a newline and \t as a tab or spaces, aren't you....
18:30<arrrgrrr>I don't think it belongs there
18:30<unknown>u mean \n\ means new line?
18:31<kop_>unknown: \n newline, \t tab
18:31<unknown>ah ok lemme try
18:31<arrrgrrr>unknown: this is for /etc/network/interfaces ?
18:32<arrrgrrr>looks like you might have forgotten the "inet"
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18:33<unknown>do I leave auto eth1?
18:33<arrrgrrr>if you want it to come online when you boot up
18:33<themill>unknown: man 5 interfaces
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18:37<Coldhem>I need to reconfigure the Xorg. The Grafficcard. What is the command for Xrecondig?
18:37<stew>!drxx Coldhem
18:37<dpkg>Coldhem: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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18:40<BoBo-B>how put a process to start with another user ?
18:40<BoBo-B>when linux start
18:40<themill>!init script
18:40<dpkg>well, init script is add your custom script to /etc/init.d/ (it must have a shebang line (that #!/bin/sh or whatever at the beginning) and be mode +x), then do update-rc.d <your script name> defaults
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18:41<themill>BoBo-B: ^^ and use su to set the user.
18:41<kop_>BoBo-B: You can use "su" to run something as another user, but what are you trying to do?
18:41<skiter>su - user -c "command"
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18:41<themill>BoBo-B: but it would be better for you to tell us what you are really trying to do
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18:42<BoBo-B>su - bobo
18:42<BoBo-B>cd /home/bobo/BoBo/eggdrop/
18:42<BoBo-B>./eggdrop -m bot1.conf
18:42<BoBo-B>exit 0
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18:42<BoBo-B>is good ?
18:43<BoBo-B>su - bobo
18:43<BoBo-B>cd /home/bobo/BoBo/eggdrop/
18:43<BoBo-B>./eggdrop -m bot1.conf
18:43<kop_>I'm going to give up on this cross-compiling. I've a feeling that make-kpkg will want a amd64 version of all of: gcc, ld, ar, objcopy, and objdump.
18:43<kop_>!tell BoBo-B -about paste
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18:43<themill>night all....
18:44<BoBo-B>is good ?
18:45<themill>BoBo-B: there are so many problems there.... you can't use su like that, and why are you wanting to run an irc bot anyway?
18:46<BoBo-B>i want to put start irc bot when linux start
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18:46<BoBo-B>and to user bobo
18:46[~]themill sighs
18:46<unknown>it says DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to port 67 interval 5
18:47<themill>one day I'll actually get a straight answer to a question
18:47<themill>unknown: that's a good thing. check your settings in iwconfig
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18:47<Coldhem>I have a small problem with my touchpad
18:47<stew>BoBo-B: why aren't you using the debian package of eggdrop?
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18:48<themill>stew: hi!
18:48<kop_>!tell Coldhem -about ask
18:49<themill>stew: meta-questions aren't working well for me today... hope you have better luck :) (I'm off to bed)
18:50<unknown>oly thing that aint right is that it says encryption key is off in iwconfig
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18:51<stew>unknown: iwconfig eth1 key 12345567890 ; or edit /etc/network/interfaces and add a "wireless-key yourkeyhere" to the eth1 stanza
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18:57<Coldhem>I can't use my screen anylonger. The Xserver has crashed and it does not find my screen.
18:57<Coldhem>I'm usin a laptop
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18:58<Coldhem>how do i restart GDM?
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19:00<unknown>is see error now
19:00<unknown>i had twireless-key
19:00<unknown>it should have been wireless-key
19:01<unknown>but why is twireless-essid ok
19:01<bzed>sorry, I was too late as usual
19:01[~]bzed should start to realize that he had scrolled up
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19:02<Coldhem>i'made a fools mistake :) 32k to vidomemory? :)
19:02<bzed>unknown: probably the parser just doesn't take it 100% exactly at that place
19:03<unknown>ah well glad it works
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19:03<D4rky`>hello... i have a question... how can i start a process as a deamon but with user rights... not root
19:03<unknown>quite simple after all that intefaces file
19:04<bzed>D4rky`: you don;t want to use broken things like eggdrops...
19:04<bzed>D4rky`: man 5 crontab
19:04<D4rky`>oky thx
19:04<bzed>a @reboot cronjob is probably somethign for you (if it daemonizes properly)
19:05<bzed>otherwise do it properly
19:05<bzed>look at the /etc/init.d/skeleton
19:05<bzed>copy it, edit it, create links in the right runlevels
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19:05<stew>D4rky`: man start-stop-daemon
19:06<D4rky`>yes tried start-stop-deamon
19:06<bzed>stew: somehow I doubt D4rky` is root on that machine ;)
19:06<D4rky`>i`m root but i wanna start the process with user rights
19:06<stew>then starting a process not as root should be no problem
19:07<stew>D4rky`: start-stop-daemon will do that for you
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19:07<D4rky`>i prefer to run it as user... and sometimes my power goes down... when comes the server is starting... and need some process to start automatly
19:12<D4rky`>thx guys
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19:13<Coldhem>how do i reconfigure the network like in the installation?
19:13<Coldhem>dpkg-reconfigure package?
19:18<stew>Coldhem: edit /etc/network/interfaces ; "man interfaces"
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19:19<foug>Nyle, you there?
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19:22<flami>Hi Im tryint to make syslogd listen to multiple sockets , man says it can listen to 19 different sockes with -a . but i dont know how to specify them is it like -a /path/to/socket1/ /path/to/socket2/ or is it different?
19:22<foug>flami, hey
19:22<foug>flami, i restarted my computer and got the bad x server error ;\ had to reinstall debian
19:22<flami>updated your kernel i guess?
19:23<foug>did i? before or after i insstalled nvidia drivers? Don't remember
19:23<flami>you need to rebuild a new kernel module every time you have a new kernel
19:23<flami>after i think :P
19:23<foug>how do you rebuild the kernel?
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19:24<flami>so you run module-assistant prepare && module-assistant update && module-assistant a-i nvidia-glx ( im not so sure about the module name )
19:25<flami>so xservers gonna complaint , you switch to the terminal , run that , then /etc/init.d/gdm(or kdm what ever youre useing) start
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19:26<foug>ok so to prevent all that crap, should i install the new kernel now? then do the one liner?
19:27<flami>yep kinda
19:27<flami>i think though that if you install the nvidia glx it also install a precompiled kernel module
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19:27<flami>cant rememebr though I use ATI
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19:28<flami>if not , you gotta pay attention when you update next time
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19:31<unknown>bye y'all
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19:39<foug>"contrib non-free" is what i need to add to the lines of my repositories right.
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19:46<bzed>foug: first thing: no need to rebuild your kernel. second thing: no need to reinstall debian because your X doesn;t work. there're even console irc clients tyou can use to ask for help
19:46<bzed>foug: and yes, that's what you need to add there
19:47<foug>bzed, yea i got irssi to speak to someone but everyone was idle so i just reinstalled. I don't know how to go back to a xorg.conf backup
19:48<bzed>foug: what you could try though is to try to figure out of the driver in etch has a problem with your nvidia card, there were a few rare models which didn;t work
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19:50<bzed>foug: in case you've messed with your xorg.conf and want to allow dpkg-reconfigure to replace it, you can do this: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
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19:51<bzed>foug: ignore that, tha's the pretty old version
19:51<bzed>let me fix that
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19:51<luciano_uisk>i am having ptoblems in configuring a wireless card under debian etch
19:51<luciano_uisk>can anyone help?
19:52<bzed>foug: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
19:52<bzed>that's it
19:52<bzed>but you oly need it if you've messed with your xorg.conf and want to allow dpkg-reconfigure to overwrite it
19:52<chealer>luciano_uisk: not without knowing the problems.
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19:53<chealer>bzed: that's not needed anymore since Etch
19:53<luciano_uisk>well, my card just dont appear under ifconfig -a or iwconfig
19:53<COoLiO^>cant u mount knoppix on ur hard drive? and run it whilst windows is running ?
19:53<bzed>chealer: sure?
19:53<chealer>COoLiO^: do you use Debian?
19:54<chealer>bzed: yes
19:54<luciano_uisk>and under kurumin it works fine, even without ndiswrapper
19:54<foug>bzed, well i would have to. After i try to install the nvidia drivers to enable direct rendering and everything gets messed up, "startx" doesn't work right
19:54<cire>is it possible, in openoffice-calc, to refer to strings as it is possible with values? e.g. "=A1 bar", where A1 contains String "foo" ?
19:54<COoLiO^>chealer: no i use xp :/ if thats wat u mean, and im trying to run knoppix.
19:54<chealer>COoLiO^: Knoppix is offtopic on #debian
19:54<chealer>!tell COoLiO^ about knoppix
19:54<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: What is your wireless card?
19:55<bzed>foug: first why do you use startx at all? install gdm or kdm. but you should have reconfigured your xorg using dpkg-reconfigure
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19:55<cire>!tell cire about knoppix
19:55<foug>bzed, well those are isntalled, but it's after i try to set up the nvidia drivers (i got it working, glxinfo gave me "direct rendering: yes) but after i restart, it doesn't work. Nothing loads, no gdm or startx
19:55<chealer>cire: would know better.
19:55<luciano_uisk>is a d-link one
19:55<luciano_uisk>dwl g-510
19:56<COoLiO^>but i thought knoppix uses Debian based GNU/Linux distribution ?
19:56<cire>chealer: tried that, channel does not exist. I should use another server then...
19:56<bzed>foug: did you play with the drivers from first?
19:56<bzed>foug: that usually messes thigns up
19:56<chealer>!tell COoLiO^ about based on debian
19:56<bzed>foug: doing what dpkg told you always worked well
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19:57<chealer>cire: indeed
19:57<foug>bzed, no i did the one liner first, then nyle and flami helped me do a lot of commands that eventually led to the one liner
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19:58<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: What revision (eg. "c") is your DWL-G510 card, if any?
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19:59<BoyZ>how create a vhost ?
19:59<luciano_uisk>i'm using kurumin, accessing the internet with this card
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20:00<luciano_uisk>is there a way to see it under the os?
20:00<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: Use "lspci". Pastebin the output somewhere.
20:00<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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20:01<luciano_uisk>something like "lsmod", "cat /proc/devices", ...
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20:02<BoyZ>how create a vhost ?
20:02<luciano_uisk>01:06.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
20:02<luciano_uisk>it looks like "revision B"
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20:03<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: You'll need to use the rt61 driver within your Debian system, to enable use of your wireless card.
20:04<gsimmons>!tell luciano_uisk -about ralink
20:04<luciano_uisk>and how do i enable it? just put it under /etc/modules?
20:05<chealer>gsimmons: I think he could use ndiswrapper instead
20:05<luciano_uisk>but i didnt need ndiswrapper under kurumin, ...
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20:06<gsimmons>chealer: Sure, but there are native drivers available for that card's chipset.
20:06<chealer>gsimmons: yes, but I don't think he needs to use that
20:07<foug>does anyone have a logitech mx 610?
20:10<foug>what is the difference between the netinstall and the full CD/DVD? Software and support wise
20:10<chealer>foug: the netinst only has the standard system, while a full CD or DVD is full
20:10<luciano_uisk>and is there a way to see the features that are compiled under the kernel?
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20:11<chealer>luciano_uisk: you can check the kernel's configuration in /boot/ if that's what you mean
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20:14<foug>chealer, does the full DVD come with better video card support? Will it set it up for me?
20:14<luciano_uisk>just for me not to lose the focus, ...
20:14<chealer>foug: no
20:14<luciano_uisk>how can i install my wlan card?
20:14<luciano_uisk>with the rt2400 package?
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20:15<luciano_uisk>can i download it from the repositories and install it using dpkg?
20:15<chealer>luciano_uisk: no. RaLink RT2561/RT61 needs either rt61, rt2x00 or ndiswrapper.
20:15<luciano_uisk>do you think that it will work?
20:15<chealer>luciano_uisk: you can choose the one you prefer. I recommend either rt61 or ndiswrapper.
20:15<chealer>luciano_uisk: no
20:15<luciano_uisk>ok, ..
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20:19<luciano_uisk>what should i do, so?
20:19<luciano_uisk>i found a rt61 package in apt-get
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20:20<luciano_uisk>can i use apt-get --download-only
20:20<chealer>luciano_uisk: hum, are you sure? who maintains it?
20:20<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: You did? I didn't believe these were packaged.
20:20<dpkg>Ralink legacy drivers for RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at
20:20<luciano_uisk>and then install it under debian?
20:20<luciano_uisk>thanks for the help
20:21<luciano_uisk>i thought that it would be under the repositories, ..
20:22<luciano_uisk>how can i see who mantains a package?
20:22<luciano_uisk>i use apt-get install rt <tab><tab>
20:23<luciano_uisk>it works for me, ...
20:23<luciano_uisk>but i dont know why it dowsnt work sometimes, ...
20:23<chealer>luciano_uisk: which package manager do you prefer?
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20:24<luciano_uisk>i know that exist sinaptyc and aptitude, but i never studied neither of them, ..
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20:25<chealer>luciano_uisk: you can see that easily in synaptic
20:26<jagerman>apt-cache show packagename if you want a command line tool
20:27<elfish>Hello people, a quick question (I hope): in Debian, if I wanted to add a static route (route add.....) so that it persisted over reboot, what in /etc/ should I be modifying?
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20:30<gsimmons>elfish: /etc/network/interfaces, "up" iface command within the appropriate iface stanza (eg. "up route add -host gw").
20:30<luciano_uisk>well, thanks for the tips
20:31<luciano_uisk>and back to that question, to see the parameters that my kernel was compiled i have to look to where?
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20:32<dkr>luciano_uisk: /boot/config-2*
20:32<luciano_uisk>ah, ok, ...
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20:33<luciano_uisk>i was trying to mount a samba partition under slackware, once
20:33<elfish>ah, awesome. I understand now (having read man interfaces). Thanks very much!
20:33<luciano_uisk>and the mount -t cifs didnt worked
20:33<luciano_uisk>could it be because the kernel options?
20:34<dkr>wrong channel to ask about slackware, :)
20:35<luciano_uisk>ok, sorry, ...
20:36<luciano_uisk>is just that i thought it would be something of the kernel, ..
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20:36<luciano_uisk>and other thing
20:37<luciano_uisk>i tried to change the resolution of the screen in gnome, from 1240x768 to 800x600 and when i tried to change it X restarted and didnt changed the resolution
20:37<luciano_uisk>why is that?
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20:39<arrrgrrr>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:39<arrrgrrr>check the EE and WW lines
20:44<luciano_uisk>can i try to install this packages chrooting to the partition of debian instead rebooting my PC?
20:44<luciano_uisk>or it could make something goes wrong?
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20:47<chealer>luciano_uisk: if you mean that X crashed, that must be a bug...try looking at the BTS
20:48<luciano_uisk>well, my problem was that when i selected the 800x600 resolution the X was restarted, ..
20:48<luciano_uisk>as if i had pressed ctrl+backspace
20:48<luciano_uisk>i dont know if gnome have a limiter of the resolution, ..
20:48<luciano_uisk>i used the tab "preferences"-"resolution of the screen"
20:48<dendrite>Can any Makefile guru explain how to get $H to expand only for *one* rule? See
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20:51<luciano_uisk>well, i will try to set my wireless card
20:51<luciano_uisk>thanks for the helps
20:51<luciano_uisk>see ya
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21:26<COoLiO^>apart from pico and nano, wat else is there?
21:26<COoLiO^>to open a file for text editoring
21:29<miksuh>gedit :)
21:29<dli>COoLiO^, vim
21:29<miksuh>vi, emacs etc
21:29<COoLiO^>vim or vi ?
21:29<COoLiO^>or both
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21:31<saltmiser>hmm, out of curiosity, does anybody use xmms2 here?
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22:13<ElJavo>hi! someone has installed gnash ? I have some troubles on it
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22:20<silent>hey guys, how do I make ssh fully transparent? my modifiers aren't going through properly. (ctrl+s wont register)
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22:23<dondelelcaro>silent: ^S isn't intercepted by ssh.
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22:24<dondelelcaro>silent: the only thing that ssh intercepts is <enter>~[.^Z#&?BCR]; man ssh; for details.
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22:29<silent>dondelelcaro, something is wrong, some times ctrl+a+d registers as ctrl+a, could it be something with X? I've tried in tty as well. should I reinstall ssh?
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22:34<mzhang>dli: there?
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22:38<dondelelcaro>silent: neither will help you; if characters are being lost it's either the terminal at one end, or the shell (or program) at the other
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23:54<dli>Test Result Totals:
23:54<dli> Total passes: 750
23:54<dli> Total untested: 32
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