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---Logopened Wed Oct 03 00:00:01 2007
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00:01<Kichigai>I'm kinda trapped in dependency hell and would like a pass out into dependency purgatory... if possible?
00:01<kop>!tell Kichigai -about ask
00:02<Kichigai>I'm running Sarge, I'm trying to install g++-3.3, but I keep ending up with errors like the follow (I've been chasing these errors for quite a while): cpp-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.6) but 1:3.3.6-7 is to be installed
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00:03<hachi>*headdesk* icedove 2.0 is stuck in unstable because it hasn't been built for mips yet. I appreciate the debian effort, but sometimes it just shoots me in the foot.
00:04<kop>Kichigai: Sarge has g++-3.3? If not then how are you trying to install it?
00:05<Kichigai>Yes, it does, apparently, and this is the exact error.
00:05<Kichigai> g++-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-13) but it is not going to be installed
00:05<Kichigai> Depends: gcc-3.3 (< 1:3.3.6) but it is not going to be installed
00:12<chealer>hachi: that's just one reason. in general icedove is poorly maintained.
00:12<kop>Kichigai: And you've not done any "pinning" or installed any .debs from somewhere other than Debian?
00:12<Kichigai>kop, Nope.
00:12<hachi>I'm gonna try to be blissful and pretend I didn't hear that... mostly because I'm tired of dealing with my operating system. I just want my computer to work (which thunderbird 1.5 was not)
00:12<kop>Kichigai: And your /etc/apt/sources.list says "sarge", not "stable"?
00:12<exlt>hachi: if that is the case, then just do a user install in your home dir
00:12<Kichigai>kop, should I change it to stable?
00:12<kop>Kichigai: No.
00:12<kop>Kichigai: If you do that then you wind up un-intentionally upgrading to etch.
00:12<Kichigai>Well, I don't have much trouble with the idea of upgrading it to etch, it it comes down to that.
00:12<kop>Kichigai: Have you done an "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" lately?
00:12<kop>Kichigai: To upgrade be sure to follow the release notes at
00:13<Kichigai>kop, well, aptitude wants me to remove a lot of gnome-cups stuff.
00:14<kop>Kichigai: Presumeably to be replaced with something newer?
00:14<Kichigai>Nope, they're just unused.
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00:15<kop>Kichigai: Aptitude is nice that way, if nothing else is using the package then it will remove it. However, if you've been using apt-get instead of aptitude you will want to review which packages you really want so it won't remove stuff you want.
00:15<kop>Kichigai: The etch release notes has notes on this.
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00:15<Kichigai>I'm hoping to avoid upgrading to etch if I can avoid it, though.
00:16<kop>Kichigai: You can use "aptitude --unmark-auto" (IIRC) to keep particular packages.
00:17<kop>Kichigai: Anyhow, whether you use aptitude or apt-get you need to do an update and an upgrade (and maybe a dist-upgrade) every now and then or you'll have trouble when you try to install new stuff that's really old and maybe does not exist any more.
00:17<Kichigai>I've already done that.
00:18<kop>Kichigai: So you're entirely up to date and you're still getting messages about dependencies?
00:18<Kichigai>First thing I did was the update and dist-update.
00:18<kop>Kichigai: There is no dist-update, you mean dist-upgrade.
00:19<Kichigai>Sorry, that's what I meant.
00:19<hachi>aaaarrrrrghhhhhhh, icedove is now segfaulting when I try to open an email
00:19<hachi>I just want the bloody thing to work
00:19<kop>Kichigai: The only thing I can suggest is to tell apt to install multiple packages at once, everything it complains about.
00:20<Kichigai>That's what I've been trying to do.
00:20<Kichigai>I've been chasing it up and down every dependency that it's complaining about, and I've hit a dead-end with gcc-base-3.3
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00:21<kop>Kichigai: I suppose you could remove the offending packages and then do the install. I dunno, we're starting to get out of my league.
00:21<Kichigai>If I do that, I end up removing half the system packages and I'm given some rather nasty warnings by apt as to how wise a decision this is.
00:22<kop>Kichigai: Have you tried going straight to g++-3.4?
00:23<Kichigai>g++-3.4 doesn't have cc1make
00:26<Kichigai>Screw it, I'll just upgrade to Etch.
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00:29<Kichigai>Well, looking at this, maybe I'd rather not.
00:29<indraveni>in my sony laptop, the dmesg is having a line something like
00:29<indraveni>sonypi: detected type3 model, verbose = 0, fnkeyinit = off, camera = off, compat = off, mask = 0xffffffff, useinput = on, acpi = on
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00:30<indraveni>is thiere anything that i can guess why my motioneye is not working in my laptop
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00:30<hachi>I'm now trying to use the official mozilla thunderbird binary on debian testing/unstable/experimental (pinned in fun ways)
00:30<hachi>rror while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
00:30<hachi>how do I get that?
00:30<chealer>hachi: you install libstdc++5
00:30<indraveni>help needed please, in making my camera work in debian linux
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00:32<hachi>okay, now the mozilla thing is segfaulting instead of throwing an error I can try to debug
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00:51<twb>Doing NIS between an Etch server and Sid workstations, it seems that only the first 8 letters of a password matter. A Solaris admin told me that's because it's doing DES by default and I should tell it to use MD5 in /etc/security/policy.conf. This file doesn't exist; what's the translation for that Solarisism?
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01:13<niru>there is no folder called /proc/acpi/sony in my sony laptop
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01:19<ethan>I'd like to use Debian Unstable (Sid). What is the best way to do that? Should I install Etch, update, then change sources to testing, update, then onto sid... Or should I install the latest testing debian installer? Or what? Thanks.
01:19<hachi>is there a debian application for relieving stress over the fact that I can't get thunderbird/icedove to NOT SEGFAULT?
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01:20<twb>ethan: sounds like you don't know enough to be using Sid
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01:20<twb>hachi: mutt?
01:21<ethan>twb, quiet the contrary. I'm just new to "Debian".
01:21<twb>ethan: exactly.
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01:21<ethan>I don't care. I'd like to know.
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01:23<SorenStoutner>ethan: Install testing, then upgrade *only the packages you have carefully vetted* to Sid.
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01:23<ethan>twb, thanks! I've been searching Google for answers for a while... I'm guessing testing is more suitable? Does that keep it up to date? I've always heard Debian was outdated unless testing/unstalbe.
01:23<SorenStoutner>I once accidentally upgraded and entire system to Sid. It took me a year to finally sort out all the weird things that does.
01:23<SorenStoutner>Testing is what you want. That's what I run.
01:24<ethan>Okay. So the latest build from the debian-installer?
01:24<twb>ethan: packages migrate from Sid to Lenny pretty quickly
01:24<SorenStoutner>Packages are uploaded to Unstable. If there are no problems they migrate to Testing in 10 day.
01:24<twb>ethan: they have a short triage period (say a week).
01:24<SorenStoutner>2 if there are security bugs.
01:25<SorenStoutner>In practice it usually takes longer than 10 days for important upgrades because they require major library upgrades that don't want to go through quickly.
01:25<ethan>Excellent, this sounds like what I want.
01:25<predder>what binary do I use under Debian to make a logical volume active?
01:25<SorenStoutner>Case in point.
01:25<SorenStoutner>OpenOffice is waiting for gtk+.
01:26<twb>predder: lvm2?
01:26<SorenStoutner>If you need a specific package and you've read over the bug reports and know there are no problems that affect you, you can snag it out of Ustable.
01:26<predder>twb, yes
01:26<gsimmons>niru: AFAICT, /proc/acpi/sony was replaced with /sys/devices/platform/sony-laptop.
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01:27<niru>gsimmons, thanks but even sony-laptop is not there
01:27<predder>twb, it's lvchange Thanks though
01:27<niru>under platform
01:27<predder>took me a while to figure that out
01:27<ethan>SorenStoutner, okay thanks! And it is the debian-installer that I download? I'll probably go for the netinst iso. (
01:27<niru>gsimmons, I see only sonypi
01:28<twb>predder: oh sorry, I thought you said pacakge
01:29<SorenStoutner>ethan: Yes, that's what you want.
01:29<ethan>SorenStoutner, okay thanks again. :)
01:29<niru>gsimmons, ?
01:29<SorenStoutner>Occasionally the daily build is broken. So if you have a problem, try the older snapshots.
01:30<SorenStoutner>But definitly go for the daily build first.
01:30<gsimmons>niru: <>. You'll need a later kernel.
01:30<niru>gsimmons, at present I am using 2.6.21
01:31<SorenStoutner>If you are running Windows, you can just use :)
01:31<ethan>I clicked on the netinst cd iso. That's the only netinst on the debian-installer page.
01:31<ethan>Nice :)
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01:49<litage|w>should an entry in /etc/aliases be in this format: username: a@b.c, d@e.f or this format?: username: <a@b.c>, <d@e.f>
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01:56<sep>litage|w, i use the first one, and it seams to work
01:58<twb>Either should work.
01:59<twb>It takes the same format as an RFC2822 multiple address field, AFAIK.
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01:59<litage|w>sep, twb: however, apparently local deliveries won't occur if you're using nullmailer..
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02:01<twb>nullmailer is not an SMTPd.
02:01<twb>Oh, apparently it is.
02:02<twb>But I would normally only set up aliases on the mail server, not leaf nodes running nullmailer.
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02:05<serge>Hello! Please help. Where can I redefine fonts for ghostscript in Etch 4.0. ..It was Fontmap.GS for version 7.xx, but there is no such a file in version 8.xx .
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02:07<coucou747>hi all
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02:14<serge>Hello! Please help. Where can I redefine fonts for ghostscript in Etch 4.0. ..It was Fontmap.GS for version 7.xx, but there is no such a file in version 8.xx .
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02:26<fgh>how do i edit locales?
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02:27<twb>fgh: edit which locales are installed, or which locales are used, or edit the actual locales?
02:27<sep>dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
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02:28<niru>VGN-TZ17GN sony laptop will it work with debian?
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02:29<fgh>edit which locales to be installed
02:30<fgh>dpkg-reconfigure locales did the trick
02:30<twb>fgh: sep told you
02:30<fgh>yep, thank you sep.
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02:31<fgh>sep's my hero for the rest of...
02:31<fgh>..the day
02:31<sep>haha :)
02:31<sep>swirls the cape and *POOF*
02:31<padski>when I stop X the font on my VCs turns to gibberish
02:32<jm_>padski: does reloading it help?
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02:32<jm_>padski: or maybe savetextmode & restore afterwards might help
02:32<padski>jm_: how do I do that ?
02:32<jm_>padski: consolechars command
02:32<padski>jm_: thanks, I'll give it a try
02:32<jm_>to restore it's just textmode IIRC
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02:53<twb>I hate firefox
02:54<twb>You can't copy the URL in the address bar into a xterm without using the mouse
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02:56<padski>twb: you can get there with tab ?
02:56<twb>padski: eh?
02:57<twb>It's a WONTFIX from the Firefox developers
02:57<twb>They believe that copying with the mouse and copying with the keyboard should use different selections (clipboards).
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02:57<Joris>twb: that's also been bugging me! really annoying isn't it
02:57<twb>And of course xterm will use the same selection for both mouse2 and Shift+Insert
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02:57<fgh>dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not
02:57<fgh>set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct
02:57<fgh>this problem.
02:58<twb>Joris: I normally use galeon/epiphany instead of iceweasel for just such fucking stupid WONTFIXes
02:58<fgh>ive re-run the dpkg-reconfigure but it wont write a /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all
02:58<twb>fgh: reinstall xorg
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02:59<twb>fgh: aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg
02:59<twb>Actually, this is easier
02:59<twb>echo xserver-xorg shared/default-x-server select xserver-xorg | debconf-set-selections
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03:04<hachi>I've installed every package I can think of and has been suggested in the mlterm docs on this machine
03:04<hachi>but I still can't see utf-8 things in the hiragana/katakana/kanji ranges
03:04<hachi>anyone have a clue what fonts I might be missing?
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03:05<twb>hachi: hmm, WFM with urxvt.
03:06<hachi>urxvt is not mlterm, mlterm uses scalable fonts, urxvt uses fixed fonts
03:07<hachi>amazingly enough, urxvt works for me too
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03:09<twb>urxvt -fn xft:Monospace
03:09<jm_>urxvt supports libfontconfig too
03:09<twb>For CJK I'd recommend urxvt over mlterm.
03:10<twb>I'd only use mlterm for right-to-left scripts (e.g. persian)
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03:10<padski>twb: so how do you get stuff out of this other buffer that firefox puts stuff into ?
03:10<twb>padski: you need to rewrite the C code in your tty to use the "correct" X selection.
03:11<twb>Or use an intermediary tool to copy from one selection to another... xcutfoo or whatever.
03:11<jm_>does xcutsel help?
03:11<twb>jm_: that's the one
03:11<padski>twb: lol
03:12<twb>But frankly I shouldn't have to fuck around with Firefox, because it Just Works with normal GTK apps -- including Epiphany and Galeon.
03:12<twb>I strongly suspect Firefox does a lot of NIH re-implementation.
03:14<twb>WTF, why does sun-java6-fonts depend on Java?
03:14<twb>They're *fonts* FFS, not a java program.
03:15<twb>Oh, never mind. I see the actual fonts are included in the JRE package: "The Lucida fonts are included in the sun-java6-jre package. This package makes the fonts available to defoma."
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03:16<padski>when I stop X on my ibook g4 the console fonts trun to gibberish. I tried consolechars -d but it didn't help. when I start X it reverts.
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03:16<padski>seems there is no textmode on ppc
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---Logopened Wed Oct 03 03:24:48 2007
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03:25<twb>padski: there was a netsplit
03:25<padski>twb: partition in the irc server network ?
03:25<twb>padski: that's where two of the IRC servers in the ring forget how to talk to one another
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03:41<klaes>hey, im having this really odd problem with eclipse... like, if i start the application i write there, in java, i cant move mouse over the run/debug/other buttons... it just crashes... i get an error log, and something about gcj-4.1 which doesnt make sence, since i would think it should use gcj-4.2 (which is installed yes)
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03:42<klaes>also, if i do "apropos gcj" its all about 4.1, but the error that comes says its something to do with libgtk-x11... which, does not exist in my repositories, lol
03:43<twb>Sounds about normal for Java junk :-/
03:43<klaes>any ideas, suggestions? :)
03:44<fgh>how do i set monitor freq in xorg.conf
03:44<twb>IME very little Java stuff actually works unless you drop your trousers, bend over and install Sun Java
03:44<klaes>lol, i did do all that ^^
03:44<twb>klaes: gcj /= sun ava
03:44<klaes>and eclipse using the 1.6.,..
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03:44<klaes>i know
03:45<twb>klaes: perhaps you're still using gcj as the alternative, try update-alternatives --all
03:45<klaes>hmm, interesting ye...
03:45<twb>fgh: you are reading man xorg.conf?
03:45<klaes>ill try...
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03:49<alykde>hi i have amd athlon xp2400+ cpu and 2.6.18-5-k7 kernel whats the cpufreq command for modprobe ?
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03:51<jm_>powernow-k8 is the module name
03:51<klaes>twb: hmm, it uses fastjar for jar files, it should use the sun-6 thing right? btw, it is all one big mess with java, like half are connected to java 5, half to java 6, lol
03:52<alykde>jm_, thx
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03:54<alykde>jm_, it said no such device :?
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03:56<twb>klaes: I don't fucken know
03:56<twb>Java is a crock of shit
03:57<klaes>heh, ye
03:57<twb>At *least* use Python
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03:57<klaes>just putting it all as java 6, then at least that should make up for some of it :P
03:58<klaes>but, in choosing between C, C++ and java for networking server/client? java...
03:58<dtmaster>hallo. kann mir hier jemand helfen sendmail von einem sarge system zu entfernen?
03:59<jm_>alykde: is this k8 chip or older?
03:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, freenode or
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04:01<alykde>i said its athlon 2400+ 32bit
04:02<jm_>if only I'd knew where k8 started - is this k7?
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04:03<alykde>i tried k7 to dont work :D
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04:05<jm_>well Athlons prior to k8 don't have this unless you have a mobile version
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04:07<alykde>no i have desktop pc :D
04:07<jm_>right so that's why it doesn't work
04:08<jm_>you can still have mobile Athlon CPU in desktop PC btw - many people bought it because it overclocked really well
04:08<alykde>yea overcloced real clock 1800+
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04:12<alykde>but dmesg out is true CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ stepping 01
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04:14<jm_>yeah XP kinda gives it up, I simply forgot about that
04:14<niru>how to load sony_acpi module
04:14<niru>I got the .tar.gz
04:14<niru>when did make
04:14<niru>it showed error
04:15<alykde>powernow-k8: Processor cpuid 681 not supported
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04:16<valdyn>niru: why when its already included with stock debian kernels?
04:17<valdyn>niru: uh, nm, it is not
04:17<niru>valdy, I am using 2.6.21 kerenel
04:17<valdyn>niru: right.
04:17<niru>and getting problem with projector
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04:17<niru>valdy, I have a sony laptop which does not work with projector
04:18<valdyn>niru: copy it to a place of your choice in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
04:18<valdyn>niru: then run depmod -a
04:18<valdyn>niru: then 'modprobe sony_acpi'
04:18<niru>valdy, no ablt to understand how to make the function keys and brightness key and projector to make it work
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04:18<niru>valdy, copy what
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04:18<valdyn>niru: uh, you extract the tar.gz first and compile the module
04:19<valdyn>niru: there should be a README inside
04:19<klaes>the links that shows up for "apropos gcj" all have to do with gcj-4.1, how can i update them to link to some gcj-4.2?
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04:21<niru>valdy, yes I extracted and it shows error
04:22<niru>valdy, make -C /lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/build SUBDIRS=/root/Desktop/sony_acpi modules
04:22<niru>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
04:22<niru>make: *** [default] Error 2
04:22<valdyn>niru: 'aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
04:24<niru>valdy, doing
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04:24<niru>valdy, yes I installed but still shows the same error
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04:27<twb>Is there any way to multiplex apt-get installations?
04:27<twb>It's annoying that while I'm waiting for ttf-* to install, I can't schedule installation of ~Px-terminal-emulator.
04:28<niru>valdy, ?
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04:28<klaes>twb: you can just put it after, like... apt-get install ttf-* Px-terminal-emulator
04:28<klaes>twb: :)
04:28<twb>klaes: I know that
04:29<klaes>twb: ah, you mean in the middle of it?
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04:29<twb>But I've resolved conflicts by hand for the ttf- installation, and while that's running, without interrupting it and having it forget my resolutions, I want to start resolving ~Px-terminal-emulator conflicts.
04:29<jm_>twb: won't work because of a lock by dpkg
04:30<twb>jm_: right
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04:30<twb>Theoretically I could probably run the second as not-root, and then only become root when ready, but that seems to be broken on my systems because ~/.aptitude isn't readable by root (/home is NFS with root_squash)
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04:33<twb>I should add that I'm on a relatively slow (512kbps) ADSL line, but I get Debian packages for free. So my plan is to just install lots of stuff now so I won't have to wait for it to download later.
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04:34<twb>...which is why I'm installing stuff like "every terminal emulator and font"
04:34<jm_>ahh maybe aptitude download might help so you at least download them while it's doing other stuff
04:34<twb>Nod, but that puts them in $PWD
04:35<twb>The cache is locked
04:35<twb>cf. aptitude --download-only install
04:35<twb>I guess I could do that and then mv them into the cache by hand.
04:36<jm_>hopefully it doesn't have a lock for that, I never tried
04:36<twb>It does.
04:36<serge>Hello! Problem with standart kernel of Etch and forcedeth chip, why it reports "invalid mac address detected" and each time switches the Ethernet to random address, so my system has no network. The only forkaround I know is to rm the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25*net.rules, so it gives a chace for next boot only. But the second boot the problem appears again. How to solve it?
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04:37<twb>jm_: curiously, aptitude search ~Px-terminal-emulator lists about 50 entries, but aptitude download ~Px-terminal-emulator doesn't download anything
04:37<jm_>serge: make a more generic rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25*net.rules
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04:41<serge>jm_, can you please advice how to make it..? I can't understand what exactly I need to do...
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04:41<jm_>serge: edit the file
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04:42<serge>jm_, should I need to insert there real MAC?
04:43<serge>..I tried to edit it but no success
04:43<jm_>serge: no, you need to make udev rule more generic, wait
04:43<twb>serge: the answer lies within yourself
04:43<hachi>I'm trying to (still) get an official mozilla thunderbird release to work, or the debian unstable release of icedove
04:43<hachi>anyone willing to help me fix that
04:43<hachi>no... suggesting mutt is not a fix
04:43<twb>hachi: define `work'
04:43<hachi>twb: it segfaults
04:43<twb>Did you strace it?
04:43<hachi>yes I did
04:43<twb>Did you look at the BTS database?
04:44<jm_>twb: hmm I see no debug options to figure out why that doesn't work
04:44<twb>bugs.d.o, I mean
04:44<hachi>I don't see how the BTS helps me get an official mozilla release working
04:44<padski>twb, jm_, thanks. fbset does the job.
04:45<jm_>serge: replace mac in that file with 00:00:6c:
04:45<jm_>serge: 00:00:6c:*
04:45<jm_>serge: and you can delete other eth2 eth3 references starting with that
04:47<hachi>only BTS report that seems related has to do with icedove 1.5
04:47<hachi>I'm trying to use 2.0
04:48<jm_>aptitude show also likes that, as does install, just not download
04:48<serge>jm_, thank you. I will try right now....
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04:51<hachi>strace shows it dying after a gettimeofday call
04:51<hachi>amazingly unhelpful
04:51<hachi>giving ltrace a go instead
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04:52<hachi>nevermind, /usr/bin/icedove is a shell script, can't ltrace that
04:52<jm_>why not?
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04:52<hachi>ltrace has to latch onto the ELF and dig out all the library pointers or whatever
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04:54<jm_>right, it actually tries to operate on the file itself
04:54<hachi>okay, now you've got me wondering why you asked ME
04:54<hachi>seems like you already knew
04:55<serge>im_: nice solution, thank you! I was half-way to disable embedded Eth and waste external one...
04:55<twb>The ways of jm_ are strange and unfathomable
04:56<serge>jm_: nice solution, thank you! I was half-way to disable embedded Eth and waste external one...
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04:56<jm_>hachi: actually I didn't, I went and checked it after I asked (stupid I know, I could have done it without bothering you)
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04:57<yujin>how to enable chinese pinyin when English is set as the defualt language when debian is installed,please?
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04:59<themill>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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05:00<hachi>grrrr, munmap this time just before SIGSEGV
05:01<hachi>icedove launches, and shows up fine
05:01<hachi>if I try to read an email, segv
05:03<yujin>themill,but i still want english as the defualt language. and it seems that the locales package has been marked(installed ) in synaptic package manager.
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05:04<twb>yujin: do you want a single user to have Chinese as the default language?
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05:05<yujin>themill, the only user of the comjputer is myself.yes.
05:05<yujin> themill, the only user of the computer is myself.yes
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05:05<yujin><twb>,the only user of the computer is myself.yes
05:06<themill>yujin: ahh... well first make sure that you have Chinese locale installed run this as root: dpkg-reconfigure locales
05:06<themill>yujin: do you want to change your user to Chinese permanently or just for one command?
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05:07<yujin>themill,i would like to change the language at will.
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05:09<themill>yujin: the default language you can set for your user in ~/.bashrc (export LANG=zh_(something... I'm not sure what!). To run an individual command in a particular language, use LANG=zh_blah command or LANG=C command
05:10<twb>...for China.
05:10<yujin>themill,twb, thanks,i will try
05:10<twb>For Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong you'd use SG, TW and HK respectively.
05:11<themill>yujin: in kde or gnome, you'll need to set the language somewhere else though.
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05:19<jahshua>hello everyone.
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06:03<radoo>hello all, i am new here!
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06:05<radoo>i am trying to get some info: i'm thinking about installing debian, and the question is: is it possible to have my nvidia 8800gtx graphic card installed on it? must also mention, i have no linux experience...
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06:05<jm_>radoo: yes
06:05<jm_>if you mean if it will work with debian
06:05<radoo>thank you for the quick answer :) second: is it very hard to do it?
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06:06<lupine_85>radoo: not particularly
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06:06<seanius>radoo: i would guess that you would either have to use the nv driver (which means no fancy 3d hardware accelleration) or a recent (>>stable) version of the proprietary driver
06:06<jm_>well current stable version has too old nvidia driver for 8800, but that's not hard to fix
06:06<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
06:06<dpkg>well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
06:06<lupine_85>pretty much covers it
06:07<radoo>yes, i meant that... i have trouble using elive because of that card
06:08<radoo>thank you again- unfortunatelly i didn't understand much :( what is one-liner?
06:08<lupine_85>as in, that single-liner command will install nVidia drivers for you
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06:08<radoo>or sarge?
06:08<jm_>it's a command written on a single line
06:09<lupine_85>old sarge is old
06:09<lupine_85>you want etch, really
06:09<radoo>ok!do i need something special-like some packages (what are those? anyway)
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06:10<lupine_85> the line dpkg gave you. you're installing nvidia-kernel-2.6-(your kernel version here), nvidia-settings, and nvidia-glx
06:10<radoo>i need a linux system mostly for the graphic and video aplications like cinelerra and cinepaint...
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06:11<radoo>you mean this: "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)? i have a dual intel processor on 64 bit- not amd...
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06:12<valdyn>radoo: that's the same architecture, amd64
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06:13<radoo>so, then i simply must write "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings install nvidia-glx-ia32. && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? not sure i get it right....
06:14<radoo>under elive i can't use any 3d acceleration...or change refresh rate...or anything and just want to make sure i won't have the same troubles with debian...
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06:17<radoo>is there any way to receive a complete customized debian installation kit- just for my needs?
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06:17<twb>Define `customized' and `kit'
06:18<themill>!custom cd
06:18<dpkg>i heard custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read | Also see |
06:18<radoo>well- i need several graphic and video apps, and i have a certain hardware- can i somehow get only that soft i need?
06:20<radoo>no , i meant, can i buy something like that?i am no programmer and i understand nothing from it...but i woud like to pay someone to do that for me: say, i need this and this and this, for this machine i have
06:21<twb>radoo: if you're incapable of doing it yourself (unlikely) or too busy, you can pay someone.
06:21<twb>But there is no "official" single vendor that you go to for a solution of that sort for Debian
06:21<radoo>ok!that i would do- how can i find a person to do it?
06:21<twb>Good question.
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06:21<twb>One place I'd look is the local Linux User Group
06:22<twb>I think there's a list of them on
06:22<radoo>thank you! i'll take a look
06:22<twb>And basically just say "hi, I want to pay someone to set up apps and hardware support under Debian, who should I talk to?"
06:23<radoo>another question: is it hard to install the internet connection on debian?
06:23<twb>If you use ethernet, it's very easy
06:23<radoo>i have a router
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06:23<twb>If you use wifi or USB ADSL, for example, it could be much harder
06:23<twb>radoo: ethernet is probably what you use
06:23<radoo>:( i have a adsl router
06:23<twb>radoo: the connector is clear and rectangular, and has 8 pins
06:24<twb>It's only a problem if the ADSL router is running Debian
06:24<twb>If you're just plugging a debian box into an ADSL router via ethernet, it's easy.
06:24<twb>If you download a Debian Live CD, you can try it and see how much works out-of-the-box without actually installing it
06:24<radoo>"If you're just plugging a debian box into an ADSL router via ethernet, it's easy."- what is a debian box?
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06:25<petemc>a computer running debian
06:25<twb>radoo: a box running Debian
06:25<twb>box = computer
06:25<radoo>:) ok
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06:25<twb>Debian can run on routers, too.
06:25<radoo>yes, the computer is conected with the adsl via this ok?
06:26<twb>Yes, that will probably not require any configuration at all
06:26<jahshua>well there are a few things to do ..
06:26<twb>LUGs organize regular "Installfests" where you can get on-the-spot help with setting up such things
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06:26<twb>It's very hard to do over the phone or IRC
06:26<radoo>is there something similar to the windows installer on linux?i mean, something that makes the job for you?say i want to install a software- i am preety clueless
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06:27<twb>jahshua: I'm assuming DHCP and the rest is already working.
06:27<gsimmons>radoo: The Debian website maintains a list of consultants <> that you might also be interested in.
06:27<twb>radoo: yes.
06:27<twb>gsimmons: ah, thanks.
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06:27<twb>radoo: the best way to find out is just to try it.
06:27<petemc>radoo: installing software on debian is a lot easier than any windows app
06:27<twb>radoo: particularly try the Live CD if you don't want to risk your existing OS
06:27<radoo>even with no linux knowledge?
06:27<twb>radoo: correct.
06:28<jahshua>radoo: installing new software on debian is about a 100 times easier than on windows.
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06:28<twb>jahshua: that's a bit qualitative
06:28<twb>Er *quantitative
06:28<radoo>that would be great- but i don't windows a double click on the installer makes the job- what is the linux-way?
06:28<twb>radoo: to install *anything* on Debian, you just say "aptitude install foo", where foo is the program name
06:28<twb>radoo: it works out the rest for you.
06:29<twb>There are GUI wrappers where you can click on icons, I think.
06:29<radoo>so, i want to install cinelerra- i simply right in the command prompt (?) "aptitude install cinelerra"
06:29<radoo>gui wrappers?
06:29<lupine_85>haha. I like that expression
06:29<lupine_85>radoo: synaptic, for instance
06:30<twb>As in, you right-click on an icon or text saying "cinellera" and then click "install" from the menu that pops up
06:30<radoo>synaptic? what is that?
06:30<twb>radoo: syntaptic is a GUI for installing stuff
06:30<jahshua>radoo: this is debian gn/linux not just 'linux' there are a lot of other distributions out there that use the linux kernel and the gnu tools and they are quite different to debian in many ways. debian uses apt or aptitude to install software, and its very easy to use.
06:30<twb>radoo: you know how in windows you have the "Add/Remove Programs" program?
06:30<radoo>comes that preinstalled with debian?
06:30<twb>radoo: well, sometimes
06:30<twb>radoo: but you can install it! aptitude install synaptic!
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06:31<jahshua>radoo: are you a current windows user who is considering moving to linux?
06:31<radoo>so, you mean debian isn't actually harder to manage and understand as windows- well, that would be great...cause i hate windows- even the 64 bit version sucks
06:32<twb>radoo: Debian does things differently.
06:32<jahshua>well, what are your main concerns or worries?
06:32<twb>radoo: I personally think it's much easier to use.
06:32[~]jahshua nods
06:32<radoo>my xsi crashes all the time- and isn't its fault- zbrush crashes, i lose time with it...
06:32<jahshua>me too
06:33<radoo>my concerns: that i woun't be able to do nothing... cause i won't understand a thing... cause i cwon't be able to change the refresh rate of my video card.. cause i won't be able to find my folders and things...well, all :)
06:34<jahshua>radoo: i was at the same stage as you once, most of us were, the best way to find out what its all about is to burn the .iso as an image onto a cd and boot your computer to the cd. :)
06:34<lupine_85>radoo: nvidia-settings and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for changing your graphics options
06:34<jahshua>its not as cryptic as you think it might be.
06:35<radoo>the problem is i don't have much time to invest in learnig it- and if i'm doing this, i must also invest some money in linux software verisions- and i'm afraid to do it and see it after all it was a mistake...
06:35<jahshua>linux is free.
06:36<radoo>yes, but xsi and zbrush aren't... photoshop too..and so on
06:36<jahshua>well, you are on the internet. :)
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06:36<radoo>on the contrary, they cost big money
06:36<radoo>what do you mean?
06:37<petemc>linux software versions of what?
06:37<radoo>my 3d and 2d graphic apps
06:38<petemc>if you're going to pay big money for the software, you're going to want to pay someone to make sure the systems work ok
06:38<petemc>so as you can use the software..
06:38<radoo>ususally the linux versions are a bit more expensive- but i would do that if i somehow have the guarantee everything will be....functional
06:38<foug>my taskbar doesn't flash when something changes in a window, like a new IM, how can i enable it?
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06:39<radoo>i already paid big money for soft- windows soft- and that's why i'm a bit afraid to make the change...
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06:40<petemc>does it not work now?
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06:40<radoo>and i tried a couple of boot cds- elive, grafpup- you know, the usual graphic oriented ones- none was capable-at least till now- even to recognise corectly my video card...
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06:41<lupine_85>they're not permitted to redistribute the nvidia driver
06:41<lupine_85>hence why it doesn't work
06:41<dvs>Exists a way of take away a gateway what ja exists? I type the command route del default gw but when reset the computer him round
06:42<lupine_85>dvs: you can put the command in your /etc/network/interfaces file
06:42<lupine_85>e.g. post-up route del default gw
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06:42<lupine_85>(under the correct entry, e.g. iface eth0 inet dhcp)
06:42<dvs>lupine_85, i find!!!!!
06:42<jm_>dvs: you could simply remove gateway line from the interfaces file
06:43<dvs> dns-nameservers
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06:43<lupine_85>jm_: if it's DHCP, that won't help one bit
06:43<jm_>lupine_85: yes, if
06:43<dvs>lupine_85, Believes what he may have been for account of about that!
06:44<lupine_85>dvs: not likely; dns-nameserver is different to gateway
06:44<dvs>look this
06:44<lupine_85>jm_: just about everyone uses dhcp these days :/
06:44<lupine_85>(even me, in places)
06:44<dvs> gateway
06:44[~]lupine_85 gets egg on face
06:44<lupine_85>yep, delete that
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06:47<twb>I even use DHCP for static links
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06:47<twb>It means I only have to configure the link on one end
06:48<twb>And to do that all I do is add an entry to /etc/ethers and tell dnsmasq to read-ethers.
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06:51<Mx|Debian>is there a tools under gnome to change the box hostname without corupting anything?
06:51<twb>Mx|Debian: sudo sensible-editor /etc/hostname
06:52<Mx|Debian>yeah im with pico editing hostname
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06:52<radoo>> is it possible to have debian and windows installed together?
06:52<Mx|Debian>but if i change it do i have to reboot?
06:52<Mx|Debian>radoo yes
06:52<radoo>hard to do?
06:52<njende>radoo: is possible
06:52<Mx|Debian>pretty easy too
06:52<Mx|Debian>not at all
06:52<Frolic>Mx|Debian, you can run /etc/init.d/
06:53<njende>radoo: easy to do
06:53<Frolic>after change de name in /etc/hostname
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06:54<radoo>ok, i'll do this: download debian, install it and try to reach this chanell from within it for further feedback...are you guys still here in 1 hour?
06:54<njende>someone will be here...
06:54<Mx|Debian>radoo, you just have to chose automated partitioning becaus i doubt you know how to partition stuff correctly and also you can chose the option to use freed space to install it
06:54<themill>there are always people around here or on freenode
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06:55<Mx|Debian>radoo, and at the end of the installation grub will install and you will have the choice to boot windows or debian with grub at the start of your machine
06:55<radoo>i can partition thing from windows- but i don't wanna lose my windows stuff also :)
06:55<Mx|Debian>you wont if you chose to auto partition freed space :)
06:56<radoo>"freed space"?
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06:56<Mx|Debian>free space that isnt used by windows
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06:56<radoo>i have 38 gb unallocated space on my first hd
06:56<Mx|Debian>mean it will use a sector of the hard drive that there is no file writen
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06:57<Mx|Debian>then debian will install on this
06:57<radoo>:) i kept that for a possible linux installation ;)
06:58<radoo>ok, thank you for your time and help :) see ya a bit later probably- now i'll start my debian experience :))
06:58<jahshua>radoo: good luck.
06:58<jahshua>radoo: msg
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06:59<radoo>what does this mean: "radoo: msg"?
06:59<radoo>sorry, i am also new on irc...:)
06:59<jahshua>you sent me a /msg look at that tab ..
06:59<jahshua>i replied..
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07:00<radoo>oh, i see :) sorry :)
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07:03<MrStei1>is there a log/archive of this channel ?
07:04<jahshua>i doubt it,
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07:06<JasonS>just the one the govt agents have jahshua ;)
07:07<jahshua>i wouldnt worry too much about them.
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07:09<JasonS>thats what the last guy said, always wondered where he went
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07:14<jahshua>the correct image for intel dual core 64 bit is this one?
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07:15<dani>is amd64
07:15<jahshua>oh yeh?
07:15<weasel>or i386, depending on if you want 32 or 64 bit.
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07:16<jahshua>so this one
07:16<Mx|Debian>hey guys, this question isnt linux based but i think there is many people that could have experienced what i did
07:16<Mx|Debian>my desktop yesterday after closing it, i went to boot it but it didnt want to boot anymore
07:16<Mx|Debian>my power buton only flash once then close
07:16<Mx|Debian>what could it be?
07:17<petemc>try holding the button in for 10 or 15 seconds
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07:17<Mx|Debian>my pc is gone for a checkup
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07:17<Mx|Debian>it started doing this lately
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07:20<themill>jahshua: on the core 2 duo, if you want dual 32bit processor then use the i386 (686) kernel, if you want 64 bit then use amd64.
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07:21<chealer>themill: he could use an amd64 kernel too
07:22<themill>chealer: ?
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07:23<radoo>hello again- just had a minor crash here
07:23<njende>like what?
07:23<chealer>themill: nobody "wants dual 32bit processor" with an x86-64. you could write "if you want a 32-bit userland then use i386 (with a amd64 kernel)"
07:24<radoo>chatzilla crashed...
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07:27<themill>chealer: I'm running my core 2 duo as a dual 32bit processor...
07:28<themill>chealer: it's actually fairly common to do so.
07:28<radoo>i was wondering, what is the best version fo my machine: dual core 2 duo also...64 bit
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07:29<themill>radoo: heh, we've just been discussing that.
07:29<radoo>i wasn't here...
07:29<lupine_85>generally easiest to just use i386
07:29<lupine_85>there's no desktop killer app for amd64 yet
07:30<radoo>so this one is false:
07:30<twb>Using a 64-bit process as 32-bit is what wankers who use proprietary binary-only code do
07:30<lupine_85>(I used amd64 for a year before getting bored of the hassle)
07:30<chealer>themill: I don't pretend the opposite, but nobody wants to do that.
07:30<themill>radoo: on the core 2 duo, if you want dual 32bit processor then use the i386 (686) kernel, if you want 64bit kernel and 32 bit userspace your can combine i386 with amd64-kernel or if you want 64 bit everything then use amd64.
07:30<twb>Because they have to to get their stupid libflash fix
07:31<twb>Also if they use, which is shit, too.
07:31<radoo>ok, thank you :)
07:32<themill>chealer: it's actually a really good way of doing it. I'm finding the dual processor improves the desktop responsiveness a lot over a single processor. Since I have neither TB of disk or memory, I don't need 64bit for anything.
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07:33<chealer>themill: of course, but your processor would also use its multithreading capability if it used an amd64 kernel.
07:33<radoo>what is gnome?
07:33<twb>themill: AMD64 code can use more registers
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07:33<MrStei1>chealer: Core2Duo has no multithreading
07:34<twb>themill: also, anytime you deal with math it's probably faster
07:34<MrStei1>twb: "probably faster" vs "some programs do not work for sure" , any easy choice for most people
07:34<twb>themill: and finally, you don't have to piss about making sure you're using architecture features introduced between the original i386 and today.
07:34<twb>MrStei1: shit programs
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07:35<MrStei1>twb: calling them shit does not change the fact that they work in 32bit and don't work in 64bit. Some people _use_ their PC, not play with bleading edge toys.
07:35<twb>MrStei1: emacs is not bleeding edge
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07:35<MrStei1>twb: your point being ?
07:36<MrStei1>yep, that tells everything ;-)
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07:37<twb>Anybody know how to test for the existence of a dbus session daemon? test -n "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" won't work if the daemon has been kill -9'd
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07:53<chealer>MrStei1: multiprocessing, anyway
07:54<chealer>radoo: see
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07:55<radoo>thank you
07:56<radoo>what are you using for desktop?
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07:56<chealer>radoo: several
07:57<radoo> can have more than one? which one is the most good looking? ok, the question is of course ambiguos as beeing a matter of taste, but you know what i mean
07:58<JasonS>radoo: all a matter of choice on that one
07:58<chealer>radoo: you can have more than one, but most importantly, each people in the channel can use something different.
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07:59<JasonS>and those that use the same one no doubt have it tweaked to thier liking
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08:00<radoo>how is enlightenment vs gnome? i tried elive and it looks good- too bad isn't working to well :(
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08:07<twb>radoo: e17 isn't in Debian yet.
08:08<twb>radoo: I think it's safe to say that e17 is well behind GNOME 2.20 in terms of features and robustness.
08:08<twb>Sorry, radoo: I think it's safe to say that e16 is well behind GNOME 2.20 in terms of features and robustness.
08:09<radoo>ok- does gnome come with debian? or i must download it separatelly?
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08:09<twb>That depends on which CD you get
08:09<Gast192>hey folks
08:09<twb>On the BBC CD, which is only 30MB, GNOME wouldn't fit.
08:09<twb>On the DVD (4.x GB), it's probably included.
08:10<Gast192>does anyone has an idea, why my debian etch always opens teh same 2 windows at startup?
08:10<twb>I personally think as long as you have broadband connection you might as well install from the BBC CD and then only download the packages you want.
08:10<Gast192>that after a proper shutdown
08:11<twb>If you only have a 56k dialup modem, obviously you'd be better off getting the DVDs from a friend, so you don't have to download anything.
08:11<twb>Gast192: what "windows"?
08:11<Gast192>browser windowx
08:11<twb>So you have X installed?
08:12<Gast192>is there any "restore windows" option or suchß
08:12<twb>What are these browser windows? Iceweasel?
08:12<twb>What URLs are they showing?
08:13<radoo>thank you for your time and help :) see you in an hour or so :)
08:13<Gast192>they show mounted drives (sda)
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08:13<ElJavo>i know there is possible to setting if you want to restore session after reboot or if you don't want to
08:13<twb>Gast192: what application is this?
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08:14<twb>Gast192: perhaps you mean *finder* windows -- i.e. nautilus/thunar?
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08:14<Gast192>i didn't remember the name - yeah - it's nautilus
08:14<twb>OK, that is a "feature"
08:15<twb>If you close them before you log out, I think it's supposed to remember you've closed them
08:15<twb>You might have to manually choose a "save session" function
08:15<Gast192>i closed and did a proper shutdown
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08:15<Depressure>this is offtopic, but anybody knows a good channel for just chatting?
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08:16<twb>Depressure: #haskell-offtopic?
08:16<Gast192>@twb - where can i do this?
08:16<twb>Gast192: I don't know, I don't use GNOME
08:16<Depressure>thanx =) getting bored u know =)
08:16<twb>Depressure: on freenode, of course.
08:16<twb>Make that #haskell-overflow
08:17<Depressure>thax twb
08:17<Einar>Hi. I'm kinda new to linux. I\m going to try Debian on my laptop and I\m wondering what type of install i should use. Which is the easiest to use for a beginner_
08:17<chealer>Einar: optical disk?
08:18<twb>Einar: what do you mean by `type of install'?
08:18<Einar>net, cd, minimal
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08:18<twb>Einar: it makes no difference
08:18<Depressure>if u have a good net conection the net inst is fine
08:18<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
08:19<twb>Probably the easiest for a Windows user is to use that wacky .exe
08:19<twb>It's at a URL like ""
08:21<Depressure>so it is importat to keep the language correct?
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08:21<Einar>Btw. I worried about the whole laptop compability thing. The laptop i have is documented on the linux on laptops site. But i have no idea what to do after ive installed debian to config it for the computer
08:21<Gast192>hmm - i just went through the gconf.editor - but i can't find anything like "save sessions" ?!
08:22<grummund>Hi, Etch version of flashplugin-nonfree won't install because md5 of the downloaded tar.gz does not match. What's the best solution?
08:22<twb>Depressure: we consider clarity of speech important.
08:22<twb>iv u torlk lik dis itz h4rd 2 ndrstand
08:23<twb>grummund: what exactly was the output? Pastebin it, please.
08:24<twb>Einar: you shouldn't have to do anything
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08:24<jm_>grummund: check BTS if there's a solution (it has been reported already)
08:24<jm_>you could simply update md5sum in the script
08:24<grummund>twb: it's a known problem. Adobe updated the tar.gz without renaming it.
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08:24<Einar>Huh? I mean drivers and such. And make evrything work fine. Like volume buttons, pcmcia, usb
08:24<twb>Fair enough.
08:24<twb>Einar: yes, what about them?
08:25<Einar>Well.. ive heard people can have problems with such things working correctly
08:25<themill>grummund: either grab the updated packge from or from
08:25<ElJavo>einar: everything is gonna be okey, debian recognizes all that stuffs :D
08:25<twb>Einar: and how old were the reports you read?
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08:26<twb> will probably have an article for your specific unit that will hold your hand the whole way
08:26<Depressure>twb: sorry then
08:26<twb>Depressure: no problem.
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08:27<dpkg>from memory, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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08:28<Einar>this is the link ive found usefull. But im not sure i understand evrything on the site.
08:30<Einar>I'll just give it a shot and see what happens
08:31<Einar>if i use the minimal cd, can i install the packages i want during the install or do i have to install them later on_
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08:33<Depressure>Einar: if you use the net installation cd u can install everything you want, but you will do it from the web and not the cd.
08:33<Einar>yes i know. But what I meant was will i be able to choose packages during the install_
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08:33<ra9ftm>ïûòàþñü ïîñòàâèòü ebox ÷åðåç apt, íî ÷òî-òî íåêîòîðûå ïàêåòû íå õî÷åò ñòàâèòü:
08:34<ra9ftm>apt-get install ebox-dns
08:34<ra9ftm>Ïàêåòû, èìåþùèå íåóäîâëåòâîð¸ííûå çàâèñèìîñòè:
08:34<ra9ftm> ebox-dns: Çàâèñèò: bind9 íî îí íå áóäåò óñòàíîâëåí
08:34<weasel>ra9ftm: english please.
08:34<ElJavo>you will be able to choose groups of packages, and after installation, you cand install more packages via apt-get or aptitude
08:34<ra9ftm>tfutfu, sorry
08:35<ra9ftm>i am trying to install ebox from apt
08:35<Einar>ok. thanks for the help. I'ts very apriciated :)
08:35<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
08:35<Depressure>Einar: yes, you do. the main difference of the net installation and the dvd for exsample is where the packages is located.
08:36<Einar>Btw. Is it hard to install i difrent WM later on?
08:36<Depressure>Einar: i recomend reading throug some of the installation documentation on
08:36<ra9ftm>But some packages can't be installed
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08:36<Einar>I will Depressure
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08:36<grummund>themill: backports did the trick. thank you. ;)
08:36<themill>grummund: np ;)
08:37<Depressure>Einar: good =) no, if you plan to use gnome instead of kde the switch is not hard.
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08:38<smhar>I have a computer I am installing debian into, but X does not start and it complains that it "could not open font 'fixed' "
08:38<Depressure>Einar: i have a thread about that topic on, let me get you a link...
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08:38<UrsoBranco>hi, someone could tell me where can I found some help on debian packaging ? I've already did a package, but some strange behavior occurs when I'm removing and reconfiguring it
08:38<koollman>smhar: are you sure that's the only error message ?
08:39<Depressure>Einar: this one might help you
08:39<koollman>smhar: X use 'EE' on the various errors line (and WW is usually informative too)
08:39<Einar>Ok. Ive tried Gnome, KDE and XFCE before. I attended to a linux class at school. But i didnt get very much out of it. Gnome and XFCE were very similar (Didnt bother to learn how to config them properly i guess) and KDE was to much candy :P)
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08:40<Depressure>Einar: no problem at all =)
08:40<smhar>koollman, there may be other errors buy this is the last line and it says: Fatal server error
08:40<koollman>smhar: the important error is usually the first one with EE
08:41<smhar>koollman, (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
08:41<koollman>well, that's a more useful error.
08:42<Einar>Btw. i have a PCMCIA WLAN card with a marvell chipset. I've heard that it doesnt have very good support for linux. Is there any way to come around this?
08:42<koollman>smhar: a bit of googling should help you now
08:42<twb>Einar: yes, don't buy evil hardware
08:42<twb>However, all wifi hardware is evil
08:42<koollman>twb: no
08:43<koollman>ralink chipsets are usually fine
08:43<twb>Because the FCC legally requires manufacturers to not make it easy to broadcast on reserved and military channels
08:43<twb>And source code would make it easy
08:43<Einar>Now that the evilness is already done. Is there any way to get it working or am i screwed?
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08:43<twb>Einar: well, you could install the `marvell' drive
08:43<twb>That works on gigabyte ethernet marvell yukon cards, at least.
08:44<Depressure>Einar: my workaround is named dlink DWL_810+
08:44<twb>Depressure: I strongly doubt that is any less evil.
08:45<Depressure>twb: i'm evil so there is no problem
08:45<mjk>How can I make device nodes in /dev created by mknod persistent, so that they are keept between reboots?
08:45<Einar>i have a Netgear WG511v2.. i just bought the cheapest card i found at the time and didnt bother to check for compability
08:45<smhar>koollman, thanks, currently I am trying to get X to start with vesa and then install the nv and then the nvidia drivers, maybe I should just go ahead and try th nvidia one
08:45<twb>mjk: don't install udev?
08:45<koollman>twb: evil wifi hardware ... hardware that try to murder people ... with evil radio waves :)
08:45<mjk>twb: Errr ... wrong answer. :-)
08:46<koollman>smhar: quite probably, yes
08:46<twb>smhar: only if you like evil
08:46<Depressure>the thing is that wi-fi hardly works on windows so how should it work on *nix?
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08:47<Einar>Will i ever be happy with a nix OS? Evrything seems so compöicated when you are an ignorant wondowz user :(
08:47<twb>Einar: no.
08:47<twb>AHS, ASS. QED.
08:47<smhar>twb, it is for a computer for my kid and the main goal is games, it is either this or install window$, so it is the lesser evil :-)
08:48<Einar>no as in i eill never be happy twb?
08:48<Depressure>Einar: you will be happy, don't worry =)
08:48<twb>smhar: less evil would be to give him a deck of cards
08:48<Einar>harr harr
08:48<Depressure>Einar: lots of things to learn, but...
08:48<Einar>now weres that lan cable
08:48<twb>Einar: computers are nothing but pain
08:48<Einar>true twb
08:48<smhar>twb, for a 3-4 years old?!
08:48<Depressure>twb: getting depressed now?
08:48<twb>smhar: sure
08:49<twb>smhar: they can have elmo on if you want
08:49<twb>Depressure: getting? No.
08:49<lupine_85>just set the kid down in front of rogue
08:49<lupine_85>problem solved
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08:50<Depressure>twb: been all the time?
08:50<twb>lupine_85: rogue isn't Free!
08:50<lupine_85>oh noes!
08:50<twb>Depressure: that is the logical inference.
08:50<twb>lupine_85: nethack
08:50<twb>lupine_85: it will train him to use screen.
08:50<lupine_85>well, that too
08:50<lupine_85>ultima 4 is free, but not Free, these days (though xu4 is good)
08:50<twb>And he can play it in Emacs when he gets older
08:51<lupine_85>A very suitable game for youngsters
08:51<petemc>lego star wars 4tw
08:51<lupine_85>hmm, 4yo... what's his reading/writing skills like?
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08:55<salman_>lupine_85, he is 3 going to 4, he can count from 1-10 in 2 languages, arabic and english and know half of the abc in both, but can only read and write a handful
08:55<gsimmons>Einar: Have you confirmed that your WG511v2 contains a Marvell chipset (eg. `lspci')? You might be lucky enough to have a Prism54 variant.
08:55<salman_>lupine_85, I should have spent more time with him
08:55<petemc>thats above average
08:55<Einar>if i remember it right all v2 have marvell
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08:55<Einar>its the v1 and v3 thats not so evil
08:56<twb>salman_: you say it like it's too late.
08:57<twb>There's still plenty of time to instill him with your own personal prejudices and stereotypes
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08:57<petemc>twb: you're a very negative person
08:57<petemc>i would question the value of that in a support channel
08:57<petemc>perhaps you should take it elsewhere
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08:57<salman_>twb, every day gone is gone, you can not bring that back and they learn much more in those years. but it doesn't mean I will not try to save what can be saved :-)
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08:58<petemc>negative, and touchy..
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09:00<Einar>i gotta go for now. thansk all
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09:02<fairch>hello? any here?
09:03<fairch>I'm new to this chat stuff...
09:03<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:04<fairch>OK. I am in the process of installing Debian onto an iBook.
09:04<JasonS>wow deja-vu
09:04<fairch>Hi JasonS! Thanks for your help yesterday!
09:04<fairch>Now, I have a new problem.
09:05<fairch>I'm at the point that I need to reconfigure by
09:05<fairch>running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
09:05<fairch>I can't log in the regular way, because in attempting to
09:05<fairch>fix the video problem, I ran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
09:05<fairch>and although I solved the video problem, I chose the
09:05<fairch>wrong keyboard, and now anything I type is totally screwed up.
09:06<fairch>So, I figured I can reboot using the installation CD, enter
09:06<fairch>the "rescue" mode, run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,
09:06<fairch>and choose the right keyboard. My problem is, when I get
09:06<fairch>to the sh-3.1# prompt, I type in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
09:06<fairch>and I get an error message that says: "Unknown terminal: bterm"
09:06<fairch>"Check the TERM environment variable". "Also make sure that the terminal
09:06<fairch>is defined in the terminfo database." I have no idea what to do
09:07<fairch>at this point.
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09:14<JasonS>ochoaj: i think you're lost
09:14<ochoaj>jijiji, me too
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09:15<ochoaj>how i can list the charnel?
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09:20<fairch>JasonS: Can you help?
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09:33<radoo>hi again
09:34<radoo>i tried installing debian- it didn't work :(
09:35<radoo>several things didn't work: i couldn't find any functional mirror (?) and then the computer hanged on by 5% of installation...
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09:36<gsimmons>radoo: How recent are your installation images?
09:36<gsimmons>!tell radoo -about 5% error
09:36<radoo>a half an hour i made the download
09:36<radoo>a half an hour ago i mean
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09:39<Depressure>how do i delete a file containing () and [] beloning to root?
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09:40<Lounge>can you do sudo in debian?
09:41<petemc>Depressure: mv -- n()me foo , rm foo
09:41<radoo>sorry, i don't understand
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09:41<JasonS>Lounge: yes
09:41<petemc>radoo: show a link to where you downloaded the image from?
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09:41<Lounge>i would say: sudo rm <name of root file>
09:41<radoo>i don't have the link anymore- somebody here gave it to me
09:42<radoo>this is the image 's name debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
09:42<petemc>well, go to , follow the links from there
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09:42<Depressure>petmc: i'm sorry but i dont understand the command you just wrote. can you plese explain some more?
09:42<Lounge>can you do sudo in mandriva too?
09:42<petemc>Depressure: you rename the file to foo, then rm foo
09:42<JasonS>Lounge: i would presume so yes
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09:43<Lounge>oh ok
09:43<Depressure>petmc: now were talkin! thanx, brb
09:43<petemc>Depressure: be sure to use --
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09:43<Lounge>for help? type: rm --help
09:44<petemc>to tell mv the next argument is a filenames
09:45<Depressure>petmc: heh, i still get "syntax error near unexpected token `('"
09:45<radoo>i had a problem also by telling the domain name-or so,ething similar- i don't even know what that is...
09:45<petemc>Depressure: whats the exact command you typed?
09:46<Depressure>petemc: "mv -- n Him - Venus Doom (2007) - Hard Rock [] me foo
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09:46<Lounge>type man mv
09:46<Depressure>petmc: its a folder, and by the goods, I hate pirated torrent!
09:47<petemc>just tab complete the name, it should be fine
09:47<petemc>bash should do the right thing
09:47<petemc>you dont even need the --
09:48<jahshua>Depressure: you want to delete the file?
09:48<jahshua>just do sudo rm -- filename
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09:48<petemc>Depressure: mv n\ <tab><tab>
09:48<petemc>does that not complete the name?
09:48<jahshua>Depressure: are you root right now?
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09:48<jahshua>oh wait
09:49<Depressure>petemc: wait a sec, have to try...
09:49<jahshua>Depressure: do this
09:49<jahshua>type rm -- "filename" but after you do the first letter or two of the file just hit the tab key and it will complete it for you. then just hit enter.
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09:50<jahshua>all these people with their complex tips.
09:50<petemc>i gave him the same advice you did
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09:51<Depressure>jahshua: progress =) but it is a folder
09:51<jahshua>make it
09:51<jahshua>rm -rf
09:51<Depressure>jahshua: sorry i did not make that clear
09:52<petemc>i would mv it first...
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09:52<jahshua>rm -rf -- "filename"
09:52<fairch>hello? I seemed to have gotten logged out for a time there. dpkg? JasonS?
09:52<jahshua>petemc: why?
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09:52<petemc>jahshua: he said the file belongs to root, i would be very wary of running rm -rf as root
09:53<Depressure>jahshua: works like H****! thank you!
09:53<Depressure>and you to petemc =)
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09:58<Depressure>petemc: what does the r in "-rf" do?
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09:59<Vakio>Depressure: -r, -R, --recursive remove directories and their contents recursively
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09:59<Depressure>Vakio: thanx there it was yes, was a little to quick on the man page there...
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10:00<fairch>Hi - Can someone help me with a installation problem?
10:02<H>fairch, dont ask to ask. just make your question. if anyone knows he will answer, if possible
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10:04<fairch>OK, got it. Actually, I just got word, I've got to go. I'll be back!
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10:10<arcil>hi. i want to enable the 3d hardware acceleration of my radeon 9800 with the fglrx drivers, so i downloaded the fglrx-drivers and the fglrx-kernel-src and created the kernel module with module-assistant (howto /usr/share/docs/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz) but i cant modprobe the fglrx module i get this error: can someone please help me out?
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10:15<sasha>arcil : did you used the one from a debian repository or did you downloaded it from amd site
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10:17<glederfein>this is my first time in an IRC.
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10:17<arcil>sasha: i downloaded nothing from the amd website
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10:18<arcil>i just used the non-free rep
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10:18<gsimmons>arcil: You may have have the dri and radeon modules currently loaded. Unload them ("modprobe -r dri radeon") then attempt a "modprobe fglrx".
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10:19<arcil>gsimmons: does not seem to work
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10:21<themill>!tell glederfein about ask
10:22<gsimmons>arcil: I'm sorry, that should have read "drm" (ie. "modprobe -r drm radeon").
10:22<arcil>gsimmons: FATAL: Module drm is in use.
10:23<gsimmons>arcil: You're not currently in X, are you?
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10:23<arcil>gsimmons: oh should i be on the terminal
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10:23<arcil>ok thank you i will try it
10:24<glederfein>Can someone please help me?
10:24<JasonS>!tell glederfein about ask
10:25<glederfein>I am trying to connect to a printer on my LAN which is running xp.
10:25<themill>glederfein: to start with: aptitude install cupsys smbclient
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10:25<glederfein>what is "ask"?
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10:26<petemc>to inquire
10:26<petemc>or enquire, i never know the difference
10:26<glederfein>omg! it wants to remove 46 packages!
10:26<petemc>(if there is one)
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10:26<glederfein>I usually use apt-get, does it matter?
10:27<lupine_85>apt-get is more sensible most of the time
10:27<lupine_85>aptitude can do all sorts of stupid stuff
10:27<themill>glederfein: aptitude is recommended these days, particularly for new installs
10:27<glederfein>the packages are installed.
10:27<glederfein>so should I let it remove 46 packages?
10:28<themill>lupine_85: seeing that one of the top questions on #debian is "how do I uninstall dependencies that were dragged in", aptitude's stupid stuff is actually quite handy ;)
10:28<themill>glederfein: no. it's a hassle to change from apt-get to aptitude, and that's one of the hassles/
10:28<lupine_85>aptitude is an extra character to type as well :/
10:28<lupine_85>apt-get is nice and short
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10:29<valdyn>lupine_85: and we all dont know tab completion
10:29<themill>lupine_85: with tab completion, aptitude is one characher shorted
10:29<dpkg>i heard aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>,
10:29<themill>glederfein: please keep it in the channel. /msg bots not people.
10:29<lupine_85>" Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude" - so if you're already using apt-get, stick with it
10:29<themill>glederfein: don't remove the packages using aptitude.
10:29<lupine_85>otherwise, all sorts of things are going to go missing
10:30<valdyn>switching once and for all is fine
10:30<valdyn>just permanent switching is ugly
10:30<glederfein>so what is the next step?
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10:30<themill>glederfein: load up your browser and go to http://localhost:631/
10:31<glederfein>what next?
10:32<themill>glederfein: hang on... we can only type so fast around here :)
10:32<themill>then "Add Printer", give it the name and description you want
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10:32<glederfein>lol, sorry
10:32<themill>glederfein: tell cups that it's a windows share (smb or samba) printer
10:33<themill>glederfein: and give it a URI that looks like smb://your_xp_machine/printer_name
10:33<themill>glederfein: that assumes that you've already told your windoze box to share the printer.
10:34<glederfein>your_xp_machine = internal ip address?
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10:35<themill>yes, that will work
10:35<glederfein>and how do I know the printer name?
10:35<themill>glederfein: you will have set it on the xp machine when you shared it.
10:35<JasonS>you pick that when you shared ti on xp
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10:36<themill>glederfein: if you want to check: smbclient -L //
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10:39<glederfein>the printer name is "Domain=[printer_name]"?
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10:40<themill>no, later in the list there should be lines for each disk or printer that is shared. You have shared the printer in XP, haven't you?
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10:47<glederfein>CUPS is showing me "Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds"
10:47<glederfein>Then it trys to print and is stuck at 3%...
10:47<glederfein>The smbclient output is: "Domain=[ATHEIST-A780524] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]"
10:47<glederfein>So that means that the name of the printer is ATHEIST-A780524?
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10:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
10:47<glederfein>sorry, do you mean this line: "Printer2 Printer EPSON Stylus CX3700 Series"?
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10:47<JasonS>glederfein: what did you name the printer share when you shared it?
10:47<themill>glederfein: yes... the name is Printer2
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10:48<glederfein>so the URI is: "smb://"?
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10:49<valdyn>glederfein: smbtree lists the printer url properly, just with backslash and without the smb
10:49<themill>looks pretty good to me
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10:51<themill>don't run smbtree on a large network though....
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10:53<glederfein>it worked! thanks a lot guys! U ROCK!
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11:04<Terminus>hello. i'm having problems doing a netinst of debian. it gives me an error message saying that "the specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror." all network settings check out, and the mirrors are reachable through a computer on the same network. any idea what's wrong?
11:04<Terminus>even doesn't work.
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11:05<lupine_85>can you ping the mirror from the installing machine?
11:06<petemc>theres no ping in busybox
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11:06<Terminus>yeah, no ping in busybox.
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11:07<Terminus>i've tried changing the NICs, still no problem.
11:07<Terminus>never had this problem before with sarge.
11:07<petemc>you're using a sarge installer?
11:08<Terminus>no, i'm using the etch installer.
11:08<themill>Terminus: is this the gigabit card you were having troubles with earlier?
11:08<Terminus>this box used to have sarge on it.
11:08<petemc>why didnt you dist-upgrade?
11:09<Terminus>themill: yeah. i used a different NIC and it worked for a bit.
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11:09<Terminus>petemc: thought i'd just start over since it was starting to get messy.
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11:10<themill>Terminus: do you know the name of the module that should be loaded to give support for that card? Either from sarge or otherwise.
11:11<Terminus>hmmm... i just found an old 3c905b-tx. maybe this one will work.
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11:11<Terminus>themill: can't remember the exact module. all i know is it's for the rtl8139 chip.
11:11<themill>8139cp or 8139too then
11:12<themill>but that's not a gigabit chip that I know of
11:13<Terminus>themill: i put a different NIC there and disabled the gigabit.
11:13<Terminus>the onboard gigabit is 3c940.
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11:22<Terminus>heh, this time it worked with the 3c905b-tx
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11:24<Terminus>anyway, thanks.
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11:25<sasha>hi is it normal that i get lot of weird network and synaptic and .... problems after i deleted all the linux kernel images except the ones i compiled myself
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11:36<jag_fred>Vill ni veta någonting kul?
11:36<jag_fred>Jag har aldrig använt Debian och behöver en hel del hjälp.
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11:36<jag_fred>Mer noob än mig går nog inte att få :D
11:37<Eulex>skulle föreslå på freenode
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11:37<Eulex>(den här kanalen är engelsk)
11:37<Metabaronen>har du gått igenom installationen?
11:38<Metabaronen>have done gone thru the installation? jag_fred
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11:39<jag_fred>Jupp. But that was a hard one. And I don't know if I have done it right.
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11:40<Metabaronen>have you any previus experiance with any unix like os ?
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11:41<goauld>can someone please, HOW can i specify pure-ftpd WICH PORT to listen?
11:41<jag_fred>Onlu this damed Windows that I start to hate.
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11:42<Eulex>goauld, have you taken a look in the config file of it and the documentation for the config file?
11:42<Metabaronen>I bet you will have grate use of google then jag_fred ;-)
11:42<goauld>i did, it talk about inetd and bla bla but nothing about specifieng a port in daemon mode
11:42<Eulex>goauld, if the daemon itself cannot do it, I believe inetd can do it
11:43<Eulex>that is, re-route it to a different port through inetd. I'm not sure how you do it (I've never done it) but I believe it can be done
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11:44<fxiny>xinetd can do it for sure
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11:45<goauld>i will uninstall stupid inetd (whats the purpose of this shit anyway?) replace it with xinetd coz all ftpd programs are stupid
11:46<Eulex>a program isn't smarter than its user ;)
11:46<fxiny>Eulex: :)
11:46<JasonS>Eulex: want to bet :)
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11:46<rindolf>Hi all.
11:47<rindolf>Has anyone seen Bastian Kleineidam (calvin) here?
11:47<goauld>it should provide a single /etc/proftp.conf file with all options available
11:47<rindolf>Does anyone know his IM?
11:47<goauld>none proftp wuftp or ftp does that simple task
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11:48<themill>dondelelcaro: dpkg bot here seems fine, but it's pretty laggy on freenode today.
11:48<fxiny>goauld: check vsftpd
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11:55<pk>hi. when i make "DNAT --to-destination" with iptables i can redirect packets only to local IP's, does anyone know how to enable redirecting to non-local IP's ?
11:55<evaristodebian>Hola, tengo gnome alguien sabe en "network:///" como se hace para ver las maquinas nfs?
11:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:55<evaristodebian>ok, gracias
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12:07<plugwash>is there any way to see all cron jobs no matter who owns them?
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12:09<Metabaronen>goauld: find "port" on page...
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12:14<fxiny>plugwash: can you su ?
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12:16<plugwash>fxiny, i'm already root
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12:16<fxiny>so check /etc and /var/spool/cron/
12:17<panagos>when i start rosegarden up, i get the message "System timer resolution is too low". what should i do?
12:17<fxiny>crontabs are down /var/spool/cron/
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12:25<lucca>I recently (yesterday) started seeing apt-get update failures like "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
12:25<Eulex>!dynamic mmap
12:25<dpkg>dynamic mmap is probably "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
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12:28<Eulex>... on another note, my needed Cache-limit reached 25000000 the other day... but I'm a little extreme, I have apt sources for oldstable, stable, testing and unstable.
12:28<panagos>what packages do i need to install the kernlen source code? for version 2.6.21
12:28<panagos>what packages do i need to install the kernel source code? for version 2.6.21
12:29<lupine_85>erm, linux-source-2.6.21 rather
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12:29<plugwash>Eulex, any particular reason why?
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12:30<guillaume>when libgtk2.0-bin >=2.12.0 and libwnck22 >=2.19.5 will be available under lenny branch ???
12:30<Eulex>plugwash, to be able to look up what version of software are in different releases quickly.
12:30<plugwash>ahh ok that makes sense
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12:33<EmleyMoor>Is it just me or are DVD+RWs a complete waste of time?
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12:38<fxiny>dvd ? anytime or just under a cherry moon ?
12:39<EmleyMoor>I mean I've replaced drive, controller and media and I am still getting the same old rubbish!
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12:39<EmleyMoor>Could it be that I'd be better with DVD-RW?
12:39<panagos>if i want to install the official nvidia driver, do i need any of the debian packages for nvidia?
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12:40<fxiny>what's the rubbish ?
12:40<Eulex>panagos, it's recommended to install them the debian way.
12:40<Eulex>!nvidia one-liner
12:40<dpkg>[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
12:40<EmleyMoor>Can't fully format, for a start
12:40<panagos>Eulex: the problem is that the debian drivers are pretty outdated :(
12:40<fxiny>are you using k3b ?
12:41<EmleyMoor>fxiny: No - though I am tempted to try anything
12:41<fxiny>iirc some gnome apps gives that no format thing
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12:41<EmleyMoor>This is a command line app
12:41<panagos>Eulex: so, do i need any of debian's packages, of does the nvidia driver take care of it all?
12:42<Eulex>panagos, it takes care of it all. do you need the new drivers?
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12:42<panagos>Eulex: from what i remember, compiz needs them
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12:43<Eulex>panagos, ok
12:43<Eulex>but who needs compiz? ;)
12:43<fxiny>not me
12:44<panagos>i would for one like to have that potential :) even if in the end i don't use it
12:45<tubby>does anyone know how to update /dev/disk/by-uuid/ to reflect recent repartitioning? I am interested in updating it so that I can repartition and mount usb flash in a script (without unplugging it).
12:46<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i wouldn'n mind to check but i can't find any dvd-rw in *my* rubbish to test your "esoteric" cli :)
12:46<EmleyMoor>I'm tempted to buy a small pack of DVD-RWs and see if they work any better than +RWs
12:46<Eulex>tubby, I believe that's supposed to update in realtime.
12:46<EmleyMoor>It's not "esoteric" - it's dvd+rw-format
12:46<panagos>how much has compiz gotten better in debian? last time i tried to install it, i needed to hack into the xorg.conf file and tweak it. plus it didn't work quite well with kde...
12:46<lupine_85>any non-crap DVD burner works equally well with + or - DVDRs
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12:47<EmleyMoor>If it's meant to get to 90+random% and die, so be it - it doesn't count as "empty" once done and there doesn't seem to be a way to make one "empty"
12:47<tubby>Eulex: that's was my guess too (because /dev/sdb{1,2} update)
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12:48<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: ... with non-crap software
12:48<ameyer>EmleyMoor: *RW tends to b a waste of time in my experience
12:48<lupine_85>the software has very little to do with it
12:48<tubby>however; the vol_id output for the partition in question is not included in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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12:48<lupine_85>make sure you have buffer underrun protection
12:48<ameyer>the software probably could matter, but only if the software's broken badly
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12:49<EmleyMoor>I do - but that's not the problem
12:49<Eulex>tubby, that's odd. I've got an usb hdd that I added after booting and it has entries in there.
12:49<EmleyMoor>Eithe the software or the specification is broken badly
12:49<lupine_85>k3b burns my DVD+RWs fine, incidentally
12:49<EmleyMoor>Can it burn from image files made by cdbackup?
12:50<lupine_85>you forgot to implicate the quality and condition of the discs and hardware, incidentally
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12:50<lupine_85>cdbackup makes... what? ISOs?
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12:50<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: No - its own format
12:50<lupine_85>which is...?
12:50<tubby>The procedure I'm hoping for: (1) plug in flash drive (2) repartition flash drive (3) format flash partitions (4) mount partitions (5) [misc] (6) remove flash drive
12:50<EmleyMoor>Multi-track images
12:51<lupine_85>with extension(s)...
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12:51<EmleyMoor>cdbackup image files with no extension on the first and .2 on the second &C.
12:51<fxiny>what file cdbackup.iso say ?
12:51<lupine_85>hmm. there's a cdrestore application
12:51<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: Yes - that's the other half of the pair
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12:53<tubby>Eulex: (by-uuid/ is repopulated when I reinsert the flash drive)
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12:54<panagos>can somebody please help me fing gcc-4.2-base version 4.2-20070712-1 ?
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12:55<EmleyMoor>The image files are just "data"
12:55<tubby>I'm curious whether there is a /proc signal that I could send to force it to re-check devices
12:55<panagos>can somebody please help me find pacakge gcc-4.2-base version 4.2-20070712-1 ? i can't find it anywhere!
12:55<ra9ftm>Can anyone help me with samba+openldap? I am installing it under this how-to:
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12:56<ra9ftm>But the problem is that I have not file /usr/share/phpldapadmin/templates/template_config.php in my system
12:56<lupine_85>panagos: sounds like a development snapshot to me
12:56<lupine_85>sid currently has version 4.2.1-5
12:57<panagos>lupine_85: i have some packages that depend specifically from it (and i want to install them!)
12:57<EmleyMoor>So, what I am looking to write to these DVDs are basically raw ddata files
12:57<ra9ftm>I installed and tune libnss-ldap, but 'getent group' doesn't gives me groups from openldap.....
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12:58<lupine_85>panagos: you'll probably need to check out that particular version of gcc and use that, then
12:58<lupine_85>(as in, the source, and build it)
12:58<fxiny>panagos: have you checked ?
12:59<fxiny>panagos: is over there
12:59<panagos>fxiny: no, i'll check it out :)
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12:59<kingsley>Has an optimization solver for oocalc been packaged for debian?
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13:00<Eulex>tubby, sorry, no idea. I guess you could monitor the directory through inotify.
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13:01<tubby>[quick google] do I need to write some C in order to use that functionality?
13:03<panagos>plugwash: thanks a lot :D
13:03<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Can k3b write arbitrary "data" images to DVDs?
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13:05<ech>hi all
13:05<ech> i installed windows xp on top of linux ... any way to recover linux boot sector again?
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13:06<EmleyMoor>ech: I would have thought a rescue boot (from CD/DVD) and then reinstall your bootloader... but YMMV
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13:07<ech>EmleyMoor you mean i should load from my installation CD and then type lilo?
13:07<lupine_85>EmleyMoor: not without it knowing the format, it can't
13:07<ech>or grub / whatever bootloader i have ?
13:07<fxiny>EmleyMoor: say you have some daa files , file will tell you they are data but you can convert 'em as iso and burn them .
13:07<lupine_85>"raw data" could mean any one of a vast number of things
13:07<EmleyMoor>ech: Follow the procedure for the relevant bootloader
13:07<ra9ftm>ech: I guess, you can simply reinstall linux, or try to go via shell and reinstall grub (lilo)...
13:08<EmleyMoor>lupine: They are image files made by the cdbackup program. They need to be basically just plonked there... not made into iso
13:08<ech>when i load linux thoughy the installation cd it says that the system irs read only
13:08<fxiny>EmleyMoor: so , this data are useless now and after you burn 'em , imho
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13:08<EmleyMoor>ech: You have to rescue
13:09<EmleyMoor>fxiny: cdrestore is for using them afterwards
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13:09<ech>EmleyMoor what do u mean ?
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13:10<EmleyMoor>ech: At the CD's boot prompt, type rescue root=whatever your root partition's device is
13:10<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i see now : i think i'll have a go with cdbackup . i'm not into it
13:10<EmleyMoor>It doesn't seem too good for DVD+RW but the author has advised me of some workarounds
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13:11<ech>ok thanks EmleyMoor i will try that
13:11<ech>but is there anyway to know my linux root partition device
13:11<lupine_85>EmleyMoor: there still could be an awful number of ways to save the raw data
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13:12<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: It just needs to be plonked
13:13<lupine_85>does it include sub-channel encoding?
13:13<EmleyMoor>Almost certainly not
13:13<lupine_85>there is going to be at least some interpretive work to be done on the data
13:14<EmleyMoor>It's already interpreted
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13:15<lupine_85>so the data format lays out the exact physical position of every pit on the disc in an unambiguous format?
13:15<lupine_85>that's a neat trick
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13:17<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: The image just needs to be written as a plain data track as though it was an iso, as far as I can tell
13:18<EmleyMoor>(I say as though it was because it's not)
13:18<lupine_85>then rename it to .iso if that's the case
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13:18<lupine_85>you can't get k3b to write a format it doesn't understand
13:18<plugwash>does anyone know where in the gtk+ source tree I can find the source for gtk-update-icon-cache?
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13:18<lupine_85>well, you can, but it involves writing an input plugin IIRC
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13:20<EmleyMoor>This looks like a non-starter anyway - even when written with wodim, there's a "Seek failed: invalid argument" when I use cdrestore to query it
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13:20<lupine_85>out of curiosity, what DVD are you trying to backup?
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13:21<EmleyMoor>It is not a DVD I am trying to back up. It is to DVD that I am trying to back up the data off my various systems
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13:22<lupine_85>you're not, by some strange freak of nature, trying to burn > 4.4GiB to a 4.4GiB DVD are you?
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13:22<lupine_85>also, if you're doing backups, why not just cut out cdbackup/cdrestore completely and just use iso files?
13:22<EmleyMoor>No. I am trying to burn < 4.4GiB
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13:23<lupine_85>you can autogen an iso and pass it to cdrecord to burn fairly trivially; or use k3b
13:23<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: Because it's supposed to automate all the splitting for it...
13:23<EmleyMoor>I would have manual splitting to do if I was working otherwise.
13:23<EmleyMoor>I am contacting the author for more advice.
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13:26<fairch>I'm trying to install Debian on an iBook, and I have a problem...
13:27<fairch>I had a video problem, which I solved with the kind help of JasonS
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13:28<fairch>and nox123 by running dpkg-reconfigure. However, in the process, I chose
13:28<fairch>the wrong keyboard, and now when I try to log in, what I type is totally garbled.
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13:29<EmleyMoor>What is the size of a block in an iso?
13:30<EmleyMoor>(2K or is it less?)
13:30<fairch>So, I need to redo the reconfigure, but I need to get around this keyboard problem.
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13:33<fairch>I'm quite new to Linux, and don't know much basic command syntax.
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13:34<lupine_85>EmleyMoor: depends
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13:34<fairch>Could someone help?
13:35<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: On what?
13:36<lupine_85>the cdrom mode. could be 2048, 2352, 2336,
13:36<EmleyMoor>OK - what's "standard and typical"?
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13:36<lupine_85>2048 or 2352
13:37<EmleyMoor>Under what circumstances is it which of those figures?
13:37<lupine_85>the latter is with EDC/ECC codes
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13:40<lupine_85>hmm. DVD may be 2048 bytes only
13:40<EmleyMoor>That's what I'm working on anyway
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13:52<Azx>how to tell dhcp not to update name server entries
13:52<Azx>dhcp client
13:52<fairch>Hi, I need help with the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command?
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14:02<chealer>fairch: what do you mean?
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14:03<fairch>I want to run this command after having booted from the installer CD
14:03<fairch>and choosing the rescue mode, but when I try to do it, I get an error message.
14:04<fairch>something about the terminal not recognizing "bterm" (?)
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14:06<sts>hello folks. where can i find informations about packaging web applications?
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Is there a maximum size permitted in a single file on isofs?
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14:12<fairch>I need help on a Rescue operation...
14:13<dli>fairch, can you ctl-alt-f2?
14:17[~]gcosmin he'ya
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14:32<nos>jemand da?
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14:37<moep>i've some problems for updating my kernel from 2.6.20 to or .9
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14:38<moep>if i download a file via ftp i looks like that all will be cached, then next part downloaded and then caching again
14:38<moep>the load is at 4. under 2.6.20 it was at 1.5 - 2.0
14:39<moep>i build the config with make oldconfig and didnt changed anything
14:40<moep>someone have any ideas what should i change that it works?
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14:40<moep>its btw a AMD64 machine
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14:53[~]dkr always enjoys the almost palindrome of Spanish and Hawaiian hellos.
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14:55<moep>hi oberon
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15:02<moep>i've some problems for updating my kernel from 2.6.20 to
15:02<moep>or .9 if i download a file via ftp i looks like that all will be cached, then next part downloaded and then caching again the load is at 4. under 2.6.20 it was at 1.5 - 2.0 i build the config with make oldconfig and didnt changed anything
15:02<moep>someone have any ideas what should i change that it works?
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15:05<s[exe]>i'm using a dell XPS m1330. I've been told my sound card isn't supported until alsa 1.0.15rc1, so I'm installing that. The lib and modules and utils all seem to build correctly, and the modules insert into the kernel. Alsamixer says: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. However, I do have devices in /dev/snd/ (as created by the alsa snddevices script). What am I doing wrong?
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15:08<EmleyMoor>Well, this is fun (!)
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15:46<lupine_85>Welcome to 3 voicemail services
15:46<lupine_85>you have: 0 new messags
15:47<Supaplex>your voicemail is full. Please delete some or all of the 4820 messages in your archive.
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16:01<foug>my debian runs kind of choppy, any ideas on how i can improve performance? My system monitor doesn't show anything taking up my RAM or cpu
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16:02<TLF>hi all, may I ask: it's possible for apt-get to force a package installation?
16:02<TLF>(this is, to ignore dependencies of a package)
16:04<JasonS>TLF: sure but why? good why to break things
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16:05<TLF>yeah, I know :)
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16:10<TLF>so, how?
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16:15<christoph> hello i have an asus board a8vxe and skype installes but the sound card dosen't worl
16:15<christoph>äh work , any idea?
16:16<Supaplex>bribe it
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16:16<Supaplex>does sound work with other apps/utils/etc?
16:17<christoph>no sound doesent work anyway
16:18<Supaplex>then it's not a skype issue.
16:18<dpkg>hmm... alsa is or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install>
16:18<Supaplex>!tell christoph -about alsa-checklist
16:18<Supaplex>!tell christoph -about alsa install
16:18[~]Supaplex heads off to dominos
16:18<Supaplex>sweet, -> email offers -> use promocode "click" == free 1 topping medium pizza - mmmmmm yumm
16:19<christoph>ok thx
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16:19<Supaplex>if it were a skype only issue, our help is limited (I doubt it has a package that debian manages directly)
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16:21<Supaplex>!nickometer S|-|adow_h
16:21<dpkg>'S|-|adow_h' is 99.730% lame, supaplex
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16:36<Nyle>I love gorguts
16:36<JasonS>ok ill ask, what the heck is a gorgut?
16:36<foug>dude, fuck yes
16:36<jahshua>!nickometer jahshua
16:36<dpkg>'jahshua' is 0.000% lame, jahshua
16:36<foug>from wisdom to hate
16:36<foug>is one of the best albums ever dude
16:36<Nyle>holy crap
16:36<Nyle>I joined the wrong channel
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16:36<Nyle>I thought I did alt+5 but i did 4 instead and umm blathered in debian
16:36<foug>lol nyle, what channel were you gonna join?
16:36<jahshua>!nickometer Supaplex
16:36<dpkg>'Supaplex' is 0.000% lame, jahshua
16:37<Nyle>alt+5 is freenode/#music
16:37<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
16:37<foug>ahh, gorguts \m/
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16:37<foug>who else do you listen to?
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16:37<Nyle>foug: join me on in #music
16:37<Nyle>lots of musicians and offtopic people there
16:37<EmleyMoor>!nickometer 5O0p4Pl3X
16:38<dpkg>'5O0p4Pl3X' is 68.000% lame, emleymoor
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16:41<ben_goodger>!nickometer bengoodger
16:41<dpkg>'bengoodger' is 0.000% lame, ben_goodger
16:41<lupine_85>wha? how does it calculate that?
16:41<lupine_85>I am, apparently, 28% lane
16:41<ben_goodger>you have an underscore and some numbers
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16:42<ben_goodger>ben_goodger is more lame
16:42<lupine_85>!nickometer ubuntu
16:42<dpkg>'ubuntu' is 0.000% lame, lupine_85
16:42<lupine_85>there we have it
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16:45<aricz>!nickometer aricz
16:45<dpkg>'aricz' is 0.000% lame, aricz
16:45<lupine_85>!nickometer !!++_45lol
16:45<dpkg>'!!++_45lol' is 99.9334% lame, lupine_85
16:45<aricz>!nickometer aRiCz
16:46<dpkg>'aRiCz' is 14.000% lame, aricz
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16:50<jahshua>!nickometer SupApLeX
16:50<dpkg>'SupApLeX' is 18.000% lame, jahshua
16:50<seanius>wtf is goin on
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16:51<azeem>seanius: if you feel the bots are being misused, and people don't stop after you told them about it, you can notify the ops via the !ops <reason> command
16:52<seanius>azeem: i don't really care as long as it's not distracting someone from actual topic-related stuff
16:52<seanius>i'm just wondering, wtf
16:53<azeem>jahshua: please /msg the bot
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17:00<widrone>Any good ways to push a usb flashstick to the verge of panick? I got a stick I think may be hiding some errors, nothing I need on it so I can be destructible.
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17:01<widrone>Running "badblocks -wvs" on it now, so maybe that will throw something up.
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17:02<moep>i've some problems for updating my kernel from 2.6.20 to
17:02<moep>or .9 if i download a file via ftp i looks like that all will be cached, then next part downloaded and then caching again the load is at 4. under 2.6.20 it was at 1.5 - 2.0 i build the config with make oldconfig and didnt changed anything
17:03<moep>someone have any ideas what should i change that it works?
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17:03<EmleyMoor>moep: Are you using a custom kernel or a stock kernel?
17:04<moep>i downloaded the sources from
17:05<EmleyMoor>moep: So highly custom then - I've never heard of your problem before. I tend to run stock kernels these days but have run custom in the past
17:05<moep>and created the new .config with my old config and 'make oldconfig'
17:05<EmleyMoor>moep: It sounds like it could be a networking drivers problem.
17:06<moep>EmleyMoor: no network works fine i got no problems, only the load is very high and i have no packetlosts
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17:08<moep>EmleyMoor: and i didnt change anything in my .config file. only generic time and DMA ZONE is new
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17:09<foug>how can i uninstall pidgin? I am having trouble enabling "keyboard/mouse movement detection" for idle time reporting, I have installed xscreensaver and recompiled
17:10<dli>foug, how did you install it?
17:10<foug> ./configure make make install
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17:11<moep>EmleyMoor: do u have an idea what can i do? cause it sucks, cant work atm :/
17:11<dli>foug, can you "make uninstall"?
17:11<dli>foug, but you'd better backport
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17:11<foug>ehh? i tried apt-get remove ;x
17:12<dli>foug, no, apt doesn't know it, if you make install
17:12<EmleyMoor>foug: If you did it locally, apt won't work
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17:12<EmleyMoor>moep: Tried stock kernel?
17:13<moep>EmleyMoor: is there a kernel avaible?
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17:13<EmleyMoor>moep: Do you need that specific version?
17:13<dli>moep, config problem?
17:14<moep>EmleyMoor: i need AMD64 version
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17:14<moep>dli: dont know... new kernel and some problems
17:14<dli>!tell moep about doesn't work
17:14<EmleyMoor>But do you need
17:14<moep>could be a config problem with _new_ sections
17:15<dli>moep, did you "make oldconfig"?
17:15<moep>dli: yes
17:15<EmleyMoor>moep: Could also be a breakage in something ancient
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17:16<moep>dli: didnt work means: download via ftp is sometimes very slow, looks like first caching, then writing, downloading new files, caching... etc
17:16<moep>and the load is at 4.0
17:16<moep>normaly is 1-5 - 2.0
17:17<dli>moep, that's probably not a kernel issue, find out what are running
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17:17<moep>dli: if i start the 2.6.20 kernel all works fine :/
17:18<dli>moep, you have intel 965 mobo?
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17:18<moep>and my harddisk is mounted with 'mount -o sync'
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17:20<dli>moep, I guess you would like data=journal, instead of sync
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17:21<foug>dli, what's backpiort? just unstainlled and reinstalled, bout to see if it works the way i want it too
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17:21<moep>dli: i dont know what u mean. I use etx3 and /dev/mapper/public on /mnt/public type ext3 (rw,sync)
17:22<EmleyMoor>foug: A backport is a package from testing or unstable rebuilt for stable
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17:27<dli>!tell foug about backport
17:28<moep>dli: what can i try now?
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17:28<dli>foug, pidgin in unstable, so you can try backport
17:28<moep>or apt-get pinning
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17:33<moozer>What is the advantage of Pidgin over the older Gaim?
17:34<dli>moozer, gaim is pidgin now
17:34<moozer>Ah it's awhile since i use either I'm lazy and use Meebo now
17:35[~]EmleyMoor has a Jabber server with transports and uses psi
17:35<moozer>The site I mean. I'm a new Linux user but I haven't used any IM even on Win for while now.
17:35<moep>dli: sorry but do u have any ideas?
17:35<moep>EmleyMoor: dito :)
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17:37<mikkie>need help
17:37<mikkie>is there someone?
17:37<moep>no someone is away :P
17:37<EmleyMoor>!tell mikkie about ask
17:38<mikkie>I have a problem with
17:38<mikkie>running debian / apache
17:38<mikkie>The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /formmail/
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17:39<mikkie>someone an idea?
17:40<dli>mikkie, sounds like cgi-bin permission problem to me, check error_log, and ask in #apache also
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17:42<moep>dli: do u have any idea, where i can ask, too?
17:42<dli>!tell moep about doesn't work
17:43<moep>dli: i wrote it sone lines up...
17:43<moozer><moep> I saw what looked like a good help page on Pinning.
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17:44<moozer>Maybe I ought to stick with stable for the while though
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17:44<moep>00:16 < moep> dli: didnt work means: download via ftp is sometimes very slow, looks like first caching, then writing, downloading new files, caching... etc
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17:44<moozer>Do these mirrors vary a lot in speed then?
17:45<moozer>I was really impressed with the speed I got when I was setting up
17:45<dli>moep, you have to provide specific relevant info to help others to help you. what you are reporting is still "doesn't work"
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17:47<moep>dli: what do u wanna know? its an AMD64 system and its only very slow, if i download something or write with cat /dev/zero > file on hdd
17:47<moep>the hdd are sata disks
17:48<EmleyMoor>Do you really need
17:48<moozer>Back later
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17:48<dli>moep, pastebin, uname -a, top, dmesg
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17:49<moep>EmleyMoor: not really i wanna fix the new bug in x64 systems
17:49<moep>dli: k wait...
17:49<EmleyMoor>Ah, you're one up on me there
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17:52<moep>dli: there is dmesg, top and uname -a
17:53<moep>EmleyMoor: i tested and .9 but i think the bug is fixed in .7
17:53<dli>moep, it's .8, so not .9
17:53<EmleyMoor>moep: Are you sure it's not fixed in 2.6.21?
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17:54<moep>dli: i tested .9, too
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17:54<moep>EmleyMoor: i think it was 2.6.22-7
17:55<dli>moep, loadavg is 0.0, you said high
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17:55<dli>moep, do "hdparm " tests, like "hdparm -tT", for hard drive, and bonnie++ also
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17:56<moep>dli: hdparm doesnt work i have only one ata hdd (yes dma is on) the rest are sata...
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17:56<dli>moep, hdparm tests work on sata
17:57<error3>does anybody have a workaround for old #376406 ?
17:57<error3>I've seen on a website that perhaps compiling kernel with CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY=y could resolve this...
17:59<moep>dli: hdparm:
17:59<dli>moep, do bonnie++
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18:01<moep>dli: what kind of parameters should i use?
18:02<dli>moep, I think you need -d (dir) -u (uid)
18:03<dli>moep, I don't see any problem at kernel level yet, it's your fs problem, try fsck -f
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18:06<moep>dli: i'm running fsck -t ext3 always when i'm mounting the hdd
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18:07<moep>bonnie++ is atm running
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18:08<moep>dli: <- the output from bonnie++
18:10<dli>moep, no problem up to now
18:11<moep>now checking with fsck -f?
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18:14<dli>moep, doesn't hurt, but no problem here. you never located your problem specifically
18:15<moep>how can i specifically my problem :/ i only see it all the time...
18:17<dli>moep, no problem at the kernel level(hardware), based on dmesg/hdparm
18:17<dli>moep, no problem at fs level, bonnie++
18:17<dli>moep, you have to troubleshoot your user application
18:18<moep>i use mc btw
18:18<dli>moep, you mentioned ftp, maybe network level, arping, ping, iptables
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18:19<moep>i tested from more then one ftps in the same network
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18:19<moep>(network > 2000 pc)
18:20<lottez>I'm trying to troubleshoot xorg and screen modes; anyone available for some help?
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18:21<dli>lottez, what video card :( with proper video driver, there's not much to troubleshoot
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18:22<error3>lottez: which xorg version ?
18:22<moep>thx dli for help
18:23<lottez>just a sec...
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18:25<lottez>geforce quadro AGP FX3500; should be supported by xorg.
18:25<lottez>xorg version 7.1
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18:26<dli>lottez, are you using nv driver? or nvidia?
18:26<error3>or nouveau ? ;)
18:27<dli>lottez, I'm afraid you have to use nvidia then, if nv breaks down
18:27<dli>lottez, nvidia is still a pain, but usually better than amd(ati) cards
18:27<error3>lottez: I've you have recent Xorg, have you tried without xorg.conf ?
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18:27<error3>xorg autodetection could make it work...
18:27<error3>who knows...
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18:29<lottez>Auto detection didn't work...
18:29<error3>oh :-/
18:29<error3>xdebconfigurator ?
18:29<error3>or perhaps like says dli you should try nvidia... but it's non-free :-/
18:30<error3>hi viper1001
18:30<lottez>is that available in the debian repositories
18:30<error3>lottez: what nvidia ?
18:30<error3>yes in non-free
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18:30<viper1001>someone know how havin access to ssh or 443 port?
18:30<dli>lottez, usually it's not a conf problem:( nv driver really sucks, that's why people are making nouveau, still avoid nvidia/ati, buy intel graphics instead
18:31<error3>simply configure your sshd to use 443 :-))
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18:31<error3>viper1001: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
18:31<error3>on "Port" line
18:31<kevinl>are you sure viper1001 isnt asking about portforwarding
18:31<viper1001>i cant editing remote server...
18:31<kevinl>so that he is externally reachable?
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18:32<error3>I don't know ^^
18:32<kevinl>viper1001, need more info on what are you trying to do
18:32<viper1001>im a noob
18:33<kevinl>what is your goal ?
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18:33<viper1001>access the server
18:33<viper1001>but dont have password...
18:33<viper1001>my friend have a pub...
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18:53<SNN>can anyone tell me how i can configure my ip?
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18:53<lupine_85>man ip
18:53<lupine_85>(or ifconfig)
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19:26<foug>my debian runs kind of choppy, any ideas on how i can improve performance? My system monitor doesn't show anything taking up my RAM or cpu
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19:27<error3>foug: what do you use for system monitoring ?
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19:28<foug>error3, just the gnome panel one i guess
19:28<error3>I see...
19:28[~]quasisane tries typing in correct window
19:28<error3>foug: did you show all process in it ?
19:28<error3>or only yours ?
19:29<error3>see in View menu
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19:29<error3>you need to select all processes
19:29<foug>error3, ok i see them all now, still don't see anything taking up much of anything, it all seems normal
19:30<error3>oh it's strange... :-/
19:30<leo891>I have a problem of sound in debian lenny.
19:30<foug>but selecting different windows will lag sometimes, and just general lag overall when opening new app's and what not
19:30<error3>foug: so you're using gnome ? :-)
19:30<foug>why do i have no many getty processes?
19:30<foug>error3, for now yes
19:31<error3>leo891: what problem do you have ?
19:32<error3>foug: you mean no getty process ?
19:32<leo891>The problem that after a time listening a song, the system is blocked
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19:32<EnKiL>ok, i've got debian im ussing it now and i'll like tu run beryl but it says that i have to acelerate my VGA and i dont know how to doit S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] this de model of my VGA how can i doit i've been try with the wewb pages but nothing
19:33<error3>leo891: are you sure it's not a problem of your music player ?
19:33<foug>error3, i see like 5
19:33<error3>foug: well so where's the problem ? you have more than 5 tty
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19:35<error3>EnKiL: I'm really not sure your video card supports beryl
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19:35<error3>or compiz-fusion or whatever else composing-manager
19:35<error3>EnKiL: have you checked on the beryl website to see if your card is supported ?
19:36<EnKiL>well y i read in some web pages that this vido card is ok
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19:36<leo891>the music reproducer works well, but after a time listening the song in the system is blocked, as much in KDE, xfce and fluxbox. For that reason I think that one is not a software problem.
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19:36<EnKiL>the only think i have to to is aceletrated it}
19:36<error3>EnKiL: don't these webpages say how to do it ?
19:37<error3>leo891: it does the problem with different music player ?
19:37<EnKiL>i been try but nothing thats why i came for help :)
19:37<error3>EnKiL: I really never configured such a card... I'm not sure I can help you
19:38<error3>EnKiL: what does glxinfo | grep direct
19:38<leo891>If it does so much in amarok, to mplayer, vlc, xfmedia, etc.
19:38<error3>show ?
19:39<EnKiL>can i paste it?
19:39<EnKiL>X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
19:39<EnKiL> Major opcode of failed request: 142 (GLX)
19:39<EnKiL> Minor opcode of failed request: 3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
19:39<EnKiL> Serial number of failed request: 16
19:39<EnKiL> Current serial number in output stream: 17
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19:39<error3>leo891: ok if it does so with other players, it should be a low level problem
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19:39<EnKiL>X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
19:39<error3>not here enk
19:40<error3>see the topic
19:40<error3>well you can use
19:40<foug>error3, well what are getty?
19:40<error3>foug: terminal console
19:40<error3>foug: ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f2 ...
19:40<foug>aye aye
19:41<error3>(so without ctlr if you're already in a terminal console)
19:41<foug>never knew about those, lol. Seems 7 is the one with the gui
19:41<error3>foug: what is you computer configuration ?
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19:41<leo891>That problem can happen? My plate is one dt019x (ISA), quite old, sera some problem of configuration?
19:41<error3>I mean cpu, ram and so on...
19:41<foug>what do you mean?
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19:41<foug>o, athlon 64 1800+, gig of ram, 6800GS
19:41<error3>leo891: of course it's really old ^^
19:42<foug>i had ubuntu before this, and Windows XP before that. Ubuntu ran pretty solid aside from being ubuntu, lol
19:42<error3>foug: well I'm not specially good to detect why a computer is slow :-)
19:42<chealer>EnKiL: now what?
19:42<error3>foug: do you run many services on you machine ?
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19:43<foug>did a netinstall of debian
19:43<error3>yes, but did you install apache, samba, and lots of others server ? ^^
19:43<foug>o no no
19:43<error3>mmm so it's really strange
19:43<error3>foug: do you use direct rendering ?
19:43<EnKiL>error3-> was helping me :)
19:43<leo891>I form it with alsaconf. There is some other form to form it to the so old being?
19:44<error3>it can speed up a bite
19:44<foug>no ;\ i tried to set it up, and i got it working. But then i rebooted my computer and the X server was corrupt. So i reinstalled, lol
19:44<error3>EnKiL: so give me the adress where you pasted it ^^
19:44<chealer>leo891: what's your native language?
19:44<error3>leo891: did you look on google to see if other people have the same type of problem with same card
19:44<EnKiL>the one u gave me :)
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19:45<error3>EnKiL: yes but when you paste, it give you the address where your paste is :-)
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19:45<error3>foug: what driver are you using ?
19:45<error3>EnKiL: thanks
19:46<foug>error3, whatever came with, vesa i think
19:46<error3>well it's near 3'o clock, so I can't stay here too long
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19:46<error3>foug: with your nvidia card ??
19:46<leo891>If, already it fixes and nonencounter to me he himself problem.
19:47<foug>error3, ? whatever the netinstall installs by itself, i mess everything up anytime i try to install the 3D drivers, lo
19:47<chealer>leo891: did you try #debian-es ?
19:47<error3>foug: look in your xorg.conf to see what driver you are currently using
19:47<foug>error3, nv
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19:48<leo891>probe already #debian-es, but there are not many users.
19:48<error3>EnKiL: can you also paste me your xorg.conf ?
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19:48<error3>foug: ok... perhaps nvidia could be faster, but it suxx : it's non-free :-)
19:48<foug>error3, well, i do need to enable direct rendering..
19:48<error3>foug: of course you should have something that slow down your computer
19:49<error3>foug: first you can try some basic things
19:49<error3>like hdparm
19:49<error3>to verify that dma is enabled on your disk
19:49<silent>anyone know of a good network manager (other than network-manager) ?
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19:49<foug>command not found?
19:50<error3>foug: apt-get it ?
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19:50<error3>foug: you can also try but, things here are quite old... and do not fit if a particular process slow down your machine
19:51<error3>foug: you can also verify if you have cpufreq enabled or things like that
19:51<chealer>silent: knetworkconf?
19:51<error3>perhaps your cpu is not on its full-speed
19:51<error3>EnKiL: THNX
19:52<silent>chealer, will that work on gnome?
19:52<error3>(sorry for caps)
19:52<error3>silent: yes
19:52<silent>chealer, is it gui-based?
19:52<error3>I think
19:52<error3>yes too
19:52<chealer>silent: presumably. yes
19:52<silent>chealer, is it better than network-manager?
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19:53<chealer>silent: I don't know network-manager
19:54<error3>EnKiL: are you running sid ?
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19:55<silent>chealer, well, basically I need something that can connect similar to the windows manager. I have wireless access at my school, I just need to be able to connect locally, login for dhcp via browser, then have internet access
19:55<EnKiL>whats that?
19:56<error3>EnKiL: cat /etc/debian_version
19:56<error3>well of course you're currently using vesa driver enkil
19:56<chealer>silent: "login for dhcp via browser"??
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19:57<error3>I think you could try something EnKiL
19:57<error3>but I'm not sure
19:57<error3>try to replace vesa by savage
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19:57<error3>in your xorg.conf
19:57<error3>I think it will work
19:57<silent>chealer, In windows I click connect to network. I get local access. I then autoaccess an intranet site where I log in for internet access
19:57<EnKiL>done now?
19:58<error3>EnKiL: restart you're X
19:58<silent>where can I find knetworkconf in the gnome menus?
19:58<chealer>silent: that's particular, I don't know.
19:58<error3>silent: in debian menu of course :-)
19:58<EnKiL>amm how?
19:58<error3>Applications => Debian => ....
19:58<chealer>silent: you can access it through kcontrol
19:58<error3>EnKiL: try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
19:58<error3>(as root)
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19:59<silent>Debian then where
19:59<error3>silent: don't you have "Debian" in "Applications" ?
19:59<silent>i do
19:59<error3>then application
19:59<silent>what am I looking for inside debian
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19:59<error3>and probably somewhere like networking
20:00<error3>or something like that
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20:00<error3>perhaps system
20:00<silent>nothing with knetworkconf
20:00<silent>in any menu
20:00<error3>silent: after you can add it directly where you want by editing the gnome menu (right-click on Applications and edit menus)
20:01<error3>silent: well to try it first launch it in console
20:01<error3>then you'll add it to the menu later
20:02<error3>silent: in Debian => Application => System tools ?
20:02<error3>sorry it's not installed in my computer so I can't know
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20:03<error3>EnKiL: hi :-)
20:03<error3>so ?
20:03<error3>did it works ?
20:03<chealer>silent: that's if you have kcontrol, of course. otherwise, you can launch it with $ kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule
20:03<error3>EnKiL: great
20:03<error3>EnKiL: do you have direct rendering now ?
20:03<EnKiL>i dont know if beryl is still intall
20:03<EnKiL>no nothing works
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20:04<EnKiL>doi reintall beryl manager sys
20:04<EnKiL>thats its name
20:04<error3>EnKiL: I don't understand
20:04<error3>it does not work ?
20:04<error3>X didn't restart ?
20:04<error3>what was the error ?
20:04<EnKiL>but beryl doesn'0t work
20:05<foug>EnKiL, how did you install your drivers? with the one liner?
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20:05<linxa>what is the last version of debian?
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20:05<chealer>!tell linxa about stable
20:05<error3>EnKiL: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-savage
20:05<error3>tell me if the driver is installed
20:05<linxa>i wanna install compiz-fusion
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20:06<error3>linxa: it's not in debian
20:06<linxa>but, with the etch version, i had many problems
20:06<error3>linxa: etch is the latest release I think
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20:06<error3>if you don't want using stable, try using sid
20:06<linxa>ok, but, when i install compiz-fusion
20:07<chealer>error3: that's a baaad idea
20:07<linxa>i cant install, because the libc6 is old to install it
20:08<error3>chealer: unstable works fine here ;-)
20:08<error3>linx you can't install compiz-fusion ?
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20:08<linxa>what is the name of unestable version?
20:08<chealer>error3: it's bad advice nevertheless. here is not there.
20:08<error3>well I think it's normal :-)
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20:08<istoc>Hi. I'm new to linux and I just installed the stable version of debian PPC debian on an ibook and I'm getting a lot of errors with gnome. How can I tell if something is corrupted or if I did the install incorrectly? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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20:09<error3>chealer: well I didn't advice him to use sid, I advice him that if he wouldn't wan't to use stable he could use sid
20:09<error3>see the nuance ? ^^
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20:09<error3>s/nuance/difference (not sure nuance exists in english)
20:09<blah123-->greetings I'm having a wierd issue
20:09<lupine_85>nuance is an english word, yep
20:09<error3>istoc: try debsums
20:09<blah123-->I'm getting 404 errors on another box when hitting the security site but on my other box (which I cut and pasted from) it works
20:09<chealer>error3: yes, but that's not what you wrote, you wrote to try sid if he wouldn't want to use stable.
20:09<error3>lupine_85: ok thanks
20:09<istoc>I checked the cd, it says all the files are fine
20:10<blah123-->Err stable/updates/contrib Packages
20:10<blah123-->same exact text on my other box but I dont get the Err at all
20:10<foug>does anyone use opera?
20:10<linxa>how can i install sid?
20:10<error3>chealer: ok see
20:10<linxa>if i have etch?
20:10<blah123-->any idea's?
20:10<chealer>linxa: forget about sid
20:10<error3>blah123--: routing problem ? iptables ?
20:10<error3>linxa: yes forget about it...
20:11<blah123-->theres no iptables
20:11<blah123-->and the router is default pretty much
20:11<chealer>blah123--: which IP does the problematic machine resolve security.d.o to?
20:11<error3>blah123--: bad host file ?
20:11<error3>chealer: good idea...
20:12<error3>linxa: it's mainly for developper use... sid = unstable
20:12<linxa>chealer: do you have compiz in debian?
20:12<chealer>linxa: on my system? no. otherwise, compiz is in Debian, yes.
20:12<error3>blah123--: well you're resolving a local network ip
20:13<error3>that's the problem
20:13<linxa>would you like to tell me, how i can install compiz?
20:13<error3>blah123--: you have a nat router ?
20:13<chealer>linxa: oh, missed your question, sorry. you should forget about sid because it's only intended for experienced Debian users interested in helping. there are better suites for you than sid.
20:13<chealer>linxa: I'd guess you simply install the compiz package.
20:14<linxa>do you have source lists to install it?
20:14<error3>blah123--: what do you have in your resolv.conf ?
20:14<blah123-->uhh that ip isn't private. arin is forwarding me to whoising that ip.
20:14<linxa>if i have etch debian version?
20:14<error3>oh ok :-)
20:14<silent>chealer, so if I apt-get kcontrol ill be good?
20:14<chealer>linxa: yes
20:15<chealer>silent: yes (though you shouldn't need it)
20:15<blah123-->that ip belongs to the university of munich
20:15<silent>chealer, I just need it easily accessible. so long as the control isn't a huge resource hog I dont see a problem
20:15<blah123-->isn't that were security.debian resides?
20:15<linxa>is it possible to get your sourcelist file
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20:16<silent>chealer, what does the control add?
20:16<error3>so I have to sleep sorry ^^
20:16<chealer>silent: it's KDE's control center. it doesn't really add anything knetworkconf
20:16<error3>It's 3:18
20:17<chealer>linxa: yes, but you'd rather fix yours or simply take the example sources.list.
20:17<chealer>blah123--: not sure. what does dig tell you from the problematic machine?
20:17<linxa>would you like to send me your source.list file to my email?
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20:18<chealer>linxa: I recommend instead you use the example sources.list or fix yours. I'm using a testing/unstable mix.
20:18<blah123-->qwest's dns servers are screwed
20:18<blah123-->all fixed :)
20:18<error3>good night every body
20:19<chealer>good night error3
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20:19<linxa>i used it, but, when i tried to install compiz, i had problems with libc6
20:20<chealer>linxa: with the example sources.list?
20:20<linxa>after install debian
20:20<chealer>linxa: did you update your packages index after changing to the example sources.list?
20:20<linxa>i installed debian by network
20:21<linxa>yeah, i ran apt-get update after install it
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20:21<silent>cd /
20:22<chealer>linxa: that's not normal.
20:22<linxa>tell me how, please
20:23<chealer>linxa: there's something wrong with your system if it does that. if you can fix it, simply installing compiz should work.
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20:24<silent>is beryl based on kde or gnome or is it separate?
20:24<chealer>silent: separate
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20:24<silent>is beryl the only way to achieve that end?
20:24<silent>that sytle desktop
20:25<chealer>silent: that style desktop? beryl is dead anyway.
20:25<silent>why did beryl die?
20:25<gravity>It fused
20:26<chealer>silent: hehe, as gravity wrote, it was non-sustainable and merged with compiz.
20:26<silent>so compiz is a 3d desktop environment?
20:26<chealer>silent: no. it's a window manager.
20:27<silent>does it have the ability to become 3d as beryl did?
20:27<gravity>silent: beryl was a fork of compiz. compiz was the original.
20:27<gravity>So yes
20:27<gravity>God, the beryl folks definitely did a good job on propaganda
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20:28<gravity>Getting the word out
20:28<silent>its all over youtube :P
20:28<silent>in anti-mac/windows flaming :/
20:28<silent>"can windows do THIS??" etc
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20:31<linxa>ok, thank you chealer
20:35<amphi>beryl is no more, however - the schismatics have returned to the fold
20:37<foug>does anyone use opera?
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20:38<silent>foug, thanks for reminding me
20:38<silent>have to set that up
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20:40<silent>and poof, opera lives
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20:47<ben1597>I am setting up debian mirror for a lab of debian machines. I plan on using debmirror, but I'd like to know a little bit more about its behavior so I don't abuse the repository I'm mirroring.
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20:49<ben1597>If I add debmirror (http) as a cron job to run every say- 24 hours, is the entire repository re-downloaded each time or only incremental changes?
20:49<silent>ben man it and read the guides, and choose a mirror with lots of regular traffic like a university
20:49<silent>they wont really care
20:49<silent>their networks are designed to handle high loads, and your bandwidth will be a drop in the sea
20:49<ben1597>the man page sounds slightly misleading. here: " "--skippackages" Don't re-download Packages and Sources files. Useful if you know they are up-to-date."
20:51<chealer>silent: Debian's archive is huge; downloading it entirely daily would be much more than a drop even a university.
20:51<ben1597>that sounds as if packages with existing copies on the local repository are not downloaded (with no version comparison)
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20:52<ben1597>chealer: hence the reason I'd like to learn about its behavior.
20:52<silent>chealer, only upgraded packages would be downloaded though... the whole repository wouldnt be rewritten
20:52<chealer>ben1597: Packages and Sources really refer to files named Packages and Sources, not all package files and source files.
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20:53<chealer>silent: of course, but that's his question.
20:53<ben1597>ah! proper noun
20:54<silent>chealer, ah ic
20:55<ben1597>those file are the respective lists of .debs correct?
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20:56<chealer>ben1597: basically, yes
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20:56<silent>ben1597, how big is this lab?
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20:58<ben1597>25 computers, but the issue is: there is no connection to the internet, so I need a local repository for students to install packages and updates.
20:58<ben1597>(the repository can be transported to a connected network)
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21:00<ben1597>silent: would you recommend an alternative?
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21:00<lupine_85>I whipped up a script once to get the Packages.gz files, extract the .deb files, and download any changed .debs on a daily basis
21:01<lupine_85>probably a bit heavy-handed
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21:03<ben1597>that's the same functionality that chealer and silent are telling me debmirror provides, no?
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22:42<msan>I've got a wirless connection on my laptop. When I plug in the ethernet cable into eth0, I have to wait a couple of minutes before the system recognises that it has a connection. I'm not using hotplug. I have udev installed. How do I speed up the recognition of the attached ethernet cable ?
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22:53<venger>knoppix seemingly loads r8169 for my onboard realtek rtl8211 nic (also my pci 8169 card), however last boot i modprobed r8169 and it only setup one of the nics (the pci 8169 based card) any suggestions?
22:55<venger>i guess it could be this forcedeth driver now that i look at it
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22:59<chealer>venger: Knoppix is offtopic here.
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23:00<venger>it isn't directly about knoppix, but i guess you'd say the kernel and modules are offtopic as well
23:04<Supaplex>!tell venger -about based on debian
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23:04<Supaplex>venger: try debian live. :)
23:05<venger>i was only comparing knoppix to my situation, sorry to confuse everyone
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23:07<Supaplex>Requiem: do you ever idle on freenode/#utah ?
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23:08<foug>everytime i open a new window, it opens in the top left of my screen. How can I change it so it opens where I last had it when I closed it? Or atleast center screen
23:08<twb>Waah. The USB hub in my monitor, after working flawlessly for four years, now refuses to work for more than a few seconds
23:09<twb>I get usb 4-1.1: device not accepting address 60, error -71
23:09<twb>over and over.
23:09<dli>foug, gnome should by default doing "smart placing"
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23:12<foug>dli, hmmm
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23:15<chealer>foug: which window manager do you use?
23:20<foug>chealer, metacity
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23:22<Requiem>supaplex:In fact, I'm not sure if I've ever even been to freenode
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