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---Logopened Thu Oct 04 00:00:05 2007
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00:07<twb>Where is the system-wide configuration for the freetype font name aliases "Sans" and "Monospace"?
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00:08<twb>I installed all the fonts I could find (I was bored), and now the default Monospace font appears to be a badly-hinted serifed face instead of Bitstream Vera Sans Mono as it used to be.
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00:38<ben1597>tonight is not my night.
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00:40<ben1597>I know it may sound like a stupid question, but I'm having an issue with 'public key not found' when invoking debmirror.
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00:43<ben1597>this is a fresh system that I'm encountering trouble on. Right off the bat I tried gpg --recv-key [key-id] and then exported it to apt-key
00:44<ben1597>gpg --list-keys show the key with the id gnupg says is not found.
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00:46<ben1597>I see but one discrepancy. gpg --list keys shows the key id as 1024D/6070D3A1. gnupg fails with the error: ERRSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 \\ NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1
00:47<gr33nmang0>ben1597: $ sudo gpg --keyserver --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1
00:48<ben1597>using gpg --recv-key (tried on multiple servers) with both the short form 6070D3A1 and the long form A70DAF536070D3A1
00:48<gr33nmang0>ben1597: $ sudo gpg --armor --export A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -
00:48<gr33nmang0>ben1597: why don't you try these commands?
00:48<jm_>using just gpg is not enoguh, man apt-key or see above
00:48<jm_>for which repository are you getting these errors?
00:48<jm_>warnings actually
00:49<ben1597>arch=i386, dist=lenny
00:50<ben1597>debmirror selects main, contrib, non-free, and the installer
00:50<listerine>i'm trying to set up port forwarding on debian etch
00:50<listerine>where would i add this line?
00:50<listerine>route add -net netmask gw dev eth0
00:51<jm_>then just installing debian-archive-keyring with apt-get shall do the trick
00:51<jm_>listerine: is this different to what you have set for your interface?
00:51<gr33nmang0>jm_: you are absolutely right
00:52<ben1597>gr33nmang0: those are the commands that I issued. I still receive the same error from gnupg
00:52<listerine>jm_: i'm doing this for the first time so i don't actually know what i have set for my interface
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00:52<listerine>or where to check that
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00:52<gr33nmang0>try updating what jm_ suggested
00:53<jm_>listerine: ifconfig; netstat -nr
00:53<jm_>listerine: also look in interfaces file
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00:53<ben1597>I've spent the last 2.5 hours 'doing my homework' (rtfm) on this and the only aspect I can't come to grips with is the pub id's that are being used/generated
00:55<ben1597>gr33nmang0: the output for the first command (which I tried again) was: gpg: Total number processed: 1\\ unchanged: 1 and the second was simply 'OK' as usual
00:56<gr33nmang0>did you update `debian-archive-keyring'
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00:56<twb>ben1597: what technology are you talking about?
00:56<twb>Oh, signed apt files?
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00:57<ben1597>gr33nmang0: apt has updated and there are no packages for upgrade
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00:57<jm_>ben1597: man debmirror, look in section FILES
00:58<gr33nmang0>ben1597: that means your problem is solved!
00:58<ben1597>gr33nmang0: I'm afraid not for debmirror
00:58<jm_>it is using gpgk directly according to the man page
00:58<jm_>gpg too
00:59<ben1597>jm_: I have read that and that was part of the original error.
00:59<ben1597>let me reacreate...
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00:59<jm_>it also has the option to ignore gpg verification error ;)
00:59<jm_>ben1597: maybe man page is outdated and you need to import different key?
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01:00<ben1597>"gpgv: keyblock resource '/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error' fixed by creating the file
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01:01<ben1597>jm_: the man page doesn't cite a specific key id. and I have tried multiple key servers
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01:01<jm_>ben1597: it does -- "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005)"
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01:03<ben1597>jm_: you are talking about the debmirror man page? there is one 'error' included right before the copyright section, but it's different.
01:03<jm_>it also gives wrong path, from what I can see it's in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
01:03<ben1597>but anyways- I've always gone by the id reported by debmirror
01:03<jm_>ben1597: indeed
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01:09<ben1597>ERRSIG: A70DAF536070D3A1 17 2 00 1191356488 9\\NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1
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01:10<test1>hi, i have a question about sound cards
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01:12<test1>i want to apply 2 (or more inputs) to input-line of sound card, can i connect all of 3 wires that 2 (or more inputs) and then connect it into input-line of sound-card ?
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01:12<ben1597>{jm_,gr33nmang0}: thanks for the help
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01:13<ben1597>maybe in a week or two it won't happen again
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01:14<jm_>ben1597: are you saying it still doesn't work?
01:16<ben1597>still doesn't work (I started the mirror with --ignore-release-gpg with screen and have been trying to invoke debmirror with gpg)
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01:19<ben1597>jm_: so I'm giving up for the night/week
01:21<jm_>ben1597: ok maybe modify the script to call gpg -vv or --debug
01:21<jm_>(--debug-all as an alternative)
01:23<ben1597>jm_: oh god I should have been debugging the debmirror script rather than hitting my head against the wall for the last two hours.
01:25<ben1597>jm_: tell you what- once I've got it nailed down, I'll come back and let you know what the issue was.
01:25<ben1597>thanks again.
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01:40<listerine>i was reading a tutorial about port forwarding. i entered this command "route add -net netmask gw dev eth0" more or less. now i cannot connect to that machine.
01:40<listerine>that computer still has access to the net.
01:40<listerine>it seems like the two computers just cant talk to each other
01:41<serge>Hello! Can anybody advice some wisyvig HTML-editor under Etch 4.0 pls? I used to work with Mozilla editor, but there is no editor in Iceweasel...
01:41<dli>listerine, you have netmask, so can not talk to
01:41<Supaplex>listerine: port forwarding and routing are not the same thing.
01:42<dli>serge, try nvu
01:42<serge>thank you
01:42<dli>serge, not sure it's in etch or not :(
01:42<serge>let me see
01:42<dli>serge, try ooweb from openoffice
01:42<serge>not in Etch
01:43<Supaplex>serge: as in netscape4?
01:43<dli>serge, see whether you can backport
01:43<serge>Supaplex: probably yes
01:43<Supaplex>it has a new name, a little modernized, but same engine afaik
01:43[~]Supaplex tries to recall
01:44<listerine>Supaplex: that wasn't the actual like i entered in the console
01:44<dli>serge, netscape is seamonkey now
01:44<listerine>i'm not sure where to check that
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01:44<serge>dli: is ooweb not generating very complex code like MS Frontpage?
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01:44<dli>serge, I have no idea about M$
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01:45<serge>dli: I would like a native package from Etch distro...
01:45<Supaplex>Iceape Composer is a WYSIWIG HTML editor that lets you modify arbitrary HTML pages. ...
01:45<Supaplex>serge: ^^^^^^
01:46<listerine>i'm thinking of a command. it's something like "ifconfig; netstat -<option>" to show how my * is set up
01:46<serge>dli: well :) I mean does ooweb generates simle and clear HTML code like Mozilla does ?
01:46<serge>Supaplex: thank you
01:46<dli>serge, I have it installed, but never used it, I use nvu more
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01:53<dpkg>i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
01:54<Supaplex>!ops flooding by Psycroptic
01:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: flooding by Psycroptic
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01:55<Supaplex>I guess FloodServ saves us all. :)
01:55<troubled>pretty bad when debhelper beats a psudoserver to the kick... ;)
01:56<[ViNoM]>that was nothing
01:56<Supaplex>troubled: FloodServ's just water logged
01:56<Supaplex>[ViNoM]: nice #1rc you got ...
01:57<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
01:58<Supaplex>esp when that's all you say.
01:58<[ViNoM]>shh :D
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01:58<[ViNoM]>dpkg ?
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01:59<[ViNoM]>Why would i want to say bwahahaha
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02:00<[ViNoM]>bwa ?
02:00<Supaplex>read his last statement carefully.
02:00<[ViNoM]>And for 1 iam not no fuckin AOL user
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02:00<[ViNoM]>ill make a r00t to your box ;)
02:01<craigevil>and yet your awake at 3am being rude to people you dont even know
02:01<[ViNoM]>i didnt make the 1st smartass comment
02:01<hetzer>hi. where i can find solution about problem with xorg 1.4 in sid?
02:01<craigevil>hetzer: what problem?
02:01<hetzer>led not working
02:02<Supaplex>hetzer: most sid issues are in bts
02:02<hetzer>caps to work and scroll only if window changeds
02:02<craigevil>you use gnome or kde? its a known bug i just use the keyboard status applet
02:02<hetzer>i use ion3, sawfish
02:03<craigevil>as far as i know theres no way to actually fix it until a bugfix is released
02:03<hetzer>ok, now im use gkrellm-leds to see what pressed :)
02:05<Supaplex>[ViNoM]: one of your works huh?
02:05<Supaplex>either that, or you're a wannabe.
02:05<[ViNoM]>wannabe ?
02:06<Supaplex>my bad. you're a troll. I'll shut up
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02:06<[ViNoM]>see it would be no fun showing how i drop this shit irc server
02:06<craigevil>rap isnt music one of these days people will wise up and realize that
02:07<[ViNoM]>i forgot more then yall learned
02:07<Aciid>How can I activate "Mail" locally?
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02:07<Aciid>from user to user
02:07<dpkg>somebody said mail was a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out.
02:07<Aciid>that dosnt help
02:08<[ViNoM]>533 y@11 n07 3v3n 0n my l3v3l
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02:09<Supaplex>oh no! [ViNoM]'s l33t. let's run
02:10<[ViNoM]>Nah iam a n006 :D
02:10<Supaplex>hahaha prepubescent teens. what a riot.
02:10<craigevil>Aciid: take a look at exim or postfix
02:10<Aciid>but how to do it the simple way
02:10<[ViNoM]>and its not l33t
02:10<[ViNoM]>putting me to sleep over here
02:10<Aciid>[ViNoM]: are u affiliated with some trolly troll organisation such as gnaa?
02:11<craigevil>so are you being a noob in all the many channels your in
02:11<Supaplex>[ViNoM]: I suppose you have a debian question, right?
02:11<[ViNoM]>iam gonna own them in a se
02:11<[ViNoM]><<<<<<<<< HaXoR (H)
02:11<craigevil>Aciid: no clue about postfix but exim4 pretty much sets itself up then you can use any mail app to read local mail
02:12<Aciid>well me and my friend have tryed "mail username"
02:12<Aciid>but im not so sure how to end the message
02:12<Aciid>only way i know is just to kill it :S
02:12<[ViNoM]>(Banlist: status change/enabled)
02:12<[ViNoM]>owner me here :D
02:12<craigevil>yeha you wish what are you 10?
02:13<[ViNoM]>(Assasinated: start of/banlist.ini)
02:13<[ViNoM]>(Assasinated: //)
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02:13<Aciid>craigevil: how can i end the message after ive write'd all my stuff
02:13<Aciid>is it a key combination?
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02:14<craigevil>no clue i only use local mail for apps like logcheck
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02:14<Aciid>[ViNoM] = Mirc noob
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02:14<Aciid>[ViNoM] = Mirc noob
02:15<Supaplex>!ops floods: [ViNoM] []
02:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: floods: [ViNoM] []
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02:17<gsimmons>Aciid: After entering your message, use control-D at the beginning of a line. See mail(1) for details.
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02:17<Aciid>gsimmons: love ya bunch <3
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02:24<twb>Sending control code in IRC is wrong, I tell you.
02:24<gr33nmang0>!download debian
02:24<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install.
02:25<gr33nmang0>!dialup install
02:25<dpkg>hmm... dialup install is 64kbps are 650MB per day, or ~1.2GB installed size, maybe more than you will ever have installed at once. You will wait few hours for the install to complete, but shuffling those 5290280948 CDs testing has now will probably take even longer, and can't be run unattended. The 1st binary CD is more than you need. See netinst.
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02:26<gr33nmang0>dpkg: thanks
02:26<dpkg>bitte, gr33nmang0
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02:31<Aciid>!usb install
02:31<dpkg>[usb-install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: or
02:32<Aciid>!harddrive isntall
02:32<Aciid>!harddrive install
02:32<Aciid>!hdd install
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02:33<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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03:22[~]gcosmin morning
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03:37<motio>hi i am trying to run googleearth and i get error Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". any help
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03:48<T27>is someone able to help me with a kernel-package built kernel not booting with lvm?
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03:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
03:50<twb>T27: more detail, please.
03:51<moozer>I wanted to use some cd burning software as anew user. Reading around it looks like Wodim is the package of choice. Can you recommend a good howto for this purpose? I wanted something short but clear that i can print off.
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03:52<T27>running etch. lvm works fine with the stock kernel. /boot is not in lvm, / and swap are. compiled (vanilla) kernel from using make-kpkg, installed the .deb. ran "update-initramfs -ck", then "update-grub"
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03:53<T27>on booting with new kernel, it reports it is unable to find the lvm volume group, then stops with a message saying "waiting for root filesystem". (sorry; i'd provide more, but the machine is at uni and i'm at home, and because / is on lvm it doesn't go to syslog)
03:53<T27>but if i select the stock kernel again from the grub menu, it boots fine
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03:56<T27>also tried: changing /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf to use MODULES=dep
03:57<T27>fails in the same place, but when it tries to check for the lvm partitions it reports device-mapper loading, then fails the same way as before
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03:57<moozer>Hang on I think I've found auser manual - sorry to trouble you - I should have spent a bit longer searching - gave up too easily :)
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03:58<moozer>My space bar is dying :(
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04:01<twb>T27: not sure.
04:02<twb>T27: have you compared the initrds of the two kernels for weirdness?
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04:02<T27>no. i'm not sure i'd know what to look for if i did
04:03<twb>The lvm binary only being installed in one of the two, for example
04:04<T27>is there a tool in particular i should use to examine them?
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04:04<twb>They are just cpio archives
04:04<twb>Extract them and diff -ur
04:05<test1>hi, is there anyone familiar with ?
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04:05<twb>test1: is it a kind of seal?
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04:05<dpkg>i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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04:06<test1>i downloaded mplayer package from it but it is only for lenny and not for etch , from where i can download them for etch ?
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04:06<jm_>test1: d-m
04:06<jm_>see above
04:06<twb>mplayer is already in both, I believe.
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04:08<seanius>dpkg: tell test1 about debian-multimedia.etch
04:10<test1>twb, no the mplayer that is in official debian-etch has no mencoder that i need
04:11<twb>You should ask for what you want.
04:11<test1>and i tried the to find mencoder
04:11<test1>but its last version is only for lenny and not for etch :-( and
04:12<test1>i could not find any new version for debian-etch
04:12<test1>is there the author of in this chat room ?
04:12<T27>twb: is there a particular way in which an initrd should be extracted with cpio? i just tried it on a different box i have here and wound up with gibberish files/dirs before it aborted
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04:13<T27>using cpio -i < initrd.img-2.6.18-5.686
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04:17<twb>themill: I forget
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04:17<twb>themill: I forget.
04:17<twb>T27: I forget.
04:17<T27>i got you ;)
04:17<twb>Stupid completion
04:17<twb>themill: sorry.
04:17<themill>twb: good morning :)
04:18<themill>!coffee twb
04:18[~]dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for twb, courtesy of themill
04:18<themill>(it sounds like you need one)
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04:20<seanius>test1: read what dpkg told you
04:24<T27>did some googling, found a page that suggests using yaird instead of initramfs-tools. is there a compelling reason not to do this?
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04:25<seanius>T27: did you gunzip it first?
04:26<seanius>i.e. zcat initrd-`uname -r` | cpio -i
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04:26<twb>I know nothing of yaird. Debian and Ubuntu both use initramfs-tools by default, AFAIK.
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04:27<T27>seanius: that did it, thanks. no idea why i didn't use "file" on it first
04:28<seanius>i had to do some mucking around with my nslu2's initrd last week and ended up learning a bit about initramfs-tools . it's actually a pretty nice system imho
04:28<twb>The objection to initramfs-tools, AFAICT, is that it requires udev.
04:28<twb>Well, boo hoo
04:29<T27>yeah, i found being able to just do "update-initramfs -ck <version>" to be friendly enough
04:29<seanius>and if you need to do anythign special, or customize it, it's really nice
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04:30<T27>which is the situation i'm in; it doesn't appear to be putting in sufficient to mount / from lvm
04:30<T27>when /boot isn't in a lv
04:30[~]seanius goes to lunch
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04:38<T27>twb: thanks for the assistance, will see how it goes
04:39<ra9ftm>who knows, how to initiate rdp server on linux, gnome...?
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05:03<jimmypw>hello, can anyone tell me what package mkinitrd is in, in debian?
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05:09<twb>!apt-file >jimmypw
05:11<twb>What tool allows me to inspect the metadata within a .ttf (font) file?
05:11<jimmypw>aha ok
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05:18<aenima>Hello all, I have a question regarding "gspca-modules-2.6.18-4-686". It shows up in my "apt-cache search" yet it is nowhere available for download. Can somebody tell me what's going on with this package?
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05:21<twb>aenima: presumably this is because it is obsolete.
05:22<twb>aenima: have you run "aptitude update" lately?
05:22<jimmypw>eew aptitude messy
05:22<jimmypw>apt-get update
05:22<twb>Most likely, a new kernel (e.g. 2.6.18-5) came out, and so a new package with very similar content is now called gspca-modules-2.6.18-5-686.
05:23<twb>aenima: please do not use /msg.
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05:23<aenima>Ow sorry, it looked like a /msg here :P
05:23<twb>No problem.
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05:24<aenima>I'll check on the new kernel package. Thanks for your help all.
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05:42<aenima>My linux-image packages was on hold, together with bluez-utils. Now i've managed to upgrade the linux-image package, but sadly my bluez-utils (which are working fine with the old version) have been removed, or are at least flagged as "rc" in dpkg -l. How can I make sure i dont lose the bluez-utils ?
05:43<aenima>In other words: I want to put bluez-utils from "rc" back to "h" (hold)
05:43<mqtt>hi folks, i'm trying to compile a module (rtl8180-cvs), but each time i 'make', it erases the whole directory without any error message, as if it was what i wanted (it's not). The Makefile seems to be quite generic, and i cant't figure out what's happening, and how to compile this driver... any ideas?
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05:55<twb>aenima: just do `aptitude install bluez-utils'?
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05:57<aenima>That would install the latest version, which is not what I want. It's fixed now, I manually downloaded the .deb package again. I use the sarge-version of bluez-utils for etch because it's the only one that i can get working properly.
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06:05<themill>dpkg: welcome back
06:05<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
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06:07<mqtt>hello again, for those interested, here is the transcript of my module compilation: . Look at lines 12!
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06:24<panagos>when will testing be available in ISO images again?
06:24<streuner>it is
06:26<panagos>streuner: will there be a problem if i download the latest testing ISOs?
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06:26<streuner>panagos: it could be
06:26<themill>streuner: not they're not. read the first paragraph from that page ;(
06:27<streuner>"You cannot install unstable (sid) using the daily netinst CD image, only testing (lenny). "
06:27<themill>Weekly builds are currently suspended while major development is on-going on the first lenny d-i beta.
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06:28<streuner>panagos: i guess my english sucks, so just use d-i (etch/stable) and upgrade if you need that
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06:29<panagos>i am noy planning on either installing sid or compiling from source :) i'm just reinstalling my system, and i want to use testing
06:29<streuner>very easy
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06:29<panagos>streuner: what do you mean by d-i?
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06:29<streuner>just use "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list
06:29<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
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06:30<panagos>hmm, i think i'll do it that way :D install etch and then upgrade
06:31<streuner>panagos: ok, but read "/msg dpkg sid faq" please too
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06:31<streuner>no matter if you using testing or unstable (sid), this FAQ is very helpful
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06:32<themill>streuner: the different information sources about this are ambiguous... who knows what's going on...
06:32<streuner>#debian-boot :-)
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06:34<streuner>How about to ask in #debian-boot and (if needed) edited wiki.d.o?
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06:39<panagos>if i get debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso, can i then get the next CDs normally?
06:39<streuner>!d-i panagos
06:39<dpkg>panagos, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
06:40<streuner>and read ig
06:40<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
06:40<streuner>panagos: make sure your NIC is supported...
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06:41<streuner>panagos: what internet-connection do you have, btw?
06:41<panagos>streuner: none :(
06:41<streuner>are you connected through a router (DHCP) or use PPP?
06:42<streuner>hardware-routers are just easy
06:43<panagos>streuner: i'm planning on getting an internet connection, and it will probably an onboard ethernet controller connected to an adsl modem-router, just like everybody :D
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06:45<streuner>read ig then
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06:55<Tw4t>whats the best method, nvidia installer. Or the debian way?
06:56<streuner>debian, of course
06:56<Tw4t>streuner, do u have a link?
06:57<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
06:57<streuner>if you dont need 3D, just us "nv"
06:58<Tw4t>i need 3D
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06:58<Tw4t>i just replaced an ATI PCIe for an onboard solution
06:58<Tw4t>so i could have 3D
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07:09<twb>Why does Debian override the default HashKnownHosts setting for ssh? It's annying.
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07:14<lrp>good morning
07:14<lrp>good morning ?
07:14<panagos>lrp: good afternoon :D
07:15<lrp>any1 know how or where i can get the last kernel update for my workstation , im using kernel 2.6.18
07:15<lrp>heheh here in my country its 8 > 16 am :)
07:15<lrp>!kernel update
07:15<panagos>lrp: there is 2.6.21 in testing
07:16<lrp>panagos im using etch but my kernel does not support usb logitech drivers
07:16<lrp>i belive the updates should have the driver include , i think
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07:17<lrp>i had a very bad experience with my X because i compile the driver of my usb webcam
07:17<panagos>lrp: as i said, there is 2.6.21 in testing, and logitech drivers are generally a pain
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07:18<lrp>panagos hehehehe , wqell you can send me one to my home if you like ;)
07:18<panagos>besides, logitech does not officially support linux! :(
07:18<lrp>panagos are you sure ?
07:19<panagos>lrp: they are mostly reverse-engineered and the like, from what i know
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07:19<themill>lrp: .21 and .22 are in
07:20<themill>!tell lrp about
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07:21<lrp>themill, mmm , the kernel updates are there ? you mean i can update my kernel using apt from that mirror right ?
07:22<themill>lrp: if you add the line that dpkg just told you about to your sources.list, you can aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-686 (or -amd64)
07:23<themill>bah linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
07:23<lrp>ok let me test it
07:23<themill>(there's an ABI version in there too)
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07:24<lrp>themill, 686 ? 32 bit no?
07:25<themill>yes; what's your current uname -r
07:25<lrp>mmm trouble here NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C from backport
07:25<lrp>how i fix that ?
07:25<lrp>GPG error there
07:25<themill>install the package debian-backports-keyring
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07:25<lrp>how ?
07:26<themill>aptitude install debian-backports-keyring
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07:27<lrp>done thanks
07:27<lrp>let me install the kernel now
07:27<themill>what's your current uname -r
07:27<themill>ok, so the -686 kernel is ok then
07:28<lrp>what do you think , would be good update my kernel dont you think
07:28<lrp>i read somewhere about some security updates for that kernel
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07:28<themill>It depends on what you're hoping to get out of doing so.
07:28<themill>the .18 kernel you currently have has already had the security updates applied (if you've been running aptitude update && aptitude upgrade)
07:29<lrp>themill, mm well im going to do aptitude upgrade now
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07:31<themill>lrp: there are some nice things in .21 and .22 for laptop users, and also for some wireless cards and sound cards (they're the big things that would make you want to upgrade)
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07:32<lrp>themill, well im loking for usb drivers because usb2 became kinda slow copyng and usb webcam :)
07:33<themill>I doubt you're going to find much to help that. is the webcam actually usb2?
07:33<themill>(most aren't still)
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07:34<lrp>the webcam i think does not support usb2 but , im seeking updates for my kernerl detect automatically my usb webcam
07:34<lrp>i hate compile drivers
07:35<themill>is it a logitech quickcam? does it work with the debian package qc-usb-source?
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07:36<lrp>is that package added to the apt sources list ?
07:37<themill>it's a package that's been in debian main for a long time.. you don't need to do anything extra to get it.
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07:38<themill>lrp: It's a long time since I've played with it, but something like "aptitude install qc-usb-source && m-a a-i qc-usb" is what you need. The qc-* packages come with a readme.debian or similar.
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07:43<linxa>i need to install a program
07:43<linxa>i want to managed my cpu
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07:43<linxa>when i unplugged the charger,
07:43<linxa>the cpu down
07:44<linxa>kubuntu has one of them
07:45<themill>kpowersave is good for that
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07:46<linxa>let me try it
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07:46<lrp>im back
07:46<lrp>i reboot my computer
07:46<lrp>now what was the last kernel to update from my workstation
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07:49<linxa>how can i know if my cpu is down when i unplugged the charger
07:50<linxa>i can see
07:50<linxa>thank you very much themill
07:50<themill>linxa: no worries
07:51<linxa>i have another question
07:51<themill>lrp: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-686
07:51<linxa>i installed compiz-fusion in my etch debian version
07:51<lrp>aptitude -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6.22-686 ?
07:51<linxa>but, i dont have compiz-setting-manager
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07:52<linxa>how can i configurate compiz?
07:56<lrp>couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.22-686"
07:56<lrp>i think im going to use mirror from kernel page
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07:58<themill>lrp: gah... I forgot that extra -2- again
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07:59<themill>lrp: enabling tab completion is helpful for these things uncomment the tab completion lines in /etc/bash.bashrc and then aptitude install linux-image-2.6<tab><tab> will list the available kernels for you
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08:00<lrp>themill, linux-image-2.6.22-2-?686
08:00<themill>lrp: you can of course use the tab completion earlier than that too...)
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08:01<lrp>hi kamran
08:01<kamran>how r u ?
08:02<kamran>may i ask ur asl , if you don't mind
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08:04<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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08:06<ElJavo>why fonts in linux seem to be a little out of focus? when comparing vs win or mac fonts, which are more defined?
08:06<knx511>i wonder if anyone can help me regarding changing the size of the /ramdisk under knoppix 5.1.1?
08:06<Vakio>!tell knx511 about knoppix
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08:08<jimmypw>is dpkg broke?
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08:09<lrp>knoppix 5.11 sucks
08:09<jimmypw>not responding to any of my querys
08:09<knx511>why knoppix 5.11 sucks?
08:09<lrp>knoppix 3.6 are the most stable in all versions
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08:10<knx511>lrp, do u know how to change the size of /ramdisk?
08:10<lrp>well i use to have 3.6 and i have never trouble in my workstation
08:10<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
08:10<lrp>change the size of ramdisk ? i think that is up to what ram your computer have
08:10<lrp>VAkio Good ;)
08:11<lrp>any idea , what tool i can use to create a debian live cd ?
08:11<knx511>the problem for me with older versions of knoppix is that the gaim failed to connect to yahoo or msn..
08:11<lrp>or simply create my own debian distro
08:11<knx511>i think there're some scripts available..
08:11<lrp>well that is up to what kine of connection you have
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08:11<twb>Knoppix sucks because now there are people building live CDs directly on top of Debian, so using a hokey crufty system image that has junk dating back to Slink isn't necessary.
08:11<themill>!custom cd
08:11<dpkg>[custom cd] So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read | Also see |
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08:12<lrp>themill, really ? naaaaaaaaaaaaa :D
08:12<lrp>themill, let me check there
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08:12<dpkg>Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live
08:13<themill>lrp: ^^ one of them sounds like what you're looking for...
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08:13<knx511>thx dpkg
08:14<themill>!say you're welcome knx511
08:14<dpkg>you're welcome knx511
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08:14<knx511>i might have come across the links u mentioned but have never studied it properly..
08:15<lrp>themill i have the usb logitech webcam driver installed and gues what , the webcam look only blue screen :)
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08:15<knx511>can anyone tell me what're these "!tell" & "!say" about?
08:15<lrp>the webcam seems like the song blue dabadi lol
08:16<themill>the device exists in /dev etc? I find xawtv is a good debugging tool for the webcams
08:16<lrp>knx511, thats only a bot sentence
08:16<twb>knx511: do you come here often?
08:16<themill>knx511: dpkg is a bot not a person. Anything beginning with ! is a command to the bot
08:16<lrp>i installed once ago dpkg boot pretty usefull
08:16<knx511>im not sure, probably it's my first time :)
08:16<knx511>thx lrp :)
08:16<lrp>by the way i would like to install that in my server to test the irc :)
08:17<lrp>test my irc server :)
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08:17<themill>knx511: then welcome to #debian. But next time you come, please come here with a debian question not a knoppix question and you'll get a lot more help :)
08:17<knx511>lrp: u have your own irc server? what's it for?
08:18<lrp>themill, im going to reboot (kernel upgraded) if i take more than 20 minutes to back its because my computer crashed :D
08:18<knx511>i use debian and ubuntu too...
08:18<themill>lrp: happy hunting ;)
08:18<twb>knx511: that's great, have a cookie
08:18<knx511>i used to work on mandrake 9.2 and fc3
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08:18<lrp>knx511, my irc is not allowed from internet my friend , its a private network :(
08:18<lrp>brb in a flash
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08:19<adii>got a prob : i can't build fglrx module using etch 2.6.21-2-486
08:19<knx511>is it for a company to allow employees to exchange ideas and do discussion?
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08:21<lrp>im back
08:21<lrp>kernel updated
08:21<themill>!fglrx 2.6.21
08:21<dpkg>Fglrx does not compile against 2.6.21 kernels with CONFIG_PARAVIRT enabled. Compile your own or use a different kernel.
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08:21<lrp>themill, kernel upgraded :D
08:21<themill>lrp: good stuff
08:21<ElJavo>why fonts in linux seem to be a little out of focus? when comparing vs win or mac fonts, which are more defined? how to make this better?
08:22<lrp>themill, let me install the xantv
08:22<knx511>lrp: is your irc server for a company to allow employees to exchange ideas and do discussion?
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08:23<lrp>knx511, its university my friend
08:23<dpkg>hmm... webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian:
08:23<lrp>!webcam debbuging
08:23<dpkg>logitech is, like, a company that makes hardware. They make good usb mice.
08:24<lrp>themill can you remind me the name of the tool to debug my webcam driver ?
08:24<themill>xawtv is what I've used in the past. It's just a really simple interface to the camera.
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08:26<lrp>themill, can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
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08:26<themill>lrp: have you inserted the module for the camera (if needed)? does dmesg tell you anything? are there any other /dev/video devices?
08:27<themill>lrp: there's not much more that I can do to help you on this one unfortunately though.
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08:27<themill>lrp: the dpkg factoid on webcam gives a useful-looking page that might help too. Or ask google ;)
08:27<jm_>ElJavo: try this
08:28<lrp>themill, i think im going to compile again
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08:30<ElJavo>jm_: thanks i'm looking that link !!
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08:35<lrp>themill, im installing the driver nce again from sources
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08:36<knx511>lrp: thx, but, i've to leave now
08:37<knx511>have a good day, everyone. bye now
08:37<lrp>knx511, kay
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08:46<moep>dli: i fixed my problem. i used no-op as scheduler and mount my hdd with async and it works now
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09:02<radoo>hello! is there a begginer manual for debian?very basic?
09:03<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <unix lessons>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>. (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client)
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09:10<radoo>ok, another question: how can i acces my windows partitions? i tried right-click>mount- but i got an errror message saying the partition isn't a removable device and can't be mounted
09:12<gr33nmang0>radoo: Don't use mouse :P
09:12<gr33nmang0>radoo: use terminal
09:13<radoo>i don't understand :(
09:13<gsimmons>!tell radoo -about ntfsro
09:13<gr33nmang0>use mount command
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09:14<gsimmons>radoo: I'm assuming your Windows partition(s) has/have NTFS filesystem(s). Ask dpkg about 'vfatrw' if I assumed incorrectly.
09:14<radoo>just mount? where do i find the terminal? i tried ctrl-alt-f1 (as i read somewhere)- is that right? how can i return after that in the gui?
09:14<gr33nmang0>check this out .. it's good for you
09:14<radoo>thank you!
09:15<gr33nmang0>radoo: alt+ctrl+F7 for GUI
09:15<lupine_85>just alt+f7
09:15<radoo>thank you again!
09:15<gr33nmang0>lupine_85: well... yeah
09:15<lrp>hye any ideas about install driver to usb webcam in kernel 2.6.22 ?
09:16<lupine_85>lrp: probably the gspca module
09:16<lupine_85>but check the internets with your usb:id first
09:17<radoo>i'll read everything in that book- but before i have just another quick question: yesterday i was told to give "pppoe" command in the terminal in order to install my network access- i tried, but i got a message "command not found"...what should i do?
09:17<lrp>lupine_85, see i have installed usb logitech webcam , but i can only a blue screen , and with xawtv he sayds cannot find /dev/usb0 however the webcam is there
09:17<lrp>sorry dev/video0
09:17<lrp>its dev/video0 :)
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09:18<lupine_85>lrp: you have to issue an mknod command to produce the device file (I forget the exact one. google for mknod and video0)
09:18<lupine_85>but you still need to have the correct kernel module in addition to that
09:18<themill>lupine_85: even with udev on a recent kernel?
09:18<lupine_85>radoo: install pppoe :D
09:18<lupine_85>themill: with 2.6.22
09:18<lupine_85>I can't comment on any other version
09:19<lupine_85>(debian stock)
09:19<radoo>ok, thank you :)
09:19<lupine_85>it surprised me, too
09:19<simonrvn>easier to just type man mknod or mknod --help
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09:20<themill>lupine_85: ok... I don't remember doing that... but it's been an awfully long time
09:20<lupine_85>simonrvn: if you know the major and minor device numbers off by heart, feel free to share them
09:21<radoo>what are "fstab" "hdxx" "uid" and "gid"
09:21<simonrvn>less <kernel_source_tree>/Documentation/devices.txt
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09:21<chealer>radoo: no need for "pppoe"
09:22<lupine_85>radoo: /etc/fstab; a device file where the first x is [a-z] and the second is [1-9], depending on your partitioning scheme; your user id; and your group id
09:22<simonrvn>lupine_85: no need ;) ^^^
09:22<radoo>what do you mean "no need for pppoe"?
09:22<lupine_85>simonrvn: thank you, for your kind words :)
09:23<chealer>radoo: you don't need the pppoe command to "install your network access"
09:23<radoo>what should i do instead? it doesn't work automatically....
09:23<lupine_85>well, s/he might have an adsl USB modem or something similarly painful
09:23<lupine_85>radoo: what do you have?
09:23<chealer>radoo: did you use pppoeconf?
09:23<themill>radoo: tell us about how you are trying to connect to the internet
09:23<radoo>i have an adsl modem, connected via ethernet to the computer...
09:24<lupine_85>if it's via ethernet, it's a router, not a modem
09:24<lupine_85>is the router running dhcp?
09:24<lupine_85>(well, a modem/router)
09:24<lrp>mm nothing in google about enable webcam in kernel 2.6.22
09:24<radoo>i think it is an "adsl modem"- not sure this is the right term, somebody got yesterday preety furios about that...:(
09:25<lupine_85>radoo: what's the model number or name of the device?
09:25<lrp>however the messages sayds Linux video capture interface: v2.00
09:25<radoo>no, i've got the message by installation- the device isn't using that protocol(?) dhcp...
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09:26<radoo>siemens adsl- c2-010-i
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09:26<radoo>and then (RoHS)
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09:28<lupine_85>an "intelligent modem with pppoe support"
09:28<lupine_85>so, yeah. you need to establish a ppp connection to it. pppoeconf is probably your friend
09:28<radoo>in windows- by internet connection- i have the pppoe flag by the "device name"- wan miniport(pppoe)
09:29<lupine_85>yeah. it's pretty easy to set up, even graphically (in KDE, anyway)
09:29<chealer>lupine_85: really? which application?
09:30<lupine_85>kcontrol->network settings
09:30<chealer>lupine_85: knetworkconf avoids the need for pppoeconf?
09:31<lupine_85>it's probably just a wrapper
09:31<lupine_85>I've not got much experience with pppoe
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09:32<radoo>i never configured my router...i eamn, i had no need to write any kind of data on it- like user account and pwd or such...
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09:33<gr33nmang0>radoo: Call your ISP help line :p
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09:34<lupine_85>hehe, I'm sure they'll be able to help
09:34<chealer>lupine_85: how do you do anyway?
09:34<lupine_85>eh, I'm OK
09:35<lupine_85>waiting for jive to start, killing time otherwise
09:35<chealer>lupine_85: oh, I mean, how do you setup a PPPoE connection with knetworkconf?
09:35<radoo>just to go sure: i should enter the terminal windows (ctrl-alt-f1) give the command "install pppoe" and that was it? @gr33nmang0- i did it- the person i talked to knew exactly so much about linux as myself :(
09:35<gr33nmang0>radoo: you are using a router and not modem
09:35<chealer>radoo: please start by answering our questions.
09:36<chenaillou>hello everyone
09:36<lupine_85>chealer: AIUI, it configures an existing ppp connection (so you need one in /etc/network/interfaces)
09:36<gr33nmang0>radoo: sudo apt-get install pppoe
09:36<radoo>sorry, what was the question?
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09:36<gr33nmang0>radoo: do you know what is 'sudo' ?
09:36<radoo>sorry, i'm trying to understand and read in the same time :)
09:36<chealer>radoo: [10:25:06] <chealer> radoo: did you use pppoeconf?
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09:37<radoo>no, i didn't use pppoeconf yet...never.. about sudo- i read it is something to run commands in admin mode temporarilly (?) not sure thou
09:37<chealer>radoo: try it
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09:38<gr33nmang0>chealer: I don't think he needs pppoe
09:38<chealer>lupine_85: humk, but then it doesn't replace pppoeconf. PPPoE setup needs more than interfaces changes anyway.
09:38<chenaillou> can Someone help me ? I have one question, i would like to know what exactly do the command "dpkg-i linux-imageXXXX" just after you have generated your .deb with make-kpkg
09:38<radoo>i will try it- simply tip it in the terminal? "pppoeconf"?
09:38<lupine_85>gr33nmang0: he needs a pppoe connection to the modem. I'm pretty sure that requires ppoe
09:38<chealer>gr33nmang0: you think he's using a router?
09:38<chealer>radoo: as root, yes
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09:39<chenaillou>It seems that it modifies the grub menu.lst
09:39<lupine_85>it's definitely not sending IP over those ethernet frames
09:39<radoo>also "sudo -pppoeconf"?
09:39<praveen>Hi All
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09:39<gr33nmang0>see this
09:39<chealer>radoo: no need. sudo is only needed if you can't become root.
09:39<radoo>how do i become root?
09:40<praveen>can someone give some good url on apache with ssl?
09:40<chealer>chenaillou: yes. it's like installing a linux-image package, but with your custom kernel.
09:40<Kjetil|>Which package is the posix thread documentation located in ?
09:40<chealer>radoo: which desktop environment do you use?
09:40<chenaillou>chealer yes, but is that all it does ? what about the modules ?
09:41<radoo>i think it is gnome?! i just started debian an half an hour ago in stardard mode with no changes...
09:41<chealer>chenaillou: yes. what do you mean?
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09:42<chenaillou>In fact after all the installations of any kernel I did, when I reboot, it is always impossible to boot on all other kernels and also on the one I've just installed
09:43<radoo>yes, this is the thing i have ---what is that?router or modem? should this somehow make the things clearer? i don't understand a thing....
09:43<gr33nmang0>radoo: press alt+f2 and type gnome-terminal there
09:43<chenaillou>i've checked the grub config me,u.lst bt it is all right
09:43<chealer>gr33nmang0: that will just launch a user shell
09:44<chenaillou>it said to me that the "root" have not the rights arguments, during the kernel boot, but I'm absolutely sure the grub config is right
09:44<gr33nmang0>chealer: yeah... but radoo don't know that :)
09:44<radoo>in the documantation says it supporzts dhcp- then why sin't it working?
09:45<gr33nmang0>chealer: he is uses virtual terminal all time
09:45<chealer>gr33nmang0: well, he's asking how to become root :/
09:45<lupine_85>radoo: dhcp is /after/ setting up pppoe
09:45<gr33nmang0>oops : remove is
09:45<lupine_85>(e.g. you establish the pppoe link, then your ppp connection gets an IP address automagically)
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09:45<radoo>sorry, :( i know i don't know like nothing about linux and really don't wanna be a pain in the... but i need soem help...
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09:46<gr33nmang0>chealer: Debian bydefault dosen't add first user to /etc/sudoers
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09:46<dude>isn't there a repo where i can get pidgin, and exaile. I'm using etch amd64
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09:47<gr33nmang0>chealer: so I will be difficult to get root access unless changing /etc/sudoers manually from single user mode
09:47<lrp>grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i need to start my logitech usb webcam
09:47<themill>!tell dude about simple sid backport
09:47<radoo>again, just to be sure- alt-f2, type "gnome-terminal" then type ""sudo -pppoeconfig"?
09:47<gr33nmang0>radoo: is gnome-terminal visible?
09:47<chealer>gr33nmang0: not at all, he simply needs to open a root terminal
09:48<chealer>radoo: no, that won't work
09:48<radoo>i am in windows now :) i can't access internet from debian...yet
09:48<gr33nmang0>chealer: how to do that ?... KDE user here
09:48<chealer>gr33nmang0: me too. he'd need a GNOME user to help.
09:48<gr33nmang0>chealer: I mean is that option available in GUI Menu?
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09:49<chealer>gr33nmang0: oh, in KDE, yes. K menu -> System -> Other -> Root terminal or something like that.
09:49<gr33nmang0>chealer: I know that.. but what about GNOME?
09:50<gr33nmang0>radoo: do you know the 'root' password?
09:50<chealer>gr33nmang0: sorry, I thought I misunderstood you at first.
09:50<gr33nmang0>chealer: no problem
09:50<dude>these nvidia drivers suck
09:50<radoo>of course, i set it up :)
09:50<themill>just run a normal terminal and then run su -
09:50<gr33nmang0>radoo: now open gnome-terminal
09:51<gr33nmang0>radoo: and type command >> su -
09:51<gr33nmang0>include dash there
09:51<gr33nmang0>and then type root password
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09:51<gr33nmang0>chealer: what say?
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09:51<chealer>gr33nmang0: what do you mean?
09:52<radoo>also ">> su- *****"?
09:52<gr33nmang0>radoo: just type su -
09:52<radoo>oh: "su- *****"?
09:52<chealer>radoo: no, running su; will prompt you for the password
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09:52<radoo>ah, ok, ok got it
09:52<slinky>anymore brazilian?
09:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:53<gr33nmang0>radoo: just type su -
09:53<dpkg>well, in is India
09:53<slinky>anymore brazilian?
09:53<radoo>got it su- then pwd when prompted what next?
09:53<gr33nmang0>radoo: insert root password
09:53<chealer>radoo: run pppoeconf
09:54<gr33nmang0>radoo: you need to read that book I suggested...
09:54<chealer>radoo: you alreadyn ran pppoeconf?
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09:54<radoo>no, i must write all down, and reboot in debian- i am on windows now :)
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09:54<gr33nmang0>radoo: quit using windows for a month... and try hands on Debian The King....
09:55<gr33nmang0>radoo: you will use Debian for the rest of your life
09:55<radoo>i will read that book, you can be sure - exactly that'S the idea, to get rid of windows :)
09:55<chealer>radoo: oh. then you try answering the questions, and if all goes well you'll have an Internet connection at the end.
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09:56<radoo>unfortunatelly my work has to go on, and at least for a while- until i will get used a bit with linux- i'll have to have to work on windows :(
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09:57<radoo>ok, thank you very much for the help- i'm going to try to installl my internet connexion now- and if i'll be lucky, i'll come again to annoy you with questions again- but from debian this time :)
09:58<chealer>radoo: we're waiting for it.
09:58<radoo>see you again :) bye
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09:58<maxamillion>sorry for the flood .... but i saw a pro-debian conversation happening and get excited
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10:00<dpkg>shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte.
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10:04<bighornram>Do I have to "turn on" bluetooth to use it? hcitool says no device found.
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10:04<lupine_85>bighornram: you need to install a bluetooth stack, like bluez
10:05<lupine_85>apart from that, it should Just Work(tm)
10:05<lupine_85>(of course, you'll need to make sure your bluetooth dongle is working)
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10:12<radoo>hello again! unfortunatelly the "pppoeconf" command didn't work: "command not found"- maybe i missspelled it? is this pppoeconf"?
10:12<chealer>radoo: yes. it must not be installed.
10:12<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
10:12<Scurz>radoo: use aptitude or apt-get
10:12<dpkg>i heard aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>,
10:13<posix_>Why isn't 'auto eth0' set by default in 'interfaces', yet it comes up elsewhere?
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10:13<radoo>so: "aptitude -pppoeconf"? in a root-terminal?
10:14<Scurz>radoo: man aptitude ;)
10:14<Scurz>radoo: as root
10:14<chealer>radoo: no. what's your favorite package manager?
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10:14<radoo>my favorite what? i don't know...
10:14<chealer>radoo: install pppoeconf using synaptic.
10:14<radoo>i don't have one- it is the first time i touched linux...
10:14<Scurz>radoo: run a root terminal and use aptitude (read man aptitude for more information).
10:15<themill>radoo: are you in the habit of using aptitude or apt-get? if you have no preference, then use aptitude
10:15<seanius>maybe radoo would be more comfortable with a gui like synaptic
10:15<Scurz>radoo: but it exists packages managers like synaptic.
10:15<radoo>like "man aptitude" to get info and then further?
10:15<Scurz>radoo: try man aptitude
10:16<Scurz>radoo: you will see the result
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10:16<radoo>ok, i'm going again :)
10:16<chealer>Scurz: he's on Windows
10:16<radoo>thank you :)
10:16<radoo>probably be right back lol
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10:16<Scurz>chealer: he uses debian, no ?
10:17<chealer>Scurz: not at the moment, he's trying to make it usable.
10:17<Scurz>ah okay
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10:17<Scurz>I didn't know
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10:28<bighornram>how do I locate device for bluetooth?
10:30<gr33nmang0>bighornram: reattach your bluetooth device and then check " dmesg | tail " immediately
10:32<posix_>To anyone who has played with bootsplash, how would I stop it from staying as the console background after booting is complete?
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10:37<radoo>hello! again! but from debian this time :) thank you very much for the help :)
10:38<gr33nmang0>radoo: good
10:38<gr33nmang0>what you did?
10:38<radoo>what you told me :) pppoeconf- but i installed it from synaptic
10:39<radoo>now i have a question of course: how to install my nvidia drivers and change the refresh rate of the monitor?
10:40<radoo>just this one and then i'll to figure things out by myself and by reading that book you linked me with :)
10:41<gr33nmang0>I have no Idea about Nvidia and all .. I don't 32 bit onboard graphic card :(
10:41<gr33nmang0>I have 32 bit onboard graphic card
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10:42<maxamillion>anyone know if aptitude has an equivalent command to apt-get's dselect-upgrade option?
10:42<chealer>radoo: by nvidia drivers, your mean the 3D-accelerated video drivers, right?
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10:42<chealer>!tell radoo about nvidia
10:42<chealer>radoo: you're using Debian 4.0, right?
10:43<valdy>me too.
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10:44<gr33nmang0>!tell about nvidia drivers
10:44<radoo>somebody wrote me yesterday that nvidia one-liner command, but it is on a windows partition i can't mount :(
10:44<lrp>hey there any ideas about enable jre in firefox ?
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10:45<radoo>how can i ask dpkg about nvidia one-liner: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner like this?
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10:45<gr33nmang0>!nvidia one-liner
10:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
10:46<Vakio>radoo: yes.
10:47<gr33nmang0>radoo: where are you from?
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10:47<gr33nmang0>radoo: oh... good
10:47<chealer>lrp: do you mean iceweasel?
10:47<radoo>why? :)
10:48<gr33nmang0>radoo: just like that
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10:48<radoo>i've got this message:E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686
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10:48<gr33nmang0>radoo: you have synaptic installed... right?
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10:49<gr33nmang0>search there
10:49<radoo>ah, right...thank you
10:49<lrp>yes iceweasel
10:50<radoo>i found nvidia that what i need?
10:50<chealer>radoo: the one-liner is incomplete. use the guide.
10:50<chealer>lrp: which Debian suite do you use?
10:50<radoo>which guide?
10:50<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
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10:51<kop>I've got some hardware that seems to be broken with Linux but seems to work with 2.6.23-rc9. Does debian care? Do the kernel people care? If so, where do I tell them?
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10:52<chealer>!tell kop about bts
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10:53<bgat>hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. I'm starting the outline for a large documentation project, and I'm having trouble visualizing a way to be sure that all the topics I want to see covered are in fact covered. it's almost like a software requirements management problem. can anyone suggest a tool that could help?
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10:55<lrp>chealer, 4
10:55<lrp>chealer, im using 4 etch and i have all ready java5 installed but nothing he sayd install the missing plug in
10:55<Lounge>does compiz conflict beryl?
10:55<chealer>lrp: is sun-java5-plugin installed?
10:55<Lounge>if they're both installed?
10:56<chealer>Lounge: beryl was never in Debian
10:56<lupine_85>not officially, anyway :)
10:56<gr33nmang0>radoo: do you know " Ian Murdock "
10:56<lupine_85>but no conflicts AFAICR
10:57<lrp>chealer, no installing now
10:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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10:57<Lounge>ok thx for the 411
10:57<njende>Folks, has anyone got a clue of how to get a NIC SiS190 running? The testing installer doesnt like the far as I can tell...
10:58<radoo>no, who's he?
10:58<sqwob>i'm looking at something strange here, cpu usage for my user is peaking between 50% and 70% while my system isn't doing anything, and there are no visable processes that are using that much cpu
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10:59<Lounge>desktop-effects will not enable - probably because i already installed beryl
10:59<Lounge>and enabled it
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11:00<sqwob>i'd like to find out what causes the excessive cpu usages, how could i do that?
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11:01<blarson>sqwob: If it doesn't show on top, it could be many short-lived processes.
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11:02<sqwob>blarson: it doesn't :/ here is a screenshot:
11:02<sqwob>top nor atop display anything
11:05<chealer>radoo: do not send private messages without asking for permission first.
11:05<radoo>oh, sorry
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11:08<Dsjacocr>hello anyone knows how to install Debian 4.0lastest one with SATA hdd , with via8237a
11:09<kop>sqwob: If it's many short-lived processes then run "ps axw" and see what comes and goes rapidly. (I think there's a ps option that shows cpu too...)
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11:09<nowhereman>Dsjacocr: presumably as with any other hardware, did you encounter any error?
11:09<Dsjacocr>what kind of error ? with the cdrom ?
11:10<nowhereman>any kind
11:10<Dsjacocr>nowhereman: its not detecting the VIA Sata controller
11:10<Dsjacocr>Debian 4.0 its not working ok ?
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11:10<nowhereman>yes it is
11:11<Dsjacocr>so how can I fix that ?
11:11<nowhereman>partman doesn't show the disks?
11:12<lrp>hey how can i get toguether 3 files in to one
11:12<lrp>is not doing cat file1 file2 file3 > file.tgz ??
11:12<cahoot>why the tgz?
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11:14<Dsjacocr>nowhereman: do you know how can I fix this ?
11:14<nowhereman>not if you don't tell me what's happening, for sure
11:14<gr33nmang0>radoo: what do you want to do?
11:15<radoo>folow this installation:
11:15<Dsjacocr>nowhereman: let me check the logs
11:15<lrp>cahoot, the file was one but , was splitted
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11:15<lrp>in to 3 parts
11:16<lrp>i need to get in to one again
11:16<radoo>i am by "Use module-assistant"- and tried to run "m-a update" but i only got the message "m-a command not found"...
11:16<lrp>cahoot any idea?
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11:16<nowhereman>lrp: cat
11:16<lrp>cat file1 file2 fle3 > file1 ?
11:17<gr33nmang0>radoo: you have to do this first >> apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common
11:17<nowhereman>I'd say "cat file1 file2 file3 > file" to be able to check and do it again
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11:17<gr33nmang0>radoo: you just need to follow what is written there
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11:18<radoo>i did that, but nothing changes: this is what i did: alt-f2, su-, root pwd and then that comand
11:18<Dsjacocr>nowhereman: its related to this:
11:18<kop>Dsjacocr, nowhereman : FYI, FWIW. If it turns out that the stock kernel does not support the hardware, someone told me the other day to burn a lenny debian-live cd, boot from that, use debootstrap to install etch, copy a .deb of the new kernel from, and use chroot to install it. I did something similar (my problem was with the nic) and it worked.
11:18<SorenStoutner>radoo: Are you running "m-a update" as root?
11:19<radoo>wait, i misspeled it...sorry, now it worked...
11:19<kop>gr33nmang0: aptitude is preferred to apt-get. Among other things it does a better job of cleaning up unused dependencies.
11:19<gr33nmang0>type " m-<tab>" in gnome-terminal as a root
11:20<gr33nmang0>kop : yeah... I experienced it
11:20<nowhereman>kop: in fact it does the job and apt-get doesn't at all...
11:20<gr33nmang0>nowhereman: yeah
11:20<gr33nmang0>kop: but radoo is a n00b
11:20[~]lupine_85 huggles apt-get
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11:20<lrp>nowhereman, ???? cat file1 file2 fle3 > file1 ?
11:20<lupine_85>they don't mean it, my precious
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11:21<nowhereman>lrp: if you do that, your overwrite file1...
11:21<nowhereman>so no
11:21<lrp>nowhereman, okkokooko oi solve
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11:22<S|-|adow_h>algum brasileiro?
11:22<radoo>:( installation of the nvidia-kernel-kernel- source failed" :(
11:24<Dsjacocr>kop: is there any toher way to do it ?
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11:26<radoo>it is very very complicated...
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11:27<kop>Dsjacocr: The other way is to get the installer kernel to recognize the hardware. I'd guess that means passing the kernel a parameter on the command line. The url you posted suggests "doscsi" Read the linux-doc-2.6.* package kernel-parameters.txt file to check on what to use. Using debootstrap is not hard, I wouldn't think.
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11:28<nowhereman>I'd try the kernel parameter first
11:28<nowhereman>It's utterly simple in comparison
11:28<kop>Dsjacocr: Or you could install testing and live with not being 100% rock solid. (I prefer stable myself so was willing to go through the extra trouble.) yes, try the kernel parameter first.
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11:30<gr33nmang0>radoo: I don't know about nvidia thing....
11:30<radoo>:) me neither, i am trying to undertsnd something from that article there, but i don't even know what a kernel is
11:31<kop>Dsjacocr: Also, when you first run the installer press f2 or f3 or something like that. It will list some common kernel parameters. (You just type them after the first word that makes the installer boot.)
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11:31<dude>hello could someone tell me how i can define, HF/VF along side screen resolution.
11:32<kop>dude: For X or for the text console?
11:32<dude>for X
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11:34<kop>dude: Either muck with /etc/X11/xorg.conf or follow the instructions at the top of that file and run: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg (IIRC there's a tool that lets you mess around and see the results as they happen, but I forget what it is.)
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11:34<azeem>dude: are you sure you need that?
11:34<azeem>there's xvidtune
11:35<dude>kop, what i mean is define the HF/VF for each individual Resolution.
11:35<dude>my monitors playing up
11:35<radoo>how can i install a .run package?
11:35<azeem>radoo: you can't
11:35<dude>screens blured,
11:35<azeem>install .deb packages
11:35<kop>dude: I'm pretty sure that'd require editing xorg.conf. I'm sure there's a man page.
11:35<radoo>i can't?
11:35<Flimzy>I'm trying to get an onboard Intel video chip to work with my PCI GeForce for a multi-head display. However, when I boot with the intel board as primary (necessary to load its vidoe BIOS), the machine hangs during boot right after reporting that ACPI is using IOAPIC for IRQ routing. Does anyone have any bright ideas how this might be fixed, aside from just disabling ACPI (which does work, incidentally)?
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11:36<azeem>radoo: what package is it in particular?
11:36<dude>kop yeah i can do that whats the syntax i mean?
11:36<radoo> this one- and there is a explanation by step 3 i can't follow
11:36<dude>kop, man pages cant understand them most of the time, mat aswell be blind reading that shit
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11:36<azeem>radoo: you can install nvidia via .deb
11:36<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
11:37<Dsjacocr>kop: i try the doscsi but did not work
11:37<radoo>i just tried that, but it didn't least the first method from the 4 there are there...and the other 3 are for another liga then myself, meaning i don't undesrtand a thing from it...
11:38<witte>!nvidia one-liner
11:38<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
11:38<kop>dude: Dunno. Probably make separate monitor sections for each h/vsync freq, and separate screen sections for each resolution and combine them like you like in separate server sections. Then I don't know what you do to say which server section is used. Maybe there's another way. Dunno.
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11:39<dude>kop, i know it goes someting like "1600x1200_60.0?????
11:39<dude>cant remeber the correct syntaxing
11:39<radoo>when i typed "m-a auto-install nvidia" i got the message that the installation failed...
11:39<kop>dude: I'd say you'll have to force yourself to rtfm.
11:40<azeem>radoo: pastbin the entire output
11:40<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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11:40<radoo>where do i find the output? it was a blue window with no possibility of copy/paste....
11:41<Dsjacocr>Kop: so how can I sinstall it ?
11:41<azeem>why no possiblity?
11:41<radoo>oh, never mind, i'll do that again and the pastebin it...
11:41<azeem>radoo: did you run it in X?
11:41<radoo>in x?what is that?
11:41<azeem>the graphical interface
11:41<azeem>radoo: what graphics card do you have?
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11:41<kop>Dsjacocr: You may have to go the debian-live route so you've a newer kernel running when you do the install.
11:41<radoo>nvidia 8800 gtx
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11:42<radoo>what is the debian live-route?
11:42<azeem>radoo: kop was talking to Dsjacocr, not you
11:42<radoo>oh, sorry :)
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11:43<radoo>what i did: alt-f2, su, and then just folowed all the steps in that article...
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11:44<radoo>there is a x-terminal by aplications...should i run everything from it instead?
11:44<azeem>what do you mean with "by aplications"?
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11:44<azeem>are you running Gnome or KDE?
11:45<azeem>so why do you need to install the nvidia driver anyway?
11:45<radoo>i think- it is my second boot in linux, i changed nothing, so i think it is gnome...
11:45<kop>Dsjacocr: It's less than 90MB at
11:45<azeem>is the Applications menu on the top or the bottom of the screen?
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11:46<radoo>i want to be able to change the refresh rate of the card- i have a 22' monitor and with 61hz is like killing my eyes...
11:46<Flimzy>Are there any possible ill effects from disabling ACPI, other than losing power saving capabilities?
11:46<radoo>of the monitor- the refresh rate of the monitor i meant...
11:46<radoo>at the bottom
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11:46<azeem>why do you think changing the graphics driver will change the monitor refresh rate?
11:47<azeem>radoo: what does "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | tail -1" say?
11:47<azeem>run it in a gnome-terminal
11:47<radoo>because i assumed that's why i have a bad refresh rate- because the drivers aren't ok...
11:47<azeem>radoo: why didn't you ask your real question then?
11:47<radoo>sorry, i am a totally noob: what is this, a command: "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | tail -1"
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11:48<azeem>yes, I said you should run it in a gnome-terminal
11:48<radoo>ah, ok...ok, i'll try it all again
11:48<radoo>a gnome terminal or an x terminal? are thay the same?
11:48<Dsjacocr>Kop: where do i download the latest debian live ?
11:49<radoo>now i opened an x terminal- a black one
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11:49<kop>Dsjacocr: It's less than 90MB at
11:49<kop>Dsjacocr: That's the lenny (testing) version. Smallest one. Once you boot you
11:50<radoo>applications>debian>xshells>gnome terminal or applications>debian>xshells>xterm?
11:50<azeem>radoo: what did I say?
11:50<kop>Dsjacocr: (sorry) you'll need to "aptitude install" things to do anything. Probably you'll want to install less to read man pages and debootstrap to use that to install onto your hd. If it works you can come back here for help.
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11:50<radoo>first you said x terminal, then gnome terminal
11:51<azeem>I never said anything about x terminal
11:51<azeem>you did
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11:51<azeem>but anyway, they're functionally equivalent for our purpose
11:51<azeem>it's just annoying that we're held up at this point
11:52<radoo>you said "did you run it in X?" sorry, didn't understand it i'll try again in the gnome
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11:53<kop>Dsjacocr: (That's if it boots you can come back here. We'll check to see if it sees your hard drive.)
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11:53<kop>Dsjacocr: The other alternative is running lenny (testing). It's something to consider.
11:54<maxamillion>or sid
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11:55<maxamillion>sid is pretty much stable enough for daily desktop use ... i have actually ran a testing grounds server on sid with minimal issues
11:55<witte>maxamillion: you should not advise people sid: they find out by themselves or do not want to use it...
11:55<maxamillion>witte: ah ... fair enough
11:55<witte>maxamillion: pretty much usually gets newbies very frustrated ;-)
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11:56<witte>maxamillion: I use sid on my home pc, but at work I would rather not be spending half a day fixing X
11:56<maxamillion>witte: same here ... i'm actually at work now running etch
11:57<witte>!tell radoo about non-free
11:57<azeem>yeah, you're missing non-free most likely
11:57<witte>maxamillion: lenny here ;-)
11:57<azeem>radoo: you haven't reported on the command I told you to run yet, though
11:57<maxamillion>witte: oooo, dangerous :P
11:58<witte>maxamillion: I work at a univ, time is more flexible here ;-)
11:58<maxamillion>witte: so do i actually ... i'm a student and part time server admin for the campus computer department
11:58<fairch>What is the latest version of java that one can run on a powerpc G3 and how can one get it? Why can't I install the sun-java that appears in the Synaptic package manager?
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11:59<maxamillion>speaking of ... i have class ... gotta run
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11:59<manou>hello, bad news.... my mom is dead :(
11:59<manou>anybody ?
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11:59<azeem>manou: this is a Debian support channel. My condolences, though
12:00<manou>thanks azeem
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12:00<Dsjacocr>KOP: i reive this link
12:00<manou>i want to go to freenode i am usung bithx
12:00<manou>in 0 is
12:01<kop>Dsjacocr: ?
12:01<radoo>sorry, azeem, i tried to aplly that command but it makes nothing
12:02<manou>perdon, mi hermana no me deja en paz
12:02<azeem>radoo: then report that
12:02<manou>ni a mi ni a mimadre
12:02<Dsjacocr>How can I burn the lastest 4.0
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12:02<radoo>i am in a gnome terminal and wrote: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | tail -1, but nothing changes...
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12:02<azeem>radoo: what does it say without the "| tail -1"
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12:03<Dsjacocr>KOP: ok I found how to
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12:04<kop>Dsjacocr: Ah. Good idea. I didn't know that had installer cds with newer kernels.
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12:07<witte>radoo: you are currently using the vesa driver
12:08<witte>radoo: that is not the most advanced open source driver for the nvidia cards
12:08<Dsjacocr>KOP: hopefully this will work
12:08<azeem>radoo: then you did something wrong with "| tail -1"
12:08<radoo>yes, how can i change that? i mean, i have a graphic card that costed over 500 euro and it works like a 23 euro one..
12:09<azeem>radoo: when did you buy it?
12:09<Dsjacocr>KOP: that iso is suppose to have only changed the Kernel and not other stuff right?
12:09<radoo>in february or march or so...
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12:09<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
12:09<witte>radoo: 500 euro? wow, that is more than my pc's new
12:09<azeem>radoo: ^^ read that and change the Driver to "nv"
12:09<azeem>then see whether that is better
12:10<azeem>I'm not sure nv supports your chip, though
12:10<witte>radoo: and with the list of resolutions, do not forget to select some higher resolutions
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12:11<yotta>so, raid question
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12:11<radoo>i selected the maximum res for my monitor too- 1900/1400
12:11<yotta>is there any way to deal with device names changing?
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12:11<yotta>I have 4 SATA drives, and need to replace the third one
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12:11<yotta>which will cause /dev/sdd to become /dev/sdc
12:12<yotta>and that confuses the raid stuff
12:12<selene>como hago para que mi teclado usb funcione en el promt de grub para iniciar debian
12:12<yotta>any way to fix it?
12:12<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
12:12<selene>en el sistema operativo lo agarra pero cuando inicia no
12:12<azeem>radoo: try something conservative like 1024x768 at the beginning
12:12<azeem>if that works fine, you can ramp it up
12:12<jimmypw>have we any grub guru's about?
12:12<witte>yotta: it could be that you could do that with udev?
12:13<azeem>jimmypw: just ask your real question
12:13<yotta>well, i should have used udev names by drive serial in the first place :/
12:13<yotta>but that doesn't help me now.
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12:14<jimmypw>azeem: dont worry i think ive just spotted the answer
12:14<witte>yotta: don't really know, just used udev for network cards in a similar way
12:15<fairch>Hi, can someone answer a question about installing java on an iBook?
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12:16<kop>Dsjacocr: That's how I read the web page.
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12:16<witte>fairch: you said you could not install the sun-java from synaptic? any error messages?
12:17<Guest881>does anyone speak german??
12:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, freenode or
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12:17<fairch>witte: yes, it says that there dependencies that cannot be installed.
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12:17<witte>fairch: my cristal ball is the dry cleaners today
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12:17<radoo>it asks me about the card's bus identifier- what is that?where should i have that info from?
12:18<witte>fairch: paste the errors in a pastebin
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12:18<fairch>witte: I don't know how to do that. I'm quite new to all this.
12:18<azeem>radoo: hit enter on all questions except for the Driver one, where you put in nv
12:18<witte>!tell fairch about pastebin
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12:19<witte>fairch: select the error you get from the failed attempt for the install, and paste it there
12:19<witte>fairch: (with there one of the links dpkg told you ;-))
12:19<kop>I'm running kde on etch. Sometimes the ctrl-b key seems to stop doing anything in the kde terminal window. What happens and how can I fix this?
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12:20<kop>(reset does not help)
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12:22<radoo>well, what now?should i restart something?
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12:23<witte>radoo: you should restart your graphic environment: ctrl - alt - backspace
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12:23<yotta>silly me
12:23<yotta>i can just freaking mknod /dev/sdd as a clone of /dev/sdc
12:23<radoo>ok, will everything here go away? i mean- all it was written here and so on?
12:24<themill>kop: that should ring the bell. Does tab completion sometimes do the same thing? Perhaps try visual bell Settings -> Bell -> visible.
12:24<witte>radoo: yes
12:24<witte>radoo: unless you run in bitchx in a screen environment or a consoel
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12:25<radoo>ok, the i must save eveyrthing first...what is a bitchx...or a screen enviroment?
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12:25<witte>radoo: bitchx is a irc client, and if you do not know what screen is, you are not using it
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12:26<radoo>lol ok, got it i'll be right back
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12:33<witte>ok, I have to go, radoo is taking a long time to restart X :-(
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12:35<radoo>hello!agin in windows because i can't acces debian only in text mode anymore- the x server failed
12:35<JasonS>radoo: you can still get here on debian though
12:36<radoo>what do you mean? i am in windows now
12:36<radoo>i had to reboot to windows
12:36<JasonS>radoo: yes but you dont need x to get on irc for help
12:36<dkr>he is saying it is opssible to use the system without X
12:36<dkr>what was the error?
12:37<radoo>i don't get it- if only the driver installation of a video card- a damm good one- takes so long and makes such problems- it is really frustrating
12:37<lupine_85>"irssi -s" ftw
12:37<fairch>Hi JasonS: thanks for your help yesterday - I did finally get Debian installed on my iBook, and I'm typing to you using it!
12:37<JasonS>fairch: nice, although i doubt i did much :)
12:37<radoo>i can't work in text mode :(
12:37<lupine_85>course you can
12:37<JasonS>radoo: sure you can, its just different is all
12:38<radoo>i don't know a thing about linux- i even have problems to find the shut-down botton on it
12:38<lupine_85>"shutdown now" <-- command-line version
12:38<kop>themill: Actually, I'm using emacs keybindings so ctrl-b is supposed to move the cursor one char left. The tab key does ring the bell.
12:38<JasonS>radoo: seriously being here on debian even on cmd line will make it easier for you and us to resolve teh problem
12:38<fairch>JasonS: I had to do the whole reinstall all over again to get around the keyboard mistake I made, and then I had to run the dpkg-reconfigure to redo the video settings, but finally, it does work.
12:39<radoo>ok, how? i'll reboot to debian, but how can i connect then to chatzilla?
12:39<lupine_85>to what?
12:39<kop>themill: If I open a new terminal I get ctrl-b back in that window.
12:39<radoo>i am here on chanel via chatzilla
12:39<JasonS>radoo: dont use chatzilla use a term irc client like irssi
12:39<kop>radoo: You can use a command line irc client, irc, or bitchx or irssi.
12:40<radoo>can you plase tell me that one :) i'll write it down and try to get back to you
12:40<lupine_85>of course, you'll need to apt-get install said package before you can use it
12:40<kop>radoo: aptitude install irssi ; irssi -c then do /join #debian
12:41<kop>radoo: Actually, you want to do the install as root, but run irssi as you.
12:41<kop>radoo: You become root with "su -", then leave it with "exit".
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12:41<radoo>ok, i'll be back in a couple of minutes, because of course it won't get from the first attampt- i am sure i'll do something wrong :)
12:42<JasonS>well at least you have a positive attitude ;)
12:42<radoo>:) well, i want to be able to understand debian
12:42<azeem>radoo: nvidia does not release information about its graphics cards to Linux programmers
12:42<radoo>it is a challenge and i take it like one
12:42<azeem>it's not Linux' fault that you've got trouble
12:43<kop>radoo: That's what makes new "good" video card bad. They keep secrets so you cant use the card you bought.
12:44<radoo>i didn't said i think linux is behind this trouble just to make my life a misery :) i know about the politic of nvidia and other big corporation and of course i don't approve it...but i can't help not to be a bit, a little bit frustrated...
12:44<radoo>ok, i'll go for that text mode :)
12:44<azeem>radoo: what resolution did you select?
12:44<radoo>see ya in a minute :) hopefully
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12:46<kop>themill: The menu says it's using the "system bell", and there's no keyboard shortcuts for ctrl-b in the terminal config. And I don't see anything wierd in stty (could be wrong.)
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12:48<kop>I should probably just ditch kde like I ditched gnome and go to something else, but what? I want workspaces where I can drag stuff from one to the next with the mouse, or bump the screen edge and go there.
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12:49<error3>hello :-)
12:50<ErJeDi>hi error3
12:51<Supaplex>error3: hello, No such process.
12:51<lrp>hey ther any 1 can give me a hand on this ? i need that directory to get published but it give me forbidden
12:51<Supaplex>perl -e '$!=3;die $!' :)
12:52<error3>héhé :)
12:52<lrp>!dpkg tell about dpkg
12:52<Supaplex>lrp: have you checked the error log?
12:52<lrp>Supaplex, let me see
12:54<lrp>Supaplex, permissions deny server access
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12:54<error3>lrp: does your tomcat has the permissions to read on ?
12:54<lrp>error3, let me see
12:54<error3>check the user/group of the directory
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12:55<nowhereman>or the ACL
12:55<error3>yes nor acl
12:55<Supaplex>there's always selinux to. :P
12:55<error3>yes of course ;)
12:55<Supaplex>I remember debugging that sort of issue. I'm like "Uh... it's running as root. what the .."
12:56<lrp>chmod r /directory ?
12:56<Supaplex>!tell lrp -about grounding
12:56<Supaplex>lrp: more like chmod o+rx /directory
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12:56<lrp>yes i solve the trouble using chown
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12:56<lrp>now i have some question
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12:57<lrp>about view some extension
12:57<fairch>I have a problem installing java on an iBook- when I try to install from the Synaptic package mananger, I get an error message that says that sun-java-jre depends: sun-java5-bin (=1.5.0-10-3) but it is not installable (!) ?? what's up with that?!
12:57<Supaplex>lrp: the uid of the webserver should own as little as possible.
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12:57<radoo>hi again!from windows...i was in irssi- but not sure i was in #debian...i saw just a generic message from that piece of software- when i did "do /join #debian" nothing happened...
12:58<error3>fairch: on stable ?
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12:58<lrp>Supaplex, dont understand (you mean www-data must not own too many files ?)_
12:58<Supaplex>!+depends sun-java-jre etch
12:58<fairch>error3: I'm using etch
12:58<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
12:58<dpkg>Package 'sun-java-jre' does not exist.
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12:59<radoo>should i type something more in order to join #debian in irssi?
12:59<error3>radoo: /join #debian
12:59<error3>without 'do'
12:59<Eulex>radoo, you're already here?
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12:59<Supaplex>lrp: yes, it's a security hazard. www-data can read/search (via the "other" category/permissions) just fine.
13:00<radoo>lol, i was sure it won't get from the first attempt
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13:00<fairch>dpkg: what is it that you're saying about "does not exist?"
13:00<dpkg>fairch: I think you lost me on that one
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13:00<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:00<radoo>ok, i'll try again see ya in a minute ..eulex, i am here already...from windows :)
13:00<lrp>Supaplex, what i did whas fine ?
13:00<Eulex>fairch, sun-java5-jre/sun-java6-jre
13:00<Eulex>radoo, oh, ok
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13:00<Supaplex>lrp: you said chown fixed it. who's owning what now?
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13:01<kara_maske> sfsfs _PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT__PiLoTT_
13:01<DJ^^^> sfsfs nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132nick17132
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13:01<USLU> sfsfs pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^pokemon^^
13:01<KMYGR__26> sfsfs Benimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBenimle_CikarmisinBeni
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13:01<kara_maske> sfsfs melikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelikemelike
13:01<DJ^^^> sfsfs tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33tunahan33
13:01<sevtuana> sfsfs GrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrandGrand
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13:01<murat_-> sfsfs CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__CirkinBOY__Ci
13:01<KMYGR__26> sfsfs emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emrah31707emra
13:01<KMYGR__26> sfsfs teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teoman28^^teom
13:01<^SIRIN^^YER^^> sfsfs sevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgimsevvgim
13:01<sine> sfsfs teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_20^^teoman_2
13:01<sevtuana> sfsfs ^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben^^__^^__oben
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13:01<sine> sfsfs spratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratlyspratly
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13:01<kara_maske> sfsfs cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir47686cakir476
13:01<USLU> sfsfs duygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeniduygudeni
13:01<DJ^^^> sfsfs erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-erol_-
13:01<KMYGR__26> sfsfs hakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30mhakan30m
13:01<murat_-> sfsfs ^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^enigma^^^^e
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13:01<^SIRIN^^YER^^> sfsfs malborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalborolhtmalbor
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13:01<DJ^^^> sfsfs warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^warrior^^
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13:01<sevtuana> sfsfs Blu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluEBlu_BluE
13:01<error3>!ban them
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13:01<Supaplex>!ops bots bots bots
13:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: bots bots bots
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13:03<lupine_85>lol, fail
13:03<JasonS>well that was fun
13:03<error3>thnx for the +m
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13:04<Supaplex>lrp: you said chown fixed it. who's owning what now?
13:04<lrp>www-data is now the owner of that file besides root
13:04|-|mentor changed nick to Guest883
13:04<lrp>now im seeking how to view jps files in my web server
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13:04<lrp>i friend told me to use comcat but i dont know how to add that to my webserver
13:05<Supaplex>lrp: there's only one owner per file. (acls not included)
13:05<lupine_85>www-data:root == user www-data, group root
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13:06<Supaplex>yes, one primary owner. groups are secondary.
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13:08<error3>lrp: tomcat is an application server
13:08<error3>to get forward from you apache to your tomcat
13:08<radoo>hi :) it is a nightmare- no irssi told me i can't join #debian because i'm banned :)
13:09<weasel>radoo: you are in #debian.
13:09<error3>you can use proxy module
13:09<weasel>radoo: if you want to be banned that can be arranged tho :)
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13:09<error3>or somethink like that
13:09<radoo>yeah, from windows again :) lol
13:09<weasel>radoo: did you try to come here as 'root'?
13:09<error3>lrp: or if you do only jsp, you can use tomcat only
13:10<error3>radoo: didn't it says that the channel was in invite mode only ?
13:10<error3>there was an attack here few minutes ago
13:10<error3>just after you left
13:10<radoo>i don't know- i was doing what i was told: su>password>install irssi;irssi -c flolowed by /join #debian
13:11<radoo>what you mean by an attack?
13:11<error3>radoo: flooder
13:11<error3>radoo: well so you try to join as root if you did su before irssi
13:11<Vakio>radoo: < kop> radoo: Actually, you want to do the install as root, but run irssi as you.
13:11<radoo> can i change that?
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13:12<error3>delog yourself after installed it
13:12<Vakio>radoo: type "exit" or press ctrl-d
13:12<error3>be as non-superuser
13:12<error3>erf ^^
13:12<error3>many ways :-)
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13:13<radoo>but i am in irssi after that..oh, you mean su>aptitude install irssi- then delog- then irssi -c etc?
13:13<kop>Vakio: I told him, just not on the same line.
13:13<error3>radoo yes
13:13<weasel>radoo: you already have irssi installed, so you probably don't need to install it again
13:13<radoo>sorry kop, i missunderstood that :)
13:13<weasel>radoo: just run irssi as a normal user, not as superuser (root)
13:14<error3>weasel: ice ?
13:14<error3>... sorry...
13:14<radoo>oh, ok :) good to know...ok brb in a minute :) hopefully
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13:15<Vakio>kop: I know you did, but I didn't feel like searching for that line when I could tell it myself :P
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13:16<aptituz>hmm. somebody ever had the problem that the metacity window decorations are defect? in detail: the buttons on the right side (to close, min and maximize) are missing and the left side is in the middle of the window bar. it is sid. any ideas?
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13:17<error3>aptituz: bad theme ?
13:17<error3>hi again radoo
13:17<radoo>ok, i am in text mode in debian- what should i do next in order to install the video card?
13:18<aptituz>error3: independed from the theme
13:18<aptituz>I'm also having problem with the appearance dialog, but I could fix that by a quick hacked patch
13:18<error3>oh... I've never experience such a problem :-/
13:19<error3>and I'm in sid too
13:19<Eulex>aptituz, I'd expect problems while in a transition
13:20<radoo>can't i simply use that driver nvidia has on their site?
13:20<aptituz>Eulex: yeah, but that doesn't mean that nobody could have the same problem and a possible workaround, hu?
13:20<Eulex>aptituz, indeed; I'd check the bts.
13:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
13:20<kop>I'm using "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo" to zero a partition and it's taking longer than expected. I thought the default bs was 512 and that's the right thing to use on a hd, but should I use a different block size? I'm not doing something stupid like writing a block for every input char? (vmstat has lots of blocks read in.)
13:20<aptituz>radoo: you could. but it is a lot more work, so why would you want that?
13:21<aptituz>Eulex: heh.. the question is, for which package?
13:21<radoo>i just tried that article and didn't work
13:21<aptituz>metacity? hmm. i'm unsure
13:21<weasel>radoo: what didn't work?
13:21<Eulex>aptituz, metacity or the package that contains the theme in question?
13:21<kop>radoo: If you're new to linux, it's a bad idea to use anything except what's packaged with your distro. Otherwise it's like you're back on MS Windows doing all the system integration yourself.
13:21<aptituz>it is _not_ a theme problem
13:21<Eulex>aptituz, metacity then
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13:22<radoo>well, nothing- somebody here identified the problem as somehow related to non free drivers or something like this- then i changed the xorg.conf file and now i can enter debian only in text mode
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13:22<Eulex>radoo, what did you change in your xorg.conf?
13:22<weasel>so undo whatever you did?
13:23<Eulex>or at least fix it.
13:23<radoo>i changed only the "vesa" to "nv" flag (?) can i call that a flag?
13:23<aptituz>Eulex: i already had a quick look at metacity bts today, but i will look deeper.
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13:23<weasel>radoo: change it back to vesa?
13:23<Eulex>radoo, vesa is not a non-free driver.
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13:23<aptituz>Eulex: just hoped, somebody in here had the same problem and could point it out to me:)
13:23<radoo>how? i could do it if i was in gui, but i am in text mode...
13:24<weasel>radoo: with an editor, son
13:24<error3>radoo: emacs !!!
13:24<weasel>radoo: nano should be easy for beginners
13:24<Supaplex>!start an editor war
13:24<dpkg>joe users are really backwards
13:24<error3>yes nano is cool :-)
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13:24<weasel>error3: I strongly disagree. I think it's worse than ed
13:24<kop>radoo: Nano is easiest for beignners because it tells you what to type at the bottom of the screen.
13:24<weasel>radoo: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root
13:24<error3>weasel: I've never tried ed :-)
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13:25<weasel>error3: ed is nice. it's The Editor after all
13:25<error3>weasel: but sed is also cool :-)
13:25<error3>great troll ^^
13:25<radoo>so, what should i do?quit irrsi, su>install nano and then what you just wrote?
13:25<weasel>radoo: switch to a different console and log in as root, or as your user and then su
13:25<weasel>radoo: use Alt + F1 (F2, F3, F4...) to switch
13:26<kop>radoo: However, you should join ether the vi or emacs religion and use one of those for serious work. I prefer emacs, but you need to remember one thing. Hold down the control key, then press the x (lower case) key, then hold down the control key and press 'c'. That's how you get out.
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13:26<radoo>lol thanx
13:27<Supaplex>they should make more spoofs like the "Switch to Linux" swf, but for various "camps". distros, editors, window managers ...
13:27<Dsjacocr>How can I create a Software Raid ? on DEbian 4.0 when Im installing ?
13:27<Dsjacocr>or how can I do it ?
13:27<Supaplex>Dsjacocr: I belive that's in the install guide.
13:27<kop>Dsjacocr: You got the installer to recognize your drive?!
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13:27<Supaplex>!tell Dsjacocr -about i-g
13:28<error3>Dsjacocr: you can also read the debian-instller wiki page
13:28<aptituz>ah.. nano is big bullshit, but for beginners its probably the best they can get ;)
13:28<error3>all is there :-)
13:28<Dsjacocr>error3: where is that link ?
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13:28<error3>then search for debian-installer
13:29<weasel>(and yes, I do prefer ed over nano)
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13:29<error3>aptituz: yea... but it's also faster than emacs to launch for me... so when I have really little modifications to do on a file, it's cool... But I don't use it when I really have hard work to do
13:29<kop>weasel: That only proves you use vi. :)
13:29<aztec101>can some one recommend something other that virtualmin/webmin for virtual hostin set ups
13:29<kop>error3: If you want a fast small emacs use mg. Very cool.
13:29<error3>aztec101: ssh :D ?
13:30<aptituz>error3: i don't like emacs. its to big for what i use editors for. so: i don't have the problem.
13:30<radoo>what i see now is an empty file...and i think it shouldn't be ampty..
13:30<weasel>kop: heh
13:30<Myon>and vi
13:30<error3>kop: ok I keep it in mind
13:30<weasel>radoo: what did you type?
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13:30<radoo>nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
13:30<kop>error3: (Also, if you're starting emacs up then you're using it wrong. It's one of those things you just leave running, like a browser.)
13:30<weasel>radoo: I didn't tell you to type that
13:30<weasel>Thu 20:24:45 <weasel> radoo: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root
13:30<Myon>hmm, 60% of the mg description is pointes to packages that do the same thing
13:30<weasel>radoo: I told you to type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:31<Supaplex>kop: emacs is a browser? I thought it was only an OS
13:31<weasel>radoo: there's a difference.
13:31<Dsjacocr>KOP: YES either with ubuntu Server 7 or with the new Debian eth
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13:31<error3>kop: yep but I don't keep my laptop on power every time
13:31<error3>I shutdown it several times a day
13:31<weasel>radoo: exit nano and try again
13:31<aptituz>hm.. also it seems as if key repetition is no default in gnome currently
13:31<kop>Myon: Yeah, but mg seems to be the best at what it does, which is being small.
13:32<aztec101>aptituz: was thinking more something along the lines of Cpanel but not quite
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13:32<aptituz>i don't understand that
13:33<error3>weasel: fun link ;-)
13:33<aztec101>aptituz: sorry associated reply to wrong person LOL
13:33<radoo>how do i restart now x?
13:33<aptituz>could you explain your sentence to not-so-dumb daus?
13:33<aptituz>oh. okay.
13:33<weasel>radoo: probably /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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13:33<weasel>radoo: change back with Ctrl+Alt+F1
13:33<aptituz>grmbl. mail-notification keeps telling that there is no mail app configured, while in fact mutt is configured
13:33<aztec101>error3: was thinking more something along the lines of Cpanel but not quite
13:33<kop>radoo: You can type 'startx'. To stop it hold down control, alt, and backspace all at once.
13:34<aptituz>.oO( today is a bug reporting day )
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13:34<kop>My dd is taking too long. Should I have supplied a block size?
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13:35<dondelelcaro>kop: that may have made it faster, but you can send it a USR1 to see where it's at
13:35<dondelelcaro>kop: it may be that stoping it with a bigger bs will take longer
13:36<trash45>Hi, I want to mount a filesystem (with an entry in /etc/fstab) but there are blank characters in the path of the mounting point, how can I do that ?
13:37<weasel>trash45: quote the argument to mount, as always
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13:37<weasel>trash45: mount "/media/my elite new quad layer dvd"
13:37<error3>in fstab
13:37<weasel>trash45: fstab probably cannot take this however.
13:37<trash45>if I quote then I have this : [mntent]: line 15 in /etc/fstab is bad
13:37<weasel>"so don't do that"
13:38<error3>try to escape the string trash45
13:38<kop>dondelelcaro: Thanks. Maybe I'll just eat lunch instead. But still, what's the right bs to use for hard drives. I thought it was 512b.
13:38<error3>with \
13:38<weasel>or, you could read the manual
13:38<weasel> If
13:38<weasel> the name of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as
13:38<weasel> `\040'.
13:38<weasel>says man fstab
13:38<error3>like This\ is\ a\ very\ long\ directory
13:38<weasel>but I guess reading that is a very stupid idea
13:38<trash45>I tried with escape characters but same error : [mntent]: line 15 in /etc/fstab is bad
13:38<error3>great weasel:-)
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13:39<trash45>mmm I will try \040, thank you weasel
13:40<trash45>it works ! thank you ! :)
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13:40<weasel>stupid idea, that reading the manpage
13:40<weasel>I guess radoo managed to get his X working
13:40<radoo_>how can you tell that O_o
13:41<weasel>because you are using the broken mozilla chat client now
13:41<weasel>indeed, you are.
13:41<radoo_>but....not somebody took my nickname :) nevermind i can live with another one
13:41<weasel>radoo_: you yourself took your nickname
13:41<weasel>radoo_: that irssi or yours is still running you know
13:42<radoo_>how?i restarted the system...:/
13:42<weasel>then the client will time out soon
13:42<error3>well so it's a ghost :-)
13:42<radoo_>how can i fix that?
13:42<weasel>you'll have to wait. you didn't register your nickname
13:42<error3>radoo just wait
13:43<radoo_>ok...but in the mean time, can you help me installing that nvidia pain?
13:43<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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13:43<weasel>read that link.
13:43<radoo_>i did that
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13:43<weasel>reread it
13:43<error3>and when you've finished
13:43<error3>read it again... in case...
13:44<radoo_>ok, i'll try again :)
13:45<sheldonh>how happy can a man be? kitchensync-3.5.7 from etch backports syncs my contacts between kontact and my phone *beam*
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13:46<radoo>can you post that astebin link again please?
13:46<radoo>i mean pastebin?
13:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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13:47<fairch>was there some kind of cyber attack on this channel about an hour ago?
13:47<weasel>hah. "cyber attack"
13:48<weasel>it was just a silly kid trying to compensate for too small body parts
13:48<weasel>probably brain or something
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13:48<JasonS>fairch: just children flooding
13:48<weasel>radoo: how does your sources.list look like?
13:48<radoo>what are those?how can i find them?
13:49<error3>radoo: have you done what it tells you ?
13:49<weasel>radoo: step 0
13:49<error3>radoo /etc/apt/sources.list
13:49<fairch>I had asked about java on an iBook a little earlier today - anyone have any insight into why the Synaptic pkg mgr would be saying that "it is not installable"?
13:49<radoo>yes, i did all of that- the first method anyway...installed and updated
13:50<weasel>radoo: you did "0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult sources.list(5) manpage for help on doing this)"
13:50<weasel>radoo: are you sure?
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13:50<radoo>no, wait
13:51<Myon>fairch: (Sun's) java is only available for i386 and amd64
13:51<error3>fairch: well.. perhaps it's an old package because it is not in repositories
13:51<error3>just try sun-java5-jre
13:51<error3>be sure to have up-to-date sources :-)
13:52<chealer>fairch: which package exactly?
13:52<chealer>oh, as Myon wrote
13:52<radoo>no, you're right, that i didn't make- because i don't understand a thing from it- what manpage?
13:52<sheldonh>the classic newbie mistake with java is to not include non-free
13:52<weasel>radoo: the soruces.list manpage.
13:52<weasel>radoo: man sources.list
13:52<radoo>ok wait
13:52<error3>radoo: please document yourself on basis of the debian system
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13:53<error3>usage of apt and co...
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13:54<chealer>radoo: you can try software-properties too. In synaptic, configuration -> repositoties, replace occurences of "main" by "main contrib non-free"
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13:54<radoo>ok, thank you- should i still paste the content of that list?
13:54<fairch>Myon: if Sun's java is only available for i386 and amd64, what's an iBook body to do?
13:54<chealer>radoo: if you're unsure, go ahead.
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13:55<radoo>i am very unsure...
13:55<Myon>buy a i386-based ibook 8-)
13:55<weasel>Myon: a what?
13:55<chealer>sheldonh: but that doesn't result in "the Synaptic pkg mgr would be saying that "it is not installable""
13:55<error3>radoo: nvidia isn't on dvd
13:55<Myon>$collegue as an ... amd64 one I think
13:56<error3>dvd contains only free software
13:56<chealer>radoo: hum, you have no Debian mirror in there.
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13:56<Myon>it's white with an apple, no idea about further details
13:56<radoo>what should i do?
13:56<error3>add a mirror ^^
13:56<sheldonh>chealer: i think it will, if some package depends on it, but it isn't included
13:56<weasel>radoo: you should probably remove the cdrom line, enable the security line, and add a normal http mirror line for the debian archive
13:56<weasel>radoo: I'm sure that's documented somewhere
13:56<dpkg>debian mirrors is probably or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
13:56<weasel>there for instance
13:56<weasel>apt-setup may be interesting too
13:57<chealer>sheldonh: main packages don't depends on contrib or non-free packages.
13:57<weasel>Myon: ibooks are ppc. maybe you mean macbooks
13:57<sheldonh>chealer: but contribs depend on non-free
13:57<chealer>weasel: except that it's only a udeb for >=etch
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13:57<sheldonh>chealer: so i think you'd get that if you included contrib but not non-free (not that that's a smart idea). no?
13:57<Myon>I thought macs were m68k
13:57<weasel>chealer: that's a shame
13:57[~]dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
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13:58<chealer>sheldonh: right, but indeed that must be unusual
13:58<radoo>i removed the dvd line- but how can i enable the security line and add a mirror- copy paste any url?
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13:58<error3>radoo: remove #
13:59<sheldonh>chealer: if you don't read the reference manual, it's quite easy to assume that contrib is good and non-free is bad :)
13:59<chealer>weasel: yeah. I'll have to check but maybe either apt-spy/netselect/software-properties can help him.
13:59<weasel>radoo: please try to find out for yourself. it has already been mentioned partly, and secondly you should learn to find out these things
13:59<weasel>radoo: like google for "sources.list" or something
13:59<radoo>ok, sorry to be a pain :) thank you for your help, it was really great
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13:59<sheldonh>chealer: people are weird :)
13:59<weasel>radoo: it's not over yet :)
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14:00<weasel>radoo: we just don't need to hold your hand at every step along the way
14:00<weasel>learning it is part of the fun after all
14:00<radoo>i know, it just beggins :) and you are really right :)
14:00<weasel>and what good is it we tell you everything and you just copy that blindly
14:00<chealer>sheldonh: well, even d-i puts a main contrib security source by default, but it only contains a small part of contrib.
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14:03<fairch>I have the following line that I did add to my sources.list. Does this look right?
14:03<weasel>if it's just a single line you can always paste it in here
14:03<weasel>no need for the pastebin for one-liners
14:03<fairch>deb etch main contrib non-free restricted
14:03<weasel>pretty bad.
14:03<weasel>try again
14:03<error3>restricted ?? what's that ?
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14:04<Supaplex>the unoffical part looks far more dubious
14:04<error3>and unofficial is an official debian server ? ^^
14:04<weasel>of course not
14:04<Supaplex>granted, it might be in <mirrors>, but restricted? - no.
14:04<fairch>error3: I got this from some website. I have no idea myself what makes sense.
14:04<weasel>it's not a mirror
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14:05<Supaplex>so it's 3rd party. if they don't support it, .. oh well.
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14:07<elvis2>ok i have problem give me one minute to paste the eror
14:08<elvis2>failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (no such file or directory)
14:08<elvis2>what is it i need to isntall again?
14:08<elvis2>or start?
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14:09<error3>elvis2: install menu ?
14:09<error3>elvis2: what were you do when you had this error message ?
14:09<elvis2>thankyou error i forgot what it was called
14:11<error3>it uses su-to-root but does not depend or suggest it ?
14:11<error3>(or recommand)
14:11<fairch>So, maybe this line in my sources.list is no good. But does anyone know about installling java on iBook?
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14:13<radoo>how do i edit a file as root?
14:13<node3667>i'm looking for a graphical vector editor, somewhere between dia and ooffice... any thoughts ?
14:13<error3>radoo log as root and edit it, sudo <editor> <file>, ...
14:13<error3>(second proposition if sudo is installed)
14:14<radoo>can i use nano again?like before?
14:14<error3>node3667: inkscape ?
14:14<error3>radoo: of course
14:14<node3667>error3: checking
14:14<radoo>ok, thanx
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14:17<node3667>error3: thanks, looks good
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14:23<radoo>is this now right set-up?
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14:24<lrp>where can i download debian4 stable for 64bits iso ??
14:24<lrp>where can i download debian4 stable for 64bits iso ??
14:25<chealer>radoo: you mean
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14:25<radoo>yes, sorry about that
14:25<chealer>radoo: no, "deb" is incomplete
14:25<lrp>any urls?
14:25<chealer>radoo: check /usr/share/doc/apt/ for an example sources.list.
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14:26<chealer>lrp: did you check ?
14:29<lrp>ok thanks
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14:32<radoo>what about now:
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14:38<weasel>radoo: a http:// probably would not hurt
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14:39<radoo> :) i think linux is very educational too- it teaches one to pay attention to all the details :) indeed
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14:46<lrp>any opensource software to videoconference?
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14:47<error3>lrp: yes
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14:47<error3>I think ekiga is great one
14:48<error3>I think it can do video
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14:48<lrp>error3, no ekiga no
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14:48<lrp>error3, im seeking for multicast videoconference with more than 10 users connected
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14:49<radoo>sorry, what does this means: "If there is a pre-built module for your kernel, install its package"?
14:49<silent>how can I have multiple essids in my interfaces file and switch between them depending on my location?
14:49<girassol>será q alguém pode me ajudar?
14:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:50<error3>radoo: well linux kernel can have modul
14:50<error3>several time, you have to build them (compiling them)
14:50<error3>but if there's a pre-build module, you can just intalled the 'already' compiled version
14:50<error3>for that just install the package related to the module
14:51<radoo>where do i find the package and how an i tell if it is related with a module?
14:51<error3>to find a package just use a simple tool like synaptic or document yourslef on apt basis
14:52<error3>radoo: what module are you trying to install ?
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14:53<radoo>no, i am not i am trying to understand this
14:53<kop>I'm trying to submit a bug and I get this: 550-Verification failed for <> 550-Unrouteable address 550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command)) It must be looking at the envelope sender. Can I forward the message from another machine or what? The host is NATted behind my firewall.
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14:54<kop>silent: I don't know but there is a way because someone asked that question the other day and got an answer.
14:54<error3>kop: you should verify your MTA configuration
14:55<error3>kop: and of course you send the mail with with sender mail ?
14:55<error3>with which sender mail ?
14:55<hachi>hi, icedove 2.x is segfaulting on my debian testing/unstable machine. Does anyone actually have a working icedove 2.x on debian?
14:55<kop>error3: My MTA is fine. The header From: is me, but the envelope from is (of course) from the box itself. That's what seems to be verified.
14:55<error3>radoo: what's your video card :-)
14:56<radoo>nvidia 8800 gtx
14:56<error3>kop: sorry I don't understand the 'envelope from'
14:56<error3>radoo: ok
14:56<error3>radoo: you're on stable (i.e. etch) ?
14:57<kop>error3: envelope from is what the MTAs use when they talk with each other, header from is what the user sees. I'm even going through a smart relay.
14:57<radoo>look at this thing please yes i am on etch
14:57<error3>kop: ok sorry I think i'm quite incompetent for this :/
14:58<error3>radoo: yes that great :-)
14:58<radoo>:) what now?
14:58<error3>it seems that it was what you have to do
14:58<error3>radoo: when installing a package, and you don't know anything about it
14:58<error3>go to /usr/share/doc
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14:58<error3>and read *.Debian files
14:59<error3>(or *.Debian.gz
14:59<hachi>otherwise does anyone have a clue where I can go to get help? it's been 3 days now and I'm getting tired of reading my email via a forwarded X session
14:59<radoo>no, i mean, what should i do now in order to change the driver?
14:59<kop>hachi: Have you tried the debian mailing lists?
14:59<error3>basically, you have du load the module (by modprobe nvidia, then why not echo nvidia >> /etc/modules, replace nv or vesa or wathever currently using module in xorg by nvidia; then restart [xkg]dm
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15:00<error3>radoo: it's in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-*/*Debian
15:00<radoo>this one i understand: "replace nv or vesa or wathever currently using module in xorg by nvidia" the rest not :(
15:00<error3>hachi: sorry what is the problem ?
15:01<kop>radoo: He means try again.
15:01<hachi>icedove is segfaulting
15:01<error3>radoo: that's why you should read what I told you to read
15:01<error3>hachi: are you using prelink ? :-)
15:01<error3>I'm asking because I've got a problem last day with it... :-)
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15:01<hachi>I'm just trying to run icedove
15:02<error3>hachi: you can try to debug it ^^
15:02<hachi>if debian is somehow using prelink for me, I wouldn't know it
15:02<error3>look on BTS if there is already a bug on it
15:02<hachi>no bug on BTS
15:03<hachi>segfault is due to munmap call on invalid memory address
15:03<error3>hachi: if you haven't installed prelink and change its configuration, it's not used
15:03<error3>hachi: do you have lots of extensions ?
15:03<hachi>none that I'm aware of... deleted my profile directory
15:03<error3>first you can try without any extension, to see if it's really icedove problem...
15:04<hachi>safe mode doesn't help
15:04<error3>hachi: well you can check your environment variables
15:04<error3>like LD_PRELOAD or things like that
15:04<hachi>none set
15:04<error3>XD hard...
15:04<hachi>I know what those are, I don't use them in my main env
15:05<error3>hachi: you're on sid ?
15:05<hachi>testing/unstable/experimental, pinned so it won't upgrade past testing unless I ask it to
15:05<error3>what version of icedove ?
15:06<hachi>running unstable icedove
15:06<hachi>only reason I care is because the testing version of icedove is ancient
15:06<error3>have you already checked basic things ? like hard disk space, ?
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15:07<hachi>yeah, plenty of spare swap, at least 500MB free on all mounts
15:07<error3>well... it's not easy...
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15:07<error3>hachi: does strace on it gives you some tips ?
15:08<error3>you can also installed debug package and see where exactly it crashes
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15:08<hachi>strace doesn't give any clues... I need to redo the debug run I guess
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15:11<error3>hachi: try to run debsums
15:11<error3>in case the binary is broken
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15:36<sheldonh>i wanna take a look at developing midp2.0 midlets on my debian laptop. i use eclipse as an ide, and the install docs for eclipeME say i need a wireless toolkit. is there one in the debian archive?
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15:44<kazuu>someone knows how can I use boxes?
15:45<kazuu>it just give me this message: boxes: Alleged system-wide config file '/etc/boxes' is a directory
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15:50<kurumin>tudo bom
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15:58<Dialntone>firefox doesn't dected Xmms :( its no where to be found, help help...
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16:01<smhar>ok, I've grown out of my router/adsl modem, I have 5 computer to connect while It only has 4 ports. I found an old 5 ports switch that I had bought long ago for such case, but I do not have any info sheet with it.
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16:02<ifvoid>smhar: just connect it
16:02<ifvoid>smhar: should Just Work
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16:03<smhar>ifvoid, I connected 3 computer to the modem and used the fourth port to connect to the uplink port of the switch, is this correct?
16:03<ifvoid>yes, depending on the cable you're using
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16:04<smhar>ifvoid, it is the same computer to router cable
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16:05<ifvoid>should work then
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16:07<smhar>ifvoid, now I connect a debian computer to another port of the switch but it doesn't connect. nothing shows in ifconfig other than lo
16:07<ifvoid>does the led blink?
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16:07<smhar>yes, the led for the ports connected are lit
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16:08<ifvoid>try ifup eth0
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16:12<smhar>I did, and after several attempts, it said: No DHCPOFFERS recieved
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16:17<Eulex>ifvoid, shouldn't there probably be crossover cable between the router and the switch?
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16:18<smhar>how can I find the ip of the switch?
16:18<ifvoid>Eulex: no, the uplink port takes care of that
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16:20<Eulex>smhar, the switch has no ip
16:21<Eulex>ifvoid, ok
16:21<ifvoid>Eulex: but it does something something liek this is wrong
16:21<ifvoid>smhar: can you try plugging the connection to the router in a non-uplink port?
16:22<smhar>Eulex, ??!! so the computers connected to it will continue using IPs from the modem/router in the range 10.0.0.X?
16:22<Eulex>smhar, yes.
16:23<ifvoid>smhar: a switch/hub just repeats whatever it receives
16:23<smhar>ifvoidthe connection is from a normal port in the modem/router to uplinl in the switch. there is no uplink port in the modem/router, only phone line port
16:23<ifvoid>smhar: yes, so try connecting it to a normal port of the switch
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16:24<smhar>Eulex, did that and a networking restart but nothing changed
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16:25<ifvoid>I'd almost think the hardware is broken then
16:25<ifvoid>or you are using the wrong cables
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16:52<Toast>hi, might i drop down a noob question or two?
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16:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:57<Toast>thanks, im a Linux & Debian newbie, burned the DVDs from downloaded i386 iso, but i need to make the disks bootable. im running XP and burning with Cyberlink Power2Go which asks for an .img file to make the disk bootable. i did download debian-cd_info.tar.gz and used WinAce to unload it, but the numerous files are not organized in .img, which is what my burn program is looking for! (sorry for length)
16:57<zobel>did you burned the ISO file onto a DVD?
16:58<Toast>available documentation at has not been very helpful on this issue, so far
16:58<zobel>or did you burn the iso image as DVD?
16:58<Toast>yes, i burned each of the 3 iso DVD files into their own DVD
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16:58<zobel>which files are on the DVDs now?
16:58<smhar>Toast, you did not just 'copy' the file into the dvd, right?
16:59<Toast>burned the iso image as a DVD, but posted on the forum and a reply suggested i need to make the DVD's bootable
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16:59<Toast>i guess im a bit hung up on sematics here, sorry
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16:59<zobel>Toast: which files are on the DVDs now?
16:59<smhar>Toast, what program did you use to 'burn' the dvd?
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17:00<zobel>if it is a single .iso file, you did definitivly wrong...
17:00<Toast>Media Center, burned it as 'data"
17:00<Vakio>Toast: what is your actual problem? Did the DVD's not boot? Did you get an error?
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17:00<zobel>Toast: *peng*
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17:00<Toast>this is what printed, when i attempted to boot the
17:00<Toast>DVD ...
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17:00<smhar>Toast, you did not burn the image. you just copied it
17:00<Fill>HI, A few days ago I added my external hard disk to /etc/fstab so it would autommaticly mount when it was connected. By that time, it was /dev/sda1. However, now I have a small problem. Everytime I connect my USB PenDisk and I have the external hard disk disconnected, the USB PenDisk gets the address /dev/sda1, which is in /etc/fstab to autommaticly mount under my external hard disk directory.
17:01<Toast>NVIDIA Boot Agent PXE-2.0 (build 0B2 v1.82) (c nVidia, Intel)
17:01<Toast>Client Mac ADDR:00 0E A6 A4 0E 12 GUID: FFFFFF [etc]
17:01<Toast>DHCP .....
17:01<Toast>PXE-053: No Boot Filename received.
17:01<Toast>Exiting Nvidia Boot Agent
17:01|-|Toast kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
17:01<Fill>So evertytime I connect my pen drive, it just mounts it on my external HD directory.
17:01<Fill>I just wanted to know if there is anyway to reserve /dev/sda1 to my external disk, so I could connect my pendrive and Linux detect that /dev/sda1 will always be to my external disk, so give another address to my pen drive (sdb, or sdc, etc...)
17:01<Fill>Because now, if I want to connect my pendisk, I have to:
17:01<Fill>a) connect my external hard disk so it gets the address /dev/sda1
17:01<Fill>b) connect my pen to acquire address /dev/sdb1.
17:01<Fill>As you can see, it is really annoying. I want /dev/sda1 reserved to my external disk, even if it is not connected!
17:01<Fill>What would you suggest me to do?
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17:01<jagerman>Toast: That isn't booting from the DVD, that is your system trying to boot off the network
17:01<error3>Fill: udev rulez ?
17:01<azeem>Toast: can you boot other CDs/DVDs
17:02<azeem>Toast: you might have to change the boot order in your BIOS
17:02<Toast>sorry, when i cut/paste the system messages, i flooded out, my apologies
17:02<Fill>•error3• udev rulez? don't know nothing about that
17:02<jagerman>flooded=got kicked for pasting, you mean :)
17:02<Fill>what's that
17:02<error3>Fill: what do you always want you hdd to be on /dev/sda1 ?
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17:02<azeem>Toast: don't paste in here, use a pastebin
17:02<error3>I don't see what for :-/
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17:02<zobel>azeem: he burned .iso as data file on dvd.
17:02<Toast>boot order in bio gives first shot to the CD-DVD rom drive
17:03<Supaplex>Fill: as in /etc/udev/rules.d/ or something.
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17:03<Fill>let me check
17:03<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>
17:03<jagerman>Toast: Are you sure the DVD burned correctly? i.e. can you access it?
17:03<Vakio>Wow. A very confusing factoid.
17:03<azeem>Fill: why don't you concentrate on having a consistent mount point, rather
17:03<Toast>yesm jaggerman
17:04<azeem>Toast: what files are on it?
17:04<error3>azeem yeah, that's my idea, that's why I asked him why he wanted that
17:04<Fill>what you mean a consistent mount point
17:04<error3>Fill: wherever your hdd is
17:04<azeem>Fill: something like /media/FOO
17:04<error3>it is mount on /media/YOURHDD
17:04<Fill>how would I add that /dev/sd* in /etc/fstab
17:04<Fill>I need a permanent /dev/sdX number to be in /etc/fstab
17:05<error3>Fill: why do you need fstab ^^
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17:05<Fill>for it to autommaticly mount the external HD with ntfs-3g file system
17:05<error3>Fill: are you using gnome ?
17:05<error3>so use gnome-mount and gnome-volume-manager to do what you wan't
17:06<error3>no need of fstab
17:06<jagerman>gnome's auto-mount sucks, at times.
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17:06<error3>jagerman: I have no problem with it, what's yours ?
17:06<jagerman>If you have multiple partitions on the drive, they get mounted in random order each time you plug in the drive
17:06<error3>bug ??
17:06<error3>just configure it in the properties of the drive
17:07<error3>on recent version of gnome it's great :-)
17:07<Fill>gnome's auto point sucks
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17:07<error3>Fill: why for ?
17:07<jagerman>In what?
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17:07<error3>jagerman: right click on the drive
17:07<Fill>sometimes it works, other times it doesn't work
17:07<error3>Volume => parameters
17:07<Fill>anyway i gotta go
17:07<Fill>see ya
17:07<error3>see you Fill
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17:08<jagerman>error3: "the drive" as in the mount point icon that shows up on the desktop?
17:08<error3>or in computer://
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17:08<error3>jagerman: it's a really cool functionality
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17:09<jagerman>error3: I thought I tried that, but didn't see anything like that.
17:09<jagerman>Is it a 2.20 thing?
17:09<error3>I'm not sure
17:09<error3>I think it's in from 2.18
17:09<error3>but it needed to be checked
17:09<jagerman>I'm pretty sure I was using 2.18, I was doing it a couple weeks ago.
17:09<error3>oh ok
17:09<error3>so perhaps it's a 2.20 functionality
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17:10<jagerman>The auto-mounting is kinda nice.
17:10<error3>the only thing that sucks a bit is gnome-mount with the --extra-mount-option
17:10<error3>because it overwrite default mount option
17:10<jagerman>Hurry for a linux window manager getting features that Windows has had for 12 years!
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17:11<themill>jagerman: what, plugging in a random disk in some non-native, undocumented, strange filesystem format and having it work? didn't know windoze could do that
17:11<error3>jagerman: twelve years ? hotplugin wasn't really support in windows
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17:12<jagerman>error3: Didn't win95 have it?
17:12<error3>not natively
17:12<themill>win98se was the first to support usb at all
17:12<jagerman>win98 maybe. At least that's still a single-digit number of years :)
17:12<dkr>error3: is that a smiley? I keep thinkign you are pointing out the line above you
17:12<error3>oh sorry dkr
17:13<error3>yes it is a smiley...
17:13<themill>raise eyebrows?
17:13<error3>yes something like it :)
17:13<JasonS>themill: thats what i thought or pointing up
17:14<dkr>no, closed/squinted eyes is the japanese cliche for smiling
17:14<error3>dkr: yes that's it
17:14<error3>sorry I did not find the words to explain
17:14<nowhereman>jagerman: doing what Windows do is a matter of a simple script: anytime a FAT32 appears among the available partitions, you mount it in a new numbered dir (/disks/a, /disks/b and so on
17:14<dkr>at least in anime. :) I assume ^^ is supposed to look like the squinted eyes ( with face right side up)
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17:14<error3>well see for more information
17:15<JasonS>or not :)
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17:15<error3>they are "asian" emoticon
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17:15<error3>JasonS: yes or not
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17:15[~]JasonS too damn old to learn more emoticons especially language/country specific ones
17:15<azeem>error3: it's also the standard IRC symbol for "see above line"
17:15<azeem>so you might want to restrict your usage of that particular smiley
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17:16<error3>no problem
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17:17<jagerman>nowhereman: I know, but while *I* can write a script to do it, needing to know how to write "simple scripts" should not be a requirement for using linux as efficiently as Windows.
17:17<jagerman>i.e. for non-technical people who want an OS to, you know, "just work"
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17:18<nowhereman>the fact is, it's a bit harder when you want an arbitrary FS type to show up on meaningful places in the VFS, and in secure manner
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17:19<JRamirez696>i have.. 3 DVDs... with debian imagen..
17:19<JRamirez696>to load with.. apt-cdrom
17:21<sheldonh>finally, a stable wanpipe-3.2.0 driver that supports 2.6.22 and up
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17:51<linxa>exist any program like kpowersave that it can down my cpu's when i unplugged the charger
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17:51<JasonS>pardon linxa ?
17:51<linxa>ćause, kpowersave doent do that
17:52<themill>kpowersave should do that
17:52<themill>have you experimented with the different policies that it has?
17:53<linxa>when i unplugg the charger, the cpuś s dont change
17:53<linxa>i have to do that manually
17:54<themill>linxa: how are you doing that manually?
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17:54<linxa>i click in the kpowersave icon, and i clik in "performance"
17:54<linxa>or dynamic
17:55<themill>linxa: if you set it to dynamic, it will change the cpu speed according to the load on the processor. e.g. mine run at 2GHz when needed otherwise at 1GHz.
17:56<themill>linxa: the cpu freq goes up and down all the time; you don't need to change the policy to do that.
17:57<linxa>yes, but, when i unplugged the charger, i need to put my computer in powersave mode
17:57<themill>linxa: what do you actually want to happen?
17:57<linxa>kubuntu has a powersave programa. and the program do that
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17:58<linxa>i need to disconect my charger and i want to put the cpu's down,
17:59<chealer>themill: I think he's saying the governor doesn't change automatically
17:59<linxa>in powersave mode
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17:59<error3>linxa: do you use gnome
17:59<themill>chealer: "changing the governor" or the "governor changing the freq"?
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18:00<error3>so it's really simple to do
18:00<error3>just use gnome-power-management
18:00<error3>and in gconf
18:00<error3>you have all you want
18:00<linxa>let my try
18:00<themill>error3: that's no different to kpowersave.
18:00<linxa>let me try
18:00<chealer>themill: changing the governor, since he wrote " <themill> linxa: how are you doing that manually? <linxa> i click in the kpowersave icon, and i clik in "performance""
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18:00<error3>themill: I didn't say anything that go in the opposite
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18:01<chealer>linxa: which governor do you change from?
18:01<themill>chealer: ahh.... now starts making sense.... I was thinking it was the latter.
18:02<error3>linxa: in sid : gconf : app/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq/*
18:02<linxa>when i unplugged the charger, the cpu's still are in the same mode
18:02<error3>in etch I hope there's this option
18:02<error3>linxa: did you change gconf options ??
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18:09<linxa>no yet
18:09<linxa>i am installing gconf
18:10<error3>ok :-)
18:11<error3>linxa: you're on sid ?
18:14<Supaplex>they should rename sid to "crack"
18:14<Supaplex>;) haa.
18:15<Supaplex>not that it would stop the crack heads from going "Ouuu! It's shiney!"
18:15<chealer>indeed. my first computer teacher was nicknamed "Crack"
18:15<chealer>he tought QBasic
18:16<Supaplex>ahh those were the days.
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18:22<linxa>i have a problem
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18:23<linxa>into the powersave script "/etc/init.d/powersave" exist start-stop-daemon, but the script doesn run, because the program doent exist
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18:24<linxa>no, i have etch
18:25<themill>linxa: so what does this produce: invoke-rc.d powersaved start
18:26<linxa>the problem is with stop-start-daemon
18:29<error3>linxa: is there the key in the gconf ?
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18:30<themill>linxa: /sbin/start-stop-daemon is in the dpkg package. There is no way that you don't have it if you are running debian.
18:31<linxa>i found it
18:32<linxa>i ran /etc/init.d/powersaved
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18:34<linxa>would you like to help me with "key in the gconf"?
18:35<error3>just run gconf-editor
18:35<error3>then go in apps directory
18:35<error3>then in gnome-power-manager
18:35<error3>and with luck there's a key for cpufreq things
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18:37<error3>linxa: you found something good ?
18:37<error3>for cpufreq ?
18:37<error3>great :-)
18:37<error3>so now you edit the key
18:38<error3>write what you want : ex performance on ac and powersave on battery
18:38<error3>then it's good if you have the correct kernel module for cpufreq capability working
18:38<error3>linxa: it works? :-)
18:38<error3>oh :-/
18:39<linxa>the cpu is always in dinamyc mode
18:39<error3>linxa: the kernel module is correctly loaded?
18:39<error3>perhaps you have another daemon that force it to dynamic
18:39<linxa>when i force to permormance
18:39<linxa>i can do that
18:39<linxa>or powersave
18:39<error3>if you plugout it works
18:40<linxa>if i connect the charger
18:40<error3>don't you have a daemon for cpufreq capabilities installed ?
18:40<error3>like cpufreqd
18:40<error3>or things like that
18:40<error3>laptop-mode ?
18:40<error3>but i don't think it's in etch
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18:42<linxa>i have powersaved
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18:43<error3>linxa: stop it to test gnome-power-management cpufreq capabilities
18:43<error3>and perhaps restart dbus
18:44<foug>when i receive a new IM, my taskbar doesn't flash to let me know. I have the plug in enabled through pidgin, any help?
18:44[~]Supaplex cracks cups open with a large rock
18:44<Supaplex>my goodness, how non descript can we get. E [04/Oct/2007:17:41:57 -0600] PID 26234 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped wit
18:44<Supaplex>h status 3!
18:44<error3>Supaplex: lol
18:44<error3>foug: what the name of the plugin ?
18:44<error3>I can test on my computer
18:45<Supaplex>error3: you! YOU!!! quit messin with my cups. ;)
18:45<error3>you're running sid ?
18:45<error3>well :-)
18:45<foug>error3, message notification 2.1.0 (using pidgin 2.1.0)
18:45<error3>Supaplex: if you find me an usable error message I can help you ;)
18:45<themill>Supaplex: yep... horrid, isn't it. Enabling debugging will give you more details but you'll have to wade through to find the damn things.
18:45<error3>foug: ok let me try
18:46<Supaplex>themill: I did, and restarted cups.. and got nothing more.
18:46<Supaplex>supaplex@armada:/etc/cups$ sudo less -X /var/log/cups/error_log
18:46<themill>well that's even more crap
18:46<themill>Supaplex: good luck... I'm off for my beauty sleep....
18:48<error3>foug: it seems to work here
18:48<error3>You have checked the line with 'URGENT' that's it ?
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18:49<foug>error3, ahh it works now, lol, thanks :P
18:49<error3>Supaplex: try running foomatic-rip by hand if you know how to do it
18:49<error3>and debug it
18:49<error3>you have to know the line where it crashed
18:49<error3>to know why
18:49<error3>foug: lol :)
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18:53<error3>linxa: are you ok ? :)
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18:54<error3>oy ...
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18:55<error3>oh well... dbus can stop network-manager if he uses it :-/
18:55<error3>sorry linxa ...
18:55<foug>does anyone use opera? Having trouble installing flash
18:55<error3>foug: well opera isn't supported by debian
18:55<error3>and flash isn't supported to
18:55<foug>error3, you sure? It's on their d/l page
18:56<Ghosty>i use opera
18:56<Ghosty>but then it's on window
18:56<error3>opera is in debian ?
18:56<foug>they have opera for all debian distros, etch, lenny, and the older ones
18:56<error3>I'm not sure foug
18:56<error3>opera is not freesoftware
18:56<error3>it suxx
18:56<error3>it's not debian
18:56<foug>ya it is ;x
18:56<error3>it's opera
18:56<error3>so ask for support to opera. I can't help you
18:57<error3>sorry I really don't know it
18:57<foug>well i did, but they are usually no one there lol
18:57<foug>i got it running fine in ubuntu, but installing flash isn't working out as well
18:57<error3>lol so use a browser that have support
18:57<Ghosty>how does browser maker make money?
18:57<foug>i like oper a:P
18:57<Ghosty>i always ponder
18:57<Ghosty>and nothing came up
18:57<foug>Ghosty, opera gets money from Yahoo, i know that for sure
18:57<Supaplex>opera is $0 now.
18:58<foug>and yes opera is free and has been for awhile now
18:58<error3>foug: well peraps you can simply copy libflashplugin to opera extension directory...
18:58<error3>foug: it's not free software
18:58<Ghosty>yea it is
18:58<dpkg>from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:")
18:58<Ghosty>opera is free
18:58<error3>free like FREEDOM
18:58<error3>not like free beer
18:58<Supaplex>Ghosty: where's the source then?
18:58<foug>error3, i have the folder .macromedia
18:58<error3>foug: don't know
18:58<error3>just try
18:59<error3>if you wan't
18:59<error3>thanx Supaplex for the !free :-)
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19:00<error3>it's easier to make the difference in french :)
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19:00<Ghosty>!not free
19:01<error3>not free = proprietary
19:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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19:08<kevinl>anyone know of a U.S. debian lenny apt FTP mirror?
19:09<kevinl>i need an FTP mirror for /etc/apt/sources.list
19:09<kevinl>preferably a fast one :09
19:09<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
19:09<dpkg>methinks debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
19:09<dondelelcaro>kevinl: see above
19:09<dondelelcaro>kevinl: any of the mirrors there have testing on them
19:10<dondelelcaro>Ghosty: if you need to play with the bot, use /msg
19:10<kevinl>thank you
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19:13<louis>dose any one know how to set up a network printer that is on a windows pc
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19:14<error3>louis try gnome-cups-manager
19:14<louis>i am using kde
19:15<error3>so use kde equivalent
19:15<louis>and that is
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19:15<error3>louis try aptitude search ~dcups~dkde~dmanager
19:17<louis>the only find was (tao-load - TAO load balancing service)
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19:25<error3>louis: not great ^^
19:25<louis>then what should i do
19:26<error3>I'm looking
19:26<error3>kdeprint ?
19:27<louis>ok then what
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19:31<error3>louis: then write your printer configuration
19:31<error3>and print
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19:32<louis>where is kprint located after install
19:33<error3>I don't know
19:33<error3>I'm not using kde
19:33<error3>in the preference I guess
19:33<error3>or in the configuration
19:33<error3>something like configuration => printer
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19:33<louis>well why not
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19:37<lee_>louis: does your kde menu have something like "system" "utilities" or "control center"?
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19:38<louis>yes yes and yes
19:39<error3>louis: you find it ?
19:39<lee_>if you poke around in them, do you find anything printer related?
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19:41<kfv>Слава России!
19:41<azeem>kfv: please write in english
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19:43<error3>I can understand russian :-)
19:43<error3>good it's a great test for fonts :-)
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19:47<error3>louis: search in kde help
19:47<error3>for printer
19:47<error3>you should find the configuration panel for printers
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19:54<louis>In kdeprint how do i install a network printer
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19:54<chealer>louis: ask #debian-kde
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20:13<foug>how can i customize metacity?
20:14<azeem>foug: gnome-window-properties
20:14<foug>hmm, those are the only options i have access to?
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20:15<azeem>foug: there might be more in gconf
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20:15<foug>howdo i access that? is that a file?
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20:16<azeem>if you don't know, you shouldn't
20:16<foug>gee that helps a lot
20:16<azeem>foug: metacity is designed to just work, not to be configured much
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20:25[~]blal high-fives dpkg.
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20:25<blal>Didn't even have to ask anyone anything. I just came in here and did "/msg dpkg madwifi" and I'm on my way.
20:27<error3>blal: what's you're problem with it ?
20:27<error3>(I'm tired so I will not stay here too long)
20:27<error3>it's 3'30
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20:28<blal>error3 : Basically that I have to compile the modules before the card works. ;)
20:29<blal>error3 : I was standing around holding madwifi-tools in my hand with a sort of blank expression on my face.
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20:31<error3>blal: your problem is to compile the module that's it ?
20:31<blal>error3 : Not just that. It's your basic, "how do I get my Atheros wireless NIC to work?"
20:32<blal>error3 : I've compiled the modules and I'm now on to modprobing the right stuff.
20:32<error3>so where's the problem ??
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20:34<blal>error3 : No problem exactly. I just need to perform some steps before my card is usable. It's more than just modprobing and ifconfigging a module that's in /lib/modules/... by default. You've got to use module-assistant, etc.
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20:39<error3>I need to sleep
20:39<error3>good night here
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20:39<error3>oh ok blal :-)
20:39<error3>blal: I'm using madwifi
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20:48<John>Ìîæíî ëè ãäå íèáóäü êóïèòü íîóòáóê ñ linux (debian) â Ðîññèè?
20:48<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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20:55<aNine>i have an Intel server that doesn't have CD, Floppy or VGA. How can i reformat the drive and install Debian?
20:56<aNine>via Serial connection?
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21:20<fsateler>I'm having some trouble configuring ACLs on a subversion server
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21:23<bighornram>I'm trying to configure bluetooth, phone sees lenny and lenny sees phone but won't pair. how do I do this?
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21:28<fsateler>I'm using the inetd approach, and attempts to write to the repository always fail with "Authorization failed"
21:32<fsateler>I have read-only anonymous and write permissions for authorized logins in svnserve.conf
21:32<fsateler>set up a passwd and authz file
21:32<fsateler>yet it doesn't ask me for a username and password
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21:34<fsateler>passing username and password in the command line doesn't help, either
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21:50<patricio>hey guys......I am running 2.6.21-2-686 Lenny......and I have a ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 video card......what I am needing is to know first is 'why certain GL screensavers wont move smoothly', and second 'how do I install the correct drivers and where do I get them? Please...anyone???
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21:54<patricio>I have read something about I going in the right direction?
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21:54<cgineilhan>hi all,
21:55<cgineilhan>I am looking for a tool that replaces Multi-Gnome-Termianl
21:55<blal>cgineilhan : What, like, another terminal emulator?
21:55<blal>(not being flippant)
21:56<cgineilhan>I need to send commands to a group of consoles
21:56<cgineilhan>mtg is okay but to create new groups is time consuming
21:56<blal>are we talking about multiple pseudo-terminals on a single machine?
21:57<cgineilhan>I have a hand full servers needs some configuration work
21:57<cgineilhan>not exactly the same, but would be nice to send some commands to all of them
21:57<blal>Have you considered screen? This is taking a slightly different approach to the problem.
21:58<cgineilhan>Can I send keyboard input to them at the same time?
21:58<blal>like broadcasting keystrokes?
21:58<cgineilhan>I have used it, like it very much,, yes
21:59<cgineilhan>broadcasting keystrokes,
21:59<cgineilhan>mtg has a "all bundle" "all unbundle" let me do that,
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22:00<cgineilhan>it takes too much of time to get the group set up
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22:00<blal>I see. I'm not aware of any alternatives to that proggie. MGT is new to me.
22:01<cgineilhan>It's also slow,
22:01<blal>Perhaps a shell script or similar script would do the trick.
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22:01<blal>perl, python, etc.
22:01<cgineilhan>That's an option, thanks blal
22:01<blal>for server in sleepy dopey shorty; do ssh $server admin-command; done
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22:02<cgineilhan>Thanks, that's helpful
22:02<cgineilhan>I am going off now
22:02<blal>I think that's the usual way of doing things.
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22:03<blal>The key is to run tasks in parallel and store the log files somewhere accessible.
22:03<blal>But that is another conversation.
22:03<blal>Gotta go, too. Work 'n stuff.
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22:07<patricio>is there anyone that would try to tackle my issue with the ATI Radeon driver?
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22:08<De_Ghost>no thanks
22:09<dli>!tell patricio about radeon
22:09<college>does anyone know how to install on debian, i am used to fedora, but i found out that is sucks. so i need help on installing
22:09<dli>!tell college about anyone
22:10<college>who is anyone
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22:12<peterrooney>college: net installer if you have a high-speed connection (or patience) hit 'enter' at the prompt, or "expert" or "install"
22:15<college>do i google net installer or is it on my system
22:15<peterrooney>use the net installer CD from
22:16<peterrooney>college: or did you mean "how to install packages" ?
22:17<college>how to install packages. i am not a hard core linux user
22:18<patricio> FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' .......anyone got any ideas on this error?
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22:20<peterrooney>college: ` apt-get install aptitude apt-file synaptic' should get you started, if you don't have synaptic directly available
22:20<college>you might want to email a admin in
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22:23<college>thank you peterrooney it is doing somthing not
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22:24<college>it is doing somthing now
22:26<peterrooney>are you at GUI or CLI?
22:26<hachi>anyone here use rxvt-unicode and have it 'hang' when combined with s2ram?
22:28<college>it did abunch of stuff it unpacked and now i tstoped
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22:30<college>it stoped sory im tierdfrom school today
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22:30<college>i cant spell
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22:33[~]freddie is wondering why he's in #debian... I don't recall joining this channel manually.
22:34[~]lontra doesn't wonder nor care
22:34<freddie>lontra: Well, you're not very friendly...
22:35<lontra>freddie: i'm just wondering if you have a question
22:35[~]freddie is pretty sure he just stated it.
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22:37<lontra>freddie: ok well if you have a debian related question feel free to ask
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22:42<freddie>lontra: Having been using debian almost exclucively myself for a little under the past 10 years, I'll leave it as a freak event in time-space, and go where it's not so unfriendly to visitors. Good day to you. :)
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23:08<interbird>Excuse me, I have not joined #debian for a while; one used to authenticate... ?
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23:10<dondelelcaro>interbird: we don't do authentication here
23:10<dondelelcaro>interbird: though you may have to authenticate with nickserv to use your nick
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23:14<interbird>dondelelcaro: I may be mistaken, but formerly one had to nickserv to be able to be 'heared'; has that changed ?
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23:17<lontra>interbird: yes ... i am unregistered and can be 'read'
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23:20<dondelelcaro>interbird: no, this channel has never been +r or +R
23:20<dondelelcaro>(well, save during times when we're actively under attack)
23:21<interbird>dondelelcaro: Fomerly, joining this channel asked for a password to be able to 'speak'; today it does not ?
23:21<dondelelcaro>interbird: this channel has never asked for a password
23:22[~]lontra scratches head
23:22<dondelelcaro>(which is what +r or +R or similar would have done)
23:22<dondelelcaro>(well, on FN; I don't remember what the modes are on OFTC)
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23:24<interbird>dondelelcaro: AFAIK, one could join to read but to have one's replies be replicated required signing-in...
23:25<interbird>(relicated == echoed)
23:26<interbird>No matter, I am just asking...
23:26<dondelelcaro>interbird: yes, I understand what you're asking, and I'm answering you.
23:27<dondelelcaro>the answer is no, it's never been done on this channel
23:28<interbird>dondelelcaro: Then I must be mistaken. Sorry for that.
23:28<dondelelcaro>no worries; there are #debian channels on most major networks, so it's possible that one of the others is that way
23:28<dondelelcaro>(but neither this one or FN's is that way)
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23:29<JuanCraft>command to know the path of the command plz?
23:30<interbird>echo $PATH
23:32<interbird>dondelelcaro: Possibly, but I touched the same keys as before comming on this channels; which is one of five. I'm not much for wondering about :-) Thx, Don.
23:32<dondelelcaro>JuanCraft: or which cmd; not 100% sure what you're asking.
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23:33<JuanCraft>well... one time a hear about a commando that tells you the path dondelelcaro
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23:34<JuanCraft>like.... command command1 then u get... /path/command1
23:34<JuanCraft>almost like locate.
23:34<JuanCraft>But Im not sure... so.. I was wondering if there is somenthing like that
23:34<interbird>find ?
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23:36<interbird>which ?
23:36<interbird>where ?
23:37<JuanCraft>which ;) interbird thx!
23:37<JuanCraft>dondelelcaro, tnx!
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23:37<interbird>welcome Juan
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23:43<interbird>whereis which :-)
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23:52<interbird>dondelelcaro: I'd swear one had to nickserv before joining... Either my memory is shitty or the new DRR module is faulty...
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