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00:01<pr0t0c0l>hey all
00:02<pr0t0c0l>Does anyone use the GeForce 8800 GTS card on their Deb system?
00:02<interbird>Hi pr0t0c0l
00:02<pr0t0c0l>interbird, sup :)
00:03<pr0t0c0l>trying to figure out a way on installing the Nvidia drivers without crashing X on next boot
00:03<pr0t0c0l>interbird, sup=what's up
00:03<interbird>You don't need to reboot to test X
00:04<pr0t0c0l>interbird, I know. Ctrl+Alt+backspace works as well
00:04<interbird>No, you can control X
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00:04<pr0t0c0l>you think the nvidia glx drivers will do?
00:05<interbird>What is the problem you have ?
00:06<pr0t0c0l>well, I just did a clean install of etch on my newly build machine. I have a GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB card on this rig and was wondering the easiest(or most secure) way of installing the Nvidia drivers
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00:07<interbird>Which one did you have first; the 8800 or Etch ?
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00:08<interbird>You want open-source video-drivers or the ones supplies by nVidia ?
00:09<pr0t0c0l>whichever work best
00:09<interbird>What is best ?
00:09<pr0t0c0l>I can do a "apt-get install nvidia-glx" butI just want something that works well
00:09<interbird>What is well ?
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00:10<pr0t0c0l>interbird, well, nvidia's site usually has the more up-to-date drivers. Deb repositories usually tend to have the more 'stable' drivers
00:10<Alk3>how do you stop iptables from loggin to the console?
00:10<Alk3>i know its something with the klogd
00:10<Alk3>but not sure what
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00:12<pr0t0c0l>set klogd to -c 3
00:12<Alk3>in /etc/init.d/klogd?
00:12<Alk3>or where?
00:12<pr0t0c0l>there or /etc/init.d/syslogkd
00:12<pr0t0c0l>it's one of the two
00:12<Alk3>thanks. i thought it was something of the sort. i just dont have time to google around for it
00:13<pr0t0c0l>lol its cool ;)
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00:17<interbird>pr0t0c0l: Seems you know your way around? -- lspci will tell you about your graphics-hardware -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf stears the card -- nVidia driver from their site should work ?
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00:20<interbird>Must be a new (silent) way to leave...
00:22<interbird>Or maybe I'm using software way tooo old :-)
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01:00<kantor>when you create a ext3 partition you can reserve a certain amount of space for the root user (default is 5 %), after the partition is created and used can I change that size on the "fly" or I must to reformat the partition to select disable it?
01:02<kantor>so there is no way to disable that reserved size without reformatting . . .
01:02<jm_>no, you can do it anytime you want, no reformat needed
01:03<kantor>jm_, how ? is there a little program for that ?
01:03<jm_>kantor: sure, tune2fs
01:03<kantor>thanks a lot !
01:03<jm_>no worries
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01:32[~]interbird thanks the debian people for making it possible to master hardware freely -- i'm not in favour of other methods and i'm not opposed to, on the contrary... :-) nite !
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01:47<Guest934>anyone here? knows cgi?
01:47<simonrvn>just ask the question. much simpler that way
01:48<Guest934>i was just wondering how to enable cgi server in debian
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01:49<Guest934>thank you very much simonrv
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01:53<Guest934>why can't I ssh to wanIP while I can on localHost
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01:55<Guest934>how can I open KDE app on Gnome without loading that anoying menu tab on top
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01:56<sutula>Guest896: You might get clues from "ssh -v" (RE your ssh question)
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02:03<Guest934>thats great group, thank you very much for your help
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02:33<jpa>hi everybody
02:34<jpa>i have a problem :) i want to reinstall windows xp but i dont want to overwrite my debian boot sector grub. i have a ubuntu live cd here is it possible to do this without installing debian new, too?
02:35<valdyn>jpa: you don't need to reinstall debian, but the boot sector will be overwritten by xp, you have to restore it
02:35<valdyn>jpa: that live cd can be used for that surely
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02:35<jpa>okay :) could you tell me what i have to do? :)
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02:36<valdyn>jpa: hows your debian install spread accross partitions?
02:36<valdyn>jpa: just one?
02:36<jpa>yes i have one debian installation
02:36<valdyn>jpa: are you familiar with the 'chroot' command ?
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02:36<valdyn>jpa: show the output of df in your debian, if possible
02:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
02:37<jpa>okay sec
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02:37<jpa>Dateisystem 1K-Blöcke Benutzt Verfügbar Ben% Eingehängt auf
02:37<jpa>/dev/hda4 15995216 6560708 8621996 44% /
02:37<jpa>tmpfs 518360 0 518360 0% /lib/init/rw
02:37<jpa>udev 10240 60 10180 1% /dev
02:37<jpa>tmpfs 518360 0 518360 0% /dev/shm
02:37|-|jpa kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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02:38<jpa>sorry i was kicked i try it again :)
02:38<jpa>copied too much code
02:38<valdyn>jpa: dont paste here
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02:38<valdyn>jpa: i saw it until the tmpfs line
02:38<jpa>i can upload a screenshot?
02:38<jpa>oh okay is that enough?
02:38<valdyn>jpa: how would i know?
02:38<valdyn>jpa: is there anytthing else?
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02:39<valdyn>jpa: ok.
02:39<jpa>it its just up to that line
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02:39<jpa>begins with /dev/hda4 and ends with tmpfs
02:39<valdyn>jpa: boot your livecd, run 'mount /dev/hda4 /path/to/mountpoint'
02:40<valdyn>jpa: then you probably need a 'mount --bind /proc /path/to/mountpoint/proc' ( not sure that is needed )
02:40<jpa>okay i will write this on a note
02:41<valdyn>jpa: then you run 'chroot /path/to/mountpoint', and run 'grub-install /dev/hda' inside that chroot environment you entered.
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02:43<jpa>thx do i have to type it exaxtly like this?
02:43<valdyn>jpa: umm, /path/to/mountpoint is obviously just a placeholder
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02:44<jpa>okay.. and what should i write there?
02:44<jpa>sorry i am new to this
02:44<valdyn>jpa: a directory of your choice that is free for use
02:44<valdyn>jpa: i.e. not /usr
02:45<jpa>okay so it doesent matter but i should use /usr
02:45<jpa>so i could use just / too?
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02:45<valdyn>jpa: god
02:46<Vakio>jpa: he said "not".
02:46<valdyn>jpa: /usr is inside /, if /usr is not free, how can / be ?
02:46<Myon>/mnt works
02:46<jpa>okay then i try /mnt
02:47<jpa>okay than i will try it
02:47<jpa>thx for your help
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03:02<radoo>hello! is it possible that the install process of the driver described here: could be incompatible with my nvidia 8800 gtx?
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03:04<radoo>because i can't find my card on that list of supporter drivers- and yesterday, after going through all the steps all i could do was to reinstall debian afterwards - it did nothing more after a couple of hours of trying to install- just frozen by boot
03:04<jm_>radoo: no, but it's possible that version you're using doesn't support it
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03:04<Samba>i have a problem, i want install tobit server on debian etch, when i execute ./ i became following error-msg: bash: ./ /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Keine Berechtigung; what can i do for remove the error??
03:05<radoo>and another thing: suddenly i dah 4 debian entries in the grub menu...
03:05<lupine_85>that's fine; you've just got 2 kernels installs
03:05<radoo>how come? and do i need 2?
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03:05<jm_>Samba: verify if file has ^M-s in it
03:06<lupine_85>radoo: are you running stable, testing or unstable?
03:06<radoo>stable i presume
03:06<lupine_85>yep. just stick with the most recent, then. you can uninstall the older one
03:06<radoo>first of all- i should have said it :)- a am a totally noob with debian, and linux in general
03:06<lupine_85>and etch comes with relatively old nvidia drivers. I dunno if they'd support a card as new as an 8800
03:07<Samba>jm_: the file have following options: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 89 2003-04-23 15:00; this file is on a CD-R ( original tobit software )
03:07<jm_>they don't
03:07<lupine_85>you could pull in the drivers from unstable, or you could grab the nvidia installer
03:07<lupine_85>(the former being more hassle now, less hassle later)
03:07<lupine_85>but I'm -----> work
03:07<jm_>Samba: run od -t xa and look for first two characters after /bin/bash
03:08<gsimmons>radoo: (re GRUB) This would occur if you've installed an updated kernel package (eg. 2.6.18-5). Both the new kernel and your previous kernel image (2.6.18-4) are present within your GRUB menu. An additional option is present for both to enter "single user" mode.
03:08<radoo>i already have the nvidia installer :)- but it is no installer, it is a .run thingy i don't know nothing about and not sure how to use
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03:08<radoo>(what is a single user mode)...
03:08<lupine_85>liek safe mode
03:08<Samba>jm_: oke - the two charakters after bin / bash: nl -> look here -> # ! / b i n / b a s h nl nl nl P W
03:09<jm_>Samba: that looks just fine
03:09<jm_>Samba: how about if you do bash
03:09<Samba>ok, i must say, i can install all other software from the mainsys, but not the david server
03:10<radoo>proprietary drivers is the same with non free drivers?
03:10<Samba>when i make "bash" i became following msg: /media/cdrom0/david/linux/ /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Keine Berechtigung; line 9: /media/cdrom0/david/linux/ Erfolg
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03:11<lupine_85>Samba: what is line 9
03:11<jm_>Samba: does that mean permission denied?
03:12<Samba>lupine_85: line9: exec ./
03:12<jm_>Samba: I see now the issue is in line 9, not with the first line
03:12<Samba>jm_: right: permission denied
03:12<jm_>Samba: so check what's on line 9
03:12<Samba>jm_: line 9-> exec ./
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03:13<jm_>Samba: you'll need to explain more if you want us to help you - paste first 15 lines of the script on some paste site
03:13<Samba>one moment please
03:14<gula>i'm an experienced sysadmin but it's been awhile since I've worked on a Debian box and I'm trying to help out a buddy with troublshoot some strange behavior. Anyone up for giving me a hand?
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03:15[~]gcosmin morning
03:16<Samba>jm_: this is the script, what i execute:; and this is the script in $path\David\LINUX\
03:17<jm_>Samba: ahh ok, so run ls -l /media/cdrom0/david/linux/ ; od -t xa /media/cdrom0/david/linux/ | head -4
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03:18<Samba>jm_: oke-> looks here please:
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03:18<RandomJohn>hi folks :)
03:19[~]Supaplex wonders why some RandomJohn would smell like any RandomPortaPotty ;)
03:20<Supaplex>ok that was bad. :p
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03:20<Supaplex>goodnite RandomJohn, and good luck etc.
03:20<RandomJohn>it was, so now you are doomed to help me with my problem :P
03:21<RandomJohn>i just upgraded lenny from 2.6.21-686 to 2.6.22-686 kernel, which results in my lan-mod failing. i compiled the mod for the old kernel myself, but the source was given to me by a friend and i don't recall the name. can anyone help me finding that mod-source?
03:21<Supaplex>issues I can help solve. problems are out of my league.
03:21<RandomJohn>try that one ^^
03:22<jm_>!tell RandomJohn -about which driver
03:22<jm_>Samba: uhm I am puzzled
03:22<RandomJohn>Board: P5KPL adapter: PCIe Gb LAN
03:22<Samba>do you think, the error is from the software? or from the debian etch system?
03:23<RandomJohn>jm_: whatever you tried to tell me, it didn't worked out
03:23<jm_>it did
03:23<jm_>*dpkg* told RandomJohn about which driver.
03:23<RandomJohn>dpkg didn't tell me anything, tho
03:24<jm_>Samba: what does it say if you do cd /media/cdrom0/david/linux && bash
03:24<RandomJohn>oh, my fault
03:24<jm_>sure it did, you just don't know how to use your IRC client
03:24<RandomJohn>opera opens another tab for the msg
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03:24<RandomJohn>jm_: not nice, but true :\
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03:25<Samba>jm_: uff, he say nothing, a little window popup and would gone
03:26<Samba>but i dont see anything else
03:26<jm_>Samba: are you sure this stuff is supposed to work?
03:26<jm_>Samba: you can debug it via bash -x
03:27<RandomJohn>jm_: actualy there is no driver listed for the lan adapter
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03:27<Samba>jm_: moment i paste the debug
03:27<jm_>RandomJohn: on the "which driver" page?
03:27<RandomJohn>jm_: jap
03:28<jm_>RandomJohn: can you give me it's lspci line?
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03:28<Samba>jm_: the software is from: tobit / david server, its a multi-server for managing emails, sms, contacts and more
03:28<RandomJohn>jm_: 02:00.0 0200: 1969:2048 (rev a0)
03:29<RandomJohn>should be
03:29<jm_>Samba: it starts xterm -geometry 80x25 -fn 10x20 -T David-Installation -e ./setup.bin
03:30<Samba>jm_: so what i must do? i dont have change some settings from there
03:30<jm_>Samba: run ./setup.bin check
03:31<Samba>jm_: bash: ./setup.bin: Keine Berechtigung ( permission denied )
03:31<Samba>-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 349492 2004-08-23 11:41 setup.bin
03:31<RandomJohn>Samba: try as root?
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03:31<Samba>RandomJohn: yes, as root
03:32<Samba>because the installation must be as root ruser, i have read the manual before
03:32<Samba>$id -> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) Gruppen=0(root)
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03:33<jm_>Samba: how is this thing mounted?
03:33<Samba>the cdrom in fstab?
03:34<jm_>just type mount
03:34<Samba>mounted as noexec ?
03:35<Samba>so i must mount -o exec <dir> =
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03:35<jm_>exec is default
03:36<Samba>hm, but why is the setting : noexec ?
03:36<Samba>the system is clean ^.- i have only installed a samba-ldap server
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03:37<radoo>this is a joke, right :)
03:37<Samba>jm_: what can i do? when i copy all files to the main, it dont work too i think
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03:37<jm_>Samba: just umount it and mount it manually without noexec for this time
03:37<Samba>i have try: umount /dev/hdd
03:37<Samba>but: umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
03:38<jm_>yeah cd out of it
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03:42<jm_>RandomJohn: try grepping for 1969 in /lib/modules/.../modules.pcimap for working kernel
03:42<gcosmin>can some one show me how a source list should look like ?
03:43<jm_>gcosmin: man sources.list has examples
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03:45<radoo>i have a couple of questions related to this
03:45<radoo>how can i tell
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03:46<radoo>how to locate the kernel-source, kernel-headers, or kernel-devel package?
03:46<radoo>how to install a linker?what is a linker?
03:47<radoo>there is a ld file in /usr/bin, is that a linker?
03:48<valdyn>radoo: why dont you read what you pasted?
03:48<radoo>i'm doing it right now
03:48<davi>At I only find the Debian GNU/Linux distribution, but is there some web page where all the Debian flavors are listed?: Debian GNU/Hurd, Debian GNU/FreeBSD, Debian GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/Solaris, etc.?
03:48<radoo>what you mean i don't read it?
03:49<jm_>davi: try /ports/
03:49<valdyn>radoo: that you keep asking contents of that text
03:49<davi>thanks jm_
03:49<radoo>i ask what i don't understand...i will never ask what i know :)
03:49<valdyn>radoo: you should probably just 'aptitude install nvidia-glx', not use what nvidia recommends
03:50<jm_>he needs a newer driver
03:50<radoo>i tried it yesterday and somehow i broke my debian installation- i had to reinstall afterwards
03:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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03:52<radoo>i did that yesterday-all of that
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03:52<radoo>and didn't work...
03:53<valdyn>radoo: you cant do all of it, only one of 2 methods , and only legacy or not legacy
03:53<valdyn>radoo: 'all' surely will result in a mess
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03:54<radoo>of course :) i tried what i was able to- the first and the second method- afterthat i've got only a broke os
03:54<cahoot>radoo: what kernel-version?
03:54<valdyn>radoo: nvidias installer breaks your OS always, it just usually works in a way that its usable
03:55<valdyn>radoo: doing both = mess
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03:55<radoo>it was like this- i tried to boot afterwards and i got a black terminal, no cursor, just a deep black access to even text mode
03:56<radoo>i tried the first methid first :) it didn't work- step by step...
03:56<valdyn>radoo: neither you nor us can work with 'doesn't work'. Nothing just 'doesn't work' except lazy people.
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03:57<radoo>well, thank you :) i was trying from yesterday morning till 2 o'clock to install that driver- i'm not sure that's lazy
03:57<valdyn>radoo: so go ahead do whichever methos, and tell us error messages, not 'doesn't work'
03:58<radoo>ok, but first i just wanted to know how can i idenfy my kernel-sources, kernel-headers and kernel-devel-packages :) because that's a step described there by the invidia installation guide...or are you talking about the debian way of instaling nvidia?
03:59<valdyn>radoo: you already have those packages installed, they are included in the debian way too
03:59<valdyn>radoo: linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential
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03:59<radoo>ok, now i understand- i waqsn't sure the debian packages have the latest driver from nvidia
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04:00<valdyn>radoo: they often don't
04:00<radoo>meaning this one
04:00<valdyn>!info nvidia-glx sid
04:00<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.19-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4166 kB, Installed size: 13224 kB
04:01<radoo>oh, that's the same, isn't it?
04:01<valdyn>the same version
04:02<radoo>ok, then i'll try the debian way again...:) i can't understand then what i did wrong...never mind, go for it again
04:02<valdyn>radoo: you are probably getting a different version when your system is not sid
04:02<radoo>is etch
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04:04<radoo>about this: "linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential"- the first should identify my kernel? and the second should compile it?
04:04<Samba>jm_: i have try to mount the drive with: samba:~# mount -o /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 exec; but now i became the error: mount: you must specify the filesystem type; but what filesys must the cdrom became?
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04:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
04:07<ifvoid>radoo: yes, more or less
04:07<jm_>Samba: wrong syntax, mount /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0
04:07<radoo>ok, thank you
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04:09<radoo>i did the first apt-get install module command and it installed something with this note at the end:* The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
04:09<radoo>what means that?
04:09<Oz``>Hi, Where can i find a chan to ask question about XHR ( javascript )?
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04:10<Samba>jm_: thx, it works
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04:11<ifvoid>Oz``: ##javascript on freenode?
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04:12<Oz``>Thanks ;)
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04:12<gcosmin>can some one help me with a propriate sources.list file pls
04:13<ifvoid>just ask your question
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04:13<gcosmin>ifvoid, I don't have a question
04:14<gcosmin>I wana to make my sources.list
04:14<gcosmin>and couse debian do not have a generator for it
04:14<jm_>netselect-apt might help for example
04:14<ifvoid>go do it then!
04:14<jm_>sure it does
04:14<gcosmin>maby some one will be nice and show me his
04:15<ifvoid>if you are clear and explain whatyou are trying to do, we might be able to help you
04:16<gcosmin><gcosmin> I wana to make my sources.list
04:16<azeem>gcosmin: what's wrong with your current sources.list?
04:16<ifvoid>11:12 <gcosmin> can some one help me with a propriate sources.list file pls
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04:16<ifvoid>waht do you mean by a "propriate" sources.list?
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04:17<gcosmin>azeem, I wana to use pingin client for yahoo and I didn't have unstanble on it
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04:18<azeem>unstable is not an appropriate sources.list entry
04:18<gcosmin>azeem, and I try with google to see what i will find, and I find a old one as an exemple
04:18<azeem>gcosmin: which version of Debian are you running?
04:18<gcosmin>and it didn't work
04:18<azeem>gcosmin: why can't you use gaim?
04:18<gcosmin>Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 17:54:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
04:18<azeem>which version of Debian, not linux
04:19<jm_> has Etch deb
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04:20<gcosmin>azeem, 4.0
04:20<azeem>gcosmin: so you should find sources for 4.0, not unstable
04:21<Samba>sooo now i have finished the wished software, now i became a error, when i would add a new user ( samba ): smbpasswd -a david:david; Failed to modify password entry for user david:david - must i add before the user via adduser <username>, after this i can only smbpasswd ?
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04:22<Samba>hm i see, when i would: adduser - following msg is displayed: passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered <-- :(
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04:23<gcosmin>azeem, yes I try to find in here mabe some coud be nice and help me
04:23<azeem>gcosmin: it's still unclear what you want
04:23<azeem>why doesn't gaim work for you?
04:23<azeem>what functionality do you need?
04:24<gcosmin>azeem, I just wana an soucers.list for debian 4.0
04:24<gcosmin>do I ask too mouch ?
04:24<azeem>put your current sources.list on a pastebin
04:24<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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04:25<gcosmin>I rm -rf my source list
04:26<gcosmin>azeem, i need to justify to you why
04:26<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
04:26<gcosmin>I jut wana a source list for debian 4.0 nothing else
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04:27<azeem>you were talking about "pingin" and "unstanble", so it was unclear that you just wanted a sources.list for 4.0
04:28<gcosmin>azeem, I told you 3 times at least I just wana a sources.list
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04:28<gcosmin>and you cheap try to ask me why
04:29<azeem>well, sorry, I didn't understand at firs
04:30<gcosmin>thanx for your help finaly with dpkg help
04:30<dpkg>gcosmin: bitte
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04:32<JasonS>have to admit im a bit curious as to why thier source.list was deleted
04:32<JasonS>but i need coffee more so..
04:34<gcosmin>JasonS, I tell you why
04:35<gcosmin>after I install my debian I coud not find skype with apt-cache search
04:36<gcosmin>after an adventure and another sources.list cofig everiting ok
04:36<JasonS>uh huh
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04:36<radoo>helle agin
04:36<gcosmin>and now I wana to use pidgin and I can't find it as well
04:37<gcosmin>why? couse sources.list sux from begining
04:37<radoo>i did again the debian way of installing nvidia drivers-step by step and i probably need to reinstall debian again...because all i get is a deep black screen again
04:37<azeem>gcosmin: I told you, it's called gaim in 4.0
04:37<azeem>radoo: did you try with the nv driver now?
04:37<jm_>radoo: no, just boot in single user mode and fix it
04:37<gcosmin>and instead to recive help with my problem they try to make me use someting elese
04:37<gcosmin>what do you say about that?
04:38<radoo>i tried the nv driver yesterday- and now i tried the nvidia one
04:38<jm_>I say you're full of crap
04:38<cahoot>gcosmin: they try to tell you to use what is available in etch
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04:38<azeem>jm_: stop being personal
04:38<JasonS>i say you arent reading or understanding what azeem said actually
04:38<gcosmin>gaim don't work fine
04:38<azeem>gcosmin: then explain the probelm
04:38<gcosmin>no one can see my photo
04:39<ifvoid>gcosmin: gaim is the same thing as pidgin, only a different name
04:39<azeem>you could upgrade to testing
04:39<radoo>i begin to think the debian way simply can't do the job for my video card- maybe this nvidia 8800gtx is too new?
04:39<azeem>radoo: possibly
04:40<azeem>radoo: which version of Debian are you running?
04:40<cahoot>radoo: I suspect you need the nvidia driver in unstable for that card
04:40<azeem>if your card is newer than 6 months, it's likely too new for etch
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04:40<jm_>radoo: I told you all this yesterday
04:40<radoo>i brought it last winter in february or march...
04:40<azeem>that's 6 months ago
04:41<radoo>jm- i tried everything the people here told me too
04:41<jm_>radoo: you need to use newer driver
04:41<radoo>today i was trying to install the nvidia drivers i downloaded from their page, but i was told the version in debian package is the same as that in those drivers
04:42<jm_>it isn't for Etch
04:42<radoo>what isn't for etch?
04:42<jm_>nvidia's driver is much newer than the one in Etch
04:42<jm_>if you download it from their page
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04:43<radoo>it is this driver:
04:44<jm_>yeah compare that to Etch version ;)
04:44<radoo>can't i compile that run package for etch
04:44<jm_>radoo: you can, but you want to decide if you want to go that route
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04:45<radoo>is there another route to go?
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04:46<radoo>i simply can't see another possibility-why is everything so hard? at university i thought statical calculations are hard- they were a joke
04:47<dli>radoo, nvidia should work though
04:47<ifvoid>radoo: it's hard because nvidia doesn't want to properly support linux
04:47<radoo>but it doesn't work :)
04:48<dli>radoo, yes, you should buy intel graphics instead, intel provides open source driver
04:48<radoo>and do what with it?i make 3d here
04:48<ifvoid>or ati, in a little while
04:48<dli>radoo, yes, intel has open source 3d
04:49<dli>ifvoid, no, until there's a functional 3D open source driver for amd, just don't get caught by amd(ati) cheaters
04:50<radoo>ok, let's don't talk about the performance of intel or ati in comparison with nvidia- under windows at least, and till now it seems windows is the only os i can( read can't) rely on...and i can't say it loud enough, how angry that makes me
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04:50<dli>radoo, there's an open source driver for nvidia, nouveau, but I don't know how well it runs for you
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04:51<radoo>where is that? but first, what should i do in order to siply boot debian again- enter safe mode and change xorg.conf to vesa again?
04:52<dli>radoo, try nv, if it works at all
04:52<ifvoid>dli: that's why I said, in a little while
04:52<ifvoid>dli: and what do you mean by cheaters?
04:53<radoo>it doesn't...i tried it yesterday with the same result- a deep black screen...
04:53<ifvoid>dli: they seem to be cooperation very nicely
04:53<radoo>the nv driver i mean- it doesn't work- the behaviour is the same..identical..freeze
04:54<dli>ifvoid, yes, seems to be so, sounds good, and leave users with broken drivers all the time
04:54<ifvoid>you can't expect people to produce a worling driver in 3 weeks
04:54<jm_>heck intel hasn't managed it for years now (for Windows)
04:55<radoo>ok, i'm going to try to fix that broken xorg.conf...brb
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04:55<dli>ifvoid, we don't expect to see a functional 3D from amd for years, no point to buy amd then
04:56<dli>ifvoid, we would be really lucky to see 2D in one year
04:56<ifvoid>basic 2D has already been working for w few weeks
04:57<ifvoid>iirc, thet hope to get fill 2D done by the end of the year
04:57<dli>ifvoid, basic 2D already works without amd's words
04:57<ifvoid>dli: no it didn't
04:57<ifvoid>dli: not on the x2900
04:57<ifvoid>and other new cards
04:57<dli>ifvoid, yes, with the GPLed avivo driver
04:58<ifvoid>11:56 <dli> ifvoid, we would be really lucky to see 2D in one year
04:58<ifvoid>why did you say that then?
04:58<dli>ifvoid, you said "basic 2D"
04:58<dli>ifvoid, without acceleration!
04:58<ifvoid>as in non-accellerated 2d
04:58<ifvoid>and accellaration is suppoed to be done soon
04:58<dli>ifvoid, AMD hasn't released the specs yet
04:59<ifvoid> whatever
04:59<ifvoid>please crawl back under your stone
04:59<ifvoid>I'm going to to do somethign sueful
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05:12<njende>Hi there! Has anyone of you maybe made himself a debian installer cd with a 2.6.23 kernel?
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05:13<jm_>2.6.23 hasn't been released yet
05:13<njende>jm_: well there are some *experimental* 23 out
05:14<jm_>njende: yes and there's no point in making installation discs for that
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05:15<njende>jm_: my problem is a notebook which comes with a sis190 gigabit ethernet Nic, which I cant get working with the 2.6.22 and due to that the installation aborts
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05:16<jm_>njende: you can build your own 2.6.23 kernel and use it with d-i
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05:16<njende>jm_: true but therefor I should be a bit more confident in building an install cd myself
05:17<jm_>njende: ahh that's explained in d-i wiki
05:17<njende>jm_: have you got alink for me?
05:17<jm_>njende: has a link
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05:19<padski>surely you can complete an install without having to have a working ethernet driver ?
05:20<njende>padski: here the installer simply aborts and nothing happens; except that I have to reboot
05:20<njende>my notebook. I started the installer with the expertgui option
05:21<jm_>njende: is that netinst CD?
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05:22<njende>jm_: No. I got told yesterday that, after I gave the netinst a try, I should download only cd1 cause that'll do
05:22<jm_>njende: ahh that's even better - but at which point does it abort?
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05:23<njende>jm_: I can choose my language and I can work through all points in the menu and once I've done all that it tells me that the installation isn't complete and will abort
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05:24<jm_>njende: that makes no sense, did you check other tty-s for possible error messages?
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05:24<njende>no harddrive is going to initialized/formatted...simply spoken: nothing has happened
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05:25<njende>I checked dmesg and couldn't find anything - apart the NIC problem
05:25<RegEx>Hi, does anybody can help me with udev rules? Thanks
05:25<jm_>I doubt that was a reason for this
05:26<njende>jm_: any sugestions where I should have a look at?
05:26<jm_>njende: tty-s 2 through 4 or 5
05:26<jm_>actually not 2, 3 - 6 or so
05:27<jm_>RegEx: did you read Writing udev rules document?
05:27<RegEx>Yes, I did
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05:27<jm_>that covers lots of things
05:28<RegEx>I know, and I wrote the rules for my iPod and it doesn't work
05:28<njende>jm_: on tty-4 I see i.e. that there seems to be a prob with libc6
05:28<radoo>hi! i fixed that broken xorg.conf- single user mode din't work, the same black screen- so i did it from a live i have access to debian again
05:28<jm_>njende: what problem?
05:28<jm_>one can use udevinfo and udevtest to test stuff
05:29<radoo>somebody here told me about a brand new nvidia free driver- where can i get that from?
05:29<njende>main-menu[1232]: DEBUG: resolver (libc6): package doesn't exist (ignored)
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05:29<jm_>radoo: you don't want to use that in your current state ;)
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05:29<jm_>njende: this isn't Etch CD, right?
05:29<radoo>:) what can i use instead? if not the nvidia original drivers?
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05:30<njende>jm_: nopr this is lenny, due to the 2.6.22 kernel which should support the sis190, but doesnt as yet
05:30<jm_>radoo: personally nvidia driver is what I would try, i.e. first look if there are backports for Etch, otherwise simply use their driver
05:30<jm_>njende: hmm not quite familiar with that
05:30<radoo>what is a backport?
05:30<jm_>njende: maybe try installing Etch and then upgrade
05:30<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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05:31<njende>jm_: once I would get that beast somehow running I'll be able to build my own kernel. But to be honest, I hadn't had such difficulties with a Notebook before
05:31<radoo>how can i look if there are backports for nvidia?
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05:32<jm_>google shall help
05:32<njende>jm_: whom? me?
05:33<jm_>njende: naah
05:33<RegEx>jm, may I write here the rule for my iPod and so you can help me?
05:33<jm_>well maybe you too ;)
05:33<jm_>RegEx: I'm affraid not right now, I don't have udev installed here to have something to work with
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05:34<njende>RegEx: use the paste service
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05:34<jm_>RegEx: did you try udevtest?
05:34<RegEx>jm_: udev is installed, I wrote this rule => SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{serial}=="000A2700161C4599", ATTRS{vendor}=="Apple*", ATTRS{model}=="iPod*", SYMLINK+="ipod%n" .....
05:35<RegEx>and when I plug the iPod, there's any symlink
05:35<RegEx>devpath parameter missing
05:35<jm_>RegEx: use udevtest to see if your rulematches
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05:37<jm_>i.e. block/sda or somesuch
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05:37<RegEx>I see
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05:39<Internat-mac>ok so i have a question, i use narc to generate my iptables to setup NAT etc, but id like something that can log bandwidth.. so i can keep track of which computer uses which bandwidth
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05:44<jm_>ipac-ng, but it's no longer in Debian
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05:45<jm_>if I'm understanding you right anyway
05:45<Internat-mac>i want to keep track of how much each computer uploads and downloads
05:45<Internat-mac>whcih go via this computer :)
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05:46<jm_>so total amount of traffic or just currently?
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05:48<Internat-mac>preferably :)
05:48<Internat-mac>just keeping track of how much each computer on the network uploads/downloads a day works for me
05:49<jm_>yeah ipac-ng for total amounts, for current usage there are tools like nettop, jnettop (can aggregate on a per host basis for example) and so on
05:50<jm_>ntop, darkstat too
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06:04<twb>I didn't much like darkstat.
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06:04<twb>Really I wanted something to put on the router, that would track each host by MAC address.
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06:05<fgh>when i connect my camera with usb, how do i know which /dev/ it uses so i can mount it?
06:06<jm_>fgh: cat /proc/partitions or check logfiles
06:06<jm_>alternative: usbmount - automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices
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06:08<cahoot>fgh, you are sure it really is mountable?
06:09<seanius>fgh: some cameras do not show up as storage devices, too
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06:09<fgh>usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 19
06:09<fgh>thats all i got when connecting it
06:09<fgh>also cat /proc/partitions shows nothing
06:10<jm_>then try gphoto or somesuch
06:10<cahoot>gphoto2 --auto-detect - shows it?
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06:12<seanius>also, some cameras have a setting that lets you pick whether it shows up as a storage device or use the ptp protocol instead
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06:12<seanius>personally i don't bother since teh gnome/gthumb/gphoto2 combo "just works" for every camera i've used
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06:14<fgh>gphoto2 --auto-detect finds it, what now? :)
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06:15<cahoot>using gnome or kde or what?
06:15<fgh>icewm :/
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06:17<cahoot>if you want a gui I guess you could use gthumb or digikam (gnome or kde) plain gpoto2 can be used for downloading files from cli
06:18<jm_>or gphotofs
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06:19<seanius>i personally use gthumb. on most things i'm a cli guy, but since i typically need to visually review (and sometimes rotate etc) each photo, a gui actually makes sense to me
06:21<fgh>gthumb sounds great, but it would install alot of gnome deps on my system. :/
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06:21<jm_>even Beavis knows: "no pain, no gain"
06:22<seanius>yeah, if you're not using gnome then you probably wouldn't get the "just works" feature either. i haven't tried it but i guess if you use kde you could do digikam
06:23<twb>Don't most cameras just talk usb-storage these days?
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06:23<seanius>twb: it's a crapshoot. either usb-storage or ptp. and some (like my girlfriend's) do both
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06:25<cahoot>canons are ptp only afaik
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06:26<jm_>some are, some aren't IIRC
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06:31<twb>How evil.
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06:36<fgh>nope, anything could ever be easy. :(
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06:41<frido>Hi, has anybody installed debian on LSI SAS controller 1068E ?
06:42<petemc>im using some dells with sas controllers..
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06:43<streuner>LSI still exist?
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06:43<streuner>or is that an old SCSI controller?
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06:44<petemc>why would you think that lsi no longer exist?
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06:45<streuner>"Die Sun Galaxies (X4x00) haben einen LSI 1064 SAS Controller. Das sind
06:45<streuner>Hardware-RAID Controller die RAID-0 und 1 unterstützen. Im Linux-Kernel
06:45<streuner>werden die schon länger unterstützt (MPT Fusion), ich würde allerdings
06:45<streuner>vor allem unter 2.6.16 abraten."
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06:46<streuner>frido: i try to translate
06:46<streuner>frido: they are supported longer (MPT Fusion), but i wouldn't use 2.6.16
06:46<petemc>02:08.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 01)
06:47<petemc>Linux nxen 2.6.18-4-xen-686 #1 SMP Thu May 10 03:24:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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06:51<frido>I have new tyan server with LSI SAS 1068E, but problem is, that device pci ide (lspci -n) is 0059
06:51<frido>drivers are only for 0058
06:51<frido>so I change it and now I detect controller
06:52<frido>but problem is, that I can't detect raid array :(
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06:52<frido>I'm talking about MPT drivers
06:52<frido>in SCSI subtree
06:52<frido>LSI subtree detect nothing :(
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06:56<Kebianizao>I'm trying to get the source of kword, but I have a problem (probably with my sources.list)
06:56<Kebianizao>the error
06:57<Kebianizao>the sources.list:
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06:58<Kebianizao>any idea?
06:58<themill>Kebianizao: remove budgetdedicated from your sources.list
06:58<themill>Kebianizao: and then aptitude update
06:58<Kebianizao>it is already commented, can't you see?
06:58<themill>Kebianizao: have you run aptitude update?
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06:59<Kebianizao>themill: yep
06:59<Kebianizao>several times
06:59<themill>do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
06:59<Kebianizao>umm, good point, I forgot about that
06:59<Kebianizao>lemme check
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07:01<Kebianizao>themill: that was it
07:01<Kebianizao>there was a winehq source there
07:01<Kebianizao>thanks a lot :)
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07:12<UrsoBranco>hi all
07:13<Kebianizao>leaving, bye ;)
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07:14<UrsoBranco>somebody can tell me a package that uses reconfigure (a.k.a) dpkg-reconfigure to ask the user the same questions that it does when installing the package ?
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07:16<streuner>every single package is reconfigure(able) if the package itself has debconf...
07:16<themill>UrsoBranco: there are many.... e.g. xserver-xorg
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07:17<streuner>UrsoBranco: most do, so what kind of thingie do you want configure?
07:18<UrsoBranco>themill: streuner: I just want to see how them reconfigure the debconf variables
07:21<UrsoBranco>I'm building a package here that needs to
07:21<UrsoBranco>change some values of these variables to update the current status
07:21<jm_>try passwd package for example
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07:21<UrsoBranco>jm_: i cant figure out where in the package is this configure things
07:22<themill>UrsoBranco: you've read through the new maintainers guide and the debian developers guide, haven't you?
07:22<UrsoBranco>neither in postinst, preinst, or postrm I've found such a mention
07:22<UrsoBranco>themill: I've read the maint guide
07:22<jm_>UrsoBranco: config ;)
07:22<streuner>UrsoBranco: Tried man debconf ;-)
07:22<UrsoBranco>let me check if I have both of them here
07:22<UrsoBranco>streuner: its on the other window
07:23<UrsoBranco>just before I arrived here
07:23<streuner>"Debconf is a configuration system for Debian packages. For a debconf overview and documentation for sysadmins, see debconf(7) (in the deb-conf-doc package)."
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07:24<UrsoBranco>streuner: ok, I read it
07:24<UrsoBranco>but how write the configuration things
07:24<UrsoBranco>in preinst/prerm to
07:25<UrsoBranco>the package be able to reconfigure itself ?
07:25<jm_>UrsoBranco: read .config script
07:25<UrsoBranco>jm_: where?
07:26<jm_>UrsoBranco: uhm /var/lib/dpkg/info, same place where postinst scripts are
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07:27<UrsoBranco>jm_: hmmm, I don't have it here, does it belong to a specific package ?
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07:28<jm_>UrsoBranco: echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.config
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07:30<lianto>is there anyone who can help me? Is there someway to install debian etch to a computer which doesn't have network connection or dvdrom?
07:30<UrsoBranco>jm_: thanks, I have some of package.config here
07:31<streuner>!rube goldberg install
07:31<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
07:31<themill>lianto: lots and lots of CDs
07:32<streuner>lianto: well, read ig (/msg dpkg ig) and if needed just buy a CDROM or DVDROM, they are cheap :-)
07:32<UrsoBranco>jm_: I'll try to adapt one of them to my package
07:32<UrsoBranco>streuner: tks
07:32<UrsoBranco>themill: tks
07:32<themill>np... learning from other packages is the easiest way ;)
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07:33<lianto>i am sorry :) i will describe my real situation now
07:33<lianto>i have a laptop and a desktop computer
07:34<lianto>internet connection 56kbps, dvdrom and cdrom too :) and debian etch dvds
07:34<streuner>well, you need to make *that* box work on a LAN
07:35<lianto>i want to install etch to my laptop, but my laptop's dvdrom always faile d to install in the phase installing package (tasksel)
07:35<lianto>i can install to desktop because when i check dvd integrity, they're ok
07:35<streuner>lianto: the laptop has a NIC?
07:36<streuner>so whats the problem to connect to internet?
07:36<lianto>i guess my laptop dvdrom has compatibility problem with the dvd
07:36<lianto>it's too dam slow :)
07:36<streuner>so only dialup?
07:36<lianto>to download the image will require me to connect my computer almost 2 or three days
07:36<lianto>yes :(
07:37<DeathGhost>UrsoBranco Portugues ?
07:37<streuner>lianto: it depends how much the connection is, flat or such no problem...
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07:37<UrsoBranco>DeathGhost: Brasileiro :)
07:37<streuner>lianto: it would take time, but its possible
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07:37<DeathGhost>hehe :)
07:37<DeathGhost><- PT
07:37<lianto>you mean i don't have to download all the image first?
07:38<UrsoBranco>DeathGhost: cool :)
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07:38<streuner>lianto: ones you have a working system, you can install every package via internet
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07:38<lianto>my other problem is i cannot connect to internet freely, only about 4 - 5 hours daily
07:38<lianto>about this time around
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07:39<lianto>streuner: how can i get a working system?
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07:39<lianto>i only know by using the dvd installer...
07:39<streuner>lianto: well, you said you are the process (tasksel), so basic system is already installed..
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07:40<streuner>just make the modem work
07:40<lianto>that's an idea
07:40<dpkg>hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
07:41<streuner>there are some trics and tips how to make some laptops to work
07:41<lianto>ok thanks streuner, i will try it immediately, ttfn
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07:41<streuner>lianto: as a first start just install fluxbox and X
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07:41<streuner>good luck
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08:02<twb>Say, according to there is a new version of webkit that hasn't got into sid yet.
08:03<twb>How do I get it.
08:03<twb>!incoming >twb
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08:04<twb>Hmm, there isn't a copy at
08:05<jm_>then I have no idea
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08:05<Myon>"new" != incoming
08:05<twb>I suppose it might have moved in the last day/hour, and the web reports not updated yet
08:06<Myon>twb: you need to ask the maintainer/uploader
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08:06<twb>OK. I mainly wanted to see if my bug report was still applicable for the new version; if not, I wasn't gonna bother reporting it.
08:06<twb>I'll just report the bug against my current version.
08:07<Myon>you can see the changelog
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08:32<Aleric>How can I start an application while on desktop 1, but opening the window on desktop 2 ?
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08:33<Nyle>Aleric: gnome? kde? what?
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08:33<Nyle>Aleric: I know on kde its not that hard
08:35<themill>Nyle: do share...
08:35<Nyle>themill: special/advanced window settings, force or set it to open in a certain desktop
08:35<Nyle>themill: another way, is save manually the session, restore it
08:36<themill>ahhh... but it can't be done prior to launching it (like DISPLAY=:1 konsole)
08:36<Nyle>themill: latter isn't really what he wants, but other than the former way, I don't know how to open an app etc.
08:36<themill>I thought you had a way to do that :)
08:36<Nyle>no he didn't mean a diff display
08:36<Nyle>he said desktop 1/2 as in virtual desktops
08:36<themill>I know but I was hoping there was a similar approach
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08:36<Nyle>you can easily do this
08:37<Nyle>launch konsole on another display say :3 you go konsole -display :3
08:37<Nyle>i am not sure what you are trying to do themill
08:37<themill>Exactly the same as Aleric
08:37<Nyle>i dont get it
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08:38<themill>Say I'm sitting in konsole on desktop 1 and I want to launch digikam on desktop2, how can I do that only by typing commands on the command line.
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08:39<Nyle>what do you mean by desktop 1 and desktop 2
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08:39<themill>the virtual desktops that you have in any modern wm
08:39<Nyle>you mean a different X display like :0 :1 etc.? or virtual desktops
08:40<maxamillion>any recomendations for a cli email client that i can use with a smtp mail server?
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08:40<Nyle>themill: well once you set the window rule you can just launch it. Maybe consult with #kde on freenode to see if dcop can help. with dcop you should be able to direct an application to a certtain workspace
08:40<themill>maxamillion: please don't ask in two places at once.
08:40<Aleric>Nyle: Sorry - gnome, metacity.
08:42<Nyle>Aleric: you are out of luck as i don't know kde
08:42<Aleric>It is supposed to be possible by using devilspie, but that doesn't work :/
08:42<Nyle>I loath gtk2 and anything gnome related
08:42<themill>Nyle: yeah... but that requires me to launch it twice... once to set that up and then another time to actually have it happen. What if I want v.desktop 3 this time? I might look at a dcop or similar approach.
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08:43[~]Aleric is very unhappy with metacity as window manager :/
08:43<maxamillion>themill: its on different networks, i assumed different people would be in different networks
08:43<Aleric>It is especially very bad for multi-head setups.
08:43<themill>maxamillion: hardly... and polls are bad anyway.
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08:44<Aleric>I wrote thousands of lines of patches for it, so it's good usable now with multi-head - but the maintainers don't have time to "review" my patch... I've been waiting more than two years already.
08:44<Aleric>I don't think it will ever get in.
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08:44<Aleric>That makes it not very interesting to me to fix any other issue with metacity either.
08:44<maxamillion>themill: ok
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08:49<lrp>hey there
08:50<lrp>im having a big trouble installing debian in a server dell pro
08:50<lrp>i have the sistem all ready installed and the serer sayds no operative sistem found
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08:53<lrp>any ideas?
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08:55<Aleric><lrp> I have the system already installed but the server says no operating system found
08:55<lrp>Aleric, yes
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08:55<lrp>Aleric, the bios
08:55<Aleric>Then why didn't you say so? :p
08:56<lrp>Aleric, the bios of the server (dell 64 bits)
08:56<lrp>Aleric, a dell server Poweredge 1800 server
08:56<Aleric>Normally I really don't have time for this .... but well, i'm bored.
08:57<Aleric>You installed debian on it?
08:57<Aleric>From a DVD?
08:57<lrp>but no boot
08:57<lrp>from cd
08:57<lrp>from a cd
08:57<Aleric>Is there another OS installed, like windows?
08:57<lrp>there was installed suse linux
08:58<Aleric>During installation, did you re-do the partition?
08:58<Aleric>Did tell it to use the whole disk?
08:58<lrp>i did not
08:58<Aleric>Why not?
08:58<lrp>because there is an ftp server and ther must be one particion only for shared data
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08:59<Aleric>But... so, it seemed to install fine?
08:59<lrp>a friend of mine here is telling me that debian sucks because when suse was there he just booted fine , and im trying to find what is the trouble with boot
08:59<Aleric>Did it tell you or ask you about lilo/grub ?
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08:59<lrp>Aleric, yes i install grub
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09:00<mjk>What's the consequential difference between "--offset" and "--skip" on cryptsetup? Is one variant safer?
09:00<themill>lrp: tell your friend that his contribution to fixing things was quite valuable and that he should go away ;)
09:00<Aleric>Did it say that it INSTALLED grub, or did it say that there was another bootloader detected (the old one from suse) and therefore it did skip grub?
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09:01<lrp>themill, thats what i told him , and thats the reason why im seeking here info , to shut his words about debian linux
09:02<lrp>themill im going to try delete all the partitions and start over again may be i miss some step in the partitions
09:02<lrp>Aleric, yes?
09:02<Aleric>[16:02] <Aleric> Did it say that it INSTALLED grub, or did it say that there was another bootloader detected (the old one from suse) and therefore it did skip grub?
09:03<lrp>well this is the 3rd time i try to install the sistme because with mini debian iso was having some trouble , but them give me some minutes im going to try again may be i missed some step in the partitions
09:03<Aleric>You still didn't answer me.
09:04[~]Aleric loses interest.
09:04<themill>lrp: there is no need to do that. Answer Aleric's question...
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09:09<Aleric>Maybe it's my method, but I seldom meet people online that keep answering my questions... we're at like 30% now... and he just disappears.
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09:09<petemc>people suck
09:09<petemc>film at 11
09:09<Aleric>Ie, didn't even get to the question what image he's trying to install - probably 32bit - heh.
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09:09<themill>Aleric: I thought you were doing fine.... there are just enough windoze users out there who think that reinstalling will solve things.
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09:09<chen>Is there any one's cpu is 64 bit ?
09:09<themill>Aleric: don't worry, he'll be back with exactly the same problem soon...
09:09<Aleric>I have the feeling it might have to do with the extra partition..
09:09<Aleric>chen: Mine are.
09:09<Aleric>All four of them.
09:09<chen>?? all four ?
09:09<chen>32 * 4 ?
09:09<Aleric>They are 74 degrees celcius now.. thinking about a chess position from the game I played yesterday ...
09:10<Aleric>It sucks that I have to run this application in 32 bit wine environment :/
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09:10<chen>I feel xwine isn't well at all
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09:12<Aleric>It is sick?
09:13<chen>can you tell me what game can I play on debain ?
09:13<lrp>Aleric, im still installing the server , (i think the trouble was in the boot loader installation i have to rename sdb instead hd0 )
09:13<Aleric>Hmpf. If I'd ever write a window manager - it would put every window exactly where the user asks it to put. It just sucks that they try to be smart and move windows around all the time.
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09:13<lrp>themill, what do you think about that ?
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09:14<chen>I just want to try some game on debian
09:14<lrp>i think the boot loader was installed in the wrong place sda /ftp hard drive and sdb file system hard drive
09:15<chen>but all I download from aptitude is very boring
09:15<padski>chen: xbill
09:15<chen>is it good?
09:15<lrp>im going to play mortal kombat3 if i made the boot from the sever :)
09:15<padski>chen: I recommend it :-)
09:16<Aleric>lrp: I can't remember how that works during installation from CD, but it seems a bit weird that if you install a new OS that it defaults to sdb and that you have to change that into hd0 ... I'd think that picking defaults should work.
09:16<chen>okay,i'll try it
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09:16<lrp>Aleric, defaultd does not work
09:16<lrp>Aleric, i said change hd0 to sdb
09:17<Aleric>I usually skip installing the bootloader... it gives too much headaches if you do it from an OS installer. I just install it myself afterwards.
09:17<chen>xbill ----Get rid of those Wingdows Viruses!
09:17<padski>chen: paranoia!
09:17<Aleric>lrp: It depends on the kernel etc.
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09:17<Aleric>lrp: What kernel are you using?
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09:18<themill>chen: frozenbubble
09:18<lrp>thats the kernel of that server
09:18<lrp>see 64 bits
09:18<Aleric>lrp: What's wrong with a new kernel?
09:18<lrp>my computer its 32 bits
09:18<themill>lrp: why are you trying to install a 2.4 kernel?
09:18<chen>thanks guys
09:19<lrp>brb im going check the server
09:19<Aleric>Linux hikaru 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 13:54:41 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
09:19<adii>could anyone give me the name of a good editor (to code in C)
09:19<padski>adii: vi
09:19<themill>adii: kdevelop
09:19<Aleric>I have 2.6.22-2 installed.. but still need to reboot.
09:19<adii>graphic one ?
09:19<Aleric>adii: vim
09:19<padski>adii: or emacs (take your pick)
09:20<Aleric>Real Coders use vim ...
09:20<themill>adii: kdevelop has ctags, gdb, autotools and valgrind support all built in and it's nice and shiny
09:20<Aleric>And it doesn't support vim
09:20<adii>let's go for the nice n shiny one
09:20<adii>"real coders use vim" ...
09:21<adii>so you are not a real coder unless you use vim ? c'mon
09:21<lrp>he installed the boot loader in the same hd0
09:21<padski>real admins certainly use vim. I suspect many a "developer" uses emacs. whether they are real coders or not ...
09:22<lrp>now im afraid to see if the same when i reboot
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09:22<Aleric>lrp: you *installed* it in hd0 ??
09:22<lrp>im going to check boot loader afther reboot to change the devices ?
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09:22<chen>Ever get the feeling that nothing is going right? You’re a sysadmin,
09:22<chen> and someone’s trying to destroy your computers. The little people run‐
09:22<chen> ning around the screen are trying to infect your computers with Wing‐
09:22<chen> dows [TM], a virus cleverly designed to resemble a popular operating
09:22<chen> system. Your objective is to click the mouse on them, ending their
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09:22<lrp>Aleric, he installed without asking me
09:22<Aleric>What about installing it in the MBR?
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09:23<lrp>Aleric, now im afraid , because i did the same before and when the server reboot the bios sayd no OS found
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09:23<Aleric>lrp: Yeah, but you don't answer my questions, so I can't help.
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09:24<lrp>Aleric, no i installed in hd1
09:24<lrp>hd0 its empty
09:24<lrp>hd0 i thinks its sda
09:24<Aleric>Grrr, Rybka has been thinking ALL this time, without printing more... it's using 100% cpu, but it seems to produce no more output...
09:25<Aleric>lrp: Computers never work when you're guessing things. You have to know what you are doing.
09:25[~]lrp i think im goung to cry
09:26[~]lrp going
09:26<Aleric>What do you need that rogue partition for?
09:26<lrp>the sda partition its a external hard drive
09:26<lrp>anyway i think im screw
09:26<Aleric>If there is only one Operating System on that machine, you should just use the whole disk for it (albeit partitioned in several partitions).
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09:27<Aleric>And how on Earth is it possible you are installing a 2.4 kernel?
09:27<lrp>Aleric, im using all the disk
09:27<lrp>Aleric, its not 2.4 i was wrong ok
09:27<lrp>Aleric, :((
09:27<Aleric>Ok, then what kernel version is it?
09:28[~]themill quietly sobs into his lab book....
09:28<lrp>Aleric, amd 64
09:28<Aleric>Did you burn that CD image yourself?
09:28<lrp>Aleric, i download from debian mirror and burned
09:29<Aleric>Can you give me the exact url to the image that you downloaded?
09:29<Aleric>Does the machine have a good internet connection?
09:29<lrp>Aleric, mi machine yes , but the server does not have internet conection
09:30<Aleric>Why did you burn the CD image, why not the DVD one?
09:30<lrp>Aleric, hehehe (i live in cuba dvd are kinda expensive and i dont have dvd reader on that server)
09:31<Aleric>Are you going to download and burn all 21 CD images?
09:31<lrp>Aleric, no , i have a debian mirror here
09:31<Aleric>(I suppose just the first might work if you do a minimal install)
09:31<lrp>Aleric, all i need is 1 cd the rest i do from netwqork
09:31<dli>lrp, so, the server has access to the mirror?
09:31<lrp>dli yes
09:32<Aleric>You could do a netinstall too then.. but ok, lets use this cd. No problem.
09:32<dli>lrp, what's the issue then?
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09:32<Aleric>lrp: Can you tell me exactly what you configure(d) as partitions?
09:32<themill>dli: it's a screwed up grub setup. There are various different external drives around and strange extra partitions too...
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09:33<chen>how can i get the source while getting the program in debian
09:33<chen>how can i get the source code while getting the program in debian
09:33<dli>chen, apt-get source foo
09:33<themill>chen: the source for any package is available by doing apt-get source <package name>, provided you have a deb-src line matching the deb line
09:33<lrp>Aleric, /boot 500 mb enabled boot /root /home /swap /tmp
09:34<lrp>Aleric, and the sda sata disk /var with 300 gb
09:34<Aleric>lrp: no / ?
09:34<lrp>Aleric, / means /root
09:34<Aleric>/root shouldn't be a seperate partion?
09:34<Aleric>Well, /root exists... so just type / :p
09:34<dli>lrp, you have reasons to use /tmp and /home?
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09:35<themill>lrp: are /boot and / on this external drive?
09:35<Aleric>lrp: I suppose the easiest/best way is to boot the CD into rescue mode and install grub yourself on the MBR.
09:35<lrp>themill, no i have boot in the same hard drive
09:35<dli>themill, /boot on external, freak
09:35<themill>lrp: internal hard drive? ide? sata?
09:35<lrp>Aleric, i boot again with the same cd and tipe rescue rigth ?
09:35<lrp>themill, Sata
09:35<Aleric>lrp: F-something... hit F1
09:36<Aleric>I think it's typing rescue yes.
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09:36<dli>lrp, you need grub rescue?
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09:36<lrp>Aleric, wait a sec let me reboot the server to see what happends
09:36<Aleric>You can be here and do this at the same time?
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09:36<lrp>more or less the server its in other office but i can run 30 times to there if that solve my troub;le
09:37[~]themill thinks that lrp might be onto a good fitness plan here
09:38<lrp>aim back
09:38<lrp>now its starting server
09:38<lrp>ahh my bott its installed in RAID hard drive
09:38<lrp>ahh my bott its installed in RAID hard drive
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09:39<lrp>exactly same now im going to restart and try rescue mode
09:39<lrp>no operative system found
09:39<lrp>Aleric, debian have support for RAID disks?
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09:40<themill>Aleric: /boot on raid?
09:40<adii>anybody can help me with coding in caml ? :p
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09:41<lrp>themill, yes
09:41<lrp>Aleric, check the bios message
09:41<lrp>Aleric, PXE-E61 Media test failure
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09:41<Aleric>lrp: Did you boot the CD?
09:41<lrp>Aleric, PXE M0F Exiting internal boot
09:42<lrp>Aleric, no operative system found
09:42<lrp>Aleric, thats all
09:42<lrp>that 3 words
09:42<chen>I like debian when i know the command apt-source foo
09:42<chen>thank you
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09:43<Aleric>lrp: You told me that you tried re-installing the OS several times...
09:43<Aleric>lrp: That means you CAN boot the CD image.
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09:43<lrp>Aleric, yessssss
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09:43<lrp>Aleric, i cannot boot from hARD DRIVE
09:43<chen>It's exciting
09:43<Aleric>Boot the CD image and go into rescue mode
09:43<lrp>Aleric, and ?
09:44<lrp>Aleric, and change the position of boot loader right ?
09:44<Aleric>Well, you ran away to "try" it.
09:44<lrp>Aleric, wait let me run there
09:44<chen>now , I am try to modify the frozen-bubble
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09:44<Aleric>Install grub on the MBR - obviously you don't know how to do that, I am doubting we'll manage to do it either if you constantly run away.
09:44<chen>on my idea
09:45<dli>chen, if you like debian, you should know "rtfm" also
09:45<chen>what is this rtfm?
09:45<dli>!tell chen about rtfm
09:46<chen>I am listening
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09:46<chen>okay , i am going to man
09:46<chen>the rtfm
09:46<Aleric>rtfm tells you that you can never because a guru by asking people on IRC. You have to read, read, read, read, read... reading docs and manuals is the only way. IRC is just there for those cases where you are totally stuck of days and days.
09:47[~]Aleric always types different words, not normal typos :/
09:47<dli>chen, rtfm makes debian good :)
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09:48<chen>I see
09:48<Aleric>Even better, you can ask on IRC what to read.
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09:48<lrp>Aleric, im back
09:49<lrp>Aleric, he is asking me to root filesystem to rescue something but now see how devices see /dev/sci/host3/bus2/target0/lun0/part1 to 6
09:49<lrp>Aleric, what do you think now what i have to do there ,?
09:49<themill>Aleric: even better, you can read what the people on irc tell you... :)
09:50<lrp>themill, im in rescue mode dude
09:50<lrp>themill, now what i have to do to manage the boot loader?
09:50<lrp>enable one terminal and edite by hand ?
09:50<Aleric>lrp: none of those seem like root partitions, aren't they part of the RAID?
09:50<lrp>edit by hand i mean ?
09:50<lrp>Aleric, RAID
09:51<Aleric>lrp: The partition you'd need looks like /dev/md0
09:51<dli>lrp, hardware raid?
09:51<lrp>Aleric, Md0 ?
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09:51<lrp>Aleric, wait
09:51<Aleric>dli: they chance that he has hardware raid is nil
09:52<dli>Aleric, but grub still works with raid1 only
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09:52<lrp>Aleric, you are wrong
09:52<lrp>Aleric, you are wrong i enabled one of console and i type fdisk -l
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09:53<lrp>the raid are /dev/sci/host3/bus2/target0/lin0/part1 witch are boot
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09:53<lrp>now what i ahve to do to fix the boot loader?
09:54<Aleric>lrp: Are you saying that /dev/sci/host3/bus2/target0/lin0/part1 = /boot ?
09:54<lrp>Aleric, yes
09:54<Aleric>What RAID are you using?
09:54<lrp>there are from 1 to 6
09:54<Aleric>Did you put /boot on the first partition?
09:55<themill>lrp: don't wander off and ask in another channel while people are helping you here.
09:55<Aleric>He is???
09:56<themill>Aleric: just did
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09:56<themill>[15:54] <lrp> hey any ideas abotu fix my boot loader (RAID disks)
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09:57<lrp>themill, oookokok
09:57<radoo>hi! how can i kill x? CABackspace only restarts it...
09:57<Aleric>lrp: Who do you think I am? Some newbie that doesn't know what he's doing?
09:57<themill>lrp: Aleric has been doing a fantastic job helping you here, despite the fact that you've not been giving him straight answers to his questions.
09:57<lrp>Aleric, i dont think anything my friend im just asking for help
09:57<Eulex>radoo, it restarts because your display manager restarts it. thus you don't want to kill X, you want to shut down your display manager.
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09:58<lrp>Aleric, im sorry if im starting to be anoying ,
09:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 332] by debhelper
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09:59<radoo>i must exit x before instaling that nvidia only restart the x
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09:59<Eulex>radoo, right.
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10:00<Eulex>radoo, /etc/init.d/[xkg]dm stop
10:00<lrp>Aleric, boot is in the RAID disk and yes its the first partition
10:00<Eulex>radoo, or just install the nvidia drivers the debian way
10:00<lrp>Aleric, but when i type fdisk -L the first hard disk is the other the external disk not the RAID thisk
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10:01<radoo>ok..then back with xstart? the debian way doesn't work :) it simply doesn'T- my card is probably too new
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10:02<lrp>Aleric, /dev/sci/host3/bus2/target0/lin0/part1 = /boot ? answerd YES
10:02<lrp>Aleric, i dont know what tipe of raid are , 6thats a new server
10:02<Aleric>[16:56] <Aleric> What RAID are you using?
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10:02<Aleric>RAID 5 ? 10 ? 1 ? 0 ?
10:02<Eulex>radoo, no, you'd start your display manager again. and define 'doesn't work'
10:03<Eulex>radoo, also, are you running stable, testing or unstable and what card do you have?
10:03<radoo>wait: in order :) i have an nvidia 8800gtx- running etch-stable
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10:05<radoo>i tried 2 methods of debian way- all i got was a deep black screen- meaning not a comand prompt or something- just deeply frozen- even ctrl-alt-del didn't work anymore and that in both single user and normal
10:05<radoo>i had to fix the xorg.conf from a live-cd
10:05<Aleric>radoo: You might try my way ...
10:05<Eulex>radoo, right, the debian way won't do.
10:06<Eulex>radoo, it might do if you get the drivers from unstable (with a simple sid backport), but I dunno how easy that would be
10:06<radoo>both drivers: nv and nvidia
10:06<Aleric>radoo: You need the latest (or a very late) nvidia driver. At least 100.14.09 .. 100.14.11 is the latest? Dunno. I wrote a howto on how to install that on debian.
10:06<radoo>i tried that also...i think what i did, i included an unstable mirror in the list
10:07<radoo>that would be great aleric that would be simply great
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10:07<radoo>i'm tring from yesterday morning to make that thing work...
10:07<Aleric>click on "Quick download" to go to the bottom.
10:07<Eulex>radoo, that's _not_ the way to do it, and if you do it that way you might have half 'upgraded' to unstable if you aren't cautious
10:07<Aleric>Download both scripts.
10:08<Aleric>Put them in an empty directory with write permissions for non-root (I use /usr/src/nvdia)
10:08<Aleric>Run ./build-nvidia-kernel as non-root.
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10:08<Aleric>You need to be able to run 'sudo apt-get' as that user.
10:08<radoo>no, waqit, i mean the download was done...for the rest ai will need a bit more infos....
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10:09<Aleric>*shrug* - you either try it or not.
10:09<radoo>how do i make an empty director with write perm for non roots?
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10:09<Aleric>sudo mkdir /usr/src/nvidia; sudo chown YOU /usr/src/nvidia
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10:09<radoo>sorry aleric :) forgot to say, yesterday was my first day of linux..debian...all of this
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10:10<thejk>can you help me, with configure my network-card?
10:10<lrp>Aleric, im back
10:10<lrp>Aleric, i tell you now
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10:10<radoo>sudo mkdir /usr/src/nvidia; sudo chown YOU /usr/src/nvidia
10:10<lrp>Aleric, only @
10:10<lrp>Aleric, only 2
10:10<radoo>cannot create directory `/usr/src/nvidia': File exists
10:10<Aleric>radoo: then I guess you have to trust me... Read the url I gave you and do what it says. Somewhere along the way you have to download yourself.
10:11<Aleric>radoo: Is it empty?
10:11<radoo>ok :)yes
10:11<Aleric>What is your username?
10:11<lrp>Aleric, only 2 raid disks
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10:12<Aleric>Try: sudo chown radoo /usr/src/nvidia
10:12<Aleric>Now, you are NOT root right?
10:12<Aleric>cd /usr/src/nvidia
10:12<radoo>no, i only have a root terminal open...
10:13<Aleric>put the two scripts from that url in that directory.
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10:13<radoo>i did it
10:13<Aleric>chmod +x both of them
10:14<Aleric>Now you have to download a beta driver... let me find the url for you.
10:14<lrp>Aleric, Aleric ??
10:14<Aleric>radoo: You have 32bit or 64bit?
10:14<radoo>i386 32bit itthink
10:15<radoo>i already have the
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10:16<Aleric>put it in that directory
10:16<Aleric>let me download it too.. then I'll run the same commands first ;) Just to be sure I make no mistake ...
10:16<radoo>those 2 scripts are .htm is that allright?
10:17<Aleric>-rwxr-xr-x 1 carlo src 31159 2007-08-31 03:35 build-nvidia-kernel*
10:17<Aleric>-rwxr-xr-x 1 carlo src 7288 2007-06-23 23:14 install-nvidia-debian*
10:18<radoo>-rwxr-xr-x: command not found
10:18<Aleric>radoo: That was the output of the command:
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10:18<Aleric>ls -l
10:19<lrp>Aleric, hello??
10:19<Aleric>lrp: I'm not helping anymore
10:19<lrp>Aleric, ok thanks
10:19<radoo>drwxr-xr-x 2 radoo radoo 4096 2007-10-05 19:16 Desktop
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10:19<Aleric>lrp: just one remark... you can only use RAID1 (or 0, rtfm) for /boot. RAID isn't assembled until after the kernel boots.
10:19<Aleric>too late
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10:20<Aleric>radoo: cd /usr/src/nvidia
10:20<Aleric>radoo: ls -l
10:20<radoo>-rwxr-xr-x 1 radoo src 31159 2007-10-05 19:08 build-nvidia-kernel.htm
10:20<radoo>-rwxr-xr-x 1 radoo src 7288 2007-10-05 19:08 install-nvidia-debian.htm
10:20<radoo>-rw-r--r-- 1 radoo radoo 15105713 2007-10-05 12:12
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10:21<Aleric>radoo: mv build-nvidia-kernel.htm build-nvidia-kernel
10:21<Aleric>radoo: mv install-nvidia-debian.htm install-nvidia-debian
10:21<radoo>ok, but no output
10:21<Aleric>radoo: Ok, now copy and paste the following commands (I hate typos):
10:22<Aleric>If the result is more than three lines, don't paste it here. Just tell me it's too much.. Or even better, try to understand it and give me the relevant part only :p
10:22<radoo>i can paste it in a bin
10:22<Aleric>radoo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
10:22<Aleric>question is: did that work (is nvidia-kernel-common now installed)?
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10:23<radoo>radoo is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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10:23<Aleric>You are root on that box right?
10:23<radoo>but wait!i already installed that as i tried the debian way...or?
10:23<Aleric>Yes, probably I was just checking.
10:23<Aleric>Are there any other users using that PC?
10:23<radoo>no- is my personal one
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10:24<Aleric>Is it in a secure environment? (Ie, you bedroom, or livingroom)
10:24<radoo>yes :)
10:24<radoo>i'm home :)
10:25<Aleric>Ok, become root: su
10:25<Aleric>then type:
10:25<Aleric>I hope you know how to use the edits that pops up...
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10:26<Aleric>Below the line "# User alias specification" add:
10:26<radoo>make changes exit with ctrlx and save changes :)#
10:26<Aleric>radoo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
10:27<Aleric>That allows you to use sudo command for ANY command and without password. Hence, radoo has no full root permissions.
10:27<radoo>under this or should i delete this root ALL=(ALL) ALL
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10:27<Aleric>no, just add this
10:27<radoo>did it
10:28<Aleric>Again: realize that it makes radoo have the same permissions as root. So, if you are logged in and leave your PC, anyone with access to your keyboard will have root access.
10:28<Aleric>But, it's very handy :p ;)
10:28<Aleric>Ok, exit root
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10:28<radoo>i understand- but there is nobody here :)
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10:28<Aleric>You are in /usr/src/nvidia again, right?
10:28<odla>if i run apt-get source kdebase ... that'll get the most recent kdebase source commit in either testing or testing security if that's what i'm running right?
10:29<Aleric>radoo: Then try again as radoo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
10:29<radoo>sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
10:30<radoo>sorry this one nvidia-kernel-common is already the newest version.
10:30<Aleric>odla: yes
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10:30<odla>Aleric: strange
10:30<Aleric>radoo: sudo apt-get install --dry-run nvidia-glx
10:30<radoo>nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
10:31<Aleric>radoo: ./build-nvidia-kernel
10:31<radoo>wait a bit...i try to see what it says
10:31<Aleric>A lot?
10:32<radoo>like 9 lines or so...i'll paste it in a bin
10:32<Aleric>doesn't matter... I just let you run it to get some sane state... Oh. 9 lines is NOT a lot :p
10:32<Aleric>It should print a 100 or so.
10:32<radoo>oh :(
10:33<radoo>should i paste that?
10:33<Aleric>No problem, I wrote the damn thing - so just show me what it said :p
10:33<Aleric>not here
10:33<Aleric>you can msg me 9 lines, or use a paste site
10:35<Aleric>And I thought that output would be clear :/
10:35<Aleric>The last two lines are:
10:35<Aleric>Use ./build-nvidia-kernel --beta=<version> to create a package with version <version>.
10:35<Aleric>For example: ./build-nvidia-kernel --beta=100.14.19
10:35<radoo>what do you mean?
10:35<Aleric>What about running:
10:35<Aleric>./build-nvidia-kernel --beta=100.14.19
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10:37<radoo>i have non free sources in the list...and unstable
10:37<radoo>should i paste the content of my sources.list?
10:38<Aleric>This error wouldn't have happened if we followed the webpage... but I forgot that it was needed... Hmm. Yeah, I guess it's needed for a beta version.
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10:39<JasonS>ouch radoo
10:39<Aleric>You have both, stable and testing in there?
10:39<radoo>i don't know...somebody said i should try i aded unstable to the sources...
10:40<Aleric>This looks horrible... I wonder how your box can still work
10:40<Aleric>Actually, I have no idea how to fix it... did you run apt-get upgrade since you changed this file?
10:40<Aleric>I hope not :)
10:40<radoo>after i added those sources i made only a nvidia update- not the rest
10:41<Aleric>Can you change this file back to what it was?
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10:41<Aleric>From your memory...
10:41<radoo>i can't remember how it was
10:41<Aleric>Undo what you did
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10:42<radoo>oh...but it was in another session :) look, if you are still here, i can install debian fresh- it takes only an hour or so...
10:42<Aleric>radoo: cat /etc/debian_version
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10:42<radoo>? i thought it was etch
10:42<Aleric>That's testing ...
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10:43<radoo>what should i do now? reinstall?
10:43<JasonS>radoo: i suspect you upgraded and didn't know it
10:43<radoo>it can be though ...i don't understand very much ...yet...
10:44<radoo>can i downgrade it?
10:44<Aleric>radoo: If you want to run etch (stable), you probably have to do a reinstall. Otherwise I think we can just change the /etc/apt/sources.list file
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10:45<radoo>ok :) i think maybe if i make this install for nvidia, it will be much easier to do it by myself next time
10:45<Aleric>Who told you to use unstable? I'd like to know his name (considering you are only using debian for a day ;) :p
10:45<radoo>yes, i'll go for this unstable version
10:45<Aleric>No you won't
10:45<Aleric>testing, maybe. unstable, no way.
10:46<radoo>i can't remember exactly- it wasn't said directly: do it!! it was suggested here it could work from unstable sources...
10:46<Aleric>unstable is for guru's who have too much time on their hands and who are a debian developer and therefore NEED to test alpha versions.
10:46<radoo>ok :)
10:47<radoo>i mean, i can only change that sources.list
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10:47<Risjh>hi can someone help me
10:47<Risjh>i want to reinstall grub, i have the netinst cd, what should i do?
10:47<Aleric>Hi lpr
10:47<Aleric>lrp even
10:48<Risjh>i tried the rescue mode, and reached to the stage where i got the prompt, but then typing "grub" i get the error, Error openining terminal: bterm
10:48<Risjh>what should i do?
10:49<radoo>"lrp even"- command not found
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10:49<Aleric>radoo: that wasn't for you :p
10:50<radoo>what should i do now?
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10:51<Aleric>radoo: are you in .de or .uk ?
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10:52<Aleric>radoo: Lets try this: replace your whole /etc/apt/sources.list with:
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10:54<JasonS>yes we see you mili and odla
10:54<mili>i dont see anybody ??
10:55<Aleric>radoo: Then run: sudo apt-get update; followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ... check carefully if you like the result before hitting Y
10:55<mili>hello rosminet
10:56<rosminet>Between JFS, or ReiserFS, what will you advice for a small file server at home ?:)
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10:56<rosminet>I experimented too much corrupted files with ext3 :-(
10:56<Aleric>radoo: Things you wouldn't like is huge amount of packages being kept back - removed kernels or libc packages etc... Well, I guess you better paste it before you hit Y :p
10:56<odla>JasonS: thanks i was responding to mili
10:56<chen>guys , what is your time now ?
10:57<Eulex>rosminet, jfs or reiserfs won't fix that then, they will only make it worse.
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10:57<dli>rosminet, do you have hardware problem? try badblocks
10:57<chen>It is deep in night now , and you?
10:58<rosminet>I'm not sure it was hardware problem, but I had to shut off my computer :-(
10:58<chen>?? where are you?
10:58<dli>rosminet, I suggest you to run badblocks
10:58<Eulex>chen, this is not a chat channel. but well, I'm in europe.
10:59<rosminet>dli, thanxs, i didn't know this command
10:59<radoo> here
10:59<chen>I just sometimes feeling boring
10:59<dli>rosminet, check dmesg first
10:59<chen>forgive me
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11:00<dli>rosminet, kernel should be reporting errors for serious hardware issues
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11:01<rosminet>ok, but I reinstall the system since this problem, next time I will chek, because I couldn't even boot my computer
11:01<Aleric>radoo: ok, hit Y
11:02<Aleric>radoo: look at the output for errors :)
11:02<radoo>should i paste this output aswell?
11:02<Aleric>radoo: if you want
11:02<radoo>how can i recognize an error?
11:02<dli>rosminet, you can check using a livecd, hardware problems should be independent of your software
11:02<chen>you will be kick out you if do that
11:02<chen>as i have done before
11:02<Aleric>chen: he uses a paste site
11:02<radoo>it takes a while- i am only at 40%
11:03<Aleric>radoo: when it's done, also out your /boot/grub/menu.lst up please.
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11:04<Aleric>radoo: Can you come to IRC if X doesn't start?
11:04<Aleric>radoo: Since you have problems with the nvidia drivers, I wonder if you are running X at all now... Are you?
11:05<radoo>yes, on vesa
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11:05<radoo>and the first question- i can with irssi, i wrote that down from yesterday for later use :)
11:05<Aleric>radoo: Ok, so a total failure of the nvidia drivers will not prevent you from coming back here after a reboot?
11:06<Aleric>radoo: Cause I think it would be best to reboot first after this upgrade.
11:06<radoo>i think not :)
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11:06<radoo>no, i mean i think not that i'll have problems recoming here :)
11:06<Aleric>radoo: first show me the /boot/grub/menu.lst though
11:06<radoo>ok, but it takes a while still :)
11:06<NetLSD>I seem to having trouble figuring out what I'm missing when trying to compile torso, shows a bunch of things from x11.c
11:07<NetLSD>and I'm certain I have most of the -dev packages
11:07<radoo>my bad, what i said before was about only one package :) the overall progress is now 36%
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11:09<rosminet>dli, exact, does it exists others command that badblocks and mkfs.ext3 to chek a file system ?
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11:11<dli>rosminet, badblocks checks blocks (not fs), fsck to check fs
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11:13<rosminet>I'm not sur to understand but I will search on google :)
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11:13<nostalgia>hello friends
11:14<Aleric>My PC is so f*cking fast... it never uses cpu (it's only waiting for the harddisk). I'm getting a kick from that it's now thinking more than 2 hours about a single chess position ;). It searched over 2 billion positions now :)
11:14<nostalgia>i am new to linux and dont know how to veiw a webcast can anybody help me in this
11:15<The_Mangler>audio or video?
11:16<nostalgia>well both
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11:17<nostalgia>i have subscribed to searchcio webcast which gives webcast on weekly or almost daily basis but i am unable to veiw it cause dont know what player to use and dont how how to configure firefox selecting the player automatically
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11:17<dli>nostalgia, try mplayer plugin
11:17<dli>nostalgia, hope it's not DRMed
11:17<nostalgia>well i am not aware of it
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11:18<The_Mangler>for audio i can suggest you "streamtuner" + "xmms" which i use for listening to music
11:18<nostalgia>but the webcast is like a presentation which is streamed fromt he searchcio website
11:19<nostalgia>and requires windows media player or realplayer
11:19<sutula>Anyone understand what apt-get is complaining about:
11:19<dli>nostalgia, do you have a link for me to test here?
11:19<weasel>sutula: 2.4.0~rc-1 is smaller than 2.0.4-1
11:19<Aleric>FEN: r1q5/p1pb1rbk/3p2pp/1PpPp3/P1P3P1/4BP1P/2Q3B1/3R1RK1 b - - 2 34
11:19<Aleric> 23 2:06:43 2.026.488.715 272.902 -0.09 Qd8 a5 a6 bxa6 Rxa6 Bd2 Bf6 Qd3 Bg5 Bc3 Kg7
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11:20<nostalgia>well sure dli
11:20<sutula>weasel: Why? Isn't dpkg --compare-versions telling me the 2.4.x is greater than 2.0.x?
11:21<weasel>ah. 2_4_ vs 2_0_.
11:21<nostalgia>dli is here is the link for website
11:21[~]sutula doesn't know where to file the bug :)
11:22<chealer>sutula: did you check the BTS?
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11:22<sutula>chealer: No...probably should, but this seems so basic that I must be missing something
11:22<weasel>streuner_: which apt version?
11:23<sutula>weasel: 0.7.6, unstable
11:24<ptr>Richard Stallman is hott
11:25<ptr>God, the things I'd do for that man
11:25<radoo>aleric, it is done, but i can't paste all the things it did, because it seems the terminal didn't keep all the lines...
11:25<weasel>sutula: arch?
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11:25<Aleric>radoo: see private msg.
11:26<sutula>weasel: i386...all this is just a normal PeeCee tracking unstable
11:26<nostalgia>so anybody can advose me where to download realyplayer from and how to integrate it firefox for automatically playing webcast inside the browser itself
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11:26<dli>nostalgia, it requires registration which I hate :(
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11:27<weasel>sutula: what does apt say when you apt-get install gimp gimp-print?
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11:27<nostalgia>dli you can try this link
11:27<nostalgia>dli try this link
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11:28<fxiny>realplayer ? helix dna compatible plugin ?
11:28<sutula>weasel: That's it! Thank you so much! (gimp is conflicting gimp-print of that version)
11:29<weasel>sutula: I suspected as much, but packages.d.o doesn't have that information
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11:30[~]sutula tries to find a free hook to hang that particular trick/piece of information on :)
11:31<dli>nostalgia, it works with mplayer plugin for firefox
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11:32<dli>nostalgia, apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
11:32<fxiny>nostalgia: your link works here :
11:32<nostalgia>dli did you veiw it and where should i download mplayer andhow to integrate it with firefox
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11:34<ErJeDi>hi fxiny :)
11:35<dli>nostalgia, you may have to restart your browser after the package installed
11:35<nostalgia>dli : thanks i have already started to download the package let see how it works thanks dude and any problems i will pop up
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11:35<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi :))
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11:38<nostalgia>well i have one more issue i have windows media server playing in my organisation and the media server streams the multicast stream encoded stream which can be veiw using a windows media player is there any player which supports multicast stream in nsc format
11:39<dotCOMmie>how do I go about chaning the system-wide PATH? /etc/profile seems to only affect user.
11:40<dli>nostalgia, what stream? do you have a url?
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11:40<fxiny>two will be nice : i'll check the sexy one :)
11:41<chealer>sutula: no need to file a bug, there's already a report
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11:41<nostalgia>well now i dont have the url but i can tell you i am using windows media server for encoding the live stream from FM to be transmitted through LAN. The mulitcast stream file which it generates has .nsc format
11:42<sutula>chealer: tnx...I'm tracking down another issue now :)
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11:43<dli>nostalgia, I don't know windows :(
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11:44<sutula>dli: I think that should be :)
11:46<nostalgia>dli: ok but can you help me in how to stream live Fm or music in a preselected format ove the ehternet if yes which are the packages which can help me do so so that i can stream using a linux machine and will it be compatabile with windows machine since i have a mostly windows machine in my environment
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11:48<radoo>hi again
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11:53<twb>Over the last year I've subscribed to a whole bunch of BTS bugs. Since I'm not the owner, I can't simply search from to get a list of all of them. How can I list all bugs to which I'm subscribed?
11:54<nostalgia>dli : Thanks dude i think its working
11:54<nostalgia>dli: its not i think man its working thanks dude you solved my major issue to veiw webcast
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11:55<twb>nostalgia: no need for trailing space on your messages :-(
11:56<nostalgia>soory dude was exicted :)
11:56<dli>!tell nostalgia about d-m
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11:57<nostalgia>whats d-m i didnt get it can you tell me whats that dli
11:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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12:10<leberkaese>How do i force an applikation to be open on one screen while using dualscreen?
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12:55<Meaw>I've problem in startx as user" i doesn't work, but as root it works fine
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13:05<bighornram>how do I create a launcher for the command "pon ppp0" ?
13:06<lexel>make an alias
13:06<lexel>or write a script and add it to $PATH
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13:18<gr33nmang0>radoo: Hi
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13:19<radoo>hi :) brb
13:22<jlj>is there some way to take the creation date/time of a file and append it to its filename automatically?
13:24<lexel>yes there is.
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13:26<jlj>lexel: would you mind providing a hint of how it might be done?
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13:26<lexel>The following string could be helpful: ls -l | awk '{print "mv "$8 " " $8$6}'
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13:28<lexel>it generates strings like "mv file file2007-10-02"
13:28<Lounge>ugh i just could not get used to compiz after using beryl all this time
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13:29<dude>nvidia drivers suck
13:29<dude>vesa rocks
13:30<jagerman>I always thought nvidia drivers were pretty good, except for being non-free.
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13:30<amphi>vesa, heh
13:30<dude>jagerman, i guess u havn't been disappointed as I
13:31<dude>i may aswell had been viewing my screen under water
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13:31<jlj>lexel: thanks :), I needed the time too, but it could be extracted the same way..nice
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13:42<student>how do you configure xsessions to work in windows
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13:44<streuner>!drxx student
13:44<dpkg>student: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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13:48<college>i need help on installing an rpm file. i do not know how to install at all. i need to know how to install with the termail
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13:48<dondelelcaro>college: you don't install rpm files if you're running Debian
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13:50<nostalgia>hello folks i need some help i am a newbie and have been trying to remove directory but it says no youcan delete because the dir is not empty
13:51<college>how do you install
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13:52<college>i have no idea nostalgia
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13:52<JasonS>college: you use aptitude, synaptic, apt-get
13:52<amphi>nostalgia: rm -r
13:53<JasonS>college: so it would be aptitude install irssi for example
13:53<lexel>nostalgia, please use "rm -rf directory"
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13:53<JasonS>nostalgia: just be careful using -rf
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13:53<bgat>can anyone tell me how to install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx from sid?
13:54<bgat>it refuses, complaining that it needs xserver-xorg-core >= 2:1.4
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13:55<njende>rm -rf != read mail really fast
13:55<bgat>... and it looks like xserver-xorg-core >= 2:1.4 doesn't exist
13:56<Vakio>Sid has 2:1.4-3
13:56<Vakio>According to p.d.o.
13:57<bgat>hmmm..... I bet I have "unstable" in my sources.list then. holdonasec...
13:57<njende> Installiert:2:
13:57<njende> Mögliche Pakete:2:
13:57<njende> Versions-Tabelle:
13:57<njende> *** 2: 0
13:57<njende> 500 testing/main Packages
13:57<njende> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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13:58<bgat>mentally, I always think of the two as being the same... :)
13:58<bgat>apt-get update'ing now...
13:58<njende>bgat: nopr they're not
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13:59<bgat>just for the noob in me, what's the difference?
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14:00<JasonS>college: please don't msg me, ask in channel there are people in here who know far more then i do
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14:00<njende>bgat: unstable = sid => still in development and it wont get security fixes
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14:01<Vakio>Sid is not an acronym of "still in development". It's just the kid's name.
14:01<njende>bgat: testing is the next stabel release actually aka lenny
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14:01<njende>Vakio: true, but the best way IMO to explain a noob what sid is
14:02<dkr>Vakio: a backronym? :)
14:02<njende>Vakio: wont you agree?
14:03<Vakio>njende: no, I don't.
14:03<njende>fair enough
14:04<Vakio>njende: since packages flow automatically from unstable to testing. How is unstable "still in development" and testing isn't?
14:04<bgat>hmmm. just changing "unstable" to "sid" in my sources.list didn't cause apt-get to get it.
14:04<Vakio>bgat: umm, unstable and sid are the same thing. njende was talking nonsense :)
14:05<njende>didn't say that - the main difference is, AFAIK, that sid is not getting security fixes/patches as like as lenny does
14:06<njende>Vakio: am I right or not?
14:06<Vakio>njende: I'm not sure what your argument is, but I don't think this thing is very important :)
14:07<njende>Vakio: well, I think for a noob it should be
14:07<bgat>ok, let's start over. :)
14:07<Vakio>bgat: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of aptitude update?
14:08<bgat>yea, but I'll have to switch IRC clients first. bacinasec.
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14:08<amphi>njende: a 'noob' should be using stable
14:08<njende>thats been that what I wanted to explain
14:09<amphi>njende: and they can read all about the various branches in the debian reference
14:09<njende>amphi: IF they read....
14:09<Vakio>njende: but you started by saying that Sid and unstable are not the same thing.
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14:10<amphi>njende: better they should read or remain ignorant, than be told nonsense
14:10<njende>Vakio: well, bloody germans are sometimes damn stupid after a 16hrs day of work. Sorry
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14:12<amphi>bgat: good docs on too
14:12<bgat>just looking to see how to paste my sources.list into here.
14:12<amphi>bgat: please don't
14:12<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
14:13<bgat>!pastebin pipe
14:13<dpkg>Download and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
14:13<njende>bgat: you better use
14:13<bgat>crap. this is all so much harder without my gui! :)
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14:13<amphi>bgat: easy in w3m; it starts $EDITOR for multiline text boxes
14:14<Vakio>bgat: just use it for some days and your fingers will be assimilated.
14:14<Vakio>bgat: then there's no going back.
14:17<bgat>apt-get dist-upgrade has no output
14:18<Vakio>bgat: I asked for aptitude update. (Or apt-get update if you prefer it.)
14:18<njende>bgat: your sources looks to me like a lil mess...its a mix of testing and unstable
14:18<bgat>aah, ok.
14:19<bgat>njende: yes, it is a real mess. long story there. :)
14:19<bgat>I used to stay on testing, but went to sid/unstable because I needed the later kernels.
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14:20<Vakio>bgat: mixing releases isn't the way to go.
14:20<bgat>so, I need to strike all the "testing" lines, no?
14:20<Vakio>bgat: if you want unstable packages in testing, you should use backports.
14:20<bgat>hmmm. didn't think of that.
14:20<Vakio>bgat: yes, moving completely to unstable is a cleaner solution than downgrading to testing.
14:21<bgat>what started me was the gcc transition, and the udev stuff before that.
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14:21<Vakio>bgat: and hopefully you can stand the possible breakage of unstable now and then.
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14:21<bgat>ok, I'll take the testing commands out completely
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14:21<bgat>I prefer to avoid the breakage, but I can live with it I guess.
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14:22<bgat>ok, took out all the "testing", replaced with "sid" and doing an apt-get update
14:24<sky0>can someone explain to me how the ppp[d] in sid is supposed to be started? after updating (a pretty ancient system) it no longer starts on boot; ppp.postinst removes the init.d script but it never gets replaced by anything?
14:24<Myon>sky0: man interfaces
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14:26<simonrvn>sky0: it was removed a while ago
14:26<sky0>yes, i didn't update the system for a long time
14:26<bgat>Vakio, njende : apt-get dist-upgrade now is just updating a bunch of java-related stuff. no xorg stuff.
14:28<Vakio>bgat: try commenting out everything except "deb sid main contrib non-free" and the corresponding deb-src line.
14:28<Vakio>bgat: just to be sure.
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14:29<rjent>Greetings, I need a bit of help on how to tell killall to kill not by app name but by a parameter in the line?
14:30<bgat>Vakio: ok, done. no change.
14:30<bgat>I mean, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing.
14:31<bgat>still the xserver-xorg-core problem.
14:31<sky0>Myon: i see, thank you
14:32<bgat> is the output from dpkg -i xserver-xorg-core
14:32<Vakio>bgat: what does "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core" say?
14:33<lexel>rjent, "ps x" + "awk" + "kill"
14:33<bgat>huh! guess who has "testing" in APT::Default-Release ?
14:34<lexel>+ grep of course :)
14:34<rjent>lexel: ok I just saw the regexp and thought I might be able to use that
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14:35<Vakio>bgat: so, it works?
14:35<bgat>trying to get my fat fingers to tell me... :)
14:36<bgat>well, dist-upgrade wants to update a whole buncha stuff, including xserver-xorg-core. :)
14:36<bgat>so, I think so!
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14:36<bgat>... along with server files for every chip I don't have. *sigh*
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14:37<bgat>geez, 9GB of stuff....
14:38<bgat>er, no, that's not right.
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14:38<bgat>a bunch, but not 9GB. :)
14:38<nowhereman>bgat: I always remove the xorg drivers I don't need
14:39<bgat>me too, but the apt-get dist-upgrade is reinstalling them for some reason.
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14:39<bgat>well, here goes.
14:39<bgat>46 min to download.
14:39[~]bgat yawns
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14:41<Vakio>University net connection + university Debian mirror -> win.
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14:43<bgat>Vakio: indeed!
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14:48<brew>Hello, is the best way to add an existing user to a group to use the "adduser" command? Any insight welcome.
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14:48<Heyz>stew: youre rotten and python is crap
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14:54<brew>or "useradd" rather
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14:58<hazard2>I love it how people always manage to instult the people that can do that.
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15:27<bgat>Vakio: unpacking, finally. :)
15:28<Vakio>bgat: and then it will break horribly.
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15:46<bgat>woot! looks like I'm back! :)
15:46<bgat>thanks guys!!
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15:48<Vakio>bgat: no problem.
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16:04<foug>does anyone have a logitech MX610?
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16:06<emel>hi everybody
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16:06<emel>i would like to install debian 4.0r1, but i have a problem...
16:07<emel>at the end of the setup progress my computer freezes at "Retrieving file 128 of 128"...
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16:11<emel>hi everybody, can anyone help me?
16:12[~]Vakio has no idea.
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16:13<emel>I would like to install byt at the end it freezes...
16:14<emel>after selecting tasks (Desktop, web server, DNS server, etc...) it freezes...
16:15<emel>any idea how to solve it?
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16:19<observatorial>Have you checked your installation media?
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16:20<observatorial>emel: Have you checked the media you are installing from?
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16:21<emel>sha1sum is correct
16:21<emel>medium is absolutelly new...
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16:23<Supaplex>~lart OOo->insert envelope->crash
16:23[~]dpkg strangles OOo->insert envelope->crash with a doohicky mouse cord
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16:27<observatorial>emel: So... *not* installing desktop causes it to fail while installing desktop makes things work...
16:27[~]observatorial is terribly confused now.
16:27<emel>i really do not know what is wrong...
16:28<observatorial>emel: Have you looked into the log?
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16:29<emel>no, do not know how, i am relatively new to linux...
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16:30<emel>now i am trying to install with expert parameter
16:31<emel>now i am trying to install without using network mirror
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16:32<emel>still freezes...
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16:32<emel>at 128 of 128 Retrieving file...
16:33<observatorial>emel: It's in the fourth VT, IIRC, so you would hit Alt-F4.
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16:34<emel>ok, i will try
16:35<observatorial>emel: sounds similar to me. They had a problem with aptitude freezing up dusing d-i, they say, but I don't recall aptitude being involved in d-i...
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16:35<emel>whyt is d-i?
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16:37<emel>maybe it is the problem that i have 2 NICs?
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16:41<observatorial>emel: I just checked. Looks like aptitude is used. It may be the same problem. If it is, the above posted thread (on page 2) indicates that killing aptitude when it hangs should work fine.
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16:44<observatorial>emel: Doesn't help at all on figuring out what's going on, though...
16:44<emel>how can i kill aptitude...
16:44<Alk3>i just set up my desktop and i am running it in a framebuffer console. when i run an application i see a bunch of extra characters/symbols that shouldnt be there
16:45<Alk3>what is the fix for this?
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16:45<Alk3>am i missing a library?
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16:47<Alk3>emel: apt-get remove --purge aptitude ?
16:47<Alk3>or CTRL+ C / Z
16:47<emel>i killed aptitude with kill <pid>
16:47<Vakio>Kill, not remove.
16:47<emel>now it works
16:48<emel>i think it is a bug...
16:48<emel>but i do not know how to report bugs...
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16:49<emel>now when i killed aptitude during installation is everything okay. installation is complete and working...
16:50<Alk3>i am trying to use a framebuffer console on a fresh install. but when i run applications, i only see charachters/symbols in the console where the app should be. how can i fix this?
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16:52<observatorial>emel: I'm glad to hear everything went well after that. Sounds like a fairly ugly bug, though.
16:53<emel>i am very hapy too...
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16:54<emel>i have installed debian 4.0 without any problems... so i am surprised that it is so ugly bug in 4.0r1
16:54<karika200> I installed openssh server from .deb package. When I try to use the "VersionAddendum" option in the config file, it crashes.. This option works in BSD... :\
16:54<karika200>How can i change the string, what i can see when I connect to the sshd with telnet..?
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17:20<karika200>jó8 all
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17:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:40<dxw>!nvidia one-liner
17:40<dpkg>[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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17:47<Andrico>Hey, is it cool to compile from the source with debian or debian based? It won't be like compiling from the source with Fedora or Suse, would it?
17:48<lexel>I think that the result is the same ...
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17:48<Andrico>but with those, when your run updates, sometimes it's really fscked.
17:48<lexel>if it is not a special prog. for debian
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17:50<themill>Andrico: binaries are compiled for and with a particular version of libc6. That's why you can't just pull a package out of sid and stick it in etch; likewise you can't pull an ubuntu package out and stick it in debian.
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17:52<g3o>hello :) i need a lil help
17:52<g3o>i will recieve a linksys 802.11n router , and im wondering about its isntallation on debian ( no idea how )
17:53<g3o>and if i can connect to a 802.11g wifi with it ?
17:53<Myon>I'd start with freewrt
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17:54<g3o>freewrt ? what id taht ?
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17:54<Myon>a linux distribution designed for these devices
17:55<Myon>later you can bootstrap Debian on there
17:55<hachi> # Hi, I've got icedove/unstable segfaulting here. Backtrace attached... I don't see what's going wrong with it though
17:55<g3o>aha , im googling for it ... any idea if i can connect to a 802.11g network with my N router ?
17:56<Myon>hachi: that's not particularly helpful
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17:56<g3oo>sorry got disc :s did u write anything ?
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17:57<hachi>Myon: if you have a better suggestion on debugging I'd like to hear it... strace shows a few munmap calls and an mprotect call shortly before (But not directly before) the segmentation fault
17:57<hachi>the official mozilla binary runs fine
17:57<hachi>but of course, doesn't use the same profile directory
17:58<Myon>I don't use icedove, but if you want any help here, you need to tell what you did when it crashed
17:58<g3oo>n about the g and n wifi thingy , u gto no idea Myon ?
17:58<hachi>destroying my profile helps nothing
17:58<Myon>like imap, local, whatever
17:58<themill>hachi: plugins?
17:58<Myon>g3oo: no idea, try google
17:58<hachi>Myon: I opened an imap email, it fires up the new window, and before it renders the text it segfaults
17:58<dondelelcaro>to actually debug a segfault, you kind of need to turn on coredumps and install the debugging symbols and get a backtrace
17:58<dondelelcaro>without that, it's rather difficult
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17:58<hachi>themill: safemode has no bearing on it
17:58<g3oo>Myon i've been googlin alot :s any idea about channels for such help ?
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17:59<Myon>dondelelcaro: the backtrace has symbols, but it's all js/ns glibberish...
17:59<Lounge_>tshark is pretty interesting
17:59<themill>hachi: etch? with the etch icedove from
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18:01<themill>hachi: heh... you're using the package out of sid with that many grave bugs against it?
18:01<dondelelcaro>hachi: thread apply all where; and bt full; will also be useful.
18:02<hachi>my alternative is to run icedove 1.5
18:02<dondelelcaro>hachi: hard to tell exactly where it segfaulted because none of it lookks particularly odd
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18:02<hachi>I installed the debugging symbols for glib as well, but they aren't showing up
18:02<dondelelcaro>hachi: they're way up the callstack, so it's likely not them which is at fault
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18:04<hachi>well peachy keen, now it's stopped segfaulting *headdesk*
18:04<hachi>it's only been doing it for 5 days every time now... and suddenly it stops
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18:04<hachi>I'll just go to my corner and start again now
18:05<Myon>quantum bugs - as soon as you start looking closer they disappear
18:05<dondelelcaro>add in debugging symbols, and away they go
18:06<dondelelcaro>the best are compiler optimization bugs
18:06<Myon>though I think these are just statistically
18:06<dondelelcaro>well, cpu microcode bugs are slightly better
18:07<bzed>best bugs are those which go away if you strace the program or run it in gdb
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18:09<themill>reminds me of this one:
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18:09<themill>(talk of quantum bugs/heisenbugs)
18:13<Myon>does it consume less power until then?
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18:13<Myon>(of course you must not look at your power bill too closely)
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18:14<jrolland>Does anyone know the correct kernel/ramdisk to use with Sarge and a Sonnet Crescendo G4 card in a PowerMac 7500
18:15<jrolland>Worked with the 601 CPU, but won't boot now
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18:22<lucas_amorim>Hello! I would like to know if the video card Nvidea GeForce 5200 128Mb AGP 8x is well supported on debian. Can anyone help me?
18:23<lucas_amorim>Nvidia FX 5200
18:23<jrolland>lucas: No one seems to be talking right now
18:23<jrolland>Friday night appears to be a bad time
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18:24<lucas_amorim>do you know anything about the subject?
18:24<jrolland>Nope, nada
18:25<jrolland>I use powerpc
18:25<themill>lucas_amorim: all i can suggest is that you look at the version of the nvidia and/or nv drivers that are in etch and see what cards they support.
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18:25<themill>lucas_amorim: you can check on
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18:27<amphi>@later tell Munze another anomaly for you,
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19:02<datharn>needing help with ubuntu studio CD
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19:07<foxm>anyone there to help a bit?
19:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:14<foxm>hi. I am new to Debian, but a bit of other distros I have used. I installed Debian using the netinstall CD (20070820-20:21; d-i 20070308etch1) and everything went OK until the reboot. I tried using the rescue mode and reinstalled grub to /dev/sda6 (where /boot is), but still I can't get the OS to load. What else can I do?
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19:17<weasel>what are you seeing when you try to boot?
19:19<foxm>nothing. Can't get even to grub... if the netinstall cd is in the drive, then it loads it from there, if not, then tries to do a network boot but then just says there's no OS to load
19:20<weasel>try installing grub into the MBR,
19:20<weasel>make sure you have a partition marked as a boot partition. some BIOSes are broken and won't even try booting from disk if that isn't case. (asus *cough*)
19:21<foxm>I did that the second time I installed everything... but still no results
19:21<foxm>mine is an intel945gnt
19:21<foxm>and I did mark the partition as bootable... :(
19:22<kop>foxm: You're not dual-booting, right?
19:22<foxm>how can I tell grub to use the MBR?
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19:22<foxm>I do have the stupid MS Windows XP in /dev/sda1
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19:24<kop>foxm: Ok, no problem. But if you do install grub in the mbr then MS may later decide to delete it for you. OTOH, if you use the windows boot loader then if your MS Windows borks you won't be able to use Linux either. So you need to choose.
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19:25<foxm>I was working perfectly before... though not with debian... I was using *blushes* OpenSUSE
19:25<foxm>*it was...
19:26<kop>foxm: Grub instructions are in: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz
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19:27<kop>foxm: That says how to install grub (step 1).
19:27<foxm>ok... let me check... I will bother a bit again later =P
19:27<kop>foxm: The example installs grub in the mbr.
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19:27<foxm>I can use zless in the rescue mode, right?
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19:28<kop>foxm: I think. Otherwise: gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz | less
19:29<kop>foxm: The thing to do from the rescue disk is to mount your root partition and then chroot into it. That way you use it only to boot, mount the disks, and for the kernel. The rest is what you installed.
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19:36<Supaplex>what alternatives do I have to openoffice? I have 36 envelopes I need to print. I was going to do a mail merge, but is nearly a year old and non fixed. :(
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19:39<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: latex
19:39<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: envlab makes it fairly simple
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19:39<Supaplex>oh yeah?
19:40<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: yeah
19:40<deepfrze>can someone tell me how to open a gui as root?
19:40<Supaplex>so printing 36 envelopes will be no sweat I hope.
19:40<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: yeah, it's pretty straight forward
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19:41<Supaplex> envlab -- Facilates addressing envelopes or mailing labels.
19:41<Supaplex>armada:~# aptitude show texlive-latex-extra
19:41<Supaplex>haha. beware. :-D
19:43<Supaplex>deepfrze: su -c xclock
19:43<Supaplex>or what ever xapp you need.
19:44<deepfrze>Supaplex, thanks I'll give that a try
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19:46<deepfrze>Supaplex, warning, Gtk cannot open display
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19:47<deepfrze>Supaplex: when I try to open the application
19:47<Supaplex>deepfrze: are you sure you didn't 'su -' ?
19:47<Supaplex>or did you use sudo before it?
19:48<deepfrze>Supaplex: su -c xxx
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19:48<Supaplex>deepfrze: echo $DISPLAY (w/o using su)
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19:50<bzed>that can't work...
19:50<bzed>deepfrze: you could use sux, it'll keep your x-session and su properly
19:51<bzed>sux instead of su, it's a package on it's own
19:51<deepfrze>bzed: okay I 'll try that thanks
19:52<Supaplex>humph. it works fine here. *shrug*
19:52<bzed>it shouldn;t
19:53<foxm>hi... I am back... I did "grub-install "(hd0)"" but still the system does not boot =(
19:53<bzed>even ig you've set the right disaplay, root is not allowed to write it, except he steals the user's auth cookie
19:53<bzed>or hower that was called in x
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19:54<deepfrze>bzed, thanks that worked great...
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19:57<SamWeasley>Someone knows how could I deactivate apt-get autoremove feature?
19:57<SamWeasley>I nearly broke my Gnome using it!
19:59<lupine_85>don't run apt-get autoremove
19:59<lupine_85>that should cover it
19:59<Supaplex>But I'm afraid of gnomes.
19:59<lupine_85>Supaplex: they're probably more scared of you, than you are of them
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20:00<lupine_85>SamWeasley: running apt-get install <package> - even if it's already installed - will take it off the automatically-installed list
20:00<lupine_85>(and so, autoremove won't affect it)
20:00<SamWeasley>but, how some packages are shown there?
20:00<lupine_85>or you could do what I do, and punch a debian developer in the face every time apt-get dails to do what you think it should, rather than what you told it to
20:00[~]SamWeasley totally newbie, I know... :(
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20:01<lupine_85>SamWeasley: they're a list of packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies, but aren't needed any more (due to a package being removed), IIRC
20:01<ryan_>so, WTF question.
20:01<SamWeasley>lupine_85: ok
20:02<lupine_85>bad bot doesn't have a factoid...
20:02<Supaplex>SamWeasley: is what you get when you ask for one thing, and expected another.
20:02<SamWeasley>So no problem if I don't execute autoremove
20:02<lupine_85>dpkg: autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
20:02<dpkg>lupine_85: okay
20:02<dpkg>autoremove is probably used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
20:02<ryan_>two mor-or-less identical systems (same mobo, ram, nics, cloned hd image, etc) The second machine (cloned from the first) brings eth0 and eth1 up as eth2 and eth3 respectivly. WTF, and how do i fix this?
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20:03<Supaplex>ryan_: /etc/udev/rules.d/*persist*
20:03<ryan_>Supaplex know where it stores it's data?
20:03<Supaplex>ryan_: it's the mac address.
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20:04<ryan_>Supaplex ah-ha
20:04<Supaplex>z45_persistent-net-generator.rules manages z25_persistent-net.rules
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20:05<ryan_>Supaplex thank you very much, you just saved me much frustrated debugging
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20:06<foxm>how do I check that my /boot partition is marked ad bootable (using the rescue mode of the netinstall CD) ?
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20:07<lupine_85>foxm: run fdisk /dev/<device name - e.g. sda>
20:07<lupine_85>then hit p
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20:08<lupine_85>Bootable partitions are listed with a * in teh Boot column of the resulting table
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20:08<Grueber>I got this piece of crap onboard AC97 sound that seems to not work, I have the alsa and snd_via82xx loaded
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20:08<Supaplex>!blame via
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20:08[~]dpkg blames atrus and via for all the evil in the world
20:09<foxm>thank... and how to mark a partition as bootable?
20:09<lupine_85>Grueber: does aplay -l list your sound devices?
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20:09<lupine_85>I have a via 82xx and it works fine
20:09<Grueber>hold a sec
20:09<foxm>ahh ok... "a" option :P
20:09<lupine_85>foxm: "a" to toggle the bootable flag; "w" to write the change and exit
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20:09<Grueber>I get a bunch of "subdevice" numbers
20:10[~]lupine_85 w00ts: card 1: V8237 [VIA 8237], device 0: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237]
20:10<lupine_85>anything (a bit like) that?
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20:10<Grueber>it used to work, I just brought this machine back to live after not using it for about 8 or 9 years
20:10<Grueber>I upgraded from Deb 2.2 to 4.0 lol
20:10<lupine_85>did you go through 3?
20:10<Grueber>oh wtf, I got "Dummy"
20:10<Grueber>nah reformatted and reinstalled lmao
20:10<Grueber>the lazy way
20:10<Grueber>that explains it, it's set to dummy
20:11<Grueber>so umm how do I fix that
20:11<lupine_85>not a clue, sorry
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20:22<foxm>Ok this is starting to put me on my nerves... I have tried everything I know to boot my newly installed Debian. Yet, I can't make it work... is there anything wrong with grub or something?
20:23<lupine_85>grub needs installing (run grub-install)...
20:23<lupine_85>...and the bios needs to be set up to look for grub
20:23<foxm>done already
20:23<lupine_85>and grub needs to be set up to look for the linux kernel
20:23<foxm>mmm hwo do I do that?
20:23<foxm>that the bios looks for grub?
20:23<lupine_85>do you actually get to a grub prompt?
20:24<foxm>seems grub doesn't write a bit into the MBR because I can't load any OS
20:24<lupine_85>well, make sure the bios is set to boot from the right drive
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20:24<lupine_85>especially if you're using sata, that can be a bit finicky at times
20:24<foxm>I did that, but I will recheck again
20:24<lupine_85>re-running grub-install can't hurt
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20:26<foxm>Bios is set to start from the Hard Disk first, then the CD/DVD second
20:27<foxm>but yes, it is a sata drive :S
20:27<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: ok. is envlab straight forward for a new user to tex? I haven't really messed with it before. (I tweaked a few invoice templates for freeside, but that was years ago)
20:27<lupine_85>mine had a particular option I had to set before it would let me try to boot from the correct hard drive
20:27<lupine_85>bioses are vendor-specific, though
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20:28<Grueber>does the sound part in the kernel have to be a module for alsa to work? sound is the only thing I can't get working on this machine so far
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20:47<dxw>Grueber: have you ran alsaconf
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20:56<Kaper>hi all, could you tell me how to install gnome flash screen? I know i should ask in #gnome but nobody there
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20:59<azeem>Kaper: try #gnome on gimpnet
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20:59<Kaper>thank azeem
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21:02<Grueber>yup I have run alsaconf it said failed to load snd and snd_via82xx (but modules snd-via82xx exists and snd is built into kernel)
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21:28<foxm>me wants this debian working! T_T
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21:39<jrolland>Does anyone know what kernel to use with a Sonnet G4 processor with Sarge?
21:40<foxm>Ok.. I have tried every trick in the book to get my installed Debian to work: I checked that my sata disk is installed in sata0, I checked the BIOS to load the hard disk first, I enabled the partition as bootable using fdisk, I did grub-install (hd0) a thousand times... nothing seems to work for me... .
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21:40<foxm>I am getting a bit desperate
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21:42<wilson>hard to help foxm if you don't give us some kinda of idea of where it's going wrong
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21:43<foxm>I installed debian from the netinstall CD and everything went OK, until the reboot time. ..... it just does not work... the computer restarts, but never reaches grub... not even stage 1
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21:45<foxm>I asked this three times already, but as you know, people that helped me before had to leave :)
21:45<wilson>does it just kinda sit there or does it say something like no bootable disks found ?
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21:47<foxm>it depends... my BIOS has a network boot option... if it is active, it says that no bootable disk has been found
21:47<foxm>if it is disabled, it says nothing
21:47<foxm>just a blinking cursor
21:48<wilson>ok so it doesn't look like grub is getting installed properly
21:48<blarson>foxm: Check boot order in BIOS. Also sata disks are treeted as scsi, have you installed the boot block to sd0?
21:48<foxm>BIOS boot order is correct...
21:49<foxm>but /boot is in /dev/sda6
21:49<wilson>you've run grub-install manually ?
21:49<wilson>oh, are you making sure to install grub to the mbr ?
21:49<foxm>yes... I did run it manually... grub-install (hd0)
21:50<foxm>also tried grub-install (hd0,5)
21:51<foxm>(and using rescue mode from the CD, option Reinstall GRUB: "/dev/sda" and "/dev/sda6")
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21:52<foxm>I also checked the disk with fdisk /dev/sda --- partition 6 is marked as bootable...
21:52<wilson>is this disk hanging off the native controllers on the motherboard ?
21:52<foxm>problem is that I need the sda1 because the stupid windows XP
21:52<foxm>yes... I haven't touched anything in the MotherBoard
21:52<foxm>(except for the boot order, of course)
21:54<wilson>i dunno, if you've got a fast net connection maybe just try downloading the ubuntu beta, see if that works
21:54<foxm>I can't really think of many more Ideas
21:54<foxm>I don't like ubuntu... LOL
21:54<foxm>I heard debian is THE one
21:54<foxm>so I just wanted to see
21:55<wilson>well, that's weird there might be some kind of prob with the partition table on that drive
21:55<wilson>maybe u could go into fdisk and just write it again
21:55<blarson>foxm: Have you tried installing /boot on a primary partion?
21:55<wilson>i cant really think of anything else to try except learning how to do it the complicated way with the actual grub command instead of grub-install
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21:57<foxm>mmmm I would have to think about it... moving partitions is not my favourite way... and maybe not possible ATM because I have some data in the last logical partition
21:58<foxm>and no system to burn it to a dvd!!
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21:58<paulliu>foxm, backup to network?
21:59<foxm>not possible... =( my network is my PC and that's all ..
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21:59<foxm>this one is borrowed
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22:00<foxm>besides, I could never make that USB D-link card work
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22:47[~]Supaplex shouts at kpdf IT'S TRAY 1 YOU A$$@%*!$(!$WIPE!
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23:03<Supaplex>my bad. it's not so much a kpdf issue, as it is... another %*@$ing OOo issue. gah.
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23:08[~]Supaplex ponders printing labels vs stupid $*@$( envelopes.
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23:13<klys_>do you have decorative labels ?
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23:19<Supaplex>klys_: no
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23:20<klys_>then, check out sdc and
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23:49<kop>foxm: Still there?
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