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---Logopened Sat Oct 06 00:00:02 2007
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00:22<hack>Is it all right to ask questions about debian based distros here?
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00:26<blarson>hack: no
00:29<kop>Is zfs in etch? If so where?
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00:31<wilson>i dont think so , zfs hasn't been integrated into the linux kernel
00:31<chealer>kop: no
00:31<kop>Ok. It's jfs for me then.
00:32<wilson>i use jfs, no probs, might be a bit slower but it's reliable
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00:33<kop>wilson: Thanks.
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01:13<kop>Is it better to do software raid on top of lvm or the other way around?
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01:57<blarson>kop: I prefer raid on lvm, but to do that you need to change startup order, which assumes lvm on raid is more common.
01:58<blarson>kop: it depends on what your needs are
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02:41<Arrowhead>hey all
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02:42<Arrowhead>anyone around with knowledge about the latest debian kernel who can give me a hand w/ dselect?
02:42<dli>!tell Arrowhead about anyone
02:42<Arrowhead>cool thanks :) i wanted to make sure there's ppl here :)
02:43<Arrowhead>i tried to upgrade my kernel just now, and apparently dselect wants to uninstall a BUNCH of stuff
02:43<Arrowhead>like xserver, enlightenment, apache, etc....
02:43<Arrowhead>is that normal?
02:44<Arrowhead>my feeling is that there's dependencies upon dependencies and it's just ripping out all the old stuff
02:44<dli>Arrowhead, if you are asking questions about deselect, you shouldn't be using deselect, ust synaptic, aptitude
02:44<Arrowhead> sorta removed aptitude :(
02:44<Arrowhead>it went down the list, apache - aptitude - at - base-config
02:45<Arrowhead>and when i saw base-config being removed i was like, wtf....and ctrl-C'd the process
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02:45<Arrowhead>i'm currently TAR'ing up my entire drive now, just to be safe
02:45<Arrowhead>so i can untar it if i screw up
02:45<dli>Arrowhead, no point
02:46<Arrowhead>(no ghost image or anything)
02:46<Arrowhead>no point?
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02:47<Arrowhead>dli: what do you mean?
02:47<dli>Arrowhead, apt-get -f install aptitude
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02:48<Arrowhead>hoo boy....there's like 6 different libraries of unmet dependencies :(
02:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
02:50<dli>Arrowhead, clean up your sources.list first
02:50<dli>Arrowhead, if you are using sid, then, it's your own choice
02:52<Arrowhead>there's only three lines in my sources.list
02:52<Arrowhead>deb stable main contrib non-free
02:52<Arrowhead>and deb-src of that
02:53<dli>Arrowhead, pastebin it, and the error messages
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02:54<Arrowhead> <---- that's the sources.list
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02:55<dli>Arrowhead, did you "apt-get -f update"?
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02:56<Arrowhead>yeah, everything should be updated
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02:57<Arrowhead>lemme paste the scary dselect msg too
02:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
02:58<dli>Arrowhead, add contrib non-free to the security line also
02:58<Supaplex>oh, good, you're using a pastebin.
02:58<dli>Arrowhead, deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
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02:58<Arrowhead> <--- dselect output
02:59<dli>Arrowhead, I'm not interested in deselect
02:59<Arrowhead>ok adding
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03:00<Arrowhead>ok, added and updated
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03:04<Arrowhead> <---- error msg for apt-get
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03:06<dli>Arrowhead, apt-get -f dist-upgrade
03:07<Arrowhead>whoa, it's gonna remove a ton of stuff....
03:07<Arrowhead>lemme paste the err...
03:07<Arrowhead>well the msg i mean
03:07<dli>Arrowhead, pastebin your command line together with error messages
03:11<Arrowhead>i wants to remove my xserver-common :(
03:12<dli>Arrowhead, answer Y
03:12<Arrowhead>yes? even to removing xserver-common????
03:12<Arrowhead>and my browser too?
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03:14<Arrowhead>will i need to reconfig my xserver after this update?
03:15<dli>Arrowhead, apt will prompt you
03:16<Arrowhead>okay, so if it asks me to remove that stuff, then i'll say no.....
03:16<dli>!tell Arrowhead about upgrade
03:17<Arrowhead>heh, alright dli....
03:17<Arrowhead>i'll trust you on this....let's see what happens
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03:18<Arrowhead>...getting stuff...
03:18<tifine>hi i would like to play vcd, dvd on ubuntu ?
03:20<tifine>i think everybody is sleeping ifront of their pc's ? lol
03:20<Arrowhead>tifine....i use mplayer....that usually plays everything for me
03:21<Arrowhead>(dunno about dvd's tho....)
03:21<tifine>alrite i used mplayer but when i try to play vcd its give me error ( say fatal error)
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03:23<Arrowhead>tifine: hmm....what's the error?
03:23<Arrowhead>tifine: i can try to help you best i can, but i might not be the best person to do it
03:24<tifine>Arrowhead: This is the error message i m getting it ( error opening /initalizing the selected video_out(-vo) device ))
03:24<dli>!tell tifine about #ubuntu
03:25<tifine>dli: u talking about ubuntu forum i been their no body their to help me out with video thing
03:25<dli>tifine, but this is #debian
03:26<tifine>dli, ubuntu is a debian
03:26<dli>!tell tifine about debian based
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03:27<Arrowhead>dli: okay, i'm doing system configs's asking me a ton of questions
03:28<Arrowhead>hey dli, it's asking me if i want to install glibc
03:28<Arrowhead>if i do so, i need to restart xdm.....
03:29<Arrowhead>can i just install now, and keep my xsession and reboot later tonight?
03:29<dli>Arrowhead, yes, upgrade everything, upgrade packages being kept back also
03:30<cahoot>what version of glibc will be installed?
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03:31<Arrowhead>cahoot, it says Setting up libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13etch2)
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03:32<james_joyce>hi guys
03:33<Arrowhead>if i mysteriously drop out, you'll know why :)
03:33<Arrowhead>joyce: hi
03:35<james_joyce>hi Arrowhead
03:35<james_joyce>no sorry...i didn't
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03:36<Arrowhead>joyce: i was talking to dli before you came in :)
03:37<Arrowhead>that comment was for hium
03:38<james_joyce>oh sorry...i think you've talking to me
03:38<dli>Arrowhead, no, dist-upgrade doesn't kill your running applications, or you can simply restart the application
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03:39<madroach>How do I pass module parameters to compiled-in modules?
03:41<james_joyce>see you next time...bye bye
03:41<cahoot>madroach: in a file in /etc/modprobe.d
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03:42<cahoot>madroach: provided you do ean it's still modules
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03:43<madroach>cahoot: no, its compiled in. But I think I already solved it. in kernel-parameters.txt it says I have to pass <module>.<parameter>[=value] Thanks anyway.
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03:51<Arrowhead>dli: so after this whole apt thing is done, does that mean everything's done?
03:51<Arrowhead>or do i still have to config the packages i installed?
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03:52<dli>Arrowhead, probably not, try "apt-get -f install" to make sure
03:53<Arrowhead>dli:'s still installing tho, so I'll try it after this whole thing finishes crunching
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04:09<Arrowhead>alright, the install just finished.....i'm gonna do another apt-get -f install to make sure everythign works
04:10<Arrowhead>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. <---- success!
04:10<Arrowhead>thanks a lot, dli
04:11<dli>Arrowhead, try to upgrade those kept back
04:11<dli>Arrowhead, use: apt-get install foo
04:11<Arrowhead>oh wait, my opera's gone
04:11<Arrowhead>crap, i'd better check to see what else disappeared
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04:14<Arrowhead>dli: how do i know which 3 packages got kept back?
04:14<Arrowhead>oh wait, nvm....i had the cut/paste lol
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04:15<njende>which driver will I need, to get a WDC3200AAJS-0 hdd running? Prob is that the installer hasnt found my harddrive and now I should choose one
04:16<njende>It si btw an SATA drive
04:16<njende>any hints? any suggestions?
04:17<dli>Arrowhead, apt-get upgrade
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04:19<Arrowhead>dli: so in the future, do you recommend against using dselect?
04:19<dli>Arrowhead, no, don't use it, use aptitude or synaptic
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04:20<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: use Aptitude...only Don't use Synaptic
04:21<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: Synaptic uses apt-get ... and aptitude is far better than apt-get
04:22<blarson>njende: The contoler is what needs the driver, not the hard drive.
04:22<Arrowhead>i guess i'll have to use that to re-install my web browser
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04:23<Arrowhead>hmm....i get an error when i do "apt-get install opera"
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04:23<Arrowhead>says it can't find the package :(
04:23<blarson>njende: use lspci to find out what controler you have
04:23<ifvoid>Arrowhead: opera is not in debian
04:24<njende>blarson I
04:24<ifvoid>Arrowhead: you need to add an extra source for that to sources.list
04:24<gr33nmang0>download opera*.deb from opera website
04:24<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt>
04:24<ifvoid>!opera apt
04:25<Arrowhead>okay, once i have the *.deb, what's the command to manually install it?
04:25<njende>blarson: could it be this one? IDE Interface ATI Technology Unknown device 438c ?
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04:25<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: dpkg -i *.deb
04:25<blarson>njende: That looks like an IDE controler not SATA.
04:25<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: as a superuser
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04:26<blarson>njende: I've heard some BIOSes need to be told to put the controler in native mode.
04:26<Arrowhead>also, what version of debian is the latest?
04:27<Arrowhead>my uname says 2.4.27-2-386
04:27<Arrowhead>but i dunno if that's etch, or sarge, or what
04:28<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: It's not a debian version
04:28<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: It is a kernel version
04:28<blarson>Arrowhead: cat /etc/debian_version
04:28<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: cat /etc/issue
04:28<Arrowhead>ah, okay thanks blarson + greenmango
04:28<njende>blarson: well, in the BIOS it says OnBoard SATA Type: IDE Controller, but nothing as far as I can see about native mode
04:28<blarson>Arrowhead: current stable is etch (4.0r1)
04:29<Arrowhead>yeah, looks like i have etch
04:29<gr33nmang0>blarson: oh... that's also better
04:29<blarson>Arrowhead: with etch, you can upgrade to a 2.6 kernel (2.6.18 I think)
04:30<gr33nmang0>blarson: exactly..
04:30<gr33nmang0>2.6.18-5-686 latest with Debian Etch
04:31<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: If you have proper sources.list just aptitude update and aptitude upgrade
04:31<blarson>I run sid (unstable) on most of my systems. But I don't recomend it unless you know what you are doing.
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04:31<njende>blarson: well, in the BIOS it says OnBoard SATA Type: IDE Controller, but nothing as far as I can see about native mode
04:31<njende>sry for the double-post happened by mistake
04:32<blarson>njende: The exact terminolagy and how (or if) you can set it is BIOS dependant.
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04:32<blarson>njende: Does it have another mode besids IDE compatable?
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04:33<gr33nmang0>blarson: do you know how to use one of the kernel parameters... SWSUP?
04:33<njende>blarson: it is a phoenix bios
04:33<njende>and yes, teher are some more
04:34<camden>has anybody had any luck setting up a logitech G5 mouse so that the thumb button on the side works to go "back" in apps that support it?
04:34<yang>how can i change default directory of the shell user?
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04:35<blarson>gr33nmang0: I've never done anything special to set it up, suspend works on my current laptop.
04:35<Arrowhead>alright, everything seems to work now!
04:35<Arrowhead>thanks a bunch dli + crew!!
04:35<njende>blarson: I've got IDE / AHCI / RAID
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04:36<Arrowhead>gonna go reboot......thx again all
04:36<gr33nmang0>blarson: I don't have Floppy Disk Drive (FDD)... but after upgrading my system... while booting kernel shows " invalidating stale software suspend images "
04:36<blarson>njende: I'd try AHCI. I don't know what it stands for, but you don't want IDE and probably not RAID.
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04:36<gr33nmang0>blarson: it stops there saying " Buffer I/O error at /dev/fd0 "
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04:37<dli>yang, you can edit /etc/passwd or use usermod
04:37<gr33nmang0>blarson: then I press SysRq... then process gets teminated and system boots
04:37<Supaplex>usermod > $EDITOR /etc/passwd
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04:37<gr33nmang0>blarson: I am talking about Desktop system
04:38<blarson>gr33nmang0: Like I said, suspend works for me but I don't know much about it.
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04:39<gr33nmang0>blarson: can you please tell me how do you make use of it?
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04:41<blarson>gr33nmang0: I'm not sure I'm using SWSUSP, just whatever is in sid by default on laptops. I hit F-F4 and it suspends, then when I reopen the screen it resumes.
04:41<njende>blarson: shoul I try an IDE-Generic?
04:42<gr33nmang0>blarson: ok thanks
04:43<blarson>njende: that's for IDE controlers that don't have a specific driver. I don't think it works right on SATA contolers.
04:44<Supaplex>it might, if legacy-pata support is on in the bios
04:45<njende>sry phone brb
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04:46<Arrowhead>hey back unfortunately :(
04:47<Arrowhead>looks like i no longer have X after my reboot :(
04:47<Supaplex>did you install it?
04:48<Arrowhead>yeah, there was a whole list of xserver stuff that i installed during my apt-get adventure
04:48<Arrowhead>i don't quite remember all of it
04:48<Supaplex>!install x
04:48<dpkg>somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg>
04:49<Supaplex>that sounds old...
04:49<Supaplex>!factinfo install x
04:49<dpkg>install x -- created by greycat <> at Wed Jul 31 18:38:21 2002 (1892 days); it has been requested 407 times, last by Supaplex, 28s ago.
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04:50<Arrowhead>cool, updated
04:50<Supaplex>aptitude install xserver-xorg
04:50<Arrowhead>uh oh...aptitude: command not found
04:50<Supaplex>apt-get install aptitude xserver-xorg
04:51<Arrowhead>ok, it's installing aptitude, but not xserver....i think it's already installed
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04:52<Supaplex>run startx
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04:53<Arrowhead>yeah, i tried blinks as if it attempts to do something and then it dies
04:53<Supaplex>is xorg.conf using the vesa driver?
04:53<Arrowhead>hmm....maybe my xorg.conf is wrong
04:53<Arrowhead>uh, how do i know if it's using vesa driver?
04:53<Supaplex>vesa is an ok starting point.
04:54<Supaplex>$PAGER /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:54<Arrowhead>what's $PAGER?
04:55<Supaplex>literal, or use one of: less, more, view
04:55<Arrowhead>looks like it's using nv driver
04:56<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep -i vga
04:56<Arrowhead>hmm...this looks a lot like xf86config....i guess it's the new version of that file
04:56<Supaplex>xfree is tEh burried.
04:56<Arrowhead>okay, it's showing me something
04:57<Arrowhead>im gonna attempt to type this out....
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04:57<Arrowhead>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV17 [10de:0172] (rev a3)
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04:58<Supaplex>well, it's nvidia. which is good. I just don't know which nvidia drivers operate which cards.
04:59<Arrowhead>well, before i upgraded my linux (which is like 2 hours ago), i was using the "nv" driver and it worked fine
04:59<Arrowhead>but then i had troubles upgrading, and dli helped me out
04:59<Supaplex>vesa and nvidia are two other options
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04:59<Arrowhead>and i ended up reinstalling xserver
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04:59<Arrowhead>hmm....i guess i can try changing it to vesa and see if that works
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05:00<Arrowhead>oh wait, is there a way for me to config this new X?
05:00<dli>!tell Arrowhead about drxx
05:00<Arrowhead>like from command line where they ask you all those normal questions
05:00<Supaplex>yup. you might want to reboot. I've seen some odd interaction between differing x video drivers.
05:01<Arrowhead>cool, thx dli....leme try that
05:01<Supaplex>they're usually pristine enough to keep the hardware sane for when it runs again, but no guarantees when switching drivers.
05:01<gr33nmang0>Arrowhead: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
05:01<gr33nmang0>Supaplex: what say?
05:02<Supaplex>gr33nmang0: my intel card is natorious for needing a reboot in *some* situations when switching between vesa and the intel driver. (or maybe it was vesa and my nvidia|nv card).
05:02<Supaplex>I bet dual head only complicates it, but that's my encounters.
05:04<Arrowhead>im going through that dpkg-configure right now....should be done in a sec
05:06<Supaplex>o.O .... silly xsane...
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05:07<SNow>hello there, I've recently went from etch to unstable, upgraded packages, and some errors occured, then I've got back to etch made update upgrade dist-upgrade but everything was up-to-date, when installing build-essential it gives me the error, that the package hasn't been done for unstable yet
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05:08<SNow>and that gcc will not be installed
05:08<Supaplex>!tell SNow -about downgrade
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05:11<SNow>do I need full reinstalation?
05:13<Arrowhead>alright, i think i've got X reconfig'd.....thanks a lot, supaplex + dli
05:13<dpkg>well, thermite is ask about <sid>, or see
05:14<Supaplex>SNow: well. it's fire. we labled it 'unstable' because it was shorter to type than "please-do-not-cry-if-i-break-your-system"
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05:17<Arrowhead>okay im outta here guys....thanks a lot for all your helps
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05:22<EmleyMoor>I can't get my USB headset to work any more
05:23<EmleyMoor>I suspect I know why though - just a minute
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05:25<EmleyMoor>Yes - mustn't force it a particular index
05:27<EmleyMoor>But now it won't work in an OSS-only app
05:28<EmleyMoor>Trying to sort, will be back if it fails
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05:32<NoName>good morning y'all
05:32<ra9ftm>Hi all. I whant to count internet traffic by MAC or IP. (don't whant to create pppoe/vpn...). What software I can to use for it?
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05:39<gryfie>hi. I'm using debian etch, with 2 eth-devices (one usb-wlan) and a motherboard lan-device (eth).
05:40<Unknown>did u get the usb lan working
05:40<gryfie>How can I choose the device that should be used for surfing etc?
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05:40<Unknown>ifdown etho shuts down the main nic
05:40<Unknown>so yer sure you are surfing on usb lan
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05:41<gryfie>the wlan-device is known by ifconfig (it tells me the correct mac-adress)
05:41<gryfie>but the led is off and I cant ping the router
05:41<gryfie>even,if i use ifocnfig eth0 down
05:41<Unknown>wich brand, cause ive been tring like hell to get my linksys wusb lan to work
05:41<Supaplex>for better or worse, some wireless drivers make ethX interfaces
05:42<gryfie>it uses a zd1211 or zd1211b chipset
05:42<cahoot>gryfie: so zd1211rw is loaded and with a working firmware?
05:42<gryfie>I guess, that it may have the false firmware
05:43<gryfie>Yes, the device is known, when I plug it in
05:43<Unknown>gonna roll mysef a blunt and promise myself I wil get that damn wusb lan working
05:43<gryfie>without error-message about missing firmware
05:43<cahoot>check dmesg when you plug it in - IIRC the fw is commented there
05:44<gryfie>I've installed the zd1211-firmware from etch nonfree
05:44<gryfie>oh.... my iptable-script
05:45<gryfie>I'll look
05:47<gryfie>ok, thx for the hints
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05:48<bobby>hello ; can u pls tell me a channel for bash scripting?
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05:49<amphi>bobby: #bash on
05:49<bobby>thank u
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05:56<radoo>i have no questions this time :) just want to state, the more i read and search about debian, the more i like it
05:56<Cristi>I need help... I install debian end I don,t find my wifi pci
05:57<Cristi>i don,t speack good
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05:57<seeS>your wifi pci card?
05:58<bobby>hello ; my question is : does anybody know a good application for vocal command under ubuntu ( perlbox-voice looks nice but is not really working )
05:58<Cristi>SMC PCI
05:58<dpkg>hmm... madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
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05:58<goauld>i was trying to get my laptop's sound working for days and i cant doit
05:59<Cristi>i hawe madwifi
05:59<goauld>it looks like it gets all detected but no sound comes out from the speakers
05:59<goauld>can someone help a little please?
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05:59<seeS>it can be a pain to get going, what did you use to run sound?
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06:00<cahoot>goauld: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise, silence, error?
06:00<olli>i got a question. i am running debian stable, but i want a more uptodate amarok. i do not understand, what i have to add to my sources.list, to update amarok and leave the rest of my system stable. i tried to find any wiki, but i did not find one
06:00<goauld>i installed latest stable kernel, + lastest alsa
06:01<goauld>ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '1'
06:01<goauld>ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No existe el dispositivo
06:01<Cristi>00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
06:01<goauld>ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
06:01<goauld>aplay: main:546: audio open error: No exist
06:01<goauld>aplay told me thaat
06:01<cahoot>goauld: you are member of audio group?
06:02<cahoot>id says so too?
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06:02<cahoot>goauld: if you cat /proc/asound/cards - what gets listed?
06:03<goauld>0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
06:03<goauld> HDA Intel at 0xf8400000 irq 20
06:03<kop>olli: You looked at
06:04<goauld>there is a clue,
06:04<goauld>if i put a "alsa.file" in /etc/modprobe.d
06:04<goauld>witch this content
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06:05<seeS>hello dpkg stange for a bot to go
06:05<goauld>options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba
06:06<goauld>when i start alsa
06:06<seeS>oh those bloody intel things
06:06<goauld>something starts beeping inside the keyboard
06:06<goauld>with no stop
06:06<goauld>high noise
06:06<Supaplex>anti linux alarm? ;)
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06:07<goauld>u never know
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06:07<goauld>what ms could do
06:08<goauld>if a use another option=acer
06:08<goauld>no sound, no errors
06:08<kop>!tell goauld -about enter
06:08<goauld>sound card detectede, playing mp3 with no sound
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06:09<unknown>g'day dudes
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06:09<seeS>hello um, unknown person
06:09<unknown>i got a linksys wusb54g and a usrobotics usb wlan hooked up
06:09<unknown>neither are detected
06:10<unknown>some drivers availabe?
06:10<unknown>btw high sees
06:11<seeS>the usb one should be found in the usb list
06:11<unknown>power light on linksys lights up
06:11<Supaplex>lsusb ?
06:11<unknown>the usbrobotics doesn't
06:11<seeS>no the usb website
06:12<unknown>linnksys does not offer linux drivers
06:12<unknown>the punks
06:12<Supaplex>take it back to the store :P
06:12<unknown>there should be a rule
06:12<Supaplex>yea, it's called vote with your wallet.
06:12<unknown>you are a funny guy supaplex,i'm all cracked up
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06:13<Supaplex>no seriously, if you can, and there is no support for it, take it back.
06:13<unknown>i did join debian did I, or did I accidently enter smartassesRUs
06:13<unknown>I know that
06:13<dpkg>rumour has it, hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
06:14<unknown>just experimenting with what i got laying around
06:14<unknown>see what I can get to work under debian and not
06:14<Supaplex>the chances of you having the same hardware of any one of us, and any one of us alive, within the expected urgent timeframe you're requiring, is nearly 0.
06:14<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
06:14<unknown>I had installed a pci wireless card from linksys that wortked fine
06:14<Supaplex>but yea, poke around. see what you can do.
06:15<Supaplex>half of these vendors don't even make their own ic's
06:15<unknown>thnx dpkg
06:15<unknown>im kinda novice when it comes to linux/debian
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06:16<unknown><----mac freak
06:16<unknown><--- wintendo sucker
06:16<Supaplex>sorry for not holding your hand. I should have slept hours ago.
06:16<unknown>don't let me keep ya
06:17<seeS>id check lsusb first and then google on the chip
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06:17<Supaplex>yea, I mentioned lsusb a while ago. you can grok/grep for the id's in /lib/modules/<kernel>/
06:18<unknown>one says Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2046 Hub , the other simply says inksys
06:18<seeS>just linksys?
06:19<Supaplex>Bus 005 Device 012: ID 03f0:0205 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 3300c
06:19<unknown>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 13b1:000d Linksys
06:19<Supaplex>the part after "id" is helpful.
06:19<unknown>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0451:2046 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2046 Hub
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06:19<unknown>and i think the last one aint even a usb lan
06:20<Supaplex>no hits. egrep -i --color '13b1.*000d' modules.alias
06:20<unknown>there are twounnamed devices
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06:22<Supaplex>yea, no hits on either device in my kernel build.
06:22<dpkg>it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
06:22<Supaplex>m-a might have some other drivers
06:23<Supaplex>scratch that. m-a has drivers, one or more might be for your hardware
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06:25<unknown>hi andrek
06:26<andrek>I'm trying to install gnome on debian sid.. without a success.. says something about dependencies, gnome-desktop-environment.. any ideas?
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06:26<seeS>thats an over-all dummy package
06:27<andrek>so do i have to wait as they update that package, or what?
06:27<Supaplex>andrek: what's bts say?
06:27<seeS>gnome all up or just a gnome package
06:28<andrek>i did 'apt-get install gnome'
06:28<Supaplex>!btssmite andrek
06:28[~]dpkg beats andrek around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if andrek is running Unstable
06:28<seeS>hmm ok installing off sid is tricky with gnome
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06:28<andrek>gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1: but it is not going to be installed
06:28<andrek>that's what i get
06:28<andrek>do i have to wait?
06:29<seeS>ok try to install gnome-desktop-environment
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06:29<andrek> gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: ekiga (>= 2.0.3) but it is not going to be installed
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06:30<gr33nmang0>andrek: try aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
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06:31<seeS>why sid, why not try testing?
06:31<andrek>oh it says that it will not install ekiga, gnome-desktop-environment and libpal-2.2
06:31<andrek>oh, just because i do love fresh packages ;)
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06:32<gr33nmang0>andrek: but sid will be a bit headache for you ... better try Lenny
06:32<Supaplex>and they say sid certification is overrated ;)
06:32<gr33nmang0>andrek: did you try updating your system?
06:32<andrek>sure i did
06:32<lupine_85>lenny is also a headache right now
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06:33<andrek>oh and i saw that i'm not alone with this problem, looks like ekiga is a bit.. fucked up ;)
06:33<Supaplex>andrek: try flwm. I bet it's "less broken"
06:33<redal>hi all
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06:34<andrek>xfce is running well now, but i need to get gnome
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06:34<Supaplex>andrek: ask the package maintainers how you can help.
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06:40<wilson>how good is linux !
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06:40<seeS>its good
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06:43<wilson>kvm works pretty well now, it just need paravirtualized drivers
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07:05<kop>If I make a jfs fs and put the journal on another device is it going to be faster? If so then how big a partition do I need to make to hold the journal? Where is tfm on this?
07:06<lupine_85>kop: if the journal is on an independent physical device, it might be marginally faster
07:06<lupine_85>I wouldn't bet on it, though
07:07<seeS>i dont think it would make THAT much difference would it?
07:07<lupine_85>hardly any
07:07<kop>lupine_85: I'm thinking it might be more robust too. ?
07:07<lupine_85>not really
07:07<lupine_85>what use is the journal without the data?
07:08<lupine_85>and if you lose the journal, it's not the end of the world
07:09<kop>lupine_85: I'd think that using another device could dramatically reduce head movement, why do you say it'd wouldn't make much difference?
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07:10<lupine_85>kop: most I/O is non-blocking these days. it might reduce head movement, but I wouldn't think by very much
07:12<kop>lupine_85: I thought the point of the journal was that it got commited to disk a lot. If the journal only hits the disk during the 5 second sync then does this mean that you can really lose 10 seconds of data, 5 secs for the journal that would rollback and 5 seconds for the regular fs?
07:12<kop>lupine_85: Just curious.
07:13<lupine_85>kop: from the application point of view, you send the data to the kernel and that's it. then the kernel sends it to the journal, and thence the main area on the hard disc
07:13<kop>lupine_85: But if you're IO bound then going back and forth to the journal would matter. So how much improvment you get might depend on IO load. Normal load then not much difference but IO bound then lots of difference. ?
07:14<lupine_85>hmm, perhaps
07:15<kop>lupine_85: I'm thinking I might be IO bound (the apps not up and running yet) so figure I might give a separate journal partition a try. But how much space is required?
07:17<lupine_85>kop: <-- see options -j and -J
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07:17<lupine_85>not sure how bit it has to be, though
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07:20<lupine_85>kop: ah. the -s option
07:20<lupine_85>by default, 0.4% of the partition size
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07:21<lupine_85>(so 1.2GB for a 300GB partition? phwoar)
07:22<lupine_85>of course, if the two hard drives aren't on seperate IDE/sata busses, then you're just going to be bus-limited anyway
07:23<kop>lupine_85: Thanks. (They are on separate buses.)
07:23<lupine_85>let me know if you see a decent increase in speed :)
07:25<kop>lupine_85: (How did you figure that out?) Duh. It's in the man page. (IBM also has a web page on optimizing jfs.) I'll let you know if I know, but I probably won't be able to tell because I'm not going to spend the time to benchmark different approaches.)
07:25<lupine_85>ok, np
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07:27<smhar>hello friends
07:28<smhar>I am trying to install the driver for ati radeon x 1200, I used the fglrx one liner but got the following error:
07:30<lupine_85>half of it is compiled in amd64, the other half in i386
07:30<lupine_85>are you in etch?
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07:30<kop>lupine_85: says making the journal bigger makes jfs much faster, but does not really say exactly how much bigger (it hints at twice as big as the default.)
07:30<smhar>lucca, no, lenny
07:31<smhar>lupine_85, no. it is a lenny system on an amd 64 notebook
07:31<lupine_85>well, sucks to be you I guess. I'd report a bug on it, then grab the amd64 fglrx installer and go from there
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07:31<smhar>lupine_85, where is the amd64 fglrx installer
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07:32<lupine_85>on the ati/amd website
07:32<lupine_85>it's a sux0r way of doing it
07:32<kop>Is raid1 faster on write because it's got 2 heads to work with, or does it not matter (because it does not keep track of which head has done the write so it can sync things later?)
07:32<kop>kop: (I'm talking software raid with Linux here.)
07:32<seeS>faster than what?
07:33<seeS>its about as fast as a normal disk
07:33<smhar>lupine_85, the ati site doesn't list x 1200 in it
07:33<kop>seeS: Well, in theory if you've two disks you could write half the file to 1 and half to the other, and then go back later and clean up so both disks have full copies.
07:33<seeS>but it doesnt work like that
07:34<kop>seeS: So it could be twice as fast, for a burst at least. Ok. Thanks. That's what I was asking.
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07:36<smhar>lupine_85, and it doen't list drivers for amd64, only x86_64
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07:36<kop>seeS: It works that way on read though, right?
07:36<lupine_85>same thing, right now
07:36<seeS>reads slower
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07:36<seeS>read both disks then compare
07:37<kop>seeS: What if you did raid1 with 3 disks?
07:37<seeS>err, is that possible? i guess it is
07:37<seeS>write is still the same, read is slower again
07:38<kop>seeS: Where is tfm for the mdadm implimentation for this stuff?
07:38<seeS>not sure, this is generic RAID theory
07:39<seeS>raid 1 will not be faster
07:39<seeS>0 is faster but its less reliable
07:39<kop>seeS: You wouldn't _have_ to read twice and then compare. You could just read once and rely on whatever detects errors to tell you if the disk is borked.
07:40<seeS>how would it detect an error?
07:40<seeS>you mean read one disk and have something periodically scanning it?
07:40<kop>seeS: Same way you detect a disk error when not using raid at all.
07:41<seeS>raid sits below the fs
07:41<kop>seeS: No, I mean on read just pick the disk not being used so as to minimize seek time.
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07:42<kop>seeS: There's no hardware parity or whatnot that detects errors?
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07:42<seeS>youre right
07:42<seeS>it reads only one
07:43<kop>seeS: How did you find out?
07:43<seeS>RAID howto
07:43<kop>seeS: (Raid 5 is slow on write because it needs to checksum.)
07:44<kop>seeS: I'll RTFM. Is the most recent version hard to find?
07:44<seeS>its slow depending how it is done, with software it does slow it slightly
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07:46<seeS>sorry, raid1 write is slower and read is faster, they do read both
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07:47<seeS>chapter1 of the raid howto anyhow
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07:54<dhg>i would a ssl cert for mail-script with 128bit, the standard of the server is 256bit - how must i try to downgrade the ssl crt ? with SSL Ciphers ? or other wise?
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08:10<Club7>question: In apache2 if I want to use a index.php as my home page in a virtual server how do I set that? It seems that the other sites on the machine work fine with the index.html, but this one gives the contents of the directory instead, but if I type /index.php after the then it comes up
08:12<abrotman>Club7: there's a DirectoryIndex or something like that in your config file .. search the document for index.html .. and append index.php to the line
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08:34<plokko>F1 plz
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08:35<plokko>help plz
08:35<plokko>i have a damned problem in apache2
08:35<Supaplex>!tell plokko -about ask
08:35<Supaplex>!tell plokko -about enter
08:36<plokko>ah ok,someone online ^,^
08:36<JasonS>always is plokko
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08:36<dpkg>Test Failed.
08:37<Supaplex>plokko: did you read the messages dpkg sent your way?
08:37<plokko>i have a problem with debian 4.0 r1 with apache2,when i run a php file apache said error in line 0 cant find pear(or similar)
08:37<Supaplex>!+info php5-pear
08:37<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
08:37<dpkg>Package 'php5-pear' does not exist.
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08:38<plokko>phpinfo work,and phpmyadmin works
08:38<plokko>php5-pear installed
08:38<plokko>also php5,php5-db...evrything but still don't work
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08:39<plokko>can it be the apache config?
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08:39<plokko>i've tried but...nothing change! T_T
08:40<Supaplex>plokko: dpkg just stated there's no php5-pear package. how about /usr/share/php/PEAR/ ?
08:40<Supaplex>it's php-pear btw. :)
08:40<plokko>it's installed
08:40<Supaplex>is it in your include path?
08:41<plokko>...i think so...autoinstalled with (please don't kill me,i don't remember the debian autoinstaller XD)
08:41<Supaplex>check your include path ala phpinfo
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08:42<plokko>...but with phpmyadmin works
08:42<Supaplex>phpmyadmin doesn't require pear
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08:42<plokko>but xoops require it?
08:42<plokko>a simple php page still don't works!
08:42<Supaplex>you didn't pay attention. check your include path ala phpinfo
08:42<plokko>ok but what need pear?
08:43<plokko>(i must restart win to enter debian because my wifi don't work on debian)
08:43<Supaplex>uh, if /usr/share/php/PEAR/ isn't in the include path, guess what? it's not going to search there.
08:43<plokko>...ok next time i'll try
08:43<smhar>if I have a amd64 computer, can I use a 32 bit kernel and 32 bit drivers?
08:44<plokko>but the error should be "/etc/php:/etc/...pear"not found(or similar folders)
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08:44<Supaplex>plokko: one click later, and there I am.
08:45<Supaplex>plokko: should be? as in, you think it was, or, it's a bad design and you think it should say something else?
08:45<plokko>...ok but with phpinfo i see pear
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08:46<plokko>with phpinfo(); i see pear in the modules
08:47<Supaplex>which could be there just because pear was enabled durring compile time.
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08:47<Supaplex>that's my suspicion, subject to change on further review.
08:48<Supaplex>does it mention anything about the include_path?
08:48<plokko>include path?mmh no
08:48<Supaplex>study that
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08:50<plokko>rebooting,if you don't see me again it works!
08:50<Supaplex>plokko: I suspect debian deliberatly avoids configuring include_path for pear to avoid any adverse issues that *could* happen, if some project depended upon similar named files.
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08:51<Supaplex>and fix your wireless one of these days :)
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08:51<lupine_85>so, has anyone else noticed brokenness in alsa/testing?
08:52<Supaplex>uh... it's snowing.
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08:53<Supaplex>I wonder how they get the big blue room so cold so quick.
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08:58<cahoot>lupine_85: bts?
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09:00<lupine_85>I'm not too bothered, since piping through oss fix-rs it
09:01<cahoot>sounds like a fundamental contradicition
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09:03<lupine_85>well, there we have it
09:03<lupine_85>going directly through alsa does let sound play, but only once per instance. e.g. in amarok, it'll play one song, then amarok will freeze on the second
09:04<lupine_85>same with xmms
09:04<cahoot>how did you manage to get alsa and oss running simultaneously?
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09:19<smhar>what is the best way to run linux on linux in lenny?
09:20<Supaplex>something you can operate
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09:20<Supaplex>vserver, chroot, xen, uml, kvm, qemu, ...
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09:21<Supaplex>it's like asking what's the best way to eat a candy bar.
09:21<JasonS>smhar: pick a channel :)
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09:21<JasonS>smhar: vm? dual boot? i have to ask why though out of curiousity
09:22<smhar>ok, what are my option for out of the box solution, other than vm, as vm will run on a low specs virtual hardware and will not use the actual vga driver and similar'
09:23<Supaplex>user mode linux
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09:23<smhar>JasonS, I want to experiment with other distros , I have a new notebook and I want to see how other distros are recognizing its hardware
09:23<Supaplex>out of the box?. I actually love the actual use of actual these actual days we're actually in
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09:24<Supaplex>oh, then you'll need to multiboot
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09:25<Supaplex>you want multiple installs of linux on the same drive. they all have to be native if you're looking to compare hardware support. (unless research is enough)
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09:27<Cedric_Fr>Hi ...
09:28<Cedric_Fr>Salut ...
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09:28<Cedric_Fr>Je cherche un logiciel de permettant d'interfacer blackberry avec un groupware !
09:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
09:29<Cedric_Fr>I search a program who connect blackberry with groupware !
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09:31<smhar>ok... the ati site for the radeon driver says: 32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install or work. as I am running lenny with amd64 kernel on an amd64 notebook, what packages to be installed?
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09:32<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05.
09:33<Supaplex>smhar: the debian way(sm) is usually better. (try that first)
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09:34<smhar>Supaplex, I did, but got this error:
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09:34<plokko>hi i'm back
09:34<plokko>but now i knwo what it's
09:35<smhar>Supaplex, If that could be solved, I prefer it
09:35<plokko>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
09:35<plokko>Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
09:35<plokko>i have changed it but still don't work
09:36<plokko>i've writed ".:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/php/PEAR"
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09:36<smhar>Supaplex, the ati driver says it need : app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b , what are these libs?
09:37<plokko>i had this driver problem
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09:37<Supaplex>plokko: permission denied is the first clue. does the www-data user have read access to the php files? search and optionall read permissions on the directories leading up to them?
09:37<plokko>ati drivers need 32bit supports also if they are x86_64
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09:37<smhar>plokko, what files do I need to install?
09:38<plokko>32bit emulation
09:38<smhar>plokko, have you managed to install it?
09:38<plokko>i don't know in debian,i did it on bluewhite
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09:39<plokko>Supaplex: so i should only run chmod 777 /usr/share/php/* ???
09:39[~]Supaplex slashes Sr_Knoppix_Debian's tires
09:39<Supaplex>plokko: only if you want internet worms
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09:40<smhar>I have a .run driver installer. how to build a debian package from it?
09:40<Supaplex>smhar: generally you don't
09:40<plokko>if you read the manual is very simple
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09:40<Supaplex>plokko: that's a good idea on your pear issue. sucks to be on that side of the fence huh?
09:41<Supaplex>smhar: you can sh, *but* your deviation from debian packaging can cause subtle breakage
09:42<smhar>Supaplex, this is why I want to convert it to a debian package first
09:42<Supaplex>I have an x64 box. (but no x, and no ati)
09:42<Supaplex>I'll try building it the factoid way first.
09:42<lupine_85>seems unlikely to happen without considerable investment of effort
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09:43<plokko>what chmod i need on pear? rw only admin?
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09:44<smhar>ok.. let me start a basic question first: I have a amd64 notebook, I installed debian from the net-install cd, then installed amd64 kernel, then apt-get distupgrade. does this mean I have a 64 bit system now?
09:44<plokko>chmod 740?
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09:46<Supaplex>smhar: uname -m
09:46<Supaplex>plokko: don't chmod any of pear. chmod 644 /var/www/index.php
09:46[~]Supaplex flatens Sr_Knoppix_Debian's tires
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09:47<plokko>no chmod on www is ok
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09:47<plokko>i think is the chmod on pear who is wrong
09:48<Supaplex>plokko: if that's so, then you should not chmod random files in hopes of fixing a problem unless you're really sure what the cause is.
09:48<plokko>Supaplex: chmod 644 on pear files and 755 on pear folder should work
09:48<Supaplex>plokko: those files were from a debian package, right?
09:48<plokko>debian dvd
09:49<plokko>debian autoinstaller(i don't remember it's name asd)
09:49<Supaplex>plokko: "shotgun troubleshooting" is bad. very bad.
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09:50<Supaplex>plokko: I know you don't have to modify the pear permissions, otherwise would have a few bugs on the matter.
09:50[~]Supaplex checks
09:50<fxiny>tic tic tic
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09:51<Supaplex> comes close, but that's not a permissions issue.
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09:52<smhar>Supaplex, it says x64_64
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09:53<plokko>omg a bug...i chosed debian because it's bugfree asd XD
09:53<Supaplex>smhar: I build it just fine on etch. fglrx-kernel-2.6.18-5-amd64_8.28.8-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_amd64.deb
09:53<Supaplex>plokko: PICNIC until proven otherwise.
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09:54<Supaplex>smhar: are you using etch?
09:54<plokko>o,O lol supaplex
09:55<smhar>Supaplex, no lenny
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09:55<Supaplex>smhar: you say you apt-get distupgrade, but that has none effect unless you changed sources.list to another branch. ah, ok.
09:57<plokko>so...finally why ndiswrapper don't work?i need a driver for my wifi pen
09:57<Supaplex>1m. rebooting my build box.
09:57<plokko>ndiswrapper works but modproble report an error
09:57<plokko>cannot find module
09:59<fxiny>ops . this doesn't work anymore : fakeroot make-jpkg jre-6u3-linux-i586.bin . i'll do a "manual" install
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10:00<Supaplex>lol. hats off to udev. I had my kvm ps/2 mouse/keyboard swapped, and it works after booting.
10:00<Supaplex>no wonder grub gave me fits.
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10:01<smhar>Supaplex, you mean from etch to lenny, or 32 to 64? I di change the sources to lenny before distupgrade
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10:03<Supaplex>smhar: I think you've had 32bit all along. iirc, it takes extra work to run both at the same time.
10:03<Supaplex>64bit kernel, 32+64bit userland.
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10:04<Supaplex>I'm installing lenny in a testbed right now. bbiam
10:04<acritchlow>can anyone tell me how to enable debian so that I can gain access to it via the serial console?
10:04<acritchlow>*serial port
10:04<fxiny>ok done it : java version "1.6.0_03" . all updates-alternatives are ok .
10:05<Supaplex>acritchlow: man inittab
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10:06<smhar>Supaplex, so how to get a proper 64 bit system?
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10:08<Supaplex>smhar: uname -m suggests you're already running 64bit
10:08<gsimmons>acritchlow: There's also an example for placing getting on a serial line within /etc/inittab.
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10:08<smhar>Supaplex, but you said: ' I think you've had 32bit all along'?
10:08<Supaplex>smhar: I meant 64bit
10:08<Supaplex>CL|Weggli_m: hi.
10:09<smhar>Supaplex, ok :-)
10:09<CL|Weggli_m>who is mario??
10:09<CL|Weggli_m>ach sorry
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10:09<smhar>ok.. need to go now.. leaving every thing for late
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10:17<white_gecko>I want to build a .deb package with dpkg-buildpackage but the resulting package only contains files for /usr/share/doc
10:17<white_gecko>what is wrong?
10:17<Supaplex>which package is this?
10:18<white_gecko>from source
10:18<white_gecko>not the debian sources
10:18<white_gecko>but the sources from the bluez page
10:18<Supaplex>have you tried <simple sid backport> ?
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10:18<white_gecko>no because it is to old
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10:19<Supaplex>the short answer is, the debian/ directory is in need of help. (the package maintainer usually takes care of that)
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10:19<white_gecko>i nead at leased 3.15 i think but sid is 3.13
10:19<Supaplex>ahh. try simple sid backport, and uupdate
10:19<dpkg>uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision
10:20<dli>white_gecko, does it help? if you simply use the debian folder from 3.13 for 3.15?
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10:20<white_gecko>dli i'll try this
10:21<flayer>I hate it when my pc makes all sorts of beepy noises when all I'm trying to do is boot it. :(
10:21<dli>flayer, disable psspkr, from bios and kernel
10:21<flayer>dli or put in working memory
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10:22<flayer>i was just making a random comment really.. not looking for advice. sorry. thank though :)
10:22<white_gecko>at the bluez webpage there ist
10:22<white_gecko># bluez-libs-3.20.tar.gz
10:22<white_gecko># bluez-utils-3.20.tar.gz
10:22<white_gecko>but i cand find bluez-libs at debian
10:22<flayer>I tend to ramble on a lot in whatever channel i happen to be at the time. I'll put some other channel on my screen and ramble on in there instead
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10:23<Supaplex>!confuse flayer
10:23<dpkg>Yes, how is my hamster today, flayer? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste
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10:23<flayer>that seems to make perfect sense to me really
10:24[~]flayer hugs Supaplex
10:24<ifvoid>!confuse ifvoid
10:24<dpkg>Yes, how is our pineapple today, ifvoid? trousers of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra cream
10:25<fxiny>extra cream ? do you mean Fat Ball ?
10:25<flayer>hmm thats not nearly as random as one would have hoped
10:26[~]fxiny is confused by default
10:26<dpkg>idea is probably meaning you don't know.
10:26<Supaplex>!any idea
10:26<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
10:26<flayer>fxiny, i tend to be the confusing factor as opposed to being the one who is confused
10:27<white_gecko>dli: from which debian file should i take the debian/ folder ?
10:28<fxiny>flayer: so you gonna miss all the pleasure :)
10:28<flayer>im confused, what do you mean
10:29<Supaplex>white_gecko: use this, uupdate (1) - upgrade a source code package from an upstream revision
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10:29<fxiny>i'll check my theosophist manual for an answer , as soon as my cat stops playing with it :)
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10:30<white_gecko>supaplex so i only take the debian sources
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10:33<Risjh>Anyone aware if suspend doesnt work with Dell Latitude D520? it doesnt seem to be working fine here
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10:34<CL|Weggli_m><----------- debian etch user
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10:35<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
10:35<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
10:35<themill>Risjh: ^^
10:35<Risjh>thanks themill :)
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10:36<themill>np. Good luck! Also look for reports of other people getting it to work on the usual linux laptop websites.
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10:37<dpkg>methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
10:37<themill>Risjh: ^^
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10:40<Risjh>themill, when i closed the lid and opened it again, the display didnt come back :(
10:40<radoo>hi! how can i set a path variable for gcc-4.1?
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10:44<cahoot>radoo: got your video sorted?
10:44<themill>Risjh: you need to do this one step at a time following the instructions on the s2ram website. Does it now work from the command line with no X running?
10:44<radoo>a bit :) it runs on nv driver now
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10:44<radoo>after i annoyed a couple of people here :)
10:44<radoo>just joking, i am really thankfull for the help all offered me
10:44<themill>dpkg: you're slow
10:44<cahoot>radoo: ok - just curious
10:44<radoo>now i have a problem with that nvidia installer saying the "cc" isn't in path
10:44<Risjh>themill, oh, ill try
10:44<cahoot>radoo: is it installed at all?
10:44<radoo>it is green in synaptic :)
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10:48<radoo>:/ make: *** No rule to make target `etc'. Stop.
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10:48<themill>cahoot: no, gcc is not managed by the alternatives system
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10:48<radoo>sorry, what is IIRC?
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10:49<themill>bah... dpkg is broken today... If I Remember Correctly
10:49<cahoot>the-dude: why ic cc and c++ present in /etc/alternatives then?
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10:49<cahoot>themill: ^^
10:49|-|Kanal #debian zsynchronizowany w 97 sekundy
10:49<lupine_85>not a clue, but I remember reading the bugreport on this
10:50<lupine_85>it's not managed by update-alternatives /et al/
10:50<themill>cahoot: that's to let you choose between gcc and intel cc or something else like that, but it's not for choosing gcc versions.
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10:50<radoo>i did a goole serch for IIRC i presume it isn't Interactive Illinois Report Card lol
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10:50<cahoot>themill: thanks for clarification
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10:50<radoo>oh, if i remember corectly :)
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10:51<themill>cahoot: np. It's a common question that one.
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10:52<white_gecko>Supaplex: uupdate: no archive given
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10:52<radoo>what does this mean *** No rule to make target `etc'. Stop.?
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10:54<Risjh>I have a new problem, the time on this laptop seems to be changing each time i reboot ( even though i set it correctly each time)
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10:56<themill>Risjh: is it a timezone problem? i.e. a whole number of hours wrong?
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10:56<Supaplex>my bad. I tripped on the nettubes.
10:56<themill>Supaplex: is the netsplit your fault?
10:57<jeffroiscool>Hello, I want to run a script on irc on my linux server, what is the best way and application to do this?
10:57<themill>Supaplex: then weld those intartubes back together asap.
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10:57<white_gecko>Supaplex: I get: "uupdate: no archive given"
10:57<white_gecko>how to use uupdate?
10:58<Risjh>themill, says its a laptop problem, i did whats mentioned there, i still have the problem :(
10:58<njende>has anyone experience with an ATI S-ATA Controller? It's an onboard one and I cant get that lil beast into gear.
10:58<Risjh>and i dont even know if wireless is working yet or not :S
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10:59<Risjh>and touchpad tapping isnt working as well :/
10:59<Supaplex>white_gecko: feed it the upstream tarball
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10:59<jeffroiscool>does anyone know what application should be used if i want to run a irc bot script in combination with screen so i dont need to have x11 running?
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11:00<Supaplex>jeffroiscool: something from /etc/shells I presume.
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11:01<jeffroiscool>hmmm, yes but i only have a script programmed in mirc so i want to know what application is best to use with it
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11:02<themill>Risjh: one thing at a gime ;)
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11:02<themill>!tell knoppix_ about just ask
11:02<Guest1068>who is this?
11:02<themill>bah.... our bot is netsplit....
11:03<white_gecko>Supaplex: there is only one debian source but on bluez are two files
11:03<Risjh>themill, i am after the clock/time now :P
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11:03<themill>Risjh: do you also have windoze on this machine?
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11:08<jeffroiscool>hmmm, yes but i only have a script programmed in mirc so i want to know what application is best to use with it
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11:09<Supaplex>jeffroiscool: there is no way to run that script based on your request/requirements
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11:10<jeffroiscool>So i have to have x11 runing to be able to use a script?
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11:11<jeffroiscool>I am ready to rewrite that script as long as i dont need to run x11
11:11<jeffroiscool>so i can just execute a sh script or anything to have a bot running
11:11<themill>what does X have to do with it?
11:11<Supaplex>jeffroiscool: to run mirc, under wine
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11:12<jeffroiscool>Yes i know i can use wine, but i dont want to get a monitor, log in to my linux to just open wine with mirc
11:12<Vakio>jeffroiscool: why not use some real IRC bot like eggdrop or rbot?
11:12<Supaplex>jeffroiscool: unless you intend to port your mirc scripts to perl etc
11:12<jeffroiscool>ill try those 2
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11:13<themill>radoo: if I had said in german: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 make usw." you wouldn't have typed the "usw" in but the correct target for the makefile, wouldn't you? That was what I meant by make etc.
11:14<radoo>oh, :)
11:14<themill>radoo: I have no idea what the correct target for make is in your case... you have to fill in some of the blanks yourself.
11:15<Supaplex>white_gecko: libbluetooth2 == bluez-libs-3.20.tar.gz and bluez-utils-3.20.tar.gz == bluez-utils
11:15<radoo>sorry.. you're right
11:15<themill>radoo: no worries ;)
11:15<radoo>man make should help
11:16<white_gecko>Supaplex: ah i think I'll get ist
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11:17<Supaplex>white_gecko: uscan is pretty cool to, but don't get in over you head. :)
11:17<jeffroiscool>Where can I find the connection configurtation of rbot, i tried man rbot but it doest state where
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11:20<jeffroiscool>Please? It just tried to connect to localhost and I cant configure it -,-
11:21<white_gecko>Supaplex: there ist no debian/watch for it
11:21<Supaplex>jeffroiscool: what package is it in? try dpkg -L <that>
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11:21<Supaplex>white_gecko: yeah, it's not in all packages.
11:21<Vakio>jeffroiscool: somewhere under ~/.rbot
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11:22<jeffroiscool>I dont get what its sayinh
11:22<jeffroiscool>ii rbot 0.9.7-1 IRC bot written in ruby
11:22<Supaplex>I've nver used rbot, however, dpkg -L rbot shows all the files in that package. look in /usr/share/doc, man directories, and so on
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11:23<Supaplex>we don't know all the answers all the time =)
11:23<jeffroiscool>that line is the only thing it said
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11:23<Supaplex>case matters
11:24<Vakio>jeffroiscool: read /usr/share/doc/rbot/README.Debian
11:24<Supaplex>-L is not -l
11:24<jeffroiscool>I fount it xD
11:24<jeffroiscool>nano config.rb
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11:25<Vakio>jeffroiscool: README.Debian has a section called "How to run the bot" which you might find helpful.
11:25<jeffroiscool>ok ill look into it
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11:26<Risjh>themill, clock works now it seems
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11:27<Risjh>themill, how do i check about wireless?
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11:30<radoo>i tried so export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 - as i read, this should change the current "to use "version of gcc....nvidia-installer still complains though, cc isn't in the path...i tried apt-get install gcc-4.1 because i thought maybe isn't there, but i received a message it is already the newest version...clueless
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11:31<marth>hi all, I'm trying out xsane with gocr... but for some reason even very clear text at very high resolutions do not get recognized properly, what can I do about this?
11:32<themill>Risjh: our dpkg bot has gone walkies on us, but this is what he would have said: If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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11:33<lupine_85>test failed, nyoro~n
11:33<Risjh>themill, done that already
11:33<fxiny>failed ? where are *all* my pics ?
11:33<lupine_85>RF Kill switch off? ipw daemon running?
11:34<themill>radoo: ahh.... it might be that the nvidia installer doesn't like CC= because they didn't make a decent makefile. instead, mkdir ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin/:$PATH; and then try again with the makefile.
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11:34<Risjh>lupine_85, how do i find that out? ps aux | grep ipw? it doesnt show anything
11:34<themill>Risjh: modprobe ipw3945
11:34<themill>Risjh: that both inserts the module and starts the daemon
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11:35<lupine_85>what themill said, though if it still doesn't run you could try starting it yourself
11:35<Risjh>hmm it starts it on each reboot?
11:35<themill>Risjh: you also need to check dmesg for errors. It might complain about the kill switch.
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11:35<Risjh>* Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded.
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11:35<Risjh>this is what i get from modprobe
11:36<themill>hmm... do you have the firmware installed? errors in dmesg?
11:36<wr>hey I got some problem with installing bind9. it says "named: capset failed: Operation not permitted"
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11:36<Risjh>yes i think i have the firmware installed, no error i think
11:36<bcochofel>does anybody know when will lenny be stable? a year, 6 months?
11:36<wr>google took me to some pages where people said it was about vservers
11:37<wr>does any of you know how to solve the problem?
11:37<Supaplex>bcochofel: when it's ready?
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11:37<themill>bcochofel: when it's ready... I'd be surprised if that's less than 12 months from now.
11:37<Supaplex>bcochofel: hint, it'll freeze before it's released.
11:37<lupine_85>we just /had/ a stable release...
11:38<bcochofel>Supaplex: yes, but is there a plan for the stable lenny? I mean, date
11:38<themill>Risjh: the only reason the driver won't load is if it can't find the firmware or can't find the hardware.
11:38<Supaplex>bcochofel: the offical word is "When it's ready"
11:38<bcochofel>lupine_85: I'm not complaining, I believe etch is REALLY stable
11:38<bcochofel>Supaplex: ok, thx
11:38<Risjh>themill, dmesg output
11:38<themill>Risjh: you have checked that you have that hardware, haven't you? (lspci)
11:39<Lounge>i have an openpgp/thunderbird question
11:39[~]Supaplex hides
11:39<Supaplex>Lounge: 42!! that's my first answer!
11:39<Lounge>is it possible to select the sha digest to 512?
11:39<Risjh>themill, yes lspci shows Broadcom Wireless WLAN card
11:39<themill>Risjh: hmm... try modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945
11:40<themill>Risjh: broadcom wlan doesn't usually use ipw3945, but you have a wired lan that is broadcom.
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11:40<themill>Risjh: it should be 0b:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
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11:40<Lounge>i made a key that has both sub keys as rsa, 1 for signing and the other for encrypting
11:41<Lounge>but can i use the sha-512 digest? - in openpgp, thunderbird?
11:42<Lounge>or can it only be sha-1?
11:42<Risjh>themill, lspci paste
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11:45<themill>like rats from a sinking ship....
11:45<Lounge>Supaplex - 42????
11:46<OSuKaRu^-^>problems with sound in the lastest stable dist
11:46<Lounge>oh well
11:46<lupine_85>that's bcm43xx required
11:46<Scurz>OSuKaRu^-^: explain your problem please ;)
11:47<lupine_85>not ipw
11:47<OSuKaRu^-^>i use ALSA
11:47<OSuKaRu^-^>it works the sound ONLY on the video streams
11:48<themill>lupine_85: yeah. It's one of those "dell puts multiple things in the box but uses the same model number" problems. Risjh assumed it was ipw3945 because that was what other installation reports talked about.
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11:48<radoo>themill, the same result....
11:48<OSuKaRu^-^>hi radoo
11:48<Scurz>OSuKaRu^-^: Is it you who posted on the debian mailing list for this problem ? :-)
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11:48<themill>lupine_85: do you know bcm43xx? I've never played with it at all.
11:49<lupine_85>you load the module and make sure you have the firmware in /lib/firmware
11:49<OSuKaRu^-^>mabe time agó
11:49<lupine_85>whoops, no bot
11:49<OSuKaRu^-^>and maby not
11:49<lupine_85>cripes that's annoying
11:50<radoo>i'm really starting to hate that nvidia-installer....though i read on the web, for some it works...smooth
11:50<OSuKaRu^-^>Whats the por, radoo
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11:50<OSuKaRu^-^>the problem, radoo?
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11:51<radoo>right now i'm trying to make nvidia-installer accept the fact i have gcc-4.1 installed
11:51<radoo>it doesn't want to belive that...
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11:51<OSuKaRu^-^>yeah, i know that
11:51<OSuKaRu^-^>i dont remember how i fix it
11:51<radoo>then so you know how to solve it? :D
11:52<OSuKaRu^-^>Xorg or Xfree?
11:52<themill>lupine_85: yep... I've been copying bits over from freenode :) Don't we have backup bots here too?
11:52<OSuKaRu^-^>mabe you see the fault if i pass my conf file
11:53<radoo>i am a noob- i guess i won't understand much from it...
11:53<OSuKaRu^-^>i know i got something in special in that, but i dont remember exactly what
11:54<themill>lupine_85: hmmm... can't find any of our backup bots either :(
11:54<Risjh>themill, back
11:54<OSuKaRu^-^>in /etc/x11/ there's a file called xorg.conf
11:54<radoo>is there a big problem if i install gcc4.2 again and then let nvidia-installer run on the new compiler?
11:54<lupine_85>etch is Xorg
11:54<Risjh>themill, whats about this Dell using the same names? :o
11:55<OSuKaRu^-^>compare this with yours
11:55<Risjh>so i didnt need ipw3945?
11:55<themill>Risjh: it's pretty common for laptop manufacturers to use the same model name for different bits of hardware. They often change network cards or even video cards and give it the same name ;(
11:55<OSuKaRu^-^>tryit. if it works...
11:55<themill>Risjh: no, you need bcm43xx
11:56[~]Risjh facepalms
11:56<Risjh>how do i get it? :)
11:56[~]Risjh searches
11:56<themill>[17:54] <dpkg> bcm43xx-fwcutter is, like, a tool used to extract firmware from BCM43xx driver files. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package will optionally download, extract and install this firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). This package is in <contrib>
11:56<OSuKaRu^-^>well. ¿what about my ALSA problem?
11:56<cahoot>try modprobe it
11:56<Scurz>Can I use smartcl for SATA disks ?
11:57<themill> "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "cd /lib/firmware && wget && bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta- && rm wl_apsta-". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
11:57<radoo>ok, thanx brb
11:57<Risjh>it wont work on etch?
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11:57<themill>Risjh: ^^
11:57<themill>the second one is "bcm43xx-fwcutter etch"
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11:58<themill>dpkg: come back you lazy bloody bot
11:58<lupine_85>poor l'il guy
11:58<lupine_85>so how's it feel to be the new bot, themill?
11:58<themill>if he were around, I'd !lart dpkg ....
11:58<lupine_85>it starts like this... the apprenticeship period
11:59<themill>*sigh* filling in for the master while he's away....
11:59<lupine_85>once you've memorised every factoid of the freenode bot, they'll cut your brain out and wire you up to the internet permentantly
11:59<lupine_85>also permenantly
11:59<themill>yummy all the intartubes I can get...
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12:00<Risjh>ok, done, so now its working?? how do i check?
12:00<lupine_85>the outputs of dmesg, ifconfig and iwconfig are good starting points
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12:00<Risjh>do i need to remove ipw3945?
12:01<Risjh>for these changes to take effect?
12:01<lupine_85>not particularly, but you can if you like
12:01<dpkg>Test Failed.
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12:01<lupine_85>false alarm folks
12:01<themill>!welcome back
12:01<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
12:01<dpkg>oi, stop that
12:03<Risjh>themill, lupine_85 the dmesg output
12:03<Risjh>ifconfig shows lo and eth1 only
12:03<themill>Risjh: ifconfig -a
12:03<Risjh>do i need to restart?
12:03<themill>dpkg: where have you been
12:03<dpkg>out drinking with the bots.
12:03<cahoot>try modprobe bcm43xx
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12:05<Risjh>ifconfig -a shows sit0 and eth0-00 which shows UNSPEC as link encap
12:05<radoo>well, IT WORKED :D
12:05<Risjh>( along with eth1 and lo)
12:05<radoo>ok, i guess i'll go for drinks :) see you and again thank you for your help :)
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12:06<Risjh>and iwconfig shows eth0 eth1 lo and sit0 with "no wireless extensions"
12:06<cahoot>Risjh: did you modprobe bcm43xx?
12:06<Risjh>cahoot, yes
12:07<cahoot>and dmesg says it loaded with correct fw?
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12:08<cahoot>your earlier paste didn't indicate you loaded bcm43xx
12:08<Risjh>ill paste again
12:08<Risjh>(after modprobe)
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12:09<Risjh>it shows as loaded
12:09<Scurz>Does it exist an equivalent like smartcl to test SCSI/SATA disks ?
12:10<Risjh>so how do i check now? iwconfig still shows the same thing, and so does ifconfig -a
12:10<themill>Risjh: did it really only say "bcm43xx driver"? drivers are normally much more chatty than that...
12:10<cahoot>Risjh: modprobe -r both bmc43xx and ipw345 - then modprobe bcm43xx again
12:10<Risjh>themill, that only
12:11<themill>bcm calls it's interface wlan0, doesn't it?
12:11<cahoot>no eth*
12:11<Risjh>ok done, still same thing :(
12:12<Risjh>dmesg still shows it as "bcm43xx driver" only
12:12<themill>cahoot: ok... (never used it so trying to learn here ;)
12:12<cahoot>did you modprobe -r ipw3945?
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12:12<Scurz>no idea for my question?
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12:13<Risjh>did modprobe -r both ipw3945 and bcm43xx and then modprobe bcm43xx
12:13<Risjh>how would i know if its working?
12:13<Risjh>should i paste my ifconfig -a
12:13<cahoot>you'd get some encouraging text in dmesg
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12:14<cahoot>might paste the output of lsmod
12:14<lupine_85>what about /lib/firmware?
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12:15<yang>I wonder where can i edit the checkfs disk checker boot up script? to set up the number of mounts.
12:15<Risjh> lsmod output
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12:16<Risjh>lupine_85, it has lots of bcm43xx* and one ipw3945.ucode
12:16<lupine_85>fair enuf
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12:17<Risjh>btw, whenever the laptop boots up the sound is always muted, i have to manually unmute it each time, is it a problem or is it by default?
12:17<foug>does openoffice have some form of Power Point?
12:17<jeffroiscool>How to search for files in debian?
12:17<lupine_85>foug: Impress
12:18<cahoot>foug: but if you want to show off - use latex-beamer
12:19<foug>cahoot, lupine_85 hmm ok, well it's just something i need for a proejct in class
12:19<jeffroiscool>How do you search for files in debian?
12:19<jeffroiscool>k thankx
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12:21<jeffroiscool>can i search for stuff with find to with filters or something
12:21<jeffroiscool>now it says nothing found :S
12:23<chealer__>jeffroiscool: what do you want to know?
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12:23<jeffroiscool>I want to find out where eggdrop is installed
12:23<jeffroiscool>So i can configure it
12:23<lupine_85>find accepts regexes
12:24<lupine_85>but you really want dpkg -L eggdrop
12:24<yang>jeffroiscool: dpkg -L eggdrop will show you the files
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12:24[~]Risjh wonders
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12:24<jeffroiscool>Thank you ^^
12:24<Risjh>themill, did dmesg or lsmod made you think i needed bcm43xx?
12:24[~]Risjh is lost
12:25<chealer__>Risjh: looks abnormal. you can check whether # alsactl store; works.
12:25<Risjh>command not found :o
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12:26<themill>Risjh: lspci
12:27<dpkg>rumour has it, hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
12:27<themill>Risjh: stick lspci -n into to double check
12:27<lupine_85>could be that a broadcom 1390 doesn't like the bcm43xx driver
12:29<bcochofel>lupine_85: there are some chips that don't work with bcm43xx driver, you can check that on the irc channel of bcm43xx
12:29<Risjh>themill, aaah
12:29<Risjh>yes it says bcm43xx
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12:31<blal>Ok, bottom line it for me. I have a boot disk that won't boot on my laptop. I'd like to try using PXE to get the laptop to boot from [the data on] the CD instead. This is on my home network; I'm running Debian on a box I'm considering running a PXE server on.
12:32<blal>1 to 10, how big a PITA is this going to be? I have previous exposure to networking, routing, dhcp servers, etc.
12:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:33<blal>Also, hi, entuall .
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12:41<Risjh>how do i get the tapping to work though?
12:42<Risjh>i installed xorg synaptics driver and everythign works except the tapping
12:44<[gloom]>Risjh: you can configure the driver with synclient, but there's a most confortable GUI, at least under kde called ksynaptics
12:44[~]Risjh is using gnome
12:44<[gloom]>Risjh: so try the command line
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12:45<Risjh>well synclient -l shows FastTaps = 1
12:46<Risjh>so i guess tapping is enabled, but i dunno why i am not able to
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12:53<Vakio>Risjh: "FastTaps" doesn't sound like an option which enables tapping. More like changing how it works.
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12:56<mrio>is there anyone here that uses junit4?The compilation was done without any problem,but org.junit.runner.JUnitCore says that it can't find the class I'm trying to test.
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12:58<Risjh>ok thanks guys for all the help, i am off for now will try fix things later, thanks a lot :)
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13:04<the-dude>what's the differance between amavisd-new and amavisd-new-milter
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13:06<Eulex>the-dude, apt-cache show is your friend
13:06<the-dude>I know but it does not show a differance
13:07<Eulex>yes it does
13:08<the-dude>yeah it has diffirent checksums and differant size
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13:09<Eulex>amavisd-new-milter says "It supports sendmail milter through this package.". amavisd-new says "It supports sendmail milter through the amavisd-new-milter package.".
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13:10<jeffroiscool>does anyone know a easy infobot for irc without all the extra options like eggdrop and rbot have?
13:10<the-dude>Eulex, that still doesn't tell me what the differance is
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13:11<Eulex>amavisd-new-filter provides sendmail milter support for amavisd-new?
13:13<the-dude>still can't decide which one I should use
13:13<jeffroiscool>Anyone please?
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13:15<Eulex>the-dude, as amavisd-new-milter provides sendmail milter support for amavisd-new you need amavisd-new to use amavisd-new-milter. I have no idea what sendmail milter support means, but well, it has something to do with sendmail and you can prolly skip it if you aren't using sendmail :)
13:16<lupine_85>milter == mail filter
13:16<fxiny>the-dude: none of them , take and easier way : clamsmtp ;)
13:17<fxiny>be lazy
13:17<the-dude>yeah but I want some spamfiltering aswell
13:18<fxiny>bogofilter , same attitude :)
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13:19<sink>Me entro la neura por actualizar a lenny
13:19<sink>pero al final... xd
13:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:20<sink>:$ i thought this channel were debian-es
13:20<sink>thanks :)
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13:26<jeffroiscool>hello dpkg
13:26<jeffroiscool>What program was used for dpkg? (the bot?)
13:27<chealer__>dpkg: tell jeffroiscool about what you are.
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13:29<jeffroiscool>hmm, isnt there any good EASY infobot without compiling it and have like 3000+ functions i dont want to be used?
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13:30<Alk3>when i open aptitude i see garbled text in some places. like in menus, and pop ups
13:31<Alk3>anyone know the fix?
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13:33<Alk3>anyone alive?
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13:37<soren__>dpkg: tell SorenStoutner about what you are.
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13:37<Alk3>anyone know what is up with my ncurses in aptitude? it happens with all ncurses applications as well. garbled text
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13:38<debchi>hello everybody
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13:38<ifvoid|0075148>Alk3: maybe your locale is wrong?
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13:39<Alk3>i thought it might be taht. i purged a bunch of locales with localepurge
13:39<blal>PXE question: From where does one get pxelinux.0 ? I see references to this file in the documentation, but I can't find which package this comes from, etc.
13:40<blal>(I want a PXE-capable laptop to boot from a dhcp/tftp server running Debian that I own)
13:40<ifvoid|0075148>blal: probably from d-i
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13:41<debchi>blal : the package is syslinux
13:41<Alk3>ifvoid|0075148: am i able to re install the locales with apt?
13:42<ifvoid|0075148>Alk3: apt-get install --reinstall locales
13:42<Alk3>i just searched apt. wasnt sure what the package was called.
13:42<Alk3>thanks man
13:42[~]blal investigates syslinux and the netboot image...
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13:51<blal>debchi : ifvoid|0075148 : Thanks for your help, you two.
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13:52<debchi>blal : no problem ;-)
13:52<stinger>what do I need to edit to add servers to resolv.conf
13:53<Alk3>ifvoid|0075148: I had to remove localepurge. and then reinstall EVERYTHING that localepurge removed man pages and locales for, that were other languages
13:53<Alk3>so basically apt-get install --reinstall EVERYTHING..... LOL
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13:54<ifvoid|0075148>stinger: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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13:55<stinger>really? hmm
13:56<ifvoid|0075148>if you're using dhcp
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13:57<Alk3>ifvoid|0075148: thanks for the help
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13:58<ibane>msg sameo estás ahi?
13:58<cursedbr>o que que rola nesse canal
13:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:59<cursedbr>thanks, and sorry
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14:09<tinctorius>Is there a 32-bit version of OpenSSL or GNU TLS available for amd64?
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14:10<tinctorius>If not: how do I build openssl to have it installed in /emul/ia32-linux/?
14:10<lupine_85>use getlibs
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14:11[~]tinctorius checks getlibs (sounds interesting)
14:12<tinctorius>it's more like I'm trying to build libflashsupport from source
14:12<tinctorius>which uses libssl (cc (...) -ssl (...))
14:12<lupine_85>eh, you want the -dev package then
14:13<tinctorius>I have libssl-dev for amd64, and gcc (of course) complains about incompatible binaries and such.
14:13<lupine_85>then you want a 32-bit toolchain
14:14<tinctorius>I use a biarch toolchain for this
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14:14<tinctorius>gcc-3.4, if I recall it correctly
14:14<tinctorius>basically, I get errors like
14:15<tinctorius>/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/ when searching for -lssl
14:15<tinctorius>/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libssl.a when searching for -lssl
14:15<tinctorius>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl
14:15<simonrvn>dopn't paste here please
14:15<tinctorius>so if I'd have a libssl in /usr/lib32, it'd link
14:15<tinctorius>problem is: I don't have libssl in /usr/lib32, and I don't see one in lenny
14:16[~]tinctorius is checking etch
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14:16<tinctorius>... or in etch :P
14:17<tinctorius>so, back to my question:
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14:18<aredhel>tinctorius, for etch the best way to get a 32bit tool chain is a 32bit chroot.
14:19<tinctorius>but I'm ignorant and choose to ignore the chroot-option
14:19<lupine_85>well, you could manually download the _i386.deb package and grab the .deb from it
14:19<tinctorius>I think chroots are somewhat... inconvenient
14:19<lupine_85>erm, .a
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14:20<tinctorius>hmm... that'd be an option
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14:21<aredhel>if you are just missing one or two libs, swipe the .a libs from the i386 dev packages.
14:22<tinctorius>I don't know how much I'll miss
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14:24<tinctorius>if I link against a 32-bit .a-file, do I still need the 32-bit .so-file?
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14:25<tinctorius>what does -lssl do? static or dynamic linking?
14:25<Myon>dynamic by default
14:25<Myon>unless you say -static
14:25<tinctorius>that would be nice :)
14:25<tinctorius>I'll try that
14:25<Myon>if you link against the .a you don't need the .so (and vice versa)
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14:30<tinctorius>that just linked
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14:31<tinctorius>aww shit
14:31<tinctorius>still doesn't work then
14:31<tinctorius>back to esd it is :(
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14:33<foug>my teamspeak isn't working, it shows me as muted, any help? When i go to settings > unmute, nothing happens
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14:34<foug>alsa-mixer is the command to open alsa right?
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14:35<foug>how can i see if i have alsa installed?
14:35<Scurz>foug: dpkg -l | grep alsa
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14:36<Scurz>foug: or aptitude search <package> and you read the package status.
14:36<foug>Scurz, k i have alsa base and utils, how can i open alsa?
14:36<lupine_85>tin opener?
14:37<lupine_85>if you want a mixer, then run "alsamixer"
14:37<foug>in terminal, i thought alsa-mixer was the command
14:37<lupine_85>(you have to install it first)
14:37<foug>omg no -. ok thanks man
14:38<foug>hmm, ok how can i turn my mic on in alsamixer?
14:38<Supaplex>foug: be sexier?
14:38<lupine_85>totally depends on the soundcard
14:38<lupine_85>also, it might be line-in
14:38<foug>it's worked before, in wndows and ubuntu
14:39<foug>just, what's the button to turn something on or off in alsa?
14:39<lupine_85>for mute
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15:07<zam>how can i know what kernel ver i'm booting in ?
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15:07<lupine_85>uname -r
15:07[~]lupine_85 takes the cookie jar
15:08<zam>lupine_85: thanks
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15:09<zam>now how can i install the kernel source for my kernel ??
15:09<lupine_85>linux-source-<major version>
15:09<zam>so i can compill alsa ?
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15:10<lupine_85>you probably want linux-headers-<kernel version> for that
15:10<chealer>zam: install the package providing it.
15:10<chealer>zam: if you don't mind, why do you want to compile ALSA?
15:10<lupine_85>all the cool kids are doing it
15:11<zam>chealer: cas i'm having broblim with corrent debian pakeg
15:11<chealer>zam: what?
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15:14<stew>zam: aptitude install modules-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa
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15:23<g3oo>Hello ppl :) i installed debian ... and i need some help understanding applications installations
15:24<g3oo>its often used as .tar.gz ... so i read that u need to use in console tar xzf to untar it
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15:24<lupine_85>g3oo: in debian, you mostly use .deb files
15:24<lupine_85>actually, you mostly use repositories
15:24<g3oo>but ... from here .. i got the problem ... where is it installed ? and how ? and if i dont find it in menu's ?
15:24<g3oo>yes ... but some software i cant find under .deb
15:24<lupine_85>because then you can apt-get install <application> and all dependency checking, etc is automatically sorted
15:24<g3oo>its .tar.gz
15:24<lupine_85>what's the program?
15:25<g3oo>its a tunnel
15:25<g3oo>but anyway .. i dun care bout the program
15:25<g3oo>i jsut want to understand the mecanisme
15:25<lupine_85>.tar.gz normally contains source code
15:25<g3oo>there is a list of sources right ? with all the names of software
15:25<lupine_85>so you compile, and install, it
15:25<lupine_85>forget about uninstalling
15:25<g3oo>compile it ???? how ?? ( no programming skills )
15:26<lupine_85>well, that depends on the source
15:26<dpkg>tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
15:26<lupine_85>that works for most stuff
15:26<lupine_85>but you'll need to resolve dependencies by hand (protip: this is hard if you're crap)
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15:26<g3oo>aha .. but if i use apt-get , means the application is in the source list right ? and the installation package is already on the pc ?
15:27<lupine_85>I have no idea what you mean by that,
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15:27<lupine_85>apt-get stores downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, if that's what you mean
15:27<g3oo>when i use apt-get .. the system gets a sofware that debian already ahs the installation packade ?
15:28<g3oo>means if i put my .tar.gz file in /var/cache/apt/archives , apt-get will find it n install it ?
15:28<lupine_85>lol, no
15:28<[wRi]pImP>i was wondering if there is an fserve or xdcc script for debian ?
15:28<lupine_85>it's a computer, not a telepath
15:28<g3oo>okay :p
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15:29<g3oo>mean tar , should be compiled it the only solution ..
15:29<zam>stew: E: Couldn't find package modules-assistant
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15:29<lupine_85>g3oo: only use the source if no alternative, there is
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15:30<zam>lupine_85: yes i'm traying to do dist-upgrade maybe that fix some thing !!
15:30<lupine_85>no, you misspelt the package name. modules-assistant != module-assistant
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15:32<g3oo>lupine_85 , my basic problem is with commands that are oftne used in console ... do u know any tutorial or documentation talkin specifically about thaT ?
15:33<lupine_85>any generic book on linux and/or UNIX will do you fine
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15:34<g3oo>u mean a pdf downlaodable book ?
15:34<lupine_85>no, I mean a book that you get from a library or book shop
15:34<lupine_85>otherwise, you have manpages
15:34<g3oo>oh i never went to a library :p
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15:35<lupine_85>you should try it sometime
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15:35<g3oo>yes but my problem is that i live in france ... and im not familiar with french .. neither french books .. so i have to order thru internet or smth ...
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15:36<lupine_85>oO you're using httptunnel
15:36<lupine_85>cripes, it's been a while
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15:36<g3o>sorry disc ... i was saying , i live in france , n not familiar with french lol :p
15:36<g3o>n its not easy to find english boosk
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15:37<lupine_85>sounds like a good opportunity to learn french, too
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15:38<g3o>maybe ;p but i prefer to stay on english concerning computers , coz u dont find french inf o, as much as u can find in english
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15:39<Eomys>hey guys, i'm testing pam_limits but i realize that only virtual memory limit per process works. is there some way to limit overall memory usage for one user?
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15:40<Eomys>(the examples in the guide to securing debian doesn't work)
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15:48<Supaplex> hi
15:49<camden>anybody know a way to have a different background for each virtual desktop in gnome?
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16:11<msan>How do I get my digital camera to show up in Debian Etch ? I am not using GNOME/KDE/XFce. I use XDM/vtwm. I just want to have camera mounted so that I can then just copy the pictures over to my system.
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16:14<blarson>msan: Depends on the camera. Some you just hook up the USB cable and mount the drive (or have it automount).
16:14<amphi>msan: if it won't mount as a block device, gthumb may be able to 'import' the images
16:16<msan>blarson: its a Sony DSC-P52. I've got another Debian system with GNOME running on it where I just plug it in and it gets mounted and I can see the icon for it on my desktop.
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16:17<lupine_85>well, it'll show up as an sd* device in /dev then; so you can just mount it as usual
16:17<msan>blarson: How do I go about getting it automounted ? My USB thumb drive gets automounted just fine, I'd like the same thing to happen for my camera as well.
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16:19<msan>lupine_85: anyway to make that happen automatically through udev or something ?
16:19<lupine_85>you could write a udev script for it, I guess
16:19<alexoulu>hey lads a favour
16:19<lupine_85>or have it in fstab
16:19<alexoulu>do u know how to change the keyboard
16:19<lupine_85>(assuming you can rely on it always getting the same sd?? designation)
16:20<alexoulu>do u know how to change the keyboard keymaps?
16:20<lupine_85>alexoulu: in X or console?
16:20<alexoulu>in console or X
16:20<msan>ok, so that means there's got to be a udev script on my other box that does the automounting. hmmmmm
16:20<alexoulu>if u know... because i m using a US keyboard and is driving me crazy
16:20<lupine_85>meh. you have dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and console-tools to play with
16:20<lupine_85>have fun
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16:27<wuz>Hallo ich habe ein Problem mit debian es handelt sich um die gruppe admin. Könnte mir vielleicht jemand weiterhelfen?
16:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:28<wuz>good n8
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16:31<foug>does anyone have a logitech mx 610?
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16:42<foug>my torrents download really slow, can anyone help?
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16:43<amphi>give them a sound thrashing
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16:55<msan>When I plug my USB thumb drive into my laptop, the kernel seems to recognise it, but does not seem to mount it automatically.
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17:05<amphi>msan: look at dmesg to see what device it is (eg. /dev/sda1), and mount it
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17:07<msan>amphi, I'd like to have it automounted rather then manually mounting it.
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17:07<msan>I know that it can be automounted if I'm using GNOME/KDE.
17:08<msan>But I'd like to do that without GNOME/KDE.
17:08<amphi>I have no idea about automounters - I regard them as Evil(tm) ;)
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17:08<amphi>if I want something mounted, I'll mount it myself, thank you ;)
17:09<msan>I thougt it might be a hotplug thing, but the /etc/hotplug directory on my GNOME and my non-GNOME system is the same,
17:09<amphi>msan: no, it's probably some horrid daemon
17:09<msan>call me lazy, I just don't want to be su'ing to root to do it all the time.
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17:10<msan>amphi, which damned daemon !! that is the question ! :)
17:10<amphi>msan: I'm sure a bit of gooling for 'evil linux automount daemon' would turn something up
17:10<msan>that is just going to turn up stuff on automounter
17:10<amphi>msan: so add an entry to /etc/fstab to allow users to mount it; that's what I do here
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17:11<amphi>msan: then I just do (as $USER) 'mount /media/usb' or whatever
17:12<msan>How do you do that from /etc/fstab ?
17:12<msan>I didn't think you could have such control in /etc/fstab
17:12<kop>Why does my SATA drive's partion (sda1) have the wrong major/minor device numbers? (9,127) What can I do about it? It came back like this after reboot. Something went bad in udev....
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17:13<kop>msan: You can put mount options in fstab. There's a special one for allowing users to mount. It's in the man page.
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17:15<msan>amphi: found something with google and automounting USB devices. Will try that first.
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17:16<msan>kop: thanks I'll look at it.
17:17<alaya>does debian have any desktop-environment gui config system, similar to ubuntu's?
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17:17<alaya>oops, i meant desktop-environment independent system configuration gui tool
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17:20<lupine_85>debconf? :p
17:21<alaya>kde-guidance looks pretty good
17:21<alaya>i guess technically you don't need to be running kde to use it either
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17:22<alaya>just because he was asking about disk mounting earlier, and i know it can be easier with automounting via the gui config
17:22<alaya>i actually set up fstab entries for someone recently and it stopped automounting
17:23<ErJeDi>bye to all
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17:23<alaya>not that i think the subsystem which deals with automounting makes any sense
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17:29<alaya>hehe in kcontrol it has a tab for windows apps and asks to install wine. it says it will add the unsupported universe repository for me
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17:30<Supaplex>alaya: uh universe? not in debian.
17:30<alaya>no kidding
17:30<Supaplex>our egos aren't that big...
17:30<alaya>must be a feature imported from ubuntu back to debian
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17:30<alaya>i wonder what would happen though if i said yes
17:31<lupine_85>it would add "universe" to sources.list, according to a regex, then apt-get update for you
17:31<lupine_85>that's, um, about it
17:31<ben_goodger>that'll help :)
17:31<alaya>that's a problem.
17:31<ben_goodger>some sort of symlink is required
17:32<lupine_85>easily fixed, mind
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17:36<strefli3>How can I determine which program is using my soundcard?
17:36<alaya>lsof |grep snd or |grep dsp
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17:36<strefli3>alaya: Perfect, thanks
17:37<alaya>so: lsof |egrep "(snd|dsp)"
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17:37<simonrvn>egrep/grep -E FTW :)
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17:37<lupine_85>I, for one, welcome our new egrep overlords
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17:41<alaya>so why, when i put that line in a script, do i get a ton of other output, besides just the lsof stuff?
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17:42<alaya>all i did was but #!/bin/bash in front of it and ran it as a script
17:42<simonrvn>try ' instead of "
17:42<alaya>oh shoot. because the name of the script had snd in it
17:43<alaya>damn that is so stupid
17:43<simonrvn>happens, np
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17:43<alaya>but entertaining :-)
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18:38[~]Eomys pâtes-time
18:39<Vakio>swolf: hm?
18:39<swolf>sorry ich hab nur meinen puffer vom kvirc gelöscht und bin ausversehn mit der maus auf avartar benachrichtigen gekommen
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18:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
18:41<weggli>fuck off the german peaple
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18:42<stew>weggli: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
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18:48<Vakio>Oh yes, KVirc had some silly features like that.
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18:49<Scorpia>is there somebody here?
18:49<Scorpia>you know compiz?
18:50<Scorpia>is there something like compiz-fusion but then for debian etch
18:50<foug>compiz fusion should work for debian
18:50<stew>Scorpia: not officially
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18:51<foug>i don't see why it wouldn't, it's made for any linux distro i thought
18:51<Scorpia>yeah but it doesn't
18:51<foug>really? pretty dissappointing on debian's part, i'm thinking of switching to a different distro. Maybe Fedora, Gentoo or CentOS
18:52<Scorpia>no i kinda like debian :d
18:52<stew>foug: nobody has volunteered to maintain a compiz-fusion package for debian
18:52<foug>i liked ubuntu, apt-get owned.
18:52<foug>That's why i switched to debian
18:52<foug>stew, do you know what distro's support compiz?
18:53<stew>foug: debian does
18:53<lupine_85>that's about it
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18:53<Scorpia>debian sid
18:53<stew>debian stable does
18:53<Scorpia>yeah i installed it
18:54<Scorpia>but i didn't worked :)
18:54<lupine_85>cool, 0.2.2 in stable
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18:54<lupine_85>and sid as a whole isn't supported :p
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18:55<lupine_85>so they still haven't gotton compiz fusion packages out the door?
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18:57<stew>lupine_85: is anybody working on them even?
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18:58<lupine_85>I dunno; I quit maintaining the beryl .deb packaging about the same time they became fusion
18:59<lupine_85>some dude called shawn was looking into making packages, AIUI. If he's quit too, then that's some amazing churn
18:59<don_armstrong>well, it really takes someone who actually is using that window manager to do it
18:59<don_armstrong>if no one actually wants to create them, then that usually means that no developers or package maintainers actually use that window manager
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19:00<lupine_85>I'd imagine not many do, compared to beryl
19:00<foug>does beryl work correctly with debian>?
19:00<lupine_85>it did
19:01<dondelelcaro>foug: there's no reason why it shouldn't
19:01<foug>it's not in apt?
19:01<lupine_85>certainly, everything compiled in testing
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19:01<lupine_85>and everything but heliodor compiled in stable
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19:01<dondelelcaro>foug: right, because no one has packaged them
19:01<foug>can i use ubuntu repositories?
19:01<lupine_85>unofficial testing repo was at last I checked
19:01<lupine_85>which was many moons ago
19:02<dondelelcaro>foug: you'd be better off starting with the ubuntu package and compiling it against debian, but basically, yes.
19:02<lupine_85>hmm, that was pre-libc6 change though, IIRC
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19:03<lupine_85>hey, lol
19:03<lupine_85>still there
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19:04<foug>how can i get firefox in debian? not ice weasel, ice weasel isn't as flash supportive. I can't browse the wii website correctly
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19:04<weasel>iceweasel is firefox.
19:05<lupine_85>and they use exactly the same flash plugin
19:05<lupine_85>but w/e.
19:05<foug>yea that's what i hear but i have a lot of flash problems i never had in firefox
19:05<foug>the version of firefox in apt-get is just some renamer, which doesn't work
19:05<lupine_85>works fine here
19:05<lupine_85>(though I normally use konq.)
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19:17<weggli>stew: :D
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19:24<chealer>foug: if you mean just changing the user agent, change general.useragent...
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19:46<fancylad>does anybody know of a good way to recover data from a reformatted FAT partition?
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19:49<bzed>fancylad: for images use photorec from the testdisk packages. if there was more than images on the partition - no clue
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20:39<naudiz>Does Debian Etch support any WiMAX usb devices ?
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20:51<Eth1c>Has anyone here tried installing debian on a dell xps, and mistakenly deleted the utility partition and now cannot reformat windows?
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20:54<naudiz>Does Linux have support for a Verizon Wireless USB720 EVDO Rev A USB Modem ?
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20:54<supaman>hey, I just did a fresh install of lenny and because of the DHCP server here I could not connect to the net (they require logon through http) and so the netinstall was incomplete, is there an easy way to tell the system to finish the install the netinstall cd started but did not finish because of no net connection?
20:54<supaman>or do I just have to pick in the packages one by one?
20:56<patricio>you can skip to the one you want......can't you?
20:56<patricio>each part of install......I mean
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20:56<supaman>patricio: well, I am out of the install program and have booted into the system (else I wouldnt have any net connection)
20:57<patricio>supaman: what r u missing?
20:57<supaman>patricio: for instance X
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20:58<supaman>patricio: and install xserver-xorg did not help in that matter
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20:59<patricio>supaman: that's a bummer.....
20:59<supaman>patricio: when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I answere all the questions but when it finishes it exits with an error and I have an empty xorg.conf file
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21:00<patricio>supaman: 'thinking'
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21:00<matthewpoer>Does anyone here use la/tex stuff for MLA-formatted papers/essays/reports? especially for school?
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21:00<patricio>supaman: whats the error?
21:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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21:01<supaman>patricio: mmm ... havnt got it up at the moment
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21:01<patricio>supaman: got lynx?
21:02<naudiz>Will EV-DO wireless USB modems work with Debian ? I heard linux recognizes the devices as simple ppp modems
21:02<supaman>patricio: yup
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21:02<patricio>supaman: try that.....
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21:07<vlad_pt>hi there
21:07<supaman>hmm .. how does one set the default-x-server so dexconf can do its stuff?
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21:08<vlad_pt>can someone help with wifi cnnction plz?
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21:12<naudiz>What EV-DO USB modems have linux support besides the Franklin CDU-680 ?
21:12<NetLSD>anyone come across a problem with an ATI X1650 not working with X? I'm getting a connection reset by peer saying no matching device but lspci shows the device that's the same as BusID is
21:12<vlad_pt>are there anyone alive..
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21:18<supaman>goll darn it ... just got bitten by bug 443004
21:19<dondelelcaro>!dbug 443004
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21:24<Supaplex>!bite bug#443004
21:24[~]dpkg takes a big bite out of bug#443004's jugular vein
21:25<Supaplex>ouuuu that's gonna make a big mess.
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23:13<Yoyoma2>Hey all, i have a debian server and a windows machine. I want to run x programs on my windows box from my X server. Runnind debian etch. I have putty working and xforwarding in ssh config turned on. What is my next step?
23:13<Yoyoma2>OMG nevermind it worked! YEEE!!!!
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23:28<Yoyoma2_>Hey all, i have a putty X server connection, i want to view my x window programs on my window pc, is there a software that allows me to do that? thanks.
23:28<silent>hey guys, just wondering how I can click-drag files in X that will give me options for either copying or moving
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23:34<dli>nautilus should support dragging
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23:35<sindrake>hi is anyone in here?
23:36<Supaplex>we're all bots
23:36<sindrake>im lost and need help can you suggest a website?
23:37<sindrake>i just installed debian and it wont let me login as root
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23:37<dli>sindrake, password problem?
23:38<sindrake>no i need to install a graphics chip and wont let me login as root,. it says administrator cant login from this screen but i cant get just the terminal to come up
23:38<sindrake>my screen res is all screwy
23:38<dli>sindrake, Ctl-Alt-F1
23:38<anibal>don_arms1rong, dpkg looks unresponsive
23:39<LeoSebas>Hey guys, hi! you know how clone users in Lenny, I want the new users have equal configurations, wallpapers and programs, groups etc.. Help me thanks
23:39<anibal>dondelelcaro, dpkg looks unresponsive
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23:50<dondelelcaro>dpkg: status
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23:51<dondelelcaro>dpkg: status
23:51<dpkg>Since Sun Oct 7 04:50:45 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 17s this session, and currently reference 37655 factoids. I'm using about 15340 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.16/0.11 child 0/0
23:51<dondelelcaro>anibal: thanks
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23:54<manu>hoe upgrade ubuntu 5.01?
23:54<manu>how upgrade ubuntu 501?
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23:55<manu>repositories are out
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