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00:38<silent>hey guys, I'm wondering what the best package to set up my printing through a dlink printserver would be... I've done it before but have since forgotten
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00:45<dondelelcaro>silent: cups or lprng should be able to do it
00:45<silent>dondelelcaro, do I get cups server or client?
00:45<dondelelcaro>silent: the dlink should be capable of taking ps on the lpr port and doing whatever needs to be done to it
00:45<silent>dondelelcaro, that's exactly what I do
00:46<silent>dondelelcaro, just pass it the lpr port
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00:48<dondelelcaro>silent: you'd need the cupsys package if you're using cups, or lprng if you're using lprng
00:48<silent>dondelelcaro, I see cups has a driver available for my printer, would it be the wiser choice? seems like it has more google hits
00:50<dondelelcaro>up to you; either way will work
00:50<dondelelcaro>well, either way should work
00:51<silent>dondelelcaro, how do I configure cups
00:51<dpkg>hmm... cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup
00:52<ryandr79>hello all.. first off, I hope this is simple and completely n00b. I have been trying to install debian on a couple machines - asus p5kc based and sis651/962. I have trouble with the modules it seems, I never can get to the partition disks steps, nor complete the network step, I even see my net controller in the kmsg. Last time I worked on debian was potato and woody, I wonder where I am going wrong. Any ideas?
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00:55<ryandr79>please let me know if I am in the correct channel. ;)
00:56<soberon>Hi... How can I to confirm that my swap is working?
00:56<silent>dondelelcaro, I'm assuming the address is the IP, is the socket the lpr port?
00:56<dondelelcaro>soberon: free; cat /proc/swaps; etc.
00:56<silent>I need socket://address
00:56<dondelelcaro>soberon: yeah, it hsould be
00:57<dondelelcaro>ryandr79: which installer are you using?
00:57<soberon>Thanks a lot Silent... so, if it is working What I must see?
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00:58<james_>hows it going yall
00:58<silent>dondelelcaro, bad device-uri
00:58<silent>Have the port and address correct
00:58<silent>device is on and networked
00:58<dondelelcaro>soberon: if you see any entries there it should be
00:58<ryandr79>donelelcaro: expert - text installer - iso-cd (lenny and etch i386)
00:59<dondelelcaro>ryandr79: are you using the lenny nightlies?
00:59<soberon>OK... Thanks again
00:59<dondelelcaro>(or whatever the development d-i versions are now)
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01:00<ryandr79>dondelelcaro: not always (oh and on the p5kc machine -- amd64)
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01:01<ryandr79>dondelelcaro: right now I have the oct1-testing cd
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01:02<silent>dondelelcaro, I guessed at a few of the methods of typing in the address/port
01:03<silent>found one that works, I'm printing
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01:11<test1>hi, is somewhere any irc chat room for mplayer software ?
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01:12<ryandr79>not me, sorry
01:13<gsimmons>test1: Try #mplayer on freenode.
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01:14<ryandr79>gsimmons: any chance you could advise me on the installer?
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01:16<hudanetcafe__>3ZE COOL
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01:20<ryandr79>installer help anyone? :)
01:20<nostalgia>Greeting Folks
01:21<ryandr79>hello there
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01:33<alaya>just ask your question
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01:34<silent>how might I add the shutdown ability to the desktop menu?
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01:35<jhonny23>i have a pc on which I can't install debian, the installer fails
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01:37<jhonny23>the problem is that the motherboard, a asus p5k se, has a marvell 88SE6111 which is not supported by the version of the kernel in the testing netinst
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01:38<ryandr79>Hello everyone!
01:38<jhonny23>I don't know if there is any version of the kernel that support it
01:38<jhonny23>marvell has a linux driver for that but it's nnot compiled for debian
01:39<jhonny23>would anybody who has the kernel sources installed compile it for me so that I can load with the installer?
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01:40<jhonny23>^that's the link to the driver
01:41<ryandr79>I am having trouble with the new debian installer (yes, took a break in 2003) I see my network hardware in kmsg but the installer chokes at that step. Also, I never see the partitioning step. I am trying to use a sis651/962 chipset board. Anyone have any suggestions?
01:41<jhonny23>I don't have any other i386 pc and I don't know how to cross compile :|
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01:44<^futuro>ciao a uttti
01:44<^futuro>vorrei sapere se il mio hardware è supportato da debian
01:45<^futuro>Mobile Pentium II 300Mhz 128 ram Sv Video NeoMagic
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01:45<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
01:45<^futuro>Audio CS4232
01:45<simonrvn>take care
01:46<simonrvn>good luck
01:46<^futuro>I would know
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01:46<^futuro>if my system
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01:50<alaya>snd-cs46xx i think
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01:52<alaya>Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt in kernel docs
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01:54<^futuro>in ubuntu my hardware works well
01:54<alaya>!tell ^futuro about alsa-checklist
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02:00<hachi>does debian have a relatively standard way of auto-mounting specific removable (usb?) devices?
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02:01<alaya>i know that kde and gnome both have settings for them
02:02<hachi>how about outside of X11
02:02<alaya>kcontrol -> Disk & Filesystems
02:02<alaya>for automounting i don't know. you can add stuff to fstab but then need to manually mount when drive attached.
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02:03<alaya>i think there's a way to get hal/udev to do it
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02:03<alaya>try google for: hal udev debian automount hit #1
02:03<hachi>I can't evne figure out how to get hal to stop scanning my cdrom drive
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02:04<hachi>powertop tells me to set some flag, and I don't have a clue how to, nor does google
02:05<hachi>hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0
02:05<hachi>but no such command exists on debian
02:06<hachi>oh wait, yeah it does
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02:06<hachi>but I don't know how to make it permanent
02:07<alaya>i just gave you the link
02:07<hachi>I'm reading that link, it has nothing to do with the thing I'm talking about now
02:08<xolve>how to run javascript of the form javascript: ... in koqueror
02:08<alaya>"How to automount USB pendrive and CD/DVD without desktop environment (gnome, KDE etc) to the specified mount point, using udev/HAL/D-BUS ?"
02:08<hachi>it does solve my first problem, thank you for that
02:08<hachi>but I'm now talking about device polling of my cdrom drive
02:08<hachi>I want to make it turn off permanently
02:10<hachi>bleh, pinniped on that page doesn't know about -o sync
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02:12<alaya>man hal-disable-polling
02:12<alaya>to bad they don't use a file like fstab where you can just tell it what to do!
02:13<alaya>i actually found it easier to use the kde gui than messing with hal internal stuff, which is pretty sad
02:14<hachi>that's good for people who have X11
02:14<alaya>personally, i think its bad all around. its just a bad way of working.
02:15<alaya>editing a config file should be more straightforward than gui stuff for making a system to what you want, IMHO
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02:16<alaya>now people are going to start having to rely on gui config stuff because the backend is poorly documented, constantly changing, and/or obscure
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02:16<hachi>it's always been this way in OSS
02:17<alaya>just because of the advent of usb key drives, we decide to ditch fstab? seems wrong to me. </pontification>
02:17<hachi>I'm not ditching fstab... I'm putting an entry in fstab
02:17<hachi>and when the right device appears I'll call mount
02:17<hachi>when the device disappears, I'll call unmount
02:18<alaya>yeah, in other words just forget the automount "feature" and its headaches, because in the end it isn't worth it
02:18<hachi>no, I mean... I'll make the automount call mount and umount
02:18<hachi>the settings will be in fstab
02:18<alaya>i see
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02:20<hachi>I'm hoping that udev can fire events on detach, otherwise -o sync is useless
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02:21<alaya>i think you have to manually umount
02:21<alaya>doesn't -o sync just mean that it gets synced right away, not on umount?
02:21<alaya>but you still have to issue umount
02:21<hachi>the hardware is just fine with hot-detach
02:22<hachi>I'll find a way
02:22<alaya>i guess as long as it wasn't in the middle of syncing
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02:22<hachi>well, with -o sync you are pretty aware of it being in the middle of syncing
02:23<hachi>you usually have an app or something running and showing some sort of progress, or lack there of
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02:28<alaya>check out the usbmount package
02:30<alaya>just reading a thread where they mention that mounting flash units with sync option can shorten the lifetime
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03:29<nomeata>sorry, that went wrong.
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03:33<chen>hello guys
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03:40<dude>hello, where can i get VLC i'm using lenny
03:41<Vakio>dude: install the package "vlc".
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03:41<Eulex>dude, I currently run vlc from unstable; vlc isn't available in testing currently (as you probably noticed).
03:42<Vakio>Oh. So it seems.
03:42<mildner>hello, how can I acces 32bit drives am using lenny 64?
03:42<Eulex>mildner, 32bit drives?
03:42<dude>Eulex, u use vlc from sid?
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03:42<mildner>old HD I used with I86
03:43<Eulex>dude, yes. I can't guarantee it to work for you, and I can't recommend it to you either. but it works for me.
03:43<Eulex>mildner, put it into your box; mount it?
03:43<dude>Eulex, i think i tried that once i get dependency issue's
03:44<Eulex>dude, right, you'll have to resolve those manually. download the right .debs, dpkg -i them.
03:44<Eulex>dude, and _do not_ add unstable sources to sources.list if you don't know exactly what you're doing-
03:44<mildner>Eulex, here ist the result--->Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy.
03:45<njende_>Hi there, has anyone of you got an idea where I may find an d-i with a 2.6.34kernel?
03:45<Eulex>mildner, so you're trying to mount it through gnome/kde/xfce? are you in the plugdev group? also, you should be able to mount it through the terminal as root and there should be no problem.
03:45<njende_>2.6.34 => 2.6.23
03:46<Eulex>njende_, 2.6.21 won't do?
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03:46<mildner>oh thanks
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03:46<njende_>thats the one which comes with the actual testing cd, right. Nope the 2.6.21 wont do - due to the NIC which is built-in in my notebook
03:47<Eulex>njende_, can you temporarily use another nic? use wired instead of wireless (if you're using wireless) or get a pcmcia card and plug it in?
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03:47<cahoot>2.6.23 isn't even released yet
03:48<njende_>cahoot: well, I know that, but I thought maybe one of you has built himself, due to hardware issues an d-i with this kernel
03:48<Eulex>njende_, out of curiousity, what nic is this?
03:49<njende_>cahoot: Euley: basically here is my lspci -n It is a RTL Gigabit which should work with the 8139cp module, but it doesnt.
03:50<cahoot>in a laptop?
03:50<njende_>and that is dmesg
03:50<njende_>cahoot: ups, nope that is the desktop system...but both are pretty much the same and both are not likely supported with the latest testing cd
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03:51<Eulex>I doubt that a desktop and a laptop are 'pretty much the same'
03:51<Eulex>in any case, that dmesg looks fine.
03:52<njende_>Eulex: yep, but once it comes to detect my SATA...its over
03:52<Eulex>njende_, that's a completely unrelated issue to the nic problem.
03:52<njende_>I started the d-i in several modis, but it didnt get recognized at all
03:54<Eulex>in any case, why do you think 2.6.13 will solve your problems?
03:55<cahoot>njende_: is it some exotic controller like jmicron?
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03:56<njende_>Eulex: 2.6.23 hast got i.e. the 8139too module in it, which is, as far as I got told, the one which really will supoort my NIC. On top of that the 2.6.23 comes with a more bugfree sis190 module. As said: I got told that I should go for the 2.6.23 kernel
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03:56<njende_>and the 2.6.23 should have a module in it which has a better support for the ATI SATA Controllers
03:57<Eulex>which of the computers are we talking about now? the laptop or the desktop?
03:58<cahoot>njende_: seems you'll have to do some work , can this be of use?
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03:58<Eulex>also, afaik 8139too is only for ancient 8139 chips.
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04:02<njende_>cahoot: that's - to be honest - truely some work, but I'm not as yet that far, I suppose.
04:02<tinctorius>My GNOME is fuck'd. Whenever I start GNOME, it hangs before the point it shows it's splash screen.
04:02<tinctorius>it seems gnome-settings-daemon is hanging
04:02<tinctorius>because xrdb (child process of g-s-d) is defunct
04:02<tinctorius>does anybody have any pointers on this?
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04:04<njende_>Eulex: so, I got told re the 8139 nonsense...
04:04<njende_>cahoot: is there any other way to get at least one machine running?
04:06<Eulex>njende_, a box sure can be running and working well without a working nic. but you still haven't told us what nic the laptop has.
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04:08<njende_>Eulex: lspci | grep Ethernet says:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02)
04:09<njende_>the SATA COntroller is that one: 00:05.0 IDE Interface Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SATA - Controller / IDE mode (rev 03)
04:10[~]Supaplex squirms over sis
04:10<njende_>Supaplex: what means *squirms* ?
04:12<Eulex>njende_, the sis190 module in 2.6.21 doesn't work at all for you?
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04:13<njende_>Eulex: nope...unfortunately
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04:16<Eulex>njende_, would a 2.6.22 do?
04:16<N1ghtCrawler>hello, I have set up a proftpdftp server, but when i log on with any user but anonymus i get access to the whole system, how do I prevent that? I want the user to only get access to a specific directory.
04:16<njende_>Eulex: probably yes.
04:17<Eulex>njende_, you could install the debian base system using the netinst, then burn a .deb of a 2.6.22 kernel from unstable to a cd and dpkg -i it
04:17<tinctorius>why won't gnome-sound-properties and anything related to audio start?
04:17<Eulex>njende_, in any case, I can't find any evidence of many changes in the sis190 module in either 2.6.22 or 2.6.23
04:18<Eulex>njende_, actually, only change I found evidence for was a change that "sis190 check for ISA bridge on SiS966" that was introduced in 2.6.23-rc3.
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04:21<njende_>Eulex: if only I could install a base system. On my Desktop it fails to install a base system, as the SATA Controller wont be recognized.
04:21<njende_>The Notebook fails as the NIC is not getting recognized
04:22<njende_>Thats why some told me to try a 2.6.23rc9 Kernel from i.e. here
04:22<Eulex>you will be able to install a base system even though the nic is not recognized
04:23<Eulex>njende_, oh, great, get a base system installed, transfer one of those kernels to the system (cd, usb stick etc) and dpkg -i it
04:23<mildner>Eulex, are you still there?
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04:23<Eulex>mildner, eh. yes.
04:24<mildner>please just 2 questions.....
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04:24<chen>?? did it chat channel ?
04:24<chen>I had been told that the rtfm
04:25<chen>thus,now I couldnt find any thing to ask
04:25<mildner>1. how do I mount the hard drive in the terminal and 2. I guess there is a way to upgrade Lenny or any other Debian version without formating the whole disk
04:25<chen> can man mount
04:26<chen>or check by a book
04:26<Eulex>mildner, (1) man mount, (2) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, but define 'upgrade'
04:26<Eulex>mildner, also, if the disk is always present, it is possible to have it mounted automatically on boot. man fstab.
04:27<chen>on /etc/fstab
04:27<chen>eamcs /etc/fstab
04:27<njende_>Eulex: well, comes the d-i for lenny not with a 2.6.21 or later kernel? I'm quite surprised that the d-i for lenny comes still with a 2.6.18 kernel
04:27<mildner>Eulex, the disk is a second and always there I planed to mount it and after copiing the data formate it to 64bit aswell
04:28<njende_>or did I miss a kernel-boot-option
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04:28<Eulex>njende_, I don't know. in any case, lenny isn't released yet. installing lenny directly is on your own risk.
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04:28<Eulex>mildner, hmm, odd, there's no man fstab. look around on the net, or take a look in /etc/fstab to try to figure it out yourself.
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04:29<Eulex>njende_, there's no guarantee that the lenny installer will be 'ready' and uptodate until lenny is released.
04:29<njende_>Eulex: I know that ... and to be honest ... these are the first tow machines with which I'm having dramas
04:30<N1ghtCrawler>hello, I have set up a proftpdftp server, but when i log on with any user but anonymus i get access to the whole system, how do I prevent that? I want the user to only get access to a specific directory.
04:31<Eulex>njende_, in any case, for the base system: find out what sata chipset it has, check if newer kernels have better support for it, create a custom d-i that has the kernel that supports it. for the laptop: install the base system, get a kernel onto it that supports your nic.
04:31<Eulex>*for the desktop system
04:32<chen>but if i am now in the virtual pc ,how can i mount the host pc's hard disk ?
04:33<N1ghtCrawler>chen what viritualizasion software?
04:33<Eulex>chen, you probably need to use nfs or sshfs or something like that.
04:33<chen>emmmm Microsoft Virtual pc
04:34<Eulex>chen, heh. setting up an ftp server on the host pc is probably what you'll need, if the virtualization software doesn't provide any special feature that enabled you to access the host pc's hdd directly.
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04:35<Eulex>chen, oh, and perhaps samba
04:35<chen>ahhhhhhhhhhhh,goood idea
04:35<N1ghtCrawler>in vmware you can add your host disk when you add hardware to the viritual pc
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04:37<N1ghtCrawler>well, does someone have a good sulution to my proftpd problem?
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04:41<Norris>are you german?
04:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
04:41<Jocker>I'm Egyption
04:41<Norris>oh :-D
04:42<Jocker>how about you?
04:42<Norris>im from german
04:42<Jocker>I was born in germany
04:42<Jocker>I staed 4 years there in Bremen
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04:43<azeem>do you guys have a Debian question?
04:43<Jocker>eventhough I cann't talk to u 1 sentence in german :d
04:43<Norris>say it
04:44<Jocker>no I mean I can not :D my german is too bad
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04:44<Norris>ohh sry
04:44<Jocker>spr4echen sie duetch?
04:45<chen>- -!
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04:45<Jocker>I can only speek english and arabic
04:45<chen>! - -
04:45<Jocker>how about u?
04:46<chen>I can only speak e and putong
04:46<Norris>what? putong where are you from
04:46<chen>I am from guangdong
04:46<Jocker>Where is putong?
04:47<Norris>wheres this?^^
04:47<Jocker>looks like an asian name?
04:47<chen>putong is a language
04:47<chen>a kind of lanuage
04:47<dli>this is an english only channel :(
04:47<Jocker>and where is guajgdong?
04:48<Jocker>guangdong *
04:48<chen>guangdong is in asian
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04:48<Norris>ahh okya
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04:49<Jocker>I think asian languages are quite hard to learn
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04:49<chen>yeah ,~ it is by sea
04:50<chen>and i eat fish every day
04:50<chen>all kinds of filsh
04:50<chen>fish *
04:50<Jocker>I like fish
04:50<Norris>i too
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04:51<Jocker>I like it grilled :)
04:51<Norris>i?m WINDOWS KILLER Hehehhh :-D
04:51<azeem>Jocker, Norris, chen: This is a support channel. If you want to discuss off-topic things, please move that elsewhere after a while
04:52<Jocker>guys, I think we should move to another channel
04:52<Jocker>sorry azeem
04:52<Norris>where server
04:52<Jocker>well I'm new to this,
04:52<Jocker>which channel?
04:52<Norris>yes sry
04:53<azeem>Jocker: you can make up your own; /join #jocker-norris-chen e.g.
04:53<Jocker>okaym Norris and Chen would u join ?
04:54<Norris>do this
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04:54<Jocker>right click the link and join I think
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04:54<chen>u make it and i would join later
04:55<Jocker>it is already been created, right azeem?
04:55<Norris>i cant change
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04:56<Jocker>try right click on the link azeem had provide and choose Join
04:56<Jocker>it chould appear in the buttom tabs
04:56<Jocker>azeem Jocker: you can make up your own; /join #jocker-norris-chen e.g.
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04:57<Jocker>Norris are u there?
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04:59<I_beginner>hello , people.
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05:00<N1ghtCrawler>hello, I have set up a proftpdftp server, but when i log on with any user but anonymus i get access to the whole system, how do I prevent that? I want the user to only get access to a specific directory.
05:01<azeem>N1ghtCrawler: the keyword is chroot
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05:03<N1ghtCrawler>thanks azeem and dli i was thinking about somthing like that but i did not knew how to do it
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05:30<chen>good evening
05:30<chen>It is now 6:300 pm
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05:35<MrNaz>6:300 hey
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05:39<torrr>who can I find out which program use which screen ?
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05:48<lupine_85>torrr: ps aux lists the vt a program is on
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05:50<torrr>lupine_85, how does it look on ps aux?
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05:51<w00ter>Hi, i have my servers in SNMP monitoring. Now i would also like to be able to monitor my CPU temp, and i've heard thats possible too with SNMP. From what i've read, i need a special MIB so i can tell the monitoring to read it out. Now the big question comes, does anyone know how i find out this 'MIB' so i can monitor my cpu temp ?
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05:53<torrr>root 23671 0.0 0.0 3952 1812 pts/11 S 12:27 0:00 bash
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05:53<torrr>lupine_85, which is the screen number?
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06:05<lupine_85>w00ter: the 'mib' is a file that tells the snmp client what to ask from the snmp server. first you need to know if your snmp server has the data available. libsnmp-base is chock full of mibs
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06:05<lupine_85>you can use snmpwalk to check what the server supports, IIRC
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06:07<w00ter>lupine_85 - tnx for the advice, looking into it
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06:12<N1ghtCrawler>does a user need a loginshell to get ftp access?
06:13<jahshua>usually yes ..
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06:13<N1ghtCrawler>that explain things for me
06:14<N1ghtCrawler>i was thinking of getting it mor secure by don't let the ftp users get a shell.
06:15<Myon>N1ghtCrawler: vi /etc/shells
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06:17<N1ghtCrawler>Myon what should i do there? add /bin/false? :P
06:17<Myon>no, invent something else
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06:22<lupine_85>no, /bin/false would work fine
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06:31<N1ghtCrawler>./bin/false worked out fine :)
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06:43<radoo>my joy was short- i was able to install the nvidia drivers with the nvidia installer,and everything works fine...except that just for one time i restart the system i only get a black screen
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06:44<lupine_85>radoo: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
06:44<lupine_85>oh, the installer
06:44<lupine_85>well, first remove any nvidia driver packages installed via apt
06:44<radoo>and for that session it works great...but only for that session...
06:44<Uruclef>on debian, you shouldn't install nvidia drivers using the installar
06:45<lupine_85>then disable anything with the word nvidia in, in /etc/rc2.d
06:45<lupine_85>then reinstall the drivers
06:45<lupine_85>Uruclef: stable + 8800 IIRC
06:45<lupine_85>but yeah, backporting the unstable kernel + drivers could be less hassle
06:45<radoo>no unstable in the mean time..lenny/sid
06:46<Uruclef>lupine_85, now I understand :D
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06:46<radoo>how to disable everythign in /etc/rc2.d? delete?
06:47<lupine_85>not everything
06:47<radoo>i mean nvidia things...
06:47<lupine_85>yeah, they're just symlinks so you can delete them
06:47<lupine_85>e.g. S20nvidia-kernel
06:48<lupine_85>oh, and sometimes the installer puts essential files (libglx and nvidia_drv) in /usr/X11/* rather than /usr/*
06:49<lupine_85>if that happens to you, just symlink them to the right place
06:49<radoo>ok...can the problem be caused by the fact that nvidia installer complains that the compiler used for the headers isn't the same with the current copiler?i just ignored that warning- cause nvidia installer wound't accept export CC=gcc-4.1..
06:49<lupine_85>if the kernel module loads once, it'll load again
06:51<radoo> meant i should uninstall everything i got via apt-get prior to deleting those links in /etc/rc2.d ...apt-get remove nvidia should do it?or better use synaptic?
06:52<lupine_85>nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-<version>, nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings
06:52<lupine_85>that should be all of them IIRC
06:52<radoo>oh...nvidia glx too? i think i have also a load module in xorg.conf related to that glx module...remove that entry too?
06:53<lupine_85>no, the driver installs glx too
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06:53<radoo>i see..thank you :)
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06:58<Weggli>hi al
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07:02<dude>hello, i 'am running a 32 bit chroot "sid" ,so that i can use vlc .i'am using etch amd64, and i get an error
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07:03<dude>sorry rephrase i'am using lenny
07:03<valdyn> dude what's wrong with the 64-bit vlc?
07:03<dude>valdyn, sorry i'am using lenny*
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07:04<leoz>yeah, etch-lenny hybrid here and 64bit VLC runs just fine
07:04<lupine_85>well, those are all warnings, not errors...
07:04<valdyn>dude: you're using lenny sure, 32-bit lenny?
07:04<valdyn>dude: obviously there's no murrine theme installed on that 32-bit sid chroot
07:04<dude>i have a sid i386 chroot, but my system is lenny
07:04<leoz>and what he said. warnings won't stop you from using a program
07:05<valdyn>dude: and obviously you haven't configured locales properly in that chroot
07:05<valdyn>dude: both issues are not fatal for vlc though
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07:05<dude>valdyn, hmm okay,
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07:07<leoz>come to think about it, i have a doubt...
07:07<leoz>does the 2.6.22 kernel branch count as unstable?
07:07<valdyn>leoz: no
07:08<leoz>glad to hear that. i installed that one right away and wasn't sure if it was a good idea
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07:08<lupine_85>course it is. it's in the unstable repository
07:08<lupine_85>that said, the kernel is usually the first thing to be fixed
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07:09<dude>yey it works
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07:09<leoz>problem is, i can't get the latest versions because i need the linux-libc-dev packages
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07:09<lupine_85>not need
07:09<leoz>but i can't figure out how to compile those, so i'm stuck with the ones found on sid
07:09<lupine_85>it's recommended
07:10<lupine_85>(aptitude will pull them in automagically, apt-get won't)
07:10<leoz>for some things i necessarily had to have them
07:10<lupine_85>true, but not for a precompiled kernel you don't
07:10<leoz>running a custom one
07:10<lupine_85>ah. completely different issue then
07:11<leoz>stock etch has both wireless and audio disabled for my rig, so i have to recompile it
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07:12<leoz>that one package was the only real issue anyway, but until i can figure out how to compile it i need to stick to latest sid
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07:15<valdyn>leoz: why would you need linux-libc-dev ?
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07:16<radoo>hi again!
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07:16<leoz>well, i needed to have it for some libs which wouldn't install otherwise
07:17<chen>boo shit
07:17<leoz>although, truth be told, i didn't have to install them again, because they were parts of mesa libs that i don't use now
07:17<radoo>lupine 85, i made what you told me- the installer complained this time it can't create some files or directories like /usr/lib/nvidia/ worked though, i mean x started but again until the next reboot
07:18<valdyn>leoz: apt-get -b source linux-libc-dev ( though i dont understand why you would need to build that package as that would imply that you need to build libc6 too )
07:18<valdyn>leoz: and that would be totally backwards.
07:18<leoz>ah, so it's built through libc6 then
07:19<valdyn>leoz: no, libc6 is built through it
07:19<leoz>i understand. that's only used to get a prepackage source tho', right?
07:19<lupine_85>linux-libc-dev is a binary package full of headers
07:19<lupine_85>you don't compile headers
07:20<valdyn>leoz: linux-libc6-dev is the foundation headers for the whole system
07:20<valdyn>leoz: err, linux-libc-dev
07:20<valdyn>leoz: _having_ to rebuild those implies having to rebuild the whole fucking system. You hardly have to rebuild those.
07:20<radoo>do you have other idea why this is going so bad?
07:20<lupine_85>this is where having a custom kernel really comes into it's own :p
07:20<valdyn>unless you're on gentoo ;)
07:21<leoz>hm. so in other words i'm better off getting the prepackaged ones, right? :D
07:21<lupine_85>totally. install unstable's stock kernel
07:21<valdyn>i think you're confused really
07:21<chen>excuse me ,if i delete the lib,what will happen?
07:21<leoz>nah, my mind is quite clear on this matter now
07:21<valdyn>leoz: its a little faster, and the point is that you do not have to rebuild linux-libc-dev
07:21<leoz>i was basically wondering where that package came out of
07:22<valdyn>leoz: comes out of a kernel
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07:22<leoz>which i usually need to recompile from scratch anyway
07:22<leoz>thanks a lot for the precious info :)
07:24<radoo>you know, i think i'll write nvidia a love letter...really. this is outrageous.i don't have the time to try a week installing a broken driver
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07:24<leoz>i agree, their drivers are way too rickety for comfort
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07:25<leoz>it's a miracle i even got the previous version working without problems.
07:25<leoz>you might as well cling to that one until further testing is done
07:27<radoo>isn't here anybody with a nvidia 8800 gt familly?
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07:27<leoz>6150 here
07:27<valdyn>radoo: nvidia stuff works perfectly fine, provided you do not mix debians nvidia packages and nvidias installer. YOu did so, you get to keep the pieces
07:28<radoo>i presume that works with the nv driver...i need something that works with the nvidia original ones
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07:28<radoo>valdyn, but now i uninstalled the other stuff...why still aren't they working properly?
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07:29<valdyn>radoo: because that 'uninstalling' does not respect debian files
07:29<valdyn>radoo: you're randomly overwriting when installing and removing when uninstalling debian owned files
07:30<radoo>what do you mean? should i go for a fresh debian installation?
07:30<valdyn>radoo: its possibly the easy solution yes
07:30<radoo>man o meter...
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07:30<valdyn>radoo: you would only have to fix a few files, but finding those isn't that trivial
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07:31<quitte>hi. is ther a way a user can chown a file to a different user?
07:31<radoo>i am not sure i can't make the whole proccess of gething the kernel-headers and everything is needed for the installer again
07:31<valdyn>quitte: no
07:31<valdyn>radoo: that's in the faq
07:31<quitte>valdyn: wasn't that possible some years ago?
07:31<valdyn>quitte: no
07:32<quitte>why is chown in /bin then?
07:32<radoo>ok, thank you for support :) see you
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07:39<boris__>Hallo, ich versuche Samba auf Debian Etch zu betreiben. Installiert und die Deamons gestartet hab ich schon. SWAT läuft auch. Nun hab ich eine Freigabe "test" erstellt und "guest ok = yes" eingestellt. Wenn ich jetzt auf die Freigabe zugreifen will, fragt er mich trotzdem nach einem Benutzernamen und kein debian account funktioniert... was mach ich falsch?
07:39<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:39<quitte>from :you can do this only if you are the root user or the owner of the file.
07:40<boris__>oh, sorrry :P
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07:53<dpkg>i guess chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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08:00<Risjh>the wireless problem i had still exists :/ and i cant seem to be able to fix the tapping problem yet, on my Dell Latitude D520 laptop
08:00<Risjh>tapping doesn't work, i dunno why
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08:01<lupine_85>Risjh: you turn the card 90' horizontally. how hard can it be? ;)
08:01<Risjh>what do you mean?
08:02<lupine_85>it's a bad joke
08:02<Risjh>ah :P
08:02<lupine_85>google suggests that people are using ndiswrapper for your wireless card...
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08:03<lupine_85> , for instance
08:03<Risjh>google also suggested ipw3945 :(
08:03<lupine_85>yeah, but google can't read your system
08:04<thomasbl>sure? :P
08:04<thomasbl>nobody knows it really ;P
08:05<Risjh>hehe, lupine_85 you think i should try with ndiswrapper, what do i need to do before that? modprobe -r bcm43xx and ipw3945?
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08:05<thomasbl>RichiH: yep.
08:06<lupine_85>Risjh: the link I gave you is a fairly brute-force way of doing it all
08:07<Risjh>thanks lupine_85 am gonna try it
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08:08<Risjh>btw, i installed debian using the netinst cd, and while apt-getting certain things, it asks me to insert the netisnt cd and press enter to continue, why is that?
08:08<lupine_85>because the netinst cd is in your sources.list
08:08<lupine_85>remove it, and you're done
08:08<Risjh>ok thanks
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08:15<Risjh>lupine_85, any idea about the tapping part? should i paste my synclient -l ?
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08:15<lupine_85>I don't have a clue what it is
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08:16<Tjerk>Hi there!
08:16<Risjh>synclient? i suppose its a tool for configuring touchpad
08:16<Risjh>like ksynaptics in kde
08:17<dli>Risjh, better, modify your xorg.conf
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08:17<Tjerk>Well, I've installed webmin but when I install apt-get install cupsys, webmin said "cups printing... is not installed"
08:17<Risjh>dli, should i paste it instead? i am unsure as to why it wont work
08:18<dpkg>i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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08:18<dli>Risjh, my xorg.conf, with some tweaking for touchpad:
08:18<nikon>hi. i have some problems with X . if i try to start X it says: Fatal server error: no screens found
08:19<lupine_85>Tjerk: http://localhost:631/ for configuring cups
08:19<dli>nikon, what's your video card? lspci |grep -i vga
08:19<Risjh>the xorg.conf
08:20<Tjerk>lupine_85 >> I get a 404 page :S
08:20<nikon>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0421 (rev a1)
08:20<dli>!tell nikon about nvidia
08:21<lupine_85>Tjerk: sounds like cups isn't running then?
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08:22<Tjerk>I think so ,, but how can i start cups,,
08:22<dli>Tjerk, apt-get install cupsys
08:22<Tjerk>i've done that
08:23<dli>Tjerk, /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
08:24<Tjerk>Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd.
08:25<Tjerk>404 :(
08:25<lupine_85>can you configure it using kcontrol or the gnome equivalent?
08:26<Risjh>dli, your device is /dev/input/event4 and mine is /dev/psaux should i change it to match yours?
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08:26<dli>Risjh, better to use events, however, you have to figure out which one is touchpad
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08:27<Risjh>i copied the rest, i need to restart X for the changes to take effect?
08:27<dli>Risjh, simplest way, "cat /dev/input/event1 ", then, touch the touchpad, if it's the one, you would see junk from cat
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08:31<dli>Risjh, or, use the udevinfo command: for f0 in /dev/input/event*;do echo $f0;udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n $f0);done
08:31<Risjh>dli, i got some junk with event1 when i touch the keyboard, but no such thing with any of the files and touchpad :(
08:32<dli>Risjh, event1 is your keyboard then, try others
08:32<Risjh>i tried, no junk with others
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08:34<dli>Risjh, try the udevinfo command, and search for Synaptics in output
08:35<Risjh>t# for f0 in /dev/input/event*;do echo f0;udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path-n $f0);done
08:35<Risjh>unknown query type
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08:39<chen>excuse me
08:39<chen>I used the apt-get source foo
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08:40<chen>and i get the source ,but how can i make the source to binary file?
08:40<dli>chen, apt-get -b source foo
08:41<chen>?? I just want to make the source file myself
08:41<dli>chen, apt-get build-dep foo, if you haven't done that
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08:43<guillaume>hello, I have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.22-2 under lenny but I encounter problem with keymap now !! It is impossible to fix it to azerty with dpkg-reconfigure console-data for exemple...
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08:49<Risjh>umm, hi?
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08:49<Ghismo>good afternoon guys
08:49<Risjh>dli, no synaptics in that command :(
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08:49<Risjh>from the udevinfo that is
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08:49<Ghismo>i've installed the debian stable version
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08:50<Risjh>i can use the touchpad now, but tapping doesnt work, i have to use the buttons :(
08:50<Staale>I am copying from debian to a windows box using winscp and getting 2 mb/s, shouldn't i get more from a 100 mbit network? How can I check that all features are enabled and working in my network card (Realtek 8111 1gbit)
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08:50<Ghismo>i've downloaded a package from a web site
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08:50<Ghismo>but i can't install it
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08:50<Ghismo>is it because i have the sarge version?
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08:51<Ghismo>what if i had the unstable...can i with unstable install any .deb package?
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08:52<lupine_85>Ghismo: generally no
08:52<lupine_85>what program are you trying to install?
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08:53<Ghismo>with ubuntu i basically can install everything
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08:53<Ghismo>i've installed the sarge 4.0
08:54<stew>Ghismo: sarge is 3.1, etch is 4.0
08:54<lupine_85>I don't see any .deb files on the website
08:54<Ghismo>the last stable version
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08:54<lupine_85>and, debian or ubutu, you'd be a fool to install .debs targeted at a different release
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08:54<lupine_85>well. either a fool or very knowledgeable
08:54<lupine_85>(depending on whether it works or not :p)
08:55<Eulex>or lucky
08:55<lupine_85>that comes under fool
08:55<lupine_85>they have RPMs and a .tgz, and... um, that's it
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08:56<Ghismo>with ubuntui can install every .deb package
08:56<i-rACEr>hello everyone
08:56<Ghismo>but why i can't do the same with debian?
08:56<lupine_85>and you can do exactly the same with debian
08:56<lupine_85>just because you can, doesn't mean you should
08:56<Ghismo>not with the 4.0
08:56<lupine_85>yes, with the 4.0
08:57<Ghismo>even if a package isn't in the repositories?
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08:57<lupine_85>I still don't actually see a .deb file available, though. can you link to it?
08:57<lupine_85>even then.
08:57<i-rACEr>i'm tring to set up my router to use 2 uplink providers, i've read the tutorials on but i have a problem
08:58<Eulex>Ghismo, if a package works for a different distro and/or release it was intended for, you are just lucky. you shouldn't really attempt it at all if you can avoid it.
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08:58<i-rACEr>i can't ping the outside ip addresses from the inside lan
08:59<lupine_85>it looks like the program is statically-compiled except for libstdc++5, anyway
08:59<lupine_85>but still
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09:01<i-rACEr>and right after i run my routing script i get ip address conflicts
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09:02<jhonny23>is ndb terribly broken?
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09:03<i-rACEr>do i have to use another distro for advanced routing?
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09:05<dli>Risjh, you need the synaptics driver, apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
09:06<Eulex>i-rACEr, other linux distros have the same kernel. switching distro has a minimal chance of 'fixing it'. most likely; you're doing something wrong.
09:06<dli>Risjh, and driver "synaptics" in xorg.conf
09:06<dli>!tell Risjh about synaptics
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09:07<Risjh>i already have the driver
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09:07<i-rACEr>Eulex i'm using the same routing commands as on lartc
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09:08<i-rACEr>Eulex i've read that bsd is better at routing then linux is, is that true?
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09:09<Eulex>i-rACEr, no idea, and this channel is related to debian. in any way, then I assume that you have a different setup than the ones at lartc assume. but that's just a guess.
09:09<plokko>where i can find an autoinstaller(i want try to update the kernel but i'm worried about loosing all my work!)for the 2.6.xx kernel???
09:09<plokko>PS:i can't use internet!
09:09<lupine_85>plokko: what version of debian are you using?
09:09<plokko>4.0 r1
09:09<plokko>i need wifi support,prisma64 should work
09:09<lupine_85>then install the 2.6 kernel from any etch CD you have lying around
09:10<i-rACEr>Eulex no, i have the same setup, two providers, the lan is masqueraded to both
09:10<plokko>what dvd???dvd1?
09:10<lupine_85>apt-cdrom followed by apt-get install linux-image-2.6-(something)
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09:10<lupine_85>if you don't have one, download and burn one
09:10<Risjh>thanks dli modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse did the trick~
09:10<Eulex>i-rACEr, details on how this should be done might have been changed in between kernel versions. their tutorial might be out-of-date.
09:11<plokko>and apt will add another option for the 2.6 kernel in grub automatically?
09:11<i-rACEr>Eulex even load balancing works
09:11<Eulex>i-rACEr, have the interfaces got different ip addresses?
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09:12<plokko>lupine_85: is it right?
09:13<i-rACEr>Eulex yes, i have two class a ip addresses starting with 82.x.x.x and on the inside 192.168.0.x
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09:14<i-rACEr>Eulex the outside ips are on diferent subnets
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09:14<Eulex>i-rACEr, ok.
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09:14<Eulex>i-rACEr, you might want to ask in #networking on freenode, they might know
09:15<i-rACEr>Eulex thanks
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09:15<plokko>does apt-get install update the grub config?????
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09:17<Eulex>plokko, yes, when you install a new kernel or remove a kernel.
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09:17<brunoluiz>vc min ensina a usar isso ?
09:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:18<froberto>iai vc tc de onde?
09:18<froberto>isso uq?
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09:18<azeem>froberto: please write in english
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09:18<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:18<brunoluiz>oi por que vc naun quer tc ?
09:18<plokko>ok so if i'll do apg i can roll back without loosing anything...
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09:19<plokko>asd sry
09:19<brunoluiz>apg? o quasisane ue significa ?
09:19<azeem>brunoluiz: 16:16 < azeem> froberto: please write in english
09:19<bortolotto>brunoluiz talk only in english | fale somente em ingles aqui.
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09:20<plokko>bortolotto where do u came from?
09:20<brunoluiz>vai tomar no ku
09:20<azeem>plokko: please discuss this in private
09:20<brunoluiz>vai tomar no ku
09:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:20<azeem>brunoluiz: last warning
09:21<bortolotto>plokko br.
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09:21<redal>hi all
09:22<leoz>excuse me
09:22<leoz>is there an easy to use equation solver in lenny/etch?
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09:23<azeem>leoz: xmgr, maybe
09:23<azeem>leoz: depends on "easy to use"
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09:23<redal>ices2+icecast2+amarok is working, but ices2+icecast2+winamp don't me
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09:24<leoz>as easy as "punch in an equation and get a foolproof result"? :D
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09:24<lupine_85>hard homework is hard? :)
09:24<smilox>Alguem ai?
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09:24<leoz>yeah, gotta pick up the pace if i want to make it through univ
09:25<azeem>leoz: what are you studying?
09:25<eNtRoPia>hi people
09:25<leoz>IT, that's why i need a basic equation editor to compare my results
09:25<JuanCraft>Hi, can somebody give me an idea about how to expand my TV channel list??? (it works from 1 to 100)
09:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:26<Eulex>oh, smilox quit. nvm.
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09:26<Risjh>lupine_85, that link for the ndiswrapper which you gave me downloads a file from Dell, but the said file doesnt exist in the archive i downloaded from dell :(
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09:26<leoz>trying out xmgr, let's see how it goes :)
09:27<azeem>leoz: or grace
09:27<azeem>xgrace, which supersedes xmgr
09:27<Eulex>leoz, axim or maxima.
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09:27<leoz>nice, thanks a lot
09:28<leoz>glad i migrated from W32
09:28<Eulex>leoz, those two are powerful, but might be a bit hard to use
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09:28<leoz>well, i'm gonna have to learn using matlab anyway
09:28<leoz>might as well give them a spin
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09:29<scimmiapazza>hi to all..
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09:30<scimmiapazza>I've one problem with wifi. Is possible use unstable packages on a testing system..right? O.o
09:30<leoz>sure is
09:30<leoz>at your own risk tho' :D
09:30<Eulex>scimmiapazza, yes, usually.
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09:31<leoz>why, i reinstalled debian from scratch about a dozen times because i kept on updating it from sid...
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09:32<scimmiapazza><Eulex> cool. Because I thought that that could was a problem.. So.. my problem is.. I install rt2500 drivers for my wifi card using unstable packages because testing are buggy..but.. Everything look perfect..but with knetworkmanager I can't connect to any wireless lan..
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09:33<leoz>ow, RT2500. what a headache
09:33<lupine_85>rt2500 are cool, and easy
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09:33<lupine_85>leoz: can you connect using iwlist and iwconfig
09:34<leoz>heh, not me
09:34<beer>I have a small problem with getting some sound on my new laptop (Zepto 6224w) with AD1884. I have install the latest kernel and alsa (alas-base,alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa utils). Then I have rund the alsaconf command as root. It seems like it finds it and install the driver and turn op the volume but I dont get any soun at all when trying to playt some music
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09:34<Eulex>scimmiapazza, does iwlist scanning list any aps?
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09:34<beer>is it me there is during something wrong?
09:35<leoz>beer: check your mixer and make sure that both PCM and front audio are enabled and have some volume
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09:35<Eulex>!tell beer about alsa checklist
09:35<scimmiapazza><Eulex> Umh..I dont' know..not I reinstalled debian.. I will come back when I installed it..
09:35<scimmiapazza><Eulex> however with iwcnfig I can see it.
09:35<beer>Leoz: gnome Alsa mixer tells my that "master" and "pcm" is on max
09:36<beer>Eulex: what list?
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09:36<leoz>hm. dunno then
09:36<Eulex>beer, check what dpkg said to you.
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09:37<Eulex>scimmiapazza, you scanned using iwconfig and saw your access point? then stuff should be working fine, you can scan both using iwconfig and iwlist. then it may just be knetworkmanager not working.
09:37<Eulex>scimmiapazza, btw, you uninstalled debian because this didn't work?
09:37<chen>excuse me, I type apt-get source bsdgames, and i see many sub-directory including worm, and i want to make worm.c into execute file ,what should i do for that ?
09:37<mildner>hello, anybody who can help me mount my 2. Harddrive
09:37<leoz>oddly, i never used iwconfig. always went by ping and network-admin
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09:37<Eulex>!tell chen about simple sid backport
09:37<beer>Eulex: dpkg is to install things? When I enter it, it ask for some options
09:38<scimmiapazza><Eulex> ..yes..I tryed other distros..but..I come back to debian XD
09:38<Eulex>beer, also, dpkg is a bot here in #debian that just told you about a checklist to go through when alsa isn't working-
09:38<Supaplex>!wave beer
09:38[~]dpkg waves at beer
09:39<Supaplex>!beer Eulex
09:39[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for Eulex
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09:39<seanius>gulden drak, not bad
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09:46<riccardo>ell'ebuild-cvs mi danno un'errore di compilazione +
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09:52<beer>from dpkg> eulex wants you to know: methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
09:52<beer><beer> 1: done. 2:how to add a user to a group?3:done 4:when should those models be stoped? 5: how to chech that. 6: yes: 7 just loaded 8: when I try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" as root it reports "termineted in Konsole
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09:53<Eulex>beer, 2) addgroup 4) always 5) lsmod 8) are you root?
09:54<chealer>beer: check adduser's manpage
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09:55<scimmiapazza>ri-hi to all =)
09:55<mildner>hello anybody who may help me to mount my 2. harddisk?
09:56<tiCo>mildner: what doesn't work?
09:57<valdyn>!tell mildner -about ask
09:57<mildner>I have a hard disk name /dev/hda1 and like to mount it, but my currently harddisk iss with lenny 64bit
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09:57<valdyn>mildner: /dev/hda1 is a partition on the disk hda
09:57<valdyn>mildner: read 'man mount'
09:57<tiCo>mildner: did you create partitions and filesystems?
09:58<mildner>yes sorry, i called it harddisk because the rest is empty
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09:58<scimmiapazza>I installed rt2500 drivers. I can see the interface but..with knetwrkmanager I can't connect to any network
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09:58<Eulex>scimmiapazza, can iwlist scanning find any networks?
09:58<tiCo>mildner: man fdisk; man mkfs; man mount
09:58<valdyn>scimmiapazza: that's ok, network-manager and rt2500 do not support each other
09:58<Eulex>scimmiapazza, can you see them in knetworkmanager?
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09:59<chen>what is backports
09:59<valdyn>scimmiapazza: you could try the new rt2x00 driver, but that one is not yet mature really
09:59<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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10:00<mildner>tico, I tried allready a while but I am not getting anywhere
10:00<scimmiapazza><Eulex><valdyn> Yes..I can see my network with knetworkmanager..but I can't connect to it.. they don't support each other? I installed rt2500 drivers unstable packages..
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10:00<valdyn>mildner: tell us the error message(s)
10:01<valdyn>scimmiapazza: rt2500 doesnt get new features, not in unstable either
10:01<mildner>valdyn, mount -l ext3 /dev/hda1
10:01<mildner>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
10:01<Eulex>scimmiapazza, are they encrypted? knetworkmanager might not support connecting to wpa networks (but I never used it, so that's just a guess)
10:01<Eulex>mildner, -t ext3
10:02<scimmiapazza><Eulex> I've already used knetwormanager with this network..and so with wpa..
10:02<tiCo>mildner: if mount doesn't recognize an ext3 filesystem, I guess you didn't create one... did you use mkfs?
10:02<mildner>tico, no
10:02<scimmiapazza><valdyn> and so wich one is the new drivers?
10:02<Eulex>scimmiapazza, same version of knetworkmanager?
10:02<valdyn>scimmiapazza: rt2x00
10:02<scimmiapazza><Eulex> Umh..I dn't know..
10:02<tiCo>mildner: ok, then really better read the manpages and learn to understand how that woekas
10:02<scimmiapazza>from debian repository?
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10:03<valdyn>scimmiapazza: apt-cache search rt2x00
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10:04<scimmiapazza><valdyn> ...??
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10:05<valdyn>rt2x00-source - RT2x00 wireless network drivers source
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10:05<guillaume>Hi, I need help to fix keymap under 2.6.22-2 kernel since update, it was like if I had lost the keymap files
10:05<scimmiapazza><valdyn> Is that in testing repository?
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10:06<valdyn>scimmiapazza: it's in unstable, i don't know about etch or lenny
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10:06<scimmiapazza><valdyn> ok..i'm going to download it..
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10:07<scimmiapazza><valdyn> Umh..Should I uninstall rt2500 drivers?
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10:07<valdyn>scimmiapazza: sure
10:07<Alam_Debian>you are using rt2500 unstable with what kind of wireless network?
10:08<uzplayer_>anyone here have experience with installing Debian on a Mac?
10:08<scimmiapazza><valdyn> end..umh..How can I do that? :S
10:08<uzplayer_>I dont seem to be getting an answer in the PPC channel
10:08<valdyn>scimmiapazza: geez
10:08<valdyn>scimmiapazza: aptitude remove <packagename>
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10:10<guillaume>do I have to try reinstall the kernel ?
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10:10<scimmiapazza><valdyn> is aptitude like apt-get? O_o Hoever...ok.but..I used module-assistant for make the driver..Should I remove only rt2500 and 2500-source?
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10:11<Risjh>lupine_85, didnt work :(
10:11<valdyn>scimmiapazza: only rt2500-modules-2.6.22-2-486
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10:13<scimmiapazza><valdyn> Reboot.. see you.
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10:15<memfis>Hello all, I'm having difficulty locating an smp kernel for my dual amd mp2000+ lenny system. Does one exist? I've attempted to search & local synaptic. Could anyone assist?
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10:16<valdyn>memfis: all are smp except the -486 kernel
10:16<scimmiapazza>yeees...wifi works!! =)
10:16<cahoot>memfis: all 686 kernels are smp
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10:17<memfis>ahh ok, thank you both. would appear I'm running 486 atm.
10:17<scimmiapazza>Thankyou!!! =)
10:17<memfis>(Yes I realise thats the wrong kernel) :)
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10:28<Remco_>I have a missing modules.deb file. Because of that ext3 won't load so nothing works
10:28<chen_>question : apt-get install package name will compile all the *.c file ,but I just want to compile one of the *.c file,what should i do?
10:28<Remco_>Any ideas?
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10:32<Risjh>dli, you there?
10:32<Risjh>lupine_85, it worked \o/
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10:32<dli>Risjh, yes
10:32<Risjh>thanks lupine_85
10:32<Risjh>dli, each time i reboot i have to do modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse to get the tapping to work, why is that?
10:33<Risjh>and i got the xfree86-synatics driver before this started working
10:33<dli>Risjh, you have xfree86? not xorg?
10:34<Risjh>i had xorg before, and tapping wasnt working, so i got xfree86 one and then did modprobe -r and modprobe and it started working but i have to do the modprobe thing on each reboot
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10:35<dli>Risjh, I'm not sure how you do that. the solution to your problem, put a line of "psmouse" in /etc/modules
10:36<Risjh>ok, trying
10:37<leoz>wasn't xfree86 merged with xorg tho'? maybe i'm spewing out nonsense.
10:38<lupine_85>xfree went non-free, so xorg forked from them
10:38<azeem>not non-free
10:38<marsu>Hi !! I've got a problem since the last xorg update with my keyboard.. When I keep a key pressed, the letter isn't repeated on the screen, no matter how long I wait. It doesn't come from kbdrate, plus the LED doesn't react anymore ( which isn't really worrisome ). Any idea ? It's getting on my nerves :p
10:38<leoz>closed source
10:38<Risjh>thanks dli
10:38<lupine_85>azeem: what license?
10:39<azeem>BSD+advertisement Ithink
10:39<azeem>though I'm not sure
10:39<azeem>maybe it was really non-free
10:39<dli>marsu, xorg-7.3 ?
10:39<guillaume>Hi, I need help to fix keymap under 2.6.22-2 kernel since update, it was like if I had lost the keymap files and can't bring it back to "azerty"
10:39<marsu>Version: 1:7.3+2 <-- here's what apt-cache show tells me ;)
10:40<Risjh>should i upgrade up kernel and not remain with the stock kernel of the distribution?
10:40<lupine_85>looks fairly BSD-ish
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10:42<lupine_85>hehe. "The XFree86 Project maintains that the 4.4.0 release of XFree86 is as GPL compatible as any and all previous versions were."
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10:43<leoz>come to think about it.
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10:43<lupine_85>definitely not closed
10:43<leoz>did nvidia fix the ABI compatibility with xorg 7.3?
10:43<lupine_85>probably not non-free
10:43<dli>lupine_85, they still release new version every year, interesting
10:44<leoz>hmm, it's kinda hazy
10:44<leoz>while it's true that there's still sources up to 4.4.0, that's not the case for newer versions
10:44<marsu>dli: any guess about the cause of this keyboard problem ? ^^;
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10:44<lupine_85>leoz: it's BSDish. "The 4.7.0 source code can also be obtained directly from our public CVS server under the release tag xf-4_7_0."
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10:45<leoz>ah, missed that
10:45<lupine_85>the source code is available, but people aren't required to release the source code with binaries (as they are with the GPL)
10:45<lupine_85>so, people can make proprietary modifications and not release the source
10:45<dli>marsu, you are using sid :( I suggest you to recompile all keyboard mouse dbus hal drivers with xserver-xorg-1.4
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10:47<marsu>dli: sounds like it could be quicker to wait for an upgrade :D
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10:54<leoz>hm. do the latest nvidia drivers work with xorg 7.3?
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10:55<dli>leoz, yes
10:57<leoz>nice. waiting for lenny then
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10:59<guillaume>leoz: I use them together
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11:00<leoz>i know i could, but i've already hosed my system about a dozen times with unstable packages
11:00<manphiz>seems no one cares about the LED issues in Xorg 7.3 ...
11:00<leoz>and every single time xorg was the cause ^^
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11:01<leoz>see? not safe yet
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11:05<marsu>dli: I solved it with xset finally.... I stupidly didn't look at that before
11:05<marsu>dli: thanks ;)
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11:06<lupine_85>sid is never safe
11:06<marsu>most of time, it is..... I seldom encounter such bugs really
11:06<leoz>well, it depends
11:07<leoz>semantically speaking, you can't consider it "safe"
11:07<leoz>software is never perfect, and sometimes it has issues even in etch
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11:07<guillaume>so nobody knows how to fix keymap
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11:09<leoz>guillaume: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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11:09<leoz>it will walk you through the configuration of the X environment, including the keymap
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11:10<leoz>if you have a custom video driver make a backup of the original xorg.conf file so you can punch back in the information your video card needs to work normally
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11:13<smhar>greetings to all
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11:22<guillaume>leoz: thk u, but do I have to fix that every kernel update ?
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11:25<leoz>guillaume: i'm not sure about that, maybe you can set it through make menuconfig?
11:25<leoz>wait, scratch that
11:26<leoz>technically that's stored in xorg.conf, which has nothing to do with the kernel configuration... i think.
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11:26<nostalgia>greetings folks
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11:27<aycko>what is the standard fdisk linux partition type? ext2 or vfs, i am a bit confused, because i cannot mount my newly partitioned disk.
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11:27<guillaume>leoz: yes of course, but as I'm under nvidia graphic driver for compiz-fusion, every kernel update need the recompilation of graphic driver and it may involve that the keyboard conf is lost...
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11:28<pumpkin0>aycko: it is ext*-something. But you want to format it after partitioning.
11:29<nostalgia>well can anybody tell me how to share internet between ubuntu and windows
11:29<pumpkin0>nostalgia: how do you connect to the internet ?
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11:30<nostalgia>pumpking : well i connect the internet using a dsl connection on linux and the machine has two lan cards and ihave installed guidedog for sharing internet as it offers a little GUI also
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11:30<aycko>pumpkin0: i get a strange fault:
11:30<adii>i've got a problem with fglrx : i've downloaded the ati driver from ati website, built a couple packages for debian/etc using it, i've dpkg -i them. Now i'm trying to build fglrx module with m-a build fglrx but it returns a compilation error. I've looked up google and found that the bug had been referenced before at : Bug#425692. But i didn't get how to get rid of it. Anybody can help ?
11:31<pumpkin0>nostalgia: is it a DSL-router (with a NAT) or is it a DSL-Modem ?
11:31<nostalgia>well a DSL modem
11:31<pumpkin0>aycko: did you format the partition ?
11:31<aycko>pumpkin0: i formated everything like on different tutorials
11:31<pumpkin0>nostalgia: ask ubuntu how they manage NATs.
11:32<pumpkin0>aycko: what command did you use.
11:32<aycko>pumpkin0: format with cfdisk and/or fdisk, and i wrote it
11:32<nostalgia>pumpking Thanks i will look into this
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11:33<pumpkin0>aycko: these are for partitioning a drive. You have to format it later. (mkfs.ext3 /dev/ ...)
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11:36<aycko>pumpkin0: pumpkin0 ;) my bad i thought that this is included and i get a complete ext2 partition
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11:37<aycko>pumpkin0: thank you.
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11:38<pumpkin0>aycko: no problem. So it works ?
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11:42<molin>hi, does anyone know how I can set up fuse so that any user can mount ssh file systems?
11:44<dli>molin, apt-get install sshfs
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11:47<molin>ah, no, I got that. But I understood what I was doing wrong, had to add myself to the fuse group
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11:56<fou9>i can't write to my external HD, any help?
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11:57<lupine_85>fou9: ntfs? or is it just a permissions issue?
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11:58<dli>best solution, don't use ntfs :)
11:58<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport.
11:58<fou9>lame not available in etch?
11:58<lupine_85>"except as a backport"
11:59<fou9>i don't know anything about that stuff
11:59<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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11:59<fou9>so it's not in apt-get right?
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12:00<Vakio>fou9: apt-get is just a tool. Check the links.
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12:00<Vakio>fou9: there are no packages "in apt-get".
12:01<lupine_85>there are a variable number of packages within apt-get's database. You can add backported packages to it. The links tell you how
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12:01<fou9>sounds like a lot of trouble, thinking i should've just stuck with ubuntu. Things were easier there
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12:02<Vakio>fou9: so you never added any extra repositories in Ubuntu?
12:02<lupine_85>"oh noes! It's not all done automagically for me! However shall I cope???"
12:02<fou9>Vakio, i did, i had to edit some in debian since i did a netinstall and it kept asking me for my cd
12:03<fou9>lupine_85, that's how i feel when installing 3D drivers in debian, i've failed twice trying to do it
12:03<fou9>i followed a wiki and then had someone in here guide me through it
12:03<lupine_85>well, it could be worse
12:03<lupine_85>at least you're learning
12:04<fou9>I thought debian would be a lot of fun since Ubuntu was based off of it and Ubuntu was really easy to use. Never had trouble compiling or installing anything, but I had to go through so much more trouble compiling pidgin in debian
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12:04[~]lupine_85 notes a distinct lack of sympathy :p
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12:05<fou9>i'm just not as linux savvy as you i suppose
12:05<lupine_85>ubuntu has an easier learning curve, I must admit
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12:06<fou9>apt-get can be installed on any linux distrubution right?
12:06[~]Vakio is having fun, so the problem must be in your end.
12:06<lupine_85>fou9: sort of
12:07<lupine_85>it makes no sense to have two independent package management systems in one install
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12:07<lupine_85>they'd overwrite each other's work constantly, not spot each other's dependencies, etc
12:07<fou9>well, other package manager's sound stupid. Like Fedora's, sounds like a bunch of trouble. Apt-get is the easiest thing i've done in my life probably
12:08<lupine_85>mm. apt-rpm is like apt, but works with rpm repositories (so you don't have to use yum)
12:08<lupine_85>you're still limited by the rpm format and generally crapper repos, though
12:08<lupine_85>in general, if you like apt, stick to debian and it's derivatives
12:09<lupine_85>(incidentally, did you know that you can apt-get yum, in debian? :p)
12:09<fou9>gentoo's package manager sounds awesome, but, it wouldn't boot on my old comp so i'm afraid to try it out on my main
12:09<fou9>hmm, yup, seems like you can, lol
12:09<lupine_85>haha. emerge is cool, but singlehandedly responsible for the melting of the polar ice
12:09<leoz>on that note, is it possible to install .rpm's on debian?
12:09<fou9>what do you mean lupine_85 ?
12:09<dpkg>hmm... alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at
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12:10<leoz>thanks for that.
12:10<Vakio>leoz: but you really don't want to do that.
12:10<lupine_85>all that extra compiling... it uses energy, which comes from coal-fired power stations, which kick out CO2, which results in +ve temperatures, which melts the polar ice
12:10<lupine_85>evil gentooers
12:10<Vakio>leoz: unless it's absolutely necessary.
12:10<leoz>yeah, if at all possible i stick to the sources
12:10<fou9>lupine_85, but emerge sounds so easy :(
12:10<lupine_85>in particular, dependencies will usually be screwed
12:10<leoz>but sometimes compiling can be a chore
12:11<fou9>or portage, i guess, emerge is the commands right?
12:11<Vakio>Yeah, portage.
12:11<lupine_85>fou9: it sounds easy, maybe. But KDE took several hours to emerge...
12:11<fou9>no shit? why? It's just more specific and does't do as much for you?
12:11<lupine_85>it takes < 10 minutes to do a full kde install in apt, because it's precompiled
12:11<lupine_85>emerge compiles everything for you, which takes aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages
12:12<lupine_85>especially on a deadbeat socket 754 processor
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12:12<leoz>forced compiling = dependencies ahoy!
12:13<lupine_85>well, it compiles the deps for you too
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12:13<leoz>taking even longer to finish.
12:13<lupine_85>and it does an awesome job with dependencies, I must say
12:13<Vakio>fou9: using backports in Debian is much simpler than portage :)
12:13<lupine_85>and package masking is win
12:13[~]lupine_85 resists the urge to reinstall gentoo
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12:14<leoz>gentoo never itched me particularly
12:14<lupine_85>it's cool++ in theory, and if you have decent hardware
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12:14<lupine_85>or a compile farm handy
12:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:15<nostalgia>how to integrate mplayer into firefox i have moxizlla mplayer already installed but wheni play ope the webcast sit e its doesnt play
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12:15<lupine_85>nostalgia: package mozilla-mplayer
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12:15<leoz>which means that setting up a gentoo rig takes much longer than a clean install with other distros.
12:16<lupine_85>well, you can get stage3 tarballs which make life easier
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12:16<leoz>me? i think they just did it to have smaller repos.
12:17<Vakio>lupine_85: I think he said he already has it installed.
12:17<lupine_85>Vakio: ah, true
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12:18<lupine_85>leoz: hehe. that's part of it. a gentoo repo, or package is a lot easier to set up than a debian one
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12:19<leoz>yeah, but for a penguin in training like me it's not really advisable to waste hours compiling stuff when it'll probably go to waste over a broken dep or driver
12:19<lupine_85>mm, perhaps
12:19<vom>Hello, I just installed my debian 4 and when I tried to boot to debian it said that "X couldn't start" and when I checked the output I saw that it's whining about missing fonts and directories, anyone familiar with this problem?
12:20<lupine_85>beats lfs hands down, though
12:20<leoz>heck, if i had to do that... why, i'd still be reinstalling debian by now O_o
12:20<lupine_85>vom: that's a warning, not an error. Mind posting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
12:20<lupine_85>oh, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:20<vom>Err, what do you mean posting?
12:20<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
12:20<vom>Cant run X.
12:20<lupine_85>!pastebin pipe
12:20<dpkg>Download and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
12:21<vom>Hmm, sec, need to type that down somewhere.
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12:21<lupine_85>(wget <url> to download something in console, but you probably already know that :) )
12:22<vom>pref aptitude if im right what you're talkin' about :b
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12:22<vom>Im not so "good" linux user yet, tho.
12:22<adii>i've just installed fglrx , but glxgears returns that : " glxgears: error while loading shared libraries:" got a clue ?
12:22<lupine_85>to get that script, you'll need to use wget
12:22<leoz>later guys
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12:23<leoz>thanks for the precious information, i've learned a lot today :)
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12:23<vom>lupine_85, yeah, i used my brains a bit more and got the same answer in my head.
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12:25<adii>"fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ??
12:25<vom>Okai, so basicly i do wget and then aptitude that one program thingy, and with those I can paste my output without X? :b
12:25<Vakio>vom: yes.
12:25<vom>Okai, Brb!
12:25<vom>Oh, no, how does screens work again?
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12:26<lupine_85>yep, by doing (e.g.) cat <file> | perl
12:26<lupine_85>alt+f1 to f6 ?
12:26<Vom>cat? <file> ?
12:26<Vom>hmm, sec
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12:26<lupine_85>oh dear
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12:27<Vom>Right, im back, with screens. :)
12:28<Vakio>Vom: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | perl
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12:28<Vom>okai, thanks
12:29<Vakio>Vom: and the same thing with /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:29<Vakio>Both will give you a url.
12:29<lupine_85>cat displays a file (hence <file> - <> mean "a mandatory argument"). | pipes that output to the command (the script you just downloaded), which will then put it on the web and give you an URL to paste here
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12:30<Vom>thats my xorg.conf
12:31<Vom>now sec with that log
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12:32<lupine_85>vesa driver... cute
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12:34<kop>What goes in the ~/.qt/ directory? It's in one of my daemon's home directories and I want to delete it.
12:34<lupine_85>kop: anything related to QT (Trolltech's widgetset)
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12:35<lupine_85>crazy. it's trying to use the ati driver
12:35<lupine_85>wonder why
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12:35<lupine_85>Vom: what graphics card do you have?
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12:36<kop>lupine_85: Well, it's in my mythtv backend's home directory. I think it got there because I once su-ed to that user. It does not appear to be associated with any package according to dpkg -S, but then neither does the mythtv home directory itself. I'm asking because I want to replace the whole directory with a mounted partition and want to tidy up and not have cruft in there. (I know I can delete the .bash_history)
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12:38<kop>lupine_85: I guess the real question is how do I find out if the install of the mythtv package put it there? dpkg -S appears to be no help, because it does not know about the home directory itself.
12:38<lupine_85>Vom: if you really want vesa graphics, try commenting out the Load "glx" line (put a # at the start of it). nano is a basic terminal editor; so as root, you'd "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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12:39<lupine_85>kop: I know nothing about Myth, sorry. Worse-case scenario, you lose all your settings
12:39<Vom>lupine_85: okai, ill try
12:39<lupine_85>you could, you know, back up the directory then delete it
12:39<lupine_85>then delete the backup if nothing untoward happens
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12:40<Vom>here goes
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12:40<kop>lupine_85: I don't either. :) There should be no settings, because I've not set anything. Seems to me that maybe I should do a reinstall on the package after mounting the new partition. I'll see how it goes. Thanks.
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12:45<kop>lupine_85: Well, well. The .qt directory is installed as part of the mythtv-backend package. Whatdayaknow.
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12:45<lupine_85>hehe, fail
12:46<lupine_85>what's in it, anyway?
12:46<nikas>hi, is somewhere good howto for integration firmware for scsi controller into initrd.img ?
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12:48<kop>lupine_85: qt_plugins_3.3rc .qt_plugins_3.3rc.lock The plugins seems to install a libmysql related .so.
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12:50<kop>nikas: You might want to read the kernel building section of the debian reference at Also the /usr/share/doc/ stuff that comes with the kernel-package package. It says how to make a initrd.
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12:52<kop>lupine_85: Was it you the other day I was talking about an extenal log for a jfs filesystem? In any case I tried it and got an error, so I'm just not going to worry about it.
12:52<lupine_85>ok, no worries
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12:54<kop>nikas: As far as the firmware itself, I'd expect that to be in the driver that comes with the kernel. At that point I become clueless so if the above does not help then I don't know.
12:54<lupine_85>you can unpack the initrd, add the firmware, then repack it
12:54<lupine_85>bit of a pain though
12:54<lupine_85>update-initramfs might have a way to add it automagically
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12:55<kop>lupine_85: Why wouldn't the firmware already be there? Because the manufacturer came out with something new?
12:55<lupine_85>it might be nonfree
12:55<kop>lupine_85: *urgle*
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12:59<paistis>How i can solve what program use some port
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13:00<nikas>kop: it's binary sequencer firware which is needed by kernel module driver
13:00<nikas>lupine_85: thnx, I'l look to update-initramfs docs
13:01<kop>paistis: either netstat or lsof
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13:01<paistis>what parameters to lsof?
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13:02<kop>paistis: I don't recall. It has too many parameters. But I seem to remember I used it before.
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13:03<paistis>i have stange httpd runing on port 80 and my apache don't start
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13:05<lupine_85>paistis: kill the strange httpd and start apache
13:05<paistis>lupine_85: problem is i don't know what httpd is it
13:05<lupine_85>you can still get the pid and kill it, though
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13:06<paistis>lupine_85: how i can get that pid?
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13:06<lupine_85>...with lsof
13:06<lupine_85>the second column of the default output is the pid
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13:23<paistis>okey it's seems there is apahce2 runnign but i can't kill it
13:25<Vakio>paistis: what does "/etc/init.d/apache2 stop" say?
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13:26<paistis>httpd (no pid file) not running
13:26<paistis>but netstat says tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 28994/apache2
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13:28<listerine>i just noticed that the version of nmap i have is 4.11.
13:29<listerine>is there a reason 4.2 isn't available via aptitude
13:29<listerine>or is it?
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13:30<Vakio>listerine: you're using stable.
13:30<Vakio>listerine: but there's a backport of nmap, it seems.
13:31<scimmiapazza>When I shutdown the system..afther some text says "the system will alted" and after "System alted" ..and stop.. it doesn't shutdown the pc..
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13:31<marth>hi all
13:31<marth>I have a bit of a problem
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13:32<marth>I bought an AVerDiGi EB1104 -
13:32<marth>when I used Windows; I'm using Linux now; Linux only, Debian stable
13:33<marth>and I'm not a Linux professional... but I'm trying to get the footage from the harddisk via the USB cable
13:33<listerine>Vakio: i don't follow
13:33<marth>it's probably usb2, but Gnome doesn't automatically detect the harddisk via usb2
13:33<marth>any ideas what I should try to mount?
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13:36<Vakio>I hate it when people quit when I'm trying to help them.
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13:37<Vakio>I was in the middle of typing a sentence.
13:37<scimmiapazza>I can imagine it =)
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13:45<chealer_>!comfort Vakio
13:45<dpkg>There, there, Vakio. It's OK. I'm here for you.
13:47<Vakio>dpkg: you're my only friend :(
13:47<lupine_85>!kill Vakio
13:47[~]dpkg mangles Vakio with a large trout
13:47<Vakio>trout: you're my only friend :(
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13:56<marth>hi, I hope this is an easy question:
13:57<marth>how can I find out what IP address a new device has that I attached to my router?
13:57<lupine_85>if it doesn't tell you anywhere, you can scan for it
13:57<chealer_>marth: hum...which device is it?
13:57<lupine_85>though it's probably on the wrong subnet or some such
13:57<marth>lupine: usually I write a bash script that checks all, but maybe it can be scanned easier? ;-)
13:58<lupine_85>just a bit
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13:58<marth>can you tell me how I can do it a bit easier?
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13:59<lupine_85>see nmap
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13:59<lupine_85>but if your router isn't routing to the new device, it's a waste of time
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14:00<lupine_85>oh, and if the new device is a dhcp client, then your router should show it's request (and ip address assigned) in it's logs (if any)
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14:01<marth>tried nmap, but it looks like the router isn't routing to the new device
14:01<lupine_85>what is the new device?
14:01<marth>only get 2 hosts up, the machine I'm on and the router itself
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14:02<marth>a recorder, that unfortunally only has Windows software
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14:02<lupine_85>heh, fun
14:02<marth>wrong url
14:02<marth>that one
14:02<marth>AVerDigi EB1104
14:02<marth>WinXP and Win2000 software
14:02<marth>but it has a network output
14:03<marth>and the pdf manual says there should be a /EB1104NET.htm on its IP
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14:03<lupine_85>you did, of course, read the user manual and installation guide, right?
14:04<meglaw>i have a problem with xorg.conf on xkblayout & xkbmodel, its working and all but not all keys, like at or pipe
14:04<marth>eh yeah, but there's only Windows information
14:04<meglaw>im on a dell latitude c600
14:04<meglaw>so theres my problem
14:04<lupine_85>did it mention the device having a default IP?
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14:06<marth>ehm, no, it mentions "DVR IP"
14:06<marth>"You need to inquire your local daler for the server IP and then enter ..."
14:06<meglaw>its been suggested i use "dell" or "pc104" or "pc104" but that dont work
14:06<marth>that's in chapter "4.3 Real-Time Monitoring from a Remote Computer"
14:06[~]lupine_85 would guess crap translation
14:07<meglaw>opps, pc105
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14:08<chealer_>marth: heh. you can always try getting the IP assuming the device uses DHCP as lupine_85 wrote, or sniff.
14:09<lupine_85>hmm. no...
14:09<lupine_85>I would guess that the device requires configuring via the usb interface
14:09<Vakio>meglaw: what kind of a keyboard do you have?
14:09<chealer_>meglaw: which keyboard layout do you use?
14:09<marth>chealer_, sorry, I don't really understand how to get the IP or sniff... sniff is a program?
14:10<lupine_85>you get an ip by sniffing with an ip scanner like nmap
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14:10<chealer_>marth: no. you can try a sniffer like wireshark or tcpdump.
14:10<lupine_85>hmm. one wonders if it needs a crossover ethernet cable
14:10<lupine_85>oh, that sort of sniff
14:10<lupine_85>useless with any modern router
14:10<meglaw>i use sv_SE.ISO-8859-15 and i have a swedish laotopkeyboard Vakio and chealer_
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14:12<marth>yeah, I tried nmap and there are only 2 hosts, at least according to nmap
14:12<lupine_85>eh, well. I dunno, and that website is far too annoying for me to dig any more. I would suggest configuring it with a windows PC somewhere, via the USB port
14:12<Vakio>meglaw: and what values have you tried for XkbModel and XkbLayout?
14:12<lupine_85>hopefully that'll let you set the IP address, which will then be accessible via ethernet to the linux pc
14:12<marth>lupine_85, chealer_ ... it also has a usb2 output, but gnome is not detecting the harddisk via that cable
14:13<meglaw>Vakio: pc105, pc104, dell.. i dont realy know were to look up whats avalable. :)
14:13<marth>lupine_85: I could try that, look for a Windows pc, ...
14:13<meglaw>i count 85 keys on my keybord
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14:14<lupine_85>meglaw: doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg let you detect the correct keymap by typing in various letters?
14:14<silent>what would I add to my sources.list entries to have access to all repositories?
14:14<meglaw>perhaps ill try
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14:14<lupine_85>silent: define "all"
14:14<chealer_>silent: what do you mean by "all repositories"?
14:15<silent>I mean any section with software for 4.0
14:15<silent>I need some dependencies and they aren't available with my current sources.list
14:15<lupine_85>have you been adding third-party repos?
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14:15<lupine_85>nothing in main should depend on anything outside of it
14:16<marth>silent: where it says "main" change that to "main contrib non-free"
14:16<silent>those are the dependencies I need
14:17<lupine_85>they're all in main
14:17<lupine_85>you just need to install them
14:17<silent>I'll run an update
14:17<Vakio>silent: what are you trying to install?
14:17<lupine_85>no, you need to install them yourself
14:17<marth>another question, in Windows I can simply use alt-210 to get a character, in Linux I have to use a character picker, unless I get to a hell-lot of work to change X settings, /why?!/ is that still the case, it should be super-super easy to just give that to the world by default, it should be so easy to just help all these Linux-newbies out
14:17<meglaw>lupine_85: no, it did not. ;(
14:17<marth>(but that's just something I'm wondering, more a rethorical question)
14:17<lupine_85>whatever you're trying, it won't play nice with apt
14:17<silent>Vakio, hplip
14:17<Vakio>"rerun this installer" sounds non-Debiany.
14:18<lupine_85>marth: as an input method, it's available; don't ask me how to enable it though
14:18<Vakio>silent: what about aptitude install hplip?
14:18<silent>well apparently I can apt-get install hplip, I'll try that out
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14:18[~]lupine_85 uses a mixture of character picker, scim/skim, and alt+gr
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14:18<marth>lupine_85, yeah, I know it's possible and available, but it should be the default for all Linux distributions on the entire planet
14:18<chealer_>marth: which X session type do you use?
14:18<marth>lupine_85, it's not like you expect alt-243 to do anything else
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14:19<marth>chealer_, xdm or gdm, either one of those... why?
14:19<lupine_85>most people just don't use it
14:19<silent>Vakio, I have hplip installed, any tips on how to add printers etc?
14:19<chealer_>marth: that's your display manager. do you use GNOME, or what?
14:19<meglaw>any more ideas?
14:20<marth>lupine_85, /everyone/ uses that, all offices I've ever worked in had these alt-codes on their computerscreens, on their desks, on the walls
14:20<Vakio>!tell silent -about ask
14:20<lupine_85>you and your office isn't everyone :p
14:20<marth>chealer_, blackbox, gnome, kde, all kinds of managers, none of them ever gave me working alt-codes
14:20<lupine_85>still, feel free to file a bugreport if you like
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14:20<marth>lupine_85, my point is that most people /do/ use it... you said that most of them /don't/ ... not in the 3 offices I've worked at
14:21<silent>Vakio, how do I configure hplip?
14:21<lupine_85>you've got a relative view of most. perhaps it's common near you. It's certainly not common near me
14:21<chealer_>marth: AFAIK you're wrong at least for GNOME, for KDE it's because nobody did it yet.
14:22<marth>chealer_, well, I'm in gnome now... any idea how I can get it to work? it's not the default, that's for sure...
14:22<Vakio>silent: maybe you could try reading its man page.
14:22<marth>it's not really that I want to use it, it's just proof that Linux isn't ready for the desktop
14:22[~]Vakio has never owned a printer.
14:22<chealer_>marth: it should work by default.
14:22<silent>Vakio, there is no man page
14:22<lupine_85>yes, because minor features are true indicators of desktop worthiness
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14:22<silent>Vakio, No manual entry for hplip
14:23<marth>anyways, I have to go
14:23<dondelelcaro>matth_: if you want to enter random characters, use the compose appropriate for your locale
14:23<marth>(don't get me wrong, Linux rules... it's just that it would be so simple to fix it :P)
14:23<dondelelcaro>it's not like it's all that difficult
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14:24<chealer_>"anyways, I have to go"...hah
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14:28<listerine>i was reading a tutorial and it mentioned editing my /etc/networking/interfaces file
14:29<listerine>that file does not seem to be present on my system
14:29<listerine>i have a /etc/interfaces, but it is empty
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14:30<lupine_85>if it isn't present, create it. * /etc/network/interfaces *
14:31<petemc>how did you install debian?
14:31<chealer>how do you input Unicode in GTK+?
14:31<lupine_85>it sounds like a misspelt directory to me, TBH
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14:31<chealer>the Alt-like way we were discussing?
14:33<Vakio>listerine: do you still want an answer to your earlier question about nmap?
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14:35<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to compare a DVD with the image file it was written from? The image file is arbitrary data
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14:37<EmleyMoor>(written as though an iso but it isn't)
14:37<lupine_85>EmleyMoor: md5sum /dev/dvd ?
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14:37<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: Hmmm... hadn't thought of that
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14:37<lupine_85>might not work, but should
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14:38<EmleyMoor>So basically run md5sum on both image file and DVD and compare the result - well, I will try it
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14:39<EmleyMoor>How long does it take to compute the md5sum?
14:39<lupine_85>not too long
14:39<lupine_85>it has to read the entire file, though
14:39<sepski>EmleyMoor, it need to read the whole iso /cdrom so it takes a while
14:39<dondelelcaro>however long it takes to read the entire file plus a bit
14:40<EmleyMoor>Well, I will try it and see
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14:41[~]EmleyMoor has managed to get good results using cdbackup to carve up his backups now
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14:43<meglaw>i got it working
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14:43<meglaw>@@@££$«««||< ;)
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14:44<meglaw>so anyone has any sodimm 144pin sdr to donate? ;)
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14:48<meglaw> im on 128mb. :(
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14:48<adii>I've got some problems with having my 3D acceleration work
14:48<adii>i've installed fglrx with dpkg method
14:49<adii>loaded it in xorg.conf, but glxinfo still tells me that "direct rendering : no"
14:50<Eulex>have you checked your Xorg.0.log?
14:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... found a howto on the very subject of verifying DVDs :-)
14:50<adii>yep I did, but couldn't find anything wrong with it
14:51<adii>(II) GLX: Initialized MESA-PROXY GL provider for screen 0
14:51<Eulex>adii, check for (EE) and (WW)
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14:51<meglaw>does ati rage 2 support 3d?
14:52<adii>there 's nothing relevant (no EE, and a single WW : (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
14:52<Eulex>adii, the fglrx kernel module is loaded?
14:53<giammarc>hello I have a strange problem with my debian, I have searched internet but I have found no solution
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14:53<Eulex>adii, try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo and see if you get any useful debug output
14:53<giammarc>I can boot only if I make the ramdisk with yaird
14:54<giammarc>with initramfs the hard disk remains read only
14:54<adii>Eulex : "libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/ failed (/usr/lib/dri/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
14:54<adii>"libGL error: unable to load driver:
14:54<Eulex>adii, I think that explains it then
14:55<adii>yup but i'm not sure how to correct it
14:55<Eulex>adii, the fglrx-driver package is correctly installed?
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14:55<adii>locate doesn't return anything
14:55<adii>yep looks like it is
14:55<Eulex>adii, dpkg -l|grep fglrx-driver to see the status of the package
14:55<adii>ii fglrx-driver 8.41.7-1 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerato
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14:56<adii>that's odd. compiling and loading of fglrx went with no troubles
14:56<giammarc>anyone knows why my root file system wants to stay read only?
14:57<Eulex>adii, are you on debian? debian doesn't have such a new fglrx-driver.
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14:57<Eulex>or did you perhaps build your own fglrx-driver package?
14:57<adii>i'm on debian, but i've used the proprietary drivers to build debian package
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14:57<adii>that's it :p
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14:58<Eulex>adii, then you probably did something wrong if that file isn't part of the package. or the build stuff just don't work with 8.41.7 and will have to be modified to work with.
14:58<Eulex>adii, do you need 8.41.7?
14:58<adii>I thought I did, because my card is quite recent. Though I should also give the repository packages a try
14:59<Jocker>I need help in Knoppix live CD
14:59<listerine>what's up
14:59<Jocker>anyone can help
14:59<listerine>ask your question
14:59<Eulex>adii, what's 'pretty recent'
14:59<Eulex>Jocker, #knoppix on freenode can
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14:59<Jocker>I cann't copy files from my Local disk drive C to the drive D
14:59<adii>like : direct x 10 card
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15:00<Eulex>adii, oh, an 8800?
15:00<adii>it's a radeon hd 2600
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15:00<listerine>Jocker: your hard drives are probably mounted read-only
15:00<Eulex>adii, yes, of course. I'm not even sure if the newest ati driver supports that one, I'll look it up
15:00<listerine>you need to remount them as read-write
15:00<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
15:01<Jocker>some one have told me that NTFS cannot be modified in the knoppix live cd is that's right ?
15:01<Eulex>adii, yes, right, you need the new drivers.
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15:01<Eulex>Jocker, ask #knoppix
15:01<Jocker>okay thanks
15:02<adii>I thought trying the good windows-like method : getting the file and pasting it in a /usr/lib directory and see if it works. Pretty dirty to my mind tbh :)
15:02<Eulex>Jocker, but well, you cannot modify ntfs in linux without ntfs-3g. we in #debian have no idea whether knoppix has that or not, though.
15:02<Eulex>adii, perhaps. I dunno.
15:02<meglaw>hum. well now all the sighns work but not alt-numbers in irssi
15:03<Eulex>adii, it might need to be built against your xorg
15:03<meglaw>strange chars
15:03<petemc>does esc + N work?
15:03<Jocker>well Eulex wat is ntfs-3g so far ?
15:03<Eulex>meglaw, try ctrl-shift-u, then write a hexcode
15:04<meglaw>did not work, and not verry handy. :)
15:04<Eulex>Jocker, ntfs-3g is a fuse module.
15:04<Eulex>oh, right, will prolly only work in gtk apps.
15:04<giammarc>with initramfs-tools my root filesystem remains readonly, with yaird I can boot, why?
15:05<Eulex>meglaw, in any case, alt-number is windows-specific and linux doesn't do it.
15:05<Jocker>I'm just new to this , I used to work in Windows
15:05<EmleyMoor>Is there a command I can issue to break an unhappy DVD writer out of what it's doing without rebooting?
15:05<Eulex>Jocker, in any case, I think #knoppix will be able to help you more.
15:05<Jocker>so apologize me if I couldn't understand well
15:05<Jocker>how can I access knoppix?
15:05<meglaw>Eulex: so theres no way to use that kind of a function then?
15:06<Jocker>* the knoppix channel
15:06<EmleyMoor>Jocker: /join #knoppix
15:06<chealer>Jocker: join #knoppix on freenode
15:06<EmleyMoor>(yes, on freenode)
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15:06<Eulex>meglaw, you can paste from other apps. gucharmap is a good program for that, it will list all unicode characters. you can also assign custom keymappings to generate special characters with xmodmap.
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15:06<Jocker>could u plz tell me step-by-step wat am I supposed to do?
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15:07<Jocker>and wat is freenode?
15:07<Eulex>Jocker, #knoppix might.
15:07<Eulex>Jocker, freenode is another irc network.
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15:07<Eulex>Jocker, and how to get there is very specific to your irc client.
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15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:08<Jocker>okay, thanks ppl. I'll try my luck :D
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15:08<giammarc>someone sees me?
15:08<giammarc> with initramfs-tools my root filesystem remains readonly, with yaird I can boot, why?
15:08<giammarc><Eulex> meglaw, in any case, alt-number is windows-specific and linux doesn't do it.
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15:09<Eulex>giammarc, no idea
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15:09<giammarc>In grub I can set ro or rw
15:09<giammarc>but it seems that it has no effect
15:09<giammarc>where are other places
15:09<giammarc>where I can put rw?
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15:11<Eulex>the ro/rw kernel option is afaik not for whether the root fs should be read-only or read-write. I have ro and it works perfectly.
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15:12<greenmang0>giammarc: ro and rw has effect
15:12<greenmang0>giammarc: ro mounts roof FS read-only on boot
15:13<giammarc>but with initrd also?
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15:13<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to kill a process that has this state: D<Ll+
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15:13<greenmang0>giammarc: ro is a kernel-parameter.. it should not be used with initrd
15:13<giammarc>I put rw and after a bit it says that cannot proceed because root fs is read only
15:13<meglaw>Eulex: maby u dont use irssi so u dont know but cant i makes aliases for alt - number to /window number
15:13<giammarc>so putting rw has no effect with initramfs-tools
15:14<Eulex>meglaw, no idea
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15:14<Vakio>meglaw: what terminal are you using?
15:14<Eulex>meglaw, oh, you didn't want to be able to hold alt and type a number on numpad to get a special character, like in windows?
15:14<greenmang0>giammarc: where did you put ro?
15:15<greenmang0>giammarc: on kernel line? or on initrd line?
15:15<giammarc>in grub menu in the kernel line
15:15<Vakio>meglaw: xterm wants some option changed for alt to work as meta key.
15:15<giammarc>or better, in the kernel line there is ro from I do not remember when
15:15<greenmang0>giammarc: my kernel line >> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791
15:15<giammarc>I have tried to put rw there: no effect
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15:16<greenmang0>giammarc: what exactly is your problem?
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15:17<greenmang0>giammarc: ok .. got it
15:17<giammarc>I have tried to use initng, with initramfs AND yaird it tells root file system read only
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15:17<giammarc>basically I have to use yaird
15:18<giammarc>I am forced to
15:18<greenmang0>giammarc: sorry.. no idea then...
15:18<petemc>ive seen situations where you had to use yaird too..
15:18<meglaw>Eulex: yeah like in putty.
15:18<meglaw>Vakio: ohh, remember witch?
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15:20<Vakio>meglaw: it must be "Meta Sends Escape".
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15:21<giammarc>hgok thanks I will google again
15:22<Vakio>meglaw: ctrl-leftclick should open the menu.
15:22<EmleyMoor>I have a growisofs process stuck. How do I unstick it?
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15:22<petemc>EmleyMoor: how long defines stuck for you?
15:23<EmleyMoor>It is taking forever to flush the cache
15:23<petemc>the process has been stuck since time began?
15:23<EmleyMoor>No, the process will remain stuck until time ends unless I take action to unstick it
15:23<petemc>my experience with processes in D state is you can often wait them out
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15:24<meglaw>Vakio: that got it working. added a line to xterm config
15:24<Vakio>meglaw: I was just about to paste the line to you :)
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15:25<meglaw>ok, another problem now. i mark something in xterm, its in copybuffert. i can paste it in other xterms, but not in other windows like firefox
15:25<EmleyMoor>But is it going to be 10 minutes or 10 days?
15:25<meglaw>but when i get a line from firfox, i can paste it in xterm
15:25<petemc>EmleyMoor: that i couldnt answer
15:26<EmleyMoor>meglaw: I can paste into iceweasel OK
15:26<meglaw>i cant
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15:26<EmleyMoor>meglaw: How have you tried to paste?
15:26<meglaw>ctrl-v or shit-ins
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15:27<meglaw>no third butten, and 1+2 emulation does not work
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15:38<marlin>YOUR COOL
15:38<zimm>hi, .. any idea how to get vlc on lenny ?
15:39<amphi_>marlin: what's up with our 'COOL' ?
15:39<Eulex>zimm, I got it from unstable, but that's such a thing that you can't recommend people to do. but it works for me.
15:39<marlin>YE GOODUN
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15:40<zimm>Eulex, i thought about that .. wasnt sure about deps ..
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15:40[~]zimm hasnt had to do much playing around with stuff in the last 12 months
15:40<chealer>zimm: yes
15:41[~]lupine_85 does so
15:42<azeem>marlin: please don't write in all caps?
15:42<amphi>!ops marlin is being the Compleat Asset
15:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi complains about: marlin is being the Compleat Asset
15:42<zimm>ok, tried that, its requesting X etc from sid ..
15:42<lupine_85>hardly an asset :p
15:42|-|mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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15:42|-|mode/#debian [+n] by ChanServ
15:42|-|mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
15:42|-|marlin kicked [#debian] Ganneff [marlin]
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15:42<azeem>1:0 for don
15:42<amphi>thanks Ganneff
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15:43<Eulex>zimm, how did you try?
15:43<zimm>Eulex, added the apt source for vlc in sid from the vlc siste, apt-get update , apt-get install vlc ..
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15:44<Eulex>zimm, if you add the apt source for sid without setting a default-release, apt-get will attempt to upgrade any of the deps of what you install, even if you don't need any newer than you want
15:44<zimm>ok .... makes sense ..
15:44<zimm>refresh my memory re default-release
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15:45<Eulex>zimm, you should either add unstable sources and set a default-release, or downlaod the debs and dpkg -i them
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15:45<dpkg>default-release is probably put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with stable, testing, unstable, experimental or whatever. that will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from
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15:45<Eulex>default-release to testing, that is
15:45<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
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15:46<Eulex>default-release will get everything working in most cases, though.
15:46<Eulex>what you choose to upgrade to unstable versions won't be downgraded (and will also be upgraded to new versions in unstable when they come), and stuff you've installed from testing will track the version in testing
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15:48<zimm>ok, i appear to have got the apt.conf file wrong .. .. care to paste the required line ?
15:48<Eulex>APT::Default-Release "testing";
15:48<zimm>s'ok, missed the semi-colon :)
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15:49<zimm>nah, still same dependency errors .. refusal to installl
15:50<Eulex>you'll have to package/unstable the needed deps of vlc
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15:50<Eulex>if it really is newer X packages it needs, try /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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15:52<zimm>working now :) cheers ..
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15:52[~]zimm had got the sources.list file wrong
15:52<ErJeDi>bye to all
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15:56[~]gcosmin hi'ya
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16:03<gcosmin>can some on help me with this one
16:03<gcosmin>I juts wana to access my partition
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16:08<the-dude>what filesystem?
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16:11<gcosmin>the-dude, a ntfs partition
16:11<gcosmin>I'm one my laptop
16:12<the-dude>did it work before?
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16:14<lupine_85>what is process 4456 ?
16:14<lupine_85>(ps aux |grep 4456)
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16:21<xaba>HELP: I am unable to print... error message:
16:21<xaba>LaserJet-1020 "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"! somebody could help me at pvt?
16:21<cire>hi, do I really have to use non-standard repos for kopete with jingle support? And if, does anybody know such a repo?
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16:22<cire>!tell cire jingle
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16:22<ben_goodger>how do I find my domain name? for some reason there isn't a dhcp client on this debian netinst
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16:23<meglaw>ben_goodger: yeah there is, dhclient?
16:23<ben_goodger>meglaw: "no dhcp client could be found"
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16:25<meglaw>try it in xterm
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16:25<ben_goodger>xterm on a netinst disc?
16:26<meglaw>ah, i get it, ok i dont know. :)
16:26<naudiz>I found two EV-DO usb modems that support Linux. Will most EV-DO USB modems work with Debian Etch or only certain ones ?
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16:30<kantor>hi, I have a question: in the time and date settings (time-admin) when I select the "Synchronize with internet servers" (supposing my time setting is not accurate +/- 20 minutes for example) why tthe time is not corrected, snchronized with the selected time server ? (the ntp server is installed)
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16:54<janux-xmind>hi evrerybody!
16:54<janux-xmind>does someone know how to format a usb key drive into fat on debian?
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16:54<dondelelcaro>janux-xmind: stick it in, and mkfs.vfat /dev/foo; where foo is the usbkey's partition you want to format
16:55<janux-xmind>ok I'm doin it
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16:57<janux-xmind>bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found
16:59<lupine_85>dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat
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17:00<janux-xmind>how do i get my usb key name
17:00<lupine_85>apt-file is your bestest friend in these matters
17:00<janux-xmind>into /dev
17:00<lupine_85>you mean device file?
17:00<janux-xmind>i think so
17:00<chealer>janux-xmind: in dmesg
17:00<lupine_85>when you plugged it in, it will have been assigned one
17:00<lupine_85>the line in dmesg looks like sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
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17:01<lupine_85>(in this case, it's /dev/sdb. the first partition will be /dev/sdb1)
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17:02<lupine_85>make sure it specified removable, in dmesg ;)
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17:03<janux-xmind>bash: sbin/mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory
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17:04<lupine_85>why are you feeding it a relative path?
17:04<lupine_85> / is your friend
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17:05<janux-xmind>is there another way i can format my usb key
17:06<janux-xmind>i want to format my usb key drive on debian into fat
17:07<lupine_85>yes, I know. So why haven't you done it yet?
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17:07<janux-xmind>maybe cus i don't the way i can do it
17:07<janux-xmind>don't know
17:07<lupine_85>mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
17:07<lupine_85>how hard can it be?
17:08<janux-xmind>debian:/# mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
17:08<janux-xmind>bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found
17:08<lupine_85>did you install it yet?
17:09<janux-xmind>which package?
17:09<janux-xmind>what is it's name
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17:09<lupine_85>as in: [22:58] <lupine_85> dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat
17:10<janux-xmind>i goin' check it
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17:11<janux-xmind>no, i didn't install it yet
17:11<janux-xmind>i'm doin it
17:11<debchi>hi all
17:11<lupine_85>hi debchi
17:11<debchi>hi lupine_85 !
17:12<chen>hi every body
17:13<debchi>hi chen
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17:13<chen>hi all
17:14<Vakio>lupine_85: you didn't tell him to install anything. You just pasted apt-file output :P
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17:15<lupine_85>I didn't realise s/he was a dumb terminal
17:15<Weggli>good night
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17:15<chen>apt-get -b source foo will compile all the source of package , but i just want to compile one source of the package ,how can i do it?
17:16<lupine_85>chen: you'd probably need to edit debian/rules
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17:16<janux-xmind>sorry people, i have another prob
17:16<lupine_85>that's assuming the architecture of the source package's build system even allows the change you want to make
17:17<janux-xmind>i think that my usb key drive is in read-only mode, how can i fix this
17:17<lupine_85>it'd be easier to compile the source package in it's entirety, then rm any binary packages you don't want
17:17<lupine_85>janux-xmind: more likely, you don't have permissions to write to it as an ordinary user
17:17<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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17:18<janux-xmind>but i have the same prob on windows system
17:18<lupine_85>if you can't write to it as the root user, then mount -o remount-rw
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17:18<chen>but the package is too large and it take me much time to compile all the free source code ,so i just want to compile some of the source
17:19<lupine_85>is there an ro/rw toggle switch?
17:19<janux-xmind>no switch
17:19<lupine_85>*shrug* not a clue then
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17:19<lupine_85>chen: the bit of the source you're trying to compile might not be amenable to that
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17:20<janux-xmind>when i try to delete a file i get the following message:
17:20<janux-xmind>"/media/usbd...2[1].0).zip" cannot be deleted because it is on a read-only disk.
17:20<lupine_85>if it is, there should be a makefile target just for it (e.g. make foo, rather than make all), so you can modify the debian/rules to call that makefile target, and suppress the other packages being built in debian/control
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17:21<lupine_85>if there is no target, but the source is amenable, you could add the target... if you're 1337...
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17:21<lupine_85>what it says. your disc is read-only
17:21<janux-xmind>but there is no switch on it
17:21<lupine_85>if it's read-only in windows too, it's almost certainly a property of the disc rather than the system accessing the disc
17:22<lupine_85>so you should probably read the user's manual or something
17:22<janux-xmind>that's the reason why i wanted to format it
17:22<lupine_85>yes. because formatting a read-only disc is often successful
17:22<janux-xmind>i couldn't do it on windows
17:23<lupine_85>writing something that is read-only /just doesn't work/
17:23<janux-xmind>i did mkfs on debian but i get the same prob
17:23<lupine_85>gee, i wonder why...
17:23<lupine_85>...hey, maybe the disc is read-only
17:23<janux-xmind>wattu f..
17:24<janux-xmind>if you know a way i can fix my problem, please tell me (write me)
17:25<lupine_85>your user manual will tell you how to stop the disc from being read-only
17:25<janux-xmind>i don't have any usermanual
17:25<lupine_85>it will not involve the OS in any way, shape or form
17:25<lupine_85>well, unless the developers were really retarded
17:26<lupine_85>so... download the manual from the manufacturer's website
17:26<janux-xmind>thank you
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17:26<Weggli>i be back !!!
17:26<tiCo>Weggli: lol
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17:30<ladoga>can anyone suggest a good image viewer for X?
17:31<ladoga>gqview seems to have some problems rendering images when X is running 16bpp color mode
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17:32<lupine_85>ladoga: imagemagick?
17:32<lupine_85>("display <file>")
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17:36<ladoga>lupine_85: display doesnt have a very good image browser or i cant use it..ill keep on searching
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17:37<zimm>ok, second problem of the day ... trying to install xserver-xorg on lenny ... the postinst script keeps just hanging .. this a known issue ?
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17:37<molin>what's that command, for finding out which package contains a file, isn't it apt-file search <name> ?
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17:38<zimm>Setting up xserver-xorg (1:7.2-5) ... << about as far as it gets
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17:42<dondelelcaro>molin: apt-file or dpkg -S foofile;
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17:42<dondelelcaro>molin: or
17:43<lupine_85>apt-file ftw
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17:44<yotta>can anyone tell me how to create a software RAID5 array under linux that will not get confused by device name changes?
17:44<yotta>IE, it will work if i change the order of my SATA drives
17:45<molin>i had missed that I needed to install it :-)
17:46<klys_>yotta: use /etc/raditab
17:46<klys_> /etc/raidtab
17:46<yotta>klys_: how will that help?
17:47<klys_>it lists them in order
17:47<yotta>what if i remove a drive causing the device for other drives to change?
17:47<klys_>then virtualize the naming
17:47<klys_>use symlinks
17:48<yotta>that doesn't work.
17:48<yotta>I tried it.
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17:48<lupine_85>use uuids or labels instead of device names
17:48<yotta>That doesn't work
17:49<lupine_85>it should
17:49<klys_>lupine: how is it different from my approach?
17:49<lupine_85>I don't know what raidtab is :)
17:49<lupine_85>yotta: are you making sure that any changes are propagated to the initramfs, if required?
17:49<yotta>if i create an array, with sda, sdb, sdc, sdd using a V1 superblock, and use mdadm to scan for the uuid, it will not build the array if i shutdown, and remove sdc
17:50<yotta>because sdd becomes sdc
17:50<yotta>and breaks shit
17:50<yotta>it's really pissing me off.
17:50<klys_>obviously all your devices have to be present for raid to work
17:50<yotta>it's raid5
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17:52<yotta>so, since it's raid 5, it should work with 3 out of 4 devices
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17:53<klys_>yotta: it sounds to me like you haven't resolved the hdd -> hdc issue
17:53<klys_>look at raidtab
17:53<yotta>does mdadm even use raidtab?
17:54<klys_>maybe not.
17:54<yotta>I don't have a raidtab file
17:54<dawson>hey im new to debian/linux can any1 ecomend some resources on how to configure it?
17:54<klys_>dawson: dselect, /etc/apt/sources.list,
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17:54<lupine_85>dawson: has all sorts of stuff on how to configure specific things
17:54<lautarus>Hi all
17:55<klys_>dawson: ubuntu forums, `make menuconfig' for your drivers, and ask dpkg about specifics. look at the hardware-howto and use lspci -vvv
17:55<dawson>are there beginner guides?
17:55<klys_>dawson: they are howtos at
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17:55<chen>when i use apt-get , should i be the root ?
17:55<lupine_85>dawson: yep. see
17:55<dawson>ok i'll take a look ty
17:55<lupine_85>chen: yep
17:56<Lounge>you can sudo apt-get, i think
17:56<chen>thank you
17:57<chen>what is sudo mean ,does it mean super user do ?
17:57<Lounge>sudo allows you to do root commands without having to switch to root
17:57<Lounge>sudo=super user do
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17:58<Lounge>gives you a 15 minute time to do it before having to type your passcode in again
17:58<Lounge>like sudo apt-get install <package>
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17:58<lupine_85>assuming sudo is installed, and configured
17:59<dawson>do i have to install drivers for graphics card?
17:59<Lounge>and then for 15 minutes you can sudo with having to type it over & over again
17:59[~]lupine_85 uses is all-seeing eye
17:59<lupine_85>dawson: what graphics card is it? And do you want 3D with that?
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18:00<dawson>its a built in intel card on a toshiba laptop and at the minute i just want a better screen res
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18:00<Lounge>not nvidia?
18:00<klys_>dawson: there is Xorg driver, XFree driver, kernel fb driver, and svgalib driver
18:00<lupine_85>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
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18:01<lupine_85>then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use the new driver
18:01<yotta>so, is RAID5 on linux just totally stupid, then?
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18:01<dawson>im a complete novice i dont know what all that means
18:01<klys_>yotta: check with the kernel maintainers. read the changelogs.
18:01<lupine_85>ok... xserver-xorg-video-intel is a package, which you install with apt (apt-get). it contains drivers
18:02<lupine_85>you can also install it with synaptic or adept if you prefer a graphical frontend
18:02<klys_>dawson: I have described 4 different drivers so you can yse your graphics card in 4 ways
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18:03<dawson>ah so im looking for those packages in synaptic?
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18:05<lupine_85>once you've installed it, you have to tell X to use it. dpkg-reconfigure is a sort-of frontend for that (although it's fairly technical). Easier is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root), look for the line like Driver "vesa" (might be something other than vesa) - change the quoted bit to "i810" (IIRC)
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18:05<lupine_85>then restart X (ctrl+alt+bkspace), and you'll either get cool new effects, or text-only breakage
18:06<zimm>quick nvidia question chaps.... nforce count as legacy ?
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18:11<dawson>lupine_85, i already have xorg and the conf file already says i810
18:12<spooner>hi everybody
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18:16<lupine_85>dawson: 915resolution?
18:16<dpkg>hmm... 915resolution is a tool to transiently modify the video BIOS of 8xx and 9xx Intel integrated graphic chipsets, to achieve certain display resolutions in Xorg/XFree86. After installing, read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian for details. Not required on lenny/testing.
18:17<dawson>use the synaptic thing again?
18:18<dawson>wow installing things is much easier on linu
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18:18<dawson>everything else seems complex tho, suppose its just getting used to it?
18:19<spooner>someone speak spanish
18:19<lupine_85>yeah, you'll get there in the end
18:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:19<listerine>hey. i'm installing debian using the netinstall cd. if i choose to not use a mirror and just install the "very minimal base system", will I then be able to install everything else using aptitude? i'm worried about my network configuration.
18:19<xaba>spooner: hablo español tambien... que pasa?
18:20<kop>listerine: Yes.
18:20<listerine>if i cant connect to the net then i cant install the additional packages
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18:20<lupine_85>listerine: indeed
18:20<lupine_85>although you could download a cd full of packages and add it to apt using apt-cdrom
18:20<zimm>how do i chansge the gcc variable so the nvidia install script will actually run ?
18:21<lupine_85>CC=(something) (command)
18:21<lupine_85>if it doesn't respect the environment variable (and I think it doesn't), then just change the symlink
18:21<lupine_85>(rm /usr/bin/gcc; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc is probably what you want. Don't forget to restore it again afterwards)
18:22<zimm>i'll give it a try, :)
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18:28<listerine>i cant seem to install nmap
18:28<listerine>is it in the default repositories?
18:28<zimm>nice one :) cheers .. i'll leave the n00b who's box it is to tidy up .... i hate installing via ssh :(
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18:29<nirgal>Hi! Do I really have to have a static debian/compat file in packages? Is there a way to generate it on the fly, using "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)" from the control file for example?
18:29<kop>listerine: If you did not set up a network mirror in the install you will need to set one up via editing /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to get packages off the net.
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18:33<dawson>lupine_85, that seems to have sorted it thanks, seems a little long winded just to chnge reolution tho
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18:33<lupine_85>blame it on intel :p
18:34<dawson>yea, i know im gonna have similar problems with my intel wifi card
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18:35<lupine_85>intel wifi isn't too bad
18:35<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
18:35<lupine_85>see? :)
18:35<dawson>i installed slack a while back and wifi was impossible
18:35<lupine_85>(assuming it is a 3945, anywya)
18:35<listerine>lipune_85: why should i do that?
18:36<valdyn>!info nmap
18:36<dpkg>nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.20-2 (sid), Packaged size: 728 kB, Installed size: 2624 kB
18:36<dpkg>nmap is, like, a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself.
18:37<dawson>well im off now thanls for the help lupine_85
18:37<listerine>sorry. was that line for me?
18:38<valdyn>dpkg: nmap is also popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on.
18:38<dpkg>valdyn: okay
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18:39<lupine_85>listerine: oh, totally. because you can obviously use wifi drivers to do the same job as nmap
18:40<zimm>right, im off... thanks for the help all ...
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18:40<listerine>what are wifi drivers?
18:40<listerine>i'm not sure i follow
18:41<listerine>am i being flamed
18:41<valdyn>listerine: no
18:41<valdyn>listerine: dpkg just told you that nmap is in sid, its also in etch anyway
18:41<lupine_85>listerine: wifi drivers are for wireless lan cards
18:41<lupine_85>dpkg: tell listerine about sarcasm
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18:42<listerine>it's too easy to get ctrl-F4 and Alt-F4 mixed up when i use mirc
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18:45<simonrvn>mirc is a POS waiting for something bad to happen to it
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18:46<simonrvn>use xchat or something
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18:54<debchi>what is the adress of the package ia32-libs in sources.list ?
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18:54<debchi>i can't install ia32-libs
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19:04<h2oman> has ? aricz
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19:05<simonrvn>h2oman: don't paste here
19:05<Atomo64>h2oman: please don't flood
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19:10<listerine>i'm looking at a .conf file
19:10<listerine>the tutorial i'm using is telling me to make sure a line is not commented out, but i'm not sure what characters are used for commenting
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19:18<lupine_85>listerine: #, ;, //
19:18<lupine_85>(depending on the context)
19:19<ricky>(Which it would have seemed logical to tell us...)
19:20<lupine_85>meh. basically, any weird character(s) at the start of a line
19:20<lupine_85>also, beware multi-line comments (like /* ... */) - though they're rare in config files
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19:21<sven>hi there my debian etch has following problem video playback is lagging after fresh installing and i need to know whats the name of the driver for xorg entry that my X850XT gives me basic 2D hardware acceleration that i can play videos lagfree
19:22<lupine_85>ati ? radeon ? you might need fglrx (if you're unlucky)
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19:23<sven_>sorry router crashed um i dont need fglrx since i dont need 3D yet i only need the free driver name to put in inside xorg file to have 2D acceleration for smooth video playback :)
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19:25<sven_>radeon seems to be the right one let me try :)
19:25<sven_>cause it is "vesa" actually i couldnt play just video smooth
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19:25<sven_>okay X restart
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19:31<sven>okay it was "radeon" now video runs smooth thank you very much :)
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19:38<lubos>how do I implement boot screen in debian. I want to comevr all beet messages with image..any hints please. thanks
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19:39<gamma>any one in here?
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19:46<gamma>do u know vga=
19:46<gamma>well whats the code for 1080p
19:46<gamma>er 1680x1050
19:46<lupine_85>oh wow
19:47<gamma>do u know it?
19:48<treyh0>how come the debian install cd has a pretty splash logo on some computers but others its a big white block?
19:48<lupine_85>1280x1024 in 24-bit colour is 0381, I know that much
19:48<gamma>idk and i dont care
19:49<lupine_85>wow, that's a lot of fail right there
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19:49<Atomo64>lubos: what are you using? stable(etch), testing, sid,...?
19:49<listerine>treyh0: icons. it's all about icons. the vendor must not have included an icon for the one you see that doesn't have the logo
19:50<lupine_85>1600x1200 is also a valid mode
19:50<lupine_85>looks like 1680x1050 isn't
19:50<gamma>the defult file browser
19:50<lupine_85>(or hasn't been added yet, at any rate)
19:50<gamma>i hate the new windows
19:51<lubos>Atomo64: etch
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19:51<gamma>any way to fix that
19:51<treyh0>listerine: you smoking something?
19:52<Atomo64>lubos: if you know, and want to do it, install the bootsplash and linux-patch-bootsplash packages, recompile the kernel with the patch and there you got your nice boot splash
19:52<Atomo64>lubos: otherwise, grab splashy* from sid
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19:52<Atomo64>which does not require kernel patching
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19:53<gamma>anyone know how to prevent new widows on folder open?
19:54<gamma>or simply have a better file browser
19:54<Atomo64>treyh0: AFAIR it has something to do with frame buffers
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19:55<azeem>gamma: nautilus-file-management-properties->Behaviour->Always Open in Browser
19:56<lubos>Atomo64: when I installed bootsplash it automaticale recompiled initrd image. I get graphical grub but wehn I boot the image doeas not get displayed. Is it necessary to recompile kernel?
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19:56<gamma>also there is a delay in my audio when i'm playing a vid
19:56<Atomo64>lubos: yes, with bootsplash you absolutely have to recompile the kernel
19:57<gamma>like a 1 or 2 sec delay
19:57<gamma>i'm useing amd64
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19:58<Supaplex>gamma: too many bits for the audio. oh noes! ;)
19:58<lubos>Atomo64: so when I have ability to display picture for grub boot screen it does not mean that I have the ability to display picture on boot?
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20:01<Atomo64>lubos: the graphical boot is provided by the grub-splashimages, not bootsplash
20:01<Guest1206>Any person talk spanish? plz¿?
20:02<Guest1206>i have a problem..
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20:04<brigan>what is the web site for posting so not to flood the channel
20:05<lubos>Atomo64: strange... thanks...
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20:05<brigan>ok can some one help me im in depndency hell
20:06<brigan>this it what is says and i cant find repositories
20:06<Atomo64>brigan: can you provide some more information?
20:08<brigan>i installed debian 4.0 etch and it dident come with repositories im not new to linux or debian i just can get it to do what i want
20:09<brigan>nor can i find kernel- source
20:09<Atomo64>brigan: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list (in a pastebin, of course)
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20:10<gsimmons_>brigan: It's since been renamed to linux-source (eg. 'linux-source-2.6.18').
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20:13<Atomo64>brigan: by the way, apt-get update and then try to install the package
20:13<brigan>im having a problem with pase bin
20:13<brigan>one sec
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20:15<brigan>is there another program like pase bin
20:15<Matworms>what is your problem?
20:16<brigan>got it
20:17<brigan>it dident want to post for some reason
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20:18<Matworms>maybe because you didn't select the appropriate syntax highlighting?
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20:19<brigan> proally liol
20:19<Atomo64>brigan: did you already try to apt-get update?
20:20<Atomo64>brigan: and FYI, firefox is iceweasel, so you don't need to use that outdated package you have at the end of sources.list
20:20<brigan>i did that
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20:22<Matworms>I have to sleep :D
20:22<Matworms>good night people
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20:23<Atomo64>brigan: then one of the multiple repositories you are installing from has a newer version of the package compiled with newer versions of the libraries, making it impossible to be installed in etch
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20:23<brigan>wich one
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20:25<Atomo64>brigan: well, I can't tell you without checking all of them, so I'd recommend you to stick with the * ones
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20:26<brigan>could you just give me a list of the repos you use i just want it to work lol
20:27<Atomo64>brigan: I don't use stable (etch), I use a mix of testing, unstable and experimental
20:27<brigan>i had problems with ubuntu and other distros so i was tryin out debain to use as a desktop and i hit this little snag
20:27<brigan>thats fine i want to run compis fusion any way
20:27<brigan>and bleeding edge stuff
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20:30<Atomo64>brigan: I don't use beryl/compiz, so I can't help you with that. But what I can tell you is that you should not mix different distributions if you are not experienced and don't want to learn the hard way, so stick with etch and don't use unstable
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20:31<chealer>well, sticking with Etch is a bad idea if one want bleeding edge stuff.
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20:31<brigan>well right now i cant even get emerald to load so beryl works and emerald dosent lol there has to be a complete list of repsoitories some where
20:32<MrJoey>Is there a Debian Etch PPC package for boost? (specifically boost::bind)
20:32<Atomo64>chealer: but he should first learn how to play a little with the system before trying to upgrade to testing (which I recommend) or to unstable
20:32<MrJoey>Or do I need to build it from source?
20:33<Atomo64>MrJoey: 'apt-cache search' is your friend ;-)
20:33<brigan>yea but what debian deems stable is 4 years old
20:33<Atomo64>brigan: it ain't 4 years old, etch was released early this year, with all the versions available at the time testing was frozen
20:34<MrJoey>Wow, thanks. That workd
20:34<brigan>i just want to play
20:35<dondelelcaro>hell, we haven't had any releases that have been that old
20:35<Atomo64>brigan: like I said to chealer, you should first learn to use the basics of your system and then try to upgrade to testing, which has, almost, the latest versions of all the packages
20:35<MrJoey>I didn't know I had all those other packages to use; I thought I was limited to what I found in /var/lib/dpkg/available
20:37<chealer>Atomo64: I think learning on testing can be fine
20:38<MrJoey>And I wonder if anybody happens to know if there's a way to do right-click pasting on an iBook without having to plug in a peripheral like a mouse
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20:39<MrJoey>Is there some fn+alt+...+... combo that is equivalent to shift+Insert?
20:39<MrJoey>The alt isn't necessary, that was just to illustrate
20:39<brigan>i just wanted the repos
20:39<Atomo64>chealer: the first thing he should learn is not to mix distros; if he is not really aware of what is the difference between the distros and how to switch from one to the other I would not recommend him to even try to switch to testing or unstable
20:40<Atomo64>MrJoey: ctrl+v ?
20:40<MrJoey>I don't think that will work when copying and pasting from terminals
20:41<MrJoey>Currently, the only way I know to copy and paste from terminals on this iBook is by plugging in my USB wireless mouse and middle clicking that way
20:42<Atomo64>MrJoey: it all depends on your definition of terminal, konsole has a right click menu allowing you to paste ;-)
20:42<brigan>well ok how do i make compiz fusion emerald or beryl work without those repos ? i came to debian because my ubuntu kept crashing tried mandriva dident want to recompile arch or gentoo so ?
20:43<MrJoey>Umm.... I don't have a right mouse button.
20:43<MrJoey>Unless I use that mouse again
20:43<MrJoey>I wonder if Xorg has a way to emulate a 2-button mouse
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20:44<Atomo64>MrJoey: well, I can't really help you, I don't like macbooks (and similar) and thus I don't use them
20:44<brigan>by the way mandriva blows
20:45<amphi>brigan: in what way?
20:45<Atomo64>brigan: beryl seems not to be available anywhere in debian, ... but all the other packages you mentioned seems to be available in etch
20:45<brigan>its just chunky and to heavy slow even on my 64bit 3.0 ghz dual core
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20:46<Atomo64>MrJoey: I have no idea, the only thing I know xorg can emulate is a 5 buttons mouse (three because of the scroller)
20:46<brigan>yes but like i said i dependency issues when i try to load them im apt-get or synaptic
20:46<amphi>brigan: BTW, the repository of shame has unofficial packages for sid, that work on testing AFAIK
20:47<amphi>brigan: compiz-fusion that is; he also had beryl packages
20:47<chealer>Atomo64: they're not.
20:47<MrJoey>I have an ALPS trackpad (I think) and I read somewhere that the synaptics driver also works for ALPS. However, I tried setting options to get rid of tap clicking, but it was of no avail
20:48<MrJoey>If that worked, I would have circular scrolling, right mouse emulation, and everything
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20:54<grimmy>hello anyone there
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20:57<naudiz>I don't have the ppp commands pon and poff in Debian Etch
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20:58<weasel>I'm sure you could have used that page too.
20:59<MrJoey>Quick question: When I use apt-cache search *, how do I make it case insensitive
20:59<weasel>that's a trick question, right?
20:59<MrJoey>I just don't know how to do it
20:59<weasel>it already is?
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20:59<MrJoey>Is it? I don't think so
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21:00<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ apt-cache search POSTGRES | wc -l
21:00<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ apt-cache search postgres | wc -l
21:00<weasel>probably is
21:00<MrJoey>Okay, maybe it is
21:00<naudiz>weasel: thanks
21:00<MrJoey>Yes, it is
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21:08<chealer>is there any 802.11g MiniCard with free drivers?
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21:12<lupine_85>chealer: how free does it need to be?
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21:12<lupine_85>ralink are recommended by the FSF, anyway
21:13<chealer>lupine_85: DFSG-free, including the firmware
21:13<chealer>if firmware is needed
21:14<lupine_85>ralink or intel is as close as you're going to get
21:14<lubos>I got kernel version 2.6.18-5-686 and I'm trying to patch kernil with bootsplash patch. However there is bootsplash*.diff for may verison of kernel. Can I use bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.14.diff.gz. thanks
21:15<Atomo64>lubos: the kernel is usually recompiled with the make-kpkg tool (see: kernel-package), so you can make it automatically patch the kernel
21:16<Atomo64>lubos: but like I said before, I recommend you to use splashy
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21:18<lubos>Atomo64: splashy has a lot prerequisites , I did install splashy from sid but it did not work at all..:-(
21:18<eric>Good evening...I have a question with an issue that I am having attempting to copy or move very large movie file from my laptop to my server...I keep trying both Konquror and command line but it won't copy the entire 2.6GB file any suggestions?
21:19<NIC1138>hello there... I'm trying out to install lenny in my new machine (etch was freezing). But the debian-installer complained about not having kernel modules avaiable. What is wrong here, what version of the CD should I have downloaded?...
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21:19<dli>eric, what fs? both ends
21:20<chealer>NIC1138: which image did you download?
21:20<eric>dii: I am using ext3 on my laptop and ext3 on the server, but I am connecting to the server using Samba so that might be part of the issue, not sure
21:20<dli>eric, try nfs/sshfs/scp
21:20<NIC1138> 07-Oct-2007 22:59 121M
21:21<Atomo64>lubos: it is pretty straightforward, just install it and make sure the kernel is booted with the 'splash' option
21:21<eric>dii: ok sorry for this but I am still a relatively new user :) is scp a different copy command?
21:21<JoeyAdams>It's for copying over SSH
21:22<lubos>Atomo64: let me try again..
21:22<JoeyAdams>NIC1138 > Every time that's happened to me, it was because of a kernel version mixup.
21:22<eric>so I need to connect to my server from inside my network using ssh?
21:22<JoeyAdams>I think you have to.
21:22<JoeyAdams>What you do is:
21:22<JoeyAdams>Suppose you have computers and
21:23<dli>eric, yes, apt-get install ssh
21:23<NIC1138>joey > and how can I check the versions, so I can make sure it will work?...
21:23<JoeyAdams> is the one you're sitting at, and is the dest.
21:23<dli>eric, on both machine
21:23<JoeyAdams>ls /lib/modules
21:23<JoeyAdams>uname -r
21:23<JoeyAdams>Are they the same version? If yes, then you have the right modules for kernel
21:23<eric>dii...ok thanks I am off to do some research :)
21:23<JoeyAdams>If /lib/modules is missing or empty, then something isn't mounted or you don't have any kernel modules
21:23<eric>thanks folks
21:24<NIC1138>I believe I don't have any kernel modules... wasn't that supposed to come with the .iso?
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21:24<JoeyAdams>Are you in the installer?
21:25<JoeyAdams>Or did you already install it?
21:25<JoeyAdams>Because the Debian installer loads things incrementally (according to my experience)
21:25<JoeyAdams>For instance, it won't load parted until it's time to format your disks
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21:26<lubos>Atomo64: do you want me to install just package of splashy or modify sources.list to sid and then use apt-get tool.? BTW thanks for help
21:26<NIC1138>I turned the thing off already (I have to share the internet cable). It was right in the beginning of the installation...
21:26<chealer>NIC1138: yes. you're using a 64-bit CPU, right?
21:26<JoeyAdams>So it had already installed, and you interrupted it? Or did you interrupt it after it finished a step of the install
21:27<JoeyAdams>I'm guessing you need to reinstall fresh
21:27<JoeyAdams>But I'm no expert
21:27<NIC1138>I'm trying to install fresh. It complained about not having modules right after I chose the language
21:27<Atomo64>lubos: that is completely up to you, but splashy depends on some other *splashy* packages, so if don't add sid as a rep you will also have to manually download and install those packages
21:28<NIC1138>... I tried out etch, but the thing is freezing randomly. I guessed a newer kernel version might help, but I'm not even sure what is the version in lenny!... Where can I read that!?...
21:28<JoeyAdams>uname -r
21:28<NIC1138>My fear is that the machine might have something wrong (like bad mamory), it's brand-new
21:28<JoeyAdams>You need to ctrl+alt+f2 into a terminal
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21:29<JoeyAdams>If you need to do a memory test, use memtest86+
21:29<JoeyAdams>I don't know if the debian CD has it
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21:29<NIC1138>well, suppose I don't have the modules, what should I do then?...
21:29<JoeyAdams>Are you able to complete the install?
21:30<NIC1138>I didn't expect those daily builds to have such a problem! :S
21:30<NIC1138>no, this happened right in the beginning, after I chose my language.
21:30<JoeyAdams>You can't even continue?
21:30<NIC1138>I tried to move on, but then he dind't find the network card, because of the lack of modules
21:30<JoeyAdams>You should be able to continue
21:30<chealer>NIC1138: please provide the error messages, or at least the first one.
21:30<JoeyAdams>That's what I was about to ask
21:31<JoeyAdams>Some network configurations don't even need modules, if I'm not mistaken
21:31<NIC1138>chealer: he said something about not finding the kernel modules, and the vesion of the d-i probably being caompiled with a different kernel version. I can boot it again if you want it more specifically...
21:31<NIC1138>"it" said, sorry :)
21:31<JoeyAdams>Debian Woody on my 66MHz PowerPC can use the ethernet, and none of the modules can be used
21:32<JoeyAdams>When you boot, press tab. Maybe there are other kernels you can use
21:32<JoeyAdams>Like a 64-bit or an expert mode
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21:32<MrKeuner>hi, where does the trackerd keep its database?
21:32<JoeyAdams>I don't know how the Debian CD works on a PC, I've only used it on my iBook
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21:35<lubos>Atomo64: splashy packages are fine, what I got trouble with is
21:37<lubos>Atomo64: zlib1g and libc6 version problems..
21:37<lubos>Atomo64: not sure now what is easier..
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21:40<MrKeuner>I deleted beagle database I hope trackers is not using it as well
21:41<Atomo64>lubos: didn't you say you were using testing?
21:41<NIC1138>...aren't problems like this I'm having supposed to show up in a page like this?... :(
21:42<lubos>I said etch...
21:42<lubos>Atomo64: I said etch ... :-(
21:43<Atomo64>lubos: sorry, I tough you said testing. You should add sid as a deb-src in your sources.list, apt-get build-deps splashy; apt-get -b source splashy
21:43<Atomo64>lubos: and then install it
21:43<chealer>NIC1138: it's hard to say until the problem is properly described
21:45<lubos>Atomo64: no problem..ok give me couple minutes I try that..
21:45<NIC1138>I saw a message in the debian-doot list of someone with a similar problem... I'll try the netboot image
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21:52<lubos>Atomo64: did you mean apt-get build-deps splashy or apt-get build-dep splashy ?apt-get build-deps is not available on my system.
21:53<Atomo64>lubos: my typo, sorry: apt-get build-dep splashy
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21:57<naudiz>swap space should be twice the size of your RAM right ?
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22:00<desperate>where are Opera bookmards saved?
22:00<desperate>can't find them
22:02<desperate>anyone arond?
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22:02<lubos>Atomo64: ok this is done... kernel splash option .. is this what you ment:
22:02<desperate>I made an inquiry if noone has noticed it
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22:05<blarson>desperate: When you enquire about a program Debian doesn't distribute, don't be suprised when noone here knows much about it.
22:05<Atomo64>desperate: sometimes it takes time for people to see the messages, people usually don't sit and wait 'till somebody asks something
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22:05<Atomo64>desperate: and FYI, you should take a look at $HOME/.opera/
22:06<linxa>i would like to configurate the power botton
22:07<desperate>Atomo64: ok i got it
22:07<linxa>i need that the system shows me if i want to suspend, hinernate, etc when i active the power botom
22:07<desperate>I exported them
22:07<linxa>anybody help me
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22:07<linxa>i use Etch debian
22:07<desperate>by the way... I love how you can do "rm -r .fooconfiguration" :D
22:08<desperate>hinernate, botom @_@
22:08<desperate>w00t language do you retort?
22:09<linxa>hibernate, button
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22:10<linxa>i want to suspend, hibernate when i push the power button
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22:11<desperate>linxa: give up... that's what I did with my laptop. I am using it without batteries currently
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22:12<linxa>i don't understand you
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22:12<desperate>linxa: I never found a solution to power management on my laptop, so I gave up
22:13<arrrgrrr>what was the issue, desperate
22:14<linxa>let me try
22:14<linxa>'cause in kubuntu, the events of power button work fine
22:15<linxa>what do you want to do i your laptop
22:15<lubos>Atomo64: same problem as before... Splashy ERROR: Couldn't splashy_start_splashy(). Error -2 :-(
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22:15<rock>Ater X terminating, console screenscroll will be very slow, how to fix it ?
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22:16<JoeyAdams>rock> Are you able to SSH into that machine with another one?
22:16<JoeyAdams>That way, you don't have to have X running on the one you want to close X on
22:16<rock>all in local machine
22:17<JoeyAdams>Maybe the Linux framebuffer driver for your graphics card isn't available. It ought to be (unless it's really really new)
22:17<JoeyAdams>Unless you're running a slow computer
22:18<JoeyAdams>What exactly are you trying to do when you quit X?
22:18<rock>AMD 3800 ,not slow?
22:18<JoeyAdams>That's not slow at all
22:18<JoeyAdams>What graphics card are you using?
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22:19<rock>ATI Xpress 1150
22:19<linxa>hi again
22:19<rock>use vesa driver framebuffer
22:19<JoeyAdams>I guess that's really new?
22:20<Atomo64>lubos: hmm, does give any hints?
22:20<JoeyAdams>If I'm not mistaken, there's two drivers you need, one for the terminal mode (no graphics; what you see when you start up), and one for X
22:21<JoeyAdams>The terminal-mode graphics driver should be in the Linux kernel
22:21<lubos>Atomo64: yes I'm follwing this site..but no hints yet..
22:22<desperate>linxa: if it works fine in Kubuntu why are u bothering about Debian?
22:23<rock>JoeyAdams: i have both of them
22:23<JoeyAdams>Then why is the terminal-mode so slow?
22:23<lubos>Atomo64: this error can mean anything...
22:23<JoeyAdams>Or are you talking about X11 mode?
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22:25<rock>before X, it's fast, after i finished some X app and quit X, it became slow
22:26<rock>before running X
22:26<JoeyAdams>Does it look slow graphically? (screen wiping when redraws happen)
22:26<JoeyAdams>Or is it just the computer being slow?
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22:26<rock>maybe the first one
22:28<JoeyAdams>Maybe the monitor changed resolution
22:28<rock>no resolution changed
22:28<JoeyAdams>And the terminal framebuffer didn't keep up with it
22:30<JoeyAdams>Perhaps you could try installing/using the "radeon" driver instead of "vesa"
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22:30<JoeyAdams>edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, see if it says Driver "vesa" anywhere
22:30<JoeyAdams>And change it to say Driver "radeon"
22:31<JoeyAdams>That should give you graphical acceleration, for one thing
22:31<JoeyAdams>And there's a chance it might also make the terminal run well, too
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22:34<rock>i use fglrx driver
22:35<rock>JoeyAdams: thank you, i think it's maybe the kernel issue
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22:36<mottleddragon>is debian good to build bleeding edge applications / development of open source?
22:36<chealer>mottleddragon: depends on the suite.
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22:38<mottleddragon>chealer: that is..?
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22:39<JoeyAdams>Now I have a similar question marginally related to debian ;)
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22:40<JoeyAdams>Why is the vesa driver on my Cirrus 7543 video chipset so d*** slow? I'm using DSL linux
22:40<JoeyAdams>I can't use "cirrus" because they skipped over 7543 support
22:40<Supaplex>because vesa is the slow.
22:41<Supaplex>I remember when I used inline assembly for vesa access to the screen.
22:41<JoeyAdams>I wonder if it's possible to install Debian and install XFree86 earlier than 4.0
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22:42<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: it's only a 13 year old technology (with some enhancements along the way)
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22:43<JoeyAdams>Too bad VESA doesn't support standardized direct blits (or does it?)
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22:43<chealer>mottleddragon: it's the "version"
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22:44<desperate>JoeyAdams: dude use freaking Xorg for fancy stuff
22:44<JoeyAdams>My laptop is not "Fancy stuff" :)
22:44<JoeyAdams>It's a 90MHz Pentium 1
22:45<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: Unfortunately, the older versions of VBE (those bundled with older video cards) supported only a real mode interface, which couldn't be used without a significant performance penalty from within protected mode
22:45<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: my router has more umph :P
22:46<JoeyAdams>It has 700MB of space, no networking, and no CD drive
22:46<Supaplex>not even serial?
22:46<Supaplex>I used ppp last time I was stuck in that situation
22:46<JoeyAdams>It has that, but I don't have anything to connect it to internet
22:46<JoeyAdams>It does have floppy
22:46<JoeyAdams>and I bought a CompactFlash reader/writer
22:47<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: is it a pcmcia-cf sled?
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22:47<Supaplex>cool. I think I have one of those around here somewhere
22:47<JoeyAdams>The only way I managed to install DSL linux on there was to repartition the hard disk, use the 128MB CompactFlash with a couple Linux floppies to copy the installer ISO into a partition, then run with the installer partition
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22:48<arrrgrrr>what are you trying to use it for?
22:48<JoeyAdams>I just want it to be useful so I can sell it :)
22:48<JoeyAdams>Or at least use it for the sake of having something that at least looks like a piece of crap
22:49<JoeyAdams>Carrying an old laptop into public has a much different impression than carrying an iBook into public :)
22:49<JoeyAdams>People might think I stole the latter ;)
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22:50[~]Supaplex caresses his ibook
22:50<amphi>JoeyAdams: 90mhz p1? heh, I have an old toshiba like that
22:50<arrrgrrr>no human-machine affection here!
22:50<JoeyAdams>Maybe I should just put Windows back on that old laptop and sell it on eBay
22:50<Supaplex>arrrgrrr: no touchie! :)
22:50<JoeyAdams> /callvote kick arrgrrr "Ruining the fun"
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22:50<arrrgrrr>JoeyAdams: lol how much are you expecting to get for that old junk?
22:50<amphi>JoeyAdams: netbsd runs on it ;)
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22:51<JoeyAdams>I expect to get about a half a square foot of free space in my room for it :)
22:51<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: parting out the lcd might be more than the system is worth. see if it's in any higher demand...
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22:52<arrrgrrr>yeah, the lcd might be worth more than the whole laptop
22:52<Supaplex>or in his case, even the backlight or psu. :p
22:52<arrrgrrr>which only makes sense in the ebay world :-D
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22:52<JoeyAdams>It'd be nice if I could case-swap it with my iBook :)
22:53<JoeyAdams>That way, it'd look like I was carrying around an old comp, but it would be an iBook instead
22:53<JoeyAdams>Of course, then I'd have to sell the fake :D
22:53<JoeyAdams>i-Compaq LTE 5100: $600!!!
22:53<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: my friend did that with a compro portable. (a dense tank with wheels)
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22:56<Supaplex>JoeyAdams: oh, actually it was a ps/2 luggable. he passed up the compro
22:56<Supaplex>an ibm rellic :P
22:57[~]Supaplex waves
22:57<lisa696>any person have etterreal?
22:57<lisa696>or wireshark... ?
22:57<Supaplex>!anyone use etheral
22:57<dpkg>No, no one uses etheral, not even the people who use it.
22:57<meglaw>urk, its 6am here.
22:57<lisa696>i need help
22:58<Supaplex>!tell lisa696 -about ask
22:58<arrrgrrr>just ask
22:58<meglaw>and i need to take a tram, a buss, a train and a buss b4 i get were im goinbg
22:59[~]Supaplex wraps up meglaw in packing film, tape, and affixes a fexex sticker "Aboduabi" and kicks em' out the door
22:59<lisa696>I need a program.. for inject tcp trafic...
22:59<lisa696>with X... ???
22:59<lisa696>x interf....
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22:59<Supaplex>lisa696: tcpreplay can
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23:00<lisa696>mmm but...
23:00<lisa696>tcpreplay is for shell...
23:00<Supaplex>lisa696: explain what you're trying to do. there's so many options
23:00<lisa696>i need with X???
23:00<lisa696>tcpreplay.. is good. but...
23:01<Supaplex>so run it in a terminal emulator
23:01<Supaplex>? like xterm, konsole, etc
23:02<Supaplex>apt-cache search inject
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23:04<lisa696>supaplex.. every program... work only with shell
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23:04<lisa696>I need for X
23:05<arrrgrrr>You type like a noob too :(
23:05<arrrgrrr>look at ettercap
23:05<arrrgrrr>it has a gui
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23:08<chealer>dpkg: ping
23:08<chealer>dpkg: rpm
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23:09<Supaplex>lisa696: newbs and experts alike are able to learn new information. if you don't know how tcpreplay works, try installing it first. then run "man tcpreplay" and see how you use it.
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23:10<JoeyAdams>It also helps to use an IRC channel when you have specific questions
23:10<Supaplex>!tell lisa696 -about smart questions
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23:10<Supaplex>!tell lisa696 -about grounding
23:10<Supaplex>lisa696: just some extra helpfull info.
23:10<chealer>!listkeys rpm
23:10<dpkg>Factoid search of 'rpm' by key (15 of 17): #debian rpm ;; #debian rpm vs dpkg ;; #debian-bots rpm ;; _default dpkg vs rpm ;; _default rpm ;; _default rpm vs dpkg ;; _default rpms ;; and rpm ;; apt4rpm ;; knowing about gnorpm ;; rpm -qa ;; ;; rpms ;; rpmupgrade ;; urpmi.
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23:12<chealer>how do you get that factoid?
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23:12<Supaplex>which factiod? there's 15 matching hits.
23:12<dpkg>i heard rpms is
23:12<Supaplex>well 17, but only 15 displayed.
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23:14<chealer>dpkg: rpm is Red Hat's Package Manager, and the file format for its packages. alien can convert a .rpm package to a .deb.
23:14<dpkg>chealer: okay
23:15<chealer>how can a file be extracted from a rpm?
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23:15<Supaplex>install rpm. it'll covert it to a cpio
23:16<Supaplex>or if it's a deb, use ar -x
23:16<Supaplex>dpkg: rpm is also converts to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio (in the rpm debian package)
23:16<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
23:17<Supaplex>dpkg: rpm =~ s/rpm2cpio/rpm2cpio command/
23:17<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
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23:19<lisa696>any person talk spanish?
23:20<chen>no , english only .please
23:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:21<chealer>eww. at least it worked. thanks Supaplex.
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23:24<chen>hi bitch
23:24<Supaplex>debchi: ignore the troll
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23:31<debchi>Supalex : troll ??
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23:33<Supaplex>debchi: chen's rude greeting
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23:34<debchi>Supaplex : ok i see ;() thaks !
23:34<debchi>thanks !
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