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00:10<alaya>sterben means "to die" in german. alle means "all"
00:12<alaya>dude i think your nick set off the deutsche carnivore alarm
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00:15<Supaplex>comical. :)
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00:31<indraveni>hi all
00:31<indraveni>could someone tell me, why does the command, v4l-conf give and output like
00:31<indraveni>ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument
00:32<indraveni>what should i do to rectify this error
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02:09<flair>how is there a way to set my box up to act as a PXE server where users can restore Windows images?
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02:10<flair>something like ghost boot
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02:11<Supaplex>flair: pxegrub rawks. :) but uhm.. not sure about the wind0ze portion...
02:11<flair>Thanks Supaplex, I'll have a look at it..
02:11<flair>yeah I don't think its possible.. been researching for 2 days straight now...
02:11<flair>thought i could come up with a new solution for work with just a nix box
02:11<flair>bleh =/
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02:13<Requiem>anybody know what a good quality soundcard would be for Linux?
02:13<gsimmons_>flair: You should be able to use the Live CD of Clonezilla - essentially a front-end to partimage, ntfsclone, dd et al - on a PXE server.
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02:14<flair>interesting. I'll sus that out now. Thanks mate.
02:14<Requiem>(And please, for the love of all that is unholy, don't say a soundblaster live)
02:14<Supaplex>flair: you could craft your own
02:15<flair>Supaplex: I wish I was that flair. :)
02:15<flair>anyways thanks for the help guys. gtg
02:15<gsimmons_>flair: There's a brief HOWTO on the CentOS Wiki <> which you can adjust to you needs.
02:15<flair>have a good one. :)
02:15<flair>thanks gsimmons_ once again.
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02:15<flair>Will look into it
02:15<Supaplex>flair: vague recall of linux ghost or something.
02:16<flair>Supaplex: PING - P[something] Is Not Ghost?
02:17<flair>anywho laters!
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02:18<Supaplex>I suppose. *shrug*
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02:24<Nemoder>I'm having a strange problem with the alsa oss emu driver, if I run 'aplay somefile.wav' everything is fine but if I run 'play somefile.wav' I get a bunch of audio garbage tacked onto the end
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02:26<Nemoder>Basically anything that uses alsa sounds fine but anything with an oss interface has garbage on it, anyone have any ideas what would cause that?
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02:35<nismo>hi there
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02:38<nismo>i'm getting the error message "disk might not be spun down properly" during the shutdown it a bug or a serious error?
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02:46<jm_>nismo: which kernel version?
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02:49<jm_>possibly related to
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02:49<nismo>jm_: yes,i visited that page...
02:51<nismo>but i cannot figure out what to do...
02:52<jm_>nismo: find out if shutdown in your version does the required task
02:52<jm_>or maybe libata.spindown_compat option can help
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02:55<nismo>jm_: sorry,but i'm a newbie...i don't know how to do that..but thx for trying to help me
02:56<nismo>jm_: i found this is it a good solution?
02:56<jm_>nismo: reading through package changelog for shutdown might help
02:58<jm_>nismo: which command does it run with that flag?
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02:59<jm_>nismo: yeah looks OK
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03:00<nismo>jm_: i don't understand your previous question
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03:01<agus>somebody knows how can i add the module ide-scsi? modprob can't find it
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03:01<jm_>nismo: ignore it, just do what it says
03:01<jm_>agus: which kernel version are you using?
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03:02<agus>i read that doesn t need it, but also de cdrecord yes
03:02<jm_>yeah you don't need it
03:03<agus>so what i need to use cdrecord?
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03:03<jm_>just specify its real device, not scsi and it'll work
03:03<nismo>jm_: someone told me that my problem is a bug of Toshiba disks.according to him these disks does not report the poweroffready correctly
03:04<jm_>nismo: naah I don't think that's it
03:05<agus>ok, thank you i will see the man
03:05<jm_>agus: i.e. grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable and use that device
03:05<jm_>probably hda or hdc or so
03:06<agus>hdc and hdb
03:06<nismo>i edited /etc/init.d/halt .. so i'm shutting down to see if it helps or not
03:06<agus>but i was trying with cdroast
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03:07<agus>and i can't make it work, so i think i should try first cdrecord, but i never use it, so it will take a little read, it's ok
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03:08<agus>but thanks to get me out of doubt
03:09<agus>i was lousing my patience with the kernel thing
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03:58<orjan>Is there any way to open a safari .webarchive file on a debian box?
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04:24<linuxfce> /msg bots NOT people
04:25<linuxfce>THIS IS NOT #ubuntu
04:25<petemc>you dont need to paste the guidelines into the channel
04:25<linuxfce>oh, ok.
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04:28<linuxfce>are you sure nobody forgot them?
04:29<JasonS>linuxfce: they usually have but its still not necessary
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04:38<gsimmons_>orjan: Not that I'm aware. You can extract its contents while in Mac OS X (eg. using Archive Extractor:, then transfer over to your Debian system.
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04:40<OSuKaRu^-^>i'm trying to make work the gnopernicus, but, i didnt listen any voice!
04:40<OSuKaRu^-^>any help?
04:41<OSuKaRu^-^>i think the problem is in the Festival engine.
04:41<OSuKaRu^-^>dont work too
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04:43<radoo>hi!i have a question: why is so important not to work in root mode?
04:43<gsimmons_>!running as root
04:43<dpkg>hmm... running as root is in short suicidal. Root gives you privelege that you don't really need as a regular user, and as such running as root opens you up to making stupid mistakes - and believe me, you *will* make stupid mistakes.
04:44<Gathond>radoo: because the damage you can do it so much less when you are not root
04:44<padski>radoo: principle of leat privilege
04:44<linuxfce>how does not running as root keep you from making mistakes
04:45<linuxfce>all that happens then is you enter your password and make the mistake
04:45<radoo>i see...then i have another question: why is so emphasised i should beware my own password? i mean, if somebody really what's to damage my account or delete data or so, one could always boot from a live-cd and make whatever he likes...
04:45<padski>linuxfce: eventually you get tired of shooting yourself in the foot.
04:46<linuxfce>not if the disk is write protected
04:46<padski>radoo: physical security is not the same as security of credentials. there are different threats.
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04:47<radoo>i heard there are no viruses and security thearth in linux...true?
04:47<JasonS>radoo: to a certain extent that is true
04:47<padski>thearth ?
04:47<linuxfce>you have to be much stupider to get a virus on linux
04:48<bastiaan>someone here knows if there is a kernel package for debian etch with VServer AND ipv6 capability available somewhere?
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04:48<radoo>sorry, i missspeled that :) Threats
04:49<JasonS> now its wikipedia so its worth the paper its on but still...
04:49<padski>bastiaan: dpkg -l 'linux-image*vserver*' | grep -v foo
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04:49<padski>bastiaan: fairly certain ipv6 is in them all.
04:50<bastiaan>padski: not here...
04:50<bastiaan>padski: shell:/# ping6
04:50<bastiaan>padski: socket: Address family not supported by protocol
04:50<radoo>another question: i think it would be fair not only use debian- i love it- i would like to offer myself as volonteer as graphic-artist (2d and 3d)- but as i saw there are places only for programmers and such...
04:51<bastiaan>padski: or am I doing something terribly wrong...
04:51<padski>bastiaan: ah! user-space tools are in diffrent packages
04:51<radoo>do you know a project where they could use graphic artists?
04:52<linuxfce>why is linux so much slower at grahic editing
04:52<linuxfce>than osx or windows
04:52<bastiaan>using ii linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3
04:52<valdyn>linuxfce: it isn't
04:53<themill>radoo: I don't know of any specific projects for graphics, but any package maintainer will be happy to accept your ideas for inclusion; also talk to the upstream developers who more-often need help with graphics.
04:53<padski>bastiaan: ping6 is in iputils
04:53<linuxfce>hmm it sure seems a LOT slower on gimp, and when viewing images
04:53<radoo>i don't know if that's true...i tried cinepaint for really big images and i can't say i noticed performance problems...
04:53<bastiaan>padski: ping6 is available, but in the vserver it doesn't work...
04:53<padski>bastiaan: do you have an i-pv6 module, is it loaded ?
04:53<linuxfce>windows and osx will display hi res images instantly, linux will display it in a scroll-like fashion, aslmost as if it were being downloaded slowly in a web browser
04:53<valdyn>linuxfce: there's alot of factors, none of which have a thing to do with linux directly
04:54<bastiaan>padski: there is a patch for that, which doesn't seem to be applied for the debian vserver kernels
04:54<padski>bastiaan: sorry, typo, ipv6
04:54<bastiaan>padski: in the "mother" host ipv6 works
04:54<bastiaan>padski: only not in the guest hosts
04:54<linuxfce>ok then, change "linux" to "debian"
04:54<valdyn>linuxfce: no, more like the vesa gfx driver
04:54<padski>bastiaan: apologies. sounds like you already know a lot more about your problem than I do.
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04:54<bastiaan>padski: oke :)
04:55<bastiaan>padski: maybe you know what the best thing is to compile a patched kernel for debian? :)
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04:55<radoo>is it possible in debian to gain write rights for my ntfs partitions?
04:56<jm_>linuxfce: yeah, you mean with very high res images? XP has pretty good viewer which resizes images very fast, there are some like that for linux too
04:56<gsimmons_>!tell radoo -about ntfs-3g
04:57<padski>bastiaan: I beleive there is a 'debian way', I don't use it, but others here will be able to explain it.
04:57<radoo>thank you!
04:57<bastiaan>well... it seems I already found some stuff on
04:58<bastiaan>(/me hates compiling since I only haave a 1,4GB partition suitable for it)
04:58<radoo>what does this mean- i have etch, does this mean i won't be able to use it: Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport.
04:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport.
04:58<JasonS>radoo: it says its in etch as a backport
04:58<Vakio>!tell radoo -about backports
04:59<valdyn>dpkg: ntfs3g =s/
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05:00<valdyn>dpkg: ntfs3g =~ s#backport.#backport at
05:00<dpkg>that doesn't contain 'backport.', valdyn
05:01<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport.
05:01<jm_>hehe it must be a reference to ntfs-3g, so try changing ntfs-3g directly
05:01<valdyn>dpkg: ntfs3g =~ s#backport#backport at
05:01<dpkg>valdyn: that doesn't contain 'backport'
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05:01<valdyn>!liternal ntfs3g
05:01<valdyn>!literal ntfs3g
05:01<dpkg>"ntfs3g" is "<reply> see ntfs-3g"
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05:02<valdyn>dpkg: ntfs-3g =~ s#backport#backport at
05:02<dpkg>valdyn: OK
05:02<chealer>radoo: the debian-desktop project is likely to welcome artists
05:02<weggli>hello dpkg
05:05<radoo>oh :) that would be great...if you are involved in an open-source project, are you also restrictid to open-source software?i mean, i own a couple ofgraphic software, can i use them?
05:06<ifvoid>radoo: well, that depends
05:06<themill>radoo: you are not restricted like that at all. But using free file formats usually is a requirement.
05:06<ifvoid>themill: indeed
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05:06<valdyn>radoo: uh?
05:06<ifvoid>radoo: but even the debian logo was created with Adobe illustrator
05:06<ifvoid>(and a non-free font)
05:06<radoo>:) ok
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05:07<radoo>debian-desktop project you say...i'll give a try :) i must go now, see you later and thank you for the info
05:07<chealer>(the non-free font being a problem)
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05:19<DTE>hi all
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05:21<seanius>you get yer ultramonkey HA stuff fixed?
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05:22<maheem>join /debian-russian
05:22<seanius>almost got it :)
05:23<jm_>heh .su is rather rare
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05:23<DTE>who had problem with ha?
05:24<seanius>um, wasn't taht you?
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05:24<DTE>yes :-)
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05:24<DTE>yes i solved...using unstable packages
05:24<DTE>i wanted to fill a bug
05:24<DTE>but now my system is not clean
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05:25<linuxfce>what does it mean when people say gentoo is rice
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05:27<lol>necesito ayuda kon una grafica
05:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:31<chealer>haha seanius
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05:31<linuxfce>omg that image his hilarious
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05:32[~]seanius used it in a talk about a month back
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05:39<linuxfce>did you make that seanius
05:40<seanius>linuxfce: yes. it's a GFDL image from wikipedia, i just added the captions
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06:09<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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06:28<daveh>hi i am having some problems with exim / spamassasin on debian stable
06:28<daveh>i grab remote mail via fetchmail then pass it through spamassasin as part of the local exim queue process
06:29<daveh>this is generatign bounces which then clog up teh mailq
06:29<daveh>is there an easy way to get exim to drop without bouncing spam ?
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06:35<jm_>daveh: what do you mean?
06:36<daveh>at the moment high spam is getting bounced
06:36<daveh>but as the spam from address are forged i get lots of entries in the mail log
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06:36<jm_>why are you even bothering bouncing it?
06:36<daveh>i would like tell exim that if it rejects a mail because it is spam do not bother bouncing
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06:38<seanius>daveh: if it rejects the mail then there should never have been a bounce to begin with, unless your setup was broken
06:39<seanius>i.e. rejects == "5xx relay access denied due to spam score"
06:39<daveh>i think it is caused because the mail is coming from localhost
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06:43<seanius>so in other words, you've already accepted it
06:44<jm_>you'd need something like sa-exim for that
06:44<daveh>thats what i have
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06:44<daveh>the mail goes
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06:45<daveh>isp -- > localserver via fetchmail -->local exim --> spam assasin --> localuser
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06:48<seanius>well that's you're problem. you *definitely* should not be bouncing anything.
06:49<seanius>i think there's some kind of discard rule you want to use, but i'm not an exim dude
06:49<themill>daveh: are you filtering using exim or using procmail?
06:49<valdyn>or just don't hand it to exim before spam is filtered, what's the point of that?
06:50<daveh>exim for filtering
06:50<daveh>as there are many local users
06:50<daveh>but one fetchmail
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06:51<valdyn>daveh: isp -> fetchmail -> sa -> exim
06:51<valdyn>but right now its: isp -> fetchmail -> exim -> sa -> exim
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06:53<daveh>what is the difference between the 2
06:54<daveh>as in your sugesting running spamassasin as me before forwarding the mail to exim for local delivery ?
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06:56<valdyn>daveh: sure
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06:58<daveh>but doesn't fetchmail just send via the local mta i.e. exim ?
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06:58<valdyn>daveh: fetchmail hands mail to whatever you give it in the 'mda' line
06:58<daveh>ah ok
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07:05<valdyn>daveh: i hope you are aware of the legal implications of deleting spam before the reciever sees it or are in an environment where that doesn't matter
07:05<petemc>where is it has laws like that?
07:06<valdyn>petemc: it's about postal secret
07:06<daveh>valdyn: i am very aware of the problem unfortunately the email addresses are very old and therefore unusable without very heavy filtering
07:07<valdyn>petemc: reading mail not destined to you is illegal in germany, no matter if its a machine or a person
07:07<valdyn>( that is reading )
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07:08<nowhere_man>obviously you need the consent of the recipient of that address
07:08<petemc>i look after the mail for over 600 barristers
07:09<petemc>and am not aware of any laws preventing me from filtering it for them
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07:09<valdyn>petemc: i don't do this professionally so i don't know how its done in companies etc
07:09<valdyn>petemc: but ( at least in germany ) they'd need explicit consent
07:10<petemc>dont think that particular bit of legislation is EU wide..
07:10<nowhere_man>petemc: it's probably a matter of interpretation about the fact that filtering is reading
07:10<valdyn>petemc: it isn't
07:10<nowhere_man>obviously the filter software reads the mail
07:10<petemc>SA is the last check i do, as its so expensive
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07:11<nowhere_man>also you need to be 150% sure you have no false positive in your filtering
07:11<valdyn>petemc: for instance, in the ministry of agriculture ( in germany ), they don't do server side spam filtering at all, only help the users to have it locally
07:11<nowhere_man>(if it prevents mail from being delivered)
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07:12<petemc>if i can reject a mail during the smtp transaction, i will, saves a lot of hassle
07:13<petemc>and if its false positive, the "proper" sender should get told as much
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07:14<valdyn>petemc: doesnt that make you cause more spam?
07:15<valdyn>petemc: or how to you see those false positives?
07:15<petemc>the burden of responsibility is on the sending host
07:15<petemc>i 5xx the message, it doesnt leave the sending host at all
07:16<valdyn>petemc: i see
07:16<seanius>^^^ is the correct method
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07:21<new2debian> do i control startup programs eg: if i wanted iceweasel to start at boot, or if i didnt want the print subsystem to run at boot ? using etch with gnome
07:22<jm_>new2debian: why would you start iceweasel at boot?
07:22<dli>new2debian, update-rc.d -f cupsys remove
07:22<jm_>new2debian: for daemons look in /etc/init.d, configure it with update-rc.d or front-ends for it
07:22<themill>for user programs like iceweasel, look for the gnome session saving features
07:23<dli>new2debian, gnome-session-properties to add iceweasel
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07:23<new2debian>thanks dli
07:24<dli>new2debian, you can also put .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart instead of gnome-session-properties
07:24<new2debian>ok, found the 'startup programs' under sessions, thats what i was looking for, thanks
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07:25<seanius>no, update-rc.d is *not* the way to make changes to what should start up...
07:25<seanius>at least not without a second invokation where you specify what runlevels to use/not-use
07:27<meandtheshell>does anybody know a decent tool to create on the client side i.e. without having to fiddle around with flickr and friends
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07:28<meandtheshell>e.g. such stuff ... the mouse-over effect
07:30<meandtheshell>I tried imaptool but that's not really usable on a daily basis
07:31<new2debian>does anyone use flight-gear ? reason i ask is, i installed it (+ the fgfs-base)....when i run it, the splash screen comes up, and then it just wondering why
07:32<dli>new2debian, do you have 3D video card support?
07:33<new2debian>not sure, its on-board video
07:33<dli>new2debian, lspci|grep -i vga
07:33<new2debian>ran msfs well enough tho
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07:34<new2debian>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
07:35<dli>new2debian, I think that video card is too old for 3D video game
07:35<new2debian>that could be it, thanks
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07:35<new2debian>ill look into it on their website
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07:36<valdyn>new2debian: it shouldnt just crash
07:36<valdyn>new2debian: no matter what.. and if glxgears works accelerated, some games at least should work
07:36<dli>valdyn, I remember someone told me intel i915 can play fgfs
07:36<valdyn>dli: sure
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07:37<new2debian>well, like i said it started, splash screen, initialized, then nothing
07:37<valdyn>dli: my g33 works, horribly slow
07:37<valdyn>dli: which doesn;t really make sense as that card is not _that_ slow
07:38<dli>valdyn, better than my "workstation level" video card FireGL V5250 with 256MB VRAM
07:39<dli>valdyn, I'm locked to the open source drivers, and even XVideo not supported
07:39<valdyn>dli: i don't know that card, shouldnt the radeonhd driver support it?
07:40<dli>valdyn, yes, but the avivo driver is still faster on it
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07:58<duekiller>Anyone up ?
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07:59<duekiller>well... that's a shame
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08:00<desperate>Net-XWhois, bsdwhois, bwwhois, gwhois, jwhois, whois, whoischk
08:00<desperate>which one is better?/
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08:03<padski>desperate: better for what ?
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08:06<desperate>for info retrieval
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08:08<padski>desperate: can't say I've personally ever had a problem with typing plain 'whois'. no doubt the doco will explain why variations exist.
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08:16<desperate>why is this not working? whois
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08:16<desperate>NOT FOUND
08:17<gsimmons_>desperate: Try just "whois".
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08:17<E0x>maybe the server is down
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08:19<Netsnipe>hi everyone
08:19<duekiller>Is there a startup script file ?(want to add a device mount on startupt)
08:19<kooll>How should I report a bug in a package ?
08:19<Benzies>isnt it?
08:19<Netsnipe>is nvidiafb auto-loading for anyone else today after upgrading?
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08:19<Benzies>vi /etc/fstab
08:20<gsimmons_>!tell kooll -about bts
08:20<vom>Yo, could someone help me install ATi drivers without X
08:20<Benzies>you know what to do?
08:20<vom>Feel free to pm me if you're up for the task
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08:21<vom>x says caught signal 11 :-o
08:22<vom>damn, im just gonna install ubuntu feisty again
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08:32<smhar>hello again, I am back with my ati driver problem :-) I hope it will be solved today
08:32<tarzeau>i also had ati problems some time ago
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08:35<smhar>I found a great tutorial but it is for ubuntu not debian lenny
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08:50<radoo>hi, i installed ntfs-3g from backport, now i'm getting this message when i mount a volume:
08:51<radoo>is it normal? i am using etch
08:52<JasonS>i dont see anything in that paste radoo
08:52<stew>i'd guess that means no errors :) and i'd think that is probably not normal :)
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08:53<smhar>ok. I followed the fglrx one-liner and got this error in the log
08:53<gsimmons_>radoo: Did you mean <>? ("off by 2" error :)
08:54<desperate>gsimmons_: it worked
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08:55<radoo>this one yes..sorry about this
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08:56<themill>smhar: debian's 2.6.21 and fglrx are incompatible; you need either a newer or older kernel. Also, are you trying to use amd64 kernel and 32bit userspace?
08:56<radoo>this one was the source i used
08:57<stew>radoo: you can also install a 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 kernel from that same source
08:57<stew>radoo: (which is what this error message is recommending, it seems)
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08:58<radoo>i don't want to upgrade to unstable...i just want etch...
08:58<radoo>is 2.6.22 not unstable? sid?
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08:59<stew>i'm not reommending that you go to unstable. i'm recommending that you install a 2.6.22 kernel that was compiled for etch
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09:00<radoo>oh, i see...thank you
09:01<radoo>is it a big problem if i'm just ignoring that message?i mean, can i break something in the ntfs file system or something similar?lose data?
09:03<stew>radoo: yes. it sounds like you could lose data if you ignore that message (becuase of the unsafe unmount)
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09:04<radoo>ok...thank you very much :) i already cry for joy when i'm thinking i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers...
09:04<radoo>bye!see you later"
09:04<smhar>themill, wow, at least some one managed to pin the problem. :-)
09:04<themill>smhar: that's not normally the error message you see with 2.6.21 + fglrx...
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09:05<smhar>themill, I installed debian using a netinstall cd then I changed the sources to lenny and update/upgrade/dist-upgrade, then I installed the amd64 kernel and again dist-upgrade.
09:06<smhar>themill, I am not sure if I have a 32 or 64 bit full system, but the kernel is Linux aristotle 2.6.21-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 05:38:29 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
09:08<themill>smhar: well that's obviously a amd64 kernel, what does dpkg --print-architecture show?
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09:09<smhar>themill, i386 !!!
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09:10<themill>smhar: ok, so to compile kernel modules, it looks like you're going to have to have a 64bit compiler too. This I know nothing about, but it might be a place for you to start looking or asking...
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09:13<smhar>themill, so my problem is that I am using a 64bit kernel and 32 bit compiler?
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09:14<themill>smhar: yes, you have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace hence by default 32bit compiler which cannot make kernel modules, it would seem.
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09:15<smhar>themill, so the solution is either make get a 64bit compiler -and maybe some other libs as well- or just use a 32bit kernel, right?
09:15<blathijs>Does anyone know where /etc/if-up.d is documented?
09:16<blathijs>I can't find anything about it, not in the ifupdown package anyway
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09:16<lupine_85>blathijs: it's just a bunch of scripts that are run by if-up
09:16<themill>smhar: yes, that seems like your solution; abrotman might have some other ideas though
09:16<blathijs>lupine_85: Yeah, but I presume they are passed some kind of arguments or env vars
09:17<blathijs>That should be documented somewhere, right?
09:17<WildOS>Does the size of an unsigned long differ between an x86 based computer and an arm9 based controller? Sorry, for asking this question here.. but I've found that there are people in this channel working with stuff like this... I am using the helix toolchain and kernel 2.6.22..
09:17<lupine_85>in the current scripts, by the look of it
09:17<lupine_85> while read DEV MTPT FSTYPE OPTS REST
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09:18<themill>blathijs: do you mean /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? man 5 interfaces
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09:19<blathijs>themill: yeah, that's the one
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09:19<blathijs>themill: I can't find anything in there?
09:20<bgat>can someone recommend a Debian-supported project management package? I like the looks of dotproject, but it isn't packaged for Debian and I'm not sure I have the time/resources to track it for security patches, etc. I'm addicted to apt-get. :)
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09:20<blathijs>themill: ah wait
09:20<blathijs>themill: Found it, thanks!
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09:23<bgat>web-based software project management tool, I mean.
09:24<padski>WildOS: why ?
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09:25<sheldonh>if i have two static ifaces in /etc/network/interfaces and i configure a gateway on each, which one becomes the default gateway?
09:25<amphi>neither, unless you specify
09:25<padski>sheldonh: a default gateway is a gateway to the default network, ie:
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09:25<sheldonh>padski: yes. and so? whichever interface comes up last loses?
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09:26<sheldonh>padski: or you get multiple default routes?
09:26<padski>sheldonh: perhaps metric ?
09:26<sheldonh>perhaps :)
09:26<padski>sheldonh: it does depend what you are trying to acheive
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09:27<WildOS>padski: Well, in my decrypting algorithm, am am using unsigned long pointers to point at certain areas of an char array. when doing f.ex unsigned long test = (unsigned long) array[0] I get different results on the arm9 controller and the x86 PC..
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09:27<seanius>WildOS: sounds like an alignment problem
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09:30<maxamillion>WildOS: it probably has to do with the memory hierarchy and the possibly the call stack structure differences between the two architectures
09:30<WildOS>seanius: I am compiling with the -fpack-struct=4 flag. That should do the trick, should it not?
09:31<WildOS>maxamillion: is there something I can do to fix this? Do I have to make my own pointer handlers?
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09:32<seanius>WildOS: i have no idea, i've always just properly aligned my data and properly accessed it instead of using compiler flags :)
09:32<maxamillion>WildOS: no idea, i just remember writting some random code a few semesters ago that turned out different on x86 and powerpc and it turned out to be something to do with the way the architectures did things differently
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09:34<seanius>like buf[i]<<24+buf[i+1]<<16+buf[i+2]<<8+buf[i+3] or similar
09:34<seanius>or actually you could just replace + with |
09:34<seanius>or only access the char array on wordsize boundaries
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09:35<peterS>WildOS: also check your endianness. arm can be either big or little. make sure your code doesn't care which
09:35<WildOS>Thanks guys =)
09:35<nubbun>Where is the proper place (file) and time in boot up to set the ethernet address of a network card?
09:35<seanius>nubbun: man interfaces
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09:37<nubbun>seanius: I had done that & don't see that information there. Perhaps you are thinking of IP address?
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09:40<themill>nubbun: what do you mean by "ethernet address"
09:40<nubbun>themill: MAC Address
09:41<themill>nubbun: ahh... there's no easy way to do that as it depends on the hardware and driver. What are you actually trying to do?
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09:42<nubbun>themill: change the MAC address on startup because the ISP only allows a certain registered MAC address and it's a real pain to get them to change which one gets internet access when I change what device is attached to the DSL modem.
09:42<petemc>thats a bit shit
09:43<arrrgrrr>nubbun: it's "hwaddress ether 00:DE:AD:BE:EF:00" in /etc/network/interfaces
09:43<themill>nubbun: yuck! You can try the tool macchanger for doing that, but whether that works or not depends on what state the device is in.
09:43<nubbun>I know from the command line, I can give
09:43<nubbun>/sbin/ip link set eth1 address :::::
09:43<nubbun>So I could put it in a script if I knew the right script.
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09:44<nubbun>Thanks arrrgrrr, Your golden.
09:44<themill>nubbun: I did have success using macchanger in a pre-up in /e/n/i
09:44<amphi>nubbun: resetting the dsl modem with the new device plugged in doesn't sort that out? it has when I've had such stupid setups
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09:44<seanius>nubbun: ah, yeah i hate it when ISP's do shit like that
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09:47<nubbun>amphi: Good idea, but Resetting the modem didn't help.
09:48<amphi>nubbun: ISTR I had to power it down and turn it on again
09:48<seanius>i was at my gf's parents last weekend, and their ISP is even more anal
09:48<seanius>not only does the mac address have to match, but they won't send new dhcp responses unless your lease is expired or released first
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09:49<seanius>i can't see how this does not cause problems for normal users
09:50<nubbun>amphi: this modem has no reset button/switch. Power was detached.
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09:54<amphi>nubbun: ah - bummer; still, changing the MAC address is more 'elegant' ;)
09:54<nubbun>Yes, indeed.
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09:57<meglaw>so did i get that wrong or your have to use macchanger now, u cant use ifconfig xthX hw
09:59<themill>meglaw: you can use either approach; depends on taste and where you want to put it
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10:00<meglaw>well, i tryed it the other day for packetinjection
10:00<meglaw>and it just did not want to with ifconfig, but worked fine with maccchanger
10:03<qbit>anyone ever get this error with debmirror: Invalid argument at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1029.
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10:05<nojoints>problem; i can't access authenticated sites like adobe flash site and other websites
10:06<JasonS>nojoints: why cant you
10:06<nojoints>JasonS; if I knew that i wouldn't ask would i? :p
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10:07<nojoints>JasonS; had same problem on my other computer which run ubuntu, fixed it, did the same on this which is running debian but it didn't help
10:07<JasonS>nojoints: well you could start with error or messages
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10:08<nojoints>JasonS; there is no error message, it just loads and do nothing
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10:09<arrrgrrr>what do you mean "authenticated sites"
10:09<nojoints>arrrgrrr; when i for example go into adobe flash website to dl and install flash it just freezes
10:10<dpkg>well, flash is
10:10<nojoints>same if i go into youtube and try install it via iceweasel dl manager
10:11<nojoints>it stops at OK........
10:11<qbit>nojoints, you behind a proxy?
10:11<nojoints>qbit; not as far as i know
10:12<nojoints>added net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 0 into /etc/sysctl.conf which worked when i used ubuntu on my other computer
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10:13<nojoints>or do i have to reboot when i've done a change there?
10:14<qbit>reboot, or echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
10:15<nojoints>well not it worked, thanks qbit
10:15<seanius>or sysctl -p
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10:23<JasonS>can we help you CrAzY_VaMpIr ?
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10:37<ra9ftm>I need a help with tuning PDC: samba3 + openldap. It is working, but some problem with accounts.... Runing windows in VirtualBOX for tests. I can give you ssh root access... :)
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10:50<Unknown>g'day X-slaves
10:50<serge>Hello! I'm almost crazy with ghostscript 8.04 and it's fonts. The problem is that it doesn't make proper output for Russian koi8-r. I manipulated the type1 fontset by defoma, added new external koi8-r fonts but no luck. t1-cyrillic package doesn't help also. Can anybody advice me how to fix koi8-r problem in my Etch, so I could generate ps-documents in it?
10:51<Unknown>njet comrad
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10:58<Bald0z>hi guys please help troubleshooting my network
10:59<Bald0z>i have debian 4.0 and a fixed eth1 on my ibm rack machine
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10:59<padski>Bald0z: a static IPP on eth1 ?
10:59<Bald0z>i have problems when passing through the gateway. connection on local lan (netmask) is ok.
10:59<padski>sorry IP
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10:59<Bald0z>i can0t do apt-get update for example
11:00<Bald0z>it times out
11:00<Bald0z>and if I try a ping
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11:00<Bald0z>i get nearly 90% packet loss
11:00<Unknown>try other dns
11:00<Bald0z>sometimes works, most times not, this is what it makes me crazy
11:00<padski>Bald0z: you are pinging an external IP address ?
11:01<Bald0z>yes I'm gonna try another dns, tho I think it's not the issue because I also tried pinging an ip address not a name
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11:01<Bald0z>yes padski, i am
11:01<Bald0z>i think it's something about tcp but I can't understand
11:01<padski>Bald0z: traceroute any help. maybe figure out on which hop the packets get dropped.
11:01<padski>Bald0z: ping is not tcp
11:02<Bald0z>yeah you are right, it's icmp
11:02<Unknown>is thetime-out the same for all adresses you ping?
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11:03<Bald0z1>sorry my connections is quite lousy
11:03<padski>Bald0z: you might get those symptoms if you were fighting for an IP address with another machine (dunno, but it sounds plausible)
11:04<Bald0z1>the traceroute is stopping on the gateway hop
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11:05<Bald0z1>is there somewhere I can paste the results ?
11:05<Bald0z1>on #flood ?
11:05<Unknown>are u using dynamic or fixed ip's localy
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11:07<Unknown>i just noticed my pings are quite slow too
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11:08<Bald0z1>what about collisions ? I have many in my ifconfig output
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11:09<padski>Bald0z1: yup. that doesn't sound good. mii-tool will help tell you about the link.
11:09<Unknown>false alarm
11:09<Unknown>it seems to be my server thazz responding slow
11:10<Unknown>but I think it has to do with the fact I am running sghit virtualized
11:10<Bald0z1>thanks for the tip padski ... gonna get that package
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11:11<padski>Bald0z1: it is in net-tools
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11:12<janux-xmind>hi guys
11:12<Unknown>howdy janux
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11:13<janux-xmind>how can i mount an ntfs patition on my debian
11:13<Unknown>i would choose network, because I don't know shit about mounting ntfs otherwise
11:13<suiside>janux-xmind: look into ntfs-3g
11:14<suiside>aka ntfsprogs
11:14<janux-xmind>i have the two system in dual boot
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11:15<Unknown>doesn't it show up in mnts?
11:15<janux-xmind>i've installed ntfsprogs
11:15<Unknown>how does knoppix do it
11:16<janux-xmind>i use debian
11:16<Unknown>me to
11:16<Unknown>I just wondered out loud how knoppix mounts it
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11:16<padski>Unknown: an automounter I would guess
11:16<Unknown>cuase that works fine
11:17<padski>Unknown: IIRC knoppix uses ntfs-3g now.
11:17<janux-xmind>before debian, i was in opensuse 10.2 and i didn't get any probs with ntfs parts
11:17<Unknown>i use it a lot to recover files from crashed xp drives that are password protected
11:17<suiside>janux-xmind: read man ntfsmount then
11:17<padski>padski: was captive-ntfs at one time ??
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11:18<Unknown>btw whats te minimum ram rquirements for debian?
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11:19<meglaw>name a goooood sfv cecker
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11:20<Bald0z>janux: ntfsprogs is the free driver i think. captive-ntfs is the one that uses windows' binary driver
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11:21<janux-xmind>but which command line should i use to mount my ntfs pat?
11:22<padski>Unknown: sorry. I thought it would be in there.
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11:22<Bald0z2>with the free driver it's mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
11:22<Bald0z2>with the captive *should* be mount -t captive-ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
11:22<padski>Unknown: 64 MB is the number there, but smaller is possible depending on arch.
11:22<Bald0z2>but you need to install them first
11:22<craigevil>janux-xmind: apt-get install ntfs-3g : umount /media/xdxx ; mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxyyzz[etc] /media/xdxx ; see also:
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11:23<suiside>or use ntfsmount, which I already told you before
11:23<Bald0z2>ntfs-3g is the new free driver with write support ?
11:24<desperate>how can I start multiple downloads with wget?
11:24<fxiny>bpo offers ntfs-3g for etch
11:24<desperate>paralle on a single line of command? I don't wanna open a thousand xterms
11:25<avu>desperate: wget url1 & wget url2 & wget url3 ... ? ;)
11:25<@Ganneff>for i in urls; do wget $i & ; done
11:26<suiside>or look at the -i option, manpages aren't there for nothing you know
11:26<desperate>avu: Ganneff but doesn't that way WAIT for the first to complete?
11:26<fxiny>desperate: parallel downloads ? by using axel or snarf
11:26<avu>desperate: no
11:26<@Ganneff>desperate: do you see the &?
11:26<desperate>I thought & meant one after the other one
11:26<avu>desperate: try 'sleep 60 & ls
11:26<@Ganneff>thats &&
11:26<janux-xmind>i'm leaving
11:26<desperate>still that's an unelegant way
11:26<@Ganneff>& backgrounds.
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11:27<fxiny>does not look parallel to me
11:27<@Ganneff>desperate: then dont use wget but a tool made for what you want
11:27<desperate>Ganneff: ahh... I was wondering why some places did & and others &&
11:27<suiside>specifically, && will only run the if the command before it exits with true
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11:27<desperate>Ganneff: well I was hoping wget could handle that with an option or something
11:28<@Ganneff>& backgrounds. && runs one command if the first succeeded, || when the first did not succeed
11:28<fxiny>so if you use && set a timeot
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11:29<arrrgrrr>then debian's gonna blow the frak up!
11:29<desperate>ok thanks
11:29<desperate>avu: I tried "sleep 60 & ls"
11:29<desperate>nothing usual
11:29<arrrgrrr>now type ps faux
11:29<desperate>what I am supposed to experience?
11:30<avu>desperate: wel, it should demonstrate that the ls does not wait for the sleep as you suggested it would
11:30<desperate>[1]- Done sleep 60
11:30<desperate>[2]+ Done sleep 60
11:30<desperate>oh ok
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11:30<desperate>cool thanks!!
11:30<desperate>now should I kill those sleep processes?
11:30<Bald0z>padski: mii-tool reports me that the interface is okay, and autonegotiated to 100mbit Full Duplex
11:31<weasel>& is like ; only that it puts stuff into the background
11:31<avu>they die after 60 seconds :)
11:31<desperate>he... o_O
11:32<padski>Bald0z: is that auto-negotiated ?
11:32<desperate>ps faux <-- nice
11:32<desperate>I was using aux
11:32<weasel>I use xauf
11:33<arrrgrrr>I still win!
11:33<padski>similar to aux -H
11:33<desperate>mm.. I realize a lot of those shiny programs are just Pictures on top of very elemntal commands such as awk sed ls ps
11:33<padski>but faux makes a word :-)
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11:33<padski>desperate: a lot of those elemental commands are just a scraping of C over a kernel interface ;-)
11:34<fxiny>very zen
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11:34<desperate>padski: mm... I am kinda liking it the simplicity of these elemental commands
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11:34<desperate>you can customize the way you want to
11:35<desperate>I am wondering how m$$ deal with their shit...
11:35<padski>text interfaces appeal to me. I can speak gthrough a text interface. in a gui I am stuck wandering around a maze.
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11:36<desperate>padski: this is how I see it. Text is like a direct Thought<>Machine interaction
11:36<padski>and with the ability to speak comes the ability to say just what you mean. guis tend to run on tram lines, and forbid you should want to visit somewhere that is not on the route.
11:36<desperate>like your intentions are materialized as you think them
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11:37<desperate>is like clear and direct interface
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11:37<padski>yes. it becomes fluent.
11:38<desperate>padski: more and more I am beginning to think that this kinda stuff should be taught from craddle
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11:38<desperate>the same way you teach a baby how to talk, write, teach him how to use cli
11:38[~]sward throws out the Fisher Price computers
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11:39[~]fxiny powers on a hal eye gadget
11:39<desperate>should be part of school curricula
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11:39<Bald0z1>padski: yes auto-negotiated
11:39<desperate>jokes aside, think about it
11:40<desperate>when you learn how to write is very important for your expression and for learning
11:40<desperate>well computers nowadays are the pen and paper
11:40<padski>I've seen it said that in traditional unix users tend to pick up just as much as they need when they need it, but end up knowing quite a lot. that is certainly the way I remember university enviroments for example. that doesn't seem to happen in windows.
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11:41<desperate>padski: my cousing finish computer science in university WITHOUT know linux
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11:41<desperate>^^^ sorry badly written sentence
11:42<desperate>I was astonished
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11:42<padski>Bald0z1: it would be pretty rare, but there are occasions when forsing the connection to half-duplex might fix your collisions. do you have access via eth0 as well ?
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11:43<padski>Bald0z1: there is probably a better approach to debugging your problem, but I don't know it :-(
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11:43<fxiny>desperate: i'm not surprise : some teachers are very ignorant
11:43<arrrgrrr>lol padski
11:43<arrrgrrr>repeat ;)
11:44<Bald0z>damn gprs connection... padski did you reply me ? i didn't read it
11:44<fxiny>is not your cousin fault :P
11:44<padski>Bald0z1: it would be pretty rare, but there are occasions when forsing the connection to half-duplex might fix your collisions. do you have access via eth0 as well ?
11:44<padski>Bald0z1: there is probably a better approach to debugging your problem, but I don't know it :-(
11:45<ramoonas>hi all, does anyone know which linux program can extract contents of a .big file?
11:45<desperate>is there a way to check a program how much RAM and CPU it's using in terms of cycles and bits instead of percentage?
11:45<fxiny>ask file what a .big file is first
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11:46<Bald0z>thanks anyway... what I'm gonna try when I'm physically there is connecting to the other interface (eth0 instead of eth1) and I'll try to force half duplex
11:46<ramoonas>what do you mean?
11:46<fxiny>file *.big will tell you more
11:46<padski>Bald0z: if you have two interfaces, are you not using them both ?
11:47<arrrgrrr>what does file Music.big tell you?
11:47<Bald0z>no i have two integrated, i'm just using eth1 now
11:47<Bald0z>it's a (cheap) ibm server
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11:47<ramoonas>what do you mean what does it tell me. It doesnt tell me anything except thats probably a music inside :)
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11:48<arrrgrrr>ramoonas: did you type "file Music.big" in the console?
11:49<ramoonas>stupid me
11:49<Bald0z>goodbye guys ... time to go out
11:49<Bald0z>thanks for the help
11:49<ramoonas>it says "data"
11:49<padski>Bald0z: ok. gl with that.
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11:50<arrrgrrr>well that wasn't helpful at all :P
11:50<fxiny>data ? could be a compressed propietary file like daa , there is a poweriso binary avaiable for linux
11:51<ramoonas>its homeworld2 music, there are no cd's to buy with soundtrack so i just thought i could extract it somehow
11:51<fxiny>unless big is another winblows prop crap
11:51<ramoonas>prop crap?
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11:52<fxiny>like daa
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11:52<ramoonas>you know - i am unfamiliar with this term "daa"
11:52<fxiny>is a compressed image
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11:54<ramoonas>whatever, i will download it via bittorrent - seems a lot less trouble
11:54<ramoonas>thanks anyway
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11:55<interbird>I know this is Debian, but anyone quickly know how to 'shut-up' auto-correction in OOo calc ?
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11:59<silent>hey, when I use the networking interface under desktop administration, and change my essid to airuc (university wireless) it wont connect, however, if I edit my interfaces file and change my home essid to airuc and get rid of the password and reboot, it connects
11:59<silent>what am I doing wrong with configuring while booted?
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12:01<interbird>silent: maybe /etc/init.d/networking restart does the same as a reboot
12:02<fxiny>ramoonas: is it about a game ? i found a google "big audio file format" entry
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12:03<sward>fxiny: ramoonas: and there is an SDL‐based Linux port of the game that may have some Linux tools to extract useful data from the format.
12:04<fxiny>sward: oh nice , i was on rarewares,org looking :)
12:04<sward>The file format spec is a word doc :/
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12:05<fxiny>catdoc will kill it :)
12:05<sward>I was going for wv
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12:07<ramoonas>sward thanks
12:07<silent>interbird, thanks, I'll give it a try. how is it different from ifdown and ifup?
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12:11<sward>meh, Windows executables, I’m not grabbing wine too :)
12:14<simonrvn>interbird: in the options maybe
12:14<interbird>silent: dunno exactly, but it's different. you can look at the script in /etc/init.d/networking what it does. I found the gui-method sometimes unstable but after the networking-restart it worked.
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12:15<interbird>simonrvn: Of course it's in the options somewhere... If you can find it, I can too...
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12:15<kop>sward: Do file on those windows executables just in case they're really zip archives.
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12:15<silent>interbird, yeah, I just want it to work. I'll create a couple scripts to cp new interfaces files from backup to the actual interfaces... overwrite the file and restart to connect. whatever works
12:15<sward>kop: I did
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12:16<fxiny>no big ext on rarewares debian lists
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12:16<interbird>silent: Remember that if you are impatiant in the GUI, you'll start multiple scripts hacking a single file...
12:17<kop>What's the right way to test that audio works? Play a sound, maybe adjust the volume/balance.
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12:17<silent>interbird, what do you mean?
12:17<cahoot>kop: aplay <soe wav>
12:17<kop>cahoot: Thanks.
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12:17<silent>interbird, there is a period where I shutdown between home and university, there shouldn't be a problem
12:17<simonrvn>interbird: you're welcome anyway
12:18<cahoot>kop: like aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
12:18<silent>only one switch on either side
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12:18<fxiny>hu that noise is like my ambient ocean collection ;)
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12:19<interbird>silent: Can't you can use "save profile" in the networks dialog for that? I'm talking Gnomish, but must be in KDE too...
12:19<interbird>simonrvn: U2
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12:20<simonrvn>interbird: it wasn't sarcasm
12:20<silent>interbird, I haven't tried the locations thing, but the gui tends to be shitty in terms of getting things done. I'd rather sudo ./asdf and have internet, no questions or delays
12:20<fxiny>kde gnome , hahah flux1 is out ready for the slaughter
12:21<interbird>simonrvn: Me not too, no offence meant and none taken, ok ?
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12:21<simonrvn>interbird: ok, cool, np :)
12:21<simonrvn>interbird: just made my day
12:22<interbird>silent: What gui do you use ?
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12:22<silent>interbird, gnome, what's the option for wireless password... is it wireless-password or essid-password?
12:23<silent>for the hex key
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12:23<silent>in interfaces
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12:25<interbird>silent: Depends on your security, like WEP, WPA. I use WEP because I can get it to work but it seems WPA can be gotten to work also. For wireless I always try to connect without encryption. If that works, I try WEP 64-bits, if that works I try 128-bits. Did not het WPA to work because I'm 2 lazy to try -:)
12:26<silent>interbird, WEP 64 bit
12:27<interbird>silent: And you use a router or something. Like a Linksys wrt54G ?
12:27<simonrvn>interbird: if i don't see you before you leave, have a nice day
12:27<silent>interbird, dlink
12:28<interbird>simonrvn: Same to you my friend
12:28<interbird>silent: sorry, what is a dlink, a brand of router ?
12:29<silent>interbird, yes
12:29<silent>what is the option for the key in the interfaces file/
12:29<interbird>silent: can you connect to it with a cable and enter it's settings using a browser ?
12:29<silent>apparently the option is wireless-key
12:30<interbird>silent: I mean, can you configure the dlink using a cable connected to it soyou are able to check the wireless settings of the dlink ?
12:31<silent>interbird, I'm at university now, I have webadmin enabled and I got the password and connection info. all I needed was the option for /etc/network/interfaces that specifies the wireless key, but I googled it and apparently it's wireless-key <key> so its all good now
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12:33<interbird>silent: So all is working now ?
12:33<silent>going to test my script
12:33<desperate>hi what's less overhead multiple xterms for irssi or irssi inside screen splited?
12:33<interbird>silent: And you WiFi connection is encrypted ?
12:33<silent>at home, at airuc it isnt
12:33<desperate>can irssi split itself?
12:34<JasonS>desperate: one irssi and multiple networks
12:34<interbird>silent: Check the gui, if there is a key left to the SSID, its encrypted, otherwise it's open and anyone is able to connect to the WiFi-point...
12:35<silent>its open, but dhcp is retrieved via a web interface
12:35<silent>my script is working
12:35<desperate>JasonS: but it becomes unmaneagable
12:35<silent>time to get to my assignment
12:35<desperate>JasonS: I forget what windows is what
12:35<desperate>and so on
12:35<interbird>silent: dhcp has nothing to do with a web-interface or webmin
12:35<desperate>constantly /window #
12:36<JasonS>desperate: user error not software problem ;)
12:36<silent>interbird, I'm at university now. the intranet has a web interface to login and acquire dhcp
12:36<JasonS>desperate: or stop joining every channel
12:36<desperate>JasonS: so I cannot split irssi?
12:36<silent>its not a standard dlink router here.. they have computer servers for dhcp
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12:36<silent>at home I have a dlink
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12:36<silent>all is well
12:36<JasonS>desperate: have you looked on the irssi website?
12:36<silent>all problems solved
12:36<desperate>JasonS: that makes no sense
12:37<stew>desperate: what do you mean by split? create a split window? irssi can do that
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12:37<stew>desperate: however a split irssi window should not be sought to reduce confusion, it increases it
12:37<desperate>JasonS: I doubt you are on ONE single channel all the time
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12:37<desperate>stew: that's ok, how I do that?
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12:38<interbird>silent: Fine, that does not say anything about the WiFi. The dlink WiFi must have a name, a SSID, if you see that in your Gnome WiFi (Network) settings without a key-icon to the left, then it's not encrypted.
12:38<desperate>stew: is the split vertical or across
12:38<JasonS>desperate: look on or read teh manual, i havent done split but i find it makes it worse
12:38<desperate>ok thanks
12:39<Vakio>You always write in the wrong window.
12:39<JasonS>Vakio: heh yep
12:39<stew>desperate: '/window new' splits. '/window move up' moves the current window into the upper half (down does the opposite). the split goes away when one side or the other no longer has any windows
12:39<stew>Vakio: yeah, which is why i said it was not to reduce confusion
12:39<Vakio>I have a small (size 5) split window on the top which collects all hilights.
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12:41<stew>desperate: note also that you can use "alt-#" or "/w #" instead of "/window #" and "alt-a" goes to the next window with activity
12:41<desperate>stew: thanks
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12:42<desperate>doesn't work here
12:42<Vakio>desperate: xterm?
12:42<desperate>mm... o_O
12:42<Vakio>arrrgrrr: great minds, etc.
12:42<JasonS>heh i see a pattern :)
12:42<arrrgrrr>boo Vakio, boo
12:43<desperate>is mt system broken?
12:43[~]desperate thinks
12:43<JasonS>desperate: system no, try a different term though just for the heck of it
12:43<stew>desperate: you can use esc instead of alt, or turn off eightBitInput in you xterms
12:43<Vakio>desperate: echo "*metaSendsEscape: true" >> ~/.Xdefaults
12:43<JasonS>heh never mind they beat me to it
12:43<fxiny>you lucky my wow signal detector is off !
12:43<desperate>oh aterm
12:44<fxiny>materm rocks
12:44<Vakio>Aterm doesn't support UTF-8.
12:44<Vakio>(Or does it nowadays?)
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12:44<arrrgrrr>urxvt is great
12:45<fxiny>not too bad not too bad
12:45<arrrgrrr>unicode, transparency, etc...
12:45<Vakio>xfce4-terminal might be worth a try too.
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12:45<Vakio>Depends on what you need.
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12:45<fxiny>glamour so that xfce is not up to :P
12:45<desperate>wow guys excellent help!!
12:46<desperate>I wonder why I stay so long without know this kinda stuff
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12:47<interbird>Cause we learn from eachother but sometimes sleep during class :-)
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12:50<desperate>esc works!!
12:50<desperate>and with arrows too!!
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12:50<desperate>so that way I can cycle to window 47
12:50<arrrgrrr>you nut
12:50<stew>desperate: you can cycle there with ctrl-n and ctrl-p
12:50<desperate>whereas esc+# is restricted to 9 windows
12:50<arrrgrrr>I never have more than 5 open
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12:51<stew>desperate: and alt-q - alt-p is windows 10-19
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12:51<stew>i just recently cleaned up, so i'm down to 86 windows
12:51<fxiny>86 !
12:52<fxiny>wt4x ! i want your box !
12:52<petemc>i never let it go over 19
12:52<stew>i leave all of my bitlbee windows open
12:54<desperate>stew: nice
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12:55<desperate>w00t 86 windows!!!
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12:57<arrrgrrr>stew: get a life! :P
12:58<desperate>arrrgrrr: may he is chatting with 86 chics
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12:59<arrrgrrr>or 86 fat greasy old men pretending to be chicks
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12:59[~]desperate vomits
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12:59<fxiny>4 lorry drivers in between (the chicks) as stats suggests ...
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13:00[~]interbird visualises, ehh, virtualizes :-)
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13:02<stew>a bunch of those windows are someone that I was warning for spamming in #debian, not real conversations, i keep them around for reference for a few weeks
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13:03<desperate>what's bitlbee?
13:03<fxiny>that explain some f* quick ban too , sometimes i have to scroll up to understand why : now i know :))
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13:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client!, or /connect ; type `help'
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13:05<stew>desperate: i use irssi in order to chat on aol/msn/google
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13:06<Syntax>hi there
13:06<duekiller>quick question. Anyone know where I can find info about using dual monitors in x
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13:06<Syntax>probably on the xorg web page
13:06<interbird>also depends on your vcard
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13:06<Benix>duekiller: look / google for twin view
13:07<Xitium>I just installed the artwiz fonts how can I refesh my cache without restarting x?
13:07<Syntax>I've never done it before, but I'd assume you would modify the Xorg.conf, add another full DISPLAY section
13:07<duekiller>I am using an 8800-nvidia card (apt drivers)
13:07<desperate>actually is called KVM
13:07<desperate>and it's part of X and kernel now
13:08<desperate>you can have to different sessions with mouse and keyboard
13:08<desperate>at the same time
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13:09<Syntax>anyone use xmlresume before? I'm getting this error when I run make -- Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/xalan/xslt/Process
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13:10<Syntax>could it be a classpath problem?
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13:10<Xitium>I just installed the artwiz fonts how can I refesh my cache without restarting x?
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13:12<Syntax>I don't think there is a debian package that contains artwiz. are you using ubuntu?
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13:13<stew>Syntax: is libxalan2-java installed?
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13:14<Syntax>ii libxalan2-java 2.7.0-1 XSL Transformations (XSLT) processor in Java
13:14<Syntax>appears to be
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13:14<Syntax>however, my $CLASSPATH seems to be empty. echo $CLASSPATH returns a blank line
13:14<stew>Syntax: how did you install xmlresume?
13:14<stew>Syntax: it should be empty
13:15<Syntax>I first started with the .tar.gz from the authors web site. then I intsalled the .deb package
13:15<stew>Syntax: what does "readlink -r $(which java)" return?
13:15<Syntax>installing the .deb should have taken care of the dependencies?
13:15<interbird>duekiller: googled a bit on your card and xorg, could not find anything usable as of today, sorry.
13:16<Syntax>stew, -r is an invalid option :-(
13:16<stew>Syntax: sorry, -f
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13:16<Syntax>stew, /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-
13:17<stew>Syntax: but yes, it took care of the dependencies, you should have xalan2.jar which contains that class in /usr/share/java
13:17<stew>Syntax: how are you running it?
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13:18<Syntax>stew, I simply type "make" while my resume.xml is in the ~/incoming/resume-1_5_1/examples directory... so it's using the makefile from the .tar.gz I downloaded
13:18<Xitium>Syntax, I found a .deb and installed it with dpkg -i
13:18<Syntax>Xitium, probably unofficial. anyhow, I'm not quite sure you can refresh without restarting X
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13:19<Syntax>stew, I'll try putting it under /usr/share/doc/xml-resume-library/debian-examples and try again
13:20<Syntax>that got me farther
13:20<Xitium>Syntax, I'm not running full x, I'm using vnc I have restarted that and I have restarted the box but something seems wrong. I have one box that I did the same thing on and it worked perfectly (as far as I can tell) on my other they don't seem to be working
13:20<stew>Syntax: if you are using some Makefile you got from some .tar.gz, you should be looking for some instructions in that .tar.gz
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13:21<Xitium>I should clarify, I'm running VM ware, on my Host box the fonts after installing look much larger than they do on my guest machine
13:21<Syntax>stew, I've made some progress here. you're right -- I was using the wrong makefile. I put it under /usr/share/doc/xml-resume-library/debian-examples and ran make and now I'm missing xmlto... I'll try to find that and get back to you
13:22<Syntax>Xitium, so it's just a font size issue?
13:23<Xitium>It is, but I can't tell if its using the artwiz or if they are just larger for some reason
13:23<duekiller>anyone know the name of the kernel-source package ?
13:23<Syntax>duekiller, apt-cache search kernel-source\*
13:23<cahoot>try linux-source
13:24<Syntax>ahh, yeah, it's been so long since I've used debian... I guess they've changed it to linux-source
13:24<Xitium>only reason I'm trying to use artwiz is because of fluxbox
13:24<duekiller>thanks cahoot I was looking for kenrel-source*
13:24<Syntax>Xitium, Not really sure... I guess you can try removing other font paths, restart X and see how it looks
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13:25<cahoot>Xitium: differing dpi's?
13:25<Syntax>I'm probably giving bad info at this point since I have not used Debian on a regular basis in well over 2 years
13:25<duekiller>what do you use ?
13:25<Syntax>I've been gaming a lot, so I've been in Windows XP
13:26<stew>duekiller: why are you looking for kernel source? you wan't to compile your own kernel? (most people that come here looking for kernel source only really need kernel headers)
13:26<Xitium>cahoot, I have the 75dpi's installed and the 100dpi's I don't know how to check which I'm running
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13:26<Xitium>Syntax, you should use VM ware on your windows box and then run debian on a VM
13:26<cahoot>Xitium: eant differing dpi's on the displays
13:26<cahoot>Xitium: I meant differing dpi's on the displays
13:27<Xitium>its all vnc
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13:27<Xitium>1024x768 depth 16
13:27<Syntax>Xitium, heh, I always found that as a backwards approach :-) I use Debian for reliability, and not as much for functionality, although it does provide very good functionality for a ton of stuff... just not games :-(
13:27<Cmego>cups is not letting me edit printers tried all the usual any help
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13:27<Xitium>Syntax, I know, I have a windows box I use for gaming and then the old windows box became the linux box
13:28<duekiller>I used to be a big gamer... now it's only once in a blue moon
13:28<Syntax>Xitium, I used Debian for about 4 years straight without booting to windows... I even gamed under Linux using cedega. it worked out OK but had some issues.
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13:29<Syntax>duekiller, I have my spirts. right now, I'm really in to gaming. now that I'm between jobs, I need to focus and may get out of gaming for a while again ... getting back into this type of geeky stuff
13:29<Xitium>I haven't ever used cedega
13:29<Xitium>I heard its about as good as it gets for emulation
13:29<stew>duekiller: unless you are compiling a kernel from scratch you don't need -source. if you are compiling a 3rd party drive you need -headers instead
13:29<Syntax>it is
13:30<Syntax>stew, xlsto wants the passivetex package, but ... passivetex isn't available as a .deb :-(
13:30<Syntax>found it under oldstable
13:30<Syntax>... but I really... I mean REALLY dislike installing cross-version packages
13:30<Cmego>any debian experts
13:31<Syntax>Cmego, they're all out to lunch
13:31<Syntax>all 3 of them
13:31<Xitium>I'm pretty new to linux, my wife didn't like the duel boot method so now that I have a spare computer I can play and learn
13:31<stew>Xitium: cedege isn't emulation at all
13:32<stew>or however you spel it
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13:32<Xitium>I use it a lot at work, for all our servers but I can't really *play*
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13:32<Syntax>Xitium, that's good for you. it's a fun experience, but your milage may vary. there are tons of things you can get Linux to do
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13:33<Syntax>Xitium, stew is right... cedega runs a modified version of WINE... it's more of a compatibility lair as it links to .dll's
13:33<duekiller>Hooray got the nvidia drivers to install finally !
13:34<duekiller>just thought I'd share some joy
13:34<Syntax>WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator
13:34[~]Syntax cheers for dude
13:34[~]Syntax cheers for duekiller
13:34<interbird>I wonder what's not to like about a dual-boot system; possibly because one boots A and the other wants to boot B while A is booted. Maybe just run windoze as a linux process using maybe VirtualBox?
13:35<Xitium>VMware for the win!
13:35<Xitium>sure it is
13:36<interbird>player is, but you cannot create/modify
13:36<Syntax>interbird, that's one issue. one issue for me is hard disk space and having to partition it off. never knowing exactly how much is enough for Windows, it makes it difficult... so I give Windows the biggest partition and work with smaller linux partitions
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13:36<Xitium>vmware is free
13:36<stew>Xitium: its not free
13:36<interbird>Suntax: There are ways around that
13:36<dpkg>hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
13:36<stew>Xitium: where can i download the sourcecode?
13:36<Syntax>honestly, I don't care what a comptuer runs so long as it does what I need it to do and I can work with it without much pain
13:37<Syntax>interbird, bigger hard disk would be a good start :-) ... but I went all out and got the expensive WD enterprise drive running at 10K RPM... they dont' make them too large
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13:38<interbird>Suntax: So you have much data ?
13:38<error3>hi :-)
13:38<Syntax>interbird, not nearly as much on the linux side, so I can make a decision on partitions easier on that side than I can in windows.
13:38<Syntax>but I have ran out of space on / before and had to resize it
13:39<Syntax>not on this box, though... this was looooong ago
13:39<Xitium>stew, when I say free I mean as in doesn't cost anything, you don't have to buy it, you can download it un-tar it and run the .pl file to install
13:39<Syntax>I really only play a few games now, so I may jump back to Linux/cedega
13:39<amphi>Xitium: information wants to be beer
13:40<stew>Xitium: in this channel free is defined by the DFSG
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13:40<Syntax>Xitium, be careful with how you use the term free in front of Linux people. there's a lot of different ways it can be looked at
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13:41<interbird>Suntax: All depends on the partitioning of your disks. That's where one needs their "wisdom". I say, seperate OS from programs and data and virtualize if you can. BTW, VirtualBox OSE lets you virtualize XP and make it a "process" under Linux. With samba you can share files...
13:41<Syntax>interbird, I'd love to run Linux with Windows as a guest OS, however, video drivers normally don't let me play games under a guest OS
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13:42<Xitium>ok, I'll change my statement to say vmware server can be run without having to pay for it
13:43<dpkg>it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:")
13:43<stew>Xitium: yes, or the latin "gratis" (to not be confised with the latin 'liber' or 'libre' or whatever it is)
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13:43<interbird>Suntax: True, games are not meant to be VMmed. But you can still share disk-space between Windows and Linux. Either a shared FAT(32) partition or ext2 drivers for Windows and/or ntfs(3g) drivers for Linux.
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13:44<amphi>'liber' is book IIRC...
13:45<stew>free as in books
13:45<dondelelcaro>libre liber?
13:45<Syntax>interbird, true that... but like I said earlier, my main problem is I've been gaming more than anything lately. at this time, I pretty much only play World of Warcraft and that should work perfectly fine under cedega, so I'll probably do that soon. I had problems with cedega and games that use PunkBuster (anti-cheat software), so I dumpted it way back then
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13:46<amphi>'liber librum' perhaps - my latin is very corroded
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13:48<interbird>Suntax: Okidoki, I'm not a gamer. The thing is not to get doze-games running under Linux, but to inspire native versions. Some game-developers do, some don't. That's the way it is for now i'm afraid...
13:49<Syntax>stew, it looks like the .deb of xmlresume has been modified to use different parsers than the original version. xmlto wants to use passivetex, but there's no passivetex package
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13:50<stew>Syntax: it says "Recommends: xsltproc | xalan | sablotron, xmlto, passivetex | fop" which indicates it can use either passivetex or fop
13:51<stew>Syntax: how did you install it?
13:51<Syntax>interbird, I agree with that as well, but we're far from that reality. When loki games was in business, I bought a good number of their games to support the cause. when cedega was comming up, I subscribed with them to help support the cause. the problem we have is game developers don't want to pay staff with linux knowledge to assist with games under linux. I think id software is probably one of the best when it comes to
13:51<Syntax> a linux port of their games
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13:51<Xitium>I've not played with WoW, I'm mostly addicted to Guild Wars (and on their official wiki they give some tips about how to get it running on linux)
13:51<Syntax>stew, apt-get install xml-resume-library
13:52<DeepDayze>doesn't the WoW patch break it for Linux users?
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13:52<interbird>Syntax: True, it's the "older-than-the-universe" chicken-egg story...
13:52<Syntax>I could probably get WoW to run under WINE itself, but cedega has optimized WINE in respect for games
13:52<DeepDayze>i heard that WoW users on Linux have a harder time
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13:53<Syntax>DeepDayze, I dunno... have not tried it yet. patches can be downloaded/installed manually, though
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13:53<stew>Syntax: well it seems like it should posbbily be able to work with fop, if not, install passivetex from sarge
13:54<DeepDayze>Syntax: some people might not realize that
13:54<Syntax>stew, ok... fop is installed, not sure why it's not using it
13:54<stew>Syntax: then install passivetex
13:54<Syntax>DeepDayze, Blizzard has made a client-side program that uses P2P sharing to distribute their patches... that may not work under Linux
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13:55<Syntax>stew, ok
13:55<DeepDayze>Syntax: they use their own app?
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13:56<Syntax>DeepDayze, yeah, works like Bittorrent
13:56<Syntax>there are times I see it running in the background, both when the game is running or when it's not running
13:56<DeepDayze>ahh, such proprietary apps kinds sucks
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13:57<Syntax>what surprised me is when they were preparing for the new expansion that was released earlier this year, my box was downloading the patch 2 weeks beforehand, and I'm not sure what initiated the download
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13:57<Syntax>I didn't start any programs myself... I think it has a way to periodically phone home to see if updates are needed
13:58<Syntax>stew, did I ever tell you that you da man?
13:59<Syntax>sprocket:/usr/share/doc/xml-resume-library/debian-examples# ls
13:59<Syntax>Makefile resume.html resume.pdf resume.txt resume.xml resume.xml.gz
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14:00<interbird>Sometimes there is a void where a proprietary app fills it. let it do so, because the void will be filled with an open-source app one day. I'm not in favour, I'm not against... On the contrary.
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14:01<Syntax>interbird, yeah, that's the great thing about FOSS and innovation
14:02<interbird>You bet !
14:02<Syntax>developers mock ideas from each other and expand upon it, making the end product much better
14:03<guillaume>Hello :) I wanna scan with xsane and a canon lide 30 but preview and scan are black... what's wrong ?
14:03<Syntax>I still prefer FOSS over proprietary, though. there's been more than a few times where some code had to be modified (fixed) to give me the results I wanted
14:03<interbird>while 'better' is such a relative notion...
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14:03<Syntax>interbird, haha, yep
14:03<interbird>there is no preference, actually...
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14:04<interbird>there is what is now and there is where we're going; and that is to be :-)
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14:05<interbird>the question is: you people want their computer to tell them what to do, or do they want to tell the computer what do do...
14:05<Syntax>I'd prefer that I tell my PC what to do, and it goes about it in a way that it likes to do it
14:05<JasonS>ask not what you can do with your computer?
14:06<interbird>JasonS: actually, quite to the point me thinks
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14:07<cahoot>Ask not what your computer can do for you, but what you can do for your computer?
14:07<interbird>that's the one:-)
14:08<Syntax>xmlresume is so cool :-) glad I found it
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14:09<Syntax>well, I'd love to stay and chat but job hunting and WoW is claling me :-)
14:09<Syntax>everyone take care
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14:09<interbird>you too
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14:10<kevinl>anyone know what program actually creates .Xauthority?
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14:10<interbird>starting X itself
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14:11<tomv_w>say, kernel-package produces images with 'my $ramdisk = ""mkinitramfs"";' in postinst. what am I doing wrong?
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14:17<interbird>Anyone on this channel an OOo-calc knowledgeable? How can I tell Calc not to 'correct' names of (some) months entered in a text-cell?
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14:20<cahoot>the obvious 'Autocorrection' mode isn't the answer then?
14:20<interbird>it would be in writer, but i cannot find it in calc
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14:22<petemc>is the cell formatted to display dates, or free text?
14:22<interbird>free text
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14:24<interbird>it changes april to April but leaves novmber november; i guess it sees april as a name, but i cannot find how to tell calc to do not so
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14:39<interbird>Well, I've been a bit blind. There is in fact "Autocorrect" in Calc, which I have not tried yet because setting Tools->Cell Contents->AutoInput to off also does the trick. Thanks for the lead!
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14:40<bigFoot^nothere>Evening folks
14:40<bigFoot^nothere>Mind if I ask for some help?
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14:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:41<bigFoot^>I'm having a problem with the Etch installer: it gets as far ask scanning my drives before installing but freezes up (at 38% according to the GUI). That is - before the partitioning or anything like that.
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14:42<qbit>only if you don't mind us resoponding with a bot :D
14:42<linuxfce>dont ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it. good advice lol
14:42<qbit>bigFoot^, how is the disk attached? ide, scsi?
14:42<interbird>bigFoot^: sata drive present ?
14:42<linuxfce>sata may require that you set legacy ide option in bios
14:42<bigFoot^>Sata, Aye. It's a brand new 500GB Sata2
14:43<bigFoot^>Legacy IDE is set
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14:43<StCyr>can't you type CTRL+ALT+F2... to get more logs (this works in RH)
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14:44<bigFoot^>Yes, but I'm not sure what info you'd need from that
14:44<interbird>bigFoot^: Promise chipset maybe ?
14:44<bigFoot^>Mo, nvidia
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14:45<interbird>bigFoot^: Tried if Knoppix bootable linux-cd works ?
14:45<bigFoot^>Knoppix... Yes, it did work a while back when I needed it, with one minor problem
14:45<bigFoot^>From what I remember, the sound didn't work, or something like that
14:45<bigFoot^>But that was before I installed this HD - worth trying again?
14:46<bigFoot^>I have Knoppix 5.1 burned... somewhere....
14:46[~]bigFoot^ searches
14:46<interbird>bigFoot^: Maybe use Fn keys at Etch install and disable hardware-detection ?
14:47[~]bigFoot^ returns, triumphant
14:47<bigFoot^>interbird: Yes, I'll try that.
14:47<bigFoot^>Hold on - let me get on with my laptop.
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15:10<desperate>anybody here using Dvorak>
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15:15<Supaplex>almost never, and not by choice. :P
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15:38<Erbureth>Hi, guys, got a little problem with installing GRUB onto my laptop from Fujitsu-siemens (model Amilo xi 2428), SATA had
15:38<Erbureth>SATA harddrive
15:39<Erbureth>when i try to install it, it just says, that instalation failed
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15:39<Erbureth>The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
15:39<Erbureth>this is that error message
15:40<Erbureth>i tried various things (including passing another parameters, playing with console), but i could not solve it
15:40<Erbureth>any ideas?
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15:41<Erbureth>could you please give me at least a nudge? i am quite hopeless now
15:41[~]Vakio has no idea.
15:42<Erbureth>btw, the file /boot/grub/stage1 is present
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15:45<interbird>Erbureth: First thing is to see if GRUB recognizes your harddisk. One way would be to boot knoppix, enter the grub command and type: setup(hd and then the tab-key to complete auto-detection)
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15:48<interbird>Erbureth: Also, GUI installation of GRUB can fail where manual installation succeeds. And also, sometimes restrictions in old BIOS keep GRUB from accessing drives/partitions, mostly if you try to chain GRUB beyond a certain LBA.
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15:51<Erbureth>interbird: GRUB recognizes all operating systems that are installed, i am trying to install Debian, and installation is stuck on GRUB installing
15:51<Erbureth>(i have Windows Vista there and I want Linux
15:52<Erbureth>interbird: i have tried accesing grub shell, but it fails with error
15:52<Erbureth>Error opening terminal: bterm
15:53<interbird>Erbureth: If you can boot from a Knoppix CD I can help you.
15:53<interbird>(I think)
15:53<Erbureth>interbird: ok, i will dl knoppix right now
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15:55<Supaplex>Erbureth: did you use the installer?
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15:58<interbird>Nah, you need this one for that :-)
15:59<Tb0n3>I want to install debian on my laptop, now that I see the ubuntu just isn't my cup of tea for this computer, but the one thing I want is for there to be wireless support, how would I go about this on debian?
15:59<meglaw>depends on your chip
15:59<Tb0n3>I remember mad-wifi f'd up a while ago on etch
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16:00<meglaw>its working fine for me
16:00<Tb0n3>err, actually, I think it's an intel
16:00<Tb0n3>forgot how to check
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16:01<Erbureth>Supaplex: nope, i used debian install cd
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16:03<duekiller>anyone know where the x server config file is ?
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16:03[~]Vakio knows.
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16:03<interbird>Erbureth: Are we disconnected ?
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16:04<Erbureth>interbird: it is being burnt
16:04<interbird>Ok :-)
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16:05<Tb0n3>it is an Intel wireless chip but how would I find out what one? and if it's supported in mad-wifi
16:05<Tb0n3>cause I hate ubuntu, help me please
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16:05<silent>Tb0n3, try lspci
16:05<Tb0n3>thank you
16:06<Tb0n3>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
16:06<interbird>2200BG works
16:06<Tb0n3>which disk are these on?
16:06<silent>I had to get ndiswrapper to get my card to work
16:06<Tb0n3>that was the one other problem
16:06<silent>not sure if yours has native support
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16:09<Tb0n3>intel has linux drivers
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16:09<amphi>Tb0n3: ipw2200
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16:11<Erbureth>interbird: I got the CD burnt, and i am in Knoppix now
16:12<Erbureth>interbird: what shall i do now?
16:12<interbird>Tb0n3: Open a terminal and give the command: lsmod|grep 2200 if this shows some lines the driver is loaded
16:12<amphi>Tb0n3: you need the firmware and the module
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16:12<interbird>Erbureth: Start the machine with the grub-problem from this cd
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16:12<Erbureth>it is running
16:13<Erbureth>i am in Grub shell now
16:13<interbird>it's your running machine ?
16:13<Erbureth>nope, i got another laptop
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16:13<interbird>so, uou can boot the knx-cd ?
16:14<Erbureth>yeah, knoppix is up and running :)
16:14<interbird>open a terminal
16:14<Erbureth>done, and grub shell is running too
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16:15<interbird>grub shell ? you started it ? exit first, we will use fdisk first to see what disks you have...
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16:16<Erbureth>i can tell you now
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16:16<interbird>tell me
16:16<Erbureth>i got one big SATA hard drive with three partitions
16:16<tb0n3_>this stupid wireless device
16:16<Erbureth>first is the hidden one, i do not want to touch it (expect MBR :) )
16:16<Erbureth>second is 30GB ext3 linux
16:16<tb0n3_>I think intel messed up, in windows it disconnected randomly while running in 802.11G mode
16:16<Erbureth>and third is NTFS Windows
16:17<Erbureth>names are sda1,2,3
16:17<interbird>grub does not speak of sd or hd, what are you in now?
16:18<interbird>fdisk/cfdisk ?
16:18<Erbureth>i was talking about /dev nodes :)
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16:18<interbird>what are you in now? a command-prompt or a grub-prompt ?
16:18<Erbureth>grub prompt
16:19<Erbureth>and i got already /boot/grub dir on linux partition
16:19<interbird>are you in the shell now ?
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16:20<interbird>fdisk -l tells you sda and no hda ?
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16:21<Erbureth>only those 3 partitions of /dev/sda i was talking about
16:22<interbird>tell me the partition-id's you get with fisk -l, i know we are going slow, but this is delicate work...
16:23<interbird>like, 82,83,7,16,...
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16:23<Erbureth>27, 7, 7
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16:23<Erbureth>sda1 is 27, the others are 7
16:23<interbird>and you have a linux partition on that drive ?
16:24<Erbureth>i have linux on sda2
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16:25<interbird>27 is no valid partition-id, 7 is windows ntfs or os/2 hpfs. I don't know what you are doing...
16:26<Erbureth>i was staring at that too
16:26<interbird>linux is type 83 and linux swap is 82
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16:26<Erbureth>but i really formated that partition to ext3
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16:26<Erbureth>using debian installer
16:26<Erbureth>and system is already installed there
16:27<interbird>installed ?
16:27<Erbureth>i was installing Debian linux using netinst cd
16:27<interbird>like usable / bootable ?
16:27<Lisa696>I need any graphif program for replay files .acap..
16:28<Erbureth>but it failed while installing GRUB
16:28<interbird>so you can boot linux ?
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16:28<Erbureth>i do not have grub installed
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16:28<Erbureth>cause it could not write itself to MBR (i do not know, why)
16:29<Cripps>I have an intel 945gm graphics controller and I am trying to set up Xinerama. When I do "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and then try "startx" I get the error "Caught Signal 11. Server Aborting" the relevant parts of my Xorg.conf are located here ( ... could I get a hand working on this? More information is available if it is needed.
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16:30<interbird>grub might not install with this type 27, you say you can boot linux, how ?
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16:31<Erbureth>interbird: i can boot only live cd, debian on harddrive is installed, but i have no way to boot it
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16:31<Erbureth>btw, i have tried to mount that sda2 partition using both ext3 and ntfs driver. ext3 succeded, ntfs failed
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16:32<interbird>Erbureth: OK, what partition is your windows on and what partitions did you reserve for Desbian ? (1,2,3) -- tell me the types after fdisk -l for each partition
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16:34<Erbureth>interbird: 1: hidden partition from manufacture, i do not want to touch it. 2: ext3 partition with Debian. 3: NTFS partition with Windows Vista
16:35<wo0f_>does adduser have a function to change a user's name?
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16:36<interbird>Erbureth: You are missing a swap partition, type 82, if you have space left you can create it now using cfdisk from the knoppix prompt. start cfdisk and tell me if there is space left
16:36<paxmaster>I am trying to compile a software call gnomad2 but error comes that configure: error: Package requirements ( glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 libnjb >= 2.2.4 gtk+-2.0 ) were not met:
16:36<Erbureth>interbird: i know i do not have it, i will not use it
16:36<interbird>wo0F: man usermod
16:37<wo0f_>cheers interbird
16:37<Erbureth>or better, i will make swap into file
16:37<Erbureth>i did not want to disturb hard drive structure
16:38<interbird>Erbureth: How did you make room for Debian on your hd in the first place ?
16:38<Erbureth>interbird: that partition was already there, i just reformatted it to ext3
16:39<interbird>Erbureth: You also need a swap partition, type 82
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16:39<Erbureth>interbird: grub requires it?
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16:40<kweetnie>are there any problems with the package list retrieval for amd64 debian security repository?
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16:42<kweetnie>i get stat (2 unknown ...) when i run apt-get update
16:43<interbird>No, Grub is just a bootloader. But Linux and thus Debian needs it. I can imagine the Debian installation going wrong. You could try to use the partition-editor available in Knoppix... But you'll have to know what you are doing. And at least have a backup of the partition that is holy: windows vista....
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16:44<interbird>Erbureth: In short: you drive-partitioning is not correct if you have no type 82 swap partition besides the linux and the vista systems.
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16:44<interbird>and no space left to create a swap
16:46<Erbureth>i can try it, but i do not have internet connection to my laptop here. i know, that i do not have swap, but that laptop has 1 GB of ram and it showed no errors during instalation ( except one package that manages suspension, but it was only not configured)
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16:48<interbird>grub does not depend on partitions, but it is a loader for operatingsystems. for linux it needs to know where what is. so, we could make grub boot linux or vista, but booting linux might fail because of the missing swap-partition, type 82. also, type 27 is not linux, so things went wrong somewhere.
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16:49<Erbureth>well, this should be it :)
16:49<Erbureth>if i can change partition number manually...
16:49<Erbureth>using hexedit
16:49<interbird>You can
16:50<Erbureth>so i will try it
16:50<Erbureth>thank you very much
16:50<interbird>Using fdisk, but that still leaves you without a swap-partition for linux
16:50<interbird>fdisk /dev/sda
16:51<interbird>use ? for help (on the fdisk prompt)
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16:52<interbird>** using fdisk and the w command to write your changes to disk might lose your vista ! **
16:52<Erbureth>it would not matter :) i do not like vista either
16:53<Erbureth>could i try cfdisk? it is more user friendly
16:53<interbird>well, shall we wipe the disk now and prepare it for a Debian install now ? I that's what you want, I won't go to sleep just yet
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16:55<Erbureth>well, i would still prefer not to wipe disk, for i have precious data on my hard drive (that earlier was partly joke, i still do not like vista)
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16:58<interbird>Ok, well, to install Linux aside of any version of Windows requires just a little more that just next->next. If you know what I mean. Still it is possible and I still would like to help you. But remotely giving commands that mess with disk-layout is not a good thing to do. Because of this precious data, uou know ?
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16:59<Erbureth>i know
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17:00<Erbureth>it is not my first time installing linux, i have it home at my desktop, but this is the first time i am having such problem
17:00<interbird>I understand but cannot help you *safely* this far away.
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17:01<Requiem>doesn't the new Lenny installer back up your data for you?
17:01<Erbureth>i am aware
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17:01<Erbureth>Requiem: i had etch installer
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17:03<Erbureth>interbird: btw, i have one question
17:04<Erbureth>what is the correct id number of ext3 partition and is it in hexadecimal or decimal?
17:04<interbird>Etch installer recognizes other systems, one might thing that systems payed for do even a better job, but no, they claim the whole drive; which is the root of many problems.
17:04<interbird>83 decimal
17:05<Erbureth>cause i dumped my bootsector
17:05<ameyer>I actually thought the id numbers were hex
17:05<Erbureth>and first partition has 27 hexadecimal
17:05<interbird>Erbureth: sorry, hex. just checking if you are still awake :-)
17:06<Erbureth>you are from Europe too?
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17:07<themill>interbird:, Erbureth: according to fdisk, it's 83 hex
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17:07<interbird>themill is awake also :-)
17:07<Erbureth>themill: thx, got it now :)
17:07<themill>but a bit slower
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17:07<Erbureth>ok, i am gonna edit MBR manually... wish me luck :)
17:07[~]themill is cursing svn-buildpackage
17:07<interbird>but right
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17:09<interbird>editing MBR cannot make room for swap; fdisk can edit type for you
17:09<Erbureth>interbird: i do not want swap now, i just need grub
17:09<interbird>Erbureth: you now need to make room for swap
17:09<Erbureth>swap can wait :)
17:10<interbird>Erbureth: whatever you want; fdisk /dev/sda command t will change the type for you; don't blame me if stuff goes wrong...
17:10<Erbureth>i do not have internet connection for that laptop now, so i cannot mess with partitions too much
17:11<Erbureth>interbird: thx, but i think i will prefer dd and hexedit :)
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17:11<Erbureth>already fixed my broken harddrive by that about year ago :)
17:11<interbird>you don't need internet to mess with partitions, some hex editor will do :-)
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17:12<Erbureth>interbird: yeah, but if i had to reinstall system, i would not have access to packages
17:12<interbird>fdisk /dev/sda command l will show you some common partition types
17:12<Erbureth>you know, dormitory policy, you can connect only registered comps :)
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17:16<Zathras>Hi. If I use dd to make an ISO image of a Windows CD the ISO image is no longer bootable. How can I fix this?
17:17<Zathras>using Debian Etch
17:17<interbird>dd with cd?
17:17<interbird>man readcd
17:17<Nemoder>using the ISO in a vm or you mean not bootable after reburning it?
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17:18<Zathras>I want to use the CD in a vm, yes.
17:19<Zathras>but it does not boot. That is the image is not booting
17:19<interbird>Zathras: try readcd
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17:23<Erbureth>interbird: rebooted, grub now recognizes ext3 partition
17:24<Zathras>interbird, what is the difference between readon/readcd and dd? why will dd not work? my DVD-rw drive is ATA not sata unlike my disks and is not recognized by wodim -scanbus. Can that be fixed?
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17:26<interbird>Zathras: A cd-device is a bit strange. It is not a direct image so dd cannot handle it. readcd knows how to handle it. i just know the solution, not the cause...
17:26<interbird>dvd is different
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17:26<Zathras>k. ty. But do you know a fix for the scanbus ATA/SATA issue?
17:27<interbird>what's that issue ?
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17:29<Zathras>readon requires a device as a parameter to specifu where it should read data. If you do not specify it it does a guess. Otherwise one should define the device. The device can be found with 'wodim' according to the man-page to do a scan. It scans the scsi-bus for devices. In my case it recognizes my 4 SATA disks but not my PATA DVD-RW drive
17:30<duekiller>how do I set X to start up by default (GUI logon screen)
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17:30<chealer>duekiller: which X session type do you use?
17:31<Erbureth>duekiller: you should include kdm/gdm in your starting scripts, but i am not sure, how
17:31<chealer>duekiller: do not send private messages without asking for permission first.
17:31<chealer>duekiller: install kdm
17:31<duekiller>still getting the hang of this etiquette down
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17:34<Erbureth>interbird: grub is installed, horray :)
17:35<interbird>ok, now boot grub
17:36<Zathras>interbird, solved: wodim -scanbus dev=ATA
17:36<interbird>Zathras: ok
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17:37<Erbureth>horray, debian is up and running
17:37<Zathras>doing now a: readom -v dev=ATA:1,1,0 f=rawimage.iso
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17:37<Erbureth>thank you very much :)
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17:38<interbird>You did it all yourself
17:39<Erbureth>but you helped me identify the problem
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17:39<interbird>but you still have no swap
17:39<Erbureth>going to bed now, good night and see you all guys later
17:39<Erbureth>swap will be in separate file, i will just edit /etc/fstab
17:39<Erbureth>do not worry, i have used it before
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17:45<klys>is squid capable of port forwarding?
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17:48[~]Lisa696 (name) talk...
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17:51<klys>is there anything like apf-server for woody
17:51<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>
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17:51<interbird>squid is a proxy-server. port-forwarding is something different and is out-of-squid scope, afaik.
17:52<klys>apf-server looks good so far
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17:53<Zathras>interbird, that image I just made is not bootable either, shoud I use some parameters?
17:54<interbird>Zathras: you have a cd or a dvd to make an image (iso) of ?
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17:56<interbird>Zathras: how are you trying to boot it? in a virtual machine ? if so, what virtual-machine software ?
17:56<Zathras>end goal is vmware ESX
17:57<Zathras>drive is a BENQ DVD DW1625
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17:58<Zathras>booting in VMs works fine for instance when I download a knoppix image
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18:00<interbird>are you trying to create an iso-image of a cd(rw) or a dvd(rw) ?
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18:01<Zathras>I am trying to create an ISO image of a Windows CD using a DVD drive
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18:02<Zathras>I found a page which describes how to do it for Vista. Win2k should be the same I guess.
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18:05<interbird>Zathras: readcd should work, have you tried that? man readcd should tell you all there is to know
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18:07<interbird>Can you boot the cd itself? Maybe it's faulty ?
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18:17<Rod>pls, the mime-type information is into the file? I'm using Gnome 2.14.3
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18:19<Zathras>interbird, CD seems not to be ok. did not use it for a time
18:19<Zathras>thanks for your help
18:19<Rod>my file is a .html but in his priprieties say: Mime-type=text/plain
18:19<Zathras>will try with another tomorrow
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18:23<ameyer>Rod: that sounds right, I think
18:24<interbird>luck; maybe it's the contents of the cd; just kiddin' :-)
18:24<ameyer>or not...
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18:24<Aleric>What is a good program for linux to download video's from a video camera and edit them?
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18:26<arrrgrrr>Aleric: try dvgrab and avidemux
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18:59<error3>somebody here ? :-)
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19:00<dkr>error3: don't ask silly questions. ask your real question
19:00<error3>yep you're right
19:00<error3>well I'm looking for a software name/format name I saw on planet gnome some months ago that give you the possibility of self executing it
19:00<dpkg>Test Failed.
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19:05<Xenguy>Hi - I know little about audio capture, and wonder if there is a *simple* way to record/capture audio from MySpace streaming audio (I believe it is flash based). Is there an easy method (sound quality is not really important, I'm just trying to record a sample), perhaps some way of just capturing what I am hearing through my sound card ?
19:06<dkr> ?
19:08<De_Ghosty>there is
19:08<De_Ghosty>lota of ways
19:08<klys>what's the best way to compile something for use on woody?
19:08<Xenguy>De_Ghosty: I'm just looking for a quick one-off, and quality is not really important
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19:09<Xenguy>dkr: no idea about that, would have to read further - doesn't really look straightforward tho
19:09<error3>ok found... glick
19:10<Xenguy>dli: checkinstall is worth a look if you must compile
19:10<Xenguy>De_Ghosty: any pointers on this?
19:11<De_Ghosty>yes there is
19:11<De_Ghosty>are you running nix?
19:11<De_Ghosty>do you have a window on top?
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19:11<Xenguy>De_Ghosty: debian of course :-)
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19:12<De_Ghosty>i donno
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19:12<De_Ghosty>i only use this for window
19:12<De_Ghosty>3d mp3 sound recorder?
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19:12<Xenguy>De_Ghosty: I am not running d0ze, no
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19:19<gabo>i have a poroblem whit skyoe
19:19<d00d__>gabo: what type
19:19<gabo>my microphone is not functioning
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19:20<gabo>i can't record voice
19:20<d00d__>Are you runing KDE gabo ?
19:20<d00d__>KMix runing?
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19:20<gabo>ok wait
19:21<d00d__>Try starting that then restart skype
19:22<gabo>d00d: write kMix in console?
19:22<gabo>like root?
19:22<d00d__>just as user
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19:23<gabo>ok i write kmix but i don't know wath
19:23<d00d__>Did it load up?
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19:24<gabo>i supuse
19:24<d00d__>Well, you will see icon at the tray see if your mic will even work now
19:24<gabo>in don't see
19:25<gabo>oo ok
19:25<gabo>y kmix ready
19:25<gabo>i see the mic
19:25<d00d__>try recording
19:26<gabo>i see input source, this is?
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19:27<gabo>how i can record?
19:27<d00d__>Disconnect from skype and reconnect see if your mic works
19:27<d00d__>well, anyway i have to go gl.
19:27<gabo>ok thanks
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19:50<schlurchz>Hi, after upgrading my box to Etch, importing keys with gnupg takes ages...
19:50<schlurchz>some keys take ~3 minutes, most about 30 seconds.
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19:51<schlurchz>it's the trustdb check... I can't find anything in the changelog.
19:52<schlurchz>I've found some old discussions about that issue in the net, but here has started with the dist-upgrade... so I'm wondering what might have changed...
19:53<schlurchz>s/here/here it/
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19:58<flami>Is there a way to get Java 6 on etch amd64 ? I tried to get a package from sid , and from backports , neither of them seems to work.
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20:15<arrrgrrr>woohoo 2.6.23 is out
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20:18<stew>still not tickless in amd64 (at least from my reading of the changelog)
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20:19<duekiller>anyone still up ?
20:19<arrrgrrr>duekiller: some of us, yes
20:20<duekiller>I got a quick question
20:20<duekiller>any recommendation on a java IDE for KDE ?
20:21<arrrgrrr>not me, I used to use vi to write java :P
20:21<duekiller>sounds like a pain
20:22<duekiller>I am going to give eclipse a try.... see how it goes, hope I don't dip myself into compiler/IDE hell
20:23<chealer>stew: are you sure you red changelog page 1234?
20:24<arrrgrrr>I heard something good about beans
20:24<arrrgrrr>or something similar
20:24<chealer>netbeans I guess
20:24<chealer>2.6.24 is going to be the real one, rt2x00 and iwlwifi :)
20:24<duekiller>netbeans is alright, but flakey
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20:24<duekiller>used it in win*
20:25<duekiller>JBuilder was nice, but primitive... I was wondering if there was something nice Linux
20:25<stew>chealer: tickless on amd64?
20:25<chealer>stew: hehehe. no idea. I don't even know what tickless means.
20:26<stew>chealer: CONFIG_NO_HZ ; let the processor sleep until next interrupt, gets you much better battery life
20:26<arrrgrrr>no ticks, those little blood suckers
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20:28<chealer>stew: OK
20:28<flami>If you really want something shiny in java , eclipse should be allright , I recommend just downloading it and extracting it in your home , makes installing updates etc easier.
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20:29<posaves>Hola como van?
20:30<posaves>tengo un problema con debian ecth
20:30<posaves>alguien que quiera escucharme?
20:30<arrrgrrr>english only, posaves
20:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:32<posaves>Ok. why? so little people speak spanish in there.
20:33<flami>becuase this is the enlish channel . thats it :P
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20:33[~]sward wants to learn enlish
20:34[~]flami recommends attending school
20:35<arrrgrrr>I'm not sure there's a school out there teaching enlish
20:36<flami>yes its a hybrid language , you can lean eet at " flamis enlish skool" .
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20:37<arrrgrrr>no tank q
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20:37<flami>chour enlish is alreedy fery god.
20:38<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
20:38<flami>see sha
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20:38<posaves>Debian are the same in englis that in spanish
20:39[~]ka help me. i lost my msn
20:40<dkr>that sounds like a good thing
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20:40[~]sward gives ka Jabber
20:40[~]ka maybe
20:41[~]ka I lost some of my friends
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20:43[~]ka what tools can find my password? thanks
20:44<dondelelcaro>ka: msn's technical support, presumably; either case it's totally OT for #debian
20:44<ameyer>and excessive usee of /me
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20:45[~]ka i know
20:46<paveq_>seems like someone doesn't know that /me is for
20:46<Cosmituu>ae galera tme algum brasileiroo aii
20:46<Cosmituu> please
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20:47<brigan>got a problem updated etch and now nvidia drivers dont work i had gcc problems from 4.1 to 4.2 when running the nvidia driver program but now when xserv starts all i get is a black screen ?
20:48<duekiller>anyone here any good with setting up the eclipse IDE ?
20:48[~]ka I think here can get some tools to crack the code
20:48<stew>duekiller: what do you mean by set it up?
20:48<dkr>ka: youdon't use "I" when using /me
20:49<stew>duekiller: installing it should be as simple as "aptitude install eclipse"
20:49<duekiller>I did that
20:49<duekiller>ps: how do I direct a message towads you so it will highlight ?
20:49<dkr>duekiller: use the person's name
20:49<duekiller>I am getting some ClassNotFoundException
20:50<duekiller>stew I am getting some ClassNotFoundException
20:50<stew>duekiller: what are you doing when you get the error, and exactly what is the error?
20:50<duekiller>dkr thank you
20:50<stew>duekiller: you can probably just hit s<tab> or st<tab> to hilight me
20:50<duekiller>stew I load it up and I get an "Integrated browser error" and then the actual IDE is f***ed up
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20:51<duekiller>The actual window where the code is supposed to go says "Unable to create this part due to an internal error...."
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20:52<duekiller>stew I am going to reinstall the JVM and see if that fixes it
20:52<posaves>Hey! some body kwows where is the file that are related with .xsesion-error
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20:53<stew>duekiller: what did you do that caused that error? you just started eclipse?
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20:53<duekiller>stew it never started correctly
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20:54<posaves>is the file related with /home/jorge/.metacity/sessions/
20:54<duekiller>stew reinstalled jvm and it still doesn't work
20:54<duekiller>stew the "java -version" command works though
20:55<stew>duekiller: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return?
20:56<duekiller>stew "/usr/bin/gij-4.2"
20:56<duekiller>stew what is that command
20:56<brigan>hello im having a problem when i upgraded etch my nvidia drivers quit working i tried reinstalling them it had a Gcc compiler error but i fixed that and ran the driver program and now the when the xserver starts i get a black screen
20:57<stew>duekiller: that tells us which implementation of java you are using, and you are using the gnu java interpreter
20:57<stew>duekiller: when you said you reinstalled java, what command did you do that with?
20:58<duekiller>apt-get install java-package
20:59<[Dark-Star]>hi, im still kinda new to Debian and i have been looking around and noticed alot of program that are made with the ".deb" say to add something to the "/etc/apt/sources.list" and do an "apt-get update" but i have no idea where the "apt-get update" is
20:59<stew>duekiller: java-package is not a java implementation, it is just a tool for taking a non-free java implentation that you would download from someone like sun or ibm and make a debian package out of it
20:59<duekiller>stew do I need to do an apt-get -u
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20:59<stew>duekiller: however that tool is rarely needed anymore since debian is distributing the sun jvm in non-free now
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21:00<duekiller>stew so I don't need ot do a dpkg
21:00<stew>duekiller: i don't know what "apt-get - " does
21:01<dondelelcaro>stew: you seem to be blinking away there
21:01<stew>yeah, i dunno why
21:01<duekiller>stew the tutorial at said to do it
21:01<stew>or how
21:02<stew>duekiller: if you intend to use the sun jvm, that is outdated information, you can simply install sun-java5-jdk from non-free: /msg dpkg non-free
21:02<duekiller>stew ???
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21:03<duekiller>stew: this is my first day using linux.... so that kind of went over my head
21:03<stew>man, sun needs to just finish freeing that stuff up
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21:03<duekiller>stew: didn't they release all their libraries like a year ago ?
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21:04<mrtrill>how do i compile kernel NTFS on debian
21:04<stew>duekiller: no, they released some
21:04<mrtrill>how do i compile kernel NTFS on debian
21:04<brigan>can someone help me ?
21:04<lupine_85>you don't have kernel ntfs
21:04<stew>duekiller: you are following instructions that are very much out of date. they are telling you to download the sun jvm and make a package out of it and install it. but all you really need to do is install it from debian since debian is packaging it for you now
21:04<lupine_85>there's ntfs-3g, which is fuse
21:04<dpkg>ntfs-3g is probably a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at
21:04<manphiz>kernel NTFS support is basically useless
21:04<duekiller>stew: I have the jdk bin file sitting around and i did an sh on it. If that helps at all
21:04<lupine_85>that's not a kernel module, thankfully
21:04<mrtrill>ok tq
21:05<mrtrill>tq very much
21:05<stew>duekiller: i don't recommend using it
21:05<duekiller>stew: oh...
21:05<duekiller>stew: so any ideas on how to install the sun jvm
21:05<stew>duekiller: i recomend installing sun-java5-jdk, which is the debian package of sun's java, but packaged for debian
21:05<stew>err, that was redundantly redundant
21:06<stew>duekiller: debian distributes sun-java5-jdk in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free
21:06<mrtrill>where do i can found information about Ubuntu Linux
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21:06<brigan>hello im having a problem when i upgraded etch my nvidia drivers quit working i tried reinstalling them it had a Gcc compiler error but i fixed that and ran the driver program and now the when the xserver starts i get a black screen
21:06<stew>mrtrill: try #ubuntu on
21:06<mrtrill>stew--> t.q
21:07<duekiller>stew: I will look around and try to get it working. THanks for the pointers, much appreciated (we all had to start somewhere)
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21:08<interbird>brigan: using driver from nvidia site ?
21:08<brigan>tried envy and wont work with the update
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21:09<brigan>ive tried everything
21:09<[Dark-Star]>let me ask this, could someone tell me where i can find the "apt-get" is @ in the o/s
21:10<interbird>brigan: goto text-console as root, then uninstall previous driver and install new driver. backup your /etc/xorg.conf to /etc/xorg/conf.backup
21:10<brigan>i got the drive from the website last night is there a newer one than that
21:10<amphi>brigan: envy is evil, from what I've heard
21:11<brigan>yes it it
21:11<interbird>brigan: sorry,typo: backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
21:11<brigan>did that
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21:12<brigan>i have a xorg.cong.backup
21:12<interbird>uninstall old or current driver
21:12<interbird>reinstall new driver
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21:12<brigan> is there a new driver?
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21:13<interbird>you upgraded ?
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21:13<stew>[Dark-Star]: apt-get is /usr/bin/apt-get ; what are you trying to do?
21:14<brigan>yes i used synaptic and updated
21:14<stew>dondelelcaro: what am I doing?
21:14<brigan>after i changed my repos
21:14<dondelelcaro>stew: damned if I know
21:15<duekiller>anyone remember the command to get into the nvidia configuration menu ?
21:15<dondelelcaro>stew: never bothered to learn the color codes
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21:15<brigan>nvidia-xconfig ?
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21:16<interbird>ls /bin/nvidia*
21:16<Eva_>are device drivers part of the 2.4 kernel ? what about 2.6 ?
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21:17<Eva_>anyone ?
21:17<brigan>what is the nvidia driver packet called
21:17<brigan>from apt-get
21:17<interbird>open-source device-drivers are part of the kernel, either compiled in or loadable as a module
21:17<duekiller>got it
21:18<interbird>device-drivers without source-code are not
21:18<Eva_>interbird: and that is the case for both versions of the kernel ?
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21:19<duekiller>brigan: thanks for the help
21:19<duekiller>brigan: you got me in the right direction the rest was just google
21:19<brigan>now if i could just get my drivers working
21:19<duekiller>brigan: nvidia ?
21:20<brigan>and the new etch
21:20<Eva_>interbird: i think i read somewhere that there differences in the way device drivers work from 2.4 to 2.6. do you know anything about it ?
21:20<[Dark-Star]>im tring to install snakebite
21:20<Eva_>duekiller: aptitude search nvidia
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21:20<brigan>its the where they read the drivers from
21:21<duekiller>I got them working by luck somehow
21:21<duekiller>what's the error I might be able to help
21:21<Eva_>i see
21:21<interbird>Eva: what you what to know ?
21:21<brigan>i wish i had gcc problems fixed that but now the old drivers just turn the xserver screen black
21:21<kop>Is there an offical place where latest kernels live that are being worked on by the kernel team?
21:21<duekiller>ohhh that sucks
21:22<kop>(Debian kernel's that is.)
21:22<Eva_>interbird: just wanted to know if there were differences in the way device drivers were designed and loaded from 2.4 to 2.6
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21:22<interbird>yes, there are differences
21:24<interbird>2.6 is not 2.4++
21:24<Eva_>interbird: but you confirm that they are part of the kernel in both versions
21:24<brigan>i think i just killed my debian removing files lol
21:24<ameyer>2.4 is freaking ancient
21:24<Eva_>thanks interbird
21:25<paveq>Eva_: maybe you should read some introduction to linux kernel...
21:25<interbird>Eva_: drivers being part of the kernel and integrated is the whle
21:25<interbird>Eva_: drivers being part of the kernel and integrated is the whole idea about the kernel...
21:25<Eva_>paveq: true
21:25<paveq>differences inside 2.6 are large too
21:25<paveq>as there is no longer kind of 2.8 coming, but smaller revisions constantly
21:26<Eva_>thanks people, thanks
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21:27<ameyer>I mean, I think Debian might have been the last distro to still ship 2.4
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21:27<ameyer>pretty much between Debian and Slackware there
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21:28<[Dark-Star]>is there away that i can see what app that debian offers in packages and download them or do i need to download all the iso's and install them that way
21:28<brigan>how do you soft link your divers ? any one
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21:28<brigan>i think xorg is looking in the wrong place for them
21:29<brigan>guess not
21:29<interbird>Potato is still downloadable and lenny is too; maybe debian just spans as much of time as it does in cpu-archtectures
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21:29<paveq>[Dark-Star]: read the documentation
21:29<paveq>well etch I think only supports 2.6
21:29<paveq>and sarge had option for 2.6
21:30<brigan>how do you soft link your divers ? any one
21:30<brigan>i think xorg is looking in the wrong place for them
21:30<paveq>ln -s
21:30<paveq>brigan: in that case you did something wrong anyways
21:30<brigan>haha proally so
21:31<paveq>brigan: you did use debian packages for nvidia drivers, did you?
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21:31<brigan>well i read a post that said the new etch looks in a diffrent place for the drivers
21:31<interbird>smells like old nvidia xorg prob
21:31<paveq>should work then nicely
21:31<brigan>from the nvidia website
21:31<paveq>brigan: erm no
21:31<paveq>brigan: they are all in apt
21:31<brigan>name of them ?
21:31<paveq>no need to go nvidia site, unless you just want the latest
21:32<paveq>and lot of pain :P
21:32<brigan>i do
21:32<paveq>brigan: aptitude search nvidia
21:32<brigan>how do you change the format of what it reports in console ?
21:33<brigan>how it looks
21:33<brigan>there is to much info
21:33<paveq>pipe to pager?
21:33<brigan>can you show mw
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21:34<brigan>or rather tell me
21:34<paveq>brigan: aptitude search nvidia | less
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21:34<paveq>anyways the package is called nvidia-glx
21:36<duekiller>stew:finally getting the correct java package. Again thank you
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21:38<brigan>ok once i install -glx i just change my xorg.conf and it should work right
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21:43<chealer>[Dark-Star]: the former
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21:48<_spOOn_>hey people, i have just downloaded a copy of debian-testing-i386-cd1.iso from
21:48<_spOOn_>has the installer changed recently?
21:49<_spOOn_>when i boot off the cd, i dont seem to get partitioning options, etc etc
21:49<_spOOn_>cant seem to install sys using this cd
21:49<chealer>_spOOn_: not later than yesterday
21:49<chealer>oh, the weekly
21:49<chealer>not later than 2 days ago anyway
21:50<duekiller>scan anyone send me the deb line for the main us non-free repository (apt)
21:50<duekiller>*scan = can
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21:50<chealer>duekiller: you don't put a line for each component, you add all components on the same line, e.g. "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free"
21:51<duekiller>chealer:non \n
21:51<_spOOn_>so, any ideas why i wouldnt get to setup partitions using cd1?
21:51<annaimkonki>anyone can help me on how to view system information...
21:51<_spOOn_>or install system?
21:51<duekiller>uname -r ?
21:51<chealer>_spOOn_: what do you get?
21:51<chealer>annaimkonki: which X session type do you use?
21:52<duekiller>also, is there a debian newsgroup to which I can subscribe.... so I can look stupid anonymously
21:52<lupine_85>duekiller: comp.os.linux ?
21:52<_spOOn_>only options i get is choose lang, select k/b, detect and mount cd, load installer components, detect network, config network, change debconf priority, check cd integrity, save debug logs, abort installation
21:53<_spOOn_>thats it....
21:53<kop>annaimkonki: What sort of system information?
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21:53<lupine_85>(do't know if there's a c.o.l.debian)
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21:53<brigan>ok drivers work but no 3d desktop
21:53<chealer>_spOOn_: you're doing an expert install?
21:53<duekiller>lupine_85: yes there is thanks
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21:54<brigan>can some one help me with beryl ?
21:54<annaimkonki>oh thanks i'm installing sysinfo...
21:54<_spOOn_>nup, just pushed enter like i usually do at prompt.... must admit, havent done a fresh install for about 9months now.... so i figured had just changed
21:54<chealer>brigan: did you check whether there's a #beryl ?
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21:55<annaimkonki>this is b/c my computer monitor is always turning off n on and someone told me the monitor might b hot....
21:55<brigan>nope there isnt lol
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21:56<chealer>brigan: there's kind of one (it redirects to #compiz-fusion)
21:56<duekiller>chealer:thanks for the tip about source.list it fixed my problem
21:56<kop>annaimkonki: Possibly. There's the lm-sensors package.
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21:56<_spOOn_>has anyone else tried a fresh install recently?
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21:57<kop>annaimkonki: If you're new to Linux you probably want to stick with installing the packages that come with debian. (I don't see sysinfo in the main etch repositories, although it may be in non-free or contrib.)
21:58<chealer>annaimkonki: heh. there are no monitor temperature sensors.
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21:58<annaimkonki>kop: whats the lm-sensors pkg??
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21:59<_spOOn_>anyone willing to test the cd1.iso from the testing branch for me?
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22:01<chealer>_spOOn_: at which point do you get the menu with options?
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22:01<_spOOn_>after saving debug logs
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22:02<annaimkonki>why would my monitor overheat??? does it have to do with resolution or refresh rate configs??
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22:03<chealer>_spOOn_: at that point, had you already answered "change debconf priority"?
22:03<duekiller>is there a list of repositories somewher on the web ?
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22:03<chealer>duekiller: what kind of repositories?
22:03<duekiller>chealer: I need the sun repository (for java)
22:04<chealer>duekiller: Sun doesn't have its own repository, at least not for Debian, AFAIK.
22:05<duekiller>chealer: so where are all the sun-* packages
22:05<chealer>duekiller: they're in non-free
22:05<chealer>_spOOn_: are you sure no error occurs before the prompt about debconf priority?
22:05<duekiller>chealer: "deb unstable main contrib non-free" ?
22:05<chealer>duekiller: that line should provide them
22:06<duekiller>chealer: hmmm....
22:06<chealer>assuming that's an official Debian mirror.
22:06<duekiller>chealer: let me run a quick apt update
22:06<paveq>duekiller: just be carefull not to upgrade the whole system to unstable
22:06<paveq>duekiller: better yet, just stick with stable java
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22:09<_spOOn_>only one you might consider an error is that it doesnt detect my ethernet card.... even tho old cd does! fyi nic is r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
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22:09<_spOOn_>only nic it will let me pick is 8390: National Semiconductor 8390 Ethernet
22:10<_spOOn_>when i tell it i have none of the above nics, it wont go any further
22:10<_spOOn_>when i pick 8390 it continues to tell me no nic was detected....
22:11<paveq>_spOOn_: why don't you use stable cd
22:11<paveq>using not-so-well tested stuff and trying to get help here might be bit pointless
22:11<_spOOn_>i am downloading it now.... but i just figured i should let someone know i think testing1.iso might be "broken"
22:12<paveq>well, things are sometimes broken with a reason
22:12<duekiller>paveq: thanks for the tip... will keep it in mind
22:12<duekiller>paveq: learn by breaking things and putting them back togeter... right.
22:12<_spOOn_>paveq, thats what im trying to find out.....
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22:13<_spOOn_>if there is a reason, just wondering what it might be :)
22:13<paveq>_spOOn_: I think that some devel-mailinglist where people make that cd would answer the question better ;)
22:14<paveq>or file bug report
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22:16<chealer>_spOOn_: did you check the logs?
22:16<_spOOn_>thats cool, was just wanting to know if anyone else had heard/experienced the same thing...
22:16<_spOOn_>yeah am looking now
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22:17<_spOOn_>according to the syslog, it seems to not be able to find libc6 or dhcp-client-udeb
22:18<_spOOn_>lol a whole stack of packages are missing :)
22:19<_spOOn_>like i said, i think cd1.iso might be "broken"
22:19<_spOOn_>will log a bug report
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22:19<_spOOn_>does debian-installer sound like a logical spot for this?
22:19<chealer>_spOOn_: hum. I suppose it's a bug, although providing the logs could help to say.
22:20<_spOOn_>yeah :) will do my best
22:20<chealer>_spOOn_: if you have no more precise idea, yes.
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22:26<AK>hello friends....i have a computer running on debian without a monitor......i want to login it to it using my laptop by connecting it wiht the ethernet it possible?
22:26<AK>its is not connected to the internet as internet needs to be configured and that cant be done if i cant login
22:27<chealer>AK: yes, as long as you can connect to it via SSH
22:27<AK> to SSH it....its not connected to the internet....will it have an IP when i connect it to my laptop ?
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22:28<chealer>AK: it depends on how its network is configured.
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22:29<AK>its network?....which one are you referring to?
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22:29<chealer>AK: I just meant it depends on its network configuration.
22:30<Villarroel>Are package download faster through http than through ftp ?
22:30<AK>chealer: is there a way for me to login into that system from windows using Putty if i connect both using a ethernet cable
22:31<chealer>AK: if you can connect to it via SSH, yes.
22:31<dondelelcaro>Villarroel: not really; the difference is that you don't have to login first
22:31<dondelelcaro>(and most mirrors nowadays are primarily http)
22:32<Villarroel>I respond to myself, the answer is yes, based on my experience.
22:32<AK>chealer: to find the IP address of that machine?
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22:33<Villarroel>What do you mean by primarily , is ftp "over" http?
22:34<lupine_85>ftp is never over http
22:34<Corey>good byee!!!
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22:34<lupine_85>but most web browsers can cope with ftp and make it look as though it is http
22:35<Corey>good byeee!!!!
22:35<Villarroel>Bye Corey
22:35<chealer>AK: sorry, I'm not familiar with that; try asking the channel.
22:35<AK>ok....thanks for ur time
22:35<Corey>hi villaroel i wait and bleed
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22:36<duekiller>stew: you there ?
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22:38<Villarroel>I get 136 kbps in http and only 50~60kbps on ftp using the same server , I got a disscusion with some friends who say ftp is faster than http, their reason is that ftp is a protocol exclusive for file transfers, and this makes perfect sense, but I don't understand why I still get faster rates through http ... I'm a bit confused here.
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22:41<dondelelcaro>Villarroel: uh... is a round robin, so it's quite likely that it's not the same server
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22:41<dondelelcaro>Villarroel: and in any event, trying to use a heavily trafficked mirror like that as a gauge of file transfer speeds is silly
22:42<duekiller>Where is a good place to put picture files ?
22:42<dondelelcaro>duekiller: like pasting them for debugging purposes?
22:42<duekiller>no just storage
22:42<duekiller>is there a "my documents" equivilant
22:42<Villarroel> duekiller
22:42<dondelelcaro>duekiller: no, but you can just mkidr ~/pictures
22:43<duekiller>cool thanks
22:43<brigan>all you can select from nvidias website is linux 32bit not debian package
22:43<dondelelcaro>duekiller: ~ is the "my crap" equivalent
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22:44<xxcorruptionxx>hey can anyone help me with getting permissions to go on as root so i can edit files in the root directory?
22:45<Villarroel>Last q. what protocol do you use and why?
22:45<xxcorruptionxx>Becuase I installed apache web server but i cannot edit any of the files in the var/www
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22:46<Villarroel>xxcorruptionxx: you need to add yourself to the groups wwwdata
22:46<xxcorruptionxx>and i have no idea what you mean by protocol
22:46<xxcorruptionxx>and how do i add myself to the wwwdata file?
22:47<paveq>that doesn't sound good
22:47<paveq>regular user is not supposed to have access there
22:47<Villarroel>open a terminal and type: sudo addgroup [your_username] wwwdata
22:47<paveq>just su to root
22:47<TimbrWolf>xxcorruptionxx: You need to log in as root to make changes
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22:48<xxcorruptionxx>How would i do that with the "you cannot login as administrator from this screen"
22:48<xxcorruptionxx>oh you mean sudo dont you
22:49<paveq>xxcorruptionxx: prob means that root login is allowed to real tty's only
22:49<Villarroel>xxcorruptionxx: you don't need to login as root for every janitoral ermm administrative task.
22:49<TimbrWolf>xxcorruptionxx : try pressing ctrl alt F1, this will put you at a terminal screen
22:50<paveq>hmm debian has gone down to ubuntu way of using sudo?
22:50<paveq>I haven't noticed that
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22:50<paveq>is that behaviour special to desktop installations only?
22:50<dondelelcaro>paveq: it's not the default in most cases, actually.
22:51<dondelelcaro>AFAIK nothing adds a user to /etc/sudoers by default; you can install sudo and do that if you wish, however.
22:51<xxcorruptionxx>sudo addgroup xxcorruptionxx wwwdata
22:51<xxcorruptionxx>addgroup: The group `wwwdata' does not exist.
22:52<Villarroel>xxcorruptionxx: sorry is www-data
22:52<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: it's www-data
22:52<xxcorruptionxx>that worked =]
22:52<Villarroel>Good luck.
22:52<xxcorruptionxx>thanks brb..
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22:55<xxcorruptionxx>It looks like I may have been in the wrong directory to start with in the system file folder can someone tell me the correct directory to the www? or is is actually /var/www/
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23:05<xxcorruptionxx>ok I think I know what I need to do now Can anyone tell me how to gain permissions to the var folder?
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23:07<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: by default only root has write permission there
23:07<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: either give your user write permission, or copy the files/directories in as root
23:07<dondelelcaro>(your choice0
23:07<xxcorruptionxx>I do not no how to do either of that
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23:08<dondelelcaro>well, both of those operations are fairly simple; the first involves chown'ing or chmod'ing the directory appropriately, the second involes su'ing or sudo'ing to root and cp'ing the files
23:09<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: if what I said didn't make any sense, then you probably want to invest in a introductory linux/unix book and spend a few hours going through the introductory chapter
23:09<dondelelcaro>(someone else may have a recomendation of an online introduction; it's been far too long since I've looked at such a thing, so I don't know what's good anymore)
23:10<xxcorruptionxx>I understand chmod I just have to find out how to do so (now looking on google)
23:11<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: man chmod; it's faster.
23:11<dondelelcaro>!file permissions
23:11<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
23:11<dondelelcaro>xxcorruptionxx: see above as well
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23:14<desperate>w00t wget is better than Firefox download manager???!!
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23:17<xxcorruptionxx>would something like this work? chmod 777 index.html?
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23:26<chealer>2.6.23 also has a new wifi driver, rtl8187. but FSF's website reads "But if you use the RTL8180 chipset, you'll need to compile a driver yourself from source, because the standard Linux driver relies on proprietary firmware and is not included in fully free distributions like gNewSense."
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23:26<chealer>does that talk about rtl8187 or what?
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23:39<darkstar>ok i think im on now
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23:40<NIC1138>hello there. Wha tis the best way to give users access to suspend the machine (uswsusp commands)?...
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23:42<darkstar>ok im tring to install a program call snakebite and it's in .deb but when i run the GDebi installer it fails.. 1 sec ill get the error
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23:43<darkstar>ne ideas
23:43<nwerneck_>sorry for the repost. What is the best way to give users permission to suspend the machine (run uswsusp commands)?... should I create a group and change the permissions of s2both s2disk and s2ram?
23:44<darkstar>the error is "error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python2.3
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