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02:00<[Dark-Star]>is there a way for me to see what hardware i have installed
02:01<Inty>[Dark-Star], lshw
02:01<gsimmons_>!tell [Dark-Star] -about what's my hardware
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02:14<[Dark-Star]>ok i just installed bitchx useing the synaptic but it showing its not there
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02:29<sep>how can i find packages that are not from debian proper on the system, eg backports or multimedia ?
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02:31<simonrvn>apt-cache policy foo
02:31<chealer>sep: there's no accurate way, but one possible way would be to disable the unofficial sources and look at the list of local/obsolete packages. that can contain some false positives.
02:31<simonrvn>backports now ids their packages with a bpo
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02:32<predder`>sep, I just browse the repository via HTTP personally
02:32<jm_>aptitude can also show packages with given origin
02:32<simonrvn>jm_: how do you do that?
02:33<simonrvn>aptitude keeps pulling these surprises on me :P
02:34<jm_>simonrvn: aptitude search '~Ofoo'
02:35<simonrvn>thanks... i hope you didn't go man that, and popped out of your head, i could've done that if so
02:36<jm_>I did, I always have to consult aptitude's reference manual, because I rarely use its search patterns and man page unfortunately doesn't mention them :)
02:36<jm_>I was also trying to figure out how to find out origin for given package, haven't managed that yet
02:36<simonrvn>if you did man that, many thanks, you took extra time to look it up. that's true, it doesn't.
02:37<simonrvn>hm, i'll go look if they have that in /usr/share/doc
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02:37<jm_>ahh it's in status file
02:37<Guest1387>konitiwa Japan
02:38<jm_>hmm it's not, I only have it in -old for 4 packages
02:38<Guest1387>no usa
02:39<simonrvn>it's in /usr/share/aptitude/README
02:39<jm_>yeah that's where patterns are listed, the same as in html help files, but easier to search in, need to remember it
02:40<yang>jm_: do you now why in the following example i can only ping local hosts and not the outside IP's
02:41<dli>yang, your gateway is .160 or .161?
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02:42<dli>yang, can you ping .161?
02:43<Guest1387>Please correct , me for the automatic translation that is a Japanese a little.
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02:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, jp is Japan
02:44<jm_>no channel for them?
02:44<dli>yang, the network should be .160 though
02:44<yang>dli: network is always -1 IP than gateway?
02:45<lupine_85>network address is the first address in the subnet
02:45<Guest1387>Rudeness, I cannot speak the English that is a Japanese high school student.
02:45<lupine_85>お早う Guest1387
02:46<lupine_85>hah, #debian-japanese is empty :/
02:46<yang>dli: it still doenst work
02:46<lupine_85>Guest1387: what do you need?
02:47<jm_>yang: sipcalc
02:47<lupine_85>the automatic translator is very bad, by the way :)
02:48<Guest1387>Are you a man? Is it a woman? I am a woman.
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02:48<jm_>yang: did you check with traceroute or tcptraceroute?
02:48<sep>dpkg --get-selections | grep hold shoud show me packages set to hold right ?
02:48<dli>yang, "route -n"
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02:49<lupine_85>Guest1387: I am a man :)
02:49<sep>since i get this message, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages but cant find any held packages
02:50<Guest1387>An answer, thank you.
02:50<jm_>sep: /msg dpkg held back
02:50<jm_>sep: it's possible they were not put on hold manually
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02:51<sep>yes but what packages is hold or kept back
02:51<sep>i imagined dpkg --get-selections | grep hold would tell me
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02:54<Guest1387>There is Kinkakuji Temple in Kyoto.
02:54<jm_>apt-get/aptitude show mention them when using upgrade
02:55<Guest1387>If spelling is wrong, I revise it, and read.
02:56<lupine_85>Guest1387: spelling is fine, grammar is awful :). What do you want?
02:56[~]gcosmin morning
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02:58<Guest1387>Japan is the evening.¡Ê¡¦¢Ï¡¦¡Ë
02:59<jm_>no no it's the land of the rising sun :)
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02:59<Guest1387>PM 5;00
02:59<lupine_85>and it's 9am here
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03:00<lupine_85>but.... this is #debian, and social chat is off-topic :(
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03:06<Guest1387>Good-bye;-)¤µ¤è¤¦¤Ê¤é ½©ÍÕ¸¶
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03:09<[Dark-Star]-AFK>i have 2 problems,, the first is kinda make me a dumbass but i cant move files or save them cause i dont have primission,, i dont know how or where to set this so it will leave me alone... the 2nd is that i installed bitchx irc client with the synaptic package manager and it not showing up newhere i have search for bitchx but nothing could be found
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03:11<jm_>bitchx is a tty app, start it in a terminal
03:11<lupine_85>irssi > bitchx
03:11<[Dark-Star]-AFK>well is bitchx better then xchat
03:12<lupine_85>Oh, I dunno
03:12<dpkg>methinks bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BX QUITS"
03:12<[Dark-Star]-AFK>ill stick with xchat then :(
03:12<lupine_85>still, it compiled on sunos5.10, whereas irssi didn't
03:13<lupine_85>[Dark-Star]-AFK: give irssi a whirl
03:13<lupine_85>that is definitely better than xcha
03:13<[Dark-Star]-AFK>i will thx,, i think xchat sucks
03:15<[Dark-Star]-AFK>ok when i try moving files ive download from the download folder on the desktop to like /root/debs it says i dont have primisson
03:16<[Dark-Star]-AFK>but this is the only acc and it doesnt ask for admin password
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03:19<[Dark-Star]-AFK>even if i try editing the source.list i cant save,, or do i need to edit it in console
03:20<seanius>[Dark-Star]-AFK: um, probably because you're not root?
03:22<[Dark-Star]-AFK>i am on the root i just installed the o/s like 15min ago
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03:36<daos>does anyone know how to fix this Samba error running on Debian Lenny (testing): string_to_sid: Sid S-0-0 is not in a valid format
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03:37<interbird>daos: what does net getlocalsid say ?
03:38<daos>interbird: is that a command?
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03:38<interbird>yes, it shows the machine SID
03:39<daos>interbird: SID for domain ZEUS is: S-1-5-21-573211202-1758756030-3297640635
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03:40<interbird>daos: hmm, that's ok. have you tried to raise the log-level in smb.conf and look at /var/log/samba/* ?
03:41<daos>yeah, raised it to 10 and it gave me too much info, unless I can paste it somewhere?
03:41<daos>I just dropped it back to log level 5
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03:41<interbird>are you using ldap ?
03:42<daos>nothing specified in samba for it, do I need to?
03:42<daos>its strange cause I can use all the wbinfo commands
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03:42<interbird>nope. when does this error occure
03:42<daos>when I try and access a share
03:43<interbird>how is the share mounted ?
03:43<daos>ahhh, its using the --bind option from mount
03:43<daos>but I have another share with the same issue
03:44<daos>so tis like mount --bind /blah/blah /blah
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03:45<interbird>what is the result of this
03:45<interbird>what is the result of this? mount -t cifs -o username //server/share /dir ?
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03:49<daos>interbird: mount error 13 = Permission denied
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03:53<daos>interbird: actually no it worked with: mount -t cifs -o user=username //computer.domain.local/foo /mnt
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03:53<daos>that makes even less sense
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04:06<interbird>hmm, maybe you should check smb***.log
04:06<interbird>it's actually: mount -t cifs -o username=sambauser //server/share /foo
04:07<interbird>it's actually: mount -t smbfs -o username=sambauser //server/share /foo
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04:08<daos>shouldn't it be: mount -t smbfs -o username=windowsuser //server/share /foo
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04:09<daos>its just back the other way that dosen't work, windowsXP accessing the Samba share
04:10<interbird>yes, but username= and not user=
04:10<daos>oh :)
04:11<daos>yeah, it worked anyway
04:12<interbird>maybe as a guest and not as the user specified in user= man smbmount
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04:13<daos>nah I got full access to the mounted share
04:14<interbird>that also depends on your settings of the share in smb.conf
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04:15<daos>no I mean when I issues the command mount -t cifs -o user=username //computer.domain.local/foo /mnt I have full access to the windows share as a windows admin user
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04:15<daos>so I don't get why it can't auth back the other way
04:15<interbird>user=username is still the wrong syntax, see man smbmount
04:16<daos>ok but it still works.............I am just annoyed I can't access samba from the windows boxes
04:17<interbird>what windows are you using?
04:18<daos>and samba 3.026
04:18<interbird>and samba and the winbox have the same domain/workgroup name? ZEUS ?
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04:19<daos>ZEUS is the debian hots name
04:19<interbird>and samba is not configured to be a pdc? you can only have one pdc and i assume the 2k3 box is the pdc
04:20<daos>the domain name is different, but they are set the same
04:20<interbird>different but the same ?
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04:21<interbird>ahh, ok, zeus is the machine name
04:21<daos>sorry, I stuffed up
04:21<interbird>on windows, open a command prompt...
04:21<daos>the domain name is set to something other than ZEUS but both boxes are set to the same domain/workgroup
04:21<interbird>net use x: \\ipaddress-of-samba-box\share
04:22<interbird>does that work ?
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04:23<daos>nope, get The network name cannot be found.
04:23<daos>but I can see the shares via explorer
04:24<interbird>on the samba box: ps -ef|grep nmbd
04:24<daos>if I do a \\unc
04:24<interbird>on the samba box: ps -ef|grep smbd
04:24<interbird>do both smbd and smbd run on the sambabox ?
04:24<daos>yep and they are all running
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04:26<interbird>net use x: \\zeus\share on the winbox ?
04:28<daos>Configuration information could not be read from the domain controller, either because the machine is unavailable, or access has been denied
04:28<daos>thats the error
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04:29<interbird>on the winbox, what does mycomputer say about the computername and workgroup/domain?
04:30<daos>its joined to the windows domain
04:30<daos>domain name and computername
04:30<interbird>and what is workgroup = in smb.conf ?
04:31<daos>same, HACKERIT
04:31<daos>would CAPS make a difference?
04:31<daos>I assumed not
04:32<interbird>but it should be HackerIT.local ?
04:32<daos>realm in smb.conf is HACKERIT.LOCAL
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04:32<daos>nah the realm should be as far as doco told me
04:32<interbird>realm is for kerberos
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04:32<defiant>I'm having trouble with crontab in debian - where are logs stored for this?
04:32<daos>i'll change it and see what happens
04:32<jm_>depends on how you configure it in syslog.conf
04:33<interbird>maybe you should read-up on samba ads-support
04:33<defiant>jm_: ahh the cron line has been commented out - is that by design?
04:34<jm_>defiant: you mean by default? *.* should catch it in that case
04:35<defiant>jm_: i thought maybe it was commented out because cron logs would be very noisy or something. I think i get it know -> the *.* means it will go into syslog
04:36<daos>interbird: it is all set correctly
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04:36<defiant>ok so i got logging, how come my crontab wont work? i have put a testing line in like so, but it has no effect: * 1 * * * root /usr/bin/touch /tmp/foo
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04:37<daos>realm is a valid option in smb.conf and it should be set to domainname.local or whatever it is
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04:37<daos>but I understand you need both workgroup=domainname and realm=domainname.local or .com if it's not separated
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04:38<[Dark-Star]>has ne try to conple the madwifi drivers for debian yet
04:38<dpkg>well, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
04:40<interbird>try to set workgroup= also to domainname.local and then /etc/init.d/samba restart
04:40<[Dark-Star]>ok i c what i should do but could you explaine a little better im realy a freaken noob @ linux
04:41<daos>interbird: just did that and no good :((
04:41<daos>going to take a break, check back in a bit later
04:42<daos>interbird: thanks for your responses, really appriciate it as your the only person so far who has had any ideas
04:42[~]interbird is scratching head :-)
04:43<stew>[Dark-Star]: do you have a specific question?
04:43<[Dark-Star]>im tring to install the madwifi drivers
04:43<[Dark-Star]>but i dont know how
04:43<stew>[Dark-Star]: /msg dpkg madwifi-install
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04:44<stew>[Dark-Star]: or read the last thing "dpkg" said in this channel
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04:44<defiant>does it matter if my crontab has SHELL:/bin/sh but the command i wish to run is a perl script with suffix .pl ??
04:46<stew>defiant: doesn't matter. the SHELL is used to interpret the command in the case where you do something like "command 2>&1 | some other command..." or something similar, but if you are just calling some other script it doesn't matter its going to use the shebang at the top of the script
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04:47<defiant>stew: thankyou!
04:49<defiant>how do I stop the "...ORPHAN (no passwd entry)..." error message generated by cron?
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04:52<defiant>oh my lordy - i found some rouge cron's in /var/spool/cron/crontabs - these have been running every hour since february last year!
04:53<defiant>seems like these were causing my orphan errors
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05:04<Vom>Hello, could someone help me how to write a DVD ISO without X / in command line
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05:05<jm_>Vom: no doubt
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05:06<Vom>jm_ hmm?
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05:07<Vom>You mean "no idea" ? :b
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05:08<jm_>no, I mean "no doubt someone can tell you", i.e. learn to ask smart questions
05:08<jm_>man growisofs
05:09<Vom>i've tried "growisofs" like, 20 times already.
05:09<Vom>thats why I need help, you familiar with growisofs?
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05:10<Vom>Hmm, i've been using it like this: "growisofs -Z /path/to/iso", i guess that aint right?
05:11<gsimmons_>Vom: Look at the man page again. The last example shows how to write a pre-mastered ISO.
05:11<[Dark-Star]>i've tried to install it from root terminal and from single-user cmd line and it says "Insyallation of the madwifi-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib an non-free archives.
05:11<Vom>gsimmons_: okai
05:11<Vom>ah, think i got it.
05:12<[Dark-Star]>ne ideas besides me being a windows user
05:12<Vom>well, here goes, see you in a while if it doesnt work :b
05:13<stew>[Dark-Star]: /msg dpkg non-free
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05:16<jm_>vortex: nope
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05:16<jm_>vortex: sorry, wrong nick
05:16<vom>Heh, now I ran into this little problem, can I somehow get my USB harddrive work in commandline?
05:16<vom>or, hmm, nothing - im just gonna go write that dvd on my common-law wife's comp.
05:16<jm_>USB storage devices are managed by the kernel
05:17<jm_>command line is only used to mount it for example
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05:26<vom>hehe, everythings going so well, now that I got the burner software open I cant find a empty DVD
05:26<blueacid>ah that's just unlucky!
05:26<vom>Im sure I had an RW disc
05:27<blueacid>heh, first install ever underway at the very moment
05:27<blueacid>...fingers crossed!
05:29<blueacid>guh, shouldn't have downloaded the business card CD! Even on a 100mbit connection, it's taking a fair old while to get the data downloaded
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05:31<jm_>netinst is much better option
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05:31<themill>It doesn't really make that much difference... it's all got to be downloaded at some stage.
05:32[~]themill always uses netinst anyway... just out of habit
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05:33<petemc>not exactly..
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05:34<blueacid>well, it's a slow(er) system heh
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05:34<blueacid>700Mhz P3
05:35<blueacid>and it's got a fun old role to play; it'll be running as a logging server for a student radio station!
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05:45<vom>yey, done.
05:45<vom>fedora time :) cya peeps
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06:09<bird>hi, I'm using a pppoe connection in Debian etch, when the connection is active the network manager applet (in the bottom right corner of the taskbar) thinks that no network connection is available.
06:09<bird>why ?
06:11<stew>bird: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
06:11<seanius>bird: my guess is that n-m isn't smart enough to know about the connection, or is ignoring it
06:11<seanius>yeah, what stew said
06:11<themill>bird: or you are not in the netdev group
06:12<stew>(at least i think it would be covered. a good idea in any case)
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06:12<themill>stew: you're right, that's quite a comprehensive document.
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06:15<padski>I have a xen guest shutting down that seems to be stuck at "Turning off quotas...". it is already past the point at which I can ssh in. any thoughts ?
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06:17<petemc>xm destroy
06:18<padski>petemc: sure, but why is it stuck ?
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06:20<petemc>bad electrons?
06:21<seanius>padski: custom kernel or?
06:22<padski>petemc: the evit bit has flipped! bwahahaha!
06:23<padski>seanius: stock
06:23<seanius>any nfs mounts?
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06:23<padski>seanius: hard to say now :-)
06:23<duekiller>morning everyone
06:24<padski>it already said "Stopping NFS kernel daemon: mountd nfsdnfsd: last server has exited\nnfsd: unexporting all filesystems\nUnexporting directories for NFS kernel daemon.
06:24<seanius>padski: yes, but are you doing anything with nfs, particularly via gnome vfs
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06:25<seanius>or have any other not-in-fstab entries
06:25<padski>seanius: yes, looking back I had been messing about with NFSv4 on there ...
06:25<seanius>s/entries/directories mounted'
06:25<padski>seanius: thanks
06:25<seanius>padski: take a look at
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06:26<padski>"Don't fix it! Sell tickets you will be rich!"
06:26<seanius>yeah, the initial commentary is really helpful
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06:48<Villarroel>The "Starting MTA" takes ages on my laptop is there an alternative mail-transfer-agent who is useful and lightweight or can I disable this without losing important notifications from my system... or functionality. Thanks.
06:49<padski>this would be Exim4
06:49<Villarroel>:) it is what is installed now, but takes ages to start.
06:50<sheldonh>Villarroel: sounds like your /etc/hosts entry for doesn't agree with your hostname
06:51<padski>I have a very hazy recollection that there is something you can do about that in the configuration, but I don't do much with exim. there are quite a few such packages in debian
06:51<sheldonh>Villarroel: specifically, with the hostname you set when you did dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
06:51<padski>sheldonh: ??
06:51<sheldonh>padski: don't look at me, that's what the installer does
06:52<padski>sheldonh: looking at the one exim box I have handy, I see that you are right.
06:52<sheldonh>padski: look at a non-exim box too :)
06:53<sheldonh>Villarroel: compare the output of "exim -bP primary_hostname" with the output of "hostname --fqdn" and "grep /etc/hosts"
06:53<padski>sheldonh: I have a variety of results. from plain " localhost" through to mysql-flavoured brain-damage
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06:54<sheldonh>padski: packages really shouldn't be messing with /etc/hosts :(
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06:55<Villarroel>Ok, let me see.
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06:58<Villarroel>the are all the same, in the form hostname.domain , in /ets/hosts the third column says only hostname (the second column is hostname.domain)
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06:59<stew>Villarroel: does "getent hosts hostname.domain" return quickly?
06:59<Villarroel>real 0m0.212s
06:59<Villarroel>user 0m0.000s
06:59<Villarroel>sys 0m0.000s
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07:00<padski>sheldonh: isn't it technically a bug ?
07:00<Villarroel>wait I executed with, "hostname.domain" :p
07:00<sheldonh>padski: *shrug* dunno
07:01<stew>Villarroel: getent hosts $(exim -bP primary_hostname)
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07:01<Villarroel>it also returns quick.
07:01<stew>Villarroel: did you do something to bring networking up since the machine started?
07:03<Villarroel>I configure the address statically in my home, and dhcp outside.
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07:04<stew>Villarroel: when exim4 takes a long time to start. is networking being automatically configured successfully? or are you having to do something to bring it up?
07:04<padski>I like "It enhances the complexity of your configuration"
07:05<Villarroel>... well, if I let the ethernet cable connected a lot of NETDEV errors bring up. NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
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07:07<Villarroel>Only if it is connected during boot.
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07:08<petemc>that will happen when exim thinks it has a working internet connection but it actually doesnt
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07:08<petemc>ifplugd or some other app that intelligently controls interfaces makes that problem go away
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07:09<petemc>or you could remove exim from the startup scripts, and use cron to run an exim queue runner every so often
07:10[~]seanius wonders if it's possible to get the queue runner to use inotify
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07:11<Villarroel>It's funny that the netdev error only came out, when the cable is connected!
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07:13<duekiller>is there a gui ssh client ?
07:13<duekiller>file upload/download
07:13<stew>duekiller: putty
07:14<duekiller>stew:need to upload some files to a server and was wondering if there is a gui for such tasks
07:14<Villarroel>duekiller: I like krusader
07:14<stew>duekiller: there are many, putty is just for login, not tranferring files though
07:15<duekiller>stew: I know :(.... I hate having to compile code on a remote machine
07:15<stew>if you are an emacs user, there is, of course, tramp
07:15<duekiller>I will give krusader a try
07:15<yang>duekiller: you need the putty scp program to transfer the files
07:16<stew>yang: there is a putty graphical scp program?
07:16<yang>duekiller: i think you can get it from their website
07:16<stew>yang: why would he get it from the website and not apt?
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07:16<yang>If he needs it for windows
07:16<stew>i didn't think we were talking about windows
07:17<petemc>konqueror supports sftp://user@host
07:17<petemc>as does nautilus, i guess
07:17<seanius>similarly gnome has a vgs layer
07:17<duekiller>gonna give krusader a try
07:17<seanius>s/$/\// damnit
07:17<yang>maybe putty-tools in debian, you might try this
07:18<stew>there is filezilla too
07:18<Villarroel>stew: you can also use md midnight commander , of kde kio support the protocol fish wich is file shell or something, from any kde programm.
07:19<Villarroel>fish://user@host too.
07:19<stew>"aptitude search '~dsftp~Ginterface::x11'" unfortunately misses some possibilities
07:21<duekiller>Villarroel: krusader works great thanks.... got it up and running
07:21<Villarroel>Welcome. It's just one of the many options.
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07:44<Villarroel>To solve the exim boot up slowdown, I started it from cron, so it goes background, and renamed the S20exim4 in /etc/rc*.d to prevent starting by init.
07:44<jm_>you could have it started from inetd, like I did (for some reason that's unsupported configuration in Debian)
07:45<Villarroel>I will consider it, now I have to go. Thanks for the tip.
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08:18<oigres>I've installed debian on a MAC G4. Problem is that it goes to sleep on very short intervals of inactive time (about 2minutes) and screen blacks out in about 15 seconds of inactivity. How do I change this behaviours
08:19<jm_>xset / X config file for screen
08:20<themill>!screen blanking
08:20<dpkg>i guess screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls.
08:20<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
08:20<dpkg>no, stupid themill
08:21<stew>!blanking is <reply>see screen blanking
08:21<dpkg>okay, stew
08:21<stew>smarter bot
08:23<oigres>Any idea on the sleeping process now?
08:23<padski>oigres: there are powerpc and powermac related packages. pbuttons ???
08:23<padski>oigres: is it a desktop or a laptop ?
08:24<oigres>Its a laptop
08:24<padski>oigres: and are you using a graphical desktop enviroment such as kde or gnome ?
08:24<oigres>I'm using gnome
08:24<oigres>pbuttons, powermac and powerpc are not installed
08:25<padski>oigres: on kde there is a power management section in the control panel, I expect there is something similar in gnome.
08:25<oigres>However I've got powermgmt-base and gnome-power-manager
08:25<oigres>Yes, there is. But it doesn't seem to work
08:25<padski>oigres: sorry, I don't recall the exact package names ...
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08:26<padski>Is there a good way to search for "All the packages only available on a list of arches (ppc, ppc64 to be exact)"
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08:27<themill>stew: thanks ;) I decided coffee would help make a smarter themill and decided to try that first.
08:27<stew>i'm doing the same here
08:28<stew>and then it is off to a full day of meetings!
08:28<padski>oigres: there is a #debianppc
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08:28<oigres>padski, Will try that. TX for everything.
08:28<themill>stew: oh dear.... that will probably be even less fun than it sounds :(
08:29<stew>it will be fine, these are actually very productive
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08:29<padski>oigres: yw, sorry I couldn't be more help
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08:30<themill>stew: half your luck... mine rarely are. It so often hinges on who is running the meeting and whether they know what they are doing.
08:30<padski>oigres: the package I was thinking of is pbbuttons (two b). but that doesn't look power related. there are others ...
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08:31<stew>themill: this will be less of "meetings" than it will be "pair programming with the product manager"
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08:33<themill>stew: ahh... I've never done that sort of work, always programmed solo. But I've heard a lot of people say similar things to you -- productive, interesting etc. I should try it some day when the time and project allows.
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08:34<padski>oigres: and see links from
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08:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:37<Henk2>hi guys I have a small problem... I bought a brandnew pc but I forgot to specify the ethernet card; now I have a quite new card without the driver module (attansic L2: module atl2); my wireless usb-stick is not supported either (also too new); how can I get around this?
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08:41<blarson>Henk2: Throw in a supported pci ethernet card
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08:42<seanius>Henk2: alternatively, you could try the testing/lenny installer
08:42<themill>!install lenny
08:43<themill>!installing lenny
08:43<dpkg>To install testing, see
08:43<themill>my bot-fu is right out the window today....
08:43<Henk2>how can i find out if this particular module is included?
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08:43<seanius>Henk2: alternatively you could download the entire first cd and get your base system installed, and shuttle over the drivers on a usb stick later
08:43<themill>Henk2: do you have a PCI ID for it? say from a live CD?
08:44<seanius>Henk2: the current lenny d-i has 2.6.22 iirc, is that new enough?
08:44<Henk2>damm I knew that one... the pci id...
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08:44<themill>!driver locator
08:44<dpkg>[driver locator] will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI
08:44<themill>Henk2: ^^
08:44<seanius>actually if it works in 2.6.22 you could also use a backport too.
08:44<Henk2>2.6.22 was new enough for the asus laptop
08:45<Henk2>there was a attansic ethernet card in it too (the l1 not the l2)
08:45<seanius>but i find on desktops/laptops i usually end up moving to at least testing pretty quickly
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08:47<Henk2>lspci tells me: uknown device 1969:2048
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08:49<themill>Henk2: can you give the full line for lspci -n . It's just easier ;)
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08:50<themill>ahh actually, the hcl might work without it. Is it a Attansic Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter?
08:50<Henk2>lspci tells me: Ethernet controller Unknown device 1969:2048 (rev a0)
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08:50<themill>Henk2: note that -n ;)
08:50<Henk2>yes Attansic L2
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08:51<themill>ok... that doesn't match anything in the 2.6.22 kernel either.
08:51<Henk2>sorry I thought you asked for "lspci -n"...
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08:51<Guest1398>kann you spicking german
08:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:52<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:53<Henk2>bittorrent is running...
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08:54<Henk2>will take a while... to fetch the testing-cd1
08:54<themill>yay: deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder
08:55<themill>yay: please do not message people; please keep it in the channel.
08:55<yay>themill wer bist du
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08:57<themill>Henk2: where were we before it all went weird...
08:57<Henk2>downloading the testing cd1...
08:57<themill>Henk2: ahh..... 2.6.22 appears to not support that card either. Not a good start. I don't know how 2.6.23 will go :)
08:58<Henk2>it's enough for me to have a atl2.ko module either for 2.6.18 or 2.6.22
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09:00<Henk2>(btw is my first time ever using debian; always, ok since 1996, used suse...
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09:03<Henk2>I found a driver by attansic: L2-linux-driver_new.rar; but it requires the kernel sources, gcc etc to be installed; on which cd are they?
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09:06<themill>Henk2: ugh... you'd have to look at the cd contents lists
09:06<themill>!cd contents
09:06<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD:, or
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09:09<smhar>hello all
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09:11<smhar>regarding my ati problem, I took the easy route and booting in 686 kernel instead of the amd64 one, and the one-liner installtion completed without error. thank you all
09:12<Henk2>well download jigdo is not an option... the only debian machine cannot talk to the outside world.
09:12<smhar>now the /etc/X11/xorg.conf says I have fglrx driver, how to confirm that in X, specially that glxgears is very slow
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09:16<themill>Henk2: you can download the jigdo template on any machine you like -- that then lets you work out what CD things are on.
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09:18<Henk2>on the debian website is also a search possible in the jigdo files...
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09:20<themill>yes, that's what dpkg said :)
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09:20<Henk2>o sorry misunderstood that
09:21<themill>hmmm it does need editing... I might go and do that.
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09:25<sjordal>hey i'm trying to make a customised install cd set. i'd like it to prompt for a second cd with extra packages
09:25<sjordal>how do i configure this? in the preseed file?
09:26<Henk2>(very useful!)
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09:29<sjordal>gsimmons_, thanks
09:29<sjordal>looking through that
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09:30<Henk2>well I have to go; thanks for now! bye
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09:53<xpot>hello all
09:54<xpot>I am having an issue with apt-file, it requests the net inst CD... is this normal?
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09:55<qbit>sure is, check /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:13<eurisko>hi everyone, i know this isn't the right place to ask, but does anyone know a a page that explains how to crimp a SMA connector into a RG174 cable?
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10:25<munga>I've a general question: I'd like to bus hw from the US but I live in france. how much taxes I'm going to pay if I order stuff over the internet ?
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10:32<ConanDoel>hola gente
10:32<ConanDoel>necisito ayuda
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10:32<donfede>ConanDoel: buenas. que cuentas?
10:32<ConanDoel>aca ando
10:32<ConanDoel>tengo problemas con mi debian etch amd64
10:33<donfede>ConanDoel: yo se poco de amd64 , pero cuenta
10:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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10:47<Depressure>now I've gotten myself into some realy deep cold water with thick ice abowe =( I was splitting a file (1 GB) into 100MB chunks with HOZ and now my home folder wont open... what to do??
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10:48<donfede>Depressure: won't open? from konquerer or from bash / cd ?
10:48<donfede>Depressure: what's "df -h" return?
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10:50<Depressure>using gnome (cant remember the filebrowser name) looks/sounds like the disk is listing up the files.. but this is taking to long... what line do you want form df -h
10:51<Depressure>/dev/sda6 146G 70G 69G 51% /home
10:51<pmitros>Howdy. I'm trying to clean up my system. Is there a way to search for all installed packages that no other packages depend on? Or even just all installed packages? --installed to apt-cache does not appear to affect "search", but just depend/rdepends.
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10:53<blarson>pmitros: dpkg --get-selections
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10:53<gsimmons_>!tell pmitros -about deborphan
10:53<pmitros>Oh. nice. Thanks.
10:54<Depressure>donfede: i finaly got to list my home dir... 99999 files...
10:54<Depressure>time to delete
10:55<OZ>Greetings all, I've got Debian successfully working on my server, and am able to SSH in whenever it's fully up. However, when I restart it remotely, and it doesn't have a keyboard, it seems to encounter an endless loop just after Lilo, where it says "Loading Linux" and there's a bunch of dots. after a little over one row's worth of dots, it pauses. If I happen to have a keyboard connected, I can press enter and it will boot fine. I have no idea why t
10:55<Depressure>does "wildcards" as * and ? work in bash?
10:56<themill>Depressure: yes, but there are limits to the length of your command line.
10:57<alaya>Depressure: also du -ak /home |sort -rn might be useful for trying to figure out what's taking up space
10:57<Depressure>themill: okay cus "rm tst.tar.?????" gives "bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long" as output
10:58<themill>Depressure: yep. that's the problem. You can either use xargs or find with -exec for this.
10:58<Depressure>themill: sorry you lost me there. are these applications?
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10:59<donfede>Depressure: "find /home/foouser -iname '*tst.tar*' | wc -l" ... then " | less" to review ... and finallly " find /home/foouser -iname '*tst.tar*' -exec rm {} \;"
10:59<themill>Depressure: yes, find and xargs are. If you can guarantee that there are no spaces in the filenames then it's very easy
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11:00<themill>Depressure: with no spaces, this will also work : echo tst.tar* | xargs rm
11:00<Depressure>what if I use "rm tst.tar.*" would that kill to much or just the files that start with tst.tar?
11:00<themill>Depressure: that won't do anythings as the command line is too long
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11:02<jthomas>how can i add an entry so that /etc/resolv.conf has a (local) searchable domain added to it? currently my dhcp rewrites it at each boot, making me loose the 'shortcut' of typing 'ssh foo' (when i want to append .bar, to really get ssh '')
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11:03<alaya>jthomas: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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11:04<alaya>jthomas: with the appropriate prepend line
11:04<jthomas>alaya: in the prepend line?
11:04<themill>jthomas: if it's for ssh, then use ~/.ssh/config
11:04<Depressure>looks like that one went fine!
11:04<Depressure>themill: you hawe done todays greatest deed! thank you so much!
11:05<jthomas>it would be for many uses, not just ssh
11:05<themill>jthomas: you can also put entries into /etc/hosts
11:05<jthomas>so change '#prepend domain-name-servers;' to 'prepend .bar;
11:06<alaya>jthomas: actually i think you'd want prepend search <your local domain>
11:06<jthomas>ah ok, thanks
11:06<Depressure>themill: but i used "echo tst.tar* | xargs r" and that removed my files (looks like it)
11:06<alaya>jthomas: if you've got a local nameserver, then you'd prepend that
11:07<themill>Depressure: that will only remove files that start with tst.tar
11:07<jthomas>it won't let me write the file, as root...
11:07<jthomas>oh i wasn't root
11:08<themill>Depressure: unless you put a space between tar and *.... :)
11:08<Depressure>themill: yes it sure did, and that solved the problem!
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11:08<themill>Depressure: ahh ok.... I thought you were worried that it had removed too many ;)
11:09<jthomas>"/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf line 18: no option named search"
11:09<Depressure>themill: no not at all, it was just a test you see =) a test using tar and HOZ
11:09<jthomas>"prepend search bar"
11:09<Depressure>themill: Since i never found out how to merge "split" files
11:10<Depressure>themill: you might wanna tell me if you know
11:10<themill>Depressure: working in a temp directory so you can just rm -rf the entire directory is often a good call when you're doing things that make lots of files... $HOME is hardly a temp directory in that sense ;)
11:10<alaya>jthomas: you are familair with resolv.conf syntax and the search line?
11:10<Depressure>themill: sure =) learned the hard way!
11:11<jthomas>alaya: sort of but with DHCP it gets rewritten
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11:11<themill>jthomas: perhaps you should pastebin your dhclient.conf
11:11<alaya>jthomas: are you running a dns server on
11:12<jthomas>it is standard from Lenny, i just uncommented the one line and added my local 'bar'
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11:12<jthomas>alaya: no i am not running DNS
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11:12<sortadi>which method is the most recommendable for debmirroring: http, ftp or rsync?
11:12<themill>jthomas: unless you have pdnsd installed or dnsmasq or similar
11:12<alaya>jthomas: then you probably want to add host entries for local boxes
11:13<kurumin>Fala aew, sou novato em Linux galera
11:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:13<jthomas>why cannot i use the DNS which comes from my DHCP serer, but just add a search for 'bar' before the DNS?
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11:13<alaya>jthomas: man 5 hosts
11:14<jthomas>i don't want to change the hosts file, i want a search for bar domains..
11:14<themill>jthomas: so you have a nameserver elsewhere that handles .bar for you.
11:14<alaya>jthomas: and what dns server is handling those domains?
11:15<jthomas>yes, when i type 'ssh' i can get there, but on my local box i only want to type 'ssh foo'
11:15<jthomas>alaya: our company's dns servers
11:15<alaya>jthomas: then prepend them, and prepend search for your domain
11:15<dpkg>ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver\nnameserver" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf
11:16<jthomas>can you give me an example, alaya?
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11:16<jthomas>'pprepend search bar;" doesn't function
11:16<alaya>jthomas: prepend search; prepend nameserver <company nameserver ip>
11:16<jthomas>(even with the proper spelling)
11:17<jthomas>"/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf line 18: no option named search"
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11:17<themill>jthomas: can you pastebin that for us
11:17<jthomas>sure one moment
11:18<themill>sortadi: rsync, I believe.
11:18<themill>sortadi: the docs should say
11:18<sortadi>themill, man doesn't tell me anything about it
11:19<themill>sortadi: /usr/share/doc/debmirror/README* ?
11:19<sortadi>themill, ok, I'll try rsync
11:19<sortadi>themill, wait, let me check
11:19<themill>dpkg: fixresolvconf =~ s'dhclient'dhcp3/dhclient'
11:20<fxiny>hahahh will solve resolv.conf permanently yeahhhh
11:20<fxiny>damn dpkg !
11:20<alaya>jthomas: looks like the syntax for prepend search... is wrong. i'm not sure what it is, but that is what you need to add somehow
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11:21<jthomas>themill and alaya - The conf file is first, then my dhclient output is below it.
11:22<alaya>jthomas: see
11:22<themill>fxiny: ?
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11:24<fxiny>themill: according to whois is a korean ip :))
11:24<fxiny>no idea if whois is f* up
11:24<OZ>Okay guys, guess what. I found out what the problem was, and boy do I feel silly.
11:25<jthomas>alaya and themill - "supersede domain-name "lan.invalid";" is what I needed, thanks peops
11:25<OZ>For future reference, if someone else comes in asking why their loading up is waiting for keyboard input, and adding timeout/delay to /etc/lilo.conf does nothing, then be sure to ask them whether they remembered to run the command "lilo" after editing the file :-/
11:25<jthomas>(replace lan.invalid with the real bar)
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11:26<themill>fxiny: yeah, it's probably not a great choice. But one would hope that people would substitute their real dns servers for those anyway....
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11:27<alaya>jthomas: not the most apparent syntax :-\
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11:29<jthomas>true but its going now
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11:29<alaya>jthomas: look at your resolv.conf and see the syntax of the result
11:30<jthomas>yep i did, the 'search bar' line is there, first
11:30<fxiny>themill: good intentions and the devil are a lovely mix : time to add it to my cidr-blacklist :)
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11:30<alaya>someone should file a bug report against the man page for that
11:31<simber>hi there every1
11:32<simber>is there any possibility that my mplayer in Debian is compiled without MEncoder?
11:32<themill>fxiny: yeah.... Maybe I'll remove them both from that list and tell people to look up their dns servers and put them in. What do you think?
11:32<themill>simber: mencoder is on dmm /msg dpkg dmm
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11:33<simber>thx, i hope i can get it to work
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11:36<themill>simber: it's easy enough... /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch
11:36<fxiny>themill: i took it like a dpkg joke but you are right : noobs can get it wrong
11:37<simber>themill: yes, and that's me, the noob! :(
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11:37<simber>themill: sorry but what must i do, dpkg sayas no such mencoder whatsoever
11:38<themill>!tell simber about dmm
11:38<themill>!tell simber about debian-multimedia.etch
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11:43<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.dnnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.
11:43<themill>fxiny: ^^ better?
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11:53<kop>themill: You left of a \ in the \n.
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11:54<themill>kop: ugh.. good catch.
11:55<themill>kop: either my irc client or the bot cleaned that out on me... needed two \\ to get in.
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11:55<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.
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12:19<coogs>does anybody have experience with debian on a dell laptop?
12:19<coogs>more specifically, an e1405.
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12:20<dpkg>it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
12:20<themill>coogs: unlikely here, but look in those places
12:21<themill>coogs: If you have specific questions, then we can help you with them.
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12:22<neuro_damage>coogs, it's me :).
12:22<neuro_damage>coogs, see how cool computers are.
12:22<neuro_damage>debhelper, ?
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12:22<neuro_damage>debhelper, help
12:23<neuro_damage>debhelper, are you a bot?
12:23<themill>neuro_damage: yes it's a bot but it doesn't do anything other than keep spammers out
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12:23<neuro_damage>themill, oh ok.
12:23<themill>dpkg is our info bit
12:23<coogs>How do I install the driver for a Dell Pre-N wirless card?
12:23<neuro_damage>my buddy coogs is sitting right next to me but he's learning linux on debian distro and I haven't used it in some time.
12:24<neuro_damage>but also I was wondering how to build his kernel with <4k stack space so that the ndiswrapper drivers load properly
12:24<neuro_damage>right now he has a restriction.
12:24<neuro_damage>rather right now the module loads but the driver doesn't function normally
12:24<themill>what's the module?
12:25<neuro_damage>ndiswrapper, that's what the kernel is loading
12:25<neuro_damage>he's at my house
12:25<christian>does someone know, how to mount a partion on an other hard disk, it is fat32 formatted??
12:26<themill>!tell christian about vfatrw
12:26<neuro_damage>and i'm terminalled into his machine as root for any extra help I can provide, cause he's new to linux period, but I don't want him to revert back to windows because of a wireless card issue
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12:26<themill>neuro_damage: I've never touched ndiswrapper so I'm not going to be much help.... but you say it doesn't work. Do you have an error message?
12:27<neuro_damage>no error message, I know the issue MOST likely is because the stack is at 4k size.
12:29<neuro_damage>well ok how can I build a kernel on debian the easy way.
12:29<themill>hmmm... I'm certainly no help then... recompiling your kernel is no fun at all and I won't recommend it as I don't know if it will work for you.
12:29<themill>!kp mantra
12:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
12:29<themill>neuro_damage: ^^
12:29[~]fxiny thinks dpkg is a super toy
12:29<neuro_damage>it's outdated
12:30<fxiny>a hairy one :)
12:30<themill>neuro_damage: ?
12:30<neuro_damage>I have a better reference, I'm using that actually
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12:30<neuro_damage>it's just mostly about knowing the right packages to download, instead of doing the hwole thing vanilla style
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12:31<themill>neuro_damage: your "newer" reference isn't that great.... e.g. whoever wrote 3.3 should be larted.
12:31<neuro_damage>uh oh
12:32<neuro_damage>they're all 2.4.* kernels
12:32<neuro_damage>what's up with this
12:32<neuro_damage>got a better one finally
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12:32<themill>and both of those docs give a really crappy explanation of --append-to-version and --revision
12:33<themill>neuro_damage: are you running a debian stock kernel on this thing?
12:33<neuro_damage>it just fetched a debian image.
12:33<themill>neuro_damage: and you're using ndiswrapper from debian sources too?
12:33<neuro_damage>the ndiswrapper module from apt-get
12:34<neuro_damage>everything right now is apt-get, and I was hoping there were kernel-images that had >4k support.
12:34<themill>neuro_damage: then I find it quite implausible that you'd need to recompile your kernel to get ndiswrapper to work.
12:34<neuro_damage>so I didn't have to worry about that for him.
12:34<neuro_damage>themill, one sec.
12:34<fxiny>more then 4 ? yes
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12:35<neuro_damage>themill, i know the guy who wrote ndiswrapper for his discertation (via irc-chat), he said smp and 4k stack size will cause problems
12:35<themill>neuro_damage: still? The rest of the world is using these things a lot...
12:35<neuro_damage>I have experienced issues with smp and 4k stack size issues in the past myself when doing project evil under freeBSD, so If we could just assume that I'm trying to get a SANE, SMP=NO installation
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12:35<neuro_damage>themill, right.
12:36<neuro_damage>themill, but there are a few broadcom chips that issues with these things, so I would like to just og with if you know how it's possible
12:36<themill>neuro_damage: smp is always on in kernels since 2.6.17ish (I forget when)
12:36<neuro_damage>to install a non-smp, >4k stack size kernel image?
12:36<neuro_damage>right...which makes sense.
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12:36<themill>neuro_damage: or at least it is always in debian kernels.
12:36<vnode>can anybody tell me how to create a database of all my mp3s with gtkpod
12:36<neuro_damage>because the general masses requires it considering CPUs are multicore etc..
12:36<vnode>i am stuck:(
12:37<themill>neuro_damage: core 2 duos etc, yes.
12:37<neuro_damage>themill, but there are rare cases which is why it's a switch in the menuconfig :)
12:37<neuro_damage>right so how do I install this on debian ? the way I'm asking for it?
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12:38<themill>neuro_damage: If you want to have a bash at a new kernel, then follow the advice that dpkg gave earlier. aptitude install linux-source-2.6.whatever-you-want build-essential kernel-package
12:38<themill>neuro_damage: 2.6.22 is in etch-backports which might be useful to you too. /msg dpkg bpo
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12:40<themill>neuro_damage: and the current config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) for you to work with as a starting point
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12:40<themill>neuro_damage: Anyway, I've got to go now, but others are around.... just keep chanting that kp mantra :)
12:40<fxiny>yahhh invoke the gods
12:41<neuro_damage>themill, it'd be nice if you walked me through an exampel
12:41<neuro_damage>i just re-read the content
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12:41<neuro_damage>so I don't have to re-read man pages
12:41<themill>neuro_damage: sorry, no can do. I've got a choir rehearsal to go to now.
12:41<neuro_damage>aight late.
12:41<themill>fxiny: heh
12:41<neuro_damage>themill, cheers again
12:42<fxiny>themill: that's what mantras are : invokations :)
12:42<themill>neuro_damage, coogs: good luck; happy hunting!
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13:19<OZ>Well, I'm still having the same problem as before. after "boot:\nLoading Linux..." <- with exactly 23 dots, it sits there waiting for keyboard input, on my server.
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13:19<OZ>I'm pretty sure it isn't Lilo at this point
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13:21<OZ>Any ideas for debugging this?
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13:25<error3>hi :)
13:25<Swingkyd>greetings. first time irc for me in years. I have a problem with my Xorg screen display being shaky despite apparently "OK" settings. Can anyone help?
13:26<qbit>Swingkyd, ya try the ever popular monitor smack?
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13:27<Swingkyd>qbit, well, unfortunately this does not work. It is really really annoying. Things work OK in my windows environment
13:27<Swingkyd>does anyone use anymore?
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13:28<qbit>no clue ..
13:29<qbit>did ya try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
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13:30<Swingkyd>qbit, yes, the problem seems to be something with the radeon module. Although the xorg log file says my card is supported. monitor settings agree with manufacturer specs. i'm really at a loss.
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13:31<qbit>mmm i have never had good luck with the ati drivers ... something is always horked
13:31<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: which card do you have and which drivers do you use ?
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13:33<Swingkyd>pumpkin0, VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE], radeon or ati produce same shaky behaviour (ati seems to load radeon anyway)
13:33<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: OK, that is the opensource ati-driver. Do you know how pastebins work and can you get the xorg.log into one ?
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13:34<Swingkyd>pumpkin0 I have the log posted on debianhelp dot org but I don't want to post it here in case it's back nettiquet. I do not know what pastebins are
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13:35<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: ok, just give me a link to the log. Don't paste in here ...
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13:37<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: remove the lines HorizSync 30-97, VertRefresh 50-180 and the modeline. Test again.
13:39<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: done after the distribution upgrade from xfree to xorg. Those lines were removed and the behaviour remained the same. i think it's taking the data from the EDID data.
13:39<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: hmm.. so it is not a too high/low Hz. How does the screen look like ?
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13:40<Swingkyd>pumpkin0 screen looks good. no fuzziness (usually associated with bad sync rates) or out of range errors. The problem is everything "shakes."
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13:41<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: moves from left to right or up and down ?
13:41<Swingkyd>an anyone recommend me a curses or ncurses irc client so I can troubleshoot while I'm on my system without X?
13:41<dpkg>somebody said irssi was the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
13:41<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: ? I'm not sure what you mean
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13:42<Swingkyd>dpkg: irssi it is
13:42<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: things shake, so they move around ?
13:42<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: dpkg is the channel bot. He answerd to the !irssi from JasonS. That script will not talk normaly ...
13:43<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: the effect would be similar to holding your screen and shaking it constantly. eyes get very tired.
13:43<Swingkyd>JasonS: thanks ;)
13:43<Swingkyd>JasonS: so Not irssi?
13:43<Swingkyd>pumpkin0 thanks for the bot info it makes sense. who would name themselves dpkg?
13:44<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: do windows and linux use different sync rates ?
13:44<JasonS>Swingkyd: you wanted a term irc client correct?
13:44<Swingkyd>pumpkin0 how can we tell what the sync rates are on windows?
13:44<Swingkyd>JasonS: correct. I thought you put !irssi (or NOT irssi)
13:44<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: i usually ask the OSD (OnScreen Dialog)...
13:45<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: dpkgs commands start with !. That way he does not react to normal text.
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13:46<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: I don't seem to have the osd.exe executable. I'm looking
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13:47<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: no, not a programm. The dialog you get by pressing on the displays buttons. The one for adjusting color, brightness,...
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13:49<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: FH: +91.4kHz, FV: +85.9 hz
13:50<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: for windows or linux ?
13:50<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: windows
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13:50<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: and the current linux xorg-setup goes to ... ?
13:51<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: good question. I will have to boot into linux, load irssi and get back to you... OK?
13:52<pumpkin0>Swingkyd: ... i'm here for the next 2 hours
13:52<Swingkyd>pumpkin0: Thanks!
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13:54<rtmex>Hello all, does anyone know where can I find a list of the supported languajes by Etch?
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13:59<swingkyd>pumpkin0 apparently my upgrade to etch did not work so well. I am using an old kernel 2.6.8 kernel which does not support udev. now I have to find one that does support udev before I can get my X up and running again
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14:00<pumpkin0>swingkyd: OK, i cannot help you with that one. Are you sure it's the udev-thing and not missing fonts or something simple ?
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14:12<swingkyd>pumpkin0: well, the xorg log file complains that there is no /dev/psaux and that udev needs 2.6.15+ kernel to locate this.
14:13<error3>swingkyd: you have < 2.15 kernel ?
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14:15<swingkyd>error3 2.6.8
14:16<swingkyd>it's been years since i've touched this debian machine (it's a work comp)
14:16<error3>oh I see
14:16<error3>doesn't the release not help you ?
14:17<error3>I think there was things about it
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14:18<swingkyd>error3, I don't seem to have any kernel versions available to me (but the nvidia-kernel's whichI don't need).
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14:28<swingkyd>pumpkin0: upgraded kernel, X working: freqs: H 91.4, V 85.9
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14:29<jla>When I compile with gcc I get odd characters where quotes should be. I believe this is due to switching to the UTF-8 locale. Is there a good troubleshooting or reference for getting locale set up correctly?
14:29<pumpkin0>swingkyd: and it still shakes ??
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14:29<swingkyd>pumpkin0: the shaking appears to be horizontal in nature (not vertical)... hang on...they are there. sometimes they are worse and sometimes they are hardly noticable.
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14:31<jla>The quotes are when I have a compile error, and the locale is en_US.UTF-8
14:31<swingkyd>pumpkin0: yes, they are still there. I would say a bit better though. I see them especially when I'm moving a window. All the stationary windows and the edges of the screen shake.
14:31<pumpkin0>swingkyd: i have no idea why that happens...
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14:34<swingkyd>pumpkin0 my sync and refresh rates are much less in console mode so things are really happy: H 31.5, V 70.9
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14:35<swingkyd>pumpkin0: well, thanks for trying.
14:36<pumpkin0>swingkyd: you could put the modline back in and set it to 70Hz ...
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14:38<smhar>I am currently using kernel 2.6.18-686 -I tried .21 but got several ACPI errors- I am trying to install the graphics driver for ati. I followed the fglrx one-liner, but it seems I still do not have it working. lsmod |grep fglrx is empty
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14:39<swingkyd>pumpkin0: what part of the modline would I change?
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14:40<Xitium>I have a question but I don't know what it is :) Basicly I'm a total newb and I'm ssh'ing into my box but if I don't do anything for a while it seems to auto close the connection, is there a way to prevent this or change the time?
14:41<swingkyd>Xitium: Have you recently upgraded ssh?
14:41<Xitium>no I just installed it
14:42<jla>I've never had my ssh sessions timeout. Maybe the shell is set to, or some networking problems.
14:42<error3>Xitium: can you configure the server ?
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14:42<Xitium>uhh .. maybe
14:42<Xitium><-- total newb
14:43<error3>TCPKeepAlive yes
14:43<error3>in sshd_config
14:43<error3>could help
14:43<error3>no ?
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14:43<Xitium>already checked that, it is set to yes
14:43<error3>oh :-/
14:45<smhar>I have followed the fglrx oneliner to install the ati driver, but I still do not have the module installed: modprobe fglrx: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. Do I have to do another step?
14:45<swingkyd>Xitium: when I had this problem, it was a router problem. I had to upgrade my router firmware. Eventually it fixed itself (not so helpful response). But did you try restarting the ssh service in your 20 second window?
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14:45<jla>try ClientAliveInterval?
14:45<Xitium>I don't think its a connection issue because, I ssh into my host box to ssh into one of my VM (so I don't have to change a bunch of ports or put more holes in the firewall) my vnc connection to my host will die at the same time I lose my putty session, but if I'm working on my guest system (doing things) that one doesn't get dropped
14:45<Xitium>swingkyd, what do you mean 20 second window?
14:46<swingkyd>Xitium: For me, I had only about 20 seconds and the host would drop me. so I had to type fast.
14:46<Xitium>ahh no mine lasts for about an hour
14:46<Xitium>thank god I found screen but its still really annoying to have to keep logging back into my host
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14:47<swingkyd>Xitium: well, you do have to use screen if you are doing a lot of administration. but i wouldn't think that if you were using it through a tunnel it would drop
14:48<cahoot>Xitium: run irssi connected to #debian in a screen - that will surely keep it alive
14:49<chealer>smhar: which Debian suite do you use?
14:49<Xitium>the main problem is, I ssh into box1 so that I can ssh into box2, seems like I'm getting auto logged out on box1 for not doing anything, wouldn't be a problem except that box2's ssh connection dies because my connection to box1 is gone (hope that makes sense)
14:49[~]Aleric is going to waste the time of a lot of people:
14:49<Aleric>apt-cache search tetris
14:50<Xitium>cahoot, intersting idea, maybe I can just have it ping localhost all day and keep it alive that way too
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14:55<smhar>chealer, lenny
14:56<chealer>smhar: did you try Linux 2.6.22?
14:56<jla>Xitium: um, ClientAliveInterval
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14:59<Xitium>jla, in the sshd_config?
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14:59<jla>Xitium: yes
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15:00<Xitium>jla, I don't see that in there
15:01<Xitium>another thing, now that I think of it, I think my VNC sessions die as well after a period of inactivity as well, I'm not tunneling my vnc thru ssh either
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15:03<jthomas>how can i copy directories recursively from one machine, over a network, to another? scp doesn't seem to like the recursive part...
15:04<jla>Xitium: man sshd_config ?
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15:04<Xitium>checking that now
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15:05<chealer>jthomas: do you have KDE on one machine?
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15:06<jthomas>chealer: no, but on a third machine; I am using fish:// now from one machine to the other, with myne in the middle
15:06<chealer>jthomas: clever :)
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15:06<jthomas>thanks ;) it works but its slowing my own network down
15:07<jthomas>oh well. thanks!
15:07<jla>Xitium: google ssh timeout, it sounds like a nat problem
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15:07<stroyan>jthomas: rsync -a will do a recursive copy
15:07<jthomas>ooh yeah, thanks for that idea
15:08<jla>Xitium: or some other problem with the network connections being dropped
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15:08<stroyan>jthomas: "rsync -r" is the actual recursive option. But I like the big bundle of options that "-a" selects.
15:09<jthomas>yeah me too
15:09<Xitium>jla, yeah its a strange one for me, since other (active) connections don't get dropped durring the same time
15:09<Xitium>since everything is on the same network and going thru the same routers I would expect it to be network wide
15:10<jla>maybe not if it's just forgetting idle connections
15:10<Xitium>hmm maybe
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15:11<jla>Anyone have some pointers for me on getting these odd characters in my gcc error output and man pages fixed? They seem to be from the UTF-8 encoding.
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15:13<Xitium>how do I restart ssh without rebooting? :D
15:13<JasonS>Xitium: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
15:13<jthomas> /etc/init.d/sshd restart
15:13<jla>when you restart the daemon it only affects new connections
15:13<JasonS>sshd sorry
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15:15<jthomas>how is daemon pronounced, anyone?
15:15<jthomas>DEE-mon? DAY-mon?
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15:16<Xitium>day mon
15:16<Xitium>or somtimes I hear people say day men
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15:16<jla>however you like. I say it dee-mon
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15:22<IRCMonkey>Hi I had a madwiki working this morning and from long ago. I tried to use it in a library. I just plugged and unplugged the card, and dit a couple of iwconfig ath0 (no other parameters), and ifup ath0 (no other parameters). All agreeded to say ath0 was unknowed. And "modprobe ath_pci" says "not found". It should be here?
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15:23<Xitium>which do you prefer aterm or eterm?
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15:24<dondelelcaro>IRCMonkey: you've probably upgraded your kernel and haven't rebuilt the madwifi modules
15:25<IRCMonkey>dondelelcaro: Did'I? Not this morning.
15:25<IRCMonkey>dondelelcaro: I use a suspend to disk to turn the computer off. Maybe...
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15:25<enrique>hello ??
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15:26<IRCMonkey>dondelelcaro: Maybe it kept on going on though, there wern't the module any more?
15:26<dondelelcaro>IRCMonkey: if modprobe isn't able to find the module, then you need to build the modules again
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15:28<smhar>chealer, I only saw .21 in apt and it gave me lots of errors regarding ACPI
15:28<chealer>smhar: assuming that's a no, try it.
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15:30<n00bst00ge>can anyone help me? how can i check what version of debian i have?
15:31<chealer>!tell n00bst00ge about debian version
15:31<FinnTux>cat /etc/debian_version
15:31<GreenCult>n00bst00ge, with cat /etc/version
15:31<n00bst00ge>total n00b whats cat
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15:31<error3>like dog but smell better
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15:32<smhar>chealer, it does not seem to be available for lenny, it doesn't show in apt-cache search
15:32<chealer>smhar: it's available for lenny
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15:32[~]gcosmin hi'yo
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15:32<n00bst00ge>what is cat?
15:32<smhar>chealer, I am only seeing .21
15:32<chealer>n00bst00ge: it's a command
15:33<FinnTux>cat is small program which shows contents of a file
15:33<n00bst00ge>so just type "cat /etc/version
15:33<FinnTux>/etc/debian_version contains version information
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15:33<chealer>n00bst00ge: no. see the factoid dpkg sent you.
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15:33<n00bst00ge>yeah, got it
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15:34<dondelelcaro>cat comes from con-cat-enate (since that's it's other function)
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15:35<[Dark-Star]>is there away to login as root in the gui
15:35<chealer>[Dark-Star]: yes
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15:36<smhar>chealer, and I am using .18 but there seem to be no headers available for it!
15:36<[Dark-Star]>how cause all i get is invaild acc ,, and if i go through my norm acc it tells me i dont have permission to do much of nothing
15:37<chealer>[Dark-Star]: "invaild acc"? when?
15:37<[Dark-Star]>main log-in
15:37<error3>smhar: I think there is linux-header-2.6.18-*
15:38<FinnTux>I don't think root logins are allowed by default
15:38<chealer>[Dark-Star]: oh. if you don't mind, what do you need to do?
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15:39<[Dark-Star]>well is there neway i can set my acc to have permission, where it doesnt ask every 2 min what admin pass is
15:40<ErJeDi>hey Dark_Star
15:41<chealer>[Dark-Star]: when doing what, for example?
15:41<smhar>error3, in my apt-cache search I am getting non in linux-header-2.6.18-*
15:41<error3>try with headers
15:41<smhar>error3, same
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15:41<[Dark-Star]>when i try and move files from my desktop to the filesys for starter
15:41<error3>smhar: what version of debian do you use
15:41<chealer>[Dark-Star]: where in the file system?
15:42<smhar>the problem with 2.6.21 is that it gives errors about ACPI and stops
15:42<smhar>error3, lenny
15:42<[Dark-Star]>from /desktop/downloads to /root/deb
15:43<error3>smhar: try booting with noacpi
15:43<smhar>error3, but this is a notebook, acpi is important
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15:43<chealer>[Dark-Star]: I suppose you don't copy packages manually frequently
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15:44<[Dark-Star]>nope windows i am
15:45<error3>smhar: so find the correct option to pass to kernel command line to disable only some feature of acpi
15:45<chealer>[Dark-Star]: what?
15:45<IRCMonkey>dondelelcaro: I had to steel the rj45 the computer I was on; therefor I don't know if I was still here. However You were right: the probem is solved. Thank you
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15:45<error3>I think it exists
15:45<chealer>error3: why would he do that?
15:45<error3>because he has some problem with acpi
15:45<error3>no ?
15:45<smhar>error3, ok, for testing, I will first boot with noacpi
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15:46<chealer>error3: with 2.6.21. he didn't even try 2.6.22.
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15:46<error3>well you're right...
15:46<error3>he should have try 2.6.22 first
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15:50<Armadillio>anyone using netscape on debian? i can't seem to get java recodnized (couldn't do it on iceweasel either)
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15:54<jla>I do, not at that computer currently. It seems like I stick java in /opt/ and then symlink or copy the plugin to my .mozilla/(or whatever the current . folder is)/plugins folder
15:54<smhar>how to pass the noacpi to grub at boot?
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15:55<Nemoder>Armadillio: did you try installing sun-java6-plugin from non-free?
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15:56<jcaviedes>hay algún programa en linux que haga lo mismo que camtasia de w$, necesito hacer un video como presentación
15:56<Armadillio>Nemoder: yea, that's how i did it
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15:58<Nemoder>hm, I thought came with that but now I'm not sure
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15:58<Armadillio>actually it looks like i installed sun-java5
15:59<Nemoder>oh it's part of sun-java6-bin
15:59<Nemoder>and it's linked in through the /etc/alternatives system
15:59<Armadillio>i've got non-free going with sarge... is that right?
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15:59<Armadillio>on the sarge repository i mean
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16:00<Nemoder>oh i think java6 is only available in lenny
16:00<Armadillio>i see...
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16:00<Nemoder>the java5 plugin should work though
16:01<Nemoder>although you should consider upgrading to Etch since it is now stable
16:01<Armadillio>i am using etch
16:01<Armadillio>at least i thought
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16:01<Nemoder>oh you said sarge
16:02<Armadillio>well yea... i have the sarge repositories with my etch install for some reason
16:02<Armadillio>i thought it was normal
16:02<Nemoder>no you should change those to either etch or stable
16:03<Armadillio>alright... done
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16:04<Nemoder>then update and try installing sun-java5-bin
16:04<Armadillio>thats weird
16:05<Armadillio>i marked the etch repositories and some lenny ones and... should i be doing that?
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16:05<Armadillio>i just got this too:
16:05<Armadillio>W: Couldn't stat source package list lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ - stat (2 No such file or directory)
16:05<Armadillio>W: Couldn't stat source package list lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.egr.msu.edu_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
16:05<Armadillio>W: Couldn't stat source package list lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
16:05<Armadillio>W: Couldn't stat source package list lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ - stat (2 No such file or directory)
16:05<Armadillio>W: Couldn't stat source package list lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.oregonstate.edu_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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16:06<smhar>I tried passing pci=noacpi to the kernel line in grub booting but I still get the same acpi error and booting halts, how to bypass this?
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16:14<APlusHost>I am Dual booting Windows XP with Debian, I installed XP first and then Debian. However when I select Windows it just Blue screens.
16:15<APlusHost>Shows a error about boot partation.
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16:16<APlusHost>Anyone know how to fix this?
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16:17<madroach>How can I do something like $> for x in $(find . -iname \*.txt); do ls $x; done when the filenames contain spaces?
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16:23<dkr>madroach: use xargs or the -exec find option
16:24<dkr>(with xarsg use null delimiter from find) e.g. find . -iname \*.txt -print0 | xargs -0 ls
16:25<dkr>more efficient since you can run the command with a bunch of files at once, instead of once for each file
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16:27<madroach>dkr: xargs looks goot
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17:00<goauld>driver iwl4965 (intel wireless) is making all my apps take 2 minutes to load (except firefox who loads very fast)
17:01<goauld>it taked 2 minutes to load konversation to join irc, and it takes a lot of time loading konqueror
17:01<goauld>anyone had noticed this issue, any clue? what could it be?
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17:03<goauld>if i unload iwl4965 everything becomes fast again, so i dont know if its driver itself or something i am doing wrong compiling things
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17:05<foug>which is the correct version as asterisk (the phone one) in apt-get?
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17:15<foug>i just installed asterisk, how can i run it? the command "asterisk" doesn't work
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17:16<Zero_>where/how can i get my wireless card to work with Debian 4.0?
17:16<Zero_>my wired connection works, but i cant get my wireless card to work, its recognizes it, but it wont connect
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17:17<yoel>Hi, I would like to know how is it possible to install from apt , gcc ver 4.1 and not 4.2
17:18<streuner>yoel: simply install that package?
17:18<streuner>what version of debian is that?
17:19<yoel>It's etch
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17:19<yoel>streuner : that's a option.. i'll check it out.. thanks
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17:19<n00bZero>how do i get my wireless to work on debian 4.0?
17:19<streuner>!info gcc
17:19<dpkg>gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.2.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB
17:20<n00bZero>and 1 more thing, i installed debian from a network install CD, how do i get all the remaining packages that didnt come with the download?
17:20<streuner>!info gcc etch
17:20<dpkg>gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
17:20<jla>n00bZero: aptitude away
17:21<bolivarian>n00bZero, what desktop do you want ? kde or gnome
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17:23<n00bZero>i have Gnome at the moment, i was thinking about KDE later
17:23<bolivarian>n00bZero, you need to install the xserver first if its just a command line install you have
17:23<n00bZero>so i just type "aptitude away"?
17:24<n00bZero>boliviarian:its gnome
17:24<streuner>n00bZero: remaining packages?
17:25<bolivarian>n00bZero, as root : aptitude update then aptitude install x-window-system-core
17:25<streuner>n00bZero: you dont want to install _EVERYTHING_...
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17:25<n00bZero>struener: just what would be installed if i used the full CD isntall set instead of the network install CD
17:26<n00bZero>i used this business card image to install debian
17:26<streuner>full CDs are the whole branch, you dont want that
17:26<jla>it depends on what you select from tasksel
17:26<jla>you can install the same little amount from a full cd
17:26<bolivarian>so you just got a base system installed then
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17:26<n00bZero>pretty much
17:26<streuner>n00bZero: just install whatever you want, no worries about other packages
17:27<n00bZero>and i think if i get more i can get my wireless card to wrok
17:27[~]streuner hides
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17:27<jla>start with tasksel if you're not sure what you are after
17:27<streuner>main problem is, firmware isnt DFSG...
17:27<n00bZero>how do i get taskel to run?
17:27<n00bZero>im a total debian n00b
17:28<streuner>in a shell just type "tasksel"
17:28<jla>type that as root, or sudo tasksel
17:28<n00bZero>i wanted to use someting besides ubuntu
17:28<n00bZero>oh yeah, when i type sudo it says im not in the sudoers list
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17:29<jla>you will need to edit the sudo conf file. as root, visudo
17:29<bolivarian>n00bZero, as root : aptitude install sudo
17:29<n00bZero>alright thanks for the help
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17:30<bolivarian>n00bZero, then as root again visudo which will bring up nano to edit the sudo user file
17:31<jla>I think he has it installed, otherwise it would have said 'command not found'
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17:31<bolivarian> thanks
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17:38<bolivarian>I been missing debian weekly news. I hope that its will come back in the future. i was reading a article some where from the person that keeped it running. He was saying that he stop i work on the news because he saw that it was a job worth paying for. like some of the DD got money for debian work. so why not the news as well. I got to say a agree with him
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18:08<Lisa696>i need a help with my debian linux ??? any person talk spanish?
18:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:10<dpkg>somebody said en was english
18:10<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
18:10<dpkg>i guess ww is Wrong Window, or World War
18:10<dli>Lisa696, don't :(
18:10<dpkg>it has been said that sniffer is tcpdump and ngrep
18:11<dpkg>sniffer is probably tcpdump and ngrep
18:11<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
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18:12<Vakio>And thus ends our sad tale.
18:12<dli>Lisa696, use /msg dpkg to query the factoid
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18:17<lamby>How can I disable `wall` and related stuff for all the users on a machine? I've tried "mesg n" in /etc/profile but it breaks when you 'su' - is there a better way?
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18:17<dkr>lamby: remove the setgid bit on the binary?
18:18<dkr>that way only root can use it
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18:18<lamby>dkr: D'oh, of course.
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18:20<peterS>lamby: and do 'man dpkg-statoverride' for how to make such a change permanent (i.e., next time you update the bsdutils package, the setgid bit stays cleared)
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18:23<stoned>peterS: hi there
18:24|-|stoned changed nick to Nyle
18:24<Nyle>i should change my oftc settings
18:24<peterS>oh there you go. I was gonna say, you're nyle on the other network
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18:24<peterS>no need to be the stone daemon here
18:24<Nyle>soon as ramadan is over man i'll be tokin again, but not for long
18:24<Nyle>its time I gave all that up. I'm not getting and younger and i'm getting tired of partying
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18:25<peterS>wait, you're going to be the black guy on south park?
18:25<Nyle>or token?
18:25<Nyle>hehe why?
18:25<peterS>"I'll be tokin again"
18:25<peterS>toke is cheap
18:25<Nyle>toking... consuming the greens
18:25<Nyle>going to the moon, etc.
18:25<stew>i'm trying to setup a tokin ring network
18:26<Nyle>i can help with that stew
18:26<Nyle>man i have not heard token ring since i did my mcse networkin essentials back in 1998
18:26<peterS>is a tokin ring kind of like a smoke ring?
18:26<Nyle>are those network topologies in use still today?
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18:27<Nyle>i have not even kept up with it, I took a lot of lan/wan networking courses in college years ago
18:27<Nyle>I forgot almost all of it
18:27<peterS>I heard of a company just a few years ago still doing new installs of machines with TR
18:27<stew>we had token ring in college in our dorm rooms
18:27<peterS>you have to assume the cost of replacing your infrastructure goes down drastically when all new computers for the past 5 years have come with built-in ethernet NICs, though
18:28<stew>my mom was in charge of a 3k node token ring network up until about 6 or 7 years ago
18:28<Nyle>your mom!!!?
18:28<Nyle>holy shit dude, its like your whole family is tech junkies
18:28<stew>my sister isn't
18:28<Nyle>well, your mom, your missus, you
18:28<Nyle>probably your kdis too
18:28<stew>my parents met when my mom was writing cobol for my dads team
18:28<Nyle>thats wicked
18:28<Nyle>my parents met in med school
18:28<peterS>yes, cobol is very wicked
18:29<stew>not in the northeastern sense, in the 'witch of the west' sense
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18:30<Nyle>well true, if you like cobol maybe peterS also likes fortran
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18:30<Nyle>oh.. fortran77
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18:30<Nyle>or gw-basic? pascal? man I loved jr. high and high school
18:30<Nyle>all these languages we studied since 6th grade
18:30<peterS>so few people on irc are actually old enough to remember that there was a basic that came before qbasic
18:31<Nyle>well, qbasic was the first one we learned
18:31<stew>i learned on basica
18:31<Nyle>i was into gwbasic before hand
18:31<Nyle>peterS: im only 26 buddy
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18:32<stew>f3=tron f4=troff
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18:33<goauld>my ipw4965.ko (intel wireless) is slowing down my konqueror and some other apps, anyone know how is this behavior and how to fix it ?
18:33[~]peterS F2's
18:33<goauld>if i remove the kernel module konqueror goes fast again
18:34<peterS>I'd forgotten about function key keyboard macros until just now, stew
18:34<stew>i don't remember any others i don't think.
18:35<Nyle>crazies :)
18:36<stew>look it had screen!
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18:46<Yarou>hey guys, networking is sufficiently slower than on Windows, and it's configured the exact same way (DNS/Gateway/DHCP)
18:46<dli>Yarou, wireless?
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18:47<dli>Yarou, very unlikely, my scp over wired can do 11MB/s over LAN
18:48<Yarou>i get 16.0 kb/s when downloading through apt
18:48<Yarou>on Windows, i get around 1.5 mb/s
18:48<dli>Yarou, test over LAN first
18:49<Yarou>it's normal
18:49<dli>Yarou, anyway, try: wget
18:50<dli>Yarou, is far faster than 16KB/s
18:50<dli>Yarou, if you get 16KB/s, it's probably a problem of ISP
18:51<Yarou>it's still 16 kb/s
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18:57<Yarou>dli, what's that url again
18:57<dli>Yarou, if you get 16KB/s, it's probably a problem of ISP
18:57<dli>Yarou, anyway, try: wget
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18:59<Daniel454>does anyone no anything about starfish
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19:01<Yarou>dli, 20:01:47 (592.29 KB/s) - `linux-2.6.23.tar.bz2' saved [45488158/45488158]
19:02<Yarou>this is on Windows
19:02<Yarou>on Debian, it's 16 kb/s
19:02<Yarou>if i'm lucky
19:03<dli>Yarou, check dmesg for possible error messages
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19:05<bolivarian>Yarou, just check to see if the module for the net card is correct, then lsmod and compare. could be the problem ?
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19:06<bolivarian>Yarou, just check to see if the module for the net card is correct, then lsmod and compare. could be the problem ?
19:06<dli>Yarou, lspci|grep -i eth
19:06<dli>Yarou, lsmod
19:07<Yarou>bolivarian, NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (which i am using) it works
19:07<Yarou>tg3 is the driver name
19:08<dli>Yarou, what kernel version? uname -a
19:09<dli>Yarou, any error message in dmesg?
19:09<dli>Yarou, I guess 2.6.20 is new enough for tg3
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19:10<bolivarian>Yarou, dmesg | grep error
19:10<Yarou>for the wireless card there is, but not for wired
19:11<dli>Yarou, disable wireless, and test the speed again
19:11<Yarou>according to network manager, it's already disabled
19:12<Yarou>and ifconfig only shows eth0 and loopback
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19:12<Yarou>HWAddr and Physical Address (from cmd prompt) are different though
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20:00<amphi>!pal war10ck
20:00[~]dpkg points at war10ck and laughs uproariously
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20:38<coogs>How can I output a selected number of lines in a file in a script?
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20:39<chealer>coogs: creating the file?
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20:41<anarcat>i'm looking into a way to lookup available package versions, from any given platform (a bit like is doing)
20:41<anarcat>i don't feel like hitting and parsing the output, what would be a better solution?
20:45<chealer>anarcat: using Packages files?
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20:47<anarcat>chealer: aren't those really big files?
20:48<anarcat>that take a lot of time to process?
20:48<dondelelcaro>sure, but how else do you plan on figuring out what packages are available?
20:48<anarcat>i dunno, that's why i ask :)
20:48<anarcat> seems fast enough, how does it work?
20:48<dondelelcaro>it parses the Packages files on its own
20:48<anarcat>can i see the source of those scripts?
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20:49<dondelelcaro>anarcat: yes, it's in a VCS repository
20:49<anarcat>and where is that please?
20:49<chealer>anarcat: depends on the scale of what you're doing. they're not enormous.
20:49<anarcat>chealer: irc bot :)
20:49<anarcat>chealer: i'm rewriting the Debian supybot plugin for gozerbot
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20:50<anarcat>don't ask me why, i'm trying to keep myself from doing this, but i can't help it
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20:52<daos>interbird: hi again, getting somewhere with my ADS and Samab issues
20:52<anarcat>from what i can see here, does a lot of optimisation and doesn't parse the Packages or COntents files directory at every request
20:53<dondelelcaro>anarcat: of course
20:53<dondelelcaro>(almost nothing does that)
20:53<anarcat>which explains why the supybot hits instead of doing it itself
20:53<daos>interbird: in AD the samba DNS name was assigned to 'localhost' which I have now fixed but I sitll get the following error: Failed to verify incoming ticket with error NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE!
20:53<anarcat>dondelelcaro: doesn't apt-get update do that?
20:53<anarcat>dondelelcaro: or apt-get install foo?
20:53<dondelelcaro>anarcat: only apt-get update does
20:54<dondelelcaro>anarcat: everything else uses the pkgcache.bin or srcpkgcache.bin if they exists
20:54<anarcat>i see
20:54<daos>or if anyone else can help I am all ears ;)
20:54<anarcat>dondelelcaro and chealer, thanks for the help
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20:57<daos>the issue I am having is that Samba 3.026 is joined to a Windows 2003 ADS domain, I can use all the wbinfo commands but I can't access any of the Samba shares from the Windows systems
20:57<daos>I get this error: Failed to verify incoming ticket with error NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE!
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21:29<Armadillio>so your team is a majority of mormons, and before a football game the team coach suggests to the captains that they should have prayer. now, I'm wondering, can the coaches get sued up the ass because they suggested prayer, or can I get the captains in deep shit for doing the prayer? this is in the USA, btw, where there is seperation of church and state and whatnot.
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21:31<Supaplex>the captians could decline the request
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21:32<Downix>hello everyone
21:33<Downix>anyone happen to be familiar with Debian on SPARC?
21:33<Downix>Keep running into idiosyncrocies I don't know
21:33<chealer>!tell Downix about sparc
21:33<Supaplex>there are a few. they won't beat the issue out of you to help you fix it. you'll have to <ask> and see if someone responds.
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21:34<Downix>I'm just trying to find out how to get to a command prompt. I hate using X for everything
21:34<Downix>the usual cntl+alt+F1 isn't doing it
21:35<Downix>that and the KDE setup it came with doesn't seem to have any kind of network tools, so I can't get DHCP
21:35<Downix>likely just setup differently than I'm used to
21:36<chealer>Downix: chvt should work
21:36<Downix>I have terminal!
21:37<Downix>quad CPU goodness, if I can get it to connect to a network
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21:38<Downix>egads, kernel 2.2.25!
21:38<Supaplex>main screen turn on
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21:41<Downix>I haven't had to deal with manually configuring a network in years
21:41<Downix>surprised KDE is missing network tools
21:42<Supaplex>a lot of the kde components are optional install items.
21:43<Downix>so I am seeing
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21:43<Downix>I wonder which version of debian this thing has
21:43<Supaplex>it's either that, or install-every-freaking-package-known-to-man
21:44<Supaplex>which sucks :)
21:45<Downix>any command line entry for the machine to set it's IP?
21:46<Supaplex>ifconfig, man 5 interfaces.
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21:47<Downix>hm, it says I have an IP
21:48<Supaplex>does it say running?
21:48<Supaplex>maybe interfaces(5) was already set to dhcp
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21:49<Supaplex>and do you have a route?
21:49<Supaplex>route -n
21:49<Supaplex>route add default gw ip.ip.ip.ip dev <if>
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21:50[~]Supaplex grabs the lappie psu before the ibook dies
21:50<joxzank>how to set dns in comand line
21:50<Supaplex>man 5 resolv.conf
21:51<Downix>syntax error near unexpected token "newline"
21:51<joxzank>do you mean direct edit /etc/resolv.conf
21:52<joxzank>ok thanx a lot
21:52<joxzank>yes no my dns running
21:52<Supaplex>dhcp might overwrite that anyway.
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21:53<joxzank>yes now my dns running
21:54<Downix>not sure what 'newline' means
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21:54<Supaplex>that's a \n
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21:55<Downix>so have to edit the inet_route file?
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21:56<chealer>Downix: to do what?
21:56<Downix>no idea
21:57<Downix>it just gave me an error trying to add a gateway
21:57<chealer>Downix: well, if you don't know why you'd do it, I suppose you don't need to.
21:57<Supaplex>Downix: is there a dhcp server on that network?
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21:57<Downix>Supaplex: Yes
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21:58<Supaplex>edit /etc/network/interfaces accordingly, run /etc/init.d/networking stop and then /etc/init.d/networking start
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21:58<Downix>dhclient worked
21:59<Supaplex>dhclient isn't persistant between reboots, but /etc/network/interfaces is
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21:59<Downix>'I'll edit it after I finish upgrading, this install is 3 years old
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21:59<Supaplex>sounds like ... fun. :P
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22:00<interbird>daos: The ticket has to do with Kerberos authentication. Have you tried to comment-out the realm line in smb.conf ?
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22:02<user_>alguem pode me tirar uma duvida do debian?
22:02<chealer>!tell user_ about br
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22:03<user_>coloquei para copiar um arquivo de 700mb de um cd para o hd, e aparece que vai demorar + de 40minutos para fazer a operacao, isso eh normal?
22:03<chealer>user_: do not write portuguese here.
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22:05<interbird>daos: Also, 2k3 must operate in mixed-mode; dunno how to set that, probably registry
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22:07<interbird>daos: google on samba kerberos
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22:16<interbird>daos: section Integration
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22:16<interbird>daos: Maybe you also need security=ads in smb.conf
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22:17<Downix>ok, now how do I identify exactly how old this distro is?
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22:18<Downix>and apt-get update is not connecting to any servers which gives me an idea how old....
22:18<chealer>Downix: which distro is it?
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22:19<chealer>Downix: well, Debian was created in 1993/1996, if that's what you mean
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22:19<Downix>chealer: No, I mean I'm trying to find out if this machine I'm working on is sarge, woody, or what
22:20<chealer>!tell Downix about which version of debian
22:20<Requiem>check /etc/apt/sources.list then
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22:22<interbird>cat /etc/debian_version
22:22<Downix>chealer: I got an error, could not parse
22:22<joxzank>try to check /etc/lsb-release
22:23<Downix>debian 3.1
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22:23<interbird>uname -a
22:24<interbird>looks like Sarge
22:24<Downix>and apt-get isn't working
22:24<Downix>going to take time to debug
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22:25<Downix>being a non-stadard CPU, I expected some issues
22:25<Downix>yup it's Sarge
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22:32<xxcorruptionxx>Does anyone have any experance with installing vmware-server?
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22:34<joxzank>try using virtualbox
22:34<joxzank>i am enjoy with it
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22:40<xxcorruptionxx>Anyone here?
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22:41<xxcorruptionxx>Please help me >.<
22:42<xxcorruptionxx>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
22:42<xxcorruptionxx>kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
22:42<xxcorruptionxx>The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
22:42<xxcorruptionxx>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
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23:00<Serialkiller>ok, i want to reboot my server, but it isnt taking shutdown -r now or reboot. any idea?
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23:09<Supaplex>init 6 ?
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23:10<Serialkiller>init 6 ?
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23:13<dpkg>hmm... init is the init daemon
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23:14<Supaplex>or: sync ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq ; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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23:46<Internat>howdy.. so i have a computer that debian was on hdb1. i had to rebuild a few things and its now on hda1 but i cant get it to boot, cause obviously everything is still looking at hdb1.. it loads up busybox in iinitrdfs or something simular.. but i dont know what i need to do/change to allow to make it use hda1
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23:48<chuy_max>Internat: (for grub) /boot/grub/menu.lst
23:50<alaya>Internat: edit fstab and the boot loader config to point to the correct device
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