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00:32<retrogran>alrighty I need to do some backups before hand - thank you klys
00:32<HolyAvenger>I would like to ask for some help
00:32<HolyAvenger>Does anyone have some time?
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00:33<HolyAvenger>I get this message when installing Apache
00:34<HolyAvenger>configure: error: ...No recognized SSL/TLS toolkit detected
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00:35<jm_>how are you installing apache?
00:35<HolyAvenger>I'm sorry, I'm completely new to this. What do you mean by "how"?
00:36<jm_>steps performed to install it ....
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00:36<HolyAvenger>give me one sec
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00:36<HolyAvenger>I'll reproduce them all
00:36<jm_>don't paste here though, use paste site(s)
00:36<HolyAvenger>It's on spanish
00:37<HolyAvenger>But I'm assuming the process is still the same
00:37<HolyAvenger>Under Apache
00:37<HolyAvenger>Is where they guide you on howto
00:37<jm_>no don't do that
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00:38<HolyAvenger>?They are wrong in some way?
00:38<jm_>yes, use Debian packages instead
00:38<HolyAvenger>Oh, now I don't understand what you mean. =S
00:39<HolyAvenger>Should I delete all the packages I downloaded?
00:39<jm_>did you run anything similar to make install?
00:40<HolyAvenger>Right after doing the "# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2 --with-ssl=/usr/include/openssl --enable-ssl " thing
00:40<HolyAvenger>I was supposed to do
00:40<HolyAvenger>"make install"
00:40<HolyAvenger>but I never got to that stage
00:40<HolyAvenger>because I'm stuck with this error
00:40<jm_>ahh ok, so you haven't done anything yet, you can just delete the stuff you downloaded and unpacked when you want
00:40<HolyAvenger>Give me one sec
00:41<HolyAvenger>can you tell me how to delete files/folders via Debian?
00:41<HolyAvenger>I'm going through FTP to do it
00:41<HolyAvenger>I'm completely new, so I'm learning as I go
00:41<jm_>uhm rm, better use some file manager
00:41<HolyAvenger>I'm using PuTTY, btw
00:42<HolyAvenger>I don't know if you need that info, but just in case.
00:42<jm_>ahh you're connected from Windows? you can use mc as file manager
00:42<jm_>similar to norton commander
00:42<HolyAvenger>I'm on a Windows XP system
00:43<HolyAvenger>connecting to a Server via Putty
00:43<HolyAvenger>the server has Devian Sarge
00:43<HolyAvenger>(in german, =S)
00:43<HolyAvenger>(which is another thing I need to change ... when I learn more about that =p)
00:43<jm_>yeah read Etch release notes and upgrade
00:43<HolyAvenger>what does etch means?
00:44<HolyAvenger>I was offered Sarge or Etch
00:44<jm_>it's a release after Sarge, so 4.0
00:44<jm_>should have picked Etch :)
00:44<HolyAvenger>Didn't know that. =(
00:45<HolyAvenger>now that I deleted those folders
00:45<HolyAvenger>what should I do?
00:47<jm_>upgrade to etch first
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00:47<HolyAvenger>Now I seriously believe you are asking me for immposibles
00:47<HolyAvenger>Where should I get info on that?
00:47<HolyAvenger>(like a howto)
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00:49<gsimmons>!release notes
00:49<dpkg>somebody said release notes was
00:49<HolyAvenger>thank you.
00:52<HolyAvenger>Haha, I'm not getting anything of it. Do I have to download anything?
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00:53<HolyAvenger>Found it
00:53<HolyAvenger>Should I download it from the server? And then run it from there?
00:54<HolyAvenger>I'm sorry. You must deal with this kind of thing daily.
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01:02<gsimmons>HolyAvenger: You'd want read the release notes, specifically chapters 4 and 5. The upgrade procedure (from sarge to etch) is detailed in chapter 4.
01:06<HolyAvenger>thank you.
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01:10<hugle>Hello everyone
01:10<hugle>Is anyone here having luck instaling Linux on SAS drive ?
01:11<hugle>I have a problem described here..
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01:28<lu-bao>when i want to stream dvb through lan i have setup my host computer with dvb card with its ip and port 8080 but then when i tried to connect with my notebook through lan kaffeine says "no module available to handle slave://" somebody knows this problem and how to setup it right?
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01:50<alaya>what about using vlc instead of kaffeine?
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01:58<linxa>i upgraded to debian sid
01:59<Supaplex>hope you know how to fix it. :)
01:59<linxa>is it normal this "cat /etc/issue"
01:59<linxa>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
01:59<Supaplex>looks normal to me.
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01:59<linxa>i want to install compiz-fusion
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02:00<linxa>but i have this problem
02:00<Supaplex>my /etc/issue is identical on the sid install I have.
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02:01<linxa>when i try to install it, synaptic show me
02:01<Eulex>!sid upgrade
02:01<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
02:01<Supaplex>no what?
02:01<linxa>'cause when i tryied ti install compiz on debian etch
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02:02<linxa>i couldn't install it
02:02<Eulex>and what has that got to do with anything? in any case, state your current problem.
02:02<Supaplex>if it's in etch, you should have stayed with etch and asked for help then.
02:03<linxa>for this reason, i installed sid
02:04<Supaplex>so you move to something far less stable. that's the wrong way to do it.
02:04<linxa>what can i do?
02:04<linxa>compiz on debian etch is not good
02:04<Supaplex>figure it out, or reinstall etch
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02:04<Supaplex>!don't work
02:04<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
02:04<chealer>linxa: which problem?
02:04<Supaplex>'not good' is too vague. are you avoiding specifics on purpose?
02:05<linxa>i can't install compiz-fusion
02:05<chealer>linxa: why?
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02:06<linxa>when i try it, synaptic doesnt' install it
02:06<jm_>this is one of those cases where you have to drag info out of people
02:07<chealer>linxa: why?
02:07<Eulex>linxa, ... and gives what error?
02:07<Supaplex>linxa: guess what
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02:08<Supaplex>I bet it was "I don't know" but he was too afriad to say so.
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02:19<linxa>i installed compiz-fusion
02:19<linxa>i have a problem
02:19<linxa>when i put "compiz --replace -c emerald"
02:20<linxa>i can't see the windows
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02:29<HolyAvenger>Debain Etch (4.0) Plain
02:29<HolyAvenger>Is that the "best" one ?
02:29<Eulex>define 'best'
02:29<ifvoid>depends on what your definition of "best" is
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02:31<ajcc>I'm thinking about getting a tiny computer/thing for using it as a file-server in a small network. I would like it to be able to run Debian, not cost to much and not eat to much power either. Wireless capability is a must, pci or minipci is fine. Any recommendations?
02:32<Supaplex>ajcc: debian should be able to handle that. what's the hardware?
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02:33<HolyAvenger>"best" as in "newest"
02:33<ifvoid>ajcc: a nice sempron system or so would do the trick, I guess
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02:33<Eulex>HolyAvenger, it's the latest stable.
02:33<ifvoid>HolyAvenger: etch does not have the newest software
02:34<ajcc>Supaplex: doesn't matter, arm or mips would be nice because of the low power consuption
02:34<Supaplex>it's the best stable to date. :P
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02:34<Supaplex>ajcc: check out the install-guide.
02:34<Supaplex>!tell ajcc -about i-g
02:34<HolyAvenger>I want to run an apache
02:34<HolyAvenger>and php
02:34<HolyAvenger>nothing more
02:34<HolyAvenger>nothing less
02:34<HolyAvenger>well, tes
02:35<Supaplex>!tell HolyAvenger -about enter
02:35<HolyAvenger>I want to start with that
02:35<Supaplex>!tell HolyAvenger -about search
02:35<Eulex>HolyAvenger, etch will be able to do that. and if you're going to run a server, I'd strongly suggest to run stable.
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02:36<ajcc>ifvoid: is there any complete sempron systems that one could find used?
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02:36<HolyAvenger>Sorry about the punctuation stuff. But regarding search, I've been googling all night long to no avail. I'm switching to etch because I was told I won't have the issues I was having
02:36<ifvoid>ajcc: probably
02:36<ifvoid>ajcc: but nothing really special
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02:36<Eulex>HolyAvenger, what issues are you having and what are you running currently?
02:36<ifvoid>and I guess you could build a new system for $200 or so nowadays
02:37<HolyAvenger>Eulex: Is "stable" = to "Etch"?
02:37<jm_>ajcc: a few people posted about using Debian on NSLU2 lately
02:37<Eulex>HolyAvenger, yes, etch is the current stable.
02:37<HolyAvenger>I'm on Sarge and I was unable to install apache
02:37<HolyAvenger>you can find a detailed explanation
02:37<jm_>HolyAvenger: that's because you were trying to install it from source ...
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02:37<Eulex>!wayc HolyAvenger
02:37<dpkg>HolyAvenger: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude?
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02:38<HolyAvenger>I have no idea what you are talking about.
02:38<jm_>why are you using Linux at all?
02:38<HolyAvenger>I was given my server with Sarge.
02:38<Eulex>HolyAvenger, why aren't you just installing apache the debian way, instead of trying to compile it?
02:38<HolyAvenger>because I was told "it might be a pain to learn, but it's the best"
02:38<jm_>so we can conclude you like the pain
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02:39<HolyAvenger>Well, I AM still around
02:39<Supaplex>HolyAvenger: anytime you install something outside of the package management system, you get to clean up after all the entrails
02:39<jm_>honestly, upgrade to Etch first
02:39<HolyAvenger>I'm at that. =)
02:39<HolyAvenger>It was easier than I thought
02:39<Eulex>HolyAvenger, and _then_ install apache using aptitude or apt-get
02:40<Eulex>HolyAvenger, if you have no real reason, you shouldn't compile it.
02:40<HolyAvenger>Is there a site or guide with "The devian way" guide? Like what it already has and I have no need to download again?
02:40<Supaplex>dpkg: tell us about the time you compiled stuff and didn't use apt-get. ;)
02:40<jm_>you install it just like any other package, that's the debian way
02:41<Supaplex>eg, aptitude install <it>
02:41<Supaplex>!tell HolyAvenger -about search
02:41<HolyAvenger>I guess I can't be in awe since Ubuntu was insanely Windows like
02:41<ajcc>jm_: interesting, I saw that there was many other systems supported as well :) I'll take a close look into them
02:41<Supaplex>HolyAvenger: what are you suggesting?
02:41<Eulex>HolyAvenger, do you know how to use aptitude or apt-get?
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02:42<HolyAvenger>Supaplex: Didn't get what you mean.
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02:42<HolyAvenger>Eulex: No. I'm a complete n00b to it. I'm learning as I go. I've been googling all night long for guides, etc, but I was stuck with the apache thing and I was unable to move forward
02:43<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
02:43<jm_>HolyAvenger: ^^^^^^^^^
02:43<Supaplex>HolyAvenger: "I guess I can't be in awe since Ubuntu was insanely Windows like" 1. you like how ubuntu is windows like. 2. you dislike debian because it's not like ubuntu. 3. oversimlificiation of an os like windows means aptitude sucks because you think ... 4. yes, I have no idea what you meant by that statement either.
02:43<jm_>the first two things are very important for you at this stage
02:44<Eulex>HolyAvenger, first thing you need to know is that you can bring up help for any command by using the man command. for example, man apt-get or man aptitude.
02:45<HolyAvenger>Supaplex: Ubuntu was amazingly simple to understand. (Kubuntu too) It was like using windows, but on a differently coloured gui
02:45<HolyAvenger>Eulex and dpkg: I'm taking notes on both your tips.
02:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
02:46<HolyAvenger>Oh, lawl.
02:47<Supaplex>HolyAvenger: you can install a window manager like gnome or kde just like the ubuntu folks offer. guess where they get their packages and package management system from? :) mostly us! (and they alter it to their needs)
02:47<Supaplex>!tell HolyAvenger about based on debian
02:47<Supaplex>(just fyi)
02:47<Eulex>HolyAvenger, read section 6 in the debian reference.
02:47<HolyAvenger>wait ... really?
02:47<HolyAvenger>I can install xfce or gnome on Debian?
02:48<Supaplex>hence <search>
02:48<Eulex>!install gnome
02:48<dpkg>To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x>
02:49<Eulex>HolyAvenger, or kde, or any out of a heap of wms. debian gives you the choice.
02:50<HolyAvenger>Trust me, it's not that I haven't search. It's just that most of the time I don't know HOW TO search. On windows is one thing but here is like "How do i XXXX" (Too complicated) "How do I copy-paste?" (Still a little bit too much) "What is Debian" (Dictionary)
02:50<Eulex>HolyAvenger, dpkg has told you how to search for packages.
02:50<HolyAvenger>I meant "before" meeting that bot.
02:51<HolyAvenger>Ok. I take off my hat before you, guys.
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02:51<HolyAvenger>In like ... 20 minutes, I've got a shitload of stuff to learn. =)
02:51<HolyAvenger>I finally have a place where to start.
02:52<Supaplex>if dpkg wasn't so literal, I'd type !tell HolyAvenger about everything
02:52<dpkg>i guess everything is so...Fast - I've got an AI prototype
02:53<HolyAvenger>Sorry about that. It must suck to have someone like me asking about "How do I click?"
02:53<Supaplex>07:53 <Supaplex> the ultimate question of life the universe and everything is 42
02:53<Supaplex>07:53 <dpkg> that's too long, Supaplex
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02:53<Supaplex>ah rats. :P
02:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life
02:54<HolyAvenger>Haha, amazing book/radio series
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03:03<seego>Çäðàâñòâóéòå ìíîãîóâàæàåìûå
03:04<seego>ìîæåò êòî ïîìåæåò â ðåøåíèè ïðîáëåìû ñ rdesktop
03:04<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:04<jm_>yay sorry
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03:05<gsdoukas>hello pals
03:05<gsdoukas>i have a small problem, i added the usb device but isn't mounted and cannot find it in /dev/ any ideas?
03:06<streuner_>cat /proc/version
03:06<squirrelpimp>gsdoukas: run dmesg in a shell, it will tell you where to look
03:06<chealer>!tell gsdoukas about ideas
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03:06<squirrelpimp>!tell squirrelpimp about ideas
03:06<marwin>I got a PCMCIA issue on a old laptop i am running.. dlink wlan card wich i am having trouble activating.. tips? tricks?
03:07<Eulex>!tell squirrelpimp about selftell
03:07<gsimmons>marwin: What model is your card?
03:07<jm_>/proc/partitions shall also identify it
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03:07<jm_>(as long as you have necessary kernel modules loaded)
03:07<squirrelpimp>i was soo curious
03:07<marwin>gsimmons: dwl-610
03:08<Eulex>squirrelpimp, now you can be how curious you want to be without spamming the channel ;)
03:08<gsimmons>!tell marwin -about rtl-wifi
03:09<gsdoukas>i see this scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage dev but i don't find any file scsi* in /dev
03:10<Eulex>they are sd*
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03:10<Eulex>but it should tell you if it got any device assigned to it, if any.
03:11<gsdoukas>sd? i got only sda and sda1 but not mountable both
03:11<marwin>thnks gsimmons =)
03:11<Eulex>define 'not mountable'
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03:13<marwin>how to i turn on pcmcia-slots? gief power ^^
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03:16<alaya>marwin: should be no need to turn on. recognized by kernel
03:16<alaya>use cardctl command to list cards
03:17<alaya>actually, pccardctl is the new command
03:18<marwin>will try, thanks. no response on cards when i put them in 0_o.. *testing*
03:19<marwin>no such command?
03:20<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
03:20<cafuego>!find bin/pccardctl
03:20<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/pccardctl' (1): (/sbin/pccardctl) in admin/pcmciautils.
03:20<marwin>hihi,thanks a billion =)
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03:21<alaya>should have been installed by default though
03:21<alaya>isn't that in the base install?
03:21[~]cafuego shrugs
03:21<weasel>hell no
03:21<jm_>I know it was and it used to ask you if you want it removed later on
03:21<weasel>most of the computers will never need it.
03:21<weasel>it might be included in the laptop task, but base? no.
03:21<jm_>not sure about etch installer
03:21<alaya>it used to be, as jm_ says
03:21<marwin>command worked, i was just noobing way to much..
03:22<marwin>so it comes with base i guess.
03:22<alaya>i guess it was critical enough to be part of base then
03:23<Vakio>It's (at least) a part of the laptop task, as weasel said.
03:24<alaya>yeah even laptops rarely need it now. everything is usb.
03:24<marwin>well, even tough the card stands in there, i cant find it, but have to do some research on my own here, thanks a bunch :)
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03:24<alaya>marwin: try tailing syslog when you insert it
03:25<marwin>alaya, ok. thanks.. will do =)
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03:25<marwin>i might just buy a USB dongle tho.. my BT dongle works like hell..
03:25<marwin>but again, thanks a bunch!
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03:27<twostepsback>is there a debian IRC bot likek there is an ubuntu IRC bot "ubotu"?
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03:28<petemc>twostepsback: /msg dpkg help
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03:29<twostepsback>petemc: thnx!!
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03:41<ace>Hi all
03:41<ace>how do i get x11-xcb?
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03:48<alaya>what is it?
03:49<alaya>closest thing is see is x11-xkb-utils package
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03:51<chealer>alaya: it left
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03:53<alaya>it. hehe.
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03:54<themill>that's because it is also asking the same question on freenode at the same time...
03:55<themill>we need a bot to listen on both channels and lart people for doing that...
03:56<chealer>genius. themill got #debian's spirit.
03:57<themill>chealer: it's just that it wastes people's time -- two people went away and looked for answers to help ace on this channel, but meanwhile, it had wandered off because people had also answered elsewhere.
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04:01<chealer>themill: no problem, I was [half-]serious. you really got a good idea. it's just exagerated to call it "genius"...until code shows, anyway :)
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04:11<sheldonh>debian is the shit
04:12<sheldonh>we're migrating from another linux distro to debian and seeing lots of annoying problems disappear along the way
04:12<sheldonh>inexplicable, with compiler optimizations, poor package version choices and distro patches being the only possible explanations
04:12<sheldonh>well, i guess that makes it explicable
04:12<sheldonh>anyway, happy puppies are we
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04:15<widrone>"meow, purr" *claws*
04:16<widrone>Im feeding one of mu puppies the etch now, so I guess I got one happy puppy slug.
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04:18<mau>aiuto per l'installazione e la configurazione di scheda video ati
04:19<chealer>!tell mau about it
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04:50<Onepamopa>FATAL: Module ip_set not found.
04:50<Onepamopa>ipset v2.2.9a: Error from kernel: Protocol not available
04:50<Onepamopa>ipset v2.2.9a: Error from kernel: Protocol not available
04:50<Onepamopa>iptables v1.3.8: Couldn't load match `psd':/lib/iptables/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:50<Onepamopa>Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
04:50<Onepamopa>iptables v1.3.8: Problem when communicating with ipset, errno=92.
04:50<Onepamopa>any ideas ?
04:51<twostepsback>one small problem - debian mailinglists are publicly archived and email addresses are not obfuscated - has that caused spam issues? will that cause more spam?
04:51<Onepamopa>I think so
04:51<Onepamopa>but well... where else to go?
04:51<twostepsback>any popular workarounds used ?
04:52<Onepamopa>I'm not so good in english, so basics.. pls
04:52<alaya>twostepsback: i run clamscan and spamassassin, but still it takes a lot of processing power to filter out all the junk
04:52<alaya>its amazing how much crap i get every day
04:52<twostepsback>i mean - some plugin in your email program that replaces the sent-from address etc?
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04:53<alaya>twostepsback: how could you do that and still send valid mail? you are talking about spoofing which is what spammers do.
04:53<twostepsback>on second thought, the plugin should be in mailman ... yes ok... got it
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04:54<twostepsback>or the code that renders the archive text as html publicly
04:54<twostepsback>hmmm... feature request...
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04:55<alaya>40 spam messages in one day
04:56<Onepamopa>alaya: dont worry, I have 150-200 @ day
04:56<alaya>sorry, make that about 80
04:56<alaya>i have 2 spam folders
04:57<Onepamopa>and I have differend kind of problem right now, no spam..
04:57<Onepamopa>stuped kernel issue..
04:57<streuner>there is an easy way to solve that, change mail adress :-)
04:59<alaya>i'm starting to wonder if icann or who else it is supposed to be is even cracking down when you report people with direct allocation address blocks hosting spammers
04:59<alaya>and half the providers are not even compliant with providing and responding to valid abuse@ addresses
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05:00<streuner>Onepamopa: if i get 200 spam mails, i would change the mail. There must be really went something wrong in the past
05:00<Onepamopa>well, I am working in ISP and we respond correctly to spam complaints
05:00<petemc>i block thousands of spams a day
05:00<petemc>people dont have the resources to respond to all complaints
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05:01<streuner>if you only getting 100 mails and want all respond well, its almost a fulltime job...
05:02<Onepamopa>so, my question - can anyone explane to me why I cant find just one *PSD* word in kernel config file ?
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05:02<jm_>!wayttd Onepamopa
05:02<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Onepamopa?
05:03<Onepamopa>jm_: what Im trying to do is setup an adaptive firewall that uses ipsec
05:03<Onepamopa>I got:
05:03<Onepamopa>FATAL: Module ip_set not found.
05:03<Onepamopa>ipset v2.2.9a: Error from kernel: Protocol not available
05:04<Onepamopa>I searched all over the kernel config file and found nothing about it
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05:06<jm_>let's see
05:06<Onepamopa>I can send you full output, if u want
05:06<alaya>i see nothing like that in 2.6.22
05:07<jm_>is ip_set some out of the tree module?
05:07<alaya>unless its a different name
05:07<Onepamopa>I'm using botk 2.6.22 and 2.6.23
05:07<jm_>patch-o-matic perhaps?
05:07<Onepamopa>I don't know, thats why i'm asking you...
05:08<Onepamopa>I was googling last night and found nothing
05:08<jm_>I see set - iptables ``set'' match on patchomatic page
05:08<jm_> -> iptables -> patch-o-matic-ng
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05:09<Onepamopa>ill check it
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05:10<Onepamopa>jm_: the other thing is: iptables v1.3.8: Couldn't load match `psd':/lib/iptables/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
05:10<Onepamopa>iptables v1.3.8: Couldn't load match `connlimit':/lib/iptables/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
05:10<Onepamopa>Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
05:10<Onepamopa>iptables v1.3.8: Problem when communicating with ipset, errno=92.
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05:10<Onepamopa>blah, sorry about that
05:11<streuner>hm, someone forgot to tell him about debhelper
05:11<Vakio>!tell Onepamopa -about pastebin
05:11<jm_>Onepamopa: psd is also there ...
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05:16<twostepsback>folks, the spam issue is solvable trivially
05:16<twostepsback>the archive runs on MHonArc
05:16<twostepsback>it has a "spam" mode
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05:17<twostepsback>which can be used to obfuscate email address display
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05:17<twostepsback>effectively reducing one solid source for harvesters to pick up data from!
05:17<jm_>heh I asked if something like that would be ever implemented for BTS, the answer was no
05:17<jm_>or rather not likely
05:18<twostepsback>but it is just usage of a module _already_ present in the software
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05:18<jm_>(yeah not related to mhmonarc, just a similar thing)
05:19<twostepsback>who is the best person to approach for this?
05:20<twostepsback>it seems 1 out of 400 email makes it through spam filters - why should debian servers take all that load for nothing/
05:22<Eulex>I remember some argument against that. like that modifying the raw mbox files is not feasible.
05:23<gsimmons>twostepsback: Try asking in #debian-lists, else send a mail to
05:24<twostepsback>they are open bugs with "will not fix" (gasp!)
05:24<twostepsback>go down to "normal bugs"
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05:26<jm_>Will Not Fix ?
05:29<jm_>and the reason is what Eulex said
05:29<jm_>good memory btw
05:30<twostepsback>no no, it can be done via MHonArc AND
05:30<jm_>read through the bug to find the real reason
05:30<twostepsback>to ensure that the address is recoverable, another interface can be used
05:30<twostepsback>read it all
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05:30<twostepsback>brute-force alphanumeric
05:31<Eulex>... so you'd encrypt the address in some way?
05:31<twostepsback>although that sounds really a good idea
05:31<twostepsback>i would suggest a /msg dpkg help kind of system in email for that
05:32<Eulex>I don't know. if you'd do that, you'd have to stop giving direct access to the mbox files.
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05:32<twostepsback>so that you need to be a registered user or subscriber to a mailing list - basically a trusted person
05:32<twostepsback>to be able to ask for another user's email
05:32<twostepsback>by mentioning the message id
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05:33<Eulex>currently the bts is a completely open system, though.
05:33<twostepsback>if any subscribed user makes more than 20 email requests a day, it's a spm mechanism, warn him and then kick him
05:33<Eulex>and why couldn't people looking for email addresses to spam register as a user?
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05:33<twostepsback>the bts can be fixed similarly
05:33<Eulex>twostepsback, so you'd kick out very active people from the bts?
05:33<twostepsback>they would
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05:34<twostepsback>that would be stretching the idea too far
05:34<twostepsback>the parameters can be adjusted and decided as necessary, but it makes crawling email addresses impossible
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05:35<twostepsback>that means they need to get into teh fort and try antics before the admins without gettign noticed
05:35<twostepsback>that is difficult
05:35<twostepsback>concept is to get them into a closed arena and then see how they can hide
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05:36<twostepsback>for email enquiry, a new mailinglist can be made which is not publicly archived, naturally, or is available to admins or behind some restriction...
05:37<twostepsback>and if one email address asks for too many others per day, gotcha!
05:37<twostepsback>also, one email address asking for a couple everyday, again, gotcha!
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05:37<twostepsback>any problems you see?
05:38<Eulex>this all needs that the bts wouldn't be completely public anymore. and also risks that legitimate people would be kicked out.
05:38<twostepsback>bts second
05:38<twostepsback>mailing lists first
05:38<twostepsback>trial run
05:38<twostepsback>learn from first mistakes
05:38<twostepsback>improve on second implementattion
05:38<twostepsback>which is teh bts
05:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 308] by debhelper
05:39<twostepsback>if we dont use intelligence, they will _misuse_ it
05:39<twostepsback>as they now do
05:39<twostepsback>and load our servers without reason
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05:39<twostepsback>is this chat logged?
05:40[~]twostepsback thinks it will be ....
05:40<jm_>yeah, by NSA
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05:40<jm_>ECHELON etc.
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05:41<Eulex>twostepsback, not officially, but we have 293 people/bots who might be logging. we cannot prevent that noone logs, and probably somebody does.
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05:41<twostepsback>yes, so what is wrong? they should, should they not? if there is a national security angle....
05:42<twostepsback>which i of course do not see, but nevertheless...
05:43<One\away>jm_: I've started compiling again... ;)
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05:44<pengol>hi there ... how do I connect to a postgresql database server and enter commands in debian?
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05:45<pengol>psql: FATAL: database "root" does not exist
05:46<gsimmons>!tell pengol -about postgresql
05:47<jm_>time to read pgsql docs
05:47<pengol>:) I have created the user and now I want to change pass
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05:51<twostepsback> does the hard work for us :-) :)
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05:59<karolos>i'm in aLAN and use write username but i get a message the user "username" isn't logged in althoughhe is. what should i do?
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06:00<karolos>i try also write username@hostname but still the same error
06:00<One\away>what are you trying to do?!
06:00<karolos>One\away: send a message to a friend
06:01<petemc>on the same machine?
06:01<One\away>well, are your friend logged into your system ?
06:01<karolos>it is different host
06:01<karolos>but same server
06:01<One\away>well, are your friend logged into your system ?
06:01<One\away>type who
06:01<One\away>and if your friend's name isnt there
06:01<karolos>he is not in who
06:02<One\away>well, use icq/irc then
06:02<petemc>write works for me
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06:02<One\away>if on the same machine - yes
06:02<One\away>if not ...
06:03<petemc>"im trying to use an application but ive no idea how it works or what it really does, what should i do"
06:03<One\away>ahahah ;)
06:03<One\away>ask stuped questions - like me ;)
06:04<smhar> hello again, I am back with ati problem :-)
06:04<One\away>nvidia rulz, ;)
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06:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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06:07<smhar>first of all, I am trying to use the 2.6.21-2-686 but it seems there are alot of errors concering ACPI, I tried disabling it in the grub boot using pci=noacpi but nothing changed, is there another way?
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06:08<themill>!tell smhar about multiple ask
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06:11<smhar>themill, oops, sorry
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06:15<One\away>I was wondering... why not all linux distros to be united under just one, one perfect distro, and crash bull (s?cker) gates ? ;)
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06:20<Eulex>One\away, because everyone has a different opinion about what 'perfect' means.
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06:21<One\away>wes, I know that, but well, if they sit on the table ...
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06:22<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team, is there a debian preferred vmware style application? I'm looking to install Win98SE in a virtual machine on a debian AMD-64 box
06:22<One\away>AndyJ_Australia: win4lin ?
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06:22<jm_>qemu shall do
06:23<AndyJ_Australia>I'll have a look at it. Thanks!
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06:23<jm_>vmware is also free, FSVO free
06:24<One\away>well, in order to use sush soft, you must have at least 1gig ram ;)
06:27<AndyJ_Australia>vmware is pretty flash, but I notice that qemu turns up on Synaptic (i.e. is a debian package)
06:27<jm_>it is package
06:27<One\away>jm_: ill tell you a story: 5 days ago, people from "GDBOP" came to my house and told me "you using unlicensed software" and I showd to them my good debby
06:27<jm_>so's kqemu nowadays
06:27<One\away>and guess what?
06:27<One\away>they didnt even know what it is
06:28<AndyJ_Australia>What's GDBOP?
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06:28<One\away>well they are like people who will get your pc if it has not licensed software
06:28<jm_>some national security service in Bulgaria it seems :)
06:28<One\away>jm_: something like that
06:29<AndyJ_Australia>Thanks team, I'm going to give qemu a whirl.
06:29<One\away>they looked into the skreen and "a-u, what is thiss?!?"
06:29<One\away>ahaha ;)
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06:40<One\away>net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_set.c:1931: error: unknown field ‘use’ specified in initializer
06:40<One\away>make[3]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_set.o] Error 1
06:40<One\away>make[2]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter] Error 2
06:40<One\away>make[1]: *** [net/ipv4] Error 2
06:40<One\away>make: *** [net] Error 2
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06:40<One\away>sorry again, but i'm pissed off...
06:41<One\away>this kernel is making me very, very angry...
06:42<petemc>no point getting angry
06:42<One\away>I dont know what to do now ...
06:43<repair-m1n>i can't seem to keep my time in sync on my debian machine, i think it might be a vmware problem though, i don't have vmware tools installed...
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06:44<jm_>repair-m1n: vmware and time sync is a known hot topic, google arround
06:44<repair-m1n>ya im doin it now
06:44<One\away>what the ???? this kernel wants??
06:44<Eulex>One\away, is your kernel patched?
06:45<One\away>Eulex: I patched it before compile
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06:46<Eulex>One\away, appears that your patching failed then. make sure the patch was intended for the the version of your kernel.
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06:46<One\away>Eulex: my kernel is 2.6.23
06:46<One\away>the patch is last version from pathomatic
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06:48<One\away>Eulex: I cant even compile nvidia kernel module (don't know the reason why)
06:49<jm_>One\away: you need the latest module, that one works OK
06:49<One\away>well the version is 100.14.11
06:49<One\away>it is supposed to work... and it worked with 2.6.22
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06:50<jm_>100.14.19-1 works
06:50<One\away>ill check it
06:50<One\away>but I still cant compile with ip_set support ...
06:51<One\away>maybe downgrade to 2.6.22 ?..
06:51<jm_>maybe :)
06:51<One\away>I'll give it a shot
06:51<One\away>god bless debian & kernel mirrors from my ISP ;)
06:53<One\away>1660kb/s ;)
06:54<One\away>56,929,734 1.13M/s ETA 00:00
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06:59<One\away>here we go... compile again..
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07:01<quitte>hi. cupsdoprint uses a huge font. where can I set that to somethin mor economical?
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07:09<Rosinchen1995>hi debian
07:10<Rosinchen1995>bist da??? are you here???
07:10<One\away>english, please
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07:20<One\away>debchi: hi..
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07:29<cwa>spricht hier jemand eventuell deutsch?
07:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:55<jeremiah>what does it mean when apt-get returns that something is "manually installed"
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07:56<jeremiah>it means that the package is not under the control of apt-get but was installed by hadn as it were
07:56<jm_>where do you see apt-get returning anything?
07:56<jeremiah>apt-get install dovecot <- That 'returns' a message
07:57<jm_>can you paste the message?
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07:57<jeremiah>dovecot-common is already the newest version.
07:57<jeremiah>dovecot-common set to manual installed.
07:57<jm_>which version of apt?
07:58<jeremiah>(I only pasted two lines since I do not want to flood the channel)
07:58<One\away>I guess the lastest
07:58<jm_>right, that one has similar features as aptitude I think
07:59<jm_>i.e. markauto
07:59<jeremiah>In any case, how do I set a package to not be 'manual'
07:59<jeremiah>so that I can remove it and configure it
07:59<jm_>why would you do that?
07:59<One\away>I think apt-get -f install
07:59<jeremiah>Umm, because I want to?
07:59<jm_>you don't even know what it means
07:59<jeremiah>Thanks One\away
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07:59<One\away>I do it that way
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08:02<jeremiah>One\away: That worked (at least dpkg sees dovecot now, but it won't let me reconfigure it: You already have ssl certs for dovecot.)
08:02<jeremiah>Of course I know that I have the certs, I just want it to speak IMAP on port 110, which it is not doing for some reason.
08:03<One\away>one of my friends was doing something like that
08:03<One\away>on his web-server
08:03<One\away>and had very troubles setting it up ;)
08:03<jeremiah>One\away: Well it appears he is not alone! :)
08:03<petemc>jeremiah: whats in the dovecot conf for protocols @?
08:04<One\away>jeremiah: when I go to work ill ask him
08:04<jeremiah>petemc: Good question. I will look in the dovecot.conf file
08:04<One\away>that would be in about 1 hour :>
08:04<jeremiah>petemc: Umm, heh. The answer is: protocols = none
08:04<jeremiah>This appears suboptimal
08:05<One\away>jeremiah: you want imap over ?
08:08<jeremiah>That would make my day.
08:08<One\away>over what?
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08:09<One\away>what my freind do is recompiling php5 with thon of options
08:10<jeremiah>Hmm, now it is saying: Error: Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/imap: No such file or directory
08:10<jeremiah>Time to read the docs again.
08:11<jeremiah>Duh. I have not installed dovecot-imapd
08:11<One\away>jeremiah: check your private msgs
08:12<seanius>jeremiah: isn't it just listen = *:110 in the appropriate section in dovecot.conf?
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08:12<plokko>hi all
08:13<plokko>hi lupine_85!
08:13<jeremiah>seanius: Maybe, but I updated dovecot and my conf file is basically blank since I accepted the update to the conf file
08:13<One\away>well, remove and install it again may help?
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08:14<jeremiah>One\away: Well that is what I just did so I am not sure that will work.
08:14<One\away>apt-get install dovecot* ?
08:14<seanius>what exactly is the problem
08:15<jeremiah>Dovecot says:: Error: Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/imap: No such file or directory
08:16<seanius>yeah that's from dovecot-imapd
08:16<jeremiah>But I installed dovecot-imapd and restarted dovecot so I think it is working. . .
08:16<jeremiah>I am going to try telnetting now
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08:17<One\away>dovecot-common - secure mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes
08:17<One\away>dovecot-imapd - secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes
08:17<One\away>jeremiah: did you check this ?
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08:18<jeremiah>One\away: What are you trying to say?
08:18<jeremiah>Yeah, I installed both.
08:19<One\away>so, what you're trying to do is mailserver ?
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08:19<One\away>is that correct (or I miss something)
08:20<jeremiah>NO, just use dovecot to serve IMAP, I am using exim4 as the MTA
08:21<jeremiah>What I have been doing, until a recent update, is using exim to get the mail, move it to mbox, then use dovecot to speak pop3 to the various clients behind the firewall.
08:22<jeremiah>Works well until things got borked by the idiotic configuration change by the exim maintainers.
08:23<jeremiah>Now exim has to be completely re-configured and there is no documentation as to how. Look at the debian wiki for example, no mention of the new configuration scheme.
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08:30<One\away>kernel instalation finished (brb)
08:31<plokko>what kernel have the best performance(for database=small files)??
08:31<plokko>reiserfs or xfs?
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08:33<lupine_85>database is one hueg file, normally
08:33<lupine_85>well, depending on the database
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08:34<lupine_85>personally, I'd be more concerned about stability than speed
08:34<Kano>hi Le_Vert : ntfs-3g 1.004 is out for over a week with 2 major fixes..
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08:35<Kano>would consider it mor than low to update it...
08:35<Le_Vert>yes I know
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08:36<plokko>...sry back now
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08:36<plokko>some benk for the fs?
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08:37<plokko>i have 8gb of ram(+64mb of buffer on the raid controller)so i think i need only some short reads
08:38<seanius>plokko: i don't trust any of the other filesystems enough to use them instead of ext3
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08:38<plokko>...ext3 is old
08:38<plokko>reiserfs is better
08:38<seanius>reiserfs is much faster, for example, but when things go bad with the filesystem, they go *really*, *reaaaaly* bad
08:38<plokko>journalized ^,^
08:38<seanius>uh, so is ext3
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08:39<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
08:39<seanius>ext3 is just ext2 with a journal tacked on
08:39<plokko>reiserfs should recover partition errors
08:39<plokko>also ecc ddr and ups don't let the server crash
08:39<seanius>plokko: clearly you haven't had to deal with reiserfs filesystem recovery
08:40<sep>plokko, reiserfs does this by inserting random garbage into your files until they magicaly match the orginal file
08:40<plokko>one time
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08:40<sep>plokko, ext3 unless you have spesific needs. and then the needs will dictate what fs to choose
08:40<plokko>i want tests
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08:41<seanius>the biggest problem with reiserfs is that the metadata is mixed in with the data in the on-disk format, so even a couple wrong bits could spell the end of the entire filesystem
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08:41<dpkg>somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive.
08:41<seanius>i've heard xfs has good performance, but also occasionally has stability issues
08:42<dpkg>it has been said that xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see or for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures.
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08:42<plokko>...xfs is like reiserfs
08:42<plokko>but it's better on large files
08:42<sep>seanius, only if you are careless with your ups powerdown system
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08:42<seanius>and at least the author of ext3 isn't rotting in a jail in the sf bay area
08:42<yos87>I have quesiton , How can I restore data from ext3 partition?
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08:42<sep>yos87, restore from backup
08:42<plokko>can anyone post some serious benks?
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08:42<seanius>plokko: use google
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08:43<seanius>yos87: how bad?
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08:43<seanius>i.e. what went wrong in the first place
08:43<plokko>can't find
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08:47<dli>there should be an fs which can do on-line fsck, so, self-error correcting
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08:49<plokko> this
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09:03<seanius>dli: and it would also be nice if there were rainbows every day
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09:04<dli>seanius, there are, rainbows are from light reflection from droplets in air, there are drops in air everyday, so are rainbows
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09:06<lupine_85>self-modifying code should never have bugs
09:07<themill>dli: you also need sun... in england there's plenty of droplets in the air but rarely rainbows... :(
09:09<dli>themill, you may have to watch it from another perspective, also, england is not the whole world
09:09<themill>dli: that much I know... :( I was just complaining about the weather. It's sort of tradition over here.
09:10<dli>lupine_85, biological evolution is a good example self-modifying, it's never bug free
09:10<sheldonh>does netfilter's connection tracking interoperate with LVS-NAT?
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09:19<seanius>dli: you're too much of an optomist
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09:27<NOVATO_GNU>help please
09:27<NOVATO_GNU>I have some problem with new version google earth
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09:27<lupine_85>eh, bad bot
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09:27<lupine_85>NOVATO_GNU: what sort of problem?
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09:28<NOVATO_GNU>While running google earth on Debian Etch my ZX Killed
09:29<NOVATO_GNU>New Version Google earth shutdown my X
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09:29<lupine_85>haha, cool. any sort of error message in the logs?
09:30<lupine_85>since it's google earth, though, you'll probably just have to get a backtrace and bug google about
09:30<NOVATO_GNU>my backtrace about lib
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09:31<lupine_85>it's a closed-source piece of software, so it's quite hard for someone here to fix it ;)
09:31<seanius>and let me guess, you're also using a closed source graphics driver for 3d :)
09:31<lupine_85>hahaha, who couldn't see that coming?
09:32<lupine_85>although there's an outside chance it's intel or old ati, I guess
09:32<dli>NOVATO_GNU, are you running stable etch or not?
09:32<NOVATO_GNU>my drive vesa!
09:32<NOVATO_GNU>no .. my Etch test :-)
09:33<dli>NOVATO_GNU, I think you couldn't run GE on vesa, not implemented
09:33<lupine_85>so.. you're running an OpenGL program with software rendered mesa, on the slowest video driver available to man?
09:33<lupine_85>and GLX won't run
09:33<NOVATO_GNU>my video adpt is i810 (intel)
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09:33<lupine_85>so use the i810 driver already
09:33<dli>NOVATO_GNU, I guess it won't crash X on stable, but it won't run on vesa anyway
09:34<lupine_85>nah, X can still crash in stable
09:34<lupine_85>especially when doing stupid things
09:35<lupine_85>"hey, let's dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/video0 !"
09:35<NOVATO_GNU>Why use dd ???
09:35<lupine_85>well, you know what I mean
09:35<lupine_85>NOVATO_GNU: I'm being sarcastic
09:35<lupine_85>(but not at anyone in particular)
09:36<seanius>hey, it's friday, it's allowed
09:38<lupine_85>wonder why they never sue debian?
09:38<lupine_85>i guess there's no money in it
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09:40<qbit>why don't they sue gnome
09:40<qbit>... effin effers
09:41<maxamillion>why would they sue gnome?
09:42<lupine_85>patent infringement
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09:42<qbit>desktop patent infringment
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09:42<lupine_85>namely, a "User Interface with Multiple Workspaces for Sharing Display System Objects"
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09:45<lupine_85>hands up who can claim prior art?
09:47<qbit>prior art?
09:47<qbit>what the
09:48<lupine_85>a user interface (real world), with multiple workspaces (desks), for sharing display system objects (eyes) ?
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09:49<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to use isolinux to create a config dvd for my debian etch. What, initrd.gz and vmlinuz files should I use?
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09:58<stew>the first window manager I used with multiple workspaces was ctwm
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09:58<stew>trying to figure out when that was released
09:59<stew>Copyright 1992 Claude Lecommandeur
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10:01<stew>hmm, that is right around the time i started using it
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10:12<vin`>stew: (tvtwm 1990)
10:12<stew>vin`: yeah but that was one big desktop
10:13<vin`>ah, ok
10:13<stew>it was the kind where you had a small window of a larger workspace where the wondow would move over the workspace when you moused off one side
10:13<stew>(i was using tvtwm before ctwm)
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10:19<padski>I just tried to install Viki. Viki comes as a Vimball. I get lots of Cannot create directory: /var/lib/vim/addons/autoload
10:19<ashley>Im trying to setup a "Belkin F5D7050 v1000" on debian, it appears when i run ifconfig, however when I ask it to scan for networks it shows no networks.
10:19<hays>I have a Debian server with several virtual interfaces on one physical card, is there a way to set which interface/IP address is used for default outgoing traffic?
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10:22<padski>hays: if I add an alias eth0:0 to eth0, I wuold expect the ip on eth0 to be the default (but this is just off the top of my head)
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10:22<hays>padski: the behavior I have seen (and read about) is to use the last one (eth0:6 in my case)
10:22<hays>padski: not quite sure why though :)
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10:24<ashley>Any ideas?
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10:32<padski>hays: a simple test here with etch acts as I expected.
10:33<hays>padski: intersting, not sure what my problem is then...
10:34<padski>hays: even reply traffic in a connection made to the ip on eth0:0 is originating from eth0
10:35<hays>padski: thanks for testing that for me, guess I'll have to do some more digging
10:35<padski>hays: you are welcome. i used tcpdump. it was easy :-)
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10:36<hays>padski: would you mind pasting the contents of your interfaces file in a pm?
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10:37<padski>hays: sorry, I just did ifconfig eth0:0 on the command line
10:37<hays>padski: ok, thanks
10:38<padski>hays: IIRC it's just the same syntax for eth0:0 as if it were eth1 (but I could be mistaken)
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10:41<stew> /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples
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10:47<JasonS>pardon fenix ?
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10:52<hays>padski and stew: thanks, got it fixed now, had a gateway listing for each virtual interface, removed that and it works as expected
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10:54<padski>hays: interesting. when I add a gateway by hand with "route add default gw dev eth0:0", route -n lists two apparently identical routes (both eth0)
10:56<padski>hays: but otherwise things seem the same (as I would expect)
10:56<hays>padski: yeah, a bit strange, but it works as expected now, which is the important part I guess
10:57<padski>hays: yeah I'm glad you are getting a result. were you getting the 'latest alias is default' behaviour you described above before ?
10:58<hays>padski: thats what was happening before, eth0:6 was the default outgoing, now it is eth0
10:58<hays>padski: it was a problem, because I didn't have reverse dns set up yet on the last couple interfaces, because I am not useing them yet
10:58<padski>hays: ok. interesting, thanks :-)
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11:17<meandtheshell>hi folks - does anybody know of debian repositories (unofficial) for ?
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11:18<meandtheshell>I am going to build something akin to ... however .debs would be neat :)
11:18<meandtheshell>otherwise /me goes builds them from scratch ...
11:20<qbit>whoa.. wouldn't it be more efficient to just run a mta / iptables / whateverserveiceyouneed on a regular host..
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11:20<qbit>seems like running multiple os's would cause lots of un-needed overhead
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11:23<meandtheshell>qbit: regular host are virtual setup nowadays :)
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11:23<meandtheshell>oh my god ... what happened to my "s" key ;-]
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11:24<qbit>it's tied to another one of your vm's :P
11:24<fxiny>any idiot claiming some "s" key patent ?
11:24<meandtheshell>lol - probably ... or maybe Emacs ate it ...
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11:25<fxiny> cops are on my track : i have some multi desktop *illegal* thing around :)))
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11:26<meandtheshell>yep - we're are all xerox assets from yesterday on :)
11:26<fxiny>read the news
11:27<qbit>make some sense
11:27<qbit>you talking about the ms desktop case that we where talking about earlier?
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11:27<fxiny>i wasn't here
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11:29<fxiny>i was checking bitlbee , pretty nice but i think i'll install xinetd to run it
11:30<fxiny>i have already saved an irssi layout to make room for bitlbee
11:30<qbit>meandtheshell, what kinda performance would you get with all these services in a virtual host vs. actually running the services
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11:31<fxiny>virtual ? bitlbee will love it
11:31<fxiny>who cares about inet.d/not-binding-to-iface for example
11:31<bcochofel>Hi, how can I create a DVD with all me etch installation? Something that I can install (with all the packages and configuration) again, and again
11:32<qbit>bcochofel: debootstrap maybe?
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11:32<fxiny>checked debia-admin ?
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11:33<Axl>how to stop dhcp3-client from fetching name server information
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11:33<stew>Axl: edid /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (man dhclient.conf)
11:34<Axl>i did
11:34<Axl>i removed domain-name-servers from required in the file
11:34<Axl>it still fetches the name server
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11:34<Axl>i mean request*
11:34<Axl>request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
11:34<Axl> domain-name, host-name, interface-mtu;
11:36<stew>Axl: you need to supercede them, afaik
11:36<Axl>with what?
11:36<bcochofel>qbit: I was trying to look at isolinux but I don't know how to put the system there
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11:38<meandtheshell>qbit: pretty much native perfomance since we're talking Xen here
11:38<meandtheshell>it's not emulation ...
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11:46<qbit>virtualization still seems like overkill for this application..
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11:47<jeiff>Debian can work on a SUN Ultra 45??
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11:47<meandtheshell>qbit: I told you what I am going to do?
11:47[~]meandtheshell must be confused then
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11:48<fxiny>pass the confusion pill to me
11:48<alaya>jeiff: i had it on an ultra5 once
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11:49<meandtheshell>fxiny: hold still - /me fires the slingshot with pill loaded (blue one of course)
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11:49<qbit>well, i know that you are going to "build something akin to efw"
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11:49<jeiff>alaya: ok mmm i am search a version of Linux that works with my Sun
11:50<alaya>jeiff: is it sparc cpu?
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11:50<meandtheshell>qbit: nope - I am going to use efw with virtual hosts (xen)
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11:50<fxiny>meandtheshell: i hold on tight (shod) !
11:50<jeiff>ho yes, UltraSPARC IIIi
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11:50<alaya>jeiff: then check any distro's sparc port, including debian's
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11:51<Eulex>jeiff, if it's a sparc64 then it should run. if it's a sparc32 you might need to run sarge.
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11:51<alaya>jeiff: either sparc or sparc64.....
11:52<Eulex>jeiff, oh, that one should be sparc64
11:52<PBD>hello, can I ask here something about gnupg?
11:52<meandtheshell>you can put there is a dedicated channel ...
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11:53<alaya>sparc64 is an add-on to sparc
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11:55<PBD>I cannot send the public key to a server...
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11:58<meandtheshell>we can not help without more information ... you have the error message around?
11:59<PBD>ok, when I send the key its says....there is no plugin availabel for the keyserver protocal you specified
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12:05<meandtheshell>- how did you install gnupg?
12:05<meandtheshell>- what have you installed?
12:05<meandtheshell>- what command did you issue when trying to send your key to some keyserver?
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12:06<meandtheshell>I am not familiar with your error message above ... never seen it before
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12:07<meandtheshell>there should be no problem if you install gnupg the proper way plus if you issue commands as can be seen in the man page example section (at the bottom of the man page)
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12:08<cahoot>4win=for windows?
12:08<meandtheshell>lol - you nutter
12:08<cahoot>they 'refined' it?
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12:09<meandtheshell>PBD: sorry dude - you're at the wrong place here ... for example last time I touched some windows box was 10+ years ago
12:09<meandtheshell>this is mighty DebianGNU/Linux here ...
12:10<cahoot>probalby patented gpg too by now
12:10<fxiny>yes ! whre the swirls whips !
12:10<fxiny>the place*
12:11<meandtheshell>PBD: try the gnupg channel - there may be folks around who use GNUPG on Windows
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12:12<PBD>already in gnupg channel, just a guy in it but no reply
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12:13<meandtheshell>that's funny - /me just entered too but there are 16 folks :)
12:13<meandtheshell>clearly, one of us is with the white rabbit
12:14<meandtheshell>PBD: try #gnupg@irc.freenode.nte
12:14<meandtheshell>sorry ... tld is .net
12:14<JasonS>or look on the gpg4win forum, help topics etc.
12:15<fxiny>a black female cat own me : no white rabbit allowed in here except for a song cahoot should remember (jefferson airplane ? )
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12:16<fxiny>cahoot: yes : a bit earlier then aqualung :)
12:16<PBD>meandtheshell: thanks!
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12:17<meandtheshell>PBD: no problem - you are welcome - however, if I where you, I would give DebianGNU/Linux a try ...
12:17<PBD>already using it
12:17<JasonS>curious though why you asked here PBD about gpg4win :)
12:17<meandtheshell>ah cool - I see - so why are you bother yourself with windows?
12:18<PBD>friends use windows
12:18<meandtheshell>let me guess - you're forced to use it at work?
12:18<fxiny>a transition phase ?
12:18<JasonS>meandtheshell: beat me to it
12:18<PBD>also yes
12:18<fxiny>i bet you already installed emacs on win
12:18<meandtheshell>PBD: wrong job then :)
12:19<JasonS>meandtheshell: heh, cant always choose what you do or get to use
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12:19<PBD>tell me where they only work with linux?
12:19<meandtheshell>JasonS: I believe otherwise
12:20<meandtheshell>PBD: it's not about one or the other - it's about having a choice in live
12:20<JasonS>meandtheshell: im betting you're fairly young?
12:20<fxiny>he said "last ... 10 years ago" ...
12:21<mzilikazi>how to use m-a to build nvidia against a kernel you are not booted to? got the source tree
12:21<mzilikazi>his did not work
12:21<mzilikazi>m-a nvidia -k /home/glenn/Storage/KERNEL/linux-2.6.23-rt1 -l linux-2.6.23-rt1_mz1
12:22<Eulex>define 'didn't work'
12:22<fxiny>sco ?
12:22<mzilikazi>it brings up the m-a interactive mode
12:22<Eulex>I think you're missing the actual command telling m-a what to do
12:22<Eulex>like a-i
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12:23<Eulex>mzilikazi, also, study the command line option order in man m-a
12:25<meandtheshell>JasonS: let me put it this way - it had been already possible to use what ever OS you prefer as FOSS took off around mid 80's - it's a lot easier nowadays - I do not think it has anything to do with persons age ... It's about a persons mindset and such
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12:27[~]meandtheshell makes a lot of typos - the culprit is his tomcat - walking around on the desk, demanding food NOW! ;-]
12:27<fxiny>i wish i could go back and walk my path again
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12:27<fxiny>i don't like today way
12:28<meandtheshell>what's wrong nowadays?
12:28<meandtheshell>fxiny: you know emacs?
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12:28[~]meandtheshell so much in luuuuuuuv
12:28<fxiny>meandtheshell: muse-publish-this-file : yes.txt
12:29<meandtheshell>fucking awesome - you're using muse as well ... wow!
12:29<meandtheshell>cool - I am currently building my whole website with it
12:29<fxiny>and planner
12:29<meandtheshell>planner here too :)
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12:29<meandtheshell>and org-mode
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12:33<meandtheshell>fxiny: check out the ansi-term buffer ;)
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12:34<fxiny>meandtheshell: i wathched 2001-space-odyssey-hal the other day : in cahoot word is a 68 movie . bash is my hal
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12:35<fxiny>meandtheshell: xen ! that's what i want . saved your png :)
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12:38<meandtheshell>fxiny: I use occur to print out all headlines so I can quick navigate - any better idea? you know what I am talking about?
12:38<meandtheshell>if not I do another screenshot ...
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12:39<meandtheshell>you see how I use occur here
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12:41<fxiny>meandtheshell: occur ? i stat with an index then links [[aaa][bbb]] . i go with synstax markup : bullet ,enumerated items
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12:42<mzilikazi>figured it out in case anyone is interested
12:42<mzilikazi> m-a -k linux-2.6.23-rt1 -l 2.6.23-rt1 a-b nvidia
12:42<mzilikazi>but had to do it as root not w/ fakeroot
12:42<meandtheshell>fxiny: sure - I meant during editing - as you can see I have font-locking enabled too
12:43<meandtheshell>which is what you're talking about - no?
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12:44<meandtheshell>occur-mode is cool the have the headlines in another buffer/window so you can quickly move around in the buffer where you're editing your muse source file ... that's what I am talking about
12:45<fxiny>meandtheshell: i see now
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12:47<fxiny>meandtheshell: going back to planner /usr/share/doc/*planner*/COMMENTARY.gz is one of the best ever readme alike file i ever seen . it really works
12:48<meandtheshell>it not just works - it changes peoples life :)
12:49<meandtheshell>fxiny: do you publish your planner files to say HTML?
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12:49<meandtheshell>I do
12:49<meandtheshell>well, XHTML rather
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12:50<fxiny>meandtheshell: html . i have three different projects sets in ~/.emacs so i can load any notes or whatever in iceweasel quickly
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12:50<meandtheshell>I see
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12:52<fxiny>meandtheshell: i don't click around on html files . i've bookmarked all index , iceweasel always running , enmacs too so who cases about icons ? flux rox :)
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12:53<fxiny>if i have to click i open the speedbar :)
12:53<meandtheshell>hm ... not sure I understand that last sentence
12:53<qbit>allo freak134
12:54<freak134>kann hier jemand deutsch
12:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:55<streuner>freak134: ask in english
12:55<spanther>freak134, me :D
12:56<freak134>habjetzt aber kein bockk auf englisch
12:56<spanther>"he asked if somebody can speak german" :)
12:56<streuner>Dann troll dich
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12:56<freak134>wenn ihr deutsch könnt dann redet auch deutsch
12:57<stew>freak134: english only in here, if you want to speak german /j
12:57<spanther>freak134, hier ist ein ENGLISCHER support channel wenn du DEUTSCH reden willst geh nach
12:57<streuner>freak134: we prefer english here, respect that
12:57<freak134>wenn du was von mir willst red deutsch
12:57<spanther>oops sorry streuner :(
12:57<spanther>oh my god a troll....
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12:58<spanther>he just search for an reason to argue :/
12:58<fxiny>meandtheshell: all is published automagically in public_html . i can search any word i want with swish-e plus a cgi and apache :
12:58<freak134>streuner ich hab kein bock den channel zu wechseln
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12:59<meandtheshell>fxiny: I see
12:59<spanther>woah iget cold hands when i think about jurassic park X.x
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13:00<spanther>streuner may you help me with a search? :)
13:00<nostalgia>hi folks i am not able to share my internet can anybody tell me how to go about it i have a debian linux at one machine connected to the internet and other netwrok card connected directly to my other machine with a cross cable ..i am able to ping the internet lan card but not able to surf internet
13:00<streuner>!tell spanther about ask
13:00<silent_>any tips on customizing my applications/places/desktop menus in gnome? never really tried it, as they're organized so well, but something i installed wasn't added :/
13:01<spanther>okay...then without the nice form :P help me with finding a netinst CD for testing
13:01<streuner>spanther: /list #debian-boot
13:01<stew>spanther: has a beta instller, or install stable and switch to testing
13:01<fxiny>meandtheshell: this way i don't need any file manager to load my notes
13:02<spanther>stew, so no directly testing netinst CD ?
13:02<stew>spanther: has a beta instller
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13:02<spanther>i did a switch from stable to testing before and my OS was cracked :(
13:02<stew>spanther: howso?
13:03<spanther>uh i updated after changing sources.list and then my X server didnt want to start curious thing was that when i changed to "vesa" it still did not work so i think its damaged and i cant fix that by my own cause i am not a professional
13:04<chealer>nostalgia: the Debian box has two Ethernet cards?
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13:05<stew>spanther: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should fix it
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13:05<spanther>cool :D wait i'll try that thank you hehe
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13:07<nostalgia>chealer yes it has two ethernet cards one configured to surf for internet with a DHCP and the other to the other machine connected to a windows machine within the same network eg the other ethernet card on ethe debian has apvt ip for eg and the other machine connected to it has the ip
13:08<nostalgia>and the ehternet card connected to the dsl modem acquires the IP address through a DHCP server from the ISP
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13:08<spanther>stew, nope didn't work :(
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13:09<chealer>nostalgia: which address does it acquire via DHCP?
13:09<nostalgia>well some thing like
13:09<stew>spanther: what error do you get when you run startx?
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13:10<spanther>stew, i watched detailed error msg and i think its something with being unable to load nvidia module i've installed it before but then i upgraded and so my kernel was upgrading to the newer testing one too :)
13:10<spanther>i'll try that with the nvidia one-liner first hehe
13:11<chealer>nostalgia: and you can ping from the Windows machine?
13:11<chealer>nostalgia: don't send private messages without asking for permission first.
13:12<nostalgia>chealer :well yes i i am able to but not to the dns address
13:12<nostalgia>chealer :well sorry
13:12<chealer>nostalgia: strange. did you set up a bridge?
13:13<nostalgia>chealer i havent setup a bridge how do you do that
13:13<chealer>nostalgia: I don't know; I know that it involve bridge-utils.
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13:14<nostalgia>chealer: okay will try something on it thanks anyways dude and sorry for sending a pvt message
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13:51<debchi>hi everybody
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13:56<padski>how do I persuade KDE to stop using ctrl-TAB
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13:58<chealer>padski: ask #debian-kde
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14:10<yujin>what the meaning of "u" in " if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ] " of file etc/profile,please?
14:10<alaya>yujin: man id
14:11<aptituz>.oO( where is the problem to call man or --help )
14:12<yujin>alaya,thanks,i get it now. i used to think that '-' is sub.
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14:13<padski>subtract rather than subroutine
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14:14<alaya>- precedes the switch or option
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14:15<padski>it is a syntactical device rather than an operator in its own right
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14:18<padski>although, come to think of it, most progs will stderr "invalid option" for one they don't know. I think I've seen code that didn't check for that.
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14:29<padski>how do I look up the name of an idea ? ;-)
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14:34<dkr>search wikipedia, :)
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14:35<padski>dkr: as it goes I have taken to searching it is a software idea.
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14:36<cahoot>check with ms first
14:36<alaya>check with USPTO
14:36<alaya>then, any number of Texas-based IP firms
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14:38<padski>"a program should be small enough that a person can understand it and modify it reasonably easily" thoughts along those lines
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14:43<alaya>that solicited alot of response
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14:45<alaya>i'd just be happy with "a program should do what i want and not crash, ever"
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14:46<alaya>bonus points if it just *knows* what i want without me having to tell it
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14:50<padski>alaya: The hazard with making the common use-case easy and accessible seems to be making the unusual impossible. I would rather have a tool that takes a little more to learn or even use, than get so far and then get stuck. my acme tool is a programming language.
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14:55<alaya>padski, i guess it depends in each instance upon what you are trying to do since the potential benefit or drawback of one method vs. another could vary greatly based on even small factors
14:56<alaya>padski: suddently, what is a great idea/method for one type of app suddenly becomes a huge obstacle for another one
14:57<padski>alaya: yes. my acme for operations is the button press. and I want as few buttons, and to press them as infrequently as possible. more automation, less mistakes.
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14:58<yujin>which file can be modified to change the color behavier of ls for root?
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14:59<alaya>yujin: there are options in ~/.bashrc
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15:00<padski>wasn't there a DIR_COLLORS file ?
15:00<padski>sorry one L
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15:01<padski>yujin: try man 5 dir_colors
15:02<silent[ca]>hey, when I install wine xwine is removed, and when I isntall xwine wine is removed. How can I remedy this?
15:03<yujin>alaya,what does~ stand for,is it the home of current user,please?
15:04<chealer>silent[ca]: which Debian suite do you use?
15:04<padski>yujin: yes ~ is expanded to your home dir (I think by the shell)
15:05<silent[ca]>chealer, I'm running etch if that's what a suite is
15:06<silent[ca]>deblappy:/# xwine
15:06<silent[ca]>error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it...
15:06<silent[ca]>it mocks me
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15:09<chealer>silent[ca]: please show the output when trying to install either.
15:09<silent[ca]>chealer, sure
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15:10<yujin>padski, alaya,thank you
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15:13<chealer>silent[ca]: try figuring out why APT is installing unofficial packages.
15:13<silent[ca]>chealer, I'm using the wine repository
15:13<silent[ca]>chealer, how can I get wine through debian repos?
15:14<chealer>silent[ca]: just install wine
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15:14<silent[ca]>chealer, I'll get rid of the wine repo and see if I have wine available
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15:15<chealer>silent[ca]: which architecture do you use?
15:15<chealer>silent[ca]: i386 or amd64?
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15:23<silent[ca]>chealer, I got it working... they changed this a lot since I last used it
15:24<silent[ca]>this is amazing
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15:28<yujin>"make menuconfig" shows an error of "unable to find ncurses libraries",but i have installed ncurese-bin,ncurese-base and ncurses-term in synaptic.
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15:30<angasule>yujin: you need ncurses-dev
15:30<dli>yujin, apt-get install libncurses5-dev
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15:31<dli>!tell yujin about menuconfig
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15:32<silent[ca]>chealer, apparently I'm running an old version of linux
15:32<yujin>angasule,dli,thank you
15:33<silent[ca]>according to this debugger
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15:36<mildner>anybody here
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15:40<mildner>I am looking for palm syncsoft and I am using lenny 64bit
15:41<mildner>anybody knows what is best
15:41<bahamat>so, how can I change my limits? ulimit tells me I can't, /etc/security/limits.conf has no effect, sysctl is "total" and already much higher than I'm trying to set
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15:41<sun>hi is there a way to boot to an iso which i dl'd without having to burn a cd?
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15:42<bahamat>sun: no
15:42<sun>thanks bahamat
15:42<chealer>sun: yes
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15:42<sun>chealer: how to do it?
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15:43<chealer>sun: did you check the installation guide?
15:44<sun>chealer: actually though im running debian, this isnt a debian iso
15:44<bahamat>chealer: yes, how do you boot to an iso without burning it to a disc?
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15:45<chealer>sun: what is it?
15:45<jlsander>i dont know
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15:46<sun>chealer: its a bootable arch iso.
15:46<jlsander>i take it its a chat room
15:46<jlsander>and that is
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15:47<vampirefrog>hi. I installed lilo manually over grub, and uninstalled grub (all via apt-get). My guess this error is because of that. what should I do to avoid the error?
15:47<vampirefrog> again :D
15:47<chealer>sun [/bahamat]: I don't know what you mean by "boot to an iso", but you can use an iso on a USB stick to install Debian
15:48<Nemoder>vampirefrog: edit your /etc/kernel-img.conf
15:48<sun>chealer: that would be great, is that on the install guide you mentioned how to do it?
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15:48<vampirefrog>Nemoder, ok, I'll try.
15:48<chealer>sun: yes
15:48<vampirefrog>Nemoder, I replace update-grub with update-lilo?
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15:49<Nemoder>vampirefrog: just lilo I think, or comment it out and run lilo manually after you install
15:49<yujin>how to make the change in /etc/profile effect immedietly,please?
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15:52<sun>chealer: thanks.
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15:54<vampirefrog>Nemoder, if i put just 'lilo' there, lilo fails and displays command line options. i used update-lilo, and some dialogs appeared and I said yes to all and it worked fine. :) I'm afraid to comment it out, because I might forget to run lilo after a dist-upgrade. thanks
15:54<Nemoder>ah ok, cool
15:54<vampirefrog>now I have another question.
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15:55<vampirefrog>on this computer, I have a 5.1 speaker set and a sound board (i think it's onboard) that works fine in windows, but in linux when I configure alsa (via .asoundrc), the sound is choppy
15:55<Nemoder>how are you testing it?
15:55<vampirefrog>it's hard to describe what happens, the music can be heard, but the quality is poor
15:55<vampirefrog>just playing xmms
15:55<Nemoder>is xmms using alsa output?
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15:57<Nemoder>it may be a poor driver.. you might try messing with the volume levels, I find having PCM all the way up and Master lower sounds better
15:57<vampirefrog>i think I tried that and it worked poorly as well. what about installing a new kernel
15:57<vampirefrog>right now I'm on 2.6.21 i think
15:58<vampirefrog>and i noticed dist-upgrade installed a 2.6.22 kernel
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15:58<vampirefrog>but I might also manually install the latest
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15:58<vampirefrog>might it help?
15:58<Nemoder>doesn't hurt to try, you might check the changelog and see if they mention your audio chipset anywhere
15:58<vampirefrog>ok I'll do that right now
15:58<angasule>vampirefrog, Nemoder: generally, you don't want any volume set to 100%, it causes distortion
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15:59<Nemoder>angasule: it sounds much worse for me if I don't
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15:59<vampirefrog>angasule, note that it's not 'distortion', but rather periodic click-like choppyness...
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16:00<vampirefrog>it's hard for me to describe it :)
16:00<angasule>vampirefrog: yes, that happens when you have it set to 100%
16:00<vampirefrog>I'll try 50% for everything
16:01<angasule>vampirefrog: I use 90% for everything, 50% is usually annoyingly low :)
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16:01<vampirefrog>just to be safe :)
16:01<Nemoder>I just wish I could get rid of this alsa-oss emu bug that plays garbage any time an app that uses oss plays a sample
16:01<Nemoder>it starts to play the sample fine but adds garbage at the end, must be some kind of buffer problem
16:02<ladoga>angasule from TW?
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16:03<angasule>ladoga: excuse me?
16:03<angasule>ladoga: targetware?
16:03<ladoga>nevermind, i mistook you for someone else using the same nick elsewhere
16:03<vampirefrog>taiwan? :)
16:04<ladoga>oh..yes, targetware
16:04<angasule>ladoga: I was on targetware, yes, my nick is unique :)
16:04<ladoga>it's illo
16:04<angasule>vampirefrog: I thought so too, that's why I was confused
16:04<angasule>hey! how are you doing? :)
16:04<vampirefrog>now actually I have another problem, the sound won't work at all. i ran alsaconf too :|
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16:05<vampirefrog>i tried xmms with the alsa output driver
16:05<Nemoder>errors or just no audio?
16:05<angasule>vampirefrog: did you run alsamixer and check the volumes and that nothing is muted?
16:05<vampirefrog>angasule, yes. the apps complain that there is no device
16:06<vampirefrog>errors and no audio :)
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16:06<Nemoder>check dmesg, and maybe try /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
16:06<avoine>Someone know where are the Debian's seeds that are use with germinate for building the daily CD?
16:07<yujin>how to make the changes in /etc/profile take effect immediatly,please?
16:07<vampirefrog>yujin, try executing it with '. /etc/profile'
16:07<vampirefrog>that's a dot
16:08<makke>or "source /etc/profile" its the same
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16:10<vampirefrog>i did try a force-reload. it seems to work fine. no dmesg errors either
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16:12<yujin>vampirefrog, thank you
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16:13<vampirefrog>ah and I need to mention that it still doesn't work
16:13<vampirefrog>yujin, np
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16:15<Nemoder>vampirefrog: perhaps it's time to try the new kernel, plus the reboot might fix it anyway :)
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16:15<vampirefrog>no, it was like that since I booted...
16:16<vampirefrog>okay. are new kernels added to lilo.conf automatically?
16:16<vampirefrog>by 'new kernels' i mean those through apt-get
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16:16<Onepamopa>by new kernels he means - NEW
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16:16<vampirefrog>it's not added
16:17<vampirefrog>it takes a while to configure that one
16:17<Onepamopa>there are the new - NEW kernels
16:17<vampirefrog>and the sound worked before
16:17<Nemoder>well if he's using .21 and .22 is in the repo then that would be something to try first
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16:17<Onepamopa>vampirefrog, apt-get install alsa* ?
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16:18<vampirefrog>i think the alsa stuff is already installed
16:18<vampirefrog>and I also think the alsa drivers are in the kernel, not alsa*packages
16:18<vampirefrog>ran taht
16:18<Onepamopa>search for your soundcard
16:18<vampirefrog>also did a force-reload
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16:19<vampirefrog>same thing
16:19<vampirefrog>it was like that since I booted
16:19<Onepamopa>alsamixer ?
16:19<Nemoder>is the device showing up in lspci ?
16:19<Onepamopa>turn volume up a bit
16:19<vampirefrog>yes, set everything to 52%
16:19<vampirefrog>it's not about volume, the apps say there is no device
16:19<Onepamopa>well, I dont know
16:20<Onepamopa>if it worked before, it should work now
16:20<vampirefrog>00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
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16:20<alaya>does it list with aplay -l ?
16:20<vampirefrog>let me just try the .22 kernel
16:20<Nemoder>and the driver for it shows up in lsmod?
16:20<vampirefrog>i just discovered that it works as root, but not as normal user
16:21<Nemoder>addgroup youruser audio
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16:21<Nemoder>then logout/back in
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16:22<vampirefrog>that's weird. why do I have to do that? :|
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16:23<alaya>because the group for /dev/snd/pcm* is audio
16:24<Nemoder>vampirefrog: well if you were running a server with multiple user accounts, you might not want them to be able to access the sound device where they could turn on your mic and listen in :)
16:24<vampirefrog>yeah, that makes sens
16:24<vampirefrog>ok. the music works now. but only in 2 speakers
16:24<Nemoder>you don't by chance have esd or arts or some other sound server running?
16:25<alaya>would you have a mic in a server???
16:25<vampirefrog>alaya, no, but you can simply have a home computer with ssh
16:25<Nemoder>alaya: maybe if it was built-in to the hardware
16:25<Nemoder>or that
16:25<vampirefrog>i have a monitor with a mic on top :D
16:25<alaya>a built-in mic? hmm, only ones i know are on laptops
16:26<vampirefrog>ok. now I want to hear 5.1 instead of 2
16:26<Nemoder>but ya it could just be a workstation that you've decided to turn into a cheap server
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16:26<vampirefrog>there are two user accounts on this machine. for the other, i used .asoundrc to make the audio work in 5.1 but the sound was, as I said, choppy
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16:27<alaya>Nemoder: in that case i usually restrict the hell out of the user account with something like rbash
16:28<Nemoder>well ya, but the point was "why is audio a security issue" and that's the best I could come up with :)
16:29<vampirefrog>you guys are simply competing in nihilism
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16:35<Flimzy>What determines the maximum number of iptables rules that can exist on a system?
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16:47<Supaplex>Flimzy: I had some 50K rules once.
16:48<lucas_amorim>Hello, I'am trying to run Gramps which I just installed via apt-get. But if i start it via the menu nothing happens, and when I try starting it by typing gramps in the shell it says "Segmentation Fault"
16:48<lucas_amorim>how do I solve this problem?
16:48<lucas_amorim>I am using debian lenny
16:48<Supaplex>lucas_amorim: what's bts say?
16:48<lucas_amorim>how do I run it through bts?
16:49<Supaplex>lucas_amorim: you don't. you check bts and see if someone else made a bug report.
16:49<Supaplex>!tell lucas_amorim -about bts
16:49<Supaplex>!tell lucas_amorim -about reportbug
16:49<Supaplex>lucas_amorim: and if you belive it's not related to your profile, report a bug on it.
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16:50<lucas_amorim>Ok, thank you...
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16:50<chuy_max>does /etc/modules.conf exist in debian etch?
16:50<chuy_max>I have to load a module before the load of usbhid and hid, if it is not modules.conf who loads modules, who loads them then?
16:50<Flimzy>Supaplex: Interesting.
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16:52<yujin>does it mean that if a path of some command is set in /etc/profile for root, then the root can excute the command in any directory?
16:52<Supaplex>Flimzy: there were lots of things going on in that poor box. :) I imported and dropped all inbound and outbound bogons. the machine also had some */20 ip addresses assigned to it.
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17:19<Larks> If I run xosview, it shows no swap active. If I don't think my swap is working, how can I test it?
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17:20<amphi>Larks: cat /proc/swaps
17:20<bolivarian>just look use top to see if its there and working
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17:21<Larks>bendian2:~# cat /proc/swaps
17:21<Larks>Filename Type Size Used Priority
17:21<Larks>/dev/sde2 partition 7815612 0 -1
17:21<Larks>top says Swap: 7815612k total, 0k used, 7815612k free, 90396k cached
17:21<Larks>it is always 0k used.
17:22<Larks>that is what I am worried about.
17:22<Larks>is there something I can do to try to force it to swap?
17:22<Larks>and watch the output.
17:23<Larks>I have alot of memory, so could that be the issue? I am just not requiring enough for it to have to swap?
17:23<lupine_85>why are you worried about not using your swap?
17:23<lupine_85>and since when was having a lot of memory an issue? :)
17:23<Larks>lupine_85: The system has a bit of slowdown, trying to debug.
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17:24<lupine_85>It's easy to tell if the swap isn't working, because if it isn't, when you run out of RAM, the kernel will start randomly killing processes to make space
17:24<lupine_85>swap not being used is almost certainly not going to cause your system to slow down :)
17:25<Larks>lupine_85: ok, thanks. That so far is the only thing I have noticed that is odd.
17:25<lupine_85>something's probably munching all your cycles - check top to see which processes are being naughty
17:25<lupine_85>if you absolutely have to check your swap for whatever reason, just make a massive hueg image in gimp
17:26<Larks>lupine_85: headless server atm ;) thought of that already
17:26<lupine_85>DISPLAY=remote-host:whatever gimp :) :)
17:27<lupine_85>Larks: or apt-cache show stress
17:27<lupine_85>"'stress' is a tool that imposes a configurable amount of CPU, memory, I/O, or disk stress on a POSIX-compliant operating system"
17:28<Larks>yah, I have tried to use it before.
17:28<Larks>what is a good command for memory hog?
17:29<bolivarian>is the kernel the correct one for the cpu
17:30<Larks>bolivarian: intel core duo q6600 running 2.6.18-amd64
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17:30<Larks>I actually also configured it for emt64, thats the only change from the stock amd64 kernel
17:31<themill>Larks: core duo is not emt64
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17:31<themill>ignore me
17:31<lupine_85>'tis amd64
17:31[~]themill goes and sits in the corner
17:32<dpkg>well, em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums
17:34<Larks>its core 2 quad, sorry.
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17:35<Larks>it is the q6600
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17:38<chealer>lupine_85: slowdown is one of the effects of lack of swap
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17:38<lupine_85>oh? what's the mechanism?
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17:39<Larks>thats the processor
17:39<lupine_85>if the system doesn't have any swap, everything is in main RAM. if it runs out of ram, something is killed to make room - I don't see how that could lead to generic slowdowns
17:40<chealer>Larks: the processor doesn't matter
17:40<lupine_85>besides which, he's got ?8GB? of swap registered
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17:42<chealer>lupine_85: if you don't have swap, all application memory needs to stay in RAM, which prevents using part of the RAM for buffers/cache.
17:43<lupine_85>that's a good point, now you mention it
17:43<Larks>it is not that my swap isnt registered, it just seems as if it is not being used... brb
17:44<lupine_85>Larks: cat /proc/meminfo will tell you how much ram you have free, how much of it is being used as buffers/cache, etc
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17:48<myki>Hi. I wanted to upgrade by xserver-xorg (needed by nvidia-glx) to 1.4x. On I've read that I needed to upgrade to sid. I've added deb .. sid main to menu.lst and I'm still stuck with 1.3.. version of xserver-xorg-core
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17:51<myki>any advices on that?
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17:53<_deepfire>What package to I assign a bugreport to, when I have GCC emitting all-zeroes and the source files reside on either cifs or nfs?
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17:53<_deepfire>linux-image-... or gcc, or, somehow, both?
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17:54<SysFiller>good evening
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17:54<_deepfire>(or binutils?)
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17:54<SysFiller>anyone could help me makeing work my wireless w500 card?
17:54<SysFiller>i'm using hp nc6000
17:55<_deepfire>SysFiller, does the latest kernel from support your wireless chipset?
17:55<chealer>SysFiller: hard to say without knowing what help you need.
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17:56<SysFiller>mmm sorry im newbie
17:56<SysFiller>and typeing
17:56<SysFiller>all is set to
17:56<crn>myki, i think you have to upgrade your distro to sid
17:56<SysFiller>no wireless extension
17:56<chealer>crn: it left
17:57<crn>chealer, thanks
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18:03<ruffidle>having trouble unmounting usb flash drive. get error msg: "can't open /media/.hal-mtab". this file doesn't exist, so i'm trying to figure out what program does the automounting. does anyone have any ideas on this?
18:03<Supaplex>which are you using? eject, or umount?
18:03<chealer>ruffidle: how do you unmount?
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18:04<Larks>lupine_85: /proc/info stillhas no memory swapped.
18:04<ruffidle>i right click on the desktop icon in gnome
18:04<lupine_85>Larks: how much ram is Free?
18:04<ruffidle>then select unmount
18:05<lupine_85>MemTotal, MemFree, Buffers and Cached are the interesting numbers
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18:05<lupine_85>(along with VMalloc*)
18:05<Larks>MemTotal: 2060240 kB MemFree: 1867440 kB Cached: 100624 kB SwapCached: 0 kB
18:05<Larks>Buffers: 11912 kB
18:06<lupine_85>So... you have 1.8GB of RAM free, and you're not sure why you're going into swap?
18:06<themill>ruffidle: did you mount it in the same way (i.e. automagically through gnome)
18:06<lupine_85>oh dear
18:06[~]themill thinks he should steal some of Larks' memory if he thinks he's got too much of it....
18:06<Larks>lupine_85: it NEVER goes into swap.
18:07<lupine_85>it NEVER needs too
18:07<Supaplex>ruffidle: try running eject [mount|device] from an xterm/shell/terminal
18:07<lupine_85>Larks: how are you measuring the slowdown? ssh response?
18:07<ruffidle>themill: not sure, can't find any history of the mount in any logs or any sign of the configuration in any config files i've looked at
18:07<Larks>lupine_85 ssh response is 1 thing
18:07<ruffidle>Supaplex: i'll try that
18:07<lupine_85>1 thing that'll be affect by network performance, not ram or cpu
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18:08<Larks>gigabit lan connecting these two systems
18:08<Larks>both cards are functioning full duplex
18:08<Larks>its not network.
18:08<themill>ruffidle: is the device listed in the output of the command mount
18:08<Larks>that was my firts thing to debug
18:08<themill>ruffidle: and is it in /etc/mtab?
18:08<ruffidle>ok, eject works as user.
18:08<Larks>I need something to cause the system to swap, so I can then watch it
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18:09<ruffidle>yep, it's in mtab, but don't know mount option to show who/what mounted it
18:09<lupine_85>Larks: open a file in $random_editor and paste in 2-3GB of data, then
18:09<lupine_85>(or create the file with dd and then open it)
18:10<Larks>dd thats a good idea
18:10<themill>ruffidle: is it in /etc/fstab?
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18:11<ruffidle>themill: no, not in fstab... it's some kinda automount thingy that must have been installed when i was installing gnome stuff
18:11<themill>ruffidle: yes, but those automounting things normally use the /media/.mtab-hal file you were talking about.
18:11<lupine_85>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=10G
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18:12<lupine_85>perhaps that'll dump 10GB of data into RAM all at once, perhaps not
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18:12<ruffidle>that's what i thought, so i had originally thought a bug in hal or dbus
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18:13<Larks> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=10G
18:13<Larks>dd: memory exhausted
18:14<lupine_85>hehe, cool
18:14<Larks>no swap was used.
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18:14<ruffidle>hmm, no option for mount to get it to output what called for the mounting
18:15<Supaplex>Larks: start firefox with lots and lots of tabs. :-)
18:16<ruffidle>i wonder how i can configure the pop-up for when i right click on a desktop icon... then i could add the eject command there and my users would stop complaining
18:16<Supaplex>Larks: or, reboot with mem=256
18:19<themill>ruffidle: You might have multiple things trying to do the mounting. Perhaps /msg dpkg automount and check that you've only got one of those solutions installed and running.
18:21<ruffidle>themill: ok, that sounds like a good idea... i'll check that
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18:24<Lucita>hi all
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18:25<ruffidle>themill: automount not installed, nor equiv... gotta go run some errands. thanks a bunch for all your help. you've given me a new angle to look at it from.
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18:27<themill>ruffidle: good luck!
18:27<ruffidle>Supaplex: thanks to you, too. i appreciate the help.
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18:31<themill>night all!
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19:20<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team... vmware install is looking for c headers matching kernel version 2.6.18-5-amd64 but I seem to only have headers for 2.6.18-5... how do I find headers?
19:20<AndyJ_Australia>oops I only have 2.6.18-4! not 5
19:21<AndyJ_Australia>Slaps self on head! Nevermind, found them.
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19:28<dli>"ping" got unknown host, while "dig" returned correct IPs
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19:36<filemover>hi I want to shut down a computer from another machine ie with a remote shell or other method. How do I go about doing this
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19:39<dli>filemover: as root: shutdown -h now
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19:57<filemover>i knw how to shut down the machine from the shell. What I want to do is to shut it down from another machine
19:58<ricky>Then you SSH in and shutdown as you would from the shell.
19:58<De_Ghost>same thing?
19:58<filemover>so its similar to mounting a nfs share
19:58<filemover>but your going into the shell instead
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20:00<piyush>hi all.. can i get knoppix help here
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20:00<filemover>ive never done it so i dont know
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20:03<black_13>how do i pipe standard error to tee and then to file?
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20:06<gsimmons>!tell piyush -about knoppix
20:07<piyush>thanks.. i m in that chan.. but no one is answering
20:08<gsimmons>piyush: Are you in the channel on the freenode network? (not OFTC)
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20:27<chuy_max>do elo touch monitors work in debian versions later than 3.1 ?, I searched elo touch website and there are only drivers for old versions ( for Debian < 3.1).
20:28<chuy_max>touch screen monitors
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20:45<AndyJ_Australia>Hi people... I've created a virtual DOS floppy
20:45<AndyJ_Australia>I can only mount it as root
20:45<AndyJ_Australia>but can't change the permissions after it's mounted
20:46<AndyJ_Australia>How do I mount a virtual floppy so that a user can write to it?
20:46<AndyJ_Australia>Current mount looks like this:
20:46<AndyJ_Australia>mount -t vfat /home/tux/floppy.img /mnt/dosfloppy -o loop
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20:51<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: the fat filesystem doesn't have normal permissions
20:51<dondelelcaro>horray for drive by questions
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21:03<luciano_uisk>i have just installed debain etch, but it didnt recognized one of my ram memories, ..
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21:04<Larks>you can try memtest86
21:04<luciano_uisk>does anyone know how i can fix it?
21:04<Larks>you might first make sure it is seated properly in the mem slot
21:04<luciano_uisk>but i have another debian-based distro in my PC, and it can visualize my other ram, ..
21:05<luciano_uisk>its kurumin, the distro, ..
21:05<luciano_uisk>when i run "free" in kurumin, it appears 1.5 Gb ram, ...
21:05<luciano_uisk>but in debian, it just appear 1 giga, ..
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21:06<luciano_uisk>i tried lspci, and i saw 2 lines like this
21:06<luciano_uisk>00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2)
21:07<luciano_uisk>is it the memory itself ?
21:07<luciano_uisk>or something of the motherboard?
21:07<chealer>luciano_uisk: which Linux image do you use?
21:09<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: the 2 lines are probably just the motherboard memory controllers not the memory itself
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21:09<luciano_uisk>ok, ..
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21:10<luciano_uisk>can it be some module that i dont have?
21:10<luciano_uisk>how can i see such thing?
21:10<chealer>luciano_uisk: which CPU do you use?
21:10<remyforbes777>do a cat /proc/meminfo
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21:12<deviat>hola a todos buenas noches
21:12<luciano_uisk>i have an amd smprom 3000 with a gigabyte motherboard, ..
21:13<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: did you run that comman
21:13<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: command
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21:13<luciano_uisk>cat /proc/meminfo ?
21:13<luciano_uisk>yes, ..
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21:14<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: and?
21:14<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: what does it say for total memory
21:14<luciano_uisk>but it just shows the total memory, and other infos that i dont know what they are ...
21:14<luciano_uisk>it sais 906702, ..
21:15<luciano_uisk>but i have 2 memories, 1 with 1Gb ant other with 512 Mb ...
21:15<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: what other distro are you using
21:15<luciano_uisk>so, i think it is missing
21:15<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: you said your other distro sees the memory?
21:15<luciano_uisk>the other memory, ..
21:15<luciano_uisk>i am using kurumin 7
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21:16<luciano_uisk>is a brazilian debian-based distro,
21:16<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: how long ago were you booted into it
21:16<luciano_uisk>ant with it i can see 15?? Mb of RAM with "free"
21:16<marc_>I have a fresh instal of 4.0r1 and Id tha the stable or testing?
21:16<luciano_uisk>well, i just booted it yesterday, ..
21:16<luciano_uisk>i am using debian for the past week, ..
21:17<luciano_uisk>sometimes i go back to kurumin, just to set somethings, ..
21:17<chealer>luciano_uisk: do you mean a Sempron 3000+ or what?
21:17<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: so you haven't checked today if it could see the memory since you had these problem
21:17<luciano_uisk>do you think my RAM could be damaged?
21:17<chealer>marc_: stable
21:17<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: very possible
21:17<luciano_uisk>this problem appeared when i installed debian, ..
21:17<luciano_uisk>not now, ..
21:18<luciano_uisk>and yes, it is a sempron 3000+
21:18<marc_>chealer, how stable is testin, I am looking for gnome 2.20, or is that sid
21:18<luciano_uisk>i think it could be some module thing, ..
21:18<remyforbes777>check your modules
21:18<luciano_uisk>because i had problems with my soundcard, that is onboard, ..
21:18<luciano_uisk>and had to recompile alsa, ..
21:18<luciano_uisk>in kurumin and in debian, ...
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21:19<luciano_uisk>how do i check my modules?
21:19<luciano_uisk>cat /etc/modules?
21:19<dondelelcaro>luciano_uisk: lsmod
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21:20<marc_>whats to name for unstable?
21:20<chealer>luciano_uisk: which core is it? or socket? or model?
21:20<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: or you can cat /proc/modules
21:20<ZZT32>err:opengl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No OpenGL support compiled in. <- Perhaps someone can tell me, is this a problem with X11 or a proble with WINE? :X I've tried building from source and getting a few packages for wine but they all have the same problem.
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21:21<luciano_uisk>well, the socket of my cpu is AM2, ...
21:22<ZZT32>luciano_uisk, what are you trying to do? CPU scaling?
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21:23<luciano_uisk>no, i am just trying to run debian etch with all my memory, ..
21:23<luciano_uisk>that are 2 ram , totalizing 1.5 Gb, ..
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21:24<luciano_uisk>wich field shuld i find in "lsmod"?
21:24<luciano_uisk>i found a lot of things, ..
21:25<luciano_uisk>generic, processor, nvidiafb, ...
21:26<chealer>luciano_uisk: use a amd64 Linux image instead.
21:26<ziaaddils>hi all... i just did an etch base install, do i have to tweak hdparm or is it already done in the setup?
21:26<chealer>ziaaddils: tweak how?
21:26<gsimmons>luciano_uisk: Yep, change your installed kernel. The stock 486 kernels have CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM set.
21:27<ziaaddils>chealer: that is do i have to run it and then put it in the startup?
21:27<luciano_uisk>ah, ..
21:27<luciano_uisk>ishould pich the "-686", then?
21:27<marc_>what is the process to go from stable to unstable?
21:27<luciano_uisk>i think my processor isnt 64 bit, ...
21:27<marc_>a link would suffice
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21:28<chealer>marc_: why do you want to know that?
21:28<chealer>luciano_uisk: then which core does it use?
21:29<luciano_uisk>i think that is 32 bits, ...
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21:29<marc_>Because thats the release i want to use
21:29<marc_>I want gnome 2.20
21:29<luciano_uisk>well, i should have read the box, didnt i?
21:30<luciano_uisk>it said "amd 64 technology", ...
21:30<luciano_uisk>my fault, ...
21:30<marc_>switched from ubuntu gutsy today and want specific stuff from gnome 2.20, not 2.14
21:31<marc_>a decent how to link would suffice
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21:32<chealer>marc_: there should be no need for unstable, you should be able to use a testing/unstable mix.
21:32<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: you are using -686?
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21:32<chealer>remyforbes777: [22:08:45] <luciano_uisk> 2.6.18-5-486
21:32<remyforbes777>chealer: thanks
21:32<marc_>Chealer, thats all greek to me, mixing repos
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21:33<luciano_uisk>this is a copy of my "uname -a"
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21:33<luciano_uisk>Linux luciano 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Wed Sep 26 17:21:38 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
21:33<ziaaddils>how to i make hdparm settings permanent?
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21:34<luciano_uisk>i didintunderstand, it said I686 , but you said that the "-486" kernels are for 32 bit-based PCs, didnt you?
21:34<luciano_uisk>did i got something wrong on the installation?
21:34<remyforbes777>shouldn't matetr when it comes to ram though
21:35<gsimmons>ziaaddils: Edit /etc/default/hdparm, possibly /etc/hdparm.conf if you have more specific/advanced requirements.
21:35<ZZT32>Uh, kinda dumb question here: but how do you send the output of an application to a program and display it in the terminal?
21:36<chealer>luciano_uisk: no, the 486 image is for generic x86
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21:36<chealer>ZZT32: tee(1)?
21:37<ZZT32>I mean like
21:37<luciano_uisk>so the problem is that the "-486" kernels cant see more than 1 Gb of ram?
21:37<ZZT32>./configure > output.txt
21:37<ZZT32>and have it still display the output in terminal?
21:37<chealer>luciano_uisk: yes
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21:37<chealer>ZZT32: do you know tee(1)?
21:37<luciano_uisk>another thing, but it is far more complicated, ...
21:37<ZZT32>No :P
21:37<chealer>ZZT32: check its manual page
21:38<luciano_uisk>i tried once to recompile my kernel, in another machine
21:38<luciano_uisk>and i achieved that, but the root partition was in LVM, and i would need an initrd image
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21:38<luciano_uisk>and i dont have any clue on how to do such thing
21:39<luciano_uisk>do i have to make a folder with the contents of the initrd and then run "mkinitrd" or there is some way more automatically?
21:40<remyforbes777>luciano_uisk: there is a process to compile your kernel the debian way, google it you should come up with something
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21:40<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: Use make-kpkg, from the "kernel-package" package
21:40<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: It's a frontend to the kernel build process that makes a .deb of the resulting kernel
21:41<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: If you use the "--initrd" option, the package will automatically run mkinitramfs when you install it, to generate an initramfs for the newly-installed kernel
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21:42<luciano_uisk>i saw once that i would need to copy the /boot/config* to the root of the kernel tree, and then run "make-kpkg, ..
21:42<luciano_uisk>is that it?
21:42<AndyJ_Australia>Can a virtual floppy be made bootable?
21:43<luciano_uisk>but i will then have a .deb package, ..
21:43<luciano_uisk>it is just install it with dpkg -i ?
21:43<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: Copying a file from /boot/config is only if you want to use another kernel's configuration as a starting point when running menuconfig
21:43<luciano_uisk>ah, ..
21:43<Wyzard>(Alternatively, you can use the "load configuration from file" option within menuconfig)
21:43<Wyzard>You'd copy a config from /boot and have it be named ".config" in your kernel source directory
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21:44<Wyzard>Anyway, yeah, run "make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd" from the root of the kernel source tree, and you get a .deb
21:44<daos>can anyone tell me if you can use a second physical nic wioth virtualbox?
21:44<Wyzard>You can either do menuconfig first, or use "--config=menuconfig" when running make-kpkg, and it'll run menuconfig for you and continue building when you exit
21:44<daos>I want it to use eth1 rather than setting up a bridge
21:45<Wyzard>daos: I doubt it, but you could just make a bridge containing only eth1 and the VM
21:45<AndyJ_Australia>Can a virtual floppy be made bootable?
21:45<Wyzard>daos: Using the card directly would require giving the VM direct access to the real PCI device, which I don't think VirtualBox supports
21:45<Wyzard>I know VMware doesn't
21:45<Wyzard>though Xen can do it
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21:46<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: What sort of "virtual floppy" do you have in mind?
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21:46<daos>Wyzard: cool, thanks for the info :)
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21:46<daos>is Xen a product you poay for?
21:46<AndyJ_Australia>I've created an image of a DOS boot disk and copied it onto this debian box, vmware says "not a boot disc"
21:46<Wyzard>No, it's free
21:47<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: hmm, that should work
21:47<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: What did you do to create the disk image?
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21:47<luciano_uisk>ah, is it possible to make a linux bootfloppy nowadays?
21:47<AndyJ_Australia>dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy-image.img (on another box)
21:47<Wyzard>daos: It's trickier to set up, though, and it can't run Windows unless you have a recent processor with hardware virtualization support
21:48<luciano_uisk>i tried once but the size of the kernel was too big to be in one floppy, ..
21:48<daos>ahhh ok
21:48<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: That certainly ought to work, then
21:48<daos>thanks again
21:48<AndyJ_Australia>Thanks... I'
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21:48<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: You'd have to strip down the kernel a bit (in menuconfig) to make it fit on a floppy
21:48<AndyJ_Australia>I'll try another boot disk, maybe the boot disk is dud
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21:49<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: has some, I believe
21:49<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: though you need Windows to write them to disk, you could use VMware for that
21:49<luciano_uisk>so i must compile a new kernel, and then just copy it to the floppy?
21:49<AndyJ_Australia>I could only find .exe files (which assume you are running windows)
21:50<AndyJ_Australia>I'm trying to install WIN98SE into vmware, but have no floppy drive.
21:50<luciano_uisk>and it didnt have an C compiler that made smaller programs?
21:50<luciano_uisk>for embedded systems, i think, ..
21:50<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: GCC has a flag for optimizing for minimum size
21:50<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: dunno offhand whether menuconfig has an option for using it... it probably does
21:51<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: In fact, I'm pretty sure it does -- "optimize the kernel for size" IIRC
21:51<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: Why do you need a kernel on a floppy, btw?
21:52<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: You mentioned earlier that your root is on LVM, which means you need not only a kernel but also an initramfs
21:52<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: and to load an initramfs you need a loader such as GRUB or LILO
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21:52<luciano_uisk>well, it was just for fun, ..
21:52<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: and you're not likely to be able to fit both a kernel and an initramfs on a floppy
21:52<luciano_uisk>but it is not now, ..
21:53<luciano_uisk>i tried once, i needed to install win98 in an old machine, but that s*** couldnt recognize the disk, because i had installed linux on it, ...
21:54<luciano_uisk>and i couldnt run fdisk under the win98 floppy disk, ....
21:54<luciano_uisk>and couldnt boot kurumin on it, ..
21:54<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: You don't use fdisk on floppies
21:54<AndyJ_Australia>Same Problem: vmwares says" no bootable disk found
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21:54<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: Just formatting the disk in Windows would work
21:54<luciano_uisk>in the end, i just had to put its HD in another machine to reformat it for fat32, ..
21:54<luciano_uisk>well, it wasnt working, ..
21:55<luciano_uisk>it couldnt recognize it, ..
21:56<Wyzard>luciano_uisk: I know for certain that using the Windows format tool on a floppy disk that has Linux (or whatever) on it is all that's needed to make it usable by Windows again
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21:56<luciano_uisk>well, maybe it was something buggy with my hardware, too, ..
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21:57<luciano_uisk>but thanks for the helps
21:58<AndyJ_Australia>Can a virtual floppy be made bootable?
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22:02<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: It doesn't have to be "made" anything
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22:03<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: The floppy is real as far as the virtual machine is concerned
22:03<AndyJ_Australia>I've just double checked... vmware happily boots off any bootable CD (of which I have none for windoze) and happily points to virtual floppies _and_ insists that they are not bootable
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22:05<AndyJ_Australia>So... I'm stuck at square one installing WIN98SE in a vmware session (coz the box has no floppy and vmware insists that virtual floppies are not bootable)
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22:08<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: I just checked too: downloaded boot98se.exe from within a Windows VM, ran it to write itself to the VM's floppy drive, rebooted, and the floppy booted
22:08<Lisa696>I NEED WITH IPTABLES.. REDIRECT.. the traffic... of.. mi local host to any other addres and port???
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22:09<marc_>maybe I am missing something, but i cannot seem to update to test, some help would be appreciated
22:09<AndyJ_Australia>Of course, I can't do this because I'm setting up the windows VM
22:09<klys>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE
22:09<dondelelcaro>marc_: the specific place where you're having problems would help us help you
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22:10<dli_>DNS problem:
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22:11<AndyJ_Australia>I'm looking to see if I can connect to the floppy drive on another box over the network... nothing so far
22:11<klys>echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
22:12<marc_>i Folowed the instructions at and it dont do anythin at all
22:12<Wyzard>known working
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22:13<AndyJ_Australia>I've grabbed it, how do I change it into a disk image?
22:13<marc_>I don not know what to change in my apt sources.lidt to make it happen, could some one with a souces list for a mixed styem, stable/testing/unstable please pastebin their list for me?
22:14<AndyJ_Australia>vmware says:
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22:14<AndyJ_Australia>"not a bootable disk"
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22:17<AndyJ_Australia>Bingo! Working now (renamed to .img was sufficient) Thanks Wyzard.
22:17<Wyzard>AndyJ_Australia: you don't have to do anything special with it... just put it in the "use a floppy image:" box in the VM's config screen
22:17<Wyzard>The name is irrelevant
22:17<Wyzard>That file is exactly what my VM is using
22:18<marc_>dondelelcaro, what are you running, a mixed system or just testing, i would like gnome 2.20?
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22:19<marc_>dondelelcaro, and would you consider pastepining your souce.list for me, this ubub=ntu to debianthing is very confusing for me
22:20<dondelelcaro>marc_: you don't mix testing, unstable, and stable.
22:20<dondelelcaro>marc_: you pick one, and you run it. All my sources.list has is an unstable line and an experimental line
22:20<dondelelcaro>(and a few custom repositories for research related packages)
22:20<marc_>dondelelcaro, could you pastebin that form please?
22:21<dondelelcaro>marc_: using my sources.list is not what you want.
22:21<dondelelcaro>marc_: figure out which distribution you want to run, and pick a mirror.
22:21<dondelelcaro>marc_: you can then easily create the sources.list from that
22:22<marc_>dondelelcaro, I which has gnome 2.20, unstable?
22:22<dondelelcaro>gnome 2.20 isn't completely in Debian yet
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22:23<marc_>dondelelcaro, ok, i will just google more to see what i find,im just frustrated,ive been at this a long time
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22:23<marc_>dondelelcaro, thanks for you time
22:23<dondelelcaro>but yes, unstable is what has the most of it. However, if you're asking me how to create a sources.list, you shouldn't be running unstable
22:24<dondelelcaro>start with testing, get familiar with how things work, and then when you're ready, consider upgrading
22:24<marc_>dondelelcaro, I know how to create a source list, ubuntu my last distro i did that all the time, however i cheatd withthe source o matic, which does not seem to be a debian thing
22:25<dondelelcaro>marc_: using source-o-matic doesn't mean knowing how to create a sources.list entry
22:25<dondelelcaro>man 5 sources.list; to start with
22:25<dondelelcaro>if you read the first 8 paragraphs, and still have questions, feel free to ask here
22:26<marc_>dondelelcaro, ok
22:26<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
22:26<dondelelcaro>and see above if you don't know how to find the available mirrors
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22:29<dli_>someone to troubleshoot a DNS problem:
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22:43<damejiar>I need your help
22:44<dli_>!tell damejiar about help
22:44<damejiar>I don't know why if I insert a usb memory device it works perfect, but if I insert a digital camera (with a SD memory stick) connected with usb, it doesn't mount it
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22:44<damejiar>i am using Debian with Xfce desktop
22:44<miksuh>damejiar: weird
22:45<miksuh>I use Etch and both usb stuick and digital camera mount just fine
22:45<damejiar>this is the error message
22:45<miksuh>are you sure your difital camera works as a usb disk?
22:45<damejiar>Failed to mount "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part1_size_998702592".
22:45<damejiar>miksuh: yes, it works
22:45<miksuh>all digital cameras do not
22:46<miksuh>then you need to install gphoto2 etc
22:46<damejiar>Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part1_size_998702592" is not a volume or drive.
22:46<damejiar>gphoto2 doesn't detect my camera
22:46<damejiar>I run
22:46<damejiar>gphoto2 --auto-detect
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22:49<dli_>damejiar, does kernel find the partition? dmesg
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22:52<damejiar>dli_: this is the message in dmesg
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22:55<dli_>damejiar, I wonder it's a kernel driver problem, or you have broken fs
22:57<dli_>damejiar, the same problem to me
22:57<damejiar>dli_ : I have an actual Kernel
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22:57<damejiar> uname -a
22:57<damejiar>Linux debiandaymejia 2.6.22-2-486 #1 Thu Aug 30 23:45:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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23:00<dli_>damejiar, try the patch
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23:06<damejiar>dli_: this is exactly my problem
23:07<dli_>damejiar, just try another kernel, then
23:09<damejiar>dli_: I don't think so, it has no logic, because with debian etch stable with a 2.6.18 it works well, and here with Sid, with a 2.6.22 kernel doesn't work,
23:11<dli_>damejiar, try the stable kernel from
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23:18<damejiar>dli_ : i will try linux-2.6.23-1 :)
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