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---Logopened Wed Oct 17 00:00:02 2007
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00:00<fizzmahon>dli_: hahaha i thought i could figure that one out ;) i forgot i pluged my speakers into my ipod during debian install hahaha
00:00<dli_>fizzmahon, to build gnash, you need a list of deps
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00:00<Natha1>I configured xinetd
00:00<fizzmahon>dli_: it says no makefile found
00:00<Natha1>and it starts with every service, but not with telnetd
00:01<dli_>fizzmahon, the easiest way, get deb-src for sid, "apt-get build-dep gnash"
00:01<dli_>fizzmahon, then, get cvs source from
00:01<fizzmahon>dli_: im running etch
00:01<dli_>fizzmahon, yes, otherwise, you have to manually resolve the deps
00:02<klys_>natha1: you can paste the line whichj deals with telnetd, don't paste more than one line
00:02<fizzmahon>dli_: ok. where bouts can i find deb-src for sid
00:02<dli_>!tell fizzmahon about backport
00:03<Natha1>07/10/17@06:52:47 xinetd[5259]: ERROR: bind failed (Address already in use (errno = 98)). service = telnet
00:03<dli_>fizzmahon, go to the gnash source folder, run ./ , followed by ./configure --help
00:03<klys_>Natha1: tells me you're not using a 23 or you have something cool on port 23 right now
00:04<fizzmahon>dli_: should i do the deb-src first
00:04<Natha1>from file services port 23 is for telnet
00:04<dli_>fizzmahon, yes, you need deb-src for sid, (NOT deb entry)
00:05<klys_>Natha1: netstat -a | less
00:05<fizzmahon>dli_: trying to add that to my sources.list
00:05[~]kc sighs
00:05<kc>what are the packages I need to install for dvds to work?
00:06<dli_>!tell kc about d-m
00:06<fizzmahon>deb-src sid main
00:06<klys_>probably stuff from debian-multimedia and the DeCSS program you've heard about. just my guess
00:06<fizzmahon>look about right?
00:06<kc>I have debian multimedia
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00:06<kc>I just seem to be missing something that needs to be installed
00:07<fizzmahon>ok i updated apt
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00:07<dli_>kc, mplayer should do DVD by default
00:08<Natha1>i cant find port 23 or telnet ins netstat -a
00:08<kc>mplayer doesn't even start by default
00:08<kc>needes libxine-plugins or somesuch it seems
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00:09<kc>hmm, no
00:10<Natha1>klys_ have u read my post?
00:10<dli_>kc, build mplayer from source :( apt-get build-dep mplayer, then, download mplayer source from
00:10<kc>right... I
00:10<kc>I'll stick with xine
00:11<Bartman007>is there a way view the dependency chains as a tree (package a depends on b, which pulls in c and d...)
00:11<dli_>fizzmahon, that's werid :(
00:11<klys>Natha1: saw you
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00:11<dli_>fizzmahon, add deb-src entry for stable also, just my guess
00:12<Natha1>and now when i tried the command telnet localhost, the answer is
00:12<fizzmahon>you mean "deb-src http.... sid stable"
00:12<Natha1>Connection closed by foreign host
00:12<dli_>fizzmahon, just another line, for stable (etch) not for sid
00:13<klys_>Natha1: when I asked you to paste earlier, I was looking for the line from xinetd.conf
00:13<fizzmahon>dli_: sorry confused. so at the end of the line "etch stable" ?
00:15<Natha1>I saw I can paste just 1 what exaclty do u need?
00:15<dli_>fizzmahon, man sources.list
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00:17<klys>~tell me about flood
00:17<fizzmahon>dli_: ok read it so "deb-src http... stable main contrib" correct?
00:18<dli_>fizzmahon, yes
00:18<dli_>fizzmahon, fix the similar for sid also, maybe, some packages are from contrib
00:19<dli_>fizzmahon, try another mirror
00:20<fizzmahon>thats my file
00:20<dli_>fizzmahon, deb-src sid main contrib
00:23<fizzmahon>dli_: fixed but still getting the error on update
00:23<fizzmahon>dli_: even tried different mirror
00:23<dli_>fizzmahon, you fixed the line for stable also?
00:24<fizzmahon>dli_: what was wrong with my stable line
00:24<fizzmahon>dli_: deb-src stable etch main contrib
00:24<dli_>fizzmahon, have a look at what I changed for sid, and more important, "man sources.list"
00:25<fizzmahon>dli_: yes in my sid source i took out the stable
00:26<dli_>!tell fizzmahon about RTFM
00:27<fizzmahon>i read it thats not the problem, its understanding it
00:28<dli_>fizzmahon, you put two wrong lines there, I corrected one
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00:29<kc>so apparently only the Dr who dvd won't work
00:29<dli_>kc, what's the error message?
00:30<fizzmahon>dli_: uhh best guess is take out the etch? so it reads stable main contrib
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00:30<dli_>!tell fizzmahon about stable
00:31<kc>ah, right
00:31<jm_>fizzmahon: actually using codenames is a better solution IMHO
00:31<kc>no error, just fails to acknowledge anything past the copyright screen
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00:32<dli_>kc, can you mount the disk? maybe, it's scratched
00:32<fizzmahon>dli_: ok so etch is stable. but i cant seem to find my other error.
00:32<fizzmahon>dli_: im so confused, sorry if its aggravating
00:32<kc>can mount it fine
00:33<kc>and the FBI notice plays
00:33<dli_>fizzmahon, you can literally copy the entry from "man sources.list"
00:33<dli_>kc, then, it should play, I guess you should build mplayer from source, (since the binary doesn't work for you)
00:34<kc>this is xine...
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00:39<fizzmahon>dli_: ive read the man about 5 times now, can you hint me in the right direction please, im so confused.
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00:40<dli_>fizzmahon, copy the sid line, replace sid with etch
00:40<fizzmahon>dli_: thank you
00:40<dli_>fizzmahon, however, if you couldn't read man, you couldn't build gnash :(
00:41<fizzmahon>i read it i just didint understand what i did wrong
00:41<fizzmahon>i thought stable etch main contrib would work
00:41<Risjh>I had a touchpad problem earlier ( tapping didnt work on reboot) which was fixed when i changed the protocol to "alps" in xorg.conf yet the scrolling doesn't work. can someone help?
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00:42<fizzmahon>dli_: still getting same error on apt-get build-dep gnash, no available versions can satisfy.....
00:43<dli_>fizzmahon, then, sid gnash is broken, try to comment out the sid line, and try again
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00:44<fizzmahon>dli_: no source package for gnash
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00:47<dli_>fizzmahon, oh, use deb-src for lenny (testing)
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00:48<fizzmahon>dli_: =) thats working, 300mb of dependancies now installing
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00:49<dli_>fizzmahon, I'm not sure whether it would work, you should add the deb-src line for sid, and "apt-get upgrade", hope it would upgrade to available -dev packages in sid
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00:50<dli_>fizzmahon, after the lenny apt-get build-dep
00:50<fizzmahon>dli_: should i not have changed it to lenny, updated, build dep, and install tehm
00:50<fizzmahon>dli_: its at 80% downloading i can still cancel that
00:50<dli_>fizzmahon, no, you need the lenny to pull in packages
00:51<fizzmahon>dli_: ok its unpacking all the packages now
00:51<Supaplex>I hope we're using <chroot install> :)
00:51<dli_>fizzmahon, with lenny packages, then, you hope you can upgrade to newest -dev packages in sid
00:51<Risjh>VertEdgeScroll (Bool) means VertEdgeScroll can have the value "true" or "false" or 1 and 2?
00:51<fizzmahon>dli_: ok so after it finishes unpacking/installing do i change to the lenny back to sid and then do apt-get upgrade, correct?
00:52<xsdg>Risjh: I would imagine "true" or "false" or 0 and 1
00:52<Risjh>I think Bool should mean true and false, for boolean?
00:52<xsdg>though I'm not sure which of the two
00:52<Risjh>xsdg, both work?
00:52<dli_>fizzmahon, right, never tried this way, but it makes sense to me
00:52<fizzmahon>dli_: says there is nothing to upgrade
00:53<dli_>fizzmahon, try to build gnash now, gnash can tell you which package to install
00:54<fizzmahon>dli_: should i use ./configure first once again
00:54<dli_>fizzmahon, ./
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00:55<magdalene>okay i have a strange one
00:55<fizzmahon>./ line 112: libtoolize: command not found
00:55<fizzmahon>**Error**: libtoolize failed, do you have libtool package installed?
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00:55<fizzmahon>should i "apt-get install libtool
00:56<dli_>fizzmahon, yes
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00:56<magdalene>my em dash has dissapeared
00:56<magdalene>it still shows a keypress in showkey
00:56<fizzmahon>dli_: installed it but getting same error about libtool
00:57<dli_>fizzmahon, try to backport libtool, "apt-get build-dep libtool; apt-get -b libtool"
00:57<dli_>fizzmahon, apt-get -b source libtool
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00:58<magdalene>but wont show up otherwise in shell/term or xwindows... it wouldn't be a big problem if it were say a non useful character like say oh del or quote
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00:59<dpkg>X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
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01:00<jm_>magdalene: verify what xev says for it and compare xmodmap dump against a working one
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01:01<peterrooney>magdalene: does showkey show the key release as well ?
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01:02<peterrooney>does it show 0x8c when you release?
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01:02<magdalene>no, just 0x0c over and over again
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01:04<peterrooney>!tell magdalene about private
01:07<fizzmahon>dli_: okay it just finished with everything you told me
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01:07<peterrooney>magdalene: that's odd - showkey should reveal a keycode when you press the key down and when you release it. check on a virtual console for best results ( IIRC, showkey sometimes can't deal with xterms pleasantly)
01:07<fizzmahon>but still running ./ returns the same errors
01:08<dli_>fizzmahon, you installed the .deb from backport
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01:09<fizzmahon>dli_: i believe so. i did " apt-get build-dep libtool; apt-get -b source libtool"
01:09<fizzmahon>dli_: thats backports if im not mistaken =S
01:09<dli_>fizzmahon, you still have to install the .deb generated
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01:10<fizzmahon>dli_: how do i go about that?
01:11<dli_>fizzmahon, read the output from apt-get -b source, and check the folder where you ran it, find the .deb
01:13<fizzmahon>dli_: there are 4 .deb
01:13<fizzmahon>should i run them all?
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01:14<dli_>fizzmahon, libtool_*.deb
01:14<peterrooney>magdalene: sorry, meant virtual terminal
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01:15<peterrooney>!virtual terminal
01:16<fizzmahon>dli_: this may sound stupid lol but im new to debian. how do i run this deb
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01:16<fizzmahon>dli_: it just opens in archive manager, and from console says i dont have permisions
01:16<fizzmahon>chmod it?
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01:16<peterrooney>fizzmahon: you do not run debs.
01:17<dli_>fizzmahon, dpkg -i foo.deb
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01:17<peterrooney>you'd probably want to run "dpkg -i <debname>"
01:17<iono>Hi, how can I get copy/paste functionality in xterm?
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01:18<fizzmahon>dli_: thank you
01:18<peterrooney>iono: use leftbutton to select, middlebutton to paste usually works well
01:18<dli_>iono, or use gnome-terminal, you have right click menu
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01:19<iono>Ok, thank you
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01:19<fizzmahon>dli_: done, is that all i must do now and can run autogen again?
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01:19<dli_>fizzmahon, yes, and fix package deps reported by
01:20<iono>I get a GPG error when I run aptitude update, what should I do?
01:21<peterrooney>dpkg: virtual terminal
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01:21<fizzmahon>dli_: =( same libtool error
01:21<dli_>fizzmahon, install the other .debs from backport
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01:23<fizzmahon>dli_: ok
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01:24<dli_>fizzmahon, if you still got the same error: apt-get install libltdl3-dev
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01:24<fizzmahon>dli_: nope didnt get same error, its doing autogen right now
01:24<fizzmahon>dli_: before i forget, i really appreciate you spending your time helping. thanks
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01:25<dli_>fizzmahon, gnash guys have docs for apt deps:
01:26<fizzmahon>dli_: and looks like its all there
01:26<fizzmahon>dli_: should i just ./configure make make install and make clean now?
01:26<dli_>fizzmahon, yes
01:27<peterrooney>nick http
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01:29<fizzmahon>dli_: wow debian much more complicated then ubuntu heh
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01:29<dli_>fizzmahon, ubuntu got gnash already?
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01:29<fizzmahon>dli_: hmm no but i didnt use ubuntu for 64bit, i was lazy and just used 32 bit so i just used flashplayer (which kills my ram)
01:29<fizzmahon>dli_: hmm configure eror'd and told me to install required packages, i didnt think i saw any missing in autogen
01:29<fizzmahon>dli_: im switching to debian for the challenge. ubuntu was to user friendly lol, so simple just like using windows
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01:31<Eulex>fizzmahon, testing and unstable have flashplugin-nonfree for amd64; you could do a simple sid backport if you're on etch.
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01:32<dli_>fizzmahon, read the gnash page for deps
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01:34<fizzmahon>dli_: it told me what was missing im just installing it now, 3 of them were in apt but one i have to install from source
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01:35<dli_>fizzmahon, just backport from sid
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01:35<jiraiya>what package must install to build webserver with minimum package
01:35<fizzmahon>dli_: what do you mean?
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01:35<fizzmahon>=) gnash finally making
01:36<jiraiya>what package must install to build webserver
01:36<dli_>fizzmahon, apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get -b source foo
01:36<jiraiya>can just install base + apache ?
01:36<fizzmahon>dli_: for the flashplayer as Eulex mentioned?
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01:36<jiraiya>i am plan to build webserver with minimum package
01:37<jiraiya>but secure
01:37<dli_>fizzmahon, I have no idea what's that
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01:38<fizzmahon>dli_: so when you install something do you always use apt-get build-deb foo; apt-get -b source foo
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01:38<dli_>fizzmahon, no, because gnash requires newer versions, so, you backport
01:39<fizzmahon>dli_: ah ok i think i understand better.
01:39<fizzmahon>dli_: do you always use apt-get build-deb foo, or is apt-get install foo sufficient?
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01:40<dli_>fizzmahon, no, you don't want to pull in sid binaries, so, you use only deb-src from sid for backport
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01:41<fizzmahon>dli_: ahh ok. well i commented out the sid line in my sources so i dont make a mistake
01:42<fizzmahon>dli_: hmm one more quick question. i have a secondary hard drive located at /dev/sda1 that i put in fstab but i can only mount it/write to it within root
01:42<fizzmahon>dli_: how do i change that so my user can do that aswell
01:43<fizzmahon>dli_: right now im doing everything from within an "su" environment
01:43<dli_>fizzmahon, if it's a mobile disk, use pmount
01:44<fizzmahon>dli_: no its permanent
01:44<dli_>fizzmahon, add "user" to the options section
01:44<fizzmahon>dli_: optimal would be to have it mount at boot but i forget how to do that lol
01:44<fizzmahon>dli_: ok
01:45<Eulex>dli_, that wasn't the question; that's what's needed to _mount_ it as a user
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01:45<Eulex>fizzmahon, what file system does the secondart hdd have?
01:45<fizzmahon>my line in fstab right now is "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 fat32 defaults 0 0"
01:46<Eulex>fizzmahon, you need to set the uid, gid and umask options
01:46<jm_>that's wrong factoid
01:46<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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01:47<Eulex>jm_, yeah, figured
01:48<dli_>fizzmahon, no point to allow user mount:( or any point to use vfat, use a modern fs instead for a permanent disk
01:49<fizzmahon>dli_: what is a modern fs?
01:49<fizzmahon>!tell fizzmahon about modernfs
01:50<Eulex>dli_, he might be using fat32 to be able to read and write to it both in windows and linux
01:50<dli_>Eulex, use ntfs-3g
01:50<fizzmahon>Eulex: yeah thats what was originally setup although i have ditched windows all together now
01:50<jm_>isn't ntfs-3g writing in Linux rather slow?
01:50<fizzmahon>if there wernt 70gb of data on it id convert it to another format
01:51<dli_>jm_, no idea, never touched it
01:52<dli_>jm_, I think ntfs has modern features, like tail packing, it's not open, that's the main drawback
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01:53<fizzmahon>=( gnash finished installing but still no flash in iceweasel
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01:53<fizzmahon>any ideas?
01:54<dli_>fizzmahon, I guess you didn't build plugin, or you installed plugin to wrong folder
01:54<dli_>fizzmahon, ./configure --with-plugindir=/opt/netscape/plugins
01:55<fizzmahon>dli_: i dont have an /opt/netscape
01:55<fizzmahon>dli_: nothing is in my /opt folder
01:56<Supaplex>~lart for offline maintenance
01:56[~]dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples's genitalia to the ground for offline maintenance
01:56<dli_>fizzmahon, /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
01:57<fizzmahon>dli_: so "./configure --with-plugindir=/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
01:57<dli_>fizzmahon, yes
01:57<fizzmahon>and then make and make install again
01:57<dli_>fizzmahon, yes
01:57<dli_>fizzmahon, hope you don't need "make clean"
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02:02<x-stream>kann mir wer helfen ich hab gerade etwas richtig dummes gemacht -.-
02:02<dli_>!tell x-stream about de
02:02<x-stream>ich hab mit dem krusader unter debian etch ein verzeichnis gelöscht
02:02<x-stream>hab aber das flashce erwischt -.-
02:02<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
02:03<x-stream>ive done something really stupid
02:03<x-stream>ive deletet under debian etch one directory using krusader
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02:03<x-stream>but that directory was the wrong one
02:03<Supaplex>x-stream: which directory?
02:04<x-stream>. /srv/www/phpsearch
02:04<x-stream>my own written php script
02:04<dpkg>[undeleting] Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
02:04<dli_>x-stream, undelete doesn't always help you:( unix 101: backup
02:05<x-stream>i see
02:05<x-stream>so game over -.-
02:05<Supaplex>sorry to hear that
02:05<x-stream>filesystem is ext3
02:05<x-stream>im frustrated
02:05<Supaplex>this time you'll write it better though, right? :)
02:05<x-stream>thats was a real big script
02:05<x-stream>thats not the second time its the third -.-
02:05<@Ganneff>you should have had backups
02:05<Staz> you're SooL == So out of luck?
02:06<@Ganneff>if its important, and you already done it the third time - then its absolutely your fault for not having backups. you do want it to get lost, it seems
02:06<x-stream>i've not so much knowledge about linux
02:06<x-stream>im a windows lamer
02:07<x-stream>which has deleted his windoze on work
02:07<Supaplex>windows lamers don't even try.
02:07<Supaplex>you're beyond that
02:07<x-stream>that sounds good
02:07<Supaplex>I deleted most of /root once. it stung bad
02:07<x-stream>linux is perfect for work
02:07<x-stream>i should so harakiri
02:08<Supaplex>got impatent with lynx deleting things, and accidently delted '..' which was == /root
02:09<x-stream>thats the badest i ever heard
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02:10<Supaplex>I've done some dumb things on test boxes, but I guess those don't really count. :)
02:10<x-stream>thats true
02:10<Supaplex>I was glad it was only /root, and not /
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02:13<fizzmahon>you guys prefer kde or gnome?
02:13<@Ganneff>none of them.
02:13<dli_>fizzmahon, I run xfce, I think gurus run wms
02:14<@Ganneff>dli_: so you are no guru... :)
02:14<@Ganneff>fizzmahon: there is no good reply. select that thing you like
02:14<dli_>Ganneff, no, I'm always a n00b :( I insist on running debian in a n00b way, it should be
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02:14<fizzmahon>ive heard kde runs faster as it loads all the dependancies at boot for its programs
02:14<fizzmahon>is that true?
02:15<dli_>fizzmahon, xfce is definitely faster than kde
02:15<@Ganneff>fizzmahon: you hear funny things
02:15<dli_>fizzmahon, of course, try: fluxbox, icewm
02:16<fizzmahon>im in the default gnome right now after debian install
02:16<fizzmahon>i was running kde in ubuntu
02:17<dli_>fizzmahon, apt-get install kde
02:19<fizzmahon>woahhh gnash, finally working, but all the flash embeds are really screwed up
02:19<fizzmahon>things are all over the place
02:19<dli_>fizzmahon, gnash currently plays youtube well (almost), not much more than that
02:20<fizzmahon>dli_: hm maybe ill just get rid of debian amd64 and go to the 32 bit. i use flash quite a bit
02:21<dli_>fizzmahon, gnash development is quite active, just help them by testing the codes
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02:23<fizzmahon>dli_: okay will do, just keep downloading and upgrading?
02:23<dli_>fizzmahon, yes, and reporting bugs, better also, run gnash -v
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02:24<billybobthortan>hey, do any of you guys know whats a good tool to "rip" a website
02:24<billybobthortan>like download all the text
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02:25<dli_>billybobthortan, "wget -r"
02:26<billybobthortan>so, thats all i need to do
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02:30<fizzmahon>ok all bedtime, goodnight
02:30<fizzmahon>thanks for your help!
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03:02<Supaplex>ouuu owe insanely hot chicken pot pie
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03:14<Twiks>Hi.Enyone has install debian on motherboard,with intel P35 and ich9r chipsets ?? I've tried DEBIAN stable and testing version and Ubuntu 7.04, but installers couldn't find dvdrom drive connected on IDE controller integrated in Marvell® 88SE6111. Please help and sorry for my english
03:14<loadex>I am setting up an network with about 20 computers, I am going to have the all pxe boot and have openafs for their root filesystem, I am going to have failover for the machine running the dhcpd and tftpd and hosting the images. I am doing this for the boys and girls club, the computers are rather old so I want them to share as many resouces as possible. Each node that pxeboots will have its harddrive as part of the openafs, so that will make the most of the
03:14<loadex>storage space. I would like to have the machines share cpu as well, is there a way to make use of the idle cycles of some desktops to help speed the others along?
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03:15<jm_>Twiks: use Etch + 2.6.23 kernel installer
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03:15<ifvoid>loadex: mosic used to be able to do that
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03:16<dli_>loadex, clustering
03:16<ifvoid>loadex: but it's usually not worth the trouble unless you're goign to run high-performance calculations and stuff like that
03:16<loadex>Twiks: edit your /etc/apt/sources to include lenny, then upgrade your kernel to the latest
03:16<ifvoid>loadex: the overhead for migrating the processes to another machine is way too big to use it for normal desktop use
03:17<loadex>well, the machine will be use for the kids to play games, make music, write reports, do photo and video editing
03:17<loadex>thanks for the info
03:19<dli_>loadex, not much can be done to share CPU resources, try SSI
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03:19<dli_>loadex, openMosix was a good start, but it's a dead project now
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03:20<loadex>it seems that there should be a netcpu daemon and client set and maybe have a module for a schduler to send cpu intensive/non memory intensive tasks to the netcpu.
03:21<Twiks>jm_ Thens for reply. But how can i create or where i can get Etch + 2.6.23 kernel installer?
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03:24<jacol>hello, i'm trying to build a kernel package (from source - apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-686)
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03:24<jacol>to add bigmem patch
03:24<jacol>is there any way
03:24<jacol>that i could build only one target
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03:25<jacol>when i do debuild
03:25<dli_>jacol, why not use bigmem on 64 bit :(
03:25<jacol>scripts buils build-i386-none-486 build-i386-none-686 build-i386-none-686-bigmem build-i386-none-amd64 build-i386-none-k7 ...
03:25<loadex>Twiks: roll your own bootcd, I know dreamlinux has a distro remastering app, start with the net-inst image, and just change the kernels the cd starts, and add the debs to the pool on the cd
03:26<jacol>and it takes ages to complete
03:26<jacol>dli, i can not do that right now
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03:27<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
03:27<jm_>Twiks: ^^^^^
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03:27<loadex>jacol, download the kernel source, and build it manually, and use one of the mkinitrd tools to make your ram disk
03:27<ifvoid>jacol: how much memory do you have?
03:28<ifvoid>jacol: the big mem patch is realyl for BIG amounts of memory
03:28<ifvoid>16GB+ or so on i386
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03:28<jacol>i have 4G
03:28<ifvoid>then you don't need a patch
03:28<jacol>i do
03:28<ifvoid>you just want to use a 64 bit kernel
03:28<loadex>jacol, when you type free, do you see all your ram?
03:29<ifvoid>jacol: or enable highmem on i386
03:29<ifvoid>but it's slow
03:29<jacol>patch only adds PAE
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03:29<jacol>in config
03:29<loadex>you do need the patch then, im guessing that you see 4G in the bios?
03:29<dli_>jacol, I guess you only need himem 4GB support, not bigmem
03:29<dli_>jacol, you couldn't use all 4GB on 32 bit anyway
03:29<jacol>i do see 4G in bios
03:29<ifvoid>jacol: but you'd be way better of with a 64 bit kernel (provided you have a recent processor)
03:29<loadex>jacol, what type cpu you have
03:30<dli_>jacol, yes, there's a 3.5GB limit for 32 bit system
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03:31<loadex>with 4G ram I'm guessing you have a 64bit cpu?
03:31<ifvoid>jacol: so you build a 64 bit kernel then
03:31<loadex>will use the 64bit kernel image
03:31<ifvoid>that will solve all your problems
03:31<jacol>Xeon 5130
03:31<ifvoid>oh, there's even a ready-made kernel image available
03:31<ifvoid>just install linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64
03:31<jacol>without changine the architecture ?
03:32<jacol>it's a working system you know
03:32<ifvoid>yes, you can use a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland
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03:32<loadex>You can run 64bit and 32bit code
03:33<loadex>errp, binaries
03:34<Twiks>jm_: I've olreaddy tried etch-custom-1013 with kernel version 2.6.23 for i386 from this site but it also coudn't find dvddrive :(
03:34<jacol>i now run 2.6.22-2-vserver-686
03:35<jacol>so i should install linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64 ?
03:35<loadex>you should get the headers and all too
03:35<ifvoid>oh, you're on etch?
03:35<ifvoid>that complicates things
03:35<jacol>do i have to change my apt config ?
03:36<jacol>nope, lenny
03:36<ifvoid>oh ok
03:36<ifvoid>on lenny the 64 bit kernel should be available
03:36<loadex>lenny rocks
03:36<jacol>apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64
03:36<ifvoid>no vserver-amd64 kernel though, it seems
03:36<jacol>is empty
03:37<jacol>but there is a package on THE list
03:37<loadex>Twiks give us the output of lspci, the line for your ide controller, can the machine boot from a disc in the problem drive?
03:37<jacol>that is way i've asked about apt config
03:37<ifvoid>jacol: yes, on the amd64 architecture
03:37<ifvoid>but you can't use that on your i386 setup
03:38<loadex>jacol: here is my apt-config
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03:38<ifvoid>jacol: I guess you will have to build you own kernel, then
03:39<ifvoid>not really a big problem
03:39<loadex>deb etch main contrib non-free
03:39<loadex>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
03:39<loadex>deb lenny main contrib non-free
03:39<loadex>deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
03:39<loadex>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
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03:40<ifvoid>loadex: please don't paste here
03:40<ifvoid>loadex: and this was a useless paste anyway
03:41<azeem>what do you mean with /W 5
03:41<ifvoid>loadex: there is no vserver-amd64 kernel available on i386
03:42<loadex>jacol, you could also get a list of all your installed packages, Guys help me out with a command for that, back up your custom config files and /home and reload with the netinst cd for your arch, and install all the packages on your list
03:44<jacol>it's a procudtion machine
03:44<Twiks>loadex: I can doit not before tonight. But thanks for help.
03:44<ifvoid>jacol: yes, jsut build a new kernel
03:44<ifvoid>there is no need at all to reinstall
03:45<jacol>can i use dpkg -i --force-architecture ?
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03:46<ifvoid>jacol: in principle, yes
03:46<ifvoid>jacol: but I'm not sure how apt-get will handle that afterwards
03:47<ifvoid>and I wouldn't recommend it on a production system
03:47<ifvoid>(but for that matter, I also wouldn't recommend lenny on a production system)
03:47<ifvoid>so ymmv
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03:51<loadex>ifvoid, if he just installs and boots a amd64 kernel, can't he just apt-get upgrade to get all his software in 64bit binary, or is there something in /etc that he would have to change to set his arch
03:52<ifvoid>loadex: why would he want to upgrade to amd64?
03:52<ifvoid>loadex: this is a production machine
03:53<jacol>lenny is only on root, vservers run etch
03:53<loadex>will performance boost, but that may not be important depending on what the machine is used for
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03:54<jacol>i have just made a test on a workstation
03:54<jacol>dpkg -i --force-architecture works
03:54<dpkg>package --force-architecture works is already installed
03:55<loadex>If you have a 64bit cpu, you should have a 64bit kernel and binaries
03:55<lupine_85>not should
03:55<loadex>and 64bit binaries for the vservers
03:55<jacol>what about performance impact ?
03:56<Eulex>jacol, almost none.
03:56<lupine_85>what about it? it's minimal in almost all situations
03:56<lupine_85>in fact, 64-bit code can be slower
03:56<Eulex>loadex, no, you cannot upgrade from i386 with an amd64 kernel to amd64
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03:56<Eulex>only 'good' reason is if you had 3gb+ ram and wanted to use all of it.
03:56<lupine_85>in any case, you'd have to fudge the apt install files, then do an apt-get install --reinstall <all packages>
03:56<lupine_85>erm, config
03:57<lupine_85>much easier to build an amd64 chroot with all the packages, then pop that over the top of your 32-bit /
03:57<lupine_85>no, not that one
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03:57<loadex>lupine_85, enlighten me
03:57<jacol>thank you all for help
03:58<loadex>lupine_85, good idea with the chrooting
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03:58<lupine_85>I'm not actually certain where it stores it's architecture selection
03:58<lupine_85>I know it doesn't get it from uname, so it must be in a config file somewhere
03:58<Eulex>I believe it's stored in the binary itself.
03:58<Eulex>so, good luck changing it.
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03:59<Paper>hi all, question: can anyone explain to me the philosophy behind why, when creating a new user, a new group of the same name of the username is created?
03:59<lupine_85>so dpkg -i dpkg_*_amd64.deb would do the trick?
03:59<lupine_85>far too hacky for me
03:59<Eulex>lupine_85, I don't know, never tried.
03:59<lupine_85>Paper: because files have an owner /and/ a group
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03:59<Eulex>that amd64 dpkg would probably require quite some amd64 libs if you even manage to get it installed.
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04:00<jm_>Paper: that actually depends on your setup
04:00<lupine_85>just libc6 and coreutils
04:00<Paper>jm_: i'm reading my adduser.conf and was wondering why
04:00<lupine_85>but yeah, it's not something I'd like to try
04:00<Paper>jm_: it has that option
04:00<jm_>Paper: indeed
04:01[~]lupine_85 has lots of LVM / partitions instead, and shares his important directories among them
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04:02<loadex>jacol, apt-get won't let you install the 64bit kernel image?
04:02<jacol>i don't know
04:02<jacol>it's not even on the list od packages
04:02<jacol>so i downloaded linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64_2.6.22-4_amd64.deb from repository
04:03<lupine_85>there's a linux-image-amd64 in the i386 repos (the .deb ends with _i386 though)
04:03<jacol>and did dpkg -i --force-architecture
04:03<lupine_85>hmm, why the vserver one?
04:03<Paper>lupine_85: to help me understand better, can you give me any examples of when you wouldn't create a group when creating a new user?
04:03<Paper>lupine_85: like, when the user doesn't need to create files maybe?
04:03<lupine_85>Paper: if the user is only going to own files which other users also share
04:04<lupine_85>e.g. if you have a user who's sole job is to play with files in /var/www, I might put that user in the www-data group; s/he wouldn't need his/her own group
04:05<lupine_85>(useradd, for instance, doesn't create a new group for a user by default, FYI)
04:05<lupine_85>for a normal system user who has their own directory in /home, their own group is handy
04:07<Paper>so any other user can be added to that normal user's group to get access to their files?
04:07<lupine_85>to get group-level access to their files, yes
04:08<lupine_85>so if the perms are, e.g. 775, then they'll have full access. if 755, then no
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04:08<Paper>I think I understand
04:09<lupine_85>cool :)
04:10<Paper>thanks I appreciate it
04:10<Paper>learning has occurred :)
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04:13<jacol>lupine_85: no vserver with amd64 for i386
04:13<jacol>2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64 works
04:13<jacol>Memory: 4045460k/5242880k available (2072k kernel code, 147800k reserved, 958k data, 296k init)
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04:15<loadex>jacol, so all you had to do was apt-get install 2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64?
04:15<jacol>dpkg -i --force-architecture linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64_2.6.22-4_amd64.deb
04:15<dpkg>package --force-architecture linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64_2.6.22-4_amd64.deb is already installed
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04:23<srxsrx>dpkg -i is a dumb word. also your mama
04:23[~]dpkg removes a speen from srxsrx and replaces it with is a dumb word. also your mama
04:23<srxsrx>dpkg -i is a dumb word. also your mama.deb
04:23<dpkg>package is a dumb word. also your mama.deb is already installed
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04:32<loadex>hey jacol, I think that by talking to you about you vserver issue, I have figured out how to do what I had wanted, so I have all my machines pxeboot to make a lvs cluster, the on my Vserver I'll use openafs for its root, I'll have the pxe booting nodes set to Gdm remote xsessions to the Virtual server
04:36<loadex>unless I am not understanding, this will let me get all the machines to share all there resources, cpu, ram, hardisk. Somebody tell me if I am wrong, but this sounds to me like a great way for 20 plus old computers to get max proformance and the file system will have redunancy
04:37<loadex>jacol, does this sound like a winning stratagy?
04:37<nico1234>is the debian-desktop project still alive?
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04:38<lolcakes>has anyone here had a job for more than five years?
04:39<azeem>lolcakes: please ask on topic questions, rather
04:39<lupine_85>what is it with the students, anyway?
04:39<jacol>loadex: now you're making fun of me, eh ?
04:40<lolcakes>I'm just trying to find a professional to interview for my mid term thats due tomorrow
04:40<lolcakes>plz god hep me
04:40<loadex>jacol, nope, I have been up for a really long time and wanted to know your opinion of what I said
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04:40<azeem>lolcakes: ask elsewhere
04:40<lolcakes>do u have any suggestions?
04:40<loadex>lolcakes, I have been selfemplyed for 7 years
04:40<loadex>pm me
04:41[~]themill wonders whether there are easier ways of setting someone up for identity theft
04:41<lupine_85>themill: I don't think sp
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04:47<chealer>nico1234: apparently, but it doesn't have the reach you would expect
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04:48<nico1234>chealer, what do you mean by "reach"?
04:49<chealer>nico1234: extent, range
04:50<themill>nico1234: most people think that it does a lot more than it really does.
04:50<themill>nico1234: (or will do much more than it plans to do)
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04:50<themill>nico1234: (or has done much more than it really has) .... you can pick a tense.
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04:54<nico1234>themill, what is it exactly? a whole installable distro? a meta-package for the "classic" debian?
04:55<themill>nico1234: they're a group working towards better integration of various desktop packages. See:
04:57<nico1234>themill, yeah i've checked that page, but i didn't see anything on it saying whether there is some "debian-desktop" ISO that can be downloaded (the only links i found are to the "normal" debian ISOs) or some sort of post-install scripts/meta-package/whatever... :-?
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04:58<loadex>ok, so I am trying to make the most out of a 20+ group of donated computers. I would like to have your opinions. I want to utilize ever bit of resources, so I am thinking that I make a big lvs cluster and have the Virtual server be a X terminal server, and all the nodes will be terminals as well.
04:58<themill>nico1234: They are a group working towards better integration of various desktop packages. They do not really make any packages themselves and they do not make ISOs.
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05:00<nico1234>themill, so the stuff they "produce" goes straight into the "normal" debian? i mean, by using debian with gnome i automatically use "debian-desktop"?
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05:01<themill>nico1234: correct.
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05:02<nico1234>themill, k thanx
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05:05<grub_>hi, my touchpad scroll doesnt work. ALPS touchpad, my xorg.conf
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05:07<lutera>W: Duplicate sources.list entry etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
05:07<lutera>ive got this error what does it mean?
05:07<grub_>colbert, ?
05:08<grub_>lutera, you've got duplicate entries in sources.list?
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05:09<colbert>I was trying to find out why xchat does that
05:09<grub_>colbert, yes?
05:09<grub_>does what?
05:09<lutera>thx grub its ok now
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05:10<colbert>I was trying to edit the ctcp setting but it doesn't seem to work
05:10<colbert>I'm not sure what question to ask yet
05:10<colbert>So I'm just reading in general
05:10<weggli>grub_: where is lino??
05:11<grub_>weggli, lino?
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05:36<sugarmice>I'm switching to using aptitude on some old Sarge machines from just using apt-get in the past. The problem is that aptitude seems to think most of the packages on the system were automatically installed and wants to remove them. Now, I understand why that is, but what I don't understand is why I don't seem to be able to fix it. I've tried setting Aptitude::Delete-Unused to false, and it still wants to do it. I've also tried using the following
05:36<sugarmice>aptitude show ~M | sed -n '/^Package:/s/^.* //p' | xargs aptitude unmarkauto
05:37<sugarmice>but neither of these techniques seems to be able to convince aptitude not to blow them away, as shown by aptitude -s install
05:37<sugarmice>what am I missing?
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05:38<jm_>really? that approach certainly worked for me
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05:38<sugarmice>Well, the command succeeds, but if I then do aptitude show ~M again, I still get the same list
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05:41<sugarmice>Aha - found something that seems to work better, and much simpler:
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05:41<sugarmice>aptitude unmarkauto '~M'
05:42<jm_>yeah but that should do the same, just taking advantage of search patterns ;)
05:42<sugarmice>Ah - no, spoke too soon. Doesn't work.
05:43<sugarmice>It's cleared the flag alright, but aptitude -s install still wants to remove 401 packages
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05:45<themill>sugarmice: my normal approach is to pick a couple of the metapackages and "install" them with the same aptitude command as I'm installing things with. Add a few things like kde or is normally all that's required. But 401 sounds like a pain.
05:45<jm_>sugarmice: how about aptitude install '~M' ?
05:46<jm_>or maybe -vvv can show some info, or --visual-preview
05:47<sugarmice>That doesn't work now, because there are no longer any packages marked as automatically installed. aptitude show '~M' now returns nothing, but aptitude -D -s install still wants to delete the world
05:47<jm_>maybe it's worth checking its state file
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05:51<sugarmice>Can't see anything obvious in the pkgstates file - what should I be looking for?
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05:54<jm_>to be honest I don't know its internals, and I see it's not really obvious what those states are
05:54<sugarmice>I'm suspicious of the Dselect-State thing. I'm going to investigate that...
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05:55<jm_>I have most of those at 0
05:55<sugarmice>Right, and I have them at other numbers:
05:55<sugarmice>grep 'Dselect-State' pkgstates | sort | uniq -c
05:55<sugarmice> 1309 Dselect-State: 1
05:55<sugarmice> 3 Dselect-State: 3
05:55<sugarmice> 14466 Dselect-State: 4
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05:56<jm_>yeah I have some in 1 and 4
05:56<jm_>3 too
05:57<sugarmice>But I have none in state 0
05:57<hate29>Hi, I removed whole /etc/apache2 and now I can't install/remove apache. Is there anything that I can do to fix this?
05:57<sugarmice>apt-get reinstall apache2 ???
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05:59<ifvoid>hate29: why can't you install it anymore?
05:59<jm_>!tell hate29 -about confmiss
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06:05<jm_>heh someone has similar problem as sugarmice - ran unmarkauto ~M and it's trying to remove 400 packages :P
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06:07<jm_>he ran aptitude install '~i' and now it's apparently OK
06:09<sugarmice>Just going to try that
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06:09<jm_>do'nt yell at me if this is not a smart thing to do ;)
06:10<sugarmice>It's only a desktop machine, not a server.
06:10<sugarmice>But once I work out the fix, I have about 1,300 boxes to do this to.
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06:11<Risjh>hi, synclient -m 1 works on a live cd but not on debian. I use the alps touchpad, anyone know whats wrong?
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06:12<Eulex>Risjh, are you using the synaptics driver?
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06:14<sugarmice>jm_: Looks like that works a treat. Now I have to figure out how to work that into our cfengine setup sensibly...
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06:16<roderyk_>I'm getting input/output errors while sometimes trying to save data to my disk. On the other hand, smartctl claims the drive is working fine with no errors. This is on a laptop with dm-crypt. Are these warnings about a failing drive, or is it possible I just have a bad fs/dm-crypt setup?
06:16<sugarmice>smartctl is not, in my experience, a very reliable indicator of whether a drive is dead or not
06:17<sugarmice>I've had both false positives and false negatives out of it
06:17<roderyk_>sugarmice: i see. Out of curiosity, though. If I try to ship the drive back, does IBM/lenovo (this is a thinkpad) look mostly at the smartctl reports or will they just take my word for it?
06:18<Risjh>Eulex, yes
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06:18<jm_>roderyk_: better run their disk testing tool on it first
06:18<Risjh>Eulex, the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package
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06:19<roderyk_>jm_: and if it passes that, most likely they won't take it, eh?
06:19<sugarmice>roderyk_: I doubt they'll look at the smartctl logs. That takes too long and costs them money to do. They'll probably jusy replace it.
06:19<Eulex>Risjh, and you're sure that xorg is actually configured to use it? in any case, make sure that the it's trying to use the right mouse device.
06:20<sugarmice>Yes, if this is IBM server kit, run their ROM diagnostics tool. That's what we always do before reporting dead disks in our BladeCenter hardware
06:20<sugarmice>The disk test routine in xSeries machines is fairly thorough
06:21<Eulex>Risjh, the devices are in /dev/input/, cat them and see which one outputs a lot of noice when you touch the touchpad.
06:21<sugarmice>And running that is one thing our IBM support guys *do* insist on
06:21<Risjh>Eulex, yes, i tried that
06:21<roderyk_>thanks for the advice. time to go run those diagnostics
06:21<Eulex>Risjh, and did any of them work?
06:21<Risjh>Eulex, earlier the tapping didnt work, so i changed the device to /dev/input/mouse0 and the protocol to "alps" and the tapping started to work
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06:22<Risjh>but synclient doesnt seem to respond, so g/ksynaptics is of no use
06:22<Eulex>Risjh, does the touchpad work at all now inside X?
06:22<Risjh>Eulex, yes it works
06:22<Risjh>Eulex, but the scrolling doesnt work
06:23<Risjh>Eulex, the movement and tapping works, but syclient doesnt show any changes, so i guess synclient is not able to locate it?
06:24<Eulex>Risjh, no idea
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07:11<flash8>debian boleh kenalan yach
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07:14<flash8>_Analucia apakabar nich?
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07:44<klando>hello, I didn't find info on howto to use/install a "clarion cx500 SAN" on a debian/etch. Someone have a good link ? or a tip ?
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07:45<sugarmice>Is that an HBA, or a SAN RAID array?
07:46<klando>SAN RAID
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07:47<klando>from linux I get some "Additional sense: Logical unit not ready, manual intervention required"
07:47<sugarmice>There shouldn't be anything you need to know; we use a number of SAN RAID products with Debian; just present the volumes you want to your Debian box, and they should just pop up as SCSI devices, as long as you have the right driver for your HBA installed.
07:48<klando>wich driver ?!
07:48<sugarmice>What sort of HBA do you have in the machine?
07:48<klando>I am confused, I am not admin of the SAN, and really not use to manage those hardware
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07:49<sugarmice>OK, so your machine must have a FibreChannel HBA device installed in order to connect to the SAN. Can you find out what that is?
07:49<klando>this ?
07:49<klando>15:06.0 Fibre Channel: Emulex Corporation Helios LightPulse Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 01)
07:49<sugarmice>Yep, that's it.
07:49<klando>i have two (redundant)
07:50<klando>2 hba 2 switch --> san
07:50<sugarmice>Ah, OK. That makes things more interesting, since you're going to need to set multipath up as well. :-)
07:50<klando>enjoy :-)
07:51<sugarmice>I'm not that much of an expert on this, but basically when your machine detects the presented LUN, you should find that several SCSI devices appear, one for each path to the device. For example, on most of our systems, each device appears four times
07:52<sugarmice>because we have dual HBA's and dual SAN fabrics
07:54<sugarmice>So the first thing to check is whether you're seeing the devices at all - when you booted the machine, or inserted the emulex module, did you get messages in dmesg showing the devices appearing? We get something like this with our QLogic HBA:
07:54<sugarmice>qla2xxx 0000:03:01.1: Found an ISP2312, irq 21, iobase 0xffffc20000038000
07:54<sugarmice> Vendor: COMPAQ Model: HSV110 (C)COMPAQ Rev: 3110
07:54<sugarmice> Type: RAID ANSI SCSI revision: 02
07:54<sugarmice> Vendor: <6>qla2xxx 0000:03:01.1: Configuring PCI space...
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07:54<sugarmice>and then a bit later
07:54<sugarmice>sd 1:0:2:1: Attached scsi disk sdb
07:54<sugarmice> Vendor: HP Model: HSV210 Rev: 5031
07:54<sugarmice> Type: RAID ANSI SCSI revision: 05
07:54<sugarmice> Vendor: HP Model: HSV210 Rev: 5031
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07:54<jm_>you should start using some paste websites
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07:55<klando>sugarmice: okay, tks
07:55<sugarmice>jm_: yes, I know. :-)
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07:55<klando>I am installing multipath and seing those things
07:56<klando>aptitude install multipath-tools
07:57<sugarmice>once you have that installed, you can use multipath -ll to check that it can see all the paths to the device
07:58<sugarmice>You should see that the device has a WWID which identifies it uniquely, and that you have something like 2 or 4 paths to the device
07:59<sugarmice>That looks good
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07:59<klando>oh ? really
07:59<sugarmice>apart from the failed for the last one
07:59<klando>and i think there must be more array
07:59<sugarmice>is that the new device that you were asking about?
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08:00<klando>typically because I have to take the 70 giga's drive for me
08:00<klando>and it does not appear here
08:00<klando>sugarmice: it is a fresh etch install, all new
08:01<klando>do you know what I can do whith that failed one ? options ?
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08:01<sugarmice>Does the device you're looking for appear in /proc/partitions?
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08:02<klando>not sure ...
08:03<klando>I go and knock (on) the san admin
08:03<bougi_B>hello. I try to install etch on HP7700. When booting from CD at "ACPI: assume root bridge ..." the installation simply forzes. Any ideas?
08:03<sugarmice>Your SAN admin should be able to tell you the WWID of the volumne he has presented to you. You can then look for that in your machine's logs, multipath output etc
08:03<klando>bougi noacpi
08:03<klando>on bootline
08:04<bougi_B>klando: ok I 'll try that
08:04<klando>sugarmice: I go, and see if windows admin tool provide this ...
08:04<klando>bougi_B: look forward to the F6 or so key
08:04<klando>on boot
08:05<jm_>those options are described there too
08:05<jm_>or at least mentioned
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08:06<sugarmice>klando: Also check that you can see the RAID device itself in /proc/scsi/scsi, and that it's the one you expect
08:06<sugarmice>But I'm afraid you're reaching the limits of my SAN powers. :-)
08:09<klando>sugarmice: you were very helpfull
08:09<klando>thank you, the san admin just came back from lunch
08:10<klando>he didn't power the lun to my box ..... (no comment, he is a chief)
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08:13<bougi_B>I tried $install noacpi , but with no success. The funny thing is that I still get ACPI:... messages?
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08:14<scimmiapazza>I'm looking for some good graphic programs..
08:15<klando>bougi_B: have you loog at the Fx info page on boot ?
08:16<jm_>it's noapic nolapic pci=nommc acpi=off
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08:18<klando>jm_: and pci)noacpi ?
08:19<bougi_B>klando: yes. It says some info about the options available. The example stated there is "install option option" etc. There are options like these.
08:19<jm_>klando: no, try the above as it is
08:19<bougi_B>I tried jm_'s and it works
08:19<klando>bougi_B use the jm_ options
08:19<klando>oh good:)
08:20<jm_>pci=nommc is often needed and enough with modern hardware I think
08:20<jm_>bougi_B: 7700 - we get 7800's nowadays :)
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08:21<bougi_B>jm_: now the installer can't find the CD :-). 7700s is what the universty bought as new one :-)
08:21<swami>hi al
08:21<swami>do u have knowledge of a respiner for debian?
08:21<sugarmice>bougi_B: Is this a Deskpro dc7700? I'm using one of those with Etch right now...
08:22<jm_>swami: what is a respiner?
08:22<swami>u know pungi project
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08:23<sugarmice>bougi_B: I think the ACPI kernel option is the only thing you need - I'll just check the kernel options I use with FAI...
08:23<jm_>to create custom Debian CD-s or what?
08:23<swami>let's u play with the package u install in the instalation step
08:23<jm_>d-i Wiki has steps for that
08:23<bougi_B>sugarmice: the label says dc7700. it's a tower (the orientation I mean)
08:23<jm_>then there's debian-live project, not sure what you want
08:24<swami>well i must work for a school project
08:24<bougi_B>sugarmice: did you had issues like these on your's?
08:24<swami>and i must add some packages and some configuration on a preexisting distro
08:24<sugarmice>bougi_B: I have the low profile version, but it should require the same installation flags. Yes, I did have the same problem.
08:24<jm_>I was about to get DC7100 but I said no thanks, opted for no-name Athlon64 box ;)
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08:25<bougi_B>jm_: I have a noname FX and and old sempron home :-) no problems there!
08:25<sugarmice>bougi_B: The only thing I have in the kernel command line to make it work is acpi=off
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08:26<swami>i've found something on ubuntu..but it requires a lot fo space...for miirroring and stuff
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08:26<sugarmice>Apart from that I'm using a standard etch kernel
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08:27<swami>i'l try the d_i
08:27<debed>heyy can anyone tell how to check a test.php file
08:27<jm_>debed: nope
08:27<debed>i installed apache2 and php5
08:28<debed>but i am unable to see the php conf file
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08:29<martijn>did you enable the module?
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08:30<bougi_B>sugarmice: I tried the installation with only "install acpi=off" but the installer later still can't find the cdrom
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08:35<debed>heyy anybody help me how to setup a LAMP
08:35<debed>in DEBIAN
08:36<debed>I need to use my system as a server
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08:36<martijn>debed: did you check the module in apache conf?
08:37<debed>martijn, no
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08:37<martijn>apache 1.X or 2.X
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08:41<swami>lamd or lamp
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08:42<martijn>debed: if you don't offer information it will never work
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08:44<chealer>martijn: [09:28:42] <debed> i installed apache2 and php5
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08:44<martijn>chealer: I missed that one
08:45<chealer>debed: do not send private messages without asking for permission first.
08:45<martijn>debed: see if the modules are enabled in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
08:45<chealer>if you have a question, ask here
08:45<debed>chealer, srry
08:46<debed>martijn, how to enable them
08:46<debed>martijn, can u temme how to do it
08:46<bougi_B>hey guys thanks for the help, bye!
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08:47<padski>debed: man a2enmod
08:47<seanius>don't forget to restart apache, too
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08:50<scimmiapazza>I know that this question is asked hundred times but.. Is debian unstable ok for desktop or it has many problemS?
08:50<JasonS>scimmiapazza: its ok only if you can fix it yourself when it breaks
08:51<martijn>Unstable is quiet stable lately
08:51<scimmiapazza><JasonS> I'm a newbie-medium user I think.. Is it like gentoo unstable?
08:51<chealer>scimmiapazza: the usage doesn't matter, the user does. if you have to ask, unstable is not for you.
08:53<JasonS>scimmiapazza: no idea, never ran gentoo but like chealer said
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08:54<padski>debed: do not send private messages without asking for permission first
08:55<scimmiapazza>ALways that phrase.. Evrybody had never asked something..ookk..
08:55<scimmiapazza>Thany you ;) bye
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09:16<klando>sugarmice: I am still confused....I have a correct multipath -ll output (afais) but not able to mkfs on any device ( )
09:18<sugarmice>1) I'd suggest you put the device in LVM, rather than mkfs directly
09:18<klando>I have it !!
09:18<sugarmice>2) The device you need to access should be the device mapper name for it, so:
09:18<klando>sugarmice: you are right, but this partition will be removed as soon as my benchs finished
09:19<sugarmice>pvcreate /dev/mapper/360060160ef901900b266d265957cdc11
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09:19<sugarmice>or dm-0, I guess that would work too. I always use the WWID
09:19<lupine_nx>what sort of a name is that? Oo
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09:20<lupine_nx>/dev/main-lenny_i386 <-- a name
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09:20<sugarmice>I know - horrible name, but it does uniquely identify the SAN device with a name that the SAN administrator will understand as well
09:20<sugarmice>That's why I use LVM as well, I put the mapper SAN devices in sensibly named LVM volumes
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09:23<klando>sugarmice: using the /Dev/mapper/WWID didn't work (don't ask me why)
09:23<klando>'cause I first try by this dev as I prefer using --id too
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09:23<sugarmice>For example on one of my systems:
09:23<klando>anyway, I (k)now have a 70 gb
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09:24<klando>sugarmice: yes lvm is a great tool ( is zfs opening is code soruce ?)
09:25<sugarmice>Well, zfs is available if you use OpenSolaris, I suppose.
09:25<sugarmice>I've had a play with Nexenta (OpenSolaris kernel and C library, Debian userland) and it's quite nice
09:26<debed>heyy can anyone
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09:26<debed>help me sorting out of installation of php and mysql
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09:26<debed>and apache
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09:31<martijn>debed: does php now work ?
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09:31<debed>martijn, no
09:31<debed>martijn, can i chat withu private
09:32<Eulex>debed, no you don't.
09:32<debed>ok..letme say something
09:32<martijn>debed: perhaps later Im leaving now
09:33<debed>when im opening a browser and typing "localhost" I am getting IT works!
09:33<debed>taht means apache is working rite
09:33<debed>martijn, please
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09:34<azeem>debed: yes
09:34<debed>azeem, but in theterminal when i type /etc/init.d/apache2 start
09:35<debed>debsys:/home/bharat# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
09:35<debed>Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
09:35<debed>httpd (pid 17966) already running
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09:36<themill>!tell debed about paste
09:36<debed>what does that mean
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09:38<azeem>debed: what does what mean?
09:39<debed>azeem, hmmm
09:39<debed>azeem, can i ping u in privayte
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09:39<Eulex>debed, it means that you didn't tell apache2 the domain name of the server.
09:39<azeem>try to learn to express yourself properly here
09:40<Eulex>debed, and that apache (or another web server) is already running.
09:41<debed>Eulex, So do u think I have installed apache2 properly
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09:41<Eulex>debed, yes. but not configured.
09:42<debed>Eulex, can u tellme how to configure apache then
09:42<azeem>debed: did you try to read the documentation?
09:42<azeem>if you want to run a web server on the internet, you should know a bit about what you're doing
09:42<debed>azeem, no
09:43<azeem>debed: I suggest you do so first, and come back with questions if you don't manage to configure it yourself
09:44<debed>azeem, actually i have no time...otherwise i shud have trie in that I am depending upon IRC
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09:49<bzed>debed: take your time, otherwise you'll learn it the hard way (as in: broken configuration and weird people doing weird things on your server)
09:49<bzed>debed: if you neither have time nor want to read the docs, find somebody know knows about things and pay them
09:50<debed>bzed, but its a local server..i shall definitely study ,.but i ahd a sudden requirement of installing a content managemnt need to have all these apache,php5,mysql
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09:50<debed>okie srry to u all
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09:50<debed>bbyee...srry to disturb u all...
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09:50<azeem>you're welcome to stay
09:51<azeem>you just can't expect from us to do your configuration
09:51<azeem>we can help with specific problems, though
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10:25<manphiz>how big is a basic system? I'm preparing a basic system in case my sid crash :)
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10:26<lupine_nx>manphiz: a chroot fits in just under 150MB
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10:27<manphiz>lupine_nx, Wow, that's small enough, thanks
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10:32<cwood_>Good morning. Having a problem with foomatic-gswrapper script, it's trying to call gs-esp in SID even after the ghostscript upgrade. That said, I can't find a reference to gs-esp anywhere in the script. Anybody with foomatic-filters installed who'd be able to help me track down the problem?
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10:41<@Ganneff>wanglin: try english
10:41<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:41<wanglin>my english is poor
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10:51<Diablo-D3>hey all
10:51<Diablo-D3>on xen, for a domu debian, do I want the linux-image-xen kernel or the linux-image-xen-vserver kernel?
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10:55<Guest1969>x x
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10:56<oigres>I've got a panasonic recorder (RR-US320). It connects to the usb, and some /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 and the like modules are created when connected to the usb port. Is there a way I can mount the device or read the information inside the device?
10:57<Diablo-D3>oigres: read the manual that came with the device
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10:58<oigres>Diablo-D3, the manual says nothing about linux of course.
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10:59<hexmode>YANJAY: EVERYONE LEFT!
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11:04<ZZT32>Having some trouble with the installation of Etch on my old machine. Well, more specifically with GRUB. Anyone know what "error 17" is? :/
11:05<sheldonh>ZZT32: google
11:05<ZZT32>Google isn't helping :/
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11:06<padski>last time I googled for a grub error number I got about three completely different meanings :-)
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11:06<sheldonh>ZZT32: what are you searching for?
11:07<ZZT32>Debian is installed on a logical partition, would that have anything to say? sheldonh: grub+"error 17"
11:07<manphiz>what I've googled is "Error 17 claims that the partition that you're attempting to boot is of a format that GRUB does not recognize."
11:07<sheldonh>ZZT32: learn to google :)
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11:07<sheldonh>ZZT32: google for: grub "error 17"
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11:07<ZZT32>Ok another thing just happened >>
11:08<ZZT32>I boot up with Gparted which has a GRUB command line
11:08<ZZT32>and apparently -
11:08<ZZT32>"Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS"
11:08<ZZT32>I guess it doesn't like my 250GB HD
11:08<sheldonh>ZZT32: the advice in the very first google result may very well sort that out :)
11:08<ZZT32>Will Debian install comfortably on a 4GB disk?
11:08<ZZT32>sheldonh, I'll check it out.
11:09<sheldonh>ZZT32: depends on what you want. our server build uses 1.5GB
11:09<ZZT32>Well just normal Etch with no fancy stuff
11:10<sheldonh>ZZT32: again, it depends what you install. for example, a desktop environment will require MUCH more
11:10<sheldonh>there's no normal etch :)
11:10<ZZT32>heh :-P
11:10<ZZT32>4GB adequate?
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11:11<sheldonh>ZZT32: adequate for a desktop install? i _think_ so, but can't tell you for sure
11:12<ZZT32>Alright, thanks for your help. I'm pretty sure my problem stems from the 8 year old BIOS, haha.
11:12<sheldonh>no doubt
11:13<undercoder>hello all, my HP LASER 1018 install but not print, and i installed the new driver anyone help me?
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11:14<oigres>I've got a panasonic recorder (RR-US320). It connects to the usb, and some /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 and the like modules are created when connected to the usb port. Is there a way I can mount the device or read the information inside the device?
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11:21<nvelixzee>hello. On a new install of etch, I am getting a md5sum mismatch when installing flashplugin-nonfree. I have dl'd three times using two different mirrors. google shows four or five links in other languages, none for english.
11:21<nvelixzee>any suggestions or help appreciated
11:22<nvelixzee>see for error
11:23<Eulex>nvelixzee, you're sure that the package isn't cached on your own box?
11:23<Eulex>ah, nvm
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11:23<ZZT32>You could also just download it directly from Macromedia's website
11:23<Eulex>I guess they updated the tarball at the server.
11:24<nvelixzee>ZZT32: yes will do that instead
11:24<nvelixzee>Eulex: Is that the issue? It is referring to just the .tar.gz file isn't it.
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11:25<Eulex>nvelixzee, yeah
11:25<nvelixzee>probably the tar.gz file is ok, I'm guessing
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11:26<fryselectronics>i've searched the web left and right about this video card (VT8601A Trident VGA) .. what driver should I use for x11.. i've tried trident, vesa, and vga...
11:26<fryselectronics>all of them perform terribly
11:26<nvelixzee>think I'll test it out, throw those two files into the plugins dir. brb
11:27<Eulex>nvelixzee, still you should make sure that you haven't got a caching http proxy between you and the internet.
11:27<Eulex>fryselectronics, the trident driver didn't work well?
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11:28<fryselectronics>Eulex: not at all... x11 crawled....
11:28<Eulex>fryselectronics, oh
11:28<Eulex>fryselectronics, checked the man page of the driver?
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11:29<nvelixzee>Eulex: yes, I was assuming none. If I change mirrors, I would not get the old cached file though, I think.
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11:30<Eulex>nvelixzee, I'm not following. changing the debian mirror you're using surely won't change anything
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11:31<Eulex>fryselectronics, sadly the man page of the trident driver doesn't say anything about any 8601, nor any 86xx or 8xxx series trident card,
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11:33<padski>fryselectronics: nice system!
11:33<nvelixzee>Eulex: sorry, I was thinking that one mirror had a corrupted file, and switching mirrors might get a good md5sum'd file
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11:34<nvelixzee>but it is very very doubtful
11:34<oigres>I've got a panasonic recorder (RR-US320). It connects to the usb, and some /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 and the like modules are created when connected to the usb port. Is there a way I can mount the device or read the information inside the device?
11:34<Eulex>nvelixzee, if that was the case, the debian package wouldn't even unpack.
11:34<oigres>s /modules/device
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11:34<nvelixzee>I see. thanks for the info!
11:35<Eulex>nvelixzee, y'know, it too has md5 sums
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11:38<fryselectronics>padski: well x11 performs horribly on it.. i dont think its so nice at the momment
11:39<nvelixzee>well the libflash stuff appears to function fine. Now Dr. F can get bombarded with ads. Thanks for the assistance!
11:39<ZZT32>I wish Flash performed faster in Linux :<
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11:46<padski>fryselectronics: I would have thought linux support would be in important consideration for the manufacturer of such a system. who makes the mobo ?
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11:46<undercoder>how i install one printer HP laser 1018?
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11:51<fryselectronics>padski: from all i can tell without physically ordering one... it is supported by linux
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11:53<padski>fryselectronics: I'm confused. you don't have one ? how do you know about the performance ? you have the same chipset in a diferent system ??
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11:55<kleinlaut>I just setup a postfix+courier imap on a fresh debian etch
11:55<fryselectronics>padski: i misread.. i thought you were saying i should have considered the linux support before purchase
11:55<kleinlaut>I can't connect to my account using thunderbird
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11:56<fryselectronics>padski: i ordered one to test the linux support... lex makes the mother board.. its a cv860B
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11:56<kleinlaut>how can I test that everythings work fine on the NAT side?
11:56<kleinlaut>I'm trying to connect from my own network
11:57<kleinlaut>BTW I set up SSL
11:57<kleinlaut>but both on 143 and 993
11:58<kleinlaut>thunderbird won't connect
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11:58<Knorrie>kleinlaut: what do you mean by 'the NAT side'
11:59<ZZT32>Ok, kinda retarded question here >>; But why when you CD into a symlinked directory and do "ls .." is prints the err wrong thing?
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11:59<Eulex>ZZT32, a symlink is just a link. ls .. will print the contents of the _real_ parent directory.
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12:00<kleinlaut>Knorrie, on my gateway I did NAT 993 & 143 to the mail server
12:00<ZZT32>Eulex, any fix for that? ^^
12:00<kleinlaut>but I suspect that something is wrong on that side
12:00<Knorrie>kleinlaut: so you're on the mailserver's side of the gateway
12:00<Eulex>ZZT32, . and .. are actual directory _entries_ in a directory. they are not just "shortcuts" to the parent directory and the current directory.
12:00<Supaplex>ZZT32: it's not a bug.
12:00<kleinlaut>because I am using my domaine name
12:00<ZZT32>Sorry for being retarded
12:01<kleinlaut>to return in my own network
12:01<ZZT32>I knew that, just didn't think it through >_<
12:01<Knorrie>kleinlaut: probably you're trying to look through a window from outside to inside while you're inside... see, that wont wort
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12:01<Eulex>ZZT32, so if you link a to b, when you cd into a, and ls .., you will see the contents of the parent directory of b, because you're accessing the .. entry in b.
12:01<Supaplex>ZZT32: we'll help you decide when you're a retard, but for the time being you're fine. we all start somewhere.
12:02<ZZT32>Heh :-P
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12:03<fxiny>Supaplex: hey i've sticked bitlbee in a vserver :)))
12:03<Supaplex>fxiny: cool :)
12:04<fxiny>Supaplex: you you you ! haha :)
12:04<Supaplex>fxiny: so how do you like it so far?
12:04<kleinlaut>Knorrie, yes i think i am in that case, so how can I test my mailserver?
12:04<fxiny>Supaplex: i'm totally addicted to it !
12:05<fxiny>Supaplex: it blows my mind : the way i can do things :)
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12:06<Supaplex>fxiny: nice :) Most of my testing guests borrow /home from the host. makes it nice.
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12:08<fxiny>Supaplex: yes yes ! that's what i mean : testing is so nice this way . i think i won't go back to "normal"
12:08<fxiny>Supaplex: i'll try on this old box over the weekend
12:09<mildner>good can I install b2evolution on a webpage
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12:13<fxiny>Supaplex: borrowing /home from the host ? cool cool coool : so i can stick vsftpd in a vserver :)
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12:13<Supaplex>you can do what ever you wants. :p
12:14<fxiny>Supaplex: heheheh
12:14<Supaplex>i'm going to toy with the idea of binding /etc/passwd* /etc/shadow* and /etc/group* to.
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12:14<padski>fryselectronics: frame buffer ?
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12:15<fxiny>Supaplex: first thing i tried : irssi chrooted in a scren session connected to bitlbee in a vrserver
12:15[~]Supaplex fires up picasa, in hopes ... it won't flip out again.
12:15<fxiny>Supaplex: binding pass* ? NICE !
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12:16<padski>fryselectronics: any use ?
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12:20[~]Supaplex purges picasa
12:20<fxiny>for a dime you can do a SCO opa :P
12:20<Supaplex>~quote scox
12:20<dpkg>SCOX: 0.2219 (0.28/0.1847), 10/17/2007 12:11pm, Opened 0.28, Volume 184,148, Change -0.0181
12:21<fxiny>what about the other idiot ? the patented idiot ?
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12:23[~]fxiny as Zorro said : picasa tu casa
12:24<Supaplex>more like, The following packages will be REMOVED: picasa{p} After unpacking 82.3MB will be freed.
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12:25<fxiny>82.3 ? what a bloathed PIhouse
12:26<fxiny>/dev/hdb1 2.5G 2.0G 400M 84% /
12:26<Supaplex>yea I know, it cost a whole 16.4 cents in storage.
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12:29<kleinlaut>Hi! How can I test a mailserver (postfix+courier-imap SSL) from the network with thunderbird it won't work :(
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12:29<kleinlaut>I can use a shell account on a bsd machine thougt
12:30<Supaplex>!tell kleinlaut -about don't work
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12:31<JasonS>kleinlaut: postfix log files say what?
12:31<petemc>swaks is good for testing MTAs
12:31<kleinlaut>JasonS, nothing because I'm inside the network so thunderbird
12:31<kleinlaut>just can't reach the server
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12:32<JasonS>then look at the mua, its not set up correctly i bet, have you tried a different one?
12:32<kleinlaut>Supaplex, telnet is not enouph to browse mail and everything or I am wrong ?
12:32<petemc>if you're not using ssl telnet is fine
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12:33<kleinlaut>well what I wanted was a client that can identify and everything
12:33<petemc>same applies
12:34<kleinlaut>petemc, sorry i don't understand
12:34<petemc>or use swaks, as ive said
12:34<kleinlaut>ok I look into that
12:34<the-dude>kleinlaut, why don't you first setup a postfix+imap and if that works add the ssl
12:34<kleinlaut>thank you
12:35<petemc>you can telnet to a port and authenticate, if you dont require ssl
12:35<petemc>openssl s_client can be used to test ssl ports..
12:35<JasonS>the-dude: scrool up, isnt that what they have
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12:36<kleinlaut><JasonS> then look at the mua, its not set up correctly i bet, have you tried a different one?
12:36<kleinlaut>yes thunderbird and evolution
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12:37<JasonS>and neither connect? have you tried petemcs suggestion?
12:37<kleinlaut>the-dude, petemc, OK i'll try telnet just a sec
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12:38<kleinlaut>sory I'm not s familiar
12:38<kleinlaut>whith all this
12:38<the-dude>kleinlaut, try netstat -tan and see if anythings happens
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12:47<kleinlaut>from my bsd shell it seems to work when I do "telnet mydomain 143"
12:47<Supaplex>can I have some suggestions on how to isolate why ssh *sometimes* is not running after startup? I have an amd64-etch install.
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12:48[~]Supaplex digs into the logs again, might not find anything still.
12:48<martijn>Supaplex: perhaps a timeout, or lack of entropy?
12:48<Supaplex>nm. asking the question seems to help. somehow that magically made the syslog entry I wanted appear. :P
12:49<Supaplex>it cannot bind to the address. I think it's a race with dhcp or something.
12:50<the-dude>can't you give it a static ip ?
12:51<petemc>if thats case, it would be worth reporting a bug
12:51<petemc>i would make sure that is the problem first, tho
12:51<kleinlaut>is there a way to use thunderbird on my postfix_imap mailserver from the network inwich the server is?
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12:51<petemc>kleinlaut: theres no reason that shouldnt work
12:51<Supaplex>it bothers me to set something static when I have dhcp. My subnet *might* change later, so I'd rather centrally manage it.
12:52<the-dude>Supaplex, then use dhcp 2 give it a static ip ;)
12:52<fxiny>kleinlaut: check thunderbird settings
12:53<kleinlaut>petemc, really! what about what Knorrie said:
12:53<kleinlaut><Knorrie> kleinlaut: probably you're trying to look through a window from outside to inside while you're inside... see, that wont wort
12:53<petemc>kleinlaut: unless you're using the hostname, which resolves to an external address, and the gateway is acting funny..
12:53<kleinlaut>that is actually what I do
12:53<petemc>ah, yes
12:54<petemc>well, it will work unless, as i said, the gateway is funny
12:54<petemc>its easy to work around that, if that is the issue
12:54<petemc>put the internal ip of the imap server in thunderbird
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12:55<petemc>it wont go anywhere near the gateway, assuming its on the same network
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12:55<Supaplex>the-dude: it *is* assigned by the dhcp server.
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12:57<the-dude>Supaplex, how about configuring a static ip and see if that solves the problem
12:58<Supaplex>that creates another problem of 'decentralized' management.
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12:58<the-dude>yeah but if it works you have pinpointed the problem
12:58<petemc>if there really was an issue with ssh and dhcp, you would have to think it would have come up elsewhere by now
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13:06<Supaplex>petemc, the-dude
13:07<Supaplex>sshd is configured to use a specific ip to advert contention with vserver guests. hummm
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13:11<nattfodd>hi, how can I check whether the kernel modules are present on my install media (a usb key) and which kernel version they corrrespond to?
13:12<nattfodd>the installer complains it can't find them
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13:13<sangryghot>nattfodd: try lsmod
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13:14<nattfodd>sangryghot: it shows a lot of stuff being already loaded
13:14<the-dude>Supaplex, It looks weird, seems like the dhcp offer is too "slow"
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13:14<nattfodd>which makes the installer message all the more confusing
13:14<sangryghot>nattfodd lsmod | grep PatterYouLookFor
13:14<nattfodd>sangryghot: I'm not looking for any pattern
13:15<nattfodd>I just want to install :)
13:15<nattfodd>so are the "kernel modules" that the installer wants the same than the ones which are loaded in the installer kernel?
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13:16<sangryghot>nattfodd: which installer? for an OS, for a programm?
13:16<nattfodd>for lenny
13:17<sangryghot>nattfodd: lsmod doesn't show the required modules - than modprobe moduleName
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13:20<fxiny>Supaplex: i use dnsmasq . if i uncomment #listen-address= if fails . so i just leave uncommented interface=eth1 and it binds to : tcp* LISTEN 2320/dnsmasq
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13:22<Supaplex>fxiny: you've lost me on context. are you asking me for help? offering it?
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13:23<fxiny>Supaplex: i'm not asking :)
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13:23<grasn`>hey, i like to install debian the first time. are the DVD 2 and DVD 3 required for installation or only software packages
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13:23<hector>need help with e2fsck
13:23<fxiny>Supaplex: ssh has only ListenAddress options , dnsmasq has two
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13:25<JasonS>hector: /quit works
13:25<hector>Hey Jason, a little help plz.
13:26<hector>1st time in irc
13:26<Supaplex>hector: just ask then
13:26<grasn`>i like to install debian the first time. are the DVD 2 and DVD 3 required for installation or only software packages
13:26<hector>U c, I did, here is the question again
13:26<hector>Need to run e2fsck on / partition
13:26<Supaplex>grasn`: you only really need netinst
13:27<grasn`>oki thx
13:27<hector>I extended the Volume
13:27<hector>now it is failing fsck during boot-up
13:27<Supaplex>you extended? how?
13:27<hector>I need to <CTRL-D> to exit
13:27<grasn`>Supaplex: brings the netinstall some default software?
13:27<hector>First, partition a new SATA drive
13:27<Supaplex>!tell grasn` -about netinst
13:27<grasn`>or is it just OS
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13:28<Supaplex>grasn`: base install. then use apt and friends.
13:28<hector>then did couple of commands, pvrceate, then vgextend, then fsresize
13:28<grasn`>oki thx, i'll try
13:28<hector>Supaplez is the guru, right?
13:28<hector>Supaplex, sorry :-)
13:28<Supaplex>Supaplex is still learning of your issue
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13:29<hector>Cool, I can wait.
13:29<Supaplex>hector: is lvm running "/"?
13:29<hector>Need details?
13:29[~]fxiny wonders how a vguru looks like
13:29<Supaplex>the lvm2 howto was pretty clean cut for me.
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13:30<grasn`>Supaplex: so i can run the Netinst from windows?
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13:30<Supaplex>grasn`: no, that's what is for
13:30<grasn`>lol :>
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13:31<Supaplex>hector: did you fsck before rebooting?
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13:32<Supaplex>hector: lvm on / is considerably more advanced.
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13:32<nattfodd>does anyone know if the debian installer can use wifi?
13:33<hector>During install, I went for guided partitioning with LVM.
13:34<hector>When I issue the command "mount" I get the following error:
13:35<hector>Lets try again, I did not escape the "/"
13:35<hector>"/dev/mapper/LogicalVolume1-root on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
13:36<hector>The Volume extend and fsresize commands worked ok.
13:36<hector>The / is now bigger.
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13:36<hector>You see, I thought that fsresize does a fsck....:-(
13:37<Supaplex>no, but it most always demands one before it continues
13:37<Supaplex>what did you do after resize2fs?
13:37<hector>du -h
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13:37<Supaplex>then reboot?
13:37<hector>no, sorry, df
13:38<hector>df -h
13:38<Supaplex>that won't affect your issue. anything else?
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13:39<hector>I would like to clear this boot error message, U got an easy way?
13:39<hector>I would prefer not to!
13:39<Supaplex>that's why we're discussing this. I have no easy quick fix
13:40<hector>U said LVM on / is "advanced"??
13:40<Supaplex>so after you ran 'df -h', what did you do next?
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13:40<hector>I feel good now... :-)
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13:40<hector>Not much, after df -h, I noticed more space, so I continued what I was doing.
13:41<Supaplex>I don't gather why it would fail
13:41<hector>I am trying Alfresco, to have a webserver for office collaboration.
13:41<grasn`>Supaplex: i dont realy understand. do i need to mount the image in dowdows, and run it? or burn on cd and boot?
13:41<hector>Before putting it into production, I want to make sure the server passed a clean health-check.
13:42<Supaplex>grasn`: burn the netinst cd, or run the download from (non-descructive if you pay attention to the install; resises ntfs).
13:42<hector>Clean re-boot, All sevices started, you know...
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13:42<Supaplex>hector: previously you said you were going to show us an error. I think that was a line from /etc/fstab, but not the error.
13:43<Supaplex>18:35 < hector> "/dev/mapper/LogicalVolume1-root on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
13:43<Supaplex>well, not fstab, but the output of mount.
13:43<Supaplex>anyway, what's the show stopping error message?
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13:44<hector>During boot-up it fails fsck, goes into a shell, and asks for <CTRL-D> to continue.
13:44<hector>Thus, the server hangs, does not finish booting up.
13:44<hector>Thus, I think I need to somehow pass the fsck.
13:45<Supaplex>oh, well fsck it then
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13:45<hector>fsck gives error.
13:45<Supaplex>which is?
13:45<hector>hold on, I give it another try.
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13:47<hector>Now I get a warning on SEVERE fs damage on mounted fs.
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13:47<hector>Do i want 2 continue???
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13:47<Supaplex>!tell hector -about rescue
13:47<Supaplex>I think you'll want to reboot off the install cd, and fsck from a rescue env
13:48<hector>System boots, server is running.
13:48<shane>u wot
13:48<hector>Would U like me to reboot?
13:48<shane>im new to this
13:48<hector>I give errors to you as they appear
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13:49<hector>Thanks for the dpkg, I will look into it.
13:49<dpkg>no problem, hector
13:49<Supaplex>hector: see the msg dpkg sent you.
13:50<hector>Where in the FAQ need I focus?
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13:50<dpkg>somebody said rescue was at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
13:50<Supaplex>hector: ^^^
13:51<hector>ok, got it.
13:51<shane>hey can anybody help me to install something like limewire or lomewire itself thankyou
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13:54<Supaplex>bittorrent > limewire
13:54<shane>ok done that before but have no idea how to install
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13:55<hector>R u guys sure this is what I need to do?
13:55<shane>is there a code or something i can use in the terminal for limewire
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13:56<hector>Supaplex? dpkg?
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13:57<Supaplex>hector: I'd say fsck where you are, *but* you're very likely to kernel panic when you fsck a mounted filesystem (even if said fs is readonly)
13:58<hector>Nah, I don't want to make things worse.
13:58<hector>The FAQ confused me evenmore.
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13:58<hector>where do you issue "d-i"
13:58<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
13:59<Supaplex>that's (on) the installer cd
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13:59<hector>So, c if this is right: 1-Reboot with install DEBIANCD, and then go into rescue mode.
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14:00<hector>During normal reboot, it does provide a prompt for root password
14:00<Supaplex>hector: get the installer seeing the partitions (detect hardware, filesystems, etc), then jump to a shell on tty2
14:01<hector>Ok, I just issued reboot, but without the cd
14:01<hector>Ok, it's off.
14:01<Supaplex>let us know when you're at my last suggestion
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14:02<hector>I'll be right back!!
14:04<Supaplex>ok, we'll hide!
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14:14<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
14:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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14:16<sasha>hi could anybody explain me what is exim4 for and if i could uninstall it
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14:16<sasha>i mean i know it is an mta but is it used by any other programs ?
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14:17<oggei>sasha: lot of things can use it
14:17<asdasfasfa>hi how can ı download debian unstable iso
14:17<oggei>cron, for example
14:17<Lounge>sasha: metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation
14:17<Lounge> Exim (v4) is a mail transport agent. exim4 is the metapackage depending
14:17<Lounge> on the essential components for a basic exim4 installation.
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14:17<Lounge>i think
14:18<sasha>evolution for exemple don t use it ? no ?
14:18<oggei>it depends
14:18<patricio>hey guys.....I am running the have installed the fglrx driver for 3d acceleration and have got it working.....partially, 'when I do a "fglrxinfo", it gives me the "Mesa Project"......I have this -----> solution ---->, "or possible solution", and would like someone to read it and explain to me how to confirm I have specified correctly what should be........ty
14:18<oggei>but you should really want a /sbin/sendmail on ur box
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14:18<sasha>ok so it is more like a base package under debian
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14:18<oggei>or /usr/sbin btw
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14:19<sasha>used for expemle to send admin mails ....
14:19<asdasfasfa>hey how can ı download debian unstable iso
14:19<rikitan>hi, I am using aptitude. What is the command to print content of a package?
14:19<liable>you dont
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14:20<sasha>so does anybody know how to reduce the starting time of exim4 cause it take too long on my desktop computer
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14:20<patricio>hey guys.....I am running the have installed the fglrx driver for 3d acceleration and have got it working.....partially, 'when I do a "fglrxinfo", it gives me the "Mesa Project"......I have this -----> solution ---->, "or possible solution", and would like someone to read it and explain to me how to confirm I have specified correctly what should be........ty
14:20<oggei>asdasfasfa: use a testing image, choosing unstable later, in expert mode
14:20<Lounge>use: apt-cache show <name of app> to find out what it is & what it does
14:20<Lounge>and if its installed
14:21<oggei>sasha: you can replace it with ssmtp, a very light relay-only mta
14:21<patricio>chealer: you got a sec?
14:21<oggei>it's probably a network timeout, at boot
14:21<chealer>patricio: yes...
14:21<chealer>patricio: why do you use on lenny?
14:21<sasha>oggei : thanks .. yes i think also it is a timeout but the etc files of exim 4 are weir
14:21<patricio>chealer: thanx......I use what it tells
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14:22<patricio>chealer: look at this post.....and help me confirm it on my box.......
14:22<chealer>patricio: what tells you to use that? lenny doesn't contain that version.
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14:22<oggei>sasha: if you aren't planning to serve mail on tcp sockets (that is, maintain a true mail server) you can safely replace it with ssmtp
14:23<sasha>oggei thanks
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14:23<oggei>it's a /usr/sbin/sendmail configurable for relay-only mailing
14:23<patricio>chealer: I do a 'uname -r' and that is what it gives......I 'vi' /etc/debian_version and it gives me lenny/sid.......go figure?
14:23<oggei>i think there is something useful in debian guides
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14:23<oggei>for the mta stuff
14:24<hector>ok, i'm back, now rebboting w. installcd
14:24<chealer>patricio: that's because you booted Linux, yes, but why didn't you boot 2.6.22?
14:24<sasha>but il looks like debian install it by default so , i was afraid about removing it but many thanks i ll go to more investigation under google
14:24<oggei>debian install is a consistent stack of replaceable pieces ;)
14:24<patricio>chealer: fglrx will not work on 2.6.22.......
14:25<chealer>patricio: why?
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14:25<MikePer>hello. I try to install an Intelliport II to my debian box, is there a driver available?
14:25<patricio>chealer: thats a good question.......had all sorts of issues......and I rebooted and tried it in 2.6.18....and it worked.....
14:25<sasha>patricio : you should not used the ati driver from the repository better download the 8.41.7 from amd site
14:26<hector>Is Supaplex still here?
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14:26<chealer>sasha: why?
14:27<sasha>cause the one from the repository are not up to date and there are actually a lot of philosphy modification in the ati driver release
14:27<chealer>patricio: well, you should try getting it to work, because is old.
14:27<hector>to go into vtty2, its >alt-f5<???
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14:27<chealer>sasha: "philosphy modifications"? such as?
14:27<patricio>chealer: everything in 2.6.18 pertaining to the fglrx is working.....except when I do a 'flgrxinfo', it tells me the 'Mesa Project'.......something about "XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0.........
14:27<sasha>normaly , for exemple in a few day the 8.42 sould be release with better support for all their card and AIXGL support (compiz ).........
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14:28<sasha>and there is nomake / make install procedure , it is shipped like a windows proggs and it installs really easy
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14:29<chealer>sasha: I don't see why one should use it because of that, but anyway, we're now, not in a few days
14:29<sasha>for me , i have an ati hd 2400
14:29<sasha>it is only recognised by the 8.41.7 driver witchcan be found only on the amd site
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14:31<sasha>and another reason is that only the newer version recognize the newer kernel
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14:31<chealer>patricio: which fglrx version do you use?
14:31<patricio>chealer: sorry bout that
14:31<patricio>chealer: I rebooted into what I am running on now
14:32<chealer>patricio: fglrx won't work on 2.6.21 nor 2.6.20. use either 2.6.18, or 2.6.22 ideally.
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14:32<patricio>chealer: ok.......well, how do I get 2.6.22?
14:33<chealer>patricio: install it
14:33<patricio>chealer: I know it works on 2.6.18.......that is what I was on
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14:33<sasha>i m trying to use my screen webvam with amsn , for that i used uvcvideo module , it recognise my webcam but i have error with all the progs , is there another module or method
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14:34<sasha>patricio : what is your graphic card model
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14:34<patricio>sasha: a Radeon Mobility X1400
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14:36<sasha>patrcio : my personnal advice would be to go to amd web site and check if the driver proposed by amd is the one shipped with debian , if no remove the one from debian and try the one from amd
14:36<sasha>patricio : the best place for ati linux question is not here but on
14:37<dli_>!tell patricio about fglrx
14:38<dli_>amd linux support is broken as usual :(
14:38<patricio>the only real issue I am having is that when I run a 'fglrxinfo', it tells me the vendor is 'Mesa Project'.......if I am correct it should be something different right?
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14:39<sasha>patricio : post a question on phoronix , they will answer you for sure with a clever response
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14:41<patricio>chealer: do u have any advice?
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14:42<chealer>patricio: did you switch to 2.6.22? and still, which fglrx version do you use?
14:42<hector>Ok, I reboot, but not off the install CD, dunno why, perhaps the new "lightscribe DVDRW" drive.
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14:44<brick>hi. my kernel was compiled using gcc 4.1 but my nvidia drivers was compiled using gcc 4.2(i just sayd yes to continiue.) but i think that was a mistake. the preformance sucks...
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14:44<hector>Found 6 log. vols, then fsck.ext3 says No such file or directory on /dev/hda1, which is my /boot partition.
14:44<brick>alski. gkrellm shows that i only have 886mb ram when i have 4gb installed..
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14:44<patricio>chealer: fglrx version is - 8.38.7-1 says the Synaptic Manager
14:45<debed>any one here to help me ragarding setting up a LAMP server
14:45<martijn>hi debed it still isnt running?
14:45<george>debed: L is linux... have you installed that yet?
14:46<debed>martijn, hmm no...
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14:46<chealer>patricio: start by upgrading fglrx
14:46<debed>martijn, my apache is working..but there is the proble with php
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14:47<chealer>debed: just ask your question.
14:47<debed>martijn, shud we load any modules in /etc/apache2/
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14:47<george>debed: ok, more specific... "the problem" with php won't help much :)
14:47<martijn>debed: you can msg the-dude if you want to
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14:47<hector>\msg Supaplex hey
14:48<Supaplex>cat /proc/partitions
14:48<brick>how can i switch to gcc 4.1 when compiling the nvidia driveR?
14:48<debed>martijn, i saw soem content regarding symbloic links for mods_enabled and mods_available
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14:49<chealer>brick: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
14:50<the-dude>debed, are there any links to php?
14:50<brick>cause my kernel was comiled using gcc 4.1(atleast according to the nvidia installer)
14:50<george>debed: it's helpful if you focus all your attention on one thing at a time... right now, php... what is the problem? what are you trying? how did you set it up in the config? what do you expect to happen? what is actually happening?
14:50<brick>and after compiling the nvidia driver with gcc 4.2 the preformance sucks..
14:50<chealer>brick: nvidia-installer is not supported here.
14:50<george>if you get error messages, they will need the -exact- text of those messages
14:51<Supaplex>hector: do you see any dm-## labels in /proc/partitions?
14:51<brick>i did a clean install off etch xfce and did a distupgrade to lenny.. chealer im not asking for help with nvidia installer. but with gcc.. as to how to make 4.1 the compiler i want to use. isnt that some enviromentalt thiggy ?
14:51<debed>george, my problem is with php-apache connection...i couldnt open the php page from the browser...instead its opening a dailog window with save, open, cancel options
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14:52<george>debed: ok, try saving the thing
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14:52<george>and then see what it is that was saved
14:52<chealer>brick: depends on what's calling gcc
14:52<the-dude>debed, that means that apache does not serve php
14:53<debed>the-dude, yess..y is it like that
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14:53<debed>george...its simply opening the php script i have typed in test.php
14:53<george>not necessarily... it could mean the php script is sending a mime type the browser doesn't recognize
14:53<FastPutty>i tried tc filter add dev $WAN parent 1: protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip src match ip dport 80 0xffff flowid 1:10
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14:54<george>debed: ok, that rules the mime type thing out
14:54<the-dude>if it gives you a file instead of content apache is not parsing it
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14:54<the-dude>and if it is parsing it and it is not correct it will bork
14:54<george>not necessarily. but I digress... that is the problem here.
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14:55<debed>the-dude, but in /etc/apache2/ i moved the files php5.conf and php5.load from mods-available to mods-enabled
14:55<debed>the-dude, will taht make any sense
14:55<george>did you restart apache after doing that
14:56<debed>george, yeah i restrted
14:56<the-dude>debed, normally you will create links insttead of movies the files
14:56<debed>the-dude, heyy can u guide me how to create those links
14:56<the-dude>debed, sure
14:56<george>ok, you might take a look at the apache error log and also the apache access log... tail -f them each in a separate term window
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14:57<george>then you might try restarting again, to see if the problem is upon startup...
14:57<george>if you find that it is not, then you want to watch those two logs I mentioned earlier while you try accessing the page
14:57<debed>the-dude, i think i shud try ur way
14:58<george>in this way you might find out why you're having the problem... and the solution will present itself
14:58<debed>the-dude, it makes me easy ..i guess
14:58<debed>george, i accept that u gave a great help but im not that much touch
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14:59<debed>the-dude, r u there
14:59<george>debed: no problem... write it down, it's the way you can figure it out yourself if it comes to that
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14:59<MikePer>which qt-dev package do I have to install to use make xconfig for creating a custom kernel?
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15:00<the-dude>debed, try a2enmod
15:00<the-dude>see if it comes up with php5
15:00<george>!depends linux-source-2.6.18
15:00<debed>the-dude, its asking which module u would like to enable
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15:01<the-dude>yeah but does it show php5 ?
15:01<MikePer>well, stable i386 linux-source-2.6.18
15:02<debed>the-dude, in that list i dint find it....and Module name? i typed php5 and it gave me that module is already enabled
15:02<george>yeah, libqt3-mt-dev
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15:02<MikePer>huh, now it says I don't have g++
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15:03<debed>the-dude, so what shud i do now
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15:04<the-dude>whats in your test.php file ?
15:04<debed>the-dude, <?php phpinfo(); ?>
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15:07<debed>the-dude, u there
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15:08<brick>chealer, what do you mean depends on whats calling gcc ?
15:08<chealer>brick: for example, nvidia-installer calls CC or gcc
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15:09<the-dude>debed, try apt-get install --reinstall php5
15:09<debed>the-dude, okie
15:10<the-dude>debed, and after that try a /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
15:10<brick>ahh ok. well it says that i have to sett CC to gcc 4.1 if that makes any sence.. but anyways. got to run now. be back a bit later.. will try to figure it out then. or maybe do a reinstall or something.. but why is kernel compiled with 4.1 if 4.2 is available?
15:10<debed>the-dude, done
15:10<chealer>brick: which Linux version?
15:11<debed>the-dude, hmm still the dialog window is appearing
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15:11<brick>debian etch xfce clean install and then a distupgrade to lenny by changing repos from etch to lenny
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15:11<the-dude>debed, what does /var/log/apache2/access and error.log say?
15:12<chealer>brick: so Linux 2.6.22?
15:12<debed>the-dude, i dint try that ....wait
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15:13<debed>the-dude, how to check that
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15:14<chealer>brick: unstable's default gcc version changed to 4.2 after testing's current Linux version was uploaded.
15:14<martijn>debed: less $filename
15:14<chealer>brick: (buildds normally use the default version, not the latest version available)
15:15<brick>ok. so if i do a clean install again, and then first upgrade gcc to 4.2 and then do distupgrade, then lenny will be compiled with 4.2 ?
15:15<valdyn>brick: hah
15:15<valdyn>brick: no
15:15<george>brick: wow...
15:15<george>you could try that
15:15<chealer>brick: no. Debian uses binary packages, you don't recompile when installing.
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15:15<valdyn>!info gcc lenny
15:15<debed>the-dude, what shud i acheck in access.log
15:15<george>that's the VERY long way around
15:15<dpkg>gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.2.1-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB
15:16<freight>On my Debian unstable box, I'm trying to install E17 from source. I found a page that lists the libs required for a successful build and it lists xlibs-dev as a package. xlibs-dev no longer is in Debian. What packages replace it?
15:16<george>oh, so lenny already is compiled with 4.2 :)
15:16<valdyn>brick: nothing wrong with gcc-4.1, you're trying to solve a non-issue
15:16<debed>george, temme how to check the access.log
15:16<valdyn>george: no
15:17<freight>debed: is it deb-ed or debed as in "I've been Debianed"?
15:17<brick>valdyn, im just trying to make nvidia compile with 4.1 and not 4.2. cause when my kernel is on 4.1 and nvidia on 4.2 the preformance sucks.
15:17<brick>but later. thx for the help so far..
15:17<valdyn>brick: nonsense
15:17<the_bob>hey, I'm looking for some source code that creates lintian reports.. anyone know if that is availible as a source package?
15:18<debed>freight, its debed
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15:18<the-dude>debed, what does the error log say?
15:18<freight>debed: cool, it would have bothered me for hours.. Thanks. <Grin>
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15:19<george>debed: I'm sorry but I don't have time to help... but what I can do is put you on the path (but... you've already stated you're not interested in learning what is required to use linux at the command line level... or do I have that wrong?)
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15:19<debed>the-dude, im not understanding whjat to check in it
15:19<the_bob>ohh wow... never mind there is a lintian package in the main repo... perl based though... uggg
15:20<the-dude>debed, information why it is going wrong
15:20<george>when I say I don't have time, it's because I'm estimating that the time required to -really- help you is anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 years)
15:20<MikePer>do I need to create the initrd myself when making a custom kernel or will it be build?
15:20<debed>george, hmmm srry boss ...just temme...i opened the access.log with a editor
15:21<valdyn>MikePer: you dont need to have an initrd in a custom kernel, make-kpkg generates one if you run it with the --initrd flag
15:21<george>that would be one way
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15:21<valdyn>xlibs-dev has long ago been replaced
15:22<debed>the-dude, Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch5~pu1 configured -- resuming normal operations
15:22<MikePer>thank you
15:22<debed>the-dude, i could see thsi in the error log in the last line
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15:24<debed>the-dude, in the line before that i could see caught SIGTERM, shutting down
15:24<george>debed: -good-... you found a way to see the logs.
15:24<debed>george, hmm
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15:25<debed>george, but what does a -f at tail do
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15:25<george>check the man page and see :)
15:25<debed>george, smart
15:26<debed>george, okie
15:26<george>of course it is.
15:26<debed>george, but y dont u help me now...regarding the php
15:26<george>I already explained that
15:27<george>in addition, I don't have to :)
15:27<debed>george, but my php files shud be opened in the browser..thats the actual requirtement...instead of a dialog windows
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15:27<george>besides, you're suddenly showing quite a bit of resourcefulness
15:27<debed>george, what do u mean by that
15:28<george>that you knew more than you were telling :)
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15:28<debed>george, no trying thsi for the first time and i have no idea..
15:28<george>that you actually can do this, and you can understand what you're reading
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15:29<george>but that's the exact best place for you to be coming from right now. believe me when I say that; I have a -lot- of experience in this precise area.
15:29<debed>george, yeah i can do that by reading but i m running out of I trusted IRC...and i know its helping me alot
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15:30<george>and trust me, I'm here and I'm on irc here and now... you can do this.
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15:30<george>all you have to do is start doing it.
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15:30<debed>george, okie I shall catch u soem other tiem
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15:30<george>that's a possibility :)
15:31<debed>the-dude, heyy u there
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15:31<george>not one I'm in any way willing to guarantee :)
15:31<debed>the-dude, what do u think boss...
15:32[~]george fails to comment on the speed necessary for me to run the other way to prevent you from catching me...
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15:33<the-dude>debed, paste me your error.log
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15:33<the-dude>but not here
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15:39<freight>With the requisite fifteen minute wait, I'm asking a much more succinct version of my original question. What packages replaced xlibs-dev?
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15:40<george>originally xlibs was a combined set of libs; they were separated into their individual packages.
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15:41<george>I don't know the list tho, you might be able to find that thru apt-cache search or (to name a couple of ways out of many)
15:41<george>it might be useful to note that the libs we're talking about are probably client libs, not server libs
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15:50<debed>george, got it dude...anyway thanks for the help...i will follow the way u suggested actually....the_dude...foud my error..
15:50<debed>XCHAT roks
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15:54<george>dang, I wanted to reply :)(
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15:59<debed>the-dude, hi
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16:14<TweakGames>hi all, I am about to go buy a wireless card for my webserver linux box. I dont really have room for full pci slots since its a 1u server, is there any usb wireless cards that are known to work good with debian? Thank you.
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16:15<Myon>wireless in a 19" rack?
16:16<lupine_85>TweakGames: ralink usb are generally supported
16:17<lupine_85>(though in debian you'd need to compile the .ko yourself)
16:18<TweakGames>So there isnt a simple apt-get install wireless? :(
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16:18<lupine_85>that'd be boring :p
16:18<the-dude>TweakGames, why not get a halfsizeslot?
16:18<chealer>anywhere, even
16:18<TweakGames>that would be why I love debian so much. :D
16:18<lupine_85>I'd love to know why you're putting wireless in a 1U server though
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16:18<TweakGames>the-dude its just the server I have ... its 1u like an inch tall... its not in a rackmount just sitting in my closet hehe.
16:19<chealer>TweakGames: perhaps some 802.11b card would. it's rare.
16:19<TweakGames>lupine_85 because I used to own a game server hosting company and I have some servers left but now that I came to college I am just going to be using it as a web server.
16:19<Shadowcat>1u servers....
16:19<TweakGames>nooo sun server they are yummy
16:19<Shadowcat>TweakGames: unless you can run the HAL9000 off a 1U
16:19<TweakGames>took me for ever to get the smp to work back in the day.
16:19<Shadowcat>I ain't buying it
16:19<Shadowcat>1U is NOISY
16:20<dpkg>rumour has it, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes.
16:20<dpkg>HAL9000 is your idol, someone give me access to the life support controls!
16:20<TweakGames>....well its a server... noise doesnt really matter... I dont sleep with it...
16:20<TweakGames>is hal something new?
16:20<TweakGames>since 2 years ago?
16:20<Shadowcat>please don't tell me you don't know what the HAL9000 is
16:21<TweakGames>I do not know what hall9000 is.
16:21<Shadowcat>google it
16:21<TweakGames>I just used the servers as counterstike servers for my company I owned.
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16:21<TweakGames>its a robot from space odyssey?
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16:25<TweakGames>Do I need to worry about this hal9000 thing? I dont seem to find any good information other then robots
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16:25<george>TweakGames: yes, one that surrounded the ship (no, hal is very old)
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16:27<george>the basic deal is there was this huge ship that went to jupiter or somewhere... took years and years,,, so crew hibernated... ship controlled by hal.
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16:27<george>I think I'll stop right there, in case you want to see the movie yourself
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16:27<Shadowcat>the sad part is
16:28<Shadowcat>that film was made back in the 60s
16:28<Shadowcat>and we still can't get a computer to pick up a coke can
16:28<george>why is that sad?
16:28<george>oh I see
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16:29<dondelelcaro>eh? computers pick up coke cans all the time
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16:29<Shadowcat>not on their own
16:29<dondelelcaro>I mean, how else do you think your coke cans got to the supermarket?
16:29<george>the hard problem has been walking on legs
16:30<Shadowcat>now try getting it to do it without telling it exactly how to do it
16:30<Shadowcat>that's the tricky part
16:30<dondelelcaro>even that's been done
16:30<Shadowcat>basically, we're nowhere near HAL
16:30<dondelelcaro>welcome to evolutionary algorithms 101
16:30<george>personally I don't want hal anywhere near me
16:31<Shadowcat>aww come on
16:31<Shadowcat>we'll put you in stasis
16:31<Shadowcat>and then cause a segfault in the os
16:31<Shadowcat>yes I'm evil
16:31<george>mmhmm... now stop posting spoilers :P
16:32<george>hal9000 is already one big segfault
16:32<george>(oops :)
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16:33<george>I'd rather not be pushing up daisys because of anything it controls...
16:33<TweakGames>ok Im so confused Im just going to act like I never heard of hal.
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16:34<george>TweakGames: see the movie... or much better, read the book then see the movie
16:34<TweakGames>anyways no other recommendations for a usb wireless card? Would a pci wireless card be easier to get working? I could run the 1u without a top I guess....
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16:35<chealer>TweakGames: not really
16:35<george>you don't have slot benders?
16:35<george>or whatever they're called
16:35<TweakGames>wow I just opened my 1u server and I have a little L bracket so I can fit a regular sized pci card... O.o
16:36<TweakGames>who knew... I can also fit a .. like mini sized one...
16:36<george>ahh, slot bender
16:36<george>or whatever it's called :)
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16:37<Myon>could you at least try to stay moderately on topic? thanks
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16:37<george>what? I'm not talking about hal anymore, and I didn't start that
16:37<TweakGames>yaaa one of those tha makes the slot go with the 1u server... interesting... I want to add extra ide hard drives to this thing (they are all scsi and small) but I dont know how I would add a ide controller and get the hard drives power ... I guess I will have to stick with the 2 8 gb scsi drives :(
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16:39[~]george reviews the topic
16:39<apeitheo>How do I install something without installing its dependencies?
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16:39<george>that would be broken...
16:39<george>but take a look at dpkg --help
16:40<lupine_85>dpkg --force-dependencies
16:40<lupine_85>but yeah, hardly a good idea
16:40<apeitheo>george, I'm trying to install prboom--one of its dependencies is freedoom (a free clone of the real game), but it's _necessary_ for prboom to function as long as one has the actual game files--I want to uninstall freedoom
16:41<apeitheo>it's not*
16:41<george>oic, so the dep is not actually functional
16:41<george>the game should depend on the engine not the other way around... so the dep is wrong
16:41<lupine_85>you could edit the debian/control of the source package
16:42<apeitheo>george, exactly
16:42<george>or file a bug report
16:42<george>or both
16:42<apeitheo>should it be under "recommends" or "suggests"
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16:42<lupine_85>(or of the binary package, if you know what you're doing :D)
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16:44<apeitheo>the other doom engines don't require freedoom, so I think it shouldn't be that way for prboom. I think I'll file a bug report.
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16:45<george>apeitheo: you should include that logic in the report, as it shows current practice, which is what debian policy is based on
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16:49<apeitheo>if I do file a bug, will it be fixed in stable? or only in unstable?
16:49<george>apeitheo: btw, is freedoom any good?
16:49<george>I don't think it's important enough to be fixed in stable
16:49<george>"important enough" might include "causes entire system to be unusable"
16:50<apeitheo>george, I only played it for about 5 minutes, and it seems like it's okay, but they replaced the imps with snake things and the regular soldier zombies with weird half-clothed zombie things
16:50<apeitheo>I'd rather just play the real thing though
16:51<george>so you don't want to play barney-the-dinosaur doom? :)
16:51<apeitheo>This is my third day of using debian so I don't want to mess around with it too much yet, just in case when I upgrade it sees the broken dep and messes things up
16:51<george>is that packaged?
16:51<apeitheo>barney the dinosaur doom?
16:51<apeitheo>george, there is doom-package that installs something that lets you install the real doom files
16:52<apeitheo>Doom still costs, so they can't package it
16:52<george>oic, like make-kpkg
16:52<george>even the original doom?
16:52<apeitheo>george, yes, it's still available online to buy
16:53<george>that was a -long- time ago
16:53<george>when it first came out that is
16:53<apeitheo>it was actually in stores a few months ago--all three versions of doom packaged
16:53<apeitheo>for $10
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16:54<george>so it's quake 4 and doom 3 that are the newest
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16:57[~]george tries to straddle the fine line between dooms that are packaged for debian, in order to stay "moderately on topic"
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16:59<janux-xmind>hi guys ?
16:59<janux-xmind>hi guys!
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17:00<apeitheo>george, okay, actually I think I'm wrong now. It says it depends on freedoom OR doom-wad. This would mean if I'd install doom-wad, I could uninstall freedoom without it trying to remove prboom too, right?
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17:00<janux-xmind>can someone help me?
17:00<janux-xmind>about sendmail
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17:00<george>janux-xmind: you'd have to ask a specific, informative, helpful question
17:00<janux-xmind>ok, sorry
17:01<george>np, just ask
17:01<george>(and also, I'm not trying in any way to be authoritative here:
17:01<janux-xmind>i'm developing a web app with php which app has a mail system extension
17:02<janux-xmind>and i want to test this mail extension on my debian
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17:02<janux-xmind>and i don't even know how to d use an offline mail server
17:02<janux-xmind>on my computer as apache
17:02<george>as far as I'm concerned, you can do anything you want... but I just thought it might help you if you were at least guided toward better help responses that you would get as a result of asking high-content, high-quality questions)
17:03<janux-xmind>how can i use sendmail to manage email from my computer?
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17:03<dpkg>i guess sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use <nullmailer>, esmtp, <exim4> or <postfix> instead. see the oreilly book of the same name.
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17:04<george>ok, generally there will be some sort of scripting language (like perl or tcl, for example) to which will be added functions which send mail
17:06<george>whether you use sendmail or some other mail server is kinda irrelevent when your point of view is from the scripting language... reason: the call for sending mail should look exactly the same regardless of which mail server you use
17:06<lupine_85>there's also the 'mail' command
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17:07<george>that would strike me as a performance hit
17:07<george>but it could work
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17:11<george>as far as an offline mail server, you could install a mail server on your debian, and put it behind your firewall and don't forward port 25 on the firewall to port 25 on the machine you have the mail server om
17:11<george>then you could test by sending mail to a user on that machine
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17:14<george>from the application also running on the same machine
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17:17<chealer>how can the partition type be specific when creating a partition with fdisk?
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17:19<lupine_85>chealer: you use 't' to change the partition type id, but it's just a number - it can lie
17:20<lupine_85>which really confused gparted, last I heard
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17:24<chealer>ur...thanks lupine_85
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17:25<janux-xmind>hi guys !
17:25<janux-xmind>can someone help me to use postfix on my debian
17:26<apeitheo>Does anyone else have the latest gaim installed from stable?
17:26<azeem>apeitheo: just ask your real question
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17:27<george>janux-xmind: is it installed?
17:27<apeitheo>Is anyone else having trouble with spell checking in the latest version of gaim in stable?
17:28<apeitheo>i.e. spell checking not working when enabled
17:28<SharkMa-san>use pidgin :P
17:28<george>ok, so it should be running. try: telnet (thatIP) 25
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17:28<apeitheo>SharkMa-san, pidgin isn't in stable
17:28<debed>Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
17:28<debed>httpd (pid 4579) already running
17:29<SharkMa-san>I know, but it's a lot better than gaim :P
17:29<apeitheo>SharkMa-san, :P
17:29<debed>how to solve that problem ...can anyone help
17:29<george>janux-xmind: so, what happens when you do that?
17:29<SharkMa-san>same software though, different name :P
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17:29<janux-xmind>where? is it a shelle command?
17:30<george>if you run that on the same machine you installed postfix on, then you can: telnet localhost 25
17:30<SharkMa-san>and stable is something you use on servers anyway... if you want even somewhat new packages, use testing :P
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17:30<janux-xmind>which ip should i provide?
17:30<ZZT32><3 stable
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17:30<ZZT32>Using stable here :P
17:30<ZZT32>And on my server.
17:31<george>the ip of the machine running the mail server
17:31<apeitheo>SharkMa-san, I would, but I have an nvidia card--nvidia-glx isn't in testing, so I'd have to mix testing/unstable
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17:31<SharkMa-san>well, I've used the nvidia installer
17:31<SharkMa-san>it's the same driver anyway
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17:31[~]lupine_85 huggles his 'unstable' kernel
17:31<george>sure, that would be localhost
17:31<apeitheo>SharkMa-san, and if stable were really _only_ for servers, then why would it have gaim in the first place? :P
17:32<ZZT32>What's wrong with stable? <:)
17:32<george>lupine_85: have you backed up every HD in that machine today? :)
17:32<debed>george, canu help me abt the error i got it while starting apache
17:32<janux-xmind>debian:/home/janux-xmind# telnet
17:32<janux-xmind>telnet: could not resolve Name or service not known
17:32<lupine_85>the kernel is always fine
17:32<SharkMa-san>the only thing that is wrong in stable is that it doesn't support new hardware properly :P
17:32<george>no colon
17:32<george>just like I typed it
17:32<george>if you run that on the same machine you installed postfix on, then you can: telnet localhost 25
17:33<ZZT32>SharkMa-san, ah. Well all of the hardware I'm using it on is > 1 year old, so I guess I'm fine :>
17:33<janux-xmind>debian:/home/janux-xmind# telnet 25
17:33<janux-xmind>Connected to
17:33<janux-xmind>Escape character is '^]'.
17:33<janux-xmind>220 debian.lan ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
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17:33<lupine_85>woah, no autorejoin
17:33<SharkMa-san>well, even unstable didn't have new enough version of gutenprint :P
17:34<ZZT32>self-compile! :D
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17:34<SharkMa-san>yea :P
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17:34<debed>george, u there
17:34<george>I thought we were done
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17:35<SharkMa-san>but I had to upgrade to sid, since I didn't want to start checking out how to make deb-packages nor build ton of packages myself :P
17:35<george>you know what I'm gonna tell ya :P
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17:35<george>which I will with compassion and withoug apology
17:36<debed>george, u there
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17:36<azeem>debed: ask the channel, not individuals, please
17:36<george>debed: see above
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17:36<george>janux-xmind: so the server is running
17:37<george>and so you can see that it is contactable on port 25
17:37<Z|G>guys I've ran into an issue trying to make menuconfig, getting script errors
17:37<Z|G>this is a new install of Debian on a MacBook using 2.6.18-5-amd64 image
17:37<janux-xmind>ok thanks
17:37<george>and so anything else (like some php extension) that contacts port 25 on that machine will reach your postfix
17:37<apeitheo>Does gtkspell need to have a dictionary installed?
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17:38<george>janux-xmind: do you see how that's a server?
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17:38<george>cool :) so you're well on your way :)
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17:41<Z|G>the beginning of the error is: scripts/ /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile: No Such File or Directory
17:41<george>not sure how receiving mail works from php... but a mail server (aka MTA) like postfix or sendmail will not itself deliver mail, it passes that job to another program (called a MDA)
17:41<debed>how shud we write the local domain in /etyc/hosts
17:42<debed>srr /etc/hosts
17:42<george>it could be you could add a special MDA that lets mail be received by php
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17:42<janux-xmind>so how can i test the email extension of my website on localhost?
17:42<koollman>except the 'received by php' part means almost nothing
17:43<george>(1) try to send mail using the extension, observe results
17:43<george>(2) try to receive mail using the extension, observe results
17:44<george>see I don't know the details, but I do know how to get you to think about them, which is the first step toward a solution
17:44<lupine_85>well, php can interface with imap and pop3
17:44<lupine_85>it can also read maildir and mbox format files
17:45<koollman>or, read the protocol rfc...
17:45<george>(and if you think that's cheap or a copout, maybe there is that... but consider the benefit if this becomes a new skill that you can apply 100 more times)
17:45<lupine_85>surely everyone's done that already?
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17:45<lupine_85>godly reading material, etc
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17:46<janux-xmind>there is no result
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17:46<george>ok, so now you have to explore
17:46<george>try sending mail while watching the action of the mail log file
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17:47<koollman>or first, try to formulate correctly what you really want to do
17:47<kleinlaut>I just setup a postfix imap sql mailserver on etch
17:47<kleinlaut> in top I have 20 to 25% of the CPU used most by postfix user
17:47<kleinlaut>etch install was fresh though!
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17:47<george>where are postfix logs, /var/mail/mail.err?
17:47<kleinlaut>I guess it isn't normal on P3 600
17:47<george>or mail.log
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17:48<kleinlaut>/var/log/mail.log is hell havy and stuff are always added to it rendering it impossible to use
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17:49<george>kleinlaut: hmm :) why have it then?
17:49<kleinlaut>I know sorry, but can I stop all the postfix process at once
17:49<kleinlaut>to be able to look in th logs
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17:50<janux-xmind>mail.err is empty
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17:50<janux-xmind>and there is no mail.log
17:50<george>kleinlaut: you should be able to look at them not only while the server is running but also see the log messages at the exact moment they are generated
17:51<kleinlaut>janux-xmind, mail.err as only one line:
17:51<kleinlaut> imapd: /etc/courier/shared/index: No such file or directory
17:51<Z|G>so I don't guess anyone can point me in the right direction to fix my error...
17:52<kleinlaut>george, when I try to open it in nano, it take ages
17:52<kleinlaut>and then I m not even ebale to scrole at the bottom
17:52<george>kleinlaut: try tail -f /path/to/file
17:53<george>and you should also man tail...
17:53<george>and while you're reading look at what -f does
17:53<TweakGames>once I saw a cat and it wasnt black I said how do you do that mr. car and it said I run debian! I said wwooww it walked away slowly.
17:53<kleinlaut>george, OK man trail... let me a few sec
17:53<george>hehe, tail not trail :)
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17:54<kleinlaut>george, /path/to/file u mean /var/log/mail.log ?
17:54<george>the corresponding command is head
17:54<george>yes, or whatever file you wish to watch
17:54<kleinlaut>george, OK few sec pleaz
17:55<george>once you're tailing the log you could then do whatever, send a mail or whatever and see what you see in the log
17:55<george>which might be nothing
17:55<george>and that might be because it's not the right file. for that case, find the right file :)
17:57<kleinlaut>george, OK got it for tail, thank you!
17:58<george>it's a great tool when you're trying to figure out what happens when you (for example) contact a server for a particular purpose
17:58<kleinlaut>george, /var/log/mail.log is groing in front of my eyes
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17:58<kleinlaut>I can't even read
17:58<george>hmm, lots of people use it?
17:59<george>that machine that is
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17:59<kleinlaut>no I just set it up on fresh debian etch
17:59<kleinlaut>it is P3 600
17:59<kleinlaut>that why I m concerned
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18:00<azeem>kleinlaut: then unplug the internet, and investigate
18:00<george>ok, look at a couple of entries and see why it's happening
18:01<george>and don't worry... when you unplug the internet, we'll continue to exist :)
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18:01<kleinlaut>azeem, is it a good idea shall I not kill postfix stuff
18:01<george>it's not like the internet is a big bathtub, where unplugging it makes us go down the drain :)
18:02<kleinlaut>george, lol I'm not that
18:02<kleinlaut>stupid though
18:03<george>no, you're not, I just had to try for a laugh
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18:05<kleinlaut>george, so can you give an hand? shall kill postfix process?
18:06<george>I need both of my hands at the moment, have to get some stuff for someone
18:06<azeem>kleinlaut: first, see whether there are actually mails being processed/sent out
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18:06<azeem>kleinlaut: i.e. whether somebody uses your postfix as an open relay, if you don't produce that many mails yourself
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18:08<kleinlaut>azeem, thx! so I ctrl+C my tail -f /var/log/mail.log to read a few line
18:12<kleinlaut>azeem, OK so I do not understand much but what I see alot is:
18:12<kleinlaut>sender non-delivery notification
18:12<kleinlaut>postmaster non-delivery notification
18:13<azeem>kleinlaut: pastebin the last 20 lines or so
18:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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18:14<Z|G>guys, I don't like to bug people, and I've read forums and howto's for the past 2 days trying to fix my issue, if someone could point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful
18:14<ZZT32>I personally despise pastebin. They make all pastes public.
18:14<lupine_85>oh noes, etc
18:14<ZZT32>Z|G, what's the issue?
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18:14<Z|G>I installed Debian on a MacBook using the i386, then switching to the amd64 img
18:14<Z|G>I donwloaded the kernel
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18:15<Z|G>when I go to make menuconfig I get this error
18:15<Z|G>scripts/ /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile: No Such File or Directory
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18:15<ZZT32>I can't solve your problem, but why are you switching between architectures?
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18:16<Aero_>well i got a problem while calling ./configure
18:16<lupine_85>also, why using .23.1, and why trying to run a script inside linux-headers?
18:16<Z|G>because the amd64 architecture runs better on a MacBook Core 2 Duo
18:16<lupine_85>where does /usr/src/lionux point?
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18:16<Aero_>it tells me, that i have not the permission for it -_-
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18:16<lupine_85>Aero_: do you have write permissions for the working directory?
18:17<lupine_85>or does the configure script need access to something funky?
18:17<Aero_>i should have, cause root ?
18:17<Z|G>and all I'm doing is following every kernel compile HowTo out there and after tar of the 23.1 .bz2 it says to rename the dir to linux and cd to it
18:17<kleinlaut>azeem, I wonder if it isn't the mails that I try to send before that he keep trying to send
18:17<lupine_85>also, amd64 has marginal performance gains over i386 for most use cases
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18:17<lupine_85>Z|G: you're trying to do something unsupported
18:18<dpkg>make-kpkg is probably the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
18:18<Z|G>okay so no one has ever ran into that error before and figured out how to fix it?
18:18<lupine_85>Z|G: you're in the wrong kernel tree entirely, by the sounds of irt
18:18<lupine_85>your /usr/src/linux likely points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64
18:19<Z|G>so I should revert back to the i386 build?
18:19<lupine_85>*shrug* do whatever you think best
18:19<azeem>kleinlaut: yeah, seems like there's a ping-pong going on there
18:19<Z|G>well how to I just compile what I have without pointing it to the headers-2.6.18-5-amd64 .config
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18:20<lupine_85>get into the right kernel source tree and do the usual
18:20<Z|G>I just want to get a kernel that I can make with wifi support, everything runs fine, I just can't get the built in wifi to work on the MacBook
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18:20<kleinlaut>azeem, hmm will I'll be blacklisted somewhere?
18:21<azeem>probably not
18:21<Z|G>I try running madwifi to set it up and it needs a path to the kernel but the kernel has never been compiled, its a fresh install
18:21<kleinlaut>azeem, how can I solve/stopp that mess?
18:21<azeem>kleinlaut: I don't know much about postfix
18:21<azeem>kleinlaut: run mailq, and see how to remove messages from there
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18:22<Z|G>I even tried the ndiswrapper way to get the wifi to work and it gives an error on boot saying it can't find what it's looking for
18:22<kleinlaut>azeem, thank you I'll look for documentation about mailq
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18:23<kleinlaut>azeem, can you tell me more about what the problem is exactly?
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18:23<kleinlaut>because I don't understand much about what ping-pong is
18:24<Z|G>oh well thanks for the input, I'll see what I can do, everytime I load linux and run into errors no one can help with, so I end up giving up after a month of dealing with it
18:26<Aero_>maybe it would be better when i ask which packages i need to compile anythin -_-
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18:26<Z|G>apt-get install kernel-package ncurses-dev bzip2 module-init-tools initrd-tools procps
18:27<Aero_>@ me?
18:27<Z|G>yep those are all needed to compile
18:27<Z|G>or apt-get install kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot wget bzip2 build-essential
18:28<Aero_>how should anyone what would be better for my etch?
18:28<Z|G>I'm running etch
18:28<Aero_>how should anyone hold it in mind what ya need to do something -_-
18:29<lupine_85>don't forget build-essential
18:30<Z|G>gotta have build-essential
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18:30<george>for build
18:30<Z|G>think I'm gonna just wipe Debian and go with Ubuntu
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18:31<Aero_>need it for work -_-
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18:31<Z|G>I didn't think setting up Debian on a MacBook would be a big deal, and its really not, but the wifi config sucks
18:32<Aero_>normaly we use windows 2000 -_- Cause Office systems and sth like this for the girls in our company ...
18:32<ZZT32>Just use ndiswrapper
18:32<Z|G>I tried
18:32<Z|G>it gives me errors
18:32<Z|G>and I followed it to the letter
18:32<Z|G>on the Howto
18:32<ZZT32>Well try Ubuntu and see if that works out for you.
18:33<ZZT32>God I hate those assholes that don't release cross-platform drivers :(
18:33<Aero_>ubuntu is nice, i got it on a second hdd
18:33<Z|G>I don't want to though, I've just spent my own 2 days off from work trying to get this done for almost 20 hours each day, I'm tired, and keep running into problesm I can't find a straight answer for
18:33<Aero_>but just console -_-
18:33<ZZT32>I like Debian because it's lightweight :>
18:33<Z|G>Debian is awesome
18:33<george>Z|G: just think... if you have a big enough machine, you could run both simultaneously
18:33<Z|G>I really like it
18:34<ZZT32>And because the "stable" releases have hand-picked software that's stable ^^
18:34<Z|G>well it's a 60gb drive I can partition it
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18:34<george>it has to be at least 1 feet high
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18:34<Z|G>but I think it's just issues with MacBook vs the distro I'm trying
18:34<Aero_>i realy miss a point like: To do this You need this...
18:34<Aero_>like for compiling -_-
18:35<george>seriously... you can look into xen, and you can do this for either ubuntu or debian
18:35<Z|G>if I could get the wifi to work I'd be golden, so golden
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18:35<george>wifi or other devices are supported by the kernel
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18:36<george>whatever you can get the kernel to support will work under debian, ubuntu, or anything else
18:36<Z|G>the only thing it will pick up is the firewire for the Mac and the built in ethernet card
18:36<Z|G>but it doesn't even see that the wifi exsists
18:37<Z|G>and now I'm using some amd64 image and there doesn't seem to be a path for the headers or anything so I can't compile a new kernel
18:37<george>oh, there's a thing about firmware... debian doesn't want to deal with firmware, especially if it's proprietary and closed source
18:37<Z|G>okay I'll shut up, I'm talking way to much
18:37<george>so they strip those things out
18:37<Z|G>well I saw that too in a forum
18:37<Z|G>and a guy done it with bcm45xx-fwcutter
18:37<Z|G>and got it to work
18:37<Z|G>bcw45xx or something to that effect
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18:38<george>so I stand corrected, there is a difference... but, it's still the kernel, and still if you can get the kernel to support the device you're in...
18:38<Z|G>I don't think I'm doing something to outrageous putting linux on my MacBook
18:39<george>you might like to look into devices where the makers support free and open-source software
18:39<Z|G>I hate tiger, I hate MS
18:39<Z|G>I want to run something open source and free and with a growing community and linux is it
18:39<amphi>the-dude abides?
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18:39<george>then you -might- want to consider a different wireless card :)
18:39<Z|G>but everytime I try to run it I run into issues I can't solve and give up
18:40<Z|G>goes all the way back to slackware 3 in DOS back in the day
18:40<Z|G>the wifi is built in
18:40<george>but that's up to you... for the moment you could install a ubuntu kernel on a debian (and -definitely- hope for the best, expect the worst)
18:41<Z|G>someone told me to try...
18:41<ZZT32>wireless pisses me off
18:41<lupine_85>eh, kernels work on any /
18:41<ZZT32>What ever happened to good old wired? :[
18:41<Z|G>linuxMint 3.1
18:41<lupine_85>(well, within reason)
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18:42<george>lupine_85: yeah, but things surrounding those kernels could be weird
18:42<Z|G>Linux Mint 3.1 codename Celena
18:42<Z|G>heh never heard of it
18:43<kleinlaut>hello, anyone know postix? I read about FAST FLUSH CONTROLS
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18:43<kleinlaut>but I don't understand how it work
18:43<kleinlaut>I'd like to flush my mailq
18:43<kleinlaut>Aero_, 0_o yes
18:43<Aero_>kleinlaut, postfix ist doo -_-
18:44<lupine_85>kleinlaut: read about CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL yet?
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18:46<Aero_>hmm, after installing all the needed packages i got error: not allowed to -_-
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18:46<george>why would you want to -_-?
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18:46<Aero_>now i tried to use the compressed tar.gz via SSH on my server
18:46<kleinlaut>Aero_, lupine_85, what shall I understand from your answer?
18:46<Aero_>but i do not know how to unzip
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18:47<Aero_>kleinlaut, ich finde postfix stinkt gewaltig, MTA ist bessa - aber ich noob..
18:47<george>grab zipper... pull...
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18:48<george>Aero_: seriously... there is a LOT to learn here. you might want to take your time
18:49<Aero_>-_- now it is not a *.tar.gz agter gzip -d *.tar.gz now it is a .tar -_-
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18:49<george>Aero_: so you have undone the .gz
18:49<kleinlaut>Aero_, thx you u help me alot!
18:49<weasel>Aero_: gunzip is short for gzip -d
18:50<Aero_>well i know, but it does not help me until now
18:50<weasel>Aero_: also, tar can handle that inline, just give it z in addition to whatever you want to do. so there's really no need to gunzip it yourself
18:50<george>where "short" is a relative term :)
18:50<Aero_>i set up 3 apache servers for me.
18:50<george>ok time to go eat
18:50<Aero_>first time i want to compile something and it wouldnt work
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18:51<Aero_>the ./configure doesnt start with extractet folder -_-
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18:51<george>Aero_: by the way, did you know that debian has close to 19,000 packages?
18:51<Aero_>i thouth there are mor -_-
18:51<george>sid is closer to 20k
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18:52<Jmd>I'm running Debian Lenny on a laptop with a 1GHz processor. A "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and/or a "dmidecode -t processor" reports that the CPU is running at 600MHz. I have cpufreq tools installed, but when I try to set it higher it doesn't change. How can I raise the speed the processor runs at?
18:52<Jmd>The processor is an Intel PIII Speedstep
18:52<george>faster means hotter
18:53<Jmd>I know
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18:53<george>sure you won't melt the plastic? :)
18:53<Jmd>I don't necessarily want it to run at it's full capacity, but to run higher than 600MHz.
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18:53<mythtv>anyone know mythtv well?
18:53<Jmd>The plastic shouldn't melt if I run it at 750MHz.
18:53<mythtv>i got a hvr-1800 that needs to work
18:53<mythtv>any help?
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18:54<kleinlaut>mythtv, I don't know it but I love th concept!
18:54<mythtv>thanks 4 ur help
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18:56<Jmd>Anyone know how I can boost my CPU's running speed a bit?
18:56<lupine_85>it's called overclocking, you do it in the bios, and it's not generally recommended
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18:56<dpkg>"OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?"
18:56<Jmd>The BIOS doesn't have any options I can do that with.
18:57<Jmd>I have a speedstep processor that can be set to run at different steps
18:57<lupine_85>then your manufacturer was sensible
18:57<Jmd>I want to raise the step it's at.
18:57<Jmd>It's a 1GHz processor, I just want to run it at 750MHz..
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18:58<Jmd>I'm pretty sure my CPU can handle running at 250MHz *under* it's capacity.
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19:02<Jmd>Nobody knows how to use cpufreq to raise my CPU a step?
19:02<Jmd>I tried setting it with "cpufreq-set -f 750"
19:02<ZZT32>Your CPU has to support it.
19:02<Jmd>but it didn't change a thing.
19:02<Jmd>It does, my CPU is an Intel PIII Speedstep.
19:02<ZZT32>one moment
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19:03<ZZT32>Jmd, nevermind :p
19:03<amphi>Jmd: you can do it by monkeying about in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
19:04<ZZT32> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
19:04<ZZT32>You could have a look at that >>;
19:04<Jmd>it shows a freq of 750MHz and 600MHz
19:05<Jmd>for the scaling freq available
19:05<Jmd>it gives the value in hertz, but same difference.
19:05<ZZT32>cpufreq-selector -f 750000
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19:06<Jmd>No luck, doesn't give errors. Seems like it'd work, but it still says the current speed is 600MHz
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19:06<ZZT32>Where does it say that?
19:06<Jmd>cpufreq-info says it, cat /proc/cpuinfo says it, dmidecode -t processor says it too
19:07<ZZT32>I don't know what to do then, sorry :(
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19:07<Jmd>Well thanks for trying :)
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19:07<Jmd>however in cpufreq-info it says the current policy only supports 600MHz
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19:16<cwood>A question. I get "sh: gs-esp: command not found", allegedly called by foomatic-gswrapper in foomatic-filters. foomatic-gswrapper sets $gspath="gs" -- so how do I figure out why it wants gs-esp so I can file a bug on the right package?
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19:22<I_beginner>hello, I notice when I input incorrect usrID when login, It return error at once,not going to the password step. Is it secure? I mean if someone try to enter my system, he will know in no time, the user he had tried do not exist.
19:23<cwood>At the keyboard? When I try via ssh for an invalid user, I get three password attempts.
19:23<cwood>If you want higher security, there's probably a PAM setting you can change.
19:24<I_beginner>ok, I will look it,
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19:29<lee_>oops i loaded the 64 bit instead of the 32 bit
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19:34<micaelmello>join goiania
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19:48<lubos>is it possible to change X server's cross pointer to an arrow?
19:49<chuy_max>I have a touch screen monitor that uses usbhid driver, everytime I connect it I get different different handlers (event?, where ? is a number from 0 to 6), is there a way to set an event that doesn't change?
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19:59<chuy_max>or at least change it while linux is running? (I guess this would be more difficult)
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20:00<dli_>chuy_max, yes, fix it through udev
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20:04<paidge>hi all are there FR people here ?
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20:11<nowhere_man>paidge: there's #debian-fr for that
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20:20<paidge>thx nowhere_man
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20:22<gsimmons>lubos: Use xsetroot (eg. "xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr").
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20:26<ptr>haha, maybe I should change my nick to something other than ptr
20:26<ptr>xchat flagged your post as being directed at me, gsimmons
20:27<angasule>ptr: try the nick "you" or "ee"
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20:31<DanDare>etch dont support SATA?
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20:32<dondelelcaro>DanDare: it does; some chipsets may not be, though.
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20:34<ptr>angasule: haha
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20:36<DanDare>so the kernel version 2.6.18 have SATA support?
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20:37<chealer>DanDare: as dondelelcaro wrote
20:37<chuy_max>dli_, is that achieved through a udev rule?, I'm trying to google for some answers, but I'm not very familiar with linux kernel.
20:38<DanDare>etch uses kernel 2.6.18 as the standard?
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20:38<chealer>DanDare: yes. the only Linux version in Etch is 2.6.18.
20:39<DanDare>ok chealer thanks
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20:40<dli_>chuy_max, check /etc/udev/rules.d/, if not a rules file there, read the udev howto:
20:40<black_13>how do disable all out to console during bootup?
20:41<dondelelcaro>black_13: use a bootsplash utility
20:41<chuy_max>thanks dli_, getting back to the documents ^^
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20:42<black_13>dondelelcaro, would that remove "decompressing initrd .. "
20:42<dli_>dondelelcaro, I want the opposite, are those boot time messages logged?
20:43<dli_>dondelelcaro, quite often, I saw something like an error during booting, but too fast for reading, then found nothing in logs
20:44<gsimmons>dli_: You can enable boot message logging using bootlogd (/etc/default/bootlogd), which commits these to /var/log/boot.
20:45<dli_>gsimmons, thanks
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20:46<gsimmons>dli_: See also bug #213028 for why it's enabled by default.
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20:47<dli_>gsimmons, then, I have had it disabled for long :(
20:47<gsimmons>dli_: Gah. s/enabled/not enabled/
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20:49<dli_>gsimmons, good, not something bad from myself again
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20:50<dondelelcaro>black_13: if you were using a kernel based one, yes.
20:50<dondelelcaro>dli_: yes, they are.
20:50<dli_>gsimmons, looks like #213028 is not a problem for me, since we trust all local users here
20:51<gsimmons>dli_: Ah, good. I'd imagine that could easy become a problem elsewhere.
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20:58<hachi>what the devil is the linux xen kernel image package name?
20:58<hachi>I can't find it on the website
20:58<hachi>on debian, I mean
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20:59<hachi>I search for 'linux image'... and it says 'too wide' and hides all the results I need to see
20:59<hachi>seriously, useless interface if it doesn't even show me partial results
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21:00<hachi>I can't even search for 'xen' because that doesn't work either
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21:01<dondelelcaro>hachi: it's linux-image-2.6-xen-686 that you want, most likely
21:01<hachi>thanks for that
21:01<hachi>but how can I find this information in the future?
21:01<dondelelcaro>hachi: apt-cache search
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21:01<hachi>requires a running debian machine
21:01<hachi>how can I find it without one?
21:02<dondelelcaro>you can use to find it too
21:02<hachi>that's where I'm searching
21:02<hachi>it tells me my results are too big, so it then shows me NOTHING
21:02<hachi>isntead of showing me some of it
21:02<dondelelcaro>hachi:§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux+image+xen FE
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21:04<hachi>I typed in those exact search terms and it gives me an error
21:04<hachi>whats the difference?
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21:05<hachi>you have got me puzzled
21:05<hachi>why does mine not work, and yours does?
21:05<hachi>the 'suite' that I chose?
21:06<hachi>can I please strangle someone for that?
21:06<hachi>it's broken if you pick 'testing'
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21:07<fliguy>i accidently removed my network applet from my notification area and don't know how to put it back. It's not the network monitor from the "add to panel" list. it's an applet for the network manager service. any ideas
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21:11<hachi>dondelelcaro: there's no package by that name in testing
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21:13<dondelelcaro>hachi: yes, because the xen kernels haven't been built for the modern kernels
21:13<dondelelcaro>hachi: presumably 2.6.23 will have them again, since, IIRC, it was merged
21:13<hachi>it was, but I'm puzzled how people are supposed to know this
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21:15<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: hehe
21:15<hachi>anyone willing to give me a better answer?
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21:17<hachi>apt-cache show doesn't tell me which suite a package comes from... bleh
21:17<hachi>can I run a local thing like so I can raise the limit?
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21:19<dondelelcaro>hachi: it will if you run apt-cache policy foopkg
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21:21<artur>Hello All
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21:23<dondelelcaro>hachi: as far as p.d.o goes, the best thing is to make a patch; the source code is available for it
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21:24<artur>I have a question regarding sources.list. I added the "unstable" repository, but aptitude update gives me an error: "Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Error occurred while processing education-desktop-other (NewVersion1). Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ The package lists or status file
21:24<artur>The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
21:25<artur>Could someone point me to a proper "unstable" repository? Oh, I have Debian 4.0 etch
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21:28<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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21:32<niwt>I installed i386 etch, then I compiled a kernel, and for processor type, I told the truth and selected athlon64. Will that screw anything up?
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21:33<niwt>it's quiet in here
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21:36<Staz>What are the 'mouse0' 'mouse1' 'mouse2' used for in /dev/input ?
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21:38<TweakGames>hi all my CD player is broken on my server and I want to upgrade everything to the new erth version. What would I do?
21:38<TweakGames>I did apt-get update that did something but I also want the new kernels and everything. I cant remember how to search apt get.... I thought it was apt-get search whatIwant2search4
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21:41<valdyy>TweakGames try apt-cache search <key-word>
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21:55<stephans>ok... has anyone bought an iPod lately?
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21:58<TweakGames>hello when I apt-cache search kernel-image I only see 2.6 stuff... only up to 2.6.8 is there a way to update my cache search?
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22:00<gsimmons>!tell TweakGames -about sarge->etch
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22:24<spoudumen>does anyone know how to change auto complete prefs for the terminal?
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22:27<aredhel>spoudumen, terminals don't have auto complete, shells do. Which shell are you using?
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22:28<spoudumen>it works for the first argument in a statement but wont auto complete after the first
22:31<aredhel>try reading about programmable completion in man bash
22:31<spoudumen>ill give it a shot. thanks!!!
22:32<hachi>anyone here able to help with an lvm problem? I rebooted a machine and it came back up with an entirely different lvm config than it was running with
22:32<hachi>vg name changed from 'shego' to 'data', which is the old name
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23:44<niru>what is the exact release cycle of debian
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23:46<dondelelcaro>niru: we release when it's ready
23:46<niru>dondelelcaro, so its not 6months release or 1 year cycle
23:46<dondelelcaro>niru: no
23:47<dondelelcaro>niru: time has nothing to do with our releases
23:47<niru>thats what I was seeing in debian release site there is not months indication
23:47<niru>dondelelcaro, good thats really fine
23:47<niru>dondelelcaro, when we see time limit so of the important things are missed
23:47<niru>dondelelcaro, are you a developer
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23:47<dondelelcaro>we'll have projections once we get closer, and we usually try to keep close to them
23:48<dondelelcaro>but a good release is more important than an on time one
23:48<niru>dondelelcaro, I am a developer in India where I work for a Debian based distro
23:48<niru>dondelelcaro, exactly
23:48<dondelelcaro>niru: ah, cool. You should start working on Debian too, then.
23:48<niru>dondelelcaro, s
23:48<niru>dondelelcaro, i want to enter into the core development cycle
23:48<niru>dondelelcaro, what can I do to reach that
23:49<dondelelcaro>niru: well, the way you do that is just start working on things that you find interesting
23:49<niru>dondelelcaro, my ideas are vague now
23:49<dondelelcaro>niru: fixing bugs, filing patches, etc. You can also maintain packages; when you're ready, you can apply to become a Debian Developer
23:49<niru>dondelelcaro, r u are developer too if so on which field you work
23:49<dondelelcaro>niru: I'm a developer, and I maintain packages, develop the bug tracking system, and work on the mailing lists
23:49<niru>dondelelcaro, oh
23:50<hachi>how do I tell an incompletely installed locales to not build every single locale?
23:50<niru>dondelelcaro, what all packages do you maintain
23:50<hachi>I'd normally do dpkg-reconfigure locales
23:50<dondelelcaro>hachi: it only builds the ones you tell it to
23:50<hachi>but it says that it's broken or not installed
23:50<hachi>dondelelcaro: I can't find how to get the prompt, it doesn't ask me
23:51<dondelelcaro>hachi: so aptitude install locales; then dpkg-reconfigure locales; or similar.
23:51<niru>dondelelcaro, can I be with you I mean in your team to help you out in fixing some thing and afterworkds when got some idea I can maintain things of my own
23:51<hachi>dondelelcaro: apt-get install locales results in it building all of the locales
23:51<hachi>dpkg-reconfigure locales says broken or not installed (currently half-installed)
23:52<dondelelcaro>hachi: no it doesn't.
23:52<hachi>dpkg --configure -a builds all locales
23:52<dondelelcaro>hachi: no, it just builds the locales you requested to be built
23:52<hachi>I need to change the list
23:52<hachi>I may have specified this list in the past, but I need to clear it
23:52<dondelelcaro>hachi: so finish installing it, then change it then, or edit locale.gen
23:52<hachi>that requires me to build all the locales
23:53<hachi>I want to NOT build all the locales
23:53<dondelelcaro>hachi: only the locales that you specified originally
23:53<hachi>I specified all originally
23:53<dondelelcaro>well, that was silly.
23:53<hachi>how is this not implicit?
23:53<hachi>oh come on, I'm asking for how to get to that prompt again
23:53<hachi>it's not like I'm being obtuse
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23:53<dondelelcaro>hachi: you can't until it's completely installed. Edit /etc/locale.gen and delete the ones that you don't want.
23:53<dondelelcaro>hachi: and if you were clear, I wouldn't have asked you the questions that I asked.
23:53<niru>dondelelcaro, ?
23:54<dondelelcaro>niru: that webpage shows the packages that I maintain.
23:54<anibal_>niru, you could start helping any debian maintainer with the bugs
23:54<niru>anibal_, yup but I need a startup
23:54<hachi>I /said/ that it was building all the locales, so obviously I chose to have it build all the locales
23:54<hachi>I wasn't saying that I asked it not to, I was saying that I wanted to change the behavior
23:54<niru>anibal_, ie what all things should be know to me,any programming lang, and any other info
23:55<anibal_>niru, choose a package that you care and try to fix its bugs
23:55<niru>anibal_, ok
23:55<dondelelcaro>niru: we have packages in almost every language, so whatever languages you know will be useful. has a list of RC bugs whose fixing would be useful.
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23:57<niru>hello jm_
23:57<niru>how r u
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