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---Logopened Fri Oct 19 00:00:04 2007
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00:20<interbird>but in seamonkey-chatzilla i see no joined/left messages on or is that a dumb question
00:21<bzed>that's a statement, not a question :P
00:21<Hideo_Kuze>haha yeah
00:25<streuner>!coffee bzed
00:25[~]dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for bzed, courtesy of streuner
00:26<ameyer>eww, coffee
00:26<ameyer>sorry, I'm more of a tea drinker myself
00:27<bzed>streuner: thanks, but not today. I have a tea... not feeling well today, flu is coming
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00:27<streuner>bzed: well, i had it 2 weeks ago, many people in .de fight with that actually
00:28<Hideo_Kuze>!flushots everyone
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00:30<punsad>anyone here?
00:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:30<simonrvn>just bots in here
00:31<punsad>how depressing
00:31<interbird>not really
00:31<bzed>Myon: uhm unds/bots/boots/
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00:31<bzed>I should clean the line before starting to write in other chatrooms
00:32<istoc>Hey, what pastebin do we use?
00:32<streuner>punsad: just ask your question
00:32<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
00:32<istoc>cool, thanks
00:32<punsad>I have no questions... I like to answer some if I can (sometimes)
00:33<interbird>did life begin with the big bang?
00:33<punsad>just wanting to waste time I guess... been using debian since '98
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00:33<bzed>interbird: at least my life today began with a big bang somehwere in my head. at least that's how I feel
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00:34<interbird>bzed: that's where it all started... :-)
00:35<punsad>I woke at 5:30am
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00:36<interbird>time is sooo relative...
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00:38<punsad>I think time has stood still in this channel
00:38<interbird>every day in debian is a sunday
00:39<punsad>is this not the main irc server or something?
00:39<punsad>for #debian I mean
00:39<Hideo_Kuze>it is
00:39<punsad>I rememebr the days that #debian was so active
00:39<rtmex>does anyone know how to compare dates in bash?
00:40<interbird>time cannot be compared if it is absent
00:41<punsad>rtmex: at the risk of reducing the traffic in this channel even more, I believe there is a bash channel
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00:41<interbird>i'm a believer of such a channel too
00:42<rtmex>punsad: jaja, ok
00:42<punsad>rtmex: bash may not be able to do it natively, but there may be some cli programs that you can do some pipe, xargs, backtics acrobatics
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00:43<punsad>the people in #bash (or whatever it's called) could tell you.
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00:43<rtmex>punsad: thanks, I found the bash channel, but if you think here's no traffic, you should see bash channel, you can hear crcikets
00:44<punsad>ifrcc, there's this one dude that is amazing at bash advice.
00:44<interbird>or ticklessets
00:44<kop>rtmex: Use date and get the datetime in epoch format, then just use regular numercial compares.
00:45<dondelelcaro>rtmex: oh, you're still working on that? The answer is that you don't compare dates. You compare unix timestamps, and you can do that using []
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00:46<rtmex>kop thanks, I'll check that
00:46<kop>I've got an ATI Radeon X1300 (according to lspci) and am running etch. Any way to get higher frame rates/better resolution without using the fglrx (non-free) xorg driver?
00:46<rtmex>dondelelcaro: yeas, I'm still with that, I have one set of dates in one array and another set of dates in anotherone
00:46<interbird>kop: played around with /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
00:47<bzed>rtmex: date '+%s'
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00:47<rtmex>if [ ${ultima_mod[$contador]} > ${ultimoslogs[$?]} ] don't work
00:47<bzed>rtmex: man [
00:47<kop>interbird: Not so much. It's using the vesa driver now, and I don't know what I can tell that driver...
00:48<rtmex>bzed: thanks, I'll check that too :)
00:48<dli_>kop, try avivo or radeonhd, the new open source drivers
00:49<bzed>rtmex: fi that's really bash... $? will give you the return value of the command you've executed before, I doubt that's what you want
00:49<kop>dli_: Thanks. Any clue what I need to be reading to tell me what driver I need?
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00:49<interbird>kop: possible vesa modes depend on your card and monitor; just readup on the stuff; it's possible
00:50<gsimmons_>kop: You're out of luck for the DRI 'radeon' driver, anyway <>.
00:50<kop>gsimmons_: :(
00:50<dli_>kop, radeonhd probably can run your card without trouble, avivo, if works, gives more more speed
00:50<rtmex>bzed: yes, I'm using to get the result of a previous function I'm calling on the script :)
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00:51<kop>dli_ gsimmons_ : Righto. First to put in the monitor timings. I've got those _somewhere_....
00:53<dli_>kop, radeonhd doesn't want any input from you, better to delete monitor section
00:55<kop>dli_ : It's an old monitor, probably won't autodetect anything. Maybe.
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00:56<kop>dli_: Can I do a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and just tell it radeonhd?
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00:57<dli_>kop, no, you have to download radeonhd git source, and build it
00:58<interbird>and install it as a kernel module
00:59<dli_>kop, you should build from git source, though
00:59<kop>dli_: Humm.. Maybe I'll just give in and use non-free for the moment. I don't plan on running this box with a monitor anyhow. It's a mythtv back-end and I just want to see if it works. (And it's running 2.6.23-rc9 from an expermental sid from somewhere.)
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01:00<kop>(That's it's only non-etch part. Otherwise the nic won't work.)
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01:00<kmap>Hi! A friend of mine using Etch keeps complaining that his time hets rewound by 7 hours at every boot
01:00<kmap>Even if he sets it at every session
01:00<kop>But because of the custom kernel I've no clue if the non-free will work.
01:01<kop>kmap: He's not set the hardware clock right.
01:01<kmap>BTW, his time zone is GMT - 0700
01:01<kop>kmap: man hwclock.
01:01<kmap>kop: Oh, fine
01:01<kmap>kop: Thanks for the tip.
01:01[~]kmap off to forward the fix to friend
01:01<kop>kmap: Also, no reason not to run ntp.
01:01<Hideo_Kuze>is he dual booting?
01:01<kmap>kop: Oh, you think he's runnin it?
01:01<kmap>kop: I'll check with him
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01:02<kop>kmap: Dunno. But everybody should. (If you dual boot, MS does not like the hardware clock to be utc.)
01:02<Hideo_Kuze>yeah, MS is gay like that
01:02<kmap>kop: He's surely a dual boot guy
01:02<kmap>kop: I'll tell him. Thanks.
01:03<kop>kmap: Then he needs to tell the box the hwclock is not in UTC. I forget the package.....
01:03<dli_>kop, fglrx should work (but with random bugs, as usual)
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01:04<Hideo_Kuze>kmap: man rcS
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01:04<Hideo_Kuze>there's a utc option in there
01:05<kop>kmap: Yup. /etc/default/rcS
01:06<kmap>kop: Thanks!
01:06<kmap>Hideo_Kuze: Thanks to you too
01:06<Hideo_Kuze>no prob
01:06<kop>dli_: I probably don't care about the bugs. (I probably won't have sound either. In fact I know I won't because there's no speakers... :)
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01:13[~]interbird is wishing everone a good night and a nice day; thanks for the chats.
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01:33<WildOS>I use ctrl-/ to find a string within a manpage, is there a get next shortcut?
01:34<kmap>WildOS: `n'?
01:34<WildOS>mean shift-/
01:34<kmap>WildOS: OK, sorry
01:34<WildOS>Thanks =)
01:34<kmap>WildOS: No, it won't work
01:34<kmap>WildOS: `N' works
01:35<kmap>WildOS: Shift+N, I guess. Isn't it?
01:35<WildOS>kmap: it worked with just n =) Thanks
01:35<Staz>N searches in opposite direction.
01:35<kmap>WildOS: OK
01:35<kmap>Staz: Ah, now I observe.
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01:35<WildOS>Is this documented somewhere? can't find it
01:36<kop>WildOS: You probably want to read "man less" which is (normally) used to read man pages.
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01:37<Hideo_Kuze>most > less
01:37<Hideo_Kuze>colorized man page :P
01:38<Staz>export PAGER="/path/to/pager"
01:38<Staz>if you don't want to use less.
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01:39<kop>~/.bashrc (but I don't know why anybody would want to avoid less)
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01:39<Staz>neither ;)
01:39<Hideo_Kuze>update-alternatives --config pager
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01:49<chandu>I want to how a client with IPV4 talks/connects with a server with IPV6 enabled
01:49<chandu>can any one explain me how it happens
01:50<chandu>is there need a dual stack - I mean to have datastructure for both IPv4 and IPv6
01:52<chandu>how the address converison happens here
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02:02<chandu>can any one please answer my quieries
02:02<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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02:17<dondelelcaro>chandu: the server just uses ipv4
02:18<dondelelcaro>chandu: if it has an IPv6 address, then it uses IPv6
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02:20<kop>I can't use module-assistant to build the fglrx kernel module because I can't install the kernel-headers because I don't have a linux-kbuild for 2.6.23-rc9, which is the kernel I'm using. :( Even though I'm running etch otherwise.)
02:21<jm_>you don't need kernel headers for custom kernels
02:21<jm_>well as long as you have kernel sources there anywya
02:21<jm_>if you don't, it's another story
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02:22<Onepamopa>jm_, vmware requires headers
02:22<kop>jm_ I initially built my own deb from the kernel sources, but somebody at debian had a deb for the latest kernel so I used that.
02:22<jm_>Onepamopa: no it doesn't
02:22<jm_>kop: right, then you'll need it
02:23<jm_>Onepamopa: to clarify - it doesn't need separate kernel headers package if you have compiled (or rather configured) source dir handy
02:23<kop>jm_: I can go rebuild my own deb. I guess. And add the module source into it. It seems a bit grody, but....
02:24<Onepamopa>jm_, the good thing is - I dont use vmware ;)
02:24<Onepamopa>it's crap
02:25<kop>I don't suppose there's anything that magically makes a linux-kbuild for a given kernel, a-la make-kpkg does for a kernel?
02:25<Onepamopa>well, make-kpkg does the job just fine
02:26<kop>Hey, wait. Can't I use the source package deb and point module-assistant to that so it does not need the headers installed? Was that what jm_ was trying to tell me?
02:27<dli_>kop, if you have the source, and have built kernel, no need for linux-headers
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02:27<kop>dli_: Thanks. I'll try later. My brain is full now.
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02:28<Onepamopa>what about me, I havent sleep 40 hours
02:28<pvallipu>i don't care of your life
02:28<Onepamopa>pvallipu, who's talkin to you?
02:28<Onepamopa>give me a brake..
02:28<pvallipu>my name is sammy terranti
02:28<Onepamopa>you jues joined the channel, and I was talking to yoi?
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02:29<Onepamopa>sorry, my keyboard sux a lot..
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02:30<jm_>kop: only if it's configured
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02:32<dx>lets change the subject
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03:07<chandu>dondelelcaro, if the server has dual stack of both IPv4 and IPv6 , I think it can work as you told
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03:20<chandu>dondelelcaro, but if the server is IPv6 host and the client is IPv4 , how does the connection happens
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03:24<rtmex>How can I know what package installed what command or file?
03:24<rtmex>in Debian of course
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03:25<chealer>!tell rtmex about search
03:26<jm_>rtmex: also man dpkg
03:26<jm_>for installed packages
03:28<rtmex>chealer: I did not get that
03:28<chealer>rtmex: did you receive a factoid from dpkg?
03:29<rtmex>chealer, yes: sorry, I'm reading it now
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03:47[~]bzed glows.
03:47<weasel>a firefly!
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03:48<zobel>there!!! a unidentified flying object!
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03:49<rtmex>go to bed, thank you all for your help :)
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04:11<indraveni>hi all
04:12<indraveni>can some one help me here to solve a laptop issue of mine
04:12<indraveni>I have connected to projector and tried to play a video file
04:12<indraveni>it started playing well in my laptop (its a notebook)
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04:13<indraveni>but there was a blank screen in projector, where all other contents of my system are well visible in the projector
04:13<indraveni>i was continously restarting the laptop and rechecking to diagnose whats the probelm
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04:14<indraveni>all of a sudden, the video file started playing well in my projector ( without doing any mofifications anywhere)
04:14<indraveni>and no display in my laptop ( no problem for this, as in projector its working)
04:14<indraveni>and again restarting the system dint show up anything in the projector
04:15<indraveni>i am not understaning what the problem ?
04:15<indraveni>can some one help me pleae
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04:25<indraveni>anyone who have any idea about my problem there, ?
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04:48<BBoyDanny>indraveni® have you checked bios settings on your laptop? maybe there is an options about the output
04:48<BBoyDanny>it may not resolve the problem, but maybe is a step towards :P
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04:51<BBoyDanny>i have to go now
04:51<BBoyDanny>c u l8r
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05:12<Kebianizao>the triplet passed to autotools is usually arch-os-vendor, but someone at #gcc told me that it shouldbe arch-vendor-os
05:13<Kebianizao>why is debian doing it like that?
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05:18<Guest2146>i know well
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05:20<Kebianizao>where could I ask this?
05:21<Kebianizao>well, I think I'll head to mentors
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05:49<F-Lelo>Hi. How can I automate the cd burn of a file everyday for backup purpose?
05:50<Eulex>I think you at least would need to exchange the cd you burn to every day. or is it a cdrw?
05:50<F-Lelo>It could be a cdrw, no problems
05:52<F-Lelo>it is a test database of oracle
05:52<F-Lelo>but I still need a daily backup for this
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05:54<Eulex>F-Lelo, so, like, when your db gets corrupt, it will overwrite the correct one with a corrupt next time you backup? :D
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05:55<F-Lelo>No. It will be only CDRW, but it will be a different CDRW everyday.
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05:56<df1amb>F-Lelo: I would do this with a cron job.
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05:56<F-Lelo>df1amb: that's what I want, but I want to know the command line for it
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05:56<akai>Does anyone know if FSFE has an IRC-channel and on what network?
05:57<sYsV>hp dv6000z anyone? what are the results so far
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05:57<df1amb>F-Lelo: crontab -e with that you edit the crontab file and to create an image and burn it use mkisofs and cdrecord or wodim
05:58<F-Lelo>df1amb: is it really necessary to create an image before burning??
05:58<df1amb>F-Lelo: the help of mkisofs an wodim is very good
05:59<F-Lelo>ok. thank you.
05:59<gsimmons_>akai: #fsfeurope on, IIRC.
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06:00<df1amb>F-Lelo: well I dont know another way to to that or you use an dvd-rw than this can be doe in one step using growisofs (that generates and burns at the same time
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06:00<gsimmons_>sYsV: Uh, results?
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06:01<F-Lelo>df1amb: that is good... thank you.
06:01<akai>gsimmons_: thanks, ill check
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06:01<sYsV>any luck installing deb on this thing dv6000z? I hear the apic is broke to shit and is a real pain and still most likely wont work? anyone here know different?
06:02<df1amb>F-Lelo: ok no problem. but I have to go now.
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06:03<sYsV>am dl the 64bit ver now but would like any advice if you guys have tackled this one before
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06:09<F-Lelo>I want to give a command like: exp ... file-date-time.dmp
06:09<F-Lelo>how do I put it in a bsh file?
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06:10<padski>F-Lelo: don't understand ' exp ... file-date-time.dmp' ??
06:10<F-Lelo>yes... I want "date" and "time" to be a variable taken from the os
06:11<F-Lelo>like file-10022007-1200.dmp
06:11<F-Lelo>you know what I mean?
06:11<jm_>$(date '+....')
06:12<padski>i like `date --iso=minutes` or whatever
06:12<F-Lelo>hmmmm good
06:12<F-Lelo>thank you both
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06:28<avu>is there a genericway to see why a given package is not available on a given architecture? (if there's nothing to see on or in the BTS)
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06:29<avu>or, if not, or you don#t know, why is are the packages from mysql-gui-tools not available on powerpc?
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06:34<WildOS>Is there a command to find the pid of a running process?
06:34<gsimmons_>avu: Check for testing excuses on that package <>.
06:34<WildOS>I can't find it when using top
06:35<WildOS>though, I know it is running
06:36<padski>avu: mysql-gui-tools is a source package ??
06:36<avu>padski: it is
06:36<avu>gsimmons_: thanks for the additional source of information, I can't extract the reason from there, though
06:37<avu>padski: I am mainly interested in the mysql-admin binary package created from said source package though
06:37<lupine_85>well, you could try apt-get -b source
06:37<avu>yeah, I am trying to build it now
06:37<lupine_85>WildOS: ps aux |grep <commandname>
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06:38<lupine_85>avu: or you could pwn it from unstable, if it's in there
06:38<WildOS>lupine_85: Thanks =)
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06:38<jm_>WildOS: pidof
06:38<avu>lupine_85: I already am using sid. (sorry I haven#t mmentioned that)
06:39<lupine_85>or... you could use pidof
06:39<lupine_85>which seems very useful (thanks jm_)
06:39<WildOS>jm_: excellent! That was what I was really after
06:39<padski>avu: I'm looking for it. meanwhile see
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06:41<padski>avu: and see although I can't make head or tail of that (there are mips and s390 packages listed in the PTS ?)
06:42<padski>avu: ah! different versions ...
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06:44<aredhel>avu, see:
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06:45<avu>ah, buildd logs. why diN#t I think of that. Thank you guys. Seems to be a problem of the past though, I am attempting a local build and so far it's looking good (no errors installing the dependencies, still waiting on my slow internet connection)
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06:46<avu>(no error installing meaning I didn't get the problem resolving the dependencies that buildd ran into last time it tried)
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06:49<avu>running debuild now.
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07:15<ServerSide>hi here
07:17<ServerSide>i've a little problem, lol
07:17<ServerSide>leo@debian:~/eth32nix_rc3$ ./run_eth32
07:17<ServerSide>./et.x86: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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07:18<akai>ServerSide: cd /usr/lib
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07:19<akai>ln -s /usr/lib/
07:19<akai>should be a workaround for you
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07:19<akai>since the debian etch so-file is named and not
07:19<akai>try that.
07:19<ServerSide>i'm on testing
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07:20<ServerSide>ok, i done the two cmds
07:20<akai>so did it help you?
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07:21<ServerSide>stil doesn't work
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07:21<ServerSide>mmhh, lol
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07:21<ServerSide>locate libbfd :
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07:21<akai>if you're on lenny i don't think the libfd-files are 2.17.
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07:22<akai>you know how to fix that i guess.
07:22<ServerSide>yeah, bingo ^^
07:22<darrh00>is the same as they the same channel?
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07:22<jm_>darrh00: no
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07:39<ServerSide>afk for 1h30min school ftw :s
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08:19<shriphani>does debian use .Xresources ?
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08:20<jm_>yes, at least Etch
08:20<shriphani>jm_, do you have a reasonable .Xresources file for rxvt ?
08:20<jm_>shriphani: hmm I have no idea what's reasonable for you
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08:21<shriphani>a slightly larger font than that something the size that comes by default
08:21<jm_>that's what I use
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08:22<shriphani>jm_, thanks a lot
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08:22<jm_>shriphani: you can use /etc/X11/app-defaults/URxvt as a base (or similar file if you use a different variant)
08:22<jm_>or not ;)
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08:23<danny>hello, I have a problem with my MBR. I got some problems during the installation of debian (it said failed to install GRUB) so I installed lilo instead, and now, I got a rescure grub> shell when booting my system, but if I exit that rescue lilo boots and boot debian, so it won't let me choose to enter any other of my OS
08:24<danny>can anyone help me fix this messed mbr?
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08:25<padski>danny: is it possible you have grub on the MBR and then LILO on the partition ?
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08:26<danny>padski: dunno, how can I figure that out?
08:27<mida>Anyone knows if its possible to use scientific exponential notation for decimalnumbers in bc?
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08:28<padski>danny: which debian release ? what does dd if=/dev/sda bs=1 count=16 | hexdump say ?
08:29<seanius>mida: you mean like x^y?
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08:29<seanius>or like X.YeZ ?
08:30<mida>seanius: like 1.2e^-4
08:30<jm_>probably 1.2345+E06 or so
08:30<mida>seanius: Last one
08:30<danny>padski: it's testing
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08:31<danny>padski: damn i don't remember those links to paste the big stuff
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08:31<padski>danny: ok. its just one line
08:31<padski>like 0000000 ebfa 0121 01b5 494c 4f4c 0616 f758 4700
08:32<padski>or 0000000 48eb d090 00bc fb7c 0750 1f50 befc 7c1b
08:32<danny>padski: 0000000 4beb d090 00bc fb7c 0750 1f50 befc 7c1b
08:33<padski>danny: looks a lot like my etch with grub :-)
08:33<jm_>GRUB is identified easily with dd if=/dev/foo count=1|strings
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08:34<seanius>mida: hrm, maybe it can't be done. you could always do 1.2*10^3, but if you're parsing external input...
08:34<padski>jm_: same goes for LILO in fact
08:34<jm_>padski: yeah probably, since it prints LILO if I remember correctly
08:34<padski>danny: best check it that way
08:34<padski>jm_: yeah :-)
08:34<mida>seanius: Yes, that I could do. Thought there is a standard way.
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08:35<danny>jm_: if I do dd if=/dev/foo count=1|strings it tells me that '/dev/foo' : no such file or directory
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08:35<padski>danny: replace foo with the name of your boot device
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08:35<danny>padski: oh, lol
08:36<jm_>mida: calc supports such format
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08:36<danny>padski: damn... too much time without using debian =( how can I see all my partitions? ^^Uu
08:36<mida>jm_: Thanks
08:36<jsg>does anyone know any web guides for releasing software under a licence?
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08:37<padski>danny: the mbr will be on the disk itself, eg: sda, rather than a partition (such as sda1)
08:37<danny>padski: was it fdisk -p ?
08:37<padski>danny: fdisk -l
08:38<danny>padski: ok thx
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08:39<danny>padski: ook it was wat you told at first, grib is in sda (in the mbr I think) and lilo on the partion on sdb
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08:39<padski>danny: you have two hard disks ?
08:40<danny>padski: yes
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08:40<andi_>how to change gamma in ubuntu ?
08:41<padski>danny: its perfectly possible to have chains of bootloaders if you want, but I take it that was not your intention ?
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08:42<danny>padski: well I woudn't midn to have a chain of bootloaders, but yes, I prefer to have only one, so I can boot OSX, windows and debian =)
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08:42<padski>danny: that an intel mac ?
08:42<danny>padski: so I can boot my systems with only one bootloader I men
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08:43<danny>padski: nope, it's a PC, but OSx86 works pretty good in it
08:43<padski>danny: impressed :-)
08:43<padski>danny: what sort of partitioning are you using ?
08:43[~]danny blushes
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08:44<danny>padski: I made the partitions with the default debian isntalled program
08:44<padski>danny: so probably MSDOS style partitioning ?
08:44<danny>padski: then I isntalled windows on the free space I left fot it, then OSx in it's aprtition, then Debian
08:45<padski>danny: so where is the debian ?
08:45<danny>padski: debian is in sdb2
08:46<padski>padski: hence lilo on partition on sdb
08:46<danny>padski: exactly
08:46<padski>danny: sounds like you need to fix your grub installation then.
08:47<danny>padski: I think it got all messed up because when i tryed to install grub, it gave me an error, saying that it codn't be installed, so I choosed lilo
08:47<danny>padski: so i have a badly installed grub and a not well configured lilo lol
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08:48<padski>danny: if you chose to use LILO the config file is /etc/lilo.conf. if you choose GRUB it is in /boot/grub/
08:49<danny>padski: I remember that =)
08:49<danny>padski: so, how can I erase lilo and do a good, clan installation of grub?
08:49<padski>danny: although your safest option is probably to use an installer
08:49<lupine_85>just install grub on top of lilo
08:50<danny>lupine_85: even if lilo is in a slave disk and grub in the mbr?
08:50<lupine_85>if you have two HDDs, you have two MBRs
08:50<padski>danny: I generally use grub-install but I have seen it break in corner cases
08:51<lupine_85>install grub on the MBR of the primary boot disc (usually /dev/hda or /dev/sda)
08:51<padski>lupine_85: yes, it would be sda in this case, IIUC
08:51<danny>padski: but how can I delete lilo? or is not needed if I install grub all right?
08:52<lupine_85>if you install grub in the MBR, it overwrites lilo
08:52<lupine_85>(not the 'lilo' debian package - you can leave *that* installed if you like)
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08:52<danny>lupine_85: ahh, okok
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08:52<ne>hiii, do you suggest a good mail client in debian etch?
08:52<padski>danny: I think you can safely have both packages installed. but if you are not using lilo then it is probably best to remove it with the package management to avoid confusion
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08:53<danny>padski: apt-get --purge lilo?
08:53<Maulkin>ne: graphical or terminal?
08:53<ne>Maulkin: graphical
08:53<Maulkin>ne: evolution or icedove
08:54<padski>danny: I beleive the syntax is apt-get remove --purge foo
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08:55<ne>Maulkin: better one is that has spam filter. or do I haev to use another software for spam filter?
08:55<danny>padski: hehe ok =)
08:55<valdyn>ne: choice is yours
08:56<danny>padski: also, you know if the debian repository is working good? because everytime I try to install something using apt-get it refuses me the conexion to
08:56<valdyn>ne: not like it makes a difference for the user ( you ) unless you use different programs
08:57<valdyn>ne: meaning: you can share external spam filters where you obviously cant share evolutions built in thing
08:57<ne>I see, thanks
08:57<valdyn>ne: but external programs can be used with evolution too.. so as said, choice is yours
08:58<padski>danny: it is just an anonymous ftp server, you can login with the ftp client and user: ftp password:
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08:58<padski>danny: but the name may resolve to more than one host
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08:59<padski>danny: is it as
08:59<lontra>i have vista on a partition on my laptop and it is set to the correct time but my debian partition is 5 hours behind. i can either set my windows partition 5 hours later so that debian is at the right time or deal with the current state. anyone know how i can make debian and vista have the same time? i know this can be done with other distros
08:59<danny>padski: it's just this message I keep getting everytime I use apt-get Failed to fetch Could not connect to ( - connect (111 Connection refused)
08:59<valdyn>lontra: edit /etc/default/rcS
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08:59<valdyn>lontra: UTC=no i think, its explained in there
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09:00<lontra>valdyn: ok i've tried that before but if i change it to no and reboot it will stay at the correct time if i switch it in kde?
09:00<ne>another question, how can write japanese characters ? I am using japanese keyboard? do I have to use an addtional package for that? please don`t forward me to debian-japanese noone is alive there :)
09:00<valdyn>lontra: kde does not change the time
09:00<padski>danny: it doesn't seem to be taking http traffic, but the ftp server is there.
09:00<valdyn>lontra: on vista the hardware clock is set to local time
09:00<lontra>valdyn: yes
09:01<valdyn>lontra: in unix the hardware clock is traditionally set to UTC
09:01<valdyn>lontra: linux gives you the choice
09:01<lontra>valdyn: so if I set it to no it will use vista's time?
09:01<padski>danny: you could try changing that to or try another mirror
09:01<valdyn>lontra: it will read the hw clock as local time yes
09:01<lontra>valdyn: thanks
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09:02<lontra>valdyn: it is already set to 'no'
09:02<danny>padski: ok =)
09:02<valdyn>more /etc/default/rcS
09:02<bcochofel>Hi, can I use wildcards on samba config files?
09:03<danny>padski: the source.list was in /etc/ right?
09:03<valdyn>lontra: what's your local timezone?
09:03<padski>danny: /etc/apt/sources.list
09:03<lontra>valdyn: it's central time USA
09:04<valdyn>im not aware of vista using UTC now
09:04<valdyn>that is UTC+-5 though, isnt it?
09:04<lontra>valdyn: yeah i belive so
09:04<dpkg>[setting time] if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift corrections later.
09:05<padski>danny: apt-spy might be interesting
09:05<lontra>tzconfig doesn't exist
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09:05<valdyn>lontra: tzselect maybe
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09:06<valdyn>!set the time
09:06<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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09:06<valdyn>lontra: ^ ^ ^
09:06<lontra>ok thanks
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09:08<danny>padski: yay now it works from ftp://etc...
09:09<danny>padski: oh now I installed grub in sda1, so it now should work properly right?
09:10<padski>danny: hmm. sda1 is a partition. sda is the whole disk, the first sector of which is the mbr. you have to have *some* boot loader on the mbr on a PC.
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09:11<danny>padski: oh... so now what I do? how to isntallin int he mbr? froma shell of the install cd maybe?
09:12<padski>danny: I do 'grub-install /dev/sda' YMMV
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09:15<danny>oh ok
09:16<padski>danny: I would go so far as to say: "try it"
09:16<danny>padski: so now I have to edit menu.lst?
09:16<danny>padski: hehe well I can afford a reboot
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09:17<danny>padski: if I'm not back it means I'm booting a live cd lol thx for the help!
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09:17<padski>danny: you can edit menu.lst by hand. the installer should have detected and configured your other OS boots (maybe, hopefully, dunno)
09:17<padski>danny: pay close attention to the comments
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09:33<padski>I just tried to pipe an email out of mutt by saving to |/usr/local/bin/foo but it offers to create foo :-(
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09:43<Maulkin>padski: At the message in the pager, press |
09:43<padski>Maulkin: thanks! :-)
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09:51<tzafrir_home>Does does the Debian ppp package support mschap-v2 ? Any special thing I need to do to enable it?
09:52<tzafrir_home>I'm trying ot connect with pptp, and no matter what I do, I seem to get in the trace:
09:52<tzafrir_home>sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 <auth chap MS-v2>]
09:52<tzafrir_home>I believe that the server requires mschap-v2, because I see earlier:
09:53<tzafrir_home>rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <auth chap MS-v2> <magic 0x5620c7af> <pcomp> <accomp>
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09:54<tzafrir_home>System is Etch, BTW
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09:57<ServerSide>re - !
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09:59<padski>tzafrir_home: pptp or ppp ?
09:59<tzafrir_home>padski, pptp uses ppp
09:59<padski>tzafrir_home: ah!
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10:00<tzafrir_home>Not my chioce of a VPN by any means, naturally
10:00<padski>tzafrir_home: in ordinary ppp you use /etc/ppp/chap-secrets (I guess that applies for mchap-v2, dunno) and of source I know nothing at all about pptp :-)
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10:01<tzafrir_home>padski, I added anb entry there. If I remove the entry I get different results
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10:03<padski>tzafrir_home: apparently it would be normal to have MS-CHAP-V2 support (linux in general, not debian specific)
10:04<tzafrir_home>So what does this ConfRej message means?
10:05<padski>I see a suggestion that you put "refuse-mschap" in etc/ppp/options.pptp but allow ordinary chap (ie: no refuse-chap line)
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10:05<padski>see thread at
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10:13<tzafrir_home>sadly, I have no control of the server
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10:15<padski>tzafrir_home: I think this would be at your end.
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10:16<tzafrir_home>hmmm... might have misread this.
10:17<grasn>hey i just installed Netinst, and need a C compiler for installing PIDGIN, can u tell me what is the package called
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10:18<padski>grasn: which release of debian is this ?
10:18<grasn>how i find out
10:18<grasn>i downloaded the WindowsXP netinst
10:18<[machine]>grasn: pidgin as in the IM? just apt-get it?
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10:19<padski>grasn: cat /etc/issue
10:19<Eulex>grasn, paste apt-cache policy libc6 in a pastebin
10:19<grasn>i tried ttheress no package
10:19<[machine]>or if you're using kde, try kopete
10:19<Guest2162>Why would the "mkfs.ext3" command report that a device is mounted, when the "mount" and "umount" commands say it's not?
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10:20<tzafrir_home>grasn, why not just install gaim/pidgin? anyway, apt-get install build-essential
10:20<grasn>padski. Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 /n /l
10:20<[machine]>grasn: pidgin - graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X (that's from current stable)
10:20<padski>Guest2162: I did something like that earlier. if you have the block device locked for another reason, that would do it :-)
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10:20<tzafrir_home>actually current stable has no "pidgin". It has "gaim"
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10:21<padski>grasn: pidgin was called gaim when etch was released.
10:21<grasn>i know
10:21<Guest2162>padski: How would one "lock" a block device?
10:21<grasn>i installed it zesterdaz on debian, i had a c compilder and 2 other packages
10:21<padski>grasn: take a look at for a backport
10:21<grasn>but now i reinstalled linux and dunno the ackages names
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10:22<tzafrir_home>grasn, apt-get install build-essential
10:22<cahoot>Guest2149, fuser -v /dev/<device> ?
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10:22<grasn>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
10:22<grasn>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
10:22<grasn>ahh sec
10:22<padski>grasn: buil-essential is pretty handy, but you can also apt-get build-dep foo
10:23<tzafrir_home>grasn, either apt/dpkg is already running, or you're trying to run it as non-root
10:23<grasn>i made now essential, what i need to do after_
10:23<grasn>is there a c compiler inside_
10:23<padski>Guest2162: in may case it was with drbd.
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10:23<tzafrir_home>build-essential is a meta-package that requires the C compiler and a few other essential build tools
10:24<padski>Guest2162: although I wasn't actually trying a mkfs, so I am guessing about that bit. the error messages are mount are a nightmare :-)
10:24<grasn>thanks it works now!!!!
10:24<Guest2162>padski: Is "locked" synonymous with "mounted"?
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10:25<grasn>XML::Parser perl module is require
10:25<grasn>wich was ne name i guess
10:25<padski>Guest2162: sorry I am just throwing words about. I don't know what goes on in the kernel. nowadays you can mount a filesystem mulitple times.
10:25<cahoot>Guest2162, fuser -v /dev/<device> - nothing returned?
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10:26<padski>Guest2162: but drbd will prevent you from mounting a block device that it is using (which is a good thing for me :-)
10:26<Guest2162>cahoot: fuser is a clever idea, but it returned nothing
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10:29<cahoot>Guest2162, I suppose mounting/umounting the device is useless too
10:30<grasn>can some one tell me were to get GLIP 2.0 development headers
10:30<danny>hello, I have installed debian, but the grub loader didn't detected my other os, so how to configure it so I can boot them all?
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10:31<padski>Guest2163: any nfs in the equation ?
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10:33<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
10:33<Guest2162>cahoot: Yet another clever idea, but, as you suspected, it didn't do anything, primarily because the device doesn't yet contain a file system. Nor did trying it allow mkfs.ext3 to subsequently work.
10:33<danny>padski: hello again, grub is now installed, but I cannot boot my other OS, I have to modify correctly th menu.lst now right?
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10:33<cahoot>Guest2162, ok I'll stop trying to be clever ;)
10:33<padski>danny: yup
10:34<Guest2162>cahoot: I'll try booting...
10:34<padski>danny: # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
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10:34<padski>Guest2162: nfs, swap ?
10:35<padski>Guest2149: read-only media ??
10:35<danny>padski: ok =)
10:36<padski>danny: you should find an example. the strange GRUB disk enumeration can be explained
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10:38<danny>padski: I bet if the other os are in sda1, their grub enumeration should be hd0,0 and hd0,1 if they are in the two first partitions right?
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10:39<padski>danny: that sort of thing yes. sdb3 whould be hd(1,2) I think.
10:40<tzafrir_home>hmmm... my ppp insists on authenticating the server. But I did add "noauth to the command line
10:41<danny>padski: so for windows the boot options are just 'makeactive' and 'chainloader +1' right?
10:41<padski>danny: title, root, makeactive, chainloader should do it
10:42<padski>danny: yes 'chainloader +1' whatever that means :-)
10:42<padski>danny: oops I got that syntax wrong earlier its more like (hd1,2)
10:42<danny>padski: rofl yeah it's always there
10:42<danny>padski: and for OSx.... i'll try the same xD
10:43<padski>danny: enjoy!
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10:43<danny>padski: I love irssi and debian... I think I'm startign to remember it all slowly =D
10:43<danny>padski: after that is done the next step are the nvidia drivers lol
10:43<danny>padski: thx for the help! I'm gonna see if that worked =)
10:44<padski>danny: last time I did nvidia drivers I was surprised. the debian side was easy, it was the windows side that was pain.
10:44<padski>danny: you are welcome
10:44<danny>padski: thx =) I'll log here agian f I have more trouble =)
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10:49<danny>padski: lol mind if I ask you again? =P
10:49<padski>!tell danyy about ask
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10:50<padski>ugh typo.. just ask
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10:50<danny>padski: haha lol, thx
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10:51<danny>padski: I installed my debian without any GUI interface, because I was planning to install xorg and kde myself afterwards
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10:51<padski>danny: uhuh ...
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10:52<rikitan>hi, what is the command - in aptitude - to list all the files in a package?
10:52<danny>padski: so I did, but when I do now startx, it won't start and gives me an error
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10:52<danny>padski: Fatal server error: no valid fontpath found
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10:54<danny>padski: any idea? =S
10:54<padski>danny: it is possible to install an X server without installing the font server. I forget the name of the font server package. xfs ?
10:55<danny>padski: I'll try that
10:55<cahoot>shouldn't need fontserver
10:55<padski>danny: or you could use tasksel to install the desktop task
10:55<danny>padski: hmm? ok
10:55<padski>cahoot: do you not ?
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10:56<padski>cahoot: now you mention it I don;t ghave it installed either :-)
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10:56<danny>padski: so maybe I need to configure xorg... what was the command?
10:56<cahoot>probably missing xfonts et al
10:57<danny>cahoot: no package called xfonts
10:58<cahoot> xfonts-base is one of a myriad
10:58<padski>Suggests: xfonts-100dpi | xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-base, xfonts-scalable
10:58<danny>after installing them do I need to configure xserver?
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10:59<cahoot>danny, what did you install xorg or xserver-xorg?
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10:59<danny>cahoot: xserver-xorg
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11:00<cahoot>I believe you want xorg
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11:00<grasn>can someone tell me where can i change mz kezboard language_
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11:00<grasn>my keyboard*
11:00<danny>cahoot: probably lol, thanx
11:01<padski>cahoot: thanks for sorting that out
11:01<cahoot>grasn, in gnome or what?
11:01<cahoot>must be an option in control center
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11:01<danny>cahoot: yay thx it worked!
11:01<grasn>oki thx
11:01<danny>padski: thx you too for the long help =)
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11:02<cahoot>danny, did you also get dejavu i e ttf ?
11:02<danny>cahoot: huh? I think not
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11:03<cahoot> ttf-dejavu - if you want ttf
11:03<danny>cahoot: ohh, also, now that I installed xorg and kde, will the system boot in gui auto or do i need to configure it?
11:04<cahoot>only if you also installed x|k|gdm
11:04<danny>shoudn't it be kdm if i'm using kde?
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11:05<cahoot>doesn't really matter
11:05<cahoot>(I think)
11:05<danny>cahoot: =)
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11:05<padski>danny: I use gdm with kde.
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11:06<danny>padski: ohh, well i installed kdm, I hope it works
11:06<grasn>i cannot install ntfs-3g, the package doesnt exist. is there any option?
11:07<padski>grasn: I think you want ntfsprogs in etch, dunno.
11:07<grasn>i want to access y NTFS drive as USER, it works onlly as root
11:07<cahoot>grasn, use aptitude search ntfd
11:07<grasn>a mounted
11:07<cahoot>grasn, use aptitude search ntfs
11:07<padski>is ntfs-3g the fuse one ?
11:08<grasn>i dont find ntfs-3g
11:08<m0RrE>gah :)
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11:09<padski>grasn: better yet:
11:09<m0RrE>grasn: upgrade to lenny :)
11:09<grasn>padski. ok thx, can u tell me how to install
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11:09<m0RrE>download the package and install with dpkg -i
11:09<grasn>m0RrE, yesterday onepamopa tried and i couldnt run KDE anymore
11:10<grasn>padski, thx i try
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11:11<padski>grasn: you could also just give users the permissions with other ntfs drivers, I would have thought.
11:12<grasn>we tried that yesterday it didnt work
11:12<grasn>W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
11:12<grasn>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
11:12<grasn>same yesterday, we tried add lines to sources.list but it always gave this error
11:13<grasn>so we tried installing the shit manually, and after kde didn work, now i reinstalled the hole system
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11:14<grasn>padski, oh i tried apt-get -t etch-backports install ntfs-3g
11:14<grasn> and it worked
11:15<Bartman007>grasn: I take it you didn't read the instructions then?
11:15<AREkU>could anybody help me with grub error 18 after an update from debian?
11:15<grasn>i did
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11:16<grasn>can someone tell me how to use ntfs-3g ?
11:16<padski>grasn: see also
11:17<cahoot>seems like a crash course in googling might be the introductory step
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11:19<padski>cahoot: it doesn't hurt to know a few of the usual suspects
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11:20<AREkU>I did a google on it and the error normaly comes up after a fresh install but this was an update. But the solutions were to resize the boot partition, only i'm not to sure about that since its not a fresh install...
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11:21<padski>mysql> select BIT_AND(NULL), 2>1, BIT_AND(NULL)>1 ;
11:22<grasn>padski, thanks i can now access the hd
11:22<padski>grasn: you are welcome
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11:24<Guest2165>FYI: Rebooting cleared up mount, and now mkfs.ext3 works.
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11:25<padski>Guest2165: glad to hear you got a result. shame about the mystery :-(
11:25<dpkg>well, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r"
11:27<padski>ah! select BIT_AND(NULL), 2>1, BIT_AND(NULL)>1, BIT_AND(NULL)<0;
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11:43<danny>hello, earlier I fixed a mess I had in my MBR, and installed grub all right, modified the menu.lst so I can boot the other 2 os I have in my hard drive, but they don't boot, even when I do fdisk -l their partitions don't even appear as bootable, anyway I can fix this without reinstaling those os?
11:44<Myon>afaict the bootable flag doesn't mean anything
11:44<cahoot>no error?
11:45<padski>Myon: windows takes it very seriously
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11:46<danny>cahoot: no error, when I select them in the grub menu, the system just reboots
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11:46<yo_>hay alguien?
11:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:47<danny>cahoot: and the they don't appear flagged as bootable as I said
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11:48<Myon>fdisk can toggle the flags
11:49<cahoot>what kind of OS'es?
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11:49<danny>cahoot: win xp 64bits and OSx86
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11:51<cahoot>danny, try what myon suggested - this is out of my league
11:51<padski>I'm looking at the log of an unexpected reboot on a sarge machine.
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11:51<danny>cahoot: ok =)
11:51<danny>Myon:so, how can I toggle the flags? it's explained in the man?
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11:53<kop>I'm trying to use module-assistant to build the fglrx module (partly because I can't find the radeonhd source and don't know how to use git and partly because I just want a dri capable X to test an app and then won't use it anyway). I've downloaded and installed a custom kernel .deb (2.6.23-rc9) and the source deb. The new kernel is running. I've untarred the source and done "make oldconfig; make prepare" using the .config installed with the kernel. runnin
11:54<Myon>kop: your line was cut off
11:54<kop>danny: it's in the fdisk help output when you run the program there's interactive help.
11:55<danny>kop: ok, I already did thanks =)
11:55<kop>I've downloaded and installed a custom kernel .deb (2.6.23-rc9) and the source deb. The new kernel is running. I've untarred the source and done "make oldconfig; make prepare" using the .config installed with the kernel. running m-a to build the module gets me errors like: "error: linux/ioctl32.h: No such file or directory". I'm running an amd64 kernel. Do I give up and try to use radeonhd or how do I fix this?
11:56<danny>so sda1 in the fdisk partition table will be hd0,0 in grub menu.lst right?
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11:56<ifvoid>danny: usually, yes
11:56<kop>danny: Sounds right to me.
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11:56<Myon>kop: no idea about your specific problem, but that doesn't really sound like "using" module-assistant
11:56<ifvoid>danny: not if you also have ide drives, for example
11:57<tds>anyone use samba here?
11:57<Myon>m-a prepare, m-a a-i ...
11:57<Myon>dpkg: tell tds about anyone
11:57<tds>can someone tell me how to change the password in samba so it won't require my login?
11:57<kop>Myon: I can't install the kernel-headers-* package, so m-a won't work unless you tell it where the kernel source is, so that's what I'm doing.
11:58<danny>ifvoid: they are sata, so I think it will be sda1
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11:58<ifvoid>tds: smbpasswd ?
11:59<tds>ifvoid, yes
11:59<kop>tds: Sounds like you want to give permission to "guest" so no password is required. Samba always confuses me with it's MS-ness. I always poke it with a stick until one of us gives up.
11:59<danny>ifvoid: can you tell me if just writting: title windows, root (hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1 will sucess in booting my win xp partition if it is in the first partition of the first disk?
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12:00<ifvoid>danny: I can't say
12:00<ifvoid>danny: it depends on your hardware
12:00<danny>ifvoid: what else could affect it?
12:00<kop>tds: There's a smdb.conf file or something where "guest" access can be granted.
12:00<tds>kop, yeah, no password will do but i'm using the kde interface to change it and it keeps screwing it up
12:00<ifvoid>danny: other hardware in your system
12:00<ifvoid>danny: why don;t yuou just try it?
12:01<danny>ifvoid: ok =)
12:01<tds>kop, ; guest account = guest that's what i got but it still requires my logon password for linux
12:01<kop>tds: Maybe your client is not asking for "guest" access.
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12:02<tds>it's an xp client, keeps prompting for password and won't access the folder without
12:02<tds>is it safe to just delete the whole "authentication" section? i'm in a fairly secure lan
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12:03<kop>How do I get the radeonhd driver source? Will it work on amd64?
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12:05<ifvoid>kop: freedesktop's git repo
12:05<ifvoid>and probably
12:05<kop>ifvoid: I was afraid of that. Where do I learn how to use git? Just rtfm the man page?
12:06<EmleyMoor>I am trying to mount SMB shares from my partner's Windows XP box but get ERRnomem whenever I try it. The purpose I am seeking is to back it up using tar (through flexbackup)
12:06<EmleyMoor>How do I track down why I get that error? Are there any reasonable alternatives to what I am trying to do?
12:06<ifvoid>kop: there are instruction in the freedesktop wiki I think
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12:07<Onepamopa>or lisa
12:07<tds>oops, i forgot how to change rooms. i'm an irc noob
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12:08<kop>EmleyMoor: You can use cygwin. with that you can use rsync or tar | ssh. Or boot a live linux cd and work from that. YMMV.
12:08<EmleyMoor>tds: /join #samba ?
12:08<cahoot>tds, try /j #channel
12:08<tds>EmleyMoor, thanks
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12:08<EmleyMoor>kop: Are you saying I can make it possible to ssh into the XP box?
12:08<kop>EmleyMoor: There might also be a rsync for MS Windows.
12:08<kop>EmleyMoor: Yes. Cygwin is a unix layer for MS Winows.
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12:08<EmleyMoor>kop: My difficulty there would likely be calling it
12:09<EmleyMoor>I will look into the idea of ssh into it
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12:10<kop>EmleyMoor: The wack thing about cygwin is to refer to the Windows side you need something like /windows/c/ or something. The path starts with something and is a little odd...
12:10<EmleyMoor>/cygdrive/c as it happens
12:11<tds>can someone help? i can't get on using xchat. do i just put that in the "Networks" list?
12:11<ifvoid>tds: /connect
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12:11<Onepamopa>tds, you can just /server
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12:17<EmleyMoor>I still think it would be easier, if I can, to mount the drive over the network
12:18<EmleyMoor>... however, I am getting ERRnomem and can't figure out why
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12:20<EmleyMoor>Is there channel that would be good to consult to try to track down the problem with mounting SMB shares?
12:20<bighornram>what would be an iptables rule to allow a src an dst with dpt=67?
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12:36<lambda>I can't have a wireless creative labs working under debian
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12:37<lambda>I pasted the device section here:
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12:37<lambda>what's wrong with it
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12:37<cahoot>lambda, it has som sort of reciever?
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12:37<lambda>yes Irda
12:38<cahoot>lambda, dmesg reports it's presence when connected?
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12:38<lambda>cahoot, evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0
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12:40<lambda>input: MOSART Semi. Input Device as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/0000:02:00.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.1/input/input9
12:40<lambda>Connected device: "MOSART Semi. Input Device", usb-0000:02:00.0-1/input0
12:41<chealer>!tell lambda about doesn't work
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12:51<cahoot>lambda, tried using evdev instead of mouse as driver in xorg.conf?
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13:00<SLind>Hi everyone. I want to use ecryptfs and i heared it comes with the new kernels > 2.6.21. I've got an old webserver where kernel 2.6.8-3-386 runs. What is the simpliest way to update the kernel? Does anybody know a tutorial?
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13:01<Myon>try using a real crypto partition, cryptsetup + luks
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13:04<fxiny>i'm having an issue with wget and cron . i found 44 processes trying to connect to a site which is not responding to ping . now i'm checking wget timeot/retry options but --timeout , dns connect and read timeout are useless . the site is not up and wget hang or goes on and on . same for tries -t 1
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13:05<Myon>protect the cronjob with a lockfile
13:06<SLind>cryptsetup and luks are two packages? or do you mean cryptsetup-luks?
13:07<fxiny>Myon: ok that will solve the cronjob side . tx
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13:08<fxiny>maybe a if ... ping will do it as well
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13:09<danny>hello, I don't know if this is the correct place to ask about my problem, but I'll go on
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13:10<danny>I reciently managed to solve some problems in my MBR, but after isntalling grub, I cannot boot my windows xp nor my OSx86 systems
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13:10<kop>I'm trying to get dri working with my X. I've an ati Radeon X1300 and have tried the fglrx and radeonhd drivers. The latest problem is that I've no instructions for whatever kernel module the radeonhd driver needs to do dir. I'm a bit lost.
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13:11<danny>all the stuff in the menu.lst seems correct, and they appear as bootable partitions in fdisk -l finally
13:11<kop>fxiny: You could try hping, and see if the particular port you want is open.
13:11<danny>can anyone help me with that?
13:11<kop>fxiny: nc might also be useful in that regard.
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13:12<martijn>danny did you try update-grub ? and check if it had added your other os-es?
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13:13<annaimkonki>which is the best limewire like client for Linux??
13:13<danny>martijn: hmm nope I didn't that, just modified the list and rebooted, and as they appeared, I thought it was all right done rofl
13:14<danny>martijn: now I feel like a fool lol
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13:14<fxiny>kop: is down dead or off : yahoo , is not a port problem , is a wget problem
13:15[~]EmleyMoor thinks he's found a way to back up a Windows box using flexbackup without needing to mount its drive by SMB
13:16<kop>EmleyMoor: ?
13:16<fxiny>it might resolve to some different ip so i cannot if-ping it
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13:16<fxiny>i'm not even sure a lockfile can sort it out
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13:16<EmleyMoor>kop: It turns out you were right about ssh with cygwin - if I ssh as root it actually logs me in to my account on the Windows box now, without prompting for a password, and from there I should be able to tar up the /cygdrive/c
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13:17<EmleyMoor>Can't test yet but will be able to later
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13:17<danny>ok now, I just did the update-grub, but when I select any of the other OS's the system reboots
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13:18[~]EmleyMoor is currently using flexbackup to backup his laptop - that has Linux and Windows on it
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13:19<danny>ok so can anyone solve my boot pproblem?
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13:20<chealer>SLind: start by upgrading to etch
13:21<fxiny>done it with ping : ping -q -c 1 url > /dev/null 2>&1 ; if [ "$?" -eq 0] then wget url . still i believe this is a wget fault or is me overlooking some wget options
13:21<fxiny>all timeots/tries are useless
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13:23<danny>I have installed grub as the boot manager with my debian installation, in the installer it seemed not to recognice my other 2 OS (win XP 64 and OSx86) so I modified the menu-lst of grub so I could boot them, did update-grub and rebooted, when I try to start any of the other OS the system just reboot, the only one I can boot now is debian. How can I fix that?
13:24<SLind>Myon: Same problem with cryptsetup: Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sdb1 contains at least 258 sectors.
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13:24<martijn>danny: if you run update-grub it will automatic create the menu for you, but check if it does detect your other os
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13:25<Myon>danny: please don't repeat that over and over
13:25<EmleyMoor>My laptop is going to be the only pain to backup soon - and only because it's dual-boot
13:25<danny>martijn: it don't detect the other OS, also when I did update grub it didn't rewrited the modifications I did
13:26<martijn>danny: how did you verified that ?
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13:27<danny>martijn: rebooting and seeing that still appear the titles I added manually
13:27<danny>Myon: ok, sorry
13:27<fxiny>danny: google for "grub manual boot"
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13:28<martijn>danny: which version of debian are you running?
13:28[~]fxiny reboots to check if evil yahopsters banned my "current" ip :)
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13:29<danny>martijn: testing
13:30<martijn>mv /boot/grub/menu* to some other dir, then run update-grub and see if it creates a new menu
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13:33<danny>martijn: ok it created a new one, but didn't detected my other os
13:34<george>so in the original menu.lst, the stanza for your other os is what you wrote?
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13:34<danny>george: yes
13:34<martijn>then add your os under the line ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
13:34<george>or before the begin line if you want it at the top of the list
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13:35<danny>martijn: I added them there in my old menu.lst, well, I'll do it again
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13:35<fxiny>yeahhhhhhh : evilrude yahopster banned my ip ! hahahah
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13:36<fxiny>kop: seen ? the world is too small dor my squared head !
13:37<danny>martijn: so to be sure, for windows just with title, root, makeactive and chainloader should work, right?
13:37<george>danny: well it is looking like your original boot stanza for win isn't working... no idea why tho
13:37<martijn>title, root, safedefault, makeactive,chainloader
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13:39<fxiny>so they found a way to kick wget users ? i'll teach 'em how snarf and axel can be *very* nasty :P
13:40<danny>george: so... anyway to fix it? I think that fixing the mbr though my win xp disc then fix grub?
13:40<george>grub's savedefault feature requires that you do something once, like create a file or something... do you remember dealing with that? (if no, perhaps savedefault won't work yet)
13:40<dondelelcaro>george: it doesn't, actually.
13:40<dondelelcaro>george: all it requires is that you change menu.lst to actually use the saved default instead of defaulting to the first entry
13:41<danny>so it's safedefault or savedefault
13:41<george>dondelelcaro: hmm, confusing. I did have to do something
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13:41<dondelelcaro>danny: save
13:42<george>well something other than just alter menu.lst in the way you state
13:42<dondelelcaro>no, that's literally the only thing you have to do
13:42<danny>how do I delete lines in vim?
13:42<danny>I mean blank lines?
13:43<danny>the-dude: thx =)
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13:43<dondelelcaro>if you want it to boot something other than the first the next time, you have to use grub-set-default, but otherwise that's done automatically by the savedefault lines after each kernel
13:43<danny>dondelelcaro: so with that my windows partition should boot?
13:44<dondelelcaro>danny: so set default saved and then grub-set-default of the number which is your windows partition
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13:44<george>dondelelcaro: where is the default stored?
13:44<danny>dondelelcaro: huh?
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13:44<dondelelcaro>george: in /boot/grub/default
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13:45<danny>dondelelcaro: my /boot/drub/default is just empty, just have a warning
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13:46<fxiny>anyway you need the savedefault for windows
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13:47<fxiny>and chainloader +1
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13:47<danny>fxiny: and what do I have to add to my default dile in /boot/grub?
13:47<danny>fxiny: *file
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13:47<fxiny>danny: best way to learn your mistakes is to manual boot
13:48<danny>fxiny: it didn't worked either
13:48<george>danny: maybe if you were to try to manually boot windows by rebooting, getting into the grub shell once it boots, and then typing the lines of the windows boot stanza, then I believe you would type boot <enter>, and see what happens
13:48<george>then you'd find out why
13:48<danny>fxiny: and it's installing debiana mistake? lol
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13:49<fxiny>danny: title : viruz , then : root (hd0,0) , again : savedefault and last chainloader +1
13:49<danny>george: so the windows boot stanza... are the lines in the boot.ini in windows?
13:49<george>debiana, debiana debiana, men have known you...
13:49<fxiny>danny: grub has a nice cli
13:49<george>danny: no, the menu.lst things
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13:52<danny>george: well ok, then i'll try that =)
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13:55<george>that -should- be safe :)
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13:56<fxiny>i'm not really into the latest grub features : i still edit my menu.lst
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13:59<george>that update-grub thing is a debian extension
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14:16<grasn>what is a good bitorrent client? with nice interface
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14:20<qbit>grasn: btg
14:20<cobus>hey there guys. Can someone help me please. I can not play DVD's and it is busy irritating me
14:20<grasn>can i get with atp-get ?
14:20<qbit>nope :P
14:20<EmleyMoor>cobus: What happens when you try?
14:21<qbit>transmission is pretty good.. and apt able
14:21<grasn>qbit, is it a web client?
14:21<cobus>EmleyMoor: i downloaded 3 or 4 programs now incl VLC and none of them can open the DVD. It tells me that the drive cant be opened or that there is nothing on the disc
14:22<EmleyMoor>cobus: Can you mount data discs OK?
14:22<qbit>grasn, transmission or btg?
14:22<cobus>EmleyMoor: it does mount the drive. I can even browse the disk
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14:23<grasn>what is btg, i just wanna a client to download, with nice interface
14:23<qbit>grasn, do you want a web client ?
14:23<qbit>btg, has a gtk, cli and web interface
14:23<qbit>transmission is just gtk
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14:24<cobus>EmleyMoor: Totem tells me that there is no plugin to handle this movie
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14:25<EmleyMoor>cobus: Have you set the region correctly?
14:26<cobus>EmleyMoor: where do i do this?
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14:27<EmleyMoor>cobus: If, as they mostly are, your drive is rpc2, install dvdregionset and use it
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14:29<cobus>EmleyMoor: I have another problem. I can not mount an ext drive. It worked fine and now it doesnt want to. It tells me that the drive wasnt shutdown properly and i should open it in Windows and then use safely remove hardware.
14:30<cobus>EmleyMoor: I dont have Windows
14:30<EmleyMoor>cobus: What filesystem is on it?
14:31<cobus>EmleyMoor: NTFS
14:31<EmleyMoor>I'm not sure how you check a potentially damaged NTFS without Windows... but maybe there is a way
14:32<cobus>EmleyMoor: it is not damaged. it tells me that there is a way i can force mount
14:32<EmleyMoor>OK, force it
14:33<cobus>EmleyMoor: Ok, I'm brand new to Linux. Maybe that will explain a lot
14:33<EmleyMoor>How did you get an NTFS on the external drive?
14:34<cobus>EmleyMoor: Well i used windows until 2 days ago. Installed Ubunto 7.04 yesterday and did the update to 7.10 this morning.
14:35<JasonS>think you're in the wrong channel then cobus
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14:55<dkr>how do newbuntus end up going to so often? maybes it's a default channel in xchat or something?
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14:57<Supaplex_>let's download their sources and find out. then we can file a bug and A PATCH *grin*
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14:57[~]EmleyMoor suspects they know it's BOD
14:58<Supaplex>humm Konversation quit message is a nice clue
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14:58<Aleric>Can someone help poor me to understand .asoundrc ?
14:58<Supaplex>what is it?
14:58<Supaplex>oh wait. lol
14:59<cahoot>unless you have very special needs you won't need it
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15:01<Aleric>cahoot: I have special needs :p
15:01<angasule>dkr: nah, konversation defaults to #kubuntu@freenode , same with x-chat on ubuntu, I think
15:02<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
15:02<angasule>I use kubuntu and debian, they go along well
15:03<cahoot>that's an ambiguus factoid if any
15:03<angasule>Supaplex: you mean I should have more truthiness?
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15:04<angasule>hmm, this is weird, one of my debian boxes is now usign 46MB of RAM but top doesn't show anyone hogging the memory
15:04<angasule>it uses 9MB at boot
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15:05<Supaplex>via cache? buffers?
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15:06<angasule>nope, with those it's up to 154
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15:07<angasule>I haven't done much in it, it has two ssh sessions in it, one running screen
15:08[~]Supaplex sneezes
15:08<EmleyMoor>Bless you, Supaplex!
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15:08[~]Aleric starts to write a new HOWTO...
15:08<Supaplex>why thanks
15:08<Aleric><h1>Howto Just Get The Fucking Audio To Work</h1>
15:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 340] by debhelper
15:09<Supaplex>I only want my kids to have normal audio
15:09<angasule>1. make pizza 2. invite techie friend over 3. ?? 4. Profit!
15:09<Aleric>5. have sex
15:09<angasule>umh, I'd rather do that without any techie friends around :P
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15:10<Supaplex>yea, just me and my woman.
15:10<Aleric>Damn straights, no fun.
15:10<Supaplex>Aleric: has rosy ever let you down?
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15:11<Supaplex>I guess she dear johned you. poor sap
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15:11<Aleric>I haven't had any sex in at least 10 years, so don't get into any details :p
15:12<linuxfce>is a ping range of 22ms to 25ms to a good latency?
15:12<Aleric>linuxfce: Depends on where you live.
15:12<Supaplex>linuxfce: depends on the connection. what's your last mile on? cable? dsl? dialup? t1? fttp?
15:12<linuxfce>cable isp, live in america
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15:13<Supaplex>yea, pretty good.
15:13<Aleric>22 ms is too much for cable, but I get 100 ms to (and my first mile is like 8 ms).
15:13<Aleric>I live in Europe though
15:13<Onepamopa>well, use mtr and find the problem ;)
15:13<linuxfce>o, europe has good speeds
15:13<EmleyMoor>I live in[1] Europe
15:14<EmleyMoor>[1] for some definition of "in"
15:14<Supaplex>some of my electrons live in europe
15:14<Supaplex>they come back every now and then
15:14<linuxfce>my bandwidth is 10/1, but that means very little when browsing the web
15:14<EmleyMoor>If (a) it weren't for my other half (b) we got much further reserved, I would emigrate - to either France or Ireland
15:15<EmleyMoor>(probably Ireland)
15:15<Supaplex>16 ( 98.541 ms 98.600 ms 99.181 ms
15:15<Supaplex>17 ( 143.442 ms 139.388 ms 139.928 ms
15:15<Supaplex>ouch :P
15:15<linuxfce>ouch indeed
15:15<linuxfce>what are you on
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15:16<Aleric>So, what about my first paragraph:
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15:16<Aleric><p>Of course, your audio <em>should</em> Just Work, out of the box. Therefore, if you're reading this, then your audio doesn't work out of the box, and you are pissed about that. It also means that you will have to understand every gory detail, because once something doesn't work out of the box, you have no choice.</p>
15:16<celestialpenso>Kaneis apo ellada?
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15:21<Aleric><p>In order to have audio, you need one or more audio cards. Most audio cards have those colored 3.5 mm Jack plugs. The green plug is the output that you should plug your headphones, or the cable to the amplifier into. Even if your audio already works, then it's possible you still don't hear anything because the volume controls are all down. To turn up the volume, you need to use a mixer application. Try running alsamixer and unmute everythi
15:21<Aleric>ng, and turn all slides up. That might make you happy already, if not, read on.</p>
15:22<Aleric>Um, now it gets harder to write it ;)
15:22<Supaplex>1. If you're deaf, you don't need audio.
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15:29<cahoot>the sorry owner of a hda-intel device?
15:30<Aleric>cahoot: lol - that's one of my audio "cards" yes ;). But I have two.
15:30<Aleric>I want them to both work, that's my own problem.
15:31<cahoot>wouldn't necessarily need an .asoundrc for that
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15:33<Aleric>A big problem is that I can't write this howto for anything that I DON'T have.. like USB audio devices, or an ISA card.
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15:38<sasha>hi , i don need some services that i installed but i dont want to remove them , my personnal solution is to type "mv /etc/rc2.d/SXXXX /etc/rc2.d/sXXXX", is there a better solution ?
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15:38<Aleric>sasha: Yes, there is.
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15:39<Myon>sasha: the proper way is to rename them to Kxxxx
15:39<craigevil>msg dpkg sid
15:40<Aleric>Myon: nah
15:40<sasha>ok , and regarding to exim4 it takes too long to start on my desktop computer but i seems that at need it , is it a problem if i don t start it caus i only use mail throug icedove
15:40<Aleric>There is a tool.. I forgot the name
15:40<Aleric>I thougt it was chkconfig, but I can't find it :/
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15:46<martijn>update-rc.d is the way
15:46<Aleric>Hmm, it was chkconfig ... seems to have been removed.
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15:46<Aleric>manpages-tr: usr/share/man/tr/man8/chkconfig.8.gz
15:46<Aleric>Only the man pages still exist.
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15:47<Aleric>Yup, man update-rc.d
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15:58<grasn>can i place xchat in system tray not taskbar?
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16:00<chealer>grasn: ask #xchat
16:02<grasn>chealer, no one in #xchat
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16:04<iacchi>hi everyone
16:05<iacchi>I have some problem with the installation of java6 in lenny using repos
16:05<iacchi>someone can help?
16:05<chealer>grasn: you must have tried the wrong network. this is OFTC
16:05<iacchi>which is the right one?
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16:05<chealer>iacchi: unlikely, unless you explain how you can be helped.
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16:06<iacchi>ok, so
16:06<george>there's java6 in lenny repos?
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16:07<iacchi>I think so since I have it
16:07<iacchi>I've installed sun-java6-bin/jdk/jre but in I try on console "java -version" it says I don't have java installed
16:07<george>"I have it" doesn't necessarily imply "it's in the repos" :)
16:07<grasn>chealer, wich network is chaton?
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16:08<george>iacchi: and the exact text of the error message is?
16:08<iacchi>bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
16:08<grasn>is there a compiz version for etch?
16:08<george>how did you install it
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16:09<iacchi>with synaptic, I've selected the three packages and I've installed them
16:09<george>try hash -r
16:09<george>and then java -version
16:09<iacchi>with synaptic also, I took a look on which files they've installed, and actually there's not the java executable!
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16:10<iacchi>bash: java: command not found
16:10<iacchi>this is what I get now
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16:10<chealer>grasn: freenode
16:10<george>whereas before it said /usr/bin/java
16:10<chealer>grasn: yes
16:10<george>sounds to me like it got removed
16:11<grasn>where to get it ^^
16:11<iacchi>As I said, I've looked into the files the three packages have installed, and no one has installed the java bin
16:12<iacchi>but this looks odd
16:12<chealer>grasn: from Synaptic, for example
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16:12<iacchi>I mean, the java package can't not have the java executable!
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16:14<iacchi>any idea?
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16:15[~]blahwhee wonders if this is the right place to ask for some help with some trouble with X and mice
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16:15<JasonS>blahwhee: you'll never know until you try
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16:15<blahwhee>Fair enough
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16:17<blahwhee>I'm using xserver-xorg 7.2 from testing at the moment, since I recently tried upgrading to the most recent version of xserver-xorg in unstable, which was fine except my mouse moved very oddly and clicking once produced double-clicks
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16:18<blahwhee>I was using the "mouse" driver, and so I changed it to "evdev" after looking something up that suggested that, and that solved the double-clicking problem but the mouse movement was still very strange
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16:19<blahwhee>It's a bit hard to describe, but if I move the mouse very slowly the cursor didn't move at all, and if I tried to move it in a circle then it seemed to favour moving vertically or horizontally - I tried drawing circles freehand in a paint program and they came out as sort of rounded rectangles
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16:21<blahwhee>In the testing version of xorg it behaves exactly as you'd expect, and I can draw circles and stuff
16:21<blahwhee>and it's a weird and confusing problem with no obvious explanation that I could think of :(
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16:23<blahwhee>The mouse acceleration and things like that all stayed the same, but I assume the mouse movement shouldn't be like that, since it does things like move in a sort of vaguely staircase-like pattern if you try and move diagonally
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16:29<grasn>can someone tell me where to find the compiz start file, after installing on etch?
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16:34<chealer>grasn: from Synaptic, for example
16:34<chealer>oh, nevermind, I don't know what'S the compiz start file.
16:34<grasn>i installed compiz with apt-get install compiz compiz-core compiz-plugins
16:35<grasn>cannot find the start file ^^
16:35<roderyk_>Playing around with powertop, my radeon driver is on steroids (84 wakeups / 120 total). I am using the latest ati drivers from testing. I tried to install the fglrx drivers (both from the reps and from, but all my attempts failed miserably -> everything from not getting dri working to complete screen garbage). I was curious, if I ventured and installed ati drivers from unstable or experimental... would I be getting some nice
16:35<roderyk_>patches for the ati driver to reduce the wakeups?
16:40<chealer>roderyk_: experimental doesn't have ati drivers, unstable has the same fglrx version as testing.
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16:45<roderyk_>chealer: (testing) 1:6.6.3-2 / (sid) 1:6.6.193-3 / (experimental) 1:6.7.195-2 for package xserver-xorg-video-ati, by my search..
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16:47<dude>hello, is "xgl" "openGL" but for linux?
16:47<koollman>dude: no
16:48<roderyk_>chealer: as I mentioned, I couldn't get fglrx working; the ati drivers are the only ones that seem to work well and actually can do some 3d rendering. Would I get a nice power boost if I did manage to get the fglrx working instead?
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16:50<chealer>roderyk_: oh, I assumed you were talking about fglrx. no idea.
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17:06<grasn>how to start compiz :>
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17:07<grasn>i just installed compiz on etch KDE
17:07<grasn>dunno how to start
17:07<blahwhee>I think it's something like 'compiz --replace' perhaps
17:08<grasn>compiz: No composite extension
17:09<wfire>I am pretty new to debian, running etch on a remote box would like to set up an ftp server that doesn't use user list from home directory anyone have any suggestions, sorry if this wrong channel to ask in
17:09<blahwhee>You probably want to make sure you have the lines Section "Extensions" / Option "Composite" "Enable" / EndSection in your xorg.conf
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17:09<blahwhee>where those slashes are linebreaks
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17:12<dude>i just installed ATI proprietry drivers, and they work. Now my system is asking me to update the fglrx-driver etc. is it wise to upgrade? or will it screw?
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17:13<Anon185>buenas tardes alguien que me podri ayudar en configurar un servidor de VPN en debian por favor
17:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:14<Anon185>lo que pasa qes que ahi no ha muchos uausrios
17:14<Anon185>que me puedan ayduar por eso entre a este canal
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17:21<kop>I've only got about 210MB ram. Any recommendations for desktop software? xfce?
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17:27<dude>kop, twm
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17:39<the-dude>kop: if xfce is too slow try fluxbox or so
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17:41<kop>the-dude: Ok. Thanks. If it's really too slow I'll give up and switch to a box with a GB of RAM. It seems a bit overkill.
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17:42<the-dude>kop: most of the time xfce will run fine if you have a little patiance
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17:51<bolivarian>kop, i run xfce4 with 256 meg as my desktop machine, and runs very well
17:52<lupine_85>/KDE/ runs fine with 256MB RAM
17:52<lupine_85>gnome about copes ;)
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17:52<grasn>i need ati drivers to get compiz running, anyone knows how to install ati drivers?
17:54<Eulex>do you mean fglrx or do you mean the free ati driver?
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17:54<lin>alguem aki ja ta usando o compiz ou beryl no 7.10??
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17:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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18:00<Kasot>will asking technical questions here get me kicked?
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18:00<Onepamopa>Kasot, fire at will
18:00<lupine_85>totally. we hate questions that are more challenging than "halp my cdrom won't eject"
18:00<Eulex>Kasot, if it happens to be unrelated to debian, you will at most be redirected to another channel.
18:00<Kasot>am i supposed to have both apache2 and apache in my /etc?
18:00<Onepamopa>great spell checker ;)
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18:00<Onepamopa>I want one !
18:01<Kasot>etch, it is :)
18:01<lupine_85>Kasot: if you have both apache and apache2 installed, then yes
18:01<Eulex>Kasot, if you have or havd had both installed...
18:01<lupine_85>(or have had at some point in the past)
18:01<Kasot>okey, good
18:01<Kasot>is a2enmod supposed to work?
18:01<Onepamopa>I think that it's better to have just one of them installed
18:01<lupine_85>well, I doubt apache cares much
18:01<lupine_85>you could run them on different ports and stuff
18:01<Eulex>Kasot, if you give it valid arguments; yes.
18:01<Onepamopa>yes, but its very confusing
18:02<Kasot>okey, so far so good
18:02<lupine_85>it's the same as running any other two http daemons on one machine
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18:02<Kasot>I'm trying to get ajaxterm to work, but then I need ssl and proxy
18:03<Onepamopa>but in time you'll begin to search where was that, in witch httpd, what's that folder bla bla bla
18:03<Kasot>so i added those modules with a2mod
18:03<Onepamopa>that's what I do:)
18:03<lupine_85>well, never mind :)
18:03[~]lupine_85 can keep track of more than one thing at a time. not sure how
18:03<Onepamopa>lupine_85, me too... but sometimes I just forgot .. ;)
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18:04<Onepamopa>then search search search... then .. rm -Rf ;)
18:04<Kasot>when I've added modules, should i restart apache2 og apache?
18:05<Onepamopa>it depends in witch you're adding modules
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18:05<Kasot>I used a2enmod (my guess is apache2)...
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18:05<Onepamopa>well... that's why I have only 1 httpd
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18:06<Onepamopa>brb, pizza time!
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18:06<Kasot>sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload gives me nothing....
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18:07<Eulex>define 'nothing'
18:07<Kasot>torstein@pong:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
18:07<Kasot>no output at all
18:08<dli_>Kasot, check your /var/log/apache2/
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18:09<Kasot>torstein@pong:/var/log/apache2$ sudo cat error.log
18:09<Kasot>torstein@pong:/var/log/apache2$ sudo cat access.log
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18:10<dli_>!tell Kasot about paste
18:11<dli_>Kasot, sudo -i
18:11<dli_>Kasot, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:13<Kasot>still nothing
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18:14<Kasot>works fine for apache though
18:14<dli_>Kasot, you don't have apache2 installed
18:15<Kasot>apache2 is already the newest version.
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18:15<Kasot>so it seems, yet I do
18:15<dli_>Kasot, apt-get --purge remove apache2
18:16<dli_>Kasot, apt-get --reinstall install apache2
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18:16<dli_>Kasot, apt-get --purge remove apache
18:17<Kasot> I hope u know what ur doing :P
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18:19<Kasot>okey, so now what?
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18:19<cicloner>hi to all!
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18:20<Kasot>pong:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:20<Kasot>still nothing :(
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18:22<dli_>Kasot, apache removed?
18:23<Kasot>yeah.. i just installed apache again though
18:23<Kasot>want me to reremove it?
18:25<dli_>Kasot, yes, remove both apache and apache2
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18:26<Kasot>pong:/etc/apache2# apt-get remove --purge apache;apt-get remove --purge apache2
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18:27<Kasot>I'll have to reinstall php and mysql mods?
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18:29<Kasot>okey.. both apache2 and apache is completly gone, dli_
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18:30<dli_>Kasot, mv /etc/init.d/apache2 /tmp/
18:30<dli_>Kasot, apt-get install apache2
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18:32<Kasot>okey, so apache2 is installed
18:33<Kasot>there is no apache2 in init.d
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18:34<dli_>Kasot, apt-get --reinstall install apache2.2-common
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18:35<Kasot>apache2.2-commen is set up, still no apache2 in init.d
18:36<dli_>Kasot, mv /tmp/apache2 /etc/init.d/
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18:37<Kasot>and then a restart?
18:38<Kasot>which resulted in nothing
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18:39<dli_>Kasot, check your /var/log/syslog
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18:39<miksuh>Kasot: did you install apache2 from debian repo?
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18:40<Kasot>yes, all repos are
18:40<Kasot>what am I looking for in syslog?
18:40<dli_>Kasot, pastebin
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18:43<nichos>hi all, i just did an upgrade to testing and now im gettinga bunch of SATA link down errors on my screen
18:44<EmleyMoor>nichos: For what kind of device?
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18:44<nichos>EmleyMoor im not sure
18:45<nichos>i have a SATA hd
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18:45<lupine_85>woo, testing is broken?
18:45<EmleyMoor>nichos: Well, be sure. Find out which device it is saying and then work out whether that is the hd or something else (or nothing?)
18:45[~]lupine_85 makes a note to not upgrade
18:46<nichos>how can i tell which device?
18:46<nichos>the error says ata8: .....
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18:46<EmleyMoor>nichos: Maybe from what the ..... actually says?
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18:47<nichos>lllexception emask 0x10 SAct
18:47<nichos>doesn't tell me much
18:47<snak3>hi guys
18:47<snak3>I got a problem -.-
18:47<snak3>my sound is not working...
18:48<dli_>!tell snak3 about alsa checklist
18:48<snak3>when I do alsamixer in the terminal
18:48<snak3>come this
18:48<snak3>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
18:48<Kasot>dli_, the syslog didnt make sense, did it?
18:49<nichos>llllwhat is action 0x2 frozen?
18:49<Kasot>!tell Kasot about alsa checklist
18:49<dli_>Kasot, nmap localhost
18:49<dli_>Kasot, pkill -9 apache
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18:50<Kasot>port 80 isnt open (neither is any other normal http port)
18:50<Kasot>pkill didnt give any errors
18:51<Kasot>in fact, it did "nothing"
18:51<Kasot>same with apache2
18:52<nichos>ata8: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
18:52<nichos>ata8: EH complete
18:52<nichos>ata8: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4060000 action 0x2 frozen
18:52<nichos>ata8: (irq_stat 0x00000040, connection status changed)
18:52<nichos>ata8: soft resetting port
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18:52<nichos>is what im getting
18:52<dli_>Kasot, I remember seeing this long ago
18:52<dli_>Kasot, but don't remember the details
18:53<nichos>lany ideas?
18:53<dli_>Kasot, if it's a newly installed box, and you have nothing to lose, give me ssh login, maybe, I can locate the problem
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18:55<nichos>how do i go to single user mode?
18:57<donny_>nichos: did debian install grub on your mbr?
18:57<nichos>_don yes
18:57<nichos>and its gone mad:)
18:57<donny_>nichos: i believe in that case, for each debian kernel, there are two entries in grub. one of them is it, iirc
18:57<donny_>nichos: in what way?
18:57<nichos>it keeps printing that error
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18:57<nichos>its very hard to use this (irc) i have to keep hitting control L
18:58<nichos>to refresh
18:58<nichos>veyr hard to do anything
18:58<donny_>nichos: why don't you get a real client then?
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18:58<nichos>bitchx isn't real?
18:58<nichos>i'd rather fix the problem
18:58<donny_>lol.. if you have to hit ^L in bitchx, something is wrong
18:58<nichos>control L is to repaint the screen
18:58<donny_>yeah, i know
18:58<nichos>the errors go to any screen, has nothing to do with bx
18:58<donny_>if it isn't painting updates automatically, there's something wrong
18:58<donny_>oh i see
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18:59<nichos>so i need to configure grub then?
18:59<donny_>i don't see what that would do
18:59<nichos>didn't you say it was a problem with grub?
18:59<donny_>unless by "configure" you mean reboot and choose single-user mode in grub
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18:59<nichos>ohh, that's what you were saying
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19:00<donny_>sorry for not being clear
19:00<nichos>so no idea about the error specifically;)
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19:00<donny_>well.. what sata devices do you have in your machine?
19:00<nichos>just 1 HD
19:01<nichos>thats it
19:01<donny_>lol, somehow i doubt *that's* the sata link that's down
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19:01<donny_>strange error
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19:01<nichos>ok, ill go single usermode, it's almost impossible to work like this
19:01<donny_>i assume you've rebooted and the problem persists
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19:12<cisko>hi all
19:12<cisko>I have set up Tor for irc, it protects my privacy?
19:13<cisko>live in italy
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19:14<lupine_85>cisko: no, it lets anyone and everyone hax0r you
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19:16<cisko> I have set up Tor for irc
19:16<cisko>my privacy is good? o no?
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19:37<user01>ive googled and cant find much . . . has anyone had any success getting ati mobility radeon 7500 3d to work properly?
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19:37<p455>Can't say I have :P
19:37<user01>im using ati driver, not getting 3d
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19:38<Zombine>Anyone know what package I need to install to write to an NTFS drive?
19:38<user01>3g i think
19:38<Zombine>Okay... *Trying*
19:39<Zombine>Doesn't exist, according to apt
19:39<user01>im running testing and it is there
19:40<user01>not sure about etch
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19:40<user01>etch-backports it looks like
19:41<Zombine>what? for me?
19:41<Zombine>ah. Thanks more.
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19:42<user01>all those ppl seem to have gotten it to work fine
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19:46<user01>cant believe no one has gotten it working on a thinkpad t40
19:48<ckesavan>hi, i'm new to linux
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19:48<ckesavan>need help
19:48<internat2>so im playing arround with lirc, aand ive pluged my usb IR in, but it keeps coming out kernel: input: HOLTEK USB Keyboard as /class/input/input5 instead of a lirc device.. any ideas?
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19:49<dli_>!tell ckesavan about ask
19:50<internat2> <== is what i get when i plug the device in
19:50<ckesavan>hi dli_
19:50<ckesavan>i'm trying to install net beans
19:51<ckesavan>i downloaded the file with .sh ext
19:51<ckesavan>wen i double click
19:51<ckesavan>it opens with gedit
19:51<ckesavan>with any error
19:51<ckesavan>how do i install it ?
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19:58<miksuh>ckesavan: make sur executable flag is set
19:59<miksuh>by the way there is unofficial netbeans debian packages too somewhere
19:59<miksuh>can't remember the url
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20:00<ckesavan>thx miksuh... how do i do it ?
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20:08<miksuh>ooh, Netbeans sems to be in lenny, no need to use unofficial packages when Lenny is released
20:08<miksuh>that's great
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20:09<miksuh>but I will upgrade to only close to it's release
20:09<miksuh>upgrade from etch to lenny
20:11<miksuh>so maybe in the next summer or something like that..
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20:12<ckesavan>thx miksuh
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20:12<ckesavan>i need to do a bit of reading
20:13<ckesavan>every thing u say is just going over my head
20:13<ckesavan>thx 4 ur help
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20:17<nichos>hi all, is this: up to date? im trying to install nvidia drivers and i dont see any nvidia kernel source package
20:18<dli_>!tell nichos about nvidia
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20:19<nichos>am I missing a source? i dont have any nvidia kernel anything?
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20:21<icwiener_>Hi, is somebody successfully running the latex-suite for vim in Sid? Here the addon-manager installs it without an error but lists it as broken then.
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20:27<bach>Anyone currently here for help?
20:27<icwiener_>nichos: Was that for me?
20:27<nichos>for anyone who knows where nvdia | kernel is
20:28<nichos>i don't see it in apt, and these instructions say to install nvidia-kernel-common
20:28<dondelelcaro>nichos: it's in contrib, and you probably don't have it in your sources.list
20:29<nichos>i have contrib and nonfree
20:29<nichos>deb testing main contrib non-free
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20:29<nichos>is what I have
20:29<dondelelcaro>nichos: and you've run aptitude update?
20:29<nichos>apt-get update
20:29<dondelelcaro>!+info nvidia-kernel-common
20:29<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
20:29<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
20:29<dondelelcaro>!+info nvidia-kernel-common testing
20:29<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
20:29<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
20:30<nichos>let me see whats going on...
20:31<nichos>sorry, I meant nvidia-kernel-source
20:31<nichos>!+info nvidia-kernel-source testing
20:31<dpkg>Package 'nvidia-kernel-source' does not exist.
20:31<dondelelcaro>that's in non-free, and it may not be in testing; it exists in unstable, though
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20:32<bach>I have a good question here.... (don't worry... I have good experience with Debian). I want to run two simultaneous sendmail on the same machine (each with its own configuration and port)... and I don't think that CHROOT is a good solution, since I need both to be able to access the same lmtp socket... any idea?
20:32<nichos>hmmm.....the FAQ should state that
20:32<dondelelcaro>bach: why do you want to do that?
20:32<dondelelcaro>nichos: well, what's in testing changes all the time
20:33<dondelelcaro>nichos: things get removed from it because they have RC bugs; in general when you can't install something in testing, there's a good reason
20:33<nichos>would it be better to go to unstable ?:^)
20:33<dondelelcaro>nichos: you can probably just use pinning and install that exact package, or wget it and dpkg -i it
20:34<bach>dondelelcaro: good question. Basically... my sendmail is accepting mail for a dozen of domains... but I now have three of them setup with SpamSOAP.... and I want to run those domains under a different port (since spamsoap supports different ports numbers). The main goal is to have an iptables rules to allow only Spamsoap to deliver e-mails to those three domains and continue having normal delivery on the other domains
20:34<nichos>dondelelcaro thanks for all the help
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20:36<bach>nichos: Perhaps sendmail has a way to program this "ip" filter in the config... but I'd rather not play with my cf file directly
20:36<dondelelcaro>bach: so you're going to have one copy of sendmail listening on one ip:25 and the other listing on another:25?
20:36<bach>sorry... last message was for dondelelcaro... :)
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20:37<bach>no... I only have one ip... so one on ip:25, and another one on ip:1234 (for example)
20:37<dondelelcaro>bach: how do you propose to receive mail for that domain at :1234?
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20:38<bach>As I said... SpamSOAP is my MX for those domain... and in the spamSOAP configuration... I can use different port number
20:38<dondelelcaro>bach: ok, so why do you need to different sendmail setups then?
20:38<bach>Basically... for a reason I don't know... I'm still getting spam in my e-mails with direct delivery from spammers.... they are ignoring my MX entries
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20:40<bach>So... I want to accept e-mails only from
20:40<bach>for 3 of my domains......
20:41<bach>And I need to have default MTA behavior for the other domains I own
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20:41<dondelelcaro>oh, so set up an accesss control which only allows messages to those domains from that IP
20:41<bach>oh? it's possible?
20:41<dondelelcaro>bach: sure
20:42<bach>I guess I should look further in Sendmail 3rd ed.
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20:44<bach>I guess that's why I love Sendmail.... I will be never able to understand how far it can get :)
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20:46<dondelelcaro>you can actually do the same with exim, and probably with postfix too; well, definetly with postfix using milters
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20:58<bach>I just found out to :) with access_db
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21:00<dondelelcaro>good; it should be something like Connect: OK To:foodomain REJECT
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21:03<bach>I would rather put "SKIP" instead of "OK"...
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21:05<bach>uhmm... I'm still getting recipient OK from an invalid IP...
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21:08<bach>uhmm... do I need FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')?
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21:12<bach>oops... the SKIP rule is wrong :)
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21:18<bach>doesn't work with the OK rule neither...
21:19<Onepamopa>blah, my damn co workers always seems to forget to tell me when we'll have maintenance ...
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21:22<amphi>isn't that 'cow-orkers'?
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21:28<Onepamopa>amphi, yep..
21:28<Onepamopa>two upstream providers just went down ...
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21:28<Onepamopa>and I was running around from one noc to another to see what's the problem
21:28<Onepamopa>so... maintenance
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21:33<Requiem>Is there a way to call up a log from the boot text?
21:37<dpkg>[bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
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21:40<Requiem>If it's fixed why is it still off... nevermind
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21:51<GhostlyDeath>There any console based web browsers?
21:52<GhostlyDeath>how good are they?
21:52<zar>wht du want to access
21:52<GhostlyDeath>HTML Forms
21:52<zar>i prefer elinks over lynx
21:53<GhostlyDeath>like e-mail and stuff
21:53<zar>havent used w3m
21:53<zar>does the docs say it is supported
21:53<zar>try elinks
21:54<GhostlyDeath>how do I use text boxes in w3m?
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21:56<zar>have u opend a html page in w3m ever ?
21:56<zar>try this w3m
21:56<GhostlyDeath>I have never used w3m
21:56<GhostlyDeath>I'm at google
21:57<zar>press tabs until u reach the search box
21:57<zar>press enter
21:57<zar>observe the bottom
21:57<GhostlyDeath>I was randomly pressing buttons and im at a huge list now
21:58<GhostlyDeath>gettuing the hang of it
21:58<zar>pressing things randomly wud give u gud results :)
21:59<GhostlyDeath>for irssi, there a way to always show the channel users?
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22:00<GhostlyDeath>in fact, how do you view who's inside?
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22:01<jagerman>I usually just do a /who #channel for the rare times I care. Usually I know who I want to talk to, though, and tab completion tells me very quickly whether they are in the channel.
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22:06<GhostlyDeath>but in w3m, how do I jump to another web page now?
22:07<bach>dondelelcaro: I still haven't got any success :(
22:07<bach>No mather what I do... the reject rule go over the other ones :(
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22:12<GhostlyDeath>How do I start the ipw3945 driver?
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22:18<dondelelcaro>bach: you have to use an OK rule which matches the connections from whatever the spam server is
22:18<dondelelcaro>bach: and a reject which rejects everything else
22:19<bach>Doesn't work :(
22:19<dondelelcaro>doesn't work in what way?
22:20<bach>If I have this: Connect: OK
22:20<bach> REJECT
22:20<bach>check_rcpt will always end up with REJECT :(
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22:22<bach>even if I try from the correct IP...
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22:22<GhostlyDeath>LOL, the weather channel's ticker on the bottom is missing every 'T'
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22:23<jagerman>Didn' you hear? SCO owns he rademark for he 20h leer
22:23<Supaplex>i haxed i for you Ghos lyDea h.
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22:24<ameyer>perhaps someone needs a new keyboard
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22:25<bach>or a debbugging hammer :)
22:25<bach>My laptop's keyboard get often stuck with my hair... :(
22:26<dondelelcaro>bach: try asking #sendmail then
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22:27<dondelelcaro>it can definetly be done with the .cf, but it's probably possible to do it using access too
22:27<GhostlyDeath>How do I extract a .tar.gz via the command line?
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22:27<dondelelcaro>tar zxf foo.tar.gz; man tar
22:27<bach>I will ask... thanks for your help
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22:28<Supaplex>humm hair in keyboard. I won't ask how, or what kind of hairs, but yeah. ok.
22:28<jagerman>I would have put those commands in the opposite order, dondelelcaro
22:28<bach>I'm losing my hair :(
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22:31<bach>Okay... thanks everyone... See you later!
22:31<user01>is there a package for dri? i only see the driconf
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22:31<user01>or is it a kernel module?
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22:32<lhadji>user01, there is a package
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22:33<lhadji>for the free one, libgl1-mesa-dri
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22:35<kop>This could be a bit off-topic. Anybody know of some radio-like hardware that I can use to extend my network about 3 blocks (~1/2 a kilometer) in a not particularly line-of-sight fashion. (Trees, low buildings.) ?
22:35<GhostlyDeath>How do I extract from a tar?
22:36<user01>lhadji:libgl1-mesa-dri ?
22:36<kop>GhostlyDeath: Didn't dondelelcaro just tell you?
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22:36<kop>GhostlyDeath: What problem are you having?
22:37<GhostlyDeath>kop: I extracted a tar from a bz2
22:37<user01>i careated a modules section in x-org but dri isnt being detected by driconf
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22:38<lhadji>make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is installed
22:38<user01>lhadji: it was already
22:38<kop>GhostlyDeath: If your tarfile is not compressed then you _don't_ use z or j on the command line.
22:38<jagerman>GhostlyDeath: Don't include the "z" option then. Or, alternatively, change "z" to "j" to tell tar to use bzip2 to decompress the file first.
22:39<user01>lhadji: 3d wasnt working but then i found a ubuntu help site with an xorg config that worked
22:40<user01>guess that doesnt change much from debian and ubuntu
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22:40<lhadji>user01, it worked without 3D? show me your xorg.conf on pastebin or something
22:40<user01>lhadji: the current config or the old?
22:41<sutula>kop: Search around on the internet for stuff like:
22:42<sutula>kop: You might be able to build two and point them at each other
22:42<lhadji>user01: Both if you want? Label them correctly.
22:42<user01>ok just a sec...
22:43<kop>sutula: I've got enough DYI projects, and it's not my money I'll be spending so I'd sooner something that worked out of the box. (I like the one that uses a giant wok scoop as a parabolic-like reflector.)
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22:44<lhadji>user01, move to PM since xorg isn't much debian talk
22:44<sutula>kop: As you said, probably off topic here but there are lots of web resources on that topic
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22:45<kop>sutula: Trouble is the keywords elude me. (search space too big....)
22:47<sutula>kop: I tried "wireless range tin can antenna"
22:48<user01>\msg nick lhadji that is current
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22:57<Onepamopa>user01, it's /nick your-new-nick
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23:14<user01>Onepamopa: yep
23:15<user01>Onepamopa: was trying an international keyboard sorry
23:16<user01>Onepamopa: not as bad where i screwed up and posted nick password cause i hit the tab by mistak
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23:18<Supaplex>I always /query my target on password sensitive info :)
23:18<Supaplex>even if /msg them is part of my select+paste buffer
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23:45<Onepamopa>blaaaah internal server error!
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