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00:32<x1n933k>Hello room--I could use some help with iMac G5 install, anyone fimilar with PPC build?
00:33<x1n933k>I guess a I'm the only guy setting up debian PPC on a friday night >.>
00:34<ameyer>wll, ppc is a bit... obsolete
00:34<ameyer>heck, x86-32 is getting there
00:35<ameyer>well, I guess ppc's not obsolete
00:35<ameyer>obscure's probably a better word
00:36<x1n933k>Obscure as in can take advantage of Linux's 64 bit builds?
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00:38<ameyer>obscure as in the major source for ppc hardware had about 1% of the market before they switched to x86
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00:38<x1n933k>Well, maybe you can answer a question anyone: after the install of the 'desktop' package does it automatically setup to load xWindows at bootup, and if so, how can I boot to terminal. It's been a while since i played with linux. Isn't there a single-usermode I can enter by pressing a few keys after the bootloader?
00:39<ameyer>when you boot up, the GRUB menu comes up, it'd be "recovery mode" or something like that
00:39<x1n933k>Unfortunately, Macs use yaboot
00:39<ameyer>(well, that's what happens on x86, not 100% sure that ppc uses grub)
00:39<x1n933k>But I'll have to check it up
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00:43<gsimmons_>x1n933k: You can configure yaboot with an entry for single-mode use (doesn't appear to be a default entry in Etch). Remove or disable the display manager (xdm/gdm/kdm) to prevent X at startup (ask dpkg about 'nodm').
00:44<x1n933k>Okay, I assumed I'd have to go into singer-mode use so I'll start looking up how to do it. Thanks for the help :D
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01:06<cydrk>hi everyone :)
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01:07<cydrk>i have some problem with my new server and i hope u can help
01:07<cydrk>i have got an intel server to test with a amcc (3ware) 9650se-4 raid controller
01:07<cydrk>but the basic etch installer doesnt support it :(
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01:08<cydrk>can u give me some advice or something ? :)
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01:09<cydrk>ohh and, no, to put this controller to the trash is not an option ;)
01:13<gsimmons_>cydrk: You can try using an Etch installer with a more recent kernel.
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01:13<gsimmons_>!tell cydrk -about kmuto
01:15<cydrk>gsimmons_: thanks a lot ill try it :)
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01:43<risjh>i plugged in an usb mouse on this laptop ( debian lenny) but it doesn't work, do i have to do any manual configuration?
01:44<klys>see: /etc/gpm.conf
01:46<risjh>klys, i dont have a /etc/gpm.conf
01:47<klys>apt-get install gpm
01:47<dpkg>methinks gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see also), or talk to peterS for he is the master
01:47<risjh>ok thanks!
01:49<risjh>klys, do i need to restart X for it to take effect?
01:50<klys>restart gpm at any tty
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02:10<playround>stl anyone?
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02:11<playround>how do I change rooms?
02:12<black_13>anyone up?
02:12<playround>I don't know how to use IRC
02:12<playround>it's been years
02:12<cahoot>try /j #cahnnel
02:12<playround>cool ty
02:12<Gromitt>playround: <- look there.
02:13<black_13>how do quiet the boot process?
02:14<playround>ty gromitt
02:14<playround>so what is going on with everyone?
02:15<cahoot>this is a no-fun channel
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02:20<stefanha>Hi, aptitude looks very "messy" when run from the console. Maybe it has some curses problems (related to my locale settings)? Does anyone know what I'm talking about ;)?
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02:21<stefanha>(my locale is en_GB.UTF-8 and my keymap is US)
02:22<caringi>hi stefanha, aptitude sucks
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02:22<caringi>use dpkg, apt-get, apt-cache
02:22<cahoot>id does?
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02:22<stefanha>caringi: i'm worried this could happen to other curses apps (which I haven't tried yet - this is a fresh install).
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02:23<caringi>my locale is en_US.UTF-8
02:23<austin_>well if you are, go fuck me.
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02:23<caringi>here... aptitude works fine
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02:57<umer>how can i upgrade ubuntu 5.10 to 7.10
02:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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03:14<george>so if I obtain kernel source for (say) 2.6.18 for etch, are all the arch code present?
03:14<dondelelcaro>george: yes
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03:16<george>ok, so I'm having a problem then... I built an amd64 kernel with this source, and I'm running it now, no problems... but now, I want to use the same kernel source to make either a i386 or 686 kernel, having a config file which is otherwise unchanged from the amd64 build
03:16<george>where do I say "I want a 32 bit kernel"?
03:17<klys>udev is being a pain, I have no /dev/sda1
03:18<dondelelcaro>george: you say so when you specify an arch; it guesses based on the architecture that is currently running on the machine that you're compiling on
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03:20<george>how/where would I specify an arch?
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03:20<dondelelcaro>make ARCH=blahblah; or similar. see the makefile or look at the cross compiling documentation
03:20<george>would I do something like VAR=somevalue make menuconfig?
03:20<george>oh ok
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03:23<george>should I set subarch type to xen-compatible if I'm running this kernel for domUs?
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03:28<klys>~dict domus
03:28<dpkg>could not find definition for domus
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03:29<george>klys: xen is virtualization (running many kernels and therefore OSes at same time)
03:30<george>a xen dom0 is the first os that boots, you start the others (which are all domUs) from the dom0
03:31<klys>is there a xen exokernel?
03:31<george>which boots the dom0, yes, it's called a hypervisor
03:31<klys>can dos run on xen?
03:32<george>probably, if you have cpu support for virtualizatoin
03:32<george>otherwise dos must be patched
03:32<klys>which cpus started including this?
03:33<george>this is a patch to the kernel,,, should be, you just apply and go
03:33<george>direct answer, I don't know
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03:34<lraptor>hi all, does anyone know how to get a list of all the installed packages ?
03:34<dpkg>hmm... xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on
03:35<lraptor>and how to use that list to install those packages on another debian system ?
03:35<lraptor>( on etch )
03:35<klys>dpkg --get-selections
03:35<klys>dpkg --set-selections
03:36<lraptor>ok, thanks !
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03:53<Supaplex>klys: hi :)
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03:55<Supaplex>klys: all the amd socket am2 processors support instruction sets xen can take advantage of to run oses previously near-hostile with virtuiliation (eg, like os/2)
03:55<Supaplex>the intel ones do to, but I hear the performance is lack luster (I like amd anyway, so it was just an easy choice)
03:55<Supaplex>aka. do your homework before paying for stuff :)
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04:00<klys>what is the extension called? simply, virtualization?
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04:01<Supaplex>I eaisly confuse them all
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04:15<muep>may I use nvidia-kernel-source from sid on an etch system?
04:16<muep>or otherwise get a more recent driver for my nvidia card
04:16<chealer>muep: more recent than what?
04:16<muep>chealer: 1.0.8776-4
04:17<chealer>muep: if you don't mind, do you have a particular reason?
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04:20<muep>chealer: I think (don't actually know) the more recent offer better performance
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04:21<muep>chealer: the card is a 7300 GS, which I think is quite new, although not from the most recent series of nvidia cards
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04:22<chealer>muep: you *can* use it, but you unlikely want to, because your nvidia X driver version needs to match the nvidia LKM's, and sid's nvidia-glx is incompatible with Etch's X server.
04:22<chealer>muep: you could also use nvidia-installer, but that will likely break your system eventually
04:23<Supaplex>insanity I say
04:23<muep>nvidia-installer is the official nvidia way to install it?
04:23<chealer>muep: yes
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04:23<Supaplex>muep: suck it up. you know you want VESA ;) hehehe jk
04:23<muep>Supaplex: flightgear is actually what I am after... ;)
04:23<fxiny>that's it : this old PII 400 runs : 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 :))
04:24<Nemoder>you can use the nvidia installer, but if you upgrade your kernel or xorg then you will have to run it again
04:24<Nemoder>also make sure to remove all the debian nvidia packages as they will conflict
04:24<muep>though it works fine with the driver in etch, the experience has been better under Fedora, which has newer drivers
04:24[~]Supaplex ^5's fxiny
04:25[~]fxiny Supa^32
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04:26<Supaplex>fxiny: you have 32 fingers on one hand?
04:27<Supaplex>well, that's different... :)
04:28<fxiny>so : this irssi sits in a screen sessions , right ? heheh and is chrooted , right ? and it connects to bitlbee wich runs in a vserver , right ? debian rox!
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04:28<muep>hmm... nvidia-glx is the userspace componenta and nvidia-kernel-* is the kernel module, right?
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04:28<fxiny>Supaplex: free > Mem: 224444 216200 8244
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04:29<klys>~dict aas
04:29<dpkg>Dictionary 'aas' an associate degree in applied science
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04:29<fxiny>Supaplex: yes only 32 : i'm not a submarine monster 64 fingers powered like you :)
04:30<Supaplex>mmm ok. :-D
04:30<fxiny>but time as Barry Manilow sing : "is on my side , yes it is " :))
04:32<EmleyMoor>I am trying to backup a Windows box by allowing flexbackup to ssh to it, but it doesn't seem to like the find command when flexbackup uses it - it's fine when I try it though...
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04:36<EmleyMoor>(and I'm running flexbackup on a Debian box)
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04:37<fxiny>Supaplex: hey : i set my other box up so as to share a /home/sub_dir with the host . as you told me . i'm still trying to break the chroot , i can cd into the host shared dir from this box but i cannot escape .
04:38<Supaplex>you'll have to rephrase that. too many neurons are offline to compute that.
04:38<fxiny>but i'm sure therwe was a trick long ago . some multi cd . i need to look into my notes
04:41<fxiny>Supaplex: ok : host > /home/VDIR_exchange . and i mount it into the vserver dir . then i ssh into it ending jailed into /host/VDIR_exchange trying to escape the jail
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04:42<Supaplex>vserver guests and host have detached file descriptors. unless the vserver utilty scripts/config mount it, you're not going to do it by hand. the mount simply won't show up
04:43<mida>Hi, last times I have often the problem that my sounddevice seems blocked by a ressource. Is there a way to trace which device is involved to solve the problem?
04:43<fxiny>Supaplex: i did it : vsftpd is virtual : i can ftp files from this box to the virtual and all files end in the host home
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04:44<fxiny>Supaplex: in a subdir of the host
04:44<Supaplex>fxiny: yes that's normal.
04:45<Supaplex>eg, /var/lib/vservers/$GUEST/
04:45<fxiny>Supaplex: fstab
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04:46<Supaplex>what about fstab?
04:46<fxiny>Supaplex: /home/user/xcg /home/user/Virtual_xcg none bind 0 0
04:47<Supaplex>from the host, or in the vserver guest config?
04:47<fxiny>editing the vserver fstab from the host
04:47<Supaplex>eg, /etc/fstab vs /etc/vservers/$GUEST/fstab
04:47<Supaplex>not to be confused with /var/lib/vservers/$GUEST/etc/fstab
04:48<fxiny>Supaplex: yes /etc/vserver
04:48<fxiny>just that
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04:49<fxiny>Supaplex: i have a small / and a large /home so i can sftput from here to the host home bia vserver
04:49[~]Supaplex bangs on the neurons "Work!!!"
04:49<Supaplex>huh what wait a min.
04:50<Supaplex>mida: lsof
04:50<fxiny>it works pretty well
04:50<mida>Supaplex: thx.
04:50<fxiny>no space taken on / but all goes into the host /home partition
04:50<Supaplex>fxiny: :)
04:51<fxiny>Supaplex: that's why i'm trying to see if i can break the jail :)
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04:52<fxiny>Supaplex: so if ftp is a pretty s* protocol (but fast) who cares ? i can stick it into a vserver and moutn a share into the user home
04:52<Supaplex>fxiny: oh, well if you can break out of a guest, you've found a security issue for sure. provided you didn't just give away too many/much capabilities or dumb host tricks to overexpose itself :)
04:53<Supaplex>eg, if the guest can escalate
04:54<fxiny>Supaplex: no no : when i made this jail back iir in '98 i had a go with breaking jails following some cd back and forth . i cannot remember how i did it (it was some russian trick) but it worked
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04:58<blarson>I'm writing a perl program that reads .osm files. At this stage, the debugging output gives a list of tag values (sorted by desending frequency).
04:59<fxiny>Supaplex: are you using ethernet aliases or plain dumb eth ? i'm using a dumb0 iface
04:59<fxiny>but i don't like it
04:59<Supaplex>I use ethernet aliases
04:59<blarson>I used it to find things to fix on my josm file (8 mb). Would others be interested in this?
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05:00<fxiny>Supaplex: so i will follow you at next set up
05:00<Supaplex>blarson: is anything like it on CPAN? if not, signup for a PAUSE account, and consider rolling a module for upload
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05:03<blarson>Supaplex: Maybe when it's much better I'd consider CPAN, but I meant to meantion it on #osm not here. It's not a module.
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05:04<blarson>Supaplex: The XML parsing libraries I found wern't designed for large XML files, so I'm using regexs to parse the XML. They'll only be created by a few programs, so I can make assumptions.
05:05<Supaplex>ughhh. yea, that'll be shot down quick. don't use regular expressions to substitute parsing a document.
05:05<Supaplex>a statemachine will be more maintainable anyway
05:06<blarson>8mb is a small test file. The real dataset is 20gb, and will tripple in size in the next several months.
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05:06<Supaplex>what size of window do you need to operate on that?
05:06<Supaplex>eg, is a 512kb chunk at a time plenty?
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05:07<blarson>Supaplex: yes, if I ignore the outer layer of stuff.
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05:09<Supaplex>blarson: you see at 20gb you're not going to run a re on that all at once. you'll have to take off pieces to bite off and chew. but ... if your re operates on data near the end of your readblock, it might do the wrong thing (like ignore that part).
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05:10<Supaplex>blarson: if you parseit as you go along, you can discard processed blocks, and read the next one before you're too close for comfort in the edge to edge areas. clear as mud?
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05:11<Supaplex>eg, what if your tag is broken in two at a read. you won't see it until the next block glues to it.
05:11<blarson>Supaplex: I'm doing the parsing line at a time.
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05:12<Supaplex>assuming your data is sane/sanitized/etc and always obeys rules, re might work fine. but do consider a parser instead :)
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05:13<Supaplex>anyway, i'm wayyyyyyyyyyy in need of zzz's. too much blood in the cafiene stream :)
05:13<blarson>Supaplex: Like I said, these are only created by a few different programs.
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06:36<BoBo->a protection for doss attack ?
06:37<cyorxamp>Is there a way to get a list of packages I've installed since debian was installed?
06:37<Myon>please don't repeat questions
06:37<Myon>cyorxamp: there'
06:37<Myon>cyorxamp: there's a dpkg log in /var/log
06:38<cyorxamp>Ah cool, I remember doing it differently to that before
06:38<dude>is there a howto for openGL linux. i'm using lenny
06:38<gsimmons_>cyorxamp: Also, dpkg --get-selections '*'
06:38<m0RrE>i've got a strange problem.. rtorrent causes my server to completly stop responding after a few hours of downloading. :o
06:39<cyorxamp>that gives me everything gsimmons_
06:39<m0RrE>does anyone else have this problem?
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06:39<gsimmons_>cyorxamp: Well, filter it, or just use "dpkg -l".
06:39<dude>m0RrE, probably u have to many peer connections?
06:39<cyorxamp>filter by time/date gsimmons_ ?
06:39<m0RrE>dude: naah, that should't be a problem
06:40<m0RrE>i have never had this problem before
06:40<gsimmons_>cyorxamp: dpkg --get-selections '*' | grep -w install
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06:41<cyorxamp>gsimmons_: You don't understand
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06:41<cyorxamp>gsimmons_: I only want to know about packages since debian was installed
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06:42<cyorxamp>The bot in here can explain how
06:42<cyorxamp>I just can't remember the trigger
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06:43<cyorxamp>and I can output it to a file and give it to my new debian system
06:43<cyorxamp>i.e. So the packages are mirrored
06:43<dpkg>hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install
06:44<cyorxamp>nah wasn't '!reinstall'
06:44<cyorxamp>although I can see how it would work
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06:45<cyorxamp>I'd still prefer a list ONLY of those packages since the install
06:45<cyorxamp>So that I can be more choosey and edit it easier
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06:47<dpkg>[dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
06:47<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
06:48<cyorxamp>!aptitude clone
06:48<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine.
06:48<cyorxamp>'package_list' was the file I had before
06:48<cyorxamp>and mwhahaaa I still have a copy :D
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06:49<Myon>cyorxamp: /msg dpkg
06:49<cyorxamp>It's ok, done now :D
06:49<cyorxamp>Thanks guys
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07:04<artur>Hello All
07:04<artur>Looking for a personal finance manager for linux.. nobody heard of Moneydance?
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07:40<elkawee>does anyone know why color escape sequences in terminal emulators need to be surrounded by \[ and \] in order to not mess up the linewrap
07:40<elkawee>none of the docs i read so far mention this
07:41<foxure>Hello,, i want to do a fresh reinstall of mysql, i want the databases, databases to be reseted to default, how would i do that?
07:41<fxiny>echo -e '\E[37;43m'"\033[1mcan't remember\033[0m"
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07:59<googlah>can i have xgl and ati, with direct rendering: yes?
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08:00<kantor>how can I change the language for Debian etch (I'm using gnome)? I mean all the gnome apps. to be in german, or another language
08:01<kantor>for instance
08:01<prahal>how can I set ulimit -c unlimited as a user ? I cannot seem to find where the hard limit is set (not in /etc/security/limits.conf ...)
08:01<egon_spengler>kantor: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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08:04<abusers>topic is 2 month old lol
08:04<Eulex>abusers, so what? only means that there hasn't been any reason to update it.
08:05<abusers>or perhaps a reason to not update it :)
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08:06<abusers>sry, didn't mean to offend anyone
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08:07<silvio> when i run dselect after a install using the netinstall iso, dselect complains about the sources md5 not matching for things as Packages.gz. i'm using in apt.sources
08:11<abusers>stable or unstable?
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08:12<silvio>stable afaik. can you tell me a site that i can put in sources.list to verify that its not that is the problem?
08:12<silvio>it is using etch
08:12<heretik>I'd like to get a svn repository on alioth, I'm on, do I only have to fill the fields and it's ok ?
08:12<heretik>or are there special rules to follow when creating a project
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08:13<the-dude>did you install the debian-keyring package?
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08:13<silvio>the-dude; me?
08:13<heretik>also, at the end of the page, it's written only "scmcvs" exists so can I really get a svn repository there ?
08:14<the-dude>silvio: yes
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08:14<silvio>the-dude; i didnt install anything 'extra' from the netinstall cd yet. the funny thing is, i installed it twice.. the 1st time, apt.sources succedded, the 2nd time it didnt.
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08:15<silvio>can you tell me a mirror site i can use to verify its not that is to blame in my apt.sources
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08:15<the-dude>silvio: try apt-get clean; apt-key update; and try again :)
08:15<the-dude>which key is it complaining about
08:16<abusers>that's why i always setup tftpd+dchp for installation on pxe-enabled machines... never know if it's corrupted cd or broken cd-rom
08:17<dpkg>try /quit
08:17<abusers>thx dpkg :)
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08:17<the-dude>thats why cd's come with a checksum :)
08:17<niwt>I feel like I'm in the twilight zone this morning. 'hdparm /dev/hdc' tells me 'no such file or directory' but I'm burning a disc as I type this. And update notifier tells me that I can 'update' icedove and thunderbird to version 1.5.0. Should I just go back to sleep for awhile and start over?
08:18<silvio>Failed to fetch MD5SUm mismatch
08:18<silvio>likewise for Sources.gz
08:19<the-dude>did you try what I said?
08:19<ifvoid>silvio: can you try one of the mirrors?
08:19<ifvoid> for example
08:20<gsimmons_>niwt: Security updates for icedove/thunderbird packages have been made available.
08:22<niwt>yeah, but why 1.5.0 when I've got 2.0 installed?
08:22<silvio>the mirror works ifvoid. do you have another mirror as that one is insanely slow?
08:22<silvio>it might not be so slow.. i will continue
08:23<silvio>ifvoid; it appears that the problem is
08:24<niwt>gsimmons_: any idea why the update is labeled with an old version number
08:24<ifvoid>silvio: might be faster for you
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08:25<niwt>did I screw something up when I added backports and installed pidgin?
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08:31<niwt>oops - my mistake - icedove is 1.5. I was thinking of iceweasel
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08:32<silvio>thanks ifvoid. bye
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08:33<niwt>any ideas on why /dev/hdc changed names to /dev/scd0?
08:34<the-dude>niwt: burner-device?
08:34<Eulex>niwt, between kernel versions? your cd/dvd device is now accessed through the scsi emulation interface and not the pata one.
08:34<inkver>Is it alright to run memtest for a few hgrs?
08:34<inkver>Like sy 6-10
08:35<the-dude>inkver: yeah why not ?
08:35<niwt>ah, ok - I guess this is the first time I'm trying to burn since I compiled a newer kernel
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08:35<inkver>why not because I'm wondering if it'll yield results in a short span
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08:36<niwt>inkver: I know people who run memtest for days
08:36<inkver>yeah for days is always better
08:36<inkver>that is the problem i cant run it for days
08:36<the-dude>yeah me too I sometimes run it for a weekend or so
08:36<niwt>I'm never patient enough
08:36<Eulex>inkver, you should run it a few hours at least. a few meaning like 6+.
08:37<Eulex>inkver, the longer you run it, the more likely it is that it finds any problems.
08:37<Eulex>running it over-night is enough.
08:38<the-dude>inkver: and if it doesn't come up with error try swapping the memory
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08:39<ithome_>jestem nowy
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08:40<inkver>sopunds good
08:40<ithome_>hi i'm new user :(
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08:46<BoBo->a protection for doss attack ?
08:47<JasonS>BoBo-: pull the network cable
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08:57<fxiny>hmmm : getting rid of evil utf8 won't change LANG="en_US_UTF-8" on /etc/environment
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08:58<Eulex>fxiny, shouldn't dpkg-reconfigure locales do that?
08:58<fxiny>Eulex: -plow didn' t
08:58<Eulex>(if you choose a non-utf8 locale as default)
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08:59<fxiny>Eulex: i need plain en_US cause mrxvt (0.4.0-3) don't support utf
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08:59<Eulex>fxiny, and you chose that locale as default in dpkg-reconfigure locales?
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09:00<fxiny>Eulex: LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales >>> i had to edit by hand to get LANG=en_US
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09:01<Eulex>fxiny, odd
09:01<fxiny>Eulex: i'm checking another box
09:01<Xan>How use apt-mirror ?? a start it and it print
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09:02<Eulex>Xan, read the fine documentation?
09:02<Xan>Proceed indexes: [Psh: cannot open No such file
09:02<Xan>apt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 382.
09:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
09:02<Xan>I'm sure
09:02<Eulex>or are you mirroring an ubuntu mirror on debian?
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09:10<fxiny>Eulex: this "" is from logcheck , goes away only if i edit /etc/environment
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09:14<dude>hello, i have an x problem, error while loading shared libraries: wrong ELF class
09:14<dude>what does that mean?
09:16<warpedby0>did you google on it?
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09:18<dude>warpedby0: yep but i'm usin lynx and it looks, sh*t
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09:18<azeem>dude: what do you mean with "X problem"
09:18<azeem>dude: which applications/command fails and when?
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09:19<izrael>alguien qe hable español?
09:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:21<dude>azeem: i was trying to install xgl, i'amm trying to run an xgl script, by sonique
09:21<dude>the script fails with the same error, and so now does xorg
09:22<azeem>not xorg, xgl
09:22<azeem>well, complain to whereever you got xgl from
09:23<azeem>dude: what does "dpkg -l libxfont1 | tail -1" say?
09:23<dude>azeem: i thought maybe someone could help here, maybe the problem is realy simple i wanted a quick fix. But now i shall have to read copiously
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09:23<azeem>dude: the quick fix is: Don't install xgl
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09:24<dude>azeem: ii libxfont1 1:1.3.1-1 X11 font rasterisation library
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09:25<azeem>dude: what does "ls -l /usr/local/libs/" say?
09:25<azeem>sorry, "ls -l /usr/local/lib/"
09:25<dude>No such file or directory
09:26<azeem>and "ls -l /usr/lib/"?
09:26<dude>-rwxr-xr-x 1 dude dude 421644 2005-09-09 17:53 /usr/lib/
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09:28<azeem>and why "dude"?
09:28<azeem>dude: I assume whatever you did installed a non-Debian version of libXfont over the official one
09:28<amphi>hey, that's your name, dude
09:28<azeem>my libs are all owned by root
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09:29<dude>i didnt install a non-debian libxfont package
09:29<azeem>dude: which architecture are you on?
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09:29<dude>lenny amd64
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09:30<azeem>dude: what does "md5sum /usr/lib/" say?
09:30<Eulex>dude, and what does file /usr/lib/ say?
09:30<dude>f0357c985d9178e06a5af58f80092da1 /usr/lib/
09:30<azeem>and "grep /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxfont1.md5sums"?
09:31<Eulex>I think that "wrong ELF class" means that he's trying to use an i386 library on amd64.
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09:32<Eulex>dude, and that won't work.
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09:32<dude>Eulex: maybe, i'm sure that all the .rpms's i install are amd64 or x86_64
09:33<Eulex>dude, what did file say then?
09:33<azeem>and why do you install rpms?
09:33<dude>azeem Coz i need to install xgl
09:33<Myon>next time try that in a chroot first
09:34<azeem>dude: no, that's not a reason
09:34[~]fxiny wow signal detector crashed on alien rpm
09:34<dude>or want to should i say
09:34<Eulex>dude, did you at least use alien to convert them to debs first?
09:34<Myon>this time, your system is probably foobared
09:34<azeem>dude: installing rpms is a sure way to fry your system
09:34<azeem>dude: anyway, we support neither xgl, nor installing rpms, nor installing 32-bit libs on 64-bit systems
09:34<dude>yeah but this is a small fry. i'm sure its fixable
09:34<Eulex>dude, in any case, however you install rpms, note that doing so is highly unsafe. especially for system libraries.
09:34<azeem>dude: yeah, have fun fixing it
09:35[~]azeem goes elsewhere
09:35<dude>azeem: ok thanx for the help.
09:35<Eulex>dude, anything is fixable, with more or less pain and sweat.
09:35<dude>now i need to find out which package is screwing this up.
09:36<azeem>dude: the rpms ones, obviously
09:36<dude>yeah onviously but which 1
09:36<Eulex>and make sure that you really have amd64 libraries.
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09:36<dude>azeem: maybe not, maybe just 1
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09:37<dude>if it's doesn't work out i'll just zero the whole drive
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09:37<dude>out of spite
09:37<dude>or even a 100 pass shred
09:37<fxiny>to fry it for shure
09:37<dude>that releives the stress
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09:38<Myon>and then sell it on ebay
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09:39<fxiny>lenny doesn't like acid little rpm aliens rolling around his mothership deck :P
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09:40<jagerman>Which toy story character was lenny?
09:40<azeem>the binoculars
09:40<dude>i like it: its funny
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10:07<ErJeDi>i am confused with the server
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10:21<greenplastic>does anyone use testing debian dists?
10:21<JasonS>greenplastic: some do some dont
10:21<greenplastic>could you please past your sources list?
10:21<JasonS>!tell greenplastic about sources.list
10:22<mcquaid>is this possible? I set up my buddy with ntfs-3g so he can mount his ntfs drives with r/w, but he doesn't want his kids to have full write permissions on the ntfs drive, just read only
10:22<mcquaid>i changed the permissions of the dir where it was mounting, but that had no effect
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10:58[~]fxiny noticed hyper borean questioning ...
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10:59<greenplastic>I'm updating from etch to lenny
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11:00<jpardo>Hola a todos
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11:00<jpardo>Necesito ayuda
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11:00<jpardo>I need your help
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11:00<fxiny>we need your question
11:01<jpardo>I need help to locate a how to for install and configurate a FTP Server
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11:02<jpardo>I speak spanish, spanish is my mother language..., some people spoken spanish
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11:03<fxiny>do you want es help ?
11:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:06<greenplastic>which keymap shoud i use, when i'm configuring console data?
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11:07<greenplastic>i am upgradeing to lenny
11:07<greenplastic>any ideas?
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11:08<sep>greenplastic, you want us to decide your keymap ?
11:08<sep>i suggest no-latin1
11:08<sep>i am norwegian, and my keyboard layout is norwegian :)
11:09<greenplastic>what about "don't touch keymap"?
11:09<sep>naw i'd use the norwegian one
11:09<avu>greenplastic: if you're already happy with your keymap, you can keep it, sure :)
11:09<sep>greenplastic, change is nice :)
11:10<greenplastic>that's why i'm upgradeing to lenny
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11:10<kreoxie>whats the command to have the bot send me a msg about alsa
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11:13<dli_>!tell kreoxie about alsa checklist
11:13<kreoxie>thank you
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11:16<dli_>kreoxie, you can: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
11:17<kreoxie>oh ok
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11:34<zulfiqar>i have installed java on 7.10 and plugins as well .. but when i go to to verify it says additional plugins are required
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11:36<greenplastic>i'm updgradeing to lenny and now it's stop here * Starting NFS common utilities
11:36<greenplastic>what can i do?
11:37<greenplastic>what can i do?
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11:51<pmenier>samedi 20 octobre 2007, 18:54:12 (UTC+0200)
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11:57<onepamopa>did anyone knows rar password breaker for debian?
11:57<onepamopa>I have some files with passwords
11:57<onepamopa>rapidshare sh?ts
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11:59<Myon>apt-cache, google?
11:59<onepamopa>I cannot find anything in google
11:59<onepamopa>Myon, by the way, thanks for the "apt-cache"
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12:00<onepamopa>you are very helpful
12:01<onepamopa>lupine_85, here ?
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12:22<faheem___>Hi everyone. Are there any recommendations about where to put an apt repository? I don't want to put it in my home directory because it is official, not personal.
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12:26<faheem___>Myon: Yes, was thinking of /srv/apt. Anyone else using something like that?
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12:28<hrishi>hi, i am looking for a bootsplash enabled kernel , i am using etch, can somebody has any clue ?
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12:32<hrishi>does somebody has any clue, bootsplash enabled kernel for debian etch?
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13:27<panagos>is there an open source peer to peer file system?
13:28<panagos>totally distributed, no server/client
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13:34<lanteau>I'm trying to set up my parallel port connected DeskJet500, but I have no /dev/lp0?
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13:36<george>lanteau: try modprobe lp
13:36<george>or modprobe parport
13:36<lanteau>george: I did do modprobe parport
13:37<george>wait you literally have no file in /dev called lp0?
13:37<george>do you have any lp* there?
13:37<george>cd /dev
13:37<lanteau>already in there =P
13:37<george>then look, you should see a program MAKEDEV
13:37<panagos>does gnutella integrate with the file system? btw, i need it for a lan
13:37<lanteau>yeah I do
13:38<george>look at what MAKEDEV accepts, but I think you can do ./MAKEDEV lp
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13:40<george>also MAKEDEV does have a man page... but: if you have a more modern system (which makes use of udev or something like that) then the system probably should create it and so for that case, you should instead be determining why that's not happening
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13:41<lanteau>george: yeah I think something might be wrong
13:41<george>I imagine that if udev works out debian wants to deprecate MAKEDEV
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13:45<lanteau>george: what I find funny, is cups is set to use /dev/lp0 and when I start cups it doesn't error saying it cant open it
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13:47<lanteau>be back in a bit, going to try messing with the parallel port settings in the bios
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13:58<dexter>i would like to recover a partition in format ext3
13:58<dexter>how an i do that?
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14:00<Eulex>dexter, define 'recover'
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14:00<dexter>bring back my files
14:00<ifvoid>dexter: what did you do to it?
14:00<dexter>i was running fsck.ext3
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14:00<dexter>and it put everything in lost+found directory
14:01<dexter>and now i cant find my extremely important documents
14:01<ifvoid>dexter: well, then your files are in lost+found already
14:01<Eulex>there surely must have happened something bad with your fs for it to do that.
14:02<dexter>yes i think my files has to be there
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14:02<ifvoid>dexter: anyway, by running fsck, you have probably damaged the fs beyond repair
14:02<dexter>what can i do to recover my documents?
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14:02<ifvoid>dexter: very little, propably
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14:03<ifvoid>dexter: putting back the backup is much less work
14:03<lanteau>hey george I got it working now and udev makes lp0. I had to set the parallel port from Auto to enabled
14:03<dexter>i dont have anybackup
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14:03<Eulex>dexter, you can look through lost+found, try to find something tha resembles your lost documents, and try to recover it manually.
14:03<ifvoid>dexter: ay, there's the rub
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14:04<dexter>i tried but i didnt find anything
14:04<lanteau>george: I couldn't previously set it to enable before because the debian kernel would panic, they must have fixed it now so its all working. thanks for your help though =)
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14:04<dexter>maybe fsck.ext3 deleted my documents
14:04<dexter>can it be possible?
14:05<ifvoid>dexter: no, probably something happed to the disk that damaged your file
14:05<Eulex>dexter, for it to even do something like that, your fs has to be seriously damaged _already_
14:05<ifvoid>fsck only tried t recover what it could
14:05<dexter>does it delete anything?
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14:06<dexter>well manually i cant find it
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14:06<ifvoid>you could try to find it manually
14:06<dexter>for example
14:06<Eulex>dexter, you might want to search for whatever signature the file format the document(s) was in.
14:06<dexter>i have a document called homework.odt
14:07<ifvoid>dexter: but first copy the partition to a file
14:07<ifvoid>dexter: and do any operations you might want to to on that file
14:07<ifvoid>in order to not damage the partition any further
14:07<dexter>and i mount the partition in my other computer and i put the searcher to find homework.odt in the entire lost+found directory
14:07<dexter>and it doesnt find anything
14:07<Eulex>dexter, relationships between data and file names are _not_ guaranteed to be preserved in any way when damage like this occurs.
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14:08<ifvoid>dexter: and whatever you do dont mount the parition
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14:08<Eulex>your data might be there. but there's a big chance that data won't be associated with a file anymore.
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14:09<dexter>then i tried to copy lost+found directory to my computer and i couldnt, it gives me an error saying that i dont have enough permisson to copy the files
14:09<Eulex>dexter, the files in the lost+found directory are just raw data blocks that fsck dumped.
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14:09<ifvoid>dexter: the files themselves are useless
14:09<Eulex><ifvoid> dexter: and whatever you do dont mount the parition
14:09<dexter>and i have the permissons to copy the directory
14:09<ifvoid>dexter: you need to look at the raw data on the disk
14:09<dexter>how can i do that?
14:10<ifvoid>dexter: first UNMOUNT the partition
14:10<ifvoid>dexter: and DON'T mount it again
14:10<george>if you mounted it while this converation was going on, it might be of service to you to increase your awareness
14:11<ifvoid>george: he probably fucked up the fs already
14:11<george>sorry that happened.
14:11<ifvoid>dexter: and please start making backups
14:11<george>but increasing awareness is generally a good thing :)
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14:12<dexter>yes ido backups each month
14:12<george>whether you need it or not?!
14:12<dexter>but this time i didnt know that i will have this problem
14:12<ifvoid>dexter: well, obviously that's not freuqently enough
14:13<ifvoid>dexter: yes, that's why you make the backups
14:13<ifvoid>because something unexpected might happen
14:13<dexter>like this time :P
14:13<george>there are things you don't have to back up so often... and then there are those things you didn't and wish you did back up every 3 mins
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14:14<ifvoid>hmm, I guess ODF's are pretty hard to find
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14:15<dexter>well i think im death now
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14:17<dexter>mmm if i use the option fsck.ext3 -y -p/dev/hda1
14:17<dexter>can it works?
14:17<ifvoid>dexter: NO
14:18<ifvoid>dexter: if you want to recover anything, Don't mess with the raw data
14:18<ifvoid>dexter: copy the data, and try to recover the copy
14:18<dexter>i cant copy it
14:18<ifvoid>why not?
14:19<dexter>when im coppying the files, it gives me an error saying that i dont have enough permisson to copy the files
14:19<ifvoid>if you can run fsck, you can copy anything
14:19<dexter>obviously i have checked the permissons and i have full permissons
14:19<ifvoid>but I wan;t talking about copying the files
14:19<ifvoid>I was talking about copying the entire partition
14:19<dexter>how can i do that?
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14:20<ifvoid>dd if=/dev/hdnX of=/some/file bs=1M
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14:29<grummund>hi, i'm running etch but i'd like to get a later version of gnome-terminal, what's the best/easiest way to do that?
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14:31<grummund>because gnome-terminal has a small buggette, fixed in a later version
14:33<ifvoid>the problem is
14:34<ifvoid>that if you upgrade gnome-terminal, you probably also have to upgrade gnome
14:34<ifvoid>and Xorg
14:34<ifvoid>so that would basically force you to upgrade the entire system to lenny
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14:36<grummund>i would consider that, if it's possible
14:36<grummund>partial upgrade to lenny, that is
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14:46<grummund>hmmm, ok then... how about just to upgrade bash to the version in lenny?
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14:47<chealer>grummund: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
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14:49<grummund>chealer: because i believe there is a bug, to do with drawing the prompt and setting xterm title, affecting the combination of bash & gnome-terminal. And it would be nice to not have that bug.
14:49<grummund>if you have etch you may be able to replicate it
14:50<chealer>grummund: I don't have etch, but do you realize that etch and lenny have the same version of bash?
14:50<grummund>no i didn't realise that
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14:59<andrewb78>Hello... I'm having trouble with installing Debian to boot from a USB flash drive. I have it installed, and it boots, but it drops me into a busybox prompt after saying it cannot find /sbin/init. Solutions I have found through Google (primarily, reinstalling udev) haven't helped. Suggestions?
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15:00<ifvoid>so, is there an /sbin/init ?
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15:00<andrewb78>Yes, if I mount in a running Debian
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15:02<ifvoid>no idea then
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15:03<george>I have a kernel for a different arch than the one I'm running, and I want to know how to find out if depmod was successfully run on it. if not, what is the process for doing that manually
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15:04<andrewb78>The problem is roughly that described in I am using etch. I installed it on the USB drive using roughly the instructions found at, except I'm not encrypting any partitions (and have renamed things accordingl
15:04<ifvoid>george: depmod -a
15:05<ifvoid>george: and it will be run on boot anyway, iirc
15:05<george>as far as I know so far, it hasn't
15:05<ifvoid>andrewb78: try booting with init=/bin/sh
15:05<ifvoid>andrewb78: and see if that works, and if in that case, /sbin/init exists
15:05<andrewb78>ok, will give it a try
15:05<george>maybe I should try that :)
15:05<ifvoid>andrewb78: then try to run exec /sbin/init manually and see if that works
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15:09<andrewb78>Didn't work, but the error message changes to "Target filesystem doesn't have /bin/sh" rather than /sbin/init
15:09<george>so I'm running xen, on one of waldi's 2.6.18 amd64 kernels with xen-3.1
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15:09<george>that is running fine
15:09<ifvoid>andrewb78: then something is very wrong with the root partition
15:10<ifvoid>andrewb78: or the initrd
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15:10<andrewb78>Note that I also get the preceding error messages (from the page) about "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed", etc.
15:10<andrewb78>I tried making the boot partition read-write, but it didn't seem to help
15:10<george>but what I want is to start a domU with a 686 kernel from the same place, same version, also patched from xen-3.1
15:11<george>lemme try somethi
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15:14[~]george just made an initrd image out of all the modules for the 686 kernel
15:16<george>so I'm getting this message at the end from booting the 686 domU: request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c
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15:17<andrewb78>The page showed a fix with reinstalling udev, but that didn't work, and the page was from some time ago since I have the version in etch.
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15:20<Ikarus>random question, anyone know of a FOSS TTS engine that has better results than festival
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16:10<ansius>help needed Apache2 dosent exucate *.pl insted offer to download, mod_perl enabled, no errors in log
16:11<dli_>ansius, you have to do cgi:( give cgi folder permissions
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16:15<ansius>and how to do that? sorry for that dummy question
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16:25<fignew>Hello all, I just Installed 4.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2300 server. (500mhz) I've noticed it is _very_ slow. for example: top uses 30% of the CPU when its running...
16:25<fignew>any ideas what could be causing this?
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16:39<black_13>how do disable boot messages from the kernel
16:39<Eulex>you cannot.
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16:39<black_13>you sure?
16:39<dli_>black_13, you can display a bootsplash instead
16:39<Eulex>there are ways to hide them, though.
16:40<greenplastic_>hello, i just upgrade my system from etch to lenny and now i'm having some problems with my video card, should i uninstall old nvidia-kernels ????
16:40<black_13>dli_, what splash?
16:41<black_13>Eulex, how do i redirect?
16:41<black_13>dli_, is that a real link
16:41<Myon>you can recompile without any tty driver >:-)
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16:42<greenplastic_><Myon> me??
16:42<dli_>greenplastic_, you install nvidia for your new kernel
16:42<black_13>dli_, thanks
16:43<greenplastic_>i did, but it's not working
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16:43<dli_>!tell greenplastic_ about doesn't work
16:43<greenplastic_>i am had troubles with m-a
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16:47<george>greenplastic_: m-a helps you build modules whose source is debianized and is not in the kernel itself
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16:48<george>greenplastic_: you haven't said anything about what problem you're having with m-a
16:49<greenplastic_>george how i can find out
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16:50<george>lots of times when you run m-a or any other unix/linux command, it will tell you if it runs into a problem
16:50<contenido>tried to install testing a few minutes ago with this week's netinst and gave an error with debootstrap every time I tried
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16:50<george>so you can find out by reading what m-a says back
16:51<bigjocker>and the businesscard CD from this week hangs configuring APT
16:51<bzed>bigjocker: #debian-boot is the room for you
16:51<bigjocker>last weekś builds install just fine
16:51<bzed>bigjocker: that's the home of the installer team
16:51<bigjocker>i managed to install it with last week build
16:51<bzed>they take such bug reports
16:52<greenplastic_>george, i already installed driver from nvidia's site, should i remove it first?
16:52<george>bigjocker: so... what are you telling us? :)
16:52<bigjocker>just complaining
16:52<george>you don't need to remove it, no
16:52<george>bigjocker: aha...
16:53<george>why not do this complaining where it will cause progress
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16:53<george>if it's the current image that is being tested now, your complaint can actually do something to help
16:54<bigjocker>i just posted on #debian-boot
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16:54<george>cool :)
16:54<bigjocker>more than reporting a bug i'm trying to see if it's a problem with my hardware
16:54<bigjocker>since a lot of distros have failed to install, or even boot
16:54<bzed>bigjocker: if an older image worked it sounds more like a bug in the new installer
16:54<greenplastic_><george> any ideas?
16:54<bigjocker>the only one that has installed correctly is last week's netinst and etch 4.1
16:55<bolivarian>greenplastic_, why are you not using the nvdia package thats in non-free. using the nvdia package from their site is the right one the work with m-a
16:55<george>what do you make of output of dmesg?
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16:55<george>greenplastic_: you mean directly?
16:55<george>you ran their installer?
16:55<greenplastic_>PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:05.0 to 64
16:55<greenplastic_>NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 100.14.19 Wed Sep 12 14:12:24 PDT 2007
16:55<greenplastic_>yes i did
16:57<greenplastic_><bolivarian>there are no instructions for lenny
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16:57<bolivarian>greenplastic_, its same for etch or lenny
16:58<greenplastic_>thanks, i'm trying that
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16:58<Eulex>bolivarian, ...except that lenny currently has no nvidia driver.
16:58<george>greenplastic_: the thing about running their installer directly is it overwrites files
16:59<greenplastic_><george>so what can i do?
16:59<george>you might need to reinstall kernel or maybe some other files
16:59<bolivarian>Eulex, thanks for that I did not know that
16:59<george>what are you trying to accomplish
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17:03<black_13>dli_, is a no go
17:03<dli_>!tell black_13 about doesn't work
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17:04<panagos>is there a log of this channel anywhere?
17:04<greenplastic_>after Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-2-k7 (1.0.8776-4+2.6.22-4), i'm getting this * The update-modules command is deprecated and should
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17:04<greenplastic_>what does that stroke means?
17:04<greenplastic_>* The update-modules command is deprecated and should
17:04<greenplastic_>not be used
17:05<black_13>dli_, i am unable to connect to the website
17:05<black_13>is there another place that i can obtaint the patches from
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17:09<dli_>greenplastic_, follow the instruction from factoid, also try to run the installer from
17:10<george>greenplastic_: so when you flooded your log to me in that /msg, did you ask me first whether that would be ok
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17:11<greenplastic_>dli_, okay thanks
17:12<ansius>help needed Apache2 dosent exucate *.pl insted it offers to download, mod_perl enabled, no errors in log...
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17:15<george>ansius: other places that might also have the answer: #apache, #perl
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17:15<sasha>hi did someone manage to compile firewalk under debian
17:16<ansius>not much help if in #apache sits I, ME and MYSELF
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17:18<Supaplex>try freenode #apache
17:18<george>wow, three that could potentially help!
17:19<Supaplex>yea, you'll have to be nice to all of them. or you will not like yourself %-)
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17:27<asm51>Hello for all
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17:28<Wisintainer>hello for all
17:29<Supaplex>hi again
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17:30<Wisintainer>./ NICK
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17:30<Br01>hi all
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17:31<Jmd>I'm having trouble installing Debian Lenny from a netinst CD
17:31<Br01>how to mount a ntfs partition
17:31<Jmd>Everything works up until the base install step
17:31<dpkg>ntfs is probably Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
17:31<Jmd>It says Debootstrap failed to chroot
17:31<Jmd>Is there some option I should pass to the installer so this won't happen?
17:31<Jmd>Or am I going to have to install Etch and upgrade?
17:32<Supaplex>Jmd: i'd try etch, it's the proven stable release.
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17:32<Jmd>I probably will. I like lenny because of it's updated packages though.
17:32<Supaplex>if you choose expert, etch *might* offer an option to use lenny
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17:32<Jmd>Hmm, I'll check it out.
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17:32<Jmd>Ok, regardless I can just upgrade to Lenny after an Etch install
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17:33<Br01>Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites :
17:33<Br01> ntfs-3g: Dépend: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) mais 2.5.3-4.4 devra être installé
17:33<Br01>E: Paquets défectueux
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17:34<streuner>Br01: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
17:35<sasha>hi what is the best program to see the librairies used by an ELF binary prog
17:35<ELTHAM_10_AU>can i have a private chat with someone
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17:36<greenplastic>now I'm getting this error (II) Module already built in (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
17:36<Br01>streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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17:36<streuner>Br01: show us your sources.list in paster bot
17:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
17:36<ELTHAM_10_AU>h i
17:37<ELTHAM_10_AU>can someone talk to me
17:37<Br01>ok streuner
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17:38<Supaplex>!tell ELTHAM_10_AU -about ask
17:38<streuner>sasha: ldd
17:38<Br01>streuner, i do the past
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17:42<panagos>is there a log of this channel anywhere?
17:42<Br01>streuner, are u here !!
17:42<Supaplex>panagos: I hear it's on the internets
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17:43<streuner>panagos: prolly not, apt isnt here
17:43<panagos>Supaplex: which ones?
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17:49<BoBo`>A firewall for Demential of Service ?
17:49<BoBo`>Doss attack ?
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17:50<Supaplex>ifdown -a ;)
17:50<dpkg>firewall is, like, a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
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17:50<dpkg>[fuse] at, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.
17:51<BoBo`>WHAT IS ifdown -a ?
17:51<humpel>during install i was asked what mirror i want. it didn't work because i had no network connection. how do i repeat this configuration step in an installed system?
17:51<george>man ifdown
17:51<george>and see
17:52<BoBo`>stop the net
17:52<george>you want to get off? :)
17:52<BoBo`>ifdown eth1 or eth-
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17:52<chealer>humpel: which Debian suite do you use?
17:52<BoBo`>i don`t have a script for firewall ...
17:52<BoBo`>a good protection :(
17:52<humpel>chealer: it's etch r1
17:52<george>you could write your own
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17:54<BoBo`>george exist a protect for doss attack ?
17:54<george>you can write one
17:54<BoBo`>but i don`t know =))
17:54<george>you can learn
17:54<BoBo`>where ?
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17:54<BoBo`>but not iptables ...
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17:55<BoBo`>a script or .. i don`t know
17:55<george>what do you have if not iptables?
17:57<panagos>is there a peer to peer file system? i mean one that ingegrates with the file system, like eg NFS. for use in a LAN
17:57<george>nfs won't work in a lan?
17:57<Supaplex>BoBo`: the best proection is avoiding one. don't piss off any script kiddies, and you won't earn a ddos. simple :)
17:57<sasha>hi , i need some help , i have some librairy into a folder and i would like to change the ./configure from another proggram to look into that folder how can i do this
17:58<george>./configure --help
17:58<chealer>humpel: do you use GNOME?
17:59<humpel>chealer: i said to tasksel i want a "desktop environment". so i think, yes
17:59<panagos>george: it will, but it's not decentralised...
17:59<chealer>humpel: did you check Synaptic Package Manager?
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17:59<george>BoBo`: and along the lines of Supaplex's advice, don't go near places where there are crackers/dosers/whatever
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18:00<donald>How can I net install kde and not gnome
18:00<george>panagos: ok, probably you're going to have to be more detailed
18:00<BoBo`>george i have a radio station on my linux and hackers flood me ...
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18:01<george>BoBo`: why?
18:01<BoBo`>i don`t know george
18:01<george>donald: try: apt-get install kde
18:02<george>BoBo`: oh
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18:03<donald>I have done that, but I want to a fresh install on another box, and just want kde not gnome, I am having to many problems with gdm restarting
18:03<george>donald: and don't do: apt-get install gnome
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18:03<george>why is gnome restarting?
18:03<donald>so far the net install does a automatic install of gnome
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18:04<donald>it is a quirk in the newer gnome distro
18:04<Supaplex>BoBo`: iptables howto is a start. there's a iptables-save and iptables-restore script that make it easy. no it's not automatic. you control it incase you get locked out of your machine. you'll want to study up on networking to get finer grain controll (so you know how to use it more effectively)
18:04<sasha>what is the gcc command to reference a dynamic librairy
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18:04<donald>there is much in the web about it
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18:04<donald>I have no problems with kde with kdm
18:05<chealer>donald: at the boot prompt, use the parameter "tasks=kde-desktop,standard"
18:05<Br01>i can install gnome and kde in the same time ?
18:05<chealer>Br01: yes
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18:05<Br01>ok :)
18:05<donald>yes, I could have both, but I want a fresh install with just kde using kdm as the display manager
18:05<Br01>no i'm usin gnome
18:06<Br01>what can i do to install kde
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18:06<wo0f>yo goys
18:06<wo0f>guys* :P
18:06<wo0f>anyone use boinc?
18:06<Supaplex>!anyone use boinc
18:06<dpkg>No, no one uses boinc, not even the people who use it.
18:06<Supaplex>BoBo`: apt-get install kde
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18:06<george>when you say "newer gnome dist" what do you mean specifically
18:07<donald>can i install just a base os and then apt-get what I want for kde?
18:07<Supaplex>BoBo`: remove gnome if you don't want it.
18:07<wo0f>is there just a command line version of boinc?
18:07<Supaplex>donald: yes.
18:07<wo0f>as i do not run a gui
18:07<donald>anything so far over 2.0
18:07<Supaplex>wo0f: what is it?
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18:09<donald>Supaplex what would I install?
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18:09<george>wo0f, so the instructions would be at the url you just posted
18:09<george>as would be links to info about it
18:09<wo0f>george: rgr
18:10<chealer>Br01: ask #debian-kde
18:10<george>so you're saying that the answers to your questions are either on that page or linked from that page?
18:11<Br01>how can i mount my 2 ntfs partition without using ntfs-3g
18:11<donald>Does debian make a net install CD with kde as the default?
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18:11<jorijn>Hi there.
18:11<chealer>donald: no
18:11<Supaplex>!tell donald -about kde
18:11<donald>Is there a full install cd with kde only?
18:11<jorijn>If I wanted to change the system-wide language, to something different chosen in the internal installer, how would I be doing that?
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18:12<chealer>donald: yes
18:12<george>but if you have a fast net connection you don't need cds
18:12<wo0f>george: im saying your right
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18:13<george>didn't you ask before whether you could install the base from the netinstall cd?
18:13<donald>I say on the CD list a CD for kde, it is labled CD 1 is there other cd's I would need to download, I do not see a CD 2 or others?
18:13<george>(if no, the answer is yes :)
18:13<chealer>donald: no. just KDE CD 1 won't install the full KDE without a net connection, but that shouldn't be a problem.
18:14<george>cds you ==need== to download => none
18:14<donald>I know I can base install from a net cd
18:14<george>once you install the base you can apt-get install kde kdm
18:14<george>and you might want an x server on that box too
18:14<donald>will I have to manualy configure xserver?
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18:16<Supaplex>wo0f: based on the description, I think the boinc project would be best to ask for the feature you want
18:16<donald>sideline > what is boinc?
18:16<george>the thing is this... if you do install kde and kdm, these are all clients, and they do not grab a server too... the jist of which is you'd need a server on some box
18:17<Supaplex>donald: distributed computing platform
18:17<donald>I know how to configure xserve with gnome, any different with kde?
18:17<george>do you understand the thing about x clients and x servers?
18:18<donald>gerage yes
18:18<donald>george > sorry
18:18<george>you generally don't configure an x server with gnome...
18:18<donald>but if I install with full cd that should not be a problem correct?
18:19<donald>I ahve to configure a xserver with gnome when I install ved card drivers
18:19<george>no more or less problematic than getting the packages thru the net
18:19<george>do you intend to run an x server on the same box where you install the kde clients?
18:20<george>ok, then I recommend that you get the x server going before you install kde
18:20<george>get to the point where you can start it with X, move the mouse around, and then kill it with ctrl-alt-backspace
18:21<donald>George and all you have been a great help. I think I will go with the full CD
18:21<george>once you can do that, you know you have a working x server (-independent- of gnome kde fvwm twm or anything else)
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18:21<george>then install kde and kdm
18:21<george>and it will just start up
18:21<donald>thaks george
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18:22<donald>cya all later
18:22<george>(as with other types of servers installable from debian packages,
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18:24<HolyAvenger>Well, hello!
18:24<HolyAvenger>Anyone knows of a good, easy, simple, torrent manager that works on console mode?
18:25<george>maybe, but I don't
18:25<HolyAvenger>I tried rtorrent, but it was no use. =(
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18:25<george>would be helpful to know why it wasn't of use
18:25<HolyAvenger>I was thinking on getting a good recomendation here or installing GNOME and run the first thing that comes by ...
18:26<george>again, would be helpful to know why it wasn't of use
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18:26<HolyAvenger>Because I couldn't get it running
18:28<HolyAvenger>Oh ... wait
18:28<HolyAvenger>can it be!?
18:28<HolyAvenger>It's running!?
18:29<HolyAvenger>Ok ... Debian was made by magicians or something, because most of the time my issues get solved in a magic-like manner. =/
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18:32<abusers>if only your wingman could share your success
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18:33<george>he who opens the set controls the set... wingmen either understand that or not get invited to wing :)
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18:34<george>HolyAvenger: they work hard
18:35<Supaplex>HolyAvenger: thanks for the feedback. we're glad you're very satisfied with debian
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18:40<george>HolyAvenger: yeah... all you had to do was become aware of the fact the program was started already :)
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18:47<alexbodn>hi all
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18:54<panagos>are amd64 packages built for smp? if that's an issue
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18:55<george>panagos: I think so yes
18:56<chealer>panagos: they can be run on multi-core machines, yes
18:56<gsimmons_>panagos: Yep, stock AMD64 kernel have CONFIG_SMP enabled.
18:56<panagos>has the compiler done any optimizations that exploit smp?
18:56<panagos>parallelization etc
18:58<sasha>hi does anybody here as good knowledge in libdnet librairy ?
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19:01<ale_ryu>hi, I'm having a little problem here. I'm trying to blacklist agpgart to prevent it from loading, but even though I have added blacklist agpgart to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , it keeps loading.
19:01<ale_ryu>My video card is an Nvidia geforce Go 6100, Pci express, I don't need agp
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19:04<george>sasha: probably you can get good help if you do this and follow its guidelines: /msg dpkg ask
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19:04<greenplastic>hello again
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19:05<mcox>Hello, I can't figure out how to update the device names my system was installed against. I updated to 2.6.23, and changed grub's menu.lst kopt= line and fstab to use fs labels so it will work either way. Anything else I need to change?
19:05<ben_goodger>dpkg abuses NFS quite tidily, but what can be used in its place?
19:05<greenplastic>I am getting this error, after i installed nvidia driver
19:05<greenplastic>'(WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI: 0:10:3) found'
19:05<mcox>Ominously, grub-install (hd0) complains because hda doesn't exist, so I haven't foud them all
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19:05<greenplastic>what can i do??
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19:06<george>make it so that a matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI: 0:10:3) is found
19:06<mcox>greenplastic: do # lspci to see where your Nvidia card is
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19:07<greenplastic>it's on 00:05.0 and i have BusID "PCI:0:5:0" on my xorg.conf
19:08<mcox>strange. Do man xorg.conf
19:08<mcox>THere's a list of files that xserver looks for
19:08<mcox>xorg.conf isn't the first one
19:08<mcox>see if any of those exist
19:09<george>maybe it's finding something else at BusID PCI: 0:10:3
19:09<mcox>It shouldn't be, maybe you have two device sections in your xorg.conf"?
19:10<greenplastic>no, i dont have two devices
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19:10<george>and not two device sections also?
19:10<george>actually it's complaining about a missing device section
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19:11<greenplastic>george, no
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19:12<george>are there any device sections in the config file?
19:12<greenplastic>there's only one section "device"
19:12<lacoste>fuck all
19:12<greenplastic>lacoste, you mean comment section device?
19:13<Jose>alguien programa en java?
19:13<george>not clear what he/she means
19:14<chealer>!tell Jose about es
19:14<greenplastic>Jose there's a debian channel in Spanish, i guess
19:14<mcox>Jose: try #java on this or another IRC network, unless you have questions about the debian java packages
19:15<greenplastic>so what can i do?any ideas?
19:15<mcox>greenplastic: this a generated or a hand-written conf?
19:15<george>first off have you looked at the lspci listing
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19:16<greenplastic>I tried both, but this one generated by nvidia driver
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19:17<lacoste>fuck all
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19:17[~]cdlu thinks lacoste doesn't like us
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19:18<fignew>cdlu: what makes you think that? ;)
19:18<greenplastic><george> before my card recognized as nvidia 6150 go, but now its
19:19<greenplastic> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
19:19<greenplastic>after upgradeing i mean
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19:20<george>so, that thing is at 0:5:0?
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19:21<greenplastic>yes, that's correct
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19:21<george>ok, elsewhere in the listing, is there something at 0:10:3?
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19:22<greenplastic>no, nothing
19:23<george>hmm, are there any files near the config file that refer to 0:10:3?
19:24<greenplastic>10:0 is pci bridge mcp51 and 0:10:1 is sound
19:25<greenplastic>and i have no idea of 00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
19:27<george>that's probably a communication device, an interpreter
19:28<greenplastic>how can i make that interpreter to link to my video card?
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19:29<george>first you have to see why it's even referring to it... it should just work... I think the reason it doesn't has to do with the reference to 10:3 and you have to find where that is
19:29<greenplastic><george> i really want to, but how?
19:30<george>about an hour ago or so someone suggested you look at files that are read by the xorg server other than the config file
19:30<george>what's your progress on that?
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19:33<greenplastic>yes i did man xorg.conf, and someof that files doesnt exist, for example /usr/etc/X11
19:34<mcox>but none of those files exist before /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
19:34<mcox>it reads configuration from those files, in that order
19:34<mcox>so see if there's some old and broken one you don't know about
19:35<greenplastic>no i guess, there' no old,broken ones
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19:36<ben_goodger>I get "connection refused" with NFS. I have absolutely no idea why, I'm not running a firewall or anything, the two machines are on the same network and domain. any ideas?
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19:37<tony>how do i make iceape mail read mbox file?
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19:37<mcox>$ sudo find /etc -exec grep -q hda '{}' \;
19:37<mcox>grep: /etc/nologin: No such file or directory
19:38<mcox>I have no idea where this spurious /dev/hda2 is coming from!
19:38<silvio>i am trying to download the linux headerfiles so i can compile programs. i cannot find libdevel in the package list using dselect. i am using etch.
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19:38<mcox>silvio: are you looking for the C headers (<stdio.h>) or the kernel headers themselves?
19:38<silvio>mcox; stdio etc
19:39<mcox>$ dpkg -S /usr/include/stdio.h
19:39<mcox>libc6-dev: /usr/include/stdio.h
19:39<mcox>you want libc6-dev
19:39<mcox>apt-get install libc6-dev
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19:40<silvio>mcox; i think my apt.sources is using a site that isnt uptodate. apt-get complains of this.
19:40<silvio>mcox; doesnt work for me, so i used another mirror.
19:40<george>silvio: and at some point look into (with google or something) why there's a libc6 and a libc6-dev if they both come from the same sourve
19:41<george>silvio: could you explain "doesn't work"
19:41<greenplastic><george> what about me? what else can i try?
19:42<silvio>george; using apt-get update complains of m5sum mismatches and files not being present.
19:42<silvio>george; can u verify that does/doesnt work for you? is it just me?
19:43<george>greenplastic: try volunteering more information... it's looking like when people ask you questions you're responding with fairly vague answers
19:44<george>silvio: if this issue is to be solved properly, whoever will help needs to see the -exact- error messages... try putting them on
19:44<silvio>george; using another mirror for example or works however
19:45<george>once you hit paste tell someone the resulting page
19:45<george>those are security.d.o mirrors?
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19:45<silvio>george; not 100% sure. someone told me them on this channel last night
19:46<silvio>george; sorry about not pasting. its just in vmware and cut+paste doesnt work..
19:46<george>they might be closer to you, and it might be true that s.d.o isn't working for you or for anyone
19:46<silvio>george; i suspect s.d.o isnt working for anyone, but not 100% sure
19:46<george>silvio: an accurate and exact image of the messages you're getting is probably required to help
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19:47<george>vague doesn't work well and it tends to be a waste of time
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19:47<silvio>Failed to fetch Md5Sum mismatch
19:48<silvio>Failed to fetch Md5Sum mismatch
19:48<silvio>Readiong package lists... Done
19:48<silvio>W: Couldn't state source package list etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
19:49<silvio>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
19:49<greenplastic><mcox>how can i find out if there's any old or broken files, from which configuration read information?
19:49<silvio>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignore, or old ones used instead.
19:49<mcox>the man page lists which files are sourced for configurations
19:49<mcox>if any other ones on that list exist, they'll be read
19:49<magdalene>!seen abrotman
19:49<dpkg>abrotman is currently on #debian (12h 50m 52s), last said: 'if you mount it 'sync' .. it *might* be okay to just tear it out'.
19:49<mcox>so make sure nothing on that list exists, except for your xorg.conf
19:50<greenplastic><mcox>thanks, i'll check it, sorry for asking in unprofessional way
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19:57<greenplastic>after i restart gdm,it says using configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:57<greenplastic>and i got the same error
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19:57<greenplastic>and it says "Module already built in"
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19:59<greenplastic>(WW)Nvidia: No matchng Device section for (BusID PCI:0:10:3)
19:59<greenplastic>and again after that "Module built in"
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20:03<ben_goodger>can anyone suggest a response to "connection refused" from mount, regarding NFS?
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20:06<Supaplex>ben_goodger: syslogs? google?
20:06<gsimmons>ben_goodger: Check /etc/exports, syslog on the NFS server.
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20:07<ben_goodger>/etc/exports is set up as specified *somewhere*
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20:07<kess77>hey, all
20:07<ben_goodger>I can't find anything nfssy in /var/log
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20:08<kess77>anyone got an motherboard that has C-Media audio chipset?
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20:08<mcox>Where else would system configuration be kept but in /etc?
20:08<mcox>I'm talking about the system parameters I entered during installation?
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20:08<mcox>a kernel upgrade turned my hd* -> sd*
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20:09<mcox>and now grub refuses to install
20:09<ben_goodger>mcox: hard disk is now storage device
20:09<Supaplex>refuses why?
20:09<kess77>look in /boot
20:09<mcox>$ sudo grub-install \(hd0\)
20:09<mcox>/dev/hda2: Not found or not a block device.
20:09<ben_goodger>it clears up a lot of confusion with IDE drives being named hd and everything else being named sd, which of course was originally scsi
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20:09<Supaplex>is it in /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab ?
20:10<Supaplex>does /dev/hda* exist?
20:10<mcox>$ find /boot -exec grep -q hda '{}' \;
20:10<mcox>nothing found
20:10<mcox>Supaplex: no, doesn't exist
20:10<Supaplex>uh in /dev
20:10<Supaplex>ls /dev/hda*
20:11<mcox>and I changed grub/menu.lst kopt=root=/dev/disk/by-label/debroot and similarly in /etc/fstab
20:11<mcox>there's nothing there, no hd* in /dev
20:11<mcox>there's also nothing referencing /dev/hda2 in /boot
20:11<ben_goodger>Supaplex: I can't find anything mentioning nfs in /var/log
20:11<mcox>that's the point of the find
20:11<HolyAvenger>I've created a new user: useradd xxxx -p password -d /home/xxxx -s /bin/false
20:11<HolyAvenger>and I'm as root
20:11<HolyAvenger>why can't I see the folder on home? =S
20:12<mcox>ls /dev/hd* | wc -l
20:12<mcox>ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
20:12<mcox>see, nothing there in /dev, and nothing in /etc or /boot referencing "hda"-anything
20:13<mcox>so I'm wondering if there's some trace of the configurations I originally installed with lurking somewhere I can't think of
20:13<Supaplex>maybe /boot/grub/
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20:13<Supaplex>grep suggests otherwise
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20:14<gsimmons>HolyAvenger: Depending on options given to useradd, the user's home directory is (or is not) created. Looks like you forgot to include '-m'.
20:15<HolyAvenger>aww .. god. I forgot the -m
20:15<HolyAvenger>gsimmons: yeah. You were right
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20:18<greenplastic>(WW) NVIDIA(0): Error: Unable to find DOS (Enable/Disable output switching)
20:18<greenplastic>(WW) NVIDIA(0): file path under /proc/acpi/video. NVIDIA X driver will n$
20:18<greenplastic>(WW) NVIDIA(0): be able to respond to display change hotkey events.
20:18<greenplastic>that's what i got now
20:18<ben_goodger>can anyone tell me how to change a system's domain?
20:19<ben_goodger>my server appears to be on a different domain to the client
20:19<ben_goodger>though pinging works
20:19<ben_goodger>..incredibly slowly
20:19<chealer>ben_goodger: which X session type do you use?
20:20<ben_goodger>whichever one is the default
20:20<ben_goodger>I'm talking about NFS
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20:26<kb2jaq>anyone know a way to cause a mouse click to start a script... i'm guessing a simple c prog would work but , ideas?
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20:27<kb2jaq>this would be on an embedded system with no keybd etc... mouse wouldnt be moving around doing other stuff
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20:28<ben_goodger>statutory greeting
20:28<kb2jaq>the project is a linksys nslu2 that would scan a sales order and email it via bluetooth dun, works great when i start it via ssh....
20:29<kb2jaq>but i need some sort of one button input for the sales guy... one button is the limit of our sales guys...
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20:30<blarson>kb2jaq: I've got a perl script that does things based on ps2 mouse buttons.
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20:31<kb2jaq>blarson - that may work, even if it points me in the right direction
20:32<kb2jaq>im guessing udev ? puts a ps2 or a usb mouse in the same place.. /dev/mice
20:33<mcox>/dev/mice is the kernel's ps2 emulation
20:33<blarson>kb2jaq: I open /dev/psaux
20:36[~]magdalene *yawns* and stretches
20:36<kb2jaq>blarson - i should be able to replace that with /dev/input/mouse? and at least start from there...
20:36<magdalene>evening folks
20:37<magdalene>damn this client
20:37<kb2jaq>blarson - would you mind sending me that script?
20:38<magdalene>no last log
20:38<magdalene>blarson, you having problems with your usbmouse?
20:38[~]magdalene wants more scrollback
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20:38<kb2jaq>i'm trying to use my mouse to start a script
20:38<kb2jaq>hello magdalene
20:38<kb2jaq>on a computer with no kbd.. etc
20:38<blarson>magdalene: I don't have a usb mouse on any of my active systems.
20:39<magdalene>i need a terminal based ircclient again, i hate these windowed sysems
20:39<blarson>kb2jaq: I had to reboot the system it was on, just a min.
20:39<magdalene>systems rather
20:39<kb2jaq>no prob, no hurry here
20:40<magdalene>no lastlog no access to real irc commands arg
20:40<chealer>ben_goodger: so, using GNOME?
20:40<magdalene>kb2jaq: sounds like using a hammer to start a tv
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20:41<kb2jaq>mag - actually its on a linksys nslu2 - not a REAL computer... need something to start a script to scan and email via dun
20:41<magdalene>no keyboard
20:42<magdalene>you could always email the script to yourself then copy paste
20:43<kb2jaq>mag - the nslu2 will be in a sales van, sales guy fills out the sales order, puts it into the $40 scanner and pushes a button.. emails to our sales girl..
20:43<ben_goodger>chealer: yes...
20:43<kb2jaq>need a minimum of buttons for our sales guys
20:44<ben_goodger>kb2jaq: surely a nice f-key would be sufficient
20:44<blarson>here it is:
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20:45<ben_goodger>chealer: I am now getting, from rpcinfo -p ben-server: "can't contact portmapper: RPC: remote system error - connection refused"
20:45<george>portmapper not running?
20:46<ben_goodger>/etc/init.d/portmap start works
20:46<blarson>kb2jaq: ^ you should be able to figure it out from the few comments.
20:46<kb2jaq>blarson - thanks ! appreciated
20:47<ben_goodger>Starting portmap daemon...Already running..
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20:50<nd>is portmap only listening on the loopback interface?
20:50<ben_goodger>I don't know why it would be
20:50<ben_goodger>is that the default?
20:51<nd>no, but i think it's a debconf question.
20:51<nd>see /etc/default/portmap
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20:52<ben_goodger>dpkg-reconfigure portmap
20:52<ben_goodger>portmap is most definitely not configured to listen only on loopback
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20:53<ben_goodger>this error still happens
20:53<ben_goodger>the systems do have different domains, but I haven't found out how to change them
20:53<ben_goodger>oh, and the server is on etch, the client on lenny
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20:54<zombi>Hey :)
20:54<zombi>I have an atheros based wifi nic and would like to do a netinstall - is this possible?
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20:56<ben_goodger>hmm, apparently debian is "important and unique" but does not "belong at the same table as" ubuntu because nobody is making money off it. well, we can always rely on for truthiness
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20:56<cLINTo>"truthiness" nice
20:57<nd>zombi: I don't think so. The atheros driver isn't part of the kernel.
20:57<zombi>Um, are you actually ben goodger?
20:58<ben_goodger>yes, I am
20:58<ben_goodger>not the one you're thinking of
20:58<zombi>Oh, hehe :)
20:58<nd>! tell zombi about madwifi
20:59<ben_goodger>zombi: you should probably just use ethernet for netinsting
20:59<zombi>Yes, I've already read about madwifi :) I've also read how to install AFTER installing using a wired nic.
20:59<george>ben_goodger: actually ubuntu is arguably making money off of the work done on debian, given they take debian's unstable and try to stablize it
20:59<ben_goodger>it removes one of the many layers of complexity
20:59<ben_goodger>george: I know, and am very annoyed with it
20:59<zombi>A wired connection is not really available to me :|
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21:00<george>maybe you don't need to be, -if- ubuntu is contributing in the form of bug reports
21:01<george>but failing that, it would be pretty awful
21:01<ben_goodger>they don't really seem to be doing anything
21:01<ben_goodger>stuff gets copied from sid, some stuff happens, and a distro is released
21:01<zombi>So there is no way to load the required modules during install?
21:02<george>there are a few debian developers on ubuntu staff iirc
21:02<ben_goodger>zombi: well, you could make your own installer image
21:02<george>there probably is a way
21:02<ben_goodger>but that would almost certainly require another copy of linux
21:02<zombi>Which I also don't have :|
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21:03<george>one thing you could do is get a copy of a more complete debian cd which has the kernel source and compilers
21:03<ben_goodger>ooh, apparently lenny should be out in sep
21:03<george>then you could install debian and then build a custom kernel
21:04<george>should is only close enough in horseshoes :)
21:04<george>mixed metaphor, sorry :)
21:05<ben_goodger>you're forgiven
21:05<george>anyway maybe cd 1 has all the packages you need
21:06<george>the basic idea being that if the cd has what you need you don't need to establish networking until after you build, install and reboot into a custom kernel which has support for your net card
21:07<ben_goodger>...or it might just contain said kernel anyway
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21:09<george>the jist is that if you're willing to get your hands dirty, you could get this done
21:10<george>otoh if you could find out what the chipset is exactly, you can then find out what kernel supports it and install or build if you have to
21:10<niyado>hola, un area para espanol??
21:11<george> /msg dpkg es
21:11<nd>madwifi-source is in non-free anyway
21:11<niyado>hey, debian is now part of ubuntu?
21:11<niyado>i need the channel of ubuntu-es
21:12<george>no idea for that
21:12<george>every six months ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian unstable and works on it for 6 months and then releases it
21:13<amphi>niyado: try on freenode
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21:14<randompersona>niyado.. type /join #debian-es
21:14<george>he doesn't want debian :)
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21:14<Supaplex>poor sap
21:14<george>it's his choice tho
21:14<Supaplex>no worries
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21:20<niyado>hey, i want to know how to put the cube for compiz fusion in ubuntu 7.10
21:21<Supaplex>!tell niyado -about based on debian
21:21<amphi>niyado: #ubunti
21:21<amphi>er, #ubuntu
21:22<amphi>I suppose ubuntu users could be 'ubunti'...
21:22<george>or ubuntites...
21:22<niyado>ohh ok
21:22<george>so that would make one a ubuntum
21:23<george>it's ok I'm not teasing you
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21:24<amphi>george: if 'ubunti' were the plural, the singular would be 'ubuntus' - the plural would need to be 'ubuntu' for your singular form, AFAIK
21:25<yago_potato>im having a driver issue ne 1 help?
21:25<amphi>er, 'ubunta'
21:25<george>yago_potato: ask a (informative) question, /msg dpkg ask
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21:37<ameyer>Irssi actually (IIRC) tries to join #0 when you do that, which is harmless
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21:39<DanDare>hello there, I just installed etch for testing on a secondary drive. If i change anything using grub or lilo i can back to the instalation grub setting by just doing grub-install? considering that the instalation automaticaly created an /boot/grub/menu.lst file?
21:39<DanDare>i mean, menu.lst was created in the etch installation
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21:40<cLINTo>if you change your grub settings?
21:41<george>well that file is the config file... if you change that you change your boot... so, one way is to back up that file...
21:41<DanDare>yeah, I want to make some tests using grub but afraid to cant return to the default status
21:41<cLINTo>yeah, what he said
21:41<DanDare>im new to grub, im more acostumated with lilo
21:41<george>but if you need to reinstall grub entirely you can do that
21:41<george>oh shoot, I need a costume
21:41<cLINTo>before you edit it, you should back it up
21:41<DanDare>you mean menu.lst ?
21:42<DanDare>menu.lst is the only file taken by grub-install?
21:42<george>lilo you need to reinstall lilo when you change the config
21:42<cLINTo>just, cp menu.lst menu_backup
21:42<george>grub you don't
21:42<george>reason: grub tries to find menu.lst by -name-
21:42<DanDare>im trying grub man pages but its so confusing at this time
21:42<george>it also finds kernels by -name-
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21:43<george>one thing to try
21:43<cLINTo>I'm not sure what you're asking
21:43<george>is boot and get into grub shell
21:43<george>and try to boot manually
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21:43<george>it's one of the legacy grub's best features... and they're going to take that away in version 2
21:44<cLINTo>really? hmm
21:44<nd>You don't need to run grub-install if you change menu.lst
21:44<DanDare>one question of mine is: How to tell grub where´s my /boot partition? cause its on diferent disk than root filesystem
21:44<george>cLINTo: do you understand how lilo works?
21:44<DanDare>nd, how to do so? what to do?
21:44<cLINTo>george: no, I've never used it
21:45<cLINTo>I'm still a newb
21:45<george>oh, I tought you said you were used to lilo
21:45<nd>Just change menu.lst. You can even do it at the grub prompt
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21:45<DanDare>nd, if i change menu.lst grub will take the changes on next bootup?
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21:46<nd>DanDare: correct
21:46<cLINTo>dandare: you just point grub to the boot partition, boot finds root
21:46<cLINTo>i think
21:46<DanDare>sounds nice
21:46<george>cLINTo: oh sorry, wrong nick
21:46<cLINTo>oh, heh
21:46<DanDare>well, this is better than lilo
21:46<george>in a lot of ways yet
21:46<cLINTo>yes dandare, it will take effect next boot
21:47<cLINTo>are you adding an os to the list?
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21:47<george>DanDare: do you have /boot/grub/
21:47<george>look at that
21:48<DanDare>im doing
21:48<george>grub name is hd0, hd1, fd0, etc
21:48<DanDare>its like shortcuts that grub uses?
21:48<george>notice how it maps to your devices
21:48<DanDare>ok thanks
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21:48<nd>/dev/hda1 becomes (hd0,0) then
21:49<george>so if that's true then hd0 is mapped to /dev/hda
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21:49<george>the ,0 is the partition
21:50<george>notice it's one less
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21:50<cLINTo>nubers start at 0
21:50<cLINTo>letters start at a
21:50<DanDare>i have sarge on hda2 (that contains everything including /boot), have etch root on hdc2, have etch /boot on hda1.
21:50[~]george starts at getting a pizza!
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21:52<cLINTo>I'm pretty sure you point the root line towards your /boot partition, but I may be wrong
21:52<DanDare>i see "root (hd0,1)" at menu.lst
21:52<DanDare>this is the place for /boot not root o.O
21:52<DanDare>* /boot for etch
21:53<cLINTo>have you tried booting it that way yet?
21:53<DanDare>wait, so many lines i may be reading it wrong
21:53<george>DanDare: right, it needs either the / partition IF there is not a separate /boot... or the /boot partition
21:53<george>think about it
21:53<DanDare>im just using the configuration installed by etch initial intallation
21:53<cLINTo>so, it's presently pointing to the /
21:53<george> /boot is where the kernels are
21:54<DanDare>i know
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21:54<cLINTo>so, you need to change it from (hd0,1) to (hd0,0)
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21:55<cLINTo>etch's boot partition
21:55<DanDare>i think i understand
21:55<george>but is that the /boot?
21:55<george>on -your- system?
21:56<cLINTo>he said /boot was on hda1
21:56<george>he did? oh ok :)
21:56<DanDare>in the menu.lst where we have "root (hdx,x)" it must point to the /boot partition ?
21:56<george>or / if there is no /boot
21:56<DanDare>ahh nice
21:57<george>if it points to /boot then the paths in the menu.lst have to not have the /boot at the beginning
21:57<DanDare>yeah i see this on menu.lst
21:57<george>(because as far as grub is concerned that /boot partition IS the root partition)
21:58<george>see what I mean
21:58<cLINTo>yeah, normally, /boot would be under /
21:58<DanDare>now i can check because the actual config wont boot the previous installed debian (sarge) "kernel panic"
21:58<cLINTo>does debian use uuid numbers?
21:58<george>I think it can
21:59<george>but I don't know how that works exactly (as far as the debian side)
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21:59<DanDare>i cant see the reason the actual config wont boot sarge, its all under the logic
21:59<cLINTo>I just had the same thing with Ubuntu and Suse
21:59<dli_>DanDare, what's the error before panic
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22:00<cLINTo>does it list it at least?
22:00<george>well if you get kernel panic then the kernel did in fact boot
22:00<DanDare>im rebooting now to remember what was
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22:00<george>so grub is working
22:00<nd>DanDare: Do you have root=/dev/hda2 in your kernel line?
22:00<DanDare>i dont know
22:01<nd>in menu.lst
22:01<george>look at menu.lst :)
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22:01<george>and know :)
22:01<DanDare>ok, i got to check later its rebooting
22:01<cLINTo>with ubuntu, if you make a change to another partition, the uuid number changes, so you have to correct it in menu.lst
22:01<DanDare>:p thank you
22:01<cLINTo>I'm not sure if it's the same with Debian
22:01<george>what kind of change would cause the uuid to change?
22:02<cLINTo>if you make a change to any other partition that the os mounts
22:02<george>doesn't the uuid refer to the whole drive?
22:02<cLINTo>so let's say I have Ubuntu mounted in Suse and I delete the Ubuntu partition, that uuid number changes
22:03<cLINTo>if there's nothing on that partition, then it can't mount to it
22:03<dli_>cLINTo, uuid is supported by fs
22:03<george>or is that the uid?
22:03<george>uuid is brought to you by the letter f and the letter f and the letter f!
22:04<cLINTo>file system?
22:04<george>or more than one f?
22:04<DanDare>this is the kernel panic message:
22:04<DanDare>i can boot the sarge using a rescue floppy
22:04<cLINTo>yesh, if the filesystem changes, the uuid changes
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22:05<DanDare>and menu.lst looks ok about my sarge intallation location
22:05<george>DanDare: ok so it can't find your / right now
22:06<dli_>DanDare, reinstall your kernel
22:06<cLINTo>I'd be easier if we could see his menu.lst
22:07<dli_>cLINTo, you can look at uuid in /dev/disk/by-uuid
22:07<cLINTo>or blkid
22:09<DanDare>im testing all of this cause that in near future i will copy /boot and / etch
22:09<DanDare>*etch /boot and / to the same HD. So if i change menu.lst and fstab it will be all ok?
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22:09<dli_>DanDare, you have to reinstall kernel, rather than just cp /boot
22:10<DanDare>so im stucked :/
22:10<DanDare>where i need to start in learning how to reinstall kernel this way?
22:10<cLINTo>you sure his kernel line isn't just wrong
22:10<nd>DanDare: Could you paste your menu.lst?
22:10<cLINTo>it may be saying /boot/yadayada
22:10<dli_>DanDare, this happens because your initrd contains some info about your system. if you use custom kernel without initrd, you can simply copy
22:11<cLINTo>it probably needs to be changed to /yadayada
22:11<DanDare>what is the most practical way to do that (copy averything to the same hd and make it work?). Its reinstalling kernel?
22:12<dli_>DanDare, copy the system, and reinstall kernel
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22:13<DanDare>where i must start to learn how to reinstall kernel? i never did!!
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22:14<cLINTo>yeah, I don't know how to do that neither
22:14<dli_>DanDare, boot any livecd, mount partition /, chroot to it, mount /boot, apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6
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22:14<DanDare>well, it sucks when just to paste a simple menu.lst file is becoming a problem
22:15<cLINTo>it's probably too long
22:15<DanDare>ok dli_ thank you
22:15<dli_>DanDare, after that, you have to verify /etc/fstab, /boot/grub/menu.lst
22:16<abusers>had many funny things happen around netinst and grub/lilo :)
22:16<cLINTo>oh, I'm sorry dli_, I meant I had to change the uuid in fstab
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22:18<DanDare>this is weird now, im must trying to mount floppy to copy menu.lst its saying "mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist". But i did not change nothing after installing the system it is meant to work imo
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22:19<abusers>are you trying to mount floppy whil in chroot?
22:19<DanDare>im logged as root
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22:20<Wofl>hey guys
22:20<abusers>hello wofl
22:20<Wofl>i got some issues with openbox
22:21<Wofl>the grafics are messed up
22:21<Wofl>fluxbox and xfce work fine
22:21<Wofl>any idea why?
22:22<Wofl>its stable, so i cant see how there can be an issue
22:22<Wofl>all i did was install from the xfce cd, install ndiswrapper, get internet going, update and the install openbox
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22:31<DanDare>im trying "apt-get apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6" it says couldnt find package linux-image. How to find the correct package name?
22:32<dli_>DanDare, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
22:33<DanDare>ok dli thanks again
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22:33<abusers>linux-image-2.6 is meta package if i'm not wrong
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22:34<DanDare>well, im having a problem at sources.list must update
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22:37<george>DanDare: or if you have lots of ram you could play with xen...
22:37<DanDare>i have 46Mb on the working box :(
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22:37<george>hmm, not nearly enough
22:37<DanDare>its a pentium 1
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22:37<george>woah :)
22:38<george>686 might not work
22:39<DanDare>this 166Mhz served me just fine during 1 year yet servig web, samba, mysql and PHP for not heavy applications and it consumes little energy!! just fits the needs
22:39<DanDare>but its a pain when need setups :)
22:39<george>oh sorry, I didn't mean it wouldn't fit your needs
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22:40<DanDare>i know this pal
22:40<george>just that you can't play with xen yet :)
22:40<DanDare>just saying to everybody why linux is great
22:40<DanDare>among other things...
22:40<DanDare>its ok
22:41<george>right, it lets you use the old boxes
22:41<DanDare>not just use
22:41<DanDare>but use it with the most recent distros
22:42<george>yeah, that is cool
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22:42<DanDare>let´s think now aout windows... "linux helps the environment and its against the programmed obsolescence" :p
22:43<george>windows almost requires dualcore and gig of ram these days
22:43<DanDare>its right. all about consumism imo
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22:44<DanDare>not that dualcores arent nice
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22:44<george>whereas if you have that kind of box under linux you can run like a hundred vservers on it :)
22:44<patricknev>zhanx: ah that worked!
22:44<patricknev>except now i have a black bard with colored speckles on the bottom of the screen
22:44<patricknev>but the resolution is much more useable
22:45<george>black bard! arrr matey!
22:46<DanDare>linux remembers me the times of the old computers like z-80 based ones. Its just very interesting when you need to exercise your brain to put things to work
22:46<DanDare>in a sense using computing as hobby at least
22:46<george>way wayyy too many people don't like that tho
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22:47<DanDare>yeah, they reserve the right to not like
22:47<george>you have to hit em with a hammer and shoot a flamethrower at them just to get them to give you just enough info to help them
22:47<george>oh, and pull their teeth too
22:48<DanDare>sounds like my father
22:48<DanDare>"cmon help me!!"
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22:48<cLINTo>yeah, people don't understand what they need to do for people to help them
22:49<george>ohh man, there was this guy yesterday, cheeseboy who kept asking us to write a script for him... said he wasn't interested in learning, and then se
22:49<DanDare>its not a computing problem tought
22:49<cLINTo>the is almost useless
22:49<george>said if we didn't write it for him he'd annoy us :)
22:49<patricknev>does anyone have a problem with their laptop showing a black bar with color speckle dots?
22:49<cLINTo>lol george
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22:50<george>which he did, but not strongly
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22:50<adelec>hello guys
22:50<DanDare>patricknev, defective lcd maybe?
22:50<cLINTo>i don't use a laptop particknev
22:50<cLINTo>does it always show that?
22:50<oigres>How can I record the mic-input into an ogg file?
22:50<cLINTo>save as
22:50<DanDare>or defective gpu maybe
22:51<patricknev>noo it works in windows, i can get it to work under different resolutions now DanDare but this resolution (which looks great) has a bar at the bottom
22:51<george>oigres: consider ardour
22:51<DanDare>it happens in AGP slots if the vid-card isnt properly attached to the mainboard e.g.
22:51<cLINTo>a little dirt can cause that
22:51<cLINTo>but, if it works in windows
22:52<oigres>george: any other quick options? I was using sox, but the testing/sid version is not working...
22:52<george>but ardour requires jack audio connection kit, which is sometimes hard to start
22:52<DanDare>patricknev, but it works on windows with the resolutiom that youre talking about?
22:52<patricknev>yes dandare that is correct
22:52<cLINTo>yeah, gpu
22:53<george>patricknev: and the display is fine?
22:53<DanDare>with defective gpu thing can looks right or not depending of the gpu instructions that are currently being used
22:53<cLINTo>it doesn't do that under a different resolution?
22:54<DanDare>but speckle dots dont sounds a very good behaviour to me
22:54<patricknev>yes, it looks fine with the resolution in windows, and works fine (no bar) and in ubuntu, with different resolutions, there is no bar, but the resolution is poor
22:54<george>we seem to have ruled out hardware failure tho
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22:55<DanDare>who knows
22:55<george>patricknev: driver issue?
22:55<patricknev>maybe im not sure, how would i check that?
22:56<george>go to ubuntu, fire it up and do lsmod > ~/lsmod.listing.txt
22:57<george>then compare that to the loaded modules when you run deb
22:57<george>most likely if it's a device it's about the kernel
22:58<george>(of course... that is a generalization...)
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22:59<george>but I'm not sure that the lsmod listing (which lists the modules inserted into the kernel) will have to do with the display)
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23:01<patricknev>compare the ls.mod.listing.txt to what?
23:01<george>to the output of lsmod when you run debian
23:02<george>maybe the difference will show the problem... but that's a weak unsubstantiated guess
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23:02<patricknev>i dont have debian distro installed, jsut gusty and windows xp
23:02<george>oh well, dunno how you can compare then
23:03<patricknev>haha alright thanks though man
23:03<george>this is x window system problem, right?
23:04<stan_ley>Q: Can I get only one instance of process from lsof ? i.e. [ lsof -i | grep -m 1 $]
23:04<patricknev>i'd imagine it has to do with x
23:04<george>what happens when you're not running x and just run console
23:04<patricknev>how do i edit the xorg.conf file to fit the resolution?
23:04<patricknev>console, i have full screen and it looks fine
23:05<george>so it's about x
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23:05<george>maybe the resolution isn;t tuned properly
23:07<george>maybe if you use the x config file from gutsy under debian it would be ok
23:07<george>that would be a little adventurous tho
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23:08<george>if you don't mind a trip to LetsTinkerMyLinuxVille....
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23:10<stan_ley>^ bump ^
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23:18<george>you could always give it a try and if it fails read the log to see why
23:19<george>hmm, I failed to not make that rhyme
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23:21<george>argh. yet again I missed the fact the person left
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23:34<user01>flash disk stopped automounting . . . weird
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23:43<greenplastic>hello, i'm still getting this error when i'm trying to start my X with nvidia driver
23:43<greenplastic>(WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
23:43<greenplastic>what can i do, please help me
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23:48<george>greenplastic: gotta find out where that's coming from
23:48<george>I dunno how.
23:49<greenplastic><george>anyway, thank you very much for replying
23:49<george>what I do know is that's the next step (unless you don't mind command line for awhile :)
23:49<greenplastic>i spent like day for this and still no results
23:50<george>sometimes it's like that
23:50<george>it's like that for me right now
23:50<greenplastic>that's actually what I'm doing, command line is cool
23:51<george>if you get into it you'll find most of the power of linux
23:51<black_13>how do i add a bootsplash
23:51<george>step in a puddle!
23:51<george>I dunno :)
23:51<gsimmons>!tell black_13 -about bootsplash
23:52<black_13>actually found a pretty decent guide
23:52<black_13>but i just am having trouble locating the diffs
23:54<black_13>gsimmons, thanks for info i had not seen this page before
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