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---Logopened Sun Oct 21 00:00:01 2007
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00:08<kess77>anyone have and audio device that uses the C-Media chipset?
00:09<kess77>would like to find out if Debian supports drivers for this]
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00:14<gsimmons>kess77: It's dependent on your chipset, see <>. Support for CMI8787 and CMI8788 is still in progress.
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00:19<greenplastic>i posted my problem here, so if anyone is interested
00:19<greenplastic>please reply
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00:59[~]ToLgA offfffffffff!
00:59[~]ToLgA of of of of
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01:03<ToLgA>Ganneff hav ar yu adamým
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01:08<cLINTo>why the hell does Ubuntu mount my hard drive as sda, sdb instead of hda, hdb
01:08<cLINTo>it's not fricking scuzzy
01:08<ameyer>umm... does this look like #ubuntu?
01:09<ameyer>and it has to do with the new libata driver interface
01:09<ameyer>and broke all sorts of stuff when they switched
01:10<ameyer>not counting the Feisty RC fiasco
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01:16<cLINTo>I apologize, but #ubuntu is frickin crazy busy, not an important question, was wondering if it was a Debian thing
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01:22<ToLgA> there turkish canal ?
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01:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
01:25<Supaplex>ToLgA: ^^^^
01:25<ToLgA>thenx Supaplex
01:25<ameyer>!typosmite me
01:25[~]dpkg makes ameyer raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
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01:29<Supaplex>cLINTo: maybe crazy on freenode, but #ubuntu on freshmeat is totally dead.
01:30<cLINTo>oh yeah, I was talking about on the Ubuntu server
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01:31<cLINTo>you have to repeat yourself a dozen times before anyone even sees you
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01:42<mohkohn>hello. Got Etch installed with gnome and sound working automagically. Now I need to get my wireless going
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01:45<mohkohn>My chip shows up in Vista as * Atheros AR5007UG
01:46<mohkohn>but it does not appear at all when I lspci -v
01:46<dpkg>i guess madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
01:47<kess77>anybody have a C-Media audio chipset?
01:47<mohkohn> /msg dpkg madwifi-install
01:47<kess77>trying to find out if it's a debian supported audio device
01:49<mohkohn>I cannot cut and paste in gnome terminal. How to fix?
01:50<mohkohn>And I would like to ask dpkg about madwifi-install
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01:53<Supaplex>!tell mohkohn -about madwifi-install
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01:59<cLINTo><cLINTo> does anyone know if it's possible to use the same /home for multiple distros?
01:59<cLINTo><cLINTo> I was thinking it may cause conflicts considering some configuration files are located there, but what if I used a different username for the different distros?
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02:00<mohkohn>Supaplex, it seems to be automagically doing something so I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks
02:00<gsimmons>kess77: I've previously answered your question.
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02:04<smr>anyone having problems with mount package in lenny?
02:04<mohkohn>The madwifi-install did not work. No ath0 :(
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02:07<blarson>cLINTo: Debian puts all its config in /etc, like any sane distro.
02:07<gsimmons>mohkohn: Did you add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list, prior to the madwifi install?
02:07<cLINTo>didn't know that
02:07<cLINTo>I had it installed before, but didn't mess with it much
02:07<mohkohn>yes gsimmons it all ran auto-magically but at the end of it no ath0
02:08<blarson>cLINTo: However some apps have per-user data stored in /home, and if you run different versions of the app you can run into problems.
02:08<cLINTo>yeah, i think I'm going to just stick with making different user names for different distros
02:08<blarson>cLINTo: Things like firefox.
02:08<mohkohn>It bothers me that the Atheros chip does not show up in lspci -v
02:09<cLINTo>clinto-ubuntu, clinto-suse, clinto-debian, etc
02:10<mohkohn>And I still can't find a way to cut and paste from the gnome terminal. There is no Select all
02:12<gsimmons>mohkohn: Is your AR5007UG a USB device?
02:12<Supaplex>mohkohn: is it usb? cardbus? minipci? maybe your bios has power save features that has disabled it. eg, certian dells have multiple levels/stages of power saving. sometimes it's only on for boot, or while connected to the wall, etc
02:12<mohkohn>gsimmons, yes usb
02:12<Supaplex>then use lsusb
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02:13<grummund>afaik madwifi does not support usb...
02:15<mohkohn>I did check. My wifi card works with <FN> <F1> The light is on but still no goo
02:16<mohkohn>ndiswrapper an alternative?
02:16<mohkohn>And can I use Vista drivers?
02:16<gsimmons>mohkohn: You've a ZD1211 chipset. It was rebranded by Atheros as the AR5007UG after they acquired it.
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02:16<mohkohn>gsimmons, Why can't I see it in lspci -v?
02:17<grummund> - "USB dongles are not supported, and will probably not be supported in the near future."
02:17<gsimmons>mohkohn: Because it's not PCI, as you mentioned earlier.
02:17<Supaplex>usb devices don't show up on pci bus
02:17<gsimmons>!tell mohkohn -about zydas
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02:17<Supaplex>lspci (8) - list all PCI devices
02:17<Supaplex>lsusb (8) - list USB devices
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02:18<mohkohn>Oops that was my senile senior citizen moment! usb!
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02:19<mohkohn>so apt-get install zd1211-source?
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02:19<gsimmons>mohkohn: That's not required.
02:19<dpkg>hmm... zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package).
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02:22<mohkohn>I still have nothing. apt-get install zd211-firmware && modprobe zd1211
02:22<mohkohn>no errors
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02:23<mohkohn>but when I try iwlist scan nothing
02:23<mohkohn>Do I need to reboot?
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02:24<gsimmons>mohkohn: It shouldn't be necessary. Do you have a wireless device available to you now, however?
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02:24<mohkohn>I also tried ifup ath0 and ifup eth1 and ifup wlan0
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02:24<gsimmons>mohkohn: Forget about ath0.
02:25<mohkohn>gsimmons, what is s?
02:25<grummund>mohkohn: iwconfig
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02:25<mohkohn>no wireless extensions
02:26<black_13>how do determine what package will install a command
02:27<mohkohn>looked in lsmod I can see the zd1211rw
02:27<dpkg>from memory, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
02:27<grummund>black_13: ^^
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02:28<gsimmons>mohkohn: Dang. You may very well have a AR5007UG device which has a UW2453 radio. As mentioned on the link above, these aren't supported unless you're using a 2.6.23 kernel.
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02:29<mohkohn>gsimmons, that may be it. so I need to install that kernel
02:29<mohkohn>Is it in etch?
02:30<grummund>etch has 2.6.18
02:30<gsimmons>mohkohn: It's looking that likely. No, Etch doesn't contain this kernel, although it may be available as a backported package.
02:31<black_13>grummund, am trying to find out what package install the command "splash"
02:31<mohkohn>Looks like the 2.6.23 is not there. What is best? Get from Backports?
02:31<gsimmons>mohkohn: If you could install the 'hwinfo' package and pastebin the contents of '/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan' somewhere, that would be appreciated.
02:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
02:32<mohkohn>gsimmons, that is another issue. I can't seem to cut and paste from gnome-terminal...although I can paste into it.
02:34<mohkohn>gsimmons, I did. I get nothing at all
02:35<gsimmons>mohkohn: Okay, just the contents of 'lsusb -v' then.
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02:35<cLINTo>thanks blarson, I'll be getting Debain soon, I'm going to install openSUSE now :D
02:35<gsimmons>mohkohn: I'm sorry, and sid only have 2.6.22 kernel packages available at this time. But you can make your own using 'kernel-package'.
02:36<grummund>black_13: if apt-file is no use, see, click on Debian Packages and use the search facility
02:36<black_13>i should have done that
02:36<mohkohn>Bus 004 Device 002: ID Oace:1215 ZyDAS
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02:38<blarson>mohkohn: I think 2.6.23 may be in experimental.
02:38<black_13>grummund, thanks
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02:38<black_13>grummund, curios where are you at?
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02:39<grummund>black_13: uk, why?
02:39<black_13>meer curiousity
02:39<grummund>black_13: and you?
02:40<grummund>okey ;)
02:41<black_13>if you meet and an american you ask them where are the from ... the will say us or or america but if they are from texas they will say texas
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02:43<grummund>black_13: to a uk'ian, if they meet an american it's pretty obvious where are the from ... no need to ask that. ;)
02:43<mohkohn>gsimmons or blarson would it be feasible to use experimental sources then block as soon as the kernel and headers are downloaded?
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02:44<black_13>well back to man i am trying to get a bootsplash
02:45<mohkohn>Or is there a soldierproof guide to building my own 2.6.23 kernel
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02:54<kess77>does a scot say he's from the uk?
02:55<Eulex>kess77, relatedness to debian? :)
02:55<mohkohn>How do I build a 2.6.23 kernel for etch?
02:56<Eulex>mohkohn, /msg dpkg kp
02:56<mohkohn>thanks Eulex
02:57<grummund>kess77: usually not ime.
02:57<grummund>kess77: there is #debian-uk if you like ;)
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02:58<kess77>I'd be more interested in a #debian/hardware right now
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02:58<kess77>I'm looking into buying a new motherboard
02:59<mohkohn>Would opening up experimental sources apt-get install kernel2.6.23 and the kernel headers then blocking them work to install kernel 2.6.23?
02:59<kess77>the one I'm interested in has a C-Media audio chipset
02:59<kess77>and I've been asking around if any else has this chipset
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03:00<kess77>that I might sound out if it's supported by debian
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03:00<kess77>haven't found an answer
03:00<Eulex>mohkohn, no, because 2.6.23 is not anywhere in debian.
03:00<kess77>yes it is
03:01<Eulex>mohkohn, do you really need 2.6.23 or would 2.6.22 do?
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03:01<kess77> is an offered kernel
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03:01<Eulex>kess77, hmm, my apt-cache search-fu might have deceived me then
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03:01<kess77>put up 10-7-07
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03:02<mohkohn>can't argue with that Eulex . Apparently I "may very well have a AR5007UG device which has a UW2453 radio. As mentioned on the link above, these aren't supported unless you're using a 2.6.23 kernel"
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03:02<Eulex>kess77, right, it's at, but that wasn't the problem. the problem was whether it was in _debian_ or not.
03:03<mohkohn>so building looks like the go. First time for everything
03:03<Eulex>mohkohn, oh
03:03<mohkohn>just waiting for acroread to install then I will get started.
03:04<Eulex>mohkohn, a few tips then: base your config on an official debian 2.6.22 kernel config.
03:04<Eulex>mohkohn, modify it to have the drivers for your fs and ide/sata drivers built statically (that wat you won't need to mess with an initrd)
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03:04<mohkohn>I can't use my .oldconfig?
03:05<Eulex>mohkohn, you shouldn't, if it's from a substantially older kernel.
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03:05<mohkohn>This is a fresh install so I can take a few risks.
03:05<Eulex>that's not the problem.
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03:06<Eulex>if you for example base it on a 2.6.18 kernel config, you'll have a few hundred questions to answer when you run make oldconfig
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03:07<Eulex>(make oldconfig is the way you use a kernel config from an older kernel with a newer kernel; it will ask you about everything that was added between the kernel version and update the .config)
03:07<kess77>Eulux: is not an official debian body?
03:08<Supaplex>new screws for wireless ap. check.
03:08<Eulex>kess77, no, and never was.
03:08<mohkohn> I mean?
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03:09<kess77>(just getting started playing with kernels, got a lot to learn)
03:09<gsimmons>kess77: There's at least eight audio chipsets produced by C-Media. You'll need to be more specific.
03:09<Eulex>mohkohn, yeah
03:09<mohkohn>ok. The other question is where do I get a .config for a 2.6.22?
03:10<Supaplex>mohkohn: debian packaged kernels keep them in /boot/
03:10<Eulex>mohkohn, you install a 2.6.22 kernel from debian, and you find it in /boot.
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03:11<mohkohn>And I can get that from soon as acroread finishes 2 min 20 seconds
03:11<mohkohn>I am on slow internet in Cambodia
03:12<grummund>mohkohn: may i suggest you apt-get install kernel-package, and then look at the docs in /use/share/doc/kernel-package ?
03:12<Supaplex>mohkohn: I was thinking back to the last time I had home cooked cambodian food. ohhh man yummy.
03:12<mohkohn>grummund, will do
03:13<mohkohn>Supaplex, I recommend getting a Khmer wife. Works well for me! :)
03:13<Supaplex>haha cool.
03:13<fxiny>yeahhh tell him !
03:14<grummund>mohkohn: if you take that route, you will also need build-essential & fakeroot packages
03:14<Supaplex>and some chocolate milk to pass the time ;)
03:14<Supaplex>or whatever $beverage you choose
03:15<mohkohn>ok grummund
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03:17<kess77>gsimmons: thank you very much: when I go back to the site I saw the motherboard at, all it says is "superior quality"
03:17<kess77>I dig deeper and no idea as to the "actual" chipset
03:17<kess77>not good
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03:18<kess77>then I read the reviews: sound is mentioned as "not good" and C-Media as not helpful
03:18<kess77>I think I need to look around somemore as to a motherboard I might want to spend money on
03:19[~]fxiny sends a bamboo stick to SupaKhmex
03:19<Eulex>kess77, lspci will be helpful in finding out the actual chipset. the will help you find out whether it's supported or not.
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03:20<gsimmons>kess77: The ALSA soundcard matrix lists support for most C-Media chipsets, with the exception of CMI8787 and CMI8788. Anything else should be supported by snd-cmipci.
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03:20<kess77>Eulex: lspci is a cli command isn't it? I don't have the motherboard to run that on
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03:21<kess77>(or do I mis-understand?)
03:21<Eulex>kess77, oh
03:21<Eulex>kess77, yeah, you need linux running to run that command.
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03:22<kess77>p.s. please continue on " in not debian": I'd like to learn more
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03:23<Eulex>kess77, debian takes its kernel from, applies debian-specific patches to it, then builds it for a multitude of arches and configs.
03:23<kess77>now I understand
03:23<Supaplex>and by no means are you *required* to use the one debian offers.
03:23<Eulex>and well, this hasn't happened with 2.6.23 yet.
03:24<Supaplex>however, it's generally suggested if you're attempting to troubleshoot something (it keeps the possibilities within a smaller subset we're all better aquainted with)
03:25<mohkohn>To paraphrase Neal Stephenson: "I came out of [my last relationship] dead broke, without a house, without anything except a [Khmer] girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX
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03:25<mohkohn>That was for Supaplex
03:25<kess77>because the linux project is NOT the same as the Debian project
03:26<kess77>and the kernel comes from the linux project
03:26<kess77>plain logic I overlooked
03:26<Eulex>debian puts it together with a heap of software, forming a linux distribution out of it.
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03:27<kess77>thank you for pointing that out to me
03:27<Eulex>and provides an installer for debian and such.
03:27<mohkohn>would the linux-image-2.6.22-686 be good for me?
03:28<mohkohn>plus the headers?
03:28<Eulex>mohkohn, if you just want the .config... you just need the image.
03:28<mohkohn>ok thanks
03:28<Eulex>(the headers are for building stuff against that kernel, though)
03:29<kess77>that also explains why the latest Debian install disl has kernel 2.6.18.x and offers 2.6.23.x
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03:30<Eulex>kess77, 2.6.18 was the stable one when etch was released.
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03:30<Eulex>(stable as in well-tested, not only released at
03:31<kess77>and I should stay stable
03:31<kess77>I don't have a need to go "cutting-edge"
03:31<Eulex>if you have no special reasons, you should stay on stable, yes.
03:32<mohkohn>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 and then I can use .config for oldconfig
03:32<Eulex>mohkohn, correct.
03:32<mohkohn>Thanks Eulex
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03:33<Eulex>kess77, for a desktop system, testing might be beneficial, though. but make yourself familiar with debian first, especially the package management (and then I mean dpkg and apt-get, not some graphical tool light synaptic).
03:33<mohkohn>Should I tar -xvf my 2.6.23 kernel anywhere special?
03:35<Eulex>mohkohn, /usr/src/, then link the resulting directory to /usr/src/linux
03:35<mohkohn>Eulex, thought so but wasn't sure
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03:38<Supaplex>what a quitter.
03:38<kess77>started by playing with "LiveCD"s, learned enough to figure out Debian is the way to go.
03:40<Supaplex>yea, it rawkz
03:41<onepamopa>yep, debian rulz
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03:42<fxiny>dpkg rulez
03:42<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
03:43<mohkohn>I can't see the 2.6.22 kernel that I apt-getted in /usr/src. Is that normal?
03:44<Supaplex>did you get source, or image?
03:44<mohkohn>just image Supaplex
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03:44<Supaplex>it's in /boot/
03:45<Supaplex>use dpkg -L <package> to see all the files installed from it
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03:46<mohkohn>ok so then. so my next step (I am in /usr/src is to tar -xvf *2.6.23?
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03:53<mohkohn>ls -la
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04:10<mohkohn>clock skew detected. your build may be incomplete??
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04:12<GhostlyDeath>that happens when you build some files then change the time and fiish building files
04:13<GhostlyDeath>Delect all the .o's and try again
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04:14<Supaplex>mohkohn: date -u
04:14<dpkg>[time] found on, or 2007.10.21 9:14:04, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
04:14<GhostlyDeath>it's not 9:14:04
04:15<Supaplex>!lart GhostlyDeath with a timezone chart
04:15[~]dpkg decapitates GhostlyDeath with a timezone chart conan the destroyer style
04:16<mohkohn>mine says Sun Oct 7 09:14:10 UTC 2007
04:16<GhostlyDeath>!lart Supaplex with Time Zone Specifiers (EST, GMT, EDT, PST)
04:16[~]dpkg stabs Supaplex with Time Zone Specifiers (EST, GMT, EDT, PST)
04:16<fxiny>14 ?
04:16<GhostlyDeath>fxiny: foreigners use Military time mostly
04:17<mohkohn>how can I sinc with ntp servers?
04:17<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: sure dpkg didn't specify, but neiter did you. not my bot :)
04:17<fxiny>GhostlyDeath: shouldn't minutes be the same ?
04:17<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a
04:17<Supaplex>yea, with rdate.
04:17<gsimmons>!tell mohkohn -about set the time
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04:17<GhostlyDeath>5:17AM EST here
04:18[~]Supaplex waits until rsync+ssh are done chewing up his box
04:18<fxiny>Sun Oct 21 11:18:31 CEST 2007
04:18<GhostlyDeath>And My PC is synced with
04:19<fxiny>windows ? i ise ntpdate
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04:19<mohkohn>I am getting ntp not installed when I try to Sych
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04:22<GhostlyDeath>lol I found a sourceforge site with Google ads
04:22<GhostlyDeath>isnt that against their TOS?
04:23<fxiny>time is an illusion yeahhh , unless you add it to a beer as in : time for a beer !
04:23<GhostlyDeath>time flies like a banana
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04:24<fxiny>ahhh fresh ! doh ! it's snowing ! hahahah
04:24<Supaplex>anyone with a few brain cells can nullroute google's ads. *yawn*
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04:25<Supaplex>but if you like their ads, that's ok to.
04:25<Eulex>I dns-block them.
04:25<Eulex>as I do with a shitload of other ads.
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04:25<Supaplex>like tribalfusionscrewballs
04:26<Eulex>(that way all boxes on the network will automatically benefit)
04:26<mohkohn>ntpdate servers...
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04:26[~]GhostlyDeath blocks inbound connections from ad servers
04:27<ifvoid>nowhere_man: was that a question?
04:27<Supaplex>mohkohn: rdate
04:28<mohkohn>thanks Supaplex
04:29<ifvoid>or just
04:29<fxiny>i like to see what google think about me while in gmail : always wrong !
04:30<fxiny>they're AlgoSpy is pretty ridicolous
04:31<fxiny>but dangerous : it could put anyone in a illegal list !
04:31<GhostlyDeath>especially with spam
04:32<GhostlyDeath>"This person gets viagra emails so let's advertise viagra on his account."
04:32<kess77>night, all
04:32<ifvoid>please keep ontopic guys
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04:33<fxiny>true , i go back on topic , anywau gmail is my preferred
04:33<mohkohn>Seems to be compiling now
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04:34<fxiny>all the others one are sneaky : i'm sure they silently spy on me
04:35[~]Supaplex cleans up a small quagmire of network fallout
04:35<fxiny>wt4x is ?
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04:36[~]fxiny feeds a meowing quagmire with sausiges
04:39<Supaplex>o.O awee cute.
04:40[~]fxiny she appreciate it : giggity giggity giggity
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04:40<fxiny>that's how it sounds her chewing !
04:40<simonrvn>*cough* *cough*
04:41<mohkohn>How long to compile on a Pentium Dual Core?
04:41<fxiny>can't find host
04:41<Supaplex>compile what? hello world?
04:41<fxiny>wt4x ?
04:42<Supaplex>I have no idea what you are asking
04:43<onepamopa>what do you want to compile ?
04:43<GhostlyDeath>Hello World!
04:43<mohkohn>kernel 2.6.23
04:44<onepamopa>what was the build pkg ... build-essentials maybe.
04:44[~]fxiny cleans his boxes
04:44<onepamopa>blah, I'm still sleeping
04:44<mohkohn>It is compiling now ...the drivers are zooming past in green on black like the code in The Matrix as we speak
04:44<onepamopa>and that beer
04:45<onepamopa>mohkohn, so, you're compiling ...
04:45<onepamopa>what else do you want ?
04:45<mohkohn>onepamopa, cd /pub more beer
04:45<GhostlyDeath>mohkohn: You use green on black?
04:45<onepamopa>mohkohn, mv beer /dev/null
04:45<fxiny>sacrilege ! why on /dev/null ?
04:46<onepamopa>cuz I'm drinkin too fast
04:46<GhostlyDeath>because /dev/dsp is no fun anymore
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04:46<fxiny>try /dev/fxiny
04:46<onepamopa>tc.. no way ;)
04:46<fxiny>i'll open a port for it
04:46<Supaplex>!beer fxiny
04:46[~]dpkg pours a pint of Jever for fxiny
04:47<onepamopa>I'm drinkin "Kamenitza" right now ..
04:47<mohkohn_>onepamopa, sorry dropped out. reset. Yes I am compiling. Seems to be working. I needed it for my usb atheros wireless card with has a radio in it apparently
04:47[~]fxiny shows Supa a mellow orange balloon
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04:47<mohkohn_>seems to be going good though
04:47<GhostlyDeath>mohkohn, FM Radio?
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04:48<onepamopa>usb fm radio ?
04:48[~]Supaplex doesn't get any reference to that
04:48<GhostlyDeath>becuase WiFi is radio
04:48<GhostlyDeath>at microwave freqs I think
04:48[~]fxiny suggests Supa look into the sink
04:49<GhostlyDeath>mohkohn_, FM Radio?
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04:49<simonrvn>fxiny: try keeping on-topic
04:49<onepamopa>blah.. can't move /mnt/beer to /dev/null - no space left on the device
04:49<GhostlyDeath>yeah, stay on topic fxiny!
04:49<fxiny>two in a raw ?
04:50<onepamopa>4 liters ..
04:50<onepamopa>that's enough for now
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04:50<fxiny>s/raw/desolation row/g
04:51<Supaplex>if /dev/null runs out of space, maybe it's not a device.
04:51<mohkohn_>I have an Atheros card that is Zydas usb with some sort of radio chip in it
04:51<mohkohn_>or so someone told me earlier
04:51<Supaplex>1. how to piss off a sysadmin. 2. cd /dev ; ln -sf console null
04:52<mohkohn_>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS
04:52<Supaplex>mohkohn_: check into module-assistant
04:52<Supaplex>i might have the driver (or it might not)
04:52<onepamopa>Supaplex, I'm just joking ..
04:52<mohkohn_>Supaplex, I have module assistant installed
04:52<onepamopa>what I meant to say is that I cant drink beer anymore ;)
04:52<mohkohn_>Mad Wifi won't work
04:53<Supaplex>onepamopa: oh, well I have witnessed a full disk because /dev/null was deleted and quickly replaced by a normal file.
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04:53<onepamopa>yep, maybe but we're talkin about beers here :>
04:53<Supaplex>good thing it was only a 1gb filesystem, or it might have gone unnoticed for a while. :P
04:54<Supaplex>i'm talking about linux mahn.
04:55[~]onepamopa is listening to DJ_ROSS_-_Forgotten_Love_(21.april.07.).mp3
04:56<chealer>onepamopa: turn that off
04:56<onepamopa>it isnt on
04:56<Supaplex>it's as lame as <away>
04:56<onepamopa>I just type it
04:56<Supaplex>!tell onepamopa -about away
04:56<onepamopa>YES, I know
04:56<onepamopa>it's just so booring ..
04:57<Supaplex>!entertain onepamopa
04:57<onepamopa>ahah ;)
04:57<Supaplex>ahh you're out of luck.
04:57<onepamopa>yeah, I know..
04:57<onepamopa>my woman isnt around ..
04:58<mohkohn_>Which is the recommended package for flash?
04:58<onepamopa>can you be more specific ?
04:58<mohkohn_>onepamopa, Adobe Flash player
04:59<onepamopa>well, what browser are you using ?
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04:59<jcoonan>anyone around?
04:59<onepamopa>297 users
04:59<chealer>mohkohn_: the only one, flashplugin-nonfree
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05:00<onepamopa>chealer, it's easyer to use firefox and just download the plugin when requested
05:00<jcoonan>just a quick question. what do each of the debian cds include? i know the first is most popular and second is second most popular etc. but what do they actually include?
05:00<chealer>onepamopa: nah
05:00<jcoonan>is there somewhere i can go to read the details on each?
05:00<chealer>!tell jcoonan about cd contents
05:01<jcoonan>thanks chealer.
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05:05<jcoonan>i'm looking to vmware my first linux/unix distro to explore and learn. what distro would you recommend? is debian the right first step?
05:06<Eulex>jcoonan, this channel is only about pure debian, thus I doubt you'd get any other answer than 'yes' in here
05:08<ifvoid>jcoonan: no
05:08<ifvoid>jcoonan: Debian not not very fitting for beginners
05:08<ifvoid>jcoonan: you might be better off with Ubuntu
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05:09<ifvoid>jcoonan: behind the screens, it works more or less the same as Debian, but it has some nice tools
05:09<ben_goodger>ifvoid: can I have some of what you're on?
05:09<Supaplex>ifvoid: wth?
05:10<jcoonan>I'm in college for networking and information technology, so I would rather get "down and dirty" so to speak, to avoid being clueless on the command line.
05:10[~]ifvoid hands ben_goodger a cup of coffee
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05:10<ifvoid>Debian is not very geared toward beginning Linux users
05:10<ifvoid>I wouldn't recommend it to any newbies
05:10<ben_goodger>jcoonan: just use debian and be done with it then... ubuntu tends to coddle (and crash)
05:10<ifvoid>ben_goodger: don't be ridiculous
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05:11<jcoonan>Why would you say debian is not for newbies? Is it difficult to set up ?
05:11<Supaplex>ifvoid: well I beg to differ as well. imo ubuntu isn't much different than testing
05:11<ben_goodger>jcoonan: not particularly
05:11<mohkohn_>thanks chealer
05:11<onepamopa>jcoonan, it's very easy
05:11<onepamopa>much easy than slackware
05:11<ben_goodger>true, true
05:11<jcoonan>lol i sued slackware back in the day lol
05:11<ifvoid>jcoonan: Debian doesn't have many fancy graphical administration tools
05:11<mohkohn_>Well my compile seems to have worked...the moment of truth...reboot
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05:12<ifvoid>jcoonan: if you want to run debian, you'll have to use the command line
05:12<ifvoid>and read documentation
05:12<ifvoid>jcoonan: oh ok
05:12<ifvoid>jcoonan: I thought you said yuou were new to linux
05:12<jcoonan>ifvoid: I dont want fancy gui. I want the commandline. I want to be adept at using unix/linux, not at using a windows clone
05:12<ben_goodger>actually debian has mostly the same GUI thingies as ubuntu, because ubuntu has the same ones as debian plus some others of questionable value
05:12<jcoonan>ifvoid: which is why i said it is okay if it is "down and dirty"
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05:13<ifvoid>jcoonan: well, in that case, Debian might be just for you
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05:13<ifvoid>as long as you don't mind getting your hands dirty and reading documentation
05:13<jcoonan>ifvoid: Sorry for giving you a hard time. To be honest I just wanted someone to tell me it was fine. I was prolly gunna do it anyway :D
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05:14<ifvoid>jcoonan: no problem
05:14<onepamopa>jcoonan, that's right ;)
05:14<onepamopa>fsck bill gates :>
05:14<jcoonan>I dont mind the documentation. I am a newbie bit not lazy. This stuff intrests me an I enjoy going the extra mile.
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05:14<ifvoid>I am just a bit annoyed by all the people saying that Debian rulez and all other distribution suck
05:14<jcoonan>Honest question though. Should I read first then install or install an read?
05:14<ifvoid>In reality, Debian is not suited for everyone
05:14<onepamopa>ifvoid, cuz, debian rulz ;)
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05:15<ifvoid>and other distributions might be more suited for different people
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05:15<onepamopa>well, as far as i know - debby can be for anyone
05:15<onepamopa>you can do with it whatever you want
05:15<jcoonan>The beauty of vmWare is I can explore many OSs. So I think I will also check out FreeBSD
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05:16<onepamopa>jcoonan, vmWare sux
05:16<onepamopa>I tried it
05:17<jcoonan>nah I like it. When did you try it?
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05:17<jcoonan>Its wonderful now. I heard it was a hassel a while ago.
05:17<onepamopa>3 days ago
05:18<onepamopa>it requires much resources
05:18<jcoonan>I've been using it and the only problem I've had is that Unbuntu said my proccessor was old.
05:18<jcoonan>I'm running it on a laptop no problem.
05:18<onepamopa>well, maybe your laptop is more powerful than my box ;)
05:19<jcoonan>Could be.
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05:19<jcoonan>My debian torrent is dling at 2.5MiB/S
05:19<jcoonan>Thank you 6:00 in the morning bandwidth!
05:22<chealer>onepamopa: please watch your language.
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05:22<onepamopa>chealer, what's about my language ?
05:22<chealer>onepamopa: [06:15:40] <onepamopa> fsck bill gates :>
05:22<onepamopa>so, I said some things about old bill ..
05:22<onepamopa>but isnt right ?
05:23<chealer>onepamopa: and [06:17:16] <onepamopa> jcoonan, vmWare sux
05:23<onepamopa>ghh... alright
05:23<chealer>onepamopa: no. watch it please.
05:23<onepamopa>no problem
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05:23<onepamopa>but if I say something about bill... don't tell me to watch my language
05:24<Supaplex>ifvoid: jcoonan said he was looking for a linux distro to explore and learn. why not debian? yes it has a learning curve, but gee whiz, that is no show stopper.
05:24<ben_goodger>it's more the way you incessantly misspell things intentionally and seem to have trouble differentiating between zero and O that is the trouble
05:25<Supaplex>jcoonan: use any distro you like, but don't be afraid to get your feet wet. :)
05:26<ben_goodger>it's not like debian is some monstrosity where you have to compile your own kernel, libc and ultimately compiler or anything
05:26<ben_goodger>or write your own configuration files
05:26<Supaplex>jcoonan: personally, you can call me biased, but I'll still use and suggest debian. I think the policy is more sane and the package management is second to none. Yes, there are other distros that are noteworthy, and you're free to do what ever you please.
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05:29<ben_goodger>incidentally, does anyone know why my portmapper would respond only on loopback when it's configured to respond on all ports?
05:29<ben_goodger>possibly not all ports, but at least all devices
05:29<ben_goodger>my NFS client gets "rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: remote system error - connection refused"
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05:30<ben_goodger>my server gets a perfectly ordinary portmap list
05:30<jcoonan>I know exactly what you just said.
05:30<jcoonan>PS. I think they make a cream for that.
05:32<ben_goodger>well, as far as I can ascertain, nfs shares have to go through this magical device called a portmapper for some reason and mine isn't working
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05:32<jcoonan>google it
05:32<jcoonan>Always worked for me.
05:32<ben_goodger>I've googled it repeatedly
05:32<ben_goodger>it says the machine is shutting down
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05:35<ben_goodger>oh, and there are no logs anywhere
05:35<mohkohn>I don't know what has happened but now I can cut and paste from the gnome terminal
05:35<ben_goodger>you always could, surely
05:35<ben_goodger>it's ctrl-shift-C
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05:38<mohkohn>My gnome battery thingy shows no battery
05:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 317] by debhelper
05:39<mohkohn>How do I get it to show when the battery is charging?
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05:40<mohkohn>Plus I get this error for flashplayer-unfree md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
05:40<jcoonan>onepamopa: Which vmware product did you try?
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05:42<jcoonan>And just a quick mIRC question, how would I append a ":" to my tab-name function?
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05:48<Eulex>mohkohn, for the first problem, make sure that acpid is installed and the battery module is loaded.
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05:51<mohkohn>acpid is there. battery module?
05:52<mohkohn>And re just does not work???
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05:53<Eulex>mohkohn, that bug report contains the solution.
05:53<Eulex>mohkohn, btw, the package name is flashplugin-nonfree
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05:56<mohkohn>Eulex Where is the solution? Can I have a hint?
05:57<mohkohn>Successful install of pool package on Etch
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05:57<Eulex>mohkohn, the solution is to use the flashplugin-nonfree package from but read the instructions there on how to install a package before trying it.
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06:05<mohkohn>Thanks Eulex worked
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06:05<wojtek>small question
06:05<wojtek>how to get all active IPs in LAN?
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06:06<Eulex>define 'active', but in general, you can't.
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06:07<wojtek>active IPs - computers with are are online
06:08<nd>wojtek: You can ping them all and look at the arp replies if they don't respond to ping
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06:09<wojtek>know that, but if i have for example 1000 hosts in my network so its a big waste of time to ping them all individually :)
06:10<nd>nmap -sP :)
06:10<koollman>nmap is quite fast
06:12<Supaplex>wojtek: depending on your needs, hummingbird might be much better
06:12<george>one pong to ping them all and in their replies, invite them?
06:13<ben_goodger>can nobody help me sort out this damned portmapper?
06:13<wojtek>thx man, i will check that
06:13<george>still no portmapper? wow
06:13<Supaplex>ben_goodger: did you dpkg-reconfigure portmapper recently?
06:14<ben_goodger>only after I discovered that it might be set to only respond on lo
06:14<ben_goodger>it isn't, in fact
06:14<ben_goodger>not since then, at least
06:15<george>so after that did you restart the portmapper?
06:15<Supaplex>man, makewhatis is totally kicking my butt. it's reniced all the way down to 19 and it's still an i/o hog.
06:15<ben_goodger>about ten times
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06:15<george>and following that, did you restart the nfs daemons?
06:16<ben_goodger>Supaplex: you should try terminating a 400MB iceweasel process with 480MB of ram
06:16<george>sounds reasonable
06:16<nd>ben_goodger: netstat -anp |grep portmap confirms that it's not listening on lo only?
06:16<ben_goodger>the grinding... oh, the grinding
06:16<Supaplex>ben_goodger: I have and(8) for that.
06:16<ben_goodger>there are a lot of numbers
06:17<ben_goodger>mostly ip-formatted sequences of 0s
06:17<ben_goodger>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 13719/portmap
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06:17<nd>No udp line?
06:17<ben_goodger>well, yeah, but I didn't think it was important
06:17<Supaplex>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 2461/portmap
06:17<Supaplex>udp 0 0* 2461/portmap
06:17<Supaplex>works fine here.
06:17<ben_goodger>it says the same without the LISTEN anyway
06:18<nd>That's ok
06:18<nd>And rpcinfo -p <server-ip> does not work?
06:19<ben_goodger>not from the client
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06:19<ben_goodger>connection refused
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06:19<ben_goodger>it works fine this end, of course *rolls eyes*
06:20[~]george suspects some sort of firewall rules in effect on the server machine
06:20<seregan>а тут по русски ктонидь говорит ??
06:20<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:20<ben_goodger>hooray for cyrillic nonetheless
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06:21<ben_goodger>what I never understood was why they stuck the tails on the delta to make it look like an A. it doesn't make much sense
06:23<nd>ben_goodger: Did you try to use rpcinfo -p <ip-addr>?
06:24<ben_goodger>rpcinfo -r <hostname>.<doamin>
06:24<ben_goodger>I'll try with the IP though
06:24<nd>You may also want to run portmap in foreground. portmap -d -f -v
06:25<george>in order to more easily watch its action while trying to connect to it
06:25<ben_goodger>! suddenly it works
06:25<ben_goodger>must be the domain
06:26<george>so it's actually a dns/hosts issje
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06:26<ben_goodger>and I don't like static IPs
06:26<george>so you've been banging your head against the wrong wall this whole time... I feel for ya, I know the feeling... just call me flathead :)
06:27<george>then you also don't like domain names
06:28<ben_goodger>now it's permisison denied on the NFS mount
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06:28<ben_goodger>well, I don't like domain nammes either, but they seem to remain reasonably static without arsing around
06:32<george>is this your internal network?
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06:33<george>that is behind a firewall, possbily nat box you control?
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06:38<Supaplex> lol
06:39<fxiny>hehehe some "unusual problems serving the requested URL" :)
06:39<Supaplex>the path should offer some clues :)
06:39<Eulex>I couldn't access /etc/shadow
06:39<Supaplex>not the smartest stuff to offer :)
06:39<fxiny>yes ? lemme see
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06:40<fxiny>math should be smart be default :P
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06:42<george>ben_goodger: the thing is...
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06:42<george>if you have a box which is a server, it is handy/convenient for it to be on a static ip
06:42<ben_goodger>incidentally, it is now all working
06:42<george>if it's not,
06:42<schnurz>hi. is there a knob on /dev/input/mice to increase mouse sensitivity? gnome's graphical knob did not work.
06:42<george>then how will you find the server?
06:43<Supaplex>ben_goodger: PFM huh?
06:43<dpkg>hmm... pfm is Pure Fucking Magic
06:43<ben_goodger>..oh, yes
06:43<ben_goodger>good old pf magic
06:43<ben_goodger>they made good games
06:43<ben_goodger>and were then bought out by a heartless conglomerate
06:43<fxiny>magic ? you seek magic ?
06:44<george>in soviet russia, magic seeks YOU
06:44[~]fxiny is a big fan of asf
06:45<fxiny>seems under a spell that soviet thing :P
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06:46<LeRoutier>I'd like to know in which dir would mozilla based browsers/apps look for plugins on Debian
06:46<fxiny>hmmm : why this hosts "::1 localhost" ?
06:46<LeRoutier>As i'm redoing packaging for swfdec-mozilla and want to install the plugin in a dir that would work for Debian & Ubuntu
06:46<LeRoutier>fxiny, ipv6 localhost
06:47<george>fxiny: for ipv6 localhost
06:47<fxiny>ahh yes !
06:48<fxiny>ahahah hosts allow >> ftpd and popa3d , heheheh
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06:49<fxiny>deny ALL: ALL especially fxiny . strange ! wt4x !
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06:49<fxiny>Eulex: have yoy seen it ? ^^^
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06:50<Eulex>fxiny, what?
06:51<fxiny>nothing . i'm "exploring" some math problems :)
06:51<Eulex>fxiny, ::1 is ipv6 for
06:52<fxiny>Eulex: yes yes : i had a beer "vacuum" in my left brain :)
06:52<george>fxiny: if you're interested in explorative math you might check out scheme and sicp
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06:53<fxiny>george: scheme as in lisp ?
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06:54<george>fxiny: yeah
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06:55<george>fxiny: you think you might be interested?
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06:56<fxiny>george: what can i say ? i like lisp people sense of humor
06:57<george>then you might appreciate this:
06:57<fxiny>i cannot get closer then that : blame perl if you want :)
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06:57<fxiny>lemme see
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06:58<fxiny>george: nice links ! rtorrent ready
06:59<george>cool :) you might also want to see this...
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06:59<ben_goodger>*runs through window*
07:00<george>the dance craze of 2001!
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07:00<george>yeah, if fxiny does anything with this, he will be writing lotsa lambdas
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07:03<fxiny>george: yeaahhh i'll write lambdas || dance lambadas :))
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07:04<george>okwell there's a few different ways to play in this realm... gimp has a scheme interp... you could get drscheme... mit scheme... guile scheme
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07:05<fxiny>george: all this stuff today ? what have i done ? it's synday ! and its snowing :)
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07:05<george>going somewhere? :)
07:06<fxiny>nahhh : the fridge is full up :)
07:07<george>oh... wellthen :)
07:07<ben_goodger>gotta love the british mobile telephony network
07:07<ben_goodger>I just got a text that was sent by my network's missed call notifier on thursday afternoon
07:07<fxiny>george: i'm playing with vserver : very nice stuff
07:08<george>yeah I'm trying to play with xen myself
07:08<fxiny>how is it ?
07:08<petemc>xen works great
07:09<fxiny>vserver is wierd : from a jail to another then back to host hd . very funny
07:09<fxiny>i'm running it on a PII 400 as well
07:09<george>I run 64b machine with a 64b xen dom0, and I'm trying to start an old 32b os as a domU
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07:09<petemc>you need xen 3.1 to do that
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07:10<fxiny>but i'll xenify myself next year
07:10<george>petemc: have it
07:10<petemc>well, it should work, then...
07:10<george>running 3.1 dom0 right now
07:10<george>yeah I know
07:11<war> <- Anyone know how to get Debian to show man pages like RedHat 7/8/9 used to? man ls for example would show the BOLD text in yellow and underline in purple/making it very easy to read?
07:11<george>I know I'm gonna find I did something dumb or else the old os is doing things that it should only do if it's standalone booting
07:11<george>or both
07:12<sametch>hi guys , maybe this question had been asked before by many users but I would lilke to know if there's any yahoo messenger like app for linux that would support voice chat at least?
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07:16<fxiny>george: 20 torrents ready !
07:17<fxiny>to go
07:17<george>maybe you should watch the first one and see if you really want to go there :)
07:17<george>then start the other 19
07:18<fxiny>of course
07:18<george>I'm guessing you'll really enjoy it
07:18<george>but that's a guess
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07:19<fxiny>well what i appreciate is mit offerint torrents , i could wget all of them but i prefere the torrent
07:19<george>one thing you'll find is that mit is offering most of their curricula
07:20<fxiny>i knew that but i was too lazy to check
07:20<fxiny>george: speed goes up and up !
07:21<fxiny>george: 25.4 / 481.8 MB Rate: 0.0 / 334.4 KB Uploaded:
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07:22<fxiny>i wonder if this triggers some spy isp swat team hehehe
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07:24<seregan> make xconfig
07:24<seregan> HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep
07:24<seregan>scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:23: error: sys/types.h: Нет такого файла или каталога
07:24<seregan>??? ((
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07:27<george>"Нет такого файла или каталога" ==> english please, but probably you have to install build-essential
07:27<Jeffro>Hello, I need to install a quick easy program with which I can scroll quick through a 500 mb log file. Nano doesnt support going to the bottom. so i'm using Xming to forward x11 right now
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07:27<george>aaannnnndddddddd... I'm gone for awhile!
07:28<Jeffro>So what program which I can see text easy with that i can go to the bottom easy?
07:28<lupine_85>Jeffro: less, tail
07:28<Jeffro>ok ill give it a try
07:28<fxiny>george: about the book : i already found my place on it : chapter 4.2.2 An Interpeter with Lazy Evaluation :))
07:29<lupine_85>tail -n <x> gives you the last <x> lines of the file. less lets you scroll through the entire file; hit <end> to go to the (wait for it) end of the file
07:29<ben_goodger>why does debian operate only on runlevels 0,1,2,6?
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07:29<lupine_85>ben_goodger: you can use the other runlevels, they're just identical to runlevel 2 by default
07:29<fxiny>because the debian sage wants it this way ?
07:30<lupine_85>feel free to modify them however you like
07:30<alth>Hey all, just installed Debian 4.0r1 on my desktop ^^ Have a couple of quick questions. The first of which being, I'm running an ATi X600XT, and I don't think my video drivers are installed correctly. The right hand edge of my screen is slightly cut-off, for example. How can I check my drivers, and what should I be running? :)
07:30<ben_goodger>and why doesn't it just use all five like everyone else, thus saving people lots of time when they want runlevel 4 style behaviour?
07:31<lupine_85>alth: I get that. hitting the "auto" button on my monitor fixes it
07:31<Jeffro>Less doesnt respond to end
07:31<ben_goodger>alth: it's a question of the video card output, as lupine_85 says you just need to readjust your monitor. you have my pity if it's a CRT
07:31<alth>Hmm, hehe, that fixed it for me too, but will it reset at reboot? Because that would be a pain.
07:31<ben_goodger>no, it won't
07:31<alth>It's a nice shiny LCD, don't worry :)
07:31<Jeffro>Any program I can install that supports gtk screen or something
07:32<Jeffro>except for kwrite
07:32[~]alth feels like an idiot now, if that was all it was :)
07:32<ben_goodger>the GPU has little control over your monitor :)
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07:32<lupine_85>Jeffro: it works just fine here
07:32<Jeffro>But any program i can install, i forwarded x11 succesfully
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07:32<alth>Ok. Next question is - I want pretty eyecandy. Should I bother with Compiz/Beryl?
07:33<ben_goodger>oh, gods, no
07:33<lupine_85>only if you've got plenty of spare time with the tweaking
07:33<ben_goodger>compiz is for autistic masochists
07:33<lupine_85>note that beryl is discontinuted in favour of "compiz fusion" these days, anyway
07:33<ben_goodger>e.g. "ooh, pretty colours, and I don't care that I'm not doing anything useful with my system".
07:34<lupine_85>eh, there are useful features in there
07:34<ben_goodger>the theory is sound but the technology is terrible. it should be stable and graceful in a year or two, let's hope
07:35<lupine_85>lol, they finally got round to a release
07:35<alth>Yeah, I thought it was stable now ><
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07:35<alth>And no, no large amounts of time for tweaking, no I'm not an autistic masochist, and yes I want to be doing something useful with my system. So that's a no to the eyecandy :P
07:36<ben_goodger>I find clearlooks-cairo-2 all the eyecandy I need
07:36<ben_goodger>though of course you can tweak that too
07:36<fxiny>alth: something useful like xen maybe ? or vserver ?
07:36<fxiny>se-linux ?
07:36<fxiny>all are better games
07:36<Jeffro>Is there any handy programs to use in combination with Xming for easy program launchinh?
07:37[~]lupine_85 uses NX because it's the fastest one he's found
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07:37<lupine_85>and, um, /most/ of it is free :D
07:37<lupine_85>well, Free (it's all free)
07:37<fxiny>Jeffro: a program launcher ? grun ?
07:37<Jeffro>hmm maybe xD
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07:38<ben_goodger>I suggest some sort of miniature trebuchet
07:38<ben_goodger>you could print the program out..
07:38<fxiny>ben_goodger: wt4x is a trebuchet ? some kind of lace ? :)
07:38<ben_goodger>a seige weapon
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07:39<lupine_85>pff, trebuchets are no fun
07:39<fxiny>it sounds like a wag garnment
07:39<ben_goodger>you tip it up, you put rocks (or source code) in the scoop thing, wind it up and <span style="accent: scottish">let her go!</span>
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07:39<alth>So hang on, fxiny, what do those do? Xen etc? And Ben, clearlooks = ?
07:40<ben_goodger>clearlooks is the default GUI theme
07:40<fxiny>alth: welcome to the future : xen is the future :)
07:40<lupine_85>fxiny: if you remember the battle between the last free men at the white city, and the orcs/etc, in lord of the rings... the big machines that were throwing huge chunks of masonry... they were trebuchets
07:40<ben_goodger>it has proven both pretty and useful
07:40<lupine_85>and you don't wind trebuchets up, that would be a catapult
07:40<alth>Ben - Now I feel stupid, because I knew that :)
07:41<alth>fxiny - Xen, on the other hand, I don't know. Apt-get install xen? :)
07:41<fxiny>lupine_85: yes ! true ! now i remember :)))
07:41<ben_goodger>alth: a bit more than that
07:41<ben_goodger>it's a virtualiser
07:41<ben_goodger>you can run other operating systems at the same time as the main one
07:41<ben_goodger>nobody seems to know how it works, but it seems to
07:42<fxiny>alth: is not like that : google a bit , plenty of tutorials
07:42<lupine_85>it's pretty useless for the average user
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07:43<Supaplex>xen is a hypervisor. if vmware had to run the same way, vmware would be the hypervisor, and the main kernel would be dom0
07:43<ben_goodger>if I'm copying files between two nfs shares, are they going to this computer via NFS or just moving between hard disks on the server?
07:43<Eulex>ben_goodger, to your computer via nfs, from your computer via nfs.
07:44<Eulex>I think, at least. but it's easy to find out.
07:44<alth>Xen = vmware equivalent then?
07:44<ben_goodger>oh hell
07:44<ben_goodger>I should have just logged into the server then
07:44<lupine_85>alth: they do the same thing, but in different ways
07:44<ben_goodger>meh, I have three hours spare
07:44<Supaplex>alth: similar, but not quite
07:44[~]alth nods
07:44<fxiny>alth: if you have enough resources i suggets you to look around for this kind of things : you'll never know :)
07:44<Eulex>just take a look at how busy your network is.
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07:44<lupine_85>(well, from the user's pov, they do the same thing)
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07:46<alth>Ok, Zen scares me >.<
07:46[~]alth checked some tutorials.
07:46<lupine_85>if you want something productive to do, write an essay
07:46<fxiny>the eyecandy hype is misliding people into dead alleys : some deserve it some don't
07:47<alth>It's not the hype that makes me want it, it's the "Well, this is already a productive box, it has two perfectly working operating systems on, what can I use to show people why I like /this/ one?" :P
07:47<alth>Hence the question about compiz, heh.
07:47<ben_goodger>maybe you could quote uptimes at them
07:47<alth>Now, I just have to fix a small gnome problem, so I'll be back after a login. ^^
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07:47<alth>Yeah, that always impressed me.
07:48<alth>*Uptime 355 days : *System is going down NOW! :P
07:48<ben_goodger>it only really needs to kill firefox-bin every two hours and it'll be up forever
07:49<alth>One of my mates used to post one of those in his blog every year or so. Every time he did, I'd try a new linux distro :P
07:49<fxiny>take all the cpu power we can get today and think about what in the past foss coders have done with next to nothing=slack hardware : do you think wasting power on eyecanduy is ok ? i don't .
07:49<lupine_85>capitalism says it is :D
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07:49<alth>fxiny - I've got power to burn, and the current install isn't touching it, why not utilise some of what I've paid for? :)
07:49<fxiny>i am just a user
07:50<fxiny>i know my limits
07:50<alth>Ben - Kill firefox-bin? The system I'm talking about ran bitchX and screen, hehehe. Unsurprisingly stable :P
07:50<Jeffro>How can I make a website on my server and open SH files via webpage?
07:50<alth>Anyway, be right back.
07:50<lupine_85>Jeffro: open as in view, or as in execute?
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07:50<fxiny>alth: you can do whatever you want : there is more then eycandy ready for you . if you want eyecandy no problems :)
07:50<lupine_85>you'll need to check out CGI
07:51<lupine_85>apache2 does the webserver part
07:51<george>lupine_85: capitalism? see aaron russo's last movie (which you can for free), go to #politics and talk about cpaitalism there :)
07:51<Jeffro>Ok, because now if i want to reboot my cod2 servers I have to login with putty each time >.<
07:51<lupine_85>I was just trolling ;)
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07:51<george>no kidding.... really?
07:52<lupine_85>"oh noes"? :)
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07:52<lupine_85>capitalism is actually the best social and wealth distribution system because it encourages self-restraint and responsibility
07:53<lupine_85>(now I'm being sarcastic)
07:53<george>lupine_85: seriously, russo (who produced "trading places" for one) made a really interesting movie...
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07:53<ben_goodger>capitalism works very well, you just have to regulate the hell out of it
07:53<Br01>i have kde and gnome installed
07:53<Br01>how to remove gnome with all his packet
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07:54<george>ben_goodger: see the movie, then see how you feel after that about regulation :)
07:54<george>if you really want to be regulated that much, they might as well inject the id / gps chip into your arm right now
07:54<lupine_85>you know, movies aren't the best vehicle for reasoned, logical, deductive arguments (a bit like IRC, really). They're great for propaganda, though
07:55<ben_goodger>if only..
07:55<ben_goodger>RFID-tagging everyone would solve so many problems
07:55<Eulex>and create so many problems
07:55<lupine_85>technology has great difficulty solving social problems
07:55<lupine_85>due to them being social, not technolgical, in nature
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07:56<alth>There we go.
07:56<ben_goodger>it effectively eliminates the need for passports, money, and ruthless anti-terror squads
07:56<lupine_85>no, it doesn't, because RFID chips are easily deactivated and/or forged
07:56<ben_goodger>well, some sort of reliable synonym for the same
07:56<george>the problem is solutions can be repurposed after they are deployed
07:56<lupine_85>doesn't exist, and never will
07:57<fxiny>technology works on truth and rules : politics on lies and violence
07:57<fxiny>i follows rules not politics
07:57<ben_goodger>george: yes, there's the issue
07:57<george>fxiny: and politics works on technology
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07:57[~]lupine_85 doesn't trust his government very much anyway. Or yours, for that matter
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07:58<george>lupine_85: that's probably a good thing...
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07:58<fxiny>george: i use to say politics=reboot
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08:01<fxiny>george: politics = discrimination . debian does not discriminate anyone by contract , not even the bastards . so is good for me
08:01<fxiny>i read it like a rule
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08:08<dn7>i'm having trouble installing debian on a SATA partition... i get a debootstrap error :-/
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08:09<tiCo>show the error?
08:09<Eulex>dn7, tried a normal netinstall?
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08:09<george>show how you started
08:09<dn7>tried the default netinstall but got
08:10<dn7>ata1.00: failed to set xfermode(err_mask = 0.x40)
08:10<dn7>but got aroudn that using 'install irqpoll' ..
08:10<george>did you mount this partition before you tried to debootstrap?
08:10<dn7>well the installation claimed that it waas mounted
08:10<Eulex>dn7, you could try
08:11<george>dn7: nono, when you debootstrapped
08:11<dn7>Eulex: i will sure do
08:11<dn7>erm george all i do is insert the netinst cd and use install irqpoll then
08:11<george>how is debootstrap involved?
08:12<dn7>i have no idea.. that's what i see in the install log (tty4)
08:12<dn7>etch-custom-1013.iso - kernel version 2.6.23 + experimental e1000e driver ... i'll try this ;)
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08:12<george>so you did not yourself run debootstrap?
08:13<dn7>the installation did.. while installing the base system
08:13<george>ok, nm
08:13<george>ok, understood
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08:14<fxiny>george: hahah _ lecture 1 : he says : "computer science has a lot in common with magic" hehehe
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08:15<george>fxiny: just wait till you get to see how lisp interpretation works
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08:15<george>dey put on funny hats
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08:19<george>fxiny: in that lecture they teach all of basic lisp... so get your scheme interp out :)
08:19<george>do the examples if you -really- want to have fun
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08:22<george>fxiny: also look at this:
08:23<george>and see what you can come up with for exercise 1.6
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08:24<fxiny>george: that book is already on my "to be mirrored list"
08:25<fxiny>george: i'm downloading all torrents lessons 1 to 2
08:25<skiter>I have problem with sound, driver snd-hda-intel and esd... the sound card work, but when I running esd, don't work
08:26<lupine_85>if you're running esd, the sound has to go through it in order to reach the sound card
08:26<george>fxiny: soo... what'
08:26<george>is wrong with new-if?
08:27<lupine_85>it's written in lisp, that's what
08:28<skiter>lupine_85, when I try listen a song without esd work, when I running esd don't work, but work with artsd
08:28<lupine_85>artsd releases the sound card when not used for a certain amount of time
08:29<fxiny>george: is ok : it offers the same point of view of the real students .
08:30<fxiny>george: i need a proper lisp hat on : if (next week) the muses will show me where it is i will wear it
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08:30<ben_goodger>my load averages are 5.3, 5.1, 5.3
08:34<skiter>lupine_85, now work, I install the libesd-alsa0
08:34<george>lupine_85: and more specifically?
08:35<lupine_85>george: I don't know. lisp makes my brain melt
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08:39<thecoalescent>hi, I'm having troubles with an NVidia card after upgrading from kernel 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.22-2. The card is an old one which uses the 96xx interface, so I need to install a package in the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx selection.
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08:40<ben_goodger>testing doesn't currently have nvidia drivers for varying reasons
08:40<thecoalescent>the problem is that I'm clueless about manual package compilation, and so am completely unequipped to handle the errors I'm getting. I'd normally JFGI, but I'm a newbie with Lynx too.
08:40<ben_goodger>however, the amount of time before it _does_ is finite
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08:41<ben_goodger>you should change "nvidia" in your xorg.conf to "nv"
08:41<ben_goodger>you won't have acceleration, but the display will work
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08:45<ben_goodger>oh good
08:45<ben_goodger>do people collect sheep skulls?
08:46<ben_goodger>hmm, my NFS setup is operating at 6 MiB/s
08:46<thecoalescent>OK, I'll try that. ISTR that last time I tried nv it just gave me an empty black screen of doom, so if I vanish suddenly it's because I had to reboot.
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08:58<thecoalescent>nv is apparently contraindicated
08:59<thecoalescent>I'm thinking it might be easiest to regress to 2.6.18 until there's a suitable nvidia package. ben_goodger: you said that such a package would be available in "finite time". could you elaborate?
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09:00<Eulex>thecoalescent, there will be such a package in testing again, some time.
09:00<ben_goodger>thecoalescent: there definitely will be a package at some point
09:01<ben_goodger>as opposed to there might not ever be a package
09:01<thecoalescent>right, thanks very much for your help. I'll go regress.
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09:10<user01>usbdisk no longer automatically mounts . . . for some reason so i tried to manually mount it as user didnt work so i tried to mount it as root and chmod 766 for the directory and as user it says i still dont have permission to use
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09:13<user01>anyway to get it to automatically mount again for user?
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09:21<dn7>thanks guys
09:22<dn7>this backported version worked like a charm ;)
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09:36<vincent>is someone using Lenny on a Portable?
09:37<vincent>i've got some problems with Suspend/Hibernation
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09:38<JasonS>!tell vincent about ask
09:38<luciano_uisk>i had just installed Xscreensaver, how can i configure gnome to use it instead of the default gnome screensaver?
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09:40<vincent>i have a problem with suspend on Debian Lenny, when i close the lid of my portable it just locks the screen and does not Suspend
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09:40<vincent>Hibernation works, but the wireless connection doesn't resume
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09:42<navaburo>is there an official doc on installing debian sid ?
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09:43<luciano_uisk>other issue
09:43<gsimmons>!tell navaburo -about sid faq
09:43<luciano_uisk>i was trying to use kdbg into gnome, but it fails sometimes
09:43<thecoalescent>is it just me, or does nvidia-glx-legacy depend on nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx? That can't be right, can it?
09:43<luciano_uisk>is there any graphic frontend for gdb in gnome?
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09:52<JasonS>!tell navaburo about unstable
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10:05<fizzmahon>hey guys, my sound was working perfectly fine yesterday but after a reboot last night nothing. ive tried to reconfigure alsa but still nothing. it seems as if some other device is using it. how can i fix this?
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10:08<ben_goodger>fizzmahon: reboot again?
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10:08<fizzmahon>ben_goodger: tried, no go
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10:09<fizzmahon>xmms gives me "Couldn't open audio" error
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10:10<sheldonh>fizzmahon: what audio device is xmms trying to open?
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10:11<fizzmahon>sheldonh: how do i check? xmms worked yesterday with my usual sound devices
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10:11<fizzmahon>the only thing i did yesterday was install virtualbox
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10:13<jhhack>anyone familiar with aircrack
10:13<cart>give here the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound
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10:15<sheldonh>fizzmahon: i don't use xmms, so i don't know how to answer the question
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10:17<fizzmahon>sheldonh: but no programs are able to output sound
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10:19<cart>fizzmahon, give the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound
10:20<fizzmahon>cart: pastebin?
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10:20<Br01>ntfs-3g: Dépend: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) mais 2.5.3-4.4 devra être installé
10:20<Br01>E: Paquets défectueux
10:20<fizzmahon>alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
10:21<fizzmahon>options snd-intel8x0 index=0
10:21<sheldonh>fizzmahon: if you don't know what device your apps are trying to use, and you think one may be hogging it, you could try this: find /dev -group audio | xargs lsof
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10:22<cart>fizzmahon, ok and give the last line of the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, the lines after the comment # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
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10:23<fizzmahon>options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
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10:24<cart>just this ?
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10:25<fizzmahon>cart: that is the last line
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10:26<cart>fizzmahon, sorry my english isnt good, I asked all the lines after the comment
10:26<fizzmahon>ah ok
10:27<fizzmahon>cart: sorry, which comment? there are a few.
10:27<cart>fizzmahon, in the end, the comment # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
10:27<fizzmahon>ah ok
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10:30<Br01>i have kde and gnome installed, how to remove gnome with his all paquets ?
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10:31<cart>it seems to be good mmm
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10:32<cart>fizzmahon, try this command : arecord -l
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10:33<fizzmahon>arecord: device_list:222: no soundcards found...
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10:34<cart>I mean you already do a alsaconf
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10:34<fizzmahon>cart: yes i have, and it was working fine until yesterday
10:35<fizzmahon>cart: and i reconfigred alsa this morning, still no go :(
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10:35<cart>fizzmahon, did you tape alsactl after
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10:37<fizzmahon>cart: done believe so, what is tape?
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10:38<cart>sorry, tape=execute the command
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10:39<cart>alsactl save the configuration of the sound card
10:40<cart>i dont undertstand why your card isnt reconize :/
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10:51<Onepamopa>cart, is the card integrated on your motherboard
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10:51<Onepamopa>or it's external ?
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10:52<cart>Onepamopa, its not my problem, its fot fizzmahon
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10:54<Onepamopa>hallo, xmarkox
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10:56<xmarkox>where are you from ?, Onepamopa
10:56<Onepamopa>from bulgaria
10:57<xmarkox>I am from venezuela
10:57<Onepamopa>alright, so.. what's the problem? :>
10:58<xmarkox>Do you Know install beryl in debian Etch?
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10:59<tony>has anybody got this to work with debian/linux: ?
10:59<Onepamopa>what's that ?
10:59<tony>some kind of voip
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10:59<tony>in a flash disk
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11:00<tony>with land line for $19/year
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11:01<Onepamopa>land line?
11:01<Onepamopa>or leased line
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11:01<tony>land line end point connection, not only pc2pc
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11:02<Onepamopa>well, I have something called twinkle
11:02<Onepamopa>but I never used it
11:02<tony>like any other regular voip service, but at better price, but they don't support linux, so may be someone knows how to make it work
11:02<Onepamopa>tony, well.. try with wine
11:02<tony>hmm, thats an idea...
11:03<Onepamopa>if it's not doing the job, and if you want it so much, install windoze
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11:03<tony>thanx for the idea Onepamopa. I don't want to install windows, havent had it except for the office since 2000
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11:06<Mykroft>is anyone in here familiar with the tomcat5.5-admin package?
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11:11<george>Mykroft: /msg dpkg ask
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11:11<Mykroft>fair enough
11:12<Mykroft>the tomcat5.5-admin package is giving me a 403 page whenever i try to login
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11:13<Mykroft>it's a default install with the fix for bug 402229
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11:17<walber>hi guys!!!
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11:18<walber>my issue is with sarg
11:18<walber>sarg -l /var/log/squid/access.log
11:18<walber>Error: Invalid syntax in weekdays tag!
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11:20<walber>as solve this issue?
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11:23<walber>somebody it can help me with this issue?
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11:27<sasha>hi , did anybody managed to use wxnet under mono/debian
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11:27<Myon>walber: well, check the config what "weekdays tag" is
11:28<walber>is default
11:29<walber>this is issue, because is marked default
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11:30<S3v3N>hello all. how do i configure internet on debian if i don't have dhcp on, and im connected through switch, having dynamic ip?
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11:31<walber>Myon some other suggestion?
11:31<meoblast001>ive been asking a question in a Ubuntu IRC and ive waited too long without answer.... now that i believe they wont answer me, ive decided to come to the IRC of the most similar OS
11:32<meoblast001>so my problem is this, i was upgrading my OS to a new dist version, and it crashed halfway through, i turned off my computer and now my kernel panics
11:33<Myon>S3v3N: you mean you don't have dh-client installed, or you don't use dhcp at all?
11:33<meoblast001>based on what's at the bottom of do i have any hope to repair the upgrade?
11:33<Myon>meoblast001: sorry, no ubuntu support here
11:33<S3v3N>Myon: i dont use dhcp at all
11:33<Myon>especially *not* for upgrading issues
11:33<S3v3N>Myon: and i have dynamic ip..
11:33<Myon>S3v3N: so how do you get the dynamic ip?
11:33<meoblast001>where can i go where its not so packed they wont answer me
11:34<meoblast001>my questions scroll off the screen in like 5 seconds
11:34<lupine_85>#ubuntu ?
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11:34<meoblast001>no ones in there
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11:35<S3v3N>Myon: here on my computer i have windows xp, i didn't have to do nothing at network connections to connect on internet... it's not PPPoE like ADSL... it automaticaly connect you to the internet
11:35<Myon>is there some router in front of the line?
11:35<Onepamopa>S3v3N, so, it's dhcp
11:36<S3v3N>no nothing
11:36<S3v3N>modem -> switch -> my computer
11:36<S3v3N>from switch is connected my computer, brothers computer and now computer with debian
11:36<S3v3N>but on debian i don't have internet because no dhcp
11:36<lupine_85>dhclient <interface>
11:36<S3v3N>and i don't know how to configure internet without dhcp
11:36<Myon>what kind of connection is that?
11:37<lupine_85>dhclient <interface> (probably eth0)
11:37<S3v3N>i don't know how to tell :P
11:37<S3v3N>you don't need username and pass to connect to the internet
11:37<Onepamopa>dsl xdsl adsl ?
11:37<Onepamopa>so, what you need to do is : <lupine_85> dhclient <interface> (probably eth0)
11:38<lupine_85>also, t2 ftw
11:38<S3v3N>ok i'll try ;)
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11:38<lupine_85>the router/modem/switch might have access controls, but probably not
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11:44<S3v3N>Onepamopa: No DHCPOFFERS reveived.
11:44<Onepamopa>what did you do?
11:44<S3v3N>i logined as root
11:44<S3v3N>wrote dhclient
11:44<S3v3N>and wait
11:44<Onepamopa>dhclient eth0
11:44<S3v3N>wait i'll try
11:45<S3v3N>i think it will be same thing but lets see
11:45<Onepamopa>well, how many ethernet cards do you have
11:45<Onepamopa>on your box ?
11:45<S3v3N>only one and this one is eth0
11:46<S3v3N>yes same thing
11:46<Onepamopa>try restarting the modem
11:46<Onepamopa>and use dhclient eth0
11:46<sasha> hi , did anybody managed to use wxnet under mono/debian
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11:47<Onepamopa>sasha, I think you should ask google first
11:47<sasha>nothing about my problen in there
11:47<Onepamopa>so, first
11:47<Onepamopa>what's wxnet
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11:47<sasha>it a c# wrappe for wxwidget
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11:48<Onepamopa>I dont know any of those
11:48<S3v3N>Onepamopa: same thing... look i think you didn't understand me good i'll explain you again
11:48<sasha>i cant use any application using it cause i m missing sone native librairies , but i don t know the mono command to see witch
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11:48<Onepamopa>S3v3N, go ahead
11:48<Onepamopa>sasha, wait..
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11:51<sasha>i just found LD_DEBUG=files mono myapp.exe but it show only the shared librairies being load and not he one missing
11:51<julian>im looking for suggestions for a lisp compiler and IDE. anything but emacs or something command line based. any ideas?
11:51<julian>the more the IDE does for me the better :)
11:51<S3v3N>I have modem -> switch -> on switch connected 3 computers. 2 got Windows XP, 1 got DEBIAN 4.0 r1 console mode. I have dynamic IP. On 2 computers with windows XP internet works fine (i didn't need to configurate anything at network, just leave the network TCP/IP properties blank). When I was installing debian on third computer first it wanted to connect through dhcp but i dont have any dhcp. So how do I must configurate internet on debian if i don't know dhcp?
11:51<S3v3N>if i don't have dhcp*
11:51<Onepamopa>S3v3N, so, go to one windoze box, check what's the internal IP, netmask, dns1/2 and gateway
11:52<Onepamopa>and paste them to me
11:52<Onepamopa>so we wont flood the channel
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11:52<lupine_85>S3v3N: have you checked OSI levels 1 and 8 ?
11:53<S3v3N>lupine_85: no
11:54<lupine_85>you probably should. they're namely the hardware (network cable especially) and yourself (doing silly things)
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11:55<lupine_85>if it can't get a DHCP response from the server/router, that suggests dodgy hardware at some point to me
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11:56<julian>any LISP guys here? I'm looking for a decent IDE and compiler for lisp
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11:56<lupine_85>you're doing it wrong. the next line is "chickalow"
11:56<julian>anything but emacs
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11:57<HarDGuN>look i was wondering about why after i insatlled mozilla iceape when i enter URL in address bar it do nothing but when i enter IP address it works fine why so ?
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11:57<julian>well. emacs/vi(m)/pico/ etc. i'm looking for a nice IDE for it
11:57<lupine_85>HarDGuN: sounds like broken DNS
11:58<lupine_85>julian: kdevelop? Don't know if it supports lisp
11:58<HarDGuN>how can i solve this out ?
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11:59<julian>ummm. ill look into it
11:59<lupine_85>hmm. nope, not kdevelop
11:59<lupine_85>doesn't support lisp
11:59<lupine_85>HarDGuN: well, depends on your network setup and stuff. it might be as simple as disabling ipv6 lookups in about:config
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12:00<julian>i have to learn lisp for a data structures
12:00<julian>and this is a painful process
12:00<lupine_85>I can imagine :D
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12:02<paolopoz12>hello everyone! i need help with dpkg
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12:04<lupine_85>S3v3N: it's very impolite to /msg people
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12:05<sheldonh>lupine_85: unless you think they're hot
12:05<lupine_85>I am hot, but that's beside the point
12:05<HarDGuN>thanx lupine_85 problem solved
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12:08<grummund>anyone have a good way to count the number of mails in an mbox file?
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12:08<DanDare>hello, im getting "ETX3-FS warming dx_probe: unrecognized inode hash code 24" this means my disk is going to die?
12:09<DanDare>i dunno but seems that it started happening after i did "grub-install /dev/hda"
12:09<lupine_85>grummund: you could grep "From: " <filename> |wc -l
12:10<DanDare>*using etch
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12:13<grummund>lupine_85: thanks, i settled on:- grep '^From ' -c file.mbx
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12:14<S3v3N>lupine_85: could you tell me the command in debian to open setup for network settings?
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12:15<lupine_85>you configure interfaces using ifconfig
12:15<grummund>emacs /etc/network/interfaces
12:15<lupine_85>or ip if you're 1337
12:15<S3v3N>i know that /etc/network/interfaces
12:15<lupine_85>there are a variety of gui frontends that are more or even more crap
12:15<S3v3N>but i want that setup will open maybe there are some other options to set the internet
12:15<lupine_85>networkmanager seems to get good press, despite it being utter crap
12:16<S3v3N>lupine_85: i'll explain you my problem maybe you could help me
12:16<lupine_85>you already explained it
12:16<S3v3N>but do you know the solution?
12:16<lupine_85>if it's not the hardware, i don't know
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12:16<S3v3N>it is in the configuration
12:17<lupine_85>you should be picking up a dhcp lease, correct?
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12:17<S3v3N>yes look because on my computer wheres windows xp and at properties @ TCP/ip DHCP is enabled but on network card
12:17<S3v3N>i think i need to enable it on debian too so it will work but i dont know how
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12:18<lupine_85>iface eth0 inet auto
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12:18<lupine_85>in /etc/network/interfaces
12:18<lupine_85>also auto eth0)
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12:21<S3v3N>i wrote in interfaces iface eth0 inet auto
12:21<lupine_85>which is, you know, debian's Default Configuration(tm)
12:21<S3v3N>all other lines i just comment
12:21<S3v3N>so it will use only this one
12:21<S3v3N>we'll see
12:21<lupine_85>and exactly what dhclient <interface> does
12:21<S3v3N>kk wait im rebooting the computer sek
12:21<lupine_85>ifdown and ifup, much?
12:22<S3v3N>ifup: couldn't read interfaces lol
12:22<lupine_85>eh, s/auto/dhcp/
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12:23<S3v3N>cd s/auto/dhcp?
12:23<lupine_85>replace the word "auto" with "dhcp"
12:23<S3v3N>so look
12:23<S3v3N>my interfaces should look like that
12:24<S3v3N>iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:24<S3v3N>that's it?
12:24<S3v3N>other lines i comment for dns servers, address and that stuff?
12:24<lupine_85>preceded by auto eth0
12:24<lupine_85>and assuming that your primary ethernet interface is /called/ eth0, which it normally is
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12:24<lupine_85>(ifconfig -a will list them)
12:25<S3v3N>yes it is eth0
12:25<S3v3N>i checked
12:25<S3v3N>i rebooted the computer now
12:25<S3v3N>we'll see now
12:25<gnagsuaton>os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz @ 800MHz] mem[Physical : 1519MB, 91.4% free] disk[Total : 54.10GB, 43.50% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]] sound[]
12:25<lupine_85>why are you rebooting?
12:26<lupine_85>yes. why not just ifdown, followed by ifup ?
12:26<S3v3N>oh i could only unplug and plug the network cable
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12:27<S3v3N>ok now no fails but
12:27<S3v3N>i wrote now dhclient
12:27<S3v3N>let me see
12:28<lupine_85>no. you see. linux will now run dhclient for you, on an ifup event (including a boot up)
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12:28<S3v3N>No DHCPOFFERS received.
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12:28<lupine_85>couldn't see that coming a mile away
12:29<S3v3N>what can i do now lupine_85 ?
12:29<lupine_85>checked the hardware yet?
12:29<lupine_85>checked what the router/switch is receiving (and doing)?
12:30<S3v3N>how can i check what switch is receiving? impossible?
12:30<S3v3N>i have switch, with router would work 100%
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12:30<lupine_85>depends on the switch
12:30<Br01>hi all
12:31<Br01>i like to remove all gnome paquets
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12:32<drakode>quien conoce otro tipo de escritorio aparte de gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, blackbox?
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12:37<sheldonh>Br01: start up aptitude, select the Debtags browser through the menu system, nagivate to suite -> gnome and press minus (-) on gnome. then press g to go. WARNING: you may not like the results
12:38<lupine_85>"may" not like the results? :D
12:38<sheldonh>lupine_85: well if you really wanted everything tagged "suite::gnome", plus everything that depended on same, to vanish, then you'll love the results :)
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12:39<Br01>sheldonh i'm using kde now
12:39<Br01>and i like to remove gnome
12:39<Br01>kde it still workingg ?
12:40<sheldonh>Br01: the problem is, you may still have applications that rely on parts of gnome (like firefox/iceweasel)
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12:40<sheldonh>Br01: first, try "aptitude remove gnome" and see what that would blow away
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12:40<lupine_85>beggar all, if it wasn't installed with aptitude
12:41<sheldonh>lupine_85: apt-get users get what they deserve :)
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12:41[~]lupine_85 is a rabid apt-get user
12:41<sheldonh>lupine_85: the etch installer seems to do a good job with automatics
12:41<sasha>does anybody know witch package is shipped with the file
12:41<sheldonh>lupine_85: do you feel you get what you deserve? :)
12:41<Onepamopa>sasha, well, apt-cache search xlc
12:42<Onepamopa>and see what'll happen :>
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12:43<lupine_85>apt-file search
12:43<Onepamopa>lupine_85, apt rulz :>
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12:44<sheldonh>oh, to all the english rugby fans... nanananaaana!
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12:45<Br01>sheldonh after aptitude remove gnome , i try what ?
12:45<sheldonh>Br01: well did that remove as much as you were hoping it would?
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12:46<Br01>nothing are removed
12:46<Br01>i'm using kde now
12:46<Br01>and application of gnome still on it
12:47<sheldonh>Br01: what does "application of gnome still on it" mean?
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12:48<Br01>like gnome bittorent, system tools
12:49<george>did you install those using aptitude
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12:49<george>this is etch?
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12:50<Br01>yes george
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12:51<george>so apt-get in etch doesn't have the feature of keeping track what was installed by user and what was installed as dependency
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12:51<HarDGuN>hey anybody there ?
12:51<Br01>so what can i do ,,??
12:51<george>anybody where?
12:53<HarDGuN>guys, im wondering when i run apt-get update i have to ping sources first b4 running apt and the same happens with any program uses internet
12:53<sheldonh>Br01: easiest will be to live with it. there's no easy way to do it safely and cleanly. you'll almost certainly have other apps that depend on parts of the gnome suite
12:53<HarDGuN>how can i work this out ?
12:53<Br01>ok sheldonh
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12:54<HarDGuN>guys can anybody answer me ?
12:56<sasha>hi , debian testing is now shipped with , i need the version 3 for a proggram how can i get it ?
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12:58<george>sasha: rebuild the program so it uses the lib you have
12:59<sasha>george : trying ... thanks
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13:03<george>sasha: lib versions have to stay the same so that other programs that use the libs can still work
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13:04<george>sasha: so for example if you try to use a different version of glibc, you'll make most of your system useless
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13:05<abrotman>sasha: something you could try is to symlink to
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13:05<Onepamopa>lupine_85, how do I upgrade to kde 3.5.8 without removing all that I have done ?
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13:08<luciano_uisk>i am trying to mount a floppy disk, but it isnt any /dev/floppy, or a /dev/fd0 in my debian etch distro
13:09<luciano_uisk>there is a folder called fd, an inside it there is some numbers
13:09<luciano_uisk>how can i know wich of these is my floppy device?
13:09<george>what's the first one
13:09<luciano_uisk>do i have to make it?
13:09<george>look at output of dmesg
13:09<abrotman>is the 'floppy' module loaded ?
13:10<luciano_uisk>there is 0,1,2, 255 and 3
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13:11<luciano_uisk>no, ..
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13:11<luciano_uisk>how do i load it?
13:11<luciano_uisk>modprobe floppy?
13:11<george>try modprobe floppy
13:11<luciano_uisk>well, the module is on, now, ..
13:12<luciano_uisk>do i have to put it into /etc/modules?
13:12<Onepamopa>george, did you know how to upgrade from kde 3.5.7 to 3.5.8 without loosing anything I have done ?
13:12<luciano_uisk>ah, and now it is a /dev/fd0, thanks, ..
13:13<george>Onepamopa: is that available as debian packages?
13:13<Onepamopa>well, I'll check
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13:13<george>was 3.5.7 installed from debian packages?
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13:14<luciano_uisk>where do i have to put the floppy module so it is loaded in boot?
13:14<luciano_uisk>into /etc/modules?
13:14<luciano_uisk>it is empty, ..
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13:14<george>try running modconf
13:15<george>and remove the floppy module first
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13:15<Onepamopa>george, yep 3.5.7 was
13:15<luciano_uisk>ok, ..
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13:15<george>if you have a floppy mounted now, you might have to unmount it first
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13:16<luciano_uisk>ok, but this command, "modconf", the system isnt finding, ..
13:16<george>try apt-get install modconf
13:16<luciano_uisk>is there any other name to it?
13:17<luciano_uisk>ok, is installing it, ..
13:17<luciano_uisk>other issue:
13:17<Onepamopa>george, so, 3.5.8 isnt ready ?
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13:17<luciano_uisk>is there any graphical frontend for gdb into gnome?
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13:18<luciano_uisk>i tried kdbg, but it fails sometimes, and i dont know why, ..
13:18<luciano_uisk>but since it is developed with kde libs, i tought it may be it, ...
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13:19<george>you could try emacs
13:19<george>you could try ddd
13:19<sasha>hi , i ve yet ported / install a lot of packaged that are not in the debian repositories (some of them are unde research i saw) how can i manage to help de debians developers to put them in unstable
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13:20<luciano_uisk>ok, thanks
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13:20<luciano_uisk>and other issue:
13:21<luciano_uisk>how can i set wich screensaver do i cue
13:21<luciano_uisk>use, ..
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13:21<luciano_uisk>i wanted to use xscreensaver, instead the gnome one, ..
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13:23<Onepamopa>george, so I have to wait untill they put kde-upgrade to the mirrors ?
13:24<nd>! tell abbelsaft about test
13:24<george>if you do't wait, then you have to install it from not-debian-packages
13:24<george>if you do that, how would you upgrade later
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13:29<abbelsaft>spricht hier jemand deutsch?
13:29|-|danok changed nick to corneta
13:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:33<grummund>How much space would a debian mirror require for i386 only, so cd/dvd images, no source debs?
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13:33<Myon>4.7GB/DVD, do the math
13:34<sobersabre>I have 2 debian machines, client and server.
13:34<sobersabre>of nfs service.
13:34<sobersabre>the server barely gets tickled,
13:34<sobersabre>but the client gets stuck,
13:34<george>enteritis :)
13:35<sobersabre>if I load the client a bit on the IO side.
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13:35<sobersabre>(the disk)
13:35<dli_>grummund, nowadays, just by 3+ 500GB+ disks to do raid5, nothing to worry about size
13:35<sobersabre>george, gastroenteritis :)
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13:35<george>hmm, a -bad- case of enteritis :)
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13:36<sobersabre>grummund, even go for 4 disks, or even 8, more redundance, more performance..
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13:37<grummund>guess nobody knows then ;)
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13:38<abbelsaft>good evening
13:38<sobersabre>grummund, I only came in. what was the question ?
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13:40<luciano_uisk>i'm leaving
13:40<luciano_uisk>thanks for all
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13:40<george>what did you mean by "so cd/dvd images"
13:40<dli_>grummund, do the math, 3 DVDs for debian, so, binary+CD+DVD ~about 3DVDs x 3, 45GB at most
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13:44<grummund>sobersabre: i only asked How much space would a debian mirror require for i386 only, no cd/dvd images, no source debs?
13:45<sobersabre>this is 1. public info, there's section in apt howto about it.
13:45<sobersabre>2. can be deduced by calculating how much space does a full Debian distribution takes.
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13:45<sobersabre>hmm does take.
13:45<abrotman>!dstats lenny
13:45<grummund>sobersabre: if you know, could you point me to it? i am looking at
13:45<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 20624 packages, 1849 maintainers, 49738 MB installed size, 17391 MB compressed size.
13:46<george>grummund: ahh. so "so cd/dvd images" was a typo
13:46<grummund>sorry.... *no* cd/dvd images
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13:46<lupine_85>50GB installed? not bad :D
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13:47<grummund>in other words, as per the advice here:
13:47<george>you might not be able to put all that on there either... some pakages conflict with others
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13:48<grummund>george: um, i mean the space required for a mirror, minus the above.
13:48<george>yes I see that now :)
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13:54<plokko>where i can download(without apt-get)OpenVz precompiled kernel for debian?
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13:55<ben_goodger>hello everyone
13:55<Eulex>plokko, there is no such in debian, however, there is a kernel patch.
13:55<plokko>i have the link but i don't know how to download it because i have internet only on windows
13:56<trekker>im french and im looking for a girlf to speak
13:56<plokko>what is the best way?
13:56<george>trekker: /msg dpkg ask
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13:57<trekker>what george ???
13:57<ben_goodger>I've just switched to an NFS-mounted home directory and now gksu, the GIMP, iceweasel, and f-spot (at least) aren't loading properly
13:57<Onepamopa>trekker, you're looking for what ?
13:57<trekker>hi onepamopa
13:57<Eulex>plokko, downlod the packages you need from there, dpkg -i them.
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13:57<trekker>just say with you
13:57<plokko>i see 3 folders
13:57<plokko>l o and v
13:57<ben_goodger>the GIMP takes ages to load the file in question, iceweasel takes about five minutes to load, and gksu/f-spot just sit there
13:57<Eulex>go into them. duh.
13:57<Onepamopa>trekker, my english is bad.. but yours ... twice bad
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13:58<plokko>...go into what?
13:58<plokko>what i need to download?
13:58<Eulex>the right kernel package.
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13:59<plokko>...ah ok first folder are kernel patches
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13:59<Eulex>what you find is an index of directories, each containing package directories for every package beginning with a certain letter.
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13:59<Eulex>plokko, o contains packages beginning with an 'o'.
13:59<plokko>second folder are precompiled packages?
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14:00<plokko>if i use 8gb of ram with 2 to 8 processors for machine i should choos smp?
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14:01<Eulex>smp == dual core or multiprocessor.
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14:01<george>plokko: you might consider some sort of virtualization
14:01<george>like xen or vserver or something like that
14:01<plokko>and clustering
14:02<plokko>failover active/active
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14:02<plokko>16 processors with 16gb of ram in total
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14:03<plokko>so now i only need to run #apt-get install kernel-image-openvz.deb ????
14:03<HarDGuN>heeey guys can i get help ?
14:03<Eulex>plokko, no.
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14:03<plokko>what i must do so???
14:03<plokko>simply run it?
14:03<Eulex>plokko, apt-get operates on package _names_. what you need to install a package _file_ is dpkg -i.
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14:04<plokko>so #dpkg -i ovzkernel.deb ?
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14:05<Eulex>but with the exact file name; that one isn't it.
14:05<plokko>i know
14:05<plokko>shorter XD
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14:05<plokko>debian 4ever!
14:06<plokko>(and thanks!)
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14:06<HarDGuN>in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases i made this alias net-pf-10 off
14:06<HarDGuN>and i still stuck with ipv6
14:06<HarDGuN>wat do i do to get red of this ipv6
14:07<HarDGuN>cuz almost the programs associated with internet doesn't work cuz of this
14:07<HarDGuN>somebody help me plz !!
14:08<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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14:14<sobersabre>HarDGuN, a more elegant solution that won't pollute your syslog is to make changes in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
14:14<sobersabre>there's lines related ipv6
14:14<sobersabre>make them "off"
14:14<sobersabre>and in the end add:
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14:15<sobersabre>alias ipv6 off
14:15<sobersabre>and this too:alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off
14:15<sobersabre>I am sorry it should be:
14:15<sobersabre>alias net-pf-10 off
14:15<sobersabre>ok ?
14:16<HarDGuN>lines like wat ?
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14:18<HarDGuN>sobersabre in wat lines i make them off ?
14:18<george>HarDGuN: go look at the file and see
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14:18<HarDGuN>i did
14:18<george>so he just said which lines
14:18<HarDGuN>i know there is lines
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14:19<HarDGuN>but im asking about the ones i must make them off
14:19<george>so he just said which lines
14:19<patricknev>hey is there any dock that works with ubuntu if you cannot use compiz/xgl?
14:19<george>look at the file and find those lines
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14:20<HarDGuN>i wanna know wat lines in aliases file to change
14:20<george>so he just said which lines
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14:20<HarDGuN>only one line that contain ipv6
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14:20<HarDGuN>alias net-pf-10 ipv6
14:20<george>please show that lihne
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14:20<HarDGuN>alias net-pf-10 ipv6
14:21<george>ok, change that so it reads: alias net-pf-10 off
14:21<HarDGuN>i did
14:21<HarDGuN>then i asved the file and rebooted
14:21<cahoot>HarDGuN, did you reboot or rmmod ipv6 after editing?
14:21<HarDGuN>then guess wat
14:21<HarDGuN>nothing changed
14:22<HarDGuN>i did reboot
14:22<george>why does ipv6 hurt again?
14:22<HarDGuN>but i didn't rmmod ipv6 after editting
14:22<HarDGuN>dun know i changed the line and rebooted and nothing happened
14:23<HarDGuN>omg i wanna get this solved it's like a hammer in my little head
14:23<lupine_85>just blacklist the ipv6 module
14:23<HarDGuN>or wat to write in bl file
14:24<HarDGuN>i write blacklist ipv6 or wat ?>
14:24<george>read how blacklisting works
14:24<HarDGuN>i know
14:24<lupine_85>"blacklist ipv6"
14:24<HarDGuN>in baraktes ?
14:24<george>are there other blacklist items in that file?
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14:25<lupine_85>debian comes with a bunch by default
14:25<HarDGuN>like this
14:25<HarDGuN>blacklist acquirewdt
14:25<george>look to them as examples
14:25<HarDGuN>no ""
14:25<HarDGuN>i c
14:25<HarDGuN>that's why im asking
14:25<HarDGuN>k i try this
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14:25<george>and that's why I'm showing you how to make good guesses based on what you see
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14:35<HarDGuN>heeeey im back
14:35<HarDGuN>i made this in blacklist file
14:35<HarDGuN>blacklist ipv6
14:35<HarDGuN>and rebooted but nouse !!
14:36<HarDGuN>so wat'snext ?
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14:37<HarDGuN>u know guys to make xchat works fine i first in the terminal pings
14:37<HarDGuN>tell me wat to do
14:37<lupine_85>is the ipv6 module loaded? (lsmod |grep ipv6)
14:37<patricknev>hi, is there a dock for ubuntu that works without compiz/xgl
14:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
14:37<sobersabre>there's one site
14:38<HarDGuN>lsmod |grep ipv6 this commaned retrned nothing
14:38<HarDGuN>wat is this suppoesed to mean ?
14:38<patricknev>oh shoot i thought i was in ubuntu! thanks
14:38<sobersabre>HarDGuN, you better put into that site the string: "disabling ipv6 on debian"
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14:38<HarDGuN>i did
14:38<HarDGuN>the topics told me as u guys
14:38<HarDGuN>but i did and nouse
14:38<sobersabre>HarDGuN, so how have you concluded that you still have ipv6 ?
14:39<HarDGuN>i ran lsmod |grep ipv6
14:39<HarDGuN>and it returned nothing
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14:39<Eulex>HarDGuN, if that command returns nothing, you do not have the ipv6 module loaded.
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14:39<lupine_85>great success!
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14:39<sobersabre>HarDGuN, how have you concluded all your life's problems reside in ipv6 module ?
14:39<Eulex>lupine_85, high five!
14:40<HarDGuN>so why guy i must ping in terminal b4 i run apt-get update
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14:40<HarDGuN>guys u don't get it
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14:40<sobersabre>HarDGuN, wtf are you talking about...
14:40<lupine_85>your DNS sounds vaguely broken
14:40<lupine_85>and your /nick sounds vaguely familiar
14:41<HarDGuN>now b4 i can run and make him connect i must ping in terminal
14:41<HarDGuN>u got this ?
14:41<HarDGuN>if i didn't ping i can't connect
14:41<Eulex>yes, and he thinks that your dns is a bit broken, as do I.
14:41<Eulex>HarDGuN, the ping and nslookup commands might be helpful.
14:42<HarDGuN>is this will fix the problem
14:42<Eulex>it will help diagnose the problem.
14:42<HarDGuN>i already did
14:42<HarDGuN>when i ping i can connect
14:42<HarDGuN>but no ping no connect
14:42<HarDGuN>wat is this suppoesed to mean ?
14:42<HarDGuN>means that i have dns problem
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14:43<HarDGuN>or dns is broken
14:43<HarDGuN>okay but wat im suppoesed to do to work this out
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14:43<HarDGuN>i need help !!
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14:44<lupine_85>given that GUI and console apps use exactly the same resolving technology, I'd be inclined to pass the blame to the DNS server
14:45<HarDGuN>okay look
14:45[~]lupine_85 glues his eyes to the screen
14:45<HarDGuN>now when i wrote this commaned <lsmod |grep ipv6 > i got nothing
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14:45<HarDGuN>is this means that ip4 not loaded
14:45<Eulex>HarDGuN, does it work if you try to connect twice to instead of pinging it once and then connecting to it means?
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14:45<lupine_85>no. it means that ipv6 is not loaded
14:46<HarDGuN>i doesn't work if i ertried forever
14:46<HarDGuN>i must ping
14:46<cahoot>some firewall making trouble?
14:46<HarDGuN>and when i wrote this commaned <lsmod |grep ipv4 > i got nothing
14:47<lupine_85>seems unlikely
14:47<Eulex>lupine_85, there's no difference in how dns stuff is resolved for icmp and other protocols, right?
14:47<HarDGuN>so igot ipv6 and ipv4 not loaded
14:47<Eulex>HarDGuN, there is no ipv4 module.
14:47<lupine_85>ipv4 is generally compiled into the kernel
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14:47<lupine_85>you don't have ipv6 loaded
14:48<HarDGuN>but ipv4 already exits
14:48<HarDGuN>im rly bored from this problem
14:48<Eulex>HarDGuN, if you didn't have ipv4 support, _nothing_ would work, not even after pinging the domain name.
14:48<HarDGuN>aa i know im just wondering if it's all alright
14:48<HarDGuN>wat's wrong ?
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14:49<lupine_85>tried a different dns server?
14:49<Eulex>we do not know, and you might want to try to do some work yourself to diagnose it.
14:49<HarDGuN>like ?
14:49<HarDGuN>diff dns like ?
14:49<Eulex>, for example
14:50<lupine_85>does still work?
14:50<HarDGuN>i check
14:50<Eulex>lupine_85, replies to ping here, at least
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14:53<HarDGuN>iand nameserver
14:54<HarDGuN>i think nothing happen if i changed it !!
14:54<Eulex>'think' is not enough.
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14:54<HarDGuN>i believe
14:54<Eulex>y'know, not trying our suggestions doesn't help you.
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14:55<HarDGuN>i try urs
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15:01<HarDGuN>is host name maybe the problem ?>
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15:05<sasha>hi , i would like to instal libcurl3-dev/testing but it need an older version from the libcurl3-openssl-dev (= 7.15.5-1etch1) but 7.17.0-1 is to be installed, how can i force the installation
15:05<sheldonh>how about that. i'd never heard of opendns before
15:06<lupine_85>sasha: "apt-get install <package>=<version>" ?
15:07<sasha>lupine , you mean apt-get install libcurl3-dev libcurl-openssl-dev=7.15.5-letch1
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15:08<sasha>Version '7.15.5-letch1' for 'libcurl3-openssl-dev' was not found , i think this is a bug in debian
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15:10<chealer>sasha: there's no package called libcurl3-dev in testing.
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15:12<sasha>i tough it was testing cause my pinning rules are testing/unstable/stable but whatever happens there is a bug cause it is not possible to install libcurl3-dev cause of unmet dependencies
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15:14<sasha>how can i report a bug ?
15:15<sheldonh>sasha: see the "Support" section in the sidebar at
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15:15<JasonS>!tell sasha about bts
15:16<chealer>sasha: or rather, only a virtual package.
15:17<fsateler>is there a way to push only a subset of the project in git?
15:17<lupine_85>if it's a virtual package, install whatever Provides: it. Namely, libcurl4-openssl-dev
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15:18<lupine_85>strange how they're not keeping libcurl3 around too
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15:20<sheldonh>lupine_85: maybe it's broken by design :)
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15:21<lupine_85>or maybe there's no binary incompatibility... but if that's the case, why a major point release?
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15:21<lupine_85>ah well, it's not a bug anyway
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15:22<EmleyMoor>I seem to have no plugin available on my laptop for playing DVDs with either totem or xine. Am I likely missing a package or is there a setting I need to make?
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15:23<dpkg>well, dvd is use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. see <dvd playback troubleshooting>
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15:24<chealer>EmleyMoor: what's the symptom? you're likely missing libdvdcss.
15:25<EmleyMoor>I am not missing libdvdcss...
15:25<EmleyMoor>Two xine engine errors:
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15:25<HarDGuN>hey im back
15:26<EmleyMoor>There is no demuxer plugin available to handle 'file:/usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo.mpv'. Usually this mans that the file format was not recognized.
15:26<EmleyMoor>... and then...
15:26<lupine_85>...that's not a DVD...
15:26<HarDGuN>i ran ifconfig and i got this
15:26<lupine_85>DVDs are circular discs of plastic and metal
15:26<HarDGuN>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:41:22:4C:88
15:26<HarDGuN> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
15:26<HarDGuN> RX packets:677 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
15:26<HarDGuN> TX packets:689 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
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15:26<EmleyMoor>Yes, but...
15:26<EmleyMoor>Likewise for dvd:/
15:26<lupine_85>no, but
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15:27<EmleyMoor>I am getting a likewise error for dvd:/
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15:27<lupine_85>problems with libxine or the totem plugin that uses xine?
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15:28<HarDGuN>is my network problem go anything to do with TCI
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15:29<chealer>EmleyMoor: is libdvdread installed?
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15:29<HarDGuN>im i have to do any configuration in this file " /etc/sysctl.conf "?
15:29<EmleyMoor>chealer: Yes
15:29<grummund>Hi, any rsync experts here please? can you help with a permissions problem?-
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15:30<EmleyMoor>Ah, there were no plugins it seems - have installed the plugins metapackage and it's sorted
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15:33<zombi>I have an atheros based wifi nic. I need to be able to install via cd then compile the madwifi drivers.. I don't have a very fast connection, what would be the easiest way to do this?
15:34<zombi>I'm guessing there is not enough on the net-install to do a base install? But I don't want to download all the cds :|
15:34<chealer>zombi: there's enough
15:34<joePAIN>cant you use a none wifi nic for the netinstall. then config the wifi adapter after?
15:35<zombi>chealer Ok.. so I can do a minimal net install that will get me into a position where i can think about compiling madwifi?
15:35<sep>zombi, yes
15:35<zombi>joePAIN Unfortunatly I'm a long way from the router and have no cable atm.
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15:36<chealer>zombi: yes (you'll still need madwifi's source or a prebuilt module)
15:36<wursthupe>spielt einer cs1.6 von euch?
15:36<chealer>grummund: doesn't look like an rsync problem. are you sure you can modify debian-cd/ ?
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15:37<chealer>!tell wursthupe about de
15:37<zombi>Where would I go about downloading the individual packages?
15:37<chealer>zombi: for madwifi?
15:37<wursthupe>oh thx chealer ;)
15:37<zombi>Well yes, but I was thinking more about official debian packages for it.
15:37<zombi>I believe there is a madwifi-source package?
15:38<grummund>chealer: i believe so, yes -
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15:39<chealer>zombi: yes, there's also madwifi-tools, which seems to be all you need.
15:40<zombi>etch is stable now right?
15:40<zombi>(its been a while) :P
15:40<mxey>zombi: yes.
15:41<chealer>grummund: touch isn't a "real" modification.
15:41<grummund>zombi: you can build from madwifi-source package, but it's also easy enough to build from the madwifi svn sources ( that's what i do)
15:41<zombi>will madwifi-source have many dependencies?
15:42<grummund>chealer: what do you suggets? i was assuming that rsync wanted to modify the directory date... (?)
15:42<chealer>zombi: no
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15:42<grummund>um, well you need gcc and some build tools installed ;)
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15:43<zombi>woo, ill be back in a moment :D
15:43<chealer>grummund: for example, try to modify permissions.
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15:44<grummund>chealer: hmmm, chmod: changing permissions of `debian-cd/': Operation not permitted
15:44<grummund>i cannot see why not
15:45<lupine_85>is it a CD?
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15:45<lupine_85>phew :)
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16:15<zombi>Hello again
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16:15<zombi>I got a base system installed, it now seems when typing I either get key-repeats or it doesn't type the letter at all.
16:15<zombi>Keyboard is working fine though.
16:15<zombi>Anyone know what might be the cause?
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16:37<necro>So it seems my audio completely quit working.. any ideas on what would cause this?
16:38<mxey>necro: No details, please. They might actually be helpful.
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16:41<necro>t first I thought it was just my speakers, or that it was muted. so I booted up in gnome to change the volume, but recieved an error saying that I either didn't have the right Gstreamer plugins or that my audio card wasn't configured
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16:43<zombi>Anyone know what might cause key-repeats and key misses?
16:43<zombi>Just done a base install, keyboard works fine in windows, but often repeats or misses letters at the console.
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16:59<schlurchz>Hi folks. Is there a GUI to suspend my box from within gnome?
16:59<schlurchz>(this is *not* a laptop.)
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17:00<mxey>schlurchz: You need a button for hibernate/s2disk?
17:00<schlurchz>You know, I can do it from the command line. But a GUI would be nice.
17:00<mxey>Add yourself a menu entry?
17:00<dli_>schlurchz, gnome-power-manager
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17:01<schlurchz>There's no standard utility? gnome-power-manager is installed, but I don't see how it can do this.
17:01<schlurchz>(it's run with my session, yes)
17:02<schlurchz>Ubuntu has it in the menu, I like that.
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17:04<schlurchz>The gnome-power-manager README says you should add yourself to the powerdev group. Did that, enabled gnome-power-session in the gnome session, but what now?
17:04<necro>is there a one line command for reinstalling my sounddrivers?
17:05<schlurchz>... shouldn't it show up somewhere?
17:06<mxey>necro: Your sound drivers are likely modules in the default kernel, try alsaconf.
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17:10<necro>sound still won't work =/
17:10<necro>it doesn't make sense, it was working fine yesterday
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17:22<wowzer>hello all. Somehow when I installed debian, I got the GUI. All I want is the linux cli. How do I remove the various GUI? Is there a simple way? dpkg -l shows gnome, openoffice, xserver all installed. Thanks.
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17:30<Frmjr>For some reason I can't get Iceweasel to load properly - it shows up in my processes, but I never see it's GUI. I think it might be from a plugin, but I'm not sure.
17:30<Frmjr>Is there a --command to load it without plugins from console?
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17:30<Frmjr>its gui* rather
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17:46<blarson>wowzer: Just disable or remove whatever window manager you have, probably gdm.
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17:50<HarDGuN>heey anybody there ?
17:51<HarDGuN>anybody can help ?
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17:52<HarDGuN>wat is this suppoeded to mean once i opened the xchat and i tried to conect this thig happened
17:52<HarDGuN> Looking up
17:52<HarDGuN>* Connecting to ( port 6667...
17:53<HarDGuN>and after i pinged the irc server in the terminal this thing happened
17:53<HarDGuN>Looking up
17:53<HarDGuN>* Connecting to ( port 6667...
17:53<HarDGuN>* Connected. Now logging in...
17:53<HarDGuN>can anybody tell me where is the problem ?
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18:01<HarDGuN> wat is this suppoeded to mean once i opened the xchat and i tried to conect this thig happened
18:01<HarDGuN><HarDGuN> Looking up
18:01<HarDGuN><HarDGuN> * Connecting to ( port 6667...
18:01<HarDGuN><HarDGuN> and after i pinged the irc server in the terminal this thing happened
18:01<HarDGuN><HarDGuN> Looking up
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18:03<TryForce|Tweak>hi all. I just burned 2 netinstall CDs and they both just lock up after it shows the press f1 for help
18:03<TryForce|Tweak>or enter to boot. Is there any reason it would do that?
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18:06<tweak>my keyboard is USB... that is all I can think, but it does it with the keyboard plugged in or not.
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18:08<jagerman>How do you know it locks up?
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18:09<tweak>Well I would guess that the _ after press f1 for help, or enter to boot: should be blinking.
18:11[~]jagerman doesn't recall whether it should or not
18:11<tweak>maybe .... it just doesnt like my usb keyboard? I cant even hit numblock and turn the numblock light on and off...
18:12<lupine_85>usb hid support needs to be enabled in the bios
18:12<tweak>I think it is but let me check when I boot up it says detected usb keyboard and hub (Becuase there is a hub in the keyboard)
18:13<tweak>and when I plug it into the computer once linux is running it works.. I just want to start fresh with the new debian.
18:13<tweak>so I can get my wireless card working.
18:14<lupine_85>usb<->ps/2 converter would be a quick fix. it is a bios, rather than debian, "problem" though
18:14<tweak>legacy keyboard detected usb it syas.
18:14<tweak>ok I am in the bios let me look around.
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18:15<tweak>ok I am in bios I have legacy usb support right now it is disabled should I Set it to keyboard only auto or keyboard and mouse?
18:15<jagerman>kbd only ought to be enough
18:15<tweak>I think I Will do auto cause my wireless card is usb also unless leacy support only means keyboard and mice.
18:16<tweak>ok rebooting this stupid sun server takes for ever 2 restart :\
18:16<jagerman>It does.
18:16<tweak>heeeyyy it works now
18:16<tweak>thank you very much.
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18:17<tweak>no more messing with my old ...sarge install ..... or wait.. ... this netinstall might be sarge.. ahhh
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18:28<Aleric>I have a directory with filenames containing spaces. If I do 'ls', I get the files names - one per line. How can I pass the name of each file that is output by some ls command as argument to some application?
18:28<petemc>|while read ; do foo "$REPLY" ; done
18:29<klys>echo `ls`
18:29<Aleric>petemc: I need to pass them all at once.
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18:29<grummund>Aleric: man xargs
18:29<Aleric>The file names also contain the character ' and & I see.
18:30<themill>Aleric: you're probably asking the question the wrong way... perhaps try find not ls and use xargs or the -exec option to find.
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18:30<Aleric>grummund: The file names contain spaces, single quotes and ampersands... what part of xargs will help me?
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18:30<themill>Aleric: every part of xargs will help you ;) look at the -0 option. (that's zero not the letter o)
18:30<Aleric>Hmm, find might be more suitable indeed.
18:31<grummund>Aleric: if the filenames contain spaces you *definitely* want to read the link themill posted
18:31<themill>Aleric: find (options) -print0 | xargs -0 what_you_want_to_do
18:31<grummund>yes, exactly that.
18:31<Aleric>themill: Thanks, kewl
18:31<themill>Aleric: but think about posing your problem in a different way.... quoting is hard to do right
18:32<themill>Aleric: you can also ask on #bash on freenode, but they'll tell you the same things but somewhat less politely ;)
18:33<grummund>you need a thick skin to go there
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18:37<Aleric>hikaru:/opt/mp3>find Leandro -type f -name '*.mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 alsaplayer -s today -E
18:38<Aleric>:) Works perfectly :)
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18:38<kop_>What's the right way to do SASL with postfix on etch, without using pam or mysql, just having a stand-alone password database.
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18:41<kop_>And another question. I'm on a dial-up link and running bind9 as a local caching dns server. I can dig just fine. But when I do "ntpdate" it tells me the server does not exist, and if I do another dig then, whatdyaknow, the name does not resolve. What's going on?
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18:41<BBHoss>is this the same channel as freenode?
18:42<Aleric>no, this is OFTC
18:42<BBHoss>can someone help me setup BIND here? I've been trying for the past few days amd can't seem to get it
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18:42<kop_>!tell BBHoss -about ask
18:43<BBHoss>i can't get it to accept connections, when i try to do a lookup using it as the server (using it always times out
18:43<BBHoss>hosts file -
18:44<kop_>BBHoss: Can you do a dig @localhost while logged into the box?
18:44<BBHoss>named -
18:44<Aleric>kop_: doesn't seem to exist.
18:44<BBHoss>lemme doube check
18:44<kop_>BBHoss: Is it running when you do a ps ax?
18:45<kop_>Aleric: Same thing happens if I use ntp1 or ntp2.
18:45<BBHoss>yes its running
18:45<BBHoss>ive tried reloading, restarting etc too
18:45<kop_>BBHoss: What does /var/log/daemon say?
18:45<Aleric>kop_: Try to do it with
18:45<BBHoss>can i paste 1-2 lines here?
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18:45<Aleric>I bet you get the same behaviour: it simply doesn't exist.
18:46<BBHoss>Oct 21 23:44:53 www named[1902]: ns_resp: query( contains our address ( learnt (A=
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18:46<kop_>Aleric: How does named know the host does not exist, when it has already resolved it?
18:46<BBHoss>in the hosts file it IP is 555s because i sanitized it
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18:47<Aleric>If you can resolve it, it exists... if you managed to get it to resolve it (how?) and now it doesn't exist anymore, then it's cached.
18:48<kop_>Aleric: It resolves. Until I do a ntpdate. Every time. Then it comes back after the negative ttl times out. (I think that's when it will come back.)
18:48<kop_>Aleric: It resolves when I query my ISPs nameservers.
18:48<Aleric>It doesn't resolve here.
18:49<Aleric>Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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18:49<Patricio>hey running 2.6.22 and my wireless card will no longer pickup the dhcp from my router......the device does not recognize at boot and once I get to a terminal, I must do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid blah', for it to actually execute, but then it never finds the dhcpoffer from my router......any idears?
18:49<BBHoss>also, when i try to use DNS from a different box, it always times out
18:49<BBHoss>i just used nmap to check the port too, 53 is open
18:50<BBHoss>try dhclient wlan0
18:50<BBHoss>as root (or sudoed)
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18:50<BBHoss>see if it finds it then
18:50<kop_>Aleric: Allright. I'm willing to let the mystery go. (My nameserver perhaps resolves it because it forwards to my isp's nameserver.) So, what's the right names to use for ntp?
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18:50<Aleric>kop_: maybe they are moving it - it recently changed. You dig uses another nameserver maybe (?). I can't resolve it with the nameserver that I use. Maybe you still can because you use one that has it cached. However, if you run ntpdate, it uses a more authoritive server which tells your bind that is doesn't exist, which it then caches for some time.
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18:51<grummund>kop_: when you say can dig just fine. - can you pastbin the output of dig?
18:51<Patricio>BBHoss: it did not find the offer......
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18:51<BBHoss>does static work?
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18:51<kop_>BBHoss: I'm afraid I'm on dialup and on a time limit and can't help. The thing to do is start with a known working config (as initially installed) and incrementally add until it works. (Unless you can get somebody else to look at your pastebin.) Sorry.
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18:52[~]Aleric remembers the time when he paid $600 per month on phone bills for internet... at a speed of 28k8
18:53<BBHoss>kop_ any ideas why I can't get it to respond to an external request either?
18:53<BBHoss>ok i understand, thanks
18:54<grummund>kop_: that's bizarre
18:54<kop_>BBHoss: There's a listen directive in the /etc/bind9/*.options file that says what interfaces to listen on. By default it's localhost. (IIRC)
18:54<themill>BBHoss: is it actually listening on the interfaces? netstat -anup|grep 53
18:55<themill>kop_: snap ;)
18:55<BBHoss>nope lemme check that
18:55<BBHoss>yeah it looks to be
18:55<grummund>kop_: i can onlt suggest try dig +trace ...
18:55<BBHoss>i ran the command on my home pc :)
18:56<kop_>grummund: themill gave me the right name to use, so I'm going to give up and get stuff done that needs doing. Sorry.
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18:56<janux-xmind>hi guys
18:56<BBHoss>what version am i supposed to be running? nmap says its version 8.4.7, but i thought version 9?
18:56<BBHoss>or are they two branches?
18:56<janux-xmind>how do i mount my ntfs partition
18:57<gsimmons>!tell janux-xmind -about ntfs
18:57<BBHoss>heh, that could be a problem too
18:57<kop_>What's the right timeout (-t for ntpdate) to use over a dialup link?
18:57<kop_>BBHoss: Etch has both (IIRC) (or maybe sarge...)
18:58<themill>BBHoss: apt-cache policy bind bind9
18:58<BBHoss>yeah im on etc
18:58<themill>etch has both
18:58<BBHoss>but bind9 is probably the best choice, right?
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18:58<themill>bind8 is gone for lenny
18:58<kop_>BBHoss: May as well start with the latest if you're just starting.
18:59<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
18:59<janux-xmind>i don't understand gsimmons
18:59<BBHoss>that may be the problem, shitass webmin probably is designed with 9 in mind
18:59<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
18:59<gsimmons>janux-xmind: ^^^^^
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18:59<janux-xmind>how do i mount my ntfs partition
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19:01<janux-xmind>can someone help me to mount my ntfs partition
19:02<kop_>Anybody have recommendations for setting up SASL with postfix on etch? With just a stand-alone password db? (A recommended howto?) The docs package does not say mutch other than it requires extra work....
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19:03<kop_>janux-xmind: You'd want to read the reference manual at (mount -t ntfs /dev/yourpartition /mnt) would do it but you need to add stuff into /etc/fstab to make it "easy" and "automatic".
19:03<jagerman>janux-xmind: If you want to write to it, see the ntfs-3g package
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19:04<janux-xmind>someone told me that i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.20 or 22
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19:07<gsimmons>janux-xmind: If you need to write a NTFS filesystem using NTFS-3G, that's correct <>. But not necessary should you just need to read NTFS filesystems only.
19:07<tweak>my netinstall has grapihscs
19:07<tweak>since when does debian have a gui?
19:07<lupine_85>since forever
19:08<tweak>what?! by default?! I never booted into a gui before by default
19:09<tweak>I almost fell off my chair
19:09<lupine_85>um. sorry?
19:09<tweak>omg I ... have no clue what to do now..
19:09<tweak>Im in shock ...
19:10<tweak>oh ya get smp kernel ... :D
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19:10<janux-xmind>how can i upgrade my kernel
19:10<lupine_85>kernel is smp by default
19:10<tweak>it is?! omg
19:10<tweak>I have been out of the debian loop for soooo long
19:10<lupine_85>sit back and play some mahjongg
19:10<tweak>this is awesome
19:11<tweak><3 debian
19:12<kop_>Well, the right way to do sasl with postifx is to install the sasl2-bin package and read the directions. The postfix README.Debian would be improved if it mentioned this.
19:12<Patricio>hey running 2.6.22 and my wireless card will no longer pickup the dhcp from my router......the device does not recognize at boot and once I get to a terminal, I must do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid blah', for it to actually execute, but then it never finds the dhcpoffer from my router......any idears?
19:12<Patricio>I am still not having any luck with this
19:13<tweak>partricio are you using ndiswrapper?
19:13<Patricio>yes I am
19:13<tweak>May I ask what wireless card you are using?
19:14<Patricio>sure......ATI Radeon Mobility X1400
19:14<tweak>wow thats a wireless cark? didnt know ati made it. Have you checked the ndiswrapper wiki?
19:15<Patricio>sorry bout that....LOL
19:15<Patricio>Dell Laptop
19:15<janux-xmind>hey guys! i got a display shift with debian sid that even xvidtune cannot help me to fix
19:15<lupine_85>did you blacklist bcm43xx, if you're running the ndiswrapper stuff?
19:15<tweak>broadcom version?
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19:16<Patricio>not sure on version.....
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19:16<janux-xmind>does someone have the same prob
19:18<tweak>I am trying to get my smc usb card to work right now.
19:18<tweak>starting to get fun.
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19:27<gsimmons>Patricio: Have you built the ndiswrapper module for your 2.6.22 kernel? Does "ndiswrapper -l" state your driver as being installed?
19:27<Patricio>gsimmons: no it does not
19:28<Patricio>gsimmons: I think that is what I have done wrong......on that issue right now
19:33<Patricio>gsimmons: ok, now have built ndiswrapper for the 2.6.22 kernel......
19:35<tweak>gsimmons Do you know a way to show what hardware is plugged into the usb? I need to see if my usbid is for my usb wireless card.
19:35<gsimmons>tweak: Use lsusb.
19:36<tweak>thank you.
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19:39<gsimmons>tweak: What wireless card are you attempting to use, out of interest? The SMCWUSB-G EZ Connect?
19:39<tweak>Yes. :D
19:39<tweak>I have the accton technology corp. version
19:39<tweak>They seem to have very good sucess with it. So I hope to have the same. I am doing the install now. Just taking my time to do it right.
19:40<aaarrggh>anyone using wg111 + airsnort? :
19:40<tweak>I have a newer kernel and a newer version of ndiswrapper so I really hope for it to work.
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19:43<george>you have a chance of that if you learn how it is properly used and use it that wy
19:44<tweak>I have decided to install ndiswrapper from their website instead of apt-getting it.
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19:44<tweak>I hope that doesnt come back to bite me.
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19:46<tweak>sorry but could someone tell me how to make a link to my build like it says here.
19:46<tweak>"Make sure that /lib/modules/VERSION/build is a link to the kernel source, where VERSION is the version of the kernel you are running; this should be setup automatically by distribution package. If this path is not valid, kernel modules can’t be compiled."
19:46<gsimmons>tweak: Etch has v1.28 packaged. One report of your Accton-based card has success with ndiswrapper v1.24, so I don't think you'll run into difficulties.
19:47<tweak>I dont have a file called build. It doesnt exist in the 2.6.18-5-686 directory.
19:47<lupine_85>tweak: you need to install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686
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19:47<tweak>oh. Ok thank you. Sorry. I will do that now.
19:48<tweak>hmmm it wants me to put my CD in again.. I will have to reconfigure the apt-get huh.. :\
19:49<tweak>opps nevermind just pressed enter a few times and it went to the internet for the files. :D
19:49<tweak>ok apt-got it. Back to work I go. Thanks again.
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19:53<tweak>hmmm getting some errors doing make. Maybe I will just try to apt-get it.
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19:53<tweak>Should I get ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-source or ndiswrapper-utils?
19:54<kop_>which package is mmencode in?
19:55<lupine_85>mencoder? mplayer
19:55<kop_>lupine_85: No, it does base64 encoding.
19:55<lupine_85>oh, well, apt-file search will tell you
19:56<kop_>lupine_85: Duh. But then... Why does my system not have apt-file?
19:56<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
19:57<george>could it be... you haven't installed it yet? :)
19:57<lupine_85>couldn't be that
19:57<lupine_85>everyone knows that all 50GB of applications come installed by default
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19:58<kop_>apt-file does not find it or uuencode....
19:58<kop_>Do I need to do an aptitude update to make the index?
19:59<lupine_85>apt-file update
19:59<lupine_85>you, um, did read the manpage before you tried it out, right?
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20:01<tweak>ok, I did ndiswrapper-common and -utils now ndiswrapper -h works. :D Now I am going to load the recommended mac os x driver. O.o
20:02<lupine_85>whatg on earth...? xemacs21-bin ?
20:02<Patricio>hey another one......when I load a gl screensaver, it skips really bad.......I installed the fglrx driver for my card and was able to higher resolutions than before.......when I run a fglrxinfo - I get this "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"......and it says stuff about 'Mesa project'......??? any idears?
20:03<george>"says stuff"
20:03<Patricio>I can provide xorg.conf file if needed......
20:03<george>sounds specific to me
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20:03<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
20:03<dli_>Patricio, you have to "rmmod fglrx;modprobe fglrx" and restart x
20:04<Patricio>as root?
20:04<dli_>Patricio, if fglrx is not auto loaded at booting, add a line of "fglrx" to /etc/modules
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20:05<tweak>gsimmons - it doesnt specify what .sys file I should use. Would you think that xp, 2k, or 9x would be the best compatibility?
20:05<lupine_85>xp or 2k
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20:05<lupine_85>I would try the xp one first, as it's newest
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20:06<Patricio>dli_: tells me that the fglrx module does not exist......
20:06<gsimmons>tweak: I'm not that familar with ndiswrapper, but much of the documentation does refer to use of XP drivers with this software.
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20:07<Patricio>dli_: should I reboot after adding the line /etc/modules????
20:07<tweak>gsimmons - well I loaded the generic .inf file and it says driver present, hardware present. When I loaded the xp it said invalid. I'm going to try and run it without any .sys. Not sure if that will work.
20:07<tweak>gsimmons thank though. :D
20:07<lupine_85>eh, it should grab the .sys it wants automagically from the .inf
20:07<dli_>!tell Patricio about fglrx
20:08<Patricio>been there and done that
20:09<tweak>lupine_85 hmmm didnt seem to but Im going to try the 2k and 9x .sys
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20:11<tweak>lupine_85 do I need to do this depmod stuff or can I go strait to configure interface?
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20:14<tweak>lupine_85 you are correct it took the xp automatically.
20:14<DanDare>Hello. Im setting up etch and when installed apache2 trought apt-get it do not create an sample httpd.conf file. Its something im doing wrong or its really noone sample config file included?
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20:16<tweak>oh weee the light is on my wireless card :D
20:16<tweak>that has to be a good sign. :)
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20:18<tweak>iwconfig doesnt show wlan0 hmmm
20:18<gsimmons>DanDare: It's intentional. See /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian for details.
20:19<DanDare>ok gsimmons, thanks
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20:20<tweak>I am going to reboot. Hopefully that will help.
20:21<tweak>this gui is still throwing me off. hehe
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20:26<tweak>hmm rebooting didnt help... :\
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20:36<tweak>anybody have any ideas on my wireless card wont show up in iwconfig after sucesfully installing it on ndiswrapper?
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20:47<tweak>ohh I guess modprobe starts the ndiswrapper... I had to do that to start it..
20:47<tweak>maybe it will work now.. hehe
20:49<tweak>how do I see the system log?
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20:50<peterrooney>tweak: dmesg
20:50<tweak>hmmm ya I did that kk. Thanks.
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20:54<tweak>args I cant get it this to find it in iwconfig ...
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21:01<tweak>how do you un modprobe something?
21:02<peterrooney>tweak: modprobe -r <thing>
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21:07<Patricio>hey guys,,,,,FYI - I got the ATI Radeon Mobility X1400 working with 3d acc. and it works great!
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21:08<george>Patricio: success?
21:08<Patricio>YES........the graphics are a huge difference.......
21:08<george>good... glad it worked out
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21:12<tweak>Im I am going to uninstall my apt-got ndiswrapper and install the 1.48 version.
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21:12<tweak>Maybe that will help.
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21:12<Patricio>tweak: thats what I did.....
21:13<tweak>Patricio you have problem with the apt-got version?
21:14<tweak>I had trouble doing make though. It gave me errors. I will try again.
21:14<Patricio>tweak: I downloaded it manually......worked fine for me
21:15<tweak>Patricio kk. Did you have any problems with the make?
21:15<tweak>hmmm ok are you going to be here for a second? I updated my GCC maybe that will fix my errors.
21:15<Patricio>yeah I will be here
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21:16<tweak>ok I did the make distclean
21:16<tweak>no errors
21:16<tweak>Go to the source-directory and run make distclean and make. As root, run make install. This should compile and install both the kernel module and the userspace utilities. If you don’t need USB support in ndiswrapper, with recent versions, you can compile with make DISABLE_USB=1 and install with make DISABLE_USB=1 install.
21:17<tweak>Do I do make now or make install? I am in root.
21:17<george>is there a debian dir in there?
21:17<tweak>let me check.
21:17<george>ok, this is what, another ndiswrapper?
21:18<tweak>yes, I am installed 1.48 cause I think the one I got through apt-get is 1.28 and might not work for my usb wireless card
21:18<tweak>I am installing 1.48 sorry.
21:18<george>nm... there are too ma
21:19<tweak>sorry what?
21:19<george>ny things involved here I'm not familiar with
21:19<tweak>oh well I Think its a simple ... compaile and install.
21:19<tweak>nothing ndiswrapper specific yet.
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21:19<tweak>Should I do make or make install first?
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21:22<tweak>I did make and I got an error 2.
21:22<tweak>do I need to apt-get make or compile or something?
21:22<peterrooney>tweak: have you tried ./configure first? and why disable usb if it's a usb device?
21:23<tweak>I dont want to disable usb. I just copied and pasted that the instructions were.
21:23<tweak>./configure no suck file or directory.
21:23<peterrooney>tweak: often packages will have a ./configure to run before the make (that tells make about your system and compiling environment)
21:24<tweak>oh ok ... hmm doesnt say anything about that on the install howto page but I will look for it.
21:24<tweak>thank you.
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21:24<Onepamopa>tweak, check the INSTALL file
21:24<tweak>there is a INSTALL and a Makefile file..
21:24<Onepamopa>well, pico INSTALL
21:25<Onepamopa>and read
21:25<tweak>onepamopa ok thank you.
21:25<Onepamopa>instalation process has to be described in INSTALL
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21:25<Onepamopa>blah, I'm getting strange errors while compilink the kernel
21:26<Onepamopa>constant_c_and_count_memset bla bla
21:26<Onepamopa>did anyone knows what's that
21:26<Onepamopa>and most importantly - how to remove it
21:27<tweak>Onepamopa It tells me that I should have a link to the kernel souce from the modules directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build/ and I should have a include and a .config but I dont have a .config. Is there something I need to get to have a .config?
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21:28<Patricio>tweak: no
21:28<Onepamopa>.config I presume that's kernel config
21:28<tweak>hmm but there is a config file IN the include folder.
21:28<Onepamopa>and I think that it would find it by default
21:28<tweak>ok .... im going to say that step is good then.
21:29<Onepamopa>is there a configure
21:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 311] by debhelper
21:29<Onepamopa>file ?
21:29<Onepamopa>in the base app dir ?
21:30<tweak>I did exactly what it said in the install file I did make uninstall it uninstalled something then I did make uninstall again and it didnt, then I did make and it gave me the same error. Error 2.
21:30<tweak>um let me check onepamopa
21:30<peterrooney>tweak: kernel source has many sample default configs available, but you have to (1) cd /usr/src/<kernel-source> , and (2) make config (or make menuconconfig) to generate a .config file in the proper location
21:31<Onepamopa>tweak, just type ./configure
21:32<tweak>onepamopa from the build folder?
21:32<tweak>ok just a sec
21:32<Onepamopa>blah, I continue to get those strange error outputs ...
21:32<tweak>no such file or directory.
21:32<Onepamopa>tweak, hm
21:32<Onepamopa>so you do cd /app-name/build ?
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21:33<Onepamopa>or just cd /app-name
21:33<tweak>do you want me to type app-name or put in an applications name there?
21:34<Onepamopa>well, you go to the folder of the program you want to compile
21:34<tweak>oh ok.
21:34<Onepamopa>example cd /bla
21:34<Onepamopa>so, you're in bla now
21:34<Onepamopa>do ./configure
21:34<Onepamopa>it should be there
21:35<tweak>no such file or directory :\
21:35<Onepamopa>well, of course
21:35<peterrooney>for ndiswrapper, right? you need to have the source for your current kernel.
21:35<Onepamopa>bla didnt exist
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21:36<tweak>peterrooney yes ndiswrapper I am trying to install the latest from ndiswrappers website. I think the apt-get 1.28 version isnt going to work for me.
21:36<tweak>But when I do make it errors out.
21:36<tweak>I'm doing it exactly like the website says...,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/
21:37<tweak>but .... it seems to be ...harder then they say ..
21:37<tweak>"Make sure that /lib/modules/VERSION/build is a link to the kernel source, where VERSION is the version of the kernel you are running; this should be setup automatically by distribution package. If this path is not valid, kernel modules can’t be compiled."
21:38<tweak>I had to apt-get install kernel-header to get the build folder to start with. Maybe there is something else I am missing?
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21:39<peterrooney>tweak: maybe there is something else, but i can't think of what it is off the top of my head.
21:39<tweak>"Also make sure gcc and associated packages (e.g., libc6-dev on Debian based distributions) are installed so C programs can be compiled."
21:39<tweak>Do I need to apt-get that?
21:39<tweak>I missed that little part. This is a stock install of debian 1 hour old. :D
21:39<Onepamopa>well apt-get install it
21:40<tweak>I am now :) hehe
21:40<peterrooney>tweak: apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper should fix that
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21:40<Patricio>man.......I love this 3d acc stuff.......Google Earth works awesome....
21:40<tweak>patricio nice congrats!
21:40<peterrooney>dpkg: apt-get is, like, magic from time to time
21:40<tweak>peterrooney that wont install ndiswrapper right?
21:40<Onepamopa>Patricio, I think nationalgeographic's satelite imaging is better
21:40<tweak>that will just install all the stuff it would need.
21:41<peterrooney>tweak: right.
21:41<tweak>K thanks.
21:41<Onepamopa>so, no one knows what's that kernel output ?
21:41<Onepamopa>with constant_c_and_count_memset
21:41<Onepamopa>it's all around when compiling
21:41<peterrooney>tweak: but i can't see the build dependencies changing with a point version upgrade
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21:42<tweak>Well I didnt install it from the webiste before. I apt-got it.
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21:42<tweak>and it didnt work as good as I would have liked. Although it did turn on my wireless nic it didnt work.
21:43<fizzmahon>hey guys my sound was working yesterday but after a reboot it just stoped. i have reconfigured alsa but still no go. any ideas?
21:43<tweak>MAKE WORKED!
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21:43<tweak>yay! I just needed the tools to make I guess :D
21:43<Patricio>tweak: yep
21:43<tweak>make install worked also! yay I have it installed. Phew that was a lot of work for nothing hehe
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21:43<tweak>thanks everyone.
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21:46<tweak>omg I think its going to work!
21:46<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
21:46<tweak>!dx is silly. :D
21:46<dpkg>...but dx is already something else...
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21:50<dx>dpkg; damn straight I am, you tell em
21:50[~]dpkg sends straight I am, you tell em to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
21:50<ameyer>lol, accidental bottage
21:50<dx>doubly so
21:53<peterrooney>tweak: i hoep it does work. study apt-get. it has more than a little magic worth learning. apt-src has some cool tricks up its sleeve, too.
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21:54<tweak>ok I shall. Now I am just trying to get it to connect to my wireless. It picks it up... I might have to take my wep off.
21:54<tweak>And make it work with mac addresses.
21:54<ameyer>mac filtering is virtually useless
21:56<ameyer>well, for one, it's semi-trivial to spoof mac addresses
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21:57<peterrooney>tweak: IIRC, you can set WEP codes in /etc/network/interfaces.
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21:57<ameyer>and it doesn't do anything to prevent sniffing anyway
21:57<tweak>ok I am so close but sooo tired
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21:59<ameyer>not that wep's particularly useful anyway
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22:02<fizzmahon>can anyone help me with alsa
22:03<alaya>!tell fizzmahon about alsa-checklist
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22:08<tweak>oooo soo close
22:08<tweak>I can see the network and I disabled the web
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22:11<tweak>YAY I connected!
22:11<tweak>my router doesnt see it but it gets online (weird)
22:11<tweak>now I have to figure out how to make it connect on boot o.O
22:11<peterrooney>tweak: are you using your neighbour's router? :)
22:12<tweak>peterrooney no hehe my own thats how Im doing mac filtering as my security
22:12<tweak>only allowing certian mac addresses
22:13<tweak>what is that file that has all the ethernet bootup settings....
22:13<peterrooney>tweak: that will only stop _your_ neighbours and honest crackers. but it's a start
22:14<peterrooney>tweak: /etc/network/interfaces, usually.
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22:14<tweak>I really doubt anybody around here would take any more effort then using intel wireless pro to connect
22:14<tweak>once it fails they will move on. :D
22:15<tweak>if someone really wanted it it wouldnt matter how much security I had they could get in but anyways thanks
22:15<tweak>hmm nice ok so it looks like it will try to connect to the network on boot but I have to make ndiswrapper load on startup..
22:15<peterrooney>you're welcome. it's nice for me to be able to help instead of wanting help
22:16<peterrooney>tweak: modprobe should have appended it to /etc/modules
22:16<tweak>peterrooney yes you have been very helpful. I used to be decent at this a few years ago when I Was running my game server hosting company using all debian sun servers. :D
22:17<tweak>ok I shall check my modules
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22:17<tweak>wow my modprobe was almost empty o.O just had loop I will add ndiswrapper.
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22:18<tweak>yay everything works im so happy
22:20<tweak>now all I got to do is configure my apt-get so I can apt-get from the web instead of my cd rom...
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22:21<tweak>woohoo fixed that im on a roll hehe
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22:24<tweak>want to hear something weird.... I go ifconfig and it shows my wireless is but if I go ping it times out and no one else can see it on the network nor is it listed on the routers list.... maybe cause I have it set static instead of dhcp...
22:25<peterrooney>tweak: what's your listed gateway in `interfaces' file ?
22:26<tweak>I shale check.
22:26<tweak>its the router
22:26<tweak>just like my laptop here...
22:26<tweak>I used my static setting from this computer. heheh
22:26<peterrooney>`route' should tell you what gateway is actually being used
22:27<peterrooney>tweak: oh, is your cable still plugged in?
22:27<tweak>no I ifdowned it and unplegged it.
22:28<tweak>so that I knew the wireless was working
22:28<tweak>wow ... my route is weird.. I dont understand it
22:28<peterrooney>tweak: was just a thought. so does the output of route agree with your /etc/network/interfaces?
22:29<tweak>should there be a and a default destination? my gateway is * ...
22:29<tweak>let me check
22:30<tweak>im going to ... disconnect my wireless and reconnect it
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22:30<tweak>I realise it wont be in the dhcp tables on the router because its not using dhcp...
22:31<tweak>my bcast is .. .
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22:32<tweak>im going to restart my router...
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22:33<Tweak-Nub>ok back
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22:34<Tweak2>ok back hehe
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22:34<Tweak2>I guess I will try setting the wireless to dhcp.
22:35<twb>I'm trying to set up a static IP4 interface, and there is no love.
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22:36<Tweak2>ya dhcp works
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22:38<peterrooney>Tweak2: congrats.
22:38<Patricio>getting there aint ya Tweak?
22:38<pogonip>Where's the best place to get help with mythtv on Ubuntu?
22:39<gravity>pogonip: #ubuntu
22:39<pogonip>Thank you.
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22:40<peterrooney>twb: what about metric gateway and mtu in your .../interfaces
22:40<Tweak2>... I have no clue what my computer is doing now ... its like taking for ever to start the appletalk services.... I have no clue why I need appletalk...
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22:42<Tweak2>Ok I just want to thank everyone and Peterrooney that helped me today. We have succesfully got my cheap wireless card to work on my 1u sun server. :D
22:43<Tweak2>Now I am going to shove it in my closet and never look at it again. YAY putty :)
22:43<Tweak2>sooo loud.
22:43<peterrooney>Tweak2: putty? blashpemer! cygwin.
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22:44<Tweak2>cygwin is better? never heard of it.
22:44<Tweak2>Does it use ssh?
22:44<peterrooney>well... putty is a windows client, isn't it?
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22:44<peterrooney>cygwin is an X environment for windows
22:45<twb>Never mind, I just realized I need a crossover cable
22:45<peterrooney>Tweak2: bash and ssh are available
22:46<Tweak2>ok no you confused me. I use putty to communicte with my linux server with command line. Cygwin would be able to use a gui while I remote into my machines?
22:46<Tweak2>(not quite sure what bash is btw)
22:46<peterrooney>Tweak2: cygwin has an X environ, but it also has a shell environment
22:47<Tweak2>intersting. I will check it out
22:47<peterrooney>Tweak2: bash is the most common shell used by debian folk (and probably all other distributions)
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22:47<peterrooney>Tweak2: s/shell/command line/
22:48<peterrooney>Tweak2: i mean, cygwin also has a command line environment
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22:49<Tweak2>Cool installing it now.
22:49<Tweak2>I do like putty though. Very simple gets the job done.
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22:51<Tweak2>so weird having my server having just .. power going to it.... soon we need to invent wireless power :D Servers would have power cables going to it.
22:51<Tweak2>would have no cables I mean
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22:52<Tweak2>eekk I hvae no clue how to use cygwin ... hehe how do I connect?
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22:57<Patricio>chealer: just wanted to let you know.....I got the fglrx working on my sys.......the graphics are now awesome.......*S*
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22:59<chealer>Patricio: thanks
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22:59<Patricio>chealer: talk bout a pain though......
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23:03<chealer>Patricio: hehe. out-of-tree LKMs are always a pleasure. from what I know about nvidia, non-free X drivers with a LKM is a distinguished pleasure, indeed.
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23:03<Patricio>chealer: was pretty nasty.....
23:06<Patricio>LOL.......I would agree if I was unable to solve the issue.....but with it working properly and getting the correct info through fglrxinfo.......I am happy with it......
23:06<Patricio>and graphics now are no comparison to what they were before...
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23:07<dli_>Patricio, right now, intel graphic is still the only solution
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23:09<Tweak2>peterrooney when I do route my gateway is * ...... that cant be good can it?
23:09<Patricio>dli_: I cannot agree......I do not have, or used, intel graphics......I am sure they are the way to go......but at the present time.....ATI is doing ok for now.......
23:09<Tweak2>for some reason I Cant get out of the network any more ...
23:10<Tweak2>how do I ifdown and up a connection? if I go ifdown it will disconnect me and I wont be able to ifup it...
23:10<Tweak2>ifdownup? hehe
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23:13<alaya>cool got knetworkmanager working. runs great.
23:13<Tweak2>alaya is that for wireless networks?
23:14<alaya>Tweak2: yeah.
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23:15<alaya>with this howto:
23:15<Tweak2>alaya there isnt an apt-get :(
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23:17<Tweak2>anybody know how I can restart the network on my server?
23:18<dli_>Tweak2, /etc/init.d/networking restart
23:19<Tweak2>didnt even disconnect me from putty :D
23:19<Tweak2>apache2 still the best webserver app?
23:20<Tweak2>I selected webserver as one of the things when I installed debian ... maybe it already has one ...
23:20<Tweak2>anybody know what the default one is?
23:20<ameyer>I think apache2
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23:24<Tweak2>yes apache2 is in my /etc/
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