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00:10<harsha>Hey people!
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00:57<agus>is it posible to use a kernel wich not uses initramfs???
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00:59<blarson>agus: Yes.
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01:00<agus>and do you know if i could start it with grub?
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01:01<blarson>agus: yes
01:02<agus>i can't figure out what modules should i compile or not to get that kind of kernel, can you give me a clue
01:03<agus>especificly this
01:03<agus>File systems -> Automatically mount at boot
01:03<agus>can't find that
01:04<blarson>agus: run lsmod, it will show the modules you have loaded
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01:05<agus>i'know that, but the module i'm trying to find is one that i'm not using, and i think i need it for pass from initrd
01:05<agus>i'm sorry bodering but i spend like three weeks of reedingi'm sorry bodering but i spend like three weeks of reeding
01:06<agus>i want to finish
01:07<agus>otherwise i get the error "VFS: unable to mount..."
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01:08<agus>i'm on the 2.6 of course
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01:09<blarson>Did you configure grub not to look for an initrd?
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01:09<agus>mmm... i'just don specific not initrd
01:09<agus>so i'm that stupid?
01:10<agus>please tell
01:10<agus>donspecific any initrd
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01:13<agus>blarson: haw do i do to configure grub???
01:13<agus>never hear of that
01:13<agus>i just edit it
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01:16<agus>ok, i'm finding a lot in google
01:16<agus>thank you
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01:56<HolyAvenger>I installed apt-get install gnome
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01:57<HolyAvenger>Now I'm at a loss. =/ How do I run it? Does it run automatically after installing? Do I need anything else? (besides the obvious vnc-like soft)
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01:57<sdsds>does anyone know what the switch is to disable interactive mode when using killall -e so it wont prompt you for y/N ?
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02:01<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: log out of X session, and (depending on your display manager) you should have an option to log in to a gnome session. what session manager are you using now?
02:02<HolyAvenger>I'm via SSH
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02:06<HolyAvenger>I'm connecting to a remote server (running debian) from my computer (XP). I downloaded Gnome and now I'm absolutely clueless. =/
02:06<HolyAvenger>And google is not helping.
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02:08<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: apt-get install vncserver ; then run vncpasswd, then run vncserver
02:10<muh2000>i want mysql or something create automaticly a hard link... how could i do that?
02:10<HolyAvenger>Shouldn't mysql allow you to do that from your AdminCP?
02:11<HolyAvenger>Ok, I didn't have x-win installed, that's a beginning
02:11<muh2000>HolyAvenger: AdminCP? well the guys on freenode/mysql said mysql will not do that
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02:12<HolyAvenger>It IS more likely that they know better than me on that, so I'd listen to them.
02:13<muh2000>HolyAvenger: i had it auto create little time ag, but i forgot how :( i srsly dont care anymore how it is create as long it is automaticly after a reboot...
02:15<muh2000>i am sure some debian tools will allow me to do that somehow. but where to put in the create link thing into?
02:16<HolyAvenger>That I have no idea about.
02:16<HolyAvenger>I'm still struggling with GNOME =p
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02:23<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: you might want to try apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
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02:27<HolyAvenger>Excuse me ignorance, but what would be the difference?
02:28<HolyAvenger>And excuse my previous arrogance, but how do I connect to my server once my GNOME is up?
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02:29<HolyAvenger>Building dependency tree... Done
02:29<HolyAvenger>gnome-desktop-environment is already the newest version.
02:29<HolyAvenger>That's what I got.
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02:30<peterrooney>sorry., i cycled. ( i still have the shell habit of "^W" meaning "erase word" instead of "close window")
02:31<HolyAvenger>Haha, no problem.
02:31<HolyAvenger>I have this n00b thing that won't let me do most things without help.
02:31<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: well, then all you should need to do is install the vnc server ( the java versions, most likely), set your vnc password, and then decide if you want to access through a web browser or a vnc viewer
02:32<HolyAvenger>mind if I request help on that?
02:32<HolyAvenger>That was NOT english for me. =p
02:32<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: nope
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02:32<HolyAvenger>Then, please, DO help me
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02:33<peterrooney>vnc has two ways of running. one is with the rfb protocol, for which you need a separate vnc client.. the other is as a miniature web server, and runs a java applet in your browser when you connect.
02:34<iamtravis>hello, I was wondering if anybody knows where i can grab the kernel source for debian kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64
02:34<iamtravis>i'm trying to get the nvidia drivers installed, and the creative xfi ones too, and they seem to require the source
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02:35<peterrooney>if you're on winXP, probably vnc-java is better
02:35<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: if you're on winXP, probably vnc-java is better
02:36<dli>!tell iamtravis about nvidia
02:36<HolyAvenger>Ok, i'll tell you what I "did"
02:36<HolyAvenger>#apt-get install vnc4server
02:36<HolyAvenger>and then, I tried to #vnc4server -geometry 1024×768 -depth 24
02:36<HolyAvenger>to which I get this error 2vnc4server: geometry 800×600 is invalid
02:37<HolyAvenger>remove the "2"
02:38<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: # apt-get install tightvncserver vnc-java ; then (NOT as root) $ tightvncserver -httpport 8080 :1
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02:39<HolyAvenger>Package vnc-java is not available, but is referred to by another package.
02:39<HolyAvenger>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
02:39<HolyAvenger>is only available from another source
02:39<HolyAvenger>E: Package vnc-java has no installation candidate
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02:39<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: you have to include the 'x' in the geometry
02:39<chealer>nvidia drivers don't need kernel source.
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02:40<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: wow, i can't fathom vnc-java not being available.
02:41<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: you may have to add another deb source in the file /etc/apt/sources.list ...
02:41<iamtravis>Yeah I'm just reading the wiki now, thanks for the info
02:41<george>my debian + xen3.1 setup has been running now for awhile... I have an old install where the motherboard battery died, now I'm running it as a domU
02:42<iamtravis>In the readme for these soundblaster XFI drivers, it says "You must have the fully configured source for the Linux kernel and ALSA which you want to use for this device driver. Partial installed kernels (e.g. From distribution makers) may be unusable for this action.
02:42<iamtravis>From this I looked on google for the source package for my kernel and couldn't find it
02:43<george>debian has the configured headers for building that stuff, I believe
02:43<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: and try not to paste more than one line at a time. the debhelper bot gets quite irate.
02:43<george>but then alsa is in the kernel now... or is this a driver for a card which works with alsa that is not in the kernel source tree?
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02:44<HolyAvenger># vnc4server -geometry 1024×768 -depth 24 <---- Is that alright?
02:44<HolyAvenger>Because I keep getting the error
02:44<iamtravis>I got the alsa source installed, but I couldn't find the kernel source it needs
02:44<HolyAvenger>I'm following this guide:
02:44<dli>iamtravis, can you use alsa in kernel?
02:44<george>iamtravis: see, alsa made it into the kernel and (I guess) Linus is in the process of kicking OSS out
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02:46<george>iamtravis: what kernel would you like to run? what version of debian do you have?
02:46<iamtravis>my sound is disable now, a dvd's playing but the sounds not with it
02:46<markybob>ElectricElf imagine my surprise when i joined #deluge at freenode and see that you havent been seen in 458 days. have i really been gone for that long? :)
02:47<dli>!tell iamtravis about alsa
02:47<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: the geometry should be 1024x768 , note the x
02:47<iamtravis>I have the etch version with the net-installable kernel image for amd64/intel 64 bit , and it installed a new kernel image after that was done
02:47<markybob>ElectricElf yes, i did mean #debian. hrm. :p
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02:47<george>iamtravis, (the which kernel do you want is a bigger question than just sound)
02:47<Willdude>Hi there! I'm having a very sticky little problem with my Toshiba laptop. Since I had to copy all the files out of the extended partitions onto an external HDD I have just long enough to repartition everything except the root directory, my user account will not boot into X -- although root does so just fine.
02:48<george>sticky problems sometimes wash off with water...
02:48<dli>Willdude, you should have copied with " cp -ax"
02:48<iamtravis>well I'd want to run one that can run my hardware right and give me some security
02:48<peterrooney>Willdude: and check free space
02:48<HolyAvenger>peterrooney: Wow, how did you notice it was not an "x" but a "insert clonned-x name here" instead? =O
02:48<HolyAvenger>Thanks for that
02:48<Willdude>The hang-up seems to be in conjunction with the password screen. Every time I fill in my password and send it, the screen flashes black twice, and there's the password request again. This thing is driving me to distraction. Any ideas?
02:49<dli>Willdude, I guess you messed up directory permissions, check /tmp /etc permissions
02:49<george>iamtravis: so what is your present kernel (uname -r)? what is your current version of debian? (cat /etc/debian_version)?
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02:50<iamtravis>and version 4.0
02:50<george>ok, I'm running a flavor of that myself. you running etch then?
02:51<sdsds>does anyone know what the switch is to disable interactive mode when using killall -e so it wont prompt you for y/N ?
02:52<trogdor3>how come when i do apt-cache search lighttpd I can see it
02:52<HolyAvenger>peterrooney: Thank you very much for your awesome help. You've helped me a great deal. I'm running a 24 colour VNC right now (I should find how to change that to, at least, 256) and It's pretty smooth. Again: Thank you.
02:52<george>there should be alsa in the kernel... do you have the modules for that kernel installed? (I'm confused rright now about which linux-image packages have corresponding linux-modules packages)
02:52<trogdor3>but when i do apt-get install lighttpd it says it cannot find it
02:52<Willdude>Free space is not a problem. Permissions may well be.
02:52<jm_>try apt-cache policy lighttpd
02:52<Hona>hello everybody, got'ta litle problem with Debian and was wonderin if anyone here know how to solve it...
02:53<trogdor3>jm_ looks like all i had to do is apt-get update first
02:53<george>Hona: nope... no one knows how to solve problems here...
02:53<gsimmons>!tell Hona -about ask
02:53<trogdor3>jm_ you happen to know where the default www folder is?
02:54<george>Hona: kidding :P ask your question
02:54<iamtravis>how do i check if I have the module installed? in synapse it says I have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed
02:54<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: you're welcome. as for how, after a while you start to notice things. the only way to stay clueless ( barring mental incalpability) is to not persist.
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02:55<george>Hona: and even if I have no idea of the domain of your problem, I tend to butt in and try to get you to think about it and make small steps toward solution or at least understanding
02:55<gsimmons>trogdor3: The document Document Root is /var/www.
02:55<Hona>the system seem to run nice, but when i try to configure it the system crash....
02:55<gsimmons>trogdor3: s/document/default/
02:55<peterrooney>HolyAvenger: and the -depth 24 refers to the colour bit depth, not the number of colours. 24 bits ~ 16 million
02:56<george>iamtravis: see what happens if you do alsaconf
02:56<trogdor3>gsimmons hmmm how would I make it support multiple domains on the same server?
02:56<george>(as root, or sudo)
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02:57<chealer>iamtravis: they're installed.
02:57<george>Hona: what exactly do you configure? is it software in an installed package? how are you trying to configure it?
02:57<iamtravis>no supported PnP or PCI sound card found
02:57<george>those are just enough for now
02:57<gsimmons>trogdor3: Read the lighttpd documentation ('lighttpd-doc' package), specifically in regards to virtual hosting.
02:58<george>iamtravis: ok, when you run lspci and you look closely, in detail, at what it says, do you see a single line that might describe your sound card?
02:58<Hona>trying to start any of the tools from aministrative, the system ask for the root password and then it locksup
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02:59<trogdor3>gsimmons once install how do i read
02:59<george>Hona: complete freeze? can't move the mouse? keyboard keys do nothing?
02:59<george>please describe this freeze
02:59<Hona>no nay nothing is posible to do
02:59<george>so you can't move the mouse and you can't type anything
03:00<iamtravis>02:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi - it's listed
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03:00<Hona>cant switch the capslock or the numlock on or off kinda freze
03:00<george>and also when you try ctrl-alt-F1 nothing happens? also, ctrl-alt-backspace? also, the machine does not return ping replies from another machine (do you have another machine, btw? :)
03:01<iamtravis> This is the driver for it, but that's where I need to find a source code package
03:01<george>Hona: ok
03:02<george>(so you can test this by doing this admin thing that freezes everything, then run these tests)
03:02<gsimmons>trogdor3: cd /usr/share/doc/lighttpd-doc; pager file_of_interest , or whatever file viewer you prefer. The documentation is also available from
03:02<Hona>dont know about the ping thing since i have not parts i need in order to get it onto a network
03:03<george>but those two other things, no joy?
03:03<Hona>-the computer aint responding when i press the alt-ctrl-f1 or crtl - alt -backspace
03:04<george>so we either have a complete freeze or (if we would have found ping replies) maybe it's just that the keyboard got disconnected in software somehow
03:04<george>let's assume complete
03:05<george>so what is it you're trying exactly?
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03:05<iamtravis>I'd prefer to keep the debian kernel in here instead of compiling my own, but if it's neccessary to get my hardware up and running I might have to
03:05<iamtravis>is there maybe a CVS repository I can go to to grab the source for this kernel?
03:06<george>iamtravis: if you've never done it before it wouldn't be a waste of your time to learn how that's done
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03:07<george>you should be able to apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64
03:07<chealer>iamtravis: if you don't mind, are you sure ALSA doesn't support your card?
03:07<george>didn't you say amd64?
03:08<iamtravis>ha, that's great thank you
03:08<Hona>trying to start up any program "programs" - "internett" or to run any tool from the "desktopenviroment" - "administrative" (or something like that)
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03:08<iamtravis>yep that's the one
03:08<Willdude>So what am I looking for in the /tmp and /etc permissions? They're both set to rwxr xr x for root. N.B.: Neither of those was copied off in my recent operation, as they are in the root partition.
03:08<iamtravis>yeah I'm pretty sure, since the alsaconfig didn't recognize it and there's nothing indicating i have any sound
03:08<george>iamtravis: plus people are jumping in at the moment to help you as well... check out what they're saying
03:09<yang>is there a similar solution to NAS/Openfiler for debian GUI driven?
03:10<chealer>iamtravis: but that's with your current ALSA version. do you have any indication that a newer ALSA wouldn't support your card?
03:10<george>or even better that it would?
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03:11<george>chealer: I'm thinking that if a separate alsa driver exists that it could be in a later alsa
03:11<chealer>Willdude: does that happen with more than one user?
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03:12<Willdude>chealer: I have no way of knowing, as I am the only user on the machine.
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03:12<Hona>hmmmm.... anyone know how to configure the size of the swapfile and how much of the ram the system are allowed to use`?
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03:13<chealer>Willdude: can't you create a new user?
03:13<sep>Hona, usualy you want your system to use all of your ram, otherways the ram is wasted
03:14<Willdude>chealer: Yes, I can. Should I?
03:15<chealer>Willdude: I'd recommend it
03:15<george>Hona: aside from that, there are many virtualization technologies whose purpose is to run more than one OS at the same time... there, you'd split ram up
03:15<sep>Hona, and the swapfile will be the size you create it to be
03:15<george>swap... file? yes, it's possible, but that's going to be slower
03:15<jm_>people normally use swap partitions, not swap files
03:15<chealer>iamtravis: nevermind, ALSA doesn't support your card yet. did you just with Linux headers?
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03:16<Hona>yea but i'm not normal :P
03:16<chealer>s/you just/you try just/
03:16<george>Hona: now you're just opening yourself to all the jokes :)
03:17<george>I'm not normal either... I tend to configure desktop machines like servers, so I use something like 7-9 partitions/volumes
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03:18<sep>george, that is normal
03:18<sep>george, all my machines are like that
03:18<iamtravis>sorry, i was afk for a second, I'm trying to get these source packages installed now
03:20<Willdude>chealer: My new user account is showing the same behavior as my old one.
03:20<chealer>Willdude: did you check your display manager's log?
03:20<iamtravis>which directory does the linux source code get installed in? after it finished there's nothing in /usr/src
03:20<Hona>oh, the swap patition is sort of very smal....
03:21<jm_>iamtravis: how did you install it?
03:21<chealer>iamtravis: list the package's contents, and you should see
03:22<iamtravis>apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64
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03:22<jm_>current dir
03:22<iamtravis>ah i see
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03:25<Hona>k, is it at all posible to reset the amount of space the swap partitions is s'posed to be...
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03:25<iamtravis>ok I'm gonna give this another shot, thanks for the help
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03:26<george>chealer: did we ever find out what card he has?
03:27<chealer>george: [03:01:40] <iamtravis> 02:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi - it's listed
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03:27<george>in alsa support?
03:28<chealer>george: what?
03:28<chealer>Hona: what do you mean? how did you change it?
03:29<george>well we know it's listed in some linux db, otherwise lspci wouldn't give us anything specific...
03:29<Hona>have'nt changed it but i guess one can format the disk and reinstall debian in order to do it
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03:31<Willdude>chealer: Yes. Xorg.0.log has nothing in it that should cause such behavior. The only EE line in it says "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable". I know that isn't the problem because it shows up with my root account too, which gets into X just fine anyway.
03:31<chealer>Hona: by "reset", do you mean "change" (set again)?
03:31<george>but I'm wondering where else it's listed, in alsa compat list?
03:31<Hona>:$ yes
03:32<Hona>-yes (flashig smilythinge)
03:32<jm_>you could simple create a swapfile and use it together with existing swap partition ...
03:32<chealer>Hona: OK. "reset" has another meaning. yes, you can resize a swap partition.
03:32<jm_>simply even
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03:33<chealer>Willdude: did you check .xsession-errors?
03:34<Hona>reset= undo all the stupid mistakes i've done. change = do even more mistakes :)
03:36<chealer>Hona: which mistakes did you do?
03:37<ne>my microphone is not working on debian etch, could you please give idea ?
03:37<Hona>hmmm, dont know yet, but im qute sure that i did something to my little brothers pc so that when he logs on it bluescreens and restarts..... dont know how i did it and it was not my intention
03:37<george>ne: my idea is pretty sicco...
03:38<george>still want to hear it?
03:38<chealer>!tell ne about doesn't work
03:39<Willdude>chealer: No, I had not. I just looked at the one for my new account, and the only thing it says is "open: Permission denied."
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03:39<Hona>well anyway gota go cause else i get late for school (hmmm, can maybe "lend" some ram from one of those pc's :) )
03:39<george>oh I've seen this pattern a million times... person comes in expecting to get the whole answer in one shot, so he asks the question and then doesn't respond until you give him the complete answer
03:39<george>(which isn't even possible yet)
03:40<chealer>Willdude: hum, well, I guess you have *some* permission issue.
03:42<ne>chealer: how can I be specific about that? I opened the computer. I can hear sound but, microphone is not working. do I need some configurations? or what the fuck is that? thank you.
03:42<Supaplex>!tazer yesterday
03:42[~]dpkg electroshocks the living crap out of yesterday with about 401,763 Volts!
03:42<george>ne: oh let me count the ways
03:43<chealer>ne: what do you mean by "microphone is not working"? if you prefer, how do you know that it doesn't work?
03:43<Willdude>chealer: Indeed yes. The question is, where and what is it?
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03:43<george>(1) tell us kernel, (2) tell us version of linux, (3) tell us what card you have, (4) tell us what driver it's using, (5) tell us what your mixer settings are
03:44<george>and that's not all
03:44<Supaplex>is the microphone defective?
03:44<Supaplex>is the user deaf?
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03:44<george>we know the last question is a no
03:44<Supaplex>if a tree falls in the forest, how do deaf people imagine it?
03:45<Supaplex>my bad. </a$$hat>
03:45<george>Supaplex: lands on head
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03:45<george>see?? see?? I have an answer for everything! :)
03:45<george>well except most useful things :)
03:46<ne>chealer: I tried on skype. and KDE sound recorder. DEbian etch, 2.6.18-5-686, creative sound card ( I do not know which one)
03:46<george>ne: ok, and that creative card is actually producing sound output?
03:46<Supaplex>lspci -nn
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03:47<chealer>ne: and what happens, suppose in krec, when you try recording?
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03:48<george>ne: in general... the answer to your question that contained the word "fuck" is, you communicate with people here (or anywhere really) as if you're an equal... as an equal, you might notice what you'd need to know to solve the problem, so you supply what you know
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03:49<Supaplex>ne: run lspci -nn | grep audio
03:49<Supaplex>unless it's usb...
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03:49<Supaplex>or isa...
03:49<ne>george: I want to apologize about that word from all of you. I am sorry.
03:49<george>maybe grep -i audio
03:50<george>ne: no problem, I'm not offended in the slightest, and also I'm not trying to be in ANY way authoritative over your behavior
03:50<george>I want that understood now :)
03:50<george>authoritatively, ironically :)
03:50<Supaplex>george: yes capn cheese cakes ;)
03:51<ne>chelaer: I tried on Krec, I recorded, but after I paly no sound
03:51<george>you have -no- idea :)
03:51<george>Supaplex: you just hit on something that you'd be very surprised to see how it fleshes out
03:51<chealer>my nickname is "chealer". use tab-completion to get it right. did you check your mixer settings?
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03:53<ne>Supaplex: 02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS [1102:0007]
03:53<george>ne: all I'm saying is the "helper-helpee" dynamic doesn't work so well... if it's "equal-equal" and BOTH are working to SOLVE the problem (or not, and they;re just playing with stuff to see what it does -- just imagine how this particular dynamic could work), it's MORE FUN
03:54<ne>Chealer: I did not check Kmixer settings, actually I could not find how to do
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03:54<chealer>ne: check it
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03:55<george>ne: you might also like alsamixer which you run from konsole
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03:57<ne>chealer: everything seems normal to me in Kmix settings. input mode is mic
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03:57<george>ne: mic level up?
03:57<chealer>ne: please provide a screenshot
03:57<ne>george: yes level up
03:58<chealer>ne: personally, I'd prefer a kmix screenshot
03:58<george>is there a meter application he could use
03:59<iamtravis>does anybody know what this remote access loaded successfully is in the OFTC screen on xchat? it sounds like it set up a way for somebody to access my computer
03:59<ne>chealer: where can I uploadscreen-shot
03:59<chealer>!tell ne about paste
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04:00<chealer>iamtravis: in the motd or what? anyway, ask #oftc
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04:02<iamtravis> next line is Tcl interface loaded then remote access loaded successfully
04:02<chealer>wah, another one using a non-default theme.
04:02<chealer>ne: no need for the whole screen, just kmix :)
04:03<chealer>ne: there's one thing I'm unable to verify with that theme. could you please take the screenshot with the default theme?
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04:05<iamtravis>anyways I can't get this kernel source package compiled into anything useful, i try a make menuconfig and get a page of errors
04:05<iamtravis>I tried generating the random .config file for use with the nvidia installer but that didn't work - I probably don't need 3d anyways if it's gonna be a pain in the ass like this
04:06<jm_>you don't need kernel sources to build nvidia driver, you failed to follow instructions
04:07<george>iamtravis: btw if you like tci you might also like openacs and aolserver
04:07<iamtravis>I have video anyways from the open source drivers
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04:09<iamtravis>i'm still learning so most of these things are new to me
04:10<george>I just noticed something!!
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04:10<george>people say "I'm still learning" as if that's a bad thing, and as if they're going to stop learning sometime soon!
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04:11<george>I hope you say "I'm still learning" for the rest of your life
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04:14<george>hmm, they also say "I'm still learning" to mean "I'm not good at ..."
04:15<george>the good thing there is they depict their process of change which is for getting them past their present difficulties
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04:19<ray_>I agree with you george
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04:21<george>cool :)
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04:23<iamtravis>nothing wrong with learning, it just seems that most people who use linux already know everything about it
04:23<iamtravis>and i'm just trying to figure out what a command does
04:24<iamtravis>i'm still stuck on the startup_32() function trying to understand how it works
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04:26<iamtravis>anyways I hope I have a good time learning and using it
04:27<jm_>startup_32? you're trying to figure out how kernel works?
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04:28<jm_> - it's also explained in that book you see on the right, which is rather old, so I am not quite sure how useful it still is
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04:30<iamtravis>:) I have a book called Understanding the Linux Kernel, it's gotta be one of the best reads I had about linux - I'm working through it slowly trying to understand a little more about how it goes
04:31<jm_>yeah a good book
04:32<chealer>iamtravis: starting GNU/Linux with Understanding the Linux Kernel...I hope you're a computer scientist :)
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04:33<iamtravis>ok - I tried running the installer for the creative drivers again but the installer loads and exits right away because uname -i says I'm on a unidentified architecture 'Core 2' processor's not revealed
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04:34<iamtravis>that seems to be one of the requirements for installing it, is there a particular debian kernel that I should be installing instead of the amd64 version? - I gathered to install this one from the ubuntu installation site for this processor
04:34<jm_>maybe it only works on 32bit kernels?
04:35<george>you're the one with the creative card right? you showed an lspci line?
04:35<iamtravis>na the creative driver for the XFI cards were made for 64 bit processors
04:35<jm_>is it a shell script?
04:36<george>see if lspci can be so specific then it must have been known to someone when that ehtry was added
04:36<iamtravis>yeah - if [ "$platform" != "x86_64" ]
04:36<george>so maybe that same someone has a line on a driger5
04:36<iamtravis>platform=$(uname -i)
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04:36<iamtravis>I'm guessing I could edit the script to put that in there, I remember reading about a /proc entry that shows whether or not 64 bit is enabled, any idea what that is?
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04:36<jm_>should be simple to fix that
04:37<jm_>just run uname -a
04:37<iamtravis>ok I'll try and put that command in
04:37<jm_>no, run that in shell
04:37<jm_>to fix it simply change != to =
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04:38<Frey>ANY BODY THERE???
04:39<muep_>nobody here
04:40<george>sumbody knows? knowbody sums?
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04:41<w00ter>Good morning, got another question. I installed MySQL-server4.1 thought apt-get, but when i logon to the server, it display's 'MySQL Version: MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1'
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04:41<w00ter>How come it does this? As i clearly asked apt to download and install 4.1, and not 5.0
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04:43<george>doesn't vers 5 have transactions and at least foreign key constraint enforcement?
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04:44<george>can I moo?
04:45<george>tellyawhyat... instead of mooing, I'll say:
04:45<gsimmons>w00ter: Using Etch? 'mysql-server-4.1' is a transitional package to 'mysql-server-5.0'.
04:46<kReNzZ>koQ gaX???
04:46<kReNzZ>GAZEBO deWh
04:46<w00ter>gsimmons - yes i use Etch, im not sure what 'transitional package' means, could you explain me ?
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04:47<iamtravis>ok I tried running the installer with the x86_64 part modified, and now it says it can't detect the device although lspci does show it listed
04:47<cowo_gituan>ada orang indo
04:48<george>you program in ada?
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04:48<george>at least there are compilers for it :)
04:49<iamtravis>system_devices=$(lspci -vmd "$vendor_id":"$device_id" | grep -w 'SDevice' | awk '{print $NF}') is the way it checks what is listed, but I don't understand how to interpret that
04:50<george>look just at the part : system_devices=something
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04:51<george>after that, $system_devices will contain "something"
04:51<george>the next thing:
04:51<george>look just at the part : system_devices=$( stuff in here )
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04:52<george>then, $system_devices will have the textual output that came from the command "stuff in here"
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04:53<iamtravis>SDevice: X-Fi XtremeMusic
04:53<george>some of the stuff inside there, I don't understand so well
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04:54<iamtravis>I don't understand, the lspci -vmd part done manually returns it, grep should beable to find SDevice since it's listed
04:54<iamtravis>awk I know next to nothing about except that it edits text in some way
04:55<george>yeah, I don't know awk either
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04:56<george>it was their way of carving their initials on a tree
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04:57<binichschondrin>?hm hallo erstmal
04:57<iamtravis>SDevice: X-Fi XtremeMusic is the result from lspci -vmd "$vendor_id":"%device_id" | grep -w 'SDevice'
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04:59<binichschondrin>kennt sich hier jemand mit Damn Small Linux aus?
04:59<gsimmons>w00ter: They exist for the purpose of upgrading software versions between Debian releases. Etch only has MySQL 5.0.32 packaged, 4.1 isn't available.
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05:00<binichschondrin>ok is here anyone who know something about Damn Small Linux and Pure-FTPd?
05:00<w00ter>gsimmons - Ok thanks. But is there any way i can still install 4.1? I'm setting up RT, and it says it has issues with MySQL 5.0, and they strongly advice using MySQL 4.1
05:00<chealer>!tell binichschondrin about dsl
05:01<padski>w00ter: do they recommend mysql over pg ?
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05:02<w00ter>padski - no, the manual advises to use PG instead of MySQL cause of the 5.0 version. Allthought the issue is we already have an RT install on MySQL which needs to be moved to the new server, so i need to stick with the MySQL database
05:02<george>and if so... what are they smoking... unless they say that there is a -specific- application and it wasn't ported to pg
05:03<padski>w00ter: mysql to pg migration not an option then ?
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05:08<george>if they're recommending pg, you could begin to get used to it at least
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05:08<george>maybe you'll decide "this pg shit is crap" but at least you'll decide that after using it awhile :)
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05:11<w00ter>padski - i wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to do that :(
05:11<seanius>w00ter: there is no mysql 4.1 in etch
05:11<w00ter>i never worked with PG, and i'm fairly new to Linux
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05:12<seanius>in general postgres is a "better" database, but better != easier
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05:13<w00ter>So i got no other option then using mysql 5.0, or PG
05:13<seanius>w00ter: or downloading/compiling/installing 4.1 manually
05:14<seanius>or... heh... installing sarge
05:14<mjk>I have a manual page called rp.1 here, and I want to convert it to a pure assci/latin1 text file /without/ any highlighting or other control characters. How would I do that? "TERM=dumb man -l -Tlatin1 rp.1" still produces highlights etc.
05:16<padski>w00ter: which rt version is it, and where is the stuff about the problems ?
05:17<w00ter>RT 3.6.5, here is tells about the problem; 'The issue here is that the mysql 5.0 optimizer has serious issues (which are being worked on) that causes millions of rows to be touched in some cases <...>'
05:24<padski>w00ter: is there a debian bug for the issue between rt3 and mysql ?
05:24<w00ter>padski - normally i use tools like HeidiSQL and MySQL administrator on me windows machine to work the databases, do you know any similair tools like that ?
05:25<w00ter>padski - not sure, just came across that wiki entry, i think the issue is an RT/mysql one, and not specificly Debian
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05:25<seanius>w00ter: mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser, maybe
05:25<w00ter>seanius - thanks
05:26<padski>w00ter: I think it would be good if there were a debian bug all the same. might be nice to add it to that wiki page also.
05:26<seanius>padski: it would not be useful unless the bug also contained a cross reference to the upstream-reported bug
05:26<seanius>assuming there is one, otherwise it's useless
05:27<w00ter>hmmm, a note on that migration page; Actually I didn't migrate the production server cause of serious performance issues.
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05:27<broatcast>german ore english?
05:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
05:28<padski>seanius: agreed. it would be a poor bug report otherwise.
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05:29<w00ter>Judging that migration page, i think my best shot would be to manually compile and install MySQL 4.1 on Etch
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05:29<nd>w00ter: Do you know if this also affects 3.6.4? I'm just in the process of upgrading on etch.
05:29<w00ter>nd: Not sure, it doesn't mention that on the page.
05:31<nd>In my test environment rt wasn't too slow with mysql5 but it's a small rt setup, only ~100 Tickets per week
05:31<padski>w00ter: software is a process
05:31<w00ter>I'm setting it up for our helpdesk, we proccess around 300 tickets a week
05:32<padski>w00ter: will you even see the problem on that workload ?
05:32<w00ter>padski - i imagen you would, we also have to do alot of ticket searches and stuff
05:33<seanius>if you want to skip the compilation step, i think there are precompiled tarballs that you can install
05:33<broatcast>can any tell me whats the problem? (sry for by bad english) -> svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request
05:34<w00ter>seanius - Any idea on were to find them (with instrctions?:) )
05:34<seanius>i don't know about installing them, but it's probably not too complicated and there are probably instructions in the tarball
05:34[~]seanius lunches
05:35<nd>w00ter: Can't you just install mysql-4.1 from sarge?
05:35<w00ter>aight cool, thanks seanius, i'll first have a look into that, see if i can get 4.1 up and running
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05:35<w00ter>nd: I don't know, i have no idea if there are compatible issues or so between Sarge and Etch
05:36<padski>why was mysql4.1 dropped from etch ?
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05:37<chealer>padski: there's already 5.0
05:37<nd>w00ter: You could try to debuild the package from sarge on etch if there are dependency problems and prevent it from upgrading then.
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05:38<njende>Hi there! I am trying to get a Huawei UMTS Box connected. Basically I followed the instructions given on Now I change a fair bit the ppp-prep and ppp-prep-nopin script, which I'll upload in a min to a paste server. However a pppd call ppp nodetach gives me ath the end a Connect script failed and as yet I havent got a clue why. Maybe, hopefully one of you will have an idea
05:38<padski>chealer: that was the maintainer's statement on the matter ?
05:39<w00ter>nd: debuild? To advanced for my Linux knowledge. I think i'll have a shot first on the tarbal thingy
05:39<chealer>padski: what do you mean. you can check by yourself, it's the default version.
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05:39<nd>w00ter: Or dpkg-buildpackage.
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05:40<w00ter>ok, so i download the .deb for sarge, and then i do <......> and then dpkg-buildpackage <....> ?
05:40<w00ter>the <...> indicate missing knowledge :P
05:40<lupine_85>no, you want the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz
05:41<lupine_85>(source package)
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05:41<w00ter>I'm sorry lupine_, but i lost you at .dsc
05:42<lupine_85>Debian SourCe package
05:42<nd>w00ter: apt-get source mysql-server-4.1 && cd mysql-server && dpkg-buildpackage
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05:43<nd>adding a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list before
05:43<lupine_85>note that -server-5 conflicts with -server-4, though
05:43<lupine_85>if you do it nd's was, apt-get -b source mysql-server-4.1 does it all-in-1
05:43<lupine_85>(you'll need to apt-get build-deps mysql-server-4.1 too)
05:44<w00ter>ok, but won;t it automaticly crab 5.0 again from the repos?
05:44<lupine_85>well, no. they're seperate packages
05:44<lupine_85>you'll need to uninstall 5 before you can install 4 though
05:45<w00ter>i did a apt-get remove mysql-server-4.1 , but something tells me thats not all i should do to remove it
05:45<w00ter>or is that sufficiant ?
05:46<w00ter>ah ye
05:46<w00ter>apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0
05:46<lupine_85>eh, it should work. you might want to drop mysql-common and mysql-client too
05:46<w00ter>excelent, thats done
05:46<w00ter>so now get the sources 'n stuff
05:47<padski>chealer: I mean: I expect the maintainer didn't make no statement at all on the subject. I wouldn't be surprised if it were more interesting (and less glib) than "there's 5 already", although I grant you it may well come down to that. it might have some bearing on how you install mysql4.1 on etch.
05:47<lupine_85>add deb-src <your sarge mirror here> to source.list, apt-get update, then as above
05:47<w00ter>oooh, a sarge mirror
05:47<w00ter>hang on :P
05:47<padski>or, for that matter, whether you go down that path at all.
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05:48<w00ter>was lookin for an deb-src edge mirror ;)
05:48<chealer>padski: it's not glib. if a newer version works well, you don't maintain an old one for fun.
05:48<njende_>Now here is the ppp-prep script
05:48<lupine_85>any sarge or etch deb mirror is also a deb-src mirror
05:49<padski>chealer: w00ters problem concerns a bug introduced in 5.0
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05:50<w00ter>lupine_ - should i first remove the Etch sources in source.list ? Cause i'm not getting file errors
05:50<njende_>Noone there who has got experience with UMTS USB-Boxes?
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05:51<padski>njende_: not on linux :-(
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05:52<njende_>padski: its a pain :-(
05:53<chealer>padski: yes...there are always regressions in a new upstream version of huge codebases like that. we don't keep all versions anyway.
05:53<padski>njende_: is it one of those ... what are they called ... chinese name ...
05:54<njende_>padski: yep, it's a HUAWEI E220 ...
05:54<chealer>s/upstream version/major upstream version/
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05:54<w00ter>Err sarge/main mysql-dfsg-4.1 4.1.11a-4sarge7 (dsc)
05:54<w00ter>Could not open file mysql-dfsg-4.1_4.1.11a-4sarge7.dsc - open (2 No such file or directory)
05:55<w00ter>Im gettin these errors no matter what source i use
05:55<padski>njende_: that's them.
05:55<njende_>padski: them = dont work kinda well?
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05:57<padski>njende_: like a white pebble
05:57<njende_>padski: yep
05:58<padski>njende_: I've only seen them working under windows, but this looks promissing:
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06:04<padski>chealer: there were at least two versions in sarge, 4.0 and 4.1 and that was only a minor release
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06:06<w00ter>ok, screw the sources, i downloaded the files manually
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06:08<padski>w00ter: FYI:
06:08<w00ter>padski - thanks fo rthe link
06:09<padski>w00ter: I thought it was interesting, even if it is old
06:09<w00ter>padski - can u help me thought with the 4.1 install? I downloaded those 3 packages manually, cause i get an error when i try to get em trough apt-get, i put em in /usr/src/ , what should i do next to build em ?
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06:10<padski>w00ter: If it were me I would not be in such a hurry to build and maintain my own mysql4 binaries
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06:11<w00ter>padski - ye, but the issue is, i know little about Linux, and what i do know, are bits of Linux and MySQL, enough to be able to maintain the RT install, PG is really going to be an issue for me to learn on short term
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06:12<padski>w00ter: at the very least it would make sense to clarify the source of the info about the problem, eta on a fix, etc.
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06:14<w00ter>I'm kinda bound to a time limit here :( So im afraid thats not an option. Would it be possible for you to help me a bit more on the 4.1 install? From there i can pretty much manage
06:14<padski>w00ter: I take it apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get -b src foo no work ?
06:15<w00ter>padski - no, it refuses to download the packages, let me past the errors in a pastbin, hang on
06:15<w00ter> - this is what i get
06:15<w00ter>tried several sources
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06:16<alexandre>salut y'a til des francais?
06:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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06:19<nd>w00ter: rt-3.6.5 is not too slow in my test environment on etch with mysql-5. Maybe it's not worth the hassle unless you indeed have millions of rows in your db.
06:20<seanius>w00ter: why not just try the binary tarball
06:21<seanius>or better, why not just use 5.0 if "you're in a hurry atm", and later, if it's a problem, downgrade to a 4.1 database
06:21<padski>w00ter: download works from me from
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06:23<w00ter>seanius - its a bit of an issue, it should be pretty much '1st time right'
06:23<chealer>padski: minor is relative...there was more time between 4.0 and 4.1 than between 4.1 and 5.0
06:24<padski>w00ter: I still think you'd be better off looking before you leap, but I wish you luck. I can't promise to hold your hand all the way through the build, but I may help if I'm around.
06:25<seanius>4.1 is actually closer to 5.0 and 4.0 IME
06:25<seanius>w00ter: "1st time right" and "I'm in a rush" are conflicting statements
06:26<w00ter>ye tell me about it :P
06:27<seanius>if 5.0 isn't an option, than like i've said a couple times the fastest (and least error prone) way to get going is to take the binary tarball from mysql
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06:28<w00ter>sh: dpkg-source: command not found
06:28<w00ter>google 4tw
06:29<nd>install build-essential
06:30<padski>w00ter: apt-get build-dep foo
06:34<w00ter>aight, so it downloaded it
06:34<w00ter>and did an attempt, but got stuck here;
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06:36<w00ter>ah well, i manually changed the directory name to mysql-server
06:37<padski>w00ter: interesting. I did 'apt-get -b source mysql-dfsg-4.1' and got Build command ‘cd mysql-dfsg-4.1-4.1.11a && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc’ failed. (cos I haven't installed the dependencies).
06:37<w00ter>but then i ran into a whole lot of dependancy issues :(
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06:42<seanius>like i said...
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06:42<w00ter>almost there, fixing the dependancy issues :P
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06:44<padski>w00ter: I'm not sure what will happen with dependencies if you install a mysql-dfsg-4.1 on etch. maybe nothing bad.
06:44<seanius>yeah wtf do i know. it's not like i have any experience with mysql packages in debian or anything
06:44<padski>seanius: lol
06:45<seanius>have fun
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06:47<w00ter>seanius - just tryin my best to figure this shit out, your help is much appriciated, just running down the options one by one
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06:50<padski>w00ter: if (as the page you referenced says) best practical aren't happy about debian as an rt implementation, and your running into so much trouble, might you be better with a different linux for this specific task ?
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06:50<w00ter>i actually don't know if its an debian specific issue
06:52<padski>w00ter: but maybe you could get a good recommendation upstream. all assuming this is a system that is built around the one app.
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06:53<seanius>theyu're probably not happy with the rt packaging job in debian, or don't like having to support people who don't have the latest version from their site
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06:54<brandon>what's better... xchat or xchat-gnome
06:54<padski>seanius: well then they should file a bug! ;-)
06:55<nd>w00ter: "mysql5.0 optimizer has serious issues" is not really a statement without any reference to an upstream bug or something IMHO. I can't even find any related infos on the rt-users mailinglist.
06:55<padski>nd: yeah, I gave up on that after a few googles
06:56<w00ter>ok, so maybe its fair to assume it might actually just work propperly on MySQL 5 ?
06:56<lupine_85>certainly worth a try
06:56<padski>w00ter: proof of the pudding ...
06:56<lupine_85>of course, Real Men Use PostgreSQL
06:56[~]w00ter is a crossdresser
06:57<w00ter>ok, so thanks for the help so far, i'll just setup an install on 5.0 and see were she ship lands
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07:20<Yuscha>guten morgen
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07:40<fabrizio>ciao a tutti
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07:51<robertalima>tudo bem?
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08:05<joxzank>i configure mail server to check body email
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08:09<joxzank>i add to body_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/body_checks
08:09<joxzank>and create /etc/postfix/body_checks
08:09<joxzank>and than add syntax to body_checks like this /^forbiden$/ REJECT
08:09<joxzank>and reload postfix
08:10<joxzank>but not block email with body fill like that
08:10<joxzank>what must i do
08:11<joxzank>can anyone help me pleasssssssss
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08:28<padski>joxzank: there seems to be a #postfix channel on several irc networks, perhaps try there
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08:34<S3v3N>Which CD's do i need to have to install debian system if i don't have choice to have internet during installation?
08:34<jm_>that would largely depend on what you want to install
08:34<S3v3N>Debian system
08:34<S3v3N>With updates
08:34<jm_>there's shitloads of stuff in Debian, you'll have to be more specific
08:35<jm_>!cd contents
08:35<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
08:35<jm_>that might help
08:35<DanDare>S3v3N, the first etch DVD will install the base system
08:35<DanDare>with everything you need to configure internet and make post setups
08:36<jm_>well if you go for DVD it should have more stuff than you'll need for a while
08:36<DanDare>well, you asked CD
08:36<S3v3N>that one DanDare ?
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08:39<DanDare>SSV3N, YES
08:39<DanDare>ouch caps
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08:40<S3v3N>i don't know what is going on, never dhcp autoconfigurate during the setup
08:40<DanDare>the first etch DVD contains xorg and everything you need about X and windowmanagers to choose?
08:40<S3v3N>now i tried again and it autoconfigurate, wtf?
08:41<S3v3N>what is going on with my computer lol strange...
08:41<DanDare>S3v3N, the machine is in some LAN?
08:41<S3v3N>i have modem -> switch -> on switch connected 3 computers
08:41<S3v3N>one of them is debian which im installing it right now
08:41<S3v3N>never autoconfigurate didn't work through switch but now does
08:42<DanDare>so the installer DHCP autoconfiguration recognized and configurated your ethernet card?
08:42<DanDare>this is good isnt?
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08:42<S3v3N>it is, but why before did not
08:42<S3v3N>i tried many times and it didnt its very strange
08:42<DanDare>before did not on etch installation?
08:42<S3v3N>everytime i needed to use router to configuratte that
08:43<S3v3N>but now router is damaged or something, now router does not want to connect to the modem
08:43<S3v3N>this is strange :P
08:44<DanDare>dude, dealing with computers and such lot of strange things happens time by times imo
08:45<DanDare>so we need to research things to make these things no more strange ones
08:45<DanDare>but sometimes its really strange hahahha
08:45<S3v3N>yes i know computers are very strange
08:45<S3v3N>yes dude listen to this one time my computer didn't worked we all know, motherboard doesn't work...
08:46<S3v3N>then i was looking motherboard and i saw something on it, i just cleaned it
08:46<S3v3N>wait a lil bit
08:46<S3v3N>and turn on computer again and it worked
08:46<S3v3N>i was like wtf :D
08:47<damien>damn i cant get openssh to work..
08:47<lupine_85>so you had a short, and removed it, and it worked again. Gee, that's surprising
08:48<DanDare>some types of dust can be eletric conductor
08:48<S3v3N>i think on chipset was something
08:48<S3v3N>i just clean that shit and it worked
08:48<S3v3N>cleaned dude i cleaned with water
08:49<damien>Do i need a reboot after installing openssh?
08:49<lupine_85>damien: you shouldn'ty
08:49<lupine_85>just run /etc/init.d/ssh start
08:49<DanDare>someone know if there´s any etch process that executes find command by default? o.O
08:49<jm_>it's part of updatedb
08:49<damien>lupine_85: i have done that...
08:49<damien>Thanks anyways :)
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08:49<jm_>i.e. started as a cron job
08:49<lupine_85>and the error message (if any) was...?
08:50<DanDare>yeah, i did ps -A and find updatedb
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08:50<DanDare>its ok so, i started getting worried about someone´s inside my box
08:51<DanDare>hmm, i need install ntpdate on here just for sure
08:51<damien>lupine_85: well thats the strange part.. The file or the cat dosent exist.
08:52<lupine_85>that... makes no sense to me
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08:52<seanius>schroedingers cat
08:52<damien>but, /var/run/sshd
08:52<DanDare>i always get paranoid if nothing is being done but the HD starts to work a lot
08:52<damien>Does exsist
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08:53<DanDare>it means i need to study more about linux security
08:53<lupine_85>no, paranoia is good
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09:03<damien>i dont got the commando "run"
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09:05<damien>thats maybe why
09:05<damien>strange shit happens
09:05<damien>debian :/
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09:09<kon>i installed libapache2-svn and when i try to load the authz_svn module there are unresolved symbols. when listing the modules, mod_authz_svn has another creation date than the other modules. is there a way how i can check if this module comes from the debian libapache2-svn package?
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09:12<lupine_85>kon: dpkg -L libapache2-svn to see the files installed by it
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09:15<jm_>and dpkg -S to find package owning file (if it's installed -- "/msg dpkg search" otherwise)
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09:20<kon>ok, that file is listed in the "installed files by this package" but is there a way so i can make sure it really IS that file? like a checksum or something like that..
09:20<jm_>apt-cache show debsums
09:20<kon>great, thanks
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09:22<DanDare>apt will calculate checksum of files while installing
09:22<DanDare>im wrong?
09:23<jm_>unless there's some fancy new feature in apt you ar eindeed wrong
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09:23<DanDare>ok, im saying cause i had trouble while using etch DVD 3, apt said something about wrong checksum of files r sumthing
09:23<jm_>ahh that's for packages
09:24<DanDare>yeah, while installing packages
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09:24<jm_>!secure apt
09:24<dpkg>secure apt is probably
09:25<dpkg>signatures is, like, echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
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09:25<jm_>can be specified on command line too
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09:27<DanDare>"Conectiva implemented something similar in their fork of APT."
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09:28<DanDare>nice, i used Conectiva some time ago.. Seems they are a bit inactive these days :(
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09:29<Aleric>How do I reconfigure an installed package again?
09:29<DanDare>dpkg-reconfigure ?
09:29<Aleric>Oh yeah
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09:31<afed_>debian gnu/linux
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09:34<kon>debsums tells /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ is OK, but when i load the module there are unresolved symbols. all apache2 stuff has been installed via aptitude.
09:34<jm_>did you check BTS?
09:34<kon>also i made sure that authz_svn is loaded after dav_svn
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09:36<kon>nothing found similar to this (version 1.4.4dfsg1-1)
09:36<S3v3N>Maybe not a debian question but anyway, what's the difference in psybnc 2.3.2-5 and 2.3.2-7, 2.3.2-7 is beta 2.3.2-5 not, but what's the difference, which one is more stable, etc..?
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09:38<Supaplex>S3v3N: no idea at present, but if you download the sources, you can inspect the differences with diff -Nur path1/ path2/
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09:53<w00ter>S3v3N - i run 2.3.2-5, and never experianced any problem whatsoever
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09:54<jthomas>I have Jave 1.4 and 1.5 (5) installed on my system, but neither Firefox nor Konqueror can see it at this website: Any suggestions?
09:57<w00ter>u know btw, a default install attempt on Debian Etch 4.01 makes the installer stall when u select nothing more then a base system. it downloads all packages, and then just doesn't continue. I can only install when selecting no packages to install
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09:57<S3v3N>w00ter: thank, i have installed 2.3.2-5 too because it not beta, all other new versions are beta ;)
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09:58<sheldonh>jthomas: do you have the -plugin package installed? (e.g. sun-java5-plugin)
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09:59<jthomas>not sure, thanks, let me check
09:59<jthomas>nope, I didn't -- thanks!
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10:09<jthomas>sheldonh: nope the plugin didn't fix it
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10:11<jthomas>trying the java6 plugin now
10:12<jthomas>still, no in FF
10:12<matthewpoer>I'm trying to write a small program in C that detects wheather OOo is running, and if not it will load it. Does anyone know enough C that they can review my code?
10:13<jthomas>and no in Konqueror
10:16<sheldonh>jthomas: pretty sure that's all i had to do, install that package. if you fire up firefox from the command-line, perhaps you'll get useful diagnostics?
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10:17<jthomas>maybe. when i manually located Java (/usr/bin/java) in Konqueror, it worked. I'l play with FF now, thanks again.
10:17<sheldonh>jthomas: hmmm, actually, you may need to go into Konqueror's settings, select Plugins and click "Scan for new plugins". and under Java, make sure "Enable Java globally" is checked.
10:17<sheldonh>ah, good
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10:19<lupine_85>why on earth would someone do that in C?
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10:22<harpal>anyone tell me whats difference between --append-to-version and --append_to_version in make-kpkg options
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10:24<padski>w00ter: man reportbug :-)
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10:35<sheldonh>harpal: no difference
10:35<sheldonh>harpal: when a manual page puts multiple options above a description like that, it means they're option aliases
10:36<padski>sheldonh: surely, one has - and the other has _ ;-)
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10:45<DTE>hi all
10:45<DTE>i have to install a new dns server
10:46<DTE>is it better bind or powerdns?
10:48<lupine_85>bind ftw
10:48[~]lupine_85 always uses bind9
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10:50<iamtravis>hello, I was just remembering an error i had when installing a package at installation saying that I had no /swap partition, I just did a mount and none is listed - there's an fstab swap entry with no mount point, any ideas about this?
10:50<DTE>i use bind too right now, but i heard many people using pdns
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10:50<marko>hey i have problem installing vlc, i'm using lenny apt-get says that there is no installation candidate
10:52<lupine_85>marko: looks like it isn't in testing at the moment
10:52<lupine_85>it is in sid, though
10:52<marko>oh, how can i go ahead and install the sid version?
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10:53<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
10:53<lupine_85>see that webpage
10:53<lupine_85>ping sid below lenny, then apt-get install vlc
10:53<lupine_85>erm, pin, not ping :D
10:54<marko>hehe oki
10:56<iamtravis>/dev/sda7 13756 14503 6008278+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris is the fdisk -l output so it's there, but it's not mounted anywhere
10:56<lupine_85>iamtravis: it's swap. swapon /dev/sda7
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10:56<lupine_85>it doesn't get "mounted" anywhere
10:57<iamtravis>ah, ok thanks
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11:02<iamtravis>I'm trying to get a different interface for compiling this kernel besides the question/answer one and each of the other gives me something similar to make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck', needed by `scripts/kconfig/qconf.o'. Stop. --- which packages do i need to install to run the xconfig/gconfig/menuconfig options?
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11:06<Aleric>Output from mplayer:
11:06<Aleric>AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 64.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 8000->88200)
11:07<Aleric>Does that s16le mean 16 bit per sample per channel?
11:07<pumpkin0>Aleric: stereo, 16 bit and little endian.
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11:09<Aleric>pumpkin0: Thanks, I'm trying to get transcode to produce the same output as what youtube uses ;)
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11:09<Aleric>A main problem is that my webcam doesn't produce the needed 29.97 fps ... It should be able to imho - I don't get what is the problem.
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11:10<Aleric>I only get 10 fps (at 384x288)
11:11<pumpkin0>Aleric: doesn't youTube autoonvert stuff you upload anyway ...
11:11<Aleric>Yes, but if you want the best quality you better do that yourself before uploading.
11:11<Aleric>They use a method that is cpu friendly ;)
11:12<iamtravis>make --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 xconfig and make xconfig --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 don't work to include the qt3 libraries like i thought the .tmp_qtcheck files were about
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11:12<pumpkin0>Aleric: most, but not all cheap webcams autoadjust the fps to the brightness of the object they see. bright => short exposure time => high fps. dark => longer exposure time => low fps. Test outside .?
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11:18<jeremiah>heh, sorry. :(
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11:18<jeremiah>Is there any way to install mailx _without_ installing exim?
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11:19<valdyn>jeremiah: sure
11:19<valdyn>jeremiah: why would mailx depend on exim?
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11:19<jeremiah>valdyn: Not sure why, but apt-get only installs mailx _with_ exim.
11:19<valdyn>jeremiah: why are you trying to have a debian system without an mta?
11:20<jeremiah>Well, I have an MTA.
11:20<valdyn>jeremiah: which is? something not from debian?
11:20<jeremiah>I want _just_ mailx to go with my MTA.
11:20<jeremiah>No, it is exim, but I have compiled it from source.
11:20<valdyn>jeremiah: silly
11:20<valdyn>jeremiah: you need to have an mta installed
11:20<jeremiah>valdyn: No, not at all silly. Smart.
11:21<valdyn>jeremiah: if you circumvent debian package management by installing custom exim from source
11:21<jeremiah>I know, I know.
11:21<jeremiah>But lots of people do it because Haber and Metzler are so hard to deal with.
11:21<valdyn>jeremiah: then you need an 'empty' package installed to satisfy the dependency on 'mail-transport-agent' that quite a few debian packages have
11:22<valdyn>jeremiah: so '/msg dpkg equivs'
11:22<jeremiah>will do
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11:22<valdyn>jeremiah: you should actually be missing cron now too, i dont know if that is intended or not.
11:22<valdyn>!info cron
11:23<dpkg>cron: (management of regular background processing), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-100 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 296 kB
11:23<valdyn>jeremiah: Haber and Metzler is who? the exim4 maintainers ?
11:23<jeremiah>valdyn: Yes, they are the maintainers.
11:24<valdyn>jeremiah: does debians exim4 deviate alot from upstream?
11:24<jeremiah>valdyn: Yes. A huge amount.
11:24<jeremiah>valdyn: And recently there was a gratuitous configuration change which killed my mail server.
11:24<jeremiah>I will never run the packaged one again.
11:25<padski>jeremiah: in stable ?
11:25<valdyn>jeremiah: i would have recommended you do create 'real' exim4 debian packages, from source, no idea how hard that is with what the debian exim4 maintainers provide
11:25<iamtravis>which is the kernel source code package for 2.6.18-5-amd64 ?
11:25<jeremiah>padski: Yes, in stable.
11:25<valdyn>iamtravis: what do you really need?
11:25<iamtravis>i need to get my soundcard working
11:26<valdyn>iamtravis: why do you think you need a kernel source for that?
11:26<padski>jeremiah: do you have the bug number handy (or etched into your memory) ?
11:26<iamtravis>and it needs a configured and made kernel source tree to install
11:26<valdyn>iamtravis: is that an alsa driver or what is it?
11:26<jeremiah>valdyn: Hmm. That sounds doable, the maintainers keep the project in a decent shape, they just configure exim in a really really different way.
11:26<valdyn>iamtravis: no it shouldnt need a complete source tree - therefore my questions
11:26<jeremiah>padski: Let me go look . . .
11:27<padski>jeremiah: thanks
11:27<iamtravis>it does.. i had the source code in the /usr/linux directory with a randomly made .config file and that didn't do the trick, there was another later on in the directory tree it needed
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11:27<valdyn>iamtravis: ok, an alsa driver
11:27<cassio>i'm having a problem with d-i and my mirror... can anyone help me?
11:27<iamtravis>alsa doesn't support this card
11:27<valdyn>iamtravis: go with 'aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
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11:27<valdyn>iamtravis: its an alsa driver, read.
11:28<valdyn>iamtravis: its not shipped with current alsa i guess, true.
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11:28<cassio>i'm having a problem with d-i and my mirror... can anyone help me?
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11:28<petemc>jeremiah: do you have an issue with how the exim binary is compiled?
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11:29<valdyn>jeremiah: different how?
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11:29<valdyn>jeremiah: debian supports 2 configuration styles, fyi
11:29<iamtravis>well the script that came with it sure gave me a headache, i had to edit out 2 parts of it just to get to the part where it says i don't have the proper kernel files installed
11:29<valdyn>iamtravis: that's alright, the package i named above should provide all you need
11:30<jeremiah>valdyn: It supports 3, according to the docs, but they all might change at any minute based on past practices.
11:30<petemc>debians exim ships with the default config that comes with the tarball in /usr/share/doc/ , you just need to copy that to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf to use the default exim config
11:30<jeremiah>petemc: No, no issue at all. Just with how the configuration changes, making the binary not work.
11:31<petemc>jeremiah: i use it on lots of machines with my own config, no issues with it breaking
11:31<interbird>cassio: what is d-i, debian-installer ?
11:31<interbird>and what is the problem?
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11:31<jeremiah>petemc: I should have done it that way, but I used the debian single config. And when it changed to version 4.67-3, my configuration stopped working.
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11:32<cassio>when i'm building the installer, i get an md5sum mismatch error with my mirror
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11:32<petemc>jeremiah: you have less reason to complain when using something other than stable..
11:32<jeremiah>The docs talk about it in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian
11:33<interbird>you are building the installer from source ?
11:33<iamtravis>well it got through the checking phase of the installer then it started failing at /tmp/xfisrc/src/ossrv/../../ .depend: No such file or directory
11:33<jeremiah>petemc: fair enough. I suppose ultimately it is my fault since it is my machine. But I think a little bit of warning would have helped.
11:33<petemc>its hard to be all things to all men
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11:34<jeremiah>True, and in general, the exim4 package is great software.
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11:34<seanius>cassio if you are having a problem with *building* the installer, you might be able to get better answers on #debian-boot or whereever the d-i team hang out
11:34<jeremiah>So, while I am frustrated, I can really only blame myself. Though I am lazy and like to blame others. :)
11:35<cassio>seanius, i already asked there, but nobody answered me :'(
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11:35<iamtravis>/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/build/include/linux/jiffies.h:33:3: error: #error You lose.
11:36<iamtravis>lol, what do i do?
11:36<padski>jeremiah: if the bug is in upgrading from the etch to the lenny package, then it is all the more important that it is reported and fixed.
11:36<cassio>interbird, yes, i am
11:36<george>cassio: I'm confused... how does building d-i have something to do with your mirror?
11:37<interbird>cassio: did you try another mirror?
11:37<cassio>george, d-i is using my mirror because i added some packages that i created
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11:38<george>ok, is d-i one of those? (since you're building it)
11:39<cassio>well, yes... you could say so...
11:39<george>well, meaning: are you uploading your build of d-i to that mirror?
11:40<cassio>is there a d-i file that checks the md5sums of my Packages.bz2??
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11:40<cassio>no, i'm building d-i with my mirror's packages
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11:41<george>including the d-i sources, gcc, make, binutils, maybe debhelper, etc
11:41<Aleric>pumpkin0: I read the transcoder man page... It turns out they prefer using "-x v4l2" while the gv4l application (a GUI to transcoder) was using "-x v4l". I now get a little more information from transcode, but this is still weird:
11:41<Aleric>[]: receiving 25 frames / sec
11:41<Aleric>encoding frames [000000-000099], 10.11 fps, EMT: 0:00:09, ( 0| 0| 0)
11:41<Aleric>I wonder why it's encoding at 10.11 fps when receiving 25 :/
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11:43<george>it's slower to encode than to receive?
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11:43<pumpkin0>Aleric: i still guess the webcam cannot deliver a constant fpsrate. It starts optimistic and goes down afterwards. Try something bright like a light bulb.
11:43<iamtravis>valdyn: it got through the checking part and then crashed through the rest, any other ideas?
11:44<george>cassio: is this md5sum thing -preventing- anything?
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11:44<cassio>well, the build process crashes after the md5sum mismatch error
11:45<george>does the build process include a transfer of some packages from the mirror?
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11:46<Aleric>pumpkin0: Makes no difference. I think something is telling it to do 10 fps.
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11:47<Aleric>[]: video grabbing, driver = pwc, card = Philips 740 webcam
11:47<Aleric>[]: VIDIOC_S_FMT: : Invalid argument
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11:48<Aleric>It detects the correct webcam... but a lot of other things go wrong there :/
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11:48<Aleric>[]: driver does not support setting parameters (ioctl(VIDIOC_S_PARM) returns "Invalid argument")
11:48<Aleric>[]: unknown TV std, defaulting to 50 Hz field rate
11:48<george>I'm just trying to understand :) I built d-i once, and never came across this problem
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11:48<george>the problem I had was writing it to a cd... never got around to that :)
11:49<cassio>it was working... but with official mirrors
11:49<cassio>but i need those packages
11:49<george>don't you have them?
11:50<cassio>yes, but i have to use the local mirror to "insert" them
11:51<george>one thing I'm not understanding, is: if you have your own packages, why not serve -just- those packages, and have apt sources for that mirror -and- for some official mirror
11:51<george>but additionally, there should be a way to create the proper md5sum file for the local mirror
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11:52<george>perhaps involving the program md5sums :)
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11:53<Aleric>I wrote something about setting up your own local apt "server" for local packages...
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11:55<george>right now I don't know about this part of mirror structure... but unless I miss my -guess-, this is a matter of getting the md5sum for this Packages.gz file and putting it in the right place
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11:57<cassio>yes, but where is the right place??
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12:00<kop>Why does, e.g, "find /var/run/ -print0 | xargs -0 echo" output everything on one line? I'd expect echo to end each line in \n. It seems like xargs is ignoring -0. I'm running etch. Is there something wrong with xargs?
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12:01<george>kop: man find, look for -print0; man xargs, look for -0
12:01<kop>george: And?
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12:02<kop>george: I did that. That's why I'm here.
12:02<george>oh, ok... so the question becomes: would the echo run once per find result, or once for all the results
12:03<kop>george: Yes. I expect xargs to run echo for each argument supplied on stdin.
12:03<george>and I guess the answer to that question involves understanding xargs
12:04<kop>george: Obviously, I'm missing something.
12:04<george>try this: echo a b c | xargs echo
12:04<george>try this: echo a b c | xargs -1 echo
12:04[~]george tries them too, to make sure I'm thinking straight
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12:05<george>the second one is erroring... the first one is running echo once
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12:06<kop>george: Yeah. I thought the whole point of xargs was to repeatedly execute commands, once for each thing input.
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12:07<george>I thought it was to take what's coming in as stdin and feeding it as argument to the thing after xargs
12:07<kop>george: The example given in "man xargs", " cut -d: -f1 < /etc/passwd | sort | xargs echo" does not appear to work either.
12:08<petemc>you can use |while read ; do foo
12:08<kop>george: Or maybe it does. Maybe xargs is doing the opposite of what I think it should.
12:08<petemc>xargs bungs them all together y default
12:08<george>got it.
12:08<george>try this: echo a b c | xargs -n 1 echo
12:09<kop>petemc: I'm always afraid of read. What I'm trying to do, ultimately, is remove trailing whitespace from a whole directory tree with names that contain imbedded whitespace.
12:09<george>so now you should see that it does both
12:09<kop>george: yeah.
12:10<george>at your option even :)
12:10<iamtravis>if anybody could help with this driver I posted the failed install here -> I don't know what it needs
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12:10<kop>george, petemc : Thanks for the help.
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12:14<kop>There. This does the trick: find "$1" -depth -name '* ' -print0 | xargs -n 1 -0 perl -e '$f = $ARGV[0];' -e '$f =~ s/ *$//;' -e 'exec ("mv", $ARGV[0], $f );'
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12:15<kop>It took an annoyingly long time to come up with. I was having shell kniptions.
12:15<george>you should have asked in #shellkniption!
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12:19<blarson>kop: you could probably use rename rather than all that perl. (rename is a perl script)
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12:25<kop>blarson: Humm. Yes. It looks like it does what I want. I tried it and it works. Good call.
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12:29<hrishi>hi, i am running debian etch and am trying to change the bootsplash image
12:29<hrishi>but unable to do that, can somebody help
12:30<fxiny>i use both rename and renameutils
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12:33<kop>fxiny: It's just sad shell is so broken it's not painless to script due to whitespace, quotes, and other "special" characters.
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12:35<fxiny>kop: we all love whitespaces and crap characters , don't we ? :)
12:37<fxiny>kop: today on my gnome etch terminal mc showed me for a couple of minutes japanees f*grams ! i went totally mad
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12:38<iamtravis>ok I asked on #creative what's needed to install these files and the guy pointed out that it needs 32 bit headers and gcc3 , do any of you know which headers I should use and where to get gcc3?
12:38<fxiny>so i removed maually most of the locales and later on i discoverd some "localepurge" already packaged
12:38<fxiny>over a 100Mb recovered :)
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12:39<grummund>Hi, can someone explain to me why this script needs to make 2 runs with rsync? -
12:40<grummund>(it's intended to rsync a debian mirror)
12:41<padski>grummund: I would guess that it want to be sure some stuff is done after some other stuff
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12:41<grummund>heh.yeah... like what? ;-)
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12:41<padski>grummund: metadata
12:41<fxiny>i see a line : # First sync /pool
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12:42[~]grummund sees that too
12:42<padski>fxiny: exactly
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12:43<grummund>first it syncs just /pool, and then the entire repo (including /pool)
12:43<grummund>question is why?
12:43<grummund>or put another way... what might break if the first rsync was skipped?
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12:45<padski>grummund: if there would have been an error return from the first sync ...
12:45<fxiny>maybe double check if "Archive-Update-in-Progress" is finished
12:46<fxiny>anyway is interesting
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12:47<grummund>maybe there is some problem if someone comes and tries to use the mirror it is creating...
12:47<padski>grummund: there are some cvs stuff at the top ?
12:47<grummund>if the meta data is there but /pool hasn't been sync'd yet?
12:50<grummund>ah that could be useful...
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12:51<iamtravis>gcc3 package debian in google gives nothing direct and i don't know which 32 bit headers to install since I'm on a 64 bit system with gcc4.x installed, could anybody please point me in the right direction?
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12:52<iamtravis>#creative on freenode is not answering me and #alsa tells me to go to #creative so I don't know where to go
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12:54<iamtravis>this is for installation of the creative xfi drivers
12:54<dfg>is there a way to improve sound on linux ?
12:55<iamtravis>there is a line in the failed output saying #
12:55<iamtravis>/usr/include/asm/rwsem.h:8:3: error: #error This header is not available for x86_64
12:55<fxiny>dfg: yes : follow me , play Mozart :)
12:56<dfg>no but serious
12:56<dfg>the only reason I don't get rid of win is crappy sound on my penguin
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12:57<iamtravis>i don't have a cd player besides my discman and my computer, so i'm hoping to get this driver going :)
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12:58<Slackware>any help folks ?
12:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:58<fxiny>iamtravis: don't know what exactly you are doing .see
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12:59<Slackware>is there any girls in this chanel ?
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12:59<Slackware>just for stats
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13:00<fxiny>can't believe it
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13:00<cassio>fixed the md5sums mismatch
13:01<cassio>new error
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13:01<george>cassio: what did you do to fix that part?
13:01<cassio>updated the Release file of my mirror :p
13:02<george>which has md5sums in it?
13:02<grummund>padski: looks like the script used to sync /pool then all other stuff (i can kinda understand that), then someone changed it to sync /pool in the second pass too -
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13:02<cassio>but now d-i is not copying the files to it's apt.udeb/cache/archives dir..
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13:04<padski>grummund: looks like they moved the delete of files that have been removed until after the metadata is updates ?
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13:04<sasha>hi , did somebody manage to get the new ati driver + aixgl + compiz-fusion working on debian
13:05<padski>and it corresponds to a hike in rsync version required
13:05<iamtravis>fxiny do you know how i'd use the ldd command on a ./installer script?
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13:06<grummund>padski: yeah that makes sense
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13:08<fickfrosch>huhu hausen
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13:09<hausen>hi frosch
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13:09<hausen>wir brauchen mal einen eigenen channel...
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13:09<fickfrosch>Ja, ibm hat den channel ja auch wiederentdeckt.
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13:10<fickfrosch>Scheibt zumindest computer bllöd
13:10<iamtravis>I'm trying to get the creative XFi drivers installed on a x86_64 bit etch release, i had to change a few things in the installation script so far, and install the headers for the kernel - and it still won't go. *(the README says to have the configured source code and alsa which i want to use for the device driver) - after doin that i tried the installer and got a failed message - which tells me i need to install 32 bit hea
13:10<iamtravis>ders and gcc3 , I can't use the ldd command on the ./installer script
13:10<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:11<fickfrosch>join hausen
13:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:13<patricio>sasha: you got an ati video card?
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13:18<tanjix2>hello together
13:18<tanjix2>when apt-get reports me errors like
13:18<tanjix2>dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libnet-ssleay-perl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
13:18<tanjix2>what can i do?
13:18<padski>what is redo in vim ?
13:19<george>there's undo in vim?
13:20<padski>been meaning to learn that for years :-)
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13:24<iamtravis>ok, i tried installing the aptitude install ia32-libs , and running the installer again, but it's still displaying this error - /usr/include/asm/rwsem.h:8:3: error: #error This header is not available for x86_64
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13:25<aptituz>tanjix2: i believe I read your nick a while ago. *wonder*
13:25<iamtravis>this is getting nuts, it's supposed to be built for 64 bits and requires all these 32 bit files and runs a guy in circles
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13:26<tanjix2>aptituz: ??
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13:26<aptituz>tanjix2: aren't you working for star hosting?
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13:26<aptituz>i think I were in contact some years ago
13:27<tanjix2>aptituz: yes i am
13:27<aptituz>btw. did you delete files from /var/lib/dpkg?
13:27<tanjix2>aptituz: no
13:28<aptituz>because /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list is the place where the file lists for installed packages are installed
13:28<tanjix2>aptituz: yes, but i did not delete anything there :(
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13:28<tanjix2>aptituz: any way to restore missing files?
13:29<aptituz>I don't actually know what dpkg does if it does not have a file list, but it will not be much. so probably you want to check if further packages are missing its filelist
13:29<george>from a backup you made, for one
13:29<tanjix2>not available
13:29<tanjix2>not for dpkg hehe
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13:29<aptituz>you could reinstall the package
13:29<george>hmm, dang, have to figure out another way...
13:29<tanjix2>i treid that
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13:29<tanjix2>does nto work due to same error
13:30<aptituz>maybe with purging it before, or manual installlation (dpkg -i packagename.deb)
13:30<george>do you have the .deb
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13:30<tanjix2>aptituz: purginf also soes not work, same error.
13:30<aptituz>I cannot tell, because I never ran into such problems. But I would try to install it with dpkg -i followed by the debfile
13:30<tanjix2>george: unfortunately no
13:30<george>wel it's actually pkgname_version_arch.deb
13:31<george>so it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives
13:31<aptituz>george: i consider packagname.deb to be replaced by whatever he downloads
13:31<tanjix2>george: no as i ran apt-get clean before
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13:32<george>aptituz: well ok, but if they're paying attention to the details then that's a mislead
13:32<george>something.deb would be better :)
13:32<george>then there's no detail to pay attention to :)
13:32<killer>what is the best personel firewall in debian
13:32<aptituz>george: valid objection, yeah
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13:33<killer>help me
13:33<george>killer: failure to connect machine to net
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13:33<george>you asked for the best, that's it
13:33<aptituz>killer: if you categorize firewalls into drawers like this you probably don't know what a firewall is for
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13:34<tanjix2>i rsynced /var/lib/dpkg from another machine running same system and now it works
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13:34<tanjix2>dont know what went wrong
13:34<lasantha>what is the best personel firewall in debian
13:34<george>but then one shouldn't assume from the structure of another's thinking whether a fact or concept is known
13:34<lasantha>sm one knw plz tell me
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13:34<aptituz>tanjix2: thats eventually not the best idea if the system is not identical
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13:35<dli>lasantha, desktop users don't need firewall
13:35<tanjix2>aptituz: they are
13:35[~]fxiny wonders why zonekalarm is not packaged *yet*
13:35<lasantha>i have 10 computer netwaork
13:35<george>dli: well those desktop users that are not connected to the internet
13:35<lasantha>i want to install firewall on DHCP server
13:36<dli>lasantha, like the gateway?
13:36<sasha>hi i m looking or a backport to a recent snapshot of amsn , does anybody know that ?
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13:36<lasantha>you knw ?
13:36<dli>lasantha, I found it's both easy and secure to run bastille and psad: apt-get install bastille psad
13:37<george>what is the gateway doing exactly
13:37<lasantha>distributeip address
13:37<dli>lasantha, then, you run as root: InteractiveBastille
13:37<dli>lasantha, bastille knows about gateway
13:38<lasantha>how config bastille
13:38<dli>lasantha, InteractiveBastille
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13:40<nau>dli, I thank you too
13:40<dli>nau, yes, it should be enough for most users
13:41<profun>hi all
13:41<profun>when i use apt I get this "apt-get install mc
13:41<profun>Segmentation faultsts... 46%"
13:41<dli>profun, unstable?
13:42<profun>i'm tryng google to fin a solution
13:42<profun>but no results
13:42<george>testing? unstable?
13:42<george>something inbetween? :)
13:42<profun>i tried rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*.bin
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13:42<profun>am testing i think
13:43<profun>any ideas
13:43<dli>profun, it happens to all packages or just mc?
13:43<george>how much ram yuou got
13:43<fxiny>oh that's much better
13:44<dli>profun, can you dpkg -i the apt deb?
13:44<fxiny>profun: any space left ?
13:45<dli>profun, I feel you messed up with some apt files like in /var/lib/dpkg/ , not sure how to recover from that
13:45<profun>am dli no
13:45<george>there's space right near that star...
13:45<profun>dli, i don't know
13:46<psYchotic>hey, I have a question: I'm trying to make a package for something I'm trying to compile from scratch, and I was hoping to be able to just use dpkg-deb to do this. It works, but to achieve this, I had to install the application in a prefix where there would be nothing else, and the application expects icons and images in this prefix, which means that if I install the package, all the images show up as the stock GTK image not found icon. I
13:46<fxiny>george: which one ? the black one with that funny e-horizon ?
13:46<george>yeah it seems to be consuming the space too
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13:47<profun>dli, do you know some soluton or something else?
13:47<profun>this is fresh install
13:47<profun>after update i got this
13:47<dli>profun, I would reinstall :)
13:47<dli>profun, and reinstall stable
13:47<profun>i see
13:48<dli>profun, I think it happened to me once, don't remember any solution or whether I found one at all
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13:48<profun>yeah the reinstalling is good idea
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13:49<george>consider the backup of possibilities
13:49<george>err oops backwards
13:50<george>consider the possibility of backups
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13:52<fxiny>george: it was ok : you getting closer to me :)
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14:08<aguaithefreak> aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4
14:09<aguaithefreak>the recently update remove my aptitude......
14:09<aptituz>you aren't running unstable, are you?
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14:10<aguaithefreak>I think it unstable
14:10<aguaithefreak>how can I downgrade?
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14:11<iamtravis>how do i make an alias? i'm trying to temporarily alias gcc to be gcc-3.3
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14:11<aptituz>you can't downgrade in a sane way (Debian does not support downgrades officially)
14:12<WildKid>Is is possible to boot the install over the network and do an ftp install?
14:12<aguaithefreak>aptituz: so I just waiting for them to fix it?
14:12<aptituz>aguaithefreak: you are running unstable, so probably you should know what you could do
14:13<aptituz>if you don't I would consider reinstalling stable
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14:13<aptituz>because sid is likely to break and therefore should only be run by people able to fix / workaround bugs
14:13<aguaithefreak>iamtravis: I think if you use $CC=gcc3.3 in Makefile might work
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14:14<aguaithefreak>aptituz: eh.....
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14:14<lycoris>spañish ?
14:14<lycoris>quién es español ?
14:15<dserban>E: Failed to fetch http://caliban:8124/security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_amd64.deb: Connection timed out
14:15<blarson>!tell lycoris about es
14:15<dserban>The above goes through an approx proxy. Every other package is good to go, but this fails this specific package has been failing for the last two weeks or so. Any ideas?
14:15<aguaithefreak>aptituz: just an voice:p sorry
14:16<aguaithefreak>I shouldn't use unstable.................
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14:22<aptituz>btw. my aptitude runs and runs and runs ;)
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14:26<angasule>aptituz: you should keep it leashed
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14:26<sasha>hi how can i get a file that is starting with git:// protocol
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14:28<aguaithefreak>sasha: git co (or clone) git://..... I think
14:28<gpm>has it been decided what to call the release after lenny?
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14:29<aptituz>lenny is far from beeing released. why would one try to find a name for the release after??
14:29<gpm>why not
14:30<sasha>yeah git-clone , thsnks
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14:30<Eulex>gpm, I think it's usually decided shortly before or after every release what the next one will be called
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14:31<gpm>i see
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14:48<mmartin>is there any channels where i can ask questions you probably all think are obvious
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14:50<JasonS>mmartin: well thats nice and vauge :)
14:50<DanDare>its not better just make the question?
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14:50<JasonS>if theyre debian related why not ask them here, if they aren't someone will point you in the right direction
14:50<DanDare>'if its debian related'
14:50<mmartin>ok, how do i change the language of a debian install
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14:52<Eulex>mmartin, dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:52<mmartin> it didnt work for me
14:52<Eulex>define 'didn't work'
14:52<Eulex>did you re-login?
14:52<mmartin>things like aptitude started throwing perl errors
14:52<mmartin>yes i did
14:53<dondelelcaro>those are just warnings, actually
14:53<Eulex>mmartin, did you use dpkg-reconfigure locales or did you just set your $LANG manually?
14:53<aguaithefreak>however I build an emergency one from
14:53<mmartin>i used dpkg-reconfigure and selected the original lang and english , then set english as the default
14:53<aguaithefreak>hope it work
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14:55<mmartin>ive run it again but most messages havent changed language
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15:02<dserban>where would one call local iptables rules on boot? there used to be an /etc/init.d/iptables script which called data from /var/lib or so for setting rules. It's gone now, where do I do it the debian way?
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15:05<aptituz>hm. i used to write init scripts on my own
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15:07<S3v3N>hello, how do i shutdown debian system? shutdown -a does not work
15:07<dkr>I make my own /etc/init.d/firewall, too :)
15:08<dkr>S3v3N: you need to specify when
15:08<S3v3N>in 5seconds how do i do that
15:08<zigo_>S3v3N: It's same as for all Linux around: shutdown -h now
15:08<dkr>S3v3N: e.g. shutdown now
15:08<S3v3N>shutdown -h and it will shutdown imiadetly
15:08<dkr>is the time specifier
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15:10<S3v3N>dude but that just rebooted me lol
15:10<S3v3N>i wrote shutdown now and it stopped all processes and then started them again
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15:12<DanDare>S3vN "shutdown -h now" will shutdown not reboot
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15:14<donfede>hello debian folk. when compiling packages (ex: dpkg-buildpackage), how can I take advantage of my smp / dual cores ?
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15:15<Eulex>donfede, make it pass -j 2 (for two cores, higher for more cores) as an option to make.
15:16<Eulex>or just pass -j2 to dpkg-buildpackage :)
15:17<DanDare>why apache needs to spawn 6 'apache' processes while runing?
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15:18<donfede>Eulex: dpkg-buildpackage does not seem to like "-j2" ... how else could I pass the -j2 to make?
15:19<Eulex>MAKEFLAGS, perhaps. but -j for dpkg-buildpackage is supposed to be what should work. what does 'does not seem to like' mean?
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15:19<donfede>[grauf@grauf xa]$ time dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j2 ; xeyes
15:19<donfede>dpkg-buildpackage: unknown option or argument -j2
15:20<donfede>this is on debian stable
15:20<Requiem>What are good flac/ogg encoders?
15:20<Eulex>donfede, check the man page? if the option isn't in there, it wasn't in stable.
15:21<donfede>no -j in the man page
15:21<Eulex>ok. try MAKEFLAGS then
15:22<donfede>trying that now (export MAKEFLAGS="-j2") ... let's see how long the compile takes now ... cpus do seem to be working harder
15:22<jagerman>Looks like -j was a *very* recent addition.
15:23<iamtravis>is there anything like a virus scanner or rootkit scanner or anything for debian?
15:24<george>Requiem: seems to me... they have to be... encoders...
15:24<Eulex>iamtravis, chkrootkit
15:24<iamtravis>thank you
15:24<Eulex>iamtravis, did you even bother searching? :)
15:24<Eulex>iamtravis, there's clamav for (windows) virii. linux virii are practically non-existant.
15:24<iamtravis>ah, you guys probably know off the top of your heads so i thought i'd ask here first, i'm in the middle of something else and just wondered about it
15:25<iamtravis>i'm paranoid like that, i don't want to be a tool for somebody else to use or have crap installed on my system
15:25<george>iamtravis: we know everything off the top of our heads... it's called falling hair...
15:26<iamtravis>lol, i'm growing a bald spot myself
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15:26[~]Supaplex has no such curse
15:27<george>Supaplex: hmm... maybe next year...
15:27<Supaplex>maybe I should install windows ;)
15:28<donfede>I recommend Vista >: )
15:28<Supaplex>more hair loss! wahou!
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15:29<Requiem>Keep in mind when installing Vista, to only buy the 512 MB and 1 gigahertz processor that Microsoft recommends
15:29<S3v3N>DanDare: thanks (sry for delay) :P
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15:31<donfede>Eulex: thanks kindly for the help
15:31<Eulex>donfede, yw
15:31<donfede>my compile time got cut almost in half with the MAKEFLAGS
15:32<nau>and remember, do not use vista after booting... its likely to break itself
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15:35<george>only use it before installing
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15:39<DanDare>hmm, only thing that i personaly not liked in etch is that not support webmin anymore
15:40<dpkg>webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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15:40<DanDare>anyway, i know its a security hole and everything
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15:41<DanDare>but i can run it just when needs, for 3 minutes e.g. and stop
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15:41<DanDare>i consider webmin a nice resource for the new users, to put things to work while learning how to deal with configuration the right way
15:42<hazard2>you could also just use ssh, which is slightly more secure (ish) and far less..buggy
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15:42<DanDare>yeah you can use ssh as want
15:42<DanDare>and you can use webmin as want
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15:46<DanDare>who´s dondelelcaro ?
15:46<george>DanDare: some guy who doesn't like webmin
15:47<DanDare>yeah i see ahahah
15:47<george>I keep hearing all these admin types saying "plain users should not ever use anything that makes things easier to admin... they could screw something up"
15:48<george>to which I reply, "OR they could learn something, maybe something that adds to competition for their jobs
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15:49<george>which imo is a good thing given some of the attitudes I've run across
15:49<george>adam_: warez site at
15:49<DanDare>i agree george
15:50<george>adam_: they'll hook you up... literally...
15:51<adam_>what do you mean ?
15:51<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or
15:53<george>adam_: what do you mean by "list"?
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15:53<adam_>I make a typing mistake
15:53<DanDare>hw just forgot the /
15:53<adam_>yes exactly DanDare
15:53<george>oh, forgot the ! :)
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15:53<adam_>hey people
15:54<nau>it happens all the time xD
15:54<george>mmhmm :)
15:54<adam_>do you know how to launch an application on a given desktop ?
15:54<DanDare>sg nickserv identify 7uwn8d6
15:54<amphi>adam_: that's wm/de dependent
15:54<george>haha :)
15:54<george>change you passwd quick :)
15:54<adam_>why ?
15:55<nau>crack FBI
15:55[~]DanDare walks away
15:55<adam_>what us this crack ?
15:55<george>one way, launch app on current desktop, move to given desktop
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15:56<adam_>thks george and how to start it directly on another desktop ?
15:56<gpm>poor dandare
15:56<george>dunno, which wm
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15:57<adam_>gnome for example
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15:57<george>which wm?
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15:57<gpm>he changed it in time
15:57<george>gnome uses wms, it's not a wm
15:57<adam_>I don't know what is wms
15:58<gpm>is what you're looking ofr
15:58<adam_>wm = window manager ?
15:58<george>adam_: yeah
15:58<gpm>!start a wm war
15:58<dpkg>wmaker blows!
15:58<george>!start a barbie war
15:58<dpkg>starting a barbie war is HARD!
15:58<adam_>I give up :(
15:59<adam_>I'll move my window by hand on the good desktop
15:59<george>adam_: what do you mean good desktop
15:59<gpm>switch the desktop you want and start the app there
15:59<gpm>there might be a cl option i don't know, but that'd vary app to app i bet
15:59<adam_>gpm yes but I want the application to start at login :)
15:59<george>why do you have a good desktop :)
15:59<adam_>cl option ?
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16:00<gpm>cl = command line
16:00<george>of a particular user?
16:00<adam_>yes that's what I am looking for and i was unable to find anything on internet
16:00<adam_>any user
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16:01<george>start with your user then we'll look at any user
16:01<adam_>george, i didn't understand
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16:02<george>what part?
16:02<gpm>adam_: why don't you read the man page for the program you want to start?
16:02<gpm>if there's an option, it'd be in there
16:02<adam_>gpm: i was looking for a general command
16:02<gpm>or in gnome-session-properties (that's where you add the startup apps iirc)
16:02<adam_>don't worry anymore, that's ok for me
16:02<george>adam_: that may or may not be possible
16:02<adam_>thanks everyone for your help
16:02<gpm>adam_: there's no general command to start other commands in a specific workspace iirc
16:03[~]gpm feels adam_'s pain
16:03<adam_>just newbe ~)
16:03<adam_>have a god day
16:03<adam_>good day
16:03<gpm>adam_: hold on
16:03<gpm>i'm finding stuff
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16:04<adam_>gpm which stuff, i have to go now
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16:05<nau>good day adam... srry for my lack of help ^^
16:05<gpm>aw he missed it
16:05<gpm>that looks semi-promising
16:05<gpm>way too much trouble though
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16:05<nau>just 5 sec more and he was fixed up =(
16:06<gpm>when you gotta go
16:06<gpm>you gotta go
16:06<nau>sex is first... emm....
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16:07<gpm>no, i think we can all admit it: sex > debian
16:07<gpm>but it's a close race
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16:07<nau>=O how you know my girl was deb??!
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16:08<nexx_>hey guys, quick question, im running cedega and it says i dont have openGL direct renduring, so i did an aptitude search openGL and it came up with a few things but nothing looks like what i need
16:08<nexx_>is there a certain package i should install for openGL or is that more like a driver thing?
16:08<gpm>for nvidia, it's nvidia-glx
16:08<gpm>or legacy if you need it
16:08<gpm>i don't know about ati-type cards
16:08<nexx_>ok thanks
16:08<nexx_>yeah im nvidia
16:08<gpm>you can install mesa-utils to check out your opengl status i think
16:09<nexx_>ok i'll get that too thanks
16:09<gpm>!nvidia one-liner
16:09<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
16:09<chealer>nexx_: it's a driver thing
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16:09<nau>that was fast...
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16:10<nexx_>yeah i have nvidia glx already installed
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16:10<gpm>all the games i need to play work with wine
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16:11<nexx_>well i would get the same problem i think
16:12<nau>tmr! and im still with my savage3 chipset ¬¬
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16:13<nau>hello andrés
16:13<nexx_>so i already have mesa-utils and the nvidia-glx installed, how do i use mesa to check my openGL status?
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16:13<gpm>nexx_: glxinfo, glxgears
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16:14<gpm>goodbye andres
16:14<Drizzt_DoUrden>nexx_: if you need nvidia-legacy consider building it yourself...
16:14<nexx_>wierd, the gears are turning but this test still fails
16:15<gpm>how about glxinfo, what does that tell you?
16:15<dani>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-5-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz at 2329 MHz (4751 bogomips), HD: 1/2GB, RAM: 27/28MB, 69 proc's, 4.31min up
16:15<nexx_>glxinfo tells me alot of stuff, all of wich i dont fully understand
16:15<nexx_>alot of numbers and things
16:15<Drizzt_DoUrden>nexx_: I've experienced less problems with my own kernel-module (and my own kernel) then what is in Debian...
16:15<gpm>how many fps on glxgears?
16:16<nexx_>it doesn't say
16:16<gpm>i think there's an option
16:16<gpm>man glxgears
16:16<gpm>are they turning slow or quickly?
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16:17<nexx_>no man for glxgears
16:17<gpm>so skip the test and try to play a game
16:17<gpm>cedega's not perfect
16:17<nexx_>well good thing i didn't pay for it :P
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16:18<gpm>i'll pretend i didn't hear that
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16:18<Supaplex>any fork of wine is running behind. winehq is pumping out new releases every 2 weeks.
16:19<nexx_>hey there is no way im going to pay for linux software, almost all the time i dont know what im doing any ways, so why fork out money just to have something not work on me
16:19<nexx_>i just wanna see if it works or not :P
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16:20<george>nexx_: when you pay money for windows, you don't have to pay attention to details (at least to some degree) and you don't have to put time into learning.
16:20<george>guess what happens when you get linux for whatever cost?
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16:21<gpm>we are not having this conversation
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16:23<bill_>well hello!
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16:23<chealer>nexx_: check the corresponding section in the guide.
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16:28<george>nexx_: so if you're not putting time into your technical knowledge, maybe you should consider doing so... (to put it mildly and politely) people will enjoy helping you more when it seems like it's just a conversation between equals
16:28<paco>how can i test my software on arm, mips, powerpc,.... I ve got only i386 and amd64. Is it possible to use a test account somewhere?
16:29<george>is it possible? yes.
16:29<paco>george, do you answer to my question?
16:30<george>I'm only answering one of your two questions
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16:30<paco>ok, thx, but where can i find a test account? alioth?
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16:30<george>are you a dd?
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16:30<paco>not yet ;-)
16:31<george>I dunno, maybe mentor is a dd, ask him
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16:31<george>or maybe that's not really mentor :)
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16:31<paco>i see, maybe i ask on a list
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16:32<george>there is a list of machines to which full developers have access
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16:32<george>probably your acct will not be on one of those
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16:32<george>as far as how you test... how do you test your stuff already?
16:32<dondelelcaro>paco: unless there's a known problem with a particular architecture, there's no real point in testing
16:33<dondelelcaro>paco: just test it for your architecture, and users of your software will test it on theirs
16:33<DanDare>hey its dondelelcaro :)
16:33<george>do you have a sponsor?
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16:34<dondelelcaro>however, if your software actually has a test suite, you should use that in the build process, and it will get tested on the other architectures it builds on along the way
16:34<paco>i want to work on a bug because nobody did it for a long time, the package doesnt buil from source on arm
16:34<george>so there is some known problem from a long time ago
16:34<dondelelcaro>paco: so check out what the build failure was on arm, find someone with an arm box, and resolve it
16:34<paco>george, no sponsor, because i am not the maintainer
16:35<george>is the maint awol?
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16:35<george>what package is it?
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16:37<george>well preferably a coupla arm boxes, one running stable and one running unstable
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16:37<george>what language is it written in?
16:38<paco>i guess c++
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16:38<george>do you have a copy of the bug report?
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16:39<nexx_>does any one here use CDemu?
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16:40<george>so it builds but some tests fail
16:40<paco>george, it is ansi c, yes only the test fails
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16:41<george>and in version 0.6 only two tests fail
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16:42<paco>george, yes, and with access to a arm machine i can work on this problem
16:42<george>so have you reviewed those two tests?
16:42<paco>no, because first i need arm
16:43<george>hmm :) so much can be done in parallel, maybe the most important of which is learning :)
16:43<george>so what prevents you from even looking at the test unless you have an arm?
16:44<george>well whatever... you can decide what order you want to do things
16:44<paco>it doesnt help, the test doesnt fail on i386 :-)
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16:45<mentor>george: uh, what?
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16:45[~]george didnt want another round of this part, but ok... knowing what the test is trying to determine is in no way helpful? :) and with that I digress
16:45<nexx_>..i have another simple trying to install CDemu, and it says that i need my kernel source, it said to look in /lib/modules/`uname/ for the build dir, however its not there, so i guess i dont have my source installed, can i just do a google for the source and put it in there? or is there a better way to install it?
16:46<mentor>Use The Source Luke
16:46<mentor>As Linus would say
16:46<george>nexx_: how are you trying to install cdmu
16:47<nexx_>im trying to install it like it said in the INSTALL file :P....its a module tho, i think that is what you are asking
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16:47<george>mentor: postulated you might be a dd and so might be able to more specifically help paco
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16:47<mentor>I'm not, although I maintain a package.
16:48<paco>george, i have to understand the test, correct, it is waste of time without acces to arm
16:48<gpm>if you're a dd and you leave for a while, do you have to jump through all the hoops again if you want to come back? or do you just have to find a package?
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16:48<alikebabay>hi guys
16:48<nexx_> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include
16:48<nexx_>thats where it said to look
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16:48<george>mentor, he needs someone (or two someones) with arms... one stable, one unstable, to test build a package
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16:49<george>paco: think of it this way... either you will get acces to the arms or not...
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16:49[~]gpm has access to his arms
16:49<alikebabay>hi does somebody know how to run warzone 2100 on 64 bit? ubuntu 7.04
16:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
16:50<nexx_>`uname -r` returns 2.6.18-5-amd64
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16:50<gpm>also you should upgrade to gusty
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16:50<paco>george, i ask the maintainer
16:50<mentor>george, paco: I should ask on the Debian ARM mailing list then
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16:51<nexx_>so i did an aptitude search 2.6.18-5-amd64 to see if i could just do an aptitude install for the source but its not in there
16:51<george>paco, mentor: ok, paco's in good hands then
16:51<nexx_>is that it?
16:51<nexx_>or is that something else?
16:52<george>the headers for the kernel you're now running? yes if that's your uname -r
16:52<nexx_>is the headers the same as the source?
16:52<gpm>i never knew
16:52<gpm>but i can build modules for a given kernel if i install the headers
16:52<nexx_>ahh ok
16:52<gpm>so, for you, yes
16:52<nexx_>i'll try it
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16:52<george>no, it's a small piece of the source so that you can build modulez
16:53<gpm>i like it with a z
16:53<nexx_>ok good to know, thanks guys
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16:53<gpm>how big is the kernel these days?
16:54<george>the size of a whole ear of corn... gotta love those growth hormones...
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16:54<gpm>i hope it's sweet, i like sweet corn
16:54<george>that would be white corn :)
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16:54<gpm>ah, bzipped up it's 43M
16:54<nexx_>yup that was it guys, thanks again
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16:54<gpm>nexx_: you betcha
16:55<latzer>hav a problem setting up a raid 1
16:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:57<gpm>ew someone in my office farted
16:57<latzer>i like to config a software raid 1 while installing the system but when i defined my two 500G plates as pysical volume for Raid and then configure the software raid i get only one partition. what am i diong wrong?
16:57<george>office farts... almost as bad as internet explorer farts...
16:57<gpm>luckily it doesn't seem to want to linger.
16:58[~]gpm knows nothing about raid
16:58<latzer>if the feeling i'm doing something wrong but i don't know what
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16:59<jagerman>latzer: You get only one partition of what?
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17:01<latzer>when i created the md0 dvice there is allready a partition
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17:02<latzer>when i delet it an define a nwe one i can make only one (example boot 100m) the rest is marked as unusable
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17:04<brislingf>how can i copy a whole dir with subdirs ?
17:05<latzer>cp -r /dir /destination
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17:07<nexx_>so you guys say that wine is better the cedega eh?
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17:09<latzer>now re
17:10<chealer>nexx_: no
17:11<nexx_>aptitude has xwine but not wine, wierd
17:11<nexx_>guess i'll have to install manually
17:12<nexx_>lol, nm
17:12<george>nexx_, well if you want to emulate that windows thing, yeah I guess... I do have doom 3 and quake 4 I haven't really gotten into yet, so I might
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17:17<tzvika>anyone here?
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17:19<tzvika>is this a support channel?
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17:19<vp>can firewall detect the voice packet?
17:19<vp>how can monitor voice packet?
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17:19<vp>if u knw plz reply
17:19<chealer>tzvika: yes
17:19<valdyn>vp: a packet is just data.
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17:20<vp>data and voice different
17:20<valdyn>vp: if _you_ dont know how its different from other stuff, how is the firewall supposed to?
17:20<tzvika>Does anyone know how to make my cmedia sound card output to spdif?
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17:20<vp>data and voice packet header different
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17:21<valdyn>vp: which header?
17:21<JasonS>tzvika: yes for debian
17:21<tzvika>how about ubuntu? ;-)
17:21<JasonS>never heard of it
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17:22<tzvika>oh. i guess there is a competition... sorry.
17:22<vp>voip packet header
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17:23<JasonS>tzvika: #ubutntu is over >
17:23<valdyn>vp: look up how a 'voice packet' is different, then you can do whatever with it, with linux firewall tools
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17:23<valdyn>vp: but right now you don't, obviously
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17:26<padski>[sorry, oh so OT] I want to run a simple suid prog from a cgi. it wouldn't be the end of the world if an unauthorised party could run it, but I would prefer to keep the suid prog out of reach of anything but this one cgi. any suggestions on how to do that [on debian :-) ] ?
17:27<vp>i wanna hack my admin server anyone knw how to do it
17:27<vp>its linux server
17:28<vp>can i get su login without passwd
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17:29<vp>does anyone know proper hacking white papers in online
17:29<JasonS>vp: why are you asking here how to hack into a server?
17:29<vp>can u send me proper white papers regarding hacking
17:29<padski>Dear Sir, I am secretary to W.Gates III esq. and I wish to talk to you about our recent visa application ...
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17:30<padski>vp: you send $50,000,000 to my paypal ?
17:30<JasonS>ill teach you for one less 0
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17:31<ameyer>vp: I'll tell you how to crack a server, it'll cost you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 dollars though
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17:31<padski>vp: $50M very good price
17:31<JasonS>vp: you still haven't answered my question though
17:31<padski>vp: I throw in wisdom of the ancients. no extra charge.
17:31<valdyn>vp: shut up, this is off topic, /part
17:31<vp>u guys go messenger
17:31<JasonS>cool deal padski
17:32<vp>its the proper place u
17:32<nexx_>vp hacking takes years and years to learn
17:32<mosty>exim takes 5-10 mins to start on one of my machines (preventing me from logging in during that time), i remember that this used to be a faq item, but i can't find anything about it anymore. i assume it's a dns problem- what do i need to do to fix it?
17:32<JasonS>!ops <vp> i wanna hack my admin server anyone knw how to do it
17:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: <vp> i wanna hack my admin server anyone knw how to do it
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17:32<padski>mosty: it wants to know the hostname
17:32<nexx_>all those 16 year old hackers you see on tv just got lucky and found one hole in one program
17:32<valdyn>mosty: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, do avoid unnessecary dns lookups
17:33<vp>thanx nexx others r useless
17:33<mosty>padski, the hostname is in /etc/hosts
17:33<mosty>valdyn, i will try that
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17:34<vp>do u have any tools
17:35<padski>mosty: do you have that line in /etc/hosts ?
17:35<@Ganneff>vp: you are wrong here.
17:35<mosty>padski, yes
17:35<padski>mosty: apologies. wrong diagnosis. please see next doctor ;-)
17:35<nexx_>vp the very deffinition of the word is forign to you any ways, what you want to be is a be a hacker all you need is a text editor and a compiler
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17:36<ameyer>nexx_: or a machete
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17:36<nexx_>alot of the guys in here are hackers in the sence that they know how to hack together scripts and edit code, to be a good hacker it takes many years to learn
17:36<padski>I was going to say "axe".
17:37<nexx_>to be a cracker takes equally long plus you have to be able to reverse engineer programs and systems
17:37<padski>clearly, one hacks with one's "axe".
17:37<ameyer>or you could use one of those metasploit things
17:37<vp>how we get source code for program which we want to hack
17:37<@Ganneff>you want to get back to topic. which is "Debian", not hacking/cracking systems...
17:38<ameyer>not that I exactly know how, or where to find one
17:38<nexx_>vp hacking/cracking is useless to you right now
17:38<ameyer>anyway, hopefully back to on-topic chat...
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17:40<vp>thanx guys
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17:40<vp>i jst checked
17:41<vp>can we install two debian version on same harddisk
17:41<mentor>but on different partitions
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17:41<vp>but i gonna problem with root
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17:42<vp>error msg says no mount point for previous installation
17:42<mentor>Which error messages, after you've done what, is that exactly what it says, what are you trying to achieve?
17:43<vp>anyone knw the ans
17:43<mentor>I think that's a PB
17:43<vp>PB means?
17:43<mentor>Personal best
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17:44<vp>i wanna install kde and netisnt on same hard disk
17:45<vp>waht is the best version
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17:45<mentor>I think you should read the installation guide
17:45<mentor>dpkg: ig
17:45<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
17:45[~]JasonS smells troll
17:45<@Ganneff>i think he wants t read much more than just the ig
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17:46<JasonS>he wants to install kde and netisnt on the same disk? what?
17:47<@Ganneff>he sees those 2 cds.
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17:47<@Ganneff>not reading the ig - doesnt understand what they mean.
17:47<JasonS>Ganneff: ahh
17:47<mentor>vp: KDE is a set of packages in Debian, you can install them on any Debian install
17:47<JasonS>i like how i even copied the typo they made heh
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17:48<apeitheo>haha, weird, x just crashed for no reason
17:48<mentor>JasonS: Well, then don't feed it
17:48<apeitheo>it's been up like 3 days and it just crashed
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18:06<padski>it is amazing how complicated even a simple idea can become.
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18:07<bighornram>I have no build folder in my /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686 folder, what package am I missing?
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18:13<neosix>I installed fglrx-driver, and I want to check is everything is OK.
18:13<bighornram>I have just re-installed linux-headers and linux-kbuild but no build directory is there.
18:13<mookli>Hello there. I'm a Linux newbie and I've just installed Etch. I clumsily chose the wrong option on one of the screens and now i have LVM encryption - where I had to enter apassword and have to the same every time I boot up. Is there any easy way to change this?
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18:13<neosix>when I type fglrxinfo: display: :0.0 screen: 0
18:13<neosix>OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
18:13<neosix>OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
18:13<neosix>OpenGL version string: 2.0.6011 (8.28.8)
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18:13<george>mookli: just installed? just wipe and reinstall
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18:14<neosix>sory for flood
18:14<mookli>Is ths way a problem in any way as I have set a few tihngs up and I'm otherwise getting on ok with Etch.
18:14<Aleric>mookli: How many partitions do you use?
18:14<mookli>Well 2 incding swap
18:15<neosix>So can somebody tell is it OK with my 3D drivers
18:15<george>mookli: covers (rest of) entire drive?
18:15<mookli>That's what I thought
18:15<Aleric>Well, the only way I can think of is to copy everything from the encrypted partition to an unencrypted partition... If you have used the whole harddisk, you'd have to buy a new harddisk to do that copy...
18:15<mookli>Is it abad setup for a beginner?
18:16<mookli>I assume the idea is that the drive can't be read even if it's removed is that the idea?
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18:16<george>mookli: no the 2-partition scheme is the simplest
18:16<george>but you don't get protection for / partition for things like logs filling it up
18:16<mookli>can you expand on that george
18:16<george>not really
18:17<george>no time
18:17<george>once you get going if you're still curious look at fhs standard and look at how others set up servers
18:17<mookli>So what is LVM ecryption designed for? Who would need it?
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18:18<Aleric>encryption is to make sure nobody can read your data after they steal your PC.
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18:19<mookli>Ah so it's not abad idea then
18:19<Aleric>Depends on how sensitive your data is.
18:19<mookli>Not very really
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18:20<mookli>But there's no real downside to it - I assumed it would slow everything down but it doesn't seem to really
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18:21<Aleric>For an ordinairy user who doesn't download illegal things etc, I suppose all you need encrypted are passwords that you use. But there are programs to do that (save/manage your passwords, storing them encrypted on your harddisk)
18:22<mookli>Aleric: yeah I assume that's what the offer to save passwords to the keyring means?
18:22<mookli>I normally have no trouble remembering passwords though
18:22<Aleric>Bad passwords then :p
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18:23<Aleric>I only use random passwords, and a different one everywhere... Can't remember that.
18:23<mookli>I don't have to remember too many
18:23<mookli>They are generally around 12 characters
18:23<mookli>I know they're sposed to be 16 to make the most of the encryption but that's atoo long for me
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18:24<Aleric>For harddisk encryption you should use a whole sentence.
18:24<Aleric>Like 150 characters
18:24<mookli>Well it wasn't that long
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18:24<Aleric>Otherwise it's meaningless against real attacks.
18:24<koollman>yeah ... so you can lose it, and the disk :)
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18:25<mookli>It was about 18
18:25<mookli>I had no idea it had to be that long
18:25<koollman>150 characters is really too much :)
18:25<mookli>150 is abit rich for me
18:25<koollman>18 is good, I suppose
18:25<Aleric>Well, if the CIA would steal your PC, they wouldn't have much problem reading your disk then :p
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18:25<koollman>Aleric: well ... if the CIA steal your pc, you have more problems than them reading the disks :)
18:26[~]Aleric is typing a minute when rebooting...
18:26<mookli>I think that's unlikely - they would want a much better system than mine LOL
18:26[~]Aleric denies everything ;)
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18:26<koollman>they can probably make you type the password :)
18:26<mookli>I don't think they can that in the UK - where I am
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18:26<Aleric>Yeah, it's called the 'rubber hose' problem (plausible deniability)
18:27<koollman>mookli: well ... you should consult your local law about encryption of 'private' data .. they can be surprising, even in europe
18:27<mookli>I hope otherwise what would happen if they wanted it and I had forgotten it - I'd be up a creak then :)
18:27<mentor>In the UK they can send you to jail for not providing the decryption key
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18:28<mookli>I always assumed people like that some kind of magnetic resonance anyway
18:28<Aleric>mentor: What if you really forgot it?
18:28<mookli>mentor i think the wording is not quite like that it's something like wilfully wittholding
18:28<Aleric>Suppose you have a very long random key phrase, you always typed it from a piece of paper. After they take your harddisk, you burn the piece the of paper.
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18:28<Aleric>Then you really can't give it anymore :)
18:29<Aleric>Will they send you to jail for having burned that piece of paper?
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18:29<mentor>That would be wilfully withholding it, yes.
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18:29<Aleric>They'd have to prove that you wilfully burned it
18:29<mookli>Aleric: I suppose the other tihng is what if you used strong encryption to wipe something
18:29<mookli>then by the very nature of it no one has the key
18:30<mookli>So there must be some kind of defence
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18:31<Aleric>Yeah, coincidence though... that exactly on the day they enter your house, you have set up a PC with a totally wiped harddisk :p
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18:31<mookli>mentor: but besides if you really forget the pass you must be presumed innocent
18:31<mentor>You've not been following UK law recently have you?
18:32<mookli>I suppose the safest thing then is to accidentally microwave your HD before they arrive LOL
18:32<mentor>Well, at least you have the right to a jury trial
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18:32<mentor>Oh wait. Not anymore.
18:32<mookli>We do have some very bad new laws
18:32<mookli>The tihng is though - when it comes down to it they never seem to get used
18:33<mookli>I can't think of asingle one of these craxy new laws that have been tested yet
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18:33<Aleric>They're saving it for terrorists
18:34<Aleric>So, how can I get 30 fps out of this webcam? :/
18:34<Aleric>Where to start?
18:34<mentor>They're saving it for people who won't get stood up for
18:36<mookli>The trouble is the public mood here is moving against it
18:36[~]mentor tries to go back to going to sleep instead of fueling the vitriol he is feeling towards people accept what the stupid grinning idiot did
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18:36<mookli>I for one would sooner take mychances than have my own government oppress me
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18:37<mookli>Anyway I've gone a bit OT which I apologise for
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18:37<koollman>politics on #debian, OT ? :)
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18:38<mookli>Going back on topic , but only just - is the debian philosophy anti installing anything proprietory?
18:39<dkr>mookli: ever noticed the non-free repositories?
18:39<koollman>ever noticed the fact it's not there by default ? :)
18:40<dkr>and taken those two facts to deduce the philosophy? :)
18:40<mookli>I did notice but I also notice you have to add it yourself in some cases
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18:41<gcs>Hi! Is it possible to install Etch or Lenny to a totally encrypted filesystem?
18:41<dkr>gcs: yes
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18:41<mookli>I do like the purist stance in some ways - but I'm hypocritical cos i use Opera
18:42<dkr>just choose that option when you install
18:42<mookli>Well it worked fine gcs
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18:42<gcs>dkr: Not even /boot needs to be on an unencrypted fs?
18:42<mookli>It gives you four choices with the netinstall system
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18:43<mookli>And one of them is to install with LVM Encryption
18:43<dkr>gcs: hrm, I don't remember. I just tried it once to see what it was like then re-installed normally
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18:43<mookli>Choice 3 as i remember
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18:44<gcs>mookli: So everything is on a crypted fs? Not even /boot is visible?
18:44<dkr>mookli: not exactly, LVM is a spearate option from encrypted fs
18:44<mookli>gcs: I keep meaning to boot up into Slax and see if I can read anything.
18:44<mookli>So I can't be sure yet
18:44<gcs>dkr, mookli: I don't need LVM, just one fixed size partition.
18:44<mookli>I will come back when I've tried it
18:45<Aleric>Ok, I need a rock solid v4l application to test my webcam with... what would be a good application?
18:45<dkr>just make a small /boot and en encrypted /, it's not liek seeing the linux kernel will reveal any secrets, they can download it from anywhere. :)
18:45<petemc>xawtv works
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18:46<mookli>Not that I'm going straight away now
18:46<gcs>dkr: But it can be patched to reveal the password to an attacker.
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18:46<gcs>dkr: Not the kernel itself, but initramfs for example.
18:46<Aleric>petemc: It's a webcam, not a TV :/ ... When I run xawtv I get an error: X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode, Major opcode of failed request: 136 (XFree86-DGA), Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL) ...
18:47<mookli>gcs: i assume that's the only way to really test is to see what can be read from a compltely separate boot disk?
18:47<dkr>gcs: hrm, I didn't think of encrypted fs as a security mechanisms, but as a data protection mechanism. good point though. maybe you can encrypt /boot, I'm not sure
18:47<petemc>Aleric: any webcams ive setup ive always tested them with xawtv, and as i said, it works
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18:48<Aleric>petemc: Any idea why I get that error then?
18:48<dkr>or you could have unencrypted /boot but your init scripts that run when it boots can checksum stuff in /boot to make sure it didn't load soemthing different?
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18:49<gcs>dkr, mookli: Is there any other way to protect my system/data against others?
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18:49<dkr>gcs: air-gap firewall
18:50<mookli>That's what astonishes me about Linux in the short time I've tried it - Everyone has slightly different setups - ven people using the same borad category. That's the most noticeable thing to a newbie
18:50<dkr>(aka unplugging network line)
18:50<gcs>dkr, mookli: While I was away, my HDD was taken out and copied. I don't want to happen this again.
18:50<gcs>dkr, mookli: They have access to my computer.
18:51<dkr>"they" are always doing the darndest things
18:52<mookli>I'm a funny sort of newbie though cos I would consider myself quite aknowledgeable Windows user. That's another scary thing - realising I'm right back in the nursery :)
18:53<Aleric>petemc: I found on the net that the nvdia drivers have this problem, work around is to use -nodga. xawtv -nodga indeed works.
18:53<dkr>running system from encrypted fs seems like a good first step. protecting when they have physical access is a lot harder, though
18:53<petemc>good jo
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18:53<dkr>mookli: we have netstat and route, at least, :)
18:53<gcs>dkr: Any other idea how to protect my system?
18:54<dkr>gcs: do "they" have access legally, e.g. your boss? or are "they" roomates that don't need access, but just have it becaue of access to location where your computer is?
18:55<dkr>if the latter, you could get a locking case. :)
18:55<dkr>set bios password, etc
18:55<dkr>if "they" are aliens or illuminati, you are out of luck. :)
18:55<mookli>Bios passwords often fail when you change the keyboard twice in succession
18:56<mookli>If you have three kbs to hand
18:56<mookli>I don't know whay that is try it it works
18:56<gcs>dkr: I work for a big company with a computer staff. So not my boss, but one of that staff who copied all of my emails to his own.
18:56<mookli>If you keep changing the keyboard most bioses will reset
18:57<mookli>losing the password
18:57<dkr>"most"? doubtful
18:57<mookli>You'd be surprised how many
18:57<mookli>Intel don't
18:57<mookli>Phoenix do
18:57<mookli>Don't believe me just try it
18:57<dkr>no need if you have physical acces you can just short the reset password/clear bios jumper
18:57<gcs>dkr, mookli: BIOS password does not protect against taking out my HDD. :-)
18:58<dkr>gcs: that was part of multi-pronged suggestion with a locking case. :)
18:58<mookli>dkr I was tinking that locking the case wouldn't stop you changing the kb
18:58<mookli>I was making aslightly different point
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18:58<mookli>I must have put it badly
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18:59<gcs>dkr: This is a company. I can't get an other case in.
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19:00<mookli>Someone told me that an old version of PGP allowed you to createa conventioally encrypted virtual drive. Would that be any answer?
19:00<mookli>I think it's one of the one's on the PGPi archive
19:00<dkr>nod, looks like encrypted filesystem is all you can do. seems like it would be good enough. if they are sleezy/annoying enough to hack your kernel to install a keylogger they could much more easily install a keylogger on your keyboard wire to catch your password there
19:01<dkr>if IT of big company will let yuo install linux they can't be that bad. :)
19:01<mookli>If I suggested installing Linux at work I would get stares of confusion
19:01<mookli>But I don't work in IT
19:02<dkr>my company is almost all linux, just accountant and vp of sales are the lone holdouts, :)
19:02<mookli>And vps take a pride in being technically ignorant
19:03<dkr>and we convinced vp to use openoffice, so he is one step closer. (his complaint of when he tried linux years ago was his need for MS office compatability wasn't met)
19:03<mookli>I've noticed that - it almost like abadge of homur :)
19:03<gcs>dkr, mookli: They want us to join their windows domain controller circle, but we can keep a normal windows install. Yet, I have installed Linux on my own, without ACK from anyone.
19:04<gcs>dkr, mookli: I'm a DD and sometimes would like to do package maintaince at work.
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19:05<dkr>we don't need to know your bra size
19:05<gcs>dkr: LOL, DD means Debian Developer. :-)
19:06<mookli>I was thinking actually - it's a shame Debian installs OO in the default desktop - Abiword would have done me at home really.
19:06<dkr>gcs: I know, just a silly joke. :)
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19:08<gcs>dkr, mookli: Thanks for helping btw. Needs some sleep. Bye!
19:09<mookli>Seeya gcs
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19:12<lucas_amorim>hello, I have just bought an LCD monitor which supports 1280x1024 resolution, my previews monitor only supported 1024x768. As in configured xorg with that monitor, I can not change the resolution to the maximum supported by the LCD. what should I do?
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19:13<lucas_amorim>My video card is a GeForce FX5200 and I am using the nvidia proprietary drivers.
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19:14<stevenrossinverness>hey guys, im using ndiswrapper for my bcm 4310 card, but my wireless card is showing as eth1. How do I get debian to see that it is a wireless card?
19:16<lupine_85>the interface /name/ is irrelevant - does it show wireless extensions when you run "iwconfig" ?
19:18<mookli>I have to go to bed - goodnight all!
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19:20<stevenrossinverness>what do you think it could be?
19:24<Aleric>First I had an image from my webcam... then it turned black when I played a bit with the xawtv configuration, and no way I can get it back anymore.
19:25<Aleric>Then, after I played a bit with the kernel module (pwc) parameters, I don't even get a fps anymore :(
19:25<Aleric>unloading the kernel module and reloading... nothing helps.
19:25<Aleric>If now I run xawtv, it says:
19:25<Aleric>v4l2: oops: select timeout
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19:25<Aleric>and I have a black image
19:25<mikkie>need very much help
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19:25<mikkie>my system crashed
19:25<Aleric>If I run transcode, which worked fine before - it hangs.
19:25<mikkie>cant start
19:26<Supaplex>!tell Aleric -about enter
19:26<mikkie>run now LiveCD - what can i do now
19:26<mikkie>where should i check whats wrong with the system
19:26<Supaplex>mikkie: crashed in what way?
19:26<mikkie>i turned off - and now doesnt start anymore
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19:27<Aleric>Supaplex: Surely you meant mikkie ...
19:27<Supaplex>Aleric: possibly
19:27<Supaplex>!tell mikkie -about enter
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19:27<mikkie>Supaplex : enter?
19:27<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
19:28<Aleric>I don't get it this.... How is it possible that I have a fine webcam image one minute, and a few minutes later NOTHING I do helps: it's totally dead :/. What changed?!?
19:28<lupine_85>Aleric: moon phase?
19:29<Aleric>*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/xawtv: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000683bf0 ***
19:29<Aleric>I can get it to crash though.
19:29<mikkie>Supaplex : okaj - so i turned off the system fully normaly - now that i came home and tried to turn on no START
19:29<Supaplex>mikkie: it won't even POST?
19:29<lupine_85>heh. well, that's ok then
19:30<mikkie>Supaplex: no because its embbed system or something like that and only reachable by network
19:31<mikkie>Supaplex: i took out the harddisk and started connected it to an PC, now i tried to find something at /var/log - but dont know where to look first
19:31<Supaplex>mikkie: so your debian embeded box won't start... what's the first sign of it starting, when it does (or did)?
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19:32<mikkie>Supaplex - usualy it was blinking arround and then was in network
19:33<Supaplex>does the drive boot in a normal pc?
19:33<mikkie>Supaplex - no, because its an different arichtecture (SH-4)
19:34<mikkie>Supaplex; but i read that Linux makes always log files and writes faults there
19:35<mikkie>Supaplex; whats about them? cant I check them and find the reason in that way?
19:35<Supaplex>open log files have a tendency to possibly lose some data at the tail end
19:35<Supaplex>but read /var/log/syslog and see what's there
19:35<mikkie>Supaplex; the important way is to get network runnin - after that i can go into by ssh
19:36<Supaplex>have you considered reinstalling it?
19:36<Supaplex>does qemu support that arch?
19:37<dpkg>somebody said qemu was a fast PC emulator that can be found at, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary).
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19:38<Supaplex>mikkie: run aptitude show qemu for more info
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19:40<mikkie>Supaplex: now the drive is out of the Box - pluged on a different PC
19:40<mikkie>running Ubuntu - LiveCD
19:40<Supaplex>debian has a live cd to
19:41<mikkie>Supaplex : was the only i had here
19:41<mikkie>Supaplex : is it so much different?
19:41<Supaplex>what's the embeded system running? debian? ubuntu? openwrt? you don't know? just plain linux? freebsd? you mom's copy of msdos 4.0? solaris? something uber special?
19:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
19:42<mikkie>Supaplex : its running debian but i think its not supported
19:43<mikkie>Supaplex: the last positions in the log.file where from today morning (when i turned it off)
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19:43<mikkie>not good
19:44<Supaplex>technology happens.
19:44<mikkie>Supaplex: the thing is that i have only a CD with a image to set it up
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19:45<mikkie>Supaplex: but when i do that -> my data on the 2nd (raid) partition will die
19:45<Supaplex>you've lost me here. I don't know how to help you.
19:45<Supaplex>I don't know what you want or what you expect
19:45<Lightnin>I recently installed debian. after a period of time the gnome screensaver kicks in showing the debian logo. after awhile the system freezes, even ctrl-alt-f1 does not respond. ideas why?
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19:46<mikkie>Supaplex : I think that my friend - which installed last week a tun0 device - maybe crashed the kernel
19:47<mikkie>Supaplex: in that case i cant do anything?
19:47<mikkie>Supaplex: where are you from?
19:47<Supaplex>revertting those changes are not all that hard
19:48<Aleric>Well, I think it's a kernel bug.. the kernel is foobar-ed :/
19:48<Aleric>I'll try a reboot
19:49<mikkie>Supaplex: that small thing is very hard to config
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19:49<mikkie>Supaplex: because there are always problems with sources and packages
19:49<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
19:50<Supaplex>mikkie: I'd also suggest removing references to it in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces)
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19:50<mikkie>Supaplex: when he was working on it to install tun0 (because not in kernel 2.14) he went into kernel-config and maybe turned something into hell
19:51<Supaplex>install the old one?
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19:52<Supaplex>what is sh-4 anyway?
19:52<mikkie>Supaplex: the old one was on the machine - without tunDevice support
19:52<chealer>Supaplex: sh
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19:53<Supaplex>alpha? arm? mips? ppc? sparc?
19:53<chealer>Supaplex: sh
19:53<Supaplex>ok. so it's not a port for stable yet.
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19:54<Supaplex>SuperH (sh)
19:54<Aleric>Yup, reboot fixed it.
19:54<george>small things can be harder to config... if you add reasonably understandable configuration language, that might add more code
19:55<mikkie>i´m quite sure he worked with the "modprobe" but its isnt there+
19:58<mikkie>interfaces looking good
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20:05<george>mikkie: to see if interfaces file -is- good, try ifup and ifdown on every interface listed
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20:05<Supaplex>mikkie: it appears that port is in its total infantcy
20:06<george>after doing either ifup or ifdown on an interface, compare output of ifconfig -a to output of ifconfig without the -a
20:08<mikkie>george: i cant - no network -> no ssh -> no input
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20:09<george>oh, so you're sshed in?
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20:10<Aleric>time for another reboot ...
20:10<george>in that case you're absolutely right... you shouldn't do that :)
20:10<Aleric>kernel module oops-ed, can't be unloaded and is using 100% cpu :( (of one core)
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20:11<mikkie>no - only pluged HDD into other pc
20:13<chealer>george: that's not the way to do it anyway.
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20:15<george>chealer, oh, you mean use invoke-rc.d networking?
20:15<george>that would test em all
20:16<george>or maybe use -n to make sure what's going to happen
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20:19<george>well ok, since you're not responding I'll be keeping my way as "a way"
20:19<mikkie>I have here a few rcX.d folders
20:20<chealer>george: yes, ifup -na
20:20<mikkie>those are like autoexec.bat in windows?
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20:20<lupine_85>not even a little
20:21<lupine_85>but rc2.d is the one you (probably) want to be in
20:22<george>i've done this before to test: while watching a ping of box in question from another box... ifdown eth0 ; sleep 10 ; ifup eth9
20:23<george>autoexec.bat happens after a lot of things come up.... these things are more bringing the more basic things up
20:23<chealer>mikkie: did you check /etc/init.d/README ?
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20:31<mikkie>a readme file?
20:31<chealer>mikkie: yes
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20:34<mikkie>for what?
20:34<mikkie>i only want to find the fealure
20:34<chealer>mikkie: it should answer your question.
20:35<mikkie>because i cant work on it
20:36<mikkie>i can only fix it and try - then take out the hdd and if its not working try to fix again ant put it together and so on
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20:42<Vocalist>Errors were encountered while processing:
20:42<Vocalist>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
20:42<Vocalist>help me plz~
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20:45<mikkie>thanks - bye
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20:46<mikkie>i´ll try tomorow
20:46<Aleric>How can I get the linux/config.h file that belongs to my kernel?
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20:59<LightningTH>I recently installed the latest debian version. Been using the console for years on another system. Any ideas why, after the screensaver is running for awhile, the system freezes?
20:59<LightningTH>I think it may be related to power management but I disabled that in gnome. Would there be a module I should unload or a setting I should do in /etc ?
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21:01<DanDare>LightKnight, its not a graphic driver related problem?
21:01<LightKnight>LightningTH: ^^^
21:02<DanDare>well, tab key is hell
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21:02<LightKnight>Press it multiple times :-)
21:03<LightningTH>DanDare: any way to tell? I'm using the default and as long as i dont let the screensaver enable for a period of time i'm fine
21:03<LightningTH>i know that much
21:03<DanDare>if youre using default so its strange
21:03<LightningTH>i agre
21:03<DanDare>i had this same issue in etch, on laptop
21:04<LightningTH>err, agree. i may look for another screensaver then see if the system freezes. something that isnt a default
21:04<DanDare>but dont get issue fixed cause i just installed an ran 3 times
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21:04<LightningTH>took me forever to get linux to bootup on this comp. the sata drives can only be set to auto and kept changing id's
21:04<LightningTH>if i have a cd in, linux wont boot due to the id's changing
21:04<LightningTH>go figure
21:04<DanDare>are you using etch?
21:05<Vocalist>Errors were encountered while processing:
21:05<Vocalist> ./var/cache/apt/archives/ircd-hybrid_1%3a7.2.2.dfsg.2-3_i386.deb
21:05<Vocalist>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
21:05<LightningTH>whatever is cur stable
21:05<Vocalist>help me plz
21:05<DanDare>irq steerings or something? o.O
21:05<LightningTH>last version i used was potato
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21:05<LightningTH>Vocalist: no other info on the screen?
21:06<LightningTH>the %3a may be a problem
21:07<DanDare>LightningTH, i dunno what is going on but tried to disable ACPI on the BIOS ?
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21:09<LightningTH>DanDare: think it is disabled but i'll reverify
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21:09<LightningTH>wonder if the linux module is loaded for it
21:09<Vocalist>Unpacking ircd-hybrid (from .../ircd-hybrid_1%3a7.2.2.dfsg.2-3_i386.deb) ...
21:09<Vocalist>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ircd-hybrid_1%3a7.2.2.dfsg.2-3_i386.deb (--unpack):
21:09<Vocalist> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
21:09<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
21:10<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: there's an error in the ircd-hybrid preinst
21:10<Vocalist>not my problem?
21:10<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: look at the preinst, if it's a shell script, add set -x to the top, and then rerun it
21:10<dondelelcaro>!info ircd-hybrid
21:10<dpkg>ircd-hybrid: (high-performance secure IRC server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 553 kB, Installed size: 2232 kB
21:11<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: then file a bug with that output against ircd-hybrid
21:11<Vocalist>what should i do?
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21:12<LightningTH>quick Q, i know my brother's mac has a program where you move to the sides of the screen to get menu's, etc. know of a gnome version? if not, does kde have it and is kde worth using?
21:16<dondelelcaro>LightningTH: what types of menus?
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21:17<LightningTH>they pop out when moving to the left or right side to list programs, etc
21:18<LightningTH>tempted to swap over to kde
21:18<LightningTH>just not sure what it takes to make it default after it is installed
21:18<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: please keep it in channel; I've told you want to do. If you don't understand what I've said, ask specific questions
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21:19<chealer>LightningTH: it's just a display manager configuration
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21:19<Vocalist>i enter this? set -x ircd-hybrid_1%3a7.2.2.dfsg.2-3_i386.deb
21:20<LightningTH>ya, just remember i've been doing console since potato
21:20<LightningTH>actually, slink but potato is what i've been using
21:21<kess77>LightningTH: kde has an "auto-hide" feature for the kicker, which can be dragged to any edge you like
21:21<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: no, you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/ircd-hybrid.preinst; and if it starts with #!/bin/sh you make it #!/bin/sh -x
21:24<LightningTH>boy, wondering why i poked around on win2k for so long
21:24<LightningTH>just need to convert my ntfs drives over
21:24<Vocalist>no such file, but there are ircd-hybrid.postrm ircd-hybrid.postrm
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21:25<dondelelcaro>Vocalist: wait, are you running apt-get install ircd-hybrid?
21:26<LightningTH>apt-get is the easier way
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21:26<LightningTH>might try it :
21:26<EnKiL>i buy a new video card how i make debin reconiz it ?? mi model is 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
21:27<LightningTH>reconize how?
21:27<Vocalist>yes, i run apt-get install ircd-hybrid just now
21:27<LightningTH>as in use outside of the default video?
21:27<EnKiL>i just buy it i put it in winwos runs ok but not in debian im trying tu run beryl
21:27<LightningTH>if you want anything extra you need the nvidia driver. i dont recall any details on it though. I know that there is an open source one in the works too
21:27<EnKiL>and nothing
21:28<chealer>EnKiL: if lspci shows that, Debian already recognizes it.
21:28<EnKiL>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
21:28<LightningTH>ya, what you pasted is showing it sees it, and it should work with a generic video
21:28<EnKiL>yes i put lspci -v |grep VGA
21:28<LightningTH>gnome is running for me on a geforce 6800
21:28<EnKiL>mine 5200
21:29<LightningTH>so the generic video driver should have no trouble with it
21:29<EnKiL>i dont know igf i need a driver or something to make it run
21:29<EnKiL>y run beryl and the is pretty slow and the screen turns white
21:30<LightningTH>maybe google "beryl linux nvidia" ?
21:30<LightningTH>might point out a few things to check
21:30<EnKiL>is allready installed
21:30<kess77>I run beryl on an FX 5500, but I needed the nVidia drivers installed for 3D
21:31<kess77>google for "install nVidia the Debian way", nVidia instructions did not work for me
21:31<LightningTH>need the latest nvidia drivers, not the generic ones
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21:32<LightningTH>i'd try following that page first
21:32<EnKiL>im gonna follow the intructions on that page
21:32<EnKiL>lets see what happend
21:33<LightningTH>looks like i need to dl the kernel source and recompile it with the ntfs module
21:34<LightningTH>not sure if there is a benefit to running 64bit as i'd need to then setup a 32bit library to run the 32bit apps that want them
21:34<Aleric>Can I get apt-get to ignore dependencies?
21:34<Aleric> mplayer: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0) but 2.10.13-1 is to be installed
21:34<Aleric>E0x: Broken packages
21:35<Aleric>That is just nonsense... it should be installed :/
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21:35<Aleric>How to tell it to install it anyway?
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21:35<LightningTH>it looks like apt thinks that 2.10.13-1, an older version, is trying to be installed/was selected instead
21:36<LightningTH>might see if you can unselect it. i dont see a param to apt-get to bypass a dependancy
21:36<LightningTH>doing -f *might* do it, that is an integrity check bypass
21:36<LightningTH>or -m
21:36<LightningTH>continue if archives are not able to be located
21:37<Aleric>dpkg has --force-depends
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21:38<LightningTH>might look around and see why 2.10.13-1 is set to be installed and fix that as that could also screw you up in the future
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21:38<LightningTH>brb, going to see if i can get kde to come up instead of gnome
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21:39<Aleric>2.10.13-1 is testing, that is correct
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21:40<chealer>Aleric: are you using a testing/sid mix or what?
21:41<Aleric>The version of mplayer that I try to install is from testing too.
21:41<Aleric>It's dependency is wrong.
21:41<Aleric>I need to force this install :/
21:42<chealer>Aleric: which version is it?
21:43<Aleric> Version table:
21:43<Aleric> 1:1.0.rc2-0.1 0
21:43<Aleric> 990 testing/main Packages
21:43<Aleric> 500 unstable/main Packages
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21:43<chealer>Aleric: that's not from testing.
21:43<Aleric>It says 'testing'
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21:43<Aleric>So... the dependency is wrong.
21:43<Aleric>You asked about the version.
21:44<chealer>Aleric: no. the problem is that you're trying to install a version which isn't from testing.
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21:44<GrayThunder>I am consistantly getting a "too many files open" error even when I dont use the computer for a couple days. (it is powered up 24/7) where do I look for the problem?
21:45<Supaplex>dpkg: where are my install dvds for the mac? well? ;)
21:45<dpkg>Supaplex: what are you talking about?
21:45<Supaplex>so you're hiding them!
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21:49<struct>GrayThunder: is there a program opening a lot of files?
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21:53<GrayThunder>struct: i just found that cron has quite a few rdate open
21:54<struct>GrayThunder: sounds like you have reached your open file descriptor limit
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21:54<struct>GrayThunder: you can increase it but that might not really fix the problem if you have a program opening lots of files when it should not be
21:55<GrayThunder>struct: but why would there be so many rdate(s) trying to run?
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21:55<struct>GrayThunder: not sure
21:56<struct>GrayThunder: you using etch?
21:56<struct>GrayThunder: why not just use ntp?
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21:57<GrayThunder>struct: yes i am using etch
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21:57<twb>!transparent proxy
21:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, transparent proxy is a man-in-the-middle attack, or try something like $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $LAN_IFACE -p TCP --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
21:57<GrayThunder>i will give ntp a try
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22:02<twb>Hmm, that didn't quite work.
22:03<twb>I guess I gotta teach <magic> to squid
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22:14<twb>Never mind, working now.
22:14<warrior>control the mac of my girl why I must make of the things, while she is playing... I would want to make them to appear writing on its monitor one... which could be the command?
22:14<warrior>control in ssh
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22:16<Lightning>ok, go figure.
22:16<twb>warrior: I do not understand.
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22:17<Lightning>running ok, acpi disabled in bios and acpid killed
22:17<Lightning>system froze, mouse responds though and cant go to ctrl-alt-1 etc
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22:17<Lightning>nothing responds but mouse moves
22:19<warrior>ok i am control the mac in the ssh
22:19<warrior>I would want to make she a joke and to make she to appear video writing which is the commando?
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22:19<LightningTH>any ideas?
22:19<DanDare>There´s any chance that while installing (and after during using) i got my laptop CPU melted cause etch wont recognize my laptop´s hardware and thus not activating fans when need?
22:20<warrior>twb, ok?
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22:22<warrior>twb, ok?
22:22<DanDare>ok so
22:23<DanDare>in roma do like romans
22:25<amphi>"when in Rome, burn it"
22:26<ameyer>DanDare: worst case. the BIOS should take emergency corrective actions
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22:27<DanDare>ameyer, ok thanks
22:27<ameyer>either turning on the fan or shutting down, in theory
22:27<DanDare>so i think its ok starting and monitoring fan activity
22:27<DanDare>its an HP laptop maybe it have good resources in emergency cases
22:28<ameyer>I know my old dell seems to have the fans mostly controlled by the bios
22:28<DanDare>i heard that intel cpu´s have built-in protection against excessive hot
22:28<DanDare>but thi is amd
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22:28<ameyer>I know the p4 would underclock if it overheated
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22:30<LightningTH>ya, amd doesnt. only the motherboard, if any
22:30<LightningTH>my motherboard does as an example
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22:32<DanDare>asus owns in terms of motherboards imo
22:32<DanDare>asus + forceware shipsets = good
22:33<ameyer>until further notce, AMD sucks as far as I'm concerned
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22:34<ameyer>Intel's the only graphics card manufacturer with proper linux support right now...
22:35<DanDare>i always prefered intel
22:35<ameyer>and since they (semi-understandably) only do integrated stuff for their own processors right now, AMD's not really an option until ATI or nVidia gets their stuff together
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22:35<DanDare>thi laptop was my first amd buy in life
22:37<ameyer>haha, trolltech
22:37<DanDare>well, second... that old 486 amd cpu was my first
22:37<ameyer>I mean, who names a tech company trolltech?
22:37<DanDare>by that time amd was better
22:38<ameyer>I've never had an AMD chip, and I'd love to have an AMD chip in my next computer, but...
22:39<ameyer>then agaain, waiting to see what happens isn't the end of the world
22:39[~]DanDare waits
22:39<ameyer>and my laptop needs replacement worse than my desktop anyway
22:40<DanDare>well, my desktop is an 2001 computer, it still do the job... but is coming the time it will need to be replaced
22:40<ameyer>\(as I understand it, Intel's laptop platform is significantly better than AMD's laptop platform anyway)
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22:40<ameyer>laptop: 2000, desktop: 2003...
22:41<DanDare>my main linux box its an pentium MMX
22:42<twb>ipmasq fucks with my iptables, so I can no longer edit them directly with iptables(8). Where is the appropriate place to change them?
22:42<DanDare>so sweet how it does everything i need
22:42<ameyer>I'm hoping to retire my lappy when Lenny's no longer supported
22:42<DanDare>even running teamspeak server it handles supperb well
22:42<ameyer>but realistically, I don't think it'll make it that far
22:42[~]DanDare thinks about windows ...pffff...
22:43<ameyer>yeah, XP'd be more than a bit iffy on my laptop
22:45<ameyer>it apparently shipped with Windows 95 and 128 MB of RAM...
22:45<DanDare>you what sucks anyway?
22:45<DanDare>im windows dependable
22:45<ameyer>which means it only had to be rebooted once every 10 minutes
22:45<ameyer>it took MS 4 years to figure out Windows 95 froze afterr 49.7 days...
22:45<DanDare>only things that makes me a windows slave today its AutoCAD and MS Office
22:46<DanDare>hell, an super nice company like autodesk should make autocad for linux
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22:50<DanDare>twb, strange, i got ipmasq installed but still can use iptables command
22:50<DanDare>im not sure but seens that ipmasq does nothing more than write a iptables ruleset
22:51<DanDare>at least on etch
22:53<dli>DanDare, NAT is simple enough to do by iptables
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22:54<DanDare>dli, i know. You mean im right saying that ipmasq does nothing more than make some iptables rules?
22:55<DanDare>or that you simple dont need ipmasq?
22:55<DanDare>or nothing of both? :p
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22:55<dli>DanDare, no, no need for a simple router
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22:56<DanDare>but you will need dnsmasq right?
22:56<DanDare>well, i´ve heard about bind but never used
22:57<dli>DanDare, I run simple iptables rules for NAT and bind on LAN
22:58<dli>DanDare, the easiest howto for NAT:
22:58<DanDare>very thanks dli I really apreciated this
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22:59<DanDare>"You will need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf and change the line that says net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 to net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1" even doing , echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
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23:00<iamtravis>could any of you answer a couple questions regarding segmentation in linux and the initial page tables of a kernel?
23:00<DanDare>like no effect in echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward if dont edit sysctl.conf?
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23:01<DanDare>damn, forget my last 2 questions its answered on that page i guess
23:02<iamtravis>i noticed in the book i'm reading that the base linear address assigned to the kernel code/kernel data segments is 0x00000000 (32bit book reference) and that the kernel offset in a process linear address space is 0xc0000000 , so if anybody could clear this little bit up that'd be awesome! i've been trying to figure it out off and on for a few days
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23:05<Paper>hi all, can anyone tell me how to add an existing user to multiple user groups?
23:06<dondelelcaro>Paper: adduser user group;
23:06<Paper>adduser (username) (groupname) seems to work with only one group name
23:06<dondelelcaro>Paper: man adduser; for details
23:06<dondelelcaro>Paper: yes, so you issue it multiple times
23:06<dondelelcaro>(or if you're lazy, for a in group1 group2 group3; do adduser user $a; done;
23:06<Paper>that's what I thought
23:06<iamtravis>and the second question regards the statically initialized provisional page global directory stored in the swapper_pg_dir variable, for this i noticed earlier on that a page global/32 bit page directory entry with the accessed, dirty, rw and present flags cleared is returned as 1 by the function pgd_bad(), so i was wondering how this particular set of initial page tables are differentiated from the others
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23:09<iamtravis>I'm guessing for the first now that the segmentation registers are set accordingly and only the 0xc0000000+ linear addresses are mapped into corresponding physical addresses when the cr3 register is loaded with the corresponding selector
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23:12<hl3fx>im a newb with a simple question. what is the best method for understanding linux from the ground up
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23:13<hl3fx>im tired of running into barriers as i try to do simple tasks, its driving me crazy.
23:13<chealer>hl3fx: maybe reading a guide, like introduction to linux
23:14<DanDare>i remember my first linux times
23:14<dli>hl3fx, just use it and ask for specific question here, and the gurus will tell you what to read
23:14<DanDare>i printed some old Unix book
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23:14<DanDare>that helped a lot.
23:15<dli>DanDare, I guess for anyone who never used unix
23:15<DanDare>its cool
23:16<DanDare>learned about the sync command and other useless stuff
23:16<hl3fx>someone made a comment at one point in my readings. Unix users tend to understand Linux better than Linux users understand Unix. i suppose ill start there. Installing Ubuntu and using the GUI does not help in understanding.
23:16<DanDare>among other very usefull ones
23:16<hl3fx>starting from the ground up, to really understand it. what do you suggest...
23:16<dli>hl3fx, this is #debian
23:16<hl3fx>i know
23:16<JasonS>hl3fx: install debian and start reading
23:16<hl3fx>im just sayin
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23:17<DanDare>you can still perform sync in today´s etch
23:17<dli>unfortunately, #ubuntu channel don't have many gurus out:(
23:17<DanDare>it is used by some internals?
23:18<DanDare>or just to keep back compatibility?
23:18<DanDare>as a real clone
23:18<dli>DanDare, sure, sync is still there. if must be issued say, for shutdown
23:19<DanDare>right before halt i guess
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23:19<Willdude>Hi there! I'm having a very sticky little problem with my Toshiba laptop. Since I had to copy all the files out of the extended partitions onto an external HDD I have just long enough to repartition everything except the root directory, my user account will not boot into X -- although root does so just fine.
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23:20<Willdude>I am running debian lenny and KDE. Space is not a problem.
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23:21<Willdude>The hang-up seems to be in conjunction with the password screen. Every time I fill in my password and send it, the screen flashes black twice, and there's the password request again. This thing is driving me to distraction. Any ideas?
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23:22<chealer>Willdude: it's not a permission issue?
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23:23<antiver>anyone know of a good irc server for a #python channel?
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23:25<chealer>antiver: an IRC server for a channel? you mean a network?
23:25<antiver>yeah, sry
23:25<Willdude>chealer: If it is a permission issue, I have been unable to find it.
23:26<chealer>Willdude: did you check .xsession-errors?
23:27<blarson>Willdude: Did you check the permissions of the mount point? (Hidden by the mount, so you need to look when it's unmounted.)
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23:30<twb>12:50 <DanDare> twb, strange, i got ipmasq installed but still can use iptables command
23:30<twb>DanDare: yes, but starting/stopping ipmasq blows away the rules you add
23:30<Willdude>chealer: Yes. And it still says only "open: permission denied".
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23:30<twb>antiver: freenode
23:30<chealer>Willdude: yeah, well it still looks like a permission issue then.
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23:31<twb>antiver: although it's not very good, because most of the people there only know Python and so have limited experience to draw on
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23:32<antiver>twb: lol, thanks, good enough :P
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23:33<Willdude>chealer: Permissions of which mount point?
23:33<chealer>Willdude: not necessarily a mount point.
23:36<DanDare>twb, i see
23:36<DanDare>twb, why you need ipmasq?
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23:37<Willdude>chealer: Oops, I'm sorry - that last answer should have gone tp blarson.
23:38<Willdude>chealer: Oops, I'm sorry - that last answer should have gone to blarson.
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23:40<Willdude>blarson: Permissions of which mount point?
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23:41<twb>DanDare: so that packets will get back to the hosts sitting on the second network without my having to get root and add routes to the route tables on all the hosts on the first network
23:41<twb>That being what ipmasq is always used for.
23:42<DanDare>twb, ok
23:42<DanDare>some guy just made me reading this today:
23:43<DanDare>i dunno if helps you as im just a noob
23:43<twb>Of course often one network is "the internet" and the other is "my home network".
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23:43<DanDare>but im sure that ppl can do things without using ipmasq
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23:44[~]DanDare not that sure but tries
23:44<blarson>Willdude: The mount point of your external drive.
23:44<twb>er... yeaaaaah
23:44<twb>In the same way that you can drive a car on two wheels if you're REALLY careful
23:45<DanDare>if you´re REALLY skilled
23:45<DanDare>and careful as one of the biggest skill however
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23:48<Willdude>blarson: My external drive is not presently hooked up. At the moment, all files are on my hda.
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23:54<blarson>Willdude: I guess I missunderstood your problem.
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23:57<Willdude>chealer: I have spent most of the last 24 hours investigating permissions of files, in case there was a problem there. I even went so far as to log onto to look over their technical descriptions of the booting process, and checked all files referred to very carefully. If there is a hair out of place, I cannot find it.
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