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00:07<Willdude>blarson: I'm not surprised. Let me rephrase my opener: I said that I'm having a very sticky little problem with my Toshiba laptop. Since I had to copy all the files out of the extended partitions onto an external HDD I have just long enough to repartition everything except the root directory, my user account will not boot into X -- although root does so just fine. I probably should have gone on to clarify that my repartitioning was done and the
00:07<Willdude>drive's contents moved back to hda, where it belongs.
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00:07<simonrvn>question: what does kde have to do with booting?
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00:09<deuryte>LAST DAYS??
00:11<blarson>Willdude: bad permissions on mount points can affect the mounted partitions, and can be hard to spot. If you have more than a single partition, check you mount point permissions.
00:13<twb>Willdude: are you using kdm?
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00:25<Willdude>twb: Yes.
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00:29<twb>Willdude: what "session" (e.g. KDE, XFCE, Xclient) are you using?
00:29<Willdude>blarson: I just got done umounting all three of my extended partitions. All three were in excellent order.
00:30<Willdude>twb: I use KDE.
00:30<twb>Then I cannot help you.
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00:31<simonrvn>twb said mountpoiints
00:32<twb>I did?
00:32<simonrvn>oh sorry, blarson did
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00:41<user01>be honest . . . am i too critical of compiz? is it really a good thing?
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00:45<dli>Willdude, I remember telling you about permissions
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00:50<Willdude>chealer: Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that the results when I try to boot using startx are quite different than the default ones. In that case, I don't get any .xsession-errors file at all. What does happen is that the X server cannot create /tmp files for me, notwithstanding the contents of the directory, which now stands empty. This it tells me by means of a little error message box on the x screen itself.
00:50<Willdude>dli: What did you tell me about them?
00:51<dli>Willdude, yesterday, I told you about the reason, "cp -ax", to fix, check /dev /etc /tmp permisions
00:52<dli>Willdude, also, /home
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00:55<Willdude>dli Ah. yes, I remember now. And, as I recall, what I said was: So what am I looking for in the /tmp and /etc permissions? They're both set to rwxr xr x for root. N.B.: Neither of those was copied off in my recent operation, as they are in the root partition.
00:55<dli>Willdude, /tmp shouldn't be that
00:56<Willdude>dli And why not?
00:56<dli>Willdude, do this: chmod 1777 /tmp
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00:57<dli>Willdude, the easiest way, find a working machine, ls -l, it won't take a whole day to fix
00:59<Willdude>dli your operation changed my /tmp directory to drwxrwxrwt.
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01:00<dli>Willdude, go ahead with /home, and /dev also
01:00<dli>Willdude, use a working machine to find out the proper settings
01:02<Willdude>dli I have a working machine here -- the one I'm typing on. I tell you that there is no discernable difference between any of the files!!
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01:05<dli>Willdude, check all permissions first
01:06<dli>Willdude, since you told me /tmp was rwxr xr x
01:07<Supaplex>755. :p
01:07<dli>Willdude, also, you'd better pastebin, instead of writing in your own format
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01:10<Willdude>dli: I have to say that your suggestion has solved it. Looking at my desktop here, I saw that /var and /tmp were both set to mode 1777. Therefore, I changed the same two directories on my laptop -- and voila! Now it boots just fine. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!!
01:11<Supaplex>no problem. that'll be $175
01:11<dli>Willdude, unfortunately, I said it yesterday already, it degrades the quality of #debian
01:12<Willdude>u[a[l;ex: Ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha ha ha
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01:12<Willdude>Supaplex: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
01:13<dli>Willdude, by the way, /var should 0755, not 1777
01:15<Willdude>dli: What you had not done was tell me specifically how your advice had to hit my system. That you did today -- thus saving the day for #debian!!
01:17<Willdude>My many thanks to chealer and dli in particular for their fine efforts in helping me to a solution of my latest problem.
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01:18<dli>Willdude, even chealer didn't get it fixed for you?
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01:20<Willdude>dli: Are you certain of that: On my working machine, it's definitely set to 1777. I realize that concerning chealer, of course; but he was in there helping me as best he could.
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01:22<dli>Willdude, listen to chealer, /var should be 0755
01:23<Willdude>dli Oops -- mea ulpa
01:24<Willdude>dli Oops -- mea ulpa
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01:30<Willdude>dli: Oops -- mea culpa! I see now that it is set to 777, not 1777. Why do you recommend the 755 setting?
01:33<Supaplex>777 is too insecure
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01:34<dpkg>hmm... 1777 is /tmp's perms or -rwxrwxrwt
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01:34<dli>Willdude, since you have messed up, try to start here:
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01:38<Willdude>dli I'm convinced -- it didn't hurt my X booting at all.
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01:42<Willdude>dli: Thank again for putting up with my hard head and soft fingers!!
01:43<dli>Willdude, still follow the gentoo handbook to check whether you got more permissions messed
01:44<Willdude>dli I'll say that all other directories are set to 755 now.
01:47<Willdude>dli Thanks again for the reference, and for the help!!
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02:29<iamtravis>hello, do any of you know the command line to grab the perl tk library that's required by some programs?
02:31<jm_>!tell iamtravis -about search
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02:33<Supaplex>deafening silence in dolby 7.1
02:33[~]simonrvn heard a piece of hay hit the ground
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02:40[~]blarson wonders if someone lost a left glove
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02:44<twb>Yeah, me
02:45<twb>It had my hand in it, too.
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02:46<k-man_>where do i set the domain name?
02:46<twb>Dad and I had an... altercation and I ended up hanging onto a weathervane under the city
02:46<k-man_>on a debian box?
02:46<ne>I am using debian-etch, but I want to install a testing package. How can I do that with apt-get ? thanks
02:46<twb>Without the aforementioned glove, which I was quite fond of
02:46<Supaplex>k-man_: /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf
02:46<twb>k-man_: /etc/defaultdomain?
02:46<Supaplex>k-man_: oh, and /etc/hostname
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02:49<stoqnist>Where I can find lenny netinstall or bussiness iso
02:49<stoqnist>I downloaded it previously and now it's gone : )
02:50<twb>stoqnist: I get mine from the internet
02:50<k-man_>what is the difference between the name you set in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname?
02:50<iamtravis>the make gconfig on the kernel is saying i need the gtk+ 2.0 development package installed but i couldn't see it from the apt-file or dpkg outputs
02:50<twb>k-man_: hostname is THIS system's name
02:50<twb>k-man_: hosts maps IPs to names
02:51<Supaplex>hosts (5) - The static table lookup for host names
02:51<Supaplex>hostname (1) - show or set the system's host name
02:51<jm_>iamtravis: once again, apt-cache search will help you find it
02:51<iamtravis>i don't know how to use regular expressions
02:51<Supaplex>it's a good idea to keep it in both so dns lookups don't slow/fail/rely on any nameservers
02:51<jm_>you don't need to use regular expressions for this
02:51<k-man_>twb, so you can have a primary name for a system defined in hostname
02:52<k-man_>and aliases for it defined in /etc/hosts?
02:52<jm_>simple "apt-cache search gtk devel" will find it
02:52<twb>k-man_: hosts does the same job as DNS
02:53<iamtravis>ok, thanks
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02:54<jm_>you shouldn't be compiling your own kernel if you have problems with this
02:55<twb>You hardly need to roll-your-own kernel anyway unless you have an ideological dislike of ramdisks.
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02:56<seanius>a ramdisk killed my parents
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02:56<seanius>i have sworn revenge ever since
02:56<iamtravis>i have a creative soundblaster xfi sound driver that won't install no matter what i do and my card fan on my motherboard is going full blast all the time
02:56<Risjh>hi! my /var partition is filled completely. I want to resize the /var partition so as to create some more space for it. Or should i create a symlink to a place in /home ( which has 30GB space). In case of partitioning, how do i proceed? thanks.
02:56<jm_>you're still doing that? :)
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02:57<iamtravis>i haven't paid very much attention to it in the last bit but it's still bothering me
02:58<shooter>gpartd should help
02:58<twb>Risjh: step #1: go back in time and remind yourself, when setting up the system, to use LVM
02:58<twb>step #2: joy
02:59<Risjh>twb, :(
02:59<jm_>Risjh: it also doesn't make much sense to use anything other than / and /home for a desktop system
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02:59<Risjh>jm_, yes, i know, the partitioning during install wasn't a very wise choice as i see now
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03:00<jm_>Risjh: installation manual has a chapter about it, did you read that?
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03:01<jm_>appendix even
03:01<Risjh_>jm_, yes, i know, the partitioning during install wasn't a very wise choice as i see now
03:01<Risjh_>i was dc, can someone paste please
03:02<Risjh_>so any suggestions for me now?
03:03<twb>You need to gank the partition table, then gank the filesystem
03:03<twb>Probably the former will be quite fiddly
03:03<Risjh_>using? gparted? i tried, but it doesn't show any option to resize a partition
03:04<twb>I don't use GUIs, but any partition table editor will do
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03:05<Supaplex>lame partitions < LMV2
03:05<twb>Actually, parted *can* resize offline ext2 filesystems
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03:09<Risjh___>is there some tool to resize it?
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03:10<chealer>ne: which one?
03:11<ne>chealer: I did thank you. it was gnuplot4.2. I put some mirror links of Debian lenny in to /etc/apt/source.list. and isntalled but additionally lots of packages were also installed or upgraded
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03:12<chealer>ne: heh...right
03:13<chealer>Risjh: please show us how your disk(s) are partitioned
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03:13<Risjh>chealer, fdisk -l? or df -h?
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03:14<chealer>Risjh: a mix of both. a qtparted screenshot would be good
03:15<Risjh>chealer, ( fdisk -l)
03:15<Risjh>and mount ->
03:15<jm_>Risjh: maybe simple apt-cache clean will do?
03:16<chealer>Risjh: how much space do you want to add?
03:16<Risjh>jm_, yes, but is it wise to do that? I have a 256Kbps internet connection
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03:16<twb>I talk to the trees
03:16<twb>That's why they put me away
03:16<Risjh>df -h is
03:17<jm_>Risjh: do you keep reinstalling packages all the time?
03:17<Risjh>chealer, around 1 Gb more?
03:17<Risjh>jm_, not exactly, but when i have some erros ( lenny) then.
03:17<chealer>Risjh: what about df?
03:17<Risjh> <- this?
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03:18<jm_>and 300M for boot, very generous of you ;)
03:18<Risjh>not needed? it was my first install, so messed up really bad :(
03:21<Risjh>any suggestions?
03:22<jm_>up to you really, we already gave you generic sugegstions how to approach it, pick one
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03:23<Risjh>ok, trying to use parted
03:23<Risjh>thanks for the help
03:24<chealer>Risjh: yes. you could size down 5, 6 or 6 by ~3 GB then copy /var there.
03:24<jm_>alternatively you could symlink/bind mount dir(s) that use the most space in /var
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03:24<jm_>we talked about that yesterday
03:24<chealer>s/or 6/or 7/
03:25<Risjh>chealer, using parted?
03:25<Risjh>jm_, i think , apt/archives is the one using the most space
03:25<chealer>Risjh: then you'd just need to switch your /var to the new partition. parted should help, yes.
03:25<Risjh>ok, thanks reading the man page now
03:26[~]Risjh shall remember to use LVM from the next time :/
03:26<jm_>Risjh: you can also specify another dir for it in apt config
03:27<shooter>lvm really good,but mostly used in enterprise
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03:27<Risjh>what is the suggested partitioning for desktops?
03:27<jm_>and /home, or just /
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03:27<twb>Just /, but on LVM, is what *I* say
03:28<jm_>Dir::Cache tells it which dir to use
03:28<jm_>that should be "/ and /home, or just /" :)
03:28<shooter>/boot should be isolated
03:29<shooter>and noauto in //etc//fstab
03:29<Risjh>how much for /boot?
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03:29<shooter>32m will be enough
03:30<shooter>or even small
03:30[~]the-dude_ doesn't like small bootpartitions
03:30<jm_>Risjh: how big is your initrd?
03:31<shooter>i don't use that
03:32<jm_>right so with 30M you can only have 4 kernels
03:32<the-dude_>just make it 100Megs or so diskspace is very cheap
03:32<shooter>files in /boot(vmlinuz,initrd,/grub,and what?)
03:32<the-dude_>you will hate a small boot when upgrading minor versions of a kernel
03:33<Risjh>hmm, so a 100MB would be safe enough?
03:33<iamtravis>is there a command to see how big your kernel image is?
03:33<shooter>than 128mb is good
03:33<shooter>ls -l
03:33<jm_>Risjh: I guess, but with modern systems you can avoid having separate /boot partition
03:33<jm_>(different story if you'll use LVM or somesuch)
03:33<shooter>right,maybe i was lfs addicted
03:34<the-dude_>Risjh: Yeah make it 100MB or so that will give you enough space
03:34<Risjh>ok, thank you all for all the help! :)
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03:37<jm_>the simplest thing in this case is to simply reconfigure apt I think
03:37<jm_>but keep recommendations in mind for the next time
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03:42[~]chealer 's var is 1.7 GB, without cleaning.
03:42<jm_>mine's 3G with nothing in apt cache
03:42[~]chealer felt like using /me
03:43<jm_>ahh no I lied, 2.5G in apt cache :P
03:43<jm_>forgot that I moved squid to another system
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03:44<shooter>clean it temperorily
03:44<chealer>jm_: 2.5G in apt cache or with nothing in apt cache?
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03:44<jm_>chealer: total usage is 3.1G, but 2.5G of that is in apt cache
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03:46<chealer>jm_: wah, I also have 1.5 GB of APT cache.
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03:47<chealer>Risjh: I suppose jm_ is right. better cleaning APT cache than messing with partitions.
03:47<Risjh>how do i clean? apt-cache clean?
03:47<Risjh>or just delete, the files in archive?
03:47<jm_>use clean
03:47<shooter>apt-get clean
03:48<shooter>or manually delete old packs
03:48<jm_>uhh I noticed I said apt-cache clean earlier, it shows how often I use it
03:48<dli>is there a smart clean? to clean up only outdated ones
03:48<chealer>dli: autoclean
03:48<dli>chealer, thanks
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03:49<chealer>Risjh: apt-get autoclean; for the "safe" part, clean for more space. feel free to check the manual page.
03:49<Risjh>chealer, yep doing that, thanks :)
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03:52<dli>chealer, I guess the autoclean feature should be on by default
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03:54<todorova>salut à tout le monde je suis nouvelle ici
03:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
03:54<nowhere_man>todorova: pour parler français, c'est sur #debian-fr
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03:57<mikkel>hi is it possible to test which network im connected to inside /etc/network/interfaces.. i need to set $http_proxy when im connected to the network at school. but not when im home.. y
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03:58<jm_>mikkel: and you're using dhcp?
03:58<mikkel>yes both places
03:58<jm_>use post-up and test it there and adjust things as necessary
03:59<mikkel>how do i test it?
03:59<nowhere_man>mikkel: see whereami and guessnet
03:59<nowhere_man>that's exactly what those packages do (testing the network)
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04:00<mikkel>seen em.. they seem to be huge compared to the task.
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04:00<jm_>could be something as simple as checking your interface address, or a gateway used
04:01<mikkel>when im at school my ip addy starts with 172.*.*.* when im home i use 192.*.*.*
04:02<shooter>write a script to export different http_proxy
04:02<mikkel>was thinking something regex then some if else statement
04:02<mikkel>but im no good at grep/awk :/
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04:03<shooter>if [awk or sed !@#$%^ -eq xxxx]then export xxx
04:03<shooter>something like that
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04:05<mikkel>well i need to test for the first 3 numbers in the ip since it's dhcp and could change after that
04:05<shooter>or export manually after check ifconfig
04:05<mikkel>how do i write wildcards?
04:05<dpkg>To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
04:06<mikkel>thanks a bunch looks like just the thing i need :)
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04:10<fanto666>Hello, I'm upgrading from sarge to etch. Due to few power outages yesterday I had to restart installation. Now apt reports it can't authenticate packages. I reinstalled debian-keyring and apt, did not help. What should I do?
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04:13<jm_>how did you reinstall it?
04:13<chealer>fanto666: what's the message?
04:15<george>fanto666: first off... you don't seem to be responsive at the moment...
04:15<george>it's frustrating to deal with anyone who asks a question, which engages attention and then dives elsewhere
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04:17<george>second I need to get to bed in about one minute anyway... so, I'll leave you with: treat these people well, respond quickly and interactively to their questions. you'd be in good hands if you did that
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04:18<chealer>george: why? he only asked one question.
04:18<george>and then didn't pay even enough attention to say afk
04:18<sssvi01>W: GPG error: testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
04:19<george>I mean, so that's a small thing, but it's worthy of a small wakeup call too
04:19<sssvi01>why this error?
04:19<george>sssvi01: when you did what?
04:20<psyhhix>hei! where can i change the critical temperature shutdown?
04:20<george>(exact text of command line would be fine)
04:20<sssvi01>apt-get update
04:20<chealer>george: he's not necessarily afk. it's far from uncommon to take 1.5 minutes to reply even if you're at the computer. you don't say you're afk after 3 minutes of inactivity anyway.
04:20<dli>psyhhix, better not, seek a hardware solution mostly
04:20<psyhhix>mandriva worked just fine but new ubuntu aint work
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04:20<dli>psyhhix, but this is #debian
04:21<psyhhix>base is same
04:21<george>chealer: but as for myself I hate doing noninteractive help
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04:21<george>it's frustrating to me, I figure it might also be frustrating to other helpers
04:22<sssvi01>george: apt-get update
04:22<george>sssvi01: sorry, yes, caught that...
04:23<fanto666>george: sorry, work
04:23<george>fanto666: np, at least you're here now :)
04:23<fanto666>chealer, george: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
04:23<chealer>george: don't worry, we're used to minutes of waiting, when not hours, and people leaving without replying.
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04:23<fanto666><list of possibly all packages to install/upgrade>
04:24<fanto666>Install these packages without verification [y/N]? n
04:24<fanto666>E: Some packages could not be authenticated
04:24<fanto666>didn't happen yet when upgrading
04:24<chealer>fanto666: what happens when you update packages index?
04:24<george>fanto666: I'm not meaning to be harsh or mean. I'm just doing what I can to help
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04:25<fanto666>george: of course. I know the situation too, I sit on many help-related channels usually
04:25<fanto666>chealer: get, hit, ign... do you think that will help?
04:25<george>anyways, you're still in good hands... hope things work out
04:26<chealer>fanto666: the usual stuff without any warning?
04:26<fanto666>chealer: no warning yes. It's slow machine
04:26<fanto666>ok, done w/o warnings
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04:26<george>sssvi01: it may be your issue is at least similar, so jump in.
04:26<george>nite all
04:27<chealer>fanto666: now that you updated index, do the warnings about packages not authenticated remain?
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04:27<fanto666>seems they do not. thanks
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04:28<fanto666>chealer: any idea how could that happen? to understand it
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04:32<chealer>fanto666: maybe. I thing your previous update with sarge's APT didn't fetch Release.gpg, which is used by APT 0.6 to authenticate packages. updating with 0.6 fetched it.
04:33<fanto666>ah, that might be it. looking at it, all Release.gpg were fetched now.
04:34<chealer>sssvi01: do you get the same error if you retry?
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04:37<peyman>hi, any idea how can i transfer files from my Debian PC to HP iPAQ PDA?
04:42<trogdor3>anyone know a way to compare 2 files in debian to see if they are the same?
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04:42<dpkg>To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
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04:43<sssvi01>chealer: yes
04:43<chealer>trogdor3: yes. diff allows that.
04:43<nd>peyman: ipaq with WinCE? synce and vdccm.
04:44<chealer>sssvi01: since how long do you have the problem?
04:44<nd>trogdor3: Or tkdiff if you want a gui with color support
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04:49<chealer>sssvi01: which IP does resolve to?
04:50<sssvi01>chealer:i dont know
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04:51<chealer>sssvi01: it's probably resolving to a broken mirror.
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04:52<sssvi01>chealer: how to solve that?
04:52[~]chealer hails to Ganneff.
04:52<peyman>nd: yes
04:52<peyman>nd: thanks
04:52<chealer>sssvi01: if that's your problem, you could "hardcode" another IP or change mirror.
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04:53<nd->peyman: Last time i tried it was a bit unreliable but worked.
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04:54<peyman>nd: oh, i see. which is better? synce or vdccm?
04:54<sssvi01>chealer: ok
04:55<twb>Which one would win in a knife fight?
04:56<chealer>twb: the metal one.
04:56<nd>peyman: I would try synce first. But i used it last 1 or 2 years ago so i don't know :) I no longer run wince on my ipaq
04:57<peyman>nd: uhum. in fact i somehow am interested in installing linux on my ipaq, but i'm not quite sure if it's as user friendly as wince
04:57<twb>Good one
04:59<peyman>synce is KDE based, right? anything else not KDE and GNOME based?
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05:00<nd>peyman: If you have a CF or SD card you could boot from there without removing wince from the device. See
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05:01<peyman>nd: thank you
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05:08<peyman>how can i find out which serial device is my PDA connected to?
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05:14<chimo>hi, I am a debian newbee
05:15<chimo>and wonder if I can receive help here ?
05:15<JasonS>chimo: you have to ask your real questions first
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05:17<chimo>ups sorry, I have installed new debian release 4.0rev1 (netinst) on a dell server but after reboot it stops at initramfs prompt
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05:18<jm_>it can't mount /?
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05:19<chimo>the server as a perc5 controller with a raid 5
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05:19<jm_>check if it loaded a module for that
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05:24<chimo>what would the module be ?
05:25<jm_>hmm not sure
05:25<jm_>!which driver
05:25<dpkg>driver locator is probably To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into .
05:25<jm_>that shall identify it
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05:29<chimo>hmm, ok..maybe I am lacking some knowledge here, lspci -n is not available at my current prompt.
05:30<jm_>which server is it?
05:30<chimo>dell 1900
05:30<lupine_>chimo: you might need to be root
05:30<lupine_>hmm, or not
05:30<witte>chimo: do you have pciutils installed?
05:30<jm_>try megaraid_sas
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05:32<chimo>nope no pciutils
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05:33<lupine_nx>you should probably install it then
05:33<witte>chimo: install pciutils, in order to do the lspci -n
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05:34<chimo>ok, I am stuck on initramfs prompt, how install it there ?
05:35<jm_>don't bother with that now
05:35<witte>chimo: ok, did not read your whole quistion
05:36<chimo>jm: give me a hint what to do with megaraid_sas
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05:38<jm_>chimo: load the module?
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05:39<lupine_nx>SQL: syntax error near 'JOIN'
05:39<hub>Who can find a .deb Package for DC++ but Version 1 not 0.6 ?
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05:40<chimo>jm: modprobe -o megaraid_sas ?
05:41<jm_>chimo: without "-o"
05:41<chimo>hmm ok did that, returned nothing
05:42<jm_>that's typically a good sign, now run dmesg
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05:43<chimo>jm:ok what to look for ?
05:43<chimo>jm: ah ok
05:44<jm_>chimo: can you please use jm_? any signs of it recognizing the controller, possibly detecting drives connected to it etc.
05:44<chimo>jm_: found a bunch of disks and the controller
05:44<jm_>chimo: sounds good to me
05:45<chimo>jm_:how to make it permanent for reboot ?
05:45<jm_>chimo: try exiting the shell now - what happens?
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05:48<chimo>jm_: a bunch of messages.. "check root=bootarg" .... Alert /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to shell
05:48<jm_>chimo: so you're back in shell again?
05:48<chimo>"initramfs" prompt
05:49<jm_>do you see /sys/block/sdb?
05:49<jesse>hi, when i run the "nvidia one-liner" (!nvidia one-liner) i get an "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64". i have main contrib and non-free in sources.list and updated.
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05:49<jesse>using lenny, btw.
05:50<jesse>or testing, rather
05:50<chimo>jm_: yes
05:50<jm_>jesse: build it yourself
05:50<jesse>jm_: there are no packages like ubuntu has?
05:51<jm_>chimo: hmm not quite sure how to make it continue from here, I don't use Debian kernels or initramfs, probably by mounting /dev/hdb1 and then calling pivot_root - perhaps inspecting the scripts can enlighten you
05:51<jm_>jesse: they exist for stable release, but not for testing I think
05:51<chimo>jm_: ok thanks I will search a little..
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05:52<chimo>jm_: thanks a lot for your help
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05:52<jesse>jm_: then ill use the package from stable, or the one currently being tested for the next stable.
05:53<jm_>chimo: once you can get to /, you need to insure initramfs will include that module and load it
05:53<jm_>jesse: naah it won't match your kernel
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05:55<jm_>chimo: looks like one can specify that in initramfs.conf (MODULES section)
05:56<jesse>jm_: hmm, that sucks.
05:57<jm_>jesse: why? it's trivial to rebuild it
05:57<jesse>jm_: cbb. id rather just aptitude install nvidia-glx.
05:58<jm_>jesse: that's not enough, you also need a kernel module for your kernel, and -glx package depends on it
05:59<jesse>jesse: meaning it will pull it in with it. well, it does on ubuntu anyway.
05:59<jesse>i mean jm_ lol
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05:59<jesse>and i just realised im under my user account name...
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06:00<jm_>Schalken: only if it's available
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06:01<Schalken>jm_: so do i have to download stuff from or does debian provide the stff required to compile?
06:01<jm_>Schalken: it's all on Debian mirrors
06:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
06:02<jm_>follow the wiki
06:04<Schalken>jm_: says to install nvidia-kernel-amd64 but so such package exists in lenny
06:04<Schalken>h/o i tink im looking at the wrong thing
06:04<jm_>Schalken: yes, There are four different methods of installing the kernel module. Try the first one first.
06:04<jm_>and the first one mentions m-a
06:05<Schalken>jm_: ah, that one, okay
06:06<manphiz>anyone tried fglrx 8.42.3 in experimental? when I set it up and run 'compiz --replace' I got a error saying GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with both direct and indirect rendering. Any suggestions?
06:07<Schalken>manphiz: the dirver musnt support the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap extension
06:08<manphiz>Schalken, yeah I found this extension in both server and client in glxinfo, but compiz still claims it's missing :(
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06:13<Schalken>i mean
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06:13<Schalken>jm_: m-a autio-install nvidia says it cant find the nvidia packages in the repos
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06:13<Schalken>i give up, booting back into suse
06:14<manphiz>isn't that called nvidia-glx?
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06:18<lupine_nx>nvidia-glx != nvidia kernel module
06:18<lupine_nx>but last I checked, the kernel module wasn't in testing due to major breakage
06:18<lupine_nx>so grab it from unstable
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06:23<DTE>hi all
06:24<DTE>a lot of times people here are loosing files or overwriting them
06:24<DTE>i tought about versioning file system
06:24<DTE>could be a good idea or is still too new?
06:26<Maulkin>So what happens when someone actually wants to delete it?
06:26<Maulkin>There'll be issues with storage space... :)
06:27<Maulkin>also, see
06:27<DTE>storage space is not a problem
06:27<DTE>we have 10 tera to use
06:28<DTE>yes...something like timemachine
06:28<DTE>i'm looking at ext3cow
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06:29<Maulkin>ext3cow is probably your best bet. No need to re-invent the wheel sort of thing
06:29<jm_>that has been discussed on LKML in the past too
06:30<DTE>yes? is there a project to move in the kernel?
06:30<koollman>you could use lvm snapshots
06:30<lupine_nx>just dump everything into svn :p
06:30<lupine_nx>cd / ; svn add *
06:31<DTE>lupine_nx: but then people have to use svn clients
06:31<lupine_nx>oh noes :p
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06:52<studente>maialaaa che palle
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06:53<studente__>daniele sei buco più della merda
06:53<studente>frykky merdaaaa
06:53<studente>eh si
06:53<witte>studente__: don't you have anything better to do
06:53<studente>witte che cazzo voi
06:54<witte>studente: in english please
06:54<studente__>ma chi è sta bestia?
06:54<studente>witte die
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06:54<studente_>where are you witte?
06:54<studente_>are you in bruxelles?
06:55<studente__>oh yes
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06:57<studente>frykky buco
06:57<Frykky>che t'hanno chiuso?
06:57<studente>la maiala di to mae
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06:57<cecco>eccomi ovvia
06:57<ProtoBuco>cecco merdaaa
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06:58<cecco>hello himmt
06:58<cecco>hello jimmy
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06:58<ProtoBuco>hello frykky
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06:58<cecco>hao are you?
06:58<ProtoBuco>what a beautiful nick ;-)
06:58<Frykky>hellooooo grande proto
06:58<cecco>no bada chi c'è
06:58<Frykky>fa cacare
06:58<cecco>c'è miksuh
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06:59<cecco>il pompinaro
06:59<ProtoBuco>little poor (poverino)
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06:59<witte>dpkg: ops please take care of student, frykky et al
06:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: witte complains about: please take care of student, frykky et al
06:59<nd>! it
06:59<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
06:59<cecco>cazzo voi witte?
06:59<ProtoBuco>io sto indo voglio ok?
06:59<cecco>FATTI I CAZZI TUA
06:59<cecco>ma bada questa
06:59<ProtoBuco>Frykky secchione
06:59<cecco>secondo te s'ha bisogno della lingua italiana
06:59<Frykky>cecco merda
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07:00<ProtoBuco>buzztracker buzzone
07:00<ProtoBuco>shutdown -f del computer di massi
07:00<cecco>ma un ci caca nessuno
07:00<Frykky>il ferrari forsew
07:01<miksuh>joo puhukaa suomea
07:01<cecco>frykky gay
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07:01<cecco>il pompinaro
07:01<miksuh>english :)
07:01<fedebuco>the pompinar
07:01<cecco>hao are you?
07:02<cecco>where are you miksuh?
07:02<fedebuco>makin' a blowjob
07:02<ProtoBuco>makin' a blockbuster night
07:02<ProtoBuco>making it a..
07:02<ProtoBuco>daniele schiavo pigliacazzi di ibrahimovic
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07:02<ProtoBuco>massi zuccheroso
07:02<miksuk>fuck you
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07:25<Aleric>Is there an ALSA equivalent to /dev/dsp ?
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07:28<seanius>Aleric: i believe there's a dsp wrapper program you can run if you need to access /dev/dsp directly\
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07:29<Aleric>I have this command working for 'transcode', it uses -p /dev/dsp however, and that is the wrong audio card.
07:29<Aleric>I wish to use another audio card.
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07:30<jm_>alsa apps should use alsa lib
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07:30<Aleric>I guess transcode doesn't support alsa then.
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07:32<jm_>what are you doing with it that needs /dev/dsp?
07:32<Aleric>capture the webcam mic
07:32<Aleric>What about /proc/asound/card2/pcm0c/oss ?
07:33<jm_>just the sound?
07:33<jm_>how about using arecord?
07:34<Aleric>How do I feed it to transcode then?
07:35<jm_>can it read it from stdin?
07:35<Aleric>I don't know :/
07:36<Aleric>I suppose it needs a PCM device.
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07:36<Aleric>I'm amazed that there are still application that only support OSS :/
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07:46<seanius>i'm sure transcode can be told to read audio from stdin
07:46<seanius>of course i'm not the one who's going to rtfm to find out :)
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08:01<lupine_nx>generally, you use "-" as a filename to read/write from/to stdin/out
08:01<lupine_nx>so transcode -i- -o- <other options here>
08:04<S3v3N>How do i check my clock in debian?
08:04<Aleric>Uch, I haven't had mail in 4 days :/
08:04<Aleric>/dev/sda6 4.6G 4.6G 0 100% /var
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08:06<Aleric>Hmm, it's /var/cache/apt/archives
08:09<lupine_nx>run "apt-get clean" ?
08:09<S3v3N>How do I set date and time on debian? My isn't correct...
08:11<Nemoder>S3v3N: man date
08:11<Nemoder>or uh..
08:11<dpkg>ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp.
08:12<S3v3N>Thanks anyway, I allready changed the timezone
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08:15<djfg>hi y'all
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08:15<DTE>is it normale an average of 680 Mbits/sec over a gigabit link?
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08:17<lupine_nx>DTE: depends on a load of different factors
08:17<DTE>no loads
08:17<DTE>two computer with a "crossover" cable
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08:18<djfg>Could someone please tell what latency settings would be appropriate when recompiling the Linux 2.6.22 source
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08:20<DTE>djfg: latency?
08:21<djfg>DTE: what I meant was that there are a few options that control how fast the kernel responds to events
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08:21<djfg>DTE: like timer resolution (default is 250Hz)
08:21<djfg>DTE: and a few others
08:21<DTE>normally on a desktop system i enable preemption
08:22<DTE>on intel system i set 1000
08:22<DTE>on amd 250
08:22<lupine_nx>why the difference between architectures?
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08:23<DTE>because amd processor are more indicate for batch processing (as far as i fread)
08:23<DTE>and you don't need to high frequency
08:24<djfg>DET: does a higher number of cycles mean higher power consumption?
08:24<djfg>sry DET = DTE
08:25<djfg>DTE re:battery
08:27<DTE>i don't think
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08:29<djfg>DTE: I am asking that because I do not basically know anything about CPUfreq does on LINUX+laptop
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08:29<djfg>DTE: i.e. will the high timer resolutions keep the system in 'performnce' mode all the time or something
08:30<DTE>djfg: no...that frequency has nothing to do with the gigaherz of the processor
08:30<djfg>DTE: I know that
08:31<djfg>DTE: ^ read up ^
08:32<djfg>DTE: perhaps life is simpler without CPU throttling :)
08:32<lupine_nx>frequency is how often the kernel checks for events
08:32<lupine_nx>(in HZ)
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08:33<djfg>lupine_nx: I got that the first time :) A little slow on the uptake but...
08:34<lupine_nx>so if you have it high, you'll be waking up the cpu more often. if there's nothing else for it to do, that could result in higher cpu consumption
08:34<lupine_nx>erm, cpu activity
08:34<DTE>lupine_nx: sure?
08:34<Eulex>and more power consumption
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08:35<lupine_nx>I still don't see how amd vs. intel can make a difference, though
08:35<lupine_nx>either there are events for it to process, or there aren't
08:35<DTE>i mean...i think there are other things to cjheck for battery saving
08:35<DTE>than timer frequency
08:35<lupine_nx>indeed, but it specifies a base rate (if you like) of activity
08:35<DTE>anyway in modern system a cpu is never in a sleep state
08:35<lupine_nx>...of course not...
08:36<DTE>the frequency i change i 'cause the different attitude of the two processor
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08:37<lupine_nx>DTE: what different attitude?
08:37<lupine_nx>the events have to wait a given period of time on both processors
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08:38<djfg>lupine_nx: that exactly was what I wanted to know
08:39<DTE>lupine_nx: yes but event if there're checked more often can be changed more often
08:39<DTE>batch processing doesn't require too much often cheching
08:40<DTE>instead a preemptive system (desktop) require more checks
08:40<DTE>this is waht i know...i'm not an engineer :-)
08:40<djfg>lupine_nx: the laptops will be used for graphical apps in situations where AC power is not easily available.
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08:41<lupine_nx>DTE: never mind. you obviously don't have an explanation. djfg: 250Hz will use less power. How much less is debatablwe
08:42<djfg>lupine_nx: OK. thx
08:42<DTE>lupine_nx: ?? i have an explanation for things i mind ...
08:43<DTE>for me freq timer is not important in power saving
08:43<DTE>there are things to checks before that IMHO
08:43<djfg>DTE: please do tell
08:43<DTE>djfg: about whta?
08:44<DTE>ufff...i'm tired :-)
08:44<djfg>DTE: how to optimize the kernel for power saving without much of a performance impact
08:44<DTE>first...performance cost power
08:44<padski_>lupine_nx: given the processor you could look up the specs for power use. isn't this part of the big deal about tickless ?
08:44<DTE>most important imho is disk usage
08:45<DTE>and monitor
08:45<padski_>RAM chews up a surprising amount of power
08:45<DTE>yes? i din't know
08:46<padski_>depends what kind of budget you are looking at. by the time you get down to 5W it is a fair chunk
08:46<lupine_nx>padski_: tickless would be pretty useful in this situation, yep
08:47<lupine_nx>DTE: disc and monitor both switch off pretty quickly in most power-saving situations
08:47<padski_>but, still very bleeding edge in debian terms :-(
08:48[~]lupine_nx is happy to wait until it's considered stable enough to be in by default
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08:48<DTE>lupine_nx: for monitor sure...but disk...mine is always on
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08:48<DTE>i don't a normal usage is always on
08:49<DTE>sure something is accessing the disk
08:49<lupine_nx>fail. and speaking of fail, I should go eat something
08:49<DTE>but the difference between mac osx and linux is pretty high
08:49<DTE>in term of power saving
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08:51<djfg>DTE:this is my fourth day of research and already conversion to 'PCs to Macs' instead of windows->GNU/Linux has sprang into a conversation a considerable number of times.
08:52<djfg>Is everybody working for apple or something? ;)
08:52<padski_>djfg: lol
08:52<DTE>i'm working in a place where there are a lot of macs
08:52<padski_>djfg: apple has unixy goodness now :-)
08:52<DTE>actually oi don't like mac osx too much
08:53<DTE>i prefer linux anyway
08:53<padski_>djfg: but it seems it is not a free and open platform, or heading that way :-(
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08:54<djfg>padski_: exactly! I do not have anything against paying for software, but I am sick and tired of bullies.
08:54<djfg>padski_: I just want some free(dom)
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08:56<djfg>sry if I was to harsh - apple and ms are cool and all but, I feel more like consumer meat by each passing year
08:57<DTE>djfg: i'm using mac osx because i must....anyway as a desktop os is pretty nice
08:57<djfg>DTE: and it is the best OS to make the end user more productive.
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08:58<djfg>DTE: I had a mac until recently (I accidentally watered it along with the plant)
08:58<DTE>actually they bought it to me...i didn't even want it
08:59<DTE>i'd like other machines
08:59<djfg>DTE: you lucky man you
08:59<DTE>i mean...mac are pretty machines and nice desktop os...bust stop
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08:59<DTE>for advanced user linux is sure better
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09:00<DTE>and these keyboards...i really hate them
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09:01<djfg>DTE: :) I really despise the mouse without at least two buttons.
09:01<DTE>actually you can use two button even on a mac
09:01<DTE>with mac mouse
09:01<djfg>I had a laptop
09:02<DTE> button
09:02<djfg>and strongly dislike to use external mouse on a laptop - it kinda defeats the compactness
09:02<djfg>but. I digress - we digressed
09:03<djfg>back to research. Thank you all.
09:03<DTE>see you
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09:30<padski>I want to boot a gusty in a domU on a etch xen box. what is the best way to update debootstrap on etch for this ?
09:31<petemc>grab the gutsy debootstrap script from somewhere and copy it to the debian box
09:31<petemc>has worked for me in the past
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09:35<LightningTH>Running etch with kde or gnome (tried both), default drivers for display, sound, etc, the system will freeze with only the mouse responsive. unable to select anything on the screen, unable to get a terminal with ctrl-alt-f1. It requires a power cycle of the system to bring it back up. acpi is disabled in the bios and the deamon is not running
09:35<LightningTH>any ideas where to look or how to determine the cause of the lockup?
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09:36<padski>petemc: I love the comment in the changelog: " Bump to 1.0.0. Nobody uses debootstrap in production, do they?" :-)
09:36<lupine_nx>use magic keys to get to a terminal?
09:36<lupine_nx>are they enabled in the debian default kernel?
09:37<LightningTH>they are enabled and work when the system is running normally. after it freezes (again, only mouse works) even the magic keys dont work
09:37<lupine_nx>phwoar. anything in the logs?
09:38<LightningTH>i'd look at the logs if i knew what to look for or what log(s) to look at
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09:45<erev>Hye one question i have installed the nvidia driver from but when i run nvidia-settings i have segmentation faults any suggestion ?
09:45<lupine_nx>kick nVidia in the jacksie?
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09:46<Aleric>Reinstall the whole system?
09:46<lupine_nx>nah, just install nvidia correctly
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09:47<Aleric>The bottom line of that being: only install .deb's, don't use the installer from nvidia.
09:47<lupine_nx>...unless you know what you're doing ;)
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09:48<Aleric><quote>Another disadvantage of Nvidia's drivers is the fact that they need to install shared graphics libraries, replacing the ones that are part of your normal Operating System. While theoretically this shouldn't have to be a problem, in practise it can lead to an unstable Operating System with unmatching versions that cause instability (of the X Windowing System), of openGL, or - in most cases - make it impossible to start X at all or only
09:48<Aleric> on one monitor. Recovering from such broken systems means basically a complete re-install of the Operating System; but you won't know that it is broken; you will be thinking it is something else (configuration, bugs in the drivers, X or both, an incompatible kernel version or even suspect hardware problems).</quote>
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09:48<lupine_nx>uninstalling the driver reverts the shared libs to their previous configuration
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09:48<Aleric>I suppose it isn't entirely fair to quote that from that url, since I'm the one who wrote it ;)
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09:49<Aleric>lupine_nx: Only if you never ran 'apt-get' in the mean time.
09:49<Aleric>If you used apt-get to upgrade in the meantime, uninstalling will install old libraries over new ones.
09:49<lupine_nx>heh, which would be quite fun :)
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09:50<Aleric>I better leave before my neighbors start making too much noise... bbiafh.
09:50<padski>no bot ?
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09:53<erev>ok i will remove it and reinstall for see
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09:59<erev>Aleric: when i read the how to it s exactly what i did the last time
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10:12<dooglus>I'm looking for a recent version of ImageMagick, but debian seems to have been stuck on an old release for years.
10:13<dooglus>where can I find out why debian hasn't been tracking upstream?
10:13<padski>dooglus: mail the maintainer ?
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10:13<padski>dooglus: look at the BTS
10:14<micha>i want remove the mysql. 'apt-get remove mysql-server' doesnt work
10:14<padski>dooglus: the version in sid is ?
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10:14<dooglus>padski: I looks at the BTS. I found
10:14<lupine_nx>how about mysql-server-5.0 ?
10:14<dooglus>padski: yes.
10:15<micha>lupine_85: thx :) thats fine
10:16<dooglus>padski: that's somebody pointing out that a new version was available over a year ago.
10:16<padski>dooglus: yes, "The latest release of ImageMagick is ImageMagick 6.3.6-0."
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10:17<padski>dooglus: and yet there are recent uploads, just not of the newer upstream versions
10:18<padski>dooglus: If we read these numbers as "we are on 6.2, stable upstream is 6.3" it doesn't seem quite so bad :-)
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10:20<dooglus>padski: I'm wondering if it's a license problem - maybe recent ImageMagick releases are under a license that debian can't use?
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10:21<dooglus>padski: I don't care about the numbers - I only care about the missing features in debian, compared to the current stable release
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10:22<padski>dooglus: you could have a go at packaging it yourself. hopefully the existing packages would provide a good foundation.
10:22<dooglus>padski: I don't even really care what package I use - I just want to optimize some animated gifs. 'convert -layers optimize' was looking promising until I realised that debian has an old 'convert' (from IM) without that option
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10:23<padski>dooglus: are ohter big distros shipping the more recent versions ?
10:23<dooglus>padski: the only other one I looked at was ubuntu, and they just copy stuff from debian
10:23<LightningTH>and people wonder why i compile my own apps
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10:24<padski>dooglus: yeah. I'm tryin to figure my way round fedora website right now 8-)
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10:24<dooglus>padski: and I was looking at opensuse
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10:25<padski>dooglus: meet you back here :-)
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10:25<Robi>can any one help me with a problem
10:25<padski>ah, yes, no bot.
10:26<dooglus>opensuse 10.3 has ImageMagick-
10:26<padski>Robi: don;t ask to ask, just ask. for your penance go and read the FAQ ;-)
10:26<dooglus>opensuse 10.2 had ImageMagick-
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10:27<dooglus>(according to )
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10:27<Robi>i have debian etch , i get my internet connection by dhcp, probl. is when the internet conn. fals from my ISP my debian doesnt make refresh and the net doesnt work.
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10:29<padski>Robi: yeah that can be a pain. try ifdown and then ifup, does that work ?
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10:30<Robi>where and how.... i`m a newby
10:30<padski>Robi: or maybe you can use mii-tool to force the ethernet link to renogiate. dunno.
10:30<seanius>Robi: you might want to consider setting up network manager then
10:30<padski>Robi: at the command line, for simplicity
10:30<padski>seanius: that sounds good. will that do it ?
10:31<seanius>well, if there's an actual "link down", followed by a "link up", n-m should handle it
10:31<dooglus>padski: seems fedora 7 has ImageMagick-
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10:32<seanius>if not, there still needs to be a manual intervention (i.e., clicking on the applet in the systray)
10:32<padski>dooglus: I was getting there! ;-)
10:32<dooglus>padski: I found a local mirror of the repo:
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10:32<dooglus>padski: in summary, yes, everyone moved on to ImageMagic 6.3.x some time ago...
10:33<seanius>hey where did dpkg go
10:33<padski>seanius: no bot :-(
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10:34<seanius>Robi: anyway i have to go but take a look in /usr/share/doc/network-manager for inspiration if you're feeling adventurous. ior ask someone else here :)
10:34<padski>dooglus: looks that way
10:35<nd>Robi: You can configure your dhcp client to renew the ip more often. I guess you get a new one from your isp after the up/down?
10:36<padski>distrowatch used to have a comparison thingy ...
10:36<lupine_nx>get a small script that does a ping every 10 seconds and runs ifdown; ifup if it fails?
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10:36<lupine_nx>hacky solutions ftw, you know :)
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10:37<Robi>how can i configure the client to renew ?
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10:38<dooglus>Robi: I use this script to bounce my network connection when it goes down:
10:38<padski>Robi: man interfaces
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10:38<dooglus>Robi: but my problem seems to be slightly different than yours
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10:40<TA> hi. i want t mount a fat-32 partiotion /dev/hda7.
10:40<TA>i open fstab, what are the correct options etc.
10:40<lupine_nx>mount /dev/hda7 -t vfat /path/to/mountpoint
10:40<nd>Robi: Depends on your dhcp client. dhclient has a config file in /etc/dhcp3/ with a parameter dhcp-lease-time for example
10:42<TA>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda7,
10:42<TA> missing codepage or other error
10:42<TA> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
10:42<TA>dmesg tail or so
10:42<Robi>nd : in the /etc/dhcp3/dhcp-client everything is comented .
10:43<lupine_nx>so everything is at default values at the moment
10:43<padski>Robi: I think not /etc/dhcp3/dhcp-client, instead man interfaces
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10:44<nd>Robi: Then read the manpage :) and uncomment the lines.
10:44<padski>option leasetime
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10:47<chimo>hi, after install of 4.0rev1 (netinst) I am stuck at "initramfs" prompt, after alert "can`t find /dev/sdb1
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10:48<TA>ok, it works. was my fault..hda2. :)
10:48<padski>chimo: do you have an sdb1 ?
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10:49<TA>@lupne_nx: thx ^^
10:49<chimo>dmesg shows, MegaRaid driver with 4 disks
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10:49<w00ter>Hi, i'm looking into making a small script, were it should perform a couple commands after eachother (but wait till the previouse command is done), does any one happen to have some documentation for me to read on how this is done ?
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10:49<padski>chimo: sounds like fun :-)
10:49<chimo>padski:yes during partitioning I had it
10:50<padski>chimo: the fun ?
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10:50<chimo>padski: ...I had fun finding out how to get into my os today..
10:51<chimo>padski: but did not have any success..
10:51<padski>chimo: what configuration are you trynig to set the disk up in ?
10:51<petemc>some poweredges ive installed debian on have required the initrd to be built with yaird
10:52<petemc>and some other hoops have to be jumped through..
10:52<chimo>padski: the disks are running on a Perc5/ SATA Raid5
10:52<padski>this is a good point. you might get more success with testing than stable, I've had that in hte past.
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10:53<padski>chimo: and the thought of installing the dell supported linux is not attractive ?
10:53<chimo>...RH ?
10:54<chimo>padski: last option.. ;)
10:54<Sree>anybody plz explain calibrate_delay() function in kernel...anybody plz send me a mail abt that,,,my id is
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10:54<padski>chimo: and its etch you've tried ?
10:54<chimo>padski: should I go with sarge ?
10:54<padski>chimo: if it were me, I'd try a lenny install just to collect a datapoint.
10:55<padski>chimo: in the past I had more sucess with debian on dell by going to newer rather than older.
10:55<chimo>padski:ok, thought so..
10:55<nd>w00ter: Just write your commands down one after each other. You can try with 'sleep' for example.
10:56<padski>chimo: or you could use a bootdisk and try to fix your bootstrap :-)
10:56<nd>w00ter: Oh, and start the script with #!/bin/sh in the first line.
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10:57<w00ter>tnx nd, #!/bin/sh seems to be the missing link :)
10:57<chimo>padski: tried it, but not realy my best knowledge about it.
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10:59<padski>chimo: yeah. all that ramdisk stuff seems complicated to me when it breaks. trawling through yards of shell script ... happy memories!
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11:01<chimo>padski: a funny thing just happenend..have seen it before..after a reboot it booted right into the OS
11:02<padski>chimo: deja vu
11:02<padski>chimo: enjoy!
11:02<chimo>padski: while the moment lasts..afraid of another reboot..
11:03<padski>chimo: you know you have to ... :-)
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11:05<chimo>only thing i did, add a CD and rebooted same not see any relation to that
11:05<padski>chimo: CD: disk or drive ?
11:05<chimo>padski:Compact Disk
11:06<padski>chimo: you didn't plug in a cd drive, just put a disk in the drive, correct ?
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11:08<chimo>padski: correct only a CD into the drive, rebooted and selected harddisk in boot menu of the dell server
11:09<padski>chimo: does it work if you take the cd out ?
11:10<chimo>padski: will need to check, hope it comes back online when reinsert the disk..
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11:24<LaTO>I've just installed Debian, and so when I go to boot it up from the GRUB loader, all I get is just a dos-like prompt, just a black screen and white text. Is this what Debian is, or is there any way to get into the actual desktop, like a command I need to type?
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11:26<padski>LaTO: you can install gui software, yes. try tasksel
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11:27<LaTO>thanks very much =)
11:27<LaTO>I'll try that now.
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11:27<padski>LaTO: "Desktop Enviroment" would be the one
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11:31<sasha>hi isn t there a folder search function in nautilus ??
11:34<padski>sasha: beagle ?
11:35<qbit>find ?
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11:37<padski>I can't make find work with my mouse. it is too big. every time I press a key, I end up pressing the ones next to it ;-)
11:38<Nisse>If I wish to shut down a blocking receieve socket, should I do this with shutdown, close, or both? I mean if the socket is still receiving
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11:42<jon_>how do i get to the official ubuntu channel?
11:43<jon_>did i download the wrong irc client? it says debian IRC
11:43<padski>#ubuntu on, I think
11:44<jon_>how do i change to
11:45<Nisse>padski: thanks, that explained why my app aborts with exception not rethrown =)
11:45<padski>use "/join"
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11:45<padski>Nisse: there is a better explanation at
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11:48<kart_>oh, no one replied that poor ubuntu user ;)
11:49<bzed>this poor soul.
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12:01<vfaronov>Hi all. I am running Debian etch amd64 with a stock kernel. Boot stalls on "Waiting for the root file system" but this happens _sometimes_, say once every 3 or 4 boots, other times it's OK. Any suggestions?
12:03<blarson>vfaronov: add (or increase) rootwait kernel paramater.
12:04<padski>"rootwait" command-line parameter was added during the 2.6.23 release cycle ?
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12:05<vfaronov>yep, google suggests that
12:05<blarson>padski: It's needed to boot 2.6.22 at all on sparc with lvm.
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12:06<vfaronov>are there other ways to install 2.6.23 on etch other than compiling it?
12:06<padski>blarson: I don't know how much more adapting to change I have left in me ;-)
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12:10<fancylad>i have a problem where i have no ipaddress after my box boots. however i can see that dhclient runs and my nic gets configured. to resolve this i have to manually run dhclient after it has booted.
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12:11<fancylad>it is as though dhclient is being killed. i checked /etc/network/interfaces and it is correct. if i run "ifup eth0" it also comes up fine
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12:16<dli>fancylad, what do you mean "nic gets configured"
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12:18<fancylad>i mean i get an ipaddress, netmask, default gw
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12:19<Lava>any1 available?
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12:19<Lava>i need to have internet explorer
12:19<cdlu>gah, dpkg is missing.
12:19<Lava>to read my webmail from wrok
12:19<jagerman>Lava: Complain.
12:20<fancylad>r u sure u need it lava?
12:20<Lava>yeah, i can open it in firefox
12:20<fancylad>i have it on my fedora box
12:20<Lava>but i miss some buttons
12:20<Lava>like 'search'
12:20<Lava>which is kind of vital
12:20<fancylad>there's a script u can download that will install IE with wine
12:20<Lava>what do you mean?
12:21<fancylad>i mean u install wine. then u download and run this bash script that downloads IE6 from microsoft and installs it for u
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12:22<fancylad>let me see if i can find it
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12:23<Lava>i just installed wine
12:23<Lava>so far so good :)
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12:25<fancylad>look at that site lava. it's for debian sarge but it's probably the same
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12:25<Lava>thanks man, i'll check it
12:26<Lava>hope that if i still have questions on this matter, i can come back and bother you again
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12:41<Lava>fancylad, i need cabextract
12:41<Lava>but when i want to down it
12:41<Lava>i can't install it
12:42<Lava>can't find it under applications either
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12:47<Lava>anyone know how to install cabextract?
12:48<Lava>i just get : Error: wrong architecture when i try to execute
12:49<petemc>you installed it with apt(itude)?
12:50<Lava>come again?
12:51<Lava>i just opened the link : Ubuntu Linux (Feisty) 1.2 cabextract package
12:51<valdyn>Lava: wrong channel.
12:51<Lava>and when i clicked that link i get the error message
12:52<valdyn>Lava: cabextract is already in debian, maybe not ubuntu, how would we know..
12:53<Lava>im sorry
12:53<Lava>im indeed in the wrong channel
12:53<Lava>kind of new to this
12:53<valdyn>Lava: you are likely trying to use amd64 stuff on your i386 linux or vice versa
12:54<Lava>guess so
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12:54<Lava>i just hate the terminal thing
12:55<Lava>it says i have to install cabextract, instead of just doing that ;)
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12:55<valdyn>Lava: have you tried "aptitude install cabextract" ?
12:55<fxiny>hmmm : 2.6.24 rc out ?
12:56<valdyn>fxiny: oo, guess!
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12:56<fxiny>valdyn: i'm reading it now and i am already terrifyed : 11MB
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12:57<valdyn>dpkg: is where, among various other things, Linus Torvalds publishes linux kernels and patches.
12:57<valdyn>fxiny: indeed
12:58<Lava>valdyn, can i post the output of the command you suggested?
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12:58<Lava>grijzemens@grijzemens-laptop:~/ies4linux-2.0.5$ aptitude install cabextrac
12:58<Lava>Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
12:58<Lava>Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd
12:58<Lava>Reading state information... Klaar
12:58<Lava>Initializing package states... Klaar
12:58<Lava>Building tag database... Klaar
12:58<Lava>E: Kon het vergrendelingsbestand '/var/lib/dpkg/lock' niet openen - open (13 Permission denied)
12:58<Lava>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
12:58<Lava>grijzemens@grijzemens-laptop:~/ies4linux-2.0.5$ ./ies4linux
12:58<valdyn>Lava: stop it
12:58<Lava>sorry its in ducth
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12:59<valdyn>Lava: paste is done on paste sites , not here. Since this is an english channel you need to prefix commands with "LC_ALL=C "
12:59<valdyn>Lava: you need to use sudo for this
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12:59<valdyn>Lava: like :"sudo aptitude install cabextract"
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13:00<Lava>man you rule
13:00<Lava>it seems to be working now
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13:01<janux-xmind>hi guys!
13:01<janux-xmind>i need help
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13:02<janux-xmind>hi guys
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13:02<janux-xmind>i need help
13:03<janux-xmind>it is about xvidtune
13:03<janux-xmind> and lenny
13:03<janux-xmind>i cannot store my display position
13:04<GhostlyDeath_>display position?
13:04<Lava>thanks valdyn, everything worked now
13:05<janux-xmind>when i was on etch, i used ModeLine in xorg.conf
13:05<janux-xmind>but it doesn't work on lenny
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13:05<Lava>except that i happened to install a program called cabextrac too (had forgotten the t)
13:05<Lava>hope that's not bad
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13:05<janux-xmind>so right now, my screen is shifted about 20px on left
13:05<fxiny>Lava: are yoy installing that big crap called ie4linux ?
13:06<Lava>lol, just have to have it for work
13:06<fxiny>is very bad
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13:06<Lava>or can't properly check my mails at home
13:06<fxiny>what mails ?
13:06<janux-xmind>how can i store my screen shift?
13:07<janux-xmind>on lenny
13:07<Lava>so fxiny , is it bad that i happened to install a program called cabextrac as well?
13:07<Lava>just mails from work, microsoft webmail
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13:07<fxiny>Lava: you need cabextract + wine + an installer : at the end you get ie4 which runs like a wag
13:08<Lava>whats a wag?
13:08<Lava>good or bad :)
13:08<petemc>owa should work to some degree with firefox
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13:11<myki>Hi, i have that problem with gcc: error: stdlib.h.: No such file or directory
13:12<myki>I do have libc6-dev, debian testing
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13:12<myki>and stdlib.h is in /usr/include
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13:13<chimo>hi, i have a problem my dell 1900 with perc5i,4sata disks, raid 5, stops after reboot at "initramfs", for some reason it did boot into the OS 4.0rev1 twice but I can not reproduce..any help appreciated ;(
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13:15<petemc>chimo: boot from the install cd, mount the device, chroot and recreate the initrd
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13:17<chimo>petemc: recreate initrd? :? ?
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13:17<petemc>chimo: with mkinitramfs or yaird
13:17<fxiny>oh : my rusty PII 400 gets a second life by running squid , not bad not bad , it runs vserver too :))
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13:19<chimo>petemc: will try right away..
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13:19<petemc>thats something like what i did for my troublesome dells
13:19<petemc>this was a while ago, tho
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13:20<Lava>what is the command to get to kreynet?
13:21<janux-xmind>can someone show me how i can store my screen shift on lenny
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13:23<phS>hi all, can someone tell me how to ask a question about "why does module-assistant not install iscsitarget-module ?" ?
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13:23<phS>i'm using lenny
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13:23<phS>is there a dedicated channel for such questions ?
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13:24<cahoot>phS, doesn't m-a present any error msg?
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13:25<janux-xmind>how can i fix my screenshift on debian lenny
13:25<phS>cahoot, no, apparently, everything is going fine...
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13:26<phS>it even creats the iscsitarget-module-2.6.22-2-686 from the iscsitarget-source
13:26<cahoot>phS, what exactly do you mean by ' install iscsitarget-module' ?
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13:26<phS>i typed : m-a a-i iscsitarget-source
13:27<phS>cahoot, am i wrong in doing that ?
13:28<cahoot>so you get a iscsitarget-module-2.6.22-2-686 .deb?
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13:29<phS>cahoot, a simple dpkg -L iscsitarget-module-2.6.22-2-686 only gives stuff in /usr/share/doc/
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13:29<phS>cahoot, yep, i got the .deb
13:29<chimo>petemc: thanks for the link, working on it now..will take some time.
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13:31<phS>cahoot, it should produce iscsi_tgt module... but there is no such file in the /lib/modules tree
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13:32<datura>Is there any hope for Flash for PowerPC?
13:33<cahoot>phS, I'd rerun m-a one step a time - i e prepare, select, get, build, install and see if it errors on a specific step
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13:33<phS>cahoot, ok, i'll apt-get remove the .deb. I'll tell you in few minutes
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13:35<phS>cahoot, nothing went wrong... no message
13:35<cahoot>and no usable module?
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13:36<phS>cahoot, modprobe iscsi_trgt fails
13:36<phS>cahoot, am i wrong ? Should i configure something else ?
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13:38<cahoot>phS, sorry this is beyond me
13:38<phS>cahoot, thanks anyway ! do you know were i should go, next ?
13:39<datura>how difficult is it to host a site on my computer?
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13:39<datura>i can write html,,, i have no idea how to make it available.
13:39<cahoot>phS, this should be the right place
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13:40<phS>cahoot, ok. then i'll send a bug report.
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13:57<datura>Is there any way to get flash on my powerpc? Macromedia only makes a mac version,,, no way around this?
13:58<qbit>i don't think so
13:58<qbit>same with w32codecs ( not official debian stuff )
13:59<datura>i cant wait to get my asus laptop
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14:03<sutula>datura: On your previous question (host a site), are you asking more than "apt-get install apache"?
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14:06<datura>well yes, im ambitious but new. I just need to install apache and uh (laughter) is there a wisard i can use?
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14:07<sutula>datura: I think apache comes up running, so you just need to add content to it's default page
14:07[~]sutula thinks datura needs no stinkin' wizard :)
14:07<datura>thanks for the ego boost, dont mind it
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14:08<datura>i gotta go tho, this coffee needs some food with it. I will be back, ltr today. Be well sutula
14:09<sutula>datura: np
14:09<Torstein>anyone her willing to help me out with a apache2 proxy forwarding issue?
14:09<valdyn>!tell Torstein -about ask
14:09<Torstein>u phail! :p
14:09<Torstein>!tell Torstein about ask
14:10<valdyn>!tell Torstein -about selftell
14:10<valdyn>oh, the bot is gone i think
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14:10<janux-xmind>hey guys!
14:10<valdyn>ask a real question, don't ask to ask, don't ask if anybody can anything
14:10<janux-xmind>how can i store xvidtune mods on lenny
14:11<valdyn>janux-xmind: by edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:11<valdyn>janux-xmind: and read the manpage
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14:11<janux-xmind>i used ModeLine but it doesn't work
14:11<Torstein> ---> result in this:
14:12<janux-xmind>it worked on etch but not on lenny
14:12<Torstein>it should give me ajaxterm
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14:13<valdyn>janux-xmind: so you read /var/log/Xorg.log on why its using whatever modeline
14:13<valdyn>janux-xmind: Xorg.0.log even
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14:15<sutula>Torstein: I'm no apache expert, but do you get any useful info in apache's error log? (just making suggestions)
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14:16<janux-xmind>sorry i don't understand it content
14:17<janux-xmind>i can't see why X doesn't use ModeLine
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14:20<janux-xmind>my X11 doesn't use ModeLine on lenny
14:21<janux-xmind>can sommeone tell me why?
14:21<Torstein>the log doesnt give me anything useful
14:22<sutula>Torstein: If nobody here knows, perhaps there's an apache support channel where people know that sort of thing
14:22<janux-xmind>what about my question?
14:23<janux-xmind>X11 ModeLine doesn't seem to work on my Lenny
14:23[~]sutula offers the same response to janux-xmind: if nobody here knows (and they'd answer if they did), perhaps there's an xorg support channel where people would know
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14:25<qbit>janux-xmind: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:25<Torstein>good tip, sutula
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14:37<klevo>i installed the debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso in norwegian, but i get error messages in swedish and gtk applications in danish
14:38<Torstein>similar question: If you use Ubuntu or any LANG==en_US.UTF-8 distribution don't forget to "unset LANG".How do I do this?
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14:42<leaveone>can anyone help me install and configure mysql on debian etch
14:44<Torstein>leaveone, it very straight forward
14:44<yang>leaveone: aptitude install mysqld should do everything for you
14:44<Torstein>further configuration can be done with phpmyadmin
14:45<dkr>yeah, because it's so hard to edit a config file
14:45<leaveone>let me uninstall everything ive done so far and start over..
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14:51<leaveone>ok i just ran the following command 'sudo aptitude install python-mysqldb python2.5-mysqld'
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14:52<dac>Torstein: type "unset LANG". ;)
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14:54<Torstein>well... it was a browser issue anyway
14:54<Torstein>works in IE but not opera
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14:55<leaveone>ok, this doesnt seem to be working
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14:57<Phezaun>vc tem a nova versão do VISMS cassio?
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14:58<malkov>hola debian en español?
14:59<jagerman>What happened to dpkg?
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14:59<JasonS>seems to be awol currently
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15:05<kwbr>since today i am owner of a new t61 and about to install linux. should i retain the rescue system on my harddisk or is it enough to have the rescue cd/dvd?
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15:06<deepak>would it be possible to monitor a directory that whether a new file has been added or not, i do not need the polling aspect though
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15:07<deepak>i would prefer to have a logic that would be kinda similar to a trigger aspect
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15:09<profun>hi all
15:09<profun>when i update my system , synaptic has gone
15:09<profun>when i type synaptic as root -> command not found
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15:10<profun>any ideas how to fix this ?
15:10<deepak>profun: what do you get when you do "whereis synaptic"
15:11<klevo>apt-get install synaptic ?
15:11<profun>error -> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:11<profun> synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4
15:11<profun>E: Broken packages
15:11<deepak>ok, have u like tried to check of this the synaptic exits in /usr/sbin
15:11<chimo>petemc: seem to have worked, the link for wget is a little outdated.. ;) but now a couple of reboots later my system is still up and running. thumbs up and thanks a million.
15:12<profun>deepak, no such file or directory
15:12<deepak>profun: You need to install synaptic
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15:13<profun>ok i'll download the package
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15:13<deepak>profun: you can go for apt-get -f install <the_package_you_needed>
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15:14<bzed>deepak: that makes not much sense
15:14<bzed>deepak: -f does not mean force
15:14<profun>E: borken package
15:14<deepak>bzed:sorry about that, me in kinda hurry on my own
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15:14<deepak>bzed: sorry on that mistake
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15:17<bzed>profun: are you using testing/unstable>?
15:17<profun>i use stable
15:18<profun>after update i got this
15:18<profun>synaptic - command not found
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15:22<chealer>profun: please show your APT sources
15:22<chealer>dpkg: wb
15:22<dpkg>thanks, chealer. It's good to be back.
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15:24<profun>deb stable main contrib non-free
15:24<profun>deb testing main contrib non-free
15:24<profun>deb unstable main contrib non-free
15:24<profun>deb stable main contrib non-free
15:24<profun>deb testing main contrib non-free
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15:25<gpm>profun_: see the testing and unstable lines in there?
15:25<gpm>that's not stable
15:25<profun_>and i have to remove them?
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15:26<gpm>what do you get when you type into console cat /etc/debian_version ?
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15:26<chealer>profun_: better reinstall or system, since you can't downgrade
15:26<gpm>you have to reinstall
15:27<gpm>or manually downgrade every package
15:27<gpm>(not fun)
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15:27<profun_>i see
15:27<gpm>next time be more careful with sources.list
15:27<profun_>yeah :)
15:27<profun_>thnx for the help
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15:28<gpm>how do you get a sources.list like that?
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15:38<S3v3N>Very easy question: How do i rename folders in debian?
15:39<niyado>estoy buscando un channel que se especialicen en video juegos para linux, quiero crear un juego estilo Tibia
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15:40<jagerman>S3v3N: err, well if you're using some graphical file browser, right click -> rename will often work. If you're using a shell: mv SOURCE DEST
15:40<S3v3N>i tried rename and it didn't work
15:40<jagerman>What happened?
15:41<S3v3N>Bareword "eggdrop" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
15:41<S3v3N>when i typed : rename eggdrop test
15:41<S3v3N>so eggdrop folder rename to test
15:42<DanDare>S3v3N, which command are you using to rename files?
15:42<S3v3N>i never used command to rename files, im renaming files first time
15:42<S3v3N>i tried with rename and it didn't work
15:42<oidhche>rename is better used for more complicated things than renaming a single file
15:42<S3v3N>rename <file> <newfilename>
15:42<oidhche>man rename
15:43<S3v3N>but i wanna rename a folder not a file
15:43<oidhche>mv should work better in this case
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15:47<S3v3N>so, there is no command to rename folder?
15:47<S3v3N>only to move "mv" ?
15:47<dondelelcaro>S3v3N: that's what mv *does*
15:47<weasel>what's the difference - in your opinion - between move and rename?
15:48<oidhche>it moves and renames it
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15:48<dondelelcaro>moving is renaming
15:48<dondelelcaro>(unless you happen to cross filesystems)
15:48<weasel>mv used to shout at you when you tried that
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15:50<S3v3N>so what do i need to do : mv <file> <newfilename> /home/user/...
15:50<S3v3N>is that correct?
15:51<oidhche>just mv <oldfile> <newfile>
15:51<S3v3N>oh ok, thank you very much
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15:53<S3v3N>yes but i forgot something, this is for files
15:53<S3v3N>what about folders?
15:53<gpm>mv foldernameold foldernamenew
15:53<oidhche>the same
15:53<S3v3N>it doesn't work
15:53<S3v3N>i tried
15:53<oidhche>what does it say?
15:53<S3v3N>mv: omitting directory `testfolder`
15:54<gpm>what exactly are you typing?
15:54<chealer>!tell niyado about es
15:54<S3v3N>cp <foldername> <newfoldername>
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15:54<oidhche>that's copy
15:55<S3v3N>yes and it doesn't work
15:55<S3v3N>but move does
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15:55<S3v3N>whats the problem, lol
15:55<oidhche>copy and move is different
15:55<S3v3N>i know but
15:55<S3v3N>how do i copy folder then?
15:55<dec_>hello i am new and would like to connect to other computers on my home network how can i do this?
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15:55<oidhche>try with -r
15:56<oidhche>cp -r <folder> <copy>
15:56<S3v3N>cp folder newfolder -r ?
15:56<S3v3N>oh ok
15:56<gpm>-R = -r?
15:56<oidhche>-r mean recursive
15:56<oidhche>think so
15:56<gpm>cp -R old new
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15:56<S3v3N>thanks its working
15:56<gpm>but then you'll still have old
15:56<chealer>dec_: connect in what way?
15:57<dec_>usng krdc
15:58<gpm>what's krdc?
15:58<chealer>dec_: are they running VNC or RDP servers?
15:59<chealer>gpm: check the package description.
15:59[~]gpm is lazy though
15:59<dec_>using krdc it asks for the remote desktop address or name, how do i find that on the other computer i am trying to remote control
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15:59<chealer>well, we're more lazy than you :)
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16:02<datura>hey S3v3N, you busy i got the apache packages installed...
16:02<dec_>chealer what are you using for remote desktop control
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16:03<chealer>dec_: krdc
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16:03<dec_>how do you find the name or address of the computer you are trying to remote into?
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16:03<chealer>dec_: depends on the computer's OS
16:04<dec_>the os is ubuntu
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16:05<chealer>dec_: knetworkconf should show that.
16:05<dec_>run that on the remote machine
16:06<dec_>can i run knetworkconf using terminal?
16:06<chealer>dec_: yes. yes.
16:07<dec_>how do i run that from the terminal
16:08<chealer>dec_: $ kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule
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16:09<vercellone>Q: ubuntu-7.10-server-i386.iso md5sum hash matches. But, md5sum -c md5sum.txt against the CD contens (ripped to CD, DVD, or mounted iso) always returns: md5sum: WARNING: 6 of 1182 listed files could not be read
16:09<vercellone> md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 1176 computed checksums did NOT match. Should I be concerned, or just try to install as-is?
16:10<vercellone>if there is a better channel to ask this in, let me know...#ubuntu was dead
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16:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
16:11<vercellone>thanks ameyer...I knew that
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16:11<vercellone>but, figured this is more of an md5sum issue
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16:11[~]ameyer facepalms
16:12<vercellone>don't do that
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16:12<vercellone>I know it's not md5sum breakage...i mean, how typical is it that the md5sum.txt might just be wrong?
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16:13<ameyer>it could happen
16:13<vercellone>the iso md5sum hash of the iso itself matches
16:13<ameyer>it's probably fine
16:13<vercellone>and i get teh same result on the contents whether I rip to CD/DVD or mount the iso itself
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16:14<vercellone>ok, cool...I'll give it a shot...would have already, but the target system hasn't arrived yet
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16:16<ameyer>vercellone: either that oor the image itself is FUBAR
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16:17<ameyer>(they would have released a broken image)
16:17<interbird>I'm experimenting with qemu and kernel-stuff. How can I use vesa instead of vga16? fbset -i says VGA16 VGA with 64K allocated at 0xa000
16:18<vercellone>understood. I'll figure it out. Thanks, ameyer.
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16:23<jagerman>interbird: See the -std-vga option
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16:26<interbird>jagerman: That's a qemu option and does not solve my probby. It must be a kernel-config because booting i.e. knoppix does turn-on vesa in qemu. (without -std-vga)
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17:11<kevinl>does there exist a mipsel debian sid netinst .iso ?
17:11<kevinl>there is etch netinst mipsel iso
17:12<chealer>kevinl: no
17:13<kevinl>just whatever is stable then ?
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17:17<leelee986321>better lol
17:17<leelee986321>ok heeres waht happend
17:17<tenaitEnSonBec>are you english
17:18<leelee986321>I logged off forgetting to shut down the browser and when it relaoded the browser came on and that is when all heck borke loose
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17:18<chealer>kevinl: no, there are also testing iso-s, for example, of course
17:19<chealer>kevinl: then*
17:19<chealer>tenaitEnSonBec: yes
17:20<tenaitEnSonBec>I am just testing chat , it's the first time for me
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17:32<torrr>I am having trouble understanding how to configure exim
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18:08<iamtravis>hello, I'm trying to decide what services aren't needed on my computer and noticed the debian-harden utilities, while trying to install one such as 'debian-harden-servers' apt gives me the error that it can't verify its key, i did apt-get install 'debian-archive-keyring' to check if i had the keyring installed correctly and i do - is this a package from the unstable branch?
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18:12<chealer>iamtravis: no
18:12<wastedfluid>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.26_i386.deb (--unpack): <-- anyone ever get something like that? I have googled it without luck >:|
18:12<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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18:13<ameyer>lol, accidental bottage
18:13<wastedfluid>I guess I lose cool points ;p
18:14<chealer>or rather, not intended
18:14<chealer>!lose wastedfluid
18:14<dpkg>wastedfluid: You Lose.
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18:15<chealer>!win dpkg
18:15<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
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18:17<SharkMa-san>ubuntu support channels suck
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18:19<ubuntu>alguien me puede desir como averigua de cuanto es mi targeta de video
18:19<SharkMa-san>read the topic lol
18:19<chealer>!tell ubuntu about es
18:20<ubuntu>el k
18:20<ubuntu>hablame en español
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18:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:23<CommonClone>I just switched to KDE, so forgive the n00bness, but how do I add applications to be launched at startup?
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18:25<kess77>what sort of programs are you thinking of?
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18:25<CommonClone>I just want it to launch compiz and emerald when I start x
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18:26<kess77>that's one I haven't figured out yet.
18:27<kess77>most programs can be started simply by adding them to the kicker
18:27<CommonClone>in gnome theres a gui, but I can't find one in kde
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18:27<kess77>bottom and to the right (near the clock)
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18:27<CommonClone>i don't want it on the kicker, I just want them to launch whenever I log on
18:28<kess77>seems as though compiz (and I've worked with beryl, not exactly compiz) has to be started before login
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18:29<CommonClone>it doesn't have to be started before login, you can start it whenever...just alt-f2 and type compiz --replace and it starts
18:29<kess77>have you tried the compiz website for advice?
18:30<kess77>there is a method where it can be one of your login options
18:30<kess77>(i.e. before login)
18:30<CommonClone>its not a compiz issue, compiz is fine, I just want KDE to start it for me instead of me having to do it manually everytime I login
18:30<kess77>but I never figured out how that part is done
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18:32<kess77>but yes: it can be setup as your default manager at login
18:34<CommonClone>i figured it out...I had to go into control center in root and change the startup services...duh
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18:50<roderyk>in the mutt pager, almost all email replies in a thread have a garbled set of characters. eg. "â~T~\â~T~@>Re: Original subject..." I'm having trouble finding the source of this issue, anyone seen this before?
18:51<dondelelcaro>roderyk: that looks like its in UTF-8 but your term doesn't support utf8.
18:52<jagerman>Or doesn't expect it
18:53<roderyk>it's wierd, because it's only in the pager. If I view the mail, the subject header shows up fine...
18:53<roderyk>(currently using mrxvt, and honestly have never really bothered figuring out unicode for it) *googles*
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18:55<iamtravis>there's one XTerm (Unicode) listed in the applications/debian menu
18:55<dli>roderyk, I would simply try gnome-terminal or konsole to test utf support
18:55<GradysGhost>Anybody here familiar with MonoDevelop
18:55<iamtravis>does anybody know of a calculator that can convert/calculate with octal/hex/decimal and maybe some calculus functions?
18:56<iamtravis>for x preferably
18:56<dondelelcaro>iamtravis: pretty much any calculator will do that
18:56<dondelelcaro>well, save the calculus. I happen to like M-x calc in emacs, but YMMV.
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19:06<WLINUX>e ai galela
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19:08<WLINUX>alguem conhece algum bom curso ai, online
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19:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:31<janux-xmind>hi guys
19:32<janux-xmind>i need help about xorg
19:32<janux-xmind>i want to upload my display resolution to 1280*1024
19:33<janux-xmind>when i use my gnome screen resolution box, i'm limited to 1024*768
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19:43<gribouille>LANG=fr_FR.iso885915 perl -Mlocale -e 'print chr 189' doesn't yield the correct result
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19:45<gribouille>can someone help me with my problem ?
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19:51<janux-xmind>help guy
19:51<janux-xmind>i want my x server to allow me to display in 1280*1024
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19:51<janux-xmind>i want my x server to allow me to display in 1280*1024
19:52<streuner>!drxx janux-xmind
19:52<dpkg>janux-xmind: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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19:52<janux-xmind>i'm using etch
19:52<janux-xmind>so xorg
19:52<janux-xmind>i try the command
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20:05<darsie>Hi! Will linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 work with an AMD K6 (cpu family: 5, model: 6, model name: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions; I'm a bit confused, because of family 5 and model 6.)
20:06<darsie>Else I have to choose the 486 package, or make a new kernel, I guess.
20:06<dondelelcaro>it should, yes.
20:06<darsie>ahh, thanks. Ok, I'll try it then.
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20:32<rjent>Greetings, what consultant software for time and expenses are included with debian?
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20:34<rjent>petemc: was that to me?
20:34<petemc>it was, tho i dont expect it was the answer you were looking for
20:34<petemc>i do consultancy, and thats how i track my time
20:35<rjent>petemc: :) well no not really. I have an app that I have written in tcl but it is showing its age a bit and I figured surely there is something out there that uses some modern day sql or something with a simple web interface.
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20:38<petemc>i dont doubt there is..
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20:39<iamtravis>hello, I'm still trying to get these XFi 64 bit soundcard drivers going, and i just noticed that the /lib32 directory points to a directory other than lib, i was wondering if anybody knew how i could link /lib to /lib32 temporarily for installing these drivers, since the installer doesn't recognize the /lib32 directory
20:40<iamtravis>this is tough :), first link gcc then somehow get the installer to recognize lib32 for the install - and there's no guarantees after that
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20:52<dondelelcaro>iamtravis: why use their installer? Just unpack whatever it is and move the drivers into appropriate locations
20:53<jagerman>Didn't creative realize from the sb live stuff way back when how dumb an idea proprietary drivers are?
20:53<dondelelcaro>companies don't have very long memories
20:53<petemc>companies are influenced primarily by economics
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20:54<jagerman>petemc: As an economics student, I take some offense to that. They're motivated primarily by profits.
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20:55<iamtravis>hey that's a good idea donde, i'll give that a try
20:55<jagerman>Well, not offense, just have an objection.
20:55<petemc>to !economics students, the term economics is a byword for profit
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20:56<iamtravis>well if i could probably edit the makefile anyways for other people who have this same problem, or for another installation .. maybe other people could make use of it
20:56<jagerman>petemc: Just like to most Americans, science means believing against God.
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20:56<petemc>jagerman: how do you define economics?
20:57<petemc>jagerman: no need to be insulting to a particular race..
20:57<jagerman>petemc: As a noun, the dictionary definitions aren't too bad.
20:58<jagerman>(economic as an adjective I wouldn't have minded)
20:59<petemc>i think what i meant was abundantly clear
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20:59<darsie>dondelelcaro: 686 Kernel did not work on the K6 (200 MHz): "Too old CPU". Gotta go over to my dad because with the previous kernel the network no longer works (I upgraded it because some udev incompatibility).
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21:00<dondelelcaro>darsie: ah;
21:00<jagerman>darsie: Don't use a 686 kernel
21:00<jagerman>darsie: The K6 counts as a 586
21:00<darsie>jagerman: Well, your message comes too late. But thx anyways.
21:00<lupine_85>woah - blast from the pasty
21:00<lupine_85>past*. my first proper PC was a K6-2 233MHz
21:01<lupine_85>ran RH6 like a charm in 32MB RAM
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21:01<jagerman>Don't you know using "charm" and "redhat" together in here is blasphemy?
21:01<dondelelcaro>yeah, for some reason I read that as k6-2, which works with 686
21:02<jagerman>Does it? I thought all the K6*'s lacked some 686 instructions.
21:02<lupine_85>my memory isn't /that/ good :D
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21:04<dondelelcaro>jagerman: well, it has at least some of the 686 instructionset; I don't know if it has all of them
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21:07<jagerman>wikipedia's X86 splits them into 5th gen and 6th gen.
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21:10<DanDare>Hello. From command line how to discover the installed CPU? Its somewhere at /proc ? I cant find!
21:10<petemc> /proc/cpuinfo
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21:11<DanDare>ok, thanks
21:11<datura>could someone explain grep?
21:12<petemc>it looks inside files
21:12<datura>i dont under stand how to search i directory,
21:12<datura>o ok
21:12<petemc>grep foo *
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21:12<datura>i thought i could look though directorys too
21:12<petemc>search for foo in every fiile
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21:12<petemc>you might want grep -R
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21:13<datura>ok i had that part, can i not search directories?
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21:13<datura>(reading the man for -R)
21:13<datura>thank you
21:13<DanDare>you can try the find command also
21:14<lucca->find ... |xargs grep is very powerful
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21:15<lucca->or occasionally find|grep|xargs|grep
21:16<datura>yeah, i think grep is awesome, so far i can only use the command without the -what do you call it- Modifiers? (i'm referring to things like -R)
21:16<datura>excuse me, i meant i can only use grep command without ...
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21:17<datura>i'll check out find
21:17<lucca->check out -v (return things that don't match) and -i (case insensitive), also egrep/fgrep
21:18<hobophobe>Anyone know why rss-glx isn't working with gnome-screensaver? I can view the individual screensavers manually if I turn off nautilus background and run them.
21:18<datura>how to good geeks remember all of those,, things?
21:18<datura>and what do you call those things? (ex. -v -i -R)
21:18<hobophobe>datura, like anything else repetition I'm sure
21:19<ameyer>datura: switches?
21:19<datura>yea. switches, ok
21:19<ameyer>options would probably work too
21:19<hobophobe>some call them flags?
21:20<ameyer>heh, hobophobe
21:20<ameyer>afraid of hobos, eh?
21:20<datura>oopps a terminal window is still going,,, :)
21:20<lucca->datura: instead of remebering everything, just remember how to find things quickly
21:20<datura>*my terminal window
21:20<datura>good call lucca
21:20<datura>thank you
21:21<hobophobe>Yeah, it's from a punk song (NoFX : ``hobophobic (scared of bums)'' off of ``heavy petting zoo'')
21:21<datura>war on errorism was good
21:21<hobophobe>Yeah, they've had some good records over the years.
21:22<datura>thats the most of my nofx listening
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21:29<datura>can i perform http commands in terminal?
21:29<datura>>:) hehe
21:30<datura>i would like to know tho
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21:31<datura>i think i will look online or man pages
21:32<datura>is there man pages for http?
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21:33<amphi>datura: there's at least one rfc
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21:35<datura>rfc amphi?
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21:35<datura>i cant use that as a command. did i understand you correctly?
21:37<hobophobe>rfc is request for comments, it's the documentation of protocols like ftp http etc
21:38<hobophobe>what do you want to do from terminal with http?
21:38<hobophobe>for example there's wget http://domain/file will download the file directly to the current directory
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21:38<datura>not much really... nothing bad
21:38<datura>wget, any others?
21:39<dondelelcaro>GET, links, lynx, w3c, etc.
21:39<dondelelcaro>even lftp
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21:39<hobophobe>there's also... what is it called... the one that downloads an entire site
21:39<datura>ohh neat
21:40<hobophobe>I don't remember its name though at the moment... trying to recall
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21:41<datura>where did wget save
21:41<petemc>tho i think the default it stdout..
21:42<sun>how to get sound out of xmms? no sound is coming out, i ran alsaconf, there's no /dev/dsp, though there is /dev/snd/pcmC0D6c
21:42<datura>do some people just exist in terminal all the time?
21:43<george>I'm not terminal... are you?
21:43<jagerman>sun: Go configure it to use alsa, or, even better, switch to something not obsolete.
21:43<petemc>its a reasonable interface
21:43<hobophobe>no one has managed to only exist in terminal yet, sadly. some of us try though.
21:43<sun>jagerman whts not obsolete? what shoudl i use?
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21:43<jagerman>sun: If you are particularly tied to the interface style, audacious is a reasonable substitute.
21:43<datura>:) no, but i was thinking if it was practical to be in terminal i could learn these Switches and commandds much faster
21:44<jagerman>sun: But there are many, many different choices.
21:45<datura>about the feasablity of just terminal... theres a keystroke to switch processes/terminal windows right?
21:46<petemc>most people use screen
21:46<datura>i think i did that in darwin once
21:46<hobophobe>you can ctrl+alt+f1-6 for ttys
21:46<hobophobe>and ctrl+alt+f7 for the gui usually
21:46<datura>thats cool
21:47<sun>jagerman actually audacious just spat out the same error, coudlnt open audio, check that correct output plugin etc. it looks somwhat mroe modern than xmms but it doesnt seem to be able to configure itself out of whatever the problem is
21:47<graytron>datura: try screen though
21:47<datura>grayton, i dont follow, screen is not a command is it?
21:48<graytron>datura: its a program and package name
21:48<datura>i will now
21:48<jagerman>sun: Check out its output configuration, set it up for alsa
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21:51<hobophobe>HTTrack, dang took me 12 minutes to find it
21:51<hobophobe>getting slow in my old age
21:51<datura>grayton, you got good karma. thank you
21:53<sun>jagerman nope didnt go. tried all the different output plugins. how do you check that alsa is configured? i ran alsaconf and it said all was fine, it mentioned that udev would load the sound driver for modern kernels, how do i chekc that alsa/whatver is setup using either alsaconf/udev/latestconfigurator?
21:53<datura>you could totally do just terminal!
21:53<jagerman>sun: Do you have an aplay command?
21:54<hobophobe>datura, yes... or you do know, some people have only one button to press?
21:54<datura>and pardon me, but it would probably be very efficent.
21:54<hobophobe>no keyboard, no mouse, just one button.
21:54<jagerman>sun: If so, try aplay (some random .wav file on your system)
21:55<jagerman>sun: If not, install alsa-utils and try it.
21:55<datura>i saw oh man,,, alternative typing program for zero hands...
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21:55<datura>it was dasher
21:55<datura>yea, that looked neat for a tablet.
21:55<hobophobe>but that's if you can control direction
21:55<sun>jagerman aplay says ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave (nextline) aplay: main:545: audio open error: No such file or directory
21:56<hobophobe>some people only have one button, they can press it and release it, that's all they can do
21:56<datura>george, am i wrong on the name, i could be
21:56<hobophobe>dasher is correct
21:56<datura>ok ha ha ha,,, ha
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21:56<hobophobe>You can use dasher to create random gibberish mixed with words, too.
21:56<jagerman>sun: Um, well, try
21:56<dpkg>i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
21:56<graytron>hobophobe: who are these people? :(
21:57<hobophobe>graytron, Stephen Hawking, for one
21:57<datura>ok well i think im going to play with my new toys,,, be back later tonight
21:57<petemc>i thought he had a pad..
21:57<graytron>hobophobe :)
21:58<hobophobe>There's a neat essay about the creation of computing software for such classes of users in 'beautiful code'
21:59<datura>s. hawking has a button, at least one, his program goes though a intuitive list predicting what he wishes to say and what will come next. he pushes a button when the word he wishes to use is highlighted
21:59<jagerman>sun: Also see
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22:01<hobophobe>I want to see monkeys control robotic arms with their minds. Goodnight all.
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22:02<sun>jagerman thanks. on the alsa wiki it mentions intel 915 which is apparantly a probelm. i think that might be the probelm.
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22:04<jagerman>sun: This is getting out of anything I can help you with, but I *think* I heard that the kernel in testing will work
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22:19<LightningTH>i need some help and not sure where to look. i have a default install of etch yet the system will freeze up after running for awhile (20 minutes?), acpi is turned off in the bios. the only thing that responds is the mouse. even doing ctrl-alt-f1 (which normally gives me a terminal window) does not work
22:20<LightningTH>any ideas where to look or potential causes?
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22:22<egon_spengler>LightningTH: Possible X problems? Might check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:23<lucas_amorim>Hello, I installed compiz-gnome and after I removed it my gnome configuration has been altered in such a way that it is not creating window borders and buttons, for example, i can not move, minimize or maximize a window because it has no border
22:23<lucas_amorim>what should i do?
22:23<LightningTH>k. trying to look thru /var/log now. any suggestions on looking at the files otuside of going to a terminal and su'ing to root?
22:24<egon_spengler>LightningTH: Nope, console cowboy here, so don't generally look at logs using a gui
22:24<LightningTH>egon_spengler: ya, same here. my other box is on potato and all console. setting this up for the wife
22:24<lucas_amorim>alt+F2 doesn't work also
22:25<iamtravis>here's the latest output from my more recent attempt at installing this driver if anybody could help
22:25<LightningTH>lucas_amorim: sounds like the display info is messed up. i just dont know how to go about resetting the "look"
22:25<egon_spengler>lucas_amorim: Sounds as though you didn't get a wm such as metacity to replace the removed wm compiz-GNOME
22:25<iamtravis>i set the $CPPROG variable to the 3.3 cpp and linked gcc to gcc 3.3
22:26<lucas_amorim>egon_splender: I think that is exactely this
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22:26<lucas_amorim>egon_spengler: what should I do?
22:26<LightningTH>apt-get install kde? :)
22:27<lucas_amorim>I am using gnome
22:27<egon_spengler>lucas_amorim: Under System-Administration is a gconf editor for such things. Within there is an option for window manager.
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22:28<lucas_amorim>ok, i am gonna look at that
22:28<gm>prova likux
22:29<george>I stink therefore I'm spam
22:29<gm>just arrived into the linux world. Have a nice night
22:30<LightningTH>no info in Xorg.0.log :/
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22:31<lucas_amorim>egon_spengler: metacity is marked as current...
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22:35<george>did that gm say "prove linux"?
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22:36<george>I guess it wasn't that at all
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22:36<LightningTH>of course my other fun is Oct 26 22:50:16 Lightning kernel: ata6.00: tag 0 cmd 0xc8 Emask 0x9 stat 0x51 err 0x40 (media error) on my cdrom drive
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22:57<ackzero>Do peps actually chat in IRC?
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22:57<petemc>lil bit
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23:06<froze>suspect my machine may be hacked, is there a way to do a comprehensive checksum against repository binaries?
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23:09<user01>anyone good at xorg config and ati radeons?
23:10<virgo>i was just using abiword when it crashed on me , does abiword have a temporary files directory that i can go to ?
23:10<flaper87>hey guys, does anyone know how to use os-prober?
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23:13<virgo>anyone know about abiword and temporary files ?
23:13<petemc>looked in /tmp ?
23:14<flaper87>hey guys, does anyone know how to use os-prober?
23:15<virgo>what would it be named like ?
23:15<flaper87>i need help with os-prober!!!!!!
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23:16<froze>virgo: check out this mail regarding crashed abiword.
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23:17<virgo>i will thx
23:18<iamtravis>are these names that keep joining with n=namehere@place.stuff eggdrop bots or something? i just seen a series of 5-6 join in a row
23:20<iamtravis>ah well, still not gettin that driver installed
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23:22<iamtravis>does anybody know of a environment variable install-sh scripts use to find /lib paths? i've got gcc and gpp set up properly but it's just these asm files (i think) that the installer needs to be 32 bits
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23:26<flaper87>why if i run os-prober it doesn't show any output?
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23:33<froze>flaper87: are you root?
23:34<flaper87>froze: yes
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23:34<flaper87>and it just doesn't show anything
23:35<froze>are you sure you have an OS installed? JK! it should at least return your current install.
23:35<froze>what distro are you running?
23:35<froze>sid lenny...?
23:36<flaper87>froze: jejejeje, i'm running Debian Sid, and is the only distro i have installed
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23:39<froze>just installed from repo and it works here. Try reinstalling as a fast n dirty attempt at fixing it.
23:39<flaper87>ok froze
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23:40<froze>and you might try grabbing it from testing instead
23:41<flaper87>froze: are you using lenny?
23:41<froze>good evening
23:41<froze>flaper87: yep
23:42<froze>flaper87: are you using pinning for apt? highly recommended when living on the dark side of sid
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23:43<flaper87>jejeje, well, i just downloaded os-prober from the web, but is a good idea to use lenny
23:43<flaper87>sorry, pinning
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23:47<flaper87>froze: Finally, thanks for that good idea, os-prober is working perfectly
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