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00:00<george>so... removal of evolution-common would first off probably remove evolution since there is a proper dependency there
00:01<george>and then, since g-d-e depends on evolution-common or maybe just evolution, it gets removed
00:01<c00i90wn>george: right, but by no means that should remove fast-user-switch-applet for example
00:01<george>after that, anything that depends on g-d-e would get removed
00:02<george>what does fast-user-switch-applet depend on?
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00:02<george>!depends fast-user-switch-applet lenny
00:03<dpkg>fast-user-switch-applet: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.13.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.5), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.8), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libice6 ...
00:03<george>that's quite a list
00:03<george>and the ... probably means that list isn't complete
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00:04<c00i90wn>george: indeed it is, and it's not complete.
00:04<george>but I don't see anything there that suggests it depends on g-d-e
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00:05<c00i90wn>george: right. it doesn't and a apt-cache show fast-user-switch-panel|egrep "*desktop*" confirms it
00:05<blarson>george: apt-get now installs recomends by default
00:05<george>blarson: hmm, what happens when a recommend is removed?
00:05<nw33>if you use synaptic you will see a full list, evolution depends on gnome-desktop-enviroment (excuse my poor english please)
00:06<blarson>george: nothing.
00:06<george>nw33: oh, so does that mean we have a circular dependency?
00:06<george>that would be a bug
00:07<c00i90wn>nw33: no, g-d-e depends on evolution. not the other way around
00:07<c00i90wn>george: ^^
00:08<george>hmm. if it is both (as yourself and nw33 are compositely saying), that would be a circular dep and therefore a bug
00:08<nw33>evolution-common depends on evolution and evolution on gde, or at least, I understood that using synaptic
00:08<george>just make sure that's the case :)
00:09<c00i90wn>george: sorry, I'm tired, evolution depends on g-d-e
00:09<c00i90wn>george: it is a g-d-e dependency
00:09<george>so we have both
00:09<george>yes? :)
00:10<c00i90wn>george: but g-d-e is not a evolution dependency, it's not circula
00:10<chealer>c00i90wn: evolution doesn't depends on g-d-e
00:11<chealer>nw33: make sure you're not mixing dependencies and dependants
00:11<george>so if gde depends on evolution, that (and evolution-common) should be installed when gde is installed
00:11<c00i90wn>chealer: no, it's a g-d-e dependency. I'm tired and I messed up there.
00:11<nw33>mmmm i'm spanish, so it is possible, that i wrote it wrong
00:12<c00i90wn>I'm going to translate that for nw33 on PM if you don't mind.
00:12<chealer>nw33: "foo depends on bar" means that foo needs bar
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00:12<nw33>but i can't uninstall evollution too
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00:13<george>if foo needs bar and bar needs foo, that's circular, and circular needs is a bug
00:14<BLLZ>hey guys, nobody is in the #ubuntu-effects room so i'll ask my question here. Is there a .deb package for compiz-fusion? Or is there a place I can find instructions for adding repositories and installing Compiz fusion?
00:14<george>if foo needs bar, bar doesn't need foo but bar needs baz and baz needs foo, that's indirectly circular... it's circular, and therefore it's a bug
00:14<nw33>but is there a circular reference in this case?
00:14<george>BLLZ: they're not going to answer ubuntu questions... install debian and then we'll go from there
00:15<george>nw33: heh, I have no idea :)
00:15<BLLZ>george sorry, i didn't even realize this was the debian room! my bad
00:15<c00i90wn>george: I don't think it's a circular dependency.
00:15<george>I'm trying to goad you into finding out :)
00:15<c00i90wn>george: but there are too much dependencies involved
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00:16<chealer>nw33: no
00:17<george>so we haven't found a bug
00:18<c00i90wn>george: not that type of bug at least. but I do think it's an apt-get falency though.
00:18<george>c00i90wn: ok, so what is the list of packages that get removed that you don't think should be removed?
00:18<george>we can start from that list
00:19<c00i90wn>george: same happens with ekiga, let me paste you an example.
00:19<george>if you want to you can use that paste pipe thing (/msg apt pastebin pipe)
00:20<nw33>i will try to see what's the matter
00:21<george>ok see that first big giant list of packages that are no longer required?
00:21<c00i90wn>george: yes. those are marked for autoremove.
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00:22<george>take a look at line 21 :)
00:22<c00i90wn>george: exactly. they are not removed on _this_ step.
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00:23<george>but ekiga and gnome-desktop-environment are
00:24<jr>alguem sabe como faço pra mudar de server ?
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00:24<george>who shot jr?
00:25<c00i90wn>george: right. I don't mind g-d-e meta package beign removed *if* it doesn't remove me the other packaes _or_ doesn't mark them for auto removal.
00:26<george>so it's really the autoremove feature you're having a problem with
00:27<c00i90wn>george: It is not because it shouldn't mark them for auto removal on the first place because it is a meta package. But let's say yes.
00:28<george>I wonder if there's a way to remove certain packages from the list
00:28<c00i90wn>george: AFAIK there is not.
00:28<dondelelcaro>c00i90wn: if you wwant to remove the meta package, remove it, and then mark the packages that it depends on which you know you want to keep as manually installed.
00:28<dondelelcaro>c00i90wn: it's fairly simple.
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00:28<george>that is, make the system know that you the system owner want to keep them
00:29<dondelelcaro>c00i90wn: and pretty easy to do in the curses interface of aptitude by visiting the dependencies of g-d-e and mashing M or m as appropriate.
00:29<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: fairly simple with apt?
00:29<george>so don (hi don) is saying there's an easy way to so mark them
00:29<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: oh with aptitude :)
00:29<george>is it apt or apt-get
00:29<dondelelcaro>apt-get is the frontend to libapt
00:30<dondelelcaro>but you should be using aptitude most likely
00:30<george>is aptitude just another front ent?
00:30<dondelelcaro>a more advanced one, yes
00:30<dondelelcaro>(far more advanced, in fact)
00:30<george>whatever happened to apt?
00:31<dondelelcaro>what about it?
00:31<george>does it exist yet?
00:31<dondelelcaro>libapt was always meant to be a library which does what it does
00:31<george>not libapt, but apt
00:31<dondelelcaro>there's never been an apt
00:31<george>actually there has been a package called apt
00:32<nw33>and i think that we are encouraged to use aptitude or synapctc instead of apt, i can t remember where i read that but i remember
00:32<george>that had the build for apt commented out
00:32<dondelelcaro>the source package is apt, but that's it
00:32[~]lupine_nx cuddles apt-get
00:32<george>it installed apt-get
00:32<george>but not apt
00:32<chealer>george: apt exists since 1999
00:32<george>when did culus start?
00:32<dondelelcaro>the whole thing is called apt, but there is no "apt" binary
00:33<george>I saw it in I believe the slink or potato version
00:33<george>commented out
00:33<george>I know, because once I uncommented it, and rebuilt the package
00:34<george>and apt got installed
00:34<dondelelcaro>it had bits of a UI to replace dselect, but it was never shipped
00:34<chealer>george: what's culus?
00:34<george>he spent a LONG time on that ui
00:34<george>martin shulze?
00:35<george>the one who loves cows?
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00:35<george>he made apt-get moo?
00:35<chealer>george: you're asking when Martin Schulze started?
00:36<george>no, when he and manoj started working on apt
00:36<dondelelcaro>uh... joey isn't culus
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00:36<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: Thanks for the tip!
00:36<c00i90wn>george, chealer: thanks for the invested time and help!
00:36<dondelelcaro>and Manoj hasn't ever maintained apt
00:36<dondelelcaro>(though he has submited patches)
00:36<george>but he was in there helping nonetheless
00:37<george>spent hours on irc
00:37<dondelelcaro>Jason's first release was in 1998; I don't know when he started, though
00:37<george>right, jason gunthorpe
00:38<george>it was probably 6 months to a year before that first releaser
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00:40<george>so what dist was stable in 1997 and 1998? slink?
00:40<chealer>!tell george about releases
00:40<simonrvn>!tell george about slink
00:40<c00i90wn>I'm still having a problem, understading this time, with this whole thing, I did uninstalled evolution-common with aptitude but it still shows as installed but marked as deinstall on dpkg
00:40<dondelelcaro>!release history
00:40<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <>.
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00:41<george>so it could have been hamm
00:41<george>c00i90wn: probably wasn't purged
00:42<c00i90wn>george: what should I do ?
00:42<george>depoends on what you want to do :)
00:42<c00i90wn>george: want that package out of my system :)
00:42<george>maybe your question could be in the form "what should I do if I want __________"
00:43<george>purge it :)
00:43<c00i90wn>george: apt-get --purge remove evolution-common ?
00:43<c00i90wn>george: or this?:
00:43<c00i90wn> dpkg --get-selections | awk '/deinstall$|purge$/{print $1}' |xargs sudo dpkg -P
00:44<george>so... you don't want to remember its settings right?
00:44<c00i90wn>george: not at all =)
00:44<george>then purge the thing you don't want
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00:45<c00i90wn>george: with which command? why removing still have the package installed?
00:45<george>I would dpkg --purge <packagename>
00:45<c00i90wn>dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n'|sort -n -r|awk '{size=$1/1024; printf("%dM %s\n", size, $2);}'|head
00:46<c00i90wn>george: I'm using ^^ to view most bigger packages on the system
00:46<george>that dpkg command you mention finds all packages that have been deinstalled and purges them all
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00:46<simonrvn>c00i90wn: dpigs
00:47<c00i90wn>simonrvn: ??
00:47<george>what's the closest driver to nvidia c51 sound chipset?
00:47<simonrvn>to do same as that, find largest packages.
00:47<c00i90wn>simonrvn: apt-cache show dpigs doesn't show me anything, what package?
00:48<nw33>its not exactly the same but liborphan is useful too
00:48<c00i90wn>simonrvn: debian-goodies :)
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00:49<c00i90wn>simonrvn: lol, and I worked almost 30min on that command (counting research time)
00:50<simonrvn>that's still damned handy
00:50<c00i90wn>simonrvn: mine or dpigs?
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00:50<simonrvn>you also know how to do things with the showformat
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00:51<c00i90wn>simonrvn: thanks, I'm a little bit proud of it :)
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00:52<simonrvn>as well you should
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00:55<nw33>sorry i would say deborphan
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01:02<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: so to get away with a learning, I should use aptitude instead of apt ?
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01:05<dondelelcaro>c00i90wn: yes
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01:06<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: mmm just installed localepurge and did not asked me to configure it and dpkg-reconfigure localepurge doesn't do anything
01:07<dondelelcaro>c00i90wn: why did you bother to install localepurge?
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01:09<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: I'm a free space freak :)
01:09<c00i90wn>dondelelcaro: nah, just kidding, I'm doing a debian-live
01:09<chealer>c00i90wn: you don't use aptitude instead of apt. aptitude uses apt.
01:10<c00i90wn>chealer: :)
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01:11<simonrvn>uses libapt ;p
01:12<george>howcome every time I alter the kdmrc config file it gets reset to default when I try to start kdm
01:13<george>is it copied to /var/run/somewhere every time?
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01:20<simonrvn>or /var/lib
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01:29<graytron>george: did you edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ?
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01:36<dx_>I <3 debian!
01:37<dx_>You need more time; and you probably always will. You will have long and healthy life.
01:37<dx_>Advancement in position.
01:37<dx_>I <3 debian
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01:39<dx_>Debian is honestly fighting for survival in it's own sweet and gentle way. Power to the developers who give up their time. Even dunk tank. Can we get an applause?
01:40<dpkg>shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte.
01:40<dx_>!damn silence
01:40[~]dpkg sends silence to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
01:40<Supaplex>i must be on ignore. *meh*
01:41<lupine_nx>!damn c++
01:41[~]dpkg sends c++ to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
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01:48<dx_>and in conclusion; You teach best what you most need to learn.
01:49<dx_>can I get an amen?
01:50<dx_>How can I uninstall something that I installed on wine?
01:50<dx_>Did NOT mean to post that. Though now that you mention it..
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01:51<dx_>Wine has exited with a failure status 2.
01:51<dx_>During uninstallation of entropiauniverse.c's project entropia; which I shouldn't have been installing because said software doesn't even work in cedega
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02:11<george>graytron: yeah, finally...
02:11<george>now it's working
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02:19<hub>I write in Terminal : sudo sh RealPlayer10GOLD.bin but than comes this Error :RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: cannot execute binary file. How can install it ?
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02:25<Supaplex>hub, try waiting more than 30 seconds for a response maybe? *geeze*
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03:14<twb>co_siap: the good mother makes soup for the errant boy!
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03:33<serge>Hello! I need to set up networking for my qemu VM. I do: modprobe tun && lsmod | grep tun -- it's OK. Next I try: ifconfig tap0 netmask up -- SIOCSIFADDR: No such device tap0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. How can I bring up networking for QEMU under Etch 4.0 ?
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03:51<WildOS>when running "gprof gmon.out > file" I get"gprof: gmon.out: not in executable format" What am I doing wrong?
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03:54<test1>hi, what are the differences of the etch-backports and etch-volatile relative to etch versions of debian ?
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03:57<paistis>hi when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i get debconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set
03:57<paistis>any solution for that?
03:58<paistis>i'm runing on testing on that
03:59<anibal_> paistis, the fix is explained at
03:59<anibal_>it worked for me
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04:00<paistis>thaks i will look that
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04:02<WildOS>Do I have to have the executable as an argument when running gprof? I thought I just needed gprof.out?
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04:11<WildOS>Where can i get the source packet for gprof? tried apt-get source gprof with no results...
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04:14<zobel>test1: bpo is just the package taken from unstable/testing and compiled in a stable chroot.
04:15<zobel>test1: volatile only backports packages where the data itself is volatile... (eg. virus scanner(-sig), spam filters, url for downloader packages.....)
04:16<zobel>or eg. timezones
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04:16<test1>zobel, what do you mean from "compiled in a stable chroot" ?
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04:17<zobel>take libs and compilers from stable/etch
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04:18<test1>zobel, thus it is stable? but newer version ?
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04:18<zobel>the package itself might be stable by upstream, but not by debian
04:19<zobel>i would prefere packages from volatile over bpo.
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04:21<test1>but some of packages that debian offers is very old than its upstream version :-( for example the openoffice :-(
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04:30<zobel>test1: known.
04:30<iamtravis>do any of you know a good program to control your card fan speed?
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04:36<iamtravis>only seein stuff for laptops :(
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04:42<Schalken>is debian testing very similar to having a rolling release system?
04:46<Maulkin>Schalken: Sort of. Except it isn't a release, so you won't get official support :)
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04:47<Schalken>Maulkin: official support from who?
04:47<Maulkin>Schalken: Things like security updates
04:48<Schalken>oh, right
04:48<Maulkin>Although there is some security support available.
04:48<Schalken>Maulkin: does that mean an up to date Debian Stable system has security flaws fixed that aren't yet fixed in testing?
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04:49<Maulkin>Schalken: That can happen, yes
04:50<Maulkin>Although we do try and get testing fixed of course :)
04:50<Schalken>Maulkin: that seems weird. okay, other than that is there much difference between it and a rolling release system like Arch?
04:50<Schalken>(im talking just about testing)
04:52<Maulkin>Well, I'm not really familiar with arch.
04:52<Schalken>Maulkin: okay
04:52<Maulkin>I can explain how packages get into testing though (if you like)
04:53<Schalken>Maulkin: hmmm, yeah dpkg tells me that when i ask it "why isnt package x in testing"
04:53<Maulkin>Okay. Basically, stable has lots of QA. Testing has some, but there's no garuntees that testing won't be broken
04:54<Maulkin>I hesitate to call testing a 'release' if you see what I mean.
04:54<Schalken>Maulkin: even though its very unlikely? (unlike sid)
04:54<Schalken>Maulkin: i basically used to be an ubuntu user but got sick of stuff breaking when i upgraded and waiting for the next release for new software.
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04:55<Schalken>even though ive now realised how long it can take for new software to get into debian testing anyway
04:55<Maulkin>Schalken: If you need stability, go with stable.
04:56<Schalken>Maulkin: i need new software more than i need stability. id use stable if i was making a server though.
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04:57<Maulkin>Schalken: now... why do you *need* newer software? :)
04:57<Maulkin>Schalken: you could also have a look at
04:57<Schalken>Maulkin: because newer software provides features i need?
04:58<Maulkin>Schalken: for example? :)
04:58<Schalken>Maulkin: i understand debian guys hate it when people ask for fresh new software when it hasnt been through debians rigerous testing process
04:58<Schalken>Maulkin: gimp 2,4
04:59<Schalken>(hmmm, 2.4 was put in unstable just today/yesterday :P )
04:59<Maulkin>Schalken: That's not even in testing yet :)
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05:00<Maulkin>Schalken: Have a look at backports. That may be a good solution for you
05:00<Schalken>Maulkin: is it as much of a joke as ubuntu backports?
05:01<Maulkin>Schalken: I have no idea about ubuntu backports. Howevever, I woudn't call it a joke. It seems to work well for many people.
05:01<Maulkin>I've used it in the past on production servers.
05:02<Schalken>Maulkin: i dont want to go back to the realease+backports system of ubuntu. (even though each release is just 6 months away) and especially given how long it is between debian releases.
05:03<ameyer>Woody's release cycle was very XP-like
05:03<ameyer>recently, things seem somewhat more sane
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05:05<Schalken>Maulkin: im looking for a rolling release system for my desktop that puts timelyness before stability. one where when a new piece of software is released you can count on it arriving within a few months.
05:06<Maulkin>Schalken: Testing is the suite for you then.
05:06<Schalken>and most of all, i dont want to pain of upgrading my computer to a new "release"
05:06<Maulkin>Schalken: Well, with testing you'll be upgrading each day :)
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05:07<Schalken>Maulkin: lol, are you implying its as easy to upgrade form sarge to etch as it is upgrading a few packages as you would be doing on a testing system?
05:08<Maulkin>Schalken: Well, I have no problems at all going from sarge -> etch. Took 30 minutes and was unattended. Eevrythign worked.
05:08<Maulkin>So... yes :)
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05:09<Schalken>Maulkin: hmm, oh okay (i have bad experiences upgrading ubuntu systems), so maybe the upgrade process isnt so painful in debian. but what is is waiting for your debian new release in order to get software released many months ago.
05:09<Schalken>new debian release*
05:11<Maulkin>Personally I don't mind, if it ensures teh software is stable.
05:11<Maulkin>Compare it to the Windows world, where a 2/3 year release cycle is the norm. It wasn't really an issue.
05:12<Schalken>Maulkin: yeah, but that was just for the OS itself, not all the software that runs on it like in debian (or linux in general)
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05:12<Maulkin>Schalken: Well, if you take the basics, like a web browser, or an office suite etc, then yes. The software is just as old :)
05:13<ameyer>Maulkin: 2/3?
05:13<ameyer>more like 5/6
05:13<Maulkin>ameyer: yeah :)
05:13<ameyer>but they're a stagnant monopoly\
05:14<Maulkin>However, if you really need newer versions, try testing. I think it'll provide the balance you need. But don't complain when it breaks :)
05:14<Schalken>Maulkin: cant i complain "why is this package in testing, it should be in unstable its so broken!"
05:15<Maulkin>You can file a bug if you've found an RC issue
05:15<Schalken>Maulkin: or does it only require certain criteria to be met before it gets into testing, no actual testing?
05:15<Maulkin>Schalken: Criteria for going into testing is something like:
05:16<Maulkin>1) greater than X days old (where X = 10 unless there'sa good reason)
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05:16<Maulkin>2) Builds and installs on all architectures that it was available for before
05:16<Schalken>Maulkin: it said only 2 days was needed for gimp
05:16<Maulkin>3) Has <= the number of RC bugs in the previous version
05:16<Maulkin>4) Doesn't break other packages
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05:17<Schalken>Maulkin: cool.
05:18<Schalken>Maulkin: thanks for explaining that to me, especailly given i bet most the questions on here are about debian's release system (given the number of FAQs there are about it)
05:18<Maulkin>Schalken: - Fixes integer overflow in PSD plugin (CVE-2007-2949)
05:18<Maulkin>That'll be why then
05:18<Maulkin>I wonder
05:18<Schalken>Maulkin: okay
05:19<Maulkin>!testing migration
05:19<dpkg>hmm... testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>
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05:19<Schalken>Maulkin: i just wish stuff was easier to setup in debian. took me a few hours before i got sound working. and theres still no packages for the proprietary nvidia drivers :(
05:20<Maulkin>Schalken: You can blame nvidia for that
05:20<Maulkin>apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia
05:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
05:21<Maulkin>If you have non-free in your sources.list, that should fetch them and build/install them for you
05:21<Schalken>Maulkin: i dont really get what module assistant is all about so im just going to continue using nvidia's installer for now
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05:22<Maulkin>Schalken: Fair enough, but I woudn't reccomend it
05:23<Schalken>and speaking of sound, dpkg didnt tell me that i had to install "libesd-alsa0" to get sound working
05:23<Schalken>is there a way i can add that to the factoid?
05:23<Maulkin>Which factoid?
05:24<dpkg>rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
05:24<Schalken>alsa checklist and/or alsa one-liner
05:24<Schalken>Maulkin: ^
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05:28<Schalken>Maulkin: kool :)
05:36<test1>hi, i want to use my sound cards in special way as follows:
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05:37<test1>i have 2 sound card and i want to connect to radio-casset to their line-ins and i want to record their sounds simultanously, how can i do this ?
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05:44<petemc>test1: what have you tried?
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05:44<test1>petemc, i have 2 sound card and i want to connect 2 radio-casset to their line-ins and i want to record their sounds simultanously, how can i do this ?
05:44<petemc>yes, i read that
05:45<petemc>i was asking what you have tried so far
05:45<test1>i used the "rec" command in terminal window for recording a .wav sound from line-in .
05:46<petemc>have a look at audacity
05:46<test1>is is not dependent to software, it is dependent to sellecting proper device.
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05:48<test1>when you select the input capture device in a mixer program such as aumix or kmix (in KDE) you can select only one capture device between microphone and line-in and aux and telephon
05:48<iamtravis>i tried that command for the nvidia drivers after adding non-free to sources , and it says nvidia-kernel-common is a dependancy and not installed, i can't see it on apt-cache search either, any help?
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05:52<iamtravis>n/m missed the contrib line.. i thought i seen it in there
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05:58<twb>test1: he's saying he has TWO mixers
05:59<twb>At least, I assume two sound cards implies two mixers
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06:02<Supaplex>twb: with two mixers? what's next, a bread maker? ;)
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06:07<test1>Supaplex, i have 2 sound card and i want to connect 2 radio-casset to their line-ins and i want to record their sounds simultanously, how can i do this ?
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06:09<test1>Supaplex, i myself am familiar with sox, but what i must tell to sox to record from other device that the default ?
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06:09<Supaplex>test1: man rec ?
06:11<aptituz>I'm having problems with nfs4 mounts, with all uid/gid pairs mapped to nobody. syslog logs something about name '<someuseridhere>' does not map into domain 'localdomain' but i can't figure what to do with this message. getent passwd/group reveal that nss configuration is working as expected. anybody an idea?
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06:11<test1>Supaplex, yes but what is the name of my sound devices in /dev ?
06:13<Supaplex>test1: I think alsa makes those, but I don't know
06:14<test1>Supaplex, another thing that i need is that when i connect 2 input sound to their 2 line-ins, i want to be able to control that which speaker play that 2 sounds ( speakers connected to output jack of that 2 sound cards) ??
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06:15<Supaplex>test1: i'm all sorts of confused
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06:27<bongo_>how can i get a better resolution for my monitor?
06:27<bongo_>i've installed debian 4.0
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06:28<w00ter>hiya, quick question, were i find Debian Sarge? From the website i can only seem to find Etch
06:29<gsimmons_>!tell w00ter -about sarge
06:29<w00ter>cheers m8
06:31<aptituz>suddenly it works, but there is no good reason for it to work. strange.
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06:41<dsl>need some help how do i mount a camera
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06:43<dsl>sorry how would i mount my usb digital camera from the terminal
06:43<iamtravis>hello, i just enabled my onboard sound and expected it to be working, but it's not.. any ideas how to fix this?
06:43<petemc>dsl: not all cameras support usb-storage, look at gphoto
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06:44<petemc>dsl: by that i mean, you might not need to 'mount' it, but gphoto could get the pictures off it
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06:47<w00ter>I cannot install Etch when i select 'base system' as only to install. It downloads 38 packages, then stalls. If i don't select base-install, can i somehow do this trough aptitude ?
06:47<dsl>i was using pclinuxos and the camera worked fine but then i remember how much i liked damn small linux so i went back now i remember why i left lol but things are going okay so far just my camera
06:47<dsl>petemc i downloaded gphoto2
06:47<dsl>apt-get install
06:48<dsl>im reading the commands to gphoto2 right now to see if i can get it off
06:49<petemc>thats the spirit
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06:51<dsl>petemc well i just exec thismmand and it doesnt find my camera gphoto2 --auto-detect
06:51<petemc>when you plug it in, do you see anything in dmesg / messages?
06:52<dsl>let me look
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06:53<dsl>yes usb registered
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06:56<dsl>well petemc is there a grep command to check and see whats connected to the usb? I have a mouse so that should come up and if the camera is found that might come up too.
06:56<iamtravis>amixer got an invalid argument and this -> /usr/sbin/alsactl: get_control:209: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Capture Volume,0': Invalid argument
06:56<dsl>aww thats pretty simple ;)
06:56<iamtravis>from the alsaconf
06:58<dsl>hmm well theres is 4 of these im only going to list one bus 001 device 001: ID 0000:0000 then it goes bus 002 etc, same ide
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07:03<w00ter>apt-get install won't install the base system
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07:04<dsl>okay here i go i love the way my pages pop up so fast with dsl thats why i switched back to it its using a 2.4.26 kernel which is very out dated. Im also thinking that the reason the net goes so fast is dsl uses ipv4 i love this alot. So my question is what kind of debian os could i look into that offers support, small, uses low resources, and the internet pages pop up on a dime. PS i have cable and use to wait about 4 minutes for google to pop
07:04<dsl>up on PClinuxOS, with dsl it takes about 2 seconds :)
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07:05<dsl>oh one more thing not trying to be picky i need ndiswrapper support out of the box
07:05<w00ter>Any other suggestions to install the base system which refuses to be installed during the setup ?
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07:08<dsl>petemc do you know a debian system that is small, uses really low resources, uses ipv4 instead of what is used most recent, and has ndiswrapper support out of the box?
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07:08<dsl>oh and still has alot of support..
07:09<dsl>that sucks :P
07:09<petemc>its a bit of a tall order
07:09<dsl>yeah i know
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07:09<petemc>debian can do all that stuff
07:10<petemc>just not out of the box, i guess
07:10<dsl>well i just need ndiswrapper ipv4
07:10<dsl>and ipv4 sorry
07:10<petemc>and you're incapable of installing it?
07:11<dsl>oh now i can install it its just once its installed i need ta connect to the net wirelessly
07:11<dsl>and that leaves me at ndiswrapper
07:11<petemc>by install, i mean, install and configure
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07:11<dsl>oh yea i can do that
07:11<dsl>i set up this dsl system
07:12<w00ter>guy's, any suggestions for my problem? Setup locks up when selecting only the default system packages. When i install it without anything, i have a good install, but i want these set of packages it wanted to download during the setup. how can i make it do this ?
07:12<twb>Debian uses ipv4 on an ipv4 network by default, AFAIK
07:12<dsl>petemc theres alot of flavors of debian? sarge etch
07:12<petemc>dsl: sarge is old stable, etch is stable
07:13<twb>dsl: those are versions, sarge is 3.1, etch is 4.0
07:13<dsl>see theres still alot so would i be pretty good with etch?
07:13<twb>That depends what you're doing
07:14<twb>I worry about a router needing to use ndiswrapper, though
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07:15<dsl>umm using the internet to look at some porn just being real, lets see need to get my digi camera to work (i use to use digikam) lets see some graphical stuff and alot of downloading
07:15<twb>On reading scrollback, I see you aren't building a router.
07:15<iamtravis>I can't figure this out.. i did what dpkg said to do
07:15<dsl>twb i use dsl for speed when i used pclinuxos i would wait about 4 minutes on google to load
07:16<twb>iamtravis: that looks like a bug in amixer.
07:16<dsl>i have cable
07:16<iamtravis>onboard sound enabled, gave up on the xfi soundcard, did this, now the sound icon is gone from my desktop (top right corner) for some reason
07:16<dsl>when i use dsl it takes about 2 seconds
07:16<twb>dsl: the OS should not affect networkspeed.
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07:16<dsl>twb but for some reason it does
07:17<twb>Juliana: some originality, please.
07:17<dsl>dsl takes 2 sec to load google and pclinux0s takes 4?
07:17<twb>dsl: I suspect you are mis-dianosing the problem.
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07:17<twb>dsl: are you sure it's not taking four minutes to RENDER?
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07:17<dsl>4 minutes to load
07:17<twb>Juliana: plonk.
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07:18<dsl>okay before i would go have a smoke and come back and it wouldnt be loaded.
07:18<petemc>isnt oi brazillian for hi?
07:18<dsl>now its takeing 2 seconds
07:19<twb>petemc: regardless, it isn't saying anything different.
07:19<twb>dsl: there are broadly two steps involved between you typing something into your browser's address bar and something appearing onscreen -- first the browser needs to fetch the information from the internet, second it needs to render it.
07:20<twb>dsl: are you SURE it is the first step that is taking all the time?
07:20<ameyer>dsl: how much RAM do you have?
07:20<twb>dsl: if so, HOW are you sure?
07:20[~]ameyer guesses it's $insanely_low_amount_by_todays_standards
07:21<twb>ameyer: what, "only" 2GB :-/
07:22<twb>IMO, 1GB per user is obscene.
07:22<twb>Unless that 1GB is also used to store the cow of a casper netboot.
07:24<ameyer>mmm, cow
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07:26<dsl>this is how i am sure
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07:27<dsl>i have used ubuntu same
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07:27<dsl>i have used suse same
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07:27<dsl>i have used pclinuxos same
07:27<noflash> /ignore -replies dsl
07:27<dsl>and mandrivia? they are all the same?
07:28<dsl>oh i have 1 gig ram
07:29<twb>dsl: that is not a meaningful metric.
07:29<dsl>well someone said something about maybe the implement of ipv6 in the newer systems but im not sure
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07:30<dsl>i am looking at alot of perspective i noticed that ubuntu was a little better
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07:30<twb>dsl: issue the following command, then pastebin the output.
07:30<twb>time wget -q -k -p -r -l 1 -P /tmp
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07:34<w00ter>as my base system didnt install propperly, what package do i require to be able to run 'sh' scripts?
07:34<twb>w00ter: /bin/sh.
07:34<petemc>which is bash
07:34<twb>/bin/sh need not be bash.
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07:35<petemc>twb: this is true, but in debian, it is
07:35<twb>Unless you install dash.
07:35<twb>It (optionally) sets up a diversion.
07:35<dsl>its hard to cp lol here real 0m0.823s user 0m0.020s and sys is 0m0.000s
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07:35<dsl>i cant copy out of my terminal i would have to type everyting
07:35<w00ter>i get this error when installing request-tracker. On a differant system, were the baseinstall does work, i did not recieve that error. any idea's?
07:35<w00ter>RT:/home/wouter/rt-3.6.5# ./install-sh
07:35<w00ter>install: no input file specified
07:35<twb>dsl: so we can see that the fetch step took less than one second.
07:36<dsl>thats correct
07:36<dsl>aww i see where your going with this
07:36<twb>dsl: therefore the problem is not anything to do with your network configuration -- it is entirely your browser's fault.
07:36<dsl>let me write that code down and install another system
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07:36<twb>dsl: hence, the next question is: why are you using Firefox?
07:37<dsl>to get support for java :)
07:37<twb>dsl: alternatively, compare speed with `w3m', a different browser.
07:37<dsl>but i found a better way to view web pages wget
07:37<twb>wget is not a browser.
07:37<dsl>i know
07:37<dsl>but its awful kick arse
07:37<petemc>w00ter: edit that script, change the top line to #!/bin/sh -x
07:37<twb>wget is indeed useful.
07:38<dsl>twb okay so im going to try another browser
07:38<twb>I use it to look at porn for me, like an electric monk.
07:38<dsl>twb okay how about dillo? browser
07:38<twb>I prefer netsurf to dillo.
07:39<petemc>isnt that for riscos?
07:39<twb>However I'm not keen on either, since they both have sub-par keyboard support.
07:39<twb>petemc: it is in Sid.
07:39<petemc>firefox is fine for the majority of people
07:39<twb>People who have bought systems powerful enough to run Windows
07:39<twb>I mean to say that Firefox is bloated and difficult to use.
07:39<dsl>k im going to intsall debian and then try another web browser
07:39<petemc>people who have bought machines within the past 5 years
07:40<w00ter>petemc: Thanks for that, but now its returning a other weird error;
07:40<petemc>difficult to use?
07:40<twb>For example, move a tab from one window to another.
07:40<twb>Clone a tab, keeping full "back-button" history in both.
07:40<petemc>thats you being difficulyt
07:40<twb>No, it's me expecting basic functionality.
07:40<petemc>thats not basic
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07:41<twb>Plonk. This is off-topic.
07:41<dsl>oh geez okay guys here im gona have a smoke i would like to know if debian has either or fluxbox, something light :P brb
07:42<petemc>it does
07:42<petemc>!tell dsl about search
07:42<twb>dsl: you will find a fairly comprehensive list of browsers using `aptitude search ~Pwww-browser'
07:42<w00ter>I'm pretty sure my install is missing some packages which turns into the errors which i recieve from RT... Just wish i knew how to install the base system after i done the setup of Etch..
07:43<Knorrie>heya, my router just b0rk3d with lots of these errors on the console: (NETDEV WATCHDOG: lan: transmit timed out .. lan: Interrupt posted but not delivered -- IRQ blocked by another device?)
07:43<twb>Fluxbox isn't particularly light -- it's more like middleweight -- but you can find a list of WMs with ~Px-window-manager.
07:43<iamtravis>so how do i fix the alsamixer bug?
07:43<twb>w00ter: why are you not using apt to install rt?
07:44[~]Knorrie Linux peach 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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07:44<w00ter>twb: because if apt install it, its installed all over the place and becommin a pretty big mess... With the guide i can just follow it set by step, including setting up the database, apache2 etc
07:45<twb>w00ter: I disagree, and won't help you install it by hand.
07:45<w00ter>twb: allright
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07:46<w00ter>ok so i'll do another attempt using aptitude
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07:48<w00ter>So i need rt3.6-apache2, as i have a apache2 server running. correct?
07:48<dsl>thanks guys oh im short on cds i have like 1 or 2 for now will deb fit i know some sys require 1 not sure about deb
07:48<mxey>dsl: You can burn the netinstall on 1 CD.
07:49<dsl>thats the last question and ill be back once i have it installed
07:49<twb>w00ter: not sure, one moment.
07:49<mxey>But you can also netboot the installer without using any CDs if you have another box.
07:49<w00ter>twb: thanks
07:49<petemc>or use a usb key
07:49<mxey>Using PXE is the coolest way by far :)
07:49<twb>petemc: I think you need that *and* request-tracker3.6
07:49<twb>Oops, bad completion.
07:50<twb>w00ter: I think you need that *and* request-tracker3.6
07:50<dsl>sweet thanks mxey
07:50<dsl>be back in about 1 to 2 hrs
07:50<dsl>thanks everyone for the help
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07:52<w00ter>twb: rt3.6-apache2 won't automaticly do an example entry for 'sides-enabled' in apache2?
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07:53<twb>w00ter: I don't know.
07:53<w00ter>twb: k
07:53<twb>w00ter: try /usr/share/doc/<package name>/
07:54<twb>w00ter: I normally use roundup :-)
07:55<w00ter>twb: what is roundup ?
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07:56<twb>w00ter: a BTS
07:56<twb>w00ter: e.g.,
07:57<w00ter>ah ic ic
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07:57<w00ter>Well we use RT here at the office for troubletickets, and it needs a migration to new hardware, so im kinda stuck to RT
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07:58<NavOffice>Am I the only person for who an etch netinst cd (which previously worked fine) now installs lenny?
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07:58<petemc>NavOffice: where did you get the cd? and when
07:58<twb>NavOffice: you are probably using a pre-release CD that refers to `testing' instead of `etch' or `stable'.
07:59<NavOffice>several weeks ago, and it's been used to install a few dozen systems since then - all with no problems
07:59<NavOffice>in fact it worked fine on friday
07:59<NavOffice>has something been changed over the weekend?
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08:00<twb>I don't know.
08:00<NavOffice>I've actually got 2 cds - 1 is definitely a pre-release the other is 4.0R1
08:00<twb>You can find out which flavour it's trying to install by doing an `expert' installation.
08:00<NavOffice>(I tried them both just to see if there was any difference)
08:00<NavOffice>ok, thanks - I'll give it a prod
08:01<NavOffice>I don't suppose it includes such details anywhere in the install log does it?
08:01<NavOffice>certainly apt/sources contains lots of details for lenny
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08:02<twb>Yes, somewhere
08:02<twb>I don't know WHERE :-)
08:02<NavOffice>Oct 29 12:11:07 choose-mirror[23985]: DEBUG: command: wget -q
08:02<NavOffice> -O - | grep ^Codename: | cut -d' ' -f 2
08:02<NavOffice>Oct 29 12:11:08 choose-mirror[23985]: INFO: codename set to: lenny
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08:03<NavOffice>right - problem solved - I'll grab a new installer cd - I guess the change was only fairly recent then
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08:04<mikkel>hi how do i use export in a shell script?
08:05<twb>mikkel: one moment
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08:06<george>mikkel: for what purpose?
08:06<twb>Please note that, while POSIX standard, `export <name>=<value>' does not work in /bin/sh on many older unices (e.g. Solaris).
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08:08<ifvoid>I just install mysql-server-5.0
08:08<ifvoid>hwo do I now add a new user?
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08:09<george>figures the folks on #mysql wouldn't be helpful...
08:10<ifvoid>I know how to do it usually
08:10<ifvoid>just a GRANT command
08:10<ifvoid>but that gives a permission denied
08:10<ifvoid>mysql> GRANT ALL ON *.* TO 'nlv17846'@'localhost';
08:10<ifvoid>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
08:11[~]twb imprecates mysql
08:11<twb>GhostlyDeath__: one unix, many unices
08:12<george>many unix, one eunik?
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08:12<twb>Anyone attempting normativism of the English language can start with the Americans, please.
08:13<petemc>ifvoid: look in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf , then grant all for that user with that password
08:13<GhostlyDeath__>twb: what do you mean?
08:13<george>twb: that would be a racial bias, now wouldn't it :)
08:13<twb>I mean that it is not correct to assert that any particular rule should be followed in order to be "correct" English.
08:14<GhostlyDeath__>pfft Correct English
08:14<GhostlyDeath__>Who needs it?
08:14<twb>I mean to say there is no such thing as "correct".
08:14<petemc>twb: 'course there is
08:15<twb>"Formal language instruction is usually normative, which means that it involves a sense of "should and shouldn't", a notion of right and wrong behavior. In contrast, linguists follow a descriptive tradition, in which the object is to observe what people really do, and form theories to explain observed behavior."
08:15<george>twb: we would agree on that point. so long as communication is successful, there is no need to analyse after the fact
08:15<GhostlyDeath__>As long as one gets the other's point is all that matters
08:16<twb>"unices" is a relatively common convention amongst hackers.
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08:16<ifvoid>petemc: also permission denied
08:16[~]GhostlyDeath__ isn't a hacker
08:17<twb>Well, culturally it is a faux pas to declare oneself a hacker :-)
08:17<george>petemc: 'course there is? for what purpose?
08:17<twb>The title is conventionally assigned by ones peers :-)
08:17<petemc>george: communication
08:17<GhostlyDeath__>Hackers deny they are hackers and people who don't hack say they aren't hackers and people say they are
08:18<george>so... in order to communicate one must be prepared to make another feel bad?
08:18<george>alllll righteyyyyyy then :)
08:18<george>who's first? :)
08:18<GhostlyDeath__>george: ur pethatec, lets talk
08:18<george>no one? oh, ok
08:19[~]twb looks through scrollback to find the last on-topic message.
08:19[~]GhostlyDeath__ clears twb's buffer
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08:19<george>aaannnnnddd he contradicts his point!
08:19<george>the crowd goes wild!
08:19<twb>GhostlyDeath__: zounds.
08:20<GhostlyDeath__>twb: the s doesn't sound like a 'z' anymore :'(
08:23<petemc>george: whats the correlation between correct english and making someone feel bad?
08:23<GhostlyDeath__>petemc, maybe to show superiority?
08:23<petemc>not at all
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08:26<george>petemc: there shouldn't be, that's my point... for one, use of correct english has nothing to do with it, for another, if one person screws up mildly but is still understood (room? CHANNEL!), correcting another person on their grammar, spelling or word choice has the potential to imply a parental relationship where there should be none.
08:27<petemc>i didnt, or wouldnt, correct anyones grammar
08:27<twb>I think it is appropriate to draw a non-native speaker's attention to unconventional forms.
08:27<petemc>fuck off
08:27<george>ok, so we agree on that point :)
08:28<petemc>twb: not really
08:28<GhostlyDeath__>petemc: that's not nice
08:28<GhostlyDeath__>only joking
08:28<petemc>me too
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08:28<twb>petemc: you wish to discourage learning?
08:28<petemc>thats how i joke
08:28<petemc>twb: no
08:28<GhostlyDeath__>Who needs learning, experimenting is better
08:28<petemc>i wish to avoid grammar nazis
08:28<GhostlyDeath__>I wonder what happens if I delete /etc/
08:29<w00ter>I need the mod 'fastcgi' for apache2, but aptitude can't find it. anyone knows what its named?
08:29<twb>Godwins', next topic please.
08:29<george>GhostlyDeath__: what happens in yuour mind when you experiment and observe a resuilt you haven't seen before?
08:29<twb>w00ter: did you try aptitude search ~dfastcgi?
08:29<petemc>you cant invoke godwins for the use of the term grammar nazi
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08:29<w00ter>twb: No, but i just tried it when u asked, and its not returning any results
08:29[~]petemc escapes twbs tildes
08:30<twb>w00ter: OK, have you tried apt-file?
08:30<george>petemc: aka gratzis?
08:30<petemc>never heard of that
08:30<george>ok really gotta go
08:30<GhostlyDeath__>george: i maake a prediciotn
08:30<george>GhostlyDeath__: why?
08:30<GhostlyDeath__>To see if I was right
08:31<w00ter>twb: apt-file 'command not found'
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08:31<petemc>w00ter: install it
08:31<BigDaddy>Hello @all
08:31<twb>w00ter: indeed, install it.
08:31<george>GhostlyDeath__: oh, of course you're right, you never learn anything if you experiment...
08:32<twb>george: mostly, you learn that you don't know anything
08:33<george>depends on the experiment or the environment in which the experiment is conducted I suppose...
08:33<w00ter>twb: I guess i should now do 'apt-file search fastcgi' ?
08:33<twb>w00ter: use your initiative.
08:34<BigDaddy>First of all my english is very bad, i need help with an Debain 3.1sarge root server and shoutcast problems... Is anybody in here ho can help me ???
08:34<w00ter>twb: just doublechecked, as that search doesn't return anything either
08:34<twb>BigDaddy: what is your native language?
08:34<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:34<BigDaddy>cool... Thanks a lot
08:34<GhostlyDeath__>But I don't speak german
08:34<twb>BigDaddy: by all means come back here if you don't get any help, though.
08:35<BigDaddy>okay... i will try it
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08:36<w00ter>twb: Thanks for the help, i found it :D
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08:48<w00ter>twb: Sorry, i am not there yet :( I found the package name with apt-file, but when i try install the packet, it has no candidate
08:48<twb>w00ter: what package?
08:49<w00ter>can i just savely download it from
08:49<w00ter>its; libapache2-mod-fastcgi
08:49<azeem>w00ter: which version of Debian are you using?
08:49[~]twb consults
08:49<w00ter>azeem: etch
08:49<azeem>w00ter: you need to enable non-free
08:50<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
08:50<twb>w00ter: as you can see, it's in the non-free/ branch.
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08:50<twb>w00ter: once you undertstand the moral and legal implications, enable it in sources.list
08:50<w00ter>ah cool, thanks!
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09:08<w00ter>twb, azeem; Thanks for all your help :) Its running now :)
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09:09<mikkel>hiya how do i get an enviroment var from a shell script into the system? like export var="foo" does it
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09:10<diem>hey all ... does anyone know if it's possible to make apt-build to build a specific version of a package ? (somethign like apt-get source package=version ?
09:10<twb>mikkel: I don't understand
09:11<twb>diem: did you try that?
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09:11<diem>twb: yup .. and it was silently ignored ;)
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09:12<twb>diem: you can always do `dget http://foo/bar.dsc
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09:12<mikkel>twb i need to set http_proxy.. now normally i'd use export.. but that dosnt work when its called from a shell script it would seem..
09:12<twb>mikkel: what shell script?
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09:12<diem>mikkel: if you use bash you can aways try in /etc/bash.bashrc
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09:13<twb>diem: I advise against that.
09:13<mikkel>diem: i use an unholy mixture of php and bash :p
09:13<twb>mikkel: more specifically, what is launching this script? cron? sudo? atd?
09:14<mikkel>twb: i can paste it if that'll help?
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09:14<twb>mikkel: I can't see that it would hurt.
09:14<twb>But use a pastebin!
09:14<mikkel>yes ofc :)
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09:15<diem>mikkel: you could look if php have any config that let you set env. variables, otherwhise you can (most of the time) use something like 'export variable=value; cmd' on your php (or set a global variable for that to make your life easier :D )
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09:16<twb>diem: I assume you mean env name=value command
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09:17<diem>twb: could be .. but it wouldn't work if the command is another shell script :( .. that's why I suggested an export
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09:18<twb>system() is never a good idea
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09:18<mikkel>diem: im trying to use export foo="bar" in my script but it wont work..
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09:18<mikkel>twb: its just a local script..
09:19<twb>That is beside the point.
09:19<twb>PHP should have some sort of setenv() procedure.
09:19<diem>mikkel: there's something wrong with your concept of system calls ;)
09:20<diem>mikkel: when you invoke system .. php invokes the shell, executes your command and finishes .. isn't one single instance of shell during your whole php script
09:20<twb>system isn't a function call, it's a thin wrapper around fork and exec which discards important information
09:21<diem>mikkel: so when you call php function system .. it invokes a shell, (in your case) sets the env. .. and finishes. Any other call to system() will fire up a new shell.
09:21<twb>Incidentally, *address.
09:21<mikkel>yeah my point being that.. i need to set that proxy var and save it untill next reboot
09:21<diem>mikkel: that's why it's "broken" as you commented. (that was besides the "correct way" of doing the same thing.
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09:22<twb>mikkel: 00:19 <twb> PHP should have some sort of setenv() procedure.
09:22<mikkel>it dosnt
09:22<twb>Then use a better language
09:22<twb>Or use the FFI
09:22<twb>Only PHP probably doesn't have an FFI, on account of being so shit
09:22<diem>mikkel: is your proxy variable used across all your scripts ?
09:22<weasel>no wonder most php programs are shit
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09:23<twb>weasel: because php programmers are all journalism majors?
09:23<mikkel>diem: i just need that one script to set the proxy var in the env and thats about it
09:23<diem>mikkel: set this variable for what ? .. for everything in the machine ?
09:24<mikkel>would've used bash from the beginning but that dosnt work too great either
09:24<diem>mikkel: or set the variable for the following system() calls ?
09:24<mikkel>i need to set it as a global
09:24<diem>mikkel: but you meant only for your php scripts right ?
09:25<mikkel>basically i just want to check which network im on and the set a proxy adress if im on one particular
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09:25<diem>mikkel: there's one problem ..
09:25<diem>mikkel: there's no centralized way to set a proxy. some applications can use those variables .. others not ..
09:26<twb>setenv is called `putenv' in PHP, apparently.
09:26<diem>mikkel: even if you try that .. that won't apply to anything outside php.
09:26<twb>Note that setenv is process-local, but inherited by children (e.g. setenv).
09:26<mikkel>well the apps i use all works if i set the proxy manually in cmd like: export http:_proxy=""..
09:27<diem>mikkel: for example .. you can't use that to make your firefox to use that proxy
09:27<twb>http_proxy should include a protocol and a trailing slash.
09:27<twb>diem: because firefox is broken :-P
09:27<mikkel>diem: yes im aware of that
09:28<diem>mikkel: if you want to make that only for your user, you should do it in bashrc ... if you want it global (carefull to not break your box) on /etc/bash.bashrc
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09:28<diem>mikkel: but if you find too complicated to do all checking within bash script
09:28<twb>I reiterate that one should not mess with /etc/bash.bashrc and instead should use PHP's putenv().
09:29<diem>mikkel: I would suggest you to make a php script which outputs a "possible" proxy IP .. and your shell script sets that on bashrc
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09:29<mikkel>diem: hm so put it into a var and load it from bashrc?
09:29<diem>twb: as far as I understood, he wants to use that php script like a bash script .. not to set the enviroment inside a "apache"
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09:30<diem>mikkel: no ... let me put something into pastie
09:30<twb>diem: AFAICT, putenv operates at the level of the current PHP request -- not for apache.
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09:30<mikkel>diem: yes exactly.. im horrible at bash so i use php for the dirty work
09:30<twb>diem: thus it will propagate to system() child processes.
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09:31<diem>twb: to it's child processes .. but not to his user enviroment, so he can fireup links on his shell and have the proxy
09:31<twb>diem: for that, he should set it in .profile or .bash_profile
09:31<twb>diem: it is not appropriate to put user-level preferences in /etc.
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09:35<marshcast>dont suppose anyone could tell me why I'm not getting an internet connection on startup? i want a static lin, this is my /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't seem to work :( - it connects to the router, but not the gateway (router ip IS
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09:35<diem>mikkel: that's the idea .. it's not too polished what I've done. I would suggest putting this in your .profile or .bashrc
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09:36<diem>mikkel: this would apply only for your user. Note that with this, every new bash would mean a new call to your php script, so a maximum execution time of 1 or 2 seconds might save you from trouble in the future :D
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09:37<xayon>Hi there, just updated my lenny yesterday and I'm having some problems: a nmap says it's down, I've seen iptables rules are empty and I don't have any other firewall running, checked processes and I saw nothing strange, ah, I tried also with and my external ip
09:37<mikkel>diem: thanks ill give it a go =)
09:37<twb>marshcast: looks OK to me
09:38<twb>marshcast: perhaps all the `auto foos' need be consolidated
09:38<twb>marshcast: `auto lo eth0 eth1 eth2 ath0 wlan0'
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09:39<twb>diem: that's a silly script.
09:39<diem>twb: I know :D .. I'm not proud of it :D .. it was an idea only
09:39<twb>diem: apart from anything else, http_proxy is lowercase.
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09:40<marshcast>twb - ok - thanks... will give it a go. --- Would anything alse be stoping it? I can get the gateway using dhclient, but not on startup of using /etc/init.d/networking restart. Does that make sense?
09:40<twb>export http_proxy="${http_proxy:-$(php /foo/bar.php}"
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09:40<twb>marshcast: broadly, yes.
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09:41<twb>marshcast: it might also be a problem if one of the other networks ALSO wants
09:42<sheldonh>munin is the shit
09:42<twb>All Software Sucks
09:42<marshcast>twb - any guesses? anything appreciated to get me out of this loop in my head :) - no other networks (although it's a wireless router, but ip's start at 100 - and this is the only hard wired...)
09:42<twb>All Hardware Sucks
09:42<sheldonh>twb: choose the one that sucks the way you like the most
09:42<twb>marshcast: personally, I normally use /etc/ethers to assign "static" IPs over DHCP.
09:42<twb>sheldonh: ya
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09:43<twb>"sucks least disagreeably"
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09:44<marshcast>eh..? wassat twb? I have no file /etc/ethers (?)
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09:44<twb>marshcast: correct.
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09:45<twb>You probably also need to instruct your DHCP daemon to attempt to read it -- dnsmasq, at least, does not do so by default.
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09:46<xayon>anyone knows?... :(
09:46<twb>marshcast: (an OpenWRT host, but you get the idea)
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09:48<chealer>xayon: knows what?
09:48<xayon>Repeating :P --> Hi there, just updated my lenny yesterday and I'm having some problems: a nmap says it's down, I've seen iptables rules are empty and I don't have any other firewall running, checked processes and I saw nothing strange, ah, I tried also with and my external ip
09:49<chealer>xayon: you tried also what with these?
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09:49<xayon>port scan
09:52<chealer>xayon: so you did two port scans on, one on your external IP, and the scans say and your external IP are down?
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09:53<xayon>chealer, yes, and a non-ping scan gives "filtered" status on many ports, that's why I supposed some firewall rule was fucking but iptables -L is clean
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09:54<chealer>xayon: but your interfaces are up?
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09:54<xayon>chealer, I suppose... well, may be you're an alucination :P
09:55<chealer>xayon: what? anyway, if you're not sure, verify.
09:55<xayon>I only have a ethernet interface and I'm browsing now
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09:55<xayon>chealer, yes, it's up, ifconfig returns its inte address and so on
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09:56<chealer>xayon: please provide the output
09:56<xayon>chealer, I'm seeing something bizarre: I have not loopback interface
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09:57<chealer>xayon: that's not particularly surprising given your problem.
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10:00<chealer>xayon: yeah well as you noticed, your lo is down.
10:01<xayon>chealer, upped and changed auto eth1 to auto eth1 lo in interfaces
10:01<xayon>done :)
10:01<xayon>Now it works ok. Thanks
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10:02<xayon>bye, I'm 2h late to class
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10:08<acidfish>hi all
10:08<twb>acidfish: a likely story.
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10:10<twb>acidfish: that's what they all say.
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10:16<azeem>twb: please don't scare people away
10:17<twb>azeem: I /msg'd him an apology.
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10:26<sheldonh>man, munin has given me such a woody
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10:27<twb>sheldonh: you're a voyeur? :-)
10:27<sheldonh>graph pr0n, baby. graph pr0n
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10:27<w00ter>ok this is odd... I did a fresh RT3 install, and the default username is 'root' , and default password is 'password' , but its not acccepting that...
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10:29<twb>w00ter: the default *on debian*?
10:29<twb>w00ter: check /usr/share/doc/<package name>
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10:31<twb>sheldonh: say, have you seen the updating SVG graphs in OpenWRT's webif²?
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10:31[~]sheldonh looks
10:32<sheldonh>twb: openwrt, as in the firmware thingy?
10:32<twb>Of course the require a bloaty browser that does SVG.
10:32<twb>sheldonh: it's a Linux distro.
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10:32<sheldonh>another time, then :)
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10:33<w00ter>twb: As far as i can tell from those documents, it doesnt mention a default usename and password there
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10:34<twb>w00ter: dunno, then
10:34<twb>w00ter: maybe rt has an IRC channel?
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10:36<w00ter>twb: will have a look tnx
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10:43<principeb13>Eu quero saber uma coisa
10:43<principeb13>vc é
10:43<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:44<principeb13>quem pode me ensina
10:44<jcoonan>hello all
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10:46<chealer>principeb13: #debian-br
10:47<principeb13>oi who can says with migo pra indicates me an education in informatica
10:48<principeb13>póis I do not know nothing of informatica
10:48<azeem>principeb13: this channel is about Debian
10:49<twb>Wow, this guy needs a better babelmunger.
10:50<twb>"conmigo" --> "with migo"? Ay.
10:50<jcoonan>INFORMATICA!!!!! AHOY!
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10:51<azeem>jcoonan: please keep it on topic
10:52<principeb13>I am inexperienced I do not know here of nothing I want a person pra I say some to me on this
10:53|-|mode/#debian [+l 319] by debhelper
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10:55<azeem>principeb13: do you have a Debian question?
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10:56<filemover>hi Ive got a tape archive of my system on another drive and want want to extract only the firefox profiles folder from it is this possible
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10:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:58<onepamopa>I have troubles with "center/woofer" channel (it's 5.1 system)
10:59<onepamopa>on windoze, it works.. but I hate windoze
10:59<onepamopa>the other two channels are working fine
10:59<onepamopa>any ideas?
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11:00<filemover>did u check the volume controls for your soundcard
11:00<onepamopa>I checked everything
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11:01<filemover>it might be something that has to be compiled into the kernel but Im not sure you might have to talk to one of the folks here
11:01<principeb13>Debian seve pra what!
11:01|-|mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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11:01<filemover>i dont know if 5.1 stero is in the kernel by default
11:01|-|mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
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11:01<onepamopa>filemover, well, I changed motherboard and cpu
11:01<azeem>principeb13: you've been silenced for 10 minutse
11:02<onepamopa>so. other two channels are working
11:02<azeem>principeb13: please write in english or go to #debianbr
11:02<onepamopa>but woofer/center - no
11:02<azeem>eh, #debian-br
11:02<onepamopa>filemover, it is
11:02<onepamopa>believe me
11:02<onepamopa>on my other mobo, with the same kernel - it worked
11:02<onepamopa>on this mobo - with the same kernel
11:02<filemover>does the woofer chanel show up in volume control
11:02<onepamopa>onli 2 channels are working
11:03<onepamopa>well, yep
11:03<onepamopa>it's called "Center"
11:03<filemover>and are u able to move the slider up and down
11:03<onepamopa>but nothing...
11:03<mtnman>and make sure the channel is not muted
11:03<onepamopa>it's like my speakers are dead
11:03<filemover>but the other chanels work fine
11:03<onepamopa>its not muted
11:03<SimmY>Anyone here know much about Linux? I'm in dire need of help :(
11:04<filemover>so you have sound but not centre speaker
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11:04<onepamopa>filemover, i have sound on front l/r rear r/l
11:04<onepamopa>but not from woofer/center
11:04<mtnman>dpkg tell SimmY about ask
11:05<onepamopa>filemover, Ill reboot
11:05<onepamopa>to see what will happen..
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11:05<filemover>Im not sure about this but it could be something to do witih the driver you have for the soundcard or something to do with 5.1 stereo support in the kernel but Im not sure youll have to talk with someone who knows a little more
11:05<SimmY> I've installed Redhat on a spare PC. I can connect to it using SSH (Putty) from a computer that's on the same LAN, but other users outside the network can't SSH into it - they get "Network Error - Connection Timed Out" or "No Route To Host"
11:05<SimmY>I have forwarded port 22 from my router
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11:06<filemover>does it have a ssh server on it
11:06<mtnman>SimmY: 1st of all this is a debian support channel... not redhat.
11:06<mtnman>second, make sure you have sshd running
11:06<twb>mtnman: it's running
11:06<twb>mtnman: otherwise they would get `connection refused'
11:06<SimmY>Yes and I have changed the firewall settings to allow connections to it - like I say, I can connect to it using the assigned 192.168.x.x IP from a comp that's on the same network
11:06<mtnman>twb: ssh and sshd?
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11:07<SimmY>I'm not 100% sure I'm quite new to linux
11:07<SimmY>DO I check in Services?
11:07<twb>SimmY: it sounds to me like you're not forwarding the port properly.
11:07<mtnman>twb: if i were in your situation i would plug "sshd disabled redhat" into a search
11:07<filemover>ps -A | grep ssh
11:07<twb>Please, pgrep.
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11:08<SimmY>sshd is running
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11:09<mtnman>SimmY: you did not mention at first that you could log in from inside the network. that would indicate that sshd is in fact running
11:10<onepamopa>filemover, nothing happens..
11:10<onepamopa>I can switch between 2/4/6 channel
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11:10<onepamopa>so, the "switch" works.. but still no woofer/center
11:10<filemover>im just doing a google for u hang on a sec
11:10<onepamopa>I'm 100% sure that it isnt from cabling..
11:10<filemover>whats the sound card
11:10[~]mtnman wonders why people can't check google for themselves.
11:11<onepamopa>integrated on the mobo
11:11<petemc>or why they ask questions about redhat in #debian
11:11<onepamopa>mobo is GIGABYTE 8IK1100
11:11<SimmY>lol this is because it was the autojoin channels
11:11<filemover>its integrated into the chipset
11:11[~]mtnman gives petemc a juicy apple
11:11<onepamopa>filemover, that's right
11:11<filemover>and it works fine with windows
11:11<onepamopa>so, on f?cking windoeze - it works just fine ... damn..
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11:12<mtnman>petemc: sounds anyhow like a problem with his router, not his linux box.
11:12|-|mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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11:12<chealer>onepamopa: please watch your language
11:12<twb>mtnman: why isn't the router running Linux!
11:12<onepamopa>chealer, no problems, I just hate windows.. that's all
11:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
11:13<twb>Linux everywhere! Raar! Linux for beep machines and fighter planes!
11:13[~]twb snickers
11:13<mtnman>twb: dunno, but if he can't config tell is sshd is running or not by himself, i doubt he
11:13<mtnman>he'd set up a linux router.
11:13<chealer>onepamopa: that's OK, but #debian doesn't need to know
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11:14<SimmY>Are there any channels on here that'd offer help?
11:14<petemc>#redhat , here or on freenode
11:14<onepamopa>chealer, np ;)
11:14<onepamopa>sorry about my language :>
11:15<filemover>onepamopa: is the music your trying to play got 5 channels
11:15<chealer>SimmY: I don't think so
11:15<SimmY>LoL both chan's are empty
11:15<onepamopa>filemover, it got 6 on my old mobo
11:15<SimmY>SO you guys think it's my portforwarding?
11:15<chealer>petemc: no #redhat here
11:15<onepamopa>but now, it's only 4... ;(
11:15<filemover>k one sec
11:15<petemc>there is on freenode
11:15<chealer>-ChanServ- [#RedHat] Welcome to #RedHat we are here to help you if there is noone present in the channel and you need help email me at
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11:16<onepamopa>"if there is noone present" ...
11:16<filemover>i think ive found something onepamopa
11:16<onepamopa>filemover, what is it ?
11:17<onepamopa>I hope for a solution...
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11:17<filemover>youll have to edit your asound.conf file ill send the url ok
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11:18<filemover>this is the alsa surround sound wiki :
11:18<onepamopa>filemover, where the .... is asound.conf ??
11:18<filemover>one sec ok
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11:22<filemover>ok onepamopa .asoundrc is in your home directory
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11:23<onepamopa>there's no sush file
11:23<filemover>and that is a user config of alsa
11:23<filemover>no its ok
11:23<filemover>you just add it
11:23<filemover> nano ~/.asoundrc
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11:23<filemover>and paste that stuff in
11:24<filemover>ive been reading about it and you shouldnt need a config file for the latest also setup
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11:24<filemover>and when youve finished youll have to restart
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11:34<onepamopa>filemover, nothing
11:34<filemover>did u reboot
11:34<onepamopa>intel8x0 Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
11:35<onepamopa>I rebooted alsa
11:35<onepamopa>not entire pc
11:35<filemover>reboot then
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11:41<onepamopa>filemover, nope... still the same
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11:41<filemover>ive been doing some more reading
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11:42<filemover>whats the name of the device in your music program
11:42<onepamopa>hw 0;0
11:42<onepamopa>I have hw 0;4
11:42<onepamopa>when I choose this one, no sound comes out of anywhere
11:43<filemover>change it to ch51dup
11:43<onepamopa>but I hear some noise from center
11:43<filemover>and restart the app
11:43<filemover>or click apply
11:43<onepamopa>error ...
11:43<filemover>one sec
11:44<onepamopa>filemover, well, it's not just from music player
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11:44<onepamopa>any sound comes out only on 4 channels
11:44<filemover>try this in the device surround51
11:45<filemover>once youve isolated the right pcm name you can change it system wide
11:45<onepamopa>the same error
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11:45<filemover>one sec
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11:47<filemover>try ch41dup
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11:48<onepamopa>audacious freezes
11:48<onepamopa>I cant play anything with every setting
11:48<onepamopa>0;0 0;4 ....
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11:49<filemover>youll have to go back to your first setting then
11:49<mikkie>how to update a debian kernel from 2.4.21 to new?
11:49<mikkie>on a embeded system?
11:49<filemover>hw: 0,4 or whatever it was
11:50<onepamopa>filemover, I tried every setting including the "default "
11:50<mikkie>superH4 architecture
11:50<onepamopa>no sound..
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11:50<filemover>did u set it back to the way it was
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11:51<onepamopa>well. I have sound but only from 4 channels again
11:51<filemover>one sec
11:51<filemover>open .asoundrc again
11:52<filemover>nano ~/.asoundrc
11:53<filemover>and where you see surround51 replace it with you working device name
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11:54<filemover>the working device number you have
11:54<filemover>hw: 0,4 or whatever it was
11:54<filemover>or just you could use default
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11:55<filemover>but the device name would be better
11:55[~]azsenca say hi to all
11:55<filemover>device number
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11:57<onepamopa>filemover, I'm using default pcm device
11:58<onepamopa>other two gave me an error
11:58<onepamopa>now I dont have kde sounds
11:58<onepamopa>and still 4 channels
11:58<filemover>it would be a good idea if you could find out what the default device number is ie hw:0,4
11:59<mtnman>is is possible the sound you are trying to play is only 4 channels?
11:59<filemover>and use it in the asoundrc file instead of surround51
11:59<filemover>thats what i said b4
11:59<filemover>but he reckons its 6
11:59<onepamopa>mtnman, no, it's flac and it runs on 6 channels
11:59<onepamopa>on my old mobo
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12:00<onepamopa>filemover, check your pm
12:01<mtnman>onepamopa: if i were you i would be checking with search engine to see if anyone else has had a similar problem with that mobo and its onboard sound under linux
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12:01<onepamopa>mtnman, I found but on chineese and portugal ....
12:01<onepamopa>I understand only english bulgarian
12:02<mtnman>onepampopa: well there is babblefish, or you could continue searching since its likely that the problem does not follow linguistic lines.
12:02<w00ter>u can use google translator
12:02<filemover>yeah it could be a thing with the soundcard because alsa should handle 5.1 no problems from what Ive read here
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12:03<onepamopa>well I'll try to upgrade alsa..
12:03<filemover>have you got amarok playing anything onepamopa
12:03<onepamopa>filemover, audacious
12:03<filemover>ok one sec
12:04<onepamopa>so.. downloading 150 packages..
12:04<onepamopa>210 megs
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12:09<tresko22>Hi! Anyone knows what this means? Oct 16 10:44:13 localhost java: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for " IN A", got type "39" -> got it from auth.log
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12:14<onepamopa>blah... still 4 channels
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12:17<dserban>onepamopa, 57 channels and there's nothing on?
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12:17<onepamopa>dserban, 4 sound channels, not 6 ;)
12:18<dserban>alsa = fun
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12:18<onepamopa>I just upgraded it and... still no center/woofer ;)
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12:18<dserban>meh, it's usually the busted hardware is what I've run into.
12:19<onepamopa>yep.. I got 4 channels with kde sounds too..
12:19<onepamopa>not just audacious
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12:33<filemover>hi there
12:34<filemover>somebody banned my ip for no reason
12:35<pumpkin0>filemover: banned from what ?
12:35<filemover>i couldnt connect
12:36<filemover>so i fired up tor and reconfigured virc and got in
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12:36<filemover>i was trying to help this guy out with his soundcard
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12:37<pumpkin0>filemover: it didn't happen in here, the forum-log is clean
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12:37<filemover>it must have been something else
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12:37<filemover>anyway pumpkin0 got to go
12:38<filemover>its late here
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13:08<sasha>hi , could someone explain me how to enable the gnome sounds under gnome , xmms , mplayer ... are working great but i cant have any system sound like beep ...
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13:23<sasha>is it better to use pulse audio or libesd-alsa with debian / gnome ??
13:24<dkr>I think the latter is used by default, doesn't gnome sound effects option say soemthing about esd?
13:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:26<jokeman>i am from brazil
13:26<mxey>There was some Ion replacement in development, does anyone know the name?
13:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:27<jokeman>how i go to debian br?
13:27<marsbiker>i would want to go to brazil! ;)
13:27<marsbiker>jokeman: dpkg just told you
13:27<sasha>dkr : after better google searching i ve seen some tuto about pulseaudio installation , is it a good solution ?
13:28<jokeman>i am sinister
13:28<dkr>typiar la command: /j #debian-br
13:29<jokeman>thank you
13:29<jokeman> /j #debian-br
13:29<jokeman> /j #debian-br
13:29<dkr>no space before /
13:29<jokeman>thank you
13:30<jokeman>bye bye
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13:30<dkr>my fake portuguese - "typiar la command" - cracked me up. I think the sleep deprivation is making me slap-happy. :)
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13:31<sasha>looks more french then portugese
13:33<fxiny>change yor dns server :)
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13:38<sasha>couls someone give a good link about all the possible configuration of sound servers under debian alsa / esd /oss/ pulse that get me confused
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13:39<Scurz>ah oui c'est vrai :)
13:39<Scurz>yop !
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13:44<scrash>alguien habla español
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13:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:49<amer>Hi everyone, My machine is Fujitsu Siemens Amilo La1703, my sound card is VIA High Definition Audio Controller but There is no sound can any one help me please? This my second day on Debian
13:49<scrash>ok gracias
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13:53<amer> Hi everyone, My machine is Fujitsu Siemens Amilo La1703, my sound card is VIA High Definition Audio Controller but There is no sound can any one help me please? This my second day on Debian
13:53<fxiny>amer: check if alsa-utils is installed then run alsaconf
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13:55<amer>alsaconf everything is fine but i still can't here any sound
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13:58<fxiny>amer: run alsamixer
13:58<fxiny>put the volume up
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13:59<bzed>amer: and play with all other settings in the mixer.
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13:59<amer>I tried all the option but still no sound
13:59<amer>hi bzed
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14:00<valdyn>!tell amer -about ask
14:00<fxiny>amer: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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14:02<amer>Still no voice
14:02<amer>at all
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14:03<valdyn>amer: read what dpkg told you
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14:05<amer>It asked me to select alsa or oss and I chose alsa then it quits
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14:06<fxiny>does alsaconf detect your card ?
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14:07<amer>yes it gives via high definition audio controller
14:07<amer>everything seems ok but sound
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14:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:08<valdyn>amer: so which program is not giving you the sound you are expecting?
14:09<valdyn>maybe someone should create an easier to understand factoid, if that's possible
14:10<amer>I tried totem xine movie player
14:10<amer>all no sound
14:10<valdyn>amer: what's the output of "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav" ?
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14:14<b0r3d>hi. does gutsy cd1 contain kde files?
14:14<b0r3d>i want to install kde instead of gnome
14:14<valdyn>amer: your sound is ok, your volume settings may not be or your speakers might not be plugged in properly
14:15<valdyn>amer: or you have more than 1 output device
14:15<c00i90wn>b0r3d: wrong channel, you are on #debian
14:15<valdyn>amer: paste output of "cat /proc/asound/devices" too please
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14:17<valdyn>that's intel hda? duh
14:18<amer>I didn't get u
14:19<valdyn>amer: this looks like a very simple audio devic
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14:20<bzed>chances are good that amer needs more recent alsa modules
14:20<valdyn>amer: show "cat /proc/asound/cards" too please
14:20<bzed>there were a lot of changes in the intel_hda code
14:21<valdyn>..if i had any clue about his actual hardware features..
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14:22<valdyn>amer: its possible that your card is just really crippled intel hda i guess - then you only have volume settings and plugging in the speakers properly to fix
14:22<amer>sorry guys but i really want to get rid of windows
14:22<valdyn>amer: otherwise i would try a kernel from
14:23<valdyn>amer: the sarge kernel (2.6.18) is probably older than your hardware.
14:23<amer>sorry But all I have is the laptop I dont have additional speakers
14:23<valdyn>amer: that'S good, one less possible error source
14:23<valdyn>amer: though there could still be a hardware volume control on that laptop
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14:24<amer>yes but the volume controller is fine I mean the mute button is disabled
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14:25<valdyn>amer: alright - so use that newer kernel
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14:26<amer>ok but I have updated my debian to the last edition
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14:26<valdyn>amer: uname -r
14:26<Alternativende>Hello guys
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14:26<Alternativende>someone here who speaks German ?
14:26<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:26<Alternativende>I have some trouble with UTF8 ...
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14:27<valdyn>amer: has up to 2.6.22, for your system, i think
14:27<amer>ok I will try right now thanks everyone for ur help I really appeciate
14:27<valdyn>!which driver
14:27<dpkg>methinks driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into .
14:28<fxiny>Alternativende: what trouble ?
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14:56<matteo>hello everyone...i'm a linux newbe,and i'm gettig some troubles with graphics...who can help me plz?
14:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:58<vsayikiran>why everybody is sleeping , no body is talking in this channel
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14:58<ra9ftm>Hello. Anybody knows, is madwifi working on linux 2.6.22 kernel? Trying it with D-Link card and I have no new ethernet devices in my system...
14:58<dondelelcaro>ra9ftm: yes, it works.
14:58<fxiny>vsayikiran: telepaty :)
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14:59<matteo>so...i'm running ubuntu 7.10 on a pentium 4 3ghz 2gb ram,ati x200 on-board(waiting for my geforce 8 that's broken).monitor is an acer al1731 in rgb mode,but i can't change resolution
14:59<fxiny>most of users are cats ...
14:59<vsayikiran>matteo this is debian channel
14:59<Myon>matteo: try #ubuntu, we can't help with non-Debian stuff here
14:59<ra9ftm>dondelelcaro: Hm, I use make, make install. all is ok witout errors. And then modporbe ath_pci.
14:59<Myon>especially not with hardware problems, and very-especially not with graphics hardware
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15:00<ra9ftm>then type ifconfig - nothing new...
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15:01<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: i just saw you online in IRC server, how come you are here?
15:01<ra9ftm>dondelelcaro: what I doing wrong? Can you help me to check what's wrong?
15:01<Myon>vsayikiran: you can connect to dozens of networks at once
15:01<@Ganneff>vsayikiran: noone is limited to just one network
15:03<ra9ftm>server:/home/ra9ftm/madwifi/madwifi- lsmod | grep ath
15:03<ra9ftm>ath_pci 88448 0
15:03<ra9ftm>wlan 184100 1 ath_pci
15:03<ra9ftm>ath_hal 191504 1 ath_pci
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15:03<vsayikiran>Myon: can two irc servers connect each other so that poeple online in different servers can chat with each other?
15:03<ra9ftm>I am sorry :(
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15:03<Myon>ra9ftm: did you try using module-assistant?
15:03<tex>vsayikiran, yes. it's called irc network.
15:04<Myon>vsayikiran: yes. But I said different _networks_
15:04<ra9ftm>Myon: Yes. I have tryed this also.
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15:05<vsayikiran>Myon: then what about different networks, how are irc servers and irc network different?
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15:06<tex>vsayikiran, check
15:07<fxiny>ops , a cydork ?
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15:07<cydork>fxiny: hiya!! :)
15:07<fxiny>cydork: :)))
15:07<vsayikiran>when wireless is disabled in my laptop , and i restart my pc , then i hangs and stops responding, why?
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15:09<vsayikiran>when i restart my laptop with wireless diabled, the computer hangs
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15:11<vsayikiran>why does my computer hang during booting whenever wireless lan is disabled in BIOS
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15:12<vsayikiran>people are non-responsive in this channel i dont know why:(
15:12<Pryon>HOw long do you wait for it to come up?
15:12<Pryon>Is it attempting to make a DHCP request?
15:13<azeem>vsayikiran: because you're unspecific; you haven't even mentioned where your computer hangs, whether there was an error or what the last kernel output was
15:13<vsayikiran>Pryon: are you writing for me
15:14<vsayikiran>azeem: well it does not give any error message then what should i mention
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15:14<vsayikiran>Pryon: what happened to you
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15:15<azeem>also, don't assume people look at IRC all the time just to help you
15:15<Pryon>I'm just listening. It's difficult to diagnose a problem with almost no information.
15:15<azeem>vsayikiran: did you read to the end of waht I said?
15:15<Pryon>And questions go unanswered
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15:16<vsayikiran>Pryon: well the problem is it stops responding whenever it loads ipw3945d and says " configuring network interfaces...."
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15:16<azeem>vsayikiran: so why did you withhold this essential information?
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15:17<azeem>vsayikiran: also, please answer to 20:09 < Pryon> HOw long do you wait for it to come up?
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15:17<vsayikiran>Pryon: then i have to wait for a long time, and hit the restart button and enable wireless so that it shows me the login prompt
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15:18<azeem>vsayikiran: how long is "a long time"?
15:18<azeem>minutes, 10 minutes?
15:18<vsayikiran>azeem: its just long time, more than half an hour
15:18<azeem>did you try to hit ctrl+c at the keyboard?
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15:19<vsayikiran>azeem; no i didnt hit anything, if always hangs at that point and i have to press the restart button
15:19<azeem>vsayikiran: so try it
15:20<vsayikiran>azeem: in that it is not able to read any key, as far as i remember
15:21<fxiny>half an hour ? wt4x of a timeout !
15:21<vsayikiran>azeem: but when wireless is enabled there is no problem, so i think there must be some config problem
15:21<azeem>vsayikiran: why do you want to disable WLAN in the BIOS anyway?
15:22<vsayikiran>azeem: because i dont need wlan, i do net in lan , i dont have to switch on wlan always
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15:23<valdyn>sounds like dhcp
15:23<vsayikiran>azeem: if wlan is enabled it will keep on searching for nearest ap and increase load on my pc, i want to disable because i dont want
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15:23<valdyn>vsayikiran: remove the wlan interface from the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces
15:24<vsayikiran>azeem: but problem is if i disable wlan my pc hangs at bootup
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15:24<vsayikiran>valdyn: will it work
15:24<valdyn>vsayikiran: sure, im really jesus and i know everything before it happens
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15:25<JasonS>valdyn: you are? next saturdays winning lottery numbers please then
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15:25<azeem>vsayikiran: so you want to reboot each time you need wlan or not?
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15:26<vsayikiran>valdyn: i thought you are realy genius, as such there is no auto line in that file
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15:26<valdyn>vsayikiran: there is
15:26<azeem>vsayikiran: pastebin the file
15:26<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
15:26<vsayikiran>azeem: i dont want
15:26<azeem>vsayikiran: leave out the password/essid then
15:26<vsayikiran>azeem: ok
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15:28<vsayikiran>azeem: what happens to those contents that we paste in paste bin, do the webmasters delete it after some time
15:28<azeem>I guess
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15:31<azeem>so is eth1 or eth2 your wlan device?
15:32<vsayikiran>valdyn: watch for auto line
15:32<vsayikiran>eth2 is wlan and eth1 is lan
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15:33<vsayikiran>azeem: i feel the problem is with modprobe, what do you say?
15:34<azeem>vsayikiran: did you delete the essid settings in interfaces before you pastebin?
15:35<vsayikiran>azeem: yes i deleted the name of essid and then pasted , it is still there in my file
15:36<vsayikiran>azeem: what happened?
15:36<azeem>maybe check the ipw3945d init script (assuming there is one) whether it does some configuring
15:36<azeem>what happened to what
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15:37<vsayikiran>azeem: where is this script file, in which location
15:37<azeem> /etc/init.d, as usual
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15:39<vsayikiran>azeem: what should i search in this script, i am totaly new to this stuff
15:40<azeem>in that case, just keep the wlan on and live with it
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15:40<azeem>can't you run ifdown eth2 if you don't need it?
15:40<azeem>and possible unload ipw3945d and the kernel modules
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15:41<azeem>gotta go now, laters
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15:43<vsayikiran>azeem: you told me to open ipw3945d file in /etc/init.d, now you are telling you dont know
15:43<Myon>vsayikiran: whining won't help
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15:45<vsayikiran>azeem: the problem is you are not able to locate where the problem, i told i dont need wlan often, but does not mean i wont use it for ever, i installed the drivers so that i can use it in near future
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15:48<vsayikiran>problem are not sovled here but created instead>:o
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15:49<fxiny>that's not fair
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15:57<onepamopa>blah, 6ch still dont work
15:57<juari>bla bla
15:57<onepamopa>only 4...
15:57<onepamopa>anyone who knows how to fix that st?ped sound ?
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16:05<Walda>Any known issues with debian etch and d-link 604?
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16:11<Tuplad>hey guys, I was planning to switch from debian to ubuntu, what's the difference ? ubuntu is based on debian and I haven't seen any differences
16:12<Fafa>to my opinion ubuntu is more for a "common" people and tries to look like windows
16:12<Fafa>but only to my opinion :)
16:13<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: there are quite a few differences, actually
16:13<chealer>Tuplad: there are many differences, they don't have the same distributor.
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16:14<Eulex>Tuplad, pronounciation and spelling, for example.
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16:14<Nemoder>in general I would say ubuntu makes a lot of assumptions about the user and what software they want installed by default based on that
16:15<Tuplad>So I guess it would be better for me
16:15<Tuplad>I have Linux only for 2 months or so
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16:15<Tuplad>and I can't figure out a lot of things now in Debian
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16:15<Tuplad>would Ubuntu give me a better start ?
16:16<jagerman>Tuplad: Yeah, ubuntu is probably an easier place to start from than debian.
16:16<Nemoder>on the flip side you might end up learning less about your system so if something goes wrong you'll be even worse off
16:16<jagerman>Nemoder: I don't think most users really *care*.
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16:17<Tuplad>I do actually, but I just want to get familiar with all the stuff like in windows
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16:17<Tuplad>to figure out what all the folders are for etc.
16:17<jagerman>Nemoder: Sure, tech-minded users do, but this mentality that learning about the workings of your system being a worthwhile thing needs to go away.
16:17<Tuplad>to get GOOD at the visual level
16:17<valdyn>Tuplad: you mean the GUI ?
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16:17<valdyn>Tuplad: or what's a 'visual level' supposed to be?
16:18<Nemoder>it just depends how much you want to learn really, if something goes wrong you can always reinstall if you are good about backing up important data
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16:19<Nemoder>jagerman: some people choose to use linux specifically so they can learn more about computers, others just want something that works for day to day tasks
16:19<dpkg>rumour has it, fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or <OS X>, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the debian-policy package
16:19<valdyn>Tuplad: read ^^
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16:21<Tuplad>hmmm, I don't get it :] but I'll check the website
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16:21<valdyn>Tuplad: you'd best ask what exactly you cannot figure out instead of thinking that switching distro is the solution to anything.
16:21<onepamopa>so, again..
16:21<valdyn>Tuplad: that website explains the purpose of each "folder", but that's really "directory" in linux
16:21<onepamopa>I have problems with integrated sound card
16:21<onepamopa>on 6ch only 4 are working..
16:22<onepamopa>no center/woofer channels
16:22<onepamopa>any ideas ?
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16:22<Tuplad>valdyn: yeah :) but I'm just going insane
16:22<Tuplad>EVERYTHING crashes
16:22<Tuplad>I can not name an app that haven't crashed
16:22<Tuplad>even my panel crashed >_>
16:22<valdyn>Tuplad: you broke key components or you have broken hardware
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16:23<valdyn>key software components.
16:23<Tuplad>yes that's it
16:23<Tuplad>I went from etch to sid and then from sid to lenny like a week ago
16:23<valdyn>Tuplad: that'S not possible
16:23<valdyn>Tuplad: you tried to do that
16:23<Tuplad>and sometimes I update software, so I guess there is lots of sid and a little of lenny
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16:24<valdyn>Tuplad: you should reinstall and make sure you preservce a clean _stable_ system, be that etch or another distro.
16:24<valdyn>Tuplad: there's ways to cleanly install more "up to date" software if you need that, switching to sid is not it
16:25<Tuplad>yeah I figured that out :| people on #debian told me horror stories about sid so I decided to go away
16:25<valdyn>Tuplad: right, but you cannot go away
16:25<valdyn>Tuplad: downgrading is not ever supported anywhere really
16:25<Tuplad>but this distro was more like a test, because it was a switch from windows to linux and I knew I would fk up, so I thought of switching to ubuntu because it's more aimed at the user
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16:26<Tuplad>here, I don't have swap and /home isn't an apart thingie (forgot the word)
16:26<valdyn>Tuplad: it isn't, its just focused at one single "static" environment for the user
16:26<Tuplad>valdyn: yeah I know, the guy said so, he just said, software updates will come out and eventually you'll "downgrade"
16:26<valdyn>Tuplad: where debian supports to many choices for a newcomer, i guess
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16:27<Tuplad>so you're suggesting to just reinstall ? :)
16:27<valdyn>Tuplad: that'S right what that guy said, but he probably didnt tell you that that can take years in the extreme
16:27<Tuplad>oh o_O
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16:28<valdyn>Tuplad: mind, extreme isnt the usual, but point is you have an unsupported system
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16:29<valdyn>Tuplad: unsupportable system too
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16:29<valdyn>Tuplad: because your combination of sid and lenny packages exists only on your system
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16:44<vame>Hi. Im having a problem with the hda-intel audio drivers. I can only seem to make the sound work with headphones. I've opened the mixer and messed around with everything.
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16:45<vame>I've also installed alsa 1.0.15 , but that didn't work either. anyone have any idea?
16:45<onepamopa>vame, I have troubles with intel sound too ;)
16:45<onepamopa>it works but only on 4 channels ...
16:45<onepamopa>no 6
16:45<onepamopa>and it seems that noone knows what's happening
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16:47<vame>hm. I guess I have to wait a bit then for new drivers. I think people have solved it though, but I don't know how.
16:48<onepamopa>how new ..
16:48<onepamopa>my mobo is over 1 year old ;)
16:49<vame>this is an lg laptop. about 7 months old
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16:51<onepamopa>well, I have no idea
16:51<onepamopa>google too
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16:52<vame>well it's more of an annoyance , I can just plugin the headset and then I get sound :)7
16:52<onepamopa>Ill kick my pc, it may start to work ;)
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17:06<IRCMonkey>Hi, I just failed to boot on 2.6.22. Where can I found a log of this failure?
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17:07<azeem>IRCMonkey: under /var/log, depending on when it failed
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17:09<Kebianizao>I've build a linux kernel the Debian way and I have done a change in the config, could I rebuild the Debian way using the existing objects?
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17:09<Kebianizao>I usually do clean and then build again, but that's a lot of time and heat :)
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17:09<azeem>Kebianizao: try to just run build
17:09<azeem>should work
17:10<Kebianizao>thanks azeem I'll try
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17:14<IRCMonkey>azeem: It freezed at "usb scsi time". And nothing in /var/log/message (sure I checked the dates). No other information :)
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17:15<Kebianizao>azeem: looks it's working :)
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17:18<IRCMonkey>azeem: I've been told to unplug my card reader then reboot: back in a minute
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17:20<ZZT32>Having some problems compiling Nautilus on Debian Etch if anyone wants to lend me a hand:
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17:20<Tuplad>valdyn: hey valdyn, I think I see a pattern in my crashes now: applications that are written in python are crashing all the time (emesene, exaile, ...)
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17:21<azeem>ZZT32: looks like you have the wrong libeel version
17:21<ZZT32>azeem, alright, I'll build that from source. Odd that configure didn't say anything about it though >>;
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17:22<wrkout>Hi all. Could you help me complete my sources.list quickly? I don't like seeking googles - I don't have time for this :) Please I'm on ETCH
17:22<Tuplad>wrkout: sup ?
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17:22<Supaplex>!tell wrkout -about sources.list
17:23<Tuplad>!tell tuplad -about sources.list
17:23<ZZT32>!tell ZZT32 -about sources.list
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17:23<Supaplex>!self tell
17:23<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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17:24<ZZT32>azeem, ... old GTK version? O_o Configure didn't say anything.
17:24[~]ameyer wonders if "/msg dpkg tell foo about bar" works as expected
17:25<azeem>eh, libeel-2.20?
17:25<petemc>the bot should msg you saying what it did
17:25<ZZT32>azeem, newest one on their FTP
17:25<azeem>ZZT32: you need to build the eel which is appropriate for the version of nautilus you want
17:25<Tuplad>what was the command to reinstall in apt ? apt-get --reinstall ?
17:26<azeem>Tuplad: reinstall what?
17:26<Tuplad>azeem: a package
17:26<Supaplex>Tuplad: dpkg-reconfigure might be better, but yes apt-get install --reinstall foo
17:26<Tuplad>thanks :)
17:27<Tuplad>hmm, can't I FORCE to reinstall ?
17:27<Tuplad>like really redownload the package and install it again
17:27<Tuplad>python-gtk2 set to manual installed.
17:27<Supaplex>maybe it's in your cache
17:28<Supaplex>either update then reinstall, or apt-get clean
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17:29<Kebianizao>azeem: looks like it's rebuilding everything from scratch
17:29<azeem>stupid linux
17:30<Supaplex>oh sure, blame the kernel
17:30[~]Supaplex files a bug report on azeem ;)
17:31<SharkMa-san>lol... copy speed jumped to 40mb/s to 10mb/s after 10 minutes
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17:33<Kebianizao>Supaplex, azeem is blaming Debian OT here? :D
17:33<SharkMa-san>damn... I don't want to wait for 1½ hours just because it suddenly doesn't want to copy at full speed
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17:46<jred184>can someone help with installing a plextor px-tv402u on debian 4?
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17:48<Tuplad>can I share a folder like in windows ?
17:48<Tuplad>so people in the same network can access it ?
17:48<jred184>yes, you need samba
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17:48<serge>i got a problem...
17:48<Tuplad>lets check aptitude :)
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17:49<serge>how can i add a language in debian?
17:49<Tuplad>omg :X it asks for a domain
17:49<chealer>jred184: not unless you ask your question.
17:49<Joy>anyone here have experience with samba domains? i can't get my BDC to join the domain, ldapsam is screwing with me :(
17:50<Joy>it revolves around
17:50<jred184>sorry...I can't get debian to "recognize" it
17:50<Joy> ldapsam_getsampwsid: Unable to locate SID [S-1-5-21-145766654-2861277506-32727
17:50<Joy>06772-513] count=0
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17:50<Joy> get_md4pw: Workstation TEST$: no account in domain
17:50<Joy> _net_auth2: failed to get machine password for account TEST$: NT_STATUS_ACCESS
17:50<jred184>i just installed mythTV
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17:51<serge>people, can anybody help me with addind a new language in os?
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17:51<chealer>serge: did you try # dpkg-reconfigure locales; ?
17:52<serge>i tried "locale"
17:53<serge>i think it will work, thank you!
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17:54<jred184>i think that it is a driver issue, so I download the drivers and tried to compile, but it spits out some errors
17:54<jred184>any ideas?
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17:54<jred184>i get " âAUDC_SET_INPUTâ undeclared"
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17:55<Tuplad>how do I find out my workgroup ?
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17:57<chealer>Tuplad: which X session type do you use?
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17:57<Tuplad>chealer: gnome ?
17:57<chealer>Tuplad: yes. did you check smb.conf?
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18:00<Tuplad>chealer: one sec
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18:00<Tuplad>chealer: I shared a folder and tried to get in from other computer, it asked for a password :\
18:01<tolkien>Hi all. nobody got problem with last xorg server 7.3?
18:01<Tuplad>chealer: I can't find smb.conf *blush*
18:01<chealer>tolkien: did you check the BTS?
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18:02<Tuplad>chealer: it isn't in /etc/
18:02<the-dude_>its in /etc/samba/
18:02<chealer>Tuplad: it should be (though indirectly)
18:03<serge>feel myself awful newbie, but i can't find any language selector =(
18:03<chealer>serge: which X session type do you use?
18:04<serge>is answer Gnome correct?
18:04<chealer>serge: yes (but I don't know GNOME)
18:05<serge>or u asked something else?
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18:05<Tuplad>chealer: ahh, I dumped samba
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18:07<azeem>jrolland-iMac: please don't write in all caps
18:07<weasel>jrolland-iMac: DO NOT SHOUT
18:07<weasel>jrolland-iMac: IT IRRITATES PEOPLE
18:07<jrolland-iMac>I tried to install a simple program, apatutude when crazy, and now "Software update" won't tell me what changed overnight
18:08<chealer>tolkien: don't send non-private messages in private without asking for permission first.
18:08<jrolland-iMac>*I* am irritated!
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18:08<weasel>so what?
18:08<weasel>no reason to irritate us
18:08<azeem>jrolland-iMac: if you want help, it's smart to not irritate those who can help you
18:08<weasel>some people...
18:08<aricz>oh my fucking God.. he used CAPSLOCK..
18:08<jrolland-iMac>Can I get an answer, please
18:08<azeem>jrolland-iMac: which version of Debian do you run?
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18:09<chealer>jrolland-iMac: no, unless you're not running stable or testing.
18:09<jrolland-iMac>Etch, not sure wwitch version
18:09<jrolland-iMac>How do I check
18:09<azeem>etch is 4.0
18:09<azeem>so aptitude definetely didn't change overnight
18:10<jrolland-iMac>dnome-core, bug-buddy, ekiga, eog, esound, and a bunch of other programs randomly began uininstalling
18:11<azeem>jrolland-iMac: please paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin
18:11<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
18:11<jrolland-iMac>The orange box with a white star in the upper right hand corner syas new software is ready, but won't tell me what
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18:13<serge>i logged in kde, but still can't help myself =(
18:14<chealer>serge: ah, no use...KDE's language is independent from the system's language.
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18:15<serge>what can you advise to me?
18:15<chealer>serge: did you re-login after running dpkg-reconfigure?
18:16<azeem>jrolland-iMac: which program did you try to install?
18:16<Atomo64>serge: do you want a new system language? or a new language in gnome/kde/etc?
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18:18<jrolland-iMac>I think I need md5 support for encryption
18:18<hakeem>vous parlez chinois bonjour
18:18<jrolland-iMac>(openssh problem - whole nother story)
18:18<serge>Atomo64: i can't type in my language and it disapointing me very much... I think i need system language to deal with this problem
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18:19<Atomo64>serge: what exactly do you mean by "i can't type in my language" that could mean anything: missing fonts, wrong keyboard layout, wrong X kb layout, etc
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18:21<Joy>Internal (implementation specific) error
18:21<Joy>oh, i hate slapd
18:21<Atomo64>serge: check for missing fonts, also check man setlocale, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, etc ... anyways, I'm leaving now
18:21<Joy>hi azeem
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18:22<jrolland-iMac>I have a whole list of "Packages being removed because they are no longer used"
18:22<azeem>jrolland-iMac: why do you need to build openssh?
18:22<azeem>jrolland-iMac: 33
18:22<azeem>eh, oops
18:22<jrolland-iMac>Long story, I need to have a friend log onto my box
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18:22<azeem>and openssh from Debian doesn't allow that?
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18:23<jrolland-iMac>I get this error "Permission denied (publickey,password)."
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18:24<jrolland-iMac>I was told by Googling this is an md5 error
18:24<Joy>additional info: no structuralObjectClass operational attribute
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18:24<Joy>that's better
18:24<azeem>jrolland-iMac: it's most likely user error
18:24<serge>could anybody say me what to do to add a language in debian
18:25<jrolland-iMac>Whatever. Do you know why aptitude is acting up?
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18:25<serge>problem is that i cann't type in my language
18:25<jrolland-iMac>Actually, the problem reoccurs when I try to use my CheapShells account
18:25<jrolland-iMac>It's just a shell provider
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18:26<azeem>so you run aptitude, and "gg" will make it uninstall gnome?
18:26<Joy>Error: shadow context; no update referral at /usr/share/perl5/ line 1056.
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18:26<Joy>why, why are you tormenting me
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18:26<jrolland-iMac>Yes, that appears to be the case
18:27<jrolland-iMac>After it finishes with that, it will get around to doing what I told it to do
18:27<azeem>jrolland-iMac: try to select gnome again, maybe that tells why it tries to remove it
18:27<jrolland-iMac>And there are two updates available for my computer that weren't there last night
18:28<azeem>those are probably security updates
18:29<jrolland-iMac>no luck; they are highlighted in purple if that helps
18:29<azeem>what is "they"?
18:29<jrolland-iMac>"They" are the things aptitude wants to remove
18:30<azeem>so if you try to select them, nothing happens?
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18:32<jrolland-iMac>Yiu mean, hit "+" when I am on them?
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18:33<azeem>yeah, I guess
18:33[~]azeem doesn't use aptitude
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18:35<jrolland-iMac>I'm trying hitting "+" on them, and they are de-highlighting
18:35<jrolland-iMac>Sometimes, it just takes a pair of fresh eyes that aren't panicking
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18:37<iamtravis>hello could somebody help me with this?
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18:40<jrolland-iMac>azeem: Thanks, everything appears fine now
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18:40<jrolland-iMac>Even Software Update has quit complaining
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18:41<jrolland-iMac>Oops, spoke too soon about SW Update
18:43<jrolland-iMac>It only wanted install a new version of Ice\Weasel
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18:51<none>hi, somebody know any formatter for NTFS to FAT32 in debian?
18:52<Myon>backup && restore
18:54<none>is the name of the standard formatter of debian?
18:54<none>when u install.. and create the swap.. and all else... how is that command?
18:54<none>for format the hdas partitions...
18:54<Joy>the common partition format is ext3, and for that you use mke2fs -j ...
18:55<Joy>the typical names for formatting programs are mkfs.<fstype>
18:55<Joy>so you'd be looking for a mkfs.ntfs and mkfs.vfat
18:55<Joy>notice that this is formatting (losing data)
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19:02<IRCMonkey>Hi, I am in front of a computer that doesn't want to start with kernel 2.6.22; here I am in ramfs; If I could have some help
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19:02<Zylvain>me too
19:02<IRCMonkey>I've got a pata disck
19:02<Zylvain>may I have some help too ?
19:03<IRCMonkey>of course
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19:05<Zylvain>help ! :)))
19:05<IRCMonkey>And it started fine with 2.2.18 :)
19:05<none>Joy: i need ur help man.. i have a ntfs partition, and i wish to format it to fat32 (lose the data, yes) how to can i?
19:05<none>because i don't have the debian cd now..
19:05<Joy>none: go to and look for a package that contains mkfs.vfat
19:05<Joy>then apt-get install that package
19:05<Joy>then run that program on your desired partition :)
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19:06<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: I've got the same
19:06<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: well organized you are
19:07<Joy>Zylvain: your root file system is one of those hda* devices or?
19:07<Zylvain>IRCMonkey, let's open a "initramfs bug" club
19:07<Zylvain>my root is hde
19:07<Zylvain>hde1, même
19:07<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: You are my friend
19:08<none>where can i modify the sources of apt?
19:08<Zylvain>it's a french bug :p
19:08<none>where's the list of sources of apt? the file...
19:08<Zylvain>none, /etc/apt/sources.list
19:08<IRCMonkey>let us passe under the french version will you
19:09<Zylvain>IRCMonkey, they don't know
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19:10<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: my one is slightly different : here is the last line before turning different : "hub 4-0:... 6 ports detectedDone"
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19:11<IRCMonkey>However it seem it don't want to mount my hda
19:11<iamtravis>does this mean that the alsaconf program is buggy?
19:11<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: had you got any clue
19:11<Zylvain>I have 2 machines
19:12<Zylvain>on the machine A, i have no bug at kernel 2.18, and systematic bug from kernel 2.19 and upper
19:12<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: me too,
19:12<interbird>Zylvain: You can try to repack the initramfs by hand using cpio
19:12<iamtravis>i tried playing a .ogg file with aplay as root and stuff.. there's a sigmatel stac9227 (oss mixer) detected in the gnome volume controls.. just no sound
19:12<Zylvain>on the machine B, I have random bug at kernel 2.18 (i have to reboot 3 times out of 4 !)
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19:13<george>I think I understand what you mean, nevertheless I'll just note there
19:13<Zylvain>and systematic bug at kernel 2.19 and upper
19:13<george>is no 2.18
19:13<george>there's a 2.6.18
19:13<Zylvain>random bug, means on 4 boots, I will stop 3 times on initramfs error
19:13<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: It's a "farce" as they say in France ...
19:13<george>btw, if 2.6.18 works why not stick with it?
19:13<Zylvain>2.6.18, yes, thanks george
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19:14<Zylvain>and on the 3rd or 4th or 5th boot, it will _finally_ boot normally on my hde1
19:15<Zylvain>interbird, I had used mkinitramfs, to rebuilt it, but no change
19:17<george>Zylvain which kernel does not boot?
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19:18<Zylvain>on machine A, 2.6.18 boots, 2.6.19 and upper doesn't
19:18<Zylvain>on machine B, 2.6.18 _sometimes_ boots, 2.6.19 and upper doesn't
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19:18<Zylvain>when they don't, it stops on initramfs shell
19:18<george>can we keep the names A and B?
19:19<george>for purpose of discussion that is
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19:19<Zylvain>screenshot are from machine B
19:19<Zylvain>When it doesn't boot :
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19:19<george>I'll take that as a yes :)
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19:20<Zylvain>george, lol
19:20<george>how do A and B compare hardwarewise, starting from the cpu and mobo\
19:20<Zylvain>When it finally pass over the "Waiting for root system" :
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19:20<Zylvain>etc .....
19:21<Zylvain>george, well, i don't know much about their hardware
19:21<Zylvain>i just know they are both Pentium2, 400MHz
19:21<george>do you have physical access to them?
19:21<Zylvain>but not the same hardware
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19:21<Zylvain>I'm on machine B right now
19:22<Zylvain>machine A is a web server
19:22<george>so I'd run a ram tester on B for about an hour or two
19:22<interbird>Zylvain: Looks like your init in the initramfs is run but the root cannot be found. You could extract the initramfs and put a exec /bin/sh as the first lines of the init and then repack the initramfs using cpio. This way you will get into a shell where you can diagnose further
19:22<Zylvain>ram tester, how to do ?
19:22<george>just to rule that out
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19:22<george>try apt-get install memtest86
19:23<george>as root@B
19:23<Zylvain>infernix, how to put a exec /bin/sh as the first lines of the init ?
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19:23<interbird>first make a /1 directory as root and copy the bad initrd there
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19:23<george>Zylvain: you can tell the kernel to run /bin/sh AS init
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19:24<Zylvain>in which file should i write this ?
19:24<george>as (part of) the "command line" of the kernel
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19:25<george>you could copy one of the boot stanzas in /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:25<interbird>Zylvain: enter init=/bin/sh as a kernel parameter in grub. use e in the grub menu to edit the kernel line
19:25<Zylvain>interbird, ok
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19:25<interbird>then escape and press b
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19:26<interbird>this will boot the modified entry and tun /bin/sh. you will be in the iniramfs then and there should be a /init
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19:28<Zylvain>and then, I should do what with that /init ?
19:28<dpkg>i guess init is the init daemon
19:28<Hideo_Kuze>you had to guess, dumb dpkg!
19:29<Zylvain>Grub -> e -> init=/bin/sh -> escape -> b -> shell dans initramfs
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19:29<valdyn>Zylvain: init is usually the first process started by the kernel. If you set init to /bin/sh then you get to a shell without log or anything else
19:29<george>Zylvain: if you tell the kernel: init=/some/where/theres/music
19:30<george>it will run music from the dir /some/where/theres
19:30<Zylvain>george, ok
19:30<george>as the first program outside the kernel
19:31<interbird>Your hde1 rootfs is changed for the initramfs root by the /init script. You could check if you can mount the hde1 in the initramfs
19:31<george>if you don't set init= on the kernel command line, it defaults
19:31<george>probably to init=/sbin/init
19:31<george>oh, wait, are we talking about two different things?
19:31<Zylvain>infernix, aahhhhhhh
19:32<interbird>george: with initramfs /init in the initramfs is run. this pivots the root and then does a /sbin/init somewhere
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19:32<george>does he need to delay the mounting of the root fs?
19:32<patricio>I dont mean to butt in....but.....are you saying that I can have my puter load certain music 'init=/some/where/theres/music' at boot?
19:32<Zylvain>one in the shell, I look if i can change initramfs to mount hde, somewhere in my /init files
19:33<Zylvain>right ?
19:33<Zylvain>-one +once
19:33<gpm>it certainly wouldn't be able to play the music
19:33<interbird>it does not get mounted by his initramfs. "waiting for root filesystem"
19:33<interbird>mkdir /1
19:33<interbird>mount /dev/hde1 /1
19:33<interbird>ls /1
19:33<interbird>does that work?
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19:34<george>patricio: nono, means it runs the -program- called music (in the dir /some/where/theres) AS IF it were the init program
19:34<Zylvain>interbird, i remember that I tried that under initramfs default shell (busybox)
19:34<patricio>george: ty
19:34<Zylvain>it answered, no /dev/hde
19:34<george>patricio: so you could do init=/bin/bash
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19:35<interbird>then the device-node is not created
19:35<gpm>but how does the kernel get started? grub does it or something?
19:35<Zylvain>interbird, yep
19:35<interbird>is this hde1 on a different ide-controller? like a promise or so ?
19:35<Zylvain>but sometimes it is created, and then my system boots correctly
19:35<Zylvain>once out of 3 or 4 times
19:35<interbird>lets make the device node by hand then
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19:36<interbird>does ls /dev/hd* show any devices?
19:36<Zylvain>i don't remember
19:36<george>patricio: and it would run bash (instead of init) in the same context/position/situation as normally init would run
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19:36<george>patricio: understant that too?
19:36<interbird>just do ls /dev/hd* in the initramfs environment you just booted into
19:36<patricio>george: yes I do.....ty
19:37<aguu>i have a problem
19:37<george>good enuf :) that's the whole thing behind that (other than possible applications)
19:37<aguu>when i install the latest lenny and i am going to install GRUB or LILO it shows a error
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19:38<Zylvain>anyone can boot, put the hand up
19:38<george>what error does it show
19:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
19:39<aguu>nothing oly says
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19:39<aguu>It cant complet this step:install LILO
19:39<aguu>and doesnt shows anything
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19:40<george>aguu: hmm... any idea why?
19:40<george>maybe the message says
19:40<lubos>how do I open directory in KDE via ssh?
19:41<interbird>Zylvain: mknod /dev/hde b 33 0
19:41<interbird>Zylvain: mknod /dev/hde1 b 33 1
19:41<interbird>this will make the nodes for the hde disk and the hde1 partition
19:41<gpm>lubos: well, you can run X apps and therefore, i guess, kde over ssh. then you just open folders like normal
19:41<petemc>sftp:// should work
19:41<interbird>no try again: mount /dev/hde1 /1
19:42<gpm>ooh that's what he means
19:42<petemc>isnt there something called fish?
19:42<gpm>sftp:// works in nautilus :/
19:42<aguu>i didnt have any problem installing GRUB in ubuntu but i wanted to install debian and i couldnt
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19:42<petemc>gpm: konqueror too, i think
19:42<george>aguu: you -could- try grub in debian
19:42<lubos>gpm: I remember that was a program for this. But I forgot the name. I do no have X running on remote host.
19:43<petemc>lubos: fish://
19:43<aguu> i enter to debian?
19:43<eldowan>sftp:// works in konqueror too, yes.
19:43<george>but knowing that may or may not solve your current problem
19:43<george>which I just now realize I have no idea what your current problem is :)
19:44<eldowan>petemc: why fish instead of sftp? I've always had shotty experience with fish. connection breaks and all that.
19:44<george>what are you running now
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19:44<aguu>for my disgrace windows
19:44<petemc>eldowan: i suggested both
19:44<george>hmm, you can't chroot from that
19:44<eldowan>petemc: ah, sorry: came into the convo late.
19:44<lubos>petemc: thanks man... its easier than I thought :-)
19:45<aguu>if i use a livecd?
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19:45<george>aguu: you could try that... but what if you were to try reinstalling and this time tell it install grub
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19:46<aguu>i reinstalled it three times or four times :S
19:46<george>aguu: 5th time is a charm :)
19:46<george>but seriously :)
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19:46<iamtravis> could anybody tell me what to do with this?
19:46<george>so it would never boot? or it woulnd't complete?
19:47<IRCMonkey>About my computer that don't want to find /dev/hda1, anyone any idea?
19:47<aguu>it completed but it doesnt shows any boot menu
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19:48<george>did it give you a choice of where to install the lilo?
19:48<kurumin>pessoal sou novato, e como de praxe, pouco sei
19:48<george>ok, where did you choose?
19:48<chealer>IRCMonkey: which Debian suite do you use?
19:48<kurumin>por favor perdoem alguma falha
19:49<aguu>the first two
19:49<DanDare>i installed apache and apache2 in etch. I must uninstall apache to have apache2 working correctly?
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19:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:49<IRCMonkey>chealer: lenny 2.6.22
19:49<kurumin>obrigado "dpkg
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19:49<IRCMonkey>chealer: it doesn't want to boot
19:50<aguu>the first is in /dev/ide
19:50<george>DanDare: not sure... I'd guess you could run each on a separate port
19:50<aguu>the second in /dev/hd6 i think
19:50<DanDare>ok george but i can just uninstall apache and left apache2 and start learning how to deal with it?
19:50<chealer>IRCMonkey: boot? so it's detected during the install?
19:51<DanDare>ok thanks you
19:51<IRCMonkey>chealer: i can boot under 2.6.18
19:51<IRCMonkey>chealer: but there is a problem with the later kernel
19:51<george>but if that doesn't work... then I'd say purge both and then install apache2
19:51<DanDare>theres any nice tutorial that you guys can recommend to me as apache2 introductory ?
19:51<aguu>hey george
19:51<aguu>maybe is my kernel?
19:51<DanDare>README.Apache2 dont tell too much :/
19:52<chealer>IRCMonkey: you mean you upgraded from etch to lenny?
19:52<george>aguu: yeah
19:52<aguu>i have choose 2.6.22
19:52<IRCMonkey>chealer: I was already under lenny, just a kernel upgrade
19:52<george>so you have an amd?
19:52<chealer>IRCMonkey: from what?
19:52<IRCMonkey>chealer: here i am in initramfs
19:52<aguu>athlon xp
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19:53<aguu>well i have only 13 years but im not stupid ;.
19:53<IRCMonkey>chealer: from lenny to lenny (update not upgrade, sorry)
19:53<george>aguu: I never ever said you were
19:53<aguu>only joking
19:54<aguu>any idea from where install grub?
19:54<george>often the old farts can make those kinds of mistakes... as someone who helps sometimes, one of the things I have to do is check for things like that...
19:55<george>you know, like "HEY my computer won't boot!!" "OK, do you have the power cord connected?"
19:55<IRCMonkey>chealer: It tells me waiting for foot file system, done, alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist
19:55<george>have to check for that stuff
19:56<aguu>george what do you think of this?
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19:56<chealer>IRCMonkey: from what kernel?
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19:57<george>aguu: it looks like it could help you to boot your system...
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19:58<IRCMonkey>chealer: I had kernel 2.6.18 with witch i stil can boot, but i can't boot with kernel 2.6.22
19:58<Zylvain>chealer, 2.6.18 upgraded to 2.6.19
19:58<aguu>IRCMonkey welcome to the club
19:59<Zylvain>IRCMonkey, can i pvt you ?
19:59<IRCMonkey>what a .. (I don't say)
19:59<Zylvain>i'm doing actually, si tu peux répondre
19:59<george>aguu: give it a try
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19:59<aguu>of what?
19:59<IRCMonkey>Zylvain: you can but will I find how to take it
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20:00<IRCMonkey>yea I found
20:00<aguu>auch that only restores grub in MBR but i dont have it instaled :S
20:00<chealer>IRCMonkey: so you didn't try 2.6.21?
20:02<Zylvain>chealer, same pb with 2.6.21
20:02<aguu>There isnt a grub installer?
20:02<IRCMonkey>chealer: You are right; My other kernel is 2.6.21; where was my head?
20:02<george>aguu: legacy grub is its own installer
20:02<aguu>i dont understand
20:03<george>but hold off on that, just try booting, NOT installing grub
20:03<george>how many partitions did you make for the linux
20:03<aguu>2 one for debian and another for SWAP
20:03<DanDare>sarge had php4, php5 or both like etch in the oficial packages?
20:04<george>aguu: ok, which partition is the one for debian?
20:04<IRCMonkey>chealer: I am on it for hours, an i was confusing
20:04<aguu>hd6 i think
20:05<george>hmm, so you're using logical partitions?
20:05<aguu>in the total system i have 3
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20:06<george>and your hd is what, an ide drive?
20:06<DanDare>will my php scripts (that ive made using php4), works in php5?
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20:06<george>ok, and which controller is it on? master? slave?
20:06<DanDare>its totally backward compatilbe?
20:07<aguu>is master, is the only hard disk that i have
20:07<george>ok, what are the jumper settings on the drive?
20:07<chealer>IRCMonkey: so 2.6.21 works?
20:08<george>so it's primary master?
20:08<chealer>DanDare: not necessarily/no (ask #php)
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20:08<george>ok, most times linux calls that hda
20:08<DanDare>ok chealer thanks
20:08<george>in grub, it
20:09<george>will probably call hda by another name, called hd0
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20:09<aguu>i think
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20:10<george>when you get into the grub shell, you can try:
20:10<george>root (hd0,5)
20:10<aguu>how do i enter to that?
20:10<george>kernel /boot/ (hit tab here)
20:10<george>then try bootingh
20:11<Zylvain><interbird> lets make the device node by hand then
20:11<george>not sure. it depends on this mega grub disk thing
20:11<Zylvain>interbird, how ? :)
20:11<george>but in grub language...
20:11<aguu>yeah but the grub isnt installed in the debian partition?
20:11<IRCMonkey>chealer: Yes it does fine
20:12<george>true. even so, it can boot your system probably
20:12<chealer>IRCMonkey: which Linux image is failing?
20:12<aguu>the partition is ext2
20:12<IRCMonkey>chealer: 2.6.22
20:12<george>once you're in that grub shell, you can lots of times use the tab key to complete
20:13<chealer>IRCMonkey: what's the package that provides that Linux image?
20:13<aguu>do i can try to install grub from the debian dvd?
20:13<interbird>Zylvain: Are you in the initfamfs environment ?
20:13<aguu>from a console?
20:14<Zylvain>infernix, no, but I will, what should I do then ?
20:14<george>once you're in debian..
20:14<Zylvain>interbird, no, but I will, what should I do then ?
20:14<Zylvain>interbird, if I have no hd*
20:14<george>btw, did you get the network going in debian?
20:14<Zylvain>can I scan my hardware for disks ?
20:15<interbird>Zylvain: mknod /dev/hde b 33 0
20:15<aguu>no have an ultrashit modem that i cant install from there
20:15<DanDare>I just installed apache2, while trying to run i got: "apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory"
20:15<interbird>Zylvain: mknod /dev/hde1 b 33 1
20:15<aguu>i have the drivers to install once i am at debian
20:15<IRCMonkey>chealer: linux-image.2.6.22-?-486
20:15<DanDare>but apache2 dont use an httpd.conf file as ive heard, how to do?
20:15<interbird>Zylvain: This will make the device-nodes for the disk hde and the partition hde1
20:15<george>drivers? for what?
20:16<aguu>for my modem
20:16<george>oh man
20:16<interbird>Zylvain: Then mkdir /1 and mount /dev/hde1 /1
20:16<aguu>yeah is a shit
20:16<aguu>but i can install it later
20:16<Zylvain>interbird, mknode, really ??? why can't do by itself ?
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20:16<Zylvain>interbird, ok i understand the following, to check whether it's really the disk
20:17<chealer>IRCMonkey: if I was you, I'd stick with 2.6.18 or 2.6.21 and try 2.6.23 once it's available.
20:17<george>ok, first you're going to have to learn enough about grub to piece together a boot
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20:17<interbird>Zylvain: Yes, to check if hde is accessable...
20:17<george>do you have two machines?
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20:17<Zylvain>chealer, IRCMonkey yes it's the solution I adopted so far ...
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20:17<Zylvain>interbird, ok thank you, I'll try that
20:17<IRCMonkey>chealer: you think it will be bette with 6.23
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20:18<IRCMonkey>chealer: you had informations about it?
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20:18<IRCMonkey>chealer: however that's probably what i will do
20:18<mike>can somebody help with aptitude on etch? After updating and trying to upgrade, aptitude wants to remove 560megs worth of programs. I canceled ;)
20:18<chealer>IRCMonkey: no, but it's not really worth it to debug the problem if it's already fixed in 2.6.23.
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20:19<dondelelcaro>mike: if you give us the full output, yes.
20:19<dondelelcaro>!tell mike -about ba
20:19<dondelelcaro>!tell mike -about bat
20:19<mike>It's quite a list ;)
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20:20<IRCMonkey>chealer: that's the thing...
20:20<Zylvain>interbird, I think that it detect my hde as "hda", then can't boot on hde (of course)
20:20<aguu>george do you think that i am able to install grub from a mandriva live cd?
20:20<IRCMonkey>chealer: and could I debug the stuff?
20:20<Zylvain>interbird, however, it detects hde and boot correctly once every 3 or 4 times
20:20<interbird>Zylvain: Do you know what controller hde is on?
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20:21<Zylvain>interbird, how to find it out ?
20:21<chealer>IRCMonkey: what do you mean?
20:21<mike>dondelelcaro: you want all this on the channel?
20:21<interbird>Zylvain: You could a kernel that works ang give the lspci command
20:21<IRCMonkey>chealer: I mean that i probably could not bebug it
20:22<aguu>or from a ubuntu live cd?
20:22<chealer>IRCMonkey: I should have written "try debugging"
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20:23<interbird>Zylvain: Also,it could be that one of the first disks hda, hdb fails and then hde shifts to hda making the root=/dev/hde1 kernel parameter invalid
20:23<IRCMonkey>chealer: I tried to debug it for hours and i'am tired of it
20:23<IRCMonkey>chealer: tried tired :)
20:23<Zylvain>interbird, 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
20:24<interbird>Zylvain: That looks like you primary IDE, is there another IDE listed in lspci?
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20:24<Zylvain>interbird, yes it could be a shift
20:24<Zylvain>interbird, no
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20:25<Zylvain>interbird, lshal gives : /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_0101J1FK925451
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20:26<Zylvain>storage.bus = 'ide'
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20:26<interbird>Zylvain: Normally 4 ide devices can be connected to an ide controller; hda,hdb,hdc,hdd so hde must be on a secondary ide-controller?
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20:26<dondelelcaro>mike: no. read what dpkg told you, and use a paste site
20:26<dondelelcaro>interbird: depends
20:27<interbird>dondelelcaro: please explain...
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20:28<Zylvain>interbird, yes it seems that when I boot, once every 4 times, it's detected as a hda, and fails the boot, and three times out of 4, it's detects as a hde, and boot correctly
20:28<Zylvain>interbird, so I may change my fstab to hda, to increase the success boot ... :)
20:28<mike>dondelelcaro: uploade to website :)
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20:29<mike>uploade > uploaded
20:29<Zylvain>interbird, anyway i will try, all what you explained
20:29<Zylvain>so see you, all
20:29<interbird>Zylvain: Also, try ide=nodma as a kernel parameter
20:30<george>interbird: well in fact 4 ide drives can be connected to -two- controllers
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20:30<Zylvain>interbird, ok
20:30<nexx__>hey guys i have a bit of a strange question for you's
20:30<nexx__>is it possible to change the path of the .. dir?
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20:30<interbird>george: that's true but Zylvain had only one ide controller listed in lspci
20:31<george>it's a hard link built into the dir which is made when the dir is made
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20:31<Zylvain>interbird, maybe one of my ide-controller has a bug in the hardware, and it puts the mess
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20:31<george>interbird: then probably he can only connect two drives
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20:33<nexx__>ok then i have a more loaded question for you, here is my problem, i have many files stored accross many hard drives, 6 i think in total, i have usb drives, sata drives and ide drives, and on each drive i have my files organized into different folders, say on hda1 i have movies and appz, while on hdb1 i have tv and porn, now i want to organize all these files in a single dir, so say /home/nexx/hub/<all folders across all drives>
20:33<nexx__>now i realize i cant mount all those drives into the same dir
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20:33<interbird>Zylvain: Try to see what fdisk -l says when a kernel boots. This will show disks with partitions
20:33<nexx__>so i was going to use symbolic links in that dir to point to those drives
20:34<nexx__>but when you do an "ls .." you would pop up into the dir that the drive is mounted in
20:34<nexx__>instead of going back to the /home/nexx/hub dir
20:34<Zylvain>interbird, fdisk -l says hde/hde1/hde2/hde3
20:34<mike>dondelelcaro, I also sent output of "aptitude update" if that helps.
20:35<nexx__>or sory when you do a "cd .." you would ...etc..
20:35<Zylvain>interbird, another thing, is that I would like not to crash my disk :)
20:35<nexx__>does any one understand my problem? hehe
20:35<interbird>Zylvain: And there is one HD in the system?
20:36<interbird>Zylvain: Is the jumper on the drive set correctly?
20:36<interbird>Zylvain: Right connector attached? (The last on the cable is for the first drive)
20:36<Zylvain>interbird, yes one HD, I don't know about the jumper
20:37<Zylvain>interbird, ok i'll check this also
20:37<interbird>Zylvain: If it's on CS (Cable Select) set it to Master and attach the last connector to the drive
20:38<Zylvain>interbird, ok
20:38[~]nexx__ puts his hand in the air
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20:38<NeXX>any one?
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20:40<Zylvain>what is the lightest IRC client in shell mode ?
20:40<interbird>NeXX: You could try mount --bind instead of softlinking
20:40<Zylvain>i want to install one, because XChat is not convenient
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20:40<george>NeXX: there's more than one way to approach what you're doing... maybe the thing to do is have a symlink that points at this hubby place
20:40<aguu>im bacj
20:40<george>so what happened?
20:40<NeXX>mount --bind eh, i'll look into that
20:41<aguu>i tested in ubuntu livecd but it didnt worker
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20:41<aguu>i see a lot of grub for windows do that work?
20:42<NeXX>george, /home/nexx/hub would be a hard linke, and then in hub i would have symlinks to the folders on the different drives that i would have mounted in a different dir, say /home/nexx/drive1, /home/nexx/drive2, and then the symlink in hub would point to /home/nexx/drive1/folder1 etc..
20:42<interbird>mount --bind works like mounting filesystems but now it uses directories as the source. You'll have to enter the mount --bind commands into /etc/fstab to get them mounted at boot.
20:42<NeXX>ok, so i can do mount --bind /dev/hda1/folder ??
20:43<george>aguu, that part of this is a ubuntu thing and I don't know how to go about helping with that part
20:43<NeXX>that would work perfectly
20:43<NeXX>thanks guys
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20:44<george>(2) saying "it didn't work" is useless without saying what "it" is and also saying what and how it "didn't work"
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20:47<interbird>NeXX: It's like mount --bind /deep/path/with/music /all/music
20:47<interbird>NeXX: And then: mount --bind /deep/path/with/movies /all/movies
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20:49<NeXX>thanks interbird, trying it right now
20:49<george>I'm looking to find others with a nvidia C51 sound chipset, maybe on the same mobo I got, which is an Asus m2nPV-VM
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20:50<NeXX>ahh yeah thats exactly what i wanted
20:50<NeXX>you guys rule
20:51<george>reason, I tried a driver snd_hda_intel and it mixes a very painful high-pitch and high-volume tone with everything it plays
20:51<interbird>Nexx: On next reboot the --bind mounts will be gone unless you put them in /etc/fstab
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20:52<aguu>my stupid inet just disconnected
20:52<george>do you have dsl? or what?
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20:52<mike>dondelelcaro: anything else, or did I do something wrong?
20:53<dondelelcaro>mike: you have to tell the channel the url of your paste
20:53<dondelelcaro>we won't know it otherwise
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20:53<NeXX>interbird: can i edit fstab dir? or do i need to use an app?
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20:53<dpkg>To correct loud monotones on the ASUS M2NPV-VM motherboard, supply "position_fix=1 model=3stack" as options to the snd-hda-intel module (eg. edit /etc/modprobe.d/sound, include "options snd-hda-intel index=0 position_fix=1 model=3stack").
20:53<gsimmons_>george: ^^^^^
20:54<mike>this one:
20:54<george>known issue!!
20:54<interbird>Nexx: as root: nano /etc/fstab
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20:55<NeXX>groovy, i think i'll use pico tho, i get confused with nano :)
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20:56<dondelelcaro>mike: that's just the site; when you pasted it, it gives you an url. give it to us.
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20:58<mike>dondelelcaro: I did something wrong..I didn't get a url, but my name is on the right hand column.
20:58<dondelelcaro>mike: the url is; but you probably want something like aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core gnome-games totem; etc.
20:58<NeXX>oh wow, im going to have to do a whole new sort of organization now, this mount --bind just made life a whole lot easier
20:59<mike> and
20:59[~]NeXX gives thanks all around
20:59<dondelelcaro>mike: if you use the curses interface, and hit m on the packages that you know you want to keep, then the others will be kept as well
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21:00<mike>dondelelcaro: do that to all packages? I've never had to do that before.
21:01<interbird>NeXX: fstab syntax: /deep/path/with/music /all/music auto bind 0 0
21:02<dondelelcaro>mike: only to the ones that you know you want to use
21:03<dondelelcaro>mike: and the reason why you have to do it is because those packages were originally installed by something that has since been removed
21:03<mike>dondelelcaro: ok, I understand ( I think). Here is another one:
21:04<dondelelcaro>mike: best to just open up the curses interface and do it there.
21:06<NeXX>interbird: should i put a ',' inbetween auto and bind?
21:06<interbird>no, auto is the fs and bind is the option
21:06<NeXX>ahh i see
21:06<george>gsimmons_: will test that momentarily... do you know someone with that mobo besides me?
21:07<DanDare>wich package i must install to have Zlib functionality enabled within my PHP installation?
21:07<DanDare>im searching for using apt-cache but cant find it
21:07<dondelelcaro>DanDare: it's in the base packages already
21:07<NeXX>interbird: if i want to change my swap partition to something other than i installed debian with, can i just change it in the fstab? or is there anouther file i should edit?
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21:08<interbird>NeXX: You have an other empty partition you want to use as swap ?
21:08<gsimmons_>george: There was another user (with an issue regarding this board), but it was unrelated to sound. I am aware that there's a rather recent (~Oct 18, IIRC) BIOS update available.
21:08<DanDare>dondelelcaro, the package must be called something like php-zlib or something like this/
21:08<dondelelcaro>DanDare: no, it's not
21:09<NeXX>no i have anouther partition set up on a different drive already formated for swap, but so far i've been doing swap off swap on after boot type of thing
21:09<dondelelcaro>(well, it would be called php5-zlib if it was separated out, but it's not)
21:09<DanDare>well, ok
21:09<NeXX>the original swap partitions has been deleted already :P
21:09<george>gsimmons_: how can I find out what the update covers? happen to know anything yourself?
21:09<DanDare>some clue to how to have zlib enabled within PHP ?
21:09<interbird>NeXX: If the partition on the other drive is already used as swapthen a change in /etc/fstab is enough
21:10<NeXX>awsome thanks
21:10<mike>dondelelcaro: aptitude installed some gnome packages to satisfy dependencies and now all is well!
21:10<gsimmons_>george: Sorry, wouldn't know. See if there's any release notes/README within the update file, else you'll need to ask ASUS.
21:10<george>ok, thanks
21:11<dondelelcaro>DanDare: if you mean the zlib output compression, it's just zlib.output_compression = On in your php.ini
21:11<george>very definitely appreciate the headsup, and I have the module loaded with the new params
21:11<DanDare>dondelelcaro, thanks. Sorry about some ignorance here
21:11<interbird>NeXX: On next reboot you can do a: mount -l to see al your mounts
21:11<george>what to test it on...
21:11<iamtravis>hello, does anybody with a nforce 610i sli motherboard or a variant of that have any hints on getting alsa working? for the onboard sound
21:12<iamtravis>i tried getting help from #alsa #lad #linux #nvidia so far :-/ and the only google related i could find was in french
21:12<interbird>NeXX: If your --bind mounts are not mounted the change the line in /etc/fstab to: /deep/path/with/music /all/music auto auto,bind 0 0
21:12<NeXX>wow i really hope i dont fubar my system with all these changes..
21:12[~]NeXX is going all out
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21:13<NeXX>interbird: do you mind if i put my fstab on pastebin and have you take a look just to make sure?
21:13<NeXX>once im done
21:13<NeXX>cool, i'll be a few more min tho, im commenting and the whole shebang
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21:14<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Can you provide the output of `lspci' at a paste site?
21:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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21:15<george>gsimmons_: excellent. the tone is gone, and the music remains :)
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21:15<gsimmons_>george: Ah, good to hear.
21:15<gsimmons_>Uh, no pun intended.
21:16<iamtravis> here it is
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21:18<aguu>im back -again-
21:19<NeXX>interbird: so i have to have one entry for the drive itself, say something like "/dev/hde1 /home/nexx/drives/drive1 auto none 0 0" and then anouther line for the files in the form you said?
21:19<aguu>and still i can :S
21:21<interbird>NeXX: Paste your /etc/fstab with what you think and i'll look at it
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21:22<NeXX>:) ok
21:22<aguu>a little question do i need to put any special line before start the installation?
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21:23<mike>Thanks dondelelcaro, I really appreciate your help and learning some new things :)
21:23<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Your onboard soundcard should be supported by the snd-hda-intel module, AFAICT. Have you installed ALSA?
21:24<iamtravis>alsaconf works.. and i'm not sure how to query a package's installation or not
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21:24<Zylvain>hi i'm back :)
21:24<iamtravis>yeah.. it says alsa-base is installed with apt-get install alsa
21:25<gsimmons_>iamtravis: If alsaconf works, you're fine. See if snd-hda-intel is loaded via 'lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel'.
21:25<Zylvain>interbird, george, init=/bin/sh sets a read-only /
21:25<Zylvain>so impossible to mkdir later
21:25[~]mike is out of here. bye all.
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21:25<Zylvain>but anyway, the point is :
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21:25<aguu>do i can install grub from windows?
21:26<Zylvain>my initramfs is creating hda OR hde node, for my (single) harddrive
21:26<iamtravis>it doesn't give any output.. i just ran the alsaconf again and got the same set of invalid arguement errors after the gui finished askin me questions
21:26<interbird>Zylvain: mount -o,remount,rw /
21:26<gsimmons_>iamtravis: I'm sorry, that should have been 'lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel'.
21:26<Zylvain>so if i setup the boot on hda, as it boots on hda, it works !
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21:27<Zylvain>but, later on, if it randomly choose hde for node, it will not find it, since looking for booting on hda
21:27<iamtravis>yeah that gives 5 lines of output
21:27<Zylvain>so my question turns to be :
21:28<Zylvain>how to force the initram to create node hda for my disk (and not randomly hda or hde)
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21:28<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Check that your sound card's levels are raised and un-muted (alsamixer).
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21:29<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:29<interbird>iamtravis: a way to see if a package is installed is: dpkg --list | grep -i packagename
21:29<Zylvain>because it's much easier to boot on a hdX, when you know it will be hdX and not hdY ...
21:29<interbird>Zylan: The real question is why it is sometimes hda and sometimes hde
21:30<Zylvain>interbird, yes, i really don't know why it's so random
21:30<iamtravis>ok.. i put those 3 steps in another pastebin.. this is what i get when i try to run these commands
21:30<interbird>Zylvain: Did you try ide=nodma kernelparameter?
21:30<NeXX>interbird: ^^
21:30<Zylvain>interbird, yes, no change
21:31<iamtravis>ty interbird, i'll note that down
21:31<interbird>Zylvian: jumpers and cables correct?
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21:32<Zylvain>interbird, yes, it's hd master, end of the cable
21:32<Zylvain>but i have noticed that the bios does not detect ide drives
21:32<Zylvain>interbird, i'm too tired
21:32<Zylvain>i'll go on tomorrow if i have time
21:32<Zylvain>interbird, thanks for your help
21:33<interbird>Zylvian: Well, like someone said before, if it is solved in a new kernel version, why not use that one?
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21:34<NeXX>interbird: did you see the post?
21:34<interbird>NeXX: checking...
21:34<Zylvain>interbird, what is the previous version than 2.6.18 ?
21:34<Zylvain>i would like to reinstall that one, it was working good
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21:34<Zylvain>2.6.18 is half bugged on initramfs
21:34<ubuntu>I have ubuntu loaded, but it's via cd. How do I get it on to disk
21:35<gsimmons_>iamtravis: What brand/model is your motherboard?
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21:35<Zylvain>ubuntu, once the livecd run, you click on the install icon on the ubuntu desktop
21:35<gravity>foxjazz: You should ask that in #ubuntu
21:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
21:35<iamtravis>i think it's the nforce 610i sli from nvidia, but i'm not sure.. it's a dell xps 720 system
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21:36<interbird>NeXX: looking goodbut maybe you should change none to defaults in the main drive mounts
21:36<NeXX>thanks dude, you rock
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21:36<iamtravis>they gave me a free motherboard upgrade to one that can handle the quad core cpu's, and searching on google that's what i came up with :)
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21:38<NeXX> last thing, is there a way to remount the fstab without rebooting? or does that not make any sence?
21:38<interbird>mount -a
21:38<DanDare>hmm. i just installed MySQL on etch but it doesnt allow me to log as 'root'. What´s the initial user i must use to start?
21:39<iamtravis>ah my bad A new nForce 680i SLI mainboard
21:39<interbird>Also, logging in under another than nexx on your machine might not be able to access the mount in the /home/nexx dir
21:40<interbird>Normally stuff is mounted in /mnt
21:40<NeXX>im the only one logging in any ways, every one else can go to hell :P
21:41<interbird>So, better would be to mount the /dev/hde[f] and sd* partitions on /mnt/... and then bind /mnt/... to the "all" mount-points in your homedir
21:41<NeXX>i'll chmod for read for every one else tho just in case i decide to load up an ftpd
21:42<NeXX>but i'll get into that anouther day
21:42<DanDare>ok... its 'root' without any password ... :/
21:42<interbird>that's also a solution but my security-bit get's itchy though...
21:44<NeXX>hmm, maybe a different way would be to mount all the drives in /mnt and then do the binds to my home dir, and then create a different user say ftpd and create the exact same structure in his home dir and then start up the ftpd for user ftpd?
21:45<NeXX>and chroot him in /home/ftpd/root ?
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21:45<NeXX>or /home/ftpd/hub or what ever i deside to call the dir
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21:47<NeXX>i have never run and ftpd on linux before tho so im not sure if that would work or not
21:48<interbird>NeXX: There are more ways to setup an ftp-server. General rules are: put the ftp-user in a jail, use the minimum access rights and readup on mount with respect to other options valid with --bind, like --user=ftp etc
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21:48<aguu>george are you still there?
21:48<NeXX>ok, i'll do that all a different day tho, this is enough for now
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21:49<bongo_>how can i fix the resolution of my monitor
21:50<interbird>bongo_: can you be more specific ?
21:50<bongo_>interbird: i only have the option for 1024 x 768
21:50<aguu>well anyway why i cant install grub or lilo???
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21:50<bongo_>interbird: i im not sure if i can get a better resolution with debian
21:51<bongo_>interbird: maybe i haven't installed a packet or something like it
21:51<aguu>did you configure it when you installed the x?
21:51<interbird>bongo_: as root: cp -a /etc/xorg.conf /etc/xorg.conf.1024
21:51<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/modprobe.d/sound file.
21:51<aguu>why i cant install grub or lilo???
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21:52<aguu>in the debianinstaller
21:52<interbird>bongo_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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21:52<bongo_>interbird: i don't have that directory xorg.conf
21:52<aguu>why i cant install grub or lilo???
21:52<bongo_>or file what ever
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21:53<interbird>bongo_: as root: cp -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1024
21:53<bongo_>lol nvm
21:53<interbird>sorry, was a typo
21:54<aguu>why i cant install grub or lilo???
21:54<iamtravis>here it is
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21:54<bongo_>interbird: what controller should i choose?
21:55<interbird>bongo_: the one you have; the videocard you have
21:55<aguu>why i cant install grub or lilo???
21:55<bongo_>interbird: i don't have a dedicated video card
21:55<bongo_>interbird: just shared memory thought
21:56<DanDare>aguu, its a question that i made to you: Why cant you install gryb or lilo?
21:56<aguu>because in the instaler says only that
21:56<aguu>no more details
21:56<interbird>bongo_: what does lspci say about your video card?
21:57<aguu>in lilo says
21:57<aguu>LILO cant be installed in /target/
21:57<bongo_>interbird: mmm something like inter corporation 82845G/GL
21:57<DanDare>aguu, its the right device pointed by lilo or grub?
21:57<bongo_>interbird: not sure
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21:57<DanDare>like hda or hd0 ?
21:58<aguu>yeah hda
21:58<aguu>it says
21:58<DanDare>aguu, so you pointed to /dev/hda when lilo or grub asked?
21:58<interbird>bongo_: That's an Intel 845 and should be in the list
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21:58<aguu>lilo no
21:58<aguu>it says 3 options
21:58<DanDare>aguu, it must be /dev/hda when asks
21:59<bongo_>interbird: it is not
21:59<interbird>aguu: you can install grub manually
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21:59<interbird>bongo_: Then choose vesa
21:59<bongo_>interbird: the closest is i 810
21:59<bongo_>interbird: ko
21:59<aguu>1 /dev/ide:MBR 2 /dev/hda6:new debian partition
21:59<interbird>bongo_: Is there an 865
21:59<aguu>interbird how?
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21:59<bongo_>interbird: i choosed vesa
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22:00<bongo_>interbird: why is asking ofr bus identifier if i dont actually have a video card?
22:00<interbird>bongo_: i just thought that if there was an Intel 865 this would 845 too, so lets run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again
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22:01<aguu>interbird how do you install grub manually?
22:01<interbird>bongo_: just press enter and restart the dpkg-reconfigure command
22:01<interbird>aguu: can you install from a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu ?
22:02<bongo_>interbird: ok done
22:02<aguu>do i enter to the grub shell and type install?
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22:02<DanDare>aguu, do you have some HDD installed as master on the first IDE interface?
22:02<interbird>bongo_: you choose 865 now?
22:02<bongo_>interbird: it doesn't appears that option
22:03<DanDare>aguu. it may work if you type "/dev/hda" when lilo or grub asks where you want to record
22:03<foxjazz>hmmm install doens't want to play
22:03<DanDare>aguu, i dont know if this will destroy your other OS initialization tought
22:03<interbird>bongo_: let me check, 1 moment...
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22:03<bongo_>interbird: ok
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22:03<aguu>i already did that
22:04<DanDare>and it says that cant record MBR that way?
22:04<interbird>bongo_: below the i810 there should be intel
22:04<DanDare>sorry but i have no more clue
22:04<aguu>yeah in /dev/ide
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22:05<DanDare>aguu, try "/dev/hda" not "/dev/ide"
22:05<bongo_>interbird: below i810 is imstt
22:05<interbird>aguu: on what partition is you grub installation? thus, where is the /boot directory ? on what drive and partition?
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22:05<george>I'm looking for a way of taking anything that would normqlly be output thru alsa to speakers thru a card driver and instead send it over the network to either an alsa on another machine or a jack -> alsa on another machine...
22:05<aguu>i have all in hda
22:05<interbird>bongo_: and below imstt is intel, yes?
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22:06<bongo_>interbird: mga
22:06<aguu>boot directory in /
22:06<interbird>bongo_: no intel in the list?
22:06<bongo_>interbird: no intel
22:06<interbird>bongo_: no i8xx number? (xx = any)
22:07<ameyer>or i9xx
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22:07<bongo_>interbird: no just i 810
22:07<aguu>i havent installed grub because i cant
22:07<interbird>aguu: does cat /boot/grub/menu.lst show?
22:07<george>does jack have a network plugin of some sort? does alda?
22:08<bongo_>interbird: maybe i haven't installed some packets
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22:08<interbird>bongo_: open another root terminal
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22:09<george>aguu: you're going to have to do some reading and understanding of the tech details behind grub, and within grub
22:09<interbird>bongo_: modprobe i915
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22:10<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:10<bongo_>interbird: nothing happened
22:10<interbird>bongo_: is there an i915 in the list?
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22:11<bongo_>interbird: should i restart the command?, 'cause it is not listed in this moment
22:11<george>sorry but don't have time to search for you right now
22:11<george>but the man page and the info pages come to mind
22:11<interbird>bongo_: no, were going to take another route
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22:11<interbird>bongo_: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:11<aguu>i am at the official manual
22:11<bongo_>interbird: ok
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22:12<bongo_>interbird: btw im not familiar with this text editor
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22:12<interbird>bongo_: Use page-down to scroll and look for section "Device"
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22:12<bongo_>interbird: ko
22:13<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:13<interbird>bongo_: Tell me what the line with Driver says
22:13<bongo_>interbird: section inputdevice?
22:13<aguu>i think that i understant how to install it
22:13<interbird>bongo_: No, section Device
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22:14<bongo_>interbird: "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Inte$
22:14<bongo_>interbird: "i810"
22:14<interbird>bongo_: ok
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22:14<bongo_>interbird: "pci:0:2:0"
22:14<interbird>bongo_: You see the resolutions above ?
22:15<aguu>i will start to download it
22:15<bongo_>interbird: yes i do
22:15<interbird>bongo_: What is the most left resolution ?
22:15<bongo_>interbird: 1024 x 768
22:16<aguu>what about this?
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22:16<interbird>bongo_: Put this in front of every resolution line: "1152x864" and don't forget the seperating space
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22:19<aguu>well bye bye
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22:19<interbird>bongo_: Then Control-X then Y and Enter to save the file
22:19<gsimmons_>iamtravis: What does "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec" return for you?
22:20<iamtravis>gsimmons_ : it returns Codec: SigmaTel STAC9227
22:20<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:21<bongo_>interbird: done
22:21<interbird>bongo_: just reboot the machine OR restart X
22:21<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Right. This codec isn't suppored by ALSA's snd-hda-intel module in the 2.6.18 kernel, which explains your current difficulty. It's supported in 2.6.22.
22:21<bongo_>i'll restart x
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22:23<gsimmons_>iamtravis: It's used in Dell's XPS-710 and XPS-720 models, possibly others.
22:23<iamtravis>ah, so I'll have to upgrade then to get it working
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22:25<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Yep, but you should only need to upgrade the kernel, you can remain on Etch. The 2.6.22 kernel package from should assist (ask dpkg about '').
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22:25<bongo_>interbird: nothing happened
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22:26<interbird>bongo_: maybe you need the package 915resolution
22:26<interbird>bongo_: as root: apt-get install 915resolution
22:26<bongo_>interbird: ok
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22:27<bongo_>interbird: ok done
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22:28<iamtravis>alright.. thanks for all the help, another project for another day
22:28<interbird>bongo_: /etc/init.d/915resolution restart
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22:28<interbird>bongo_: restart X
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22:31<bongo_>nothing :(:(
22:31<interbird>bongo_: can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg ?
22:32<bongo_>interbird: for restarting x ctrl + alt +backspace
22:32<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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22:33<Jordan_U>What would cause apt to not think that a package is not available, when it is available in the repositories ( yes, my sources.list is configured correctly and I can install other packages )
22:33<Jordan_U>apt-cache policy shows no installation candidate
22:34<gsimmons_>Jordan_U: Which package?
22:34<Jordan_U>gsimmons_, dpkg, apt and some other important packages :)
22:34<Jordan_U>apt can't find itself :)
22:34<george>Jordan_U: tautology: to not think a package is not available === to think a package is available
22:35<Jordan_U>I can install them if I download the .deb files manually though
22:35<interbird>bongo_: the last resolution line has a duplicate 1024 resolution, remove one
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22:35<Jordan_U>george, Sorry, I edited mid sentence, apt thinks that the package is not available
22:35<george>hmm, actually I wonder if there are edge cases in that
22:35<bongo_>interbird: ok done
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22:36<george>Jordan_U: maybe it's in a different section, or different version of debian
22:36<bongo_>interbird: should i restart x?
22:36<interbird>bongo_: cp -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.1152
22:36<george>like contrib or non-free
22:36<Jordan_U>george, dpkg? :)
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22:37<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:37<Jordan_U>george, I doubt that dpkg or apt are in contrib or non-free :)
22:37<interbird>bongo_: now do a complete reboot
22:37<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:38<DanDare>what the hell is pdflush
22:38<DanDare>running as service on etch?
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22:38<george>Jordan_U: hmm, says it's not available? check your sources.list
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22:39<Jordan_U>george, My sources.list is correct ( checked MANY times ) and I can install other packages
22:39<george>why can't you install (for example) dpkg?
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22:40<Jordan_U>george, That is what I am wondering :)
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22:41<Jordan_U>george, If I download the .deb I can install / update dpkg and apt just fine, so it's not a dependency or other related problem
22:42<Jordan_U>george, And like I said, I cann install many other packages in main
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22:42<bongo_>interbird: i just did the reboot
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22:45<eldowan>aptitude upgrade and dist-upgrade both show that I cannot upgrade, dist-upgrade gives a long list of unmet dependencies. I haven't upgraded since well before lenny went stable. Where should I start?
22:45<interbird>bongo_: apt-get install xwininfo
22:45<bongo_>interbird: ok
22:45<datura>hello, doesanyone know a monitor settings adjustment program?
22:46<interbird>bongo_: apt-get install xvinfo
22:46<eldowan>datura: xrandr ?
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22:46<datura>um, i will try it.
22:47<eldowan>datura: sorry, not it.
22:47<datura>thank you,,, oh
22:47<eldowan>datura: lets try again. It *may* be what you are looking for.
22:47<bongo_>interbird: couldn't find the packet
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22:47<interbird>bongo_: open a terminal and run xwininfo and click an empty place on the desktop
22:47<datura>so i should check it out, ok
22:48<datura>(checkin it out...)
22:48<bongo_>interbird: ok done
22:48<eldowan>datura: Xrandr is used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection
22:48<interbird>bongo_: then see what it says the resolution is
22:48<bongo_>interbird: width 1024 height 768 depth 24
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22:49<Jordan_U>Strange, dpkg and apt are listed in "apt-cache dumpavail"
22:49<Jordan_U>Where does apt store its list of available packages?
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22:52<interbird>bongo_: lsmod | grep -i 810
22:53|-|mode/#debian [+l 312] by debhelper
22:53<interbird>bongo_: Is this a laptop ?
22:53<bongo_>interbird: no is not
22:53<datura>eldowan, do you know if xrandr can adjust 'pincussion' or 'trapizoid',,, stuff like that? I got the package already but from reading the man it seems it doesn't have these types of adjustment capabilites,,, thank you for saving me some time...
22:53<bongo_>interbird: a desktop actually
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22:54<bongo_>interbird: no result
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22:54<Jordan_U>datura, Thost things are normally dealt with in the monitor's preferences, I've never heard of it being done with software ( except on macs )
22:55<eldowan>datura: I'm not aware of that. If you are using a CRT (Like an old tv type of display) the monitor should have those controls. If you have an LCD, it shouldn't be an issue.
22:55<datura>heheh i got a 1999 imac...
22:56<datura>this is my Situation
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22:56<Jordan_U>datura, That could be interesting then :)
22:56<datura>i think i'll just google
22:56<datura>:) yeah
22:56<datura>thank you though
22:57<Jordan_U>eldowan, The old imacs don't have controlls because the monitor "is" the computer, and since Apple makes the hardware they can integrate options for the monitor into OS X
22:57<bongo_>interbird: freebsd?
22:58<eldowan>Jordan_U: Aahhh, The closest I've come to a recent mac is the Apple ][
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22:59<chris_>few live cd dists work ok on my MBP
22:59<Jordan_U>datura, If there is no way to do it in Linux, since such a utility would be only needed for that one unique piece of hardware, there is a chance that you can change it in Open Firmware
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23:00<interbird>bongo_: just a thread about the chipset itself. seems there are more problems getting the 845 into a higher resolution
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23:00<bongo_>interbird: mmm hehe that means i wont be able to change resolution
23:01<bongo_>interbird: that's pretty sad
23:02<Jordan_U>bongo_, If you hold down option at boot is the screen eith bootable drive icons that comes up full resolution?
23:03<datura>Jordan_U, yeah that would work,,, i'm still new but learning. you are talking about editing my firmware using an texteditor right?
23:03<interbird>bongo_: These are the specs for your monitor?
23:04<bongo_>interbird: thats actually my monitor
23:04<bongo_>interbird: mmmm not sure
23:05<bongo_>interbird: with windows i had a higher resolution i thought
23:05<Jordan_U>datura, No, PPC macs use Open Firmware instead of BIOS, and it is much more powerfull than BIOS, if you boot holding command + "O"+"F" you will get to an Open Firmware prompt
23:05<interbird>bongo_: You could try the 1280x1024 or 1280x960 resolutions instead-of 1152x864; maybe the 845 is not capable of 1152
23:06<datura>o thats easy
23:06<Jordan_U>datura, No, it's far from easy...
23:06<bongo_>interbird: changing that on xorg.confg?
23:06<bongo_>Jordan_U: didn't really get it
23:06<Jordan_U>datura, That just gets you to a terminal , what you do there gets interesting :)
23:06<datura>oh, so no pretty program adjusting these settings,,,
23:06<interbird>bongo_: So, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf again and change "1152x864" to "1280x1024" everywhere
23:07<datura>ok, you have my attention
23:07<bongo_>interbird: ok, i'll try it out
23:07<Jordan_U>datura, Exactly, and it may not be possible through Open Firmware at all, it's just a hunch
23:07<interbird>bongo_: then /etc/init.d/915resolution restart and then restart X
23:08<datura>do you know the commands to use? if not i dont mind going thru man pages
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23:08<datura>Open Firmware,,, thats really neat
23:09<chealer>eldowan: I suppose you mean etch? which suite do you want to upgrade to?
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23:10<interbird>bongo_: if that does not work either, change DefaultDepth from 24 to 16 in the Screen section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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23:10<eldowan>chealer: actually jelly-home on freenode let me know that I hadn't ever changed the sources.list to reflect testing, only etch by name. Which, understandibly, wouldn't let me upgrade many of the packages to lenny...
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23:10<bongo_>interbird: it worked!!!
23:10<eldowan>chealer: and yes, I meant etch.
23:11<interbird>bongo_: okidoki :-)
23:11<Jordan_U>datura, I don't even know if the commands to change monitor geometry exist in Open Firmware, all I can do from here is google :)
23:11<bongo_>interbird: thank you so much
23:11<bongo_>interbird: btw what was happen?
23:11<bongo_>interbird: not sure what was the 915 resolution packet
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23:12<interbird>bongo: 845 does not understand 1152x864 but 915resolution might be needed
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23:13<datura>ok well youve been a big help. If this doesn't work then at least i get to check it out. My screen isn't terible either, just noticable. thanks, have a good night
23:13<interbird>bongo: also 1280x1024 no 1:1.333 aspect ratio so a circle will be flatter; 1280x960 has same aspect-ratio as 1024x768
23:13<Jordan_U>Where does apt store its list of available packages?
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23:14<bongo_>interbird: sorry i closed the window
23:14<interbird>bongo: also 1280x1024 has no 1:1.333 aspect ratio so a circle will be flatter; 1280x960 has same aspect-ratio as 1024x768
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23:14<ameyer>interbird: actually, in my experience, 1024x768 looks bad on a 1280x1024 monitor
23:15<eldowan>ameyer: crt too?
23:15<interbird>bongo: could be, to see is to know...
23:15<ameyer>like, the monitor scales it to fit all 1280x1024 pixels, and the results aren't pretty
23:15<ameyer>eldowan: lcd
23:15<bongo_>interbird: i could just add 12800 * 960 and try it out?
23:16<ameyer>my old crt couldn't display 1024x768 in any sane way
23:16<chealer>eldowan: I don't understand, but you should start by upgrading to Etch.
23:16<ameyer>and anything below 1280x1024 got squashed in a weird way at the right edge
23:16<interbird>bongo: yes, but place it to the right of the 1280x1024 resolution, then Ctrl-Alt+ and Ctrl-Alt-- in X will change resolutions on-the-fly
23:17<ameyer>the thing was a piece of dying junk
23:17<interbird>bongo: so, xorg.conf reads: "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" ......
23:17<chealer>Jordan_U: /var/lib/apt/lists/
23:17<ameyer>bongo_: 12800x968 might be bad
23:17<bongo_>interbird: ok: i'll try it out, but you didnt tell me what was happen?, what was that 915 resolution packet?
23:18<bongo_>ameyer: why is that?
23:18<eldowan>chealer: sorry I should expand. I was confused I couldn't upgrade from etch -> lenny because I've always used testing in my sources.list . Apparently I was using etch instead and couldn't upgrade to lenny. I was pointed in the correct direction, and now am running smoothly. I had been using etch on this pc for a year or so, and forgot to update my sources.list.
23:18<ameyer>y'know, 40:3 aspect ratios wouldn't work well on any current monitor
23:18<chealer>eldowan: OK
23:18<interbird>bongo: seems i845 did not understand the 1152x864 resolution; 915resolution might be needed though. It does no harm.
23:19<ameyer>I guess you could rig 10 4x3 monitors to do it
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23:19<bongo_>ameyer: not sure what are those numbers: "40:3" ratio
23:20<ameyer>basiically, for every 40 horizontal pixels there are 3 vertical pixels
23:20<eldowan>bongo_: x:y ratio 10x5 would be 2:1 1024x768 is something like 1...333:1 and 12800:968 is like 40:3
23:20<interbird>bongo: 915resolution enables some "hidden" resolutions sometime present but not detected in Intel video chipsets
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23:20<Jordan_U>chealer, Any idea why a package that is listed in /var/lib/apt/lists would not be seen as available by apt?
23:20<ameyer>bongo_: you put one too many zeros on 1280
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23:21<bongo_>ameyer: ohhh ok
23:21<ameyer>1280x968 not 12800x968
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23:22<interbird>aspect-ratio is x:y thus 1024/768 is 1.333333333 which is the same aspect-ratio as a pixel
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23:22<interbird>on a 1.333 monitor...
23:22<bongo_>ohh ok, i get it
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23:23<interbird>1280/960 = 1.333333 too
23:23<bongo_>i think i'll restart x, didn't recognize de 1024x968
23:23<bongo_>i mean
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23:24<bongo_>ohh ok
23:24<eldowan>Is there a way to have the text mode use a 1:1 pixled box instead of scaling to the whole screen?
23:24<interbird>like what i said: xorg.conf reads: "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" ......
23:25<bongo_>ok ok
23:26<chealer>Jordan_U: which one?
23:27<Jordan_U>chealer, dpkg, apt and some others
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23:27<Jordan_U>chealer, But I can install most other packages from main
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23:28<interbird>eldowan: what do you mean ?
23:29<chealer>Jordan_U: hehe. what does $ apt-cache policy dpkg; output?
23:29<Jordan_U>chealer, And I can install the packges with dpkg if I download the debs themselves, so it's not dependency problems or anything like that
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23:30<Jordan_U>chealer, "candidate: none"
23:31<chealer>Jordan_U: please provide the whole output
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23:32<interbird>bongo_: Now press CtrlAlt- (numeric minus) to switch to 1280x960
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23:33<bongo_>interbird: it doesnt shows that resolution
23:33<bongo_>interbird: and it doesnt works ctrlalt -
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23:33<interbird>bongo_: - on the num keypad
23:33<interbird>bongo_: or try the +
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23:34<bongo_>interbird: ok it worked but not sure what is the resolution now :S
23:34<eldowan>interbird: when you are playing a video in X, and the window is small, the 320x240 video is only 320x240 pixels. Or you can zoom it fullscreen. Is there a way to get text mode to behave like the former?
23:35<bongo_>interbird: well i think it doesnt recognize 1280x960
23:35<interbird>bongo_: use xwininfo to check the resolution
23:36<bongo_>interbird: it shouldnt appear in the list of resolutions, should it?
23:36<interbird>eldowan: fbset --xres 400 --yres 400
23:36<eldowan>interbird: aah, thank you too many
23:37<bongo_>interbird: even if i change the resolution with CTRL-Alt -- it doesnt change the resolution shown with xwininfo
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23:39<interbird>bongo_: true, it's not a real resolution change it seems. using gnome? then try: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
23:39<foxjazz>I re-installed linux. Now it says I can't mount my sata drive.
23:40<foxjazz>how do you get su with terminal
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23:40<bongo_>interbird: it dosen't show 1280 x 960
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23:41<bongo_>interbird: yes im using gnome
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23:42<interbird>bongo_: hmm, well then you have to remove the 1280x1024 in the line for 24 bpp and restart X
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23:43<interbird>bongo_: Then you can see if 1280x960 works for your current color-depth (which is 24 bpp)
23:44<bongo_>interbird: ok i'll try it out
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23:49<bongo_>interbird: weird it doesnt recognize it
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23:51<interbird>bongo_: possible, not all cards recognize the 1152x864 and/or 1280x960 resolutions; some jump from 1024x768 directly to 1280x1024
23:51<bongo_>interbird: well i think i'll stick with 1280x1024
23:52<bongo_>interbird: thank you so much
23:52<interbird>you're welcome
23:52<bongo_>interbird: and sorry for my gasp with my english
23:52<bongo_>or w/e :P
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23:58<lenn-colts>ok, new to debian, and wanted to mount my other harddrive how would i go about that?
23:59<interbird>as root: mkdir /mnt/otherdrive
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