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---Logopened Tue Oct 30 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<interbird>as root: mount /dev/hdxn /mnt/otherdrive where x is the letter of the drive and n is the partition number
00:00<lenn-colts>its hdb1
00:01<interbird>mkdir /mnt/hdb1
00:01<interbird>mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
00:01<lenn-colts>k, i did that
00:01<interbird>ls /mnt/hdb1
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00:01<lenn-colts>thanks alot
00:02<interbird>to have the mount after a reboot you need to edit /etc/fstab
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00:02<lenn-colts>also, one more question
00:02<lenn-colts>what package do i have to get
00:03<lenn-colts>to fix this error: configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
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00:03<chealer>lenn-colts: when doing what?
00:03<lenn-colts>trying to compile xchat
00:03<interbird>apt-get install libglib<version>-dev
00:04<chealer>lenn-colts: if you don't mind, why are you trying to compile xchat?
00:04<lenn-colts>because at first apt-get kept on timing out when getting xchat
00:04<lenn-colts>so i was trying to do it myself
00:04<lenn-colts>oh, what type do i put down in fstab for my other harddrive?
00:04<chealer>lenn-colts: that's abnormal. you must have a broken connection or mirror.
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00:05<lenn-colts>it happened 3 times in a row
00:05<lenn-colts>then started working
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00:05<chealer>lenn-colts: so anyway, why do you want to compile xchat now?
00:05<lenn-colts>not going to now, but i'm figuring i'll need that for when i compile bitchx
00:06<chealer>lenn-colts: $ mount; will tell you the type of currently mounted partitions
00:06<interbird>lenn-colts: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 auto defaults,,errors=remount-ro 0 1
00:06<interbird>lenn-colts: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 auto defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
00:07<interbird>one comma
00:07<lenn-colts>thanks guys
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00:07<chealer>lenn-colts: well, why would you compile bitchx?
00:07<dell>how do i speed up my touchpad??????????
00:07<chealer>!tell dell about ep
00:07<lenn-colts>cause thats the irc client i normally use
00:08<chealer>lenn-colts: why not using binary packages?
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00:09<lenn-colts>vortex@addai:~$ mkdir quake
00:09<lenn-colts>mkdir: cannot create directory `quake': Permission denied
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00:09<lenn-colts>why would it do that?
00:10<interbird>lenn-colts: you are trying to create a dir outside your home-dir as a normal user
00:10<lenn-colts>im in my home dir
00:10<ed__>Guys I have a question. I have a debian install here (not a super-recent one) that takes a little too long to start up - all sorts of stuff scrolling by the window before I get to the login prompt. what's the systematic approach to figuring out what are the things that its trying to do, and either remove some of them or paralelize some?
00:10<lenn-colts>vortex@addai:~$ cd ~
00:10<lenn-colts>vortex@addai:~$ mkdir quake
00:10<lenn-colts>mkdir: cannot create directory `quake': Permission denied
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00:11<interbird>lenn-colts: what does ls -lad $ . say ?
00:11<interbird>lenn-colts: what does ls -lad . say ?
00:12<chealer>ed__: read the scripts?
00:12<lenn-colts>where should i post it too/
00:12<lenn-colts>i dont want to flood the chan
00:12<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
00:12<chealer>(for figuring out. for removing, see rcconf)
00:12<ed__>chealer, that's exactly what I am asking - what are some of the scripts to look at
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00:13<dell>how do i speed up my touchpad??????????
00:13<dell>how do i speed up my touchpad?
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00:13<chealer>ed__: if you're not able to map the text output to script names, search for the text output in the scripts directory.
00:14<interbird>ed__: apache(2), postgres, mysql, samba if you don't need those
00:14<ed__>chealer, well part of the problem is the stuff scrolls by way too quickly
00:14<ed__>i do see it pause for DHCP, everything else I have no idea what it is
00:14<chealer>lenn-colts: are you able to create a file?
00:15<chealer>!tell ed__ about bootlogd
00:15<interbird>lenn-colts: as root: chown vortex:vortex . -R
00:15<lenn-colts>i can just su and do it right?
00:15<chealer>interbird: are you able to create a file as root?
00:15<chealer>interbird: sorry
00:15<chealer>lenn-colts: are you able to create a file as root?
00:16<dell>hi, is there any way to speed up the touchpad on a dell laptop with ubuntu on it?
00:16<chealer>dell: /topic
00:16<lenn-colts>addai:/home/vortex# chown vortex:vortex -R
00:16<lenn-colts>chown: missing operand after `vortex:vortex'
00:16<lenn-colts>Try `chown --help' for more information.
00:16<dell>whats topic?
00:16<lenn-colts>i missed the .
00:16<interbird>lenn-colts: your homedir has root as the owner
00:17<interbird>lenn-colts: chown vortex:vortex .
00:17<lenn-colts>there we go
00:17<lenn-colts>thanks, im a moron at this :P
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00:18<chealer>dell: "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu"
00:18<interbird>lenn-colts: you also have files and dirs with a non-existant userid. to make all the files in you homedir owned by user vortex and group vortex: chown vortex:vortex . -R from within your home-dir
00:19<lenn-colts>inter: thanks, i appreciate the help
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00:22<dell>sorry thats what i meant
00:22<dell>i was joking
00:22<dell>debian rules
00:22<dell>hi, is there any way to speed up the touchpad on a dell laptop with debian on it?
00:22<eldowan>dell: move your finger faster?
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00:22<eldowan>is there a good current method of getting ati accelerated graphics?
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00:22<lou>what are you running Dell as in Debian?
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00:24<lou>are you using etch, lenny or sid Dell?
00:25<lenn-colts>it did it again
00:25<lenn-colts>Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
00:25<lenn-colts>Err etch/main libwine 0.9.25-2.1
00:25<lenn-colts> Connection failed
00:25<lenn-colts>0% [Waiting for headers]
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00:25<lenn-colts>oops. sorry
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00:26<interbird>lenn-colts: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front if the lines with the caroll server
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00:31<lenn-colts>now i just realized i have no sound ;\
00:31<lenn-colts>tried alsaconf to what i had it set in slackware
00:31<lenn-colts>but no go
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00:36<lou>lenn-colts: did you run alsaconf and then alsamixer and then unmute anything that was muted?
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00:47<ed__>quick question - is everyhting that runs before INIT in the kernel?
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00:50<twb>ed__: broadly, yes.
00:50<ed__>twb, so if most of the spew during my bootup comes before the INIT line, then the only way to get rid of some of that stuff is to recomp the kernel?
00:50<twb>ed__: no.
00:51<twb>ed__: add `quiet' to the kernel command line
00:51<ed__>what am i missing? ;)
00:51<ed__>well I am not actually just looking to shut it up
00:51<ed__>i am looking to make if faster
00:51<twb>That won't make it faster.
00:51<twb>Spitting all that crap out doesn't speed things up.
00:51<twb>*slow it down
00:51<ed__>I know
00:51<ed__>the thing is...
00:52<twb>The part before init starts should not take long -- perhaps 10 seconds
00:52<ed__>it's a bit more than that
00:52<ed__>and a few things fail
00:52<twb>Such as?
00:52<ed__>is there a way to see a log of that?
00:52<twb>dmesg, /var/log/syslog.
00:52<ed__>let me check
00:53<twb>Is anyone here familiar with the `ipmasq' package?
00:53<twb>I want to add another iptables rule, but ipmasq breaks when I do so
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00:54<ed__>twb, syslog is's an example:
00:54<ed__>isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
00:54<ed__> / isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
00:55<ed__>clearly a waste of time, i dont think i even have an ISA bus in this machine
00:55<twb>That is done after init.
00:55<ed__>why doyou think sp
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00:55<twb>Because I understand the boot process.
00:55<ed__>the line is prefixed with Oct 30 00:45:47 localhost kernel:
00:56<ed__>that doesnt mean anything?
00:56<twb>Oh, I apologize
00:56<ed__>no need to apologize!
00:56<twb>That is indeed part of the kernel.
00:56<ed__>everything in my syslog has that prefix
00:57<ed__>interesting - most things in the syslog for my latest rebot is timestamped the same second
00:59<ed__> i am not sure if this syslog matches what's on my screen in bootup. should it?
00:59<ed__>whats the diff between this and dmesg
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01:00<twb>dmesg is just kernel messages
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01:00<ed__>i mean my system doesnt take too long to load but for some reason it feels too long
01:01<ed__>so lets say i wanted to get rid of the ISAPNP - how would i do that
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01:06<twb>It depends what is loading it.
01:06<twb>I think your best bet is to try adding it to the module blacklist
01:06<ed__>i gotta read about that
01:07<twb>man modules modprobe.conf
01:07<ed__>whats kernel line that you mentioned above before with respect to 'quiet'....
01:07<ed__>is that this: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off
01:07<twb>I haven't done this myself -- generally my boxes only restart when Bad Things happen
01:07<twb>You may wanna check out usplash and/or splashy
01:08<twb>Also, using a parallellizing init daemon like upstart or cinit instead of the default init.
01:08<twb>Although currently this requires you to do a bunch of extra maintenance because /etc/init.d won't be used
01:09<ed__>if i install usplash via patitude is that enough or i have to do something to get it torun every time?
01:09<twb>I think it is sufficient
01:10<ed__>thanks.if i do that, i should NOT have quiet in the kernel line, i'd imagine?
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01:10<twb>You also probably need to add `splash' along with quiet
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01:11<ed__>ok reboot time
01:11<twb>ed__: /usr/share/doc/<package name> is your friend.
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01:13<lenn-colts>warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory
01:13<lenn-colts>how do i get that fixed?
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01:14<prem>hi all
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01:14<prem> I have just upgraded my openoffice from 2.0 to 2.2 from debian lenny..ITs all working fine..But now the problem is it is not installing in the usual /opt/openoffice.org2.2 path..And it removed my previous folders drom /opt/openoffice.org2 also
01:15<prem>can anybody please tell me where is it getting installed actually
01:15<prem>I didnt compile it from the source code..I jsut connect to lenny and gave apt-get install
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01:19<twb>prem: nothing should be installed in /opt
01:19<prem>twb: then where it is getting installed..which path..?
01:19<twb>Debian's packages will comply with FHS 2.3 (or if they don't, it's a policy violation).
01:19<interbird>dpkg -L packagename shows the files are installes
01:19<dpkg>No packages found matching packagename shows the files are installes
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01:20<twb>prem: thus, files are arranged according to purpose, not package.
01:20<twb> data files will be in /usr, config files in /etc, for example.
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01:21<interbird>dpkg -L packagename shows where the files are installed; openoffice is madeup of multiple packages; dpkg --list|grep -i openoffice will show most of them
01:21<dpkg>ii packagename shows where the files are installed; openoffice is madeup of multiple packages; dpkg --list|grep -i openoffice will show most of them 3.8-3 interbird's private gamp collection
01:22<prem>twb, ooh only in the /usr /etc i can find openoffice folders..what about this icons that dsiplay in the menu
01:22<prem>those icons are also not displaying for me..
01:23<twb>prem: perhaps if you described the symptoms.
01:23<interbird>sometimes logout and login for gnome after a package install will show the icons
01:24<twb>prem: are you using GNOME?
01:24<prem>interbird ,ooh yes..I will try that
01:24<prem>twb ,yes
01:24<stevens>i am using etch, i was curious what was the best way to remove an app and all its depencies? would apt-get -remove --purge do the trick or maybe ? autoremove
01:25<prem>twb,actully right now am trying to configure openoffice SDK ...In the configuration it is asking the path of Openoffice installation..
01:25<twb>stevens: if you used aptitude to install the package, then all dependencies will be removed automatcally when you remove their dependor.
01:25<prem>twb.I dont know what to give there..tahts why am asking the path..
01:25<twb>prem: and did you install this "SDK" using aptitude?
01:25<interbird>dpkg -L packagename shows where the files are installed; openoffice is madeup of multiple packages; dpkg --list|grep -i openoffice will show most of them
01:25<dpkg>No packages found matching packagename shows where the files are installed; openoffice is madeup of multiple packages; dpkg --list|grep -i openoffice will show most of them
01:25<stevens>ty twb
01:25<twb>interbird: please prefix your remark with `prem:' so dpkg doesn't get confused.
01:26<prem>twb, no I downloaded that tar file and tryint to configure
01:26<twb>stevens: the relevant flag is ~M/!~M, and the command markauto/unmarkauto
01:26<twb>prem: that is your problem.
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01:27<stevens>twb: ty its just that aptitude seems a little more complicated but i will give it a try
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01:28<interbird>prem: there should be an containing the SDK. apt-get install
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01:29<interbird>prem: and apt-get install
01:29<prem>interbird, ty..I will install those pacakges
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01:31<vortex_>what would cause debian to log me off and make me log back in
01:31<vortex_>as soon as i start firefox or epiphany
01:32<eldowan>vortex_: X crashing?
01:32<vortex_>it just takes me to the login screen as soon as firefox or epiphany starts loading
01:33<interbird>vortex: your home-dir did contain lots of files and dirs owned by root and a non-existant group. did you chown vortex:vortex . -R in your home-dir ?
01:33<vortex_>it was working fine
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01:34<stevens>thats really odd vortex what if you log into another user do you still have that problem?
01:34<vortex_>only have this user and root on here
01:35<interbird>vortex_: what does id say ?
01:35<vortex_>vortex@addai:~$ id
01:35<vortex_>uid=1000(vortex) gid=1000(vortex) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),110(powerdev),1000(vortex)
01:35<twb>vortex_: log in, then try to run `xlogo'.
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01:36<twb>vortex_: does it kick you out? You should get a black x on a white background in a new window.
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01:36<vortex_>when i ran xlogo it booted me too
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01:40<vortex_>any ideas on what would be causing this?
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01:41<twb>vortex_: look at .xsession-errors in ~/
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01:41<twb>Probably you will need to log in on vt1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) to view it
01:42<vortex_>im in it
01:43<vortex_>Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/vortex/.metacit$** Message: Not starting remote desktop server
01:44<vortex_>those are the last two lines
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01:49<twb>vortex_: useless
01:49<interbird>vortex_: logout from gnome and goto vt1 and login under vortex. then erase /home/vortex/.gconfd/saved_state and /home/vortex/.metacity.... files
01:49<twb>vortex_: pastebin the whole thing
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01:49<twb>Silly wabbit
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01:50<vortex_>er.. ran xlogo on accident again
01:51<vortex_>any ideas on how to fix this?
01:52<interbird>vortex_: logout from gnome and goto vt1 and login under vortex. then erase /home/vortex/.gconfd/saved_state and erase the files in /home/vortex/.metacity
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01:53<interbird>vortex_: then as root: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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01:55<vortex_>alt ctrl f1 isnt doing naything, just locking my screen up
01:56<interbird>Ctrl+Alt+F2 then ?
01:56<twb>vortex_: pastebin the contents of /etc/inittab
01:56<vortex_>let me try
01:56<vortex_>i cant goto pastebin
01:56<twb>vortex_: pastebin the contents of /proc/cpuinfo
01:56<vortex_>it'll log me out
01:56<vortex_>cant load any browsers
01:57<twb>You can open a terminal emulator?
01:57<vortex_>ctrl alt f2 locks too
01:57<twb>What terminal emulator?
01:57<twb>e.g. xterm, gnome-terminal
01:57<vortex_>gnome terminal
01:57<twb>Use the w3m browser.
01:58<vortex_>paste both on the same pastebin?
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02:02<vortex_>thats inittab
02:03<vortex_>thats cpuinfo
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02:07<twb>OK, so there is no reason C-M-f1 should not work
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02:07<twb>You say it `locks up'. What do you actually see?
02:08<vortex_>the screen just locks
02:08<vortex_>stays the same as it was
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02:08<vortex_>just the mouse icon disappears
02:08<twb>Are you using grub?
02:08<twb>pastebin the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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02:16<tehryan>Hey, anyone here?
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02:17<tehryan>I need some help with ndiswrapper
02:17<twb>vortex: OK, I give up
02:17<twb>vortex: try changing "nv" to "vesa" in xorg.conf and restarting X
02:17<twb>vortex: that's all I can think of
02:17<twb>tehryan: specifically?
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02:18<tehryan>well, i got the sys/inf files
02:18<tehryan>i ran: ndiswrapper -i file.inf
02:18<tehryan>modprobe ndiswrapper
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02:18<tehryan>now when I do a ndiswrapper -l it lists the driver and says 'device present'
02:18<tehryan>but iwconfig isn't showing it
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02:19<tehryan>also, nothing relevant in messages or syslog
02:19<tehryan>i'm a total noob, so I dont know where to go from here
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02:19<tehryan>its a WUSB11v2.8
02:19<tehryan>which is a linksys usb wireless adapter
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02:20<Peco> i had problems to install limewire: someone could help me?
02:20<twb>Peco: yes; don't.
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02:21<vortex_>interbird: i did those two things you suggested and it worked
02:21<Peco>its a deb package
02:21<vortex_>no longer crashes loading the browsers
02:21<vortex_>thank you very much
02:22<twb>Peco: that means nothing
02:23<Peco>i know
02:23<twb>aptitude search ~snet~dpeer.?~(to~|2~).?peer
02:23<twb>aptitude search '~snet~dpeer.?~(to~|2~).?peer', rather.
02:23<Peco>its my first time using a linux
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02:23<twb>That will list p2p tools that are Free software.
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02:24<twb>As a corrollary, they will probably be better integrated into Debian.
02:24<Peco>could be
02:25<Peco>someone speak portuguese here?
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02:30<ameyer>isn't frostwire the preferred limewire clone?
02:30<ameyer>but as I understand it, frostwire's written in java
02:30[~]ameyer shudders at the thought of a java application
02:31[~]tehryan shares in the javahate.
02:31<ameyer>it's just... look at azureus
02:31<ameyer>then again, I use btdownloadcurses.bittornado
02:32<ameyer>although python's not as bloated as java
02:32<ameyer>and I suspect it'd be hard to write a python console bittorrent app as bloated as azureus
02:33<ameyer>I can run about 4 or 5 instances before my craptop gives up and dies
02:34<ameyer>I suspect azureus would bloat my laptop into submission before I even got it fully loaded
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02:35<stevens>anyone know iptables or know Spamhaus and the installation of it?
02:36<tehryan>hey ameyer, you know anything about using ndiswrapper?
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02:39<gsimmons_>tehryan: Your card contains an Atmel at76c505 chipset. A native driver exists (at76_usb - <>) which lists support for your device. The source is packaged in Debian as 'at76c503a-source'. Should this not work, checkout the version in CVS.
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02:46<iamtravis>hello, i need to download a backport 2.6.22 kernel to get my sound working, my current kernel is 2.6.18-5-amd64 , does anybody know what the package name of the one i'd want would be?
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02:47<iamtravis>ty, i'll give that a shot
02:48<gpm>that's the sid package
02:48<gpm>!simple sid backport
02:48<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
02:49<iamtravis>i'd want the etch backport though wouldn't i? i'm on etch right now
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02:54<dpkg>portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.
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02:55<gpm>iamtravis: read the factoid on backports
02:55<gpm>/msg dpkg simple sid backport
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02:56<twb>`idiom' should be `language' in that entry.
02:56<twb>idiom is the gloss, not the translation
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02:57<Peco>Im brazilian. its my first time here.
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02:58<ImporT>with wget can i use wild cards? *.txt
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02:58<ImporT>and if so what would be an example of this wget somesite
02:59<iamtravis>well, apt-cache search doesn't have it in there that i can see, i'll try out sid
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02:59<gpm>of course it doesn't have it
02:59<gpm>that package isn't in etch
02:59<gpm>it's only in sid
02:59<ImporT>oo i have sid :P
02:59<gpm>!give ImporT a cookie
02:59[~]dpkg gives ImporT a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up.
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03:00<ImporT>gpm do you know if wget can use wild cards wget somesite *.txt?
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03:00<ImporT>ps thanks for the cookie
03:01<gpm>ImporT: i don't think so, but it probably lists a way to do it in the manpage
03:01[~]gpm is no expert with wget
03:03<iamtravis>ok, i get <server>/debian/ etch main etc , if i put sid beside etch would that work?
03:05<gpm>iamtravis: wait, there's no backported version?
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03:06<iamtravis>i couldn't see one for etch, i'm just gonna try and add this sid repository, then install it via apt's apt-get method.. unless the other way's easier
03:06<gpm>hold on a tic
03:07[~]iamtravis hopes the nvidia drivers will be as painless as for this kernel
03:07<gsimmons_>iamtravis, gpm:
03:08<gpm>iamtravis: booya: *
03:09<gpm>you didn't look for a backport
03:09<gpm>i found that on
03:09<gpm>which the factoid said to check out
03:09<iamtravis>awesome, actually i did.. but i couldn't remember the naming convention.. so i was trying stuff like kernel-2.6.22*amd64 :)
03:11<gpm>oh, i just searched for linux-image
03:11<gpm>in etch-backports
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03:11<gpm>it's all linux-image-[version]-[arch] iirc
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03:15[~]gpm is turning in.
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03:15<iamtravis>apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64_2.6.22-4~bpo40+1_amd64 and deb etch-backports main contrib non-free is in my sources.list
03:16<iamtravis>after an update and it didn't work
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03:19<twb>iamtravis: -t etch-backports is wrong
03:20<iamtravis>alright, i'll try it without that part
03:22<iamtravis>E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64_2.6.22-4~bpo40+1_amd64 E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64_2.6.22-4
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03:23<iamtravis>that's what it says on the backports help page though.. to add that to the apt-get
03:23<gsimmons_>iamtravis: That should be "apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64". Backports are deactivated by default, so you will need to specify '-t etch-backports'.
03:25<iamtravis>alright.. hope it works out good - that worked
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03:32<iamtravis> i got a couple errors when installing
03:33<gsimmons_>iamtravis: The key phrase is "No space left on device".
03:34<Onepamopa>blah, configure cannot find --x-includes=DIR and --x-libraries=DIR
03:34<Onepamopa>what this mean
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03:35<Supaplex>Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x0000009c in 32-bit code (0x7e423b11).
03:35<Supaplex>pity pity
03:35<blarson>Onepamopa: It sounds like you are missing a build-dependancy
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03:36<Onepamopa>so, what to do?
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03:41<ifvoid>Supaplex: wine?
03:41<ifvoid>could post the entire output to please?
03:42<Supaplex>yeah. 1m, i wiped that term out.
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03:44<Supaplex>ifvoid: ps, it's the winehq deb. but if you're curious still,
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03:44<ifvoid>Supaplex: hmm, no idea
03:45<ifvoid>Supaplex: some people in ##winehq on freenode were talking about crysis though the other day
03:45<ifvoid>they might be able to help you
03:45<Supaplex>humm okays
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03:49<foxjazz>how do you know what version of gutsy is installed
03:50<Supaplex>we don't
03:50<Supaplex>foxjazz: why join #debian and ask ubuntu questions?
03:51<foxjazz>because no one knows ubuntu
03:51[~]Supaplex wonders why it's a reoccuring theme
03:51<Supaplex>and we don't support it. not our product.
03:52<foxjazz>why so many flavors?
03:52<Supaplex>we don't support redhat, fedora, suse, slackware, windows, or well... anything else we don't make either.
03:53<foxjazz>is there a way to tell if you have 64bit or x86 version running?
03:53<iamtravis>i got the lib32 emulation libraries installed along while back and forgot the package names it came with, apt-cache search lib32 isn't looking promising either, does anybody know their names so i could free up some space?
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03:53<iamtravis>foxjazz: try uname -a
03:53<gsimmons_>iamtravis: 'ia32-libs', IIRC.
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04:06<Onepamopa>so, did anyone had a problem with ICH5 integrated sound?
04:06<Onepamopa>it works only on 4ch, no 6ch
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04:07<Crazy|One>i just installed ubuntu onto my laptop, and i cannot get my advent webcam to work. I looked all over online for drivers and cant find any, any ideas what I can do?
04:08<twb>Crazy|One: you can ask #ubuntu on Freenode.
04:08<Crazy|One>nobody in here can help?
04:08<twb>Onepamopa: I have no problems with two-channel sound on ICH5s
04:08<twb>Crazy|One: this is not the appropriate forum for Ubuntu discussion.
04:09<Crazy|One>ahhh ok,
04:09<Crazy|One>thanks anyway
04:09<twb>Onepamopa: I'm too coarse to buy fancy-pants hundred-dollar sound systems
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04:10<Onepamopa>twb, 2ch and 4ch works just like a charm
04:10<Onepamopa>but 6ch - no
04:10<Onepamopa>it works only on 4ch
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04:31<travis>hello, this might be a stupid question.. but can you guys recommend any packages that i could delete or temporarily place somebody else while i try to get these nvidia drivers goin?
04:31<travis>i had to get rid of lib32 so far to get a kernel installed.. i don't know what else is expendable.. shoulda made the root partition larger
04:32<gsimmons_>travis: Have you run an "apt-get clean"?
04:32<travis>i think so.. let me try again
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04:33<travis>yeah.. got the same deal
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04:34<twb>travis: why not just grow the / partition temporarily?
04:34<twb>Or even refrain from putting build-time crap there
04:35<ameyer>travis: you could probably nuke something like gnome/kde and deal with something smaller/lighter like fluxbox
04:36<ameyer>and if you have both, you could nuke one or the other temporarily
04:36<travis>hmm, that's a good idea, but i wouldn't know where to start.. do you know how i could place the downloads that the m-a program uses in a temporary place like /usr/ or /var? it's erring when trying to place a module in /lib i think
04:36<travis>i have plenty of disc space, but wasn't expecting to have so many files in the / directory
04:37<travis>if i could grow the directory that'd be great.. would i use fdisk for that?
04:37<WildOS>I have a problem related to gprof. One of my functions takes seconds to execute, and thus makes the allself calls show in seconds instead of ms. I have tried omitting the timedemanding function by "gprof -e myFunc myExecutable gmon.out > myFile" But the function is still in the flat profile... I've tried both Class::myFunc and just myFunc.. What should I do? please help..
04:38<WildOS>allself=call self
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04:45<twb>ameyer: GNOME and KDE are desktop environments; fluxbox is a window manager. It is not appropriate to compare them.
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04:54<sasha>hi , i ve added the wine repository but this is a stable one , how can i set higher pinning only for this stable repository cause i m in testing
04:54<darren>Anyone know what's wrong when I get the error "SSLFilter: unable to load unix openssl"
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04:56<twb>sasha: why can't you use the win in testing?
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04:56<doofy>darren: have you got openssl?
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04:57<sasha>twb : i can but wine offer a repository deb etch main and i would like to take package from that one prior to th e testing one
04:57<darren>doofy, I have it installed, and am trying to use nzb over an ssl connection to no avail.
04:57<twb>sasha: and you expect that to be BETTER than the one that's maintained by Debian?
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04:58<twb>sasha: that is, why DON'T you use the win in testing?
04:58<darren>doofy: I have it installed, and am trying to use nzb over an ssl connection to no avail.
04:58<sasha>twb the version in testing is smaller than the one in the wine rep
04:58<gsimmons_>darren: Do you have 'libssl0.9.8' installed?
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05:00<sasha>twb : Debian is well know to never be up to date , i be a lot of self compiled package that are not ever in unstable an that work pretty goof
05:00<twb>sasha: you are silly.
05:00<darren>doofy: sure do. I'm a newbie and have been doing alright up until this problem..which has me baffled.
05:00<doofy>gsimmons_: I think that was ment for you (in case you didnt see it)
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05:02<sasha>but tbw that s not the question , how can i set pinning only to one repository ?
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05:10<gsimmons_>darren: Does the NNTP server you're connecting to support SSL connections? Use something like "nc -vz nntps" to verify.
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05:13<darren>gsimmons_: yup, SSL is supported.
05:13<ameyer>twb: i happen to disagree with that
05:13<ameyer>although it depends on what exactly you expect
05:14<ameyer>if you just expect something to manage windows in X, fluxbox is fine
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05:14<ameyer>probably better than GNOME/KDE in that case
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05:16<ameyer>it's like you're trying to argue that it's not appropriate to compare Windows and Linux because one does more things than the other one
05:17<twb>It is appropriate to compare kwin, metacity and fluxbox.
05:18<twb>And indeed yes, it is not appropriate to compare Windows and Linux.
05:19<ameyer>bloody hell
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05:19<twb>To do so indicates either a use of verbal shorthand, or a fundamental misunderstanding of the technologies concerned.
05:20<twb>I worry about gnomes using the former and confusing neophytes who are stuck in the latter.
05:20<twb>(That's gnomes as in those-who-know, not GNOME users.)
05:21<gsimmons_>darren: Can you provide the output of "dpkg -l nzb libssl0.9.8" at a pastebin?
05:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
05:21<ameyer>and it's not like i was suggesting a permanent switch to fluxbox or anything
05:22<twb>It also omits the quite feasible act of running GNOME with fluxbox instead of metacity, for example.
05:23<ameyer>yeah, all 2 people that do it
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05:24<ameyer>to be honest, unless metacity/kwin provide more functionality than i think they do, that's not really a fair comparison
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05:25<ameyer>fluxbox is more useful without a desktop environment on top of it, unless metacity and kwin provide some semi-sane way to start applications
05:26<ameyer>and no, I wouldn't consider going to a tty and entering "DISPLAY=:0 program &" sane
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05:26<gsimmons_>darren: You're using Ubuntu. You'd want to take this to #ubuntu over at
05:27<ameyer>but this is a pointless argument, and it's almost 4:30 AM, so I'm going to bed
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05:28<petemc>i think that was obvious
05:28<darren>gsimmons_: I've asked there and gotten no response at all, which is why I came here. Is it a faux pas to ask ubuntu related questions here?
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05:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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05:30<twb>darren: it is not appropriate, but you won't be castigated for it unless you repeat it.
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05:31<darren>Alright, well thanks for trying anways guys!
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05:31<ajcc>How do I tell dhcp3-server (dhcpd) which interface it should use? I've been Googlering a lot, route add, sysconfig(no such directory) and DHCPDARGS. None of them seems to work. I'm trying to set up it for the subnet netmask
05:31<ameyer>yeah, well, I think comparing Windows and Linux would involve comparing Windows and Linux + GNU
05:31<R0CK>guys, anyone know what is the stable version for proxy server in debian ?
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05:32<twb>ajcc: a subnet is not an interface.
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05:32<twb>ameyer: you mean GNU + Linux ;-)
05:33<ajcc>twb: I know, but maybe I did set that part up wrong.
05:33<R0CK>and GUI easy software to setup a proxy server ?
05:33<twb>R0CK: what kind of proxy server?
05:33<twb>ajcc: I personally use dnsmasq, because it's so damn simple
05:33<R0CK>I have 2 interfaces, one of them connected to internet and the other one to a lkan.
05:33<R0CK>I want to setup a proxy server to share internet.
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05:33<twb>R0CK: what protocol(s) do want to proxy?
05:34<R0CK>that's all.
05:34<R0CK>maybe sucks later.
05:35<R0CK>sock 4.
05:35<twb>For that you will need either polipo or squid, a mail-transport-agent (e.g. postfix, exim4), and a pop3-server.
05:35<twb>e.g. aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent
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05:35<R0CK>okay what about GUI setting ?
05:35<R0CK>no way ?
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05:35<twb>Alternately, you could just configure your Debian box to act as a bridge.
05:36<twb>Er, gateway, I guess.
05:36<R0CK>No, I don't want internet connection share.
05:36<ameyer>and possibly things that would run on top of GNU/Linux to provide similar functionality to Windows
05:36<twb>Fair enough.
05:36<R0CK>I want to be able to control internet 2.
05:36<twb>ameyer: is MySQL, for example, part of GNU/Linux, or Windows, or both or neither? ;-)
05:36<ameyer>god knows
05:37<twb>Is X part of Windows? There are commercial X servers for Windows.
05:37<R0CK>twb, is there any software GUI ?
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05:37<twb>R0CK: I don't know.
05:37<R0CK>okay thanks.
05:37<twb>R0CK: that is, I know of ones like webmin which should NOT be used.
05:37<R0CK>webmin ?
05:37<twb>R0CK: why do you want a GUI?
05:38<ajcc>twb: I'll try dnsmasq instead then, I just need dhcp for attaching my laptop as NAT storeage to my workstation
05:38<R0CK>I hate the shell screen...
05:38<ameyer>twb: if you're talking about desktop use, MySQL wouldn't be part of either
05:38<ajcc>twb: thanks for the tip!
05:38<R0CK>It's driving me crazy on squid...
05:38<ameyer>what the heck does Windows server ship with anyway
05:38<twb>ameyer: oh, we're restricting ourselves to desktop roles now? ;-)
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05:39<twb>AFAICT, Windows Server basically ships with rdp enabled by default and isn't crippled to a single concurrent login.
05:39<ameyer>twb: I'm not familiar enough with what Windows servers generally run to say what the linux equivalent is\
05:40<twb>xrdp, bleh
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05:40<ameyer>why the hell would you want a server with a GUI you can't turn off?
05:40<twb>ameyer: I don't know.
05:41<twb>In Windows the GUI is mostly implemented in the kernel.
05:41<twb>Other than that it's basically a microkernel.
05:41<twb>Personally I don't think servers should even have video cards.
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05:42<sasha>hi i m in debian testing , i would like to set a pinning priority to an unofficial stable repository , how can i do that ? i ve writen a pinning rule with o= in preferences but the stabke rule is dominant regarding apt-cache policy . could some expert help me ?
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05:44<ameyer>twb: on the desktop you run into the issue of whether you decide GNOME/KDE/XFCE/(some other alternative setup) is equivalent to the windows shell
05:44<twb>sasha: I maintain that using an third-party etch package of wine instead of the official lenny wine package is silly.
05:44<twb>ameyer: well, broadly the WM is equivalent to the windows shell
05:44<twb>For example the media player is not part of the windows shell.
05:45<ameyer>and other fun issues like that
05:45<ameyer>twb: the webbrowser is, apparently
05:45<twb>ameyer: erm, debatable
05:45<twb>ameyer: since the explorer shell uses embedded iexplore widgets
05:46<ameyer>or at least it's apparently impossible to remove IE in anything later than W98
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05:46<twb>I think it's only impossible if you need to use any of the default tools like the browser or the shell or and third-party apps which dynamically load the iexplore libraries.
05:46<twb>...which of course is most of them
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05:46<ameyer><evil_thought>reverse-engineer the IE widget interface and implement in Firefox, and switch...</evil_thought>
05:47<ameyer>probably would break some things, since IE does stuff in a horribly non-standard way
05:48<ameyer>and we all know how well WINE implements the W32 API
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05:48<ameyer>only took em like 12 years to get to the current level of usability....
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05:49<twb>ameyer: I don't see the point
05:49<twb>Just scrap Windows
05:50<twb>It's not like Firefox is in any way admirable
05:50<ameyer>it's better than IE
05:51<ameyer>then again, so is a sledgehammer to your hard drive
05:51<Maulkin>And processor. And memory.
05:52<ameyer>yeah, repeatedly until the level of functionality is significantly reduced
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05:53<Maulkin>... Quite.
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05:53<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
05:54<ameyer>twb: well, firefox is the most functional Linux browser in my experience
05:54<twb>It doesn't even do i18n hyphenation!
05:54<ameyer>but Mozilla seems to be a bunch of ***holes sometimes
05:54<ameyer>what the heck is that?
05:55<twb>Have you ever read a printed book?
05:55<twb>You know how it breaks up words on the boundary at syllables?
05:55<twb>That's hyphenation
05:55<ameyer>I was more wondering about the i18n part
05:56<twb>Obviously to hyphenate correctly you need to be language-local
05:56<twb>(Actually firefox doesn't hyphenate at all)
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05:56<twb>If it *did* hyphenate, then text-fill: justify would actually be useful on web pages
05:56<Supaplex>ameyer's turning Japanese ameyer's turning Japanese I really think so ;)
05:57<ameyer>yeah, I'm not exactly familiar with what i18n is
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05:57<dpkg>it has been said that i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it?, or
05:57<dpkg>l10n is, like, an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it?
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05:58<twb>!a11y is an abbreviation for accessibility, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "A, then 11 more letters, then Y", get it?
05:58<dpkg>twb: okay
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05:59[~]Supaplex deep 6's winehq again.
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06:00[~]ameyer wonders how old of a Windows version he'd have to use to get a semi-useful system on a 6 GB HD that ran somewhat well in 128 MB of RAM
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06:01<zgmf-x20a>hey guys, question. im new to ubuntu, i always used kubuntu. switched bc net access works on ubuntu. anyways, got konversation here, how do i get over to freenode, like in kubuntu?
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06:01<twb>ameyer: meh
06:01<ameyer>I know XP obviously would use too much RAM
06:01<suiside>zgmf-x20a: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
06:01<twb>These days, I'd never trust Windows to real hardware
06:01<ameyer>I can do it with Debian just fine
06:02<tex>zgmf-x20a, check topic
06:02<twb>zgmf-x20a: ask #kde on freenode :P
06:02<ameyer>I'd guess it'd be Windows ME
06:02<zgmf-x20a>suiside: yup i see that. but when installing konversation via ubuntu, this comes up as the stock service
06:02<ameyer>technically went 2000>ME>XP
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06:03<ameyer>haha, that might not be considered semi-useful though...
06:03<zgmf-x20a>ummm there is no one in #kde
06:03<twb>zgmf-x20a: *on freenode*
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06:04<zgmf-x20a>twb: yes, how do i get to free node???????
06:04<twb>zgmf-x20a: this is OFTC.
06:04<twb>zgmf-x20a: that's client-specific
06:04<doofy>zgmf-x20a: Try /server
06:04<ameyer>haha, Ubuntu didn't patch konversation to end up in the proper channel
06:04<ameyer>someone wanna go file a bug report?
06:05<zgmf-x20a>doofy: it keep saying:
06:05<doofy>ameyer: People coming into our channel bugging us a lot, omg omg plz fix asap
06:05<zgmf-x20a>[19:04] [Info] Looking for server
06:05<zgmf-x20a>[19:04] [Error] Connection to Server lost: name lookup has failed. Trying to reconnect.
06:05<twb>ameyer: no
06:05<twb>ameyer: you can't file bug reports with Ubuntu without launching X
06:05<ameyer>twb: says who?
06:05<twb>ameyer: me.
06:06<twb>ameyer: go on, try and log into using a text browser
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06:06<zgmf-x20a>hmm, ok, anyone know the proper address????
06:06<twb>I admit you can use a GPG-signed mail, but to do that you need to launch X at least once to add your GPG key via the web interface.
06:07<twb>zgmf-x20a: PO Box 23, Roux Derriere, Nice, France.
06:07<ameyer>zgmf-x20a: is the proper address
06:07<ameyer>wait, is it .net?
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06:08<Supaplex>10:08 -!- freenode: (freenode)
06:08<twb>I thought one was .org
06:08<doofy>anyone know how to split statusbar in irssi?
06:08<doofy>i want my acts "down a level" like
06:08<zgmf-x20a>what the heck.... its not working... :@ lol
06:08<ameyer>wouldn't surprise me if .org worked too, though
06:09<twb>zgmf-x20a: aptitude install irssi
06:09<Supaplex>zgmf-x20a: google 'freenode faq'
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06:10<twb>zgmf-x20a: irssi users are legion; there will always be someone to hold your hand.
06:10<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
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06:11[~]twb scratches Supaplex's back
06:11<twb>hehehehe... kitty
06:12<zgmf-x20a>what is irssi?? and also, soooooooo this doesnt just work if i put in the server address or what?
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06:12<twb>zgmf-x20a: you have just dropped below my apathy threshold. Plonk.
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06:13<zgmf-x20a>twb: hahahahaha worry man. my knowledge is all from kubuntu, which is actually quite differtn from ubuntu... and this konversation not just working is not something im used to
06:13<Supaplex>twb: ouuu nice, a little to the left
06:13<tim_flatus>Right. Is it the case that playing embedded videos does not work in any web browser in any distro or is this purely a Debian/Slushferret issue?
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06:13<ameyer>twb: ahh yes, announcing your plonking
06:13<twb>tim_flatus: slushferret?
06:14<ameyer>personally, I'd just plonk and let them figure it out or not
06:14<twb>ameyer: it's only good manners to explain why one is not responding
06:14<zgmf-x20a>kubuntu would be awesome if it had ubuntu's networking, and cool gui when opening and closing windows and stuff. lol
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06:14<Supaplex>zgmf-x20a: uh, kubuntu is install ubuntu, purge gnome, install kde.
06:14<tim_flatus>twb: iceweasil, sorry
06:14<Supaplex>isn't it?
06:14<twb>tim_flatus: what video plugin are you using?
06:15<iamtravis>lol @ slushferret/iceweasel
06:15<zgmf-x20a>Supaplex: yah i read that can be done... but if i did that, i would lose the options for netowrking and stuff then right?
06:16<zgmf-x20a>the diff is simple for me, ubutnu works, kubuntu didnt
06:16<tim_flatus>twb: I have been trying to use the realplayer plug-in for .rm files in particular, but mplayer appeared to be taking over. So I uninstalled that. Do I just need to configure mozplugger?
06:16<Supaplex>zgmf-x20a: you're asking a man that uses the *real* debian
06:16<ameyer>ubuntu and kubuntu can coexist
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06:16<zgmf-x20a>lol im nowhere near that level....
06:16<Supaplex>well if you're not afraid to learn
06:17<Supaplex>anyway. zzZzzz time for meh
06:17<zgmf-x20a>they can.... kubutnu just needs ubuntu networking capabilities... as in making them easy.
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06:17<tim_flatus>twb: are you saying that it IS possible to play embedded video? So far no-one has admitted to being able to do it.
06:17<twb>tim_flatus: mplayer can.
06:17<zgmf-x20a>Supaplex: i will, in time, right now its more impt to get a base system up and running! :0
06:17<twb>tim_flatus: aptitude install mozilla-mplayer, I think
06:18<Supaplex>!tell zgmf-x20a -about i-g
06:18<Supaplex>!tell zgmf-x20a -about netinst
06:18<tim_flatus>twb: That's what I thought. It doesn't work on my system. I know how to install it. I need to know how to configure it so it plays ball
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06:19<tim_flatus>Most people steal the url and use a stand-alone player, because they can't be bothered with all the grief AFAICT
06:20<tim_flatus>I really just wanted to know whether it is worth persevering.
06:20<twb>tim_flatus: NFI, I don't believe in videos nor firefox
06:20<tim_flatus>twb: so you can't confirm?
06:20<twb>IIRC I made it work by just installing that package
06:21<twb>This was using Knoppix or Edgy or something, though
06:21<twb>Note that you will need to restart firefox
06:21<tim_flatus>twb: not on Debian with iceweasel? Oh dear that's not very hopeful.
06:22<twb>tim_flatus: I never tried
06:22<zgmf-x20a>ahhhh i figured it out..... thanks though! :)
06:23<tim_flatus>Things like youtube's flash player work, but trying to do anything else is frankly embarrassing.
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06:24<Nemoder>tim_flatus: I've had better luck with xine-plugin than mozplugger
06:24<tim_flatus>Nemoder: You have actually watched embedded videos. On Debian/iceweasel?
06:25<Nemoder>but there are always sites out there with crazy javascript that don't always work
06:25<tim_flatus>Nemoder: OK thanks. One sighting!
06:25<weasel>I use flashplugin-nonfree for that.
06:25<Nemoder>you have an example site?
06:25<weasel>(I also use noscript, which is a very fine firefox addon)
06:25<tim_flatus>Nemoder: in this instance, the javascrpt isn't the problem and is fixable. It's the plugins I can't get to play ball.
06:25<twb>Why aren't these extensions apt-gettable?
06:26<iamtravis>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7421249 2007-10-29 04:46 nvidia.ko -> if i move this to another partition when i want to use the 2.6.22 kernel, would that work?
06:26<weasel>because nobody packaged them
06:26<twb>It's far too much inconvenience to have to download them manually
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06:26<twb>That's one of the reasons I don't like OS X or Firefox
06:27<tim_flatus>weasel: flashplugin is good AFAICT
06:27<Nemoder>heh that site started up xine but it's locked up my browser now
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06:27<tim_flatus>I have trouble playing real and Windows Media files. I have _all_ the codecs installed I might add.
06:28<tim_flatus>Qt often crashes Iceweasel
06:28<tim_flatus>Nemoder: exactly.
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06:29<tim_flatus>Nemoder: It's a classic case of the server running flawlessly on Linux, but you can't view it with a Linux client. :|
06:29<tim_flatus>Due to the plugins being largely b0rked AFAICT
06:30<Nemoder>it doesn't look like a simple embed
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06:30<tim_flatus>Nemoder: it's not, but the code is good. I've checked.
06:30<Nemoder>and often i've noticed windows media player streams go through several layers of xml that the plugins can't always decipher
06:31<tim_flatus>Nemoder: except it lacks cases for 'Linux' and 'Iceweasel'
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06:32<twb>mplayer -playlist http://foo/bar.ra
06:35<tim_flatus>Nemoder: weasel: twb: thanks for the perspective. :) I just needed some idea of how much of a brick wall I'm up against.
06:35<tim_flatus>I might go and moan at debian-mulitmedia about this.
06:36<Nemoder>tim_flatus: I've never had a problem with a site that did a direct embed with a .mpg
06:36<twb>Video is a pestilence in any case
06:36<Nemoder>it's always sites that use a lot of javascript that seem to mess up
06:37<tim_flatus>twb: Heh.
06:39<tim_flatus>Nemoder: No, real, qt and windows media are a particulr problem. Interesting note on javascript.
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06:40<tim_flatus>I know there is a whole argument about supporting non-free codecs, but ordinary punters couldn't care less about that sort of thing.
06:40<twb>tim_flatus: codecs work in mplayer OOTB
06:40<twb>If "what ordinary punters care about" was a useful metric, we would not have the DFSG
06:40<tim_flatus>twb: I know, the codecs work fine. The browser plug-ins are my problem
06:41<twb>If you think its more important than the DFSG, #ubuntu is over there
06:41<tim_flatus>twb: WADR it's a separate argument
06:41<petemc>very curmudgeonly
06:42<tim_flatus>twb: With All Due Respect
06:42<twb>You needn't respect me
06:42<twb>I'm just a grumpy ol' man
06:42<tim_flatus>twb: takes one to know one. ;)
06:42<twb>You can throw stones at me like all the other boys
06:43<twb>I shan't hold it against you.
06:44<Nemoder>tim_flatus: that site has some very complicated javascript that is supposed to interact with the player
06:44<Nemoder>it's not a simple stream whatever it is
06:44<tim_flatus>twb: Actually if I didn't care about DFSG I'd probably migrate to something like OpenSUSE
06:44<twb>tim_flatus: whatever
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06:45<twb>Personally I stick with Debian primarily because it has extremely good QA, relatively. I attribute this to the strict policy manual and the large pedant community forcing package maintainers to adhere to it
06:47<tim_flatus>Nemoder: no, that's why I'm interested in it. If the plug-ins worked the code could be altered to support Linux-based clients. Point taken. Perhaps I'll find a simpler site to test the plug-ins.
06:47<stavros>Goodmorning to everyone
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06:48<stavros>I'm new to debian and i have a question to make. Can I?
06:48<twb>stavros: you've just used up your first question.
06:49<stavros>xaxa So can i make a third? (because that's my second)
06:49<twb>Due to the heavy activity in #debian each user is rationed only one question per year, until we "win" against the terrrsts
06:49<twb>Anyway, jokes aside, get on with it
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06:49<tim_flatus>stavros: what twb means is 'just ask'
06:50<sheldonh>when a bug is tagged pending, that means a source package has been submitted, right? where can i find pending source packages for review?
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06:50<sheldonh>(i'm looking at owfs, bug #325159)
06:50<twb>sheldonh: I think it means the maintainer promises to upload the fixed .deb RSN
06:50<tim_flatus>Man, I am _so_ in debt to #debian in that case.
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06:51<stavros>When I startup my computer the network interface is not enabled and i must login and click on the network icon for enable wired network option
06:51<stavros>can this change
06:51<twb>stavros: sure.
06:51<twb>stavros: edit /etc/network/interfaces
06:51<sheldonh>twb: hmmm. the control message included the comment "the following bugs are closed by packages in NEW"
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06:51<tim_flatus>stavros: man interfaces
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06:52<tim_flatus>stavros: you want a graphic interface? What desktop Environment are you using?
06:52<twb>tim_flatus: does it matter?
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06:53<tim_flatus>stavros: OK - System > Administration > Network
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06:53<tim_flatus>twb: Zen mind, beginners mind
06:55<stavros>what sould i edit in /etc/network/interfaces?
06:56<twb>stavros: that depends.
06:56<twb>stavros: pastebin it.
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06:57<stavros>what means pastebin
06:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
06:57<doofy>stavros: it's a paste to paste a lots of text instead of spaming the whole channel
06:57<doofy>page to paste, not a paste to paste :)
06:58<stavros>allow-hotplug eth0
06:58<stavros>iface eth0 inet static
06:58<tim_flatus>stavros: no. don't do that
06:58<stavros>ok sorry
06:58<twb>Boy oh boy
06:59<tim_flatus>That was close. ;)
06:59<twb>static allocation sounds unusual and wrong for a workstation
06:59<stavros>the problem is that i want to login remote from my main computer with ssh but i cab do that unless i login to gnome and click that option first
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07:00<stavros>its static because it will act as a server
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07:00<tim_flatus>twb: dhcp has too many variables. I prefer static esp if you need to ssh.
07:01<twb>tim_flatus: I use "static" allocation over DHCP via /etc/ethers
07:01<twb>tim_flatus: that way I only need to configure the allocation on one end, the router.
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07:02<tim_flatus>twb: OK, you're smarter than me on that count. I must learn to do this.
07:02<twb>tim_flatus: sudo sed -i $aread-ethers /etc/dnsmasq.conf
07:02<twb>tim_flatus: sudo sed -i $aXX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX\tGeoff /etc/ethers
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07:02<twb>tim_flatus: sudo sed -i $aGeoff\t192.168.17.87 /etc/hosts
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07:03<twb>tim_flatus: oops, those $'s should be escaped
07:03<redomino>there's someone who knows hot to create erpoistories on a customized distro of ubuntu?
07:03<twb>redomino: #ubuntu on Freenode knows, ask them.
07:04<redomino>I have asked yet but I haven't received response
07:04<twb>Gods, how is it that Ubuntu users can't even spell their own fucking distro's name?
07:04<twb>redomino: ah well, that's because #Ubuntu is full of morons
07:04<stavros>i am a bit confused. what is the right thing to do for my kind of a problem
07:04<redomino>what are morons?
07:04<redomino>i'm italian
07:04<twb>redomino: stupid people
07:04<redomino>ah ok :)
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07:05<twb>redomino: so you're trying to create a repository for your own .deb packages?
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07:05<redomino>so, i will explain the matter but first of all, i apologize for bad mistakes in my bad english
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07:05<twb>stavros: did you paste?
07:06<tim_flatus>stavros: Have you done much reading / googling on the subject?
07:06<twb>stavros: you need to tell us the URL of the paste
07:06<stavros>just a moment
07:07<redomino>I'm working to cretae a customized distro of ubuntu server. I have to include some packages so they will be installed at startup automatically
07:07<twb>redomino: install the `installation-guide-i386' package and look at Appendix B
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07:08<twb>redomino: you need to set up a "preseed" file
07:08<tim_flatus>stavros: try - and/or
07:08<twb>redomino: #ubuntu-install on freenode can help
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07:09<redomino>where can i find this guide? (i used the guide but it doesn't work)
07:09<stavros>thanks for the help
07:09<twb>stavros: you need to delete the auto lines
07:09<twb>stavros: and add a new line "auto lo eth0"
07:09<redomino>thanks a lot twb
07:09<twb>, I think
07:09<twb>stavros: also, comment out allow-hotplug eth0 I think
07:10<twb>stavros: wait, you have TWO eth0 stanzas there, which is wrong
07:10<themill>and lots of typos... ;)
07:11<redomino>(the matter is: when installation is being finished, it tells me that is unable to find a kernel, then it tells me that the md5sum file is corrupted)
07:11<twb>stavros: try
07:11<stavros>ok i did that
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07:11<stavros>i will do a reboot and come back with the result
07:11<twb>redomino: that means your local mirror is broken
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07:12<tim_flatus>twb: I have to say, I admire your patience. :)
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07:14<redomino>and how can I correct that? (on ubuntu-install there's nobody)
07:14<redomino>(i have to do this work to prepare my degree-thesis
07:14<tim_flatus>twb: No irony intended in that last statement. BTW
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07:16<redomino>so i greet everybody that have so many patience to help me :)
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07:16<stavros>everything ok thanks alot guys
07:16<stavros>you have been very helpfull
07:17<stavros>until the next problem goodbye :)
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07:20<redomino>ehm, after I installed installation-guide-i386, how can i read it?
07:21<petemc>dpkg -L installation-guide-i386
07:21<dpkg>No packages found matching installation-guide-i386
07:22<redomino>oh thanks
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07:27<twb>22:12 <tim_flatus> twb: I have to say, I admire your patience. :)
07:27<twb>tim_flatus: I'm installing Ubuntu over and over as I tweak these preseed files. #debian is not so trying by comparison
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07:28<tim_flatus>twb: :D
07:28<twb>No way would I hang out in #ubuntu, though
07:28<twb>They are even dumber than #python
07:28<tim_flatus>twb: I have actually found #python to be very helpful.
07:29<twb>They're amazingly ignorant of language design
07:30<tim_flatus>twb: #dev.lounge
07:30<twb>You have to stop every five minutes to explain basic concepts like lexical scoping or computational complexity (Theta notation)
07:30[~]tim_flatus looks blankly at twb
07:30<twb>tim_flatus: precisely my point
07:31<tim_flatus>I've only just started learning about refactoring. #python is about my level.
07:31<tim_flatus>Horses for courses, I guess.
07:31<twb>I concede that if you aren't a programmer -- that is, you only know Python -- then #python might be adequate instead of stroke-inducing
07:32[~]tim_flatus nods
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07:36<R0CK_>guys, why sendmail takes longtime to start ?
07:37<twb>R0CK_: how are you starting it?
07:37<R0CK_>/usr/sbin/sendmail start
07:37<twb>Ignorant monkey!
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07:37<twb>That is waiting for an email on standard input
07:37<twb>Use invoke-rc.d sendmail start
07:38<R0CK_>Starting Mail Transport Agent (MTA): sendmail
07:38<weasel>why do you even run sendmail?
07:39<R0CK_>I need it.
07:39<R0CK_>but it's the same Mr twb
07:39<twb>R0CK_: what is the same?
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07:40<twb>weasel: because he's following bad advice from the 80s
07:40<R0CK_>Ohh, it's okay.
07:40<R0CK_>Another question
07:40<twb>weasel: obviously he should use exim4 or postfix
07:40<weasel>twb: in the 80s it might have been good advice
07:40<weasel>but not anymore :)
07:40<R0CK_>I have some outgoing mail server as exam ""
07:41<twb>That's wrong.
07:41<weasel>the example domain to use is example.{com,org,net}.
07:41<R0CK_>I want to add in my outlook configurations the internal ip address of the server
07:41<twb>Outbound mail servers use SMTP, not POP
07:41[~]weasel hates it when people abuse domain names
07:41<R0CK_>Incoming mail server./
07:41<R0CK_>listen to me to the end.
07:41<twb>weasel: is the A/C manufacturer?
07:41<twb>R0CK_: no
07:42<twb>R0CK_: my time is precious, and I reserve the right to ignore people who are not concise.
07:43<R0CK_>well, thanks.
07:43<sep>!tell R0CK_ about enter
07:43<R0CK_>any other helper ?
07:44[~]weasel looks at a page full of text and doesn't seem to find the question
07:44[~]weasel moves on
07:44<avu>R0CK_: nobody know your problem yet
07:44<R0CK_>I'm looking for redirecting the internal ip address to the real pop3 domain using the same port of pop3 "110"
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07:45<avu>R0CK_: so you want a port forwarding? iptables can do that for you.
07:46<R0CK_>as exam, I want to add the server internal ip address in the outlook configurations using port 110
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07:46<R0CK_>and the server will redirect it's address to x domain using port 110
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07:46<avu>R0CK_: as I said, iptables can do port forwardings for you
07:47<R0CK_>exam please?
07:47<twb>R0CK_ is trying to set up SMTP, POP3 and HTTP proxy daemons on a Debian server.
07:47<co>loh kok nggak ada tmn nyach?
07:47<dpkg>somebody said cy was Cyprus
07:47<weasel>twb: well, it wasn't rot13 :)
07:47<twb>Hmm, isn't cy welsh?
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07:48<avu>R0CK_: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport pop3 -j DNAT --to $REMOTE_IP:pop3
07:48<R0CK_>I had finished the http and smtp.
07:48<avu>R0CK_: but that's not a proxy
07:48<avu>R0CK_: no caching, nothing, just plain forwarding
07:48<avu>R0CK_: and it's a rough example
07:48<avu>R0CK_: shich should be carefully adapted to your setup in any case
07:48<avu>which even
07:49<twb>!cy is the TLD for Cypress, and the ISO 639 code for Cymraeg (Welsh).
07:49<dpkg>...but cy is already something else...
07:49<twb>!forget cy
07:49<dpkg>i forgot cy, twb
07:49<twb>!cy is the TLD for Cypress, and the ISO 639 code for Cymraeg (Welsh).
07:49<twb>Eek, sorry.
07:49<twb>!forget cy
07:49<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'cy' to forget, twb
07:49<twb>!cy is the TLD for Cyprus, and the ISO 639 code for Cymraeg (Welsh).
07:49<dpkg>twb: okay
07:49<R0CK_>avu, what about pop3 proxy ?
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07:49<simonrvn>Cypress is the tree :)
07:50<dpkg>cy is, like, the TLD for Cyprus, and the ISO 639 code for Cymraeg (Welsh).
07:50<avu>R0CK_: I don't know of a specific pop3 proxy. you could use SOCKS I guess.
07:51<R0CK_>No it's not socks.
07:51<avu>R0CK_: erm
07:51<R0CK_>It should be something like pop3 proxy
07:51<twb>avu: I think it's pretty clear R0CK_ doesn't really know what he's doing
07:51<tim_flatus>twb: da
07:51<avu>R0CK_: might I also suggest using a channel in your native tounge?
07:51<avu>R0CK_: maybe taht'll help communicating your problems a bit clearer
07:51<Onepamopa>I have problems with my kernel
07:51<twb>tim_flatus: squid was caching preseed.cfg :-/
07:52<Onepamopa>just compiled
07:52<R0CK_>twb, I'm not asking you, so shut it up.
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07:52<Onepamopa>then created initrd
07:52<avu>R0CK_: being rude to other people here makes nobody want to help you more ;(
07:52<Onepamopa>when I boot this kernel, it gave me (initramfs) prompt
07:52<Onepamopa>and nothing..
07:52<Onepamopa>any ideas?
07:52<twb>R0CK_: either /ignore me or invoke the ops, but I caution you not to do the latter without consideration
07:52<R0CK_>He's the rude avu.
07:53<R0CK_>read the previous logs.
07:53<avu>R0CK_: As I said, maybe use a debian channel which uses your native language
07:53<avu>R0CK_: where are you from?
07:53<Onepamopa>did anyone knows what's that (initramfs) prompt ?
07:53<twb>avu: you'll feel silly if he's an American
07:53<R0CK_>American, so proud to be.
07:54<avu>twb: you#re right, I do feel a bit silly now
07:54<twb>R0CK_: your lineage merits my sympathy, but not my respect.
07:54<simonrvn>Onepamopa: stopped booting. problem booting, so dropped you to busybox shell
07:54<simonrvn>"american", heh
07:54<Onepamopa>so, what to do?
07:55<simonrvn>figure out why
07:55<Onepamopa>this is the second time that I compile new kernel ...
07:55<avu>R0CK_: And I also have to tell you that I absolutely can not help you, sorry.
07:55<Onepamopa>when I use old kernel, it works..
07:55<simonrvn>did you include --initrd in make-kpkg?
07:55<R0CK_>It's fine buddy, you're doing you best.
07:55<Onepamopa>simonrvn, yep, I did
07:55<Onepamopa>I created initrd.gz image
07:55<simonrvn>enabled initrd support in kernel?
07:55<Onepamopa>then added it to boot options of this kernel
07:55<twb>avu: actually his command of English reminds me of Xah Lee's
07:55<Onepamopa>yes, enabled
07:56<simonrvn>grub or lilo?
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07:56<simonrvn>hm, so, what happened before it dropped you there?
07:56<simonrvn>should have a bunch of output
07:56<Onepamopa>yep, I had a bunch of output
07:57<R0CK_>I'll use google, It's much better than watching your face twb.
07:57<simonrvn>ooh, so mature
07:57<Onepamopa>the last is - waiting for root something
07:57<Onepamopa>and waiting waiting.. then (initramfs)
07:57<twb>R0CK_: I am proof against your barbs, sir.
07:57<tim_flatus>Don't the majority of Americans speak Spanish these days?
07:58<twb>"If I don't understand lisp, it would be wise to not bray about how lisp is stupid or otherwise criticize, because my stupidity would be archived and open for all in the know to see." -- Xah
07:58<simonrvn>Onepamopa: forgot your rootfs support?
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07:58<simonrvn>tim_flatus: hehe
07:58<Onepamopa>simonrvn, where to find that option ?
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07:58<twb>tim_flatus: come now, .br and .ca are also in America
07:58<simonrvn>under filesystems ;).
07:58<avu>twb: that's actually better to understand IMHO.
07:58<Onepamopa>well, from filesystems I removed only xfs and minix
07:58<tim_flatus>twb: OK. Spanish AND Portuguese
07:58<Onepamopa>nothing else
07:59<Onepamopa>so I expect rootfs to be activated
07:59<simonrvn>Onepamopa: like, you have ext2 or ext3 or whatever it is built-in or loaded from the initrd?
07:59<twb>avu: how about "Because I know too much, it shown in the way I speak, and people get defensive." -- Xah Lee
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07:59<Onepamopa>simonrvn, yep
07:59<Onepamopa>root filesystem is reiserfs
07:59<simonrvn>did it load at all?
07:59<twb>(I'm quoting from my fortune file, from personal interactions with the Beast.)
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07:59<Onepamopa>so, it has reiserfs support, and all other stuff
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08:00<Onepamopa>simonrvn, I dont know, everything is a bit fast..
08:00<tim_flatus>twb: too that problem have I
08:00<Onepamopa>so I cant read ;)
08:00<avu>twb: hahaha. I still understand it better, but it's hilarious.
08:00<twb>Onepamopa: IME using anything but ext3 for / is bound to bite you on the ass later
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08:01<Onepamopa>so, you telling me that I should use ext3 instead of reiserfs ?
08:01<twb>avu: his favourite reprise was "you no unstand", by which he meant "you do not understand"
08:01<twb>Onepamopa: well, in future
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08:01<simonrvn>yeh, even jfs, hence me sticking in jfs_fsck in my initrd ;)
08:01<twb>Onepamopa: it doesn't really relate to your current trouble
08:01<Onepamopa>twb, you mean?
08:01<Onepamopa>I can format right now ;)
08:01<Onepamopa>and instalation is about 15 mins
08:01<simonrvn>(and dep libs, which aren't much)
08:01<twb>Onepamopa: your call
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08:01<Onepamopa>well, 1550 kb/s from the nearest mirror ..
08:01<Onepamopa>so it's no problem
08:02<twb>kbps or kB/s?
08:02<avu>twb: but he at least isn't a native speaker, right?
08:02<Onepamopa>twb, kb/s
08:02<simonrvn>well, without the output, i can't do much else. you're either on your own, unless you can find a way to copy that data from on-screen
08:02<Onepamopa>so, I should find that rootfs in the .config
08:02<Onepamopa>and activate it
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08:02<twb>avu: Xah is an American, ethnic Taiwanese (Chinese?)
08:02<simonrvn>no, "rootfs" is just the fs on /, nothing more
08:03<Onepamopa>simonrvn, well, dual core cpu 2x3ghz + 2gig ram ..
08:03<Onepamopa>a bit faster..
08:03<twb>>cough< overkill
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08:03<twb>So how many thousand students are you planning on serving with that beast?
08:03<Onepamopa>simonrvn, well... so it should be reiserfs
08:04<Onepamopa>and it's acitvated in the filesystem subbenu
08:04<avu>twb: cough. But, well, at least such people make me feel better about my english-as-a-second-language skills. Also, I will take my lunchbreak now. ~
08:04<simonrvn>twb: i have to make due with an old g3 and a p3/500 ;)
08:04<twb>avu: your English is orders better than my Korean, Spanish and Japanese :-(
08:05<Onepamopa>simonrvn, the thing is, that on my old mobo with amd cpu, I have compiled 4-5 kernels and they all worked
08:05<Onepamopa>and on this intel board, with intel cpu ....
08:05<simonrvn>twb: yeh? hm ok
08:05<Onepamopa>I cant use anything but the old kernel provided from netinstall
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08:05<twb>22 minute "build" time for Ubuntu, bleh
08:05<simonrvn>best thing to do is cp the one that works, then start disabling stuff you *KNOW* you don't need
08:06<Onepamopa>14 on my pc..
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08:06<Onepamopa>but it wont work ;)
08:06<twb>This is not eXtreme! sysadm
08:06<Onepamopa>simonrvn, that's what I did
08:06<simonrvn>did too much ;)
08:06<Onepamopa>how so?
08:06<simonrvn>don't work no more ;)
08:06<Onepamopa>bleh.. so.. ?
08:07<simonrvn>start over with another .config
08:07<Onepamopa>ghh, I hate when kernel dont work ;)
08:07<twb>simonrvn: are you gonna study war some more?
08:07<interbird>Onepamopa: Are you using initrd or initramfs ?
08:07<Onepamopa>simonrvn, well, I have config from (stock kernel)
08:07<simonrvn>twb: mm?
08:07<Onepamopa>but when I try to compile with it..
08:07<Onepamopa>it wont work
08:07<Onepamopa>interbird, initramfs
08:08<twb>simonrvn: never mind
08:08<Onepamopa>e.g. mkinitrd bla -o bla
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08:08<twb>NP: Down by the Riverside by Michael White
08:08<simonrvn>hm, random thought, did the boot order change *again*?
08:09<interbird>Onepamopa, initrd thus, mkinitramfs is used to create an initramfs.
08:09<twb>What does Myrphy's Razor suggest?
08:09<Onepamopa>interbird, well, ininrd.gz is created with mkinitrd
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08:09<Onepamopa>I have done this 5-6 times
08:09<Onepamopa>on my old pc
08:09<interbird>Onepamopa: That is not initramfs
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08:10<Onepamopa>well, what is it ?
08:10<Onepamopa>twb, that's what I use
08:10<interbird>Onepamopa: man mkinitramfs
08:10<simonrvn>for sure, they're not the same
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08:10<twb>interbird: bah, update-initramfs -u -k all
08:10<Onepamopa>alright, I'll check them
08:11<interbird>twb: oops, just awake, you're right !
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08:11<interbird>Onepamopa: Did you try the command twb suggests ?
08:11<Onepamopa>twb, so, this should find thatewer needs to find
08:11<Onepamopa>interbird, no, I'm at work right now
08:11<twb>Onepamopa: that depends on how badly you custom kernel is broken
08:12<Onepamopa>twb, well, when compile, it have me some __memcpy_bla_ errors
08:12<Onepamopa>but it compiles anyways
08:12<GhostlyDeath__>errors stop compilation
08:12<twb>Onepamopa: I assume you are using make-kernel or whatever it's called
08:12<Onepamopa>yep, but I dont know what are they
08:13<Onepamopa>nope, make menuconfig, then make
08:13<Onepamopa>and so..
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08:13<twb>Mebbe I sit down and type with hands again
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08:16<interbird>Onepamopa: Where excacly is the boot process stalling?
08:16<twb>Even if the free coffee and snacks quantum tunnel through the door, your head is facing the wrong way.
08:17<Onepamopa>waiting for root fs or something like that
08:17<Onepamopa>but I'm not @ home right now to tell you the exact text
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08:18<Onepamopa>blah, that initramfs should be automated...
08:18<interbird>ah, that makes further investigation a bit difficult...
08:18<Onepamopa>interbird, yep.. so tomorrow
08:18<Onepamopa>I'm 24h @ work rightnow
08:19<interbird>I like your work :-)
08:19<Onepamopa>yep, I like my payment ;)
08:19<Onepamopa>work too ;>
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08:20<Onepamopa>~500$ is GOOD in bulgaria ;)
08:20<dpkg>okay, Onepamopa
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08:24<themill>!waiting for the root filesystem
08:24<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
08:24<interbird>Onepamopa: For initrd to work cramfs has to be enabled as built-in .config file systems misc
08:24<themill>O\work: ^^
08:25<twb>The thing that gets me is that one of the arguments that landed Robert Morris, author of "the internet worm" in jail was all the sysadmins' time his prank cost. Yet the author of sendmail is still walking around [free]. -- Nicolas Pioch
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08:45<O\work>themill, 10x
08:45<O\work>Ill check it tommorow
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08:45<themill>np, good luck with it :)
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08:46<twb>I hate being coerced into using Ubuntu on customer laptops just because they prefer it to Debian for the chrome :-/
08:47<twb>The useless gronks don't stick to policy
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08:49<themill>twb: use debtakeover while the customer isn't looking and give gnome a new theme...
08:50<themill>twb: actually, they might notice that it doesn't crash as often...
08:50<O\work>ahah ;)
08:50<twb>themill: I can't find that package
08:51<dpkg>debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
08:51<themill>hmmm... it's a bit ancient
08:51<twb>So it's basically a cdebootstrap wrapper
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08:52<themill>hmm... looks like... I had thought it was a little more clever than that :(
08:53<twb>themill: actually the laptops ship with FreeDOS, and our customers give THEIR customers Ubuntu by using my preseed voodoo
08:53<twb>And oem-config blows.
08:53<themill>oh dear.... sounds painful.
08:54<twb>Well, it's a lot better than giving them Windows and cashing out to Redmond
08:54<themill>I actually got a literally empty hard disk on the last laptop I bought. Didn't even have freedos on it.
08:54<twb>But I have a deep-seated need to complain
08:54<twb>themill: the custom-built boxes we're deploying in prisons don't have any hard disk :-)
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08:55<themill>sounds like an interesting project.
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09:07<filemover>is it possible to extract only part of a tar archive
09:08<twb>filemover: yes.
09:08<twb>tar x foo/bar
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09:08<filemover>ive filtered it through bzip
09:08<twb>tar xj foo/bar
09:08<filemover>thats simple
09:09<twb>You understand that foo/bar is the part to extract
09:09<filemover>so its tar xj foo/bar file.tar.bz2
09:10<filemover>in this case im extracing a thunderbird profile from a system archive i have
09:11<interbird>filemover: using midnight commander (mc) you can easily extract individual files and dirs from a tar
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09:12<twb>filemover: no.
09:12<twb>tar xj foo/bar <baz.tar.bz2
09:12<filemover>this archve is huge though
09:13<filemover>its over 3 gig
09:13<twb>Or tar xjf baz.tar.bz2 foo/bar
09:13<interbird>then don't use mc
09:13<filemover>and it has to load into memory
09:13<filemover>a simple tar command will suffice
09:13<twb>interbird: emacs can do that too, fyi
09:14<interbird>thx for the info
09:14<twb>interbird: see jka-compr
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09:15<fxiny>hello : mnogosearch-sqlite overwrites an already installed cgi in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ called search.cgi (which btw is jswishi ) with its own "generic" cgi called "search.cgi" without giving any warnings
09:15<filemover>ive tried to extract the directory using ark but it takes forever to load
09:15<fxiny>i have one more indexing cgi in there : swish-e swish.cgi . wouldn't be nice if mnogosearch call its cgi accordingly ? ,imho search is too generic .
09:15<twb>fxiny: that's not possible
09:16<twb>fxiny: dpkg will abort unless you've configured it to ignore path conflicts
09:16<fxiny>twb: this is what happened : i had backups
09:16<twb>filemover: this is because tar stores its listings incrementally throughout the entire archive
09:17<twb>filemover: thus it has to decompress the entire archive
09:17<filemover>i thought as much
09:17<filemover>its trying to load 3 gig inot 1 gig of memory
09:17<twb>It might be interesting if GNU tar implemented an extension such that it kept a redundant copy at the end of the file
09:17<fxiny>twb: mnosgosearch just asked for permission to overwrite its onw config
09:17<twb>filemover: not necessarily
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09:18<filemover>there has to be safety funcs in the code id say
09:18<twb>filemover: but even simply decompressing the file and piping it to /dev/null will take minutes
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09:18<fxiny>ls /usr/lib/cgi-bin > search.cgi swish2.cgi swish.cgi
09:18<fxiny>search.cgi is jswishi
09:19<twb>fxiny: reportbug
09:19<filemover>if its decompressed to /dev/null what do u get then just screen output
09:19<twb>filemover: no, you get nothing
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09:20<interbird>unless v is specified
09:20<filemover>someone should write some code to index the archive so you can see what is it and then you can choose what u want and it will extract it via tar
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09:20<twb>filemover: tar -t
09:21<twb>As I said, 00:17 <twb> It might be interesting if GNU tar implemented an extension such that it kept a redundant copy at the end of the file
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09:21<twb>(copy [of the listing])
09:21<filemover>i see
09:21<filemover>like metadata
09:21<twb>Being old, the tar format probably lacks the necessary "vendor use" area.
09:22<twb>filemover: it IS metadata
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09:22<filemover>maybe it could do wiht a face lift
09:22<filemover>i dont know enough about C or c++ to do it yet
09:22<filemover>but its an interesting project
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09:23<filemover>bring tar into the 21st century lol
09:23<twb>Do be quiet
09:24<Eulex>filemover, rewrite/extend all existing implementations of tar lol?
09:24<UnderControl> /mode #channel +b nickmask!*foo@hostmask
09:25<twb>UnderControl: I don't know what you meant to do there, but you didn't.
09:25<O\work>he's hacking ;)
09:25<twb>O\work: hardly.
09:25<O\work>ahah ;)
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09:26<filemover>compiz is pretty amazing
09:26<UnderControl>twb, i find hiden my ip
09:26<O\work>UnderControl, you find what?!?
09:27<themill>[Whois] UnderControl is ~Under@ (Under Control)
09:27<twb>Compiz is a horrible UI
09:27<UnderControl>hide my Ip
09:27<O\work>UnderControl, we can see your ip
09:27<O\work>don't worry
09:27<filemover>well it works well with emerald
09:27<twb>UnderControl: because we work for the government
09:27<O\work>UnderControl, why do you want to hide your ip ?
09:28<interbird>twb: :-)
09:28<filemover>and Uncle Bill has nothing like it in his bag of tricks
09:28<O\work>you have illegal materials in your hard drive? :>
09:29<twb>" is just begging for police investigation." "Dont worry! It's porn *for* children!" --
09:29<interbird>s/bag of tricks/bag stolen goods
09:29<twb>filemover: you wound me.
09:29<filemover>kiddies looking at porn thats a new one
09:30<O\work>filemover, that's normal
09:30<O\work>12-13-14 years old girls watching porn
09:30<filemover>no im talking toddlers here
09:31<filemover>u know cereal on your shirt
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09:31<filemover>youve seen one porn pic youve seen em all
09:35<filemover>I think ive just been infected with somethng in debian
09:35<filemover>firefox comes up with a black screen
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09:39<filemover>its ok compiz crashed :(((
09:40<mosty>anyone here ever managed to compile comedi/comedilib?
09:40<userir>yes i do
09:41<mosty>which kernel version? and did you compile with rtai or rtlinux?
09:41<filemover>ive got a problem with quanta everytime type the "Ü" character into a web page using it the character gets mangled can anyone help thnx
09:41<userir>latest kernel are not ok i used 2.6.17 with rtai
09:42<mosty>userir, which version of rtai and which version of comedi?
09:42<O\work>filemover, my compiz is working fine.. no crashes
09:42<O\work>I'm lucky ;)
09:42<twb>filemover: fix your damn locale?
09:43<filemover>ive got installed all the english speaking lpcales
09:43<userir>rtai 3.5 comedi 0.7.73 comedilib 0.7.22
09:43<userir>i remember having troubles with pcmcia cards; btw i only used pci cards
09:43<userir>from NI
09:43<twb>compiz crashing should not take your apps with it
09:44<twb>What a ridiculous .xsession you must have
09:44<mosty>userir, ahh crap :( i have to get an ni pcmcia card to work
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09:45<userir>mosty : this was some months ago, maybe there is a next release..
09:45<filemover>what happened was i clicked a link in an email i recieved and the website kicked a window that was completely black and after that everytime I used firefox that same black window came up I rebooted and now is all ok
09:45<fxiny>twb: done it
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09:46<mosty>userir, i have tried lots of different comedi releases, they all seem broken in different ways. kernel 2.6.17 with rtai 3.5 and comedi 0.7.5 is the closest i think i got
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09:47<mosty>with comedi 0.7.3 cb_das16_cs won't compile (not i don't need it do, i only need ni_mio_cs)
09:47<filemover>so twb do i define a systemwide locale to fix it or u think a .bashrc defined one is better
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09:47<twb>filemover: it depends on whether your app is retarded as to whether munging .bashrc will work
09:48<twb>filemover: since it's a GUI and it doesn't already work OOTB, it's probably that your app is very retarded
09:48<filemover>well Quanta has a pretty good reputation
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09:49<twb>So does MySQL
09:49<twb>But it's still shit
09:49<filemover>the problem is on another machine Ill try quanta on here and see if its different
09:50<filemover>i thought php and mysql apache is the standard these days
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09:51<userir>mosty: hum i did not investigat pcmcia since i did not need this but i remember having to modify comedi_fops.c in order to get someting ok
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09:52<twb>filemover: only for retards
09:52<twb>Which unfortunately constitutes most of the population.
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09:52<mosty>userir, hmm ok. comedi 0.7.75 builds the module i need at least, but then it fails to compile addi_apci_035.o
09:52<filemover>so what would be the best database server then
09:53<twb>MySQL isn't really a database OOTB
09:53<twb>It's just a database interface on top of some binary files
09:53<filemover>is postgress opnesource
09:53<filemover>can i run phpbb through it
09:54<petemc>you'll find most people use mysql for that
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09:54<twb>Don't use PHP, it's Wrong.
09:54<twb>Like sleeping with your sister, but more so
09:54<filemover>phpbb uses php
09:54<sheldonh>filemover: that's like your sister sleeping with your cousin
09:55<twb>sheldonh: cousins are ok
09:55<sheldonh>twb: which is why so many people use phpbb
09:55<twb>It works for the royal families
09:55<filemover>im being educated now
09:55<gsimmons_>filemover: phpBB can access a PostgreSQL database, FYI.
09:55<sheldonh>twb: problem is, you still end up sleeping with your sister
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09:55<filemover>k thnx
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09:56<filemover>then the world would be really retarded with all inbreds walking arround
09:57<twb>filemover: you should be using an NNTP server, possibly with a web gateway
09:57<twb>web forums are Wrong
09:57<fxiny>twb: hehehe : i had to find an unused emai address but wt4x ! reportbug rocks ! >> #448622
09:57<twb>fxiny: ...indeed.
09:57<twb>reportbug is One More Reason not to use Ubuntu
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09:58<filemover>nntp is news not html
09:58<twb>fxiny: while you're at it, check out "bts subscribe"
09:58<fxiny>twb: exactly : it did as i wanted : *that* email and not my own . pretty safe :)
09:58<twb>filemover: correct; it is a protocol DESIGNED for news services.
09:59<fxiny>twb: subscribe ? i am already susbribed since ages to some debian lists
09:59<twb>filemover: as opposed to a shitty one-size-fucks-all web UI on top of a NIH clone of a news server
09:59<filemover>so u want to squeeze it through a web gateway
09:59<twb>fxiny: now read what it does.
09:59<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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10:00<twb>Unless you can suggest a web forum that supports multiple, user-programmable UIs, including at least one that can be readily accessed by the visually impaired?
10:01<ellenb>are there any known issues with Promise FastTrack controllers?
10:01<fxiny>twb: bloody nice indeed : i'll put on a better email address next time :)
10:01<twb>Implicit is the assumption that it has powerful killfile facilities and also caching proxy features.
10:02<twb>ellenb: probably; have you googled for the lspci output?
10:02<twb>ellenb: is it a fakeraid device; I don't remember.
10:03<filemover>no i tried quanta on this machine still the same thing look at the welcome heading its supposed to be "Welcome to Übershare"
10:04<filemover>but i can paste it in here and it comes out perfect
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10:05<themill>filemover: that page is so full of html errors it's not funny....
10:06<filemover>whats wrong with it lol
10:06<themill>head is closed twice for starters... but there are plenty of others
10:07<themill>filemover: it's also a mix of html and xhtml
10:07<filemover>ive chopped and changed that page so much that it looks like a dogs breakfast
10:08<twb>aptitude install tidy
10:08<themill>filemover: that's a polite description of that page... tidy will help you a lot there
10:08<filemover>whats tidy
10:08<twb>filemover: fucking find out
10:08<themill>!info tidy
10:08<themill>dpkg: you're slow
10:08<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
10:08<twb>If it was up to me, browsers would refuse to render invalid pages
10:08<dpkg>tidy: (HTML syntax checker and reformatter), section web, is optional. Version: 20051018-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
10:09<twb>Maybe then authors would get their shit togeter
10:09<themill>filemover: I also suggest that you define the encoding of the page. UTF-8 is a good choice.
10:10<filemover>that could be the problem
10:10<themill>filemover: but you might like to actually use UTF-8 :)
10:10<twb>I would also like to take this opportunity to grumble about bloody Japanese authors not explicitly declaring their pages as EUC encoded
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10:10<ckd>servus weiß einer wie ich den ANSI zeichensatz von in windows geschreiben Perlprogrammen korrrekt mit kate/krite anzeigen kann
10:10<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:11<filemover>so what do i do start the page with tidy and it sorts it out
10:11<twb>It's 1am... should I walk home (which will take three hours), or wait until 6am when the trains run?
10:11<twb>filemover: man tidy
10:11<themill>twb: just stay until 6am... you can do 5 more hours on #d that way....
10:11<twb>themill: meh
10:12<twb>themill: I've drunk my fill of fools this day
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10:13<twb>Also I can't do much real work because 1) I'm trying to elegantly solve a problem that cannot be solved elegantly; and 2) I'm supposed to stop using darcs and start using hg, and while hg may not be O(n^n) time, it's UI is fucking awful
10:13<twb>And also I can't use the central hg server because I don't have root.
10:13<themill>filemover: actually, if I force iceweasel to look at your site in UTF-8, then the "Welcome to" line is correctly rendered, but your logo is not; if I leave it as the default ISO8859-1, then it's the other way around. You have a bad mix and will be larted for it.
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10:14<twb>filemover: pastebin the output of `locale'
10:14<themill>twb: sounds like you are over-caffinated and under-rested.
10:14<filemover>if i define UTF-8 in the page will the same thing happen
10:14<twb>Well, I only got up at 1pm
10:15<twb>But I've been trying to elegantify this thing for two weeks
10:15<themill>filemover: yes. Your page is currently inconsistently encoded.
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10:15<themill>filemover: for more ideas about what you need to do, /msg dpkg mysql utf8
10:16<twb>Also I've been grudgingly using vmware this month and boy is it full of not-quite-showstopper bugs.
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10:16<twb>For example, if it has the keyboard grabbed when xscreensaver activates, you get locked out of X and need to restart your X session
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10:17<filemover>LC_ALL is not set
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10:17<twb>That is correct.
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10:17<twb>So we've demonstrated it's your app's fault
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10:18<twb>Look in it's configuration for an encoding setting'
10:18<themill>twb: vmware ouchness. That's ugly. you could ssh in or chvt across to kill xscreensaver couldn't you?
10:18<twb>themill: xscreensaver is running locally
10:19<themill>twb: yes... ssh in to the main box (not the vm) and pkill xscreensaver
10:19<filemover>im not using mysql on the web page though
10:19<twb>I'm using vmware-server-console because I'm working on netbooting and netinst procedures -- thus sshd is not active
10:19<twb>Note that my workstation is running vmware-server-console, but not vmware.
10:19<weasel>I should figure out how to get d-i to install sshd
10:19<twb>weasel: one moment
10:19<weasel>I know it's possible somehow, but I never got around to doing it
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10:20<twb>weasel: do you already have a preseed file?
10:20<qwe>How to run Iceweasel (Firefox) with Java? With sun-java5-plugin sun-java6-plugin it hangs.
10:20<weasel>twb: no
10:20<weasel>twb: I don't mind the installer being interactive - over ssh.
10:21<twb>qwe: that is a bug; report it.
10:21<fxiny>qwe: sun java 6 works
10:21<twb>weasel: oh, that's not possible.
10:21<weasel>twb: lies :)
10:21<weasel>twb: there is an sshd udeb
10:21<twb>weasel: I thought you wanted sshd to be installed and started during install
10:21<twb>Well, FSVO not possible = not AFAIK
10:21<petemc>it surely is
10:22<weasel>maybe netconsole is the magic google word. /me tries it
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10:22<petemc>oh, its network console, sorry
10:23[~]weasel reads
10:23<fxiny>qwe: unistall sun-java5-plugin and use update-alternatives
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10:25<filemover>37 warning no errors with tidy
10:25<themill>filemover: not with the file that you showed us on the web there isn't.... it's full of errors
10:26<filemover>well thats what tidy said
10:26<sheldonh>yikes, debsecan without --ony-fixed is looking a little scary
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10:29<filemover>this tidy app gives a lot of info
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10:31<fxiny>twb: there are no bugs with java6/iceweasel on etch : it works fine
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10:54<filemover>schools out
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10:55<Aleric>How can I mount an old msdos floppy?
10:56<petemc>tried doing it without passing any arguments to mount?
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10:56<Aleric>Oh, I got it
10:58[~]Aleric is reading floppies from 1993... they still mount :)
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11:00<DTE>hi all
11:00<vortex_>any ideas on how to get my sound working, i've tried alsaconf and then alsamixer and still nothing.
11:01<DTE>i have a big problem with debian, drbd, ocfs2 and an hp server
11:01<DTE>it reboot itself without errors
11:01<Aleric>vortex_: Did alsaconf detect your soundcard?
11:01<interbird>vortex_: the /dev/dsp device is present ?
11:01<vortex_>it brang up 3 options
11:02<vortex_>and i have a sound blaster audigy ls so i used that
11:02<vortex_>which is what worked in slackware
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11:02<vortex_>let me check /dev/dsp
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11:02<vortex_>its a bunch of garbaged text
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11:03<Aleric>vortex_: does lsmod | grep snd output a module name that looks like the correct one for your card?
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11:04<vortex_>its bringing up the via technology audio controller
11:04<interbird>vortex_: right-click the speaker icon in gnome taskbar and choose preferences. is PCM selected? or try another if it is
11:05<vortex_>dont have a speaker icon...
11:05<Aleric>vortex_: please put the output of: lsmod | grep snd on a paste site
11:05<interbird>vortex_: also check alsaguimixer that no mute is active
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11:05<themill>vortex_: skip esd/artsd/gstreamer/xmms stuff at this stage and stick to the alsa toolkit... when you say it doesn't work, what have you tried?
11:06<Aleric>I suppose his kernel modules are ok if /dev/dsp exists...
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11:06<themill>interbird: there are some soundcards where you have to mute channels to get them to work :)
11:06<lupine_85>there are all sorts of freaky soundcards
11:06<Aleric>vortex_: And this via82xx is a soundcard that you have, but it is not the correct one?
11:07<padski>DTE: what versions ?
11:07<lupine_85>that's an onboard one, normally
11:07<vortex_>speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2 -t wav
11:07<vortex_>thats what i was testing with
11:07<interbird>themill: is that so? seems logical :)
11:07<vortex_>i wanted to use the soundblaster audigy ls
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11:08<vortex_>never even knew there was another soundcard in this pc
11:08<lupine_85>blacklist the snd_via82xx module then
11:08<vortex_>interbird, by the way, thanks for helping me get my browsers to work again last night :)
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11:09<vortex_>how do i do that?
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11:09<themill>interbird: yes, unfortunately. There's an "external amplifier" switch that needs muting to get sound out of the speakers as opposed to the headphone jack on some cards. Ugly.
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11:09<Aleric>vortex: What is the content of /etc/modprobe.d/sound ?
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11:10<Beau>Hi, may somebody help me set up BIND9 on my debian server?
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11:10<interbird>themill: wow, one could have a 'long seek-time' before discovering that. good to know !
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11:11<DTE>padski: you mean debian or drbd?
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11:12<themill>interbird: yep... I did :( Actually. it was a case of while true; do aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav; done and then frig with levels and mutes at random in alsamixer until my machine suddenly started mooing.
11:12<vortex_>addai:/home/vortex# cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound
11:12<vortex_>alias snd-card-0 snd-ca0106
11:12<vortex_>options snd-ca0106 index=0
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11:12<padski>DTE: I was thinking all of it.
11:12<bobo>ho un problema forse semplice
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11:13<Aleric>vortex_: That is the correct one?
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11:13<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
11:13<bobo>thanks a lot!
11:13<Aleric>vortex_: That looks okay then. It's loaded too, and in use.
11:14<Aleric>07 snd_ca0106 28708 2
11:14<vortex_>i dont get it, its the same configuration i was using in slackware and it worked
11:14<DTE>padski: debian etch/ drbd 8.0.6/ heartbeat 2.1.2 from unstable /kernel
11:15<DTE>everything was running smootly till few days ago
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11:15<Aleric>vortex_: Does ls /proc/asound show more than one cardX/ directory?
11:15<DTE>if i send a lot of emails to the cluster, one it just reboots itself
11:15<vortex_>card0 and cards
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11:16<interbird>themill: pfew! and who said cows were only good for milk :-)
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11:16<Aleric>vortex_: That is weird. What is the content of /proc/asound/cards ?
11:16<padski>DTE: and its a pair of hp boxes ?
11:16<themill>interbird: heh... I actually have that in ~/bin/moo ... it keeps officemates amused when I'm playing with sound levels...
11:17<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
11:17<DTE>padski: one hp and a smal box for testing
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11:17<DTE>the problem is that the hp is always rebooting itselfs
11:17<DTE>the hp is new
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11:17<vortex_>addai:/home/vortex# ls /proc/asound/cards
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11:19<padski>DTE: and this is just a spontaneous hardware reboot, nothing logged, nothing to see. you don't have reboot on panic ???
11:19<Aleric>vortex_: If the wrong card is listed in /proc/asound/cards, then try as root: /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload; modprobe snd_ca0106 snd_pcm_oss
11:19<Aleric>vortex_: cat /proc/asound/cards of course
11:19<Aleric>The contents
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11:20<vortex_>addai:/home/vortex# cat /proc/asound/cards
11:20<vortex_> 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106
11:20<vortex_> AudigyLS [SB0310] at 0xe000 irq 177
11:20<vortex_>its listing the right one ;\
11:20<DTE>padski: how can i check reboot on panic?
11:20<Aleric>vortex: then it must be a mixer problem
11:20[~]interbird 's box is mooing the roof of the building
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11:20<padski>DTE: I forget. I think you can set it as a boot parameter.
11:20<Aleric>try unmuting etc, run alsamixer hit F3 and slide everything up and unmute everything ;)
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11:21<DTE>padski: now i cannot check because the box is stalled
11:21<DTE>but on the other server is off
11:21<DTE>cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic
11:21<DTE>and the ocnf of both was the same
11:22<themill>vortex_: in one terminal, as root, run "while true; do aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav; done" and in another terminal run alsamixer and frig with the levels and mute settings ....
11:22<vortex_>everythings unmuted except for the headphones and mic
11:22<vortex_>unmute them asa well?
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11:22<DTE>i'm thinking about a hardware problem, but with so complicated setup i fear that something is not in order
11:23<Aleric>vortex_: well, most thing make no sense - you can try to unmute everthing untill you get sound - then put those back that don't make a difference
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11:24<Aleric>vortex_: I suppose you only need Master, Headphones perhaps, AC97, PCM, wave and whatever source you want (ie, Line, Mic or whatever). PCM being likely the source you are using anyway (any music player)
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11:24<themill>vortex_: what are you using to test the output? aplay as root?
11:24<vortex_>hrm, getting nothing and everythings turned on
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11:25<Aleric>Are you sure you have plugged in a working amplifier or headphones in the right plug?
11:25<themill>vortex_: I presume aplay isn't producing any errors
11:25<Aleric>The output would the green plug of the correct soundcard ;)
11:25<padski>DTE: Is there another asymetry, aside from the hardware, that you can reverse ?
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11:26<mfk>i wanna ask a question
11:26<DTE>padski: i just installed today the hp software to monitor the situation, but then nothing else
11:26<mfk>i wanna use virtual windows on my ubuntu 7.10
11:26<mfk>but whic is good
11:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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11:26<mfk>vmware server or workstation
11:27<mfk>sorry dpkg
11:27<themill>mfk: we'll help you with debian questions, but vmware is non-free and not relayed to debian, and ubuntu is not debian either.... wrong place to ask :(
11:27<mfk>sorry themill
11:27<padski>DTE: I was thinking, you spoke about it receiving emails. which side ? both ?
11:28<DTE>padski: yes both...ldirectord is making load balancing
11:28<vortex_>Aleric yeah i'm sure, it works fine when i boot into windows
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11:30<Aleric>vortex_: At this point I can only think of trying this: remove any ~/.asoundrc if you have those... reboot, check again if /proc/asound/cards is correct, run again alsamixer to unmute everything and turn the sliders up. If it still not works, then I have no ideas left.
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11:30<padski>DTE: hmm. tough. ... considered trying to reproduce with some sort of synthetic workload to stress it ? I take it you are confident in the HP hardware. try gfs instead :-) ask on one of the upstream mailing lists? the drbd list is very good ...
11:31<vortex_>i'll try that in a minute, thanks for the help Aleric
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11:31<DTE>padski: actually we order almost just hp....gfs i don't know...if the proble is ocfs2 then i revert to master/slave mode
11:32<DTE>i sent an email to drbd list...let's hope
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11:45<Aleric>Geesh, I'm reading the man page of 'wipe'. That guy is totally nuts.
11:46<Aleric>Paranoid in extreme.
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11:46<petemc>more so than the boot and nuke guy?
11:46<petemc>tho i think he just follows NSA standards..
11:47<petemc>dariks boot n nuke
11:47<Aleric>From the wipe man page: I hereby speculate that harddisks can use the spare remapping area to secretly make copies of your data. Rising totalitarianism makes this almost a certitude. It is quite straightforward to implement some simple filtering schemes that would copy potentially interesting data. Better, a harddisk can probably detect that a given file is being wiped, and silently make a copy of it, while wiping the origin
11:47<Aleric>al as instructed.
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11:47<Aleric>Recovering such data is probably easily done with secret IDE/SCSI commands. My guess is that there are agreements between harddisk manufacturers and government agencies. Well-funded mafia hackers should then be able to find those secret commands too.
11:47<petemc>paranoia is a requirement for people working in some areas
11:48<Aleric>Of course this shifts the trust to the computing system, the CPU, and so on. I guess there are also "traps" in the CPU and, in fact, in every sufficiently advanced mass-marketed chip. Wealthy nations can find those. Therefore these are mainly used for criminal investigation and "control of public dissent".
11:48<Aleric>Putting that in a debian man page goes too far for me. It's ridiculous.
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11:49<JasonS>Aleric: watch out for the black helecopters, got your tinfoil hat on? ;)
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11:50<padski>Aleric: you see that recently where the FBI got a wiretap off some mafia guys through their mobile phones. even though the phones were switched "off".
11:51<Aleric>I suspect there is an invisible black helicopter that makes no noise hanging in front of my window right now... I feel something when I look at it... Besides, it's hardly possible otherwise after I pasted those lines on IRC - unencrypted and all :/
11:51<Aleric>padski: I suppose they replaced the mobile phones first then.
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11:52<padski>Aleric: no it was some kind of crack. IIRC reported as not all that sophisticated.
11:53<padski>I had trouble googling up the story
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11:55<padski>got it.
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12:02<DTE>padski: anyway the problem was the ocfs2 partition
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12:15<backdraft>How do I export the gnome menu to fluxbox?
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12:17<Aleric>Hmm, I need to transfer the timestamp of a file by mouse (copy and paste)
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12:18<Aleric>So, I need to something copyable (UTC in seconds?), and a way to use that again for 'touch'
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12:19<hugo_>ola a todos
12:19<padski>is there a way to get a cached value in forwarder dns server (that I don't control) to update ?
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12:19<themill>Aleric: man 1 stat
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12:19<interbird>touch -r file-with-reference-date file-to-set-date-on
12:19<themill>Aleric: I think ;)
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12:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:20<Aleric>interbird: and how would I get file-with-reference-date ? :p
12:21<themill>Aleric: well, you have that file... that's the one that you want to copy.
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12:21<hugo_>please how install ati xpress200 in debian
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12:25<fous>has any one mest around with lvm on debian?
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12:25<petemc>fous: lots of people use it
12:25<fous>I no but im new to it
12:25<lupine_85>lvm ftw!!
12:26<fous>Logical Volume Manager
12:26<fous>I have a bunch of drives
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12:26<fous>and wondering whats the best way to setup debian server
12:26<lupine_85>there is no "best" way
12:26<fous>petemc I would like some help
12:27<petemc>try asking a real question
12:27<fous>well then if I set up lvm will I loose my data
12:27<petemc>make looser?
12:27<lupine_85>you could LVM all the physical drives together to get a giant logical volume, but then if a single drive dies, you might lose it all
12:27<Eulex>not if you back it up first.
12:27<@Ganneff>you have to erase the harddiscs, yes
12:27<@Ganneff>thats what one has backups for
12:27<fous>why ashit ok
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12:27<lupine_85>and RAID :)_
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12:28<@Ganneff>lupine_85: no
12:28[~]interbird interbird wonders what's the best way to write in space; a $100.000 ink-pen or a pencil
12:28<fous>I have right now raid 0 but im not to happy for the fact I can loose my data
12:28<JasonS>interbird: pencil most likely but the pen in way cooler
12:28<lupine_85>interbird: the pen
12:28<@Ganneff>fous: lvm wont help you then. its not a raid thing.
12:28<fous>o ok
12:28<fous>well I don't want raid
12:28[~]Aleric had RAID 5, works fine.
12:28<interbird>there you go: two "best ways" :-)
12:29<fous>I got 1tb free
12:29<fous>4 250 hatachi
12:29<petemc>i use raid 1 on everything
12:29[~]JasonS owns one of those "space" pens too, very geeky
12:29<jagerman>I had one of those, but I seem to have lost it :(
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12:30[~]Aleric forgot the difference between raid 0 and 1.
12:30<Aleric>Is raid 1 increasing speed or size?
12:30<Eulex>fous, there's always a risk you might lose your data. the task is to minimize the risk.
12:30<lupine_85>the problem with pencils is that you have to sharpen them
12:30<jagerman>Aleric: RAID1 mirrors, RAID0 isn't "R" at all.
12:30<fous>I think speed
12:30<sasha>hi i m in debian testing , i would like to set a pinning priority to an unofficial stable repository , how can i do that ? i ve writen a pinning rule with o= in preferences but the stable rule is dominant regarding apt-cache policy . could some expert help me ?
12:30<jagerman>lupine_85: Mechanical pencils!
12:30<lupine_85>they break too easily. I haet them :D
12:31<fous>eulex: yes ur right thats what I mean by the best solution
12:31<fous>I don't want a windows box
12:31<fous>that software eee
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12:31<lupine_85>well, LVM with two drives only doubles your risk of data loss
12:31<fous>o lupine 85 thank you
12:32<fous>eule thank you
12:32<lupine_85>and I'm not even being sarcastic :)
12:32<fous>look I been messing with free nas on older system but I want more control
12:32<Aleric>sasha: Read all of that - it should be enough. If all else fails, you can ask me again in a few hours :p (I wrote it)
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12:33<fous>I mest with different distros of linux but I really like debian and its very secure
12:33<fous>I just had a raid problem
12:33<lupine_85>raid on top of lvm (or lvm on top of raid) is quite solid win if you have a bunch of old hard drives
12:33<fous>but I found how to fix it
12:33<fous>yeah well right now I have about almost 3 tb
12:34<@Ganneff>lupine_85: raid on top of lvm is a bit broken
12:34<fous>I have a friends that I did a job for and he gave me this computer. it was home made raid
12:34<fous>when i looked inside ooow
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12:34<fous>but i really fell in love with debian
12:35<fous>i need as much input because I am moving around 700 gb and i don't want to loose my data
12:35<fous>i am about to setup the debian serve
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12:36<fous>you think I should use the raid control just and a controler and have
12:36<fous>the hard drive just be readable
12:36<fous>no raid no software raid ?
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12:37<fous>lupine_85 , eulex
12:37<@Ganneff>you should use whatever is best for your situation.
12:37<fous>ok I will do what I have to do then
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12:38<fous>does anyone know how to use debian v4 ip mascque ?
12:38<fous>or find older versions of debian?
12:39<fous>would like to mask my ip
12:39<fous>use debian as a router
12:39<petemc>the ipmasq package can do that with minimal fuss
12:39<fous>on v4?
12:40<fous>oooow thanks you petemc
12:40<fous>sorry if im a noob
12:40<petemc>tho it masquerades, rather than masks
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12:40<fous>o ok
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12:41<fous>so then whats a good way to block ip... right now i am using dd-wrt on a router
12:41<petemc>that sounds like a perfectly fine way
12:41<fous>ok I have to look in to that
12:42<sasha>pff i can t understand my windows client don t want to connect to a debian samba server , it is always asking a pass and none works , what is the problem
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12:42<petemc>sasha: have you used smbpasswd?
12:42<fous>whats ur root pw
12:42<petemc>fous: dont be silly
12:42<fous>o lol
12:42<fous>well I used samba server on free nas
12:42<fous>and suse
12:43<fous>slax ware
12:43<petemc>fous: this channel is for debian support, not general commentary
12:43<fous>o i didn't no then answer this
12:43<interbird>sasha: be sure the workgroup-name in your /etc/samba/smb.conf is the same as on the windows-box and say guest ok = yes in /etc/samba/smb.conf
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12:44<interbird>sasha: also, add your user as a linux-user with useradd and as a samba user with smbpasswd -a like petemc suggested
12:44<fous>why when I setup raid 0 and debian read it as scsi drive and when I tried to format in terminal it just freezes?
12:45<petemc>fous: creating filesystems on large devices can be a time consuming process
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12:45<fous>yeah true but still
12:45<fous>the megaraid i4 I believe the drivers for that controler on v4 was taken out
12:45<fous>I waked for like few hours
12:45<petemc>no, i use etch on many megaraid devices
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12:46<fous>petemc what u mean
12:46<fous>I did a search in google
12:46<petemc>i have dell poweredge servers that use various megaraid drivers
12:47<petemc>i do recall some issues with fs creation freezing..
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12:47<fous>then what did u think I did wrong?
12:47<petemc>i think i used a knoppix cd to create the fs, the ran the installer again
12:47<fous>really that worked ?
12:47<petemc>it surely did
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12:47<fous>how big is the file system
12:47<petemc>this is a while back, may have been a pre release etch
12:48<fous>o ok
12:48<petemc>over 500 gig
12:48<fous>I read that debain had a problem with raid 0 using that controler
12:48<fous>with useing v4
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12:48<fous>sorry for my spelling running on no sleep
12:49<fous>found firmware that works with ubuntu for the controler
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12:50<fous>and flash it see where that leaves me and just the hard drives be readable
12:50<fous>put apache and open vpn
12:51<petemc>if you're using ubuntu, some or all of what you're told here may not apply - you should ask in #ubuntu on freenode
12:51<fous>is there anything u recommend and pkg that I should install
12:52<fous>well the ubuntu was just for the raid control I not using ubuntu as a server
12:52<petemc>how does that work?
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12:53<fous>well they said to get the older firmware and install debian I think find the live cd to test it out
12:53<fous>and then I am going to net install debian
12:53<petemc>older firmware, for the perc controller?
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12:54<fous>well my controller is LSI Logic MegaRAID i4
12:55<prout>is there any archive of obsolete ports like debian/knetbsd ?
12:55<fous>I was about to install free bsd cuz it sopports that controller
12:55<fous>no thank u
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12:56<bzed>prout: you want to post that on a mailing-list like debian-project
12:56[~]bzed ducks
12:56<prout>bzed thanks i'll do this
12:56<bzed>prout: I hope you know you'll create a flame-war.
12:57<fous>petemc recommend any good appz for debian ?
12:57<bzed>prout: aa
12:57<bzed>prout: wait
12:57<bzed>prout: an *archive* of them?
12:57<petemc>fous: that, of course, depends what you want to do
12:57<bzed>prout: I understoo you waere asking to archive them
12:57<petemc>i use exim for mail, bind9 for dns, apache2, etc etc
12:58<Karsten>hello, i need some newbie debian installation help, i got stuck with an icp raid controller. Anyone interested?
12:58<fous>ur right
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13:00<fous>what about sniffing
13:01<fous>well thanks for the help later
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13:03<sasha>thanks a lot the smbpasswd tricks resolve everythibg
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13:06<gaba>does anybody use bluetooth in debian? i have everything installed but im having problems with the PIN between the phone and the computer.
13:07<miqu>Hi gaba I'am using bluetooth in debian gnome unstable.
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13:07<gaba>aha, and what application do you use in the computer?
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13:08<prout>bzed asking for an archive of them yes
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13:08<cicha>siema ziom
13:08<cicha>jak tam na lekcji
13:08<prout>bzed anyway i have to leave, thanks
13:08<Marek>pierdole te lecje;p:d
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13:08<dpkg>somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
13:08<cicha>ja tez idziemy do domu
13:09<Marek>yes pl:d
13:09<Eulex>no, _you_ do.
13:09<Marek>ooo yes:d
13:09<miqu>gaba actually two one for bluetooth preferences and one for file transfers. I didn't get sync to work for my n73 yet.
13:09<gaba>miqu: which application you use in your computer?
13:09<cicha>smoking in Afryka
13:09<witte>and your keyboard is broken
13:09<Karsten>Hello, I need some newbie installation help for debian, i got stuck with an icp raid controller. Anyone interested?
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13:09<cicha>nie stwarzaj ziomek
13:09<gaba>miqu: which one they are? i will check if i have them
13:09<miqu>gnome bluetooth manager: Bluetooth applet does the pairing
13:10[~]gaba is gonna check them
13:10<Marek>jasne juz:d
13:10<Marek>pierdola bez sensu;p:d
13:10<Marek>a co:D
13:10<miqu>and gnome-obex-server for transfers
13:10<cicha>wath is your number miqu ??
13:11<gaba>miqu: maybe i should try gnome, im wondering if using ion is affecting this. the pin windows does not appear in my laptop
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13:11<Marek>fuck you:D
13:11<cicha>im pussy
13:13<Marek>pierdole nie robie:D
13:13<miqu>should someone be kickd or banned?
13:13<Marek>ja nie wiem
13:13<cicha>miqu fuck you
13:13<Marek>On jest waniety
13:13<dpkg>i heard pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
13:13<miqu>or is there a great inside prank in this?
13:13<Marek>oo yes miqu fuck you:d
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13:14<cicha>Adolf Hittler
13:14<cicha>is my idol
13:14<interbird>what kids are shouting here ?
13:14<JasonS>go play elsewhere kids
13:14<awruk>czesc yawruk
13:14<cicha>siem ziom
13:14<JasonS>!ops LOLO and awruk and cicha are trolling
13:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: LOLO and awruk and cicha are trolling
13:14<cicha>bakej lolo
13:15<cicha>no i huj mnie to boli
13:15<Marek>J kill you:D men:D jasons
13:16<Marek>robet odbijaj kolejke:d
13:16<miqu>gaba: I'll go to sauna now... :)
13:16<vortex_>marek as well.
13:16<O\work>LOLO, english, dude
13:16<gaba>miqu: thanks
13:16<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or
13:16<awruk>i think that admin is fucking motherfucker onklefucker and he wanks on his dads face
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13:27<Aleric>I put a video of me on youtube... well, actually, it's about my keyboard. Anyone interested? ;)
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13:28<qbit>!tell Aleric about ask
13:28<qbit>had to
13:28<qbit>hello rSp
13:28<rSp>hi qbit
13:28<Aleric>Yeah well, I asked like this cause it's a bit off topic ;). I don't mention debian in the vid - heheh.
13:29<rSp>i have big problem with my loptop
13:29<rSp>i have nx6110 compaq
13:29<rSp>an have Agere Systems AC'97 Modem
13:29<rSp>i cant use this :(
13:30<rSp>where can find litel suport ?
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13:30<rSp>i can be on windows hugh
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13:32<qbit>rSp, make sure alsa-utils is installed and run alsaconf
13:32<rSp>what is this ?
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13:33<fxiny>hmmm : a divine keyboard ? :P
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13:37<interbird>rSp: maybe this page will help you further:
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13:37<padski>Aleric: I just got around to looking at the man page of wipe.
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13:37<fxiny>Aleric: are you eating curry wearing a silver cape ? (i know only cahoot can understand this) . are you R.Wakeman ? that's the keyboard entry i found on youtube :)
13:37<rSp>tnx interbird :D
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13:38<Aleric>fxiny: No, neither :p
13:38<fxiny>Aleric: so must be the cleaning process ! ;)
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13:38<padski>the author of the wipe man page is plainly not paranoid at all
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13:39<Aleric>Hmm, if I use 'keyboard' to search, it doesn't show up, fxiny
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13:40<fxiny>Aleric: hell : if yoy were Wakeman we could have a chanche to pull Ion Anderson legs saying (maybe) he's using ubuntu :P
13:41<Aleric>fxiny: It does show up ... search for keyboard, then click 'Date added' and then 'Today' (at the bottom of the list).
13:42<rSp>tnx for help :D
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13:45<fxiny>Aleric: can't find "date adedd" : is it the dvorak one ?
13:45<Aleric>I have to make one that is more fun to watch ;)
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13:46<Aleric>It's just that I finally got my webcam + audio to work since yesterday... so I had to make one.
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13:48<tehryan>how do you connect to a wpa network with iwconfig?
13:48<sasha>what card are you using ?
13:49<tehryan>its a linksys usb card, I finally got the drivers working and now i can see wlan0 in iwconfig
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13:49<degn>tehryan, use
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13:49<tehryan>thanks :)
13:49<sasha>ok is it a rt2xxx driver or ndiswrapper
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13:50<tehryan>its an at76xx
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13:50<sasha>me i use wpa_supplicant
13:50<sasha>i start it as a demon during boot process
13:51<sasha>with a comman similar to this one wpa_supplicant -Dwext -B -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
13:51[~]interbird thinks Aleric has a nice way of removing labels from keyboards :-)
13:51<sasha>ans i configure well wpa_supllicant
13:51<tehryan>theres no built in wpa handling ?
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13:51<Aleric>interbird: yeah - I'm ashamed I had to buy that one, but it was the only ergonomic keyboard I could get at the time :/
13:52<sasha>tehryan : never found no
13:52<snolr>what is the dirrent between bastille and kmyfire ?
13:53<tehryan>heck, so this is pretty complex then... I have linux installed on my laptop, and my college uses wpa
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13:53<tehryan>am I going to need wpa_supplicant?
13:53<sasha>it is not so complex once installed
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13:54<sasha>you have your ap near to you
13:54<fxiny>Aleric: nice screen
13:54[~]interbird has fallen to the floor laughing and mooing and taking several cables and devices with him...
13:54<padski>tehryan: there *are* gui layers over stuff like wpa_supplicant if you want them
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13:55<Aleric>I just wish it was real tripple head... it sucks that I can't move windows the right monitor.
13:55<snolr>someone know about bastille
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13:56<fous>petemc whats up
13:56<fous>u still there?
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13:57<fous>i have few more question on ur server would u use gui
13:57<petemc>i do not
13:57<JasonS>fous: no need to
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13:57<fous>u ssh
13:57<petemc>i do everything via ssh
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13:57<ZZT32>When building something, how do I tell the linker where to look for libraries? >>;
13:58<bzed>ZZT32: -L/foo/bar
13:58<fous>so its a waist to even have the desktop theme?
13:58<themill>ZZT32: the -L option to gcc
13:58<bzed>ZZT32: if you need a runtime search path, add -Wl,-rapth,/path/to/your/libs
13:58<ZZT32>bzed & themill, I'm just using "make", though, and it's coughing up the error: ./.libs/ undefined reference to `gtk_label_set_line_wrap_mode'. I've built the latest GTK+ & Glib from source, so I know I have it.
13:59<bzed>ZZT32: why do you build such things from source?
13:59<bzed>makes no sense usually
13:59<bzed>and just messes things up
13:59<themill>ZZT32: ./configure should have sorted that out for you... but why are you doing these things?
13:59<JasonS>fous: on a server? why bother
13:59<ZZT32>I just want a new Nautilus :P
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13:59<ZZT32>Using Debian Etch so >>
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14:00<themill>hmmm.... sounds like a lot of effort for little gain to me...
14:00<fous>just installed debian and that was added mmmmm
14:00<bzed>ZZT32: I hope you didn't instal lthe gtk stuff with prefix=/usr
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14:00<snolr>do u know bastille
14:00<ZZT32>bzed, I just did what I always do: ./configure && make && su -c 'make install'
14:00<bzed>ZZT32: what's the default prefix in that configure?
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14:00<ZZT32>How do I check that? :<
14:00[~]themill winces....
14:01<bzed>ZZT32: ./configure --help should spit that out
14:01<snolr>i wanna configure it but i alreaddy have kmyfirewall
14:01<snolr>waht is the best
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14:01<fxiny>the official debian docs
14:01<ZZT32>bzed, "LDFLAGS" looks like what I need
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14:01<fxiny>why bastille ? we are in the 2007 year
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14:02<bzed>ZZT32: what you need is to clean the mess you've created :)
14:02<fous>well is it a bad thing that I hve gui?
14:02<ZZT32>how i do that D:
14:02<skiter>I need help with headfone-out of my laptop, don't work
14:02<ZZT32>Did I mess up when I installed the latest GTK/Glib? :p
14:02<bzed>ZZT32: figure out where the make isntall stuff isntalled it's stuff, clean it up, and if it was not /usr/local, reinstall all packages you've broken
14:02<vortex_>er.. sound still wont work =\
14:02<fxiny>a gui for what ? how may times per day are you hardening your box ?
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14:03<fous>lol hardening my box whoa lol
14:03<bzed>ZZT32: and then check fi there's a more recent version on
14:03<fous>no I only installed debian like 2 times on this box
14:03<fous>and win 2003
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14:04<fous>thats what it had
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14:04<kurumin>bora entrar ae galera /server
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14:05<fxiny>anyway debian is pretty safe out of the box : is not a redhat 6*
14:05<fxiny>bastille makes little sense
14:05<kurumin>bora entrar ae galera /server
14:05<kurumin>bora entrar ae galera /server
14:05<kurumin>bora entrar ae galera /server
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14:06<ZZT32>bzed, forgive me for pestering - but should I manually remove the old versions of glib?
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14:13<snolr>SO which one i can use ?
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14:22<vortex__>which font pack do i get so that the characters arent all messed up in BitchX? anyone know/
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14:37<vortex__>woohoo got my sound working Aleric
14:38<vortex__>is there anything i need to add to any files
14:38<vortex__>so my settings will be saved when i shutdown?
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14:38<fous>well ok I have it installed the gui but I wanted
14:39<fous>just have it just in case but not let it run when it starts up
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14:40<[DJ]-FIREWORKS>sera all
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14:41<fxiny>Supaplex: hey : any idea why /etc/vservers/vservename/cache symlink is broken ?
14:41<muep_>how do I find out which package a file is from?
14:41<fxiny>i can't fine any doc about it
14:41<Supaplex>fxiny: nope
14:41<Supaplex>muep_: dpkg -S
14:42<interbird>dpkg -S filename
14:42<dpkg>Package: filename: Status: install ok installed
14:43<muep_>Supaplex: thanks
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14:43<Supaplex>fxiny: #vserver :)
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14:45<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ? so i can ask why all symlink down /var/run/vservers.rev/ are not deleted ? heheheh :))
14:45<fxiny>Supaplex: no fun :)
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14:47<Supaplex>tiz life
14:47<fxiny>Supaplex: anyway : i set up a restricted home in a vserver using mysecureshell . i'm not using it but is the only way i found to keep winscp off my v-system , scponly and r*can'tremember atm does not work
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14:49<berto>which targets do dpkg-buildpackage calls to build a package???
14:49<berto>isn't it similar as debian/rules binary ?
14:49<berto>*similar to
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14:50<Supaplex>berto: something like that. I don't know all the underlying mechanisms.
14:50<fxiny>Supaplex: rbash , yes damn winblows winscp can browse around and cannot connect with scponly
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14:51<fxiny>Supaplex: but mysecureshell f* the pig up !
14:51<berto>Supaplex: however the compiled program behaves different and I'm not sure why
14:51<fxiny>i cannot use since is not in debian for all i know
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14:52<Supaplex>fxiny: you need a different ip for each guest if you plan on using networking services like ssh. also, the host should reconfigure services to bind to a specific ip, as binding * or on the host will prevent guests from binding any address on that port.
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14:53<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ! i'm using different vservers and different ip . i set up eth alias instead of dummy0 as you suggested . scene : an idiot winblowing , i set an account up and tell him to uwse winscp . he can browse around
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14:56<fxiny>Supaplex: i could niot manage to let winscp log in installing scponly , i failed with rbash cause winscp can browse ,. the only one i found is mysecureshell . did not have time to look into mysecureshell yet
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14:58<vortex__>anyone have any clue how to get a usb logitech mouse to work with svgalib games?
14:58<Supaplex>vortex__: gpm?
14:58<Supaplex>(a guess)
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14:59<vortex__>gpm's already running
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15:00<w00ter^>guy's, i made a real huge f*ck up, and i am highly stressed atm. I accidently imported a MySQL database, over an excisting database, and all old data is gone now. Is there any possible chance, i can recover that somehow? (I know, its stupid, i dont have a backup)
15:00<pikapika>i wanted to know if there was an archive of obsolete ports, i was looking for debian/knetbsd
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15:01<Supaplex>w00ter^: i'd ask a mysql channel. maybe there's a transaction backlog - but no, chances are very grim
15:01<dpkg>kbsd is probably shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd
15:01<w00ter^>Supaplex : Is there a mysql channel on debian? Or should i search for a mysql irc server?
15:02<pikapika>Supaplex: people there don't know but thanks :)
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15:02<tehryan>how can I get my wlan0 to stop connecting to an open network
15:02<Supaplex>w00ter^: #mysql here or freenode
15:02<tehryan>i configured wpa_supplicant with one network, its a wpa network
15:02<tehryan>but it just keeps trying to connect to this open network
15:03<Supaplex>go secure their network? ;)
15:03<tehryan>no help haha
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15:04<tehryan>can't it just be configured in iwconfig or something?
15:04<tehryan>kwifi manager sucks
15:04<tehryan>it doesn't let me do anything except see what i'm connected to
15:04[~]fxiny noticed one more strange case of BOFH possession
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15:06<themill>tehryan: knetworkmanager is much better behaved than kwifimanager
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15:09<fxiny>Supaplex: yes , winscp . i'm testing it from a vmware w2k
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15:09<fxiny>i'm virtualizing the "panorama" as well
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15:10<Supaplex>fxiny: i'm lost. i know you wanted to address some issue, but I don't know what it is.
15:11<fxiny>Supaplex: connecting with sinscp (it uses putty) a "client" can browse down the system . i want him to stay in his home
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15:11<Supaplex>so you want to disable the sftp subsystem for that user?
15:12<fxiny>scponly aparenty deny winscp login , maybe is my mistake . rbash let him browsing . mysecureshell stop him in his home
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15:13<fxiny>Supaplex: ohhh yes . ssh/sftp-subsystem ? i added a line to sshd_config but no luck .
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15:14<Clumsy_Root>can anyone help me debug an annoyance with wireless?
15:15<Supaplex>fxiny: look a little closer for sftp or subsystem options. man sshd_config is your guide.
15:15<Supaplex>Clumsy_Root: humor us and ask
15:15<Clumsy_Root>uh... thanks, i think
15:16<fxiny>Supaplex: ok , i will dig into it , i hate using unofficial debs
15:16<Clumsy_Root>anyway. right now wireless is working
15:16<fxiny>i just installed to eyeball it :)
15:16<dpkg>hmm... wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at or try asking #wireless, or see, or ask me about <what's my wireless>
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15:17<Clumsy_Root>but whenever i reboot the system, it can't seem to work right away: i have to change around the settings in order to make it see the router again, even if they're correct
15:17<Supaplex>I bet there's info on the wiki to.
15:17<Supaplex>oh so it's intermittent
15:17<Clumsy_Root>i don't think so.
15:17<Clumsy_Root>i mean, it works
15:17<Supaplex>i'm thinking outloud
15:17<Clumsy_Root>but everytime i boot i have to spend a minute tweaking the settings, it's not really crippling.
15:18<fxiny>Supaplex: anyway i'm having fun , since you mentioned vserver in chan i had a go with it and now i am totally addicetd to it : tx :))
15:18<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: it would help if you said what settings you need to reset after boot.
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15:18<Supaplex>Clumsy_Root: do you remember what settings they are? if we know, we could comment further
15:18<Clumsy_Root>right away: gateway IP and DNS
15:19<Supaplex>fxiny: share with the other fans in #vserver to :)
15:19<Supaplex>and you're using dhcp?
15:19<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: and what have you tried to do to get the settings to persist after boot? any configuration files?
15:19<fxiny>i will i will : i need to collect more stuff then i will go there :)
15:19<Clumsy_Root>no DHCP, i had to input the addresses manually
15:19<Clumsy_Root>and, the config files don't change. the settings stay fresh
15:20<Clumsy_Root>like i said, it's as trivial as punching in a different IP and restoring the original one after applying the "wrong" address
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15:20<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: by "punching in" i assume you mean using ifconfig?
15:21<Clumsy_Root>nope, gnome's network-admin
15:21<Clumsy_Root>oh, here's something that could help a bit
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15:21<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: out of curiosity, what is your debian version?:
15:21<Clumsy_Root>4.0 etch, with some lenny
15:22<Clumsy_Root>anyway, here's some added info
15:22<Clumsy_Root>both the addresses i use exist in the router; point is, only one appears to work
15:22<vortex__>how do you tell what debian version you have btw?
15:22<vortex__>i have no clue what im running
15:23<Clumsy_Root>check it on the CD label your debian came on :D
15:23<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i don't know what gnome's network admin does, but it sounds like you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces unless you are using pcmcia network adapter or something
15:23<vortex__>i downloaded debian
15:23<mtnman>vortex: cat /etc/debian_version
15:23<Clumsy_Root>nope, USB wireless inrerface
15:23<vortex__>just says 4.0
15:23<mtnman>vortex: less /etc/apt/sources.list
15:23<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i suggest a good helping of man interfaces
15:24<vortex__>thanks mtnman
15:24<Supaplex>vortex__: compare stable|etch testing|lenny unstable|sid sarge|oldstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list (in the event it's some debian 'like' distro, as you won't find those there)
15:24<mtnman>vortes: yw
15:24<Clumsy_Root>well, i checked the documentation
15:24<Clumsy_Root>but the problem persists, and the config file has the settings in good order
15:24<vortex__>its not debian like i got it from ;p
15:24<fxiny>FINE !
15:24<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: what is the name of your network interface?
15:25<Clumsy_Root>zydas ZD1211, had to recompile the kernel to get it up and running
15:25<vortex__>also, does anyone have any experience with a linksys rtp300 router from vonage
15:25<Clumsy_Root>kinda ghetto, actually.
15:25<vortex__>i'm trying to allow access to my httpd and it isnt allowing any connections
15:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:26<fxiny>all alike are a pita : i'm planning to remove the "4" key as a sign of disrespect to all i*4linux ...
15:26<Clumsy_Root>it's really odd... but it's not a crippling problem, just an annoyance
15:26<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i mean what is the name that the system uses? eg eth0
15:26<Clumsy_Root>oh, eth1
15:26<Clumsy_Root>you think it can't find it at start because it expects it to be on eth0?
15:27<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: well, i know that pcmcia interfaces use a different mechanism than, eg, pci...
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15:27<Clumsy_Root>yeah, but it's a tabby USB adapter
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15:28<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: what does /etc/network/interfaces say? does it refer to eth0 or eth1?
15:28<Clumsy_Root>eth1, but i should reboot to check if at start it refers to eth0
15:28<Clumsy_Root>come to think about it...
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15:29<Clumsy_Root>on startup, the kernel always yaps that eth1 is not ready, just to find it shortly thereafter
15:29<Clumsy_Root>could it be that, upon not noticing my interface card, it defaults the device name to eth0?
15:29<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: it could be that the system is trying to setup the network before starting up usb, etc.
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15:30<Clumsy_Root>actually, usb works at that point; i'm guessing the wireless interface is just slow at picking up the pace
15:31<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: next time, after booting, instead of manually changing settings, try to restart networking: /etc/init.d/networking restart
15:31<Clumsy_Root>i should check what that file says after a fresh boot, but i have my money on eth0
15:32<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: well you can check the timestamp on the file to see if something is rewriting it, but i woudn't guess so.
15:32<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i'll have to try that. i could always add an extra line to fstab if that's all there is to it
15:32<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: that would be a kludgy way to fix it.
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15:32<w00ter^>'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' <- what password does this user default use in MySQL on debian? I need to manually restore it :(
15:32<Clumsy_Root>heh, sure
15:33<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: not sure how fstab would hlep there, actually.
15:33<Clumsy_Root>but as long as it works :D
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15:33<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i think the "root" of your problem is that usb networking is setup differently than pci, etc.
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15:34<Clumsy_Root>i'm more inclined to think that my issues are due to the time the card takes to get acknowledged
15:35<Clumsy_Root>'cause the settings in /etc/network/interfaces look just like regular ethernet settings to me
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15:35<Clumsy_Root>anyway, thanks a lot for your help. i'll check some solutions out when i can catch a breather :)
15:36<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i just explained to you that i suspect that usb network interfaces are probably not configured the same way as pci. i know pcmcia uses a different scheme.
15:36<[machine]>w00ter^: cat /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
15:36<Clumsy_Root>it does, but i'm almost sure it works the same for usb interfaces
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15:37<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i am googling for usb config under debian. i suggest you do the same...
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15:37<Clumsy_Root>did that, didn't really find much
15:38<arabian>can you help me please
15:38<Clumsy_Root>anyway, i'm seriously thinking the system simply can't find the card right away, defaulting to eth0
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15:39<mtnman>Clumsy_Root i think you are correct that the systemis not finding the card, but i think your explanation of why is incorrect.
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15:40<Clumsy_Root>let me get this straight: are you perhaps thinking that the delay is in the kernel acknowledging the device as an ethernet interface, due to maybe an unwanted bottleneck in the USB driver?
15:41<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: i have found a link describing how to setup usb networking. i think you need to add some lines to /etc/network/interfaces.
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15:42<Clumsy_Root>i'll be glad to follow the good advice then
15:42<mtnman>Clumsy_Root: do you have a line in /etc/network/interfaces that says "mapping hotplug" ?
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15:43<mtnman>hang on for the link...
15:44<mtnman>sorry for the double-click
15:44<Clumsy_Root>no problem
15:44<Clumsy_Root>thanks a lot, i'm grateful for that :)
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15:44<mtnman>the posting talks about usb0 not eth0, but other than that it might be what you need.
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15:44<roderyk_>I'm having an issue with my usb; polling lsusb shows my samsung printer appearing and dissappearing and it's not stable enough for cups (when trying to print a test page,it says the printer is not connected.. will try again in 30 secs); the printer + cable does work (tested on a different comp), and I don't think it's my usb port per se, because the usb mouse connected to the laptop works just fine. Ideas on how to proceed with
15:44<Clumsy_Root>i'll try and see what i can get out of it
15:45<mtnman>Clumsy_Root i don't think you put much effort into your search. :)
15:45<Clumsy_Root>well, i did but i wasn't thinking about an USB-related problem
15:45<Clumsy_Root>so i was mostly fumbling ^^'
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15:48<Clumsy_Root>thanks again, i'll try that out when i'm off studying
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15:51<sun>hi i just read the article on slashdot about ubuntu trashing hd's becasue of load_cycle, and i think debian is doing this also, anyone else?
15:51<dondelelcaro>sun: we don't set hdparm parameters by default
15:51<dondelelcaro>sun: and indeed, neither does ubuntu
15:52<mtnman>hi don
15:52<dondelelcaro>mtnman: sup
15:52<dondelelcaro>sun: if there's a specific problem with the settings that your bios chooses for your drive, you can install hdparm and change them
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15:53<mtnman>don, are usb network interfaces setup differently than, for eg, isa interfaces? kind of like pcmcia?
15:53<sun>dondelelcaro, yes i read that part also, i guess im just wondering whether you or anyone else has noted the high load_cycle count on smart as described on slashdot, and what steps you (or they) may have taken, since there seem to be several things one can do
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15:54<dondelelcaro>sun: well, presumably if someone has, there'd be bugs filed about it
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15:55[~]Gathond has noticed his laptop having a 194001 in load cycle count, it also been at that all day, so I'm inclined to believe XP is the source of that number not debian
15:55<sun>dondelelcaro so you apparantly have not, but i surmise that you have already been changing your hdparm values. do you have a laptop?
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15:55[~]mtnman is a fan of hdparm -y
15:55<konqi>hi, why is package search restricted to max 100 results nowadays?
15:56<dondelelcaro>sun: no and yes.
15:56<konqi>this is***
15:56<Supaplex>why is -DBINUTILS_BUILD_DEP="binutils- (>= 2.16.1cvs20051214)" not binutils-i486something? compare line 10 and 22,
15:56<dondelelcaro>konqi: because returning more than that generally doesn't make sense
15:57<Supaplex>or if you prefer GET | $PAGER
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15:58<konqi>dondelelcaro, but searching packages when actually not using debian itself is more than hindered
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15:58<mtnman>konqi: i find computing, in general, w/o using debian is hindering.
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15:59<dondelelcaro>konqi: in the few cases where it matters you can easily specify more terms to make the search more selective
15:59[~]Supaplex ^5 mtnman
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15:59<dondelelcaro>konqi: but baring that, the source is available. patches are accepted.
15:59<sun>gathond /quit
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15:59<konqi>i searched for example for some "xen" packages or someone with "kernel" in name
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15:59<konqi>search was possible till some months ago
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16:00<slackuser>hi all
16:00<Supaplex>konqi: try xen-linux-system
16:00<mtnman>konqi: it is unfathomable that you could not refine a search on the keywork "kernel" to be more selective in what it returns to you.
16:00<konqi>is there a way to mirror this searchengine myself when traffic issues are the main problem
16:01<slackuser>maybe who know what is a polish channel debian?
16:01<mtnman>konqi: i am sure the information is indexed by google, etc.
16:02<konqi>ok, thx so far guys, xen-linux-system was a good hint
16:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, polish is spoken in (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
16:03<slackuser>thx and sorry
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16:16<Tjerk>Well i've a problem,
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16:17<Tjerk>Yesterday I had installed cups,, while cups is started i can't visited cups in my webinterface...
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16:28<Knorrie>Tjerk: netstat -an | grep 631 ?
16:29<Knorrie>what does that say?
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16:36<lucas_amorim>hello I have just installed texlive-science via apt-get. I want to use the sciposter class; I saw that they include an example, then I extracted it and openened with kile. When I click on pdflatex button it says /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/sciposter/sciposter.cls:74:File `lettrine.sty' not found. ^^M
16:36<lucas_amorim>also it says: [PDFLaTeX] The folder /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/sciposter is not writable, therefore PDFLaTeX will not be able to save its results.
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16:39<valdyn>lucas_amorim: why cant you fix that?
16:39<valdyn>lucas_amorim: or : what is the problem?
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16:40<valdyn>!tell lucas_amorim -about search
16:40<valdyn>!wikifaq lucas_amorim Permissions
16:40<dpkg>lucas_amorim: check out or if that doesn't work, try
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16:42<lucas_amorim>valsyn: well it seems permission is not the only problem
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16:42<valdyn>lucas_amorim: you are unable to find lettrine.sty _
16:42<valdyn>lucas_amorim: you are unable to find lettrine.sty ?
16:42<valdyn>lucas_amorim: read what dpkg told you about search
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16:46<interbird>I'm experimenting with live-cd stuff. When I use an initrd then pivot_root seems to work, when I use an initramfs pipvot_root says: invalid argument. Any idea anyone?
16:47<qbit>interbird, i would check with the #debian-live people
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16:50<lucas_amorim>valdyn: well I could not figure out... I installed apt-file and tryied apt-file search lettrine.sty but nothing was found
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16:59<Ceekay>oh, which language? german or english?
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17:00<Ceekay>damn (sorry). ok i'll try it
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17:00<Ceekay>is anyone here who would like to help me to get my eyetoy usb cam working in debian?
17:02<lucas_amorim>Well I do not know anything about this webcam, but generally you have to find the appropriate driver. Maybe someone with more experience will help you
17:02<lucas_amorim>did you try google? like this: eyetoy usb cam on linux
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17:04<Ceekay>hey lucas. i've been sitting here for almost one week every night to get this working. googled everything and found out that the cam uses the driver called "ov511", which is already included in debian etch
17:05<tehryan>anyone here ever use wpa_supplicant?
17:05<lucas_amorim>interesting :p
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17:05<lucas_amorim>Ceekay: How are you testing the cam?
17:05<Ceekay>yeah for sure :-/
17:05<Ceekay>i can see the device in usb viewer
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17:06<naibed>guten abend zusammen
17:06<Ceekay>lsusb shows "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 054c:0154 Sony Corp."
17:07<naibed>kann mir jemand sagen wie ich diesen fehler behebe?
17:07<naibed>dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-headers- not in control info
17:07<naibed>make[1]: *** [debian/linux-headers-] Fehler 255
17:07<naibed>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-'
17:07<naibed>make: *** [binary/linux-headers-] Fehler 2
17:07|-|naibed kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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17:08<interbird>Ceekay: I suppose you find this page too:
17:08<themill>!tell naibed about paste
17:08<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:08|-|naibed [] has joined #debian
17:08<themill>!tell naibed about de
17:08<streuner>themill, JasonS: ^^
17:08<streuner>naibed: speak english
17:09<themill>naibed: auf englisch, bitte
17:09<streuner>naibed: show us the whole error-message WITH command in paster bot (
17:09<naibed>i´m sorry i can not good englisch
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17:10<JasonS>there is always naibed if you feel more comfortable
17:10<sebastw>hello world
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17:10<sebastw>Someone known a utility on linux to clone partitions ?
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17:11<sebastw>petemc, but partimage can backup/restore partition but clone ...
17:11<Ceekay>interbird: yes i've been through all these pages but i could not use the driver because it won't compile
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17:12<Ceekay>and i found out the ov511 driver should support the can, no?
17:13<naibed>thank you all
17:13<sebastw>i want to create usb version of my debian
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17:14<sebastw>please help me
17:14<Ceekay>how do i remove the ov511 module
17:14<streuner>Ceekay: blacklist it
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17:14<streuner>Ceekay: rmmod
17:14<mtnman>ceekay: rmmod, from command line, or edit /etc/modules
17:15<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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17:17<sebastw>there are 'dd' but my target disk is more smaller
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17:18<sebastw>please help me
17:18<Ceekay>ok i read the page at and it says i should remove the ov511 driver module. how to do that? if I do "rmmod ov511" it says "ERROR: Module ov511 does not exist in /proc/modules"
17:18<interbird>does lsmod|grep -i 511 show a line?
17:18<sebastw>source disk : 5.5 go used on 160 go and target disk 10 go free on 10 go
17:19<sebastw>please all
17:19<interbird>then the module seems not to be loaded
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17:20<Ceekay>ok i unloaded it before with "modprobe -r ov511". does it have to be running while i "rmmod" it?
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17:20<interbird>you already unloaded it with modprobe -r
17:21<amer>hi I want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.22 amd64
17:21<Ceekay>ok. now how do i prevent it from being loaded after next reboot?
17:21<amer>So how shall I do that?
17:21<mtnman>ceekay: is it listed in /etc/modules?
17:22<Ceekay>no, there is just a "loop" entry
17:22<mtnman>ceekay: is it being loaded by discover?
17:22<dpkg>somebody said discover was a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug
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17:23<mtnman>ceekay in any case, it seems that you could blacklist the module as someone already suggested
17:24<amer>hi I want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.22 amd64
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17:25<mtnman>amer: please rephrase as a question
17:25<Supaplex>amer: why?
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17:25<Ceekay>ok wait a minute. i'll see if it loads again if i reboot now. so 2mins please
17:25<Supaplex>amer: desktop/laptop? server? hardware support (be specific)
17:26<mtnman>ceekay we'll wait here...
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17:27<amer>ok I have Fujitsu Siemens Amilo La 1703 and I am running Debian 4.01 My sound card is not working at all the guys here tied everything with me then they advice me to update to 2.6.22
17:27<amer>my sound card is VIA
17:27<themill>amer: 2.6.22 is in /msg dpkg bpo
17:28<amer>ok thaks but what are the steps to upgrade
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17:29<ErJeDi>hello Ceekay
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17:30<Ceekay>so it is not loaded now. i'll try to proceed with the ov51x drivers
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17:32<themill>amer: first add the entry to your sources.list (from that factoid), then aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
17:32<themill>(or -amd64)
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17:32<vortex__>does anyone have any experience with a linksys rtp300 router from vonage
17:32<vortex__>i'm trying to allow access to my httpd and it isnt allowing any connections
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17:33<mtnman>vortex: are you trying to access a server behind the router? it so have you forwarded any ports?
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17:33<mtnman> /if/ so...
17:33<mtnman>vortes: be specific. yeah what9~?
17:34<nexx__>what is most common ftpd used?
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17:34<amer>themill :
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17:34<JoeyAdams>nexx__ vsftpd is a pretty common one, and it's really easy to set up on Debian
17:35<vortex__>i forwarded
17:35<JoeyAdams>just sudo apt-get install vsftpd
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17:35<mtnman>dpkg tell nexx__ about ftpd
17:35<vortex__>80 to my router ip
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17:35<nexx__>ok thanks
17:35<JoeyAdams>then there'll be a folder /home/ftp that will be read-only for people logging in
17:35<JoeyAdams>Even though when it's installing, it says "Not creating /home/ftp" :D
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17:35<JoeyAdams>I don't know why it does that.
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17:36<mtnman>vortex__ are you able to access ftpd from inside your local net?
17:36<themill>amer: did you add the entry to your sources.list and then run aptitude update?
17:36<vortex__>let me see
17:36<amer>yes i did yesterday
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17:37<amer>I followed the instruction on
17:37<mtnman>vortex: sorry, httpd
17:37<gpm>I have a problem with gdm. When I first log in (after reboot) it always logs me into a blackbox session. I was expecting it to log me in to GNOME. When I log in to GNOME it doesn't ask me if I'd like to make GNOME my default session.
17:37<Ceekay>ok here we go. i d/led the ov51x and extracted it. inside this directory i do a "make clean" and get this:
17:37<mtnman>gpm: man update-alternatives
17:37<Ceekay>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden. Schluss.
17:37<vortex__>no i cant
17:37<vortex__>oh, yes
17:37<vortex__>i can
17:37<vortex__>httpd i can
17:38<themill>Ceekay: can you run "LANG=C make clean" for the benefit of those whose German is rusty ;)
17:38<mtnman>vortex: and how, exactly, are you testing outside access to your local httpd?
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17:38<gpm>mtnman: which option? i don't see anything like default-x-session or anything. and besides, the old behavior of gdm was to ask, i don't see why they'd take that away and let alternatives handle it.
17:38<Ceekay>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
17:38<Ceekay>make: *** [clean] Error 2
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17:39<mtnman>gpm: you can set the default for x-window-manager or x-session-manager
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17:40<amer>themill, what should I do now>
17:40<gpm>mtnman: gnome is not an option for x-window-manager, and it's the only option for x-session-manager (and therefore i assume it is selected). this problem only occurs in gdm. if i put gnome-session in .xinitrc and startx, gnome loads up fine.
17:40<mtnman>gpm: yes, gnome is an x-session-manager, not an x-window-manager
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17:41<gpm>mtnman: i'm aware, i'm just letting you know that your proposed solution of using update-alternatives isn't a solution.
17:41<mtnman>gpm: whatever you put in .xinitrc overrides the default
17:41<themill>amer: I'm going off line now, but pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and ask the channel for help with this. It should be straightforward enough.
17:41<gpm>mtnman: well, that doesn't make much sense since i have gnome-session in .xinitrc
17:41<amer>ok thanks
17:42<gpm>and nothing else
17:42<mtnman>gpm: gmome is not an x-window-manager
17:42<themill>amer: I'll probably be back in an hour :)
17:42<gpm>mtnman: you can put gnome-session in .xinitrc
17:42<gpm>and it starts gnome just fine
17:42<gpm>in fact that's the standard way to start gnome afaict
17:42<valdyn>"exec gnome-session"
17:42<valdyn>not just "gnome-session"
17:42<Ceekay>themill: what about my stuff?
17:43<gpm>just gnome-session will work fine
17:43<valdyn>not really
17:43<gpm>yeah, really
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17:43<gpm>by "work fine," i mean gnome will start
17:43<mtnman>gpm: for a guy who can't solve his own problem, you are very sure of yourself.
17:43<gpm>well i'm on the verge of filing a bug with gdm
17:43<valdyn>gpm: yes, indeed
17:44<valdyn>gpm: gdm lets you SELECT sessions
17:44<gpm>valdyn: yeah i know. i've selected gnome session
17:44<valdyn>gpm: only if you select the "Default X Session" or similar, then ~/.xinitrc is used
17:44<mtnman>gpm: i don't think that you actually ran update-alternatives correctly.
17:44<gpm>but it won't make it my "default gdm session"
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17:45<gpm>valdyn: you know when you change sessions gdm usually asks "would you like to make this your default session?"
17:45<gpm>valdyn: it's not doing that for me
17:45<gpm>valdyn: it used to, but no longer.
17:45<gpm>this is my concern
17:45<fous>what does this mean when I click on the hard drive it's unalbe to mount the selected volume? how do u fix that prob
17:45<mtnman>gpm: maybe if you reconfig gdm it will give you that option
17:45<valdyn>gpm: that's a bug, if that is true, file it
17:45<gpm>valdyn: yeah, that's what i was asking about
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17:46<gpm>mtnman: i appreciate your help. i'm very familiar with update-alternatives, .xinitrc, etc. i was just making sure that there wasn't something else i was missing before filing a bug.
17:46<valdyn>gpm: maybe that can be changed in gdmsetup
17:47<gpm>valdyn: yeah, i'll fiddle with that and debconf options and see if that gets me anywhere
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17:48<gpm>so is shutdown preferable to halt?
17:48<valdyn>fous: you're confusing many things, please describe exactly what you are doing.
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17:49<gpm>oh i see, it is
17:49<gpm>thanks all
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17:50<fous>ok well I been on and off coming here today because I want to setup a debian server. I have a raid controller brand name: lsi megaraid i4
17:50<fous>and I dont want to have a 0 raid 1tb
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17:50<fous>so I broke up the 250s
17:51<fous>now the problem i have
17:51<fous>is that debian reads the raid as scis
17:51<fous>but its not mounting
17:51<Ceekay>"make clean" finished without errors. the next problem is the "make" itself. what are this errors telling me?
17:51<Ceekay>/home/user/ov51x-1.65-1.12-mark/ov51x.c:207: error: expected ')' before string constant
17:51<valdyn>fous: did you create a filesystem on that raid?
17:51<valdyn>fous: why are you using X for a server?
17:51<fous>well I each hd is raod 0
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17:51<Ceekay>make[2]: *** [/home/user/ov51x-1.65-1.12-mark/ov51x.o] Error 1
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17:52<valdyn>fous: that'S ok, your raid setup is irrelevant at the moment
17:52<fous>well because just for now I am going to let it restart to command line
17:52<valdyn>fous: use the "mount" command
17:52<valdyn>fous: and tell errors and commands you are using
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17:53<valdyn>fous: this "im clicking hd icon" is to hard to support ( at least for me )
17:53<Ceekay>make[1]: *** [_module_/home/user/ov51x-1.65-1.12-mark] Error 2
17:53<Ceekay>between this are many errors like the 1st only differen numbers
17:53<valdyn>fous: i.e. mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/whatever
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17:55<valdyn>Ceekay: and also actually meaningful readable error messages, not just "Error 2"
17:55<Ceekay>full msg here:
17:55<vortex__>how do i get unrar?
17:55<valdyn>Ceekay: home/user/ov51x-1.65-1.12-mark/ov51x.c:207: error: expected ')' before string constant
17:55<vortex__>apt-get install unrar isnt working
17:55<valdyn>Ceekay: fix the code
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17:56<fous>saying not found
17:56<valdyn>fous: WHAT isnt found_
17:56<valdyn>fous: geey
17:56<valdyn>fous: geez
17:56<fous>logged in as root
17:57<fous>tryed the mount command
17:57<valdyn>fous: WHICH command?
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17:57<Ceekay>valdyn: are you super duper serious that i should fix the 200 lines of code? am i not missing something important to install first (packages or stuff)?
17:57<fous>ex: /dev//sda5 /mnt/sda
17:57<valdyn>Ceekay: the first error you pasted is your compiler complaining about a missing )
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17:58<valdyn>fous: mmkay
17:58<fous>yeah thats what I said lol
17:58<valdyn>fous: read the manpage to mount, replace sda5 with YOUR partition
17:58<fous>I no there is an issue with this raid controller I think
17:58<valdyn>fous: sorry i cant guess your partitions
17:59<fous>it's ok
17:59<Ceekay>yes i understand this. i'll try to fiy just this one... jam
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17:59<valdyn>fous: or if you have any partition at all
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18:00<fous>yeah I have made extended 3
18:00<fous>on 4 250s
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18:00<fous>I had stripe raid 0 but its the same problem
18:00<Ceekay>this is the line in question: "MODULE_PARM(autobright, "i");"
18:00<valdyn>Ceekay: you want to read up on how that driver is supposed to be compiled and which kernel versions are supported
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18:01<Ceekay>valdyn: i do it like it's said here:
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18:02<fous>then I don't no then sorry thanks for the help
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18:02<valdyn>Ceekay: and you can clearly see supported kernel versions on that page
18:02<valdyn>Ceekay: stay away from that thing
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18:03<fous>i got somethin
18:03<Ceekay>Quick Installation:
18:03<Ceekay> make clean
18:03<Ceekay> make
18:03<Ceekay> (log in as root)
18:03<Ceekay> make install (Gives a list of the supported installation types)
18:03<Ceekay> (run the appropriate install command)
18:03<Ceekay>this are the lines in the readme
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18:03<valdyn>Ceekay: there might be an actual, recent, still supported driver for your hardware
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18:03<valdyn>23:03 < valdyn> Ceekay: there might be an actual, recent, still supported driver for your hardware
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18:04<fous>I got it
18:04<valdyn>Ceekay: forget about that one, unless you can port a device driver from 2.6.0-test to 2.6.18
18:04<fous>but it's telling me what kind of file system
18:04<valdyn>fous: becuase you haven't created an fs?
18:04<fous>I did
18:04<Ceekay>which one? where can i find it? i've searched google 6 or 7 nights already. :(
18:04<fous>its partitioned
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18:05<valdyn>Ceekay: is that a pci device?
18:06<Ceekay>no, its usb
18:06<Ceekay>may i open a private chat window?
18:06<valdyn>Ceekay: what'S wrong with the one in debian?
18:06<valdyn>Ceekay: no
18:06<fous>I used the disk tool formated the drive again and put hte mount command and now it's telling me you must specify the file system
18:07<valdyn>Ceekay: run "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ov511"
18:07<valdyn>Ceekay: i read wrong btw, that driver isnt that outdated.. but still try that command above - that driver is in debian.
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18:08<valdyn>fous: so do that
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18:08<valdyn>fous: and please start telling us the commands you use
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18:08<fous>ok im sorry
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18:08<Ceekay>valdyn: yes, the ov511 is there, but it does not work with the cam. i'll load it and put the dmesg here
18:09<valdyn>Ceekay: i don't see a newer driver on that website
18:10<Ceekay>Linux video capture interface: v2.00
18:10<Ceekay>usbcore: registered new driver ov511
18:10<Ceekay>drivers/media/video/ov511.c: v1.64 for Linux 2.5 : ov511 USB Camera Driver
18:10<Ceekay>linux:/# v4l-conf
18:10<Ceekay>v4l-conf: using X11 display :0.0
18:10<Ceekay>dga: version 2.0
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18:10<valdyn>!tell Ceekay -about paste
18:10<fous>well in command like after you told me what command to use it's telling me and I added ex3 after I put that as the file systemussage mount
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18:11<valdyn>fous: what'S so hard about pasting the actual command?
18:11<valdyn>fous: did you create an ext3 fs first?
18:11<fous>becaues I using 2 computer hold up
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18:13<valdyn>Ceekay: so you are trying to use the 1xx series
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18:13<valdyn>Ceekay: those are old
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18:13<valdyn>Ceekay: 2003/03/09 is just to old
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18:13<fous>ok ok
18:14<Ceekay>this is sh*t. how do i run this now
18:14<fous>preformated the drives
18:14<fous>before installing debian
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18:14<valdyn>what the hell is preformating?
18:14<valdyn>fous: you mean low level formating in your raid controller bios?
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18:15<valdyn>fous: "mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever", then you can mount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever
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18:15<padski>valdyn: preformatting is whether your floppies are msdos or mac ;-)
18:15<valdyn>fous: mkfs.ext3 has a manpage too
18:15<fous>o ok
18:16<fous>after that command u told me to put it in
18:16<Ceekay>ok i'll try the german channel. thx so far guys! ceeya
18:16<fous>ok got it
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18:18<fous>works well
18:18<padski>whats this new safe-upgrade ?
18:18<McFront>hi all, can sb tell me where i can found a running src mirror of woody?
18:18<padski>hey! that's pretty safe ;-)
18:19<fous>valdyn while im waiting ur saying I should use x?
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18:19<fous>right now just to make sure its up and running but I will ssh later
18:19<Supaplex>McFront: that'll be in archives or snapshots. oooollllddd old old.
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18:20<McFront>Supaplex: i know, im looking for and "old" src package, debians pool dir is usualy a nice archive for such things. know where i can grab it?
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18:20<Supaplex>McFront: not really. i'm contending with today.
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18:22<padski>McFront: he already said:
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18:23<fous>its tellin me this filesytem will be automatically checked every 37 mounts or 180 days wichever comes first. use tune2fs -c or -i to over ride it
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18:23<fous>then put the mount command couldn't find it
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18:24<padski>hmm ... so "upgrade" is deprecated. presumably there is a plan to repurpose it eventually.
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18:35<romain>y'a kelkun?
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18:36<romain>j'aimerai savoir si quelqu'un peut me dire les depot a mettre dans source liste pour avoir une debian testing evolutive
18:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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18:44<Supaplex>padski: i presume safe-upgrade won't break as much. I notice on my sid vserver guest, it's not taking the latest packages because their deps are not yet satisfiable
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18:47<padski>Supaplex: if I read the manual page correctly, it said no (non-automatic) removals. I don't mostly use aptitude, but I think this is different to what upgrade used to do ??
18:48<Supaplex>I see
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18:49<Supaplex>I don't recall it doing that, but it's been a while. not enough busywork to remember recently.
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18:50<tehryan>anyone here use wpa_supplicant?
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18:50<dkr>dpkg: anyone?
18:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
18:50<padski>Supaplex: nah. looks like more or less the same description as "upgrade" in woody.
18:51<padski>still, added "safe" ... thats and upgrade :-)
18:51<Supaplex>!anyone use wpa_supplicant
18:51<dpkg>No, no one uses wpa_supplicant, not even the people who use it.
18:52<padski>I do! ;-)
18:52<Supaplex>tehryan: ask us your wpa_supplicant related question :)
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18:53<tehryan>lol okay
18:53<tehryan>dpkg is sweet btw
18:54<tehryan>okay, so I have one of the atmel devices that are listed as compatible with wpa_supplicant
18:54<tehryan>its installed, the adapter works fine
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18:54<tehryan>but when I try using wpa_supplicant to get on my wpa-psk/tkip network at college
18:55<tehryan>it wont work
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18:55<tehryan>i have the .conf configured properly, i'm pretty sure
18:55<tehryan>the error i'm getting is "Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
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18:55<tehryan>so I even set the bssid in the .conf
18:55<Aleric>This is sucks:
18:55<Aleric>hikaru kernel: Oops: 0000 [1] SMP
18:55<tehryan>but the error doesn't change
18:55<Aleric>hikaru:~/videos>sudo rmmod pwc
18:55<Aleric>ERROR: Module pwc is in use
18:56<Aleric>And now I can't remove it anymore, or do anything :/
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18:56<adrian_>I am a first time linux user and I am getting desperate, I am contemplating going back to windows I cant get the Linux mce install link to work is there a server issue?
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18:56<Supaplex>oops's are not fun. you might have to reboot
18:57<Supaplex>adrian_: mce install? from where?
18:57<adrian_>from linux mce home
18:57<Supaplex>adrian_: does work any better?
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18:58<Aleric>*sigh* .. rebooting
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18:59<adrian_>Okay I am a noobie I have followed the guides installing ubuntu countless times in the last four days I have removed hardware and tried various releases but only the install mce link doesnt work where can I get help?
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19:00<Supaplex>adrian_: in #ubuntu for ubuntu. here for debian.
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19:00<eldowan>I have an mp3 that shows over 30 minutes in length, though it is about 10% of that. What would be the tool to use to correct the mp3?
19:02<eldowan>ah n/m I can reencode and it should fix it.
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19:02<adrian_>Thanks supaplex but sadly there is very few present in #ubuntu tonight? besides I need a linux mce forum?
19:02<f_mohr>is there a problem on the mirror servers with etch? on, and i get the error that 104 packages are missing (most of it 2.6.16-4 modules , 2.6.18-5 debs are in the directories on the servers)
19:02<Supaplex>adrian_: try freenode
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19:19<gsimmons_>tehryann: That error indicates that there's a problem with the driver regarding WPA. That's easy explained however: the at76_usb driver doesn't support WPA.
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19:19<Guest456>can i get help with an external drive problem?
19:19<vortex__>whats the problem?
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19:24<eldowan>I guess the problem was when he plugged his drive in it disconnected him from the channel?
19:25<vortex__>seems that way :P
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19:44<kurumin>tm alguem ai?
19:45<chealer>!tell kurumin about br<
19:45<chealer>!tell kurumin about br
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19:46<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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19:51<black_13>which is the best splash
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20:05<k-man>how do you configure where cron job output gets emailed?
20:05<k-man>or all system emails for that matter
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20:06<petemc>it goes to root, and most often you edit /etc/aliases to alias root to a normal account
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20:06<petemc>root: k-man
20:07<k-man>petemc, ok, thanks
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20:08<lennox>anyone know if theres anyway to get a usb logitech mouse to work with gpm?
20:09<k-man>petemc, can i set root:
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20:10<petemc>cron should also respect in the crontab file
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20:10<k-man>ah, thanks
20:10<k-man>but this alias is what I was after
20:10<petemc>all good then
20:10<k-man>i want all emails to be directed somewhere more useful
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20:14<mabecape>Hi i do have a dsb-c310 dlink webcam, i tried to configure it using the ov511 driver but i only see fancy images...any idea which driver i should use?
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20:14<O\work>nice service :>
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20:17<gpm>oh man, i can't wait for debian "stinky pete"
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20:25<doofy>anyone up for some retard assistance? :)
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20:26<doofy>I ned help with getting my meta working under xterm
20:26<doofy>I followed but without result, my alt-key still dosnt work as meta
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20:32<dpkg>methinks multimedia is See debian-multimedia...
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20:33<BoBo>what put in sources.list for multimedia ?
20:33<dpkg>debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
20:33<dondelelcaro>dpkg: no, multimedia is <reply> see debian-multimedia
20:33<dpkg>dondelelcaro: okay
20:34<BoBo>and what addres put in sources ?
20:34<dondelelcaro>BoBo: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch
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20:37<zobel>dpkg, listmaster is dondelelcaro, pasc, Cord, damog and zobel; join #debian-lists or mail
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20:40<BoBo>put key ?
20:40<BoBo>apt-key ?
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20:41<streuner>dpkg, listmaster is <reply> dondelelcaro, pasc, Cord, damog and zobel; join #debian-lists or mail
20:41<BoBo>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>
20:41<BoBo>how ?
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20:42<BoBo>tipe in console apt-key 1F41B907
20:42<zobel>dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to ignore me
20:43<streuner>me too :-)
20:43<zobel>dpkg: --pruge dpkg
20:43<zobel>hey, you should part now!
20:43<@Ganneff>no, not if you cant spell purge
20:44<zobel>hehe. you are right here.
20:44<zobel>Ganneff: btw, did you had a look into RT?
20:45<@Ganneff>zobel: no. will do this week
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20:45<zobel>dpkg, listmaster is <reply> dondelelcaro, pasc, Cord, damog and zobel; join #debian-lists or mail
20:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ganneff is one of our FTP-Assistants and member of the Debian Conference Orga Team. He also happens to be SPI admin, Debian Account Manager and a member of the OFTC NOC.
20:46<@Ganneff>zobel: dpkg is ignoring facts that are named listmaster. and only those. wait for dondelelcaro
20:46<@Ganneff>dont ask me why, but its exactly this one
20:46<zobel>where do you see that from? do you have logs somewhere?
20:47<@Ganneff>no. playing with dpkg in query (not annoying the chan).
20:47<@Ganneff>it happily takes other info, just not listmaster
20:47<BoBo>hou put
20:47<BoBo>this key
20:47<BoBo>apt-key 1F41B907
20:47<BoBo>to work debian media
20:48<george>Ganneff: would it also ignore .*liatmaster.*?
20:48<@Ganneff>george: what do i care?
20:48<streuner>BoBo: its described at, just visit the website
20:48<themill>!tell BoBo about dmme
20:49<george>that wasn't my question... but I accept your answer :)
20:50<chealer>george: more like list*
20:50<streuner>maybe its an command which dpkg doesnt like much
20:50<george>BoBo: overall the process is: get that key from the key server onto a file on your disk... then tell apt-key to pull it in from that file
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20:50<themill>chealer: yep... list* is bad for dpkg
20:50<streuner>the same with "find"
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20:51<george>two steps, is it pretty easy for you to understand?
20:51<themill>list master would be fine though it seems...
20:51<streuner>but who remember "list master"...
20:52<george>so it's words starting with list?
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20:52<BoBo>george, how start a video stream on web ? :)))
20:53<themill>george: yes. it has inbuilt commands for listauth, listkeys, listvalues. I'm guessing that's related...
20:53<george>that wasn't your question from before :P
20:53<george>themill: oh, ok... that's completely understandable
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20:54<themill>george: well... understandable in a "blootbot is a buggy mess" kind of way :)
20:54<streuner>xk did :-)
20:55<streuner>too bad he isnt much in IRC
20:55<streuner>!seen xk
20:55<dpkg>xk <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 2d 11h 41m 27s ago, saying: 'for another time!'.
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20:55<george>!for another time!
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20:57<BoBo>how create a video stream ?
20:57<george>hmm,,, maybe there was a moment when people were talking a bit on #debian-bots
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21:12<dondelelcaro>zobel, Ganneff: yeah, some sort of bug in the factoid module. I'll go through it later.
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21:13<george>dondelelcaro: there's postulation it has to do with listkeys, listvals etc
21:13<romain_>hi there is anybody here?
21:14<streuner>romain_: just ask
21:14[~]george is not just anybody...
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21:14<romain_>i have a wifi problem
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21:14<romain_>$ sudo ipw3945d
21:14<romain_>ipw3945d - regulatory daemon
21:14<romain_>Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
21:14<romain_>version: 1.7.22
21:14<romain_>2007-10-31 02:15:33: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
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21:15<streuner>why almost nobody read /topic before he ask?
21:15[~]streuner reads /topic...
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21:16[~]george has never had a wifi problem... I'm not married!
21:16<romain__>$ sudo ipw3945d
21:16<romain__>ipw3945d - regulatory daemon
21:16<romain__>Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
21:16<romain__>version: 1.7.22
21:16<romain__>2007-10-31 02:15:33: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
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21:17<lupine_85>so much fail, so little time
21:17<george>that would be a failure to understand
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21:18<streuner>hebus: dont flood
21:18<bzed>!tell hebus about pastebin
21:18<hebus>i have wireless problemm
21:18<lupine_85>we noticed
21:18<lupine_85>do you have the kernel module loaded?
21:18<dondelelcaro>george: it has nothing to do with that
21:19<hebus>yes i think
21:19<lupine_85>check lsmod and make sure
21:19<dondelelcaro>well, highly unlikely, anyway, as it's actually the Math module which is being triggered
21:19<lupine_85>also lspci to ensure that you're meant to be using the ipw drivers
21:20<hebus>$ lspci | grep ipw
21:20<hebus>no device found
21:20<hebus>i don't understand what is the problem
21:20<streuner>hebus: lsmod | grep ipw
21:20<lupine_85>the problem is that 1) you're not reading what is writen, and 2) you don't know what you're doing
21:20<hebus>$ lsmod | grep ipw
21:20<hebus>ipw3945 192740 0
21:20<hebus>ieee80211 31592 2 ipw3945,ieee80211softmac
21:20<hebus>firmware_class 9504 2 ipw3945,pcmcia
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21:21<lupine_85>...and 3) you keep pasting
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21:23<streuner_>Ganneff: that was our fault, we should know better what happens then...
21:23<@Ganneff>he had 2 kicks due to dumb floods already...
21:23<@Ganneff>he should have learned
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21:28<lennox>anyone know where to get for debian is there a apt-get for it?
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21:29<lupine_85>lennox: amarok and various other apps support
21:30<gravity>There's also lastfmsubmitd
21:30<bzed>apt-cache search lastfm :)
21:30<bzed>I think ther eis or was lastfm-player, too
21:31<bzed>apt-get install lastfm
21:31[~]lupine_85 huggles amarok
21:31<lennox>didnt think there would be one
21:31<lupine_85>nothing can replace it
21:31<bzed>lennox: use apt-cache search.
21:31<lennox>never used amarok
21:31<lennox>been using totem
21:31<bzed>lupine_85: defintely.
21:31<lennox>installing amarok now tho
21:31<lennox>thanks for the help btw fellas
21:32<lennox>just switched to debian from slackware
21:32<lennox>and its not going very smoothly :P
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21:32<bzed>lennox: ^
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21:33<lennox>bzed thanks
21:33<lennox>anyone know how to set the default browser
21:34<lennox>in xchat
21:34<lennox>so it stops using dillo
21:34<george>hmm, I misread dillo as...
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21:35<george>you know I'd like to know that too
21:35<george>but mostly I'd like to know:
21:36<george>any way to get sound (alsa) produced by a xen domU that uses one of the xen-3.1 kernels (2.6.18) that waldi made, and somehow send it to the dom0 so it can get to sound cards and speakers?
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21:41<black_13>how do determine what package provides pngtousplash
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21:42<lupine_85>is it a file in a package?
21:42<dondelelcaro>!tell black_13 -about search
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21:42<lupine_85>apt-files search is your friend
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21:45<black_13>george, apt-file search pngtousplash ?
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21:45<george>which is to say... you were right the second time :)
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21:46<black_13>didnt find didly
21:46<george>probably because didly isn't an apt file?
21:46<Blackthorn>How do I stop dealies from remembering root password / auto-authenticating? :)
21:47<george>didly and dealies!
21:47<lupine_85>possibly because apt-file update wasn't run yet?
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22:48<dondelelcaro>diegox: the introductory stuff should be covered in the installation manual, but if you have specific questions, ask away.
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22:48<diegox>hello I'm new in linux and I have a problem when trying to install debian amd64 from a dvd image.
22:50<diegox>after booting i get the promt and press enter, but when the installer is detecting the hardware sudenly it freezes without any error message
22:50<diegox>can anyone help me on this please?
22:51<lennox>you completed the install, yet it locks when booting?
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22:51<diegox>no, it locks before the installer is loaded
22:52<dondelelcaro>diegox: you can try with noacpi; on the prompt and see if that helps. If you hit F2 et al. there are some options which may help it boot
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22:53<diegox>what does this command do?
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22:54<fous>valdyn I tryed everything that u told me at the time I still want to work at it I also did it threw ssh but for some reason after it formats and makes the files system it still can't find it. should I make 1tb raid 0?
22:55<dondelelcaro>diegox: it turns off the acpi support. Pressing the F-keys like F2 will show you the help menus that explains it
22:55<paulydoodles>anyoen used tripwire with the new mepis ???
22:55<diegox>thank you very much dondelelcaro. I'll try that.
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23:01<datura>How hard do you think it would be for an ambitious non-idiot noob to setup remote administration and maybe even shell use?
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23:01<datura>i dont mean to make fun of people who could be thought as "idiots"
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23:02<dondelelcaro>datura: not too difficult
23:02<dondelelcaro>datura: really depends on how much you know to start with, and how fast you learn.
23:03<datura>dondelelcaro: would telnet be good?
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23:03<datura>i can do simple commands and today i ran a 'hello world' script
23:04<paulydoodles>eventually after another 10 years youll need a pry bar to do anything bad with a system
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23:04<paulydoodles>till then i guess its goo that theres a brand of linux to keep loading after it gets broke
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23:05<datura>paulydoodles i thought almost the same thing today! i was watching a google tech talk by,,uh,, some guy who made,,, i think,,, tcpdump or some neat commands,,, he works for google and theroizes what you dreed.
23:05<k-man>how can i tar up a few directories on one computer and move that tar file to another? the directories in question will add up to about 8gig
23:06<k-man>the first computer doesn't have enough hdd to make a tar file on that computer and then transfer it
23:06<dondelelcaro>datura: you pretty much do everything nowadays using ssh
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23:06<datura>what is ssh exaclty? hope you dont mind such a blind question.
23:07<k-man>its like telnet only secure
23:07<datura>oh cool
23:07<brunomiguel>hello. i'm trying to compile liferea from source, but when I apt-get buil-dep liferea, I get an error about not being able to satisfy all the dependencies
23:07<paulydoodles>try using policy 2 ssh they say its safer than 1
23:08<k-man>datura, but it can do a lot more than telnet also.. but basicaly its a secure shell (or access to a shell securely)
23:08<datura>tonight i'll check it out,,, i kinda want to put irc away
23:08<datura>cool k-man
23:08<datura>not gone
23:09<brunomiguel>is there anyway to report it to the package maintainer?
23:09<brunomiguel>oh, it's in Lenny
23:09<datura>yeah paulydoodles?
23:10<dondelelcaro>brunomiguel: if it's a problem in unstable, you can use reportbug to do it
23:10<dondelelcaro>brunomiguel: if it's in lenny, then check to see if it would work in unstable
23:10<datura>can i use ssh in windows command?
23:10<dondelelcaro>datura: using putty, yes.
23:10<brunomiguel>dondelelcaro: how?
23:11<datura>im on wiki for secure shell now
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23:11<paulydoodles>shoot got to busy and forgot datura
23:11<datura>what did you forget?
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23:12<paulydoodles>are you any good with debian
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23:13<bongo_>i had a problem today installing debian with netiso 4.0
23:13<bongo_>the connection had to pass for a proxy server
23:13<bongo_>and when it asked for the proxy i putted, but it doesn't seems to point to it
23:14<bongo_>so, i'm not sure how could i verify the proxy connections. to download the updates
23:14<datura>paulydoodles,,, me? I just converted from mac a month ago (really!) i can install with apt-get, know simple commands and can use pipes a little bit...
23:14<bongo_>i only have a shell environmnet
23:14<datura>im not great but... im trying
23:14<paulydoodles>ahhh why the change??
23:16<datura>Dude! debian has better ideals,,, free software and advancement go more-so handinhand than a bisness.... mac os x is great,,, debian is more of a challange. Sure i could of done some neat things with macosx, maybe even quicker than with deb but debian is... cool.
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23:17<paulydoodles>ive used mac a bit so i was just wondering
23:17<paulydoodles>the free thing sure is good huh
23:17<datura>ooohhh,,, yeah absolutly,,, i got to support that! anyone should, i dont care if its even my mom!
23:18<paulydoodles>wb tator
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23:18<kmap>Debianers, a friend swears that his ~/.Xresources isn't being read at login
23:18<datura>debian runs better on my powerpc imac (circa 99) also
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23:19<kmap>Can anyone help with a workaround? he uses KDE
23:19<paulydoodles>anything runs better with debian i think lol
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23:19<datura>for sure p.doodles
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23:19<chuy_max>hi, I can't mount my hard disk drive any more :S, when I try to mount it I get an error that tells me to look at dmesg|tail, and it gives me this error: EXT3-fs: unsupported inode size: 0. Can anyone help me out with this problem?
23:20<bongo_>anyone there?
23:20<bongo_>to help me out with a network configuration?
23:20<datura>microsoft is such a joke,,, i wish that company was put out.
23:20<chuy_max>!tell bongo_ about ask
23:21<datura>... kindly
23:21<paulydoodles>yeah billy just advertised harder and got govt backing
23:21<bongo_>well already did
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23:22<brunomiguel>lobbies in the work. the recent UE decision is an example of that
23:22<datura>brunomiguel: regarding microsoft?
23:23<bongo_>i've installed debian via netiso, so the access to internet had to pass through a proxy, i couldnt configure it well i think, and know im not able to update debian, with desktop and dns tools, so i need help configuring my network on debian to be able to point the proxy and get eventually get acces to internet
23:23<brunomiguel>no software patentes are allowed in UE, but patents are.
23:23<brunomiguel>it's a sensitive matter, but the UE decision was almost disgusting :S
23:23<datura>yeah.... good point,,,, it holds Everyone back exept their pocket book
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23:24<datura>but, truth is everyone here at least knows it.
23:24<brunomiguel>that hould be a decision I would expect to see in portugal not the UE :S
23:24<datura>what did they decide?
23:25<brunomiguel>so far, the patents office, or whats the name, decided to let microsoft receive an amount of money everytime a free software developer uses a patent owned by microsoft
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23:26<brunomiguel>and it's a lot of money you have to pay for a single use of a single patent
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23:26<brunomiguel>imagine you use 3 patents, 4 times
23:26<datura>dude pardon me but f-that...
23:26<brunomiguel>you couldn't write a single piece of code
23:26<brunomiguel>sad, but true :(
23:26<datura>theres a time for rebelion
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23:26<brunomiguel>no, it«s time to lobby things
23:27<brunomiguel>play in the same terms
23:27<datura>ok ok...
23:27<bongo_>chuy_max: thank you, that might be helpful
23:27<paulydoodles>looks pretty cool\
23:27<datura>no sropusly your right,,, i just feel gov't can be too slow some times
23:27<brunomiguel>it's this simples things that remind me why I changed to GNU/Linux
23:28<datura>i sould distribute a super friendly distro to my neighbors... i dont feel worthy yet
23:29<brunomiguel>I'm not a programmer (hello worlds don't count), just a simple desktop user and I love it (GNU/Linux) :D
23:29<datura>that and the bottle of wine is adding to my gusto right now
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23:30<brunomiguel>got to run. it's late and i'm sleepy.
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23:30<nick516>anyone had any luck with wifi on debian?
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23:30<Supaplex>well, when needed, yes
23:31<nick516>I cand get it to work
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23:31<nick516>ndiswrapper wpa_supplicant
23:31<Supaplex>ahhh, how sad.
23:31<Supaplex>!don't work
23:31<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
23:32<bongo_>export http_proxy= could i put the ip number besides all http thing?
23:32<nick516>no connection
23:32<Supaplex>usb? pci? isa? magic?
23:32<nick516>freeze etc
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23:32<Supaplex>what drivers are you using?
23:32<Supaplex>do they load?
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23:33<Supaplex>ok. any errors? What kidn of freeze?
23:33<Supaplex>smells of a USR.
23:33<Supaplex>enlighten us
23:33<nick516>most times sometimes freeze
23:33<Supaplex>as in networking just dies, or you have to reboot your system?
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23:33<Supaplex>or it gets freakisly cold in there?
23:34<nick516>wpa_suppliment configuration and set up not clear
23:34<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep 200
23:35<k-man>is there anything wrong with this? tar cvfz test.tar.gz -T filelist
23:35<k-man>tar segfaults when I try that
23:35<Supaplex>k-man: f should be the last switch, for one.
23:35<Supaplex>eg, tar ...f file
23:36<k-man>ok, that still segfaults
23:36<Supaplex>what version of tar?
23:36<nick516> lspci -nn | grep 200
23:36<nick516>00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX [1113:1211] (rev 10)
23:37<k-man>gnu tar 1.16
23:37<lennox>anyone here have any experience with quake1 in debian?
23:38<Supaplex>nick516: that's also an 8139 realtek? alias pci:v00001113d00001211sv*sd*bc*sc*i* 8139too
23:38<Supaplex>nick516: are you sure it's not usb?
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23:39<nick516>I have not set up ndiswrapper yet reinstall debian few times trying
23:40<k-man>Supaplex, fyi, it turns out I had an extra newline in the file list
23:40<k-man>Supaplex, and tar did not like that at all
23:40<Supaplex>k-man: sounds like a canidate for reportbug. check <bts> for something similar, and eventually that problem should not happen again.
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23:41<Supaplex>nick516: show us lsusb at
23:41<k-man>Supaplex, surely thats a bug with tar though?
23:41<Supaplex>k-man: correct
23:41<Supaplex>segfaults are bad. :)
23:41<k-man>but your suggesting i report the bug on debian bts? or the tar bts?
23:41<Supaplex>k-man: reportbug tar
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23:44<k-man>Supaplex, ah... its there already
23:44<Supaplex>!nopaste howto
23:44<dpkg>rumour has it, pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here.
23:44<iamtravis>hello, i'm trying to find the floppy boot parted program mentioned here but that link doesn't work, is there one for debian?
23:44<Supaplex>nick516: ^^^ (dpkg)
23:45<k-man>Supaplex, so what do I do if the bug is already reported?
23:46<Supaplex>k-man: try to avoid it now.
23:46<k-man>i love it when i find a bug
23:46<k-man>but its a bit dissapointing when someone else has already reported it
23:47<Supaplex>k-man: reportting bugs helps them go away eventually. if you're so inclined, you could work on a patch, or see if upstream or some other distro already made one.
23:47<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
23:47<Supaplex>I fixed a bug with that some months ago
23:47<k-man>Supaplex, yeah... i should...
23:47<k-man>Supaplex, really? cool
23:47<Supaplex>esp if you can code :) but look for that wheel first.
23:48<Supaplex>yup. 358855
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23:48<iamtravis>i didn't see an option to resize from the rescue mode of the cd
23:49<nick516>Supaplex apt-get install ndiswrapper
23:49<nick516>Reading package lists... Done
23:49<nick516>Building dependency tree... Done
23:49<nick516>E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper
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23:50<Supaplex>!tell nick516 -about nopaste howto
23:50<Supaplex>i guess he glossed over that...
23:54<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: yo, can you help me with some CMD: fu?
23:55<Supaplex>hummm I'll try on my own for now. :)
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23:59<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: if you give whatever you're trying to do a shot publicly, I'll fix whatever is wrong with it
23:59<Supaplex>i'm making noise in freenode/#debian-bots atm.
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