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---Logopened Wed Oct 31 00:00:03 2007
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00:04<chuy_max>can anyone tell me how to find a partition's file system?
00:05<lennox>chuy_max: fdisk -l
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00:06<chuy_max>thanks lennox, mmm, it currently has ext3, but it is damaged or something :S -> Disk /dev/hdb2 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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00:07<chuy_max>I tried fsck, and it returned me: Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/hdb2 exited with signal 8.
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00:09<lennox>try fsck -c
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00:11<chuy_max>lennox, same error
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00:16<lennox>no clue ;\
00:17<lennox>anyone know what apt-get i need to get a java chat working in firefox?
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00:24<k-man>when i log in to X, terminal gives me bizzare characters. IE, pressing space gives 7 and pressing enter gives a space
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00:25<k-man>actually, its not limited to terminal, it does it anywhere in X
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00:26<k-man>cripes, pressing shift gives me a 1
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00:27<k-man>maybe i should just reinstall X?
00:27<k-man>i dunno what to do
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00:38<k-man>i think my whole X setup is screwed
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00:42<k-man>when i create a new user and log in to X with that user, nothing comes up
00:42<k-man>no wm or anything
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00:48<iamtravis>hey, i just tried using the paud program from sourceforge, it loads the initial floppy fine but the second one it says invalid gzip magic, they're both .img files so i disk dumped them.. does anybody know a program that i can boot from to rearrange my partitions?
00:49<iamtravis>first one has the ide drivers but not the scsi..
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00:51<lou>iamtravis: what you mean resize them or you want to copy your distro from one partition to the other one?
00:51<iamtravis>i ran out of room on root to install this kernel module for the 2.6.22 kernel, so i need to make some room
00:52<iamtravis>i think i figure it out though.. i just copied their instructions fromt he website, but i extracted it fine just now.. gonna give it another go
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00:57<ekram>nybody there?
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00:58<lou>hi ekram
00:58<iamtravis>nope.. now i reached an invalid EOF
00:58<lou>did it work iam
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00:58<ekram>i have around 60 client running debian
00:58<iamtravis>i coulda swore i seen the scsi module extracted though.. don't know why it won't work on my drives
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00:59<ekram>both sarg and later some ettch
00:59<lou>yeha i am running etch and lenny you cant go wrong with etch very stable and dependable
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00:59<lou>did you try gpart iam
00:59<ekram>but 3 of them stop responding when there is no traffiic
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01:00<ekram>mostly in late night
01:00<iamtravis>i don't know if that'd work unless you can schedule changes for your next boot.. since i can't seem to unmount /
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01:01<ekram>would anybody know what would be the problem?
01:01<iamtravis>i downloaded the parted.static program and put that on a floppy disc, maybe i did it wrong
01:02<iamtravis>oh neat.. i'll give this gparted a try
01:02<lou>iamtravis: i never used that so i dont really know like i said i tried many things and gpart always worked for me
01:02<lou>just backup your data first
01:03<iamtravis>i don't have anything to lose.. except windows and this.. if that happens i'll just start from scratch :p
01:04<iamtravis>i hope the cdburner works.. haven't used it yet -> yeah i'm at that website now
01:04<lou>so your not on debian now i would say you could always apt-get gpart if neeeded it
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01:05<iamtravis>ah.. i am on debian, i just started downloading the livecd, and am gonna try booting into that
01:06<Supaplex>!pciid 00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX [1113:1211] (rev 10)
01:06<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 1113:1211 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
01:06<Supaplex>k-man: check that out. :)
01:06<lou>iamtravis: its pretty easy to use
01:07<iamtravis>as i remember, the command line one wasn't too bad either, made things nice and explainatory.. i hope it works out, i don't want to spend another 2-3 days getting it setup right
01:07<k-man>Supaplex, ?
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01:08<Supaplex>k-man: you only had one device show up from lspci -nn | grep 200 right?
01:08<lou>iamtravis: i dont which one that is .... that command one only one i know thats command line is cfdisk
01:09<lou>iamtravis: thtas for deleting and creating partitions not for resizing them
01:09<lou>wow looks at my spelling and falls off chair damn i must be tired lol
01:10<iamtravis>the first time i installed debian there was a variant of fdisk i think, and the whole process was kind of command line /ncurses like.. i really like the new install process
01:10<lou>iamtravis: which one is the command one???
01:10<iamtravis>there's one that's just called parted
01:11<ne>hi! I am using Debian-etch. I want to receive my mails from a POP STMP mail sever and then I wan to forward only the mail comes from one particular address to antoher mail address. what would you suggest? thanks
01:11<lou>iamtravis: actually i miss the old expert26 installs not really crazy about gui installs but it helps many so its a good thing i suppose
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01:17<iamtravis>ok here goes nothing
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01:24<don>hello I am i the opnly one one here/
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02:10<acidfish>hi all
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02:14<chuy_max>any idea on why I might get EXT3-fs: unsupported inode size: 0 in dmesg after trying to mount a hard disk (ext3)?
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02:25<Supaplex>just a guess, but an fsck might be in order?
02:32<valdyn>ne: how are you intending to recieve the mail? with fetchmail?
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03:08<ne>valdyn: may be yes. after i received mails, i want to forward only mails whic comes from a particular domain to my another address.
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03:51<twb>Howdy; on Debian Sid I'm having trouble with `sudo module-assistant auto-install vmware-server-kernel-source'
03:51<twb>It's failing in a way I'm not used to.
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03:51<twb>Unpacking replacement vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-3-amd64 ...
03:51<twb>Segmentation fault
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03:56<twb>Eek, it's # depmod -a ==> Segmentation fault
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04:27<iamtravis>hey, does anybody know a mini-linux distribution with scsi support and parted on it? i tried the gparted program but it doesn't load
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04:29<iamtravis>i found one on sourceforge that has limited support for mounted ext2 filesystems.. but i don't want to try that on a ext3 :p
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04:35<istoc>Hi, where can I get some help in C?
04:35<padski>istoc: with C itself, or with programming in C ?
04:35<istoc>programming in C
04:36<istoc>Im switching from java to C, need some help with passing strings
04:36<padski>I missed a chance there ...
04:36<padski>main(){puts"there's noone here but us debian users\n";}
04:36<padski>ish ...
04:37<istoc>yea, its a bit late
04:37<Supaplex>nawe, 2:30am is *early* honest!
04:37<padski>istoc: a string is generally just an array of char terminated by nul
04:37<mhash>istoc, ##c on freenode
04:37<padski>istoc: you pass pointers to them, you don't put them on the stack
04:38<istoc>I have a function that accepts a char array, I need to know how to pass a single char to it without having to declar that char as its own array
04:39<padski>istoc: your function takes *char (a pointer to char) pass it a pointer to char.
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04:39<padski>istoc: pointers is what you are missing
04:39<padski>istoc: no pointers in java ?
04:40<istoc>it's all handled by defualt
04:40<padski>istoc: yeah, gc
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05:09<bong>hi i installed debian with netiso
05:10<bong>and now i'd like to download all the updates, how could i do that?
05:12<chealer>bong: did you go in Synaptic?
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05:25<iamtravis>bong: if you check out desktop administration there's a software updates option there
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05:27<onepamopa>need help with ati drivers (from official page)
05:29<onepamopa>be right back. need to reboot
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05:43<debed> to create zip folders in DEBIAN using gzip
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05:44<Eulex>debed, gzip doesn't create zip archives, it creates a gzipped file of a single file.
05:44<debed>i used gzip -h <folder name>
05:44<debed>Eulex, then how to create a zip on folder
05:44<Eulex>debed, to gzip several files, you need to combine it with tar.
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05:45<debed>any eg please
05:45<debed>Eulex, any eg
05:46<Eulex>debed, this can be done with like tar -czf filename.tar.gz <directory name>. c means create an archive, z that it should be gzip-compressed, and f that the file to be created follows after this.
05:46<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory"
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05:47<Eulex>debed, but note that still zip != gzip
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05:47<debed>Eulex, thnks
05:47<Eulex>debed, to create a _zip_ archive, use the zip utility available in the zip package
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06:22<onepamopa>ati drivers work like .... my old 3dfx voodoo banchee ;)
06:22<onepamopa>something is very wrong
06:23<onepamopa>did someone wants to help me?
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06:24<Supaplex>target=`${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} $ac_config_sub $target_alias`
06:24<Supaplex>what's ${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} ?
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06:25<berto>Supaplex: the value of $CONFIG_SHELL, or /bin/sh if not defined
06:25<berto>echo ${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} and you'll see the result
06:26<onepamopa>I think everyone sleeps
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06:26<Supaplex>thanks :)
06:27<onepamopa>XGate:/etc/X11# fgl_glxgears
06:27<onepamopa>Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
06:27<onepamopa>Segmentation fault
06:27<Supaplex>buhuhuuuuu.... paydirt in config.sub
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06:28<RicBR>where is the process descriptor source located on Linux Kernel?
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06:29<Supaplex>RicBR: as in /proc/<pid> ?
06:29<RicBR>yes. Where is the implementation of that data structure?
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06:30<RicBR>nevermind, found it: linux/sched.h
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06:32<Supaplex>well, that's a pretty good answer. binutils has way too many variants to consider sane building and mirroring of all them :P binutils-*/config.sub wow.
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07:23<debed>can anyone give me one good stable source....
07:24<debed>bcos when i am upgrading my system from a stable source....its stopping in middle due to some error in linux-image fetching
07:24<debed>so how to continue aftert that
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07:25<Eulex>from stable to what?
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07:26<panthera>you probably want to fix your internet connection, or use one of the primary mirrors.
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07:26<panthera>primary mirrors are listed at:
07:26<debed>Eulex, so do u think its my internet probs...
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07:27<debed>panthera, yeah i have tried using de.debian and au.debian
07:27<Eulex>debed, no idea without seeing the actual error.
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07:27<debed>and few more others which were nearer to my country..but in each and evry mirror the problem is with the fetching of linux-image
07:28<Eulex>did you apt-get update after editing your sources.list?
07:29<debed>yeah apt-get update is working fine
07:29<debed>but after that im using apt-get diost-upgrdae...and its stopping in middle due to an error in linux-image
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07:29<chealer>debed: any good mirror is a good stable source.
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07:30<Eulex>!tell debed about bat
07:31<flami>Hi , is it normal that symlinks "vanish" . I made a symlink a few weeks ago from /var/chroot/apache/var/run/ to /var/run/ and its gone now .
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07:33<twb>flami: er, one would expect start-stop-daemon to remove pidfiles.
07:33<flami>ah yeha ^^
07:33<flami>im dumb :P
07:33<flami>no wonder tha symlink vanished ... logrotate restarted apache .
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07:35<debed>Eulex, did u see nay info i pasted in the url u suggested
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07:36<Eulex>debed, no, you have to paste the url here too, it won't reach us by telepathy.
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07:38<twb>Good grief.
07:38<lupine_85>Eulex: speak for yourself :p
07:38<lupine_85>and I suggest an apt-get update
07:38<twb>On further reflection, it occurs to me that was probably a typo rather than hakspek.
07:39<debed>Eulex, what do u think now
07:39<lupine_85>stable is on 18-5 these days
07:39<Eulex>debed, apt-get update, the 2.6.18-4 kernel has been superceded by 2.6.18-5
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07:40<debed>Eulex, yeah even im doing that....apt-get update is sucessful
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07:41<debed>but inorder to unpack the pckgs we need to run apt-get im facing oprob there
07:41<Eulex>I don't see the problem
07:41<Eulex>and apt-get is hardly what is actually unpacking your packages.
07:41<lupine_85>if you're not doing something wrong, then the mirror is broken. are you sure you're not confusing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
07:42<chealer>debed: which version of linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 do you have?
07:42<debed>chealer, how to know that
07:42<debed>chealer, any cmmnd
07:42<chealer>debed: what's your favorite package manager?
07:42<debed>chealer, synaptic
07:43<chealer>debed: isn't it obvious in Synaptic?
07:44<alexandrods>alxandrod @ debian servers / #debian (+ntcl 310
07:45<debed>chealer, 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11
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07:45<chealer>debed: is linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 installed?
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07:46<debed>chealer, no
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07:46<chealer>debed: start by installing it and booting into it
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07:48<debed>chealer, yess i installed it but what is meant by booting into it...
07:48<iamtravis>hello, i just got the 2.6.22 backport setup, and my sound still isn't working.. did the alsaconf and all that
07:48<debed>chealer, yeah doing that
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07:49<chealer>debed: reboot
07:49<gsimmons_>!tell iamtravis -about alsa-checklist
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07:50<cahoot>iamtravis: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav (as user) in a term - noise or error?
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07:52<iamtravis>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono with it cranked
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07:52<debed>chealer, im not uderstanding though after booting from linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 and after running apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade...its showing error for linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
07:53<iamtravis>yep.. i don't have the esound or arts installed, or the programs are under different names
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07:53<cahoot>not needed per se
07:53<iamtravis>cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp tells me device busy
07:54<Eulex>lsof|grep /dev/dsp? lsof|grep /dev/snd?
07:54<cahoot>iamtravis: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* to see what's occupying it
07:54<iamtravis>4 for /dev/snd none for /dev/dsp
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07:55<cahoot>what four?
07:55<debed>chealer, now i also see an error after apt-get update...
07:55<chealer>debed: yes, now you can remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
07:55<iamtravis>-> /dev/snd/controlC0 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: /dev/snd/timer:
07:56<debed>chealer, W: GPG error: stable Release: Unknown error executing gp gv
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07:56<cahoot>what process/app is using them?
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07:57<iamtravis>/dev/snd/controlC0 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/snd/timer /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p are the 4 from lsof| grep /dev/snd
07:57<iamtravis>sound-juicer i think it's called for all of them
07:57<cahoot>iamtravis: so kill sound-juicer and try aplay again
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07:58<iamtravis>Playing raw data '01 - XVI.ogg' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono still no sound coming out
07:59<cahoot>iamtravis: see if invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 makes any difference
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08:01<iamtravis>lol.. did that and now amixer won't even start so i can check again if it's muted
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08:01<cahoot>iamtravis: that should have both unmuted and set levels
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08:02<iamtravis>wow, this is messed up, i just did a alsaconf again expecting it to reload everything like it was.. now i can't even get the gui for it
08:02<iamtravis>it has the default volumes and stuff on it now
08:03<Eulex>iamtravis, non-zero and unmuted?
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08:04<iamtravis>from a quick look at amixer's man page i did amixer scontrols and got back a list with a ,0 after each listing
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08:07<chandu>I have a machine, " Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo P5925(iQ35 vPro chipset)"
08:07<chandu>with 2.6.19 kernel
08:08<chandu>I am trying to download an image of about 550 MB , from my server , using wget
08:08<iamtravis>simple? lol, i have to know the heartbeat of my soundcard to do this stuff
08:08<chandu>Its taking more time to download
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08:08<chandu>May I know what may be the problem
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08:08<chandu>The same operation, takes very less time in other machines
08:08<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Can you provide /etc/modprobe.d/sound at a pastebin? We may need to force the use of a certain model for the codec chip.
08:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
08:09<chandu>And it is detecting the hard drive a s/dev/hda
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08:09<chandu>But it is a SATA hard drive
08:10<chandu>and in BIOS EMULATION settings options available are "AUTO" and "DISABLE", I have set it to AUTO
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08:10<chandu>Please some one help me on this
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08:11<gsimmons_>iamtravis: That isn't what I asked for.
08:11<chandu>Can any one give me some tips on my problem
08:11<flami>would the fstab equivalent to "mount --bind /source /destination" be : " /source /destination none bind 0 0 " ?
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08:16<gsimmons_>iamtravis: Modify the third line to read "options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=5stack".
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08:17<iamtravis>done, now what?
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08:26<iamtravis>it's still not going after a reboot, not muted or anything
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08:32<user01>how do i get audio playback for ac3 mp4 videos in the inernet archive? xvid works
08:33<user01>video works but no audio
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08:35<user01>vlc might play it dunno but not available for lenny
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08:39<chandu>can any one answer my query
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09:09<twb>NEW: --ALERT-- [rootkit005a] Chkrootkit has found a file which seems to be infected because of a rootkit
09:09<twb>How do I go about analysing this report?
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09:13<weasel>find out how the check is done, i.e. what it checks for
09:13<weasel>then find out if whatever that is is ok or not
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09:13<twb>Google suggests it's just scared because 1008 was randomly assigned to rpc.mountd, and it assumes 1008 is for `bindshell'
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09:24<axxum>hi all
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09:54<debed>i have problems with starting apt-cacher ..can any one solve it out and help me
09:54<debed>debian:/home/bharat# /etc/init.d/apt-cacher restart
09:54<debed>Restarting Apt-Cacher: apt-cacher/usr/sbin/apt-cacher: No cache_dir/private directory!
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09:55<debed>Eulex, hai
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09:55<debed>sascha, hi
09:56<debed>ramoonas, hai
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09:58<debed>anyone here.....can solve my problems with apt-cacher
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10:00<sascha>hi ther
10:00<debed>sascha, hai
10:00<sascha>finally 7.10
10:01<maxamillion>sascha: wrong channel, wrong distro
10:01<debed>sascha, heyy im unable to start my apt-cacher
10:01<sascha>mh... actually got no problems with my ubuntu ... just moved to this channel ..
10:02<sascha>u cant start the apt catcher?
10:02<maxamillion>sascha: just give it time, ubuntu will crash and it won't boot anymore .. and then you will install debian and see the light
10:02<debed>sascha, Restarting Apt-Cacher: apt-cacher/usr/sbin/apt-cacher: No cache_dir/private directory!
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10:03<debed>sascha, when im restarting my getting the above prob
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10:03<sascha>@max, maybe .. got this problem before, but i never tried pure debian ... what are the pros?
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10:05<maxamillion>sascha: stability and security are my main selling points ... and i like being able to customize everything from the ground up
10:06<debed>apt-cacher installation and starting probs...can anyone help me out
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10:06<sascha>yeah ... i started linux with command line... that was years ago and now i'm completly enjoying the comfort of a guy with 0Configuration
10:06<sascha>the only thing i'm hacking on is my wireless adapter
10:06<debed>foolano, hii
10:08<sascha>mh.. i think i start downloading debain
10:08<debed>sascha, hello
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10:17<debed>anyone here using apt-cacher
10:17<lupine_85>apt-cache, yes
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10:19<debed>lupine_85, heyy i upgraded my system from a stable source
10:19<debed>lupine_85, and when im restrting my apt-cacher after configuring it shows the following error
10:20<debed>lupine_85, debian:/home/bharat# /etc/init.d/apt-cacher restart
10:20<debed>Restarting Apt-Cacher: apt-cacher/usr/sbin/apt-cacher: No cache_dir/private directory!
10:20<lupine_85>not a clue, sorry
10:21<debed>lupine_85, which source r u using...stable or testing
10:21<debed>lupine_85, i sucefully configured in testing,....
10:21<lupine_85>with some unstable
10:21<debed>lupine_85, but in stable
10:22<debed>lupine_85, im finding these sort of errors..i guess im missing soem perl /usr/sbin/apt-cacher its showing a perl module
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10:22<bighornram>Getting errors on upgrade today (lenny)
10:22<bighornram>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnome2-common_2.20.1.1-1_all.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1)
10:22<bighornram>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ntp_1%3a4.2.4p4+dfsg-2_i386.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1)
10:23<debed>bighornram, hmmmm
10:23<bighornram>is this my machine or a bug in the upgrade package
10:23<Eulex>bighornram, is your file system healthy? might it be full?
10:23<debed>Eulex, haan im waiting for u actually
10:23<bighornram>golly don't think so. better check. :)
10:24<Eulex>debed, I did run apt-cacher a while ago... but for me it just worked (tm) and I never had such a problem
10:25<debed>Eulex, i also made it succeful in testing source...but when im doing in finding these errors
10:25<bighornram>nautlius reports 89GB Free space
10:26<Eulex>bighornram, and your debian install is on one partition and not split?
10:26<bighornram>is split
10:26<Eulex>then check all your partitions
10:26<Eulex>I'd recommend the df -h command
10:26<debed>Eulex, keeping the source as stable do i have nay alternative idea to get apt-cacher from tyesting
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10:27<Eulex>debed, you could perform a simple sid backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport), but get the source package from testing. you could also try to install the testing package onto stable, but that's fully on your own risk.
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10:28<debed>Eulex, no no i already had the risk so im again shifting to stable....
10:28<debed>Eulex, and whta is this back port
10:28<bighornram>root is 100% others are all ok
10:29<Eulex>bighornram, make room on the / partition then.
10:29<Eulex>debed, /msg dpkg simple sid backport
10:29<debed>Eulex, shud i run this in terminal
10:30<Eulex>no, you enter it in irc.
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10:30<Eulex>and the dpkg bot will reply with instructions.
10:31<debed>Eulex, its looking great...but do u think any risks follow
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10:32<debed>Eulex, apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
10:32<debed>Eulex, ehat is source in it
10:32<Eulex>debed, apt-cacher might break more than it already has. that's about the risk you take.
10:33<debed>Eulex, haha
10:33<Eulex>debed, 'source' is a command to apt-get, like 'install' or 'dist-upgrade'
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10:34<debed>Eulex, can u replace the terms with exact commands
10:34<Eulex>s/packagename/apt-cacher/g will prolly be enough.
10:35<debed>Eulex, pschh i dint get that
10:35<Eulex>then go learn regular expressions ;)
10:36<Eulex>the above means to replace 'packagename' by 'apt-cacher'
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10:37<debed>Eulex, okie shall i keep in place of 'source' install or dist-upgrade and also should i comment the stable source in sources.list????
10:37<Eulex>no, you should not comment out anything in sources.list, just add
10:37<Eulex>and you should not replace anything but 'packagename' in the commands.
10:38<debed>Eulex, okie thank u very much...i will just have it a try now
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10:45<debed>Eulex, apt-get build-dep apt-cacher;apt-get -b source apt-cacher;
10:45<debed>Eulex, after using that its showing E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
10:45<Eulex>thus you failed at step 1
10:46<Eulex>"1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list."
10:46<debed>Eulex, no i kept both stable and testing
10:46<Eulex>did you run apt-get update after you added a deb-src line for testing or unstable (whichever you chose)?
10:46<Eulex>debed, 'kept both stable and testing', weren't you on stable?
10:47<debed>Eulex, yeah the system got updated from both stable and testing sources
10:47<debed>Eulex, deb stable main contrib non-free
10:47<debed>deb testing main contrib non-free
10:47<debed>Eulex, thats i how i kept in the last two lines of sources.list
10:48<Eulex>debed, did you set a default-release? otherwise, it's very likely that you're on _testing_.
10:48<debed>Eulex, the two lines aren't ok???
10:48<Eulex>debed, put 'apt-cache policy libc6' and 'cat /etc/debian_version' in a pastebin
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10:49<Eulex>debed, if you want to be on testing, they are ok.
10:49<debed>Eulex, so u wnated me to put one comment on one source after updating
10:49<Eulex>debed, with this configuration, all new packages will be installed from testing. and if you dist-upgrade you will upgrade to testing.
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10:50<debed>Eulex, nono i dont wnat that.....i earlier had that i wanted to shifty to stable withapt-cacher working fien bcos i have a LAn here
10:50<Eulex>debed, no, this is completely unrelated to your apt-cacher question, I'm trying to find out whether you're on testing or stable.
10:50<datura>hey dudes..
10:51<debed>Eulex, i wanted to be on stable
10:51<Eulex>debed, note that downgrading is not supported if you have happened to upgrade to testing. but could you please run those commands in a terminal and paste the output in a pastebin so we can find out?
10:51<Eulex>actually, downgrading is not possible, even.
10:51<debed>Eulex, wher is pastrebin
10:52<Eulex>debed, , for example
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10:54<debed>Eulex, srry i never uised xchgat much...can u giimme an entire link of pastebin
10:55<Eulex>debed, what I gave you above is an 'entire link'
10:56<debed>Eulex, yeah pasted
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10:58<Eulex>debed, you appear to be safe, you do not appear to have upgraded to testing accidently. remove the testing line in sources.list. although note that there might be a few packages on your system that are from testing, but it's very hard to find out which.
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10:59<Eulex>debed, you should not add deb lines of other releases of debian in sources.list if you do not know exactly what you're doing. the configuration you had above leads to that all newly installed packages are taken from testing.
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11:00<Eulex>debed, in any case, after you've fixed your sources.list (removed testing deb line, added deb-src line for testing or sid), continue with the instructions dpkg gave you.
11:01<debed>Eulex, yeah i removed testing source in my sources.list and then followed with this step
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11:02<Eulex>debed, did you run apt-get update after modifying sources.list?
11:02<debed>Eulex, shud i do it again
11:02<Eulex>so you did?
11:02<debed>Eulex, no after removing the testing source i dint run apt-get update
11:03<Eulex>do that.
11:03<Eulex>how does your deb-src line (for testing or unstable) look?
11:03<debed>Eulex, yeah did even that....again same probs
11:04<debed>Eulex, shiud i keep ';' these symbols in the 3rg step
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11:04<Eulex>the middle one is necessary, the last one is not.
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11:05<Eulex>debed, in any case, could you pastebin your full sources.list?
11:06<debed>Eulex, yeah wait
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11:08<Eulex>debed, I do not see any deb-src line.
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11:08<Eulex>(apart from a commented one for etch/updates)
11:08<debed>Eulex, deb stable main contrib non-free
11:09<Eulex>debed, that's not a deb-src line.
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11:09<Eulex>debed, 'deb-src testing main contrib non-free'
11:09<debed>Eulex, okie wait
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11:10<Eulex>debed, in any case, I'd highly recommend uncommenting the "deb etch/updates main contrib", or else you do not get security updates.
11:11<lucas_amorim>hello, I have installed texlive-science via apt-get intending to use the sciposter class. I found an example at /usr/share/doc/texlive-science/latex/sciposter/
11:12<lucas_amorim>named sciposter-exmaple.tex.gz
11:12<mikkel>heya anyone know a program thats able to monitor different directories for new files and run tasks such as unrar new rar files to a nfs share.. i know cron ofc.. but im not a super bash scripter so i was wondering if someone already wrote a program to do such a thing
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11:13<Pryon>mikkel: dnotify?
11:14<mikkel>basically i have a dir where i save all kinds of things.. it would be nice to perform some kind of sorting and unzip/rar/tar all the stuff into sorted dirs on my server
11:14<mikkel>dnotify you say?
11:14<debed>check this
11:14<lucas_amorim>and when I try to compile like this: # pdflatex sciposter-example.tex I get the following error: ! LaTeX Error: File `lettrine.sty' not found.
11:14<Pryon>mikkel: I just did 'apt-cache search file monitor'
11:15<lucas_amorim>Well I think i fragmented the question, but is just this: I have installed texlive-science via apt-get intending to use the sciposter class. I found an example at /usr/share/doc/texlive-science/latex/sciposter/
11:15<lucas_amorim> named sciposter-exmaple.tex.gzand when I try to compile like this: # pdflatex sciposter-example.tex I get the following error: ! LaTeX Error: File `lettrine.sty' not found.
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11:15<mikkel>hm couldnt find anything myself that way.. thanks Pryon
11:15<debed>Eulex, i think im fyn...except of that gpg that a big error ...
11:16<flixh>lucas_amorim: install texlive-latex-extra
11:16<Eulex>debed, appears that apt-cacher needs newer stuff than already is in stable then. you could try backporting debhelper, but that's it.
11:16<Eulex>debed, the gpg lines are irrelevant.
11:17<debed> /msg dpkg simple sid backport
11:17<debed> /msg dpkg simple sid backport
11:18<Eulex>... without the leading space
11:18<lucas_amorim><flixh: I will try that
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11:18<cahoot>lucas_amorim: got tetex-extra or texlive-latex-extra installed?
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11:18<cahoot>lucas_amorim: sorry for the duplicate
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11:19<lucas_amorim>Ok :)
11:19<debed>Eulex, shall i dist-upgrade once again
11:19<debed>Eulex, the back port gave the sam eoptions again
11:20<lucas_amorim>well it is 430MB extra?????
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11:20<Eulex>debed, actually, it's your choice what debian release you want to run. but seriously, with your knowledge I'd recommend staying on stable.
11:20<lucas_amorim>sorry texlive-latex-extra is quite smaller
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11:21<debed>Eulex, now u know i couldnt find apt-cacher at all....its saying it has been reffered by anothername
11:21<debed>Eulex, i think i did a hell out of it...a complete mess
11:22<dazpop>hi all
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11:22<Eulex>debed, what did you change between this time and the last? and what exact commands are you running now?
11:23<debed>Eulex, i just run the 3rdcommand as u see in the pastebin.....and later i did apt-get install apt-cacher
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11:24<debed>Eulex, then it shows
11:24<debed>Package apt-cacher is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another source
11:25<debed>Eulex, now im planning to run apt-get dist-upgrade
11:26<Eulex>debed, dude, what did you do to your sources.list now? you must have removed or commented out all deb lines.
11:26<debed>Eulex, hehe no..just see the paste bin again
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11:27<Eulex>debed, I do not believe you. put 'apt-cache policy apt-cacher' and your _current_ sources.list in a pastebin.
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11:31<Eulex>debed, sorry, you've miserably failed to follow my instructions. you changed your deb line for stable to be a deb-src line (thus resulting in that you have no deb line at all), instead of adding a deb-src line for testing. I'd recommend to reverting that change, so you only have a deb line for stable, and to stop trying to get software from testing. have a nice day.
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11:33<Eulex>debed, if you're tired, I'd recommend getting some sleep.
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11:33<debed>Eulex, no no i will follow the steps again as u suggested
11:33<debed>Eulex, but very thank for taking tehpain i caused u
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11:38<vag>hi, I have just installed debian on a new machine and it does funny things with the keyboard in gnome. For example the "End" "Home" keys and the mouse roller don't work. This also happens with Ctrl+Left Arrow (in order to go to the next left word). Any ideas?
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11:40<debed>Eulex, just check it for the last latest source list and the steps later i followed
11:41<Eulex>debed, you still need _one_ deb line for stable and _one_ deb-src line for testing. what you have there is a deb-src line for stable.
11:42<debed>Eulex, nono see once gain..i changed
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11:43<Eulex>debed, ow right, you've got a deb-src line for testing there. but no deb line for stable.
11:43<debed>Eulex, there is deb-src line for testing
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11:43<debed>Eulex, no by uncommenting the last two lines in my new source list i ran aptgat update
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11:44<debed>Eulex, then i commented the deb line of stable and ran the step i showed in pastebin
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11:45<Eulex>debed, you do _need_ a deb line of stable. and to perform a backport from testing you _need_ a deb-src line for testing _and_ a deb line for stable.
11:45<debed>Eulex, but u aid if there are two sources ..the 3rd step is not working
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11:46<Eulex>debed, I was referring to you having both a deb line for stable and a deb line (not deb-src line, there's a bug difference) for testing. that will eventually b0rk your system, and that's unrelated to backporting something from testing.
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11:47<debed>Eulex, huhh...jsut tell me after apt-get update using a deb line for stable and deb-src file for testing
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11:48<debed>Eulex, to run the 3rd step in my source list ...just gimmethe last two lines
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11:48<debed>Eulex, how they shud be exactly to ruin the 3rd step
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11:49<Eulex>debed, if your sources.list is correct, the command you've been running as 3rd step will just work (tm)
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11:51<debed>Eulex, for the 3rd step ..with only one src its not working....if i leave the two ources uncommented ..its working...shall i do that
11:52<Eulex>yes, if by two sources you mean a deb line for stable and a deb-src line for testing
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11:55<tms2654>Webserver-basierter Zugang: Es wird eine dynamisch generierte Website aufgerufen, in der der Chat dargestellt ist. Die Verbindung zum IRC-Server wird vollständig vom Webserver gesteuert, der laufend die Änderungen im Chat an den Browser weiterleitet. Diese Variante ist technisch nicht sonderlich elegant, unter anderem, weil hierbei der Webserver stärker belastet wird. Der Vorteil dieser Variante ist, dass der Zugang selbst dann funktioniert, we
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11:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:58<StoNeEatERR>hi there
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12:10<crol>c'è qualcuno?
12:10<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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12:11<crol>scusa, è la prima volta che uso un programma irc, se mi spieghi come ci vado
12:12<crol>grazie per il link
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12:13<StoNeEatERR>speak english?
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12:15<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
12:15<panagos>does 4.0r1 stable support sata dvd drives?
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12:20<chealer>panagos: yes
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12:25<SupperMuppet>Hello fellow debian users
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12:25<panagos>does the 4.0r1 amd64 stock kernel support amd-v? to be used with xen 3
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12:27<qbit>hello Supaplex
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12:29<vag>any luck with the thing I asked before? Any directions or hints?
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12:32<WildOS>For some reason my program runs better and with lower cpu load when compiled for profiling (-pg). Any suggestions to what might be causing this?
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12:33<WildOS>!tell gprof
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12:37<chealer>vag: which Debian suite?
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12:40<sheldonh>WildOS: does it complete faster or in the same amount of time? i'd guess that you're seeing lower cpu utilisation, but longer wall clock time
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12:43<vag>chealer: I used the last one (4.0 I think) and I then downloaed with apt + synaptics more packadges. uname -a gives Linux ... 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Oct 23 00:07:55 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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12:44<vag>chealer: is there any way to see the "version"
12:44<chealer>!tell vag about debian version
12:44<chealer>vag: which ones?
12:45<vag>chealer: which packages?
12:45<chealer>vag: yes
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12:48<vag>chealer: "lenny/sid" . As for packages quite many can't recall all. "gnome"/"gnome-core" are a couple
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12:49<chealer>vag: well...what was your goal? did you want to upgrade GNOME?
12:49<vag>chealer: and I have the kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp for kernel
12:49<vag>chealer: I did upgraded but the keyboard is doing funny things.
12:50<vag>chealer: the "end" "home" keys don't work..
12:50<chealer>vag: yes but I want to know which packages you have which aren't from stable. so I want to know what the packages you didn't mention have in common.
12:50<panagos>does anybody know whether the 4.0r1 amd64 stock kernel supports amd-v?
12:52<vag>chealer: well I can't recall all. Is there a way to list them? I tried synaptics but I can't find a way
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12:53<chealer>vag: you can use apt-show-versions. don't you recall why you upgraded them?
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12:53<nostahl>hi all
12:53<chealer>vag: alternatively, from which URL did you download the iso?
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13:01<ttache> salu
13:01<ttache>vous aimez koi ds la vie
13:01<ttache>moi jaime le sex
13:01<chealer>!tell ttache about fr
13:01<ttache>et linformatique
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13:03<WildOS>sheldonh: sorry, what do you mean by wall clock time?
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13:12<DiEgO>Hi! I have a question: I have just installed debian succesfully from a dvd image, but the installer didn't install the graphic environment. I get only a text based interface.
13:12<DiEgO>How can I install the graphic environment?
13:13<chealer>DiEgO: which version?
13:13<kevinl>thats strange. you must have selected something wrong
13:13<kevinl>you can try this
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13:13<kevinl>apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome
13:14<DiEgO>KDE. It's suposed (according to the instalation guide) to be included in the dvd
13:14<kevinl>oh. i dont know kde's package names
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13:14<kevinl>but using, apt-get
13:14<kevinl>you should be able to install the X windows and desktop manager of your choice
13:14<kevinl>if you know the package names.
13:14<kevinl>it will probably look on your dvd first
13:14<chealer>DiEgO: I mean, which version of Debian, 4.0 or something else?
13:14<kevinl>then if the dvd is not there, try and internet mirror
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13:17<DiEgO>debian 4.0 r1
13:17<niyado>hello, plx i need help, i have a wacom and i cant use it in my ubuntu 7.10 what u all think what happen, i can use the pen in the tablet only when i push very hard down the pen, but i cant use the mouse of the wacom, im desesperated and i need tu use it in the gimp
13:18<DiEgO>the problem is that the installer didn't recognice the net board
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13:20<DiEgO>i guess i'll have to get the drivers
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13:26<niyado>ok, so how i can install them
13:27<DiEgO>does anybody know where can i get the drivers for my atheros l1 gigabit ethernet network card?
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13:29<sutula>niyado: Do you have wacom-tools installed?
13:29<chealer>DiEgO: is that supported by Linux?
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13:30<chealer>DiEgO: it should be possible to install KDE without a net connection, inded.
13:30<DiEgO>chealer: I don't know. How can I get that info?
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13:30<chealer>niyado: /topic
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13:30<DiEgO>chealer: from the dvd i guess, but how. I don't know the pacage name
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13:31<panagos>does debian distribute sun's java implementation?
13:31<DiEgO>I'm completely new to linux
13:32<chealer>DiEgO: do you really mean Atheros or Attansic?
13:32<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
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13:32<chealer>panagos: yes
13:32<panagos>chealer: is it the default java installation? which package is it?
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13:33<DiEgO>I have a asus p5kpl-vm motherboard if that helps
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13:33<chealer>panagos: there's no default java installation. see the install java factoid.
13:33<DiEgO>chealer:I have a asus p5kpl-vm motherboard if that helps
13:33<naq>hi there
13:35<Mr_Suave>Hello fellas, I am trying to mount using "mount server:/opt/samba/general /mnt/general" and I am getting the "nfs mount: server:/opt/samba/geral: Permission denied" What would chuck norris do in this situation, I totally need help!
13:35<naq>when i start a wine application (e.g. winecfg or a other program) it starts without an error, but it needs ca. 5 minutes or something to start up. iam using debian lenny. does anyone know that problem ?
13:36<panagos>the reason sun-java packages are non-free is because of the third-party java parts?
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13:37<sutula>Mr_Suave: Does the end of /var/log/syslog provide any better indication of the problem, on the server?
13:37<chealer>DiEgO: Linux 2.6.22 supports your card. d
13:37<Mr_Suave>sutula: I am going to check it out, tks in advance
13:37<chealer>did you consider using Debian testing instead?
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13:42<Mr_Suave>sutula: I found this : "Oct 31 14:44:02 rio-fw mountd[1964]: refused mount request from for /opt/samba/geral (/): not exported
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13:43<sutula>Mr_Suave: It looks like the server will have to export the directory you want to mount. See "man exports"
13:43<Mr_Suave>Ty, I am going to rtfm lol
13:43<niyado>sorry im back
13:43<niyado>ok, i dont know
13:44<DiEgO>chealer: so I'll have to install a new version of linux?
13:44<niyado>i think that i have them, becouse the wacom works, but no like it supose to be, i use it in my windows but in ubuntu now in this version they dont work good
13:45<chealer>DiEgO: not necessarily. you could also upgrade to testing, or use a Linux 2.6.22 backport.
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13:45<naq>*cry* noone cant help me :/
13:46<chealer>niyado: did you read the topic?
13:46<niyado>what topic
13:46<naq>i think he means the channel topic
13:46<niyado>that this channel is for debian?
13:47<chealer>niyado: yes
13:47<DiEgO>chealer: How can I do that?
13:47<niyado>ok, but i think that u can help me here, ubuntu is based in debian no?
13:47<chealer>niyado: "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu"
13:47<niyado>no one in ubuntu chanell dont want to help me
13:47<sepski>!based on
13:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
13:47<chealer>!tell niyado about based on debian
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13:47<niyado>i know....
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13:47<niyado>i only need help for the wacom
13:48<chealer>DiEgO: using a Linux 2.6.22 backport?
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13:48<sutula>niyado: I'll offer Debian help...but you'll have to figure out how to do it in Ubuntu. Does "dpkg -l wacom-tools" show "ii" in the first column?
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13:48<niyado>there are 8 people only in ubuntu channel, now all the people move to debian chanell as i see
13:48<DiEgO>chealer: I dont't know what a backport is.
13:48<niyado>ok i go now
13:49<niyado>where i find that
13:49<sepski>niyado, ubuntu is on freenode
13:49<chealer>DiEgO: yes, I was just asking to clarify your question.
13:49<chealer>!tell DiEgO about bpo
13:49<sutula>niyado: In a the shell prompt
13:49<sepski>and there are hundreds of people
13:49<Mr_Suave>sutula: Thanks a lot, I just had to add the directory to that list, now the server allows me to mount it.
13:49<chealer>DiEgO: did you already use Debian?
13:49<niyado>ohh ok
13:49<sutula>Mr_Suave: Great
13:49<niyado>what i write in the terminal
13:49<DiEgO>very VERY little
13:50<sutula>niyado: Does "dpkg -l wacom-tools" show "ii" in the first column?
13:50<naq>when i start a wine application (e.g. winecfg or a other program) it starts without an error, but it needs ca. 5 minutes or something to start up. iam using debian lenny. does anyone know that problem ?
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13:50<DiEgO>chealer:very VERY little
13:50<chealer>DiEgO: which Linux image is currently installed?
13:50<niyado>bad command
13:51<niyado>ohh no
13:51<niyado>i tell u now
13:51<DiEgO>chealer: amd64
13:51<niyado>they dont tell me nothin of wacom in the first line and in the other lines
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13:52<niyado>ok now they tell me
13:52<DiEgO>Wouldn't be better to reinstall debian?
13:52<niyado>No packages found matching wacom-tools.
13:52<sutula>niyado: OK, so wacom-tools is not installed. Figure out how to get it installed. The Debian package information is here:
13:52<DiEgO>chealer:Wouldn't be better to reinstall debian?
13:53<sutula>niyado: Without this, you won't get any Wacom-specific functionality, even though it will sort-of function as a mouse
13:53<niyado>now im installing the ¨ii¨
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13:53<chealer>DiEgO: as you want. otherwise, download and install the linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64 package from
13:53<sutula>niyado: If you get it installed, then I think you'll at least have to exit X and restart that much...probably easier to reboot your machine
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13:54<chealer>DiEgO: did you install Debian i386 or amd64?
13:54<niyado>okis i will do now, thx a lot man
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14:00<naq>when i start a wine application (e.g. winecfg or a other program) it starts without an error, but it needs ca. 5 minutes or something to start up. iam using debian lenny. does anyone know that problem ?
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14:01<DiEgO>chealer: amd64
14:02<fxiny>naq: wine changes every weeks , could be a wine version issue ( try another one ) or wait for the next or check some more apps
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14:03<DiEgO>chealer: i opened
14:03<themill>naq: try moving your ~/.wine/ out of the way temporarily to see if that solves the problem. That often does... :(
14:03<chealer>DiEgO: then the Linux image is
14:03<fxiny>naq: for example i use a very old one : Installed: 0.0.20041019-1 >> *2004* ! , try to play with it
14:03<fxiny>naq: not with mine :)
14:03<chealer>DiEgO: ah, I didn't think about that. good idea, but these are Linux headers, you want the Linux image
14:03<DiEgO>chealer: there are 2 options: to download linux headers or linux kbuild (???)
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14:04<chealer>DiEgO: you shouldn't need headers/kbuild for now, just the image.
14:06<DiEgO>chealer: i'm downloading it.
14:06<DiEgO>but once i have it. What's next?
14:07<chealer>DiEgO: you install it with dpkg
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14:08<DiEgO>I can only access linux trughout the console
14:08<fxiny>nice point of view :)
14:08<DiEgO>chealer:I can only use the console and i don't know nothing about it
14:09<chealer>DiEgO: start by installing KDE, it will be easier.
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14:10<sheldonh>WildOS: wall clock time... the passage of time as perceived by a human informed by a clock on the wall (as opposed to time spent in a particular state from the perspective of the operating system)
14:11<DiEgO>chealer: how can i install kde from the console?
14:12<sepski>!install kde
14:12<dpkg>i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
14:14<chealer>DiEgO: # tasksel install kde-desktop
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14:15<DiEgO>sepski: then i write "install kde" anywhere in the promt? or i must do it from some "folder" (i don't know the equivalent term for linux)
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14:16<sepski>DiEgO, aptitude install kde as root anywhere
14:17<DiEgO>thank you VERY MUCH!!! I'll try that!
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14:28<oxynet>i got a problem, when my Debian is loading on my notebook, i got a error SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
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14:29<oxynet>eth12: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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14:29<Eulex>eth... 12?
14:29<oxynet>anybody know what could be this??
14:29<Eulex>do you really have such a device?
14:29<oxynet>i saw that when i restart my debian eth is changing number, now is the eth15
14:30<themill>ah.... you have an ever-changing mac address or something... nvidia network card by any chance?
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14:30<Eulex>run ifconfig -a, what devices does it tell you that you have?
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14:30<oxynet>it´s a nvidia network
14:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
14:31<oxynet>sorry there is no eth15, there is eth20
14:31<oxynet>appears when i tape the command ifconfig -a
14:31<oxynet>eth0, eth20 and l0
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14:32<themill>do you actually have 2 cards?
14:32<Scurz>oxynet: try : rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules && invoke-rc.d udev
14:32<themill>Scurz: you actually need to change the z25 rule to match the pciid for some nvidia cards as they come up with a different mac address every time
14:33<oxynet>no, i have only one ethernet card and one wireless card
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14:33<themill>oxynet: ok -- and eth0 is your wired ethernet and is working, while eth1234578 is your wireless?
14:34<oxynet>i don´t know what is wired or wireless card, how can i see this?
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14:34<themill>oxynet: try running iwconfig
14:34<Scurz>themill: ok, because I've no nvidia card, when I had this problem, it was with an another card.
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14:35<oxynet>iwconfig appears lo, eth20, eth0 with no wireless connections
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14:35<themill>Scurz: yeah, what you're describing is normally the solution, but here, every time networking is started or the module is loaded, a new entry appears in z25
14:36<Scurz>oh okay, so, my solution is not well for this card.
14:36<oxynet>themill when i taped the command that you told me, appears, invoke-rc.d: syntax error: missing required parameter
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14:38<er>does anyone know if there's a channel on Freenode or elsewhere to talk about network monitoring - eg. Netflow
14:38<er>on Linux?
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14:39<Scurz>I don't know, sorry. But ask your question here. ;)
14:40<Eulex>er, #networking on freenode, perhaps?
14:40<themill>oxynet: do you have working ethernet on that machine? (wired)
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14:40<Scurz>Yes, #networking exists on
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14:44<Requiem>Is there a way when doing backports to tell it to just backport and update the dependencies that are too early a version, or do I need to do that by hand?
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14:44<niyado>now i know what happen whit the wacom
14:44<niyado>the input devices are not working
14:44<niyado>when i go to gimp
14:45<niyado>and try to configure the input devices they tell me this
14:45<niyado>¨No extended input devices¨
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14:47<niyado>what can i do!!!!????
14:47<chealer>niyado: go to #ubuntu
14:47<Supaplex>immitate jack. he can run.
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14:48[~]sutula looks for the reference to what needs to change in Xorg.conf
14:48<Supaplex>niyado: my wacom tablet has no pointer :-/ lotta good huh?
14:48<fxiny>yeahh light a lantern while going to ubu HQ
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14:50<niyado>thats the same thin that happen to me, no pointer :(
14:51<sutula>niyado: In /usr/share/doc/wacom-tools, there are a couple of .html files you want to read
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14:51<oxynet>themill, yes, if i run dhcpclient i can use wired network
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14:52<sutula>niyado: In particular, there's a section: "5.0 - Configuring X11" in howto.html
14:52[~]fxiny checks some v-irc.logs : doh ! some familiar nicks !
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14:52<themill>oxynet: you can work out what modules are associated with what cards by grepping through dmesg (dmesg | grep eth). From that we can tell which card is which. It's possible that the eth20 card is some virtual firewire card or something.
14:52<themill>!ethernet driver
14:52<dpkg>To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, or run: for i in $lspci ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done
14:53<sutula>niyado: Basically, you need to get X to recognize the new devices presented by the wacom drivers
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14:53<themill>oxynet: ^^ so once you know what ethernet driver is running which ethX, then we can work out which way around the cards should be configured and then fix up that udev z25 file we were talking about earlier.
14:54<themill>argh.. that factoid is missing lots of brackets....
14:54<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
14:54<dpkg>no, stupid themill
14:54<niyado>i do all for the wacom-tools
14:54<niyado>and no work
14:54<niyado>is a wierd thin
14:54[~]fxiny loves bots breaking Isaac Asimov rules
14:55<oxynet>themill, using dmesg | grep ethernet appears to me, forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.56
14:55<niyado>i have use the wacom in ubuntu 7.04 but here in gutsy 7.10 no WORK!!! :(
14:55<chealer>niyado: #ubuntu
14:55<sutula>niyado: This is not #ubuntu
14:55<themill>oxynet: ok, that's what I suspected. But you only see that one entry? nothing for a second card?
14:55<er>Eules, scruz: thanks, i'll try there
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14:56<themill>!ethernet driver
14:56<dpkg>To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ `; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done
14:56[~]fxiny sends a banana to niyado
14:56<themill>dpkg: smarter bot
14:56<dpkg>Yep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world....
14:56<themill>that's better
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14:56<fxiny>yes |
14:56<niyado>i do all for wacom-tools
14:57<sutula>niyado: Well, it's working for me in Debian unstable
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14:57<niyado>the drivers are from debian, so thats why im here, no one in the channel of ubuntu want to help me, so i hope that some one whit the capacity here can help me
14:57<sutula>niyado: I can not help you with Ubuntu...I don't use it
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14:58<oxynet>themill if i put dmesg | grep Wireless appears another card
14:58<niyado>ok you cant, but some one can :)
14:58<oxynet>but using ethernet only one appears
14:58<niyado>ok one question
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14:59<niyado>i can do an UPGRADE to from ubuntu 7.10 to ubuntu 7.10?? is the same thin but i think that is an error from the instalation, and i dont want to install completely the system...
14:59<themill>oxynet: OK.... I've got to run off now... but if you remove the z25 file from dpkg's earlier factoid, "invoke-rc.d udev restart" (or reboot) and it will be regenerated, then change the match from ATTRS{address} to ADDRS{pciid} (I think it's pciid... check that with google)
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15:00<themill>niyado: this is #debian, this channel is for debian questions. You are asking an ubuntu question. Please as that in #ubuntu.
15:00<oxynet>themill ok, thanks a lot
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15:01<themill>oxynet: good luck :) You could also match the MAC address, but put some wildcards in it... I think that's what we ended up doing last time we saw this. The MAC address always starts with the same 3 bytes 00:06:0c or something I think it was. You can use * to match the rest.
15:02<oxynet>themill hehehe eth0 is wired and eth20 is firewire
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15:02<themill>oxynet: ahh.. then you could just ignore it.. or pin it down in the z25 file so it doesn't keep changing.
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15:04<Supaplex>that file gets real fun on nfsroot clients. :) you think eth20 is crazy, I saw it whine about eth50. normally i'd remove it, but i kinda keep it there for tracking stations.
15:04<oxynet>hmm, how can i remove?
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15:08<oxynet>i reboot the notebook, and appers to me the error no such device about eth0 now and 12 to
15:08<oxynet>if i run ifup eth0 i got the error again
15:08<oxynet>i will reinstall this machine
15:08<oxynet>i think is easier
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15:31<gpm>php is so yucky
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15:34<doofy>anyone got experience of flash (youtube etc) in opera under deb?
15:34<doofy>i cant get it to work properly
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15:36<fxiny>double check your settings : it works
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15:38<fxiny>doofy: check : preferences > contents > plugins
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15:39<doofy>fxiny: dosnt seem to work. YouTube tells me it's disabled or not installed :S
15:40<fxiny>what plugins do you have ?
15:40<doofy>ns4proxyplugin and shockwave flash 4.0
15:40<doofy>according to the content in opera
15:40<fxiny>flash 4 ?
15:41<doofy>leads to /usr/lib/opera/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
15:41<doofy>ye, 4.0
15:41<fxiny>doofy: what debian version are you running ?
15:41<doofy>latest etch
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15:43<doofy>is there anyway to upgrade it?
15:43<Ikarus>Hmmm, anyone here applied FAI, and build a FAI CD/host for FAI ? :P
15:43[~]Ikarus wants to avoid having to install anything from backups but data
15:43<fxiny>doofy: you can install flashplugin-nonfree , add non-free to your sources list .and run apt-get update
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15:45<fxiny>doofy: then make sure opera find it > plugin-option
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15:45<doofy>fxiny: thank you
15:46<fxiny>doofy: np
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15:52<sl0w>hello, could someone please tell me what is the minimum required size for /boot and /var partitions?also what is the recommended filesystem for /boot?
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15:53<qbit>sl0w, ext3 for /boot .. and i would do at least 512 megs
15:53<qbit>var is kinda up to you
15:53<cahoot>why have a journal on /boot?
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15:54<qbit>cahoot, no reason .. you could do ext2 as well.. ( grub probably sees the ext3 as ext2 anyway )
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15:54<cahoot>well the journal will gobble up a sizeable space
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15:56<qbit>then do ext2
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15:57<qbit>or .. ext3 .. and then disable journaling :O
15:57<zak>hi, i've just installed debian and i would like to try kde too how can i install it to choose later whitch one i keep?
15:57<sl0w>the /boot directory doesn't increase or decrease right? i looked at another computer and i saw that it takes 20MB.
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15:57<koollman>qbit: 512MB for /boot ?
15:57<koollman>what do you put in there ?
15:57<koollman>oh, right :)
15:57<fxiny>150 shoud do
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15:57<qbit>sl0w, if you install lots of kernels it will get bigger
15:58<koollman>30 should do, too
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15:58<sl0w>no just one kernel
15:58<qbit>yeah.. smaller would do ya
15:58<koollman>I have 6 kernels and their config in my /boot, and it's 18MB
15:58<qbit>unless you wana put your pr0n on it
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15:58<sl0w>and the minimum for /var ?
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15:58<qbit>koollman, with rds ?
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15:59<koollman>well, I like to have a large /var , since it contains log and spools and in my case, sql databases
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15:59<fxiny>pr0n in boot ? sacrilege ! my pr0n are in /var !
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15:59<koollman>fxiny: pron as a bootsplash may be interesting ;)
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16:00<qbit>high5 koollman
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16:00<fxiny>koollman: i bet is the only way to get splash working ;)
16:00<koollman>there is only one problem with that ... 'oh, it booted too fast' ;)
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16:01<qbit>that's why the pr0n gods made sleep :)
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16:02<sl0w>ok thank you all
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16:28<alexou>on debian with comiz can we change the theme use by gtk-window-decorator ?
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16:52<apeitheo>Anyone know of any good soundcards that'll work with linux (and thus debian?)?
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16:53<apeitheo>I've had a Creative SB Live 5.1 for a couple of years now, and have a couple of problems with it, anything that has FULL support for linux?
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16:56<iamtravis>hey, i added the model=5stack and installed the 2.6.22 kernel so i could use the alsa module for the 680i nforce motherboard onboard sound, but it still won't work, any ideas?
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17:02<hamael>I need the name of this ntfs driver
17:02<hamael>I forgot it
17:02<hamael>or something
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17:03<hamael>remembered it
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17:11<Jyzygzel->hey the latest debian installer is broken
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17:14<sasha>i m a little bit confused about the debian politic , some packages , like wine are 3-4 month old in testing , and on the oposite aicrack 1.1 witch is still in beta version as already been moved to testing ? how to explain that
17:14<Jyzygzel->i tryed installing two times and at both times it gets stuck at "Disabling netinst CD in sources.list"
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17:14<Jyzygzel->30% of Finishing the installation
17:14<Jyzygzel->waited for 30mins and nothing happen
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17:15<tim>hi iam a total noob can anyone help with bcmxx wireless
17:15<sasha>tim : would suggest using ndispwrapper with broadcom devices
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17:16<tim>i have it every thing checks out but i cannot connect to intrenet
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17:19<sasha>what the problem ?
17:19<iamtravis>hey, i added the model=5stack and installed the 2.6.22 kernel so i could use the alsa module for the 680i nforce motherboard onboard sound, but it still won't work, any ideas? (#alsa and #lad on freenode don't say anything)
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17:19<sasha>tim : what is the problem
17:20<tim>i cant connect with wireless
17:20<sasha>so , you compiled the ndiswrapper module and load it with modprobe and install the ndiswrapper utilities with apt-get ?
17:21<Jyzygzel->im about to give up :(
17:21<sasha>did you installed the windows driver with ndiswrapper -i xxxx.sys
17:21<tim>i have ndis wrapper
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17:23<tim>i can connect to net work but i dont recieve any packets
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17:23<sasha>can you ping your AP ?
17:23<Jyzygzel->is there any way to skip in installation?
17:24<tim>dont know how
17:24<Jyzygzel->skip a part
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17:24<lexiyntax>Is there a parameter I can pass to the kernel to disable the LVM device mapper?
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17:25<sasha>tim , you have to setup you ip , and dns names and gatway , it is not so difficult , make some search on google
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17:26<Jyzygzel->i need information
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17:26<sasha>JYZ... : what is your problem ?
17:26<Jyzygzel->sasha every time i try install the latest Debian Testing my installer freezes to the same point
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17:27<Jyzygzel->-Finishing the installation- Disabling netinst CD in sources.list...
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17:29<Jyzygzel->i coudln't not find any documentation what to do now
17:29<sasha>JYZ : why don t you use the first debian cd to install a little stable cd and then upgrade it to testing after modifying your source.list and prefernce
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17:29<Jyzygzel->cause noone told me about that
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17:29<Jyzygzel->do i have to get the network install cd?
17:30<sasha>biz card and net install installation are complicated for nothing , download the first debian cd 4.0r1 and launch an installation without accessing the net , then change your apt/source.list and apt/preference to pass your debian into testing
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17:31<sasha>i personnaly prefer that method
17:31<Jyzygzel->so is the testing debian gonna be good for desktop?
17:32<Jyzygzel->for a laptop
17:32<lexiyntax>Nevermind, all I needed to do was disable rcS.d/S26lvm.
17:32<sasha>yes it is upon me the better linux distrib that you can have for multiple reson
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17:33<sasha>i have testing on my laptops and stable on servers
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17:33<Jyzygzel->oh so its gonna rock ;)
17:34<Jyzygzel->i've been using debian 5 years in my server
17:34<DanDare>i´ve been using debian 1 year in my server
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17:34<sasha>i like debian cause once install you don t have to make full reinstall when version change like mandriva or ever ubuntu
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17:35<Jyzygzel->instead you can do apt-get dist-upgrade and then make the reinstall cause apt broke? ;)
17:35<sasha>it never broked with me
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17:36<sasha>yousimply have to configure well your source.list and preference
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17:39<Jyzygzel->sasha so i basicly apt-get update the testing repository and then do the dist-upgrade?
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17:39<sasha>but you have to configure well your source.list ans preference and yes
17:40<hamael>I need help mounting an ntfs drive..
17:40<sasha>hamael : only once or automatically
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17:42<sasha>JYZ .. : here is my source.list you can use it as a model
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17:43<hamael>got help from a friend of mine ^
17:43<funnymanfunnyman>i have q question
17:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:44<funnymanfunnyman>i have a flash animation
17:44<funnymanfunnyman>a must be started on x in full screen
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17:44<funnymanfunnyman>so how most easy to say on x window
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17:45<funnymanfunnyman>on which tty to be started this animation
17:47<funnymanfunnyman>i mean how to say to x86 to start it on tty2
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17:48<sasha>funnyman : i m not pretty sure but i think it is impossible cause the grapic environnement only run under tty7(to be confirmed)
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17:48<dkr>you would have to run X on the specific console, and then run flashplayer
17:49<funnymanfunnyman>specific ?
17:49<dkr>more than likely you are asking for somethign you don't want, though. you seem to be mixing up some terminology
17:50<dkr>tty2 is a specific console
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17:50<hamael>need help
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17:51<hamael>my friend is a bit busy..
17:51<hamael>i need to change my rights
17:51<dkr>thank for letting us know that important information. we won't bother your friend right now. :)
17:51<hamael>i can't open up the newly mounted ntfs drive
17:51<hamael>cuz its read/write root
17:52<hamael>every time i ask
17:52<hamael>he comes to the rescue
17:53<lupine_85>hamael: the options section in /etc/fstab should be "defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 "
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17:53<dkr>nfs trusts permissions similar to other directories on the same machine. if they aren't readable by your user yuo change the to be so the same way you would another dir on the same system
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17:54<lupine_85>(+ anything else required)
17:54<dkr>or you could mount it to give you permission to everything on the server like lupine_85 says, :)
17:54<lupine_85>dkr: he said ntfs, not nfs...
17:55<sasha>regarding ntfs are there some tricks to reduce the cpu usage cause 3g ntfs -> ext3 transfer almost freeze my laptop
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17:56<lupine_85>sasha: the solution is to turn the ntfs partition into a non-ntfs partition
17:56<hamael>im gonna transfer everything over to a ext3 drive
17:56<dkr>use the old read-only ntfs type?
17:56<sasha>lupine : do you have a kernel patch for vista to run on ext3 :)
17:56<hamael>I just want to copy all the files
17:56<lupine_85>sasha: yes
17:57<lupine_85>well, I dunno about vista, actually
17:57<dkr>virtual amchine? ;)
17:57<lupine_85>but vista is crap so it's not important
17:57<lupine_85>nah, there's an ext2/3 filesystem driver for XP
17:57<lupine_85>it might work in vista, you never know
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17:57<dkr>can you use fat32 in vista?
17:57<sasha>lupine : unfortunately im developing half of the day under it for my job ;(
17:58<dkr>so use fat32 for windows partition, better compatibility
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17:58<hamael>its faster to
17:58<hamael>this machine doesnt have windows
17:58<sasha> nah, there's an ext2/3 filesystem driver for XP -> for secondary partition not for the primary i think
17:58<hamael>i just want the bunch of files
17:59<lupine_85>works fine in vista
17:59<funnymanfunnyman>ok specific i want x aplication to be started on tty2
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17:59<funnymanfunnyman>how can i do this
17:59<lupine_85>funnymanfunnyman: as in, on tty 2 you want to run an application that then opens on an X VT?
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18:00<lupine_85>that's DISPLAY=(parameter) <application
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18:00<lupine_85>erm, ratherDISPLAY=(parameter) <application>
18:00<lupine_85>where (parameter) is usually :0
18:01<hamael>i need to be fast
18:01<funnymanfunnyman>this must be in XF86Conf file
18:02<lupine_85>hamael: you should train, to increase your speed
18:02<hamael>since i will be disconnected soon
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18:02<lupine_85>funnymanfunnyman: you want to run an X server on vt2?
18:02<lupine_85>that's X vt2 <other options here>
18:02<lupine_85>or edit the config of xdm/kdm/gdm to load it like that
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18:03<funnymanfunnyman>ok i ll see options in man
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18:04<lupine_85>hamael: I'm not really sure what else you're after. it goes as fast as it goes
18:05<lupine_85>you could (try to) profile and optimise the driver yourself, i guesss..
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18:06<lupine_85>protip: that would be Hard
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18:06<lupine_85>it's usually the thing that's done last when developing a driver
18:07<hamael>cp -a /mnt/my_windows_disk/* /home/hamael/Desktop/
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18:07<hamael>that works
18:10<funnymanfunnyman>i have one more question :)
18:10<funnymanfunnyman>i have another machine
18:10<funnymanfunnyman>must be mail server
18:11<funnymanfunnyman>it s stable 4.0 debian
18:11<funnymanfunnyman>with zimbra
18:11<funnymanfunnyman>so all is perfect
18:11<funnymanfunnyman>but zimbra didn't starts when mashine starts
18:12<funnymanfunnyman>and i must manual to log like zimbra user
18:12<lupine_85>link it in /etc/rc2.d
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18:12<funnymanfunnyman>:) this was the first think what i think about
18:12<lennox>i've got a question again like normal :P
18:12<lennox>how do I set debian up to remember my soundcard settings
18:13<funnymanfunnyman>but is this a normal way
18:13<lennox>for when i reboot? I'm having to reset them every reboot
18:13<funnymanfunnyman>to start this server
18:13<lupine_85>funnymanfunnyman: yep. It's the typical way you start up a server in Debian
18:14<lupine_85>lennox: as in, volume? or something else?
18:14<lennox>the card itself
18:14<lennox>the sound doesnt work after a reboot
18:14<lennox>and I have to alsaconf again
18:14<lennox>to get it working
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18:15<hamael>good night
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18:17<lennox>also having trouble getting my other harddrive to mount correctly on boot, i know I have the settings wrong in fstabs, but I'm not familiar enough with it to figure out what exactly I'm doing wrong.
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18:19<lennox> --- theres my /etc/fstab if anyone could take a look and let me know what to change on /dev/hdb1
18:19<lennox>I want to be able to write to the drive as well as read it
18:19<lupine_85>lennox: vfat/fat32 partition?
18:20<lupine_85>remove user,root and add "uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002"
18:20<lennox>with the quotes or no quotes?
18:21<lupine_85>you can use your own uid and gid (single-user system) or use the uid/gid of root:disks (multi-user)
18:21<lupine_85>without quotes
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18:21<lupine_85>echo $UID and echo $GID to get your own uid:gid
18:21<lupine_85>(probably 1000/1000)
18:21<lennox>Okay, thank you.
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18:22<lupine_85>hello my tasy friend
18:23<riboflavin>im new to opensource..i just downloaded the 4.0r1 dvd1.iso and i would like to know how can i check the md5 of the downloaded iso?
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18:23<lennox>are you in windows currently?
18:23<lupine_85>riboflavin: when in linux, you "md5sum <filename>" which gives you the md5sum, which you can compare against the reference
18:23<riboflavin>lol lupine_85
18:23<lupine_85>but in windows, hmm
18:24<lennox>that will check it
18:24<lupine_85>I found
18:24<lennox>some info with it too
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18:24<riboflavin>okay..but do i need to extract the .iso first?
18:25<DanDare>riboflavin is good
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18:28<lupine_85>riboflavin: no
18:28<lupine_85>just get the md5sum of the .iso file, and compare that to the md5sum given on the website
18:28<lennox>lupine_85 any idea on that sound problem I'm having?
18:28<lupine_85>lennox: not a clue, sorry
18:28<riboflavin>okay, im on it
18:29<lupine_85>sound in linux is still screwy at times, unfortunately
18:29<riboflavin>DanDare; yeah.. but im the bad one..heh
18:29<lupine_85>do you have a second soundcard by any chance?
18:29<lennox>no problem, its confusing the hell out of me, alsaconf says its saving the settings, but as soon as I reboot, wham gotta do it again
18:29<lupine_85>(say, on-board)
18:29<DanDare>there´s not some bad riboflavin
18:29<DanDare>you damn protein
18:29<lupine_85>it could be loading up the modules in the wrong order, so sending sound to the wrong soundcard
18:30<lennox>I'm having to use the onboard one in debian, I was using my sound blaster audigy ls in slackware, but for some reason its not working in debian
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18:30<lennox>I can disable the onboard one in BIOS correct?
18:30<lennox>I'm wondering if that will fix it, possibly their conflicting IRQ's and overriding the sound blaster
18:31<lupine_85>you can, but you can also specify the order (and hence, default) of the sounds cards in linux
18:31<lupine_85>nah, you don't get IRQ conflicts and the like in today's world
18:31<lupine_85>though I guess it can't hurt to check
18:31<DanDare>IRQ steering are evil
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18:31<lennox>well, I do sorta have a crappy pc that I built
18:32<lennox>so who knows what I all did wrong with it
18:32<lupine_85>as long as "PnP OS" is enabled in the BIOS (and even if it isn't), you shouldn't really get resource conflicts
18:33<DanDare>what about trying shut off ACPI ?
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18:35<Supaplex>upgrade bios > acpi=no
18:35<riboflavin>okay,seems like the md5sums is correct..
18:35<riboflavin>thank u guys,really appreciate ur help
18:36<DanDare>proteins can talk these days
18:36<DanDare>its cool :D
18:36<lupine_85>I can see it now...
18:36<riboflavin>since im using really slow wifi connection,downloading a 4.xxGB files really i dont want it to go wrong.
18:36<iamtravis>this onboard sound problem is driver me nuts, anybody with knowledge about the nforce i680 boards that can tell me how to get the onbaord sound working?
18:36<lupine_85>"I can has lysine-rich binding site?"
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18:37<iamtravis>or is there a debian module like the nvidia one for installing the xfi soundcard driver?
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18:37<doofy>what should I add too have "non-free" to my sources?
18:37<riboflavin>heh DanDare
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18:37<doofy>i found something via google, but it gives me 404s
18:37<lupine_85>doofy: you add "non-free" at the end of your lines in sources.list
18:37<lupine_85>e.g. where it currently ends "main", you make it end "main contrib non-free"
18:38<doofy>on the ones I already have?
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18:38<lupine_85>on the debian ones, yep
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18:39<lennox>iamtravis; lspci -vvv; lspci -n; lsmod
18:39<lennox>and pastebin your results
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18:40<doofy>lupine_85: should I add non-free after other ones? (not security)
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18:41<Supaplex>!pciid 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 02)
18:41<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 8086:24c5 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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18:43<iamtravis>ah crap.. the job didn't do what i thought it would do
18:44<Supaplex>iamtravis: lspci -nn should be plenty
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18:44<lennox>thats all there was?
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18:44<Supaplex>yea, only lsmod apparently.
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18:49<iamtravis> that's from lspci -vvv
18:49<iamtravis>man.. that took a good 3 minutes to just copy/paste lol
18:49<Supaplex>you cheated ;) type it over by hand!
18:50<iamtravis> there's from the lspci -nn
18:51<Supaplex>ah much better. (looking...)
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18:52<Supaplex>iamtravis: and what devices were you looking for drivers on? the creative labs? or the nvidia high dev audio?
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18:54<iamtravis>the creative labs requires some sort of tricky linking to compile the driver modules.. a bunch of /lib32 functions which i couldn't figure out how to compile without taking away the /64bit libs, i'm trying to get the onboard audio working
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18:54<Supaplex>!pciid 00:0f.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio [10de:0371] (rev a2)
18:54<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 10de:0371 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
18:54<Supaplex>this one?
18:55<Supaplex>according to lsmod, I think you had snd_hda_intel loaded
18:55<bluestar>care to help on ubuntu 7.10
18:56<iamtravis>yeah .. i just tried to use what alsaconf set up for me
18:56<lennox>bluestar: #ubuntu
18:56<lennox>this is #debian
18:56<iamtravis>a person in #nvidia said it's called snd-intel-i810
18:56<iamtravis>but i sure don't know how to set it up.. heh
18:56<Supaplex>!tell bluestar -about ubuntu
18:57<bluestar>-about ununtu
18:57<bluestar>#about ununtu
18:57<Supaplex>bluestar: uh no. type this: /join #ubuntu
18:57<lupine_85>better to checkz0r #ubuntu on freenode
18:57<bluestar>thanks :-)
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18:58<Supaplex>yeah, try /server first :)
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18:59<bluestar>many thanks guys
18:59<Supaplex>no problem. that'll be $35
18:59<iamtravis>alias pci:v000010DEd00000371sv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_hda_intel from that command
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19:00<Supaplex>so lsmod | grep
19:00<Supaplex>iirc, you had that loaded.
19:00<Supaplex>maybe you have the creative loaded in front of it?
19:00<Supaplex>what happens when you try to play sound?
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19:01<Supaplex>errors out? silence?
19:01<Supaplex>!pciid 02:05.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB X-Fi [1102:0005]
19:01<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 1102:0005 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
19:01<iamtravis> from that command
19:01<Supaplex>no devices here. maybe you have different results.
19:02<iamtravis>it says it's playing a file but no sound goes with the volume cranked as root or user
19:02<Supaplex>that's good
19:02<Supaplex>anything from the egrep command dpkg just said?
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19:02<riboflavin>hello guys,one more question..
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19:03<riboflavin>is it necessary for me to download the update dvd.iso?
19:03<DanDare>apt-get upgrade will do the job entirely?
19:03<iamtravis>nothing came up
19:03<DanDare>as alternative of any update media
19:05<Supaplex>iamtravis: have you considered removing the creative card? atleast temporarily to troubleshoot the onboard sound?
19:05<riboflavin>so instead of having to download the update for programs that might or might not be using, i just use apt-get upgrade to update program that im actually using
19:05<DanDare>riboflavin, suposing that you have the correct entries on your /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:06<iamtravis>no.. if it requires that i'll probably just keep on trying to get the xfi working, i don't really want to try the kernel patch posted on the net about that one.. since it's not debian certified or anything
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19:07<Supaplex>iamtravis: send me the card as a gift and i'll certify it myself ;)
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19:07<DanDare>how many time an debian distro will be the oficial one until it changes to the next stable?
19:07<DanDare>1, 2 years?
19:07<Supaplex>!when will lenny release
19:07<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>.
19:09<DanDare>omg dpkg is driving me crazy
19:09<Supaplex>iamtravis: as long as you have a stock debian kernel as a backup, and use either debian or upstream sources for the kernel, you'll have a good chance of keeping it all working well.
19:09<Supaplex>!confuse DanDare
19:09<dpkg>Yes, them are our hamster yesterday, DanDare? wellies of the monarchy of mongolia with extra herring
19:09<Supaplex>DanDare: dpkg makes perfect sense. what's a matter? :)
19:09<iamtravis>well for that particular set of problems, the card required 32 bit libraries to compile 'a 64 bit only driver though.. go figure' and i had to modify the install script to get through the initial phase since the amd64 kernels don't recognize the core2extreme in uname -i, after that i had to extract the install-sh script from the driver archive and figure out how i needed to get it set up.. set an environment variable and linked gcc to gcc 3.3, and all th
19:09<iamtravis>at.. it ends up screwing up at detecting some asm files.. can't remember the exact ones
19:10<DanDare>im aqsking bout lenny pool
19:10<Supaplex>!lenny pool
19:10<dpkg>methinks lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
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19:10<DanDare>im trying to get dpkg in PM but im failing :/
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19:11<iamtravis>and i'm hesitant to temporarily relocate the 64 bit library files and place the 32 bit ones in their place.. since who knows what kind of damage that could do
19:11<DanDare>!listkeys lenny pool
19:11<dpkg>Factoid search of 'lenny pool' by key (2): lenny pool 1 ;; lenny pool.
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19:11<Supaplex>!lenny pool 1
19:11<dpkg>somebody said lenny pool 1 was abrotman, chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10
19:11<DanDare>im not failing
19:11<Supaplex>!lenny pool
19:11<dpkg>methinks lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
19:11<abrotman>chealer is a copycat!
19:11<DanDare>sounds good to me
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19:12<DanDare>so its about 1,5 year the mean between debian distros releases
19:12<DanDare>believe me, to make distro upgrades is a pain to guys like me
19:12<Supaplex>!lenny pool 1 is also supaplex=my birthday
19:12<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
19:13<datura>I think it might be cool if distros worked more together, or am i wrong?
19:13<DanDare>so when they releases lenny i will remeber that
19:13<DanDare>datura, maybe its kinda hard, different kernels and such
19:14<Supaplex>datura: behold the patch. they kinda do, but it's more geared towards <upstream>.
19:14<datura>okdifferent kernels for different tasks, ok
19:14<DanDare>anyway its good job.. just compare upgrades among other OS´s
19:15<DanDare>different kernels for another tasks or evolutions maybe
19:15<DanDare>*evolution, like security holes etc
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19:15<DanDare>better support for more recent hardware bla bla bla bla
19:16<datura>I like the idea of changing some basic ideas on data sending. I saw a neat google tech talk the other day
19:17<DanDare>data sending?
19:17<datura>this guy was talking about packets that have a more complete "go to" address, like a packet coould be sent and ..
19:17<DanDare>like not using DCC?
19:18<datura>its header would have data that passed it more,,, intelegently. Like a gps coordanate...
19:18<datura>tells where anything is and anything in the futre that is now here
19:18<Supaplex>spare us the vague details and hand over the blog url
19:19<datura>good talk,,, i reight but he goes on and on and on
19:19<datura>good stuff, ,, search "'new look on networking" i think
19:19<datura>"google techtalk"
19:19<DanDare>ok nice
19:20<datura>my bladder is going to explode,,, cya
19:20<datura>be well
19:20<DanDare>see ya
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19:24<Supaplex>!tickle datura
19:24[~]dpkg tickles datura until datura falls into a coma.
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19:24<datura>Aha ha HA HA!!!!! Supaplex (datura really starts to freak out) HAAAA!!!!!
19:25<datura>Dudes, its been a long day and im about to chilll... comon!!
19:25<Supaplex>alter :)
19:25<Supaplex>er later :)
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19:31<datura>ahey supaplex... if you watch that later today i'll be monitoring icq 'round 9ish otherwise,,,, if you watch it at a later time just drop a line on here,,, i think it was interesting and would mind you opinon. -out
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19:36<Supaplex>you lost me
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19:37<_fang>hello all, does anyone knows about a gnu-smalltalk package for lenny?
19:37<datura>A New Way to look at Networking
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19:40<Supaplex>_fang: what ways did you search so far?
19:41<_fang>Supaplex: googled and got info about the package on sid, just as i found on debian packages.
19:41<_fang>it seems that it was never released on the testing branch, ever. but maybe you guys have more tips
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19:42<_fang>i'm not intending to install it via make install unless i have no choice =]
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19:42<Supaplex>well in that case, try this
19:43<Supaplex>!simple sid backport
19:43<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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19:46<_fang>my bad, further searches led me to the package. but not for amd64
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19:47<_fang>in the end i'll have to do it by myself
19:47<_fang>thank you very much for the help, and sorry for bothering
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19:51<Jabka>how can i add a manual file to a compiled package (i edited manfile.1 but after dbuild lintian complains no man file)
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19:57<ccg>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
19:57<ccg>how to fix this ?
19:57<ccg>the error occurs at apt-get install -f
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20:05<Xenguy>ccg: try updating libc6
20:05<Xenguy>first, I mean
20:06<ccg>thats what i did
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20:11<sazha>hi since i updated my ati driver , i can not launch any GUI applications from a terminal except if i launch th terminal itsekg with gksu , could someone explain me why ?
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20:13<sazha>i have always a message like this unable to open display ":0.0"
20:13<chealer>sazha: which one, for example&
20:14<sazha>any , gedit , xchat , .... compiz , ....
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20:15<sazha>i have always that message followed by Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
20:15<sazha>Xlib: No protocol specified
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20:23<dondelelcaro>sazha: that means that the server was started by a user which isn't you or a user for which you cannot access the .Xauthority for
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20:24<rodolfo>hello can someone help me with FTP. Can I use just a only line command to connect a one FTP? like ftp hostname user and passw?
20:26<dondelelcaro>rodolfo: just use lftp
20:26<Supaplex>rodolfo: wget ftp://user:pass@where/what.txt
20:28<sazha>dondelelcaro : how can i change that ? with the xhost command ?
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20:33<reflect>where can I get screenlets?
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20:35<patricio>hi there guys......each I boot into my sys, for wireless to detect my router, I must ifdown and do a ' iwconfig wlan0 essid 'name'.....and then ifup to this needed each time I connect?
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20:36<Supaplex>patricio: do you have your essid in interfaces(5)?
20:37<patricio>Supaplex: When I do gives me an error that it cannot read the interfaces file........and another thing, at home I use one essid, at work, we use another along with a WEP key........
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20:37<Supaplex>maybe pre-up iwconfig ...
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20:39<jCoonan>lol "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" LOL
20:40<patricio>isnt that what I have been doing? is that needed for connectivity at each different place?
20:40<gsimmons_>patricio: You're using the format "wireless-essid foo" in /etc/network/interfaces, right?
20:40<patricio>gsimmons: yes I am
20:41<gsimmons_>patricio: Hmmm. Able to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
20:43<patricio>yes I moment please
20:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
20:45<patricio>gsimmons: the interfaces file does not have wireless-essid foo in it......this is as it is......
20:45<patricio>gsimmons: if I include that line in the interfaces gives me an error that it is unable to read the file
20:46<patricio>and in order to test.......I loose my connection.....
20:46<gsimmons_>patricio: What are the current permissions of /etc/network/interfaces?
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20:47<patricio>gsimmons: rw-r--r--
20:48<andrade>fala queridos
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20:48<Supaplex>what's for dinner? huh
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20:49<andrade>tem brasileiro ai ?
20:49<tim>can any one help install xwin wrapper on amd 64
20:50<bartm>tim: what is xwin wrapper ?
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20:51<tim> for eye candy like having a movie as desktop background
20:56<rodolfo>dondelelcaro, hello, I;ve just read your message, I;ve just installed lftp but I can find the way to do this properly
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20:59<dondelelcaro>rodolfo: lftp foohost; then user username; and it'll prompt you for the password
20:59<dondelelcaro>rodolfo: help; if you get lost, or man lftp. If you're really lost, ask here.
20:59<rodolfo>ok ty
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21:01<lennox>i got a slight problem
21:01<lennox>how do i switch between workspaces
21:01<dondelelcaro>lennox: depends on the window manager
21:01<lennox>when i deleted the bottom panel
21:01[~]dondelelcaro doesn't know, but someone here probably does
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21:01<jCoonan>isn't there a keyboard switch
21:01<lennox>wasnt thinking and deleted the bottom panel thinking this desklet would have the option on it, and it doesnt.
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21:02<reflect><-- lennox
21:02<jCoonan>its like cntrl shift an a number I think
21:02<reflect>found my other xchat
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21:09<amphi>other xchat? why run two?
21:10<gsimmons_>patricio: I don't see why there's in issue in reading /etc/network/interfaces when you add the 'wireless-essid' iface option, given that it's readable for all users. You can alternatively use a 'pre-up iwconfig wlan0 essid foo' iface option (as Supaplex suggested), which is what the wireless-tools pre-up script does anyway.
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21:13<diegox>hi everybody
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21:15<diegox>I'm trying to install debian 4.0 r1 amd64 on a core2 duo with intel mother, but the installer doesn't recognize my LG GSA-4167B DVD-ROM. What can I do?
21:18<diegox>The installer initiates, but it stops when detecting hardware. Has it something to do with jumpers configuration?
21:18<patricio>gsimmons: okie dokie
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21:19<jCoonan>check to see if that drive is supported
21:19<jCoonan>I can't see why it wouldn't be
21:19<jCoonan>but check anyway
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21:19<jCoonan>doubtful that it has anything to do with the jumpers
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21:21<abrotman>diegox: do you iknow which ICH it has ?
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21:25<diegox>jcoonan:where can i check it? The hardware compatibility howto in the debian page is too old
21:26<diegox>abrotman: what is ICH?
21:26<abrotman>usually a controller on intel mother boards
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21:27<diegox>abrotman: let me check
21:27[~]patricio frowns......didnt work
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21:29<oxmoz_ssh>could someone advise me a good irc server for an #emacs or #erc channel please?
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21:31<diegox>abrotman: I can't tell
21:32<diegox>but i have an ich ide controller
21:34<gsimmons_>diegox: If it has a P35 chipset, it's ICH9. You'll need to use an Etch installer with a more recent kernel in this case. Try using the AMD64 2.6.23 installer from
21:34<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
21:35<diegox>abrotman:intel ICH9 2 port serial ata storage controller 2 - 2926
21:35<abrotman>you can try putting it into legacy mode or try a kmuto installer
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22:30<_mark>Using Debian Sid. Trying to install fglrx driver for my ATI Radeon Xpress 200 video card. .deb pkgs conflict since upgrade 3 weeks ago. Now I can only use VESA driver. Any help?
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22:34<_mark>Anyone awake on here?
22:34<jagerman>Buy non-ATI next time ;)
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22:34[~]jagerman hates ATI
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22:34<jagerman>All because of their nuissance linux drivers
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22:35<_mark>jagerman, I hear that! Unfortunantly this is an on-board chip.
22:35<jagerman>_mark: What's the conflict with?
22:35<_mark>jagerman, gimmie a second and I'll pull up the exact .deb filename.
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22:36<_mark>It takes a while because VESA driver is painfully slow!
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22:39<DanDare>_AnaLucia hello
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22:41<gerzamro>hello, i need help, about what operative sistem can work for a smartphone movil, thanks
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22:46<_mark>jagerman, essentially I am trying to install fglrx-driver but when I try to apt-get it, it says that I need a version of xserver-xorg that is not available in sid/unstable. to get it I have to downgrade.
22:46<gravity>Oh, is that the reason? That conflicts is there because the xserver in unstable incremented the ABI and fglrx needs to be updated to work with it
22:46<gravity>Your fix is to downgrade your X packages and wait
22:47<gravity>Or remove all traces of fglrx and use avivo or radeonhd
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22:47<jagerman>_mark: What version is it?
22:47<gravity>Since fglrx is a closed source piece of crap, we can't do the updates ourselves like we do with all the other drivers
22:48<_mark>gravity, I don't know what avivo is, and what is radeonhd also?
22:48<_mark>gravity, I see about fglrx. I agree to!
22:48<jagerman>Is radeonhd the sort-of-ATI-supported open source one?
22:48<gravity>_mark: Drivers for radeon cards
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22:49<jagerman>_mark: It looks like it might have been fixed, see
22:50<_mark>I figured I could just use the "ATI" driver, but my display won't work with it. I have a good bit of experience with Xorg configuration. I've been using Linux for 9.5 yrs.
22:50<jagerman>Looks like fixed in 8.42.3-1?
22:50<_mark>jagerman, I'll check it out. Thanks.
22:52<_mark>The problem seems to be that when I upgraded the xserver about 3 weeks ago, it completely screwed up my display. Now, using the VESA driver it takes forever for a page to load!
22:52<_mark>Or for an app to open.
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22:52<gravity>fglrx shouldn't have loaded at all on server upgrade
22:52<gravity>Unless you forced it with ignoreabi, but that's bad
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22:53<diegox>hi, i'm back!
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22:54<_mark>gravity, no, I didn't force it. It's entirely possible that I was using the standard "ATI" driver before. At this point, I'd even go to that! The problem is that I can't get any driver to successfully configure but VESA -using the latest upgrade.
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22:56<GhostlyDeath__>Last Time I tried using Vesa my screen was all distorted
22:56<diegox>abrotman: I couldn't fix the problem with my dvd by seting it to legacy because i couldn't find an option in my bios to do it. Anyway i'm downloading the kmuto image.
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22:57<diegox>abrotman: that image is only 200Mb. Is it a net installation?
22:58<_mark>Thanks for the bug report link.That might help. The thing that bugs me is that if I have to get the proper files from stable or experimental, then everytime I try to update it is going to want to replace the xserver. what a pain! So I'll be stuck.
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22:59<_mark>By the way, when I do try the ATI driver or FGLRX driver it blanks my screen and locks it up. What a joy... Thanks, ATI...!
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23:00<jagerman>I'm sorry, but, hahaha.
23:00<jagerman>That brings back memories.
23:01<_mark>jagerman, Looks like I just need to break down and shell out the $$ for a proper video card.
23:02<gravity>Sadly intel still hasn't released a non-integrated video card
23:03<diegox>abrotman: thank you very much!. I hope this one works...
23:04<_mark>gravity, jagerman, I know next to nothing about video cards. I'd like to get a decent one off Ebay for less than $65. can you reccommend any good linux compatible ones?
23:04<gravity>_mark: If you don't need great 3d performance, an older radeon that is supported by ATI is a good bet
23:05<gravity>_mark: Alternately, you can wait patiently for the free drivers for your card to mature to the point where they're fast. We're still waiting on more ATI specs for that to happen though
23:05<_mark>gravity, well, if I'm going to install a card, I'd kind of like 3d graphics...
23:06<gravity>_mark: Well, they have 3d, just not top of the line modern stuff
23:06<gravity>None of that is really ready now with free drivers
23:06<gravity>There's nvidia, which works great for some people, but they're non-free drivers
23:06<gravity>So that one's your call
23:06<_mark>gravity, yeah, my brother sd to get a ATI 9550 or something like that; a few years old.
23:06<gravity>Yeah, that'd work
23:07<_mark>Hmmm. Those look pretty cheap on Ebay.
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23:08<_mark>gravity, suppossedly, the fglrx driver is suppossed to allow accelleration on my chip/card. That's why I wanted to use it.Any experience with that?
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23:08<gravity>_mark: Not with fglrx, no. I avoid it like the plague
23:10<_mark>Ok. I am going to read over the bug report and see what I can do to get this thing working. Sadly, I fully expect to get knocked off my xserver. Thank you to all for the great info!
23:10<gravity>Good luck
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23:47<Requiem>Okay, I am trying to update my graphics to something that will support my graphics core, I backported what I thought were the relevant packages, except that xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-1.0, the latter is provided by various graphics drivers, and I can't update the graphics driver until I fix the confilct, it won't let me remove xserver-xorg-video-1.0 either
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23:56<travis>hello, how do i remove the cupsd program from my computer/package name? i removed hplip and tried searching apt-cache, but it's not in lp or lpng
23:57<travis>i don't have a working printer so i'd like it off :)
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23:58<InfinityCircuit>Host/Kernel/OS "dm-x40" running Linux i686 [ sidux 2007-03.1 - Γαια - kde-lite - (200708151418) ]
23:58<InfinityCircuit>CPU Info Intel Pentium M 1024 KB cache flags( sse sse2 ) clocked at [ 600.000 MHz ]
23:58<InfinityCircuit>Videocard Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device X.Org 1.4-3 [ 1024x768 ]
23:58<InfinityCircuit>Network cards Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
23:58<InfinityCircuit> Intel 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller, at port: 7000
23:58<InfinityCircuit>Processes 85 | Uptime 5:39 | Memory 211.0/1002.5MB | HDD ATA HITACHI_DK13FA-4 Size 40GB (10%used) | Client Kopete 0.12.7 | Infobash v2.67
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