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---Logopened Thu Nov 01 00:00:05 2007
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00:02<k-man>which user are system cron jobs run as? root?
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00:04<TweakGames>hi all .... I have a dual 1.4 GHZ p3 2 GB sun server sitting here .... and I want to do something with it ... I got it doing apache2 for me haha anything fun you guys can think of other then folding and things like that?
00:04<TweakGames>and its on a good 5 mb cable connection..
00:07<k-man>warez server?
00:07<TweakGames>naaa nothing illegal..
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00:12<Cicloner>hi people!
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00:23<Cicloner>IS ANYBOY IN THE ROOM??
00:23<ArcAiN6>i am
00:23<Cicloner>hi arcain6
00:23<Cicloner>i'm bored
00:23<ArcAiN6>hello :)
00:23<ArcAiN6>i'm frustrated :)
00:24<Cicloner>whit the world?
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00:24<ArcAiN6>i have an app wanting to use /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb/0
00:24<Cicloner>i'm a noob
00:25<ArcAiN6>well i don't have /dev/fb/0 in my system :(
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00:25<Cicloner>what is your linux version?
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00:25<ArcAiN6>debian ETCH
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00:26<oz__>hello again, can anyone help with grub issues ?
00:26<Cicloner>i dont know how to help you
00:26<ArcAiN6>what's the issue with your grub
00:26<ArcAiN6>wait... gotta turn on my techno
00:27<ArcAiN6>ok... what issues you having with grub again?
00:28<ArcAiN6>you mean HeHeHe... linux === case sensitive
00:28<Cicloner>i'm spanish and i dont speak so much english
00:28<Cicloner>poor english ;(
00:29<ArcAiN6>oz__ what problems are you having with your grub?
00:29<Cicloner>what is grub!
00:29<ArcAiN6>grub == boot loader
00:29<ArcAiN6>grub == GRand Unified Bootloader
00:29<oz__>ArcAiN6, I have grub reading menu.lst on /dev/hda8 while I want it to read the one from /dev/hda6
00:30<oz__>do you have any idea how to tell grub to do it ?
00:30<ArcAiN6>can you boot into the system using the CD?
00:30<Cicloner>i haven't any idea
00:30<oz__>I can't ... small laptop no cd...
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00:31<Cicloner>what pc are u using now?
00:31<Cicloner>cpu, ram...
00:31<ArcAiN6>you installed from floppy?
00:31<Cicloner>from live cd
00:32<ArcAiN6>you... just... said no cd.....
00:32<ArcAiN6>-=[ BLINK ]=-
00:32<ArcAiN6>oh... ok..
00:32<ArcAiN6>nvm.. it's late..
00:32<Cicloner>ok go to bed ;(
00:33<ArcAiN6>ok... can you atleaste get to the point where grub loads?
00:33<oz__>ArcAiN6, what do you mean ?
00:34<Cicloner>atleaste=at last?
00:34<ArcAiN6>you turn on the machine, you get POST, then the system tries to boot from HDD, then grub loads a list of crap to boot from
00:34<ArcAiN6>that last bit, the grub list, you get that far?
00:34<oz__>I even manage to load my OS.
00:35<Cicloner>you want to say tha your cd dont load at the boot?
00:35<ArcAiN6>you should be able to enter a minimal grub and configure it from there to bood from teh drive you need, once booted in, you should be able to reconfigure grub to always load from there
00:35<oz__>ArcAiN6, you misunderstood me....
00:36<Cicloner>i undesrtand bad tha you want to say to me
00:36<Cicloner>my enlgish sucks
00:36<ArcAiN6>so.. you want to relocate grub MBR entry from /dev/blah1 to /dev/blb1
00:36<oz__>Is Cicloner real ?
00:37<oz__>ArcAiN6, that's what I want to do
00:37<ArcAiN6>trying to think how to do that
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00:37<Cicloner>i'm real
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00:37<oz__>I couldn't find an easy way to do it with out opening my laptop's belly....
00:38<oz__>Cicloner, for a moment I thought you're a bot ... sorry about that...
00:38<Cicloner>no no
00:38<Cicloner>but i dont speack english much
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00:39<ArcAiN6>let me know if that works for you oz__
00:40<oz__>ArcAiN6, do you know another way ?
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00:44<donny>hi all. running etch, i installed torrentflux to try it out. i uninstalled it, and now i'm noticing that all kinds of shit is going wrong with apache2. for instance:
00:44<donny>donny@disqplay:~$ curl
00:44<donny>curl: (52) Empty reply from server
00:45<donny>pretty much nothing but directory indexes are working, wtf?
00:49<ArcAiN6>you seem to not have apache set up properly, or no index.html file, or your root directory in apache-conf isn't set to the proper directory
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00:50<donny>ArcAiN6: huh?
00:50<donny>ArcAiN6: the directory index for the / resource is fine
00:50<donny>ArcAiN6: the only thing wrong with it is that the images in analog/ aren't being served
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00:51<donny>yeah torrentflux is kinda garbage
00:51<ArcAiN6>just echo's the link to page instead of image..
00:51<donny>i should have figured it would be though
00:51<donny>i talked to the author once, he's a total dipshit
00:51<donny>and i believe the website is gone
00:52<donny>ArcAiN6: no it doesn't
00:52<donny>ArcAiN6: your browser is doing that
00:52<donny>ArcAiN6: if you use curl, or ethereal, you'll see it's just closing the connection
00:52<donny>ArcAiN6: when mozilla browsers get an empty response they just show the URL name
00:52<donny>which is dumb
00:53<ArcAiN6>did it break your mime type settings with apache?
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00:54<ArcAiN6>i have a fesh apache2 install sitting here somewhere if you want me to clone teh conf for you
00:55<k-man>i'm trying to boot off a cd on this old machine I have and it won't boot off the cd
00:55<k-man>its a bit annoying
00:55<ArcAiN6>how old is " old "
00:55<suiside>k-man: use a bootmgr floppy to force a boot from cd even though it's not supported
00:56<ArcAiN6>some machines with older bios version aren't capable of booting from CD
00:56<ArcAiN6>yea... what he said
00:57<k-man>suiside, i just tried burning a floppy on my other machine and either all my floppies are dead or the floppy drive on my machine is dead
00:57<ArcAiN6>floppy disks aren't as good as they used to be, i once got a box of 20 with only 1 functional disk in it lol
00:58<k-man>and the drives are crap too
00:58<k-man>i remember the first time i installed linux was from floppies
00:58<k-man>and I had to go to uni to download the images
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00:58<ArcAiN6>although i have a couple of drives i ripped out of some ancient proliant servers that still work like new
00:58<k-man>and I got half way through and one of the disks was stuffed
00:59<k-man>so i had to go back to uni and get that disk again
00:59<k-man>oh those were the days
00:59<ArcAiN6><--- remembers lawn darts and when soda came in glass bottles... *GASP*
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00:59<k-man>what is lawn darts?
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01:00<ArcAiN6>can i pm you a link k-man?
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01:01<k-man>well this is funny... i was trying to boot darik's boot and nuke, and the cd wouldn't boot, but i was able to boot the ultimate boot cd
01:01<k-man>ArcAiN6, yes, go ahead, thanks for asking :)
01:01<k-man>and low and behold, ultimate boot cd had dariks boot and nuke on it!
01:01<k-man>how cool
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01:01<ArcAiN6>go go redundancy go go
01:03<TweakGames>hi all just did a fresh install of debian on my network server now I am trying to log into my debian machine using // on my windows box so I can access files but it is asking for a username and password and my root doesnt work. Is there some setting I need to change somewhere? Also what is the program that lets windows boxes log and see files on linux boxes? is it samba?
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01:04<ArcAiN6>you trying to remote desktop, ssh, vpn, or winblows sharing to the machine?
01:04<TweakGames>I already have ssh, that is what I am using currently.
01:04<TweakGames>using putty.
01:04<ArcAiN6>so you can login to the pox via ssh or no?
01:04<TweakGames>I just finally got my sun server to work with my wireless card. :D took for ever.
01:04<TweakGames>yes I can.
01:05<TweakGames>I am logged into it now. From this windows box.
01:05<chealer>TweakGames: do you have KDE? samba, yes.
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01:05<ArcAiN6>winblows file sharing is what yer after
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01:05<TweakGames>archain6 yes I think so.
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01:05<k-man>cripes! lawn darts have been responsible for the deaths of 3 children!
01:05<ArcAiN6>in your samba conf you need to allow for root logins
01:05<TweakGames>Chealer if KDE was the gui linux (first time I saw a debian install install graphic scared me! ) then yes but I can only use putty so no graphics..
01:06<ArcAiN6>and setup the login info that you'll use from windows
01:06<TweakGames>arcain6 ok is there a way to make sure I have samba installed? I tried loggin in with the other user I created and that didnt seem to work either.
01:06<chealer>TweakGames: OK. I don't know.
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01:07<ArcAiN6>apt-get install samba samba-common python-smbpasswd
01:08<ArcAiN6>omit that last package
01:08<TweakGames>ya it is already installed.:D
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01:08<stroyan>TweakGames: There is a samba HOW-TO at
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01:08<TweakGames>in my conf I have " invalid users = root"
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01:08<TweakGames>take that out im guessing?
01:08<ArcAiN6>kk lemme check my smb.conf
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01:08<ArcAiN6>nah, doesn't matter
01:09<ArcAiN6>unless you aren't going to use it
01:09<ArcAiN6>no sense in wasting good HDD space
01:09<ArcAiN6>python-smbpasswd - if you aren't going to be using this package, don't install it, if unsure, leave it alone
01:10<TweakGames>I just want to set a password so I can login.
01:11<ArcAiN6>you have to set it in /etc/samba/smb.conf
01:11<TweakGames>looks like I need to do this.
01:11<TweakGames>security = ads
01:11<TweakGames>password server = win2003test
01:11<TweakGames>encrypt passwords = yes
01:11<TweakGames>workgroup = testdomain
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01:11<TweakGames>hehe woops
01:11<TweakGames>got kicked I posted to much I guess.
01:12<ArcAiN6>in all honesty, i'm not all fuzzy with samba as i never use it, so you might have to google a samba howto
01:12<k-man>wow, that dariks boot and nuke is scary
01:12<k-man>but I like it
01:13<ArcAiN6>i'm tired, but i've had enough caffine today i feel like hammy from over the hedge
01:13<suiside>k-man: I'm not very surprised if you *burned* floppies =P
01:13[~]ArcAiN6 scrolls up
01:14[~]ArcAiN6 stabs advancemame & advancemenu
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01:15<ArcAiN6>anyone have anyclue?? i have an application that needs /dev/fb/0, but complains (no such file or directory)
01:16<k-man>suiside, did I say "burn"?
01:16<k-man>you know what I meant anyway
01:16<k-man>the principle is the same ;)
01:16[~]ArcAiN6 hands k-man a torch and a stack of his old unstable floppies
01:17<k-man>i threw out most of my floppies a while ago now
01:17<k-man>i just keep a few to annoymyself with
01:17<k-man>when they don't work
01:17<ArcAiN6>i still use them from time to time for odd stuffs...
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01:17<k-man>i mean, they are so unreliable can you believe we used to entrust our data to them in the old days?
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01:17<ArcAiN6>they weren't so bad then though
01:18<ArcAiN6>with the advent of cost effective cd and dvd media, the floppy quality standards were thrown out the window because such media is now deemed obsolete, yet still functional
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01:20<ArcAiN6><--- wants an old 5.25 floppy drive...
01:20<ArcAiN6>incase i lok my keys in the car again, i have something to smash the window with
01:23<TweakGames>the walkthrough says go smbuser -a username but it keeps saying smbuser isnt a command any idea?
01:23<TweakGames>also says do smbpasswd also doesnt work.
01:24<ArcAiN6>replace smbuser with the username on linux you are creating the pass for
01:24<ArcAiN6>taht's not right
01:24<TweakGames>um .. k?
01:27<TweakGames>am I missing something?
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01:29<ArcAiN6>looks fine to me
01:29<ArcAiN6>you using domain, or workgroup structuring?
01:29<TweakGames>server:/# smbuser -a tweak
01:29<TweakGames>-bash: smbuser: command not found
01:30<TweakGames>it doesnt even know know smbuser command is.
01:30<TweakGames>I am using workgroup
01:30<TweakGames>the wwindows box sees the samba it just doesnt have a usrename and password set so I can log in.
01:30<TweakGames>it opens up a login box
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01:32<TweakGames>opps just got it nice
01:32<ArcAiN6>if you already have a user in the system you just do smbpasswd -a XXX
01:32<ArcAiN6>XXX === username
01:32<TweakGames>and I had to chmod a folder
01:32<ArcAiN6>so for root it would be smbpasswd -a root
01:32<TweakGames>so that I can get into it.
01:32<ArcAiN6>this will promt for a password
01:33<ArcAiN6>you also need to make an entry in smb for a general share, or per user shares
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01:33<ArcAiN6>just after the " installing samba " blocker
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01:35<ArcAiN6>also, i've had issues where i had to reboot my winblows machine to get it to work after setting that stuff up
01:35<TweakGames>cool thanks its REALLY slow for some reason
01:35<ArcAiN6>at leaste it's working :)
01:35<TweakGames>dont know why ... but it works I will have to figure out the slowness later.
01:35<TweakGames>im guessing its the crappy wireless card
01:35<ArcAiN6>just mount the drive into your system lol
01:36<ArcAiN6>be lazy about it, that way windows can index it
01:36<Requiem>it's kinda nice how fast it is to reinstall Linux
01:36<ArcAiN6>i have several server's shares mounted into my windows system using the "map network drive " feature
01:37<TweakGames>hmmm kk
01:37<TweakGames>next is ftp :D
01:37<TweakGames>so I can put files on the server remotely
01:37<TweakGames>apt-get install ftp?
01:38<TweakGames>WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
01:38<TweakGames> mysql-common libmysqlclient15off proftpd
01:38<TweakGames>Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
01:38<ArcAiN6>most servers will have the d after it cause it's a daemon
01:38<ArcAiN6>you can, but you should probably import the keyring
01:38<TweakGames>no clue what that menas
01:39<ArcAiN6>erm... there's an authentication key you can register with apt-get blah, that basicly removes that warning because you are " trusting " debian to maintain it's file integrity
01:39<TweakGames>oh ok no worrys
01:40<ArcAiN6>i can't for the life of me remember how to do that...
01:40<ArcAiN6>first thing first is to try apt-get update
01:40<TweakGames>hmmm my server is acting slow .. :\
01:41<ArcAiN6>too much stuff going on? tpe " top " in the terminal
01:41<ArcAiN6>should show you a buncha stuffs about the system's usages and performance
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01:42<ArcAiN6>you can CTRL+C out of that info
01:43<TweakGames>ya im not new to debian
01:43<TweakGames>but thanks. :D
01:43<TweakGames>I ran counter strike servers for years owned my own company just recently getting back into it.
01:43<TweakGames>want to put this server to use.... just sitting there.
01:43<ArcAiN6>mail it to me :)
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01:44[~]ArcAiN6 licks a stamp and puts it on an enveloup and DCC's it to TweakGames
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01:44<TweakGames>sure if you mail me 400$ :D
01:44<ArcAiN6>only 400... what is that server?
01:44<TweakGames>dual 1.4 ghz p3 sun server 1U 2 GB ecc ram
01:44<ArcAiN6>no thanx
01:44<TweakGames>I think 2 18 GB scsi drives
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01:45<Jyzygzel->how much will fresh testing install take space?
01:45<TweakGames>not sure its even worth 400$ any more.
01:46<ArcAiN6>Jyzygzel- depends on what packages you opt to install
01:46<ArcAiN6>tweak you had any experience with lirc?
01:46<Jyzygzel->ArcAiN6 default
01:47<ArcAiN6>Jyzygzel- i have no clue in all honesty, each ssytem is different, so different packages will be installed, but i will guess at around 500 - 900mb
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01:48<ArcAiN6>that's not accounting for swap space
01:48<Jyzygzel->cause this Xubuntu takes 1.5GB
01:48<Jyzygzel->and thats a little too much
01:48<ArcAiN6>have you tried tinylinux
01:49<Jyzygzel->well i got a 6GB hard drive so i probably don't wanna go to the tiniest
01:49<ArcAiN6>TinyLinux is a small Linux Distribution for i386 derived from SuSE 6.4. In the base version it just contains the things which are necessary to run Linux. Therefore the base package is rather small and requires approx. 7MB.
01:49<Jyzygzel->but a fairly small Xfce desktop?
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01:50<ArcAiN6>you can chop alot of HDD space away by not installing games / openoffice / and other such frivolities
01:51<ArcAiN6>centos5 server install
01:51<ArcAiN6>it's fairly small, no GUI from install, but you can install a gui easy peasy
01:52<ArcAiN6>centos is derived from redhat enterprise
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01:59<chealer>Jyzygzel-: about 2 GB
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02:17<yhlfh>hi, i use texlive on my debian lenny box. all symbols generated by textcomp macro looks so ugly in pdf format. evince shows there's some unknown type3 fonts. does anyone know why?
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03:57<godaddy>how do I get CPU Memory and Hard Disk specs from a remote Debian server?
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04:00<streuner_>dmidecode and hddparm should help
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04:00<streuner_>!info hdparm
04:00<dpkg>hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 7.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 252 kB
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04:01<godaddy>!info hdparm
04:01<dpkg>hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 7.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 252 kB
04:01<godaddy>excellent. Thank you :-)
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04:10<Supaplex>godaddy: and sdparm for scsi/sata/usb/firewire
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04:11<godaddy>Supaplex: ta :-)
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04:28<sasha>hi , what is the exact command with update-rc.d ti disable/enable a service (eg : gdm ) on boot
04:29<Ganneff>you dont use it, except you want to get a service back on packge upgrade time
04:29<Ganneff>rm the startup links you dont want,keep the others.
04:29<sasha>ha ok
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04:30<sasha>and where can i put in boot process the following command : xhost +local:user
04:31<Ganneff>.xsession of the user who logs in (or thge global one)
04:32<sasha>where is the global one ?
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04:45<hollo>hmm. i wonder which kind of disks i have in my computer.. are there any way i can probe the manufactor and model of my harddisk?
04:46<gsimmons_>hollo: aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --short --disk
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04:49<hollo>gsimmons_, thanks.. hmm... if i got a raid controller listen.. then if must be hardware raid installed i guess
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05:13<Supaplex>hollo: uh....
05:13<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
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05:14<hollo>Supaplex, oh.. wops.. well.. then i need some new hardware.. pretty stupid the only way i can figure out what i need it to reboot the computer and watch the startup session
05:15<Supaplex>hwinfo, dmidecode. they're pretty good
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05:42<blarson>hollo: hddtemp will tell you the maker and model if the drive supports smart
05:43<hollo>thanks for the suggestions.. i hope that i can find something :)
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06:05<sasha>hi , i m tryig to put xhost +local:user in different X files like xinirc , .xsession but whereever i put it it is overrided by something else where can i put it , i m under gnome
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06:06<Tuxelchen>Hello, im germand an i've got a Problem with suexec and apache2 :/
06:06<Tuxelchen>i hope any can help me there :)
06:07<Tuxelchen>ok, when i try to start apache2 this Warning cames:
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06:10<Tuxelchen>Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.
06:10<Tuxelchen>this error came, but the right's of suexec are correct :)
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06:11<Supaplex>Tuxelchen: show us dpkg -S suexec at
06:12<Tuxelchen>ok here it is:
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06:14<Tuxelchen>this are the rights of suexec: elchen> ok here it is:
06:14<Tuxelchen>* debhelper setzt die Benutzerobergrenze auf 302
06:14<Tuxelchen>* knoppix_odin ( hat #debian betreten
06:14<Tuxelchen><knoppix_odin> hallo???
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06:14<Tuxelchen>sry i had the fals in the clipchart :)
06:15<Supaplex>Radiance: ok, that all checks out. is yours similar?
06:15<Tuxelchen>this are the rights of suexec: -rwsr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data 10244 2007-03-27 15:21 suexec
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06:15<Supaplex>here i have -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 10244 2007-06-17 14:40 /usr/lib/apache2/suexec
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06:17<Supaplex>Tuxelchen: any clues in /var/log/apache2/suexec.log ?
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06:17<Tuxelchen>no, there ist nothin in the lofile :(
06:18<Supaplex>and what about /usr/sbin/a2enmod suexec
06:18<Supaplex>a2enmod (8) - enable or disable an apache2 module
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06:19<valdyn>sasha: how are you starting / logging into gnome ?
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06:20<Tuxelchen>yes it works :) [Thu Nov 01 11:20:31 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
06:20<sasha>valdyn : through gdm
06:20<Tuxelchen>i chanched the ownwer to root an it works :) But i don't know why it works but yerstday it doens't works with the same rigts :)
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06:21<Supaplex>Tuxelchen: suexec should refuse to operate if its permissions are incorrect. there's a whole list of things on why it won't run, to stay secure.
06:22<Tuxelchen>yes :) now it works :)
06:23<sasha>sorry to insist : hi , i m tryig to put xhost +local:user in different X files like xinirc , .xsession but whereever i put it it is overrided by something else where can i put it , i m under gnome
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06:51<bartm>any idea how to suppress the nvidia logo ? I already added Option "NoLogo" "true" but that doesn't suppress it...
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06:56<Vint>I have AphaServer Ds10. install (debian) wiht error on aboot. How can I boot from SRM? (Use Linux 1 week)
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06:57<bartm>ah nevermind my question, got it
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07:13<keving>moin moin
07:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:18<doofy>moin, though it's lunchtime :)
07:21<padski>it a few hours away here, though my stomach is grumbling
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07:24<keving>Where i find a Debian Banner for my Homepage ?¿?
07:24<padski>seen on wikipedia: "as it is of little academic interest [citations needed]"
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07:26<lubos>using fluxbox dm: Is there anything I can do if you want ot some cursor clock when I start some application by duoble-clicking on desktop icon? At the moment I can not see anything ? thank you
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07:27<XTF>Hi. When a daemon is started, it usually closes fd 0, 1 and 2. Should it also close all other fds?
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07:30<padski>XTF: aren't those fd's more about the terminal ? (stdin, stdout, stderr)
07:31<padski>XTF: I'm not certain, but I don't think so.
07:32<padski>XTF: you could look at the various wrapper programs (is it start-stop-daemon ?)
07:32<XTF>padski: It's about
07:33<XTF>Debconf is cloning stdout to fd 3, and I think that fd is kept open and then the script blocks.
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07:35<padski>XTF: I'm confused :-( how does Debconf clone lighttpd's stderr ??
07:36<XTF>It gets more confusing. ;) It's a postinst script of phpMyAdmin that invokes lighttpd force-reload or something.
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07:36<XTF>That postinst script uses debconf, which does the cloning and redirection.
07:37<whochismo>anybody can help me with a problem involving netbios name resolution in samba?
07:37<whochismo>windows machines cannot resolve a linux samba (netbios) name
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07:38<padski>XTF: okay, I see. it gets the open fd 3 from the parent.
07:38<XTF>Yes, indeed. IMO the parent should not let fd 3 be inherited or it should close it.
07:39<whochismo>i've tryied hundreds of ways... but i still don't know where's the problem. smb.conf seems to be ok
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07:40<padski>XTF: dunno about that one, but it seems to make sense to close it on the lighttpd side. going back to your original question, I think the answer is probably "you best do, if there is none there you want"
07:41<padski>XTF: does lighttpd pass fd's accross a fork to it's children ?
07:42<XTF>padski: I have no idea.
07:42<XTF>padski: But this doesn't apply to just Lighttpd, it'd apply to every other daemon, right?
07:42<padski>XTF: just thinking out loud I'm afraid.
07:42<XTF>padski: And AFAIK, normally daemons only close 0, 1 and 2.
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07:45<whochismo>(anybody available for the samba problem?)
07:45<padski>XTF: from ...
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07:46<padski>"Note that many daemons use `sysconf()' to determine the limit `_SC_OPEN_MAX'. `_SC_OPEN_MAX' tells you the maximun open files/process. Then in a loop, the daemon can close all possible file descriptors."
07:47<gsimmons_>whochismo: You might want to try #samba on
07:47<whochismo>oh, i'll try
07:47<whochismo>but i'm afraid i wouldn't be a samba problem...
07:47<whochismo>anyway, i'll ask there
07:48<XTF>padski: I know about that trick. But for example the daemon function doesn't.
07:48<padski>XTF: the daemon function ?
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07:50<XTF>padski: man daemon
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07:53<oxynet>hey guys, i continuous with the same problem about my networks cards (ethernet and firewire)
07:53<oxynet>everytime that i reboot my notebook, the ethernet card change from ethx to ethx+1, now is eth3 and the next time will be eth4
07:53<oxynet>what could be??
07:53<padski>XTF: I'm guessing this allows for the possibility that you would want an fd to survive (and only does 0,1,2 cos that is the minimum required). if that does not apply to you, perhaps you can loop round after you return from the daemon call. anyways, this is getting beyond the point at which I can be helpful. I would suggest that you next conversation need to be with the maintainer, the upstream, or someone more knkowledgeable in these matters than m
07:54<oxynet>i remove everything into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules less about the ethernet card, but nothing chage
07:56<oxynet>i already tried to reinstall Debian in this notebook, but the problem is the same =\
07:57<XTF>padski: Thanks
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07:57<oxynet>the ethernet card appears that is always changing the mac address
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07:58<padski>oxynet: try something like SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="?*", NAME="eth0"
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07:58<padski>oxynet: alothough with a laptop I suppose you may more than one interface ?
07:58<oxynet>the ATTRS{address}== is different in three lines
07:59<oxynet>padski, i have only wired and wireless card
07:59<oxynet>firewire too
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07:59<padski>oxynet: yes, mine says "I don't care which mac address, give it eth0" it is set that way for when a card has to be replaced. I think the setting in etch is a bug that was too late to be fixed ???
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08:00<padski>oxynet: firewire is not ethn is it ?
08:00<oxynet>firewire is eth2
08:01<oxynet>eth0, eth1 and eth3 is ethernet
08:01<padski>oxynet: ah! well you can see the general idea. does your interface boot up with a different mac each time ?!?!?
08:01<oxynet>yes =\ is always a different mac address
08:02<oxynet>and how i use dhcp my IP is always changing
08:02<padski>oxynet: maybe you can try the line I gave you but fill in the driver
08:02<padski>oxynet: what hardware is that ?
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08:03<oxynet>is a nvidia ethernet
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08:04<padski>oxynet: I would have thought it would have an actual mac address that belongs to it, even if you can change it. perhaps you could set it to that each time.
08:05<padski>oxynet: or perhaps it shouldn't be doing that (cos it is usual behaviour). consider filing a bug
08:05<oxynet>i change the z25 now put ?* on mac address i will reboot to see what happend
08:06<padski>oxynet: I think maybe you will need to put in the driver and make it specific to that h/w interface
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08:07<padski>(god knows what you would do with two :-)
08:08<oxynet>the drive is something like forcedeath
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08:14<whochismo>anyone with my samba problem?
08:15<oxynet>padski, i think works, but the IP don´t stop to change, i will need to set the IP on eth0, and stop to use dhcp
08:15<JasonS>whochismo: did you explain what the problem is?
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08:15<whochismo>yes, windows machines cannot resolve the netbios name of one debian server
08:16<padski>oxynet: see suggestions earlier. also, can you just set a static adress ?
08:16<whochismo>and i can't find where's the problem, everything seems to be configured ok
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08:19<oxynet>padski, sure i can
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08:20<padski>oxynet: well, that might be a solution for you :-)
08:22<oxynet>yes, i think is ok now #)
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08:22<oxynet>now i will try to make work the wireless connection, i will remove the WAP into my wireless network to see if this is the problem
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08:24<oxynet>padski everythink is ok with my wired network
08:25<padski>oxynet: you are welcome, enjoy!
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08:59<jag>does any one knows a pritty good tutorial on how to setup beryl in debian, i already installed it but when i try to switch to beryl as the manager it doesn't change to it
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09:00<sebastw>hello world
09:01<jag>does any one knows a pritty good tutorial on how to setup beryl in debian, i already installed it but when i try to switch to beryl as the manager it doesn't change to it
09:01<sebastw>i have problems with python on sid
09:01<sebastw>Someone can help me please?
09:01<jag>what exact prob
09:01<sebastw>I can ru deluge-torrent, glchess and more pythons programs
09:01<sebastw>i can't run
09:02<sebastw>Who has problems with python?
09:03<jag>well i thin i wont be able to help with this as i didnt work with this before but im wondering if you already uninstall and install python or the programs
09:04<sebastw>well ... What python package ?
09:06<sebastw>is it normal to have python version 2.4 AND 2.5 in same system?
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09:08<jag>well in my deb syst i just have 2.4
09:08<jag>and i have the latest estable etc distro
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09:09<jag>well i get to work
09:09<jag>youll need to read more on the net
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09:10<sebastw>cool bye
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09:14<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
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09:29<oxynet>can anybody help me with ndiswrapper?
09:29<dpkg>ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper.
09:31<oxynet>yes, i install ndiswrapper, and when i taped ndiswrapper -l appers that my drive is installed and the hardware is present
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09:32<oxynet>but when i taped iwconfig, don´t appear any wireless card
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09:33<padski>padski: sorry, that was the full extent of my knowledge.
09:33<oxynet>padski don´t know what could be?
09:33<patricio>oxynet: have u tried 'ifup wlan0' in the dir /etc/network ?
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09:34<padski>no idea. zero, nada, nil, zilch.
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09:41<Jyzygzel->how do you install alsa in debian?
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09:41<Jyzygzel->i know that i need Alsa with es1968 module
09:41<dpkg>somebody said alsa was or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install>
09:42<padski>!alsa install
09:42<dpkg>it has been said that alsa install is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer
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10:05<Jyzygzel->hmm is there a way to bg so that the process output won't come to that consoler?
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10:09<Myon>Jyzygzel-: I don't think so
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10:09<padski>Jyzygzel-: you should have been here earlier :-)
10:09<doofy>Resources for knowing a bit more about Debian Project culture:
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10:09<doofy>Asperger's syndrome
10:09<padski>Jyzygzel-: you want to do this to something that is already running, or that you are going to start ?
10:10<doofy>is that really supposed to be there?
10:10<padski>doofy: supposed ?
10:11<doofy>padski: well, it shouldnt be there, right?
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10:11<padski>doofy: you are looking for moral support before you do your edit ?
10:12<doofy>yeah, well, i dont know ;>
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10:13<Myon>doofy: uhm, the latter 2 are similar
10:13<Jyzygzel->padski something that is already running
10:13<Jyzygzel->i mean you can ofc do foobar > /dev/null &
10:13<Jyzygzel->but what if the program is already running
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10:13<Jyzygzel->lets say you are wgetting a big file and then you wanna do something else
10:14<Myon>doofy: imho ditch them
10:14<Myon>(though the last one is an intertesting article)
10:15<doofy>Myon: Dosnt really have much to do with debian thought
10:15<doofy>ehm, though
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10:17<Myon>doofy: seems to have been added by the creator of the page though:
10:17<padski>Jyzygzel-: you stop (^Z) the prog and then bg it ?
10:18<Jyzygzel->and i will still get the print
10:18<Jyzygzel->the output of the program
10:18<padski>Jyzygzel-: are you on a VC ?
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10:19<Jyzygzel->padski VC?
10:19<Jyzygzel->Virtual COmputer?
10:19<padski>Jyzygzel-: virtual console. Alt-F1, Alt-F2 (tty1, tty2, etc)
10:19<Jyzygzel->no no
10:19<Jyzygzel->bg > /dev/null & didn't work :(
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10:20<padski>Jyzygzel-: I just did bg 1
10:21<padski>doofy: you might want to look at the layout at the top of that page. it really isn't obvious looking at the text.
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10:28<Tets>Hi all. Does anyone knows why package "acpi-support" depends on "nvclock" in Sid? My laptop is AMD/ATI only - I don't want to overclock nVidia card...
10:29<padski>Tets: I'm sure I was reading about this is my mailbox only this morning. debian-devel I think.
10:30<Tets>padski: I'll search it then, thanks. I googled, but found nothing :(
10:30<padski>Tets: IIUC it is a bug that won't be fixed soon.
10:31<gsimmons_>Tets: From the package changelog: "Use nvclock instead of smartdimmer for setting LCD brightness on Sony laptops."
10:32<Tets>gsimmons_: Mine is Acer with LG LCD, but that might be it.
10:32<padski>Tets: somewhere around here
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10:35<Tets>padski: gsimmons_: Thank you both.
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10:40<dpkg>xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
10:40<Jyzygzel->but where is the installationg guide? :<
10:40<Jyzygzel->!xorg installation
10:40<padski>Tets: your welcome.
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10:49<dpkg>methinks blackbox is a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the bbtools factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use...
10:50<Jyzygzel->just doing "apt-get install blackbox" isn't enough :p
10:51<JasonS>Jyzygzel-: well you'll need xorg etc as well
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10:54<reflect>how do I save the information on my gnome desktop so that my desklets stay when I reboot?
10:56<Jyzygzel->JasonS i need to find out what that etc is
10:57<Jyzygzel->hmm Tasksel lets me pick "Desktop environment"
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11:00<padski>Jyzygzel-: tasksel "Desktop Enviroment" recommended
11:01<Jyzygzel->will it install stupid stuff like "Openoffice" "Firefox"
11:01<Jyzygzel->i wanna know what it installs
11:01<Jyzygzel->i don't want useless junk
11:01<padski>Jyzygzel-: dunno, I never do it that way! ;-)
11:01<Jyzygzel->me neither
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11:02<Jyzygzel->i want something very basic and light
11:02<padski>Jyzygzel-: xfce4 is worth a look
11:02<Jyzygzel->way too heavy
11:02<Jyzygzel->blackbox is the way to go
11:02<padski>sawfish ?
11:03<Jyzygzel->but i just installed apt-get install blackbox :D
11:03<Jyzygzel->it wasn't enough ;P
11:03<padski>you have a middle button then ? ;-)
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11:04<Jyzygzel->tasksel -t
11:05<Jyzygzel->testmode ;)
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11:06<Jyzygzel->so the Desktop Environment is actually debconf-apt-progress -- aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install ~t^desktop$ ~t^gnome-desktop$
11:06<Jyzygzel->the Gnome desktop requires double the amount of memory my computer has
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11:07<Jyzygzel->its not really a good choice :p
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11:07<Jyzygzel->yea i mean i can install window managers
11:07<sasha>hi i cannot see any user using Xchat is it normal ?
11:07<Jyzygzel->they just wont work themselves
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11:07<padski>sasha: no
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11:08<padski>"work themselves" ?
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11:08<Jyzygzel->apt-get install matchbox && matchbox
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11:08<Jyzygzel->what are the requiments
11:08<padski>matchbox will need a DISPLAY
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11:09<Jyzygzel->so what else do i need to apt-get
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11:10<Jyzygzel->now we talkin
11:11<Jyzygzel->anything else?
11:11<padski>can you startx with that ?
11:12<Jyzygzel->can i?
11:12<padski>yes, can you ?
11:12<Jyzygzel->so you don't know?
11:13<padski>Jyzygzel-: no, you haven't told me :-)
11:13<Jyzygzel->well you know its 100MB of files
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11:13<Jyzygzel->i wouldn't like to install them for nothing
11:13<padski>well, it ought to do something then
11:14<Jyzygzel->well its not if there someone who knows excactly what to get when you wanna start a window manager
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11:14<padski>don't go away thinking htat it is X that is bloated. I have an original ipaq will run all this stuff (not in debian packages though ;-)
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11:27<JasonS>Jyzygzel-: you're complaining about 100MB? are you on dialup or pay per MB?
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11:31<firstbit>hi all
11:32<firstbit>could anyone help me with the creation of multiple deb packages please?
11:32<Jyzygzel->JasonS you would complain too with 6GB HD
11:33<JasonS>6G? where did you find a drive that small? :0
11:33<Jyzygzel->hey this drive used to be big as heck
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11:35<padski>shrank in the wash ?
11:35<JasonS>padski: its cold outside
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11:37<Jyzygzel->Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
11:37<Jyzygzel->what is that?
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11:38<padski>!public key
11:38<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details.
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11:40<iH|kane>how can i change from gij to sun-java. i have installed sun-java already
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11:41<Jyzygzel->why don't i have color in my xterm?
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11:43<JasonS>Jyzygzel-: because you havent told it to have it?
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11:52<ra9ftm>Hello all. Is anybody knows all about configuration PDC: LDAP+SAMBA? I need some help.
11:52<thor>Question can ubuntu-desktop run on debian
11:53<padski>thor: and would it still be debian if it did ? ;-)
11:53<thor>padski, yes i whan stability
11:54<padski>want ?
11:54<thor>padski, yes
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11:54<JasonS>then run debian
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11:54<thor>JasonS, debian take to long to set up
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11:55<thor>JasonS, last time i didt it i use 2 days on in
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11:56<JasonS>thor: heh what the heck did you do/pick?
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11:57<thor>JasonS, codes and some desktop stuf
11:57<JasonS>must have been on dialup i swear or you picked everthing you could see
11:58<thor>JasonS, have 4mb internet
11:58<JasonS>thor: your best bet it to run either debian or ubuntu and dont try mixing andmatching
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12:00<thor>JasonS, ok but i was only asking because i have read that ubuntu stuf runs on debian
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12:00<JasonS>thor: ubuntu forum by any chance?
12:01<thor>JasonS, mabey tanks you
12:01<thor>thanks you
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12:12<vsayikiran>i am not able to listen to sound in vls
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12:13<lrp>hello everyone
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12:15<vsayikiran>please any one help me vlc is not playing sound
12:15<swolf>hi spielt hier jemand freeciv unter sid?
12:15<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:16<Eulex>vsayikiran, does it work on other applications?
12:16<vsayikiran>i am not able listen to sound in vlc, what codec is required
12:16<Eulex>define 'not able to'
12:17<vsayikiran>Eulex: yes, it works in totem player
12:17<vsayikiran>Eulex: vlc doesn't play sound but video
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12:18<vsayikiran>Eulex: vlc is not able to play sound
12:18<Eulex>vsayikiran, what _happens_ when you try to play sound in vlc?
12:18<Eulex>in any case, bbl
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12:19<vsayikiran>Eulex: nothing progress bar moves forward with no sound
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12:20<vsayikiran>Eulex: i watch movies in vlc with no sound, its like speechless movie
12:21<scorp>vsayikiran, which type of file are you trying to reproduce?
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12:25<interbird>Anyone knows any other ## for debian-hurd besides ##hurd ?
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12:26<dpkg>methinks hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on
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12:32<Eulex>vsayikiran, is the volume in vlc turned up?
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12:33<vsayikiran>Eulex: its full
12:33<vsayikiran>Eulex: the problem is with some codec
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12:34<Eulex>vsayikiran, does vlc give you any error? (try starting it from a terminal to see whether it outputs any error in the console)
12:34<vsayikiran>Eulex: even with full volume i am not able to listen sound
12:34<vsayikiran>Eulex: yes it does, i will paste in
12:36<Dartagnan>i need flash4linux can you help me?
12:36<witte>!tell Dartagnan about flash
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12:37<Dartagnan>flash4linux not flash player
12:37<witte>ah, ok sorry :-)
12:38<Dartagnan>there is a precompiled package?
12:38<Dartagnan>or i have to compile it?
12:38<Eulex>not in debian
12:38<Dartagnan>just a moment
12:39<stan_ley>Q: how do i dowloand files 1-10 using wget? wget http://files[1-10] ?
12:39<Dartagnan>make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
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12:39<Dartagnan>i have this error
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12:41<witte>stan_ley: for i in `seq 1 10`;do wget$i.html;done
12:41<Eulex>Dartagnan, ask the ones that created it. but to me it looks like you need qmake.
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12:42<witte>stan_ley: the $i should replace the number...
12:42<witte>stan_ley: and if you need 01 instead of 1, you need `seq -w 1 10`
12:43<witte>stan_ley: and note that it could be that this is only valid in bash, and probably not the only (or even easiest way) of doing this
12:45<stan_ley>thanks, i thought wget had this integrated feature
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12:45<witte>stan_ley: could be, you should see teh man page :-)
12:46<stan_ley>i did, i remember seeing it and using it a while ago; oh well
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12:46<vsayikiran>Eulex: sorry my net is slow,
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12:46<wo0f>how do you manage the running daemons?
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12:47<Eulex>vsayikiran, something else is using the sound card. and I guess it uses oss.
12:47<Eulex>vsayikiran, lsof|grep /dev/dsp? lsof|grep /dev/snd?
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12:48<vsayikiran>Eulex: even without any other s/w , vlc is not able to play sound, at present i am watching movie in totem player
12:49<petemc>wo0f: /etc/init.d/daemon , there are often options in /etc/default/ too
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12:50<Eulex>vsayikiran, my guess is that some sound daemon, like esd or artsd, is blocking the sound card. now answer my question (put the output in a pastebin) if you want the problem solved.
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12:51<wo0f>petemc: cheers mate
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12:52<gnu_andy>anyone familiar with installing etch on a ppc32 mac?
12:52<gnu_andy>(powerbook g4)
12:52<dpkg>methinks ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
12:52<gnu_andy>cheers dpkg
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12:53<wo0f>and also, my friends seems to have made his account not appear when users is executed
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12:53<wo0f>does anyone know how this is done?
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12:53<vsayikiran>Eulex: i am doing net is slow , please bear with me
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12:54<Eulex>vsayikiran, stop esd. heck, I'd even uninstall it, you don't need it if you've got alsa working.
12:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one.
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12:55<[Naigovan]>nice -)
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12:58<vsayikiran>Eulex; so what should i do?
12:58<vsayikiran>Eulex: so that is creating all the problem
12:58<vsayikiran>Eulex: i enabled esd to enable "Play System Sound" in Preference->Sounds menu
12:58<vsayikiran>Eulex: please tell me if after uninstalling will i be able to play sound in totem player, rhythmbox playere
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12:58<Eulex>wow, laggy net there
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13:02<vsayikiran>Eulex: please tell me how to uninstall esd, i want to completely remove it
13:02<Eulex>vsayikiran, apt-get remove esound
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13:04<vsayikiran>Eulex: it is also removing "gnome-desktop-environment"
13:04<vsayikiran>Eulex: is that normal
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13:04<Eulex>vsayikiran, gnome-desktop-environment is a metapackage.
13:04<dpkg>[metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers
13:05<vsayikiran>Eulex: so there is no problem in removing it?
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13:06<Eulex>vsayikiran, no.
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13:07<Eulex>vsayikiran, that package contains no files.
13:07<unknown>hello, i have a question
13:07<unknown>what´s the difference between the i386 and the other versions of debian?
13:08<alaya>the platform, i.e. the cpu type/architecture
13:08<vsayikiran>Eulex: esd is still there after apt-get remove, i thought apt-get uninstall would be better
13:08<unknown>can i install this version on a pc with amd-processor?
13:08<vsayikiran>Eulex; do i need to restart computer
13:08<alaya>is it amd 64 or 32 bit cpu?
13:08<alaya>then yes
13:09<unknown>thank you
13:09<alaya>there is the amd64 port for the 64 ones
13:09<unknown>& bye, i have to install somethin ;)
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13:10<padski>vsayikiran: afaics /usr/bin/esd is in the package esound and apt-get remove should do the job
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13:10<Eulex>vsayikiran, you would perhaps need to kill it.
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13:11<vsayikiran>padski: yes searched for esd its not there in the path
13:12<padski>vsayikiran: as Eulex says. even if the file has been deleted an already started instance might continue to run
13:12<wo0f>does anyone here i boinc_client?
13:12<vsayikiran>Eulex: i will contact after restarting, i will check if problem is still there or not?
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13:13<JasonS>vsayikiran: /exit
13:14<vsayikiran>no its not working i dont know why
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13:15<sssvi01>how to change the symlink files target link
13:15<Aleric>What is a symlink files target link?
13:15<padski>sssvi01: ln -sfn target link
13:16<Aleric>Are you sure there isn't a some word missing there?
13:16<padski>please ;-)
13:16<sssvi01>thank u
13:17<Aleric>s = symbolic, f = force (replace), n = ?
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13:19<wo0f>is it possible to run an x-server to logon to?
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13:19<wo0f>but not obviously run one for the server
13:19<wo0f>just like when you log in over net?
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13:21<padski>wo0f: I think that is called something else. an X server has a display, unles you mean something like xnest
13:22<wo0f>padski: oh right, *googles*
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13:23<padski>wo0f: it sems like odd terminology at first sight, but your xterms are the clients (which can be over the network), and the Xserver is the display.
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13:23<vsayikiran>Eulex: hurray , its working , thank you a lot
13:23<vsayikiran>Eulex: would you like to explain why esd was blocking sound?
13:23<vsayikiran>Eulex: now how can i enable Preferences->
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13:24<padski>wo0f: I think there is a way to set it up so that all your clients are running remotely from logon, but I've never done it (XDMCP comes to mind)
13:24<wo0f>padski: i see
13:25<wo0f>padski: yeh im just looking at XDMCP now
13:25<vsayikiran>Eulex: how can i enable Preference-> Sound -> Play System Sounds
13:25<vsayikiran>padski: how can i remotely connect to a windows xp desktop from my etch OS
13:26<padski>vsayikiran: rdesktop or vnc
13:26<vsayikiran>padski: you didnt answer to my question
13:27<padski>vsayikiran: you reckon ?
13:27<vsayikiran>padski: so i have to install this package
13:28<padski>you can't run a program you don't have
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13:29<vsayikiran>i am able to change the brightness of the laptop display, but when i set to maximum brightness, it glares a lot , how can i reduce this glare
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13:30<vsayikiran>is it possible to decrease the glare of my laptop screen?
13:30<axxum>hi all
13:31<Eulex>vsayikiran, I do only think that is possible when esd is installed and running.
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13:31<Eulex>vsayikiran, and that's a flaw in gnome.
13:31<vsayikiran>i want to decrease the glare on my laptop display
13:32<Eulex>vsayikiran, in any case, esd is a mixer daemon, it lets other applications mix sound through it.
13:32<Eulex>vsayikiran, that'd quite much a hardware question.
13:32<Gathond>vsayikiran: usually on dells its FN and down arrow
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13:33<Eulex>... I think that decreases brightness
13:33<vsayikiran>Eulex: first answer is about glare?
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13:33<Gathond>but that probably depends on the harddware
13:33<Eulex>vsayikiran, no, the last.
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13:33<vsayikiran>Gathond: mine is latitude d520, i am able to change brightness , but with full brightness the screen shines like sun
13:34<Gathond>I'm not sure the glare is adjustable, rather its a feature of the display, dell calls it something
13:34<Gathond>and its annoying as hell if there is other light falling on it
13:34<Eulex>glossy screen?
13:34<Gathond>Eulex: yeah
13:34<Eulex>yeah, matte tfts for life.
13:34<Gathond>its both good (sometimes) and bad(other times)
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13:35<Gathond>as long as there is no direct sunlight on it its fine and I actually like it
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13:35<Eulex>I guess there is quite much sun down in india.
13:35<Gathond>vsayikiran: but if the glare is from you having a glossy screen then you probably cant change that, as its a property of the coating put on the LCD panel
13:36<vsayikiran>Gathond: then how can i decrease it
13:36<Eulex>he just said that you probably can't change it.
13:36<Gathond>vsayikiran: the brightness? or the glare?
13:36<Gathond>if the glare is from a glossy screen, then you can't
13:36<Eulex>as in neither increase nor decrease the glare.
13:37<Gathond>not without replacint the screen with another non glossy one
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13:39<Gathond>vsayikiran: so if I've understood the problem right i.e. glare on a glossy screen as upposed to matte you can't change it, If I've misunderstood then you might be able to
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13:41<Aleric>vsayikiran: If you're using nvidia drivers, you can change the default brightness of the screen.
13:42<Aleric>You'd run nvidia-settings
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13:42<Aleric>Of course, normally you can also tune down the brightness with controls on the monitor itself :/
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13:58<Raaku>question, what is the ftp for apt
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13:59<Raaku>im using
13:59<Raaku>and its not workin well
13:59<JasonS>!tell Raaku about sources.list
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14:00<fxiny>hmmm : e17 on a $198 box ...
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14:01<muh2000>samba bug
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14:04<Jabka>is it possible to change only the name of package maintainer ?
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14:04<Jabka>(on my packages ) that are uploded to mentors server
14:05<Raaku>it seems that cc US doesn't funtion properly
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14:20<Myon>dpkg: tell giovanni about it
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14:21<MrAlk3>how can i use aptitude to download debian packages and have it grab the dependencies at the same time?
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14:22<fxiny>just download ? aptitude -d <packagename>
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14:22<MrAlk3>it doesnt grab the depends though
14:23<MrAlk3>so if i grab module-assistant it misses anything m-a needs to run
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14:25<ArcAiN6>anyone alive today?
14:25<avtobiff>yes, alive and kicking actually
14:25<fxiny>aptitude is not supposed to read the future
14:25<witte>no, it is all saints day, we celebrate the dead
14:26<ArcAiN6>i've got a wierd problem
14:26<witte>MrAlk3: i do not know what does not work for you, but you can let m-a download the dependencies it needs iirc
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14:27<ArcAiN6>i have a couple of older applications called advancemame, and advancemenu, they require /dev/fb0 and dev/fb/0 but the system does not have these? any suggestions on what i can do?
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14:30<dpkg>i heard framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
14:30<Supaplex>ArcAiN6: ^^^
14:30<dpkg>[framebuffer] a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
14:31<ArcAiN6>this doesn't help
14:31<fxiny>next will be : rumors ...
14:32<dpkg>[fbcon] a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow...
14:32<ArcAiN6>ok... still no help
14:33<Eulex>basically, get a framebuffer console.
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14:33<Supaplex>don't be afraid to do some reasearch. personally I have no desire to mess with fbcon, framebuffering, etc.
14:34<diegox>Hi everybody!
14:34<diegox>I desperately need help
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14:34<Supaplex>!tell diegox -about ask
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14:34<ArcAiN6>diegox, they'll just link you some useless info and then tell you to do some research
14:34<diegox>supaplex: what's ask?
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14:35<Supaplex>diegox: we'd be happy to help, provided you ask a relavant debian related question.
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14:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:36<Supaplex>diegox: dpkg even says so :) that's <ask>
14:36<diegox>supaplex: I guess i only have debian (installation) related question
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14:37<diegox>the fact is know almost nothing about linux
14:38<Supaplex>ok so you don't get my drift. let's try this again
14:38<Supaplex>Can we help you with your question?
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14:40<diegox>for two days i've been trying to install debian 4.0 r1 amd64 on a core2 duo (E6750) with an intel dg33bu mother.
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14:40<diegox>But the installer doesn't recognize my LG dvd (or at least that's the message i get)
14:42<Supaplex>is this a sata drive? I know there are, or atleast were issues around some ihc chipsets, but let's see what we can figure out
14:42<diegox>For what some people told me, the problem could be the controller that comes with my motherboard, for wich there are no drivers (at least not in the installer cd)
14:42<diegox>ide i guess
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14:42<Supaplex>is this a retail system? what make and model is the computer?
14:43<Supaplex>well I guess I can lookup intel dg33bu
14:43<diegox>my controller is intel ich9 2 port serial ata
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14:45<Supaplex>ahh, Others have had the similar problems. It seems that the chipset is too new for the current (stable) debian release.
14:46<Supaplex>a few web searches glean that out
14:46<diegox>I live in Argentina, here retail systems are too expensive. This computer is built from separated parts.
14:46<diegox>mother chip, gabinet, etc...
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14:46<Supaplex>is there anyway to change you bios to emulate legacy pata support?
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14:47<Supaplex>yea, I don't know why I thought a retail system was relavant. it's a fleeting thought.
14:47<diegox>someone recomended me a newer version from "kmuto" but didn't work either
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14:50<diegox>I looked all my bios options, but i didn't find any related to the controller.
14:50<diegox>The most similar is in "drives". I tryed to change different parameters, but i got nothing
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14:52<diegox>Ah! following the installation guide, i looked into var/log/syslog for errors.
14:52<diegox>this is what caugh my attention:
14:53<diegox>hw-detect: loading PCMCIA bridge driver module: i82365
14:53<diegox>hw-detect: FATAL: Module i82365 not found
14:53<diegox>is it relevant?
14:54<Supaplex>no, pcmcia is normally for older laptops
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14:55<wo0f>can anyone recomend a prog for c++ on the command line?
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14:55<wo0f>(strictly wrong chan i know :$)
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14:57<Supaplex>diegox: you might try one of these images. it will install testing by default. if you need long term stability, I'd suggest rolling a <custom netinst> after you're up and running, and reinstall etch with your newer kernel.
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14:57<wo0f>im looking for an IDE, but i suspect there will not be one single tool?
14:58<greenplastic>hello i'm having problems with my keyboard-properties, here's my bug report, please anybody help me
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15:00<diegox>i already tryed thatone too
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15:00<diegox>(that one)
15:00<diegox>didn't work
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15:01<diegox>allso tryed a USB drive net installation. It hangs before the installer is loaded
15:02<diegox>I tryed with another cd drive.... nothing
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15:04<Supaplex>diegox: they're daily builds. recent logs suggest some daily builds were broken. what's the last time you tried it?
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15:04<Supaplex>!testing netinst
15:04<dpkg>testing netinst is, like, see for daily built netinst images for <testing>. See also and <custom netinst>
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15:05<Supaplex>diegox: ok. #debian-boot might have other options.
15:05<alys>help!! - my file system (debian sarge) has become 'read only'. Any ideas on how to correct this, please?
15:07<Supaplex>diegox: ahh
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15:08<Supaplex>alys: did you unmount do fsck on it?
15:08<alys>no - how do I do that? I'm not an expert, just an 'interested female' - sorry.
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15:09<diegox>I must write acpi=off, otherwise the installer freezes while loading
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15:10<Supaplex>alys: that's ok. it's usually automatic if you reboot. it might prompt you for a root password if fsck needs a little special attention
15:10<diegox>supaplex: I didn't understand. #debian-boot might have other options?
15:10[~]Supaplex wonders over to his meal
15:11[~]fxiny wonders if "that meal" is a pumpkin
15:11<Supaplex>diegox: /join #debian-boot - that's where the developers of debian installer hang out. let them know about your motherboard and controller chipset
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15:14<doofy>Could use some help: trying to make but get (Running debian etch, latest stable)
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15:15<diegox>supaplex: thank you very much
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15:30<DTE>hi all
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15:31<DTE>how can i use xen on sid? there isn't anymore the linux-image-xen?
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15:31<petemc>you need to compile the kernel yourself, for now
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15:32<DTE>petemc: every kernel?
15:32<petemc>you only need one
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15:32<alys>hi! - I'm back again. Thanks for the help. I became root, did fsck and it was able to find and correct lots of errors. Then I did 'mount -n -o remount,rw /' and my file system is now read/write. Thanks, fellas...
15:33<DTE>petemc: i mean...2.6.22 is ok? and how should i compile it?
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15:35<petemc>DTE: i use the packages from etch
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15:39<Supaplex>alys: cool
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15:40<DTE>petemc: i was reading xen going to be supported in the next stable release?
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15:41<DTE>or we should just try some other options (kvm, lguest)?
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15:45<chealer>alys: remember, your disk is likely scrap
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15:47<bazan>Hi there!
15:48<bazan>I've got a little problem. Anyone here who wants to help me?
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15:51<alys>chealer: thanks for the advice - I can replace it from a stock of 'spare' drives. Indeed, it is a good idea....
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15:52<jolinex>Hello people
15:52<jolinex>I need advice
15:53<jolinex>I am looking for a software for authoring
15:53<doofy>authoring what?
15:53<jolinex>I have my marriage video in avi format and I want to make a standard video DVD
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15:54<jolinex>I think K3b has an option for this issue, but it appears no to make any conversion on the file format when writing de DVD
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15:55<jolinex>doofy: thanks
15:56<doofy>jolinex: good luck
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15:56<datura>(tries to be casual a he can) grep searchs documents, find searchs a given partition right?
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15:57<jolinex>doofy: Is there a all-in-one software than can do all this in Debian Sid?
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15:57<fxiny>you can grep a partition too
15:57<doofy>jolinex: I dont know, sorry, I just googled "avi editior debian"
15:57<jolinex>doofy: thanks anyway!
15:58<datura>ok well, i'm triing to locate my wallpaper folder and rely less on man pages, and other reasouces like you guys.
15:58<bazan>I can't find my router any more in the network configuration center wlan0 is set active and I can choose between two available networks...
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15:58<datura>(looking at man grep and xchat)
15:58<bazan>But when I connect to my network nothing happens, does anyone know some advice
15:59<bazan>a dot is missing between "any more" and "in"
15:59<datura>(regarding foldersearch) but grep searchs FILE
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16:00<fxiny>datura: find or locate then
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16:02<fxiny>jolinex: you need mplayer ,goole for a tutorial , keys : "linux convert avi to dvd"
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16:03<fxiny>jolinex: add : deb etch main in your sources list
16:04<jolinex>fxiny: ok, added
16:04<jolinex>I already have mplayer
16:04<jolinex>but I think it doesn't work last days
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16:05<jolinex>fxiny: can I substitute etch by sid?
16:05<fxiny>jolinex: yes
16:05<fxiny>jolinex: running sid ? you should know it :)
16:06<jolinex>:) yes sometimes it goes wrong but the most time I works well
16:07<jolinex>I have a powerbook so I need to be very updated
16:07<fxiny>the thrill of the cutting edge :)
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16:07<kingsley>What's the name of the command line tool that adds to images the special effect of superimposed green text from the movie called the "Matrix"?
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16:08<posix_>How do you fix ruby gems so that they load from /var/lib instead of the debian default (/usr/lib)?
16:09<posix_>I do *not* want to use debian package management for my gems..
16:09<fxiny>is imagemagick installed ?
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16:12<fxiny>kingsley: convert ?
16:12<Supaplex>fxiny: COOOOOoooooOOOLLLLL pumpkin alert:
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16:13<fxiny>Supaplex: :)))))
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16:14<fxiny>Supaplex: my icewilly wears a halloweeen theme :)
16:14<datura>how do i type a wildcard for [u]find[/u] that represents a directory structure thats * deep and has any name?
16:14<theone>i need to able do verbal command on my computer
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16:14<datura>like find */wallpaper but working (and more elegant)
16:15<petemc>parse error
16:15<kingsley>fxiny: No, I don't think so... I'd like to convert images in a way that imagemagick can't... to a black background with green text dropping over the shape of the original image.
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16:17<Highshadow>ii dont want sound crazy but what is meant on top ... no public key for lenny? i run lenny and never had a gpg error
16:18<Supaplex>Highshadow: it's just a FAQ. that's good though =)
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16:19<Highshadow>Supaplex, thank you .. now i get it
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16:19<fxiny>Supaplex: hahahaah "Trogdor, the Burninator!" let's flame !
16:19<fxiny>can't believe it
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16:20<fxiny>kingsley: sure any of "dpkg -L imagemagic" can't do it ?
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16:21<Supaplex>my pumpkin featured a slow strobe light usually used on a bicycle. I cracked the xenon tube once, so I replaced it with one similar - but the frequency is not very consistant. there's a lot of deviation between one burst to the next. it makes it just that much more errie :)
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16:24<fxiny>still an high tech pumpkin ;)
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16:26<fxiny>you need a proper soundtrack for the strobe : i suggest b52 ...
16:28<fxiny>Supaplex: i have recycled my bicycle pump for my boxes cleaning :P
16:29<fxiny>ffff ffff
16:29<Supaplex>maybe next year. I'm still beating myself up for a 4track amiga mod I lost years ago. I downloaded it from a bbs in California. I've never to this day recalled the name of the track, nor found it in any backups I had. :(
16:29<Supaplex>it was awesome
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16:30<w00ter>hi, quick question, what package i need again for the 'killall' command?
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16:31<chealer>!tell w00ter about search
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16:31<nowhereman>w00ter: apt-cache search killall
16:31<aricz>perhaps it was one of Captain's .mods.. :) a very good early tracker
16:31<fxiny>it sits in your /usr/bin
16:32<dondelelcaro>it's in psmisc, but you should be able to find that out on your own.
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16:32<w00ter>i did search, but i couldn't, and still can't find it in aptitude. Anyway, thanks for the awnser dondelelcaro
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16:33<chealer>w00ter: did you see the factoid sent to you by dpkg?
16:33<dpkg>search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see
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16:33<dondelelcaro>w00ter: apt-file, dpkg -S, or would have given you the answer.
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16:34<fxiny>apt-cache search killall >> psmisc - Utilities that use the proc filesystem
16:34<fxiny>easy like dancing under a chery moon
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16:36<Supaplex>if I move .wine aside, are there any other places a stock debian-offical-etch wine may reference? I want to advert any local system configurations and profile issues if possible. previously winecfg was crashing with a backtrace and no existing .wine directory.
16:37<Supaplex>humm.. after purge and reinstall, it's still doing this.
16:37<w00ter>what differance is there between apt-cache and aptitude search? i thought one was a replacement for the other ?
16:37<w00ter>apt-cache search*
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16:37<dondelelcaro>w00ter: they do slightly different things
16:38<w00ter>ic, cause aptitude search killall returns nothing, thats what i've been searching in
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16:38<dondelelcaro>aptitude search is quite a bit more powerfull, though.
16:38<w00ter>weird that it doesn't find it then in my case with aptitude
16:39<dondelelcaro>w00ter: that may not return anything; you need to use apt-file,, or dpkg -S (if the package is installed) to search for files or programs included in a package
16:39<fxiny> ~/.wine is the only one
16:39<dpkg>fxiny: okay
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16:39<fxiny>what do you want ?
16:40[~]Supaplex creates a new vserver guest in hopes of isolating this wine madness... grrr
16:40<fxiny>he gets all the "~" ?
16:40<Supaplex>dpkg: listkeys .wine
16:40<dpkg>Factoid search of '.wine' by key (1): /.wine.
16:40<Supaplex>dpkg: forget /.wine
16:40<dpkg>i forgot /.wine, Supaplex
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16:41<Supaplex>fxiny: in the absence of the apt bot, I presume.
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16:41<dpkg>Test Failed.
16:41<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ? i'll be in v-irc over the weekend , i already grabbed irc logs :)
16:41<dpkg>supaplex rolled: 3
16:41<chealer>w00ter: see the manual pages
16:42<dpkg>nowhereman rolled: 4
16:42<nowhereman>!roll 1d10
16:42<Supaplex>at the rate I'm playing with vserver, I should make a transparent proxy.
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16:42<Supaplex>to cache all these debs :P
16:42<fxiny>Supaplex: i dont mv ~/.wine but i tarball it
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16:43<Supaplex>fxiny: that's smarter than rm, like far too many people pitfall into.
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16:43<fxiny>Supaplex: anyway scponly needs a dev to work , i prefere mysecureshell
16:44<nowhereman>fxiny: better yet, use mercurial, bazaar or git
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16:44<fxiny>nowhereman: git ! i was thinking about it todady :)
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16:45<nowhereman>I use mercurial myself for all conf dirs where I have a problem
16:46<fxiny>Supaplex: scponly dos not work with winblow winscp out of the box : mkdir /home/username/dev && mknod -m 666 /home/username/dev/null c 1 3
16:47<fxiny>Supaplex: but is not possible in a vserver
16:47<fxiny>don't know why (yet)
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16:48<fxiny>i want to keep windows users in a little dirty "cage" , not letting them browsing around
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16:50<fxiny>so i've checked that mysecureshell , sources and unofficial deb . it works , don't know if is secure
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16:50<Supaplex>dpkg: etch key
16:50<dpkg># apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update
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16:55<fxiny>Supaplex: you sticking wine in a vserver ?
16:55<Supaplex>Lou: eg like 68, bare metal install of etch.
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16:57<fxiny>Supaplex: i f* happy with bitlbee in it
16:59<Supaplex>it'd be so nice if I could export devices I want into a vserver guest. then I could play with experimental cups drivers w/o leaving cruft all around :P
16:59<fxiny>devices ? it refused to make that dev : i cp ove from the real one
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17:00<fxiny>and i was root !
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17:00<Supaplex>fxiny: you should avoid that from the host. it's part of the guest security
17:00<Supaplex>if you want a guest to have raw access, you can create the device nodes in the guest dev directory from the host.
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17:01[~]Supaplex neglected /home in the etch-winehq guest. humm
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17:02<fxiny>Supaplex: i was thginking about coming from the /var/lib . but then what for ? scponly let windows users browsing the jail
17:03<fxiny>Supaplex: try mv ~/.wine in a dir an mount it over :)
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17:03<fxiny>why reinstalling it ?
17:04<fxiny>nahh , i'm wrong : it should not work
17:04<fxiny>it should ...
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17:04<fxiny>tomorrow i'l try mine
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17:06<Supaplex>humm.. maybe I should TERM=dumb and redo that.
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17:07<Supaplex>fxiny: I might have some goofus backport. that's why I dropped it into a vserver
17:08<Supaplex>fxiny: should be more readable. :)
17:08<fxiny>Supaplex: tomorrow i'll try my version (0.0.20041019-1) , i need to find it
17:09<fxiny>Supaplex: more readable ? hahaha the first one looks like a blackhole scan ! :)
17:10<Supaplex>the firstone is more readable if you run GET :)
17:10<fxiny>Supaplex: btw : whre's the armada ? in a vserver ?
17:10<Supaplex>that's the host
17:10<fxiny>the host ?
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17:10<Supaplex>yes, my desktop
17:11<fxiny>i'm gonna mv apache in a vserver when i finish with squid
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17:11<themill>Are you guys having wine+etch problems?
17:11<fxiny>Supaplex: i just set planner-el up , i need a weekend and some beer :)
17:11<Supaplex>I am, but it may be related to some backports I made or imported etc.
17:11<themill>ahh... sounds fun :)
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17:12<themill>Don't tell anyone else, but the winehq packages for dapper seem to work quite nicely under etch... I've been using: deb dapper main
17:12<fxiny>yes ?
17:13<themill>they're offering 0.9.47 which has a *lot* of improvements over the 0.9.25 in etch
17:13<fxiny>i'll check it up cause i'm fed up with my 2004 version , i'm too lazy
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17:14<fxiny>going through all the f* dll was a nightmare . i've done it long ago and i would *love* to avoid it
17:14<themill>fxiny: yeah, there will be a lot of changes there, but you might find that you need to move your wine profile out of the way. The native dlls are much better now, you tend not to need to do much frigging any more.
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17:15<fxiny>themill: i keep a tarball at hand :)
17:15<tinctorius>Is it normal for -dbg packages to contain binaries with text relocations?
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17:15<Supaplex>wow, it's very busticated in my pristine install :(
17:16<themill>fxiny: Actually, I forked over for a copy of crossover for my wife's computer. She's new to linux and isn't going to want to stuff around with that sort rubbish and I don't have the time and interest in messing with them either. I've been impressed by it.
17:16<tinctorius>Because iceweasel-dbg and libc6-dbg contain binaries with text relocations
17:16<tinctorius>is this worth a bugreport?
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17:16<tinctorius>or am I overlooking some policy concerning debugability?
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17:17<fxiny>themill: crossover ? i think there are debs for it , i had a go with they're demo long ago and put my "special google" on ;)
17:18<fxiny>i could not breathe : every dll was like a pot of beans
17:18<oz__>apt-get says 'ldconfig deferred processing now taking place' - is something wrong ?
17:19<oz__>how can I stop this warning ?
17:19<themill>fxiny: cxoffice comes as a self-extracting .sh archive that you can install in your $HOME. I didn't see any debs for it, but I was happy with that method. Pretty much everything has just worked, including a pile of quite obscure apps that we use for work.
17:20<fxiny>Supaplex: armada2 is more readable indeed :)
17:20<Supaplex> :(
17:21<fxiny>themill: i'm sure there are debs around , i think they were floating on a river ...
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17:21<fxiny>number 3 ?
17:21<fxiny>Supaplex: chanel got it right at number 5 ;)
17:22<fxiny>themill: oh yes it works : codeweavers are pretty smart ppl
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17:27<Supaplex>fxiny: I think this might have something to do with glx
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17:27<nexx_>arg im getting I/O errors on my big HDD
17:28<nexx_>500 giger
17:28<nexx_>i really really really hope my disk isn't screwed
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17:28[~]Supaplex sings ~ I/O, I/O, it's off the disk I go ~
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17:29<nexx_>does ckfs have a good history for fixing I/O errors?
17:30<nexx_>or fsck
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17:31<fxiny>themill: i think i found it on my cdcat db : it reads CrossOver:Office:professional-3.0.1-Debian.rar , looking for dvd to open the rar
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17:32<themill>fxiny: that's a pretty ancient cxoffice. Current is 6.2.0
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17:32<fxiny>themill: yes ? so must be another one cause i've checked it on etch
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17:33<fxiny>themill: oh yes : that is a sarge one
17:33<Supaplex>nexx_: it's negligable if you have hardware issues. try isolating that first
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17:34<themill>fxiny: it will install, it's just a pretty ancient cxoffice... and wine/cxoffice is the sort of thing that's improving rapidly, so newer is shinier and better :)
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17:35<kop_>Is there another program like xmore, but with decent scroll bars and the like?
17:36<nexx_>Supaplex: k, its on a usb NAS drive so i think i'll just try a power sycle on the hdd
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17:36<nexx_>if that doesn't work then i guess its a good time to start backing up the files :'(
17:36<fxiny>themill: that one above is a sarge one , i'm looking into etch dvd catalog
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17:37[~]themill hasn't used xmore for a very very very long time....
17:38<kop_>themill: There's gotta be something. I could use dialog and a terminal but, *ugh*.
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17:38<themill>kop_: what are you trying to do?
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17:38<FEZ>i dont now
17:39<FEZ>i am lerning linux
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17:39<kop_>themill: Take some text on stdin and put it in an X window with scroll bars and a way to kill the window. (A simple click on the kill widget in the title bar is fine.)
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17:40<themill>kop_: kdialog can do that for you
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17:41<themill>kop_: there's probably a gtk version too if you prefer.
17:42<kop_>themill: Ah, that was the word to search for "dialog". Maybe whiptail....
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17:43<themill> kdialog --textbox /path/to/input/file 400 400
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17:48<kop_>themill: That works. Thanks.
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17:51<steff4814>Jetzt gehts ohne Probleme. Blöder Nautilus, auf sowas muss man erstmal kommen. Vielen Dank für eure Geduld
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17:52<steff4814>lol wrong server sry
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17:53<themill>heh... someone's not a nautilus fan....
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17:54<kop_>themill: Humm. Works fine in a shell window, but not when I type the command into a launcher in gnome to make an icon. Maybe the launcher does not run bash? I'm using input file redirection. <(foo)
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17:54<smartchecker>hi all
17:56<themill>the launcher generally doesn't do shell things like that... Generally, it's easiest to stick it in a shell script and call it from the launch icon.
17:56<themill>kop_: btw are you using kdialog for that or whiptail?
17:56<kop_>themill: kdialog
17:56<smartchecker>can anybody tell me what happens with io_ti.ko in linux-image-2.6.22-2-686?
17:56<themill>kop_: does kdialog do reading from stdin?
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17:57<kop_>themill: Dunno. I tried it in the launcher and it didn't work.
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17:57<themill>I didn't think it did, which is why I was asking.... time for a temp file ;)
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17:58<kop_>themill: This works: kdialog --textbox /dev/stdin 700 400, but not in the launcher. I need to make sure I can get _anything_ to work in the launcher....
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18:00<smartchecker>can anybody tell me what happens with io_ti.ko in linux-image-2.6.22-2-686?
18:01<themill>kop_: this works under kde: echo foo | kdialog --textbox /dev/stdin 700 400
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18:01<themill>kop_: i.e. in the command= line for an icon
18:02<kop_>themill: Yeah. That's what I tried under gnome. I need a test to see if anything works.... Hang on.
18:02<themill>smartchecker: what about it? (I've never heard of it before, but you need to tell us more)
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18:04<cachebox>hey.. my port 8080 is in use by a http-proxy protocol according to nmap. How can I figure out what program that uses it? I tried ps -aux but there was no program refering to it
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18:05<themill>netstat -ntap | grep 8080
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18:05<kop_>themill: Nope, can't get stdin to work. Although I can make a file come up. Oh well. (Gnome is always in my way, although it might not be it's fault this time.)
18:05<kop_>cachebox: lsof
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18:06<cachebox>kop_: ty :) I'll write that down
18:06<themill>kop_: sounds like it probably is ;) You could just stick all your script into a shell script and then it will work out better.
18:08<tinctorius>Is it normal for -dbg packages to contain binaries with text relocations?
18:08[~]tinctorius tries again :P
18:08<kop_>themill: Done. I just hate having to write wrappers.
18:08<Supaplex>foolano: well no idea. anyway,
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18:09<Supaplex>foolano: misdirect, nm.
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18:09<themill>kop_: true... I hate having to deal with some strange quoting syntax within a file, and I prefer to see some whitespace around the script. Oneliners that should be two pages long aren't that fun!
18:09<foolano>Supaplex: np :)
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18:12<rob__>Does anyone here use ubuntu
18:12<qbit>nope .. debian :)
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18:13<qbit>try #ubuntu
18:13<rob__>cool thank you very much
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18:15<kop_>My /etc/logrotate.d/ has nothing that rotates /var/log/mail.log. Is there a package that rotates the mail logs or do I need to manually make an entry?
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18:20<dkr>kop_: good question. maybe it rotates all the stuff in /var/log by default?
18:21<kop_>dkr: Not according to /var/log/logrotate.conf. I'm not rotating /var/log/messages either. I think I must be missing some important package....
18:22<dkr>I don't have an entry for them in logrotate.conf btu they do get rotated
18:22<dkr>(nor in logrotate.d)
18:22<dkr>The syslog package, by default, will
18:22<dkr># rotate standard log files based upon various critera !!!
18:22<dkr>ah, syslog is the one doing it
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18:25<kop_>dkr: Where does syslog do it? I don't have a syslog in logrotate.d.
18:25<dkr>kop_: it doesn't tel logrotate to do it, it rotates them itself
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18:26<kop_>dkr: Under control of what file?
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18:28<kop_>dkr: I've sysklogd installed for my syslog.
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18:29<dkr>yeah, that's the issue then, syslogd rotates the files it is logging to, since you aren't running it you need to add the entries to logrotate yoursel
18:29<kop_>dkr: What package are you running that has syslogd?
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18:29<dkr>sendmail even provides the right file in logrotate.d with all the entires commented out saying only use this if you don't have syslogd rotating them by default
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18:30<kop_>dkr: I'm running postfix.
18:30<dkr>oh, the package is sysklogd
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18:31<kop_>dkr: Well, I've got sysklogd. What are you looking at that says it rotates, because I can't find anything.
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18:35<kop_>dkr: I think it's logrotate rotating things by default, but because my box is not always on cron is not always running logrotate. Maybe I need anancron....
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18:35<dkr>kop_: that text I pasted was from logrotate.d/sendmail
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18:36<kop_>dkr: Ok. Thanks.
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18:42<dpkg>Test Failed.
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18:43<kingsley>Is there an easy way to register new .ttf font files with X so that compatible applicationscan use them?
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18:44<Golfgeo>Hi all
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18:44<themill>kingsley: if you use KDE, do it through KControlCentre. there's probably a gnomish version of that too
18:44<themill>kingsley: you may need to restart apps to actually see the font though
18:45<Golfgeo>A quick question, what Linux client supports MSN and has a win XP version too? And supports webcams under both?
18:45<kingsley>themill: Will that work for non KDE applications?
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18:47<themill>kingsley: yes. it works for openoffice org (it copies the font into ~/.fonts and registers the font with fontconfig... you can do these steps using command line tools too if you know what they are ;)
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18:49<miglo>hi all - do someone know for what the "type1" module of the xserver is good for?
18:50<miglo>i am asking because it is not found by the system
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18:51<themill>miglo: displaying Type1 fonts. You probably don't use that as you'll be using truetype fonts
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18:52<miglo>themill: so it's not necessary trying to load this module, right?
18:53<kingsley>themill: I have fontconfig installed. Do you happen to know which command line tools to use, and how to use them?
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18:54<themill>kingsley: copy the ttf file to ~/.fonts/ and run fc-cache.... I think ;)
18:54<themill>kingsley: check the man page for that ;)
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18:54<miglo>i have the problem that after a login the entire system freezes - now, i am looking for any suspicious log entry
18:55<kingsley>themill: Thanks.
18:55<themill>miglo: ahh... that shouldn't be a problem though. That's in the Xorg.0.log?
18:55<themill>kingsley: np
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18:56<miglo>themill: yes -> "(EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)"
18:57<miglo>i don't know what causing this :-(
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18:58<miglo>it happens sporadically
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18:58<miglo>means, not always after each login
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18:58<RudyValencia>Hi, how do I properly setup SMTP and IMAP in Debian etch, so that I'm not blacklisted for having an open SMTP relay?
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18:59<RudyValencia>I've checked my IP address, it's a non-residential static IP, and it is not on blacklists.
18:59<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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18:59<petemc>or use postfix
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19:00<petemc>i use dovecot for pop3/imap
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19:00<RudyValencia>But will using the exim4-config "wizard" set it up securely?
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19:01<petemc>provided you answer the questions intelligently
19:01<petemc>its not hard
19:01<RudyValencia>And will it be compatible for PHP mail()?
19:01<themill>miglo: hmmm... that's a bit more unusual. But that should be generated on X startup not on login.
19:01<RudyValencia>Is there aanything that I can read to guide me through a proper email setup?
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19:02[~]themill has rather dim views on PHP's mail()....
19:02<petemc>!mail tutorial
19:02<dpkg>hmm... mail tutorial is at
19:02<petemc>exim has lots of documentation, tho its really only useful as a reference, its not a how to
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19:03<kingsley>Which is better: defoma or fc-cache?
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19:07<RudyValencia>hm, that just explains stuff about how it works.
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19:08<RudyValencia>What I need is a good howto
19:08<RudyValencia>Google returns all kinds of outdated stuff
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19:44<bad_code>Can someone here help with a compiz question?
19:44<Linunatico>hay vida aki?
19:44<trueno>Hi! I am trying to upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 but I get an error (kernel panic) at boot: mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: Invalid argument run-init...
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19:45<trueno>nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty
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20:15<Aleric>Does debian have a video editting application?
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20:23<Breeder>i'm trying to use udev with my 2 usb external hdd's, i have this rule ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="WDC_WD32_WD-WCAPD119_888888D88CA8-0:0", SYMLINK+="cinza%n" but it isn't working, any idea why?
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20:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:28<themill>Hi Cr3iKon
20:28<Cr3iKon>i am searching a perrson for help-me with a portal of GNU/Linux
20:29<Cr3iKon>i am searching one person for one distribution, for example: abach for Ubuntu, agney for Debian, alaric for Feedora.
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20:29<Cr3iKon>They understanme ?
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20:33<rooti>mmm question..
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20:34<rooti>i want to create a new mirror, but the anonftpsync give me this error touch: cannot touch `debian//': No such file or directory
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21:21<JoeyAdams>Does anybody know how I can extract the ROM from my iBook G3 either with Debian Etch or Mac OS 9? I want to use it in SheepShaver on the iBook G3 in Linux, so it's legal.
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21:22<dondelelcaro>JoeyAdams: extract rom?
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21:22<JoeyAdams>Yes, Macintoshes have ROM images, and SheepShaver requires one to run (I have one already, I'm just thinking the one in my iBook will be better)
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21:23<dondelelcaro>oh, there's no need to extract it
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21:23<dondelelcaro>since system 9 the rom is just a file in the system folder
21:23<dondelelcaro>(possibly even system 8)
21:24<JoeyAdams>Maybe. I'll try that one. Thanks for reminding me.
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21:32<JoeyAdams>dondelelcaro > The Mac OS 9 ROM type isn't supported in SheepShaver :( I guess I'll have to use the Mac OS 8 one
21:32<dondelelcaro>dunno, I've not used sheepshaver
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21:33<dondelelcaro>JoeyAdams: but frankly, you'll almost certainly have better luck using mol instead of sheepshaver.
21:33<dondelelcaro>or at least, I strongly suspect that you will
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21:34<JoeyAdams>I've never even heard of mol; I ought to look into that
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21:37<JoeyAdams>I wonder why I can't find the mol (Mac-On-Linux) homepage
21:38<JoeyAdams>Ah, I found it :)
21:38<JoeyAdams>Thanks anyway
21:38<JoeyAdams>I just had to go to Wikipedia :)
21:39[~]RudyValencia wishes it weren't PPC-only :(
21:39<dondelelcaro>you can aptitude install mol;
21:40<JoeyAdams>I already have it installed
21:40<RudyValencia>i'd still have to use basilisk or sheepshaver
21:40<RudyValencia>(x86 here :/)
21:40<dondelelcaro>well, most of that is because it's not an emulator at all
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21:48<JoeyAdams>Now I need to figure out how to use mol :) I got it installed, how do I tell startmol what image files to use?
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21:49<JoeyAdams>I guess I configure a molrc.macos
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21:49<dondelelcaro>(or perhaps gettext)
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21:58<JoeyAdams>Well, I configured mol (Mac-On-Linux emulator), but when I run it, it spews a bunch of "could not open" and "can not read" errors
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21:58<JoeyAdams>things such as drivers/scsi.nw
21:58<JoeyAdams>it fails at "Fatal error: opening drivers/openbios: No such file or directory"
21:59<JoeyAdams>Even though I configured it to boot from a Mac OS 9 CD image, and that CD image has a Mac OS ROM it's supposed to use by default
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22:17<drakode> Nueva web sobre LINUX, Manuales, Guias, FAQ's, etc
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22:18<drakode_> is a new web site of LINUX, FAQ's, Guide, and more.
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22:19<drakode_> is a new web site of LINUX, FAQ's, Guide, and more.
22:19<drakode_> A NEW WEB SITE OF LINUX
22:20<drakode_>New Web on LINUX, manuals, guides, FAQs, etc
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22:37<Concrete>apt "etch-backports"
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22:40<Concrete>hello does anybody know how to pin to something?
22:41<Concrete>i need to pin fuser-utils withouth upgrading the rest otherwise it can be a mess
22:44<chealer>Concrete: you don't need to pin stuff which is already at the newest version available in your sources, just stuff which is below.
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22:45<chealer>!tell Concrete about pinning
22:46<Concrete>i edited the source.list and entered etch-backports/updates to the links
22:46<Concrete>but when i will update it it will update everything with it,
22:47<Concrete>so shouldn't i pin towards fuser-utils?
22:47<chealer>Concrete: no, nothing should be upgraded by default.
22:48<Concrete>i have a version problem so that's why i need to do this (fuse 2.6 not found, trying to fix that problem) it's a version problem
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22:50<Concrete>ok so can i just update with apt-get what i just mentioned before about etch-backports? or do i have to do something first
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22:50<chealer>Concrete: yes. it will ask you to confirm anyway.
22:51<Concrete>!tell concrete how to use bacports
22:51<Concrete>!tell how to use backports
22:51<Concrete>uhm ok
22:51<chealer>!tell Concrete about selftell
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22:52<Concrete>ok can i use this command? apt-get install build-essential?
22:53<chealer>Concrete: why not?
22:53<Concrete>ok i am a wannabe so i am very unsure about most of the things
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22:57<Concrete>somehow i got a directory issue now
22:58<Concrete>it can't stat and with apt-get update it can't fetch the updated directory so basically i am stuck
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23:16<Concrete>i found some information about packages on a link but i found it hard to do it myself
23:17<Concrete>i just need a stable link for backports url but where is it
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23:18<Concrete>i found a possible solution
23:25<Concrete>i tried this instruction of backports and i couldnt get it working in my computer it fetched a small data piece i am working with apt-get -t etch-backports install fuser-utils (which didn't work) and then apt-get update which worked a little bit
23:25<Concrete>any suggestion?
23:26<Concrete>it came from
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23:38<chealer>!tell Concrete about didn't work
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23:44<Concrete>it worked
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23:58<user01>im having difficulty getting flash disks and dvds to mount
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23:59<user01>it would be mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd right?
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