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00:01<kaxi>i've got a battery that is "53% charged" and when i plug in the AC won't go into charging mode, even though it recognizes the battery is in and AC is in.
00:02<kaxi>this is the first time i have experienced this problem, i have run linux on it since i bought the laptop 2 yrs ago.
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00:02<kaxi>any ideas?
00:03<dli>kaxi, you don't have to worry, most likely the battery capacity is 53% after 2 years
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00:04<kaxi>dli, well, it has charged to 99% or 100% until this past week.
00:06<kaxi>it was 54%, i left it unplugged for a minuet to let the battery drain, and then plugged it back in. didn't even charge back up to 54%.
00:07<kaxi>i'm concerned it might not charge back up at all.
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00:15<black_13>any users of usplash
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00:40<lubos>when I start x by X command I can see mouse piinter as a cross(X) is it possible to change it to arrow?
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01:05<import>need some help with ssh i cant connect to my remote client i tried fish://username@ip:port doesnt work in konqueror also tried ssh username@ip -p port doesnt work either
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01:05<college>who knows about TOR and is it good
01:06<kmap>college: It's good, but slow
01:06<college>SSH for the web?
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01:07<kmap>college: Not sure, but tor works, but is pretty slow
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01:08<college>tor is slow is there something better out. i herd that you can hop on starbucks with that
01:10<college>so you can get free wify
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01:32<xayon><OT> this is not a debian question I know, I've apache-perl installed and when i run a cgi (for example $a=$a+1) every time i reload the page it adds a value to a (I mean, the third reload a will be 3)
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01:34<jm_>I am not familiar with all of it, but maybe it's fastcgi doing it?
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01:36<xayon>tought apache 1.3 used cgi
01:37<xayon>well meanwhile I'll undef all the vars :-/
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01:39<jm_>yes it does
01:41<kn>anybody know if I need to do anything special using latest stable to get boot disk on lvm working? will /dev/volgrp/volname be mapped or do I need to do custom initrd etc still?
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01:42<jm_>ahh you said apache-perl, now that's a different thing
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01:45<xayon>jm_ yes :-) Because I couldn't make apache2 work correctly with perl index :(
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01:48<xayon>jm_ I didn't liked those big blogs like wp and so on so I've made my own for my page, I'ts a shit but... :P, it's 100lines using cgi (but not for everything yet) and part of the content (static part of the menu and so on) is in the html (like config and options) and for the menu... well ls -1 makes the work :)
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02:01<xayon>Well... Why apache-perl tryes to exec a cascade stylesheet file (and everything else, it don't allow to download or open anything that not have exec permissions)
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02:04<simonrvn>xayon: you could a <Files "yourcgiscript">\n\tSetHandler cgi-script\n</Files> and anything else you can do <FilesMatch "some regex matching the other stuff"> SetHandler someotherthing</FilesMatch>
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02:05<simonrvn>or set the mimetype for them, so apache will know what to do... you're probably better off either configuring your cgi bin dir. differently, or moving the files out of the way
02:06<xayon>simonrvn, I've just seen my httpd.conf file, sorry it was my fault (was using / for perl handligh stuff :()
02:07<simonrvn>i usually split out cgi and public non-script files in different dirs
02:08<simonrvn>you might want to consider migrating to v2, too
02:09<xayon>simonrvn, And when I read a file with the cgi... what's its path I sould use?
02:09<simonrvn>wherever you put them ;)
02:10<xayon>So I can still read /var/www/whatever with the script, it's not something like enjailed?
02:10<simonrvn>depends on how you set up your script, how you want to treat the to-be-processed files, etc.
02:11<simonrvn>that depends on how you've set up your vhost
02:11<xayon>Well, I think I can, thanks a lot :)
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02:27<hakete>hello...someone who know where the swedish ubuntu chanel is?
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02:32<helmut>Has anyone observed problems with liferea reading planet.d.o? Recently posts seem to often get marked as unread. I remember being presented some posts more than five times.
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02:33<helmut>(This doesn't seem to happen to other feeds.)
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02:35<jm_>I use their web interface to read it, haven't noticed anything unusual there (granted, I only check it once a day)
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02:39<helmut>ooops I forgot to mention an important detail: unstable
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02:40<helmut>(liferea received quite some updates recently and seemed to get a bit less stable [for instance loosing-posts-on-upgrade-bug])
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03:09<hakete>what is the comando to write to install Emeral?
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03:11<chealer>hakete: what's Emeral?
03:11<jm_>probably emerald
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03:13<hakete>yes emerald I mean
03:14<hakete>I didnt sleeped so mutch tonight:S
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03:32<xayon>hakete I haven't sleeped anything tonight... nor yesterday's night :D
03:33<xayon>Ups, he left before i could send the message
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04:40<kenny>hey guys.. i'm running 4.0r1 on an old mac ppc platform.. and i'm trying to install java jdk now.. i just can figure out how to.. is there no ppc package?
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04:44<jm_>arch list for sun-jaav5-jdk says: amd64 i386
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04:45<kenny>it seems i have to install IBM jdk
04:45<kenny>or blackdown
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04:48<padski>kenny: I use the ibm java
04:48<kenny>but there is no way to instlal that with apt i guess?
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04:49<padski>there used to be, but I think now you have to sign up for some ibm account before you can access the download
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04:50<kenny>padski: yep.. i just did.. i'm not sure exactly which one to download though.. they don't say anything about platforms.. they are just divided into IBM models
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04:51<kenny>padski: would you recommend me getting the rpm or the tar?
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04:52<padski>kenny: I'm sorry, it is over a year since I did my install
04:52<kenny>padski: ok.. thanks anyway.. i think i can figure it out with help from google :)
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04:53<padski>kenny: there was a package that used to grab the ibm package and put it in a deb. might help. there was a post on d-d (maybe) not so long ago about this.
04:54<kenny>padski: ok.. thanks
04:54<jm_>like java-package used on x86?
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05:00<DimGR>i get this error can someone help ?
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05:02<padski>jm_: yes, looks like java-package is the thing to use even on powerpc
05:02<padski>kenny: IIUC, looks like java-package is the thing to use even on powerpc, see
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05:03<jm_>.url 16
05:03<padski>must have a look at that on mine tonight :-)
05:03<kenny>padski: yeah.. i read that page
05:03<padski>kenny: any good ?
05:03<kenny>padski: i'm fairly new to linux though, so it does take me some time to figure stuff out :)
05:04<kenny>i'm trying another way right now, i'll let you know if it works..
05:04<padski>kenny: if those instructions work, then that looks like the ideal way to use the ibm java.
05:04<kenny>padski: ok
05:09<kenny>well.. i can't find any .bin of the ibm package
05:10<kenny>that might cause a problem here
05:12<padski>DimGR: any idea why you are seeing those segfaults ?
05:12<DimGR>no idea
05:12<DimGR>i did apt-get install fakeroot
05:13<DimGR>and this happened
05:13<DimGR>dpkg is borked now
05:17<DimGR>anything i can do ... ?
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05:26<kenny>i'm tearing my ears off soon
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05:28<pleb2>Morning all :), im having problems installing debian, i get most of the way through the setup, i get to the "select and install hardware bit" i choose the default which is "base + desktop environment" i believe. then i press continue and it says "SELECT AND INSTALL SOFTWARE, 5% Please wait..." and it sits on 5% forever :( any ideas?
05:28<jm_>!5% error
05:28<dpkg>5% error is probably d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, Since etch has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from which would not have this problem
05:29<pleb2>@ jm_ Thanks :)
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05:32<pleb2>I did download the latest debian current version from the server, should my version not be the "fixed" version>
05:32<jm_>pleb2: where did you download it from?
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05:33<jm_>pleb2: that should indeed be OK
05:34<pleb2>:\ .. ive never had this problem installing before
05:34<pleb2>i could try a really old etch disk i have??
05:34<jm_>maybe check status on other consoles
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05:36<pleb2>jm_ how?
05:36<jm_>pleb2: well switch to them, read what it says on screen (alt-f2 is shell where you can check for running processes etc.)
05:37<jm_>you'll see installer output on tty4
05:37<pleb2>jm_ okay i will try the output when the error is thrown up, let me run through the setup again#
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05:45<kenny>padski: well.. i'm trying that page you sent me the url for.. isn't working too good.. make-jpkg doesn't seem to recongize something and says that it cant load a plugin
05:45<fabio>machine virtual
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05:47<fabio>yes I do
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05:55<cic1>I am using Debian Etch. uname -a -> Linux andromeda 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux. I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. The first line of the output is:- The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 - Why is it not upgrading linux-image?
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05:56<weasel>cic1: use dist-upgrade.
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05:56<cic1>weasel: what is the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade?
05:56<lolodebian>Hello ! does someone know about webalizer and crons ? thanks !
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05:58<weasel>cic1: it's documented in the manpage.
05:58<padski>kenny: I'm faily certain mine is installed in /usr/local/ but only through laziness :-)
05:58<weasel>cic1: please read the part about dist-upgrade.
05:58<cic1>weasel: which man page should I read, apt-get or aptitude?
05:59<pleb2>jm_ ive got the message if your still there??
05:59<weasel>cic1: probably doesn't matter
05:59<kenny>padski: the problem isn't with the make-jpkg itself, but i think it doesn't regognize the tgz-file and don't knpow how to build the deb package
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06:00<pleb2>jm_: This might be an error to report to the boffins at debian, im getting on ttl 4 a question asking if i want to ignore a warning about open office and proceed anyway. i imagine it isnt signed or something????
06:00<padski>kenny: sadly, this is ringing a bell
06:01<jm_>pleb2: where is the package coming form?
06:01<pleb2>the cd, to make sure apt doesnt have any issues with internet ive told it to not bother with a network mirror at the moment
06:01<jm_>pleb2: hmm might be worth checking BTS
06:02<pleb2>jm_ BTS????
06:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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06:05<_spOOn_>does anyone here use windows and linux in a corporate environment?
06:05<_spOOn_>am trying to setup a single point of authentication
06:06<cico>_spOOn_: yes
06:06<_spOOn_>have got samba setup as pdc, and windows clients authenticate to it, but am not sure what the best/most secure way of getting linux clients to authenticate to a pdc would be?
06:07<_spOOn_>i have read stuff about using nis/pam modules, but this seems a little messy
06:07<_spOOn_>windows/samba side is all good, just not sure the best way to attach the linux clients to the pdc
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06:38<duke>i have problem while starting snmptrapd
06:39<duke>when i try to start it i see in syslog the followin
06:39<duke>Nov 6 16:30:18 sashad snmptrapd[2293]: NET-SNMP version 5.4.1
06:39<duke>Nov 6 16:30:18 sashad snmptrapd[2293]: couldn't open -- errno 98 ("Address already in use")
06:39<duke>but there is no process that uses 162 socket
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06:42<duke>hello ((
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06:44<Kebianizao>since some time, I need to do altgr-4 space to get the ~, when before I just needed altgr-4
06:44<Kebianizao>why could this be?
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07:24<Br01>hi all
07:25<duke>can you help me?
07:25<Br01>hi all
07:25<duke>with snmptrapd
07:25<Br01>i run a shell
07:25<Br01>and i like to modify the right of some user
07:26<Br01>besaue they can read all follder
07:26<Br01>of others
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07:26<jm_>Br01: you can specify how home dirs are created in adduser config file
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07:27<Cryx>Anyone familiar with mediawiki skins ?
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07:28<Br01>jm_, how can i view this config file
07:28<jm_>Br01: with an editor
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07:29<Kebianizao>Br01: look for the name in the man page and then edit it
07:29<jm_>indeed, "man adduser" to find out where it is
07:29<Br01>where i can found it the config file
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07:31<pleb2>jm_ any ideas where i can get a copy of the disk which isnt broken??
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07:32<jm_>pleb2: not really -- but you have a workaround
07:32<Br01>is that /etc/adduser.conf
07:32<pleb2>jm_: what is the workaround?
07:32<Br01>so after
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07:34<bio_>hi, what would be the best way, to automatically backup (/dev/shm) krb-keytabs, puppetkeys, etc. when installing a system with preseeding? early_command is too early .. no access to the disks
07:34<jm_>pleb2: what dpkg told you about allow unauthenticated
07:34<bio_>oh sorry, wrong channel
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07:37<Kebianizao>I'll ask again since now this seems more active...
07:37<Kebianizao>since some time, I need to do altgr-4 space to get the ~, when before I just needed altgr-4
07:37<Kebianizao>why could this be?
07:38<petemc>your keymap?
07:38<Kebianizao>keymap is the same as before and moreover this happens either on X and on text terminal
07:39<Br01>how to configure the shell, user can read/write only in their deirectory
07:39<Kebianizao>at least I haven't changed it
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07:39<pleb2>jm_ so where do i put those options, where it says "Press f1 for help or enter to boot:" what do i type?>
07:39<pleb2>!5% error
07:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from which would not have this problem.
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07:39<jm_>pleb2: yeah at boot prompt
07:40<petemc>Br01: you need to do something like chroot them into their home dir or use rbash or similar, its a lot of effort for very little gain
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07:40<pleb2>press f1 for help, or enter to boot:linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true
07:40<pleb2>jm_ like that?
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07:40<jm_>Br01: change permissions of home dirs to 700
07:40<jm_>pleb2: yes
07:40<Br01>would you like help me petemc ?
07:41<petemc>seems jm_ would tho
07:41<petemc>Br01: what benefits do you expect from doing what you describe?
07:42<Br01>the shell is in my home
07:42<Br01>and i don't like my friend who have acces in it
07:42<Br01>view my files
07:42<petemc>oh, see what jm_ saud
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07:42<Br01>how i can change the permision
07:43|-|mode/#debian [+l 299] by debhelper
07:43<dpkg>If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <Permissions>
07:44<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
07:45<dpkg>For stable/sarge: and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot.
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07:45<jm_>please /msg the bot
07:45<bio_>sure. sorry
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07:46<cico> I was doing "aptitude upgrade" and the internet connection broke in between and the upgrade stop. Now how can I resume from where I stopped?
07:46<jm_>did it stop when downloading packages?
07:46<Kebianizao>cico: doing upgrade again probably
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07:46<cico>yes, while it was doing Get:1, Get:2, etc.
07:46<bio_>wouldnt matter otherwise, would it? :)
07:46<jm_>just run it again
07:47<cico>with apt-get there is a --fix-missing to download only the remaining packages, isn't there a similar option in aptitude?
07:47<jm_>indeed, but wanted to be sure he didn't interrupt it later
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07:47<cico>jm_: what could go wrong if I had interrupted it later.
07:48<jm_>cico: all sorts of stuff if you do it when packages are being installed/configured
07:48<pleb2>cico: i think he means cancelling apt, the internet connection being removed during the install phase wont make a differnce i think
07:48<cico>once I was doing apt-get update and I got this error:- Err stable/main desktop-base 4.0.1etch2
07:48<cico> 502 Proxy Error ( Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. )
07:49<cico>But I had enough space on my hard disk. so why such an error?
07:49<cico>pleb2: right!
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07:49<Kebianizao>cico: seems you were using a proxy
07:49<pleb2>cico: sounds like a problem with your proxy cache running out of disk space to download the files before it sent them to you
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07:49<cico>Kebianizao: ok
07:50<pleb2>jm_ the install is continuing with the work around :) thanks for your help
07:51<jm_>pleb2: no worries
07:52<gabriele>this is the debian help channel?
07:52<pleb2>yep yep :)
07:53<pleb2>ask awayy
07:53<iamtravis>so, anybody here ever beaten the klotski puzzle with the horizontal bar and 3 vertical bars?
07:53<gabriele>i'm new, sorry
07:53<cico>are there debian developers also in this channel?
07:53<Kebianizao>cico: why do you want to know?
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07:53<cico>Kebianizao: I like Debian a lot and I would like to start contributing to Debian in any manner possible, maybe small patches to begin with.
07:54<gabriele>i've trouble with my wireless card Atheros ar5007eg
07:54<Kebianizao>cico: maybe #debian-mentors is your channel
07:55<gabriele>can u help me?
07:55<pleb2>gabriele: whats the problem with your wireless card?
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07:55<gabriele>debian dont see the card
07:56<pleb2>gambriele :\, it looks like its supported : but i wouldnt know how to help you, as im new to linux myself :\ sorry
07:56<dpkg>hmm... madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. #madwifi @
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07:57<jm_>try that
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07:57<jm_>!tell gabriele -about madwifi-install
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07:59<gabriele>i'm seeng the links
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07:59<pleb2>gabriele: it should have opend a private message window telling you about the wifi install :)#
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08:45<cico>I am doing a dist-upgrade, apt-get says it will upgrade 762 and remove 11 packages. it will remove linux-kernel-headers too. Why does it have to remove linux-kernel-headers? I need it.
08:49<paulliu>cico, there are new version of linux-kernel, so you should install new version instead
08:49<cico>paulliu: yes, the linux kernel is about to be upgraded, how can I install the new linux-kernel-headers using apt-get once the upgrade is complete?
08:50<paulliu>cico, try search linux-headers-*
08:50<cico>paulliu: ok
08:50<paulliu>cico, linux-kernel-headers is a virtual package now..
08:50<cico>paulliu: oh! so once the upgrade is complete, should I separately install linux-kernel-`uname -r` ?
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08:52<paulliu>cico, yes.. And I suggest that you should not let it to remove your current kernel.
08:52<cico>paulliu: why?
08:53<paulliu>cico, To upgrade kernel, you should install the new one first, and then reboot with the new one, and then remove the old one.
08:54<cico>paulliu: I am posting the relevant packages only in the apt-get dist-upgrade output.
08:54<cico>The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
08:54<cico>The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6-686
08:54<paulliu>cico, ok, then that's fine..
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08:54<cico>It says nothing about linux kernel in REMOVE section, only that it will remove linux-kernel-headers.
08:54<paulliu>cico, upgrade is fine..
08:55<cico>paulliu: my current kernel version is: 2.6.18-4-686, how come there are two kernels mentioned, one in the upgrade and one in the installed section.
08:55<cico>I was expecting only one kernel to be present in the upgrade section.
08:56<paulliu>just reboot with the new one and remove the old one..
08:56<cico>yes, my question is why two kernels are going to be downloaded?
08:56<cico>install: image-2.6.22-2-686 upgrade: linux-image-2.6-686 ?
08:57<paulliu>linux-image-2.6-686 is depends on image-2.6.22-2-686
08:57<jm_>one's a meta package IIRC
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08:57<cico>why is dependent meta package required?
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08:57<cico>why not just 2.6.22-2-686?
08:58<paulliu>Easier for transition..
08:59<paulliu>For example, if new kernel 2.6.23 is released and packaged.. linux-image-2.6-686 will depends on the new one
08:59<paulliu>So you'll automatically installed the new one..
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08:59<paulliu>new one with "686 optimized"
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09:08<cico>ok linux-image-2.6-686 is used to manage the transistion from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22.
09:08<cico>but if in future an upgrade from 2.6 to 2.7 happens, then how will that be done?
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09:10<jm_>the same as going from 2.4 to 2.6 happened ;)
09:11<jm_>Debian developers are used to that by now
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09:12<helmut>I guess I can safely advise against upgrading to 2.7.anything unless you know what you are doing. ;-)
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09:14<azeem>cico: there will be no automatic upgrade
09:15<cico>jm_: how was the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 done?
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09:15<jm_>cico: manually - i.e. it was described in release notes for those who haven't upgraded yet at that time
09:16<cico>jm_: ok
09:17<azeem>likely 2.6 and 2.7 or 2.8 will be supported side-by-side for a while
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09:18<azeem>OTOH, it doesn't look like there will be a 2.7 anytime soon
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09:20<jm_>yeah, looks like 2.6 will easily outnumber other kernels
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09:24<Saskwach>Does anyone know where I can look to see if a given kernel version will work with nvidia drivers? I'm tired of upgrading and finding out it's broken.
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09:26<bighornram>I compiled 2.6.23 kernel in lenny new install. alsa works fine but starts muted. I remember a bug in alsa that caused this mute issue at startup but can't find info on it. Any point to how to fix?
09:26<jm_>bighornram: bug? it's a feature, not a bug
09:26<jm_>bighornram: try unmuting and setting the levels, then do 'alsactl store'
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09:27<bighornram>thanks a reboot will tell if that worked. ;)
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09:28<XTF>Hi. When installing Debian in VMware Workstation the installer frequently hangs on scanning the mirror... (60%).
09:28<XTF>Does anyone know why and how I can fix that?
09:28<rkos>hey, when you install something with wine and it goes to c:\program files etc, where does it actually go? cant find c: anywhere
09:29<ifvoid>rkos: ~/.wine/c_driver or soemthing liek that
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09:30<rkos>and wheres .wine?
09:31<XTF>In ~
09:31<XTF>Your home dir
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09:32<rkos>yeah but its not there
09:32<XTF>What does cd ~/.wine say?
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09:32<rkos>got it working now nvm
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09:33<rkos>but how do i access it on the filebrowser?
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09:36<avtobiff>rkos, make sure that your filebrowser lets you see "hidden files" (they start with a dot)
09:37<avtobiff>rkos, or make a symlink somewhere to the directory, and name it something without a starting dot
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09:55<C4986>i have an age old question, how do I install NVIDIA on debian, i was gonna try it the "debian way" but the package was gone, any other ways\
09:56<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
09:56<C4986>i tried that already, the package that they want you to install is no longer there
09:58<padski>I imagine it would be in non-free (or perhaps contrib?)
09:58<C4986>nvidia-kernel-common is gone
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09:58<padski>etch? lenny? sid ?
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10:00<m_g>hey guys
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10:00<m_g>what's the kernel module you need for mounting an external hard drive?
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10:00<m_g>via usb
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10:02<C4986>padski, then just apt-install that file?
10:03<padski>C4986: you could, but it is intended as a counter-example to 'gone'. it is not 'gone'.
10:04<padski>what error do you actually get ?
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10:07<padski>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
10:07<C4986>its not 'gone' just, renamed and relocated, just don't know where
10:07<padski>and do you have non-free in your sources ?
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10:07<m_g>other question.. how can i find out if the usb-storage module is available in my kernel?
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10:08<padski>m_g: lsmod
10:08<m_g>padski, that will tell me if it's loaded but not if it's available, no?
10:08<padski>m_g: or you mean before it is loaded ?
10:08<C4986>padski, i'm new at the obviously, can you elablorate on 'non-free in your sources'
10:09<dpkg>[sources] /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy>
10:09<padski>m_g: modprobe --dry-run
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10:10<C4986>padski, i just installed etch about 3 hours ago, didn't make any alterations to the sources
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10:10<m_g>padski, together with -v it shows me two files from /lib/modules.. so it seems to be available?
10:10<padski>C4986: I'm not certain, but I don't think non-free would be in there by default. it is 'not "in" debian' ;-)
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10:11<C4986>i really don't want to do this the "nvidia way" :S
10:11<padski>m_g: define available (hint: if it sounds like a duck ...)
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10:12<m_g>padski, uhm :) like that i can load it to attach a usb drive
10:12<padski>C4986: then add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:12<padski>m_g: did you try ?
10:12<m_g>with dry-run
10:12<padski>m_g: no, I mean with a drive ?
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10:13<m_g>no :) don't have one yet
10:13<C4986>padski, how would i go around doing that
10:13<C4986>i opened the list
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10:15<padski>C4986: it is a text file. at the end of a line, where it says "main" or "main contrib" it could say "main contrib non-free".
10:15<padski>so for me in the uk "deb etch main contrib non-free"
10:16<C4986>so right after main, put non-free
10:16<C4986>i mean contrib
10:18<mux>hi ya'll
10:18<padski>C4986: please take a look at the doco already referenced, it covers this much more clearly than I can on irc
10:18<padski>C4986: man sources.list
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10:23<mux>c4986, see
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10:23<mux>for more on contrib and non-free categories of the repos
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10:26<C4986>mux, how would i go about adding the address that padski earlier mentioned to repos list, just paste it in and save it?
10:26<petemc>man sources.list
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10:27<padski>petemc: there has to be an eaier way to do this ?
10:27<mux>c4986, yup. what editor are you using?
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10:28<padski>how bad is dselect access ?
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10:30<mux>c4986, you got it. there's lots of good info on the web about this. google it!
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10:30<rkos>how can i install flashplayer?
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10:31<chealer>rkos: install flashplugin-nonfree
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10:32<rkos>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
10:32<rkos>E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
10:33<rkos>doesent work :/
10:33<C4986>mux, correct, there is loads of information on the web about it, but there is no actual how-to for this
10:34<padski>C4986: go on then, paste your sources.list
10:34<miksuh>rkos: flashpålugin-nonfree is in the contrib repository
10:34<rkos>meaning that..?
10:34<miksuh>rkos have you activated it?
10:34<rkos>dont know, probably not?
10:34<rkos>im new to the whole thing
10:35<miksuh>tou should have something like this in your /etc/apt7sources.list
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10:35<miksuh>I'll msg mine to you
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10:36<miksuh>what matters is that keyword 'contrib' at the end of lines
10:37<miksuh>if you want to activate non-free repository too add that keyword 'non-free' too
10:37<C4986>today is just a sources.list training day
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10:38<padski>we all failed
10:38<miksuh>change the souces.list and then run: #apt-get update
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10:39<padski>reminds me of the "if operating systems were airlines" gag with the punchline "you had to do what with the seat?"
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10:44<padski>or the reviewer who wrote: 'I was warned that some of these codecs might be “bad” or “ugly.”'
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10:45<witte>hi, anyone an idea how to change the default value used for grub in /boot/grub/menu.lst? Currently every new kernel install results in pointing to hd0,5 and hda6 (old config) and not hd0,0 and sda1 (new config). /boot/grub/ is correct
10:45<padski>witte: did you read the comments in the file ?
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10:46<witte>padski: i once did, will do it again now
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10:47<stew>witte: change the #groot= line (the leading # is necessary, dont remove it). also see the #kopt= line (and surrounding comments). after you have edited those, run "update-grub" to have those values propagated
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10:48<witte>thanks stew and padski, it is indeed quite evidint, but i have overlooked those comments several times
10:48<rkos>i tried it and it says it lacks dependencies and then i do apt-get -f install and then i get some error
10:49<rkos>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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11:04<rkos>baww, the flashplayer isnt working
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11:08<witte>!tell rkos about does not work
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11:09<rkos>well yeah i did the apt-update and apt-get but then it whined about dependencies and i did the apt-get -f install or whatever and then it gave me some errors
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11:09<witte>rkos: upload the errors in a pastebin
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11:10<Saskwach>!tell saskwach about does not work
11:11<witte>!tell Saskwach about selftell
11:11<Saskwach>yeah, do that
11:11<Saskwach>not seeing anything though
11:12<witte>Saskwach: normally dpkg should send you a private message
11:12<Saskwach>I figured, that's why I tried sending it one first.
11:12<witte>rkos: you were mentioning flash did not work, but you have a wine dependency problem
11:12<miksuh>rkos: you have 64bit debian?
11:12<miksuh>afaik flash is only 32bit
11:13<rkos>uh, any other way to view flash videos?
11:13<miksuh>I think it's possible to use it somehw on 64bit linux, but i have not done it
11:13<miksuh>that mioght explain why you were no able to install it..
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11:14<witte>rkos: iirc, you can run flash in a 32bit chroot environment
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11:14<rkos>well google has help now that i know the problem, ill try this link i found on google first
11:14<miksuh>I don't have any 64bit hardware so I have no experience about using flash on 64bit linux..
11:15<miksuh>but maybe others can help
11:15<ifvoid>flash works with nspluginwrapper
11:16<dpkg>it has been said that nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at
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11:17<stew>dpkg: nspluginwrapper =~ s#*unstable*#testing/unstable#
11:17<dpkg>stew: OK
11:18<stew>actually its not officially in testing or unstable
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11:19<ifvoid>it is
11:19<stew>dpkg nspluginwrapper =~ s#officially in testing/unstable#in contrib on testing/unstable#
11:19<dpkg>stew: OK
11:19<stew>ifvoid: its in contrib
11:19<ifvoid>contrib is part of debian
11:19<stew>no it isn't
11:19<ifvoid>only non-free isn't
11:19<ifvoid>it is
11:19<stew>ifvoid: not according to the SC
11:20<ifvoid>hmm, you're right
11:20<witte>ifvoid: in any case the new factoid is not incorrect
11:22<rkos> <- i tried that but i get unmet dependencies again
11:22<witte>rkos: still those wine dependencies?
11:22<witte>rkos: those are not related to flash or whatever
11:22<witte>do you use wine?
11:22<rkos>yeah i have wine
11:23<witte>rkos: but do you use it for something
11:23<rkos>shouldnt be in use right now
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11:23<witte>rkos: you could remove wine, and just install everything correctly
11:24<rkos>ok how do i remove it
11:25<witte>rkos: apt-get remove wine
11:25<rkos>ok, done
11:26<witte>now do apt-get install -f
11:26<rkos>ok, seems it worked
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11:27<rkos>rad, this sure aint simple
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11:37<rkos>ok so flashplayer works fine, now to the next one...
11:37<rkos>how do i get xchat to work?
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11:39<Akuna>je comprend rien au forum moi
11:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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11:39<Akuna>comment allez sur ubuntu
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11:42<Br01>hi all
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11:42<Br01>how to add vhost in my shell
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11:43<rkos>so yeah, is there any guide on how to install xchat?
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11:44<padski>rkos: apt-get install xchat
11:45<rkos>great o
11:46<Akuna>je veux pirater un fai
11:46<Akuna>qui peut m'aidez
11:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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11:52<knoppix_>como tan todos
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12:04<rkos>how do i join a channel with nordic letters in it with xchat?
12:05<avtobiff>print them?
12:05<avtobiff>/join åäö
12:05<petemc>can you cuntpaste them?
12:05<avtobiff>nice typo
12:05<petemc>it wasnt a typo , per se
12:05<ablonde>i love cuntpase
12:07<rkos>nothing happens when i try to join it
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12:07<petemc>anything in the status window?
12:07<rkos>and on startup it joins a channel with some weird symbols as i have it on autojoin
12:07<petemc>(i dont use xchat)
12:08<rkos>nope, if i leave the # out it gives me rã€hmã€lã€lan :No such channel
12:08<rkos>but with the # it doesent join and status says nothing
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12:09<rkos>well its not that important
12:10<rkos>anyways, whats a good mp3 player for debian?
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12:14<nowhere_man>for the shell, mp3blaster is good, too
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12:17<nowhere_man>is that a package?
12:18<nowhere_man>I don't see it in any current release of Debian...
12:18<nowhere_man>ha shit, I though "zina" was an answer to the mp3 question!
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12:18<rkos>can i download and install vlc for debian? how?
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12:19<nowhere_man>aptitude install vlc
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12:20<cico>I am getting this error in "aptitude update":- Get:3 etch/updates/main Packages [207kB]
12:20<cico>99% [3 Packages gzip 0]
12:20<cico>gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
12:20<rkos>No candidate version found for vlc
12:20<rkos>dont think it installed
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12:21<rkos>if it did, how do i run it?
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12:22<Nemoder>rkos: what version of debian are you using?
12:22<rkos>the test version
12:22<Nemoder>vlc isn't available in lenny/testing
12:22<rkos>etch wouldn't recognize my drivers
12:22<rkos>well can xmms play streams?
12:23<Leanrorchaves> /msg iSLiFECORP invite p161c779uajbn35x
12:23<Nemoder>rkos: you might give xine a try
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12:23<rkos>whats the command for that
12:23<Nemoder>aptitude install xine
12:24<rkos>whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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12:24<rkos>No candidate version found for xine
12:24<rkos>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
12:24<Nemoder>ah yes sorry
12:25<rkos>ok xine-ui works
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12:25<Nemoder>aptitude is a front-end for apt-get
12:25<Nemoder>it provides a friendlier interface when there are conflicts or extra dependencies needed
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12:28<cico>I am getting this error when I do apt-get update: Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). but I am able to download the Packages.gz file using wget.
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12:29<panagos>will python-psyco ever be available for amd64 ?
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12:29<Nemoder>cico: what does 'gzip --version' show?
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12:30<cico>Nemoder: gzip 1.3.5
12:31<cico>Nemoder: it is able to download other Packages.gz, it fails only for the none.
12:31<cico>Also, /dev/sda9 4.6G 3.2G 1.2G 73% /
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12:31<cico>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
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12:32<rkos>ok then, whats a good bittorrent client for debian/lenny?
12:32<Nemoder>rkos: azureus is good, but requires java
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12:33<amphi>rkos: rtorrent
12:33<cico>is there any other repo for security?
12:35<cico>deb etch main contrib
12:35<cico>deb etch/updates main contrib
12:35<cico>these are the only two lines in my sources.list ^^^ is this fine?
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12:38<Nemoder>cico: I don't think security has a 'contrib'
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12:41<stew>it has one, but it is empty
12:41<panagos>i'm using an asrock motherboard with alc888 sound chip, debian stable 4.0r1 amd64, kernel 2.6.18-5, but i have no sound!
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12:43<cico>but why do I get this error:- Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). Strangely I am able to download the Packages.gz file using wget.
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12:46<kevinl>hello. Is there any utility that can resize a Fat16 partition safely? I want to make a partition bigger, it is on a compact flash card that has extra space available.
12:47<nowhere_man>parted should do it
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12:47<nowhere_man>although I only used it on fat32
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12:47<kevinl>cool. ill give it a shot
12:48<Nemoder>cico: try apt-get clean, then apt-get update
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12:48<cico>Nemoder: I see one strange thing.
12:48<cico>Nemoder: exists but doesn't
12:48<stew>apt-get clean won't have any affect on Pacakges.gz
12:49<stew>cico: contrib doesn't get security support anyway, you can remove contrib from the security line.
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12:49<stew>cico: unless you have a reason not to, you should probably use http
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12:49<cico>stew: ok
12:50<cico>but any reason why it is there in http and not in ftp?
12:50<padski>I have little berkley databases coming out of my ears :-(
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12:50<rkos>any idea why i might not be hearing any sound from veoh videos?
12:51<cico>I get 3 Ign lines
12:51<cico>Ign etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
12:51<cico>Ign etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
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12:51<cico>and one more for Ign etch/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
12:51<cico>what do these Ign lines mean?
12:51<dpkg>rumour has it, ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download"
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12:53<Nemoder>panagos: have you tried installing alsa-utils and running alsaconf ?
12:54<cico>stew: but it tried to connect to the /debian/dists.. directory instead of /debian-security/dists...
12:54<kevinl>nowhere_man, does /etc/fstab need to have an entry for the partition i am resizing? I can use the "print" command of parted to see the partition, but it says it doesnt not exist when i try to resize it.
12:54<stew>cico: what is "it"
12:55<cico>stew: apt-get
12:55<nowhere_man>kevinl: parted has nothing to do with fstab, it can edit whatever partition it has access to
12:56<nowhere_man>BTW, I never learned parted's commands, I use gparted...
12:56<cico>I get 3 Ign lines, how come it is not a big deal.
12:56<stew>cico: becuase those repositories aren't using pdiff
12:56<kevinl>nowhere_man, ok thx
12:56<cico>the Ign lines are for etch/updates, etch/main from where all the updates are going to happen.
12:57<cico>then how would the updates happen if Ign has come for them?
12:57<stew>cico: and sicne they are not using pdiff there is no reason to download a diffindex. it just means you are going to get the entire Packages.gz file if it has changed
12:57<nowhere_man>that's a good GUI, where the graphical part serves a purpose (e.g. you can drag partitions borders...)
12:57<cico>from where will it find out what packages to updae?
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12:57<cico>stew: ok
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12:58<panagos>can somebody please point me to a description of the memory management (virtual address mapping etc) under linux x86_64 ?
12:59<rkos>how to instal wine on lenny?
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12:59<stew>rkos: aptitude install wine
12:59<Nemoder>rkos: if you run aptitude without any options you can use the menu options to search for whatever you need
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13:00<rkos>oh ok
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13:05<DanDare>damn keyboard
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13:09<cico>I did: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=10240 - but after I take out the usb disk and re-insert, it mounts automatically again. why?
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13:19<rkos>anyone have any idea how to get veohtv working for lenny?
13:19<rkos>or atleast get the veoh flashplayer to play audio
13:20<rkos>youtube flashes had audio fine but veoh only seems to play video
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13:21<rkos>hmm, other veoh videos seem to play fine, might be some codec problem or who knows
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13:30<weasel>quick: thanks
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13:48<toker89>hola a todos
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13:49<ubuntu_>Brasil no ar
13:50<Supaplex>ubuntu_: topic :)
13:50<tech404>So i want to turn a Nikia IP110 into a gateway... after some digging I found that in many cases nokia's interfaces usually show invalid MAC addresses.... something like ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff... should this be easily fixable with hwaddress ether in interfaces?
13:50<cico>aren't there alternate mirrors?
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13:51<Supaplex>tech404: ifconfig and/or interfaces can manage that. assuming your Nokia(sp?) is running Debian?
13:51<ubuntu_>nil sp nokia
13:52<stew>cico: no officially. has an unofficial one
13:52<Shu>is media player classic freeware?
13:53<tech404>well... its not now but once I get it its the first thing i plan to do... its a little embedded checkpoint appliance but its x86 300Mhz
13:53<cico>stew: can apt-get update; apt-get upgrade in etch upgrade the kernel with a new version number?
13:53<tech404>Supaplex: thanks for your help
13:54<stew>cico: you mean like go from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.18-5 or to 2.6.22-1 ? or do you mean from one version of 2.6.18-5 to a newer version of 2.6.18-5?
13:55<cico>stew: how can it be one versoin of 2.6.18-5 to newer versoin of 2.6.18-5, a newer version have a newer version number, isn't it?
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13:56<stew>cico: the current kenrel in stable is 2.6.18-5 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4. this one replace 2.6.18-5 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3
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13:57<EmleyMoor>What's the name of a good menu editing tool for gnome?
13:57<cico>stew: uname -r shows only 2.6.18-4-486 to me.
13:57<stew>cico: which basically is debian releasing a newer version of their packaging of the same upstream kernel
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13:58<panagos>EmleyMoor: alacarte
13:58<stew>cico: yes, and so apt-get upgrade could get you a newer version of the linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 package, but it wouldn't install a linux-image-2.6.18-5 package (since apt-get upgrade never installs new pacakges or removes packages, it only upgrades existing pacakges)
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13:58<stew>cico: and actually in this case it would not upgrade to a newer version of 2.6.18-4, since that kernel was removed from debian becuase it was replaced by 2.6.18-5 for security reasons
13:59<cico>stew: how come you got 2.6.18-5 then?
13:59<stew>cico: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
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13:59<EmleyMoor>Turns out I already have alacarte - that's cool
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14:19<Fo>hi, anyone here runs trac package on etch ?
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14:35<andrej>i got a problem can somebody help me ?
14:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:35<andrej>fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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14:38<andrej>can anyone solve my problem ?
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14:40<qbit>andrej, did you install the package containing the gl libs?
14:40<bartm>when I switch resolution from 1440x900 to 640x480, then the lower part is truncated. How can I configure xorg.conf to add black blocks left and right instead?
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14:44<andrej>qbit: i think i have :) if i didn't which sould i ? :) i installed the newest driver for my g. cart ati mobility x600
14:45<andrej>i'm new at this so please be gentle :)
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14:49<andrej>how is gl package called ?
14:50<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
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14:50<dpkg>radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI display driver for the r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in <experimental>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <fglrx>.
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14:51<floku>andrej: you probably need the package "libgl1-mesa-glx"
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14:52<andrej>floku: i have installed that.
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14:54<floku>andrej: just to be sure, check if the file /usr/lib/ exists
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14:55<rkos>how to get skype for lenny?
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14:56<padski>rkos: skype have their own apt repo
14:56<traza>Hi, has somebody try before tomcat 5.5 as apache front-end?
14:56<rkos>meaning that?
14:56<padski>rkos: goto their webpages
14:57<padski>there was some talk on d-d about uploading skype to non-free ?
14:57<andrej>floku: i got them under /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/
14:57<andrej>what now?
14:58<andrej>copy ?
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14:58<andrej>to /usr/lib ?
14:58<rkos>so after i download the .deb from the skype site what do i do?
14:58<floku>andrej: not necessarily; this might be a fglrx-specific thing...
14:59<andrej>thats not goot :)
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14:59<padski>rkos: there are instructions there on adding their repo to your sources.list, or you could install a .deb with dpkg
14:59<rkos>oh yeah noticed
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15:00<dpkg>hmm... skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from, or an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties
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15:01<rkos>Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
15:01<rkos>didnt work
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15:01<floku>andrej: we can check if the linker finds these library; you should see it listed if you run this command:
15:01<floku>andrej: ldconfig -NXp | grep
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15:04<miksuh>rkos: put this to your sources.list
15:04<miksuh>deb stable non-free
15:04<andrej>floku: i typed: sudo ldconfig -NXp | grep and nothing happend what now ?
15:04<rkos>yeah i did
15:05<miksuh>maybe it's just a temporaru server problem then
15:05<floku>andrej: how did you install the fglrx driver?
15:05<rkos>well how do i install it with the dpkg?
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15:07<rkos>i downloaded it with wget, but how do i install it
15:07<padski>rkos: yeah, that repo appears to be broken :-(
15:07<andrej>floku: apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src , then: module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src
15:07<miksuh># dpkg -i skype.deb or what ever the package name is
15:08<padski>rkos: you can use dpkg --install CAREFULLY, or there are ways to use apt which are better ...
15:08<miksuh>or if you have gdebi installed you can just click package icon on desktop
15:09<rkos>uhhuh, looks like it doesent work with amd64
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15:09<andrej>floku: drivers ware for sid
15:10<rkos>damn, any way around the 64 problem?
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15:10<rkos>how often do they update this stuff?
15:10<floku>andrej: is the rest of your system on Sid as well?
15:10<andrej>floku: no i have lenny
15:10<miksuh>rkos: unfortunately many developers do not support 64bit linux yet..
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15:11<miksuh>it might be possible to run skype in 32bit chroot..
15:11<rkos>if you had to guess, would it be weeks, months or years of waiting time?
15:11<miksuh>I don't know if it is possible
15:11<floku>andrej: I seem to remember a recent discussion on debian-laptop about problems with fglrx
15:12<floku>I have the impression that it is a bit touchy at the moment; unfortunately I don't know the details since I don't have any ATI cards
15:12<miksuh>rkos: hard to say
15:13<andrej>floku: thx anyway !
15:13<floku>andrej: check this:
15:13<padski>rkos: ah, yes missed that. no ppc binary here neither :-(
15:13<padski>rkos: if not a chroot then qemu ?
15:13<andrej>floku: thx!
15:13<rkos>how do i do the chroot thing?
15:14<rkos>maybe ill just have to teach my parents to use something else than skype :/
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15:15<danroj>hola a todos
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15:16<javierdm>danroj: hello !
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15:16<danroj>speak spanish?
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15:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:17<javierdm>yes, but this channel is in english, for spanish you have #debian-es
15:17<rkos>bash: debootstrap: command not found
15:18<rkos>what now
15:18<padski>rkos: apt-get install debootstrap
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15:18<Supaplex>!installit to rkos
15:20<rkos>oh i can search aps with the bot?
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15:20<miksuh>if i would have 64bit server and desktop computer I would install 32bit debian on desktop and 64bit debian on server
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15:21<padski>rkos: /msg dpkg help
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15:22<padski>or something like 'apt-cache search debootstrap' would have helped you
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15:23<rkos>Usage: search <engine> for <string> <- what do i put in the engine?
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15:25<padski>Example: search google for evil
15:25<Myon>rkos: is probably easier
15:25<padski>!find debootstrap
15:26<dpkg>Debian Search of 'debootstrap' (4 of 8): (/usr/sbin/debootstrap) in admin/debootstrap ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/debootstrap.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html ;; (/usr/bin/{lh_bootstrap_cdebootstrap|lh_bootstrap_debootstrap}) in misc/live-helper ;; (/usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/workaround/ in devel/pbuilder.
15:27<jthomas>when compiling an app (ffmep in this case), is there a shortcut like "./configure --enable-all" or do i have to specify each?
15:27<padski>there is also dpkg -S and apt-file
15:27<padski>jthomas: try ./configure --help
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15:29<padski>jthomas: I take it there is a reason why you are not building from a source package
15:30<jthomas>its more of a technical discussion here at work
15:30<jthomas>although that would be good to learn aobut as well
15:32<padski>jthomas: well, not all configure scripts spring out of the auto- tools, but --help works on those
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15:32<padski>jthomas: IIRC there is generally a default
15:33<jthomas>why would one compile a source package with the defaults? why not just use the default binary package?
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15:33<padski>jthomas: binaries have to come from somewhere :-)
15:34<jthomas>of course, but i mean an end user
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15:37<padski>there are too many possible answers to that. in general, because that is the setting you want. to pick one example, you are building a patched variant.
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15:38<kop>jthomas: To prove you can, so if you need to tweak you know you can.
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15:42<kirillov>hi, need help! new lenny kernel has problem with any nvidia drivers installed from .run file
15:43<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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15:43<kirillov>tried module assistant everityng gone right but X block in a black screen
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15:44<kirillov>kernel 2.6.22
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15:45<padski>kirillov: did you try using the nvidia packages ?
15:45<kirillov>padski: nvidia proprietary drivers
15:45<kirillov>and than, via module assistant
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15:46<kirillov>everithing go but x freeze in a black screen.. error, so i look at the xorg.log and.. nothin! any error!
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15:47<padski>kirillov: so this is ...
15:47<dpkg>well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:47<kirillov>padski i'm using etch, kernel 2.6.22
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15:48<kirillov>lenny kernel 2.6.22
15:49<padski>kirillov: well, that is supposed to be the way to do it, as listed out by dpkg above. is that what you are doing ?
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15:50<kirillov>padski: i've installed the last drivers..
15:50<kirillov>i don't need old drivers
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15:52<padski>kirillov: sorry, I don't have any nvidia kit I can test against right now. I think you are out there on your own with that one.
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16:08<jujo>hello everybody
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16:09<kirillov>hi, need hel on installing nvidia drivers.. it's not my first time, i've moved from 2.6.18 kernel (with working proprietary drivers) to 2.6.22.. tried to install from .run file, problem of compiling: gcc present was too obsolete than requested! uninstalled, tried module assistant way.. installation perfect, but X free in a blank screen.. i look the xorg.log and.. no errors!! the kernel 2.6.22 has any bugs??
16:10<arek><arek> asd
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16:10<kirillov>sorry for the english :)
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16:13<jujo>i`m getting this missage when i shutdown my system: DISK MIGHT NOT BE SPUN DOWN PROPERLY. UPDATE SHUTDOWN UTILITY
16:13<chealer>kirillov: I'm not aware of any bug of that king in Linux 2.6.22. did you use the nvidia driver version?
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16:13<jujo>it seems that the problem is with the shutdown utility
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16:13<chealer>kirillov: I'm not aware of any bug of that kind in Linux 2.6.22. did you use the same nvidia driver version?
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16:14<jujo>and the live of mi HD can be reduced by this bug
16:14<kirillov>i've installed with module assistant
16:14<kirillov>chealer: have i to uninstall driver from past kernels?
16:15<chealer>kirillov: you shouldn't, but you didn't answer my question.
16:15<kirillov>chealer: i don't know what version are u talkin about
16:16<kirillov>i've installed from .run
16:16<kirillov>but nothin, so i've installed via module assistant
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16:16<chealer>kirillov: what was the nvidia drivers version you used when you used the drivers successfully with Linux 2.6.18?
16:17<kirillov>may drivers
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16:18<kirillov>chealer: 100.14.03
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16:20<chealer>kirillov: are you currently trying with the same version?
16:20<kirillov>with the latest
16:20<chealer>kirillov: which version are you trying with?
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16:20<kirillov>but the did'n workin
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16:21<kirillov>the latest, 100.14.19
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16:21<kirillov>i've tried 100.14.06
16:21<chealer>kirillov: did you try with 2.6.22 and 100.14.03?
16:21<kirillov>sorry 100.14.11
16:22<zakora>Does somebody know how to install driver for rage128 ?
16:22<kirillov>chealer: there's a problem with gcc compiler
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16:22<kirillov>the 100.14.11 need gcc 4.1 when i've 4.2
16:23<kirillov>imagine the 100.14.03
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16:23<kirillov>it's a know problem, you can see in some forums
16:23<chealer>zakora: yes.
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16:24<chealer>kirillov: is there anything preventing you from using gcc 4.1?
16:24<zakora>cause i still have a 800x600 instead of 1024 :S
16:24<kirillov>it was suggested to change a symlink
16:25<kirillov>infact the installation goes with no errors
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16:25<zakora>my xorg.conf : driver : r128
16:26<kirillov>but x doesn't start
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16:28<zakora>chealer, do you know how to install the r128 driver?
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16:28<chealer>zakora: yes
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16:29<zakora>is there a package?
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16:29<chealer>zakora: yes
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16:30<zakora>chealer, i didn't find it, what is name?
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16:31<chealer>zakora: xserver-xorg-video-ati
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16:31<zakora>ty :)
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16:32<zakora>hm, already installed.
16:32<zakora>gonna try
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17:01<schwarting02>Hallo @all
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17:02<schwarting02>Ich habe auf der Debian Supportseite diese Adresse gefunden. Bin ich hier richtig wenn ich Probleme mit der Installation habe?
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17:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:04<schwarting02>Vielen Dank, thank you
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17:05<me>hi i was installing postmaster on my webserver and got a problem... pop3 is working but i cant login with a email client. i was unsing this tutorial:
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17:06<me>this is my authmysqlrc: (thought it must be somthing with this config file...
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17:08<user512>Hi can anyone help me?
17:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:10<user512>I have problem, probably, with xserver, I`ve recently changed the monitor and now it`s black. uafter 20 seconds it gows to power conservation mode saying that "input signal is out of range"
17:12<user512>what is my problem and how i can fix it?
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17:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:14<user512>is there anyone alive?
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17:16<user512>where i can find data on horisontal and vertical frequency of monitor?
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17:16<aminorex>usually in OSD
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17:17<aminorex>or in the manual
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17:17<aminorex>for that device.
17:17<user512>I mean to correctly configure xorg.conf
17:17<aminorex>so do i.
17:18<user512>iI have no manual
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17:18<aminorex>what's the model?
17:18<user512>LG Flatron
17:18<Knorrie>on the back?
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17:19<tomasso>I cant upgrade my distr from 7.04 to 7.10
17:20<Supaplex>tomasso: topic
17:20<aminorex>31~63 kHz horiz, 56~75 Hz vert
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17:20<aminorex>as per
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17:22<contrast83>Greets, everyone... I'm having some trouble with my nVidia card. I know it's capable of doing compositing and DRI, and I've installed the driver for it... Is there anything special I need to do under Debian to get compositing working?
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17:23<contrast83>Or is there such a thing as a blacklist on Debian that'll prevent certain cards from doing composite, texture_from_pixmap, etc, a la` Ubuntu Gutsy?
17:24<Nemoder>what window manager do you use?
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17:25<contrast83>Compiz-Fusion and Enlightenment. Neither are able to do compositing ATM.
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17:25<Nemoder>what's the GPU?
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17:26<Nemoder>should work fine
17:26<contrast83>One would think so. :-\
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17:26<Nemoder>you installed nvidia-glx?
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17:27<contrast83>Does nvidia-glx cover *all* cards? Crap... I've probably made a stupid mistake...
17:27<Nemoder>well there's a legacy driver for older cards
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17:28<Nemoder>not sure if the geforce5 is legacy
17:28<contrast83>I was looking for nvidia-glx-legacy (just coming from Kubuntu), which is what I needed there. Couldn't find it, so I installed the driver from nVidia's site. It installed without a hitch, and I see the nVidia splash right before X starts, so I assumed it was working properly.
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17:29<webtiger>hi. i got some trouble with my notebook (i'm completly new to debian and linux). i wanted to install win xp as seccond operating system but if i boot from cd it can't find the hard disk. so i really need some help :(
17:29<contrast83>There's an nvidia-glx-legacy package for Testing?
17:29<Nemoder>not sure about testing
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17:30<aminorex>webtiger: i always install windows first, then install linux on top of it, because linux generally accomodates windows, but windows is not at all friendly to linux.
17:30<aminorex>webtiger: that order is not necessary, but is much simpler.
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17:31<Nemoder>contrast83: I build my own kernel and use the installer for my card
17:31<contrast83>webtiger: It's possible to do what you're trying to, but aminorex's right, it's easier the other way around. Your best bet would probably be to download a GParted live CD and move the Linux partition so that Windows can install at the beginning of the disk, which is where its ego complex determines it must go. :-\
17:31<aminorex>webtiger you might consider just running windows in a virtual machine, since then you can copy-paste between the two systems, and don't have to reboot to switch.
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17:32<webtiger>i read about this. my plan was to use the laptop only with linux. but that don't work because of the wlan. i need wlan and with linux it doesn't work
17:32<bazz>is there a decent doc anywhere about building 7.3 from source?
17:32<aminorex>webtiger, you can probably use windows drivers for your wlan under linux.
17:32<contrast83>Nemoder: If I show you the how-to I followed, could you let me know if it seems "off"?
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17:32<Nemoder>contrast83: ok
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17:33<aminorex>webtiger, for example:
17:33<webtiger>not really. the network controller is making serious problems. and i'm a complet noob with linux.
17:34<Nemoder>contrast83: if you run nvidia-settings it should show you all the opengl extensions if it's working properly
17:34<aminorex>webtiger: or read this:
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17:37<contrast83>Nemoder: Yeah, it doesn't list the texture_from_pixmap extension.
17:37<Nemoder>contrast83: nvidia's website says to use the driver for FX cards
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17:38<contrast83>That's the one I tried first, per the tutorial, without really noticing. Then it didn't work (same problem as I'm having now), and I thought it was because I was using the wrong driver, so I installed this one.
17:38<Nemoder>contrast83: also make sure you removed all of the nvidia* packages from debian if you use their installer or they will conflict
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17:40<contrast83>The only thing with nvidia in its package name/description that I have installed is the free driver.
17:40<Nemoder>that should be ok i think
17:41<contrast83>Nemoder: Do those instructions look proper?
17:41<Nemoder>unless the .23 driver doesn't include FX support
17:42<contrast83>Hrmm... I saw some other directions on Debian's wiki which were *much* longer, but I got lazy and used the ones on that page instead.
17:43<contrast83>Where on nVidia's site did you see where it shows what driver to use for each card?
17:43<Nemoder>you just select your card type and OS
17:43<Nemoder>and it tells you what driver to get
17:43<contrast83>Ohh, got it.
17:43[~]contrast83 slaps himself.
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17:44<contrast83>Sorry, been up for ~48 hours. :-D
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17:44<Nemoder>I think those longer instructions are on how to build debs so that your system doesn't break when your kernel/xorg gets updated
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17:44<Nemoder>if you just use the installer then you have to rerun it on each update
17:44<contrast83>I think I'm getting somewhere. I put in the card I have and it lists a slightly different driver from the one on the how-to.
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17:45<contrast83>Ahh, ok. I'm fine with just re-running it.
17:45<contrast83>I'm gonna go give this a shot, I'll be back.
17:45<contrast83>Thanks a lot, Nemoder :-)
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17:47<webtiger>ok. i made a gparted live cd and moved linux to the end. now it should work to install an other operating system or is there still anything i need to think about befor putting in an other cd for installing win?
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17:49<Nemoder>windows will probably overwrite the boot sector so you'll have to fix that again after it's installed
17:50<webtiger>but now i should be able to install win without problems?
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17:51<Nemoder>that's debatable with windows :)
17:52<JasonS>can say that about any software though to be honest
17:52<webtiger>ok. so i will be nice to the cd o.0
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18:03<Hideo_Kuze>how come there hasn't been any update in the last few days
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18:04<Hideo_Kuze>the sid / testing branch
18:04<Hideo_Kuze>just updates in general
18:04<contrast83>Nemoder: Ok, I installed the driver nVidia's site recommended for my card. I now seem to have texture_from_pixmap, but still no composite extension.
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18:05<contrast83>Any ideas?
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18:06<Nemoder>does ccsm run?
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18:06<contrast83>Should I pastebin the output of fusion-icon?
18:07<chealer>Hideo_Kuze: ftp-master.d.o is down
18:07<Hideo_Kuze>chealer: aw, what happened to it?
18:07<gcs>I have a package which should be compiled for all archs, with one exception. How can I do it with debian/control Architecture field?
18:07<Hideo_Kuze>nothing serious I hope
18:07<chealer>Hideo_Kuze: see d-devel-announce
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18:10<Nemoder>contrast83: I didn't think it was needed for compiz but for XFCE the instructions say to edit your xorg.conf and add: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection
18:10<Hideo_Kuze>chealer: thanks
18:12<contrast83>hmm... i thought the current versions of Xorg didn't use the Extensions section. I'll try that though.
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18:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:14<contrast83>restarting x, brb
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18:16<user512>have anyone tryed debian on fujitsu fmv650? Has touchscreen worked?
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18:16<contrast83>No dice. X wouldn't even start with the Extensions section tacked on.
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18:19<Nemoder>where did you get compiz-fusion from? I don't think it's in testing yet
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18:20<contrast83>Shame's repo, along with the rest of C-F
18:21<contrast83>brb, trying something else...
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18:21<user512>i have a problem installing pidgin. I`m running stable 4.0
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18:22<contrast83>Strike 3... :-P
18:23<bzed>user512: apt-get install gaim
18:23<bzed>user512: etch contains pidgin under it's old name
18:23<bzed>if I remember right
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18:24<user512>bzed: i have gaim installed but i want pidgin :)
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18:24<contrast83>Nemoder: Well, maybe I'll get this sorted out tomorrow. I'm literally following asleep at the computer at this piont, so I should probably go before I *really* break something. :-D
18:25<roman>is msn messenger usuable on ubuntu
18:25<Nemoder>heh ok, cya
18:25<contrast83>Nemoder: Thanks again for your help, much appreciated. Peace.
18:25<chealer>roman: /topic
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18:30<k-man>how is logcheck called?
18:30<k-man>from cron?
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18:36<gsimmons>k-man: From cron (specificially, /etc/cron.d/logcheck). By default it is run once an hour.
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18:54<webtiger>it seems like there are really things to discuss with the installation cd....
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18:54<webtiger>"File \i386\vgaoem.fon could not be loaded. The error code is 8192"?
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18:56<simonrvn>looks like a windows font and path...
18:57<webtiger>i moved debian to the end of the hard drive but still can't install windows in front of it. but the error is different now.....
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19:10<webtiger>can anyone tell me how i get the seccond operating system installed? i don't know what to do against this error....
19:10<witte>webtiger: what do you try, which error, which two os,...
19:11<azeem>00:51 < webtiger> "File \i386\vgaoem.fon could not be loaded. The error code is 8192"?
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19:11<azeem>webtiger: that looks like a Windows error we know nothing about
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19:12<witte>webtiger: is de cd damaged?
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19:13<witte>(i had a look to your earlier statements)
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19:14<witte>webtiger: the error "file ... could not be loaded" does not seem to be related to linux or the hard disk, but to the installation cdrom
19:14<webtiger>i don't think so. it looks ok. i tried an other cd to be sure but it doesn't work too
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19:15<witte>webtiger: is this really in the beginning of the installation (right after bios) or after a while (other windows stuff is loaded)
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19:16<witte>webtiger: and is there no cd test tool on the cdrom?
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19:17<webtiger>i didn't found a tool. so i don't think so
19:18<suzan>looking for a program to talk with my video camera
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19:21<webtiger>i insert the cd again to see when it stopps loading.
19:22<webtiger>this time i had the same error then before. "setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer." and so on
19:24<witte>webtiger: is this a recent pc and a windows XP cdrom?
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19:25<webtiger>the pc is a hp compaq nx7400 so i think it is recent
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19:25<webtiger>and the cd is win xp prof. with sp 2
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19:26<witte>webtiger: maybe the windows cd does not have the drivers for the sata controller (if there is one in the pc)
19:27<webtiger>so i boot the pc and look if i find a sata controller?
19:27<witte>webtiger: I do not know, i do not have windows
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19:30<snolr>whatis the best web editor using in debian ?
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19:31<webtiger>at the moment i only have got debian installed. but i need windows for wlan of my university. don't get into the wlan with linux
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19:32<snolr>you have to install windows driver on debian
19:32<webtiger>ok. i looked it up. got a sata controller
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19:33<snolr>what is the command find the network host ip ?
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19:34<snolr>if someone know pls tell me
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19:35<webtiger>i don't know. got a network controller which don't get along with linux well....
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19:37<gr8ron>snolr: /sbin/ifconfig ?
19:37<snolr>I got this msg '?: error fetching interface information: Device not found'
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19:38<gr8ron>without ? :)
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19:39<snolr>no i want to know other computer's IP add
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19:39<gr8ron>snolr: ping ?
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19:40<gr8ron>snolr: host ?
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19:41<snolr>host -l ?
19:42<snolr>host -l ?
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19:45<lucas_amorim>hello, I have got two usb joysticks. The first one I connected was detected and became /dev/input/js0 and is working. So, what is the adress of the second one?
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19:45<lucas_amorim>how do I check that?
19:46<ravtux>hello all
19:46<witte>lucas_amorim: disconnect and connect the second one, and do "dmesg |tail" afterwards
19:46<snolr>r u going playing with debian
19:47<lucas_amorim>witte: What exactely should I look for at its output?
19:48<witte>lucas_amorim: normally there will some things there about the newly connected devices, you could past it in a pastebin maybe
19:48<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:49<lucas_amorim>witte: ok
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19:51<witte>lucas_amorim: it does not look if there is something special there :(
19:52<witte>ok, can you try lsusb (which is in the usbutils package in case you do not have it installed)
19:52<lucas_amorim>witte: sure
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19:54<witte>lucas_amorim: are the joysticks connected to the usb ports?
19:54<lucas_amorim>yes, both
19:54<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering is using LVM with multiple hard drives in a system is this a bad way to use for samba shares?
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19:55<lucas_amorim>witte: would you like to see lsdev?
19:55<lupine_85>lucas_amorim: USB joysticks look a bit like "input: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [GreenAsia Inc. USB Joystick ] on usb-0000:00:10.0-2" in dmesg
19:55<witte>lucas_amorim: ah, yes, maybe that is better
19:55<lupine_85>oddtod: it shouldn't matter
19:55<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: ok
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19:55[~]lupine_85 has one plugged in right now :D
19:56<oddtod>thanks lupine
19:56<lupine_85>HID devices are generally well-supported.. they /should/ just pop up
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19:56<oddtod>hmm one more question guys how well does the NTFS write support work in debian?
19:56<lupine_85>if they don't, it might be time to start googling the usb:id
19:57<webtiger>ok, i'm frustrated, i don't get it to work, i need to get up in 4 hours. thx for the support anyway. gn8 @ll
19:57<lupine_85>oddtod: np. and ntfs write support with fuse is pretty good (although performance is apparently still suboptimal). personally, I wouldn't say it's production-ready yet
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19:57<lucas_amorim>witte and luoine_85:
19:57<lucas_amorim>witte and lupine_85:
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19:59[~]lupine_85 fails to make any sense of that output :D. new tool on me
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20:00<witte>lucas_amorim: do both joysticks work seperately?
20:00<lucas_amorim>witte: yes they do
20:01<witte>lucas_amorim: and they both get /dev/js0?
20:01<lucas_amorim>that is "dmesg" output:
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20:02<lupine_85>witte: USB joysticks get /dev/input/*, don't they?
20:02<witte>lupine_85: no idea, the last joystick I had is broken for more than 10 years
20:02<lucas_amorim>I was wondering if just shoudn't be /dev/input/js1 since the first one is js0. But it is not
20:02<witte>lupine_85: i never heard of linux in the time i had it :-)
20:03<lucas_amorim> lupine_85: it is /dev/input/js0
20:03<witte>lucas_amorim: that would indeed seem logical :)
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20:03<lucas_amorim>witte: yes, I have tryed, but jscallibrator does not find anything there
20:04<lucas_amorim>I think I will try js2, js3....
20:04<witte>lucas_amorim: you can just do ls /dev/input/
20:04<lupine_85>here we are: "input: HOLTEK Twin Shock as /class/input/input3 \n input: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [HOLTEK Twin Shock] on usb-0000:00:10.3-2"
20:04<lucas_amorim>witte: interesting
20:04<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: that is the first one
20:05<witte>lupine_85: i saw him as well, but there is only one
20:05<lupine_85>it's the only one, according to dmesg
20:05<witte>lucas_amorim: are the two devices identical (same brand, model,...)
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20:05<lucas_amorim>yes. If i disconnect both and conect only the second, it appears just like that (but it is not twinshock)
20:06<lupine_85>silly, silly driver
20:06<lucas_amorim>witte: no, the first one is a PSX-like. and the other is an ordinary 6 button joypad
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20:07<lucas_amorim>look at this
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20:08<witte>lucas_amorim: what is ts0?
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20:09<lucas_amorim>I was trying to find out :s
20:09<lucas_amorim>but it seems not to be the joypad
20:09<lucas_amorim>I do not have a touchscreen
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20:10<lucas_amorim>I have tryed ts0 with jscalibrator, but it does not find anything
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20:11<lucas_amorim>:( any ideas?
20:11<witte>lucas_amorim: you can better test that by doing a "cat /dev/input/ts0" and touching the joystics,
20:12<witte>if you get a lot of garbage while moving it around, pushing buttons, it is generating input
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20:12<lucas_amorim>then that is my mouse! :p
20:12<witte>lucas_amorim: ts0 could also be a touchpad
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20:13<witte>ok :-)
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20:14<lucas_amorim>well. Then I can not play epsxe using two joypad?
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20:14<lupine_85>lucas_amorim: you need some way of convincing the driver to handle two joysticks at a time
20:15<lupine_85>I doubt you can load the driver twice
20:15<witte>lucas_amorim: maybe it can be solved with udev, but i do not know much about taht
20:15<witte>lupine_85: /etc/udev/persistent-input.rules seems relevant
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20:17<witte>or maybe better: /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-input.rules
20:17<witte>never mind
20:17<oddtod>has any one checked out gOS?
20:17<witte>they are the same
20:18<lucas_amorim>well that looks like alien to me?
20:18<lucas_amorim>well that looks like alien to me!
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20:19<oddtod>how would i find files over 10 megs in my home directory i've been trying to do "find /home/oddtod -iname +10000 '*'" but it hasn't been working
20:20<lucas_amorim>witte, lupine_85: I just don't know what to do with that.. I think I will google around
20:20<jagerman>I think you need a -size in there
20:20<lucas_amorim>thank you both!
20:21<jagerman>find /path -size +10M
20:21<jagerman>no need for -iname '*'
20:21<oddtod>hmm ok thanks jagerman
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20:33<user01>how do i clear out cache o fdownloaded packages?
20:33<dondelelcaro>user01: aptitude clean; man aptitude; (or man apt-get)
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20:34<user01>dondelelcaro: getting error 28 no space left on device
20:35<Supaplex>user01: apt-cache clean
20:35<lupine_85>remove all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
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20:35<Supaplex>ouou, upgrade /var :P
20:36<witte>user01: apt-get clean, not apt-cache
20:36<Supaplex>my bad
20:37<user01>ok thanks
20:37<user01>lupine_85: thanks wondered wherre they were all hiding
20:37<witte>user01: this is the reason why I usually place /var on a seperate partition
20:37<user01>witte: yes i did that
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20:40<witte>user01: good for you, otherwise you can flood your root system, and that can be quite unpleasant
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20:41<user01>hmmm now it is giving a whole list of public keys that i dont have
20:42<Lights04>question, i am really new, how would i edit the sources.list file. i tried with gedit, but it won't let me save it
20:42<user01>Lights04, did you run gedit as root?
20:43<streuner>Lights04: how about nano (default)?
20:43<user01>or nano
20:43<Lights04>i just installed debian about 15 min ago
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20:43<streuner>zerberus:/home/streuner# ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
20:43<streuner>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1874 2006-09-18 10:15 /etc/apt/sources.list
20:43<user01>Lights04, you cant edit sources.list if you are a user
20:44<user01>Lights04, unless you change the permissions as root, which i dont think is a good idea
20:44<Lights04>heres my situation, NVIDIA :S
20:44<streuner>"nv" works pretty well
20:45<Lights04>as far as i hear it works alot better, just a pain to install
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20:45<gokcen>turk kullanici warmi burda
20:45<triplc>hi all
20:45<witte>I do not see the connection between nvidia and the permissions of /etc/apt/sources.list
20:45<gokcen>lutfen biri cevap versin
20:45<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
20:45<user01>witte: maybe he has to edit something to get a repository for nvidia?
20:45<Lights04>witte, i have to dl something from the "non-free"
20:46<streuner>read nvidia-glx docs then
20:46<Lights04>user01: how would i be able to edit sources.list as root
20:46<streuner>/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian or such
20:46<streuner>become "root"
20:47<user01>LightKnight: open up a terminal, type su, enter your root password
20:47<witte>Lights04: ok, but your problem is that you cannot edit sources.list as a user, never. or log in to a terminal as root (command su) or run "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" if you have sudo configured
20:47<streuner>and just run "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
20:47<LightKnight>Lights04: open up a terminal, type su, enter your root password
20:47<triplc>(newbie needs advice) what is a good translation tools? i need to translate (books) from Chinese to my language (Vietnamese) and i am looking for good tools to do that. i think using ordinary editors (like openoffice,...) is quite primitive (lack of good tracking, cooperation among translators)... i am told that Debian Docs has been in translation 'business' for quite a long time, so i hope that i can get an advice what tools is good for translation tasks.
20:47<gokcen>network wireless problem
20:48<lucas_amorim>witte, lupine_85: Believe me or not. I just disconnected and connected again the second joystick and all of a sudden appeared a js1 at /dev/input!!! :) now I am happy :)
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20:48<witte>lucas_amorim: great, we solved it :P, lets hope that it remains recognized
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20:49<lucas_amorim>witte: yeah... I think it is just a question of inserting it at the right time...
20:50<lucas_amorim>let us hope
20:50<lucas_amorim>bye.. good night, have to go
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20:50<janux-xmind>hi guys!
20:51<Lights04>user01, witte, and LightKnight, thanks, i got it
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20:51<Lights04>now i'm off to the next step
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20:51<janux-xmind>where can i get a nokia java emulator for eclipse and debian?
20:52<user01>triplc, i dont know but: looks like it would be helpful?
20:53<LightKnight>(hehe, I just replayed what someone else wrote :P)
20:53<user01>LightKnight: it was brilliant though
20:54<Lights04>probably from this morning, i was on this morning, trying to do the same thing, but i was tired and couldn't comprehend much
20:55<user01>grrr . . . maybe i should just do a fresh install
20:55<user01>i probably didnt partition enough space for var
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20:55<witte>user01: how big is /var now
20:56<user01>witte: 975104
20:56<user01>1K - blocks
20:57<witte>user01: and you probably do not need to reinstall, probably you can shift things a bit (move partitions temporarilly to other disks, and resize)
20:57<witte>user01: 1gig you mean
20:57<witte>user01: that is limited, but still ok
20:57<witte>user01: I would enable the automatic run apt-get clean after install feature that is in apt iirc, but by default disabled
20:58<user01>witte: well i thought 1 048 576 1-k block is 1 GB
20:58<witte>user01: ok, +/- 1 gig
20:58<Lights04>ok next step is confusing me
20:59<Lights04>what is "m-a prepare"
20:59<witte>user01: you do not have a lot in /var/www or something?
20:59<witte>Lights04: type that in a console as root
20:59<Lights04>stupid me
20:59<dpkg>module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
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20:59<Lights04>modue assistant
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20:59<user01>witte: there is no www
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21:00<witte>user01: ok, no web server (for now, or no plans to have a big one there
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21:00<user01>witte: its a thinkpad t20 laptop so no probably not
21:00<witte>user01: i could not see that from this end of the wire
21:01<user01>witte: though it might make adecent stand alone webserver
21:01<witte>user01: if you want a larger space for apt, you could also make a new partition and mount it under /var/cache/apt
21:02<user01>user01: witte: i just manually went in and deleted all the deb files in apt archive
21:03<user01>witte: now i have only 16% usage :D
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21:03<witte>user01: yeah, but for future reference, apt will fill it up again quite fast if you are on testing or unstable
21:03<witte>on stable that should be ok
21:04<witte>(at least as long you do not install a lot of new programs
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21:06<user01>what is the ideal percentage for a partition?
21:06<user01>on my other computer home is at 69% user 68% already
21:06<witte>user01: 99% and not increasing?
21:07<DanDare>user01, it deppends on the usage you´re planing for it :)
21:07<witte>user01: different partitions have different ideal percentages
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21:08<DanDare>but /home partition could be transform in a lot of data
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21:08<user01>i guess the usr directory is ok at 6*% as im not planning to install much else on this one
21:08<witte>DanDare: depends how you use home, and if you have a /data disk or somehting, it is very case dependent
21:09<DanDare>yeah sure
21:09<user01>witte: i just guess mainly by looking at other configs
21:09<DanDare>raiser support adaptative partitions?
21:10<witte>user01: I learned a lot by trail and especially error
21:10<user01>its weird but apt-get keeps locking out even in single user mode
21:10<witte>user01: define locking out
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21:10<user01>witte: error 11
21:11<witte>user01: that is everything? no further messages?
21:11<user01>witte: looks like it is automatically trying to install prism54 drivers without me telling it to
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21:12<user01>now it just froze on bootup: cs: memory probe 0Xa0000000 - 0xa0ffffff:
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21:14<user01>something with pcmia expect a break unless i upgrade to new tools it says
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21:18<user01>is there anyway to know when 3g is coming?
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21:19<livsiker>im trying to copy files but i get this error "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character"
21:19<dondelelcaro>livsiker: copy files how?
21:19<dondelelcaro>(and from what to what, using what locale?)
21:19<livsiker>dondelelcaro: cp command
21:20<dondelelcaro>so most likely you're trying to copy files in a UTF8 locale (or similar) which are not valid UTF8
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21:20<livsiker>dondelelcaro: yes
21:20<dondelelcaro>so the solution is to rename them so that they are valid utf8
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21:24<user01>witte: 3g yeah for wireless internet
21:25<user01>they have it in chicago
21:25<user01>but not in my small town
21:26<user01>if only corn could be used to transmit packets
21:26<user01>and not just kernels
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21:27<user01>i drive to this computer about 20 miles away once or twice a week
21:28<user01>just to download stuff thats too big at 20 kB /s
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21:40<user01>has anyone tried pclinuxos? i cant figure out how it tops the ditstrowatch list over ubuntu
21:40<lontra>user01: ??
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21:42<user01>lontra: ummm yep . . . suprised to see debian is 7
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21:42<jagerman>They probably hit spammed the site
21:42<user01>which isnt bad considering all the distros i suppose
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21:42<jagerman>If so, they should be permanently removed for that sort of crap
21:43<datakid>hi, I was wondering how to find the apt-get logs? I can see an empty foler in /var/log/apt/ but nothing is in it...if that means I've not got any logs, is there any way to tell which packages were upgraded when Ilast upgraded, or, alternatively, how can I turn logging on? cheers
21:43<user01>its hard to believe that there is a more widely used distro than ubuntu
21:44<user01>espciallly one i hadnt heard of before
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21:45<user01>wish i had more computers to play around with different distros
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21:45<jagerman>I suppose you could qemu them
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21:46<jagerman>I'm perfectly happy to just stick with debian, though.
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21:46<jagerman>Anything else could only be a step down.
21:46<user01>jagerman: openbsd was nice for speed
21:47<datakid>does it log it's apt?
21:47<chealer>user01: it's not more popular. DistroWatch has never been reliable.
21:47<chealer>user01: besides, it's offtopic here.
21:48<_fang>hello, how can i start an X app over ssh on the remote computer? i could find information on how to load remote X apps on my computer, via ssh -X -C, but now how to load on the other computer. the situation is that i would like to start the browser on the computer i'm logged into. simply calling the program gives me (obviously) a display not found message
21:48<chealer>datakid: no, but dpkg does.
21:48<user01>chealer: well it was in reference to why debian was ranked 7
21:48<datakid>ok chers
21:48<chealer>user01: also wrong
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21:50<user01>id like to try foresight linux to see what conary package management looks like
21:50<datakid>chealer, there seems to be a number of entries for the same thing. I guess that I can grep just the lines that say, for instance, "upgrade" or should I go for the "status installed"
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21:51<lontra>user01: go to ##linux or something if you want to talk about things not related to debian support
21:51<user01>lontra: im waiting for 322 debian updates to install :)
21:52<user01>and then ill have to wipe out var again
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21:54<_fang>not even a rtfm for me? xD
21:55<peterS>gcs: sorry, I forgot to test svn 1.4.4 with the neon27 patch. I'm doing so now. I expect it will work smoothly, the patch itself is trivial.
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21:59<chealer>datakid: I don't know off the top of my head.
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22:00<datakid>ok, thanks anyway
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22:20<user01>how do i setup a intersil isl3890 PrismGT/Prism DUette wireless card?
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22:26<lontra>user01: google?
22:27<user01>lontra: that should be put on the channel topic msg dpkg google
22:27<gsimmons>user01: See <>.
22:28<user01>gsimmons: so there isnt a package for debian i would need to install first?
22:30<jagerman>user01: prism54 is in the kernel; you'll need the firmware, though.
22:34<user01>jagerman, not seeing a link to firmware . . .
22:35<jagerman>user01: Click on FullMac driver
22:35<user01>jagerman, oh ok i was in softmac driver
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22:45<user01>jagerman, wow that was a lot easier than i thought
22:45<user01>jagerman, thanks
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22:53<rhs>I can't get firestarter to load iptables rules at startup, anyone can help ?
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22:54<GAMMAX>hey i need some RAR help!
22:54<rhs>yes ?
22:54<GAMMAX>got any goo apps to open RAR's
22:55<GAMMAX>unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar)
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22:55<GAMMAX>thats the error iget
22:55<rhs>hum, can't help
22:55<GAMMAX>o ok
22:56<GAMMAX>thanks for backing down
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22:58<dpkg>somebody said unrar was a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
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23:01<user01>whats the different between network settings in admin and then the other network thing next to the battery manager?
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23:10<rhs>debian initscripts is a nightmare to understand
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23:21<ptr>I gots me a question
23:22<ptr>wait, no, never mind
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23:29<oddtod>how can i just add a user to one group
23:29<oddtod>if the user already exists
23:29<simonrvn>man adduser
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23:39<oddtod>is there any danger in running LVM on a samba where the partition would span multiple drives?(anymore danger then running each drive as its own partition?)
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