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---Logopened Wed Nov 07 00:00:05 2007
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00:32<oddtod>hey guys i'm using FUSE-G3 to mount an NTFS partition the issue is that its mounting it as readonly i've tried chmoding it but doesn't help
00:33<gsimmons>oddtod: What command are you using to mount the filesystem?
00:35<oddtod>lemme guess i'm suposed to mount it with some fuse command?
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00:40<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
00:40<gsimmons>oddtod: See <> for example usage of NTFS-3G.
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00:47<cico>I am doing apt-get dist-upgrade to lenny and it wants to remove this:- dbus-1-utils dosemu-freedos gnome-themes-extras libglib1.2 libgssapi2 libopenexr2c2a libsasl2 libssp0 libufsparse libvte4 linux-kernel-headers
00:47<cico>It is removing dosemu-freedos, but I need dosemu-freedos, what should I do?
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01:07<gsimmons>cico: 'dosemu-freedos' is now a virtual package. It was merged with 'dosemu'.
01:08<cico>gsimmons: ok, so with the dosemu update I should get that, right?
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01:10<gsimmons>cico: That's right.
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01:15<dpkg>i heard sip is Session Initiation Protocol. the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams
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01:20<cico>In an upgrade, there can be no packages going to be "Installed", all would be "Automatically installed", am I right?
01:21<cico>Only in dist-upgrade, new packages would be "Installed"?
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01:24<Supaplex>!depth charge openwrt+vserver+samba+custom build of samba
01:24[~]dpkg pushes a drum with 600 pounds of high explosives onto openwrt+vserver+samba+custom build of samba and watches it explode, smearing openwrt+vserver+samba+custom build of samba into a primeval soup
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01:29<cico>sorry, I got disconnected, don't know if anyone replied in the meantime, so re-posting the same question.
01:29<cico> In an upgrade, there can be no packages going to be "Installed", all would be "Automatically installed", Only in dist-upgrade, new packages would be "Installed", am I right?
01:31<jm_>or removed
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01:57<taz_>im wondering where i can find history cookie?
01:58<Supaplex>the cookie that I ate last week? oh yeah, it's history alright.
01:58<taz_>where i can find it ?
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02:00<taz_>also where is disk defragmenter ?
02:00<Supaplex>that cookie I ate last week is assuredly in the septic system.
02:01<dpkg>i heard defrag is generally not needed in linux. or or a respawn in a multiplayer game
02:01<taz_>really it don't need it ??
02:02<Supaplex>almost never
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02:03<taz_>what about disk clean up ??
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02:03<Supaplex>it's called 'rm'
02:03<dpkg>rumour has it, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release.
02:04<Supaplex>rm (1) - remove files or directories
02:04<taz_>ok i got it
02:05<taz_>does it have command prompt ?
02:05<oddtod>how would i use DD to clean a drive?
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02:05<taz_>seem real different linux and miscosoft
02:06<Supaplex>miscosoft, that's a new one.
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02:07<Supaplex>there's midnight commander (console/text-user interface)
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02:07<Supaplex>there's a whole slew of file managers. natalus (I think?) knoqueror (sp?) and others I imagine
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02:09<cico>oddtod: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdwhatever count=1 bs=1024000 (Replace 1024000 with the number of bytes you want to clean up)
02:09<klys>supposedly someone is working on a pjsip plugin for vlc
02:09<klys>it's not released anywhere yet
02:09<cico>taz_: yes, it has got bash, you just need to open gnome-terminal.
02:09<cico>taz_: or konsole if you are using KDE
02:09<oddtod>thanks ciso
02:10<taz_>cico where is gnome-terminal?
02:11<cico>taz_: I assume you are using GNome, so you will find it in Applications > Debian > XShells
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02:12<taz_> i see thanks
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02:16<oddtod>hey does any one know if i can append a && at the end of a command i'm running and do a command to make the system beep when the task is done its trying to complete?
02:16<jm_>oddtod: use ; not && so it'll beep both if it fails and if it succeeds
02:17<oddtod>so if i wanted to copy a file "cp /home/oddtod/Blah.jpg /home/oddtod/photos/;"
02:17<oddtod>like that?
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02:27<klys>can you help me decipher this line from a bash script
02:27<klys>./bootstrap &&
02:28<klys>I know I should just do, `man bash'
02:30<spal>klys: It runs bootstrap as a background process.
02:31<jm_>oddtod: yes
02:31<klys>& would do this
02:31<jm_>klys: that makes no sense
02:31<klys>which one
02:31<jm_>./foo &&
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02:32<jm_>&& is used like this: cmd1 && cmd2 - meaning cmd1 is executed and if it succeeds, cmd2 is executed
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02:32<spal>oh! I missed the two ampersands
02:32<klys>must have been a typo in the original post
02:32<jm_>sounds like it
02:33<klys>jm_: what do you specialize in
02:34<jm_>klys: what do you mean?
02:34<klys>technically what is your forte
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02:35<klys>or, do you have depth as a hacker
02:35<jm_>ahh I work on lab support for some enterprise app that runs on Unix systems, so I do all sorts of things: C, C++, shell, general Unix, some Oracle stuff
02:36<oddtod>thanks jm_ i appreciate your help
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02:50<Samba>good morning
02:51<Supaplex>I didn't see a memo about morning. what gives?!
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03:15<AleXXandEr>where can i download official ati drivers in package(*.deb)? (etch 4.0)
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03:17<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
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03:24<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team, can anyone explain why I can't find glibc?
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03:24<jm_>!wayttd AndyJ_Australia
03:24<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, AndyJ_Australia?
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03:26<AndyJ_Australia>Hi jm, trying to install some 3D games
03:26<jm_>ok you already have glibc installed if you're using Debian
03:26<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... I'm using debian AMD-64 etch
03:26<AndyJ_Australia>install is balking
03:27<AndyJ_Australia>Says: glibc {version number} not installed.
03:28<jm_>maybe it's expecting newer version
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03:28<jm_>which version does it need?
03:30<AndyJ_Australia>just checking...
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03:30<oddtod>hey guys i heard there was a way to slow drives down in linux is this true?
03:31<AndyJ_Australia>error message: lThis installation doesn't support glibc-2.0 on Linux / unknown
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03:31<AndyJ_Australia><joke> run vmware?
03:31<AndyJ_Australia>I've tried installing in 32 bit chroot (just in case) same error
03:31<jm_>pretty useless error message - it's probably a script so it shall be easy to figure out what it's looking for
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03:32<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... installer looks like a binary
03:32<AndyJ_Australia>Quake III - perhaps is too old?
03:32<jm_>probably too dumb yeah
03:33<AndyJ_Australia>:-( I really would like to run some 3D games on this system
03:34<AleXXandEr>AndyJ_Australia: play Nexuiz :)
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03:34<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm? What is it? Limited to armagedron so far, fun but prefer FPS
03:35<AleXXandEr>nexuiz is fps
03:35<AndyJ_Australia>Found the script source on ID's FTP site, looking for error message now.
03:35<AndyJ_Australia>K. Will check it out
03:36<AndyJ_Australia>Already have Q3, hoped it would be straightforward to install on debian
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03:40<AndyJ_Australia>jm - the installer is interesting, starts out as a script and then turns into a binary.
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03:41<AndyJ_Australia>Above my league.
03:41<AndyJ_Australia>Any way to check glibc version?
03:43<AndyJ_Australia>AleXXandEr - nexuiz requires properly set up Open GL drivers... Can you suggest a recent HOWTO?
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03:44<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: run /lib/ or dpkg -l libc6
03:44<AndyJ_Australia>Thank you!
03:45<AndyJ_Australia>v 2.3.6!
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03:46<AndyJ_Australia>nexuiz downloading... so it's given me a good new avenue to persue. Thanks people!
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04:02<AleXXandEr>how can i switch xserver to 32 bit? (EE) RADEON(0): Given depth (32) is not supported by radeon driver
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04:02<simonrvn>use 24, it's really 32
04:02<simonrvn>there is no 32 setting
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04:03<AleXXandEr>my videocard has bugs when it works in non-32 bit mode
04:03<AleXXandEr>in windows (where i switch to 32) i have no bugs
04:04<simonrvn>this isn't windows
04:05<AleXXandEr>i know
04:05<simonrvn>so stop thinking like windows ;)
04:05<AleXXandEr>but i want better than win, and not worse win
04:05<AleXXandEr>he :)
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04:12<WildOS>Is there a good tool in debian for finding company name by ip? It needs to include reverse dns as a minimum..
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04:13<enkrypt>seriously, am I the only one who noticed that ftp-master and incoming are still dead as disco?
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04:14<simonrvn>enkrypt: dunno what's up. d-d probably has the dirt
04:14<havane>hi, can i find help here for ubuntu?
04:14<suiside>havane: no
04:15<enkrypt>simonrvn: #debian-developers ?
04:15<padski>enkrypt: the mailing list debian-devel
04:15<Ganneff>enkrypt: read the devel-announce list.
04:15<havane>i thought that linux users were a great family !
04:15<enkrypt>okido :)
04:15<Ganneff>havane: than turn on your brain
04:16<padski>havane: and that branch can be found on #ubuntu
04:16<havane>we are all brothers
04:16<AleXXandEr>havane: ask questions here about linux, not about ubuntu
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04:16<havane>ok so i can t find drivers for my lexmark printer
04:17<br01>hi all
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04:21<ttl->i did a minimal install of etch and dist upgraded to lenny, now i want to install the "Desktop Environment" is there a way to recall the selection menu from the install ?
04:21<havane>thank you AleXXandEr
04:21<AleXXandEr>i think there is no linux driver for this printer
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04:23<havane>i am sorry to tell you that i have to install windows xp :( linux os are great :(
04:24<gsimmons>!tell ttl- -about tasksel
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04:24<AleXXandEr>havane: you can write driver :)
04:25<havane>i can t i am not a geek
04:25<simonrvn>ttl-: you mean tasksel
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04:26<ttl->gsimmons & simonrvn: thanks :-)
04:26<ttl->i forgot debian is so easy :-)
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04:30<havane>i am sad i don t want to quit linux
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04:32<kurumin>channel list
04:32<havane>"/list" :)
04:34<AleXXandEr>havane: don't quit :)
04:34<AleXXandEr>can you buy new printer?
04:34<havane>i will reinstall linux after don t worry i will come back :p
04:34<havane>thanks guys
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04:35<simonrvn>/msg chanserv list someregex
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04:51<ttl_wrk>thanks for the help!
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05:15<Br01>hi all
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05:27<enkrypt>which is best for ripping cd's in digital quality, cdparanoia or icedax(cdda2wav) ?
05:29<pleb2>What would be the best way of setting up a virtual windows machine on my debian client, i hear vmware isnt supported?? what is??
05:29<jm_>why wouldn't it be supported?
05:29<pleb2>its not available as a package etc
05:30<Br01>i have a domain name
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05:30<dpkg>vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for lenny and sid - which provides a 'make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. See also <vmware support>.
05:30<Br01>and i like to use a host in my psybnc
05:30<Br01>what package should i install
05:30<Br01>i heared about dedicated ip
05:31<jm_>pleb2: checked backports?
05:31<pleb2>gsimmons: when i search vmware-package using apt-cache or even just search for vmware, it doesnt show up :(
05:32<nd>pleb2: virtualbox
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05:34<pleb2>nd: is it as good as vmware in terms of booting from lan and suchlike?
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05:36<pleb2>nd: it says that it is "Non free" :( is there any GNU supported virtualiseation programs?
05:37<lupine_85>qemu + kqemu/kvm
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05:39<nd>pleb2: I thought it moved to main recently but i'm not sure
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05:39<pleb2>nd: i'll add the source :)
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06:02<Br01>hi all
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06:06<padski>!tell Br01 about ask
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06:21<Penguin>les serv ubuntu sont en maintenance ou sont mort ?
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06:37<pleb2>nd: now that i have installed virtualbox as a package, how do i run it??!?
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06:51<wo0f>is there a bash app for admining user groups and privileges?
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06:52<wo0f>whats its/their name please (A) ?
06:52<lupine_85>useradd, usermod, etc
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06:53<wo0f>ah cool
06:53<wo0f>- cheers
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06:55<pleb2>Anyone know how i run virtual box?
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06:56<petemc>pleb2: install it, read its documentation
06:56<nd>pleb2: /usr/bin/virtualbox?
06:58<wo0f>like how do you list the groups?
06:58<wo0f>is that possible?
06:58<lupine_85>cat /etc/group
06:58<petemc>cat /etc/group
06:59<wo0f>hm iv seen this cat before
06:59<wo0f>what does it do?
06:59<lupine_85>this is not the cat you are looking for
06:59<lupine_85>:). basically it outputs file(s) to terminal
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07:00<lupine_85>(well, stdout - which you can redirect elsewhere)
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07:00<lupine_85>it's stupidly powerful for what it is
07:00<wo0f>i see
07:00<wo0f>so i can just pipe them to less/more
07:01<wo0f>rather than nanoing them?
07:01<pleb2>petemc: i have it says : To start the VirtualBox graphical user interface, simply start the VirtualBox program. anyone have any idea's the vbox commands in the command line dont work either :(
07:02<wo0f>lupine_85: i bet, in terms of script as well
07:03<lupine_85>yep, and yep
07:03<lupine_85>but you can just less <file> instead, which is faster
07:03<wo0f>*<3 debian*
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07:03<wo0f>lupine_85: cheers for the tip
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07:06<pleb2>How do i add myself to another usergroup?
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07:07<lupine_85>pleb2: usermod -G -g <groupname> (from memory)
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07:07<petemc>adduser username groupname , too
07:07<lupine_85>whoops, mine is wrong
07:07<pleb2>:) thanks
07:07<lupine_85>usermod -a -G <group>
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07:08<pleb2>i'll use lupine_85's as i dont want to make a new user.
07:08<lupine_85>you might need to do it as root and specify the username you're modifying at the end of the command
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07:10<wo0f>is there a way to leave su mode?
07:10<wo0f>ah cool, this wont term my term will it?
07:10<nd>pleb2: You don't create a new user with the command given by petemc.
07:11<lupine_85>wo0f: it'll exit the current shell. if that's the login shell, then it'll end the term
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07:11<wo0f>hmm, ill just open a new screen then
07:11<lupine_85>if you logged in, then run su, then run exit... you just go back to the original shell
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07:12<wo0f>just to be sure, if i run su in screen, itll only make me root in that same screen right?
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07:13<lupine_85>not sure what you mean there. You'll spawn /1/ shell, that will be root. if you connect to screen from elsewhere, you'll still be root. other shells under the same screen won't be root
07:13<sakal>hellow world ;-)
07:13<wo0f>lupine_85: cheers.
07:14<sakal>is here also ubuntu support ?
07:14<lupine_85>no :D
07:14<lupine_85>irc:// for that
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07:17<pleb2>Argh, please help, still having problems, when i run vbox it says " You are not a member of the "vboxusers" group. " when i run "adduser pleb2 vboxusers" it says "The user `pleb2' is already a member of `vboxusers'."
07:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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07:18<streuner>dpkg, ubuntu =~ s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu (
07:18<dpkg>streuner: OK
07:20<pleb2>Argh, please help, still having problems, when i run vbox it says " You are not a member of the "vboxusers" group. " when i run "adduser pleb2 vboxusers" it says "The user `pleb2' is already a member of `vboxusers'." ... /etc/group has vboxusers:x:1001:pleb2 so its fine :\ any ideas???
07:21<weasel>log in again
07:22<pleb2>;) just found that on another webby, thanks weasel, i'll reboot :D
07:22<weasel>what for?
07:22<pleb2>weasel: im normally a windows user, it just "feels" wrong logging out and in
07:23<pleb2>we only run debian on our servers here, im attempting to use it as a desktop now, so now i have to deal with it alot more, on a nicer note our server has 316 days uptime without a reboot and were all amazed :D
07:23<weasel>believe me, nothing is wronger than rebooting for no reason
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07:23<pleb2>our win2003 servers normally make it to about 3 weeks and get abit flakey, explorer crashes or something happens
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07:24<R0CK_>Hello guys, I want to deny access on this ports "8080,110,25" for any connections comes on eth1
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07:25<padski>R0CK_: use a firewall ;-)
07:25<nd>ROCK_: Configure the daemons to listen only on eth0
07:26<R0CK_>I'm using iptables.
07:27<R0CK_>I have No choice to configure the listening eth, It's aproxy "software"
07:27<R0CK_>idiot, but it's do our requirements.
07:27<pleb2>sorry about giving my newbie input, but have you tried :
07:27<R0CK_>now I want to add this rule
07:27<R0CK_>Hello guys, I want to deny access on this ports "8080,110,25" for any connections comes on eth1
07:27<padski>R0CK_: nd's advise is also good. beware of using a firewall to "patch over" deeper problems.
07:27<R0CK_>and I want the command
07:27<R0CK_>to be sure if what i did is okay!
07:28<nd>R0CK_: You can specify the interface for iptables with -i
07:28<nd>-i eth1
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07:29<nd>or -i ! eth1
07:29<R0CK_>can you type the full command please?
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07:30<padski>R0CK_: or use a higher level tool
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07:31<R0CK_>guys, Please.
07:31<padski>too little knowledge can be a dangerous thing
07:31<nd>R0CK_: man iptables :)
07:31<R0CK_>yes i know
07:32<pleb2>padski: i must be the most feared person in the world when it comes to linux then :P
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07:33<R0CK_>iptables -A input -p tcp -i eth1 –dport 25 -j DROP
07:33<R0CK_>i did this command
07:33<R0CK_>is that okay ?
07:33<stew>R0CK_: INPUT not input, and --dport not -dport
07:33<padski>R0CK_: and what do you think it means
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07:34<R0CK_>to drop any incoming connection from eth1 on 25 port.
07:34<R0CK_>is that right ?
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07:35<padski>I'll start you off: "append a rule ..."
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07:36<R0CK_>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 --dport 25 -j DROP
07:36<R0CK_>is that okay guys ?
07:36<petemc>suck it and see
07:37<R0CK_>no, I don't have choice to suck.
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07:37<R0CK_>I want to be sure.
07:37<pleb2>Anyone here use virtualbox??
07:37<petemc>R0CK_: and some anonymous person on irc telling you something would make you sure?
07:37<stew>R0CK_: yes, that looks right
07:38<padski>R0CK_: what is already in the INPUT chain ?
07:38<stew>R0CK_: taken by itself, that rule does what you want. of course if you already have something in that CHAIN which would match the traffic first, it might not work
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07:41<pleb2>When i try run my lovely new virtualbox it runs, and asks me for my name and e-mail addy. i put them in and it kills itself with the words "segmentation error" in the console. any ideas??
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07:43<padski>pleb2: do you have the source code for that ?
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07:45<padski>pleb2: I see they do an Open Source Edition now.
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07:47<pleb2>padski i dont, im using the closed version
07:48<pleb2>padski as it came with a nice debian package ;)
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07:49<pleb2>padski ive pressed X when its asking for my name and e-mail address, the registration closes but the program works fine :) i'll use it like this. It wont boot from lan tho :'( but we'll see if i can install windows, Thanks
07:50<mrio>there hasn't been any update to the repository on the last 2 or 3 days.Is there any problem about that, or is it normal?
07:50<padski>pleb2: lol, enjoy!
07:51<padski>mrio: see recent announcement
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07:51<padski>is that not in the Topic ?
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07:52<mrio>padski: ok, thanks. where do I find it?
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07:52<gsimmons>mrio: <>
07:53<mrio>gsimmons: thanks!
07:53<mrio>padski:. thanks
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08:01<padski>just found this:
08:02<padski>but it hasn't been used in a while
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08:10<pleb2>118 days lols
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08:11[~]pleb2 slaps dpkg around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
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08:14<lrp>good morning everyone here!!
08:15<lrp>do everyone here know about livedirstro software about create my own distribution of debian ??
08:16<lrp>see create a livecd with my actual configuration desktop kde office etc ..?
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08:20<lrp>any1 has do that before?
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08:22<nd>!tell lrp about live-helper
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08:24<lrp>nd i dont need a iso , i need the software to build my own livecd from my actual configuration
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08:25<nd>lrp: This can be done with live-helper. You need to feed it with your package list and copy your configuration during build time, though.
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08:26<lrp>apt-cache search live-helper (nothing can be found)
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08:27<JasonS>lrp: did you read what dpkg told you?
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08:28<lrp>in the url debian elio there is nothing about that software but some docs and isos to download
08:29<lrp>apt-cache search make-live (nothing can be found)
08:29<lrp>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'live distro' returned no results.
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08:31<nd>lrp: A live-helper package can be found in the backports archive or in lenny
08:31<lrp>debian-backports mirror?
08:33<nd>lrp: yes
08:33<lrp>nd ok 30 minutes :)
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08:39<farzad>onw two three ..testing testing
08:40<dpkg>Test Failed.
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08:40<farzad>CRC Error! hehehe
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08:45<tich>i am going to download debian and i am wondering what version to use. i run a thinkpad t61 with ubuntu 386 right now but i was thinking i could go to 64bit. would the debian version be the IA-64?
08:46<chealer>tich: no
08:46<chealer>!tell tich about ia64
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08:46<hoppel>hy, anyone else getting strange hangups since the last days lenny updates? I can't realy reproduce it, but something seems to grap randomly the keyboard and mouse focus while viewing pdf files with one of the pdf viewers (evince, kpdf, xpdf)...
08:47<tich>chealer, what iso's would work?
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08:48<chealer>tich: i386 and amd64
08:50<tich>chealer, ah. the amd64. i thought only ubuntu called it amd64 and other distros differentiated for the intel 64.
08:50<tich>thanks for the advice.
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08:54<floku>hoppel: check out these two posts on debian-user:
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09:01<hoppel>hmm, there is no 10-*-input.fdi file in the directory mentioned in the second post, but i will try to remove the whole evdev package
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09:06<hoppel>thanks for the hint, lets see if it helps :)
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09:23<hoppel>no luck :( everything hung again, i wasn't even able to kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace :/ shutdown via powerbutton still worked
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09:23<padski>hoppel: do you have a network ?
09:23<padski>(kinda silly question that)
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09:24<hoppel>yes, but nothing to ssh into the system at the moment...
09:24<padski>hoppel: can you shell into it when it does that ?
09:25<hoppel>the last time i was able to work on the text console by pressing ctrl-alt-f1, everything worked fine there
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09:25<hoppel>i tried to kill evince and some other applications i suspected to grab the focus, but that didn't helped. maybe i missed something there
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09:27<pyrohotdog>Where do I go for help with Debian PPC?
09:28<padski>pyrohotdog: there is a specific irc channel: #debianppc (here or freenode ??), or you can try here. I have a debian ppc box, but not handy
09:28<stew>pyrohotdog: here or #debianppc
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09:32<pyrohotdog>stew: Thank you. :)
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09:41<abend>hello, I don't find how to install opengl on a macbook
09:42<padski>abend: is that an ati chipset ?
09:42<abend>no intel
09:42<abend>old book core duo
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09:43<abend>I use last stable version of debian
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09:44<abend>do u have a solution ?
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09:51<padski>abend: that would be etch
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09:58<padski>abend: not sure exactly what you are after. try 'ldconfig -p | grep'
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10:06<padski>in vim, can I do something like :s/a/b/g;s/x/y/
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10:09<abend>padski > thx, but I think I found a solution from another channel, I 'm checking that
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10:09<padski>abend: enjoy!
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10:11<abend>padski > strange thing, during a compilation on core duo, one is working at 100% and the other is only at 30% and they switch for a small time
10:12<abend><padski> is dual core supported on kernel 2.6.18-5 ?
10:12<padski>abend: smp I would think
10:12<abend>smp ?
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10:13<abend>I didn t understand
10:14<padski>abend: yeah. I don;t think debian builds seperate smp kernels anymore: AFAIK it should be built-in.
10:14<dpkg>smp is, like, (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm!, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or
10:15<jthomas>how would I prevent rsync from recursing into a mounted drive? say I want to back up / to /mount/disk2/backup; i obviously don't want to backup my backup location. I am reading on the Filter rule but not understanding it.
10:16<padski>abend: you could try something along the lines of make -j2 (or whatever the syntax is) but not every build will like that.
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10:16<jthomas>are you sure? i thought the Exclude was a filename pattern and *not* a path...
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10:17<padski>jthomas: you mean like the -x argument to du ?
10:17<jthomas>not sure how du -x works so i can't say.
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10:17<Ganneff>jthomas: use it
10:17<Ganneff>jthomas: dont think. just use it. :)
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10:20<jthomas>so: rsync -a --exclude=/path/to/backup / /path/to/backup ?
10:21<jthomas>Ganneff: the reason i ask is sometime recently I watched another guy get flamed for thinking that was the solution
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10:28<jthomas>mmm k then
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10:47<anessen>Hey, I'm trying to set up a server computer that can have its CUPS managed remotely through the web interface. Problem is, it doesn't ask for password. When I try to add a printer, it tells me to go to an https link, when the cups server seems to hang.
10:48<anessen>I don't know why it is doing that, I have allowed my network IP in all the <location> sections.
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10:50<anessen>Seems easier to just turn off the encryption : /
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11:02<meandtheshell>hi folks - I am the anti-expert when it comes to ripping music resp. a movie from DVD to say .avi. Where do I go assuming I am with GNOME. Is "grip" any good?
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11:06<klumpe>whats the name of the german etch channel ?
11:07<sasha>hi in debian/testing uptodate i have a bug in gnome if i right clik -> properties on a picture or an html file , does anyone has the same ?
11:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:11<knoppix_>need some help with beryl on knoppix
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11:11<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
11:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:12<Guest4>so knoppix doesn't have its own channel?
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11:12<Eulex>yes it has
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11:13<JasonF>Is there a way to have aptitude ignore a gpg error on install automatically? We have a couple of self-rolled packages that I'm trying to script an install of.
11:13<Guest4>let me guess.........#knoppix
11:13<Eulex>freenode's #knoppix
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11:26<w00ter>Hi, i have a weird issue. I have a script which makes a backup of my MySQL database, zip's this, and FTP's it to my windows machine. Now each time it FTP's the file is corrupt when its done uploading. If i manually download the file from the server with winSCP, i can open the files just fine. Any idea whats going on here?
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11:30<padski>w00ter: ascii vs binary mode ?
11:32<w00ter>padski: would that be a server or client setting ?
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11:36<padski>w00ter: you set it in the client, but I think the default may depend on the server.
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11:37<w00ter>padski: ok thanks, will look into it!
11:37<padski>w00ter: it is certainly a pitfall doing ftp with windows and unix
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11:37<padski>w00ter: windows defaults to text unexpectedly
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11:39<w00ter>padski: i have Filezilla server on the windown machine. Will look into if i can force binary server sided, cause i cannot find an option in debian were the 'ftp' command can enforce binary
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11:39<padski>w00ter: the stock command-line ftp ?
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11:40<padski>w00ter: I reckon you just type 'binary'
11:40<w00ter>ye the stock command-line ftp
11:41<padski>lye olde ftp client ;-)
11:42<w00ter>cheers, i found it :)
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11:51<rkos>whats a good IM that works in both debian/lenny and macOSX? excluding IRC
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11:52<witte>rkos: does gaim/pidgin work in macos?
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11:53<rkos>i dont know, i dont use mac but people i know do :/
11:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:57<lontra>rkos: if they use ichat ... it's aim compatible ... so you can use kopete, gaim, or whatever
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12:04<Warp4>hi all. having an issue getting debian to accept incoming connections, however outgoing connections work just fine. check the network configuration as far as i could but still no go. no changes have been made to the switch that this particular server is connected to in months and everything else works fine.
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12:04<padski>Warp4: tried using tcpdump ?
12:05<padski>Warp4: is there a firewall ?
12:05<rkos>whats a good nero/a120% substitue for debian/lenny?
12:06<padski>rkos: k3b
12:06<berto>rkos: k3b
12:06<dpkg>rumour has it, k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or, or 'teh uber'!
12:06<rkos>is it in the debian repo?
12:07<lontra>rkos: apt-cache search <package>
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12:10<Warp4>rkos 'apt-get install k3b'
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12:10<rkos>yeah found it already
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12:17<Warp4>padski tcpdump didnt show anything coming across on port 22
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12:19<padski>Warp4: I see incoming packets even when the port is blocked in the firewall
12:20<padski>Warp4: you say outgoing connections are fine ?
12:20<padski>Warp4: that's return traffic too ?
12:21<padski>Warp4: and that's just a switch ?
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12:22<rkos>hey, i think im having some soundcard related issues
12:23<rkos>i cant hear any sounds in pidgin
12:23<rkos>and sometimes i cant hear any sounds in the webrowser
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12:24<rkos>any idea what might be the fix?
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12:25<dpkg>hmm... sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
12:26<padski>rkos: I have abad time with sound too, but the bot is all-knowing ;-)
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12:27<rkos>so what should i ask the bot
12:27<padski>rkos: do "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" in your irc client
12:28<rkos>xmms works fine but then i dont hear any sounds, if i close it and then i will hear sounds in epiphany and firefox will still be buggy
12:28<rkos>and if i try to reopen xmms and play something it will complain about a program blocking the soundcard or something
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12:29<padski>rkos: hmm ... oss ?
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12:30<dpkg>[oss] an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. ( for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound
12:31<padski>iirc oss would do that.
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12:31<rkos>im not following you anymore, but i did the alsaconf thing, should i relog now or what?
12:32<rkos>and how do i add my user to the audio group
12:32<padski>man adduser
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12:33<padski>sorry, its something like usermod -G audio foo
12:34<dpkg>methinks foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
12:35<padski>whoever your user is
12:35<rkos>now do i relog?
12:35<rkos>as i lost all sound with the asaconf thing
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12:36<rkos>probably yes
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12:39<rkos>cant still play a mp3 on xmms while playing a flash video
12:40<rkos>and pidgin sounds work when xmms is off but not when its playing something :/
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12:41<padski>rkos: xmms is kinda old ... how is it accesssing the sound device (look in the config)
12:42<rkos>what config
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12:44<rkos>what other than xmms should i use then
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12:46<Eulex>rkos, right-click almost anywhere in the ui, choose options ->settings, check what sound output plugin you're using
12:46<padski>rkos: preferences, audio i/o plugins, output plugin. but, I have no idea whether this is heading in the right direction to solve your problem :-(
12:47<rkos>oss driver 1.2.10
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12:48<padski>ctrl-p should open the prefs dialog
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12:48<padski>rkos: you could try the alsa one
12:49<rkos>how do i do that
12:49<padski>rkos: are you pulling my leg ?
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12:50<rkos>nah, its just my second day of using anything other than windows/mac
12:51<rkos>oh nvm found it
12:51<padski>rkos: its a combo box. in a very old style (motif?)
12:51<rkos>didnt look like i could press it at first
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12:52<cico>when I do aptitude update, I get that "linux-image-2.6.18-5-486" has been KEPT back. when I do aptitude dist-upgrade, it says that "linux-image-2.6.18-5-486" is a NEW package that will be installed. why?
12:52<rkos>awesome it works
12:52<GhostlyDeath>See what 3D controls do to people
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12:52<padski>rkos: I am amazed, but glad :-)
12:53<padski>GhostlyDeath: I blame the mouse
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12:54<doofy>Anyone running Opera under debian and got flash working properly?
12:54<njubi___>Hi, I just connected a WinXP SATA to my Deb Etch. During the booting sequence it says: ""Begin: Waiting for root fily system... ..." How long do I have to wait for? thanks
12:55<GhostlyDeath>WinXP SATA?
12:55<fxiny>doofy: yes
12:55<GhostlyDeath>NTFS 3.1?
12:56<njubi___>it says now "cant access tty; job control turned off"
12:56<doofy>fxiny: Did you get the flashplayer from non-free sources? Or how did you do it?
12:56<njubi___>yeah its a SATA WinXP Prof HDD
12:56<fxiny>doofy: i've done nothing at all
12:56<chealer>cico: are you sure it doesn't say that linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 has been kept back?
12:56<GhostlyDeath>Could be boot conflicts
12:56<padski>njubi___: what order are the disks detected in ?
12:56<njubi___>how to solve?
12:57<cico>chealer: on upgrade it says, on dist-upgrade it doesn't. instead, it says, it will install the new package.
12:57<njubi___>1. HDD IDE 1 2. HDD IDE 2 3. HDD SATA
12:57<fxiny>doofy: lemme double check cause i don't use it too much
12:57<chealer>cico: please paste the outputs you're referring to
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12:59<fxiny>doofy: opera takes flash from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins . this is a sarge2etch upgraded box . i belive you can tell opera to get flash anywhere you put it . > content> plugin options
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13:00<padski>njubi___: sounds like my initial guess would be wrong then. I have to go now, someone else will help you, good luck.
13:01<njubi___>thanks anyway
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13:02<njubi___>anybody an idea?
13:02<doofy>fxiny: thanks
13:02<fxiny>doofy: np , does it work ?
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13:03<chealer>cico: linux-image-2.6-486 is not the same as linux-image-2.6.18-5-486
13:06<cico>chealer: ok, in dist-upgrade linux-image-2.6-486 is getting upgraded as a result of which its dependency linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 is getting installed, while in upgrade it is kept back. why a difference in behavior?
13:07<chealer>cico: dist-upgrade is not the same thing as upgrade.
13:07<doofy>fxiny: I'm in the middle of philosophy so I havent had any chance to test it :)
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13:07<doofy>fxiny: i'll get back to you later
13:07<fxiny>doofy: hahaha : ask plato :))
13:08[~]fxiny checks firebug3.0b1
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13:10<jeremiah>What is a good way to get ssh to tunnel over port 80 so I can get out from behind a corporate firewall?
13:10<jeremiah>I have looked on the net a bit but nothing seems to be useful.
13:11<jeremiah>Do I need to have port 80 open on the remote machine as well?
13:11<weasel>have an ssh listen on port 443.
13:11<weasel>use that.
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13:12<Myon>jeremiah: well, yes, port 80 is port 80
13:12<jeremiah>weasel: so just change my sshd on my remote machine to listen on 443 and then tunnel out from inside the firewall using port 443?
13:12<Myon>sshd can listen on several ports
13:12<jeremiah>Myon: You can see I am not really grokking things well here. :-)
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13:12<kevinl> /newserver
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13:13<taz_>im wondering which best os for linux ?
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13:13<jeremiah>I just thought I could tell ssh to go out via the proxy and end up at port 22 on the remote machine somehow.
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13:14<jeremiah>like local:80 -> remote:22
13:14<Myon>your proxy might support CONNECT
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13:14<jeremiah>Myon: But then I will need admin permission to hack on the proxy no?
13:14<jeremiah>i.e. to set up "CONNECT"
13:14<Myon>jeremiah: you can use source port 80, but your proxy won't be impressed much as it doesn't listen on the destination port
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13:15<Myon>it could already support it, but most likely it is restricted to SSL ports
13:15<jeremiah>maybe that is why weasel said to use port 443
13:16<Myon>well at the beginning you said firewall
13:16<jeremiah>sorry, I meant to say proxy
13:16<Myon>which kind of implies you can connect to the whole net:80
13:16<njubi___>anybody an idea for my prob?
13:16<Myon>proxy is more difficult
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13:17<jeremiah>Weird because I just configure putty for the Windows box but there is no similar interface for ssh on the linux machine
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13:17<Myon>ssh -o something
13:17<jeremiah>That is why I thought it was simply a matter of informing ssh of the proxy and off we go
13:18<jeremiah>I looked at that, didn't seem to work for me, but I better look more closely at the docs. Thanks!
13:18<Myon>and there's evil daemons that will tunnel raw IP over http
13:19<jeremiah>heh, that may be the way to go. =)
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13:20<taz_>any one know about videocard will work with linux ??
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13:22<Supaplex>buy me one and I'll tell you how I got it working ;)
13:22<dpkg>[hcl] at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
13:22<njubi___>@dpkg: is that info for me?
13:23<jeremiah>dpkg is a robot
13:23<njubi___>but who's that info for?
13:23<Supaplex>it's for taz_
13:23<njubi___>k, thx
13:24<taz_>let me look at website ok
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13:25<taz_>it help.. thx
13:27<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:29<doofy>fxiny: perhaps I should
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13:29<miro>spricht jemand deutsch?
13:30<chealer>!tell miro about de
13:31<miro>ich brauche hilfe, hab ein merlin u740 modem, debian und weiss nicht wie ich alles zusammen fassen
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13:31<miro>hallo chealer
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13:39<Azoff>has anyone of you got tomcat5.5 working on etch?
13:39<fxiny>bloody hell ! the "$" keys is shrinking . i'll ring wall street to stop it !::))
13:40<Azoff>I can't manage to be able to reload a webapp without either a) restart tomcat (all webapps or b) enable some autoload on class
13:40<miro>i need help-i have merlin u740 modem and some problem with instalation
13:41<miro>kann somebody help my
13:41<fxiny>merlin ? as morgana :P
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13:45<njubi___>help, my Debian is not botuing anymore
13:45<Supaplex>!tell njubi___ -about ask
13:46<angryGhost>njubi___: what did you do exactly?
13:47<fxiny>blaming a windows resinstall is a safe bet :P
13:48<njubi___>i put a SATA WinXPProf to my Debian System
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13:49<njubi___>Now nothing works at all anymore, Debian doesnt boot, says:Check root=bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev
13:49<njubi___>ALERT! /dev/hdd1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
13:49<njubi___>(initramf s)
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13:49<chealer>!win fxiny
13:49<dpkg>Congratulations, fxiny! You have won the US presidency!
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13:50<doofy>fxiny: hm, nope, still shows flash 4 :/
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13:52<fxiny>chealer: heheheh : you at the treasury and Supa at the entertainment&booze : i'll get all winblows off the oval as soon as i'm in office :P
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13:54<fxiny>doofy: flash 4 ? is a bit old
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13:56<doofy>fxiny: that's what opera tells me I am having
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13:56<chealer>fxiny: hehehe. I suppose you're joking, without a war minister^W^Wsecretary of state.
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13:57<Jusic>is there a german channel
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13:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:57<taz_>seem it Linux don't need key production???
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14:01<fxiny>chealer: ok : Supaplex demoted form entertainment&booze , he goes to the war job as c&c commander chief so we are safe . still checking for the secretary position in my pr0n colection : i'm open to suggestions :P
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14:02<patricio>hey guys, I am using a 'data enclosure' whic connects via USB do I go about to access that drive and view the contents on that drive?
14:03<chealer>patricio: did you try plugging it?
14:03<patricio>chealer: of course I did......and nothing happened......did not 'recognize' anything......
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14:03<chealer>patricio: which X session type do you use?
14:04<patricio>chealer: kde
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14:04<patricio>chealer: I can look at the 'disks' under my 'settings' menu......and it is there......but how do I access it?
14:05<kevinl>could someone remind me, where it is configured to change the number of text virtual terminals that are created on boot?
14:05<fxiny>doofy: change path > add remove . flashplayer-mozilla version is
14:05<chealer>patricio: hum, what's that program?
14:05<patricio>chealer: nautilus?
14:07<chealer>patricio: maybe...did you check in konqueror Storage Media?
14:07<patricio>chealer: no......
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14:08<doofy>fxiny: I got it working, i installed firefox, installed the flashplayer for firefox, moved the libfile to my opera-pluginfolder and then removed firefox :)
14:08<fxiny>doofy: tools > preferences > advanced > content > plugin options click on/hilight flash and then >change path
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14:09<chealer>kevinl: did you check inittab?
14:09<doofy>fxiny: thanks
14:09<fxiny>doofy: removed iceweasel ? latest opera version (9.24-20071015.6) hangs and crashes may times on my box
14:09<patricio>chealer: not there
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14:10<chealer>patricio: only see your permanent partitions in Storage Media? which Debian suite do you use&
14:10<doofy>fxiny: I've never experienced problems with Opera.. yet :)
14:11<doofy>knock on wood.
14:11<fxiny>doofy: me too before
14:11<fxiny>doofy: i'm surprised
14:11<patricio>chealer: Debian Suite?
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14:11<kevinl>chealer, ya i think this is it. thanks
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14:12<contrast83>Greets, everyone... I'm having a problem with my nVidia card. I'm pretty sure I installed the driver properly (per the instructions here - ), but I can't get composite working, and I know this card supports it. Any ideas?
14:12<chealer>patricio: release, version, distributions, branch...
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14:12<fxiny>doofy: but honestly , since etch gets all iceweasel upgrades so quickly (comparing to sarge) i don't use opera
14:13<chealer>contrast83: nvidia-installer isn't supported here
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14:13<patricio>chealer: heck with a headache and really dont feel like it this afternoon.......I may try to tackle it later on this week.......thank you so much for the attempt though.......
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14:13<contrast83>chealer: You mean the one from their site?
14:13<chealer>patricio: no problem
14:13<patricio>chealer: it seems a lil much for me today
14:13<chealer>contrast83: yes
14:13<doofy>fxiny: well, i still like opera > ice
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14:14<contrast83>chealer: OK... So what would you suggest instead?
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14:15<fxiny>doofy: oh yes is very fast
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14:17<chealer>contrast83: does 1.0.8776 support your card and compositing?
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14:18<contrast83>I'm not sure. I used the version of the driver nVidia's site pointed me to after I put in my card's model (FX5500).
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14:24<contrast83>I'm on Lenny, so there's no nvidia-glx-legacy package. How much trouble am I asking for if I just download another release's version of the package and try that?
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14:25<chealer>contrast83: is it a Quadro?
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14:25<contrast83>Umm... Not sure.
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14:26<chealer>contrast83: how does lspci describe it?
14:27<contrast83>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
14:27<contrast83>So no, I guess.
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14:31<contrast83>I installed from the minimal CD. Do you think that could have anything to do with this?
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14:32<chealer>contrast83: indeed. the card is supported.
14:32<chealer>contrast83: no
14:33<chealer>contrast83: I think using nvidia-graphics-drivers 1.0.8776-4 would work
14:33<chealer>the binary packages from stable.
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14:34<chealer>as long as it supports compositing, which I have no idea about.
14:34<hemoglobin>which is the correct way to install codecs ? I used automatix, but I think it is very noobish :-D
14:35<contrast83>chealer: You mean the driver, or the card?
14:35<fxiny>hemoglobin: what debian version are you runinng ?
14:36<hemoglobin>but, it is updated from etch
14:36<dpkg>Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia. Ubuntu also dislikes it:
14:36<chealer>contrast83: the driver version
14:37<chealer>hemoglobin: which codecs?
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14:38<fxiny> !debian-multimedia.lenny
14:38<hemoglobin>chealer: win32,mp3, divx... all what you need to play all videos and audios files
14:38<hemoglobin>fxiny ?
14:38<contrast83>Ok, I'm gonna go try that. BB in a bit, thanks chealer
14:39<chealer>hemoglobin: win32 is not really a codec, but...
14:39<fxiny>hemoglobin: i'm on etch : w32codecs are from
14:39<chealer>!tell hemoglobin about w32codecs
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14:39<contrast83>hemoglobin: Add "non-free" to the end of the lines that start with "deb" in your sources.list. Then you should be able to just apt-get install w32codecs
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14:40<chealer>hemoglobin: for mp3, just install the appropriate package
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14:40<chealer>hemoglobin: contrast83 was wrong (Debian doesn't distribute w32codecs)
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14:44<hemoglobin>how to ask dpkg about <debian-multimedia> ?
14:44<contrast83>!info debian-multimedia
14:44<fxiny> !debian-multimedia.etch
14:44<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
14:45<fxiny>no lenny :)
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14:45<chealer>hemoglobin: write "debian-multimedia" to dpkg
14:45<contrast83>chealer: That's not gonna work, since that package depends on the 2.6.18 kernel and Lenny uses 2.6.22.
14:45<chealer>contrast83: which one?
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14:46<chealer>contrast83: it doesn't
14:46<contrast83>Indirectly, yeah, it does.
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14:47<jthomas>I have a new USB drive (1GB flash); i formatted it with "mkfs.vfat -n eljefe.usb -F32 /dev/sda1" and now when I plug it in I get the dmesg error: "FAT: Unrecognized mount option "flush" or missing value" This is on a Lenny sys with the Etch kernel and KDE
14:47<jthomas>how can I fix this?
14:47<chealer>contrast83: what's the path?
14:47<contrast83>Oh, one sec...
14:48<hemoglobin>I need convert video for PSP ... have someone experience with that ?
14:48<contrast83>chealer: nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486, which depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
14:49<chealer>contrast83: nvidia-glx doesn't depend on nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486
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14:53<floku>jthomas: can you mount it manually with pmount?
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14:53<fxiny>833.50 ?? , to buy an once of gold it takes more then an ounce of paper(doll$) :P
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14:54<jthomas>floku: pmount /dev/sda1 /home/jthomas/images // Error: '/' must not occur in label name
14:54<fxiny>the world goes crazy :P
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14:54<floku>jthomas: just type "pmount /dev/sda1" (it will be mounted under /media.)
14:55<jthomas>yes that worked ...
14:55<contrast83>Can someone please help me get the driver for my nVidia FX5500 properly installed on Lenny?
14:55<jthomas>KDE spits this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
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14:55<floku>jthomas: is there an icon now on your KDE desktop?
14:56<jthomas>KDE's HAL or Automount or something isn't doing it tho; how could I fix that?
14:56<floku>jthomas: right click on it, choose "Properties" and search for a "Flush" option that you can uncheck.
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14:57<jthomas>floku: no suck option :(
14:58<jthomas>floku: if i try to unmount it with KDE, I get: Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sda1 (/dev/sda1) named '1.0G Removable Media' and currently mounted at /media/sda1 could not be unmounted. Unmounting failed due to the following error: Cannot open /media/.hal-mtab
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14:58<jthomas>I only have a .hal-mtab-lock
14:59<floku>jthomas: try "pumount /dev/sda1" and then "pmount -t vfat /dev/sda1"
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15:00<jthomas>it unmounted, and mounted. but using KDE's Safely Remove its the same erropr as before...
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15:00<jthomas>Cannot open /media/.hal-mtab
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15:02<floku>jthomas: right-click on the icon, properties, then find the "Mounting" tab. It should have a "Flushed IO" option.
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15:03<jthomas>its not actually on my desktop just on my Kicker
15:03<jthomas>kicker doesn't have these options
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15:04<jthomas>floku: back in 5 min, sorry to kleave you when you're helping me but i am working
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15:07<mildner>I need help for fstab
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15:09<DawnLight>i need to pass a boot parameter but i don't use grub since i installed using debian.exe. it does have a way to pass parameters to the debian installer. something in the syntax like "interface=auto vga=normal". can i use that to enable the pppoe configuration in the installer?
15:09<DawnLight>!tell mildner about ask
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15:11<jthomas>floku: back thanks
15:11<floku>jthomas: start konqueror, type "media:/" in the location bar and hit ENTER; this should give you a device icon for the stick with the full right-click menu.
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15:12<jthomas>and turn off Flush I/O ?
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15:12<floku>jthomas: yes, I hope this will help. Then pumount it, unplug, plug in again and hope for the best.
15:13<jthomas>floku: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
15:13<jthomas>FAT: Unrecognized mount option "flush" or missing value
15:13<floku>jthomas: is that after pluggin it in again?
15:13<jthomas>dmesg ^^
15:14<floku>jthomas: did you press OK or Apply after unchecking the flush I/O option?
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15:14<jthomas>lemme try again
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15:14<DawnLight>is there a udeb preseed line to enable pppoe configuration in the debian installer?
15:15<jthomas>yes, i had. if i re-pmount -t vfat the device, the Flushed IO is unchecked
15:15<xota>hi! If I edit the /etc/apt/sources.list I need to write universe multiverse on the non-security feeds??? I don't know how download universe/multiverse packages
15:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
15:16<floku>jthomas: Is automatic mounting checked?
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15:16<jthomas>yes it is
15:16<schwarting02>Hey, hat jemand 2 Minuten Zeit? Ich brauche mal jemanden der mir helfen kann bezüglich der verfügbaren Monitorauflösungen für x-server. Ich habe gestern debian über vmware installiert und xenosIstefan aus diesem Channel hat mir dann per vnc geholfen den Monitor richtig zu konfigurieren. (der wurde vorher nicht erkannt) Doch jetzt ist die Auflösung begrent auf 1024mal768 obwohl mein Monitor 1680 mal 1050 (widescreen unterstützt
15:16<floku>jthomas: Try to uncheck it, pumount, unplug/replug...still an error message?
15:17<jthomas>sorry, it is UNchecked; thats what I thought you had asked
15:17<floku>jthomas: which version of the kernel are you running?
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15:18<jthomas>with a Lenny system
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15:18<floku>jthomas: I seem to recall that "flush" needs a newer kernel; however I think there is another problem since it does not seem to recognize the vfat filesystem on its own.
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15:19<floku>jthomas: do you have another USB stick to try out?
15:19<jthomas>ok but these drives worked before the newer kernel issue, so how do i do it the 'old way' ?
15:19<jthomas>hmmm one minute
15:19<mildner>what do I need to change on the line in fstab:---->/dev/sda1 /home/mildner/HD500 ext3 auto rw, 0 2
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15:19<jthomas>mildner: spaces?
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15:20<mildner>jthomas: what do you mean by spaces
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15:21<jthomas>mildner: in what you pasted there aer no spaces in between /dev/sda1 /home/mildner... ext3 auto,rw 0 2
15:21<mildner>jthomas. is tab in between
15:21<jthomas>floku: same issue with a coworkers drive; the VFAT part gets the same error; the ext3 partition mounts fine tho
15:22<jthomas>mildner: that works too
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15:22<floku>jthomas: but, if I understand you correctly, vfat sticks worked earlier for you?
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15:23<jthomas>in the past, yes... not since i installed this Debian system have I tried it
15:23<mildner>jthomas: but its wrong ....compter tells me a bad line#
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15:23<jthomas>hey i plugged my drive into a diff usb drive and it came up as /dev/sdb1 and its working here..
15:23<chealer>DawnLight: did you check the install guide?
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15:23<floku>jthomas: I think the flush issue is not critical, we have to find out why it does not recognize the vfat filesystem
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15:24<jthomas>hey i plugged my drive into a diff usb drive and it came up as /dev/sdb1 and it did work
15:24<jthomas>back into the first port...
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15:24<jthomas>what the heck its working now
15:24<jthomas>again as sdb1 tho
15:24<jthomas>not sure whats going on with that
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15:25<aricz>Hi. I just did the latest debian upgrade. Now, after this upgrade, whenever I start Warsow (a game) it restarts X. I know, no details, but do anyone know where I should look for the solution?
15:25<jthomas>my mtab has two entries:
15:25<jthomas> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
15:25<jthomas> /dev/sdb1 /media/disk vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower 0 0
15:25<mark_w>How can I make udev mount a usb device (a NI-USB6008 microcontroller in my case) with 666 permissions? It currently mounts with 664.
15:25<jthomas>second is much shorter
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15:26<jthomas>if i reboot does mtab clear out? and i'll get these issues again maybe?
15:26<floku>jthomas: try to comment out both mtab entries; it should work automatically without them. (make sure your user is in the plugdev group)
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15:27<Supaplex>jthomas: or symlink mtab to /proc/mounts
15:27<jthomas>how do i check if i am in that group (udev)
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15:27<floku>jthomas: groups jthomas (or whatever your username is)
15:28<jthomas>plugdev but not udev
15:28<chealer>aricz: which X driver do you use?
15:29<floku>jthomas: or even just "groups" if you are logged in as your normal user
15:29<aricz>chealer : I don't know.. gdm? hehe
15:29<jthomas>i commented out the mtab line (the second one disappeared) and it worked again, but again as sdb1
15:29<chealer>aricz: no, that's a display manager.
15:29<aricz>yes, I'm a newbie, have had non problemo with debian until now.. and it's just this game
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15:30<floku>jthomas: the point of "pmount" is that it will not matter which sd?1 is assigned to the drive, that is the whole point of it (see "man pmount")
15:30<jthomas>sdb is fine i suppose, just wondering why its not sda1.
15:31<floku>jthomas: KDE uses this mechanism so that the user does not have to put entries for every possible sd? into his/her fstab
15:31<jthomas>but it would then mount at nerw places rather than at the lable
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15:31<aricz>chealer : nvidia? and if that's the wrong answer, what do you mean by 'X driver' :)
15:32<jthomas>i'd rather have it mount at /media/jthomas or whatever the device is named.
15:32<floku>jthomas: udev thought that sda was taken already; maybe due to some "unfinished business" that our fiddling left behind.
15:32<jthomas>but again, i can live with it for now if there isn't a way to mount it with the label
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15:32<jthomas>also wondering why the default icon is an ipod, can i change that? if i right-click on the device in media:/ its jsut a USB device icon, not iPod, so that won't be the place to change it
15:32<floku>jthomas: does the vfat system have this label?
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15:33<jthomas>i gave it one when i formatted it, so its supposed to...
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15:33<jthomas>mkfs.vfat -F32 -n jthomas /dev/sda1
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15:34<aricz>chealer : second thought that can't be the answer you're looking for;) but to tell some more, I start the game from console, it loads the files, and just as it is changing gfx-mode it restarts X. And I have no clue where to look for an answer..
15:34<floku>jthomas: check with "/lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sdb1" (needs root); this is how udev sees the drive.
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15:35<jthomas>ID_FS_LABEL= its blank :(
15:35<chealer>aricz: if it's an nvidia bug, you could try another version of the driver.
15:35<jthomas>ok then how do i give it one, if not with the -n flag?
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15:36<aricz>chealer : it worked until the update.. so you suggests I just install another nvidiadriver? ... hmshms :)
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15:36<chealer>aricz: well you probably don't have the same version now that you updated. which version do you use?
15:36<mildner>jthomas: it tells me always line 8 is bad
15:37<floku>jthomas: I think the -n flag should work, but it's been a long time since I formatted a vfat stick
15:37<jthomas>mildner: if the type wrong? replace ext3 with auto and try again?
15:38<jthomas>not sure either i guess. any way to not have it pop up as an iPod by KDE?
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15:39<floku>jthomas: no clue, my vfat usb stick has the usb stick icon, not the ipod one (I am on Sid though)
15:39<jthomas>hmm. i don't think its that new of an issue tho, that i'd need sid.
15:39<jthomas>again, its working. thanks a lot floku for the support!
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15:40<mildner>how can I recover data from lost+found?
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15:41<aricz>chealer : Nvidia driver version 1.0-9639
15:41<floku>jthomas: no problem; maybe the label will work if you try to format it again
15:41<chealer>aricz: which Debian suite do you use?
15:42<xota>I'm installing bcm43xx-fwcutter and in the --configure process can't download de wl_apsta.o, how can i do?
15:42<floku>earlier you mentioned "mkfs.vfat -n eljefe.usb -F32 /dev/sda1", maybe the eljefe.usb does not work (the dot specifically)
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15:42<Supaplex>mildner: with file, mv, less
15:42<jthomas>good point; i thought it might be vfat-compat but it may not be after all...
15:43<mildner>Supaplex: it is a second HD ext3
15:43<aricz>chealer : what's the Debian suite? I'm using non-free if that's what you mean...
15:43<chealer>aricz: no, what's your Debian version, branch, release...?
15:43<aricz>the newest.. hehe, stable
15:44<Supaplex>mildner: you'll have to figure out what the files are, then move them to where they belong. run 'file' on them to see what types of files they are detected as.
15:44<chealer>aricz: which version is that?
15:44<aricz>etch? jesus.. I can't even remember what OS I'm running.. sad
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15:44<chealer>aricz: what does $ cat /etc/debian_version; output?
15:44<aricz>mm.. 4.0 :)
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15:45<chealer>aricz: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
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15:45<aricz>getting the drivers from nvidia.. their linuxinstaller
15:45<chealer>aricz: that's not supported here.
15:46<Supaplex>uninstall then msg dpkg nvidia
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15:47<geronimo_>hello. I have a question about ssh. How do I run it on a different port?
15:47<jthomas>floku: yes now the name works but mounting is broken again...
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15:48<jthomas>and working again, but back as the sdb1...
15:48<floku>jthomas: OK, once more: step 1: are you a member of the plugdev group?
15:48<aricz>isj.. why did I update when it was all fine..... tatua
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15:48<jthomas>plugdev yes; udev no.
15:48<boot>buenas nochees
15:48<jthomas>buenos nachos indeed
15:49<floku>jthomas: step 2: did you comment out all fstab entries related to removabel devices?
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15:50<floku>jthomas: and it still does not work as long as it is sda1?
15:50<jthomas>now its mounting as sdc1
15:50<chealer>geronimo_: did you check the documentation?
15:51<jthomas>its mounting, but only once did it mount as /media/eljefe
15:51<floku>jthomas: how do you unmount it inbetween?
15:51<jthomas>KDE's Safely Remove
15:52<floku>jthomas: what I would try is to log out from KDE, run "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" from a terminal and then log in again.
15:52<jthomas>too much going on here for that right now... will a reboot accomplish the same? cause I can do that later...
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15:52<jthomas>and i generally shut down at night anyway
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15:53<floku>jthomas: reboot is even more thorough to clear out everything, of course
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15:53<jthomas>yeah, well i can do what i need no matter where its mounted, at this point.
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15:54<floku>jthomas: no problem; in principle it should always choose the first free sd? device and be accessible under /media/eljefe
15:54<jthomas>it may be like that tomorrow :)
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15:55<jthomas>mildner: any luck?
15:55<floku>let's hope...
15:55<mildner>jthomas: :-( no
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15:56<floku>mildner: Is that still thye same problem from a few days ago? (Sunday?)
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15:56<mildner>floku: yes
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15:57<floku>mildner: As far as I could tell then, the drive was mounted properly in the end. You still cannot find the files which should be on there?
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15:57<dennis_>if have mu computer now on gigabit siwtch only but still slow speeds now 5 MiB/s . But how do i enable jumbo frames anyway?
15:57<mildner>floku: right
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15:58<mildner>floku: the data is to importand for me...I will try everything
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15:59<mildner>floku: but I was traveling in the meantime thats why I couldnt work on it
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16:00<floku>mildner: use "cd /home/mildner/HD500" to go to the mountpoint, then use "su" to become root, and run "find".
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16:01<floku>This should list all files it can find on there, inluding hidden ones.
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16:02<dennis_>how to enbale jumbo frame to increase the MTU?
16:02<mildner>floku: should I copy the output?
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16:03<alberto>alguien habla español?
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16:03<floku>mildner: If you want you can paste it to one of the paste sites (unless the filenames are confidential or something)
16:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:03<alberto>ok, gracias
16:04<mildner>floku: just that---->./.Trash-root/Namenloser Ordner
16:04<alberto>thanks for link, bye
16:04<floku>mildner: it can only find a namless and empty folder?
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16:04<floku>lost+found is gone now, too?
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16:06<mildner>floku: I stored everythin in one folder....and as I said the Disk manager tells me 465,76 GiB (429,59 GiB Free)
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16:07<floku>mildner: did you fsck the drive already?
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16:07<mildner>floku: yes the system did it after 30 times booting
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16:09<floku>mildner: If fsck did not find any errors, then I really don't know where the data could be.
16:10<floku>floku: you could check out "apt-cache show testdisk", it is a suite of tools to recover files
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16:10<floku>mildner: also, where did lost+found go?
16:10<mildner>floku: I will explain what I did
16:12<rkos>hey, whats a good wma to mp3 converter?
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16:13<mildner>Floku: I have 2 HD and copied all the data from one folder onto the big 500 HD after that (I worked with it for weeks) than I reinstalled on the smaller first HD the lenny system new but I did nothing with the big 500
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16:14<floku>mildner: how did you copy the data?
16:14<mildner>floku: the only change I mounted formerly the big 500 under a different foldername
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16:15<floku>mildner: so the data "vanished suddenly"?
16:15<mildner>floku: with Konquerer
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16:15<emiliano>i would like to know if someone can tell me why is unreachable?
16:15<dennis_>can somebody tell me how to fix slow gigabit network?
16:16<rkos>so are there any programs for debian that can convert wma to mp3?
16:16<blarson>emiliano: down due to disk failures.
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16:16<mildner>floku: after I reinstalled the first HD completly I didn't acces the big 500 not because I forgot how to change the fstab but when I changed the fsatb with your help I am in that situation
16:17<floku>mildner: Is the lost+found still there?
16:17<mildner>floku: dont missunderstand it....I am not saying its your fold ggg
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16:19<floku>mildner: don't worry, i did not misunderstand you :)
16:19<floku>I am wondering why the lost+found did not show up with the find command
16:21<emiliano>thank you blarson
16:21<mildner>you like to see the output of df -h ?
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16:21<floku>mildner: that would maybe help, also the output of "mount" again
16:22<mildner>please send me the link to place the output
16:22<floku>!tell mildner about paste
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16:28<floku>mildner: It all looks OK. Can you now tell me if lost+found is still in the HD500 directory?
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16:29<floku>mildner: why did it not show up with find? Try this: "find /home/mildner/HD500/"
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16:31<floku>mildner: I really don't get it, so let's try something else: Do you remember the eaxct name of one of the missing files?
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16:32<mildner>floku: the first Folder where everything is in is called "Daten"
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16:33<ChaosR>how do I make GTK application look decent when using KDE on debian, I remember kubuntu had a built-in option for it
16:33<floku>mildner: "find / -name Daten" will search your entire filesystem for soemthing named "Daten".
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16:35<floku>ChaosR: maybe the package "gtk-qt-engine" will help.
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16:36<ChaosR>floku: does it require a xserver reboot to start working?
16:37<mildner>floku: nothing :( should I try a different name
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16:38<floku>ChaosR: IIRC, you can configure it in the control center after installation, it should tell you whether you have to restart X after changing a setting
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16:39<floku>mildner: crazy idea: try to unmount /dev/sda1 then check /home/mildner/HD500 again.
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16:40<mildner>floku: please tell me to unmount
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16:40<floku>mildner: as root: "umount /dev/sda1", then check in the output of "mount" that it is really gone.
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16:42<mildner>floku: iss gone
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16:43<floku>mildner: try the last find command again
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16:50<mildner>floku: nothing
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16:51<floku>mildner: hm, what else to check? Can you paste the output of "cat /proc/partitions"?
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16:54<floku>mildner: what is hda5, your swap partition?
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16:57<xota>hi! on debian testing I have a 2.14 gnome desktop. It's possible?!?
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16:58<floku>mildner: How and where did you mount the sda drive when you copied the files (before you reinstalled Debian on hda)?
16:59<chealer>xota: it's possible that part of your GNOME desktop is at version 2.14, yes.
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17:00<xota>ok chealer, I think thtat testing have the 2.20 because on distrowath I see libgnome at 2.20 version
17:01<Eulex>gnome is not just libgnome
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17:02<Eulex>for example, gnome-panel is 2.18
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17:02<xota>yes, this is my error ;p but easy to fix: upgrade to unstable ;)
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17:02<Eulex>unstable is not a 'fix'
17:02<mildner>floku: I said yes to hda5, how can I have a look at hda5 I will see whats on there
17:03<Alucar>is there some place I can watch the progress of 2.6.23 getting into Sid?
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17:03<floku>mildner: let me see the output of "fdisk -l /dev/hda" (needs root).
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17:05<Eulex>xota, what you're seeing is very normal. components of gnome 2.20 have not come inte testing due to various reasons. that doesn't prevent the ones that are in testing from working.
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17:05<floku>mildner: yep, hda5 is a normal swap partition
17:06<floku>mildner: Are you sure the sda drive was mounted properly when you tried to copy the files to it?
17:06<xota>Eulex, how can I upgrade to unstable? only changin testing on /etc/apt/sources.list with unstable and aptitude update; aptitude upgrade?
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17:07<mildner>floku: I lost my confidence now :(
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17:08<Eulex>xota, a general principle is that if you really need to ask, you should not.
17:08<floku>mildner: You see, if the drive was not really mounted, then you would have copied the files to the mountpoint, i.e. a normal directory on the hda disk.
17:08<mildner>floku: but korrent was running I saw filmes I saw more then 1000 fotos how can it be copied wrongly
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17:09<xota>Eulex, I ask because I am not very secure of that. On ubuntu for example is used update-manager -c better than do this
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17:10<floku>mildner: If you copy something to /home/mildner/HD500 now (with sda not mounted) then the files will just end up in the HD500 directory on hda.
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17:11<mildner>floku: I understand so I copied it into a folder what later was overwritten
17:12<floku>konqueror cannot tell the difference, only "mount" or "df -h" will tell you if "HD500" means the directory on hda (the mountpoint) or the filesystem on sda1 (when it is mounted).
17:12<Eulex>xota, unstable is for developers and testers. that said, it does in general work, but eventually it will break for you. you should be aware of that you should also know how to handle the packaging management in debian, and especially how to fix stuff when it breaks. if you're able to run unstable, you should not need to ask how to upgrade to it.
17:12<floku>mildner: I am afarid this is what could have happened; do you have a backup?
17:13<mildner>no :(
17:13<Eulex>xota, also note that if you upgrade to unstable, you will not get support from this channel.
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17:14<xota>ok Eulex, thanks
17:14<floku>mildner: Please, always make a backup of all important data. Even if you make no mistakes and all software is bug free, then a harddrive can still fail suddenly and everything on there is gone.
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17:15<bruno_>hello, can someone help me to install a wireless card in my debian??
17:15<chealer>bruno_: ask your question.
17:15<mildner>floku: can I paste a screenpicture on the debian web?
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17:16<floku>mildner: use e.g.
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17:17<bruno_>chealer, I have a ratlink rt61 2561 and I downloaded the file from their website, but when I am having trouble to install it
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17:18<bruno_>chealer, I am trying to install it from command-line
17:19<bruno_>and when I try to "make all" this happens:
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17:23<floku>mildner: what happens if you click the "Browse" button. (I have never used this disk manager.)
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17:26<mildner>floku: wher is the rest of the 500 GB if he only shows 429
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17:27<floku>mildner: the filesystem itself always takes up a certain amount of space, so you will never be able to store 500 GB of data on a "500 GB" disk.
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17:28<floku>floku: the amount of missing space depends on how you formatted the drive
17:28<floku>(great, talking to myself now...)
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17:29<Alucar>don't forget how HDD manufacturers don't measure the same way wedo
17:30<dondelelcaro>the other half is that there is always a certain number of reserved blocks for the superuser
17:30<mildner>floku: did you see the GiB he shows
17:30<dondelelcaro>since normal users can't write to these blocks, they don't show up as free space
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17:32<floku>mildner: yes, I saw it. I really don't remember if this amount is normal for an "empty" etx3 filesystem; also see what Alucar and dondelelcaro said
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17:33<Alucar>is there some place I can watch the progress of 2.6.23 getting into Sid?
17:33<chealer>Alucar: not necessarily, but you could try following debian-kernel.
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17:35<mildner>you make me believe I lost everything, but still I cant write on it...please help me to mount it constantly and to use it as my place where I can store data
17:35<chealer>Alucar: generally, it won't happen before sid and lenny are in sync.
17:35<dondelelcaro>floku: it's normal.
17:35<floku>Alucar: I fyou need it right now, linux-image-2.6.23 debs are available at
17:35<floku>Alucar: deb trunk main
17:35<Alucar>I'm eager to try it
17:36<Alucar>hum, sid's at 2.6.22-3 and lenny's at 2.6.22-2
17:36<floku>dondelelcaro: thanks, I thought so, too, but I was not sure
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17:37<floku>mildner: If you think that there is a chance that the data was on the drive then you should not write on it before you try a few recovery tools
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17:38<mildner>floku: you know any?
17:39<floku>mildner: packages testdisk, gddrescue, scalpel come to mind
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17:42<bruno_>why everytime that I try to use "make" command is says that it does not have rules?
17:42<bruno_>and then it terminates?
17:42<floku>mildner: also, "smartmontools" can access the drive's internal diagnostics
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17:43<bruno_>now I am trying to make another configuration file, and it gives me the same problem
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17:45<bruno_>nobody here to help me?
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17:48<floku>mildner: got to go now, good luck
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17:49<yno>bye floku
17:49<yno>hi to all
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17:53<Br01>hi all
17:53<Br01>how to create a vhost in my shell
17:53<mildner>bye thx
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17:54<JasonS>vhost for what?
17:54<Br01>i have a domain name
17:54<Br01>and i like to connect using his adresse
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18:42<kop>I think I found a bug while installing the mythtv-common package, but the debian bug page says there's no maintainer and not to report a bug against the package. What should I do?
18:42<bzed>report a bug
18:42<bzed>use reportbug
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18:42<kop>bzed: Against what package?
18:42<bzed>against the package you've foudn the bug in
18:42<streuner>mythtv is in marillat...
18:42<kop>bzed: Even though the debian bug system says not to?
18:43<kop>streuner: Ah, right. I forgot.
18:43<bzed>well.. if it's in marillat.. then don;t do it
18:43<bzed>thought we're talking about a debian package
18:43<bzed>contact the maintainer by mail then
18:45<kop>bzed: Got it. Thanks.
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18:52<Br01>i run a shell using adsl, i like to use the domaine name that i have like a vhost in my psybnc
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18:58<Maulkin>Br01: Reverse dns delegation is doen at an ISP level, it's not somethign we can control. I'd suggest asking your ISP.
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18:59<lupine_85>some ISPs give you control over reverse DNS
18:59<lupine_85>not many though
18:59<xota>my locales are bad
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19:01<Br01>how i can see that i control the reverse dns or not
19:01<xota>see this please:
19:01<lupine_85>Br01: ask your ISP
19:02<xota>how can i reconfigure my locales?
19:02<Maulkin>Br01: Well, is it the ip you're on now?
19:02<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
19:02<Br01>yes Maulkin
19:03<xota>Maulkin, I've tested it yet. See this: the output of dpk-reconfigure
19:03<Maulkin>That's a very big block you're in. It probable you can't get it set. You need to contact your ISP.
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19:04<Maulkin>xota: apt-get install --reinstall locales
19:04<Br01>ok Maulkin thank you :)
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19:06<Maulkin>Br01: as you were told in #oftc, it wasn't redirection, it was the answer.
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19:07<xota>excuse, I close this by error
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19:08<xota> see this. the aptitude reinstall locales
19:08<Maulkin>Br01: or, are you after ?
19:08<Maulkin>xota: aha.
19:08<Maulkin>abrotman: aptitude install locales
19:09<abrotman>but i'd just told him the same thing on freenode :)
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19:10<Maulkin>If you don't like the answer you get somewhere, try somewhere else!
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19:11<Maulkin>xota: interesting...
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19:11<abrotman>xota: have you checked the BTS?
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19:12<Maulkin>xota: what version of debian are you running?
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19:12<abrotman>maybe ?
19:12<xota>abrotman, I don't know what BTS is
19:12<xota>Maulkin, sid
19:12<abrotman>how did you install unstable? and not know what BTS is?
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19:13<xota>abrotman, I'm spanish. I call it: "herramienta de seguimiento de errores"
19:14<abrotman>user error? :)
19:14[~]abrotman doesn't speak much spanish
19:14<xota>I can't understand the meaning of BTS to: bug track system
19:14[~]DeepDayze doesn't either
19:14<DeepDayze>BTS=Bug Tracking system
19:14<DeepDayze>where Debian bugs are tracked
19:14<DeepDayze>bugs in packages, that is
19:15<Maulkin>xota: that is broken in sid.
19:15<dondelelcaro>bugs in everyting Debian, actually
19:15<Maulkin>Gah, major lag, and it's late.
19:15[~]Maulkin goes to bed
19:15<testi>CUPS 1.3.4 fixed a vulnerability, is the cups version in etch affected? (1.2.7)
19:15<DeepDayze>sleep tight, maulkin
19:16<abrotman>xota: you're using sid/unstable .. things break all the time .. you should check
19:17<dondelelcaro>Maulkin: no irc'ing from bed? ;-)
19:17[~]abrotman brings Maulkin back!
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19:18<xota>ok, I thinks, that I go do it abrotman ;) I see in this page: (1-nov-2007) that in a week it will be solved, and nowadays is 8-oct-2007 ;D But I've patient. np ;)
19:19<abrotman>xota: well .. there are some additional problems since then
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19:21<DeepDayze>Be maulkin uses his lappy in bed ;)
19:22<testi>Maulkin: thanks
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19:23<xota>thx abrotman & Maulkin
19:23<xota>see u tomorrow
19:23<xota>excuse, and DeepDayze ;)
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19:25<DeepDayze>sure later, xota
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20:25<jeff_>Hi! I just got a new laptop and I'm installing debian at the moment. I have two problems. 1. linux just sees 1gb ram instead of 2gb (mem=2G did't help)
20:26<jeff_>2. the laptop has a nvidia graphics controller, I compiled a new kernel and the nvidia.ko from nvidia-kernel-source package
20:26<jeff_>but how to setup the framebuffer?
20:27<jbernard>jeff_: are you *sure* you have 2G?
20:27<jbernard>jeff_: if nvidia works, i wouldn't bother with the framebuffer
20:27<jbernard>jeff_: there's no need really
20:28<jbernard>jeff_: hmm... can the bios see 2G ?
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20:29<jeff_>jbernard: yes there are 2gb
20:29<lupine_85>the kernel probably has a 1gb/3gb userspace/kernel split
20:29<jbernard>jeff_: meaning, if you go into the setup menu, do you see 2G there?
20:29<lupine_85>just install a -bigmem kernel
20:29<jbernard>you should see 2G without a bigmem kernel
20:29<lupine_85>not necessarily
20:29<jeff_>I can recheck
20:30<jbernard>with stock debian you should
20:30<jeff_>jbernard: do you suspect shared video ram=
20:31<jbernard>i dunno, if the bios doesn't see it, then linux likely won't either
20:31<jeff_>jbernard: Installed memory: 2048MB
20:31<jbernard>try the bigmem kernel
20:31<jbernard>cant hurt
20:32<jbernard>i might be wrong about that
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20:33<lupine_85>hmm. it seems that some kernels are bigmem-enabled by default, whereas others are not
20:33<lupine_85>at least, that's my guess from looking at apt-get
20:33<lupine_85>my -k7 kernel picks up 1.5GB without any problems, but the -686 kernel probably won't (it'd need -686-bigmem)
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20:34<jbernard>ahh, then perhaps i am worng there
20:35<jbernard>the amd64 kernel definately has no problems with 2G
20:35<jbernard>i assumed the configs were much the same
20:35<lupine_85>well, of course not. it can handle up to 8 exabytes, IIRC
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20:36<lupine_85>bedtiem nao anyways
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20:42<chealer>jeff_: which Linux image do you use?
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21:11<jae_>Does anyone know of a solution to send audio from a Debian box to a Windows box? Or, which would you recommend?
21:11<reynaldo>A long wire with a male stereo plug on each end?
21:12<maxamillion>jae_: easiest would be to download a ftp client onto the windows box that can support sftp ... then you don't have to install or config anything, just connect to it with the login information you would if you were ssh'ing into the machine
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21:13<jae_>The easiest is what I do now: have the music available via Samba, play with winamp (or whatever)
21:14<jae_>Problem is, I'm looking into exaile as audio player, but Windows support is suboptimal it seems, and I don't want to unplug/plug all the time :P
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21:15<maxamillion>jae_: oh, you want to stream music? ... install mpd
21:15<peterS>or icecast2 I suppose
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21:18<jae_>I don't want to stream music (or, I would stream, and do have icecast2 working... but winamp streamed and don't mix)
21:19<jae_>Oh well
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21:28<jae_>Ah, finally, PulseAudio looks promising
21:28[~]jae_ wonders why he didn't find that earlier
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21:28<jae_>Or sooner... or something :)
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21:31<jester>got dpkg problems
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21:33<peterS>do tell
21:33<Fireware|amd>Hello everyone
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21:35<jester>um were to start
21:37<peterS>Please, describe your problems. Each time you are finished talking, type RET twice.
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21:37<jester>SLCertificateFile takes one argument, SSL Server Certificate file (`/path/to/file' - PEM or DER encoded) failed!
21:38<jester>Errors were encountered while processing:
21:38<jester> gforge-web-apache
21:38<jester> gforge-plugin-scmsvn
21:38<jester>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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21:39<peterS>jester: sounds like a problem with the gforge install, not a problem with dpkg per se. but anyway.
21:39<Fireware|amd>is there a Debian HCL?
21:39<Fireware|amd>I've been unable to boot anything other than ubuntu on this system
21:40<jester>ok well what could i do to fix it?
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21:40<peterS>Fireware|amd: I don't think there's anything very official. such documents have a habit of living on, though, so you might take a look
21:41<Fireware|amd>BTW, does the stock netinst CD ISO come with a GUI?
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21:41<peterS>jester: don't know, but SSLCertificateFile looks like a directive in some file /etc/apache2/sites-available/something-or-other shipped by gforge
21:41<peterS>jester: so I'd probably look in there and edit the appropriate file to fix the error, whatever it is
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21:42<peterS>Fireware|amd: I think it does now, yes. you can hit F1 at the 'Boot:' prompt to see what options you have
21:42<jester>ok ill look
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21:45<Fireware|amd>thank you!
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21:56<jester>wow...... thats didn't work out very good
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22:07[~]Fireware|amd slaps jester around with Windows Me
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22:08<peterS>Windows Meh
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22:10<jmichaelx>upon returning home today, i booted up my debian lenny box to find that for some reason the resolution is now wrong. it should be 1680x1050, and is now, well, something else. i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but to no avail. kcontrol shows the resolution as being set at 1680x1050, but that is not what it is... any advice? my video card is an AGP radeon 9000.
22:14<jmichaelx>i have the driver set to 'ati' in xorg.conf, although , strangely, i thought it used to be set to 'radeon'... hmm...
22:16<blackopus>jmichaelx; You can try playing with the refresh rate and horizontal sync.
22:16<peterS>"ati" is correct, it automatically loads "radeon" when it detects your card
22:17<jmichaelx>hmm, ok, i wonder why things would have suddenly changed?
22:17<jmichaelx>petety for the info, i had not known that
22:17<jmichaelx>peterS: *
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22:18<peterS>jmichaelx: if you're using xorg 7.3 from unstable, it is possible that xrand4 1.2 is getting cute and mis-detecting your monitor. it is all about plug n play now.
22:18<peterS>xrandr 1.2, even
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22:19<jmichaelx>peterS: i am not sure that lenny uses 7.3
22:19<peterS>jmichaelx: ah right, you did say lenny, and that does use 7.2
22:20<jmichaelx>i have pulled nothing from sid
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22:22<jmichaelx>wanna know something else weird... now the rz it is suddenly correct again... very strange. i have 4 PCs hooked to this monitor using a KVM switch... i just switched to another PC to compare notes, switched back to this (the lenny) box, and the rez is back to normal. so i guess now the KVM is possibly the guily party, not lenny
22:23<peterS>that or even xserver-xorg in lenny is autodetecting your monitor plug / unplug events
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22:24<jmichaelx>ok i just switched back and forth, and the rez is wrong again... i have never seen this before
22:24<jmichaelx>peterS: maybe so
22:24<peterS>jmichaelx: I'd check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if it is making these changes dynamically, and if so, why
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22:27<jmichaelx>peterS: how do i tell? i see no EEs in the log file
22:27<esaym>I have a distro running in virtual box right now. How do I ssh into it from the host operating system?
22:28<peterS>jmichaelx: at the very bottom, it will perhaps make a note that it is detecting a new monitor, or switching resolutions, or something
22:28<jmichaelx>hmm, don't see anything like that
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22:31<jmichaelx>maybe i just need to reboot once more, and this issue will just go away lol
22:32<jla>Does gnome-power-manager work to suspend or hibernate in Etch? Does it use HAL or some other method? s2disk and s2ram -f -m work. If I knew how to override s2ram options s2both would work too.
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22:32<manphiz>How's the status of ries.d.o? well, just an ask :-)
22:32<gravity>manphiz: Same as before as far as we know
22:33<manphiz>oh ok. Hope it'll back soon :-)
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22:57<shinnok>re all
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22:58<shinnok>for people interested in general linux might wanna check my website plus that i got a mini project called m-chat which is a small client-server internal chat system
22:58<shinnok>if there are people interested mail me
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23:09<Supaplex> should I submit a FTBFS bug for this? c/o on etch (sources.list are etch only), unable to build gcc-4.1 on amd64 for a i386 cross compiler.
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23:28<Supaplex>nm looks like this is #391445
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23:42<alex>Anyone know how to get apt to stop asking for the install CD whenever you try to install something?
23:43<Nemoder>remove the cdrom lines from your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update
23:45<alex>Nemoder Thanks
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23:46<alex>also.... what's so freakin' great about Iceweasel? Is there anything at all that makes it worth me not just downloading and building nice, regular firefox?
23:47<Nemoder>it's just easier to install it with apt-get, and there may be some debian specific security updates it gets that firefox doesn't
23:47<alex>aha. Otherwise it's completely the same?
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23:47<Nemoder>for the most part
23:48<alex>history/bookmarks in the same place? Compatible with Firefox Addons, etc?
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23:49<alex>Alright then. Thank you for answering my stupid questions
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23:51<Mr_Giraffe>hey, how do i customize the panels at the top and bottom of my screen in debian?
23:52<alex>right clicking will give you the ability to add/delete elements
23:52<Mr_Giraffe>oh, i meant the theme, mostly
23:53<Mr_Giraffe>the panels are rather ugly and blocky D:
23:53<alex>You're using GNOME desktop right?
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23:54<alex>welcome back
23:55<alex>miss me?
23:55<Supaplex>!kiss alex
23:55[~]dpkg smooches alex on the cheek
23:55<alex>holy crap! You have a sexbot here?!
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23:59<Ecalix>i have forwarded all traffic through an ssh tunnel using windows, but how would you accomplish that in *nix?
23:59<alex>So uh.... how much for the night with dpkg/#debian?
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