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00:00<Nemoder>!tell alex about free
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00:02<alex>aww hellz yeah!
00:02<alex>!strip for alex
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00:07<Supaplex>woops. there went my cross-debs. :p
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00:17<jesse>what is the difference between this debian channel and the one on
00:21<Supaplex> was the old oftc is more official. otherwise, not much
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00:23<K|NgGh0sT>I need help please. I rebooted yesterday and when I rebooted GRUB frooze at Stage 1.5.... Either how do I fix this? Is one of my drives dead? How can I tell?
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00:25<alemani>may nayone help me to troubleshoot a compiz problem on a debian sid box, not sure if I should ask this here ? :)
00:25<K|NgGh0sT>Bios sees the drive, see's the serial. I ran some utils, MHDD only saw a few error...
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00:29<kobood>hey alemani, what's ur compiz problem?
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00:32<Supaplex>echo $?
00:32<Supaplex>nm. my bad.
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00:33<ben1597>has anyone read whether prebuilt linux images with xen will make it into lenny? I haven't seen anything in sid or experimental.
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00:36<jesse>does anybody know how to enable subpixel hinting?
00:38<Ecalix>i have forwarded all traffic through an ssh tunnel using windows, but how would you accomplish that in *nix?
00:39<Ecalix>in windows i used proxyfirewall which basically every program trying to gain external access it would ask if you want to tunnel it or not
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00:46<Supaplex>Ecalix: ssh -D port host + dante-client
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00:54<Ecalix>thanks Supaplex , reading about dante it sounds like i need server rather than client though
00:55<Supaplex>ssh -D is the socks server
00:55<Supaplex>man ssh :)
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00:55<Supaplex>you might not even need ssh, if an exsiting socks server is available
00:56<Ecalix>ah i see it looks like i have to put dante-server on another box.
00:56<Ecalix>yeah i have used ssh -D before with no problems. but for apps that dont support socks....
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01:00<Supaplex>that's what dante-client is for.
01:00<Supaplex>dante-client <-> ssh
01:01<Supaplex>dante-server might be more effective depending on your use
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01:01<Ecalix>ok... i was just reading this
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01:01<Ecalix>so i could better understand dante
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01:02<Ecalix>so basically i would do what im used to, ssh -D and then have dante client point to the local socks server
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01:24<Ecalix>have you used dante before Supaplex?
01:25<Supaplex>not in ages
01:27<Ecalix>well i have it installed from apt, i did a locate and really all i see is a conf file and a bunch of doc/man files for it. nothing to execute
01:28<Supaplex>try dpkg -L <package>
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01:30<Ecalix>hmm, looks like socksify possibly?
01:30<Supaplex>could be
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01:31<Ecalix>nice trick btw, didnt know about that
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01:34<jm_>it's been like that with sock libs for a long time now - back in the old days you had to recompile
01:34<Ecalix>yep yep.. man socksify produces "socksify is Dante’s equivalent of the NEC SOCKS’ runsocks."
01:34<Ecalix>thanks much for the info Supaplex
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02:15<none>hi, how to can i open the alsa? i installed it.. how to can i open it?
02:15<jm_>!wayttd none
02:15<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, none?
02:16<none>wtf? i have a sound blaster live! 24
02:16<none>and i need configure it...
02:16<none>apt-get install alsa, but i do not found the command alsa
02:16<jm_>run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
02:16<jm_>there is no such command
02:17<none>so.. now?
02:17<none>i select alsa...
02:18<none>:( i can't open the audio mixer... :(
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02:19<none>something's missing...
02:19<jm_>verify if the driver has been loaded
02:19<none>i open playmp3list but it do not works...
02:19<none>how to can do that?
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02:20<mike>hi all, does anyone know what epoll is, and can i turn it off?
02:21<cwood>try 'man -k epoll'.
02:21<jm_>mike: not anyone does no, and it's not something you turn off
02:21<jm_>none: use lsmod ; cat /proc/asound/cards
02:21<mike>im just trying to set up squid and all i get is an epoll error message
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02:22<jm_>what does it say?
02:22<none>jm_ yes. it is... says live! 24
02:22<cwood>Question: which mailing list or web page do I find announcements pertaining to package sources for Sid? Updates have been oddly dry for a few days.
02:22<mike>FATAL: comm_select_init: epoll_create(): (38) Function not implemented
02:23<simonrvn>mike: install a 2.6 kernel. 2.4 doesn't have epoll()
02:23<none>jm_ the last time i installed debian, i used ALSA, it allow me select my soundcard...
02:23<none>why i can't do it again?
02:23<cwood>gsimmons_, thank you.
02:23<mike>ahh, thanks mate
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02:24<jm_>mike: that's explained in README.Debian
02:24<mike>i thought i had a 2.6 kernel
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02:25<jm_>none: what does amixer say?
02:25<none>don't have that package
02:25<none>and apt-cache search can;t found it
02:26<jm_>it's a command
02:26<none>dont work!
02:26<jm_>part of alsa-utils
02:26<none>command not found
02:26<jm_>!tell none -about installit
02:26<none>nice xD
02:26<none>thx very much
02:27<jm_>now set the levels/unmute it with alsamixer and run 'alsactl store'
02:27<mike>is anyone using the nvidia drivers with unstable at the moment?
02:28<cwood>Yes, me.
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02:29<mike>have you been receiving any hickkups lately in regards to the updating etc of those drivers?
02:29<mike>i remember a while ago everyone using unstable with nvidia drivers had troubles
02:29<cwood>Not me. But then I use the package.
02:29<mike>ah okay
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02:29<cwood>Not the one for more recent cards.
02:30<simonrvn>sid updates for those drivers are a bit slow at times, but they do come in eventually
02:31<cwood>I just download off of Nvidia's site, works well enough here.
02:31<jm_>mike: I used it a while ago for Etch, worked OK then (it was roughly when 2.6.23 kernel was released)
02:31<mike>hmm okay, thanks
02:32<mike>new kernel installed... restarting
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02:39<Supaplex>why quit?
02:40<simonrvn>Supaplex: YOU IS HERE TOO?
02:40<simonrvn>Supaplex: :P
02:40<Supaplex>i iz
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02:52<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering if i have a 160 gig drive and wanted to dedicate 40 of it to the debian install what would you guys make the drives look like size wise?
02:52<padski>oddtod: huh ?
02:53<oddtod>i wanted to use 40 gigs of my hdd to install debian on
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02:53<padski>oddtod: yes
02:53<oddtod>i wanted to know what size to put my drives as like /home / /tmp /var
02:53<padski>oddtod: ah! those are filesystems
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02:54<padski>oddtod: or volumes, or partitions. I think of drive as the physical object (except in windows)
02:55<padski>oddtod: I mostly use LVM so I don't have to think too hard about that question
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02:55<oddtod>haha yeah i know but i wanted to avoid LVM not really familar with it too much and don't want to be using it for my work laptop
02:56<padski>oddtod: so the intended usage is desktop enviroment ?
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03:01<oddtod>yes its desktop enviroment
03:03<jm_>or / + /home, up to you
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03:05<padski>I don't seem to get away with less than 5G for / + /usr these days unless I am carefull.
03:06<padski>oddtod: can you not just get a default layout on the 40G from the installer ?
03:06<oddtod>be only default way it does it is if you use the entire disk
03:06<oddtod>and i want to dual boot
03:06<padski>it is odd how you do partitioning before you've told the installer what you want to do with the machine
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03:07<padski>I still like the LVM option :-)
03:07<oddtod>padski its actually unbuntu i'm installing
03:07<oddtod>but i hate ubuntu room
03:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
03:08<oddtod>^that is why i lie when i'm in here
03:08<padski>oddtod: I don't suppose it makes much difference to this question.
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03:08<oddtod>i agree it doens't but people like to get uppity
03:08<padski>oddtod: but be aware that there are differences
03:08[~]streuner_ raises his eyebrow
03:09<padski>there are!
03:09<oddtod>don't know if streuner_ is actually mad or just giving me a rash of ish
03:09<@Ganneff>oddtod: the one mad is you.
03:09<streuner_>oddtod: you dont us and yourself an advantage, because we cant help then and waste your time and oures
03:09<streuner_>oddtod: help*
03:10<oddtod>i'm not mad at all
03:11<@Ganneff>you are using ubuntu and talk in #debian about problems. you are
03:11<streuner_>oddtod: read the factoid again, please.
03:11<padski>oddtod: if it were me, I would partition for swap, boot and LVM with those three taking up the 40G. I generally leave enough room on /boot for a whole rescue system. In a 40G budget a 1G /boot is not extravagant. swap sizing is something you can find plenty of resources on, but here is one ...
03:12<padski>!swap 2x ram
03:12<dpkg>hmm... swap 2x ram is a stupid rule made by stupid people, for stupid people. ...but see:
03:12<oddtod>i read it streuner_.. i havne't asked any further questions
03:13<padski>oddtod: but if there were a way to get the installer (go ask on #ubuntu) to do something similar then I might well go with its variation
03:13<oddtod>got ya thanks padski
03:14<padski>does lvm keep its backups under /etc ?
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03:15<cico>I am doing aptitude dist-upgrade. Why is it showing me the installation list twice with both the lists slightly different and asking me to confirm twice? Will it install double copies of the packages present in both the lists. See:
03:16<jm_>it's not twice, read it carefully
03:18<cico>jm_: for example, it says that libgcj7-0 will be removed once before confirmation and once again after the confirmation.
03:18<cico>and before the 2nd confirmation.
03:19<cico>Before the 1st confirmation it says: 758 packages upgraded, 190 newly installed, 32 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 235MB/1087MB of archives. After unpacking 868MB will be used.
03:19<cico>and again before the 2nd confirmation it says:...
03:19<cico>741 packages upgraded, 186 newly installed, 39 to remove and 13 not upgraded. Need to get 199MB/1067MB of archives. After unpacking 840MB will be used.
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03:20<jm_>cico: well obviously, as your answer to the prompt changes what will happen to packages, so it lists new status after the prompt
03:20<cico>but I accepted the first solution by pressing, Y, so the details should have remained same, then why did the details change in the 2nd listing?
03:22<padski>oddtod: although putting the whole of / (instead of just /boot) outside the lvm is possibly a simpler and safer choice
03:22<padski>oddtod: in which case it probably wants to be bigger, say 2G
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03:23<jm_>I think the initial list prior to the conflicts section doesn't include details about what you're going to answer, so once you do that, it updates it
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04:14<]RoSSodiSeRa[>«• Salve a TuTTi gente di #debian! •»
04:15<]RoSSodiSeRa[>c'è nessuno?
04:15<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
04:15<]RoSSodiSeRa[>thx :)
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04:25<pleb2>Hey all, any ideas how i could open a wps file in openoffice???
04:25<pleb2>or any way to convert it??
04:26<witte>pleb2: what is a wps file?
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04:27<pleb2>its something that microsoft works chucks out, that not even word can open without a converter installed :\ its horrible!!
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04:27<pleb2>some eeejit forgot to save as an rtf file again
04:28<witte>pleb2: send it back and ask for an odt file ;-)
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04:38<pleb2>witte: lol, ive been given it by the office because they made it at home and now they carnt open it, surely theres a converter???
04:38<dpkg>well, wps is windows printing system
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04:39<witte>pleb2: what says file <filename>, and if you can't find it on google, i doubt there is one
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04:46<pleb2>witte: thanks i'll try it
04:46<witte>pleb2: i think it was the first google hit on "convert wps" or something like that...
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04:47<pleb2>witte: i got aload of rubbish about installing word viewer 2003 and the wps converter for word :\
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04:57<gcosmin>can some one tell me how can I change my font size in gnome/
04:57<witte>gcosmin: is there no "gnome configuration gui thingy"
04:59<enkrypt>gcosmin: go to the gnome control center
05:00<enkrypt>What is up with ftp-master ?
05:00<weasel>broken disks. hopefully reinstalled sometime soon.
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05:08<User512[at]work>Hi! I have a problem with LG flatron l2522SE. By default Xserver sets unsupportable mode for it `n` monitor gose to power coservation mode. But I can use it after selecting mode with Ctrl+Alt+Grey-Minus. How can i fix it.
05:10<Supaplex>User512[at]work: modelines. try xvidtune
05:10<jm_>User512[at]work: then set only the working mode in the config file
05:10<User512[at]work>is it a programm ?
05:11<User512[at]work>can you give me a link to it?
05:12<User512[at]work>jm_ How? i cant understand what mode works and how should I set it to default :)
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05:12<jm_>User512[at]work: when monitor works, simply run xrandr or xdpyinfo and it'll tell you
05:13<jm_>User512[at]work: also read X logfile
05:14<User512[at]work>jm_ X log file only says that " monitor does not support DRI" I cant understand what it want's else
05:14<jm_>User512[at]work: paste it on some paste site
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05:19<jm_>alternatively, use monitor's capabilities to display current mode - most of them can do it
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05:30<fabio>enter in to server
05:31<fabio>what's your name
05:31<weasel>fabio, this is not a social channel, it's a technical channel. if you have question wrt debian, ask. but don't do smalltalk here, thanks
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05:32<fabio>Can you help me
05:33<fabio>for machine virtual
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05:34<User512[at]work>jm_ monitor works at 800x600@60Hz what should i do next to make Xserver use it by defaul ?
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05:34<fabio>per costruire macchine virtuali vorrei dei chiarimenti
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05:38<fabio>qualcuno c'è mi potrebbe aiutare per le macchine virtuali
05:38<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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05:46<kris>hey sup man
05:46<fabio>how are you
05:46<dpkg>fabio: peachy
05:47<kris>dpkg: is ok
05:47<kris>where is everyone from
05:47<fabio>Reggio Emilia
05:48<JasonS>this isn't a social channel, its a support channel for the debian linux distro
05:48<kris>not to be such an american pig but where is that
05:48<JasonS> well for the most part at least
05:48<kris>im new lol
05:48<fabio>ok sorry
05:48<gcosmin>This Application has Unexpectedly Quit: Invocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException. This application will now exit. (LAX)
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05:48<JasonS>no problem, fortinuatly its fairly quiet right now
05:48<fabio>exit now
05:48<gcosmin>and I got that error
05:49<gcosmin>cand some one help me with that?
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06:04<fabio>ciao santigno
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06:05<santigno>ciao fabio
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06:05<santigno>ascolta mi hanno parlato di questa chet
06:05<santigno>propio ieri
06:05<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
06:06<santigno>siamo un gruppo di amici che stiamo entrando ora nel mondo di linux
06:06<santigno>in particolare utilizziamo ubuntu
06:07<koollman>santigno: you are on a *debian* *english* channel. you will not find a lot of help here
06:07<koollman>strangely enough, I can almost read italian :)
06:07<fabio>spostati in debian-it
06:08<santigno>non so come si fa ma provo grazie buon proseguimento
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06:09<fabio>clicca su debian-it
06:09<fabio>#debian -it
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06:10<santigno>grazie fabio ciso
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06:12<fabio>sorry for Santigno
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06:18<rowdy>hi all
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06:30<kris>where u from
06:31<pleb2>Kris this channel is used for debian - help related chat
06:31<pleb2>you should maybe find a chat room :)
06:31<fabio>Reggio Emilia and you
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06:34<pleb2>kris: check out, im sure they have lots of rooms which would match your interests :)
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07:07<DTE>hi all
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07:09<DTE>i'm have to profile a system because of some problems
07:09<DTE>but i cannot find how to make an uncompressed kernel
07:10<DTE>is this possibile in debian?
07:10<azeem>if it's possible in general, it's possible in debian
07:10<jm_>you want to profile a kernel?
07:10<azeem>maybe not using the default debian method, but general kernel building methods should work
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07:14<user01>what controls the automounting of devices in gnome?
07:14<user01>it stopped automounting my flash disks for some reason
07:14<azeem>which version of Debian?
07:15<azeem>is gnome-mount installed?
07:15<user01>azeem, yes
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07:16<azeem>is your user in the plugdev group?
07:16<user01>azeem, should i just try reinstalling it?
07:16<azeem>user01: mayb you need to /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
07:16<azeem>user01: no
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07:18<user01>azeem, is plugdev the same as connect to external drives automatically?
07:18<user01>azeem, not sure where to see plugdev
07:18<azeem>what is the latter?
07:18<azeem>user01: run "groups"
07:19<user01>azeem, yes plugdev is there
07:19<user01>should i try plugging it in again?
07:20<azeem>13:13 < azeem> user01: mayb you need to /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
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07:20<azeem>user01: then plug it out, and plug it in while monitoring /var/log/syslog, e.g.
07:20<user01>azeem, do i have to be root to do that?
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07:21<user01>azeem, it says no such file or directory
07:22<azeem>user01: then whatever else is there that looks like it
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07:24<user01>azeem, ok so i did that took it out plugged it in . . . now i need to read syslog?
07:24<azeem>tail -f /var/log/syslog, as root
07:26<user01>azeem, paste in #flood?
07:26<azeem>why don't you try to analyse it yourself first?
07:26<azeem>otherwise, paste on a pastebin
07:26<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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07:31<DanDare>hello _AnaLucia
07:32<DanDare>i bet that he/she have logs of #debian since 1947
07:32<azeem>DanDare: do you have a Debian question?
07:32<DanDare>azeem, yeah
07:33<user01>azeem, i dont see an error
07:33<azeem>user01: do you have that device in /etc/fstab maybe?
07:33<DanDare>azeem, wich year was the first Debian release?
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07:33<azeem>DanDare: why do you ask me? Ask the channel
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07:33<DanDare>azeem, asking you cause you asked me
07:33<azeem>user01: if you run "mount", does it mention the disk?
07:34<DanDare>why are you asking me so? maybe you just want me to make you a debian question
07:34<azeem>DanDare: no, I'm asking because your first question wasn't appropriate here
07:34<user01>azeem, its not listed in fstab
07:35<azeem>or remark
07:35<DanDare>azeem, i have commom sense. If the channel is quiet i can ask something around that not debian if im not being agressive to others
07:35<DanDare>i can ask someone else i want how its the weather e.g.
07:35<jm_>!tell DanDare -about release history
07:35<azeem>DanDare: ask elsewhere
07:35<azeem>this is a support channel
07:35<DanDare>thanks jm_ :)
07:36<user01>azeem, it does show in mount
07:36<azeem>user01: what's the mount point?
07:36<DanDare>now if its a full talkative of deep discussion for sure i will not say anything than not debian
07:36<DanDare>so leave me alone
07:36<user01>azeem, procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
07:36<azeem>that's not it
07:37<user01>azeem, oh is it vfat?
07:37<fabio>What's gSTD
07:37<user01>azeem, then no
07:37<DanDare>hey, nice history about debian release names
07:38<DTE>azeem: sorry for the delay...
07:38<DTE>i saw there's a tool for the powerpc to make it
07:38<azeem>DTE: make what?
07:38<DTE>uncompressed kernel
07:39<DTE>the problem is that i saw only few references also about vanilla kernel
07:39<DTE>but i cannot find even on the oprofile site
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07:39<user01>azeem, anything else i can check?
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07:40<azeem>user01: dunno
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07:40<azeem>user01: try to use gnome-mount to mount it directly
07:40<azeem>user01: read the gnome-mount documentation, I'm out for lunch now
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07:43<DanDare>hi fabio
07:45<fabio>can you help me
07:46<JasonS>!tell fabio about ask
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07:47<fabio>Must a machine virtual
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07:58<JasonS>fabio: please be more specific
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08:12<Gryfelhase>server /
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08:23<serge>hello! Which prog can I use in Etch in order to lock my screen while I'm out of my workplace? ..I don't use KDE or GNOME, IceWM only.
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08:24<jm_>xlock or xscreensaver
08:24<Maulkin>serge: xscreensaver or xlock
08:24<Maulkin>Or possibly vlock
08:25<serge>xlock -- which pkg it belongs to ?
08:25<serge>vlock -- it seems not for X session .. ?
08:25<Maulkin>serge: doesn't need to be for an xsession, it will lock all VTs too.
08:26<DTE> is there a way to boot an uncompressed kernel with grub?
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08:32<jm_>DTE: why don't you try it?
08:32<serge>jm_ which *.deb is xlockmore ?
08:33<weasel>there is no xlockmore in etch
08:33<weasel>because it is broken and has security issues
08:33<jm_>serge: it's not in etch, you'll have to build it from source, but it's easy
08:34<serge>ok. Thanks guys. Let me use xscreensaver ...
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08:34<weasel>good choice.
08:35<Maulkin>Yup, you get those on IRC
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08:35<Maulkin>(apologies, cranky today)
08:36<DTE>jm_: it's not working
08:36<jm_>DTE: quick glance at source code only mentions zImage and bzImage
08:36<jm_>DTE: right ;)
08:37<DTE>this is something a bit funny
08:37<DTE>oprofile need an uncompressed kernel
08:37<DTE>grub doesn't support it
08:39<jm_>yeah but maybe you can use lilo
08:39<jm_>or syslinux?
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08:40<DTE>jm_: i'll try with lilo
08:41<padski>DTE: can you boot off of the compressed image and just have the vmlinux file lying about ?
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08:42<jm_>DTE: ahh but you don't need to boot uncompressed kernel I think
08:42<jm_>what padski said
08:43<DTE>padski: sorry...doing something else
08:43<DTE>padski: yes...i have the whole kernel source here
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08:43<padski>I don't know about this case, but something used to work like that :-)
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08:45<DTE> mean boot with compressed kernel and then give to oprofile tool the uncompressed kernel file
08:45<padski>that sort of thing, yeah
08:45<DTE>i'll try right now
08:47<DTE>i'm doing all of this because i have some problems with etch, lvm and drbd
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08:47<DTE>with an raid 5 i'm getting just 20 mbits/s and very high iostats
08:48<padski>DTE: ah, yes, I remember. This is an HP box, yes ?
08:48<DTE>yes :-)
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08:48<DTE>i get higher performances with and odl p4 system without raid
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08:49<padski>DTE: how do local benchmarks do ?
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08:50<DTE>iostats reports 20mbit/s
08:50<DTE>both on the drbd device and just lvm
08:50<DTE>iowait is always high
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08:51<padski>DTE: this on the motherboard or HBA ?
08:51<Joao>Salut Bonjour
08:51<DTE>a p200 controller (cciss)
08:51<DTE>with 128 mbyte cache
08:51<padski>DTE: battery-backed ?
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08:56<norbert_>hi, I don't want that orange icon that shows how many updates are available
08:56<norbert_>I tried to disable it, but it's still there
08:56<JasonS>what orange icon where?
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08:57<norbert_>the software updates icon on the gnome panel
08:57<norbert_>it comes with the default etch install
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08:57<jm_>uninstall it?
08:57<padski>I know the one you mean. with a start in it ?
08:58<norbert_>correct, the one with the star in it
08:58<azeem>norbert_: why don't you want it?
08:58<norbert_>if I want to update, I'll use apt myself
08:58<padski>I don't know what it is called thoughh
08:58<azeem>it's update-notifier, I think
08:58<padski>sounds good
08:59<padski>norbert_: you know that updates are good for you ? ;-)
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08:59<norbert_>I apt-get removed that package, let me try to restart X and see if it's gone; brb
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09:00<norbert_>yeah, that was it; thanks
09:01<azeem>"There are 180 Updates available" oops
09:01<jm_>update-manager - GNOME application that manages software updates
09:01<jm_>update-notifier - Daemon which notifies about package updates
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09:01<jm_>one of those
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09:03<azeem>14:55 < azeem> it's update-notifier, I think
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09:04<padski>14:54:55 <padski> the one with the star in it ?
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09:04<norbert_>are we going back in time? ;-)
09:05<azeem>14:53 < norbert_> hi, I don't want that orange icon that shows how many updates are available
09:05<azeem>let's discuss this
09:05<azeem>norbert_: that one is also helping you installing upgrades, you know
09:06<padski>can't you just set it to auto install ?
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09:10<norbert_>azeem: eh, yeah, but I prefer to not have a clippy-equivalent on my desktop; if I want to update, I'll run apt
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09:11<witte>norbert_: you could consider not to run gnome (or kde) at all
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09:11<witte>norbert_: there are good wm that do not offer a bunch of useless icons
09:12<azeem>how is that icon useless
09:12<witte>azeem: well, it is not really useless, but depending on how you work with your system you use it or not
09:13<azeem>what about the gnome-power-manager icon, how is that useless?
09:13<witte>azeem: i personally want a very sober desktop, and i want only the very basic there
09:13<witte>azeem: i do not want ot start a flamewar or anything
09:14<witte>azeem: but on my desktop, the power manager thing is not very usefull i think?
09:14<azeem>I see
09:14<azeem>on my notebook, it's quite useful
09:14<azeem>my point is anyway: How are our personal opinions relevant here at all?
09:14<witte>azeem: i agree, on my notebook i have also wmacpi (which is equivalent) but not on my desktop
09:15<witte>azeem: if norbert_ wants to run his system without the icon, it is up to him not to screw it up and update on regular intervals :-)
09:16<azeem>yeah, right
09:16<azeem>but I wondered why you suggested purging the default Debian desktop totally
09:16<witte>azeem: i do not think i did that
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09:16<azeem>15:08 < witte> norbert_: you could consider not to run gnome (or kde) at all
09:17<witte>azeem: well, yes, but i run window maker, and not gnome, but gnome is still installed, and somethimes i use applications of it, that is not purging it from your system, just choosing an other one when you log in
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09:28<e-mode>Hi all! I'm trying for a one-time thing to record my voice over a mp3(but I could make a wav or another type of file) . anyone knows a good/fast way to do this without installing some huge prog. I think audacity could do the trick but if I can do it with arecord or whatever, no matter very good quality. Thanks
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09:32<Hiwaypilot>I'd reccommend rosegarden but it's not the simple solution you want.
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09:33<e-mode>thanks Hiwaypilot . just checked with apt: 106Mb to install... I'd like something a bit smaller. as I said, it's a one-time project
09:34<witte>e-mode: why not arecord, and converting the wav to mp3 afterwards?
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09:35<e-mode>thanks witte. I tried arecord, it records my voice but I have to mix voice with a preexisting mp3 music file and I wasn't able to do that with arecord
09:35<e-mode>something like a karaoke
09:35<Hiwaypilot>Audacity should let you merge separate mono tracks
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09:38<norbert_>e-mode, sweep maybe?
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09:39<e-mode>thanks norbert_ , checking it right now
09:40<meandtheshell>someone in here using If so, is it a know problem that app gets frozen after a few seconds of ripping from some DVD to mpeg4? I am with DebianGNU/Linux sid ie the sid version of dvdrip ...
09:40<norbert_>e-mail: via channels you can choose quadraphonic, that should allow you to mix in your rec
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09:44<norbert_>(eh, e-mode, not e-mail)
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09:45<e-mode>no worries norbert, I understood it was me. making notes about sweep.
09:47<Hiwaypilot>Yeh it looks nice, Im downloading now.
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09:55<padski>sorry, I just found that. late to the party again I expect :-)
09:55<Maulkin>padski: your point is?
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09:55<padski>Maulkin: I laughed
09:55<Maulkin>Very late
09:56<Maulkin>About 18 months late
09:56<padski>I even begin to recognise some of it. someone was quoting this the other day.
09:56<serge>Is there any commandline tool in Etch to work with GSM Siemens cell phones, like well known "simoco" ?
09:57<azeem>serge: scmxx
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10:13<ChaosR>checking for gcc... gcc -m32 checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. See `config.log' for more details.
10:13<ChaosR>64bit lenny
10:13<ChaosR>trying to compile wine
10:14<petemc>libc6-dev , or just install build-essential
10:14<ChaosR>already have that
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10:15<petemc>oh, well thats the fix on 32bit, perhaps 64bit is different
10:15<petemc>i dont use it myself
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10:24<pada>hi/bye :)
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10:24<ServerSide>hi here :)
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10:25<ServerSide>i've a question: Is there any prog who show the broadband who takes each programs?
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10:26<rkos>how can i configure more screen resolutions?
10:26<cusco>ServerSide: iptraff
10:26<cusco>rkos: perhaphs dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg
10:26<cusco>rkos: perhaphs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
10:26<ServerSide>mhh, not found, should I install? :P
10:27<cusco>if you wish
10:27<cusco>ServerSide: or ethstatus
10:27<Markjuh>hi! when users (on WinXP machines) upload to my Debian Etch machine using sftp (OpenSSH subsystem), the permissions of the files are sometimes all weird... for example only readable by user and only writable by group... any ideas?
10:28<Markjuh>rkos: how do you mean "more screen resolutions"?
10:29<cusco>Markjuh: perhaphs you are to use chmod or chown trough sftp
10:29<cusco>or use -P to copy permissions
10:29<rkos>i meant the stuff cusco said
10:30<rkos>i need to reboot probably?
10:30<cusco>rkos: no, only need to restar the Xserver
10:30<rkos>meaning that?
10:30<cusco>rkos: just press alt + ctrl + backspace
10:31<ServerSide>cusco: thanks a lot :)
10:31<rkos>when installing i chose just a few resolutions because i dont really need but i forgot that i usually use different res on games
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10:31<cusco>np ServerSide
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10:31<cusco>ServerSide: you know those apps don't actually show bw usage per program
10:32<cusco>they might show per port and total..
10:32<cusco>you would have to use a sniffer to get more details, like sniffit
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10:36<[gloom]>hi there
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10:38<[gloom]>under kde, the leds of the keyboard (caps lock, etc...) don't work, although the keyboard is in the right layer and it works perfect. All the keys are in it's place , but the leds are always off no matter if I push the caps lock or block num keys. The strange thing is that under linux console the leds work perfect!!! Does anyone know where to look for this?? thx
10:38<Eulex>I wouldn't assume that this has anything to do with kde. I'd assume that it's related to X.
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10:39<Eulex>I just discovered that my keyboard leds don't work either.
10:39<[gloom]>Eulex: i agree with that. but I don't know where to look for it yet.
10:39<[gloom]>anyone else?
10:39<Eulex>[gloom], what release of debian? I'm on testing :)
10:40<witte>[gloom]: that is a bug in xorg
10:40<Eulex>oh right, I have xorg from unstable.
10:40<[gloom]>witte: aha, and is there possible solution or won't be available until the next release?
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10:41<Markjuh>there is no fix until next release... if they even fix it in next release :P
10:41<witte>[gloom]: don't know, it was mentioned here that is was a bug, and i did not yet have a look at it myself to see if there is a solution...
10:42<[gloom]>ok. at least is not my system doing crazy things again.
10:42<[gloom]>thx guys
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10:43<traza>Hi, problem: running servlets with tomcat (mod_jk) with apache2
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10:44<traza>scriplets works fine... with servlets, browser show the code...
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10:47<[gloom]>The patches to fix this are relatively complex (being that they touch some
10:47<[gloom]>terrifyingly underdocumented pieces of code), and may well break other things,
10:48<rkos>what was the apt search command?
10:48<[gloom]>from bugzilla:
10:48<JasonS>rkos: apt-cache search
10:49<r3k13m>somebody has a nvidia geforce go 7200 ?
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10:50<koollman>r3k13m: maybe you should try to ask a slightly different, meaningful question, unless you are trying to buy one or to do some kind of statistics
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10:52<r3k13m>koollman, sorry, but I think this card is kind of strange, anyway, i think is better to ask first if i can talk here about legacy drivers
10:52<rkos>anyone here have any idea why i might be getting 4fps and about 500ms in counter-strike when running through wine
10:54<rkos>should i get cedega by the way, is it useful?
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10:58<serge>to awk guru: please, help me. I have a bunch of files with names in broken encoding, they looks like ??????? ???? ? ?????? 003.jpg . I decide to rename these files like: mv '??????? ???? ? ?????? 004.jpg' 004.jpg . I create small script as follows:
10:58<serge>ls *.jpg --quoting-style=shell | awk '{print "mv "$0" "$5" "}'
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10:58<rkos>is cedega in the debian repo, couldn't find it there atleast
10:59<rkos>if not, how do i get it?
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10:59<serge>but it gives me: '??????? ???? ? ?????? 004.jpg' 004.jpg' -- please, hotwo remove the trailing ' symbol
10:59<Maulkin>rkos: no, it's commercial. I think it costs 15USD. Or perhaps you could read the link I pasted for you
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11:00<serge>or add ' leading one ?
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11:01<serge>any others different solutions are welcome too ;)
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11:03<Maulkin>serge: for I in *.jpg; do mv $I `echo $I | awk '{print $5}'`; done;
11:03<Maulkin>Something like that?
11:03<patricio>Hey guys.........I am trying to tackle the issue with the 'data enclosure' that I have, I am running 2.6.22/ using KDE, and under 'System' and 'Disks', I can view the data enclosure and in that window is tells me this; ' /dev/sdb ' my problem is that I do not know how to access that drive to view/delete/format the drive.......anyone got a quick solution for me?
11:03<rkos>uhhuh, isnt it a bit weird that when you choose between USD and EUR in their site the sum doesen't change at all?
11:03<Maulkin>rkos: not these days :|
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11:04<Maulkin>rkos: just order it from the states.
11:04<Maulkin>(works out cheaper, even after import taxes)
11:04<rkos>yeah, i just thought it was a bit stupid to pay the same sum in euros
11:05<Maulkin>It's normally the same value in GBP. Think how we feel :)
11:05<serge>Maulkin: hmm, doesn't works... But the solution looks interesting Let me try to fix it...
11:06<Maulkin>man tr may help too
11:06<serge>Maulkin: the problem that the original name should be enclosed in ' ', because it contains spaces - it confuses mv ...
11:07<rkos>should i get a year or the 3 months?
11:07<serge>Maulkin: so as a result we have something like : mv ??????? ???? ? ?????? 004.jpg 004.jpg
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11:09<serge>it would work fine if the result would be : mv '??????? ???? ? ?????? 004.jpg' '004.jpg' or: mv '??????? ???? ? ?????? 004.jpg' 004.jpg
11:09<witte>serge: does 004 have to result in 004?
11:09<e-mode>serge, if the problem are spaces, I suggest first rename spaces as _, then rename files
11:10<Maulkin>serge: also, try using " instead of '
11:10<witte>serge: i mean something like: j=0;for i in *.jpg; do mv $i $j;$j++;done
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11:11<witte>serge: don't know if something like that works in bash, but probably something quite alike
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11:13<serge>witte: right syntax or expression is my problem .... I'm very little experienced yet.
11:13<serge>witte: right syntax of expression is my problem .... I'm very little experienced yet.
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11:14<witte>serge: j=1;for i in *.jpg;do mv $i $j.jpg;j=$((j+1));done
11:15<Maulkin>ls *.jpg --quoting-style=shell | awk '{print "mv "\"$0\"" "\"$5\"" "}'
11:15<serge>ls *.jpg --quoting-style=shell | awk '{print "mv "$0" "$5" "}' | bash -- almost works, but it's necessary to add a leading ' or remove trailing one ...
11:15<Maulkin>Try that
11:15<witte>serge: but try it first on a test directory
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11:15<serge>let me try... :)
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11:17<serge>witte, Maulkin: both expressions don't work ...
11:17<Maulkin>Don't work?
11:18<witte>!does not work
11:18<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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11:18<serge>sorry, my English .. :)
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11:20<rkos>how can i see how much bandwith im using and which programs use how much etc?
11:21<serge>...well, sorry for lamerism ;) let me precise, here is the issue of : ls *.jpg --quoting-style=shell | awk '{print "mv "\"$0\"" "\"$5\"" "}' --- awk: {print "mv "\"$0\"" "\"$5\"" "} , awk: ^ backslash not last character on line
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11:21<Maulkin>try \\ instead of \
11:21<Maulkin>or \\\
11:21<rkos>iptraf or iptop dont do anything
11:22<rkos>or where should i type them
11:22<Maulkin>Yes they do.
11:22<Maulkin>In a terminal window
11:22<rkos>says command not found
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11:22<Maulkin>are you root?
11:22<Maulkin>Are they installed?
11:22<rkos>might not be installed
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11:23<rkos>could iptables be it?
11:23<Maulkin>(oh, and it's iftop, not iptop)
11:23<Maulkin>no. iftop or iptraf
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11:23<witte>rkos: iptables is the firewall
11:24<rkos>command not found it says
11:24<Maulkin>are you root?
11:24<rkos>im using root terminal yes
11:25<witte>rkos: maybe you should install them? apt-get install iftop iptraf
11:26<rkos>couldnt find package
11:26<Maulkin>nload and ntop may help too
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11:26<Maulkin>rkos: what version of debian are you running?
11:26<rkos>nload and ntop are the same, command not found and package not found
11:27<Maulkin>Can you pastebin your sources.list somehwere?
11:27<Maulkin>(what do you mean by 'command not found' though?
11:27<Maulkin>The full error message is useful
11:27<rkos>bash: iptraf: command not found
11:29<Maulkin>aptitude install iptraf.
11:29<rkos>couldn't find any new package whose name or description matched iptraf
11:30<rkos>and my filebrowser isn't willing to start up for some reason
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11:30<Maulkin>Right, can you pastebin your sources.list somewhere?
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11:30<rkos>what was the path again
11:30<Maulkin> /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:31<jthomas>how can i fix a "monitor out of range" error for a new etch install?
11:31<witte>jthomas: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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11:31<jthomas>thanks thats what i hoped for
11:32<witte>and select some lower resolutions
11:32<witte>jthomas: if they work, you can try higher ones
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11:32<jthomas>right on, thanks
11:32<RandomJohn>hi, i've got an issue with my "/" partition, it seems to be full (95%) which is pretty weird. any idea how i can see the content of "/" to see what's actualy happenene?
11:32<rkos>i press send in pastebin and the page just reloads or something, theres probably some more problems
11:33<witte>RandomJohn: cd / and du --max-depth=1 -h
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11:33<witte>RandomJohn: but probably a apt-get autoclean will help ;-)
11:33<Zathras>Hi. On Debian etch I just did an update. Now I have a conflict on libsieve & libmailutils1. This bug is confirmed on Ubuntu site for both Debian and Ubuntu but can not be found on
11:33<Zathras>anyone familiar with this?
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11:34<rkos>yeah im gonna restart xserver, brb
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11:34<JasonS>Zathras: not a confirmed debian bug by debian users?
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11:34<Zathras>seems so
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11:35<Zathras>seems to suggest it is a know issue
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11:36<RootniX>hi !!
11:36<RandomJohn>witte: autoclean did free some space, but not very much
11:37<rkos>well heres the sources.list
11:37<JasonS>Zathras: checked the bts?
11:37<witte>RandomJohn: ok, but with the du command you can see which directories contain teh most data
11:37<witte>RandomJohn: if you do not know if the results are normal, you can paste the output to a pastebin
11:37<witte>!tell RandomJohn about pastebin
11:38<Zathras>JasonS: what is the "bts" ?
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11:38<JasonS>!tell Zathras about bts
11:38<Zathras>Jason, yes I did. Seems not to be there:
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11:39<RandomJohn>wiite: gimme a sec
11:39<witte>RandomJohn: and add the output of df -h with it
11:40<Zathras>sounds a bit wierd to me considering Etch is 'stable'
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11:40<Maulkin>rkos: run aptitude update
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11:41<e-mode>RandomJohn: as far as I know this should show you which files are bigger then 100M in your HD , you can change size to your needs, to see if there's one file growing unnaturally --- "find / -size +100M -print"
11:41<Raaku>if im in us... what should my sources.list contain for etch
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11:45<witte>RandomJohn: ok, you have about 3G in /usr, which si normal for a desktop system with X, gnome/kde, openoffice etc
11:45<RandomJohn>yeah, I'm using kde for about 3 weeks now
11:45<witte>RandomJohn: furthermore, you have 1.5 G in /var
11:45<serge>witte, Maulkin: solved... :) just, if it looks interesting: ls *.jpg --quoting-style=shell | awk '{print "mv "$0" "$5" "}' | cut -b 0-42 | sh
11:45<RandomJohn>hab fluxbox before
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11:47<witte>RandomJohn: apt has the tendency to keep all the deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, you probably this directory is quite big (you should check this by running the du command there)
11:47<RandomJohn>witte: 4,0K ./partial
11:47<RandomJohn> 1,3G .
11:48<witte>RandomJohn: this means that with only 6 GB for /usr/ and /var, you will have to keep your /var/cache/apt empty by doing apt-get clean regulary (autoclean only removes the old ones)
11:48<witte>RandomJohn: ok, so 1.3 GB of 6.5 is old downloaded debs
11:48<RandomJohn>witte, sounds like i should just assign more memory to "/"
11:49<RandomJohn>ca i do that easily w/o rebooting?
11:49<witte>RandomJohn: next time you install debian, you should or make / bigger, or have a seperate /var
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11:49<rjent>Greetings, how can I adjust sound volume from console?
11:49<witte>RandomJohn: easily? depends. if you have a seperate disk with some extra space, yes, otherwise, no
11:49<cahoot>rjent: amixer can
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11:50<witte>rjent: install aumix
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11:50<RandomJohn>witte: so its not possible to move some memory from /home to / ?
11:51<witte>RandomJohn: you can try gparted, but i can not promise that this will work without problems, i diid not try that in a long time
11:51<TumaT>someone know how to sign a repo?
11:51<padski>RandomJohn: you have on-line resizeable filesystems ?
11:51<witte>RandomJohn: do you use ext filesystems?
11:51<padski>RandomJohn: I think ext3 on etch would count
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11:51<RandomJohn>witte: ext3, i think
11:51<RandomJohn>I use Lenny/sid
11:52<witte>RandomJohn: I think gparted should be able to do what you want without skrewing up your system (i am not sure if it needs a reboot afterwards) and i would advice backups beforehand
11:52<padski>RandomJohn: and these are either both LVs in the same VG ?
11:52<RandomJohn>padski, pardon? ^^
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11:53<TumaT>someone know how to sign a repo?
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11:53<RandomJohn>i actualy have a second drive of 250gb wich is more or less unused
11:54<RandomJohn>because i hadn't time to figure out, how to automount this disc during startup
11:54<RandomJohn>but i'm not happy with adding that partialy to /, because i don't want to have crucial data spread over two discs
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11:55<witte>RandomJohn: /var is not crucial, and you could also move /usr
11:56<rjent>cahoot and witte thanks.
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11:56<RandomJohn>any suggestions how to do that? or should I rtfm about that?
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11:56<rjent>Could someone comment on usplash and the momentary showing of the console before gdm starts?
11:59<witte>RandomJohn: partition the other disk to your likings, copy the data of /usr (or /var) to the partition that will be the next /usr directory, rm the current /usr/* (or /var/*) as root in console, add the specific partition (new /usr or /var) to /etc/fstab and mount /usr (or var).
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12:00<witte>RandomJohn: if this all works, great, if you do something wrong, you could be in some deep s##t :-)
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12:00<Maulkin>Not possible at this time, X needs to start from a text console in order to be able to restore the console state when you want to return again.
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12:00<kmilo>what happen with sid? in two days i don't see any upgrade..
12:00<RandomJohn>witte, i think apt-get clean is my best chance actualy? ^^
12:00<Maulkin>kmilo: ftp-master is down
12:00<Maulkin>rjent: yes, do that.
12:01<witte>RandomJohn: yes, but you will have to keep doing that
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12:01<RandomJohn>witte, yeah but it works for a fastr workaround... everything else needs more time, i think
12:01<kmilo>i try with and a mirror from germany... but nothing
12:01<Maulkin>kmilo: ftp-master is down
12:02<traza>my tomcat (mod-jk with apache) is not runnign servlets...
12:02<witte>RandomJohn: probably repartitioning is also a possibility, or using the second disk. It si all not that difficult, all depends on how you intend to use the pc
12:02<zukalk>hi. anyone using the nvidia driver on lenny (amd64) and having problems?
12:02<witte>RandomJohn: I think there is even an option in apt to automatically remove all packages after installation (doing an automatic apt-get clean)
12:03<traza>jsp file works fine... but not servlets
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12:03<RandomJohn>witte, but isn't there a reason for keeping those packages?
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12:04<witte>RandomJohn: yes, if you want to go back to a previous version, you can just get them from your harddisk
12:05<Maulkin>kmilo: see
12:05<kmilo>ok, thanks Maulkin
12:05<rjent>Maulkin: so why can't that starting X be spawned out in time before splash ends.
12:05<witte>because they wont be in the repositories anymore
12:05<Maulkin>rjent: because splash takes up a console.
12:05<witte>RandomJohn: but you do not *need* them
12:06<Maulkin>.o(Though you may be able to get them from
12:06<RandomJohn>witte, ok.. so i dealy the other workarounds until i know, what i'm exactly doing.. thanks for the help so far :)
12:07<witte>RandomJohn: that seems like a good idea, you will be able to work like this for quite a while, and maybe you will never feel the urge to repartition (or you will skrew your system totally and choose a different partition table afterwards :-))
12:08<rjent>Maulkin: is usplash better than splashy? If so why?
12:08<Maulkin>rjent: I have no idea.
12:09<rjent>Maulkin: Ok, well I am under the impression that splashy actually works like one would think.
12:09<Maulkin>I know usplash works for some people. No idea about splashy.
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12:10<kmilo>splashy works on sid, i don't have any problem..
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12:11<kmilo>i just add ro quiet splash vga=79 to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:12<rjent>Maulkin: thanks for your assistance.
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12:18<jae>Crap, Debian box down again... sort of, and I'm loathe to kill it
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12:20<padski>"down again ... sort of"
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12:21[~]fxiny reconfigures locales : problems with the "$" size ...
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12:21<witte>fxiny: it keeps getting smaller huh
12:21<fxiny>witte: is a dot :))
12:22<witte>fxiny: :-)
12:22<jagerman>I have the opposite problem, in en_CA it keeps getting bigger.
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12:23<fxiny>witte: maybe is a bug : i'll fire a report , i want to be named in the next BOFH ;)
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12:27<jae>Down in that it didn't react to almost anything, it only showed a frozen xscreensaver image
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12:28<jae>sort of in that I could ping it and nmap even showed open ports (and thus, some reaction)
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12:28<jae>But an ssh attempt just hung there
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12:29<jae>I could do a magic sysreq reboot... but apparently, a sync didn't work (and I had *that* exact same behavior at least once before)
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12:30<jae>The box had an uptime of 2 1/2 weeks... of course, that's not really good enough :)
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12:30[~]witte wants to brag with his 293 days uptime server :-)
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12:34<fxiny>a frozen xscreensaver ? is it gnome ?
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12:35<fxiny>i had that problem too
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12:36<fxiny>shortly after etch was released
12:37<fxiny>i hit the reset button , then i asked jm_ but can't remember what he told me
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12:40<reflect>how do I give a user besides root the ability to access my second harddrive?
12:41<Zathras>man chown / man chmod
12:41<jagerman>Mount it somewhere and give appropriate permissions to the mount point
12:41<jagerman>Unless you mean really raw, low-level access.
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12:41<jagerman>But that isn't a great idea.
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12:44<ashley>Hello, i am running Debian Unstable for the last 4 days i have run apt-get update & apt-get upgrade and not a single update.
12:44<ashley>Just wondering if something has gone wrong.
12:44<Eulex>nothing held back?
12:44<Eulex>in any case, might be something with your mirror if there really is nothing.
12:45<witte>ftp-master is down
12:45<witte>this means no updates go the mirrors, and unstable is now quite stable :-)
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12:45<ashley>Do they know when it will be back up?
12:46<fxiny>4 days ? you are missing a perl fix ! > libperl5.8 perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules perl-suid
12:46<ashley>What do you mean by that?
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12:48<ashley>Ah thanks.
12:48<ashley>Just have to wait then.
12:49<ashley>Thanks. Bye
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13:06<mildner>what is the best datarescue program
13:06<Eulex>for rescuing what from what?
13:07<witte>mildner: backups?
13:07<mildner>ext3 HD
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13:07<mildner>witte: I know
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13:08<mildner>witte: are you german?
13:08<Eulex>it's nearly impossible to rescue deleted files from an ext3 partition.
13:08<witte>mildner: now, belgian
13:08<mildner>thats what I think too, but I have to try it is very pregous
13:09<mildner>pregous-----> importand :)
13:09<witte>mildner: is it plain text or binairy files
13:09<mildner>everything fotos and more
13:09<Eulex>basically, when you deleted the files, it deleted all references between files and data. you have no file-data relations left.
13:09<Eulex>you have to look at raw disk sectors and try to figure out what data there is in each one, and try to puzzle it together manually.
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13:10<Eulex>mildner, and if you really care about the data, do _not_ even try to mount it.
13:10<mildner>Eulex: how can I access it or find the sektors what program or tool
13:11<mildner>it was and now it is mounted
13:11<Eulex>mildner, dd, and the device file is /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*
13:11<witte>mildner: you can grep the disk: grep <something> /dev/gda
13:11<rkos>how do i log out of xserver to get to the pure textbased one?
13:11<Eulex>mildner, then unmount it immediately.
13:11<jooe> can be try for this?
13:12<jthomas>why would I get "status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }" for ALL THREE of my hard drives?
13:12<mildner>I didnt write on it
13:12<Eulex>mildner, every second a piece of your precious data could be overwritten.
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13:12<mildner>since then I dont write on it
13:12<Eulex>mildner, no _you_ didn't, but a system usually has something to write. like log files.
13:13<mildner>I see
13:13<mildner>but if I unmount it how can I find the data
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13:14<Eulex>you read directly from the device file of the partition. it's /dev/sd* or /dev/hd*. you can use any program that can read from raw device streams.
13:14<Eulex>that said, there is supposed to be some recovery utility for ext3 that finds and tries to recover deleted jpeg files.
13:14<jooe>so hachoire
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13:15<mildner>that whould be fine
13:15<Eulex>I haven't used it, though.
13:15<jooe>me neither
13:16<mildner>did you already tell the name of the tool?
13:16<jooe>it's python scripts
13:17<Eulex>there's supposed to be some other utility that's specific to jpeg files
13:17<Eulex>but that one looks good too,
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13:19<rkos>how do you install .tar.gz packages?
13:19<dpkg>to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ...
13:20<witte>rkos: and afterwards read teh README and/or INSTALL text
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13:20<jthomas>photorec i think its named, to recover images... not sure hto
13:20<jthomas>why would I get "status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }" for ALL THREE of my hard drives?
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13:21<EmleyMoor>alevt-cap and subtitles seem to depend on the existence of /dev/vbi which under udev doesn't. How do I correct this (either by pointing alevt-cap to the right place or making a link on a permanent basis)?
13:21<Eulex>some incompatibility with your disk controller, perhaps? or perhaps you have three of the same drive?
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13:24<Supaplex>~sing three broken drives
13:24<Supaplex>(to the tune of three blind mice)
13:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... subtitles doesn't work any more anyway
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13:25<ntrabal>good afternoon everyone
13:25<mildner>does anybody know how to use Hachoir
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13:27<ntrabal>trying to login as root in debian, but it says is not allowed...Help please....
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13:28<witte>ntrabal: you can not log in as root in the graphical user interface, or also not on console?
13:28<m_g>hey guys, i just upgraded using dist-upgrade and it installed a new kernel (2.6.22, old was 2.6.18). however, it didn't update the links /initrd.img and /vmlinuz .. will setting these to the new files be enough to have the new kernel after rebooting?
13:28<ntrabal>i can use su to act as root, but the graphic interface doesn't allow the root user
13:29<EmleyMoor>ntrabal: Indeed. Do you need it to?
13:29<JasonS>ntrabal: thats correct and by design
13:29<witte>ntrabal: you could install sux, which would allow that, or you could use sudo
13:29<EmleyMoor>I use the "root terminal" window with gksu's assistance
13:29<witte>but as JasonS tries to indicate, using the gui as root is not a very good idea
13:32<m_g>anybody? :)
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13:32<ntrabal>the thing is that i have to move a few folders from my home /home/ntrabal/wrk to the /var/www folder and it says don't have priviledges for tat
13:32<EmleyMoor>After I have used alacarte to edit menus, is there any way to make my changes live on my current session?
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13:33<witte>ntrabal: you can just su to root, and do cp /home/ntrabal/wrk /var/www
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13:33<witte>probably you will also need to change the permissions afterwards
13:33<TumaT>someone know how to create a repo with signed Realese
13:34<JasonS>ntrabal: so open a term logged on as your user, su to root and move them
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13:34<fxiny>ntrabal: or if you want a "shade" of a gui run mc as root
13:35<rkos>why does my desktop and filebrowser crash every now and then
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13:37[~]fxiny tar xvf BOFH.tar.bz2
13:37<TumaT>someone know how to create a repo with signed Realese
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13:41<m_g>nobody? :/
13:41<Eulex>fxiny, he'll be fat anyway.
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13:41<Eulex>fxiny, ah. fatter, that is.
13:42<petemc>m_g: assuming your bootloader is configured correctly, sure
13:42<sasha>hi when i right clik -> properties on a file on the gnome desktop, gnome crash with the following crash detail couls someone help please
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13:42<ntrabal>permissions chane did anyway i will like to sign in as root
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13:42<m_g>petemc, i have lilo with just one entry.. is that ok?
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13:43<petemc>m_g: better to have the old, working entry in there as well
13:43<m_g>petemc, this is a remote machine, i can't choose an entry at boot :/
13:44<petemc>grub has fallback kernel options, perhaps lilo does too
13:44<m_g>oh it has? didn't know
13:44<m_g>i could install grub, but that's a risk too
13:44<petemc>sure is
13:44<petemc>updating kernels on a machine you dont have out of band access to always has some risk
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13:46<m_g>petemc, atm i don't have anything important on the machine, so i guess the best would be to install grub to have a fallback option for later kernel upgrades
13:46<cusco>hmm I did so to a remote machine and had no problem... I use grub tho
13:46<m_g>cusco, did you do a simple aptitude install grub or something else?
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13:47<cusco>m_g: when I first installed I chosed grub. but I did't need to fall back to old kernel, new one just booted ok after dist-upgrade
13:47<fxiny>Eulex: yeahh fat fat , sorry for the delay but i was checking fetora pulseaudio hype . it seems fetora loves ubuntu :P
13:47<fxiny>we are the first blablabla
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13:48<m_g>cusco, ah i see
13:48[~]Supaplex mummifies fxiny in years old masking tape featuring supper gummy adhesive
13:49<petemc>cusco: lots of people, myself included, upgrade kernels on remote machines, that doesnt make what i said any less valid, and the fact you updated a kernel offers no level of protection for m_g
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13:52<TA>how can i copy with scp. i know the source-host, but i do not know my own "host" parameters.
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13:54<cusco>petemc: I don't mean to "invalidate" what you said
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13:56<petemc>cusco: ok sorry :)
13:56<petemc>im hungover and grumpy
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13:56<Supaplex>!feed petemc
13:56[~]dpkg gives petemc a feeding he'll *never* forget.
13:57<Supaplex>lol bad dpkg :P
13:57<Supaplex>dpkg: be nice
13:57<dpkg>be nice is probably don't be mean, be nice..
13:58<m_g>petemc, i'll just try now!
13:58<petemc>TA: "scp user@host:file ." would put the file in pwd
13:58<petemc>m_g: good luck
13:58<fxiny>Supaplex: hey , i've been to Bertl_ lair a couple of times : someone expolited your nick over there !
13:59<Supaplex>fxiny: uh yeah. me?
13:59<sasha>(nm-applet:5558): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service what is the problem
13:59<fxiny>Supaplex: maybe a virtual you ;)
13:59<sasha>could someone help no information on google
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14:00<fxiny>Supaplex: anyway i installed bpo util-vserver , my first etch bpo
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14:00<m_g>petemc, luck isn't enough :/
14:00<fxiny>newvserver is deprecated so i had to
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14:01<Supaplex>huh? vserver foo build -m debootstrap -- -m url://mirror.etc/debian
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14:01<TA>petemc: no, it doesnot work.
14:01<petemc>TA: yes, it does
14:02<m_g>that's just crazy.. how can a dist-upgrade break the kernel when it's supposed to upgrade it
14:02<m_g>didn't happen for the first time to me
14:02<petemc>m_g: you're using unstable?
14:02<fxiny>still can't get -m clone method right , i keep on cping and deleting/renaming symlinks
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14:02<m_g>oh, forget what i said.. it just took longer than usually to boot this time
14:02<m_g>Linux srv182 2.6.22-2-amd64 :)
14:02<m_g>petemc, i had etch but upgraded to testing
14:03<fxiny>Supaplex: who wrote vserver docs ? the mafia ? it seems most of the stuff is missing :P
14:03<kevinl>is it possible to have nautilus/gnome-volume-manager ignore a particular disk, so that it does not place an icon on the desktop for it?
14:04<kevinl>I am booting my system from compact flash, and I do not want to compact flash drive appearing as an icon on the user desktop.
14:04<Supaplex>fxiny: that would be who stole them, not wrote them.
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14:05<TA>petemc, okay, the dot... :) thx
14:06<TA>and how can i copy to the other side?
14:06<Supaplex>scp this.txt who@there:/where/what.txt
14:07<petemc>or just scp this.txt user@host:. , to put it in the home dir of user
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14:11<fxiny>Supaplex: take man vserver-build.8 which is supposed to show clone options . can't find it anywhere , i've downloadsed sources too . vserver ... build --help can't help about : clone ... -- [-d <distribution>] --source <source>
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14:12<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
14:12<Supaplex>fxiny: :) please fix it! hehe
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14:12<Mr_Giraffe>hey, for some reason i can't login to my computer using a metacity session
14:12<Mr_Giraffe>it just shows the cursor and a solid background, nothing loads at all
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14:13<fxiny>Supaplex : i've tried almost every options in a bruteforce attempt :)
14:14<Supaplex>fxiny: you need to hang out in #vserver more and let them rub off on you.
14:14<Mr_Giraffe>does anybody here have experience with metacity?
14:15<fxiny>Supaplex: and vserver-copy ? hahahah , complained about a missing <vserver name>.conf . i've touched it up ! and it starded :)
14:15<fxiny>Supaplex: the guys over there are polite but pretty busy
14:15<Supaplex>yes they are
14:16<kevinl>is it possible to "blacklist" a particular volume/partition from being mounted?
14:16<kevinl>so that gnome doesnt automount it
14:17<kevinl>or cant, rather
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14:23<ale1987>alguen sabe me diser oke faço para corrigir o dpkg
14:24<ale1987>pois nao consigo entrar en sinaptyc
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14:28<dpkg>i heard #debian-es is debian channel for spanish users
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14:31<Mr_Giraffe>does anybody here have experience with metacity?
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14:36<Supaplex>Mr_Giraffe: you should spell it flwm ;)
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14:36<mildner>anybody here who knows how to use Hacoir to recover data
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14:37<Mr_Giraffe>ahahaha Supaplex
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14:37<Mr_Giraffe>i actually don't mind metacity, it's just that...something is broken
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14:38<Mr_Giraffe>plus, flwm is kinda boxy for my tastes
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14:38<Mr_Giraffe>if i could find a window manager that had an awesome retro flavor, though...
14:38<Supaplex>it's about all I can tollerate on the p133 I had
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14:40<Mr_Giraffe>ahahaha, oh
14:40<Mr_Giraffe>anyway, do you have any experience with it?
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14:40<Supaplex>not yet. no plans to soon.
14:40<Mr_Giraffe>well this bites.
14:40<fxiny>what what what ? fluxbox rulez :P
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14:41<Supaplex>!start a wm war
14:41<dpkg>GNOME bites!
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14:41<Supaplex>that's no war
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14:44<fxiny>nothing is better then flux : i heard fluxbox will be the official Cisco desktop starting tomorrow (Cisco -8%) ;)
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14:44<dasenjo>since I'm using etch I get warnings about /dev/rtc and timers. I have ignored them, but there is a really nasty one, it is flooding my tty1 saying: rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024 Hz. It is shown when I load ztdummy and disappear with it when is unloaded, can someone please explian or help me to solve it?
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14:45<dasenjo>zaptel-modules is compiled with m-a
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14:50<dasenjo>no ideas?
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15:17<Supaplex>sounds like an asterisk question. the * heads would see that more
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15:18<logyati>is there a way to redirect all traffic going to x.x.x.x:22 to y.y.y.y:22 using iptables? im asking it just for example... i need everytime i try to access an ip from my desktop, it redirects me to another one
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15:18<dpkg>somebody said dnat was Destination NAT (ask me about NAT) or
15:18<dkr>logyati: yes, it is called port forwarding
15:18<dkr>yeah, dnat is a better term. :)
15:18<Supaplex>logyati: read up on dpkg's fine words. :)
15:19<Mr_Giraffe>oh god
15:19<Mr_Giraffe>debian just uninstalled gnome by itself
15:19<dkr>no it didn't
15:19<Mr_Giraffe>dkr, i couldn't start anything gnome-related
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15:19<Supaplex>that's hardly conclusive
15:19<logyati>i tried iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 21141 -j DNAT --to and it didnt work
15:20<Mr_Giraffe>also, it said gnome wasn't installed when i checked aptitude
15:20<dkr>logyati: uhm, you are redirecting to the same amchine?
15:20<logyati>well, what i tried to do with it didnt work... is there a way to test if iptables is really active?
15:20<logyati>dkr, yes, to the same machine
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15:21<Supaplex>logyati: check the counters? iptabls -t nat -L -v -n
15:21<dkr>logyati: are you putting this rule ona firewall, or just your workstation?
15:21<logyati>dkr, workstation
15:22<logyati>drk, im on my laptop now
15:22<martian67>does anyone know the name of the java program that allowed one computers mouse and keyboard to be used on another computer transparently by moving your mouse to the side of your screen?
15:22<logyati>Supaplex, what u mean?
15:23<logyati>dkr, if iptables is running, should i see a process or something?
15:23<koollman>martian67: well .. I know a program doing that, but it's not java. (synergy)
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15:24<dkr>logyati: so you want to modify outgoing packets to go to your own machine instead?
15:24<martian67>koollman: is it free and cross platform?
15:24<dkr>logyati: iptables is just a tool to modify kernel settings. Supaplex gave you command to see current rules
15:24<koollman>martian67: yes (free as in free speech)
15:24<logyati>dkr, oh i understand, there... the rules are there
15:24<martian67>nice thnx
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15:24<logyati>i want to modify the destination of a program
15:25<dkr>martian67: also x2x
15:25<logyati>drk, let me explain to you... i wanna play a game, but my ips doenst allow connection to its port
15:25<mildner>anybody who can tell me how to use Python parser to see data
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15:26<logyati>dkr, so, i did ssh -L paulo@my-ssh-host
15:26<dkr>that's tcp, your iptables rule was for udp
15:26<logyati>dkr, the game server is now i should make iptables redirect all traffic that the game send to, to
15:27<antony>hi all.. is there a mirror for "deb etch/updates main contrib" in asia? it's too slow for me.. i tried "deb etch/updates" main contrib but it doesn't work.. is fast for me..
15:27<logyati>dkr, oh i thought it would work with udp too
15:28<logyati>dkr, immm damn it.. so, do you know another way to do that?
15:28<Supaplex>logyati: xxxx, ip.ip.ip.ip, dmz.dmz.dmz.dmz are different values (I masked them before making it public). See columns 1 and 2?
15:28<logyati>Supaplex, hmmm... ty :)
15:28<dkr>logyati: chaneg the dnat rule to -p tcp instead of -p udp?
15:29<logyati>dkr, no, the game uses tcp
15:29<dkr>the udp still won't go over the tunnel though since ssh just listening on tcp port
15:29<logyati>dkr, no, ops, udp
15:29<logyati>dkr, the game uses udp
15:29<logyati>dkr, is there a way to create udp tunnel?
15:29<dkr>probably, read the docs. :)
15:30<dkr>actually, not probably
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15:31<dkr>kind of hard to do encryption without guaranteed delivery of packets. maybe you could use some other kind of tunnel though
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15:32<dkr>kind of weird that an isp would block a high port used for gaming though.
15:32<dkr>try complaining to them about it. :)
15:32<logyati>dkr, its a very restricted one
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15:34<logyati>dkr, i found it
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15:34<ameyer>you probably could write something kind of like stunnel that listens on a UDP port and forwards the packets wherever they need to go, if it doesn't already exist
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15:35<logyati>dkr nice, it uses mkfifo!
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15:35<koollman>socat would work too
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15:41<monellino>mu wenas
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15:57<solanaceo>Folks. First, hello. Second, why isn't etch shipping webmin? and, is it possible to set-up a PPP dial-in server with webmin (i mean using webmin's ease of use)?
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15:58<dpkg>webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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15:59<chealer>solanaceo: it was removed from
15:59<chealer>testing before the release
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16:00<solanaceo>Well.. then any how-to for ppp-dial with mgetty in etch/lenny? The most i found was for i am following a mixture of different how-to's focused to other distros (leaf, redhat...), but i would really like a debian one (and possibly, updated)
16:01<solanaceo>ppp-dial = PPP Dial-in
16:01<chealer>dpkg: no, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
16:01<dpkg>chealer: okay
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16:18<kreator>hi where can i download e17 desktop for debian etch ?
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16:21<gpm>kreator: apt-cache search enlightenment
16:22<gpm>aptitude install [package you're after]
16:22<lupine>e17 isn't ready yet :p
16:22<lupine>maybe another 10 years
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16:23<chealer>gpm: etch has version 0.16 of enlightenment
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16:24<kreator>yea i want e17 :D
16:24<kreator>cant wait 10 years lol :D
16:24<Eulex>compile it yourself, or find third-party packages
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16:30<chealer>gpm: no, it's not in any release.
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16:35<GottesDiener>can you give me some advices about graphic cards? I wanna buy a notebook, what do you recommend me on graphic cards (ATI or nvidia)?
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16:36<ifvoid>GottesDiener: Intel
16:37<GottesDiener>..of course according to an linux (possibly Debian) installation
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16:37<lupine>GottesDiener: intel or ATi
16:37<chealer>GottesDiener: are you ready to use non-free drivers?
16:37<Supaplex>intel with mixed feelings.
16:37<GottesDiener>chealer, no idea how it funktions!
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16:39<ifvoid>GottesDiener: I think intel is you best bet if you want it to Just Work
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16:39<ifvoid>although I have heard that the latest cards aren't very well supported yet
16:40<lupine>ATi/AMD are getting better all the time
16:40<lupine>nVidia are currently back of the pack
16:40<GottesDiener>ifvoid, I'll preffer to run xgl
16:40<ifvoid>I don't think the ati driver are there yet
16:41<lupine>GottesDiener: not in Debian, you won't
16:41<GottesDiener>does intel chips support rendering and such things needed to run the interface
16:41<lupine>AIGLX all the way, with all the graphics cards
16:41<chealer>GottesDiener: I'd say NVIDIA, unless you didn't mean to exclude others.
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16:41<ifvoid>GottesDiener: enough for compiz, if that's what you're worried about
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16:41<ifvoid>GottesDiener: not enough to please the latest games though
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16:42<GottesDiener>I dont play games just for compiz perhaps
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16:43<chealer>GottesDiener: then why not Intel?
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16:44<GottesDiener>lupine, you wrote I aint never could install xgl under debian no matter witch card I use!
16:44<lupine>pretty much. You use AIGLX instead of XGL
16:45<lupine>compiz will run equally happily under either
16:45<dpkg>[xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see, or deprecated and unsupported
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16:50<GottesDiener>I have now an integrated ati chip (radeon xpress 200) under an amd64-architekture with a 2.6.18-4-amd64 kernel, tired to install/run xgl or aiglx withous succes!
16:50<GottesDiener>thanks all for help
16:50<lupine>GottesDiener: AIGLX is already installed
16:51<lupine>of course, it's only compatible with the newest fglrx driver, or the Free 'ati'/'radeon' driver
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16:55<GottesDiener>okay, I'd not annoy you with my stupid questions but i cant knew the difference why did I run this under mandriva and not under etch
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16:57<r0bis>has anyone seen file named 0 appearing in home directory? size = 0 bytes
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16:59<avtobiff_>r0bis, it will if i do touch 0
16:59<avtobiff_>but now i deleted it
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17:00<r0bis>funny thing, but I don't seem to `touch 0`
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17:02<rkos>im having a bit of trouble installing these drivers
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17:03<lupine>rkos: don't use the installer from the nvidia website if you can possibly avoid it
17:03<lupine>they're packaged in debian
17:03<rkos>are they?
17:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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17:03<avtobiff>!nvidia one-liner
17:03<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
17:04<lupine>you might need to backport a sid kernel to get the 100 series though
17:04<lupine>(they don't compile against 2.6.18 IIRC)
17:04<chealer>rkos: they're not "in" Debian, but Debian distributes them.
17:04<avtobiff>download a new kernel and roll yourself
17:04<chealer>lupine: shouldn't be any need for that
17:05<lupine>chealer: if he absolutely requires the 100.14.19 version of the driver, he requires the sid or lenny kernel
17:05<rkos>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
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17:05<lupine>don't forget to enable the non-free repository
17:05<rkos>im on lenny
17:06<rkos>yeah i should have the non-frees added in the list if thats what you mean
17:06<themill>isn't nvidia hosed in lenny?
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17:06<lupine>it was when they had the .21 kernel
17:06<rkos>there pasted it earlier today for something else
17:06<chealer>lupine: what's the minimal Linux version?
17:07<lupine>chealer: depends on the graphics card
17:07<themill>lupine: yeah well.. but the wiki also lists an X ABI problem
17:07<lupine>hmm. I'm running sid X, now I think about it
17:07<rkos>so what should i do?
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17:07<lupine>rkos: seppuku is usually a good solution
17:08<chealer>lupine: huh? why wouldn't 100.14.19 work with etch's Linux?
17:08<lupine>because nvidia.ko refuses to compile against it
17:08<chealer>rkos: from which version do the nvidia drivers support your card?
17:08<lupine>give it a try - you'll see what I mean
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17:08<chealer>lupine: any reference?
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17:09<chealer>I have no etch under the hands
17:09<lupine>erm. not offhand. let me peek around
17:09<rkos>i dont know, where can i check that
17:09<chealer>lupine: is it specific to Etch or for any Linux 2.6.18?
17:10<lupine>any 2.6.18
17:10<lupine>kernel API changed IIRC
17:10<chealer>lupine: and it's fine with...>= 2.6.19?
17:10<martian67>anyone know of a network sound server that runs in windows and linux?
17:11<chealer>themill: not really, the drivers are just not there.
17:11<ifvoid>martian67: jack perhaps?
17:12<lupine>chealer: I know it compiles with .22. it didn't with .21 due to paravirt-ops. Dunno about .19-.20
17:12<chealer>lupine: OK. .20 also has the paravirt bug.
17:13<martian67>ifvoid, except apps have to be jackified
17:13<martian67>i am looking for something that takes everything on the windows side
17:13<martian67>and transports it to the linux side
17:13<themill>chealer: *shrug* I thought it was removed from testing because it was fundamentally broken with the X in testing... but I care not about nvidia stuff as I don't have any so I don't follow it
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17:14<lupine>rkos: I would pull xorg and the kernel from unstable, but I don't do production boxes
17:14<chealer>themill: it was removed because of the PARAVIRT bug.
17:15<chealer>rkos: oh, sorry, I missed your reply. please highlight people when answering them. what's your card.
17:15[~]lupine is happy because he can be an unqualified AMD fanboi again when he goes shopping next
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17:22<oroneta>Hola a todos, siento hacer spam, pero padezco una enfermedad rara, sin cura, y se están recogiendo firmas para que se investigue más ese tipo de enfermedades, ya que al ser pocos afectados, no les interesamos a nadie. Confío en que el espíritu del software libre vaya más allá de la informática y nos deis vuestro apoyo. la dirección donde firmar es: Un saludo y muchas gracias.
17:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:29<taz_>hi.. im look for tech support ph nbr ??
17:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:30<chealer>taz_: what's your native language?
17:30<Eulex>taz_, debian itself provides no such support. there are a number of companies providing support for debian, though, but then you'll have to pay.
17:31<chealer>taz_: I don't understand your question.
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17:31<Eulex>taz_, you're welcome to ask questions in here, though. volunteers will try to help you.
17:31<taz_>since u said debian itself provides no such support. there are a number of companies providing support for debian, though, but then you'll have to pa
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17:34<chealer>that sounded like a qotd
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17:41<danyaelx>I'd like a friendly advice on "set run action" in fluxbox with mplayer, all I get is permission denied and Google doen't give me anything on the topic.
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17:46<[DJ]-FIREWORKS>good night all
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17:48<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gianni
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17:55<valdyn>!permission denied
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18:02<r0bis>good night
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18:53<antinull>I need some help
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18:53<kakbrezvez>hey, how can i downgrade from lenny to etch
18:53<antinull>Debian aparently installed apache automatically and i want to remove it to isntall xampp
18:53<chealer>!tell kakbrezvez about downgrade
18:53<streuner>kakbrezvez: re-install
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18:54<kakbrezvez>or, how can i compile nvidia module with nvidia-installer with 4.1 version of gcc
18:54<kakbrezvez>or, how can i downgrade gcc from 4.2 to 4.1
18:54<streuner>install that package
18:54<streuner>and use that
18:54<dpkg>the GNU Compiler Collection. see or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever"
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18:55<kakbrezvez>yea but nvidia-installer is binary
18:55<streuner>anyway, if you install 4.1 the symlink should point to 4.1
18:55<antinull>my webserver is making me nuts im seriousily about to install windows me.....
18:55<themill>I'm not sure if nvidia installer respects the GCC env variable
18:55<streuner>dont use the nvidia crap
18:55<kakbrezvez>so what should i use
18:55<kakbrezvez>if i have nvidia card
18:56<antinull>Does anyone know how to remove the apache that is autoinstalled with debian? i need to remove it to properly install XAMPP
18:56<travis>i think if you tell dpkg about nvidia he has some instructions
18:56<kakbrezvez>hmm, so all i need to do is insert nv module?
18:56<streuner>!drxx kakbrezvez
18:56<dpkg>kakbrezvez: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
18:56<themill>antinull: why on earth would you do that?
18:57<streuner>and choose "nv"
18:57<travis>if you have a card like the gs7900 the nv module doesnt seem to control the card fan, so it's going full crank always
18:57<kakbrezvez>i have that now but it is not rendering 3d :D
18:57<antinull>trying to install everything individually isdriving me freaking insane
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18:57<antinull>mysql lost its root login and i couldnt remove or re-install it
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18:57<themill>antinull: debian has a package management system for a reason. xampp is not in debian for a reason. you join the dots....
18:58<themill>antinull: let's start with one question at a time.
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18:58<bzed>antinull: you do NOT... I repeat NOT want to install weird things linke XAMP on your system. Debian ships everything that comes with XAMP, so use the debian packages.
18:58[~]antinull slams his head on his desk
18:58<streuner>kakbrezvez: read nvidia-glx docs then
18:58<themill>!tell antinull about forgot mysql root password
18:58<streuner>kakbrezvez: factoid nvidia-oneliner should be helpful too
18:58<antinull>well now i need to re-install debain AGAIN then....
18:58<bzed>antinull: why?
18:58[~]antinull crys a little
18:59<bzed>debian is NOT windows.
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18:59<antinull>no i DELITED the root login not the password for mysql
18:59<bzed>antinull: and?
18:59<bzed>antinull: still not a reason to reinstall.
18:59<bzed>read what dpkg told you.
18:59<antinull>how do i remove xampp then
18:59<antinull>yeah i see that
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18:59<antinull>i allready re-installed
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19:00<bzed>antinull: no clue :)
19:00<antinull>so now all i have are pre-configured packages and xampp
19:00<kakbrezvez>symlink is great idea, tried with alias, dont work prolly installer looks somewhere else for gcc version, dont understand why nvidia-installer is crap, maybe cuz its not opensource
19:01<bzed>kakbrezvez: no, because it removes parts of your system and fails to restore them when you need to upgrade them
19:01<antinull>ok i delited xampp
19:01<antinull>ok im back to square one with a fresh install
19:01<bzed>anyway. good night, only 5 hours sleep left
19:01<kakbrezvez>great explaination
19:01<streuner>!nvidia-installer really sucks
19:01<dpkg>We don't tell you not to use drivers from for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
19:01<kakbrezvez>it makes sense
19:01<antinull>is there a good guide to getting mysql,apache,php,and a ftp up and running on debain specifically? the guide i was using didnt work completly
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19:02<kakbrezvez>so u guys trying to tell me that nv module render 3D?
19:03<streuner>you dont pay attention
19:03<kakbrezvez>sorry i dont understand u completley :P
19:03<streuner>streuner> kakbrezvez: read nvidia-glx docs then
19:03<antinull>okay sorry im getting pretty stressed here
19:03<kakbrezvez>ok ok, sorry for your time :D
19:04<antinull>ive spent the last 4 hours trying to figure out mysql and now im screwed i think
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19:04<kakbrezvez>antinull, u need to geek it out :D
19:04<antinull>yeah 4 hours of that and im stressed....
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19:05<antinull>is there a good guide to getting mysql,apache,php,and a ftp up and running on debain specifically? the guide i was using didnt work completly
19:06<dpkg>somebody said xampp was a way of way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd zlib libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>
19:06<chealer>dpkg: no, nvidia-installer really sucks is <reply>We don't tell you not to use the installer from for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break horribly, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it right the first time - ask me about <ngd>.
19:06<dpkg>okay, chealer
19:07<antinull>okay, fuck it windows me here i come.... god im such a loser
19:08<chealer>antinull: please watch your language.
19:08<antinull>erm sorry
19:08<antinull>W***dows M*
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19:09<streuner>if you give up that fast, you arent good enough for any OS then...
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19:09<streuner>because you will get with any OS problems, be sure
19:09<antinull>Ive spent the last week getting php apache and a ftp running
19:09<antinull>then it all goes to shit with mysql
19:10<streuner>sure, thats not a lesson for newbies, you admin stuff...
19:10<antinull> yeah..... 4 hours and not being able to do anything isnt giving up easy
19:10<streuner>thats admin work...
19:11<witte>antinull: how long did it take you to learn windows?
19:11<antinull>well i started with 3.11 and dos
19:11<witte>antinull: for me it took quite some time (years before I could do most of of)
19:11<antinull>and i was pretty fluent right off the bat
19:11<witte>antinull: and you were an instant expert?
19:11<streuner>hm, so about 92-93
19:11<antinull>pretty much....
19:11<antinull>yeah i was 8 years old
19:12<antinull>brand new top of the line 486 ;)
19:12<witte>antinull: so datebases, maintain systems, running webservers all went within one day
19:12<streuner>and now you expect that 4 hours is enough to become a unix guru?
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19:12<witte>antinull: respect
19:12<antinull>im going to chill and take this easy
19:12<witte>antinull: good idea :-)
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19:13<antinull>i basically wrecked a weeks work in 4 hours lol
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19:13<witte>antinull: search for "lamp debian" on the web, that usually helps for installing linux apache mysql and php (hence the lamp)
19:13<antinull>okay so i accidently removed the packaged mysql and php
19:14<antinull>how do i get them back
19:14<themill>antinull: is a good resource. it has good articles on how to do these sorts of things
19:14<antinull>i used (apt-get remove php4,5,mysqlclient/server)
19:14<chealer>antinull: what's your favorite package manager?
19:15<witte>antinull: ok, now do the same, but install instead of remove
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19:15<antinull>it didnt work before
19:16<kakbrezvez>nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx for sid wont work on lenny right?
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19:17<chealer>kakbrezvez: not the prebuilt binary package, no
19:17[~]antinull takes a deep breath
19:18<antinull>is a good refrence
19:18<streuner>antinull: just start with apache, step by step...
19:18<witte>antinull: you might want to find a debian specific website
19:18<antinull>oh okay
19:19<witte>debian does things a little different (and those little differences are hardest to find when you are a newby)
19:19<themill>witte: it is
19:19<witte>ah, it
19:19<kakbrezvez>ok, i need little more explanations about basics, i dont understand this kernel version filosophy, what is 2.6-686 image in comparison to 2.6.22-686
19:19<antinull>thats a debian/unbuntu site?
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19:19<witte>it is, sorry, the website you gave is such a site, so it is a good one
19:19<streuner>kakbrezvez: meta-package which install the package you need...
19:19<chealer>kakbrezvez: did you check the package descriptions?
19:19<themill>antinull: but think before you type; learn what you are doing and why; you probably don't actually need to do all of it.
19:20<witte>antinull: sorry, i answered a bit to fast
19:20<kakbrezvez>but i dont have 2.6-686 package right now installed
19:20<antinull>okay, yeah i know this is a PITA to do... lol i still wish my pos winme machine hadnt died lol
19:20<antinull>mysql pretty much did that machine in
19:20<streuner>kakbrezvez: you dont need to, if you have the right kernel installed already
19:21<antinull>not enough power in a p2 ;)
19:21<themill>!tell antinull about backups
19:21<kakbrezvez>i only have 2.6.22-686 installed and when i try to install nvidia legacy, it wants to install 2.6-686 too
19:21<streuner>ok, just do that
19:21<kakbrezvez>hehe ok
19:22<streuner>2.6-686 is only a meta-package, a few kilobyte not more
19:22<themill>kakbrezvez: it's just a virtual package that depends on the latest kernel you have available to help you with upgrades
19:22<themill>bah.. .meta not virtual
19:22[~]themill is sleepy.... time for bed!
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19:23<kakbrezvez>so every kernel later on is inherited from it ?
19:24<kakbrezvez>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
19:24<streuner>you need the headers as well
19:25<antinull>okay the guide on says to upload "the .htaccess file"
19:25<antinull>ummm WHAT .htaccess file lol
19:26<themill>antinull: whatever one you want... why do you think you need one...
19:26<kakbrezvez>i have headers
19:26<streuner>ok, now start to read nvidia-glx docs (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian
19:26<kakbrezvez>u mean linux-headers for my version of kernel
19:27<antinull>it says to upload one.....nvm....
19:27<themill>antinull: we're not going to spoonfeed you here. We'll help you, guide you, point you at the docs.... but you have to learn to fish.
19:27<dpkg>somebody said fish was FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?
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19:29<dondelelcaro>dpkg: fish =~ s/FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE!/<reply>/
19:29<dpkg>dondelelcaro: OK
19:29<dondelelcaro>dpkg: fish =~ s/why not read some docs/ask us which docs to read, read them/
19:29<dpkg>dondelelcaro: OK
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19:34<kakbrezvez>thx for the help, gn to all
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19:34<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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19:36<dpkg>"Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?
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19:36<dondelelcaro>dpkg: fish =~ s/?/./
19:36<dpkg>OK, dondelelcaro
19:37<dondelelcaro>dpkg: fish =~ s/, i/. I/
19:37<dpkg>OK, dondelelcaro
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19:57<apeitheo>does debian automatically come with an ntp server setup?
19:57<Ganneff>if you type apt-get install ntp then yes
19:57<apeitheo>my time was automatically adjusted for daylight saving time, but I just noticed now that it says 4:57 when it's actually 7:58--what could be the cause of this?
19:58<apeitheo>it had the right time earlier today
19:59<blarson>apeitheo: Is the timezone correct? Are you running ntp? Is your hardware clock right?
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20:01<apeitheo>blarson, I'm not running ntp, and I assumed the timezone was correct since it haad the correct time earlier
20:02<apeitheo>blarson, I just installed ntp, and now the time is correct again--ohh, I think I know why--I rebooted into windows earlier
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20:04<apeitheo>I remember there being some option when I was installing debian about using the local clock or UTC or something?
20:04<apeitheo>since I never load up windows, is there some way I can change that to what it's supposed to be?
20:04<blarson>apeitheo: windows assumes it's the only thing that runs, that the hardware clock runs local time, and it messes with it when it thinks DST changes.
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20:05<blarson>apeitheo: Best cure is to not run windows. second best use utc local clock and tell windows no DST.
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20:06<apeitheo>blarson, well I never run windows, someone on my computer today just loaded it up for the first time in months, haha
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20:06[~]antinull cant wrap his head around linux file permissions
20:07<blarson>apeitheo: There's an option in one of the init files to tell debian the hardware clock is local time. But debian doesn't mess with it on DST, so it will cause problems.
20:07<gsimmons_>!tell antinull -about permissions
20:07<apeitheo>blarson, so if I'm running ntp now, I should be fine?
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20:08<blarson>apeitheo: You should still have debian and the hardware clock match, otherwise time will be messed up after reboot until it syncs.
20:09<apeitheo>blarson, I'm guessing I need to mess with /etc/init.d/
20:10<antinull>stuff is working
20:10<witte>apeitheo: no, i do not think so, i think it is "dpkg-reconfigre tzconfig
20:10<antinull>this feels pretty good
20:11<witte>antinull: you see, it takes at least 5 hours to learn something ;-)
20:11<antinull>stuff i couldnt get to run the frst time around it working now... and im following the same guide lol
20:12<witte>antinull: well, I would lie if i would tell you that everything always worked from the first time i tried something ;-)
20:12<apeitheo>witte, tzconfig isn't installed
20:13<apeitheo>witte, should I install it?
20:13<witte>apeitheo: one second, i wrote that by heart, i am not sure that it is the correct package
20:14<jagerman>apeitheo: If you want to change debian to assume it is UTC instead of localtime, change /etc/default/rcS
20:14<antinull>hmmm, should i install a mail server...?
20:14<witte>antinull: no
20:14<witte>and you also shouldn't install webmin
20:14<antinull>im installing phpmyadmin
20:15<antinull>and passworded it allready
20:15<witte>apeitheo: maybe you should just run tzconfig
20:15<apeitheo>witte, what jagerman said wouldn't work?
20:15<witte>antinull: phpmyadmin is better than webmin
20:15<antinull>so what is webmin?
20:15<dpkg>i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:15<antinull>same basic then then?
20:15<apeitheo>jagerman, should I disable ntp if I have UTC enableD?
20:16<witte>apeitheo: probably it will do the same thing, but tzconfig should be the clean way, but i am not very sure...
20:16<dpkg>webalizer is, like, a FREE log analyzer, or avaible at
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20:16<jagerman>apeitheo: The two are unrelated; ntp keeps your clock correct, UTC vs. local affects how debian interprets your hardware clock when you boot up.
20:16<antinull>so is webalizer a good idea witte?
20:17<witte>antinull: it is better but more limited in applications (webmin allows you to configure basically everything
20:17<blarson>apeitheo: Sounds right.
20:17<witte>antinull: i have no idea about webalizer, don't know it
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20:17<antinull>but webmin is unsafe
20:18<witte>antinull: but don't worry, you do not need any of them to run your system :-)
20:19<apeitheo>blarson, jagerman, witte: okay, well it's fixed now I think, thanks
20:20<apeitheo>until I rebooted, the time was great--I was even impressed that debian did the DST right away--even my brand new cell phone didn't change times
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20:22<antinull>webalizer is cool
20:22<antinull>it just loads usage logs
20:22<antinull>useful i guess....
20:22<antinull>time for ftp
20:22<witte>apeitheo: so you truly experienced the evil that is called <windows> :-)
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20:23<witte>antinull: why do you need ftp
20:23<antinull>hey watch your language witte ;)
20:23<antinull>to put my servers files back in from my other computer?
20:23<witte>antinull: use ssh, that is secure, and can transport files just as easily
20:24<apeitheo>witte, I think I might just remove it entirely, I haven't used it once since I've been here at college :)
20:24<antinull>um is it going to alow access outside of my network?
20:24<witte> antinull: to install an ssh server: apt-get install ssh
20:25<witte>antinull: yes
20:25<antinull>am i going to have problems with my other clients getting access?
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20:26<witte>apeitheo: yeah, i think that is the way most people start using linux, first 90 win, 10 linux, and slowly that changes to 100 linux, and you have that windows still there but never use it. Next step is that you need some extra space :-)
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20:26<witte>antinull: ssh is something that is per user: every user on the server can access it, but you need a password
20:27<antinull>isnt that how ftp works?
20:27<witte>antinull: you can do anonymous ftp
20:27<witte>antinull: all depends on what you want, just note that ftp is quite old, and not really secure
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20:28<antinull>heh... well im going with ftp for now i may try to use ssh
20:28<witte>antinull: I would install ssh anyhow, you can control your pc using ssh remotely
20:29<antinull>oh ok
20:29<antinull>i will look into it
20:29<antinull>i have a question
20:29<antinull>whenever i put a file from my windows pc onto my server they seem to have the wrong file permissions (not accessible from web browsers) is there a way to fix this or do i have to do it manually?
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20:30<witte>antinull: define "put a file from my windows pc"
20:30<antinull>ftp the file over ;)
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20:30<antinull>with smart ftp
20:31<witte>antinull: normally that file will have owner you and group also you? but which permissions?
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20:32<witte>antinull: can you upload a new file and afterwards go to a shell in linux and perform "ls -al <filename>" on that file?
20:32<antinull>let me try
20:32<antinull>the ftp is being stupid ;)
20:32<witte>antinull: and as weasel told, scp (part of ssh ;-)) could help :-)
20:33<witte>antinull: when you set up ssh, I would also advice you to look for putty on the web for on your wintendo
20:33<antinull>ok ill try ssh
20:33<antinull>lol wintendo
20:33<antinull>its a gaming computer
20:33<antinull>thats really all i use it for too ;)
20:34<antinull>so do you have a guide abotu ssh?
20:34<dpkg>it has been said that clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge.
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20:35<antinull>hmmmm free antivirus
20:35<witte>not really: apt-get install ssh on the server, and install putty on a windows box, or just ssh user@othermachine to gain access to othermachine
20:36<witte>antinull: what will you do with the antivirus?
20:36<antinull>lol ummm anti-null-virus things?
20:36<witte>if you want to load your processor, there are special programs for that
20:36<antinull>burn in utilitys?
20:37<witte>unless you set up a mailserver for windows hosts, or have something really important running, i would not consider antivirus
20:37<antinull>yes im shure my p3 1ghz processor is plently burned in ;) after many years of use
20:37<antinull>well i might be doing that eventually
20:37<witte>antinull: yes, cant remember their names, but there are some
20:38<antinull>ok im going to take a stab at this ssh thing
20:39<antinull>does it run automatically?
20:39<antinull>ok so i just need a client
20:39<antinull>any sugestions there?
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20:39<antinull>putty ... sounds like mudds ;)
20:39<witte>a client for windows or linux?
20:40<witte>putty is ok, and free
20:40<antinull>encryption is outlawed in places? wtff???
20:41<witte>probably countries that start with a U and have a wood as president :P
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20:42<antinull>okay so i have the putty open but now how do i send files?
20:42<witte>you have to log in to the server first
20:43<antinull>im logged in
20:43<antinull>and at the prompt for my user
20:43<witte>ah, ok, so this is how you can control your pc remotely
20:44<antinull>thats where i am with putty
20:44<witte>normally there should also be a window with two sides to drag from your pc to the other side
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20:45<antinull>erm nope
20:45<antinull>just a command line
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20:47<witte>mmm, i am not sure, I do not have windows anymore, so I cant look for it myself, if all else fails, have a look at the manual :-)
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20:48<witte>ok, according to some page I found on the web, you would like to have winscp next to putty
20:49<antinull>shoot... i forgot what configuration file i had to change so apache pints to /www not /www/apache2-default/
20:49<witte>the winscp would do the copying,
20:49<antinull>oh ok
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20:49<witte>I wonder which application I used to use (which had both parts in one application)
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20:56<etanoox>there is life?
20:56<etanoox>can i ask a question?
20:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:57<etanoox>ok :)
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21:00<antinull>ok the default page is gone yay
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21:00<antinull>now to figure out what ssh client witte is talking about
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21:01<witte>antinull: I think it was one i got from the university, but i am not sure, it has been a while
21:01<antinull>like that?
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21:02<witte>yep, that is it
21:02<antinull>so its just a completly seperate file transfering prog to the command line prog then?
21:03<witte>antinull: there is also a commandline in the same program
21:03<etanoox>can i install a debian in a machine that it running other live cd of linux???
21:04<etanoox>antinull what's your problem?
21:04<antinull>i am retarded
21:04<antinull>literally ;)
21:04<witte>etanoox: you mean if a live cd works, will debian also work?
21:04<witte>etanoox: in that case yes, debian should work as well
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21:05<etanoox>no, my problem is: i don't have now (3:05 pm) empty cd-rom/dvd
21:05<antinull>hey vpn.....
21:05<etanoox>but i have the .iso in a notebook with debian and i have 1 cd of live version of kororaa..
21:06<etanoox>can i "mount" the iso and boot my machine from this?
21:07<witte>etanoox: you probably can, but that won't be very trivial, and I can't help you with this for sure :-), you should ask a more knowledgable person about that :-)
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21:07<etanoox>:) ok
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21:08<witte>but there is a webpage that allows to convert to debian from windows directly
21:08<witte>but i forgot the name
21:08<etanoox>but there isn't a dvd light version??? (for example 300mb)
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21:08<witte>etanoox: there is a netinstall of about 150 MB
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21:09<etanoox>witte, the problem is that this version could not burn on dvd
21:09<etanoox>this version can be burn only to cdrom
21:09<CryptoMole>Hi people
21:09<etanoox>witte, i don't remember the name of the project
21:10<witte>etanoox: you mean the cdrom driver
21:10<etanoox>no cdrom optical support
21:10<CryptoMole>i have reason to beleve that i may have a kernel bug
21:10<etanoox>witte, it is more probabilly that i remember the name of netinstall
21:11<etanoox>but i don't remember
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21:11<witte>for the netinstall
21:11<antinull>hey witte thanks
21:11<antinull>this winscp is pretty neat ;)
21:12[~]antinull hugs witte
21:12<witte>!beer antinull
21:12[~]dpkg pulls out an excellent Franziskaner Hefeweizen for antinull
21:12<CryptoMole>I have a audigy2zs pcmcia snd card and when inserted I get not writing to ADC if i unplug and insert again i get a whole bunch of bad dmesg messgaes
21:12<etanoox>witte my problem is that i don't have now empty cdrom in my home...
21:12[~]antinull takes a drink
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21:12<antinull>he wants to install without a burnable i think witte
21:12<witte>etanoox: usb of 250 MB?
21:13<etanoox>the machine doesn't support usb boot
21:13<CryptoMole>is there a kernel patch for emu10k1 alsa
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21:13<antinull>i think you need a cd-r etanoox
21:13<antinull>or a boot floppy to make the usb boot
21:13<bighornram>how do I tell what modules are loaded by kernel?
21:14<antinull>lol "floppy"
21:14<witte>bighornram: lsmod
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21:15<etanoox>u don't remember the name of project that install directly from web?
21:16<witte>:-) just found it
21:16<antinull>oh wow
21:16<antinull>thats awesome
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21:17<witte>etanoox: I knew the project, it was somewhere in the back of my head :-)
21:17<antinull>debain eats windows in one simple .exe file ^_^ that makes me really happy
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21:19<witte>etanoox: I never tried it, nor did i ever hear any comments on how good that system works, but i also did not hear anything bad, so good luck
21:19<antinull>what port is ssh witte?
21:19[~]witte goes to bed, it is 3:20
21:19<CryptoMole>antinull, you miss spelled Debian.
21:19<witte>antinull: 22
21:19<etanoox>witte, ok
21:19<etanoox>i try it now
21:19<etanoox>this is my way
21:19<antinull>yeah i do that
21:20<etanoox>this is my fortune
21:20<etanoox>i love linux
21:20<CryptoMole>me too
21:20<CryptoMole>except for my kernel fault
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21:20<etanoox>computer without open source is the Earth without Selene
21:20<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
21:21<etanoox>Selene == Moon
21:21<dpkg>debian is probably See
21:21<etanoox>witte, do u know apt-get moo ???
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21:21<etanoox>exec -o apt-get moo
21:21<nullboy>so want to try the site?
21:21<etanoox> (__)
21:21<etanoox> (oo)
21:21<etanoox> /------\/
21:21<etanoox>/ ||
21:21<etanoox> * /\---/\
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21:22<nullboy> (old crap site)
21:22<etanoox>please sorry
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21:22<witte>etanoox: cool, i did a apt-cache show moo first, but it did not find anything
21:22<CryptoMole>ive never been on this network before usually on freenode.
21:22<witte>but the command works :-)
21:23<antinul>now to learn mysql
21:24<antinul>i pmed u witte
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21:24<witte>CryptoMole: i do not know what your real problem is, (would need those dmesg output in a pastebin) but to be honnest, I will not be able to answer today, as i am to tired...
21:25<CryptoMole>mabe someone else can i'll post it.
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21:26<antinul>so now to install debian on my laptop w/ only a wireless card lol
21:27<CryptoMole>that should be fun.
21:28<CryptoMole>better find yourself some cat5
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21:28<antinul>i dont have a cat5 card for this pos
21:28<antinul>its a panasonic toughbook p2
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21:34<CryptoMole>hey all check out this:
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21:39<amphi>antinul: you can get 8139 cardbus cards very cheaply, FWIW
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21:40<CryptoMole>my card bus is built-in
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21:43<k-man__>i have set up postfix with TLS and smtpauth
21:43<k-man__>i want to make it available to myself on the internet
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21:43<k-man__>but i want to double check it is secure before doing so...
21:43<k-man__>how can i test it?
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21:44<CryptoMole>later people
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21:46<Xenguy>k-man__: port scan? (I don't know the details)
21:47<k-man__>well, that's the thing, the port will be open
21:47<k-man__>the question is how to i ensure only authenticated users can send email via that port
21:47<Xenguy>k-man__: yeah, right
21:48<k-man__>i tried by telneting to the port
21:48<Xenguy>k-man__: I think you know a lot more about this than me :-)
21:48<k-man__>and manualy writing an email
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21:48<k-man__>and it refused because i was not authenticated
21:49<k-man__>so i guess thats it.. but I'm not sure
21:49<Xenguy>k-man__: that seems like a pretty good test
21:49<k-man__>they are a bit snobby on #postfix
21:49<Xenguy>k-man__: there's always mailing lists
21:49<k-man__>a bit of "if you don't know then you shouldn't be doing it" attitude
21:49<k-man__>yeah, thats a good idea
21:49<Xenguy>k-man__: (or is everyone doing forums nowadays? :-)
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21:50<k-man__>Xenguy, actually, i find mailing lists better than forums
21:50<Xenguy>k-man__: no comparison
21:50<Xenguy>k-man__: I mean, we agree :-)
21:50<Xenguy>more efficient I think
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21:53<DanDare>i cant find the file /etc/locale.gen in etch
21:54<DanDare>actually the file doesnt exist in any place
21:54<DanDare>i want to change locale for some variables, where i must start in etch?
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21:57<jagerman>dpkg-reconfigure locales
21:57<DanDare>ok jagerman, thanks
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21:58<DanDare>i want just LC_TIME seted in a different locale
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21:59<DanDare>anyway dpkg-reconfigure locales will create locale.gen, this is good :)
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22:02<DanDare>Troyan0, nice quit message
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22:03<Troyan0>DanDare, thx
22:03<Troyan0>a veces estoy creativo
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22:05<mmavipc>I just installed debian on the lastest version of vmware server with graphical desktop enviorment selected when gdm tryd to run it waits fail to detect screens please help me
22:07<mmavipc>!reconfigure x
22:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>".. From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:07<mmavipc>it's amd64 processor
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22:08<mmavipc>I just installed debian on the lastest version of vmware server with graphical desktop enviorment selected when gdm tried to run it waits fail to detect screens please help me
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22:56<Cookie-Master>help, how to build local repository? so i can save bandwidth for my local Network
22:56<josefina>somebody speak spanish?
22:56<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:57<josefina>thanks dpkg
22:57<dpkg>josefina: de rien
22:58<josefina>dpkg what?
22:58<gravity>josefina: dpkg is a bot
22:58<josefina>thanks gravity
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23:11<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
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23:19<mosty>Cookie-Master, look at the approx package
23:21<mosty>apt-cache show approx
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23:29<Cookie-Master>think im gonna need to mount my new HDD for this mirroring
23:29<Cookie-Master>thanks mosty
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23:30<DanDare>hello. i did 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and seted pt_BR as default value for the environment, after finished with the reconfigure doing command "locale" all values still seted to C (Like LC_ALL="C") and i cant find a locales.def. Im missing something?
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23:34<DanDare>i intalled two versions of same locale but with different charset. How to specify wich one to use when doing command 'export' (like 'expor LC_ALL= ?)
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23:50<computer12345>hi, can i use ndiswrapper and ndisgtk to make my printer work?
23:50<UnKnowN>hey guys i know this question is out of line, but its needed
23:50<UnKnowN>how do you dpkg --purge
23:50<UnKnowN>bash and passwd
23:50<mosty>UnKnowN, why do you need to do that?
23:50<UnKnowN>well im trying to do dist-upgrade
23:50<UnKnowN>and it seems there a conflict with passwd
23:51<UnKnowN>oh thanks
23:51<UnKnowN>and im just gonna replace it with the latest version after so
23:51<UnKnowN>so its risky but planned :D
23:51<mosty>which release are you upgrading to/from?
23:51<UnKnowN>thank klys
23:51<UnKnowN>lets see here
23:51<UnKnowN>i was thinkin of compiling my own, its not my server, but im gonna optimzie it
23:52<mosty>i meant which debian release, not the kernel
23:52<UnKnowN>Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l
23:52<UnKnowN>i've already deleted a great deal of essentials so im proceeding, so is that safe?
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23:53<mosty>not reaaly, no heh
23:53<UnKnowN>Well wish me luck than :D
23:53<ameyer>computer12345: I don't think so... ndiswrapper only implements the ndis interface (only would be useful for network drivers)
23:53<ameyer>someeone correct me if I'm wrong
23:53<klys>as long as bash is still running and dpkg has the required libraries, you can proceed
23:53<mosty>unknown: something is wrong if you need to do stuff like that
23:53<UnKnowN>i know
23:54<UnKnowN>but its in the image that goes on the server and its a vds
23:54<UnKnowN>ok klys
23:54<UnKnowN>well that option you said
23:54<UnKnowN>-[dpkg]- unknown force/refuse option `essential'
23:54<UnKnowN>does that go before purge ?
23:54<klys>my bad, --force-remove-essential
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23:54<UnKnowN>ok thanks
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23:55<UnKnowN>oo shit
23:55<UnKnowN>no such directoy
23:55<UnKnowN>somethins up :/
23:56<UnKnowN>ill put it on paste site
23:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
23:57<UnKnowN>well i still have base utilities and im at root level
23:57<klys>ls /var/lib/dpkg/info
23:57<UnKnowN>ah solution
23:57<UnKnowN>i got it
23:58<klys>it should spit out a huge list of files
23:58<UnKnowN>dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/*
23:58<UnKnowN>that worked wonders :p
23:58[~]UnKnowN hugs debian
23:59<UnKnowN>thnx again klys for the force essential
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23:59<UnKnowN>from the worst of situatiosn to the best of actions
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