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---Logopened Fri Nov 09 00:00:06 2007
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00:01<UnKnowN>do you think that could be a bug i could submit klys
00:01<klys>probably not
00:01<UnKnowN>the failure of dist-upgrade? Or is it just unsupported?
00:02<UnKnowN>This is kind of more of a forum question, but is it possible to change kernels under a xen hypervisor?
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00:05<UnKnowN>i haven't ever used xen in my life so im unfamilar my apolgies
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00:44<ALightstar>Hello all I just inatalled Debian but I'm having a little trouble, when I try to connect to the internet I can connect but the system seems to be 15 to 20 seconds before it finds a hostname that I'm connetcing to. Is there anything I can do?
00:45<mosty>check that /etc/resolv.conf has the correct dns server
00:45<UnKnowN>was gonna say, make sure those either have your isp's name server or use
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00:45<UnKnowN>There are also some issues with routing, and it can take that long the first time around
00:46<ALightstar>Well I am on a router
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00:46<UnKnowN>ah i see.
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00:47<UnKnowN>I used to have your issue, I just use DMZ hosting, and it takes care of my needs
00:47<ALightstar>but I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop next to me and it finds sites fine and quickly
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00:47<UnKnowN>try looking to see if there are configuration differences
00:47<UnKnowN>And also is your laptop using a wireless connection?
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00:48<ALightstar>no it's wired right now... and nothign that I can see different.... and my router is in my resolv.conf file on both systems
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00:48<UnKnowN>are the identical?
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00:50<UnKnowN>about time they came back
00:50<ALightstar>way to long sence I've been on IRC
00:51<ALightstar>whats strange... this IRC channel seems to be updating with out any latency
00:51<UnKnowN>Hold on a second.
00:51<UnKnowN>Do you use ubuntu on both machines?
00:51<ALightstar>yet web pages and anythign else dealing with http or ftp taks 15 to 20 seconds
00:52<dondelelcaro>ALightstar: that's most likely because you've got different DNS servers specified on both machines
00:52<ALightstar>Debian is on this computer
00:52<dondelelcaro>ALightstar: compare /etc/resolv.conf
00:52<UnKnowN>I asked him that dondelelcaro
00:52<UnKnowN>[9:48 pm] <UnKnowN> are the identical?
00:52<UnKnowN>[9:49 pm] <ALightstar> yesw
00:52<UnKnowN>There could be a number of things
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00:53<ALightstar>I'm using debian system to talk to you right now
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00:53<UnKnowN>Okay good, cause if you were using ubuntu, you goto #ubuntu ;p
00:53<dondelelcaro>ALightstar: what happens when you reload the same page?
00:53<ALightstar>takes the same slug time
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00:53<UnKnowN>Now thats a netsplit
00:53<ALightstar>another net
00:53<ALightstar>another netsplit
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00:54<UnKnowN>thats weak, i hold this network to be usually stable
00:54<torrr>I don't have adm group
00:54<torrr>should I add it?
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00:54<UnKnowN>Thats up to you torrr
00:54<torrr>I get tons of mail from rooot about logrotate trying to change to adm
00:55<ALightstar>ok... so where were we
00:55<UnKnowN>Personally I dont have any adm group
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00:55<ALightstar>Laptop Ubunto 7.10, Desktop Debian 4.01 fresh install
00:55<torrr>and failing
00:56<ALightstar>and Debian is the one with the slush problem
00:56<UnKnowN>There is a second issue that I used to have on servers
00:56<UnKnowN>I had a bad kernel module
00:56<UnKnowN>type lsmod and compare that with the one on ubuntu
00:57<UnKnowN>Also if your eth0 negotiates or takes a guess what kind of duplex it is, or the speed
00:57<UnKnowN>it'll also act sluggish
00:58<ALightstar>is there a way to set search time on hosts?
00:58[~]UnKnowN face palms himself
00:58<UnKnowN>What do you mean
00:59<ALightstar>I have five computers on the network... I'm wondering is it's searching all of them before it desids to look at the router?
00:59<UnKnowN>it really shouldn't
00:59<UnKnowN>Since DHCP assigns it the dns servers
00:59<UnKnowN>You could manually bind some dns servers and see if that works
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01:00<UnKnowN>i personally use a large cache from our university
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01:00<ALightstar>I am using DHCP... mainly because I'm kind of lazy and don't want to give everythign it's own IP
01:00<UnKnowN>DHCP does that for you, and it does the dns
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01:02<ALightstar>Hmmmm... I have to figure otu what is different between the desktop and the laptop besides hardware
01:06<ALightstar>for some reasion I feel like it has something to do with the tcpip stack.... or related softw
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01:08<ALightstar>Well thanks... I'll figure it out somehow....
01:08<ALightstar>have fun guys....
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01:16<wdl>Hi! 8-)
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01:16<torrr>I tried to add a adm group and was answered that I already have an adm group!
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01:16<torrr>why do I get all these error report from logrotate?
01:18<torrr>error: clamav-daemon:6 unknown group 'adm'
01:18<torrr>chgrp: invalid group `adm'
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01:31<torrr>I get errors about logrotate that don't have adm group, but I do have an adm group. ???
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01:38<haoole>hi all, im creating a debian cdd with simple-cdd to add a few packages i need from non-free
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01:39<haoole>the problem is that the pc im installing it has 2 eths and i would like the installer ask which one is the default
01:40<haoole>when i use the netinst install cd it asks me, but when i use the cd created by simple-cdd it doesnt
01:40<haoole>please, any ideas where should i look for?
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01:45<gsimmons_>haoole: Try asking in #debian-custom or search the debian-custom mailing list archives <>.
01:46<haoole>thanks gsimmons
01:46<haoole>i will
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01:48<kecoa>hello gents, is there any easy way to download a specific package together with its dependencies using a download manager or sth, so i could install those packages manually using dpkg -i in offline computers? i have ten old PCs, all have no ethernet
01:52<mosty>kecoa: apt-get install -d pkg
01:55<kecoa>thanks, -d works with aptitude too
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01:57<kmap>Debianers, one of my friends complains that after some hardware change, his /dev/cdrom points to the wrong symlink
01:57<kmap>If he makes a change, it disappears on the next reboot
01:57<kmap>How do we make the change permanent?
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01:58<computer12345>ashu, u still here?
01:58<kmap>jm_: Could you just tell me in detail?
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01:58<computer12345>i found something :)
01:59<jm_>kmap: sure, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
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02:00<kmap>jm_: Ah, so I set whatver my sriveis to SYMLINK+="cdrom"?
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02:00<kmap>jm_: Ah, so I set whatver my *drive is* to SYMLINK+="cdrom"?
02:00<computer12345>musik, rosegarden works great and its gui
02:00<computer12345>for midi files
02:00<jm_>kmap: yeah but what has changed is its identified, so just commenting out first cdrom entry and changing the last one to cdrom shall do or so
02:01[~]kmap thanks jm_ for the advice.
02:03<computer12345>musik u still here?
02:03<computer12345>crap wrong channel!
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02:29<UnKnowN>whats the replacement for rc.conf in debian
02:30<UnKnowN>or do i simply just place it in the according level folder?
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02:31<nowhere_man>UnKnowN: see update-rc.d
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02:41<Samba>good morning
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02:51<Deltantor>Hmm, upgrading from stable to testing wont touch the kernel, right?
02:52<jm_>it should install 2.6.22 for you
02:52<jm_>but remaining kernel shall stay
02:54<Deltantor>I havnt used debian in forever, if i remember right there will be an option in GRUB for either kernel, right?
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03:17<kzar>quick question: What are the names for stable and unstable / testing at the moment?
03:19<jm_>Etch is stable, testing is Lenny
03:23<kzar>jm_: thanks
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04:54<padski>and behold
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05:05<pleb2>I have a problem with kino, when i try to capture it says:
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05:05<pleb2>WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded of rfailure to read/write /dev/raw1394!
05:06<pleb2>aha, but ive just found it works as root, any ideas what permissions id need to change to get it to work as my pleb user?
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05:07<padski>pleb2: what permissions does /dev/raw1394 have on it ?
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05:07<XTF>Hi. How do I set the language for an shell account/user?
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05:10<pleb2>how do i get java to work in iceweasle??
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05:16<jm_>pleb2: install jre plugin package
05:16<jm_>XTF: set locale
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05:19<padski>XTF: I don't know. a bit old maybe, but here is an interesting link:
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05:27<XTF>jm_: Doesn't that get forgotten after reboot?
05:29<jm_>XTF: do you know how to set it?
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05:31<padski>XTF: I think you would export the various enviroment vars from somewhere like your .profile
05:32<XTF>padski: Yes, and I'm wondering where there's set by default.
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05:32<XTF>Ah, thanks.
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05:32<XTF>Somehow I got both a LANG= and a LANGUAGE= there
05:33<padski>XTF: they are different. I don't know how. look it up :-)
05:33<padski>man 5 locale, perhaps
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05:40<padski>XTF: dpkg suggests a different file to /etc/enviroment ...
05:40<padski>!tell XTF locale
05:40<padski>!tell XTF about locale
05:41<pleb2>how do i get java to work in iceweasle??
05:43<noflash>pleb2, 05:18 < jm_> pleb2: install jre plugin package
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06:21<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
06:23<anirban>I tried to use the fish protocol from KDE for long time under debain lenny
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06:24<anirban>But when ever I try to connect to another machine I get An error occurred while loading fish://anirban@, The process for the fish:// protocol died unexpectedly.
06:24<anirban>though I can ssh the ip with out any problem
06:25<jm_>fish has got nothing to do with KDE
06:25<[machine]>anirban: the fish io slave creates a perl script on the remote system
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06:28<anirban>thanks a lot
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06:28<anirban>my both system are on debian Lenny
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06:30<rkos> <- what should i type in the install one as im using lenny and have geforce8600gt?
06:31<jm_>you will need nvidia driver from unstable
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06:33<tex>ciao a tutti
06:34<tex>chi sarebbe così gentille da aiutarmi con la configurazione audio?
06:34<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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06:35<chealer>rkos: which card do you use?
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06:35<rkos>nvidia geforce8600gt 512mb
06:36<chealer>rkos: is that supported by 1.0-8776?
06:36<tex>per problemi di configurazione?
06:37<chealer>tex: no italian here, #debian-it
06:37<rkos>i dont know, where can i find that out
06:37<tex>the problem is only the language?
06:37<chealer>rkos: you could check the README of that version
06:37<rkos>its a problem when other people dont understand you tex
06:37<chealer>tex: yes, #debian is for English only
06:38<tex>so can I obtain some helps here?
06:38<tex>some suggestions
06:38<chealer>tex: if you ask in English, yes.
06:38<tex>thanks a lot
06:38<tex>so before start I'm a new linux user
06:38<rkos>and where is the readme?
06:38<tex>I know some basical commands
06:39<tex>now my big problem is the audio!
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06:39<tex>the audio doesn't work! I can't hear nothing
06:39<chealer>rkos: did you check ?
06:40<rkos>according to google this is the onlyone that works with this card:
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06:42<rkos> <- 8600 not supported by that
06:42<jm_>yeah don't listen ...
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06:42<chealer>tex: sorry, I find sound hard myself. someone else may try helpgin.
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06:43<jm_>tex: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
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06:44<tex>now I have 3 rows
06:44<tex>which one?
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06:46<chealer>rkos: OK. you could either backport unstable's nvidia-graphics-drivers for testing or use unstable's binary packages and upgrade X11 to unstable.
06:46<jm_>tex: alsa
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06:47<rkos>unstable=lenny? because im using it already since etch would not recognize my card
06:47<tex>jm and now?
06:47<chealer>rkos: no, unstable is sid.
06:47<tex>after the choice the system automatically left to shell
06:47<rkos>so what should i exactly do
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06:48<chealer>rkos: first choose what you want to do.
06:49<rkos>well i want to get the newest drivers? backporting and x11 doesn't really say anything to me
06:49<rkos>installed debian this week and its the first linux i've used
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06:49<chealer>rkos: I'd use the newest drivers, yes.
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06:50<jm_>tex: verify if modules are loaded
06:50<tex>how can I verify?
06:52<jm_>cat /proc/asound/cards
06:52<rkos>so im back at the beginning, how do i get the newest drivers?
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06:53<chealer>rkos: either backport unstable's nvidia-graphics-drivers for testing or use unstable's binary packages and upgrade X11 to unstable.
06:54<tex>jm : MPU-401 UART
06:54<rkos>well how do i do that
06:54<chealer>rkos: first choose what you want to do.
06:54<rkos>neither of them really say anything to me
06:54<tex>and MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10
06:54<jm_>tex: can you please write jm_? and nothing else?
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06:55<jm_>what kind of card is it?
06:55<rkos>which do you suppose id better? backporting or upgrading?
06:55<jm_>tex: go to and follow instructions
06:56<chealer>rkos: did you already install a package from unstable? did you already build a Debian package?
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06:56<rkos>i dont think i have done anything like that
06:57<chealer>rkos: I suggest upgrading X11 to unstable and using unstable's binary packages.
06:57<rkos>ok, so how do i do that
06:57<chealer>rkos: first, set up a testing/unstable mix
06:58<rkos>meaning that...?
06:58<chealer>!tell rkos about tsm
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07:00<rkos>ok, but what does this mean "duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. "
07:02<chealer>rkos: please publish your sources.list
07:03<chealer>rkos: are you able to identify your non-security testing lines?
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07:03<chealer>rkos: are you able to identify your testing lines?
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07:05<chealer>rkos: all lines which contain "testing" or "lenny" are testing lines.
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07:08<chealer>rkos: are you able to identify your non-security testing lines now?
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07:09<tex>jm 10de0059 Yes nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller snd-intel8x0,i810_audio v2.6.21
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07:10<ServerSide>hi :)
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07:10<rkos>chealer, not really
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07:11<chealer>rkos: are you able to identify your security lines?
07:12<rkos>well no
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07:13<chealer>rkos: all lines which contain "security" are security lines, and the others aren't.
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07:15<rkos>so i duplicate all the ones with lenny/testing on them, noone of these contain security?
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07:16<tex>jm are you still on the line?
07:16<kurumin>Tem alguem aii??
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07:16<rkos>and how do i change them to sid?
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07:16<kurumin>eu naum falo ingles
07:16<kurumin>tudo boum??
07:16<chealer>rkos: no, you have testing security lines, such as "deb lenny/updates main non-free contrib". you don't duplicate these.
07:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:16<chealer>!tell kurumin about br
07:16<somogyi1>kik vagytok?
07:17<rkos>oh yeah
07:17<travis>Package gnu-smalltalk is not available, but is referred to by another package. does anybody know a quick command to grab a smalltalk environment from apt?
07:17<chealer>rkos: you replace "lenny" by "sid".
07:17<rkos>but how do i change the ones i duplicate to sid?
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07:17<kurumin>I don't see inglish
07:17<kurumin>nobody speak portuguese????
07:18<chealer>kurumin: #debian-br
07:18<rkos>so just these two?
07:18<szabo72>és hungarian?
07:18<rkos>deb lenny main non-free contrib
07:18<rkos>deb-src lenny main non-free contrib
07:18<rkos>or also the cdrom ones?
07:18<kurumin>I'm Portuguese
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07:18<chealer>rkos: yes (not cdrom)
07:19<chealer>travis: which Debian suite do you use?
07:19<kurumin>alguem fala portugues aii??
07:19<rkos>ok thanks
07:19<kurumin>você fala??
07:19<travis>etch, i did a google on smalltalk for etch and there's a src package, but i usually just use binaries for it
07:19<kurumin>Alguém pode me responder???
07:19<somogyi1>beszéljetek már angolul azt legalább nagyábol értem
07:19<dpkg>bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent
07:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:20<dpkg>from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
07:20<chealer>travis: etch has binary gnu-smalltalk. which architecture do you use?
07:20<azeem>kurumin, somogyi1: please write in english
07:20<kurumin>o disgraça ninguém vai fala comiigo???
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07:20<azeem>kurumin: #kurumin
07:20<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
07:20<kurumin>i'm no sei write in inglish
07:20<travis>ruby got me right stumped on a smalltalk exampled of the inject function.. so i have to sidetrack :p
07:20<kurumin>i'm portuguese
07:20<rkos>now i got this: E: Couldn't find package foo
07:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:21<azeem>kurumin: #debian-br
07:21<chealer>rkos: you must replace "foo" by the name package you want to install from unstable
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07:22<chealer>travis: there's no "quick command" to do that on etch amd64.
07:22<rkos>ok so what package do i want to install?
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07:22<chealer>rkos: start by nvidia-kernel-source
07:22<travis>ok, do you have instructions to grab source, build it along with dependencies? if that's asking too much i'll just do some trial/error
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07:23<rkos>chealer, ok, done
07:23<kurumin>Oi somebody can talk with me?
07:24<chealer>kurumin: yes, but only in English here. for portuguese, ask #debian-br
07:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:25<skyegg>kurumin, ask in portuguese /j #debian-br
07:25<kurumin>it speaks with me and it translates pra Portuguese?
07:25<azeem>it's a channel
07:25<travis>meh, tried apt-get install source gnu-smalltalk but it couldn't find
07:25<azeem>kurumin: type "/join #debian-br"
07:25<chealer>kurumin: no, it's a channel with people who write in portuguese.
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07:26<chealer>travis: just grabbing the source probably won't work, but I'd try backporting sid's packages.
07:26<kurumin>then I do not go to obtain to talk with vocês
07:26<chealer>!tell travis about simple sid backport
07:27<chealer>rkos: now you can try continuing to follow the guide.
07:28<rkos>chealer, i tried to install nvidia-glx but i get this error
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07:28<kurumin>I go to go even so
07:28<kurumin>because i don't ask inglish
07:28<rkos>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
07:28<rkos> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable
07:28<rkos> Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2: is to be installed
07:28<rkos>E: Broken packages
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07:28<azeem>kurumin: either go to #debian-br, or ask questions in english here; or leave
07:29<rkos>oh 1 line too many
07:29<kurumin>more I do not know I eat that he writes in the navigator
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07:30<chealer>rkos: installing nvidia-glx is in step 2. did you finish step 1?
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07:31<kurumin>I know to say in Spaniard somebody I know?
07:31<rkos>i thought what you helped me do was step1?
07:31<azeem>kurumin: do you have a Debian question?
07:31<kurumin>I do not have this business of Debian
07:31<chealer>rkos: no, that was a workaround to be able to follow the guide because of the current issues with nvidia drivers for testing.
07:32<kurumin>rkos: it writes pra please me in Spaniard?
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07:34<kurumin>write in spanisH??
07:34|-|mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
07:34|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by azeem
07:34|-|mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
07:34<azeem>kurumin: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
07:35<azeem>kurumin: either ask Debian questions in english in here, or ask Debian questions in portuguese in #debian-br (/join #debian-br). Otherwise, either be quiet or leave
07:35<rkos>chealer, ok m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source went well but i still get the same error on step2 except it doesn't complain about the nvidia-kernel-100... anymore just the xserver-xorg-core
07:36<chealer>rkos: upgrade xserver-xorg-core to unstable using the command in the mix factoid.
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07:38<rkos>ok great, works now, thanks
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07:41<travis>excellent it worked.. i'll have to remember to make a directory for building next time
07:42<rkos>chealer, now im on step3 and it doesn't seem to work
07:42<rkos>Files /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum and - are identical
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07:42<rkos>i get that when trying to do the command it tells me to do
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07:44<chealer>rkos: what's the problem?
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07:45<rkos>Files /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum and - are identical
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07:46<rkos>it tells me that when i enter the command that the guide tells me to enter
07:46<chealer>rkos: that's not a problem, it just tells you that the files are identical.
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07:46<rkos>and thats what im after?
07:48<chealer>rkos: they can be either identical or different, it's just that you shouldn't use the debconf way if they're different.
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07:52<rkos>theres no module selection tho
07:52<rkos>cant select glx at any point
07:53<chealer>rkos: yeah, that's one of the things that needs to be updated. ignore it.
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07:56<andrej>i have a problem mplayer does not expand movie over all screen if want to watch full screen it stays the same size ...
07:56<andrej>what can i do ?
07:56<tex>someone can help me?
07:56<petemc>andrej: mplayer -fs -zoom
07:56<tex>I have sound problem
07:56<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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07:59<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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08:00<rkos>chealer, im trying to do the test part but it says "glxinfo command not found"
08:00<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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08:07<cico>what is the meaning of the following in "aptitude upgrade" : The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486. There are so many packages which are not going to be upgraded, so all those packages are also going to remain. then why has it pointed out only linux-image as kept back?
08:07<jm_>!kept back
08:07<dpkg>methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see
08:08<cico>if I remove, gnome-desktop-environment, will anything bad happen? will I not be able to use my GUI desktop?
08:09<GhostlyDeath>cico: Not unless you switch to The evil KDE
08:10<GhostlyDeath>tex: What is "THE AUDIO"?
08:10<azeem>tex: please do not write in all caps
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08:11<tex>thanks for relpy
08:11<cico>GhostlyDeath: if I remove gnome-desktop-environment, why will I have a problem, when I later switch to KDE?
08:11<motio>hi i install mail server ubuntu 7.10 and i try to connect whit webmin http:/server:10000/ and i can get there any help
08:11<tex>audio I mean that my system can't play
08:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
08:11<azeem>motio: please ask #ubuntu on freenode
08:11<tex>so I don't hear nothing
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08:12<GhostlyDeath>cico: KDE is evil
08:12<jm_>tex: load snd-hda-intel or snd-intel8x0 module
08:12<jm_>tex: did you go to the driver page to find out which module to use?
08:13<chealer>cico: not if only that package is removed.
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08:14<tex>10de0059 Yes nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller snd-intel8x0,i810_audio v2.6.21
08:15<tex>sorry guys but I'm getting crazy!
08:15<jm_>see above, load the module
08:15<tex>how can I load the module?
08:16<tex>so modprobe plus what?
08:16<ifvoid>the name of the module
08:16<jm_>if that works add it to /etc/modules
08:16<tex>which module sorry? you mean intel
08:17<azeem>14:09 < jm_> tex: load snd-hda-intel or snd-intel8x0 module
08:17<cico>when I try to do "aptitude remove evolution", it says it will remove these package also: [bug-buddy ekiga eog esound evince evolution-common fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdb gdm gedit gedit-common] and many more. But I need them. Why is it removing packages I haven't asked for. It says these are not being used but I use them. What should I do to keep them?
08:17<jm_>the page told you - snd-intel8x0
08:17<tex>modprobe -l snd-hda-intel
08:17<tex>ok done
08:17<jm_>cico: mark them as manually installed
08:18<cico>jm_: how can I do that?
08:18<jm_>cico: man aptitude, unmarkauto IIRC
08:18<tex>done ,after?
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08:18<jm_>cat /proc/asound/cards - is it listed?
08:19<tex>no soundcards
08:19<jm_>did you use modprobe -l or just modprobe? don't use -l to insert the module
08:19<tex>I used -l
08:20<jm_>we never mentioned using -l
08:20<tex>can you please write me the correct string?
08:20<jm_>"modprobe snd-intel8x0"
08:20<tex>ok so modprobe snd-intel8x0
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08:20<tex>FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found.
08:20<tex>FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0
08:20<jm_>I'll be back in 15 minutes
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08:22<cico>I added a "sub-process gzip error" to dpkg in the "dpkg" of freenode. How did this get updated here? vvvvv
08:22<cico>!sub-process gzip error
08:22<dpkg>methinks sub-process gzip error is a notorious error that occurs that when update goes mad. No matter how many times you try, you get this error: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). Remove any files you find in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and sanity should restore. You might want to go through for more details.
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08:26<gsimmons_>!tell cico -about fact sharing
08:26<rkos>how do i compile a source
08:27<cico> falls in OFTC network?
08:27<gsimmons_>cico: That's right.
08:27<chealer>rkos: depends on which one
08:27<rkos>wine source
08:28<chealer>rkos: if you don't mind, why would you compile wine?
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08:28<rkos>because when i do the apt thingy it says i have the newest version while i have 47 and the newest is 48
08:31<rkos>chealer, so how do i compile it?
08:31<chealer>rkos: see the documentation in the source.
08:32<rkos>ok what was the unpacking command again
08:33<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory"
08:33<chealer>rkos: don't you have some graphical archiving tool?
08:33<rkos>yeah i probably have
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08:35<cico>does main have the most number of updates always? I always see in an "update" operation, gets stuck at Get:6 lenny/main Packages [4796kB] for a longer time.
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08:35<jm_>tex: please start using jm_
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08:36<chealer>cico: main has more packages than other components, yes.
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08:38<tex>ok jm_
08:39<jm_>tex: did you load the module?
08:39<tex>the system give me back a fatal error
08:40<tex>tex:/home/tex# modprobe snd_intel8x0
08:40<tex>FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found.
08:40<tex>FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0
08:40<jm_>tex: are you usin Debian's kernel?
08:40<jm_>which version?
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09:02<monra>hello. I want to search many files recrusive maybe i don't know if a there exists a file called "name1" for example and have 606 permissions let's say. is that possible?
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09:03<jm_>monra: yes
09:03<monra>jm_, and how is it done?
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09:04<monra>jm_, i mean is it a set of commands connected with | pipelines and so?
09:04<jm_>monra: find is very flexbile - I recommend reading "info coreutils find"
09:04<jm_>monra: naah
09:05<jm_>ahh no it's "info find"
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09:08<monra>jm_, i'm trying find -type d so* for example but i got error
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09:09<jm_>monra: "so*"
09:09<monra>everything starting from so
09:09<cristian>someone with a campaq presario laptop? and wireless and sound problem?
09:09<jm_>monra: ahh yes that's an error: -type d -name "so*"
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09:12<monra>jm_, look thois for example: find -type d -perm 777 -name "file1", but i get some strange results wiht permission denied. although i know a file1 with 777 perm. exists
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09:12<jm_>monra: permission denied is a result of you not having access to some dir that find wants to scan
09:13<monra>hm? if i type this command in the root directory will it search all the directories?
09:13<monra>or just root?
09:13<jm_>you can specify starting point, i.e. find / ... or find . ...
09:13<jm_>by default it starts in current dir
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09:15<monra>nice! thanks. another question. how do i stop printing the permission denied. there is no point in priting them
09:15<rkos>with what can i view .txt files?
09:16<jm_>rkos: editor, pager, ...
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09:17<monra>jm_, i know what dev_null is so but why 2?
09:17<azeem>2 is stderr
09:18<monra>so if 2 it goes to dev null
09:18<jm_>everything written to stderr goes to null yeah
09:19<monra>so the permissions denied are std errors
09:20<jm_>no, the idea is that all tools write errors to stderr and other output to stdout
09:21<jm_>?? grounding
09:21<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
09:21<jm_>monra: read some of the above
09:23<monra>jm_, really appreciate... i was trying doing this with C and was too hard
09:24<jm_>monra: writing your own find? well it's not that hard
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09:32<zysoft>Hi all
09:33<zysoft>I'm using Debian Etch and I need to use Skype. I was able to run the skype application using linux32, but there is no sound
09:33<zysoft>It says:
09:33<zysoft>ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
09:34<zysoft>Anyone knowh how to make it working?
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09:34<zysoft>I have nVidia HDA audio chipset.
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09:40<zysoft>anyone hear me?
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09:46<ZYsoft>Hi all!
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09:47<ZYsoft>I have a problem with running skype on amd64 architecture.
09:47<ZYsoft>I have make it working, but there is no sound available
09:47<ZYsoft>ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
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09:48<ZYsoft>I have nVidia HD audio card. It works fine in KDE
09:48<ZYsoft>Can someone help me? please
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09:55<bighornram>is debian.multimedia down?
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09:57<chealer>bighornram: no
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09:58<bighornram>I can't seem to connect to it this morning. debian.multimedia.ort?
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10:08<tex>il canale italiano?
10:08<dpkg>well, il is Israel, home of some truly great people
10:08<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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10:17<sdi>guten tag alle
10:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:36<helge>hmm, have some issues on a debian box in vmware, with stock 2.6.18 kernel it all works ok, but I wanted to run "lenny" on this vmware instance, upgraded rebooted in hope of getting in to a 2.6.22 kernel, but no go, says /dev/sda1 doesnt exist..
10:36<helge>00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01)
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10:37<helge>anything special I need to do, to make this controller work in 2.6.22 / lenny ?
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10:46<rkos>Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
10:46<rkos>The X11 driver is missing. Check your build!
10:46<rkos>how to fix?
10:46<Eulex>what program?
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10:47<Eulex>that's not in debian
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10:47<rkos>yeah i know
10:48<rkos>i downloaded the source and compiled it
10:48<Eulex>then compile it again, and do it correctly. make sure the ./configure step detects everything you need/want.
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10:52<rkos>what was the command to uninstall wine again?
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10:52<Eulex>if you installed it from source, I guess you'd make uninstall it. but it depends on what build system they use.
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10:53<Eulex>rkos, did you really need the latest version?
10:53<rkos>well how do i uninstall the one i didnt install from source?
10:53<Eulex>you didn't uninstall the debian one before installing the one from source?
10:53<rkos>well im pretty sure i need
10:54<Eulex>in any case, you'd do like you do with any debian stuff. apt-get remove it.
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10:56<rkos>ok im missing x development files, how do i get them? didnt find with apt-cache search
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11:21<m_g>hey people, will aptitude/dpkg automatically create a grub menu.lst from my lilo.conf when i install it?
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11:24<rkos>where do i get x development files?
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11:26<wo0f_>im setting up a cmd
11:26<wo0f_>cms* on debian lamp
11:26<wo0f_>and certain files need to be writeable
11:27<Eulex>rkos, you apt-get them.
11:27<wo0f_>will i have to create an account for that website to use with the apropreate privs?
11:27<wo0f_>like an account for each site? wouldnt this improve security?
11:28<rkos>but whats the command, didnt find anything that looked like it with apt-cache search
11:28<Eulex>then you didn't look too well.
11:29<Eulex>try searching for x11 development
11:29<rkos>i find loads then, do i dl them all?
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11:30<Eulex>it depends on which of them wine actually needs.
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11:30<nexx__>hey guys, im currently using Azureus as a torrent client but i seem to be having huge bandwidth problems when i use it, im not sure if its a java setup problem or what, but the guys in AZ-support dont seem to be very usefull, i was wondering if someone here knew of a gui BT app writin in C++
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11:31<Eulex>rkos, but the 'main' ones are libx11-dev
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11:32<m_g>is dmraid only used for software raid or also hardware?
11:32<kokoko1>any idea why remote ssh from etch is too slow?
11:33<kokoko1>its takign too much time when i ssh some remote box from my debian etch desktop
11:33<padski>kokoko1: slow compared to what ?
11:33<kokoko1>padski, slow in term of giving me remote ssh (i use ssh keys for authentication)
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11:34<kokoko1>one thing ssh is normal when doing to host have to PTR those host without PTR taking too much tim.
11:34<padski>kokoko1: that does add detail to your original enquiry, but it doesn't answer the question: compared to what ? how long is it taking yuo to connect ?
11:35<kokoko1>ssh in fedora/slack is 10times faster then debian etch.
11:35<padski>kokoko1: tes, PTR lookup might be an explanation
11:35<padski>kokoko1: at the server or client end ?
11:36<kokoko1>padski, but i tried by adding UseDNS no to sshd_config but no luck
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11:36<kokoko1>debian ----> any host on the internet or local network
11:36<kokoko1>debian is my desktop
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11:37<schlurchz>Hi, can someone tell if the debian buildd build packages as root?
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11:37<padski>kokoko1: so you think it is something at the client end ?
11:37<kokoko1>padski, we can't setup PTR for all hosts to make this ssh thingy fast, and the when i access the same hosts from some other distro is fine but slow from etch.
11:38<padski>kokoko1: so you think it is a PTR thing then ?
11:38<kokoko1>padski, not problem at client end problem at my desktop (etch)
11:38<kokoko1>padski, yes
11:38<wo0f_>anyone here good with debian/lamp ?
11:38<padski>kokoko1: you are ssh'in into your desktop ? your desktop is the ssh server ?
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11:39<Eulex>apparently here is people who are good at metaquestions
11:39<kokoko1>padski, i ssh from my desktop(etch) to our remote/lost hosts
11:39<padski>kokoko1: and you want it not to check the PTR of connecting clients ?
11:39<kokoko1>padski, i want ssh to remote/local host fast from my desktop.
11:39<kokoko1>atm its damn slow
11:39<padski>kokoko1: and you don't have a PTR on the IP at the client end ?
11:40<kokoko1>padski, not for all yes
11:40<kokoko1>some have PTR set but not all.
11:41<padski>kokoko1: but you have tried something to diable the PTR check at the server end, and it is the client that makes the difference, not the server.
11:41<kokoko1>okay wait let me check this by disabling PTR check on client side (which i am sshing from my desktop)
11:42<schlurchz>Hm, no one... I guess they use fakeroot. :-)
11:43<m_g>does anybody here know grub well? got a config i would like to have double-checked :)
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11:44<kokoko1>padski, no nothing change i have set 'UseDNS no' and restarted the sshd daemon but still when i ssh the host from my desktop (etch) its damn slow
11:44<padski>kokoko1: what has the sshd got to do with settings of the client ??
11:44<kokoko1>and the machine is in the same network (switch)
11:45<kokoko1>padski, what client?
11:45<kokoko1>which file to edit for client?
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11:45<padski>kokoko1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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11:46<kokoko1>padski, what to put in there?
11:47<kokoko1>or uncomment
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11:47<padski>kokoko1: man ssh_config
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11:51<nexx__>can any one give me some suggestions for a good bit torrent client for linux other than AZ?
11:51<nexx__>thank you
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11:56<sutula>Which package holds the keyboard settings? i.e. what do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to change it?
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12:00[~]sutula finds "console-data" as the answer...never mine
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12:12<jc>Anybody uses L7-filter with SMP cpu ?
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12:23<jc>Someone uses l7filter ?
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12:27<nexx__>is there some sort of global internet traffic read/write buffer?
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12:28<nexx__>it seems that when i run any torrent client my internet is shot to shit no matter what my traffic speed is in the client
12:28<marcio_minas>aqui tbm tem rede wirelles mas não funciona
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12:31<amphi>nexx__: even when you reduce the upspeed as well?
12:31<nexx__>the client isn't even using 10% of my total BW
12:32<nexx__>with or without limits
12:32<nexx__>i know for a fact that i should be able to upload at 60k/s and download at 250k/s at least
12:32<Eulex>you didn't answer his question. what about your uplink?
12:32<nexx__>with the client running full boar its at best 20k/s down and 20k/s up
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12:33<nexx__>however, to answer the question better, yes, if i reduce my download speed to 10k/s and upload to 10k/s the web is usable
12:33<nexx__>however i should be able to download at 200k/s and upload at 40k/s and still be able to use the web
12:35<nexx__>the only thing i can think of is some sort of buffer somewhere that is getting filled when i run a torrent client and thus destroying my connection
12:35<nexx__>but im not that familiar with linux
12:35<nexx__>perhaps someone can offer me a better solution
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12:39<nexx__>hmmm i wonder, could a bad ethernet driver cause this problem?
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12:56<rkos> WARNING: OpenGL development headers not found.
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12:56<Eulex>install them.
12:56<rkos>which of the many opengl related apps could those be?
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12:56<Eulex>headers, not app.
12:57<rkos>yeah but with search opengl it returns alot of results
12:57<Eulex>search for mesa development.
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13:01<g3o>hello :) i need some help out here , i had a hard drive , with debian on it, now i switched it to a new computer , with completly new hardware , but debian is kinda not startin , lots of error with X window ... it say there is no screen :s but there is a screen lol if taht's wut it means ... and i dont have a cd rom or anything on this computer , so is there anyway to fix that debian ?
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13:01<Eulex>!no screens found
13:01<dpkg>somebody said screens found was not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".
13:02<Eulex>g3o, you most likely need to reconfigure X to use the right video driver for your card, though.
13:02<g3o>yeah but how can i do that since i dotn have acces to anything , i just have a screen where it says login , i type root ,then root password , n taht's all i can do
13:03<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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13:06<g3o>Eulex tahtnks ... ma kinda in the process , n now it asks me bout using kernel framebuffer device interface , n honestly i have no idea what is that ?
13:07<Eulex>answer no
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13:07<Eulex>unless you know what you're doing
13:07<g3o>i dont :p
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13:08<g3o>Eulex , now it asks me bout Mouse port ? /dev/input/mice ? ( there are other choices but i suppose its that ? =
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13:08<Eulex>if you don't understand a question, go with the default.
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13:13<george>!info libtool
13:14<g3o>Eulex , done , ireconfiguirated everything he said it made a backup , i shall reboot now ?
13:14<george>reboot for what?
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13:15<noflash>g3o, feel free to read the installation guide on ;)
13:15<g3o>installation guide doesnt treat my problem i suppose .... if so , could u tell me wut section
13:15<Eulex>g3o, no, just start X again.
13:15<g3o>how do i start X ? :s
13:16<george>how did you start it in the first place?
13:16<Eulex>g3o, how do you usually start it?
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13:16<g3o>i usually turn on my computer till i reach the login screen :p i write in my passwords n get in :D
13:17<Eulex>then you're using a display manager like kdm, gdm or xdm. just restart it.
13:17<g3o>restart the pc as in reboot ?
13:17<Eulex>no, the display manager.
13:17<g3o>how ?
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13:17<Eulex>/etc/init.d/[gkx]dm restart
13:17<dpkg>libtool: (Generic library support script), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.24-1 (sid), Packaged size: 328 kB, Installed size: 880 kB
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13:18<Eulex>dpkg is lagging?
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13:19<george>g3o: do something for me... first, hit ctrl-alt-F2 , look at what you see, then hit ctrl-alt-F7 to come back
13:19<molnitza>Hello. I am looking for a standart debian etch sources.list.
13:19<george>molnitza: do you have debian running now?
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13:20<Eulex>molnitza, that's deb and deb-src of a debian mirror, release etch, section stable. and deb for
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13:20<molnitza>because i am looking for emdebian and in my repos i can not find it
13:20<g3o>george when i wrote the command with restart ,it said attention out of range , then when i clicked ctrl alt f2 , i got again : debian login :
13:21<Eulex>that's an easy one. it's not in etch.
13:21<molnitza>oh no
13:21<george>g3o: is that what you log into? a screen like that?
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13:22<g3o>george what i get is like a shell ,but jsut taht , its like am in dos , i dont have graphical interface
13:22<molnitza>have i to use debian3.1?
13:22<Eulex>molnitza, it
13:22<Eulex>molnitza, it's not in sarge either.
13:22<george>molnitza: that would be an earlier release
13:22<Eulex>molnitza, it's in testing and unstable.
13:23<Eulex>g3o, give us the exact error it gave you, or fix it yourself.
13:23<molnitza>than I have to use the unstable repos?
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13:24<g3o>when i wrote in the command /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm restart , the error displayed is : Attention out of range H:3.0KHZ V174.5Hz
13:24<george>g3o: so, is that normal for you? doslike interface?
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13:24<g3o>nope its not :s
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13:25<george>what I mean is, is that what you get when you boot the computer?
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13:26<Eulex>g3o, read your Xorg.0.log. look for (EE) and (WW). if you can, pastebin it.
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13:26<g3o>my problem is that i had debian on a pc , n then i move the hard drive to an another pc , and now i moved the drive to an another pc with totally other hardware , so when it starts , its doesnt reach the graphical interface , its says no screen found
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13:27<Eulex>does it still say no screens found? and you did understand that that error message means that something somewhere went wrong, and that it is not an accurate error message?
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13:27<Eulex>(the real error will be in Xorg.0.log)
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13:28<george>what I mean is, is this dos-like interface what you get when you boot this computer that has the completely different hardware?
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13:29<simonrvn>dos-like? different h/w 'cause you're in console?
13:29<simonrvn>!confuse me
13:29<dpkg>No, those are your gouda yesterday, simonrvn? shirts of the democracy of tibet with extra cheese
13:30<g3o>yes ; copz i booted with the hard drive with completet new hardware
13:30<g3o>how can i read xorg log file ? what is the command :s ?
13:30<g3o>( total noob :$ )
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13:31<george>g3o: ok, so right now on this machine, the graphical interface does not work at all. true?
13:31<g3o>yes :) i only have this doslike thingy
13:32<g3o>wich is not that helpful for me
13:32<george>ok, cool :) now we have a starting point
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13:32<Eulex>g3o, use nano. the file is in /var/log/, btw
13:33<george>less might be a better choice
13:33<dpkg>it has been said that less is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. The command-syntax is: ...
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13:33<Eulex>more can do backwards scrolling. 'b'. but only on files, and not streams.
13:34<george>but you got it; I was just clarifying the problem
13:35<george>I'm just saying nano wouldn't be a good choice since it's easy to change the file
13:35<matth>I would have done a dpkg-reconfigure xorg in order to replay the autoconfiguration mecanism of the postinst scripts that should rewrite a proper xorg.conf according to the actual h/w
13:36<Hideo_Kuze>you tell him dpkg!
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13:36<george>I wan't comparing less to more :)
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13:37<floku>g3o: You could this command to list all errors and warnings in the xorg log:
13:37<floku>egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:37<simonrvn>i wanted the less more joke, hence my 'bah'
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13:38<matth>or run xdebconfigurator
13:39<matth>don't you people think that should quickky solve g3o's problem ?
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13:39<simonrvn>gotta figure out what it is first...
13:40<g3o>i went into the /var/log
13:40<g3o>typed egrep xorg.0.log
13:40<matth>well, he got HorizSync & VertRefresh from the past screen...
13:40<g3o>its been sometime its kinda humm doing nth
13:40<g3o>n i cant wrtie naything
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13:40<matth>g3o: type Control-D
13:41<matth>(or Control-C)
13:41<g3o>al back , can write now
13:41<g3o>yeah yaeh im familair with taht from dos
13:41<aricz_>Hi, I'm wondering if anyone else is having this problem with rTorrent. I'm trying to seed torrents on a private tracker. It says I'm unconnectable. I have no problems downloading from them (and while I'm downloading the uploading also works).. once it hits 100% no one can download from me. Anyone know what may cause this? rTorrent 0.6.4 libTorrent 0.10.4 ..
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13:41<fxiny>riia-comcasters ?
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13:41<g3o>so now what can i do to see taht log file ?
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13:42<Eulex>g3o, you missed half of the command floku gave you.
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13:42<g3o>ohhh okay ..
13:42<g3o>one sec
13:42<floku>g3o: a simpler method would be:
13:42<Eulex>g3o, you could use less or nano to read it. but note that linux is case sensitive.
13:42<floku>egrep 'EE|WW' Xorg.0.log
13:42<Hideo_Kuze>aricz: you're using stable?
13:42<aricz>Hideo_Kuze : yeps
13:43<Hideo_Kuze>aricz: afaik rtorrent in stable does not have protocol encryption, hence it may be blocked by your ISP
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13:44<Hideo_Kuze>aricz: the rtorrent in testing and sid both have protocol encryption
13:44<aricz>Look, when I'm on open trackers, when it hits 100% it still seeds.. but on private trackers, it just stops at 100%
13:45<Hideo_Kuze>oh, I don't know then
13:45<aricz>so the problem is specifically on private trackers..
13:45<DeepDayze>try setting a different port
13:45<g3o>grep : /var/log/xorg.0.log : NO such file or directory
13:45<aricz>tried that too
13:45<g3o>but whrn i clik dir , i can see this file tho ...
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13:45<george>g3o: ls /var/log
13:45<george>look for it
13:46<floku>g3o: Xorg with a captial X
13:46<george>(don't paste that here tho)
13:46<aricz>I've googled this problem and found several people complaining about rtorrent and private trackers.. the problem seeding after the torrent is 100% .. I just can't seem to find anyone with the answer.. :]
13:46<DeepDayze>g3o:use pastebin
13:46<g3o>george , i can see the file Xorg.0.log there ..
13:46<g3o>now what can i do to open it ?
13:46<Eulex>g3o, it's case sensitive. that means that you'll _have_ to type Xorg, xorg will _not_ do.
13:46<george>g3o: notice the difference between that name and the name you tried
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13:47<g3o>ahhhhh thougth capitals dsnt matter
13:47<g3o>now i got it
13:47<g3o>i got a big list
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13:48<g3o>with lots of directories saying they dotn exist
13:48<aricz>Hmm, how dumb is it to try rTorrent from testing .. or sid ? I'm a newb, so, I better stay away from it? :)
13:48<g3o>all with WW
13:48<g3o>the i got an II
13:48<g3o>and a EE
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13:48<g3o>AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
13:48<george>that shows in detail what happened last time your X started
13:48<Hideo_Kuze>aricz: there may be alot of dependency problem
13:49<g3o>now wut ?
13:49<Eulex>g3o, none of those that you have mentioned yet are fatal.
13:49<g3o>II : loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
13:50<g3o>do u want me to list the WW ones ?
13:50<Eulex>you shouldn't care about II
13:50<Eulex>only one EE?
13:50<Eulex>yeah, list the WWs, but put them in a pastebin
13:50<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
13:50<g3o>yes there was just one EE , the one i wrote
13:51<aricz>ok, perhaps try figuring out the version I'm on now.. it is strange isn't it, DL/UL works on open trackers AND after it's downloaded.. while DL/UL works on private trackers, but NOT after it's downloaded..
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13:55<g3o>Eulex here you are , i type all of that :p
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13:56<Eulex>ah. none of those are fatal either. take a look at the end of the log, what does it say there?
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13:57<g3o>it ends wwith the EE thing : (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
13:58<Eulex>strange that it would end with that. what version of xserver-xorg do you have?
13:58<g3o>how can i know that ?
13:58<zar>how can we write an iso file to a usb
13:59<Eulex>g3o, dpkg -l xserver-xorg
13:59<Eulex>zar, use dd
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13:59<Eulex>zar, oh, if you mean actually write the image, and not put it onto it as a file.
13:59<g3o>version 7.1.0-16
13:59<zar>do we need 2 mount it Euler
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14:00<Eulex>g3o, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf , comment out the line about AIGLX (you comment it out by putting a # at the beginning of the line)
14:00<fxiny>Xorg -version
14:01<Eulex>zar, not to dd onto it, then you should keep it unmounted.
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14:01<zar>ok lemme try
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14:06<g3o>Eulex i opened it with vi , but i cant see AIGLX anythere in the file
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14:06<nexx__>is there a cache for all network traffic?
14:06<Eulex>g3o, what does Xorg -version output, then?
14:07<Eulex>nexx__, caching _everything_ would be quite overkill and actually not possible.
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14:07<nexx__>so each program has their own cache? and they dont need to go thru a general cache?
14:08<rkos>WARNING: FreeType development files not found.
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14:08<rkos>i did apt-cache search freetype and installed everything i could from the list
14:08<rkos>but i still get that
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14:09<Eulex>nexx__, there is no such thing as a 'general network cache'. an app can impossibly know how to cache all protocols.
14:09<nexx__>ok, question then....why is it when any torrent program runs, regardless of how slow it is running, all my other internet appz start getting slower speeds
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14:09<nexx__>almost inoperable speeds
14:09<floku>rkos: do you have libfreetype6-dev?
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14:09<g3oo>Eulex sorry disc
14:10<g3oo>when i type Xorg -version
14:10<rkos>i have
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14:10<Eulex>rkos, you're getting that when running ./configure of some program?
14:10<zar>Euler if directly use dd with command dd if=myiso.iso of=/dev/sdd1 will it work
14:11<g3oo>it says : X window system version 7.7.1 , release date .... build operating system .... curretn operating system linux debian ..... C 2007 i686 , build date .... before reporting problems ..... module loader present
14:11<rkos>yes Eulex
14:12<Eulex>zar, yes, that'll write the iso onto the usb key. I don't know whether you can boot a cd image from an usb key, though if that is your intention.
14:12<Eulex>rkos, then read the config.log.
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14:12<zar>then how can i make it bootable
14:12<rkos>what am i looking for
14:12<zar>just as if i burn it 2 a disk
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14:13<Eulex>zar, I don't know.
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14:13<zar>ok thanks neways
14:13<Eulex>rkos, the reason it fails to find freetype. it will tell you the reason, if you look well enough.
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14:14<Eulex>g3oo, 7.7.1 is not released, 7.3.0 is the newest release.
14:14<g3oo>oh sorry
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14:15<Golfgeo>hi all
14:15<Eulex>g3oo, ok, that's strange. 7.1.1 doesn't have AIGLX enabled by default, so it shouldn't try to use it if you haven't told it to in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. are you sure this file doesn't say anything about AIGLX?
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14:17<g3oo>yeah im pretty sure :s i opened it with vi , and it said stuff bout screen keyborad mouse .... but not AIGLX
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14:22<rkos>what was the command to configure the xserver config
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14:22<Eulex>!drxx rkos
14:22<dpkg>rkos: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
14:22<Eulex>g3oo, sorry, no idea then
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14:23<floku>g3oo: Maybe it is time to take a step back: How different is the video hardware in the new system? Did you ever try to reconfigure xorg?
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14:23<dpkg>If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made.
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14:26<jthomas>is anyone here familiar with the FilePro database?
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14:31<rkos>ok i looked in config.log and im not really sure about any of the stuff that there was but this looked like it could be somewhat related:
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14:32<Eulex>rkos, your libz is somehow incompatible with your libfreetype is what it says.
14:33<rkos>so what should i do
14:35<Eulex>make sure that both of those libraries and their dev files are from a debian release, and the same debian release.
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14:36<rkos>and how do i do that?
14:37<Eulex>apt-cache policy for starters
14:37<Eulex>apt-cache policy pkgname, that is
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14:37<Eulex>then make sure that you have no libz or libfreetype in any other place than /lib or /usr/lib
14:38<Eulex>then use debsums to make sure that the ones you have are the correct ones.
14:38<rkos>whats libz?
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14:39<Eulex>rkos, a library for compressing stuff, actually more commonly referred to as zlib.
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14:40<rkos>though i think i've been banging my head against the table for a good while now, gonna stop and go do something else
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14:45<g3oo>well , since i still couldnt solve my problem , im thinking bout reinstalling debian
14:45<g3oo>but i dont have the cd ... i have a usb key ...
14:45<g3oo>is taht possible ?
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14:47<floku>g3oo: Does the new system have the same graphics card as the old one?
14:47<g3oo>no its , an another one
14:48<floku>g3oo: Did you reconfigure xorg after making the transition to the new system?
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14:49<g3oo>yes i did , n chose all the default setting with autodetectiong , with 2 monitors , and still doesnt work
14:50<floku>g3oo: OK, then: Which graphics card is it? Run "lspci" and find the line(s) that describe(s) your video hardware.
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14:54<Bennisen>hi. anyone here? this is an english chat right?
14:54<JasonS>Bennisen: it is
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14:55<Bennisen>ok, i have a question about streaming
14:55<g3oo>floku its an s3
14:56<JasonS>!tell Bennisen about ask
14:56<Bennisen>i want to stream mp3 and video files in a browser for privat use. I have no Idea how i can realize it.
14:57<Bennisen>i have a friend with php and mysql abilities, but i dont know which Web Player i can use
14:57<Bennisen>it must be open source
14:58<floku>g3oo: there are several drivers for "S3": s3, s3virge, savage, ... What is the exact model of the card given by lspci?
14:59<Eulex>Bennisen, mplayer or vlc, perhaps?
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15:01<norbert_>hi all, top shows my Xorg to have a 20-25% CPU load, sometimes up to 40%, even when I have no programs open; this never was the case and is also happening after a reboot; any ideas of what could be causing this?
15:01<Bennisen>its not a public stream. Can i bind it to my php? I want a Playlist in my browser with a Mediaplayer. I know Mplayer and VLC, but i dont know how i can use it this way
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15:02<Bennisen>i was thinking about icecast or somehting, but the streams can be played with a much of different Players
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15:04<Bennisen>anyone know a good howto or something?
15:05<norbert_>Bennisen, I stepped in a bit later, what exactly are you trying to do?
15:05<norbert_>do you want your website to have an embedded playlist with playable songs?
15:06<Bennisen>yes :)
15:06<Bennisen>and videos
15:07<norbert_>how about using flash, would you be okay with that?
15:07<Bennisen>is it possible and with no costs?
15:07<norbert_>because I'm pretty sure that most websites use flash nowadays to embed these things
15:07<norbert_>yes, it is
15:08<Bennisen>later i want to add more files woth ftp
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15:08<Bennisen>anyone know a example website?
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15:09<Bennisen>nothing like plz :)
15:10<norbert_>yeah, there are several example websites
15:10<norbert_>I'm looking for one with a source, so that you could use it yourself
15:12<norbert_>that will probably work
15:12<norbert_>or maybe
15:13<norbert_>another one
15:13<norbert_>this isn't really Debian related though
15:13<norbert_>so you're probably asking this in the wrong channel
15:13<norbert_>look on Google for free flash mp3 player or visit #php or #flash (on efnet) or something; good luck
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15:15<g3oo>floku its a S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]
15:17<Bennisen>oh my god its so easy what i want to do. I was thinking i must study programming to do something like this :p
15:18<g3oo>good for u Bennisen :p
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15:19<SD14>does anyone know anthing about dsl linux
15:19<floku>g3oo: OK, according to the Xorg documentation, this shoudl be the "s3" (legacy) driver. Is that what the Xorg configuration dialog suggested?
15:20<Eulex>SD14, yes, someone does.
15:20<chealer>SD14: that's offtopic here.
15:20<SD14>oo didnt know sorry
15:21<dpkg>methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>)
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15:47<XTF>Hi. Does anyone know if there's an Apache module to connect via TCP to a FastCGI server?
15:48<college>does unix and linxu have the same programing code... like using the command terminal is is the same ????
15:48<amphi>college: if you use the same shell ;)
15:48<cusco>or tools
15:49<cusco>like bash, grep, awk
15:50<college>i want to learn linux programing so i can admin the sysetm better, but my college offers unix admin will it help me
15:51<jagerman>Why don't you ask the instructor of the course?
15:52<college>I can never find them and they never check there email
15:52<ifvoid>yeah, it depends on the type of unix and the programs theiy're using
15:52<ifvoid>it might include bash, sed and awk, which would also be useful on linux
15:52<ifvoid>but it laso might not
15:53<ifvoid>an instructor for a unix admin course who doesnt check his email?
15:53<ifvoid>maybe you should find another courde ;)
15:53<college>lol yea there pity laze
15:54<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
15:54<ifvoid>just fyi ;)
15:55<college> bwahahaha bwahahaha i like that
15:55<college> bwahahaha
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15:56<college>THANK YOU ALL !
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16:08<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
16:09<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
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16:11<dpkg>botspew is, like, what I do when you don't /msg me
16:11<dpkg>STOP!!! please... no more...
16:12<Ganneff>please play with /msg dpkg
16:13<CyberMatt>yes do
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16:21<sleske>Thanks, point taken :-)
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16:27<andrej>can someone help me? i want that a program (xblindkeys) autoruns at startup how can i do that ?
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16:28<andrej>i have debian kde
16:28<sleske>andrej: If you use Gnome or KDE, they should have some kind of autostart folder/directory. Just put a link to your program there.
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16:29<andrej>just shortcut ?
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16:29<sleske>or just use google "kde autostart"
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16:30<sleske>points you here:
16:30<sleske>andrej: ?? It's hard to understand you if you don't make complete sentences.
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16:32<andrej>if i copy a shortcut in autostart directory will it work?
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16:34<sleske>andrej: Yes, that should work.
16:35<sleske>Well, I'm off. Bye.
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16:51<jthomas>how can i mount and use EXT3 fs in a system which cannot run e2fsck against it? I should have used ext2 but I made them ext3 and i don't want to start over, the data itself is from a dieing drive...
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16:53<DanDare>jthomas, you tried to mount the drive?
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16:56<jthomas>DanDare: yeah... well i've changed (via a live CD) the drive's /etc/fstab to ext2 but it still stops at boot
16:57<DanDare>jthomas, why not usse ext3 for the drive in fstab?
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16:57<jthomas>it's not booting if i do; e2fsck complains at boot time
16:58<DanDare>jthomas, i cant understand how you change fstab and reboot using the fstab you changed in a live-cd
16:58<jthomas>using the live CD, i mounted the drive and changed to the drive's /etc/fstab and edited it. then i rebooted without the LiveCD
16:58<DanDare>jthomas, anyway, if you just boot using live cd you can reach command line?
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16:59<DanDare>ok uderstand now
16:59<jthomas>yes. thats how i edited it
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16:59<DanDare>jthomas, try to just supress the drive in fstab
16:59<DanDare>boot normaly and mount the drive
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17:00<DanDare>you dont need the drive listed on fstab to be able to mount it
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17:07<jthomas>ah but it is the / and /boot partitions
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17:08<DanDare>jthomas, so you must run e2fsck from live CD on the partition
17:08<jthomas>i have
17:08<jthomas>no fix :(
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17:12<TA>hi. i want to change the solution of my monitor. 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480 are possible. my monitor can handle 1280x 1024..but i can not choose this optionj. where can i change this?
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17:14<chealer>!drxx TA
17:14<dpkg>TA: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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17:19<jthomas>anyone know if the md5sum is an issue with xorg?
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17:23<chealer>jthomas: yes
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17:23<chealer>jthomas: (it's not)
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17:24<TA>where can i change my screen solution? i change as root xserver-xorg and added the solutions...but now i can not activate the new solution. must i restart?
17:24<chealer>TA: did you restart X?
17:24<JasonS>TA: try that
17:24<chealer>TA: you need to restart X for X configuration changes to be reflected
17:25<TA>k. i enter X as root in te shell?
17:25<chealer>TA: no. which display manager do you use?
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17:26<TA>this deliver with debian.
17:26<JasonS>TA: kde or gnome?
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17:26<JasonS>gdm then
17:26<JasonS>most likely
17:27<chealer>TA: Debian "delivers" several display managers. if you don't mind losing your GNOME session, try # invoke-rc.d gdm restart
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17:27[~]JasonS thinks TA rebooted heh
17:28<JasonS>no wait, theyre new so they dont know of screen etc.
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17:30<TA>thx. now i hava a nice resolution.
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17:41<LfGrdMike>ls /usr/
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18:01<solanaceo>hi guys,.. i am reading a routing how to (i am a complete noob in networking), and i would like to know if " network" means that that network has 1-24 hosts.. or something else....
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18:03<solanaceo>apeitheo, many thanks dude....
18:03<apeitheo>solanaceo, if you want to know anything more (what exactly the subnet mask it or whatever)
18:04<apeitheo>it's not really too important I guess
18:04<apeitheo>the subnet mask for for example is
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18:04<apeitheo>in binary, the first 3 digits in that IP address are 8 bits each
18:04<apeitheo>to get the number 255, you'd have 8 bits filled with all 1's
18:05<apeitheo>it basically means the first (8x3) or 24 bits of the IP address are flagged with 1
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18:05<apeitheo>solanaceo, that's it, it doesn't correspond to how many clients
18:06<solanaceo>apeitheo, agin dude.. many thanks!!
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18:06<apeitheo>first 3 numbers, rather, not digits, sorry
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18:07<apeitheo>Supaplex, yeah, I just couldn't think of the name off hand
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18:15<Entheogen>guys, can I use my laptop to connect on internet through my desktop? they are on lan, and laptop has debian sid, desktop - debian etch
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18:16<Nemoder>Entheogen: do you need full internet access or just web?
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18:19<apeitheo>Nemoder, would this work with PPP (dialup?)
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18:20<apeitheo>ah, I've been looking for a way to do this for a while
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18:20<Nemoder>that link has instructions for both
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18:20<Nemoder>but if you only need web access a proxy is a lot more simple to setup
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18:21<Nemoder>also it's a good idea to install dnsmasq to cache dns lookups, that can speed things up a fair amount
18:22<apeitheo>well I'd probably need full access, as it'd be a full time thing
18:22<apeitheo>I'm hoping to get satellite soon at home though, so I would only need this for a little bit
18:22<apeitheo>thanks :)
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18:33<panagos>does /usr/bin/file identify git blobs ? (and which version does this?)
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18:37<releana>woot, restarting fixed the problem
18:37<releana>thanks all
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18:39<alessio>good evening
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18:39<alessio>anyone could help me makeing my ipw2100 working?:(
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18:40<sammy>I'm getting strange errors from xkbcomp when starting X. output of X -verbose is here if it would help:
18:40<alessio>sry sammy i can't help you
18:40<sammy>not quite where to look to start diagnosing this sort of thing
18:42[~]Vanye gives up trying to get the info from dpkg and wonders aloud which package contains "htm2txt".
18:43<sammy>Vanye, if you're trying to convert html to text, I'd normally use something like w3m
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18:45<Vanye>I wonder if that's in Slackware...
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18:49<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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18:52<panagos>Vanye: did you try "dpkg -S htm2txt" ?
18:52<Supaplex>that only works if it's installed. apt-file can find uninstalled stuff to use
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18:53<panagos>btw, apt-file needs an internet connection?
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18:55<Supaplex>yes, to apt-file update
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19:02[~]NhiVanye laughs and looks for his ghost.
19:03<releana>hey, could someone help me out? I'm trying to install my ati drivers
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19:03<releana>oh, i'm using Ubuntu 7.10
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19:04<Ganneff>releana: no. you are wrong here.
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19:04<NhiVanye>I caught something about using apt to find htm2txt, but I'm running Slackware. Used to run Woody, but Slack had a really easy to install Speakup kernel for the blind.
19:04<orto>releana: fglrx?
19:04<releana>what's that?
19:04<releana>i went to the ATI site, and it said it had linux drivers
19:04<Ganneff>you need to go into a ubuntu channel.
19:04<releana>okay, sorry
19:04<releana>i'll do that
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19:05<releana>which one is that btw? just #ubuntu ?
19:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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19:06<releana>Okay :) Thanks. Sorry for not choosing Debian
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19:06<dkr>easily remedied
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19:08[~]CyberMatt Dirty Little Secret - Move Along - All American Rejects (x«amarok)
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19:09<Ganneff>chealer: please stop those public music announces
19:10<orto>could anyone say are there any linux-image with xen support in Lenny??
19:10<Eulex>I think that was a mistab
19:10<NhiVanye>So whatever happened to irc.openprojects? I've been offline since 2002.
19:11<CyberMatt>this is ot i think
19:12<NhiVanye>Well, it's nice seeing something available. Good to know you're here.
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19:14<CyberMatt>thats better
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20:03<koruja>Olá pessoal! Alguém pode me ajudar a configurar a minha placa de som num Acer Aspire 3050 com Debian 4? Já rodei o alsaconf. Ele acha a minha placa e sigo todos os passos ....... qdo reinicio... ele só reconhece uma placa genérica
20:04<DanDare>koruja: /join #debian-br
20:04<lupine>question - from the official Debian Etch DVD 1, can I install a 'straight' KDE system? I.e. the same sort of system I would have if I used the Etch CD 1-KDE?
20:05<chealer>lupine: yes
20:05<koruja>Thank you Dan!
20:05<lupine>cool, thanks :). I assume it asks me at some point in the install process?
20:05[~]lupine is preparing for an installfest that starts in 9 hours!
20:05<chealer>lupine: not really, you need to use the boot parameters
20:05<lupine>ah, ok
20:06<lupine>I guess I should look those up
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20:11<lupine>cool, thanks
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20:30<Supaplex>grimar: you're not a very good spy for them. ;)
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20:31<contrast83>Greets, everyone... I just installed Debian and I can't get the composite extension working on my video card. I know this card supports it using the open driver. Any ideas?
20:32<contrast83>I'm on Lenny and it's a Radeon M6, BTW.
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20:34<contrast83>This is the second consecutive computer Debian's given me this problem with, within a matter of days. You can imagine my frustration. :-|
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20:37<contrast83>Umm... So no one here knows what would cause the composite extension to not work specifically under Debian, when it works fine with every other distro I've tried?
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20:38<Supaplex>contrast83: what else have you tried? How many of us have the same hardware and install profile as yourself? Have you considered the mailing list? How much are you paying for this on the spot answers in 5min or less support?
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20:39<contrast83>Supaplex: Easy there, hoss. I'm not crying here, just venting a bit. Put yourself in my shoes for a bit, maybe it'll make sense.
20:40<Supaplex>all my glx is b0ked. i'm unhappy to, and ... well it's been weeks and I haven't give it much effort.
20:40<contrast83>You just spent hours installing all your programs, getting things set up the way you want, then you discover a deal breaker, TWICE, within a matter of days, with the same distro.
20:41<apeitheo>I can't wait until we have decent graphics card with open drivers
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20:41<Supaplex>send me one of your cards and maybe i can figure it out ;)
20:41<apeitheo>contrast83, you trying to get the shadows/transparency working and whatnot?
20:41<contrast83>This card has worked beautifully with the open driver for over a year now. This is the first time I've had issues with it.
20:41<contrast83>apeitheo: Compiz-Fusion, yeah.
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20:42<contrast83>Sorry for coming in here and bitching. I'm just a bit heated.
20:42<apeitheo>I'm waiting until it's been stable for a while to run it full time
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20:43<contrast83>apeitheo: It's as stable as you want it to be. If that's your main concern, just enable the plugins you find *useful* and go without a few of the eye-candy ones.
20:44<apeitheo>well I don't remember the deal with it, but if I remember correctly they're trying to get it working with xrender (as that's the way it should be done, IIRC) as opposed to composite
20:44<contrast83>I've seen people run it for over two weeks straight, no crashes.
20:45<contrast83>Hrm... Haven't heard anything about that. You're not talking about XCB, are you?
20:45<apeitheo>once it's been in use for a few years and I can apt-get it and have it work right out of the box, haha
20:45<apeitheo>contrast83, not sure, I don't remember the details, I just remember that composite is just a temporary solution I think until the major video cards get their acts together (nvidia & ati)
20:46<apeitheo>which is part of the reason why E17 hasn't integrated the nice effects yet
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20:47<contrast83>well, i'll be happy when my graphics cards work in debian the way they should. i'll give it another shot then. :-X
20:47<contrast83>oh no, i'm sounding like *that* guy. my apologies.
20:47<apeitheo>contrast83, I think that sort of touches on it, that's kind of an old article though, but I don't think it's been fixed yet
20:48<contrast83>kind of? :-P
20:48<apeitheo>isn't ati coming out with fully open source drivers soon?
20:49<contrast83>as fast as this stuff moves, i don't think you can really point to a 4 year old article as evidence of much. :-)
20:49<contrast83>i didn't hear about that. i do know they've been releasing a lot of specs which is making it easier for the Xorg devs to develop free drivers
20:50<apeitheo>well I think if we're still using composite instead of xrender, then the problem probably still exists, but I don't really know
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20:50<scott_>what's the highest kernel version level I can install today with apt-get?
20:50<apeitheo>contrast83, yeah, after amd acquired ati, I think they released they soon they were going to be releasing them open source (or at least getting closer to that point)
20:51<scott_>will apt-get install 2.6.23?
20:51<contrast83>the major compiz devs, from what i've seen, have a pretty strong anti-workaround ethic, and from all the time i've spent in #compiz-fusion, i've never seen anyone mention composite as a hack/workaround.
20:51<scott_>I run 'apt-cache search kernel-image and the highest level it lists is 2.6.8
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20:52<apeitheo>once this happens I imagine people will switch over to ati cards for linux in droves
20:52<contrast83>well anyway, thanks for putting up with my venting. i'm off. peace out.
20:53<contrast83>^ +1
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20:53<contrast83>based solely on their actions thus far, my next video card will probably be an ati
20:53<contrast83>ok, really out. later
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20:53<user01>grrr. . . cant figure out why automount isnt working in lenny
20:54<Gryfelhase>if I want install openoffice org on etch, it tells me, xlibs are recomented
20:54<Gryfelhase>but if i try to install, it tells me, it's not available
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20:55<tresko22>Gryfelhase: Did you DL your files from
20:55<Gryfelhase>trsko: No, debian etch
20:56<Gryfelhase>with netinstall
20:56<user01>does anyone know something about automounting and things i can do to troubleshoot?
20:56<tresko22>Gryfelhase: apt-get -f install , then apt-get install *what you want?
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20:57<tresko22>Gryfelhase: I might be wrong.. but operation suggested cant do harm
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20:57<tresko22>user01__: Youre trying to mount?
20:58<Gryfelhase>I'll try, but I guess, it can't even find xlibs..... have to use apt-cache serach before
20:58<user01>tresko22, have it automount in gnome
20:59<user01>user01__, dang i forgot i left that computer on at work
20:59<Gryfelhase>I didn't found at google a solution, to get xpdf printing with cups.... anyone who knows, what comand can I use to print it? (The default one is just lpr)
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21:01<alec>Gryfelhase: cupsys-bsd makes lpr work with cups
21:01<alec>Gryfelhase: don't know if that's what you're looking for
21:01<tresko22>Gryfelhase: Try lates
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21:05<alec>I'm having trouble with my external firewire hard drive. Advice on the internet for my problem is to enable serialize_io on sbp2; when I 'modprobe firewire_sbp2 sbp2_serialize_io=1' (and variations on that), modprobe tells me it's an invalid option. Does anyone know how to get this working, or at least point me at the firewire_sbp2 documentation? Google doesn't help.
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21:11<Gryfelhase>strange.... using noapic, nolapic, acpi=off and pnpbios=off makes alsaconf detects my soundchip better :)
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21:12<dondelelcaro>you shouldn't even need to use alsaconf
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21:13<dondelelcaro>just look at the lspci output and load the proper module if udev hasn't done so for some reason
21:14<Gryfelhase>ok, alsoconf did it ok now. I used since ever alsaconf so far :)
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21:35<lucas_amorim>Hello! Does anyone knows a software capable of making a video composed by a slide of pictures in jpg available for debian lenny ?
21:36<lucas_amorim>the output could be in any format supported by mplayer
21:36<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: mencoder can do that
21:37<lucas_amorim>dondelcaro: is it easy? could you point me some site or guide me through the process?
21:38<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: man mencoder; it has an example of how to do it at the end
21:38<lucas_amorim>thank you! :)
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21:48<user01>do i need to add a fstab line for usbdrive?
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21:51<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: It is not working, it is complaining about a missing file... I am going to paste at pastebin for you to see the output
21:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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21:52<user01>has anyone had a problem with automount in gnome that stopped working?
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21:52<dondelelcaro>user01: if someone has, there should be a bug filed for it
21:52<dondelelcaro>probably against hal
21:53<d00d__>How can i disable ipv6 ive changed in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases net still runing slow no wireless strange
21:53<user01>dondelelcaro, it unistalled some gnome components when i did hal
21:54<lucas_amorim>dondelekcaro: I have searched for the file subfont.ttf in the entire system, there is none.
21:54<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: heh. that's not the problem; it's segfaulting that's the problem.
21:54<gsimmons>d00d__: To disable, blacklist the ipv6 module.
21:55<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: you have some .jpg files in that directory, right?
21:55<d00d__>which file name gsimmons
21:55<gsimmons>!tell d00d__ -about blacklist
21:55<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: yes, 276.
21:55<user01>dondelelcaro, how can i make it so a user can read write to /media/usbdisk and mount /dev/sda1?
21:56<user01>dondelelcaro, because i obviously have to do it manually if it wont mount on its own
21:56<dondelelcaro>user01: add a line to fstab like /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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21:57<dondelelcaro>user01: man 5 fstab; and man mount; to understand what I just told you
21:57<user01>dondelelcaro, i saw some examples with utf-8?
21:57<dondelelcaro>user01: that's a filesystem specific option
21:57[~]dondelelcaro doesn't use vfat on his usb devices, so doesn't use it
21:58<user01>dondelelcaro, oh ok dev/sda1 /media/pendrive vfat noauto,rw,user,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
21:58<dondelelcaro>yeah, if you've only got vfat on the pendrive
21:59<lucas_amorim>is there a iocharset=auto option?
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22:00<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: man mount;
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22:00<dondelelcaro>you have questions about mount options, man mount; has answers
22:00[~]dondelelcaro would have to read it to tell you the answer, so cutting out the middle man is good
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22:00<user01>dondelelcaro, if i leave out the noauto it should mount automatically maybe?
22:01<dondelelcaro>user01: the noauto is only for keeping the drive from being mounted at boot
22:01<dondelelcaro>(which you almost definetly don't want)
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22:02<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: so, do you think that error is a bug?
22:02<user01>dondelelcaro, so i dont want to have noauto then?
22:02<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: yes.
22:02<dondelelcaro>user01: you want it
22:02<lucas_amorim>any workarounds do you suggest?
22:02<user01>dondelelcaro, your example has auto instead
22:02<gsimmons>lucas_amorim: Add '-v' or '-vv' to increase mencoder's verbosity, to determine where it is segfaulting. Otherwise, update your copy from mplayer's SVN repo.
22:02<dondelelcaro>user01: uh... no it doesn't.
22:03<user01>user01: add a line to fstab like /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
22:03<lucas_amorim>gsimmons: ok, i will try :)
22:03<dondelelcaro>user01: see the noauto there?
22:03<user01>dondelelcaro, i said it had auto
22:03<dondelelcaro>user01: the auto that you're getting confused with is the field that specifies the filesystem. man 5 fstab; and become enlightened.
22:04<user01>dondelelcaro, oh sorry
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22:04<user01>dondelelcaro, thats pretty good idea cause then it could be any file system
22:04<lucas_amorim>well, I think I just have to find a subfont.ttf file and place it under ~/.mplayer
22:04<lucas_amorim>look: Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).
22:05<lucas_amorim>couldn't it work?
22:05<lucas_amorim>that is line 35
22:05<lucas_amorim>does anyone have a subfont.ttf file? :p
22:06<lucas_amorim>to send me :)
22:06<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: you can symlink any ttf font there
22:06<lucas_amorim>I will try
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22:07<user01>dondelelcaro, do i have to change directory permissions for /media/usbstick for read/write?
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22:07<dondelelcaro>user01: no
22:07<user01>dondelelcaro, for users?
22:07<user01>dondelelcaro, ok
22:08<user01>dondelelcaro, i have to reboot for fstab to go into effect?
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22:08<dondelelcaro>user01: no
22:09<user01>dondelelcaro, oh since it is noauto should make a difference right
22:09<lucas_amorim>ok, It seems to have worked, now the error is another... I will paste that
22:09<dondelelcaro>this is unix; the only thing you have to reboot to deal with is a kernel update (and with kexec, even that may be in the past)
22:09<dondelelcaro>user01: all noauto does is tell mount -a; to skip that filesystem
22:11<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro, gsimmons:
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22:12<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: yeah, that's some kind of bug in mencoder
22:12<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: you can try using a different codec
22:12<artur>Hello all
22:12<lucas_amorim>:( Then, it is impossible to do what i want?
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22:13<user01>dondelelcaro, if i have ntfs-3g installed could i add an fstab line for that too?
22:13<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: well, it's certainly possible; try something like mencoder "mf://*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -v
22:13<dondelelcaro>user01: presumably
22:14[~]dondelelcaro hasn't used ntfs-3g though
22:14<user01>dondelelcaro, for some elses ntfs disk
22:15<artur>aptitude update is used to update packages. how can I actually start the process of updating withing leaving the command line? right now I do ~$ aptitude update, then go to Synaptic > Mark All Upgrades > Apply
22:15<gsimmons>user01: See <> for a NTFS-3G fstab example.
22:16<dondelelcaro>artur: you mean upgrading packages?
22:16<manphiz>artur: 'aptitude upgrade' or 'aptitude dist-upgrade', check the manpage
22:16<dondelelcaro>artur: just aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; (possibly full-upgrade)
22:17<user01>gsimmons, thanks
22:18<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: it is crashing a little bit later:
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22:20<artur>ok let me explain. when I do aptitude update I update the list of packages in my sources.list. it's not the same as aptitude upgrade. the command updates the list and then I am presented with the usual ~$ invitation. however--when I go to Synaptic and click Mark All Updates and then Apply, I see a whole list of packages waiting for updating. Briefly speaking, it looks AS IF aptitute update does NOT work, or does NOT actually update the packages
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22:20<user01>gsimmons, could i just copy everything you think that i did like flashdrive to give read write priveleges?
22:21<user01>gsimmons, except change the ntfs-3g instead of auto?
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22:22<user01>gsimmons, like for an external ntfs hard drive
22:23<gsimmons>user01: Probably. I haven't used ntfs-3g either.
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22:29<AndyJ_Australia>help! I'm out of disk space, and I suspect vmware is the culprit
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22:32<Supaplex>help! I can't answer questions if you only stick around a minute or two
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22:35<libervisco>Is compiz fusion in sid?
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22:40<chealer>libervisco: no
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22:44<gsimmons>libervisco: Current status of Compiz packaging can be found at <>.
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22:44<libervisco>thanks gsimmons, chealer
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22:56<user01>if i take one flash disk identified as sda1 out and put in another flash disk, will it be associated with sda2?
22:59<CyberMatt>because thats how it works
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23:19<bakon>Hello All Quick Question
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23:19<bakon>I am trying to set my Port to FULL Duplex and not Half Duplex any ideas?
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23:27<AndyJ_Australia>Hi people, if I'm not compiling kernals, do I need the source?
23:27<gsimmons>bakon: You can use mii-tool to force a specific duplex setting, if necessary.
23:27<bakon>ive been trying
23:28<bakon>mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD
23:28<bakon>but when i type ethtool eth0
23:28<bakon>it comes up still as a HD
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23:29<bakon>but when I type mii-tool eth0 it comes up as a Full D
23:29<bakon>dmesg grep -i duplex and that gives me a MIX of 7 different 5 Half 2 Full
23:30<bakon>now my port says twsaited port
23:30<bakon>i dont know if that makes a difference
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23:32<bakon>ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full
23:32<bakon>tried that also
23:32<GAMMAX>anyone know a good BASIC app
23:32<GAMMAX>for compileing BASIC code
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23:34<Requiem>Altair BASIC is supposed to be good.
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23:44<AndyJ_Australia>Can I increase the size of the root partition?
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23:47<chealer>AndyJ_Australia: yes, assuming you have free space
23:48<AndyJ_Australia>I'm worried about losing data if I try to reduce the size of another partition
23:49<AndyJ_Australia>Problem is: root = 1 Gb 80% used, home = 64 Gb 5% used
23:50<AndyJ_Australia>What tool should I use?
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23:53<college>how can i encrypt all of my deleted files and my whole disk
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23:53<bako1>he must of expected instant answers heh
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