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00:01<AndyJ_Australia>Who must have?
00:01<bakon>he asked waited 3 seconds and elft heh
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00:01<bakon>(23:53:08) college: how can i encrypt all of my deleted files and my whole disk
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00:02<AndyJ_Australia>Ah! I didn't notice that he left
00:02<bakon>you any good with ethtool and miitool?
00:02<AndyJ_Australia>Meanwhile... Can anyone point me at a method for resizing existing partitions?
00:02<AndyJ_Australia>Sorry, I haven't used either
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00:04<AndyJ_Australia>So far, all I have found is the gnome disks manager, which only seems to report
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00:06<AndyJ_Australia>Aha! Just found gparted
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00:16<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... looks dangerous
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00:22<chuck1954>is ther a file sharing program for Debian
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00:33<user01>is there a way to write a wav file when playing a flv video?
00:33<user01>it seems to play in totem
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00:36<dondelelcaro>user01: just use youtube-dl or similar to download the actual flv
00:39<user01>dondelelcaro, i just get the flv in the temp directory
00:40<user01>dondelelcaro, i think i figure out a way, did sound recorder and mix and it recorded the wav
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00:41<dondelelcaro>user01: if you've actually got the flv, there's no need to recode it
00:41<user01>dondelelcaro, i wanted to get an audio capture of a song
00:41<user01>dondelelcaro, in a video
00:41<dondelelcaro>user01: so use mencoder or mplayer to rip out the audio
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00:43<user01>dondelelcaro, not that flv audio is usually high quality
00:44<user01>the original or ii or iii?
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00:44<user01>the original it must be
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00:51<user01>dondelelcaro, wow that was easy thanks :)
00:52<Xenguy>user01: er, just don't mention webmin around dondelelcaro ...
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00:54<DanDare>hahahaha yeah
00:54<user01>Xenguy, ok
00:55<DanDare>!dpkg webmin
00:55<user01>is there a dpkg for that?
00:55<user01>oh ok
00:55<Xenguy>it's a running joke with me and dondelelcaro ;-)
00:55<Xenguy>at least I hope it is :P
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00:59<user01>haha i found an example with mplayer that seems dumb . . . he uses ffmpeg to expand a 8 kb source to 128 kb hehe
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02:36<travis>are you guys or do do you know of anybody using debian who's put together a package similar to nvidia's non-free driver installer, for the xfi soundcard driver?
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02:38<travis>i actually had let a person from #alsa-dev come onto my computer to try to figure it out, but without luck for both my onboard and soundcard, and i haven't found any sort of documentation that deals with the problems i hit.. the closest thing i could find was a kernel patch from some website that i know nothing about
02:38<travis>and looking for reviews from users of it, there seemed to be alot of fails
02:41<travis>meh, i guess this would be the kind of case where having a 10 year old computer would be more beneficial
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02:43<gsimmons>travis: Sorry to hear you're still experiencing difficulties with your onboard chipset. Regarding the closed-source X-Fi 64-bit drivers, these aren't even supported by the vendor. You can contribute "feedback" to upstream, but that seems to be all.
02:45<travis>alright, i have a feeling they'd work if i could get around that library bit but damned if i know how, maybe this is what the kernel patch was about
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03:15<Vanye>Hell. Does Etch have a speakup kernel/boot floppies?
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03:17[~]Vanye wonders if he can use Sarge's Speakup boot floppies to install Etch
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03:21<cyfuss_>Can I write in spanish?, this is a english channel
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03:22<Vanye>You could, but I dunno if you'll get an answer.
03:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:23<cyfuss_>well, I have a problem with resolution
03:23<cyfuss_>dpkg, thanks
03:23<dpkg>cyfuss_: sure thing
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03:24<cyfuss_>I have a kvm and debian change my resolution to 8900x600
03:24<cyfuss_>and I can't change now, I don't know because I have seen /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it's have a correct vconfiguration
03:29[~]Vanye shrugs. I'm blind, myself, and haven't seen the GUI in years.
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03:39<RIVE>Good night.
03:40<RIVE>I have a problem with the sound of a Dell inspiron 1520
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03:41<RIVE>Need help
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03:42<Eulex>cyfuss_, read your xorg log.
03:42<Eulex>!alsa checklist
03:42<dpkg>[alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
03:42<Eulex>RIVE, ^^
03:43<RIVE>Ok, let me try that sugestion.
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03:45<xxxxx>hello! i got a problem i'm runing debian kde and when turn on my computer and i come in X i log in and X resets and wants me to log in again an i log in again and it resets an screen goes black... i go an error loking like this DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0c:76:58:6b:89:
03:45<xxxxx>08:00 SRC= DST= LEN=96 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=6859 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=76
03:45<xxxxx>can some one help me ?
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03:45<xxxxx>could be the guarddog firewall ?
03:47<Eulex>those are two separate 'issues': (1) your kde appears to be broken (2) you appear to be running a firewall
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03:48<xxxxx>so if i uninstall my firewall it will be ok and the messages will go of ?
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03:49<Eulex>yes, but your X will not be fixed.
03:50<RIVE>Ok, after running alsaconf and then trying to run alsamixer this is the error the send me... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defaukt: No such device. Any suggetiosn for resolve this?
03:50<xxxxx>i dont understand why my i X is broken... how can i fix it?
03:50<Eulex>xxxxx, you read the logs. ~/.xsession-errors would be appropriate in this case.
03:51<Eulex>RIVE, did alsaconf find your sound card?
03:51<RIVE>Yes, it found it.
03:51<Eulex>did you perform step 2) =
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03:52<xxxxx>Elulex: thx i'll look it up.
03:52<RIVE>I'm already in the audio group.
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03:53<Eulex>odd then
03:54<RIVE>MOre info... yerterday I install Ubuntu 7.10 in this laptop and the sound did't work athier i fix it with a paqueckage fro a back port
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03:55<RIVE>I don want ubuntu in this laptop so i install Deian lenny.
03:57<Eulex>with what package?
03:57<RIVE>Allowme a moment.
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04:00<gsimmons>RIVE: It appears the sound chipset in your laptop (82801H) requires a recent version of ALSA (eg. 1.0.15) for it to operate.
04:00<RIVE>Can i compile it?
04:00<Eulex>I'd suggets upgrading your kernel
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04:02<RIVE>Can i do that fron apt-get (new kernel) or have to move to SID.
04:02<gsimmons>RIVE, Eulex: It would need to be a very recent kernel. ALSA 1.0.15 isn't in 2.6.23, it's slated for inclusion in 2.6.24.
04:02<Eulex> has 2.6.22 kernels for etch. though I don't know exactly what kernel you need.
04:02<Eulex>gsimmons, wow
04:02<Eulex>RIVE, time to compile it yourself then, I guess
04:03<RIVE>I'm using 2.6.22 in Sid, is the default.
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04:03<RIVE>Sorry, in Leny
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04:04<RIVE>2.6.22-2-686 more exactly
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04:06<shaun_nz>is there a command i can run in putty to confirm if I am using debian?
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04:06<gsimmons>!tell shaun_nz -about version
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04:09<travis>i don't need inetd or exim4 running if i'm not using any servers right? i tried apt-get remove exim4 and it still starts a service at startup.. or are these programs needed for something?
04:09<shaun_nz>cat /etc/debian_version returned 3.1 does that mean i am on debian 3.1? it wont be ubunto or anything?
04:09<lupine>shaun_nz: not necessarily
04:09<lupine>assuming your system is up to date, check the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:09<valdyn>shaun_nz: that file is only meaningful if you have a clean system.
04:10<lupine>travis: exim is used internally
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04:10<valdyn>travis: you need an mta most certainly, exim4 is the default.
04:10<lupine>you can remove it if you like (exim is just a metapackage - check what it Depends: and remove those too)
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04:10<lupine>might result in breakage though
04:11<lupine>shaun_nz: PM is awfully impolite
04:11<lupine>in a terminal, just "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
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04:11<shaun_nz>lupine sorry
04:11<travis>alright, i just had a log of a couple internet connection attempts to exim4, and my router blocks most traffic so i wouldn't know how they'd get that through
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04:12<valdyn>travis: you might have configured exim4 wrongly for your purpose
04:12<travis>it's default configuration, i think i read that it doesn't listen on the external interface
04:12<valdyn>travis: purpose = local mail only, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
04:12<lupine>it should be just bound to localhost
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04:13<valdyn>im not sure if debconf covers which interfaces to bind to
04:14<travis>dc_eximconfig_configtype='local' from the update.conf.conf file, so i guess i'm alright
04:14<shaun_nz>lupine the only other word in there apart from debian is sarge i presume this is the name of debian 3.1?
04:14<valdyn>travis: its ok as long as it will handle local mail only, not that important which interfaces it is binding to
04:14<xxxxx>i'm having problems with my X i went to ~/.xsession-errors and there was this: /etc/kde3/kdm/xsession: line 46: /etc/X11/Xsession no such file or directory . What can i do ?
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04:15<valdyn>xxxxx: install x11-common
04:16<lupine>shaun_nz: yep
04:16<lupine>so you can upgrade to etch if you like or leave it as-is
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04:17<xxxxx>valdyn: thats all ?
04:17<valdyn>xxxxx: maybe
04:18<xxxxx>valdyn: ok i'll try this
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04:18<xxxxx>valdyn: THX!!!
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04:19<cico>I am having a big problem in dist-upgrade of Debian. The big packages like openoffice-core are not downloading even after several "aptitude dist-upgrade" attempts. None of the mirrors succeed. All other packages are downloading. 900 MB of packages have been downloaded successfully. But the big packages with a total of 100 MB is not downloading.
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04:20<valdyn>cico: on which debian release?
04:20<valdyn>cico: run aptitude update again too, the package might have been upgraded again.
04:21<cico>valdyn: I am on Debian Etch. dist-upgrade-ing to Lenny.
04:22<valdyn>!info openoffice-core lenny
04:22<cico>sources.list contain these two lines:- (1) deb lenny main contrib non-free (2) deb lenny/updates main contrib
04:22<cico>I have tried replacing with,, but nothing works. everytime I have done aptitude update followed by aptitude dist-upgrade but still the big packages never download.
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04:22<valdyn>cico: which package exactly is this?
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04:23<cico>valdyn: all big packages, for example, openoffice-core
04:24<cico> lenny/main 2.2.1-10
04:24<valdyn>cico: i would try
04:24<valdyn>cico: i know there's issues with some debian servers right now, not exactly what it is though
04:24<cico>valdyn: and download all the .deb files manually?
04:24<valdyn>cico: and put into /var/cache/apt/archives/, yes
04:24<valdyn>cico: not all, just go see if that fixes anything
04:25<valdyn>cico: openoffice-core does not exist
04:25<cico>valdyn: yes, that would fix I know because the main problem is downloading of packages, I have downloaded some of them manually, but it is tiresome to download 100s of packages like that
04:25<valdyn>cico: maybe you mean
04:25<cico>valdyn: lenny/main 2.2.1-10
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04:27<valdyn>cico: sure its tiresome, the purpose is debugging, not makeing that your general way to get packages
04:27<cico>valdyn: yes manually downloading does work but how do I make aptitude do it?
04:28<valdyn> works fine
04:28<cico>valdyn: I think aptitude waits for a long time and then times out.
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04:28<valdyn>cico: are you using ftp or http ?
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04:29<Eulex><cico> lenny/main 2.2.1-10
04:29<valdyn>yea i noticed
04:30<valdyn>cico: define "manually downloading", what exactly is that? wget? firefox?
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04:31<cico>valdyn: firefox
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04:31<valdyn>cico: maybe there'S a proxy involved.
04:31<valdyn>cico: did you set one in firefox?
04:31<cico>valdyn: yes, there is a proxy server between me and the mirrors.
04:31<cico>valdyn: yes, both for firefox and http_proxy in the shell.
04:32<valdyn>cico: http_proxy="" aptitutde dist-upgrade
04:32<valdyn>cico: http_proxy="" aptitude dist-upgrade
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04:41<xxxxx>valdyn: i tryed to install x11-common but it said that i have the newest version so can i reinstall it or sth or i got ti remove it and install it again? will i loose all my data in stored in X (video drivers,...)?
04:46<valdyn>xxxxx: does /etc/X11/Xsession exist?
04:46<xxxxx>valdyn: i think not
04:46<valdyn>xxxxx: umm, why dont you look
04:46<xxxxx>valdyn: i may have deleted it :)
04:47<valdyn>xxxxx: i cant use that vague information, is it there_
04:47<valdyn>xxxxx: i cant use that vague information, is it there?
04:47<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
04:49<xxxxx>valdyn: i gotta restart comp. and look again :D brb
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04:56<xxxxx>valdyn: in /etc/X11/ there is no Xsession
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04:59<xxxxx>valdyn: what now ?
04:59<SUPERSLADAK>hello all what is this unswap ?
04:59<SUPERSLADAK>Debian 4.0 r1
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05:00<SUPERSLADAK>i have not problem with 4.0.r0
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05:02<cico>is there anyone from here speaking at conference?
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05:03<valdyn>xxxxx: /msg dpkg confmiss
05:05<xxxxx>valdyn: so the package i have to reinstal is x11-common and everything will be ok ? and all my date will be gone ?
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05:08<valdyn>xxxxx: no data will be gone
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05:13<xxxxx>valdyn: just to be clear what command i have to use: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common ???
05:13<valdyn>xxxxx: yes
05:14<xxxxx>valdyn: ok thx for now :)
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05:26<xxxxx>valdyn: entered that command and i gor: E: Option DPKg::Options::--force-confmiss: Configuration item specifikation must have an =<val> What have i done wrong ?
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05:40<valdyn>xxxxx: :: is not the same as =
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05:42<xxxxx>valdyn: then i gotta enter this command: apt-get -o DPKg=Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common
05:43<valdyn>xxxxx: yes
05:43<valdyn>xxxxx: use cut and paste.
05:43<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
05:43<xxxxx>look there is ::
05:44<xxxxx>i entered the same shit
05:44<valdyn>xxxxx: why dont you use cut & paste ?
05:45<xxxxx>now i'm in win xp :D
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05:45<valdyn>xxxxx: it works fine, just cut & paste
05:45<xxxxx>ok i'll try that :D
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05:59<andrej>valdyn: now i know what did i do wrong i was working in single-user mode... now i went to normal and it worked !!! thx!!!
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06:12<cico>I was doing dist-upgrade. aptitude was downloading: lenny/main 2.2.1-10 [35.4MB], after 28 MB was downloaded, I lost connection, aptitude has left that package as "connection timed out" and started downloading the remaining packages. Now how can I make aptitude download the remaining part *only* of that package?
06:13<cico>I am doing "aptitude dist-upgrade" from command line, is it possible to make it start downloading the complete 35 MB or only the last 7 MB which it failed to download?
06:13<cico>I mean not the complete 35 MB and only the last 7 MB.
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06:22<gsimmons>cico: aptitude and apt-get will resume from any partially downloaded packages stored within /var/cache/apt/archives/partial.
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06:23<cico>gsimmons: ok
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06:24<cusco>meaning you can just resume the upgrade procedure by downloading ONLY the rest of them packages
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06:55<siebertm>hello there
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06:57<siebertm>i have problem installing mysql-server on etch. invoke-rc script fails to start mysql-server and syslog says mysqladmin does a segfault. does anybody know anything about that behaviour?
06:57<ifvoid>siebertm: hmm, that's not supposed to happen
06:57<siebertm>and now i cant reconfigure, remove, purge delete nothing :(
06:57<ifvoid>do you have any databses already?
06:58<cusco>yea.. it looks rather cruel
06:58<ifvoid>you can't purge it?
06:58<siebertm>no. minimal install
06:58<ifvoid>could you try running mysqladmin by hand?
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06:58<ifvoid>maybe a disk is full?
06:58<ifvoid>are /proc, /dev/, /tmp correctly mounted?
06:58<siebertm> mysqladmin[16548]: segfault at b81eb864 eip b7fc3cc2 esp bf99e1fc error 4 (if that helps)
06:59<ifvoid>could you paste the last part of the output of strace mysqladmin to
06:59<siebertm>disks are empty, pseudo-fs are ok
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07:00<siebertm>i'll do
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07:01<ifvoid>hmm, curious
07:02<ifvoid>nothing weird there afaics
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07:02<ifvoid>siebertm: oh, hold on
07:02<ifvoid>siebertm: what kind of machine is it?
07:03<ifvoid>64 bit os?
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07:03<siebertm>uname -a says i686
07:03<siebertm>or how do i find that out?
07:04<Eulex>siebertm, are you sure that your ram is not broken?
07:04<ifvoid>dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU
07:04<siebertm>the thing is that i have two similar machines (installed earlier) and everything is fine
07:04<ifvoid>siebertm: that does point to hardware failure then indeed
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07:05<ifvoid>try running memtest86+
07:05<siebertm>ifvoid: i dont have dpkg-architecture
07:05<ifvoid>to make sure your memory is ok
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07:05<siebertm>its a hosted server ...
07:05<ifvoid>oh, it's in dpkg-dev
07:05<ifvoid>siebertm: oh
07:05<Eulex>siebertm, uname -a will do
07:06<Eulex>siebertm, you installed the same version of debian?
07:06<siebertm>they did it :)
07:06<siebertm>but its etch minimal
07:06<ifvoid>well, they obviously did somethign wrong then
07:06<ifvoid>can't you ask them to fix it?
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07:06<siebertm>any idea how to purge mysql-server?
07:07<ifvoid>siebertm: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.prerm
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07:07<ifvoid>siebertm: and remoev the calls to mysqladmin
07:08<ifvoid>or dpkg --force-depends --purge mysql-client
07:08<ifvoid>and then dpkg --purge mysql-server
07:09<siebertm>dpkg says mysql-server is not installed
07:09<dpkg>okay, siebertm
07:09<Eulex>dpkg, forget dpkg says mysql-server
07:09<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'dpkg says mysql-server' to forget, Eulex
07:09<ifvoid>well, whatever your particular evrsion is\
07:09<ifvoid>probably mysql-server-5.0 or so
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07:09<Eulex>dpkg, forget says mysql-server
07:09<dpkg>Eulex: i forgot says mysql-server
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07:13<siebertm>btw, mysql does segfault, too
07:14<r1Nu>how are you guys?
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07:16<siebertm>now i edited the scripts (postinst and prerm), apt-get does not complain but now it says that mysql-server is not installed. but it is :)
07:17<siebertm>ifvoid: so you think its broken ram?
07:18<ifvoid>siebertm: I don't know
07:19<ifvoid>siebertm: I rather suspenct something whent wrong while installing your system
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07:19<ifvoid>siebertm: couldn't you just ask to reinstall ir for you?
07:19<ifvoid>siebertm: well, it's probably mysql-server-.50 or soemthing like that
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07:20<siebertm>yes... i'll just ask them...
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07:23<siebertm>ok then, tank yu guys
07:23<siebertm>see ya
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07:25<Verci[ITA]>xdcc://Uragano/|01/#0025/Barbie.E.La.Magia.Di.Pegaso.2005.iTALIAN.DvDRip.XviD-TND.avi/msg TnD|01 xdcc send
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07:25<andrej>my adobe flash player doesent want to go fullscreen does anyone knows what's the problem ?
07:25<ifvoid>andrej: not sure if that is supported on linux
07:26<andrej>i'm playin' in iceweasel
07:26<ifvoid>never seen it working, at least
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07:26<andrej>ifvoid: the button is there ... and works in windows xp ...
07:26<andrej>to bad ...
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07:30<andrej>has anyone try to "fix" full screen mode in adobe flash player in iceweasel?
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07:41<skanarchy>hi !
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07:45<vook>andrej: whaddya mean "fix"
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07:46<andrej>vook if i push the button for full screen doesen't work :D
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07:46<andrej>vook: works for you ?
07:46<vook>I generally just use xvidtune to change the resolution really quickly
07:47<andrej>vook: xvidtune for adobe flash player - live stream ?????
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07:48<vook>andrej: sure - it won't be true full screen, but essentially it'll look just fine
07:48<Eulex>andrej, fix something that is closed source?
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07:49<vook>just set up your xorg.conf file to have a few smaller modes, then create a couple of links on your desktop (to xvidtune -prev and xvidtune -next)
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07:50<andrej>Eulex: there must be a problem with iceweasel/debian/kde not player because in xp it works :):)
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07:50<andrej>i dont know i'm just na n00b :D
07:51<ifvoid>andrej: as I told you already, I don;t think flash on linxu supports full screen
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07:51<Eulex>andrej, it's _not_ exactly the same software that is running on windows and linux.
07:51<andrej>its flash...
07:51<ifvoid>andrej: no, it's the flash _player_
07:51<ifvoid>andrej: which is different on linx and windows
07:52<andrej>i'll pray for update ! :D
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07:53<vook>andrej: just set up xvidtune, really - you can then scroll the mouse around to the video so that it takes up the whole screen.
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07:58<andrej>vook: thx for info ... but i must think about it :)
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08:15<mike>Hi! I need help. I have installed VirtualBox program, but when I try to execute virtual OS it ask me to "execute '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start' as root". But there is no such file. Why?
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08:15<Guest182> /msg [xDcC]-[GX]-[0030] XDCC SEND #4
08:15<bzed>no Guest182
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08:16[~]fxiny tar xvf solanum.tar.bz2
08:16<Maulkin>(they're lucky they're only on #debian, or it'd be a kline)
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08:17<travis>whois [xDcC]-[GX]-[0030]
08:18<travis>i didn't think this was a warez server
08:18<Maulkin>travis: it's not.
08:18<bzed>Maulkin: that can be bad in #debian - enough OFTC staff sits in this channel ;)
08:18<Maulkin>bzed: you'd be suprised how many people do it in #oftc too
08:19<abrotman>When ries comes back online and dak runs, won't it have been 2-10 days for almost everything?
08:19<Maulkin>britney may have... issues, yes
08:19<bzed>Maulkin: I guess that's just a dumb implementation of their spam-scripts
08:20<abrotman>may have? have you seen the crap that girl does?
08:20<mike>Is anybody able to help me?
08:20<Maulkin>abrotman: I have my patches in dak. So yes :)
08:21<abrotman>i was just wondering ... i realize some things still have RC bugs, etc .. but i figured that it'd be a huge pile of packages going from sid to lenny
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09:53<krisje8>Hi all, I just installed Debian 4 Testing, and my first tought was: what the hell happened to KDE and GRUB? My mbr was all messed up, and I finally managed to boot windows now, but still, where is KDE (and my beloved Konqueror) ? On an other pc I had Debian 3.1 which upgraded to 4 now and that one still ahs KDE, so I tought this one also would have, but no.. Where can I find a 'proper' install image where I can choose to use grub and kde?
09:54<witte>krisje8: grub and kde are unrelated
09:54<witte>krisje8: kde is not installed by default, but apt-get install kde should work
09:54<krisje8>I know, but they were standard on 3.1
09:54<witte>krisje8: on a netinstall?
09:54<witte>krisje8: could be, don't know that
09:55<krisje8>with the 3.1 I got both gnome and kde (and grub)
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09:55<witte>krisje8: in any case, if you select "desktop", it gets gnome
09:55<krisje8>and in 3.1 it also got kde
09:55<witte>krisje8: grub should be installed by default though
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09:55<krisje8>i got some sort of lilo
09:55<fxiny>etch cd #2 installs kde
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09:56<avtobiff_>hehe "some sort of lilo" :-)
09:56<krisje8>etch cd 2? I got debian 4 testing netinst
09:56<witte>krisje8: kde is in standard debian, but it does not install automatically
09:56<witte>krisje8: do you really expect that kde fits on a 150 MB disk?
09:56<krisje8>no but it gets it all from the internet
09:57<krisje8>gnome wouldn't fit either
09:57<azizan_>where is the default location for the application installed?
09:57<witte>krisje8: well, someone made the choise that kde would not be the default...
09:57<avtobiff_>azizan_, depends. /usr/bin
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09:58<krisje8>and if i do apt-et install kde, i got the whole kde? with konqueror and the games and kpackage and all?
09:58<avtobiff>azizan_, /usr/bin for programs that users can use usually. /usr/sbin for admin-bins /bin and /sbin for essential bins
09:58<dpkg>kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>
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09:58<krisje8>!install kde
09:58<dpkg>install kde is probably In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. To install KDE during Debian installation, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt (only possible if KDE packages are actually available, see section of the <installation guide>).
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09:59<azizan_>sorry, i mean the configuration file.. for example, if i installed firefox or something like that, where is the location for its file and pictures
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09:59<markjames>when using the command line, how do I page up?
09:59<fxiny>!install kde
09:59<dpkg>i heard install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. To install KDE during Debian installation, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt (only possible if KDE packages are actually available, see section of the <installation guide>).
09:59<avtobiff>azeem, try the dpkg -l package
09:59<avtobiff>azeem, sorry. that should be dpkg -L package to list its files
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10:00<krisje8>ok, i'll try to install kde soon, but how do i get grub? or at least a lilo with a menu so i can choose?
10:00<avtobiff>markjames, pgup
10:00<avtobiff>markjames, or shift+pgup
10:00<JasonS>markjames: pgup
10:00<markjames>shift+pgup doesnt work
10:00<avtobiff>markjames, do you use screen or something?
10:00<markjames>pgup gives me a ~ at the prompt
10:00<markjames>avtobiff, I am physically at the machine
10:01<markjames>on a monitor
10:01<cusco>that would depend on your tty woudln't it now?
10:01<markjames>its smoothwall
10:01<markjames>using bash shell
10:02<krisje8>sorry to interrupt, but how do i install grub, or get a lilo with a menu so i can choose what to boot?
10:02<dpkg>[grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see For an install guide see, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>.
10:02<cusco>krisje8: perhaps apt-get install
10:03<krisje8>and it won't conflict with lilo?
10:03<witte>krisje8: why do you think you have lilo?
10:03<krisje8>i have no idea actually
10:04<witte>krisje8: normal debian install gives grub, and i am not even sure if you can choose to install lilo
10:04<witte>that is from a netinstall
10:04<krisje8>i used a testing netinst from yesterday
10:04<krisje8>nothing abnormal about that
10:04<witte>so, you should have gotten a grub install...
10:05<krisje8>but i didn't (and I'm sure because it says lilo while bootingg :) and i needed to edit /etc/lilo.conf to get windows back)
10:05<cusco>you can choose lilo from netinstall yes
10:05<krisje8>i didn't 'choose' it? it just installed it
10:05<krisje8>i was never asked about lilo or grub
10:05<krisje8>just where to install it (mbr)
10:08<krisje8>I don't dislike lilo or anything, but at at the moment it doesn't let me choose which os to boot, and that's kind of annoying
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10:08<krisje8>if I can get a menu in lilo or something like that, that would be ok too
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10:08<witte>krisje8: just install grub, and configure it
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10:09<krisje8>apt-get install grub?
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10:09<witte>krisje8: jes
10:09<krisje8>and configure how...? /etc/grub.conf or something like that? (I always used a tool called 'Boot' but it isn't in debian anymore...)
10:10<cusco>its in /boot/grub/menu.lst
10:10<witte>krisje8: normally that should be autoconfigured
10:10<witte>krisje8: but you should check it
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10:11<krisje8>ok, thankyou i'll try it (on windows now, so i need to get in linux somehow :| )
10:11<krisje8>bye all (en bedankt he witte)
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10:22<JasonS>and gloom?
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10:24<rkos>ok so
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10:24<rkos>my libfreetype is somehow incompatible with my zlib
10:24<rkos>so what do i do
10:25<azeem>try to quote some errors or so on a pastebin
10:26<azeem>rkos: are you running unstable?
10:26<rkos>and some unstable packages i think?
10:27<Eulex>as I said yesterday, make sure that those packages are from the same release of debian...
10:28<azeem>what does dpkg -l zlib1g-dev say?
10:28<rkos>ii zlib1g-dev 1: compression library - development
10:29<azeem>rkos: try "COLUMNS=1000 dpkg -l zlib1g-dev | tail -1"
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10:29<rkos>well i get pretty much the same
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10:30<rkos>just in a different form
10:31<azeem>the interesting part is the version, which got cropped above
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10:31<rkos>oh thats the 1:
10:31<azeem>if it's still not more than that, increase COLUMNS
10:31<azeem>try to install -7 from unstable then
10:31<rkos>how do i do that?
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10:32<azeem>16:23 < rkos> and some unstable packages i think?
10:32<azeem>same way you managed before
10:32<rkos>hmm yeah there was some command, ill try to fetch it
10:33<azeem>rkos: what does "file /usr/lib/" say?
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10:34<rkos>symbolic link to
10:34<azeem>rkos: and what does "file /usr/lib/libz.a" say?
10:35<rkos>current ar archive
10:36<rkos>/usr/lib/ ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
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10:36<azeem>rkos: maybe try to reinstall zlib1g-dev first
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10:37<rkos>apt-get -t unstable install zliblg-dev <- i tried that but it didnt find the package
10:38<rkos>so do i try something other than zliblg-dev or what?
10:38<blarson>rkos: It's a one not an L
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10:39<rkos>azeem, done, now what?
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10:40<azeem>try again?
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10:40<Gryfelhase>hi. I compile a programm, that wants to run ioctl
10:41<Gryfelhase>to use
10:41<Gryfelhase>how can I detect, if my system uses this (for cdroms)
10:41<Gryfelhase>I'm suing etch
10:41<krisje8>Hi again, I have KDE now and it works ! Thank you! (Oh and I figured out how lilo works :p)
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10:43<krisje8>But I do have an other question; when I shut debian down, It fails to deactivate the lvm partitions... It's not like it messes up my system, I just see Failed, and it shuts down nicely... But is this ok?
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10:49<blarson>krisje8: If root is on lvm, lvm can't be shut down cleanly.
10:49<Titanous>I'm looking to upgrade from Etch to Lenny. I am running in a Xen VPS with a fresh install. The issue is that my provider says that pygrub isn't compatible with debian therefore, I can't upgrade the kernel. How do I prevent apt form upgrading the kernel? Is this possible/ok?
10:50<blarson>krisje8: the status can't be written after the lvm is shut down
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10:54<rkos>azeem, i did configure again but i get the same error
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10:57<riboflavin>i tried to issue command apt-get install xfce4 and for several minutes, it shows errors... is it because my source is not up to date?
10:57<riboflavin>if im not mistaken, it get the source from my DVD
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11:08<Titanous>can anyone help me?
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11:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:24<asdf>I have a Problem with my ATI Radeon X1300;I'm runing Debian Etch 4.0; I seearch a Tutorial for fglrx install... Who and how i can made it?
11:24<Titanous>I'm looking to upgrade from Etch to Lenny. I am running in a Xen VPS with a fresh install. The issue is that my provider says that pygrub isn't compatible with debian therefore, I can't upgrade the kernel. How do I prevent apt form upgrading the kernel? Is this possible/ok?
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11:26<the-dude>Titanous: put the kernel package on hold
11:27<Titanous>the-dude, how?
11:28<the-dude> 6.12
11:29<the-dude>no worries
11:30<the-dude>Titanous: after you put it on hold try a apt-get dist-upgrade -s
11:32<riboflavin>if i want the apt-get to install and get the source from the website, i need to uncomment it at source.list right?
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11:33<the-dude>riboflavin: yeah uncomment it or add a line
11:33<riboflavin>ok thanks
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11:36<Titanous>the-dude, I don't see a xen kernel, kernel or linux-image package in the selections
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11:37<the-dude>Titanous: which selections?
11:38<Titanous>the-dude, dpkg --get-selections
11:38<Titanous>thta's what is says to do
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11:38<asdf>I have a Problem with my ATI Radeon X1300;I'm runing Debian Etch 4.0; I seearch a Tutorial for fglrx install... Who and how i can made it?
11:39<the-dude>are you running a xen domu?
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11:40<the-dude>asdf: try module-assistent
11:40<Titanous>the-dude, not sure, It's a Xen VPS from a VPS provider
11:41<the-dude>what does uname -a say?
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11:42<Titanous>Linux ******.********.com 2.6.18-4-xen-686 #1 SMP Thu May 10 03:24:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:43<the-dude>Titanous: oh don't worry about the kernel just upgrade it
11:43<asdf>bash: module-assistent: command not found
11:44<Titanous>the-dude, I was told by my provider that pygrub wouldn't work, and it would break the VPS (not be able to boot)
11:44<the-dude>asdf: apt-get install module-assistant
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11:45<the-dude>Titanous: what does dpkg --get-selections|grep linux say
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11:45<Titanous>libselinux1 install
11:45<Titanous>util-linux install
11:45<victor>hi, is anybody free? I need some help with downloading Debian.
11:45<asdf> apt-get install module-assistent
11:45<asdf>Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
11:45<asdf>Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig
11:45<asdf>E: Konnte Paket module-assistent nicht finden
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11:46<user01>how do i write to my flash disk i just mounted as root? it wont let me copy as user
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11:46<asdf>not found package
11:46<the-dude>Titanous: dom0(your hoster) is running and providing your kernel so I don't understand why it will break if you upgrade
11:47<the-dude>asdf: it is module-assistant and not module-assistent
11:47<Titanous>the-dude, will it try to upgrade the kernel?
11:47<Titanous>if not, I agree with you
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11:48<the-dude>Titanous: dpkg --get-selections didn't show a kernel right ?
11:48<asdf>mean you fglrx Kernel ??
11:49<victor>Hello, could anyone help me?
11:49<the-dude>Titanous: perhaps paste your output of apt-get dist-upgrade -s to a pastbin or so
11:49<victor>I am a window user and I am considering switching to debian.
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11:50<the-dude>victor: don't consider it just try it :)
11:50<victor>there are just so many images there and I don't know which to download.
11:51<the-dude>victor: just download cd1 and install the base-system, otherwise try the suggestion form witte
11:51<witte>victor: you want the i368 ir the amd64 netinsall of the stable version
11:51<Titanous>the-dude, do I just change all instances of etch in sources.list to lenny?
11:52<user01>i368? missed that release :)
11:52<the-dude>Titanous: depands on what is in ytour sources.list but most likely yes :)
11:52<victor>my laptop is a ibm thinkpad a30.
11:52<user01>thinkpads are good for debian :)
11:52<victor>do you think i368 will be ok for it.
11:53<user01>eh try i386
11:53<user01>that is better
11:53<victor>cd1, right?
11:53<the-dude>victor: yes
11:53<witte>cd1 or the netinstall, both would be ok
11:53<user01>if you have a good internet connection id do the netinstall
11:53<victor>I am in China.
11:54<victor>connection speed is 1.5m cable.
11:54<user01>victor, yes they have pretty good connections there
11:54<user01>then do net install
11:54<user01>victor, or download all the cds to share with your friends
11:55<user01>with a connection
11:56<Titanous>the-dude, no kernel, so no problems, correct?
11:56<victor>Thank you, guys.
11:56<victor>Blessings to you!
11:57<the-dude>Titanous: no don't see any problems
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11:57<Titanous>the-dude, thanks alot
11:58<the-dude>Titanous: does it have one or 2 nics ?
11:58<Titanous>the-dude, not sure, I have a bunch of IPs, but I assume they are all on the same interface
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11:58<user01>victor, this might be helpful:
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12:00<the-dude>Titanous: ok
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12:02<user01>do i have to redo permissions for my /media/usbflash folders for the user to read and write to it?
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12:03<Eulex>user01, what fs is on it?
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12:03<user01>Eulex, this disk is just vfat
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12:04<user01>Eulex, w32
12:04<Eulex>user01, vfat doesn't store owners.
12:04<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
12:05<Eulex>user01, instead, you set what group and user should own the files on it when you mount it, per the instructions above
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12:05<user01>Eulex, is there a wheel group like in openbsd?
12:06<Eulex>what do you want to do?
12:06<rkos>any idea how to set up tv on debian?
12:06<user01>Eulex, do you use sudo?
12:06<rkos>been looking around on google but haven't found any help
12:06<user01>Eulex, ive just been suing
12:06<Eulex>yes? but how is that related to your problem?
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12:07<user01>Eulex, its a second question
12:07<victor>hi, another question.
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12:07<victor>Can debian support chinese character displaying?
12:07<user01>victor, for install?
12:08<victor>Because I use Chinese often.
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12:08<victor>after install.
12:08<user01>victor, yes it can
12:08<user01>victor, at least i know it does arabic
12:08<user01>so i wouldnt doubt chinese
12:09<victor>How do copy the url in the chatbox?
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12:10<victor>thank you so much.
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12:11<user01>victor, no problem i havent tried it because i havent needed chinese characters, but it looks straightforward
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12:14<user01>Eulex, how do i make it so whatever user mounts the disk, they own it in fstab?
12:14<user01>Eulex, or plugs it in i should say?
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12:15<Eulex>user01, I don't know whether that's possible
12:15<Eulex>and well, how do you know 'which user' plugged it in?
12:15<cahoot>some udev rule editing?
12:17<user01>Eulex, i have it as umask=002 and it still says i dont have permission to write
12:18<user01>Eulex, never mind wrong device
12:18<Eulex>user01, and the owner group and user of the files are?
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12:21<user01>Eulex, this look alright?
12:21<user01>Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 0
12:22<Eulex>you need to set the owning group and user too. I'd suggest creating a group of all users you want to allow to write to it and making it own the files.
12:22<marsu>Hello... I know I'm not really in the right place to ask that, but if just one of you know the answer, I'd be stupid not to give it a try... Here's my "problem" : I'm using the software SAS at the university, and I have some work to do at home with it.. They're giving us student licenses, though... The software doesn't run on Linux ! It's available, it exists, but they don't have it... I can't achieve to find it on the internet though...
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12:23<Eulex>marsu, I can't seem to find a question in that long statement of yours
12:24<cahoot>clearly implied though
12:24<marsu>Eulex: easy enough : "do you know of a way to download SAS for Linux" ? I've got the license, not the program... :D
12:24<rkos>anyone here know anything about DVB?
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12:24<witte>marsu: send an email to sas directly, maybe they can help
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12:25<marsu>witte: do you think they'd send a CD to whoever asks them ? O_o
12:26<witte>marsu: you can't do anything without a license...
12:26<witte>marsu: alternatively, contact the sysadmins at your university
12:27<marsu>witte: I already did... I'm not sure he got what "linux" actually meant
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12:27<witte>marsu: a sysadmin at a university? I do not say they have to use it, but being ignorant of linux is strange
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12:28<witte>marsu: in any case, I do not think there is a "legal" way to get it
12:29<witte>that is without paying :-)
12:29<marsu>witte: I hope some of them do, but I went to ask this one with my teacher, and it's likely he's unable to help
12:30<rkos>how do i use dvb? anyone here know?
12:30<marsu>witte: I don't really care whether it's legal or not... If I have to download à cracked version to use it, I don't really care.. I have a license to use it, though if I use it without 'actually' telling it the number, I'm not gonna scream at the idea
12:31<user01>Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002 0 0
12:31<witte>marsu: :-), well, good luck with that
12:31<user01>Eulex, not working
12:31<Eulex>user01, if the user has uid 1000 and gid 1000: sure.
12:31<Eulex>user01, define 'not working'
12:31<user01>Eulex, yep they do
12:31<user01>Eulex, not writing . . .
12:32<Eulex>user01, several users can't have the same uid. they can be in the same group, though.
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12:32<Eulex>user01, you put all users you want to be able to write into the group with gid 1000?
12:33<user01>Eulex, that is the uid of this user, user01
12:33<Eulex>right, commonly the first user added to the system.
12:33<Eulex>but you said that you had several users?
12:34<user01>yes but . . . right now im trying to just get it to write for me
12:34<Eulex>oh. I think you missed a very important bit.
12:34<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
12:34<user01>Eulex, i did the eject command and put it back in and the same
12:34<marsu>witte: I may have found it on a chinese website... >_<
12:35<Eulex>oh, appears that you do not need to specify 'rw' for vfat partitions.
12:35<Eulex>user01, what are the permissions and owners of the files on the partition now?
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12:36<marsu>witte: missed -_-
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12:37<user01>Eulex, theyre all root
12:37<Eulex>user01, then you did something wrong. how are you mounting it?
12:38<Eulex>su doesn't mount
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12:38<user01>and then mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash
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12:39<Eulex>try just mount /media/usbflash
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12:42<user01>Eulex, thats working now thanks
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12:42<user01>Eulex, what was wrong with the other way?
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12:43<user01>Eulex, it was circumventing the fstab?
12:43<Eulex>user01, the way you did it, you passed custom options, making it ignore what was in fstab.
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12:44<user01>Eulex, ok so i could just keep the same user and then create a group with the system users . . . and change the gid
12:45<Eulex>user01, yes. I think there's a subtle difference between owning user and owning group, though. I have a vague memory that being in an owning group doesn't give you rights to delete.
12:45<user01>so what if another user that doesnt have root access wants to mount their drive?
12:46<Eulex>user01, if you setup your fstab so they're allowed to, they can just mount it.
12:46<user01>Eulex, but if the group has write permission why not?
12:46<Eulex>user01, I don't know. but check yourself, it's just a vague memory and it was a long time ago.
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12:49<user01>Eulex, so if i plug in another usb disk, say it is ext2 formatted . . . will it be identitfied as sda2 or sda1?
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12:50<Eulex>user01, sda2 and sda1 are partition device names. sda, sdb, sdc etc are disk device names.
12:50<victor>hi, guys, I'm back.
12:50<jae>Having had to replace my gfx card... what's the current correct way to auto-config X?
12:50<victor>I have looked up Debian live.
12:50<Eulex>jae, you don't autoconfig it, you:
12:50<Eulex>!drxx jae
12:50<dpkg>jae: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
12:50<user01>Eulex, because im not sure how labels are assigned in /dev
12:51<Eulex>user01, next free one is used.
12:51<victor>How does debian live work?
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12:51<victor>I want to try it.
12:51<jae>I did that, thinking it was the right way, but I don't get a correct config file :(
12:51<victor>so I can see if is debian is suitable for me.
12:52<user01>Eulex, i have a usb modem plugged in, how do i get that dev name?
12:52<jae>"Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen""
12:52<victor>Hello, the dude.
12:52<Eulex>eh. odd.
12:52<Eulex>jae, did you run it till the end and not cancel it while it was running?
12:53<Eulex>user01, take a look at your dmesg
12:53<jae>I ran it til the end... *sigh*
12:53<witte>victor: burn it on a cdrom, and boot from it
12:53<victor>Hello, user 01.
12:54<Eulex>you could always fix up the file, or run dpkg-reconfigure again and see if it... works this time :/
12:54<victor>Do I download debian live img or iso?
12:54<witte>the iso, and you burn it on a cdr
12:54<user01>victor, iso
12:55<victor>Can I use debian live from a usb stick?
12:55[~]jae is stupid
12:55<victor>I don't have a cd burner.
12:55<jae>I found the problem: I don't have the driver package installed :P
12:55<witte>victor: that should be possible if your system allows you to boot from usb
12:56<victor>so in that case which should choose, iso or img?
12:56<jae>I wondered why it only offered "ati" and "fglrx"... deleted the old file, thinking it might take them from there somehow
12:56<jae>Still only ati and fglrx, so... ah, yes, need that rage driver :P
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12:56<victor>so in that case which one should i choose, img or iso?
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12:57<jae>Hmm, but... isn't that *in* the -ati package?
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12:57<user01>victor, #debian-live
12:57<fxiny>victor: no cd burner ? you just want to see it ? install qemu and boot debian live from it
12:58<victor>debian live channel is empty.
12:58<Eulex>try it on freenode
12:58<victor>nobody is there.
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12:58<witte>fxiny: he is still on windows, and wants to see if he likes debian
12:58<victor>that's it.
12:58<fxiny>witte: oh : just come in :)
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12:59<fxiny>witte: if ?
12:59<panthera>victor: i really don't think it is empty.
12:59<fxiny>victor: everyone *love* debian : no need to try it ;)
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13:00<fxiny>wgt4-if-x ?
13:01<user01>Eulex, if i add a new group should i always add root to it?
13:01<Eulex>user01, no, why?
13:01<Eulex>user01, root is root. root has full permissions no matter what.
13:02<victor>oh, no, it's not empty.
13:02<user01>Eulex, mmm to give the root user
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13:02<victor>Thank you all.
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13:03<fxiny>ahhh SAS ? i've missed it !
13:03<user01>Eulex, all i need to do is install sudo and then add my user to the group, right?
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13:04<Eulex>user01, what group?
13:05<user01>Eulex, there is a sudo group
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13:07<jae>Ah, back in business :)
13:07<Eulex>user01, I wouldn't recommend that. add the user(s) or group(s) through sudoers instead.
13:07<jae>I have no idea what dpkg-reconfigure thinks it *is* doing, but that xorg.conf it creates makes no real sense
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13:08<jae>Bug report? If I know what to report other than "it completely screws up"
13:08<fxiny>hmmm : look at this ftsab for a iomeaga: /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 , a normal user can mount it
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13:08<Eulex>jae, never seen it create invalid configs. did you install the drivers?
13:08<fxiny>i don't have a flash
13:09<Eulex>jae, are you on etch?
13:09<fxiny>a normal user mount it just by : mount /media/zip250
13:09<jae>I just had to copy a lot of stuff from my old config
13:09<jae>Nopes, unstable, but X is not fully up-to-date, maybe that's the prob
13:09<fxiny>ls /media/zip250
13:09<Eulex>yeah, update it firstly. also:
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13:09<Eulex>!btssmite jae
13:09[~]dpkg beats jae around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if jae is running Unstable
13:10<jae>But even not fully up-to-date, it shouldn't mess up like that
13:10<Eulex>you never know with unstable.
13:10<jae>I was stuck in fglrx hell for a bit
13:10<fxiny>i have this thing since woody and i remember i discovered iomega love for sda4 when checking a redhat , they had iomega drivers
13:11<jae>Oh, but "should I write a default Files section" and none is in xorg.conf? How do you even manage that w/o trying?
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13:11<fxiny>then they appeared on the official kernels later
13:12[~]jae is just so glad someone thinks he needs to be smote with the BTS :P
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13:12<Eulex>jae, xorg doesn't need a file section anymore, afaik.
13:13<fxiny>obviously same line on for a usb/sda1 cannot mount it , so i wonder why a user can mount on sda4
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13:14<Tuplad>I was planning to reinstall Debian because I pretty much f*d up, but I was thinking: I might switch to an other Distro ? I was thinking about Fedora 8 ... I'm a real newbie :p using linux for like 2-3 months
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13:15<witte>Tuplad: you are in #debian, nobody will advice you to go to another distro ;-)
13:16<fxiny>fetora ?
13:16<flub>Tuplad: explore the world, it's good for everyone
13:16<flub>witte: sorry, couldn't resist...
13:16<fxiny>i can laugh at will about fetora cause i really respect redhat
13:17<fxiny>but i do not run it :P
13:17<Tuplad>witte: fair enough
13:17<witte>Tuplad: you can try fedora, but debian is better, so you will come back :P
13:17<Tuplad>in what aspect ?
13:18<Tuplad>I was actually searching for a site that compares distros and stuff
13:18<witte>Tuplad: debian packaging is really superior
13:18<witte>Tuplad: and debian is more stable
13:18[~]jae is so glad he knows how to configure X manually too...
13:18<fxiny>are you after the new default sound daemon ?
13:18<Tuplad>in what way ? simplicity or amount of packages
13:18<cahoot>Tuplad: on you yourself can be a judge on the matter
13:18<flub>debian supports upgrades between releases too
13:19<Tuplad>flub: what's that ? :x
13:19<witte>Tuplad: I think both
13:19<Tuplad>cahoot: yes indeed, but I'd like to know what I can expect from a distro before I try it out
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13:19<Eulex>Tuplad, you don't need to reinstall when debian releases a new stable.
13:19<Tuplad>cahoot: because Slackware and FreeBSD did not went well as a first distro ^^
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13:19<flub>Tuplad: if RH releases fedora 9 they'll recommend you re-install. that's just ugly
13:19<Tuplad>Eulex: oooh, yea that is DARN nice!
13:19<Eulex>Tuplad, haha, I can believe that
13:20<Tuplad>Eulex: I couldn't even get X to work
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13:20<fxiny>freebsd is better then redhat
13:20<witte>Tuplad: fedora is also not that bad, I ran that before I ran debian, and I only migrated because a colleague told me about debian
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13:20<witte>Tuplad: and now i use debian for +/- 4 years
13:21<fxiny>yeahh redhat does its own things
13:21<fxiny>and shares
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13:21<fxiny>that's why i respect it . but i do not like it
13:21<Tuplad>my debian is just so bad :( I got the 700mb iso which has kde, installed it, switched to Gnome, removed a lot of packages manually and added a lot my self, then went from stable to sid then to lenny, so I'm kinda looking for new meat, suggestions and advices
13:21<Tuplad>fxiny: yeah, also a turn off for me is the ogg/mp3 thingie they have
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13:22<jae>Tuplad: what ogg/mp3 thingie?
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13:24<Tuplad>jae: yea, mp3 is not implented by default, you gotta download codecs, they prefer ogg more
13:24<fxiny>Tuplad: honestly i don0t know too much about what redhat does today . in the past redhat gave things , i don't forget it gave away buggy relases too like the zero ones
13:24<cahoot>damn oss junkies
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13:25<fxiny>7.0 still burns my a*
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13:25<Eulex>Tuplad, downgrading is not supported.
13:26<user01>Eulex, not sure how to setup user for sudo . . . ex: peter, %operator ALL= /sbin/, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/apps/
13:26<fxiny>back then i did not have assistance for installing potato so i had a go with redhat and freebsd : freebsd was much better
13:26<Tuplad>Eulex: yeah, I had to figure that out the hard way >_>
13:26<jae>Tuplad: oh, I *like* that... only ogg here anyway :)
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13:26<user01>Eulex, why does sbin have a / after it and the other directory doesnt?
13:26<Tuplad>jae: oh, ok :D
13:27<Eulex>user01, emh... the one who typed that typed it that way?
13:27<jae>mp3 is patented anyway, and those are enforced/enforceable in the US (decoders are patented too, actually)
13:27<user01>Eulex, it says Notice how the trailing slash (/) is required to specify a directory location
13:28<user01>Eulex, but /usr/sbin is one too
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13:28<Golfgeo>Hi all
13:29<Eulex>user01, might be a mistake.
13:30<Golfgeo>had a harddrive crap out on me today, can access some partitions, but others are to degraded to fsck. I know I can use dd_rescue but are there other opstion?
13:31<user01>Eulex, anyway if i do user01 ALL=(ALL) ALL that just makes the user the equilvalent of root right?
13:31<fxiny>very bad
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13:33<Eulex>user01, well yes, when he uses sudo. and he will need to input his password when he does so.
13:33<Golfgeo>btw for the moment I only need to recover one disk, so my plan is to tackle that one first
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13:48<Tuplad>switching to Fedora is not recommended ?
13:49<Tuplad>just stick with Debian
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14:03<amphi>Tuplad: what's fedora going to do for you (apart from raise your blood pressure ;) ?
14:03<avu>start a fancy X server just for my boot messages
14:04<avu>gotta love that!
14:04<Tuplad>amphi: no idea :p
14:05<amphi>Tuplad: maybe if you have hypotension ;)
14:05<fxiny>pulse(radio) it up
14:06<Tuplad>Debian isn't pretty enough for me I guess
14:06<sooperkuh>on the subject of hypotension: Is there any news on the recovery of ftp-master, or is she going to be ill for a long time?
14:06<amphi>Tuplad: you can make it as hideous as you like ;)
14:06<Tuplad>amphi: I couldn't get splashy to work *cry*
14:07<amphi>Tuplad: boot-splash? how often do you boot?
14:07<amphi>Tuplad: also, the boot messages can be _useful_
14:07<Tuplad>amphi: I boot ALOT
14:07<amphi>Tuplad: why?
14:07[~]fxiny sings for Tuplad "pretty vacant" : ohhhh so pretty ...
14:07<Tuplad>amphi: bot atleast like 5 times a day
14:07<Tuplad>I boot*
14:08<amphi>Tuplad: wtf? to coin a phrase
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14:09<Tuplad>atleast once a day hehe, I have to start it up ye know
14:09<Tuplad>then it might crash or something, and I don't know how to handle crashes yet, so I just reboot
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14:09<Tuplad>or if like, Opera or Iceweasel start acting up and won't start for an unknown reason, reboot
14:09<Maulkin>Tuplad: control + alt + backspace.
14:10<Maulkin>Try that before rebooting
14:10<Tuplad>what for ? :)
14:10<fxiny>opera ? icewilly ? all works fine here
14:10<Maulkin>It restarts your X server
14:10<Tuplad>I just did it, and nothing happened
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14:10<Maulkin>sooperkuh: it's underway, no eta for arrival yet
14:11<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
14:11<sooperkuh>thx maulkin ...
14:11<Tuplad>amphi: give me a break :D
14:11<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
14:11<sooperkuh>must suffer from a severe case of apt-get-itis, if i miss ftp-master after a few times downtime ; )
14:12<Maulkin>It is right though. You very rarely need to reboot
14:12<fxiny>ohh i like that "apt-get-itis" :)
14:13<fxiny>as the french say : i am "aptitudinaire"
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14:13<Tuplad>Maulkin: *I* need to reboot NOW, because for an unknown reason Opera just closed and it won't start again, checked processes it's not there
14:13<user01>how do i allow a user to mount a flashdisk with root permission?
14:13<Maulkin>Tuplad: what do you get when you run it from a terminal?
14:13<sooperkuh>hehe ... maybe I should switch to constantly rebooting in the meantime ; )
14:13<Maulkin>Did ctrl+alt+backspace work?
14:14<Tuplad>Maulkin: it's Russian but I'll try to translate: Error segmenting
14:14<Tuplad>or something like that ;)
14:14<Maulkin>(oh and I should point out that we can't support opera. It can do random things, and as it's closed source, we can't fix it)
14:14<Tuplad>Maulkin: no
14:14<Maulkin>Ahh, Segmentation error.
14:14<Maulkin>Is it only opera that does that?
14:14<Tuplad>Maulkin: o wait, backspace, not spacebar >_<
14:14<fxiny>user01: with root permissions ? isn't rw enough ?
14:14<Tuplad>Maulkin: had it with epiphany and iceweasel too, before
14:14<Tuplad>Maulkin: had it with rhythmbox, exaile, amarok
14:15<Maulkin>Tuplad: right, this sounds like your ram is broken
14:15<Tuplad>I'll throw this trash out of the window somewhen ;) and get a good computer
14:15<Maulkin>Tuplad: go to, download the CD, and boot from it
14:15<Maulkin>Run all the tests and that will tell you.
14:15<Tuplad>oh, I remember that program :o
14:15<Tuplad>will def. do it
14:16<Maulkin>If not that, it could be another part of the system, but most likely ram
14:16<Tuplad>Download - Linux Memtest86 v3.3 Source and binary Package ?
14:16<sooperkuh>I think is better
14:16<user01>fxiny, meant how to set it up so that a user could mount their disk without root permission
14:16<Maulkin>Tuplad: Iso images
14:17<Tuplad>Maulkin: ah, I found it :)
14:17<Tuplad>Maulkin: Download - Pre-Compiled Bootable ISO (.gz) do I need to decompress it first ?
14:18<Tuplad>ah, was just making sure
14:18<fxiny>user01: using sudo ? run visudo and add something like /usr/bin/mount , man sudo
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14:18<Tuplad>Maulkin: I'll do it today ;) thanks for the wisdom
14:18<valdyn>or just give out the root password directly
14:18<valdyn>not like that makes a difference
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14:19<user01>is it ok to just do umount /media/xxxx
14:19<valdyn>or make root passwordless ( no, im not serious, all those suggstions are evil )
14:19<user01>or do i need to do eject too?
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14:19<fxiny>user01: i don't use sudo but i remember there is a NOPASSWD option too
14:20<Tuplad>Maulkin: hmmm, tried ctrl alt backspace, opera still wont start
14:20<valdyn>fxiny: that's such a horribly evil suggestion
14:20<user01>fxiny, yep . . .
14:20<fxiny>valdyn: :)
14:20<Maulkin>Tuplad: still sounds like ram then
14:20<valdyn>user01: seriously, making root passwordless is just as safe
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14:20<user01>fxiny, maybe i could just put it on the root line then people could just run as root
14:20<fxiny>valdyn: i'll tell him to run a vserver like i do :)
14:20<Tuplad>thanks for the wisdom, I'm out now ;)
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14:21<user01>valdyn, i think windows was like that at one time
14:22<valdyn>user01: it also was not a multi user os at some point.
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14:23<user01>is it safe to remove usbdisk after only umount or do you also have to do eject?
14:23<fxiny>valdyn: i was blabbing later on about iomega/sda4 usb zip : a user can mount it
14:23<valdyn>user01: just unmount
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14:23<Eulex>user01, you do not need to mess with sudo to enable users to mount stuff
14:23<valdyn>fxiny: that doesnt mean that a user should have access to mount running with root permissions
14:24<user01>Eulex, how will they be able to mount then?
14:24<Eulex>user01, just add the 'user' option to the partition in fstab.
14:25<valdyn>and a mask or noexec or whatever will disable mounting a filesystem with active suid root binaries
14:25<fxiny>valdyn: i know , but somehow those iomega drivers which i compiled on a a redhat box are ok
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14:25<user01>Eulex, does it matter in the order? mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/usbflash
14:26<valdyn>user01: why dont you use an automounter?
14:26<Eulex>user01, no. what command are you running?
14:26<valdyn>user01: those are safe for such things, and made for such things...
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14:27<user01>Eulex, ok there it goes now
14:27<fxiny>i don't use it anymore but i keep fstab entries on this woody2sarge2etch box . i've checked again before . fstab > /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
14:27<Xenguy>Hi - my brain went on vacation, and I'm trying to get output on my hard drive specs without having to power down. Is there a command-line way?
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14:28<Eulex>Xenguy, lspci?
14:28<witte>Xenguy: hdparm or smartmontools
14:28<fxiny>as a user i can mount the usb just by running : mount /media/zip250
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14:28<Eulex>Xenguy, think you misunderstood him
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14:28<valdyn>Xenguy: man hdparm
14:29<Xenguy>Eulex: lspci gave me output, but I was having trouble identifying the hard drive line
14:29<user01>Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002
14:29<fxiny>no idea why iomega still use sda4
14:29<user01>Eulex, that works
14:29<Xenguy>witte: thanks, I'll have a look
14:29<Eulex>Xenguy, lshw? free? cat /proc/cpuinfo?
14:29<Eulex>ah, no sorry
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14:29<Eulex>I read 'hardware specs'. silly me.
14:30<Xenguy>Eulex: HD brand/model/etc.
14:30<sooperkuh>hdparm -i does it for me
14:30<Xenguy>sooperkuh: tx, I'll try
14:31<Guest207>how I can install a Live CD To HDD of NEMESIS KNOPPIX???
14:31<fxiny>user01: if you want to mount as root giving user(1000) permisions run as root : mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/point -o defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002
14:31<valdyn>Guest207: wrong channel.
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14:32<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
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14:33<user01>weird that if another user is in the flash directory you cant unmount it
14:34<fxiny>of course : device busy
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14:36<sooperkuh>user01: try wall "all out of my usb stick" ; )
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14:38<user01>blah ok i just put in another disk and it is calling it sda like the last one
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14:41<vins>hi, is there anyone here who could help me to solve a problem with x servor configuration ?
14:41<vins>on a debian
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14:42<amphi>!drxx vins
14:42<dpkg>vins: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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14:42<Eulex>vins, you can also consider reading the logs.
14:43<vins>thank you for help ! (I'm french so sorry for language errors)
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14:44<vins>My x servor is configured but when I've developped a SDL basic code and execute it, I obtain lags
14:44<vins>I try with the game supertux and I've got theses lags too
14:44<Eulex>vins, what Xorg driver are you using?
14:45<vins>nvidia drivers for my quadro 1600M
14:45<Eulex>the proprietary ones?
14:46<vins>euh yes I think, I've found it on the nvidia website
14:46<Eulex>so you have 3d acceleration?
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14:47<vins>I've not tried to launch 3d programs
14:48<Eulex>vins, glxinfo|grep direct
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14:48<vins>command not found
14:49<user01>ok how do i distinguish between two different flash disks in fstab if linux assigns them both /dev/sda ?
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14:49<Eulex>user01, it doesn't. /dev/sda is _one_ disk.
14:49<user01>can i add two lines for sda1?
14:49<witte>user01: you should look at udev
14:50<lupine_85>you can have an extended partition, which can hold logical partitions
14:50<lupine_85>or you could switch to LVM
14:50<Eulex>vins, mesa-utils
14:50<witte>there you can specify which devices gets which /dev/sdX
14:50<lupine_85>neither of which are easy to do if the hard disc is chock-full alreadfy
14:50<Eulex>user01, ah, you mean that way... not at the same time
14:50<user01>Eulex, yep
14:50<user01>Eulex, unmount one and put in the other
14:50<Xenguy>witte: smartctl looks great (hdparm looked too scary to me)
14:51<vins>direct rendering: Yes
14:51<lupine_85>user01: by uuid or something similar
14:51<Eulex>lupine_85, yes, where are those special devices now again?
14:51<Eulex>user01, /dev/disk/by-uuid/
14:52<nowhere_man>I'm unsuccessfully tring to setup mailman:
14:52<nowhere_man>I did "sudo newlist mailman $OWNER_EMAIL $OWNER_PASSWD"
14:52<Eulex>user01, the uuid of a disk won't change
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14:52<nowhere_man>Bad owner email address: mailman@(none). Owner addresses need to be fully-qualified names, like "", not just "owner".
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14:52<nowhere_man>I swapped the list name and owner email, just to try, and instead of mailman@(none), there was xxxx@(none) where xxxx is the part of the email before @
14:53<nowhere_man>adding the -e or -u arguments did not change anything
14:53<user01>Eulex, how do i get the by-uuid part?
14:53<Eulex>user01, plug it in, the disk will appear in that directory.
14:53<Eulex>user01, to map them to sdxN values, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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14:55<vins>Any idea for my servor x problem ? :)
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14:58<user01>ok so . . . instead of the dev/sda1 in fstab i put dev/disk/by-uuid/number ?
14:59<Eulex>user01, yes.
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14:59<user01>cool . . .
14:59<user01>let me see if it works
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14:59<vins>I've made a short program which move a bmp image with the mouse. If I do some rapid circles with my mouse, I obtain slowing each 3 seconds (approximately).
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15:01<user01>Eulex, i have to put it before the general /dev/sda1 statement though right?
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15:04<Eulex>user01, emh, no. instead of.
15:06<vins>can you tell me what is !drxx
15:06<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
15:06<lupine_85>so, I'm unable to use `su' from my user account - it says 'setgid: operation not permitted', but i can log into root from a getty just fine. Anyone have any idea how to fix su ?
15:06<Eulex>feel free to /msg the bot, though?
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15:07<user01>Eulex, but what about other flashdisk I just pop in?
15:07<vins>dpkg : thanks for you help but I would like to now why I obtain lags
15:07<dpkg>de nada, vins
15:07<fxiny>lupine_85: pam/wheel ?
15:07<Eulex>user01, you should use some automounter solution.
15:07<nowhere_man>lupine_85: I bet the su binary is not installed with the proper permissions, or it could be SELinux
15:08<user01>Eulex, automounting stopped working in gnome for some reason
15:08<lupine_85>no selinux installed, su has "-rwxr-xr-x" permissions, and I thought the wheel account was deprecated?
15:08<sooperkuh>user01: saw that on the gtk-gnome list
15:09<lupine_85>hmm. shouldn't su be setuid or something?
15:09<sooperkuh>it is a conflict with a partitioning tool, i think gparted
15:09<user01>sooperkuh, oh so i should uninstall it?
15:09<fxiny>it is setuid : -rwsr-xr-x 1
15:10<sooperkuh>Bug#445474: gnome-mount no longer mounting
15:10<Eulex>fxiny, your / isn't nosuid, right?
15:10<user01>sooperkuh, ok so theyre still working on it then
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15:10[~]lupine_85 chmods it
15:10<fxiny>Eulex: yes
15:10<lupine_85>woo, that works now
15:10<lupine_85>thanks :)
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15:11<lupine_85>wonder how it ended up like that
15:11<sooperkuh>ah sorry, user01
15:11<Eulex>fxiny, ah, sorry, was intended for lupine_85
15:11<fxiny>lupine_85: wheel deprecated ? i use wheel
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15:11<fxiny>Eulex: ok :)
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15:12<vins>dpkg : I've launched "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and the x default driver proposed is vesa
15:12<dpkg>that's too long, vins
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15:12<lupine_85>fxiny: it's just a random memory fragment.
15:12<Eulex>vins, can you select the 'nvidia' driver?
15:12<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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15:12<vins>yes i try it
15:12<fxiny>lupine_85: i'll check debian official hardening docs later on
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15:13<user01>sooperkuh, its ok im learned alot about editing fstab this way
15:14<sooperkuh>hehe ...
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15:15<vins>Euh I don't know what write as bus video card login, the default is PCI:1:0:0
15:17<vins>do you have an idea ? Can I let the default value ?
15:17<xFF>use default
15:18<fxiny>lupine_85: that's strenge : are you sure about su integrity ?
15:18<vins>ok but my video card is in AGP : no problem ?
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15:18<fxiny>lupine_85: i use sxid to check it
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15:19<fxiny>very handy specially when experimenting with vservers
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15:19<amphi>vins: if you only have one card, leave the bus id blank
15:20<vins>too late... ^^
15:20<vins>I do it again
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15:23<tintiso>what is a easy way to install nvidia drivers?
15:23<Eulex>!nvidia oneliner
15:23<dpkg>well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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15:26<vins>I've a problem with x configuration, I can't choose default 32 bits
15:27<valdyn>vins: no one can
15:27<valdyn>vins: what's wrong with 24 ?
15:27<vins>I can choose 24 wut I think 32 is better no ?
15:28<valdyn>vins: it does not exist
15:28<valdyn>vins: 24 is all or more than any human can see
15:28<vins>ok thanks
15:29<valdyn>vins: your lcd display is likely not capable to display 16.8 million difference colors though
15:29<vins>I've finished the x configuration
15:29<valdyn>vins: or led even
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15:29<valdyn>( but that shouldnt affect your choice of 24bpp )
15:30<vins>I've yet lags ! :(
15:32<user01>blah: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
15:32<user01>/dev/disk/by-uuid/F08CEFEB8CEFA9F4 /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,
15:33<user01>noauto,umask=002, 0 0
15:33<valdyn>user01: the user needs to be in the fuse group
15:33<user01>valdyn, i did that
15:33<valdyn>user01: but you did not relogin ?
15:33<user01>valdyn, nope
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15:34<vins>I ask me if the lags cause is not a peridic processus as dhcp...
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15:34<valdyn>vins: it is not
15:34<user01>valdyn, will have to say goodbye while i relogin then?
15:34<vins>ah ?
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15:35<valdyn>user01: you can run this in a terminal and only (re)login inside that terminal, like "su - <username>"
15:35<vins>Do you kno how I can diagnose it ?
15:35<valdyn>vins: i dont even know what you are defining as "lag"
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15:36<vins>ok lol (sorry i'm french)
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15:36<vins>I's like a slowing
15:37<vins>it appears each 3 seconds approximately
15:37<valdyn>vins: and how am i supposed to know what "it" is?
15:37<valdyn>vins: WHAT's slowing
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15:38<vins>it's like a bug that you can have in a game when the details are too much
15:38<lucas_amorim>hello, I have been using DeVeDe for creating DVDs with debian lenny. It always worked, but now it is not. It starts converting the videos to mpeg-4 compliant (using mencoder) and after that it runs dvdauthor to build the disc structure, that is where it crashes. It complains like this: "It was not possible to create the disc structure. Maybe you run out of space."
15:39<user01>valdyn, now it says fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/ntfsusb
15:39<valdyn>user01: and? what is not clear about that error?
15:39<lucas_amorim>I have got 8GB free at my home partition, and that is where I choose the output dir
15:39<fxiny>lucas_amorim: does it uses a tmp dir ?
15:40<fxiny>like k9copy
15:40<lucas_amorim>but, I have got less than 1GB at / :(
15:40<user01>valdyn, i thought ntfs-3g gave me write permission as well?
15:40<valdyn>user01: you cant even mount.
15:40<chealer>!tell tintiso about ngd
15:40<chealer>tintiso: which Debian suite do you use?
15:40<user01>valdyn, nope
15:40<valdyn>user01: getting write permissions to the mounted filesystem only comes after mounting
15:40<lucas_amorim>fxiny: that is where comes my problem. I do not know how to resize the / partition
15:41<vins>valdyn, do you what's my problem or not ?
15:41<tintiso>debian etch
15:41<valdyn>vins: no idea, you aren't telling me
15:41<chealer>tintiso: OK, see the factoid
15:42<fxiny>lucas_amorim: no way to set it up to use a dir in your home ?
15:42<user01>valdyn, but i put user in the fstab
15:42<valdyn>user01: fusermount is something seperate to mount
15:42<valdyn>user01: youre just being cojnfused by mount calling fusermount instead of you calling fusermount directly
15:43<valdyn>user01: fusermount has its own access control mechanisms
15:43<fxiny>lucas_amorim: k9copy uses iirc a /var/tmp dir but is possible to change setting
15:43<valdyn>user01: and if a user cant write a directory, he cant fusermount anything there, obviously
15:43<lucas_amorim>fxiny: dvd author uses k9copy?
15:44<user01>valdyn, oh, so i really dont need any of those mount options after?
15:44<valdyn>user01: probably, i dont know the whole picture of fusermounts workings
15:44<fxiny>lucas_amorim: k9copy shrink dvd down to 4.4 , i don't use it too much but it fills up my / which is just 3.5G , so i set it up to use a /home/subdir and is fine
15:45<valdyn>user01: you should only need access to /dev/fuse and the dir to mount at, afaik
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15:45<user01>valdyn, right now /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000, etc
15:45<lucas_amorim>fxiny: so you mean I shouyld try that with dvdauthor, right? find a config file somewhere
15:47<fxiny>lucas_amorim: yes . whatever it fills up your / , i've never used devede
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15:48<lucas_amorim>fxiny: I think I have solved the problem. There is a line pointing to /var/temp at ~/.devede
15:48<fxiny>lucas_amorim: :)
15:48<lucas_amorim>thanks :)
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15:52<user01>fusermount: option blkdev is privileged
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15:53<valdyn>user01: show the whole fstab line
15:54<fearbear>I've got some trouble with the installation
15:54<fearbear>I have a via C70 processor
15:55<fearbear>which linux kernel should I choose?
15:55<fearbear>I tried some of them in the list, but yairm and initramfs cannot be loaded for some reason
15:56<user01>valdyn, /dev/disk/by-uuid/F08CEFEB8CEFA9F4 /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002, 0 0
15:56<blarson>fearbear: I think the via C7 requires i486 kernel.
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15:56<fearbear>okay, and should i use yairm or initramfs??
15:56<blarson>fearbear: You can compile a new one optimized for it if needed.
15:56<valdyn>user01: by-uuid even lists partitions and not just disks_
15:56<valdyn>user01: by-uuid even lists partitions and not just disks?
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15:57<fearbear>blarson: how do I do that?
15:57<blarson>fearbear: initramfs is default now.
15:57<Eulex>valdyn, yeah, it's uuid per partition.
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15:57<user01>valdyn, yep
15:57<chealer>fearbear: C70 or C7? BTW, it's yaird, not yairm
15:57<Eulex>valdyn, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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15:57<fearbear>oh, I still get initramfs could not be installed...
15:57<gcs>Hi! What's the best alternative of MailMan which is in the repository?
15:58<blarson>fearbear: follow usual instructions for configuring/compiling a custom kernel.
15:58<vins>ok I try to explain better. I've made a short program with C language and SDL library. When I launch it, all seem to be ok but if I move the mouse for example, the mouvement is blocked each 3 seconds approcimately. I've tried to launch supertux game and I have the same problem. The movement ok tux is blocked each 3-5 seconds approximately. I would like to know the cause of the problem. I thought it could be a servor x configuration p
15:58<vins>roblem or a periodic processus with bad configuration. I dont't know :)
15:58<fearbear>where do I find them?
15:59<chealer>vins: hum, that sounds like a problem I'm experiencing myself.
15:59<vins>ah ?
15:59<valdyn>vins: try if this works if you run supertux with RT priority
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16:00<valdyn>vins: mind, you will have to reboot if an RT process behaves badly
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16:00<vins>what is RT ?
16:00<dpkg>hmm... rt is Request Tracker
16:00<user01>valdyn, reading this:
16:01<Maulkin>!no, RT is Request Tracker or Real Time
16:01<dpkg>Maulkin: okay
16:01<vins>and where can I configure the RT priority ?
16:01<fearbear>blarson: where do I find the instructions? My system has no OS at the moment, so I cannot login and do apt-get...
16:01<chealer>vins: which version of the drivers do you use?
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16:02<valdyn>vins: like "sudo nice -19 supertux", see the nice manpage
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16:02<vins>nvidia 100.14.09
16:02<valdyn>vins: this is more likely a kernel / driver issue thogh, which priority cannot fix
16:03<blarson>fearbear: install with the 486 kernel, then recompile after you have a running system.
16:03<Gryfelhase>I see, that linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 is installed, but I'm using kernel 2.6.18-4-686. How could this be? DOn't know what programm installed this
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16:04<valdyn>Gryfelhase: there's metapackages that track recent headers / kernels
16:04<chealer>vins: did you try with other versions, say 100.14.19?
16:04<Xenguy>I wanted to ask: is it possible at all to tarball a directory on one server *directly* over to another server location (i.e. without having to do tarball > then scp ?
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16:04<valdyn>Gryfelhase: dpkg -l | grep linux-header and/or dpkg -l | grep linux-image, read the package descriptions
16:05<valdyn>Xenguy: umm_
16:05<vins>chealer : no
16:05<user01>valdyn, yeah i did it by myself (the last part anyway)
16:05<valdyn>Xenguy: tar only operates on filesystems
16:05<user01>valdyn, chown root.user01 $(which ntfs-3g)
16:05<chealer>Gryfelhase: what do you mean?
16:05<valdyn>Xenguy: or block devies, naturally
16:05<user01>valdyn, chmod 4750 $(which ntfs-3g)
16:05<valdyn>Xenguy: you need an additional layer to do the networking
16:05<Xenguy>valdyn: OK, I figured it was not doable, but wanted to confirm. Thanks
16:06<Gryfelhase>valdyn: I used dpkg -l to get the information, that linux-kernel-header-package is 2.6.18-7
16:06<valdyn>Xenguy: there'S netcat and networked filesystems, and ssh
16:06<chealer>vins: is there a reason you use 100.14.09 rather than 100.14.19? or you just installed them some time ago?
16:06<Gryfelhase>does this make troule, when vmware can't find the true kernel-headers? (Also installed)
16:06<Xenguy>valdyn: thanks for the tips :-)
16:07<fearbear>blarson: so I choose linux-image-2.6-486??
16:07<valdyn>Gryfelhase: there's no kernel headers like you described anywhere
16:07<valdyn>Gryfelhase: you want to tell us what you really have and which metapackages you have
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16:08<vins>chealer, no reason but I've installed them only one month ago
16:09<user01>valdyn, bah now it will show it at the command line but wont mount in gnome
16:09<Gryfelhase>ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development
16:09<blarson>fearbear: yes
16:10<fearbear>blarson: or or linux-image-2.6.18-5-486?
16:10<Gryfelhase>is output of dpkg -l
16:10<fearbear>or simply linux image 486?
16:10<blarson>fearbear: the first will install the latest available.
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16:10<valdyn>Gryfelhase: that package has nothign to do with vmware or your kernel
16:10<valdyn>Gryfelhase: your package starts with "linux-headers"
16:11<valdyn>Gryfelhase: and try reading the package descriptions.
16:11<fearbear>but I tried that one a couple of minutes ago, and it said: initramfs could not be installed...
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16:12<chealer>vins: you could try with the latest version.
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16:14<vins>yes I tried to launch tux with valdyn options , I have the still the probelm
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16:14<chealer>vins: nevermind, I think my problem is different. I don't have it with supertux, only neverball
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16:15<vins>still thanks for your help :)
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16:16<vins>valdyn : I have still the problem with "nice -19 supertux"
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16:17<vins>(not in su because it makes me an error)
16:18<chealer>vins: which Debian suite do you use?
16:18<valdyn>vins: nice -19 does not work as user
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16:19<vins>debian 4.0
16:19<chealer>vins: does the problem occur if you use the nv driver instead?
16:20<l>hello. please, how can I active V4L2 ?
16:20<valdyn>!wayttd l
16:20<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, l?
16:21<l>dpkg, I'm trying to install my new webcam
16:21<valdyn>l: so ask about that
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16:23<bogdan>come faccio a vedere una partizione ext3 sul mio display, come la devo montare?
16:23<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
16:23<vins>chealer : i'm sorry i don't understand : I always use the nvidia driver
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16:23<chealer>vins: right, I suggest to try the nv driver instead.
16:24<valdyn>that one is probably not going to run anything opengl nicely
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16:24<vins>ok nv and nvidia are not the same
16:24<valdyn>supertux is opengl though?
16:24<vins>yes I use opengl for supertux
16:25<lupine_85>opengl on nv is slooooooooooow
16:25<vins>but i have the problem with SDL
16:25<l>valdyn, oh, ok. It's a Microdia. I installed the packages gspca and spca5xx, but amsn not reconosigned the webcam, and mercury too. and in gstream-properties happen this error: Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Cannot identify device '/dev/video0'. (sorry for my horrible english and my errors, I'm brazilian, but in debian-br no one can help me)
16:26<lupine_85>l: you need to mknod the /dev/video0 file and modprobe the gspca driver
16:26<valdyn>l: dont talk to me directly, but not having v4l is not your problem
16:26<valdyn>l: ask the channel, not me.
16:26<l>ok, sorry
16:27<lupine_85>mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
16:27<vins>monstre:/home/vins# nice -19 supertux
16:27<valdyn>l: just helping you ask properly, i dont know much about webcams
16:27<vins>nice: supertux: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
16:27<valdyn>lupine_85: in times when everyone has udev?
16:27<lupine_85>at least, last month when I tried it, yes
16:27<valdyn>I see
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16:28<vins>with su I dont access supertux
16:28<valdyn>vins: vagueness isnt going to get you far.
16:28<valdyn>vins: use "sudo" or "sux", not "su"
16:29<vins>ok I try it
16:29<valdyn>vins: probably sudo /usr/games/supertux, as /usr/games might not be in root's $PATH
16:29<l>ok, now the error is: Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Could not open device '/dev/video0' for reading and writing.
16:29<valdyn>!wikifaq l Permissions
16:29<dpkg>l: check out or if that doesn't work, try
16:31<chealer>valdyn: only SDL for now (the version in stable)
16:32<lupine_85>well, if the kernel module isn't loaded, then the device file can't be opened
16:32<lupine_85>but it could also be permissions, I guess. Try accessing it as root to check
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16:34<fearbear>It just tells me again initramfs could not be installed :(
16:34<l>I'm accessing as root. I think the module is not loaded, and I not know how to load it
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16:35<vins>valdyn : i've still the problem ith sudo nice -19 /usr/games/supertux
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16:37<vins>the game launchs itself but I still have my initial problem
16:37<vins>I try to update my drivers
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16:38<loki_>hello :)
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16:56<rkos>my zlib is not compatible with libfreetype or whatever, i downloaded the unstable version of zlib but it didnt fix the problem, so what now?
16:56<rkos>Eulex, what was it that you were talking about yesterday that i should do
16:57<rkos>or #debian-br
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16:57<Eulex>make sure that both are from the same release of debian. tools: apt-cache search, apt-cache policy and apt-get install
16:58<patrick22>I have problem to get my new kernel to recognize the old root filesystem.... would anyone be able to help me debugging the .config file?
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17:00<rkos>zlib: Installed: 1: libfreetype: Installed: 2.3.5-1+b1
17:00<rkos>so those look different
17:00<rkos>i dont really know what im looking for or what im supposed to do
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17:03<rkos>Eulex, can you direct me again or are you tired of helping me?
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17:04<Eulex>rkos, ok. you haven't installed a zlib or a libfreetype independent of the package system, right?
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17:05<rkos>i installed the unstable version of zlib when that other guy was helped me about this, but i had the problem before i did that
17:05<rkos>and libfreetype i got with the normal apt-get
17:06<Eulex>and you still do?
17:06<rkos>i tried to configure it but i got the same error
17:06<Eulex>define 'configure it'
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17:07<Eulex>configure what?
17:07<rkos>talking about compiling wine 0.9.48
17:07<Eulex>rkos, have you got an /usr/local/lib directory?
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17:08<Eulex>are you really really sure that you need 0.9.48 and that the one in unstable does not do?
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17:08<Eulex>rkos, check inside that directory for libz and libfreetype. or pastebin a file listing from it.
17:08<rkos>well 47 had some serious problems with steam and this one should have some fixes for it
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17:09<rkos>it has just 3 folders, gnustep, ocaml, python2.4
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17:10<Eulex>rkos, pastebin ls -al /usr/lib/libz* /usr/lib/libfreetype*
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17:22<vins>hi I'm still with my problem on supertux and SDL program
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17:23<vins>I've installed the news Nvidia drivers but I've still the problem
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17:25<witte>hello, someone else experiencing that is very slow?
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17:26<vins>When I launch a game or a SDL application, the movement (of tux ina game fr example or of my mouse in an application) is stopped each 3-5 seconds approximately. Do you kno how I can diagnose that ?
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17:28<vins>can someone help me please ?
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17:33<sooperkuh>vins: do you have hardware accelerated 3D?
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17:34<vins>yes I've installed nvidia last drivers
17:34<vins>My video card is a quadro 1600M
17:34<sooperkuh>hm .. i had the same freezes, but befor i had that activated
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17:34<sooperkuh>glxgears would just look as if it "skipped"
17:36<sooperkuh>hm .. but if you have glx already working ... strange
17:36<chealer>vins: did you try the nv driver?
17:36<vins>ah no i've forgotten
17:36<sooperkuh>chealer: but nv is unaccellerated, is it?
17:37<chealer>sooperkuh: right
17:37<vins>I have freezes with glxgears !!
17:38<sooperkuh>how many frames per second do you get?
17:38<sooperkuh>4845 frames in 5.0 seconds = 968.949 FPS
17:38<vins>where can i see it ?
17:38<sooperkuh>start it from a shell window
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17:39<vins>I do that but i don't have informations in console
17:39<vins>it's strange I've still tried
17:39<sooperkuh>hm strange ... i get this output as soon as I start it ... hm
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17:40<vins>Me too before
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17:42<sooperkuh>dunno what this problem could be
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17:43<gcosmin>if I have just install sun-java with apt-get .. how can I know where is my java $PATCH ?
17:44<vins>ok it works with glxgears -printfps
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17:45<gcosmin>can some one help me please?
17:45<vins>I obtain approximately 20000 fps
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17:46<Nelson101>join gentoo
17:46<Nelson101>see ya'
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17:46<sooperkuh>vins: so you are certainly accelerated
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17:47<sooperkuh>hm .. 20000 wow that is fast ... can't imagine it is any speed problem then
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17:47<vins>but it strange with glxgears I have period with freeze ans I obtain approximately 12000 fps
17:47<vins>because of the freeze
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17:48<sooperkuh>but it only freezes, never crashes
17:49<vins>never crash
17:50<sooperkuh>because i thought maybe the card is too much for the power supply, but that would only make sense if the computer sometimes crashed imho
17:51<sooperkuh>what window manager are you running? if it is compiz, maybe changing it helps?
17:51<vins>Im seeing that if the box with engrenages is hidden i obtain approximately 20 000 fps but if it's not hidden I obtain approximately 12 000 fps
17:51<vins>It's strange
17:54<vins>No idea ? :)
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17:55<sooperkuh>no, sorry
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18:00<vins>Please is there a spacialist of freezes here ? :) I must do 3d simulations and my computer is not able to do a simple glxgears without freeze ! ^^
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18:02<Alex>Hey all quick question regarding linux in general...
18:02<Alex>I installed mysql-server using APT and when I ran ps -aux I seen the various daemons runnings mysql, apache, etc
18:03<Alex>I then invoked the mysql daemon via mysql (no user/pass)
18:03<vins>sooperkuh : can you tell me if you have the same score with glxgears if you hide the fenster and if you don't hide it
18:03<Alex>I exited and removed/purged mysql-server
18:03<vins>Or someone else ?
18:03<Alex>rebooted the system but when I ps -aux again I still seen the mysql daemons???
18:04<dondelelcaro>Alex: mysql-server is just a meta package which depends on the actual server.
18:04<Alex>meta package?
18:04<Alex>I can google that...
18:06<Alex>Second question: When I start a daemon, such as MySQL and I PS -AUX I can see several daemons running? Why the need for more than one? Also when I ran "mysqladmin" it worked as well - despite not being listed in the PS listings???
18:06<lupine_85>Alex: a package that contains no files of it's own, just depends on other files
18:06<lupine_85>erm, packages
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18:08<vins>please have you the same score with glxgears when you reduce the fenster and when you don't reduce it ?
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18:09<libervisco>Hm just found something interesting (relevant to Debian)..
18:12<amphi>libervisco: "Debian fails to understand that even the user of a free product is still a customer." wtf?
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18:16<dondelelcaro>libervisco: that's not particularly interesting
18:16<libervisco>amphi, well, that one is arguable.. but it's still interesting :)
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18:16<libervisco>it's part of a whole series...
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18:17<dondelelcaro>unless you appreciate inane screeds
18:17<amphi>libervisco: it is? what does it contain that's novel?
18:18<libervisco>well the assertion that dunc tank project was a sabotage of etch releasing on time, for one...
18:19<amphi>much of it reads like a standard 'open source' rant against free software
18:19<libervisco>upon which its initiator gets elected as Debian leader?
18:19<libervisco>amphi, oh it's not.. I've been reading the series and he doesn't seem like that..
18:20<dondelelcaro>libervisco: except that it wasn't, and has little to do with why Sam was elected.
18:20<libervisco>seems more like a bit of frustration-inspired criticism towards Free Software or Open Source regardless
18:21<amphi>it seems no one told 'Jem' about 'WIR' ;)
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18:21<dpkg>from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
18:21<libervisco>ah :)
18:22<libervisco>well, the theory goes that the sabotage counted on the WIR policy
18:22<amphi>oh, those evil bug reporters!
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18:23<libervisco>so.. basically dunc-tank resulted in more bugs being reported, but failed as a long term project?
18:23<dondelelcaro>it didn't actually
18:24<dondelelcaro>dunc tank mainly allowed for two release managers to be paid for a few months to work on the release and a bit of consternation on the mailing lists
18:24<amphi>libervisco: and as for the iceweasel thing, as I understood it, mozilla would neither accept all of debian's patches to firefox, and would not allow a differently patched version to be called firefox, so it was mozilla who forced the name change
18:24<sooperkuh>vins: still here?
18:24<vins>yes yes :)
18:24<sooperkuh>no, i don't get the same score
18:24<sooperkuh>twice as fast when hidden for me
18:24<amphi>libervisco: from what I read of the discussion, it was fairly amicable
18:24<libervisco>amphi, about that, I later heard that images were actually under a nonfree license making the whole package legally undistributable..
18:25<vins>yes i's logic :)
18:25<libervisco>so that it wasn't just a trademark issue
18:25<libervisco>a sec
18:25<libervisco>this was vividly pointed out here:
18:25<vins>sooperkuh : thanks for help
18:26<amphi>libervisco: that goes along with the name, AFAIUI - all those things are only to be associated with the official version, not another's patched version
18:26<libervisco>well of course
18:26<sooperkuh>vins: you're welcome ... you wrote fenster, maybe in the german channel can help?
18:26<libervisco>I mean, yeah trademark policy makes that legally binding I suppose, by by Free Software standards Firefox is a no-go anyway..
18:27<Alex>If I have ran apt-get --purge remove mysql-server and I still have the mysql daemons do I *totally* remove the mysql server? :S
18:27<libervisco>if it really ends up being proprietary in its official packaging with non-free images
18:27<amphi>libervisco: why? linux is a trademark
18:27<dondelelcaro>we haven't distributed the non-free images
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18:28<amphi>libervisco: in this case, AFAICS, the trademark holder declined to permit the use of the trademark for a modified program
18:28<vins>sooperkuh : I'm french ^^
18:28<libervisco>I am not criticizing Debian here, actually, just asserting that regardless of the trademark issue, a "fork" was necessary
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18:28<libervisco>amphi, and package had to be modified.. hence the change of name
18:28<libervisco>hmm yeah :D
18:28<dondelelcaro>libervisco: sure, but that's not why the name was changed. We were not distributing those images well before we changed the name
18:28<libervisco>Just checking how well I understand the issue :)
18:29<amphi>libervisco: ISTR that patches were the main issue, but I may be wrong
18:30<dondelelcaro>the real issue is that all patches had to be vetted, and that there could come a time in the future where security patches for older versions of firefox were not vetable, Mozilla and Debian having entirely different release schedules
18:31<libervisco>so.. even before that Debian was removing those nonfree logos?
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18:32<libervisco>I see, so this trademark policy then forced the name change because of the logo change.
18:32<sooperkuh>i always want to kill somebody at mozilla, when i think about that firefox madness
18:33<sooperkuh>i had to explain to my users each time that there is a "new" firefox but it is actually the same
18:33<dondelelcaro>libervisco: it wasn't just the logo change. reread what I said above.
18:33<sooperkuh>i hope that the iceweasel branding will stay for a while
18:34<libervisco>dondelelcaro, yeah, the patches too
18:34<amphi>sooperkuh: just tell 'em firefox is a cheap knockoff of iceweasel ;)
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18:35<libervisco>It's an interesting issue for sure.. also easily confusing (at least to me), cause it pits the principle of protecting trademarks against the principle of not restricting four freedoms with them..
18:35<sam>"Firefox is the Mozilla Corporation's rebranded version of the famous Iceweasel web browser"
18:36<sooperkuh>now it is really a shame that the poster child of open source (or is it free software in their case) that
18:36<sooperkuh>oops ... is known to the most people, acts that stupid
18:37<libervisco>Hmm I'm a bit bothered by it still.. I mean.. I'm not sure we can really blame Mozilla, albeit I think Debian did the right thing..
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18:38<libervisco>The thing is, they wanted their trademark to apply to what they produce, not to modified versions.. are we to consider that unfair?
18:38<dondelelcaro>I don't think anyone who was actually involved in it thinks it was unfair.
18:38<libervisco>If the source is free and we can just do what was done and be on our free way.
18:38<sooperkuh>libervisco: linus does the same with the kernel, but he does not act that stupid
18:39<dondelelcaro>regretable perhaps, but that's it.
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18:39<dondelelcaro>the name was changed, and we all moved on; everything else is really muckrakers and trolls.
18:39<libervisco>hmm yeah, Linus could've said the trademark applies only to what the core team produces :)
18:39<libervisco>good that he didn't :)
18:40<sooperkuh>... and everything else must not use the official penguin logo ; )'
18:40<amphi>libervisco: it's possible for two parties to have different views and requirements without one needing to be evil and/or an imbecile ;)
18:40<libervisco>sooperkuh, indeed
18:40<amphi>sooperkuh: I loathe the penguin ;)
18:40<dondelelcaro>we should return to the beer logo
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18:41<sooperkuh>i think the detrimental effect is that this fragments free software and makes lots of unnecessary work
18:41<libervisco>anyway, on to another subject.. I recently wrote a blog entry in which I say I'll be looking for even more choice in GNU/Linux distros because no distro yet perfectly fits my desires..
18:41<dondelelcaro>sooperkuh: not really; changing a name is fairly trivial thing to do, and a reasonable request
18:42<amphi>libervisco: yeah, there are definitely too few distros ;)
18:42<libervisco>and then someone suggested Debian Testing, although it too doesn't exactly fit, but the issue is more uncertain there..
18:42<dondelelcaro>libervisco: it's rare that a distro does; what you should do is find the closest one (or the one that is easiest to adapt) and use it
18:43<libervisco>yeah that's what I thought, but then I end up being a constant distro hopper..
18:43<dondelelcaro>(and the best thing is to be open to the idea that your preferences are not ideal)
18:43<libervisco>and it's not like I have any choice in the matter anyway :D
18:43<amphi>libervisco: testing and the odd thing built from src works well for me
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18:43<libervisco>It's just that, as long as I still have a few requirements unmet I'll be encouraging more options to choose from
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18:44<libervisco>pity I don't have much time and expertise to build my own distro :P
18:45<dondelelcaro>that's why you should start from an existing one and modify it when necessary
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18:45<libervisco>hm yeah that usually comes to mind when I ponder the idea of doing my own.. find the closest match and modify
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19:04<Ikarus>Man, this application is mad
19:04<Ikarus>or has anyone actually considered wiring a cluster with 2480 network cables by hand :P
19:06<dondelelcaro>uh... how else would you wire such a thing?
19:07<Ikarus>dondelelcaro: nah, this design tool just doesn't take it into account that it could use more CPU cores per node to reduce on network cabling
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19:20<andrej>hello! i got a question :) is possible to run mac programs on debian ?
19:21<dondelelcaro>andrej: using mol, yes.
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19:22<andrej>dondelelcaro: what is better run windows or mac programs on mac?
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19:22<andrej>on linux
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19:23<andrej>i was wondering because i need a special program to print cd labes directly to cd with my printer and i couldnt find a prog wich would do that
19:24<dondelelcaro>you don't actually need a special program to do that
19:24<andrej>and i get just busy signal if i try to print whit openoffice draw or gimp
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19:25<andrej>dondelelcaro: what do you recommend ?
19:26<zl2tod>it sounds like you need to fix you printing setup
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19:28<andrej>if i print on normal paper it works fine but if i put on a "thing" i which i put the "table" with my cd to print on my printer tells me that is busy and is trying again every 5 sec....
19:28<andrej>i did the properties on cd tray....
19:29<andrej>but no result
19:29<andrej>i got canon i865
19:29<andrej>runing debian kde
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19:30<andrej>ideas ?
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19:33<lucas_amorim>Hello. I just installed mjpegtools using alien to convert that from a rpm package. But now I found a newer version on the debian multimedia repository. The problem is: I installed that rpm by converting it like this: "alien --scripts packagename.rpm" and then "dpkg -i packagename.deb"
19:33<lucas_amorim>Now I want to remove, but i cant
19:34<lucas_amorim>i tried "dpkg -r mjpegtools"
19:34<lucas_amorim>I will paste the output
19:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
19:35<lucas_amorim>then, how could I remove that?
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19:37<sooperkuh>lucas:amorim: i don't know, but i have fixed things like that in the past by simply linking the
19:37<sooperkuh>missing file to /bin/true
19:37<lucas_amorim>ok, let me see...
19:38<sooperkuh>but do not blame me, if this breaks more than it fixes ; )
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19:44<andrej> /msg dpkg no public key
19:44<andrej>ž/msg dpkg no public key
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19:47<Alex>Why after I invoke a program, such as Apache or MySQL are there several instances running when I *PS* to view running processes? I have read that Linux doesn't distinguish between threads/processes like Windows does so each process may be acting as thread. Can someone give me an example of such with Apache and it's processes if this is true?
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19:48<ifvoid>Alex: no, this is a totally different thing
19:49<Alex> why does Apache for example have so many instances? :S
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19:49<ifvoid>ok you mean wwhy there are seveal processes showing up?
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19:50<ifvoid>that's simply to be able to handle multiple connections that some in
19:50<Alex>Yes...after installed apache and I ran ps -aux I noticed several apache processes
19:50<ifvoid>otherwise the clients would have to wait until a new process (or thread) is started
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19:50<ifvoid>Alex: and indeed, linxu doesn't really distinguish between threads and processes
19:51<ifvoid>Alex: try pstree if you want to see the relationships between the different processes
19:51<ifvoid>Alex: you should see that there is one master apache process with several children
19:51<Alex>Cool...I see that
19:52<zl2tod>Alex, if you have chkrootkit installed you could scare yourself further by running /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v -v
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19:53<Alex>One other question. I installed mysql and when I PS I see the processes...I then used mysqladmin and shutdown all running processes. I PS'ed and as expected they were gone. However when I tried to start the Mysql daemon again using 'mysql' such as what I found in the init.d nothing happens?
19:53<Alex>I have fresh rootkit's as far as I know :P
19:53<Alex>i hope
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19:56<lucas_amorim>does someone have an Idea on how to remove that package?
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19:57<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: install-info is part of dpkg, if it is missing your system is seriously broken
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19:59<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I don't think it is missing.. dpkg was working perfectly untill I did that installation of mjpegtools
19:59<lucas_amorim>but, if it is missing, what do you suggest I could do?
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20:00<Nemoder>well you can check if it's missing: ls -l /sbin/install-info
20:00<Nemoder>er sorry, /usr/sbin/install-info
20:00<Nemoder>that's the problem heh
20:01<Nemoder>the script is looking for it in the wrong place
20:01<lucas_amorim>what script?
20:01<Nemoder>the uninstall script for that package
20:02<lucas_amorim>then I could fix that by editing this script?
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20:02<lucas_amorim>where is that?
20:02<franklin>what about an 'apt-get install dpkg --reinstall' to fix the missing install-info ?
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20:03<Nemoder>try /var/lib/dpkg/info/mjpegtools*
20:04<Nemoder>and file a bug report if it is indeed wrong
20:04<lucas_amorim>franklin: I am going to try
20:04<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok, I will see
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20:08<tlmiller>I'm struggling to get compiz working on my debian host and reading conflicting posts via google about the state of compiz. Should it work under Lenny?
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20:08<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: It was pointing the wrong place, but I think that is because it was not made for debian. I made that with alien. Anyway I changed it, and now I have got more errors than before, take a look:
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20:09<Nemoder>not a good idea to use library packages from other systems
20:09<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yeah
20:09<lucas_amorim>I see that now
20:09<andrej>i installed sth in wine and if i remove wine it will all go away ?
20:10<lucas_amorim>I should have looked for it on debian multimedia
20:10<lucas_amorim>now, how the hell I am going to solve this?
20:10<simonrvn>andrej: no
20:10<Lucky>Brief question: anybody here know of a channel where I might get some help with a Dell PERC 5/i RAID controller configuration?
20:10<Elrond>How does one run apt-proxy via inetd?
20:10<Nemoder>andrej: it will be in ~/.wine
20:11<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: not really sure, but it looks like you will have to manually fix the scripts
20:11<lucas_amorim>cant I just delete everything?
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20:12<lucas_amorim>I will be back in some minutes
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20:13<franklin>Elrond, not sure it's designed for that.
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20:16<Elrond>franklin - It doesn't really look like it is. I just hoped, I overlooked the hidden option.
20:16<franklin>Elrond, I just looked the manpage & README.
20:17<Elrond>franklin - Ist apt-proxy the "currently recommended thing" for the job?
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20:20<franklin>Elrond, I don't know. still i use it and like it because it's easy to setup, and it can import /var/cache/apt/*. I know there are quite a few others.
20:21<gsimmons>Elrond: Take a look at 'apt-cacher'. It can operate via inetd.
20:21<Elrond>franklin - Yeah, I found apt-cacher (can at least run in inetd, but keeps all *.deb in one single directory, not really fun.), apt-proxy (looks like the one being best maintained), and approx (haven't yet looked fully into it, but it doesn't seem to like inetd either).
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20:23<franklin>Elrond, I would be interested to get your feedback if you try apt-cacher
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20:24<Elrond>franklin - I started to use it and was scared away by the "one dir for all packages" approach. I found out about it, when I gave it a few twenty packages to import.
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20:28<Elrond>Hmm, the scariest config would be to use apt-proxy to store packages in a nice tree and let apt-cacher use symlinks. ;o)
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20:35<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: End of my headache!! just fixed the probelm
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20:36<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info# cp zlib1g.postrm mjpegtools.postrm
20:36<lucas_amorim>debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info# dpkg -r mjpegtools
20:36<lucas_amorim>Now I am happy :)
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20:37<Nemoder>nice :)
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20:38<Nemoder>hopefully using a different post script won't leave files still cluttered on your drive
20:38<Elrond>franklin - Ahh, first good thing about apt-cacher: It happily imports *.deb, for which it doesn't have a "Packages"-entry. ;o)
20:39<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: although I imagine if you install and purge the official debian mjpegtools package it might clean that up
20:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I just realized that If i had done "alien package.rpm" none of those scripts should be there, but instead I did "alien --scripts package.rpm" and that is where it bring the rpm scripts to debian
20:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yes, i think so
20:40<franklin>Elrond, Importing packages is just so convenient (even with a good connexion ;)
20:40<lucas_amorim>then I looked inside that script zlib1g.postrm and I saw it was quite general. Thought it could be applied to that package. And indeed it did :)
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20:42<lucas_amorim>now I have got another issue to solve
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20:43<Wood_Is_Good>scenario:fx-62 processor, which image to download/
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20:43<lucas_amorim>Where do i get mplayer widget? it is required for qdvdauthor
20:44<Elrond>franklin - I guess so.
20:44<lucas_amorim>it is not a dependency package. But, there is an option of choosing the encoder, and in the tutorial it chooses mplayer widget, but my copy of the software doesn't show thayt
20:45<lucas_amorim>I have got mplayer and mencoder installed
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20:45<franklin>Wood_Is_Good, fx-62 is likely to be 64bits compatible (i.e amd64), but i386 might be a safer choice (for some drivers and tools).
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20:46<Golfgeo>Hi all
20:46<Wood_Is_Good>ok, thanks for the info franklin, much obliged
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20:47<lucas_amorim>that is the tutorial:
20:47<Golfgeo>Have to recompile my kernel since I'm running a new install on a Via Epia CPU and was wondering the following:
20:47<lucas_amorim>actually it is QMplayerWidget
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20:49<Golfgeo>The kernel source package states it has Debian improvements, yet the linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 states that they only apply agains the kernel deb package and not a prestine source from Can I infer then that they have been aplyed to the .deb kernel source?\
20:50<Elrond>Good night people, thanks for listening. :-)
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20:50<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: any guess?
20:51<Nemoder>sorry my system locked up, what did you ask?
20:51<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: do you know wich package would supply QMplayerWidget
20:51<Nemoder>is that a library?
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20:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: what are you trying to do?
20:53<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: no, I do not know what it is exactely, but i saw mention to it here:
20:53<lucas_amorim>I am trying to use qdvdauthor
20:54<lucas_amorim>to create a VideoDVD
20:54<Nemoder>did you use the package to install it?
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20:55<lucas_amorim>in its setup there is a encoder choice panel. I should choose the QMpalyerWidget as it is suggested by the tutorial above, but it is no there...
20:55<lucas_amorim>YUes I did
20:55<lucas_amorim>yes, i did
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20:56<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I have mplayer and mencoder installed. I think that this should do the job...
20:56<Golfgeo>So the question is: have the patches from linux-patch-debian-2.6.22(.deb) been applied to linux-source-2.6.22(.deb)?
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20:56<lucas_amorim>but apparentely something is missing
20:58<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I really don't know, see if there is anything in /usr/share/doc/qdvdauthor about it
20:58<lucas_amorim>ok, thank you :)
20:58<lucas_amorim>do you have this package installed?
20:59<lucas_amorim>the problem is that when I try to add a video it adds but it gives an error image
20:59<lucas_amorim>no message
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21:00<lucas_amorim>ok, thank you anyway :) I will sleep, I will try to solve that tomorrow
21:00<Nemoder>I've only used avidemux
21:00<lucas_amorim>is that for creating dvd?
21:00<Nemoder>it can
21:00<Nemoder>but I don't think it can do any menus or anything, i've only used it for making VCDs
21:01<lucas_amorim>I was using devede, but the big problem is that i have to add each one of the 200 movies I want to add... one by one...
21:01<lucas_amorim>while qdvdauthor adds everything just by using ctrl-a
21:02<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: does it have a gui?
21:03<lucas_amorim>I will have a try
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21:07<witte>are there mirrors that have the testing netinstall images as well? is really slow atm
21:07<witte>really slow = +/- 10kb/s
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21:11<franklin>witte, use would use the jigdo version.
21:12<witte>franklin: isn't that from teh same server?
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21:13<franklin>witte, yes. you could also try from
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21:13<witte>and it is for a hppa machine that i don't know at all (first time install) so i want to be sure everything is on the disk
21:14<ranix>hey all. I have X set up using the fbdev driver and it's working fine. I use the kernel framebuffer on the command line to show my monitor rotated 90 degrees so I can stand it up in portrait mode. How do I rotate X 90 degrees also? There are no instances of 'rotate' in man xorg
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21:15<jclinton>ranix: xrandr
21:15<ranix>thanks jclinton
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21:17<witte>ranix, there is also a grandr package which will give you a nice gui
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21:21<ranix>thanks witte
21:21<ranix>I see no grandr
21:21<ranix>apt-cache search grandr is empty
21:21<franklin>ranix, do you run Etch?
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21:22<ranix>yes, franklin
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21:22<franklin>ranix, ;)
21:23<ranix>the xrandr command seems to not work as expected when using the 'orientation' mode
21:23<witte>ranix: ah, grandr is indeed not in etch
21:23<franklin>ranix, you can still use command line (create two icons in you panel, with differents settings)
21:23<witte>franklin: this is the first time that i use jigdo, but it seems to be very usefull...
21:24<ranix>xrandr -o left fails
21:24<witte>thanks for reminding me that I had to read more about once upon a time ;-)
21:24<franklin>witte, especially if you want to track testing cd... not having to download the whole thing each time...
21:25<ranix>"xrandr -o left" throws an xerror to the comsole I try it in
21:25<witte>yes, and using the university repository for the udebs, and not the swedisch one makes that it is not removed from my bandwidth :-)
21:26<franklin>ranix, I think the xrandr support in etch is basic.. you can still google
21:26<ranix>is it better in Lenny?
21:26<ranix>Google is coming up with little relevance, otherwise I wouldn't be asking here
21:27<franklin>ranix, BTW it might be because of vesa driver.
21:27<ranix>I already said I'm not using the vesa driver, I'm using fbdev
21:27<franklin>ranix, gnome-randr-applet is in etch
21:28<witte>franklin: in fact i did not want to have the testing cd, stable would have been ok, but I got an error while installing that the cdrom couldn't be found, so I hope that a newer kernel will help...
21:28<franklin>ranix, sorry.
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21:30<ranix>how would one use gnome-randr-applet after apt-getting it?
21:30<ranix>there is no gnome-randr-applet command
21:30<franklin>ranix, is an applet to add to gnome's panel.
21:31<franklin>ranix, named "Display Geometry switcher".
21:32<ranix>I do not use the gnome applet and do not plan to, unfortunately
21:32<ranix>does Lenny have a better interface for xrandr?
21:32<ranix>I should expect "xrandr -o left" to succeed though
21:32<ranix>and do not know why it would not
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21:33<franklin>ranix, can you change resolution with randr ?
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21:35<franklin>ranix, ranr in lenny has more features. it's just not as "stable".
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21:36<ranix>I will try upgrading to Lenny
21:37<Shu>does anyone know the package name for xvid?
21:38<ranix>libxvidcore4 maybe
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21:38<franklin>ranix, save your Xorg.conf (you might event want to purge xserver ... not sure though)
21:38<ranix>I hand edit xorg.conf so I'm not worried about it
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21:39<faust>Hi there! Are there any news about ftpmaster? Aka when will there be updates again? :-)
21:39<franklin>ranix, lenny's xorg autoconfigure many stuffs.
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21:40<Shu>libxvidcore4 didnt work
21:40<franklin>shu try VLC, maybe.
21:40<ranix>Shu: I was unaware you could get codecs from the package servers
21:40<Shu>you cant?
21:40<ranix>you might not be able to except in a player that comes with codecs like vlc
21:41<Shu>thanks for the info
21:41<ranix>I'm not sure though
21:41<ranix>so that's not real info
21:41<ranix>just notification of my incompetence
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21:42<Shu>i tried to get VLC
21:43<Shu>but it gave me the error that vlc is not available
21:43<Shu>and is referred to by another package
21:43<Shu>anyone know why?
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21:46<maxamillion>Shu: you running lenny? i think it got pulled from the lenny repos because of stability issues or something
21:47<Shu>im running lenny
21:47<Shu>ah well
21:47<ameyer>maxamillion: the switch from wxwidgets to qt perhaps?
21:47<maxamillion>Shu: yeah, if you search VLC on it has vlc in etch and sid, but not lenny
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21:48<maxamillion>ameyer: its possible, i am not entirely sure
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21:48<ameyer>I don't know what the status of that is, however
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21:50<franklin>ameyer, I think it had licence issues. now it's dependency problem. I run Etch one on lenny.
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21:51<ameyer>you could also use their repo</possibly_bad_idea>
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22:41<Sakara>hi all looking for the command to get the dialog from the installer that allows you to choose mail, web, file, desktop server
22:41<gsimmons>!tell Sakara -about tasksel
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23:02<ranix>I got rotation working in X
23:03<ranix>had to not use the xrandr utility. Just used the Option "Rotation" "CW" in the Devices section of Xorg.conf with fbdev
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23:06<Jihad>good nigth
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23:10<LuisMiguel>toi solo o_O
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23:12<Jihad>que luismi onde estas
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23:20<Wood_Is_Good>who wants to help a newb with server x problem? i put my resolution too high and now it wont start, i don't know how to turn it down
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