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00:06<Xenguy>Nemoder: nice analogy
00:07<asid>Im trying to edit a config file in /etc/ from a user account in a root shell, and i have no idea on what to use to open the file to edit it anyone help me?
00:08<Ikarus>sodagood: Debian provides things Ubuntu wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole and visa versa, also Debian is not at all impopulair
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00:09<Xenguy>asid: nano ?
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00:10<Xenguy>asid: or mcedit ?
00:10<Xenguy>asid: those are 'easy editors'
00:11<asid>i have no idea on why i couldnt remember that
00:11<asid>its been a while since ive used linux
00:11<Xenguy>asid: I find I forget stuff I don't use for awhile; that's why I write stuff down :-)
00:12<Xenguy>asid: best to learn vi(m) in the long run tho ;-)
00:12<asid>what is that?
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00:13<Xenguy>asid: vim is an arcane and powerful text editor
00:13<Xenguy>asid: one of the 'old generation' editors
00:13<schmichael>anyone know why debian tortures users by installing vim-tiny by default?
00:13<schmichael>its bound to just scare people away from vim
00:13<Xenguy>asid: standard vi is said to be present on almost every *nix system
00:13<Xenguy>schmichael: no idea on that one
00:14<schmichael>on every debian system i touch i have to apt-get install vim and then edit /etc/vim/vimrc
00:15<Xenguy>schmichael: just copy your ~/.vimrc from the vaults :-)
00:15<schmichael>Xenguy: heh, i do... vim-tiny just seems like user obliteration
00:15<Xenguy>schmichael: I've never tried it; sounds like I haven't missed much :)
00:15<schmichael>the first time a user hits the up arrow and sees an "A" appear they're going to run away and never come back
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00:20<schmichael>sodagood: whats that a picture of
00:20[~]schmichael sense he's probably going to be offended
00:23<asid>anyone in here ever used kismet with a wrt54g v4 router?
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00:53<spal>I am entering this command, "aptitude unmarkauto xpdf", but in the output it says, "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: dvipdfmx lesstif2 prosper texpower-manual xpdf xpdf-common xpdf-reader". How can I keep xpdf?
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01:01<chealer>spal: did you try # apt-get install xpdf; ?
01:02<chealer>spal: wait, which Debian suite do you use?
01:02<spal>chealer: no
01:02<spal>chealer: Debian Etch 4.0, I am upgrading it to Lenny. The connection went down in between.
01:03<spal>chealer: I would do aptitude dist-upgrade again to continue the upgrading, but before that I wanted to remove gaim, so I did, aptitude remove gaim and it showed that it would remove xpdf, xpdf-reader, etc. along with it.
01:04<dondelelcaro>spal: just aptitude install xpdf; should do it
01:04<spal>dondelelcaro: xpdf is already installed.
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01:04<spal>dondelelcaro: you mean I should do aptitude install over it once again, to unmark auto?
01:04<dondelelcaro>spal: open up the aptitude curses interface then, and then walk through the upgrade that it wants to do, fixing anytning that it wants to remove improperly.
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01:08<rame>hi all..
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01:10<rame>I have installed Openoffice.org2.2 from lenny.,including Openoffice.org2.2-dev in my debian..but still I couldnt find a UNO runtime environment installed for my office..Can anybody tell me which package should I install for lenny to get a UNO runtime environment..
01:12<rame>should I take the UNO runtime environment seperately from Openoffice..or is there a deb package available for that..?
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01:12<rame>Can anybody guide me in this..
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01:15<rame>or can you suggest where can I put such questions..
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01:18<bakon>quick question when I apt-get install program it doesnt install the latest versnio
01:18<bakon>i alreayd have done apt-get update numerous times
01:19<bakon>any advice?
01:19<bakon>thanks in advance
01:19<spal>bakon: it will install the version available in the repository. it is not necessarily the latest version available for that software.
01:19<bakon>well i found the .deb file for the latest
01:19<bakon>but I am a newb
01:19<bakon>and when i tried to isntall it i get errors
01:20<bakon>i tried dpkg -i ./packge.deb
01:20<spal>bakon: if you are manually installing the .deb file using dpkg -i file.deb, then you will have to install all the dependencies too.
01:20<bakon>and i get some dependacies errors
01:20<bakon>yeah and thats where i was running into problems heh
01:20<spal>bakon: yes, you have to note those dependency packages, get the .deb files for them and install them too
01:20<bakon>im new to debian like first week
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01:20<spal>bakon: and the ugly thing is that those .deb files in turn might depend on other packages, which again you have to install.
01:21<bakon>yeah seems like a mess I have gotten myself into
01:21<bakon>i thought it was just me not getting the right package
01:21<chealer>spal: sorry then, my suggestion won't help
01:21<spal>bakon: that is why most people use apt-get or aptitude which automatically resolves these dependencies, download and install all dependencies unless the package you wanted can be installed.
01:21<bakon>well i need the updates version
01:22<bakon>is there a way for apt-get to look for the dependacies needed?
01:22<spal>chealer: well, it helped. I marked those packages as manual in aptitude interface. :-)
01:22<bakon>i saw something about apt-get install -fix-broken
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01:22<Nemoder>bakon: your options are to look for a backport, upgrade to testing/sid or compile the software yourself
01:22<chealer>rame: which Debian suite do you use?
01:22<spal>chealer: just wondering why weren't they getting unmarked from the command line.
01:22<chealer>spal: that was dondelelcaro's :)
01:23<rame>chealer: am using lenny
01:23<spal>ah! thanks dondelelcaro.
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01:23<Nemoder>bakon: if you try to hunt down all the dependencies for a package that wasn't built for your system you may end up breaking other things
01:24<bakon>well i know it ran this version
01:24<bakon>a friend installed the right version
01:24<bakon>then my raid0 got corrupted
01:24<chealer>rame: is python-uno installed?
01:24<bakon>and now hes not around
01:24<bakon>and I am trying to do it myself in my newbstate
01:24<rame>chealer : no its UNO comes with that..
01:25<chealer>rame: is installed?
01:26<rame>chealer: I have installed python-uno also..yes I ve installed
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01:26<chealer>rame: hum, was python-uno installed or not? you just wrote it wasn't.
01:27<chealer>bakon: what do you want to install?
01:27<bakon>rtorrent 7.8
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01:29<chealer>bakon: you mean 0.7.8?
01:29<bakon>sorry forgot that pesky 0
01:30<Sescevok>how do i get the user list in xchat?
01:30<Sescevok>its no longer there?
01:30<chealer>bakon: you use Debian 4?
01:30<bakon>I have Sarge not sure the version
01:30<bakon>how do I check
01:30<bakon>i didnt install the image
01:30<Sescevok>sarge is 3.1
01:30<chealer>!tell bakon about debian version
01:30<chealer>Sescevok: ask #xchat on freenode
01:31<rame>chealer: yeah jus now I installed python-uno
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01:31<chealer>rame: and it didn't help?
01:31<bakon>atleast i thought it was sarge
01:31<rame>chealer: but I want the path where it went and installed..
01:32<bakon>geuss i am more newb then i thought heh but it did say 4.0
01:32<chealer>bakon: it's etch
01:32<Sescevok>etch 4.0 with beryl is awesome
01:32<bakon>ok then I have etch
01:32<chealer>rame: what's your favorite package manager?
01:32<chealer>bakon: do not send non-private messages in private without asking for permission first.
01:33<chealer>rame: try $ dpkg -L python-uno
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01:34<chealer>bakon: if you don't mind, what do you miss from rtorrent 0.7.8
01:34<bakon>i have 0.6.4
01:34<bakon>and 0.7.8 has bug fixes and new options
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01:35<bakon>primarily i like the feature of of watching multiple directories that is only avail in 0.7.7+
01:35<Sescevok>anyone here use beryl?
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01:36<rame>chealer : actually am configuring my SDK environment for Openoffice..In that process only it is asking for UNO runtime env path..
01:36<rame>chelaer : this installation path of python-uno also didnt work out
01:37<Nemoder>bakon: rtorrent 7.8 requires the new libc6 which means you would have to upgrade most of the software on your system to use it
01:37<bakon>yeah thats the dependecy i keep getting
01:37<bakon>i dont have much software on this yet
01:37<bakon>so that will not be a problem
01:37<Sescevok>no beryl users?
01:37<bakon>if I knew how to upgrade to the new libc6
01:38<Nemoder>bakon: it's in debian-Testing, you could upgrade to that but since it's testing it won't be as stable as Etch
01:38<jm_>bakon: or compile it on Etch, works just fine for me
01:38<bakon>JM how would i go about doing that?
01:39<Sescevok>i compiled pidgin today in etch and it works great....myspaceIM and everything
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01:39<jm_>bakon: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
01:40<bakon>thanks JM
01:40<bakon>i will look into this
01:40<bakon>i have another hour or so before i goto sleep
01:40<Sescevok>alright i asked in #xchat and got no response
01:40<bakon>apprecaite the help from everyone
01:40<Sescevok>anyone here know how to get the user list to appear?
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01:43<Sescevok>what chat client are you guys using?
01:43<Nemoder>Sescevok: are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
01:44<Sescevok>xchat-gnome as far as i using gnome and just did an apt-get install xchat
01:44<rame>chealer , you there..any idea..?
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01:45<chealer>rame: no. I don't know about SDK environment for OOo. BTW, use tab-completion to avoid doing typos in people's nicknames.
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01:47<Nemoder>Sescevok: if it's xchat-gnome click on the 'users' button in the bottom left, if it's plain xchat then just drag the window over
01:48<Sescevok>i dont see a users button
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01:49<Sescevok>tried dragging
01:50<Nemoder>I'm not as familiar with the gnome version but I think you can drag the window open from the left
01:50<Sescevok>i tried
01:50<Sescevok>no go
01:50<Sescevok>but i appreciate the input....i remember when installed this a while ago it was there by default
01:51<bakon>question i edited my sources.list to backport
01:51<bakon>and did the apt-get update
01:52<bakon>now the next step is confusing
01:52<bakon>dpkg is telling me soemthing different then the website it told me to goto
01:52<bakon>do i apt-get source package
01:52<bakon>or apt-get build-dep packagename
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01:52<bakon> is the site it sent me to
01:52<bakon>dlpkg the bot
01:53<jm_>backports only has rtorrent 6.0
01:53<bakon>dpkg said if it hasnt then I See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
01:53<bakon>i have done steps 1 and 2
01:54<jm_>how about the rest?
01:54<bakon>havent gone past steps 2
01:54<bakon>i am hung up
01:54<bakon>because it sent me to the list above
01:54<jm_>just make sure to stop if it starts installing any binary packages
01:54<bakon>and that confused me
01:54<jm_>proceed with 3
01:55<bakon>now when it says package name do i type rtorrent or rtorrnt_0.7.8
01:55<bakon>spelled correctly of course
01:55<jm_>rtorrent is the package name
01:55<bakon>apt-get build-dep rtorrent;apt-get -b source rtorrent
01:55<bakon>that is suppose to be 2 different commands correct?
01:55<klys>are there any interesting alternat libc6 builds?
01:55<bakon>sorry I am truly a newb
01:56<Nemoder>semicolon separates commands, even if you entered it as one it would do both
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01:56<bakon>Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in rtorrent-0.7.8
01:56<bakon>sh: dpkg-buildpackage: command not found
01:56<bakon>Build command 'cd rtorrent-0.7.8 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
01:56<bakon>E: Child process failed
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01:57<bakon>didnt think 4 lines would flood me
01:58<Sescevok>anything over 2
01:58<jm_>now install dpkg-dev and repeat the command
01:58<bakon>apt-get isntall dpkg-dev
01:58<bakon>and repeat correct
01:59<bakon>same error
01:59<bakon>Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in rtorrent-0.7.8
01:59<bakon>dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
01:59<bakon>dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
01:59<bakon>Build command 'cd rtorrent-0.7.8 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
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02:00<bakon>thanks for the help btw JM i appreciate it I would still be lost heh
02:00<Sescevok>bakon, what are you trying to do?
02:00<bakon>install rtorrent 0.7.8
02:00<bakon>on 4.0
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02:00<bakon>debian 4.0
02:00<bakon>so i geuss you call it backporting
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02:01<bakon>or compiling
02:01<Sescevok>i would just compile
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02:01<jm_>bakon: hmm we need to edit changelog file, let me see
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02:03<Sescevok>is it in backports? becuase if so it would be really easy
02:03<bakon>it is not
02:03<bakon>in backports
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02:03<Sescevok>i see
02:03<Sescevok>do you have the source?
02:03<bakon>i have the .deb file
02:03<jm_>bakon: which version of dpkg-dev do you use?
02:03<Sescevok>what happens when you to compile?
02:03<bakon>i just typed apt-get install dpkg-dev
02:04<jm_>bakon: ok rm -rf rtorrent-0.7.8 ; dpkg-source -x rtorrent_0.7.8-1.dsc
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02:05<jm_>cd out of the dir if you're in rtorrent-0.7.8 dir now
02:05<bakon>Jm would you mind explaing what that means I am trying to learn as much as possible to keep me out of this channel :)
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02:05<bakon>ok done said extrtacting unpacking and applying
02:05<bakon>gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory
02:06<Sescevok>dude just compile
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02:06<jm_>bakon: we'll ignore gpg error for now
02:06<bakon>i am new to debian/linux this is my first week
02:06<Sescevok>these guys are telling you bizzare stuff
02:06<jm_>bakon: cd rtorrent-0.7.8 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc
02:07<Nemoder>Sescevok: it is safer to build a deb package than run a compile script which might overwrite system files
02:07<Sescevok>Nemoder, is it?
02:07<Sescevok>Nemoder, i didnt know that
02:07<Nemoder>Sescevok: running make install can be dangerous depending on the scripts
02:07<bakon>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5) cdbs libtorrent-dev (>= 0.11.5) libsi
02:07<bakon>dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
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02:07<bakon>dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
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02:08<Sescevok>Nemoder, if i ever want a newer version of something i always compile.....seems a hassle to go through th pain bakon is going thorugh
02:08<jm_>bakon: apt-get install debhelper cdbs libcurl4-openssl-dev libncursesw5-dev libxmlrpc-c3-dev
02:08<bakon>couldnt find the package jm_
02:09<jm_>bakon: which one?
02:09<bakon>E: Couldn't find package libcurl4-openssl-dev
02:09<jm_>ok use libcurl3-openssl-dev instead
02:09<Nemoder>Sescevok: building a deb from source IS compiling, but with the extra steps to keep it in check with the system
02:09<jm_>bakon: but we'll need to edit debian/control now
02:10<bakon> apt-get install debhelper cdbs libcurl3-openssl-dev libncursesw5-dev libxmlrpc-c3-dev
02:10<Sescevok>Nemoder, can you point me to a link or documentation to make sure i do so in the future?
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02:10<bakon>jm_: done
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02:10<Nemoder>Sescevok: it is probably safe to compile and install apps as a user, but if you do it as root there is always the potential to overwrite files without dpkg knowing about it
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02:11<bakon>yeah i am doing this as user but i su -'d in
02:11<bakon>so as root
02:11<jm_>bakon: ok now you'll first have to install libtorrent source package
02:12<bakon>jm_: ok where do I go to get that?
02:12<Nemoder>Sescevok: plus once you have a deb built you can uninstall it or reinstall it later without worrying about where the files are
02:12<Sescevok>Nemoder, i certainly appreciate the system is running exactly as i want it at the moment....but building .deb files seems like an important thing to know. Im sure i can get the info on how to do it. Thanks for the info
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02:13<bakon>jm_ libtorrent 0.11.9 is what i neec orrect?
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02:13<Sescevok>i love linux....and as much as i like the command line....beryl makes people that i show linux too impressed
02:14<bakon>wait No I should need 11.8
02:14<bakon>i love linux if I knew what I was doing
02:14<bakon>i like the control you have
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02:14<Sescevok>bakon, why do you need that version of rtorrent?
02:15<bakon>i want the new commands that are present in 0.7.7+
02:15<Sescevok>why not just use bittorrent?
02:15<Sescevok>i see
02:15<Sescevok>compile it man
02:15<bakon>heh that is a lot for me to understand I need to get a debian book
02:15<bakon>I have learned a lot this week though
02:16<jm_>bakon: no, apt-get source libtorrent10
02:16<apeitheo>bakon, how long have you been using linux?
02:16<bakon>under 1 week
02:16<bakon>but its not like 5hours/day its more like 1hour/day
02:16<bakon>so really like 8 hours
02:16<Sescevok>bakon, compiling isnt debian you should probably learn anyway
02:17<bakon>jm_: done
02:17<apeitheo>bakon, ah, good luck :)
02:17<jm_>bakon: cd into the libtorrent dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b
02:17<bakon>Sescevok: I agree but right now I just want this isntalled and I will isntall Debian again on a less improtant machine
02:17<Sescevok>bakon, i see
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02:18<bakon>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: patchutils (>= 0.2.25) libsigc++-2.0-dev
02:18<bakon>dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
02:19<Sescevok>bakon, i am sorry you are having so much trouble. linux is by far the best OS so keep at it
02:19<bakon>Sescevok: it doesn't bother me I am having problems. I am learning and that i all that matters
02:19<bakon>Sescevok: the more problems the more answers I have
02:20<manphiz>bakon: have you run 'apt-get build-dep <package>' before dpkg-buildpackage ?
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02:20<Sescevok>bakon, good.....i wish i could help you on the problem you are having but i havent tried it myself...and jm_ seems like he has more experience
02:20<bakon>manphiz: I believe so jm_ has been helpign and I believe i did that command
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02:24<jm_>bakon: install those two now
02:24<manphiz>bakon: then try install the package listed, and I hope it's not a problem to have another helper :)
02:24<jm_>bakon: we haven't installed build deps for libtorrent yet
02:25<fran>Can a Linux debian based distro run without a inittab file under /etc? I don't have any... Or it's a bad installation? Perhaps corrupted media?
02:25<bakon>jm_ i need to apt-get install patchutils: apt-get isntall libsigc++2.0-dev correct?
02:25<bakon>apt-get install patchutils; apt-get isntall libsigc++2.0-dev
02:26<Sescevok>fran, what distro/version
02:26<bakon>and I cd back into my home dir correct?
02:26<fran>Sescevok: Ubuntu 7.10 server flavour
02:27<Sescevok>fran, did you ask #ubuntu?
02:27<jm_>bakon: no, patchutils libsigc++2.0
02:27<bakon>apt-get install patchutils libsigc++2.0
02:27<bakon>E: Couldn't find package libsigc++2.0
02:28<fran>Sescevok: Tried, but everyone seem sleeping there... Anyway, sorry for bothering here
02:28<Sescevok>fran, no its not a problem
02:28<bakon>jm_: i want libsigc++-2.0-dev
02:28<Sescevok>fran, i suppose it could run....are you having problems?
02:28<bakon>jm_: Setting up libsigc++-2.0-dev (2.0.17-2) ...
02:29<jm_>bakon: no
02:29<jm_>bakon: ahh I am an idiot, yes you do - we'r ebuilding stuff
02:29<jm_>even the tools tells you you do
02:29<bakon>jm_:ok That is installed
02:30<bakon>jm_ now back into cd libtorrent then dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b
02:30<jm_>bakon: yeah (you don't need to cd out of it when installing packages using apt-get)
02:30<bakon>jm_: Ok checking signedness of mincore parameter... configure: error: failed, do *not* attempt fix this with --disable-mincore unless you are running Win32.
02:30<fran>Sescevok: Not really, but I installed a new box and I did what I normally do (Use mingetty instead of getty), so when I went on to edit /etc/inittab, it wasn't there and I just panicked :-)
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02:31<bakon>make: *** [config.status] Error 1
02:31<Sescevok>fran, ubuntu is weird.....they rearrange stuff
02:32<fran>Sescevok: Thanks for the advice :-) googling for it right now
02:32<jm_>bakon: bummer
02:32<bakon>jm_: that didnt sound good
02:33<Sescevok>bakon, jm_, may be drunk but it seems you guys are overcomplicating this
02:33<jm_>Sescevok: can you please stop?
02:34<bakon>Sescevok: the most brilliant men did their best work drunk haha
02:34<bakon>jm- sdtarted let him finish
02:34<bakon>the final product is all that matters and i am logging all of this so I will learn many methods to do 1 thing
02:34<Sescevok>jm_, stop what? u guys wanna know how to get this to work....ok give me ten minutes
02:35<bakon>I would like to finsih jm_'s way
02:35<bakon>I am sure I will have 100 more questions later
02:36<Sescevok>did you get this package?
02:37<jm_>bakon: do you see config.log in there?
02:37<Sescevok>once you get depandancies.....install that and your good
02:37<Nemoder>Sescevok: look at the dependencies for it, it won't work on etch
02:37<bakon>the dependacies were the problem
02:37<Sescevok>Nemoder, why not grab the dependancies?
02:37<bakon>jm_ yes i see config.log
02:37<bakon>btw i am in SSH no GUI
02:37<Nemoder>Sescevok: if you get the latest libc6 you'll have to upgrade pretty much everything on your system
02:38<jm_>bakon: now search for mincore in that file
02:38<bakon>jm_ one sec
02:38<Sescevok>Nemoder, just gonna stop here
02:38<Nemoder>Sescevok: not to mention trying to do that one package at a time will most likely break your system
02:38<jm_>I need to write an email to a japanese support engineer I promised on friday, my responses will probably lag a bit for next 0 minutes
02:39<bakon>Jm- : ok I have extra time I found minicore in that file
02:39<sooperkuh>morning everybody: am i seeing this right, that ftp-master is up fully now and all it takes is mirrors to catch up?
02:41<jm_>bakon: can you paste about 20 lines from it starting with "checking signedness of mincore parameter" - use some paste site
02:41<jm_>bakon: btw is this i386 release?
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02:42<bakon>jm_ How do i find that I belive so it is a Intel P4
02:42<jm_>bakon: dpkg --print-architecture
02:42<bakon>jm_ i386
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02:43<Sescevok>anyone here run beryl?
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02:46<Sescevok>nobody here runs beryl? i know its pointless eyecandy but.....anyone?
02:46<Nemoder>I run compiz-fusion now and then
02:47<Sescevok>i am very impressed with beryl
02:47<jm_>bakon: apt-get install build-essential
02:47<Sescevok>i think this is the selling point of linux
02:48<bakon>jm_ : done
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02:50<jm_>bakon: now try to build it again
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02:50<bakon>jm_: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b
02:50<bakon> right
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02:51<bakon>jm_: installing lots
02:52<Supaplex>dpkg: hurry up
02:52<dpkg>no fsck you!
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02:54<jm_>bakon: you're done, now install both packages
02:54<bakon>jm_: we have typed so many things what package would that be rtorrent and libtorrent?
02:55<jm_>bakon: cd .. ; ls *.deb
02:55<bakon>jm_: type exactly that?
02:55<bakon>that should show all the deb files gotcha
02:55<jm_>bakon: yeah
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02:56<bakon>curl_7.13.2-2sarge5_i386.deb libtorrent-dev_0.11.8-1_i386.deb rtorrent_0.7.8-1_i386.deb
02:56<bakon>libtorrent10_0.11.8-1_i386.deb linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb
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02:56<bakon>longstory about the linux image one heh
02:57<jm_>bakon: install both libtorrent packages
02:57<bakon>using dpkg -i ./package right?
02:58<jm_>yeah, no need to use ./
02:58<bakon>jm_: done
02:59<bakon>jm_: now i have rtorrent 6.4 open on 2 user accts does that matter?
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03:00<jm_>bakon: hmm probably not
03:02<bakon>jm_: what now
03:02<jm_>bakon: well proceed with rtorrent
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03:03<bakon>didnt we just fix all that?
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03:04<jm_>bakon: no, you need to build it from source!
03:04<bakon>bakon fears jm_ will disconnect and He will forever be lost with installing rotrrent haha
03:04<bakon>oh noes!
03:05<bakon>how do I do that heh
03:05<jm_>well only if our connection dies
03:05<jm_>cd into its dir again and run dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b
03:05<bakon>cd into rtorrent dir ok
03:06<bakon>jm_; haha dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.11.5) libcurl4-openssl-dev
03:06<bakon>ok so Now i would type apt-get install libcurl4?
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03:06<bakon>but only 3 is in the repository
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03:08<jm_>bakon: edit debian/control and change it to 3
03:08<bakon>jm_: haha i almost understood that
03:09<bakon>jm_: where is debian/control
03:10<jm_>bakon: that's proper path to it - just run "your editor debian/control
03:10<bakon>i dont have an editor? ive been using SCP
03:10<bakon>since there isnt a GUI
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03:10<jm_>you do, there's vi or nano or ...
03:10<bakon>yeah new commands to me
03:10<jm_>then don't use vi ;)
03:10<bakon>so nano debian/control
03:11<jm_>alternatively we'll use perl
03:11<Chump>hey guys i have a jump drive andwhen i load it into windows it has a dumb virtual cd rom it also loads wondering if there is a way in linux to zero out the whole drive so i can use every bit of my data on the drive?
03:11<jm_>Chump: what is a jump drive?
03:11<bakon>jm_: so which one perl or nano?
03:11<Supaplex>Chump: U3?
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03:11<bakon>jump drive = usb drive?
03:11<jm_>bakon: try with nano first
03:11<Chump>U3 exactly
03:12<Supaplex>Chump: U3 released a utility to do just that. it's windows only afaik
03:12<jm_>ohh jump drive is a term for USB flash drives?
03:12<bakon>jm_: so now i just find libcurl4 and change it to libcurl3?
03:12<Supaplex>jm_: brand name
03:12<jm_>bakon: yeah
03:12<jm_>Supaplex: ahh OK
03:13<bakon>jm_: how do I save and exit ctrl+x?
03:13<Chump>thanks supaplex
03:13<jm_>bakon: I don't know - doesn't it tell you on screen? back then nano used to have a list of commands at the bottom
03:13<bakon>right it says exit ^X
03:13<jm_>yeah ctrl-x it is then
03:14<bakon>ok now rety lets see
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03:14<Chump>i'll have to getinto my windows box kinda odd i figured linux would be the one to solve this for me one time this aeon its windows
03:14<bakon>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.11.5)
03:14<bakon>dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
03:14<bakon>jm_: so go back and change it to 11.8?
03:14<Nemoder>Chump: my sandisk drive just has a u3 folder, I assume deleting that would work
03:14<Nemoder>unless there is more hidden elsewhere
03:14<jm_>bakon: no, what does "dpkg -l 'libtorre*'" say?
03:15<glance>what is the eol-date for sarge?
03:15<bakon>jm_: just an ">"
03:15<Chump>Nemoder: no its lower level then that the drive is clean and its still will load the virtual cdrom
03:15<jm_>bakon: run that without " but with '
03:15<jm_>Chump: maybe check if there's a hidden partition on it
03:15<blarson>glance: Security support for one year after release of etch.
03:16<Nemoder>hm cfdisk shows 13M~ as 'free space'
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03:17<Nemoder>sneaky buggers :)
03:17<jm_>I know some feller here purged that shit from his USB stick in Linux but then it was reinstalled in Windows - he had to remove some Windows crap that was installed too ;)
03:17<Chump>jm_ if there is its not showing up in gnome parition editor
03:17<jm_>bakon: uhm reinstall libtorrent-dev .deb - it's in state U
03:18<Chump>i was just thinking about DDing the whole drive
03:18<Chump>figured that would get rid of it
03:18<bakon>jm_: dkpg -i right?
03:18<jm_>well simple fdisk would be enough, no need to dd it then
03:18<jm_>bakon: yeah
03:20<bakon>jm_: dpkg -i libtorrent-dev_0.11.8-1_i386.deb
03:20<bakon> now what?
03:21[~]Nemoder is going to dd the other way and see what else is hidden on there
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03:21<jm_>bakon: now try to build rtorrent again
03:22<bakon>jm_: i was doing that before you said it Ha! im learning
03:22<bakon>configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test.
03:22<bakon>make: *** [config.status] Error 1
03:23<jm_>bakon: did you install libxmlrpc-c3-dev? do you need xmlrpc support?
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03:23<bakon>jm_: i dont know?
03:23<bakon>jm_: i dont think i installed libx
03:23<jm_>bakon: ok so install that first
03:23<Supaplex>bakon: what package are you building? did you run apt-get build-dep <that> ?
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03:24<bakon>jm_: I cannot apt-get that I have unmet dependcaies
03:25<jdt>hi, is there a special trick to installing vmware-server on debian lenny - it bombs out compiling the vmmon module?
03:25<bakon>jm_: I have a feeling this is from waht i did earlier installing a linux image using dpkg
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03:25<jm_>bakon: it is installed, but you need to remove broken rtorrent package
03:26<bakon>jm_: how do i do that?
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03:26<jm_>bakon: dpkg -r rtorrent (keep in mind this will remove your rtorrent installation and your 6.x installation is already fubar now)
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03:26<bakon>ok I will exit it on my 2 users
03:26<jdt555>hi, is there a special trick to installing vmware-server on debian lenny - it bombs out compiling the vmmon module?
03:27<Supaplex>!tell jdt555 -about repeat
03:27<bakon>jm_: done
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03:27<jm_>jdt555: repeating your question every 30s will not make any difference
03:27<jm_>bakon: does rebuild say the same?
03:27<jdt555>jm_ my appologies, it told my my nick was reserved so I changed my name thinking that it didnt submit - I am not a repeater usually.
03:27<bakon>jm_: just said removed rotrrent
03:28<Supaplex>jdt555: vmware is not in debian. your best bet is to consult them. new kernels break vmware all the time.
03:28<bakon>(Reading database ... 38225 files and directories currently installed.)
03:28<bakon>Removing rtorrent ...
03:28<jm_>jdt555: might be worth searching the net for the same error
03:28<jm_>bakon: now rebuild your src package again
03:28<bakon>jm_: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b
03:29<bakon>w00t Im learning
03:29<bakon>only if i knew what -uc -b meant
03:29<Nemoder>man dpkg-buildpackage
03:29<bakon>jm_: same error
03:30<jm_>bakon: ok edit debian/rules and remove --with-xmlrpc-c
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03:31<bakon>jm_: done now redo ok
03:33<jm_>is it building or am I lagged?
03:34<hachi>is there a sane way to get screen to work in multiuser mode on debian?
03:34<bakon>jm_: done now what
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03:34<bakon>jm_: it is done it was building a lot
03:34<jm_>bakon: well install the deb if it has been built (ls -rt ..)
03:36<bakon>jm_ can I send you a PM?
03:37<jm_>bakon: why?
03:37<bakon>to thank you eprsonally
03:37<bakon>personally it works :)
03:37<jm_>sure, but no need to
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03:42<hachi>my go
03:42<hachi>in 1999 debian decided to make screen not setuid without actually fixing all the functionality problems
03:43<Pazzo>Hi @ll! We installed the libprce3 security upgrade last week on most of our servers. While being fine on Etch It seems that the library is broken on Sarge - we had to roll back to the old (buggy) version!
03:43<Pazzo>Can anyone here confirm this?
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03:45<Supaplex>Pazzo: what symptoms?
03:47<hachi>are the /dev/pty and related files part of UNIX98?
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03:47<hachi>I'm seeing all these things in the screen BTS reports saying things are just 'fixed' with unix98 pty support
03:47<hachi>but I can't get multiuser working
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03:49<Supaplex>hachi: as in -xr?
03:49<hachi>screen -r [username]/
03:49<hachi>-x is shared screen
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03:49<hachi>multiuser is the name of the thing I'm talking about in all the docs
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03:50<hachi>there seems to be no documentation of the decision to sac multiuser mode on debian
03:51<hachi>but it doesn't work... so I can't tell if this is a local problem that I can solve somehow or a global problem
03:51<hachi>there appears to be an article that I might want to read ong
03:51<hachi>however it's down
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03:53<hachi>debian description says it supports it
03:54<Pazzo>Supaplex: preg_* in PHP doesn't behave correct / fails completely
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03:56<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... it sure seems to support multiuser; you have turned it on, right?
03:57<hachi>I did the following as user 'lj'
03:57<hachi>screen -dm
03:57<hachi>screen -X multiuser on
03:57<hachi>screen -X acladd hachi
03:57<hachi>and then as hachi I tried screen -r lj/
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03:57<hachi>Must run suid root for multiuser support.
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03:58<hachi>I can chmod this, yes
03:58<hachi>but then next time I upgrade it's just gonna switch it back on me
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03:58<dondelelcaro>so dpkg-statoverride to make it setuid root.
03:58<dondelelcaro>man dpkg-statoverride for details.
03:58<hachi>why don't they mention this in the screen docs dir
03:58<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... they do?
03:59<hachi>also, is this how you did that?
03:59<dondelelcaro>"Q: Multiuser mode is not working - how can I enable it?"
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03:59<dondelelcaro>I don't use multiuser mode.
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04:00<hachi>hachi@longjournal:/usr/share/doc/screen$ zgrep 'Multiuser' *
04:00<hachi>no matches
04:00<hachi>where are you reading that?
04:00<dondelelcaro>hachi: in README.Debian, of course.
04:00<hachi>no matches
04:00<dondelelcaro>well, it's documented there now
04:00<jm_>it's not in Etch though
04:01<dondelelcaro>could be
04:01<hachi>can you paste me the answer?
04:01<hachi>cause it's not there in mine
04:01<dondelelcaro>I gave you the answer already; it's use dpkg-statoverride
04:01<hachi>I'm reading about dpkg-statoverride
04:01<hachi>but I want to read the text
04:01<hachi>I'm sure the answer doesn't say "use dpkg-statoverride"
04:02<hachi>I'm willing to bet it says more
04:02<hachi>more than two words anyways
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04:02<dondelelcaro>oh, it's way more verbose than that, but that's what it boils down to.
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04:03<hachi>can you just paste me the text? you had it open
04:04<hachi>in order for me to get to the text I have to download the package and crack it open myself
04:04<hachi>which means that I have figure out the flag to dpkg to make it extract files
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04:04<dondelelcaro>these are all really useful skills to learn, but you can just read the diff.gz if you want.
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04:05<jm_>or use mc if you're lazy :)
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04:05<hachi>for christs sake, did I not say please?
04:05<hachi>can you please paste me the answer so I may read it without dicking about to get at it?
04:06<hachi>if there was a way to read the file on the package system I'd look there, but I can't
04:06<dondelelcaro>there is, actually, but
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04:06<dondelelcaro>and harassing me to provide files for you isn't particularly endearing
04:06<dondelelcaro>ask once, don't ask again.
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04:07<hachi>thank you
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05:11<abe>someone knows how i have to type the mx hostname in dyndns?
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05:15<flami>can you get a mx record in dyndns ?
05:15<flami>i never saw one
05:15<abe>when you setup your account, there a email routing option
05:16<abe>there you can set a mx record
05:16<flami>well if you have a mailserver set the mx record to your mailservers IP
05:16<petemc>erm, no
05:16<abe>thats the problem
05:16<petemc>a mc record is an A record
05:16<flami>you write IN MX
05:16<flami>IN A 123.456.123.456
05:18<abe>i read that, but i dont really underestand, the A record is this ""?
05:18<abe>and i am trying to set a mail server in my pc with exim4
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05:19<flami>well the A record tells people the ip of the domain . and te mx tells where to send the mail to
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05:21<flami>abe youre most likely be banned on blacklists im afraid . Spamhaus blocks a lot of dynamic ranges
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05:21<abe>yes i read that, but is homework
05:22<flami>soo well basically you need a mailserver ( postfix is my choice ) an a MX record
05:22<flami>then youre good to go
05:23<flami>so id make the mx record on your dyndns . like IN MX
05:23<flami>i have to go now
05:23<abe>thanks anyway
05:24<petemc>why not read up on how it all works?
05:24<petemc>rather than getting people to do your homework for you
05:24<abe>i am do it that all night long
05:25<abe>but there's a lot of things that i don't understand
05:25<abe>even reading about
05:25<abe>and i don't really speak english
05:26<petemc>well, you've been told a MX record is an A record
05:26<petemc>what more do you need to know?
05:27<abe>don't bother
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05:28<petemc>thats the spirit
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05:30<abe>is fun have a channel to says people, go to google
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05:30<zl2tod>abe, your MX record points at an A record which points at an IP number
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05:37<abe>thanks zl2tod, i understand that. my question is i can use my same as mxrecord if my mailserver is in my pc
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05:40<zl2tod>that should work, but it would depend on exactly how dyndns is built
05:40<zl2tod>I don't suppose dyndns lets you define
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05:42<abe>there's a how to in the page, i uderstand, but anything that i type have a warning. so i was looking for some examples
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05:45<zl2tod>google the warning
05:46<abe>MX should resolve to A or AAAA record. :P
05:46<abe>yeah i understand that
05:47<Supaplex>cnames are eeeeeeevil
05:48<abe>a, mx, cname, nx
05:48<abe>i was reading all about that
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05:56<Supaplex>I think I'll go count the dots on the insides of my eye lids.
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06:05<DTE>hi all
06:05<DTE>i have some performance problem with a hp P200 raid 5
06:05<DTE>i heard about stripe align
06:06<DTE>but i don't get how to set it
06:07<padski>DTE: man mkfs.ext3 look for stride
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06:08<riboflavin>how can i change video ouput for totem?
06:08<DTE>padski: i read and i tried but i got even more poor performance
06:08<DTE>i was reading something on internet but got more confusion
06:08<DTE>and i read people don't use lvm on a raid 5/6 because of the stripe align
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06:12<padski>DTE: what size are the stripes ?
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06:15<DTE>now i wanted to try to set them to 256k as i read somewhere
06:15<DTE>but this stupid controller cannot do it from bios
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06:25<padski>DTE: you read
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06:26<padski>DTE: I can't immediately think what the problem would be with HM LVM on RAID5. I use it, but I have never bothered to tune that for performance.
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06:27<DTE>padski: actually me too...but if i get 20mb/s it's a bit too slow
06:27<DTE>i found out that on the 3ware controller people are getting 400mb/s..i get 170mb/s
06:28<padski>DTE: can you use hdparm on this array to test sequential read and write throughput ?
06:28<DTE>hdparm on a sdx disk?
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06:28<padski>DTE: hence it being a question :-)
06:29<DTE>anyway i'm trying to re-install the whole system
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06:29<DTE>is there a way with the debian installer to specify more mkfs options?
06:30<jm_>maybe in expert mode
06:31<DTE>expert mode is not by giving expert at the boot?
06:33<jm_>yeah should be
06:34<DTE>then i'm in expert mode but nothing change...expept it asked me which partition table to use
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06:35<jm_>then you'll have to do it on tty2
06:37<saudi-linux>is there any website that provides a fine debian testing sources.list ???
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06:41<DTE>ok...i'm trying with -b 4096 -E stride=16
06:41<DTE>let's see
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06:48<themill>thanks, Maulkin
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07:05<DTE>uhm...something strange
07:05<DTE>why do i have rootfs mounted as root??
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07:38<lucas_amorim>hello, how do I tell my system to shutdown after 7600 seconds? I am trying "shutdown -h -t 7600" but it is not working... It shows the help message
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07:39<jm_>sleep 7600 ; shutdown -h now or use cron/at
07:40<lucas_amorim>ok.. I will try. But I remember I once did it using only the shutdown command
07:41<lucas_amorim>thanks :)
07:41<jm_>let me see
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07:47<jm_>ahh of course, -t is something different
07:47<jm_>shutdown +120 for example
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08:01<sheldonh>what does "Couldn't set pass-filter in kernel: Bad file descriptor" from pppd mean? i'm not using active-filter or pass-filter in my pppd options. this is one link in a multilink bundle
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08:06<jm_>interesting, googling for that error shows people with the error in the log but they have a working connection
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08:07<pleb2>How do i give myself access to the USB file system, i figured i would use adduser username usbusers but i have no group called that :'(
08:07<jm_>!wyattd pleb2
08:07<jm_>!wayttd pleb2
08:07<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, pleb2?
08:08<pleb2>I'm trying to get my usb's working for my guest machine using Virtualbox,
08:08<pleb2>it says "On Linux hosts, VirtualBox accesses USB devices on Linux through the usbfs file system. Therefore, the user executing VirtualBox needs read and write permission to the USB file system"
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08:08<jm_>you can mount it with given uid
08:09<jm_>and/or mode
08:09<pleb2>jm_ explain?
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08:10<jm_>pleb2: man mount, search for usbfs
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08:12<leleobhz>the debian way to install jre still with make-jpkg?
08:12<pleb2>jm_ how would i change the default uid etc/
08:12<sheldonh>jm_: i get it when the leased line has errors, pppd decides the link is down, and them some time later manages to reconnect. at that point, the link doesn't get added to the mlppp bundle, and i get nasty "bad file descriptor" error messages :)
08:13<sheldonh>jm_: google suggests that not many people are trying to produce 24Mbps pipes using farsync cards and linux pppd :)
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08:14<jm_>pleb2: fstab
08:14<jm_>leleobhz: no
08:14<pleb2>jm_: isnt fstab only applicable at bootup??
08:15<jm_>sheldonh: hmm I'll check my logs to see if I also see that
08:15<jm_>pleb2: no
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08:15<pleb2>jm_: oki :)
08:15<pleb2>jm_: Thanks
08:15<sheldonh>jm_: thanks, dude
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08:15<gsimmons_>!tell leleobhz -about install java
08:16<nowhere_man>pleb2: see the mount and fstab manpages, it's explained in there
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08:17<leleobhz>gsimmons_: but the java today isnt free?
08:17<leleobhz>(free == open licence)
08:17<vsayikiran>i dont have write permissions for vfat partition, does anyone know what the solution is?
08:17<jm_>vsayikiran: no
08:17<vsayikiran>i have tried to change the permissions but i get a message permission denied
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08:18<vsayikiran>does linux kernel 2.6.18 support writing to a vfat patition
08:18<jm_>!tell vsayikiran -about vfatrw
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08:19<leleobhz>gsimmons_: and another - have no way to use java6?
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08:37<bharath79in>anybody is there
08:37<user01>when will nautilus 2.20 be available in testing? the other one in testing is buggy
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08:38<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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08:40<bharath79in>i am using a linux flavour by name BOSS
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08:41<bharath79in>i am facing lot of problems in installing and running VoIP chat.
08:41<jm_>bharath79in: this is about Debian only
08:42<bharath79in>BOSS linux is also based on debian only.
08:43<jm_>!based on debian
08:43<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
08:43<user01>padski, thanks
08:44<gsimmons_>bharath79in: You'd want #BOSS-nrcfoss on See also <>.
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08:45<user01>padski, was wondering because i had submitted bug and i got a message back to update, but i had the most up to date for testing
08:45<jm_>it's not unusual to request to install stuff form unstable
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08:48<user01>jm_, right but based on the amount of things that need to be fixed for mine to work in testing i can wait
08:49<user01>it would be cool if i could just just do stable and keep upgrading the kernel
08:49<jm_>you can do that easily
08:50<user01>jm_, does it risk breaking?
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08:51<jm_>user01: naah, use kernels from backports
08:51<user01>i chose testing only because it had built in drivers in the newer kernel
08:51<jm_>user01: if you mean using stuff from unstable, then yes, it can be problematic
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08:52<user01>that might be a better option then, kernels from backports didnt think of that
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08:53<sheldonh>jm_: did you mean "i'll look out for it in the future and say if i saw them if i see you online another day"? :)
08:53<shaun_s>Hello Friends
08:53<shaun_s>This is shaun here
08:53<shaun_s>Can anyone help ne with a devian issue
08:54<shaun_s>can anyone help me with a debian issue ?
08:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:54<jm_>sheldonh: yeah sorry, I'll look at it at home where I use PPP (I'm at work now)
08:54<sheldonh>cool, thanks
08:54<shaun_s>Thank you dpkg
08:54<dpkg>no worries, shaun_s
08:55<paistis>Hi i have problem to mount usb hard-drive with xfs filesystem, dmesg says XFS: bad version XFS; SB validate failed, i'm runing on sid and 2.6.23-rc9 kernel
08:56<shaun_s>I will just back within an hour
08:56<shaun_s>the boss is calling
08:56<noflash>shaun_sm dpkg is a bot...don't be too worried about the social issues and just ask your debian related question
08:56<shaun_s>thank you friends
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09:05<hechicero>buenos dias
09:05<hechicero>alguien habla español?
09:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:07<Solver>wow dpkg sure has a full selection of responses :)
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09:14<pleb2>how do i find out my group id numbers??
09:14<cahoot>pleb2: less /etc/group
09:14<pleb2>thanks :)
09:14<saudi-linux>hello every one could any one tell me how to localize my debian
09:15<saudi-linux>i have a debian testing fresh install
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09:15<cahoot>saudi-linux: already run dpkg-reconfigure locales?
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09:18<saudi-linux>cahoot i did that but when I choose my locales it give a message "locale alias file `/usr/share/locale/locale.alias' not found: No such file or directory"
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09:27<m_g>hey guys
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09:28<m_g>i set my grub up to fallback to another kernel if the default kernel doesn't boot. would you mind having a look at my config to see if i have done it correctly?
09:28<m_g>otherwise i would only find it out if it doesn't work, something i want to avoid :)
09:28<cahoot>saudi-linux: don't know why that's so - it's present here on my from etch upgraded lenny
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09:34<m_g>another question.. how do i get the default debian .config from my system?
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09:35<padski>m_g: suggest you do actually test it.
09:35<m_g>padski, it's a remote machine.. would be painful if it doesn't
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09:36<cahoot>m_g: it's /boot/config-$(uname -r)
09:36<padski>m_g: sure, test on a machine you have physical access to :-)
09:36<m_g>cahoot, cool, thanks :)
09:36<m_g>padski, to be honest i'm not using linux locally :)
09:37<m_g>but i used to
09:37<cahoot>m_g: presuming you meant the kernel config
09:37<m_g>cahoot, yep exactly
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09:37<padski>m_g: boot a vm
09:37<m_g>*hides* i don't have a wm
09:38<padski>m_g: although, to be fair, I'm grasping straws there :-)
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09:38<m_g>actually it's a pretty straightforward configuration in grub, but i feel better if someone double-checks it
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09:41<padski>m_g: you'd be as well to paste as to ask for permission ...
09:41<m_g>padski, ok, i'll do
09:41<padski>!ops kick PORNO please
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09:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: kick PORNO please
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09:41<JasonS>padski: should tell them why as well
09:41<Solver>wow I haven't seen anyone disrupt a channel in years
09:41<Solver>must be the channels I hang out in :)
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09:42<padski>JasonS: one day I'll get it right
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09:42<Solver>padski: :)
09:42<JasonS>however it did work so... :)
09:43<m_g>my grub config is here: what i expect do to it (just example kernels, no real use now): boot kernel 2.6.22-2 (it does, i tried it), if that kernel fails boot the next 2.6.22-2 package, if that fails boot the old 2.6.18-5 kernel
09:44<padski>I thought about trying to classify the problem for a split-second, and then decided my message contained suffucient information :-)
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09:48<padski>m_g: are you planning to run kernel upgrades on that ?
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09:49<m_g>padski, yes.. when i upgrade the kernel i will replace the first entry with the link to the new kernel
09:49<m_g>hola rootweiller
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09:55<m_g>padski, you don't know if it will work, do you? :)
09:55<padski>m_g: I'm aware of the mechanism but I don't have anything in production doing that myself. I assume you reset default to 0 after boot is ok ?
09:55<lontra>what do i need to play .wav?
09:56<padski>m_g: or something like that ...
09:56<lontra>well i have amarok do i need a special package isntalled?
09:57<m_g>padski, yep exactly.. i set it to 0 and rebooted and it successfully booted the first kernel, but of course i don't know what would have happened if the first kernel had failed
09:57<cahoot>amarok doesn't handle it by default?
09:59<lontra>cahoot: it doesn't seem to ... it's was burned from a friend's itunes collection
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10:00<cahoot>lontra: does aplay run it?
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10:06<rafael>hello people
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10:10<anssik>Hello, I have accidentally corrupted my /bin/ps and /bin/ls, where to find sources for them?
10:10<anssik>Or what to do?
10:11<anssik>uname -a: Linux XXXXX #2 Fri Aug 4 13:55:13 EDT 2006 x86_64
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10:13<padski>anssik: how do you manage something like that ? :-)
10:14<anssik>accidentally put some wrong core utils from a 32 bit version to my x86_64 version
10:17<apeitheo>padski, well I suppose you could just download the correct coreutils deb package and extract the file and copy over ls
10:17<apeitheo>not sure which package contains ls
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10:18<apeitheo>padski, procps for ps
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10:19<padski>apeitheo: I expect you could do it that way ;-)
10:20<apeitheo>padski, ah oops, what I wrote to you should have been written to anssik, haha
10:20<apeitheo>anssik, try what I told padski :)
10:21<anssik>trying apt-get --reinstall install coreutils
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10:22<anssik>ls fixed
10:22<anssik>but ps is still not working
10:22<apeitheo>anssik, apt-get --reinstall install procps
10:22<sheldonh>i can't see how debian's startup scripts for asterisk-1.4.11 allow me to bump MAXFILES without hacking the init script
10:22<apeitheo>I wasn't sure if it was a good idea to reinstall coreutils like that, but I guess it worked :)
10:23<anssik>thanks , ps fixed
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10:23<anssik>but login is still corrupted, that should be the last :)
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10:25<sheldonh>even if i tell the debian startup script to use the safe_asterisk wrapper, it still runs it as root, which causes it to do nothing with ulimit -n
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10:26<sheldonh>ah, i missed an else *blush*
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10:37<m_g>guys, i copied the kernel config of my current debian kernel to /usr/src/linux-, then i ran make-kpkg kernel-image and installed that package. it installed the vmlinuz file but no initrd.img, can that be correct?
10:38<cahoot>if you didn't tell it to make an initrd
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10:39<m_g>cahoot, i didn't.. so it has compiled everything that's needed into the vmlinuz file?
10:39<cahoot>m_g: I'd guess you have lots of modules compiled and installed
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10:40<m_g>so i specify the kernel without an initrd /boot/.... line in menu.lst, ok?
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10:41<cahoot>m_g: using debians kernelconfig straight inferes a lot of modules you probably won't need -but ..
10:41<m_g>cahoot, that's ok, it's my first try just to see if it works :)
10:42<cahoot>m_g: rarely any need for initrd if you do a custom kernel
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10:42<rcatwood>latex: apt-installing latex-beamer (lenny/sid) wants to require about 500 Mb of dependencies that are not actualy necessary it seems to me .. I installed manually from CTAN instead without anywhere near that amount of packages
10:43<m_g>cahoot, thanks and cross your thumbs for me :-)
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10:45<netman1>Hi All. I'm looking for a decent IRC client in Debian with a) a distinct colour for the messages entered by each participant, b) the possibility to suppress 'has joined' and 'has quit'. Any suggestions?
10:46<cahoot>one color for each nick?
10:46<netman1>cahoot: Please. Gaim can do it, but can suppress 'has joined' etc.
10:46<cahoot>sounds like a visual mess
10:47<berto>specially if you're in channels with >50 people
10:47<netman1>cahoot: On the contrary, is very helpfull in following multiple conversations.
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10:47<netman1>cahoot: Guess it's a featurea everyone judges differently ;-)
10:48<cahoot>netman1: ok - my limited experience is irssi and xchat - doubt any of those will suit you
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10:52<m_g>hm, seems the grub fallback option didn't work out
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11:06<rcatwood>what shoudl be the correct forum to discuss if I think some package dependencies are excessive
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11:10<patricio>rcatwood: what r u trying to install?
11:11<Solver>rcatwood: and are you using aptitude or apt-get
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11:11<Solver>aptitude pulls in recommend by default
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11:17<brokencycle>Hi! I'd like to know how to "easily" set quotas on users' gaming. Esp. I'd like to prevent my half-grown from using all his time for gaming, but instead give him, say, two hours of gaming per week which he can use at his discretion. I may be inclined to extend this to other application groups as well. I'd like to avoid just forcibly shutting down or uninstalling the games from the computer in question. Any ideas on how to best implemen
11:17<brokencycle>t this?
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11:18<rcatwood>patricio: latex-beamer using apt-get
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11:21<rcatwood>patricio , Solver : somehow it winds up depending upon seems like all possible fonts which give ~500 Mb , but I don't need ALL possible fonts.
11:22<patricio>rcatwood: what kernel you running?
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11:22<themill>netman1: konversation can do all that (it colours the nick line per user, but not the entire message)
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11:23<lafayette>sorry for the very basic question : I can't manage to get loadkeys command working with the input of a locate command output. I tried a pipe, but doesn't work
11:23<rcatwood>patricio: custom 2-6-21 I build, but what does kernel have to do with latex-beamer and latex fonts :/
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11:23<lafayette>I wrote: locate "" | head -n1 | loadkeys
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11:24<patricio>rcatwood: you said 500 meg of fonts right?
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11:25<rcatwood>patricio: total of about 500 meg of packages tagged as requried, I THINK that most of it is due to fonts, lots of packages are called like texlive-lang-mongolian
11:26<themill>rcatwood: you can use --without-recommends or similar; they're not hard dependencies
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11:30<rcatwood>hmm. On website packages.debian it seems like (red ball) dependecy not (green diamond) recommends ? Sorry this computer is not the same one , I'll try later at home.
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11:32<rcatwood>latex-beamer -> tetex-extra -> pstricks but then all lang- and fonts-extra gets included too (red ball) ?
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11:32<marian> /server
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11:34<sheldonh>i'm worried pppd is broken. if i kill a slave pppd process in an mlppp bundle, the entire bundle dies, even though it's not the one that created the bundle. in fact, at the time i kill it, it's not even added to the bundle (since it has no established link)
11:34<rcatwood>but I think pstricks is all that's needed from there ? BTW I already worked around by installing from directly CTAN
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11:34<spanther> <-- please help
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11:36<jthomas>can anyone tell me what this is? ide0(3,1)
11:36<jthomas>is it the third partition? first?
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11:39<Nikopol>saludos a todos
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11:40<sheldonh>hrm... i need a null device to test this with
11:40<thrasher>how many of the install cds do i have to have to get debian with kde up and runnin?
11:40[~]brokencycle is away: I'm away.
11:41<sheldonh>no, a loopback device. shit, i don't really know what i need. something i can connect two pppd's to
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11:43<sheldonh>is there a kernel driver that will give me two character devices in /dev, each one's input connected to the other's output?
11:43<gsimmons_>spanther: "cat /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper". Provided the file exists with alias line added, your last command worked as requested.
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11:44<jthomas>no one knows what this is? ide0(3,1)
11:44<Nikopol>hi all
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11:45<m_g>guys, i compiled my kernel using these steps: copy /boot/config-2.6.22-2-amd64 to my kernel tree .config. the config is that of the debian kernel i'm currently using. then i did make oldconfig;make-kpkg kernel-image;dpkg -i ../theimage.deb and added the entry to my grub menu.lst. however, the kernel didn't boot. what could be the causes for this?
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11:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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11:48<david>I need some help ?
11:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:48<m_g>i don't know
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11:49<nicolas>J'ai un problème avec ma wifi :s
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11:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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11:50<Guest405>ok I have an issue with permitions with my hard drives. How do I set up parmition to write ?
11:50<petemc>parition? what filesystem?
11:50<petemc>gah, partition
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11:51<Guest405>I can't spell lol
11:52<Guest405>thats what I ment
11:52<petemc>understood, what filesystem is it?
11:52<petemc>chown the mount point
11:53<Guest405>its mounted
11:53<petemc>chown user:user /where/its/mounted
11:53<Guest405>ooo ok let me try
11:54<petemc>replace user with a valid username
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11:55<kevjava>Anybody know much about sleep? I have a Thinkpad Z61t that sleeps fine with a `sudo s2ram -f`, but the gnome power manager gives me the failure message.
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11:56<Guest405>wow thank you
11:56<Guest405>do the same with root?
11:57<Guest405>to mount the hard drives?
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11:59<Guest405>i have this error
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12:00<Guest405>changing ownership of `/sd/drivers': Operation not permitted
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12:00<Guest405>what does that mean
12:00<kevjava>You have to be root to do that, apparently.
12:01<Guest405>ooo ok
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12:03<Guest405>so then put sudo in fron of the command?
12:03<kevjava>Guest405: Yes, that should work, if you've put yourself in the /etc/sudoers file.
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12:04<Guest405>mmmmm ok maybe I should just log in to root or should I change my user name to the group root?
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12:05<Guest405>brb and also for some reason my samba server is not working the way I want it to
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12:12<david_>im still having that same issue can I just format it and start from scratch?
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12:13<kevjava>david_: what issue would that be?
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12:14<sheldonh>aha! vmware is my friend
12:14<david_>I was guest 405
12:14<kevjava>Ahh, missed the name change.
12:15<david_>issue would be permissions with 1 hard drive but can I format it start over?
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12:15<kevjava>So you can't write as your normal user to files on this hard drive?
12:15<kevjava>What format is it?
12:15<kevjava>(e.g. fat32, ext3, etc.)
12:15<djfm>if I create a thread with pthread_create am I sure that bth the calling and the created thread will get roughly the same amount of CPU time or are there some functions that cannot be "cut" easily to allow 50/50 cpu time?
12:16<kevjava>Ahh, I see.
12:16<djfm>sorry wrong channel :)
12:16<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
12:16<david_>the permissionss for the other hard drives with the chown user:user /where/its/mounted but the vfat is a partition
12:17<david_>where do i put that line?
12:17<kevjava>witte: That's the info I was looking for. Thanks.
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12:17<sooperkuh>witte: i am impressed by both the bot and your memorizing all the commands
12:17<kevjava>david_: That line goes in /etc/fstab.
12:18<witte>sooperkuh: :-); I had to try a few in a personal conversation with the bot ;-)
12:18<witte>sooperkuh: but i think they are somewhere online
12:18<david_>u mean "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
12:18<david_>all that
12:18<sooperkuh>seems the conversation was very substantial ;)
12:19<witte>david_: you put it in /etc/fstab
12:19<witte>sooperkuh: every day before I go to sleep, I try to memorise 5 new dpkg commands :P
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12:20<Elprado>hi to all
12:20<Elprado>Ther are italian?
12:21<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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12:21<Elprado>thank you very much!
12:22<sooperkuh>you are welcome!
12:22<Elprado>see you
12:22<Elprado>proprio in ita
12:22<Elprado>è che sono nuovo del mondo di linux
12:22<Elprado>ho installato ubuntu 7.10
12:22<Elprado>comunque è da paura
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12:22<sooperkuh>sorry, elprado I don't speak italian
12:22<Nikopol>hi again, I have a question... what can I use to get images from canon mp370?
12:22<Headshot_Magnet>does someone known how to install mplayer-plugin in debian? there is no deb package, I installed the rpm tru alien, but didn't work
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12:23<witte>!tell Headshot_Magnet about dmm
12:23<Elprado>but if you say "CIAO" to me i think you speak italian!!! Sorry! Good Bye and Thank you again!!!
12:24<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
12:24<witte>Nikopol: I think you should have a look if it suported by gphoto2
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12:24<Headshot_Magnet>What the ferret is dmm?
12:24<david_>did not work
12:24<sooperkuh>Nikopol: does that help?
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12:25<witte>Headshot_Magnet: dpkg should have told you about debian-multimedia
12:26<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
12:26<Headshot_Magnet>Ty dpkg, you rule!
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12:27<witte>dpkg: you rule
12:27<dpkg>somebody said rule was a twatty word used by yanks
12:27<r3k13m>hello, I'm compiling mplayer, and I've seen I need "libconfhelper-perl" and it's look like there isn't on lenny, is necessary that lib?
12:27<Nikopol>sooperkuh, thanks dude but... i can print, but.. i want get images from scanner
12:28<witte>mmm, still have to learn a bit more about the dpkg usage :-)
12:28<sooperkuh>this is a scanner driver
12:28<bzed>r3k13m: don't do tha ton your own, just use the packages form dmm
12:28<sooperkuh>the backend is called "pixma"
12:28<bzed>!tell r3k13m about dmm
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12:29<r3k13m>bzed, I have installed that mplayer, but I am having problems whith that mplayer
12:29<bzed>r3k13m: which problems?
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12:29<david_>how to i format a partition
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12:29<Headshot_Magnet>How cute! I just had to apt-get install mozilla-mplayer!
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12:30<r3k13m>bzed, if i tried to open a video from nautilus will not do it, but if I open mplayer and open it from mplayer will do it
12:30<bzed>r3k13m: are you sure nautilus uses mpayer? usually it does not
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12:31<r3k13m>bzed, I think, right click--open with mplayer
12:31<bzed>r3k13m: if only the right-click stuff does not work - a recompile will not help
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12:32<kevjava>david_: use mkfs.vfat for vfat, or mkfs.ext3 for ext3.
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12:32<bzed>r3k13m: if it plays the video normally, you need to fi that rightclick stuff, which is an ugliness in gnome, and nothing mplayer can do anything against (well probably it can, the package registers itself somewhere there... but still nothign to fix with a simple recompile)
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12:33<r3k13m>bzed, ok, (I can use totem for that) but anyway I have some problems to play videos from stage6
12:34<Headshot_Magnet>dpkg: asl?
12:34<dpkg>headshot_magnet, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level
12:35<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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12:37<bzed>r3k13m: you can try if gmplayer works better for you if you want to start it from the menu
12:37<david_>kevhava: do u mean mkfs /dev/hda5 .vfat -m /sd/drivers
12:37<bzed>r3k13m: probably mplayer just fails for some reason, but you can't see the output due to not having an open shell
12:38<kevjava>david_: you're trying to format your partition vfat?
12:38<r3k13m>ok bzed thak you
12:40<david_>n I want to mount it as well
12:40<kevjava>I think you just mkfs.vfat /dev/[whatever]. Do a man mkfs.vfat for all the options.
12:40<david_>no just 1 partion
12:41<david_>invalit blocks count
12:41<kevjava>Your partition would be /dev/sda2 or whatever, right?
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12:45<david_>I htink I got it lol
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12:45<kevjava>If you do a `mkfs.vfat /dev/hda5`, then it will format that partition. Then, you can mount it with `mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/[mountpoint]`.
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12:47<david_>ok I formated but for some reason the permissions
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12:47<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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12:48<Eulex>david_, vfat has no permissions. instead, you set them when you mount it.
12:48<shze>i tried to suspend to disk with qemu running (on up to date lenny), and i got results from everything working after resume, to complete hang
12:48<shze>any ideas to get this working?
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12:53<shze>can i ask elsewhere about my qemu problem?
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12:59<david_>if I have gui how do I change the screen rez because it's not working with my 20 inch
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13:01<cahoot>davi: the traditional way would be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:01<cahoot>david_: ^
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13:04<david_>that would be in commant line?
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13:08<david_>thanks you again lol
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13:17<Guest416>does anyone know what can i do when i compile a kernel and when it's booting it stop and say uniform cdrom driver revision:3.20
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13:25<sooperkuh>Guest416: the next line when I look at my dmesg is the one where my hard disks are probed. Maybe a disk driver problem?
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13:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:28<Hyuuga>sala num tem papo n
13:28<Hyuuga>alguem aew
13:28<Headshot_Magnet>You read the bot. Piss off
13:28<Hyuuga>ta na okaeri
13:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:29<Maulkin>Hyuuga: --> #debian-br
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13:29<Solver>ouch :)
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13:34<eBug>has anyone any experience wrt exim recipient callouts ?
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13:35<ReedWood>The new debian installer is able to create encrypted partitions. Where can I what mechanisms are used?
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13:38<jrolland-iBook>When I try to ssh into my debian box, I sometimes get the error "Permission denied (publickey,password)."; does anyone have any idea why?
13:38<jrolland-iBook>I have openssh from etch installed
13:38<Vanye>Haven't read it, but there should be a disk encryption HOWTO in the /usr/doc/HOWTO dir.
13:39<Maulkin>ReedWood: dm-crypt or loop-AES
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13:41<jrolland-iBook>I had heard it was an md5 encrytion thing
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13:42<jrolland-iBook>I tried at one point downloading the debian source for openssh, adding "--with-md5" to the install option and using dbuild
13:42<ReedWood>Maulkin: thank you
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13:42<ReedWood>Maulkin: can I choose?
13:42<jrolland-iBook>Then I got the error "Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-
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13:43<Maulkin>ReedWood: yup, I think so
13:43<Maulkin>ReedWood: you may need to boot the installer with 'expert' though
13:43<Maulkin>Can't remember fully
13:43<ReedWood>Maulkin: any ecommendation
13:43<ReedWood>Maulkin: sorry: recommendation?
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13:44<Maulkin>ReedWood: none :)
13:44<ReedWood>Maulkin: OK :)
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13:45<Maulkin>ReedWood: basically, use dm-crypt
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13:45<ReedWood>Maulkin: thanks
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13:53<michi>moin moin
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13:54<schmichael>is it possible to setup raid1 using 2 dissimilar IDE drives if i make identical partitions on each one?
13:54<ifvoid>schmichael: yes
13:54<schmichael>and if so, can anyone point me to a good howto? :)
13:54<Maulkin>schmichael: yup
13:54<schmichael>ifvoid, Maulkin: <3
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13:54<ifvoid>schmichael: it goed exactly the same as when you're using 2 identical disks
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13:54<ifvoid>schmichael: no need for special howtos
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13:55<schmichael>i'm trying to help a friend set this up remotely, so i'm sorry if i'm vague :-/
13:55<ifvoid>just substitute the correct devices, of course
13:55<schmichael>he was getting some sort of partition error in gparted after creating the md0 device
13:55<schmichael>so he couldn't format and use md0
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13:56<schmichael>er... you need to put a filesystem on it right?
13:57[~]schmichael is stupid
13:57<ifvoid>you put md on the raw partitions
13:57<schmichael>oh right
13:57<ifvoid>and then lvm on the md
13:57<schmichael>why lvm on md?
13:57<ifvoid>and then an fs in the logical volume
13:57<ifvoid>schmichael: nice and flexible
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13:57<schmichael>i don't really need flexible
13:58<schmichael>just a nice big blank ext3 fs on md0 :D
13:58<ifvoid>well, you could also put an fs directly in the md0, I guess
13:58<ifvoid>yeah, should work
13:58<schmichael>chris_pitzer: remember what that partition error you were seeing was?
13:58<schmichael>ifvoid: chris_pitzer is my friend trying to get this setup
13:59<chris_pitzer>you-guys: hi
13:59<chris_pitzer>schmichael: um... it was saying something allong the lines of data missing in some array regarding the partition...
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14:00<chris_pitzer>sorry - it was like 4 days ago... I don't remember off hand...
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14:00<chris_pitzer>but the general idea was...
14:00<chris_pitzer>1 - i format the drives
14:00<chris_pitzer>2 - I tell debian to raid the drives
14:00<chris_pitzer>3 - debian slaps me and I go home crying.
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14:01<ifvoid>cahoot: no, don't format the drives
14:01<cahoot>I won't
14:01<schmichael>debhelper killed him
14:01<ifvoid>cahoot: hehe, mistab
14:02<ifvoid>schmichael: anyway, there should be no fs on the partition
14:02<schmichael>i'm guessing he's installing ubuntu right about now :P
14:02<cahoot>thanks for the concern though ;)
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14:02<schmichael>ifvoid: there wasn't....
14:02<ifvoid>20:00 <chris_pitzer> 1 - i format the drives
14:02<ifvoid>what does he mean by that then?
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14:04<chris_pitzer>ug... sorry - i'm used to "shift + enter" staying as one post - didn't mean to spam.
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14:05<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: mwa, the bot was just a little bit too enthousiastic
14:05<Gugla>anyone here?
14:05<ifvoid>Gugla: nope
14:05<Gugla>hmm cant see the ppl in the room.. anyways if there is quick question
14:05<Gugla>ok anyways anyone know where the irc channel for Alsa is..
14:05<Gugla>what server atleast.
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14:06<ifvoid>freenode, I guess
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14:06<Gugla>bloody sound doesnt work anymore upgraded from debian and it just shut off..
14:06<Gugla>headphones work.
14:06<Gugla>is there a debian help channel..
14:06<ifvoid>Gugla: no, no debian help channel in sight
14:07<jrolland-iBook>Gulga: this is it
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14:07<Gugla>oh cool
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14:08<Gugla>anyone had the same issue.. just the sound turned off but headphones still worked?
14:08<chris_pitzer>so - anyone have a simple step by step for setting up software raid 1 on two hard drives (that I'm NOT booting off of)? (drives are nearly identical, but not quite)
14:08<ifvoid>when did that happen?
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14:08<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: just put a single parition on both of them (same size)
14:08<Gugla>about 5 days ago
14:08<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: and put the raid on that
14:08<ifvoid>Gugla: no I mean, what did you do?
14:08<Gugla>just restarted.... and boom.. no sound.
14:09<chris_pitzer>single partition on both of them... you mean identical partitions....?
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14:09<ifvoid>Gugla: you said somehting about upgrading
14:09<Gugla>nothing... i woke up the next day wanted to watcha movie and stuff and the sound was gone.
14:09<taitor>alguien me ayuda ?
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14:09<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: yes, at least partitions of the same size
14:09<Gugla>oh yea.. to fix it.. i tried to update the drivers to the new version alsa 1.0.15
14:09<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: unless you don't care about the space that remains on the largest disk
14:09<Gugla>followed through the instructions to the line.. alsa wiki... debian forums..
14:09<chris_pitzer>ok - I can manage that... (building the partitions)
14:10<chris_pitzer>yea - screw the last few gigs i lose - whatever.
14:10<chris_pitzer>how do I then go about putting a raid on those partitions...?
14:10<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: you could just put the md0 on the disk itself then
14:10<chris_pitzer>is there an app for that?
14:10<Gugla>looked for help everywhere... thinkin about a reinstall again. but... takes time
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14:10<cahoot>Gugla: so now you use alsa 1.0.15?
14:10<Gugla>for linux partition thing is built in... should give u an option.. when u are startin up.
14:11<chris_pitzer>ifvoid: put md0 on one of the disks...?
14:11<Gugla>my sound card is recognize. alsamixer all the volumes are all the way up.
14:11<chris_pitzer>or both of them...?
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14:11<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: there's a command
14:11<cahoot>Gugla: try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
14:11<ifvoid>but I don't know it off the top of my head
14:11<Gugla>one sec.
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14:12<chris_pitzer>ifvoid: fair enough... is it a basic command or one particular to a specific app (like gParted) ?
14:12<Gugla>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/alsautils not found.
14:13<ifvoid>I think it's somethign like mkraid
14:13<Gugla>no luck.
14:13<ifvoid>or maybe simply md0adm
14:13<cahoot>Gugla: alsa-utils
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14:13<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: but ignore any howtos that talk about /etc/raidtab
14:13<Gugla>see that what is lookin at the where the old drivers are... i untarred the files on my desktop for alsa 1.0.15
14:13<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: that is obsolete old stuff
14:13<cahoot>Gugla: alsa-utils - note the '-'
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14:13<Gugla>my bad
14:14<chris_pitzer>ifvoid: ok - googling... :-P
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14:14<Gugla>Resetting ALSA card 0...done
14:14<Gugla>ok cool done. that
14:14<Gugla>try sound now?
14:14<cahoot>Gugla: test sound with aplay
14:15<cahoot>Gugla: like aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
14:15<Gugla>hmm... newb .. heh nice u read my mind...friend...
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14:17<chris_pitzer>ifvoid: so I want to use "mdadm" rather than "raidtools" then... right? "raidtools" is the obsolete method you mentioned?
14:17<Gugla>i heard noise
14:17<cahoot>then all is fine
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14:17<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: not sure
14:17<Gugla>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
14:17<ifvoid>chris_pitzer: raidtools might still be ok, but newer version don;t use raidtab then
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14:18<cahoot>Gugla: you could actually run 'speaker-test' for a more in depth test
14:18<Gugla>my god... that one command..
14:18<Gugla>i been pullin my hair out... readin faq after faq...insane..
14:19<Gugla>umm just a another quick question... umm what did i fix w. that command u gave me?
14:19<Gugla>like umm what went wrong.. so next time it happens...that kind of thing
14:19<cahoot>Gugla: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 - unmutes and sets levels
14:20<Gugla>so its like above alsa mixer and all that.
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14:20<Gugla>thank you so much.
14:20<Gugla>u have no idea.. how great this is.
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14:21<Gugla>ok since i am here.. simple question ... lets see
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14:22<Gugla>u know i have downloaded like beryl and other packages.. how do i uninstall stuff or remove them.
14:22<Gugla>its is it just apt-get remove program?
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14:22<cahoot>that should do
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14:22<Gugla>ok cool.. slowly catchin on.
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14:24<Gugla>umm.. stupid question i have used irc... in a while i used bitchx about 10 yrs ago. and for windows i used mirc.
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14:24<Gugla>how do i see the ppl in the room... i am usin xchate
14:24<cahoot>drag the right border
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14:25<Gugla>aha.. tight tight.
14:25<Gugla>i should register my nick.. lets see
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14:26<paurullan>hi everybody! has anybody got problems with liferea on unstable? I was going to bugreport it but I do not know if only for me
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14:28<sooperkuh>is there any plugin as a replacement for realaudio that actually works, especially for BBC radio?
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14:29<themill>sooperkuh: mplayer or totem work with bbc radio
14:30<sooperkuh>it does not work yet for me ...
14:30<themill>sooperkuh: codecs from debian-multimedia might be needed though /msg dpkg dmm
14:30<riboflavin>does debian has package for winetools?
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14:30<sooperkuh>themill: i think i installed these
14:30<Gugla>what do you guys think is a good... overall... w/ all the features... mp3 player?
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14:31<Gugla>rythmbox seems clunky... gets the job done.. but havent explored... maybe u guys would know whats a good one.. and not a strain on the resourcs
14:31<Guest422>how to change samba server acsess it over my network
14:31<sooperkuh>Gugla: there are so many, and what are "all the features"
14:31<Gugla>what do you use?
14:31<Gugla>i just have the ones that came in the debian package..
14:31<sooperkuh>Rhythmbox and mpg321
14:32<cahoot>Gugla: mplayer handles it all
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14:32<schmichael>Rhythmbox works for me too, although there's a million good ones out there
14:32<apeitheo>I still use old xmms--xmms2 loads up all my music files too slowly and is just generally too sluggish
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14:33<apeitheo>not xmms2, I meant the new GTK2 xmms, sorry
14:33<fxiny>xmms2 is not sluggish
14:33<apeitheo>fxiny, yeah I was thinking the other XMMS that've been ported to GTK2, sorry
14:33<cahoot>Gugla: aqualung if you wnat to be non-conformant
14:34<apeitheo>fxiny, know of any xmms2 clients that look like the old xmms?
14:34<fxiny>apeitheo: oh that one ? yahhh i don't use it anymore except for a ape plugin
14:34<Gugla>i cool thanks
14:34<fxiny>apeitheo: gxmms ? but if you get used to xmms2 cli you'll forget any gui quickly
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14:35<Guest422>I can't acsess my computer running samba server how do I add acsess privlages
14:35<apeitheo>fxiny, well I just like having the graphical window open all the time, since I tend to skip around the music a lot
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14:37<fxiny>apeitheo: xmms2 cli is much faster and relaxing then any point and click gui
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14:37<Gugla>thx le tme check it out
14:37<fxiny>i still keep xmms around just in case for ape audio files but i do not use it anymore
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14:40<vovo>I want to try this example: - But I don't find any /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd where I can put the service geofwd { flags=REUSE....} stuff?
14:40<fxiny>apeitheo: the only glitch is the "gonzo" version i have to use cause i'm still on etch :P
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14:46<fxiny>vovo: what debian version are you using ?
14:48<vovo>fxiny: debian etch
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14:48<fxiny>vovo: so you can install xinetd
14:49<fxiny>vovo: rememebr to restart xinetd after you edit the conf
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14:52<INiziamoBene>hi guys
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14:53<INiziamoBene>i'm a newbie i've installed new ubuntu released but at the first boot it doesn't run...a black page appears and all seems to be blocked
14:53<fxiny>wrong chan
14:53<INiziamoBene>so i 've thought to install debian...but first i eish to know
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14:54<INiziamoBene>if the unstable version is good for a newbie and stable enough for my laptop
14:54<Ganneff>unstable not good, stable good.
14:54<Ganneff>and then it depends on your laptop
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14:55<INiziamoBene>with a friend o' mine who has a stablke debian we've tried to install .deb package
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14:55<INiziamoBene>but it gave to us some troubles as it doesn't stay in stable rep
14:55<Ganneff>never mix ubuntu and debian.
14:55<INiziamoBene>so they suggested us to install a unstable version
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14:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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14:56<INiziamoBene>Ganeff probably you're right as that package came from a ubuntu mirror
14:56<fxiny>INiziamoBene: if you mix ubuntu and debian you should change your nick as "INiziamoMoltoMale"
14:57<nick_>Does anyone have any sugestions on a good all around linux tutorial
14:57<vovo>is there no package for GNU netcat in Debian?
14:57<fxiny>of course
14:57<vovo>package name?
14:57<INiziamoBene>io ho un toshibe satellite centrino con ati radeon x600
14:57<INiziamoBene>that's all;-)
14:57<fxiny>only english please
14:57<zapata>Could someone help me with mplayer? The entire screen turns green everytime i open it as a root user but as a normal user it works just fine, any suggestions?
14:58<INiziamoBene>i've got a toshiba satellite centrino with a ati x600
14:58<schmichael>zapata: why are you running mplayer as root!?
14:58<vovo>fxiny: that is not gnu netcat.that is the non-gnu netcat
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14:58<vovo>I am looking for the GNU netcat
14:59<zapata>When i mount my 2 harddrive i usually never exit su.
14:59<vovo>GNU netcat has a -V option that prints the GNU notice and version
14:59<schmichael>zapata: i would strongly recommend exiting su :)
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14:59<INiziamoBene>so..why not unstable?
14:59<schmichael>also... should pmount or fuse or something allow non-root users to mount your 2nd hdd?
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15:01<zapata>Is there a way to automount your 2 harddrive then?
15:01<INiziamoBene>may i have any trouble using xfce as desktop ?
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15:01<darsie>Hi! My old nvidia RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro freezes often during 3D, so I'm looking for something better. Any other choices than nvidia for doing 3D stuff like flightgear or second life?
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15:02<darsie>I'd be fine with nvidia. Just want to know if it's worth investigating other GPUs as well.
15:03<fxiny>vovo: this is mine : netcat (The GNU Netcat) 0.7.1 :)
15:03<slashme>My university offers its crest as a corel draw or a freehand file. I want to make a vector-based postscript file from that to use in my LaTeX thesis. Does anyone here know which will be easier to convert on Linux?
15:03<sooperkuh>darsie: I bought an ATI Radeon 9250, for EUR 30 and am very happy with it with the free driver. no crashes
15:03<darsie>socat is an interesting alternative to netcat
15:04<sooperkuh>hardly a current card though
15:04<darsie>sooperkuh: Does it 3D/GLX well?
15:04<INiziamoBene>is dvd 1 enough to install the basic system?
15:04<vovo>fxiny: wow! just try nc -V, it might work
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15:04<vovo>fxiny: what is the package name for your netcat?
15:04<sooperkuh>yes, but not very fast compared to high end cards
15:04<sooperkuh>but fast enough for compiz and friends
15:04<vovo>fxiny: where did you get that one. I have nc -h
15:05<darsie>sooperkuh: compiz?
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15:05<vovo>fxiny: could you please tell the package name for your netcat and your debian release, etch, lenny?
15:05<fxiny>vovo: is not installed just compiled from sources , just get it and compile it :)
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15:05<vovo>fxiny: oh, ok! thanks. :-)
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15:06<fxiny>vovo: np
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15:06[~]fxiny wonders if vovo is after -e, --exec=PROGRAM ...
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15:07<fxiny>cahoot: heresy ? is in a "special" dusty dir with tons of stuff :P
15:07<sooperkuh>darsie: the 3d desktop stuff, works just fine
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15:07<cahoot>fxiny: you're just making it worse
15:08<fxiny>cahoot: of course :)
15:09<cahoot>aka closet-compiler
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15:09<fxiny>i said is not installed ;)
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15:11<fxiny>why i should bother to see if netcat comes with -e option ? i keep it like this : not installed
15:11<fxiny>lemme check the official
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15:14<hamael>i need some help
15:14<cahoot>just ask
15:15<hamael>i instaled linux, then mounted my windows drive (ntfs), then used a cp command to copy all my files to /home/hamael/desktop, and now i cant enter them as i need root premission to enter them
15:16<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
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15:20<diegox>I've been trying to compile a debian kernel amd64 for my core2 duo (E6750) with a DG33BU motherboard machine. But i don't know what's the best way to configure it. Can someone help me on this. I'm very green on linux.
15:21<cahoot>diegox: there is no shortcut
15:22<cahoot>except for a precompiled kernel
15:22<jrolland-iBook>Anybody know anything about troubleshooting ssh?
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15:23<cahoot>jrolland-iBook: was it you with the intermittent connectionproblem?
15:23<kdean06>diegox, Is there a reason you're compling your own kernel? What do you hope to accomplish with that?
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15:25<hamael>i need to change the old ntfs drive into a ext3 drive
15:25<sooperkuh>themill: if you are there, you helped me a lot, thanks! ... got mplayerplugin working with pulseaudio and it rocks!
15:25<jrolland-iBook>I get a "Permission denied (publickey,password)." error
15:26<cahoot>but sometimes you can login?
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15:26<diegox>cahoot: first because I read that by doing so I could optimize my computer performance. I need that because i do computational chemistry (calculations on chemical structures) so I need as much performance as i could possibly get. Second reason: fun
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15:27<jrolland-iBook>From my iBook running Mac OS X, I can login; from my $1.50/month shell account, I cannot
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15:27<cahoot>diegox: there is no shortcut - you have to know your hw and do the config step by step
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15:28<cahoot>ssh -v might give more info jrolland-iBook
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15:32<jrolland-iBook>It looks like my key may be generated with rsa, and my shell account may not have IDEA installed
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15:33<bushblows>hmm, totem dosnt seem to have sound with anything, I have sound working fine in everything else. and proper codecs. any thoughts?
15:34<schmichael>bushblows: do you have ESD enabled? i find disabling it makes sound work much better
15:34<schmichael>no fun gnome sound effects though if you care about such things
15:34<jrolland-iBook>The shell account *is* able to log into the iBook, however
15:35[~]schmichael is patiently waiting for PulseAudio to takeover for ESD
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15:35<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: Are you sure the /home/jrolland/.ssh/id_rsa exists and has tight enough permissions to be used?
15:35<bushblows>schmichael: no I dont beleive I do I may look into it.
15:35<bushblows>currently their is no sound whatsoever from totem.
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15:36<diegox>I don`t want shortcuts. I allready did the configuration step twice, but apparently i chose poorly and the resulting compiled kernel wasn't what I spected. It had problems with my sound card and my net card. So I need information on how to choose better (particularly on wich modules are safely removed and wich must be there, and Is it better to make a monolithic kernel or modularized kernel)
15:36<jrolland-iBook>1 minute
15:37<schmichael>bushblows: are their gnome sound events? like when you click menus and such
15:37<jrolland-iBook>.ssh/id_rsa does *not* exists
15:37<schmichael>bushblows: if so, that means esd is enabled
15:37<jrolland-iBook>Wait a sec
15:38<diegox>I don't want you to tell me exactly what to choose for my particular hw. I want to know where to start my research
15:38<bushblows>ah, hmm, ESD was disabled.
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15:38<jrolland-iBook>It appears that the debian box doesn't allow keyboard authentication to the shell account
15:39<jrolland-iBook>1 minute
15:39<bushblows>ya, no sound with ESD enabled or disabled.
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15:39<valdyn>diegox: that's a huge topic
15:39<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: If you create an id_rsa file with the key it should have 600 permissions. Files readable by others are ignored by ssh.
15:39<valdyn>!which driver
15:39<dpkg>somebody said driver locator was To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into .
15:39<valdyn>diegox: use ^^^
15:40<riboflavin>how can i see the list of all available packages?
15:40<ifvoid|0088011>riboflavin: dpkg -l \*
15:40<ifvoid|0088011>riboflavin: but something like synaptic might be more useful
15:41<diegox>valdyn: so you wouldn't recomend me to do this at this stage?
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15:41<riboflavin>aha yes
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15:41<riboflavin>thank you
15:41<valdyn>diegox: compiling a kernel yourself is a waste of time often even for people who know exactly how.
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15:44<jrolland-iBook>It appears that the shell account wants "keyboard-interactive" as an option, instead of "password"
15:44<jrolland-iBook>Even though Mac OS X treats them the same
15:44<diegox>valdyn: so you say that the improvement in performace won't be noticeable? The calculations i do can take days or weeks. So for me an improvement of say 15% in performance would be really wellcomed.
15:44<valdyn>diegox: not at all noticable
15:45<jrolland-iBook>Does anyone know how to make the Debian box allow "keyboard-interactive" as an option?
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15:46<jrolland-iBook>Any OpenSSH jocks here?
15:46<buji>somebody helpme with xen installation on debian lenny
15:48<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: Did you actually set up a key pair on the client and server side? See for tips.
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15:49<buji>diegox, speak spanish?
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15:50<diegox>buji: SI
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15:51<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: I actually *want* keyboard-interactive/password authentication
15:51<BlackSerpent>I have a question: Has it ever occured that ping to was acutally a ping to ?
15:51<BlackSerpent>I first suspected a rootkit, but then switched from win to linux, and it happens again. now resetting the router.
15:51<buji>diegox, can you go to debian-es please?
15:51<jrolland-iBook>I may have many people logging in, and I want them to authenticate
15:51<buji>is for spanish question
15:51<buji>my english is very poor
15:51<diegox>buji: ok
15:52<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Thanks, though
15:52<BlackSerpent>diegox >> please try pinging I get odd results.
15:52<stroyan>/etc/ssh/sshd_config may contain "PasswordAuthentication no". Change that to yess.
15:52<amphi>BlackSerpent: A
15:52<BlackSerpent>why does it point to ?
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15:53<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: Or change it to "yes". ;-)
15:53<amphi>BlackSerpent: d.c was just taken down by the 'canadian' riaa
15:53<buji>diegox, is for a question about XEN
15:53<BlackSerpent>no wonder I get no response.
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15:53<BlackSerpent>I see...
15:53<BlackSerpent>is there an alternative server?
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15:54<amphi>BlackSerpent: how does this relate to debian? ;)
15:54<BlackSerpent>so all DNS tag this domain as loopback.
15:54<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: What do you mean by "it"? What should I change to "yes"?
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15:54<BlackSerpent>well, I figured out I can get an answer here, rather then on #why-demoniod-is-loopback
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15:57<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: Change /etc/ssh/sshd_config to contain "PasswordAuthentication yes".
15:57<bundo>[데탑 스크린샷]
15:58<bundo>[메모리] 전체: 1011.3 MB | 사용중: 204.2 MB (20.20 %) | 남음: 807.1 MB (79.80 %)
15:58<buji>anybody helpme with xen installation?
15:58<bundo>[그래픽] VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
15:58<buji>over debian lenny
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16:01<h2>I'm trying to find the source of this error in bash: bash: no job control in this shell
16:01<h2>this occurs if you run, here's a very simplified version of a script that will trigger it:
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16:01<h2> #!/bin/bash
16:01<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Thanks, I had just found it and done that
16:01<h2>init 3
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16:01<h2>that's it
16:01<h2>this always creates that error
16:01<h2>in an etch based install
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16:02<h2>google has not been helpful to resolve this, I've checked /etc/inittab but it all seems in order
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16:03<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Do I need to restart sshx? If so, how do I restart sshd
16:03<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
16:04<h2>root has /bin/bash in his path
16:04<h2>as shell
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16:04<jrolland-iBook>OK, it didn't work
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16:04<jrolland-iBook>Still can't log in
16:04<cahoot>restarted sshd?
16:05<jrolland-iBook>Do I need to do something with pam?
16:05<jrolland-iBook>Yes, restarted sshd
16:05<jrolland-iBook>(I found out ohow to do it on my own)
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16:10<cahoot>jrolland-iBook: can this be of use?
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16:13<gregor>good evening!
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16:13<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: seems to end with a prompt for your password. Is the problem that you can't type a password, or that it is not accepted?
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16:14<diegox>anyone knows how to install a package from a cd using apt-get or aptitude?
16:15<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Can't type a password
16:15<diegox>specificaly kde-desktop
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16:15<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: It just exits with the error message "Permission denied (publickey,password)."
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16:16<diegox>I can't get access to internet from linux
16:16<nevcx>Diegox: Have you tried dselect?
16:16<jrolland-iBook>ssh on the shell account is waiting for "keyboard-interactive'
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16:17<jrolland-iBook>And I want to configure sshd on the debian box to do just that (allow "keyboard-interactive" as a login option)
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16:18<nevcx>diegox: Try to type dselect in a shell (xterm)
16:19<diegox>nevcx: no, I haven't. But if it has something to do with selecting packages from a list it wont't work, kde doesn't appear in the list of available packages.
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16:19<|HellTiger|>dselect is still active ?
16:20<jrolland-iBook>I tried adding "AllowedAuthentications keyboard-interactive" to sshd_config, but then sshd wouldn't restart
16:20<nevcx>diegox: Then you have to download a new CD ith kde or fix your internet connection.
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16:21<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: Try adding "KbdInteractiveAuthentication yes" to your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarting sshd.
16:21<jrolland-iBook>Is there something like "AllowedAuthentications" that OpenSSH likes, anyone?
16:21<diegox>nevcx: in order to fix my internet connection i have to buy a new modem, and I have no money right now
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16:21<diegox>nevcx: the modem i have is not compatible with linux
16:22<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: No luck, sshd won't restart with that as an option
16:22<jrolland-iBook>Let me check I spelled it right ...
16:23<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: You could try "ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes" as an alternative.
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16:23<jrolland-iBook>OK spelling error
16:23<jrolland-iBook>Let me try now
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16:24<jrolland-iBook>No luck, but progress
16:24<jrolland-iBook>Now, it lists Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive)
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16:24<jrolland-iBook>So, the debian box *is* allowing keyboard-interactive
16:25<GottesDiener>can I find with rm deleted files again anywhere?
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16:25<witte>GottesDiener: no
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16:26<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: This is starting to look like an OS-X problem from where I am sitting. ;-)
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16:27<h2>Wyzard: just found out it's not just the root, it's all of them
16:27<h2>user too
16:27<h2>less command triggers it
16:27<h2>as well
16:27<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Well, the OS X box *does* log into the debian box; its the shell account that can't log into the debian box
16:27<Wyzard>h2: no idea why your job control is disabled, sorry
16:28<jrolland-iBook>It *is* beginning to look like the problem is at the shell account side
16:28<nevcx>GottesDiener: Try $ apt-cache search ext3 undelete
16:28<weasel>ext3 undelete.
16:28<jrolland-iBook>I'll email the sysop, maybe he can shed some light
16:29<jrolland-iBook>stroyan: Thanks SO MUCH for your help!
16:29<stroyan>jrolland-iBook: You are welcome.
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16:54<aze45>hi all
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16:55<aze45>i have a strange problem on etch, with my server X, it's a keyboard input problem, repetitvly, my keys areeeeeeeee like 'bloked' (see before)
16:55<aze45>any idea where i can start searching?
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17:17<Gugla>whats up guys
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17:41<francy>problema con amsn
17:41<francy>dimenticavo ciao a tutti
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17:48<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
17:48<sooperkuh>francy: does that help?
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17:50<klando>hi, I've just tried to view the copyright of libtextcat package but the link is dead ( )
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17:53<ranix>hey guys. I have an old 133mhz laptop with a 1.2 jiggabyte hard disk and 24 megabytes of rams. I would like to install Debian from a floppy diskette, but it looks like you guys are too cool for me these days and require 32 megs of ram just to run the installer. What do I do?
17:54<JasonS>ranix: buy more ram or use the laptop as a door stop?
17:54<ranix>that was an uncool answer
17:54<ranix>you should be ashamed :(
17:54<JasonS>ok boat anchor then
17:55<ranix>can't get more ram for it, it doesn't exist anywhere that's inventoried
17:55<weasel>or use it to put it under your monitors. most people have them way too low anyway
17:55<ranix>I could install slink on it
17:55<JasonS>weasel: good thinking
17:55<themill>klando: it's BSD licenced
17:55<JasonS>ranix: look for maybe woody or sarge? the install requirements are likely lower
17:55<themill>klando: as to why that link doesn't work, that might be to do with the dtp-master outage
17:55<klando>themill, yeah I know now, but the deadlink remain on the debian website ;)
17:55<klando>oh, thisone .
17:55<themill>klando: has it been like that for a while?
17:56<klando>I don't know
17:56<ranix>ah cool it looks like sarge has a minimum req. of 24 megabytes exactly
17:56<ranix>thanks for the tip, I'm too stupid to google these things
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17:58<themill>klando: if it's still like that in a couple of days, then perhaps file a bug. With the ftp-master crash, lots of things don't work just at the moment. The next mirror pulse *should* sort them out.
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18:00<gregor>Good night!
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18:02<jablko>i'm getting a bunch of errors like:
18:02<jablko>Failed to fetch bootstrap:/pool/main/c/cpio/cpio_2.9-4_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
18:02<jablko>- using cdebootstrap
18:02<klando>themill, okay
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18:03<themill>jablko: are you trying to bootstrap into lenny?
18:03<jablko>themill: sid
18:03<themill>jablko: that's not the version of cpio that's in sid though. That might not help.
18:04<jablko>themill: hmm
18:04<themill>jablko: 2.9-6 is in sid.
18:05<themill>jablko: perhaps you've got an inconsistent mirror at present... or you got caught in the middle of a mirror pulse.
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18:06<themill>jablko: although having said that, bootstrap: should be after that problem. Perhaps try removing that .deb so it gets downloaded again.
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18:30<javi_>hi, some boy can help me with ha bind problem?
18:31<themill>!just ask
18:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:32<jablko>themill: thanks for your suggestions, think i have this problem:
18:32<fblade1987>can anyone help me install my ati drivers for x1650 pro please?
18:32<javi_>i changed my servers from provider so i need to change all my domains ip, i reconfigured bind9 with new ips, and i did a prove "dig @localhost" and all goes ok, but whe i use an external nameserver it doesnt know what is "my domain" (
18:32<javi_>i have debian eth4.0 and bind9
18:34<dkr>javi_: you need to tell your registrar to update your whoise record with ne wip for your namerserver, likely
18:34<themill>jablko: ahh there's that one too... there are lots of problems with building new sid chroots at present. :(
18:34<themill>jablko: I did read this one the other day that sounded promising:
18:35<themill>jablko: building an etch chroot and then moving to sid might be better at present. That's what I've had to do the last couple of times I've needed one.
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18:37<javi_>dkr do you mean in domain register?
18:38<dkr>javi_: registrar. yes
18:38<themill>javi_: in your case (I think)
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18:39<javi_>my domain "" i have registered trough, and i can only especifi a dns in dns section i cant put an ip
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18:40<dkr>javi_: look harder, read instructions. dns servers have to be specified by ip address. likely you have to make a "host" record for it, then tell your domain record to use that host as dns server
18:41<dkr>registrar web interfaces can be confusing, though, I know.
18:41<themill>javi_: according to whois, the people you originally bought the domain from are the that I mentioned earlier.. is the people who are going to host your website?
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18:44<dkr>themill: publidomainregistry users "resellers" around the world, likely are the spanish reseller
18:44<themill>quite probably....
18:44<javi_>no no, i registered the domain with, i have servers and i host my own hosting web service and i have dns servers too, but few time ago i had problems with my old ISP so i changed to a new ISP, my new ISP gave me the new range of IPs (old range - 239) and the new range ( - 47) i actualized all the zones of my dns server and changed the "primery dns server"
18:44<dkr>seems a bit scammy to me. since a for profit company is abusing the term "public domain" :)
18:45<javi_>"primary dns server" ( that before wass with the new "dns server ip" (
18:45<themill>dkr: think public "domain registry" not "public domain" registry....
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18:46<javi_>if i ask locally to my dns server it retur the correct answer " is"
18:46<javi_>but if i asked with another dns server it says "dont know"
18:46<themill>javi_: in the simplest form, you still need to tell the ".com" domain where to find "". You need a SOA record somewhere.
18:47<javi_>can i paste some data?
18:47[~]themill begs indulgence for that gross simplification
18:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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18:48<dkr>javi_: even if the update has gone through. it takes time for the change to propagate throughout the dns system. usually at least 24 hours
18:48<javi_>@ IN NS
18:48<javi_>@ IN A
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18:48<javi_>dns IN A
18:48<javi_>that was the old data
18:48<javi_>and the new is exactly equal
18:48<jaqque>how do i get HAL + whatever to fire off ifup wlan0 when i plug in the USB wireless fob?
18:49<javi_>but with differente ip
18:49<themill>javi_: you need to tell your registrar these details too. The rest of the world needs to know where to find out who you are.
18:49<jaqque>pointer to docs is good
18:50<javi_>ok i go the look harder the domain panel of cdmon to see if i see something that i forgoted
18:50<javi_>thaks for your time guys! ;) see you ya!
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18:50<themill>javi_: if you specify the ip address rather than the name, it will probably work
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18:51<javi_>themill yes i know! and you are rigth sure, but they dont let me put an ip
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18:52<dkr>usually the ns record is a name, and it needs a separate host record to translate the name into a number
18:52<javi_>and its extreange because the normal for resolve a domain name its to poins a namesever with an ip not with another domain
18:52<themill>*nod* just looking for a short cut
18:53<sooperkuh>javi_: but it should work nevertheless
18:53<dkr>just like the way you did it in your example above. you use a name for the NS record, and you made the name resolve to a number with that dns A record
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18:57<themill>jaqque: perhaps look at the ifplugd package. Or allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces, depending on what you want to do.
18:57<themill>jaqque: man 5 interfaces for the latter.
18:57<jaqque>themill: i have the allow-hotplug in there, but hotplug confilcts with udev
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18:57<jaqque>well, had. i took it out once i realised it broke stuff
18:57<themill>jaqque: allow-hotplug doesn't have anything to do with the hotplug package.
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18:58<themill>jaqque: it says that hotplugging is allowed. udev + hal handle hotplugging
18:58<jaqque>themill: all icn tell you, i had it in there (as per interfaces(5) and it failed to do anything, other than break. i'll have to look again, then
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19:01<jablko>whenever i run apt-get update, it gets to the end of downloading metafiles (Release, Packages, DiffIndex) and hangs:
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19:01<jablko>99% [2 Packages bzip2 0]
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19:01<jablko>how can i get more information about what apt is hanging on?
19:02<themill>jablko: there's a --print-uris option that can help
19:02<javi_>jablko logs
19:03<jablko>all the uris checkout
19:04<jablko>files get downloaded
19:04<jablko>it's hanging on some client-side process (bzip2)
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19:05<javi_>jablko have you tried to clean the cache to force download it again?
19:06<jablko>javi_: downloading again works, but the next update fails
19:07<javi_>in decompress?
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19:07<jablko>javi_: that's how it seems...
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19:12<jablko>javi_: strace reveals it's an issue with my archive:
19:12<jablko>i see the lines over and over: stat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages.decomp", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
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19:12<jablko>where /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages.decomp is an empty file
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19:13<jablko>(size 0)
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19:13<themill>that'll do it
19:13<javi_>have you seen if the compressed packet cotains data?
19:14<javi_>may be it decomrpes the empty file
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19:16<javi_>themill i am looking the panel
19:16<jablko>javi_: which is the compressed packet?
19:16<jablko>i have a /var/lib/apt/lists/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages
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19:16<jablko>which contains data
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19:16<jablko>(but that's from the first update, which succeeds)
19:17<jablko>it's only on subsiquent updates it stalls on /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages.decomp
19:17<themill>jablko: is your disk full?
19:18<jablko>: ) did check that, not a problem
19:18<jablko>(40G free)
19:18<javi_>and is the same opcion (modifi dns server) where i only can put a name, just like or ns1 or whatever, but no ip, but i am seen now that thereis a new option that is (create a ns delegation) where i can create soa records, but i think that tthis is for use the dns servers from cdmon not mine
19:19<jablko>any idea what is trying to get decompressed into /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages.decomp
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19:19<javi_>jablko if you have issue from a packet of that mirror, have you tried to download the same packet from other mirror?
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19:20<jablko>javi_: it's one of the metafiles (Packages, Release, etc.)
19:20<jablko>though I'm not sure which...
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19:20<jablko>all the metafiles in my archive look good, unless i'm missing one?
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19:21<javi_>i found it!
19:22<javi_>dkr i did it
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19:22<dkr>javi_: cool
19:22<javi_>i was just cliking somewhere think "i dons see anithing" and in next click... the option... "ip for your dns zone" xdd
19:23<javi_>thanks for alldkr and themill
19:23<themill>javi_: good stuff... well done.
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19:24<javi_>jablko its an error only updating or downloading something especific?
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19:26<jablko>javi_: only updating
19:26<jablko>and only if it's not the first update
19:26<jablko>javi_: (and i'm talking about updating the metafiles, not updating any packages)
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19:27<jablko>if i rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists
19:27<jablko>then apt-get update
19:27<jablko>everything works
19:27<jablko>but if i then run apt-get update again,
19:27<jablko>it always fails
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19:27<jablko>unless i rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists again
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19:30<themill>night all!
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19:30<javi_>and if you did apt-get update again what error appens?
19:30<yster>hi, I'm looking for someone with a good iproute/iptables head on their shoulders; anyone around?
19:31<jablko>javi_: hangs, doing over and over:
19:31<jablko>stat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cgi.sfu.ca_%7ejdbates_debian_dists_._._binary-i386_Packages.decomp", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
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19:31<yster>I'm having trouble with getting conntrack to remember what interface something came in on via iptables (mangle, mark)-- therefore the return packets for things are never going out the right interfaces
19:31<jablko>so it looks to be waiting for that Packages.decomp
19:31<jablko>which is always a size zero file
19:32<sooperkuh>jablko: with another mirror too?
19:32<jablko>sooperkuh: no, just my mirror
19:32<jablko>sorry, my archive
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19:33<javi_>jablko try to change you apt list in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:33<javi_>for another mirror
19:34<jablko>this is my personal archive - there's no mirror I know of
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19:35<javi_>mm i saw in google something similar to your problem
19:35<javi_>ans that guy expose that maybe that error is for a infinite process of apt that resides in memory from the first apt you runned
19:36<javi_>is you error similar like that?
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19:40<javi_>dkr i am making "dig" and still the "unkown" answer may be they need a few hour to propague the changes?
19:42<jrolland-iMac>Anyone know much about OpenSSH on Etch?
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19:43<jrolland-iMac>I can't get keyboard-interactive authentication to work on my Debian PPC box
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19:44<jrolland-iMac>One of the guys who was here earlier today got me set up to nominally use keyboard-interactive, but it doesn't appear to be working
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19:47<jrolland-iMac>Guess no one knows ssh
19:47<sooperkuh>jrolland-imac: a keyboard problem is ruled out?
19:47<jrolland-iMac>Yes, I am able to ssh in from a different box
19:48<jrolland-iMac>Output from ssh -v is at <>
19:48<sooperkuh>i mean does the keyboard on the box you type in your password on work as desired?
19:48<jrolland-iMac>It passes up keyboard-interactive and then uses password
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19:49<jrolland-iMac>Yes, everything else on the shell account works fine
19:49<jrolland-iMac>I am able to log into all my other POSIX accounts from the shell account
19:49<jrolland-iMac>Only shell-to-debian give me trouble
19:49<javi_>good nigth!
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19:50<jrolland-iMac>Output from ssh -v on shell-to-debian is at <>
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19:52<abrotman>jrolland-iMac: and none of the keyboard input works at all ?
19:52<jrolland-iMac>abrotman: On the shell, I never get to typing my password
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19:52<jrolland-iMac>I only get "ermission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive)."
19:53<abrotman>anyhting useful on the server side?
19:53<sooperkuh>is this ssh2 on both sides?
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19:53<jrolland-iMac>I believe so
19:53<jrolland-iMac>1 second
19:53<sooperkuh>i once had this problem with an ancient mac client that did not want ssh2
19:54<abrotman>there is a #openssh on .. not sure if they'd be much help though
19:54<abrotman>jrolland-iMac: try forcing ssh v1
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19:55<jrolland-iMac>OK, trying ssh -1
19:56<jrolland-iMac>When I try ssh -1 on the shell account, I get "Protocol major versions differ: 1 vs. 2"
19:56<jrolland-iMac>Does not attempt a connection
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19:57<abrotman>oh .. does the sshd allow v1?
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19:58<jrolland-iMac>I'm not sure; never tried it before
19:59<jrolland-iMac>I have root access to the debian box, so we can make changes
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20:00<sooperkuh>have you tried logging in as another user with ssh -l or something?
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20:01<jrolland-iMac>Yes, I tried creating a new account on the debian box and logging in; same problem
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20:03<fblade1987>can anyone post me their repo list for sarge i've messed mine up please
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20:03<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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20:11<jrolland-iMac>sooperkuh: Thanks for trying
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20:24<diegox>I'm trying to install kde-desktop downloading manually the packages from following indications from the kde installation guide in using "dpkg -i packagename.deb" for every package. But I get error mesages concerning dependencys. The reason for this is that my modem is not linux compatible so i can't use aptitude or apt-get. Can anybody help
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20:28<Shu>can you install the dependancies manually?
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20:30<diegox>shu: i don't know... can I?
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20:30<Shu>im pretty sure
20:31<Shu>it'll just be long and annoying
20:31<Shu>ive never tried before
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20:54<patricio>hey guys......I am running 2.6.22 and my HD is partitioned and I am running Winderz on one, and debian on another......I am wanting to know if it is possible to access both, without having to reboot the sys to enter one or the other.......a friend of mine told me about something called VMWARE??? Is this something I should research, or can someone advise something else?
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21:01<onialb>i have kde, and when i boot my pc, on startup, run automaticly startup manager and a window "sudo kde" can i desable thet?
21:02<Sescevok>anyone here using etch with beryl?
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21:05<diegox>gsimmons: Thank you! I'll try that one
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21:06<onialb>i have kde, and when i boot my pc, on startup, run automaticly startup manager and a window "sudo kde" can i desable thet?
21:06<jacob>any ubuntu users here? cause there's only about 5 people in the ubuntu channel
21:06<gravity>jacob: Try freenode
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21:07<fblade1987>is there a guide like but for debian?
21:08<gravity>fblade1987: Not really that I'm aware of. Do you have a specific question maybe?
21:08<chealer>onialb: what do you mean by "#kubuntu"? if you're using Kubuntu, you're asking at the wrong place.
21:08<jacob>gravity, that's not very nice of you
21:08<jacob>this is such an unfriendly channel
21:09<gravity>jacob: Uh... what? That's where the official ubuntu channel is
21:09<gravity>jacob: If you want ubuntu help, freenode's #ubuntu is *the* place to go
21:09<gravity>jacob: So I'm not sure why my suggestion was unfriendly
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21:09<jacob>gravity, ok,m i'm new to linux
21:09<fblade1987>well not really i've just come from ubuntu to debian so im trying to just set stuff up such as wifi, compiz and basic apps
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21:10<gravity>fblade1987: There's a guide to compiz on For wifi, it depends on your card. You may need to have non-free packages to get the right drivers
21:11<gravity>fblade1987: As for basic apps, you can use the same tools to install them as on ubuntu. Pretty much all the same apps are in Debian as in Ubuntu
21:11<fblade1987>right well my wifi is a ralink rt2500
21:11<fblade1987>and thanks for the rest of the help
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21:12<onialb>i have kde, and when i boot my pc, on startup, run automaticly startup manager and a window "sudo kde" can i desable thet?
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21:13<chealer>onialb: which Debian suite do you use?
21:13<chealer>onialb: ubuntu is not a Debian suite. if you're not asking about Debian, your question is offtopic here.
21:13<gravity>fblade1987: For that, you probably want to install the rt2500-source package. Then check /usr/share/doc/rt2500-source for info on getting it working. I don't know that chipset at all, but in theory it should be fairly easy using module-assistant
21:13<gravity>onialb: You want to try #ubuntu on freenode
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21:13<fblade1987>ok thanks gravity
21:14<gravity>fblade1987: Good luck
21:14<onialb>thank you
21:14<fblade1987>i'll need it :)
21:15<chealer>fblade1987: I guess although your site looks more basic.
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21:15<gravity>fblade1987: It's not so scary as it might sound :-)
21:16<Sescevok>is it possible to remote into a windows box from linux?
21:16<abrotman>Sescevok: rdesktop
21:16<chealer>fblade1987: actually, rt2500 is about as easy as it can get for 2007
21:17<fblade1987>chealer how?
21:17<Sescevok>abrotman: thanks.....what about setting up a vpn connection?
21:17<abrotman>openvpn .. depending on the end client
21:17<chealer>fblade1987: I mean, no other 802.11g card is easier to setup with Debian.
21:17<fblade1987>oh right, that looks promising for me then
21:18<gravity>That's good news, my knowledge of that card is almost nothing
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21:19<fblade1987>I tell you what though I'm glad i took the challange on of using debian instead of just ubuntu learning so much more
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21:20<gravity>fblade1987: Now you just need to start helping develop debian and you'll really learn a lot
21:21<fblade1987>well I am taking a course in unix linux and x at uni so hopefully that will help
21:21<gravity>They're teaching you X?
21:21<gravity>What are they teaching you about it?
21:22<fblade1987>well its not much at first were just learning about shell scripting and i dont know what is after that
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21:22<gravity>Ah, cool
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21:28<fblade1987>is glxgears standard in debian?
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21:29<gravity>fblade1987: It's in mesa-utils
21:29<gravity>It *should* be installed normally, but it's been missed before
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22:54<diegox>Hi again, I alredy installed kde desktop using apt-cdrom. But kde doesn't start when i reboot
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23:04<diegox>when I try kdestart an error message says it doesn't find x-server or something like that
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23:08<mosty>where does an initramfs-tools setup expect the root fs to be mounted?
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23:09<mosty>ie i'm in busybox inside the initrd now, where do i mount the root fs to?
23:09<mosty>ahh, /root should have spotted that earlier
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23:12<blarson>mosty: /root is root's home directory. Mount it anywhere then chroot before running initramfs-tools
23:12<mosty>i meant inside the initrd
23:13<mosty>in there, /root is where you mount root, then exit, and it will pivot that to /
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23:17<Sescevok>anyone running beryl with etch?
23:18<richardus>is there any difference if /etc/apt/sources.list points to lenny vs testing?
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23:19<Sescevok>oscar: was the remark to me?
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23:24<Sescevok>lets talk about linux
23:25<chealer>richardus: until lenny is stable, no.
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23:29<diegox>I installed the base system (from a backported cd from kmuto v2.6.23.1), then I installed kde-desktop from a dvd iso (v 2.6.18) using apt-cdrom and then aptitude. But kde doesn't start when i type kdestart nor when i reboot the system. Something is missing but I don't know what is it. Can anybody help me pleeeeeaase?
23:31<diegox>I've been wrestling with this installation for two weeks now.
23:31<gsimmons_>diegox: Sounds like you're missing an X server.
23:31<gsimmons_>!set up x
23:31<dpkg>To set up X in etch or later, "aptitude install xserver-xorg". Generally, say "no" to the question about the framebuffer. Also ask me about <drxx> for reconfiguring the xserver.
23:32<chealer>diegox: do you use a display manager?
23:33<diegox>gsimmons: <drxx>??
23:33<diegox>chealer: what's a display manager?
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23:35<solosk>Diegox: it's the program that you log in with
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23:37<solosk>XDM, GDM, KDM,
23:38<diegox>solosk: I don't think i have it installed (at least i didn't specifically install it).
23:38<solosk>Diegox - can you log into a graphical environment at all?
23:38<chealer>solosk: a graphical program which helps starting an X session.
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23:38<diegox>solosk: not yet
23:38<solosk>chealer: thanks
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23:39<chealer>solosk: sorry, that was for diegox
23:39<solosk>ja I like your exclaimation
23:39<diegox>I only have the base system (text interface only)
23:39<solosk>oh yeah then.
23:40<solosk>what gsimmons_ said
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23:41<diegox>so I have to install a display manager too?
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23:41<chealer>diegox: how did you install kde-desktop?
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23:43<diegox>chealer: 1) apt-cdrom: made available the packages list from a debian dvd iso. 2) aptitude -> Installed kde-desktop
23:44<chealer>diegox: how did you do 2) ? did you use the user interface or use a command?
23:44<diegox>chealer: interface
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23:45<chealer>diegox: which menus did you use?
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23:46<diegox>chealer: i browsed into the list of packages until I found kde desktop, then + to select it and finally "g" to install
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23:46<chealer>diegox: just "kde" or really "kde-desktop"?
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23:47<diegox>chealer: kde-desktop I guess (around 300 Mb)
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23:48<chealer>diegox: is kdm installed?
23:48<diegox>chealer: what is it?
23:48<solanaceo>btw.. i installed first gnome-core (in etch), after i upgraded to lenny, i saw that package missing.. not even in mirrors. like if it has never been there before.
23:48<chealer>diegox: it's a package, a display manager.
23:49<Beowulf>my ubuntu machine seams to have recently joined a botnet....could use some help with this....
23:49<diegox>If it didn't install alongside kde then I didn´t
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23:50<chealer>Beowulf: if you're not using Debian, you're asking the wrong channel.
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23:51<diegox>chealer: If it didn't install alongside kde then I didn´t
23:51<Beowulf>where would that be more appropriate? i suppose a ubuntu irc channel then
23:51<chealer>Beowulf: yes
23:51<chealer>diegox: how exactly did you browse the list of packages?
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23:54<diegox>chealer: I don't remember what exactly was in the list. I remember four categories. The first was "new" or something like that. I used the last one
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23:54<diegox>chealer: It had few packages
23:55<diegox>gnome desktop, kde desktop, and 2 or 3 more
23:56<chealer>diegox: OK. I'd really like to know if kdm is installed.
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23:57<diegox>chealer: I'll check it out
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23:57<diegox>chealer: I'll be back in 5 min. Thank you.
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