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00:10<Supaplex>user01: maybe he belives computers are too haphazard at getting latency sensitive operations accurate
00:11<Supaplex>20ms can be a lot in those situations :)
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01:02<ptr>evening all
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01:10<apeitheo>ptr, everyone's in bed
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01:36<Supaplex>how do I pass ctrl-alt-del through vnc?
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01:47<chealer>Supaplex: which client do you use?
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01:48<Supaplex>vncviewer from etch
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01:50<indraveni>when i am booting into my debian OS, its showing a message like
01:51<indraveni>/bin/sh; can't access tty, job control turned off
01:51<Supaplex>chealer: this is the best information I have found so far.
01:51<indraveni>and displaying a prompt like, (initramfs):
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01:51<indraveni>I am not able to boot into the OS now,
01:51<indraveni>what may be the problem ./
01:51<Supaplex>indraveni: what has changed? when's the last time it worked?
01:52<indraveni>Supaplex, i booted into anothe OS, and from there I have done
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01:52<indraveni>chroot /dev/sda6
01:52<indraveni>and then mount /proc
01:52<indraveni>then without unmounting proc
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01:53<indraveni>i restarted the system and now i am not able to boot into the /dev/sda6
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01:54<Supaplex>indraveni: that alone should not affect the boot loader. did you install anything? run gurb/lilo etc inbetween? What systems are/were reunning before and inside chroot?
01:54<indraveni>i have done chroot, just to start apache web server there
01:54<indraveni>and nothing more than that
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01:55<chealer>Supaplex: sorry, never tried vncviewer
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01:55<indraveni>whn i am trying to mount that sda6 parition from other OS, its showing a mesg in dmesg output like
01:55<indraveni>couldn't mount because of unsuporoted features (1d0000)
01:56<indraveni>Supaplex, I have tried vncviewer, do you need any help in that ?
01:56<Supaplex>screen++ ffs shift+c+a+d wasn't a good idea. :P
01:56<Supaplex>indraveni: send ctrl-alt-del through vnc
01:56<charles>this is my first time here
01:57<charles>mind letting me knw a lil bit of this chat
01:57<indraveni>Supaplex, what r u trying to do exactly using vnc ?
01:57<Supaplex>indraveni: login to a winblows box
01:57<gsimmons_>Supaplex: Does pressing F8 (with the focus on your VNC client window) provide anything? Some clients appear to provide a c+a+d selection option.
01:57<jm_>yeah you can use F8
01:58<jm_>and then you get a popup menu where you can send ctrl-alt-del et al
01:58<Supaplex>nawe, F8 didn't do anything.
01:58<Supaplex>strange, now it does. tried that before.
01:58<jm_>WFM in Etch
01:59<charles>so like no one feels like telling me whats all this is all about
01:59<Supaplex>chealer: it's called IRC
01:59<dpkg>well, irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons
01:59<indraveni>charles, read the channel topic
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02:00<indraveni>Supaplex, I never tried c_a_d with vnc
02:00<Supaplex>chealer: what do you want to know? Are you a news reporter? A new debian user? Do you have a Debian related question?
02:00<indraveni>Supaplex, any idea about my problem /
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02:01<Supaplex>indraveni: 'other os' is debian right? what's file -sk /dev/sda6 show?
02:03<chealer>Supaplex: I'm charles's son!
02:03<Supaplex>GRRRRRrrrr vnclient won't trap alt+f4 either?! what a pile of nonsense.
02:03<Supaplex>chealer: my bad, misdirect :P
02:03<charles>supalex,your who's son?
02:04<charles>chealer,your who's son?
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02:05<chealer>charles: I have no son. it's just that my father's first name is charles, and Supaplex called me charles by mistake.
02:05<charles>chealer,oohhh,am sorry,so how is you doing?
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02:25<indraveni>Supaplex, the output is
02:25<indraveni>Supaplex, /dev/sda6: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, 1st sector stage2 0x2117299, code offset 0x48\012- Linux\012- rev 1\012- .0\012- ext3 filesystem data\012- (needs journal recovery)\012- (large files)
02:28<Supaplex>whoa. keyboard i/o all dead for a few min there.
02:28<indraveni>Supaplex, any idea about the proble from the above output
02:28<Supaplex>so it's ext3. does fsck think it's ok?
02:29<Supaplex>I think rdesktop ate my keyboard (until I killed it off)
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02:29<jm_>file says that? very nice
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02:30<indraveni>Supaplex, whom are u answering ?
02:30<Supaplex>indraveni: you. run fsck /dev/sda6
02:31<indraveni>Supaplex, fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.swap for /dev/sda6
02:31<indraveni>fsck.swap not fount
02:31<Supaplex>your fstab might be wrong. try fsck.ext3 /dev/sda6
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02:41<agus>someone knows wich module I need to mount a floppy?
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02:41<indraveni>Supaplex, its shows superblock is corrupt so run e2fsck
02:41<indraveni>with an alternate superblock
02:42<Supaplex>ewwww. I think you ran grub on your filessytem when it should be on the mbr.
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02:43<jm_>agus: you need floppy driver and fs support
02:43<Supaplex>indraveni: man mkfs.ext3 and see the -n option. maybe you can guess what the alternate superblocks are. it might be faster to start over if you have backups, or there's no important data on there.
02:44<indraveni>Supaplex, I have very important data there
02:44<agus>the thing is tha i cannot find the /dev/fd0 but in de it is in the fstab
02:45<indraveni>Supaplex, what do you mean by start over.You mean to delete
02:45<jm_>grep fd /proc/devices
02:46<indraveni>jm_, whome are you speaking to
02:47<agus>is not anywhere
02:47<jm_>indraveni: the person who asked about floppy and who refuses to prefix things for me with "jm_", so I am returning the favor
02:47<Supaplex>indraveni: I mean your filesystem *might* be corrupt beyond repair. if it's important you should keep backups. what's mkfs.ext3 -n /dev/sda6 report for alternate super blocks it would create? use those offsets with fsck.ext3
02:48<indraveni>Supaplex, but mkfs.ext3 wiil create the filesystem
02:48<agus>jm_: i'm sorry, i'm new on this
02:48<indraveni>Supaplex, will it not delete my backup
02:49<jm_>agus: it makes things easier when several people are talking at once - are you using a Debian kernel?
02:50<Supaplex>indraveni: read all I've said again. see the -n part? man mkfs.ext3 ffs
02:51<agus>jm_: ok, now i know. Yes, the thing is that i compile it by myself, and i'm prety shure that y include all the modules i need, as modules, but now i relly don't know what is wrong, it could be somthing else, but i'm a "litle" lost
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02:53<jm_>agus: go to the dir where you compiled it and run "grep DEV_FD .config"
02:53<indraveni>Supaplex,it shows some set of superblock backups
02:53<indraveni>Supaplex, like 32768,98304, and so on
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02:53<indraveni>what I need to do now
02:54<Supaplex>indraveni: now use one of those on mkfs.ext3
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02:54<Supaplex>my bad, fsck.ext3
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02:55<Supaplex>fsck.ext3 -b 98304 /dev/sda6
02:55<Supaplex>wash rinse repeat until it works, or until you've run out of backup superblocks to try.
02:56<indraveni>Supaplex, ok let me try
02:56<Supaplex>i'm grabbing some shuteye. good luck :)
02:57<agus>jm_: i don't know what it means, it' say this: "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=m"
02:57<indraveni>Supaplex, I did and get segmenattion fault
02:57<Supaplex>try a different backup superblock
02:58<indraveni>Supaplex, all same
02:58<indraveni>I tried 4
02:58<Supaplex>is 4 all there were?
02:58<indraveni>Supaplex, around 7
02:58<Supaplex>did you try all 7?
02:59<Supaplex>7,8,9,14, whatever
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02:59<jm_>agus: ok, modprobe floppy
02:59<indraveni>Supaplex, yes now tried all
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03:00<Supaplex>indraveni: well, that's too bad. sorry. I don't know of any other options, besides backups.
03:01<indraveni>Supaplex, I restarted and it went till some extend I think it may work
03:01<indraveni>Supaplex, now I am able to see all my backups in the console tty
03:02<indraveni>Supaplex, but it does not restart the gnome
03:02<indraveni>Supaplex, it stops at the (press ctrl+D for root password)
03:02<Supaplex>sounds like some progress. goodnight
03:04<agus>jm_: thank you, that's was. No module floppy was loaded, now it can't read the superblok -·$%!"·$!"%!!!!- but maybe the disks are damaged, it's very probably. Later i will see
03:04<agus>jm_; thanks again for the troble
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03:08<jm_>agus: add it to /etc/modules
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03:10<agus>jm_: yes, i know i can do that, I prefer not, i dont use it very offen i don't even have disk that i know that work properly, i'm just cheking how thing work here
03:12<agus>jm_: i prefer load the module if i need it, i'm "tacaño" (sp) with my memory
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03:22<tompan_ava>hi, when i create a new partition the new partition dosent apper in /dev, i have to restart the computer to see it. Is there any way to do this without restarting. Using Debian 4.0
03:22<jm_>tompan_ava: are you creating it on the same device where / is?
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03:24<tompan_ava>jm: no
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03:25<sep>tompan_ava, perhaps udevtrigger ?
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03:25<tompan_ava>what is that?
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03:25<tompan_ava>the device is on a multipathed FC link to our SAN
03:26<tompan_ava>so the device is /dev/mapper/mpath2
03:27<tompan_ava>and the partition should be /dev/mapper/mpath2p1
03:27<tompan_ava>as i can see in fdisk
03:28<jm_>tompan_ava: try sfdisk -R
03:28<sep>tompan_ava, does it act as a scsibus ? there are a few "rescan the scsi bus packages" i'v used scsiadd with success, (never on FC tho)
03:28<jm_>then "dmesg ; cat /proc/partitions"
03:28<riboflavin>how can i make removable device auto mount when inserted?do i need to add at /etc/fstab?
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03:28<jm_>also see man sfdisk for that option
03:29<jm_>riboflavin: modern desktop environments such as GNOME or KDE usually do that automatically
03:30<riboflavin>jm_, how about if i want to make the removable device auto mount with specific fs, like ntfs-3g ?
03:30<tompan_ava>the FC disk act as an SCSI-device ....
03:32<jm_>riboflavin: well in that case I'd do it manually via udev
03:34<tompan_ava>My bad, i had to flush the multipath daemon and reload it, now it works. Thanks any way!
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03:36<deavid>hi; I can't install debian on a Dell machine
03:37<deavid>because that machine has a SATA CDROM
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03:37<deavid>and Knoppix, Debian, and other distros doesn't load the driver...
03:37<deavid>anyone knows... how to install Debian on those PC?
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03:38<jm_>SATA CDROM-s should work fine nowadays
03:38<Eulex>it's about the actual chipset, not that's a sata cdrom.
03:38<Eulex>we need a factoid about that
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03:39<chealer>deavid: what's the controller?
03:39<deavid>I don't know how can i read the factoid
03:40<Eulex>I just created it.
03:40<Eulex>!sata support
03:40<dpkg>sata support is, like, there is not such thing as sata support, look up what sata controller you have instead and look up whether it's supported in linux (and from what kernel version it is)
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03:41<deavid>there's a way to know in Windows what controler is?
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03:41<deavid>BTW, I installed Windows 2000 Server without problems.
03:42<jm_>that factoid makes no sense to me
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03:42<jm_>deavid: should be listed in device manager or somesuch
03:42<gsimmons_>deavid: What Dell machine are you using?
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03:43<deavid>"Dell Vostro 200"
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03:45<deavid>the CDROM is a LG DVDRW
03:45<deavid>HL-DT-ST TVD+-RW GSA-H73M
03:45<gsimmons_>deavid: That uses Intel ICH9. You'll likely need to use an updated installer with a 2.6.23 kernel.
03:45<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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03:46<deavid>dpkg: thanks!
03:46<dpkg>deavid: my pleasure
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03:47<deavid>I was downloading the latest Debian installer... I hope it will work too..
03:47<jm_>verify kernel version on that
03:47<deavid>if not, i'll try the backported images
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03:54<chealer>deavid: if it's not supporte by Linux < 2.6.23, no official d-i will support it.
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04:25<defiant>why would my syslog rotate everyday, even though logrotate.conf is set to rotate weekly?
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04:28<defiant>any ideas?
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04:32<cahoot>defiant: /etc/cron.daily involved?
04:33<jm_>defiant: not all logfiles are rotated by logrotate, see cron jobs
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04:45<Aero>Heyho my question is what is the question - no -_- i try to bring the adress: via DNS or Wins or Samba or sth else too another adress, when a client of my server does to it,, cause my english is not very good, - it should do the same like the file "host" in every wnidows system32 -_-
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04:46<Aero>can anyone tell me, how i can it realize ? So that i not must change it at every PC directly with the host file...
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04:56<tarelerulz>Do any of you rip cd into flac ? if so how much smaller is flac to the cd tracks?
04:56<sooperkuh>aero: sprichst du deutsch?
04:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
04:57<sooperkuh>terelerulz: i think approx 1/3
04:58<sooperkuh>so still quite large
04:59<tarelerulz>Hay SooperKuh I would love to say thanks for the help yesterday . I am sad to say I don't run debian . I run Ubuntu and it is based on it so i thought you all might be able to help me
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05:37<riboflavin>i just installed ntfs-3g, how can i make my external device auto mount with ntfs-3g ?
05:37<riboflavin>do i need to add in /etc/fstab?
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05:40<jm_>devices mentioned in fstab (with flag "auto") are only auto-mounted at boot or if you call mount -a manually
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05:40<jm_>they're not auto-mounted when you plug them in
05:40<jm_>alternatively you could use autofs
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05:41<gsimmons_>riboflavin: See also <> for a NTFS-3G /etc/fstab example.
05:41<BBoyDanny>hi all =)
05:41<riboflavin>hi BBoyDanny
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06:33<EmleyMoor>I am rebuilding the box that was my jabber server (using lenny)... and am looking for any stored data related to ejabberd (such as the registered accounts) from a backup. How do I find and restore it?
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06:57<wireless>vous-étes qui????????????
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07:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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07:05<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:15<user01>weird why is israel mirror the fastest according to apt-spy when im on the otherside of the world?
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07:17<cahoot>ask cia
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07:17<user01>cahoot, i should
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07:19<stmaher>Hey guys..
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07:19<stmaher>Need some help with reverse zones
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07:21<stmaher>Doh just realised I had .. after the NS..
07:21<stmaher>thanks anyways!
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07:25<user01>i wonder if its on a conspiracy page somewhere . . . clearly there is a media conspiracy in the us because the fastest debian server in iowa is to israel ;)
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07:28<user01>hmmm greece was next
07:28<user01>and greece just had fires like in california
07:29<user01>you could go paranoid with an apt-spy list
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07:34<user01>what is the command to clear out cache for db packages? aptitude clean?
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07:47<e|64>could someone give me a hint how to change the console screen resolution
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07:47<e|64>jm_: :)
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07:51<padski>e|64: ISTR there are options you can pass to the kernel at boot
07:52<jm_>kernel docs cover that (vga.txt and FB docs), then there's stm, however it's rather outdated these days
07:53<e|64>padski: cause I got a problem with the system load, I just get a blank screen just till the x window starts
07:53<jm_>or was it svga.txt?
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07:54<padski>e|64: what release are you using ?
07:54<e|64>ubuntu 7.10
07:54<padski>.oO( never ask a question you don't already know the answer to)
07:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
07:55<EmleyMoor>I have just rebuilt my testing box and I can't now connect to ejabberd over ssl on it
07:55<EmleyMoor>It just hangs... how do I track the problem down?
07:55<padski>e|64: I've seen that too. there is help uot there on this, I don't recall the details.
07:55<e|64>ok I'm just googling it
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07:59<sheldonh>i need to generate traffic on some leased lines for which i'm building a linux router, to prove to the telco that they're hosed. the telco isn't interested in "lcp conf reqs are only being received by one end". i tried kermit, but it seems to have a low maximum speed. any alternative recommendations?
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08:00<sheldonh>sorry, i should have mentioned that the wan drivers (farsync) provide /dev/tty_hdlc0 and friends
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08:01<indraveni>hi all
08:01<indraveni>in the debian firefox pacakges, after installation
08:01<indraveni>why is the Check for updates under Help menu is disables
08:01<indraveni>any specific reason
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08:03<EmleyMoor>indraveni: Because updates come from the Debian package system
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08:05<EmleyMoor>(you don't want updates installed outwith it)
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08:08<axxum>hi all
08:08<axxum>any romanian here?
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08:08<padski>sheldonh: you're using ppp on hdlc ?
08:09<indraveni>EmleyMoor, but, if i want to update firefox from the tar file then how can i do it ?
08:09<sheldonh>padski: yup
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08:09<sheldonh>padski: just until i can get my netfilter+iproute solution working
08:09<padski>sheldonh: huh ?
08:09<sheldonh>padski: well, even then, there'll still be ppp, just not with pppd :)
08:10<sheldonh>padski: i'm using pppd for multilink bundling, but it's... disappointing software
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08:10<ce_16_basket>knal dunk
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08:39<ichdasich>i need to downgrade an debian lenny to etch, on a system i don't have physical access to.
08:39<ichdasich>an reinstallation is not an option.
08:39<weasel>good luck.
08:39<gsimmons_>ichdasich: It appears to be the only option available to you.
08:39<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
08:40<padski>ichdasich: could you bootstrap a seperate etch system and boot to it ?
08:40<ichdasich>padski: definatly not :-/
08:40<padski>ichdasich: why not ?
08:40<ichdasich>padski: no seperate disk availabel.
08:41<padski>ichdasich: seperate disk ?
08:41<ichdasich>i would need to resize the ext3
08:41<ichdasich>and this is not possible at all.
08:41<padski>ichdasich: <panto> oh yes it is! </panto>
08:42<ichdasich>padski: i don't want to try it on a system with no physical access.
08:42<ichdasich>no access to the bootloader, nothing. well. it seems like i have to hack sth. together. there is an idea...
08:42<ichdasich>nfs-boot etc.
08:43<ichdasich>thx for your help.
08:44<padski>ichdasich: whatever you do, you might like to check your backups :-)
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08:54<sheldonh>hmmm, netperf
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09:10<anssik>I'm gettin this error when using iptables
09:10<anssik>modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/ (No such file or directory)
09:10<anssik>what to do?
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09:12<cahoot>is that a debian kernel?
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09:17<ranix>I have installed Sarge in a 133mhz laptop with 24 megabytes of ram via floppy disks and am now dist-upgrading to etch
09:17<anssik>Linux XXXXXXX #2 Fri Aug 4 13:55:13 EDT 2006 x86_64
09:17<ranix>anssik: your computer's hostname is XXXXXXX?
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09:17<anssik>i just didnt think it was necessary to put it here :D
09:17<ranix>that's a shame
09:18<EmleyMoor>I can't make an SSL connection to ejabberd in testing any more - it worked before I had to rebuild the system it was on
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09:19<EmleyMoor>It just hangs around if I try now - non-SSL works though
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09:35<MicrosoftSUX>how do i get kubuntu, whats the cmd line to get it?
09:35<azeem_>MicrosoftSUX: ask #kubuntu on freenode, please
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09:35<MicrosoftSUX>azeem_ whats the cmd so i can dl it
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09:35<MicrosoftSUX>i want gnome and kde on my ubuntu box
09:35<azeem_>MicrosoftSUX: did you read what I wrote?
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09:36<MicrosoftSUX>yes, can u not answer my question?
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09:36<MicrosoftSUX>is it that hard
09:36<azeem_>MicrosoftSUX: the #kubuntu means the kubuntu channel, not the #debian channel
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09:36<azeem_>MicrosoftSUX: so ask there not here, because your question is invalid here
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09:58<Kebianizao>any idea where does line 74 in could come from provided this makefile:
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09:59<pmitros>I'm going to be upgrading a Debian 2.2 machine to etch. What is the recommended path? 2.2->3.0->3.1->4, I assume? (Or is it safe to go 2.2->4.0, for instance, or otherwise more directly, or should I do less directly including the r releases?)
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10:03<padski>pmitros: one release at a time, I believe
10:04<Kebianizao>I would do that to be safe as well, maybe it's possible to gap someone, but I don't know
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10:04<pmitros>Okay. I'll do that.
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10:05<padski>Kebianizao: dunno the answer to your question, but could it be some automagical make dependency thing ?
10:05<pmitros>I assume there's no reason to go through the minor releases (3.0r0->3.0r1->...)?
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10:05<Kebianizao>pmitros: no I don't think so either
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10:06<Kebianizao>pmitros: I'd just use first or maybe latest, e.g. 3.0r7
10:06<pmitros>I will do that.
10:06<padski>pmitros: I suppose you'd refer to the release notes in each upgrade
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10:07<pmitros>I wasn't planning to do that, but now that you mention it, it's a good idea
10:07<Kebianizao>padski: where could I look that?, it's quite a simple build
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10:08<padski>Kebianizao: I really have no idea :-) is there a way to tell make to be more verbose ?
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10:09<Kebianizao>padski: yep, I think it's -v
10:10<usuario>como estas?
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10:10<usuario_>hola vielka
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10:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:11<Kebianizao>padski: --debug did it
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10:11<usuario>hola profe
10:11<usuario__>hlo vielka
10:11<Kebianizao>but why are removing intermediate files
10:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:11<usuario__>hola es dohonay
10:11<pmitros>Is there a good way to grab all of the packages needed for a specific release? I have a local Debian mirror with a gigabit connection to it, and I'll be doing an install somewhere without good network, so I wouldn't mind pulling the entire 3.1 and 4.0 releases from it, but I'd prefer to only get the packages for i386 for those releases (as opposed to duplicating the whole mirror, which has many more architectures and releases)
10:11<padski>Kebianizao: you wanted to keep them ?
10:11<Kebianizao>usuario* English only
10:12<Kebianizao>padski: not really, but I want to know why are them removed
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10:12<pmitros>I guess the mirror scripts.
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10:13<usuario__>hola cheme
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10:13<usuario>hola dohonay
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10:16<padski>Kebianizao: it is pretty common in computing to throw away intermediate results ...
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10:17<Kebianizao>padski: so it's a make side effect?
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10:17<padski>Kebianizao: IIUC, it is make doing this, yes.
10:18<Kebianizao>thanks padski :)
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10:20<Dohonay>hola profe
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10:20<usuario>hola hector
10:21<petemc>so the rimatards are no longer using rima
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10:22<christoph>gibt ws irgendwo nen schönes walkthrough für die intel wlan karte ipw3945?
10:22<viky>hola amiga
10:23<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:24<Kebianizao>what'a happenning here this evening? :/
10:24<padski>afternooon here :-)
10:24<christoph>oh sorry! can someone link a good walkthrough for installing intel ipw3945, m-a auto install fails in the first step -.-
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10:29<cahoot>christoph: I used iwlwifi from + the fw file, works perfectly
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10:32<ranix>I recently installed Debian on a laptop and the terminal does not aappear to support linedraw characters. How do I set my terminal (the basic 1-6 terminals) character encoding to UTF-8?
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10:33<simonrvn>set your locale
10:33<Kebianizao>thanks and bye
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10:33<simonrvn>locale will tell you; dpkg-reconfigure locales to set it up
10:33<christoph>thx cahoot, i try it
10:33<ranix>aha, thanks
10:33<ranix>doing that now
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10:34<cahoot>christoph: compared to my earlier epxerience woth bcm43xx this is fresh air
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10:36<christoph>oh sorry! can someone link a good walkthrough for installing intel ipw3945, m-a auto install fails in the first step -.-
10:36<christoph>cahoot, i've installed deban the first time. :)
10:37<simonrvn>ranix: you'll need to choose a proper font too, and set LC_*/LANG in one of your shell confs in ~/
10:37<esaym>whats the best way to protect ssh from script kiddies and stuff? Like ban an ip address after 3 failed log in attempts...
10:37<dpkg>fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using.
10:37<simonrvn>denyhosts, fail2ban
10:37<cahoot>esaym: only accept keybased login
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10:37<gsimmons_>!tell christoph -about ipw3945
10:37<ranix>simonrvn: I wasn't aware you could change the system console fonts
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10:39<ranix>esaym: fail2ban is marginally useful to stop people from hammering your logins and polluting your logs, otherwise I don't find it particularly useful
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10:40<ranix>You'd practically need a quantum computer to have a chance of randomly guessing one of my passwords with a bruteforce
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10:41<esaym>yea but the owner of this server likes his 123456 password and yells when I change it it :(
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10:41<ranix>then let it die and he'll do it right next time
10:42<ranix>don't jump through holes for idiots
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10:47<jannis>hi, kann mir jemand sagen, wie ich bei mir compiz fusion installieren kann? (paketquelle für debian sid)
10:47<padski>umount: /mnt: device is busy
10:47<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:48<jannis>ok, could you please say me what I have to do to install compiz fusion on debian sid? I think I need a package-source for it.
10:49<sooperkuh>apt-get install compiz?
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10:50<padski>I'm having tourble unmounting a loopback mount
10:50<padski>trouble typing too ;-)
10:51<jannis>I tried, but I had no Window-Decorations. On other distris, I had to install emerald, but it ist not available (I also searched on
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10:53<sooperkuh>jannis: compiz should give you window decoration by itself
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10:53<sooperkuh>you should at least get basic window manager functionality with compiz alone
10:54<azeem>jannis: see whether helps
10:54<chantanito>hi,i have a question...
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10:55<esaym>ranix: if it dies then I get to redo it :(
10:55<chantanito>i have 2 Desktops computers, one connected to internet via Wireless and the other connected to the other via LAN...
10:56<chantanito>how can i, or, where do i tell the system the priority of the NIC to use in PC connected to the internet...
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10:56<chantanito>i one it to use first the LAN connection instead of the wireless one..
10:56<shellclear>help-me... i have problem with sound in debian etch amd64...please help me
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10:56<padski>the only non-kernel processes I have left running are init and a bash that I only just logged in on.
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10:56<cahoot>chantanito: ifplugd might be what you want
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10:57<padski>there is not a lot up either of my sleeves
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10:57<padski>it still says umount: /mnt: device is busy
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10:57<shellclear>alguem fala portugues????
10:57<sooperkuh>chantanito: if this does not change, you can simply set a default gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
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10:58<sooperkuh>chantanito: if this does not change, you can simply set a default gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
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10:58<shellclear>algum brasileiro aqui???
10:59<cahoot>padski: fuser -v /mnt is of no use?
10:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:00<padski>cahoot: yes, and I found it. I have a proc mounted in there. d'oh!
11:00<padski>cahoot: tahnks
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11:04<shellclear>my system of sound always initiates in dumb as modifies this?
11:05<shellclear>debian etch
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11:06<cahoot>shellclear: try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
11:06<shellclear>in terminal?
11:07<cahoot>as root too
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11:07<shellclear>ok,but because this happens?
11:08<cahoot>settings not saved for some reason
11:08<cahoot>or not restored
11:10<shellclear>I did not make the installation standard of the system, I can be this?
11:10<cahoot>yes possibly/probably
11:11<shellclear>where they are the edition archives of this property?
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11:13<cahoot>shellclear: sorry - I didn't understand the question
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11:14<shellclear>sorry,I do not speak well English
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11:15<shellclear>alsa-utils not this installed, can be this?
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11:15<cahoot>I'd suspect so
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11:16<andrei_>how can is sahre internet from ubuntu?
11:16<andrei_>pls :)
11:16<reflect>andrei_: #ubuntu
11:18<andrei_>ther's no one there :(
11:18<andrei_>pls help me
11:18<shellclear>what's invoke-rc.d?? script of sound
11:18<pmitros>What will happen if I put Debian on a 160GB disk on a machine with a 137GB limited BIOS? My impression was that I needed a boot partition in the first 137GB, but that Debian would see all of it. Is this correct?
11:18<cahoot>it's a way to run a script in /etc/init.d
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11:19<andrei_>how can is share internet from ubuntu?
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11:20<andrei_>no one know's?
11:20<JasonS>andrei_: you askin #ubuntu, try on
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11:20<sodagood>anyone here really familiar with ssl?
11:21<sodagood>have a question, isn't programming related, is general
11:21<shellclear>cahoot, thanks.... I go to test
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11:22<padski>sodagood: I've had a few nasty brushes with ssl, does that count ?
11:23<sodagood>lol perhaps, my question is inregards to ssl's security, being it's open keyed doesn't this make it rather easy to break with a packetsniffer?
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11:24<sodagood>I mean you do the helo, and all handshake stuff but i fail to see how this stops 3rd partys from spying on your real data
11:24<sodagood>as i've read a few places
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11:31<padski>sodagood: seems way Off-Topic to me. isn't the usual use the public key crypto to exchange the cheaper session keys ?
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11:33<sodagood>yes but how is that secure? private key and public keys great
11:33<sodagood>but you can't have a private key with ssl? heh as it has to support anyone with ssl
11:33<sodagood>so everything have to be public, don't see how this would defeat a packetsniffer in the least
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11:35<schmichael>sodagood: the one on SSL is pretty good too:
11:36<schmichael>sodagood: basically if it could be sniffed, no one would use it... so you need to do a little reading :)
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11:36<padski>ssldump can be handy :-)
11:37<sodagood>haha do it?
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11:37<sodagood>ssl decryption plugins for packetsniffers seem to be abundant
11:37<schmichael>sodagood: you're right... i'm sorry... everyone is lying to you. ssl isn't any more secure than plaintext, you found us out :P
11:38<padski>sodagood: cos they are useful
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11:38<weasel>schmichael: I *KNEW* it!
11:38<qbit>all teh interwebs belong to uses!
11:38<weasel>schmichael: what about areas 1 through 51?
11:39<schmichael>sodagood, padski: from ssldump's homepage: If provided with the appropriate keying material, it will also decrypt the connections and display the application data traffic.
11:39<schmichael>note the part: "If provided with the appropriate keying..."
11:40<weasel>also, if you don't understand how the basic crypto stuff that ssl makes use of works, or at least what it provides, then looking at the protocol layer will not give you any insights anyway
11:40<padski>schmichael: I've had good use out of it. I'm perfectly serious that its a useful tool. yes I understand how it works :-)
11:40<schmichael>padski: i know its useful, but it doesn't sniff ssl packets off a LAN and magically decrypt them
11:40<sodagood>In order to generate the session keys used for the secure connection, the client encrypts a random number with the server's public key, and sends the result to the server. Only the server can decrypt it (with its private key)
11:40<weasel>schmichael: well, maybe if you use a NULL cipher.. :)
11:40<padski>schmichael: no for that you need my magic amulet ;-)
11:41<sodagood>lol how does the server have a magic "private" key that decrypts the data encrypted with the public key
11:41<weasel>sodagood: please get a clue. and this is the wrong place to get that clue.
11:41<sodagood>what sourcery is this!
11:41<weasel>sodagood: ask wikipedia for instance
11:41<weasel>sodagood: or read Schneier: _Applied Cryptography_
11:41<schmichael>sodagood: when you generate a SSL certificate you generate a public/private key pair
11:41<sodagood>lol no i've been in cryptographery over 10 years
11:41<sodagood>you get a clue
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11:42<schmichael>thats awesome
11:42<sodagood>no u
11:42<sodagood>do it
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11:42[~]sodagood dances
11:42<Maulkin>ak sodagood
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11:42<Maulkin>Damn, weasel beat me.
11:42<schmichael>but he's a crypto expert!
11:43<Maulkin>pasting extracts from wikipedia doen't make you an expert, sorry.
11:43[~]weasel pastes from uncyclopedia
11:43<@weasel><-- crypto expert
11:43|-|mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
11:43<schmichael>if that guy had 10 years of crypto experience than i have 100
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11:43<lolwhyumad>hands weasel a tissue
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11:44<Maulkin>Curse you weasel!
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11:44<weasel>Maulkin: here, eat one of mikegrb's cupcakes
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11:45<Maulkin>Don't you mean fruitcake? Oh, look, channel convergence!
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11:45<weasel>Maulkin: wow. that was *cheap*
11:45<Maulkin>Pretty much.
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11:47[~]mikegrb moons Maulkin
11:47<Maulkin>weasel: you invoked him. I blame you
11:48<schmichael>mikegrb: on a roll today eh?
11:50[~]mikegrb nods
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11:55<idefixx>does anyone in here know a free sshfs app for windows that will let me bind the fs to a windows drive letter?
11:56<Maulkin>idefixx: not free, no
11:56<schmichael>idefixx: nope, i just had a friend buy one
11:56<schmichael>winscp is the best i think you can hope for for free
11:57<schmichael>or run linux in a virtual machine and map a network drive between it and the host windows os :P
11:57<idefixx>yeah i found that comercial thing, too :)
11:57<Maulkin>schmichael: you may be able to so something with a linux box and samba
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12:00<wferi>Hi! I'm using pam_ldap, and pam_unix always provides a successful account for the LDAP users, even though nsswitch shadow is set to files only, and getent shadow user doesn't return anything but an exit value of 2. What should I do?
12:01<wferi>I have to use pam_ldap's account checking (based on LDAP group membership).
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12:02<ranix>hey guys, I get nothing when I type hwinfo --framebuffer, as if I'm missing something. I'm using the default 2.6-486 kernel so I believe it has framebuffer support. I don't have any special kernel parameters specified, but when I did vga=ask all I get are 80xXX choices, which are all for 640x480 resolutions
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12:03<ranix>might I be missing a kernel module or something?
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12:03<idefixx>I'll just have to run smbd and tunnel it than... thx for the answers.
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12:12<molnitza>Hello. I need a "default" sources.list for my Debain.
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12:16<molnitza>Thank you S3v3N!
12:16<S3v3N>molnitza: np
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12:16<densin>hi all , where I can find netinst.iso for lenny ? I can't find it
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12:21<fxiny>dell does sun servers
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12:24<withoutnick>hi folk, i install the apt-mirror, and i make a mirror (editing /etc/apt/mirror.list) and run: apt-mirror (more or less 4 hours to download all) with user apt-mirror, no problem, the mirror is ok, I put in apache2 config files, and in clientes in /etc/apt/sources.list, all ok. apt-get update = ok. The problem is: when i do: apt-cache search dput, for example, the package dput show for me, but when i do: apt-get install dput, is not found in my reposi
12:24<withoutnick>tory, this is occour with some packages. somebody can help-me ??
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12:25<Maulkin>withoutnick: sounds like you have a partial mirror. Have you tried running the mirror again?
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12:27<withoutnick>Maulkin, yah, 2 times
12:27<withoutnick>Maulkin, and, any erros
12:27<moranski>Hi guys, does anybody know of a p2p-backed access method for apt ? projects ? D/L from multiple mirrors at the same time ?
12:28<schmichael>moranski: debtorrent
12:28<schmichael>i just started using it yesterday! :D
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12:28<withoutnick>21.9 GiB will be downloaded into archive.
12:28<withoutnick>Downloading 42737 archive files using 20 threads...
12:28<withoutnick>Begin time: Wed Nov 14 12:22:58 2007
12:28<withoutnick>[20]... [19]... [18]... [17]... [16]... [15]... [14]... [13]... [12]... [11]... [10]... [9]... [8]... [7]... [6]... [5]... [4]... [3]... [2]... [1]... [0]...
12:28<withoutnick>End time: Wed Nov 14 15:07:56 2007
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12:29<Maulkin>!debtorrent is a way of distributing .deb packages using BitTorrent. See for details
12:29<dpkg>okay, Maulkin
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12:29<withoutnick>Maulkin, there are a command to check my mirror integridity ?
12:29<Maulkin>schmichael: the idea has been around a lot longer since yesterday...
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12:30<Maulkin>withoutnick: not sure with apt-mirror I'm afraid, I use rsync.
12:30<withoutnick>;( somebody can help-me ?
12:30<Maulkin>withoutnick: what happens when you run it again?
12:30<withoutnick>Maulkin, more 4 hours
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12:31<Maulkin>withoutnick: eww.
12:31<Maulkin>withoutnick: look at rsync
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12:31<Maulkin>withoutnick: debmirror?
12:31<withoutnick>but the apt-mirror can work with rsync ?
12:32<Maulkin>No idea
12:32<schmichael>Maulkin: ? i was just saying *i* personally started using it yesterday... i'm aware its been around for a while..
12:32<Maulkin>Well, I'd suggest debmirror. I've never used apt-mirror
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12:35<Reannys>somos del mismo equipo para no ir mas lejos
12:35<withoutnick>Maulkin, thanks, i will look for debmirror
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12:35<Jeusmary>hola andrea de donde eres?
12:36<Reannys>del tocuyo y tu?
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12:36<Reannys>quieres ser de nuestro equipo
12:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:36<doodoo>Someone know qmail or postfix?
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12:37<Maulkin>Ahh, ta Eulex
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12:38<usuario>whats so
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12:38<schmichael>doodoo: i know postfix some
12:38<Maulkin>JOSE: /j #debian-es
12:38<Reannys>estas retrasado neyda
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12:39<fxiny>vi are unter attack !
12:39<doodoo>schmichael : ok goog, i want to install a proxy mail
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12:39<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
12:39<doodoo>schmichael : i want a proxy mail in my dmz (with webamil) and i have an exchange in my LAN
12:40<doodoo>schmichael : you know what is the best between qmail or postfix for made a proxy mail
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12:40<schmichael>doodoo: i've never used qmail, but i've used postfix in a similar situation
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12:41<doodoo>schmichael, oh great
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12:41<doodoo>schmichael, so you made a proxy mail?
12:41<schmichael>doodoo: you'll be setting up postfix as a "smarthost"
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12:41<schmichael>at least for outgoing smtp
12:41<schmichael>unfortunately i have to leave :-/ sorry
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12:49<vsayikiran>i am able to watch youtube video, does anyone have any fix for this problem
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12:50<ranix>vsayikiran: don't go to Youtube?
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12:50<vsayikiran>sorry not able to watch videos on youtube
12:50<ranix>aah, that's different
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12:50<vsayikiran>ranix: i have installed the latest flashplayer and java
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12:51<vsayikiran>please anyone help me, i am able see videos posted in youtube
12:51<ranix>vsayikiran: I have not run into a problem with that before and am unable to help; sorry
12:52<fxiny>does about:plugins show anything ?
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12:52<vsayikiran>i am not able to see videos in youtube, i have installed the latest java, and flashpalyer
12:52<fxiny>vsayikiran: check about:plugins
12:53<vsayikiran>fxiny: yes , it shows java script disabled or install latest flash player
12:53<vsayikiran>fxiny: but i have installed the java-bin package
12:53<fxiny>enable java script
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12:53<vsayikiran>fxiny: how
12:53<piju>hello all
12:53<piju>can i ask about porn-get ?
12:54<fxiny>why is disabled ?
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12:54<vsayikiran>fxiny: i dont know anything, but tell me how to enable it
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12:55<vsayikiran>fxiny: how to install latest flash plugin
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12:56<vsayikiran>i am not able to watch videos on youtube website, i have java script enabled browser and i have installed the latest flash plugin, please help me
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12:57<fxiny>vsayikiran: btw : is the "latest java version > java version "1.6.0_03" ?
12:57<qbit>vsayikiran, did you restart firefox?
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12:58<vsayikiran>qbit: i am using iceweasel browser and not firefox
12:58<qbit>vsayikiran, right.. did you restart it?
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12:58<fxiny>vsayikiran: fine , any plugin blocking java script ?
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12:58<vsayikiran>fxiny: how and where should i check version number
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12:59<fxiny>vsayikiran: did you install the official debian java packaged ? if yes don't worry about it
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13:00<vsayikiran>fxiny: yes, apt-get install sun-java5-bin
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13:00<qbit>java is kinda a moot point in regards to flash, no?
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13:01<vsayikiran>fxiny: i installed it few days back, then what exactly is causing the problem
13:02<vsayikiran>qbit: i have restarted the browser still not working
13:02<fxiny>vsayikiran: you said "the latest" , debian packaged java is fine , to run sun java 1.6.0_03 you have to run update-alternatives
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13:02<qbit>put "about:plugins" in your addy bar .. see if flash is listed
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13:04<vsayikiran>fxiny: no its java 1.5
13:04<fxiny>vsayikiran: if youtube is telling you java script is not enabbled > edit > preferences > content
13:04<qbit>javascript != java
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13:04<fxiny>java is not java script
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13:05<vsayikiran>qbit: flash plugin is not installed
13:05<fxiny>vsayikiran: are you sure any iceweasel/firefox plugin blocks flash and/or java script ?
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13:06<qbit>vsayikiran, k there is your problem.. are you sure that the flash plugin actually downloaded? I know that if you are behind a proxy it will only be partly installed
13:06<vsayikiran>fxiny: i want to update to the latest java plugin, ie 1.6 , my browser is having 1.5
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13:07<vsayikiran>qbit: yes i run this command, apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
13:07<qbit>right.. are you behind a proxy?
13:07<vsayikiran>qbit: ofcourse i am behind proxy
13:07<corey>Hi all, I'm having trouble writing to a floppy disk due to the lack of permissions, when I try to change the permissions, it keeps telling me its a read-only drive, any ideas?
13:08<qbit>re-install it but export "http_proxy=http://yourproxy:yourport"
13:08<qbit>and it should download the flash package
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13:09<vsayikiran>qbit: you are asking me to run apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
13:09<vsayikiran>corey: see the contents of /etc/fstab
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13:09<qbit>apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
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13:10<qbit>after doing "export http_proxy=http://blablaba:bla"
13:11<cdlu>rjv11263, wrong network.
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13:11<doodoo>Someone know qmail or postfix?
13:12<vsayikiran>qbit: do i have to close iceweasel while installing flashplugin
13:12<koollman>doodoo: that's not a very good question :)
13:12<qbit>vsayikiran, i would .. you don't have to .. just make sure you restart it after install
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13:12<doodoo>koollman, it is in order to do a proxy mail
13:12<rvj11263>does someone know how to get Gusty 7.10 to see my Maxtor II EXT HD to work..?
13:13<qbit>what is Gusty 7.10?
13:13<Maulkin>qbit: ask #ubuntu
13:13<rvj11263>ubuntu 7.10
13:13<vsayikiran>!tell rvj11263 about Gutsy 7.10
13:13<Maulkin>oh, sorry, rvj11263
13:14<Maulkin>rvj11263: you want #ubuntu
13:14<corey>vsayikiran, /dev/sdg /media/floppy0 auto defaults,users,noauto,umask=000 0 2
13:14<rvj11263>how do I get #ubuntu...?
13:14<qbit>./join #ubuntu
13:14<vsayikiran>qbit: please tell me how to update the java plugin from 1.5 to 1.6
13:14<qbit>vsayikiran, you are on your own with that :)
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13:15<vsayikiran>qbit: but how to do it
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13:16<qbit>no clue
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13:17<fxiny>vsayikiran: there is nothing wrong with debian provided java package . i happen to run 1.6.0_03 on etch cause i'm curious . there is no need for 1.6 plugin anyway but just : man update-alternatives
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13:18<vsayikiran>fxiny: i am also using etch, will v 1.5 help me to watch youtube videos
13:19<qbit>vsayikiran, java has nothing to do with flash
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13:21<vsayikiran>qbit: i am not telling it has to do with flash but when i open youtube website a msg comes saying java script disabled, but actually it is enabled
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13:21<qbit>vsayikiran, javascript is not java
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13:22<fxiny>vsayikiran: i told you before you must enable java script : scroll up
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13:22<qbit>vsayikiran, totally different .. you need to enable javascript in your browser Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Check "Enable JavaScript"
13:22<fxiny>or tell the no-script plugin to p* off
13:22<vsayikiran>qbit: this is the error msg after reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree Download done.md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
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13:23<fxiny>tar.gz ?
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13:24<vsayikiran>qbit: what does that error mean
13:24<qbit>vsayikiran, maybe your proxy is changing something during the download... try removing that file and redoing the apt-get --reinstall stuff
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13:25<vsayikiran>qbit: so i should delete it form /var/cache folder and then run apt-get --reinstall
13:25<rvj11263>how do I remove aircrack-ng, I do not see it in the add/remove...
13:25<fxiny>is just a matter of extracting a couple of files and ln a symlink : no alchemy is involved it the "process" :P
13:26<vsayikiran>qbit: i have chechked properly java script in enabled
13:26<fxiny>is the no-script plugin installed ?
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13:27<fxiny>check your ~/.mozilla/firefox for a plugins dir
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13:27<qbit>vsayikiran, also check if you see a popup you have js enabled
13:28<fxiny>and check for the correct flash path in ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat
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13:28<corey>vsayikirin I just changed my vstab file so it reads vfat instead of auto for filetype, still didn't work, any ideas?
13:28<fxiny>in case something messed it up
13:29<qbit>i would check /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
13:29<qbit>for a symlink
13:29<vsayikiran>qbit: yes i saw the pop up
13:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
13:30<vsayikiran>qbit: so finally which path should i check for correct plugins
13:31<qbit>/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ .. as the package will create them here..
13:31<qbit>the ~/.mozilla/firefox/blablab/plugins is for user specific plugins
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13:32<rvj11263>!remove aircrack-ng
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13:33<qbit>rvj11263, open a terminal and do "sudo apt-get remove aircrack-ng"
13:33<rvj11263>thank you...
13:33<fxiny>vsayikiran: check for this two files down /usr/lib , could be in a firefox or iceweasel subdir : flashplayer.xpt and , they must be owned bu root
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13:34<vsayikiran>fxiny: yes those files are there
13:34<fxiny>so what about:plugins say ?
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13:34<fxiny>does it detect that version ?
13:35<vsayikiran>fxiny: sorry they are only shortcuts
13:35<qbit>fxiny, it's failing to install the tar.gz
13:35<qbit>so ... the links will be there.. but broken
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13:35<vsayikiran>qbit: yes now i am reinstalling
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13:36<vsayikiran>qbit: it is downloading from net the tar.gz file
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13:36<fxiny>hmmm a nasty proxy ? download the deb with your browser
13:36<qbit>its' gettin the deb fine
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13:36<vsayikiran>fxiny: please gimme the link for deb pacakge
13:37<qbit>vsayikiran, no need
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13:38<vsayikiran>fxiny: i will paste about:plugin please check it
13:38<fxiny>vsayikiran: not here
13:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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13:41<qbit>hmm.. looks like the etch package is broken .. i get md5sum mismatch as well
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13:42<fxiny>vsayikiran: 18:55 < Maulkin> !flash
13:42<dpkg>flash is probably
13:42<vsayikiran>qbit: so this is not problem with my proxy or etch, its a general problem
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13:42<qbit>looks like
13:42<fxiny>vsayikiran: could you read it please ?
13:43<vsayikiran>qbit: same problem
13:43<vsayikiran>qbit: md5sum mismathc
13:43<qbit>yeah.. read the wiki page
13:43<qbit>known bug
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13:44<qbit> that's pretty bad ..
13:45[~]qbit is just as mad at debian as he is with his iphone - at least for not having flash
13:46<fxiny>vsayikiran: following the debian way is safe , i already told you this is just a two files problem + a symlink , flash/atrope annoys me so much but i want to be fair with you
13:46<vsayikiran>qbit: i have to wait for next release of etch 4.0r2 update
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13:47<fxiny>vsayikiran: no need to wait lemme check bpo
13:47<vsayikiran>fxiny: i understood that because of some bug i cannot install flashplugin-nonfree
13:48<vsayikiran>fxiny: then how you have installed in etch and how is it working in your pc
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13:49<dpkg>i heard is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
13:49<fxiny>if atrope will go bust i'll give up drinking :P
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13:50<fxiny>vsayikiran: check bpo home page for instructions
13:50<vsayikiran>fxiny: what is backport
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13:51<vsayikiran>fxiny: smth which is unofficial repos
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13:52<rvj11263>how do you load tar.gz on .deb...?
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13:52<fxiny>vsayikiran: atrope flash is the evil not bpo ppl
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13:53<fxiny>vsayikiran: that is the same flash you can get from adobe : bpo ppl are doing it easy for you to install it via apt
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13:53<vsayikiran>fxiny: i will download and install this file
13:53<miksuh>rvj11263: what do you mean?
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13:54<rvj11263>when you dowload a program that says tar.gz and it will not load...
13:55<miksuh>I still don't knoiw what you men
13:55<miksuh>you can't install simple tar.gz archives using apt.-get etc
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13:55<rvj11263>im a newbie... thank you...
13:56<rvj11263>I'm learning, trying to let windows go...
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13:56<miksuh>few typos, but I'm damn tired.. long day..
13:56<fxiny>rvj11263: a tar.gz is an archive ; open it up by running tar xvf yoyr.tar.gz and read the README/INSTALL file
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13:57<fxiny>rvj11263: are yo usure debian is not providing a better way ? what are you after ?
13:57<rvj11263>in the terminal...?
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13:57<vsayikiran>fxiny: is there any problem if i add bpo line in my sources.list
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13:57<fl> hi all, I am running on KDE4 beta 4 with a Debian sid/experimental, and i know it is stupid but i don't find how i can change the desktop wallpaper, anyone has a idea ?
13:57<fxiny>vsayikiran: will be fine : read instructions on bpo home page
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13:58<rvj11263>trying to load edu program for my kids and they all say "unble to load"
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13:59<fxiny>rvj11263: you running kde ?
13:59<fl>yes of course :D
13:59<fxiny>not you :)
13:59<rvj11263>I don't really know...?
13:59<fl>sorry for my english :D
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14:00<icwiener>Hi, I have a problem with xserver-xorg in Sid. It says "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10". Is it possible to get more information about the problem?
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14:00<Assid>i have exim4-config installed however..i cant find any binary as that
14:00<fxiny>rvj11263: ok : do you know what debian version is that one ?
14:00<rvj11263>how do I tell...? <fxiny>
14:00<Assid>anyone know how do you configure it ? dpkg-reconfigure says it cant be done
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14:01<fl>icwiener: cat /var/log/dpkg.log
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14:01<icwiener>fl: It only says "status half-configured xserver-xorg 1:7.3+3"
14:02<vsayikiran>whenever my debian boots it waits for one minute at StartingMTA: exim4, i want to remove this thing
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14:02<fxiny>rvj11263: what cat /etc/debian_version say ?
14:02<fl>icwiener: try this : apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
14:02<mediator>Does anyone know how to give control to normal users on network devices?
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14:03<icwiener>fl: The same.
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14:04<mediator>Does anyone know how to give control to normal users on network devices?
14:04<fl>icwiener: if the apt-get command doesnt work try : dpkg -P --force-all xserver-xorg
14:04<vsayikiran>i want to remove this message during system boot up StartingMTA:
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14:04<monra>when i write ls -l i see -rwx-w---- for example some have a big T in the end. what's this?
14:04<fl>icwiener: and reinstall the stuff
14:04<rvj11263>how do I find that information <fxiny>...?
14:04<fxiny>Assid: i don't have exim4 around atm : less /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
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14:05<icwiener>fl: Same again. Just the script that gives the error changed from post-installation to pre-removal.
14:05<sooperkuh>icwiener: It think this is a bug ...
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14:05<icwiener>In Xorf 7.3 or in the debian package?
14:05<sooperkuh>ran across that too ... you can reconfigure as often as you want wont help
14:06<sooperkuh>dunno, just look through bts with your exact error string
14:06<vsayikiran>fxiny: do you how to remove StartingMTA during boot process
14:06<icwiener>Hmm, a pity. Would be nice if there were more information on such problems.
14:06<fxiny>rvj11263: open a terminal and type : cat /etc/debian_version
14:07<icwiener>sooperkuh: Yup, already there. :)
14:07<vsayikiran>monre: sticky bit
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14:08<sooperkuh>icwiener: this is isn't it?
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14:08<monra>anybody knows what does the T means when seeing it in files permmission in ls -l. i trried man ls and man chmod but didn't find anything
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14:09<icwiener>sooperkuh: Another error message.
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14:09<icwiener>sooperkuh: But xorg.conf is empty as well.
14:10<vsayikiran>monra: its sticktbit
14:10<sooperkuh>icwiener: in the case of my bug it would not write an xorg.conf but choke on it
14:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
14:10<monra>vsayikiran, could you tell me more about it or send me to a manual?
14:10<vsayikiran>!sticky bit
14:10<dpkg>it has been said that sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix.
14:10<noflash>monra, when you do man ls you don't find your answer?
14:11<icwiener>sooperkuh: I'll try the sugestion made in the report.
14:11<monra>noflash, i looke at -l and did show anything
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14:11<vsayikiran>monra: you search for sticky bit in google, you will definitely get
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14:11<monra>vsayikiran, yup. ok thanks
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14:12<noflash>ok :)
14:12<vsayikiran>monra: T means if x is set on other users
14:12<rvj11263>this is what I get <fxiny> "no infrmation"
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14:12<monra>vsayikiran, interesting.. let's see
14:12<vsayikiran>monra: if x is not set then sticky bit is 't'
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14:13<monra>vsayikiran, hm? i have some files not set x for all users and it's not t
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14:14<vsayikiran>monra: if you set x for other users then 't' changes to 'T'
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14:15<vsayikiran>monra: the basic function is same it doesnt matter whether it is 't' or 'T'
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14:16<monra>din't quite get
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14:18<fxiny>vsayikiran: check your /etc/resolv.conf
14:18<vsayikiran>fxiny: why?
14:18<fxiny>rvj11263: for exim timeout
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14:18<Assid>okay can someone help me with exim4
14:19<Assid>i dont see a exim4-config binary
14:19<vsayikiran>i want to remove exim4 is it oK
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14:19<vsayikiran>fxiny: why did you ask me to check the file
14:19<fxiny>rvj11263: if i understand you : are you trying to help your kids ?
14:20<fxiny>vsayikiran: 20:06 < vsayikiran> fxiny: do you how to remove StartingMTA during boot process
14:20<vsayikiran>fxiny: ok so what to do next
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14:21<fxiny>i run postfix now : i'm trying to remember
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14:21<vsayikiran>fxiny: then tell how to remove that message, i have opened the resolv.conf file
14:22<ranix>running on a 133mhz pentium with 24 megabytes of ram right now
14:22<ranix>check me out, how cool is this
14:22<fxiny>Assid: what happen if you run : dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ?
14:22<Maulkin>Assid: what wre you trying to do?
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14:23<vsayikiran>what is the hell is exim4?
14:23<Assid>fxiny, Maulkin dpkg-reconfigure says to use exim4-config .. but there is no exim4-config binary
14:23<Maulkin>vsayikiran: a mail server
14:23<Maulkin>Assid: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
14:23<fxiny>vsayikiran: is it empty ? add your isp nameserver in there
14:23<vsayikiran>exim4 delays my booting process by one minute
14:24<Maulkin>vsayikiran: follow fxiny's advice
14:24<andrej>how do i extract encrypted rar (i know the pass) ?
14:24<vsayikiran>fxiny: yes it has two lines
14:24<dpkg>rar is, like, an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar>
14:24<dpkg>i heard unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
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14:24<Maulkin>andrej: make sure you have non-free and contrib souces, and install unrar
14:25<andrej>i did
14:25<vsayikiran>fxiny: this is what it has by default nameserver
14:25<vsayikiran>fxiny: should i empty this file
14:26<Maulkin>andrej: have you read 'man unrar'?
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14:26<vsayikiran>:) bpo hurray!!
14:27<vsayikiran>fxiny: should i empty that file in order to disable exim4
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14:28<fxiny>vsayikiran: absolutely not
14:28<Maulkin>vsayikiran: you can't disable exim4 completely. Debian relies on a working amil system.
14:28<andrej>not yet :)
14:28<vsayikiran>fxiny: but it delays the booting process and i have to wait for one more minute
14:29<dpkg>rumour has it, zip is the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PK-Zip. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them.
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14:29<vsayikiran>Maulkin: but why is it necessary, i dont want to run any mail server in my etch
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14:31<vsayikiran>Maulkin: please can i reduce the time StartingMTA waits untill it shows login prompt?
14:34<Maulkin>vsayikiran: look at nullmailer
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14:35<sepski>vsayikiran, it's probably a dns timeout. becouse you have inadequatly configured dns or hosts file. (or used wrong hostname for the mta)
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14:35<sepski>add the host that the mta uses to the hostsfile is one way to do it.
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14:36<vsayikiran>sepski: why at all need a mta , its a mail server which i am not using, i dont require it
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14:36<vsayikiran>sepski: what changes do i have to make to reduce the dns timeout
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14:36<sepski><sepski> add the host that the mta uses to the hostsfile is one way to do it.
14:37<sepski>having a proper dns setup is another
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14:37<Assid>err.. exim4 doesnt handle SSL ?
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14:37<vsayikiran>sepski: i dont know exactly what to do , /etc/resolve.conf file is already configured with dns ip address
14:37<sepski>vsayikiran, mta is your systems way of alerting you of things. if you prefer to ignore early warning signs and just run it into the ground then that's your choise
14:38<Assid>Maulkin you still around?
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14:38<sepski>vsayikiran, /etc/hosts
14:38<vsayikiran>sepski: what type of warnings will it give me
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14:39<vsayikiran>sepski: multi on this is what i have in /etc/host.conf
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14:39<sepski>vsayikiran, if you knew that ahead of time you woudnt need it now would you :)
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14:39<sepski> /etc/hosts
14:40<sepski>and i feel you need to read man hosts too
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14:41<sepski>vsayikiran, but many services sends mail to root when things happen cron beeing one of them.
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14:42<vsayikiran>sepski: can i get detail idea of this exim4 stuff
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14:43<vsayikiran>sepski: i didnt really get why a serivce send mail to root, i am not using any server here
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14:44<vsayikiran>sepski: if that MTA is needed let it be, just i want to reduce the time my pc boots up
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14:45<fxiny>vsayikiran: sepski is right . your two resolv.conf lines should be ok . check /etc/network/interfaces for a dns-namserver line
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14:46<reflect_>anyone know what would cause my X windows to just start over and over and over at startup?
14:47<vsayikiran>fxiny: i have doubt what exactly is OK with /etc/resove.conf
14:47<fxiny>vsayikiran: is ok
14:47<reflect_>it keeps crashing, everything was working fine before rebooting
14:47<vsayikiran>fxiny: dns-nameservers
14:47<vsayikiran>fxiny: is it OK?
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14:48<fxiny>vsayikiran: comment it out
14:48<fxiny>is it on interfaces ?
14:48<vsayikiran>fxiny: is not OK
14:48<vsayikiran>fxiny: yes
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14:49<fxiny>vsayikiran: your resolv conf should have a seaerwch line too but that is not affecting exim timeout
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14:49<vsayikiran>fxiny: what will happen if i remove that line completely instead uncommenting it?
14:49<fxiny>it hangs casue thinks is not responding
14:49<fxiny>vsayikiran: don't
14:51<vsayikiran>fxiny: now what changes do i need to do in /etc/resolve.conf
14:51<fxiny>vsayikiran: check your hosts file your hostname and so on or let dnsmasq "smartness" sort things out installing it for example and adding namserver to your /etc/sìresolv.conf
14:52<fxiny>vsayikiran: but check what happen if you comment out the interfaces dns line
14:52<vsayikiran>fxiny: now i have restart and see
14:53<Assid>fxiny.. for some strange reason exim is failing my ssl/tls verification
14:53<Assid>how do i just make it NOT use the ssl verficaiton at all
14:53<fxiny>Assid: i run postfix
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14:53<fxiny>Assid: i'm sorry : can't remember too much
14:54<fxiny>anyway exim is fine
14:54<reflect_>any ideas how to fix this, it keeps trying to boot into X even though it crashes about every 3 seconds... Its doing this every 2-3 minutes
14:54<cahoot>reflect_: boot into single user and reconfigure x
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14:55<Assid>fxiny: know how do you check a remote servers SSL certificate if itsd valid ? though openssl ?
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14:58<Assid>oh crap.. my certificate has expired
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14:59<vsayikiran>fxiny: i changed in /etc/network/interface no change
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15:01<fxiny>is impossible : it hang till timeout cause it thinks your is up and is not responding
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15:03<fxiny>just find out what is telling is up : that's not resolv.conf is something else
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15:08<Fawkes>is there anyone which knows ircd under debian?
15:09<Fawkes>I have got a problem with it...
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15:10<JasonS>!tell Fawkes about ask
15:10[~]Vanye didn't know they've added ircd.
15:10<Fawkes>I've installed the ircd and configured the ircd.conf and ircd.motd... but how can I start the server?
15:11<Fawkes>fyi: I am a linux noob ^^
15:11<JasonS>Fawkes: do you really want to run an irc server? they tend to be more pain then they're worth :)
15:11<Vanye>Have you looked for a script in /etc/rc.d?
15:11<Fawkes>yes, there are only 4 files
15:11<Fawkes>ircd.conf ircd.motd oper.motd remote.motd
15:11<cahoot>he prolly means /etc/init.d
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15:12<Vanye>Sorry. Using Slackware and FreeBSD init script garbage.
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15:13<Fawkes>ah, ic... in the init.d folder there is a file ircd-ircu ...
15:13<Fawkes>do I have to start this one?
15:13<nethawk>hi all
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15:15<Vanye>IIRC, there should be a script in /etc.initrd, and in /etc/rc?.d there will be start and kill links to the script. The '?' denotes which runlevel.
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15:16<Vanye>Does anyone recall a cubish fileserver case on castors in the back of Computer Shopper, with maybe 6 external bays on one side and maybe 10 inside, and know where to find it?
15:16<Vanye>I'm trying to put together a new 64-bit system, and I'm having a problem identifying the box because I lost my sight back in 2002. TIA.
15:17<JasonS>Fawkes: if you're new to linux perhaps running an irc server isn't the best thing to be doing
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15:19<Vanye>Should still be good experience in dealing with root-kits.
15:19<Fawkes>yeah, i just found that out ^^ that's nothing for a noob like me
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15:20<apeitheo>What are all the packages I need to develop in Java? (trying to use certain things from java.util.* fails because it's missing?) I have gcj installed.
15:20[~]xtox saluta tutti!!
15:22<flub>anybody know how you get cpu usage (in % or so) from /proc? i only have d-i running...
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15:23<nethawk>hmmm anyone use PyWM here before?
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15:24<schmichael>anyone know why netselect-apt would be telling me its unable to find a mirror?
15:24<schmichael>traceroutes work for me
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15:36<Cosmo^>anyone particularly knowledgeable about Compiz/Beryl ?
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15:38<Cosmo^>i've managed to get Compiz up and running (took me a while to work out where Beryl had gone) but i've no idea why emerald isn't in the repo's anymore
15:39<CyberMatt>god for you
15:39<Cosmo^>not entirely sure how to go about getting hold of emerald, it was avaliable in the Etch repo's last time i tried it
15:40<qbit>Cosmo^, just use this repo ( not supported here really )
15:40<lontra>Cosmo^: i'm pretty sure emerald has never been in debian
15:40<Cosmo^>hmm, and i've just noticed from that that my alternative for x-www-browser has changed itself back to konqueror ... heh
15:40<CyberMatt>or pull from Ubuntu's repo
15:41<lontra>CyberMatt: don't mix ubuntu and debian sources
15:41<CyberMatt>not in the sources.list
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15:41<lontra>CyberMatt: but you're talking about installing ubuntu packages on debian?
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15:42<qbit>i would go with the debian packages .. don't mix ubuntu in
15:42<CyberMatt>i do it all the time
15:42<lontra>CyberMatt: it'll break your system eventually
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15:42<Cosmo^>i'll check out the one just linked in
15:42<CyberMatt>and i mix in debian and Ubuntu
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15:43<lontra>Cosmo^: if you want to use compiz-fusion you should add shame's repo that qbit that is built on debian
15:43<qbit>CyberMatt, it will kick ya at some point
15:43<Cosmo^>yeah just trying to add it now
15:43<Cosmo^>to sources.list
15:43<lontra>qbit: he'll get broken packages soon enough
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15:44<CyberMatt>what should i do rebuild Ubuntu stuff in a sid chroot
15:44<qbit>uh... just run ubuntu
15:44<Cosmo^>hmm ... now i still can't get my head around adding third party repo's into sources.list
15:44<lontra>CyberMatt: sure ... get the ubuntu source and rebuild it with debian packages
15:44<qbit>mixing is bad
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15:44<Cosmo^>as it just wanders off trying to find it's own directory for lenny
15:45<Cosmo^>even though the Packages.gz is in the dir i've specified
15:45<CyberMatt>i run em both
15:45<Cosmo^>deb lenny main
15:45<qbit>Cosmo^, put "deb ./"
15:45<Cosmo^>ah, gotcha
15:45<lontra>CyberMatt: what could you need in ubuntu that isn't in debian sid?
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15:46<lontra>CyberMatt: you could rebuild them for your machine and try to get a mentor and help debian out
15:46<CyberMatt>oh that reminds me
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15:47<CyberMatt>gotta port the php5 from sid to gutsy just to see how php goes together
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15:48<CyberMatt>package wise
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15:49<CyberMatt>and i am creating packages
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15:50<CyberMatt>and wouldn't ya know first one i submit doesn't build
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15:57<hachi_>anyone know how to use udevinfo on network devices?
15:58<hachi_>I'm trying to find a way that I can make a consistent name for one of my network devices, not using MAC address
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16:00<Cosmo^>... i liked Beryl more ... it worked 8(
16:01<qbit>check the compiz-fuzion wiki's
16:01<qbit>i had to do some xorg.conf tweaks to getit working
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16:01<Cosmo^>well i had it working earlier
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16:01<Cosmo^>except then it went a bit tits up because i tried to install Emerald
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16:02<Cosmo^>now i can't seem to purge my system of everything compiz related and start again from scratch
16:02<MicrosoftSUX>i need ie 6 for ubuntu, can anyone help me out?
16:02<JasonS>MicrosoftSUX: ya #ubuntu can
16:03<JasonS>and why on earth do you want IE anyhow?
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16:06<Cosmo^>i also need to work out why on earth KDE suspends my machine every time it boots
16:06<Cosmo^>might just give up on KDE ... haha
16:06<qbit>fluxbox ftw!
16:06<Cosmo^>i now have a laptop powerful enough to use something a bit more heavyweight 8)
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16:07<qbit>could put vista on :O
16:07<Cosmo^>i'll try gnome and see how that turns out
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16:08<Cosmo^>probably fuck my system up even more and end up formatting, haha
16:08<Cosmo^>always seems to happen, can't get wireless working on here either because i'm having problems compiling the kernel
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16:12<qbit>Cosmo^, whoa.. why you compiling the kernel? .. should just need to build a module agains your `uname -r`'s headers
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16:12<Cosmo^>i've always found it easier to just recompile the kernel if the newer kernel supports my wireless (which it does)
16:12<Cosmo^>i always seem to have grief compiling kernel modules against the debian headers
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16:13<Cosmo^>i normally compile a new kernel myself anyway when i install Debian
16:13<Cosmo^>except for some reason on this install it doesn't read the saved config correctly and make-kpkg goes through asking me what i want to do for every kernel option ...
16:14<qbit>module-assistant is your friend :)
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16:15<Cosmo^>can't seem to find the source for the kernel modules for the driver i need anyway
16:15<Cosmo^>i did find it once but the link to the tar 404'ed, can't find it anymore
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16:17<flub>/dev/mapper/ does not show my logical volumes but lvs does, how do i get /dev/mapper populated?
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16:20<hacker>nån från sverige
16:21<qbit>yeah, me too
16:21<dpkg>i guess se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
16:21<hacker>i need dirivers to my wireless, belkin router,, wep?
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16:22<cahoot>router runs linux? or you mean driver for your wifi device?
16:23<hacker>wifi ..
16:23<hacker>sorry for my nick , i am new on debian
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16:23<Cosmo^>hmm, ok, now i need to work out how the hell to set dpi with gdm ...
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16:26<cahoot>hacker: you need figure out make/model/chipset - lspci -v might help, or lsusb
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16:26<qbit>or dmidecode
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16:26<kaiser_bernhard>PRIVMSG #debian :jPART #debian
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16:27<EmleyMoor>I'm not getting any sense out of autofs on my recently rebuilt system - there's nothing in the directory where the mount points are supposed to be and if I symlink, stuff doesn't seem to exist
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16:32<EmleyMoor>How do I actually make autofs work?
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16:35<qbit>you have /etc/autofs/ and all that ?
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16:38<EmleyMoor>Yes, I do
16:38<EmleyMoor>I can't get the mount points to be usable
16:41<qbit>heh :) no clue i haven't touched autofs in years
16:43<hacker>hi again SiS 755 my chip
16:44<cahoot>for the wifi?
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16:44<hacker>Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
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16:45<amphi>hacker: modprobe rt2500 and it should just work(tm)
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16:46<hacker>i have a belkin, and i want the wep to work , in wifi
16:46<cahoot>do as amphi said
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16:48<EmleyMoor>All I'm getting is "no such file or directory" when I try to access the supposed mount points
16:49<amphi>hacker: once you've done that, iwconfig should show the interface; configure it with iwconfig and ifconfig
16:51<chealer>amphi: rt2500 is out-of-tree
16:52<EmleyMoor>This is almost persuading me away from autofs
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16:54<EmleyMoor>What does "lookup for scratch failed" in syslog?
16:54<EmleyMoor>... mean?
16:54<amphi>chealer: is it still?
16:54<amphi>chealer: module-assistant-able?
16:55<cahoot>seems so according a howto
16:56<EmleyMoor>Ahm sorted
16:56<EmleyMoor>Maps must NOT be executable
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16:58<chealer>amphi: yes
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16:59<Some_Person>Can I rebuild an existing .deb that I modified to be a valid package?
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17:02<schmichael>Some_Person: yes. do i know how? no. there was an article on about it at some point i *think*
17:02<schmichael>sorry for the half-answer :-/
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17:06<kingsley>Should /proc be backed up?
17:06<Sirvaldor>how do i unmount my xp harddrives? when i attempt to do so says i need root access how do i gain the access needed to unmount them?
17:07<cahoot>kingsley: it's all virtual
17:07<kingsley>cahoot: Can you elaborate?
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17:07<Sirvaldor>it would be even better if i could disable the desktop icons.. any help would be much appreicated
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17:08<Some_Person>open gconf-editor
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17:09<cahoot>kingsley: try: df /proc
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17:11<Sirvaldor>thanks so much Some_Person
17:11<Some_Person>no problem
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17:14<doogers> Do you know how modify the background of debian installer? in this image the background is grey, but I want set a image (png) like backgound.
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17:19<JasonS>doogers: seriously? who really cares :) you building your own fork byany chance
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17:24<Alex>BIG mistake: In tinkering with my files I accidently CHMOD the entire system to 777. Not a huge security risk as I use it for inhouse development only however. SSH stopped working on me, apparently at boot the init scripts check certain configuration files and if their permissions are 777 they are ignored. After rebooting, SSH doesn't initialize because the permissions are to laxx. So I...
17:24<Alex>...logged into my server as a user then tried to "su root" however this doesn't seem possible, even from the server console itself. How can I switch those permissions back to 770 or lower if the files are still set as root ownership and I can *only* login as user? Do I have to download/brun a recovery Linux disk, boot from that, change the permissions??? Is there a way to accomplish this locally?
17:24<Alex>Sorry for the short story :D
17:26<Some_Person>Can I edit an RPM in File Roller?
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17:28<qbit>Alex, try something like find . -type d | xargs -l chmod 755 ?
17:28<qbit>where . is /
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17:28<Alex>I'm not sure what that does?
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17:28<qbit>finds directories and sets the perms to 755 ( what dir's should be set to )
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17:31<Alex>Ok cool, I will try that immediately :)
17:31<ov3r_ev3r>algum brasileiro?
17:31<Alex>thank you
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17:33<chealer>!tell ov3r_ev3r about br
17:34<Alex>qbit: One small problem I see, before I try. I cannot change the permissions on those files because they are mostly *root* files and I cannot login as anything but *regular user*???
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17:35<qbit>no direct root login?
17:35<Alex>Does this mean I should/have to use a recovery CD?
17:35<Alex>Nope...forwhatever reason I cannot login as root :(
17:35<qbit>yeah.. rescue cd time
17:35<Alex>I'm guessing it has similar issues with allowing root login because the entire file system is chmod 777
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17:36<Alex>any suggestions for an easy recovery CD? Knoppix? I don't really want anything with GUI, etc...just CLI. Can I use the Debian install CD?
17:36<qbit>debian install cd
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17:36<Alex>Any special action to get into recovery mode or is there an obvious option?
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17:37<qbit>go through part of the menues ( maybe till disk partitioning ) and then hit alt+f2
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17:39<Zous>anyone here have any knowledge about where I can find woody packages for a powerpc?
17:39<dondelelcaro>Zous: and its mirrors has them
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17:39<Zous>namely the equivalent of the old woody-backports repo on
17:40<dondelelcaro>Zous: those may not exist any more.
17:40<Zous>I'm trying to get amavis-new, but archives only has amavis-postfix
17:40<Zous>that's what I was afraid
17:40<dondelelcaro>Zous: you realize, right, that woody almost certainly has security vulnerabilities?
17:40<dondelelcaro>Zous: and that you should immediately upgrade to sarge and then from sarge to etch?
17:41<Zous>it has to do with the powerpc itself, the netinst pushed woody on us
17:41<Zous>trust me, I'd be much happier with etch
17:41<dondelelcaro>so get a powerpc etch netinst
17:41<dondelelcaro>they exist, and they work
17:42<Zous>we just downloaded the generic one from the debian website
17:42<Zous>it's an old-wordld G3, if that makes a difference
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17:42<Zous>I had assumed the netinst cd on the site would default be etch
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17:43<dondelelcaro>Zous: the ones on the site are pretty much etch, but without knowing exactly which one you grabbed, it's hard to say.
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17:44<Zous> -> under etch powerpc netinst
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17:44<Zous>we'll try it again
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17:45<hachi>is there an easy way to set up you own debian repos?
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17:46<dondelelcaro>hachi: couple easy ways, but depends on what you want to do with it
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17:47<dondelelcaro>Zous: <-- this one is what you want
17:47<hachi>I wrote a system to build my own Releases and whatnot files, it was not fun
17:47<dondelelcaro>hachi: heh. you should have asked; you want apt-ftparchive or similar.
17:47<hachi>I did this years ago
17:47<dondelelcaro>(if it's a complex set of things, dak)
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17:48<hachi>I remember seeing when I wrote them that there were two options
17:48<hachi>I could run the girls
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17:48<hachi>or I could run these little scripts that didn't support 'pool' based storage of the pacakges
17:48<dondelelcaro>wlel, apt-ftparchive supports pools
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17:49<Zous>I'll try installing again, it shouldn't be too bad as we have nothing on it
17:49<dondelelcaro>but unless you've got a huge repository, pools aren't necessary
17:49<dondelelcaro>Zous: yeah, if it tries to install woody again, stop and let us know
17:49<Zous>but I'm fairly certain that's the image we used (as that's the only disc we have)
17:49<Zous>k, thanks, hopefully you won't see me again ;)
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17:50<hachi>huh, my nscd is missing
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17:50<hachi>that hasn't happened in a while
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17:54<hachi>there's no such package 'apt-ftparchive' available
17:54<hachi>part of apt-utils?
17:54<hachi>ahh it is
17:56[~]d0rt usually has the opposite problem
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17:56<d0rt>with insuring that nscd stays uninstalled :-]
17:56<hachi>I had serious problems with nscd crashing or deciding to cache bad answers
17:56<hachi>but that was with libnss-ldap
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17:56<hachi>libnss-ldapd works much better
17:57<dondelelcaro>hachi: huh. I haven't really had problems with it on etch
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17:58<hachi>I think etch was the last time it worked decently
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17:58<hachi>after that it started failing on 3 machines of mine in different locations
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17:59<hachi>so I pinned it to the etch version for a very long time
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18:00<hachi>I wonder if I can build yum repos on my debian machine decently
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18:00<diegox>I recently installed a program, but i can't make it work. Every time I try to run it i get the message "segment violation". I tryed many things but got nothing and ran out of ideas. Can anybody help me please?
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18:03<nethawk>Hey...anyone can help me with a lil' problem
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18:04<nethawk>tryin to install the flash plugin
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18:04<BBoyDanny>hi all :)
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18:04<nethawk>and it says the md5chksum doesn't match any idea?
18:04<nethawk>night BBoyDanny
18:04<nethawk>I mean hi
18:05<joy_division>Hello everyone :) Anyone who knows how to get SPDIF out from an Audigy2 SE on Debian?
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18:11<reflect>how do I get screenlets to work in etch?
18:11<reflect>i cant seem to find the package for it
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18:13<diegox>Anybody knows what is the meaning of the message "segment violation"?
18:14<chealer>diegox: segmentation fault
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18:14<diegox>chealer: what is a segmentation fault?
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18:15<chealer>diegox: did you check Wikipedia?
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18:20<diegox>chealer: Sorry, in fact I did, but in spanish. I didn't think at the moment looking for it in english. It's a problem with memory then, the program tryes to acces memory in a way that is forbiden for it.... or something like that.
18:20<chealer>diegox: yes
18:21<nethawk>installed manually
18:21<nethawk>works :)
18:21<diegox>Is there any way to solve it?
18:22<diegox>chealer: do you know where should I start looking?
18:22<flub>hmm, d-i is incredibly slow on my system, system is under high load, tried lenny-amd64, lenny-i386, sarge-amd64 all the same. but grml 1.0 is fine, grml-amd64 0.1 is very slow again. hints anyone?
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18:23<chealer>diegox: try determining whether it's a bug, and if it is, look for a workaround or a way to fix it.
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18:27<diegox>chealer: I have VERY limited knowledge. How can I determine if it is a bug?
18:27<chealer>diegox: how long does it take between you start of the program and the segmentation fault?
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18:28<chealer>flub: did you try etch?
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18:29<diegox>chealer: less than a sec
18:30<chealer>diegox: then it's almost certainly a bug
18:30<flub>chealer: sorry, when i said sarege-amd64 i meant etch-amd64...
18:31<flub>i'm pretty certain the sarge kernel won't cope with the chipset
18:31<flub>it's an intel G965 chipset for what it's worth
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18:32<diegox>chealer: It means that is an error in the program itself? But it works perfectly in another machine.
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18:33<chealer>diegox: most likely, or in a library which the program uses.
18:33<chealer>flub: which URL(s) did you get the lenny images from?
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18:35<diegox>chealer: is there any way to track down wich library?
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18:36<chealer>flub: do the installed system work normally?
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18:36<chealer>diegox: if you know how to debug the program, yes.
18:37<flub>chealer: can't say. there is just no way i'm going to wait a few hours for mkfs to finish... let alone a debootstrap
18:37<diegox>chealer: I don't, so I guess there's no way...
18:37<flub>i'm trying to use grml to debootstrap lenny now, but it seems i'll have to try with i386 as the grml amd64 has the same slowness problem
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18:39<chealer>flub: are there only some steps which are slow?
18:39<chealer>diegox: you could, of course, report a bug and hope that someone will investigate it.
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18:40<pipegeek_>What's the name of that package that installs a cookie-cutter debian base system?
18:40<pipegeek_>answered my own question, I think
18:40<pipegeek_>debootstrap kicks ass :^)
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18:41<flub>chealer: nope, everything. behaves like the CPU is running at 100% all the time (loadavg of around 7 on a dual core - not realistic)
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18:42<chealer>flub: perhaps you can try the Debian stock kernels on grml
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18:43<flub>chealer: are they just boot options on grml?
18:43<diegox>chealer: anyway, in yet another machine I get the message "no such file or direcory" every time i run an executable, not only on this program, but in another too. But the file IS there.
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18:44<chealer>flub: no. I don't know grml, but I suppose you could install a Debian Linux image .deb and try booting grml with the Debian kernel.
18:45<diegox>chealer: these programs have many executables, but none work, and everyone returns the same error message.
18:46<gufino2>a question, if someone has spare time: I'm running an Etch 4.0r1 amd64, can I force apt-get to install the i386 version of iceweasel package?
18:46<diegox>chealer: I use "ls" and the files are there, I can even edit them.
18:46<gufino2>'coz there's no x86_64 flash plugin, only i386 versione
18:46<flub>chealer: i'm going to debootstrap lenny i386 using grml 1.0 (i386), see if i can get that to boot fine
18:46<chealer>gufino2: did you ask #debian-amd64 ?
18:47<flub>would be nicer to have amd64 though, but that would be something
18:47<gufino2>nope, sorry:) Didn't know there was a specific amd64 chan :)
18:47<gufino2>I'll ask there, thanks :D
18:47<flub>anyway, bedtime for me. thanks for trying to help chealer
18:47<chealer>flub: good night
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19:04<hachi>is there a debian command for extracting the current version from debian/changelog?
19:04<hachi>dch doesn't seem to do this
19:05<Gabiru>algum brasileiro na sala?
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19:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:08<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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20:02<Th|sD|cK>hey guys i'm installing .20 to use NTFS-3G, is good?
20:04<chealer>Th|sD|cK: what?
20:05<Th|sD|cK>i'm upgradeong my kernel to .20 to use NTFS-3G, what about?
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20:12<Th|sD|cK>no reasons?
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20:13<hachi>is there any decent way to get the current version out of the debian chagefile?
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20:20<Th|sD|cK>SEE YOU
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20:21<shadow33>can someone help me with a problem to compile a kernel. i am using debian 4.0 and i have tried to compile a kernel i downloaded it from an only made make menuconfig and saved it to get a ,config, than make clean - make bzImage - make modules - make modules_install. Copied kernel to /boot and also and changes menu.lst from grub. kernel is loading and in the middle a get error with could not open dire
20:21<shadow33>ctory /lib/modules//
20:21<dondelelcaro>shadow33: you haven't installed the modules.
20:21<dondelelcaro>shadow33: you really should just use make-kpkg to actually build the kernels
20:21<dondelelcaro>!tell shadow33 -about kp
20:21<dondelelcaro>!tell shadow33 -about kernel mantra
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20:22<shadow33>i have heard to use the special package for debian, but is it not possible to do the classic way ?
20:22<dondelelcaro>it's possible, but then you have to do it properly
20:22<dondelelcaro>you haven't actually installed the modules, which you kind of need.
20:22<PinkFlamingo>hi, I'm just trying to get started with the whole Linux experience. I am trying to install Debian 4.0 AMD64, but I get an error message that says 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
20:23<PinkFlamingo>does anyone have any suggestions
20:23<dondelelcaro>PinkFlamingo: you could try noapic or similar and see if that works, or if it's a new machine, you could try the testing installer to see if it's a problem with the 2.6.18 kernel
20:23<shadow33>dondelelcaro, is it not enough to make make modules_install ?
20:24<PinkFlamingo>what do you mean noapic?
20:24<PinkFlamingo>like chaning the bios
20:24<PinkFlamingo>or typing something in?
20:24<dondelelcaro>PinkFlamingo: no, I mean as an option to the installer
20:24<dondelelcaro>PinkFlamingo: hit F2 at the initial boot screen (where you probably just hit enter) and check out the help, and play with those boot options until it boots
20:25<PinkFlamingo>how do you do that? (Sorry, I'm just starting to learn all this stuff)
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20:25<dondelelcaro>PinkFlamingo: when you stick the install cd in, the very first thing that comes up is where you'd enter noapic or some other options. Hit F2 or F3 there and check out the documentation
20:26<PinkFlamingo>ok, thank you very much! I will try that
20:26<PinkFlamingo>Thank you
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20:27<Alex>Hey again. I accidently CHMOD'ed all files in my system and some services stopped working, like SSH, etc. I manually tracked down the files that threw errors and chmod'ed them back to original glory. Now it appears other services are having issues (mainly logging in as root) and I assume I will continue to have issues in the future so long as 99% of files have 777 as permissions. I figure...
20:27<Alex>...the only way to rectify the situation is to re-install Debian. If I do this, will my data files be over written, such as MySQL databases, etc? Should I just back and purge everything and repeat install?
20:27<dpkg>methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install
20:27<dondelelcaro>Alex: use the first option
20:28<Alex>First option? as in just re-install?
20:28<shadow33>dondelelcaro, the thing is that i prepare for lpic 2 exam and want to get some practise. so i want to compile the kernel on the classic way. is it not enough to do make modules_install to install the modules? the directory /lib/modules/kernelversion ist there
20:28<Alex>What about additional packages, will I have to apt-get install sshd again as well as others?
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20:29<dondelelcaro>Alex: the first recipe of the recipies that dpkg gave you
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20:35<Alex>I figured I would use the install CD but it seems to *want* to force me into re-partitioning and formatting. So how would I use dpkg to update all files on file system?
20:35<Alex>So I have to list all extra packages and update them as well?
20:35<Alex>Sorry - newbie here :)
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20:39<snolr>how to hibranate computer on debian
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21:19<Jake>Hello, is anyone on?
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21:20<Jake>I was just wondering if anyone could help me answer a question relating to debian.
21:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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21:22<Jake>When I'm on the download page to download debian, there is a whole list of things I can choose from. | I picked the Full DVD set | After I narrowed that down, there are a ton of different choices, like "alpha" "amd64" "arm"
21:22<Jake>are those different mirrors? or differnt versions of debian?
21:23<bourdon>I have troubles concerning SoundBlasterAWE64 isaPnP, itś working with ALSA, but i always need to run the ALSA - How can I set it at autorun-like at debian?
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21:25<gsimmons_>Jake: Those are installation images for various architectures. I'd imagine you would want either the "i386" or "amd64", depending on the system you will be installing to.
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21:25<bourdon>yes it's i386... and Kde running too
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21:26<antinull>hello again
21:26<bourdon>wicht pakage, or what i need to run
21:26<antinull>I just have a quick question
21:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:27<antinull>How would i use a zip drive w/ debian (they are ide zips)
21:27<Jake>Where would I go to get information on the different architectures that are offered. I'm running Mac OS X 1.5 on a Mac Pro at the moment.
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21:28<gsimmons_>Jake: See <>.
21:29<gsimmons_>antinull: They should appear in your system as regular IDE block devices (eg. /dev/hdd). The 'jazip' package may be of interest to you, but use of this is optional.
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21:30<antinull>ok thanks
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21:31<gsimmons_>bourdon: No private messages, please.
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21:31<Ely>Hello everyone
21:32<antinull>my stipid heatsink fan is being obnoxious
21:32<antinull>so i took it off and put a smaller quiet fan on the heatsink lol
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21:33<Jake>So just to clear up, there are different ports which are different architectures of linux. Each port is compatible with certain hardware? i386 is compatible with my computer
21:34<antinull>(64 bit processors use diff distors then 32 bit etc....)
21:34<Jake>Under the i386 install, there is also a "debian-update-4.0r1-i386-DVD-1.iso " . Thats only if I had debian and was updating it, right?
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21:35<bourdon>I'm tring to set my awe device at i386 running debian, but i need to always run ALSAconfig at startup, how can i set a config file to keep those device information?
21:35<antinull>i installed debian with just CD 1
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21:37<gsimmons_>Jake: The "amd64" port would also be compatible with your system. You can also save on unnecessary downloading by acquiring a "NETINST" image, which will install a base system from the CD and any other packages (that you select) from package repositories on the Internet.
21:40<Jake>I really thought I knew a lot about computers, but now I realize that I'm a complete idiot. Where did you guys learn all this? In computer science classes, or just reading on the internet?
21:40<antinull>so how is everyone doing?
21:40<antinull>first hand experence the best way ;)
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21:41<Jake>I'm good. you?
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21:41<antinull>im allright, still cramming php and mysql into my brain
21:42<Jake>I can't seem to remember any of that stuff
21:42<antinull>again learn it as you use it and you will remember
21:43<Jake>what does this mean : Hi I have an AMD Athlon 2800 runs at approx 2.0 ghz
21:43<antinull>who said that?
21:43<antinull>amd atholon 2800 is the model of chip
21:43<antinull>and the 2.0ghz is the speed the chip runs at
21:43<Jake>I was just reading a forum about how to tell if your processor is 32-bit or 64-bit
21:44<antinull>athlon is 32 bit
21:44<antinull>amd 64 is 64 bit....
21:44<Jake>someones answer was just : cat /proc/cpuinfo
21:45<Jake>whats that?
21:45<antinull>i have 0 idea
21:45<Jake>haha ok
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21:45<antinull>hello ^_^
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21:48<Jake>how can I tell if my processor is 32-bit or 64-bit?
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21:53<clouden>do you know what kind of processor you have Jake?
21:53<Jake>Dual-Core Intel Xeon
21:54<gsimmons_>Jake: Your Mac Pro contains an Intel Xeon ("Woodcrest" core microarchitecture) processor. Anything since Woodcrest is 64-bit.
21:54<clouden>its 64
21:54<clouden>or are you looking for a way for your system to tell you its 64?
21:54<Jake>I was looking for a way for my system to tell me
21:54<Jake>But, any answer is good
21:54<Jake>I'm just getting into this whole terminal thing
21:55<Jake>I like moving around in it
21:55<clouden>in terminal type egrep "name|MHz" /proc/cpuinfo
21:55<clouden>well wait
21:55<clouden>that won't say if its 64
21:56<clouden>but it will say what it is
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21:57<Jake>this is in debian, right?
21:57<Solver>sure is
21:57<bourdon>ALSA is set at my i386, but awe64 isaPnP still not working, what can i fix it? where can i find info about it?
21:57<antinull>well im off to bed
21:57<Jake>See ya later
21:57<antinull>talk to yu all later
21:57<bourdon>awe64 means sound blaster awe64*
21:57<antinull>or mabey in 10 min if i get my laptop working lol
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21:59<bourdon>there is any package instalator wicht help me to install all my perifericals?
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22:00<bourdon>cuz i have scanner, printer, sound blasterawe64 which is not working
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22:02<bourdon>=,( no one can help me out!!!! ='(
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22:03<dpalacio>have you tried alsaconf?
22:04<bourdon>it need to run always i start the OS
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22:05<[name_]>ïîìîãèòå ñ iptables
22:05<[name_]>êòî ìîæåò â ïðèâàò ïëèç
22:05<bourdon>alsaconf did my device workout, but i dont know wat i did, cuz it's no longer work
22:05<Solver>iptables rock
22:06<bourdon>when it's fine, the alsaconf had to run always i start my PC
22:06<Solver>intelligent use of chains can make a very efficient firewall :)
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22:07<Jake>does anyone know anything about the alledged trojen for mac?
22:08<Jake>and could that possibly spread into linux
22:08<Jake>or is linux the most secure os
22:08<dpalacio>bourdon: rerun it. it should fix the startup script
22:08<bourdon>where startup is located?
22:09<bourdon>the autorun or some like that...
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22:09<dpalacio>alsaconf, will re-create it for you
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22:10<bourdon>but next time i start my OS, it will loose the conf, and i'll nee to run it again
22:11<Solver>Jake: defining the most secure OS is difficult. It is not a general purpose OS. Defining the most secure general purpose OS is pretty difficult too - but we can be sure it is not MS-Windows :)
22:11<Jake>ok sweet
22:12<Solver>I'll look into this trojan but more than likely it won't spread: OSX and Linux are very different on many levels
22:12<Jake>In relation to installing debian. I'm running OS X right now and I want to be about to run both debian and OSX. Would I do this through Boot Camp?
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22:12<antinullaptop>lol hello
22:13<antinullaptop>i made it work
22:13<clouden>you could, i would try parallels
22:13<Jake>I also have a program called parallels.
22:13<Jake>took the words out of my mouth
22:13<clouden>a trojan doesnt really spread
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22:13<clouden>by definition it is a program you are trick into running
22:14<Solver>good point
22:14[~]Solver checks full disclosure
22:14<clouden>and i doubt that trojan if it is able to be executed by linux would have any affect on the system as it was designed around osx
22:14<Jake>So, there could be a trojen for linux. But linux uses generally aren't stupid enough to execute the program?
22:15<antinullaptop>thats a way to put it ;)
22:15<clouden>i would say that statement is mostly true
22:15<clouden>but not always true
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22:15<Solver>Jake: in principal someone executing a trojan under their own uid would not impact other usres on the system
22:15<antinullaptop>arnt there very few viruses for linux?
22:16<Solver>Jake: so they may be tricked into deleting their own files but other users would remain protected
22:16<Solver>Jake: the danger comes if the code can execute with elevated privs
22:16<clouden>and that whatever queries it makes are able to be completed
22:16<bourdon>well, thanks for tha help, debian users
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22:17<Jake>Thanks for all the information. I have to go for an hour or so.
22:17<Solver>Jake: this is why we are so anal about people not doing regular work as root :)
22:17<Jake>take care
22:17<Solver>have fun
22:17<clouden>yes, don't do reqular stuff as root
22:17<shivraj>I have deb in my sources.list file
22:17<shivraj>its not working
22:17<shivraj>is the site down ?
22:17<Solver>shivraj: did you do an aptitude or apt-get update?
22:18<shivraj>anyone know what the syntax for another site is ?
22:18<shivraj>yes I am doing that
22:18<clouden>are you trying to install without doing an apt-get update first
22:18<shivraj>its stuck at 99%
22:18<Solver>shivraj: which country are you in?
22:18<shivraj>send me a new source please
22:18<clouden>it needs to complete, check to make sure you didn't put a extra space in the source list somewhere
22:19<Solver>here is a list of mirrors:
22:20<Solver>plenty in the US - you may even find one nice and close
22:20<shivraj>Solver : nice nick ,,.... come and solve all of my problems
22:20<shivraj>it finished updating
22:20<Solver>the nick actually has nothing to do with solving ;)
22:20<Solver>even if that is what I do for a job and online ;)
22:20<shivraj>oh, so you think
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22:21<Solver>a bit like the way lilo's nick didn't have anything to do with a bootloader or a cat :)
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22:22<shivraj>how do I remove all of those dependencies that are not being used
22:23<shivraj>like when you remove a package it doesnt remove the full amt that it installed, I am cheap what can I saw
22:23<dondelelcaro>shivraj: just use aptitude always, and that happens automatically
22:23<Solver>deborphan will show you packages that are not dependend on
22:23<Solver>i'd just use aptitude to remove them :)
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22:24<shivraj>dondelelcaro : I dont think it removes the dependecies, I always use apt-get
22:24<Solver>watch out removing packages that appear to be free of dependencies - some of them may be useful in their own right :)
22:24<shivraj>I think you have to use DPKG
22:24<Solver>aptitude will do it fine
22:24<dondelelcaro>shivraj: It indeed removes the dependencies. I wouldn't have said aptitude otherwise.
22:24<shivraj>I doubt it
22:25<Solver>shivraj: ok don't believe us :)
22:25[~]gravity blinks
22:26<sabaccatus>does anyone know where I can get some help with my wireless NIC drivers?
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22:27<antinullaptop>wireless is a pita w/ linux sadly
22:27<shivraj>hmmm .... I still dont believe you
22:27<antinullaptop>which is why im on xp on my p2 laptop lol
22:27<dondelelcaro>it's actually pretty trivial, assuming you purchase wireless cards which work
22:27<Solver>antinullaptop: it depends on the card. some chipsets work perfectly first go
22:27<shivraj>are there any new / nicer window managers ?
22:27<antinullaptop>lol all 3 pcicimia card i have refuse to connect
22:28<dondelelcaro>shivraj: than what?
22:28<antinullaptop>i wish i had an ethernet card still
22:28<dondelelcaro>gnome isn't a window manager
22:28[~]Solver uses fvwm2
22:28<Solver>with almost the same look and feel as he did in 1994
22:28<gravity>compiz is in the archive, which is nicer when it works
22:28<Solver>what can I say, I like it
22:28[~]dondelelcaro is a fan of particleman ne ion3
22:28<antinullaptop>does anyone here know much about web design?
22:28<sabaccatus>I did something to my ipw2200 drivers and i can't get them to work anymore
22:29<Solver>sabaccatus: restore from backups!
22:29<Solver>oh I was only being half serious
22:29<dondelelcaro>yeay for primate cloning
22:29<Solver>sabaccatus: what do you think you did to it?
22:29<gsimmons_>!tell sabaccatus -about ipw2200 troubleshooting
22:29<sabaccatus>unless my system made an autobackup which I didn' t know of, that's not an option
22:29<Solver>eg, config change, kernel update, package update, etc?
22:29<dondelelcaro>gravity: [if someone hadn't beaten you with it yet]
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22:30<Solver>sabaccatus: usb HDDS are so cheap these days
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22:30<Solver>I backup all of our home data on 5 x 500GB drives
22:30<Solver>rotated offsite periodically
22:30<Solver>I get plenty of full and incremental backups on each drive
22:30<gravity>dondelelcaro: Yeah, I heard about it, but haven't looked at the article yet
22:32<Solver>well I'll be a monkeys' uncle
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22:34<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah, it's pretty good
22:34<dondelelcaro>gravity: well, the figures anyway; didn't bother to read the text.
22:34<gravity>dondelelcaro: Cool, I'll definitely read it then
22:34[~]dondelelcaro has read too many SCNT papers to bother
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23:00<shivraj_>dont know about fvwm but wmaker is nice
23:01<shivraj_>how do I remove gnome ?
23:01<shivraj_>I did remove gnome but it says its not installed
23:01<shivraj_>how do I see installed packages ?
23:01<gsimmons_>!remove gnome
23:02<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
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23:07<shivraj_>my amd 3800+ actually is usable now ..... much better
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23:08<shivraj_>I think libgnome32 and libgnome2-common should remove gnome forever ... gnome is worse than WINDOWS
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23:08<shivraj_>thats the only part of linux thats not better than windows
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23:12<dondelelcaro>so don't use gnome
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23:14<shivraj_>how do I change the font size in xterm
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23:14<mrxvt>is there a way I can instruct apt-get to not start the service after installing (apache for example)
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23:21<faheem__>mrxvt: Not that I know of, but you can easily stop it. /etc/init.d/apache stop.
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23:25<mrxvt>faheem__: it's being installed in a chroot and conflicting with the host system's processes...I know I can stop them after they've been started. I don't want them to start in the first place.
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23:39<shivraj_>anyone know how I can increase the size of xterm font ???????
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23:54<shivraj__>whats a good / cheap laptop ??
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