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01:40<dpkg>it has been said that ata is (AT Attachment) More commonly known as IDE, the "AT" refers to the IBM-AT computer where this interface was first used.
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01:41<twb>I did a fresh Etch install within VMWare, and then dist-upgraded. The 2.6.18 kernel boots but the 2.6.22 one borks while the ramdisk is running because it can't find any disks
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01:42<twb>I told VMware to make it pretend to be SCSI (first bus, first disk).
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01:42<twb>What can I do to isolate the fault?
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01:47<Vanye>twb: Are you trying to install a newer kernal from CD?
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01:48<twb>Vanye: no, from the network
01:48<twb>Vanye: the kernel is already installed.
01:48<twb>I presume the appropriate kernel module is not being inserted by the ramdisk.
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01:55[~]Vanye gives up.
01:56<gsimmons_>twb: Are you using VMware Workstation? If yes, what version?
01:56<Vanye>Don't happen to have running Debian at the moment.
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02:06<twb>gsimmons_: server.
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02:09<gsimmons_>twb: Dang. There's a known emulation issue with VMWare Workstation versions < 6 (BTS #425851), anyway. See if your root device even exists in 2.6.22.
02:09<dpkg>methinks initramfsdebug is
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02:14<twb>gsimmons_: thanks; it doesn't
02:14<twb>At least /proc/partitions doesn't know about it
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02:22<tanlaan>Hey everyone
02:23<tanlaan>I was wondering if anyone knew of any way to make kde accessible to a
02:23<tanlaan>"one click" mouse my apple mouse for my imac
02:31<Gryfelhase>I know a way
02:31<Gryfelhase>Buy a 3-button mouse for your imac
02:32<tanlaan>Heh, right now I'm using a laptop wireless usb mouse
02:32<tanlaan>but I would like to use my "hockey puck" mouse
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02:34<dondelelcaro>tanlaan: you can reassign f keys to the different mouse buttons
02:35<tanlaan>would you happen to know where I should look? maybe somewhere in KDE Control Center?
02:36<dondelelcaro>nothing to do with kde, really. There's a kernel setting for it, or you could use X to do the emulation.
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02:52<avtobiff>what does the "CorePointer" and "AlwaysCore" entries in xorg.conf really mean?
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03:09<joseph>Why doesn't my post at appear when I Upload it?
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03:11<gsimmons_>joseph: You'll need to click 'Send' after you upload a file into the textbox.
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03:32<joseph>I ran the installer and got this error, does anyone know how to fix it?
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03:34<tzafrir>my desktop system keeps hanging
03:35<tzafrir>system is Etch, with a intel display adapter of some sort
03:35<tzafrir>also with XFS, which is why I had to use lilo instead of grub
03:36<tzafrir>I tried upgrading kernel to latest from etch backports. Things seem to have only gotten worse
03:36<tzafrir>It now seems to hang once a day
03:36<chealer_>joseph: yes. one way is to use the same gcc major version as the one used to compile your kernel.
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03:38<tzafrir>I rebuilt vanilla with config from backports 2.6.22-3-686
03:38<tzafrir>duh, just realised I left out the initrd line
03:40<tzafrir>anyway, the problem still stands. Just I hopefully have a better way to debug it....
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03:42<bzed>joseph: the best way is not to use the nvidia installer, though. this thing is just completely buggy. use the debian packages instead
03:42<bzed>!tell joseph about nvidia one-liner
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03:44<joseph>bzed: How do I find out if the debian package uses the latest driver as
03:44<bzed>joseph: the package from unstable uses it
03:45<bzed>joseph: but there's rarely a reason to use the very latest driver
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03:52<joseph>bzed: I think nvidia made some substantial changes regarding 64-bit in the latest driver
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04:00<joseph>chealer_: How do I use the same gcc major version as the one used to compile my kernel? (I didn't compile my kernel)
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04:01<tzafrir>indeed issue was missing initrd line in lilo.conf entry. Long time since I used lilo
04:01<chealer>joseph: for example, make sure the only gcc major version you have installed is the one used to compile your kernel, then run the installer.
04:01<tzafrir>Are there still issues with grub and xfs/jfs?
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04:06<joseph>chealer: That makes sense, if only I knew which version that was.
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04:17<indraveni>hi all
04:18<indraveni>i am a BOSS Distribution team member, it is also based on the debian operating system
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04:18<indraveni>I have the same of debian repo with some modifications in our repo
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04:19<indraveni>but when i am checking in my update manager, its showing some packages to be update when connected to my repo, and when I am checking the installed packages verision
04:19<indraveni>then its the same version that is existing in the repository
04:19<indraveni>then why its showing as upgraded
04:20<indraveni>tobe upgraded packages?
04:20<indraveni>the debian packages upgradation depends on the version, right ?
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04:25<tzafrir>can you give an example of a specific package? also: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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04:29<indraveni>tzafrir, have u seen my ?
04:29<indraveni>and in my /etc/apt/sources.list, i have
04:29<indraveni>deb anant main
04:30<joseph>What does this part of the nvidia one-liner do? sed 's,.*-,,g'`
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04:31<streuner_>dpkg, test
04:31<dpkg>Test Failed.
04:31<streuner_>!factinfo nvidia one-liner
04:31<dpkg>nvidia one-liner -- last modified at Fri May 4 12:41:15 2007 by bzed!; it has been requested 691 times, last by gsimmons_, 1m 27s ago.
04:32<streuner_>ask bzed
04:33<joseph>bzed: What does this part of the nvidia one-liner do? sed 's,.*-,,g'`
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04:33<gsimmons_>joseph: It removes all but the processor type from 'uname -r'.
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04:35<chealer>!tell joseph about ngd
04:36<chealer>joseph: if you do it the Debian way, use the guide. one-liners won't work anyway.
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04:39<indraveni>any one there who can help me
04:40<indraveni>even my system and repo is having same version of packge, its showing to be upgraded in the update manage
04:40<tzafrir>indraveni, can you give a name of a specific package?
04:40<chealer>indraveni: just ask your question, but this is a Debian support channel; other distributions aren't supported.
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04:41<indraveni>tzafrir, ttf-dejavu
04:42<tzafrir>hmm.... I thought that this was vs. standard DEbian repo
04:42<tzafrir>to get apt's specific optinion of the package, try:
04:43<tzafrir>apt-cache policy ttf-dejavu
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04:43<joseph>Do I need contrib and non-free in the security lines of my sources.list?
04:44<chealer>joseph: not really, but it's best
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04:45<joseph>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
04:45<arnstein>hello... can help me get direct rendering working on a 946 intel card?
04:46<chealer>arnstein: not if you don't explain how you can be helped.
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04:47<arnstein>hmm... well.. the default install doesn't do a good job at it...
04:47<miksuh>joseph: it's in trhe contrib repository
04:47<arnstein>chealer: where all should I look for setting it up...
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04:47<joseph>miksuh: oh i have to apt-get update I forgot *doh*
04:48<indraveni>tzafrir, what should i check in that o/p
04:48<indraveni>tzafrir, the o/p is liekt this
04:48<indraveni> Installed: 2.17-1
04:48<indraveni> Candidate: 2.17-1
04:48<indraveni> Version table:
04:48<indraveni> *** 2.17-1 0
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04:49<indraveni>tzafrir, oops. sorry
04:50<indraveni>tzafrir, what shd i check there
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04:51<lubos>i'm missinf mkinitrd command... which package contains this command?
04:51<gsimmons_>!tell lubos -about search
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04:55<joseph>module-assistant, error message ├─────────────────┐
04:55<joseph> │ │
04:55<joseph> │ Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑
04:55<joseph> │ ▮
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04:56<joseph>Anyone know how to fix this problem?
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04:57<chealer>joseph: are you following the guide?
04:57<joseph>yes exactly (AFAIK)
04:58<joseph>chealer: i got that error at the "m-a auto-install nvidia" step.
04:58<joseph>all the previous steps seemed to work just fine
04:58<chealer>joseph: yes. did you read the Current issues section?
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04:59<joseph>I should have just installed from
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05:01<joseph>How do I setup a "quick testing/sid mix" as indicated in the guide?
05:01<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
05:01<lupine>liek that is the best way IMO
05:01<chealer>joseph: did you click the link?
05:01<joseph>yes but I failed to understand the content
05:02<chealer>joseph: oh. you're damn right, I broke it.
05:02<joseph>I appreciate your help though
05:04<chealer>joseph: I fixed it. thanks
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05:08<joseph>chealer: It says "duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid". Does it matter the order of which is first?
05:09<chealer>joseph: no
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05:13<joseph>chealer: I did the steps for testing/unstable mix. Now do I just continue where I left off with "m-a auto-install nvidia" ?
05:13<chealer>joseph: yes
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05:16<joseph>The guide says nothing about how to "Configure X to use the nvidia driver" under Lenny/Testing
05:17<chealer>joseph: step 3?
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05:19<chealer>joseph: did you choose which way you want?
05:20<joseph>chealer: well I chose "manual" since all the other ways were for Sarge or Etch
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05:21<chealer>joseph: the debconf way is not just for sarge and etch
05:21<joseph>I am confused though, since I do not have a "modules" section in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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05:23<mypapit>sux sux b00m
05:24<joseph>chealer: Is it a problem that my xorg.conf has no "modules" section?
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05:24<chealer>joseph: are you sure you need to do it the manual way?
05:24<novakyu>has anyone here torrented debian-40r1-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso before?
05:25<joseph>chealer: I have already edited my X config file in the past (changed my HorizSync and VertRefresh) so according to the Guide I should not use the debconf way.
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05:26<chealer>joseph: OK. it's not a problem, you can ignore the part about modules.
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05:26<joseph>chealer: Do I need to Force the kernel module to load at boot
05:26<chealer>joseph: no
05:26<zabuza>hi leutz
05:27<zabuza>hab da ein paar sound probleme
05:27<joseph>chealer: Ok I will restart gdm I hope this works thanks for the assistance
05:27<chealer>!tell zabuza about de
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05:30<novakyu>so, i'm having problem torrenting debian-40r1-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso to 100%, and i was wondering if it's possible there's a problem either in the .torrent file or the image itself.
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05:30<triplc>hi all :-)
05:30<novakyu>i even downloaded the .iso from, re-downloaded the .torrent from debian, and one piece keeps failing hash check.
05:31<triplc>Do we have a "easy" way to recover a file in JFS filesystem? I save a working file in /tmp (maybe, i will not do that again!!) and after off and on, that file is gone. How to "recover" it?
05:33<gsimmons_>novakyu: I'll start a download of that image here, to see if I can reproduce your issue.
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05:36<joseph>chealer: failed to get into X (I'm on the console in irssi)
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05:36<joseph>chealer: (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
05:36<joseph>(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
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05:37<joseph>(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
05:37<joseph>(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
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05:38<padski>triplc: you can't expect files saved in tmp to persist accross reboots
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05:38<chealer>joseph: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia*; output?
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05:41<triplc>padski,... yeah... so, no hope
05:41<joseph>chealer: many lines of do I copy and paste it?
05:41<padski>triplc: didn't say that, but I thought you should be aware of that
05:42<novakyu>i've been able to recover files from ext3 partition with "dd".
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05:43<chealer>joseph: I suggest you go back to X while trying to fix this problem.
05:44<joseph>roger that
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05:45<novakyu>triplc: have you seen this:
05:45<joseph>chealer: sorry, please say that command again
05:45<chealer>joseph: $ dpkg -l nvidia*
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05:46<novakyu>but formatting is different from unlinking a file, maybe.
05:47<chealer>joseph: that's truncated. you can use $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia*
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05:49<chealer>joseph: which Linux image do you use?
05:50<joseph>I forgot the ia32 package?
05:50<chealer>joseph: a stock kernel?
05:50<joseph>chealer: yes. stock kernel.
05:50<chealer>joseph: do you use Debian i386 or amd64?
05:50<joseph>Linux debian 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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05:52<chealer>joseph: in case it was intended to, that doesn't answer my question.
05:53<joseph>chealer: I guess I don't understand the question. Do you mean the ISO image? I installed from one of the daily-built net-install amd64 architecture ISO images.
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05:53<chealer>joseph: yes. OK. I don't know if something special is needed for amd64. not AFAIK.
05:54<joseph>!nvidia one-liner
05:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
05:54<chealer>joseph: so # modprobe nvidia; fails?
05:54<chealer>joseph: aha
05:54<joseph>nvidia-glx-ia32 ?
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05:55<joseph>chealer: When I type "modprobe nvidia" at the console, there is no reply.
05:56<padski>joseph: modprobe doesn't say a lot
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05:57<joseph>chealer;padski: How would I know if modprobe fails?
05:58<chealer>joseph: the description is useless, but I suppose it can't hurt to install nvidia-glx-ia32
05:58<chealer>joseph: modprobe should whine. is nvidia listed by lsmod?
05:58<novakyu>joseph: sometimes "dmesg" has some useful information.
05:58<joseph>chealer: yes, nvidia is listed by lsmod.
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06:00<joseph>dmesg says: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
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06:00<joseph>and: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 100.14.19 Wed Sep 12 14:08:38 PDT 2007
06:00<chealer>joseph: try again with nvidia-glx-ia32. if it works with that, please tell me.
06:00<joseph>ok will try
06:00<novakyu>well, i got nothing, then. that sounds normal.
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06:03<padski>novakyu: it is normal. it returns 0. there are options for verbose ouput.
06:03<tarelerulz>Is it hard to dual boot with vista and Debian?
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06:04<novakyu>padski: mm-hmm. but sometimes, there are hardware problems that doesn't show up in modprobe output.
06:04<novakyu>i had (rather, have) a usb wireless adapter ... that doesn't seem to work with powerpc.
06:04<novakyu>modprobe works fine, but dmesg shows something is wrong, say, when i plug it in.
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06:07<padski>novakyu: sure. sometimes you have to look at the big picture.
06:07<novakyu>what do you mean?
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06:08<joseph>chealer: Still fails to load X
06:08<chealer>joseph: hum. please provide the full log.
06:08<padski>novakyu: reality is not what you see from one viewpoint. you check your sums.
06:09<novakyu>er, check my sums?
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06:09<novakyu>of the iso image i got from
06:09<novakyu>that's a good idea.
06:10<padski>novakyu: when you do sums, you check them ?
06:10<gsimmons_>novakyu: I was able to download the Debian 4.0r1 PPC XFCE CD image without issue (using rTorrent 0.6.4 on PPC), using the torrent file from <>.
06:11<novakyu>hmm. o.k. ... the only difference in my case is ... i'm downloading on an x86 machine.
06:12<novakyu>i guess i should double check my files.
06:12<novakyu>thanks for checking.
06:12<padski>novakyu: in this instance, it sounds like modprobe did its bit, and the error occurs after the module has loaded ?
06:12<novakyu>padski: sometimes.
06:12<novakyu>right. it's a hardware problem ...
06:12<novakyu>or, more like an alpha driver problem.
06:12<novakyu>it has to do with rt73 not supporting big endian machines. :)
06:12<novakyu>the rt73 driver.
06:13<joseph>chealer: oops I think that was the wrong one sorry.
06:13<chealer>joseph: yeah
06:13<joseph>1 sec
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06:13<padski>novakyu: so you can't expect to get the answer to big questions (like "does it work?") from little programs like modprobe. they just do their job. you have to look at the bigger picture.
06:14<novakyu>er, like dmesg?
06:14<joseph>chealer: Here it is
06:14<novakyu>as a part of ... checking for error messages, i mean.
06:15<padski>novakyu: as it goes, I generally do. if I'm loading the modules for new hardware for the first time, yes. but if it works, then it works. you don't need to keep looking ;-)
06:15<novakyu>nor do i.
06:15<chealer>joseph: wait. nvidia-glx* isn't installed. make sure that step 2 is done.
06:15<novakyu>i look at dmesg when things don't work.
06:15<padski>novakyu: although I like stuff like logcheck
06:16<novakyu>but i guess what i'm still missing is ... where am i missing the "big picture"?
06:16<novakyu>actually, i'm not even sure what "big picture" you are speaking of is.
06:16<padski>novakyu: apologies, it is very hand-wavy :-)
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06:17<padski>novakyu: on the uk telly we have/had a comedy show "look around you". worth a look if you get a chance :-)
06:17<joseph>chealer: nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2: is to be installed
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06:18<novakyu>i'll check. thx for the hint. :)
06:18<chealer>joseph: you need to upgrade X to 7.3 (unstable)
06:18<joseph>how do I do that?
06:18<joseph>apt-get install X
06:19<chealer>joseph: try # apt-get -tsid install xserver-xorg-core
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06:19<joseph>I really do love Debian
06:19<joseph>I wouldn't have it any other way
06:20<novakyu>hmm. what do you know. is out of date.
06:21<novakyu>seems to point to 4.0_r0.
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06:22<joseph>chealer: If you never see me again, you have my thanks.
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06:27<solemnwarning>Hi all
06:27<solemnwarning>I've got squid setup with winbind auth, can squid be configured to log the users that access the proxy?
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06:35<gsimmons_>solemnwarning: It should be already (as "domain/username") for traffic that's authorized. Check your access.log.
06:35<padski>solemnwarning: If no usernames appear in access.log and/or no password dialogs appear in either browser, then the acl/http_access portions of squid.conf are not correct.
06:36<padski>solemnwarning: (quoting from the link)
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06:38<nethawk>hmm guys.... I did an base install
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06:38<nethawk>and well installed Xor and Icewm...but the programs are using quite a lot ram & CPU...any idea?
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07:01<padski>nethawk: how tight are your resources ? you could look at the work done to slim gui down for palmtops. see
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07:02<INiziamoBene>good morning guys
07:03<INiziamoBene>i have a debian etch just installed!... i wish to set my wifi as roaming mode but i don't know how
07:03<INiziamoBene>any trick?
07:03<nethawk>padski, I've got an Atholn-XP 3000+ and 1024MB RAM
07:03<nethawk>and it-s using 800MB ram right now
07:04<nethawk>just for X-chat
07:04<sep>nethawk, how do you get that number ?
07:04<sep>if you type free , the numbers under free buffers cached are available ram
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07:05<sep>nethawk, same in top. the sum of the values in free buffers and cache is available ram
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07:05<nethawk>Mem: 906792 894164 12628 0 153636 590720
07:05<INiziamoBene>even if i set the network with essid and wep
07:06<INiziamoBene>i can't surf the net
07:06<nethawk>INiziamoBene, your on IRC aren't you?
07:06<nethawk>with the same comp?
07:06<INiziamoBene>with another laptop running windows
07:06<sep>nethawk, so you have 12628 + 153636 + 590720 = 756 984 available ram for
07:07<nethawk>sep, Thanks a lot
07:09<INiziamoBene>and so i can't install wifi-radar
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07:09<INiziamoBene>and u know that without wifi a laptop is like a boat plenty of holes!.-)
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07:10<nethawk>why don't you download wifi radar on this PC and bring it with a USB key to the other comp, install it there and hope that it will work
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07:11<INiziamoBene>it seems that my wifi card is switchet off
07:11<INiziamoBene>even if the network manager says that it is on
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07:11<nethawk>btw...when you were installing Debian did you choose [*] Laptop
07:12<nethawk>do you have to start it manually too?
07:12<nethawk>like a key or something
07:12<nethawk>well did you start it?
07:12<INiziamoBene>but it didn't work
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07:13<nethawk>try starting it via the console
07:13<nethawk>something like net.eth0
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07:14<nethawk>look for net.eth* in /etc/
07:14<nethawk>somewhere it has to be
07:15<nethawk>not sure though....look in /etc/network
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07:28<BBoyDanny>INiziamoBene® sei italiano?
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07:51<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
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07:58<kemel>hi. i guess i screwed my pkg-config. every time i try to install somethin i got this error: files list file for package `pkg-config' is missing final newline
07:59<kemel>i've tried to reinstall and remove the pkg-config but got the same erro too
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08:02<jm_>kemel: where did you get it from?
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08:04<kemel>can anyone give me a hint
08:04<kemel>from apt or synaptic
08:04<kemel>it is the same thing
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08:12<jm_>kemel: which repository?
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08:20<jm_>kemel: please don't msg me, talk here
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08:21<jm_>kemel: package from stable doesn't have such problems, so you need to find out where it's coming from - apt-cache policy pkg-config
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08:24<kemel>jm_ no the package on the repository realy doesn't have a problem. the problem is that i screwed my file and can't substitute it
08:24<kemel>or install anything
08:24<jm_>kemel: which file?
08:24<kemel>the pkg-config
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08:24<jm_>kemel: you mean you manually messed with /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-config.list ?
08:25<kemel>no. i guess the problem is with the /usr/bin/pkg-config
08:25<jm_>no it's not
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08:26<jm_>edit that file
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08:26<kemel>whitch on
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08:26<jm_>I mentioned it 2 minutes ago
08:27<kemel>what am I supposed to edit?
08:27<jm_>what does the last line say?
08:28<jm_>that looks fine
08:29<kemel>i guess the problem happened because i was trying to compile a sorce
08:30<kemel>i kept telling me to update my PKG_CONFIG_PATH
08:30<kemel>and i exported my entries to this PKG_CONFIG_PATH
08:31<jm_>can you paste the entire error on some paste site?
08:31<Elsy>hola jose escribeme como va todo como esta el panorama
08:32<kemel>i pasted it on the brazilian debian forum...
08:32<kemel>i can past is here for you
08:32<jm_>you can give me the link
08:33<kemel>yes. one second
08:33<kemel>but part of the message is portuguese
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08:36<kemel>files list file for package `pkg-config' is missing final newline. Errors were found during the processing of: "any package". Process stopped because there were many errors..
08:36<jm_>kemel: ok, rename this file and install it again
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08:37<jm_>it probably has some other crap in it - but question is why, could be indication of hardware errors or fs issues
08:38<kemel>ok. wait a second
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08:41<kemel>same error
08:41<jm_>what exactly did you do?
08:42<kemel>sudo mv /usr/bin/pkg-config /usr/bin/pkg-config2
08:42<jm_>no no no
08:42<jm_>move it back
08:43<kemel>opened synaptic, searched, marked for reinstall
08:43<jm_>mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-config.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-config.list.orig
08:45<kemel>but synaptic does not find a pkg-config.list package. should i try to reinstall the pkg-config one?
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08:47<kemel>ok. brb
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08:50<kemel>it worked
08:50<kemel>let's see if i can install something else
08:51<kemel>do you have any idea?
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08:54<kemel>i can't find anything to test
08:54<arcson>hi.. i was having some problems with zebra, i can't find it on my source.list.. what source i need to put on my source.list to take zebra?
08:54<weasel>arcson: use quagga?
08:55<arcson>yes, its good.
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08:55<arcson>do you know the source that i find it?
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08:56<weasel>quagga is in debian.
08:56<kemel>jm_ thanks a lot man!!! everything seems allright now
08:56<jm_>kemel: no worries
08:57<kemel>jm_ should i del the
08:57<kemel>jm_ should i del the pkg-config.list.orig
08:57<arcson>i try to find.. because i make a so clean instalatition with no packages
08:57<kemel>the one i changed the name?
08:58<jm_>kemel: you can yeah
08:58<kemel>1000 thanks for you, dude
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08:58<kemel>i am already late to work
08:59<kemel>gotta go imediately
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09:00<kemel>thanks once againg
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09:04<PBD>hello, can someone tell me what the name is of that opensource program which can take screenshots/snapshots of your screen? I forgot it's name...
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09:04<dpkg>from memory, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd
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09:07<PBD>sorry, that are not the ones I am looking for
09:07<miksuh>PBD: If you are using gnome desktop, tou can use gnome-screenshot
09:07<miksuh>you can start it from terminal or from gnome menu
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09:08<jm_>this is a good one: #5: I have no idea what you're talking about, but I wish to state that I will vote for helix in the 2008 DPL elections.
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09:19<Raaku>question... Running 2.4 kernel arm ep9302 cpu.... wondering if anyone has or could have the printer.o module compiled...
09:20<Raaku>lsusb recognizes the usb printer...
09:20<Raaku>but dmesg says usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0xa17/0x3401) is not claimed by any active driver
09:20<Raaku>any help would be greatly appreciated
09:20<miksuh>Ar you using Sarge or older debian or why kernel 2.4?
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09:21<Raaku>2.4 is whats on the embedded board now... .
09:21<Raaku>(long story)
09:21<jm_>don't you need something like usblp too?
09:22<Raaku>whats that
09:23<jm_>maybe not, it's how it's called in 2.6
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09:29<ville83>how i can install in vpn client cisco systems and where i gedit
09:31<gollita>hello how are you
09:31<PBD>found it...see that it isn't opensource anymore
09:31<ville83>fine thank´s how are you
09:31<dpkg>ville83: you know how it is...
09:31<PBD>called faststone capture
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09:36<ville83>i found in debian openvpn it thats good program, in the making vpn tunnel
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09:38<miksuh>ville83: it's ok
09:38<ville83>thanks i install that and try
09:39<miksuh>I have created cpn tunnel to my home lan using openvpn and it works just fine
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09:40<miksuh>there is lots of openvpn turtorials in the internet
09:41<ville83>okey i believe that
09:42<Knight_Lord>Is there any good formula editor for KDE?
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09:42<ville83>lots okey thanks that information was muh help
09:42<ville83>much help
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09:44<avtobiff>what is the business with untrusted packages. aptitude complains about this when i try to install gimp on lenny. are the packages not signed?
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09:51<Cap_J_L_Picard>avtobiff: Just update
09:52<Cap_J_L_Picard>It needs to grab the new keys...
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09:55<ranix>my /dev/lp0 dissappeared on reboot
09:55<ranix>what gives
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09:56<ranix>did I uninstall something that makes /dev/lp0 or something? I thought it was just the LPT port?
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10:01<gollita>hello how are you
10:01<dpkg>gollita: pretty good. how about you?
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10:01<LeRoutier>I'm seen RFA for swfdec0.5 (bug #451209). I'd like to adopt it. Who should I poke to become its Debian Maintainer ?
10:02<gollita>not speak englis
10:03<witte>LeRoutier: I think that is somewhere described on the web
10:03<witte>LeRoutier: let me look for it
10:03<LeRoutier>thanks. I gave up the idea of becoming a DD, takes too long. DM is enough for my needs
10:05<LeRoutier>witte, it's a packaging guide. I already have packages built. lintian & linda cleaned
10:05<witte>LeRoutier: ok, I was just checking it out, the title looked promissing though
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10:13<munga>is the mysql-server-5.0 shipped with etch compiled with openSSL support ?
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10:25<Guest775>is anybody here?
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10:43[~]ServerSide is Away, Reason: ( playin' ) | Since: ( Thursday, November 15, 2007. 16:10:52 ) Xlack v2.1
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10:46<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:49[~]ServerSide is back ( Away 5 mins 28 secs )
10:49<witte>!tell ServerSide about away
10:49<ServerSide>i know about away, that's why i disabled it ;)
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10:50<ServerSide>and soz'
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10:56<Zathras>hi. I am looking for a way to auto generate samba passwords. I thought I found the solution in a tool called 'ntlmgen'. But I fail to find in which package it is (using a dpkg sreach and using Any pointers much appreciated. I need it on a Woody machine
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10:57<Zathras>can it be part of: libcrypt-smbhash-perl ?
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10:59<SilverFrost>hi everyone
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11:02<SilverFrost>ive just installed Java: jre-6u3 from Sun but Azureus complains over that the file or directory doesnt exist when i try to start up azureus, what am i doing rong here?
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11:07<SilverFrost>anyway i like Debian amazing OS really
11:08<Zathras>main thing you are doing is wrong is not specifying the full error text ;-)
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11:12<riboflavin>how can i make my folder into archive .zip?
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11:14<LeRoutier>riboflavin, zip -r9 folder
11:15<riboflavin>thanks LeRoutier
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11:17<SilverFrost>can i copy/paste the answer azureus given from the terminal somehere? and you can look at it?
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11:18<LeRoutier>SilverFrost, use a pastebin
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11:19<Guest779>i dont know german
11:19<azeem>Guest779: good, this is an english speaking channel
11:20<Guest779>fine.. what channel is this??
11:20<Guest779>i hav no idea
11:20<Zathras>yep. found it. Is part of that perl lib. building it manually through cpan worked
11:20<SilverFrost>here it is:
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11:23<Zathras>been a while since I installed java on debian, but is sounds like you did some manual install instead of using apt/aptitude and the likes
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11:24<Zathras>you can check the paths if they exist manually
11:24<SilverFrost>yes i took that from Suns homepage and installed it
11:24<Zathras>always better to use the repository first
11:25<Zathras>most commercial software assumes RedHat and the likes for paths
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11:28<GNine>gutSy in the ro0m
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11:30<SilverFrost>ok. yeah now i found something java-gcj-compat-dev at the repository
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11:33<Zathras>SilverFrost, sure you have not found the real thing? gcj is not the regular JRE or JDK afaik
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11:34<witte>!tell SilverFrost about java
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11:34<witte>!tell SilverFrost about install java
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11:44<SilverFrost>i am sure i found the real thing i dl from Sun installed it and everything. the other i said "java-gcj-compat-dev" was listed at the Synaptic i made a search.
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11:51<biz>hi, i need to debootstrap some machines and have just finished the first one. now i've copied over /var/cache/apt/archives with all downloaded packages from the full install to the new base systems. but they do not use them! they just downloa again and overwrite them?? any ideas?
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11:58<KeDaO>hi! anybody knows how to rescue deleted files from an ext3 system?
11:59<dpkg>rumour has it, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
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12:00<njubi___>Hi folks I ot a huge Problem
12:02<JasonS>!tell njubi___ about ask
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12:05<njubi___>II installed JRE 6 and put a unstable-server into my sources.list. I did the system-updates and without knowing I updated Etch 4.1 stable to Lenny/sid unstable. After rebooting I didnt have just 2.6.18-5-k7, I also have 2.6.22-3-k7. But none of the versions boots. Can I make a downgrade? is that possible? How can I get my system back? Or is there a way to reconstruct yesterday nights system? THX
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12:05<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
12:06<witte>njubi___: but unstable at this moment works quite well (in my experience) so maybe the problem is something else which you can solve
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12:08<KeDaO>witte, i had a raid 0 on the system file i deleted accidentally, i umounted one of the two devices and... i am seeing the data.. :?
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12:08<KeDaO>i am making a backup just now!! xddd ufff
12:08<witte>KeDaO: raid 0, isn't that just identical copies?
12:09<KeDaO>if that for i am sayin that
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12:09<KeDaO>its suppoused that in two devices all the data must be lost
12:09<witte>ah, it isnt
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12:09<witte>!raid 0
12:09<dpkg>[raid 0] Also known as disk striping, this form of RAID combines two or more hard drives into a single logical drive. Any data is written in blocks first to one drive, then the next, and so on. A RAID 0 configuration sacrifices redundancy for raw speed. The more drives you use the faster your logical drive will be. The space available on the logical drive is the sum of space on all of the drives used, assuming that all drives are the same size. If ...
12:10<witte>KeDaO: it looks suspicious in any case :-)
12:10<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
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12:11<KeDaO>mmm i think i have a raid 1 then
12:11<njubi___>how can I find out whats wrong with my system? Except a "ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibley broken" he doesnt give me an error-message. It just says: "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid raphael tty1 computer login: ..." But why doesnt it boot?
12:11<witte>njubi___: so you can log in?
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12:12<witte>njubi___: you just don't get a gui?
12:12<witte>aaaaaah, ok that is something completely different
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12:12<njubi___>how can I find out the reason?
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12:13<witte>njubi___: the xserver between etch and sid has changed, you should first try to reconfigure it I think
12:13<witte>!tell njubi___ about drxx
12:13<njubi___>done that before, cool
12:14<witte>njubi___: the reason you can find in the logs: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:16<KeDaO>mmm the system is saying me that i have too files in a directory and cant do a copy, anybody knows how to automatically give files to cp one for one to copy an entire directory?
12:16<njubi___>I whats the twm-interface?
12:16<KeDaO>there are around 8000 files
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12:16<njubi___>its not the X I guess
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12:17<witte>KeDaO: for i in *;do cp $i /path;done
12:17<witte>but there are probably better solutions
12:17<witte>njubi___: twm is a very basic window manager
12:17<dpkg>from memory, twm is a very basic window manager for X.
12:18<witte>wow dpkg thinks almost identical, nice :-)
12:18<fxiny>you can use Alan Cox tar tricks as well
12:18<fxiny>it should even be faster
12:18<fxiny>for the 8000 dir files
12:18<njubi___>can I find my crashlogs here in the twm?
12:18<witte>KeDaO: maybe sync would be better?
12:19<KeDaO>tar tricks¿?
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12:19<fxiny>here you are : (cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xpvf -)
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12:21<njubi___>can I solve my problem here in the twm?
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12:26<Trollinator>KVM doens't work on my Debian Sid System.
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12:27<Trollinator>that is, the debian kde4 live cd crashe
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12:27<KeDaO>witte apt-get install sync ? xd
12:28<KeDaO>where i look for sync?
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12:28<KeDaO>fxiny lets trye :) the above solution
12:28<witte>KeDaO: sync is in coreutils
12:29<fxiny>i'd use old dear tar cause is faster
12:29<witte>fxiny: rsync is for remote sync i think, but probably it is the same if you use it on the same pc, but I am not so aware of the further differences
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12:29<fxiny>witte: yes it is ok for local copy too
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12:30<fxiny>rsync -avz --delete dir1/ dir2/
12:30<njubi___>how can I solve my problem? Does the TWM help me to fix my system?
12:30<witte>njubi___: depends on what is broken and when you call it fixed
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12:30<KeDaO>now its doing the copy with "tar"
12:31<fxiny>witte: that tar line is an Alan Cox solution ands is faster the cp all files one by one
12:31<KeDaO>witte i have coreutils but i dont have sync command i think, and yes, rsync is for remote
12:31<fxiny>rsync does local too
12:31<KeDaO>hola viky
12:32<koollman>rsync works very well locally too
12:32<witte>KeDaO: whereis sync
12:32<KeDaO>and whats the differience¿?
12:32<KeDaO>witte i am just asking that! xd
12:32<witte>KeDaO: maybe better use rsync
12:32<witte>KeDaO: put that line in your command line
12:32<dude>hello can someone help? i cant get online etch amd64
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12:33<dude>it doesnt detect my hardware? knoppix does but debian doesn't ?
12:33<witte>dude: which hardware? adsl, wifi, ethernet,...
12:34<witte>dude: which card?
12:34<dude>it onboard nvidia
12:34<dude>MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
12:34<witte>dude: can you give us the result of "lspci |grep net"
12:34<njubi___>I think I am gonna delete my system, I dont see another way...
12:34<dude>the manual says it an RTL820CL
12:35<dude>00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
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12:36<witte>dude: that seems supported
12:36<witte>dude: can you put the output of "/sbin/ifconfig" in a pastebin
12:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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12:37<dude>witte, i'am not in an etch environment at the moment, i'am using knoppix
12:37<fxiny>KeDaO: you should have already done it by : mkdir /path/yourdestination then run (cd /path/sourcedir && tar cf - . ) | (cd /path/yourdestination && tar xpvf -)
12:37<fxiny>that's it
12:38<fxiny>very easy nice clean and VINTAGE :)
12:38<witte>dude: ok, so the lspci output was also in knoppix, of course
12:38<witte>dude so probably the module is not loaded in debian, one second
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12:43<witte>dude: normally that should be driver/module forcedeth, which is in the 2.6.18 kernel (etch)
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12:44<witte>dude: if it does not load (check with "lsmod |grep forcedeth"), do "modprobe forcedeth" as root
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12:50<Cadavre>Hi everyone:)
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12:50[~]fxiny touches wood
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12:54<dude>witte i'll try and load some other modules, thanx
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12:55<njubi___>is there anybody who can rescue my system?
12:56<Cadavre>what is the problem
12:56<Cadavre>I'm not a professionnal, but I'm a good beginner who learned some through time;)
12:56<njubi___>II installed JRE 6 and put a unstable-server into my sources.list. I did the system-updates and without knowing I updated Etch 4.1 stable to Lenny/sid unstable. After rebooting I didnt have just 2.6.18-5-k7, I also have 2.6.22-3-k7. But none of the versions boots. Can I make a downgrade? is that possible? How can I get my system back? Or is there a way to reconstruct yesterday nights system? THX
12:56<Cadavre>sorry my bad english, im french canadian, but ill try to help you with what I can
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12:57<Cadavre>there a big problem
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12:57<witte>njubi___: you told us before your system did boot, but you did not have gui, somehting completely different
12:57<witte>njubi___: and I told you can not downgrade
12:57<Cadavre>yeah..if your GUI dont boot, the problem is surely in xorg
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12:57<Cadavre>if all the pc dont boot, its a grub problem
12:58<Cadavre>are you able to access your file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
12:58<Cadavre>via nano?
12:58<njubi___>no, I think GRUB works, ist a Debian system crash I guess
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12:58<njubi___>via Debian Update
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12:59<Cadavre>I dont know this, I always use console and sources that me and my friends know are reliable
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12:59<Cadavre>My best tip: try to backup your file using a live cd?
12:59<Cadavre>and reinstall
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13:00<fxiny>if you run sid you should know what you are doing , there is no need to yupdatre to sid for a jre6 it can run in etch
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13:00<njubi___>i know, was an incident
13:01<Cadavre>good luck for your backup
13:01<Cadavre>live cd are great tools for this
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13:01<fxiny>next just read : man update-alternatives
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13:01<Cadavre>but I prefer Debian as a desktop system:)
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13:05<Guest792>i have a question if I network install debian not threw cd and I setup the installation on a 17 inch can I change it to a high rez flat screen?
13:05<Guest792>or will there be issues?
13:06<amphi>!drxx Guest792
13:06<dpkg>Guest792: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
13:06<Cadavre>what a great tool:)
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13:07<Cadavre>its the first bot I see who have a REAL use
13:07<Guest792>for some reason when I put that command in and follow the setup is doesn't save the config
13:07<GNine>well edited
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13:08<fxiny>Cadavre: is not a bot is a real dictator
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13:09<fxiny>dpkg rulez
13:09<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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13:09<Guest792>i have the screen connected to the pc but it tells me on the screen not suporting this screen or something but I ssh to the box and put that comman and the settup and nothing
13:09<Guest792>should I reinstall from that screen"?
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13:10<witte>Guest792: you have to restart the gui environment as well
13:10<Cadavre>yes you do, dpkg
13:10<Guest792>well I did
13:10<witte>Guest792: /etc/init.d/{x,k,g,w}dm restart
13:10<Guest792>o really
13:11<fxiny>witte: good shot :)
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13:11<Guest792>well I just restarted the box
13:11<witte>Guest792: ah, ok ,that should have worked as well
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13:11<Guest792>still nothing
13:11<witte>fxiny: yeah, but it missed :P
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13:12<witte>Guest792: you should look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
13:12<Cadavre>sorry to seem so newb, but is dpkg a person who run a script or is it a bot owned by someone?
13:12<witte>!what are you
13:12<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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13:12<Cadavre>because I run a french gnu/linux help channel
13:12<Cadavre>and traducted, this bot could be of real use
13:13<witte>Cadavre: it is especially good for beer
13:13<witte>!beer Cadavre
13:13[~]dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Guinness for Cadavre
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13:13<Cadavre>and not a budweiser or another kinda beer...guiness:)
13:14<Cadavre>ahahahahahahaaha just saw the topic: this is not ubuntu
13:14<Guest792>well do u think my best bet would be to install in using that screen ?
13:14<Cadavre>surely guest....hardware is recognozed on install
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13:15<Cadavre>for as long as I know
13:15[~]GNine is away: track zer0 bad
13:15<Cadavre>and its just a half hour or so:)
13:15<witte>Guest792: I do not think that woudl be necessary, you cannot reinstall on any small problem
13:15<witte>Guest792: but it would work...
13:15<Cadavre>(is the noob way, my way)
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13:16<witte>Guest792: did you check out the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
13:16<witte>Guest792: if you do not find the problem there, upload it to a pastebin
13:16<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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13:18<dpkg>blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot.
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13:19<witte>!tell Cadavre about infobot
13:19<Cadavre>I think i gonna learn a little bit of perl:P
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13:19<Cadavre>im learning php by now...but i got friends who are more skillful than me;)
13:20<Cadavre>on my help channel would be of no use:P
13:20<fxiny>hmmm : Saint Marillat church still closed ...
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13:22<fxiny>a bit of perl ? yahhh do it : it can't kill you :P
13:23<Cadavre>I discovered a passion on computers when I discovered free softwares
13:23<fxiny>yes ?
13:24<Cadavre>im kinda old to start, but since 8 months that I'm using gnu/linux, ive learn a lot
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13:24<Guest792>i was talking to witte I think yesterday about it
13:24[~]fxiny lights a Lazarus-shaped candle on his Larry Wall altar
13:24<Guest792>a lot of lines
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13:25<witte>Guest792: did we talk about this before, would have been two days ago I guess?
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13:26<Cadavre>when I started using gnu/linux, as a weirdo I am
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13:26<Cadavre>Ive wrote to Richard Stallman, to thank him about those product(ive try with Torvalds too, but no adress is good public
13:27<witte>Guest792: if you are working on that screen for two days, and still did not find it. And you have not really something valueable on it, maybe it is easier to just reinstall
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13:27<Cadavre>and he told me that in time, i would learn a lot
13:27<Cadavre>he was so right
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13:28<fxiny>Cadavre: welcome :)
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13:30<rjent>Anyone help on broadcom 1713 lenny install?
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13:30<Jabka>how can i change the default setting in bab ?
13:30<Jabka>in files
13:30<Jabka>rjent : i can try
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13:31<Cadavre>you finally mae it oscar:)
13:31<Cadavre>me too!
13:31<sheldonh>phew. 84 hour ordeal over
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13:31<sheldonh>hot tip. don't even _think_ about using linux pppd for link aggregation in production
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13:32<rjent>Jabaka: well I may have figured it our. Hang on a few
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13:32<Jabka>anyone with etch and kwin-baghira + kxdocker ?
13:33<Guest792>ok thanks I going to resintall lol later
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13:33<rjent>Jabaka: Should I be able to do a netinstall with that card?
13:33<Jabka>rjent: that is Jabka
13:34<Jabka>afaik the bcm43xx module has issues
13:34<dpkg>somebody said bcm43xx was the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2., or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @
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13:35<Jabka>sorry i miss read it the card is 1713 not 4317
13:35<Jabka>right ?
13:35<rjent>Jabka: sorry
13:35<witte>ah, ok. I just saw your reference to 1713, don't know that one.
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13:37<Jabka>rjent: asfaik it is an ethernet card and it should work ok (on lenny)
13:37<rjent>witte: well it is detected and works in knoppix so I figured it should work with stock debian. I am attempting a netboot of lenny and it does not load the driver. Perhaps I could download a netboot sid cd and try
13:37<rjent>Jabka: Is there a netboot sid download I could try
13:38<Jabka>what kernel on knoppix ?
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13:39<chapajai>i have problems with usb external hard disk
13:40<chapajai>can some one read the /etc/modules file i only have inside the word loop
13:41<rjent>Jabka: 2.6.19
13:41<Jabka>so etch should be able to find it
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13:42<Jabka>but still you can allways work debian-live
13:42<Jabka>rjent :that wasn
13:42<Jabka>that wasn't for you
13:42<nexx__>hey guys, im setting up apache on my computer and i want to make sure every thing is working properly with port forwarding and what not, can someone try and let me know if it works
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13:43<petemc>nexx__: no
13:43<rjent>Jabka: :)
13:43<JasonS>nexx__: not here
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13:43<sooperku1>for me it does not work either
13:43<Jabka>nexx__ : 100% packet loss
13:43<nexx__>k, my isp must have 80 blocked
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13:44<Jabka>even nmap didn't gave anything
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13:45<witte>rjent: it should be detected in debian as well, but the firmware won't be included on the cd
13:45<Jabka>rjent: afaiu it should work on etch( even that the kernel there is 2.6.18
13:45<witte>rjent: if you need firmware
13:46<Jabka>any way try the cdimage net install for lenny
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13:48<Jabka>can anyone check bab on etch ?
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13:49<EmleyMoor>What causes the automatic locking of the desktop to be inhibited?
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13:53<witte>EmleyMoor: depends on which wm
13:53<witte>EmleyMoor: gnome and kde each have their own program iirc
13:53<witte>EmleyMoor: otherwise it is normally xscreensaver i believe
13:54<witte>EmleyMoor: gnome-screensaver?
13:54<EmleyMoor>witte: I'm on about what inhibits its operation, not what it's called
13:54<witte>EmleyMoor: it will be configurable through a gnome menu I bet
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13:54<EmleyMoor>It's being inhibited by something
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13:55<witte>EmleyMoor: ok, i was thinking you wanted it to be inhibited
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13:59<nexx__> ... can some one try again please
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14:00<fxiny>is on
14:00<nexx__>thanks guys
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14:01<JasonS>nothing here
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14:01<nexx__>it could be a dns problem, i'll give you an ip link
14:01<fxiny>w green spooki weeeeee
14:01<JasonS>oops there we go
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14:02<JasonS>need to work on your html though heh
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14:02<nexx__>yeah i know....i just wanted to make sure every thing was working
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14:08<Jake>is it possible to run the 64-bit version in Parallels?
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14:12<nexx__>lol....there is a M$ add on
14:12<fxiny>long time
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14:12<nexx__>i've never been to
14:12<fxiny>i heard of this ads
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14:16<nexx__>any one know of any good web design tools for linux?
14:16<nexx__>or more specifically something i can get in the aptitude proggy?
14:17<qbit>nexx__, what kinda web design ya talkin?
14:17<qbit>html stuff?
14:17<nexx__>css maybe
14:17<qbit>eclipse has some php plugins
14:17<qbit>and does the html / css thing as well
14:17<nexx__>ok thanks, i'll give er a go
14:18<Jake>When I try to install Debian AMD64, i get an error that says, Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit distribution
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14:18<nexx__>eclipse is a java app?
14:18<nexx__>or java development tool?
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14:19<Jake>What does it mean to not support long mode?
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14:19<FalandA>hello guys, someone may help me about fedora linux?
14:19<nexx__>FalandA: why dont you try the fedora support chan?
14:19<witte>FalandA: no, this is a debian related channel
14:19<fxiny>fetora ^
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14:20<FalandA>i m really newbie
14:20<FalandA>where is the fedora support chan?
14:20<FalandA>my age 13 dont ban me :)
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14:20<witte>#fedora maybe? could be that you have to move to freenode
14:21<FalandA>i m in there but nobody :(
14:21<FalandA>anyway its not about fedora actually
14:21<witte>FalandA: also on the freenode servers
14:21<FalandA>i can't connect my wireless network
14:21<FalandA>NetworkManager saw my network list but does not accept my password
14:22<FalandA>i use WEP & 64 bit 10 hex digits
14:22<FalandA>what should i do witte bro?
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14:22<chealer>Jake: that applications can't be run in long mode.
14:22<witte>FalandA: how should I know? is your key correct?
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14:23<FalandA>i tried passphrase, and generated key too
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14:23<FalandA>does NetworkManager support 64 bit 10 hex? i dont know that, i tried everyway. but it has got WEP 128bit passphrase option
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14:24<EmleyMoor>I haven't actually used NetworkManager
14:24<EmleyMoor>(it might be an idea for me to try at some time)
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14:25<EmleyMoor>I have had no problem with 64 or 128 bit WEP or WPA using wpa_supplicant
14:25<FalandA>my english not so good EmleyMoor
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14:26<FalandA>is it a GUI program or works with command?
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14:28<________>Hi, problem: tomcat5.5 running with apache2.2.6 and mod_jk (jk), JSP files are working.. but the servlets doesnt work (shows error, and the code). /var/log/tomcat5.5 /var/log/apache2 shows the same error. I check my configuration many (many!) times... and it "should" be woking.
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14:28<________>Has somebody try that before? (apache, mod_jk, tomcat (debian way))?
14:30<Jake>Parallels doesn't support 64-bit mode?
14:30<________>My, problem is that i made the "configuration" and looks fine. but doesnt work, (I was looking differente manuals and yes is "fine")
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14:31<chealer>Jake: what do you mean by Parallels?
14:32<azeem>it's a virtualisation thingy
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14:37<________>... has somebody try to configure tomcat5.5 and apache2.2.6?
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14:45<joseph>how do you unload a module?
14:45<biz>hi, i need to debootstrap some machines and have just finished the first one. now i've copied over /var/cache/apt/archives with all downloaded packages from the full install to the new base systems. but they do not use them! they just downloa again and overwrite them?? any ideas?
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14:45<witte>joseph: rmmod <modulename>
14:45<Partition>or modprobe -r modulename.
14:46<joseph>FATAL: Module ctalsa is in use.
14:46<witte>biz: during install, udebs are used, but once the base install is done, this should work...
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14:55<Supaplex>how lousy. xen leaks memory when a domU crashes?!?
14:55<Supaplex>with 4G in this amd64 box, and no domUs, I'm down to 2G
14:56<fxiny>join the low resources club then :P
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14:57<rjent>anyone doing time clocks with debian or other linux based?
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14:57<Debain>how to select the open gl driver?
14:58<Debain>rjent: what do you mean with it?
14:58<azeem>Debain: what do you mean with open gl driver?
14:58<Debain>rjent: i am gentoo user, but a fried has debian problems, i need to know how to set up the opel gl driver
14:58<dpkg>from memory, mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at or ask me about 'glx'
14:58<Debain>azeem i mean x-org or nvidia
14:58<azeem>Debain: what is the problem?
14:59<Debain>azeem on gentoo it do that with elselect opengl list
14:59<Debain>azeem the problem is, that a game of him does not start
14:59<rjent>Debian: well I am looking for a time clock software for a business based around debian or other linux
14:59<azeem>Debain: what is the problem *on Debian*?
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15:00<reflect>how do I find out if debian is correctly identifying my 3d card? Its very choppy when in use, I dont think its using hte correct drivers, where whould I look to see what drivers are being used?
15:00<azeem>reflect: what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
15:00<amphi>reflect: what card is it, and what driver is it using?
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15:00<Debain>azeem his game does not start
15:00<reflect>one sec
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15:00<Debain>azeem he wants to play wow (a firend of me) under wine
15:01<azeem>Debain: why doesn't your friend come here?
15:01<reflect>vortex@addai:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
15:01<reflect>direct rendering: No
15:01<reflect>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
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15:01<reflect>its a geforce fx 5200
15:01<Vanye>My friend hates Linux.
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15:01<Debain>azeem i come for him
15:02<Debain>azeem so how to select which opengl driver to use under debian
15:02<amphi>Vanye: good ;)
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15:02<azeem>Debain: do you mean driver?
15:02<Vanye>He's also not into IRC.
15:02<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
15:02<azeem>Debain: ^^
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15:04<Supaplex>Vanye: are you your own friend?
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15:07<reflect>hrm.. how do I select my card then so debian will recognize it?
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15:07<zumbi_>i have a wireless chipset rt2561, do you know what would be debian way to get drivers installed for such device?
15:08<chealer>reflect: # discover video
15:08<witte>zumbi_: which kernel are you using?
15:08<amphi>Vanye: good
15:09<reflect>chealer thats all?
15:09<reflect>addai:/home/vortex# discover video
15:09<reflect>nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
15:09<zumbi_>witte: Linux Enano 2.6.22-3-iop32x
15:09[~]Vanye finally realizes nobody's talking to him and kicks his crappy voice synthesizer.
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15:10<chealer>reflect: well, you compare the output with what you card is, and if it's the same, then the card is correctly identified.
15:10<witte>zumbi_: what kind of kernel is that?
15:10<rjent>Jabka: ok I tried the nightly build and the network card works like a top. Now I get an error about unable to mount proc after partition so I will try businesscard to see if I get better results.
15:10<witte>!tell zumbi_ about rt61
15:10<zumbi_>witte: that is a kernel for ARM devices (armel)
15:11<witte>ah, ok, did not recognize it, what kind of device (just curious)
15:11<witte>!tell zumbi_ about rt2x00
15:11<reflect>thats the card i have, but in gl games it is extremely choppy.
15:11<zumbi_>witte: thecus n2100, but the wifi card is a minipci bought apart
15:11<witte>the rt2x00 should work reasonably well with this card on newer kernels (such as yours)
15:12<zumbi_>witte: thanks, i should try it
15:12<witte>zumbi_: but I am not very happy with it :-) (I have the same card and it often works
15:13<witte>zumbi_: often as in, not when you really need it :(
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15:15<zumbi_>witte: i tried some other ralink cards and those did well for me
15:17<witte>zumbi_: the rt61 has drivers from ralink, and they work up to a certain kernel (stopped compiling after 2.6.20 or so) and the rt2x00 open source project only recently recognized my card. But I bought mine thinking that ralink would be ok :-)
15:17<witte>zumbi_: of course, it could also have been a user error ;-)
15:18<witte>btw: I googled that thecus n2100 machine: nice stuff :-)
15:19<zumbi_>witte: hehe, yes, its quitte nice
15:19<zumbi_>i would say that is NSLU2 big brother
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15:19<witte>zumbi_: I was thinking the same
15:21[~]Vanye jams.
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16:04<PinkFlamingo>hello everyone!
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16:06<bushblows>when loading dbe in xorg.conf has anyone ever had the issue, where it dosnt show your icons until you run a cursor over them.
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16:13<PinkFlamingo>I have a question... I seem to have a problem where grub does not load or work. When I turn my computer on, it does not give me the option to pick linux or xp. Ideas?
16:13<bushblows>what does it do when you laod your computer? does grub show up?
16:14<PinkFlamingo>no grub does not show up
16:14<PinkFlamingo>thats my problem
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16:15<bushblows>what screen do you get right after the initial boot screen?
16:15<PinkFlamingo>it loads my os
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16:15<PinkFlamingo>the windows screen
16:16<flub>PinkFlamingo: how did you install grub?
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16:17<PinkFlamingo>throught the debian install
16:17<PinkFlamingo>it asked to install it and i clicked continue
16:18<PinkFlamingo>does it make a difference if i installed windows before linux?
16:18<flub>it shouldn't
16:19<sheldonh>PinkFlamingo: perhaps you installed debian on a different disk?
16:19<flub>is this an etch or a lenny install?
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16:21<flub>PinkFlamingo: you can try booting the etch cd again, type in rescue at the prompt
16:22<flub>after a while it should offer a menu with some options, one of them is re-installing grub iirc
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16:22<PinkFlamingo>i've been looking on google all day, but nothing worked
16:22<PinkFlamingo>thanks again
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16:23<sheldonh>i wonder whether he installed on another disk. and now we'll never know
16:24<sheldonh>i don't know whether the installer's smart enough to install grub on bios disk 0 when you install to another disk
16:24<flub>it should be
16:24<flub>and i recon he'll come back if it doesn't work, no?
16:25<flub>didn't realise it was the machine he was using irc on...
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16:29<flub>eek, my bios needs a partition with a bootable flag on before it will run the mbr on the disk
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16:29<flub>how ugly
16:30<flub>i was just struggeling with a very similar issue as PinkFlamingo as you can guess...
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16:49<chapajai>please help with usb devices in gnome debian
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16:50<chapajai>gnome-volume-manager can not detect my usbś devices
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17:02<donfede>hello :) how can I force the "order" of sound cards? (on a debian stable system, using udev). I have one SB Live sound card and another RME sound card. My goal is for the same card (RME) to come up as alsa device 0 (from aplay -l output ) after every reboot.
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17:04<cahoot> donfede see 3.14
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17:04<donfede>cahoot: thank you kindly :-D, that looks like what I need
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17:12<Shu>is there anyway to start gnome from starting on startup?
17:13<cahoot>Shu: you want console mode?
17:13<cahoot>Shu: try /msg dpkg nodm
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17:26<jthomas>Shu: i know a better way -- install KDE ;)
17:27<Shu>i have KDE
17:27<jthomas>I have a large (292pg) .doc opened in OOo and the app constantly flashes -- anyone know why, and how I can fix it?
17:27<Shu>gnome still starts on startup
17:27<Shu>and it STILL doesnt fix it
17:28<Shu>jthomas: it happens to me when im on my really bad box and i open any large file
17:28<Shu>you should try splitting it up, thats the only solution i know
17:28<jthomas>this isn't that bad of a box tho, imho
17:28<jthomas>its a microsoft .doc, I'd prefer to dump it entirely. but i cannot, its a work thing
17:29<jthomas>maybe its bad enough tho, not sure
17:29<Supaplex>jthomas: master and subdocuments
17:29<jthomas>i didn't write it, i'm annoyed enough at having to read it (about AD migration), I don't want to spend time changing it
17:29<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
17:29<jthomas>no worries
17:30<Shu>ive tried that
17:30<Shu>it STILL doesnt work...
17:31<Supaplex>Shu: so it's uninstalled but still running? How'd you pull that off? Did you restart it yet? Did you try C+A+backspace?
17:32<Shu>no, i want it installed
17:32<Shu>i just dont want it to run on startup
17:33<Supaplex>then update-rc.d -f gdm remove ; invoke-rc.d gdm stop
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17:35<Supaplex>gparted could not mount device /dev/mapper/xen-w2k3_c invalid argument. humm
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17:37<Supaplex>!test to maywald
17:37<dpkg>Testing to maywald... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$
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17:38<maywald>test ok ;-)
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17:38<maywald>bye bye..
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18:16<christoph>hi. does anyone know a programm for a dynamic switching of the cpu ( core 2 duo (t5470))
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18:17<azeem>christoph: what do you mean?
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18:18<christoph>ah programm like notebook hardware controll
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18:19<christoph>i think cpufreq does not support core 2 duo
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18:19<jnempu>how can i make a c++ agent?
18:19<jnempu>with class
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18:20<harleqin>hi. how can i request that an updated deb-package of a specific program is being made? I'd like to install gnuplot 4.2, but only a package of gnuplot 4.0 exists.
18:21<chealer>harleqin: it's already made.
18:21<chealer>jnempu: what do you mean by an agent?
18:22<jnempu>software agent
18:22<harleqin>chealer: any search I use on the debian pages only turns up the 4.0 version.
18:23<harleqin>chealer: oh, you mean the request is made
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18:23<harleqin>chealer: where can i see that the request is made?
18:23<Billy>When I'm trying to install php 5.2.5, it says something about libxml2 missing. I've tried apt-get install libxml2 and apt-get upgrade, can someone tell me what the pkg name is (or what I need to install)?
18:23<ashuang>is cdbs the recommended way of creating debian/rules files now?
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18:24<jnempu>chealer did you know how to make a software agent in c++ or u know a web page
18:25<chealer>harleqin: no, I mean the package is made.
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18:26<chealer>jnempu: what does this have to do with Debian?
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18:28<chealer>Billy: what does it say?
18:28<harleqin>chealer: oups. the search seems to ignore the testing distribution. i found it by "hand". thanks for your help
18:28<Billy>checking for xml2-config path...
18:28<Billy>configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation.
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18:28<chealer>Billy: I suppose you need to install libxml2-dev
18:29<Billy>ah thanks i will try that
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18:31<ashuang>when updating a package, is there a good place to look for deprecated policies? e.g. I get a lintian substvar-source-version-is-deprecated message, but don't know what I should do instead of ${Source-Version}
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18:39<dpkg>one warez list being sent to zacs70
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18:41<bojar>hallo ist das ein deutscher irc chat?
18:43<bojar>ist hier keiner?
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18:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
18:43<Supaplex>!tell knoppix_ -about knoppix
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18:44<Guest839>any one from gb
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18:45<Supaplex>Guest839: why?
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18:45<Guest839>hello any one
18:45<Billy>What's the package name for OpenSSL? I've tried apt-get install openssl and php still returned this error: configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h>
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18:46<gsimmons>Billy: It's 'libssl-dev'.
18:46<gsimmons>!tell Billy -about search
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18:48<Billy>Okay thanks. And that's a weird command for a bot, but, again thanks.
18:50<Supaplex>it works :)
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19:17<antinullaptop>whats up everyone?
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19:27<KazikluBey>So, I set my laptop to boot from a USB-stick and tried using the businesscard CD image to install Debian but booted straight to GRUB. Do I need to use a USB-specific installer? The download site links to a download mirror that is supposed to contain an image for USB-sticks but I'm not sure which one that is.
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19:30<twb>From my limited understanding, I think you need a specific usb installer.
19:30<twb>You might be able to get away with BBC if it has the necessary drivers on it.
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19:33<twb>KazikluBey: ask #debian-boot, maybe.
19:33<KazikluBey>Oh, thanks.
19:35<KazikluBey>Actually, nevermind. I read all the documentation except the one that said: "If you read only one document before installing, read our Installation Howto" - it answered my question. ^^
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19:35<res>question, i just installed poker-web package from synaptic, being a newbie, i dont know how to run it, is there an easy way of getting new installs to show up on the applications menu ?
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19:39<flub>res: i assume you mean the gnome menu? apps (upstreem) need to ship with a .desktop file for that, if they do they show up immediately
19:40<res>flub, yes, im running lenny/gnome
19:40<flub>if not you could use alacarte or so to edit the menu and add it, or to show the debian menu which should be more complete as it's policy mandated
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19:40<flub>so if you don't see it try alacarte (you may have to install it)
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19:41<antinullaptop>forsome reason i cant put linux on my laptop
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19:41<antinullaptop>it locks up stupid p2 processor lol
19:42<res>flub, more question, to help in finding the executable.......where do programs get installed to ? is there a default directory ?
19:43<res>flub is gone...
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19:44<azeem>res: /msg dpkg fhs
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19:44<res>azeem, thanks
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19:55<Spengo>only one op? :o
19:55<azeem>debhelper is a bot
19:55<Spengo>ya I figured
19:56<Spengo>still, you must admit this is an oddity on IRC, especially in a channel of this size
19:56<Supaplex>not on a services enabled network
19:56<Supaplex>!literal CMD: ops (.*?)
19:56<dpkg>"cmd: ops (.*?)" is "($problem): <reply>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: $nick complains about: $problem"
19:56<azeem>Spengo: do you have a Debian question?
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19:56<azeem>Supaplex: thanks for that
19:57<antinullaptop>hello again]]
19:57<Supaplex>yea, I count more than one op there. :)
19:57<Spengo>I did
19:57<Spengo>but then I figured it out
19:57<Spengo>but I might have more
19:57<azeem>Supaplex: please don't abuse ops highlight
19:57[~]weasel hits Supaplex with a big, heavy lart.
19:57<crimson>Has anyone ever experienced a problem wherein you're stuck in 640*480 res. on installing a fresh copy of Debian
19:58<antinullaptop>do you have a kvm?
19:58<crimson>The last time I installed it, it didn't happen
19:58<crimson>But it did this time ~_~
19:58<antinullaptop>and when installing did you make sure to not turn the moitor off or disconnect it at all?
19:58<Supaplex>azeem: ok. atleast I didn't trigger the factoid :) won't happen again.
19:59<antinullaptop>try installing again and pay attention to the last few options after the software installs you have to select what video modes to allow
19:59<crimson>Yay, another hour to waste D:
19:59<azeem>Supaplex: people who are low-threshold ops will only so often tolerate being highlighted for naught until they ignore the ops command or
19:59<azeem>just leave
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19:59<azeem>crimson: or reconfigure xserver-xorg
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20:00<weasel>and others who are real ops will just get rid of the abuser after so many times, even if that particular person is a first-time-offender.
20:00<Spengo>okee I have a question
20:00<Spengo>does the first installer DVD have a GUI?
20:00<crimson>My graphics card is an ATI Radeo XPress 200
20:00<azeem>weasel: eh
20:00<Spengo>installing debian to a computer w/out an internet connection atm
20:01<Spengo>or is that just a bad idea anyways
20:01<azeem>Spengo: sure, even the first CD has
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20:02<Spengo>which one?
20:02<azeem>which one of whaTÃt?
20:02<Spengo>gnome, kde, xfce?
20:02<azeem>Spengo: depends which first CD you download, there's a first CD for any of those
20:02<azeem>the regular first CD has Gnome
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20:03<Spengo> this one
20:03<Spengo>or wait, I think I may have r0
20:03<chealer>Spengo: it "has" a GUI, but it's not used by default.
20:03<azeem>Spengo: we're talking about CDs
20:03<azeem>Spengo: obviously the DVD has about everything you could think of
20:04<Spengo>ah ok
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20:04<chealer>Spengo: oh, if you mean a desktop environment, then yes.
20:04<Spengo>how would a linux noob go about installing KDE then
20:04<azeem>from that DVD?
20:05<chealer>!install kde
20:05<dpkg>somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. To install KDE during Debian installation, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt (only possible if KDE packages are actually available, see <i-g> section
20:05<Spengo>apt-cdrom add didn't find any packages
20:05<azeem>Spengo: so you've installed already?
20:06<azeem>and you got Gnome currently?
20:06<Spengo>I have no GUI right now
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20:06<azeem>Spengo: did you deselect the desktop task?
20:06<Spengo>I don't think so
20:06<Spengo>I saw it installing gnome so it is probably installed
20:07<azeem>then what you want is fixing your graphics environment so that the GUI starts
20:07<Spengo>not sure how to launch it though
20:07<azeem>not installing other GUIs
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20:08<Spengo>how do I do that? :/
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20:13<SharkMa-san>is gdm running?
20:14<chealer>dpkg: no, install kde is <reply>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
20:14<dpkg>okay, chealer
20:14<Spengo>I do not know, but I would expect not since I am still in command line
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20:14<chealer>Spengo: please provide X's log.
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20:16<chealer>Spengo: no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:18<Spengo>I don't even see that in there
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20:18<chealer>Spengo: you see a XFree86.log?
20:18<Spengo>I didn't see that either
20:19<chealer>Spengo: is gdm installed?
20:19<Spengo>I thought so
20:19<Spengo>but maybe not
20:20<SharkMa-san>if you're going to use kde, install kdm instead :P
20:20<SharkMa-san>if gdm isn't installed
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20:21<Spengo>crap sorry
20:21<Spengo>yeah I want to install kde
20:21<SharkMa-san>gdm = gnome display manager, kdm = kde display manager
20:21<SharkMa-san>so you might want to go with kdm
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20:22<christoph>a name of a good minimal player for mp3 etc ?
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20:23<chealer>christoph: which X session type do you use?
20:23<christoph>what di you mean? im new to linux.. i use gnome if you mean that
20:24<Spengo>apt-cdrom add didn't find anything though
20:24<chealer>christoph: yeah. sorry, no idea about GNOME.
20:24<Spengo>so how do I install? :o
20:24<SharkMa-san>apt-get install kdm
20:24<SharkMa-san>as root
20:24<SharkMa-san>su -c apt-get install kdm
20:24<SharkMa-san>if I recall correctly
20:24<schmichael>su -c apt-get install gdm
20:24<schmichael>if you're a gnome user
20:25<Spengo>the computer I'm installing to does not have a network connection
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20:25<Spengo>it found it
20:25<Nemoder>christoph: I like using audacious as my mp3 player
20:25<Spengo>no it didn't
20:25<SharkMa-san>if the dvd is in the repository list, it should install from the dvd
20:25<christoph>Nemoder, i test it. thanks
20:25<Spengo>it wants me to change disks
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20:25<_mack_n_jack>hey, anyone know how to modify Grub , MBR's etc? guides?
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20:26<schmichael>_mack_n_jack: depends on what you're trying to do... google works well
20:27<christoph>GREAT... thx Nemoder ! :D
20:27<Spengo>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i286 DVD Binary-1 20070407
20:27<Spengo>is this not the same disk I used to install? O_o
20:27<SharkMa-san>most likely
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20:28<Spengo>why won't it recognize I have it in the drive then
20:28<SharkMa-san>is it mounted?
20:28<Spengo>mebbe not
20:29<SharkMa-san>dunno where you should mount it though... maybe someone here does
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20:30<christoph>where can i link filetypes to programms ( in gnome? )
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20:31<christoph>link the windows option: always open with
20:31<SharkMa-san>at least in gnome you can select open with... with right click
20:32<Spengo>I mounted and now it's workin'
20:32<SharkMa-san>and then select the program and click remember this association
20:32<christoph>ah thanks
20:32<SharkMa-san>in kde*
20:32<SharkMa-san>too tired
20:32<Spengo>I just went "mount" and it automatically stuck it in the /cdrom directory
20:32<Spengo>KDE is being installed
20:33<ridge>i'm looking for an entry to put in my sources.list file, as i don't see "pyscript" as a package when using Synaptic
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20:34<ridge>thank you, SharkMa-san
20:34<SharkMa-san>google is a friend ;)
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20:35<ridge>SharkMa-san: can i use Synaptic to install a package that i download manually?
20:35<Zous>I'm looking for help installing etch on an old world G3
20:35<Spengo>KDE is installed
20:36<SharkMa-san>just use dpkg -i package.deb
20:36<Zous>I seem unable to make a competant boot disk from the floppy images online
20:36<SharkMa-san>or try to update the package list in synaptic and do a new search
20:36<Zous>and when I've used BootX with the initrd.gz from the net-inst cd as a ramdisk, I get a kernel panic
20:38<Spengo>I'm gonna go eat, I'll mess with this later
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20:40<SharkMa-san>ridge: you can also try adding contrib and non-free
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20:40<ridge>thanks, SharkMa-san seems pointless to use Synaptic to install a package when i can do it manually, but i don't know much about synaptic at all
20:40<christoph>how can i change the owner of a folder ( incl. subfolders and files)
20:40<SharkMa-san>man chown
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20:41<Zous>anyone here have experience with etch on an old world powerpc?
20:42<bighornram>Can anyone tell me what package contains the icon / info window in gnome when printing?
20:42<ridge>Shark i think i am looking for the wrong package :) the descriptions of pyscript say that it's a module, i am looking for an editor that i *thought* was called PyScript
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20:44<SharkMa-san>well, you can try searchin editor in synaptic
20:44<SharkMa-san>and adding the kind of editor it is to the search
20:45<SharkMa-san>since it also searches the package descriptions
20:45<ridge>thanks.....will stop asking questions, i need to read :)
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20:48<Zous>I think I figured it out, after 2 days of trying...
20:48<Zous>wish me luck
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21:00<bighornram>does anyone know what package contains the gnome printing que/icon in taskbar? Full install with gnome puts it in but basic install of gnome lacks that feature.
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21:01<snunez>There is something for phpmyadmin as oracle?
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21:44<bandit>Might I ask a queston regarding a crontab problem?
21:44<Solver>not really deb specific, but I don't mind
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21:47<blarson>!tell bandit about ask
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21:50<bandit>sorry new to irc ... pehaps I should go to another channel to acquire the proper editque?
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22:00<bandit>I can't seem to run a very simple shell script (touch /var/test/athena) using crontab ... even though the script runs from a command line, using ful path /usr/bin/touch in the script
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22:01<Jake>I use Gmail for my mail. And Debian is asking me to set up my mail and it is asking for the server
22:01<Jake>What should I put there?
22:01<Solver>bandit: you mean you are calling the script with the full path in crontab?
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22:01<gravity>Jake: You probably just want local delivery
22:02<Jake>What does that mean? and is it through evolution?
22:02<gravity>Jake: I assume you mean exim's config... if it's evolution you're running, I don't know
22:03<gravity>Jake: evolution shouldn't be configured on install though
22:03<gravity>That happens when you actually start evo for the first time
22:03<bandit>I use the full path to the script in crontab and specify the full path to the touch command in the script .... a little bit of research says crontab is seperate env
22:04<Jake>Yea. I have linux up now, and a evolution setup assistant is asking me for mail
22:04<Solver>bandit: exactly. bash does different things if it is a login shall and alo if it is interactive
22:04<gravity>Jake: Ok, that I don't know then
22:04<gravity>Jake: You should probably check gmail's help for how to use imap
22:04<bandit>can you even download mail from gmail to a email client?
22:05<Jake>Yea. actually that was stupid
22:05<Jake>i've fixed it
22:05<gravity>bandit: Yeah, gmail supports pop and imap
22:05<Jake>which web browser do you guys like to use?
22:06<bandit>not sure what you me Solver ... btw how do you address me directly? (ie: red font)
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22:07<Solver>bandit: you mean a private mesg? I prefer to keep discussions on channel
22:07<Solver>bandit: cron will give you output
22:07<Solver>via email for example
22:07<Solver>check what it is saying
22:07<Solver>Jake: still on FF :)
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22:08<Solver>but I took a gazillion years to drop netscape
22:08<gravity>bandit: Just use their name as a prefix. Your irc client can probably complete their name from just the first letters if you hit tab
22:08<detectiveinspekta>Hi, Im getting a 3d desktop but its not compiz
22:09<Solver>I saw a 3D monitor a few months ago
22:09<Solver>it was cool
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22:09<Solver>they even had a helicopter game
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22:10<bandit>where would this cron output be sent to Slover
22:10<dondelelcaro>bandit: to your user by mail
22:11<Solver>unless you redirect output it somewhere cron will mail you
22:11<Solver>cron is helpful like that
22:11<Solver>of course it presumes a working local mail system
22:11<Solver>quite a lot of workstations/home boxes lack this
22:11<bandit>mine does -:)
22:12<Solver>bandit: nice :)
22:12<Solver>bandit: btw once you have your cronjob working, a lot of people redirect stdout &stderr ro /dev/null
22:12<Solver> &> /dev/null
22:13<Solver>only do this with a working cron job if you know you don't want the out put :)
22:13<bandit>sorry my mistake my system does not have a working mail server
22:14<Solver>redirect output to a file
22:14<Solver>&> cronjob.out
22:14<Solver>&> ~/cronjob.out
22:15<dondelelcaro>bandit: if your system doesn't, you should probably fix that first.
22:15<dondelelcaro>bandit: install nullmailer or similar, and configure it to talk to your ISP's SMTP server to send mail to you.
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22:17<Solver>I agree, a working mail system is important
22:17<Solver>to many nix tools presume mail is working
22:17<bandit>can I redirect like this: 31 21 * * * /home/bandit/tmp/titan &>~/cronjob.out
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22:18<bandit>this is good advice I like the null mailer idea
22:19<Solver>personally I use postfix throughout - even if it is overkill sometimes
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22:21<lobo>boenas noite
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22:32<bandit>thank you for your assistance this evening .... wishing one and all a fond farewell
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22:53<Gugla>hey guys whats up
22:54<Gugla>question is it possible w/ debian to resort back to orginal settings... because one day usin debian sound stopped working headphones worked no sound out of speakers. So I upgraded the drivers thinkin that would help. but it didnt.
22:55<Gugla>so now thinking to resort back to what was in the orginal debian package (which i just got about a month ago)
22:55<Gugla>any suggestions.. for sound fix or even resorting back to the drivers that came w/ debian orginal installation.
22:55<Gugla>they were also alsa but older version.
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22:57<Solver>xfs (the filesystem, I mean) rocks!
22:57<LeenuxRawksAll>I have a serious problem when dual booting my alternate os... I keep getting glib_2.4 not found (required by Xauth) errors and would like to know how to fix it
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22:57[~]Solver aways to watch tv
22:59<Gugla>dont know much but if i was a bettin man i would do apt-get glib_2.4 if you can make it to the terminal
22:59<Gugla>just a quess..
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23:00<LeenuxRawksAll>the system boots but I can't run startx or even xconf because when I do, those errors pop up...
23:00<Gugla>it will be like apt-get update or apt-get install somethin of that sorts... i am also new to this.. but just a suggestion.
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23:00<Gugla>so just in the terminal window.. see if apt-get works.. because.. it wont let you start up... the gnome.. if there is some sort of error..
23:01<Gugla>i find linux very picky....
23:01<LeenuxRawksAll>I'm going to try that and I'll be back to report
23:01<LeenuxRawksAll>thanx Gugla
23:01<Gugla>but once it works... never stops.. my laptop been on for like 2 weeks straight w/ restart.. and no problems except sound.
23:01<Gugla>no problem.. i think the more experinced guys... are busy or somethin hope it help.s
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23:09<Gugla>anyone know how to completely remove the alsa- drivers and recompile and re install them?
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