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00:18<gsimmons>niru: There's none, at least wrt MadWifi (no USB devices are supported). See <>.
00:18<niru>gsimmons, what about using ndiswrapper
00:20<gsimmons>niru: Try it and see, but check the ndiswrapper wiki first.
00:21<niru>gsimmons, ok
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01:17<vonnis>hey i have a quastion
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01:18<vonnis>i need a libc6 file but the version i need i can only find under lenny at the debiAN website. but i have etch can i stilll use the lib for lenny?
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01:19<vonnis>can someone please tell me that?
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01:22<vonnis>i need a libc6 file but the version i need i can only find under lenny at the debiAN website. but i have etch can i stilll use the lib for lenny?
01:24<vonnis>cant i use them?
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01:24<chealer_>vonnis: yes, but I suggest explaining your problem.
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01:26<vonnis>i have kismet and it askes for libc6 version 2.6 and i cant find that file for etch only for lenny
01:26<vonnis>etch has only 2.3
01:26<chealer>vonnis: which version of kismet?
01:27<vonnis>i though is it possible that if i change my sources to lenny i could downlpoad and install the lib file
01:28<vonnis> 2007 10 R2
01:28<chealer>vonnis: why don't you use etch's version?
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01:29<vonnis>because i cant find that and this file didnt tell me i could omly use it for lenny
01:30<chealer>vonnis: try a bit more, it should be easy to find.
01:32<vonnis>i will do thx for your advice im going to work now
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02:08<twb>How does `aptitude safe-upgrade' know which packages are safe? I notice it didn't upgrade git-core today, even though it could without any dependency conflicts.
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02:19<chealer>twb: presumably because it couldn't upgrade it without changing the set of installed packages.
02:19<chealer>twb: did you check the manual?
02:19<twb>Nope, not yet.
02:20<chealer>twb: that's likely to be quicker and more helpful than asking here.
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03:07<yang>Do I need to apply special settings if I want to share my printer plugged on a windows machine ? Can i use cupsd for interface if I want to print from a linux machine ?
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03:15<jm_>yang: yeah but cups alone is not enough -- (you can also use lpd method if you have some extra services installed on Windows)
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03:15<jm_>you don't need to create that symlink, Debian does that
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03:32<yang>jm_: so i can avoid installing samba if I choose the lpd protocol
03:33<buffoon_work>hi! is there a possibility to tell the installer that i have a local security mirror? It always download security updates through but i have a apt-proxy
03:33<jm_>yang: well you actually need smbclient, not samba package
03:33<buffoon_work>aren't there bootparams to do that?
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03:40<george>so it won't install the pkgs from the net?
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03:50<buffoon_work>it installs pkgs from the internet, but i don't want to do that since it is slow and i have a internal mirror
03:51<buffoon_work>i'm just searching for a boot param like security-updates=http://ip/foo/bar
03:52<jm_>it most likely means your local versions are lower
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03:54<buffoon_work>it is an apt-proxy, so if theres a newer version that wasn't downloaded yet it downloads it. But i have severel debian pcs in this network so i prefer to download it just once
03:55<buffoon_work>of course i can specify the normal mirror from the internal network, but not the security mirror
03:55<jm_>I fail to understand your problem then
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03:57<buffoon_work>through the debian-installer i can specify the mirror of the internal apt-proxy which works fine. But that does install just the normal packages from there. security updates are fetched through instead of that mirror
03:57<jm_>ahh I see, you're asking specifically about installer
03:59<jm_>d-i apt-setup/services-select multi-select security, volatile
03:59<jm_>#d-i apt-setup/security_host string
03:59<jm_>#d-i apt-setup/volatile_host string
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03:59<jm_>from the docs
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04:01<buffoon_work>oh, could you just tell me for short where you found it? i was serching for it but didn't find it
04:02<jm_>link is here
04:04<buffoon_work>thank you then, i was searching but didn't find it -.-
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04:11<adiamile18>sabes cm se abla con otros contactos??
04:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:12<adiamile18>hello george do you speak spanish?
04:12<george>these messages also need to state they can speak english here
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04:13<joyexel19>hello geoge
04:13<joyexel19>where are you from?
04:13<george>the way they are presently worded (to be -straight- with you), seem to want the non english speakers to leave
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04:14<adiamile18>sorry I dont understand
04:14<adiamile18>yo sy espa?ola
04:14<joyexel19>comment ca va
04:15<adiamile18>jm_ eres espa?ol?
04:15<george>it's ok; the basic deal as far as I'm concerned is this: if you need help you can ask and hear the response here in english... you don't need to leave.
04:15<george>if you're having trouble with english, you still don't need to leave
04:16<george>you'll get help on #debian-es in spanish
04:16<adiamile18>thank you
04:16<george>you['re very welcome
04:17<twb>george: the current message seems fairly clear to me...
04:17<george>so you do want them to leave?
04:17<twb>george: I suppose it would read better as "for help in spanish, join #debian-es"
04:17<twb>george: I don't agree with that reading.
04:18<george>are you a native english speaker?
04:18<twb>I'm a native English speaker. I know only a little Spanish.
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04:19<george>ok... I dunno, it's going to be hard to convey how people would feel if you don't actually -extend- the invitation to stay
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04:20<twb>Shall we look at some of the other !<ISO 639> messages and see if they are an improvement?
04:20<george>some people take an invite being -missing- as opposite of invite
04:20<jm_>george: it says please join, it doesn't say leave ...
04:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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04:21<twb>That's what I would use for the !es entry -- "for help in" not "for more help".
04:21<george>twb: somehow I don't think a message created by an OS coder would be an improvement in that area
04:22<twb>george: I do not write operating systems.
04:22<george>"go to" implies something like mv :)
04:22<george>as opposed to cp :)
04:22<jm_>ok so change it to gosub :P
04:22<george>you see the point I'm trying to make? I'm trying to drop this
04:23<twb>I think I see the point you're trying to make, but I think it's not especially important.
04:23<george>"reember where you are now, get the hell out, go there, then come back if you're invited to return" <-- that's gosub, right? :)
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04:25<twb>george: I don't know. In what language is your `gosub' analogy?
04:25<george>twb: ok, good, since you see my point, the communication is successful to a degree :)
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04:25<twb>I've never used BASICK. I'm familiar with functional, stack oriented and metalinguistic language designs.
04:26<jm_>gosub is the same as function call in say C
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04:26<george>twb: nice, what you describe is much better
04:26<twb>Really? From the name I'd imagine it does not preserve registers.
04:27<twb>Perhaps I'm thinking of coroutines; I've never truly understood those.
04:27<george>I don't think I know what they are at all
04:27<twb>george: I have a little experience in technical writing...
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04:29<george>jm_: I mean you don't have to change them if you don't want to, but it always seemed to me the original purpose of them was to get nonenglish people to go away (and give them a place to go away to)
04:30<george>I'd just ask for an improvement of that stance and reflect it in the messages the bot gives
04:30<yang>jm_: I tried adding the cups printer as socket://, and I disabled the password protected sharing on the windows vista, where the printer is installed
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04:30<george>I'll table my side of this for today
04:31<george>since someone actually wants help now
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04:33<jm_>yang: 9100? that's typically used for jetdirect
04:34<george>or HP printers with net cards
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04:35<yang>jm_: well it works for the other printer on the network, so i thought it will work for this one too
04:35<yang>but it doesnt, its a deskjet printer
04:36<yang>connected over usb to a windows vista
04:36<george>yang: "the other printer on the network" is an hp or a printer connected to a JetDirect prinserver?
04:36<george>that would explain why it works
04:36<jm_>yang: I can't see how that works with it being connected to Windows machine
04:36<yang>george: i think that other one is a self-managed printer with the network card
04:37<yang>so I cannot print to this windows vista connected printer unless I install smbclient on my linux machine?
04:37<george>yang: is it an HP printer?
04:38<yang>the one on windows vista is a hp deskjet 640
04:38<george>yang: why would you be able to print to a windows anything from a linux box without installing a driver that handles the task?
04:38<yang>i mean 840c
04:38<george>ok so now I'm frustrated...
04:39<george>there is basic lack of ability to follow the details here
04:39<george>yang: the WORKING printer, the one where port 9100 WORKS, is what kind of printer?
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04:41<yang>george: its samsung clp510n
04:41<george>ok, interesting... how is it connected? and to what?
04:42<yang>its connected over ethernet and it has an own ip address
04:42<yang>it isnt managed by a windows machine
04:42<jm_>it has jetdirect, we have 550N here
04:43<jm_>yang: that's why it works with socket:9100
04:43<george>ok, so that explains everything
04:43<yang>jm_: you know there are no docs for smbclient
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04:43<jm_>yang: what docs?
04:43<yang> /usr/share/doc/smbclient/...
04:43<jm_>yang: but you don't need to use smbclient for this
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04:44<george>yang: there is an o'reilly book called "using samba" which I believe is available somehow over the net
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04:44<jm_>just add it to CUPS like this: smb://user:pass@workgroup/server/sharename
04:44<george>it's supposed to be really good
04:44<jm_>user, pass and workgroup are optional
04:44<yang>what would be the sharename ?
04:45<george>name of the printer?
04:45<yang>in Windows its called "HP Deskjet"
04:45<george>maybe that's it
04:46<yang>I have disabled the sharing with passwords
04:46<yang>on windows vista
04:46<jm_>yang: smbclient -L hostname
04:46<george>disabled it?
04:47<george>is there a reason the printer couldn't be moved to a linux box that stays running most or all the time?
04:48<yang>george: eh...We only have one computer in that room and it runs windows vista
04:48<jm_>so use HP DeskJet then
04:48<george>HP DeskJet 840C841C842C843C?
04:49<yang>smb://WORKSPACE/ DeskJet 840C841C842C843C
04:50<yang>or user:pass are my passwords when I log into windows vista
04:50<yang>i could add those before
04:51<jm_>without 840C841C842C843C I think
04:51<jm_>ahh no sorry, with it yes
04:51<yang>i can leave spaces?
04:51<jm_>try it, otherwise maybe changing them to %20 might help
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04:57<yang>jm_: thanks a bunch !
04:57<yang>smae for you george
04:58<george>oh, thanks, and you're welcome... hope some of that helped :)
04:59<george>did that work?
04:59<vonnis>vonnis@vonnis:~$ apt-cache search kismet
04:59<vonnis>kismet - Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool
04:59<vonnis>W: Duplicate sources.list entry etch/main Packages (/va r/lib/apt/lists/
04:59<george>great :)
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05:00<vonnis>ow soor it aotomaticALLY SEnds if i paste here
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05:00<vonnis>i just wanted to say how long it was
05:01<vonnis>i wanted to ask what this means
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05:01<george>how else to explain "Duplicate sources.list entry"?
05:02<yang>splix are the required drivers for samsung printers?
05:02<vonnis>what does that mean?
05:02<george>you have a file /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:03<george>there is an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:03<george>which is duplicated in /etc/apt/sources.list
05:03<vonnis>you mean i have two exact the same urls?
05:03<vonnis>in sources.list?
05:04<george>take a look and see
05:05<vonnis>one is whit non free at the end the other whitout, i dont know the functionality of that
05:06<jm_>several sections can be specified for one URL: main contrib non-free
05:06<george>they both have main?
05:06<jm_>no need to have separate entries for that (does that even work?)
05:06<george>jm_: not only does it work, it has an advantage
05:06<jm_>george: parallel download?
05:07<jm_>george: why would it warn then?
05:07<vonnis>one is etch main non free contrib the other is only etch main
05:07<george>get rid of the whole line that says etch main
05:07<george>run the apt-get update
05:07<george>and then you should be ok
05:08<george>jm_: it just doesn't work with identical sections
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05:08<jm_>george: ahh so it compares everything, not just host, that makes sense
05:09<ne>dear all! using debian-etch. I need a program to draw some schematics of an experimental setup. could you suggest a package for that ? thanks
05:09[~]george is not a deer! but if you want you can gimme a buck!
05:09<vonnis>i deleted that line, but whats the difference if i typ non free contrib
05:10<jm_>ne: sure
05:10<george>those give you non-free software
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05:10<george>there's that spicecad thing
05:10<jm_>dia or xfig
05:10<vonnis>but can i still get free software then
05:10<george>I don't think that
05:10<george>is packaged
05:10<jm_>if I understand you correctly
05:10<george>vonnis: yes IF you keep main
05:11<yang>one last question. How could I print a file from the command line to a printer defined as "HP Deskjet 840" ?
05:11<jm_>yang: lp
05:11<vonnis>can i also get lenny files? for etch
05:11<george>not recommended
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05:12<george>either just use etch stuff, use stuff from or back port em yourself
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05:14<vonnis>now i get an error when i do apt-get update
05:14<george>vonnis: having said that you can go to lenny if you wanted
05:14<vonnis>E: Kon vergrendeling /var/lib/apt/lists/lock niet verkrijgen - open (11 Bron tijdelijk onbeschikbaar)
05:14<vonnis>E: Kon de lijst-map niet vergrendelen
05:14<vonnis>it was only a quastion
05:15<george>I suspected that :)
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05:15<george>vonnis: until you change your mind, you should stick with etch for awhile while you learn stuff
05:15<vonnis>i will do
05:15<george>if you start feeling adventurous...
05:16<vonnis>i just got an error when doing apt-get update
05:16<george>but I'd back up first :)
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05:16<george>I saw but I can't read german
05:16<jm_>it's dutch :)
05:16<vonnis>i will translate
05:17<george>oh :) toldja I couln't read german :)
05:17<george>ok, nite all
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05:18<vonnis>E couldnt get (lock) /var/lib/apt/lists/lock open source 11 temporary not availble
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05:22<vonnis>i get an error when i do apt-get update
05:22<vonnis>E: couldnt get (lock) /var/lib/apt/lists/lock open, source 11 temporary not availble
05:22<vonnis>does anyone know what to do
05:23<vonnis>E:couldnt lock the list-map
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05:24<jm_>are you running it as root?
05:25<lupine>any other apt instances running?
05:25<lupine>and is there any space on the disc?
05:25<vonnis>enough space for sure
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05:26<lupine>if there aren't any apt processes running, then removing the file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock should get rid of the error message. If there are, then doing so will most likely corrupt your apt database
05:26<vonnis>i have only running kirc and konqurer
05:27<vonnis>maybe i try i restart first
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05:31<User2005>anybody know anything about kernel manipulation ?
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05:35<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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05:37<User2005>work for me...
05:37<User2005>works for me...
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05:59<dpkg>popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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06:07<Kebianizao>I'm using pata ide sata emulation, so when I had /dev/hda I now have /dev/sda
06:08<jm_>it's not emulation, it's pata drivers using libata
06:09<Kebianizao>ah, ok
06:09<Kebianizao>so pata drivers are still there
06:09<jm_>yeah you can still use the old drivers
06:09<Kebianizao>well, I have no problem with that, but since I'm on a laptop I used to do hotswap to detect and be able to use a removable cdrom driver
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06:10<Kebianizao>if I plugged this cd on booting it was detected as hdc and I used hotswap to get it connected or disconnected without having to reboot
06:10<Kebianizao>but now hotswap is not working any more
06:10<Kebianizao>:S and this is the problem
06:11<jm_>do you see anything in dmesg when you connect it?
06:11<Kebianizao>jm_: nope :S
06:12<Kebianizao>maybe I need to load some module
06:12<Kebianizao> this is ma lsmod
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06:14<jm_>have you tried using sg_scan?
06:14<Kebianizao>yep, I had some results when doing /dev/sda
06:15<Kebianizao>but I don't know where to point otherwise
06:15<Kebianizao>sg_scan without parameters doesn't throw anything
06:16<Kebianizao>also I tried loading ide-generic (the lsmod is post ide-generic loading) with this dmesg output:
06:18<Kebianizao>moreover libata is supposed to support hotswap, but I think it's more an ide problem
06:18<Kebianizao>I'm a little lost really
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06:20<jm_>Kebianizao: yeah but SATA is clear about that - it is hot-plugabble, IDE generally isn't, so that's where the problem might be
06:20<Kebianizao>:/ so you think ide drivers don't support that yet?
06:21<jm_>to be honest I have no idea, and it's not clear form various descriptions, probably best ask on lkml or linux-ide list
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06:21<Kebianizao>I mean if they are ide drivers that are using libata, hotswapping should have being done by ide drivers
06:21<Kebianizao>jm_: ok, lotta thanks ;)
06:22<Kebianizao>BTW do you think ide drivers with libata are more performant than regular ide-pata mode?
06:22<jm_>Kebianizao: yeah but that would mean PATA drivers using libata, and who knows how this is done in hardware (i.e. are they notified at all?)
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06:22<jm_>I am still using the old PATA drivers where I need them :)
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06:25<Kebianizao>I think I'll write linux-ide
06:26<Kebianizao>leaving now, thanks again
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06:30<white-rabbit>Buon dì
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06:35<xayon>I've coded a perl cgi script and now I want to work with sessions... but I'm not very kind of oo so I've done it in non objet oriented way, I'm reading cgi::session module and seems it uses oo, Isnt there any way to work with cgi::session and not oo (for example, creating a new session and save_param asks for the cgi objet)
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06:41<jm_>xayon: if you mean CGI then it has function-oriented mode too
06:42<jm_>better ask in #perl anyway
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06:54<xayon>jm_ tought I was in perl, sorry, and yes, I mean cgi, and I know it has function-oriented mode because I've used it for my script, that's the problem, I don't know how and if I can use it with cgi::session
06:55<xayon>Anyway going to perl ;) thanks for the advice
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07:01<xayon>jm_ well, I've finally used cgi module in oo way
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07:17[~]twb points at and grumbles about CGI silliness
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07:18<steve_>new to debian and chat
07:19<steve_>Do I have to register?
07:19<Ikarus>no requirement
07:19<twb>steve_: nope.
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07:19<twb>steve_: on Freenode, only registered users can /msg other users, generally.
07:19<steve_>have a problem with openmcu
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07:19<steve_>get a phase jitter problem
07:20<steve_>any one have this problem and have a work around?
07:20<steve_>Think the problem is with Ekiga
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07:21<jm_>check BTS
07:21<steve_>what is BTS?
07:21<dpkg>from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
07:22<Ikarus>unstable users, are that those who took software activism so far that they have been put in a mental hospital ?
07:23<jm_>I changed that
07:23<steve_>ok I'm thinking what to do
07:24<jm_>Ikarus: funny that you mention it (in relation to steve_'s hostname)
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07:24<jm_>or rather domain name
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07:25<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cinelerra is, but now in marillat's debian-multimedia sid
07:25<pleb2>Can i install cinelerra in etch????
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07:27<irfn>i just installed a clean etch and made a dist-upgrade to lenny. while installation it said i need to restart kdm wdm and xdm manually because a session is running. i used /etc/init.d/gdm restart now after reboot it won't load X. it says loading gdm... and then i get a black screen
07:27<irfn>i didn't install kde, i updated to lenny with gdm
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07:32<oxynet>hey guys, i´m need some help,
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07:32<oxynet>i´m always reciving a message like
07:33<oxynet>printk: 771 messages suppressed.
07:33<oxynet>printk: 927 messages suppressed.
07:33<oxynet>what could be this?
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07:33<jm_>is that all?
07:33<oxynet>many lines with this
07:33<oxynet>sometimes appears to
07:34<oxynet>Softmac: Open Authentication completed with (mac address)
07:34<oxynet>bcm43xx: set security called, .active_key=0, .leve=2, .enabled=1,. encrypt=1.
07:35<oxynet>is the problem with my wireless card?
07:35<jm_>that's printk ratelimiter in action
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07:37<oxynet>what i need to do to stop this?
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07:38<oxynet>if i disable my wireless card, the messages stop
07:39<jm_>you need to find out why it's doing that and probably contact author of the driver
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07:43<oxynet>jm_, but the strange, is that yesterday, the wireless card was working fine, and don´t appears anything wrong
07:43<oxynet>another thing, my gnome, don´t start
07:43<oxynet>when i taped startx, appears a screen only a terminal, not gnome
07:44<jm_>oxynet: yeah it's definitely not normal for it to print as many messages
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07:55<irfn>i just installed a clean etch and made a dist-upgrade to lenny. while installation it said i need to restart kdm wdm and xdm manually because a session is running. i used /etc/init.d/gdm restart now after reboot it won't load X. it says loading gdm... and then i get a black screen
07:56<jm_>irfn: does computer still work when this happens?
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08:01<zren>hi folks, since the last dist-upgrade my alsa has gone mad, it doesn't support more than one channel and sometimes it just freaks out and makes things it shouldn't, has anyone of you experienced the same problems
08:01<zren>I'm using testing
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08:06<vonnis>does anyone know how i can change the language of the konsole? i already changed th language under the control center but i wont change the konsole, i also changed the country to england fron netherlands
08:07<jm_>vonnis: you mean shell?
08:07<vonnis>shell yes
08:07<jm_>export LANG=C
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08:07<jm_>the real answer to your question is "no" though
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08:08<vonnis>it worked thank you
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08:08<vonnis>now i can ask quastions whitout translating then each time from the errors i get in the shell
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08:09<jm_>you can do this even easier: LANG=C command
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08:10<fanto666>is there any program which summarizes numbers from input lines?
08:10<fanto666>(hello, not to forget)
08:11<jm_>that's trivial to do with awk
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08:11<vonnis>why is that easyer?
08:11<jm_>because it only sets it for one command + it's less to type
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08:12<fanto666>yes, awk... I wanted to avoid that
08:12<fanto666>there are dozen of utilities which can be emulated with awk, I'm curious if any does this ;)
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08:14<steve_>Is there a way to update to the latest version of ekiga?
08:15<jm_>try numsum then
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08:16<ilian>tuka ima li jivot we
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08:17<steve_>on the ekiga website there is a newer version of ekiga for debian
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08:18<steve_>can I install this version ?
08:18<padski>steve_: are you root ? ;-)
08:19<steve_>should I log out of root? new to chat and all
08:19<pumpkin0>steve_: no, never chat with root.
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08:20<padski>steve_: sorry, it was a rhetorical question. I cannot recommend chatting on irc from the root account
08:20<pumpkin0>steve_: download the deb-package from the HP, then run "dpkg -i package-you-downloaded".
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08:20<pumpkin0>steve_: download the deb-package from the HP, then run "dpkg -i package-you-downloaded".
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08:21<steve_>take it HP means host provider?
08:22<pumpkin0>steve_: the website (HomePage).
08:22<steve_>thanks for the help. Sorry new to all of this.
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08:24<vonnis>i have a quastion, if i do apt-get update i get an error e
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08:24<vonnis><fanto666> yes, awk... I wanted to avoid that
08:24<vonnis><fanto666> there are dozen of utilities which can be emulated with awk, I'm curious if any does this
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08:24<vonnis>what happened
08:25<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or
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08:27<vonnis>i have a quastion, if i do apt-get update i get this error what should i do
08:28<pumpkin0>!no public key
08:28<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details.
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08:31<jaakko>faheem__: hello, did you ask about python+apache yesterday?
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08:38<Ikarus>2007 key
08:40<vonnis>i installed the debian keyring but i still get the no public key error what should i do?
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08:41<jm_>how did you install it?
08:42<vonnis>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
08:42<jm_>that should work - try apt-get update
08:42<vonnis>i did i get the error when doing apt-get update
08:42<vonnis>thats thre poroblem
08:43<jm_>ahh that's for d-m, that key is in a different package
08:43<jm_>it's on d-m site in the FAQ
08:43<vonnis>d-m ?
08:44<vonnis>whats that?
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08:46<vonnis>it says i have to ignore the warnings
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08:47<jm_>who says that?
08:47<vonnis>the debian multimedia website
08:47<vonnis>read it its on the front page
08:47<vonnis>but that would mean everybody gets this error right
08:48<vonnis>when doing apt-get update whit debian-multimedia as source
08:48<vonnis>or am i completely wrong
08:48<jm_>no it doesn't
08:48<jm_>go here and read the first entry:
08:49<fanto666>when I installed debian from ISO image on USB stick, can I some somehow install packages from the stick, without mounting it manually each time?
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08:52<jaakko>fanto666: you have installed debian on hdd, and want to automount the usb?
08:53<vonnis>jm i love you
08:53<vonnis>th yuo th you
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08:54<vonnis>i mean it worked
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08:56<jaakko>fanto666: in gnome you have option to mount usb or other media automatically.
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08:59<fanto666>jaakko: I don't have gnome, maybe I should install usbmount... but can apt-cdrom accept the iso image as CDROM?
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09:03<steve_>went to ekiga Home Page and downloaded latest version of Ekiga along with other supporting files. Get dependancy errors. Would have thought with Debian this would have been worked out. What do I have to do from here?
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09:03<steve_>used the dpkg -i file name command
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09:04<jm_>steve_: first of all those are not official packages, second - how did you install those?
09:04<jaakko>fanto666: can you copy that iso image on hdd and then add it to fstab? It would be mounted every time you boot.
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09:05<fanto666>jaakko: that would kinda break the meaning of usb stick :)
09:07<jaakko>fanto666: that apt-cdrom is only editing sources.list, I think. What is the meaning of the usb? Sorry, but I just don't understand...
09:07<steve_>I used epiphany as the web browser to down load. Created a down load folder on the Desktop
09:08<jaakko>fanto666: add a script launcher on desktop, which mounts the usb?
09:08<steve_>went into to terminal mode and at the prompt typed in dpkg -i filename
09:08<fanto666>jaakko: I installed it all from the usb stick and have expected that it will continue even after reboot...
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09:08<fanto666>jaakko: usbmount mounts the stick automatically after injection
09:09<fanto666>(I haven't tried that on etch yet)
09:09<steve_>problem that I'm having is I get a jitter error prompt when I connect to openmcu with current version of ekiga
09:09<jm_>try dpkg -i *.deb
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09:11<jaakko>steve_: You should also install the dependencies, "aptitude install ekiga" or something like
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09:12<jaakko>steve_: dpkg -i *.deb does not install dependencies
09:12<vonnis>i love you all
09:12<vonnis>thx to you i installed kismet
09:13<steve_>tried dpkg -i *.dep and didn't work
09:13<jm_>I didn't say *.dep
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09:14<steve_>sorry typo I'll try it again
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09:15<WildKid>I'm stumped I don't know what package to choose
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09:15<WildKid>Should I use libXfont for xfs???
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09:16<WildKid>xfstt or libXft [FreeType]?
09:16<WildKid>Should I use libXfont or xfs???
09:17<victor>the pidgin-2.2.2 folder contains Makefile.mingw, which one should be the real makefile?
09:17<steve_>when I try dpkg -i *.deb I get the same dependency error. Looks like:
09:17<steve_>Errors were encountered while processing:
09:17<steve_> libopal-2.2_2.2.11~dfsg1-2~sid~ekiga.4583_amd64.deb
09:17<steve_> libopal-2.2-ptrace_2.2.11~dfsg1-2~sid~ekiga.4583_amd64.deb
09:17<steve_> libpt-1.10.10-ptrace_1.10.10-2~sid~ekiga.4575_amd64.deb
09:17<steve_> ekiga
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09:18<jm_>victor: neither of those
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09:18<victor>jm: then where should the makefile be?
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09:18<jm_>victor: did you run configure?
09:18<azeem>victor: did you read INSTALL?
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09:19<victor>jm: yeah.
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09:19<jm_>victor: and it finished normally?
09:20<steve_>tried to use the dpkg -i *.deb and still get dependancy errors
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09:20<victor>jm: i think so, it doesn't show any error message.
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09:21<jaakko>steve_: it is normal to get those errors, but you have to install the dependencies also
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09:21<ragett>did someone has a problem with resolution with NVIDIA gpu on Debian?
09:22<steve_>jaakko: you mentioned "aptitude install ekiga" will this work?
09:22<jaakko>steve_: if that is only version of ekiga installed, try "aptitude update && aptitude install ekiga"
09:22<jm_>victor: it normally says creating Makefile or somesuch
09:22<ragett>in Xorg.0.log there's no errors, problem occoured after xorg update
09:22<jaakko>steve_: or you can download those mentioned dependencies from debian(if they are there) and then dpkg -i them
09:23<ragett>i tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't help
09:23<victor>jm: i'll do it again and see.
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09:24<Holborn>ragett: try with Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
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09:24<ragett>in device or screen section?
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09:26<ragett>ok, in device, I'll try
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09:26<victor>jm: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
09:27<victor>jm: how come?
09:27<jm_>!b-e victor
09:27<dpkg>victor: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
09:28<Jeffro>Hello I got this problem with installing openttd on debian error:
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09:29<Jeffro>Anyone know a possible solution
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09:31<victor>jm: it seems !b-e doesn't not produce anything. : ), did you mean what dpkg has said?
09:32<jm_>victor: yes, follow dpkg's instructions
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09:33<victor>jm: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
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09:33<jm_>victor: who says that?
09:33<jm_>you mean configure script?
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09:33<victor>jm: yeah. configure.
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09:33<jm_>victor: install libxml-parser-perl
09:34<ragett>Helborn: It works, I've got correct resolution, but now, when I am trying to lunch glxgears i got this:
09:34<ragett>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
09:34<ragett>Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
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09:37<victor>dpkg: configure: error:The msgfmt command is required to build libpurple. If it is installed on your system, ensure that it is in your path. If it is not, installGNU gettext to continue.
09:37<dpkg>that's too long, victor
09:37<victor>is dpkg a robot?
09:37<Holborn>ragett: maybe the solution is link to in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions
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09:44<victor>What is Glib, and how do i install it on debian?
09:44<ragett>this option didn't help
09:44<ragett>I still get it:
09:44<ragett>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
09:44<ragett>Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
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09:47<Holborn>ragett: paste /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ in some place please ...
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09:48<ragett>it's working, I didn't know that xserver loads Composites
09:48<ragett>I put this:
09:48<ragett>Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
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09:49<ragett>and everything's ok
09:49<ragett>Holborn: thank you for the help
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10:08<krgn>hi all
10:09<krgn>does anyone have some good documentation on how to make .deb's with scons?
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10:09<krgn>I found this but maybe there is something more 'official'
10:09<padski>google deb scons
10:10<padski>ah! you did that already then :-)
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10:10<krgn>padski: hehee, yep
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10:11<baiwenjia>I am a newbie, I do not know how to use IRC.
10:11<krgn>baiwenjia: you have successfully used it :)
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10:12<baiwenjia>Thanks, krgn. But how can I read the topic? Is there any topic today? This is my first day here.
10:13<krgn>baiwenjia: oh, that depends on your client
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10:13<baiwenjia>I am using Pidgin (Gaim) now.
10:13<krgn>ah.. dunno
10:13<krgn>baiwenjia: I post it in private if you like
10:14<baiwenjia>Yes, that would be great.
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10:23<andreas>kann mir jemand vllt. helfen?
10:23<andreas>habe ein kleines problem mit den real player
10:23<andreas>kann den nicht mit apt-get install installieren
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10:24[~]weasel wonders if there's anything else that you could do wrong
10:25<krgn>andreas: was gibt dir denn apt-cache search realplay
10:25<munga>andreas: this is an english speaking channel. you might want to try on if you want to speak german.
10:26<andreas>ohh sorry
10:26<andreas>where can i join in a german channel?
10:26<andreas>do you know it?
10:27<weasel>he even told you.
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10:27<krgn>andreas: hmm, not me.. but should be easy to find :)
10:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:33<krgn>hi richard
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10:40<artur>Hi All
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10:41<artur>Just reinstalled my Etch, have problems starting up Iceweasel. It seems like it starts up but after a few seconds nothing happens.. Any clue, anybody please?
10:42<munga>artur: try to move your .mozilla directory away and restart iceweasel with a clean profile ...
10:43<Eulex>artur, also, starting it from a terminal might give you more info about what really goes wrong.
10:45<artur>just did whereis iceaweasel... it sits where it's supposed.. did aptitude remove --purge, then reinstalled again... just noticed same problem's with Evolution... I did nothing wrong, just did a clean install... man, I spent the whole last night on my slow connection installing all the updates and codecs...
10:45<krgn>artur: did you re-create the same username?
10:45<krgn>when you installed again?
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10:47<artur>krgn: what username do you mean? my system username, or my profile in iceweasel. if the latter, the funny thing is, I did a clean reinstall (formatting the partitions), and I have not yet been able to see an iceweasel instance load, so I can't really be sure whether my profile (in iceweasel) has been created....
10:49<krgn>artur: ah ok.. I was assuming you might have your home on some other partition safe. that could lead to problems when re-installing, if all your files are 'from' a different user.. but now that I think about it, what I said is bollocks :-)
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10:50<krgn>artur: I'd stick to the others recommendation (using a terminal to start it.. etc)
10:50<artur>Eulex, when I start it from terminal I get this: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. Xlib: No protocol specified. what could that mean?
10:51<Eulex>artur, what user are you logged into the terminal as?
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10:52<artur>then I was root. now I tried it as normal user, and got this: glibc detected *** double free or corruptoin (fasttop): 0x08f29588
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10:53<Eulex>artur, did you try munga's suggestion?
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10:54<Eulex>what version of iceweasel and debian do you have?
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10:55<artur>debian is Etch, iceweasel is from stable repository... nothing fancy
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10:57<Eulex>artur, well, my question was meant so you'd actually check what version you have.
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11:05<artur>Eulex, sorry not sure understood your question. Etch is 4.0 (no?), iceweasel (as I remember it) was
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11:06<Eulex>artur, is the newest in etch/updates, is the newest in pure etch. make sure you have one of those versions on the iceweasel package.
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11:06<Eulex>anyway, I'm off, bbl
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11:09<artur>gotta reboot. bye and thanks
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11:50<mildner>good evening....please how can I repair Iceape (lenny amd64)
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11:51<donfede>anyone know why wxwidgets2.8 is not yet in unstable?
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11:53<mildner>is there a german help for debian
11:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:53<aricz>Hi, do anyone know if rTorrent supports DHT?
11:54<aricz>is the debian package for rTorrent patched with support for DHT? :]
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11:58<chealer>mildner: what do you mean by "repair Iceape"?
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12:00<mildner>chealer: I tried to make youtube running (flashplayer) and installed something what makes iceape refuse to start
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12:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a good RSS-based news ticker for Debian? In gdesklets perhaps?
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12:51<cahoot>apt-cache search rss?
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12:52<fxiny>never found a news ticker
12:52<cahoot>new stickler?
12:52<fxiny>i use snownews and rawdog
12:53<EmleyMoor>I notice appears to have gone
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12:54<fxiny>or a trivial pl >> use XML::RSS; use LWP::Simple;
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12:55<fxiny>well , not really trivial :P
12:55<EmleyMoor>I'm after something that does "scroll-past" with clicking to go to the full article, really, but I will look into those suggestions
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12:56<fxiny>a ticker/scroll past would be nice , never found one
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12:58<fxiny>a 1337 one would be a ticker sitting in a screen status line :)))
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13:05<fxiny>my home made news reader is a perl script run by cron and feeded to webdiff to hilight what changed last . a pretty fankenstein job :P
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13:09<hriday>hi, i am customizing a new keyboard layout by including some new characters. i amusing xorg and debian etc, the problem is i could not change the layout
13:09<hriday>i mean the change does not appear
13:10<hriday>i went to /etc/x11/xkb/symbols and then the file
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13:13<tresko22rrrre333>sorry, wrong channel! But where are
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13:14<tresko22rrrre333>debian+moodle=loveicon btw :)
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13:18<eldowan>Lately my KDE has been misbehaving, and I don't know where to start looking. I'm on lenny. Starting late last week when I log into kde, the desktop does not show, and xscreensaver starts every 2 or 3 minutes. After about 5 minutes the desktop actually loads, and everything goes to working. However xscreensaver keeps starting. Sometimes when I log in, everything works as it should. If I rename .kde to another name and get a new profile, it all works fine. I'd
13:18<eldowan>loose my settings and any help would be greatly appreciated.
13:21<EmleyMoor>How do I acutally get feeds for the weather desklets?
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13:21<tresko22rrrre333>wow, lenny?
13:21<eldowan>tresko22rrrre333: yes, is that odd?
13:21<tresko22rrrre333>should not be any upgrades making the err
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13:22<eldowan>I haven't upgraded in a month or so, and this started happening last week.
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13:23<fxiny>usually the first thing to start with is : mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old , log out/in
13:24<eldowan>fxiny: tried, and it works lovely
13:24<eldowan>fxiny: I think its something in my .kde directory, but I haven't the faintest idea where to look
13:24<eldowan>when I move the .kde to another directory, and create another profile, it all works wonderfuly
13:25<fxiny>eldowan: start cping back a dir/config at the time ?
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13:26<fxiny>maybe 50% of the awful lot just to get closer quickly :)
13:26<angel>linux noob here.
13:27<graytron>angel: what gave me away?
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13:28<silent>does anyone know how to mount ntfs-3g in fstab giving users permission to mount? 'users' isn't working
13:28<eldowan>silent: have you tried 'user'
13:29<eldowan>silent: without the trailing s?
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13:30<silent>eldowan, no
13:30<silent>eldowan, I shall
13:30<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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13:31<angel>grayton:lol, no man. i am the noob! lol
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13:31<silent>eldowan, permission ednied
13:31<fxiny>use sudo
13:31<angel>got my brnad new linux box and i ma loving the wealth of free apps! "I'M RICH BIOTCH!"
13:32<silent>does anyone know how to mount ntfs-3g in fstab giving users permission to mount? 'users' isn't working
13:32<silent>ergh sry
13:32<silent>UUID=791F09DC27F6580D /win ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,user,umask=777,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1
13:32<silent>there it is
13:32<graytron>angel: *phew* got still my cover then
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13:32<silent>everyone can rwx
13:33<eldowan>silent: umask is the opposite as you would expect. try 000
13:33<silent>is that not allowed for ntfs?
13:33<cahoot>not really
13:33<eldowan>silent: umask of 777 means noone has rights, IIRC
13:33<eldowan>umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x.
13:33<cahoot>but true
13:34<silent>I thought it was... 421/421/421
13:34<cahoot>umask is what you deduct from 777
13:34<silent>k, I'll see what 000 does
13:34<eldowan>silent: for regular permissions, umask is like a reverse mirror, like cahoot says
13:35<silent>tho it wont let me mount in the first place, or would umask affect that?
13:35<fxiny> a user can't mount
13:35<cahoot>silent: I wonder if you should remove the 'defaults' part
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13:35<silent>permission denied with umask=002
13:35<silent>err 007*
13:35<fxiny>use sudo (partII) ;)
13:36<silent>I dont want to sudo nautilus and I'm not running as root, that's just retarded
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13:36<fxiny>i don't like sudo
13:36<eldowan>fxiny: should he be using defaults along with other defined options?
13:36<eldowan>doesn't defaults include nouser?
13:36<cahoot>I might be wrong - but - how about the perms on the mount point?
13:37<eldowan>cahoot: mount point perms change with the mount IIRC
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13:37<eldowan>silent: try taking defaults out of the line, see what ahppens.
13:37<silent>permission denied
13:37<graytron>eldowan: shouldn't matter
13:38<silent>should I make the last argument 0 or is it supposed to be 1?
13:38<eldowan>graytron: got you
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13:38<silent>current fstab line:
13:38<silent>UUID=791F09DC27F6580D /win ntfs-3g locale=en_US.utf8,user,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1
13:38<eldowan>silent: are you sure the UUID is right? have you tried mounting w/ the /dev/<devid>? have you tried a manual mount on the command line?
13:38<silent>it has mounted before with that uuid
13:38<silent>and mounts as root
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13:39<silent>I'll try the /dev
13:39<silent>but it links properly
13:39<angel>where can i find a good irc cheat sheet
13:40<eldowan>angel: what do you mean/
13:40<silent>Error opening partition device: Permission denied
13:40<silent>Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Permission denied
13:40<angel>list of most used commands
13:40<silent>it tries to mount the right partition with that uuid
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13:41<fxiny>eldowan: try this one as root : mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdaxxx /mount/point -o umask=0,nls=utf8
13:41<angel>eldowan: list of most usd commands, syntax and description
13:41<eldowan>silent: ^
13:41<angel>actio scratches head
13:41<eldowan>angel: wouldn't know.
13:41<angel>action scratches head
13:42<silent>fxiny, mounted
13:42<silent>and I have user access
13:42<silent>hwo would I implement this in fstab?
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13:43<silent>I'll try using just those options
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13:43<eldowan> UUID=791F09DC27F6580D /win ntfs-3g nls=utf8,user,umask=0,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
13:43<eldowan>silent: ^^?
13:43<angel>damn it ! what is the command to go to a diffrent server!
13:44<silent>is the uid/gid necessary, wont that just give me symbolic ownership over the files?
13:44<silent>since I cant actually change file ownership in ntfs
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13:44<eldowan>silent: not sure about the gid/uid
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13:46<graytron>silent: what is the error when a user tries to mount the device?
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13:47<silent>Error opening partition device: Permission denied
13:47<silent>Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Permission denied
13:47<graytron>silent: ls -l /bin/mount ?
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13:48<eldowan>silent: this is the autogen fstab entry from a knoppix load on a windows drive: /dev/hda1 /mount/point ntfs noauto,users,exec,umask=000,uid=knoppix,gid=knoppix 0 0
13:48<silent>root root
13:48<amphi>angel: /connect blah
13:49<graytron>silent: try with "noauto" option, though it shouldn't matter
13:49<silent>I dont think that will give me write access though, I'm fairly certain I need ntfs-3g
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13:50<silent>no permission
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13:51<donfede>chealer: thanks for the link... I had searched packages for libwxgtk2.8 and wxwidgets2.8, but did not dig through the bug database. interesting read... sounds like a mess unfortunately :(
13:53<silent>graytron, UUID=791F09DC27F6580D /win ntfs-3g nls=utf8,users,noauto,exec,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
13:53<silent> doesnt work
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13:54<silent>Error opening partition device: Permission denied
13:54<silent>Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Permission denied
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13:55<sooperkuh>silent: you were told to write "user" not "users"
13:56<sooperkuh>without the "s"
13:56<cahoot>what would that change?
13:56<sooperkuh>should it not be without "s"? i always thought so
13:57<sooperkuh>but if you say it works both ways, i will surely beleive you ; )
13:57<cahoot>both are valid but with different implications
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13:58<sooperkuh>hm .. consulting fstab manpage, so I don't make myself even more a fool ; )
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14:02<sooperkuh>cahoot: thanks for correcting, you learn something new every day ; )
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14:03<graytron>silent: and there is uid/gid 1000 ?
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14:04<graytron>silent: most probable there is. weird problem you have. seems like mount can't access the partition/drive as regular user, while it works as root?
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14:09<silent>I'll test with my smb mount
14:09<silent>I'm fairly certain mount isn't the problem
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14:10<silent>graytron, mount works fine
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14:11<graytron>silent: except with ntfs-3g :)
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14:11<silent>Can non-root users mount block devices?
14:11<silent>Why don't the 'user' and 'users' options work in /etc/fstab?
14:11<silent>Why do I get "fusermount: option blkdev is privileged" error?
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14:11|-|silent kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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14:11<silent>Responder Con Cita
14:11<valdyn>silent: reflect the fuse faq
14:11<valdyn>silent: err, "read"
14:12<berto>un cliente de correo que se maneja via irc :-O
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14:12<valdyn>silent: fusermount permissions handling is independent of regular mounts
14:12<graytron>valdyn: i think silent pasted some problems of other people by mistake :)
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14:13<silent>valdyn, I enabled the ability to mount fuse in users and groups though
14:13<valdyn>graytron: possible, just got here
14:13<reflect>where can I get a font package for a gnome terminal so half of the text in BitchX isnt all garbled?
14:13<graytron>valdyn: or maybe not
14:13<valdyn>silent: "user" never works in fstab for a fuse device
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14:14<valdyn>silent: "user" never works in fstab for a fuse mount
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14:14<silent>valdyn, according the the faq, I need to mount as root, so I'll be able to access as a user
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14:15<valdyn>silent: whoever mounts just needs access to /dev/fuse, the mountpoint, the <whatever> that is mounted
14:16<silent>I can chown /devs?
14:16<valdyn>silent: yes, but that's most likely the wrong way
14:17<silent>is there a way to create an init bash script to mount?
14:17<valdyn>silent: chown in /dev does not persist accross reboots if udev is installed
14:17<valdyn>silent: an init script for user mounts is the wrong way
14:18<silent>but it would work
14:18<valdyn>silent: "crontab -e" as your user and add "@reboot <whatever command>"
14:18<silent>it seems fuse is disabling any user mounts, but allows users to access a root-mounted file system
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14:18<silent>which makes no sense to me
14:18<valdyn>silent: me neither
14:19<valdyn>silent: thats probably not what it does..
14:19<valdyn>silent: you want to give the precise command you are using, the precise permission on each involved device / file
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14:19<valdyn>silent: + the error message, naturally
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14:21<graytron>want or need
14:21<silent> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdaxxx /mount/point -o umask=0,nls=utf8 works and can be accessed by users (must be su or sudo)
14:21<silent>sudo mount....
14:22<graytron>silent: ls -ld /dev/hdaxxx /mount/point /dev/fuse
14:22<silent>I'm looking at /win in nautilus as user after a sudo mount
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14:23<reflect>i've got a very basic question here, Is there any way I can create a link on my desktop to a gnome terminal that automates an su login?
14:23<silent>crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-11-21 03:27 /dev/fuse
14:23<silent>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2007-11-21 11:01 /dev/sda1
14:23<silent>drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20480 2007-11-21 11:01 /win
14:23<Nemoder>so is there a better way to set udev permissions than a script on startup? a program I use needs access to /dev/input but the default permissions are for root only
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14:23<eldowan>fxiny: it turns out it was my kdesktoprc file causing the error. Looks like a bad entry was entered into the file. Thanks for the suggestion.
14:24<silent>erm, thats /win mounted, my bad
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14:24<eldowan>silent: did you get your ntfs working?
14:24<silent>drwxrwxr-x 2 silent silent 4096 2007-10-12 22:55 /win
14:24<silent>eldowan, yes and no
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14:25<silent>I can mount it using a root command and access as a user, but i cant mount as a user
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14:25<silent>wrong iwndow
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14:25<Kikii>How can i get Quakenet to work >.<
14:26<silent>I am in neither the disk nor fuse groups
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14:26<fxiny>eldowan: np
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14:29<fxiny>reflect: all i know is : you can set a terminal link to open up to 9 tabs with different profiles an working directories
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14:30<reflect>yeah i already do that, was just figuring maybe i'd get a quick link to a su terminal on my desktop
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14:33<silent>can I do a sudo using a .asdf config file for password?
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14:33<silent>something like sudo --credentials=.asdf bleh
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14:34<Typeofdeath>somebody know how I put the Fn keys of the Dell Vostro 1000 to work?
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14:34<Typeofdeath>The brightness keys are more important
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14:34<Typeofdeath>and doesnt work
14:35<Typeofdeath>at all
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14:39<dpkg>i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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14:42<muh2000>dhcp server does not answer on a tap dev. what could cause this? i have a line for providing ips for that dev :(
14:43<kussik>yo can someone help me my linux is screwing up and xserver wont work, can someone help me?
14:43<kussik>when i boot up it gives me a long ass error message
14:43<reflect>pastebin the error
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14:44<iamtravis>how could you copy the contents of a terminal screen to a buffer and paste it into lynx or something? - never figured this out
14:44<valdyn>iamtravis: in X?
14:44<iamtravis>no, on a tty
14:44<muh2000>iamtravis: > bla.txt
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14:45<muh2000>iamtravis: or with gpm (mouse support and mark that stuff)
14:45<valdyn>iamtravis: with gpm ( mouse for console ) or inside "screen"
14:45<kussik>ya what do i do to copy it?
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14:46<muh2000>i did a dhcping on the ip where my dhcp (should) listen on the vpn network but no answer - for my normal lan the server answers and provides ip etc...
14:46<valdyn>muh2000: restart the dhcp server after you created the tap device
14:49<muh2000>valdyn: does not solve the problem. still no answer
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14:52<kussik>can anyone help me get the wizard running to configure x, that did the trick last time but i cant get it running
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14:54<cahoot>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:56<kussik>holy shit thank you sooooo much, iv been trying to remember that command for months and i finally have my linux box back :) i dont know how to thank you
14:57<kussik>cahoot: your roxxx
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14:59<JasonS>well damn, that explains why when i added a user to a group they couldn't write to a directory, my precedessor removed group write
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15:20<reflect>how can I shut down X without rebooting?
15:21<reflect>I want ot install my drivers for my video card, but it says I cant have X running
15:21<cahoot>invoke-rc.d gdm stop
15:21<reflect>should i just alt-ctrl out of x
15:21<reflect>then run that?
15:22<cahoot>(as root) run invoke-rc.d gdm stop in a term
15:22<Eulex>doesn't matter if you ctrl-alt or not
15:22<reflect>oh ok
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15:22<reflect>thanks :P
15:22<reflect>gonna give it a shot
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15:23<coryandbrittany>how do i install frostwire
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15:24<apoth>hi all
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15:24<apoth>i want a bit help for wine
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15:24<apoth>if i starting the still life, the mouse pointer is stay in window center
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15:25<apoth>somebody can help to me?
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15:27<Nemoder>apoth: you can try playing around with winecfg, beyond that you'll have to try #wine on
15:27<apoth>ok, thank you
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15:38<steve_>did a upgrade to ekiga on another machine and when I shut the system down and wanted to bring it up I get the grub prompt and not the gui environment.
15:39<steve_>need help trying to bring up debian gui
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15:40<dli>!tell steve_ about ask
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15:41<steve_>what is ask?
15:41<sylvcia>any body from poland??
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15:43<sylvcia>hallo any body here??
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15:48<sylvcia_>any body
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15:53<dpkg>methinks pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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15:59<steve_>I have a problem with getting debian to come up. I did a upgrade to ekiga and got it to install. I shut the system down and was waiting for it to come up. I'm running Debian version 4. when when the system comes up I get a output error with postgress fail. I then get the grub prompt is displayed. I expected it to give me a desktop log in screen but get command line instead.." What files do I have to edit
15:59<steve_><steve_> at the grub command line so that the desktop comes up?
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16:01<alec>steve_: the problem is probably not with your grub configuration
16:02<alec>steve_: is there no issue with xdm/gdm/kdm?
16:02<steve_>don't know
16:02<alec>steve_: did you do the upgrade to ekiga outside apt-get?
16:02<alec>steve_: (or aptitude, or whatever?)
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16:03<steve_>can you initiate aptitude at the grub command line?
16:04<alec>steve_: grub is used at the very beginning of the boot process, before the linux kernel loads
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16:04<MrDracon>Hello everyone.
16:04<alec>steve_: on my system, I get a grub menu for about 5 seconds that lets me choose which kernel I'm using
16:04<alec>steve_: once you've gotten to the point that programs are starting up, you're long past grub
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16:05<MrDracon>Anyone know a 'good' working vhcs insalling documentation for debian 4 etch?
16:06<steve_>chose the kernel and pressed enter. Watched scrolling info and noticed postgres failed
16:06<nato>my console key mapping is way off.. a=2 and such... in X everything is fine. Google is giving me nothing on this matter
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16:06<nato>cant even log in
16:06<alec>steve_: did anything else fail?
16:07<steve_>not that I could see
16:07<nato>all i can do in the console is turn my computer off and get into X
16:07<alec>steve_: postgres failing won't stop your desktop from coming up
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16:07<alec>steve_: how did you upgrade ekiga?
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16:07<steve_>through debian site
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16:08<cahoot>nato: could this apply? /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout
16:08<steve_>used tje apt get install command
16:08<nato>there is a pkg called that
16:08<alec>steve_: ok, what desktop system were you using? GNOME? KDE?
16:09<cahoot>nato: no it's a cue to invoke the channel-bot
16:09<alec>steve_: can you get to a root login shell / prompt and see what 'invoke-rc.d gdm start' does?
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16:10<steve_>ok I'll try it
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16:15<steve_>tried invoke-rc.d gdm start nothing happened
16:16<Maulkin>steve_: try /etc/init.d/gdm start
16:16<Maulkin>invoke-rc.d isn't really an end user tool.
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16:17<steve_>just a second I try it
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16:19<andrej>can come one tell me why cant i acces a folder on my mounted ntfs drive i can acces in folder in witch is my folder but in the one i want ... is possible if the name is too long ?
16:19<steve_>tried /etc/init.d/gdm start nothing happened
16:21<steve_>I'm logged in as su
16:21<cahoot>not even an error msg?
16:22<alec>steve_: looks like your X or GNOME is broken. There may be some log files in /var/log (look for Xorg)
16:22<steve_>it took the command and came back to the # prompt
16:22<alec>steve_: you can try manually starting x with 'startx' as user - it probably won't bring up GNOME, but that'll tell you if your X is broken or if your GNOME is
16:23<alec>steve_: you can also check to see if gdm is running; if it is, starting it again might not do anything
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16:24<steve_>OK I'll try startx
16:24<alec>steve_: try it as your user and not as root
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16:27<steve_>typed startx and got part of the gnome desktop but kicked me in to terminal mode
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16:28<steve_>with part of the desktop in the background
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16:29<steve_>guess I shutdown the system down and bring it up again
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16:35<steve_>noticed that part of the desktop is up and running. Able to get functionality
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16:36<steve_>think gnome is partly broken. How can I fix it from here?
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16:36<steve_>can I launch synaptic package manager and reload gnome?
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16:38<mildner>good evening I like to mount my second HD constandly when the PC boots up any help in adding the fstab?
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16:39<alec>steve_: as a part of your ekiga upgrade, were you asked about configuration file conflicts?
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16:39<alec>steve_: I'm guessing you pulled in some updated gnome deps, the configs changed, and you chose to keep your old ones that don't work with the newer software
16:39<alec>steve_: you could also try an 'aptitude full-upgrade'
16:40<alec>steve_: or apt-get dist-upgrade
16:40<dkr>mildner: just make a line that looks liek the othe rones, but put the secondd rive and mount point in first two columns
16:40<alec>steve_: in case you didn't get enough gnome updates
16:40<dkr>mildner: man fstab can give more details, but it's a pretty simple format
16:40<mildner>thanks dkr
16:41<steve_>ok I'll try apt-get dis-upgrade and see what happens
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16:41<steve_>hi jaakko
16:42<steve_>having problem with bring up my system alec has been helping
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16:43<jaakko>steve_: hi, did you get ssh work?
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16:47<steve_>haven't gotten that far yet.
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16:48<steve_>running apt-get dist-upgrade to my system to come up normally
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16:49<steve_>shut the system down after installing new ekiga and didn't come up in gnome desktop
16:49<andrej>how many letters can have a folder max.?
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16:50<steve_>directed to the command line loggin. Ran startx and see gnome but doesn't look right
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16:50<streuner>andrej: to tell you the truth, i never managed to have problems with that...
16:50<steve_>waiting for apt-get dist-upgrade to complete
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16:50<Vanye>andrej: Depends on the number of inodes when the partition was formatted.
16:51<Maulkin>andrej: depends on the number of inodes and filesystem type
16:51<andrej>streuner: i got a problem and i dont know why can't i enter in folder by terminal...
16:51<streuner>andrej: space(s) are evil...
16:51<andrej>streuner: no spaces
16:51<streuner>show us
16:52<streuner>permissions correct?
16:52<streuner>Are you root?
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16:52<Vanye>You may have the wong permissions. Try chmod +x on the folder.
16:54<andrej>it gaves me > if i try to type anything...
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16:54<Maulkin>cd "./UL/HDBits/Pirates.of.the.Caribbean.At.World's.End.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR"
16:54<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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16:54<Vanye>What is the folder name, andrej?
16:55<bazilio>What is the problem whis my name?
16:55<andrej>Maulkin: it doesn't work !!! :D
16:55<Maulkin>!doesn't work
16:55<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:57<andrej>Maulkin: no error message just > if i want to type sth... and thats all there is...
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16:57<Maulkin>andrej: did you do: cd "./UL/HDBits/Pirates.of.the.Caribbean.At.World's.End.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR"
16:58<Maulkin>Or did you miss out the " marks?
16:58<bazilio>I don't like pain, becose my brain, don't love be happy, and play in pratty women
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16:58<Maulkin>bazilio: do you have a Debian question?
16:58<andrej>Maulkin? need marks?
16:58<bazilio>no I have't
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16:58<Maulkin>Please pop somewhere else then
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16:59<Vanye>Try './sth'
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16:59<Maulkin>andrej: yes
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17:01<andrej>Maulkin: ok its working now ! thank you very very much !!! why doesn't work in "normal mode"*
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17:01<Maulkin>andrej: you have a ' in the folder name
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17:03<andrej>Maulkin: and that f*** every thing ... o my f*** god :D
17:03<andrej>thanks a lot
17:03<Maulkin>andrej: Or change ' to \' and you'll also be fine
17:04[~]Vanye grunts.
17:04<andrej>ok thx !
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17:04<Maulkin>erm... not the directory name
17:04<seazer>Ya t-il des francais ?
17:04<Maulkin>Just when you cd to it
17:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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17:07<andrej>Maulkin yes i know :) like spaces :) that gave me some trouble getting used to it
17:07<andrej>got to go now :D
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17:23<Clumsy_Root>is anyone using debian lenny on a constant basis and can tell me if it's reliable/stable enough for common use?
17:23<TwistedEmo>WHATS the command to stop something in debian?
17:23<TwistedEmo>im trying to stop the firewall
17:23<TwistedEmo>and then start it again
17:24<dli>TwistedEmo, what firewall?
17:24<tiCo>"the firewall" isn't a service
17:24<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: yes, and it depends on what you consider reliable/stable
17:24<TwistedEmo>someone made a firewall program
17:24<TwistedEmo>i dont remember the stop command
17:24<TwistedEmo>i thought it was -stop
17:24<JasonS>TwistedEmo: there really isn't one
17:24<Clumsy_Root>well, i generally consider reliable anything that won't crash more than once a day or two
17:24<JasonS>TwistedEmo: install one of the pretty x front ends?
17:24<Maulkin>Read the manual for the program you've got.
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17:24<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: works for *me*
17:25<TwistedEmo>theres no manual someone made it from scratch
17:25<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: though may be broken. No promises as it's not stable
17:25<Maulkin>TwistedEmo: ask the person who made it
17:25<TwistedEmo>he's gone
17:25<TwistedEmo>i saw him type a stop command
17:25<Clumsy_Root>true. would you recommend it as an alternative to etch then?
17:25<TwistedEmo>i just dont remember what it is
17:25<JasonS>TwistedEmo: what firewall? iptables?
17:25<EmleyMoor>Clumsy_Root: I've had little trouble with lenny - but then again, I confine it to one box where etch wouldn't do.
17:25<JasonS>man iptebles
17:26<Greesmunkee>I'm running Sid on AMD64 with the OSS sound driver (recently GPL'd!) and am getting "Cannot open shared library /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib/" when playing flash movies with flashplayer. I can't find this file anywhere (system or debianpackages search). Am I doing something wrong or...?
17:26<EmleyMoor>Clumsy_Root: I use etch for everything else (bar one old box which is still on FreeBSD at present)
17:26<Maulkin> /emul ?
17:26<Clumsy_Root>i see. just checking i won't wind up with a rickety install after a few failures with sid :P
17:26<TwistedEmo>any ideas JasonS?
17:27<JasonS>yep, read the manual
17:27<Clumsy_Root>i think you're suggesting to keep it safe. maybe i will
17:27<JasonS>just like ive been doing the last 2 weeks
17:27<Greesmunkee>Maulkin: 32bit libs
17:28<Clumsy_Root>right now i'm limiting lennies to non-core parts of the distro, which bars libs or xorg stuff
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17:28<Maulkin>Greesmunkee: you may want libasound2-plugins
17:28<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: you're in for problems if you try and mix releases.
17:29<Clumsy_Root>infact i'm limiting that habit, i only really do that for apps that feel like they could undergo radical changes from version to version
17:29<Clumsy_Root>like multimedia packages and such
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17:30<Greesmunkee>brb, restarting iceweasel
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17:34<Greesmunkee>Maulkin: thx for the tip, but thats the amd64 lib, not the 32 bit one I need for the flashplayer
17:34<Greesmunkee>still getting the same error
17:34<Maulkin>Greesmunkee: that's on i386 as well as amd64.
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17:35<Greesmunkee>Maulkin: I understand, but the libasound lib sits in /usr/lib, not /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib/
17:36<Maulkin>Greesmunkee: well, what's whatever your flash player is using
17:36<Maulkin>I can't fix that, especially as /emul is non FHS, so not supported at all
17:36<Maulkin>you could try a symlink or something
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17:37<Greesmunkee>Flashlayer 9 (what I'm trying to get sound out of) only works with alsa, not with OSS anymore. I'm using the nspluginwrapper so I can use it on amd64. The lib is 64bit and flash wants a 32bit one, as far as my limited understanding goes
17:38<Greesmunkee>Symlinking will not work, I think
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17:38<dli>Greesmunkee, I use gnash :) it's free software
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17:39<Greesmunkee>I just wish Gnash was a little bit more developed. At the moment youtube works perfectly, but thats about all. Google videos, yahoo and myspace are all no-no's, unfortunately
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17:39<Greesmunkee>I have tried Gnash and was pleassantly surprised by the working youtube, however there are a lot more sites than you tube that I would like to watch videos from
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17:40<Clumsy_Root>i've got flashplayer 9 working on amd64, not sure i remember what i did tho'...
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17:41<faheem__>What is the recommended method of uploading packages these days, dupload, or something else?
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17:41<Greesmunkee>Clumsy_Root, the problem is OSS, not flash
17:41<Greesmunkee>flashplayer 7 was OSS compatible, flashplayer 9 is only for ALSA
17:42<Clumsy_Root>besides, ain't OSS deprecated by now?
17:42<Greesmunkee>OSS is not deprecated, its still going strong
17:42<Greesmunkee>The OSS in the kernel is the 3.8 ver and that is dead, but on the 4front site the OSS 4 is free
17:43<Clumsy_Root>i see.
17:43<Greesmunkee>and it works better than alsa, but that's just my experience. I have 7.1 speakers and OSS works great at upmixing out of the box with zero config
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17:45<chealer>faheem__: ask #debian-mentors
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17:48<jusae>need some help with adding a user to my debian box
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17:48<JasonS>jusae: man adduser
17:48<jusae>i know the adduser command, but the user has complete access to the directory tree
17:48<jusae>he/she can view every file on the system
17:49<jusae>i tried chmod'in the .. option
17:49<jusae>but that wasn't workin too well, login says that the user has no home directory
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17:49<jusae>i'm a newbie, btw
17:50<JasonS>so you want to jail them in their /home
17:51<Maulkin>set their shell ro rbash
17:51<jusae>i suppose so, i want the user to have access to their files and group files
17:52<weasel>jusae: what you want is not easily possible.
17:52<weasel>jusae: users have read access to stuff that is world readable. that's how things work.
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17:53<jusae>agreed, what direction should i be takin
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17:53<JasonS>live with it?
17:53<Maulkin>JasonS: well, you can set their shell to rbash...
17:53<Maulkin>jusae even
17:53<weasel>Maulkin: and you know how well that works
17:54<Maulkin>weasel: it'd solve the problem... :P
17:54<jusae>no it won't
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17:55<Maulkin>jusae: it would solve the problem you've described.
17:55<weasel>Maulkin: not out of the box.
17:56<jusae>setting a users shell to rbash for a production box is acceptable in ur book?
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17:57<jusae>i'm sure i should be doing more
17:57<enouf>so basically you're trolling
17:58<jusae>sorry, that last statement sounded rude
17:58<jusae>my apologies
17:58<enouf>don't allow users on your box, .. or setup vserver, uml or something more locked down ...
17:58<jusae>1 sec, rbashin my shells
17:58<weasel>just accept that users can see the directory tree for a+rx stuff.
17:58<weasel>it's no big deal.
17:58<JasonS>jusae: wasnt rude, dont worry you'll know when they're being rude ;)
17:59<jusae>don't wanna offend people
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18:00<jusae>setting the shell to rbash in the /etc/skel's is what i should be doin? right?
18:00<weasel>rbash doesn't solve your problem.
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18:00<jusae>setting the correct permissions on all the files would?
18:01<weasel>what are the correct permissions?
18:01<weasel>they are correct already.
18:01<weasel>you might want to set homedirectories go-rwx, but other than that everything is right by default.
18:02<jusae>users shouldn't be able to view any file other then their own, unless their a super user
18:02<JasonS>jusae: incorrect
18:02<jusae>or in the same group
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18:02<jusae>tryin not to laugh at myself
18:02<weasel>they _need_ to be able to read lots of other files.
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18:02<weasel>like most system files.
18:03<JasonS>same as windows etc.
18:03<enouf>emphasis on read
18:03<JasonS>yes i said the w word
18:03<Greesmunkee>time for a dollar in the swear box then?
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18:04<jusae>i'm sure i should be setting something
18:04<weasel>stop worrying.
18:04<weasel>all is fine.
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18:04<JasonS>Greesmunkee: good, a few more dollars and i can afford something fun
18:04<enouf>yeah, fire up the barbie, i'm starved
18:04<JasonS>enouf: way way way ahead of ou
18:04<jusae>how do i set the rbash in my shell
18:05<enouf>hard of hearing too eh?
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18:05<jusae>not sure what u mean?
18:05<weasel>Thu 00:00:23 <weasel> rbash doesn't solve your problem.
18:06<jusae>what would u advise?
18:06<enouf>well, if you don't even know how to do that, chances are no matter what you do will be wrong
18:06<weasel>jusae: I would advise that you listen to me when I tell you to stop worrying and accept the status quo.
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18:07<enouf>perhaps you should check out the debian reference for starters
18:07<weasel>jusae: clearly you have no idea how unixes work, so just take my word for it
18:07<jusae>so i should give up and install windows or leave the system open to u
18:07<weasel>get a clue, will you?
18:07<weasel>you are insulting
18:07<valdyn>jusae: leave the defaults, they are fine.
18:07<jusae>i'm embressed
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18:07<enouf>then move on to the security guide, then maybe look into (as i said earlier), vservers, UML, chrrot jails, hardening your kernel , etc
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18:08<Wesley>Hi :)
18:08<valdyn>mm, there's even a faq thing..
18:08<weasel>enouf: don't tell him that now. tell him in a year or 5
18:08<valdyn>!wikifaq jusae Permissions
18:08<dpkg>jusae: check out or if that doesn't work, try
18:08<Wesley>Can anyone please help me with the following:
18:08<enouf>weasel: yeah, you're right
18:08<Wesley>mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0; however: Package mysql-server-5.0 is not configured yet.
18:08<Clumsy_Root>guys, is unicode support under debian incomplete?
18:09<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: no?
18:09<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: no?
18:09<Wesley>I did a reconfigure but no joy
18:09<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: some applications do not completely support utf-8
18:09<Maulkin>Wesley: what are you trying to do?
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18:09<Wesley>Install mysql-server
18:09<dondelelcaro>Wesley: so dpkg --configure -a; and if it fails, give us the complete output.
18:09<Wesley>It was installed but I removed it
18:09<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: but you're probably not using one of those
18:09<Clumsy_Root>well, how about nautilus? ;>_>
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18:10<Wesley>Allright dondelelcaro
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18:10<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: anything using gtk2 should completely support utf-8, nautilus certainly does
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18:10<Wesley>Can I paste a link in here?
18:10<Clumsy_Root>i can't seem to get a lot of special characters to work, like umlauts and circumflexes...
18:10<dondelelcaro>Wesley: yes
18:10<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: ( any gnome app is using gtk2 )
18:10<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: what is your locale?
18:11<Wesley>here is the output result
18:11<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: maybe you want to chose it_IT.UTF-8
18:11<Maulkin>Wesley: do you have any very large databases in there?
18:11<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
18:11<Clumsy_Root>hmm, i see.
18:11<Wesley>Maulkin, did a dpkg --purge and removed all databases
18:11<Clumsy_Root>thanks, trying it now
18:12<Wesley>made a copy of /var/lib/mysql tho
18:12<Maulkin>Wesley: ok. Need to know why it's failing really.
18:12<Wesley>Well, hehe you tell me
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18:13<Maulkin>Can you try starting it manually?
18:13<Clumsy_Root>right, this is puzzling
18:13<Wesley>daemon log returns this
18:13<Maulkin>Is there anything in /var/log/mysql.err ?
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18:13<Clumsy_Root>it_IT.UTF-8 is already installed, apparently
18:13<Wesley>It's empty Maulkin
18:13<Wesley>thanks for your time btw
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18:13<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: you can have as many locales generated as you want
18:13<Maulkin>Is there anything in /var/log/mysql.log ?
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18:14<Clumsy_Root>hm. would it do any harm to build all locales then?
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18:14<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: would just slow down upgrading the locales package
18:14<Maulkin>And does /etc/mysql/debian.cnf have information in? (don't pastebin it)
18:14<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: ( and take a while to complete.. =
18:15<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: some hard disk space, but that'S minor
18:15<Clumsy_Root>no free lunch then, huh
18:15<Wesley>Maulkin it has my old config file. hoped the reinstall would have replaced that :(
18:15<valdyn>!info locales-all etch
18:15<dpkg>locales-all: (GNU C Library: Precompiled locale data), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 5957 kB, Installed size: 14968 kB
18:15<Wesley>But yes it does Maulkin, and has socket defined
18:15<valdyn>Clumsy_Root: or just install "locales-all"
18:15<Maulkin>Wesley: probably not. purge mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0
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18:15<Clumsy_Root>well, that's not too huge after all
18:16<Wesley>Thats what I did Maulkin
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18:16<Maulkin>Then try removing teh config, and re-installing
18:16<Maulkin>Both of them?
18:16<Wesley>just rm ?
18:16<Clumsy_Root>nah, i'll just clear it from the route i'm already taking
18:16<Wesley>yes bth of them
18:16<Maulkin>Or cp, if you want a copy :)
18:16<Wesley>I used dpkg --purge
18:16<Clumsy_Root>thanks a lot, here goes nothing :)
18:16<Wesley>also remove the mysql from init.d Maulkin?
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18:17<Maulkin>Wesley: yup, and /etc/mysql/
18:17<Maulkin>Lets go for a clean install
18:17<Wesley>remove the whole dir?
18:17<Maulkin>May as well
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18:17<Maulkin>(unless you want stuff in there)
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18:19<Wesley>Just apt-get install mysql-server I assume?
18:19<Wesley>or also include the 5.0?
18:19<Maulkin>That shoudl work
18:19<Wesley>beh still not
18:19<Maulkin>Same issue?
18:20<Wesley>nope wait
18:20<Wesley>theres no my.cnf tho
18:20<Maulkin>Right, ok.
18:21<Maulkin>Lets remove and --purge them again
18:21<Maulkin>We want a clean state
18:21<Maulkin>And make sure they're all purged and removed.
18:21<Wesley>afaik they are
18:21<Maulkin>Right, try the install again
18:22<Wesley>shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
18:22<Wesley>same thing, Maulkin
18:22<Maulkin>Wesley: get to your home directory and try it :)
18:23<Wesley>cd ~ I assume?
18:23<Maulkin>or justr "cd" :)
18:23<Wesley>pom pom
18:24<Wesley>well the shell-init thing went away
18:24<Maulkin>pom pom?
18:24<Wesley>just.. a.. tudu-tudu ;)
18:24<Wesley>Other errors remain the same im afraid
18:24<Maulkin>And you're sure it's --purged?
18:24<Maulkin>(hint, it's not)
18:24<Wesley>dpkg --purge mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0
18:24<Wesley>this is the command I use
18:25<Maulkin>you need to purge out mysql-server-5.0
18:25<Maulkin>ie: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0
18:25<Wesley>How exactly?
18:25<Wesley>Allright lets try that
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18:26<Wesley>*crosses fingers*
18:26<Wesley>same problem Maulkin ..
18:26<Maulkin>Ok... lets try one more thing.
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18:27<Wesley>use force?
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18:28<Maulkin>Wesley: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
18:28<Maulkin>Wesley: remove the mysql-server* entries
18:29<Maulkin>(looks like something isn't purging properly)
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18:29<Wesley>And then?
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18:30<Maulkin>try the install :)
18:30<Wesley>diffrent errors, but no
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18:31<Wesley>arggh I know I shouldnt have removed it
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18:32<Wesley>where does it go wrong?
18:33<Maulkin>Right, try (as root) mkdir -p /etc/mysql/conf.d/
18:33<Maulkin>I'm pretty sure it;s not purged though
18:33<jusae>how do i list the system variables
18:33<jusae>are the user variables in a seperate file
18:34<Maulkin>Oi! Seanus! Help me out here. What the hell does 5.0 do with it's postrm/prerm scripts and the debconf DB?
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18:34<Maulkin>Bah, not here
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18:34<Wesley>any way I can do this manual Maulkin?
18:35<Maulkin>Wesley: Trying to work you through it now :)
18:35<Wesley>I realy, reaaaaaly appriciate your help
18:35<Maulkin>No probs
18:35<Maulkin><-- one of the mysql maintainers
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18:35<Wesley>Its a live server aswell. hehe
18:35<Maulkin>Hang on a sec, checkign a couple of bits
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18:36<Wesley>Ah well. The reason I removed the previous version was because of mysql trying to read *something* from /var/run/mysql while the actual directy where the mysql.sock was located was /var/run/mysql
18:37<Wesley>hogging up 98% cpu
18:37<Maulkin>right, ok.
18:37<Wesley>while all settings to the mysql.sock were correct afaik
18:37<Maulkin>Looks like there's an issue with the mysql purge scripts
18:37<Wesley>strace showed lots of getsockname(257, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/mysql"}, [30]) = 0
18:37<Maulkin>So, lets see.
18:37<Wesley>but thats another story
18:38<Maulkin>Can you edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
18:38<Maulkin>Change mysql-server-5.0/need_sarge_compat to false
18:38<Maulkin>Change mysql-server-5.0/need_sarge_compat_done to true
18:39<Maulkin>Hopefully, that may help
18:39<Wesley>How do I change the false/true?
18:39<Wesley>Name: mysql-server-5.0/need_sarge_compat
18:39<Wesley>Template: mysql-server-5.0/need_sarge_compat
18:39<Wesley>Owners: mysql-server-5.0
18:39<Wesley>Ah sorry didnt mean to paste 3 lines
18:39<Maulkin>Value: false
18:39<Maulkin>after Template:
18:40<Wesley>and Value: true
18:40<Maulkin>Try a --purge and reinstall again
18:41<Wesley>lets see
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18:41<Wesley>im afraid its the same :(
18:42<Maulkin>Did you make the directory?
18:42<Wesley>I did not
18:42<Maulkin>Try it :)
18:43<Wesley>Woo! diffrent error
18:43<Wesley>but this seems more known to me
18:43<Wesley>seems to be having some sort of permission problem ?
18:44<Wesley>shall I just copy back my old /var/lib/mysql ?
18:44<Maulkin>You're after mysql_fix_privilege_tables
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18:44<Maulkin>Yeah, should be rw by mysql
18:44<Wesley>I can copy my old mysql dir?
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18:45<Maulkin>Potentially, yes
18:45<Wesley>also the sock file, bin files etc? or just the actual db's?
18:47<Wesley>mysqlcheck --check-upgrade --all-databases --auto-repair doesnt work as mysql isnt running
18:47<Wesley>so the msqyl fix thing doesnt work I guess
18:47<Maulkin>Yeah, you'll need to fix the permissions first
18:48<Wesley>How do I do that?
18:48<Maulkin>Next, try mysqld --skip-grant-tables (I think)
18:48<Maulkin>chown -R mysql /etc/mysql/
18:48<Wesley>071122 0:48:36 [ERROR] Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root!
18:48<Maulkin>chown -R mysql /var/lib/mysql/
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18:49<Wesley>yeah just done that, was google'ing
18:50<Wesley>still same fatal error running mysqld
18:50<Wesley>--user=mysql seems to work
18:51<Maulkin>Right. Now does mysqld at least start?
18:51<Wesley>awesome, it does!
18:52<Wesley>thats one step hehe
18:52<Maulkin>Right, now try mysql_fix_privilege_tables
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18:54<Wesley>says done
18:54<Wesley>restart mysql?
18:54<Maulkin>Kill mysqld
18:54<Maulkin>Then lets try again :)
18:54<grasn>how i find out my xorg version?
18:54<Maulkin>(using init.d
18:55<Maulkin> X -version
18:55<Wesley>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!
18:55<Wesley>ill manualy do it
18:56<Wesley>mm we might need a little my.cnf ;)
18:56<Maulkin>Meh :P
18:56<Wesley>why in phpmyadmin are all databases old?
18:57<Wesley>the ones I cp'd back in /var/lib/mysql ?
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18:57<Maulkin> /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples/my-*.cnf ?
18:57<Wesley>they're not emptied with the repair right?
18:58<Maulkin>Wesley: They could be, if they don't exist
18:58<Wesley>oh boy
18:58<Maulkin>How the hell did you get into this mess anyway?
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18:58<Wesley>Ill tell you in a moment, since you're involved in mysql
18:58<Wesley>i believe its a bug between debian and mysql
18:59<Wesley>have to get this puppy up and running first
18:59<Maulkin>Ok :P
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18:59<grasn>can someone tell me how i set permission? i wanna run the ati driver it says: bash: ./ Permission denied
18:59<Wesley>Know a location where I can get the default my.cnf for mysql5 in a jiff?
18:59<Wesley>doesnt seem to be on my system anymore
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19:00<Maulkin>Ahh. right
19:00<Greesmunkee>grash chmod a+x ati-driver...
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19:00<Maulkin>Hang on
19:00<Greesmunkee>grash: maybe also a+r
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19:01<Maulkin>Wesley: ^^
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19:03<Wesley>mysql process wont die. seems to be doing all sorts of things I have no clue about hehe
19:03<Wesley>lone(child_stack=0xb4f324c4, flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_DETACHED, parent_tidptr=0xb4f32bf8, {entry_number:6, base_addr:0xb4f32bb0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}, child_tidptr=0xb4f32bf8) = 11247
19:03<Wesley>does this say anything to you?
19:04<Wesley>else I just kill -9 it
19:04<Maulkin>ok, use -15
19:04<Maulkin>Then -2
19:04<Maulkin>Then -1
19:04<Maulkin>Then -9 :)
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19:05<Wesley>that works
19:05<Bengt7jqb>How can I use my SonyEricsson K750i as an GPRS-moden true USB cabel. Debian 4.0.?
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19:06<Wesley>How can I import my old /var/lib/mysql files back Maulkin?
19:07<Wesley>I *used* to just copy/paste them but that doesnt seem to work now
19:07<Maulkin>Wesley: copy them back
19:07<Wesley>I did :<
19:07<Maulkin>And chown them to mysql
19:07<Wesley>ah. that might work
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19:08<Wesley>pft sorry.. been a long day
19:08<Bengt7jqb>/ask Can I use my K750i mobile as an GPRS-moden on Debian 4.0 ?
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19:14<Maulkin>Wesley: how's it going?
19:14<Wesley>trying to fix the user privalidges table
19:15<Maulkin>Ok... :)
19:15<Wesley>thats /var/lib/mysq/mysql right?
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19:17<Maulkin>Probably /var/lib/mysql/mysql/ yeah
19:17<Wesley>mrhf doesnt seem to work
19:19<Maulkin>Comeon... more descriptive?
19:19<Wesley>copied the old folder into the current. but it still seems to use the old proviliges table
19:20<Wesley>the sql dump is a few gig large so kind of difficult to gonna be cutting that out
19:20<Maulkin>You'll need to restart mysqld
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19:20<diego>Hi everybody! Anyone knows how to configure my apt-get sources? I get an error message when I do "apt-get update": something like "could not load some files in the index".
19:20<Wesley>I did
19:21<Maulkin>(pref copy it when mysql isn't running)
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19:21<Wesley>hehe lets try that
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19:23<Greesmunkee>diego: what's in you sources file?
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19:24<Wesley>mm mm
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19:25<diegox>Greesmunkee: My sources file?
19:25<diegox>Greesmunkee: Where can I find it?
19:25<Greesmunkee>diegox: /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:26<Maulkin>!tell diegox about pastebin
19:26<Greesmunkee>diegox: Here is my sources file as example:
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19:29<diegox>Greesmunkee: There's nothing in that foulder
19:29<Greesmunkee>diegox: it should be a file, not a folder
19:30<Greesmunkee>diegox: ls -la /etc/apt
19:31<Maulkin>Wesley: I need to go to bed now (it's 12:30 pm here), but drop me an email at if you still have issues.
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19:33<Wesley>I will! to reportt why I was having these problems
19:33<Wesley>thank you _very_ much for all your help
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19:33<Wesley>andd goodnight :)
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19:37<diegox>Greesmunkee: I found it, it looks like this
19:38<diegox>Greesmunkee: I think it looks like a mess
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19:39<Greesmunkee>diegox: Are you running etch/stable?
19:39<Greesmunkee>diegox: yes its a mess, but nothing that can't be fixed
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19:40<Greesmunkee>Please speed your responses up as its 1:40am here!
19:40<diegox>Greesmunkee: Yes, backported by kmuto
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19:41<chealer>!tell diegox about bat
19:41<diegox>Greesmunkee: man! you must be falling apart
19:42<Greesmunkee>diegox: No, I'm used to living like this ;-)
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19:43<Greesmunkee>I don't get the backported by kmuto bit tho
19:43<Greesmunkee>Basically you need at least one line that tells the system where to get software from. Either a cd, an internet repository or suchlike
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19:44<Greesmunkee>Use mine as a reference, change unstable to stable and you should be good to go. All the other entries you should be able to safely delete.
19:44<diegox>Greesmunkee: Any sugestions?
19:45<Greesmunkee>deb stable main contrib non-free
19:45<diegox>Greesmunkee: Thank you very much!
19:45<Greesmunkee>change nl to a mirror near you...
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19:46<Greesmunkee>and also add deb etch/updates main contrib on a separate line to get security updates
19:46<Greesmunkee>You are welcome
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19:58<jusae>okay, i see what ur saying about rbash
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20:07<diegox>question: If I upgrade my kde-desktop version, is there any chance that i get bash or anything else deconfigured?
20:08<Solver>highly unlikely
20:08<Greesmunkee>diegox: Probably not. Unless you are doing a dist-upgrade in which case you might get a newer bash, but not a deconfigured one
20:08<Solver>if the dependency tree is planing to remove any packages it'll tell you
20:08<Solver>in any case the config remains in place so you could always put it back
20:08<Solver>yeah dist-upgrade is another story altogether
20:09[~]Solver recommends a backup right before a dist-upgrade
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20:10<roomer>Can I ask about screen screen resolution. I have installed debian and everything is ok except the resolution is a bit low (800x600) I have tried looking in the conf file and the three resolutions are 1028x728, 800x600 and 640x680, but for somereason the upper one doesn't work. I' m assuming that the chosen video driver doesn't support the upper res on my card. What is the easiest way to change it to use 1028x768?
20:11<roomer>I supose I'm in the business of looking for amtrox driver?
20:11<goauld>did u press control + alt + + to check it ?
20:11<roomer>Or is there some other way?
20:12<roomer>amtrox = a matrox
20:12<roomer>sorry about typos
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20:16<roomer>The problem I ca forsee about guessing with Video settings is if i get it wrong I can't see to put it right :)
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20:18<roomer>I'll have to go to bed actually and come back tomorrow
20:18<roomer>I got here too latre really.
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21:18<Golfgeo>Hi al
21:18<Golfgeo>*Hi all
21:20<Golfgeo>There seem to be problems with libtao-dev and related libs, anyone experienced them too?
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21:34<Mike_FAI>Hello, I have the following issue. I need to install Debian remotely, and have exhausted myself looking for ways to do it. FAI is useless, Replicator is pretty well useless. I'm now about to battle with "preseeding". Does anyone have any experience in the area ?
21:38<dondelelcaro>FAI or presseeding are the two methods of doing it; both of them work.
21:38<dondelelcaro>though they're not for "remote" installs; primarily for unattended ones.
21:39<dondelelcaro>(however, you can do remote installs using the ssh udeb in the debian packages coupled with preseeding if you can figure out the remote ip; it's just not entirely automatic)
21:39<Mike_FAI>FAI is a pain, well at least in sarge it is, especially when the docs dont match the dist. I have a person in another city who can put the CD in the drive but I can't expect much more than that.
21:40<dli>Mike_FAI, why do you do sarge? not etch
21:40<Mike_FAI>my boss wont let me upgrade to etch until its been stable for longer :)
21:41<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: uh... sarge isn't going to be supported for much longer
21:41<dli>Mike_FAI, sounds like everyone has his or her own stupid boss
21:41<Mike_FAI>dli :) yup
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21:41<Mike_FAI>dondelelcaro: oh, well thats good because Im getting rather sick of not having any new toys
21:42<dondelelcaro>I mean, you basically shouldn't be deploying new machines running sarge, and should be working on finalizing plans to upgrade any existing sarge machines
21:42<Mike_FAI>well.. the "new" machine is going to be an mp3 jukebox for a client site... so its not really important that the o/s isn't up to date..
21:43<Mike_FAI>But I hear you, and so will my immediate superiors ;-P
21:43<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: yeah, but far better to just install etch, and not have to worry about a remote upgrade later
21:43<Mike_FAI>dondelelcaro: have you had much experience with preseeding ?
21:44<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: in any event, if you get the preseeding file correct, you can have the remote machine bring up ssh and you can complete the install using that; if you make a custom cd, you can even have it default to a specific file
21:44<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: I haven't used it personally, but I know what it can do
21:44<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: if you get stuck, you can ask in here or in #debian-boot
21:44<Mike_FAI>It's starting to look like the best approach. I haven't read all the docs yet.. I've been reading too much lately about things that haven't worked :/
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21:46<dondelelcaro>yeah, the main thing with preseeding is to do a fully remote install requires a dhcp server, some way of figuring out the ip it got, and getting the preseed file to the machine if you haven't made a custom cd
21:46<Mike_FAI>dondelelcaro: sweet, well thanks for the pointers, im going to go read all about preseeding.
21:46<Mike_FAI>Ok well I intend to make a custom CD.. do I still need DHCP ?
21:47<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: I don't know if you can preseed an address... you may be able to.
21:47<dondelelcaro>(but you're going to have to have some way of getting the thing on the internet, anyway)
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21:48<Mike_FAI>Ok. mind you, I can probably talk a windows user through giving it an IP addy. Its on a telco VPN to our office, btw.
21:48<dondelelcaro>Mike_FAI: oh... you guys don't just do a dhcp server for all the remote machines?
21:49<Mike_FAI>At the client sites, yes.. but this machine will be residing at our other office in Auckland before being rolled out to the client.
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21:50<Mike_FAI>Its OK im sure Ill get through the IP issue. Even windows monkeys can type in ifconfig ;-)
21:50<dondelelcaro>oh, yeah, the ip issue is pretty trivial
21:50<dondelelcaro>in fact, you probably could even talk them through the proceedure to get a standard netinst cd working with a remote install if you wanted
21:51<dondelelcaro>since it's basically 'expert'; press return a bit; indicate that the sshd udeb should be loaded; set up ip; enter password for the sshd; done.
21:51<Mike_FAI>probably.. but then again we use IP phones with compression.. so maybe not :P
21:52<dondelelcaro>you might just give it a try locally first to see if it's something you could do; less work unless you're going to be doing this sort of thing constantly
21:53<Mike_FAI>besides, doing this preseeding is good experience, I feel. I am setting up a virtualised test with VMware and a couple of boxen here at work.
21:54<Mike_FAI>Yeah, this might be a regular style thing if I prove to management that I can do it. At least it will get me off fixing all the windows problems then someone else can do that hehe
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21:55<dondelelcaro>heh. here personally, I just ship an entire minimized image when I last implemented something like that
21:55<Mike_FAI>BTW, thanks for your help. you've given me the confidence that preseeding will work and I'm now at least prepared to read the docs and test it.
21:55<Mike_FAI>do you not run into hardware configuration problems doing that ?
21:56<dondelelcaro>though I don't have to deal with things like video cards and such; most everything is heavily standardized
21:56<Mike_FAI>hang on phones hot
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21:58<Mike_FAI>OK sweet, well if this preseeding doesn't work for me or will take too long, I will try just shipping an image.
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21:59<Mike_FAI>but for now, I'd better go do some work, some more windows stuff just fell over ;o)
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21:59<Mike_FAI>Thanks for the help again, dondelelcaro
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22:32<arguapacha>hi. i am trying to make an wireless USB car work (Dlink DWL-122 rev c1) and installed the rt2x00 modules and it seems to work properly, but when I use "ifup wlan0", it just keeps saying "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval ..." but still the card does not seem to respond, I mean, the activity led is never blinking or something... is there any problem with the driver or is it me? :P
22:36<jusae>quick newbie question
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22:37<jusae>i just type in the followin : "useradd -g test1 -s /bin/rbash -p test1 -d/home/test1 -m test1" and the system gives me the syntax message
22:38<jusae>accordin to the man page, this is wrong and accordin to its right
22:39<Solver>you could just use adduser :)
22:40<arguapacha>i don't know much about the useradd syntax, but I guess you should follow the man page... no?
22:40<jusae>i wanna add it to a script
22:40<jusae>I am learnin thou
22:40<Solver>jusae: does group test1 exist?
22:40<Solver>it must exist
22:41<Solver>the syntax certainly looks ok
22:41<Solver>let's try it...
22:42<jusae>if i set the usergroups to no, will that add the user to the group i specify and not create its own group?
22:42<jusae>is this good practice?
22:42<Solver>well that user created a/c user1 on one of my test boces
22:42<Solver>I prefer that
22:42<Solver>some don't
22:42<Solver>I don't like individual groups much as I don't find them useful
22:42<jusae>u prefer usergroups=no?
22:43<Solver>I don't see it as a best practice either way - just different approaches
22:43<Solver>I setup one group per logical group of users (eg, a business unit)
22:44<Solver>as to your useradd line it worked for me - the only change I did was to change the group as the test box didn't have a group test1
22:44<Solver>could you provide the exact error you are seeing?
22:45<Solver>and to answer your other Q - if you set usergroups to no the user will simply be added to the specified group or the default group
22:45<jusae>default being user?
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22:46<jusae>its a plain install of debian
22:46<Solver>the default group should be users
22:47<Solver>you can set it in /etc/adduser.conf of course
22:47<jusae>its not an error message its the usage
22:49<jusae>any switch gives the usage
22:49<Solver>remove the switches one by one to see which one is causing the problem
22:49<jusae>and its "adduser (switch) username
22:49<Solver>remember to userdel after eachone
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22:50<deliver>Morgen, ist noch kein Weihnachten, schön was
22:50<jusae>none of the switches work?
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22:51<jusae>option g is ambigious
22:51<meepmeep>hey quick question: how does the system determine its architecture? amd64, i386, etc
22:51<Solver>jusae: remember adduser & useradd are entitely seperate
22:51<Solver>jusae: the right switches shouls work fine with both :)
22:52<Solver>meepmeep: it gets an ID off the chip
22:52<Solver>you can see it
22:52<Solver>cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:52<Solver>I believe the arch is derived from that
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22:53<meepmeep>hmm, i didn't even know about that, lol
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22:53<Solver>meepmeep: /proc is lots of fun :)
22:54<jusae>i don't why debian is givin my crap for, ambigious option g/s/d and unknown options p/m
22:54<Solver>jusae: adduser has a couple of switches starting with g :)
22:54<gsimmons>arguapacha: You may require driver firmware. Download the RT71 firmware from <>, unextract and place rt73.bin in /lib/firmware. Also check the kernel ring buffer using dmesg.
22:54<meepmeep>i was doing 'grep -ir amd64 /etc' to see where that info was being stored, lol
22:54<Solver>jusae: just use the options as set out in the man page of the usage. adduser/useradd should be pretty painless
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22:55<Solver>there's a tool which does fantastic low level diags on the box
22:55<Solver>and I keep fscking forgetting the name of it :)
22:55[~]Solver installed it on some boxes recnetly...
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22:56<Solver>meepmeep: install that and play with it. most cool
22:56<kamaraju>Why is rmadison's output inconsistent with For example, On Debian sid, if I do rmadison texmacs, it shows that arm still has texmacs 1: where as shows that 1: is installed on arm.
22:56<meepmeep>hey Solver, does apt-get use /proc/cpuinfo to see which deb files to retrieve? i.e. i386 vs amd64
22:56<Solver>I doubt it
22:56<Solver>infact I know it doesn't
22:57<arguapacha>gsimmons: thanks... I already have the driver working... or that's what I think. dmesg just says "wmaster0: Selected rate control algorithm 'simple'"
22:57<Solver>look in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:57<Solver>meepmeep: this is where you get packages from
22:57<meepmeep>i was looking in there but there's no info about architecture in there
22:58<Solver>hmm good point :)
22:58<chealer>kamaraju: because the projectb snapshot on merkel is outdated
22:59<arguapacha>gsimmons: and the firmware is there rt73.bin is listed under /lib/firmware. I can get the mac address from the card and even see it under iwconfig and ifconfig
22:59<Solver>it can't just use the arch of the chip as it is ok to install an i386 distro on an IA64 box
22:59<Solver>or AMD64 I should say
22:59<Solver>I'm running on such a box right now
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22:59<kamaraju>chealer: Who should I contact to get it up to date? or will it happen automatically after some time?
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23:00<meepmeep>hey, anyone know how apt-get knows which architecture to download?
23:01<Solver>meepmeep: I'm sure I should know the answer to this but it escapes me :)
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23:01<meepmeep>haha, i thought it was an easy answer to google but perhaps, my elite-google skills aren't that elite
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23:01<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:01<Solver>meepmeep: I'm about to try
23:01<arguapacha>meepmeep: I guess it looks in the uname feedback?
23:01<meepmeep>perhaps, you google-fu is superior to mine
23:02<Golfgeo>Have an apt-update problem: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
23:02<Solver>arguapacha: I wondered that but it'd be a bad way to do it
23:02<dondelelcaro>!dynamic mmap
23:02<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
23:02<chealer>kamaraju: it will happen automatically...once the automatic synchronisation is fixed. if you want more information, ask #debian-devel
23:02<Golfgeo>Thaks dondelelcaro
23:02<chealer>meepmeep: it asks dpkg
23:02<meepmeep>ah, apt-get is just a front-end to dpkg, right?
23:03<Solver>well yeah but apt is responsible to getting the packages
23:03<Solver>but how does dpkg know
23:03<Solver>or is it just hard wired in
23:03<jae>Hard wired, I'd say
23:03<kamaraju>chealer: Thanks. If it is going to be fixed automatically, I would not bother wasting devs time on #debian-devel.
23:04[~]Solver may bug aj over this :)
23:04<kamaraju>chealer: I'll wait couple more days. If it is not fixed by then, I will bug them on the mailing list!
23:04<jae>You did install a specific architecture originally, or didn't you?
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23:04<meepmeep>yeah, i originally installed amd64
23:05<meepmeep>but one of my sources doesn't have amd64 packages available
23:05<Solver>jae: it's certainly tied to the installed arch but how does it know :)
23:05<meepmeep>i'd like to download the i386 version instead
23:05<chealer>meepmeep: more or less (libapt itself isn't a front-end)
23:05<jae>It the tools'd look in /proc/cpuinfo... you would run into problems installing i386 (32-bit) on amd64
23:05<Solver>jae: but I did. I had a 32bit Ubuntu running on this amd64 box
23:05<dondelelcaro>the tools use dpkg-architecture
23:06<Solver>Ubuntu would be using the same system
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23:06<jae>Solver: that's exactly what I'm saying... "you *would*" (post-emphasis of course mine ;)
23:07<Solver>dondelelcaro: /me gies dondelelcaro a gold star for the correct answer :)
23:07<Solver>jae: :)
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23:07<jae>I'd look at the dpkg source and search for "arch" or "architecture" and then you'd see where it's being put
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23:08<Solver> The build architecture is always determined by an external call to
23:08<Solver> dpkg(1), and can not be set at the command line.
23:08<Solver>man dpkg-architecture
23:08<jae>The dpkg binary is built on a Debian box, and it simply (ignoring "cross"-compiling) keys itself on the architecture of the build system
23:09<Solver>jae: right, that's the answer
23:09<Solver>well there you go :)
23:09<arguapacha>I had troubles running 32bit (i386) software in a amd64 box. mainly because shared libraries caused problems... I changed to i386 installation even if my hardware is amd64
23:10<meepmeep>arguapacha, how did you change your system from amd64 to i386?
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23:10<Solver>I believe it is called reinstall :)
23:10<arguapacha>downloaded the netinstall CD
23:10<Solver>That's how i've done it :)
23:10<meepmeep>haha, i assumed you did it on-the-fly
23:10<meepmeep>without reinstalling
23:11<jae>You could, conceivably, "downgrade" (;)), but from what I found on i386->amd64 on the net, I'd probably not risk it
23:11<arguapacha>nono... that would be too risky... I don't even know if that can be done... I just deleted the root partition and left the /home partition untouched
23:12<jae>There's at least one guide on i386->amd64, for Debian, but... it really sounds pretty scare
23:12<Solver>I expect it would break in many and varied ways
23:12<meepmeep>i don't think i have that luxury since the entire filesystem (minus /boot) is encrypted
23:12<Solver>keep good backups and escrow your private key :)
23:12<meepmeep>i can't preserve the /home partition without losing the encryption keys if i reinstall
23:13<jae>More scary than libc5->libc6, which I did a "reinstall" for (I had to move to a new HD anyway, so I had a good excuse ;)
23:13<Solver>meepmeep: you know about key escrow?
23:13<meepmeep>Solver, nope
23:13<Solver>keep your key somewhere off the system - in a safe place
23:13<meepmeep>how do you backup your encryption keys?
23:13<Solver>a safe isn't bad
23:14<meepmeep>where are the encryption keys for the partitions kept on a debian system?
23:14<Solver>I never user encrypted filesystems - most of the world isn't ready for them :)
23:14<meepmeep>but my pr0n is quite sensitive, lol
23:15<meepmeep>my laptop is fully encrypted too
23:15<Solver>what method are you using to do the encryption?
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23:16<meepmeep>um, during the etch install process, there's an option to encrypt partitions
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23:16<meepmeep>i believe it uses dm-crypt and uses lvm
23:17<Solver>do you have backups?
23:17<arguapacha>offtopic question :P if I do "iwconfig wlan0 ap auto", and the activity led of the usb wireless card blinks, does that mean that the card is working properly?
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23:17<Solver>arguapacha: I'd say "probably" unless the driver has a problem
23:17<meepmeep>i use another system with mirrored drives (fully encrypted) to do backups
23:18<Solver>meepmeep: do you care about the data?
23:18<meepmeep>absolutely, on my laptop and server
23:18<Solver>then get offsite backups
23:18<Solver>lock them in a safe perhaps.
23:18<meepmeep>i'll have to figure out how to do encrypted backups
23:19<Solver>well if you backup an external usb drive you could use the same method you are using now
23:19<arguapacha>Solver: thanks... I will continue looking
23:19<Solver>but without the private key you're fscked
23:19<meepmeep>i guess my thought is, hard drives don't fail regularly. if one hard drive fails, i can replace it and rebuild the mirror
23:19<Solver>arguapacha: see if iwconfig is giving rational answers
23:19<Solver>meepmeep: but you're not counting all failure modes
23:19<Solver>meepmeep: in particular sysadmin error
23:20<Solver>the mirroring you mention - is it automatic?
23:20<Solver>is it delayed?
23:20<meepmeep>ah the error factor that lies between the keyboard and chair
23:20<meepmeep>yes, there's a RAID card
23:20<Solver>meepmeep: ok a single rm -rf will take out both copies for you then
23:20<meepmeep>yeah, you're right
23:20<Solver>the system will helpfully obey your commands
23:20<arguapacha>Solver: sure it is... wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"wlan-home"
23:20<arguapacha> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Invalid
23:20<arguapacha> RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2346 B
23:20<arguapacha> Encryption key: ...
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23:21<Solver>meepmeep: the only method with protects against all failure modes is an offsite backup
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23:21<arguapacha>lol... damn robots
23:21<Solver>if you encrypt the backups make sure you have that key stored seperately _and_ you've tested it
23:21<Solver>encryption doesn't give you a 2nd chance
23:21<meepmeep>yup, i hear you
23:21<meepmeep>i'll have to see where they keep the encryption keys
23:22<meepmeep>but no one knows how dpkg obtains the architecture info?
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23:22<Solver>and test it :)
23:22<Solver>meepmeep: we think it is keyed at build time
23:22<meepmeep>so dpkg does a test of a binary to determine which binaries to retrieve?
23:22<meepmeep>tests a binary to see what arch it was built for?
23:23<Solver>meepmeep: without looking in dpkg itself, it appears a value is stored in the binary itself
23:23<Solver>ie in dpkg itself
23:23<Solver>we'd need to look at the source to be sure but that is what the quick research showed
23:23<meepmeep>ah so if you install the i386 version of dpkg, it'll retrieve i386 binaries
23:23<Solver>seems that way
23:24<Solver>you're not thinking of changing dpkg are you? :)
23:24<Solver>I'd be very careful with mixing arch
23:24<Solver>meepmeep: if you need an i386 box why not run a virtual box?
23:24<arguapacha>ouch.... and in a encrypted fs... that would be nice experiment
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23:25<meepmeep>haha, i'm not willing to experiment with my porn
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23:25<meepmeep>i have some vintage porn, not seen in decades, haha
23:26<Solver>arguapacha: exactly. scary stuff
23:26<Solver>meepmeep: I highly recommend you make sure you have a ladder out of your encryption hole :)
23:26<arguapacha>the 1911 collection?
23:26<arguapacha>;) LOL
23:26<Solver>then play with stuff :)
23:26<Solver>arguapacha: knees showing? :)
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23:26<meepmeep>i have some ascii pr0n too, lol
23:27<arguapacha>that's right... better than amish pr0n!
23:28<meepmeep>i remember when i was just hitting my teens, bbs' had ascii porn
23:28<Solver>those were the days :)
23:28<meepmeep>back then, it was easier to just get playboy from a liquor store
23:28<chealer>guys, there are many other places to discuss this topic.
23:29<meepmeep>then i found penthouse and it was a lot more explicit
23:29<arguapacha>yes... definitively, you should first back up the filesystem ... can't you just burn the whole thing in 8GB dvds?
23:29<meepmeep>hmm, my data partition is 40% full at 260GB . . .
23:29<Solver>500Gb usb drives are cheap
23:29<meepmeep>it'll take a lot of 8 GB DVDs to store all that
23:30<Solver>cheap when we consider the cost of lost data
23:30<Solver>i recommend not encrypting the backups
23:30<Solver>lock it in a secure location
23:30<arguapacha>of course not! :P
23:30<Solver>trust me I've done DR
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23:30<Solver>you don't want to make it any harder than it already is
23:31<arguapacha>go buy or lend a 500GB disk and plug it in... if it is not usb, you can still open your machine and plug it in a sata port
23:31<meepmeep>yeah, i bought 2 500GB drives for $160 on ebay, including shipping
23:31<meepmeep>they're cheap now
23:31<Solver>sure are
23:32<Solver>for my family backups I have 5 x 500GB in rotation offsite
23:32<Solver>I periodically upgrade the backup drives
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23:32<arguapacha>then clean them, not using encryption and copy everything there... you can rest and let netinstall do the work for you
23:32<arguapacha>well... almost all the work
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23:35<arguapacha>otherwise... I wouldn't play with forcing packages if I could not accept to lose all data
23:35<Solver>sounds like a recipe for disaster
23:35<Solver>test on test boxes, production on production boxes
23:35<arguapacha>murphy's 1st law
23:35<Solver>thanks to virtualisation it is easy to run up a test box
23:36[~]Solver bakes them at work by the dozen :)
23:36<meepmeep>there's a software that only has i386 packages. it was a debate between building my own package or using i386 version of the package, which is available
23:36<meepmeep>i guess i'll have to build it
23:37<arguapacha>then the thing is even easier: download the source
23:37<meepmeep>yeah, laziness
23:37<arguapacha>if you want, and better for the rest of mortals, build your own package and put it in a web page to download :P
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23:38<meepmeep>but i'm really attached to my laziness
23:38<meepmeep>it's served me well over the years
23:38<Solver>it's a sysadmin mantra
23:39<meepmeep>i stripped this server down and removed all the development stuff like compilers, linkers, etc.
23:39<acu>I am trying to install ndiswraper for broadcom wirelless as described - at the last step ./ wifi-radar
23:39<acu>gksudo './' ./ ----- it challenges me for the password - I give the password but it tells me Failed to run ./ as user root. --- can anyone tell me what to do ?
23:39<arguapacha>sysadmins are not package managers :P
23:39<meepmeep>i'll have to go back and reinstall all the development stuff
23:39<Solver>arguapacha: :)
23:39<meepmeep>arguapacha, i concur
23:39<jae>The three virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris
23:40<arguapacha>and beer?
23:40<Solver>well I'm a sysadmin and my main vice is coffee
23:40<Solver>well that's the one I'm going to admit to anyway :)
23:40<jae>"I am so beer"? Hmm, never heard anyone say *that*. :)
23:40<Golfgeo>Got another apt problem, I have all the repositories (stable through experimental) and use the following lines is apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "Testing"; APT::Cache-Limit 25165824;
23:40<meepmeep>that's what you think. ask your co-workers and they may give you another answer, lol
23:41<Solver>meepmeep: :)
23:41<Golfgeo>Yet when I use apt-get dist upgrade, some packages are selected from unstable... whats wrong?
23:41[~]Solver is off to replicate some virtual boxes and then sleep
23:41<arguapacha>acu: why don't you just su, instead of sudo?
23:42<meepmeep>arguapacha, i believe debian doesn't set root password during install
23:42<meepmeep>i've had to 'sudo su -' to get to root
23:42<arguapacha>strange... I don't even have sudo in my installation :P
23:42<Solver>meepmeep: that's Ubuntu
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23:43<arguapacha>sudo: command not found
23:43<meepmeep>i don't recall setting up a root password for debian and my shadow file doesn't have a hash for root
23:43<meepmeep>at least not for 4.0 installer
23:44<chealer>Golfgeo: patience. do you have any package from unstable installed?
23:44<Solver>meepmeep: no, it must set it
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23:44<Solver>since sudo isn't installed by default
23:44<acu>arquapacha: thanks - Ok, I am going to look how to overcome it - the gksudo is embeded in the script - but I could see if I can change it for su
23:44<Solver>in Debian that is
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23:45<Golfgeo>chealer :-) I'm dead tierd... the package that is to be "upgraded" isn't from unstable...
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23:45<chealer>Golfgeo: which one is it?
23:45[~]Solver sets a root password even on Ubuntu
23:45<Solver>ok gone now :)
23:45<Golfgeo>vlc-nox and related onces
23:45<Golfgeo>nn Solver
23:45[~]Solver waves
23:46<chealer>Golfgeo: from what to what?
23:46<Golfgeo>chealer Never mind (for the moment) I need to focus on other stuff now (Though your help is welcomed)
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23:47<meepmeep>i'll have to test it; i believe the 4.0 installer gives you an option to not set a root password and use sudo but there's a good chance i'm wrong
23:47<arguapacha>acu, then execute the script as root, ... I guess it souldn't ask for password then, and if it does, then the should already be in root's session
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23:50<acu>OK, I checked and I have installed sudo - strangely if I run it as root I get the message to run the installer without root priviledges -
23:50<acu>OK, maybe I have to set up the sudo
23:50<arguapacha>ok guys... time to sleep... has been a nice and funny chat. I hope you can solve your issues with debian... and of course, thanks again for your help
23:51<meepmeep>haha, night
23:51<arguapacha>acu: mmm very strange... I am sorry I can't stay longer, but keep trying
23:51<arguapacha>^_^ ciao ciao
23:51<acu>many thanks
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23:55<Lotacus>can anyone point me to instructions to patch mplayer to work correctly with compiz fusion. Even setting to X11, it will play, however still very buggy
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23:59<Lotacus>I also get this constant message "gnome_screensaver_control{} interrupting video playback
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23:59<chealer>Lotacus: what's the bug?
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